Just to straighten a few things out!
There is not difference in the danger level between following a pimp and a gal up to a place, than a brothel wih yellow lights or going to a short stay hotel. They are all run by criminals and if they want to shake you down, you are justed as fecked in any situation and I have tried all the scenarios that you have reported on, e.g. if some thugs burst into your hotel room or the brothel says the gal is $300 but then want to charge you $100 for the towels... what are you going to do about it?
As for your definition of a 141, you are wrong. A 141 is where 1 woman works out of 1 address. If there is more that 1 woman at a place when the cops hit then it is an illegal brothel. You can take anyone to love hotel / short stay hostel whether you pay her or not and it is not illegal but the act of procurring her downstairs is illegal, just not easy to catch.
[QUOTE=Undercoverh]Note that pimping in HK is NOT legal. Therefore, the pimp, the SW, and the customer is subject to arrest. Why risk it, just use a 141 which is legal in HK.
Last month, I was in HK, and for fun I observed the setup between the pimps, girl, and customer on Portland street.
An old guy took the offer of the pimp. At that point, the girl starting walking for two blocks to a upstairs room, several feet behind the girl was the pimp, several feet behind the pimp was the customer (they do this to avoid the appearance of pimping to the cops). When the old guy got to the door for the upstairs room, he was not sure about going up. The pimp had to assure him everything was ok for him to come up to the girls room, so the old guy went. In my opinion, this old guy was a fool. He should have never went up to an unknown room with two unknown people. Who knows who is waiting for him and what crime will take place.
Ok, some guys will use pimps in HK, hey, that's their choice in life--and they do so at their own risk! In my opinion, sex in this situation is not worth the risk.
As for the yellow signs ad signs on the street for the upstairs hotels, I have used a few of these. The cops, if they are in the mood, may raid these places. In situations like these, the cops tend the be less tough on the customer (as long as you have your passport ( I carry a copy of my passport and keep my actual passport in the hotel safe). By law, these places are not legal--but the cops go along with it (payoffs) and turn their head--most of the time. 37 Dundas is a different setup then the yellow signs. At 37 D, the girls leave the KTV, and go to a hotel on the upper level of the building, they sign in (not the customer), therefore this is not pimping, the girl is working as an 141 (one girl for one customer in a private room--in this case a hotel room).[/QUOTE]
If we are going to post our resumes here...
Having lived in Hong Kong for nearly 20 years and first going to the building on Dundas Street 15 years ago when the best service was provided on the 8th floor where there was a room at the end of the hallway with a round bed and mirrors on the ceiling and Malaysians were $260 a pop. I also had my office in Mong Kok for a few years and was going to the entertainment establishments about 3 times a week. It got to the point I went so often that local mongers would ask me where to go and some of the people that ran the places would tell me whether gals were worth doing or not rather than risk losing my business and that of the guys that came with me. One place I used to frequent actually called back the photographers from the ****** and sextvb website to reshoot the gals photos because I said they looked like shit (and I was there to watch them do it, what a great job to have.)
I just don't want you to get a false sense of security and relying on false info that chosing any 1 option is any less risky and this is based on over 1,000 experiences.
[QUOTE=Undercoverh]If you have a different set of experiences, that’s fine. However, by quickly concluding I am wrong and you are right, you are overlooking an obvious fact. Consider the fact that two highly quialied professionals (e.g., doctors, attorneys, etc.) could review the same situation and come to completely different opinions. I assume you know this happens all the time. That’s what we have here, a difference of opinion.
Based on my experiences (past 10 years traveling to HK) and reliable resources (two good male friends who live in HK) I have presented the facts as I experienced it.[/QUOTE]
Jordan Sauna & Noble Sauna reviews
Okay, had two days in Hong Kong and tried my old stopping grounds. First, the usual low-end Jordan Sauna, had good service by the girl was a little chunky around the hips. Still very cute and provided a real nice HJ. Massage was really good. She wouldn't take off all her clothes, but I got most off. Probably was scared in case of a raid...LOL! Anyway 500 HKD was the total. Not all showers working, sauna was out of action. All remembered me. But I think that's if for Jordan from me.
Next day was Noble Sauna in TST. Had the most brilliant girl. Noble is always hit-or-miss, but this time it was a hit. She was total GFE, always throwing kisses and we hit it off. Hope to see her again. She stripped naked and gave me a super HJ. Massage was good too. Best part was she could actually speak acceptible English, so I didn't have to go with the "you learn English, I learn Cantonese" nonsense. Across from us there was a small commotion and we stopped what we were doing and watched out the window. This guy wanted another girl so the mamasan brought in this blonde, he refused her. Then another smaller Asian girl. He ended up taking her. My girl said, "Those guys, they think they want Miss Hong Kong. They are nothing but trouble". You could say I loved that entire moment, like a big sister and me on an equal platform. Why can't I find a Japanese girlfriend like that, I ask, who actually has a brain? Maybe my future wife will end up from Hong Kong, me thinks. But I'm never without hope. LOL! Total for the whole thing was $968 Hong Kong Dollars. It was $818 for the girl and when I mentioned the price last year at $798, she said "Wow, you haven't been here for a long time!". $150 HKD to get my toenails cut. I swear it's still $98 for that in Macau's saunas which I'll be going to in July.
Gyaos.
Best go first time with a wingman
Don't know if you are Chinese or speak it but first time is best if you go with a regular like Undercoverh to a friend's regular haunt. I had a not so enjoyable time when visiting the 141 across from the big "P&L" lighting sign in Argyle street a few years ago. Got to the 141 but it was closed as it was after midnight so decided to try the brothel on the first floor. Place was empty, maybe I should have left but not ever having a bad experience, decided to try and was taken to a room and watched porn for over 10 minutes. Asked what type of gal I wanted, said young, cute and good service (like it really matters what you say). As it was taking too long, I decided to reject whoever showed up and leave. Then they brought in this stunner, petite, 5'2 and just any schoolboys wet dream. Off came the clothes and she had the palest pink pussy lips. Service was great with BBBJCIM. She even played with my cum rubbing it between her fingers and asking why is it so thick. I had just done a hotel job in the afternoon. I thought, what a find and must do repeats another day with this one. Now the downer, come to pay and the counter guy says $360. Now the hugh yellow sigh says "300". He says that is for happy hour and the fee has already been set buy the boss. I say if there is a sign that says $360, I will pay. He leads me to the back stairwell where there is a large postage stamp sigh saying $360, Happy hour 4am - 11am $300. Pay and never go back, their loss not mine. I could have called some local thugs to talk it out but for the sake of $60, forget it. But she was a hellava lay.
There are good shops and bad shops. Just be careful and ask the price upfront!
[QUOTE=Liondale]Thanks Bjk, Undercoverh and Bob for your input!
I thought those yellow sign places looked pretty scary when you stand there alone, but might give them a try this week. Curiosity killed the cat, but I am damn curious about seeing one of those places :)
In 37 Dundas, do they also have girls of different nationalities?
Is this 37 Dundas one establishment or many (floors), if many, which is the better one?[/QUOTE]
