Bangkok Reports

I currently don't participate in the hobby much, don't read ISG regularly and so am getting a bit our of touch with the BKK scene.
I have a couple of questions. They may have been answered here, but I could not find anything.
I'd appreciate your help.

1. I know that you can get HIV / STD test done at the Thai Red Cross Lab on Ratchadamri Road for little money and even anonymously.
I want to get tested with my TGF before seriously indulging in sinful activities with her when I come to BKK in January.
How long does it take before you get the results? How much does it cost?

2. I picked up a rumor, that the alley adjoining the Villa Market on soi11, with its many MPs, is going to be shut or torn down.
Is it true ind if so, when are the MPs shutting down?

3. Maybe 2 years back, someone wrote here, that he had had A+ service at Mitu / soi 33.
Does anyone know if this must have been an exception or is A+ regularly available there? Are any of the girls known to offer A+.
Don't tell my TGF I asked, she doesn't need to know everything!

Thanks in advance.

DS.

[QUOTE=DaddySan;2076678]I know that you can get HIV / STD test done at the Thai Red Cross Lab on Ratchadamri Road for little money and even anonymously. I want to get tested with my TGF before seriously indulging in sinful activities with her when I come to BKK in January.
How long does it take before you get the results? How much does it cost?[/QUOTE]For HIV and Syphillis test, it only takes 1 hour for the results (in addition to maybe 30-60 min waiting for the test itself). Other STD tests can take longer, especially gonnhorhea / chlamidya about 2-3 weeks. Cost of HIV test is something negligible, like 200 baht, others are fairly cheap too.

Note that with HIV, if she was just infected a few months ago, it might not show up positive on the test, but she might be highly infectious. I wouldn't have unprotected sex with a Bangkok working girl only based on a negative HIV test. There are also antibiotic-resistant strains of gonorrhea these days, so unless you trust the girl is clean (and if you do, why test) better use a condom.

So I had planned to visit Mitu massage but I decided to pass once I seen the line up. Instead I started out my day at wood bar. FYI, Google maps has it in the wrong spot. Through research I was able to find this out before going but it is a bit deceiving. It's on 7/1 right by chrome bar which I'm going to try out tomorrow. Didn't understand her name but her name on website was letter K. 20 years old, thin, pretty face and huge tits. Sort of mechanical as expected but it was nice to get that first one out of the way. BBBJ, CIM. She spit some onto paper towel but my load is too much. She had to swallow quite a good amount. The room upstairs was quite an experience. Just enough space for a lounged office chair and a sink. Fenced off top like a prison cell. Wtf is that about? Can't seem to understand the need for fenced off top.

Anyway, came back to hotel for some are&are by the pool. Making sure to save energy for the adventure tonight. It was finally time for dinner and soi cowboy. I stopped by El gaucho Argentine for a amazing filet, baked potatoe and a hoegarden. Wow! Good stuff!

So the real journey begins. My first stop was after school. I did a you-turn after seeing nothing of interest. Arrived around 8 pm so maybe I will check it out again later in the evening tomorrow or day before my flight. It was recommended by a fellow hobbyist. Went across the street to Suzy wongs. My interest peeked so I decided to have a Heineken. I bought mamasan a lady drink and she sent over the hottest lady in the place that wasn't dancing. Mamasan sat with us for 30 min or so. I watched the show which was cool to experience but the lesbian ladies were totally not into it. Honestly, I'd got just excited watching two bears fck in the woods. Which ain't much. Right after that the real ladies got back up on stage and lady beside me said she was going to dance. I found this to be perfect time to run for the exit.

At this point, I had intended to hit 2 or 3 others but was a bit disappointed. Lord girls outdid 95% of the girls at the first two stops. So I went to Crazy House to understand what all the ruckus is about. Step inside and squeezed into a seat. Got a beverage and enjoyed the show. Lots of lookers here. I had my eye on one and she had her eye on me. I was about to call over one of the ladies but then I saw some old guy looking up nonstop. Apparently I missed the reports where this place had a second floor or I forgot. So I wandered upstairs only to be met by a sexy 25 year old. She took me to a corner seat and used me as her own personal toy. It worked. She had me! And I was happy to be had. But then the sexy petite 20 year old girl from downstairs comes up with a Japanese guy and sits right next to us. Think to myself. I should of stayed with my first gut instinct. I screwed up. Both were my type. Younger and thin with pretty faces. But the one beside me was what my dreams were made of. So after having extra from the day priors budget I asked her to see if she wants to go with us to hotel. After a little help from one of the mamasan and the papasan. I was on my way home with two very sexy ladies.

I'm sorry fellas I don't have the numbers. I never got the one downstairs. Girl upstairs was either 160 or 170. I believe her name was ying but line I'd was much different. Never got the downstairs girls name. Walked into four points like I owned the place. They didn't even ask for ID. After reading reports on this situation I wasn't sure how the girls would act. Would it be one at a time or would it be a true pornstar experience. Things started off great in the Jacuzzi tub which is pretty big but wouldn't of been possible if they hadn't been petite. It was in the tub I realized the caked make-up. Here I thought some of you were too picky. I understand! Still haven't noticed the nose differences. Things moved into the bedroom. The lady I seen first took instructions well despite knowing hardly any english and hovered over so I could get her rocks off. The girl from upstairs started a BBBJ. After a shimmering orgasm by her they switched spots and condom went on. For some reason I was unable to do the same to girl number 2. So I hopped up and started taking turns on each from doggy position. The situation was just too much for me and I didn't last long. What a experience though! Crossed that off the list. The damage. 750 BF for each and 3 k for short time. I realize it should have been less but I got caught up in the moment. And honestly, I bet that Japanese guy wish he had pulled the trigger. He wasnt happy at all. Just didn't want to miss out over 2 k baht.

In ending, I've learned lots in two days. I learned lot before I came but sometimes you just got to taste it yourself. I've learned I'm not the young guy that I once was. I'm going to need to locate a reputable source for v's. Or I'm just going to take a chance on the hot take vs from street vendors. Hope I didn't ramble too much. Should probably of waited until I was sober in the am. But there ya go! Tomorrow I plan on checking out chrome bar, cupidy, maybe copa cabana, few bars in Nana and Patpong before taking off for Pattaya Monday.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2076686]For HIV and Syphillis test, it only takes 1 hour for the results (in addition to maybe 30-60 min waiting for the test itself). Other STD tests can take longer, especially gonnhorhea / chlamidya about 2-3 weeks. Cost of HIV test is something negligible, like 200 baht, others are fairly cheap too.

[/QUOTE]Let's say one finds out he is infected with an STD (e.g S, G. C). What to do next? Can one get quick and anonymous access to treatment (e. G. Shot, antibiotics, etc.) in BKK?. If not anonymous, will he be put on an state list banning him from return. ?

I say I'd rather find out if I am infected over there and get treated rather than over here in the West since in the west your infection will be for over on your medical records.

Thanks for any info.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2076626]Are there any bars in Nana without so called Coyotes? It is spreading and in Cowboy also. On Nana many Coyotes come from the agency and have higher Barfines.

To be a real Coyote they have to wear the right outfit, have a great body, and know how to dance the Coyote way, not the gogo way.

So many Nana Coyotes do not fully qualify. Too fat or don't know how to dance or outfit is a bit wrong.

I have BFed maybe only 3 Coyotes when the vibe was right.

In Billboard girl was extreme lovey dovey and a repeat girl. She left after picking up a BF quickly.

In Doll House the girl was raunchy, an OK fuck but no repeat.

In mercury the girl was a true top dancer best in club Coyote at the time and great fuck. I was repeating her from years earlier at Midnite.

However I don't BF Coyotes that much if BF is steep unless I really feel something special. I don't take those not available for sex..[/QUOTE]Are the gogos / bars in Nana still mixing in a lot of post OP ladyboys with the normal WGs. I am there next week and was inclined to just head to Cowboy.

Thanks for all the reports Syzygies, Natty Bumpo etc. Ignore my last post as I decided to RTFF for the last 20 pages.

To save reinventing the wheel, I am going to try the great performers mentioned Ying and Pat and will report back. I will tell her you guys sent me and will give her a good tip or 3.

NattyBumpo. I understand Bowie actually dumped all of the SRV work on that album except for one song. Think they kept his work on "China Girl" cause of.

Iggy's influence, story was that Bowie was such a cheapskate with SRV that the latter kind of walked out.

So after 3 weeks away up country, got back to BKK about 2 pm, checked into the hotel, quick shower, out onto Soi 7/1 for a BJ. Walked up once checking what was available before deciding to head back to Wood Bar, choice of four, 1 Ladyboy, decide to take Letter G 1000 b paid to the counter, very chatty and quite a funny girl, up stairs, gave me a good wash, dried my off, knelt in front of me, starts sniffing my dick and making hmm noises, then she says, "you know what I smell, money!" Made me laugh, sits me in the chair, looks at my dick again and says "Sawadee-Cock" and laughs out loud, started licking my balls and using her mouth and tongue expertly, I few minutes in and I'm getting good and hard and she then starts really deepthroating full on, excellent tongue work at the same time, so I'm holding her head and face fucking her as hard as I can, she doesn't protest or stop, going for a solid 10 min, I let her go on whilst scrambling my thoughts to hold on. She takes a break and focuses on licking and playing with my balls, I get her to pull her top down so I can play around with her tits, not much there didn't really add to the experience, so I get her back onto my cock, she does not stop deepthroating sucking the bejesus out of the me for 10 minutes, making moaning and choking noises all the time, finally I can't hold on and unload everything, she keeps me in deep until the tension leaves me, grabs a little towel and spits it there, shows me and laughs, I'm surprised there is a lot there and she never spilled a drop. She smiles and says "you want to go again?' I laugh and say that'll do for now. She cleans me up washes and dries me off, all the time chatting and laughing. Gave her 200 b tip and left very satisfied.

If you like deepthroating and an expert at BJ's this girl is in my top 3 of all time, highly recommend.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2076686]For HIV and Syphillis test, it only takes 1 hour for the results (in addition to maybe 30-60 min waiting for the test itself). Other STD tests can take longer, especially gonnhorhea / chlamidya about 2-3 weeks. Cost of HIV test is something negligible, like 200 baht, others are fairly cheap too.

Note that with HIV, if she was just infected a few months ago, it might not show up positive on the test, but she might be highly infectious. I wouldn't have unprotected sex with a Bangkok working girl only based on a negative HIV test. There are also antibiotic-resistant strains of gonorrhea these days, so unless you trust the girl is clean (and if you do, why test) better use a condom.[/QUOTE]These days HIV is supposed to be detectable within 2 weeks or so. Not months.

It never took me as long as 2 weeks to get results of Chlamydia / Gonor test. That seems to be exaggerated. I will check my last test results to see what was included same day. I did ask for everything. It is possible something was missed out. I was pretty sure I managed to get a Chlamydia test same day in a hospital at some point. Perhaps depends on the facilities available at the place tested. I know they said HSV test was negative last time for current infection, but they skipped the long term test to see if I ever had it in the past. Some day I would like to know if I ever had HSV type 2 out of curiosity. Probably had a common cold sore at some point in the past (HSV 1), but unsure exactly. A high percentage of people have HSV at some point, especially if they are mongers kissing too many girls.

[QUOTE=Tiradentes;2076842]Let's say one finds out he is infected with an STD (e.g S, G. C). What to do next? Can one get quick and anonymous access to treatment (e. G. Shot, antibiotics, etc.) in BKK?. If not anonymous, will he be put on an state list banning him from return. ?

I say I'd rather find out if I am infected over there and get treated rather than over here in the West since in the west your infection will be for over on your medical records.

Thanks for any info.[/QUOTE]Absolutely can get treated in Bangkok easy. Suppose was Chlamydia. You can just buy the Azithromycin in the Pharmacy. Similar for Gonor. However you better be sure what you have got first.

Only problem is you cannot choose which country you will be in at the time finding out have caught something. I imagine that guys who love barebacking all types of Thai girls, would catch one of those two moderately often, and would possible even have the medications on hand just waiting for the occasion. I have a packet of Azithromycin waiting (and some others), just in case, as example. I could find out I have something suspicious while not in Thailand, but still be able to guess treat it. Doctors love to guess too in some countries, and getting a test in some countries is a rigmarole. e.g. You don't want to go see a regular doctor in Germany. You need a specialist place, to get the proper tests done. Annoying for someone not used to the Germany medical system.

My buddy caught Gonor in his first week in Thailand, simply because he was happy to not use a condom with any type of girl. Sort of spoiled his time after that a bit. I am guessing some guys may even take medications prophylactically (treat it even before catching it). Plenty of abuses of antibiotics are possible here.

I have not caught anything for at least 15 years (as far as know) but I my not habitually BBing all the girls, other than BBBJ. I am a quite selective. LOL Obviously I don't want to risk the GF catching something from me.

[QUOTE=GasolineFire;2076929]So after 3 weeks away up country, got back to BKK about 2 pm, checked into the hotel, quick shower, out onto Soi 7/1 for a BJ. Walked up once checking what was available before deciding to head back to Wood Bar, choice of four, 1 Ladyboy, decide to take Letter G 1000 b paid to the counter...-snip- [/QUOTE]Do I misunderstand or are you reporting that Wood Bar on Sukhumvit Soi 7/1, formerly Dr. BJ's Salon, now employs a Ladyboy provider? If that is what you meant and it is true I suspect this will somewhat rock the Bangkok BJ Bar world and not in a good way, imo. Do you recall his name or number?

I don't recall any Bangkok BJ Bar daring to do serious damage to their reputation and therefore business by mixing Ladyboys in with the female providers.

Again, maybe I misunderstood what you meant.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2077120]Do I misunderstand or are you reporting that Wood Bar on Sukhumvit Soi 7/1, formerly Dr. BJ's Salon, now employs a Ladyboy provider? If that is what you meant and it is true I suspect this will somewhat rock the Bangkok BJ Bar world and not in a good way, imo. Do you recall his name or number?

I don't recall any Bangkok BJ Bar daring to do serious damage to their reputation and therefore business by mixing Ladyboys in with the female providers.

Again, maybe I misunderstood what you meant.[/QUOTE]Yes that's right unless I completely misheard her, the old farang who I have seen there a number of times, who explains the system, though not the last couple of times I have been there, was not there so it was explained to me by the Mamasan? There were 3 available in black and one in white, I'm 99% sure she said the one in white was a Ladyboy. Happy to be proven wrong. Letter G was easily the best looking IMHO, so I didn't really pay any other attention. So sorry didn't note name or number.

[QUOTE=GasolineFire;2077164]Yes that's right unless I completely misheard her, the old farang who I have seen there a number of times, who explains the system, though not the last couple of times I have been there, was not there so it was explained to me by the Mamasan? There were 3 available in black and one in white, I'm 99% sure she said the one in white was a Ladyboy. Happy to be proven wrong. Letter G was easily the best looking IMHO, so I didn't really pay any other attention. So sorry didn't note name or number.[/QUOTE]That would be big news, imo. Although, as long as it is made crystal clear by the mamasan and by any other clearly stated means that this or that particular provider is a man and not a natural born woman, I suppose it could be acceptable. For some. Otherwise, I can imagine the potentially violent backlash that could ensue would not be a pretty sight if Bruno from Beercancrusher, USA suddenly discovers the blowjob he just got in the BJ Bar his buddies had been recommending for a year was delivered by a man and not a woman! LOL. Maybe I have missed it, but I don't believe I have ever heard of this kind of crossover occurring in L0 lita's Bar, Kasalong Bar, Som's Haven, Lollipop1 (although the mamasan there is a Ladyboy), Magic Table or any other known BJ Bar in the land. Massage shops, yes, it is quite common to encounter a Ladyboy among the staff providers at massage shops. But in a BJ Bar? Never heard of it.

When superstar provider EE was still working in what was then known as Dr. BJ's Salon (now Wood Bar), a couple of friends of mine saw her sitting outside among the other girls and said they thought she was a Ladyboy. Well, she was tall and did appear to have a lot of work done on her body and lips. But a Ladyboy? No way as far as I was concerned and in my numerous very personal experiences with her. I remember saying at the time if it ever came out that the star provider that helped make that BJ Bar one of the best known and most popular in the world was actually a man and not a woman, that would be one of the great scandals in Bangkok BJ Bar / P4P history. So, if it is true about Wood Bar now employing Ladyboys as providers and not merely as managers, bartenders or whatever, this new turn of events would be very interesting indeed.

[QUOTE=DaddySan;2076678] 2. I picked up a rumor, that the alley adjoining the Villa Market on soi11, with its many MPs, is going to be shut or torn down.
Is it true ind if so, when are the MPs shutting down?

Thanks in advance.

DS.[/QUOTE]I got that info a week or so ago directly from a personal friend and the owner of one of those (happy ending) massage shops located inside the arcade next to the entrance of Villa Market. He said the Ambassador folks sent out the notice that they were not renewing any leases for those locations by the end of this year 2017, "ALL" shops would be shut down. I did not hear that the shop store fronts would be torn down though. AFAIK, that means all the shops inside the Villa Market arcade and along the back alley between Soi 11 and Soi 13. I have not yet heard anything about if or where some of those shops might relocate.

Went to Tulip. Address show on their web page (Soi Sukhumvit 55/1057/, Sukhumvit 33 Soi 1) was wrong. I cannot find it there and called, they said should be at Sukhumvit 38. BTS Tongloi station instead of Phrom Phong station). I was there last night. Only OPOR is fuck-able (she has a pretty face, do nice anal fuck, GFE, a little fat). All others are too old to fuck or too fat.

The after hour club. Climax Club on Sukhumvit soi 11 was closed.

Nataree was closed at Huay Kwang district.

MRT subway no longer run to Huay Kwang district starting today.

People said according to law all gogo bars close at 2:00 am. It seems the Lollipop at the entrance of the nana plaza was closed much later than other gogo bars in the area.

Is any BTS station near by the Snow White? The girls there do anal? Who is a good one to recommendable?

Any good place near the nana station to do quick HIV and other STD tests after reading recent discussions on the topics? I was told the soap girls are cleaner than gogo bar girls and street walkers, because they are forced to have monthly HIV test, correct?

[QUOTE=AllForBb;2077243]Went to Tulip. Address show on their web page (Soi Sukhumvit 55/1057/, Sukhumvit 33 Soi 1) was wrong. *snip*
Is any BTS station near by the Snow White? The girls there do anal? Who is a good one to recommendable? ?[/QUOTE]Good catch on the wrong address, but there is not a website for Tulip (to my knowledge). The error is Google's, showing soi 33. Tulip is under the Thonglor BTS and the sign is pretty obvious. The only "related image" on the Google hit actually related to Tulip is the old postcard from oh-so-long-ago. The rest are random massage pics and florist shop hits.

Snow white is maybe a 2 minute walk from Phrompong BTS, on Sukh soi 24. There is lots of info about where it's located and who does what on the internet. TTG.

[QUOTE=AllForBb;2077243]Went to Tulip. Address show on their web page (Soi Sukhumvit 55/1057/, Sukhumvit 33 Soi 1) was wrong. I cannot find it there and called, they said should be at Sukhumvit 38. BTS Tongloi station instead of Phrom Phong station). I was there last night. Only OPOR is fuck-able (she has a pretty face, do nice anal fuck, GFE, a little fat). All others are too old to fuck or too fat.

Nataree was closed at Huay Kwang district.

MRT subway no longer run to Huay Kwang district starting today.

People said according to law all gogo bars close at 2:00 am. It seems the Lollipop at the entrance of the nana plaza was closed much later than other gogo bars in the area.

Is any BTS station near by the Snow White? The girls there do anal? Who is a good one to recommendable?

Any good place near the nana station to do quick HIV and other STD tests after reading recent discussions on the topics? I was told the soap girls are cleaner than gogo bar girls and street walkers, because they are forced to have monthly HIV test, correct?[/QUOTE]You got have a smart phone with internet data plan. Then you know everything because it can tell you.

Nataree has been closed a very long time. This is old news.

There is no news I can find about MRT Huay Khwang. Search by.
สถานีรถไฟฟ้า MRT ห้วยขวาง
gives nothing. Seems very unlikely it can close for long. Perhaps was very short closure for recent pipe bomb scare in the vicinity.

Yes some bars do not close on time at 2 AM.

Tulip is marked on Google Maps correctly. I learned 25 years ago that Thai addresses can be extremely misleading or useless. Don't bother with them. See where it is on Google Maps and hope that the place is important enough that someone put the marker in the right place. Places for Farang are usually pretty good. Minor places marked by Thais, not reliable at all.

You can see yourself on Google Maps that SW is near to BTS Phrom Phong, quite walkable. 3 minutes assuming choose the Soi 24 exit? So silly question. Plenty of Snow White reports on the forum.

The recommended place for STD tests at a good price is in Ratchadamri. Do a web search just like I will have to do, since I forget the name of it. OK Something about "Red Cross". Plenty of good alternatives. Check web sites to see what tests they do, and what is the cost. I got tests at certain hospitals before. They can give fast results, however maybe expensive.

Don't be a Dinosaur!

First off, please excuse my previous reports. Purchased a new phone before I went on holiday and its totally changing lots of words.

Took it easy today. Think I ate some bad food or something. Went to Patpong and checked out King's castle 1 & 2, Badabing, and the strip.

I went to Kings castle 2 first I believe. The one on the left? Had lots of talent about 8 pm. No customers. I somehow got the worse seat in the house right about the bass speaker. Had two ladies that had my interest but I pulled myself away thinking I come back. Not like a customer was going to steal them away.

2nd stop was bada bing. Badabing was pretty slim pickings. 8-10 ladies. Maybe 2 ladies even a possibility. But none were really dancing. Just talking to each other on stage. Had 3 people in there. It was about 930 pm. Had one beer and left. Have no intentions on going back there. Very boring.

I did walk past kings corner 2 and take s peek. Wow! If a guy didn't know any better he could really be in for a surprise there. Must admit.

On over to the strip I peeked inside. I chose not to stay partially due to wanting to check out the other kings castle but kept having one of the ladies from night before calling / texting me on line. I would return for a beverage to further investigate. It by no means was a party like my next stop but could of been interesting.

Kings Castle 1? One on the right. Wowzers. Place was packed and the ladies were getting it. Hands down my favorite gogo bar of the trip. 40 or so sexy young ladies. 95% of them I'd take back. Best dancer in the club. Min 20. Very petite, natural tits, nice tight little ass, beautiful face with braces, very innocent. I signaled I had interest in her and she came sat beside after her dance. Bought her couple LD. She went back up on stage for dance. I noticed a older guy pointing to her talking to waitress. I let mamasan know I wanted LT right away. Meanwhile, dancers I had not seen sit on bar right down the way. Both 18-19 sexy as hell. Damn not again. Couldn't do 2 again. Maybe. I did get some real confidence boosters. But no just too much. Focus! So I tried negotiating LT with min. Mamasan quoted me a crazy price (12500) and then when it was reasonable to me (8500). She said min had school next day. So I settled with ST for 5 k including BF. I know what some of your response would be to this price. But to the guys who pay a little more. Was this out of line?

So once back at the hotel we showered and she was a bit shy. What I get for going with younger ones huh? No cunninglous. Barely a BBBJ. But I did force the issue and got another partial. LOL. I'd say she was dick scared like some of you state. But man I'd do it again! Body 10 for my taste. A tit man would probably rate it down to a 8. Personality 8. Face 8. In bed experience 6. Would I repeat. Yes! Sexy as F!

So it was at this point I became thankful for the poster who recommended flexibility on my holiday. Really considering cutting Pattaya short and coming back for Kings castle for those other 2 girls and maybe a LT with min on weekend. Never even made it to Nana plaza. I guess I will have to experience Pattaya first before making that decision. On my way as I write this. Arrive at LK Empress in 30 min. I got a 3 day booking at LK. Then looking at booking Siam Siam for a day or two to get a good fill of soapies and soi 6. Then probably back to BKK for more kings castle.

After 3 days of ST experiences I can't help but yearn for some LT companionship. Hoping for more or a GFE in Pattaya. Back in the states a quick screw with a local and sending her on her way never bothered me a bit. But couldn't do ST forever here. Prior to coming I couldn't understand posters who asked about multiple days or a week. But now I could see a value in that. Wouldn't mind a sexy young fucking machine for a few days in Pattaya. Go do some things with. My online dates didn't really work out. But anyway that's my takeaway from a newbie perspective so far. I haven't been a ambitious as I had planned so haven't found much new information. Hope my reports help some out. Now on to Pattaya! With Kings Castle heavy on my mind. Mmm mmm mmm.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2076686]For HIV and Syphillis test, it only takes 1 hour for the results (in addition to maybe 30-60 min waiting for the test itself). Other STD tests can take longer, especially gonnhorhea / chlamidya about 2-3 weeks. Cost of HIV test is something negligible, like 200 baht, others are fairly cheap too.

Note that with HIV, if she was just infected a few months ago, it might not show up positive on the test, but she might be highly infectious. I wouldn't have unprotected sex with a Bangkok working girl only based on a negative HIV test. There are also antibiotic-resistant strains of gonorrhea these days, so unless you trust the girl is clean (and if you do, why test) better use a condom.[/QUOTE]Even if it is hard to believe: my TGF is chaste to the exterme, almost a nun, but a very naughty nun when it matters. It is I who has been promiscuous. So after a year of separation I want both of us to get tested, just for our mutual peace of mind. And yes, I know that a HIV infection won't show up in a test for 3 months.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2077192]I got that info a week or so ago directly from a personal friend and the owner of one of those (happy ending) massage shops located inside the arcade next to the entrance of Villa Market. He said the Ambassador folks sent out the notice that they were not renewing any leases for those locations by the end of this year 2017, "ALL" shops would be shut down. I did not hear that the shop store fronts would be torn down though. AFAIK, that means all the shops inside the Villa Market arcade and along the back alley between Soi 11 and Soi 13. I have not yet heard anything about if or where some of those shops might relocate.[/QUOTE]Thank you ET. This is the precise and concise info to a specific question which gets so rarely on ISG.

[QUOTE=DaddySan;2076678]-----snip-----

3. Maybe 2 years back, someone wrote here, that he had had A+ service at Mitu / soi 33.
Does anyone know if this must have been an exception or is A+ regularly available there? Are any of the girls known to offer A+.
Don't tell my TGF I asked, she doesn't need to know everything!

Thanks in advance.

DS.[/QUOTE]Any takers on my last question?

[QUOTE=DaddySan;2077312]Even if it is hard to believe: my TGF is chaste to the exterme, almost a nun, but a very naughty nun when it matters. It is I who has been promiscuous. So after a year of separation I want both of us to get tested, just for our mutual peace of mind. And yes, I know that a HIV infection won't show up in a test for 3 months.[/QUOTE]Nah easy to believe. It is well known that not all Thai girls fuck around. Only 80% LOL. Actually I have no clue what percentage are horny, and what percentage do something about it. Me and my GF would be in the same boat. I am very definitely the wayward one of the couple. She is a good girl, a little too good. She can be passionate when in the right mood though. Leg openers and DATY can work wonders, and turn her from prim and proper (almost) into a wild cat on the bed.

Can be detected as early as 2 weeks I previously read, but not guaranteed. Another site says up to 3 months but 4 to 6 weeks covers most people with the particular test described, enough time to detect the antibodies. So I think 3 months is a very pessimistic one for a quite low percentage of cases.

3 months seems quite useless to me. You get tested, and then she says, okay You can now abstain from all sex for 3 months while she never lets you out of her sight, and get re-tested. LOL Haha. I am just joshing.

I think that if someone gets tested now, and is negative, you need to take for granted that statistically, there is a very low chance you picked up HIV in last few weeks, and still cannot be detected, unless you are in a very high risk group such as a dirty needle user. There is no absolute guarantee. The 3 months bit is not very relevant, unless someone jabbed you with a hypodermic and you want to know when you can breathe the sigh of relief. I. e. Testing based on a specific event of extreme risk behaviour. Not many of us ever got ass fucked, BB or not, I will bet.

This article looked good:
[url]http://www.catie.ca/en/pif/fall-2010/detecting-hiv-earlier-advances-hiv-testing[/url]

I just read that antigen and antibody tests for HIV are very quick but far from a clean bill of health conclusive.

PCR and NAAT tests seem to take longer up to 10 days to get the result, but can detect HIV within 2 weeks of exposure or less. Not 3 months.

So seems like for those wanting a clean bill of health, forget the antigen / antibody test where a negative means so little. This test is more designed for someone who got HIV recently to find out quick and start treatments prophylaxis etc. However the negative result from these means not so much.

So good that the Red Cross Clinic is doing the follow up NAAT test to give a more definite result, to make the worried person confident in the Negative.

Obviously I am no expert on the topic. Just interested in the research. I have a girl who wants to see my clean bill of health Guarantee. So I will be getting either the PCR or NAAT test. My Gik girl is not dumb, and knows guys tell lots of lies about condom use, condom accidents, breaks, slippages, etc. so she wants all possible evidence to be sure I am exceedingly low risk to her. I actually tell her the truth about other girls done but she is still sceptical about whether it is 100% truth. LOL

Seems that the Red Cross Anonymous clinic not only has a good price, but the tests are best practice comprehensive for HIV. Including fast Duo test initially, followed up by NAAT with that result later for surety. So obviously worth the trip to there. These practices eliminate the former 3 months for detection.

I really have not ever chased women in BKK for part of our hobby and indeed have not really stayed here anytime in the last 15 years or so. I am actually in many ways disappointed by the "globalization" of the city and at the same time kind of pleased. Much of yesterday I assumed I was in the rough parts of Lebanon or Egypt or having a flashback from my time living in Japan (height of the economic bubble).

I RTFF for the last 20 pages or so before I got here. Formed a plan, SMEAC. Walked out of the Westin and straight to Cowboy and my little brain promptly forgot everything I had planned. Definitely an ex military type.

1. I tried Baccaro just to see if it reminded me of the hostess / * bars in Tokyo. Meh it is full of low-mid level JAP guys and some really hot ladies but I am sure one quoted me a 3000 BAHT bar fine. Feck, last time I paid for puxxy in BKK it was quoted 3000 for a week.

2. Anyway, I was sober as a judge and headed to the very nice Sharks where I met several A+ types but seeing I was drinking (against doctors orders) I promptly forgot I was meant to be looking for PAT. I had 2 ladies sit with me and they were a lot of fun, groped the little fella and played with me a bit. I ran up a bit of a bill as they were drinking 2 for every one of mine, but, I do like the outfits they wear in there. I also like to feel what a lady's touch is like before buying. Ended up taking one of the ladies for the night. I negotiated a deal which kind of confused her. I said 500 Baht per pop and 2000 Bht LT plus tip or I would pay her 4000 Baht plus drinks, dinner, breakfast, lunch and a tip. I told her if she didn't want to do that deal on a Sunday night I would just go to her friend or another girl there. She went for the latter deal which I said I would pay in increments based on performance. Paid the BF and took off around the corner to the Westin. This was around 10 pm Sun night and by 1 am I think she realised she should have taken deal 1. I got off quite a few pops in the 1st hour as she blew me like a PSE rock goddess. I came the 1st time quicker than you can say, "Starbucks sucks". She actually laughed a little until I got to the DATY and 2nd BBBJ. I had trouble getting hard and so we ended up trying semi-erect sex. She is a tiny thing, a real spinner but with a bit of meat on top. She was starting to complain that my meager 6" was too much for her (we know where this is headed). I took her to the bathroom and got in the shower and had her jerk me off. I get better orgasms that way. Now she says she has to go check her phone. So I pop 2nd and 3rd time in the shower within 20 minutes of being in there, she gets out and checks her phone, towels off and I get out and head to the bed. I tell her we can 69 and then if she likes I will pay her out 2000 and she can leave back to her friends.

Anyway, I told her I always had my best O on the 3rd pop so she could do me orally for the 4th and we could call the deal short and she could go with 2000 Baht. Then she tells me she gets more than that ST and this has been LT. I reminded her of the deal which had been set in stone (well stone being on my text MSG) so she decided to stay as agreed. I told her I like her very much and am a nice person and that maybe she can chaperone me around for the next 2 days at the rate of 5000 Bht plus extras per day but I was told she had to work. Emphasis on had to. Meh.

We slept and around 9 am got up and had straight mish and then her on top and another shower for a total of 5 pops in the 12 hours or so and then I took her to the really nice Argentinian steak place for dinner that night. Winner, she lit up like a pinball machine, banged me really nicely and DATY, 69 etc and she said I should come back with her to Sharks and take her out again.

Face looks 92/100.

Body 87/100.

Attitude in bar 100/100.

Attitude at hotel 80/100.

Performance Oral 85/100.

Sex 55/100.

Temperament 85/100.

Overall. Once she realised I was not going to screw her (financially) and we had some trust she became like a GFE. Before that, in the bar she was 100/100 nice, when we got to the shower part and pops 2 and 3 I could tell she was a bit peeved. After the sex stopped she was much more relaxed. She has been doing this 18 months or so if I believe what she said. Very nice lady. She said many of the Japanese and some white guys treat them terribly so she was a bit stressed initially.

Total damage in cash for BF, 22 hours or so of her time and her extra fees and some small presents around 7 k (restaurant was put on my co credit card so not counted).

I wrote a long report and DOHHHHHH the effing forum ate it.

Notes.

1. Tried Nana and did the ladyboy walk of shame, got felt up really good by one SHIM, told him that was a sexual assault and if I did the same I would be in some strife!

2. Had a drink or 3 at Dragons Head.

3. Had a drink and BJ relief at Kangaroo Bar? Name, well worth a drink and suck once in your life.

4. Went to the old Superstar bar, only place I really recall as many gun runners and drug dealers met there in the 80's.

5. Bunnies Bar and the smaller bar next door are fun so am heading there tonight in Nana.

6. Got one university lass from Thermae, a real looker but ditched her right away at my hotel as she tried to change the deal. Went back right away (11 pm or so) and picked up a late 30 something local for 1200 Baht plus tip for LT and got blown like a rock star. She is a pharmacy worker by day, FL part time at night.

More to follow. Having fun and keeping the alcohol bill relatively low!

There are indeed many post OP lady boys in Nana, some quite stunning and 2 or 3 I could not tell the difference outside of the plastic boobs, until the manager or other local told me.

"Be careful out there".

I have been in Sharks about 4 times recently, so am getting pretty used to it. It is definitely more boring than Crazy House, same could be said of most bars. However Sharks has a reasonable level of customers even on a Monday. Not a dead bar.

The gogo girls are generally soso. Quite a few average looks and average faces, not too ugly like in some bars. Not many good sets of tits on show with the see through tops. Some girls have small saggy tits, and others have enhanced. So maybe better if you are a silicone fan, or prefer girls not as slim as what I go for. Relatively plain hairstyles works for me (I don't like Bacarra hair). Quite a few broadish and flattened Issan noses on the gogo and Coyote girls. Not quite my spec. Relatively fewer nose jobs than some bars.

I think less picky guys will think the girls are a pretty high standard. Certainly above plenty of other bars.

Most of the really hot looking girls are in the Coyote section. The problem is the tits are extremely covered by multi-layer push up bras, so have no clue how much tit the girl has and how saggy it will be when not pushed up. So probably 3 or 4 cute Coyotes, but I would love to see the tits properly before taking further interest. Anyhow the BF is high for Coyotes, but they may well take 2. 5 K for the ST, I did not really persue it.

So I don't really spot even one pair of tits with shape perfection in Sharks. Maybe some girl has them, but which one? This is why I like Crazy House. Get to see properly some girls with lovely tits, plenty of sleek model bodies naked. If girl has no tits, at least I know that in advance. At least I can filter out extreme sag bags and hard coconut shells.

So in Sharks I have my well know semi-voluptuous girl kissy Pat with enhanced double Dees, but so soft the inflation bags cannot be detected by touch. Just the size and weight gives away the enhancements. The other girls are not tempting me so far. Easier to take the sure thing girl. Pat was sitting with a customer so had to wait patiently. He was entertaining more than one girl.

All these bars ought to have a private booth where a Coyote girl could get the gear off and give you a nude or G-string only lap dance for some reasonable fee, in order to decide better if she is worth BFing. In order to see what would be buying. You could get the 2 or 3 most promising girls to all get nude and then make a choice. Maybe groping Coyote girl tits is a possibility, despite the layers of armour. Or maybe I can bribe girls to take the top off, I don't know exactly.

Crazy is so much easier where girls are nude, or if they are not nude, you just massage their tits and pull up the skirt to see the lower areas properly (no knickers). Plenty of groping goes on. Girls grind their pussies against you.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2077263]First off, please excuse my previous reports. Purchased a new phone before I went on holiday and its totally changing lots of words.

Took it easy today. Think I ate some bad food or something. Went to Patpong and checked out King's castle 1 & 2, Badabing, and the strip.

I went to Kings castle 2 first I believe. The one on the left? Had lots of talent about 8 pm. No customers. I somehow got the worse seat in the house right about the bass speaker. Had two ladies that had my interest but I pulled myself away thinking I come back. Not like a customer was going to steal them away.

2nd stop was bada bing. Badabing was pretty slim pickings. 8-10 ladies. Maybe 2 ladies even a possibility. But none were really dancing. Just talking to each other on stage. Had 3 people in there. It was about 930 pm. Had one beer and left. Have no intentions on going back there. Very boring.

I did walk past kings corner 2 and take s peek. Wow! If a guy didn't know any better he could really be in for a surprise there. Must admit.

On over to the strip I peeked inside. I chose not to stay partially due to wanting to check out the other kings castle but kept having one of the ladies from night before calling / texting me on line. I would return for a beverage to further investigate. It by no means was a party like my next stop but could of been interesting.

Kings Castle 1? One on the right. Wowzers. Place was packed and the ladies were getting it. Hands down my favorite gogo bar of the trip..[/QUOTE]Man,

That's serious coin at KC1, especially for a new girl? I haven't been there for a good year or so but I have never paid anything like that and I don't budge over 3 k for ST and 5 k for LT, plus a couple of hundred tip / taxi. I shan't be heading back soon if that's what the are quoting, YMMV I guess.

So my day back after being away, already got my BJ in the arvo from Letter G at Wood Bar, sent a Line message to Aom No 3 at Crazy House I was back and hoping to meet up that night, alas no luck, never mind other opportunities abound.

Headed to NP to meet up with mate for a few, watched the girls roll in as the sun set enjoying a few at Tiki Bar. Headed up to Spankys to see if one of my girls was working, not in but we enjoyed the show for a couple of hours, not as much as the guy a few seats along who already had two bring ins, splashing his cash around far too easily especially on the Lao girl who does the pole work and shower show, she's fit and with big fakes, him and his girls must of spent 20 k on tipping her alone in the couple of hours I was there. My mate had to bail about 10.30 so I headed to Cowboy and CH to see if Aom was working, nope, headed upstairs just in time to see the old bird do her balloon trick, not my thing, finished my beer and headed downstairs, got a seat straight away stage front. Quantity was a bit low as I guess many had already been BF, quality was still pretty good. Started eyeing up one blonde, one brunette who both quickly noticed and moved in my direction, waving there asses just above my nose, never get sick of that sight, blonde had fakes but nicely done and not too big, When the blonde finished her dancing came down and straight over sitting on my lap, rubbing her ass all over me, making sure my hands were all over her tits, number 40, name was Nuce, good English, the brunette continued to hover over my face, so the two of us were grabbing her pussy and smacking her ass, she stopped dancing and came down and joined us, not sure No. But her name I think was Niki, they seemed to work really well together and thought cool I will take them both, but Niki was starting to show signs of being really drunk, so pulled the pin on that.

Nuce was hot and keen, so decided to take her ST paid BF of 700 b, headed to the ST hotel just outside Cowboy Soi 21 end. Quick shower and straight to DATY, gave her the best I had, she was squealing and being a little too much into it, I prefer the more natural noise than the PSE ones, Had a rest and a chat for 5 minutes, she found out I knew quite a few of the girls there and we chatted about them and showed each other photos, seem to relax her and a quick BBBJ later, condom was on and she was way more natural but still showing her enjoyment. Fucked her in miss, cowgirl, doggy before needing to get some breath back, got into 69 and ate her pussy and ass for about 10 minutes, let me put a finger in her ass but wouldn't do anal, which was a shame, but maybe next time, got her back into doggy and smashed away until I unloaded, lay there chatting for another 10 minutes, 80000 b for her tits but certainly got a very decent job done, swapped Line ID, took a few photos, quick shower then out, 3000 b for the service and I gave her 200 b for tip / taxi.

I was doing RTTF of reports of past many months. I am from India and we four people are travelling to Bangkok in Oct. In one report it was written that Indians are not allowed at Crazy House and normally only whites and other Asians like Japs are allowed in. Can anyone update on that piece of information.

Are there nude dancers in Dolls House which welcome Indians? . Do high end soapies like Lords, Poseidon show racial discrimination? We are not budget travellers but high spending group.

Anybody with knowledge of above matters, please report in forum or pm me.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2075881]Just go to Sukhumvit Soi 8 , enter the second alley on your right side, you will find the BJ bar named LO. LI. TAS. Pick a girl (they are usually staying outside) , go upstairs with her and she will take care of you. I can suggest you to ask for the girl named Ma. You will pay 850 Baht when you come down, you may give her a tip if she was very good, or you may not give anything at all, it's up to you. If you don't find a girl to your liking, just continue in that small alley and turn on your left, you will find another place that looks like a bar, with girls wearing a uniform and sitting outside. That place is named Kasalong and it follows the same routine, price might be a little bit different. You can be relax when going in these places, you're not going to get conned.[/QUOTE]I love both of those places. Going back in October, can't wait to visit a few times then.

A day time BJ at either of those places, on top of nighttime running around town can wear you out after 10 days or so, but I'm ready!

I've never been to either of them at night, is the talent better then?

[QUOTE=StudFarm;2077799]I was doing RTTF of reports of past many months. I am from India and we four people are travelling to Bangkok in Oct. In one report it was written that Indians are not allowed at Crazy House and normally only whites and other Asians like Japs are allowed in. Can anyone update on that piece of information.

Are there nude dancers in Dolls House which welcome Indians? . Do high end soapies like Lords, Poseidon show racial discrimination? We are not budget travellers but high spending group.

Anybody with knowledge of above matters, please report in forum or pm me.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I was in Bangkok last March and went to crazy house three times. I am from India and never faced any issues in any of the places including Bacara. Only point is I went alone and have seen the security being more stricter with groups. I have also visited the soapies and I don't think there is a screening process at all. In one occasion, I was in iron club in Pattaya and the club had to throw a group out as they were creating ruckus. So I think if you can go individually and pump money then it will be OK.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2077263] So I tried negotiating LT with min. Mamasan quoted me a crazy price (12500) and then when it was reasonable to me (8500). She said min had school next day. So I settled with ST for 5 k including BF. I know what some of your response would be to this price. But to the guys who pay a little more. Was this out of line?

So once back at the hotel we showered and she was a bit shy. What I get for going with younger ones huh? No cunninglous. Barely a BBBJ. But I did force the issue and got another partial. LOL. I'd say she was dick scared like some of you state. But man I'd do it again! Body 10 for my taste. A tit man would probably rate it down to a 8. Personality 8. Face 8. In bed experience 6. Would I repeat. Yes! Sexy as F![/QUOTE]Yes the price was very high. I am not in the price police though.

I avoid dealing with mamasans like the plague. However it is easy for me to say being a Thai speaker. It is not too unusual for a very young gorgeous thing to be a bit of a dud for service, but not always. The prettiest 2 bargirls I ever had in Crazy House were both good. One did not even negotiate a price at all. Her BBBJ wasn't great due to braces but the rest was very good.

I do understand the desire to keep fucking a stunner. However based on weak service you might pay a lot less.

[QUOTE=StudFarm;2077799]I was doing RTTF of reports of past many months. I am from India and we four people are travelling to Bangkok in Oct. In one report it was written that Indians are not allowed at Crazy House and normally only whites and other Asians like Japs are allowed in. Can anyone update on that piece of information.

Are there nude dancers in Dolls House which welcome Indians? . Do high end soapies like Lords, Poseidon show racial discrimination? We are not budget travellers but high spending group.

Anybody with knowledge of above matters, please report in forum or pm me.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I think will be difficult to get in Crazy, especially if a group of 4. If was in a different mixed country group, may be possible.

Long gun has some nude girls. Soso for me (I like skinny) but might be your spec. Doll's house probably has some nude uglies too. I did not check recently enough.

After grueling day at work and formal dinner, headed to Soi Cowboy for a stroll. Somehow didn't like the crowd (it was raining that day, or maybe I wasn't drunk enough) so moved to Nana Plaza. Lots of options (more than Soi, IMO) - went to Twisters. Here's brief FR:

Ambience: 9/10 - 2 L shaped dance floors. You can stand below and see, or use the stools (good if you want to grind and dance) and tiered sofas (dark, good for some private time, but girls usually sit by your side, unless of course they are trying to woo you). Music was awesome!

Girls: All Ladies. Mostly average, but 2-3 gems, need to sit and wait for the right ones to show up. Picked 1 - Very cute but was not able to hold conversation in English well. 2 drinks. Allowed top touch, light pecks and one sanity check downstairs. Stayed for 15-20 minutes, if I remember correctly. Second one. Similar experience, wasn't that cute. The group on stage changes after 20-30 minutes (Was drunk, time may be wrong) so makes sense to wait for a while.

Friendliness (10/10) : Also, ladies not on the bar were very very friendly (and not in a salesy way) - I chit chatted with one who was sitting beside me for 15 minutes, without any asks. Just talked! Mamasan was supe helpful and friendly.

Price: No cover charge. Barfine was 1000 Baht (asked, but didn't take). 160 Baht for Chang; 190 B for lady drink (didn't try other bars at plaza, so can't comment).

Was to drunk. Somehow kissed a ladyboy while leaving Nana Plaza:

Friends pulled me and saved the night!!

Try Twister at Nana Plaza. I haven't been to many, but this place was real friendly. One friend was a first timer and is getting engaged in Nov. Mamasan sat with her, explained stuff and pulled his leg a lot. Girls were friendly too. Overall good experience -Zero discrimination I'd say.

Seniors can recommend other places too!

LC.

[QUOTE=StudFarm;2077799]I was doing RTTF of reports of past many months. I am from India and we four people are travelling to Bangkok in Oct. In one report it was written that Indians are not allowed at Crazy House and normally only whites and other Asians like Japs are allowed in. Can anyone update on that piece of information.

Are there nude dancers in Dolls House which welcome Indians? . Do high end soapies like Lords, Poseidon show racial discrimination? We are not budget travellers but high spending group.

Anybody with knowledge of above matters, please report in forum or pm me.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Seniors for recommending BJ Bars. Tried my first (and second!) within 2 hours.

Went to Som's Haven at 7 pm. Was expecting crowd and sounds etc. As seniors had told that the rooms are not really sound proof But, to my surprise, zerocustomers! 15-20 girls were chilling outside. Chose one (was my first time so didn't take my time, lady looked little less young in real light:

Learning from mistakes). Name was N.

No customers. So the lady had ample time. Sat in the common area, took drinks. Made me comfortable, was friendly. Asked if you want boom boom:-the Politely said no. Then went upstairs. Same story- she washed her mouth and then johnny. Took clothes off (Top Bottom innerwear were still On). Put some oil. Then the magic started. Balls, base, shaft, deep. Everything. Asked her to remove top. She took off everything and gave a nice lap dance and straddle for sometime. Went back to work. All touches and kisses were allowed. Knew what she was doing. Pretty good experience.

Ended with CIM. We stil had 15 minutes so we just talked for 5 minutes. Asked me in the end "Are you happy" - and I was.

Walked to Wood Bar after this (FR in another report).

Face- 5/10.

GFE- 10/10.

BBBJ- 8/10.

Damage- 700 for BJ + 100 (Chang Beer) + 150 (Lady Drink, she didn't ask. I had offered) + 200 Tip.

WIR. In longer run yes, but with the amount of time I have, will explore other bars too!

Safe mongering!

LC.

After Som's Haven, walked up to Wood bar. Idea was to drink and wait while choosing the girl for 15-20 minutes and then get in. But.

Place is really efficient. As you enter. All girls will line up immediately. 10-12 consultants. Asked mamasan to get me a drink first. Not sure if it was because of time of the day or something else. But the line-up was really not upto the mark. I've heard from seniors that the place usually has good ones, but probably ended up at the wrong time. Choose one which best suited my taste. Took drink, paid, went up.

Same story. Was, put on seat etc. Etc. Now the misfortune started:

0) Lights dim (I mean zero) - asked to increase.

1) Girl started deed with full clothes on.

2) When asked to remove. Asked for 500 tip. I said, it's ridiculous and don't want to negotiate. Deed was on so agreed for 300.

3) Top came off. Touching allowed. But on pressing she said in a friendly way that it's silicone we should be careful.

4) No skill = just the same mechanical motion. Wanted to finish early.

5) Asked to take deeper. Said can't do, reflexes (Maybe my bad. Should've asked upfront. Learning from mistake).

I gave up. Just asked her to finish quickly. CIM. Paid tip. Ran away. Overall bad experience, won't repear.

Look- 7/10.

Boobs- 9/10.

BBBJ- 3/10.

GFE- 1/10.

Damage- 1000 for BJ + 150 for drink + Tip.

Planning to try soapy massage, Smooci and 1-2 more BJ bars in the rest of the week. Let's see how much time I get.

Safe mongering,

LC.

Humble question to Seniors. How do you improve chances of getting a good girl in short time settings like in BJ bars? I though looks + enthusiasm (judged by smile) would be sufficient, but.

- The ones who are good looking are not smiling.

- The ones who are smiling are not good looking.

- The ones who was smiling and good looking turned up to have no skill.

Any thumb-rules or tips to improve selection qualitiy? Would appreciate your help!

Safe mongering,

LC.

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2077908]Humble question to Seniors. How do you improve chances of getting a good girl in short time settings like in BJ bars?[/QUOTE]In BJ bars (Star of Light, Som's Haven etc) you usually get a chance to interact with the girl quite a bit (including making out) before you pick her. I normally choose someone who's willing to sit with me, make me feel good, and not immediately insist on doing the deed.

If you can't interact much (fishbowl massage parlors, oilies, maybe some BJ bars too), there is simply no way to know. Ones who try hard to grab your attention can often be crap in bed, and the shy ones can turn out to be decent. As long as the girl doesn't seem to actively avoid going with you (some do, especially in spots getting more Thais than Farang! There's no way to tell what will happen service-wise. Just pick the one that makes your dick stand up.

Honestly, I'm not that impressed by Wood Bar (ex Doctor BJ). There are several better BJ bars in Bangkok.

Picked up a really attractive spinner type in front of the walk of "pain" in front of the hotel opposite Nana Plaza. I have seen this particular lady on several yootoob videos. ST was 1200 Baht, attitude excellent, girl is a mix of Laotian and Thai, and says she cannot work in the gogos etc. She hangs out just to the right of the driveway not far from the pharmacy somewhat away from the others and away from the SHIMs. Great BBBJ, mish, cowgirl and she topped it off with a rub and tug in the shower.

Face 80/100.

Body 85/100.

Attitude after knowing you are not a groping time waster 85/100.

Sex 80/100.

Value 95/100.

I got grabbed, actually manhandled by 2 stunners in front of Midnite. One was giving some other white bloke grief over being cheap.

Very pricey place for BKK. Had a drink (mineral water) and 2 x girl drinks and copped 690 Baht bill. Beautiful lasses but not that much better than the FL in some of the bars and other gogo ladies etc.

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2077908]Humble question to Seniors. How do you improve chances of getting a good girl in short time settings like in BJ bars? I though looks + enthusiasm (judged by smile) would be sufficient, but.

- The ones who are good looking are not smiling.

- The ones who are smiling are not good looking.

- The ones who was smiling and good looking turned up to have no skill.

Any thumb-rules or tips to improve selection qualitiy? Would appreciate your help!

Safe mongering,

LC.[/QUOTE]I avoid (usually);.

1. Girls who look at their phone all the time.

2. Girls who do not smile.

3. Girls who have poor touch / feel (just lightly touch her arms and see how she responds).

4. Girls who openly make fun of or abuse other patrons.

5. Girls who have little in the way of manners.

I like picking the quieter girls who may be more in the background and less likely to attract trouble.

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2077908]Humble question to Seniors. How do you improve chances of getting a good girl in short time settings like in BJ bars? I though looks + enthusiasm (judged by smile) would be sufficient, but.

- The ones who are good looking are not smiling.

- The ones who are smiling are not good looking.

- The ones who was smiling and good looking turned up to have no skill.

Any thumb-rules or tips to improve selection qualitiy? Would appreciate your help!

Safe mongering,

LC.[/QUOTE]Just expect the vast majority to be mediocre or below regardless of looks or smile that way if they are above average it will seem better than it really is.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2077893]I think will be difficult to get in Crazy, especially if a group of 4. If was in a different mixed country group, may be possible.

Long gun has some nude girls. Soso for me (I like skinny) but might be your spec. Doll's house probably has some nude uglies too. I did not check recently enough.[/QUOTE]Crazy House will definitely not allow a group of Indians. I have been there 2-3 times but solo. Never had a real problem getting entry. The chap at the entrance gave a long hard look sometimes but I just smiled at him and went in. Maybe my age, fair complexion and decent attire worked in my favor. But a group of young indians, no way. In fact bar fined a lady on my first visit. Never really liked the place apart from the nudity. Maybe because I don't prefer skinny girls. Like some pounds at the right places, not too chubby.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;2078083]Crazy House will definitely not allow a group of Indians. I have been there 2-3 times but solo. Never had a real problem getting entry. The chap at the entrance gave a long hard look sometimes but I just smiled at him and went in. Maybe my age, fair complexion and decent attire worked in my favor. But a group of young indians, no way. In fact bar fined a lady on my first visit. Never really liked the place apart from the nudity. Maybe because I don't prefer skinny girls. Like some pounds at the right places, not too chubby.[/QUOTE]Generalising greatly, it is well known that Indians like girls with a lot more meat on them than my skinny model taste. When I used to attend Mercury bar, I noted that many customers were Indians and most girls (with a couple of exceptions) were too "chubby" for me, read "voluptuous" for the customers that liked them.

So Crazy House may well be too full of slim / skinny girls for some to like it. Some of my favourite girls have very small tits, to the point of having virtually just nipples. LOL Makes a change for GF with quite full tits.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2077991]In BJ bars (Star of Light, Som's Haven etc) you usually get a chance to interact with the girl quite a bit (including making out) before you pick her. I normally choose someone who's willing to sit with me, make me feel good, and not immediately insist on doing the deed.

If you can't interact much (fishbowl massage parlors, oilies, maybe some BJ bars too), there is simply no way to know. Ones who try hard to grab your attention can often be crap in bed, and the shy ones can turn out to be decent. As long as the girl doesn't seem to actively avoid going with you (some do, especially in spots getting more Thais than Farang! There's no way to tell what will happen service-wise. Just pick the one that makes your dick stand up.

Honestly, I'm not that impressed by Wood Bar (ex Doctor BJ). There are several better BJ bars in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Loli-tas is very much preventing any girl play downstairs.

As to the shops, seems strange to me to dislike Woodbar as a shop. It was once fine for me (have not attended that recently). Even if some Farang guys on the staff did not appeal to me (LOL). I just never really interact with them at all if ever waiting for the girl to be ready. I prefer staff in a shop like this to be Thai and female preferably. Don't like all the Thai boys hanging around like pimps (maybe boyfriends of the girls). Feels slightly creepy exploitive. I just did not give a rat's ass about the shop itself whether was Lollytas, Woodbar, whatever. Some BJ bars I never tried (failing to find a good looking girl at the time). To me the decision is, which shop has the particular girl that does it for me. Maybe I am really weird, because when I really like the girl a lot, I want to fuck her, kiss her, etc. , not just get blown.

It has always for me been about, which shop has the girls I like. A girl can pull me. If I really don't like the shop rooms (like Annies), take out is always a possibility, which I did in the past with Aor a few times. Whoops, I can see takeout for BJ is not a real possibility. LOL.

So Woodbar BJ rooms are not much good for fucking, is that the problem? I think I only ever used a BJ room a couple of times. Or is it the sterile hospital like atmosphere downstairs (I thinking back to before the redecorate)? Or the Thai boy pimps hanging around? Or just the girl selection is no good (not necessarily a permanent problem)? Not many girls look as good as their pic, but when I used to attend they did have more than 1 girl that looked good, and doable for me. No clue what the current talent is like.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2077847]I love both of those places. Going back in October, can't wait to visit a few times then.

A day time BJ at either of those places, on top of nighttime running around town can wear you out after 10 days or so, but I'm ready!

I've never been to either of them at night, is the talent better then?[/QUOTE]Loli. Tas close at midnight and it's probably the same for Kasalong. It's well known that in most shops the line up is bigger from 17 o'clock than during the day so you'll have more chance to spot a better looking girl also.

Continued exploring BJ Bars. Had time on Day 3 but BKK traffic took its toll. Took 2 hours to reach the area. Wanted to try Kasalong first based on reviews. Was following directions on maps. Saw Lo Li Tas, where Kasalong should have been. Thought I took the wrong turn. But how does it matter? Decided to get in.

8 girls. Took some time this time outside. Pretty average. Chose Chen (G) - made sure I made expectations clear ("Deep" The lady asked big or small, said average but want deep. She was pretty and friendly (probably not in a genuine way, read next report on kasalong on why I felt so). Went in, bought drink, used restroom (2 hours in cab, remember?) and went up.

Lo Li Tas is very different from Som's Haven, Kasalong and Wood Bar in two ways - 1) Only curtains and sofa (others at least had a wall) 2) No sink in the main area. That was a surprise. The lady cleaned up johny with wet wipes. 3) No upfront payment. You pay after the deed. Some fake compliments, talk on the way, and the deed started. Top innerwear on. On asking to remove, she said you might have to pay me more. OK. Complemented (She herself said it's small. Wasn't that small. I Said it's fine). BJ was good initially, Friendly, Knew what she was doing, good tongue work. She was receptive to commands, friendly all the way. However, 1) felt some teeth on deep and 2) deep wasn't deep enough. Could've been much better. Continued for sometime -- CIM. Was curtains so didn't feel like talking after that. Wrap up, dress up, small talk, cya.

Overall:

Look- 7/10.

Boobs- 9/10 (All natural, but small).

BBBJ- 6/10.

GFE- 6/10 (Was helpful, responsive, -4 for asking tips during the deed, you do good work, you'll get good tips. As simple as that).

Damage- 800 for BJ + 150+150 for drink + Tip.

Had dinner. Wanted to try kasalong while in area. Took a lot of time to find!! Realized after 15-20 minutes, that it's right next to Lo Li Tas (Pokerface) - Cheng was sitting outside while going to Kasalong, was a bit awkward (2nd BJ bar in 30 minutes) but both waved and said Hi. Kasaling FR in the next post.

Disclaimer: All personal opinion, with only 1 girl tried at each place, so the experience might be because of the girl.

How to reach: Putting this upfront, as took me some time to find this. From Soi 6, you'll reach Lo Li Tas first. Need to walk 10 steps further to reach Kasalong. It's a bit confusing, I went in to Lo Li Tas first thinking that I have taken a wrong turn. There is an alley from back side also, with very low traffic (don't remember the Soi number). Now to the FR:

After dinner, took 15 min to find Kasalong. Saw all alleys etc. , to realize later that it's right next to Lo Li Tas. The lady who had given me a BJ 30 minutes earlier was sitting outside. LOL. Was a bit awkward. Anyways, Kasalong- 10 girls, very friendly. Again looks were average. One was decently pretty and enthusiastic. There was a prettier one, but she didn't show much of enthusiasm. Learning from past mistakes took the enthusiastic but slightly less pretty one. Didn't regret. Name was Tik (They put name of ladies on the tie). Asked "deep" loudly this time and all girls were like "Ohhhh deep work, she's the best! - turned out to be true later. Went in. Pleasantries exchanged, bought drink. She asked if I want to sit here for a while or want to go up. Friends were waiting at hotel so said let's go up. Better room than L. Had sink for one. Blue ambiance (L has pure Red ambiance). Talked for a while before wash.

Wash. Loved the way she did it. Standing on one leg, with one leg wrapped around my waist to bring it closer to the sink. Not sure if it was her own specialty or a usual thing at place. She told me if you are deep and want to CIM, let me know, I need to prepare. If not deep then fine. Fair request.

Deed started. And Wow!! She was so good. Balls deep. Sloppy. Fully responsive to all requests. Also allowed to be rough. Smiling all the way. No fake moans. In fact had some genuine talk in between, when I wanted to explain what I want her to do. But man, she never said no to anything. Eager to please. Top off, no mention of tips etc. Asked in between if it was going good or if she needs to change anything. I was happy. After quite some time of deep, I wanted to finish. So asked her to do normal stuff. CIM. She again asked if I was happy or does she need to do more. I was surely a happy man. Don't know was more friendly after the deed. Was telling me that there is no crowd for last 2 weeks, mostly empty. Maybe due to holidays. I think it's because of the location. Hard to find, Lo Li Tas comes first, so neutrals will go in there. Also told that she got cold after 2 days of rains otherwise can do it much better (I couldn't feel the difference).

At exit I wanted to tip her well but fell 30 be short in cash, which I wanted to give to her than to the house. She smiled and said it's okay. Please pay the bar I am happy. Liked the gesture.

Overall:

Look- 7/10.

Boobs- 7/10 (Natural but small).

BBBJ- 10/10 (Sloppy, Deep, 0 Teeth, Clean, Face Fuck allowed, all touches allowed).

GFE- 10/10 (Eager to please, highly responsive).

WIR. Surely!! Out of the 4 BJ bars tried. K SH L W.

Damage- 800 for BJ + 150+80 for drink + Tip.

Massage and Smooci still pending. Don't have much time left and need a genuine massage (no boom boom) for my cramped legs (more beer+wine than water). Let's see how much I can do.

Safe mongering!

LC.

Dear Seniors,

Thanks for your tips on BJ bars, picking the girls and general tips. Special thanks to Belvaros, Granddaddy and of course, Sygyzeis for their help. Day 3 was definitely much much better in terms of choices due to this. However, I had two more questions:

1) Where in BKK can I find trusted Russians or CIS girls, if any. I am open to most channels (GoGo Bars, BJ Bars, hotels, Parlours, Apps, Websites) except for street pickup, which I am really not comfortable with (but do let me know if that's the only way, will explore).

2) What are the usual rates? Don't want to raise prices or get unnecessarily charged.

PM is active too if the info is not public. Would really appreciate your help!

Thanks.

Safe mongering!

LC.

I have had more fun just sitting and hanging out at places like Big Dogs opposite Nana Hotel, Thermae, Mullis Sports and Oskar than inside the true gogo bars. I like Big Dog as a place to sit and quietly watch the SW action in front of the Nana Hotel. Also gives one a place to view specific girls and see how they interact with customers, other girls and also to see if they are really Lady-Blokes in disguise.

I swear I have never seen such ladyboys anywhere, many are almost undetectable, mannerisms, voices, throats and some physiques are 100% female. Only the faintest male aggression thing seems to trip some up. I mean there is one SHIM upstairs at Nana (he / she wears colored contacts) who I would not be able to tell if they were away from the RL district. Quite scary. I guess there must be a market for these types as there are so many of them.

I leave tomorrow for the ME and Ukraine. I must say I really like BKK, always have, always will, but disappointed about the street food guys being kicked out and the rise of the Russian and ME crowd. I do love the bustle and hustle of big cities with open playgrounds for men. On a beer scale the puxxy here is cheap but the beer is not (if that makes sense).

I think Oskar and Thermae are worth a peep for those like me who prefer some FL action. A lot of Viet, Laos and Indos in some places and mixes thereof. Thermae does cater to a lot of Japanese so in some ways that makes it easier to get a slower feel for the ladies there.

If you like hot older MILF / Asian types, I have had some success chatting up freebies and FL types in various bars. If I lived here I would go this route and avoid the younger sugar-baby girlfriend route where I would be paying for her, mamasan, poppa, babies, aunts and yada yada yada.

Some still thin and very attractive MILFS to be had.

My $0. 02 worth, Thanks for the other reports in the last 20 pages or so. I never got to try Pat at Sharks and probably won't as the coyote I took will probably be there. I may try [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] today as I am up very early and want to get a lot of shots in before I head to Ukraine.

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2078337]Disclaimer: All personal opinion, with only 1 girl tried at each place, so the experience might be because of the girl.

How to reach: Putting this upfront, as took me some time to find this. From Soi 6, you'll reach Lo Li Tas first. Need to walk 10 steps further to reach Kasalong. It's a bit confusing, I went in to Lo Li Tas first thinking that I have taken a wrong turn. There is an alley from back side also, with very low traffic (don't remember the Soi number).

LC.[/QUOTE]Actually, you have that backwards. If you are approaching the area from Soi 6 you will reach Kasalong Bar first, then zig zag a bit through a small passage on the left as you face Kasalong Bar's shop front to get to L0lita's. But if you approach the area from Soi 8 you will reach L0lita's first as you described, then do the little zig zag through the small passage just past L0lita's on one side and American Bar & Grill on the other to get to Kasalong Bar. Maybe you got Soi 8 confused with Soi 6 in your memory.

Sounds like Tik has improved greatly in the couple of years since I tried her. Back then she was adamantly resistant to adjusting to anything I asked her to do. I had to abort the mission and move on to another choice when she stubbornly would not stop turning in a weird right angle to my body until she had my dick literally pointing 90 degrees to the right while she worked on it. LOL. Impossible. I must have gently asked her to please stop doing that at least a dozen times before resorting to gently moving her shoulders and body back to where she was facing me directly instead of facing the wall on the side of me. That would last about two strokes and then she went right back to that weird angle. Never tried her again after that.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2078127]Loli. Tas close at midnight and it's probably the same for Kasalong. It's well known that in most shops the line up is bigger from 17 o'clock than during the day so you'll have more chance to spot a better looking girl also.[/QUOTE]I walk past both L0lita's and Kasalong Bar almost daily/nightly. IMO, Kasalong Bar's daytime shift generally has by far the 3-4 best looking girls I have ever seen working at any BJ Bar anywhere in Bangkok or Pattaya. I believe they open earlier but some of the girls don't show up until about 10-10:30AM, then spend the next hour or so sitting outside, brushing their hair, touching up their make-up, chatting among themselves, eating breakfast and getting ready for their day's work. If you want to see the most girls in both places, the 17:00/5PM to 18:00/6PM hour is the time to check them out as that is the hour where there is an overlap of daytime and evening shift girls. Also, I think both bars usually close at 1AM, not Midnight.

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2078334]
However, 1) felt some teeth on deep and 2) deep wasn't deep enough. Could've been much better. Continued for sometime -- CIM. Was curtains so didn't feel like talking after that. Wrap up, dress up, small talk, cya.
[/QUOTE]I once had a BJ from a western girl not in Thailand (well just one example). Buddy said she was famous for silky smooth BBBJ. He was Asian. Ha ha. For me she was overly toothy. Bad BJ.

I have learned that a great BBBJ for one girl guy combination, is a horrible one for same girl with another guy. There are so many reasons. A girl can be deep and very smooth with small cock but toothy and not deep with another size. Some guys like power and speed. I hate it. Extremely slow and sloppy for me.

Many girls cannot adjust themselves. No matter how many times tell them to go slower, they soon speed up again. They cannot even begin to understand just how slow I want it. I demonstrate very slow motion but they just don't learn easily.

Actually the curtains style never bothered me. I am not that shy, but probably the main point was I did not have to tolerate listening to some other noisy customer, as shop was quiet at the time. I progressed to paying extra for very large private room, and having a nice shower with girl and a fuck. Was still good value. That girl Anne is gone, so I need a new target girl at one of the shops, preferably with really hot ass.

Maybe I will try to walk past Kasalong at the optimal time. I have actually never seen it before.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2078463]Maybe I will try to walk past Kasalong at the optimal time. I have actually never seen it before.[/QUOTE]As you already know but some newbies might not realize, passing by a BJ Bar an hour or so either way or on a particular day vs another day can mean all the difference in terms of the quality of girls sitting outside that BJ Bar and available for a session. Sometimes the best looking girls are upstairs with a customer. But since I live nearby, I have reason to pass by L0lita's and Kasalong Bar many times throughout the week, almost daily. And I have observed much more often than not that there are 3-4 girls sitting outside Kasalong Bar that are more fetching than I have seen at most other such bars. Whenever I read a FR where the guy says he walked past Kasalong Bar and didn't see anyone worthwhile, I always check to see what time of day or night he is talking about. Most of the time there is no time mentioned but I can practically bet the farm he did not walk past there mid-morning around 11 AM or during the 5 PM hour. Usually a FR is about what happened during the evening, not during the day anyway.

Of course, we're only talking about looks and not BJ skills or the ability or willingness for the girl to accommodate and adjust. And, as you indicate, that is one area where YMMV really applies.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2078483]As you already know but some newbies might not realize, passing by a BJ Bar an hour or so either way or on a particular day vs another day can mean all the difference in terms of the quality of girls sitting outside that BJ Bar and available for a session. Sometimes the best looking girls are upstairs with a customer. But since I live nearby, I have reason to pass by L0lita's and Kasalong Bar many times throughout the week, almost daily. And I have observed much more often than not that there are 3-4 girls sitting outside Kasalong Bar that are more fetching than I have seen at most other such bars. Whenever I read a FR where the guy says he walked past Kasalong Bar and didn't see anyone worthwhile, I always check to see what time of day or night he is talking about. Most of the time there is no time mentioned but I can practically bet the farm he did not walk past there mid-morning around 11 AM or during the 5 PM hour. Usually a FR is about what happened during the evening, not during the day anyway.

Of course, we're only talking about looks and not BJ skills or the ability or willingness for the girl to accommodate and adjust. And, as you indicate, that is one area where YMMV really applies.[/QUOTE]I agree that checking a place out once or twice is not knowing much at all. You have to have right or lucky timing to find the best girl.

YMMV both service and girl spec.

It is so rare I ever benefitted from another guy's recommended girl. I benefitted a lot more from places recommended to try. Maybe I tried Aor at Ann8es after someone recommended. That is only one I can remember now. Almost all other regular girls were met by lucky timing or persistence.

There maybe the odd exception where I tried a recommended girl and really liked her. We just have to get clues of where to go look for ourselves, and supress the shock horror at some BJ joints with many hags.

A hag at Star of Light once tried to convince me her looks did not matter. Ha ha.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2078525]A hag at Star of Light once tried to convince me her looks did not matter. Ha ha.[/QUOTE]Well, she isn't entire wrong. I have had a BJ there once while reading a newspaper. That time clearly, looks did not matter. 5555.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2078463]I once had a BJ from a western girl not in Thailand (well just one example). Buddy said she was famous for silky smooth BBBJ. He was Asian. Ha ha. For me she was overly toothy. Bad BJ.

I have learned that a great BBBJ for one girl guy combination, is a horrible one for same girl with another guy. There are so many reasons. A girl can be deep and very smooth with small cock but toothy and not deep with another size. Some guys like power and speed. I hate it. Extremely slow and sloppy for me.[/QUOTE]And part of the BJ (naturally) includes ball sucking and ass licking. If a girl doesn't include a healthy amount of time with her tongue up my ass, I consider the BJ to be a failure.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2078572]And part of the BJ (naturally) includes ball sucking and ass licking. If a girl doesn't include a healthy amount of time with her tongue up my ass, I consider the BJ to be a failure.[/QUOTE]555. I am sure she was a complete failure. Did not like to be fucked that much either.

Different guys have different criteria. I was surprised that no guy had taught Pat with big double Ds, that my balls needed a gentle touch of her tits at same time she is sucking the cock. Feels better than a hand for me. I trained her and now she does every time for me.

After being back in BKK for a short while I'm staying this time in Mermaid Bangkok hotel as Park Plaza almost tripled their prices since last time I was here which was only about two weeks ago. As I arrived late last night and being in the neighborhood of Soi Cowboi I headed right away to CH with a loaded gun, determined to find me some pussy after a two week fasting period.

Headed into CH at about 12:30 am and not that much that caught my eye but I had a look again at #4 who came on stage after 30 minutes or so. Having looked at her again I have noticed that the belly actually isn't that tight anymore. She does have a tattoo on her left leg on the inside of her ankle. I think it mentioned "Love" but I can be wrong. As for me she has a gorgeous ass and a nice pair of legs for a petite girl. Even though I'm not a big fan of bellies that due to circumstances have some sort of damage she does appeal me. The usual interaction didn't paid off. What I mean by that is that I focus completely to the girl and she sees that I'm hers. However, I'm not a beggar and it's not my style to pick a girl and bring her to me. I prefer that she comes to me by herself which didn't seemed to work out as I planned for. LOL.

I do understand that this sounds strange to most of you but this is just how I roll in bars. Needles to say that there were many others who crawled on my lap including #40. The blond haired girl with fake but nice pair of tits. I didn't paid enough time with her in order to see how she looks like but I do like her attitude.

Anyway, to keep it short I stayed in CH until about 2:45 am and thought to have a quick look in Sharks which is what I did. There were still some customers and I was hoping to find a late catch. Laid my eye on a petite girl with fake big tits and the ass of a 12 yo. Face was so so. She came over just before all the lights turned on and told me to wait in front of Bacara and she would be happy to offer her services to me. Price was 4000 bath for LT and as I would wait for her outside there wasn't any need to pay the BF. I didn't started to negotiate as I found that the price was reasonable. So I was there waiting for her and went for some food. This was actually the first time that I had a bit of a conversation with her which wasn't possible in Sharks due to the short time I had over there. In between the Tom Yam Goong and some other dishes I started to notice that the lady was not that far from completely sloshed. Started to cry and shit but was still able to walk sort of straight. Sort of I say. LOL.

At the time we left I wasn't sure that I would take her to my hotel room but she never got in the stage that she started to loose it completely at that point in time. She came in to a state of being hammered during the walk to the hotel though. It was a borderline call but I thought it was it was going to be alright. What a stupid fuck I was. I bet this is what happens when you go hunting with a loaded gun. She could barely stand up when we went to the elevator and almost collapsed while we were inside. Once we were in my room she was on Mars. Laid down on the bed and 10 minutes later she started to gag. Lifted her up and to the toilet she she did her thing. You can imagine how well my room smelled after that. LOL.

Needles to say that there was no further fun on the menu that time which was most likely at about 4 to 4:40 am. Woke up at about 11 am and so did she. To my surprise she went right down to action but in the middle of the process she felt to sleep again! Oh boy. What a night to remember I thought but at about 2 pm I had the impression that she was back on our planet and this was the point where things got way much better. Before going into action I made it clear to her that there was no way I was going to pay her the 4 k we had agreed upon previously so she was find with 2 k and an extra 500 bath for taxi. I can say that I had a good time and usually I'm not saying this but so did she. After the deed we slept again until 6 pm and woke her up, asking when she has to start working again. Looked like she wasn't really in the mood for it but instead wanted to have some more fun again before going back to work. So she was dry fucking me for some time and she was turned on. Asked me for another round but I told her that I didn't had any money left on me. After asking it for about ten times she then mentioned to me that it's free of charge which is something I have never experienced before so I happily accepted her offer and actually gave her another 500 bath for the trouble. Funny to see is that some women look worse when they put their make up on which was the case for her.

All in all I paid 3 k instead of 4 k for a night that started very bad and ended good. Not really sure how to feel about the deal I have finally made as it's not something that I usually do, meaning that I would lower my price during circumstances which were in the beginning rather valid but at the end she did deliver. Actually she never disagreed with my offers which makes me think that she was satisfied as well.

That's all for now. Going on the hunt again but this time with an empty gun.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2078436]I walk past both L0lita's and Kasalong Bar almost daily/nightly. IMO, Kasalong Bar's daytime shift generally has by far the 3-4 best looking girls I have ever seen working at any BJ Bar anywhere in Bangkok or Pattaya. I believe they open earlier but some of the girls don't show up until about 10-10:30AM, then spend the next hour or so sitting outside, brushing their hair, touching up their make-up, chatting among themselves, eating breakfast and getting ready for their day's work. If you want to see the most girls in both places, the 17:00/5PM to 18:00/6PM hour is the time to check them out as that is the hour where there is an overlap of daytime and evening shift girls. Also, I think both bars usually close at 1AM, not Midnight.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update, I was being serviced once at the closing time a few years ago and I thought it was near midnight but I was probably wrong.

I would agree with you that most of the times the girls from Kasalong were looking better but in my experience I enjoyed the service much more the few times I was in LoLi. Tas.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2078435] Maybe you got Soi 8 confused with Soi 6 in your memory.[/QUOTE]Correct. Checked on maps. It's the other way round. Beer, oh beer!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2078435]she stubbornly would not stop turning in a weird right angle to my body until she had my dick literally pointing 90 degrees to the right while she worked on it. [/QUOTE]LOL! No, johnny was 90 degree up this time. And she was pretty responsive to all the asks. Never realized she was an old timer there!

Safe mongering,

LC.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2078638]Thanks for the update, I was being serviced once at the closing time a few years ago and I thought it was near midnight but I was probably wrong.

I would agree with you that most of the times the girls from Kasalong were looking better but in my experience I enjoyed the service much more the few times I was in LoLi. Tas.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be surprised if L0lita's did close earlier sometimes if there were no customers showing up by 12:15 AM or so. Of the two bars, I have noticed that L0lita's is the one that closes at the drop of a hat; the Queen's second cousin's birthday, the 10th anniversary of a monk not immediately being offered a seat on a crowded BTS train, any excuse will do and L0lita's closes for the day / night. But Kasalong Bar carries on through many of the usual bar closure holidays.

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2078730]LOL! No, johnny was 90 degree up this time. And she was pretty responsive to all the asks. Never realized she was an old timer there!

Safe mongering,

LC.[/QUOTE]Ah good. I like to think my eventual dismissal of her services due to lack of focus and responsiveness to repeated requests to simply do it this way instead of that way, which she wasn't pleased about but it had to be done by someone, contributed in some small way to her now highly focused and responsive service level. LOL. And I am only partially joking about that, BTW.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2078463]Many girls cannot adjust themselves. No matter how many times tell them to go slower, they soon speed up again. They cannot even begin to understand just how slow I want it. I demonstrate very slow motion but they just don't learn easily.[/QUOTE]From my experience a classic mistake many girls make when providing a blowjob is from the first grasp or placement of their mouth on the shaft they are trying to make me cum that way. Big mistake. The first contacts should be an effort to make me WANT to cum that way. That is where the slow and sensual moves are relevant. The kind of hand / mouth and so on action necessary to make me cum should happen later, well after I have been teased and stroked and kissed and licked VERY slowly and sensually into really, really WANTING to cum that way.

Putting a P4 P lady (or any lady for that matter) into that mindset is the challenge. They can't imagine why a man wouldn't want her to launch full force into the very actions that ought to come at or near the end of the process immediately and without any build up whatever. They mistakenly are trying to make me cum that way from the very first contact of mouth or hand. Little do they know that their launching into that kind of action too soon is what will almost always prolong the process, somewhat numb the dick and balls due to too much jacking or pulling action too soon, requiring me to take much, much longer to finish. I will be put on the edge of cumming anytime they want to launch into that final stage action much faster if only they would just relax in the beginning, stop working so hard from initial contact, and try to at least pretend they are slowly and sensually pampering the total package area down there because (yes, let's call it pretending here) they enjoy the pleasure it gives me too much to rush and hurry to a finish.

About the only way I have been able to get the concept to sink into their pretty little heads is by duplicating it myself when I treat them to DATY. So often with both P4 P and non P4 P girls it seems they cum faster from my DATY technique than anytime they have ever had it done to them. Often surprisingly so. And, as I point out to them if they really want to know, it is because I do exactly to them what I have been trying to get them to do with me; I do not launch immediately and without mercy into serious focused licking as though I am trying to make them cum that way as fast as possible. Instead, I spend a decent amount of time slowly and sensually pampering the area in an effort to first make them really, really WANT to cum that way.

Those first slow and sensual licks, kisses and teasing strokes are essentially "hello, I am your friend, I am in no hurry to get this over with, I enjoy the way you look and smell and taste, you are in no hurry to cum quickly to put me out of my misery as soon as possible because I am enjoying this too much to hurry anyway, we will get to the part where I am doing what is necessary to get you over and cum soon enough, just relax for now and let me enjoy this too" message to them. That always makes getting them to cum that way a much easier proposition and it can start happening within minutes, even with ladies who have stubbornly never cum that way before. It works the same way with me. But getting them to understand that concept and adjust their approach accordingly is not easy.

Caught up with a CH girl who owed me a fuck. She sat outside the shop waiting for me and had refused to enter, get changed, and dance. I asked what her number was these days and she said she doesn't have one.

She is my only regular girl with no baby right now. So perfect slim model body no sag whatsoever. 21 YO. Small but beautiful tits. Even whitish skin. Pussy very tight at the start but expands and fucks very enthusiastically even though a relatively shy girl (for CH).

Later we went back to CH for a drink. New girl 124 was quite cute, but I could not quite see how good the tits were with bra on. Needed to just put the hand on to give a feel test. Could have been too saggy. Was not sure. I was slightly put of by rather teenage like tone of voice, even though I estimated about 24 YO.

