Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2113139]It seems Billboard has the best overall girls at Nana. IMO, it has the best overall average cuteness rating. It seems to be the most "fun" place. It seems to be the most packed with customers.

WTF! What happened to the nakedness at Nana. It was only topless at Billboards, Spankys, and couple of other bars. They (some of the girls) were nude previously.[/QUOTE]IMHO, Twister has more girls and more doable girls than those of Billboard. Unfortunately all the girls in Twister are in bikinis. At present time, there are no nude girls in any clubs of Nana plaza.

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2114594]IMHO, Twister has more girls and more doable girls than those of Billboard. Unfortunately all the girls in Twister are in bikinis. At present time, there are no nude girls in any clubs of Nana plaza.[/QUOTE]Spanky's? In August.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2113681]If you feel lonely, feel free to use the pic below. Its my gift to you.. - M[/QUOTE]How much did you pay the cam girl to do that?

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2113139]It seems Billboard has the best overall girls at Nana. IMO, it has the best overall average cuteness rating. It seems to be the most "fun" place. It seems to be the most packed with customers.
WTF! What happened to the nakedness at Nana. It was only topless at Billboards, Spankys, and couple of other bars. They (some of the girls) were nude previously.[/QUOTE]I share your opinion GB. I feel that the girls are having fun if that's a possibility working in a Go-Go bar. Especially the girls in the tub seem to enjoy themselves. The feeling I have from the carousel girls is not the same though. They seem to look much more static and don't really pay that much attention to them. Overall ambiance is just good I would say. Never have been scammed by the waitresses even though I have been hearing many bad stories about it. One night in BB the girls in the tub all in a sudden put on their bra for some reason for about 10 minutes or so. Not sure what it was all about.

Had number 8 as she gives a good show while she's on your lap. While asking for her rates she mentioned that she's only doing ST which was I believe 3500 Bath. Can't remember why she's not doing LT but she mentioned that if LT she would charge 7000 Bath which is slightly ridiculous. It even got more ridiculous when she mentioned that this would be for 5 hours only. Thanked her for the company and I left without her. My favorite (Bam) was not around.

I went to have a peek in Butterflies for the first time across BB. The place seemed to be huge and had also a tub of so on the left hand side with girls dancing topless. I think it was about 1130 pm when I entered and the girls were so so regarding looks. A bit of a strange bar to me with big podiums / platforms but not that much place to sit for such a big place. I can be wrong as I just sat in the couch which was very different for me but actually not bad. Still I don't think I will be going back soon.

Other places in NEP during my short stay in BKK were Bangkok Bunnies (A very few were topless but girls were even worse in look as in Butterflies), Lollipop (Can't recall, left after 10 seconds after checking out the girls) and I think I entered "Enter" next to BB which I can't even remember how the girls looked like. Just remember that I left faster than I entered which probably isn't a positive indicator.

Thanks for the tip UShobbyist. I'll have a look at Twisters in a few months or so. I think I already went into that place 6 months ago or longer. Can't remember how it was but worthwhile sticking my head into the joint.

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Now, it's time to put your money where your mouth is, for some members on here. SilverSurfer, Phazze93, and I have looked at the history of photos for this forum. We are very disappointed at the quality. Is that, what is considered pretty now days?. It might be rude to say "yuck," so I would just rather say. "those are not my type, but thanks for sharing. " So if ANYONE on this forum has ANYTHING worth while to share, please do. What I really mean is post photos of the "most beautiful, prettiest, or hot girls" that you don't mind sharing for others to fuck and that way they can make some money. This way, if any of us members like the way they look. We can trade you a girl for a girl, after screening. I am willing to share the contact information with some of my girls, for yours if I feel that they are my type of hotness. I was able to hook SilverSurfer up with a girl after screening, but on that day, she started her period, and he wasn't adventurous to earn his "red wings. " Also, don't try to give me hamburger meat for filet mignon, so please post in public what you have to offer. If there isn't any replies, then for sure I know that most shit talkers have been talking out of their asses on here. To that I say "It's time to IGNORE. " To the rest of those whose goal is to fuck HOT GiRLs, let's keep playing and keep sharing intel. Here are my 3 real girls to put up. All 3 have breast implants and are slim by the way.[/QUOTE]Sorry to be replying so late. I have been busy. The girl in 2nd last picture is quite stunning to me, so I would be prepared to pay a high price to try her. She distracts me from even considering the others. Just my taste.

You have to take into account that other guys are not so looks oriented, so while Snow White Emmy is far behind in looks, she performs quite well. Still never was good enough looking to keep pulling me back.

It's just different guys have different priorities. I would just like a good enthusiastic performance from a stunner.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2114674]The girl in 2nd last picture is quite stunning to me, so I would be prepared to pay a high price to try her. She distracts me from even considering the others. Just my taste.[/QUOTE]That's the same girl as in the last picture. Each of those girls had 2 photos posted back to back in that post.

[QUOTE=Hiete;2114669]I share your opinion GB. I feel that the girls are having fun if that's a possibility working in a Go-Go bar. Especially the girls in the tub seem to enjoy themselves. The feeling I have from the carousel girls is not the same though. They seem to look much more static and don't really pay that much attention to them. Overall ambiance is just good I would say. Never have been scammed by the waitresses even though I have been hearing many bad stories about it. One night in BB the girls in the tub all in a sudden put on their bra for some reason for about 10 minutes or so. Not sure what it was all about.

Had number 8 as she gives a good show while she's on your lap. While asking for her rates she mentioned that she's only doing ST which was I believe 3500 Bath. Can't remember why she's not doing LT but she mentioned that if LT she would charge 7000 Bath which is slightly ridiculous. It even got more ridiculous when she mentioned that this would be for 5 hours only. Thanked her for the company and I left without her. My favorite (Bam) was not around.

I went to have a peek in Butterflies for the first time across BB. The place seemed to be huge and had also a tub of so on the left hand side with girls dancing topless. I think it was about 1130 pm when I entered and the girls were so so regarding looks. A bit of a strange bar to me with big podiums / platforms but not that much place to sit for such a big place. I can be wrong as I just sat in the couch which was very different for me but actually not bad. Still I don't think I will be going back soon..[/QUOTE]Been to Thailand more than 10 times. I will no longer go there and expect the business there will dry up soon if it hasn't already. The prices are so high it is not worth going anymore.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2114618]Spanky's? In August.[/QUOTE]Spanky's does not have nude girls right now. If you get in Spanky's after 9 PM, you always see a topless girl in the shower. She might be nude in August but she is just topless right now.

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2114958]Spanky's does not have nude girls right now. If you get in Spanky's after 9 PM, you always see a topless girl in the shower. She might be nude in August but she is just topless right now.[/QUOTE]That is sad? I made a visit to Bangkok on 15th, of August. Since the next day I had a appointment at the you. S Embassy. I checked out around 10 Go Go, the two best places with lots of nudity was Crazy House and Spanky's, that evening at Spanky's the girls were all packed nude on stage. My next visit is beginning of the year hope that changes?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2114674]Sorry to be replying so late. I have been busy. The girl in 2nd last picture is quite stunning to me, so I would be prepared to pay a high price to try her. She distracts me from even considering the others. Just my taste.

You have to take into account that other guys are not so looks oriented, so while Snow White Emmy is far behind in looks, she performs quite well. Still never was good enough looking to keep pulling me back.

It's just different guys have different priorities. I would just like a good enthusiastic performance from a stunner.[/QUOTE]Please don't apologise. Everyone has been really pleased of the rest.

As I had an early appointment the next day I called it a day after another round of NEP. On my way back to Mermaid Hotel I figured out that after all that drinking I seriously need to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and fast! I passed Thermae and thought why not having a leak there. I never went into this place before so I was curious how the place looked like. Went inside, asked for a drink and looked over the whole place. Now I have never experienced such a place before. Even though it was about 1. 15 am the place was packed with women everywhere. Having this said though I had the impression that this is more of a place for the Asian punters. The western amongst us were outnumbered to say the least. I also thought that these women there were more into Asian customers as not many of them were looking at me interested when I passed them.

While I was finishing my drink there was one girl I laid my eyes on and she looked interested in me. She was there with a GF of hers who was talking to a customer. When I walked over her friend left so I had her for myself. Her name was Bam. To keep it short we agreed on 2500 k ST. Once arrived in my room we went straight to action. The surprise was that she was a multiple squirter. Fun at the start but it was messy after the whole show came to an end.

Downside was that she looked better with clothes on than without. She was tiny and skinny which is one of the body types that I like but she had quite a lot of stretch marks around her waist. Luckily the room I have in Mermaid has a blue T5 light right behind the back of the bed which gives a nice ambience. Usually I put some more light on but with her I kept it with the blue light only. Tits were so so. Another downside was that she was a social smoker so unfortunately I limited the DFK.

All in all I had a good session with her. Multiple positions, DATY, 69, rimming, BBBJCIM good performer and never complained. I won't repeat though due to the stretchmarks and a bit of saggy tits and als the reason that I won't be returning to Thermae. Good to have experienced Thermae though. For the newcomers here it's good to know that you don't have to pay a BF. San Mig light cost I believe 120 bath.

A couple of years ago I had this great experience:

Late in the evening after a visit to Mixx I went back to soi4. Walking down the soi I see this young SW girl with a bit of a tummy. It turned out to be a beautiful young pregnant lady who apparently was looking for company. I kindly invited her to join me back to my hotel.

First we had a shower where she performed a great BBBJ. Continuing to the bed where we had a nice session with BBBJ CFJ and CIM. I was even abe to make har lactate a little bit. Seeing that milk dripping was amazing. The whole thing was a great turn on for me.

It was a very special night.

Sunday- Spent the day sightseeing in Ayuthaya. Then first time visit to Soi Cowboy. Some good vibes, I like the more nudity at Baccara and CH. Saw a few that interested me but seemed to miss my opportunity as they ended up with others. Checked out Thermae for the first time. Stepped down and was directed by the guy to turn left and buy a drink. Very packed. Mostly Asian men with lots and lots of ladies to choose from. Some lookers here and there. I chose Cake- medium tall, from Isan, 24, dark and curvy. I watched her for 10 min from across the room. She seemed meek and did not really make eye contact with many men. She had an unusual East Indian mixed look. Agreed on 2500 baht for 1 hour (she did not do more). Walked to my hotel. Showered separately. Nice body- no surprises except she had a full Bush. Couldn't get myself to DATY even though I love to. She wanted only CBJ which was disappointing. She said she had a cut under her lips. Maybe an excuse. Cover on, lots of positions. Loved her body but I just couldn't finish. Just not enough chemistry or my full day bike ride took too much out of me. 5 min remain and I called it quits. Paid, small tip and she left herself from hotel. Too late to try something else and I went to sleep.

