Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Sumart]Does anybody know where these BR girls go, when they are not in BR? I am sure they are not at home .....[/QUOTE]

Actually it isn't that unusual for them to go back to their hometown for a couple of weeks or so. But mostly if you don't see your favorite girl, chances are very high she's in jail.

Under the new crackdown, when the girls are rounded up they get drug tested and sent to jail for around 1-3 months if found positive, and merely fined 500 baht if negative. This is the main reason the numbers, quality, and service levels are down so much from the old days. There is a high correlation between slimness/service and drugs usage, so we're mostly left with the chubby poor-service ones.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]As Bumholes knows very well. It works in reverse too! Innocent girls gets pregnant in the village same things happens the Thai man or usually boy takes off. The girl has the baby and leaves to work in P4P, the parents are left with the child to raise with the promise they will send money back. Basically the child leaves the child it is a sad revolving door! With very basic education the parents in their hearts know whats the new profession but the culture allows it to slide as long as the money comes in. Years down the road the child knows who is the real mother but in their hearts feel more attached to the grandparents than to the birth mother. ( Clarification not always the case ). There are some evil hearted grandparents that take advantage if the girl is successful and start sending money. They use the child to obtain more money each month using excuses that they are sick etc,,,etc,,,so they don't have to work! you get the point. And god help them or you if the grandparents found out that they latch on to a Farang!

This isn't always the case but I have been around Thai's enough now that I hear case after case after case. I wish I get some good news from time to time about Thai men but after years here still the same case stories. That is why you hear from P4P women speaks badly about Thai men and place us Farang as a better catch but if we Farangs remotely do the things a Thai man does they go crazy but for a useless Thai it's o.k. and acceptable? which enforces my thinking and opinion of a Thai man or boy?

LBM[/QUOTE]
It is quite natural for parents of any girl to see their daughter well settled with money and family. It is also natural for the girl to fool around in teenage years and try to find one or many boyfriends depending on how her sexuality is. Along the way an uncle or neighbour or local money man will hit the jackpot and get into her pants. Locals are not bothered with age or minor problem. Once the girl gets pregnant most boys leave them although some will marry and have a family life. Grand parents in asian culture are quite happy to raise the child. I have heard even from people who are married and working in BKK saying their children are at home in the provinces raised by grand parents.
As for P4P girls once the child is born she is literally pushed out of home to find a job to support her child if her parents are poor. Once out there is no ready employment. But many start out working in factories under dingy conditions for small money. Some not all get into the P4P trade. Once they see the good money it is very unlikely they will leave the business unless she finds a foreigner who marries her and takes her out of the country.
Western people compared to asian men have no qualms about marrying a girl irrespective of her past.

Was at dollhouse tonight. Bought a drink for a girl and right after that someone she knew walked in and she took off to see him.

When I was going to pay my bill I mentioned it to the waitress and asked if I needed to pay for the lady drink. Another girl corroborated, and the waitress said no problem and didn't make me pay.

Unexpected, but I was pleasantly surprised at how cool they were about it.

[QUOTE=ButtLover]Hi
Are the Beach-roads girls willing to do anal sex ?
Thanks
BL[/QUOTE]

Check out some of my posts especially the one with Kwang. Some will do it and some wont. I get lucky but asking a girl who I have been with before what girls will do it and which ones wont. Networking works in this instance.

This is not a sob story guys. But rather a cautionary tale.

I am out of the game. Finished. Mongering days are over. It’s one of those moments when you are enlightened about something.

As a I reported previously I had gotten involved with a girl working at a high end massage place in Pattaya. She is a nice women, is very honest, never ask for money, and always talks about our future. I have spent a great deal of time with her when she is not working(in fact much to her bosses patience she has taken a lot of time off since we met to spend time with me).
As I spent hour after hour with her I realized that this women and I had connected in a way I did not expect and frankly never experienced. I found myself sitting at her Bangkok Bank branch as she asked me how to invest the 100’s of thousands she had in the bank. We started talking about that she intended to stop working in January for good(she actually showed me a notarized agreement that she was buying some land in her hometown in January 2011 to build her house on). I started planning a future with her that included sharing our lives. Ensuring we would be happy here and overcome the pitfalls that most relationships in Thailand experience. Loving and sharing but keeping our assets separate.

Then it happened.