Then my eyes, and almost everyone else's, got drawn to another new girl. 184. Issan face but quite pretty. Nose slightly broader than the girl I was sitting with. Her ass was just broad enough but cheeks were a bit on the small side. Why the ogling? She had very high firm double Dees. Lack of major swing or bounce made it fairly obvious that they must be enhanced, but shape was very excellent for such large tits. Not like some of the other horrible implant jobs. The girl sitting with me, said she knew this girl 184 and the tits were real. Ha ha. Not having done the actual touch test, I was not swallowing the story. 184 may say they are real but I don't believe that too easily. Next time I hope to meet 184 and see if there is any chemistry. I certainly decided she looked good enough and very sexy to be fuckable. There is still another girl with bigger implants in CH, but they are horrible and shaped like water melons, and we have reports of her bad performance already.

184 has tits somewhat similar but slightly more realistic than those in the ad on this page from "La vie en Rose"

I already have Pat with swinging soft bouncy double Dees in another bar, So I don't really need a new mega tits girl, but her smile is hot in an Issan way.

There was a rumour that another girl with quite full tits and very dark nipples was pregnant 4 months. I can't know if this is correct, but the belly looked taunt enough to be true (not big though).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2078834] Nose slightly broader than the girl I was sitting with. [/QUOTE]LOL. Syzygies, I've known guys with a lot of different types of fetishes. But your nose fetish is unique.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2078851]LOL. Syzygies, I've known guys with a lot of different types of fetishes. But your nose fetish is unique.[/QUOTE]It's been known for other guys to say they hate a broad flat Issan nose. So when commenting the girl looked very Issan, I did not want everyone to think that implied a very broad nose. LOL It was acceptable to me, and of course I am very fussy about noses. I commented on all features of the girl that seemed to matter. I did not think to include her skin tone LOL. Obviously was not exceptional in any way, dark or light.

Go take a look. She might appeal to you. Not very shy I reckon. No piercings I think, maybe the odd tat. Looks vastly better than Miss Piercings (seems to have been missing lately) to me.

Would you take the girl on the left or the right in these pics? Does the nose matter at all or is it purely the jaw line that matters? I wish that Thai nose jobs were typically of this quality. Alas, unfortunately 90% are not. Part of the problem is Thais wanting the high ridge. The last pic is to show sometimes the nose job was better off not done at all.

I do like a cute face, cute ass, beautifully shaped tits (not empty sag bags), and yes a cute nose helps a lot.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2078862]It's been known for other guys to say they hate a broad flat Issan nose. So when commenting the girl looked very Issan, I did not want everyone to think that implied a very broad nose. LOL It was acceptable to me, and of course I am very fussy about noses.[/QUOTE]For the record, the 3-4 better looking than usual BJ Bar girls I mentioned having seen occasionally outside Kasalong Bar during the daytime shift did not strike me as having unusual or notably bad noses. Then again, I have not approached them up close and personal to check it out. Well, I have been with one before, Mihn. But it has been a year or two. Her nose seemed fine to me back then. Of course, I am only speaking as a casual and only moderately interested nose observer, not a determinedly focused expert, and rarely encounter one so bizarre as to put a damper on my interest in accepting a decent BBBJ+CIM (or BBFS, for that matter) from the lady.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2078872]For the record, the 3-4 better looking than usual BJ Bar girls I mentioned having seen occasionally outside Kasalong Bar during the daytime shift did not strike me as having unusual or notably bad noses. Then again, I have not approached them up close and personal to check it out. Well, I have been with one before, Mihn. But it has been a year or two. Her nose seemed fine to me back then. Of course, I am only speaking as a casual and only moderately interested nose observer, not a determinedly focused expert, and rarely encounter one so bizarre as to put a damper on my interest in accepting a decent BBBJ+CIM (or BBFS, for that matter) from the lady.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. I probably don't consciously worry about the nose too much, unless it just looks very odd. In BJ bars, I picked one girl due to cute face (even with braces). Was then a bonus her ass was really hot. LOL So therefore BJ was not enough. Another girl was chosen due to big sexy lips. I guess that makes more sense. Bacarra gets the prize for bar with most odd noses, and of course they are extremely prevalent in the Soapies these days. Some shocking sharp beaks encountered (like Michael Jackson).

In CH, Bo was once a good looking star fish girl with Dee cups. She got a nose job (no reason to) and had a baby and is now just a nothing girl that no one would look at. Nose is degraded and tits gone south.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2078834]Later we went back to CH for a drink. New girl 124 was quite cute, but I could not quite see how good the tits were with bra on. Needed to just put the hand on to give a feel test. Could have been too saggy. Was not sure. I was slightly put of by rather teenage like tone of voice, even though I estimated about 24 YO.

Then my eyes, and almost everyone else's, got drawn to another new girl. 184. Issan face but quite pretty. Nose slightly broader than the girl I was sitting with. Her ass was just broad enough but cheeks were a bit on the small side. Why the ogling? She had very high firm double Dees. Lack of major swing or bounce made it fairly obvious that they must be enhanced, but shape was very excellent for such large tits. Not like some of the other horrible implant jobs. The girl sitting with me, said she knew this girl 184 and the tits were real. Ha ha. Not having done the actual touch test, I was not swallowing the story. 184 may say they are real but I don't believe that too easily. Next time I hope to meet 184 and see if there is any chemistry. I certainly decided she looked good enough and very sexy to be fuckable.
[/QUOTE]Not sure when you where there Syzygies but I was there last night and the quality of girls wasn't that great. Perhaps it was due to the fact that I was there late again. Will give it a go today at about 9:30 pm and I keep in mind the girls numbers you have noticed. Especially the girl with her double the's.

As I entered CH at about 12:30 ish I noticed the lack of fun that you sometimes see back which is sort of a deal maker to me. What I mean by that is that if the fun part is lacking I get off my stool after a drink and look elsewhere which is what I did. I did noticed a girl I have never seen before whose tits were considerably larger but I doubt they were the's and as per usual I have forgotten her number. #40 was there again but was way too busy with a big spender that had two or three girls around him.

Before that time I had a peek again in Billboard and I must say that the atmosphere was way much better than CH where I met my magnet named Bam (#77). I also like it better in Sharks actually in terms of girls having fun and most likely better looking than CH overall. Still, BB and CH are on par due to the fact that I sure do like to see what I'm getting. Having this said, for some reason, it never happened to take a girl out of CH.

[QUOTE=Hiete;2078908]Not sure when you where there Syzygies but I was there last night and the quality of girls wasn't that great. Perhaps it was due to the fact that I was there late again. Will give it a go today at about 9:30 pm and I keep in mind the girls numbers you have noticed. Especially the girl with her double the's.

As I entered CH at about 12:30 ish I noticed the lack of fun that you sometimes see back which is sort of a deal maker to me. What I mean by that is that if the fun part is lacking I get off my stool after a drink and look elsewhere which is what I did. I did noticed a girl I have never seen before whose tits were considerably larger but I doubt they were the's and as per usual I have forgotten her number. #40 was there again but was way too busy with a big spender that had two or three girls around him.

Before that time I had a peek again in Billboard and I must say that the atmosphere was way much better than CH where I met my magnet named Bam (#77). I also like it better in Sharks actually in terms of girls having fun and most likely better looking than CH overall. Still, BB and CH are on par due to the fact that I sure do like to see what I'm getting. Having this said, for some reason, it never happened to take a girl out of CH.[/QUOTE]I took girl for ST at 9. 30 or so and did not get back to CH till at least 11.30 PM, at which time the line up seemed to have improved. 3 or 4 good lookers. Early was not that good. I rate CH line up generally better than Sharks because I can't see any really great tits in Sharks. They could be covered. Did not check Billboard recently. The rotating stage used to be dark for a reason. Girls not that pretty mostly.

I was in CH till after 1am. If you saw a Farang near the door with a slim girl dressed in black on his lap, that would be me.

The pretty face girls in Sharks are really only the Coyotes for me, and they have 1500 BF.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2078917]I took girl for ST at 9. 30 or so and did not get back to CH till at least 11.30 PM, at which time the line up seemed to have improved. 3 or 4 good lookers. Early was not that good. I rate CH line up generally better than Sharks because I can't see any really great tits in Sharks. They could be covered. Did not check Billboard recently. The rotating stage used to be dark for a reason. Girls not that pretty mostly.[/QUOTE]I didn't even paid attention to the carousel in BB. For some reason those girls turn me off. The tub is where the fun girls are for me.

I agree that there's to much fabric around Shark girls but there are some faces that looks really good.

I didn't see any good lookers in CH even though number 40 does it for me. There's another one that looks quite similar when looking at hair style but brown / red haired but real tits but rather smaller but good looking. However, for some reason she gives me the impression that she doesn't want to be there.

[QUOTE=Hiete;2078923]I didn't even paid attention to the carousel in BB. For some reason those girls turn me off. The tub is where the fun girls are for me.

I agree that there's to much fabric around Shark girls but there are some faces that looks really good.

I didn't see any good lookers in CH even though number 40 does it for me. There's another one that looks quite similar when looking at hair style but brown / red haired but real tits but rather smaller but good looking. However, for some reason she gives me the impression that she doesn't want to be there.[/QUOTE]No 40 at CH is Nuce rhymes with Lucy, took her last time I was there, smoking body even with the fake tits, but a real good job and feel great. Loves the DATY and if you enjoy licking ass she loves that also. Tried to get her to do A+ but said no, enjoyed a finger in though and was smothering me and squirming whilst she sat on my face and I was going to town on her ass with my tongue, Have kept in touch via LINE and is keen to meet up again so I will repeat.

Sorry not a review but a query. I'm not fussed about sex. Just feel like shit (too much food & drink) and could do with a proper healing massage. I've been looking online but it's all sex massages.

Anyone got any recommendations?

This is my first report in this very active thread. I am a Asia newbie but spend most of my time in Latin America and the Caribe. Spanish is my second language which means squat here. So all you veterans just correct what you feel I did not understand or just got plain wrong. I have thick skin.

Man, that is a long fight from the states, then a 6 HR layover in Hong Kong then finish it off with a 2+ hour flight. Arrived after midnight which means no traffic and a smooth ride into town. Nice taxi setup at BKK, stand in line at taxi self service machines, punch for your number, find the parking slot that matches your number and either taxi is there or will be shortly. You pay the meter charge plus airport exit and 2 toll charges. Very reasonable pricing for the service IMHO. I would not go this route if I landed during the day. Traffic is pretty bad and I would rather hassle through trains and transfers. Lots of posts already on options from airport, just read alittle.

Surprisingly, I had some gusto leftover from the flight and went walking down Suk to see what FLs I could find. I took a few passes between nana station and asok and lots to see and was grabbed by more than one African FL. I guess I was their type (they smelled the fresh meat more likely). I found a coffee shop and sat outside to watch and saw a nice 25 ish girl that I like the look of so called her over to have a coffee with me. We chatted abit and I felt the stirrings inside so just went for it as I knew the day's events would start to bring me down without warning. I blurted out 2 k, she agreed and off we went. I'm staying at the Ramchitt as I wanted to be between nana and cowboys to be in the thick of thing as it were. I will give my review of the hotel in the proper thread. Anyway, it was a good first dip in the Thai pool. She did her work, both BBBJ and took the pounding. No hassles, which seems to be what is expected in this neck of the woods. I doubt I return anytime soon so I'm not really keeping names or numbers. General question on the coyote girls in the gogos. Do they wear a different outfit or color number badge? Example, how would you spot one dancing on stage at CH?

I will continue to share my virgin tour as it unfolds. Damn, its really hot here, LOL.

GF.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2079238]was grabbed by more than one African FL. I guess I was their type (they smelled the fresh meat more likely). [/QUOTE]You could be 5 feet short, 500 pounds fat, wear an eye patch, have one arm, one leg, bald, and hairy like a gorilla. Those African girls are desperate and will grab you regardless of what you look like. They are a pain in the ass. I wish they weren't even there.

Picked up an early twenties, cutie in Billboard off the carousel. 700 BF and 3000ST. I liked the girls on the carousel over the jacuzzi. The carousel girls looked younger. Maybe it was being in the bar around midnight?

Picked up an early twenties, mom bod from the downstairs Mandarin. Girl was nice but I should have known it was a bad sign when the momma was willing to super discount her. 1500 BF 2200 tip and 500 for drinks (which I thought were included in the BF, but the momma made me pay anyways).

Sharks and Bacarra on Soi Cowboy had lots of hot girls. Went to CH at 8 pm and it was pretty empty and no lookers.

Butterfly, Mandarin (upstairs and downstairs), Erotica, Rainbow upstairs Billboard had the best girls. Erotica was the most fun, top less girls on your lap for a drink. There was a bar, maybe diamonds? Where it was smoked LB and girls. They lured me in twice with the girls outside and then left me with the LB. After the first time I told myself not to go into that bar but after drinking for four hours bar hopping I forgot. Just a warning to first timers and forgetful drinkers who aren't specifically looking for LB.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2079238] I would not go this route if I landed during the day.[/QUOTE]I always just take a taxi, guess I just find it easier. I did try to take the train one night but got there a couple of minutes late and the next one was a long time later. I think an hour but I could be wrong. I spend so much time travelling with work that I can just switch off in a taxi so the traffic doesn't really bother me that much.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2079238]This is my first report in this very active thread....

Man, that is a long fight from the states, then a 6 HR layover in Hong Kong then finish it off with a 2+ hour flight...

GF.[/QUOTE]Coming from the middle of the USA, it's all about 26 total hours for me, but. Here's how I do it.

Flight to LAX, spend the night and bang a hottie from one of the services.

Fly out early the next day. Highly recommend those neck pillows. Best investment you can make for long flights. I start off with watching a movie. Eat the first meal. Then take my sleeping pills. I recommend Zzzquil, very smooth. I never even see the mid-flight sub sandwich as I'm out cold. When I finally do wake up for good, they're bringing around the final meal and then I pop on a movie afterwards.

At that point, less than 2 hours to land. Sweet!

I always try to schedule my layovers for at least 8 hours, so I can go into Taipei or Tokyo or, in the upcoming case Shanghai. I've slept with some awesome girls in both Taipei and Tokyo and am looking forward to what I can find in Shanghai!

I usually watch another movie and sleep on the way to BKK (mongering is hard work), so that I'm refreshed and ready to pile up some numbers.

Just sharing my method, until I move here one day!

Yesterday I decided I would not go to Crazy House and have a look at the bars in Nana, particularly the bars I had not previously "explored".

I first stop at Angelwitch and I must confess that I really liked the outfits the girls were wearing. I signaled a slim girl with very small boobs (I don't like fake boobs, particularly when they feel hard to the touch) and she promptly came to sit on my lap. It was pretty late already and I think the girls were eager to be barfined, a bit too eager perhaps. Then I went to Mandarin, the one on the upper floor and I was grabbed immediately by a girl who was also to my liking looks wise but once again too eager. Inside, I was in for a shock: I have rarely seen so many young a slim cuties. On stage, there were at least five girls I would have liked to bar-fine, and I am quite picky.

But I was only there on a "recon" mission since I was a bit tired of my previous two days of mongering and I am saving my strength for the escort I have already booked (Saya who I previously tried and reviewed). But I will definitely come back to Mandarin next time with the hope that these young cuties will not turn into starfish once in the bedroom.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2079413]Coming from the middle of the USA, it's all about 26 total hours for me, but. Here's how I do it.

Flight to LAX, spend the night and bang a hottie from one of the services.

Fly out early the next day. Highly recommend those neck pillows. Best investment you can make for long flights. I start off with watching a movie. Eat the first meal. Then take my sleeping pills. I recommend Zzzquil, very smooth. I never even see the mid-flight sub sandwich as I'm out cold. When I finally do wake up for good, they're bringing around the final meal and then I pop on a movie afterwards.

At that point, less than 2 hours to land. Sweet!

I always try to schedule my layovers for at least 8 hours, so I can go into Taipei or Tokyo or, in the upcoming case Shanghai. I've slept with some awesome girls in both Taipei and Tokyo and am looking forward to what I can find in Shanghai!

I usually watch another movie and sleep on the way to BKK (mongering is hard work), so that I'm refreshed and ready to pile up some numbers.

Just sharing my method, until I move here one day![/QUOTE]I just cash in miles and fly business class.

I went to Kasalong, Wood Bar, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and Soms during the day and early evening to kill time before going to go go's at night.

Kasalong at 3 pm had 6 girls. 2 in their early twenties, the rest closer to 40. Only one of the 20 year old girls was thin so I chose her. Upstairs for the wash and BJ. Her technique was to go fast and hard, mixing in her hand. 800 BF and 500 tip.

Wood Bar at 3 pm had 5 girls. Only one near 20 years of age. Slow and sloppy technique, wouldn't let me play with her tits or anything. 1000 BF and 200 tip.

Soms at 7 pm had 10 girls. A couple cute girls near 20 years of age. Slow and sloppy technique, but asked how I liked it and also mixed in fast and hard. 700 or 800 BF and I left the change from 1000 as the tip.

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] at 7 pm had 15 girls 5 near 20 years of age. 3 were very attractive. It was hard to choose and a little awkward since there were three other guys there and we were each trying to pick between the same girls. Plus we were outside in view of the restaurant diners. I finally just picked a girl, but I wish I had picked the other hotter girl, but one of the guys was standing next to her and giving her a real hard look. He was there first so I didn't want to cut him off, haha. The girl I chose apparently was eating a really spicy soup. She said she wanted to use a condom and I said no. She spent 5 minutes washing out her mouth. It was still hot, haha. Luckily it cooled down eventually but she started complaining about her mouth being sore. Very friendly and funny. 1000 total.

Wandering the city I had a massage but walked past another spot near Soi 8 (doorway that leads to an upstairs place) that had a skinny, young girl with huge tits. She was sitting so when I walked past her uniform really showed off her cleavage. I decided I wasn't in a rush so I might as well try another massage. Thai massage was 300 but they upsold me the oil massage 500. When she told me to completely strip, I thought maybe this is going to be more than a massage. Showered and then put my boxers on back in the curtained room. She came in and told me remove my boxers. Soft fake massage and on the flip she asked if I wanted a HJ. 1000 baht. I know that was a lot but I was at her mercy at that point just wanting to play with her tits and body while she finished me. Top came off and she let me roam on her bottom over her dress. Saw her a few days laters in front of the shop and she smiled when I passed. Haha.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2079238]General question on the coyote girls in the gogos. Do they wear a different outfit or color number badge? Example, how would you spot one dancing on stage at CH? [/QUOTE]Yes, they wear a different outfit. It's sexy but it doesn't reveal anything of their private parts. They wear shorts, bra's, tops and sometimes even panties that cover up everything firmly.

By the way: CH doesn't have coyotes.

[QUOTE=JamesRider;2079220]Sorry not a review but a query. I'm not fussed about sex. Just feel like shit (too much food & drink) and could do with a proper healing massage. I've been looking online but it's all sex massages.

Anyone got any recommendations?[/QUOTE]The massage shop beside 7/11 on Suk soi 8. Really good massage and I have never been offered any extras.

There is also a new shop on Sukhumwit, opposite Soi 25, I think the name is, The Thai.

Had sometime to kill around 5 pm. Remember some senior had said the best lot at KL is around that time. So thought will give it a try.

There were 2 customers chilling on the table outside with 2-3 girls (so they do allow downstairs talk and play sometimes). I chose Lila. Little chubby with a cute face. While I was getting in saw Tik serving drink to the guest. LOL. Had a small talk she remembered me from 3 days ago.

Same motions. Went up. Lila was friendly. Washed. Again that wrapping of one leg around my waist to bring it closer to sink was Tik's specialty. Lila's technique was simple- stand and wash. Deed started. Better than average. Zero teeth. Very receptive. Shirt off, bra off. Natural tits, tummy. Chubby but cute face. Good ball licking and sucking too. Tik's DT was better. But Lila was better than average too. CIM. I asked her to show before spitting but she had swallowed. Wow. Surprise for me!

After the deed. Washed. Surprising She put my shoes pant at right places for me to wear. Was even going to put my socks and shoes on for me. I said no. Little things. Tipped, Paid and left.

I've seen Kasalong girls never mention tip or money in or before the deed. They'll do everything as asked. While my experience at Lo Li Tas, Som's Haven and Wood bar has been diff. All three girls said you'll have to pay more whenever I made even a simple request. Maybe YMMV, but I have 5 data points now confirming this.

Overall.

Face- 7/10.

Boobs- 7/10.

BBBJ- 8/10.

CIM. Yes.

Swallow. Yes.

Damage- 800 + Tips.

Went in to Thermae bar with my colleagues. There were more than 50-80 (maybe more) freelancers around. Some of them were real real stunners. Was with colleagues so couldn't pick one. Bad luck.

Method is simple. You get in. No cover charge. But you need to buy at least one drink (around 100 Baht for Chang) The girls are all lined up in the room, you can walk around talk and pick the one you like. No barfine too. Deal is bw you and the girl. You can just sit and chill in the table middle also. But need to keep buying drinks. The girls didn't appear to be making first move to anyone (unlike gogo bars)- you had to go and start the talk. Also, didn't see any lap dances or make-outs happening. It was more like talk and take.

I think this is the only thing that I'd like to check off when I am back in BKK. Some of the girls were super super good!! Had never heard of this place. Else would've planned to explore earlier.

Safe mongering,

LC.

After cursing my luck at Thermae, bade goodbye to friends and went to Nana Plaza at around 1 am. Team stayed at Thermae. Twister. Found the girls too pushy to be barfined at this time. 2 girls came in immediately asking for drinks etc. Mamasan was diff today. Last time one was pretty chilled out giving us time to explore, ask etc. This one was shoving girls in face. Didn't like it. Thought will try smooci and Left.

A ladyboy again hugged me and almost dragged me to her bar (last time friends had rescued, this time was alone). Thankfully I wasn't drunk enough and politely refused and ran away.

Called in Emma from Smooci for the night. FR is in Bangkok Escorts forum (pending approval right now).

Safe mongering.

LC.

After 6 hectic days. Wanted an authentic Thai massage. Went into a Parlour which didn't look shady (open foot massage area. No girls outside). I don't remember the name, but it's between Nana plaza and Alley with Dynasty Grand Hotel, with a big green board saying Thai massage.

Went in- 300 Baht for 1 hour Thai massage. Pay after time. A very very hot girl took me upstairs. Johnny was in too minds now. Said he wouldn't mind some fun. Came back to senses when the masseur came in (lady in her 30's). It was a four bed area with curtains in between. Though nobody else was there.

Pretty good massage for an hour. Asked her to focus on legs more. Which she did. Never realized my body could be twisted and stretched in so many different ways to release tension! At some points, E. G. , elbow near groin, it felt painful in the moment. But felt so relaxed after the therapy. Overall loved it. Slept like a baby after coming to hotel.

Would def suggest mongers to try authentic places too. V relaxing in hectic BKK.

BTW. Is there a way to identify FS massage centres from outside? My guess is girls would be sitting outside and there would be no open foot massage area. Also, any good places for non-soapy massage with FS near Sukhumvit?

Safe mongering,

LC.

Tried Emma from Smooci. Old but gold. Posting link of detailed FR here, as some of you had asked to share Smooci review over PM: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2454-Bangkok-Escort-Agencies&p=2079629[/URL]#post2079629.

Safe mongering,

LC.

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2079636]Went in to Thermae bar with my colleagues. There were more than 50-80 (maybe more) freelancers around. Some of them were real real stunners. Was with colleagues so couldn't pick one. Bad luck.

Method is simple. You get in. No cover charge. But you need to buy at least one drink (around 100 Baht for Chang) The girls are all lined up in the room, you can walk around talk and pick the one you like. No barfine too. Deal is bw you and the girl. You can just sit and chill in the table middle also. But need to keep buying drinks. The girls didn't appear to be making first move to anyone (unlike gogo bars)- you had to go and start the talk. Also, didn't see any lap dances or make-outs happening. It was more like talk and take.

I think this is the only thing that I'd like to check off when I am back in BKK. Some of the girls were super super good!! Had never heard of this place. Else would've planned to explore earlier.

Safe mongering,

LC.[/QUOTE]You are an extreme optimist! Generally there are very few if any stunners to my taste, that I struggle to find more than 2 or 3 girls interesting me. Usually they have surgeries. If I do spot a really hot girl, I find I have usually done that too slow, as has a man negotiating with her already (I needed to pounce quicker and not take my time).

Then it is difficult for Farang to find a nice sweet girl who will do GFE. Most are looking for Quickie with Asian man.

It's not quite heaven in there for some of us. You need a bit of luck which I have probably lacked. I did not actually have any girl from there recently worth repeating either.

Heaven for Asian men perhaps. Not for me.

Happy unsafe but lucky mongering, or whatever!

I know, I asked this some weeks ago, but I will arrive in BKK next Thursday for an only 2-day stay. On rpevious stays I liked soi 7 beergaden (yes!) , of which we heard it would disappear, then not, then again, then a provisory building and so on. I would thus just know if there are still FLs to be met there or if I should just pass the soi 7 and go to Hillary. How is our famous beergarden looking actually?

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2079238]This is my first report in this very active thread. I am a Asia newbie but spend most of my time in Latin America and the Caribe. Spanish is my second language which means squat here. So all you veterans just correct what you feel I did not understand or just got plain wrong. I have thick skin.

Man, that is a long fight from the states, then a 6 HR layover in Hong Kong then finish it off with a 2+ hour flight. Arrived after midnight which means no traffic and a smooth ride into town. Nice taxi setup at BKK, stand in line at taxi self service machines, punch for your number, find the parking slot that matches your number and either taxi is there or will be shortly. You pay the meter charge plus airport exit and 2 toll charges. Very reasonable pricing for the service IMHO. I would not go this route if I landed during the day. Traffic is pretty bad and I would rather hassle through trains and transfers. Lots of posts already on options from airport, just read alittle..[/QUOTE]Thanks for your report. My first trip to Thailand is in February so its great to read your reports. I'm lucky that I live in Australia so its only 1 direct flight and 9 hours duration. Is it the Ruamchitt Plaza Hotel you are staying at? We are staying there for 2 nights and it would be good to hear a first hand and current opinion of the place, like how far to walk to either Nana and Cowboy. We are going directly to Pattaya with a transfer from our hotel there and a transfer to Bangkok so our only experience with Bangkok taxis should be from Ruamchitt to the airport on a Saturday afternoon. I would like to tap an African pussy while I'm there, not too many here in Australia, but I will probably do in Pattaya.

Enjoy your holiday mate and keep the reports coming.

Rob.

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2079636]Went in to Thermae bar with my colleagues. There were more than 50-80 (maybe more) freelancers around. Some of them were real real stunners. Was with colleagues so couldn't pick one. Bad luck.

Method is simple. You get in. No cover charge. But you need to buy at least one drink (around 100 Baht for Chang) The girls are all lined up in the room, you can walk around talk and pick the one you like. No barfine too. Deal is bw you and the girl. You can just sit and chill in the table middle also. But need to keep buying drinks. The girls didn't appear to be making first move to anyone (unlike gogo bars)- you had to go and start the talk. Also, didn't see any lap dances or make-outs happening. It was more like talk and take.

I think this is the only thing that I'd like to check off when I am back in BKK. Some of the girls were super super good!! Had never heard of this place. Else would've planned to explore earlier.

Safe mongering,

LC.[/QUOTE]Yeah I like this place a LOT. Mentioned it a few posts back in my Bangkok posts. Thermae, for mind has the best womenI saw in BKK and most are very relaxed and on the semi-pro tour. I met a MILF here who was cheap and so good. Also a few university ladies. YMMV.

BTW the ladies out front are almost all ladyblokes or have bar trouble so avoid. I did not see any ladyboys inside and a bar person told me they are strictly forbidden.

Sadly had to leave BKK via HK and now to Ukraine where I hope to report on success.

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2079636]Went in to Thermae bar with my colleagues. There were more than 50-80 (maybe more) freelancers around. Some of them were real real stunners. Was with colleagues so couldn't pick one. Bad luck.

Method is simple. You get in. No cover charge. But you need to buy at least one drink (around 100 Baht for Chang) The girls are all lined up in the room, you can walk around talk and pick the one you like. No barfine too. Deal is bw you and the girl. You can just sit and chill in the table middle also. But need to keep buying drinks. The girls didn't appear to be making first move to anyone (unlike gogo bars)- you had to go and start the talk. Also, didn't see any lap dances or make-outs happening. It was more like talk and take.

I think this is the only thing that I'd like to check off when I am back in BKK. Some of the girls were super super good!! Had never heard of this place. Else would've planned to explore earlier.

Safe mongering,

LC.[/QUOTE]Thermae is what it is. I tend to find the girls to be in the mold of the cute girl next door type, rarely see any 'sexy' ladies but some of the cuter ones can be a cut above. I've taken a handful of girls up to the short time room and the service has never been anything to write here or home about. If you want a cutie sweet girl type with no frills sex its a consistent option.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2079834] I would like to tap an African pussy while I'm there, not too many here in Australia, but I will probably do in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]In Bangkok, Black girls FL can be found at Oskar bar starting 6 pm, and then at Levels disco, just besides. Both are Sukhumvit Soi 11.
I don't remember having seen any in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;2079973]In Bangkok, Black girls FL can be found at Oskar bar starting 6 pm, and then at Levels disco, just besides. Both are Sukhumvit Soi 11.
I don't remember having seen any in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]In Bangkok there are black street walkers all over Sukhumvit and Soi 4 at night and in Pattaya there are a few at Beach Road.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2079834]I would like to tap an African pussy while I'm there, not too many here in Australia, but I will probably do in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]In Bangkok for African FL / SW also try the following areas: Sukhumvit soi 4 from the intersection to down past Nana Plaza, and at the Suk soi5 McDonalds down and around to the Grace Hotel on Soi 3. There seems to be larger numbers later in the evening.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2079981]In Bangkok for African FL / SW also try the following areas: Sukhumvit soi 4 from the intersection to down past Nana Plaza, and at the Suk soi5 McDonalds down and around to the Grace Hotel on Soi 3.

[/QUOTE]You don't really even need to look, just walk around, they will find you. Last time I was around there a few months ago there were heaps of African women.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2080015]You don't really even need to look, just walk around, they will find you. Last time I was around there a few months ago there were heaps of African women.[/QUOTE]Something must be wrong with my two prior visits then; didn't see any obvious African prostitutes. I saw Arab women, yes and got accosted by an Eastern European but that's it.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2079834]Thanks for your report. My first trip to Thailand is in February so its great to read your reports. I'm lucky that I live in Australia so its only 1 direct flight and 9 hours duration. Is it the Ruamchitt Plaza Hotel you are staying at? We are staying there for 2 nights and it would be good to hear a first hand and current opinion of the place

Rob.[/QUOTE]Rob, as soon as I catch my breath I will post my hotel review on the proper thread so stay tuned.

GF.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2079588]Yes, they wear a different outfit. It's sexy but it doesn't reveal anything of their private parts. They wear shorts, bra's, tops and sometimes even panties that cover up everything firmly.

By the way: CH doesn't have coyotes.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification Mogwai, but I did see girls dressed covered up like you described in CH. Good to know no coyotes there. Saw some elsewhere with coyote clearly marked on her number badge. To me the non-cayotes are just as doable.

GF.

Ok, 2nd day slept in then did some tourist things, checked out terminal 21 as it's close to the rachitt where I'm staying. Great access to either the underground lines or skytrains. Today took skytrains to each terminus stations for both lines just to get a look at the city. Get the smart card for 200 baht that comes with 100 credit for the skytrain. Saves you alot of standing in line for each ride ticket. Add credit as needed at machines. The MRT has a smart card as well. I paid 180 baht for that one and again 100 credit. The airport rail line is not part of these systems, pay separate. Enjoyed visiting Siam Center food court. One area you put credit on a card then go around and pay for your food with it. These shopping centers are a sight to behold. Nice places to drop into when the heat gets to be to much. There was always one close by when I needed it.

For my naughtiness today tried my first BJ bar, kasalong (soi 6, but can be reached from soi 8) . I did not get a good vibe from the one next to it. I liked that you can chill outside or inside, play pool, have a beer in peace or chit chat with the lady of your choice. I went early like 5 pm and believe I was the only customer at the time. 800 baht for the deed and 1700 for one hour full service in a room with a bed I was told. I wanted the BJ service experience so waddled up to the sink in a cubicle style room with aircon. The young lady was fairly new (mentioned by another provider) and pretty enough so I gave her the ok to do the wash then the BBBJ. I like the couch BJ and she was doing her best, I believe, to give me the slow throttling I enjoy. Well time was up to quickly and the job was not finished. What is it like 20 minutes, from wash to ending? I forgot to ask. Anyway, being my first time in a BJ bar I was not going to go out like this so ask the girl to get mamasan as I would select another to finish with. Mamasan did not show up but another girl did who spoke English well enough. I explained the first girl did not finish and I wanted to come, damn it. She tells me to pay for first girl and she would finish me. I would not have picked her at selection process but figured she must be one of the better providers due to her marginal looks and boy I was right. She started over with the wash and the gave me the BJ service all you guys rave about. Man, that was one good BBBJ and finish top notch. You only see the top of their heads during so it really did not matter if she was not the prettiest. She got the job done, I was happy, mission accomplished. Being my first time in this area (SEA) we can be easier to please. I find that a big bonus vs you long timers who spend more time on the hunt as you have become immuned to what I consider many doable girls. You have become connoisseurs as it were. Were I'm just happy with a good box wine.

GF.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;2079973]In Bangkok, Black girls FL can be found at Oskar bar starting 6 pm, and then at Levels disco, just besides. Both are Sukhumvit Soi 11.
I don't remember having seen any in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]You can find african girl in Pattaya, on Beach Road and Walking Street.

Last night in BKK so went to CH and was hoping to see some good lookers and I must say that it wasn't bad at all. Both #40 and #4 were there and I had the chance to have them both between my legs next to the stage. Not that it came further than that. As much as I wanted to be between their legs later that night it just didn't worked out the way I wanted. Even though I have to say that both #40 and especially #4 whose name's Jane were giving their best on stage and got my juices flowing there wasn't that much of verbal interaction when I had the chance to talk to them. I almost took the chance to get ST with #4 though who asked for 3 k for 2 hours and multiple pops? As I'm still sort of a newbie I'm not sure that WG's usually offer this time and moreover more than a pop. Even though it was tempting, the lack of interaction was not a motivator for me so I declined but boy is she hot when she's doing her thing for you on stage.

Other women that caught my eye were #96 (Not sure what she's doing there. Looks so bored on that stage and gives me the feeling that she doesn't want to be there. Nice slender looking body though. She won't be performing in case I would have a joint! LOL), #67 had a nice face but I forgot what turned me off. I must admit that when it comes up to body lookers then #49 looks phenomenal in my opinion. Those tattoos just make it even better but oh dear, it must be one of the worst boob jobs I have ever observed. Also too many nip and tucks in her face. A damn shame when you ask me. Not sure she's regretting it all as she had quite some attention. Perhaps #147 had the hottest looking stare of the pack.

Left CH for Shark and there were some good lookers as well but I admit that most lookers are wearing too much clothes and difficult to find out whether they look good in the nude. Actually I went into Shark as I wanted to have a glimpse of the girl I had from there before (Reported about her previously) and she was very happy to see me again. Even though it took a day or two before the vomit scent was out of my room and nose we did had a good time back then and I was happy to sit down next to her until I found out that she had caught the Irish flu again, It's interesting to see that they seemingly look OK on stage but they can't see a hole in a ladder once you start talking to some of them. She wasn't drunk enough not to be jealous though as she wasn't happy when she found out from another girl on stage that I was looking at another girl before I noticed Sotally Tober. Funny.

Anyway. There were good times and bad times during my time in BKK as per usual. I'll be back.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2079796]I know, I asked this some weeks ago, but I will arrive in BKK next Thursday for an only 2-day stay. On rpevious stays I liked soi 7 beergaden (yes!) , of which we heard it would disappear, then not, then again, then a provisory building and so on. I would thus just know if there are still FLs to be met there or if I should just pass the soi 7 and go to Hillary. How is our famous beergarden looking actually?[/QUOTE]I walked thru a few times during my last visit in July. Looks like it has seen better days. I had a beer and a few WG's stopped by to say Hello, but I'm not in the mood for charity. The ladies I saw in there should be paying us.

RL.

Haha Syzygies. I'm not that lucky. But how would I learn until I try! Went there around 9-10 pm, crowd was good for my taste BTW you are right - 80% of mongers in there were asians. Not sure why.

Safe Mongering,

LC.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2079789]You are an extreme optimist! Generally there are very few if any stunners to my taste, that I struggle to find more than 2 or 3 girls interesting me. Usually they have surgeries. If I do spot a really hot girl, I find I have usually done that too slow, as has a man negotiating with her already (I needed to pounce quicker and not take my time).

Then it is difficult for Farang to find a nice sweet girl who will do GFE. Most are looking for Quickie with Asian man.

It's not quite heaven in there for some of us. You need a bit of luck which I have probably lacked. I did not actually have any girl from there recently worth repeating either.

Heaven for Asian men perhaps. Not for me.

Happy unsafe but lucky mongering, or whatever![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2080073]Ok, 2nd day slept in then did some tourist things, checked out terminal 21 as it's close to the rachitt where I'm staying. Great access to either the underground lines or skytrains. Today took skytrains to each terminus stations for both lines just to get a look at the city. Get the smart card for 200 baht that comes with 100 credit for the skytrain. Saves you alot of standing in line for each ride ticket. Add credit as needed at machines. The MRT has a smart card as well. I paid 180 baht for that one and again 100 credit. The airport rail line is not part of these systems, pay separate. Enjoyed visiting Siam Center food court. One area you put credit on a card then go around and pay for your food with it. These shopping centers are a sight to behold. Nice places to drop into when the heat gets to be to much. There was always one close by when I needed it.

For my naughtiness today tried my first BJ bar, kasalong (soi 6, but can be reached from soi 8) . I did not get a good vibe from the one next to it. I liked that you can chill outside or inside, play pool, have a beer in peace or chit chat with the lady of your choice..[/QUOTE]Hi GF,

Happy to hear that there is another wine in a box type of guy out there! I will definitely try the BJ bar you mentioned. Did she swallow or spit LOL. How is the Ruamchitt? Keep up the reports as you are giving me some ideas for my 2 days in Bangkok.

Rob.

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2080196] Not sure why.[/QUOTE]If you ran a filter search on Thermae and read reports dating back up to a year or so, you would know why.

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2080196]Haha Syzygies. I'm not that lucky. But how would I learn until I try! Went there around 9-10 pm, crowd was good for my taste BTW you are right - 80% of mongers in there were asians. Not sure why.

Safe Mongering,

LC.[/QUOTE]If you factor in the locals, I would say that 90%+ of all mongers in Thailand are Asian these days. There are only a few 'farang' dedicated establishments remaining and even they also get a decent amount of Asian customers.

The reasons for this shifting in demographics is that East Asians typically pay more, rarely haggle over the price, have different sexual needs, are totally fine with the whole mia noi arrangement, tend to be more respectful, are younger, and as far as bars go, tend to drink a lot in a short period of time and in groups. And of course their body types are more naturally compatible with local women if you know what I mean.

Went there today and is all closed up. Phone out of service.

Decided to use my MRT smart card and explore outside Suk area today. Lords soapy was my intended destination as I do not like oil massages so figured soapy might be a better choice for me. I started my walking trek from Thailand Cultural Center station and quickly found out these blocks are very long in this part of the city. No matter, I enjoy exploring, there was a very nice mall called Streets close to soapy area and plan to visit afterwards to take in a meal. I reach Lords and lordy it is a monstrosity. I noticed another soapy past it called Oceans so decided to visit there first. Compared to Lords it is very outdated but has the old bkk charm, I believe. Arrived a little after noon and must be to early as there was only 4 girls ready to be viewed. I was given prices of 2100,2300 and 2600. They were all doable for me but the higher end one was tall and had a nice rack. After drinking some water they provided I guess the high end girl decided to help me with my decision by coming down to 2500. I believe it was for 1. 5 hrs but never felt rushed. So I go with the 2500 girl and she takes me into this large room with king bed and tub / shower area. She fills tub so we can both get in. You straddle her while she washes you all over. Kinda of a msg in itself. I was relaxed afterwards. You turn and she does your back. Then dry and off to the bed. Very good BBBJ and then any position I wanted. Very nice way to get serviced before I would have said the FKK was the best way to go but the soapy experience is top notch. Maybe do Lords tomorrow. Went to Streets mall for meal, lots of choices and just walked the area since it is more spread out and does not have that cramped feeling like Suk area. I might have used the moto taxis next time as I said before those blocks are long.

GF.

[QUOTE=Hiete;2080098]Last night in BKK so went to CH and was hoping to see some good lookers and I must say that it wasn't bad at all. Both #40 and #4 were there and I had the chance to have them both between my legs next to the stage. Not that it came further than that. As much as I wanted to be between their legs later that night it just didn't worked out the way I wanted. Even though I have to say that both #40 and especially #4 whose name's Jane were giving their best on stage and got my juices flowing there wasn't that much of verbal interaction when I had the chance to talk to them. I almost took the chance to get ST with #4 though who asked for 3 k for 2 hours and multiple pops? As I'm still sort of a newbie I'm not sure that WG's usually offer this time and moreover more than a pop. Even though it was tempting, the lack of interaction was not a motivator for me so I declined but boy is she hot when she's doing her thing for you on stage.

Other women that caught my eye were #96 (Not sure what she's doing there. Looks so bored on that stage and gives me the feeling that she doesn't want to be there. Nice slender looking body though. She won't be performing in case I would have a joint! LOL), #67 had a nice face but I forgot what turned me off. I must admit that when it comes up to body lookers then #49 looks phenomenal in my opinion. Those tattoos just make it even better but oh dear, it must be one of the worst boob jobs I have ever observed. Also too many nip and tucks in her face. A damn shame when you ask me. Not sure she's regretting it all as she had quite some attention. Perhaps #147 had the hottest looking stare of the pack.

Left CH for Shark and there were some good lookers as well but I admit that most lookers are wearing too much clothes and difficult to find out whether they look good in the nude. Actually I went into Shark as I wanted to have a glimpse of the girl I had from there before (Reported about her previously) and she was very happy to see me again. Even though it took a day or two before the vomit scent was out of my room and nose we did had a good time back then and I was happy to sit down next to her until I found out that she had caught the Irish flu again, It's interesting to see that they seemingly look OK on stage but they can't see a hole in a ladder once you start talking to some of them. She wasn't drunk enough not to be jealous though as she wasn't happy when she found out from another girl on stage that I was looking at another girl before I noticed Sotally Tober. Funny.

Anyway. There were good times and bad times during my time in BKK as per usual. I'll be back.[/QUOTE]No. 4 Jane is a good performer and nice tight pussy. She was probably thinking how boring you were as well based on the lack of interaction. It is boring if girls ask me all the standard questions so better if you drive the conversation.

Of course it is hard to speak English with a bargirl in a loud music bar. Thai is a little easier in noise situation if they pronounce clearly.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2080054]Thanks for the clarification Mogwai, but I did see girls dressed covered up like you described in CH. Good to know no coyotes there. Saw some elsewhere with coyote clearly marked on her number badge. To me the non-cayotes are just as doable.
GF.[/QUOTE]Did they look like these girls? These pics are already 4 years old but they give an impression of what coyotes can look like. However sometimes the lines between coyotes and dancers (the 'normal' gogo girls) are a little bit blurred, in the way they dress.

http://www.pattayatalk.com/
forums/topic/61598-some-photos-soi-cowboy-last-night/

I have a regular at Som's heaven but it was all closed up today with the restaurant next door taking over the area where the girls normally sat out front. I had heard some good things about the girls at Kasalomg so decided to give it a try. 12:30 there were about 5-6 ladies working. One was a real spinner. Mint turned out to be 21 going on 22 this month. Small be cup tits and a real nice ass and figure. Chose the 1,700 Baht one hour FS session which compares with Som's heaven. However it's not 700 for a BJ but now 800. The corner VIP room is very big with an old style washroom with a shower in the tub.

Started the session with a mediocre BJ. Mint said she has worked there for 1 year and has a Thai boyfriend whose in the dark. Moved to DATY and what an enjoyable site. She came very good but this seemed to tucker her out. After she exploded, we laid there a few minutes while she caught her breath. Then we moved to sex in multiple positions, cowgirl, doggy, and then mish where I finished. Mint is very tight and concerned about dick size because she is a small girl. Long brown hair down to the small of her back, so sexy. Disappointments were no BB and a little mechanical but overall worth the 1700 to look at her beautiful body.

Looks 8/10.

Body 8/10.

Service 6/10.

Repeat The jury is still out.

Kasalong is a good alternative for Som's and the girls seem a lot better than Wood Bar. More innocent lookimg and not so rough around the edges. Overall worth the 1700.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2080321]Went there today and is all closed up. Phone out of service.[/QUOTE]I just sent an SMS to Ploy at 15:00 and she said the shop is open today. The phone was not working last Saturday when I went but the shop was open. I had planned to meet a friend there after his session at 13:00 but changed my mind when I saw the lunch crowd sitting outside the shop.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2080354]Did they look like these girls? These pics are already 4 years old but they give an impression of what coyotes can look like. However sometimes the lines between coyotes and dancers (the 'normal' gogo girls) are a little bit blurred, in the way they dress.[/QUOTE]Your link did not work but I found a good representative photo. The girls never showed anything underneath and some I believe had panties on.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2080383]Your link did not work but I found a good representative photo. The girls never showed anything underneath and some I believe had panties on.[/QUOTE]My link works if you remove the space after '[URL]http://www.pattayatalk.com/[/URL]' when you have copy pasted it. I could not write the link in one line because the forum software messed it up.

Your picture is quite small but I would say she is just a normal dancer and not a coyote. But like I said: sometimes the lines are blurred.

Wanted to try a FL place. Thermae has alot of girls but I just cannot enjoy the vibe of the place. Lots of pretty girls for sure, all types, did the walk around the central bar and kept on walking. Went to beer garden on soi 7 at 8 pm or so. Spacious bar with lots of bar tops to sit at and watch the crowd. I did my own version of the hunt stroll and found a pretty MILF. I was guessing around late 20's, later found out it was mid 30's. Some of them here age very well. She was not smoking which I prefer. Having read pages and pages, most of you long timers here have your girl specs in mind. I am lucky in a sense that everyday I can desire something different. Kinda like choosing the type of food I want today. Always changing, so leaves me open to a larger pool of girls. To be honest, the selection here was not the greatest. I might have felt that tingling from only 2 or 3 girls out of 20 or more. I ordered us a beer and chatted some. Her English was passable and we seemed to click. No loud music so you can converse in a civilized tone. I just said 2 k which seems to be my go to price and she agreed. Off we go to the hotel and after a shower and snuggles, I went to DATY, and she absolutely went crazy, Seems their local boys don't give them good head. The service was in the very good category. We talked a bit more and she did not seem in a hurry to leave so invited her to have dinner with me at terminal 21. Really enjoyed the company, kinda felt like a girlfriend for a night. There are really many good options to enjoy oneself in bkk. I'm glad I don't frequent here as my bank accounts would be on the lean side.

GF.

Mogwal, the girls basically wore a bikini type outfit with a small wrap around the waist but the defining difference is they did not undress at all. Why are they there? Can they compete with the nude girls? Its just seems strange to me. But this is my first time to Asia, so many things, LOL, seems strange to me.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2080321]Went there today and is all closed up. Phone out of service.[/QUOTE]Can anyone else confirm whether it is closed for good, or just a temporary disruption? Maybe they moved to a different location?

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2080390]
Mogwal, the girls basically wore a bikini type outfit with a small wrap around the waist but the defining difference is they did not undress at all. Why are they there? Can they compete with the nude girls? Its just seems strange to me. But this is my first time to Asia, so many things, LOL, seems strange to me.[/QUOTE]I haven't visited Crazy House often enough to know the answers to your questions. However in my experience a lot of the girls there are nude but not all of them and not always. Sometimes when I was there almost all of them were nude, sometimes only a few and sometimes they were all dressed.

Anyway, the way CH is managed is quite strange sometimes. If it's managed at all LOL.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2080395]Can anyone else confirm whether it is closed for good, or just a temporary disruption? Maybe they moved to a different location?[/QUOTE]Crocodilexp, I am standing on Soi 14 next to Suda restaurant right now, roughly 7 pm on Tuesday night, and see at least 8 ladies sitting outside on Som's Havens' portch as normal. The overhead sign is all lit up to attract customers. It must have been a temporary closure.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2080395]Can anyone else confirm whether it is closed for good, or just a temporary disruption? Maybe they moved to a different location?[/QUOTE]I would bet it is forever because the mobile phone number for the shop is now out of service. There would be no reason to change that if moving locations. The other massage shop on that Soi was also closed down too. The one across from the restaurant.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2080468]I would bet it is forever because the mobile phone number for the shop is now out of service. There would be no reason to change that if moving locations. The other massage shop on that Soi was also closed down too. The one across from the restaurant.[/QUOTE]I assure you Som's is open tonight same as always.

As long as I was out on a stroll, I also decided to check out a couple of other spots for which there had been some questions, rumors and/or misinformation imparted lately; as of about 9 pm tonight, Beer Garden Soi 7 is open for business as always, no discernible change in the building, layout or customer base and ladies since this same time a year ago. And chatting with the mamasan at Wood Bar (formerly Dr. BJ's Salon) on Soi 7/1, she assures me this bar has never had a Ladyboy working there as a provider.

Again, misinformation can occur at anytime and for various reasons including the possibility of the Wood Bar mamasan misinforming me about the Ladyboy issue. Just as one of the regular working girls at Beer Garden Soi 7 misinformed me about that venue's closure supposedly scheduled for last February. I am just reporting what I have seen directly and heard from the powers that be on this particular night.

And in the case of Som's, I chatted with the lady herself and she asked me to choose a lady or two and cum inside. Or vice versa. Lol. But I had a different destination in mind for tonight so I politely declined.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2080479]I assure you Som's is open tonight same as always.

As long as I was out on a stroll, I also decided to check out a couple of other spots for which there had been some questions, rumors and/or misinformation imparted lately; as of about 9 pm tonight, Beer Garden Soi 7 is open for business as always, no discernible change in the building, layout or customer base and ladies since this same time a year ago. And chatting with the mamasan at Wood Bar (formerly Dr. BJ's Salon) on Soi 7/1, she assures me this bar has never had a Ladyboy working there as a provider.

Again, misinformation can occur at anytime and for various reasons including the possibility of the Wood Bar mamasan misinforming me about the Ladyboy issue. Just as one of the regular working girls at Beer Garden Soi 7 misinformed me about that venue's closure supposedly scheduled for last February. I am just reporting what I have seen directly and heard from the powers that be on this particular night.

And in the case of Som's, I chatted with the lady herself and she asked me to choose a lady or two and cum inside. Or vice versa. Lol. But I had a different destination in mind for tonight so I politely declined.[/QUOTE]Did you by chance ask her why thenshop was closed at 12:30 and their mobile phone is out of order? I hope you are correct because I miss my little cutie there.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2080390]Wanted to try a FL place. Thermae has alot of girls but I just cannot enjoy the vibe of the place. Lots of pretty girls for sure, all types, did the walk around the central bar and kept on walking. Went to beer garden on soi 7 at 8 pm or so. Spacious bar with lots of bar tops to sit at and watch the crowd. I did my own version of the hunt stroll and found a pretty MILF. I was guessing around late 20's, later found out it was mid 30's. Some of them here age very well. She was not smoking which I prefer. Having read pages and pages, most of you long timers here have your girl specs in mind. I am lucky in a sense that everyday I can desire something different. Kinda like choosing the type of food I want today. Always changing, so leaves me open to a larger pool of girls. To be honest, the selection here was not the greatest. I might have felt that tingling from only 2 or 3 girls out of 20 or more. I ordered us a beer and chatted some. Her English was passable and we seemed to click. No loud music so you can converse in a civilized tone. I just said 2 k which seems to be my go to price and she agreed. Off we go to the hotel and after a shower and snuggles, I went to DATY, and she absolutely went crazy, Seems their local boys don't give them good head. The service was in the very good category. We talked a bit more and she did not seem in a hurry to leave so invited her to have dinner with me at terminal 21. Really enjoyed the company, kinda felt like a girlfriend for a night. There are really many good options to enjoy oneself in bkk. I'm glad I don't frequent here as my bank accounts would be on the lean side.

GF.

Mogwal, the girls basically wore a bikini type outfit with a small wrap around the waist but the defining difference is they did not undress at all. Why are they there? Can they compete with the nude girls? Its just seems strange to me. But this is my first time to Asia, so many things, LOL, seems strange to me.[/QUOTE]Thanks really for this contribution. Like you, adn even if many laugh about that on this forum, I like soi7 beergarden. OK, never had the fuck of my life, but I have to say (and each of us has his tates, fortunately) that I am not looking for PSE, rather for GFE. In other terms, even though it sounds naïve, I go to bed with a person, not with a pussy. And this is, to me, the unique advantage of beergarden: you can discuss with any of these MILFs for long time, they will not be angry if finanly you say non and go to another one, etc. In Thermae, there is almost no discussion: you agree on price, hardly negociate what she does or not, and out for a quick ST. I like Thermae"s athmosphere I must say, but there si a bit too much "buying meat". Moreover as an older farang, most of them will, more less politely, reject me. But that's the game and we know it.

I will be in BKK Friday and Saturday: would be very happy if you could give me the name of your beergarden lady! She will probably be there.

Thanks a lot!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2080482]Did you by chance ask her why thenshop was closed at 12:30 and their mobile phone is out of order? I hope you are correct because I miss my little cutie there.[/QUOTE]I only mentioned that I'd heard the shop was closed for a while and her response was a very big "NO!" I didn't pursue it beyond that or bring in more details as though I was trying to contradict her initial response or challenge her on the facts. I have known Som a long time and prefer to just let such a forceful reply speak for itself, leave it alone and move on to other topics. If she closed for a few hours due to some personal issue or even a technical problem in terms of an electrical outage or whatever, she didn't volunteer the information and I have no interest in or reason to chase her down on it in order to get the "real scoop" on what happened. The shop was open last night as usual and that is as far as I wanted to go with it.

Her Line account is working unchanged as it has for years, but I never tried her mobile number. Maybe she is just having phone problems or changing her provider. You say 12:30, are you talking about 12:30 PM (Noon) or 12:30 AM (Midnight)? I have never gone there that early but I don't think Som's Haven usually opens as early as 12:30 PM (Noon). And, although their official closing time is 1 AM, I know they will sometimes close as early as 12:30 AM (Midnight) if they are not busy and there are no customers seen heading down that small sub soi off Soi 14 leading to the shop.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2080582]

I will be in BKK Friday and Saturday: would be very happy if you could give me the name of your beergarden lady! She will probably be there.

Thanks a lot![/QUOTE]No, I did not write down name, as I do not plan on returning for years, at least, the travel is just to far for my old bones. If they have their favorite spots to sit her's was in the middle and she has sandy brown hair. One of the few pretty ones, so that may help narrow it down some. Although everyone's view on pretty is different. I plan on taking a break from all this popping off and visit Siem Reap for a day. RT airfare last minute was like 200 us and accommodations are pretty cheap on airbnb.

Day 4 or 5, not sure, LOL.

My plan today was to do a bicycle tour with a company near Snow White massage for morning tour then visit SW afterwards. Just my luck the morning tour that day was private so missed out on that. I remembered reading about a place close by to SW that had a good thai massage at some school on soi 39. The name is like what Po but outside signage says Massage 39. You go in and they schedule you a time for your massage. I did 2 hour at 500 baht, I had many kinks to be worked out. There is a process and I stumbled through it so I will help you guys out who want to visit. First they you sit at area to have your feet washed. They take your shoes and put them in a locker. Slippers provided, a bone crusher (as I did not see any young students) walks you upstairs to the room with floor mats to perform msg. She will leave you in the cubicle to change. They hand you a tshirt to wear and as I found out later there are like pj pants in the bundle of towels you also change into. I was standing there in my undies and provide shirt when she came back. The bone crusher took a look at me and said something in Thai that made all the all masseuses laugh. She handed me the pants from the bundle. She spent like 20 min or so on each limb then moved to the back and head. There is a card she hands you with translated directions for you to use to communicate with her. Says things like hard, soft, stop, etc. Best massage for the money I have yet had. I felt like a wet noodle afterwards. She takes you back downstairs and sits you down. Wait and she will bring you tea and your shoes back. Tip her then your out the door.

Snow White is basically across Suk. Very close just have to navigate crossing the street. Remember reading a post recently recommending Candy. She was there with like 4 other girls. Not a large pool to choose from but went with her. Pretty enough, few tattoos, baby damage, but enthusiastic. Told mamasan 2 hour 2300 and off we went. She is chatting with me, speaks some English and begins by asking if I want 2 or 3 times. I said I would be happy with 2 if we can manage. So you guys that want multiple pops at msg place here is one. Room was small and basic with large shower. She washes me down then I sit and wait for BBBJ on the sofa. Great technique and almost had me go then but wanted to wait. Most of the time for me, the 2nd round is best finished with BJ. I had her any position I wanted. All of the ladies so far have been tight and she was no exception. I was worried because when she washed me she stated I was not big, LOL. Found out later on foreigners come here and not local boys. All finished bjs have been the spit out type. No swallows as of yet, but they hold it for long time and they suck you dry. Nice touch. Had my 2 pops and I was happy and walked back to Terminal 21 to see the sights a bit. Side note that huge Dinosaur exhibit on suk, I hardly see anyone in there. Seems like a money loser.

GF.

[QUOTE=Soroche;2080371]I just sent an SMS to Ploy at 15:00 and she said the shop is open today. The phone was not working last Saturday when I went but the shop was open. I had planned to meet a friend there after his session at 13:00 but changed my mind when I saw the lunch crowd sitting outside the shop.[/QUOTE]Ya, it was so strange for me yesterday. Normally the shop is open at 12:00 PM noon. I went there and the restaurant had customers sat out in front of their shop. Maybe it is opening later now. 2 PM or 3 PM. Anyways, glad of the good news as this is my favourite BJ shop with one little spinner.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2080655]Ya, it was so strange for me yesterday. Normally the shop is open at 12:00 PM noon. I went there and the restaurant had customers sat out in front of their shop. Maybe it is opening later now. 2 PM or 3 PM. Anyways, glad of the good news as this is my favourite BJ shop with one little spinner.[/QUOTE]Are you saying Suda, the restaurant right on Soi 14 a few steps down from Sukhumvit, had tables set up with customers sitting in them as far down as Som's Haven? Or are you talking about some tiny restaurant next door to Som's Haven that I have never paid attention to? Som's Haven is really far down that sub soi and away from Suda. Well, I mean you can see it from Suda. But it is several yards down that sub soi, not next door at all. Can't see how or why Suda would have customers and tables set up all the way down that soi as far as Som's Haven unless it was some kind of special event block party. Btw, Som's Haven already has 2-3 tables set up out front of the shop where the girls and sometimes customers too will sit and eat food. Food often bought and carried over from Suda I would think.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2080672]Are you saying Suda, the restaurant right on Soi 14 a few steps down from Sukhumvit, had tables set up with customers sitting in them as far down as Som's Haven? Or are you talking about some tiny restaurant next door to Som's Haven that I have never paid much attention to? That is really far down the sub soi and away from Suda. Can't see how or why Suda would have customers and tables set up all the way down that soi. Som's Haven already has a couple of tables set up out front of the shop where the girls and sometimes customers too will sit and eat food. Food often bought at Suda I would think.[/QUOTE]Me or the other member didn't walk over and ask the lunch crowd where they bought there food. It could have been from the big restaurant or a small vender, I don't know. What I do know is there were tables set up right in front of Som's heaven with customers eating.

I hope I don't break any forum rules with this post. Stickboy Bangkok just published a post from Billboard Bankok's facebook with over 1500 pics from Billboard. A lot of eye candy there!

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/stickboybangkok/posts/954662324671521[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2080674]*snip* What I do know is there were tables set up right in front of Som's heaven with customers eating.[/QUOTE]Yep, and I have been one of those customers in the past. I have gone to Som's Haven with the intention of satisfying one appetite but satisfied another either before or after going inside. I remember one night -- maybe late afternoon -- when I found the whole staff eating fish and drinking cheap Thai whiskey. I bought another bottle, sat with them for a while, and went inside with one of the ladies when we had finished the fish. Great time. I don't usually report on BJ bar adventures but I think I wrote about that visit because exactly the girl I wanted to take (Ms Am?) stood up and led me inside. Could be simple chance (odds of 1 in 10 or 12) but I think not, and I was left wondering how in hell did Som scope out my interests? Anyway, good to know the shop is still open. TTG.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2080650]No, I did not write down name, as I do not plan on returning for years, at least, the travel is just to far for my old bones. If they have their favorite spots to sit her's was in the middle and she has sandy brown hair. One of the few pretty ones, so that may help narrow it down some. Although everyone's view on pretty is different. I plan on taking a break from all this popping off and visit Siem Reap for a day. RT airfare last minute was like 200 us and accommodations are pretty cheap on airbnb.[/QUOTE]Will see. Seat of lady is irrelevant as they change all the time to be viewed from different angles. In fact, when we sit at the central bank, the relatively dim light prevents us from seing them well.

Thank you for reply, anyway.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2080652]Day 4 or 5, not sure, LOL.

My plan today was to do a bicycle tour with a company near Snow White massage for morning tour then visit SW afterwards. Just my luck the morning tour that day was private so missed out on that.

GF.[/QUOTE]Go with 'CovanKessel' tours. They are the best.

[QUOTE=DextroSol;2080731]I hope I don't break any forum rules with this post. Stickboy Bangkok just published a post from Billboard Bankok's facebook with over 1500 pics from Billboard. A lot of eye candy there!

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/stickboybangkok/posts/954662324671521[/URL][/QUOTE]I wonder which one Syzygies thinks has the best nose.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2080993]I wonder which one Syzygies thinks has the best nose.[/QUOTE]I have no Facebook Logon. LOL Anyway I know the Standard at Billboard.

Most guys see girls, very young, with nice tits in the bath and are in love. How many are actually pretty on the carosel? Not so many.

I presume so many past girls in the pics that are not there any more. Many girls did not seem to last long.

[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;2080973]Go with 'CovanKessel' tours. They are the best.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the suggestion, I would have really liked to have done one of those bike tours. Whoever is following my newbie thread, I jumped over to Siem Reap, Cambodia for a day, currently in Pattaya before heading to HCMC.

GF.

Got back from Bangkok a few weeks ago and I thought I would share my experience at The Pimp, who for those unfamiliar is what is referred to here as a "gentleman's club", or G-club as some might call it.

First off I would preface this report by saying that The Pimp is just one of several such clubs in Bangkok and I have not gone to the others yet, so I can't really compare or guarantee that you'll have a similar experience elsewhere. This is actually my second time there and to be honest I was kind of worried that the second time would not live up to the hype of the first time, but it actually exceeded my expectations and I was pleasantly surprised.

We got there around 9 pm on a Saturday night, which was actually advised to us by the mamasan because just like popular AGGs like CH, the later you go there is a higher chance that the "better" girls will have already been taken by other customers. Me and my friend got a private room that comes with a karaoke machine, nice big comfy couches, a platter of fruits, and we also bought two bottles of Johnnie Walker Black Label.

The way The Pimp is designed is it's similar to a club, where you have the main area where there is a stage where the girls dance and where sometimes there is a live band playing, and behind the main area there are a bunch of private rooms varying in sizes. However if you do go I highly suggest getting a private room because more shenanigans can be had without the rest of the club watching you, unless that's your kind of thing.

The mamasan then brought over a lineup of girls, I think there was about 20 to choose from and all of them (to me) were stunners, which made it so much harder to choose. Me and my friend made our picks and went back to the room. We played a lot of drinking games which got more fun the more drunk we got, and maybe after an hour or two of playing games and attempting (and failing) to sing Thai songs, things started to get wild with their clothes coming off, and after that it was pretty much a do-as-you-please situation short of actual sex, however I have heard stories from friends and other forums that you can get BJs while in the private rooms, but YMMV.

Later on in the night when we were quite high and tipsy, girls selling tequila shots came in and my friend in his drunken state bought them four shots each at 200 baht per shot if I'm not mistaken. Then girls dressed as geishas came in and brought us menus for Japanese food, which honestly neither of us was particularly hungry for but the girls seemed rather keen on it, which I'm guessing they might get a cut from the upsell.

The entire night was back and forth between playing drinking games, making out, grabbing, fingering, necking, singing karaoke, eating questionable (but tasty) Japanese food, and basically getting smashed, since we essentially managed to polish off two bottles of Johnnie Walker between the four of us.

Our intention was maybe to stay 3-4 hours because they charge every 30 minutes, but we ended up staying there until like 4 am. There is the option for taking them home, but you have to let the mamasan know beforehand so she can arrange a lineup of girls that will go home with you. Fair warning though, if you thought that the asking price for AGGs are expensive, taking girls home from The Pimp is considerably more, and the experience itself might not necessarily be better since this probably varies from girl to girl, but the actual experience in the club itself has been pretty consistent.

I would have loved to take mine home but I know I was too drunk to really get anything accomplished, so I wisely passed on that. My friend was a bit torn as he was feeling a bit randy but he also knew that he would be too drunk to enjoy it fully, but he asked his girl to quote a price, which she asked for 6,000 baht which does not include the barfine. This figure is negotiable, by the way, my first trip I managed to get away with 3,000 baht. However his girl was either not keen on going back with him, really needed the money, or was too drunk and needed to find a way of turning him down politely, but she basically refused to budge on the 6,000 price.

The damage that night was about 22,000 baht for both of us, not including tips to the girls, waiters, and mamasan, which I think would have amounted to 25,000. Like I said, this is a rather pricey experience and might not be everyone's cup of tea and based on what I've read, not necessarily what some forum members might consider to be a "smart" way to spend their money.

However to each their own, we all chase different experiences when it comes to the P4 P scene anyway, but if you're looking for something different from the soapies, oilies, AGGs, or FLs on WeChat, BJ bars, and so on, then this could be an alternative worth exploring if you have the cash to spare.

If anyone needs a breakdown on how they charge, let me know as this post has become way lengthier than I expected.

Hi!!

Am in BKK for only 2 days. Would like to try a 3 some in my room. I heard that most hotels would not allow 2 girls to join, only 1 (even if one books a big room). Who knows about hotels allowing 2 guests the same time? Thanks!!

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2081408]Hi!!

Am in BKK for only 2 days. Would like to try a 3 some in my room. I heard that most hotels would not allow 2 girls to join, only 1 (even if one books a big room). Who knows about hotels allowing 2 guests the same time? Thanks!![/QUOTE]I have never heard of a girl friendly hotel caring about how many girls you bring back at a time. Extra fee? Maybe. Not allow? Nonsense.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2081408]Hi!!

Am in BKK for only 2 days. Would like to try a 3 some in my room. I heard that most hotels would not allow 2 girls to join, only 1 (even if one books a big room). Who knows about hotels allowing 2 guests the same time? Thanks!![/QUOTE]Is not true that most hotels don't allow 2 girls to join you. Some hotels ask for joiner fee if you take 2 guest. Anyway I had ST 3 some at Salil Hotel in soi11 and was no problem to bring 2 girls without joiner fee. This was 3 years ago.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2081440]Is not true that most hotels don't allow 2 girls to join you. Some hotels ask for joiner fee if you take 2 guest. Anyway I had ST 3 some at Salil Hotel in soi11 and was no problem to bring 2 girls without joiner fee. This was 3 years ago.[/QUOTE]Yes, for Salil I knew, its well-known for that peculiarity. Are there other ones?

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2081408]Am in BKK for only 2 days. Would like to try a 3 some in my room. I heard that most hotels would not allow 2 girls to join, only 1 (even if one books a big room). Who knows about hotels allowing 2 guests the same time? Thanks!![/QUOTE]From my very own expericence:

- Plaza Athenee LE Meridien.

- Sofitel So.

- Grand Sukhumvit Hotel Bangkok managed by ACCOR.

- Hilton Sukhumvit.

- Westin Grand Sukhumvit.

All complete GF even for 2 girls, albeit Grand Sukhumvit was many years ago when it was still a Sofitel, maybe they have changed their policy.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2081408]Hi!!

Am in BKK for only 2 days. Would like to try a 3 some in my room. I heard that most hotels would not allow 2 girls to join, only 1 (even if one books a big room). Who knows about hotels allowing 2 guests the same time? Thanks!![/QUOTE]Get an Airbnb apartment where you can bring guests. You get much more privacy too.

[QUOTE=BlueKangaroo;2081344]Got back from Bangkok a few weeks ago and I thought I would share my experience at The Pimp, who for those unfamiliar is what is referred to here as a "gentleman's club", or G-club as some might call it.

First off I would preface this report by saying that The Pimp is just one of several such clubs in Bangkok and I have not gone to the others yet, so I can't really compare or guarantee that you'll have a similar experience elsewhere. This is actually my second time there and to be honest I was kind of worried that the second time would not live up to the hype of the first time, but it actually exceeded my expectations and I was pleasantly surprised.

We got there around 9 pm on a Saturday night, which was actually advised to us by the mamasan because just like popular AGGs like CH, the later you go there is a higher chance that the "better" girls will have already been taken by other customers. Me and my friend got a private room that comes with a karaoke machine, nice big comfy couches, a platter of fruits, and we also bought two bottles of Johnnie Walker Black Label.

The way The Pimp is designed is it's similar to a club, where you have the main area where there is a stage where the girls dance and where sometimes there is a live band playing, and behind the main area there are a bunch of private rooms varying in sizes. However if you do go I highly suggest getting a private room because more shenanigans can be had without the rest of the club watching you, unless that's your kind of thing...[/QUOTE]Nice report. The Pimp is great fun and yes the ladies are true stunners and very fun if you're mostly looking for a high end party experience and to be pampered by really hot women.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2080482]Did you by chance ask her why thenshop was closed at 12:30 and their mobile phone is out of order? I hope you are correct because I miss my little cutie there.[/QUOTE]I can also confirms its business as usual at Som's. Last session was Wednesday afternoon (2:30 pm) and good as always. There were double the number of girls for that time of the day and some new cuties.

As far as lunch tables go, this has been there for a couple of years now. The outside turns into a pop up street restaurant, though not sure who runs them. The first time I saw it, I to walked away confused. Luckily, as I was walking towards BTS, I met one of the girls by Hemingway's (it was still up then) and she led be back in from their back door. It was business as usual inside and you were still welcome to use the front door if you wanted to brave the office crowd / walk of shame I prefer the back door if around noon and front up after 2.

Can any "expert" explain to me what really differentiates something like Honey Bee Massage, which offers a full range of services including baths, nuru, and full service vs. A "soapy" like Annies? It seems soapy's only benefit is more selection (fishbowls + models). Other than that, it seems a place like Honey Bee Massage offer similar packages. What makes it a massage parlor vs. A soapy?

And an additional question regarding a service description at Honey Bee. There full service package says: "The price is All Inclusive (with a happy ending massage and full service massage)". Does this mean you get two shots (BJ in beginning and full service at end? Or are they just implying FS at the end.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2081408]Hi!!

Am in BKK for only 2 days. Would like to try a 3 some in my room. I heard that most hotels would not allow 2 girls to join, only 1 (even if one books a big room). Who knows about hotels allowing 2 guests the same time? Thanks!![/QUOTE]I took 3 girls to Admiral Premier Room. No problems. They were used to me taking multiples. I used that Hotel due to easy walking distance from the source of the girls at the time. Like Natty says, plenty of Hotels are not batting an eyelid.

[QUOTE=TimHunter;2081599]Get an Airbnb apartment where you can bring guests. You get much more privacy too.[/QUOTE]Not really. This means the neighbors have to hear loud drunk isaan working girls and their fake moaning all night. I say this because I stay in a condo and would be floored if they let these kinds of tourists rent the unit next to mine.

Just walk in with 2 girls, to your hotel. Don't over think it or you will be anxious about it. I can't recall the hotel but I did this a few years ago.

I've never had a problem taking 2 girls to my room in any of the 4 hotels I've stayed at in BKK. A couple of times the doorguy might've giving me a funny look (probably envy), but seriously, who gives a frack what he thinks.

Question about threesomes. Is everyone that partakes in the threesome usually strangers? Or do the girls usually know each other and they work as a team?

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2082031]I've never had a problem taking 2 girls to my room in any of the 4 hotels I've stayed at in BKK. A couple of times the doorguy might've giving me a funny look (probably envy), but seriously, who gives a frack what he thinks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2082036]Question about threesomes. Is everyone that partakes in the threesome usually strangers? Or do the girls usually know each other and they work as a team?[/QUOTE]I am sitting on my patio in South East Florida sipping some high quality Tequila as the outer bands of monster storm Irma occasionally blow some horizontal rain down all around me and I don't care because I dodged a bullet tonight. The eye of Irma is getting ready to pound Key West and Fort Myer more than 100 miles away. What a break for South Eastern Florida although I do feel sorry for those cats on the Gulf and I know how they feel because all week Irma was heading straight towards me until it started shifting to the west yesterday.

Threesomes:

All my threesomes are with girls who not only know each other, but are friends. It usually takes a little time for the 3 way relationship to develop and I never rush it. For example, on the 1st night that I meet an attractive girl in a Go Go or bar; I ask her over, buy her a drink, and fool around a little. Eventually her girlfriends will come over to see what's happening (ie to see if their friend has landed a blue fin tuna or a minnow) and to possibly be offered a lady drink. I am a friendly guy especially in a Go Go or club so if I like the original girl, I will offer to buy a 2nd round for the two of us plus drinks for 1 or 2 of her friends. Anyway, if all is going well I barfine the original girl and take her back to my hotel for a ST. Yada yada yada. If the session was very good I usually offer to take the girl out for dinner afterwards or suggest we go back to the bar for more drinks. Whatever else happens that is night #1. No threeway. Then sometime later, could be the next time I see the original girl or the time after that, she will offer or mention, if she is into doing threesomes, (that's very important) which of her girlfriends is up for it and there it is. Sometimes all of her friends will be up for it. 555.

I know there are more direct ways of arranging a menage a trois that take less time, but my slow method has proven itself time and time again. And my threesome relationships can last over many trips. I currently have two CH girls that I repeat with all the time and I solo them as well. I did a threesome with one of my two CH girls and her older sister twice, but older sister was not that good in bed and would not work with her younger sister eg like ride me cowgirl as her youger sister sits on my face or something like that. LOL So I cut older sister out of it although I still buy her drinks and fool around with her in Crazy House.

I have another set of great girls from Bottoms Bar in Makati, PI. It's a long and enjoyable story of how that arrangement came about. I must have told it in the Makati forum back in 2015 when I met them. Great girls. They take up a lot of my Manila time. I took them both to Sabang Beach, Palawan this last April and we had a fun time.

The point I want to make here is that threesomes are readily availalble, but I think it is best not to rush into the threesome, but rather to let it happen on its own accord or rather let the suggestion of it come from the girls. Sometimes they will offer it right away. That happened the 1st night I visited Twister after I started buying drinks for a girl I liked and then for two of her sexy little friends. All three of them danced and rubbed their bodies up against my dick in the booth and placed my hands on their breasts. I think we went 3 rounds that night. That first meeting was a fun, but rather than plunge into a threesome or foursome that night, I took my time and barfined the original girl only. Later after she proved herself to be a keeper, I asked her out for some dinner and it was her idea that we stop off at some pizza place, pick up a couple of pies, and take them back to Twister. That sounded like an interesting idea so we ended up on the veranda outside Twister and I watched my girl and her crew devour the pizzas in no time flat. While the girls were eating their pies, I was checking out which of her friends I wanted to do. And sure enough, when I returned to Twister a few days later the TWO girls were ready to go. They even had brought their bathing suits to work with them because I had mentioned the possibility of an evening pool party sometime during that 1st night. And that was the beginning of my Twister threesome #1 which later changed to include a different girlfriend as the 2nd girl. I had the feeling that I could have had threesomes with all of my little Twister's girl friends. She had 5 girlfriends dancing alongside her. I am still in Line communication with her and I look forward to more good times with her and her crew.

Ah BKK. I miss it so and I could go on reminiscing for another couple of pages, but now I want to go back to Irma and more Tequila on the patio. It is a great show! I really dodged a bullet. The aftermath of this storm will be devastating for the West Coast of Florida as it already has been for St Martin and the Bristish Virgin Islands..

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2082047]Then sometime later, could be the next time I see the original girl or the time after that, she will offer or mention, if she is into doing threesomes, (that's very important) which of her girlfriends is up for it and there it is. Sometimes all of her friends will be up for it. 555.

I know there are more direct ways of arranging a menage a trois that take less time, but my slow method has proven itself time and time again. And my threesome relationships can last over many trips. [/QUOTE]This is next level, veteran type stuff. Wow.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2082047]I am sitting on my patio in South East Florida sipping some high quality Tequila as the outer bands of monster storm Irma occasionally blow some horizontal rain down all around me and I don't care because I dodged a bullet tonight. The eye of Irma is getting ready to pound Key West and Fort Myer more than 100 miles away. What a break for South Eastern Florida although I do feel sorry for those cats on the Gulf and I know how they feel because all week Irma was heading straight towards me until it started shifting to the west yesterday.


The point I want to make here is that threesomes are readily availalble, but I think it is best not to rush into the threesome, but rather to let it happen on its own accord or rather let the suggestion of it come from the girls. [/QUOTE]God bless you NB. My prayers for those who aren't as lucky.

On threesomes, you absolutely nailed it. Never rush into it, it can go sideways very quickly and the night can be a total disaster. Now I have done very few threesomes in comparison but I tend to follow the same MO.

This is really a good lesson for noobs.

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2078337]Disclaimer: All personal opinion, with only 1 girl tried at each place, so the experience might be because of the girl.

Name was Tik (They put name of ladies on the tie). Asked "deep" loudly this time and all girls were like "Ohhhh deep work, she's the best! - turned out to be true later. (...)
Deed started. And Wow!! She was so good. Balls deep. Sloppy. Fully responsive to all requests. Also allowed to be rough. Smiling all the way. No fake moans. In fact had some genuine talk in between, when I wanted to explain what I want her to do. But man, she never said no to anything. Eager to please.[/QUOTE]To anyone who is in the deep throat thing, I kindly advise Chin-Chin from Woodbar, on Soi 7/1. I hired her several times and she is my all-time favourite. She has no gag reflex so you can literally do anything you want that you have seen in porn flix, she is the PSE kind. Deep throat, face fuck, CIM, you name it. Tough cookie. She hangs out at Woodbar quite often, she is a MILF with glasses usually sitting outside. You can see what she looks like by doing a quick search on the net, find their website, then Staff / Letter G. Damage is 1000 thb for 30 min.

Nevertheless LewisCarrol, I will try Tik and post who is the champ.

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2082036]Question about threesomes. Is everyone that partakes in the threesome usually strangers? Or do the girls usually know each other and they work as a team?[/QUOTE]Used to be easy at Suzie Wong as there were girls used to licking each other out in the lesbian show. One of the very best 'lesbians' was Dtom. She may start working in Shark shortly. Dtom has done hundreds of threesomes and reckons she is the best pussy licker in the bar. She will be able to suggest which girls are the very best for a threesome without any doubt. Patty with big bouncy double Dees (now in Shark bar) may also be able to suggest as she comes form Suzie Wong as well. Not sure though if she did the lesbian show. Her sister (real sister) was a good 3 some performer (not with Patty. Real sisters do not make sex with each other generally - friend sisters OK).

Always best to get girls used to doing threesomes and girls that are good friends. Obviously girls that dislike each other cannot work together well.

You don't want shy girls, where one will hide in the toilet while you fuck the other. That is why you need experienced girls. Ask for a sample of them molesting each other a bit in the bar if in doubt.

If they cannot tongue kiss each other and suck on the tits at least, then maybe its a fail, although maybe some bars have strict rules. Certainly not Crazy House. LOL.

BTW I cannot recommend Suzie Wong bar any more. All the good girls have left due to the new mis-management.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2082119]
You don't want shy girls, where one will hide in the toilet while you fuck the other. That is why you need experienced girls. Ask for a sample of them molesting each other a bit in the bar if in doubt.[/QUOTE]I agree Syzygies.

It appears to me that there are 3 forms of threesomes. The lowest form is what you describe above: shy or self-conscious girls resulting in successive independent sessions.

I once met this wonderful 18-year-old Pinay in a bar called One Eyed Wench in AC. Our 1st night together (LT) was really good so I made plans to see her again the next night. She then introduced me to her charming older 21-year-old cousin. The girls were really close. My girl practically begged me to barfine them both and I agreed since the cousin was pretty good looking in her own right and had an equally nice personality. So off we went. HA HA. On the way back to my hotel we stopped off at a kiosk where I bought the girls bathing suits so we could take a midnight swim. We were the only ones in the pool and our little pool party was a lot of fun. Neither girl had ever experienced a hot tub and after much coaxing the cousin joined us. She must have really liked it because after she acclimated to the water temp, she didn't want to get out. So everything was going swimmingly if you know what I mean.