Constitution Day -Monday. Spent the day sight seeing the Grand Palace and what's. Met an American chick just started teaching English here. Went to see a Muy Thai fight with her. Would have enjoyed some evening fun with her but didn't happen. Went back to Baccara and found the girl I was eyeing the night before. Eve was no. 25,26 year old From just north of Bangkok. Solid big silicon tits but she had the most beautiful face. She was a hot version Lisa Ling from American TV. BF 600 baht plus the 3 drinks and tip. Agreed short time was 3000 baht. Pricey I thought. Sorry guys. Taxi back to my hotel (the guys outside Soi Cowboy wanted double price so she and I just walked across the street). Once in she said shower together. Great I thought. She had a nice athletic body. She did Muy Thai for fitness until a motorcycle accident. Her English was practically non existent. Anyway DATY, BBBJ, cover on and the pounding started. Hardly any kissing. Just pecks. She's also ticklish. I can last a while, unfortunately after 20 min she looked like she was in pain. Not the good like like. Pound me baby- but the OMG when you haven't cum yet?! Long story short, I had to let her go even though I paid her the full amount. She seemed sad and very apologetic. No real chemistry and the language barrier was too great. She been at this for 5 months and just was not experienced enough to keep me going. Got tired of trying to chat with her so walked her downstairs. She waved at me when she left, no hugs and kisses. Lame.

Yep, a big down side to Thermae is not knowing what is under those clothes.

A couple of summers ago, my buddy Banana Boi hooked me up with a friend of one of his Thermae regulars. This girl is a knockout with her clothes on and usually only goes with Asians. The Japanese guys snap her up minutes after the place opens.

Unfortunately the poor little thing has some of the worst baby damage I have ever seen. As pretty as her face is it did not make we want to repeat.

I had a weird experience last night at Straps go-go bar. As you walk into the Nana entertainment complex you turn right and go up the stairs and it's on the second floor in a small corner. When I first went in the girls look very attractive, in fact too attractive. I asked the waitress where they ladyboys and she said no.

These girls didn't act like girls they act too aggressive and their movements were trying to imitate girls. So I asked another lady working as a waitress where they ladyboys and she said no. I saw one dancer I like so I had her come over and sit down for a lady's drink. As I start talking to her I realize that this was not a girl. She was very aggressive and her voice was a little bit heavy. She was very aggressive about selling me her services for 3500 Baht upstairs. Which is obviously too much plus the bar fine of 700 baht. As I talked to her she told me she had her ding dong chopped off. In fact, all 15 of the ladies in their dancing were actually lady boys with their [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord133][CodeWord133][/url] chopped off. It was a weird feeling being a bar and realize that all the guys had their ding dongs chopped off and replaced with a hole.

To make matters worse the girls / guys were very aggressive. After the girl left after she drank her ladies drink very quickly. The waitress wanted me to buy another drink and was very aggressive. A guy from Great Britain sat next to me and was asking me where these ladies or boys. I told him that there are ladyboys with the peepees chopped off. About that time the waitress came over and asked me to leave the bar and I couldn't talk to other customers.

The guy from Great Britain looked at me surprised. I asked the waitress again what did she say and she told me that I had bought only one drink and one ladies drink and if I wanted to stay I had to buy more drinks. This is a weird place and I advised not to visit it at all. After that incident I left the bar and I will never go back there again. Many bars in Bangkok come and go, and I think this particular bar name Straps won't last very long at Nana. The fact that they pretend they have ladies which are actually ladyboys clearly is a scam.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;2115983]The fact that they pretend they have ladies which are actually ladyboys clearly is a scam.[/QUOTE]Straps is well know for be a only post-op ladyboys agogo. Just google it and is well reported on various website.

[QUOTE=OlgaVaz;2115925]Constitution Day -Monday. Spent the day sight seeing the Grand Palace and what's. Met an American chick just started teaching English here. Went to see a Muy Thai fight with her. Would have enjoyed some evening fun with her but didn't happen. Went back to Baccara and found the girl I was eyeing the night before. Eve was no. 25,26 year old From just north of Bangkok. Solid big silicon tits but she had the most beautiful face. She was a hot version Lisa Ling from American TV. BF 600 baht plus the 3 drinks and tip. Agreed short time was 3000 baht. Pricey I thought. Sorry guys. Taxi back to my hotel (the guys outside Soi Cowboy wanted double price so she and I just walked across the street). Once in she said shower together. Great I thought. She had a nice athletic body. She did Muy Thai for fitness until a motorcycle accident. Her English was practically non existent. Anyway DATY, BBBJ, cover on and the pounding started. Hardly any kissing. Just pecks. She's also ticklish. I can last a while, unfortunately after 20 min she looked like she was in pain. Not the good like like. Pound me baby- but the OMG when you haven't cum yet?! Long story short, I had to let her go even though I paid her the full amount. She seemed sad and very apologetic. No real chemistry and the language barrier was too great. She been at this for 5 months and just was not experienced enough to keep me going. Got tired of trying to chat with her so walked her downstairs. She waved at me when she left, no hugs and kisses. Lame.[/QUOTE]Wow! I'd have been furious. Amazingly unprofessional of her. I'm sure she was laughing all the way home thinking about how much money she made for 20 min of work. Guys, we just can't let any of the gals get away with this crap. I certainly don't. I would never pay the full amount for a session like that.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2116101]Wow! I'd have been furious. Amazingly unprofessional of her. I'm sure she was laughing all the way home thinking about how much money she made for 20 min of work. Guys, we just can't let any of the gals get away with this crap. I certainly don't. I would never pay the full amount for a session like that.[/QUOTE]Just don't go to Baccara. Those Baccara girls are used to Japanese guys cumming in a couple of minutes. I think that's pretty standard service at Baccara. If you want better service, go to Long Gun or Tilac bar. Those girls can fuck. If you want a younger white skinned chick with service like the guy mentioned, Baccara is the better option.

For those of you that don't like the surprise stretch marked and pruned titted look and are hunting in FL places like Thermae, just get over yourselves and ask the gals straight out. They'll tell you. They certainly don't want to get into a situation with a dude who is really turned off by "mommy body. ".

The older I get the more sensitive I am to it. I've even had to choose a different gal at oilies on occasion when I get upstairs and see bad damage. Now I always ask the mamasans who has produced. Most will tell me and can even elaborate on the extent of the marks. If it is not too bad and I know from reports that the gal is a performer; I might give it a go. Always like two pops at an oily. That second pop can be difficult even if the damage is minimal. Much easier with a pristine stomach, breasts, and genital region. And don't get me started on 'roids. The anal integrity must be intact as well. A hemi can sure be a turn off.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2116101]Wow! I'd have been furious. Amazingly unprofessional of her. I'm sure she was laughing all the way home thinking about how much money she made for 20 min of work. Guys, we just can't let any of the gals get away with this crap. I certainly don't. I would never pay the full amount for a session like that.[/QUOTE]Agree! She could have at least finish him with a BBBJ-CIM. 3000 + 600 + drinks and tip for a quick suck and fuck, I would not have been happy at all. Sure she did not deserve the full amount.

In many cases it's just an excuse to say "oh you are too big, I'm hurt" or act as if they were sore only for cut the session early.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2116108]And don't get me started on 'roids. The anal integrity must be intact as well. A hemi can sure be a turn off.[/QUOTE]Agreed. That's a huge turnoff. However, although you can ask a girl if she has stretch marks on her stomach and she can tell you, I doubt you can ask them if they have a nice looking bung hole because I doubt they will know.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2116101]Wow! I'd have been furious. Amazingly unprofessional of her. I'm sure she was laughing all the way home thinking about how much money she made for 20 min of work. Guys, we just can't let any of the gals get away with this crap. I certainly don't. I would never pay the full amount for a session like that.[/QUOTE]Fully agree. Based on that report I would have walked her out the door of the hotel (my apartment, since I live here), smiled broadly and handed her a very generous 200 baht for taxi fare, maybe as much as 500 baht if the unfinished fucking was at least pleasant. And have done it that way a few times. It does not sound as though she earned or deserved one baht more than that.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2116211]Fully agree. Based on that report I would have walked her out the door of the hotel (my apartment, since I live here), smiled broadly and handed her a very generous 200 baht for taxi fare, maybe as much as 500 baht if the unfinished fucking was at least pleasant. And have done it that way a few times. It does not sound as though she earned or deserved one baht more than that.[/QUOTE]Which is exactly what I have done (amount included) with gals. And I do it with a smile on my face without any show of temper. I just tell them that I don't want them to do anything that they are uncomfortable with but I expect them to perform like the do with a boyfriend or like in a "sex movie. " Of course it is easier to explain this in Thai, which I do. If more punters stood their ground and refused to pay full price for poor service or excuses, we'd all be having a better time. Grow up guys; you're the customer. You certainly would not settle for this crap with any other service that you purchase. P4 P is no different.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2116211]Fully agree. Based on that report I would have walked her out the door of the hotel (my apartment, since I live here), smiled broadly and handed her a very generous 200 baht for taxi fare, maybe as much as 500 baht if the unfinished fucking was at least pleasant. And have done it that way a few times. It does not sound as though she earned or deserved one baht more than that.[/QUOTE]I don't know. When I posted a while ago about having almost the same exact experience except that I gave the girl less than we had negotiated for not finishing the job, Sygyies seemed to think that I would never be allowed in the bar again after that.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2116108] I've even had to choose a different gal at oilies on occasion when I get upstairs and see bad damage. Now I always ask the mamasans who has produced. Most will tell me and can even elaborate on the extent of the marks. .[/QUOTE]I always wondered if I was allowed to choose a different girl at a Pattaya soapie if she stripped and I saw baby damage. Unlike a mamasan at a BKK oily, I don't think those moronic guys at Pattaya soapies would know shit on the girl's bodies in their soapies. That's why I prefer my gogo girls. I've seen and felt their entire bodies before I ever barfine them.

