Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;3084422]My answer to both your questions are Nana is much better than Cowboy these days and to echo Horsetrader's comments almost any bar serving alcohol it's possible to pick up freelancers. Especially on Soi 4 and Soi 11. There are several bars on both sides of Nana Plaza that have freelancers. On Soi 11 besides Sugar Club there is Climax and levels clubs. Also Hillary bars (2) and Oscar's bar inside the restaurant. Several others that I don't remember the names as well as street walkers. As an expat living in Bangkok I avoid Soi 11 because it's tourist central. On Cowboy both bars Penny Black and Country Road have freelancers but only in small numbers.[/QUOTE]I always avoided Soi 11 except for levels too as well as Cowboy, since they are more for show than getting laid.

But now I'm a tourist again LOL.

Anybody been to Mixx? Used to be Russian girls.

After being away for more than a few years and salacious lurking here, I finally have the opportunity to go back. Questions first, and I'll add some details later that folks can skip or read at their choosing.

I am curious about Nyezhov's comment about Mandarin not being for rookies. I mean, at some level of experience, all of these girls are now experts at reading people and separating an unsuspecting customer from his cash with the least amount of effort. What is it about Mandarin specifically that makes it not for rookies?

Less a question and more of a "WTF, I coulda had a V8" moment. For my previous gogobar takeouts, I paid the BF and the ST fee (and always had good experiences, which was not guaranteed) at the bar. Someone commented about pushing back to not pay the ST / LT fee to the bar / mama, and I was like, "Well, fuck yeah, why didn't I ever think of that before? Point being that no matter how much many years I have been doing this, and numerous trips to BKK, Khon Kaen, etc. There are still things to learn here if we just pay attention.

Onto the narrative and upcoming plans:

I've been to BKK and elsewhere in Thailand a number of times and have done oilies, soapies, shows, FLs, and takeout at bars like Hillary's and gogos at Soi Cowboy and Nana. The one that got away was this crazy little thing in Khan Kaen. There was a kind of dance club in the basement of the (I think) Pullman, which was nextdoor to a decent fishbowl. I was just having a drink and wound up in a private room with some gal that wasn't working and she was a wild thing and she was literally dripping wet.

Anyway, I am looking to find a young-ish lady (for me, so late 20's early 30's) to be my after-dinner companion for the duration of my stay. Assuming I can find someone that has the right personality, enthusiasm (for an hour or two), BBFSCIP / BBBJCIM, etc. I will likely stay at the JW Marriott near Nana. I love Crazy House and will probably have to check it out, if for no other reason than fond memories. I'll pay for a TF membership and check that out, but I like to meet and evaluate in person, and I don't have to time to do "interviews". I will likely focus on Mandarin if it looks good as it will allow me to save time, being near the JW. That way I can get food, workouts, AND playtime all in with the rest of my schedule. I am a fan of keeping the mamasan happy and using her to help refine the search process.

Most of this is to lead me to say I greatly appreciate the regulars here keeping it real and continually offering tips, such as EverythingThai's Overview of Bangkok Options ([URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4402-Overview-of-Bangkok-options&p=2963188&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2963188), EihTooms, SubCmdr, etc. I lurk here often to keep up, and haven't had much to contribute, but I will do so after my adventure.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3082171]Mandarin is not for rookies to the scene.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BMoreDog69;3084679]I am curious about Nyezhov's comment about Mandarin not being for rookies. I mean, at some level of experience, all of these girls are now experts at reading people and separating an unsuspecting customer from his cash with the least amount of effort. What is it about Mandarin specifically that makes it not for rookies?[/QUOTE]IMHO, Mandarin is not much different from other Nana Plaza go go bars. It is small and, perhaps, a bit seedier than the average place, but nothing that alarms me. In 2023/2024 I did a number of bar fines from Mandarin and I don't remember anything that would discourage me from doing it again, though I've found greener pastures elsewhere since then. The average girl is not as beautiful as those at, say, Butterflies, Geisha, and Billboard, but there is likely someone there for most tastes. I cannot confirm the rumor that there is a 2 tier bar fine system, one price for CFS and another price for BBFS. My last bar fine at Mandarin was in about 2024. One big difference between Mandarin and the other go go bars is that the entire stage is one giant knee deep bath tub where you might have 12 naked girls dancing for you. Expect stadium style seating with a small table in front of your bleacher. The worst part about Mandarin is the treacherous stairway.

I don't know why Nyezhov said what he said about Mandarin, but I would be interested if he wants to elaborate. To me, Mandarin was always an interesting bar worth checking out. It was never at the top of my list of favorite Nana bars, but I still liked the place and pulled some very attractive girls out of there. Basically BMoreDog69, we are in a similar place. I have not been to the LOS since 2019, but I have my air transportation and hotel reservations booked and I am excited about returning even though many of my punter friends have told me they think scene has gone markedly downhill. Maybe it has, but this is why I am coming. To find out for myself.

