Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3067935]So you had a sh1 tty time to save $30 off a potentially bad time off TF.

OK, if any of the elite old timers here have a disagreement with the following rules of life, please let me know.

Rule 1 Thailand is chock full of places and areas where you can meet live girls who will fuck you for money. Get out there, they arent photoshopped or fake and you can pick the one you want.

Rule 2 Unless you actually live in Thailand (by that I mean someone who is there for at least 6 months a year) and know how the country works, TF, Fiw Fans and other internet resources are a waste of time. See Rule 1.

Rule 3 If you are so broke ass that you need to haggle over $30, stay home.[/QUOTE]This is spot on. All points. My advice no matter where you go is do what that country / city does well. In the case of Bangkok that's the gogos and massage places. Stick to those and you won't be sorry.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3067935]

Rule 2 Unless you actually live in Thailand (by that I mean someone who is there for at least 6 months a year) and know how the country works, TF, Fiw Fans and other internet resources are a waste of time. See Rule 1.

.[/QUOTE]Disagree with this. I lived there for a decade and now visit for holidays. TF still reigns supreme. One trip in 2024 I landed at swampy, in the car to the hotel messaged three girls I found using the recently online function, and by the time I was checked in and bag on the bed I had the call that a girl was there for me. 19 yrs old in BKK stunning and fucked her bare in the shower and then went for ah LT on the basis of that. That was the 10 pm landing flight as well. FiW Fans tend to agree a little but it is a lot of the girls from the Teen spas and they might cost more but you actually can get top tier beauties as opposed to the standard isaan mattress warriors you get in the bars.

[QUOTE=Akka76;3068133]Disagree with this. I lived there for a decade and now visit for holidays. TF still reigns supreme. One trip in 2024 I landed at swampy, in the car to the hotel messaged three girls I found using the recently online function, and by the time I was checked in and bag on the bed I had the call that a girl was there for me. 19 yrs old in BKK stunning and fucked her bare in the shower and then went for ah LT on the basis of that. That was the 10 pm landing flight as well. FiW Fans tend to agree a little but it is a lot of the girls from the Teen spas and they might cost more but you actually can get top tier beauties as opposed to the standard isaan mattress warriors you get in the bars.[/QUOTE]You lived there for a decade. You know the drill. You know what to look for. That's why I, who no longer live there, don't get mattress warriors anywhere, and if I was living in Pak Kret or Phra Padaeng or Pathum Thani or Min Buri I would sure be on the net rather than schlepping all the way downtown for a nut.

In contrast, Jahid from Mumbai on his first trip out of the country who started wacking off to those websites because he read about them here is going to be nothing but disappointed.

Fellow Mongers,

I am all booked for 10 days. I am flying Korean Air via Seoul and staying at Hotel Icon on Soi 2. Current plan is to stay in [B]Bangkok[/B], but I might add a quick trip to [B]Pattaya[/B] since it's an easy bus trip and I can do so in a day. I might even stay there overnight. Who knows. I still got 6 months to figure shit out. LOL.

Please note: I am an 45 yr old single guy of [B]Indian[/B] origin. I don't live in India. I am US based. Moved to US as a teenager with parents and a US citizen. I fully understand that at some point I will face a little bit of discrimination. I take that as par for the course. Also I will be visiting Bangkok solo. I won't be in group of 5-6 guys, which I understand is frowned upon.

Here is the research that I have done so far suggests, and then I have some follow up questions.

[B][u]Research Notes:[/u] [/B]

General Prices - (price includes bar fines, lady drinks, small tip afterwards for job well done).

GoGo Bars 5000/6000 THB.

Soapy Nuru - 3000/4000 THB.

Beer Bars Girls 2500/3000 THB.

Freelancers 1500/2500 THB.

[B]GoGo Bars -.[/B]

Nana Plaza (BillBoard, Spanky's, Butterflies).

Soi Cowboy (Cowboy2, Tillac, Baccara, DollHouse).

[B]Massage Parlor forr Soapy and Nuru.[/B]

Full Moon.

Butterfly,

Mango,

Ten,

Fin69.

Emmanuelle, Poseidon, La Belle. These are massive complexes and quite expensive.

[B]Some Follow up Questions:[/B]

Do you pay girl from GoGo bar after the deed or before you take her back to hotel? My research suggests you only pay mamasan beforehand and pay the girl afterwards.

What is the best way to scan / preview talent at GoGo bars. My plan is to go in and order drink. If I don't like the talent quickly leave so as not to take up the real estate.

Thanks again for everyone who has helped so far. Without your collective knowledge, I would have never taken the step to venture out.

Feel free to critique my research. I am always up for receiving any constructive criticism.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3068228][B]GoGo Bars -.[/B]

Soi Cowboy (Tillac).[/QUOTE]There are many bars on Soi Cowboy owned by some "Arab" (or so he is called around here). Scams such as bill padding are common there. Tilac is one of them. I would avoid it. You can search other Arab bars to beware of.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3068228]Do you pay girl from GoGo bar after the deed or before you take her back to hotel? My research suggests you only pay mamasan beforehand and pay the girl afterwards.
[/QUOTE]Yes, your research is correct. But keep in mind, many places will require Indians to pay the lady's fee before taking her out.

