Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3064817]I'm here for two weeks so I think ten sessions with me would be better than one. And I might come back in a few months. And I might have friends who would like to hear about a great provider. These women have a business. They need to act like it.[/QUOTE]That's how you think, that's not how they think. They know full well that you have about 1000 other choices within 5 minutes walking distance and you are likely to choose those girls and never see her again. They know that punters often lie about duration of vacations and potential friend customers. They know that any friends also have about 1000 choices. Once they have possession of the cash you donate, there isn't a great chance that you or your friends will give more. She has very little reason to do anything above what she considers the bare minimum. With pay after, she knows that her shitty performance might cause you to withhold payment.

But if her orgasm is that important to you and you really think prepayment will help, go ahead and prepay. I believe most hooker orgasms are faked, not Harry Met Sally fakes, but just enough to make the customer feel good about himself.

My solution to the problem is to hire girls through the same mamasan day after day and trip after trip. I tip mamasan every time I see her and I tip her big every time I do bar fine. In exchange, mamasan tells the girls that I'm good customer and I need to be treated right. I'm old man and sometimes I struggle to finish. These girls go to extreme lengths to get me to finish because they keep mamasan happy by keeping me happy. Even with mamasan supporting me, I still pay after.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3064789]CIP or CIM aren't particularly important to me, however this attitude of scamming customers just amazes me. Maybe I have been lucky and I am not super experienced however I haven't seen this kind of craziness anywhere else. Don't women want repeat customers, word of mouth advertising or good online reviews? It's as if they are completely living in the moment and after this visit to me they are retiring. At any rate, I really don't like this attitude at all. I want to feel that she wants a good relationship with a good customer and not that I have to hold a gun to her head to make her serve me. I'll take my money to a different country.[/QUOTE]You can Try some of the Massage places Sukhumvit, I personally Recommend Wonder, Deep & Smile Massage.

For Freelances you can try Thermae Bar on Sukhumvit, they screen the girls so you'll only get women and no Ladyboys.

Online there is massagerepublic also there are some decent girls but overpriced. Look for verified girls with some reviews.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3064821]Probably like everyone else reading this forum they clicked on the TF links that you posted. One has removed all her photos and the other has deleted her profile altogether. Most likely as a direct result of you posting their details on a public forum. Remember TF is a dating site not a sex for hire site.

Don't pretend to give a flying f'k about your fellow humans. A little respect would go a long way.[/QUOTE]IMO, there's nothing wrong with posting links to TF-freelancers, good or bad. Rather, it should be encouraged so we can know who to stay away from and who can be recommended, and thaifriendly is also a public site.

Girls looking for dates: no. Freelancers: yes.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3064863]IMO, there's nothing wrong with posting links to TF-freelancers, good or bad. Rather, it should be encouraged so we can know who to stay away from and who can be recommended, and thaifriendly is also a public site.

Girls looking for dates: no. Freelancers: yes.[/QUOTE]I think with a site like TF there is a line, a grey area perhaps but it's not like sites such as Massagerepublic or Fiwfan spin offs. They are sex for sale sites, TF isn't. Also it's not strictly a public site, you have to sign up to an account to be able to browse profiles, photos, message girls. They aren't "public" in the purest sense. We all know as well that TF doesn't allow girls to openly advertise as FL's, if they do they could be banned and lose their income stream, so they have to be discreet.

Furthermore as we all know the majority of girls on TF are part-timers or amateur's looking for some extra cash. Some of them are looking for relationships and just enjoy a bit of fun on the side. At the end of the days a lot of these girls have families, kids, friends, jobs and deserve some respect and privacy.

Clearly if one has deleted their profile already and the other has taken all their photos down, it's safe to assume it's probably because of the actions of premature shooters posts here. I am sure he won't like it if we posted his profile pics all over the internet?

Also one of the forum rules here is to not post picture links to people hosted on other sites, it's highlighted every time we make a post by the mods.

[QUOTE=Sargeant;3064625]Sorry for the confusion, my bad. BK: Bangkok FKK: Clubs in Germany. Actually going to have a layover in Frankfurt on my way back from SE Asia so that I can enjoy several hours at Sharks FKK club. I clearly have issues! LOL.[/QUOTE]I do it on my way in. I'm coming back.