I am going to stay within walking distance of Nana for my 1st 10 days back in town and I plan to hit it up Nana every night unless it disappoints. Basically, I have no game plan other than to start off with my favorite bars from bygone days and see what happens. For example, if I like the girls in Rainbow 4 or 5 or whatever they call it now, I will hang out (barfine) there. If I like the girls in Billboard I will hang out there. If I don't see anything worthwhile in a Go Go, I won't spend any time there.

Eventually, I will get around to every decent Go Go in Nana and meet / barfine a whole lot of girls. It should be fun even if my friends are right about the current scene. So yeah, I will be checking out Mandarin for sure. And for sure, I will eventually make it over to Crazy House which used to be my favorite Go Go in BKK from when it opened to around 2017, and even Patpong where Kings Castle 1 & 2 use to reign supreme. In fact, I have a reservation at the Intercontinental for 4 nights later on in my visit to facilitate hitting Patpong, Mixx, and Spasso. I am not overly optimistic about these places, but I have to give them a look / see anyway. And I am sure I will hit up La Belle and Maria at least once each too. So, there is a lot to see and do. And like any trip I ever had, everything goes out the window as soon as your feet hit the pavement.

And I am also heading down to Pattaya where I will pretty much do a similar recon in a very different punting destination.

So, who knows? I may love Thailand all over again, or I may have mixed feelings, or I may reach the conclusion that it ain't worth the long flight anymore. This is what excites me about this upcoming trip and why I am returning. This is what traveling is all about.

I don't remember the bar in Soi Cowboy, but I remember looking up and some dancer was going reverse cowgirl on some dude in the bleachers. Appropriate, I guess, for Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3084691]IMHO, Mandarin is not much different from other Nana Plaza go go bars. It is small and, perhaps, a bit seedier than the average place, but nothing that alarms me. In 2023/2024 I did a number of bar fines from Mandarin and I don't remember anything that would discourage me from doing it again, though I've found greener pastures elsewhere since then. The average girl is not as beautiful as those at, say, Butterflies, Geisha, and Billboard, but there is likely someone there for most tastes. I cannot confirm the rumor that there is a 2 tier bar fine system, one price for CFS and another price for BBFS. My last bar fine at Mandarin was in about 2024. One big difference between Mandarin and the other go go bars is that the entire stage is one giant knee deep bath tub where you might have 12 naked girls dancing for you. Expect stadium style seating with a small table in front of your bleacher. The worst part about Mandarin is the treacherous stairway.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3084691]IMHO, Mandarin is not much different from other Nana Plaza go go bars. It is small and, perhaps, a bit seedier than the average place, but nothing that alarms me. In 2023/2024 I did a number of bar fines from Mandarin and I don't remember anything that would discourage me from doing it again, though I've found greener pastures elsewhere since then. The average girl is not as beautiful as those at, say, Butterflies, Geisha, and Billboard, but there is likely someone there for most tastes. I cannot confirm the rumor that there is a 2 tier bar fine system, one price for CFS and another price for BBFS. My last bar fine at Mandarin was in about 2024. One big difference between Mandarin and the other go go bars is that the entire stage is one giant knee deep bath tub where you might have 12 naked girls dancing for you. Expect stadium style seating with a small table in front of your bleacher. The worst part about Mandarin is the treacherous stairway.[/QUOTE]Mandarin has reputation for drink hustling rookies. They pull the double lady drink and I've been told that they're into short changing. They mostly take advantage of Asians. This is based on my random conversations with various people, as I haven't climbed those stairs probably since 2018.

Thanks for the heads up, and the reminder. It's a good reminder that one must keep theirs wits about them when you're at a club. We are walking ATMs with poor blood flow to the larger head.

Fortunately I gave up drinking a while back, which makes part of that process easier. I never had issues at Crazy House (years ago), but I watch the tab, or just pay as I go.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3084755]Mandarin has reputation for drink hustling rookies. They pull the double lady drink and I've been told that they're into short changing. They mostly take advantage of Asians. This is based on my random conversations with various people, as I haven't climbed those stairs probably since 2018.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BMoreDog69;3084889]Thanks for the heads up, and the reminder. It's a good reminder that one must keep theirs wits about them when you're at a club. We are walking ATMs with poor blood flow to the larger head.

