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[QUOTE=SamSanuk;3075702]"There's no fool like an old fool" and "A fool and his money will soon be parted". Is this Snake and his wonderful family?[/QUOTE]Who is this mother fuck to be talking about someone?
File a trip report about having sex with girl in Thailand you racist old, fat and ugly farang!
[B]How you like me now?[/B]
[QUOTE=Mogwai;3075415]ElMexicant has not been active since April 2025, so you probably won't get an answer.
[/QUOTE]Missed, but not forgotten. One of the funniest posters here, and some trusted members here confirmed he was real.
[QUOTE=Pokler;3075733]And now we a coming to Thailand. On no will you be priced out of the Thailand pussy market like you were in DR?[/QUOTE]A few individuals paying more than the market rate, won't matter. But it's a different story when thousands of men start doing this, like the Koreans and Japanese for example. They have ruined a big part of the scene in Pattaya and Bangkok. And also Angeles in the Philippines.
It starts with a few individuals, but they will tell their friends what a great time they had for 'only' half the money that they are used to. Then the word spreads and it ends with thousands.
[QUOTE=Pokler;3075733]And now we a coming to Thailand. On no will you be priced out of the Thailand pussy market like you were in DR?[/QUOTE]Exactly! Finance bros have priced us out of the pussy market in DR, San Jose, Cartagena, and Medellin. All we are asking is that you do not bring your 'pussy at any price' attitude to Thailand. We do not want to pay New York pussy market prices in Thailand! Also, start paying Big Apple prices to Thai hoes and soon they will develop Big Apple attitudes. NYC women have the nastiest attitudes on the planet because simps blow money on them.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;3075767] But it's a different story when thousands of men start doing this, like the Koreans and Japanese for example. They have ruined a big part of the scene in Pattaya and Bangkok. And also Angeles in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]It a market place. If you cannot run with the big dogs then stay on the porch.
[QUOTE=Allover;2953794]When Japanese and Korean guys are present, the rest of us have problems competing with them too.[/QUOTE]Build your flow and stack it. Then you can compete.
[QUOTE]First I'm gon stack my flow, then I gon stack some more. Close shop and I do my count. Hide the rest of my yams at my Auntie's house - [b]Young Jeezy[/b] [/QUOTE]
I have seen variations of this admonition regarding prostitution in Thailand showing up here lately:
[QUOTE]20 is the minimum legal age in the pay-for-play industry.[/QUOTE]And thought I would address the need for further clarification. Perhaps.
If we're talking about a prositution "industry" or commercial venue where sex is exchanged for money as a matter of "business", that is illegal in Thailand for anyone of any age. Such a venue or commercial enterprise can get busted for violating Thai law and the proprietors are likely to pay a hefty fine and do time in prison or jail. Entertainment or healthy massage venues that happen to employ men or women to sit with you and keep you company while you drink or give you a rejuvenating massage had better not be caught providing pay-for-sexual play activities as a matter of ordinary "business" activity.
However, what is agreed to do by consenting adults in their employ essentially on their own time and at their own discretion in addition to the stated purpose of the venue or shop is a different matter.
And it is the case that outside of the Thai Penal Code those entertainment venues have agreed to only hire 20 year olds and above. Mostly.
However, I have yet to see or be shown by anyone here or elsewhere that the Thai Penal Code or a Royal Edict states that the act of prostitution, paying for or being paid for sex with money or anything else of value, is illegal in Thailand for consenting adults over the age of 18, the legal age of consent for virtually everything related to sexuality in Thailand and for which there is no stated penalty for anyone engaging in anything of a sexual nature, provided it is done by adults and with their consent.
In fact, the concept of being a prostitute as a personal matter rather than in a "commercial industry" is so established and accepted in Thai law there are provisions to ensure only he or she providing the sex be making money on the deal, unless another person making money on deal or being supported by the exchange is someone who can't take care of themselves and for whom the prostitute has assumed financial responsibility, such as a child or an elderly parent.
[B]THAI PENAL CODE[/B]
[URL]https://www.thailandlawonline.com/table-of-contents/criminal-law-translation-thailand-penal-code[/URL]
[QUOTE][b]TITLE IX Offences Relating to Sexuality[/b]
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Section 286 Any person, being over sixteen years of age, subsists on the earning of a prostitute, even it is some part of her incomes, shall be punished with imprisonment of seven to twenty years and fined of fourteen thousand to forty thousand Baht, or imprisonment for life.
