Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]Secrets is a hostess bar with coyotee dancers. The girls - whether hostess or dancer - who wear green lanyards around their necks can be barfined. Red lanyards, worn by the service staff, mean "no go."

Otherwise, it fucntions like everywhere else - met the lady, talk with her and ask if she'd like to go with you. If she says "yes," you pay the bar fine and reach agreement with her on the compensation for her services.

Evil[/QUOTE]Thanks, things must have changed, no dancers when I was there.

[QUOTE=SirHumpsaLott]I popped in there earlier to dodge the rain, have a drink and check the place out for a possible future stay but it seemed to me that except for the ladies at the door, most of the dancers there were ladyboys.

To each their own but they really should let people know if this is the case, especially since the banner ads on this site don't give any indication (I was hoping to see chicks like the one one in the advert pic). They should at least ask a customer's preference at the door; I ended up leaving without drinking anything after being surrounded and sat on by three katooeys.

Again; I have nothing against them or those that like em', I just don't get the whole assumption by them that just any straight man looking for girls is just going to say eff it and accept and desire them as women. Maybe they figure nothing ventured, nothing gained?[/QUOTE]It is both girls and lady boys

[QUOTE=Must Stop]Thanks, things must have changed, no dancers when I was there.[/QUOTE]I went into Secrets about 4-weeks ago and they certainly had dancers. Poor layout if you sit at the bar though, too many blind spots.

[QUOTE=Booey] I met one girl who taught herself English by watching movies on TV that had Thai subtitles. Her English is quite good and she tries to study her English language books a little bit everyday. She even reads and writes English quite well.[/QUOTE]That proves once more how it is possible for everyone to change things around and be ahead of the much competition. I hope this girl will be rewarded for her tenacity, unlike all the lazy bodies sitting there doing nothing all day, hoping for a dick with a wallet to come in rescue every day.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy]That proves once more how it is possible for everyone to change things around and be ahead of the much competition. I hope this girl will be rewarded for her tenacity, unlike all the lazy bodies sitting there doing nothing all day, hoping for a dick with a wallet to come in rescue every day.[/QUOTE]Her feat is admirable but despite her self-motivation and English proficiency where would she market herself to get ahead of the "competition" and a better paying job over the girls you’re deriding? It’s not like there’s a viable economic market out there for uneducated Thai girls who can speak English. Laziness is not always the reason these uneducated girls turn pro. Given their overall situation, in many cases turning pro is optimal in their survival.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Her feat is admirable but despite her self-motivation and English proficiency where would she market herself to get ahead of the "competition" and a better paying job over the girls you’re deriding? It’s not like there’s a viable economic market out there for uneducated Thai girls who can speak English. Laziness is not always the reason these uneducated girls turn pro. Given their overall situation, in many cases turning pro is optimal in their survival.[/QUOTE]RM, I am perfectly aware of the job situation in Thailand, all I meant to say is that I whish she builds an advantage over the other sex workers while staying in her current profession, gain more loyal customers and possibly a sponsor in the future. Maybe I am partial to self-taught people being one myself.
BTW I am not deriding anybody in saying that, and I think everybody will agree that there is a great deal of laziness among TGs.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy]RM, I am perfectly aware of the job situation in Thailand, all I meant to say is that I whish she builds an advantage over the other sex workers while staying with the her current profession, get more loyals customers and possibly a sponsor in the future. BTW I am not deriding anybody in saying that, that there is a great deal of laziness amoing TGs, that I think everybody will agree.[/QUOTE]Your comment about [b]"hoping for a dick with a wallet to come in rescue every day" [/b] is derisive and upon reflection you may grasp why it was a cheap and unnecessary shot.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Your comment about [b]"hoping for a dick with a wallet to come in rescue every day" [/b] is derisive and upon reflection you may grasp why it was a cheap and unnecessary shot.[/QUOTE]Derisive for us the walking dicks perhaps ?

What I grasp easily is that you suffer of excessive mental stiffness, and feel the urge to defend who I did not ever attacked.

Needless to say, if you don't like me or my writing, that is what the ignore list is for (you are on mine already), but please spare us further quibbling over nothing.

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]

This little episode also illustrates some advice I got all the way back in 1979: if the girl suggests an absurd price, it is her way of rejecting a customer without causing him to lose face. Instead of saying, "You're so repulsive I can't bring myself to fuck you even for money," she says "3,000 baht" (or 4,000 or 5,000, whatever). That way, the customer rejects her and no face is lost.

For me, there's also a difference between settling the price in advance and negotiating the price. I never negotiate, but I do make sure she doesn't expect a silly price. If she does, I'll call chek bin. Should she respond by immediately lowering her price to a reasonable level, I might (MIGHT) take a chance on her. But I never try to bargain her down.

Evil[/QUOTE]Good advice I think even for *experienced* guys!

[QUOTE=New Old Guy]Derisive for us the walking dicks perhaps ?

What I grasp easily is that you suffer of excessive mental stiffness, and feel the urge to defend who I did not ever attacked.

Needless to say, if you don't like me or my writing, that is what the ignore list is for, but please spare us further quibbling over nothing.[/QUOTE]Heed your own advice and thanks for your swift, long distance diagnosis "doc". Love posters like you who when challenge and can’t advance their nonsensical points on the merits resort to garbage like this.

[QUOTE=Satyr9]I was under the impression that bar fines and lady drinks are de rigeur and unavoidable.

Popper1 writes: BFs and LDs are for Noobs, Suckers, and Tourists.

As an official noob and tourist who is trying mostly not to be a sucker in life, I would like to know how you avoid these things?[/QUOTE]You can avoid these things for instance if you favor encounters with freelancers or with girls working in the local brothels. By the way, it is "de rig[b]u[/b]eur" in French.

The question I have is who in the hell walks around Pattaya with a taser in their hand?

Agreed.

I have a Thai ladyfriend, yea I have taken her, and not taken her and just chilled in BKK eating outside with her. And she is quite noticeable because she is slim(no kids) and somewhat big breasts. She basically quotes guys she does not consider the least bit good looking 5000+, she figures well if he is very pom pooey, and going to pay that, she can be done in 15 minutes and go home for the night.

You can learn alot from the ladies, if you just talk to them one on one as a person, free Thai teacher. LOL

[quote]This little episode also illustrates some advice I got all the way back in 1979: if the girl suggests an absurd price, it is her way of rejecting a customer without causing him to lose face. Instead of saying, "You're so repulsive I can't bring myself to fuck you even for money, " she says "3, 000 baht" (or 4, 000 or 5, 000, whatever). That way, the customer rejects her and no face is lost.

For me, there's also a difference between settling the price in advance and negotiating the price. I never negotiate, but I do make sure she doesn't expect a silly price. If she does, I'll call chek bin. Should she respond by immediately lowering her price to a reasonable level, I might (MIGHT) take a chance on her. But I never try to bargain her down.

Evil[/QUOTE]

[blue]Greetings Everyone,

I recently cleaned up this thread by deleting a number of off-topic and otherwise worthless posts by [b]Masterplan[/b], as well as a number responses made by other forum members to these deleted posts.

This cleanup process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently deleted a few otherwise legitimate posts. If you find that your own report was also deleted, please don't take it personally.

In addition, [b]Masterplan[/b] has been erased and banned from the forum, and all IP addresses used by him have been recorded in my "Troublemaker's Database" for identification of future aliases.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

Great Job!!