So were you able to walk in and barfine from the same place again?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2116240]I don't know. When I posted a while ago about having almost the same exact experience except that I gave the girl less than we had negotiated for not finishing the job, Sygyies seemed to think that I would never be allowed in the bar again after that.[/QUOTE]

I recently spent 3 months in Johor Malaysia. The number of Thai hookers there are enormous! No matter what major city I went to the in Malaysia, the escort services were full of Thai hookers. And the prices are cheaper than Bangkok! For example, and Johor Malaysia, across from Singapore, Thai hookers go for about $40 for 45 minutes. In Singapore, the price is little bit higher. The point is why are so many Thai hookers leaving Thailand and going to other countries. You would think that they would be enough work for them in Thailand. I met this 20 year old hot sexy Thai girl from an escort service. The escort services in Malaysia are set up to where you go to hotels and they have 15 to 20 women available for you to select from.

This particular Thai girl was very sexy and I visited her at least three times. I asked her, why would she come to Malaysia to work. She said she could make more money in Malaysia than Thailand. She said that in Thailand there are too many girls and not enough customers. This is really mind-boggling when you realize it's actually true. When you go to Soi 6 in Pattaya, you see hundreds of bar girls standing around waiting for customers, trying to grab you as you walk by. They charge about a thousand Baht + 300 for the room. That's still really cheap by International standards. And these girls are not ugly or old. They're actually very attractive and many of them very young. Same as for Bangkok, you see so many girls as Freelancers. You see so many girls in clubs. You see tons of girls in massage parlors. The reality is there is much more Supply than demand in Thailand for sexual services. It's amazing, to realize this is truly a man's heaven!

I am always fascinated and intrigued by the fact that there are many freelance Thai girls in Thailand that are in their 30s 40s 50s and 60s. This is someone's mother or grandmother, but she is standing on the street waiting for a customer. Occasionally, I have seen a MILF that looks sexy in amateur way. Her clothes might be regular, her shoes not fancy but she seems like she would be a teacher or a office worker at a government agency.

When I came back to Bangkok a couple weeks ago, I met this older Thai lady near Nana. She claims that she was visiting a hotel nearby for a conference sponsored by her job. And she was just walking around Nana to see what it look like. She was 46, but she still look somewhat nice. And she had a nice soft round ass and white skin. I offered that she and I go to a short time hotel nearby and she pretended as if she didn't want to go but she was going to give in. I asked her how much and she said 1000 baht. To make a long story short, when we get to the room and she took off her clothes, she had one of the best looking breast I've seen in a long time big, soft, round with pointy nipples. And she look very sexy naked! She gave me a great BbbJ and her cherry was small, nice and wet. I could tell she did not do the hooker thing on a regular basis. It's wild to imagine that you can walk around Bangkok and pick up a working lady from the office for about a thousand baht. There is truly more hookers than cutomers in Thailand, especially when you factor in the part time freelance hookers that do it occasionally, or maybe once a week, to pick up extra cash to spend on their selves at the mall.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2116238]Which is exactly what I have done (amount included) with gals. And I do it with a smile on my face without any show of temper. I just tell them that I don't want them to do anything that they are uncomfortable with but I expect them to perform like the do with a boyfriend or like in a "sex movie. " Of course it is easier to explain this in Thai, which I do. If more punters stood their ground and refused to pay full price for poor service or excuses, we'd all be having a better time. Grow up guys; you're the customer. You certainly would not settle for this crap with any other service that you purchase. P4 P is no different.[/QUOTE]Yes, for sure I was a total amateur tourist about it. I thought about ditching her with less than agreed since it could just be an act, but hell, not sure if the club or boyfriend had a follow up visit since she knows where I am staying. It's really not enough money for me to worry about but I know I spoiled it for you locals. Anyway, I'm less about the "finish" than the 20 minutes of fucking I got after the shower with a hot Thai.

So on my first visit to Bangkok, I had a taste of all the ways to fuck here.

1. Oillie at Tulip. Anne.

2. Freelancer from Termae. Cake.

3. Bar Fine from Baccara. Eve.

4. Soapie from Lords. Nac.

5. BJ Bar Lo-itas- Mochi. I stopped by my last night as I had some bahts left and a few hours before my flight. I walked in past the girls sitting outside into the actual bar. Met 2 guys and spent about half hour discussing Bitcoin. I decided I was out of my league in the conversation and went out to KC the one with the largest smile at me. Mochi who's name was also Bion Se ("Beyonce") was probably the youngest at 22 year old With some baby fat, but cute. Upstairs was a bunch of couches with curtains around each. Got comfortable, she took her top off, baby wipe, and action started. Pretty good for a while but I knew I need more to pop since I had popped earlier at Lords. Changed to FS pricing (1200) and gave it go. 15 min later I got tired and gave up. Paid, tipped, kiss and headed out.

My final thoughts. Not as much hassle with Ladyboys as I had imagined at both Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza. I like the more nude options in Soi Cowboy but hot girls at both locations. I have had better and worse service in the USA and German FKKs but YMMV. Great experience and a great deal of appreciation for contributors in this forum. Not sure I would visit again since I prefer thicker Latina types or Russian model types over Asians. What's great is the people are sweet, friendly, helpful. The place is cheap as hell.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2116240]I don't know. When I posted a while ago about having almost the same exact experience except that I gave the girl less than we had negotiated for not finishing the job, Sygyies seemed to think that I would never be allowed in the bar again after that.[/QUOTE]I have not encountered that problem anywhere I have had a problem girl and booted her out with nothing more than generous taxi fare, say 200-500 baht.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;2116300]I recently spent 3 months in Johor Malaysia. The number of Thai hookers there are enormous! No matter what major city I went to the in Malaysia, the escort services were full of Thai hookers. And the prices are cheaper than Bangkok! For example, and Johor Malaysia, across from Singapore, Thai hookers go for about $40 for 45 minutes. In Singapore, the price is little bit higher. The point is why are so many Thai hookers leaving Thailand and going to other countries. You would think that they would be enough work for them in Thailand. I met this 20 year old hot sexy Thai girl from an escort service. The escort services in Malaysia are set up to where you go to hotels and they have 15 to 20 women available for you to select from.

This particular Thai girl was very sexy and I visited her at least three times. I asked her, why would she come to Malaysia to work. She said she could make more money in Malaysia than Thailand. She said that in Thailand there are too many girls and not enough customers..[/QUOTE]FYI. Post ops Thai transexuals often work other countries. All over Hong Kong for sure.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;2116300]I recently spent 3 months in Johor Malaysia. The number of Thai hookers there are enormous! No matter what major city I went to the in Malaysia, the escort services were full of Thai hookers. And the prices are cheaper than Bangkok! For example, and Johor Malaysia, across from Singapore, Thai hookers go for about $40 for 45 minutes. In Singapore, the price is little bit higher. [/QUOTE]In the red light district of Singapore, the price is 80 SGD (about 50 USD) for 15 minutes. I've not seen them available for 45 minutes (unless pay 3 times). And those girls have sex with 20 guys a day. If you take a girl from Orchard towers, it's 200 SGD for a short time. I don't think they are any cheaper than in Thailand.

In Jakarta, a Thai girl costs about $200 usd for one hour.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;2116300]I recently spent 3 months in Johor Malaysia. The number of Thai hookers there are enormous! No matter what major city I went to the in Malaysia, the escort services were full of Thai hookers. And the prices are cheaper than Bangkok! For example, and Johor Malaysia, across from Singapore, Thai hookers go for about $40 for 45 minutes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2116399]In the red light district of Singapore, the price is 80 SGD (about 50 USD) for 15 minutes. I've not seen them available for 45 minutes (unless pay 3 times). And those girls have sex with 20 guys a day. If you take a girl from Orchard towers, it's 200 SGD for a short time. I don't think they are any cheaper than in Thailand.
In Jakarta, a Thai girl costs about $200 usd for one hour.[/QUOTE]In Kuala Lumpur and surroundings you can fuck thai girls for 160 - 238 MYR (1275 - 1900 baht). Last June in a walk-in hotel in Kota Damansara I fucked a young 22 yo TG (without baby) for 200 MYR (1595 baht) for 45 min. She claimed that she worked in a gogo (Glass House I think) in Pattaya and move to KL due to low season. So she was cheaper in KL.

In hotel Soleil I fucked a TG for 228 MYR (1818 baht) - 45 min, and she claimed that she worked in a big massage parlour on Ratchadpisek Road.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2116405]Last June in a walk-in hotel in Kota Damansara I fucked a young 22 yo TG (without baby) for 200 MYR (1595 baht) for 45 min. [/QUOTE]I had the hottest girl I've ever had in my life in a walk in hotel in KL. Vietnamese girl about 18 years old. What a firm and young body that girl had.

That being said, I absolutely hated the seediness of the situation. Those walk in hotels are run by dudes who are pure evil. I won't do it again. It's the only time I ever felt like it was a true sex slave type of environment.

I am planning to visit a buddy of mine who lives part-time (9 months a year) in near Phuket Town. I'll have a layover of a few days in BKK before I travel to Phuket.

I've been seeing adverts on Craigslist and Backpage and I'm wondering if any of these are anything more than just scams. I've RTTF and can't find much.

Any assistance in advance would be helpful.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2116392]FYI. Post ops Thai transexuals often work other countries. All over Hong Kong for sure.[/QUOTE]A lady friend of mine in Beijing recently told me there are four Thai post-op transsexuals working the Mix Bar in Beijing along with two Chinese post-op transsexuals. Apparently the Chinese men love them because they are tall and slim.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2116814]I am planning to visit a buddy of mine who lives part-time (9 months a year) in near Phuket Town. I'll have a layover of a few days in BKK before I travel to Phuket.

I've been seeing adverts on Craigslist and Backpage and I'm wondering if any of these are anything more than just scams. I've RTTF and can't find much.

Any assistance in advance would be helpful.[/QUOTE]Try Badoo, Tagged and Thai Friendly. I have my maiden trip to Thailand in about 6 weeks and I have found (I hope) some gems. I have successfully used Badoo and Tagged in Indonesia.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2116246]So were you able to walk in and barfine from the same place again?[/QUOTE]Yes, no problems at all.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2116814]I am planning to visit a buddy of mine who lives part-time (9 months a year) in near Phuket Town. I'll have a layover of a few days in BKK before I travel to Phuket.

I've been seeing adverts on Craigslist and Backpage and I'm wondering if any of these are anything more than just scams. I've RTTF and can't find much.