She went to work one day and for some reason I found myself on a baht bus there to the massage parlor she worked at. I don’t know why I did it. As I stood in front of it my throat closed and my stomach turned to knots. I knew that this women I cared so deeply for was inside doing BJ, FS, Doggy etc with countless men that day. And the day before. And for the previous 12 months. I thought of how many men she had slept with and what specifically done with them to accumulate the hundreds of thousands (if not more given she has two new motorbikes and is buying a new care next month) of baht she had accumulated. As time went one(I must have stood in front of this parlor for 30 minutes with this pit in my stomach) I saw countless man-Indians, overweight Germans, loud Americans and Japanese-all streaming in and out. And I saw this women I cared for being fucked by each and every one of them. She had explained to my previously that she was careful with her work-no anal, no kissing, no DATY and no BJ sans condom. Yet for some reason that did not soothe my pain at all.

I suddenly felt the cold chill of the human side of prostitution. The thrill of the 500 baht FS girl, the anal, facials all suddenly disgusted me. I was disgusted with myself. The women I cared so deeply for was a pawn to men just like me. When I had sex with her I was always careful to ask her if it was ok-after all she was having sex all day(the girls work 11 hour shifts at the high end parlors) and she could be sore etc.

I then saw myself getting on a baht bus, going to my hotel and leaving Pattaya. Something changed in me. And I don’t think I will ever return to Pattaya or speak to her again. Not because she is a bad person. But because it is impossible to love one of these women when they are doing what they do. Even after they stop (and I wholeheartedly believe she was going to stop in January as she said) to live with several more months of her being fucked to death by countless men is too much for me.

The moral of the story is to not fall in love with any of these girls. You will wind up broken hearted, disgusted with yourself and a changed man. If I ever patronize a prostitute again it will not be for a very very long time from now. For if I did I would see the face of the women I care for and I feel like I should not take advantage of these girls anymore. It’s a sad business and I no longer want to partake in it.

Signing off for good. Take care guys.

Showdown

[QUOTE=Showdown]This is not a sob story guys. But rather a cautionary tale.

Showdown[/QUOTE]

The problem here is dis-respect and ignorance...if you act on ignorance you make bad choices in life.

The whole problem with your assessment is you saw 100's of men Indians, Arabs, Japanese, and over weight Germans going after her. Now the ignorance is you don't know any of them...you assumed all men that she had are bad and low life's.

If only you knew any of the guys better...most of them probably will be better than us in behavior and respect to the girls. I have met iranians, Japanese, Americans, Thais, english, filipinos, chinese etc mongers and all guys were top notch guys who respect women...mongering is not a bad choice or hobby...

If you monger in Thailand and fall in love with a massage or bar girl..it is expected that she will do service with many men...what you missed is....you think all men are bad who go with bar girls....it is a wrong assumption.

Don't go back to stone age or Taliban mentality man...its her job to service men... and men that go to her are not BAD..they are like you and me..who can't take up with feminine women back home.

If you like her and know her job...whats wrong....clear your head...its all Ignorance...if i met a girl whom i liked...i won't care if she slept with the entire planet.....You are lucky...you are missing the whole beauty and love you are gonna have with her ..it will overcome all your Ignorance..good luck

[QUOTE=Showdown]This is not a sob story guys. But rather a cautionary tale.

I am out of the game. Finished. Mongering days are over. It’s one of those moments when you are enlightened about something.

As a I reported previously I had gotten involved with a girl working at a high end massage place in Pattaya. She is a nice women, is very honest, never ask for money, and always talks about our future. I have spent a great deal of time with her when she is not working(in fact much to her bosses patience she has taken a lot of time off since we met to spend time with me).
As I spent hour after hour with her I realized that this women and I had connected in a way I did not expect and frankly never experienced. I found myself sitting at her Bangkok Bank branch as she asked me how to invest the 100’s of thousands she had in the bank. We started talking about that she intended to stop working in January for good(she actually showed me a notarized agreement that she was buying some land in her hometown in January 2011 to build her house on). I started planning a future with her that included sharing our lives. Ensuring we would be happy here and overcome the pitfalls that most relationships in Thailand experience. Loving and sharing but keeping our assets separate.

Then it happened.

She went to work one day and for some reason I found myself on a baht bus there to the massage parlor she worked at. I don’t know why I did it. As I stood in front of it my throat closed and my stomach turned to knots. I knew that this women I cared so deeply for was inside doing BJ, FS, Doggy etc with countless men that day. And the day before. And for the previous 12 months. I thought of how many men she had slept with and what specifically done with them to accumulate the hundreds of thousands (if not more given she has two new motorbikes and is buying a new care next month) of baht she had accumulated. As time went one(I must have stood in front of this parlor for 30 minutes with this pit in my stomach) I saw countless man-Indians, overweight Germans, loud Americans and Japanese-all streaming in and out. And I saw this women I cared for being fucked by each and every one of them. She had explained to my previously that she was careful with her work-no anal, no kissing, no DATY and no BJ sans condom. Yet for some reason that did not soothe my pain at all.