I thought that Thai Friendly was a freelancer site. The links I posted were for freelancers. If someone messages them offering money for sex I don't think that they would have a problem with that.

In the many other locations that I have been I have never felt like I was really blatantly scammed and treated like an idiot the way that I have been in Bangkok. This only represents a small sampling. I haven't met thousands of women so it might just be bad luck.

I think it's a cultural thing. My personal, limited assessment: South American women have been kind, decent professionals. Eastern European women have been some great some not that great. (You might say it's Russian Roulette pun intended LOL). Bangkok is crazy town. Although I will add that the high end "massage" locations may be really good. Something in the 6500 to 10000 baht per hour range ($200 to $300) however I would rather go to South America and spend $65 to $100 for similar service.

Thai Friendly is a dating app that has been co-opted to varying degrees by FLs looking for business. IME, about 50% of the women on TF in Bangkok are really looking for relationships and not business. In Pattaya, OTOH, about 90% of the women are FLs and the other 10% are negotiable.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3064923]In the many other locations that I have been I have never felt like I was really blatantly scammed and treated like an idiot the way that I have been in Bangkok. This only represents a small sampling. I haven't met thousands of women so it might just be bad luck.

I think it's a cultural thing. My personal, limited assessment: South American women have been kind, decent professionals. Eastern European women have been some great some not that great. (You might say it's Russian Roulette pun intended LOL). Bangkok is crazy town. Although I will add that the high end "massage" locations may be really good. Something in the 6500 to 10000 baht per hour range ($200 to $300) however I would rather go to South America and spend $65 to $100 for similar service.[/QUOTE]There are a lot of lonely men visiting Thailand and all of them consider Thailand to be the sex capital of the world. A lot of them participate in the sex industry. Most people come with the idea of replicating what they see in the porn industry, whether they are able to perform is another story but the working girls are used to being fucked in the pussy, ass or facefucked by most of the guys they meet. When you go over there and want to perform only a pussy massage you are being labeled as a very easy customer (especially considering the prices you've been quoted and willing to pay, not to mention that some girls are not feeling comfortable with other peoples fingers in their pussy). To the opposite of your idea that they are going to cherish you and try to keep you as their best choice, they will tend to offer you the lowest level of service they are usually giving, just because in their mind, you are a very easily satisfied customer. Your habit of giving them the money upfront is not working on your side too, but it seems like you're happy to do it anyway.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3064923]I thought that Thai Friendly was a freelancer site.[/QUOTE]No, it's officially a dating site for people who are looking for a serious relationship. Girls offering themselves (too) clearly as freelancers / escorts / prostitutes will get a warning. They will get 'moderated' in their profile name, and can be banned.
And the same applies to men who say in their profile that they are looking for sex, fun, or freelancers, or similar phrasings.

This is my theory, based on a one time two week visit. There are thousands of attractive women in Bangkok who will have sex for a reasonable rate of about $75/ hour which I think makes sense based on the local economy. However they don't like doing it. In Thai culture sex outside marriage is unacceptable. Has anyone noticed that porn sites are blocked here? (Although you can access them with a VPN.) The Sexual Revolution didn't get here. So you have to almost coerce a woman by withholding her payment until she has finished doing what you want her to do. Sorry, this is not for me. I spent two weeks in Brazil in January, paid about $100/ hour which is reasonable based on the economy there. I went to bed with 10 different women during two weeks. A great time was had by all because they were fine with sex outside marriage. They didn't feel like they were being forced to eat a live mouse or something.

Maybe some of the highest end brothels, in the $200 to $300/ hour range are better. Maybe. But that's really a ridiculous price for this poor a country.

I need Brazil. However this is only my personal opinion. Everyone has their own tastes and preferences.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3065057]This is my theory, based on a one time two week visit. There are thousands of attractive women in Bangkok who will have sex for a reasonable rate of about $75/ hour which I think makes sense based on the local economy. However they don't like doing it. In Thai culture sex outside marriage is unacceptable. Has anyone noticed that porn sites are blocked here? (Although you can access them with a VPN.) The Sexual Revolution didn't get here. So you have to almost coerce a woman by withholding her payment until she has finished doing what you want her to do. Sorry, this is not for me. I spent two weeks in Brazil in January, paid about $100/ hour which is reasonable based on the economy there. I went to bed with 10 different women during two weeks. A great time was had by all because they were fine with sex outside marriage. They didn't feel like they were being forced to eat a live mouse or something.