Any assistance in advance would be helpful.[/QUOTE]If you read this forum just a little bit, you will quickly find out that you don't need Craigslist or Backpage in Bangkok. There are just so many better options. If you are not up to doing RTFF, maybe you should think of asking someone to show you around, for a fee. I am sure your buddy from Phuket would do it for free.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2116814] I've been seeing adverts on Craigslist and Backpage and I'm wondering if any of these are anything more than just scams. I've RTTF and can't find much. [/QUOTE]I've used Tinder before to set up a few meetings, both P4 P and freebies, but I'm in Bangkok a lot so I can put some effort into the freebies. If you are only there for a few days then don't waste your time with these sites, there are girls everywhere in Bangkok. Just hit the bars in Nana and Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2116814]I've been seeing adverts on Craigslist and Backpage and I'm wondering if any of these are anything more than just scams. I've RTTF and can't find much.[/QUOTE]Not sure about Phuket, but in Bangkok I tried a few of the Craigslist listings, and they weren't scams. How could they scam you anyway, unless you do something colossally stupid like paying upfront or meeting at your own home? Not a particularly good value either. I also hate how they usually don't put Line ID in there, so it's a delayed 2 step process just to contact them.

Fanfinfin has much better selection, Line IDs for direct contact, asking prices are about half of Craigslist, but hard to arrange without speaking Thai (and even then, some won't go with Farang).

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2116814]I am planning to visit a buddy of mine who lives part-time (9 months a year) in near Phuket Town. I'll have a layover of a few days in BKK before I travel to Phuket.

I've been seeing adverts on Craigslist and Backpage and I'm wondering if any of these are anything more than just scams. I've RTTF and can't find much.

Any assistance in advance would be helpful.[/QUOTE]The biggest issues I've had is girls being bigger than pics. Tinder and Thaifriendly are probably the best options.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2116814]I am planning to visit a buddy of mine who lives part-time (9 months a year) in near Phuket Town. I'll have a layover of a few days in BKK before I travel to Phuket.

I've been seeing adverts on Craigslist and Backpage and I'm wondering if any of these are anything more than just scams. I've RTTF and can't find much.

Any assistance in advance would be helpful.[/QUOTE]Once you download WeChat, click on Discover, then People Nearby. It will populate with more than you can imagine. Just be sure to ask if they are LB's. And negotiate the price, they won't get offended.

RL.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2117113]Not sure about Phuket, but in Bangkok I tried a few of the Craigslist listings, and they weren't scams. How could they scam you anyway, unless you do something colossally stupid like paying upfront or meeting at your own home? Not a particularly good value either. I also hate how they usually don't put Line ID in there, so it's a delayed 2 step process just to contact them.
[/QUOTE]I tried to use Craiglist in Pattaya and is a waste of time in my opinion, maybe in BKK is different and more advantageous. In Pattaya many girls don't answer when you ask for their Line ID, some girls just send me a commercial ID start with " at " and I'm not sure what is it, sometimes different ads claim to be a different girls but have the same Line ID. Also many girls try to charge very high price for Pattaya market, funny that the same girls work in beach road or beer bar and you can have them for a third of the price if you avoid CL. In my experience Thaifriendly is better and cheaper.

In a girl infested area such as BKK and Pattaya for sure you won't be needing Craig's list or any other dating site to catch up with ladies. There's no better way than inspecting and having a live chat while grabbing a beer, IMHO if you are on a short visit let's say 2/3 weeks the live opportunities are never-ending.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2117157]I tried to use Craiglist in Pattaya and is a waste of time in my opinion, maybe in BKK is different and more advantageous. In Pattaya many girls don't answer when you ask for their Line ID, some girls just send me a commercial ID start with " at " and I'm not sure what is it, sometimes different ads claim to be a different girls but have the same Line ID. Also many girls try to charge very high price for Pattaya market, funny that the same girls work in beach road or beer bar and you can have them for a third of the price if you avoid CL. In my experience Thaifriendly is better and cheaper.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2117027]Yes, no problems at all.[/QUOTE]Sounds good, that's good business sense too. If they shaft a few regulars then word spreads fast.

Hello to everyone.

The viking has landed in LOS after a two day ordeal to get here.

After some well-needed sleep I ventured out earlier tonight and made my way back to Kasalong. I have been a regular there ever since they opened. But tonite was the just the best. I went with TIK, a 30-something very well-preserved and beautiful lady who provided the best ever BJ CIM. She took me deep, and I mean real deep, and kept on sucking until I was completely drained. Unlike many other providers who stop sucking when you climax and then spit, she just kept on sucking until I was totally spent. The way I like it. Next time I intend to take here upstairs for some fun and games in a private room. Also, she completely disrobed for me without me asking and has a nice body indeed. I hate haggling with them for tips for them to even unbutton their blouse.

I also will call on Snow white and Emmy. Any more info greatly appreciated.

The FL's outside Nana also looked good but maybe later.

Cheers.

P.S. If you appreciate my reports please acknowledge. I need some encouragement (and of course personal impressions of your mongering.

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;2117651]Hello to everyone.

The FL's outside Nana also looked good but maybe later.

P.S. If you appreciate my reports please acknowledge. I need some encouragement (and of course personal impressions of your mongering.[/QUOTE]Yes, by all means continue. We could use a fresh perspective. I like the fact that you mentioned street walkers and didn't go straight to the Go-gos. A lot of FR only focus in on the action of the Go-gos. From what I can tell, that's a very small part of the whole mongering scene in Thailand. It just happens to be the most obvious. I was underwhelmed with it all. Nana, Soi Cowboy -during my only visit there. I was more intrigued by the other options, particularly the street meat. Check that out for us!

If anybody here have had recent action with a pregnant or a breast feeding FL og bargirl or even from a massage shop or soapie, kindly reply with details.

I am looking but can't seem to find any.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Bugzy69;2117199]In a girl infested area such as BKK and Pattaya for sure you won't be needing Craig's list or any other dating site to catch up with ladies. There's no better way than inspecting and having a live chat while grabbing a beer, IMHO if you are on a short visit let's say 2/3 weeks the live opportunities are never-ending.[/QUOTE]Your somewhat wrong. You can meet any lady on any dating site without committing to their service. If you like what you see and you both agree on the price and service then off to the playpen. These sites are alternatives to standing by the road. The quality looks better also and from my experience the service was good. I hate to pay the price in a Go go Bar. Yes you can see the merchandise, but you can also see it with a dating site lady.

Also girl infested does not mean quality infested. Maybe 2 or 3 a day are quality all the rest are mediocre.

RL.

Stayed 5 nights in what is probably my favourite big city in the whole wide world. I planned to try different venues for p4 p. Initially, went to Annie's which I have to admit was just ok. The girls available were nothing special. But I still chose a girl that was recommended by the mamasan. The young lady had a pretty good body, and was pleasant enough, but the experience was nothing to write home about. The place is also a dive, and it feels like you are in a dark dingy basement. On the way out I saw a very attractive girl that must have just finished. Dang it.

Also, spent couple of evenings at a beer bar located at the entrance of Nana Plaza, where I enjoyed the company of a funny young girl (photo). She was going to come to my hotel on the third night, but I never made it to the bar.

You know you are getting long in the tooth, when girls both in Thailand and Philippines start to call you daddy / dad. I am opting for the sugar daddy explanation and not the Freudian one. During my evening / night bar tours, I was shocked when I entered Suzie Wong, and found every dancer clothed and a very poor choice of girls. On the other hand, Crazy House blew me away, by the sheer size of the crowd and number of girls. Of course the nudity did not hurt. There were some doable girls and I ended up bar fining one, who provided a nice PSE. One of the older entertainers at the bar, took my finger and showed it up her ass. Hmm. Got to love Bangkok, and yes the asshole was clean. I really enjoyed this bar, as the atmosphere was great. I was not that keen on having to tip (my choice) the washroom attendant but he did provide some effective chiro like adjustments. Also, managed to pick a girl from a bar / disco which I did not know where was located due to my intoxicated state. Haha. The girl was quite lovely and nice. So all in all, a good experience. I managed to entertain a massage girl, beer bar girl, freelancer and a CH girl.

"One of the older entertainers at the bar, took my finger and showed it up her ass."

Yes, for those new Mongers that have not yet experienced the city of angels this interaction best sums up the state of play.

Sure the entertainers these days are heavily tattooed, chubbier and have newly constructed body parts, however it's still a magical place where an entertainer during general chit chat will place your digit in her butt. Its the greatest place on earth!

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;2117651]P.S. If you appreciate my reports please acknowledge. I need some encouragement (and of course personal impressions of your mongering.[/QUOTE]So much appreciation. Please don't take quiet for a lack of intrigue. You are doing god's work here Sir!

[QUOTE=HorneeFalang;2118571]"One of the older entertainers at the bar, took my finger and showed it up her ass."

Yes, for those new Mongers that have not yet experienced the city of angels this interaction best sums up the state of play.

Sure the entertainers these days are heavily tattooed, chubbier and have newly constructed body parts, however it's still a magical place where an entertainer during general chit chat will place your digit in her butt. Its the greatest place on earth![/QUOTE]Awesome! And hope it stays that way forever. Reminds me of the girl at a pattaya gogo bar who asked my friend to suck on her tits when he bought her LDs. While looking around it seemed most of the average looking girls were giving an all-access pass to customers to freely explore their bodies while the hotter ones avoided such tactics and mostly stayed clothed. May be I am wrong but that's the vibe I got. My sampling size is very small so may be the regulars have a better take on this.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2118715]Awesome! And hope it stays that way forever. Reminds me of the girl at a pattaya gogo bar who asked my friend to suck on her tits when he bought her LDs. While looking around it seemed most of the average looking girls were giving an all-access pass to customers to freely explore their bodies while the hotter ones avoided such tactics and mostly stayed clothed. May be I am wrong but that's the vibe I got. My sampling size is very small so may be the regulars have a better take on this.[/QUOTE]Yep, that's the problem. Dudes still BF the hot ones, even if they are cold fish. Now, in times gone by the good looking ones had to act about the same. Prissy attitudes just did not fly. And the gals wanted to have fun.