But back in the room, it turned out that both girls were SHY and would not / could not engage while the other one was in the bed. Luckily, I had a corner room at the Lewis Grand with a nice balcony. So I did the younger girl first while the older cousin waited on the balcony and after I was done with the younger one, I headed to the shower for a quick rinse. When I returned to the bedroom the older cousin was lying in bed naked under the sheets with a naughty smile on her face and we became intimate while the younger girl had moved to the balcony. Then after the 2nd shag and cleanup both girls got in bed with me in the middle and we watched tv and drank Vodka & OJ until we fell asleep.

In the early morning, I woke up with a hard on. Both girls were wrapped around my body. I rolled over onto my side so my dick was up against the younger cousin's ass. I began to gently rub her while kissing her neck. She opened up her legs and I silently slid into her pussy from behind. The morning sex was great. The older cousin did not stir, apparently in sleep mode the whole time, although I wouldn't be surprised if she had known what was going on and chose not to acknowledge it. Anyway, after it was over we both went back to sleep for a few more hours. Later I took the girls to breakfast and then saw them off. I had one more "threesome" with the girls before I left for Subic. Then after I returned to AC we hooked up again two more times.

I was more into the younger cousin than the older one and successive sex is not my idea of a great threesome, but the younger girl was very attached to her cousin and the cousin was nice so I went along with the program. Prices were ridiculously low at the time as well. The EWR (early work release) which included the barfine and LT was 1800 pesos ($40) per girl at the time. I gave the girls generous tips as well. I will never forget the day we said goodbye. I was alone in the bedroom with the younger cousin. She began crying and I had to hold her and sofly kiss her tears away while trying to console her by telling her I really liked her and that I would be back to see her again. All True! But it never happened. When I returned a year later the girls were no longer at One Eyed Wench. The mamasan said they had gone back home to the provinces. But the mamasan remembered me and knew the type of girl I liked so she introduced me to another young 18-year-old who was almost the spitting image and had the same body type as my lost love. So all is well that ends well. And the cousins were great although they could have been better if they had not been so shy or self concious, but I figure that was part of their charm ie their feigned or real semi innocence. Only in the PI, LOS, Indonesia, and Cambodia. 555.

Does anyone know, how much it costs to take a girl for long time, to hotel from 'Nana' district?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2082119]Used to be easy at Suzie Wong as there were girls used to licking each other out in the lesbian show. One of the very best 'lesbians' was Dtom. She may start working in Shark shortly. Dtom has done hundreds of threesomes and reckons she is the best pussy licker in the bar. She will be able to suggest which girls are the very best for a threesome without any doubt. Patty with big bouncy double Dees (now in Shark bar) may also be able to suggest as she comes form Suzie Wong as well. Not sure though if she did the lesbian show. Her sister (real sister) was a good 3 some performer (not with Patty. Real sisters do not make sex with each other generally - friend sisters OK).

Always best to get girls used to doing threesomes and girls that are good friends. Obviously girls that dislike each other cannot work together well.

You don't want shy girls, where one will hide in the toilet while you fuck the other. That is why you need experienced girls. Ask for a sample of them molesting each other a bit in the bar if in doubt.

If they cannot tongue kiss each other and suck on the tits at least, then maybe its a fail, although maybe some bars have strict rules. Certainly not Crazy House. LOL.

BTW I cannot recommend Suzie Wong bar any more. All the good girls have left due to the new mis-management.[/QUOTE]Good points about getting experienced ladies that have friends they are comfortable working with and avoiding the shy ones. I use the PSE shops so that eliminates the shy ones. What works well for me is to ask one of my regulars if they like working with other ladies and if they they are interested in doing a threesome. I specify that I expect real lesbian action in addition to the standard PSE fare. If interested they usually suggest a friend they like to work with. As I have a history with these ladies they are already comfortable with me and know what I like so that is half the equation with the only variable being the other lady. So far this has worked quite well and I have had some great threesomes at Tulip, Mango and Bongkot and never had a bad session. The best sessions generally included a lady who is bi-sexual and has a Tom partner as these ladies really like to eat pussy and know their way around a vibrator. I like to DFK with both ladies at the same time and have one of the ladies eat the others pussy with me and also fuck each of them while they 69. Anything less is not a threesome to me. I believe that the ladies view me as as good, steady and generous customer and are eager to make me happy. It just takes a little time and generosity.

[QUOTE=JohnyJo;2082385]Does anyone know, how much it costs to take a girl for long time, to hotel from 'Nana' district?[/QUOTE]Good question. I don't think that question has ever been asked or answered. It should be a good experiment when you arrive. When you find out, please post here so we will know as well. Thanks in advance for your help.

[QUOTE=JohnyJo;2082385]Does anyone know, how much it costs to take a girl for long time, to hotel from 'Nana' district?[/QUOTE]That depends on the distance from the Nana district to your hotel.

But seriously, I'm getting more and more the feeling lately that some board members create another handle and deliberately post these kind of newbie questions with the sole purpose of annoying us.

[QUOTE=JohnyJo;2082385]Does anyone know, how much it costs to take a girl for long time, to hotel from 'Nana' district?[/QUOTE]I had the same question. Could you read the forum and let me know the answer? I'm too busy shagging a girl from Nana district at a hotel.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2082585]That depends on the distance from the Nana district to your hotel.

But seriously, I'm getting more and more the feeling lately that some board members create another handle and deliberately post these kind of newbie questions with the sole purpose of annoying us.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for your reply, was very helpful.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2082614]I had the same question. Could you read the forum and let me know the answer? I'm too busy shagging a girl from Nana district at a hotel.[/QUOTE]2500-3000 THB for bar and tip for "long time hanging out" is negotiable. But usually the same as the bar fine. You can usually talk them way down from that though. Just remember, you're not paying them for spending time with you. You're paying them to leave. Quietly.

[QUOTE=LordBastian;2082619]2500-3000 THB for bar and tip for "long time hanging out" is negotiable. But usually the same as the bar fine. You can usually talk them way down from that though. Just remember, you're not paying them for spending time with you. You're paying them to leave. Quietly.[/QUOTE]Dude. I guess you didn't understand me post. LOL.

[QUOTE=LordBastian;2082619]2500-3000 THB for bar and tip for "long time hanging out" is negotiable. But usually the same as the bar fine. You can usually talk them way down from that though. Just remember, you're not paying them for spending time with you. You're paying them to leave. Quietly.[/QUOTE]LOL, here we go! Do we have any takers?

[QUOTE=JohnyJo;2082385]Does anyone know, how much it costs to take a girl for long time, to hotel from 'Nana' district?[/QUOTE]Yes thanks.

Never been ina gogobar looking for your advice what area to focus for a 2 days layover.

[QUOTE=Sobaje;2082717]Never been ina gogobar looking for your advice what area to focus for a 2 days layover.[/QUOTE]Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=Sobaje;2082717]Never been ina gogobar looking for your advice what area to focus for a 2 days layover.[/QUOTE]Spend one night at Soi Cowboy and one night at Nana Plaza. Choose a hotel in between (they are 25-30 minutes walking distance from one another) and you can actually go back and forth each night if desired. It also allows you to visit Thermae, various after-hours clubs, BJ bars, etc. Very easily. This is a highly trafficked tourist area as well so good for a comfortable layover.

[QUOTE=LordBastian;2082619]2500-3000 THB for bar and tip for "long time hanging out" is negotiable. But usually the same as the bar fine. You can usually talk them way down from that though. Just remember, you're not paying them for spending time with you. You're paying them to leave. Quietly.[/QUOTE]I guess you haven't been to Thailand for quite a few years then. There is no BF for street walkers.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2082828]There is no BF for street walkers.[/QUOTE]Damn, I've been getting ripped off then. I have been meeting girls in the streets, then walking into the nearest bar and handing the mamasan there 700 baht.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2082828]I guess you haven't been to Thailand for quite a few years then. There is no BF for street walkers.[/QUOTE]Actually, LordBastian's reply was accurate if we're talking about the Coyote girls working at places like Coyboy2 Bar on Soi Cowboy and a few others. But for most other girls there and other bars the barfine part of it is much less than those amounts. On the other hand, I don't think there was ever a time even in the distant past when a barfine was required to take a freelancer off the street.

Come to think of it, the original poster posing the question did not stipulate which P4P method he was referring to or any P4P method at all for that matter. So I suppose it is possible he was talking about joiner fees at the hotel even in the case of taking a girl there he met on ThaiFriendly or at the mall who is not expecting to get paid directly for sex at all.

I would simply ask him those questions in order to shake out the vagueness of his post and gain clarity but I fear infringing on his personal bias on such definitions merely to cater to my own extreme conclusion desires.

[QUOTE=TheManMan;2081741]Can any "expert" explain to me what really differentiates something like Honey Bee Massage, which offers a full range of services including baths, nuru, and full service vs. A "soapy" like Annies? It seems soapy's only benefit is more selection (fishbowls + models). Other than that, it seems a place like Honey Bee Massage offer similar packages. What makes it a massage parlor vs. A soapy?

And an additional question regarding a service description at Honey Bee. There full service package says: "The price is All Inclusive (with a happy ending massage and full service massage)". Does this mean you get two shots (BJ in beginning and full service at end? Or are they just implying FS at the end.[/QUOTE]The general idea is the same. Offer massage services but it's all just a front for sex. This new expansive massage menu gimmick that the newer shops use is a way to set prices for various options but when you go to the shop they more or less present it as either HJ. BJ - FS with each having a different price level. Of course they also have all inclusive options that are supposed to mean multiple shots but I've found that majority of the ladies are not as eager to do so and will not make an effort to go the extra mile like the old school MPs. If you want more than one you have to be a little pushy and make sure you tell them upfront.

The service itself is also not PSE or even GFE in most cases. Its often quite clinical but YMMV.

The ladies working at the new shops do tend to be a little younger and there are a few cuties but not enough to make up for the difference in experience.

[QUOTE=TheManMan;2081741]Can any "expert" explain to me what really differentiates something like Honey Bee Massage, which offers a full range of services including baths, nuru, and full service vs. A "soapy" like Annies? It seems soapy's only benefit is more selection (fishbowls + models). Other than that, it seems a place like Honey Bee Massage offer similar packages. What makes it a massage parlor ...[/QUOTE]The difference between a Soapy and an Oily is perfextly blurred by Annies, hardly a true traditional Soapy.

True Annies has the famous Soapy style aquarium filled with ladies, but no it is wrong. In a true soapy you should be able ti view ladies behind the glass for as long as you like, or view sideline ladies seated on couches. In Annies the girls are called to the line uo more briefly just like in an Oily MP.

Soapies have large bedrooms with a large bath. Annies has small cramped rooms like an Oily.

In a large scale soapy you can sit and eat possibly with a girl for somw time before going to a room. Not in Oilies or Annies.

In soapies the girl wastes a lot if time cleaning you in the bath. This is unlikely in an Oily. In annies I am not sure.

Most Soapies don't provide much of a massage unless you chose a girl from the Booran ancient healing amssage section.

A lot of oilies these days can provide a soapy bath or body slide experience so the differences dim.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2083190]The difference between a Soapy and an Oily is perfextly blurred by Annies, hardly a true traditional Soapy.

True Annies has the famous Soapy style aquarium filled with ladies, but no it is wrong. In a true soapy you should be able ti view ladies behind the glass for as long as you like, or view sideline ladies seated on couches. In Annies the girls are called to the line uo more briefly just like in an Oily MP.[/QUOTE]Can any experts recommend a nice fishbowl location (unlike Annie's) where there isn't a rush (like the old lady manager at Annie's). A fishbow with a decent amount of ladies in them? I'd like to sit and enjoy the view before I make a selection. I'm sure others will agree that's part of the fun right?

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2083293]Can any experts recommend a nice fishbowl location (unlike Annie's) where there isn't a rush (like the old lady manager at Annie's). A fishbow with a decent amount of ladies in them? I'd like to sit and enjoy the view before I make a selection. I'm sure others will agree that's part of the fun right?[/QUOTE]Head up to Ratchada. There are not really fishbowls anymore but many of the shops such as Merci have a lounge to sit and relax with a drink while you think and decide who and what to take. Annie's has such a small lobby, that is the main reason you are pushed to choose. Next time, try sitting at the small bar and order a drink.

What I've noticed about the different places is that the girls must sit contently in the viewing area (fish bowl) at all the soapies / massage places. Sit straight up like ladies. On the other hand, the Annie's girls are aloud to sleep, watch TV, eat, or do whatever. When a customer is seen coming up the stairs, the downstairs guy rings the buzzer and they all rush to go sit in the fish bowl. This is another main reason it seems yiu are hurried to choose.

I typically do this every 2 months when I can take a day or 2 off from work. This time the binge started at 1:30 AM on Tuesday morning.

Headed over to T-Det on Saphan Kwai. They are supposed to close at 2 AM but they turn the outside lights off and continue to oeprate. On this night there were about 30 girls. I chose WA Wa. This girl has worked in Hong Kong before in those hotels where punters can visit for 600 HKD (3,000 Baht) a pop. Her English was quite good so we got along nicely. Beautiful ass, blond dyed hair and nice bolt ONS. We flirted a little over beer and frenchfries and left about 3 AM. For others, the place was still going strong but you never know, on any given night the army or police will swoop in and force them to close. Back in the room she was a little shy. She told me it was because she was drunk. In HK, she never had to drink so she was not used to it and it was taking its toll. This started to worry me because in Sephan Kwai you must pay the bar the full fee. There is no bar fine and the lady gets all the money unless she wants to share some with the momason who introduced her to you. 2,500. Anyways, after her shower she came around and we had a very good session. Lots of positions and a good BBBJ. She had such a beautiful ass. 200 Baht taxi and I sent her on her way. She would have stayed the night but I had to wake up for a quick meeting at 7. There were good signs of a second pop in the morning if others are interested. This depends on the girl and YMMV. The girls can change here on any given day and they don't have numbers. So it's a crap shoot of who you will see on any given day. I like this.

Woke up at 7, showered and headed to my meeting. Finished, went to IHOP at Siam Paragon to refuel and headed for a massage. First, I went to check out Soi 24/1. It was dead at 12:00 noon. Only a few shops with girls but nothing caught my eye. I rounded the corner onto to Soi 26 and into SW. I must say, I was actually disgusted with the 7 girl line up. Not one girl was doable in my books. Next stop Soi 24. Only one shop was open, Mango. I did not venture inside since the 2 girls out front were horribly ugly. I then moved onto to Som's Heaven. It was almost 2. I just now realized they open at exactly 2 PM and before then, the next door restaurant uses the area for extra tables for their customers. The one thing I never like about this place is the walk of shame past all the eaters and tourists. I always look down the Soi 1st to see if I can spot any talent or my regular. This day I could not. Next time I will ask if I can use their back entrance as It would really make my life easier. At this point I was starting to give up on the idea of a massage so I headed to Soi 4 for a drink in hopes of pulling someone from one of the many beer bars. Alas, all I ended up with was heartburn from my Bacardi breezer. All the girls were old hags. Headed over to Soi 7 to check out the beer garden. Yes folks, the Soi 7 beer garden is still going strong. Next door everything is demolished but they some how have avoided being shut down. However, I wish they would because there was absolutely nothing doable inside. Onto Soi 7/1. Also nothing doable at Eden or wood bar or the other 2 noname shops. Arrived at Chrome bar to find only 4 ladies. I really felt like relaxing so opted for a Nauru in the VIP room with Fah, 2 hours for 3000 Baht. The room was ok with a bed, shower, and area for the mattress and nuru massage. Oh boy, can this girl talk. Nice little spinner body, bolt on tits but she does does not stop talking. Gentlemen, if you see her, don't let her know if you can speak Thai. Anyways, I pushed forward and finally got to the main event. The sex was quite good with multiple positions and ended with the two of us cumming together as I stimulated her clit while fucking her in miss. At this point I was exhausted from all the walking and more from her talking. She went on about everything, her cheating boyfriend, old job, parents, child, everything. Anyways, so we cleaned and and over to the bed for the last hour. I asked for a massage. Then as she talked and talked and talked I tuned her out and just enjoyed the massage for the last hour. She gave me another BBBJ too.

Next off to recharge my batteries again so I went for a beef pie and mashed over on Soi 23. Once finished, headed in CH. By this time It was about 7 PM. That's right, it's open that early guys. There were about 7 ladies on stage. I prefer this because the calm before the storm is much easier to navigate. There was a little short spinner on stage, her name was Oom. She came over and introduced her self on the way out of the change room fully naked! She did not even put her number on. I kept thinking I lucked out. My plan was to get her out of there before the madness begins so she wouldn't get distracted by all the other punters, dancing, LD, and annoying servers and Moma sons. Bought her 2 LDs and agreed 5 LT from the now 8 PM to 4 AM the next morning. I picked her early so I didn't complain. Let's just say the next 7 hours was pure bliss. Full on PSE / GFE o holds barred action. Lots of DFK, dirty talk, and BB action. Nice see cup tits that looked real but she said we're not. She really enjoys DATY and I couldn't Resort licking her non stop. After 3 pops, I let her go around 3. A little early but I couldn't do anymore, I was spent.

[QUOTE=Sobaje;2082717]Never been ina gogobar looking for your advice what area to focus for a 2 days layover.[/QUOTE]There are 3 main areas, Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, and Patpong. Situate your hotel between Soi 4 and Soi 23. Do one night at Soi Cowboy and another at Nana or switch it up each night by spending a few hours at each location. If I were young the 1st. On the first day, do 1ST at each and then choose a LT from either location to close your night. Repaeat again on the second day. In the past, imahabe often gone back and forth between Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy 2-3 times. They are really not that far apart and can be gotten to by motorcycle taxi very quickly.

[QUOTE=JohnyJo;2082385]Does anyone know, how much it costs to take a girl for long time, to hotel from 'Nana' district?[/QUOTE]Hi, you are new to this forum, and maybe you are new to how to use a forum too. If you read the last 2 or 3 pages of this forum, you'll get the answer. A little homework will give you great knowledge from others experience.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2082921]Damn, I've been getting ripped off then. I have been meeting girls in the streets, then walking into the nearest bar and handing the mamasan there 700 baht.[/QUOTE]You have been getting ripped off, I only give 500 baht to the nearest food cart lady.

Many people have been talking about this and discussing whether or not it's a good way to meet girl for P4 P. Most talk about trying to set things up before you come to Bangkok. Well this works for the non P4 P girls, but what about the FLs? Frankly, most won't entertain a discussion with you until your on the ground. So for the FL girls, just message them 1 hour before. A premium membership is a must to eliminate the 10 minute wait time between messages and you will have access to the most popular girls that get too many messages. Anyways, here's my experience from tonight. Searched ladies 18-24 in Bangkok after midnight. Here's how the conversation went:

A. Where are you now?

B. My room.

A. Do you want to come my room?

B. How much will you give me?

A. How much do you want?

Be. 2,500 Baht ST.

A. Ok.

B. When do you want to see me?

A. Now.

B. Where do you stay?

30 minutes later, little 20 year old Da Da was in my bed. What a site. She brought her university uniform to model for me. What a true GFE. Multiple positions, very vocal, a lot of DFK, and no mention of a cover. Natural C cups, beautiful tanned skin, decent English skills, just a real sweetheart. We banged for a good 90 minutes. She rode cowgirl like a champ and she's multi orgasmic so for those of you who think TF is a waste of time, please remember these main points.

1. Search in the late evening.

2. Buy premium.

3. Be direct and polite.

4. Send messages to profiles without long profile notes. The P4 P girls will not bother writing anything of substance. Mine tonight wrote:

Who is interested in this student?

Photo from her TF profile attached.

If any well respected senior would like her contact, I'd be happy to oblige. If you don't post on the Thailand forum, then forget it.

I downloaded an app to learn some Thai phrases. Related to mongering of course, and was having some fun putting them together. Of course I know I'll get flamed for this but, please feel free to correct as much as you can, because it'll be fun to converse to some degree in Thai for negotiations. The pronunciations are simply how I PERSONALY was trying to sound out the word and not a literal spelling or pronunciation.

Yeow Way-Lah (Long Time).

San Way-Lah (Short Time).

Ch-eye (Yes).

My (No).

Sahn fan Baht (Two thousand Baht).

Sahn fan ha rye Baht (Two thousand five hundred Baht).

Som fan Baht (Three thousand Baht).

Som fan ha rye Baht (Three thousand five hundred Baht).

Ribid na-an (Blow Job).

Thung Yang (Condom).

Room fee Thang ta-wan knock (Anal Sex).

Ma (Come / Cum).

Ma Nigh Pak (Cum in mouth).

Leah [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] (Lick pussy).

Gon Sa-weck kwam cry (Orgasm).

Krang ning (Once).

Song krang (Twice).

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2083633]I downloaded an app to learn some Thai phrases. Related to mongering of course, and was having some fun putting them together. Of course I know I'll get flamed for this but, please feel free to correct as much as you can, because it'll be fun to converse to some degree in Thai for negotiations. The pronunciations are simply how I PERSONALY was trying to sound out the word and not a literal spelling or pronunciation.

Yeow Way-Lah (Long Time).

San Way-Lah (Short Time).

Ch-eye (Yes).

My (No).

Sahn fan Baht (Two thousand Baht).

Sahn fan ha rye Baht (Two thousand five hundred Baht).

Som fan Baht (Three thousand Baht)..[/QUOTE]Syggs will be all over this. Be patient and he will help you out by correcting some of it. He is the resident Thai expert. You should check out his under blog in the bottom section too.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2083634]Syggs will be all over this. Be patient and he will help you out by correcting some of it. He is the resident Thai expert. You should check out his under blog in the bottom section too.[/QUOTE]Ah. Cool, thanks!

[QUOTE=Sobaje;2082717]Never been ina gogobar looking for your advice what area to focus for a 2 days layover.[/QUOTE]Star of light is a must see.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2083630] so for those of you who think TF is a waste of time, please remember these main points.[/QUOTE]Great report Dog. I recently visited Pattaya and over a 8 day period had 3 girls I interacted with on TF come over. Each of them were very good and I paid between 1000 to 1500. I had a free account though and the only pain is to wait for a long time between messages. But I usually move the conversation to Line in the first two messages. And I am patient.

I completely agree that TF can be a goldmine if you push the right buttons.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2083633]I downloaded an app to learn some Thai phrases. Related to mongering of course, and was having some fun putting them together. Of course I know I'll get flamed for this but, please feel free to correct as much as you can, because it'll be fun to converse to some degree in Thai for negotiations. The pronunciations are simply how I PERSONALY was trying to sound out the word and not a literal spelling or pronunciation..[/QUOTE]You're not going to go far with this.

As an example a long period of time would be used by the word naan. A short period of time would be mai naan. The word thousand starts with the letter p and would sound something like prann.

I've never heard the word you used for blow job, one easy way would be to say eat here by using the words keen thee nee and pointing to your tool. The same would apply if you want to eat her.

To put the condom on would be sai thoong, and CIM would be set sai paak. Anal sex would be ao toot, once is krang nung.

All these are already written in Sizigy's blog on this site.

My advice for anyone trying to learn Thai is to learn with a real teacher first for 20 hours to understand the very important basics and then you can learn by yourself.

I doubt that anyone could understand you if you start learning by yourself.

On my recent rounds I've been chatting with the girls on the variety of services they provide.

Although knowing their earnings will increase in line with what they are willing to include in their profile all said there were some services they would never give, anal CIM BBFS among the more frequent no numbers.

Understandable and nothing strange there but more interesting was a service that a lot agreed they provide but really disliked giving. DFK and customers who insist on sticking their tongue in their mouth are among their greatest turn offs.

In fact I found no girl who said she actually enjoyed it but agreed GFE was expected by a lot of customers and so they go along with it.

It reminded me of a film from way back maybe it was Klute where a working girl played by Jane Fonda said she never kisses a John explaining it was too intimate. You can fuck me, I'll blow you but sorry no kissing it's too intimate.

I love kissing but only with my regulars. If I'm with a new girl and she kisses me I respond but more often than not quickly quit as it's not adding any real pleasure to the session.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2083633]The pronunciations are simply how I PERSONALY was trying to sound out the word and not a literal spelling or pronunciation.
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With all due respect, may well have written them in Cyrillic. I've seen some bad transliterations in my time, but this takes the cake: "sahn" for 2 and "som" for 3, "fan" for 1000, really? Better not bother posting this, lest someone try to use it.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2083633]I downloaded an app to learn some Thai phrases. Related to mongering of course, and was having some fun putting them together. Of course I know I'll get flamed for this but, please feel free to correct as much as you can, because it'll be fun to converse to some degree in Thai for negotiations. The pronunciations are simply how I PERSONALY was trying to sound out the word and not a literal spelling or pronunciation.

Yeow Way-Lah (Long Time).

San Way-Lah (Short Time).

Ch-eye (Yes).

My (No).

Sahn fan Baht (Two thousand Baht).

Sahn fan ha rye Baht (Two thousand five hundred Baht).

Som fan Baht (Three thousand Baht).

Som fan ha rye Baht (Three thousand five hundred Baht).

Ribid na-an (Blow Job).

Thung Yang (Condom).

Room fee Thang ta-wan knock (Anal Sex).

Ma (Come / Cum).

Ma Nigh Pak (Cum in mouth).

Leah (Lick pussy).

Gon Sa-weck kwam cry (Orgasm).

Krang ning (Once).

Song krang (Twice).[/QUOTE]Ha ha. You fucked up a few of them. Yeow means to take a leak, yao means long. Adjectives have to come after the noun.

Maa means to come to a place or person but certainly does not mean to cum. That does not work at all.

Use 'set' for cum as it literally means to finish.

I don't understand your anal sex one at all. Nor the blow job one.

Better get a bargirl to teach you the dirty stuff instead of inventing yourself.

Champ you are a machine man.

Loved reading your entire show, thanks!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2083324]I typically do this every 2 months when I can take a day or 2 off from work. This time the binge started at 1:30 AM on Tuesday morning.

Headed over to T-Det on Saphan Kwai. They are supposed to close at 2 AM but they turn the outside lights off and continue to oeprate. On this night there were about 30 girls. I chose WA Wa. This girl has worked in Hong Kong before in those hotels where punters can visit for 600 HKD (3,000 Baht) a pop. Her English was quite good so we got along nicely. Beautiful ass, blond dyed hair and nice bolt ONS. We flirted a little over beer and frenchfries and left about 3 AM. For others, the place was still going strong but you never know, on any given night the army or police will swoop in and force them to close. Back in the room she was a little shy. She told me it was because she was drunk. In HK, she never had to drink so she was not used to it and it was taking its toll. This started to worry me because in Sephan Kwai you must pay the bar the full fee. There is no bar fine and the lady gets all the money unless she wants to share some with the momason who introduced her to you. 2,500. Anyways, after her shower she came around and we had a very good session. Lots of positions and a good BBBJ. She had such a beautiful ass. 200 Baht taxi and I sent her on her way. She would have stayed the night but I had to wake up for a quick meeting at 7. There were good signs of a second pop in the morning if others are interested. This depends on the girl and YMMV. The girls can change here on any given day and they don't have numbers. So it's a crap shoot of who you will see on any given day. I like this.

Woke up at 7, showered and headed to my meeting. Finished, went to IHOP at Siam Paragon to refuel and headed for a massage. First, I went to check out Soi 24/1. It was dead at 12:00 noon. Only a few shops with girls but nothing caught my eye. I rounded the corner onto to Soi 26 and into SW. I must say, I was actually disgusted with the 7 girl line up. Not one girl was doable in my books. Next stop Soi 24. Only one shop was open, Mango. I did not venture inside since the 2 girls out front were horribly ugly. I then moved onto to Som's Heaven. It was almost 2. I just now realized they open at exactly 2 PM and before then, the next door restaurant uses the area for extra tables for their customers. The one thing I never like about this place is the walk of shame past all the eaters and tourists. I always look down the Soi 1st to see if I can spot any talent or my regular. This day I could not. Next time I will ask if I can use their back entrance as It would really make my life easier. At this point I was starting to give up on the idea of a massage so I headed to Soi 4 for a drink in hopes of pulling someone from one of the many beer bars. Alas, all I ended up with was heartburn from my Bacardi breezer. All the girls were old hags. Headed over to Soi 7 to check out the beer garden. Yes folks, the Soi 7 beer garden is still going strong. Next door everything is demolished but they some how have avoided being shut down. However, I wish they would because there was absolutely nothing doable inside. Onto Soi 7/1. Also nothing doable at Eden or wood bar or the other 2 noname shops. Arrived at Chrome bar to find only 4 ladies. I really felt like relaxing so opted for a Nauru in the VIP room with Fah, 2 hours for 3000 Baht. The room was ok with a bed, shower, and area for the mattress and nuru massage. Oh boy, can this girl talk. Nice little spinner body, bolt on tits but she does does not stop talking. Gentlemen, if you see her, don't let her know if you can speak Thai. Anyways, I pushed forward and finally got to the main event. The sex was quite good with multiple positions and ended with the two of us cumming together as I stimulated her clit while fucking her in miss. At this point I was exhausted from all the walking and more from her talking. She went on about everything, her cheating boyfriend, old job, parents, child, everything. Anyways, so we cleaned and and over to the bed for the last hour. I asked for a massage. Then as she talked and talked and talked I tuned her out and just enjoyed the massage for the last hour. She gave me another BBBJ too.

Next off to recharge my batteries again so I went for a beef pie and mashed over on Soi 23. Once finished, headed in CH. By this time It was about 7 PM. That's right, it's open that early guys. There were about 7 ladies on stage. I prefer this because the calm before the storm is much easier to navigate. There was a little short spinner on stage, her name was Oom. She came over and introduced her self on the way out of the change room fully naked! She did not even put her number on. I kept thinking I lucked out. My plan was to get her out of there before the madness begins so she wouldn't get distracted by all the other punters, dancing, LD, and annoying servers and Moma sons. Bought her 2 LDs and agreed 5 LT from the now 8 PM to 4 AM the next morning. I picked her early so I didn't complain. Let's just say the next 7 hours was pure bliss. Full on PSE / GFE o holds barred action. Lots of DFK, dirty talk, and BB action. Nice see cup tits that looked real but she said we're not. She really enjoys DATY and I couldn't Resort licking her non stop. After 3 pops, I let her go around 3. A little early but I couldn't do anymore, I was spent.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2083772] If I'm with a new girl and she kisses me I respond but more often than not quickly quit as it's not adding any real pleasure to the session.[/QUOTE]If DFK is not on the menu, it's kind of a deal killer for me. I think it is an essential part of a good session. Sadly so many Thai gal are just not that crazy about sex in the first place. Your report of many not liking to kiss is not surprising. They are also extremely "jizzphobic" as well.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2084201]If DFK is not on the menu, it's kind of a deal killer for me. I think it is an essential part of a good session. [/QUOTE]I try to make it a rule to never DFK any working girl. These girls don't exactly have the cleanest mouths. That reminds me of something I found a bit surprising one time I went to Akane massage on soi 33. For those who do not know, Akane is a sex massage place where the girls specialize in sticking their tongue up every man's ass who comes in there and giving all of their customers an excellent and thorough rimming. It's just understood that is standard and part of the massage at that place. I had just finished a session with a nice girl who spent a good majority of the session with her tongue up my ass. As I was walking out, I spotted my favorite girl there who had been busy earlier, so I stopped to chat with her a bit. After we finished chatting I paid the bill and turned around to see the girl I had just had the session with sitting on the couch with an overweight Indian guy. They were engaged in DFK on the couch. Suffice it to say, I had a good chuckle as I exited the establishment.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2084247]I try to make it a rule to never DFK any working girl. These girls don't exactly have the cleanest mouths. That reminds me of something I found a bit surprising one time I went to Akane massage on soi 33. For those who do not know, Akane is a sex massage place where the girls specialize in sticking their tongue up every man's ass who comes in there and giving all of their customers an excellent and thorough rimming. It's just understood that is standard and part of the massage at that place. I had just finished a session with a nice girl who spent a good majority of the session with her tongue up my ass. As I was walking out, I spotted my favorite girl there who had been busy earlier, so I stopped to chat with her a bit. After we finished chatting I paid the bill and turned around to see the girl I had just had the session with sitting on the couch with an overweight Indian guy. They were engaged in DFK on the couch. Suffice it to say, I had a good chuckle as I exited the establishment.[/QUOTE]This is also why I don't do rimming.

I know a couple of long time mongers and both have the herp of the bum because of this.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2083324]I typically do this every 2 months when I can take a day or 2 off from work. This time the binge started at 1:30 AM on Tuesday morning.

.[/QUOTE]Great report BkkDog. You are a marathon man. To do 5 pops in such a short span is unthinkable for me. If I ever manage to do that I would be out cold for the next couple of days. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2084247]I try to make it a rule to never DFK any working girl. These girls don't exactly have the cleanest mouths. That reminds me of something I found a bit surprising one time I went to Akane massage on soi 33. For those who do not know, Akane is a sex massage place where the girls specialize in sticking their tongue up every man's ass who comes in there and giving all of their customers an excellent and thorough rimming. It's just understood that is standard and part of the massage at that place. I had just finished a session with a nice girl who spent a good majority of the session with her tongue up my ass. As I was walking out, I spotted my favorite girl there who had been busy earlier, so I stopped to chat with her a bit. After we finished chatting I paid the bill and turned around to see the girl I had just had the session with sitting on the couch with an overweight Indian guy. They were engaged in DFK on the couch. Suffice it to say, I had a good chuckle as I exited the establishment.[/QUOTE]I. thought they use mouthwash soution prior and after the session?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2084247]I try to make it a rule to never DFK any working girl. These girls don't exactly have the cleanest mouths. That reminds me of something I found a bit surprising one time I went to Akane massage on soi 33. For those who do not know, Akane is a sex massage place where the girls specialize in sticking their tongue up every man's ass who comes in there and giving all of their customers an excellent and thorough rimming. It's just understood that is standard and part of the massage at that place. I had just finished a session with a nice girl who spent a good majority of the session with her tongue up my ass. As I was walking out, I spotted my favorite girl there who had been busy earlier, so I stopped to chat with her a bit. After we finished chatting I paid the bill and turned around to see the girl I had just had the session with sitting on the couch with an overweight Indian guy. They were engaged in DFK on the couch. Suffice it to say, I had a good chuckle as I exited the establishment.[/QUOTE]Did you chuckle again the next time she licked the tip of your dick or deep into your ass and likely deposited a fresh dollop of overweight Indian guy saliva there? Hehe.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2084280]Did you chuckle again the next time she licked the tip of your dick or deep into your ass and likely deposited a fresh dollop of overweight Indian guy saliva there? Hehe.[/QUOTE]Things that make you go hmmm. Both of you guys, and Goat, have great points.

Reminds me, I need to buy some more Listerine for the girls. I generally don't kiss them either, but I still like them the smell fresh. LOL.

Thanks bkkdog, where is ratchada? I see it's a massage soapie, but is it in sukhumvit? I always thought Bkk was known for the fishbowl experience... its sad there's only one left?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2083308]Head up to Ratchada. There are not really fishbowls anymore but many of the shops such as Merci have a lounge to sit and relax with a drink while you think and decide who and what to take. Annie's has such a small lobby, that is the main reason you are pushed to choose. Next time, try sitting at the small bar and order a drink.

What I've noticed about the different places is that the girls must sit contently in the viewing area (fish bowl) at all the soapies / massage places. Sit straight up like ladies. On the other hand, the Annie's girls are aloud to sleep, watch TV, eat, or do whatever. When a customer is seen coming up the stairs, the downstairs guy rings the buzzer and they all rush to go sit in the fish bowl. This is another main reason it seems yiu are hurried to choose.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2084280]Did you chuckle again the next time she licked the tip of your dick or deep into your ass and likely deposited a fresh dollop of overweight Indian guy saliva there? Hehe.[/QUOTE]Doesn't seem nearly as personal as a mouthful of another guy's ass.

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2084301]Thanks bkkdog, where is ratchada? I see it's a massage soapie, but is it in sukhumvit? I always thought Bkk was known for the fishbowl experience... its sad there's only one left?[/QUOTE]Ratchada is a road in Bangkok with many massage shops. They are very big. Some with fish bowls but with no glass. And some with. Others just have the ladies sitting on chairs such as Ocean massage. Also Rama 9 just around the corner past Central Rama 9.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2084247]I try to make it a rule to never DFK any working girl. These girls don't exactly have the cleanest mouths. That reminds me of something I found a bit surprising one time I went to Akane massage on soi 33. For those who do not know, Akane is a sex massage place where the girls specialize in sticking their tongue up every man's ass who comes in there and giving all of their customers an excellent and thorough rimming. It's just understood that is standard and part of the massage at that place. I had just finished a session with a nice girl who spent a good majority of the session with her tongue up my ass. As I was walking out, I spotted my favorite girl there who had been busy earlier, so I stopped to chat with her a bit. After we finished chatting I paid the bill and turned around to see the girl I had just had the session with sitting on the couch with an overweight Indian guy. They were engaged in DFK on the couch. Suffice it to say, I had a good chuckle as I exited the establishment.[/QUOTE]Quick shower and a shot of mouthwash and she's good as new. Might as well be a virgin.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2084247]For those who do not know, Akane is a sex massage place where the girls specialize in sticking their tongue up every man's ass who comes in there and giving all of their customers an excellent and thorough rimming. It's just understood that is standard and part of the massage at that place. I had just finished a session with a nice girl who spent a good majority of the session with her tongue up my ass.[/QUOTE]FWIW and no first hand experience, but this place also has Rimming (HJ, BJ, Rimming) on the services menu: [URL]http://www.sensualmassagebangkok.com/services/[/URL].

SL.

FYI. Tax hike set for tomorrow. Anyone living here and for those that will be here for another few weeks might want to consider going out to get your favorite drinks for your condo or guest house before midnight. I just went to my go-to place for Whiskey and wine, and they told me about the rate increase effective tomorrow. Tax rate will be 430 baht per litre. It's not going to break the bank, but for guys here for long terms, you can save some money.

[URL]https://news.lovepattayathailand.com/national/new-tax-rates-cigarettes-alcohol-not-good/[/URL]

For my fist come back in 20 years in Bangkok I got a fairly good deal.

But in fact I don't know if must be happy or shameful.

Body: 6.

Face: 6.

Attitude: 5.

Age 23.

Quality / price: 12.

Dommage: 500 bath ST.

I meet this semi pro freelancer in soi nana and in fact I didnot have money to spend. She ask me for 1000ST I tell I didnot have this monney she look a bit desesperate and she propose me 500.

As I not really want to go I begin to negotiate BBBJ: ok Rimjob: OK DATY: OK come with facial ok the deal was near perfect but with the ST room the price was too much for me today but ultimately she propose to me to use her room so I cannot refuse anymore.

The attitude was far of perfect because she was not very happy with her deal but in the end she do a little reluctantely everything she promised but this ti.

As the end she tell me she work like this only sometimes but today she need 4000 bath before Monday evening.

So this very unbalanced negociation between she who must accpet everything and me who in fact not wanted to go give this weird deal.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2084665]FYI. Tax hike set for tomorrow. Anyone living here and for those that will be here for another few weeks might want to consider going out to get your favorite drinks for your condo or guest house before midnight. I just went to my go-to place for Whiskey and wine, and they told me about the rate increase effective tomorrow. Tax rate will be 430 baht per litre. It's not going to break the bank, but for guys here for long terms, you can save some money.

[URL]https://news.lovepattayathailand.com/national/new-tax-rates-cigarettes-alcohol-not-good/[/URL][/QUOTE]Interesting to see if this sticks and how it will effect the nightlife scene. Whenever they seem to issue an extreme provision such as this, it usually doesn't stick but then again street food stalls have been disappearing city wide.

Hello,

As a frequent time visitor of Bangkok, I am looking for something different this time. I have been to Annies, Mango, Emmanuel and some of the other massage places near Soi 11 and 24, but always disappointed by the quality of women or the lack of GFE. Can anyone recommend a higher class experiences and / or a new experience. Maybe tantric, prostate massage. I have done nuru, but not the biggest fan. I will be traveling with coworkers, so can't venture too far outside the city. No shady locations please. Hoping for something close to BTS. Maybe something like the Japanese places? Would greatly appreciates any information. And will make sure to give back and what I find.

U1.

[QUOTE=Sedenya;2084912]For my fist come back in 20 years in Bangkok I got a fairly good deal.

But in fact I don't know if must be happy or shameful.

Body: 6.

Face: 6.

Attitude: 5.

Age 23.

Quality / price: 12.

Dommage: 500 bath ST..[/QUOTE]First of all, I would post under your normal user ID. You obviously have some reason for creating a new user ID which I think is really not permitted if admin finds out. Secondly, I would be ashamed if I were you. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2084955]First of all, I would post under your normal user ID. You obviously have some reason for creating a new user ID which I think is really not permitted if admin finds out. Secondly, I would be ashamed if I were you. Anyways, the way your post is worded, you are already a memeber under another username and of Indian origin if I had to guess. No wonder Indians get a bad name.[/QUOTE]Yes shameful to negotiate all these extras and still for 500. LOL.

I agree it is very hard to believe that someone would start like this for a first post, but slightly possible.

I agree and disagree. Based on what he wrote, the girl was so desperate as to do it for 500. Perhaps she was such a low standard that normal guys like us who pay more, would not even take her. If she was any good obviously I feel sorry for her and pay a lot more. I would indeed be ashamed to have paid so little and definitely not proud. If Indian is correct, then they clearly have a different culture to us.

At least 500 gives the option to pay very low if she is terrible or useless which does happen with FLs.

In the end, he helped her get some money, but so little, took advantage of the poor thing. I do recall once a fattish older woman on the street late at night calling to me that she would suck and fuck me for 500 (hard to remember fine details but I think her opening line was "Haa Roy" to get my attention), but I did not accept. Just wasn't close to my type at all. To me, fucking an ugly is just a waste of time, money and sperm. Better to conserve all 3. However I am so fussy I am not even repeating any Snow White, Tulip, or Mango girls any more. Just haven't found one pretty enough recently, even if the service was pretty good. So I must have a brain warped by the visuals.

My attitude is more likely to be something like: "give me a wonderful time for 1000, and will book you 4 times before Monday so you will have the full 4000" LOL However this possibly underestimates how ugly or plain looking she might be. Surely a good looking girl would not be so desperate. If she was moderate looking, and not fat, I might try. He did not mention if she had a train wreck belly or deflated bag tits, or anything much about the body. Face and body 6. Could mean acceptable or could be a 3 on my scale.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2084955]First of all, I would post under your normal user ID. You obviously have some reason for creating a new user ID which I think is really not permitted if admin finds out. Secondly, I would be ashamed if I were you. Anyways, the way your post is worded, you are already a memeber under another username and of Indian origin if I had to guess. No wonder Indians get a bad name.[/QUOTE]And a shameful post, too. Feeeling embarrassed for the girl having to accept this deal be because of need. And she was in need, for sure. Otherwise why accept 500?

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[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2084955]First of all, I would post under your normal user ID. You obviously have some reason for creating a new user ID which I think is really not permitted if admin finds out. Secondly, I would be ashamed if I were you. Anyways, the way your post is worded, you are already a memeber under another username and of Indian origin if I had to guess. No wonder Indians get a bad name.[/QUOTE]I don't see how you infer from his post that he is using an alternate ID or that he is Indian.

[QUOTE=Sedenya;2084912] Snip. I meet this semi pro freelancer in soi nana and in fact I didnot have money to spend. She ask me for 1000ST I tell I didnot have this monney she look a bit desesperate and she propose me 500.

As I not really want to go I begin to negotiate BBBJ: ok Rimjob: OK DATY: OK come with facial ok the deal was near perfect but with the ST room the price was too much for me today but ultimately she propose to me to use her room so I cannot refuse anymore. Snip.

So this very unbalanced negociation between she who must accpet everything and me who in fact not wanted to go give this weird deal.[/QUOTE]You seem to overlook the fact that he stated that several times that he didn't have the money and that he didn't really want to go with her, apparently hoping that whatever he asked would be a deal-breaker for her and he could then refuse to go with her (although I don't see why he couldn't just say no to start with if he really didn't want to go with her), and finally went with her when the offer was too good to refuse, despite his original unwillingness to go with her. Perhaps, as Syzygies suggests, she may have been lucky to get even 500 bhat, since more particular men might have just walked away and she get nothing at all.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2085120]I don't see how you infer from his post that he is using an alternate ID or that he is Indian.

You seem to overlook the fact that he stated that several times that he didn't have the money and that he didn't really want to go with her, apparently hoping that whatever he asked would be a deal-breaker for her and he could then refuse to go with her (although I don't see why he couldn't just say no to start with if he really didn't want to go with her), and finally went with her when the offer was too good to refuse, despite his original unwillingness to go with her. Perhaps, as Syzygies suggests, she may have been lucky to get even 500 bhat, since more particular men might have just walked away and she get nothing at all.[/QUOTE]It is his first post but he posts like he is already a member and knows everything. It's obvious.[blue][Racial Epithet(s) Deleted by Admin][/blue] Most members here do not wish to take advantage of the ladies in this manner. He can't walk away and say no? Anyways, you're entitled to your opinion and so am I.

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I know Thailand because I was married with a Thai wife between 1992 & 1999 a girl from Korat.

I know Internationalsexguide because I read the forum some month before then post.

I not post there because in my 18 days here I take only a girl in Phuket the first day.

(a bar girl 28 year.

Face 5 body 6 attitude 8.

I pay she 1000 LT but I eat 3 time with she barfine 300 lady drink 120 and altogether I spend 2000 on her.

CBJ because I not say it before no DFK no rimjob but I pass a very good time with she).

I thinked about posting a report but I not do it.

I suppose that if I was Indian my mastering of the english must be lot of cooler then what I wrote here.

I am not Indian but French.

Sedenya is the name of red moon goddess in the role playing game world of glorantha.

Role playing is a typical farang activities.

You go very speedly to judge.

I must have spended 4 time 1000 bath.

But you not take account of the fact that I did not simply have the money.

My budget allowed me an average clearance of 750 bath by day.

I spend 2000 on a girl my first day because I dreamed to have a good time so I make my dream happen.

But it damaged really my budget I go in Surat thani I sleep in a 100 bath dormitory for give my budget I and the rail.

So I have so few money why I come to Thailand?

Simply because I have a fucking better time here then in Europe.

I eat every day in restaurant some of the best food in the world (it is my opinion about Thai food).

I got in Phuket a room 297 by night with a wonderful swimming pool.

I fuck two girl in 3 week lot more then what can be expected for a 55 year old retired as me.

I love Thailand.

I abused of a poor little thing?

Maybe about the extra. But the 500 bath ST was freely contracted between her & me (as the extra).

In fact spend this 500 was not a good idea for me so I not intend to go.

Why I not simply say no? Because she was young and if my head say no my dick say yes!

Useless information?

This forum is full of report from people who have lot money to throw up the window.

So a low budget report cannot be useless.

I am somewhat ashamed because I will be happy to give her more money if I had it.

But in the end if she take the deal is because she thought better to have then not have it.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2085120]I don't see how you infer from his post that he is using an alternate ID or that he is Indian.

You seem to overlook the fact that he stated that several times that he didn't have the money and that he didn't really want to go with her, apparently hoping that whatever he asked would be a deal-breaker for her and he could then refuse to go with her (although I don't see why he couldn't just say no to start with if he really didn't want to go with her), and finally went with her when the offer was too good to refuse, despite his original unwillingness to go with her. Perhaps, as Syzygies suggests, she may have been lucky to get even 500 bhat, since more particular men might have just walked away and she get nothing at all.[/QUOTE]I agree with you on this one Jimmy Boy and there was no need for name calling. She could have refused but chose to accept his offer and to her credit provided the services promised. Regarding taking advantage of working girls, what about the massage shops and other venues that have daily charges for working there, make them pay for all supplies and levy fines for being late, leaving early or taking a day off for any reason and forcing them to sit there for 12-14 hours with no base salary. Many of the go go bars that do provide a base salary set a high drink and bar fine quotas and if the lady fails to meet the quota penalize her by deducting money from her salary in addition to a fine for being late or missing a day. I think this is a bigger issue that affects all of us.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2085120]I don't see how you infer from his post that he is using an alternate ID or that he is Indian.

You seem to overlook the fact that he stated that several times that he didn't have the money and that he didn't really want to go with her, apparently hoping that whatever he asked would be a deal-breaker for her and he could then refuse to go with her (although I don't see why he couldn't just say no to start with if he really didn't want to go with her), and finally went with her when the offer was too good to refuse, despite his original unwillingness to go with her. Perhaps, as Syzygies suggests, she may have been lucky to get even 500 bhat, since more particular men might have just walked away and she get nothing at all.[/QUOTE]Spot on Jimmy Boy 99. I don't know how BKK jumped to the Indian conclusion so quickly.

It's posts like BKKs that really get my blood boiling. This is a public forum. If I have an experience, I will share it. If it helps somebody, great. But when Senior Members, who are very passionate about this hobby, start making xenophobic comments and ridiculing a members budget, well that just seems silly to me. We are all entitled to different opinions and we are all entitled to enjoy this hobby the way we want to.

The argument that she was lucky to get 500 Baht I find indefensible. Taking that to its logical conclusion would mean she would be lucky to get 400 300 200 even 100 baht or a bowl of noodles.

Taking advantage of a human being's desperate circumstances is simply wrong. It shows a gross lack of any semblance of decency. I realize it's a farcical proposition but there should a mandated minimum tariff for working girls.

His arguing that he had no choice didn't want to go with her and what he did was really just to help her is nonsense. If that was his motivation just give her 200 baht and wish her good luck. I feel he took unfair advantage of her.

When it comes down to it visitors with only 500 baht in his pocket should not be out looking for the kind of sex he was after.

I do however agree that ascribing a particular ethnicity to him was presumptuous.

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2085267]Spot on Jimmy Boy 99. I don't know how BKK jumped to the Indian conclusion so quickly.

It's posts like BKKs that really get my blood boiling. This is a public forum. If I have an experience, I will share it. If it helps somebody, great. But when Senior Members, who are very passionate about this hobby, start making xenophobic comments and ridiculing a members budget, well that just seems silly to me. We are all entitled to different opinions and we are all entitled to enjoy this hobby the way we want to.[/QUOTE]The report has been edited by Moderator and can't see the original comments what is being referred here.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2085319]The argument that she was lucky to get 500 Baht I find indefensible. Taking that to its logical conclusion would mean she would be lucky to get 400 300 200 even 100 baht or a bowl of noodles.

Taking advantage of a human being's desperate circumstances is simply wrong. It shows a gross lack of any semblance of decency. I realize it's a farcical proposition but there should a mandated minimum tariff for working girls.

His arguing that he had no choice didn't want to go with her and what he did was really just to help her is nonsense. If that was his motivation just give her 200 baht and wish her good luck. I feel he took unfair advantage of her.

When it comes down to it visitors with only 500 baht in his pocket should not be out looking for the kind of sex he was after.

I do however agree that ascribing a particular ethnicity to him was presumptuous.[/QUOTE]I never say I go with she for help her. I go with she for have my ball drained.

I not pay more because it was not in my capacities.

500 bath was a very very very low (and shameful) tarif? Maybe I not read well but I think I read somewhere that you can find this tarif in some blowjob bar in Pattaya.

I do believe to it was an acceptable tarif.

Girls from Bar / Club to Freelance Thai.

This kind of girl is often difficult to identify as she normally hangs out in bars and clubs just like everyone else and clearly has no label to let you know she is working. However, they are often more dressed than girls without work and show what they have.

Price: 500-2000 Baht for a short time and 2000-2500 Baht for a long time. Plus if you go to the bars and high end clubs. The good thing about freelance girls is that there is no fine bar, but there is some risk as they are totally self-employed and you do not know what they have in their head if they are about to leave the city. " source french -thailand [URL]redcat.com[/URL].

I was somewhat ashamed of my self because of the extra (rimjob mainly) at that time my intent was to find some good reason for not go but she want absolutely the deal.

500 was her proposal not mine and as I can find no reasonable reason for say no (from my point of view) my dick say yes at that time.

500 bath is 15 usd live here is at least 5 time less expansive that in western Europe so 15 dollars in Thailand is like 75 dollar in western Europe if about purchasing power.

In Europe find a street hooker for 50 dollar short time is somewhat easy.

I not intend to say I am white knight and I pay very well.

I intend to say I pay in the low part of the fork not outside of it it was no surprising there.

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2085267]
It's posts like BKKs that really get my blood boiling. [/QUOTE]I think your blood boils a little too easily. Guys post plenty of annoying provocative exaggerated things on here. Stay cool man.

Don't expect only nice posts.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2085319]The argument that she was lucky to get 500 Baht I find indefensible. Taking that to its logical conclusion would mean she would be lucky to get 400 300 200 even 100 baht or a bowl of noodles.

Taking advantage of a human being's desperate circumstances is simply wrong. It shows a gross lack of any semblance of decency. I realize it's a farcical proposition but there should a mandated minimum tariff for working girls.

His arguing that he had no choice didn't want to go with her and what he did was really just to help her is nonsense. If that was his motivation just give her 200 baht and wish her good luck. I feel he took unfair advantage of her.

When it comes down to it visitors with only 500 baht in his pocket should not be out looking for the kind of sex he was after.

I do however agree that ascribing a particular ethnicity to him was presumptuous.[/QUOTE]How much does a thai man pay at thai only places? Isn't it a lot less then what foreigners pay? Is 500 baht not a common price for some places that are thai only? I don't know, so asking, not stating as fact.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2085319]The argument that she was lucky to get 500 Baht I find indefensible. Taking that to its logical conclusion would mean she would be lucky to get 400 300 200 even 100 baht or a bowl of noodles.

Taking advantage of a human being's desperate circumstances is simply wrong. It shows a gross lack of any semblance of decency. I realize it's a farcical proposition but there should a mandated minimum tariff for working girls.
[/QUOTE]May I remind you that a huge proportion of Thais make the minimum wage of 300 baht PER DAY. That's 8 hours of honest, hard work. While 500 baht is under the going rate for sex workers (in most venues), it is NOT a trivial or insulting amount in Thailand for an hour's work.

Up until 2014 or so, 500 baht was the going rate on Beach Road in Pattaya. It is still roughly what girls make per session in low-end venues (streetwalkers in Khlong Lot and Yaowarat, soapy massage in Sao Botan). Even in the well-known PSE Oilies like Tulip or Snow White, the girls don't make [I]that[/I] much more per hour: if entire 1500 "girl fee" actually goes to the girl for the 2 h session (not sure whether it does), she makes 750 for a full hour, with multiple pops, A+, rimming and all.

If a girl willingly agrees to 500 baht, or even 300 baht, nobody is taking advantage of her. Same as if a punter a agrees to 5000 baht, nobody is taking advantage of him, there's no coercion involved.

As for circumstances being desperate, there are many Thais far more worthy of sympathy than the working girls who can easily pull the 2-3 x daily wage compared to others with the same qualifications.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2085347]I think your blood boils a little too easily. Guys post plenty of annoying provocative exaggerated things on here. Stay cool man.

Don't expect only nice posts.[/QUOTE]Ya man. I agree. It's not worth it.

Yes 500 baht is more than some workers make in Bangkok. So what, that is not the issue here.

This guy sets out with 500 baht in his pocket, looking for a "BBBJ Rimjob DATY come with facial session" without having even the price of the short time room. That's the issue.

My position is there is an acceptable price for working in 7-11 and an acceptable price for what he wanted. They are not the same and he fell far short of what he should have paid namely the 1000 baht she asked for.

Obviously from the posts some members believe this to be perfectly acceptable may even applaud his finding somebody for 500 baht arguing that there was no coercion and she made more than working a shift at 7-11.

While respecting different points of view, I'm sorry but I find what he did was exploitative and he took advantage of the desperation of a 23 year old.

My advice to the gentleman in question is put it back in your trousers for a few days, save your daily allowance and pay whatever girl you go with a fair and reasonable fee for her time.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2085368]May I remind you that a huge proportion of Thais make the minimum wage of 300 baht PER DAY. That's 8 hours of honest, hard work. While 500 baht is under the going rate for sex workers (in most venues), it is NOT a trivial or insulting amount in Thailand for an hour's work..[/QUOTE]A year ago I was having a walk on Sukhumvit soi 77 and a security guard started talking with me as I walked in front of the small office building he was working in. The guy was nice and I had some time so I stopped and had a small chat with him. He was from Khon Khaen and was 36 year old. We talked about pretty much every thing and when the discussion went about girls, he told me he goes in the Suanluang area, takes one street walker for 200 bahts and pays 80 bahts for the ST room and he could do this only very few times in a month as his monthly salary was very low. And for guys that thinks 500 baht is nothing in Thailand, that man was renting a room nearby for 1000 bahts a month.

[QUOTE=IndyHundred;2085267]Spot on Jimmy Boy 99. I don't know how BKK jumped to the Indian conclusion so quickly.

It's posts like BKKs that really get my blood boiling. This is a public forum. If I have an experience, I will share it. If it helps somebody, great. But when Senior Members, who are very passionate about this hobby, start making xenophobic comments and ridiculing a members budget, well that just seems silly to me. We are all entitled to different opinions and we are all entitled to enjoy this hobby the way we want to.[/QUOTE]I also agree. I've noticed that BKKDOG tends to be a little more on the ornery side but I also tend to find this type of lively character to be commonly seen on forums that cater to foreigners who visit Thailand for the companionship scene. The anonymity of the internet does certain things to people's social filter but it often adds a bit of color if not taken seriously.

As far as the 500 baht goes, I'm quite shocked that its an issue, especially among this lot. It could be argued that the majority of the women working in this industry are doing so because of socio-economic pressures that are specific to Thailand. There is known [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] at play behind the scenes and just because you pay 2,000, 3,000, or 1000, you really don't know where that money is going. A large portion of that could be going toward nefarious entities, to feed a drug habit, or to pay for a child's education. So the lady keeps at it in order to satisfy these needs and to actually make some money for herself in the process. I read how guys are distraught that their favorite anal queen is not longer giving up her bum or that their lady didn't do a BBBJ / CIM so obviously there is a certain level of hypocrisy at play here.

On the other hand, it can also be argued that the majority are in this line of work because in the grand scheme of things its actually quite easy (especially given today's standards) and they can make serious bank. And while I think that 500 baht is below the minimum going rate, its not that bad when you consider that it was probably less than an hour's worth of effort on her part and she would have been able to get right back out there and find another customer. As someone else mentioned, there are ladies, especially among the FL crowd, that would have a difficult time pulling more than 500 baht. His numbers don't necessarily fit the description but YMMV.

On a more positive note, I do commend the gentlemen who do think that 500 is too low. If this were a Pattaya thread I think you'd have multiple posts asking for this ladies contact details.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2085400].

My position is there is an acceptable price for working in 7-11 and an acceptable price for what he wanted. They are not the same and he fell far short of what he should have paid namely the 1000 baht she asked for.


[/QUOTE]Let the people involved decide what is acceptable for themselves. Maybe the woman desperately needed the 500 baht.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2085400]Yes 500 baht is more than some workers make in Bangkok. So what, that is not the issue here.

...While respecting different points of view, I'm sorry but I find what he did was exploitative and he took advantage of the desperation of a 23 year old...[/QUOTE]I disagree. This is a free and competitive system at work.

One time in Pattaya, I wanted to take a FL after lunch and when I asked her how much she wanted, she replied 500. It turned out she was a bit older and she mentioned that she was out there since 11 am and I was her first customer, around 2 pm. Then, I understood why she was shooting so low. She was GND in looks but had a fine body. I was so impressed later with her performance that I gave her another 500 bahts tip.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2085347]I think your blood boils a little too easily. Guys post plenty of annoying provocative exaggerated things on here. Stay cool man.

Don't expect only nice posts.[/QUOTE]Thank you. With over 10,000 posts to your name, I think you have seen plenty of annoying provocative and exaggerated things. Your advice is well received.

The "brings my blood to boil" comment was a direct reference to BKKDOGs comment which has since been modified by Admin.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2085400]My position is there is an acceptable price for working in 7-11 and an acceptable price for what he wanted. They are not the same and he fell far short of what he should have paid namely the 1000 baht she asked for.

Obviously from the posts some members believe this to be perfectly acceptable may even applaud his finding somebody for 500 baht arguing that there was no coercion and she made more than working a shift at 7-11.[/QUOTE]IMO it is all relative. I take my points of comparison from my home (USA) market, 7-11 (minimum wage) shift work, and a buddy who plays the low end US Backpage game:

Thailand: minimum wage 300 baht, practical daily wage 500 baht.

USA: minimum wage ($8. 25 x 8) = $66, practical daily wage ($10.00 x 8) = $80.

He gets FS P4 P in the $80 range all the time, especially when he repeats, after establishing he is not LE and a decent guy. These are not crack hoe's either just not the creme of the crop. The difference in Thailand is you get more time and activities for your money, which is kind of true at all price levels.

SL.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2085400]Yes 500 baht is more than some workers make in Bangkok. So what, that is not the issue here.

This guy sets out with 500 baht in his pocket, looking for a "BBBJ Rimjob DATY come with facial session" without having even the price of the short time room. That's the issue.

My position is there is an acceptable price for working in 7-11 and an acceptable price for what he wanted. They are not the same and he fell far short of what he should have paid namely the 1000 baht she asked for.

Obviously from the posts some members believe this to be perfectly acceptable may even applaud his finding somebody for 500 baht arguing that there was no coercion and she made more than working a shift at 7-11.

While respecting different points of view, I'm sorry but I find what he did was exploitative and he took advantage of the desperation of a 23 year old.

My advice to the gentleman in question is put it back in your trousers for a few days, save your daily allowance and pay whatever girl you go with a fair and reasonable fee for her time.[/QUOTE]If you want an example of exploitation lets start with the massage shops. No salary, commission and tips only so no customers, no income and they have to sit there for 10-12 hours a day. Add in the 200 baht a day they have to pay the shop for the privilege of working there plus transportation costs and they can easily be in the hole for 400-500 baht. I know ladies that have gone 4 days without a customer and ended up paying out 2000 baht for 48 hours of their time. Thats exploitation.

[QUOTE=Soroche;2085835]If you want an example of exploitation lets start with the massage shops. No salary, commission and tips only so no customers, no income and they have to sit there for 10-12 hours a day. Add in the 200 baht a day they have to pay the shop for the privilege of working there plus transportation costs and they can easily be in the hole for 400-500 baht. I know ladies that have gone 4 days without a customer and ended up paying out 2000 baht for 48 hours of their time. Thats exploitation.[/QUOTE]Not saying it doesn't happen?

I can't speak for Bangkok, but do venture to two regular shops whenever I'm visiting. I've lived in Pattaya for over 10 years in which I do know from my experience knowing a number of massage owners and even more workers. Over ten years, I religiously do 3 or more Thai / Foot massage a week without missing a beat.

In all those years never heard from any Thai working under those conditions? Usually, the workers get a 50/50 take on the massage and keep all the tips. Never have I heard a worker having to pay a shop to work to be able to work in one. The only time I've heard workers paying are girls working in Beer Bar on salary which when they don't just show up have to pay a fine, even if it happen I can understand why a employer would place such a rule since workers are notorious for just not showing up, and if you are trying to run a business and a worker just decides not to show up how long is that business going to last? As for a massage shop I've heard it happen if a customers wants to take the girl somewhere for the day, the massage loses the worker therefore I understand if they want some compensation.

I've not seen any massage worker not having a choice to leave the shop because they don't like the condition. Having to pay their own transportation is common in general everywhere in the world. If girls are working a shop with no customers for days unless force happened to have made the wrong choice.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2080386]My link works if you remove the space after '[URL]http://www.pattayatalk.com/[/URL]' when you have copy pasted it. I could not write the link in one line because the forum software messed it up.

Your picture is quite small but I would say she is just a normal dancer and not a coyote. But like I said: sometimes the lines are blurred.[/QUOTE]I've been browsing through [URL]pattypatty.com[/URL] and to be honest, it's more informative than any other website. What kind of action can I come across in Thai? I've heard that everything is amazing in such places.

[QUOTE=Soroche;2085835]If you want an example of exploitation lets start with the massage shops. No salary, commission and tips only so no customers, no income and they have to sit there for 10-12 hours a day. Add in the 200 baht a day they have to pay the shop for the privilege of working there plus transportation costs and they can easily be in the hole for 400-500 baht. I know ladies that have gone 4 days without a customer and ended up paying out 2000 baht for 48 hours of their time. Thats exploitation.[/QUOTE]I wasn't aware that girls paid a fee to work to the shop.

At so called oilies when the total fee is paid upfront they get the P4 P portion usually 1500 sometimes less. Where the massage fee is separate from the session fee usually the shop keeps all of the massage fee while the girl is paid separately by the customer.

As to what constitutes exploitation, this is difficult to define and entirely subjective. As evidenced by the earlier conversation on the guy who paid 500 Baht some thought this was perfectly acceptable, market forces, comparison to minimum wage rates, freedom of choice etc being used to justify what he did while some like myself thought otherwise.

At the end of the day it comes down to an individual's values, what one believes are the norms for common decency and here there are no absolutes.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2085982]Not saying it doesn't happen?

I can't speak for Bangkok, but do venture to two regular shops whenever I'm visiting. I've lived in Pattaya for over 10 years in which I do know from my experience knowing a number of massage owners and even more workers. Over ten years, I religiously do 3 or more Thai / Foot massage a week without missing a beat.

In all those years never heard from any Thai working under those conditions? Usually, the workers get a 50/50 take on the massage and keep all the tips. Never have I heard a worker having to pay a shop to work to be able to work in one. The only time I've heard workers paying are girls working in Beer Bar on salary which when they don't just show up have to pay a fine, even if it happen I can understand why a employer would place such a rule since workers are notorious for just not showing up, and if you are trying to run a business and a worker just decides not to show up how long is that business going to last? As for a massage shop I've heard it happen if a customers wants to take the girl somewhere for the day, the massage loses the worker therefore I understand if they want some compensation.

I've not seen any massage worker not having a choice to leave the shop because they don't like the condition. Having to pay their own transportation is common in general everywhere in the world. If girls are working a shop with no customers for days unless force happened to have made the wrong choice.[/QUOTE]I'm not talking about shops where you go to get a traditional Thai massage or a foot massage like Healthland. I'm talking about Tulip, Mango, SW and similar shops that provide sex which is the focal point of this site.

Here is what is expected of ladies working at Tulip massage. 200 baht fee to the shop every day plus an additional 200 for each customer. The shop charges 1900/1 hour and 2300/2 hours. 1500 of that is for the service minus the 200 customer fee. That leaves 1300 for the lady and essentially they get no more for working 2 hours than 1. For an outcall (2 hours) the charge is 3000 with 1000 to the shop and 2000 to the lady. If they miss a day its a 3000 fine during the week and 5000 on the weekend. If they are late or want to go home early its 1000. They pay for all the supplies such as condoms, tissues, soap, lube and oils. They work 1 pm-midnight or 10 am to 11 pm and cannot leave the shop for any reason. Food has to be delivered to the shop or purchased by the mae baan. The really unattractive and undisciplined ladies get weeded out quickly because they make little or no money. However, for the attractive, disciplined and skilled ladies with repeat customers the job can pay well and that is why they put up with these conditions. Some can make 120-130 k each month but I suspect the average is far lower. The go go bars which pay a salary have a different set of rules but are also quite mercenary in controlling the ladies via fines and quotas.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2083630]
A. Where are you now?

B. My room.

A. Do you want to come my room?

B. How much will you give me?

A. How much do you want?

Be. 2,500 Baht ST.

A. Ok.

B. When do you want to see me?

A. Now.

B. Where do you stay?

30 minutes later, little 20 year old Da Da was in my bed. What a site. She brought her university uniform to model for me. What a true GFE. Multiple positions, very vocal, a lot of DFK, and no mention of a cover. Natural C cups, beautiful tanned skin, decent English skills, just a real sweetheart. We banged for a good 90 minutes. She rode cowgirl like a champ and she's multi orgasmic so for those of you who think TF is a waste of time, please remember these main points.
[/QUOTE]Forgive me for reading this quickly. I live in Saigon and am American running a "location independent" company.

And as an aside, anyone that wants to talk to me, I'll tell you 110% the scene here in Saigon if you can intro me to some hot FL in BKK.

I like you're style and description of experience. Most of the girls I bone here are not FL, and I don't want to insult them by "presuming" on tinder or a date site that they are. 2-3 dates and the girls here may blow you're mind, BUT the are not same same as BKK. Here it's not so much about p4 p, although that is no tough if you know where to go.

How do you break the ice to see if they are into P4 P? I'm coming in 2 months and need to start talking to girls in BKK online. What's the best way to find the truly FL girls that have a day job WITHOUT insulting those that just want to date: I really don't like to disrespect women.

Thanks,

WL.

[QUOTE=Soroche;2086047]I'm not talking about shops where you go to get a traditional Thai massage or a foot massage like Healthland. I'm talking about Tulip, Mango, SW and similar shops that provide sex which is the focal point of this site.

Here is what is expected of ladies working at Tulip massage. 200 baht fee to the shop every day plus an additional 200 for each customer. The shop charges 1900/1 hour and 2300/2 hours. 1500 of that is for the service minus the 200 customer fee. That leaves 1300 for the lady and essentially they get no more for working 2 hours than 1. For an outcall (2 hours) the charge is 3000 with 1000 to the shop and 2000 to the lady. If they miss a day its a 3000 fine during the week and 5000 on the weekend. If they are late or want to go home early its 1000. They pay for all the supplies such as condoms, tissues, soap, lube and oils. They work 1 pm-midnight or 10 am to 11 pm and cannot leave the shop for any reason. Food has to be delivered to the shop or purchased by the mae baan. The really unattractive and undisciplined ladies get weeded out quickly because they make little or no money. However, for the attractive, disciplined and skilled ladies with repeat customers the job can pay well and that is why they put up with these conditions. Some can make 120-130 k each month but I suspect the average is far lower. The go go bars which pay a salary have a different set of rules but are also quite mercenary in controlling the ladies via fines and quotas.[/QUOTE]Point well taken not taking any particular side but these women have a choice. Since you sight Tulip, in the past I've known a few girls personally all have left the business but they do have choices. The shop imposes these rules strict as they maybe so they can run a business. They have to have control over the staff so they can staff a business thus serve their customers this is the same as a Go Go. From my experience Thai girls not saying their reasons aren't important but are notorious for not showing up for work or even calling. It happens but saying it is mercenary is a bit of a stretch? If you were a owner knowing full well girls are coming and going freely to a point you have no idea who is working on a given day what would you do?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2075732]Believe if you will, it is not so ridiculous, and I don't bother to make up stories.

First I decided to go to Emmanuelle looking for Yok B01. I had first done her approx. 2008. Big natural tits. Rather quirky girl, likes alcohol a lot, once went to the Emmanuelle Christmas party with her (many years ago). She dances good.

Yok doesn't work any more. Possibly mid to late 30's. Sells stuff now they say. I should have taken her a few months ago last opportunity. Anyhow I was considering a dark skinned older B course girl (body massage) when I spotted S06 absolutely stunning face for me. When she stood up I could see was skinny (perfect for me). Naked in the bath she was simply stunning. Faai was the most beautiful girl (my taste) I had been with sexually in a long time. Very slim legs but ass still had plenty of meat for padding. A cups natural no sag. Face perfect. A nose job but so subtle as undetectable. An extremely good one. Normally I can pick nose jobs but not this one. I truly did not know.

Faai had one parent from Chiang Rai, giving her light skin and one from Kalasin (Issan). She was just stunning for me and could not find a fault when nude.

However aged 21. She claimed 3 years experience, but seemed to have learned nothing. Kissing not allowed on the mouth. In the bath did nothing sexy at all. Like no bath skills. On the bed, I gave her DATY and she built to orgasm in medium time, not very slow at all. I was only semi hard. Not that long since my last really great fuck (with a regular). Normally I rely on sexy kissing to get me up, but she is not kissing so I requested a BJ. She shook her head. No. Her hand on my dick was extremely unskilful and not working. I had to slowly wank myself up while fingering her pussy (which was resisted somewhat) to get it up and get a condom on. Her pussy was pretty tight and I had some difficulties due to starting off not rock hard after getting the condom on. In the end I did not get it working perfectly and no cum. Later she admitted that she can do CBJ. Why didn't she say that in first place. So gave a moderate CBJ scores just 5 out of 10 if generous.

Overall assessment: The most stunning girl I have fucked for a while (my skinny taste). Face very beautiful. Small tits but nice. Pretty pussy. Enjoyable DATY. Skills very poor for supposedly 3 years experience. Perhaps other guys can enjoy her despite lack of a GFE. Maybe I would have been rock hard if no recent fucks. Repeat: Unlikely. Price 3700 wasted. Crazy yes! Beauty does not guarantee skills. She probably appreciates small dick and was surprised a Farang chose her. Soapy girl told me that making her cum, caused her to be excessively lazy. How would I know that in advance?

I decided to go to Soi Cowboy and went in Sharks. I was surprised Pat was available as was getting up to 11 PM. Another guy gave her a 100 Baht tip while she was dancing which made me fear competition, but apparently he was well known to extent he may have had something to do with the management or a very long term regular customer.

Pat worked at Suzie Wong for 3 years and so was aware I was a regular of her sister Knot. Knot (I spell it my own way LOL) has settled down with a boyfriend and not doing P4 P any more. I suggested to Pat that perhaps she could take her sister's place and she was okay With that. So bought her a drink and BFed her before her next dance set came around. Her price was not discussed. Some Japanese customers had been interested in her, but apparently they BF her less than Farangs do. Maybe they know she is a mother and does not have the tightest pussy in the place, or skin a bit tanned, or just not delicate enough. In fact she can take bigger dick well. I see Japanese BFing a lot of LBs in the modern day. LOL and taking them to Asoke Place ST Hotel to fuck on the sly.

Pat kissed quite nicely so I knew a GFE could be had. So took Pat for ST. Very nice session. All the kissing I needed, and very nice BBBJ too. She responded very positively to the DATY. Maybe her pussy is a bit too accommodating for some guys but very pretty. She was very nice in the shower to make me feel special, helping to wash me like in the best MPs. Did not get to BJ in the shower but otherwise excellent. Great BBBJ on the bed scores at least 7. I got to realise that although her tits are enhanced and very heavy indeed, they are very soft on top, so it is very hard to detect any silicone deep down other then the sheer weight of her D cups. The softest tit job I ever found. She had pretty good tits before they were enhanced. So now her tits still bounce around, shimmer and jiggle just like 100% real tits. Just that they are very big. I am not normally a tit man but can enjoy big soft heavy tits.

So everything was very good and I loved the soft feel of the pussy. Finished in doggy position. I was slow but no complaints at all. On the way back I was undecided what to do. She suggested we go into Suzie Wong (the dead bar) and shout a drink for Yao, a waitress I have known since early 2000's. I am a nice guy so I agreed. Cannot hurt. I only know well 3 staff members in Suzie W remaining, make it 4 when Oar (waitress) showed up along with mamasan Tuktaa, and waitresses Yao and Joy. I ended up ordering tequilas all round for girls I knew and myself and Pat had a beer. Expensive. Pat was not making specially big money herself, but she had the good heart to go help out her old friends in a quiet Suzie W bar. I even bought a drink for Yao's husband who used to work in Sheba many years back when they had good rock music in there.

Not only that, but Pat had skilfully honed in on my weakness. She kept on giving me the very best tongue kisses that puts me into the mood to have fun and enjoy. I never met other girls that found my weakness so quickly. Hence in the end, I spent far more money than otherwise intended. Would not do for a budget.

Pat knows exactly how to get me with the DFK kissing, which is excellent despite her braces, and her enhanced but very soft bouncy big tits are amazing to play with. I did not notice any baby stretch marks but if you need extra tight pussy, I would advise against Pat. Otherwise she can be a great GFE, (even better kissing than her sister was in former times). I knew she manipulating me through super kissing but I could not want it to stop.

Pat has no problems to meet her monthly drinks and BF quota, as is popular. Salary at Sharks 18000 per month which I thought was excellent. This is why they have some good looking girls. Pat is a very skilful bargirl in that she understands about trying to give the customer the best time possible which makes the customer like me, happy to spend more than normal. I asked Pat how many BFs she can do per night. She admitted to being lazy and content with only 1 or two occasionally. She says she prefers to have fun rather than be diligent like another former Suzie W girl was who had several STs per night. Pat also pointed out that if she gives energy to the sex session, she might start to get lazy, especially after a cum. So Pat is only in Sharks 3 weeks, not yet a super star, as only a few of her old Suzie customers know where to find her.

After exiting Suzie W where several staff had been made happy, Pat was diligent to escort me to my taxi. Don't recall many girls who seek to look after the customer so well. I will be missing her tongue, pretty pussy, and heavy Dcups.

What a contrast between the stunning but crap service Soapy girl and the moderately good looking bargirl with big bazookas who concentrated on doing her utmost to make the customer happy. I don't often find a great Soapy girl, but fluke a good value one occasionally (not today).

Pat was as good as her older sister on the bed, but even better for the kissing. I can see how she hooks her regulars. Add 1 to my very short regular girls list.

Sorry if my English is a bit off. I got slightly inebriated in Suzie after the fuck. Not so much that I can't type reasonably O.K., so only slight. Maybe can detect repetition of thoughts.

Sorry no clue if Pat does ass fucking or multiple shots. Probably unlikely. I did not even ask if she does CIM, as I prefer pussy. Its all about GFE. I try to be good for the girl and she tries to be as good as she can for me.

Dangerous these girls who try to send the customer into bliss. Equally good or better service girls do exist in the MPs, but hard to find with equivalent face and body looks. I just try to be very fair. An MP fuck is cheaper because I don't go into party mode, just not many memorable MP visits over the last year.[/QUOTE]Is this Faai the girl you are talking about? She works at emannuelle but when I saw her, her number was S24. But she has pretty much the same specs you said, and also 1 parent from Chiang Rai and 1 from Issaan.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2086300]Point well taken not taking any particular side but these women have a choice. Since you sight Tulip, in the past I've known a few girls personally all have left the business but they do have choices. The shop imposes these rules strict as they maybe so they can run a business. They have to have control over the staff so they can staff a business thus serve their customers this is the same as a Go Go. From my experience Thai girls not saying their reasons aren't important but are notorious for not showing up for work or even calling. It happens but saying it is mercenary is a bit of a stretch? If you were a owner knowing full well girls are coming and going freely to a point you have no idea who is working on a given day what would you do?[/QUOTE]Mercenary in the context of still charging the 3000 or 5000 baht per day rate when a lady has just received a call that her son has been blinded in a fireworks accident or in another case the father had a serious fall and was undergoing brain surgery. Otherwise I understand the need to maintain control over the workforce.

Made my investigation to know which girl performs good DT in the high Sukhumvit BJ bars:

- Chinchin at Woodbar.

- Tik at Kasalong.

- Wa at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url].

I myself know Chinchin's performance which is really good, I know the 2 others by reputation.

Be sure to ring and check if they are working and available, as they have some random days off.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2075732]Soapy girl told me that making her cum, caused her to be excessively lazy. How would I know that in advance?[/QUOTE]In my opinion, when it comes to working girls, having them cum is a detriment. Isn't it almost always the case that they get lazy after they cum?

[QUOTE=Soroche;2086417]Mercenary in the context of still charging the 3000 or 5000 baht per day rate when a lady has just received a call that her son has been blinded in a fireworks accident or in another case the father had a serious fall and was undergoing brain surgery. Otherwise I understand the need to maintain control over the workforce.[/QUOTE]Yes, in these cases as you noted are mercenary owned or managed, many Go Go I know the mamasan required some form of note or payment that they were at the hospital. In these cases, a employer who is that mercenary I would just not come back to be exploited. In cases of ladies not having customers for a number of days and get weeded out that is the market as customer who set it, as you know many are in more for the looks than the experience thus selecting looks first. In all cases they do have a choice to not work for the shop. Thanks good point.

I did try to send you a PM, to respond and continue my views as to not cloak or off track the thread but I guess you aren't a member or not taking messages?

[QUOTE=XRatedBangkok;2086497]Made my investigation to know which girl performs good DT in the high Sukhumvit BJ bars:

- Chinchin at Woodbar.

- Tik at Kasalong.

- Wa at.

I myself know Chinchin's performance which is really good, I know the 2 others by reputation.

Be sure to ring and check if they are working and available, as they have some random days off.[/QUOTE]Only one I have had was Tik. Truthfully a bit old for my liking and a bit big. Can DT, but is very toothy. Had to tell her to watch it several times. Would not repeat.

Hi guys,

Tried asking on a different, smaller forum but no luck. Does anyone have info on the following two girls? I'll be in Bangkok next month and these two caught my eye:

1. Cara - [URL]http://xclusivethai.com/models/40262.[/URL].

2. Zara - [URL]https://www.absolute-angels-bangkok....ara[/URL]- age-25-152.

I tried to search this thread but seems either these girls are new or no one's bothered to write anything about them yet. Appreciate any info you guys can provide.

Does anyone know if bars / night clubs / go go bars will be closed around the time of the late King's cremation scheduled for October 26? Or will Bangkok be open as normal?