Any person has no other apparent or sufficient means of subsistence, and:
Is found residing or habitually associating with one or more prostitutes;
Takes board and lodging, or receives money or any other benefit arranged for by a prostitute; or
Take part in order to help any prostitute in her quarrel with her customer,
The provisions of this Section shall not be applied to any person who receives maintenance from a prostitute who is bound to give maintenance according to law or morality.[/QUOTE]As always, I am open to being shown where the above as stated by me is not the case in Thailand.
Meanwhile, I am sure none of us would want a misunderstanding or repeated misstatement of Thai Law here or anywhere to discourage and disincline an 18 or 19 year old from traveling to Bangkok or Pattaya in order to earn in an hour the same amount of money to feed, cloth and shelter her children and elderly parents that it would take her two weeks standing knee deep in a rice paddy in the blazing sun in her home province to earn, would we?
[QUOTE=Werqweq;3075755]Missed, but not forgotten. One of the funniest posters here, and some trusted members here confirmed he was real.[/QUOTE]He was real. So was that crazy asian guy who posted here, I forget his name, he would always post pics of him banging hardbodies. I was out at nana with him, what a hoot.
What was his name, damn.
The purpose of ISG is to share information on having sex with girls. This is the [B]RANTS[/B] thread. The [B]Pattaya Reports[/B] is for trip reports. Posters should know the difference.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3075696]The only men complaining about how another man spends his hard earned money are the ones that don't have flow nor a stack so they can engage in the [B]International Trickin[/B] activities they enjoy.
Short Time in Pattaya, Thailand starts at 1000 FOR ME and never exceeds 2000 even in Bangkok!
All prices in THB.[/QUOTE]But there are venues in Pattaya with attractive girls at much high prices than I am willing to pay. If things, move in a positive manner I may treat myself to a soapy experience. Otherwise paying the top tier Agogo prices on Walking Street make me feel I am being disloyal to my regulars, who get much less but provide me with much more than pussy.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3073949]I am a very infrequent visitor to Agogos.
I much prefer the girls who bring me food and drink with me in my room then fuck me silly for a fraction of the price even you spend just in the Agogo. 1000 for mamason; 1600 Bar Bill. That is exactly what I give my regulars. 1500 Short Time; 100 Taxi. Unless they spend the night with me then I give them 3000. And with that money I have fucked. You haven't even got your dick wet yet.
But when I go out with my regulars I ball out: 6000 - 8000 for 12 - 16 hours with me and most of that is NOT spent sleeping.
[B]The Cmdr be ballin like mother fucking pro![/B]
[I]All prices in THB[/I][/QUOTE][B]Yet I have been accused of paying above market prices[/B] Based on what exactly?
[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3075720]No shit Sherlock. The dude represents an simple, individual minded subset of men like yourself who collectively and single handily ruin the market of developing countries.[/QUOTE][B]Exactly what are you basing your statements on?[/B] If you review my trip reports you will find that I know more about the [U]Pussy Market[/U] in Pattaya, Thailand than you do. I also pay Market Prices. Sometimes below. Furthermore I take advantage of supply and demand changes. During low season I keep my offers at the low end between 1000 - 2000. Why? Because demand is low, supply is high and girls are willing to take less just to get a customer.
[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3075720]It's simple market economics. If you were selling widgets consistently for 5 bucks and every customer offered you 5 bucks, that's the level in which you'd continue offering it.[/QUOTE]Of course. But a prostitute is not selling widgets (a hard good). She is selling a service where each individual [B]International Trick[/B] is asking her to provided a personalized service. [B]Your analogy falls apart right out of the gate[/B].
[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3075720]If selfish gringo came to you and offered you 2 dollars above market rate for some internal validation, he has shown the widget market that there is an appetite for 6 dollar widgets aka price inelasticity. So you'll turn to your other customer and say give me 6. The customers needing their widgets will say how about 5. 5 you'll accept.[/QUOTE]No that is not how it works. Widgets are not services. But even then, the customer buying the widgets might have asked for modification and thus his willingness to pay more for the widget that the next person. Key point here: differentiation in the market place. Something you don't take into account in your example. I have pointed out that prostitutes are not selling widgets, they are selling social / sexual services, so you are just continuing down a illogical path that makes absolutely no sense (at least to me).
[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3075720]Then another selfish gringo will offer you 7.5 to make himself feel like captain Saveahoe, you'll turn to your other customers and ask for 6. 5, they'll offer 6 and now we have inflation because of a group of men want to feel a feeling of admiration they can't get at home.[/QUOTE]You continue down the wrong path because you went the wrong way right out the gate. Your statement is completely illogical. Beecause a prostitute is not selling widgets. She is selling a service. A service that may or not require modifications depending upon the [B]International Trick[/B] she is selling to.