I suddenly felt the cold chill of the human side of prostitution. The thrill of the 500 baht FS girl, the anal, facials all suddenly disgusted me. I was disgusted with myself. The women I cared so deeply for was a pawn to men just like me. When I had sex with her I was always careful to ask her if it was ok-after all she was having sex all day(the girls work 11 hour shifts at the high end parlors) and she could be sore etc.

I then saw myself getting on a baht bus, going to my hotel and leaving Pattaya. Something changed in me. And I don’t think I will ever return to Pattaya or speak to her again. Not because she is a bad person. But because it is impossible to love one of these women when they are doing what they do. Even after they stop (and I wholeheartedly believe she was going to stop in January as she said) to live with several more months of her being fucked to death by countless men is too much for me.

The moral of the story is to not fall in love with any of these girls. You will wind up broken hearted, disgusted with yourself and a changed man. If I ever patronize a prostitute again it will not be for a very very long time from now. For if I did I would see the face of the women I care for and I feel like I should not take advantage of these girls anymore. It’s a sad business and I no longer want to partake in it.

Signing off for good. Take care guys.

Showdown[/QUOTE]
I do not know why you worry about how many guys she slept with. It is her job. She survived and made money before you came along. She will survive long time after you are gone. Unless you meet and marry a virgin girl you are not sure how many guys any girl slept with or continue to sleep with even if they are not working girl. When you go out on a date in your hometown do you ask the girl how many men she slept with? Even if she slept with you and you like her are you going to analyze her sex life before you?
If you really and truly in love with girl knowing what she does for a living you should be thankfull if she loves you. Why didn't you give her money and take care of her so that she can quit her job and be with you. I do not think you are thinking of long time married relationship with her. You just want to use her services like everybody else and dump her. First of all you knew what she does and knowingly wanted a relationship with her. It is not like she conned you into thinking she is a different type of girl. Nobody knows what stupid empty promises you made to her. You could have easily ruined her working potential by your promises to take care of her.
You are god almighty to judge her with in your words she is sleeping with low life men. What makes you think you are better? You are also another monger. Maybe a lowlife to boot.

[QUOTE=Showdown]This is not a sob story guys. But rather a cautionary tale.[/QUOTE]It seems to me that you are throwing away the opportunity to be with a woman that loves you for YOU and NOT for your money.

You knew her job when you met her. You knew what she was doing each day she went to work. OK, you kept your head in the sand and kept yourself in denial. BUT, she is still the woman you loved so don't be silly with yourself.

Rationalise it logically. She fucks for a living and comes home to you. It is her job; she has no emotional attachment. Is that better or worse than the millions of woman round the world who go to swingers parties and get gangbanged and still have a happy loving marriage? For your lady to be in the open with you is a thousand times better than the millions of women who have affairs behind their partner's back.

Bear in mind many of the working girls in Pattaya and all around the world have a partner and family in their private life.

Suffer it for a short while and live a long happy life.

[QUOTE=Showdown]This is not a sob story guys. But rather a cautionary tale.

I am out of the game. Finished. Mongering days are over. It’s one of those moments when you are enlightened about something.[/QUOTE]I once read that a true measure of maturity in adults is accepting the concept of “grey” instead of trying to make everything in life black and white - which they rarely are – because it provokes thought and compromise, etc. I’m sure you know this at least sub-consciously or you would not have made it this far. I find that I get lazy and regress (as its much easier) and have to remind myself occasionally and always with big issues. Maybe time for you to re-think this one…or not. Only you know.

Good story though…

[QUOTE=Rjsss212]I once read that a true measure of maturity in adults is accepting the concept of “grey” instead of trying to make everything in life black and white - which they rarely are – because it provokes thought and compromise, etc. I’m sure you know this at least sub-consciously or you would not have made it this far. I find that I get lazy and regress (as its much easier) and have to remind myself occasionally and always with big issues. Maybe time for you to re-think this one…or not. Only you know.

Good story though…[/QUOTE]After getting many PM's and reading everyones responses I am surprised. Some of the responses make clear you did not read anything I wrote nor felt the emotion involved.