Maybe some of the highest end brothels, in the $200 to $300/ hour range are better. Maybe. But that's really a ridiculous price for this poor a country.

I need Brazil. However this is only my personal opinion. Everyone has their own tastes and preferences.[/QUOTE]Yeah there's nothing quite like Brazil and the willingness there.

The last time I was in Bangkok it was partying with friends and fooling around, so service wasn't high on my list. This time I've already had a bad experience at 7 heaven, went for 2 girls, it was rushed, and constantly wiping with dry tissue between swapping felt awful and they weren't taking any direction or doing anything you'the want at the same time during a double BJ.

You might just have a better time at decent massage spot with happy ending to avoid all the games / reluctance. That or high end places like you said.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3065057]This is my theory, based on a one time two week visit. There are thousands of attractive women in Bangkok who will have sex for a reasonable rate of about $75/ hour which I think makes sense based on the local economy. However they don't like doing it. In Thai culture sex outside marriage is unacceptable. Has anyone noticed that porn sites are blocked here? (Although you can access them with a VPN.) The Sexual Revolution didn't get here. So you have to almost coerce a woman by withholding her payment until she has finished doing what you want her to do. Sorry, this is not for me. I spent two weeks in Brazil in January, paid about $100/ hour which is reasonable based on the economy there. I went to bed with 10 different women during two weeks. A great time was had by all because they were fine with sex outside marriage. They didn't feel like they were being forced to eat a live mouse or something.

Maybe some of the highest end brothels, in the $200 to $300/ hour range are better. Maybe. But that's really a ridiculous price for this poor a country.

I need Brazil. However this is only my personal opinion. Everyone has their own tastes and preferences.[/QUOTE]Who cares about porn in Thailand?

Payment isn't being 'withheld'. Thailand is the last oasis in the p4 p world where the customer isn't expected to pay until they're satisfied.

Yeah, I've been to Rio but not for a long time.

Have you tired mongering in Amsterdam? I think that place will bring joy to your life. You know a lot of societies are rather culturally conservative. I remembered back in the days the overwhelmingly majority of the hookers working the streets of Thailand were from Issan and I think it hasn't changed much. When I used to live in Surin I noticed that things were very different out there from other parts of Thailand. It almost seemed like being premisculist was apart of the culture of the women out there.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;3065057]This is my theory, based on a one time two week visit. There are thousands of attractive women in Bangkok who will have sex for a reasonable rate of about $75/ hour which I think makes sense based on the local economy. However they don't like doing it. In Thai culture sex outside marriage is unacceptable. Has anyone noticed that porn sites are blocked here? (Although you can access them with a VPN.) The Sexual Revolution didn't get here. So you have to almost coerce a woman by withholding her payment until she has finished doing what you want her to do. Sorry, this is not for me. I spent two weeks in Brazil in January, paid about $100/ hour which is reasonable based on the economy there. I went to bed with 10 different women during two weeks. A great time was had by all because they were fine with sex outside marriage. They didn't feel like they were being forced to eat a live mouse or something..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RhinoTusk;3065072]
Yeah, I've been to Rio but not for a long time.[/QUOTE]I'd guess he's talking about Sao Paulo. These days I Rio isn't what it used to be and Sao Paulo is about 10 x better quality service and girls. Lots of tourist service in Rio just like Bangkok. SP is mainly repeat businessmen customers so service is better. My guess is the OP will have more luck at the higher end soapies that cater to the non-tourists. I didn't know that about no pay til you're satisfied. Does that go for nuru and massage joints? I'm typically Paying up front.

Just rolled up to Poseidon. It was either that 3 pm is a bad time to go or things have really gone downhill there. Last time I visited a long time ago there could have been 60 or more women on leveled podiums you walk around. Going in now there was 6 or 7 girls on couches only 2 good and it seemed it was "massage" service 90 m 1 shot for between 4-8 k depending on tier. It used to be soapy with multiple I'm pretty sure.