Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3028747]I was damned impressed. She popped my 12+ year long Thermae girl BBBJCIM cherry! And this is hot on the heels of just a few months ago an above average cutie in Thermae agreeing in the place to BBFSCIP with me for 3,000, no, wait 4 seconds, 2,500 baht! My assessment of Thermae as a place for Real Sex and a successful BBBJCIM has improved by leaps and bounds over the past 12 months.[/QUOTE]Given the long string of grief posts ET has made about Thermae girls providing Real Sex services, this deserves an [b]attaboy[/b]. Hopefully the streak continues and we see many more such reports of joy.

Sharing a recent experience. A month ago I spotted a fresh face. Tall girl who quoted a very reasonable THB1500, so I took a chance without negotiating any specific services. Back in the room at Ruamchitt I was very pleased with the package. Although a larger frame, she had no fat, no baby, firm tits, tight bum and a nicely trimmed box. After showering, it was on to the bed and she started with very enthusiastic deep kissing which shifted to eager BBBJ. It wasn't quite deep throat, but it was a valiant effort. When it came to the main course, however, I was firmly palm blocked. No convincing could change the script, so it was on with the bag, but I asked if I could finish in her mouth. She nodded, so I pounded away, mercifully got to the climax point, pulled out, ripped off the bag as I moved up to her mouth and she clamped on and took the load in her mouth. Good girl. We exchanged LINE at her request.

Normally this would be where the relationship ends, but she pinged me again the following week with an urgent tone request to meet again. I sensed her need, so replied that we could meet up, but I would have to experience her lovely pussy naturally. She hemmed and hawed about safety, but eventually made a quote of THB5000, which I countered her to be "reasonable" at THB4000. Deal accepted. Session 2 featured all the enthusiastic appetizers of the first, but she couldn't wait to jump on top and cowgirled me like a girlfriend in heat. I love a girl who holds her end of a deal. Swiched to mish and after a nice bit of stroking I unloaded the nut with maximum penetration. What made it much more satisfying is that she didn't immediately want to jump up to go shower, but we just lied there and soft kissed as my dick whithered to soft stage. Romantic as it gets for me. The truly happy ending to this story is not that I got what I wanted. Rather, as we ran into each other again last week, she agreed to repeat at THB2000 with everything. So it showed me that it is not impossible to convert a limited service girl to a full service regular at a reasonable rate. Noted to self. Need to think of long term possibilities more often. Enjoy BKK, AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3030725]Given the long string of grief posts ET has made about Thermae girls providing Real Sex services, this deserves an [b]attaboy[/b]. Hopefully the streak continues and we see many more such reports of joy.

Sharing a recent experience. A month ago I spotted a fresh face. Tall girl who quoted a very reasonable THB1500, so I took a chance without negotiating any specific services. Back in the room at Ruamchitt I was very pleased with the package. Although a larger frame, she had no fat, no baby, firm tits, tight bum and a nicely trimmed box. After showering, it was on to the bed and she started with very enthusiastic deep kissing which shifted to eager BBBJ. It wasn't quite deep throat, but it was a valiant effort. When it came to the main course, however, I was firmly palm blocked. No convincing could change the script, so it was on with the bag, but I asked if I could finish in her mouth. She nodded, so I pounded away, mercifully got to the climax point, pulled out, ripped off the bag as I moved up to her mouth and she clamped on and took the load in her mouth. Good girl. We exchanged LINE at her request..[/QUOTE]Imagine a Real Sex / BBFSCIP session provided by a presumably above average looking girl met in Thermae within 12 months! One with you and one with me. And based on the description of your girl, it wasn't even the same girl!

We BBFSCIP preference punters are really on roll with Thermae girls.

Ok, in your case it wasn't a first session BBFSCIP. But at least yours made the call to initiate a 2nd session, which generally gives the BBFSCIP preferred punter an advantage in requesting a Real Sex agreement be made upfront. [B]Attaboy back at you, AR[/B]!

That has not yet happened for me with my recent BBBJCIM Thermae girl. She has not Lined me since that night and I have not Lined her either.

While, as you say, it is not impossible to convert a limited service girl to a full service or I would say a Real Sex regular at a reasonable rate, the vast majority of No To BBFSCIP girls I have repeated with even 3, 4, a half-dozen or more times have not eventually agreed to BBFSCIP with me. In my experience with the girls I take for a 1st session, if it doesn't happen in that 1st session or is not strongly communicated that it will happen in subsequent sessions, it doesn't happen in subsequent sessions.