As a newbie to BKK later this week, not mongering. As I have P4P'd in Europe up to now, and having researched on here a lot over past few months, I'm curious to know of variations to my experiences of paying up front, after services have been agreed on. Is Bkk basically the same, or are there any variations for the point at which cash is handed over: any situations with scope for payment after, for instance, such as SWs, Thermae, etc?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2112073]Monkeypaw, many of us have been regular contributors to this forum for years. When we read statements like, "Act like a boss and not a sex tourists" and about a monger having "game;" sorry, but it makes us chuckle as we've seen it before. Now, if she and her friends are paying for the bottle, and taking you home and doinking you for free; I'll gladly concede that you have "game. " And give you a deep bow of respect. Better man than I. Otherwise it is she that has game. Why? It's her job to read you and give you what you want in order to extract what she wants. If she sense you have an ego and want to feel like you have "game," then that is the way she will play it. She's done this many times before. Why do you think she is not interested in dudes who have lived here for a time and dudes that speak really good Thai? Because we are not going to play the game. She's not going to get a free night out with her friends drinking 5 k a bottle whisky or the big bucks for what we would probably consider mediocre performance. She's going to get a dude who is going to say, I am going to pay you x and I expect x in return..[/QUOTE]My exact point. Also I prefer little meat in them so don't want models.

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2118859]As a newbie to BKK later this week, not mongering. As I have P4P'd in Europe up to now, and having researched on here a lot over past few months, I'm curious to know of variations to my experiences of paying up front, after services have been agreed on. Is Bkk basically the same, or are there any variations for the point at which cash is handed over: any situations with scope for payment after, for instance, such as SWs, Thermae, etc?[/QUOTE]For massage parlors (oily massage), you pay the massage money to the reception desk based on the massage time of your choice. You pay the girl after sex. For club pickup, you pay the BF to the club. You pay the girl after sex.

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2118859]I'm curious to know of variations to my experiences of paying up front, after services have been agreed on. Is Bkk basically the same, or are there any variations for the point at which cash is handed over: any situations with scope for payment after, for instance, such as SWs, Thermae, etc?[/QUOTE]1. Go Go's - the Barfine & drinks tab MUST BE paid before you leave the bar. PAY THE GIRL AFTER THE SESSION the prespecified agreed upon amount for her service. Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you. If a service prepayment is insisted upon, walk away!

2. FL's in Clubs, Thermae & SW's - PAY THE GIRL AFTER THE SESSION the prespecified agreed upon amount. Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you. If a service prepayment is insisted upon, walk away!

3. Soapies - PAYMENT BEFORE GOING TO THE ROOM IS STANDARD. Prices are All Inclusive. Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you.

4. Soi 24-26 Oily Parlors - The timing of the payment varies with the house and often depends on how well they know you. For a newbie expect to pay upfront the entire bill (room & service). Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2118715]Awesome! And hope it stays that way forever. Reminds me of the girl at a pattaya gogo bar who asked my friend to suck on her tits when he bought her LDs. While looking around it seemed most of the average looking girls were giving an all-access pass to customers to freely explore their bodies while the hotter ones avoided such tactics and mostly stayed clothed. May be I am wrong but that's the vibe I got. My sampling size is very small so may be the regulars have a better take on this.[/QUOTE]One of my earliest memories was witnessing a good friend of mine circling his ice filled glass of whiskey upon a deaf mute entertainers nipples, whilst she humped his knee as he rubbed her kitty to orgasm. That was over 20 years ago and the memory will stay with me for the rest of my years. I really hope other fellow Mongers get to experience similar. I'm certain there are opportunities.

All good points!

But this is for persons like me from a certain country, no brownie points for guessing which one by the way. We were told to pay the full amount for the girl upfront before taking her out at both CH and Windmill in Pattaya. Probably clubs in BKK have same approach.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2119012]1. Go Go's - the Barfine & drinks tab MUST BE paid before you leave the bar. PAY THE GIRL AFTER THE SESSION the prespecified agreed upon amount for her service. Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you. If a service prepayment is insisted upon, walk away!

2. FL's in Clubs, Thermae & SW's - PAY THE GIRL AFTER THE SESSION the prespecified agreed upon amount. Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you. If a service prepayment is insisted upon, walk away!

3. Soapies - PAYMENT BEFORE GOING TO THE ROOM IS STANDARD. Prices are All Inclusive. Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you.

4. Soi 24-26 Oily Parlors - The timing of the payment varies with the house and often depends on how well they know you. For a newbie expect to pay upfront the entire bill (room & service). Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you.[/QUOTE]

Hi folks,

Would be travelling to Bangkok for the first time & need help, would like to know from which nightclub I can pick freelancers from Sukhumvit area & prices & please and also suggest good soapy massage parlours around Sukhumvit area & is it also easy to find girls from online dating apps if yes please suggest a few any more info would be greatly appreciated my PM is active.

Happy mongering.

DannyBoy20.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2119012]1. Go Go's - the Barfine & drinks tab MUST BE paid before you leave the bar. PAY THE GIRL AFTER THE SESSION the prespecified agreed upon amount for her service. Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you. If a service prepayment is insisted upon, walk away![/QUOTE]I'm a white guy not a newbie and on occasion I pay up front at Gogo's never been more than 2 k though. Never had a problem.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2119012]1. Go Go's - the Barfine & drinks tab MUST BE paid before you leave the bar. PAY THE GIRL AFTER THE SESSION the prespecified agreed upon amount for her service. Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you. If a service prepayment is insisted upon, walk away!

2. FL's in Clubs, Thermae & SW's - PAY THE GIRL AFTER THE SESSION the prespecified agreed upon amount. Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you. If a service prepayment is insisted upon, walk away!

3. Soapies - PAYMENT BEFORE GOING TO THE ROOM IS STANDARD. Prices are All Inclusive. Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you.

4. Soi 24-26 Oily Parlors - The timing of the payment varies with the house and often depends on how well they know you. For a newbie expect to pay upfront the entire bill (room & service). Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you.[/QUOTE]All of the above is correct with one slight modification. Some of the go-go's in Patpong, at least awhile ago, required payment in advance for both the girl and the bar fine; full payment was made directly to the bar, not the girl. Although many mongers frown on such a practice as a disincentive to good performance, one of my best go-go girl experiences was with a girl at a bar that required this. What I don't know is whether asking for the entire fee in advance is the norm in Patpong, or whether it just was at this one bar or perhaps a few. OTOH, at Nana and Soi Cowboy one should expect to pay the girl's fee when she is getting ready to leave.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2119012]1. Go Go's - the Barfine & drinks tab MUST BE paid before you leave the bar. PAY THE GIRL AFTER THE SESSION the prespecified agreed upon amount for her service. Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you. If a service prepayment is insisted upon, walk away!

2. FL's in Clubs, Thermae & SW's - PAY THE GIRL AFTER THE SESSION the prespecified agreed upon amount. Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you. If a service prepayment is insisted upon, walk away!

3. Soapies - PAYMENT BEFORE GOING TO THE ROOM IS STANDARD. Prices are All Inclusive. Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you.

4. Soi 24-26 Oily Parlors - The timing of the payment varies with the house and often depends on how well they know you. For a newbie expect to pay upfront the entire bill (room & service). Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you.[/QUOTE]What about ordering services from smooci or a FL on the street?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2116519]I had the hottest girl I've ever had in my life in a walk in hotel in KL. Vietnamese girl about 18 years old. What a firm and young body that girl had.

That being said, I absolutely hated the seediness of the situation. Those walk in hotels are run by dudes who are pure evil. I won't do it again. It's the only time I ever felt like it was a true sex slave type of environment.[/QUOTE]This is definitely happening in places like that and Indonesia, a girl I met in Macau ended up having her passport kept from her unless she paid a debt, and it was so slow there was no chance for her to pay it back. She had already met me outside the sauna many times (without ever asking for anything! And I took a chance and sent her the couple hundred USD she needed to get her passport back. She offered to pay me back in cash, I declined, and she has paid me back another way many times. Still, it was a scary situation for her, and I'm sure many who are in that predicament. Downside to the hobby being unregulated, and criminalized.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2119012]
2. FL's in Clubs, Thermae & SW's - PAY THE GIRL AFTER THE SESSION the prespecified agreed upon amount. Additonal Tips based on merit are up to you. If a service prepayment is insisted upon, walk away!
[/QUOTE]What are your thoughts about FLs where no prespecified amount is mentioned or discussed and it is left up to the punter to put a sum of money in her hand or next to her purse afterwards? After all, there isn't a mamasan or papasan on hand with FLs to quote a price, no sign or menu stating services offered and for how much and I doubt most guys who take FLs have read the forums to know what is supposedly considered "standard" these days.

I am particularly curious about your or anyone else's thoughts on this especially with regard to Thermae FLs.

I am a 64 year old Caucasian. Last week I took a very cute young lady from the supposedly more Asian side line-up in Thermae (on the left as you walk in through the Sukhumvit steps door). Being very curious about what would happen if I just went with the flow this time as many guys do, I did not engage at all in my usual screening questions regarding "For what?" details and, interestingly, neither of us mentioned a word about "How much?" either. She just smiled broadly and invitingly as I was standing with a friend at the bar and so I decided to approach her and proceed with my little experiment of just going with the flow on it. She spoke English fairly well, so language was not an issue.

Therefore, I am curious now what you or anyone else would recommend be paid to a Thermae FL if the session turned out to be very good (for example, if she complied with pretty much what you tried to engage in or asked of her in the room) and, by contrast, if it turned out to be disappointing (for example, it was not a complete Jekyll and Hyde transformation, but mostly she just went through the motions of what would only satisfy the least demanding and quick-on-the-trigger customers willing and able to accept the rock bottom basic notion of FS).

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2119154]What are your thoughts about FLs where no prespecified amount is mentioned or discussed and it is left to the punter to put a sum of money in her hand or next to her purse afterwards? After all, there isn't a mamasan or papasan on hand with FLs to quote a price, no sign or menu stating services offered and I doubt most guys who take FLs have read the forums to know what is supposedly "standard" these days.

I am particularly curious about your or anyone else's thoughts on this especially with regard to Thermae FLs.

I am a 64 year old Caucasian. Last week I took a very cute young lady from the supposedly more Asian side line-up in Thermae (on the left as you walk in through the Sukhumvit steps door). Being very curious about what would happen if I just went with the flow as many guys do, I did not engage at all in my usual screening questions regarding "For what?" details and neither of us mentioned a word about "How much?"

Therefore, I am curious now what you or anyone else would recommend be paid to a Thermae FL if the session turned out to be very good (say, if she complied with pretty much what you tried to engage in or asked of her in the room) and, by contrast, if it turned out to be disappointing (say, it was not a complete Jekyl and Hyde transformation, but mostly she just went through the motions of what would only satisfy the least demanding and quick-on-the-trigger customers willing and able to accept the rock bottom basic notion of FS).[/QUOTE]I think ST is pretty standard at 2500. I typically do not do LT with first time encounters, so I'm not sure, but I've been quoted 5000 LT for FL at Thermae. Maybe other regulars can confirm if it can be lower?