[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3075720]It's the same thing on the opposite side of the spectrum when women flood in from countries like Venezuela and offer cheap services.[/QUOTE][B]This is Thailand.[/B] If prices in New York have no bearing here neither do prices in Venezuela. You cannot have it both ways my brother.
[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3075720]Most men don't care what you do but you're too old to be acting like your behavior doesn't have consequences down the line.[/QUOTE]My behavior does not affect the market. You have already acknowledged that in your first sentence (that was completely disrespectful and indicates low intelligence to me). What does my chronological age have to do with anything?
[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3075720] It's one thing to simply be ignorant.[/QUOTE]As you have displayed in this post that you have made.
[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3075720]but it's another to actively be acknowledging how expensive women are in one market due to finance bros with too much disposable income, only to turn around and exploit another market in that country you have too much money. [/QUOTE]I'm not doing that. If I am, produce the posts where I did that and make your logical argument.
[QUOTE=Dinosaur9;3075720] You guys sound absolutely silly.[/QUOTE]The only reason you can think that is because you don't have any flow or stack in order to pay for the [B]International Trickin[/B] activities of your choice.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3075645]Man in a Kia pulls up to a stoplight. Man in a BMW pulls up to a stoplight. Man in the Kia rolls down his window and screams "you paid too much for your car". The man driving the BMW just laughs and drives off.[/QUOTE]Your first error: prostitutes are not selling widgets they are selling individually customizable services. Your second error: Failing to acknowledge market differentiation. Your third error: Counting another man's money when you should be working on building up your own flow and stack in order to enjoy live a you see fit without breaking [B]Man Law 101[/B].
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3075650][B]ManLaw 101[/B]: [I]No man ought to be telling another grown man how to spend their money or who to fuck[/I].[/QUOTE]Your fourth error: You don't have any real knowledge of pricing for sexual / social services that prostitutes are providing in Pattaya. If you do, please show me a post where those prices are laid out.
Like this one:
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3073734]I decided to actually put some hard numbers on what's happening in Pattaya Venues*. So few individuals are actually posting real information in the [B]Pattaya Reports[/B] thread.
[U]Dragon[/U]
160 LEO; 220 Lady Drink.
1500 Bar Fine; 4000 Short Time [I](2 hours)[/I]; 7000 Long Time [I](5 hours)[/I].
For a number of reasons, I didn't like the ambiance. But the line up was outstanding. Everyone knows my personal thoughts on pussy prices in Pattaya, Thailand. So, the numbers were an immediate no go. 500 THB in less than an hour. I could have gotten my dick sucked (CIM) in Lipps Lounge for that. But brother if you love after market bolt ONS and knock kneed bimbos gyrating like hoes, well this is one of your spots.
[B]The Cmdr is ballin like mother fuckin pro![/B]
*Based on an actual visit 24 hours before this report was written.[/QUOTE]And this is just ONE of the numerous reports have filed detailing prices in different venues in Pattaya since I have been posted up here. You are welcome to post yours.
Your fifth error is to step to [B]The Cmdr[/B] with a rant in the [B]Pattaya Reports[/B] thread.
[B]Dinosaur9[/B], build a flow and a stack. Then you stop hating and start enjoying the [B]International Trickin[/B] activities at the price point you choose while providing trip reports that inform and posts that are not rants that break [B]ManLaw 101[/B].
[QUOTE=Pokler;3075729]I find it amusinng that you describe the guy bidding up prices as being selfish when in fact you are the selfish one since you only seem to care about how such bidding beyond your means will affect your cheap charlie budget. So I'm supposed to go half way around the world and not layout what I can easily afford to get quality pussy because I alone might raise prices and box guys like you out?
You seem to like economics so maybe there is a side gig for you somewhere in Pattaya for you teaching econ 101 to make a few extra bucks so you're not boxed out by guys like me moving the pussy market![/QUOTE]My point exactly!
[B]If you cannot run with the big dogs, stay on the porch![/B]
[QUOTE=SamSanuk;3075751]In this case, without criticizing or telling a poster how to spend his baht, he authoritatively presented a response meant to give food for thought for those who might be similarly inclined to engage in a "sponsorship" arrangement with a Pattaya prostitute momentarily domiciled in Bumfuckburi.[/QUOTE]Sam you are talking out the side of your neck again!
