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[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3073116]I hate when the try to make you pay in advance.[/QUOTE]One way of avoiding that inconvenience is to negotiate a different price with the girl.

In most of the big bars, the ST or LT rate is set in advance by the girls and the mamas, and the girls are not "allowed" to be barfined for lower rates. So if you can manage to negotiate her rate down in private, she will most likely accept to be paid directly in the room instead of paying the whole fee in the bar, because she wouldn't want other people to see what she agreed to.

That's going to happen only if the girl trust the customer anyway, because these practice of asking the whole payment upfront are a way for them to be sure that the girl will be paid for her service. Too many cheapskates trying to pull a fast one on the girls have made them much more cautious these days.

I would like to hear from people who have actually been to [U]Nana Plaza[/U] and bar fined a girl. What did you actually pay? 1. Bar Fine; 2. Girl Fee; 3. Room (if rented separately).

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3073346]One way of avoiding that inconvenience is to negotiate a different price with the girl.

In most of the big bars, the ST or LT rate is set in advance by the girls and the mamas, and the girls are not "allowed" to be barfined for lower rates. So if you can manage to negotiate her rate down in private, she will most likely accept to be paid directly in the room instead of paying the whole fee in the bar, because she wouldn't want other people to see what she agreed to.

That's going to happen only if the girl trust the customer anyway, because these practice of asking the whole payment upfront are a way for them to be sure that the girl will be paid for her service. Too many cheapskates trying to pull a fast one on the girls have made them much more cautious these days.[/QUOTE]They tried that in billboard on me once. The girl put them straight. Never had it in other places.

I don't do it, except the bar fine. In nearly all cases the girl decides to come with me anyway because it's too much to pass up, but I'm not a tourist and the bars know me.

I have spent the past 2 nights at Nana. Barfines quoted in most places was *B1000 and the girls seemed to want *B4000 or *B5000 for short time. On two separate occasions the girl cut her price to *B3000 without me negotiating. This occurred midweek when the bars were slow. One of the girls was a Twisters beauty and I accepted her offer. Even though I got the discount her service at my hotel was first rate. This proves to me once again that paying more doesn't guarantee better service. I got my money's worth and then some. But then again, I am a handsome man. That's what she told me.

I thought Twisters, Billboard, Butterflies, Red Dragon had the best lineup (in no particular order) midweek this visit.

All prices quoted in Thai baht.

[QUOTE=RhinoTusk;3073468]I don't do it, except the bar fine. In nearly all cases the girl decides to come with me anyway because it's too much to pass up, but I'm not a tourist and the bars know me.[/QUOTE]I've been gone for 6 months this time, but usually the waitresses in billboard, etc remember me when I come back.

Expensive doesn't always mean better.

[QUOTE=Allover;3073481]I have spent the past 2 nights at Nana. Barfines quoted in most places was *B1000 and the girls seemed to want *B4000 or *B5000 for short time. On two separate occasions the girl cut her price to *B3000 without me negotiating. This occurred midweek when the bars were slow. One of the girls was a Twisters beauty and I accepted her offer. Even though I got the discount her service at my hotel was first rate. This proves to me once again that paying more doesn't guarantee better service. I got my money's worth and then some. But then again, I am a handsome man. That's what she told me.

I thought Twisters, Billboard, Butterflies, Red Dragon had the best lineup (in no particular order) midweek this visit.

All prices quoted in Thai baht.[/QUOTE]

Just a FYI for anyone wanting apcalis in Bangkok (I've read people have had issues with some pharmacies). Just got some at LB Pharmacy on Sukhumvit road, between Soi 7 and Soi 7/1. It's next door to a 7/11.

300 for pack of 4.

[QUOTE=Allover;3073481]I have spent the past 2 nights at Nana. Barfines quoted in most places was *B1000 and the girls seemed to want *B4000 or *B5000 for short time. On two separate occasions the girl cut her price to *B3000 without me negotiating. This occurred midweek when the bars were slow. One of the girls was a Twisters beauty and I accepted her offer. Even though I got the discount her service at my hotel was first rate. This proves to me once again that paying more doesn't guarantee better service. I got my money's worth and then some. But then again, I am a handsome man. That's what she told me.

I thought Twisters, Billboard, Butterflies, Red Dragon had the best lineup (in no particular order) midweek this visit.