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2087102]Does anyone know if bars / night clubs / go go bars will be closed around the time of the late King's cremation scheduled for October 26? Or will Bangkok be open as normal?[/QUOTE]Haven't they put to poor bloke to rest yet? Thai people just love a ceremony.

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2087102]Does anyone know if bars / night clubs / go go bars will be closed around the time of the late King's cremation scheduled for October 26? Or will Bangkok be open as normal?[/QUOTE]I guess it will be more days.

My friend who runs a business told me already a while ago that staff had a 5 days holiday (and with two weekends even 9 days). Their business is closed for 9 days because the country pays the last respect to their former King.

[QUOTE=Belisaj;2086809]Hi guys,

Tried asking on a different, smaller forum but no luck. Does anyone have info on the following two girls? I'll be in Bangkok next month and these two caught my eye:

1. Cara - [URL]http://xclusivethai.com/models/40262.[/URL].

2. Zara - [URL]https://www.absolute-angels-bangkok....ara[/URL]- age-25-152.

I tried to search this thread but seems either these girls are new or no one's bothered to write anything about them yet. Appreciate any info you guys can provide.[/QUOTE] Here the thread for Escort Agency [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2454-Bangkok-Escort-Agencies[/URL].

[QUOTE=DubyaMan88;2060577]In Bangkok for the last 2 days. Decided to call a Russian lady. I prefer 30 yrs 35 yrs. They are more comfortable with their bodies and know how to give and get pleasure. Besides they are not in a hurry.

She came to my room and gave me an excellent massage, using her elbows. Looks like she was trained by an expert Thai masseuse. Then she proceeded to take off my clothes and her own. Pushed me back on the bed and told me to let her do all the work I was happy to comply. Started with BBBJ and took me to a very pleasurable release. Was in no hurry to leave till I sent her away at midnight since I had an early morning meeting. Leaving today for Singapore.

Hope to be back in BKK next month.[/QUOTE]Where did you find her?

[QUOTE=Stykler;2087236]Haven't they put to poor bloke to rest yet? Thai people just love a ceremony.[/QUOTE]Your comment is not that appropriate mate.

[QUOTE=Belisaj;2086809]Hi guys,

Tried asking on a different, smaller forum but no luck. Does anyone have info on the following two girls? I'll be in Bangkok next month and these two caught my eye:

1. Cara - [URL]http://xclusivethai.com/models/40262.[/URL].

2. Zara - [URL]https://www.absolute-angels-bangkok....ara[/URL]- age-25-152.

I tried to search this thread but seems either these girls are new or no one's bothered to write anything about them yet. Appreciate any info you guys can provide.[/QUOTE]If you had some patience, you would have seen some responses. I say one about Cara. Please go back to the original thread and you will see. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2087102]Does anyone know if bars / night clubs / go go bars will be closed around the time of the late King's cremation scheduled for October 26? Or will Bangkok be open as normal?[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Somewhere15;2087243]I guess it will be more days.

My friend who runs a business told me already a while ago that staff had a 5 days holiday (and with two weekends even 9 days). Their business is closed for 9 days because the country pays the last respect to their former King.[/QUOTE]

Oct 13 Friday Anniversary of the Death of King Bhumibol National holiday.

Oct 23 Monday Chulalongkorn Day National holiday.

Oct 26 Thursday Cremation of King Bhumibol National holiday.

Expect closures on these days. Do not listen to the people who say things will be shut down for 10 days. It was not even that long when he passed away. When the king passed away, closures were only a few days and when the bars reopened they were asked to shut down early and to keep noise levels down only.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2087468]Oct 13 Friday Anniversary of the Death of King Bhumibol National holiday.

Oct 23 Monday Chulalongkorn Day National holiday.

Oct 26 Thursday Cremation of King Bhumibol National holiday.

Expect closures on these days. Do not listen to the people who say things will be shut down for 10 days. It was not even that long when he passed away. When the king passed away, closures were only a few days and when the bars reopened they were asked to shut down early and to keep noise levels down only.[/QUOTE]ENTERTAINMENT:

General translation of official statement from Thai Government News Website.

Thai government does not prohibit entertaining activities or events during The Royal cremation ceremonies in October except for the following:

The Prime Minister only mentioned that on 26th October – the day of the actual cremation that should consider the appropriateness; I. E. Live music in public area should be restrained.

During 21st – 25th October the entertainment activities should be scaled down.

Other activities / events such as weddings or alcohol serving should be managed in private venue within hotels. (more details on this later).

I'm just going to skip Thailand all of October to be safe. There are too many other good options to be worrying at all about any possible closures.

Landed bkk Saturday afternoon. Made through passport control no issues and exchanged some cash near baggage claim. Got 31.23 rate / usd. Took uber to my hotel for 375 baht. Didn't even bother dealing with the taxi mafia. Heavy traffic to hotel but uneventful. The hotel gave an exchange rate of 30. They told me about a place called super rich that exchanged 32.75 and is this the highest I've seen.

Later in the evening I went to nana plaza. Was raining not a huge crowds of people but still a fair amount. The clubs seemed dead (must be the rain). Girls were still posted up in the nana hotel parking lot next to hooters. Few above average sprinkled amongst mostly average looking workers. Finished my beer / food and went for a walk. From previous trips I remember girls being all along sukhumvit. As I passed, glancing down the side streets to see if there is anything of interest.

Somehow or another end up seeing the big red sign for a BJ bar at the end of chai saman alley (off soi sukhumvit 8). The post editor won't let me put the name of place. There's a name I remember but I've never been inside. One girl sitting outside with momma. 800 baht and she'd show me what's what. Pay go upstairs and I'd guess 6 or 7 little couch areas divided by (I guess) shower curtains. She lays down towel and baby wipes the soldier and goes to work. Good skill. 200 baht more (1000 total) and got CFS. She wouldn't entertain take out service but maybe have to be repeat customer. FS was just a few minutes until I stopped and went back to BBBJ. Finsihed CIM. I didn't feel rushed at all.

Sunday, strolled through soi cowboy about 230 pm and it was a ghost town. If a place had posted hours it was 6 pm - 1 am. A few opened at 7 pm. Eat / drink and end up at kasalong. Its actually next door to the place I went to earlier that had the big red sign. Just walk another 5 seconds and look around the corner of the building. Walk in and get a singha for 115 baht. Didn't pick anyone until I finished my beer. Chose emmy because she was the first to say something to me. Cute chubby little thing. 800 baht and her, I and beer go upstairs. She lays down towel, washes soldier. As she's washing I reach to touch vag and she moves away. Second attempt just to make sure and she moved again. Get to business and I ask her to remove top and she asks for tip. (girl at the other spot did it without me asking). So top still on she gives subpar BBBJ. She most certainly tried and we were there about 30 minutes (way over time). I finally just stopped and said let's go. Paid on my way out and tipped her the 85 baht change.

Back at soi cowboy at 645 ish and music lively and lots of people. Stroll through without stopping. Out the other end of the street (away from terminal 21) and turn left. Few minutes walk down the road is a place called sathiga massage. Chose foot massage (250 baht) from May. She asks if I wanted to get under dressed and offers towel and shower. I say yes to both. Asked her to remove the top and negotiation was all over the place. I laughed when at some point she threw out 2500. She kissed the boys while massaging soldier. Dayum that felt good, she says just a sample. Told her no more than 1000. Agreed on naked HJ. 30 but perfect looking breasts as if someone half her age. Rub and FIV and she really got wet and responsive. She moaned and road my finger while giving HJ. It probably wasn't 5 minutes and I was finished. LOL it was great. Am going to repeat with her before I leave Bangkok.

Sim card: at the airport I bought an ais sim card for 250 baht. Thai phone number, 7 days of unlimited data 4 g data for 249 baht. Downloaded an app called foxfi so I can tether my main phone. Are times when it's slow but after 2 days of use I say it works really well.

Social media: tinder, bumble and wechat have made things super easy. I'm getting WAY more contacts and offers than I'll be able to sample on just one trip. Messaged one from a year ago (that I hadn't met in person) and she offered to come to room for 700 baht.

I have pics to upload but it just told me they are too big. Will resize and upload later. So that's all for now. I'll be out seeing what I can see. If someone needs intel let me know and I will try to check on it before I leave.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2087465]If you had some patience, you would have seen some responses. I say one about Cara. Please go back to the original thread and you will see. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the heads up. I wasn't aware someone had responded.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2086304]Is this Faai the girl you are talking about? She works at emannuelle but when I saw her, her number was S24. But she has pretty much the same specs you said, and also 1 parent from Chiang Rai and 1 from Issaan.[/QUOTE]She's cute! I may have to go by there next week.

I went to Wood Bar last night. Bad vibes. They're all a bunch of [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]. No smiles, hellos, goodbyes or any of that. The girl I chose was ok, but nothing special. I won't be going there again.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2087608]I'm just going to skip Thailand all of October to be safe. There are too many other good options to be worrying at all about any possible closures.[/QUOTE]Makes sense not to be here in Oct. I'm getting out around 23 or 24 for a week.

Does anyone know if there are any Thai Holidays in March that would disable BKK for long periods of time? (I. E. A whole week off of work?

[QUOTE=JesseJames;2087952]I went to Wood Bar last night. Bad vibes. They're all a bunch of bitches. No smiles, hellos, goodbyes or any of that. The girl I chose was ok, but nothing special. I won't be going there again.[/QUOTE]Same vibe I got last time I went, never a problem with the two practically next to each other! But unlike you I did not even give them a chance, I chose nobody both times they had stank attitude!

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2087957]Does anyone know if there are any Thai Holidays in March that would disable BKK for long periods of time? (I. E. A whole week off of work?[/QUOTE][URL]http://boomboomme.com/resources/holidays/thailand/index.htm[/URL]

[QUOTE=JesseJames;2087952]I went to Wood Bar last night. Bad vibes. They're all a bunch of bitches. No smiles, hellos, goodbyes or any of that. The girl I chose was ok, but nothing special. I won't be going there again.[/QUOTE]Same vibe I got last time I went, never a problem with the two practically next to each other! But unlike you I did not even give them a chance, I chose nobody both times they had stank attitude!

[QUOTE=WanderLuster;2086288]Forgive me for reading this quickly. I live in Saigon and am American running a "location independent" company.

And as an aside, anyone that wants to talk to me, I'll tell you 110% the scene here in Saigon if you can intro me to some hot FL in BKK.

I like you're style and description of experience. Most of the girls I bone here are not FL, and I don't want to insult them by "presuming" on tinder or a date site that they are. 2-3 dates and the girls here may blow you're mind, BUT the are not same same as BKK. Here it's not so much about p4 p, although that is no tough if you know where to go.

How do you break the ice to see if they are into P4 P? I'm coming in 2 months and need to start talking to girls in BKK online. What's the best way to find the truly FL girls that have a day job WITHOUT insulting those that just want to date: I really don't like to disrespect women.

Thanks,

WL.[/QUOTE]Sign up for Thai Friendly- you need Premium. Look at the pictures, it is not difficult to tell who is p4 p, use similar dialog as listed here on forum, many ladies have in their profile that they are 'looking for a serious relationship' I believe that is code for not interested in P4P, I don't think I have insulted any, but have offers and files for my upcoming trip (I think I have 25 files of ladies interested in less than a week). It seems quite simple.

Landed bkk Saturday afternoon. Made through passport control no issues and exchanged some cash near baggage claim. Got 31.23 rate / usd. Took uber to my hotel for 375 baht. Didn't even bother dealing with the taxi mafia. Heavy traffic to hotel but uneventful. The hotel gave an exchange rate of 30. They told me about a place called super rich that exchanged 32.75 and is this the highest I've seen.

There is a SuperRich on the bottom level of BKK right before trains that usually has best rates. In fact, there are 2. There is also one at the Nana and Asok BTS stations. Just need your passport and some crisp bills. Don't take your dirty crumpled or worn bills there.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2088200]Sign up for Thai Friendly- you need Premium. Look at the pictures, it is not difficult to tell who is p4 p, use similar dialog as listed here on forum, many ladies have in their profile that they are 'looking for a serious relationship' I believe that is code for not interested in P4P, I don't think I have insulted any, but have offers and files for my upcoming trip (I think I have 25 files of ladies interested in less than a week). It seems quite simple.[/QUOTE]I have now about 6-7 week experience with TF and Thaicupid. Interestingly Thaicupid sounds more sexy but is not. I asked the same questions some weeks ago here and from my experience I can say, yes pics help (but still far from being a guarantee); what I notice is that girls who are on line in the late thai evening are more frequently P4 P, I guess they wait to be contacted immediately for dating. Just an idEA;.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;2087952]I went to Wood Bar last night. Bad vibes. They're all a bunch of bitches. No smiles, hellos, goodbyes or any of that. The girl I chose was ok, but nothing special. I won't be going there again.[/QUOTE]I've noticed that the whole block or Soi is like that. All Bitches. I guess that is the attitude you get when you suck cock for a living.

RL.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2088200]many ladies have in their profile that they are 'looking for a serious relationship' I believe that is code for not interested in P4P[/QUOTE]Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Vast majority of the women on TF are not P4P anymore. It used to be THE online place for FLers before all of the apps like Line, Badoo, Tinder, and WeChat came along.

But yes, at the late hours, some pop on there to see what they can catch.

I tend to find that the P4P ladies on TF aren't worth the effort or the monthly fee. You're better off using WeChat, especially if you're staying around farang P4P central.

Hello gents,

Long time lurker and now providing a couple of reports. Glad to finally contribute something.

MITU.

I visited Mitu last week. The entrance to Mitu is on the right side of 33/4 just like on the website. 4 pm visit on a Monday.

Front desk was manned by Thai lady and a man who did not have a Thai accent. Spoke good English, maybe Japanese. Both were very nice and welcoming and the man showed me an iPad with the available ladies. I was certain I read somewhere that the 75 minute wet massage was 3,000 B, but the price for wet massage was 3,300 B. This was my first nuru massage and I really, really wanted it. I told the man I thought the price used to be 3,000 B, but he politely insisted 3,300 B was the rate. That's a lot of money, but I agreed and selected Shiho from Chonburi, no kids, but bright blue contact lenses. J.

I was seated in a small area away from the desk with a TV and offered a bottle of water. After sitting for a minute, the man welcomed me through a door to meet Shiho. Very friendly and nice. OK English, but I spoke to her mostly in Thai. Up 3 flights of stairs to a large clean room with a nice size bed and a separate and large shower area with blow up mattress on the floor. Clothes off and she made the nuru gel and slathered it on the blow up mattress. She gave me a nice shower and let me touch, suck, and kiss everything during the shower. I was super excited at this point and I asked her for a BBBJ and she obliged. Her body is a 7 with a full butt which I like as it reminded me of my recently-split pinay GF. J Smaller chest and flat stomach.

Onto the blow up mattress face down and the rub begins. As this was my first nuru, I was in total heaven. OMG it felt so good. She had a small amount of pubic hair which was a little scratchy, but felt like it was exfoliating me. In a good way. It was everything I could do not to blow even without her actually touching my dick. Lots of ball and butt play which I like. She lifted my hips and gave me the best rim job ever. I put her on her back and rubbed and licked and kissed her from top to bottom. Lots of DFK and DATY which she didn't seem to be that into. Kind of surprised me because I'm pretty good at DATY. I requested condom and we started with mish. If you've never had a nuru, the slipping and sliding and skin contact during sex is so amazing. I flipped her for doggie and gave her a nice tongue bath from hole to hole. Started doggie and asked for A+, but she said "mai dai" so I pounded her doggie until I finished. Wow. So nice.

With plenty of time to spare, she rolled me on my stomach and put hot water on a towel and covered my upper legs. She massaged my legs through the hot towel like a proper massage which was kind of nice, but after a couple of minutes I wanted to go again. We moved to the regular bed and more DATY and a few other positions, but going 2 times with a condom is tough for me. I was very close to asking her if she's take 1,000 B to let me go BB, but that's not something I want to start doing – but very tempting so I could get a second shot. We lay together for a while and fooled around. As 75 minutes came to a close we rinsed off and headed downstairs. Kiss goodbye and I was offered ice cream buy the man as I left. J I did not tip because I just don't. Enough of you waste your money in tips I don't need to add to the expectation. My tip is that I will return to her again.

Linda's place.

I have been back and forth to Linda's on the ramp at Patpong 2 for several year now, but I've been away for 2 years and wanted to come back to check things out. As I live near Patpong and I am a cheap-ass, I appreciate the 1,000 B sessions I get there. For those of you who have never been to Linda's, it's up on the ramp of Patpong 2. Poorly lit, dirty, and they throw a pillow and small mattress on the floor in a little nook of the bar where the deed is done. However, the girls at Linda's Place are very hit and miss in terms of looks. I've always gotten a decent shag there, but most of the time the ladies are older and not very attractive. I used to have a regular girl there who was 19 and farm fresh with a stellar body, but quite homely. Occasionally, I hit young and pretty, but it's uncommon. Linda's Place holds a special place in my heart because it's the only location where I could do a 3 way and the girls didn't make me change condoms and one girl would eat out the other girl with me at the same time. But that's been several years ago.

However, last week I got lucky with Khun Aye and went back 2 days in a row. Each time I went she was the only girl working (but on the first visit when I left there were 4 girls outside waiting for customers). Khun Aye said she's 21 and had been there 3 months, but she must have experience from someplace else because she knew how to kiss and fuck really well. Cute, bubbly, pretty, and an incredible small and tight body. She has to be less than 100 pounds because I could pick her up and throw her into the air multiple times which made her giggle like crazy. I'm betting she won't be there long as she would make a fun girlfriend. Zero English, though. Everything had to be in Thai.

Aye threw down the old mattress and pillow and went to get her stuff. While I undressed, Mamasan poked her head in and in English said "You want blow job and boom-boom? 1,500 B. " I answered her in Thai that it's always 1,000 B. I guess she realized she wasn't dealing with a nervous tourist and went back to the bar. Later the old lady said her name was Linda, but I told her Linda was a grand-mother's name and she was too young to be named Linda. She liked this.

Aye and I had a very nice session each time. Decent BBBJ and pretty good overall FS. Her body is so tight and her hole so little I had to lube up a lot to get in her. Lots of DFK and DATY and me giving her rim job, too. I didn't request A+, but I will next time and see what she says. I'll probably ST her so we can fuck in a bit nicer environment where I won't get bedbugs from a filthy old mattress. I finished each time with me standing and holding her in my arms bouncing her up and down. Good leg workout at the same time. Paid directly to Aye and she cleaned up. Return? Of course. And I'm willing to take my chances on old and ugly girls to get lucky once in a while.

[QUOTE=SenatorDavis;2088311]Landed bkk Saturday afternoon. Made through passport control no issues and exchanged some cash near baggage claim. Got 31.23 rate / usd. Took uber to my hotel for 375 baht. Didn't even bother dealing with the taxi mafia. Heavy traffic to hotel but uneventful. The hotel gave an exchange rate of 30. They told me about a place called super rich that exchanged 32.75 and is this the highest I've seen.

There is a SuperRich on the bottom level of BKK right before trains that usually has best rates. In fact, there are 2. There is also one at the Nana and Asok BTS stations. Just need your passport and some crisp bills. Don't take your dirty crumpled or worn bills there.[/QUOTE]You can find SuperRich, Value Plus and others also at Suvarnabhumi Airport. Floor B, next to the Airport Rail Link ticket office. Very good exchange rate.

I am a newbie and will be going to Thailand in 2 weeks, this thread has been really helpful and I would like to thank everyone who has shared their wonderful experience, I am from Indian origin and I know my people don't have a good reputation in many places.

Someone mentioned that Twister is a good and a friendly place, so I will surely try that. Any other recommendations for first timers?

Any idea how are the "Arab" ladies outside Grace hotel? Has anyone tried them? What about the CIS street hookers around that area?

Since the past 1 week I have been just reading and reading and I am kinda nervous about the whole thing. My hotel charges around 1000 bht as a joiner fee, so any recommendation about a good ST hotel near NANA?

Again Thank You and I will surely share my experience once I go and come back from Thailand.

Last year, Angelwitch had some awesome dancers (actual shows, not the bargirl shufflers you expect at a gogo, though there were some of those, too) sexy outfits, and some decent lookers. It also had a mostly western clientele. One of their gals gave me one of the damn-near best nights of my life. Anyone been by lately? My own trip is rapidly approaching, so I'm curious to know if the place still has it or if it fell off. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Slash787;2088516]I am a newbie and will be going to Thailand in 2 weeks, this thread has been really helpful and I would like to thank everyone who has shared their wonderful experience, I am from Indian origin and I know my people don't have a good reputation in many places.

Someone mentioned that Twister is a good and a friendly place, so I will surely try that. Any other recommendations for first timers?

Any idea how are the "Arab" ladies outside Grace hotel? Has anyone tried them? What about the CIS street hookers around that area?

Since the past 1 week I have been just reading and reading and I am kinda nervous about the whole thing. My hotel charges around 1000 bht as a joiner fee, so any recommendation about a good ST hotel near NANA?

Again Thank You and I will surely share my experience once I go and come back from Thailand.[/QUOTE]I think Indians are welcome in almost all oily and soapy massage places in BKK. You might like the experience of choosing the girl you want from a selection My advice is to do like I do, which is to clean yourself up, wear decent clothes along with a smile, don't be pushy and go with the flow of the girl, which will result in a better experience.

[QUOTE=Slash787;2088516]I am a newbie and will be going to Thailand in 2 weeks, this thread has been really helpful and I would like to thank everyone who has shared their wonderful experience, I am from Indian origin and I know my people don't have a good reputation in many places.

Someone mentioned that Twister is a good and a friendly place, so I will surely try that. Any other recommendations for first timers?

Any idea how are the "Arab" ladies outside Grace hotel? Has anyone tried them? What about the CIS street hookers around that area?

Since the past 1 week I have been just reading and reading and I am kinda nervous about the whole thing. My hotel charges around 1000 bht as a joiner fee, so any recommendation about a good ST hotel near NANA?

Again Thank You and I will surely share my experience once I go and come back from Thailand.[/QUOTE]With so many girl friendly hotels around (almost all) why in the right mind would anybody stay at a place where they charge any joining fee never mind 1,000! Maybe I'm missing something.

Does anyone have a good list of Thai phrases to use with Thai girls easy enough for non Thai speakers?

[QUOTE=RacShack;2088792]With so many girl friendly hotels around (almost all) why in the right mind would anybody stay at a place where they charge any joining fee never mind 1,000! Maybe I'm missing something.[/QUOTE]Well my mom is a travel agent and she booked the hotel for me and as a mother she does not wants me to stay in a non guest friendly hotel, she didn't want me to go Thailand in the first place, but I got a very good deal for stopping over for 3 days in the same price of my tickets back from Hong Kong.

Arrive tomorrow.

Absolutely blow away (excuse pun) with the notion of walking into a place, getting a beer, getting blown, cleaned up and then walking away happy. A couple of online articles have said that Farangs may not be welcome at some of these establishments.

Would like nice recos for places I can safely go to without being turned away.

P.S. I am a clean white looking, good looking Brit-Indian.

I am desperately wanting a blowjob at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] BJ bar and I am very concerned. I walked by there the other day and the girls seated outside all said "come inside!" I asked them "what kind of bar is this?" and they all replied in unison "BLOW JOB BAR!" all smiling. They grabbed my arms and tried to lead me inside and said "inside!" However, I am confused as to whether they would accept me since I recently read a post that farangs may not be welcome.

P.S. - I am clean (bathe at least once a month), white (depending on how long I have been in the sun), and a God damn good looking man (depending on lighting, not that I can always depend on that lighting).

Do you think I have a chance of getting a BJ there? This is truly a conundrum.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2089018]I walked by there the other day and the girls seated outside all said "come inside!" I asked them "what kind of bar is this?" and they all replied in unison "BLOW JOB BAR!" all smiling. They grabbed my arms and tried to lead me inside and said "inside!" However, I am confused as to whether they would accept me since I recently read a post that farangs may not be welcome.

P.S. - I am clean (bathe at least once a month), white (depending on how long I have been in the sun), and a God damn good looking man (depending on lighting, not that I can always depend on that lighting).

Do you think I have a chance of getting a BJ there? This is truly a conundrum.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I thought you were skipping Bangkok for the time being?

[QUOTE=Gardelito;2088911]Does anyone have a good list of Thai phrases to use with Thai girls easy enough for non Thai speakers?[/QUOTE]Are you talking about Thai words and phrases for ordinary meeting, greeting and conversation type communication or words and phrases specific to sex, sex acts and the P4P scene?

I have never encountered a useful one for the latter (the sex phrasebook) but would download and install such an app if there was one. I have seen various written phrases here and there on these sites. But nothing like an app where there is a recording of a native Thai speaker saying it clearly and accurately.

However, there are several apps that do that kind of thing for ordinary meeting, greeting and communication words and phrases.

The one I used in the beginning was the Learn Thai Pro Phrasebook app by Codegent. I don't know if it is available in the Apple App Store but it is available in the Google Play Store. Don't remember how much it cost but was probably less than $2 USD 4-5 years ago. There is a free version of it but I don't think the free one has words and phrases related to dating and a few other useful categories.

[QUOTE=Grondig77;2089016]Arrive tomorrow.

Absolutely blow away (excuse pun) with the notion of walking into a place, getting a beer, getting blown, cleaned up and then walking away happy. A couple of online articles have said that Farangs may not be welcome at some of these establishments.

Would like nice recos for places I can safely go to without being turned away.

P.S. I am a clean white looking, good looking Brit-Indian.[/QUOTE]You should be able to get exactly what you described in:

L0lita's Bar.
Kasalong Bar.
Wood Bar.
Som's Haven.
Magic Table.
Lollipop1.
Star of Light.

And a few others in and around Bangkok.

Do you have a link to the articles stating Farangs might not be welcome at such establishments? Sounds like an amusing read.

[QUOTE=Grondig77;2089023]I thought you were skipping Bangkok for the time being?[/QUOTE]Just October.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2089268]The one I used in the beginning was the Learn Thai Pro Phrasebook app by Codegent. I don't know if it is available in the Apple App Store but it is available in the Google Play Store. Don't remember how much it cost but was probably less than $2 USD 4-5 years ago. There is a free version of it but I don't think the free one has words and phrases related to dating and a few other useful categories.[/QUOTE]Agree this is a good app. It's around 150 baht to purchase.

Arrived around 8:30 pm. I was surprised to see how many girls were already available. Some still doing their make up on the floor. I was even more surprised how few guys there were. Even until I left around 10 pm there were very few guys. Since a hot topic about Thermae is whether farang or Indian men are welcome. All farang and indian men I saw in there seemed to be able to talk to the girls they approached. Saw a girl or should I say lady since she looked 40+ and an indian guy spend over an hour together in the middle section.

As usual, the best area is on the left side as you walk in from Sukhumvit. From the cashier to about half way down the wall. Maybe 5 or 6 girls I would have taken from that section. I noticed a couple of very petite girls under 145 cm. Both very very good looking and young looking. Both were snatched within a minute of hitting the floor by a Japanese perv. One literally within seconds.

All in all the talent was down from my last visit about 6 months ago. Maybe because I recognize over half of the girls in the place. There were still 10 girls I could have easily went with. I decided not to go with anyone since I wanted to go to Soi Cowboy. I'll be back in a week or so.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2089270]You should be able to get exactly what you described in:

L0lita's Bar.
Kasalong Bar.
Wood Bar.
Som's Haven.
Magic Table.
Lollipop1.
Star of Light.

And a few others in and around Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for the info. Is it necessary to buy a drink for yourself or a lady drink in these places?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2089270]You should be able to get exactly what you described in:

L0lita's Bar.
Kasalong Bar.
Wood Bar.
Som's Haven.
Magic Table.
Lollipop1.
Star of Light.

And a few others in and around Bangkok.

Do you have a link to the articles stating Farangs might not be welcome at such establishments? Sounds like an amusing read.[/QUOTE]Awesome!!

Woods bar is the one I've heard about the most. Will check it out tonight!

Will send you PM, as I didn't think links were allowed.

[QUOTE=Gardelito;2088911]Does anyone have a good list of Thai phrases to use with Thai girls easy enough for non Thai speakers?[/QUOTE]You can't just read a list of Thai phrases and expect to be able to use them with Thai girls. There is a major issue. Many Thai words have vowel sounds that are not so similar to English or American vowels. They are closer to German vowel sounds, but still the odd strange one. There are also 3 consonant sounds not really in English and others like G, L and R vary from English way. Finally there are 5 different tones to deal with, and only low tone is really like English way of speaking. Even making syllables long or short can be tricky as a learner.

So hearing Thai spoken is critical, and in a quiet environment. Our ears can't even hear Thai correctly. You need a teacher at the start to help you change your pronunciation to get it close to understandable. It is possible for a Thai girl to teach you, if she is very patient and speaks slowly and clearly.

You are probably much better of with Thai girls that can speak English. Although 25 years ago I spent much time with Thai girls with virtually zero English, that forced my Thai to progress.

Some day I will post a list of sexual words and phrases here, but it will be intended for those who can already speak Thai a bit or understand Thai pronunciation.

Took me six months to get a really good grip on Thai pronunciation and that was at age 35. It is not that easy. After understanding pronunciation, the rest starts to come easy. Grammar is very simple, it's just Vocab after that. 25 years later, I am still studying Thai Vocab.

Here is a website for Thai Sexual phrases:
[url]http://www.thai-language.com/id/589875[/url]

Paiboon Thai-English-Thai Talking Dic. App is very good and has some sections that include phrases on various topics, including for chatting to girls I think. However it is not a teaching of basics thing. More a good reference dictionary.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2089268]Are you talking about Thai words and phrases for ordinary meeting, greeting and conversation type communication or words and phrases specific to sex, sex acts and the P4P scene?

I have never encountered a useful one for the latter (the sex phrasebook) but would download and install such an app if there was one. I have seen various written phrases here and there on these sites. But nothing like an app where there is a recording of a native Thai speaker saying it clearly and accurately.

However, there are several apps that do that kind of thing for ordinary meeting, greeting and communication words and phrases.

The one I used in the beginning was the Learn Thai Pro Phrasebook app by Codegent. I don't know if it is available in the Apple App Store but it is available in the Google Play Store. Don't remember how much it cost but was probably less than $2 USD 4-5 years ago. There is a free version of it but I don't think the free one has words and phrases related to dating and a few other useful categories.[/QUOTE]The "Talking Thai", Thai to English dictionary app from Paiboon Publishing has a high quality audio function in addition to the dictionary and has just about any sex related word you can think of such as fuck, blow job, cum, pussy, clitoris, dick etc. Plus a few insults if you are so inclined like asshole, fucker and dickhead. I loaded it on my iPod a few years ago for about $25 US.

[QUOTE=Slash787;2089290]Thanks a lot for the info. Is it necessary to buy a drink for yourself or a lady drink in these places?[/QUOTE]No, drinks or ladydrinks are not mandatory. Up to you. You can just grab your girl outside and go directly upstair for the BBBJ.

[QUOTE=Soroche;2089337]The "Talking Thai", Thai to English dictionary app from Paiboon Publishing has a high quality audio function in addition to the dictionary and has just about any sex related word you can think of such as fuck, blow job, cum, pussy, clitoris, dick etc. Plus a few insults if you are so inclined like asshole, fucker and dickhead. I loaded it on my iPod a few years ago for about $25 US.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the lead. But for me it wouldn't be all that useful to know those words exactly. I mean, generally it is solved by just pointing to those areas of the body. The useful factor for me would be to hear loud and clear a fluent Thai speaker ask specialized sexual/P4P questions that might not be the standard procedure like, "Will you finish a blowjob with me cumming inside your mouth?", "Will you finish by swallowing my semen?", "Will we fuck like a real boyfriend and girlfriend, without condom, and I finish inside your pussy?" Things like that.

Asking about standard stuff like licking around the edges (if at all), slipping on a condom and regular FS procedure is kind of unnecessary IMO. Most of the time a man wouldn't have to clearify that kind of thing upfront in an interview at all. He could just pay the barfine, take her hand and go. But you sometimes have to mime and repeat a question 2-3 times to get them to understand that, no, when you acted out a BJ and pointed to your mouth that did not mean while wearing a condom and it did not mean you wanted to finish cumming ON her mouth. LOL.

Does that talking dictionary have those kinds of more difficult, non standard questions in it?

Are you joking about bathing once a month?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2089018]

P.S. - I am clean (bathe at least once a month), white (depending on how long I have been in the sun), and a God damn good looking man (depending on lighting, not that I can always depend on that lighting).

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2089404]Are you joking about bathing once a month?[/QUOTE]Why do you ask? Is once a month too much for you??

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2089359]No, drinks or ladydrinks are not mandatory. Up to you. You can just grab your girl outside and go directly upstair for the BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Ahh, that was another question I had. BBBJ!?

I guess I'll find out soon enough.

[QUOTE=Hotman666;2089407]Why do you ask? Is once a month too much for you??[/QUOTE]To Each His Own.

[QUOTE=Grondig77;2089408]Ahh, that was another question I had. BBBJ!?[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1897-Terms-and-Abbreviations-List&p=347868&viewfull=1[/URL]#post347868.

[QUOTE=Grondig77;2089408]Ahh, that was another question I had. BBBJ!?

I guess I'll find out soon enough.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=Abbreviations[/URL]

Bare Back Blow Job (oral sex without condom).

It seems the Five Star bar in Soi Cowboy has closed its doors. It was probably the bar with the ugliest girls in Soi Cowboy, but I still enjoyed dropping by for a few beers and some live music. It was one of these joint that was DIFFERENT in the bar scene. I guess is catered for falangs above 50 due to the music style and ambience. I once had the pleasure of meeting a world famous rock star in this bar (I will not reveal his name) and he actually barfined one of the ladies on stage! If it is gone for good I will surely miss this bar. Let us hope for a re-opening with better band and better girls!

Kinda exciting walking into the place, like knowing what's about to happen. Although, felt the act itself was a bit inpersonal. You get to chat / connect a bit with the lady in an AMP or pick up joint, whereas with this experience you don't.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2089368]Thanks for the lead. But for me it wouldn't be all that useful to know those words exactly. I mean, generally it is solved by just pointing to those areas of the body. The useful factor for me would be to hear loud and clear a fluent Thai speaker ask specialized sexual/P4P questions that might not be the standard procedure like, "Will you finish a blowjob with me cumming inside your mouth?", "Will you finish by swallowing my semen?", "Will we fuck like a real boyfriend and girlfriend, without condom, and I finish inside your pussy?" Things like that.

Asking about standard stuff like licking around the edges (if at all), slipping on a condom and regular FS procedure is kind of unnecessary IMO. Most of the time a man wouldn't have to clearify that kind of thing upfront in an interview at all. He could just pay the barfine, take her hand and go. But you sometimes have to mime and repeat a question 2-3 times to get them to understand that, no, when you acted out a BJ and pointed to your mouth that did not mean while wearing a condom and it did not mean you wanted to finish cumming ON her mouth. LOL.

Does that talking dictionary have those kinds of more difficult, non standard questions in it?[/QUOTE]Ha Ha! Thais do not enjoy to hear very explicit talk the same straight way you would say it in English, and more inclined to use Euphemisms, however I do appreciate the need for you to get precise information about what you will get. No standard books are going to cover your questions.

Still I might have a go at translating your questions into good Thai. I can consult some Thai girl sexual expert (my main regular Gik who speaks excellent English as well) when I am not 100% sure. However probably not necessary this time. My Thai is pretty good. You could consult Talking Dictionaries if unsure how to pronounce the words, once I give Thai script as well.

So I will get back shortly with some pretty clear Thai both Thai script and Romanised but here is first rough attempt off the cuff.

The first ones are relatively easy:

"Set khang nai bpaak dai mai?" Can I cum in your mouth.

"laew hai khun geun duay dai mai?" and then can you swallow it as well. This is really most impolite question, since it is not your business what she does with the cum after taking it in the mouth. It will mark you as somewhat of a "psycho" IMHO. So I would never ask this question.

"ao bpaep mai sai bplork dai mai?" Can I do it without a condom?

"laew set khang nai jim dai mai?" Can I finish inside your pussy?

"tham meuan waa bpen faen duay gan dai mai?" Can we do it just like we were a BF and GF couple?

There, it is not so tough, if know basic Thai words, e. G. "Geun" for Swallow. I wrote the Thai very straight without too many Euphemisms, except "Ao" means to "take" so is a very common word to mean "fuck" but not quite so harsh. "Set" means to "finish". I avoided medical style terminology. "Jim" rising tone is a polite word for pussy, better than "hoi" (shellfish) or "hee" (very impolite like "c-unt".

2 the time in four days in I stopped by lollipop1 and they only had two ugly girls even by BJ bar standards so I decided to try SOM Haven and man they had so many girls there they could have staffed a GO GO bar. Took the girl that was next in the cue and she did the job expertly without complaining. Asked her why there were so many girls there and she said it was the usual but whatever it worked for me. Soi 7-1 seems to be on its last leg or is certainly on the decline which may explains why some of those girls are so pissy. There used to be a festive atmosphere when I would venture down this Soi in the past but its just not the same. They also closed one of my fav massage shop there. Lolit@s and Kasalong also had a good selection out front.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2089552]Ha Ha! Thais do not enjoy to hear very explicit talk the same straight way you would say it in English, and more inclined to use Euphemisms, however I do appreciate the need for you to get precise information about what you will get. No standard books are going to cover your questions.

Still I might have a go at translating your questions into good Thai. I can consult some Thai girl sexual expert (my main regular Gik who speaks excellent English as well) when I am not 100% sure. However probably not necessary this time. My Thai is pretty good. You could consult Talking Dictionaries if unsure how to pronounce the words, once I give Thai script as well.

So I will get back shortly with some pretty clear Thai both Thai script and Romanised but here is first rough attempt off the cuff.

The first ones are relatively easy:

"Set khang nai bpaak dai mai?" Can I cum in your mouth.

"laew hai khun geun duay dai mai?" and then can you swallow it as well. This is really most impolite question, since it is not your business what she does with the cum after taking it in the mouth. It will mark you as somewhat of a "psycho" IMHO. So I would never ask this question..[/QUOTE]Thanks for this useful words!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2089552]Ha Ha! Thais do not enjoy to hear very explicit talk the same straight way you would say it in English, and more inclined to use Euphemisms, however I do appreciate the need for you to get precise information about what you will get. No standard books are going to cover your questions.

Still I might have a go at translating your questions into good Thai. I can consult some Thai girl sexual expert (my main regular Gik who speaks excellent English as well) when I am not 100% sure. However probably not necessary this time. My Thai is pretty good. You could consult Talking Dictionaries if unsure how to pronounce the words, once I give Thai script as well.

So I will get back shortly with some pretty clear Thai both Thai script and Romanised but here is first rough attempt off the cuff.

The first ones are relatively easy:

"Set khang nai bpaak dai mai?" Can I cum in your mouth.

"laew hai khun geun duay dai mai?" and then can you swallow it as well. This is really most impolite question, since it is not your business what she does with the cum after taking it in the mouth. It will mark you as somewhat of a "psycho" IMHO. So I would never ask this question.

"ao bpaep mai sai bplork dai mai?" Can I do it without a condom?

"laew set khang nai jim dai mai?" Can I finish inside your pussy?

"tham meuan waa bpen faen duay gan dai mai?" Can we do it just like we were a BF and GF couple?

There, it is not so tough, if know basic Thai words, e. G. "Geun" for Swallow. I wrote the Thai very straight without too many Euphemisms, except "Ao" means to "take" so is a very common word to mean "fuck" but not quite so harsh. "Set" means to "finish". I avoided medical style terminology. "Jim" rising tone is a polite word for pussy, better than "hoi" (shellfish) or "hee" (very impolite like "c-unt".[/QUOTE]Thanks for what you have posted so far on this, Syzy.

[QUOTE]"laew hai khun geun duay dai mai?" and then can you swallow it as well. This is really most impolite question, since it is not your business what she does with the cum after taking it in the mouth. It will mark you as somewhat of a "psycho" IMHO. So I would never ask this question.[/QUOTE]Of course, it is always the girl's business what she does with the cum after taking it in her mouth. Right up until the moment she agrees to swallow it for an agreed upon price. That's when it becomes "our" business what she does with it. Or the agreement is off and she gets paid less. No problem.

Have to say I have met an awful lot of Thai girls over the past 5 years or so dancing in go-go bars, freelancing in and out of the clubs, posting on the dating sites, working in restaurants and mall shops that apparently are quite alright having sex with "psychos" in this regard. Good lord, what must the girls think of the men who stand before a line up and ask for a show of hands if they are ready for a bit of ass licking/rimming and butt fucking? They must suspect those guys just killed a guard and escaped an Insane Asylum 90 minutes ahead of the arrival of the police.

[QUOTE=Grondig77;2089303]Awesome!!

Woods bar is the one I've heard about the most. Will check it out tonight!

Will send you PM, as I didn't think links were allowed.[/QUOTE]If you are referring to Wood Bar in Soi 7/1, then Chrome Bar is also in the same soi and I believe offers the same service.

In my opinion members who say Thai girls consider certain requests as the behavior of a psycho (insane mad dangerous) are really showing what sexual practices they themselves consider not quite kosher. Fisting swallowing to name two recent examples are simply sexual preferences not what most people desire but perfectly acceptable between consenting adults. With some 20 years experience of knowing Thai working girls I don't believe they are repulsed if asked if they can provide particular services. They simply tell the customer they don't provide that service in the same way they will say they do not provide anal CIM rimming kissing to name some common no's.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2089552]

The first ones are relatively easy:

"Set khang nai bpaak dai mai?" Can I cum in your mouth.

"laew hai khun geun duay dai mai?" and then can you swallow it as well. This is really most impolite question, since it is not your business what she does with the cum after taking it in the mouth. It will mark you as somewhat of a "psycho" IMHO. So I would never ask this question.

"ao bpaep mai sai bplork dai mai?" Can I do it without a condom?

"laew set khang nai jim dai mai?" Can I finish inside your pussy?

"tham meuan waa bpen faen duay gan dai mai?" Can we do it just like we were a BF and GF couple?

There, it is not so tough, if know basic Thai words, e. G. "Geun" for Swallow. I wrote the Thai very straight without too many Euphemisms, except "Ao" means to "take" so is a very common word to mean "fuck" but not quite so harsh. "Set" means to "finish". I avoided medical style terminology. "Jim" rising tone is a polite word for pussy, better than "hoi" (shellfish) or "hee" (very impolite like "c-unt".[/QUOTE]Syzy, before an army of of ISG readers go marching out to ask their Thai girls these questions, I must point out that you changed the way I worded the quesitons in my earlier post and in a way that I suspect makes a significant difference. Particularly with Thai P4P girls, it might mean all the difference in the world.

I worded my questions "Will you?" but I think you provided translations for "Can you?" questions. At least, that is how you worded the English versions of them. I should have mentioned it earlier but I didn't catch it right away.

Of course, virtually every girl in the world "can" do the things I mentioned. Therefore, those are not very important questions in these situations. The key question, always, is "will" she do them for you. This is particularly pertinent to interactions with Thai P4P girls, who I have found tend to seize upon any opportunity to play word games in this regard in order to make the customer think she has agreed to something she has not; her saying "ok" in response to any question sexual or otherwise rather than a clear and unambiguous "yes" being the most common one in my experience.

Will you also provide the translations for "Will you?" do the things I mentioned rather than merely "Can you?" hehe

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2089763]In my opinion members who say Thai girls consider certain requests as the behavior of a psycho (insane mad dangerous) are really showing what sexual practices they themselves consider not quite kosher. Fisting swallowing to name two recent examples are simply sexual preferences not what most people desire but perfectly acceptable between consenting adults. With some 20 years experience of knowing Thai working girls I don't believe they are repulsed if asked if they can provide particular services. They simply tell the customer they don't provide that service in the same way they will say they do not provide anal CIM rimming kissing to name some common no's.[/QUOTE]Well, I do believe one could argue that many if not most Thai girls are not used to having those questions or actions asked of them since it is contrary to their culture. To which I say, "So what?" Perhaps "Great!" is a better reaction.

While many of us fret over getting the wai just right, the this "khrup" or that "khrup" in there, not pointing our toes toward whatever, not touching a person's head in public and so on, embracing Thai culture too much is a big mistake for our purposes here imo. After living with and being married to a Bangkok born and raised Thai woman for 12+ years, visiting Thailand many times in the past and now having lived here full time for about 5 years, partaking sexually of literally hundreds of different Thai go-go dancers, bar girls, freelancers, regular non P4P dating girls and so on, it is my humble opinion that one never wants to lose his "Farang-ness" by trying to turn himself into some kind of imitation Thai man except one taller, with lighter skin and a bigger dick. That runs the risk of presenting these women with something they long ago found dull as dishwater about their Thai men and robs you of the very thing that stimulates and intrigues them into wanting to impress you with what they can and will do sexually. Yes, even more than the color of our skin, the size of our dicks, the bridge of our noses and the money we can pay them.

The money will certainly get you the basic standard Thai fare in the bedroom, no doubt about it. The kind of standard most Thai men are used to getting from their women. But it is your Farang-ness that will get you the enthusiastic bareback and/or BBBJ CIM (with or without Swallowing at the end) that is much more the standard in western culture. Because it is mercifully different from what they are used to. You see these girls jumping at the chance to be with Japanese guys? But you don't see those Japanese guys trying their best to come off as "Thai" for those girls, right? Hell no. They unabashedly and without apology maintain their Japanese ways and, shrewdly, expect the Thai girl they are with to get her shit together and accommodate them. That is not only much more interesting and intriguing to these females, it is generally a more masculine approach anyway and being more masculine almost always delivers more rewards from women than the alternative.

If anything, digging deeper and longer with more articulate, better educated and more honest Thai women reveals that many of them are turned off by Farangs trying too hard to behave like a real Thai. Seriously. They will among themselves deride and mock the behavior. It can be a real turn off for them. That isn't the thing about you that gets them wet. Being direct, being bold about what you want and essentially challenging them to up their game and deliver what you expect is much more stimulating to them than demonstrating a remarkable fluency with the language.

You might even hear many Thai women say they would rather you not learn to speak Thai so well, just a few of the basics is fine. Well, I used to think that was because they didn't want us to overhear and understand what they were saying about us. LOL. That might be part of it. But I have since come to believe it is more because they really don't want us to "become" more Thai. It just doesn't look or feel right to them. And, more pertinent to our purposes here, it is not the least bit sexier to them. Trying to speak some of the basics is cute, charming and even sexy to them. You are trying, demonstrating courage in doing so and not afraid to make a mistake along the way. And that is also a very masculine trait. But rattling off reams of fluent Thai expressions and getting all the cultural behaviors right is not sexier to them. In fact, it more often than not can generate quite the opposite reaction.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2089891]You might even hear many Thai women say they would rather you not learn to speak Thai so well, just a few of the basics is fine. Well, I used to think that was because they didn't want us to overhear and understand what they were saying about us. LOL. That might be part of it. But I have since come to believe it is more because they really don't want us to "become" more Thai. It just doesn't look or feel right to them. And, more pertinent to our purposes here, it is not the least bit sexier to them. Trying to speak some of the basics is cute, charming and even sexy to them. You are trying, demonstrating courage in doing so and not afraid to make a mistake along the way. And that is also a very masculine trait. But rattling off reams of fluent Thai expressions and getting all the cultural behaviors right is not sexier to them. In fact, it more often than not can generate quite the opposite reaction. [/QUOTE]I think a perfect complementary example is when Indians who are "fresh off the boat" come to America. Even though they can speak English well, they are still very foreign and will be forever. They look, smell, talk different and all have an "Indian-ness" about them that will NEVER go away. Unlike Indians who were born and raised in America. So a falang can never, ever, ever actually be like a Thai unless they were actually bred in Thailand from a young age (there are none except half-breeds). The best that a real falang (like us) can do is become an imitator (trying to hard, turn off and also self deprecating), imitating at better levels. And yes, sticking to their original identity is far better. It's just a branding thing.

However, that doesn't mean learning Thai is a bad idea. It's like having the keys to the kingdom. You can communicate with everyone else sufficiently. Someone steals your shit in a market, you can call them out. So, just sticking to communication is best and avoiding the intricacies of Thai culture and the kind of Thai needed for real deep and meaningful pillow talk (as I think you are saying). It just won't work in a head-on manner as a white guy has that branding going for him, he should embrace it. Yes, trying to be Thai is over-the-top corny at best. Another thing about "proper branding" is that I was "getting it for free" from a hooker because she just wanted to show-off and make her friends envious that she had (another) falang gik (and / or she alluded to me sponsoring her since my condo looks nice). She basically came over about 20 x times, snapped photos and bragged to her friends back home (and hooker friends also, separate chats). Much better than posting pictures from her soapy / brothel since everyone knows what it looks like online. Stick with the falang branding, that's all Thai's understand. But do learn Thai for basic communication, but not Thai-level articulation / participation. It's actually a step down in appearances as it makes it look like the falang is trying too hard and has too much free time to learn a useless (in his home) language.

Lastly, different Thai women will "advise" against their falang gik / BF / husband / sponsor learning Thai for different reasons. One thing to note, they are NOT on your side, ever. They are on their families side first, and all the other hookers in Thailand side second (yes, they all take up for each other and have empathy for each other, like a common plight). They are only drawn to the money / status-symbol of having the falang brand. Heck Isaan women will brag about having a geriatric sugar daddy on their main facebook that their family / village sees. They don't want you to learn Thai, because it will disrupt their plans / manipulations more so than it will make their panties less wet. Women don't give direct advice / tips on how to turn them on, but they do give direct "advice / tips" with regards to manipulating falangs.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2089891]Well, I do believe one could argue that many if not most Thai girls are not used to having those questions or actions asked of them since it is contrary to their culture. To which I say, "So what?" Perhaps "Great!" is a better reaction.

While many of us fret over getting the wai just right, the this "khrup" or that "khrup" in there, not pointing our toes toward whatever, not touching a person's head in public and so on, embracing Thai culture too much is a big mistake for our purposes here imo. After living with and being married to a Bangkok born and raised Thai woman for 12+ years, visiting Thailand many times in the past and now having lived here full time for about 5 years, partaking sexually of literally hundreds of different Thai go-go dancers, bar girls, freelancers, regular non P4P dating girls and so on, it is my humble opinion that one never wants to lose his "Farang-ness" by trying to turn himself into some kind of imitation Thai man except one taller, with lighter skin and a bigger dick. That runs the risk of presenting these women with something they long ago found dull as dishwater about their Thai men and robs you of the very thing that stimulates and intrigues them into wanting to impress you with what they can and will do sexually. Yes, even more than the color of our skin, the size of our dicks, the bridge of our noses and the money we can pay them.

The money will certainly get you the basic standard Thai fare in the bedroom, no doubt about it. The kind of standard most Thai men are used to getting from their women. But it is your Farang-ness that will get you the enthusiastic bareback and/or BBBJ CIM (with or without Swallowing at the end) that is much more the standard in western culture. Because it is mercifully different from what they are used to. You see these girls jumping at the chance to be with Japanese guys? But you don't see those Japanese guys trying their best to come off as "Thai" for those girls, right? Hell no. They unabashedly and without apology maintain their Japanese ways and, shrewdly, expect the Thai girl they are with to get her shit together and accommodate them. That is not only much more interesting and intriguing to these females, it is generally a more masculine approach anyway and being more masculine almost always delivers more rewards from women than the alternative..[/QUOTE]I have to commend you for putting together in one post all the experiences, observations and assumptions I have had over the past 10 years of living here but was unable to verbalize. I can confirm everything you wrote about from personal experience but it took many years to acquire that basic level of understanding with a fair amount of frustration and pain along the way.

I was in crazy house a few nights ago and I noticed a few times that guys taking girls out seemed to be paying.

The moma san up front for the bar fine and the pay for the lady.

Is this the way it has to be in crazy house?

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2089942]I think a perfect complementary example is when Indians who are "fresh off the boat" come to America. Even though they can speak English well, they are still very foreign and will be forever. They look, smell, talk different and all have an "Indian-ness" about them that will NEVER go away. Unlike Indians who were born and raised in America. So a falang can never, ever, ever actually be like a Thai unless they were actually bred in Thailand from a young age (there are none except half-breeds). The best that a real falang (like us) can do is become an imitator (trying to hard, turn off and also self deprecating), imitating at better levels. And yes, sticking to their original identity is far better. It's just a branding thing.

However, that doesn't mean learning Thai is a bad idea. It's like having the keys to the kingdom. You can communicate with everyone else sufficiently. Someone steals your shit in a market, you can call them out. So, just sticking to communication is best and avoiding the intricacies of Thai culture and the kind of Thai needed for real deep and meaningful pillow talk (as I think you are saying). It just won't work in a head-on manner as a white guy has that branding going for him, he should embrace it. Yes, trying to be Thai is over-the-top corny at best. Another thing about "proper branding" is that I was "getting it for free" from a hooker because she just wanted to show-off and make her friends envious that she had (another) falang gik (and / or she alluded to me sponsoring her since my condo looks nice). She basically came over about 20 x times, snapped photos and bragged to her friends back home (and hooker friends also, separate chats). Much better than posting pictures from her soapy / brothel since everyone knows what it looks like online. Stick with the falang branding, that's all Thai's understand. But do learn Thai for basic communication, but not Thai-level articulation / participation. It's actually a step down in appearances as it makes it look like the falang is trying too hard and has too much free time to learn a useless (in his home) language.

Lastly, different Thai women will "advise" against their falang gik / BF / husband / sponsor learning Thai for different reasons. One thing to note, they are NOT on your side, ever. They are on their families side first, and all the other hookers in Thailand side second (yes, they all take up for each other and have empathy for each other, like a common plight). They are only drawn to the money / status-symbol of having the falang brand. Heck Isaan women will brag about having a geriatric sugar daddy on their main facebook that their family / village sees. They don't want you to learn Thai, because it will disrupt their plans / manipulations more so than it will make their panties less wet. Women don't give direct advice / tips on how to turn them on, but they do give direct "advice / tips" with regards to manipulating falangs.[/QUOTE]Is it not a kind of racist post against a particular community, which we should avoid IMHO on this common forum.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2089763]In my opinion members who say Thai girls consider certain requests as the behavior of a psycho (insane mad dangerous) are really showing what sexual practices they themselves consider not quite kosher.[/QUOTE]A walk down Soi 6 in Pattaya will fix that. They will leave thinking those chicks are psycho, insane, mad, and dangerous.

I agree the ladies are not overly impressed with farangs who pick up the lingo especially those that insist on communicating with them in Thai. I feel they prefer that invisible protective barrier of we not understanding what they are talking about when they are chatting amongst themselves. They will be far more impressed and interested in your generosity and your respect for them.

I do feel strongly that everybody needs to respect the culture of the country they are visiting no matter how odd or even difficult to understand. However in the p4 p world there should be no set rules on what you can ask for, what is available will be determined by the individual providers and all over the world no matter your preferences you will find somebody willing to provide them.

A lot gets written on the lack of sincerity of Thai working girls and their obsession on fleecing the farang. Yes of course it's there but I don't buy the argument that it's as all consuming and as pervasive as some suggest.

[QUOTE=Tomba1808;2090037]I was in crazy house a few nights ago and I noticed a few times that guys taking girls out seemed to be paying.

The moma san up front for the bar fine and the pay for the lady.

Is this the way it has to be in crazy house?[/QUOTE]It depends. Well known customers like me never pay up front. I rarely even had to discuss the price with the girl. If a customer is not trusted to pay fairly or according to agreement reached, then girls who have been ripped off before may be scared can happen again, and may ask for payment up front. I don't like to pay suspect girls up front myself (I never do in bars so far). I prefer it when the price is not discussed giving me the option to decide what is fair after 2 hours of fabulous DFK fucking or an abort after 10 minutes with straight stiff legged dick scared girls, or somewhere in between.

I am not stingy. I pay well when it is deserved and I got a good reputation with mamasans and girls.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2089623]
Have to say I have met an awful lot of Thai girls over the past 5 years or so dancing in go-go bars, freelancing in and out of the clubs, posting on the dating sites, working in restaurants and mall shops that apparently are quite alright having sex with "psychos" in this regard. Good lord, what must the girls think of the men who stand before a line up and ask for a show of hands if they are ready for a bit of ass licking/rimming and butt fucking? They must suspect those guys just killed a guard and escaped an Insane Asylum 90 minutes ahead of the arrival of the police.[/QUOTE]There were famous girls at Tulip who customers thought swallowed, but actually very stealthily got rid of the cum often without the customer knowing. LOL.

I also go by casual conservation with girls reluctantly working in porn star shops and reporting a high percentage of customers as somewhat psycho in their opinions. Does not mean they cannot accept the deal. Just I am aware a fairly high percentage of Thai girls are not considering cum swallowing to be normal nor providing it.

Some Tulip girls specifically told me that they don't do it, even though I never requested it. If you want a really strong GFE experience, sometimes the girl really needs to like your attitude and preferences (not only get money), so I try not to risk spoiling the girls opinion of me. I don't usually ask for things that I think might be a turn off for the girl, because I look for her to enjoy herself as far as possible, which somehow has a psychological effect on my enjoyment as well.

I collect regular girls that seem to be able to have a really good time on the bed. Each to their own way, of course.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2089885]Syzy, before an army of of ISG readers go marching out to ask their Thai girls these questions, I must point out that you changed the way I worded the quesitons in my earlier post and in a way that I suspect makes a significant difference. Particularly with Thai P4P girls, it might mean all the difference in the world.

I worded my questions "Will you?" but I think you provided translations for "Can you?" questions. At least, that is how you worded the English versions of them. I should have mentioned it earlier but I didn't catch it right away.

Of course, virtually every girl in the world "can" do the things I mentioned. Therefore, those are not very important questions in these situations. The key question, always, is "will" she do them for you. This is particularly pertinent to interactions with Thai P4P girls, who I have found tend to seize upon any opportunity to play word games in this regard in order to make the customer think she has agreed to something she has not; her saying "ok" in response to any question sexual or otherwise rather than a clear and unambiguous "yes" being the most common one in my experience.

Will you also provide the translations for "Will you?" do the things I mentioned rather than merely "Can you?" hehe

Thanks.[/QUOTE]It is normal when requesting things in Thai language to ask "can you do something?" it is a request. If they answer "dai" meaning yes they can, it is essentially meaning they agree to give it. Thai maybe does not have the same semantical differences as English. Also it is unwise to assume that a basic English translation has exactly the same meaning or feel as the Thai words have. "dai mai" is the normal way to request someone to do something. You can regard it as meaning "can you?", "do you agree to?", not so much "are you capable of doing?" although could have this meaning in another context. "wai mai" means "are you physically up to doing something?" (not too exhausted or too sick to do it). Sometimes "dai mai" means "do I have permission to do something?". "bpen mai" means "do you know how to do" something?

If you asked a Thai, "will you", it is not a request, but more asking them to predict the future. The common answer then might be "naa ja tham" meaning "I probably should do it". No one can guarantee what will happen in the future.

If a Thai says they "will do something" the true meaning is they might do it. If they say they might do it, the true meaning is they probably will not do it. If they say they is no way they could possibly do it, they still might do it. Thais are just that unreliable. They typically exaggerate. So nothing they promise can be taken as 100% certain.

Feel free to check out my Thai translations with some girls to see if I got correct. I am very confident girls would not misunderstand if I asked them this way. I have 25 years experience since I started learning Thai. My Thai GF does not speak English and we have been together for 12 Years.

Sunday more than a week ago I was horny, having just returned to Thailand, however not one of my regular LINE girls was available. Checked out a few bars including, Crazy H, Shark, Billboard, Twister. Twister had the most girls with pretty face that day, however the girl I called for a drink seemed too shy and I did not get the right vibe. Later she asked for 4 K ST and 1 K BF. Ha ha! No way added to the poor vibe.

Approx. A week later went in Shark only. Kissy Patty with big tits had just returned fortunately. There was another gogo girl with big tits that looked acceptable (not hard coconut shells), also I found number 29 to be quite attractive with natural be cups, very good curves no sag, and Issan but pretty face. She would have been fine failing Patty. Also Coyote 348 was stunning. Face 8 and body at least 9 (can't see the covered tits however they looked large natural maybe). Later saw that some guy had BFed her. So the line up had improved. Forget what the Coyote BF is. I published that before.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2090392]There were famous girls at Tulip who customers thought swallowed, but actually very stealthily got rid of the cum often without the customer knowing. LOL.

I also go by casual conservation with girls reluctantly working in porn star shops and reporting a high percentage of customers as somewhat psycho in their opinions. Does not mean they cannot accept the deal. Just I am aware a fairly high percentage of Thai girls are not considering cum swallowing to be normal nor providing it.

Some Tulip girls specifically told me that they don't do it, even though I never requested it.[B] If you want a really strong GFE experience, sometimes the girl really needs to like your attitude and preferences (not only get money), so I try not to risk spoiling the girls opinion of me. I don't usually ask for things that I think might be a turn off for the girl, because I look for her to enjoy herself as far as possible, which somehow has a psychological effect on my enjoyment as well.[/B]

I collect regular girls that seem to be able to have a really good time on the bed. Each to their own way, of course.[/QUOTE]The highlighting in bold is by me.

I don't think I have ever asked a girl, P4P or otherwise, about finishing a BJ with swallowing unless I had already felt the kind chemistry or keen interest to please from the girl of which you speak. That is practically a given for how and when to request special activities that would not generally be considered standard service. And I think most of us understand that. It isn't as though we're approaching a stranger in the shopping mall, tapping her on the shoulder and asking if she would swallow our cum. Of course we are talking about a situation where we have already established as fun and playfully sexy a connection as one can have under these circumstances and as I am sure you believe you establish with the ladies.

Which is one of the reasons the "psycho" reference doesn't really apply.

Believing Thai working girls are such prudes to label a customer simply asking for swallowing a psycho is naive. It is behavior that qualifies not sexual preferences. A customer trying to stick his tongue down her throat against her wishes or continuing banging her past the point where she is experiencing pain more particularly the nut job who enjoys this that's my definition of a psycho.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2090118]I agree the ladies are not overly impressed with farangs who pick up the lingo especially those that insist on communicating with them in Thai. I feel they prefer that invisible protective barrier of we not understanding what they are talking about when they are chatting amongst themselves. They will be far more impressed and interested in your generosity and your respect for them.[/QUOTE]I have never had that experience, in fact quite the contrary. When I talk Lao or Thai the girls find it cute and are very happy to communicate. Perhaps it depends on what you say and how you say it.

Back in town last night, I've set my goal at 20 for the 11 nights I'll be here.

Staying close to Nana Plaza (a 3 minute walk) I immediately head there, thinking, take your time. Go into a few places. Be picky. But I end up with the first girl I talk to in the first bar I go into.

That's what starving yourself of booty will do.

I stop in Lollipop. The first go go bar you come to and. I have to say, I'm pretty impressed with some of the lineup. I take it the theme is 'young' and most look that way. Though certainly 'legal'. In particular I see a very, very skinny girl, with large bolt-ONS, and a cute smile on a pretty face, accentuated by her braces.

I want that.

Let's get #1 out of the way.

$700 for BF? When did that start?

Let me make sure of a few things.

Real kissing? Yep. DATY? Enthusiastic yes! No condom blow job? She doesn't understand. I create my own hand signals and demonstrate somehow and she nods yes.

Let's go! The less of these over priced drinks I have to buy the better!

Now I'm sure every long time poster here is ready to crucify me, for a number of different reasons; 'the old days" blah blah blah "Paying too much" blah blah blah. It is what it is. I'll pay less the other 10 nights of my trip. Right now I want what I want, and THIS girl, gets enough business that she doesn't need to negotiate. She even tells me, no to LT. The only way this part of the market is going down in price is if business drys up badly. And compared to the month of May when I was here. It looks much more busy.

We decide to get a room across the way, even though my hotel is close by. I'm just ready to start. And she does not disappoint. For being young (she says 22, but looks 18, says she's only been doing this 'one month' Uh hunh.), she is quite skilled at what she does. If you like super skinny girls with big bolt-ONS, she is a 10. Soft tongue, sweet kisses, still with sensitive nipples on those big puppies, long silky black hair, and she loves to be given oral. Such a tiny little punami. Do all Thai girls have such small openings, or am I just somehow lucky enough to consistently pick them?

She is skilled at giving oral as well and soon I am ready to take her in a couple of positions. Her on top, then sitting, then missionary. Unfortunately when we get to doggie, the condom breaks inside of her. She's a bit freaked but I hadn't cum yet. Still. Need to go get checked. At least I stopped when I realized it had broken. These in-country condoms are too small. After washing up, she finishes me off orally, and lets me cum on her breasts. We talk a bit and I ask if she likes other girls and if she'the be up for three of us next time and she is very enthusiastic about that.

I walk her back (I can't remember her name, but I do plan to at least have a drink with her before I go, so I'll get it then) and go in to check out Bangkok Bunnies. Either all of the talent is checked out early or, I have to wonder what happened to this place? Lollipop had a much better selection.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2090631]
$700 for BF? When did that start?

Let me make sure of a few things.

Real kissing? Yep. DATY? Enthusiastic yes! No condom blow job? She doesn't understand. I create my own hand signals and demonstrate somehow and she nods yes.

Let's go! The less of these over priced drinks I have to buy the better!

Now I'm sure every long time poster here is ready to crucify me, for a number of different reasons; 'the old days" blah blah blah "Paying too much" blah blah blah.
[/QUOTE]If you tell us how much you paid then we are ready to crucify you, LOL!
(apart from the $700 BF but I suppose it was THB 700).

The AMP scene in Bangkok is so in your face all night and every night, compared to the more sedate less obvious AMP scene in Dubai.

Have to say I prefer the Dubai scene, and looking forward to going home tonight. Before Bangkok completely sends me round the bend.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2090631]

$700 for BF? When did that start?


Now I'm sure every long time poster here is ready to crucify me, for a number of different reasons; 'the old days" blah blah blah "Paying too much" blah blah blah. It is what it is. I'll pay less the other 10 nights of my trip. Right now I want what I want, and THIS girl, gets enough business that she doesn't need to negotiate. She even tells me, no to LT. The only way this part of the market is going down in price is if business drys up badly. And compared to the month of May when I was here. It looks much more busy.
[/QUOTE]700 (Baht) sounds good to me. Isn't it 1 K before midnight in most places? Or am I thinking of Pattaya prices? To be honest its been a while since I BFed someone in BKK. Most of my recent experiences in BKK has been with freelancers (Thermae, Levels, etc.).

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2090817]700 (Baht) sounds good to me. Isn't it 1 K before midnight in most places? Or am I thinking of Pattaya prices? [/QUOTE]Gogo bar barfines are higher in Pattaya than BKK.

Thinking, maybe I'm okay with one for the first night. A bit tired from traveling, I go and get my camera and do some filming around Nana Plaza. I walk thru the agressive ladyboys and stop in to look at some places I just never have got around to. Completely avoid Spanky's, in and out of Angelwitch. Just not into the whole leather, goth thing. Look around Sexy Night to see if the girl from back in May might still be there (she's not) and then into Billboard, which I didn't care for last time.

On the main stage, a girl, who looks like another girl I remember from Soi Cowboy in May. The complete opposite of the one I was with earlier, she is all natural, small breasted and I meet eyes with her a few times. She finally motions if I want to get a drink. I do. We sit and talk and eventually go back to my hotel (ok, yeah the $700 BF is annoying, I'm going all FL and negotiation for a few days), and she acts shy, but. What a cute little body. Barely 5 feet tall, she worries that she doesn't have a good enough body, because she's been away for three years having a son, but I think her body is fantastic. Small waist, just enough ass to matter, small natural breasts that show no signs of wear and tear (though her nipples are a little extended and soft, from breast feeding), and such a pretty face and a big, sweet smile.

All of the foreplay is great. She is especially loving and warm. Which is surprising by what I find out later. But. I can tell she isn't into being given oral. Which is a shame, because she also has an amazingly small, beautiful punami, that I'the love to work on for a little bit, but. No real reaction. Good thing SHE is good at giving oral.

But THEN. She doesn't have a condom. Damn. Neither do I. In my haste to get started I didn't pick any up. So, we finish without actual intercourse, but she spends a good deal of time cuddling and talking, and still even playing around a bit.

She tells me, about her baby's daddy (not together anymore) and her out of country 'boyfriend', who she outright admits she is lying to for the money. I mean, I know it's part of things, but this is my first time hearing someone directly tell me. She admits she hates sex. And does this solely for the money to provide for her young one. I know these things, from reading. And yet, this is my first time hearing it from one of them.

I tell her, I hope one day she finds someone that DOES turn her on. Who treats her well and that makes her happy. She kind of smile / laughs, but. Who knows. Maybe life is so day to day here it just DOESN'T matter. I walk her back and we take a picture together and I tell her I'll stop in and have a drink with her tomorrow.

I need some sleep. At least a nap.

[b]Bangkok. DAY ONE. Girl #2[/b]
[QUOTE=SexInStl;2090859]-snip-

We sit and talk and eventually go back to my hotel (ok, yeah the $700 BF is annoying, I'm going all FL and negotiation for a few days), and she acts shy, but.

-snip-[/QUOTE]LOL. I guess you're sticking with the $700 barfine report rather than amending it to 700 THB. $700 would be upwards of about 22,400 THB just for the barfine! So in that case I will be the first to crucify you for way, way, way over-paying. Especially since the barfine doesn't even include the amount you're going to pay the girl. And I am not a member of the Price Policel! LOL.

Ok, let's assume you really do mean to say 700 THB and not $700. That isn't a high barfine by today's standards. Not in many if not most Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy go-go bars. As was mentioned earlier, many go-go bars charge 1,000 THB or more before midnight for the barfine. In a few go-go bars there is a two-tier pricing for barfines and for certain girls it is more than 1,000 THB even after midnight.

I took a girl from Enter Bar on the third level of Nana Plaza a couple of nights ago and the barfine was 1,000 THB at around 9:45 PM. Enter Bar is a relatively new go-go bar that I believe is owned and managed by the same people as Billboard and Butterflies. Not positive about that but I have seen several girls rotate from one bar to another. For example, generally speaking, this particular go-go bar, Enter, has decidedly lesser girls in terms of attractiveness. But every now and then you can take a peek through their curtained doorway and spot a gem that would fit more naturally in, say, Billboard, but is working in Enter tonight. This girl was a very sweet angel faced cutie with long legs, slim body, a nice booty, perky firm breasts. After a couple of Lady Drinks, some determined lap dancing and cuddling, she answered my brief and direct interview questions positively. So with that I agreed to pay the 1,000 THB barfine, agreed to pay her asking price for ST of 3,000 THB (after she agreed to my personal requirements as well, that is) and off we went. No rush in my apartment, were together and enjoying from about 10:45 PM to 1:15 AM and I was so pleased with how things worked out I went back to the bar with her afterwards and bought us another set of drinks. Well worth it IMO.

That was a greater amount of money than I generally spend for P4P STs in Bangkok, but, as you alluded to, if it is something that you really want and it is right there for the taking, I'm happy to pay it. I am not going to walk away from the right girl with the right chemistry and, most importantly, the right answers to my interview questions for the sake of saving 500-1,000 THB on a given night. Plenty of other nights I can spend less, often much less, sometimes even nothing but the cost of dinner and taxi (with regular date girls around town for example). It all works out fine. And when this girl drops out of the scene, which seems to happen much sooner than it used to, I have no doubt a Line message from me will bring her directly to my apartment for 2,000 THB including taxi to and from for ST and that ST might easily extend into LT until the following afternoon.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2090926]girl was a very sweet angel faced cutie with long legs, slim body, a nice booty, perky firm breasts. After a couple of Lady Drinks, some determined lap dancing and cuddling, she answered my brief and direct interview questions positively. So with that I agreed to pay the 1,000 THB, agreed to pay her asking price for ST of 3,000 THB (after she agreed to my personal requirements as well, that is) and off we went. No rush in my apartment, were together and enjoying from about 10:45 PM to 1:15 AM and I was so pleased with how things worked out I went back to the bar with her afterwards and bought us another set of drinks. Well worth it IMO.

That was a greater amount of money than I generally spend for barfine and ST, but, as you alluded to, if it is something that you really want and it is right there for the taking, I'm happy to pay it. I am not going to walk away from the right girl with the right chemistry and, most importantly, the right answers to my interview questions for the sake of saving 500-1,000 THB on a given night. Plenty of other nights I can spend less, often much less, sometimes even nothing but the cost of dinner and taxi (with regular date girls around town for example). It all works out fine. And when this girl drops out of the scene, which seems to happen much sooner than it used to, I have no doubt a Line message from me will bring her directly to my apartment for 2,000 THB including taxi to and from for ST and that ST might easily extend into LT until the following afternoon.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a nice night to me. I will keep my eyes peeled for more such reports about Enter Bar and other honky tonks I have not been to. There are never enough good Go Go's in my opinion. I can always enjoy one more to add to my repertoire. 4 months and counting before take off. Reservations all made although nothing is set in stone except the plane ride. Can't wait! It's going to be a marathon lollapalooza.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2090926][b]Bangkok. DAY ONE. Girl #2[/b]
LOL. I guess you're sticking with the $700 barfine report....[/QUOTE]LOL, yes I need to correct that!

It seemed I was paying 500 Baht bar fine back in May though. Maybe it was a slower time?

Good to know it isn't abnormal.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2090929]Sounds like a nice night to me. I will keep my eyes peeled for more such reports about Enter Bar and other honky tonks I have not been to. There are never enough good Go Go's in my opinion. I can always enjoy one more to add to my repertoire. 4 months and counting before take off. Reservations all made although nothing is set in stone except the plane ride. Can't wait! It's going to be a marathon lollapalooza.[/QUOTE]I went into Enter bar Sunday night about 11 nights ago. The line up was quite small. Maybe only one miderately good looking girl to my taste.

As a newvie to the bar, the gurls were acting quite stupidly towards me like I was a newbie to Thailand. I don't need girls frantically lointing to those on the stage to rush me to choose someone.

Actually was bot very impressed with the bar. However several bars visited had weak line ups on that particular bar. One visit does not prove much.

You might find the number of girls a bit limited.

I tried searching for Thermae on the thread but came up with 20+ pages of hits. I get it's a FL spot underneath a hotel and the prices are all over the thread. I can't find what happens next?? Is the hotel its under used rented out for ST use? If so, how much?

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2090982] I can't find what happens next?? Is the hotel its under used rented out for ST use? If so, how much?[/QUOTE]Talk to the girl. She may ask for more than 2500 baht but 2500 baht is the going rate. If she won't budge move on to the next girl there are many. If you are not a preferred customer ie. a younger Asian guy, you may get a surcharge. Again, move on to the next girl. After 2 am the girls start to panic so you may get someone to go for 2000 baht. Don't expect the hot ones to do this though.

Take the girl back to your hotel if it's nearby or rent a room at the hotel upstairs. The hotel above Thermae is the Ruamchit Plaza Hotel, not to mixed up with Ruamchit Travelodge. You can rent ST rooms there but since I usually take 2 or 3 girls in a night I just rent the room for the night for about 1000-1700 baht, depending on the room size. I'm guessing ST rooms are about the same rate.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2090979]I went into Enter bar Sunday night about 11 nights ago. The line up was quite small. Maybe only one miderately good looking girl to my taste.

As a newvie to the bar, the gurls were acting quite stupidly towards me like I was a newbie to Thailand. I don't need girls frantically lointing to those on the stage to rush me to choose someone.

Actually was bot very impressed with the bar. However several bars visited had weak line ups on that particular bar. One visit does not prove much.

You might find the number of girls a bit limited.[/QUOTE]The only other girl I took from Enter about a month ago now dances topless in the soapy tub in Billboard. Saw her in Billboard a few days ago and she said she transferred over from Enter because it has the same owner. I don't remember reading that anywhere else so not sure if it is true. Most of the time I only peek into Enter while making the rounds and don't go inside because of their uninspiring line-up. Actually, the second girl I took from there a couple of nights ago wasn't inside the bar but was sitting outside eating and arm hooked me as I tried to pass by. As it turned out, this time I was glad she did.

I think Natty's characterization of it as one of the smaller "honky tonk" bars is about right. IMO, one should never underestimate the surprise pleasures guys can often find in such bars. One interesting observation is, despite the much smaller line-up in Enter, during the hour or so I spent in there the other night and the time before I counted more take-outs and returning girls in street clothes obviously having been taken out than during that same amount of time in either Billboard or Twister Bar. For whatever that is worth. Have to say the only two girls I have taken from there were fun, no nonsense, no unpleasant surprise providers of exactly what I asked of them and they agreed to in the bar. That counts for a lot as far as I am concerned. However, they were also two out of maybe only 4 girls I have ever seen in there that I'd want to take in terms of their attractiveness.

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2090982]I tried searching for Thermae on the thread but came up with 20+ pages of hits. I get it's a FL spot underneath a hotel and the prices are all over the thread. I can't find what happens next?? Is the hotel its under used rented out for ST use? If so, how much?[/QUOTE]A few months ago I walked into the Ruamchitt Hotel above Thermae and asked how much for a ST room and was told 500 baht. But I don't know if that is for 1 hour, 90 minutes or 2 hours.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2090993]Talk to the girl. She may ask for more than 2500 baht but 2500 baht is the going rate. If she won't budge move on to the next girl there are many. If you are not a preferred customer ie. a younger Asian guy, you may get a surcharge. Again, move on to the next girl. After 2 am the girls start to panic so you may get someone to go for 2000 baht. Don't expect the hot ones to do this though.[/QUOTE]These girls at Thermae are FL right? That's the same as a SW (street walker), (just making sure I have my terms right here). How is it a FL can charge 2500 B and a SW only charges 1000 B? I picked up a SW by Nana 2 years ago for 1 hour of her service and she only asked for 1000 B. Did the prices go up that much in 2 years? Or is a FL and a SW completely different?

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2091020]These girls at Thermae are FL right? That's the same as a SW (street walker), (just making sure I have my terms right here). How is it a FL can charge 2500 B and a SW only charges 1000 B? I picked up a SW by Nana 2 years ago for 1 hour of her service and she only asked for 1000 B. Did the prices go up that much in 2 years? Or is a FL and a SW completely different?[/QUOTE]A SW is a FL but a FL is not always a SW.
Streetwalkers are, well, walking the streets to find a customer. Although most of the time they are not actually walking but standing in one spot, like opposite Nana Plaza or at lower Sukhumvit.

The girls that are commonly referred to as freelancers are girls who try to find their customers in places like Thermae, Beergarden and the night clubs. Or on the internet through chat apps and dating sites.
These girls would be highly insulted if you call them streetwalkers. Because streetwalkers are at the bottom of the pecking order.

Anyone noticed a really cute deaf girl working by the parking lot? I wanted to try but ended up gogo bar hopping until closing.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2091046]Anyone noticed a really cute deaf girl working by the parking lot? I wanted to try but ended up gogo bar hopping until closing.[/QUOTE]Of course she has been noticed by many and mentioned before. I guess your real question should be "Is she a good fuck?" I have not fucked her though.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2091036]A SW is a FL but a FL is not always a SW.
Streetwalkers are, well, walking the streets to find a customer. Although most of the time they are not actually walking but standing in one spot, like opposite Nana Plaza or at lower Sukhumvit.

The girls that are commonly referred to as freelancers are girls who try to find their customers in places like Thermae, Beergarden and the night clubs. Or on the internet through chat apps and dating sites.
These girls would be highly insulted if you call them streetwalkers. Because streetwalkers are at the bottom of the pecking order.[/QUOTE]Getting a bit technical perhaps. Plenty of Thermae girls have been picked up by a customer outside the Thermae ("on the street") if you like. However plenty of freelancers do not want to be out on the street being seen trying to get customers. So there is a good distinction.

We could be extra technical and mention that some free lancers sit quietly on side of street waiting for a customer without aggressively walking or chasing anyone. LOL.

Free Lancers is a term having multiple meanings. However usually means that no establishment is paying them a monthly salary so that they are free to come and go or turn up for work only when they want to. They don't have to follow attendance rules. They are not like employees.

So even girls in bars subject to a barfine, can still be referred to as "freelancers" in some people's definition, if they get no monthly salary. They can still make drink commission monies. Soapies can have "sideline" girls that show up only when they feel like it. Even Annies has some girls free to only work very occasionally and they might be called "freelancers".

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2091005]A few months ago I walked into the Ruamchitt Hotel above Thermae and asked how much for a ST room and was told 500 baht. But I don't know if that is for 1 hour, 90 minutes or 2 hours.[/QUOTE]Ha ha! And you did not ask? That is a very laid back attitude. LOL For many guys 30 minutes is enough for a fuck and they need never ask. I think at Ruamchit, 500 is bit high so should be more than 1 hour but I never tried there.

I have found that many ST places are inflexible and only offer 1 hour. You want 2 hours you pay double, and there is no 90 minute option.

However I have found certain places that will charge only slightly extra and agree to 90 minutes (I have one such place near to Nana). 60 minutes is too short for me unless I have had no sex for 2 weeks LOL, or if the girl is a bomb out.

