Phnom Penh

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1860073]But I never tried to pay 15 dollar in BF. Is that normal in PP now? Last year I only paid 10 dollar in BF.[/QUOTE]Some of the bars on street 130 (Honey Pot, Angry Birds and at least one more I believe) have $15 BF on Fridays and Saturdays.

[QUOTE=Sketchy;1860085]Some of the bars on street 130 (Honey Pot, Angry Birds and at least one more I believe) have $15 BF on Fridays and Saturdays.[/QUOTE]I wasn't aware of this. I didn't take anyone out of Angry Birds when I was in PP in December, but I did take a couple of girls out of Honey Pot mid-week. It reinforces that one must get all the relevant information before committing to taking a girl out ie. Cost of barfine, cost of girl, what activities she'll participate in, whether she bareback (if that's your thing) etc.

Recently, my wingmen and I spent 6 days in Phnom Penh (PP), Cambodia. My regular wingman and I have been there 2 years ago, but only for 4 days. This time, we picked up 3 more punters from Thailand and all 5 of us descended on PP. Another punter had visited PP once before and the other 2 never.

We stayed at the Grand Waterfront hotel on 130. I reserved through Agoda and picked their smaller room by mistake, more like a studio. The normal room is much bigger and only slightly more expensive, at $50/ night. They have even bigger rooms for slightly more but I heard from the wingmen that the window AC unit cannot cool them well enough.

PP has not changed much from 2 years ago, maybe a bit dirtier. At the corner of our street, close to the river, there was a homeless family staying on the street. That area looked scary and smelly, pretty bad. The family had 2 young children and I felt sad for them. Some of us did our best to spoil them. We went to lunch every day and we were not very hungry. Hence, there was plenty of leftover food for that family.

From the punting side, I noticed that prices have gone up, to the point that they are much closer to prices in Pattaya. But the chicks were much friendlier and less mercenaries. We were always quoted tourist prices and I for one rarely negotiate. But I was happy with the service. Most of my mongering was concentrated in 2 areas, the bars and Darlin Darlin (DD). Other folks ventured elsewhere but I did not, as I am a sucker for eye candy.

I picked up 2 lovely ladies at DD. One of them was Cambodian and turned out to be a star fish, a waste of money. The other was Vietnamese and was a different story, the best of the entire trip (Thailand / Cambodia). She was eye candy, even DDG (drop dead gorgeous) with a stunning body, slim with nice curves, and customer oriented. Her service bordered on the PSE (porn star experience) side. I ended up seeing her 4 times for all night. At DD, the girls were asking $100 for short time, and $150/$200 for LT.

I also picked up a few chicks from several bars around the hotel for short time action. The girls wanted $50 for short time action, but were willing to go for $30/$40. However, I found the bar scene annoying, as the girls would swarm around you and pester you for drinks all the time you are there. Two of us were softies, so the girls kept picking on us and we ended up with large drink bills every time, which tainted the experience a bit. I eventually learned to manage the damage from LD drinks.

We also visited a massage parlor, on the 5th floor of the Soul Golden City hotel, one afternoon. That was a complete disaster. 3 of us picked girls and we all had a disappointing experience. The girls wanted $100, and they would not settle for less than $50. Yet, they provided lousy service, no kissing, no BBBJ, no touching. My girl was eye candy but I could not get it up with her. I was so turned off that I got up, got dressed, tossed her a $50 bill and left in disgust. She tried to get me to stay but I would no consider it, I was so pissed. She did not speak a word of English, yet when I tried to communicate with her using an app on my phone, she did not show any interest. Incidentally, we had a similar experience 2 years ago at the Yang Mei MP. So, no more MPs for me in PP.

Overall, I had a good time on this trip, as my Vietnamese chick was the highlight of the trip for me. Next time, I will focus my effort on DD and the bars, no more experimenting.

I have been in PP for two days stopover again and would like to add my 2 cents to the overall "pricing"discussion:

Yeah prices been spoiled. Yeah its not like 10 years before. But PP is not like it was 10 years before.

My experience is: ST 20 to 30, good service. LT 40 to 50, good service. Can be hit or miss, depending on girl, mood and time of day.