As always, YMMV.

Sounds like the old Grand President. Lobby to the left as you enter. Second tower to the right with no reception.

[QUOTE=WhizzKid;3030578]Hi guys, I am returning to BK after a very, very long absence. I imagine things have changed a lot. Last time I stayed in some towers just off Sukhumvit. There were two towers / high rise blocks but only one had a reception. You could walk a short distance from them to the old Bier Keller, which I gather is no more. I cannot seem to find this accommdation online and cannot remember the actual name. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;3030799]Sounds like the old Grand President. Lobby to the left as you enter. Second tower to the right with no reception.[/QUOTE]The Grand Pres had 3 towers in total. The main tower with reception is now called the Pippa Hotel. Tower 2 I believe is now called the Aira Hotel. Tower 3, located across Soi 11, is now called Eleven Hotel. Any other hotel questions would be best asked in the Bangkok Hotel section.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;3028897]Being now also above 50, I have been successful as well with younger, prettier girls. They all stayed overnight without asking for more money (they must have liked the hotel rooms).

Great report![/QUOTE]Hi mate, I tried to PM you to ask for Tram's contact details but I couldn't find way to contact you, could you please help me, thanks bro.

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[QUOTE=AsianRain;3030096]Had a most enjoyable natural sex session with a freelance 21 yo freshie uni student yesterday evening. She said it was her first time doing P4 P. With her shy demeanor, braces, 40 kg frame, Acup tits and ultra tight box, if only she was wearing her black and white uniform she would have been the ideal girl I lust for while riding the MRT.

Anyway, once she came out of the shower, she casually said "Cash or QR", just like I hear when I am paying the bill at a restaurant. This is now the second P4 P girl in as many months that has indicated it is okay for QR payment. My experience with QR payments is that while the receiver will not see your bank account details, they will see your full name as part of the transfer. This to me is a no-go as I don't want any P4 P girl to have even my real first name (I always use a stage name for P4 P), so I just paid in cash. Question for those in the know, is my understanding of QR payment correct? Or is there a way to use QR payment in a way that my personal information is anonymous to the recipient? Enjoy BKK, AR.[/QUOTE]To "suggest" you met a university student on the MRT and leaving readers wondering, "Did he really? Is not fair. If anything tell us what your opening line to her was?

Without it was a Mystery story. Not even sure you met her on the MRT?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3030738]We BBFSCIP preference punters are really on roll with Thermae girls.[/QUOTE]I am encouraged, but it would take quite a bit more consistency and durability to up my star rating, especially for the services I consider important to me. Although I had relegated Thermae many years ago, I have recently reconsidered given the change in dynamic. Now that the Japanese clientele has receded (both in absolute numbers as well as purchasing power of the remainder) with the massive decline of the Japanese Yen, I have observed a significant vacuum into which Koreans, Chinese (mainland mostly), Arabs and even Indians and Africans have stepped in.

This is driven by social media and the changing dynamic of tourism. Take this example of a Chinese sex tourism influencer describe the "Shemei Coffee" scene. [URL]https://youtu.be/pPvlaBRLnsk?si=0opKwM_5N27MPXre&t=170[/URL].

I found the subtitled commentary interesting, enlightening and brutal. First, I concur the student / part-time freelancer image is a delusion. The reality is that a high majority of girls are full-time fixtures, so frequent visitors will see the same girls night after night. Second, the narrator makes a claim that some cliques of girls maintain LINE groups where the girls gossip and compare notes about the punters (which ones are tourists, etc). So as punters are using social media to identify better providers, the girls are using it to identify easier punters. Third, the narrator puts Thermae / Shemei as better cost performance than a go-go bar, but suggests an eye-popping budget of THB6000-10000 for a Thermae pickup! This is just one influencer with a small following (hope it stays that way), but I see many many similar channels from Asian punters.

So where does this leave the long nose? Well, I think whitey can just as easily play a part to fill the vacuum now that the clientele is gradually becoming a model UN. I have seen pretty much every type pulling girls, so preferences and prejudices have broadened. There is opportunity. But it is not like it was before, so it may require reframing ones mindset and approach to make the most of the new environment. Enjoy BKK, AR.

A couple of Rainbow 5 girls had the Surgery.

In my years of Observation I rarely see an uptick in interest because they are bigger.

Am I wrong.

