For some things, probably
[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3075163]In negotiations, whoever makes the first offer loses.[/QUOTE]To add a possible exception to that rule on the premise that P4 P situations are not set in stone that way:
The OP was asking about negotiations on ThaiFriendly and such. I can't speak to that very much because I haven't used an online hook up site like ThaiFriendly in years. But I can identify one major hurdle with any negotiations on sites like that; you don't really know and won't know who you have been negotiating with until the hotel door swings open. Even with what you might think is an extensive video chat first, her age, height, true weight and overall impression to you and anyone else trying to hook up with her is still largely unknown until you meet her in the flesh.
However, with face-to-face negotiations in bars, clubs or on the street and without an experienced and tip-worthy mamasan doing her job to vet her girls for things like BBFSCIP with me, I have Google Translate countered above average looking girls' "first offer" of, say, 3,000 for Short Time with something like, " I would give you 3,500 if we kiss on the lips with our tongues touching, you give me a blowjob with no condom for a while and then we boom boom / fuck without a condom until I finish inside your vagina. ".
Now, if she agrees to that scenario for 3,500 or counters with 4,000 and I agree to that amount, which one of us has won and which one of us has lost?
Of course, I know the real stud punters here will insist they could have gotten all of those conditions met with that above average looking gogo bargirl instantly with a counter offer of 1,500 baht, not a word of discussion about those conditions in the bar or in the room, she would have also stayed Long Time from 10 pm and had to kick her out at 12 Noon the next day after she cooked him a big American breakfast and washed and ironed his overflowing basket of laundry.
But in my experience the chances of that above average looking gogo bargirl agreeing to those conditions in my room, without which I will have wasted my time, any barfine money I will have paid and her "first offer" amount of baht I should also honor or even 500 - 1000 baht less if that is what it was negotiated down to, without launching into that early negotiation is maybe 1 in 50. In a good month. With about an 85% chance of her saying No in the room for those things for any amount of money, no negotiation possible.
So I countered her "first offer" with an even better offer moneywise. She wins that one big. But only if I agreed to pay the barfine and take her. And I will only agree to pay the barfine and take her if she agrees to my conditions. Whereupon I win that one big. Is it a win win? IMO, yes.
If the negotiation flops and it's No all around from her, the most likely result, I have just saved myself a barfine, the girl's fee and a waste of time buzzkill.
Mind you, I'm talking about an objectively above average looking Thai P4 P girl and not, forgive me, a below average looking hardcase who can't afford to say No to almost anything with almost anyone for almost any amount of baht. And I am combining that with BBFSCIP. As I have opined previously, that combination is practically the only real challenge in the Thai P4 P universe. Ok, maybe getting a BBBJCIM+Swallow from an above average looking P4 P girl is a challenge too.
And I mean aside from more exotic stuff like Anal, BB Anal, True Threesomes, whatever, with above average looking P4 P girls.
I don't believe there is any research necessary for gents who are happy with Covered FS in Thailand other than finding out what the general current going rates are for Short Time and Long Time in bars, in clubs, on the street, on ThaFriendly, etc. I envy you for that. If a lady strikes your fancy and the baht number you two agree on is close to the going rate regardless who made the "first offer", stop shopping and say Ok let's go. But that is a very different game, playing field and set of rules than getting an upfront agreement for BBFSCIP with an above average looking Thai P4P girl, especially for an amount of baht anywhere close to the going rate for Covered FS with most other girls.
As always, YMMV.
I am going to challenge this
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3075184]To add a possible exception to that rule on the premise that P4 P situations are not set in stone that way:
The OP was asking about negotiations on ThaiFriendly and such. I can't speak to that very much because I haven't used an online hook up site like ThaiFriendly in years. But I can identify one major hurdle with any negotiations on sites like that; you don't really know and won't know who you have been negotiating with until the hotel door swings open. Even with what you might think is an extensive video chat first, her age, height, true weight and overall impression to you and anyone else trying to hook up with her is still largely unknown until you meet her in the flesh.