Fortunately I gave up drinking a while back, which makes part of that process easier. I never had issues at Crazy House (years ago), but I watch the tab, or just pay as I go.[/QUOTE]I don't find Madarin scammy. But yes you need to know the rules. And unless you read this or explicitly ask they don't necessarily volunteer. The rules are this:

If you pull a girl from the tub its minimum 500 B so generally two drinks. But if she is not in the tub then you can call her over. And she will ask for a drink. One drink should be sufficient. I suppose you can make that clear if you need to but I never had to. This is the most naked and hands on club in Nana. If you get her a drink she will grind on you with her top off and her ass completely exposed as well. Full hands on T and A. And DFK once you are acquainted a bit more. YMMV of course.

They are pretty strict about drinks though. If I don't buy another she will move on. So if you are trying to save $$ it's prob not for you. If you want the highest mileage and good chance of BBFS it's a good bet.

When I went to bar fine it was a shocking 1500 BF + 5000 for the girl. I protested and said way too high for nana. They conferred and bar fine remained 1500 but girl moved to 4000. In the room it was amazing and BBFS without any discussion. So worth it to me. Again ymmv.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3084755]Mandarin has reputation for drink hustling rookies. They pull the double lady drink and I've been told that they're into short changing. They mostly take advantage of Asians. This is based on my random conversations with various people, as I haven't climbed those stairs probably since 2018.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I can only confirm that they are padding the drink bill at the Mandarin and are also trying to charge inflated bar fines. Happened to me 3 weeks ago. I am done with this bar for good.

[B]Crazy House[/B]

Never had a problem with drink hustling there. Yes, they want their lady drinks to hang out with you, but that is the price of admission. Those with Alligator arms need not apply. I've never pulled the trigger. Simply too expensive compared to where I am normally posted up. But great [I]atmosphere[/I] and [I]eye candy[/I]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;3084755]Mandarin has reputation for drink hustling rookies. They pull the double lady drink and I've been told that they're into short changing. They mostly take advantage of Asians. This is based on my random conversations with various people, as I haven't climbed those stairs probably since 2018.[/QUOTE]That has become an issue everywhere, certainly not unique to Mandarin. When I agree to a lady drink, I hold up 1 finger and say 1 drink. She often asks for a double drink and I hold up 1 finger. It's noisy and we don't all speak same language. This works.

To avoid short change, I look carefully at the bill and the waitress knows that I'm expecting certain change. I seldom get involved with many rounds, so confusion has never been an issue.

Just curious as I have not been since pre-COVID, has this just gotten worse in general, or is this related to a reduction in tourism, so fewer guys coughing up cash? I have always believed the ladies & clubs were pretty mercenary about these things, but my historical experiences were not so bad that I felt like I was watching my wallet 24/7. Of course, I do segregate my cash that I use for drinks, from my cash for taking the lady out, just to reduce the amount of cash visible at any given time.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3084914]That has become an issue everywhere, certainly not unique to Mandarin. When I agree to a lady drink, I hold up 1 finger and say 1 drink. She often asks for a double drink and I hold up 1 finger. It's noisy and we don't all speak same language. This works.

To avoid short change, I look carefully at the bill and the waitress knows that I'm expecting certain change. I seldom get involved with many rounds, so confusion has never been an issue.[/QUOTE]

Monday.

Foreword: As someone who has been all over South America and Europe, loves Scandallo and an FKK, but hasn't mongered much in Southeast Asia, Bangkok may be the greatest place on earth and I've been here 3 hours. I forgot how much I love tiny women and in the age of google translate the communication isn't that bad.

Pre-Trip (Seeking): Logged into Seeking and sent some messages to a few eastern europeans and local professionals. One 19 year old wasn't looking for sex, and the other two want 15 K without discussion of services rendered. I am keeping tabs on a cute Russian who offered that, but will likely cut bait given the below unless she is up for BBFSCIP because I can't fucking resist slavic girls.

Layover (ThaiFriendly): During my layover I grabbed ThaiFriendly and began sorting through the ladies, upon landing at 11:30 PM I spot some more logged in and sent some more. Filtering <25, no kids, within 15 km of Nana. Including a few talking while in the taxi I have 36 outbound, 11 responses so far with multiple immediate responses of "I'm an FL, ST $$ with most quoting 2. 5 K and one 6 K.

Arrival: Touchdown at 11:30, in the cab by 12:25. On the drive to the JW I responded to a few of the 2. 5 K ThaiFriendly ladies asking if I had recent STD tests and a vasectomy would they go without a condom for extra. One no, one yes for 3 K and we began talking about how soon she could reach the hotel. Am I really getting offered BBFS from someone under an hour after I landed for less than 100 USD? Unfortuately I arrived just before 1 and hopped in the shower but her "20 minutes" turned in "maybe longer" by the time I was out. I'm antsy to see Nana Plaza and tell her we can just do it tomorrow and she is cool with it. Stay tuned for her I have her WhatsApp.