Does it Matter? I mean in a big Way. Ex. A one Barfine a month girl goes to 5 a Month.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3030936]I am encouraged, but it would take quite a bit more consistency and durability to up my star rating, especially for the services I consider important to me. Although I had relegated Thermae many years ago, I have recently reconsidered given the change in dynamic. Now that the Japanese clientele has receded (both in absolute numbers as well as purchasing power of the remainder) with the massive decline of the Japanese Yen, I have observed a significant vacuum into which Koreans, Chinese (mainland mostly), Arabs and even Indians and Africans have stepped in.

This is driven by social media and the changing dynamic of tourism. Take this example of a Chinese sex tourism influencer describe the "Shemei Coffee" scene. [URL]https://youtu.be/pPvlaBRLnsk?si=0opKwM_5N27MPXre&t=170[/URL].

I found the subtitled commentary interesting, enlightening and brutal. First, I concur the student / part-time freelancer image is a delusion. The reality is that a high majority of girls are full-time fixtures, so frequent visitors will see the same girls night after night. Second, the narrator makes a claim that some cliques of girls maintain LINE groups where the girls gossip and compare notes about the punters (which ones are tourists, etc). So as punters are using social media to identify better providers, the girls are using it to identify easier punters.[/QUOTE]Could you maybe message me on here. I was wondering if we could hang out for a bit. I can buy you a drink at thermae.

[QUOTE=Wow2222;3031087]I'm a white guy who goes there every night when on vacation. Yes I notice the same girls night after night. I'd estimate that the majority of them are full time sex workers. A minority do it on the side. I'm a decent looking guy but I got rejected a lot in the past. My social skills have improved a bit this time and I find that I'm doing a bit better. It sucks getting rejected by the 1 or 2 girls I want most. And then some older obese Japanese guy walks away with her, but that's life. Got to man up son!

There was a really hot girl who rejected my last time, who I got this time. I paid 5000 in order to get her. She told me she she never goes with white guys due to size.

She was a really sweet woman, really good experience but the poor woman was in pain half the time. I regret pushing for it by paying extra. I ended the session early. I felt bad for her afterward.

Another thing,

I'm still trying to stop making the mistake of settling for "be-grade" girls partly due to a lack of options. That's why I need to find an alternative to thermae.

I want to meet girls who have something else going on in life besides full time sex work. Like the uni student you fucked recently. (BTW I checked that place out twice and unfortunately I didn't see them.

May I ask, what do you think are the best alternatives to thermae for meeting girls who do sex work on the side.

Like which places will have the highest percent of office workers, students etc that do sex work on the side.[/QUOTE]TF app is the best place to find part-timers.

If you want a good going over with a hot girl guaranteed, then go and get an outcall from one of the many MP shops, prices are more or less the the same as you'll spend in Thermae, but service will most likely be hotter.

[QUOTE=Wow2222;3031087]I'm a white guy who goes there every night when on vacation. Yes I notice the same girls night after night. I'd estimate that the majority of them are full time sex workers. A minority do it on the side. I'm a decent looking guy but I got rejected a lot in the past. My social skills have improved a bit this time and I find that I'm doing a bit better. It sucks getting rejected by the 1 or 2 girls I want most. And then some older obese Japanese guy walks away with her, but that's life. Got to man up son!

There was a really hot girl who rejected my last time, who I got this time. I paid 5000 in order to get her. She told me she she never goes with white guys due to size.

She was a really sweet woman, really good experience but the poor woman was in pain half the time. I regret pushing for it by paying extra. I ended the session early. I felt bad for her afterward.

Another thing,

I'm still trying to stop making the mistake of settling for "be-grade" girls partly due to a lack of options. That's why I need to find an alternative to thermae.[/QUOTE]Thermae. I'm in there 6 to 10 times a year and the stock rotates constantly.

Wow2222, I am very reluctant to buy the girl's story that your dick was too big. LOL. So how was the foreplay? Did you guys fool around in the shower together? Did she give you a good BBBJ? Did you go down on her to get her juices flowing? Th answer to these questions will tell the tale. It is far more likely that she just did not want to do you with any enthusiasm and that she did not want to turn down the overly generous offer. I could be wrong but doubt it.