For an average performance, unless she really frustrated me, I probably would have given the standard 2500 for ST, but maybe 2000 or 1500ST if it was obviously a ploy. If it was very good, I might tip a 200-500.

Also, I was recently quoted 3500ST and 7000-8000 LT for Nana, e. G. Rainbow 2. Is that accurate? Seems extremely pricey.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2119158]I think ST is pretty standard at 2500. I typically do not do LT with first time encounters, so I'm not sure, but I've been quoted 5000 LT for FL at Thermae. Maybe other regulars can confirm if it can be lower?

For an average performance, unless she really frustrated me, I probably would have given the standard 2500 for ST, but maybe 2000 or 1500ST if it was obviously a ploy. If it was very good, I might tip a 200-500.

Also, I was recently quoted 3500ST and 7000-8000 LT for Nana, e. G. Rainbow 2. Is that accurate? Seems extremely pricey.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. And in those cases, did you also tell the girl what you would expect of her for those quoted amounts? Or was the negotiation only about "How much?" and nothing about "For what?" other than for ST vs LT, that is?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2119154]What are your thoughts about FLs where no prespecified amount is mentioned or discussed and it is left up to the punter to put a sum of money in her hand or next to her purse afterwards? After all, there isn't a mamasan or papasan on hand with FLs to quote a price, no sign or menu stating services offered and for how much and I doubt most guys who take FLs have read the forums to know what is supposedly considered "standard" these days.[/QUOTE]I like to go with the flow. Usually works well in Bangkok seldom disappointed especially by FL's, Gogo girls another story. I'm usu'sally quoted 1500 for ST by FL's in Bangkok so that's where'd I start. Maybe 2 k if they rocked my world. It's to / easy to get 1 k FL's on Tinder / TF. Now in AC I had to start asking the girls if they gave good BJ so they'd know that was part of the deal.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2119154]I am a 64 year old Caucasian. Last week I took a very cute young lady from the supposedly more Asian side line-up in Thermae (on the left as you walk in through the Sukhumvit steps door). Being very curious about what would happen if I just went with the flow this time as many guys do, I did not engage at all in my usual screening questions regarding "For what?" details and, interestingly, neither of us mentioned a word about "How much?" either. She just smiled broadly and invitingly as I was standing with a friend at the bar and so I decided to approach her and proceed with my little experiment of just going with the flow on it. She spoke English fairly well, so language was not an issue.

Therefore, I am curious now what you or anyone else would recommend be paid to a Thermae FL if the session turned out to be very good (for example, if she complied with pretty much what you tried to engage in or asked of her in the room) and, by contrast, if it turned out to be disappointing (for example, it was not a complete Jekyll and Hyde transformation, but mostly she just went through the motions of what would only satisfy the least demanding and quick-on-the-trigger customers willing and able to accept the rock bottom basic notion of FS).[/QUOTE]I'd probably give her 2 k if she was quite good. 2. 5 if two pops. Poor service 1 k. Mediocre 1. 5.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2119176]I like to go with the flow. Usually works well in Bangkok seldom disappointed especially by FL's, Gogo girls another story. I'm usu'sally quoted 1500 for ST by FL's in Bangkok so that's where'd I start. Maybe 2 k if they rocked my world. It's to / easy to get 1 k FL's on Tinder / TF. Now in AC I had to start asking the girls if they gave good BJ so they'd know that was part of the deal.[/QUOTE]You bring up some interesting points that went through my mind, too. First of all, Thermae girls are FLs, just the same as some of the girls on the street or those one can hook up with online. And you can probably get what you want from those girls for 1,000-1,500 baht vs Thermae's purported 2,500 baht going rate. Nothing magical happens because you meet the FL in Thermae. It isn't as though they have been screened for their looks, skills, accommodation, fairness, disposition or anything else by the management before being allowed in except for not being a Ladyboy. And I can screen out for that without anyone's help.

So in this case, the girl's only question of me before I was about to take a shower was, "Are you big?" LOL. Not so much, nothing abnormal I don't think. She seemed ok with my size. The first thing she did when she sat down next to me on the bed after taking her shower was to say, "I will serve you. Let me do for you, ok?" Since I was experimenting with the Go With The Flow approach with a Thermae girl and BTW that statement sounded pretty good to me, I told her that would be fine, I trust you, I'll go with that.

Then things went sour. She put a bottle of oil next to us on the bed and I asked her not to put oil on me. I hate oil on my body, especially on my dick and balls. It has only numbed me, never improved the feeling of anything, which is not a good idea for guys like me who are not quick on the trigger as it is. But she ignored my request and dumped a pool of oil in her hand and on my dick and balls it went. I can usually throw out any chance of having an orgasm anytime in the next several hours the instant oil is slathered all over my dick and balls. Hope against hope, I thought maybe she had discovered some miracle brand of oil that would not be irritating to my dick. But she hadn't. Next, she slipped on a condom. Even if that oil had been the miracle product I hoped it might be, wearing a condom will most certainly ensure that I will not have an orgasm. And, sure enough, I didn't.

However, she had plenty of orgasms riding on my sheathed dick in cowgirl position. Or at least she pretended to do so fairly convincingly. I guess 3-4 of them. If her act was to be believed.

Meanwhile, DATY was adamantly refused from the get-go before my lips came within arms length of her pussy. No DFK or any mouth kissing with tongues touching was allowed. All mouth to dick contact was fully covered. In fact, other than putting the oil on it, I'm not sure her hand touched more of my dick uncovered than the very base of the shaft before she slipped the condom on it.

I had taken several good looking young girls from the supposedly Asian line-up on the left side in Thermae over the past couple of years and none of those previous experiences had been this dreary. Then again, this was the first time I had taken the Go With The Flow approach and not negotiated in more detail what my money would be paying for when we get to my room. And it will be the last time. My Thermae FL money is much better spent when I clear it with the girl that I will only pay for DATY and either BBBJ+CIM or BBBJ+BBFS. The only rare exception is if I am so smitten by the girl that I am willing to risk getting none of those things this first time with her and don't want to bring all possibility of getting what I want by having her say "no" in the bar (or, rather, outside the bar in the case of Thermae since I feel that is a better place and time to engage in a real negotiation there; after we have walked out and onto the sidewalk). This was not one of those times.

After she and I had showered again and I got dressed, I slipped 2000 baht into her hand for the approximately 45 minutes of time in the room and 30 minutes on the bed. I didn't get off, she knew it and she seemed not to be particularly bothered by that, did not take steps to "serve" me any further than the most drearily basic definition of no-frills, covered FS. She ignored my first important request not to put any damn oil on my dick. But I realize a much faster on the trigger guy, even wearing a condom, probably would have finished within 2-3 minutes with this girl and that is probably the kind of customer she is used to dealing with. So I felt my 2000 baht payment was more than fair and bordering on generous.

However, she looked at the money and seemed shocked. "Oh no. Short Time is 2,500 baht."

"For what?" I asked. "You ignored my request not to put oil on me, there was no pussy eating, no real kissing, everything was covered, you didn't care about "serving" me enough to even attempt a BBBJ, much less one that finishes like a real blowjob. I'm sorry, but that was really bad sex for me."

"But I have family to take care of!"

"Well, honey, if you need to make more money to take care of your family, you should start learning how to give a real blowjob without a condom." And, with that, I peeled off another 500 baht and gave that to her. We had, after all, engaged in what passes for sex among many customers these days, I hadn't negotiated any particular sexual act beforehand, and she played the "my family" card. In the end, I gave her the going rate for a Thermae girl ST, 2,500 baht, under mild protest.

That is why I was curious what others would have done. For me, my little experiment was indeed informative. I am now fully informed that the best approach for me is to negotiate the "For what?" part of the deal upfront with the "How much?" part being somewhat immaterial. I mean, in Thermae it's going to run somewhere between 1,500 baht at a rock bottom minimum to 3,000 baht at a likely maximum for ST. I am not going to balk and walk from a Thermae girl that I am genuinely attracted to and who has agreed to DATY and either BBBJ+CIM or BBBJ+BBFS for the sake of saving 1,500 baht or less. But I would definitely balk and walk from a Thermae girl who says No to any two of those options no matter how low her acceptable price is.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2119289]Then again, this was the first time I had taken the Go With The Flow approach and not negotiated in more detail what my money would be paying for when we get to my room. And it will be the last time. My Thermae FL money is much better spent when I clear it with the girl that I will only pay for DATY and either BBBJ+CIM or BBBJ+BBFS. [/QUOTE]I curious how you negotiate for BBFS, and how well it works do you just ask if no condom is OK? I get it often enough that I don't worry and BBBJ in Thailand is all but a given as you have illustrated. I think you had a bad experience and I'd chalk it up as that. I have started asking gogo girls if they give good blow jobs and if they say yes I've always gotten BBBJ so far. I've gotten 1500 from thermae girls before I usually establish price. And several for 1500 LT since they often don't have a room or want to go home.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2119289]You bring up some interesting points that went through my mind, too. First of all, Thermae girls are FLs, just the same as some of the girls on the street or those one can hook up with online. And you can probably get what you want from those girls for 1,000-1,500 baht vs Thermae's purported 2,500 baht going rate. Nothing magical happens because you meet the FL in Thermae. It isn't as though they have been screened for their looks, skills, accommodation, fairness, disposition or anything else by the management before being allowed in except for not being a Ladyboy. And I can screen out for that without anyone's help.
[/QUOTE]Honest question to any of the longtime members here-- What would be expected for 1,000-1,500 THB from a FL? I suppose if they are really desperate they would take it, given there are many more girls than customers, but would they be happy, and perform well? Try to upsell once back? Refuse BBBJ, etc?

From what I saw, Thermae FLs were a notch or two above those milling about outside Nana Plaza, and approaching gogos, and we have no barfine, no lady drinks, no BS from the MMS / servers. I saw 2500ST as fair, considering gogos are 3000-3500 (+barfine and lady drinks? True you can't inspect the goods and no guarantee of service.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2119343]Honest question to any of the longtime members here-- What would be expected for 1,000-1,500 THB from a FL? I suppose if they are really desperate they would take it, given there are many more girls than customers, but would they be happy, and perform well? Try to upsell once back? Refuse BBBJ, etc?