However, with face-to-face negotiations in bars, clubs or on the street and without an experienced and tip-worthy mamasan doing her job to vet her girls for things like BBFSCIP with me, I have Google Translate countered above average looking girls' "first offer" of, say, 3,000 for Short Time with something like, " I would give you 3,500 if we kiss on the lips with our tongues touching, you give me a blowjob with no condom for a while and then we boom boom / fuck without a condom until I finish inside your vagina. ".
Now, if she agrees to that scenario for 3,500 or counters with 4,000 and I agree to that amount, which one of us has won and which one of us has lost?
Of course, I know the real stud punters here will insist they could have gotten all of those conditions met with that above average looking gogo bargirl instantly with a counter offer of 1,500 baht, not a word of discussion about those conditions in the bar or in the room, she would have also stayed Long Time from 10 pm and had to kick her out at 12 Noon the next day after she cooked him a big American breakfast and washed and ironed his overflowing basket of laundry.
But in my experience the chances of that above average looking gogo bargirl agreeing to those conditions in my room, without which I will have wasted my time, any barfine money I will have paid and her "first offer" amount of baht I should also honor or even 500 - 1000 baht less if that is what it was negotiated down to, without launching into that early negotiation is maybe 1 in 50. In a good month. With about an 85% chance of her saying No in the room for those things for any amount of money, no negotiation possible.
So I countered her "first offer" with an even better offer moneywise. She wins that one big. But only if I agreed to pay the barfine and take her. And I will only agree to pay the barfine and take her if she agrees to my conditions. Whereupon I win that one big. Is it a win win? IMO, yes.
If the negotiation flops and it's No all around from her, the most likely result, I have just saved myself a barfine, the girl's fee and a waste of time buzzkill.
Mind you, I'm talking about an objectively above average looking Thai P4 P girl and not, forgive me, a below average looking hardcase who can't afford to say No to almost anything with almost anyone for almost any amount of baht. And I am combining that with BBFSCIP. As I have opined previously, that combination is practically the only real challenge in the Thai P4 P universe. Ok, maybe getting a BBBJCIM+Swallow from an above average looking P4 P girl is a challenge too.
And I mean aside from more exotic stuff like Anal, BB Anal, True Threesomes, whatever, with above average looking P4 P girls.
I don't believe there is any research necessary for gents who are happy with Covered FS in Thailand other than finding out what the general current going rates are for Short Time and Long Time in bars, in clubs, on the street, on ThaFriendly, etc. I envy you for that. If a lady strikes your fancy and the baht number you two agree on is close to the going rate regardless who made the "first offer", stop shopping and say Ok let's go. But that is a very different game, playing field and set of rules than getting an upfront agreement for BBFSCIP with an above average looking Thai P4P girl, especially for an amount of baht anywhere close to the going rate for Covered FS with most other girls.
As always, YMMV.[/QUOTE]I think your premise rests on a couple of assumptions that may not actually be true.
First, you repeatedly describe BBFSCIP with an above-average P4 P girl as "the only real challenge" in Thailand. But a challenge for whom? That's not a universal challenge. It may simply reflect your own approach, personality, negotiation style, or the particular girls you're selecting. Another guy could approach the same women differently and get different results.
Second, your examples always seem to jump between two extremes: either an objectively above-average girl who supposedly won't agree for almost any amount, or a below-average girl who "can't afford to say no. " Isn't there a huge middle ground between those two? Most women don't neatly fit either category.
Finally, I don't really agree that guys who are only looking for covered FS don't need to do much research. Research depends on what you're trying to accomplish. Some guys care about reliability, looks, attitude, kissing, GFE, language ability, location, avoiding bait-and-switches, avoiding scammers, or simply finding women they're attracted to. Those are all perfectly valid reasons to research, even if they have no interest in negotiating for BBFSCIP. And yes, they can even want to research negotiation tactics to ensure a fair deal is had.
Please don't encourage him
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First, you repeatedly describe BBFSCIP with an above-average P4 P girl as "the only real challenge" in Thailand. [/QUOTE]As he has already done hundreds of times. Really annoying.