Asoke Place gives 60 minutes on busy days like Friday and Saturday (maybe Sunday) but on quiet days, the phone does not ring at the 1 hour mark. They don't kick you out too fast if no customer is waiting. Hence I don't usually go there for ST on Friday or Saturday, I normally choose a quiet night and so get 90+ minutes for the 350 Baht. This may be useful info to some.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2091075]Getting a bit technical perhaps. Plenty of Thermae girls have been picked up by a customer outside the Thermae ("on the street") if you like. However plenty of freelancers do not want to be out on the street being seen trying to get customers. So there is a good distinction.

We could be extra technical and mention that some free lancers sit quietly on side of street waiting for a customer without aggressively walking or chasing anyone. LOL.

Free Lancers is a term having multiple meanings. However usually means that no establishment is paying them a monthly salary so that they are free to come and go or turn up for work only when they want to. They don't have to follow attendance rules. They are not like employees.

So even girls in bars subject to a barfine, can still be referred to as "freelancers" in some people's definition, if they get no monthly salary. They can still make drink commission monies. Soapies can have "sideline" girls that show up only when they feel like it. Even Annies has some girls free to only work very occasionally and they might be called "freelancers".[/QUOTE]Conclusion: Freelancers are not for free!

But 2. 500 and more is also overpriced for most Thermae girls.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2091036]A SW is a FL but a FL is not always a SW.[/QUOTE]Right. Just as all Tequila is Mezcal, but not all Mezcal is Tequila and all Cognac is Brandy, but not all Brandy is Cognac.

So I have picked up many FLs in bars over the years, but Ive had far, far fewer liaisons with SWs. Likewise, I like Cognac, but rarely drink any other type of brandy. But lately, I have been drinking quality Mezcal and really liking it. No, not the stuff with the guzano in the bottle. 555. Quality Mezcal. It's got a great smoky flavor.

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2091020]These girls at Thermae are FL right? That's the same as a SW (street walker), (just making sure I have my terms right here). How is it a FL can charge 2500 B and a SW only charges 1000 B? I picked up a SW by Nana 2 years ago for 1 hour of her service and she only asked for 1000 B. Did the prices go up that much in 2 years? Or is a FL and a SW completely different?[/QUOTE]They are all freelancers whether they stand in Thermae, sit on a stool at Beer Garden Soi 7 or stand on the sidewalk. But I think your question is, if they are all freelancers, which they are, why would Thermae freelancers mostly ask for 2,500 baht while the freelancers on the sidewalk are mostly asking for 1,000 baht, right? I would say it is because the freelancers in Thermae are less desperate, consider themselves of a higher quality than the girls standing on the sidewalk, can afford to wait and Thermae's customer base tends to buy into that concept as well. Logic would also suggest the freelancers standing outside in the elements on the sidewalk are more "desperate" for business than Thermae freelancers in that they aren't interested in waiting in a room/bar for customers to come in, buy a drink, stand around and gaze at the merchandise and would rather take a more aggressive approach with many more potential customers on the street. So they are also going to negotiate down or settle for less in order to get those customers more quickly.

And there is always the element of branding in that it is generally expected that Thermae freelancers are younger and prettier. So some freelancers who don't see themselves that way won't bother to walk down those steps to compete. But it would be very interesting to see what would happen if a few sidewalk level freelancers invaded Thermae and began to ask for the same 1,000 baht they ask for outside. lol.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2091079]Ha ha! And you did not ask? That is a very laid back attitude. LOL For many guys 30 minutes is enough for a fuck and they need never ask. I think at Ruamchit, 500 is bit high so should be more than 1 hour but I never tried there.[/QUOTE]The reason I didn't ask is because I live fairly close to Thermae and would probably never use one of the hotel's ST rooms anyway. But I was curious what they were charging since I heard they had somewhat recently remodeled some or all of their rooms. I knew it would be for at least an hour and can only think of one time I ever needed to use a ST room longer than an hour. LOL. 500 baht seemed about right to me because it is so close and convenient to Thermae downstairs. I assume they know a Japanese guy not willing to risk being seen walking along Sukhumvit by his wife or co-workers would be willing to pay the extra 150 baht or whatever by keeping it in the same property. And would many of those Japanese guys really need much longer than an hour? hmmm

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2091233]Logic would also suggest the freelancers standing outside in the elements on the sidewalk are more "desperate" for business than Thermae freelancers in that they aren't interested in waiting in a room/bar for customers to come in, buy a drink, stand around and gaze at the merchandise and would rather take a more aggressive approach with many more potential customers on the street. So they are also going to negotiate down or settle for less in order to get those customers more quickly.

And there is always the element of branding in that it is generally expected that Thermae freelancers are younger and prettier. So some freelancers who don't see themselves that way won't bother to walk down those steps to compete. But it would be very interesting to see what would happen if a few sidewalk level freelancers invaded Thermae and began to ask for the same 1,000 baht they ask for outside. lol.[/QUOTE]This is Thailand. Logic has no relevance.

It is good the BM did not make his way down to Spasso, else this debate on FL pricing would have been much more fierce.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2091295]This is Thailand. Logic has no relevance.
[/QUOTE]True to a certain extent. But some things cannot defy logic and basic market forces forever in the face of rent being due and mobile phone data refills being needed today, not to mention the sick grandmas and the family water buffalo needing another transmission overhaul asap. What would you say is the reason a freelancer perfectly suitable for standing somewhere in the Thermae line-up (there are some), and, in my experience, often much more capable and agreeable to providing better service, won't come in from the rain or the heat and away from much more public view and start asking for 2,500 baht per ST instead of the 1,000 baht she usually gets by standing on the sidewalk?

Maybe the freelancer in question doesn't like to be shopped so much by Japanese customers. That happens. I have met freelancers who feel that way or they say they do. Could be she doesn't know about Thermae and their 2,500 baht or so standard I suppose. In the same way many P4P girls in the area, not just the freelancers, have no idea there are a half dozen venues within easy walking distance that offer attractive young Thai girls who will give you a full and complete no hassle BBBJ+CIM for as little as 800 baht, including the room and no additional tip required, starting as early as 9-10AM.

On the above point, whenever the situation allows I will make sure to walk my higher priced go-go dancer ladies past one or two of those BJ Bars on the way to my apartment, casually mentioning what those cute girls (there is almost always at least 1 or 2 cute ones sitting outside) do for men and how much (rather, how little) they charge for it. It is always a nifty and I think overall useful learning experience for the 700+ baht barfine plus 2000+ fee girl who had no idea what a man could be choosing over her on this or any other night for a fraction of what he is paying to be with her to be made better aware of her competition for both service and price in the immediate area. lol.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;2091161]Conclusion: Freelancers are not for free!

But 2. 500 and more is also overpriced for most Thermae girls.[/QUOTE]Some bar girls are priced higher and worth even less. The price of girls has little to do with their performance, it is somewhat more correlated with their looks.

I haven't had a Thermae girl in recent times, worthwhile to the extent of even considering repeating, yet Asian guys seem to like this place. Japan customers must be less fussy. Most SW, while cheaper, were also not worth repeating. In both cases I hate the shock when the girl gets undressed and her body is not as good as I was hoping. I have a higher repeat rate with bar girls even though costing me more money. I select ones with better bodies for my taste too.

I had one really great girl from a cart bar. She was sweet and young. Fabulous tits of perfection. Lacking experience just did not matter when got lucky with the body. Good GFE too. Sometimes you have just got to get lucky. Its much easier to check out naked girls on your lap than determine which Thermae girl will be good. I wonder how many times I need to try Thermae to find a good choice.

I think the odds are against me, with not so many stunners in there really preferring Farang customers. All my favourite girls, definitely prefer Farangs. My most regular girl has done Asian girls in her life, but claims to have never fucked a Thai man.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2091321]What would you say is the reason a freelancer perfectly suitable for standing somewhere in the Thermae line-up (there are some), and, in my experience, often much more capable and agreeable to providing better service, won't come in from the rain or the heat and away from much more public view and start asking for 2,500 baht per ST instead of the 1,000 baht she usually gets by standing on the sidewalk? [/QUOTE]You make a good point, but frankly I have never tried to double guess a Thai hooker's psyche. My head hurts at the very thought of it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2091321]I have met freelancers who feel that way or they say they do. [/QUOTE]Now, how many times do we have to remind ourselves that hookers always say the things we want to / like to hear. "Oh, you so big cock" Gimme a break.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2091321]On the above point, whenever the situation allows I will make sure to walk my higher priced go-go dancer ladies past one or two of those BJ Bars on the way to my apartment, casually mentioning what those cute girls (there is almost always at least 1 or 2 cute ones sitting outside) do for men and how much (rather, how little) they charge for it. It is always a nifty and I think overall useful learning experience for the 700+ baht barfine plus 2000+ fee girl who had no idea what a man could be choosing over her on this or any other night for a fraction of what he is paying to be with her to be made better aware of her competition for both service and price in the immediate area. lol.[/QUOTE]This is an interesting MO and it could work well or very easily go sideways. What will be your response if the girl you are with simply asks you "Yet you picked me and paid the higher price. Why?

Well I finally reached Bangkok, there was still an hour left for my room to be ready, the first place I thought to go was tulip, but the line up was not great at all, then walked towards snow white and again the line up wasnt great, so came back to my hotel, took a shower and rested for sometime.

Then I thought to go to bamboo, the lady at the reception showed only one girl and she looked good, I booked a 2 hour session in the "VIP" room, I was told only 1 shot, I said when I am taking a 2 hour session then I need 2 shots, so then she finally agreed. The girl told me to wait in the room, in pictures on their website the VIP room looks big but in reality it is quite small. She came in the room after 10 minutes we went in the shower, it was pretty mechanical, no BJ, no kissing.

Then I laid on the bed and she gave me a really good massage, it was actually very good and I enjoyed it, after 45 minutes when it came to some action she dint give a BBBJ, it was covered, I asked her politely but she refused, then she was on top of me and when I tried to kiss she just moved away, so a DFK was a far away, she dint even let me kiss on her lips, then she was fake moaning and in 15 minutes I came, I dint feel like going for the 2nd round, so I took a massage for 20 minutes and finished the session 40 minutes early.

Overall it was not worth 2600 bht, I heard good reviews about bamboo and as it was my first time here I expected something good, maybe its because I am fat and people from my place don't have a good name here.

She did seem like a sweet person, but it was too mechanical, no GFE or pse, so it was not worth for me.

This is my first ever report on here, sorry if I made some mistakes.

So as its my first day here, I thought to check out the places which I was reading about for months, I went to Soi 3 first at 8 pm to check out the Arab / CIS ladies outside Grace but sadly there none, I was expecting a lot of free lancers not only Arab but Thai also, but there were like only 4 or 5 Thai ones.

Then I walked towards Soi 4, in reality the lane is not the wide how it looks it the videos, again not a lot of freelancers outside Nana hotel, I just walked on and the bars did seem cool, some had pretty nice music, then as it was mentioned I could find some middle eastern / Iranian / CIS ladies outside Ronny's NY Pizza but only 3 or 4 Thai ladies out there.

I did the whole thing again at 9.30 pm thinking that maybe I could see some but sadly I could not, I expected it to be overcrowded as its Friday night, but it seemed dull.

Then well when I entered my hotel I saw 2 eastern European or Russian girls walking towards it, they looked very high profile, then instead of taking the lift they took a stairway which I dint even know existed, it basically led towards a night club which caters Arab clients, so I assume I can find some CIS ladies there but their prices would be rocket high.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste][Quote=EihTooms[ViewOriginalPost]
On the above point, whenever the situation allows I will make sure to walk my higher priced go-go dancer ladies past one or two of those BJ Bars on the way to my apartment, casually mentioning what those cute girls (there is almost always at least 1 or 2 cute ones sitting outside) do for men and how much (rather, how little) they charge for it. It is always a nifty and I think overall useful learning experience for the 700+ baht barfine plus 2000+ fee girl who had no idea what a man could be choosing over her on this or any other night for a fraction of what he is paying to be with her to be made better aware of her competition for both service and price in the immediate area. lol.[/QUOTE]

This is an interesting MO and it could work well or very easily go sideways. What will be your response if the girl you are with simply asks you "Yet you picked me and paid the higher price. Why?[/QUOTE]LOL. Well, it isn't meant to "work" in that way. I am not asking her to "price match" or anything like that. I don't do it in order to somehow re-negotiate an agreement we already made or change the usual terms between a go-go girl and her customer in store for us this night. It is often unavoidable to walk past a couple of those BJ Bars on the way to my apartment with another girl and I find that most girls are not familiar with the format, have no idea what the conditions are in those BJ Bars or how much the girls charge. Since they charge way less than what it costs to take a go-go girl, even for FS in one of their ST rooms, I like to inform them about why there might have been fewer customers in their go-go bar willing to spend that much and instead might very well choose this option instead.

Nothing like what you mentioned above has ever been asked of me. The most common response is the girl gasping at the idea that some cute young Thai girls in a venue right down the soi from her go-go bar, and some of whom look like they could easily fit in on a go-go bar stage line-up, are only charging 800 baht for a BBBJ+CIM. Or only 1,700 baht for the FS option, including the room and no tip above that required! LOL.

However, if I were asked the question you mentioned, I would probably reply with something like, "Yeah, I probably shouldn't do that. Pang pang (very expensive). But I really wanted to be with you tonight."

[QUOTE=Slash787;2091571]
I did the whole thing again at 9.30 pm thinking that maybe I could see some but sadly I could not, I expected it to be overcrowded as its Friday night, but it seemed dull.
[/QUOTE]Even 9:30 PM is probably a bit early. Freelancers outside Nana Hotel may arrive later than that. Try 11 PM+.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2091321]True to a certain extent. But some things cannot defy logic and basic market forces forever in the face of rent being due and mobile phone data refills being needed today, not to mention the sick grandmas and the family water buffalo needing another transmission overhaul asap. What would you say is the reason a freelancer perfectly suitable for standing somewhere in the Thermae line-up (there are some), and, in my experience, often much more capable and agreeable to providing better service, won't come in from the rain or the heat and away from much more public view and start asking for 2,500 baht per ST instead of the 1,000 baht she usually gets by standing on the sidewalk?
[/QUOTE]For once I sort of agree. There must be some reason for girls to take 1 K to 1. 5 K on sidewalk over 2. 5 K in Thermae. The reasons may vary. Simply if the girl is sure she can compete in Thermae and likes Japanese customers, for sure she will be prefer that. Too obvious. Thermae is probably a gossip full area. If a girl has some problems like horribly saggy tits or train tracks stomach, it will probably become known quickly by Thermae regulars. Girls with severe defects are likely to be on the street. Girls of perfection are less likely to be there.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2091723] The most common response is the girl gasping at the idea that some cute young Thai girls, some of whom look like they could easily fit in on a go-go bar stage line-up, are only charging 800 baht for a BBBJ+CIM. Or only 1,700 baht for the FS option, including the room and no tip above that required! LOL.
[/QUOTE]Well I really must make a few passes, to see if they really have such cuties available for cheap fuck. Just BBBJ isn't really my thing. I used to do Anne at Loiltas who was quite cute (fabulous ass) and even doctor BJ had a couple of reasonable lookers some years back.

However the thought on walking an expensive girl past there makes me cringe a little. The girls you and I see as cute may not be cute to everyone. These shops mostly are full of uglies, or fatter girls they maybe cute to someone else.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2091724]Even 9:30 PM is probably a bit early. Freelancers outside Nana Hotel may arrive later than that. Try 11 PM+.[/QUOTE]Thanks, any idea how is the Bollywood dance bar?

Sunday a couple of weeks back a lot of bars had really poor line ups including Crazy House. Last night was back to the expected standard and in fact all of my regular girls were present. All 3 of the girls I fuck had returned just that night or very recently. Co-incidence. Two girls had to end up being disappointed. There were a few other girls with quite immaculate bodies as well, and looking very sexy, that would find quite doable for looks at least, e. G. No. 15 with glasses was playing with a customer sitting next to me. I would easily take her if my regulars were absent. Did not notice any faults about her and her manner was appealing. Not too shy and not too excessively raunchy. Just right for me. Some nights the line up is no where near this standard.

The main point is one visit to a bar does not make us really know the standard. It has ups and downs.

Every bill including barfines gets signed by the customer in case of bill disputes. In fact my bill was wrong. First time in a while, however I knew how many drinks were on the bill, and as every drink was either 160 or 170 baht, it is easy to do a multiplication. Suppose one had 5 drinks and two were only 160. I just do 5 x160=800 add 3 x10 = 830. So get to the total very easily, no matter how many drinks it is a similar calculation. So the bill was corrected. The Waitress did not believe the cashier would make mistake until she used a calculator to add it. LOL. Naive. Use of calculators easily makes mistakes. I am an old guy trained to do math without calculator. LOL Waitress could not understand how I got the total so quickly without a calculator. LOL Arithmetic training in the modern day is poor I guess. They don't know that calculators are the slow and error prone way.

My girl claimed she had not been fucked for several weeks. It was possible as was her first night back and pussy was tight. For once, after fairly long DATY, and short BBBJ (her jaw was out of practice LOL) I was fucking her in doggy, and after 5 mins or so I really had to start using control not to explode. This never happens to me normally, where I know is quite normal for most guys. I never have urge to cum in a big hurry, normally. As it was, this was the shortest duration fuck I have had in a long time. The doggy was just that exquisite. Did not use the full hour for once. Condom was One Touch 003. I recommend it. The feeling was good. Not quite to BB standard of course, but was much easier to get on that Okamoto 003 (made for Japanese) that are just too small. I have tried the Polyurethane type condoms but I don't really like them. Probably the girl's very slim immaculate slim figure was working for me and her small ass was very well shaped and sexy. I will take her again on a quiet night for 90 mins to 2 hours next time. Who knows, if she feels this good, I might even manage two pops. I have known her for a long time, since Crazy Opened about 4+ years ago.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2091735]My girl claimed she had not been fucked for several weeks.[/QUOTE]I imagine there are a lot of gals in that same situation. At the prices they want and the service they deliver; of course that is an issue. Go for 1500ST and she'll get several STs a night. But they'll never do that. So most won't make any money. Amazing these gals. Personally I am glad to see them getting less biz. The entire GoGo scene is completely full of itself. With the exception of a very few bars, most are doing poorly. Punters are tired of the crap service, mediocre gals with bad attitudes, and high prices. They did it to themselves.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2091732]However the thought on walking an expensive girl past there makes me cringe a little. The girls you and I see as cute may not be cute to everyone. These shops mostly are full of uglies, or fatter girls they maybe cute to someone else.[/QUOTE]Personally, I have never seen a gal that I would rate worthy of being "expensive" in any GoGo bar. I think they all need a walk past the BJ bars. It's good for 'them. I mean come on guys; none of the gals in GoGo bars rank as class escorts. All Thai people can pick out a P4P gal at 100 yards. Expensive in my mind would be a gal you could take to a 5 star restaurant, would understand the menu, have eaten the food before, could appreciate it, and would be looked at by Asian and Western dudes alike. You're not finding that in a GoGo bar. And paying over 100 USD for a farmer's daughter makes just no sense to me. Never has. "What your name? Are you holiday?" Give me a break. Expensive? Huh?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2091735]Every bill including barfines gets signed by the customer in case of bill disputes. In fact my bill was wrong. First time in a while, however I knew how many drinks were on the bill, and as every drink was either 160 or 170 baht, it is easy to do a multiplication. Suppose one had 5 drinks and two were only 160. I just do 5 x160=800 add 3 x10 = 830. So get to the total very easily, no matter how many drinks it is a similar calculation. So the bill was corrected. The Waitress did not believe the cashier would make mistake until she used a calculator to add it. LOL. Naive. Use of calculators easily makes mistakes. I am an old guy trained to do math without calculator. LOL Waitress could not understand how I got the total so quickly without a calculator. LOL Arithmetic training in the modern day is poor I guess. They don't know that calculators are the slow and error prone way.[/QUOTE]I always suspected you to be an accountant. I might be right! LOL.

[QUOTE=Hiete;2091743]I always suspected you to be an accountant. I might be right! LOL.[/QUOTE]No no. That was very basic arithmetic. I won a major prize in a maths competition once. Scientific investigations and diagnosis of problems is a part of my work. Clearly I have no writing skills. LOL Too lazy to write proper English.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2091741]I mean come on guys; none of the gals in GoGo bars rank as class escorts. All Thai people can pick out a P4P gal at 100 yards. [/QUOTE]I think you are grossly generalising here.

There is little doubt that the right gogo bars have SOME girls that are far better looking than what the BJ bars have. One Coyote in Shark the other day (No. 348) I would give a 9 for body (what I could see) and 8+ for face. Looking at pics in the Escort sites, It would not be easy to find an Escort to match her looks (based on my taste of course). Yes the price is too high. I agree with that part. She may well cost more than an Escort in the end, I don't know. Most likely she is no porn star. I used to like a Coyote in Mercury whose looks were far above the normal Escort standard. She wasn't available for sex supposedly, yet too many customers trying to get her time. Just dancing and selling drinks.

Sure I will go use BJ bars for FS if I can find a girl good enough, and save money. I have had regulars there in the past. How many of them had a perfect body? Hardly any. Anne at Lolytas (gone now) had a body good enough to turn me on. Great ass! No others with body that good, I have met in a BJ bar. If great girls with nice bodies exist in the BJ bars, who are they?

We can all spot hookers from a distance. No problem. However not all of them are so obvious. I remember taking a girl from Thermae years ago that worked as a Hotel cleaner and was only suddenly in Thermae as desperate for money after her husband was killed in an accident. Would she immediately look like a hooker? Not really. There is no sudden transformation in appearance in all cases.

If I thought Escorts were so good, for sure I would be using them. All the surgeries causing unnatural to weird alien looks, is a significant turn off for me. I will try an Escort sometime soon and report. Need to check into a Hotel first. The lucky dip element of choosing an Escort does not really appeal to me being a picky type.

What is the charge for your so called "Classy" Escorts? I assume that may be quite high. Obviously if a girl is hot enough, classy enough good enough, she can move into a very high priced bracket and still get customers. I guess most BJ bar girls are not good enough to move into higher priced bracket P4P positions and still get enough work.

Plenty of bar girls of course are not good enough (yes all over priced) and they struggle to get a customer for one reason or another. Even one of my CH girls does not have an abundance of customers, due to competition in the bar, not being every man's spec (white skin but small tits), and really a bit too shy to be suited to the venue, and a slightly combative kooky personality that I have got used to dealing with (a few tequilas works wonders with her to become a real goer on the bed). Certainly not like a Classy Escort. Too crazy. LOL I don't pick girls for purpose of classy conversation. I pick them to be a beautiful exciting horny fuck.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2091732]Well I really must make a few passes, to see if they really have such cuties available for cheap fuck. Just BBBJ isn't really my thing. I used to do Anne at Loiltas who was quite cute (fabulous ass) and even doctor BJ had a couple of reasonable lookers some years back.

However the thought on walking an expensive girl past there makes me cringe a little. The girls you and I see as cute may not be cute to everyone. These shops mostly are full of uglies, or fatter girls they maybe cute to someone else.[/QUOTE]The best lookers I have seen will be working the day shift at Kasalong Bar. Unless they are busy inside with customers, the better looking ones generally congregate together at the table right next to the passage between Kasalong Bar and L0lita's Bar.

When I happen to walk by those bars (at night since that is when the go-go bars are open and I would be taking a girl past those bars), I don't stop and chat it up with anyone, don't make a big show of pointing out anything or anyone. I just discretely and quitely ask the girl I am with if she know about that bar up ahead. Just as one might a restaurant. She always says no or just assumes it is a massage shop of some kind. And that is when I let her know why the girls are wearing uniforms, that it is not a go-go bar, no dancing inside and what the specialty of the house is. The girl will often ask how much. If she doesn't ask, I will challenge her to guess how much such a service might cost in that place. And then it just goes on casually from there. The girls outside those bars never have reason to know I am chatting about that with the girl they see me walking by with.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2091741]Personally, I have never seen a gal that I would rate worthy of being "expensive" in any GoGo bar. I think they all need a walk past the BJ bars. It's good for 'them.[/QUOTE]Some of these go-go girls work in a bubble where they seem to genuinely believe that the amount their bar and they are charging is pretty much the going rate everywhere in the area, that we the customers have very little choice in the matter, that there is no real competition out there and that it is silly for any of us to think we could ever get a Thai girl to do this or that for significantly less than their opening quote. Therefore, I try never to miss a golden opportunity to point out how wrong they are, but in a casual, light-hearted, simply small talk conversational way. For instance, if they seem the least bit curious about those Nana Hotel parking lot girls, I tell my girl how much they generally ask for and/or get for ST; 1,000 baht. "So many girls out tonight. Do you know any of those girls?" And on from there. Same with the BJ Bar deal. But I won't mention both in the same night with the same girl. No need to bombard her with this kind of reality check. A couple of times lately, I have asked them if they have ever heard of Smooci and lay out the price structure there as well, which competes very well with go-go bar prices at coming in less minus the Lady Drink costs. Why not? It doesn't hurt to burst their bubble whenever possible.

It won't and shouldn't necessarily change anything about the agreement that has already been made that night between me and the go-go girl I happen to be with. But if we exchange Line contact info afterwards and the inevitable Line message comes in from her in the next 2-3 days with her asking for me to come take her or meet her again, I know she has been made well aware that keen competition for price and service levels is quite a bit more known and available to me than she might have thought when she first met me. So it is much, much easier to make our second or subsequent sessions together far less costly than the first one, sometimes by almost a couple of thousand baht overall. She will simply be less bold and certain about how much her time and efforts ought to cost me.

Next time a go-go dancer quickly drops her opening quote by a significant amount or ups the level of service she had been holding to in response to little more than a brief hesitation and a disapproving look from the customer, that customer might consider the possibility that EihTooms has once upon a recent time taken her on one of his little reality check P4P cost and service level tours in the area. LOL.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2091046]Anyone noticed a really cute deaf girl working by the parking lot? I wanted to try but ended up gogo bar hopping until closing.[/QUOTE]If she's a deafmute girl then it's possible that she's the same girl I found on WeChat a few months ago. Young and pretty little spinner.
However she was a bit of a starfish in bed. Didn't want to give a BJ. Not dick scared though so if you don't mind an optic fuck she's ok. But no more than that so don't pay too much.

Is she's only deaf (not mute) and has tattoos all over her body then she could be another girl I found on WeChat. Her name is Jub and she's a good fuck. Nice girl and great body with very nice B-cups.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2091740]I imagine there are a lot of gals in that same situation. At the prices they want and the service they deliver; of course that is an issue. Go for 1500ST and she'll get several STs a night. But they'll never do that. So most won't make any money. Amazing these gals. Personally I am glad to see them getting less biz. The entire GoGo scene is completely full of itself. With the exception of a very few bars, most are doing poorly. Punters are tired of the crap service, mediocre gals with bad attitudes, and high prices. They did it to themselves.[/QUOTE]Would you go so far as to say the Gogo bubble will soon burst? I agree that some have taken it too far, outrageous prices for drinks, barfines and ST / LT.

But I think not. Asian customers with deep pockets and low expectations will continue to fuel the surge even further. I am predicting THB 10 K LT by the turn of this decade.

Hello everyone!

I've been reading this forum for the last few years and it has helped me a lot on my previous visits to BKK and other parts of the world. I would like to thank everyone for all the advice and guidance they bestow on the rest of us mere silent readers.

I will be making another trip to BKK this coming week after a few years. I can't say I've been to a lot of places, I generally try and stay around my comfort zone of Cowboy and some of the nightclubs; a creature of habit a suppose. I do hope to explore some new places as I feel it's probably time for a change. Regardless of where I actually end up going I'll be sure to share my experiences on here.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2091735]Sunday a couple of weeks back a lot of bars had really poor line ups including Crazy House. Last night was back to the expected standard and in fact all of my regular girls were present. All 3 of the girls I fuck had returned just that night or very recently. Co-incidence. Two girls had to end up being disappointed. There were a few other girls with quite immaculate bodies as well, and looking very sexy, that would find quite doable for looks at least, e. G. No. 15 with glasses was playing with a customer sitting next to me. I would easily take her if my regulars were absent. Did not notice any faults about her and her manner was appealing. Not too shy and not too excessively raunchy. Just right for me. Some nights the line up is no where near this standard.

The main point is one visit to a bar does not make us really know the standard. It has ups and downs.[/QUOTE]Agreed, the quality does go up and down depending on the night and time of night as well. You need to go to the same place a couple of times before forming a long term opinion, provided the first visit doesn't put you off that badly LOL!

[QUOTE=Slash787;2091565]Well I finally reached Bangkok, *snip* This is my first ever report on here, sorry if I made some mistakes.[/QUOTE]You asked, we gave some info, and you reported back. That's a good exchange of information and --while sorry about Bamboo -- thanks for sharing the info. TTG.

[QUOTE=Slash787;2091571]So as its my first day here, I thought to check out the places which I was reading about for months, I went to Soi 3 first at 8 pm to check out the Arab / CIS ladies outside Grace but sadly there none, I was expecting a lot of free lancers not only Arab but Thai also, but there were like only 4 or 5 Thai ones.

Then I walked towards Soi 4, in reality the lane is not the wide how it looks it the videos, again not a lot of freelancers outside Nana hotel, I just walked on and the bars did seem cool, some had pretty nice music, then as it was mentioned I could find some middle eastern / Iranian / CIS ladies outside Ronny's NY Pizza but only 3 or 4 Thai ladies out there.

I did the whole thing again at 9.30 pm thinking that maybe I could see some but sadly I could not, I expected it to be overcrowded as its Friday night, but it seemed dull.

Then well when I entered my hotel I saw 2 eastern European or Russian girls walking towards it, they looked very high profile, then instead of taking the lift they took a stairway which I dint even know existed, it basically led towards a night club which caters Arab clients, so I assume I can find some CIS ladies there but their prices would be rocket high.[/QUOTE]There's some Jihad [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] in black burquas standing around the Grace. Looking at them is a laff. Some fat Thais, too. Those mid east characters like fat ass cunts. That was a good place once, with a great freelance coffee shop, filled with hot Thai chicks, now it sucks.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2091851]If she's a deafmute girl then it's possible that she's the same girl I found on WeChat a few months ago. Young and pretty little spinner.
However she was a bit of a starfish in bed. Didn't want to give a BJ. Not dick scared though so if you don't mind an optic fuck she's ok. But no more than that so don't pay too much.

Is she's only deaf (not mute) and has tattoos all over her body then she could be another girl I found on WeChat. Her name is Jub and she's a good fuck. Nice girl and great body with very nice B-cups.[/QUOTE]It is clear there maybe more than one deaf girl in P4 P so no guarantees it has relevance to the deaf girl typically working outside Nana Hotel.

[QUOTE=Slash787;2091565]Overall it was not worth 2600 bht, I heard good reviews about bamboo and as it was my first time here I expected something good, maybe its because I am fat and people from my place don't have a good name here.
[/QUOTE]Can I suggest that Reviews about a place don't mean much. It is more about particular girls in my opinion. Thai girls can be racist and you may not be the preferred type. You may have to make a special effort to seem better than your peers. Just like I am not the preferred type for girls in the Thermae, and usually got weak service one way or another. So I look elsewhere generally, unless happen to find a girl with a really good attitude to me, or that prefers my type.

Maybe look for girls highly recommended by your peers.

Girls may do BBBJ only sometimes depending on their perception of how clean you and your dick is. As I have no foreskin, there is no skin to trap the smelly stuff, and so girl may think that is cleaner, I don't know, however I almost never get a CBJ. Almost can't remember one in Thailand.

I tend to not make special long bookings with girls till I have already tried them at least once to be sure we go well together. Also I never waste time taking a massage, unless its a sexy body slide. LOL

I started my evening a bit too early, around 6:15 at Soi Cowboy. I was denied entry into Crazy Horse, so sat on the patio of Lighthouse. It seemed quiet and I started getting bored. To kill time, I walked to Nana Plaza and went straight to Bangkok Bunnies. I loved the welcoming atmosphere at the club and decided to linger around until 9 pm. At this point, a very cute girl who's name she said was 'Ba' stopped by and asked for a lady drink. I bought her one with the intention of barfining her later. We were able to hold a conversation without getting bored and discussed her fee to go back to my hotel. She quoted 2500 B for an hour or 2 and 4000 B for overnight. I thought it was reasonable and told her I will come back after checking out the action inside the club.

Once I went inside to see the performers on stage, I forgot about the patio girl Ba. After scoping out the talent, I chose No. 22 and bought her a LD. She was very friendly and easy to talk to, so I ended up barfining her. Enjoyed my time with her as she was very un-business like and friendly. Her name is Mai, she's 31, petite and I thought she was very attractive. She's a single mom but has no baby damage. I plan to see her again.

Saw a lot more pretty girls while leaving the plaza.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2091752]I think you are grossly generalising here.

If I thought Escorts were so good, for sure I would be using them. All the surgeries causing unnatural to weird alien looks, is a significant turn off for me. I will try an Escort sometime soon and report. Need to check into a Hotel first. The lucky dip element of choosing an Escort does not really appeal to me being a picky type.

What is the charge for your so called "Classy" Escorts? I assume that may be quite high. Obviously if a girl is hot enough, classy enough good enough, she can move into a very high priced bracket and still get customers. I guess most BJ bar girls are not good enough to move into higher priced bracket P4P positions and still get enough work.

Plenty of bar girls of course are not good enough (yes all over priced) and they struggle to get a customer for one reason or another. Even one of my CH girls does not have an abundance of customers, due to competition in the bar, not being every man's spec (white skin but small tits), and really a bit too shy to be suited to the venue, and a slightly combative kooky personality that I have got used to dealing with (a few tequilas works wonders with her to become a real goer on the bed). Certainly not like a Classy Escort. Too crazy. LOL I don't pick girls for purpose of classy conversation. I pick them to be a beautiful exciting horny fuck.[/QUOTE]Most of the "escorts" in Thailand are simply bar girls that dress a little better.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2091997]Most of the "escorts" in Thailand are simply bar girls that dress a little better.[/QUOTE]I remember a two part article on the Stickman Weekly site a couple of years ago where he interviewed 4-5 escorts working for a popular Bangkok escort agency. He included photos he'd taken of them lounging around in a hotel room. Clear, non Photo-Shopped photos. I am not certain most of those ladies could have scored a customer by standing in front of the Nana Hotel parking lot if they hung around there for 7 hours and were only asking 1000 baht for LT.

Small sample, I realize. But I also had to think the agency must have tried to provide some of their strongest contenders considering it was a big free ad for them over a couple of weeks.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2092037]I remember a two part article on the Stickman Weekly site a couple of years ago where he interviewed 4-5 escorts working for a popular Bangkok escort agency. He included photos he'd taken of them lounging around in a hotel room. Clear, non Photo-Shopped photos. I am not certain most of those ladies could have scored a customer by standing in front of the Nana Hotel parking lot if they hung around there for 7 hours and were only asking 1000 baht for LT.
[/QUOTE]+1 A little exaggeration but point well made.

Tonight was due to spend the night in my regular Gik's apartment. At 10:30 I get a message about an unfortunate event so she had to cancel. I won't go into the cause since I don't even know the fine detail. So suddenly here I am wanting a fuck badly and it's getting late. I thought to check out if Kissy Patty was available. She did not answer the message so that means, probably yes.

Show up to Shark and sit down with a soda. Some gogo girl is making faces at me. WTF, I don't know her and not specially my type even though the tits look pretty good. Face just isn't for me. Soon Patty gets up to dance and spots me. She was sitting with some other customer before, but apparently he was not BFing, so Patty is happy to come to me. Patty says her friend Kratae (ex Suzi W) has just started work here and has not managed to sell any drinks. Can I buy her one? Begrudgingly I say yes, but just one. So was Kratae gesturing to me from the Stage. Apparently she knows from my Suzi Wong days in old times, but I don't know her. Just another miscellaneous girl who worked there. Starts telling me that I knew about 5 girls in Suzi W and starts naming them. I have to say no no, I knew 10 to 15 girls in Suzi, over time. Paula, Jaa, Bo, Dtom, Knot, Patty, Yao, Anne, Nuu Dee, Nun (Nuu Dee's friend. Never fucked as tank like body), Priao, Noi, Naam, and finally Maa, that come to mind. Never Kratae though. Suddenly it is mentioned by Patty that there is a Maa here. Is it the same one? Really nice tits, dances just as sexy but hair is now black where used to be light brown before. I had perved at Maa some other day in Shark (very sexy) and she had looked at me like she might know me. Now we knew why. I had fucked her several years ago and she stuck in my mind because she was really great on the bed (one of the very best GFE energetic fucks). Some readers may have heard of Maa (ex Suzi Wong). "Maa" means to "come" but does not mean to "cum". Very different! LOL. So I bought a drink for Maa also. Already BFed Patty so Maa would have to wait for another night. Kratae pulled down her top to get me to touch her nice tits, but I was not sold. Her face was not my type and besides she acted far too pushy.

Maa is hot for me, slim but curvy and good tits (C cup slight sag), and I have such fond memories of the way she moved on the bed, she can be another regular girl for me, and may push a couple of others down the pecking order. Now I have two excellent girls in Shark. The Coyote 348 is also great looking, and a potential try someday.

Where are they now, the old Suzi W girls? So Patty, Kratae, Maa, and Priao are in Shark, maybe some others, Bo and Knot have left to have family (husband or BF), Yao still in Suzi, Dtom is in a Nana Plaza bar, don't know which one. Nuu Dee has BF and has retired too. Still lives nearby. Nun got pregnant to some Farang supposedly (or to her Thai boy). Mamsan Dtaay is now in Crazy Cats.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2089552]So I will get back shortly with some pretty clear Thai both Thai script and Romanised but here is first rough attempt off the cuff.

The first ones are relatively easy:

"Set khang nai bpaak dai mai?" Can I cum in your mouth.

"laew hai khun geun duay dai mai?" and then can you swallow it as well. This is really most impolite question, since it is not your business what she does with the cum after taking it in the mouth. It will mark you as somewhat of a "psycho" IMHO. So I would never ask this question.

"ao bpaep mai sai bplork dai mai?" Can I do it without a condom?

"laew set khang nai jim dai mai?" Can I finish inside your pussy?

"tham meuan waa bpen faen duay gan dai mai?" Can we do it just like we were a BF and GF couple?

[/QUOTE]
I promised to do this more properly. Tones are marked after word in brackets e.g. Set(L) , here L means low tone.
The tones are: (M)=Mid or flat tone (actually a higher tone than natural for Farang - maybe like Indian speaking tone)
(L) = Low tone (typical for Farang speaking) ;
(F) = Falling Tone (sounds like a strong emphasis put on the syllable)
(H) = High Tone (starts high and rises a little further) ;
(R) = Rising tone (starts low then rises up - sounds like someone is surprised)

Not sure if the Thai script is any use to anyone, but included for chat messaging purposes. You will notice Thai has no gaps between words. I have to chat in Thai script almost every day. My GF does not use English at all (maybe after a few drinks or when singing western songs only).

Can I cum in your mouth?
"Set(L) khang(F) nai(M) bpaak(L) khun(M) dai(F) mai(H)?"
เสร็จข้างในปากคุณได้ไหม
Literal translate: "Can I finish inside your mouth?"
Answer: ได้ Dai(F) means "O.K." Answer: ไม่ได้ Mai(F) dai(F) means "(You) cannot"

And then can you swallow it as well.
"laew(H) hai(F) khun(M) geun(M) duay(F) dai(F) mai(H)?"
แล้วให้คุณกลืนด้วยได้ไหม
Literal Translate: "And then I want you to swallow as well, is that possible?"

Can I do it without a condom?
"ao(M) baep(L) mai(F) sai(L) bplork(L) dai(F) mai(H)?"
เอาแบบไม่ใส่ปลอกได้ไหม
Literal translate: "Can I take you without wearing a sheath?"

Can I finish inside your pussy?
"set(L) khang(F) nai(M) jim(R) dai(F) mai(H)?"
เสร็จข้างในจิ๋มได้ไหม

Can we do it just like we were a BF and GF couple?
"tham(M) meuan(R) waa(F) bpen(M) faen(M) duay(F) gan(M) dai(F) mai(H)?"
ทำเหมือนว่าเป็นแฟนด้วยกันได้ไหม
Literal Translation: "Can we do it just like we were a couple (GF and BF)?"

[QUOTE=JesseJames;2091907]There's some Jihad bitches in black burquas standing around the Grace. Looking at them is a laff. Some fat Thais, too. Those mid east characters like fat ass cunts. That was a good place once, with a great freelance coffee shop, filled with hot Thai chicks, now it sucks.[/QUOTE]I don't see how mongering would require calling women "fat ass cunts" or "jihad bitches". Grow up.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2092169]I don't see how mongering would require calling women "fat ass cunts" or "jihad bitches". Grow up.[/QUOTE]He probably thought it was funny. You don't want to be too sensitive on here about these things. Guys on here can be as smart ass as they like. Foul language is allowed. Strangely the Singular form of "Cunts" is censored on this forum. Like this: ****

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2092159]I promised to do this more properly. Tones are marked after word in brackets e.g. Set(L) , here L means low tone.
The tones are: (M)=Mid or flat tone (actually a higher tone than natural for Farang - maybe like Indian speaking tone)
(L) = Low tone (typical for Farang speaking) ;
(F) = Falling Tone (sounds like a strong emphasis put on the syllable)
(H) = High Tone (starts high and rises a little further) ;
(R) = Rising tone (starts low then rises up - sounds like someone is surprised)

Not sure if the Thai script is any use to anyone, but included for chat messaging purposes. You will notice Thai has no gaps between words. I have to chat in Thai script almost every day. My GF does not use English at all (maybe after a few drinks or when singing western songs only).

Can I cum in your mouth?
"Set(L) khang(F) nai(M) bpaak(L) khun(M) dai(F) mai(H)?"
เสร็จข้างในปากคุณได้ไหม
Literal translate: "Can I finish inside your mouth?"
Answer: ได้ Dai(F) means "O.K." Answer: ไม่ได้ Mai(F) dai(F) means "(You) cannot"

And then can you swallow it as well.
"laew(H) hai(F) khun(M) geun(M) duay(F) dai(F) mai(H)?"
แล้วให้คุณกลืนด้วยได้ไหม
Literal Translate: "And then I want you to swallow as well, is that possible?"

Can I do it without a condom?
"ao(M) baep(L) mai(F) sai(L) bplork(L) dai(F) mai(H)?"
เอาแบบไม่ใส่ปลอกได้ไหม
Literal translate: "Can I take you without wearing a sheath?"

Can I finish inside your pussy?
"set(L) khang(F) nai(M) jim(R) dai(F) mai(H)?"
เสร็จข้างในจิ๋มได้ไหม

Can we do it just like we were a BF and GF couple?
"tham(M) meuan(R) waa(F) bpen(M) faen(M) duay(F) gan(M) dai(F) mai(H)?"
ทำเหมือนว่าเป็นแฟนด้วยกันได้ไหม
Literal Translation: "Can we do it just like we were a couple (GF and BF)?"[/QUOTE]

Just in case someone wants to use a Thai talking Dic App to hear the words, Here is the Thai script with words separated:

เสร็จ ข้าง ใน ปาก คุณ ได้ ไหม
ได้
ไม่ ได้

แล้ว ให้ คุณ กลืน ด้วย ได้ ไหม

เอา แบบ ไม่ ใส่ ปลอก ได้ ไหม

เสร็จ ข้าง ใน จิ๋ม ได้ ไหม

ทำ เหมือน ว่า เป็น แฟน ด้วย กัน ได้ ไหม

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2092195]Just in case someone wants to use a Thai talking Dic App to hear the words, Here is the Thai script with words separated:

เสร็จ ข้าง ใน ปาก คุณ ได้ ไหม
ได้
ไม่ ได้

แล้ว ให้ คุณ กลืน ด้วย ได้ ไหม

เอา แบบ ไม่ ใส่ ปลอก ได้ ไหม

เสร็จ ข้าง ใน จิ๋ม ได้ ไหม

ทำ เหมือน ว่า เป็น แฟน ด้วย กัน ได้ ไหม[/QUOTE]I just saw you can paste a Thai script phrase into Google translate and there is a speaker symbol to have it spoken for you which can be normal speed or slowed down. A good feature.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2091997]Most of the "escorts" in Thailand are simply bar girls that dress a little better.[/QUOTE]A better dressed bar girl with 1) some internet marketing savvy 2) will come to your hotel room = an "escort" = double the cost if you had met her at the Beer Garden.

SL.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;2091907]There's some Jihad bitches in black burquas standing around the Grace. Looking at them is a laff. Some fat Thais, too. Those mid east characters like fat ass cunts. That was a good place once, with a great freelance coffee shop, filled with hot Thai chicks, now it sucks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2092169]I don't see how mongering would require calling women "fat ass cunts" or "jihad bitches". Grow up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2092192]He probably thought it was funny. You don't want to be too sensitive on here about these things. Guys on here can be as smart ass as they like. Foul language is allowed. [/QUOTE]I strongly disagree Syzygies. I think 'Jihad bitches' is way out of line.
I have reported his post.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2092059]+1 A little exaggeration but point well made.[/QUOTE]Imo, the disparity between agency photos and the reality would quite naturally and almost unavoidably be so great that the result is the lady who shows up might only possess a vague family resemblence to the lady you booked based on her photos. And rarely if ever in a better way. It is just human nature to edit away any pics that don't present us in the most flattering, idealized way. Even when bookings and potential serious money isn't on the line. That is why getting as much accurate grading and reporting on listed services is so important. It might be the only aspect that salvages the session rather than canceling it.

Hey, thanks so much for the time and effort you put into translating those Thai "interview" questions, Syzygies. It is much appreciated!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2092212]I strongly disagree Syzygies. I think 'Jihad bitches' is way out of line.
I have reported his post.[/QUOTE]That is very fine, however I doubt if the moderators give a shit. They are far more concerned about the under-below age topic, and members trying to stop others from posting (any sort of crap they like). Will be interesting to see.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2092237]Imo, the disparity between agency photos and the reality would quite naturally and almost unavoidably be so great that the result is the lady who shows up might only possess a vague family resemblence to the lady you booked based on her photos. [/QUOTE]Yeah, the lady who shows up is probably her mother. Or even grandmother, LOL.

So well this time I started roaming around after 11 pm and Syzygies was right, you see a lot more than 8.30 or 9. 30 pm, so I started by going in front of Grace, only one was OK but dint bother going to her, I expected something better, those others in burqas really seemed old Thai ladies or even ladyboys rather than Arab / CIS.

Then as someone had mentioned earlier that a few iranians or middle eastern girls hang around PB hotel but sadly I did not see anyone.

Then I went to soi 4, there were not many outside Nana hotel, then walked towards that intersection of Annie and saw a few lady in burqas, they were worse than outside Grace, they were like trying to stop me, there was one blonde there who seemed like a mix of CIS / Thai, I felt nervous asking her cause she was standing next to those burqa ladies and they were like after me.

Then I went towards NY pizza again in hope of something but it was like dead.

Then went to the bollywood dance bar and that was dead too. Then I thought to check out grace but well it was the same line up, went towards PB hotel and no one was there.

Around 1.30 am I thought to check out the royal garden hotel known for its Russians, the guy took me to the floor, he asked for 3200 for one shot, I said I'm not paying more than 3000 and I have my own condom. So after 10 minutes of yes and no he finally agreed.

The girl was really beautiful, she had an amazing body, took a shower, then she took a shower, when she came out of the shower I gave her 500 bht as a tip and told her to take everything slowly and hurry cause I know the girls there can be rude and be aggressive and tell you to hurry up. So well she was friendly but no kissing on lips and no touching down.

So the whole session lasted about 45 minutes, I know 3500 bht is a lot but I dint know what else to do, I am not a experienced person and I last for only like 10 minutes. Today is my last night here, hopefully I find someone who can give me a GFE experience.

I hope my long post dint bore anyone and sorry if I went into weird details.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2092212]I strongly disagree Syzygies. I think 'Jihad bitches' is way out of line.
I have reported his post.[/QUOTE]+1 IMO punters come here for P4 P intel and not adolescence smack talk. FWIW he used a couple of specifically listed ISG banned words in his post. Plenty of other places on the internet for that fare.

ISG posting rules general / guidelines include:

No Trolling: Please do not post any topic that disrupts the peace and harmony of this board. Don't create meaningless threads with the sole purpose of starting a dispute.

No Offensive Posts, Links or Images: Please do not post any messages, images or links that are vulgar, hateful, threatening, racist, or discriminatory.

NO Banned Words: The words "*****", "*****" and "****" are not allowed because these words are commonly used to denigrate women, and that's not what this website is all about.

NO SPAM: Spam is defined as postings to the Forum that are contrary to the purpose of the site, including: Hate Messages, Racist Messages, Race Taunting, General BS.

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SL.

I was at Shark today and there was plenty of eye candy. I bought drinks for a few women as I wasn't really looking to bar fine anyone. I plan to see this one Coyote in a day or two, she was smoking hot. I think her number is 336.

One of the girls, number 376, said she is a virgin and has been working at Shark only for 4 days. I was taken aback as I didn't imagine it was possible. The hostess said the girl would go back to my hotel for 30,000 B for 2 hours. Yea, that's right.

Needless to say, I passed as I didn't want her to lose virginity in this manner. The hostess saw her talking to me and found out, I didn't want to inquire once she said she is a virgin.

I figured she either did not like me at all and made up an excuse or she is really one. I will go with the former LOL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2092312]+1 IMO punters come here for P4 P intel and not adolescence smack talk. FWIW he used a couple of specifically listed ISG banned words in his post. Plenty of other places on the internet for that fare.

ISG posting rules general / guidelines include:

No Trolling: Please do not post any topic that disrupts the peace and harmony of this board. Don't create meaningless threads with the sole purpose of starting a dispute.

No Offensive Posts, Links or Images: Please do not post any messages, images or links that are vulgar, hateful, threatening, racist, or discriminatory.

NO Banned Words: The words "*****", "*****" and "****" are not allowed because these words are commonly used to denigrate women, and that's not what this website is all about.

NO SPAM: Spam is defined as postings to the Forum that are contrary to the purpose of the site, including: Hate Messages, Racist Messages, Race Taunting, General BS.

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=ForumRules

SL.[/QUOTE]Very good. I used to get accused of trying to be the forum Police, and sometimes was frustrated with Moderators who seemed to have wrong emphasis (IMHO) at times.

So happy that others take a turn.

My biggest complaint has been some posters trying to include personal details about other posters that might make them identifiable. As it is, I need to reduce specific details in my field reports. I am aware of significant numbers of girls that read the forum regularly. I just hope it is very few of my girls. However I will try behave reasonably well in case get sprung by one of my girls.

I don't care so much about guys posting smartass or hateful stuff, even racist. It only makes them look a bit childish. Personally I like girls of almost every skin colour, from light to dark. I had a very nice pretty black girl recently (not in Thailand). I also don't care what religion a girl officially is, as long as she can be GFE and preferably horny as well.

I have partied with groups of muslims in the south of Thailand (a muslim dominated province) and they were a lot of fun. They party a lot as long as not in their own house, where they have strict rules. Actual was a province where there has never been any trouble of any sort in many years that I know of. Perhaps the most peaceful province in all of Thailand.

Guys that frequent certain MP shops should be aware if they write ugly stuff about girls in the shop, some girl there may read it and pass on the info. The guy concerned could get a very bad reputation. I am happy to write negative reports about girls if they were no fun, but I always try to say why and what went wrong. No need to be nasty though.

[QUOTE=Slash787;2092269]Around 1.30 am I thought to check out the royal garden hotel known for its Russians, the guy took me to the floor, he asked for 3200 for one shot, I said I'm not paying more than 3000 and I have my own condom. So after 10 minutes of yes and no he finally agreed.

The girl was really beautiful, she had an amazing body, took a shower, then she took a shower, when she came out of the shower I gave her 500 bht as a tip and told her to take everything slowly and hurry cause I know the girls there can be rude and be aggressive and tell you to hurry up. So well she was friendly but no kissing on lips and no touching down.

So the whole session lasted about 45 minutes, I know 3500 bht is a lot but I dint know what else to do, I am not a experienced person and I last for only like 10 minutes. Today is my last night here, hopefully I find someone who can give me a GFE experience.
[/QUOTE]Not sure why you are so keen on non-Thai girls given you are here in Thailand. Sounds like you would never be in the right place elsewhere to try Russians. Yes it is a lot to pay when get those restrictions. It is possible to get a lot cheaper girls without the restrictions.

I have been here off and on for very many years and still never took a Russian or CIS girl, nor any girls in Hijab etc. Just did not seem necessary. I certainly would if met a stunner though. I see higher standard European girls elsewhere. For me 95% to 99% of the black girls here are sub standard as well compared to OS. Once in a while meet a really super hot one, but very infrequently.

Went to Crazy House for a time. Bought one of my girls a total of 3 drinks. She had been a little miffed that previous visit had proved she was not my number one choice. Tonight asked If I would BF her, and I said maybe. Still undecided. I also met a new girl with cute face but very very short for me. By the time I had decided yes for my regular girl, she was dancing, so I was waiting for her to come back. She did not and went to another customer who BFed her fairly quickly. That was a little disappointing. I would have expected her to politely come back to me first and at least tell me she intended to go to another customer, seeing I had already invested at least 3 drinks, and give me opportunity to make the decision. Instead she came back to me after she was already BFed by the other guy. Seems pointless at that point. She was clearly also very drunk, so perhaps I was better off without her. I guess I don't need to buy her drinks anytime in the future. Probably struck off the list since was not my number 1 favourite anyway. I wasted money on her tonight but will save money in the future, by ignoring her, most likely.

I decided to check out Thermae. One Asian guy just coming out had a very pretty girl on his arm. I would have definitely been interested. Bought a tomato juice and started a circuit of the girls. Was midnight and about 60 to 100 girls I guess. I did not count them. During the fairly quick circuit I spotted two really beautiful girls and one maybe. So then for the 2nd circuit I headed straight for the first possibility. By this time she was already drinking tequilas with a Japanese guy (or Korean). So to No. 2. As soon as I started to approach, she gave an expression that was fairly clear, she was not keen. I quickly asked and she confirmed she was looking for Japanese and not Farangs. A great pity as she was really top looking for me. Light skin, slimmish, and natural nose. I could not tell about the tits at all. They were covered. Finally I surveyed the 3rd possible girl again. She had been approached by a Jap but it had not worked out for one reason or another. I decided her nose was a bit too weird for me, even though her tits looked very nice. Not so covered as some others. So I was fairly quickly done with no girl selected. I did not really want to fall back to a lot of also ran type girls. I am always wanting the best. Clearly they were also wanted by others promptly or not wanting me anyway. You just don't get extended time to select any girl if she is really top self looking. As for plenty of times before, I decided this place is not ideal for Farangs any more. You would have to get very lucky to get one of the best beauties, and there are not that many at any one time. I think generally if you are not East Asian type, the best looking girls in the Thermae are probably not going to be available or will not have the right attitude. Sure some girls will be available just not the ones I am wanting. Even when I have managed to take a girl from Thermae in recent months, either I did not get DFK or her body was disappointing underneath, or silicone job just not good, whatever, but always disappointing in the end. It's just the wrong place for me, I have to accept that. Finding bargirls that like Farangs has to work out heaps better and it does.

Decided to check out street walkers on Soi 4. It had rained very heavily earlier, so turnout of street walkers was really pathetic. One good looker outside Hooters, but she was too busy either talking on her phone or type chatting, to be able to get to talk to her. The rest was dregs and very few of them. The deaf girl was not there. One disaster girl I previously tried was there. Ugh! Miss Joom was there. She is always there but much too overweight for me to consider.

Looked in Twisters. My god was awful. Waitress said all the good girls were already BFed. You have to be in early. All that was left were the mini girls and mostly very plain too. I was surprised that Twisters actually had so many extremely ordinary girls. Looked in Mecury but it seems to be lady boy bar now. Went in Mandarin. It's line up was also terrible. Same thing, I guess you have to be early. Shark and Crazy House both had reasonable line ups but of course was in there a lot earlier.

While walking on Sukhumvit, sometimes would spot someone and think, wow this is actually looking like a real girl, but then would get close, see the face in more detail, and realise, although the figure was girl realistic, the face was clearly a ladyboy. Met plenty of black girls, but none sufficiently beautiful.

What we learn is we have to be in the right place and at the right time, to suit that we are Farangs or what ever we are. Different places suit different type of guys.

The night was not a total disaster. Got a very nice GFE from a girl at Shark. Quite early on. I was surprised though as she already had a customer when I arrived and another guy showed up also interested. She politely gave her first customer every chance to decide to BF her before moving to me. I politely waited for him to decline to BF before winning out. The 3rd guy had wanted to BF two girls so probably ended up with only 1. I had previously fucked her 5 years ago, and then she had disappeared until just over a month ago when the BF found a replacement. Still looks a lot younger than her actual age. Still very good on the bed.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2092492] For me 95% to 99% of the black girls here are sub standard as well compared to OS. [/QUOTE]The black girls walking around the radius of the Nana area are butt ugly for the most part. I have seen only 1 that was what I would consider hot enough to take to my room. And admittedly, she was quite hot and I did consider taking her to my room. But in my opinion, no guy in their right mind should be even considering 99% of those black girls. The quality level is garbage.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2092775]The black girls walking around the radius of the Nana area are butt ugly for the most part. I have seen only 1 that was what I would consider hot enough to take to my room. And admittedly, she was quite hot and I did consider taking her to my room. But in my opinion, no guy in their right mind should be even considering 99% of those black girls. The quality level is garbage.[/QUOTE]I have now taken 3 African girls from that area. All would fall into that top percentage of normal looking with no crazy extremes in terms of butt, boobs or hairstyle, overall very well-proportioned, hot and sexy bodies with even facial features well above average or better for the group.

First one was several months ago, can't even remember when exactly. It was the first time I'd seen this one walking around the area and I am in that area often. Would have remembered her since she was young and very sexy looking. She said she just arrived the night before. Per usual for the African girls here, she was very clingy and touchy on the street, overly "enamored" of me. Phony. Since a girl is of no real use to my own sexual satisfaction if she is excessively hairy around her pussy and does not agree to BBFS or BBBJ+CIM no matter how beautiful or sexy she is, I worked those features into our brief discussion if I was going to put her out of her big, phony "unrequited love" for me misery. LOL. But she would not budge below 3,000 for ST and that was only going to be the BBBJ+CIM part. I'd had black gfs in the USA, but she would be my first African girl in Thailand so curiosity and genuine horniness for her took over and off we went.

She was awful in bed. And way, way hairier than she let on outside. DATY was almost out of the question. Almost. But there is no way I would or could have cum from that truly lame BJ even if I had denied myself sexual release for a month ahead of time. Aborted mission and I never saw that girl in the area again after that one night.

Second one was about a month ago and was also a no go for BBFS at any price (well, I topped out at 3,000. Maybe she would have said yes for 100,000. I have no idea). However, she was fine with BBBJ+CIM for 2,000 but no lower. LOL. Ok, whatever. Her lips looked luscious and I needed to feel them.

She was just ok, no better than your average BJ Bar girl who might not have had a lot of experience anyway. I have seen her only a couple of times since and got the impression she might be up for BBFS with me now. But I have not been inspired to bother asking for clarification on that point and have never taken her again for BBBJ+CIM either.

Third one was just a few nights ago. This one was quite beautiful, really a stand-out among FL walking around Bkk, African or not. Can't imagine her not turning heads among any of the doubters here. And another plus was, although she exhibited all the same overly aggressive African FL behavior, there was no mention of money at all. Of course, she and I both knew there would be money paid but not a word about how much. I had first met her about a week earlier and she said she could do anything except a CIM finish for a BJ but was only offering BBBJ without CIM that night since she was on her period. I passed, but not before educating her on the fact that if the act finishes outside the mouth it is not really a BJ finish. At best, it is only a HJ with some oral foreplay thrown in. She laughed, but understood the technical truth of it. Anyway, a few days later, after she said her period would be finished, I contacted her on the Line account she had given me and she immediately met me in front of Hooters on Soi 4.

In the room she was a total waste of my time, my money and her beauty. Not sure I have been with a lady who was more timid, uptight, non sensual and non erotic after removing her clothes. There was no DFK, no gentle touching of my dick and balls, no way to get her to do more in terms of oral foreplay than almost non-existent contact on the very tip. She was beautifully shaved but seemed not to give a damn about my DATY, was no more responsive or ready for sexual intercourse after 10 minutes or so of my efforts than when she first dropped her drawers. Another aborted mission. I was less interested in sex with her than if I had just popped 3 times in the previous 90 minutes. After we got dressed I slipped 1,000 baht under the corner of her purse, she thanked me and apologized for not being good for me and that was the end of that.

I think my African girl in Thailand curiosity has been satisfied for quite some time now. LOL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2092775]The black girls walking around the radius of the Nana area are butt ugly for the most part. I have seen only 1 that was what I would consider hot enough to take to my room. And admittedly, she was quite hot and I did consider taking her to my room. But in my opinion, no guy in their right mind should be even considering 99% of those black girls. The quality level is garbage.[/QUOTE]Yes I have only seen one that was stunning, and I was in a place where I could not proposition her, unfortunately. I believe her name may have been Christina but not certain. Did not see her return to that place again, but she probably has at times I was not there.

I did take one Zanzibar type girl once and she was totally crap on the bed.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2092838]
I think my African girl in Thailand curiosity has been satisfied for quite some time now. LOL.[/QUOTE]I satisfied my curiosity with African girls in the USA and various parts of Africa many years ago. There was a period of time where I did over 100 of them. However, I doubt I will ever go with another again unless there are absolutely no other options. They are second to last on my list, just ahead of Aborigines midgets. There's no need to waste time on them when there are Thai girls abundantly available.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2092862]I satisfied my curiosity with African girls in the USA and various parts of Africa many years ago. There was a period of time where I did over 100 of them. However, I doubt I will ever go with another again unless there are absolutely no other options.[/QUOTE]If you're into female sweat macerated between rolling ass cheeks Africa remains number 1. Also because African women typically only shower once a day in the morning (instead of 15 times a day with detergents as in most part of the world these days).

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2092838]I have now taken 3 African girls from that area. All would fall into that top percentage of normal looking with no crazy extremes in terms of butt, boobs or hairstyle, overall very well-proportioned, hot and sexy bodies with even facial features well above average or better for the group.

First one was several months ago, can't even remember when exactly. It was the first time I'd seen this one walking around the area and I am in that area often. Would have remembered her since she was young and very sexy looking. She said she just arrived the night before. Per usual for the African girls here, she was very clingy and touchy on the street, overly "enamored" of me. Phony. Since a girl is of no real use to my own sexual satisfaction if she is excessively hairy around her pussy and does not agree to BBFS or BBBJ+CIM no matter how beautiful or sexy she is, I worked those features into our brief discussion if I was going to put her out of her big, phony "unrequited love" for me misery. LOL. But she would not budge below 3,000 for ST and that was only going to be the BBBJ+CIM part. I'd had black gfs in the USA, but she would be my first African girl in Thailand so curiosity and genuine horniness for her took over and off we went.

She was awful in bed. And way, way hairier than she let on outside. DATY was almost out of the question. Almost. But there is no way I would or could have cum from that truly lame BJ even if I had denied myself sexual release for a month ahead of time. Aborted mission and I never saw that girl in the area again after that one night.

Second one was about a month ago and was also a no go for BBFS at any price (well, I topped out at 3,000. Maybe she would have said yes for 100,000. I have no idea). However, she was fine with BBBJ+CIM for 2,000 but no lower. LOL. Ok, whatever. Her lips looked luscious and I needed to feel them.

She was just ok, no better than your average BJ Bar girl who might not have had a lot of experience anyway. I have seen her only a couple of times since and got the impression she might be up for BBFS with me now. But I have not been inspired to bother asking for clarification on that point and have never taken her again for BBBJ+CIM either.

Third one was just a few nights ago. This one was quite beautiful, really a stand-out among FL walking around Bkk, African or not. Can't imagine her not turning heads among any of the doubters here. And another plus was, although she exhibited all the same overly aggressive African FL behavior, there was no mention of money at all. Of course, she and I both knew there would be money paid but not a word about how much. I had first met her about a week earlier and she said she could do anything except a CIM finish for a BJ but was only offering BBBJ without CIM that night since she was on her period. I passed, but not before educating her on the fact that if the act finishes outside the mouth it is not really a BJ finish. At best, it is only a HJ with some oral foreplay thrown in. She laughed, but understood the technical truth of it. Anyway, a few days later, after she said her period would be finished, I contacted her on the Line account she had given me and she immediately met me in front of Hooters on Soi 4.

In the room she was a total waste of my time, my money and her beauty. Not sure I have been with a lady who was more timid, uptight, non sensual and non erotic after removing her clothes. There was no DFK, no gentle touching of my dick and balls, no way to get her to do more in terms of oral foreplay than almost non-existent contact on the very tip. She was beautifully shaved but seemed not to give a damn about my DATY, was no more responsive or ready for sexual intercourse after 10 minutes or so of my efforts than when she first dropped her drawers. Another aborted mission. I was less interested in sex with her than if I had just popped 3 times in the previous 90 minutes. After we got dressed I slipped 1,000 baht under the corner of her purse, she thanked me and apologized for not being good for me and that was the end of that.

I think my African girl in Thailand curiosity has been satisfied for quite some time now. LOL.[/QUOTE]Over the years I have been with two or three. Same experience as you. All were completely lackluster and a waste of time. Would never take one again.

[QUOTE=XXL;2092878] African women typically only shower once a day in the morning (instead of 15 times a day with detergents as in most part of the world these days).[/QUOTE]One of my worst sexual experiences I've ever had with any woman was with a black African woman in Africa. She was very sexy, but she stunk badly. I demanded we take a shower together before sex (with African girls, it needs to be together because if you leave them alone in the room while you shower, they will try to rip you off). I washed that chick with more soap than I've ever used in my life. But after the shower, she still stunk as bad as ever. Of course, I still shagged her, but I had to hold my breath and turn my head away from her to breathe the entire shag.

Maybe she needed those 15 showers.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2092492]Not sure why you are so keen on non-Thai girls given you are here in Thailand. Sounds like you would never be in the right place elsewhere to try Russians. Yes it is a lot to pay when get those restrictions. It is possible to get a lot cheaper girls without the restrictions.

I have been here off and on for very many years and still never took a Russian or CIS girl, nor any girls in Hijab etc. Just did not seem necessary. I certainly would if met a stunner though. I see higher standard European girls elsewhere. For me 95% to 99% of the black girls here are sub standard as well compared to OS. Once in a while meet a really super hot one, but very infrequently.[/QUOTE]Well as being a brown single guy who hasn't gotten laid since almost a year wanted to try out someone from Russia, I know many people can go why don't you go to Russia then, well I did go to Russia but it was with my whole family, so the chances of doing anything there were next to impossible. I was alone here so this was my only chance.

Its not about black or white or Thai or Russian, the girl in bamboo was Thai, I just find Russian girls really beautiful. But overall I would suggest to avoid Russians / CIS girls in Thailand, I will elaborate about that in my next report.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2092838]I think my African girl in Thailand curiosity has been satisfied for quite some time now. LOL.[/QUOTE]Great report, I had the curiosity of Russian / CIS girls and that has been satisfied for a while even though the experience was not good, so well I could relate to your post LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2092851]Yes I have only seen one that was stunning, and I was in a place where I could not proposition her, unfortunately. I believe her name may have been Christina but not certain. Did not see her return to that place again, but she probably has at times I was not there.

I did take one Zanzibar type girl once and she was totally crap on the bed.[/QUOTE]The ones I was with were named Sharon (many months ago, only saw her around the area that one time), Nancy (the only one who got me off, and that was via an average, unremarkable BBBJ+CIM) and Grace (the best looking one who seemed not to enjoy or want to engage in sex of any kind once I got her to my room).

[QUOTE=Slash787;2092980]Great report, I had the curiosity of Russian / CIS girls and that has been satisfied for a while even though the experience was not good, so well I could relate to your post LOL.[/QUOTE]Are there Russian FL's in BKK?

The only one I know of was in the Rajak Hotel but she wasn't a FL, she was 5'10 blonde and sexy as hell. Paid 3200 baht, probably by far the most I spent on a lady in BKK. It was worth it in a sense that in the real world, I'd never be able to hook up with a HOT 5 feet 10 inches Blonde Russian, it was a little disappointing that she did have restrictions. The set up was that it was a hotel, walk in and there were 2 Russian ladies to choose from, there was a papasan there and he asked which one I wanted, told him, and he called her over and she led me upstairs for a ST room.

I've never had an African before either, but thanks to your posts, I'm not even a bit curious anymore, no thanks.

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2093171]Are there Russian FL's in BKK?

The only one I know of was in the Rajak Hotel but she wasn't a FL, she was 5'10 blonde and sexy as hell. Paid 3200 baht, probably by far the most I spent on a lady in BKK. It was worth it in a sense that in the real world, I'd never be able to hook up with a HOT 5 feet 10 inches Blonde Russian, it was a little disappointing that she did have restrictions. The set up was that it was a hotel, walk in and there were 2 Russian ladies to choose from, there was a papasan there and he asked which one I wanted, told him, and he called her over and she led me upstairs for a ST room.

I've never had an African before either, but thanks to your posts, I'm not even a bit curious anymore, no thanks.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of CIS girls in BKK but most operate through agencies (Mafia?) and demand ridiculous price. I am generally not interested in CIS girls in BKK. Met one true freelancer a few months back thro' backpage ads. She sent her pics and was really stunning. Even had a video chat with her. Everything was on offer but she wanted 300 US $ for 2 hours. That is ridiculously high price to pay for a ST. So I passed. Still have her number. If you are interested, PM me.

Hit Soi Cowboy tonight. First thing you notice is all the neon signs above the bars are all turned off. I'm assuming this is because of the King. A bit darker to walk through.

Crazy House. The second you walk in the staff are on you to buy a drink. Nothing changes I guess. Lots of girls for sure for a tiny bar. I saw maybe 1 girl who was drink worthy. Only a 1 night layover again so time was too valuable to waste here.

Suzy Wong. Read so much about this club on here I figured it would have hot girls. I was also drawn in by a coyote in the front. Turns out she was the only decent girl. If this gogo bar were on Walking Street in Pattaya it would have the second worst lineup only ahead of Heaven Above. Never again.

Baccara - 2 or 3 cute ones so lower than what I expect from this bar. There may have been more on the other side of the stage but since girls don't rotate their position on stage I couldn't see the ones on the other side. Really liked #241.

Sahara - 2 cutest girls on Cowboy tonight by a mile were 2 coyote girls at Sahara. A shame they work at Sahara and not Thermae.

They locked the 1st floor door from Ruamchit lobby to Thermae. What a pain in the ass to get in the back door now even for those staying at the hotel.

8:30 pm. Never seen this place so quiet in my life. Maybe 20 girls and 10 guys. Left to go to Cowboy.

10:15 pm. An absolute zoo packed with many girls and Japanese guys. Very hot girls. Maybe 10 I could have went with. Took one of my regulars. I still think she's the hottest one.

1:00 am. Talent thinned out quite a bit. Maybe down to 50 girls and fewer guys. Couple of doable ones but after my draining session with my regular I was too beat to try another.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2093421]They locked the 1st floor door from Ruamchit lobby to Thermae. What a pain in the ass to get in the back door now even for those staying at the hotel.

8:30 pm. Never seen this place so quiet in my life. Maybe 20 girls and 10 guys. Left to go to Cowboy.

10:15 pm. An absolute zoo packed with many girls and Japanese guys. Very hot girls. Maybe 10 I could have went with. Took one of my regulars. I still think she's the hottest one.

1:00 am. Talent thinned out quite a bit. Maybe down to 50 girls and fewer guys. Couple of doable ones but after my draining session with my regular I was too beat to try another.[/QUOTE]1) Why do they make you pay to use the open restroom in the back?

2) Why do most paired up couples then exit through the back -- more discreet?

I've only been there once so didn't really get to take it all in and understand the nuances of the social order there. Going back in a month or two and will report back.

Thanks.

Subtitle: Spanky's OK, Foxzee top, Crazy Horse flop, Mcdonalds crazy.

I just had one night in Bangkok coming from Pattaya and leaving for Mandalay tomorrow. Went to Spanky's first, everything as expected. The problem is, I had exceptional nights in Spanky's before, so a normal night there is kind of disappointing. So I went to Foxzee bar in soik 20, a little bit but not completely off the beaten track. Met a 100% stunning cutie there but it being my first visit I didn't know exactly what was on offer. And to be honest, I already wanted to spend an hour or two in Crazy Horse and company would have been difficult to handle.

So went to Crazy Horse. Big disappointment! I'm not one the one to count every single baht, but being a mathematician by profession in earlier times I can't help having the current total bill somewhere in the back of my head. At least in places where I know the prices. So when it was time to pay the bill I knew it would amount to something between 1800 and 1900. Instead, I was quoted 2500, which simply couldn't be the correct sum, and besides, even a drunk non-mathematician would have been surprised by the roundness" of that number. So I politely mentioned that there had probably been some mistake and to please redo the calculation. The absolutely stunning girl number 21 in my arms (and between my legs) insisted that 2500 was the total bill, but after some discussion she told the waitress to get a phone. Instead, the waitress took all the signed slips to the cashier and came back with a calculator and the same stack of signed slips. Except that after the original slips with a total amount of 1860 baht there was a new slip. Not signed, of course, with an additional amount of 640 baht! At least somebody had been able to correctly calculate 2500-1860! I pointed out that this last sales slip was new and not signed and hadn't been part of the stack of bills as it came out of my bill holder. Then a discussion with my girl number 21 and the waitress ensued about how I didn't understand the bar rules and how of course the additional 640 baht were to cover the lady's share of the lady drinks! The girl even started to theatrically pull her LD-slips out of her pocket and handed them back to the waitress! I insisted on knowing the rules and on paying 2000, as I had planned before already, including some tips. The waitress finally accepted (maybe remembering that I had offered her and the mamasan a drink earlier?) but insisted on a tip (that was not given) and on escorting me to the door. She even kissed me on the lips for goodbye but my suspicion is that she later talked to the doorman to point out who was not welcome at the club anymore next time. Well, let's see what will happen.

The sad thing is that even after their attempted scam they didn't just back down and claim that some unfortunate mistake had happened but instead the took it to the next level, first stupidly adding a new and unsigned sales slip, and then accusing me of not knowing any newly invented rules. I'm OK if I just have to keep an eye on the bill, and so far situations like this have always ended with some staff apologizing about a minor mistake and me pretending to believe the coincidence and handing over the tip that I had planned to give anyway before being scammed. But this time they tried to go on with the scam which I think is quite unpleasant. The other sad thing is that even despite what happened I will go back to crazy horse. Stupid me! There's simply no other place with so many fully nude girls in Bangkok. But if a place can survive so many successful or failed attempts to scam their customers (check the internet to find out!) just because they have some nude girls on display, then why the hell aren't other bars in the same road not following the same strategy? Personal acquaintances with people of influence?

The long story cut in short: don't visit crazy horse because they will try to rip you off, and if you ignore my advice like I will do myself then at least check your bills very carefully! I'm not the first that was offered a bill there that was a little bit too high.

From Crazy Horse I went to Suzy Wong. There I ordered my own drink and another drink for a girl. After a while the girl left, I sad bye and thanks for all the fish and the time spent with me. Five minutes later the girls comes back with a drink in her hand! It seems Suzie Wong has invented (together with others) a new way to cheat on their customers. It's the third time during these 2 week holidays of mine that it has happened to me that I refused to pay a drink and the drink just came all the same. It has never happened before in 9 years of bar experience in south east Asia, but three times already in one week! I don't think that my refusals are so much less clear and harder to understand all of a sudden, so my guess is that some clever bar owner or manager or mamasan came up with the idea to ask the customer for another drink and then bring one, regardless of the customer's answer. It the customer complains, just blame the loud music for a misunderstanding and hope that the naive customer will pay the drink all the same.

How nice. I'm starting to not completely disbelieve those old, angry and sometimes sour expatriots who tell me again and again how every Thai is a scammer. And I'm also trying to reschedule the rest of my holidays, maybe to ban chang or even Cambodia. Not sure though if the situation there is better since I last visited PP and Snooky ville.

After Crazy Hourse and Suzy wrong I went to Mcdonals, calling it a day. I sat opposite a ladyboy who spent at least 20 minutes watching himself in a pocket mirror and arranging some of his hair, not even using a comb but putting one hair at a time to one side and back to the other side. I really started to doubt his mental integrity! I mean, how can you sort your hair for 20 minutes in a pocket mirror? And he's probably still at it even now that I'm writing this 2 hours later!

OK, that ladyboy didn't do me any harm, not even of the financial type, contrary to he Crazy Suzy house! But on the other hand I really start to dislike those strange people. Nowadays there are bars that I don't even go into because from the outside I don't know if they will be full of guys inside! And therefore of course they regard deceiving customers about their real sex as legit, after all it's about earning money.

So, to cut a long story short: don't expect wonders in Spanky's, find your own cutie in a bar off the beaten track, avoid Crazy Horse and Suzie wong, and help stopping the ladyboy epidemic!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2092775]The black girls walking around the radius of the Nana area are butt ugly for the most part. I have seen only 1 that was what I would consider hot enough to take to my room. And admittedly, she was quite hot and I did consider taking her to my room. But in my opinion, no guy in their right mind should be even considering 99% of those black girls. The quality level is garbage.[/QUOTE]Is there more than normal in this area? In my previous trips here, it seemed they were mainly around the darker inbetween area from Soi 4 to Soi Cowboy. Now they're clustered right in front of my hotel and all along Soi 4 and they're very aggressive at times. Clearly look away and they still try and step in front of you and grab your arm. I have yet to see one that I thought was hot and even attractive. Very annoying.

Too rich for my blood. Thanks though.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;2093379]There are plenty of CIS girls in BKK but most operate through agencies (Mafia?) and demand ridiculous price. I am generally not interested in CIS girls in BKK. Met one true freelancer a few months back thro' backpage ads. She sent her pics and was really stunning. Even had a video chat with her. Everything was on offer but she wanted 300 US $ for 2 hours. That is ridiculously high price to pay for a ST. So I passed. Still have her number. If you are interested, PM me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2093417]Hit Soi Cowboy tonight. First thing you notice is all the neon signs above the bars are all turned off. I'm assuming this is because of the King. A bit darker to walk through.

Crazy House. The second you walk in the staff are on you to buy a drink. Nothing changes I guess. Lots of girls for sure for a tiny bar. I saw maybe 1 girl who was drink worthy. Only a 1 night layover again so time was too valuable to waste here.

Suzy Wong. Read so much about this club on here I figured it would have hot girls. I was also drawn in by a coyote in the front. Turns out she was the only decent girl. If this gogo bar were on Walking Street in Pattaya it would have the second worst lineup only ahead of Heaven Above. Never again.

[/QUOTE]You failed to read my report about Suzi Wong having died completely? Already had a weak line up before the change of management and only got worse.

I don't see staff come to get my drink order any faster than any other bar. In fact CH has been down on waitress numbers lately. That is a very strange comment. Bars offer drink service fairly promptly in all bars. They don't intend you to come in for free.

Back to Bangkok couple of days back. Ventured into soi cowboy again. This started little early around 8 pm, relatively less crowd. Most of the hot picks were available, which are generally occupied by 9 or 10. First entered spice girls and picked a hot looking girl. Apparently, I was not aware that I picked up a coyote. Off sudden my beer and lady drink costed me 900 bhat. She was hot and nice dance moves. But tipping her was minimum 100 bhat. She was not accepting anything below this. Within 10 minutes she finished her drink and made an excuse to run outside. I think most of the coyotes are for attracting the mongers and not really for longtime entertainment. I asked bar fine for coyote and her reply was "3000 bhat bar fine" and for whole night "8000 bhat". Not ready for negotiation at all.