From what I saw, Thermae FLs were a notch or two above those milling about outside Nana Plaza, and approaching gogos, and we have no barfine, no lady drinks, no BS from the MMS / servers. I saw 2500ST as fair, considering gogos are 3000-3500 (+barfine and lady drinks? True you can't inspect the goods and no guarantee of service.[/QUOTE]1000 in BKK? A ST from a Nana car park FL.

1000 in Pattaya? Quite a standard rate in beach road for a ST. Late late at night (morning?) you might get her for 700.

You can't compare prices of a ST between a FL and a gogo. Two different price leagues. I don't necessarily mean different derive leauges. In LOS paying more doesn't necessarily mean getting more.

Gogo and bar girls, just as CL or BP or escorts, have their own price standards set by the fact they are picked up in a specific location or arrangement.

Same girl might have two or three different prices.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2119343]Honest question to any of the longtime members here-- What would be expected for 1,000-1,500 THB from a FL? I suppose if they are really desperate they would take it, given there are many more girls than customers, but would they be happy, and perform well? Try to upsell once back? Refuse BBBJ, etc?.[/QUOTE]At that price with a lower Suk SW you can expect a somewhat rushed suck & fuck. I would not expect a leisurely multi-pop GFE. Time of day, day of week, and personal chemistry with the lady are all variables. A BBBJ should be confirmed in advance. As always YMMV.

While a [I]quick and dirty[/I] spontaneous [I]opening price point[/I] encounter can be good fun, I find a 2300 baht two hour multi-pop PSE oily session to be more satisfying.

SL.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2119337]I curious how you negotiate for BBFS, and how well it works do you just ask if no condom is OK? I get it often enough that I don't worry and BBBJ in Thailand is all but a given as you have illustrated. I think you had a bad experience and I'd chalk it up as that. I have started asking gogo girls if they give good blow jobs and if they say yes I've always gotten BBBJ so far. I've gotten 1500 from thermae girls before I usually establish price. And several for 1500 LT since they often don't have a room or want to go home.[/QUOTE]BBBJ as mere foreplay might be all but a given in Thailand, but a BBBJ to a real CIM finish (many would call that a "blowjob" and call BBBJ as mere foreplay as "oral foreplay", including me) is not a given at all. Unfortunately, that kind of finish must generally be clarified before the act begins unless you are fine with the girl converting what you thought was going to be a blowjob with a real blowjob finish into a handjob with a bit of oral foreplay thrown in. A girl who works in a known BJ Bar might not need to be asked if she will provide a CIM finish, but these days I would not assume that to be the case either and would still ask beforehand just to make sure she hasn't been led to believe by her customers that a BJ ends some other way but orally / CIM.

On the subject of BBFS, personally I do not recommend (if that is even the right word) it unless you have taken the same precautions I have taken with regard to the option; I am circumcised, I got a vasectomy many years ago, I always have a current (within 2-3 months) HIV / STI medical blood check document from a legitimate and reputable testing clinic such as Thailand Red Cross showing Negative / Non-Reactive / Normal results, I always roll out of bed to wash my dick and balls with soapy water within minutes of finishing and take a leak. It isn't perfect, nothing is and I don't expect it to be, but in my case doing this must have contributed to keeping me STI-free and unplanned pregnancy-free through decades of BB sex with thousands of women all around the world, most of them being P4 P girls. This is not an endorsement, just stating my personal experience and what I feel has kept me and my partners safer from my BB life choice due to my never being able to finish while wearing a condom.

My general thoughts on P4P negotiation for virtually any activity you want can be found in Posts #33419 and #33429 in this thread. I will just re-post most of it here now to save you the search and have since cleaned up and clarified some messaging in the original text:

Different circumstances call for a different approach, but for me the circumstances generally fall into one of these 3. And in all cases it is assumed I am attracted to the girl enough to want to be with her, not just responding to any girl approaching me:

1. I am so smitten by the girl there is no need to ask anything specific because I honestly do not care if the only thing I get out of the experience this time is DATY, as long as I get her out of the bar and into my room where the real chemistry for how much GFE will be had and time will be spent is ultimately established. It happens. In a case like that, I might even be the one to ask if she wants to go barfine before she asks me, which is rare because I would much rather the girl ask me first, and most do. If this particular type of girl asks me first, I still would probably not ask her about anything specific, just pretend to give it some thought and eventually say yes. LOL.

2. It matters what I get in the room tonight, the girl asks me to pay her barfine but she does not bring up an amount of money for her. My interview process would go something like this, keeping it fun and playful:

- Pay your barfine? What will we do in the room?

"Ha ha. Everything. Up to you."

- Everything, up to me? I like everything, up to me. You do good sa-moke?

"Sa-moke?"

- Blowjob. You give good blowjob, cum in mouth everything, no condom? Will you do that for me?

"Yes, I will do that for you."

End of interview process. If her response is notably negative, I bail. If it is notably positive, I am in.

I don't ask anything more in this regard unless she brings it up and wants to talk about it more. I now have heard everything of value that I could possibly learn in the bar BECAUSE belaboring the subject longer in the bar accomplishes little and all of the more important matters in terms of how good or how long ANYTHING gets will be established as nature takes its course when we are alone in the room and she has really gotten more comfortable with me. It will not be learned when we are both dealing with a ton of distractions and interruptions in the bar. My question about how she would finish a blowjob is asked only to establish a floor, a fall back position below which I do not want to go if our chemistry, the boom-boom conditions, whatever does not go as well as I want in the room. I may have no intention of going for a blowjob with this girl but I ask the question (that her response elicited, BTW) anyway. I wind up boom-booming, my way (bareback), girls who give that answer about 65% of the time or more. I go for the now already agreed upon real blowjob with a CIM finish the other 35% of the time. Which is a perfect boom-boom to blowjob ratio for me.

3. It matters what I get in the room tonight, the girl asks me to pay her barfine and at some point brings up an amount of money she wants me to pay her. Some guys take this as a sure sign to bail, the girl bringing up how much money she wants, that is. I used to feel that way too. But I have since learned it is actually a nifty opportunity to get a whole host of important issues hammered down and out of the way long before we get to the room. I welcome it now. Recognize that she has thrown a hardball by citing her dream number baht amount she wants me to give her. So it is time for me to throw a hardball right back. But it won't be a hardball about how much money I will give her. It will be a hardball about the level of pleasure I would expect if I paid her dream amount. It would go something like this:

Me - "3,000 baht? Hmmm. If I pay a lady 3,000 baht I would need her to (and this is where I ask for the world. Fill in with whatever your best P4 P experience would be; Long Time until noon tomorrow, multiple pops, BB this or that, DFK, shaved pussy, you name it)"

Her - "oh no, I cannot do XYZ. But the other things ok."

Me - "hmmm. Well, if you don't do XYZ, then I can only give you 2,000 baht. You ok?

"ok".

Maybe it will go back and forth a couple more times until she gets me to another number or she agrees to do something more. But this can still be done playfully and fun. I have had plenty of great, hassle free experiences with very good girls this way because a lot of the stuff I'd rather not have a conversation about in the room has already been settled and now we can work on that chemistry to make it all more relaxed, enjoyable and agreeable.

After my stay 3 week stay in Pattaya, I had a one night layover in Bangkok. Ran into this 23 year old girl outside of Thermae's back entrance by Hooters. Looks wise she was just so so, not a real beauty, about 5'5" and 105 lbs with large natural perky tits and fair skin. We went inside for a quick chat a drink. I was already buzzing when we agreed to the deed. Her performance was off the chart though. I was hesitant to kiss her because of her ugliness. But we did some DFK because I was drunk. She happily obliged with a BBBJ finish with CIM. I tried keep her head and eyes down because I didn't want to look at her not so pretty face. I was afraid her looks might've turned me off. Anyways afterwards, we exchanged LINE, in case I needed a desperate drunk fuck for cheap. 2 hours for 2500 baht. I snuck a quick photo of her ass. Pretty nasty ass in my honest opinion. That's why I just stuck to missionary, but then I had to look at her face. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2119393]
Me - "3,000 baht? Hmmm. If I pay a lady 3,000 baht I would need her to (and this is where I ask for the world. Fill in with whatever your best P4 P experience would be; Long Time until noon tomorrow, multiple pops, BB this or that, DFK, shaved pussy, you name it)"

Her - "oh no, I cannot do XYZ. But the other things ok."

Me - "hmmm. Well, if you don't do XYZ, then I can only give you 2,000 baht. You ok?

"ok".[/QUOTE]Are you having this conversation in Thai? I can't even remember the last time I found a thai girl who spoke English well enough to understand a conversation like that in English.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2119289]However, she looked at the money and seemed shocked. "Oh no. Short Time is 2,500 baht."

"For what?" I asked. "You ignored my request not to put oil on me, there was no pussy eating, no real kissing, everything was covered, you didn't care about "serving" me enough to even attempt a BBBJ, much less one that finishes like a real blowjob. I'm sorry, but that was really bad sex for me."

"But I have family to take care of!"

"Well, honey, if you need to make more money to take care of your family, you should start learning how to give a real blowjob without a condom." And, with that, I peeled off another 500 baht and gave that to her. We had, after all, engaged in what passes for sex among many customers these days, I hadn't negotiated any particular sexual act beforehand, and she played the "my family" card. In the end, I gave her the going rate for a Thermae girl ST, 2,500 baht, under mild protest.

That is why I was curious what others would have done. For me, my little experiment was indeed informative. I am now fully informed that the best approach for me is to negotiate the "For what?" part of the deal upfront with the "How much?" part being somewhat immaterial. I mean, in Thermae it's going to run somewhere between 1,500 baht at a rock bottom minimum to 3,000 baht at a likely maximum for ST. I am not going to balk and walk from a Thermae girl that I am genuinely attracted to and who has agreed to DATY and either BBBJ+CIM or BBBJ+BBFS for the sake of saving 1,500 baht or less. But I would definitely balk and walk from a Thermae girl who says No to any two of those options no matter how low her acceptable price is.[/QUOTE]2 k is probably more than I would have given, and to tell you the truth I would have called off the session long before then. When DFK, DATY, et al was refused, I would have explained why I was not happy and also told her that I did not expect nor want her to do anything she was uncomfortable with, gotten up, dressed, given her between 500 and 1 k, and left.

How did the exchange end for you? Was she upset or did she at least pretend to understand your position?

[QUOTE=DannyBoy20;2119114]Hi folks,

Would be travelling to Bangkok for the first time & need help, would like to know from which nightclub I can pick freelancers from Sukhumvit area & prices & please and also suggest good soapy massage parlours around Sukhumvit area & is it also easy to find girls from online dating apps if yes please suggest a few any more info would be greatly appreciated my PM is active.