In any case, Thermae is not my kind of place. I am a Go Go, nightclub, and soapy kind of punter. I think you will find more accommodating girls in the better Go Go's and nightclubs and you can test drive these girls to establish a connection and make sure the vibe between you is good. In the higher end and better soapys, one relies on the bordello's reputation which guarantees a certain minimum level of performance / satisfaction and from there depending on the girl and the vibe you can hit the jackpot with a little luck. I never fool around with amateurs. It is a waste of time unless you are living in Thailand, have a lot of time on your hands, and can speak Thai fluently.

[QUOTE=Wow2222;3031087]I'm a white guy who goes there every night when on vacation. Yes I notice the same girls night after night. I'd estimate that the majority of them are full time sex workers. A minority do it on the side. I'm a decent looking guy but I got rejected a lot in the past. My social skills have improved a bit this time and I find that I'm doing a bit better. It sucks getting rejected by the 1 or 2 girls I want most. And then some older obese Japanese guy walks away with her, but that's life. Got to man up son!

There was a really hot girl who rejected my last time, who I got this time. I paid 5000 in order to get her. She told me she she never goes with white guys due to size.

She was a really sweet woman, really good experience but the poor woman was in pain half the time. I regret pushing for it by paying extra. I ended the session early. I felt bad for her afterward.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wow2222;3031087]I'm a white guy who goes there every night when on vacation. Yes I notice the same girls night after night. I'd estimate that the majority of them are full time sex workers. A minority do it on the side. I'm a decent looking guy but I got rejected a lot in the past. My social skills have improved a bit this time and I find that I'm doing a bit better. It sucks getting rejected by the 1 or 2 girls I want most. And then some older obese Japanese guy walks away with her, but that's life. Got to man up son!

There was a really hot girl who rejected my last time, who I got this time. I paid 5000 in order to get her. She told me she she never goes with white guys due to size.
[/QUOTE]Hi, I take it you paid a "premium" to meet this lady? I personally would not pay more to meet a lady who in a sense discriminates against me. I would not reward that behavior, as there are other ladies to choose from.

However, if that was her standard rate, then sorry for misunderstanding the situation. I want to politely mention these are my personal thoughts and everyone is different. I also do appreciate you sharing this story.

[QUOTE=Wow2222;3031087]It sucks getting rejected by the 1 or 2 girls I want most.[/QUOTE]Yes, the reason why most whiteys struggle with Thermae is that they are not used to any rejection. In this situation, it will help to put the past aside and reframe to the present. Now many of the girls have choices, but it is not a foregone conclusion that precludes you from getting what you want from a provider you want.

[QUOTE]There was a really hot girl who rejected my last time, who I got this time. I paid 5000 in order to get her. She told me she she never goes with white guys due to size. She was a really sweet woman, really good experience but the poor woman was in pain half the time. I regret pushing for it by paying extra. I ended the session early. I felt bad for her afterward.[/QUOTE]Don't regret. Good on you for getting what you wanted. Learn to improve and optimize for success. Gentle suggestion. Having been in a tight Asian box or two over the years, I have a little bottle of silicone-based lubricant on hand. I recommend ID or Pjur brands. Girl will be a lot more comfortable than the guy who depends on the "spit and hit" method.

[QUOTE]May I ask, what do you think are the best alternatives to thermae for meeting girls who do sex work on the side.[/QUOTE]I think there are many guys looking for the same. Call them civvies, non-pros, etc, many prefer a girl who isn't a prostitute, but is willing to be a prostitute. IMHO, this is just a mental hangup and just adds unnecessary dimensions to the list of physical and service characteristics that should be primary concerns. As to the options, I see several good replies, most notable are the suggestions for Thai Friendly and massage parlors. There are dedicated threads on both of these options. Ever since the closure of Nana Disco and the Nipponification of Thermae, everybody has been looking for the easy pick up joint in lower Sukhimvit. Unfortunately all such brick and mortar freelance venues since have either failed or come up short. Good luck and enjoy BKK, AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3031324]"...Call them civvies, non-pros, etc, many prefer a girl who isn't a prostitute, but is willing to be a prostitute. ... Ever since the closure of Nana Disco and the Nipponification of Thermae, everybody has been looking for the easy pick up joint in lower Sukhimvit. Unfortunately all such brick and mortar freelance venues since have either failed or come up short. Good luck and enjoy BKK, AR.[/QUOTE]Just remember, there is a little bit of working girl in every lady and a little bit of lady in every working girl.

As for freelance venues since the original Nana Disco, anybody had the guts to check out the basement club at the Grace Hotel recently? "In its day", pickings were comparable to the Thermae at the time (30 years ago).

Sam.