If you do so, you lose all leverage. I would recommend refusing and even walking away if any bar insists you pay all the money before service.

I believe EverythingThai had shared a useful tip. That is, take out the cash and show it to the bar staff to clarify that you have the money to pay later.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3068228]What is the best way to scan / preview talent at GoGo bars. My plan is to go in and order drink. If I don't like the talent quickly leave so as not to take up the real estate.[/QUOTE]Do not feel compelled to sit down if you do not like what you see when you walk in. There are many other places.

Drinks-only ladies are a big problem at many gogo bars. Also, some ladies might not prefer to go with you. This has happened with me many times.

Here is what I typically do at a gogo bar. I order my drink and look around to make a mental list of all the ones I like and their tag number. Then I would buy the waitress a lady drink and request her to tell me if any of the ladies I liked is interested in going ST or LT with me.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;3068323]There are many bars on Soi Cowboy owned by some "Arab" (or so he is called around here). Scams such as bill padding are common there. Tilac is one of them. I would avoid it. You can search other Arab bars to beware of.
.[/QUOTE]Tilac is not a bar run by "The Arab" . His bars include Midnight, Deja Vu, Spice Girls, Sahara, and Rio.

[QUOTE=Shikhar10;3068323]There are many bars on Soi Cowboy owned by some "Arab" (or so he is called around here). Scams such as bill padding are common there. Tilac is one of them. I would avoid it. You can search other Arab bars to beware of.

Yes, your research is correct. But keep in mind, many places will require Indians to pay the lady's fee before taking her out.

If you do so, you lose all leverage. I would recommend refusing and even walking away if any bar insists you pay all the money before service.

I believe EverythingThai had shared a useful tip. That is, take out the cash and show it to the bar staff to clarify that you have the money to pay later.

Do not feel compelled to sit down if you do not like what you see when you walk in. There are many other places.

Drinks-only ladies are a big problem at many gogo bars. Also, some ladies might not prefer to go with you. This has happened with me many times..[/QUOTE]Those are some excellent tips [B] Shikhar [/B] I will definitely put them to use. I like the one where you especially buy the waitress a drink to get you to work on your behalf. That's a boss move!! I also like the one to take out the cash and flash it to let them know that you got the means and you are not a broke person. Trying to nickel and dime them. More than happy to walk away if asked to pay everything upfront. It's Bangkok baby. Ain't going to be hurting for pussy.

[QUOTE=PgReal;3067920]I know it's clich, but you know what they say ' you get what you pay for' or ' if it looks to good to be true then it usually is. '

I don't know but I mean 3 k isn't a lot of money to pay for what you get and what you are asking another human being to do for you, in this day and age. Really seriously.[/QUOTE]Nah. 3 k is not a lot [B]to you[/B] for that. I just posted about being in a spot in Colombia where you could fuck every chick in the place for 20 minutes each for the $12 entry fee. I think there were 7 chicks and I fucked 5, so that was $2.40/ chick. Then I remember Calle 18 in Guayaquil where chicks were $6. When I first started going to Rio the downtown places were 1 real per minute and the USD was 1 to 4, so 25 cents per minute. 1 hour $15. (Currently 1 to 5, so I got a few last month in Rio for $20 - only a $5 increase from 25 years ago.) So the shit is relative. Maybe $90 is not a lot of money to pay in New York or London for that, but in many other places it definitely is.

I can count on 1 hand the number of freelance chicks who have even dared ask that much in Pattaya over the last 19 years. The one in my bed now has been here since 10 pm and it is now past noon. I am giving her 1500 baht. And I just started giving chicks 1500 LT last week. Before that it was 1200 and before that 1000. In Bangkok in January the first chick I even asked agreed to 2000 LT. The night before that some chick was begging me to take her for 1500 LT. Another guy staying at the same hotel (Aira) came and scooped her up on his way inside for the night.

I remember being in Amsterdam and asking a chick in one of those boxes how much to fuck and she told me 140 euro. I asked her why so much. She said that she had to pay 80 euro / day for the box. So in that case it would have been 2200 baht the chick in Amsterdam actually got, quite less than the 3000 baht you are saying is not a lot to pay [B]in a 3rd world country where the minimum wage is 400 baht/day.[/B] If you were the average Thai dude, you would not even have 3000 baht to spend that way, so bringing your foreign currency earnings into the situation instead of the local economy, seems to be your basis for the statement.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3068228]
[B]GoGo Bars -.[/B]
Nana Plaza (BillBoard, Spanky's, Butterflies).
Soi Cowboy (Cowboy2, Tillac, Baccara, DollHouse).
[/QUOTE]Don't forget Crazy House, just around the corner of Soi Cowboy, in Soi 23.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3068228]
[B]Some Follow up Questions:[/B]

Do you pay girl from GoGo bar after the deed or before you take her back to hotel? My research suggests you only pay mamasan beforehand and pay the girl afterwards.