First to the poster who called me a low life-you are perhaps the worst of them all. My reaction as I stood at the MP was one of shock. I never claimed to not know what she did for a living-but rather when the true reality of it hit home it was a serious jolt. It is no different than if you witness a person do their job and they have a job that causes you distress. Though an extreme example the Tom Hanks movie where he played a gangster-his family knew what he did yet when his son actually saw him in action it really hit home. I care deeply for this women and the REALITY of it pained me deeply. So to the poster that labeled me as a lowlife-you need to return to school and learn reading comprehension.

Now my description of the various men coming in and out was a description of the scene. Their was no attack on any race, group or creed. Reading comprehension problems are abound on this forum. And this women made it clear from day one she was not interested in my or any other mans financial support. Period. And let's be frank-you would be hard pressed to find one percent of these girls that are proud of what they have to do for a living. They all keep it from their families though their families may have their suspicions. Just ask them. Of all of the responses none of them addressed the human element of this. And no man that claims to love a women can feel comfortable with other men screwing her. You can say it doesn't matter but sooner or later it will.

Their is a face on the other end of that cumshot and it certainly isn't ours. Listen I am not here to debate prostitution. Rather I wanted to share what can happen when you do fall for one of these girls and the TRUE REALITY of what they do for a living HITS HOME. I have gotten many PM's from forum members saying they have been in the same situation and it knocked the wind out of them. But the one message I received from all responses sans the member with reading comprehension issues was to not give up on it but to try to work through it. So after many PM's from folks that atleast showed understanding I reached out to her. She was relieved and said that SHE was worried that the REALITY of what her job was hit home-she said this. So I am trying to work my way through this. One member wrote I was giving up a fantastic women-and I think he is right. So I am trying to work my way through it. Thanks for the good advice.

Gentlemen

I know I should RTFF for this info and I am sure its there but would some senior Pattaya expert please advise where to go for a sure catch (to bring back to hotel) in the afternoons. I am aware of soi 6 but thats for on the spot relief I am looking for somewhere (other than beach road) where one can find a decent collection to pick from and head for the hotel for some afternoon action. Thanks in advance to whoever guides me.

DD

[QUOTE=GregLondon]1

Personally if you GF is genuinely up for it (and some will just talk about it as a fantasy but not be so keen in reality), i would go for it. I think it can potentially be alot of fun. Finding two Thai girls who are up for genuine lesbian action threesomes at a reasonable cost is not that easy so if you already have one girl it will be easier.

Provided your relationship is on firm ground i think a trip to pattaya runs far less risk than the girl in the office or through the internet back home scenario. If your girl is good looking and has a rapport because she speaks your language etc I don't think she will feel threatened by Thai working girls and you will have alot of fun reliving your experiences back at home. it would be a different matter if your girl was overw=eight, and simply not in the same league as the Thai girls.[/QUOTE]

This is my first serious post for some time. Those seniors among you will remember me from my Dubai forum days where I was a full time monger and regular contributor both in written and picture threads.

I have RTFF and quote Greglondon above as the series of reports give me some of the answers I am about to ask but not all. So before anyone starts flaming me for asking what might appear to be obvious questions please have a little respect for my history on this forum.

My situation is that I will be visiting Pattaya for the first time at xmas/New Year with Miss O my wife and resident TBR (Tall Blonde Russian). I will meet my good friend 50/50 there who has been giving me some useful advice on where to go and what to do ( I am discounting his views on ladyboys being able to serve two functions and satisfy both of us LOL as I am simply NOT interested in LBs) but I need a little more specific advice.

Miss O and I have been together for 7 years, we swing and she has been with me on numerous orgys and mongering 3somes in Dubai. (Wiked Rodger will testify to that!). She is bi but we have often been disappointed with so called bi swinger wives who actually prefer the idea of licking out a woman to the mechanics of doing it! As stated before she is a beautiful blonde, fit and in her very early 30’s with a open mind and fun attitude.

So my questions are specifically

Where is the best spot (if there is one) to pick up and bar fine girls prepared to do 3somes?

Has anyone got experience of the Rama Kien Hotel (recommended on SDC as a great swingers couples only hotel).

Can anyone recommend a good hotel on Koh Samet with internet access and more specifically will it be OK for new year? – looking at the web sites the place looks a little quiet for my tastes.

I would also be interested in picking up a Russian escort for some of the time – any suggestions as to where quality ones hang out – yes I am aware of cost (money isn’t really an issue) and attitude of some of the Russians but my Russian speaking babe can get over a lot of those issues!