All prices quoted in Thai baht.[/QUOTE]For me, "first rate service" would be that the girl and I engage in lots of DFK, she would give me a very wet BBBJ including plenty of ball licking and kissing, moving on to mild DATY to get her natural lubrication flowing and then BBFSCIP, all without hesitation or discussion, perhaps after the BBFSCIP part was settled in the bar and with no rushing or clock watching in the room.

So in the case of your Twisters beauty should I also expect to get my version of first rate service for the same 3000 baht reduction from 5000 baht without me negotiating? Or might I have to pay more to get better service and my money's worth by my reasoning?

Mind you, all the ladies tell me I'm a handsome man, too.

Hello All. I am travelling to Bangkok in September and planning to stay near nana plaza. I am looking for some hot spots where I can find Japanese and Korean providers. Please provide me any info. Thanks again!

Man, I'm researching to visit Thailand in August but paying the equivalent of around 150 for girls seems crazy to me.

That's more than Medellin where you're paying the equivalent of 30-50 usd for the most beautiful women you'd ever seen. And 100-150 for women who would be in music videos. All from women who treat sex like an Olympic sport.

I might stick mostly to BJ bars.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3073350]I would like to hear from people who have actually been to [U]Nana Plaza[/U] and bar fined a girl. What did you actually pay? 1. Bar Fine; 2. Girl Fee; 3. Room (if rented separately).[/QUOTE]I've posted this information before, but it now seems to be a popular question. My response below is from memory and may be slightly different from what I've posted in the past. I've done many bar fines from the Nana Plaza go-go bars and I'm a well known face in one bar where I get favored treatment from mamasan. I've probably done 20-25 Nana Plaza go-go bar fines in the last 12 months, but most recent was in March.

At the bar where mamasan favors me, this is how I work. I'll buy myself a drink, normally water or Coke. Mamasan often buys it for me. Mamasan sits with me and discusses girls available. She knows that I only want under about 26, slender, and CIP. I seldom buy mamasan a drink. Mamasan will introduce me to her CIP girls and I'll buy a drink for my favorite one (or maybe not). If I'm happy, I'll confirm CIP with the girl and arrange a bar fine.

- 700-1000 for drink for me, my girl, tip for waitress. If I don't go with the first girl, this 700 baht goes up to about 1000. I never get a second drink for myself. Rarely do I buy a second lady drink or one for her friends. I'm not there to get drunk and I don't want to bar fine a drunk lady. The music is too loud, the lady is not great at conversation, and I like to get in and out of the place. Same as a hardware store for girls, I find what I want, get it, and leave.

- 1000 baht bar fine.

- 500-1000 baht tip for mamasan. She is my source for CIP approved girls and I want her happiest of all. I'm sure she tells her girls that I am a favored customer because I consistently get the treatment that Eih Tooms described below, but I seldom ask about the secondary services (DFK, BBBJ, etc). In other venues, I ask about those secondary services.

- 150-200 baht for tuk tuk or taxi to my hotel.

- 100-200 baht for reception at my hotel. This is the person who knows to warn me if I have a ladyboy or underage girl (hasn't happened yet). They also call my room before returning the girl's ID. For my own safety, I want reception to be happy.

- 3000-4000 for girl in room. Generally, negotiate 3000 in the bar, but sometimes she wants 4000 for the CIP (girls who refuse CIP don't get this far with me). If performance in room is outstanding, I give 4000 because I want her again. Starting about the 3rd bar fine with the same girl, she has proven herself and she will likely get 4000 from me.

- 100 baht for the girl's motorcycle taxi back to the bar.

So, total expense ranges from about 6,000 to 7,500. I never buy a lot of drinks for myself or the girls. In-bar tips are limited to mamasan and my waitress. On nights that I don't bar fine anyone, I always give my mamasan 100 to 200 baht tip. Occasionally I see girls that I want to bar fine in the future, I'll give them tips ranging from 40 to 100 baht. In other go go bars I do things a bit differently, but I always tip mamasan because I want to build her "friendship". Mamasan is the true valued resource, she will be around in the future; the bar girls change about as often as I change my socks. It takes a long time to build relationship with mamasan.