[QUOTE=SamSanuk;3075751]Another poster called out TGT for telling a guy how to spend his money. TGT did no such thing. Period! Sam.[/QUOTE]I was that poster. Thank you for reading and recognizing my work Sam. But you are wrong. Period. Full Stop.
Here are the words that were written (along with my commentary):
[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;3075590]Your monthly support of 20,000 baht for possibly 4-5 meets is quite high, so hopefully the number og meets are higher than my guesstimate.[/QUOTE]Saying he overpaid. Well I happen to think that Bar Fines, Short and Long Time fees of the girls in top tier Agogos on Pattaya's walking street are quite high.
[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;3075590]Notwithstanding that, a similar Isaan sugarbaby rate for as described could quite well be lower, maybe even easily just half.[/QUOTE]There is no real way to know this. ThaiGoodTimes is talking out the side of his neck. He does not know what the sugarbaby looks like. He does not know the services she is providing. He is not a Bro in the sense that a real Bro knows you personally. I don't know if ThaiGoodTimes really even exists. Nor you Sam. I have Bros. They give me advice when I ask for it. They know who I am IRL!
[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;3075590]As most likely she has other remote sponsors supporting her, and probably even an Isaan Thai husband or partner hiding in the background.[/QUOTE]Girls from Top Tier Agogos don't have any of those issues. If they do, does that stop you meeting your objective and paying her fees?
[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;3075590]But as you're happy with the arrangement, well good on you, long may it last, or as long as you want it to do so.[/QUOTE]This is a condescending statement.
Ssm, everyone knows you are a low post count, fiction writing mother fuck that does not really visit Thailand very often. Have you taken up a role a protecter of other grown men just to boost your post count? While you are at it, please point out a single post I have made where the factual information I included was incorrect. You can't now can you? Why? Because I have spent more time in Thailand than most of whom another white hoody wearing mother fuck has described as [I]respected members[/I]. I would rather be considered a poster who shares accurate information than trying to be popular with a bunch old men who's time has passed in Thailand.
[B]My pet peeve mother fucks telling other grown men what to do![/B]
If you are up in the [B]RANTS[/B] threads looking for good information then you are in the wrong place. The very nature of the thread itself is opinions! Those looking for good information should start in the [U]Posts of Distinction[/U] Threads.
TITLE IX Offences Relating to Sexuality.
"Section 286 Any person, being over sixteen years of age, subsists on the earning of a prostitute, even it is some part of her incomes, shall be punished with imprisonment of seven to twenty years and fined of fourteen thousand to forty thousand Baht, or imprisonment for life.
Any person has no other apparent or sufficient means of subsistence, and:
Is found residing or habitually associating with one or more prostitutes;.
Takes board and lodging, or receives money or any other benefit arranged for by a prostitute; or.
Take part in order to help any prostitute in her quarrel with her customer.
The provisions of this Section shall not be applied to any person who receives maintenance from a prostitute who is bound to give maintenance according to law or morality. "
So, Monger John shares his apartment with his live-in bar-girl girlfriend who also does some freelance pussy sales on Thai Friendly. One day, John gets a bit too drunk, pops a wheelie and crashes his bike. He is injured from the accident and bedridden. During his recovery, his girlfriend continues to do sex work to pay the rent, utilities, and grocery bills to support them both. Has John unknowingly broken Thai law? Can he be prosecuted for receiving board and lodging from a prostitute?
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3075790]The purpose of ISG is to share information on having sex with girls. This is the [B]RANTS[/B] thread. The [B]Pattaya Reports[/B] is for trip reports. Posters should know the difference.
But there are venues in Pattaya with attractive girls at much high prices than I am willing to pay. If things, move in a positive manner I may treat myself to a soapy experience. Otherwise paying the top tier Agogo prices on Walking Street make me feel I am being disloyal to my regulars, who get much less but provide me with much more than pussy.
[B]Yet I have been accused of paying above market prices[/B] Based on what exactly?
[B]Exactly what are you basing your statements on?[/B] If you review my trip reports you will find that I know more about the [U]Pussy Market[/U] in Pattaya, Thailand than you do. I also pay Market Prices. Sometimes below. Furthermore I take advantage of supply and demand changes. During low season I keep my offers at the low end between 1000 - 2000. Why? Because demand is low, supply is high and girls are willing to take less just to get a customer.