Finished my beer and they went out to Afterskool. Now between expats I met, everyone has their own opinion about Afterskool. I personally liked it for two main reasons not crowded, and quick fun within the bar. Service of the girls is very good. Had beer and took two girls with lady drinks. One of them could speak impeccable English. She used work at one of the international chain hotels in Bangkok and has recently joined Afterskool. She introduced me to "Naughty boy" corner in Afterskool. At the end of the bar a small sitting area which finally meets the make room and toilet. This area is called as "Naughty boy corner". For 500 bhat you can get HJ or BJ for 1000 bhat right in the bar. I was quite thrilled and went for BJ in the club. It was nearly 9:30 and only one more customer was there. Who gave me thumbs up and went outside. Got my cock out cleaned it with wet wipes and I was getting a HJ and BJ in the open. Two girls came near us kind of like hiding our act, one was facing opposite side and other was facing me and smiling. It was kind of erotic and I was turned on by the whole experience. Never have I done it in public or in front of others. She doing a good job but don't expect it to be like in one on one session, like going on knees or lying down nothing like that. You both seat on the couch and she will bend down to give BJ and HJ simultaneously. Came in 15 minutes and was happy. Cleaned myself and went back to my original place. Offered her another lady drink. Asked her for bar fine but she declined as she doesn't do anything outside the bar. There was one more girl with curly hair who had amazing figure with perfect tits. She came a little late while I was in action. However she was only serving drinks and not participating in any action. All in all, I liked afterskool was there till 10 pm and saw atleast 4 more expats going to naught boy corner. If you want to experience something new then this is a good option. Don't expect very hot girls but service wise it is good.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2093608] Bars offer drink service fairly promptly in all bars. They don't intend you to come in for free.[/QUOTE]Agree but a customer should never accept wait staff to pull you by the arm and drag you to the only open table left in the corner of the bar where you can't see shit. This happened at the 3 second mark. Then when I decided to leave instead of sitting in a corner I tried to walk out but it happened to be when the girls were rotating to do their stage standing. I am not rude so didn't push my way through the girls but the waitress pushed me in to the girls to get my out of CH. This happened after maybe about 30 seconds after I entered the bar. I am anything but a freeloader in bars. You clearly get good service at CH since you are a regular. The agressiveness at CH is annoying imo. Maybe I'm just a laid back Pattaya gogo guy. I don't tolerate rude pushy wait staff.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2093619]Agree but a customer should never accept wait staff to pull you by the arm and drag you to the only open table left in the corner of the bar where you can't see shit. This happened at the 3 second mark. Then when I decided to leave instead of sitting in a corner I tried to walk out but it happened to be when the girls were rotating to do their stage standing. I am not rude so didn't push my way through the girls but the waitress pushed me in to the girls to get my out of CH. This happened after maybe about 30 seconds after I entered the bar. I am anything but a freeloader in bars. You clearly get good service at CH since you are a regular. The agressiveness at CH is annoying imo. Maybe I'm just a laid back Pattaya gogo guy. I don't tolerate rude pushy wait staff.[/QUOTE]I just calmly nod no.

Even when they try and grab my arm, I just politely move it away and point anywhere away from them as to where I'm going.

Usually, I'm just going to walk through at first to see if it's worth staying for, or if there's anyone there I'm trying to NOT see, but that isn't in THEIR best interest.

But I always make my own choice as to if I want to sit or not.

The key is just to remain calm and be polite and just firmly let them know that isn't where you want to go.

As I say, pointing toward the stairs and saying "Upstairs" or pointing toward the bathroom and saying "Toilet" (even if neither is your destination) goes a long ways toward them leaving you alone as well.

It's all just a part of the way.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2093619]Agree but a customer should never accept wait staff to pull you by the arm and drag you to the only open table left in the corner of the bar where you can't see shit. This happened at the 3 second mark. Then when I decided to leave instead of sitting in a corner I tried to walk out but it happened to be when the girls were rotating to do their stage standing. I am not rude so didn't push my way through the girls but the waitress pushed me in to the girls to get my out of CH. This happened after maybe about 30 seconds after I entered the bar. I am anything but a freeloader in bars. You clearly get good service at CH since you are a regular. The agressiveness at CH is annoying imo. Maybe I'm just a laid back Pattaya gogo guy. I don't tolerate rude pushy wait staff.[/QUOTE]They maybe quick to bring you a drink but disinclined to bring change after paying bill. You have to get serious with them to get change back. So now I carry plenty of small currency (exact change) so as not to play that little game. I don't like problems.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;2093640]You have to get serious with them to get change back. So now I carry plenty of small currency (exact change) so as not to play that little game. I don't like problems.[/QUOTE]The twenty and fifty notes are the most precious in Thailand. I always keep a lot of them during my trips and use them only for taxis, bars, small restaurants and tip for restaurants or traditional massage girls.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2093463]Is there more than normal in this area? In my previous trips here, it seemed they were mainly around the darker inbetween area from Soi 4 to Soi Cowboy. Now they're clustered right in front of my hotel and all along Soi 4 and they're very aggressive at times. Clearly look away and they still try and step in front of you and grab your arm. I have yet to see one that I thought was hot and even attractive. Very annoying.[/QUOTE]They are ugly and annoying. However, if guys would stop paying for their services, they would not be there. I blame the guys who take those kind of girls for that trash cluttering up the streets.

Has anyone had a threesome where you DIDN'T have to change the condom when you switched to the other girl's vagina? In my experience everytime I want to penetrate the second girl they stop me and want to change the condom. Even in the mouth the girl wants to use a wet wipe on me before she starts sucking. Please provide name of any place that won't do this.

The solution is to use female condoms.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2093678]They are ugly and annoying. However, if guys would stop paying for their services, they would not be there. I blame the guys who take those kind of girls for that trash cluttering up the streets.[/QUOTE]I feel the same way about many facets of the industry these days. When I hit the PSE oilies all I see is old gals or gals who have terrible mommy body. No matter how good the performance is there is just no way I'm going to pay for that. Don't understand why anyone would. As long as guys settle for this crap, it is going to be what is on offer. Same holds true with the bad attitudes you see from lookers at overpriced GoGo bars.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2093817]I feel the same way about many facets of the industry these days. When I hit the PSE oilies all I see is old gals or gals who have terrible mommy body. No matter how good the performance is there is just no way I'm going to pay for that. Don't understand why anyone would. As long as guys settle for this crap, it is going to be what is on offer. Same holds true with the bad attitudes you see from lookers at overpriced GoGo bars.[/QUOTE]Very interesting. What does consensus say about this? Girls who are really into what they're doing with great attitudes but slightly poor physical shape? Or hot looking face and body who lay there like a dead fish? Of course in a perfect world you'd want the whole package, but who can tell without testing the goods first?

Personally I'd chose slightly bad physique with a good attitude and one who really gets into it. Even if she's faking and putting on a good show.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2093678]They are ugly and annoying. However, if guys would stop paying for their services, they would not be there. I blame the guys who take those kind of girls for that trash cluttering up the streets.[/QUOTE]As the saying goes, One Man's Meat is Another Man's Poison. Of the three African girls I tried (and paid), two were aborted missions because they were so bad in bed for me and only one delivered a decent BBBJ+CIM that we agreed upon. That is no worse a rate of success for me than in some of the most highly touted so-called PSE oilies I read glowing reviews about on these pages. And the African girls I chose were far and away younger with better bodies and sexier faces than most of the Thai girls I have seen in those shops.

I have little doubt that the many "2-Minute Men" who travel to Bangkok and find themselves fighting to hold back their first of 3 hoped for pops in 90 minutes while the lady is merely soaping up her own hands in the shower at some of those shops would have been delighted with what I found worthy of aborting within 15 minutes with those African girls.

Similar to what Goatscrot posted, I see extremely ugly Thai freelancers who still to this day call out and reach out to me as I walk past them. I have never taken them, never seen any other man taking them and yet they have been standing or strolling around the area for years. I have no idea where their money comes from or why they still hang around. But there they are. And now I am seeing the same inexplicable thing happening with the extremely ugly African girls out there.

[QUOTE=AmericanThief;2093744]Has anyone had a threesome where you DIDN'T have to change the condom when you switched to the other girl's vagina?[/QUOTE]Yes. I did not have to do that in The Philippines, the USA, Mexico, Hong Kong, Vietnam, etc. because I was involved in threesomes with two girls who did not require me to wear a condom in the first place. Even though this was several years ago for me, I have a hunch the conditions would be the same in, say, the Philippines as it was for me 15-20 years ago at perhaps the height of the heterosexual HIV hysteria-inspired condomania. Thailand was simply indoctrinated about and terrorized into wearing condoms in ways other countries were not and the lingering effects of that have held on longer than other places.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;2093640]They maybe quick to bring you a drink but disinclined to bring change after paying bill. You have to get serious with them to get change back. So now I carry plenty of small currency (exact change) so as not to play that little game. I don't like problems.[/QUOTE]I had this happen to me at CH too. Had to chase the waitress for my change. It was a fairly significant amount too. The only other time in well over 1000 gogo bar visits this happened was at Windmill in Pattaya. Waitress didn't bring back around 700 baht and went to hide. I was close with mamasan at the time and mamasan chased her down and gave her the third degree.

Just my opinion that CH is the absolute worst gogo bar there is. They don't give a shit about a customer cause guys keep coming. Almost every CH visit something happens like when the mamasan turned into the devil after I said no to barfining a girl. She had only sat with me fro about 10 minutes and I she was only on her second drink. This club is the worst imho. I'll take my money to Pattaya gogo bars where I am treated like a King.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;2093640]They maybe quick to bring you a drink but disinclined to bring change after paying bill. You have to get serious with them to get change back. So now I carry plenty of small currency (exact change) so as not to play that little game. I don't like problems.[/QUOTE]Also, the last time I was in Crazy House about two weeks ago, the girls were still pulling their "tequila and coke" non-existent single cocktail bit in order to scam the customer into buying them two Lady Drinks from the get go instead of just one. When the girl asks you to buy her a "tequila and coke", that is two Lady Drinks, not one mixed cocktail. Already being aware of this particular scam, I caught it immediately with my girl and said, "No, just one Lady Drink for now". But my buddy fell for it with his girl and I felt bad that I had not warned him about it before we went into CH. There are just so many Lady Drink hustle scams you can review and warn against beforehand and it seems Crazy House is the prime testing zone for the go-go girls and servers to try anything and everything to pull the latest, newest, scammiest ones.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2093854]Also, the last time I was in Crazy House about two weeks ago, the girls were still pulling their "tequila and coke" non-existent single cocktail bit in order to scam the customer into buying them two Lady Drinks from the get go instead of just one. When the girl asks you to buy her a "tequila and coke", that is two Lady Drinks, not one mixed cocktail. Already being aware of this particular scam, I caught it immediately with my girl and said, "No, just one Lady Drink for now". But my buddy fell for it with his girl and I felt bad that I had not warned him about it before we went into CH. There are just so many Lady Drink hustle scams you can review and warn against beforehand and it seems Crazy House is the prime testing zone for the go-go girls and servers to try anything and everything to pull the latest, newest, scammiest ones.[/QUOTE]Obviously the girls are trained to ask for two drinks, and supposedly not having the skills to explain it to the customer. LOL Obviously any bar goer with experience knows there is no such thing as a tequila-coke mixed drink. The girls like to have both. Tequila helps relief their shyness, but they still need something else for hydration and thirst quenching, which could be just plain water they can get at the counter if they need it.

So for sure buy them just tequilas, or just soft if they are a girl who does no alcohol.

Newbies will probably only fall for the trick once, when they see that two drinks arrive for the girl. I always show a finger to indicate 1 drink to the waitress just in case she can't hear me properly in the din. So I say "one tequila for the girl" point to her and raise the one finger to make sure the waitress gets it. You can't let girls order from the waitress directly unless they are well trained by yourself.

Obviously I still like CH even if visit not so often any more. The line up is quite variable. Good some days, bad other days. Can't beat it for skinny natural looking naked girls here in Bangkok (mostly Issan of course), so contrary to what BB says, it is still one of the least boring bars for me. The worst part of CH, is the shows intended to help fat and ugly girls make some money. I switch off totally if they come on. I don't need to be treated like a king, but the staff do look after me a bit special. The girls that I take form CH as regulars are enthusiastic on the bed and can do GFE which is a lot better than what I typically get from freelancers. The difference is my girls prefer farangs. For me they are much sexier looking than typical MP girls.

I have been attending Shark a bit which has some nice looking girls (very few in the non Coyote section). It is definitely a much more boring bar. Girls are over-dressed. Cannot tell if Coyotes have decent tits or not. I hate the trend to Coyote outfits and over-priced barfines for Coyotes, yet the Coyote girls hardly know how to be a real "Coyote". So I call them fake "Coyotes". I have attended Twisters and Billboard a bit in Nana but apart from one or two very lucky picks (that were regulars for a time till they moved on), have struggled to find really good girls in there. I have no regular girls in Nana Plaza at present. No regular street walkers, and not even any regular MP girls at this time. My last favourites moved on.

Maybe today I will feel like walking past those BJ shops to see if have any cuties, and check a few MPs. Had not been in an MP at all for last few weeks. My mongering has dropped off severely, just doing regular girls known for a long time, including one girl previously done 5 years ago (but still in good nick). LOL

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2093865]Obviously the girls are trained to ask for two drinks, .[/QUOTE]Is this commonplace in other BKK bars or just trained by CH? Never had it happen to me in Pattaya and I buy A LOT of lady drinks for A LOT of different girls.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2093847]Just my opinion that CH is the absolute worst gogo bar there is. They don't give a shit about a customer cause guys keep coming. Almost every CH visit something happens[/QUOTE]Completely agree. Terrible place. On every visit, they have been rude to me. One girl didn't deliver in my room and just left, but mamasan didn't give a shit about it when I went back and complained. Even got rude. Everyone is bullying you to buy drinks. Other girls even interrupt your conversation with a girl to tell you to buy her a drink. I mean, who the fuck are you to interrupt my conversation, am I sitting with you or this girl? Use your mobile (I am not talking about taking photos, just reading the news or texting) and someone will ask you to put it away. Oh, and all the girls that only go with Koreans and Japanese; "she no like America man", "cool, I am from Europe", awkward silence.

Avoid that shithole.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2093867]Is this commonplace in other BKK bars or just trained by CH? Never had it happen to me in Pattaya and I buy A LOT of lady drinks for A LOT of different girls.[/QUOTE]Obviously guys evaluate bars from totally different perspectives. How good are the bar service staff is of so little importance to me. Mamasans don't count as well. I don't need them. I only care if girls have good figures (not too many defects), reasonable faces, and fuck good. Drink prices is something to be aware of a little. Lady drinks are a lot more expensive in Shark.

In Shark girls are not trained to ask for 2 drinks, but rather to ask you to buy drinks for her friends that are of no interest. LOL Seems more silly to me. However it makes sense to the bar because they have a lot of girls and not as many customers as CH. So some girls will get no drinks at all if they can't latch onto a friend's customer.

Obviously you know Pattaya and I don't. As for Bangkok gogo bars, it is less common for girls to ask for two drinks for sure, however I don't know what happens in a lot of bars. No clue about all the "Arab's" bars. Yes it's a good CH trick. I can't say when this trend really got started in a big way, but obviously it is girl dependent. A few of the most popular girls may have been doing it for 2 or 3 years and then it started to spread.

Naturally Bacarra is even worse where they want you to buy drinks before entering (at least for non Japanese customers). Before deciding if there is any suitable seating and before deciding if you like the line up at all or want to walk straight back out again. My other complaints about Bacarra are: the stage is too crowded so you can only see the nearest girls. The less dressed girls (topless) upstairs are the uglier ones, even though you can see them better. Just too much surgeries for me, causing too many girls to look like ladyboys or aliens. Reasonable bodies (ignoring the silicone) but typically plain faces partially obscured by very weird hair styles. "Top" rated popular girls in the club were very plain to my taste. I like a real more natural Thai look. There is the odd stunner if can find her in amongst the crowd. I have had the odd reasonable girl from Bacarra in the distant past. Not for a few years though.

Long Gun has some naked girls as does Dollhouse I think, but pretty much all uglies or poor figures, maybe the odd exception.

The best looking bargirls that performed well for me over the last 4 years all came from Crazy House. Unfortunately the top 3 (Nat, Donut and May-Lee) are gone. One quite cute girl from Billboard might make the top six (also long gone). Stunners are hard to come by. Sexy girls, no problem.

Have not had a real stunner from MPs that was any good for quite a few years now. One quite pretty girl last year with nice tits but well short of being stunning. Another quite pretty one but with belly scar and only moderate on the bed (both are gone). Had the odd stunner that was crap from Soapies. Have never had a real stunner from Thermae at all. My favourite Thermae girls are from the long distant past. Just two bring back very fond memories. That was in the days when Thermae was for Farangs.

Everything seems to go into deterioration mode, like Goatscrot has been saying for years. Girl attitudes are not the same. Most bargirls don't do long time. They say they cannot sleep with a stranger in the bed (even they have known you a long time). Some say they typically sleep from 5AM to 1PM as their normal thing. 25 years ago we got a bargirl for the night for 500 Baht and and maybe BF was 300 or less. I never heard of ST with a bargirl in those days. Some girls lingered and was hard to get rid of them. Hence we used to say "You pay the girl in order to get her to leave." MP girls were relatively more expensive than bargirls in those days. Thermae was in a different location and great for Farangs. It was open late after the other bars had all closed. My first Thermae girl was so good with big natural non-saggy tits, that I took her about 4 nights running LT. She spoke to me in a mixture of Thai with English pronouns thrown in. Was very tough to understand her as I had been learning Thai just a few months. Bangkok was like ascension to heaven in those days even the nudie bars were only in Patpong, but they were extra raunchy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2093847]I had this happen to me at CH too. Had to chase the waitress for my change. It was a fairly significant amount too. The only other time in well over 1000 gogo bar visits this happened was at Windmill in Pattaya. Waitress didn't bring back around 700 baht and went to hide. I was close with mamasan at the time and mamasan chased her down and gave her the third degree.

Just my opinion that CH is the absolute worst gogo bar there is. They don't give a shit about a customer cause guys keep coming. Almost every CH visit something happens like when the mamasan turned into the devil after I said no to barfining a girl. She had only sat with me fro about 10 minutes and I she was only on her second drink. This club is the worst imho. I'll take my money to Pattaya gogo bars where I am treated like a King.[/QUOTE]How can you talk or even enjoy being in there without earplugs? You would think that they would play seductive romantic music. That would help turn you on. I mentioned it to a waitress and she told me, "you can leave". So I left.

RL.

Just got into town and hustled to Thermae to get a beer just before 2:00 am. I was pleased at the choices. Flirted with 4 girls, bought a drink for my favorite, and did short time in my nearby hotel room for 2000 baht. Shower together, massage, BJ, and sex. I was more than pleased so I tipped 500 baht. Time in my hotel room was just over 2 hours.

I've read about Japanese men being favored, but I really didn't sense any kind of bias at Thermae. Of course, this was shortly before closing and there were about 45 girls and 7 customers.

I may not chose the same girl next time, but I will return to Thermae.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2093854]Also, the last time I was in Crazy House about two weeks ago, the girls were still pulling their "tequila and coke" non-existent single cocktail bit in order to scam the customer into buying them two Lady Drinks from the get go instead of just one. When the girl asks you to buy her a "tequila and coke", that is two Lady Drinks, not one mixed cocktail. Already being aware of this particular scam, I caught it immediately with my girl and said, "No, just one Lady Drink for now". But my buddy fell for it with his girl and I felt bad that I had not warned him about it before we went into CH. There are just so many Lady Drink hustle scams you can review and warn against beforehand and it seems Crazy House is the prime testing zone for the go-go girls and servers to try anything and everything to pull the latest, newest, scammiest ones.[/QUOTE]I had a girl at Billboard try that same scam on me. But I agree that CH is the worst place for that and pretty much every girl in the place tries that scam. CH and Billboard are the only 2 places I've seen girls try that dishonest scam though. Most bars aren't that unethical.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2093931]I had a girl at Billboard try that same scam on me. But I agree that CH is the worst place for that and pretty much every girl in the place tries that scam. CH and Billboard are the only 2 places I've seen girls try that dishonest scam though. Most bars aren't that unethical.[/QUOTE]LOL. Funny you mention that because at the repeated urging of a Billboard dancer I had taken about 3 weeks ago I went back there to take her out again just this past Tuesday night. She jumped on me when I walked in and was all lovey-dovey in the booth. Naturally, I asked her if she wanted a drink before we leave, trusted her to order through the server on her own and what do you think she was brought? Yep, a "tequila and coke", two Lady Drinks at once. LOL.

I made a mental note of it, didn't say anyhing about it and just wrote it off as getting the formality of the typical two LDs we generally contribute to the cause out of the way quickly when we know we're going to barfine the girl and get what we want in the room.

But now I see from your post that Billboard has added the "You want a drink?" - "Yes, I want a tequila and coke. You ok?" hustle to their already well established "This is my friend. You buy her a drink too?" hustle.

She didn't pull that one when I first met her and took her out 3 weeks ago. But she managed to slip a variation of it in there the second time around anyway. Lolol.

[QUOTE=AmericanThief;2093744]Has anyone had a threesome where you DIDN'T have to change the condom when you switched to the other girl's vagina? In my experience everytime I want to penetrate the second girl they stop me and want to change the condom. Even in the mouth the girl wants to use a wet wipe on me before she starts sucking. Please provide name of any place that won't do this.[/QUOTE]About change condom when you switched the girl I always had the same experience. Unfortunately.
For BBBJ It depends on the girls. Some want to use a wet wipe or "clean" my cock with the towel other girls just share my cock in their mouth, suck and lick together without problems.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2093962]About change condom when you switched the girl I always had the same experience. Unfortunately.
For BBBJ It depends on the girls. Some want to use a wet wipe or "clean" my cock with the towel other girls just share my cock in their mouth, suck and lick together without problems.[/QUOTE]It's a rough life.

Bars are closed today so street walkers are out early.

Correction. Nana is closed. Cowboy open.

Thermae closed but some girls outside. The pretty one I want is available. 3k to Farangs but I popped already.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2093962]About change condom when you switched the girl I always had the same experience. Unfortunately.
For BBBJ It depends on the girls. Some want to use a wet wipe or "clean" my cock with the towel other girls just share my cock in their mouth, suck and lick together without problems.[/QUOTE]Its the girl's preference and for hygiene sake.

I once banged two real life sisters in AC at the same time, they were agreeable with no change of condom, awesome bang!

[QUOTE=AmericanThief;2093744]Has anyone had a threesome where you DIDN'T have to change the condom when you switched to the other girl's vagina? [/QUOTE]Why would they want to risk catching an STD from another working girl? Their behaviour makes sense.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2093931]I had a girl at Billboard try that same scam on me. But I agree that CH is the worst place for that and pretty much every girl in the place tries that scam. CH and Billboard are the only 2 places I've seen girls try that dishonest scam though. Most bars aren't that unethical.[/QUOTE]I believe in Billboard that girls from the bubble bath area will not come and sit with you until you buy them at least two drinks. These are rules. So that is a little different, but I like it less as is not optional.

Decided to walk past Kasalong today. First time ever. It's not in a place you would typically pass unless staying in Soi 6 perhaps. Clearly the looks on average was well in front of Lolytas, based on past visits. Some girl called Yo was actually moderately pretty and not overweight. So I went in. Naturally I enquired about Full Service possibilities but Yo was apparently for BJ only.

She was willing to remove her top at least. Tits were gorgeous. Face 7 tits 8. Clearly no baby. Just BCups I guess but the shape was perfect. Pity no fuck.

BBBJ scores maybe 7 out 10. Nothing too surprising. Just standard. Depth about 3 inches only. Speed too fast. I was always saying it feels better when slower, but she would soon return to auto pilot which was at least double my desired speed. Tickled the balls quite nicely.

WIR? Probably not. I am not really a BJ man. It feels somewhat unfulfilling to me. Not really an a-hole enthusiast either. I like pretty pussy between skinny legs. If the BBBJ was really super, like a 10 points, I would repeat.

Did she swallow? LOL. I have no idea, at least not with 100% certainty. Clearly these girls are trained not to appear to spit it out, but get rid of it slyly, quickly and efficiently, and soundlessly. So I don't know if it ended up in the towel below very quickly indeed (most likely) or if she got rid of it at the basin after saying something to me (less likely but quite possible). However I am sure these girls are not into swallowing multiple loads per day. Even if I asked to inspect her mouth, not sure if would prove anything if she managed to get rid of it very fast. Magic tricks. Sorry if I burst any bubbles. I remember a few years back, Raptors proudly reporting how his Tulip girl had swallowed, when I knew damn well she never did that. She was clever. Can't see why swallowing is such an interesting thing to guys (influenced by porn little doubt). If it is so good, ask the girl to spit it into your own mouth (you wouldn't want it to go to waste).

Warning to guys going straight home to the Mrs from Kasalong. The seat was a couch, leather but cracked. You get to sit on a towel, but if you lean back on the sofa, cracks in the leather could make marks on your back that might take a little time to fade away. Might be difficult to explain how got those.

Can anyone name names? Is their any girl there pretty and good body like Yo, but likes to have a Farang cock (not so small) in her pussy ?

Went for a walk to Nana to check out the street walkers. It was only 7:30 PM but several nice looking girls especially 2 in Sukhumvit road (yes clearly real girls despite the location). I will return another day to one of them. Nana Plaza was closed, so any thought to check the Twisters early line up evaporated.

Then went walking back to Thermae to see if was open or closed. Door was closed. A really slim pretty girl with cute face and natural upturned nose, same girl I had spotted last visit but was beaten to by a Japanese guy buying her tequilas, well tonight she was standing outside. Asian guy spoke to her briefly then moved on. I found out she takes Farangs but charges 3 K. Not clear whether she is worth the risk. I will probably risk trying her another time, when unfucked (I mean unpopped).

Kept walking and the weather was not that hot. Guys think they need to stay in Nana Hotel to be very close to action due to the heat. Makes me laugh. By 10 pm temperature was even very pleasant outside, and we still have not reached the official cool season.

Kept walking to Cowboy and discovered Cowboy bars were open. Entertainment is banned today, and looks like the cowboy bars could not sell alcohol. They also did not play what I would describe as music, and in some bars the girls were not allowed to dance.

Had a look in Dollhouse. No one naked. Liked one gazelle with a blonde wig but when she got off the stage she went straight to a customer she was clearly with so I left. No one else was at all interesting. First set of dancers had skirts and tops on. There were the average lookers. Second set were the more scantily dressed fat girls. None acceptable looking. Overall standard miles behind Shark and even shark has limited lookers in the normal gogo section with see-through outfits.

Crazy House was super boring. Had one drink and left. Girls not nude, not topless, not dancing. They were playing something with a beat but I would not describe it as music. Girls just standing and shuffling on the stage. No alcohol (I guess). Was slightly too early for the best girls to have arrived. Typically the best girls come in the front door between 9 and 9. 30 pm. You can be too early and you can be too late. The right time to arrive CH is 9 PM, to see which better looking girls arrive. Waste of time for me. Better off to call a girl and have her come over.

So mostly in the wrong place at the wrong time. However now I know some reasonable street freelancers can be out as early as 7:30 PM. I will use that another night. Almost ready for the extreme gamble of some good looking freelancers. LOL. Probability of success not great. Walking around a reasonable distance at this time of night is not an issue. Got maybe only slightly sticky.

Ended up in a Sports bar which was allowed to open and sell alcohol because their license is not in the entertainment category.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2094011]Why would they want to risk catching an STD from another working girl? Their behaviour makes sense.[/QUOTE]Sure, but it makes a mockery of a threesome. Putting on one condom is enough of a hassle, changing condoms 2 or 3 times turns the fantasy into a chore. Same thing if a girl wants you to change the condom between vaginal and anal. Giving the condom a quick wipe and putting on some fresh lube should suffice.

I've got some lube here containing two kinds of parabens. Not many germs can survive that.

[QUOTE=XXL;2094052]Sure, but it makes a mockery of a threesome. Putting on one condom is enough of a hassle, changing condoms 2 or 3 times turns the fantasy into a chore. Same thing if a girl wants you to change the condom between vaginal and anal. Giving the condom a quick wipe and putting on some fresh lube should suffice.

I've got some lube here containing two kinds of parabens. Not many germs can survive that.[/QUOTE]Parabens are a kind of preservative and have no antibacterial effect. Pussy to arse is no problem but arse to pussy is going to transfer faecal bacteria into the vagina which can cause all sorts of health problems.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2094048]Decided to walk past Kasalong today. First time ever. It's not in a place you would typically pass unless staying in Soi 6 perhaps. Clearly the looks on average was well in front of Lolytas, based on past visits. Some girl called Yo was actually moderately pretty and not overweight. So I went in. Naturally I enquired about Full Service possibilities but Yo was apparently for BJ only.

She was willing to remove her top at least. Tits were gorgeous. Face 7 tits 8. Clearly no baby. Just BCups I guess but the shape was perfect. Pity no fuck.

BBBJ scores maybe 7 out 10. Nothing too surprising. Just standard. Depth about 3 inches only. Speed too fast. I was always saying it feels better when slower, but she would soon return to auto pilot which was at least double my desired speed. Tickled the balls quite nicely.

WIR? Probably not. I am not really a BJ man. It feels somewhat unfulfilling to me. Not really an a-hole enthusiast either. I like pretty pussy between skinny legs. If the BBBJ was really super, like a 10 points, I would repeat.

Warning to guys going straight home to the Mrs from Kasalong. The seat was a couch, leather but cracked. You get to sit on a towel, but if you lean back on the sofa, cracks in the leather could make marks on your back that might take a little time to fade away. Might be difficult to explain how got those.[/QUOTE]Good to have a name but I also find the BJ bar experience unfulfilling and definitely not good value.

You must have a really suspicious girlfriend if you worry she'll guess you were in a blow job bar based on marks on your back. Could you not just say there were cracks in the sofa of a coffee shop or something?

[QUOTE=XXL;2094052]Sure, but it makes a mockery of a threesome. Putting on one condom is enough of a hassle, changing condoms 2 or 3 times turns the fantasy into a chore. Same thing if a girl wants you to change the condom between vaginal and anal. Giving the condom a quick wipe and putting on some fresh lube should suffice.

I've got some lube here containing two kinds of parabens. Not many germs can survive that.[/QUOTE]In hospitals they kill bacteria with high temperature steam, I believe. Autoclave. High temperature being the critical thing. That is about the only sure way to kill the bacteria. Even if the condoms had antiseptic chemicals that are not harmful to dick and pussy, they wouldn't really work very well.

Put bacteria into antiseptic liquid. Under the microscope, the some of the bacteria can be seen swimming around quite happily.

If no condoms in a threesome, the girl basically doubles her risk perhaps (or more than doubles it). I am sure some girls will do that for the right money, especially if they are bisexuals that are fucking each other regular. You might want to get all three of you tested first. That might cost a bit, although I hear the Red Cross will test girls for free (I suppose that maybe HIV only).

[QUOTE=*****man;2094068]Good to have a name but I also find the BJ bar experience unfulfilling and definitely not good value.

You must have a really suspicious girlfriend if you worry she'll guess you were in a blow job bar based on marks on your back. Could you not just say there were cracks in the sofa of a coffee shop or something?[/QUOTE]Wasn't related to my GF, who is not a dectective type, and I would not be likely to be rushing home to her. However the marks can be worse when back is against the sofa with no towel or shirt in between. I could feel the pressure of the cracks or tear. I could guess what the marks would come out like.

I used to have a highly suspicious girl many years ago, who would be right onto any types of evidence that could be found. Was like a bloodhound. LOL Any types of unusual scents is something girls can also detect quite skilfully at times. Bad if have the smell of some girl on you. Sometimes a guy can be too clean when he gets home. LOL Sometimes something needs to be done about that to get back to a suitably normal sweaty body. Long hairs of wrong thickness and colour stuck to your undies can be dynamite too. Fortunately all these problems was long ago for me. Once an ex girl friend of mine found blonde hairs stuck to outside rear view mirror of my car. She demanded an explanation. I did not have one. I certainly had not been with a blonde. No clues.

To all the Mongers and experts here; I appreciate all of your comments and Trip reports. All of you have opened me up to a world that I didn't know existed and one that I really wish I knew about when I was much younger.

The only regret on my part is, where was this forum when I was 24-25. While I was still young, far more virile and horny with little to no attachments or responsibilities?

I am joking here. But finding out about an Adult Disneyland for Males at the ripe old age of 44 while having responsibilities (mortgage and Wife / Kids) really sucks.

I will tell you that I have added going to Bangkok, visiting Nana Plaza / Soi Cowboy and getting a sloppy BBBJ in the middle of the bar while downing a beer (among a huge list of things) onto my proverbial "Bucket List". I don't know how I will do it, how old I will be and how much Cialis I will have to take; but as God as my witness. I look forward to crossing "Spending a week at Bangkok and Pattaya" off my list one day in the distant future.

Party on Mongers!

I will continue to live through your Trip reports until I can finally write one of my own for the next newbie that stumbles onto this board.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2094048]Can anyone name names? Is their any girl there pretty and good body like Yo, but likes to have a Farang cock (not so small) in her pussy ?[/QUOTE]Here is my report on just what you are looking for.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2080359]I had heard some good things about the girls at Kasalomg so decided to give it a try. 12:30 there were about 5-6 ladies working. One was a real spinner. Mint turned out to be 21 going on 22 this month. Small be cup tits and a real nice ass and figure. Chose the 1,700 Baht one hour FS session which compares with Som's heaven. However it's not 700 for a BJ but now 800. The corner VIP room is very big with an old style washroom with a shower in the tub.

Started the session with a mediocre BJ. Mint said she has worked there for 1 year and has a Thai boyfriend whose in the dark. Moved to DATY and what an enjoyable site. She came very good but this seemed to tucker her out. After she exploded, we laid there a few minutes while she caught her breath. Then we moved to sex in multiple positions, cowgirl, doggy, and then mish where I finished. Mint is very tight and concerned about dick size because she is a small girl. Long brown hair down to the small of her back, so sexy. Disappointments were no BB and a little mechanical but overall worth the 1700 to look at her beautiful body.

Looks 8/10.

Body 8/10.

Service 6/10.

Repeat The jury is still out.

Kasalong is a good alternative for Som's and the girls seem a lot better than Wood Bar. More innocent lookimg and not so rough around the edges. Overall worth the 1700.[/QUOTE]

Like I said, a little mechanical but still well worth it for 1,700 Baht. Slim body, no baby, young, and can take farang cock.

[QUOTE=*****man;2094063]Parabens are a kind of preservative and have no antibacterial effect.[/QUOTE]Uhm. "These compounds, and their salts, are used primarily for their bactericidal and fungicidal properties". "Parabens are active against a broad spectrum of microorganisms."

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraben[/URL]

Of course there's no 100% magic bullet but I think girls could do better than insist on condom changes. Unless you also agree they should only perform CBJs.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2094048]Did she swallow? LOL. I have no idea, at least not with 100% certainty. Clearly these girls are trained not to appear to spit it out, but get rid of it slyly, quickly and efficiently, and soundlessly. So I don't know if it ended up in the towel below very quickly indeed (most likely) or if she got rid of it at the basin after saying something to me (less likely but quite possible). However I am sure these girls are not into swallowing multiple loads per day. Even if I asked to inspect her mouth, not sure if would prove anything if she managed to get rid of it very fast. Magic tricks. Sorry if I burst any bubbles. I remember a few years back, Raptors proudly reporting how his Tulip girl had swallowed, when I knew damn well she never did that. She was clever. Can't see why swallowing is such an interesting thing to guys (influenced by porn little doubt). If it is so good, ask the girl to spit it into your own mouth (you wouldn't want it to go to waste).[/QUOTE]Cum swallowing at the end of a blowjob as a "surprise" finish (or done secretly) without making the man aware beforehand that she is going to swallow at the finish is a wasted opportunity and does little or nothing to improve the pleasure of the experience. There is almost no reason for the girl to do it that way for the sake of making it a more pleasurable experience for the man other than that she does not spoil the mood afterwards by introducing the rude, insulting and nasty habit of spitting out something right in front of him after his orgasm.

The primary point of cum swallowing is to improve upon the pleasure of the experience DURING the blowjob, his "knowing" all during the blowjob that she will swallow his cum at the finish. And his knowing that she will not spoil the mood of this pro-active delivery of pleasure to him with a rude, insulting and nasty spitting out of what, if she is doing it well, she was apparently so intent upon getting into her mouth in the first place. It has almost nothing to do with "added pleasure" at the instant of swallowing as in a surprise finish or something like that. At that point, after he has already cum, the pleasure possibilities are nearly nil. I am always puzzled by people who claim to know and thing or two about oral sex but miss this most obvious point.

It has nothing to do with exposure to porn. In fact, since porn relies heavily on the viewer "seeing" the money shot, it is rare to see a girl simply swallow the cum at the end as women all around the world routinely did (and still do) long before there were porn videos. Instead, aside from a few standout stars on the subject like Heather Brooke, the girl tends to pull away too soon and for too long in order to "show" the viewer that the man is cumming and, at most, might only lick some of it off her fist to swallow or something like that. That is, in the unfortunately rare occasions when the porn actor isn't reduced to wanking himself off into her mouth. Then, more often than not, the girl still pushes some or most of that cum out in order to "show" the viewer.

No, I would say Cumming On Face (COF) is probably the fairly recent trend that has been influenced by exposure to porn, not ordinary swallowing at the end. And THAT was probably developed in porn in order to accomplish what I was saying about "showing" the man cumming, the money shot.

If you don't think the "knowing" ahead of time that your girl will simply quickly and efficiently swallow that teaspoon of fluid instead of spitting it out enhances the experience immeasurably and that spitting it out runs a real risk of spoiling it, try a turnaround version of it with your lady. Next couple of times you engage in DATY, soon after she has her orgasm, pull away and spit out whatever fluid has emerged from her into a tissue. Or, better yet, stand up, hurry over to the nearest sink and take a good long time to spit, rinse, spit, rinse and repeat to make sure none of it is inadvertently swallowed. I'm betting by the third time your lady has been made aware that you apparently are so revolted by the product of her body that you otherwise seem to be intent on making happen with your mouth that you must get rid of it quickly rather than simply swallow it, you won't be giving her many more orgasms that way.

[QUOTE]Can anyone name names? Is their any girl there pretty and good body like Yo, but likes to have a Farang cock (not so small) in her pussy ?[/QUOTE]The only one of the current better looking day shift girls that I have been with is Minh, who I see has recently colored her very long hair to a somewhat light reddish hue. Minh (that was the spelling she gave me years ago. I don't think she is the same as "Mint" mentioned elsewhere since the other details don't seem to match) is no doubt the most often chosen girl at Kasalong Bar, has been since she arrived there soon after it first opened. I wouldn't be surprised if she is the most often chosen girl in any BJ Bar anywhere in Thailand. One could easily pass by Kasalong Bar during the day many times and not even know she works there because she is the one girl most likely to be kept busy inside. She also provides FS. Have no idea what size cock she is up for these days. Actually, I have never heard of a Kasalong Bar girl who does not provide FS too unless she is on her period. But maybe there have been some working there lately. I don't know Yo so I don't know how Minh compares. I wouldn't say Minh is "skinny", but is of normal weight proportional to her height. She must be about 23 years old now unless she was lying about being 20 years old 3 years ago when I first met her at Kasalong Bar. LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2094239]Cum swallowing at the end of a blowjob as a "surprise" finish (or done secretly) without making the man aware beforehand that she is going to swallow at the finish is a wasted opportunity and does little or nothing to improve the pleasure of the experience. There is almost no reason for the girl to do it that way for the sake of making it a more pleasurable experience for the man other than that she does not spoil the mood afterwards by introducing the rude, insulting and nasty habit of spitting out something right in front of him after his orgasm.

The primary point of cum swallowing is to improve upon the pleasure of the experience DURING the blowjob, his "knowing" all during the blowjob that she will swallow his cum at the finish. And his knowing that she will not spoil the mood of this pro-active delivery of pleasure to him with a rude, insulting and nasty spitting out of what, if she is doing it well, she was apparently so intent upon getting into her mouth in the first place. It has almost nothing to do with "added pleasure" at the instant of swallowing as in a surprise finish or something like that. At that point, after he has already cum, the pleasure possibilities are nearly nil. I am always puzzled by people who claim to know and thing or two about oral sex but miss this most obvious point..[/QUOTE]It's an ego thing. Women could care less because the physical nature of the various sexual acts doesn't really effect their ego. For a man, many of the acts feed ego especially anal, swallowing and bareback sex. There is a sense of accomplishment, of winning, when a woman does or allows these things so it can very much be a more rewarding experience when these activities happen unexpectedly. This 'special' feeling doesn't happen when its expected.

Also, there is a common conception that male ejaculation is much more unpleasant in both taste and texture when compared to a woman's (if she is clean). There is also a demeaning and dirty stigma attached to swallowing cum which further emphasizes the the ego boost when a woman actually consumes yours.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2094239]Cum swallowing at the end of a blowjob as a "surprise" finish (or done secretly) without making the man aware beforehand that she is going to swallow at the finish is a wasted opportunity and does little or nothing to improve the pleasure of the experience. There is almost no reason for the girl to do it that way for the sake of making it a more pleasurable experience for the man other than that she does not spoil the mood afterwards by introducing the rude, insulting and nasty habit of spitting out something right in front of him after his orgasm.

The primary point of cum swallowing is to improve upon the pleasure of the experience DURING the blowjob, his "knowing" all during the blowjob that she will swallow his cum at the finish. And his knowing that she will not spoil the mood of this pro-active delivery of pleasure to him with a rude, insulting and nasty spitting out of what, if she is doing it well, she was apparently so intent upon getting into her mouth in the first place. It has almost nothing to do with "added pleasure" at the instant of swallowing as in a surprise finish or something like that. At that point, after he has already cum, the pleasure possibilities are nearly nil. I am always puzzled by people who claim to know and thing or two about oral sex but miss this most obvious point.

It has nothing to do with exposure to porn. In fact, since porn relies heavily on the viewer "seeing" the money shot, it is rare to see a girl simply swallow the cum at the end as women all around the world routinely did (and still do) long before there were porn videos. Instead, aside from a few standout stars on the subject like Heather Brooke, the girl tends to pull away too soon and for too long in order to "show" the viewer that the man is cumming and, at most, might only lick some of it off her fist to swallow or something like that. That is, in the unfortunately rare occasions when the porn actor isn't reduced to wanking himself off into her mouth. Then, more often than not, the girl still pushes some or most of that cum out in order to "show" the viewer.

No, I would say Cumming On Face (COF) is probably the fairly recent trend that has been influenced by exposure to porn, not ordinary swallowing at the end. And THAT was probably developed in porn in order to accomplish what I was saying about "showing" the man cumming, the money shot.

If you don't think the "knowing" ahead of time that your girl will simply quickly and efficiently swallow that teaspoon of fluid instead of spitting it out enhances the experience immeasurably and that spitting it out runs a real risk of spoiling it, try a turnaround version of it with your lady. Next couple of times you engage in DATY, soon after she has her orgasm, pull away and spit out whatever fluid has emerged from her into a tissue. Or, better yet, stand up, hurry over to the nearest sink and take a good long time to spit, rinse, spit, rinse and repeat to make sure none of it is inadvertently swallowed. I'm betting by the third time your lady has been made aware that you apparently are so revolted by the product of her body that you otherwise seem to be intent on making happen with your mouth that you must get rid of it quickly rather than simply swallow it, you won't be giving her many more orgasms that way.

The only one of the current better looking day shift girls that I have been with is Minh, who I see has recently colored her very long hair to a somewhat light reddish hue. Minh (that was the spelling she gave me years ago. I don't think she is the same as "Mint" mentioned elsewhere since the other details don't seem to match) is no doubt the most often chosen girl at Kasalong Bar, has been since she arrived there soon after it first opened. I wouldn't be surprised if she is the most often chosen girl in any BJ Bar anywhere in Thailand. One could easily pass by Kasalong Bar during the day many times and not even know she works there because she is the one girl most likely to be kept busy inside. She also provides FS. Have no idea what size cock she is up for these days. Actually, I have never heard of a Kasalong Bar girl who does not provide FS too unless she is on her period. But maybe there have been some working there lately. I don't know Yo so I don't know how Minh compares. I wouldn't say Minh is "skinny", but is of normal weight proportional to her height. She must be about 23 years old now unless she was lying about being 20 years old 3 years ago when I first met her at Kasalong Bar. LOL.[/QUOTE]I would bet it's the same girl I saw but she just lied about how long she had worked there for. She may have even started when she was 18 but had to lie for obvious reasons. I did not ask her how to spell her name. It sounds like Mint or Min like I said. Too similar to not be the same girl as there is maybe only 1 other girl there that is doable but didn't take her the last time I passed by. Anyways Syggs, if there are 2 then for 1,700 Baht, you can't go wrong with either one, but I suspect they are one in the same. Given the fact she lies to her Thai boyfriend about working there, I have no doubt in my mind she lies to customers.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2094239]The only one of the current better looking day shift girls that I have been with is Minh, who I see has recently colored her very long hair to a somewhat light reddish hue. Minh (that was the spelling she gave me years ago. I don't think she is the same as "Mint" mentioned elsewhere since the other details don't seem to match) is no doubt the most often chosen girl at Kasalong Bar, has been since she arrived there soon after it first opened.[/QUOTE]CrazyH had two girls name Min a few years back. One with a silent T (I. E. Mint) and one without the T. Confusing. Both are quite common in Thailand. Mint is a borrowed English word obviously. Almost all Thai words ending in a double consonant, the second one becomes silent. So Benz sounds like Ben. Mint sounds like Min. Not sure what adding an H to the end is supposed to do. Minh looks more like a Cambodian or Korean name.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2094269]I would bet it's the same girl I saw but she just lied about how long she had worked there for. She may have even started when she was 18 but had to lie for obvious reasons. I did not ask her how to spell her name. It sounds like Mint or Min like I said. Too similar to not be the same girl as there is maybe only 1 other girl there that is doable but didn't take her the last time I passed by. Anyways Syggs, if there are 2 then for 1,700 Baht, you can't go wrong with either one, but I suspect they are one in the same. Given the fact she lies to her Thai boyfriend about working there, I have no doubt in my mind she lies to customers.[/QUOTE]She very well could be the same. When I first read your quoted report before I sensed that you were very impressed by her and immediately assumed you were talking about Minh. But there have been girls named "Mint" working in the BJ Bars off and on too. One in particular was highly touted on the message boards, stopped working for a while, might have returned. Minh is not very fluent in English. Has a lovely face that sometimes shows evidence of mild acne depending on the time of month but judicial use of make-up hides it pretty well.

Imo, she would definitely be among the top two girls working the dayshift in terms of looks, but I have seen another 2-3 girls off and on who I consider "doable". Not exactly possible to say only two "doable" girls working there unless you are certain you saw every girl in their line up regardless of their being on holiday, out sick or busy in a ST room with a customer or two.

Walked by Thermae at about 22:00. They were closed but about 60 girls were on the steps, landings, and sidewalk. Many were the same girls that were working inside the prior night. Nice selection.

Moved on to Soi Cowboy. I don't know that area well enough to understand what is typical, but this was odd. Crazy House was packed near the door but girls were wearing clothes and no alcohol was being sold. The girls outside the various bars were pulling me in, as expected. But as soon as I got through the doors they explained their no beer before midnight rule. OK, I understand. The odd part came when I asked about bar fine for a girl and she told me she would not go on a bar fine until after midnight. By the time midnight came, it was raining hard and she didn't want to deal with the rain before arriving at the taxi. Probably the truth was she was having 2nd thoughts about the 2500 baht deal we arranged. Or perhaps she lied to me when she said she loved me. Imagine that, a Thai bar girl telling a lie to a farang customer.

Jogged back to Thermae and found about 10 available girls under cover from the rain. Cut a 1500 baht deal with a friendly one. Her performance was dismal and I won't repeat.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2093899]How can you talk or even enjoy being in there without earplugs? You would think that they would play seductive romantic music. That would help turn you on. I mentioned it to a waitress and she told me, "you can leave". So I left.
RL.[/QUOTE]I agree with Robert. The music is bloody awful. Hard to believe that people like this kind of rubbish. Although the music is crap (if you want to call it music) the girls make up for it. In fact I don't even hear it after a while.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2093931]I had a girl at Billboard try that same scam on me. But I agree that CH is the worst place for that and pretty much every girl in the place tries that scam. CH and Billboard are the only 2 places I've seen girls try that dishonest scam though. Most bars aren't that unethical.[/QUOTE]With Billboard and CH being my two most preferable bars I usually ask them what they want to drink. If they ask me for a T&see it will depend on my mood whether I allow them to have two drinks or not but the times I didn't allow to let them have two drinks it never happened that they walked off.

Last month I sat down in Shark and one of the girls I went LT with the night before just came over and sat next to me, telling me that she's coming back right away after going first on stage for some reason which I didn't care about. 5 Minutes later all in a sudden there's a shot of Tequila on my little table so I asked the waitress / mamasan for who that was. Needles to say it was my LT girl who told the waitress to bring her the drink. Now I don't mind a sort of gutsy move like that so after a while she came and sit down next to me and I told her that next time she better be asking for it first. After my speech she asked me to have a coke to go along with the Tequila which I declined. As the waitress was surprised I ventilated my complaint which she seemingly understood. No mood changes whatsoever nor did I took her out for LT. She was way too drunk and didn't wanted to have my room smell like vomit again. LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2094043]I believe in Billboard that girls from the bubble bath area will not come and sit with you until you buy them at least two drinks. These are rules. So that is a little different, but I like it less as is not optional.[/QUOTE]Now that you mention it I remember when I sat down in BB last month that, when I wanted to pick a girl from the stage to come and sit next to me, the waiter told me that I will have to pay for 2 LD. I asked him why that was the case and he showed me some sort of a laminated A4 paper where it was written down. Can't remember exactly what was written but basically you pay 2 LD for girls that are on stage which is any stage. Not certain anymore if that would only be during a certain time as I recall somebody saying to me that they're doing it in the early hours when it's not that busy yet.

Anyway, I just waited until she finished on stage and she came over for a drink. She only chose one drink by the way. An orange juice as per usual. Great looking girl for my taste. Was even so polite to ask to remove my jeans out of the bathroom when I took her for LT a long time ago. When asking her why she mentioned that she doesn't wanted to have my jeans in the bathroom while she's using the toilet she told me that I would suspect her from stealing any money. Good girl with good attitude. At least for the time being. LOL.

[QUOTE=XXL;2094232]Uhm. "These compounds, and their salts, are used primarily for their bactericidal and fungicidal properties". "Parabens are active against a broad spectrum of microorganisms."

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraben[/URL]

Of course there's no 100% magic bullet but I think girls could do better than insist on condom changes. Unless you also agree they should only perform CBJs.[/QUOTE]Doesn't work against E. Coli which is nasty if it gets into the vagina.

[URL]http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02772248.2017.1300905[/URL]

Come on man, do you really think any woman wants a shitty condom in her vagina?

[QUOTE=XXL;2094232]Uhm. "These compounds, and their salts, are used primarily for their bactericidal and fungicidal properties". "Parabens are active against a broad spectrum of microorganisms."

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraben[/URL]

Of course there's no 100% magic bullet but I think girls could do better than insist on condom changes.[/QUOTE]Hum most dangerous STDs people are worried about are viral related, not bacterial related.

Your lube is not going to protect a girl against hepatitis or HIV. Yet going from 1 girl's vagina to another with a bit of blood from the previous girl does create a serious risk for the second one.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2094345]Hum most dangerous STDs people are worried about are viral related, not bacterial related.

Your lube is not going to protect a girl against hepatitis or HIV. Yet going from 1 girl's vagina to another with a bit of blood from the previous girl does create a serious risk for the second one.[/QUOTE]Actually with multi-drug resistant gonorrhea and mycoplasma genitalium your real worries are from bacteria. And the latter is quite easily passed orally. Have a buddy now who is on his 4th round of anti-biotics and still can't eradicate it. And the infectious disease specialist told him that it was spreading rapidly in SE Asia. I've never been worried about HIV, but these two really have my attention.

Was in Silom area today and went past SOL and saw one not so bad looking girl there. Took a beer at Harlem bar before I got to the deed, and what happens?? Another guy took her. So I went for a walk and when I came back she was available. Name was Sai and she did her job in a good way. I kinda like that sleezy place sometimes. .

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2094463]Actually with multi-drug resistant gonorrhea and mycoplasma genitalium your real worries are from bacteria. And the latter is quite easily passed orally. Have a buddy now who is on his 4th round of anti-biotics and still can't eradicate it. And the infectious disease specialist told him that it was spreading rapidly in SE Asia. I've never been worried about HIV, but these two really have my attention.[/QUOTE]So no more blowjobs without condom?? Take it the safe way!!

[QUOTE=DextroSol;2094495]So no more blowjobs without condom?? Take it the safe way!![/QUOTE]Nope, will still get BBBJ. Risky? Yep, but FFS can't remove all the pleasure from the hobby.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2094463]Actually with multi-drug resistant gonorrhea and mycoplasma genitalium your real worries are from bacteria. And the latter is quite easily passed orally. Have a buddy now who is on his 4th round of anti-biotics and still can't eradicate it. And the infectious disease specialist told him that it was spreading rapidly in SE Asia. I've never been worried about HIV, but these two really have my attention.[/QUOTE]Yow! I have not even heard of the later one so you got my attention, being a DATY specialist. I will certainly read up on that now. I also agree that, while it is very hard to catch HIV, it is also extremely easy to catch some others, so the focus on HIV maybe a little bit misplaced. Incidence of new HIV infections in Thailand has been on the decline for many years. So it is much less likely to catch than say 17 years ago. Incidence of some others may be on the rise.

Yup, second that. I'm also on antibiotics again. Same like during my last visit. Must be chlamydia again looking at incubation time and discharge. Really nasty; last time took me the whole 7 days to get away, and that time I had a Thai GF and maybe even passed it to her. This time didn't even catch it from a working girl but a freebie. Really nasty these bacteria, and might ruin your whole trip.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2094741]Yup, second that. I'm also on antibiotics again. Same like during my last visit. Must be chlamydia again looking at incubation time and discharge. Really nasty; last time took me the whole 7 days to get away, and that time I had a Thai GF and maybe even passed it to her. This time didn't even catch it from a working girl but a freebie. Really nasty these bacteria, and might ruin your whole trip.[/QUOTE]1st time I had chlamydia I was taking like 4 boxes of doxycycline before going to specialist who wrote me zithromax (strong really strong antibiotic). This cured it, but I never want to go to that experience again since I couldn't get a nights sleep for more then 30 mins straight (painful erections and when you sleep, he wakes) . Since then I had a couple of chlamydia infections but nothing even remote to that one. I have zithromax ready at hand at 1st even remote sign (had 2 times infection without clear symptoms) . I now know the remote signs and I use condom for anything but oral, but even then it has happened in the heat of the moment (I mean condom) .

Got that urge again and headed over to T-Det on Saphan Kwai. This time it was 2:30 AM and the place was shutting down but they still let me in. There were a few customers lingering around but mostly the girls were sitting and chatting while getting changed. Yes, you heard that right. They were changing right inside the club area not in the change rooms. I spotted a real stunner with dyed blond hair, her Facebook photos attached. Immediately called the momason over to arrange the deal. Anyways, this girl would not go back to my place but agreed to use the ST hotel across the road. For reference, the ST room fee is included when you pay the bar the 2,500. In the room, mediocre blow job but that's not what I was there for. I wanted to tap that ass. I flipped her over and started with DATY. At first she was saying Maow which in Thai means no or don't want so I slowed my tongue strokes down and licked her slowly from top to bottom. This calmed her down and before I knew it, she was moving her pelvis up and down to match my tongue strokes. This kept up until she came violently. Then I mounted her in mish, no mention of a condom, but she started to complain about the pain from my dick. I grabbed some lube and flipped her over for some glorious doggy style action where I finished. What an ass on this girl. Her name was Tina photos attached from her Facebook as we still keep in touch. One with blonde hair all done up Japanese style cosplay and one more natural with a different hair style and colour. Not a GFE or PSE but I was just happy to tap such a gorgeous and sexy lady.

Arrived home after my session still feeling horny at about 4 AM so I booked Venus on Smooci. She is listed with My Princess Bangkok and New Bangkok escorts. Photos attached from both their sites and both linking to Smooci. I'm sure this is the same agency with two sites and two different names. Her rating was 3. 2 or 3. 8 and normally this might be a red flag but I'm normally good with these types of girls. This was my 3rd time booking through Smooci and the service this time was excellent. The agency called me 3 times and also confirmed by SMS multiple times. When Venus arrived, I was happy with her looks and body. After a shared shower we moved to the bed. Shower was mechanical with no BJ, she just cleaned me up. Warning sign. We spoke together in Thai and then she started giving me a BBBJ, asking me before if I wanted condom or not. This didn't last too long as I wanted to taste that nice pussy. I flipped her over and tried all my techniques but she would not cum. At one point I thought she was almost there but I think it was some bad acting. After giving up, I moved to enter her in mish after being reminded of the comdom multiple times. I use a Japanese brand in a silver box with 003 written on the box with black letters. They are very thin as I can't cum with other brands. After putting on the condom, I tried to enter her but she stopped me. She started inspecting the condom from top to bottom. This lasted for a good 5 minutes, which really ruined the mood. Mish position was getting boring as I was just turned off by the condom fiasco so I flipped her over and really fucked her hard in doggy until finish. The two hours was no where near up but she wanted to go and I let her. Now I understand why her rating was lower than most of the girls. Mechanical, worried, and never stays the full session. Girls can be cautious about condoms and such, this is no problem. But when we call an escort, we want the session to be enjoyable and we want the girl to at least pretend she's having a good time and enjoys her job. There are ways to do this kind of stuff and still make the customer feel like you enjoy your job. On a side note. This girl was so serious and uptight, she asked me to book her a taxi on Grab. As I booked the taxi I said please wait as no driver has answered yet. After I booked the taxi, 2 showed up asking for me downstairs. She had also booked one without saying. Just happy to get her out. Damage was 3,000 Baht. No tip. Must pay before the session begins.

By this time it was close to morning. I had a quick meeting from 9-10 amd then I planned to visit Snow White. I arrived at 11:00 to find only 2 ladies. Audi, who was busy with a customer and Aom. Please see the link for the newbies. [URL]http://snowwhitesoi26.com/ladies.html[/URL].
I was in the mood for a real PSE after my previous 2 sessions and Aom did not disappoint. Nice BJ in shower and on the bed for non stop PSE action with rimming, slurpy BBJ, DATY, and multiple positions. I'm not a fan of A+ so I can't comment on that. After my 1st pop she gave a decent massage and then moved back on top of me for round 2. Oops forgot the comdom for round 2. My bad. I could not manage a second pop with her since I had managed 3 pops already since 2:30 AM. Damage paid directly to Aom, the lady after my session. Damage was 2,200 plus 800 Baht tip.

I had been to BKK few days back. First day went to the alley near soi 7 where Eden is. Entered the place opposite foot massage shop. A girl named Nam took my hands. She was young, sexy and gave good service. Though there was tub, no action in tub and no massage. Went for sex straight. She was very active cooperative and good mannered. Was open to all. Also offered anal for extra charges. I did not quote for that. She said she can also come to hotel for extra fees. The house was THB 1500 + 500 to be paid to the girl directly. I went at 2 pm and only few girls were there. The place lacks any ambiance, basic facilities and basic cleanliness only. But the girl was good.

It is a real five star world with extravagant lavish facilities and great ambience from huge lobby to play rooms. The girls display at the center of lobby is real eye candy. Worth to see such a bevy of beauties.

Lot of papasans and mamasans like executies in a 5* star hotel. When we enter one papa san attends us and we will be seated in plush sofas. Then they give girls rate menu. Stars from 9600 to 15000 THB.

Live music is played in the lobby and drinks at exorbitant prices. I took a girl of 9600. She was young around 20 years old, beautiful and with slender body. Fluent English. The room is very plush. Action in Jacuzzi for long followed by great sex on bed. Bare back BJ DATY and all except anal. A real pleasant service. Papasan asks for tip, like wise lady who serve expensive water and soft drinks in the room. Girl also asked for tip, gave 500 for her extra good attitude. Though very expensive, once in a life time visit is OK.

I went to Chrome bar opposite Eden club. There were about 7 girls available. I took girl named Nuchs (no: 55) who was good looking and gave good smile. Aged around 25 years she was very cooperative and had a really customer friendly attitude. There it is a type of nuru massage followed by full service. Action is on a big plastic bed place on the floor. After washing she apply a type of gel on our body and hers. Gives massage with her breast, pussy and ass,. Sex was also very good with her. She spoke english also. House charge is 2000 THB. She said she will get 1000 out of that. She did not ask for any tip after the deed. But gave her 500 THB for being such a very good friendly girl. Anybody visit BKK, try that girl Nuch. You will not be disappointed.

Mamasan name is Bheem. Owners of Chrome bar and Wood bar (opposite) are same, she said. Nuchs duty time is 11 am to 11 pm. She is open to all except DFK and anal.

Took a stroll around Nana / Asok, and it was fairly quiet around midnight (perhaps because it was a Sunday). I tried going to Thermae first, as I'd never been, but it was closed by the time I got there, I think. I'm still not 100% sure where it is as I didn't see anything called Thermae, but there was a hotel where there were a ton of "girls" milling about outside and just sitting around.

It appeared to be about 90% ladyboys, but it's really hard to tell sometimes. A few of the girls were very pretty and looked almost Japanese-- are these real girls?

Did not make it all the way to Nana Plaza, decided to turn back to Soi Cowboy. As I got to the entrance of the soi, a cute bargirl caught my eye at one of the tiny street bars. Had a drink and chatted a bit, both bar girls behind the counter were cute, one looked almost middle eastern / indian, and she had good english (Jenny, I think). The other was more traditional Isaan Thai looking, and more lively (could not catch her name, something like Nut? Well, she wanted to me to barfine her and take her to a club (Insanity). I thought, why not, let's try something new. Only 500 barfine.

We hopped in a car, and apparently didn't have to pay because they all know her. While waiting at a light suddenly changed to Holiday Inn. Entered a club where all the staff knew her. 300 pp entrance including one beer / drink. Pretty empty around 1:30 when we arrived, but more people showed up later. A mix of what appeared to be real girls and ladyboys as coyote dancers. Lots of drunk people, and loud club music. My girl loved dancing and it showed-- felt like going out with a date, lots of grinding, some kissing, hands everywhere.

Staff kept coming around with 100 thb shots of "tequila" (tasted more like rum, and I only did one). They of course want you to buy a round for the staff. So each time 3-4 shots. I know I was getting played a bit but was having fun so why not. My girl was really small, and skinny, but I was 95% sure she was a she and she was also quite cute to me with a spinner figure. We headed out and to my hotel, but this is where things went downhill. We never discussed anything for ST or LT or anything, but I was planning on leaving her 2 K at least if we did the deed.

When we got back, I took a quick rinse, and when I got out of the bathroom, she was nearly passed out and moaning about being drunk and dizzy. Get her some water, but she refuses to drink, and I can only understand 40% of what she says anyway without being drunk LOL. She eventually runs into the bathroom, I think to throw up, and refuses to come out-- at this point it's nearing 4 am and I say through the door that she should just take a nap and she'll feel better. More indecipherable babbling. I certainly wasn't thinking about doing anything with her at this point, just wanted her to come out and sleep it off-- but she stayed in the bathroom all night while I slept on the bed (after locking up my wallet LOL).

Morning comes, and she rushes out of the bathroom, grabs her stuff, and is gone like that (all the while babbling to herself). Still scratching my head on that one. Total damage for the night, 3 k and nothing really to show but a funny story (1 k at the counter bar, 2 k at the club). My fault for letting her drink too much.

So more experienced members in BKK-- is she a girl that I can takeout for ST? What was the deal with going to the club? Kickback? Helping her friends who are staff?

At the counter where she worked, there were about 6-10 girls who were clearly for takeout, but most of them were definitely ladyboys. She also mentioned to me on the way to the club that she is offended that so many people ask her if she's a ladyboy LOL.

Maybe I'll try to find her again one of these nights.

We went to Nana first. The place did not have that vibe and welcoming attitude. So went to Soi Cowboy. It was really fun and frolic there. On two nights we spend more time in Dolls House. Though the girls were not great looking but just average they were very friendly. Two of the girls who sat on my lap allowed fingering for long until their next dance session. After midnight there was a lesbian show by two girls.

Many of the ladies were dancing full nude. There was nothing sort of billing scam there. Once the LD and our drinks are served they give item wise bill. So easy to check. We also went Baccara. Lot of pussy and ass shown. At Deja vU with scanty panties, at Kiss they wore full panties. At Suziewong too ugly girls and boring sex shows. At Shark they did not issue item wise bill and instead gave a consolidated bill for us and LD. That was a scam. The whole street has a charm and welcoming ambiance and not like NP. We almost spend 5 hours each day at visiting different bars.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2095025]Took a stroll around Nana / Asok, and it was fairly quiet around midnight (perhaps because it was a Sunday). I tried going to Thermae first, as I'd never been, but it was closed by the time I got there, I think. I'm still not 100% sure where it is as I didn't see anything called Thermae, but there was a hotel where there were a ton of "girls" milling about outside and just sitting around.

[/QUOTE]Strange story, hope you have better luck next time!! About Thermae, if you have never been there, it's easy to find. It is in the bottom of Hotel Ruamchitt between soi 13 and 15, closer to soi 15. There is always a crowd of FL: s waiting in the sidewalk and outside the hotel. When you turn to the hotel, Thermae is to the right downstairs. They close at 1 AM. I went in yesterday, and I estimate it to be somewhere between 150-200 ladies inside standing tight around the walls and around the center bar disk. What supriced me was there was so many very young looking girls. 99 % of the people there were young to middle age Korean guys.

[QUOTE=StudFarm;2095014]It is a real five star world with extravagant lavish facilities and great ambience from huge lobby to play rooms. The girls display at the center of lobby is real eye candy. Worth to see such a bevy of beauties.

Lot of papasans and mamasans like executies in a 5* star hotel. When we enter one papa san attends us and we will be seated in plush sofas. Then they give girls rate menu. Stars from 9600 to 15000 THB.

Live music is played in the lobby and drinks at exorbitant prices. I took a girl of 9600. She was young around 20 years old, beautiful and with slender body. Fluent English. The room is very plush. Action in Jacuzzi for long followed by great sex on bed. Bare back BJ DATY and all except anal. A real pleasant service. Papasan asks for tip, like wise lady who serve expensive water and soft drinks in the room. Girl also asked for tip, gave 500 for her extra good attitude. Though very expensive, once in a life time visit is OK.[/QUOTE]My friend, I'm glad you had a good time but you were dooped! The Lord does not start at 9,600. They showed you a fake price list with inflated rates. Either because of the way you looked or you nationality. I can't be sure on what the real reason was, I'm just speculating. I have been to The lord countless times and it always starts around 5,000 Baht and goes up from there. And yes, I fall under the category of white Caucasian. The stereotype the Ratchada parlours have is to charge the white Caucasian men a 500 Baht surcharge but because I start off by speaking Thai, I can normally avoid that. For some reason, I always got the Asian punter process shown to be with the exception of The old Amsterdam. The reason for this is the girls want an extra 500 because they are dick scared and the farang men are often very picky and high maintenance. These are not my words but the words of a few of the girls I spoke with during our session.

I don't know what it is with Billboard but it's the only Go go I have had continuous issues at. Always problems and miscommunications. This time I chose Gift # 131 from the Jacuzzi side. A very young looking 31 year old with an ass to die for for. There were plenty of younger girls there but for some reason, I wanted her. Everything started off great. Bought her a couple of LDs and we fooled around dancing a bit. She seemed like a fun girl. I then asked if she wanted to go with me and she said yes. I turned to the server and asked about the bar fine. Mind you it was about 2:45 AM at the time. The server said I lay the bar fine to the lady. This was news to me because In my 6 years in BKK, this has never been the case. I went with the flow and bought her a few more drinks and then asked her to go change. The bar then shut down and they asked me to wait outside for the lady. When she came out, we talked about getting a taxi back to my place. After arriving at my home, she refused to come out of the taxi. She said next time. I was like what? But too drunk to care so just left. Anyways, with their demands of a two LD minimum, even when they know I will spend more and stuff like this, I think my billboard days are over. The other 99.9% of the Go go bars in the city are easy to navigate and I never have any of the issues I have ever had at this place. Yes the girls are hot and most are well under 30 years old but it's just not worth the hassle and the aggravation of all their game playing and awkwardness regarding the drinks and barfines.

Hi guys,

Are these still banned, at least last summer difficult to find.

Back at BKK soon and last time didn't find gel anywhere.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2095122]I don't know what it is with Billboard but it's the only Go go I have had continuous issues at. Always problems and miscommunications. This time I chose Gift # 131 from the Jacuzzi side. A very young looking 31 year old with an ass to die for for. There were plenty of younger girls there but for some reason, I wanted her. Everything started off great. Bought her a couple of LDs and we fooled around dancing a bit. She seemed like a fun girl. I then asked if she wanted to go with me and she said yes. I turned to the server and asked about the bar fine. Mind you it was about 2:45 AM at the time. The server said I lay the bar fine to the lady. This was news to me because In my 6 years in BKK, this has never been the case. I went with the flow and bought her a few more drinks and then asked her to go change. The bar then shut down and they asked me to wait outside for the lady. When she came out, we talked about getting a taxi back to my place. After arriving at my home, she refused to come out of the taxi. She said next time. I was like what? But too drunk to care so just left. Anyways, with their demands of a two LD minimum, even when they know I will spend more and stuff like this, I think my billboard days are over. The other 99.9% of the Go go bars in the city are easy to navigate and I never have any of the issues I have ever had at this place. Yes the girls are hot and most are well under 30 years old but it's just not worth the hassle and the aggravation of all their game playing and awkwardness regarding the drinks and barfines.[/QUOTE]Does she have white skin?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2095137]Does she have white skin?[/QUOTE]More white than most of the ladies working there and that's why I chose her. I would not say as white as some of the Ratchada massage girls.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2095122]I don't know what it is with Billboard but it's the only Go go I have had continuous issues at. Always problems and miscommunications. This time I chose Gift # 131 from the Jacuzzi side. A very young looking 31 year old with an ass to die for for. There were plenty of younger girls there but for some reason, I wanted her. Everything started off great. Bought her a couple of LDs and we fooled around dancing a bit. She seemed like a fun girl. I then asked if she wanted to go with me and she said yes. I turned to the server and asked about the bar fine. Mind you it was about 2:45 AM at the time. The server said I lay the bar fine to the lady. This was news to me because In my 6 years in BKK, this has never been the case. I went with the flow and bought her a few more drinks and then asked her to go change. The bar then shut down and they asked me to wait outside for the lady. When she came out, we talked about getting a taxi back to my place. After arriving at my home, she refused to come out of the taxi. She said next time. I was like what? But too drunk to care so just left. Anyways, with their demands of a two LD minimum, even when they know I will spend more and stuff like this, I think my billboard days are over. The other 99.9% of the Go go bars in the city are easy to navigate and I never have any of the issues I have ever had at this place. Yes the girls are hot and most are well under 30 years old but it's just not worth the hassle and the aggravation of all their game playing and awkwardness regarding the drinks and barfines.[/QUOTE]Did you discuss anything at all in the taxi that made her change her mind?

I don't really understand about the BF. Did you actually pay it to anyone? I am guessing this girl had something she wanted to go to at this time of night (who knows what. Maybe a birthday party) and that she possibly did not intend to go with you at all in reality. Unless there was some reason to make her change her mind.

I always give BFs to the girl. She in turn gives it to the mamasan or whoever I don't care. Sometimes the girl returns with change. At CH the mamasan usually returns with change because she wants a tip. Actually in Crazy H these days, the mamasan usually comes back with a BF bill of 700 to have you sign it, and then returns a second time with the change. All charges have a slip for customer to sign to avoid money disputes that were frequent in former times. It is possible to still calculate the bill wrong with a calculator. Fortunately I can quickly add in my head (unlike most Thais) so I know what the bill should be.

I think it is risky to get bargirls so late at night. They can be a bit drunk, just as one possible problem, or are just ready to go home. I think it is much better to have a girl BFed by 9. 30 PM. I recall a fabulous girl from CH who I took early, and she was very happy (and performed good as well as stunning) because she could then head off to a party in Pattaya with money in hand much earlier than she was expecting to be able to go.

I have only BFed one girl at Billboard (that I can remember) and she was great. Repeated a few times. Was on the carousel. However I recognise I got lucky. She was extremely lovey dovey in the bar, so chemistry was working. Long gone and has Farang BF now no doubt.

From Twisters, a mixed bag. One good girl gone, and two crappy girls. Had 2 good girls from Mercury both gone and I see they have LBs there instead now.
From Spankies, one good girl and one very bad.

So it's not easy in Nana Plaza to find the good girls. You really have to look for a very good chemistry in the bar, and don't bother if there is the slightest sign of reluctance in any way. Guys would know these things already of course. I just agree it is not easy. I rarely take bargirls on a first meeting any more. It's just too risky. All of my current bargirls were never taken the first time I met them. A girl has to be a super stunner for me to risk it on first meeting these days. Even then I need to feel very special chemistry, I think. I never get drunk first as that may spoil my stubbornness and care in selection.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2095008]Got that urge again and headed over to T-Det on Saphan Kwai. This time it was 2:30 AM and the place was shutting down but they still let me in. There were a few customers lingering around but mostly the girls were sitting and chatting while getting changed. Yes, you heard that right. They were changing right inside the club area not in the change rooms. I spotted a real stunner with dyed blond hair, her Facebook photos attached. Immediately called the momason over to arrange the deal. Anyways, this girl would not go back to my place but agreed to use the ST hotel across the road. For reference, the ST room fee is included when you pay the bar the 2,500. In the room, mediocre blow job but that's not what I was there for. I wanted to tap that ass. I flipped her over and started with DATY. At first she was saying Maow which in Thai means no or don't want so I slowed my tongue strokes down and licked her slowly from top to bottom. This calmed her down and before I knew it, she was moving her pelvis up and down to match my tongue strokes. This kept up until she came violently. Then I mounted her in mish, no mention of a condom, but she started to complain about the pain from my dick. I grabbed some lube and flipped her over for some glorious doggy style action where I finished. What an ass on this girl. Her name was Tina photos attached from her Facebook as we still keep in touch. One with blonde hair all done up Japanese style cosplay and one more natural with a different hair style and colour. Not a GFE or PSE but I was just happy to tap such a gorgeous and sexy lady.[/QUOTE]I have just received a few requests for Tina's Facebook by PM. I want to be clear that if I don't know you from your extensive contributions to the Thailand forum or you have a proven history of massive contributions on another thread that impresses the shit out of me, I will not share any of the ladies contact info with you. Please don't bother sending the request. Thank you and I hope you all understand. I provide enough information for most people to track down the ladies in my posts on their own. For example, in my post about Tina, I provided her photo with 2 hair colours, name of the bar, and the location of the bar. That should be enough.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2095122]After arriving at my home, she refused to come out of the taxi. She said next time. I was like what? But too drunk to care so just left.[/QUOTE]You should report that to the Billboard manager / mamasan, and ask for your BF reimbursment.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;2095187]You should report that to the Billboard manager / mamasan, and ask for your BF reimbursment.[/QUOTE]The big fat mamasan in Billboard is a crook. Fired from at least two bars that I know of, Crazy H, and Mercury.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2095177]Did you discuss anything at all in the taxi that made her change her mind? I don't really understand about the BF. Did you actually pay it to anyone? [/QUOTE]That's the thing. I never paid any bar fine. I asked her if she wanted to go with me. The same question I ask every other lady I want to bar fine at every other Go go I have went to. I told the server I wanted to bar fine her and she said pay the girl directly outside. I thought this was the strangest thing but went with the flow because of the late hour. The other places all give me a bill for the Bar fine or at least wrote it down on a piece of paper. Sometimes I give it to the staff or momasan and other times gove it to the girl inside the club and she lays the bar, or it is included on the bill with my drinks to pay. Never this half ass bullshit I always get from Billboard.

[QUOTE=Sezze;2094952]1st time I had chlamydia I was taking like 4 boxes of doxycycline before going to specialist who wrote me zithromax (strong really strong antibiotic). This cured it, but I never want to go to that experience again since I couldn't get a nights sleep for more then 30 mins straight (painful erections and when you sleep, he wakes) . Since then I had a couple of chlamydia infections but nothing even remote to that one. I have zithromax ready at hand at 1st even remote sign (had 2 times infection without clear symptoms) . I now know the remote signs and I use condom for anything but oral, but even then it has happened in the heat of the moment (I mean condom) .[/QUOTE]There's two antibiotic treatments available: one is taking 100 MG of Doxycycline twice daily for seven days, the other taking 1000 MG (1 g) of Azithromycin (which is sold in Thailand as Zithromax) as a single dose. While both are supposed to do the job, research actually found a tiny higher failure rate in the Azithromycin-treatment (not much though; see here: [URL]http://www.jwatch.org/na39903/2015/12/23/azithromycin-or-doxycycline-chlamydia-trachomatis[/URL]). Funny enough, last time I had it, the doctor here prescribed both, the single dose of 1 g Azithromycin and on top of that Doxycycline for seven days. This time, I didn't go to see a doctor, but prescribed myself the single dose of 1 g Azithromycin myself and hope it'll work. However, looking at how long it took last time, and reading about other cases where it didn't go away for even longer, and reading about potential resistance against these antibiotics, I'm pretty scared about it. It sucks because I love bareback. Surprisingly, when I was living here ten years ago, I fucked bareback for almost five years and only got Gonorrhea and genital warts once, now Chlamydia twice within just a year. Seems like that shit is spreading more.

Hi! What's now the best place to convert Euro notes to Baht in BKK? Thanks.

[QUOTE=StudFarm;2095024]
Mamasan name is Bheem. Owners of Chrome bar and Wood bar (opposite) are same, she said. Nuchs duty time is 11 am to 11 pm. She is open to all except DFK and anal.[/QUOTE]Nuchs looks a little bit more than 25. LOL I could be wrong. My GF looks great at nearly 40. On website I would choose number 9 as she looks more natural instead of doll faced like many others. However I also prefer girls that are a "barrel of laughs" so maybe she would be too serious.

Mamasan could be naugthy for discussing the ownership. Smoke and mirrors. LOL However I will be very surprised if owners are not the same as Annies (or almost identical shareholders).

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;2095194]Hi! What's now the best place to convert Euro notes to Baht in BKK? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Please post this question in the General thread or check out another forum not related to this hobby. There are plenty of them on the internet with one obvious one called Thai Visa dot com.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2095190]That's the thing. I never paid any bar fine. I asked her if she wanted to go with me. The same question I ask every other lady I want to bar fine at every other Go go I have went to. I told the server I wanted to bar fine her and she said pay the girl directly outside. I thought this was the strangest thing but went with the flow because of the late hour. The other places all give me a bill for the Bar fine or at least wrote it down on a piece of paper. Sometimes I give it to the staff or momasan and other times gove it to the girl inside the club and she lays the bar, or it is included on the bill with my drinks to pay. Never this half ass bullshit I always get from Billboard.[/QUOTE]I guess the bar was officially closed, and therefore a BF could not be taken directly. The bar paperwork all done. Not my favourite bar by any means. It is very dark in there. They prefer you cannot see the girls too clearly except in the bath suds area. I did buy a bath girl her two drinks once but chemistry wasn't good enough to take her, despite really great tits.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2095184]I have just received a few requests for Tina's Facebook by PM. I want to be clear that if I don't know you from your extensive contributions to the Thailand forum or you have a proven history of massive contributions on another thread that impresses the shit out of me, I will not share any of the ladies contact info with you. Please don't bother sending the request. Thank you and I hope you all understand. I provide enough information for most people to track down the ladies in my posts on their own. For example, in my post about Tina, I provided her photo with 2 hair colours, name of the bar, and the location of the bar. That should be enough.[/QUOTE]Gee, I wonder what it was about your description of the session you had with Tina or her photos that triggered so much unusually keen PM interest in hooking up with her. Maybe it was the "Not a GFE or PSE" comment. Or maybe it's the eyeglasses. LOL. Hmm.

BTW, I had a very long run of bad experiences with Billboard girls too, mentioned it here a few times, and only hung in there and kept trying every couple of months or so out of stubborn curiosity to see just how many go-go dancers from the same club I could barfine in a row and not even get off. I think I got to about 9 from there, but not exactly in a row since I vaguely recall having one middling finish with one of them sometime after #5 or so.

However, suddenly something changed and I have managed to have 4-5 pretty good and very satisfying experiences with as many different Billboard girls lately, including a sexy bathtub honey. Not totally sure what changed any more than I understood why that lousy run went on for so long. And I am fully aware it could go back to another bad run again starting the next time I go there to shop for a girl.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;2095194]Hi! What's now the best place to convert Euro notes to Baht in BKK? Thanks.[/QUOTE]The best money changer is Superrich. They have various branches across Bangkok; you'll get the best rates at their main branch on Rajdamri Road opposite of Central World.

[QUOTE=DextroSol;2095047]Strange story, hope you have better luck next time!! About Thermae, if you have never been there, it's easy to find. It is in the bottom of Hotel Ruamchitt between soi 13 and 15, closer to soi 15. There is always a crowd of FL: s waiting in the sidewalk and outside the hotel. When you turn to the hotel, Thermae is to the right downstairs. They close at 1 AM. I went in yesterday, and I estimate it to be somewhere between 150-200 ladies inside standing tight around the walls and around the center bar disk. What supriced me was there was so many very young looking girls. 99 % of the people there were young to middle age Korean guys.[/QUOTE]Thanks for confirming-- Yes, that's the place where I saw lots of girls milling about outside, I guess since it was closed when I got there I didn't notice any sign for Thermae.

Question to other folks who know BKK better-- are the girls that work at the sidewalk bars outside Soi Cowboy available for ST generally? Or is it an "up to the girl" situation? As my girl I was able to barfine for 500 but I don't know what that should entail.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2095229]Thanks for confirming-- Yes, that's the place where I saw lots of girls milling about outside, I guess since it was closed when I got there I didn't notice any sign for Thermae.