Thanks in advance for your positive replies..

MK

[QUOTE=Dominos Dick]Gentlemen

I know I should RTFF for this info and I am sure its there but would some senior Pattaya expert please advise where to go for a sure catch (to bring back to hotel) in the afternoons. I am aware of soi 6 but thats for on the spot relief I am looking for somewhere (other than beach road) where one can find a decent collection to pick from and head for the hotel for some afternoon action. Thanks in advance to whoever guides me.

DD[/QUOTE]

I have several comments:

1. yes, you should read TFF as you already know, and if you are not now in Pattaya, there is no rush to get this info.

2. If you are in Pattaya, I am surprised you don't already know how to accomplish what you are asking about.

3. And I am serious here: If your hotel is in Pattaya, just walk outside and look around. There should be a decent collection everywhere. I have never gone more than 2 minutes without coming across a "decent" lady in the game.

[QUOTE=My Kapitan]This is my first serious post for some time. Those seniors among you will remember me from my Dubai forum days where I was a full time monger and regular contributor both in written and picture threads.

I have RTFF and quote Greglondon above as the series of reports give me some of the answers I am about to ask but not all. So before anyone starts flaming me for asking what might appear to be obvious questions please have a little respect for my history on this forum.

My situation is that I will be visiting Pattaya for the first time at xmas/New Year with Miss O my wife and resident TBR (Tall Blonde Russian). I will meet my good friend 50/50 there who has been giving me some useful advice on where to go and what to do ( I am discounting his views on ladyboys being able to serve two functions and satisfy both of us LOL as I am simply NOT interested in LBs) but I need a little more specific advice.

Miss O and I have been together for 7 years, we swing and she has been with me on numerous orgys and mongering 3somes in Dubai. (Wiked Rodger will testify to that!). She is bi but we have often been disappointed with so called bi swinger wives who actually prefer the idea of licking out a woman to the mechanics of doing it! As stated before she is a beautiful blonde, fit and in her very early 30’s with a open mind and fun attitude.

So my questions are specifically

Where is the best spot (if there is one) to pick up and bar fine girls prepared to do 3somes?

Has anyone got experience of the Rama Kien Hotel (recommended on SDC as a great swingers couples only hotel).

Can anyone recommend a good hotel on Koh Samet with internet access and more specifically will it be OK for new year? – looking at the web sites the place looks a little quiet for my tastes.

I would also be interested in picking up a Russian escort for some of the time – any suggestions as to where quality ones hang out – yes I am aware of cost (money isn’t really an issue) and attitude of some of the Russians but my Russian speaking babe can get over a lot of those issues!

Thanks in advance for your positive replies..

MK[/QUOTE]

I think maybe half the girls in Pattaya are prepared to do threesomes, however in most cases they are thinking of themselves and their friend both taking care of you with fairly minimal simulated lesbo action. The percentage who are genuinely into the bi stuff is much lower - maybe 5-10%, but with so many thousands of girls thats still alot of possibilities.

By and large the gogo girls are more "open minded " than the bar girls and the bar girls more open minded than the freelancers , though of course there are always exceptions to this rule. If money is not an issue, the best bet is probably to go to a few GoGos and ask the mamasan which girl is genuinely into girls. I would guess that just about every gogo will have one or two who are genuinely into it.

[QUOTE=Dominos Dick]Gentlemen

I know I should RTFF for this info and I am sure its there but would some senior Pattaya expert please advise where to go for a sure catch (to bring back to hotel) in the afternoons. I am aware of soi 6 but thats for on the spot relief I am looking for somewhere (other than beach road) where one can find a decent collection to pick from and head for the hotel for some afternoon action. Thanks in advance to whoever guides me.

DD[/QUOTE]
If you are prepared to excersise patience and put your percieved beliefs in SW`s aside you may just find what you are looking for. Think of the Beach road as the Coconut bar. There are many gems out there, night and day. Simply take their number and give them a call whenever required, as i do. I`m no expert on Pattaya, the girls in the clubs and bars are no cleaner than your average Beach road freelancer(my opinion)

Apart from this head to Walking st(night). Be prepared to pay more, many girls about circulating (hot-lapping), sit your ass on a barstool and watch the parade, from there you have a world of choice.

On making my way home to Soi 6 from Walking st, exhausted, i still think ahead and take numbers, each afternoon i simply get on the the blower, the girl is here at my hotel in minutes. It works, had some wonderful sessions, as i have just done. Thought i would not get it up after an exhausting day, but she was wonderful, i performed.