100 LT plus barfine for LE Cyrcee girls: WELL Worth the expense. NEVER EVER been let down!

But let me be frank: If you are really overweight or ugly or into all too exotic practices then the prices may explode for virtually non-existing service.

That doesn't mean you have to look like a movie star, but shave, clean teeth and fresh shower may reduce the damage by 50%.

My experience is: If you look cheap the prices go up. Even if the girls ask for 100, if you offer 50 LT with an accommodating smile they will accept. If you tell them that you don't pay 100 $ for a w* then they will likely turn around and go.

I usually treat the girls like they treat me and they e-mail and SMS me even when I go back. Certainly no love but they do seem happy to see me whenever I get back.

Whether you get a hardened hooker or a sweet countrygirl depends on your picks.

Word to the wise: Do NOT Believe anything the girls say. Do NOT get involved. I had my time with a Khmer girl and it took me a few weeks to find out what she was. .

Still, many girls are nice. Just don't expect too much. If you are willing to marry, things may be different, but I ain't.

Avoid Soraya Mall. It's really getting a dump and too many drugs there. Lina Vong a / k / a Sreyoun Aihdisdiz is back in town. Soraya - after some stint in the countryside, avoid her like the plague. She gave a buddy of mine the syph a few weeks ago (he said his condom ripped, may be true or not, she does offer bareback in all 3 h's for 10 or 20 $ tip to support her drug habit).

She also has a habit of stealing cellphones and wallets (a guest in the hotel where I usually stay reported to the manager).

But then, Lina V. Is the exception. My current fav is Da, a really sweet rather voluptuous Latina-looking girl, 21 with very European features. Great ass, great big firm boobs, definitely GFE.

40 $ LT although I usually take her for some shopping. If you want her to come along, she's a 300 $ a week all-in, picks a 2nd girl for 3 some pleasure and bargains hard at that with the others, LOL.

She got me two sexy chicks for a 4some, both nice looking, Mon and Yut,both about 20. It was 120 $ all three together, payable to Da. Not sure what she paid the others.

Local upscale girls:

They are not as untouchable as some here seem to believe. I got involved with N., a 26 year old REAL looker. Very upscale family (been there and know her Dad socially, no fake or make believe.

She loves to go out with me but only with Cousins or sister present to places like FCC. I know her for four years and never succeeded to bed her.

Turned out I just did not ask the right question. When I invited her over to Bangkok last week, she joined me without hesitation. Of course I had to book a 2nd room for her and her cousin, but she never saw that room from the inside.

What can I say, she was worth the wait, GREAT. Sorry no pic, she can't afford any scandal. She waits that I ask her to marry be but that won't happen. He cousin is also a real looker and gave me some hints.

So when I will be back in PP end of this month I'll find out if she was just flirty or really available.

These girls have the same sexual needs as anyone. If you are halfways educated and groomed with some manners, they are available. But VERY discreetly.

It did cost me the airfare PNH-BKK for two girls and some Victorias Secret and Manolo Blahniks for N., but again, she was worth it.

She even had my first name tattooed over her thingy-small but visible. That really amazed me, I did not ask her to do it. That was her surprise for me and that's what she got the Manolo Blahniks for.

Her Dad's second Mia Noi (sorry I don't know the Khmer word, LOL) just turned 18 and is pregnant. Middle class family but still they arranged. I would say that may have cost 100 grand upwards-and for PP that's REAL money.

I'll be back in PP end of this month and 1st week of May. Anyone up for a beer and chat, drop me a line. If there's something worth reporting you can read it on here.

Can anyone share experiences with Karaoke clubs, especially KTV? Are barang welcome and how is the pricing and the goods?

Cheers, Kenny.

Chicken. About 35 why old.

Has anyone tried this girl? I can PM you her Facebook link and name, I believe she can be found in Channary Bar on St 104 or Rose Bar, same street. Or at least they know of her and can make you an appointment with her.

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[QUOTE=KennyRogers;1864579]100 LT plus barfine for LE Cyrcee girls: WELL Worth the expense. NEVER EVER been let down![/QUOTE]Thanks for the copious amounts of info there King Kenny.