I like to be in and out of the go go bar in 60-90 minutes. I like the girl in and out of my room in about 90 minutes. I'm too old for multiple pops per day, I'll get a different girl in 21 hours.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3073547]For me, "first rate service" would be that the girl and I engage in lots of DFK, she would give me a very wet BBBJ including plenty of ball licking and kissing, moving on to mild DATY to get her natural lubrication flowing and then BBFSCIP, all without hesitation or discussion, perhaps after the BBFSCIP part was settled in the bar and with no rushing or clock watching in the room.

So in the case of your Twisters beauty should I also expect to get my version of first rate service for the same 3000 baht reduction from 5000 baht without me negotiating? Or might I have to pay more to get better service and my money's worth by my reasoning?

Mind you, all the ladies tell me I'm a handsome man, too.[/QUOTE]You correctly point out that First Rate service varies with each of us. My girl would not have met your standards. And the girls tell all of us that we are handsome.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3073626]I've posted this information before, but it now seems to be a popular question. My response below is from memory and may be slightly different from what I've posted in the past. I've done many bar fines from the Nana Plaza go-go bars and I'm a well known face in one bar where I get favored treatment from mamasan. I've probably done 20-25 Nana Plaza go-go bar fines in the last 12 months, but most recent was in March.

At the bar where mamasan favors me, this is how I work. I'll buy myself a drink, normally water or Coke. Mamasan often buys it for me. Mamasan sits with me and discusses girls available. She knows that I only want under about 26, slender, and CIP. I seldom buy mamasan a drink. Mamasan will introduce me to her CIP girls and I'll buy a drink for my favorite one (or maybe not). If I'm happy, I'll confirm CIP with the girl and arrange a bar fine.

- 700-1000 for drink for me, my girl, tip for waitress. If I don't go with the first girl, this 700 baht goes up to about 1000. I never get a second drink for myself. Rarely do I buy a second lady drink or one for her friends. I'm not there to get drunk and I don't want to bar fine a drunk lady. The music is too loud, the lady is not great at conversation, and I like to get in and out of the place. Same as a hardware store for girls, I find what I want, get it, and leave.

- 1000 baht bar fine.

- 500-1000 baht tip for mamasan. She is my source for CIP approved girls and I want her happiest of all. I'm sure she tells her girls that I am a favored customer because I consistently get the treatment that Eih Tooms described below, but I seldom ask about the secondary services (DFK, BBBJ, etc). In other venues, I ask about those secondary services.

- 150-200 baht for tuk tuk or taxi to my hotel.

- 100-200 baht for reception at my hotel. This is the person who knows to warn me if I have a ladyboy or underage girl (hasn't happened yet). They also call my room before returning the girl's ID. For my own safety, I want reception to be happy.

- 3000-4000 for girl in room. Generally, negotiate 3000 in the bar, but sometimes she wants 4000 for the CIP (girls who refuse CIP don't get this far with me). If performance in room is outstanding, I give 4000 because I want her again. Starting about the 3rd bar fine with the same girl, she has proven herself and she will likely get 4000 from me.

- 100 baht for the girl's motorcycle taxi back to the bar.

So, total expense ranges from about 6,000 to 7,500. I never buy a lot of drinks for myself or the girls. In-bar tips are limited to mamasan and my waitress. On nights that I don't bar fine anyone, I always give my mamasan 100 to 200 baht tip. Occasionally I see girls that I want to bar fine in the future, I'll give them tips ranging from 40 to 100 baht. In other go go bars I do things a bit differently, but I always tip mamasan because I want to build her "friendship". Mamasan is the true valued resource, she will be around in the future; the bar girls change about as often as I change my socks. It takes a long time to build relationship with mamasan.

I like to be in and out of the go go bar in 60-90 minutes. I like the girl in and out of my room in about 90 minutes. I'm too old for multiple pops per day, I'll get a different girl in 21 hours.[/QUOTE]I like you would want to get a girl and leave ASAP since at 71 I'm not big on partying with loud music. But unlike you I like to do 2-3 pops but only if the girl turns out to ring all my bells. So for the extra pops should I just offering her more BHT in the room after round one? I'm trying to tie this question into the bar fine. Is the BF I paid good to have the girl just for 90 minutes or a few hours or can she stay longer if she is good with the extra BHT I offer?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3073626]I've posted this information before, but it now seems to be a popular question. My response below is from memory and may be slightly different from what I've posted in the past. I've done many bar fines from the Nana Plaza go-go bars and I'm a well known face in one bar where I get favored treatment from mamasan. I've probably done 20-25 Nana Plaza go-go bar fines in the last 12 months, but most recent was in March.