Question to other folks who know BKK better-- are the girls that work at the sidewalk bars outside Soi Cowboy available for ST generally? Or is it an "up to the girl" situation? As my girl I was able to barfine for 500 but I don't know what that should entail.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure there is an obvious sign that says "Thermae". But then I have not needed to look for a sign for so long it might be right there and I have not paid attention to it. As you stand on the sidewalk and look up the steps to face the glass doors leading into the lobby of Ruamchitt Hotel more or less on the right and Bush Gardens restaurant on the left, Thermae is down a small set of steps on your right, more or less below those Ruamchitt Hotel glass doors. It might not have been closed and you didn't realize it since you didn't walk down those steps to try the door. Just because there were crowds of girls and ladyboys standing around outside of Thermae would not mean Thermae itself is closed.

And on your other question, I would say every girl you see working in the sidewalk bars outside Soi Cowboy or anywhere else you see one spring up in the area is available to be barfined for ST or LT unless that particular girl chooses not to for whatever reason, which is probably very rare. I suppose it is likely that a female owner or manager of one of those sidewalk bars might not be available in the same way a mamasan might not be available. But I have taken the proprietress of one of those sidewalk bars before too. She had been a bargirl herself at Som's Haven before getting the stake together to open one of those sidewalk bars. So she handed the keys and order slips to one of the other girls sitting at her bar and off we went.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2095229]
Question to other folks who know BKK better-- are the girls that work at the sidewalk bars outside Soi Cowboy available for ST generally? Or is it an "up to the girl" situation? As my girl I was able to barfine for 500 but I don't know what that should entail.[/QUOTE]If the girl is able to be barfined at the "cart bars" on the sidewalk, that should mean she is available for sex. The very first girl that really attracted me to stop at cart bar, was quite pretty, but was not available for BF. She had a regular job in 7 Eleven in Ratchada, and may well have had a BF too. I think almost every other girl or LB in the same bar was BFable. Of the cart bar girls I BFed, one slim one with several kids, was terrible on the bed, and one young one with great tits and little experience, was great on the bed. So a mixed bag. The one LB on that bar was very charming (LOL), however I did not want to try. I need pussy. I see that LB is now on one of the Escort sites.

Anyway, you simply ask if the girl is available for ST? Then they take you to a nearby ST Hotel typically or your Hotel if not too far away. You should have already been doing at least a bit of cuddling and maybe stealing a kiss or two first. If the girl is reticent, then may not be available or better not to take her.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;2095187]You should report that to the Billboard manager / mamasan, and ask for your BF reimbursment.[/QUOTE]Please read my post again. You will see I didn't pay any bar fine.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2095290]
And on your other question, I would say every girl you see working in the sidewalk bars outside Soi Cowboy or anywhere else you see one spring up in the area is available to be barfined for ST or LT unless that particular girl chooses not to for whatever reason, which is probably very rare. I suppose it is likely that a female owner or manager of one of those sidewalk bars might not be available in the same way a mamasan might not be available. But I have taken the proprietress of one of those sidewalk bars before too. She had been a bargirl herself at Som's Haven before getting the stake together to open one of those sidewalk bars. So she handed the keys and order slips to one of the other girls sitting at her bar and off we went.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2095409]If the girl is able to be barfined at the "cart bars" on the sidewalk, that should mean she is available for sex. The very first girl that really attracted me to stop at cart bar, was quite pretty, but was not available for BF. She had a regular job in 7 Eleven in Ratchada, and may well have had a BF too. I think almost every other girl or LB in the same bar was BFable. Of the cart bar girls I BFed, one slim one with several kids, was terrible on the bed, and one young one with great tits and little experience, was great on the bed. So a mixed bag. The one LB on that bar was very charming (LOL), however I did not want to try. I need pussy. I see that LB is now on one of the Escort sites.

Anyway, you simply ask if the girl is available for ST? Then they take you to a nearby ST Hotel typically or your Hotel if not too far away. You should have already been doing at least a bit of cuddling and maybe stealing a kiss or two first. If the girl is reticent, then may not be available or better not to take her.[/QUOTE]Thanks for confirming. Well, then I guess my mistake was letting this girl drink too much at the club. We were definitely vibing a bit first at the club, but I guess her small frame + two shots and three drinks was too much.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2095431]Thanks for confirming. Well, then I guess my mistake was letting this girl drink too much at the club. We were definitely vibing a bit first at the club, but I guess her small frame + two shots and three drinks was too much.[/QUOTE]BTW, something else that might be a point of interest regarding those portable sidewalk cart bars; for the most part the girls (or Ladyboys) sitting at those cart bars are freelancers who simply choose to sit at a particular bar because they can, because they like the location, because they like the proprietor or proprietress of that bar, are friends with them, know them from previous jobs, venues or whatever. They aren't exactly on a salary or have a Lady Drink quota as they would in a go-go bar or a beer bar.

It is a somewhat friendly, open, co-operative arrangement between the owner and whatever girls or ladyboys are available and show up that night. It is then merely "understood" that whatever barfine is paid will mostly if not entirely go to the proprietor of the bar who has allowed the P4P provider to sit there (and been happy when attractive ones or effectively charismatic ones do), hawking the place, trying to pull in customers for herself, for Lady Drinks, for the customer's drinks and so on. I would also assume the girl or ladyboy gets some sort of commission on Lady Drinks purchased for them.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2095192]There's two antibiotic treatments available: one is taking 100 MG of Doxycycline twice daily for seven days, the other taking 1000 MG (1 g) of Azithromycin (which is sold in Thailand as Zithromax) as a single dose. [/QUOTE]Make that three. Last time I caught Gonorrhea / Chlamydia, about 2 years ago, I was prescribed a combination of Binozyt Azithromycin 250 MG USP and Sixime Celixime 100 MG.
It worked very well back then. Had to take 4 pills of each.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2095224]The best money changer is Superrich. They have various branches across Bangkok; you'll get the best rates at their main branch on Rajdamri Road opposite of Central World.[/QUOTE]Or if you are closer to Nana then try Vasu Exchange located under the BTS on Sukhumvit.

Useful to check out this too.

[URL]https://daytodaydata.net/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2095450]BTW, something else that might be a point of interest regarding those portable sidewalk cart bars; for the most part the girls (or Ladyboys) sitting at those cart bars are freelancers who simply choose to sit at a particular bar because they can, because they like the location, because they like the proprietor or proprietress of that bar, are friends with them, know them from previous jobs, venues or whatever. They aren't exactly on a salary or have a Lady Drink quota as they would in a go-go bar or a beer bar.

It is a somewhat friendly, open, co-operative arrangement between the owner and whatever girls or ladyboys are available and show up that night. It is then merely "understood" that whatever barfine is paid will mostly if not entirely go to the proprietor of the bar who has allowed the P4P provider to sit there (and been happy when attractive ones or effectively charismatic ones do), hawking the place, trying to pull in customers for herself, for Lady Drinks, for the customer's drinks and so on. I would also assume the girl or ladyboy gets some sort of commission on Lady Drinks purchased for them.[/QUOTE]Mobile bar and alcocart are a great asset to the town in the odd hours bars start to close.

I enjoyed them a lot, till the first dawn light, but unnfortunarley the new powers decided they are no good at the town image.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2095229]Thanks for confirming-- Yes, that's the place where I saw lots of girls milling about outside, I guess since it was closed when I got there I didn't notice any sign for Thermae.

Question to other folks who know BKK better-- are the girls that work at the sidewalk bars outside Soi Cowboy available for ST generally? Or is it an "up to the girl" situation? As my girl I was able to barfine for 500 but I don't know what that should entail.[/QUOTE]I did same thing there are some stairs going down by the entrance on right side just go down them.

So walked by the sidewalk bar again, the crazy girl is not there anymore, neither was the other girl behind the bar (they aren't really bartenders, since all they do is pass the bottles to a guy who does the drinks, but they are more than just random girls that sit there, as they seem to have a relationship with the bar owner, calling her "boss" Maybe she only works a few nights a week? Or moonlights (daylights?) somewhere else?

Anyway, went to Thermae's as I finally saw the neon sign pointing down.

Here are my impressions as a first timer:

1) Not what I expected at all. Lights on, looks kind of like a diner or cafeteria.

2) Glad that there was no smoking inside.

3) Overwhelming the number of girls that were there, and all standing in two concentric circles staring at you as you walk in.

4) I suppose this is a reverse racetrack-- Guys were walking in a circle in between the circles that the girls formed, trying to size up each girl without looking too awkward.

5) Felt awkward, no matter what.

6) 95% Japanese and Korean patrons.

7) Girls mostly tried to have an East Asian look, or cute anime look.

8) I think about 30-40% of the girls were actually very well done post-op ladyboys. Hard to tell. Many of the ones outside were definitely LB.

9) Finally noticed a cutie that I was 99% sure was a girl, and who had a more schoolgirl / girl next door look, and had a slight resemblance to a Japanese pop singer from the 90's-- can't remember which. Very petite and natural spinner.

She quoted 2500ST and even though I know it can be lower, I didn't have time to haggle and she was definitely my type so we went. Her friends were kind of funny too-- the one next to her was also quite cute and said "Why you stay here, go outside!"

Even though she has been doing this for at least a year (but not at Thermae in 6 months), and has traveled to work, she is still in school primarily and seemed a little shy / inexperienced. Or she was a good actress. Either way, talked and built some rapport, then showered, DATY until she came, and then my turn. She was very sweet and gave quite a good performance, not rushed at all, and seemed like she was genuinely into it. Oh, and had a perfect set of perky natural B/Cs and slim body. All in all, a better experience than I expected from a FL and for my first time going to Thermae.

Are there ST Hotels all around Suk? If I'm not familiar with where the ST Hotels are, will the FL's know and I am to just follow where they take me? I guess I don't mind taking them back to my hotel room, but for convenience sakes isn't it better to just find a ST Hotel? For better clarity, I'm staying up by Nana and I'm worried if I find a lady I like in Soi Cowboy, I don't want to come all the way back up to Nana for the use of my room.

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2095679]Are there ST Hotels all around Suk? If I'm not familiar with where the ST Hotels are, will the FL's know and I am to just follow where they take me?[/QUOTE]Yes; it is a part of their routine knowing where to take you, and they prefer somewhere close for a ST as time is money. If you do take them to your Nana area hotel just give them 100 baht 'taxi' money to return to their original spot.

SL.

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2095679]Are there ST Hotels all around Suk? If I'm not familiar with where the ST Hotels are, will the FL's know and I am to just follow where they take me? I guess I don't mind taking them back to my hotel room, but for convenience sakes isn't it better to just find a ST Hotel? For better clarity, I'm staying up by Nana and I'm worried if I find a lady I like in Soi Cowboy, I don't want to come all the way back up to Nana for the use of my room.[/QUOTE]Bkk has pedicabs, tuk tuks, motocycles, trains and taxis to get you back to Nana hotels. They also go back the same way. I personally like to use my hotel room and have never used a ST room.

Most girls won't want to walk very far in their working shoes.

Do you know where I could find Sagami 002 condoms in Bangkok? I've seen them for sale in Pattaya, but haven't been able to find them in Bangkok.

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2095634]
8) I think about 30-40% of the girls were actually very well done post-op ladyboys. Hard to tell.[/QUOTE]Is this possible? I'd have thought post-ops had become a rarity in Thailand now if your estimate is correct they would be all over the place poaching on women's turf.

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2095679] For better clarity, I'm staying up by Nana and I'm worried if I find a lady I like in Soi Cowboy, I don't want to come all the way back up to Nana for the use of my room.[/QUOTE]If you want to take a Soi Cowboy bargirl to a ST hotel room, walk to the Asok end of Soi Cowboy, turn right, immediately on your right again (before you get to the 7-11 on Asok) is a set of stairs that will take you to the lobby of Asok Place (if I recall the name of it). That is a decent ST hotel for trysts with Soi Cowboy bargirls. I haven't used it in a few years but it is probably still about 350 baht for an hour or so.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2095634]
8) I think about 30-40% of the girls were actually very well done post-op ladyboys. Hard to tell. Many of the ones outside were definitely LB.
[/QUOTE]As far as I know LB's or not allowed in Thermae, which is exactly the reason that many of the 'girls' outside are LB's.

However I don't know if post-op ladyboys are allowed inside. But if they are I think 30-40% is an overestimation.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2095634]

8) I think about 30-40% of the girls were actually very well done post-op ladyboys. Hard to tell. Many of the ones outside were definitely LB.

[/QUOTE]That high of a percentage out of, say, 100 or more ladies would be a rather shocking bit of news regarding the girls of Thermae. Perhaps 1-2 ladyboys, post-op or not, out a hundred ladies might occasionally slip past the very experienced and watchful eyes of the Thermae servers and staff working hard to prevent even one from entering the place ever. Then, of course, such a subterfuge would require either fooling or getting the cooperation of every real girl on either side of those ladyboys who would surely not want the world to start thinking any one of them might be a ladyboy, too. Not likely.

The technology would need to have advanced much further than I or any of those staffers thought and they are really, really, really well done post-ops, even better than one might encounter at Straps in Nana Plaza, possibly the best, most convincing collection of post-op ladyboys in the country if not the world. But even as good as they are, in person they are still easy to spot as ladyboys, imo.

[QUOTE=XXL;2095711]Is this possible? I'd have thought post-ops had become a rarity in Thailand now if your estimate is correct they would be all over the place poaching on women's turf.[/QUOTE]No, I don't think this is possible. Many guys coming in Thailand for holiday are too much ladyboyphobic and can't recognise a ladyboy by a girl, if they see a girl with huge silicon boobs and alot of surgery they think immediately that is a ladyboy.

This happen many times on another thai-forum when memeber post a pic of a real girl with alot of surgery many guys will start to thinking and write that she is a ladyboy.

99% of the time is very easy to understand if the person is a ladyboy or girl, IMO.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2095759]As far as I know LB's or not allowed in Thermae, which is exactly the reason that many of the 'girls' outside are LB's.

However I don't know if post-op ladyboys are allowed inside. But if they are I think 30-40% is an overestimation.[/QUOTE]LBs have never been allowed in Thermae. At least in the 17 plus years I have been going there. Perhaps a post-op slips in now and then, but the staff will boot them the minute they are discovered. Now there are plenty of plastic surgery disasters in Thremae that look like LBs, that is for sure.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2095775]LBs have never been allowed in Thermae. At least in the 17 plus years I have been going there. Perhaps a post-op slips in now and then, but the staff will boot them the minute they are discovered. Now there are plenty of plastic surgery disasters in Thremae that look like LBs, that is for sure.[/QUOTE]There was only one time in all of my visits to Thermae, about 4 years ago, when I sat in a booth, began chatting with a girl who was already sitting in that booth in the spot against the wall and after about 2 minutes of conversation I began to suspect she might be a ladyboy. Her voice and hand gestures were suspect but not totally off the mark and she could have been just a smoker with a bit too much of an androgynous strain. I dropped all interest in taking it further with her/him. It is only because of that one encounter that I am open to the idea that a ladyboy could find his way into Thermae sometimes. But it still would be very rare and, as it was with this one (possibly), he would have to slip in and make sure he didn't interact with the staff or any of the other girls in the place.

[QUOTE=XXL;2095711]Is this possible? I'd have thought post-ops had become a rarity in Thailand now if your estimate is correct they would be all over the place poaching on women's turf.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2095759]As far as I know LB's or not allowed in Thermae, which is exactly the reason that many of the 'girls' outside are LB's.

However I don't know if post-op ladyboys are allowed inside. But if they are I think 30-40% is an overestimation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2095761]That high of a percentage out of, say, 100 or more ladies would be a rather shocking bit of news regarding the girls of Thermae. Perhaps 1-2 ladyboys, post-op or not, out a hundred ladies might occasionally slip past the very experienced and watchful eyes of the Thermae servers and staff working hard to prevent even one from entering the place ever. Then, of course, such a subterfuge would require either fooling or getting the cooperation of every real girl on either side of those ladyboys who would surely not want the world to start thinking any one of them might be a ladyboy, too. Not likely.

The technology would need to have advanced much further than I or any of those staffers thought and they are really, really, really well done post-ops, even better than one might encounter at Straps in Nana Plaza, possibly the best, most convincing collection of post-op ladyboys in the country if not the world. But even as good as they are, in person they are still easy to spot as ladyboys, imo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2095775]LBs have never been allowed in Thermae. At least in the 17 plus years I have been going there. Perhaps a post-op slips in now and then, but the staff will boot them the minute they are discovered. Now there are plenty of plastic surgery disasters in Thremae that look like LBs, that is for sure.[/QUOTE]My apologies for overestimating, then. Perhaps it's the level of surgery as mentioned, or makeup, that made me suspect. Also a fair number were VERY tall for a Thai. I am a bit more suspicious because last year I had an experience with a go-go in Patpong, where all the girls looked super done up like anime characters, and were very aggressive-- I ended up taking one back, and "she" had big bolt-ONS, was not naturally lubricated, and had a few other suspicious things about "her". To this day I am not sure (if I a tree falls and nobody hears it, does it make a sound? But I am very suspicious of that go-go thinking most if not all of the "girls" in there were post-op. Is this crazy thinking?

As for my first time in Thermae, it just also seemed a bit too good to be true for a good number of the ladies there, hence the suspicion. Luckily the girl I selected was 100% natural, I don't like surgically enhanced girls anyway.

I have seen what I suspect to be a ladyboy sneak into Thermae but rule of thumb is if staff sees them there they will be removed. It wasn't very difficult for a ladyboy to sneak in through the back door before but would be more difficult now with the back door locked. Now a ladyboy would have to go by the staff at the front door. I didn't see any I suspected to be ladyboys last week.

Are there any massage place in Siam or in a mall in that area that offers extras?

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2095805]My apologies for overestimating, then. Perhaps it's the level of surgery as mentioned, or makeup, that made me suspect. Also a fair number were VERY tall for a Thai. I am a bit more suspicious because last year I had an experience with a go-go in Patpong, where all the girls looked super done up like anime characters, and were very aggressive-- I ended up taking one back, and "she" had big bolt-ONS, was not naturally lubricated, and had a few other suspicious things about "her". To this day I am not sure (if I a tree falls and nobody hears it, does it make a sound? But I am very suspicious of that go-go thinking most if not all of the "girls" in there were post-op. Is this crazy thinking?

As for my first time in Thermae, it just also seemed a bit too good to be true for a good number of the ladies there, hence the suspicion. Luckily the girl I selected was 100% natural, I don't like surgically enhanced girls anyway.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Yes a percentage of surgeries girls are starting to look a bit like LBs due to surgeries (a significant percentage in Bacarra), and I don't mean that to be a compliment. However you can recognise somewhat which are which because the LBs are the prettier ones. LOL. I saw some very nice looking tall Streetwalkers in Soi 4 last night. Unfortunately all the good lookers were LBs, and the real girls very average indeed even without surgeries.

One girl in Suk road was nearly pretty enough, but she wanted 2 K and that sort of soured the deal. I would have been happy to pay 2 K if she turned out to be really good, but the risk was too much. I would require the base price to be somewhat lower till she proved she was worth it. Also she was dressed not to reveal her figure too clearly, so I feared surprises. The face was a good pass though, even if not up to the best girls in Thermae.

It is getting hard for me to bite the bullet and actually try girls. I have been made very cautious due to meeting girls that appeared really keen and even kissy, perhaps being a little too unnaturally full on before the deal, but on the bed have started to give me the hurry up after dick in no more than 2 minutes, and after 15 minutes, not willing to continue. Makes me so paranoid. It is so easy to just do known reliable girls.

Min was not there as passed Kasalong. Two other girls had above average looks I guess, but faces and noses too broad to be my personal spec. Saw a young guy taking a stunner from Twisters (very good face at least - tits not that good) that I previously tried. She was a complete dud on the bed (and over priced even if would be average performer), so I was very tempted to warn him. LOL That would be very impolite of course.

Mercury joins the very long list of LB bars in Nana. Some Mercury girls moved next door to Mandarin, but I don't see the talent is very good in there overall. I am too picky naturally. I don't currently find that any Nana bar is a good place for me to hunt at all. Cowboy probably only lingers due to girls I have known for years. Meeting exciting lots of fun new girls is not easy. There is no motivation to hunt much.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2095850]Ha ha. Yes a percentage of surgeries girls are starting to look a bit like LBs due to surgeries, and I don't mean that to be a compliment. However you can recognise somewhat which are which because the LBs are the prettier ones. LOL. I saw some very nice looking tall Streetwalkers in Soi 4 last night. Unfortunately all the good lookers were LBs, and the real girls very average indeed even without surgeries.
[/QUOTE]If only girls went for the same kind of surgery as LBs instead of just turning their faces into Japanese anime figures.

Is a Ladyboy still a ladyboy even after post-op? After the surgery that makes them a female right? With female parts?

I'm not going to lie, there are a few LBs there are very hot and beautiful, although tempted, I've never had a ladyboy. Has anyone ever had a post-op LB? Post-op means she has female parts top to bottom right?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2095775]LBs have never been allowed in Thermae. At least in the 17 plus years I have been going there. Perhaps a post-op slips in now and then, but the staff will boot them the minute they are discovered. Now there are plenty of plastic surgery disasters in Thremae that look like LBs, that is for sure.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2095859]I'm not going to lie, there are a few LBs there are very hot and beautiful, although tempted, I've never had a ladyboy. Has anyone ever had a post-op LB? Post-op means she has female parts top to bottom right?[/QUOTE]Years ago the Frankfurt red light district had quite a few post-ops. Many came from Hong Kong. They came in one big wave. I think they were granted asylum ahead of the devolution to the Chinese Republic. As far as I can remember they were stunning but they were also inveterate scammers. They even had fake clocks to cheat clients over the time. In Frankfurt they were allowed to work on the same floor as genetic females while pre-ops were segregated to a "man only" floor. I have it on my bucket list to try out a pre-op in Thailand. I haven't done so yet because I don't know how to differentiate between pre and post without asking awkward questions.

I did it in Frankfurt a few times and it was ok. I never formed the habit as in Germany you had plenty of women whose figures can compete. The problem in Thailand is not the number of (mostly pre-ops) LBs. Sao Paulo in Brazil has far more of them IMO. The problem in Thailand is where do you find "bum-bums" and "bundas gostosas", especially if you don't want to limit yourself to the maximally young. Because with age some flabbiness inevitably sets in, and then it's adios to what little curves around the hips were there to begin with.

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2095859]Is a Ladyboy still a ladyboy even after post-op? After the surgery that makes them a female right? With female parts?

I'm not going to lie, there are a few LBs there are very hot and beautiful, although tempted, I've never had a ladyboy. Has anyone ever had a post-op LB? Post-op means she has female parts top to bottom right?[/QUOTE]This is not a forum where discussion of ladyboy experiences is allowed nor promotion of LB things, with or without dicks. Most of the readers here including myself are not into LBs sexually at all. I don't think the moderators will make an exception for post-ops at all.

There may be alternate forums for LB things, I would not know. Mostly on here the normal topics are how to identify and avoid LBs.

It is disturbing to me that gogo bars in Bangkok have deteriorated in many ways:
1. Arab's bars with non-fuckable girls
2. LB bars or bars with some LBs.
3. "Coyote" girls over dressed and over priced that are not real Coyotes at all
4. Bars with fat girls of a very young age (bad modern diet)
5. Bars with girls spaced out on drugs, whether Ice or Ya Bah.
6. Bars with lots of girls having ugly tit jobs and freaky nose jobs and other miscellaneous Ops.
7. Deteriorating music to noisy thumping disco stuff with not much real musical quality
8. Rocketing prices compared to much lower price rises in the MP industry.
9. Bars with girls used to or preferring the Asian clientele.
10. Now with the latest government, less nudity.

As GoatS says, it wasn't like this at 20 to 15 years ago.

It is still possible to find a girl slightly like the old days, however she doesn't want to go long time any more, and she is stuck playing games on her phone, or sending messages.

I honestly can't remember lady boys in Nana when I first went there in later 90s, to Lollipop, Pretty lady and Voodoo. I think LBs were mainly in Thaniya PatPong. Now we are over run with ladyboys starting to out number the girls.

Asoke Place ST Hotel has more Japanese customers with Ladyboys than it has customers with real girls, based on my observations. I don't see Farangs or Indians go in there with ladyboys at all. I guess Farangs take them back their own Hotels.

At one time I was sort of an Optimist. LOL Not much perhaps. Depressing me now.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2095876]
I honestly can't remember lady boys in Nana when I first went there in later 90s [/QUOTE]Casanova bar was always there. I can't remember any others back then though. That was the only bar I avoided. LOL.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2095709]Do you know where I could find Sagami 002 condoms in Bangkok? I've seen them for sale in Pattaya, but haven't been able to find them in Bangkok.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]I've seen them in some, but not all, 7/11 in Bangkok, likewise some pharmacies though I can't give you a specific chain. Usually in packs of 1 or 2. Maybe if you asked you could get a box. Around 70 baht per unit ish. I buy online from here in Aus but keep an eye out just in case I run out. The Okamotos seem to be more readily available and might be worth a try.

Question: does demand create supply or does supply create demand? as far as red-light district Kathoeys are concerned. I am talking about their relative numbers in Sukhumvit and Patpong. LB's have always been a part of Thailand society since probably the dawn of their civilization, but I do tend to agree with you guys that in say the last 10 to 15 years I have seen a larger number of them making themselves available in nighttime BKK tourist areas. So, is this a sign of what? Increased supply or increased demand.

Here is a little anecdotal report:

One night I went Ramkhamhaeng to have dinner with my Mini in her neighborhood. I always like to visit her because she lives in a lively university neighborhood with a lot of restaurants, music houses and what not, and I am usually the only farang in sight.

So, we drank a little Tequila and made the boom boom in her apartment. I fondly remembered the good times, not so long ago, when Mini was a Baccara Go Go girl and I would hang out with her and her Go Go entourage in the same small studio apartment. I guess Mini was feeling the nostalgia too because she showed me some old pictures from her birthday parties that I celebrated with her and her crew at Red Sun Disco. Mini asked if I remembered those nights and I said of course I did. Those were great times!

Anyway, after 3 or 4 shots of Tequila we headed out for dinner. Mini suggested an open-air restaurant a couple blocks from her place. It was packed with 100 customers maybe more. And Guess what? ALL the hostesses were Ladyboys and not the slim down version trying to pass in Nana type. NO, the ladyboy hostess that escorted us to our table was built like a rugby player and looked pretty rough. She was around 5 ft 5 inches tall with thick legs and very strong looking arms. Now don't get me wrong, I was not phased in the slightest. To me it's all part of the scenery and nightlife of BKK. The rugged, but friendly LB hostess took our drink order and then a girl girl waitress took over. Then during our meal, we were treated to some entertainment in the form of a show consisting of all the ladyboy hostesses in the restaurant. The 6 hostesses got on a stage in front of the dining tables and danced in a very choreographed way to some Molam music and then each one took center stage and lipsinked some other popular tunes. Mini and I enjoyed the show and by the enthusiastic response from all the other diners, I would say everybody enjoyed the entertainment. I still have a video clip of the show on my computer and Mini occasionally asks if I want to go back to that restaurant. I tell her sure. The food was great and we had a good time.

So, I guess I am saying that I think increased demand is drawing Kathoeys to the tourist entertainment areas. It's an easy way to make money. But like all things commercial Thai, I think the tourist oriented Kathoeys are now in oversupply.

P.S. I don't care if the person is a pre-op or post-op, she still can't have babies, so she is still a man biologically speaking. But give medical science another 25 years and this definition may not hold up. Who the fuck knows! 555.

P.S.S. I agree with Syzygies, the topic of doing ladyboys or anything related to their procurement is not allowed. This forum is for men (or girls) interested in balling natural born girls.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2095963] NO, the ladyboy hostess that escorted us to our table was built like a rugby player and looked pretty rough. She was around 5 ft 5 inches tall with thick legs and very strong looking arms. [/QUOTE]Reminds me of when I live in Laos around the 2000's. There was a LB that worked in a bar at night that I drank in, but he / she also worked as a labourer during the day. We called he / she Bruce.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2095963] So, I guess I am saying that I think increased demand is drawing Kathoeys to the tourist entertainment areas. It's an easy way to make money. But like all things commercial Thai, I think the tourist oriented Kathoeys are now in oversupply. [/QUOTE]Could also be possible that education and the economy has improved to a state that girls who used to work in the hospitalty industry years ago now have degrees and / or better jobs. I've flown on Thai Smile a few times recently and the hostesses on the flights have been much cuter than I've seen in the bars recently.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2095952]Casanova bar was always there. I can't remember any others back then though. That was the only bar I avoided. LOL.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.bangkokeyes.com/1993jul31.html[/URL] Indeed Casanova was an early bar.

I was aware of the 2nd floor areas populated by LBs but not really to up on the names of the bars because had to go past quickly.

In early days I really only attended Lollipop, Pretty Lady, maybe Hollywood. Whichever bars had the most nudity. Also Angel Witch for shows.

Not sure what year the nude dancing came in. I remember girls in the aquarium at Lollipop I think.

Later I attended Cascade when it was not a LB bar, then had the shock when it changed over.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2095963]Question: does demand create supply or does supply create demand? as far as red-light district Kathoeys are concerned. I am talking about their relative numbers in Sukhumvit and Patpong. LB's have always been a part of Thailand society since probably the dawn of their civilization, but I do tend to agree with you guys that in say the last 10 to 15 years I have seen a larger number of them making themselves available in nighttime BKK tourist areas. So, is this a sign of what? Increased supply or increased demand.
[/QUOTE]I think what we're seeing is a substantial drop in the number of girls (especially attractive ones) in the nightlife industry, while the number of ladyboys is staying more or less constant. I doubt there are more ladyboys in nightlife areas in terms of absolute numbers, it's just that the proportion of ladyboys to the girls is higher.

On lower Sukhumvit, at least, 10 years ago there were hundreds of attractive and decent female streetwalkers on any given evening. These days, the numbers are lower and all that's left is the bottom-of-the-barrel. Ladyboys now actually pop out for looking prettier than most of the working women still there.

To me, these could be the two factors leading to a perception of more ladyboys around and increased demand.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2095850]

It is getting hard for me to bite the bullet and actually try girls. I have been made very cautious due to meeting girls that appeared really keen and even kissy, perhaps being a little too unnaturally full on before the deal, but on the bed have started to give me the hurry up after dick in no more than 2 minutes, and after 15 minutes, not willing to continue. Makes me so paranoid. It is so easy to just do known reliable girls.

[/QUOTE]It might be time for you to give dating sites like ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid another try, assuming you perhaps gave them a try at least once before. Although I realize that is more difficult to do if you have a live-in girlfriend. Maybe impossible. I am now going about 75% with non P4P girls I meet from sites like that or around town in restaurants and shops and filling in the rest with the occasional new go-go dancer or freelancer. That allows me to be a lot pickier with the P4P girls I take and try very hard (but will fail sometimes. LOL) to only take those with whom I feel the most chemistry and horniness yet still have a full dance card for sex throughout the week and month.

But where the direct P4P girls will be much more inclined to watch the clock and try to reduce wear and tear on their tools of the trade, many of those regular date girls are honestly looking for a prolonged and satisfying fuck they might not have had since they met the young Thai or old farang boyfriend 3 years ago and who dumped them two years ago. Or ever. Yes, that does mean you would probably not find as high a percentage of perfect bodies and faces you hunt for in the bars. But now that you aren't even finding that so much in the bars, you have a lot less to lose by trying the non P4P route, right?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2096028]I think what we're seeing is a substantial drop in the number of girls (especially attractive ones) in the nightlife industry, while the number of ladyboys is staying more or less constant. I doubt there are more ladyboys in nightlife areas in terms of absolute numbers, it's just that the proportion of ladyboys to the girls is higher.

On lower Sukhumvit, at least, 10 years ago there were hundreds of attractive and decent female streetwalkers on any given evening. These days, the numbers are lower and all that's left is the bottom-of-the-barrel. Ladyboys now actually pop out for looking prettier than most of the working women still there.

To me, these could be the two factors leading to a perception of more ladyboys around and increased demand.[/QUOTE]I agree that the number of ladyboys has remained more or less constant. 4-5 years ago there seemed to be many more very attractive ladyboys strolling along Sukumvit, sitting at the massage shops, standing on Soi 4 just past Hillary 4 bar and on either side of the soi. But during that same time frame 2-3 more Nana Plaza bars have been converted to ladyboy bars and I suspect several of the better looking ladyboys who used to stand or might have stood outside are now working in those bars.

Moreover, ladyboys are far more likely to agree to a session with the now greater influx of Arab, Indian and other less attractive to Thai female customers in the area. And I do believe that is also a big factor in why younger, better looking Thai girls are not showing up in the same numbers as before. Maybe they are online. But they are not showing up to be shopped face-to-face in public by men whose ethnicity they are not culturally used to or inclined to accepting. That factor is not as blatantly obvious to me in Bangkok as it is in Pattaya. But it is still a factor imo.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2096052]I agree that the number of ladyboys has remained more or less constant. 4-5 years ago there seemed to be many more very attractive ladyboys strolling along Sukumvit, sitting at the massage shops, standing on Soi 4 just past Hillary 4 bar and on either side of the soi. But during that same time frame 2-3 more Nana Plaza bars have been converted to ladyboy bars and I suspect several of the better looking ladyboys who used to stand or might have stood outside are now working in those bars.

Moreover, ladyboys are far more likely to agree to a session with the now greater influx of Arab, Indian and other less attractive to Thai female customers in the area. And I do believe that is also a big factor in why younger, better looking Thai girls are not showing up in the same numbers as before. Maybe they are online. But they are not showing up to be shopped face-to-face in public by men whose ethnicity they are not culturally used to or inclined to accepting. That factor is not as blatantly obvious to me in Bangkok as it is in Pattaya. But it is still a factor imo.[/QUOTE]I think the general decrease of female streetwalkers is due to two factors:

The education, in general is improving, and there are more job opportunities.

Bangkok has seen a change by in the recent years and there are more malls etc. Whether this makes sense or not, they need to employ new staff: more job opportunities. So more girls get s job without necessarily having to enter the sex industry to get a living. Lots did so, especially from rural areas with no jobs. Sex was an easy job, not requiring much school education.

Ladyboys do attend university and have more job opportunity, especially those not too much hardened by the sex industry. The acceptance has increased. They can have normal job more than before.

Still they have less opportunities than real girls. Hence they enter the sex industry more than the girls.

Ladyboys do enjoy spending money and normal works, decent wages, do not provide the income a good LB can earn.

They are also more keen to enjoy the job as it carries along a lot of sex. Don't forget their gender roots. In general, men have more sex drive than women.

It can be shortsighted as when their shelf date is over, mid to late thirties, they will be in troubles if they didn't think about saving or future life. That's another story, it goes down to what is inside their head.

Only few real girls can earn a lot in the sex industry and for shorter time.

As far as social media and internet being a marketing platform, I believe these are more used by LB than real girls. Just an assumption.

All in all this results in less girls entering the business and a steadier number of LB into it.

IMHO.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2096028]
On lower Sukhumvit, at least, 10 years ago there were hundreds of attractive and decent female streetwalkers on any given evening. These days, the numbers are lower and all that's left is the bottom-of-the-barrel. Ladyboys now actually pop out for looking prettier than most of the working women still there.
[/QUOTE]There were? I can't quite remember that. Never had that many SW experiences over the years for one reason or another. However we do now see the dominance of LB and African street walkers on Sukhumvit.

I can see that 90% of P4P will be weirdos in one way or another before too long. City of horrors! Makes me miss the extra sordid lunchtime orgy visits to Pat Pong 25 years back. You could have a sex party with several raunchy wayward girls in an upstairs bar like Kangaroo Club or Annie's Rose for a reasonable price. I was not aware of Star of Light in those days. I believe it was formerly called Star of Love. LOL

You could also probably organise a sex romp with multiple girls at a BJ bar these days but would cost significantly more. You might run into shy girls problems. LOL

Has anyone tried Bew, formally of Easy cart bar and Cowboy2.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2096108]I think the general decrease of female streetwalkers is due to two factors:

The education, in general is improving, and there are more job opportunities.[/QUOTE]I believe these days that many younger P4 P ladies choose to have an on-line / social media presence as their initial point of contact.

SL.

[QUOTE=BlueWizard;2095958]I've seen them in some, but not all, 7/11 in Bangkok, likewise some pharmacies though I can't give you a specific chain. Usually in packs of 1 or 2. Maybe if you asked you could get a box. Around 70 baht per unit ish. I buy online from here in Aus but keep an eye out just in case I run out. The Okamotos seem to be more readily available and might be worth a try.[/QUOTE]Hi,

You find them in pharmacy Sukhumvit soi 4 corner on suk side before you yurn into Soi 4 before Nana place.

I've been wanting to go to Thailand for some time but I've avoided Asia because I'm a smoker and I can't enjoy a vacation without my weed. It's likes a drinker going on vacation somewhere where they don't sell alcohol. I've been to Philippines and I was able to find weed in Angeles. Can anyone tell me if weed is available and where to find.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2096023][URL]http://www.bangkokeyes.com/1993jul31.html[/URL] Indeed Casanova was an early bar.

I was aware of the 2nd floor areas populated by LBs but not really to up on the names of the bars because had to go past quickly.

In early days I really only attended Lollipop, Pretty Lady, maybe Hollywood. Whichever bars had the most nudity. Also Angel Witch for shows.

Not sure what year the nude dancing came in. I remember girls in the aquarium at Lollipop I think.

Later I attended Cascade when it was not a LB bar, then had the shock when it changed over.[/QUOTE]I didn't arrive until late 90's. Hollywood (now Billboard) was awesome back then. They used to show pornos on the TV's around the place and had without a doubt the best lesbian show I have ever seen in my life. 12 girls in a circle mouth to ass just like the human centipede, then paired up into 6 pairs and using dildos and such. My favorite part was when one girl held a dildo in her mouth and pushed it in and out of her lesbian partner with her mouth. My second favorite place was G-Spot (now Rainbow 4). The shower show at G-Spot was pretty great and their supply of girls was solid. I had my first threesome ever in Thailand with 2 girls from G-Spot.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2095774]99% of the time is very easy to understand if the person is a ladyboy or girl, IMO.[/QUOTE]I agree. Voice and Adam's apple are obvious signs, even if they can be trained or changed by surgery. Two signs, which are never changed by surgery, are hands and elbows. If you get very close, smell and five o'clock shadow are other clear hints for LB.

But I still think, that the behavior is the best way to recognize a LB quite early. They tend to overact female gestures (I. E. playing with their hair and boobs), that no, really no Thai girl would ever do.

[QUOTE=YourBoyRoc;2096236]I've been wanting to go to Thailand for some time but I've avoided Asia because I'm a smoker and I can't enjoy a vacation without my weed. It's likes a drinker going on vacation somewhere where they don't sell alcohol. I've been to Philippines and I was able to find weed in Angeles. Can anyone tell me if weed is available and where to find.[/QUOTE]If you know what's good for you, don't involve yourself with any drugs, weed or otherwise in Thailand. Thai police are mostly corrupt, and any opportunity they get to prosecute a falang will be grasped with vigor. I have personally witnessed Thai police identifying farangs for drug tests walking near the Asoke intersection a few years ago, but I am not sure if it still happens. In short, don't do it.

Sagamis, including the "L" size, sold at Boots in Pattaya, but often sold out. I wonder if the Okamoto 003 are equivalent. If I'm not mistaken the Sagamis are 0. 028 which rounds up to 0. 03 or something of the sort.

[QUOTE=YourBoyRoc;2096236]I've been wanting to go to Thailand for some time but I've avoided Asia because I'm a smoker and I can't enjoy a vacation without my weed. It's likes a drinker going on vacation somewhere where they don't sell alcohol. I've been to Philippines and I was able to find weed in Angeles. Can anyone tell me if weed is available and where to find.[/QUOTE]Drugs in an Asian country that still deals in the death penalty? I know they won't execute for some pot but it will probably cost you 5 to 10 years of your life. In short don't go.

[QUOTE=XXL;2096334]Sagamis, including the "L" size, sold at Boots in Pattaya, but often sold out. I wonder if the Okamoto 003 are equivalent. If I'm not mistaken the Sagamis are 0. 028 which rounds up to 0. 03 or something of the sort.[/QUOTE]Condom's are a big concern for me but I buy mine just before I travel so I have them and I know the brand and size. I saw in my local today 40 thin for $17.

[QUOTE=YourBoyRoc;2096236]I've been wanting to go to Thailand for some time but I've avoided Asia because I'm a smoker and I can't enjoy a vacation without my weed. It's likes a drinker going on vacation somewhere where they don't sell alcohol. I've been to Philippines and I was able to find weed in Angeles. Can anyone tell me if weed is available and where to find.[/QUOTE]Years ago some small islands had a reputation for that kind of partying (Koh Phangan). However given the risk in this part of the world you'd better monger elsewhere less risky. Germany comes to mind, with neighbouring Holland where small quantities are non-arrestable. Even South America is preferable to Thailand for what you have in mind. Do you want to risk finding yourself on death row for a joint? Even if you score you will not have your peace of mind.

[QUOTE=YourBoyRoc;2096236]I've been wanting to go to Thailand for some time but I've avoided Asia because I'm a smoker and I can't enjoy a vacation without my weed. It's likes a drinker going on vacation somewhere where they don't sell alcohol. I've been to Philippines and I was able to find weed in Angeles. Can anyone tell me if weed is available and where to find.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is available. I don't know where because I refuse to accept the potential for jail time for weed. If anyone answers the where question, Jackson will probably delete it.

For weed in SE Asia, you need to go to Cambodia or Saigon. Weed laws are generally not enforced. But quality is bad. Not really worth smoking.

[QUOTE=XXL;2096365]Do you want to risk finding yourself on death row for a joint? Even if you score you will not have your peace of mind.[/QUOTE]Obviously an exaggeration. No one gets the death penalty for a joint.

If you are stupid and/or unlucky and get caught, it most likely will be a large bribe. Make sure you have access to several thousand dollars.

If the cop doesn't accept bribes, then I've heard two things that are likely to occur. One is that you are sentenced to jail, and then you are released early on the king's or queen's birthday and then are kicked out of the country. The other thing I heard is that after you are arrested, you are kicked out of the country. Not sure which occurs. There is too much BS on the internet, with everyone repeating the same paranoia without facts.

[QUOTE=Michager;2096298]If you get very close, smell and five o'clock shadow are other clear hints for LB.

[/QUOTE]Having a see**k gives them away as well, if you get a bit too far without noticing, ha ha ha.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2096372]

If you are stupid and/or unlucky and get caught, it most likely will be a large bribe. Make sure you have access to several thousand dollars.

[/QUOTE]Agree, although you may not be unlucky, you could just be set up by the guy who sold the dope. I've heard that's a really big problem in Bali, that's why westerners smuggle it in. The local expats only buy from other expats. This was widely reported in the papers in Australia a few years back.

I don't smoke, weed or anything, I already have enough expensive vices and don't need any more.

Thanks for the feedback guys sounds a little to risky for me.

[QUOTE=YourBoyRoc;2096443]Thanks for the feedback guys sounds a little to risky for me.[/QUOTE]IMO, it was similar risk getting weed in Angeles.

If you want (relatively) safe mongering and weed, you should go to Cambodia, Saigon, Colombia, Peru, or Amsterdam.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2096419]Agree, although you may not be unlucky, you could just be set up by the guy who sold the dope. I've heard that's a really big problem in Bali, that's why westerners smuggle it in. The local expats only buy from other expats. This was widely reported in the papers in Australia a few years back.

I don't smoke, weed or anything, I already have enough expensive vices and don't need any more.[/QUOTE]You are correct about Bali, it is a definite set up and not worth the risk or the bribes involved.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2096372]Yes, it is available. I don't know where because I refuse to accept the potential for jail time for weed. If anyone answers the where question, Jackson will probably delete it.

For weed in SE Asia, you need to go to Cambodia or Saigon. Weed laws are generally not enforced. But quality is bad. Not really worth smoking.

Obviously an exaggeration. No one gets the death penalty for a joint.

If you are stupid and/or unlucky and get caught, it most likely will be a large bribe. Make sure you have access to several thousand dollars.

If the cop doesn't accept bribes, then I've heard two things that are likely to occur. One is that you are sentenced to jail, and then you are released early on the king's or queen's birthday and then are kicked out of the country. The other thing I heard is that after you are arrested, you are kicked out of the country. Not sure which occurs. There is too much BS on the internet, with everyone repeating the same paranoia without facts.[/QUOTE]20 years ago it was available very cheaply on Koh Chang island due to be being close to Cambodia and having no roads, and no police force on the Island. Only motorcycle tracks. In modern day that changes since the Island is now developed. So I think going to Cambodia is the right advice.

I tried it on Koh Chang since all the girls in my party were doing it. I found no noticeable results at all, so not being a smoker, I gave it away quickly enough. I noticed it made all the others very lazy to do anything much except smoke and eat. Alcohol has a much greater effect for me, but that is not desirable before a sex workout, as it decreases sensation and sensitivity (a result I certainly don't need). One Thai girl I know quit with her US husband and returned to Thailand, because he became so lethargic and useless doing very little except smoke pot. I guess it does not have the same effect on all people.

Does anybody know if the bars in Nana and Soi Cowboy are open during October 25-29 ? (29th is King's cremation).

[QUOTE=TesterTester;2096793]Does anybody know if the bars in Nana and Soi Cowboy are open during October 25-29 ? (29th is King's cremation).[/QUOTE]I think this was answered last week, just go back a few pages. From what I recall all bars in Nana have been told to shut and I would guess Soi Cowboy would be the same.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2096799]I think this was answered last week, just go back a few pages. From what I recall all bars in Nana have been told to shut and I would guess Soi Cowboy would be the same.[/QUOTE]Yes collect the contact info for your favourite bargirls beforehand, then meet them anytime is convenient to both. Street Walkers will still be available.

Even Crazy House will close for at least 3 days according to a girl that works there (sometimes works when she is desperate).

Thanks for the help!

[QUOTE=XXL;2096334]Hi,

You find them in pharmacy Sukhumvit soi 4 corner on suk side before you turn into Soi 4 before Nana place.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XXL;2096334]Sagamis, including the "L" size, sold at Boots in Pattaya, but often sold out. I wonder if the Okamoto 003 are equivalent. If I'm not mistaken the Sagamis are 0. 028 which rounds up to 0. 03 or something of the sort.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TesterTester;2096793]Does anybody know if the bars in Nana and Soi Cowboy are open during October 25-29 ? (29th is King's cremation).[/QUOTE]Thai friendly and wechat are your friends those days.

Hi,

I will be returning to Bangkok next month to indulge in a longhand fantasy. A foursome with three bi-sexual girls. Any suggestions as o where I might best acquire the fantasy and what hotels would be guest friendly for this group.

Any and all suggestions will be gratefully received and of course a full report will follow.

[QUOTE=TesterTester;2096793]Does anybody know if the bars in Nana and Soi Cowboy are open during October 25-29 ? (29th is King's cremation).[/QUOTE]Get it right. We all heard already the cremation is 26th October. Not 29.

Crazy House and Shark bars in Cowboy will close 25,26, 27 and open evening of 28th. 24th will have to close at midnight.

Anyone looking for a threesome, an ex Suzie Wong experienced expert for licking girl pussy as well as doing guys, is Dtom (very skinny girl), now reported to be working at Play Skool in the Nana Plaza.

Shark Line up today was well ahead of Crazy House. Several very pretty Coyotes. Crazy has never been that good on a Saturday in recent memory. I thought No. 144 (CH) was quite good, tall, slim and pretty, but spoiled by very silly sillies, convex like half coconut shells. Had to remind myself: Look at the beautiful pussy and forget the tits. LOL 164 had good body but spoiled by a plastic looking nose. Some girls had great bodies but soso faces. No one really doing it for me.

Had several choices in Shark for gogo girls or pretty Coyotes. However never took a Coyote in Shark yet. Need to be convinced she is a sure thing worth the money first. I liked numbers 347 as before, number 336, number 333.

I was very fortunate at ST Hotel Asoke Place. They know me. Did not get kicked out of the room after 1 hour with the normal telephone call. Maybe because was raining a lot and not a busy night. Very fortunate since I finally popped at close to the 100 minute mark. Leasurely shower together, DFK and play next, extended DATY, nice BBBJ and then sex in multiple positions. So perhaps less than an hour of actual fucking. LOL In several positions. I jest. Actually no clue how long was the fucking. However total time was about 100 minutes I think. There was a 5 min rest and a 2nd blow job.

In town yesterday from a 10 day trip to Pattaya (reports of the trip are in the Pattaya forum).

I understand Cowboy and Nana will close tonight (Tuesday) at midnight? I have a date with a legit girl tonight. Had hoped to have Cowboy as a backup.

Next, I have to get to BKK by 11:30 AM Thursday. I am at a Sukumvet hotel near Terminal 21 now. Any educated opinions / guesses on when I should get a taxi to the airport to arrive on time?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2097842]

Next, I have to get to BKK by 11:30 AM Thursday. I am at a Sukumvet hotel near Terminal 21 now. Any educated opinions / guesses on when I should get a taxi to the airport to arrive on time?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If I needed to be at the airport at 11.30 AM (presumably this is not your flight departure time) on 26th, given the traffic uncertainty that might occur on that day, I would get in a taxi at my hotel near Terminal 21 at 10.30.

Or get a taxi to Makkasan station and get the Airport Rail Link to be sure of on time arrival.

[QUOTE=EdSetra;2097850]If I needed to be at the airport at 11.30 AM (presumably this is not your flight departure time) on 26th, given the traffic uncertainty that might occur on that day, I would get in a taxi at my hotel near Terminal 21 at 10.30.

Or get a taxi to Makkasan station and get the Airport Rail Link to be sure of on time arrival.[/QUOTE]Alternative is take BTS to Phaya Thai then Airport train from there. Leave around 8 am.

[QUOTE=EdSetra;2097850]If I needed to be at the airport at 11.30 AM (presumably this is not your flight departure time) on 26th, given the traffic uncertainty that might occur on that day, I would get in a taxi at my hotel near Terminal 21 at 10.30.

Or get a taxi to Makkasan station and get the Airport Rail Link to be sure of on time arrival.[/QUOTE]Thanks Ed. I asked the hotel front desk and the girl there said if I leave at 6 AM I would have no problem. If I left at 8 AM I might have a big problem. Of course, no one really knows. I am thinking of checking out of here Wednesday and booking at an airport hotel. For around $150, no mess and no fuss, and I can sleep in.

I am meeting someone at about that time and I cannot be late. Too much explaining to do!

FL, I sent you a PM on a very decent hotel with shuttle bus that is very near the airport. It's also a fraction of the cost you quoted. Normally it will take less than 1 hour to get to either Suvarnabhumi or DMK from the Terminal 21 area but, as we all know, October 26 is a very special day in Thailand.

Thanks for your reports, as always.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2097895]FL, I sent you a PM on a very decent hotel with shuttle bus that is very near the airport. It's also a fraction of the cost you quoted. Normally it will take less than 1 hour to get to either Suvarnabhumi or DMK from the Terminal 21 area but, as we all know, October 26 is a very special day in Thailand.

Thanks for your reports, as always.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I did decide to check out of my current hotel and go to a cheap airport hotel tonight (I had already made the reservation when I got your message). The hotel has free shuttle service, so I can now sleep in not have to worry.

Hello everyone!

This is my first trip report! I've been a long time reader of the forum; Thailand and the UAE, and have used a lot of the suggestions and advice on here to make my experience efficient and fruitful in the past. This was my first trip to Bangkok after some years, some things are the same and some things have changed for the better / worse.

Day 1.

After finishing work and having a nice dinner with some colleagues, a few drinks in, everyone decided that they wanted to head out even though we had a an early start the next morning (Boys will be boys! We headed out to Khao San road as it was near our hotel. We went to one of the larger bars on the strip, you have to go up a flight of fairly large stairs and it's all open air; very nice place given the location. Since most of us are past 30 we decided to stay away from the super backpacker types of bars.

The bar was full of mostly tourists as well as a couple of WG's. I did see one very very good looking WG sitting next to us but the group we were in was larger at this point and I don't think anyone wanted to make the first move without knowing how judgemental the rest of the group was. After a few drinks here we split into a couple of smaller groups and someone suggested that we head across town to Soi Cowboy as it was the first time in BKK for a few people.

A long cab ride later we all arrived at the front entrance of Soi Cowboy and proceeded straight to the back and into Baccara (My suggestion as I know Cowboy relatively well). There was no room on the first or second floor so they seated us up on the third floor, first time for me up there. There were only 4 or 5 ladies dancing topless up there but it was short lived as one of the waitresses found us a large booth on the second floor and down we went! The second floor had many many more ladies, again all topless as is the case with Baccara. Most of them all had boob jobs, most of them not so great. We had and had a couple of drinks here and fended off some of the more direct advances from the ladies. I cannot help but notice that the quality at Baccara has gone down. See further in my TR. What I do like about Baccara is that no one is pushy and it's a good looking place for a first start of the night. They did not make us buy a drink when we walked in at the bar outside, they probably figured we would once we got inside.

We decided to move on so that everyone else could have a nice tour of cowboy.

We went into Shark next, it wasn't too crowded but they had considerably more ladies than at Baccara. We sat on the front right booths facing the stage (They all face the stage anyways) and ordered a round of drinks! The ladies at Shark were much better looking than those at Baccara and we were all pretty happy to sit there through a couple more rounds of drinks. One of the guys in our group ended up buying lady drinks for a couple of the girls and it was great fun! Since I was going to be in BKK for a few more nights I made careful note of the numbers whom I would want to return for the next night.

After Shark we went into Tilac I believe (It was late and we were tired). We had a couple more drinks in there before we decide to call it a night. Nothing to really write home about in Tilac, the ladies were OK but nothing special, not nearly as good as Shark.

On the way out I had to save a friend from walking into Cockatoo!

Day 2.

Marking the end of work for the trip I moved to a hotel on Sukhumvit by the afternoon and took a nice long nap to get ready for the evening. I had a friend in town from Europe who I promised to meet up with later. He came to my hotel lobby and we headed around the corner to Soi Cowboy again (Duty calls when you need to show someone around BKK for the first time! We started at Baccara again, it was around 10:30 pm by now and we went up to the second floor. This time they did make us buy drinks before we went in, weird as he's white? Not being racist just factual.

We went up to the second floor, the first floor was very crowded but there were some good looking ladies on stage but it was very cramped so we couldn't really get a good look. We sat by the bar on the second floor and observed the dancing ladies. Once again the quality was not what I was used to when I last went to BKK but it's a nice place to start the evening. We had a couple of drinks and moved on.

Went into Shark again and it was almost empty aside from a good selection of ladies on stage. We sat up on the left in one of the booths and ordered some drinks. We were approached by a few girls after their stage changes and after the first couple my friend decided to buy lady drink for one fo them. She wasn't super pushy she was nice and polite, wanted us to buy drinks for her friends but we politely said maybe later, that was the truth. After the first lady went away my friend spotted a very attractive girl on stage, looked young and had an amazing body. More on her later. She joined us for a lady drink and was a sweet friendly girl, decent conversation.

Since it was my friend's first time in BKK we couldn't just stay at Cowboy so we moved onto the club scene. We got into a cab to head to Levels, somewhere I've had an all around decent time before and it's not too dodgy. When we got there we were told they were closed but that we should walk down the road a little to Sugar Club. So we did. Went in, paid 300 Bhat to get in, we got a free drink which was alright but it's a bit pricey if you ask me.

Had a few more drinks at Sugar club, there was a mix of WG's and non-WG's and some band from the states with dancers who were terrible. Now by this point we were getting fairly loaded and decided it was time to go somewhere a little more hole on the wall / world-ish. Into another cab and we headed to, wait for it, don't judge me: Shock39- Yes it's a hole in the wall and a stain on humanity, but it can be a lot of fun sometimes.

We got there and paid 200 bhat to get in with a free drink. Walked in and did the customary rounds and settled into a corner near some of the eastern european ladies, one of whom took a liking to me (Not really she could probably smell fear.) And we chatted and bought them a couple of drinks and did a little dancing. At this point I decided to do another round to see what else was available and went over to the bar on the other side of the club and started talking to another Ukrainian lady who was fairly decent looking and good conversation but we didn't make a deal s she wanted a little more than I was willing to part with later in the night. It was getting late so my friend left I did a couple more rounds however didn't settle on anyone and ended up heading home alone, which is fine as I've made stupid decisions in the past and I still had a couple of nights left. There selection was actually fairly decent in Shock that night.

Day 3.

Woke up late as I slept late from the previous night and whatever swill they gave us as whisky wasnt sitting well with me.

Now, I had already decided I wanted to go and get one of two ladies from Shark that I saw the night before. First stop at the drugstore to pick up safety gear and then straight to Cowboy again. I sat down at the bar at the end of cowboy and had a beer and watch people go by before going right into Shark. This time it was very crowded but luckity since I had gone in the last three nights, the waitress recognized me and made some space for me on the right side of the stage. Down I sat and started looking for the ladies I had made a mental note of the nights before! My top choice, the girl that my friend bought a drink for the noght before, the super young looking hot one was on stage! Yes! I made eye contact and a few smiles and motions later she came and sat next to me and I proceeded to buy her a drink as well as the waitress and get chatting. She was sweet and friendly and had a great little body and a very pretty face, a little more Korean or Japanese looking. We went through a couple of rounds before I bar fined her. 600 bhat bar fine and 3000 bhat ST for her. She went and changed into a black jumpsuit which was nice and not very WG looking and we walked back to my hotel. Got to the room and we chatted for a bit, like I said she was sweet and friendly. Then she went off for a shower and I got undressed ready for mine. Both back in bed after our showers and light touching and kissing and then down to an amazing BJ with just the right amount of teeth! She put the condom on and started to ride me, she was small and therefore very tight. I'm not a big buy by any means, average. She rode me cowgirl and reverse cowgirl. Not wanting to finish too soon I lay her down for mish and went right to work getting her a little wetter and moaning just the right amount (Real or fake I didn't really care but she seemed genuine). Had a great finish and we lay there for a while before she went off to shower. The entire session probably lasted about an hour and a half from door to finish. That's fine it was ST and I knew I wanted to go out after. Got her number for the next trip!

After I cleaned up and changed I got into a cab to head to Mixx which was closed and I could hear someone WG's say they were heading to Shock39 - yes I know, again, don't judge me I'm easily entertained. Same deal with 200 bucks to get in and a free drink. This time I stuck to beer as I didn't want the mother of all hangovers the next day! I walked around and saw both the ladies from the night before whom I didn't take, clearly they scorned at me LOL! After one round I saw a wonderful girl whom I'd gone with a few years ago, black haired Russian girl. Made a beeline for her and she remembered me as we'd been with each other a number of times in the past. She looked exactly the same, same great body, tall and the same great GFE personality. Got right into a cab and back to my hotel and we had drinks in the room and chatted for quite a while catching up on the last few years. She's really a nice girl and great conversation without any communication barriers. Off she went for a shower and into bed after. Pretty much the same great experience as the past, CBJ that felt like a Dyson! She rode me really well while doing keegles, that makes it hard to last, and I didn't very long. Both of us fell asleep. I woke up a few hours later with her rubbing the guy downstairs, she went right to another CBJ and then right back on top of me, thsi time for a lot longer. I lay her on her back and started really getting into her in mish and enjoyed myself thoroughly, taking my time this time all the while she was keegling, felt amazing! Finished in mish and fell asleep and she went to shower. Saw her off and got her new number, will give her a call next time I'm in town as she really is great company and never disappoints!

That's pretty much the gist of the trip, it was a short one and I hadn't been the BKK in a few years and wanted to stay in a relative comfort zone this time. I could probably have done more and gone to newer and / or better places but I'll leave that for the next trip. Just wanted to have a nice easy time this trip. Planning to return in the next couple of months so I'll be a little more adventurous next time and hit up some of the MP's in the day and some of the smaller clubs.

Till next time! Cheers!

[QUOTE=FlyBoy83;2098245]
A long cab ride later we all arrived at the front entrance of Soi Cowboy and proceeded straight to the back and into Baccara (My suggestion as I know Cowboy relatively well). There was no room on the first or second floor so they seated us up on the third floor, first time for me up there. There were only 4 or 5 ladies dancing topless up there but it was short lived as one of the waitresses found us a large booth on the second floor and down we went! The second floor had many many more ladies, again all topless as is the case with Baccara. Most of them all had boob jobs, most of them not so great. We had and had a couple of drinks here and fended off some of the more direct advances from the ladies. I cannot help but notice that the quality at Baccara has gone down. See further in my TR. What I do like about Baccara is that no one is pushy and it's a good looking place for a first start of the night. They did not make us buy a drink when we walked in at the bar outside, they probably figured we would once we got inside.

We went into Shark next, it wasn't too crowded but they had considerably more ladies than at Baccara. We sat on the front right booths facing the stage (They all face the stage anyways) and ordered a round of drinks! The ladies at Shark were much better looking than those at Baccara and we were all pretty happy to sit there through a couple more rounds of drinks. One of the guys in our group ended up buying lady drinks for a couple of the girls and it was great fun! Since I was going to be in BKK for a few more nights I made careful note of the numbers whom I would want to return for the next night.

After Shark we went into Tilac I believe (It was late and we were tired). We had a couple more drinks in there before we decide to call it a night. Nothing to really write home about in Tilac, the ladies were OK but nothing special, not nearly as good as Shark.
[/QUOTE]In Baccara, you have to realise it is the uglier group of girls with horrible boob jobs that work on the 2nd floor. Still it is very much a high surgeries bar. I do agree that Shark has some better looking girls (and Tilac is ordinary). You should have checked out the skinny nudie girls in Crazy House around the corner.

For Shark, you failed to make mention of the difference between the Coyote girls and the gogo girls. The Coyotes have 3 or 4 very pretty girls, but it is harder to see if they have boobs or not (too covered up). Anyway we can conclude from your BF price, you must have taken a gogo girl wearing a see-through outfit. You could mention if she had A-cups or the-cups and if they were natural, tall or short (you say "little") since you gave so much other detail. LOL Did she have a name at all? Or maybe that is secret? My young girl in there is called Patty and my older girl is called Maa (but still very hot). Also I know Noi since many years (from Sheba days) but she just started at Shark, last Saturday I think.

[QUOTE=FlyBoy83;2098245]We went into Shark next, it wasn't too crowded but they had considerably more ladies than at Baccara. [/QUOTE]I've never been to Shark in Bangkok since Shark in Pattaya doesn't have top tier girls for my taste. However, if there are more girls than Baccara I'll definitely have to check it out.

Now I'm curious. Using Baccara as a benchmark, which other BKK gogo bars, regardless of quality, have more girls than Baccara?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2098471]I've never been to Shark in Bangkok since Shark in Pattaya doesn't have top tier girls for my taste. However, if there are more girls than Baccara I'll definitely have to check it out.

Now I'm curious. Using Baccara as a benchmark, which other BKK gogo bars, regardless of quality, have more girls than Baccara?[/QUOTE]No no, Shark does not have any where near the number of girls in Baccara, they also have less ugly ones, and definitely miles less really horrible tit jobs. LOL.

As I said before, some of the Coyotes look outstanding, and I can't find that in Baccara, maybe because the Stage in Baccara is too densely packed to find the best girls anyway. I am aware Baccara has some outstanding girls (in previous visits). One such stunner showed no interest in me whatsoever, I think was keen to pursue a young handsome spunk (actually a Farang) that she probably knew already. We don't have so many LB lookalikes in Shark. LOL There are some not so great tits jobs in Shark but not excessively so. I don't even notice an over abundance of nose jobs, although I have seen some. For the Shark gogo girls, I only found about 2 of them are to my taste, so most possibly someone else's taste. 3 or 4 Coyotes really hot looking at least, but you have the risk of a steep BF for those.

No need to compare Shark Pattaya with Shark Bangkok at all. I have no clue if there is any similarity. Similarly Suzie Wong in the two locations may have no resemblance whatsoever.

Major Warning. Shark lady drinks are very expensive at just over 200 Baht. It could be the Coyote girl drinks are higher, I am not sure. I think Crazy Cats may have very expensive Lady Drinks as well.

Lighthouse is a sister bar to Shark, so might be worth a look. Years ago it was called Sheba (at that location) and was my favourite bar at the time (pre Crazy House opening). Doll House and Long Gun were pretty horrible at last visits so nothing like they once were. Tilac has always been substandard for looks for my taste. Maybe just not enough skinny girls with pretty faces. I did a very tall skinny girl from Tilac once, but I dare not say she was actually really pretty. Only the best available at the time, given plenty of pudgy ones.

I have been bored with CH in recent times. The new talent had some major defects (like the horror sillies) and my favourites are generally missing. I just await the arrival of some new stunner or the return of some old favourite. Very cautious to try any new girls lately. Girls I have known for years are continually out performing any new tries, by significant margins.

Crazy Cats has some reasonable looking Coyote girls but the barfines are 2 K for all girls. Ouch! Need to try some very small bars like Cactus and Toy Bar again to see if any talent has showed up lately. Good looking girls seem to come and go from very small bars.

Did anyone actually get a fuck today? LOL.

Should I risk to go looking for one? I am a little scared to ask my regulars in case they think it is unseemly.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2098520]Did anyone actually get a fuck today? LOL.[/QUOTE]Just came back from a quick walk around Pattaya. I see 1000's of lonely men just walking around. Very few Thai girls with them. Thai girls are with their real Thai boyfriends tonight.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2098574]Just came back from a quick walk around Pattaya. I see 1000's of lonely men just walking around. Very few Thai girls with them. Thai girls are with their real Thai boyfriends tonight.[/QUOTE]Look on Thai Friendly. They are all on there trying to find a date for the night and you guys are walking the streets trying to find them. LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2098520]Did anyone actually get a fuck today? LOL.

Should I risk to go looking for one? I am a little scared to ask my regulars in case they think it is unseemly.[/QUOTE]Look on the websites and the apps. They are all there lookimg for dates. Smooci also has 30'ladies working now.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2098621]Look on the websites and the apps. They are all there lookimg for dates.[/QUOTE]Smooci has 30 ladies.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2098620]Look on Thai Friendly. They are all on there trying to find a date for the night and you guys are walking the streets trying to find them. LOL.[/QUOTE]I never have to walk streets looking for girls. I had 5 gogo girls on Line who wanted to hook up today and tonight. I was out looking for food. Turned out to be a much tougher challenge than finding girls with all the full service massage parlors that remained open.

Hi,

I am sure this query has been addressed on multiple occasions but I do ask your patience while I make the inquiry below from my fellow mongers, particularly those who have recent and up-to-date information. I am looking forward to a trip to Bangkok in a few weeks time and I want to get together with three bi girls. I do want to invite them to my hotel room.

Any suggestions as to where I should go to guarantee this would be enormously appreciated and I will provided a detailed report after the event.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=StarMariner;2098704]Hi,

Any suggestions as to where I should go to guarantee this would be enormously appreciated and I will provided a detailed report after the event.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]The cliff notes version is 1. Go to a bar and ask for a girl goes with other girls, 2. Ask her to pick a friend, 3. Have them make out with each other right there. Alternately pick a girl you like and as her directly and if she says yes, go to steps 2 and three. Repeat as needed to get up to your required number. You also can consider to go to Eden club, which requires you to take 2+ girls.

[QUOTE=StarMariner;2098704]Hi,

I am sure this query has been addressed on multiple occasions but I do ask your patience while I make the inquiry below from my fellow mongers, particularly those who have recent and up-to-date information. I am looking forward to a trip to Bangkok in a few weeks time and I want to get together with three bi girls. I do want to invite them to my hotel room.

Any suggestions as to where I should go to guarantee this would be enormously appreciated and I will provided a detailed report after the event.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I recently posted a report where 3 gogo girls in Shark (all ex Suzi Wong) offered me a 4 some. Pat, Maa, and Noi. I don't think they are exactly lesbian but do have experience working in 3 somes or 4 somes. Some of them have performed in Lesbian shows at SW. If I had the energy and the spare money, I would take it. A few years back I was doing it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2098520]Did anyone actually get a fuck today? LOL.

Should I risk to go looking for one? I am a little scared to ask my regulars in case they think it is unseemly.[/QUOTE]This reply is a day late, of course, but as a matter of social/cultural interest I can report I was contacted yesterday by one regular (29 year old) freelancer and two (mid-20's) go-go dancers I'd only been with once before who wanted to meet me for a P4P exchange. I decided on a non P4P 20 year old who I have been seeing for several weeks now. She came over about 3PM, stayed all night and I had a wonderful unseemly fuck with her. As was the case with the other girls who Lined me, there was not one word mentioned about the King's funeral or the assumed downbeat mood of the day.

On the other hand, I see on the Line Timelines of a few other go-go dancers and freelancers I know updates with photos of them from yesterday wearing black, holding photos of the late King and gathering with other mourners near the Grand Palace.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2098627]I never have to walk streets looking for girls. I had 5 gogo girls on Line who wanted to hook up today and tonight. I was out looking for food. Turned out to be a much tougher challenge than finding girls with all the full service massage parlors that remained open.[/QUOTE]Yes I was happy to have my fridge stocked up.

My LINE girls are generally more conservative, unless very short of money indeed. They tend to wait for me to call and offer to hook up. Not sure I need 5 girls all trying to get me on the same day. Nice to be popular though.

[QUOTE=FlyBoy83;2098245]
We started at Baccara again, it was around 10:30 pm by now and we went up to the second floor. This time they did make us buy drinks before we went in, weird as he's white? Not being racist just factual.
[/QUOTE]This has nothing to do with skin color. On busy nights they want all customers to buy a drink first.

I return to Bangkok next week after 3 or 4 years of not visiting the Capital, will a taximeter use the meter from BKK to Nana Hotel or is it a case of agreeing the fare beforehand?

If I remember right it should be in the 350-400 thb fare range to Soi 4.

TIA.

[QUOTE=Gus69;2098891]I return to Bangkok next week after 3 or 4 years of not visiting the Capital, will a taximeter use the meter from BKK to Nana Hotel or is it a case of agreeing the fare beforehand?

If I remember right it should be in the 350-400 thb fare range to Soi 4.

TIA.[/QUOTE]I you go by meter is should be well under 300 Baht, maybe 250 at most (depending on traffic), given Soi 4 is not my typical destination. However if you add on the tollway charges will be more like 350 I guess.

I am sure if was late at night and a Thai passenger they would get off the expressway at Ekkamai or similar to avoid the tolls and possible end up with a cost of well under 250 Baht.

I have not had a taxi not use the meter from airport in recent memory. I get a taxi from departure level to save airport 50 Baht surcharge and save time. Key point is not to go with a driver that is not sitting in his taxi. The more the guy pursues me, the more I don't want him. Just can't be bothered with the hassle of haggling with him over a price. The drivers sitting in the taxi when I approach, will just turn on the meter automatically.

Maybe it is not same for everyone. I speak Thai (could make a difference).

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2098863]This has nothing to do with skin color. On busy nights they want all customers to buy a drink first.[/QUOTE]I sincerely doubt that. Not all customers are absolutely equal. Well known Japanese customers will walk straight in, I am quite sure. They just decide which customers they don't wish to alienate.

Personally I don't want to buy a drink before seeing if there is a good seat available on the first floor. Upstairs girls just don't cut it for me. Same applies at Crazy and Shark. I am not going to be relegated to upstairs.

[QUOTE=Gus69;2098891]I return to Bangkok next week after 3 or 4 years of not visiting the Capital, will a taximeter use the meter from BKK to Nana Hotel or is it a case of agreeing the fare beforehand?

If I remember right it should be in the 350-400 thb fare range to Soi 4.

TIA.[/QUOTE]If you can. I'd take the airport rail link lot quicker and cheaper. You just can't have a ton of baggage.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2098930]I sincerely doubt that. Not all customers are absolutely equal. Well known Japanese customers will walk straight in, I am quite sure. They just decide which customers they don't wish to alienate.

Personally I don't want to buy a drink before seeing if there is a good seat available on the first floor. Upstairs girls just don't cut it for me. Same applies at Crazy and Shark. I am not going to be relegated to upstairs.[/QUOTE]Well, I would agree with Mogwai's wording of it in his earlier reply. Generally speaking, the overall reason for the door man or servers at Bacarra to point to the outside bar when you approach the doorway indicating you need to buy a drink first is because they "want" you to buy one before you go inside, walk around looking for a seat on the lower flioor, not find one, not want to go upstairs (as you don't), and accomplish nothing for the bar except bottle neck the aisle and block the view of others while you circle the bottom floor stage and eyeball the girls. They "want" you to have already bought a drink so you will resign yourself to at least taking a seat in an otherwise undesirable location until you finish it. Meanwhile, you might buy another or spot a girl worthy of a Lady Drink anyway.

In that regard it isn't generally about skin color or desirable customers vs undesirable customers.

But "wanting" isn't the same as "getting" and they will certainly ignore that expectation for some. Simply recognizing you as a regular, reliable customer might be enough for the doorman to let you in without buying a drink first while others are required to.

I don't believe I fit the ethnic or skin color profile to be considered a potential waste of their space or whatever but I have been directed to the outside bar to buy a drink first on busy nights there. But several times I have just looked at the doorman a moment, smiled, and when or if he recognizes me as a customer who has been dropping in from time to time for years he gestures for me to go right in.

I arrived yesterday, Oct 10 midday. I was expecting closures for the Kings Funeral. I was surprised that even the 7-11's and Family Marts closed. Bangkok was eerily quiet late last night and early this morning. Sukhumvit was dark and deserted. Tonight Soi Cowboy and probably Nana, remain closed. (A few of the Soi Cowboy bars were having repairs done.) Many business remain closed. But the massage parlors on Soi 23 are open. Luckily, I have contacts in Bangkok. One has come over and is keeping me company. Hopefully, the debauchery returns to normal tomorrow.

Hi all,

About five of us are going to Asia for the first time (some first time leaving the US) and have been doing a lot of research. The one thing we're not sure about is pricing. We are inexperienced and have saved a bit so are trying to messing up the local economy by over paying (too much. I'm sure we'll get scammed at least once).

I've found some prices for BJ / HJ bars. I think we'll start here as it seems pretty organized and simple and we have no idea what we're doing.

These should be 500 for HJ and 1000 baht for BJ.

-Toy Bar.

-Wood Bar.

-Magic Table.

If we go to any of the bars / strip clubs on Soi Cowboy and want FS then the breakout is:

LD: 150.

Barfine: 500 - 1000.

FS: 2,000 for ST.

Quick question here: At a stripclub / gogo bar if we just want a BJ do they have rooms or do we have to leave the spot?

When we head to the islands is it easy to tell which massage places are FS?

We are heading there in Dec so it'll be awhile but I'll do a full report.

[QUOTE=Gus69;2098891]I return to Bangkok next week after 3 or 4 years of not visiting the Capital, will a taximeter use the meter from BKK to Nana Hotel or is it a case of agreeing the fare beforehand?

If I remember right it should be in the 350-400 thb fare range to Soi 4.[/QUOTE]Some taxi drivers will ask for 500 or maybe 600 baht flat fee. If that happens, then you need to be firm, nice, smile, and say "meter". Some ex-pats I've met complained they've been ripped off at the airport. I've have always gotten them to use their meters. Although these days, I've read that the Thai authorities have taken steps to reign in these rip off taxis. The percentage of rip off taxis should be less than previous years.

You taxi fare range is close. It is 50 baht surcharge (for the official taxis), plus 2 tollway charges, plus 200 something on the meter.

You can avoid the 50 baht surcharge by going upstairs to the arrival level, but they've installed one way turnstiles (is it still there?) Then you have to hop over a short fence with your luggage, which I refuse to do.

If traffic is light, you can avoid the tollway charges and have a smaller meter charge by going up Sukhumvit (I think via Rama IX). It will take a little longer though. With heavy traffic, it will take a lot longer. I tried that once, but the taxi driver played dumb and asked, "how do I get there?" WTF! Taxi driver wants to go via the tollways because it's faster with higher meter charges.

You can save money and use the airport rail link. But you still have to take a taxi from the rail station. After a 22 hour flight, I don't like to do that.

Note: if you take the taxi via the tollways, you will turn left into Sukhumvit (Thais drive on the left hand side). Quickest way to get to Nana hotel is to make the taxi stop at the intersection of Sukhumvit/Soi Nana, and cross the street and walk about 100 meters to your hotel. If you want the taxi to drop you off in front of your hotel, you need to make a detour due to the no right turn rule and all the way one streets. I believe there is a short detour which goes through a hospital parking lot, and a long detour path which you arrive via Soi Nana from the other side. Some taxi drivers might try to take that really long detour.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2098863]This has nothing to do with skin color. On busy nights they want all customers to buy a drink first.[/QUOTE]From my very limited observations, I've seen East Asians walk in without buying a drink, and I've seen White guys be forced to buy a drink.

I don't like to go there because it seems you can't get a good seat on the first level.

Are Indians still denied entry into Baccarra? Or are they charged cover charges?

[QUOTE=StarMariner;2098704]I want to get together with three bi girls. I do want to invite them to my hotel room.

Any suggestions as to where I should go to guarantee this would be enormously appreciated[/QUOTE]I'm not sure where you can get true bi-sexual girls, but you can get girls to perform lesbian shows.

The guarantee place will be the Eden Club. PSE effort. But the problem is that the girls are older and marginal looking. You will have to pay extra to take the girls to your hotel room.

Also, you should be able to get the girls to do lesbian stuff at the PSE massage parlors, such as Tulip and Snow White. Just ask before you choose the girls. Problem is most of the girls will be marginal looking.

For younger, cuter girls, you should go to the go-go bars. You will probably need to talk to many girls. Maybe ask the mamasan. Make sure you ask all the right questions. Problem is that some of the girls will say yes at the bar, and not perform at the hotel room. You just have to keep on doing it, until you find your list of submissive girls.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2099102]From my very limited observations, I've seen East Asians walk in without buying a drink, and I've seen White guys be forced to buy a drink.

I don't like to go there because it seems you can't get a good seat on the first level.

[/QUOTE]I'm a white guy who has been waved in without buying a drink outside on busy nights when others are directed to the outside bar to buy one first, even East Asians. But the doorman still tries to send me over to the outside bar first. I don't know for sure if they (there is more than one doorman, of course) change their mind and wave me in anyway because they recognize me as an occasional customer or simply because I stand there for a moment thinking it over and appear to be about to change my mind about going inside at all. But they often do change their mind. I am fairly certain it has nothing to do with whether or not I am known to buy a lot of drinks inside because the doormen would probably never know that. But they would have seen me enter several times previously and sometimes walk out with a barfined girl.

There are times when I don't bother with the stand-off and just buy a drink outside anyway. In some ways it is more convenient to do that and offers its own rewards. I will get a drink much faster, be able to control the payment and a reasonable tip issue, no monkey business with that, and I find that holding a drink in your hand when the place is packed gives you a visible ticket to roam on foot from area to area and level to level without having to deal with the sit here, sit here, sit here insistence from the servers who want to be the one to bring you a drink and get a tip.

Another thing is, I think the idea of only wanting a seat on the first level in places like Baccara and Crazy House is a somewhat silly concern and, in my experience, misses a rather obvious better use of the higher levels if scanning and engaging the talent up close and personal to decide if you want to barfine one is your primary goal in entering that bar (that would generally be me) rather than sitting there for a long time buying several drinks (that would almost never be me). The upper levels in those bars is where the lady's toilet is located. If you find yourself relegated to those upper levels due to the crowd, just position yourself near where virtually every girl in the joint will pass by or well within your view on her way to or from the toilet and throw the most interesting ones a big smile and nod. There is no rule forbidding the girls dancing on the lower level stage from chatting with a customer on the upper level in this way, or even sitting for a Lady Drink if that is necessary to chat further.

For instance, it is difficult to check out the girls behind the front row of the onstage line up on the lower level of Baccara. But not when they come down from that stage and walk right past you sitting on a couch on the upper level on their way to and from the toilet. And you know the bit in the bars, particularly infamous in Crazy House, where you buy the girl a Lady Drink as soon as she gets off the stage, she takes a sip and says, "I go to toilet, hon", but you never see her again except after she has donned her street clothes and is on her way out the door with some other dude? Well, the upper level where the toilet is located is where you can turn out to be that other dude, maybe without buying her a Lady Drink at all. LOL. I have met, engaged in chat and barfined Baccara and CH girls from the lower level stages that way. More than once or twice.

June at tulip. 100%bisexual and nothing phases her. She loves to eat pussy, her words not mine. Get her to select someone else. Won't win a model contest but your pornstar fantasies will come true. Mine did. She spent a good ten minutes licking Anne to orgasm in my session. For hardcore pse lesbian stuff as well.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2099104]I'm not sure where you can get true bi-sexual girls, but you can get girls to perform lesbian shows.

The guarantee place will be the Eden Club. PSE effort. But the problem is that the girls are older and marginal looking. You will have to pay extra to take the girls to your hotel room.

Also, you should be able to get the girls to do lesbian stuff at the PSE massage parlors, such as Tulip and Snow White. Just ask before you choose the girls. Problem is most of the girls will be marginal looking.