I popped into Cyrcee last time I was in PP but didn't really appreciate being mobbed by the girls. I was the only guy in the place. And so high-tailed it out of there. I thought about going back when I'm in PP at the end of this week and am wondering if you know what a ST in the upstairs room costs. $100 + BF is a lot more than I'm used to paying in PP.

[QUOTE=AussieFella;1867203] I'm in PP at the end of this week and am wondering if you know what a ST in the upstairs room costs. $100 + BF is a lot more than I'm used to paying in PP.[/QUOTE]ST across the street is BF, $25-35 for girl plus $5 for room and $5 for condom (bring your own).

[QUOTE=AussieFella;1867203]Thanks for the copious amounts of info there King Kenny.

I popped into Cyrcee last time I was in PP but didn't really appreciate being mobbed by the girls. I was the only guy in the place. And so high-tailed it out of there. I thought about going back when I'm in PP at the end of this week and am wondering if you know what a ST in the upstairs room costs. $100 + BF is a lot more than I'm used to paying in PP.[/QUOTE]NO Way. You got me wrong. ST is 30 or 40 plus barfine. But the girls are okay to make appointment for 1 am, after that you can take them out without being barfined. 100 is an all-in, all-night, no limits thingy.

Cyrcee girls are cute, straightforward and not shy. Ask if they accommodate your wants and needs. If they say yes they will. Cyrcee is double price triple fun.

I would not use the word "mobbed". Yeah the girls tend to crowd you, but as soon as you have settled on one or two they leave you well alone, unlike in other establishments.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1860073]The 40 dollar is ok for LT. Usually I talk a bit with the girl first. Buy a drink and a ladydrink. Then I ask if she would go with me. If she says yes I tell her what I want and what I would pay her. On this trip to PP I asked 4 girls. All said yes and all accepted the amount as I offered. But I never tried to pay 15 dollar in BF. Is that normal in PP now? Last year I only paid 10 dollar in BF.[/QUOTE]Its us who make the prices by accept crazy prices compare to Cambodia living. BF, when not exist was the driver to get customer to Cambodia and so lots, lots of western bar owner started BF copied Thailand. BF never more then 10 sol. Girls max. 20 dol. I have always success with that but will be changed when mongers and others accept a all kind of prices. Remember a workers monthly salary is between, 100 - 150 dol. A month so when girls charge 50 dol they charge a half months salary for one our.

[QUOTE=Finkel60;1868633]Its us who make the prices by accept crazy prices compare to Cambodia living. BF, when not exist was the driver to get customer to Cambodia and so lots, lots of western bar owner started BF copied Thailand. BF never more then 10 sol. Girls max. 20 dol. I have always success with that but will be changed when mongers and others accept a all kind of prices. Remember a workers monthly salary is between, 100 - 150 dol. A month so when girls charge 50 dol they charge a half months salary for one our.[/QUOTE]Supply and demand set the price. Salaries of regular jobs is increasing. A friend of mine works as a secretary. She earns $ 350 a month. Also factory workers' wages increased somewhat in recent years.

I don't think $ 40 LT is a crazy price but I know that I still can have bargirl LT in Sihanoukville for $ 30. I you want cheaper price you can take FL. Easy to find for $ 20 LT and for $ 10ST.

Everything is up to you.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1868874]Supply and demand set the price.[/QUOTE]The supply of bargirls in Phnom Penh is much higher than the demand.

But yes, I also think $40 LT is acceptable.

I was in PP last year December for 4 nights and stayed at Lux Riverside hotel for $220.

I had a beautiful room with king size bed, only downside was the view from my room (gallery with entrance to other rooms). But it was girl friendly and the front desk always rung to check if everything was OK when girls were leaving.