Of course. But a prostitute is not selling widgets (a hard good). She is selling a service where each individual [B]International Trick[/B] is asking her to provided a personalized service. [B]Your analogy falls apart right out of the gate[/B].[/QUOTE]Have you considered taking time off from ISG?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3075776]
However, I have yet to see or be shown by anyone here or elsewhere that the Thai Penal Code or a Royal Edict states that the act of prostitution, paying for or being paid for sex with money or anything else of value, is illegal in Thailand for consenting adults over the age of 18, the legal age of consent for virtually everything related to sexuality in Thailand and for which there is no stated penalty for anyone engaging in anything of a sexual nature, provided it is done by adults and with their consent.
[/QUOTE]Just to make sure Im understanding correctly, do you mean 18 and older? I noticed you wrote "over the age of 18", so I wasnt sure if you literally meant over 18 or simply 18+.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3075776]
Meanwhile, I am sure none of us would want a misunderstanding or repeated misstatement of Thai Law here or anywhere to discourage and disincline an 18 or 19 year old from traveling to Bangkok or Pattaya in order to earn in an hour the same amount of money to feed, cloth and shelter her children and elderly parents that it would take her two weeks standing knee deep in a rice paddy in the blazing sun in her home province to earn, would we?[/QUOTE]LOL we absolutely do not want that. Thank you for sharing.
Where is the reports? All this Penal code BS and crap can be put in the rants sections. We want to read about some reports and experiences.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3075790]The purpose of ISG is to share information on having sex with girls. This is the [B]RANTS[/B] thread. The [B]Pattaya Reports[/B] is for trip reports. Posters should know the difference.[/QUOTE]Vendelo please make a note of this.
[QUOTE=Vendelo;3075833]Have you considered taking time off from ISG?[/QUOTE]Why should I? You want to deprive individuals of the information on venues in Thailand that I share? Please check the [B]Pattaya Reports[/B] thread for my latest post on a venue in Pattaya, Thailand.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3075790]If you review my trip reports you will find that I know more about the [U]Pussy Market[/U] in Pattaya, Thailand than you do. [/QUOTE]Vendelo, I missed your report on your trip Phuket, Thailand. Could you point it out to me?
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3075793]If you are up in the [B]RANTS[/B] threads looking for good information then you are in the wrong place. The very nature of the thread itself is opinions! Those looking for good information should start in the [U]Posts of Distinction[/U] Threads.[/QUOTE][B]How you like me now?[/B]
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;3075830]TITLE IX Offences Relating to Sexuality.
"Section 286 Any person, being over sixteen years of age, subsists on the earning of a prostitute, even it is some part of her incomes, shall be punished with imprisonment of seven to twenty years and fined of fourteen thousand to forty thousand Baht, or imprisonment for life.
Any person has no other apparent or sufficient means of subsistence, and:
Is found residing or[b] habitually associating with one or more prostitutes[/b];.
Takes board and lodging, or receives money or any other benefit arranged for by a prostitute; or.
Take part in order to help any prostitute in her quarrel with her customer.
The provisions of this Section shall not be applied to any person who receives maintenance from a prostitute who is bound to give maintenance according to law [b]or morality.[/b] "
So, Monger John shares his apartment with his live-in bar-girl girlfriend who also does some freelance pussy sales on Thai Friendly. One day, John gets a bit too drunk, pops a wheelie and crashes his bike. He is injured from the accident and bedridden. During his recovery, his girlfriend continues to do sex work to pay the rent, utilities, and grocery bills to support them both. Has John unknowingly broken Thai law? Can he be prosecuted for receiving board and lodging from a prostitute?[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Is found residing or[b] habitually associating with one or more prostitutes[/b];.
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The provisions of this Section shall not be applied to any person who receives maintenance from a prostitute who is bound to give maintenance according to law [b]or morality.[/b] "[/QUOTE]It probably depends on whether or not the Thai Authorities consider it the prostitute's "moral" duty to take care of Monger John in his unfortunate time of need. You know, especially after he has picked up the tab for a few Grab food deliveries and such. Or so she might claim.
The same loophole would probably apply to the times Monger John loses his phone and can no longer use it to seek work outside of his Honey's income, his sister's sick buffalo can no longer roll out of bed to provide whatever buffalo do for Thai families, mom's broken toe and all the other calamities that so often befall Thai and Farang friends and relatives of Thai prostitutes.
However, if it turns out this living condition and repeated dependence on the kindness of prostitutes is a "habitual" behavior for Monger John, he could be in big legal trouble.
It all depends on the perception and mood of the Thai Authority that encounters the arrangement. Pretty much the same as it being up to the Thai Immigration Officer wielding the visa stamp on a given day, hour and cubicle at the Immigration office whether or not you really have all the documents and proof of financial solvency you need to get the retirement visa extension stamp in your passport on this particular day, week, month or year.