What is the best way to scan / preview talent at GoGo bars. My plan is to go in and order drink. If I don't like the talent quickly leave so as not to take up the real estate.

[/QUOTE]You did a good job of researching prices. Concerning the venues you listed, that's a matter of personal taste. I've had great times at the first 3 massage shops that you've listed, but I don't personally know the others. Since COVID, Nana Plaza has been better for me than Cowboy, but it's still a crap shoot.

Paying for Nana Plaza go-go girls has historically involved paying the bar fine while still in the bar (typically about 1000 baht) and then paying the girl after services (about 3000 baht). About 1 or 2 years ago I started to get pressure to pay for the whole thing in advance (all 4000 up front), even from mamasan who I've used many times in the past (and tipped quite nicely). I've always refuse full pre-payment and mamasan has always caved in. Since you appear to be Indian, that might not work for you. Others have suggested you show the money to mamasan. Another thought is to show her your USA passport (or a copy on your phone).

I preview the Nana Plaza bar talent by walking in, looking around and often walking out. I only sit down and buy a drink if I see something that appeals to me and she returns my smiles. For a big bar (like Geisha), I might look around for about 2 minutes. For a small bar (like Spanky's), I might be in the bar only 20 seconds before I turn around and leave.

By tipping over the years I've developed relationships with 2 mamasans, though one has disappeared. The remaining mamasan is my most valuable asset in Bangkok. Every time I see her I give her a tip. Every time I bar fine one of her girls, I give her a big tip. In return, she seems to give girls instructions to treat me well because her girls have been very good to me (it's not a crap shoot with these girls).

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3068228]Fellow Mongers,
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Nana Plaza (BillBoard, Spanky's, Butterflies).
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Emmanuelle, Poseidon, La Belle. These are massive complexes and quite expensive.
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[/QUOTE]I would add Red Dragon and Geisha to your Nana Plaza list, and possibly Rainbow 5 and On Top. For your soapies list, I'd perhaps skip Emmanuelle and Poseidon, and focus on La Belle, which is actually not expensive. There's a broad range of prices (ranging from THB 2700 - 8500), but some of the girls in the lower price ranges are very good. For a more expensive soapy place, Maria can be good, though much more expensive.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3068403]By tipping over the years I've developed relationships with 2 mamasans, though one has disappeared. The remaining mamasan is my most valuable asset in Bangkok. Every time I see her I give her a tip. Every time I bar fine one of her girls, I give her a big tip. In return, she seems to give girls instructions to treat me well because her girls have been very good to me (it's not a crap shoot with these girls).[/QUOTE]How much do you consider a good tip for the mamasan?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3068395]
I remember being in Amsterdam and asking a chick in one of those boxes how much to fuck and she told me 140 euro. I asked her why so much. She said that she had to pay 80 euro / day for the box. So in that case it would have been 2200 baht the chick in Amsterdam actually got, quite less than the 3000 baht you are saying is not a lot to pay in a 3rd world country where the minimum wage is 400 baht/day. [/QUOTE]This chick in Amsterdam was most likely paying 80 euro / shift for the box. They either work in the day shift, from around 9 AM to 6 PM, or in the evening shift, from around 6 PM to 2 AM (or whatever the closing time is these days).
And if she looks good, she will of course have more than one customer per shift. So she actually makes more money than in your calculation.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3068399]Don't forget Crazy House, just around the corner of Soi Cowboy, in Soi 23.[/QUOTE]Yeah. The staff is very pushy for lady drinks but the ladies are fully naked and on average, better looking as per my taste than most other gogo bars.

If you look Indian, the security guard will probably ask for an "entry fee". It was 500 baht a few years ago.

[QUOTE=SinCitySinner1;3068228][B]Massage Parlor forr Soapy and Nuru.[/B]

Full Moon.

Butterfly,

Mango,

Ten,

Fin69[/QUOTE]I would also recommend Kokoro Massage and Ariel Massage. Yaya at Kokoro and Hikaru at Aries are pretty good.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3068403]You did a good job of researching prices. Concerning the venues you listed, that's a matter of personal taste. I've had great times at the first 3 massage shops that you've listed, but I don't personally know the others. Since COVID, Nana Plaza has been better for me than Cowboy, but it's still a crap shoot.

Paying for Nana Plaza go-go girls has historically involved paying the bar fine while still in the bar (typically about 1000 baht) and then paying the girl after services (about 3000 baht). About 1 or 2 years ago I started to get pressure to pay for the whole thing in advance (all 4000 up front), even from mamasan who I've used many times in the past (and tipped quite nicely). I've always refuse full pre-payment and mamasan has always caved in. Since you appear to be Indian, that might not work for you. Others have suggested you show the money to mamasan. Another thought is to show her your USA passport (or a copy on your phone).

I preview the Nana Plaza bar talent by walking in, looking around and often walking out. I only sit down and buy a drink if I see something that appeals to me and she returns my smiles. For a big bar (like Geisha), I might look around for about 2 minutes. For a small bar (like Spanky's), I might be in the bar only 20 seconds before I turn around and leave..[/QUOTE]Couldn't have said it better myself.