Targeting (Nana Plaza, Geisha): I arrive at Nana at 1:25 AM and circle each floor. Was looking for Mandarin but I couldn't find it and now see it is tucked away in a corner. I was peeking through the curtains on the 3rd floor as I walked by and while everywhere had girls, Geisha was packed full and 10 of the girls were standing in the bubble tub with guys at the rail slapping 20/50 notes on them and rubbing their pussies. One in the tub is perfectly tiny 159 cm but not flat and has a great full back tattoo. I buy a water for 200 and have a seat observing while she tries to coax me over. I snap out of it, circle the stage, and walk out, intent on exploring some of the other places.

I stick to the third floor, holding my water bottle and I just decided to walk straight into other places ignoring waitresses and girls waving for me to sit down. Billboard, Rainbow 3, and Butterflies all have some lookers but only a few naked in the tub so I decide it is getting late and the girl at Geisha was calling to me. I ask a mamasan how much, 5200 for 2 hours. I ask her if any of the girls are open to no condoms if I have tests and am snipped and she says no. I'm fine with it and just plan to ask in the room. I tried to ask if I could just pay the bar fine and pay her at the hotel but got a no. Its too late to bother pressing about it and luckily I have almost the exact amount plus 100 for mamasan.

Scoring: Gal goes to get the soap and bubbles off her and 10 minutes later we are walking towards my hotel. Ghost town at reception we just walk right up to the room and begin conversating over Google Translate. After niceties are out of the way I ask her if I could take a video of us fucking to show my girlfriend back home (its our kink) if I pay her more. She looks shy but asks how much and I say 500. She points up, asking for more, so I pop the real question, can I show you tests and we fuck raw? She again asks how much and I say 2 K and she says yes to that and the videos! We trade oral, do a few different positions and I fire 24 hours worth of cum that I was holding the whole flight into her. Some more chatting and playing and she is back off to Nana and I have her WhatsApp in case this is somehow an outlier.

7500 for BBFSCIP all-in on a very truncated Day 1. Time for sleep.

To-Do List in no particular order:

1\ Russian Seeking Girl.

2\ BBFS ThaiFriendly Girl.

3\ Play with a Lady Boy. Girlfriend really wants that video so I am going to go scope out the Nana Plaza clubs.

4\ Nuru / Soap Massage.

5\ Fuck more Nana Plaza girls? Have enough cash to do what I did tonight twice a day for the rest of the week so.

Random Observations and Questions:

I was assuming each bar would demand you get a drink, but I just stomped on through each place with a bottle of water and just ignored waitresses directing me to tables. I might even bring my own bottle next time.

The girl I was with did mime a drink from the stage, but it was late and I just wanted to fuck. I asked the mamasan how much to take her and got the 5200 quote. I was expecting to be hustled for drinks! Should I expect different earlier in the day? I don't drink and don't really give a shit to sit around at the club talking I want to get the girl back to my hotel as fast as possible.

I handed the mamasan exact change and she signaled for a tip. Is 100 appropriate because that is what I gave and she was fine?

I was in Billboard in Nana Plaza, pulled a hot girl from the stage and bought her a $7 drink.

She was late 20's, pretty face, beautiful body with smooth, light skin, sat on my lap next to the stage, smiling sweetly, trying to communicate, sipping her drink slowly. I tasted it; real whiskey, not Saigon tea hehe. We were staring at each other, smiling. I kissed her mouth with my hands roaming her natural boobs and hot srotch.

She sat with me about 20 minutes. No one hustled me for more drinks or tips. She was smiling graciously when I had to go. Overall her company was fun, sweet and sexy; her drink was worth far more than in pussies bars in other countries, except Classic T2 in Jakarta, where girls' drinks are the same prices as guys, and beautiful girls would sit with you for hours.

I would buy them drinks again.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3084952]I was in Billboard in Nana Plaza, pulled a hot girl from the stage and bought her a $7 drink.

She was late 20's, pretty face, beautiful body with smooth, light skin, sat on my lap next to the stage, smiling sweetly, trying to communicate, sipping her drink slowly. I tasted it; real whiskey, not Saigon tea hehe. We were staring at each other, smiling. I kissed her mouth with my hands roaming her natural boobs and hot srotch.

She sat with me about 20 minutes. No one hustled me for more drinks or tips. She was smiling graciously when I had to go. Overall her company was fun, sweet and sexy; her drink was worth far more than in pussies bars in other countries, except Classic T2 in Jakarta, where girls' drinks are the same prices as guys, and beautiful girls would sit with you for hours.

I would buy them drinks again.[/QUOTE]100% agree. Billboard is my fave bar to hangout at. Girls are pretty. Music good. Always crowded. And fair on drinks and not at all pushy. It's simple fair play in a fun environment. And I've pulled s couple hotties to boot.

Plus the rotating stripper heels and camel toe stage is fucking genius!