First night I walked to Walkabout at 109 Pasteur street (51). Ordered a beer and within one minute I was approached by an average looking girl who wanted to give me a good time. I didn't really find her attractive so I said no thanks and kept op nipping on my beer. Finished my beer and went to Cycree bar. After entering I was swarmed with girls; as soon as I sat down there must of been at least 10 girls grabbing my balls and rubbing their boobs against me. It was a wonderful experience and I just loved it. I picked out a girl with orange hair and we went to a ST hotel on the opposite side of the street. The room was crappy but the girl was so sweet. After showering together she gave me a great blowjob and then she came and sat with her tight pussy on me (with condom). Within seconds I came, she made me feel so good. After a little chit-chat, her English wasn't that good so we couldn't really communicate, we went back to the bar. I paid about $80 for drinks, BF, ST (hotel), condom, tip. Maybe I paid too much but I had a great time.

The next day I went sight seeing (Choeung Ek killing field and Tuol Sleng museum). It was very shocking to hear what Pol Pot did in the 1970's and I was kind of emotionally stunned. So I went back to my hotel and asked for a massage in my room. The guy at the front desk asked if I preferred a young or old lady; of course I preferred a younger lady. About 10 minutes later a beautiful lady with long sexy dress came to my room (her name was Lyn). The massage wasn't very good but I always replied that it felt good when she asked me. After 30 minutes I turned around and I agreed to a HJ for $30 extra (the massage itself was $10). I want in the mood (and I didn't cum) so after a while we just started to chat; I asked her if she wanted to go out with me that night and stay with me LT. Unfortunately she was occupied, but she knew another girl who could accompany me. On my request for 2 girls she arranged another girl. The price was $100 per girl and they would stay with me from 8 pm till the next day 11-12 am. Within 20 minutes the 2 girls were in my room, they were so beautiful and young. Only one of them spoke English, the other was a little bit shy and stayed in the background. First we went out to have dinner and then later we went to Soraya Mall to have a few drinks and play a bit of snooker. The shy girl became more and more fun after she started to drink and we had a great time playing snooker. What I didn't like that we were hassled quite a few times by guys who wanted to play snooker for money; I just said no and tried to ignore them. It was about 12 pm and we decided to go to Pontoon; In Pontoon it was like a gay bar, there we so many single guys there. When I walked in with 2 girls by my side I saw their mouths drop open, I felt quite lucky. We started "sandwich" dancing and I could feel that everyone was looking at us. Again I really enjoyed myself. At 3-4 am we went back to the hotel, I gave the girls their money and asked them to leave because I wanted to sleep (no sex but I didn't mind! OK it was expensive and I truly overpaid those girls (forgive me for driving the price up), but it was worth the money in my eyes.

I agreed to see one of the girls from last night for a second time but as she was now asking for $150; I just sent an SMS saying I didn't like her any more. And that was that.

The next 2 nights I LTed with Amom from lotus bar on 130 street. The BF was $10 and I paid $30 for long time. The second night, Aya, a friend of Amom also came and slept with us. Also paid Aya $30. Paying $60 for a threesome is not bad and they took very good care of me! They also brought me to the airport and gave me big kiss in front of a huge crowd.

I just loved Phnom Phen. I am a guy in my fifties and a bit overweight; however if you don't hassle the girls and treat them well, they will take good care of you. I just can't wait to go back again.

[QUOTE=KennyRogers;1867963]NO Way. You got me wrong. ST is 30 or 40 plus barfine. But the girls are okay to make appointment for 1 am, after that you can take them out without being barfined. 100 is an all-in, all-night, no limits thingy.

Cyrcee girls are cute, straightforward and not shy. Ask if they accommodate your wants and needs. If they say yes they will. Cyrcee is double price triple fun.

I would not use the word "mobbed". Yeah the girls tend to crowd you, but as soon as you have settled on one or two they leave you well alone, unlike in other establishments.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I realised I misunderstood. I went back to Cyrcee two nights ago and took two girls across the road. $20 in BF and $50 to the girls ($25 each). Pretty good value!

When I refer to being mobbed, it's the dozen girls who surround me when I sit down, all trying to get my attention and demanding I pick someone NOW. Yes, they do mostly leave once a selection is made but it's that initial crowding that puts me off. I prefer to take things a little more sedately and make a selection (or not) in my own time. Still, obviously other guys enjoy the attention so it's not a major drama.