At the bar where mamasan favors me, this is how I work. I'll buy myself a drink, normally water or Coke. Mamasan often buys it for me. Mamasan sits with me and discusses girls available. She knows that I only want under about 26, slender, and CIP. I seldom buy mamasan a drink. Mamasan will introduce me to her CIP girls and I'll buy a drink for my favorite one (or maybe not). If I'm happy, I'll confirm CIP with the girl and arrange a bar fine.

- 700-1000 for drink for me, my girl, tip for waitress. If I don't go with the first girl, this 700 baht goes up to about 1000. I never get a second drink for myself. Rarely do I buy a second lady drink or one for her friends. I'm not there to get drunk and I don't want to bar fine a drunk lady. The music is too loud, the lady is not great at conversation, and I like to get in and out of the place. Same as a hardware store for girls, I find what I want, get it, and leave.

- 1000 baht bar fine.

- 500-1000 baht tip for mamasan. She is my source for CIP approved girls and I want her happiest of all. I'm sure she tells her girls that I am a favored customer because I consistently get the treatment that Eih Tooms described below, but I seldom ask about the secondary services (DFK, BBBJ, etc). In other venues, I ask about those secondary services..[/QUOTE]Much has been written on these forums about ignoring mamasans, that we should get them out of the deal, that they only interfere and so on. And I am sure the stories I read and hear about some of us handsome men getting Real Sex / BBFSCIP with the hottest lookers in the gogo bars without discussion or extra money in the room are all true.

I would also agree with many here who wave off mamasans as unnecessary and useless interlopers who add little or nothing of value to the gogo bar P4P transaction if all the customer wants is basic Thai P4 P fare of Covered FS. And especially if he isn't all that particular about which lady in the bar he gets fully Covered FS with as long as she has a fun personality and agrees to an amount of baht the customer deems fair. Basic Thai P4 P fare of Covered FS with average or below average lookers has to be the easiest accomplishment for virtually any punter on the planet even if they just arrived in the country that afternoon. And its only marginally less easy if the lady is an above average looker. There is absolutely no need for a mamasan to get involved with such a transaction and her presence is only an annoying distraction.

However, for those of us who prefer a Thai mongering experience of a more reliable routine of getting a True GFE, what I call Real Sex or actual BBFSCIP, with above average looking Thai girls, in my humble opinion the only real regular challenge in the entire Thai P4P scene, one would do well to follow Horse Trader's description for how and why to get a mamasan in a gogo bar on your side in the effort.

I have had "friendly relationships" with a couple of gogo bar mamasans in that way over the years as well. And I can attest from my personal experience that a word of assurance to the girls from the mamasan that this particular handsome man is a good customer and that they ought to treat him well miraculously melts away any confusion in the minds of the above average to downright hottest girls in the bar what the difference is between Real Sex and the least they can get away with in the room and still get the money, suddenly understanding the value of sweet DFK and even sweeter BBBJ vs the head turn and staring at a dick like they have no idea what to do to wake it up, etc that beats the hell out of cruising from bar to bar buying drinks willy nilly and hoping to strike gold some lucky night with only my money, my handsome looks and my winning charm to make it happen.

Dare I say in order to actually get more and better service in that regard by spending a bit more and on the right people along the way.

That's not to say you walk into any gogo bar and start throwing money at the mamasan. Then again, I can't say from experience that wouldn't work out well for my purposes too. LOL. I've never done it that way. I do at least vet the mamasan first by having her sit with me, perhaps buy her a drink, introduce myself and tell her what I want with some among her girls who are up for it with me, specifically the BBFSCIP part. If she recoils in horror at the very idea of such a thing and there will be some who do, I thank her for her time and move on. That mamasan is less than useless for my purposes. But every now and then a mamasan will take the assignment seriously and will hook you up royally with the 3-4 girls in bar she knows can and will make a special customer happy in that way. Those are the mamasans who earn their money and the girls who get my business, often repeat repeat and repeat business.

As always, YMMV.