For younger, cuter girls, you should go to the go-go bars. You will probably need to talk to many girls. Maybe ask the mamasan. Make sure you ask all the right questions. Problem is that some of the girls will say yes at the bar, and not perform at the hotel room. You just have to keep on doing it, until you find your list of submissive girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Supmam;2099144]June at tulip. 100%bisexual and nothing phases her. She loves to eat pussy, her words not mine. Get her to select someone else. Won't win a model contest but your pornstar fantasies will come true. Mine did. She spent a good ten minutes licking Anne to orgasm in my session. For hardcore pse lesbian stuff as well.[/QUOTE]You are right about going to Tulip for a true lesbian / PSE session. I have had multiple sessions with Ying and Golf and also Phrao and Sindi and have never been disappointed. Real professionals eager to please. In my experience if you are looking for consistently good performance and attitude you need to chose a venue like Tulip. If you are looking for young stunners at the go go bars I think you will be wasting a lot of time and money for a mediocre to poor session.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2099126]I'm a white guy who has been waved in without buying a drink outside on busy nights when others are directed to the outside bar to buy one first, even East Asians. But the doorman still tries to send me over to the outside bar first. I don't know for sure if they (there is more than one doorman, of course) change their mind and wave me in anyway because they recognize me as an occasional customer or simply because I stand there for a moment thinking it over and appear to be about to change my mind about going inside at all. But they often do change their mind. I am fairly certain it has nothing to do with whether or not I am known to buy a lot of drinks inside because the doormen would probably never know that. But they would have seen me enter several times previously and sometimes walk out with a barfined girl.
[/QUOTE]I think it is a safe assumption that they recognise you as a customer where in my case they would not at Baccara. I have BFed perhaps 4 different girls from Baccara, but is a very long time ago. I was actually very lucky that I don't recall any of them being duds, and some got repeated. One had an exceedingly loose pussy (and yet no child as far as I remember) but performed pretty good. I can't see her being that popular for Japanese customers to repeat, with pussy not at all tight.

The doorman are expected to remember customers, even if not all that frequent. In a Long Gun visit, I found myself to be very well known by doorman and inside staff, without having attended for years. They remembered me better than I could remember them when it came to mamasans and similar.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2099097]
You can avoid the 50 baht surcharge by going upstairs to the arrival level, but they've installed one way turnstiles (is it still there?) Then you have to hop over a short fence with your luggage, which I refuse to do.
[/QUOTE]Yes it is. I lift my luggage over the fence, and then walk through the one way turnstile in the wrong direction which is possible if rotate the turnstile to position where there is a gap, and assuming you are not too huge at hips / ass level. LOL I am a little overweight but well short of Obese.

It is not so much paying the 50 Baht that concerns me, it is the bureaucracy involved and time wasted waiting in a queue in line for the taxi. That could be 10 minutes wait at busy times, maybe more. Thais do everything inefficiently. On departure level, no wait at all, and I have a choice of which taxi/driver appeals to me.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2099097]
You can save money and use the airport rail link. But you still have to take a taxi from the rail station. After a 22 hour flight, I don't like to do that.[/QUOTE]You don't have to take a taxi from the railway station. You can either take the MRT (underground) from Makkasan or the BTS (skytrain) from Phaya Thai.

27 Oct I had been told the Bangkok Bars would be closed and alcohol sales not allowed (still). So we decided to go to T Det-99 in Saphan Kwai (Sutthisan Road) not far from BTS Ari I think.

Strangely the Thai bars were open and selling Alcohol, although they were very quiet, and not that many girls. The dancing on the table tops was extremely light on, and the mamasan LB suggested that the dancing would return to normal on 1 Nov.

The mamasan was trying very hard to push certain girls on us. I was trying to resist strongly as I normally like to choose. LOL Choosing would be tricky of course as was very dark in there, especially when not accustomed to the low light. I didn't like most suggested girls too much due to being allergic to high levels of "Sanyagum" (surgeries).

I decided to stop the hassling by selecting a girl. However very difficult due to low lighting as I mentioned. I called over a girl that had given me an immense smile on entering, not exactly pretty, just not too ugly and clearly all natural. She took to me like a house on fire and was soon cuddling up and playing around a bit like a naughty monkey. LOL.

BKK Dog had also picked a girl, and I could see she was prettier and looked to have a good body too, maybe. With my girl I had hardly seen the body at all. She wasn't fat thighed, but I had no clue if the covered body was really any good at all. She was quite short. The girls to not get up for dancing so this made it all the harder to see if bodies were any good. Normally I prefer to she girls dance on stage under good lighting and as scantily clad as possible. It is not easy to check out the figure of a girl sitting next to you unless you start molesting big time.

The bill was quite reasonable, as pay a lot less for drinks and food than would in a cowboy bar including drinks for the girl. Food menu was in Thai script and quite extensive, (difficult to read in low light). First up I ordered "Puu Phat Phong Karee" (stir fried crab in yellow curry powder) Had to change to prawn as they had no crab. We also had Cashews and French fries.

Fee for a girl ST is 2500 Baht which includes BF, and ST room charge (300 paid by girl to the ST Hotel). ST is only 1 hour though at the ST Hotel.

Spotted a really stunning surgeries girl, with acceptable nose job, but really bad half coconut shell like bolt-ONS. I made a wise-crack about LB looks to my girl, and she commented that yes some of the dancers maybe actually ladyboys, possiblty post-op, since she mentioned the cutting off of the dick (maybe just a joke. I can't say). So I can't say I spotted and dancing girl that was a LB for certain, but felt slightly unsure.

My girl turned out to be a Chiang Rai farm girl, with very little experience, aged 25, worked in T Det only 2 weeks as previously factory only paid about 300 Baht per day. Very low English ability (almost none). Never fucked a Farang in her life. For some reason she seemed to like Farangs a lot. Hard to fathom. Probably she had bad experiences with Thai guys. In the end decided to take a major non-cautious gamble and BF her purely as she seemed to have a good attitude (a very often misleading thing).

As one would expect, for a girl of very low experience, she did not know much at all about sex. With clothes off, I could see her body was way below the standard I expect from bar girls, but not a total disaster area. Tits rather pancake style. It appeared she had never experienced DATY, but took to it very well. After I was getting tired of DATY, I was about to change, and the girl brazenly pushes my head back down there. WTF? She indicates "Naam yang mai taek" literally "her waters have not yet broken". A euphemism for no cum as yet. So I had to persist and after maybe 30 to 40 minutes she finally made it. The time left in the room was starting to get low. Ha ha. So I tried to tongue kiss her. Nothing doing. She never has done that before. LOL She likes to kiss the nose. LOL Ask for a BJ. She has never done that before either. She claims Thai boys don't ask for BJ, they just fuck straight off. I ask her how come she wanted me to lick her clit for so long but is not wanting to return the service. She does not know how to, is her only excuse. Okay So had to wank myself up (she was not good at it) while fingering her pussy (partially resisted).

She relaxed her legs beautifully well for the fuck part, but somehow her pussy did not have the right feel for me at the deeper levels. Don't know why. So was not a great feeling pussy for the fuck. All up a pretty much disaster fuck, as one might expect, with so little knowledge and experience, and bad luck the pussy fit just not quite right for me. Not all pussies are equal. LOL I have tight girls and not so tight girls, but have to feel good at the deeper levels.

I have to remind myself of girl selection criteria for a fuck that I should not relax too much, ideally.

1. Pretty Face.

2. Great curvy slim body, with tits preferably having been seen uncovered or groped. Need to have seen the girl properly in a standing position.

3. Fun loving, not to serious, and showing keenness. I guess the girl passed this criteria.

4. Several years of extensive sex experience.

5. Plenty of experience fucking Farangs ideally, so not dick scared.

6. Knows how to give BBBJs.

7. Willing to give a sample tongue kissing in the bar, even if a bit surreptitiously.

8. For absolute stunners, some criteria could be relaxed a little like "experience with Farangs", due to possibly being worth the risk in case of getting lucky to find an exceptional girl.

I remind myself, that for many years I had mostly bad experiences with Nataree girls, because they were mostly inexperienced farm girls sometimes from Myanmar, they were contract debt girls, forced to do it, and so not really into it, etc. The more experienced girls in the fishbowl were better. I have to remind me that I am not so horny an individual, that any girl will do. They have to know how to make a good sex session, how to move their body, etc. Have to know how to BBBJ and tongue kiss. Not easy to find in Thai oriented Soapies except for more experienced girls. All my favourite girls have years of experience. They know what has to be done to turn me on a lot, even the relatively shy one.

So I ask myself, how could I take a girl who really only passed one of the criteria with flying colours? Brain fade. LOL Unfucked for a few days influencing me.

Tonight the rectification. I look forward to one of my super sexy super expert super experienced long time favourite girls, who prefers Farangs, preferably not too small. A girl that has been fabulous from the very first time with her. Often she has not had a fuck since the last time I saw her.

BKK Dog report that T Det at one time had naked girl lap dances for 100 Baht per go in the past. This has been stamped out since police raids. Why do the police have to spoil the fun? What is so bad about girls being naked? Works well at Crazy House, a Police "affiliated" bar, I think.

T Det remains mostly a curiosity for me. The prices are good, but girls are mostly for Thai taste, and so nothing drags me back there in a big hurry. Some pretty faces, but some of those girls has odd shaped bodies, due to either pudge or surgeries.

Why do girls work in a lower class place like this? If they were really top class they could be in a Coyote Club for Thais or a Soapy. Some of the girls have friends that work there. So they don't want to go into a Cowboy bar with no friends for moral support. Maybe they can't speak English. Perhaps they are able to avoid customers they don't like. Also they have probably fucked plenty of Thais but lack farang experience (not a good thing).

[QUOTE=Supmam;2099144]June at tulip. 100%bisexual and nothing phases her. She loves to eat pussy, her words not mine. Get her to select someone else. Won't win a model contest but your pornstar fantasies will come true. Mine did. She spent a good ten minutes licking Anne to orgasm in my session. For hardcore pse lesbian stuff as well.[/QUOTE]Good performer, June, but too hard on the eyes for my taste. Late 30's, more than one kid, and it shows. Anne looks great from the back, but again, lots of baby damage. I'm becoming a bit pickier looks wise as I enter my 50's. Just not interested in a 35 up gal with mommy body. Then again, I am not interested in a stunning 22 year old who does not perform. Finding a mid-20's who looks good, has a killer body, and will rim, CIM, A+, etc etc is a unicorn these days. It's a real quandary actually and has led to me partaking very little these days. Frustrating really. I miss the old days of Mango and Snow when the gals were actually attractive and fun.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2099267]27 Oct I had been told the Bangkok Bars would be closed and alcohol sales not allowed (still). So we decided to go to T Det-99 in Saphan Kwai (Sutthisan Road) not far from BTS Ari I think.

Strangely the Thai bars were open and selling Alcohol, although they were very quiet, and not that many girls. The dancing on the table tops was extremely light on, and the mamasan LB suggested that the dancing would return to normal on 1 Nov.

The mamasan was trying very hard to push certain girls on us. I was trying to resist strongly as I normally like to choose. LOL Choosing would be tricky of course as was very dark in there, especially when not accustomed to the low light. I didn't like most suggested girls too much due to being allergic to high levels of "Sanyagum" (surgeries).

I decided to stop the hassling by selecting a girl. However very difficult due to low lighting as I mentioned. I called over a girl that had given me an immense smile on entering, not exactly pretty, just not too ugly and clearly all natural. She took to me like a house on fire and was soon cuddling up and playing around a bit like a naughty monkey. LOL.

BKK Dog had also picked a girl, and I could see she was prettier and looked to have a good body too, maybe. With my girl I had hardly seen the body at all. She wasn't fat thighed, but I had no clue if the covered body was really any good at all. She was quite short. The girls to not get up for dancing so this made it all the harder to see if bodies were any good. Normally I prefer to she girls dance on stage under good lighting and as scantily clad as possible. It is not easy to check out the figure of a girl sitting next to you unless you start molesting big time.

The bill was quite reasonable, as pay a lot less for drinks and food than would in a cowboy bar including drinks for the girl. Food menu was in Thai script and quite extensive, (difficult to read in low light). First up I ordered "Puu Phat Phong Karee" (stir fried crab in yellow curry powder) Had to change to prawn as they had no crab. We also had Cashews and French fries.

Fee for a girl ST is 2500 Baht which includes BF, and ST room charge (300 paid by girl to the ST Hotel). ST is only 1 hour though at the ST Hotel.

Spotted a really stunning surgeries girl, with acceptable nose job, but really bad half coconut shell like bolt-ONS. I made a wise-crack about LB looks to my girl, and she commented that yes some of the dancers maybe actually ladyboys, possiblty post-op, since she mentioned the cutting off of the dick (maybe just a joke. I can't say). So I can't say I spotted and dancing girl that was a LB for certain, but felt slightly unsure.

My girl turned out to be a Chiang Rai farm girl, with very little experience, aged 25, worked in T Det only 2 weeks as previously factory only paid about 300 Baht per day. Very low English ability (almost none). Never fucked a Farang in her life. For some reason she seemed to like Farangs a lot. Hard to fathom. Probably she had bad experiences with Thai guys. In the end decided to take a major non-cautious gamble and BF her purely as she seemed to have a good attitude (a very often misleading thing).

As one would expect, for a girl of very low experience, she did not know much at all about sex. With clothes off, I could see her body was way below the standard I expect from bar girls, but not a total disaster area. Tits rather pancake style. It appeared she had never experienced DATY, but took to it very well. After I was getting tired of DATY, I was about to change, and the girl brazenly pushes my head back down there. WTF? She indicates "Naam yang mai taek" literally "her waters have not yet broken". A euphemism for no cum as yet. So I had to persist and after maybe 30 to 40 minutes she finally made it. The time left in the room was starting to get low. Ha ha. So I tried to tongue kiss her. Nothing doing. She never has done that before. LOL She likes to kiss the nose. LOL Ask for a BJ. She has never done that before either. She claims Thai boys don't ask for BJ, they just fuck straight off. I ask her how come she wanted me to lick her clit for so long but is not wanting to return the service. She does not know how to, is her only excuse. Okay So had to wank myself up (she was not good at it) while fingering her pussy (partially resisted).

She relaxed her legs beautifully well for the fuck part, but somehow her pussy did not have the right feel for me at the deeper levels. Don't know why. So was not a great feeling pussy for the fuck. All up a pretty much disaster fuck, as one might expect, with so little knowledge and experience, and bad luck the pussy fit just not quite right for me. Not all pussies are equal. LOL I have tight girls and not so tight girls, but have to feel good at the deeper levels.

I have to remind myself of girl selection criteria for a fuck that I should not relax too much, ideally.

1. Pretty Face.

2. Great curvy slim body, with tits preferably having been seen uncovered or groped. Need to have seen the girl properly in a standing position.

3. Fun loving, not to serious, and showing keenness. I guess the girl passed this criteria.

4. Several years of extensive sex experience.

5. Plenty of experience fucking Farangs ideally, so not dick scared.

6. Knows how to give BBBJs.

7. Willing to give a sample tongue kissing in the bar, even if a bit surreptitiously.

8. For absolute stunners, some criteria could be relaxed a little like "experience with Farangs", due to possibly being worth the risk in case of getting lucky to find an exceptional girl.

I remind myself, that for many years I had mostly bad experiences with Nataree girls, because they were mostly inexperienced farm girls sometimes from Myanmar, they were contract debt girls, forced to do it, and so not really into it, etc. The more experienced girls in the fishbowl were better. I have to remind me that I am not so horny an individual, that any girl will do. They have to know how to make a good sex session, how to move their body, etc. Have to know how to BBBJ and tongue kiss. Not easy to find in Thai oriented Soapies except for more experienced girls. All my favourite girls have years of experience. They know what has to be done to turn me on a lot, even the relatively shy one.

So I ask myself, how could I take a girl who really only passed one of the criteria with flying colours? Brain fade. LOL Unfucked for a few days influencing me.

Tonight the rectification. I look forward to one of my super sexy super expert super experienced long time favourite girls, who prefers Farangs, preferably not too small. A girl that has been fabulous from the very first time with her. Often she has not had a fuck since the last time I saw her.

BKK Dog report that T Det at one time had naked girl lap dances for 100 Baht per go in the past. This has been stamped out since police raids. Why do the police have to spoil the fun? What is so bad about girls being naked? Works well at Crazy House, a Police "affiliated" bar, I think.

T Det remains mostly a curiosity for me. The prices are good, but girls are mostly for Thai taste, and so nothing drags me back there in a big hurry. Some pretty faces, but some of those girls has odd shaped bodies, due to either pudge or surgeries.

Why do girls work in a lower class place like this? If they were really top class they could be in a Coyote Club for Thais or a Soapy. Some of the girls have friends that work there. So they don't want to go into a Cowboy bar with no friends for moral support. Maybe they can't speak English. Perhaps they are able to avoid customers they don't like. Also they have probably fucked plenty of Thais but lack farang experience (not a good thing).[/QUOTE]Not much else to add here accept to say my girl did have a great body despite having one kid. Her ass was her biggest asset. She knew how to give a good BBJ and attacked me like a mad dog in the room. Spent most of the time in the doggy position. Was able to get off two shots between 12 and 1:30. Good GFE session for me on a quiet night.

Tonight I think a freelancer from Thai Friendly.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2099288]Not much else to add here accept to say my girl did have a great body despite having one kid. Her ass was her biggest asset. She knew how to give a good BBJ and attacked me like a mad dog in the room. Spent most of the time in the doggy position. Was able to get off two shots between 12 and 1:30. Good GFE session for me on a quiet night.

Tonight I think a freelancer from Thai Friendly.[/QUOTE]That's the gal from T-Det? Nice. I'd say a good deal for 2500 all in for 2 shots.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2099291]That's the gal from T-Det? Nice. I'd say a good deal for 2500 all in for 2 shots.[/QUOTE]Yep. From her Line.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2099288]Not much else to add here accept to say my girl did have a great body despite having one kid. Her ass was her biggest asset. She knew how to give a good BBJ and attacked me like a mad dog in the room. Spent most of the time in the doggy position. Was able to get off two shots between 12 and 1:30. Good GFE session for me on a quiet night.

Tonight I think a freelancer from Thai Friendly.[/QUOTE]She looked a lot more quiet and reticent than my girl. Perhaps that was a good sign. LOL She also claimed to be all natural with no nose job (sceptical as always). I did notice her covered ass was looking good when she got up to go to the toilet. My girl was too over the top with bubbliness. Like a little monkey. At one stage tried to bite me. LOL Anyway a bad rushed choice from me. I need to really take a long time to choose carefully.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2099284]Good performer, June, but too hard on the eyes for my taste. Late 30's, more than one kid, and it shows. Anne looks great from the back, but again, lots of baby damage. I'm becoming a bit pickier looks wise as I enter my 50's. Just not interested in a 35 up gal with mommy body. Then again, I am not interested in a stunning 22 year old who does not perform. Finding a mid-20's who looks good, has a killer body, and will rim, CIM, A+, etc etc is a unicorn these days. It's a real quandary actually and has led to me partaking very little these days. Frustrating really. I miss the old days of Mango and Snow when the gals were actually attractive and fun.[/QUOTE]I agree about getting so tough.

Not sure that Mango really had any memorable real beauties, however I do agree it declined in talent. Cherry had a great body but face was still a bit limited (at best a 7 for the face). Cat had a cute face but was short and a little pudgy (body miles behind Cherry) and not a pornstar at all. I am not forgetful. I have pics from doing takeout with Cherry, so I can see her real looks. I look back at pics over the years, and I realize I got more picky since my beauties from yesteryear were not really as stunning as I originally thought sometimes. I need to look at the old pics and see if I still find them stunning now. Most of us started from a low baseline of expectations. Like kids in the candy shop.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2099284]Good performer, June, but too hard on the eyes for my taste. Late 30's, more than one kid, and it shows. Anne looks great from the back, but again, lots of baby damage. I'm becoming a bit pickier looks wise as I enter my 50's. Just not interested in a 35 up gal with mommy body. Then again, I am not interested in a stunning 22 year old who does not perform. Finding a mid-20's who looks good, has a killer body, and will rim, CIM, A+, etc etc is a unicorn these days. It's a real quandary actually and has led to me partaking very little these days. Frustrating really. I miss the old days of Mango and Snow when the gals were actually attractive and fun.[/QUOTE]FWIW, don't give up; there are still nice firm gals out there to go with a well strung guitar. I don't know what it is but some of the girls do better recovering and have less visible damage. With some, I could barely tell. Doc sewed the pussy tight and the boobs don't sag.

I planned to go to Hillary 2 tonight hoping for some Climax memories. Met up with one of the Managers Paul amd he showed me around Hillary 1,2, and 3. Hillary 1 is a great new bar in the location on the corner of the ally going to Annie's. Anyhow to make a long story short, all the bars are gorgeous and well done up but not set up for mongering. News for all, Climax will reopen at The Ambassador hotel in December. They finally negotiated the new terms with the hotel.

Moving on to Nana. I checked out all the bars such as Twister. Twister was packed full of Japanese guys amd the girls are all the same as the previous Rainbow bar. Some were topless, went. Nothing caught my eye. The new rainbow next door was just aweful and full of uglies. For all those who don't know, the bar on the 3rd floor, renamed as butterfly has finally reopened after their ban but the girls are completely the opposite from before, all fuggly uglies. I never made it back to Billboard as I was accosted by the door girls from. "Enter". This was my first time here and the bar is not popular yet but it has some good talent. My favourite type of girl was there. Completely forgot her name now so no number or name is available, only some photos LOL. Cute little 20 year old with natural big breasts, white skin, and an ass to die for. I spent the next two hours drinking with her and ran up a 3,200 baht LD and beer bill combined. Great fun with this little cute. Bar fine was 1,000 Baht. By the time we got around to leaving she was smashed drunk. A little difficult getting her out of the club. She was wearing these sexy cut off jean shorts and a small white tank top. So fucking sexy. Back to my room she attacked me and we did it in every postition which way with no mention of any see word. A scene straight from the creampie Thais series is the best way for me to explain our session absent the video camara. Sent her home with 3,000 Baht just a few minutes ago.

So some notes for all the punters who have ever considered booking up with a bar girl and taking her for your girlfried. My girl started out by saying she was single. After the session in my room, all of sudden she was showing me her 3 month old baby pictures and photos of her still current Thai boyfriend from Perchabum. He can't take care of this little 20 year old firecracker just 3 days workimg I the bar. I was her first bar fine. Anyways, my point is that 80% of these girls all have a baby and a Thai boyfriend at home who they work for to take care their baby amd his drinking habits. Have fun with these girls and leave it at that.

Finally, enjoy the one snap shot I got of her as I was walking her to the taxi and 3 more from her line.

A night out at Nana Plaza.

I planned to go to Hillary 2 tonight hoping for some Climax memories. Met up with one of the Managers Paul amd he showed me around Hillary 1,2, and 3. Hillary 1 is a great new bar in the location on the corner of the ally going to Annie's. Anyhow to make a long story short, all the bars are gorgeous and well done up but not set up for mongering. News for all, Climax will reopen at The Ambassador hotel in December. They finally negotiated the new terms with the hotel.

Moving on to Nana. I checked out all the bars such as Twister. Twister was packed full of Japanese guys amd the girls are all the same as the previous Rainbow bar. Some were topless, went. Nothing caught my eye. The new rainbow next door was just aweful and full of uglies. For all those who don't know, the bar on the 3rd floor, renamed as butterfly has finally reopened after their ban but the girls are completely the opposite from before, all fuggly uglies. I never made it back to Billboard as I was accosted by the door girls from. "Enter". This was my first time here and the bar is not popular yet but it has some good talent. My favourite type of girl was there. Completely forgot her name now so no number or name is available, only some photos LOL. Cute little 20 year old with natural big breasts, white skin, and an ass to die for. I spent the next two hours drinking with her and ran up a 3,200 baht LD and beer bill combined. Great fun with this little cute. Bar fine was 1,000 Baht. By the time we got around to leaving she was smashed drunk. A little difficult getting her out of the club. She was wearing these sexy cut off jean shorts and a small white tank top. So fucking sexy. Back to my room she attacked me and we did it in every postition which way with no mention of any see word. A scene straight from the creampie Thais series is the best way for me to explain our session absent the video camara. Sent her home with 3,000 Baht just a few minutes ago.

So some notes for all the punters who have ever considered booking up with a bar girl and taking her for your girlfried. My girl started out by saying she was single. After the session in my room, all of sudden she was showing me her 3 month old baby pictures and photos of her still current Thai boyfriend from Perchabum. He can't take care of this little 20 year old firecracker just 3 days workimg I the bar. I was her first bar fine. Anyways, my point is that 80% of these girls all have a baby and a Thai boyfriend at home who they work for to take care their baby amd his drinking habits. Have fun with these girls and leave it at that.

Finally, enjoy the one snap shot I got of her as I was walking her to the taxi and 3 more from her line.

A night out at Nana Plaza.

I planned to go to Hillary 2 tonight hoping for some Climax memories. Met up with one of the Managers Paul amd he showed me around Hillary 1,2, and 3. Hillary 1 is a great new bar in the location on the corner of the ally going to Annie's. Anyhow to make a long story short, all the bars are gorgeous and well done up but not set up for mongering. News for all, Climax will reopen at The Ambassador hotel in December. They finally negotiated the new terms with the hotel.

Moving on to Nana. I checked out all the bars such as Twister. Twister was packed full of Japanese guys amd the girls are all the same as the previous Rainbow bar. Some were topless, went. Nothing caught my eye. The new rainbow next door was just aweful and full of uglies. For all those who don't know, the bar on the 3rd floor, renamed as butterfly has finally reopened after their ban but the girls are completely the opposite from before, all fuggly uglies. I never made it back to Billboard as I was accosted by the door girls from. "Enter". This was my first time here and the bar is not popular yet but it has some good talent. My favourite type of girl was there. Completely forgot her name now so no number or name is available, only some photos LOL. Cute little 20 year old with natural big breasts, white skin, and an ass to die for. I spent the next two hours drinking with her and ran up a 3,200 baht LD and beer bill combined. Great fun with this little cute. Bar fine was 1,000 Baht. By the time we got around to leaving she was smashed drunk. A little difficult getting her out of the club. She was wearing these sexy cut off jean shorts and a small white tank top. So fucking sexy. Back to my room she attacked me and we did it in every postition which way with no mention of any see word. A scene straight from the creampie Thais series is the best way for me to explain our session absent the video camara. Sent her home with 3,000 Baht just a few minutes ago.

So some notes for all the punters who have ever considered booking up with a bar girl and taking her for your girlfried. My girl started out by saying she was single. After the session in my room, all of sudden she was showing me her 3 month old baby pictures and photos of her still current Thai boyfriend from Perchabum. He can't take care of this little 20 year old firecracker just 3 days workimg I the bar. I was her first bar fine. Anyways, my point is that 80% of these girls all have a baby and a Thai boyfriend at home who they work for to take care their baby amd his drinking habits. Have fun with these girls and leave it at that.

Finally, enjoy the one snap shot I got of her as I was walking her to the taxi and 3 more from her line.

A night out at Nana Plaza.

I planned to go to Hillary 2 tonight hoping for some Climax memories. Met up with one of the Managers Paul amd he showed me around Hillary 1,2, and 3. Hillary 1 is a great new bar in the location on the corner of the ally going to Annie's. Anyhow to make a long story short, all the bars are gorgeous and well done up but not set up for mongering. News for all, Climax will reopen at The Ambassador hotel in December. They finally negotiated the new terms with the hotel.

Moving on to Nana. I checked out all the bars such as Twister. Twister was packed full of Japanese guys amd the girls are all the same as the previous Rainbow bar. Some were topless, went. Nothing caught my eye. The new rainbow next door was just aweful and full of uglies. For all those who don't know, the bar on the 3rd floor, renamed as butterfly has finally reopened after their ban but the girls are completely the opposite from before, all fuggly uglies. I never made it back to Billboard as I was accosted by the door girls from. "Enter". This was my first time here and the bar is not popular yet but it has some good talent. My favourite type of girl was there. Completely forgot her name now so no number or name is available, only some photos LOL. Cute little 20 year old with natural big breasts, white skin, and an ass to die for. I spent the next two hours drinking with her and ran up a 3,200 baht LD and beer bill combined. Great fun with this little cute. Bar fine was 1,000 Baht. By the time we got around to leaving she was smashed drunk. A little difficult getting her out of the club. She was wearing these sexy cut off jean shorts and a small white tank top. So fucking sexy. Back to my room she attacked me and we did it in every postition which way with no mention of any see word. A scene straight from the creampie Thais series is the best way for me to explain our session absent the video camara. Sent her home with 3,000 Baht just a few minutes ago.

So some notes for all the punters who have ever considered booking up with a bar girl and taking her for your girlfried. My girl started out by saying she was single. After the session in my room, all of sudden she was showing me her 3 month old baby pictures and photos of her still current Thai boyfriend from Perchabum. He can't take care of this little 20 year old firecracker just 3 days workimg I the bar. I was her first bar fine. Anyways, my point is that 80% of these girls all have a baby and a Thai boyfriend at home who they work for to take care their baby amd his drinking habits. Have fun with these girls and leave it at that.

Finally, enjoy the one snap shot I got of her as I was walking her to the taxi and 3 more from her line.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2099485]A night out at Nana Plaza.
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I never made it back to Billboard as I was accosted by the door girls from. "Enter". This was my first time here and the bar is not popular yet but it has some good talent. My favourite type of girl was there. Completely forgot her name now so no number or name is available, only some photos LOL. Cute little 20 year old with natural big breasts, white skin, and an ass to die for. I spent the next two hours drinking with her and ran up a 3,200 baht LD and beer bill combined. Great fun with this little cute. Bar fine was 1,000 Baht. By the time we got around to leaving she was smashed drunk. A little difficult getting her out of the club. She was wearing these sexy cut off jean shorts and a small white tank top. So fucking sexy. Back to my room she attacked me and we did it in every postition which way with no mention of any see word. A scene straight from the creampie Thais series is the best way for me to explain our session absent the video camara. Sent her home with 3,000 Baht just a few minutes ago.
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Finally, enjoy the one snap shot I got of her as I was walking her to the taxi and 3 more from her line.[/QUOTE]I enjoyed reading the report, Bkkdog. It brings back many fond memories of my own BKK adventures. I have never been to Enter. It gets mixed reviews, but I will give it a look see next time I am in Nana.

P.S. I liked your snapshot of the girl a lot more than her Line photos. Glad you had a great time although I am not surprised in the least.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2099491]I enjoyed reading the report, Bkkdog. It brings back many fond memories of my own BKK adventures. I have never been to Enter. It gets mixed reviews, but I will give it a look see next time I am in Nana.

P.S. I liked your snapshot of the girl a lot more than her Line photos. Glad you had a great time although I am not surprised in the least.[/QUOTE]Funny, I was just getting ready to post that I liked the Line photos far more than the real life photos.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2099310]I agree about getting so tough.

Not sure that Mango really had any memorable real beauties, however I do agree it declined in talent. Cherry had a great body but face was still a bit limited (at best a 7 for the face). Cat had a cute face but was short and a little pudgy (body miles behind Cherry) and not a pornstar at all. I am not forgetful. I have pics from doing takeout with Cherry, so I can see her real looks. I look back at pics over the years, and I realize I got more picky since my beauties from yesteryear were not really as stunning as I originally thought sometimes. I need to look at the old pics and see if I still find them stunning now. Most of us started from a low baseline of expectations. Like kids in the candy shop.[/QUOTE]I actually liked Cherry's face. The original Ann was good looking as well and just as dirty as can be. Mook was a looker. One thing, there were a lot of gals without babies and they were pretty much all stellar performers. Remember my first session in Mango the week it opened. Was with Bo on her second day. Nestle told her to show me a really good time as I had been a Tulip regular. Don't think I have ever had an intense an oily session. Bo was wet wild and amazing. Almost rabid. Left after 90 minutes with my knees shaking. In fact, I left most oily sessions in those days in a daze with my knees shaking. The gals saw to it.

But yes, I agree, as we age our taste becomes a bit more refined might I say.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2099549]Funny, I was just getting ready to post that I liked the Line photos far more than the real life photos.[/QUOTE]My snapshot was after 3 hours of her drinking multiple lady drinks and two shots in my room so I'm not surprised. She was hammered and I am surprised it wasn't a disaster as is mostly when the girls get too drunk. She really looks better in real life than her Line photos and the snapshot. Her skin looks whiter in real life, the cut off shorts with the belly ring, cute braces, a beautiful round ass, and her real tits. She's not really thin, but far from fat or even chubby. She was wearing a sexy black bikini in the bar. She has that university student type of body I like. She also keeps herself very well. Unlike most Thai girls, she does not have an ounce of hair on her legs with beautiful small feet. What kills me sometimes is when I see a beautiful Thai girl such as Baifern from The Lord but she has ugly feet with that strange shape some Thais have and hair on her legs.

She's texting me now with I love you. Of course she loves me because I took care of her with multiple ladydrinks and a fair price for 2 pops. 3,200 bar bill, 800 tip for Moma, 1000 BF, and 3,000 Baht 3 hours. Three days in the business and not jaded yet. She will learn soon. She's also telling me that she has been broken up from her Thai boyfriend, a different story from last night where they were still together. You've got to love these little darlings and how they try to tell their little white lies to get what they want. It's all in good fun if you play along. It's when these punters fall in love with these girls that it can get dangerous for some guys.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2099580]What kills me sometimes is when I see a beautiful Thai girl such as Baifern from The Lord but she has ugly feet with that strange shape some Thais have and hair on her legs.[/QUOTE]Ah, the old "tau moo baan. " Village feet or as the former owner of Cactus Bar used to call them, paddy feet.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2099485]A night out at Nana Plaza.
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I never made it back to Billboard as I was accosted by the door girls from. "Enter". This was my first time here and the bar is not popular yet but it has some good talent. My favourite type of girl was there. Completely forgot her name now so no number or name is available, only some photos LOL. Cute little 20 year old with natural big breasts, white skin, and an ass to die for. I spent the next two hours drinking with her and ran up a 3,200 baht LD and beer bill combined. Great fun with this little cute. Bar fine was 1,000 Baht. By the time we got around to leaving she was smashed drunk. A little difficult getting her out of the club. She was wearing these sexy cut off jean shorts and a small white tank top. So fucking sexy. Back to my room she attacked me and we did it in every postition which way with no mention of any see word. A scene straight from the creampie Thais series is the best way for me to explain our session absent the video camara. Sent her home with 3,000 Baht just a few minutes ago.
-snip-[/QUOTE]Excellent. That is similar to my experiences with the 2-3 Enter girls I have taken (perhaps minus some of that expenditure. But I am not so into drinking for me or for the girl). If you are looking for the top tier go-go bar lookers, probably don't bother. But if you are looking for fun, willing and ready, often above average, sometimes even way above average looking go-go girls, Enter is worth checking out as you pass by. The better than usual (these days) attitude of the girls in the room reminds me a little of the old DC-10 go-go bar before it went all Ladyboy. Bear in mind the line up can swing to a very low extreme if you happen to pass by at the wrong moment, hour or night. But other times it can be quite rewarding imo.

[QUOTE=KyFry;2099051]Hi all,
About five of us are going to Asia for the first time (some first time leaving the US) and have been doing a lot of research. The one thing we're not sure about is pricing. We are inexperienced and have saved a bit so are trying to messing up the local economy by over paying (too much. I'm sure we'll get scammed at least once).

I've found some prices for BJ / HJ bars. I think we'll start here as it seems pretty organized and simple and we have no idea what we're doing.

These should be 500 for HJ and 1000 baht for BJ.
-Toy Bar.
-Wood Bar.
-Magic Table.[/QUOTE]Toy Bar and Magic Table are not really BJ bars I think but agogo's. I don't know what the prices are there.
The Wood Bar is indeed a BJ bar. I don't know if you can get a HJ there (or at any other BJ bar for that matter) but if you can then 500 should be about right.
For a BJ they have a two tier system. Last time I went there I believe it was 1000 baht for the (relatively!) better looking (or more skilled?) girls and 700 or 800 for the less attractive ones. A tip is not mandatory but very much appreciated (200-300 baht for a good BJ will do).
Other well known BJ bars like L-olitas or Kasalong have a one tier system: 800 baht (excluding tip).
For a more up market place with better looking girls I can highly recommend Bitstyle (google Bitstyle Bangkok). A BJ there is 1400 baht (excluding tip).

[QUOTE=KyFry;2099051]
If we go to any of the bars / strip clubs on Soi Cowboy and want FS then the breakout is:
LD: 150.
Barfine: 500 - 1000.
FS: 2,000 for ST.

Quick question here: At a stripclub / gogo bar if we just want a BJ do they have rooms or do we have to leave the spot?
When we head to the islands is it easy to tell which massage places are FS?
We are heading there in Dec so it'll be awhile but I'll do a full report.[/QUOTE]LDs in the agogo's will be closer to 200 than 150 in most bars these days.
BFs can be as high as 1500 or even 2000 (for coyote girls for example), especially when the night is still young.
2000 might still be possible for a ST but most girls in Soi Cowboy will quote you at least 2500 or 3000.

Usually the bars will not scam you with the LD or BF prices. But the girls will try to get as many LDs as they can and quote you higher prices for a ST once they have found out that you are newbies (and they will smell that from a mile away LOL, there's no way you can hide that).

Some bars have a room but why would you want just a BJ from a (pretty) gogo girl? Seems like a waste of money to me because it's a very expensive BJ when you include the LDs and BF.
Take her to your hotel or a nearby ST hotel (the girls know where they are) and fuck her brains out LOL.

[QUOTE=KyFry;2099051]
If we go to any of the bars / strip clubs on Soi Cowboy and want FS then the breakout is:
LD: 150.
Barfine: 500 - 1000.
FS: 2,000 for ST.
Quick question here: At a stripclub / gogo bar if we just want a BJ do they have rooms or do we have to leave the spot?
[/QUOTE]Lady Drink prices vary. I can't tell you for all bars. However Crazy House 170 Baht, Suzie Wong 200 Baht, Shark over 200 Baht maybe 220? And may depend if girl is gogo or Coyote.

Barfine is usually 700 Baht possible 1500 for Coyotes or maybe 2000 for Coyotes in some places. In some bars like the "Arab's" bars, girls are not barfinable for sex activities officially.
I see many of my answers are similar to Mogwai, so that that as meaning we probably gave realistic answers.

In any place BFing is not a guarantee the girl will fuck you. You have to get her agreement first. She might be on a period.

While it is possible to get ST for 2000 Baht, these will probably be low quality girls that struggle to get customers. 2500 Baht will get a much higher proportion of girls. Some girls may insist on 3000 Baht depending on mood, whether they really want the customer, or just holding a very high opinion of themselves. Some girls that want 3000 maybe very pretty looking but performance can be crap. There is no real correlation between price and performance in a good way or a bad way. However price can be correlated with demand and with girl wanting to believe she is the Mercedes Benz Status level. LOL You will hear plenty of girls asking for 3000 Baht at the start. They may well go for less since many are certainly not worth it. Some would say that no girl is worth 3 K for ST. I would say a very small percentage of super hot good looking girls are worth it only because they can get that price so quickly and easily. I. e. They have the advantage of demand for them.

Occasionally girls are pretty enough to hook a customer very quickly even if in the highest price bracket. One pretty girl in Nana asked me for as much as 4000 Baht ST. I decided she probably was not worth it. LOL Could not even see if her tits were good.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2099554]I actually liked Cherry's face. The original Ann was good looking as well and just as dirty as can be. Mook was a looker. One thing, there were a lot of gals without babies and they were pretty much all stellar performers. Remember my first session in Mango the week it opened. Was with Bo on her second day. [/QUOTE]Perhaps I did not get to Mango soon enough to experience the original best lookers. I recall several visits selecting no one, but best girls could have been busy. When Cat first arrived, I thought she was cuter for face than rest of the line up by the length of the street.

Cherry was pleasant looking for the face. Very Issan looking. Certainly acceptable for me, given such a good body. My girlfriend at the time was significantly prettier, but not as good on the bed.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2099702]Perhaps I did not get to Mango soon enough to experience the original best lookers. I recall several visits selecting no one, but best girls could have been busy. When Cat first arrived, I thought she was cuter for face than rest of the line up by the length of the street.

Cherry was pleasant looking for the face. Very Issan looking. Certainly acceptable for me, given such a good body. My girlfriend at the time was significantly prettier, but not as good on the bed.[/QUOTE]After Cherry had a little work done on her face, she looked better.

Loilitas has a second tier 800 BJ 1200 FS for some of the girls. On LD's make sure they don't order a double which is 330 ish. Generally speaking I won't risk 3000 baht on a gogo girl so I'll laugh at that and usually they quickly drop to 2000. To me gogo girls are too hit and miss to be paying big money too. You can always tip more.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2099707]After Cherry had a little work done on her face, she looked better.[/QUOTE]I struggle to recall that, even when she manager of Cherry Massage. Maybe a nose job?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2098448]In Baccara, you have to realise it is the uglier group of girls with horrible boob jobs that work on the 2nd floor. Still it is very much a high surgeries bar. I do agree that Shark has some better looking girls (and Tilac is ordinary). You should have checked out the skinny nudie girls in Crazy House around the corner.

For Shark, you failed to make mention of the difference between the Coyote girls and the gogo girls. The Coyotes have 3 or 4 very pretty girls, but it is harder to see if they have boobs or not (too covered up). Anyway we can conclude from your BF price, you must have taken a gogo girl wearing a see-through outfit. You could mention if she had A-cups or the-cups and if they were natural, tall or short (you say "little") since you gave so much other detail. LOL Did she have a name at all? Or maybe that is secret? My young girl in there is called Patty and my older girl is called Maa (but still very hot). Also I know Noi since many years (from Sheba days) but she just started at Shark, last Saturday I think.[/QUOTE]Yes so sorry, it was my first TR. I'll try and get better at adding more details! A cups for sure they were, and very nice indeed. I'm a fan of natural irregardless of size. Not sure about the difference between the coyotes and gogo girls I must admit. How do you tell the difference?

Roger on the Baccara opinion too!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2099742]I struggle to recall that, even when she manager of Cherry Massage. Maybe a nose job?[/QUOTE]For sure a nose job and think she might have taken a little off the square jaw. But what a body she had. Just amazing. Thanks for sharing the pic.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2098471]I've never been to Shark in Bangkok since Shark in Pattaya doesn't have top tier girls for my taste. However, if there are more girls than Baccara I'll definitely have to check it out.

Now I'm curious. Using Baccara as a benchmark, which other BKK gogo bars, regardless of quality, have more girls than Baccara?[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if it is in fact a Benchmark or the right one if that. Just speaking from whatever my limited comfort zone experience is. When I first started frequently Cowboy I found that Baccara had more girls to suit my taste. That has since changed.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2098863]This has nothing to do with skin color. On busy nights they want all customers to buy a drink first.[/QUOTE]Right fair enough then, good to know.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2098955]Well, I would agree with Mogwai's wording of it in his earlier reply. Generally speaking, the overall reason for the door man or servers at Bacarra to point to the outside bar when you approach the doorway indicating you need to buy a drink first is because they "want" you to buy one before you go inside, walk around looking for a seat on the lower flioor, not find one, not want to go upstairs (as you don't), and accomplish nothing for the bar except bottle neck the aisle and block the view of others while you circle the bottom floor stage and eyeball the girls. They "want" you to have already bought a drink so you will resign yourself to at least taking a seat in an otherwise undesirable location until you finish it. Meanwhile, you might buy another or spot a girl worthy of a Lady Drink anyway.

In that regard it isn't generally about skin color or desirable customers vs undesirable customers.

But "wanting" isn't the same as "getting" and they will certainly ignore that expectation for some. Simply recognizing you as a regular, reliable customer might be enough for the doorman to let you in without buying a drink first while others are required to.

I don't believe I fit the ethnic or skin color profile to be considered a potential waste of their space or whatever but I have been directed to the outside bar to buy a drink first on busy nights there. But several times I have just looked at the doorman a moment, smiled, and when or if he recognizes me as a customer who has been dropping in from time to time for years he gestures for me to go right in.[/QUOTE]Fair enough as well. I don't really mind to be honest, the world is the way it is, I'm sure if I go enough they may recognize my face one day LOL! Unfortunately I fot the profile more or less but I spend fairly heavily when I do go into the bars provided I like what I see.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2099102]From my very limited observations, I've seen East Asians walk in without buying a drink, and I've seen White guys be forced to buy a drink.

I don't like to go there because it seems you can't get a good seat on the first level.

Are Indians still denied entry into Baccarra? Or are they charged cover charges?[/QUOTE]I'm not Indian but I do have darker skin. Never been denied entrance to any clubs or bars, nor have I ever been charged a cover unless that bar or club had a cover charge for everyone.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2099768]For sure a nose job and think she might have taken a little off the square jaw. But what a body she had. Just amazing. Thanks for sharing the pic.[/QUOTE]Here is another pic of Cherry and a body (not Cherry but slimilarly curvy. Sorry I don't have any nude Cherry pics).

[QUOTE=FlyBoy83;2099775]I'm not Indian but I do have darker skin. Never been denied entrance to any clubs or bars, nor have I ever been charged a cover unless that bar or club had a cover charge for everyone.[/QUOTE]Hardly the point. He asked specifically about Baccara. Have you been in there recently without buying a drink first? Are you a regular customer there? This is not even an Indian topic. ET got it right I am sure. I might well leave after doing a circuit and being unhappy about the situation. So I am not going to buy a drink first. In most bars the situation does not arise because a reasonable seat is available, and there is no requirement to buy a drink outside.

This makes Baccara the least Farang friendly bar of the lot.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2099790]Here is another pic of Cherry and a body (not Cherry but slimilarly curvy. Sorry I don't have any nude Cherry pics).[/QUOTE]Yes, she had a nose job after that. And a very similar body and child free. Nothing at all like that in the PSE shops these days. Would appreciate seeing non-nude pics of some of the old oily gals if you have em.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2099791]Hardly the point. He asked specifically about Baccara. Have you been in there recently without buying a drink first? Are you a regular customer there? This is not even an Indian topic. ET got it right I am sure. I might well leave after doing a circuit and being unhappy about the situation. So I am not going to buy a drink first. In most bars the situation does not arise because a reasonable seat is available, and there is no requirement to buy a drink outside.

This makes Baccara the least Farang friendly bar of the lot.[/QUOTE]I go there every time I come to BKK, but I wouldn't classify myself as a regular given the total number of trips has been low. Yes I've been in there recently without buying a drink first, this is only the second time I've been asked to buy a drink. Like I said not a big deal though. I've been in there when it's been crowded and empty both alike.

My current experience with Baccara is that the doorman will ask me to buy a drink outside, even though he knows me, when the place is full of customers, otherwise it's walk right in.

I had a onetime similar experience at CH, my current 2017 favorite Go Go, but the door opened from the inside just as I was being asked to buy a drink and my mamasan spotted me and waived me in. Other than that one time they always allow me to walk right in because they know me and know I spend money in their bar.

Another time the CH doorman tried to hit me up for a tip as I was leaving with one of my girls and we had stopped outside the bar while she chatted with her sister. I ignored him like Japanese oriented girls ignore Farangs and pretended I never heard him. He never bothered me for a tip again.

I admit I don't like being asked to buy a drink outside first especially when the bar is a place I frequent often. Back a few years, I was never asked to buy a drink before going into Baccara, but that was when Mini worked there and I went to that place 5 nights a week. 555. So recently when the same Baccara doorman asked me to buy a drink first, I just laughed and crossed over to Shark. A couple of nights later the same doorman waived me in no problem because the place was not packed.

My suggestion is unless there is a definite reason to be there, go somewhere else when the outside one drink minimum is imposed. The imposition tells me the place is over crowded and it will be less than enjoyable at that particular time.

It should go without saying, however, that when you are seated in a Go Go watching the show, YOU ARE EXPECTED TO BUY A DRINK! Any drink order will suffice - coke, juice, water, Tequila. That is a reasonable request.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2099804]My current experience with Baccara is that the doorman will ask me to buy a drink outside, even though he knows me, when the place is full of customers, otherwise it's walk right in.

I had a onetime similar experience at CH, my current 2017 favorite Go Go, but the door opened from the inside just as I was being asked to buy a drink and my mamasan spotted me and waived me in. Other than that one time they always allow me to walk right in because they know me and know I spend money in their bar.

Another time the CH doorman tried to hit me up for a tip as I was leaving with one of my girls and we had stopped outside the bar while she chatted with her sister. I ignored him like Japanese oriented girls ignore Farangs and pretended I never heard him. He never bothered me for a tip again.

I admit I don't like being asked to buy a drink outside first especially when the bar is a place I frequent often. Back a few years, I was never asked to buy a drink before going into Baccara, but that was when Mini worked there and I went to that place 5 nights a week. 555. So recently when the same Baccara doorman asked me to buy a drink first, I just laughed and crossed over to Shark. A couple of nights later the same doorman waived me in no problem because the place was not packed.

My suggestion is unless there is a definite reason to be there, go somewhere else when the one drink minimum is imposed. The imposition tells me the place is over crowded and it will be less than enjoyable at that particular time.[/QUOTE]Roger that!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2099794]Yes, she had a nose job after that. And a very similar body and child free. Nothing at all like that in the PSE shops these days. Would appreciate seeing non-nude pics of some of the old oily gals if you have em.[/QUOTE]I remember Kan and Apple from a few years ago. Outstanding.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2099794]Yes, she had a nose job after that. And a very similar body and child free. Nothing at all like that in the PSE shops these days. Would appreciate seeing non-nude pics of some of the old oily gals if you have em.[/QUOTE]Actually I probably posted them all before (the important ones that I had pics of). I could have a look though. I don't think I have any pics of June SW and Bongkot nor Cat of Mango. Probably have 2 or 3 Tulip girls.

Hi folks,

My report regarding Tik at Kasalong BJ bar, between Sukhumvit soi 6 and 8.

Tik is a girl from Isaan I her mid 40's, MILF with dyed blond hair. Average looking girl but as usual in BJ bars, the look is not the point, but the skills. She has a friendly contact and everything goes smooth. She was surprised I heard about her, since it was my 1st time there. DT is her specialty, but she can perform if your thing is not too big. 800 thb for 30 minutes.

Rooms upstairs look a bit tacky. Tik does the job correctly, she does not hurry and is eager to satisfy the customer. Slow or fast, she can do it all; however the teeth factor is a bit too strong. I would give her 6/10.

My best DT experience so far: Cheechee at Woodbar, 1000 thb, 9/10.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2099580]Snip. She's texting me now with I love you. Of course she loves me because I took care of her with multiple ladydrinks and a fair price for 2 pops. 3,200 bar bill, 800 tip for Moma, 1000 BF, and 3,000 Baht 3 hours. Three days in the business and not jaded yet. She will learn soon. She's also telling me that she has been broken up from her Thai boyfriend, a different story from last night where they were still together. You've got to love these little darlings and how they try to tell their little white lies to get what they want. It's all in good fun if you play along. It's when these punters fall in love with these girls that it can get dangerous for some guys.[/QUOTE]Why the 800 Bhat tip for the Moma? What did she do to earn that size tip?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2099659]Toy Bar and Magic Table are not really BJ bars I think but agogo's. I don't know what the prices are there.
The Wood Bar is indeed a BJ bar. I don't know if you can get a HJ there (or at any other BJ bar for that matter) but if you can then 500 should be about right.
For a BJ they have a two tier system. Last time I went there I believe it was 1000 baht for the (relatively!) better looking (or more skilled?) girls and 700 or 800 for the less attractive ones. A tip is not mandatory but very much appreciated (200-300 baht for a good BJ will do).
Other well known BJ bars like L-olitas or Kasalong have a one tier system: 800 baht (excluding tip).
For a more up market place with better looking girls I can highly recommend Bitstyle (google Bitstyle Bangkok). A BJ there is 1400 baht (excluding tip).

Snip.[/QUOTE]Have you been there lately? Checking their website, the girls that are supposedly there now are no better (if even that) than the ones I've had in the past at the other BJ bars for far less money.

Last night (Sunday) around midnight went in to Kiss (soi cowboy) not many girls, none very attractive. Went across the street to Cowboy 2.

More and prettier girls. Was interested in one, but she wanted 2 ladydrinks to sit in my lap.

Went to Nana. Butterflies top floor, very late, after 2. Quite a lot of girls, friendly atmosphere, maybe not the highest quality girls.

Mandarin, not many girls, not so friendly. Oh, prior to this I went to wood bar, and had a blowjob. Before you get in to that "cubicle" it's not very welcoming. I almost couldn't buy a beer if I didn't confirm that I was going to order a blowjob too. After I picked a girl everything was nicer. A little bit of chitchat and not hurried service.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2100095]Have you been there lately? Checking their website, the girls that are supposedly there now are no better (if even that) than the ones I've had in the past at the other BJ bars for far less money.[/QUOTE]Last time I've been there was in June. Unlike you I've had better looking girls there (on average) than at other BJ bars, but maybe I was just lucky. And as always: YMMV.

Last time I had Kiki. Not by choice but because she was the only one available, but as it turned out she was the best girl I've had there. She gave me a GFE including DFK and a great subtle BJ.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2100095]Have you been there lately? Checking their website, the girls that are supposedly there now are no better (if even that) than the ones I've had in the past at the other BJ bars for far less money.[/QUOTE]So who have you had, that was so beautiful? I don't recall if you posted on specific BJ girls before. It you want to knock it, and say you had much better, you should provide the better alternatives, besides Min Kasalong already posted by others.

We love to hear what was liked rather than just what was not liked only. It tends to be more useful.

In the Bitstyle pics, Ojung and Malee look acceptable to me with a taste for skinny girls. I would like to hear if they were experienced, good GFE service, and worth a try. Any positive recommendations can be useful maybe if someone says why they liked the girl.

Mogwai did good by mentioning Kiki. Her face is maybe not quite my spec (sharpish LOL), but doable.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2100112]So who have you had, that was so beautiful? I don't recall if you posted on specific BJ girls before. It you want to knock it, and say you had much better, you should provide the better alternatives, besides Min Kasalong already posted by others.

We love to hear what was liked rather than just what was not liked only. It tends to be more useful.

In the Bitstyle pics, Ojung and Malee look acceptable to me with a taste for skinny girls. I would like to hear if they were experienced, good GFE service, and worth a try. Any positive recommendations can be useful maybe if someone says why they liked the girl.

Mogwai did good by mentioning Kiki. Her face is maybe not quite my spec (sharpish LOL), but doable.[/QUOTE]I never said any I had were beautiful. They were not. I just stated, for the benefit of the original poster, that the bitstyle girls were, in my opinion, no better than the other ones (i. e. just as average) and not worth the cost differential to me. The original poster can check bitstyle and the other bj bars and make his own judgment.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2099883]I remember Kan and Apple from a few years ago. Outstanding.[/QUOTE]I also have very fond memories of Kan -- nice rack & ass; great kisser. I had her for several overnights. One morning while I was blissfully plugging her pussy from behind, she surprised me by suddenly inserting my cock into her Hershey highway! I also had Apple and her "sister" Cherry quite a few times when they were newbies. However, my favorite Mango of all time was Soda, a sweetie from Chiang Mai who was a hottie and provided great service!! Those were the days.

Hi,

Can any of my fellow mongers provide a current price for taking two bi / Lesbian girls for 3-hours from Shark, Suzie Wong's or Crazy House. Any insight appreciated and, of course, full detailed report to follow.

Thanks.

Packed with mongers, not a lot of ladies but not a bad selection either. The last time I walked thru I was right off the beach in Hawaii and didn't get much attention or smiles. This time I wore nice high end clothes and not only did I receive smiles of the come get me type, but I was approached by ladies twice offering their services. Prices were quoted from 1500 to 2500 baht for a short time.

I always come back with the "but I'm an old man and it takes longer request", which they always reply ok until finish. At my age I am lucky to finish, but I have had a lady every night since I arrived last Friday and they work very hard to help you finish. I think it is a matter of pride for these ladies. They feel very sorry and want to continue to do everything to make you finish. I was offered a no condom deal for an additional 1000 baht, and last night she wanted me to come quick so she took off the condom and just ask me to please not cum inside, and pull out to finish.

So I have the meds to keep it up, now I need the meds to cum quicker. Life's irony is when your young you get excited and cum in 1 minute and as you get older it takes longer and longer.

6 more daze and back to the real world.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2100329]
So I have the meds to keep it up, now I need the meds to cum quicker.

RL.[/QUOTE]Yes me too. I have tried all sorts of vitamins but nothing really makes me cum quicker other than being deprived of all pops for at least a week. LOL.

I can report that giving up wanking is beneficial, not that anyone should need to wank in Thailand unless trying to solve the "pop too quick" problem.

[QUOTE=StarMariner;2100243]Hi,

Can any of my fellow mongers provide a current price for taking two bi / Lesbian girls for 3-hours from Shark, Suzie Wong's or Crazy House. Any insight appreciated and, of course, full detailed report to follow.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Normal girl price, multiplied by two. You just pay each girl, as normal. There should not be any extras. We can't specify there is any one price that applies to all girls and to all customers. Normal ST is not to 3 hours, so you will have negotiate a special deal for that. I have never tried to get more than 2 hours for ST unless was an all night (obviously not ST in that case).

Beware that some ST Hotels will try to double the price. That is not on, since the girls have nothing to do with them, just for an extra towel, in my opinion. Adding 50 Baht or so is more reasonable.

In Shark, gogo girls tall Patty (big tits - enhanced but very soft - can't find the silicone) and Maa (medium tits) and very sexy, are offering me 3-somes. Both are very kissy girls and DFK no problem. I get tongue kisses from both just by buying them a drink. Both were originally Suzi Wong girls, in the better looking category. Yesterday the prices for the lady drinks were fucked up by the bar staff (in a good way - cheaper than they should be) when the two girls ordered "black and coke" instead of tequilas. That was a nice surprise. My well known waitress confirmed I got lucky with a billing mistake.

My most regular CH girl is too shy to do 3somes. probably Jane No. 4 might be a good choice although no idea if she can lick pussy.

Suzie Wong is completely dead for me since the Management take over, although may have some girls that can do 3 some remaining there. New manager lady is a crazy drunk with a Mohawk hair cut and seems get huge numbers from drinks from the customers by pushy methods, maybe girls are required to request drinks for her too.

[QUOTE=StarMariner;2100243]Hi,

Can any of my fellow mongers provide a current price for taking two bi / Lesbian girls for 3-hours from Shark, Suzie Wong's or Crazy House. Any insight appreciated and, of course, full detailed report to follow.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I had almost exactly that from Shark, these were not the inside girls but were the girls from outside that coax you to come inside. Had a drink with the one that brought me in and we chatted for about 15 minutes. Later, her friend from outside joined us for a second drink. Made a deal for short time in my Soi 11 hotel. If I recall, the bar fine was 700 baht each. I paid 3000 baht to each girl.

We walked to my Soi 11 hotel and spent about 90 minutes in my hotel room, next time will do a taxi. Great three-way shower shortly after arrival. I did get dual BBBJ, but the sex required change of condoms, which at my age was very difficult. Only 1 girl would kiss me. They really were not into each other. Short impersonal three-way shower at the end.

The first girl was very pretty and personable, I was shocked when she told me her age was 37. The second girl was not as pretty and not great to talk to, but had firmer body that felt great, perhaps 22-26. Both girls spoke fluent English. I might repeat with the older girl, but it will be a long time before I do another 3-way. It was a nice change of pace, but I think one girl is enough for me.

This was about 2 weeks ago and late at night. I think I arrived at Shark shortly before midnight and they left my hotel room at about 3:00 am.

This was my first Soi Cowboy or Nana girl experience since February. I've found the Lords' Palace to be a better overall experience, though one Lords' girl costs about the same as I paid for 2 Shark girls. The right Thermae girl is the best value for me, though the wrong Thermae girl is a lifeless waste of time and money.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2100133]I never said any I had were beautiful. They were not. I just stated, for the benefit of the original poster, that the bitstyle girls were, in my opinion, no better than the other ones (i. e. just as average) and not worth the cost differential to me. The original poster can check bitstyle and the other bj bars and make his own judgment.[/QUOTE]Apologies. I interpreted "checking their website" as meaning going by the looks in the photos. Still would be helpful to name names and state which girls were tried and performed rather average, and even what makes all the girls so average. Or who is the best girl tried.

Most of my experiences found such huge variations in girl performances ranging from absolute crap, to very forgettable (not repeatable), to repeat girls, to long term favourites. I used to repeat Anne in LOL-itas regularly till she quit simply because she was an enthusiastic fuck and a great ass. The looks and body obviously mattered a lot to me.

[QUOTE=Bigstud;2100146]I also have very fond memories of Kan -- nice rack & ass; great kisser. I had her for several overnights. One morning while I was blissfully plugging her pussy from behind, she surprised me by suddenly inserting my cock into her Hershey highway! I also had Apple and her "sister" Cherry quite a few times when they were newbies. However, my favorite Mango of all time was Soda, a sweetie from Chiang Mai who was a hottie and provided great service!! Those were the days.[/QUOTE]Anybody or shop you can recommend that has pretty girls like these old timers? Attitude and demeanor are also important. Nice ones are harder and harder to find.

[QUOTE=StarMariner;2100243]Hi,

Can any of my fellow mongers provide a current price for taking two bi / Lesbian girls for 3-hours from Shark, Suzie Wong's or Crazy House. Any insight appreciated and, of course, full detailed report to follow.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]In the last couple of years I have taken two girls 3 times from CH and once from Baccara, last time Feb this year, no extra price for the fun. Had to pay 500 B for extra girl at a hotel once, can't remember which hotel that was. Make sure you have a few condoms available though as I always had to change between girls. I choose my preferred girl for LT, between 4000-5000 B and then whilst having a drink or two find out who she is keen to join us, have never had a poor second choice, the second one I only take for ST, 2000-3000 B.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2100112]
In the Bitstyle pics, Ojung and Malee look acceptable to me with a taste for skinny girls. I would like to hear if they were experienced, good GFE service, and worth a try. Any positive recommendations can be useful maybe if someone says why they liked the girl.
Mogwai did good by mentioning Kiki. Her face is maybe not quite my spec (sharpish LOL), but doable.[/QUOTE]I've had Ojung too, about a year ago I think. She was OK. If I remember correctly I had to 'teach' her to blow me continuously instead of interrupting it all the time to jerk me off. She was a good student. From that moment on she did not stop anymore until I came, even though that took another 10 minutes or so.

By the way, all of the girls I've been with there (4 or 5 in total I think) were sweet and friendly but Kiki was the only one who gave me a real GFE (initiated by herself). So this is certainly not standard.

The other girls I had are not in the photo gallery anymore. Or I don't recognize them anymore LOL.

I hope to try Bitstyle out on Thursday and have the Lingam / Prostrate massage, I will play it by ear which girl to choose, I may try going about 2-00 pm.
I have made a note for 90 mins massage at BitStyle, with 45 for Prostrate and 45 for Lingam, to try and get some power into my shots.:)

A report will follow if I make it and I do not get distracted elsewhere. .

[QUOTE=Gus69;2100461]I hope to try Bitstyle out on Thursday and have the Lingam / Prostrate massage, I will play it by ear which girl to choose, I may try going about 2-00 pm.
I have made a note for 90 mins massage at BitStyle, with 45 for Prostrate and 45 for Lingam, to try and get some power into my shots.:)

A report will follow if I make it and I do not get distracted elsewhere. .[/QUOTE]Is Lingam a dildo? If not what is Lingam?

I was walking on Sukhemvit 33, when I saw a tall girl standing beside dreams of heaven. I wondered how cool it would be to fuck her and my Johnny seconded the motion and gave a standing ovation.

Immediately I chucked the idea of visiting addict massage parlour and decided to try out Dreams in heaven as my first massage parlour in Bangkok. I went inside. The mamasan gave me the rate card and I decided for 90 minutes massage in the VIP room 2400 bath. I had asked him how many times I could pop and he said only once. I asked for the line-up and among them three girls were smiling I chose the best looking smiling girl and off I went with her.

Inside the room she showed me the condoms and told me that I can fuck and then started to feel up my dick and started asking do you want to fuck me repeatedly, I said yes and she told me to remove my clothes. She seemed to be very eager and horny as if she was not fucked from ages and I was her knight with shining dick.

I asked her for BBBJ she told me to wash my junk after washing my dick we were back into bed and she gave a pretty decent BJ. Afterwards she put the condom and started with cow girl. The condom was tight but I was not complaining that much after fucking her in various positions I came. She was disappointed that I came to early and then we went to the Jacuzzi. There she started watching Facebook videos and I was chilling and getting rest afterwards yet again went to the bed. This time I lasted a bit longer and came again in doggy position. While pulling her hair. It seemed as if she wanted more but I was done and left I gave her a tip of 500 bath.

Overall the session was very good and I was very satisfied with the service and I'm pretty sure she was disappointed with my sexual performance.

Massage parlours have a very robust seen and I think every beginner should start with them to minimise the risk of poor service and good heuristic would be to choose a girl who is smiling at you.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;2100530]Is Lingam a dildo? If not what is Lingam?[/QUOTE]Lingam is sanskrit form Penis.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2100329]The last time I walked thru I was right off the beach in Hawaii and didn't get much attention or smiles. This time I wore nice high end clothes and not only did I receive smiles of the come get me type, but I was approached by ladies twice offering their services.

RL.[/QUOTE]Lot of guys here complain about Thermae and how it is only good for Asians. But is dressing the club style the key to be successful in Thermae? The above report has activated my almonds.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2100546]Lot of guys here complain about Thermae and how it is only good for Asians. But is dressing the club style the key to be successful in Thermae? The above report has activated my almonds.[/QUOTE]Last time I been in Thermae I wear shorts and tshirt, I had a quick drink and walk around, alot of girls smiled at me. I'm a white european guy, so dressing could help of course but is not the key.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2100615] I'm a white european guy, so dressing could help of course but is not the key.[/QUOTE]Last time I went, only Asians guys were in demand, to be honest I felt jealous. Lots of white men sitting in the middle and sipping their beers, even the young white guys. I got lucky and managed to get a girl but it was purely luck. What should be a good strategy in Thermae other than be attractive and don't be unattractive?

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2100641]Last time I went, only Asians guys were in demand, to be honest I felt jealous. Lots of white men sitting in the middle and sipping their beers, even the young white guys. I got lucky and managed to get a girl but it was purely luck. What should be a good strategy in Thermae other than be attractive and don't be unattractive?[/QUOTE]I pulled a Laotian lady last night from Thermae. Again I think if you look good and clean and talk to a lot of the ladies, joking and always a smile on your face, it seems very easy. They like a guy with a friendly attitude so just go for it. BTW, she agreed on 1500 baht. But many I talked to wanted 2500 but also were ready to nego, saying "how much you want to pay" A lot of competition in there for the ladies so they realize that it might be to their benefit to take a lower offer.

Thermae appears to be a Japaness boys club. Most leave without taking a lady. The older Japanese guys are doing the buying. I think the ladies know that and are more willing to take what comes their way, instead of waiting for the Japanese guy. Also the Lady I took said that the Japanese guys are getting cheap and try to lowball the prices offered.

RL.

I never had any issues at Thermae as a 40's american white guy dressed in nice shorts and a polo shirt. Of course there was a subset of girls that didn't make eye contact and had no interest, but I've always been able to find a girl or ten per trip that caught my fancy and was able to negotiate a good evening with. Never paid less than 1500ST and never more than 2500ST (never done LT directly from Thermae).

Key is confidence and not worrying if you get shot down - if your hottest pick says japanese only, then move on to the next. I've never gone past my top 3 before I found a girl who would go with a farang

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2100748]I never had any issues at Thermae as a 40's american white guy dressed in nice shorts and a polo shirt. Of course there was a subset of girls that didn't make eye contact and had no interest, but I've always been able to find a girl or ten per trip that caught my fancy and was able to negotiate a good evening with. Never paid less than 1500ST and never more than 2500ST (never done LT directly from Thermae).

Key is confidence and not worrying if you get shot down - if your hottest pick says japanese only, then move on to the next. I've never gone past my top 3 before I found a girl who would go with a farang[/QUOTE]Was in Thermae a few times last week (on the days it was open) and no worries at all. I'm a 60's guy (shall I say I look younger like every other poster here says LOL) . And there was no worries in finding what I wanted. Thermae has become a sort of playground for all rather than being East Asian only. Sadly Biergarten is in its death throws. Quiet and so poor now.

Having said that I object to paying to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in the open, next to a kitchen (Health Regs anyone?). But such is life. Not a biggie.

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2100748]I never had any issues at Thermae as a 40's american white guy dressed in nice shorts and a polo shirt. Of course there was a subset of girls that didn't make eye contact and had no interest, but I've always been able to find a girl or ten per trip that caught my fancy and was able to negotiate a good evening with. Never paid less than 1500ST and never more than 2500ST (never done LT directly from Thermae).

Key is confidence and not worrying if you get shot down - if your hottest pick says japanese only, then move on to the next. I've never gone past my top 3 before I found a girl who would go with a farang[/QUOTE]Yes it is definitely possible for Farangs to get girls in the Thermae. Some girls are asking for extra 500 baht for Farangs. Usually my top picks are not interested in Farangs, or even if they will go with surcharge are not giving me the good vibe. Sometimes I have just been beaten to the girl by very fast Japanese customer. Then you have the issue of what percentage of girls are into DFK. Then there is how many girls are not wrecked by surgeries. Etc. How much stamina do the girls have. Is the outfit hiding a not so great body? It is not that easy to get the perfect girl.

I find that dropping down to my 4th of 5th preference girl, causes me to lose the motivation to actually go for it. Others that are willing to take their not first preference will be okay Depends on how far you will drop your looks requirement and how many knock backs will leave you totally undeterred. Most of us are coming from past experience in a Soapy, Oily or bar, where we choose the best girl in the line up to our personal spec, and then it is rare to experience the knock backs (but can happen). Hardly ever more than one knock back in a bar.

Do I think nice shorts and a polo shirt make a difference? I doubt it. Personally I don't wear shorts. I usually do have a better shirt with collar but doubt it makes a scrap of difference. There have to be other factors, like attitude, friendliness, manner of speaking, clean and not stinky, physical size, etc. , but most of all nationality or race.

Thermae is going to be fine for some guys, but not the best hunting ground for me. None of the girls I actually took recently were worth repeating, at all. All well behind my best bargirls for performance on the bed, or even if performance was okay, then the body unclothed was just not good enough.

To get everything right is not that easy. Definitely suits customers easier to please. I don't have much luck with getting free lancers off the street either unless will to take a girl with much weaker looks than my normal standard.

Naked or very scantily clad girls for me, all the way. LOL Just my need to see what I am getting, to eliminate some of the risks. This makes me a very odd monger I guess, especially since I will take girls with hardly any tits if the rest of the figure is very good. I will take mothers as well with very minimal figure damage. Just get turned off by flab, fat thighs, and severe sag. I have to accept that I am becoming a difficult customer, way beyond the norm, and need very special girls, sleek models (too short is allowable of course). Hardly motivated to try new girls any more. Just my probably of success has dropped off over the years.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2100721]the Lady I took said that the Japanese guys are getting cheap and try to lowball the prices offered.[/QUOTE]Best news I have heard in a year!

What you wear at Thermae makes no difference. Just don't wear a wife beater shirt. As long as you look clean and smell clean you're in.

There may be a reason a girl doesn't look at you. I was at a G club in Pattaya last week and the girl I wanted wouldn't even make eye contact with me. Instead she stared at the wall the entire time. She was the only one I wanted there so I went to talk to her. She was super friendly and turned out she was brand new and just super shy. Same thing happened 3 weeks ago at another G club. The one I wanted was the one who didn't look at me. I just went to sit on the sofa with her. When I made her laugh a bit she opened up. She is now a girl I visit often. Don't be shy to approach the girl you want. Have confidence but do not be cocky. Thai girls HATE cocky guys.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2100721]

Thermae appears to be a Japaness boys club. Most leave without taking a lady. The older Japanese guys are doing the buying. I think the ladies know that and are more willing to take what comes their way, instead of waiting for the Japanese guy. Also the Lady I took said that the Japanese guys are getting cheap and try to lowball the prices offered.

RL.[/QUOTE]I've been saying that about Japanese customers for quite a while; that many of them are stingy as hell and likely do not overpay or even pay as much as most Farang customers pay. I got blowback from a poster here for saying some girls don't want to go with Japanese customers for that and other reasons. The blowback was they supposedly only told me that to make me feel good. Ok. 3-4 years ago I used to take a very popular FL who never had a problem getting a customer and ignored the Japanese guys who approached her. I'd seen her doing it from a distance before she knew I was in the area. She did it quite openly. And that was her assessment of Japanese customers; penny pinchers, always trying to work a cheaper deal, terrified of paying one baht more than the going rate for a girl and always had to walk away thinking they'd gotten a better deal than Farangs or anyone else. I used to give her 1,500 max for ST, often she would stay longtime for that amount. Hardly a super high cost lady. I believe the word on Japanese customers being cheapos has gotten around Thermae as well and that is why so many more girls are open to Farang customers than they might have been a few years ago.

Many girls in Thermae would have no idea that their Japanese customers are not paying one baht more than the next Farang who walks into the place would because they have never taken a Farang so they have nothing to compare them to. All they know for sure is the Japanese guys pay them a lot more than any Thai guy ever did. Hey, no kidding? I suppose the girls who are willing to talk price would have a notion. But some won't even do that when a Farang approaches them or cannot due to no English fluency.

Anyway, Thermae is a weird case because it became a self-fulfilling prophesy; many Japanese guys go there expecting to be preferred by the ladies because almost everybody who talks about Thermae likely repeats the montra that the girls at Thermae prefer Japanese customers. Including right here on these message boards. LOL. So, naturally, Japanese customers started showing up at Thermae by the busload. If we regularly read on the message boards that the girls at XYZ Club much prefer Farangs and can't wait for one to take them, busloads of Farangs would start showing up at XYZ Club (no such club by that name that I know of, BTW). Regardless, once it is known by girls working in a P4P location that every 30 minutes or so another busload of Japanese will show up looking for a lady, unless the non Japanese guy standing in front of them is exuding some special vibe re money, fun or ease of use, they tend to want to wait a few minutes to see what the next busload of Japanese guys brings. And that would probably be true for Norwegians if a busload of Norwegians showed up every 30 minutes or so.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2100721]I pulled a Laotian lady last night from Thermae. Again I think if you look good and clean and talk to a lot of the ladies, joking and always a smile on your face, it seems very easy. They like a guy with a friendly attitude so just go for it. BTW, she agreed on 1500 baht. But many I talked to wanted 2500 but also were ready to nego, saying "how much you want to pay" A lot of competition in there for the ladies so they realize that it might be to their benefit to take a lower offer.

Thermae appears to be a Japaness boys club. Most leave without taking a lady. The older Japanese guys are doing the buying. I think the ladies know that and are more willing to take what comes their way, instead of waiting for the Japanese guy. Also the Lady I took said that the Japanese guys are getting cheap and try to lowball the prices offered.

RL.[/QUOTE]Most girls I am keen on are also in demand by Japanese customers. If they can go with me at all, they typically want to charge me a 500 Baht surcharge on top of the price for Japanese. In a way, this is fair in that I will expect them to work far harder for me. No 5 minutes and pop. However it tends to mean their price is not as attractive as it is for Asian customers.

However it is unclear that the girl is going to perform well enough to warrant me paying her price anyway. I would prefer a girl with no price specified and let me pay her fairly based on her performance. This often happens to me with normal bar girls.

I certainly never had any girl happy to go for 1500 Baht in recent times from Thermae. Some are saying "well yes, but 3000" which is not exactly exciting and I did not buy. I am sure there are cheaper girls there, but I just don't seem to pick the girls not in demand. They must look just too ordinary for me.

If I had to go through a tough negotiation, it would probably kill my interest totally. I believe I see Japanese going through more extended negotiations, but that is not going to work for me.

I have a regular girl who seems to be too lazy to go out to her normal bar to work. This is great, because she gets low on money regularly and has to come to my place to get some money. Most days would rather come to me than go to work. So I avoid the BF and lady drinks charges, and the ST Hotel, and get a very sleek model who is reliable on the bed. For my all night Girl, I go to her place now. I also have a very reliable girl in Shark now who gives a very extended ST. Never had a negotiation with her. She never quoted a price. My incentive to keep trying the Thermae has dwindled. I need to be very desperate. I need to look around for some other good really cheap options yet still good looks, but did not find that in Thermae so far. Maybe it is unrealistic, however I used to like Anne at Loli-tas for a low price.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2100806]
Anyway, Thermae is a weird case because it became a self-fulfilling prophesy; many Japanese guys go there expecting to be preferred by the ladies because almost everybody who talks about Thermae likely repeats the montra that the girls at Thermae prefer Japanese customers. Including right here on these message boards. LOL. So, naturally, Japanese customers started showing up at Thermae by the busload. If we regularly read on the message boards that the girls at XYZ Club much prefer Farangs and can't wait for one to take them, busloads of Farangs would start showing up at XYZ Club (no such club by that name that I know of, BTW). Regardless, once it is known by girls working in a P4P location that every 30 minutes or so another busload of Japanese will show up looking for a lady, unless the non Japanese guy standing in front of them is exuding some special vibe re money, fun or ease of use, they tend to want to wait a few minutes to see what the next busload of Japanese guys brings. And that would probably be true for Norwegians if a busload of Norwegians showed up every 30 minutes or so.[/QUOTE]Always the funniest imaginative logic coming from you. Always cracks me up somewhat.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2100882]Most girls I am keen on are also in demand by Japanese customers. If they can go with me at all, they typically want to charge me a 500 Baht surcharge on top of the price for Japanese. In a way, this is fair in that I will expect them to work far harder for me. No 5 minutes and pop. However it tends to mean their price is not as attractive as it is for Asian customers.

However it is unclear that the girl is going to perform well enough to warrant me paying her price anyway. I would prefer a girl with no price specified and let me pay her fairly based on her performance. This often happens to me with normal bar girls.

I certainly never had any girl happy to go for 1500 Baht in recent times from Thermae. Some are saying "well yes, but 3000" which is not exactly exciting and I did not buy. I am sure there are cheaper girls there, but I just don't seem to pick the girls not in demand. They must look just too ordinary for me.

If I had to go through a tough negotiation, it would probably kill my interest totally. I believe I see Japanese going through more extended negotiations, but that is not going to work for me.
[/QUOTE]Well, if the general consensus here among Farangs is that the most often quoted price in Thermae is about 2500 baht (which itself might include a 500 baht Farang surcharge) and even your top quality girls presumably favored by Japanese are still quoting 3000 baht with a possible 500 baht Farang surcharge in that quote, then it doesn't require much imaginative logic to conclude that very, very few if any Thermae girls are expecting or getting more than 2000-2500 from their Japanese customers and that this idea that Japanese customers are overpaying should be put to rest for good.

And based on what I've read here and the usual surveys showing a majority of men finishing up in less than 4-5 minutes, that supposed surcharge can't possibly be about time or effort involved with the rare exception of someone like yourself.

Which mostly leaves the element of size as a factor. Other than mere fear of the unkniwn, that is. Even then, we're not really talking about a significant difference between what the Japanese guys are paying and what the rest of us are paying. Unless it turns out the Japanese guys are only paying 1000-1500 baht. Which, as imaginative as that might sound, is frankly more plausible to me than conjuring up some image of a Japanese dude happily paying more than an amount he knows a Farang would have to pay.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2100930]Well, if the general consensus here among Farangs is that the most often quoted price in Thermae is about 2500 baht (which itself might include a 500 baht Farang surcharge) and even your top quality girls presumably favored by Japanese are still quoting 3000 baht with a possible 500 baht Farang surcharge in that quote, then it doesn't require much imaginative logic to conclude that very, very few if any Thermae girls are expecting or getting more than 2000-2500 from their Japanese customers and that this idea that Japanese customers are overpaying should be put to rest for good.

And based on what I've read here and the usual surveys showing a majority of men finishing up in less than 4-5 minutes, that supposed surcharge can't possibly be about time or effort involved with the rare exception of someone like yourself.

Which mostly leaves the element of size as a factor. Other than mere fear of the unkniwn, that is. Even then, we're not really talking about a significant difference between what the Japanese guys are paying and what the rest of us are paying. Unless it turns out the Japanese guys are only paying 1000-1500 baht. Which, as imaginative as that might sound, is frankly more plausible to me than conjuring up some image of a Japanese dude happily paying more than an amount he knows a Farang would have to pay.[/QUOTE]I honestly don't give a flying fuck what others pay! I pay whatever I think the girl is worth at the time. If one is just looking for a hole to put their dick in, then please continue these price discussions and banter about the Japanese customers. It has always been my opinion that if both parties are happy, the session will be enjoyable for both. If one or the other is not happy, the session will completely suck. Think about that everyone the next time you try and negotiate for that 500 less.

This wasn't the way I wanted to post my 1000th post but you guys are seriously killing me with this topic and the other one about the taste of semen.

So my next review will be post #1001 from Enter bar again.