Happy mongering.

DannyBoy20.[/QUOTE]Insanity and levels, these are the clubs from where I pick free lancers in Sukhumvit.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2119508]After my stay 3 week stay in Pattaya, I had a one night layover in Bangkok. Ran into this 23 year old girl outside of Thermae's back entrance by Hooters. Looks wise she was just so so, not a real beauty, about 5'5" and 105 lbs with large natural perky tits and fair skin. We went inside for a quick chat a drink. I was already buzzing when we agreed to the deed. Her performance was off the chart though. I was hesitant to kiss her because of her ugliness. But we did some DFK because I was drunk. She happily obliged with a BBBJ finish with CIM. I tried keep her head and eyes down because I didn't want to look at her not so pretty face. I was afraid her looks might've turned me off. Anyways afterwards, we exchanged LINE, in case I needed a desperate drunk fuck for cheap. 2 hours for 2500 baht. I snuck a quick photo of her ass. Pretty nasty ass in my honest opinion. That's why I just stuck to missionary, but then I had to look at her face. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.[/QUOTE]I'm trying to figure out if you're being tongue-in-cheek here, as the photos you attached look quite good.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2119637]I'm trying to figure out if you're being tongue-in-cheek here, as the photos you attached look quite good.[/QUOTE]Yo tambien!

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2119637]I'm trying to figure out if you're being tongue-in-cheek here, as the photos you attached look quite good.[/QUOTE]I think it's obvious that he was being sarcastic. By calling an attractive girl ugly he was in effect boasting of how good-looking the ones he considers pretty ones are.

Such a risk to pick up a "girl" directly outside of Thermae instead of inside tho. (even though she looks legit).

Sorry it's off topic I know but can anyone tell me if it is possible to view the reports in chronological order rather than newest first? It's ass-backwards to every other forum I've read and does my head in. Because you read the reactions to the reports before you read the reports themselves.

I've looked in the 'settings' bit but can't for the life of me figure out how to read posts in the 'proper' order.

Apologies for the interruption.

JR.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2119289]"Well, honey, if you need to make more money to take care of your family, you should start learning how to give a real blowjob without a condom." And, with that, I peeled off another 500 baht and gave that to her. We had, after all, engaged in what passes for sex among many customers these days, I hadn't negotiated any particular sexual act beforehand, and she played the "my family" card. In the end, I gave her the going rate for a Thermae girl ST, 2,500 baht, under mild protest.

That is why I was curious what others would have done.[/QUOTE]IMHO, once you had proper sex with her, and for 30 minutes at that, it's unfair to reduce the rate you agreed to in advance. Sure, you got far less than you expected, but maybe she considers she gave more than she usually does, given that her usual customer might finish within 3 minutes, as you mentioned. On the other hand, she does have a duty to make you finish, even if it's with a bad HJ after you go soft. She cannot claim the full price if she refuses to finish you off, but it's different if [I]you[/I] stop the session.

If you did not agree a price in advance, up to you, of course, down to a reasonable minimum (1000-1500 in this case, I think).

I try to cancel this type of session early on, before sex had taken place. In that case, you don't owe her much except travel money and time (and time is cheap). Oil on dick, strike one, maybe if she's hot or it's a misunderstanding, I'd let that one slide. Refusing a BBBJ, strike two, and she's out with 200-500 baht at most.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2119508]After my stay 3 week stay in Pattaya, I had a one night layover in Bangkok. Ran into this 23 year old girl outside of Thermae's back entrance by Hooters. Looks wise she was just so so, not a real beauty, about 5'5" and 105 lbs with large natural perky tits and fair skin. We went inside for a quick chat a drink. I was already buzzing when we agreed to the deed. Her performance was off the chart though. I was hesitant to kiss her because of her ugliness. But we did some DFK because I was drunk. She happily obliged with a BBBJ finish with CIM. I tried keep her head and eyes down because I didn't want to look at her not so pretty face. I was afraid her looks might've turned me off. Anyways afterwards, we exchanged LINE, in case I needed a desperate drunk fuck for cheap. 2 hours for 2500 baht. I snuck a quick photo of her ass. Pretty nasty ass in my honest opinion. That's why I just stuck to missionary, but then I had to look at her face. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.[/QUOTE]Is there anyway you can share that Line ID? Do you have premium here? I'll buy it to PM you if so.

[QUOTE=NRock;2119659]Such a risk to pick up a "girl" directly outside of Thermae instead of inside tho. (even though she looks legit).[/QUOTE]You joking? My best scores are from the smart girls that wait outside to pick you off before you even get inside. Assuming not ladyboy LOL.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2119508]After my stay 3 week stay in Pattaya, I had a one night layover in Bangkok. Ran into this 23 year old girl outside of Thermae's back entrance by Hooters. Looks wise she was just so so, not a real beauty, about 5'5" and 105 lbs with large natural perky tits and fair skin. We went inside for a quick chat a drink. I was already buzzing when we agreed to the deed. Her performance was off the chart though. I was hesitant to kiss her because of her ugliness. But we did some DFK because I was drunk. She happily obliged with a BBBJ finish with CIM. I tried keep her head and eyes down because I didn't want to look at her not so pretty face. I was afraid her looks might've turned me off. Anyways afterwards, we exchanged LINE, in case I needed a desperate drunk fuck for cheap. 2 hours for 2500 baht. I snuck a quick photo of her ass. Pretty nasty ass in my honest opinion. That's why I just stuck to missionary, but then I had to look at her face. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.[/QUOTE]Nice score.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2119580]2 k is probably more than I would have given, and to tell you the truth I would have called off the session long before then. When DFK, DATY, et al was refused, I would have explained why I was not happy and also told her that I did not expect nor want her to do anything she was uncomfortable with, gotten up, dressed, given her between 500 and 1 k, and left.

How did the exchange end for you? Was she upset or did she at least pretend to understand your position?[/QUOTE]Ordinarily, I would have called it off earlier, too. And have. The instant she put that oil on my dick after I told her I did not want that I would have told her it's over, gotten up, showered, got dressed and given her 500 baht or so as I was putting her out the door. But this was my "go with the flow" experiment and had already decided to go with whatever she had in mind to "serve" me, as she put it. Only weirdly in the back of my mind did I think that maybe she had some fantastic trick up her sleeve to turn everything around and suddenly become a good or passionate lover. She did seem pretty confident about her sexual skills and powers. LOL. I know, I know. Experiment concluded, results now known.

The exchange ended rather coldly. No apology from her or even a thank you for coughing up an additional 500 baht above what I decided was fair if not generous. Since I live in a small apartment complex without a front desk so to speak, I need to escort the girl down to my front door to let her out with my security card. We were both silent in the elevator since I really had nothing else to say, I opened the front door of the complex for her, she walked out and I merely said "bye" and went back in. She seemed genuinely disheartened that what she delivered hadn't been even remotely acceptable enough to get me off. But not disheartened enough to offer another, more realistically sexual approach, of course.

I realize that on some level I perpetuated in her mind the possible rap on Farang customers among some Thermae girls; that we expect more of them than their typical current apparently very low-demand customer base and, not getting it, we just might not pay as much as they hope we'll pay (bearing in mind, no amount of money was discussed previously in this case). For which I most happily accept that responsibility.

[QUOTE=NRock;2119659]Such a risk to pick up a "girl" directly outside of Thermae instead of inside tho. (even though she looks legit).[/QUOTE]I wonder how the staff at Thermae can verify 100% that a girl is not TS or post-op? I would also like to learn this trick.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2119823] I realize that on some level I perpetuated in her mind the possible rap on Farang customers among some Thermae girls; that we expect more of them than their typical current apparently very low-demand customer base and, not getting it, we just might not pay as much as they hope we'll pay (bearing in mind, no amount of money was discussed previously in this case). For which I most happily accept that responsibility.[/QUOTE]Good for you. It is a shame our Asian counterparts are not as demanding as we are. If they were, the scene would still be quite good. I will tell you that when the mainland punters arrive in droves, the gals will have a wake up call. They are demanding.

I'm new to mongering in Thailand (but not new to mongering abroad) so forgive me if my questions are foolish.

I am flying into Bangkok and landing at 2 am. I am heading into the Grand Inn Hotel, so I am guessing I will be all checked in and ready to go at 4 am. What route would you guys go for a release at this time and local that wouldn't be too taxing on the body? Nana and Thermae are closed, right? And smooci is a 2 hour minimum which may be rough after a 24 hour travel from across the Pacific. Is there a delivery massage service out there? I know in places like Jakarta you can have a girl come to your room that late, give an amazing post-flight massage, then HJ or BBBJ or FS depending what you want to pay and how lazy you are after your flight. Is my best bet just walking some street and finding a FL?

Also, can anyone offer any advice for NYE? Are places like Soi22 and Nana packed to the gill? Or dead as girls visit home? Any insight? I'm wondering if this is a good night to get out the Soi22 and try a few bars or a really bad night for it (in which case I can try to find a girl another way).

Any advice would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2119823]But this was my "go with the flow" experiment and had already decided to go with whatever she had in mind to "serve" me, as she put it. Only weirdly in the back of my mind did I think that maybe she had some fantastic trick up her sleeve to turn everything around and suddenly become a good or passionate lover. She did seem pretty confident about her sexual skills and powers. LOL. I know, I know. Experiment concluded, results now known.[/QUOTE]Chalk it up to bad luck and move on LOL. Don't give up so quick happens to everyone. It's funny I thought the first girl that started me off with a lubed hand job was ripping me off. Until she started a BJ and put on the condom and I was like wow this is so much better.

So last night I decided I'd go with the flow and check out Jomtien's night scene got off at Soi 7 and man lots of punters in the bars but a few interesting possibilities decided to wander up to Rho plaza and come back if necessary. Anyhow not finding much then this skinny but a bit weathered girl says how about a drink and I start to wander off and I'm like what am I going to walk around all night. So I say great. She then proceeds to tell me she's not working there just helping a friend, not go with you etc, and I'm like grrr okay have a drink and leave. Then her friend starts dancing on the stripper pole and I say hey can you do that and she starts putting on a show. Well that changes the mood. And she's rubbing on me saying been divorced three years no men, whatever LOL. So now she's ready to leave so we grab the baht bus back to pattaya. She takes her clothes off and wow looks like a 20 year old with these nice real "see" sized cups. Proceeds to ravish me like a girl in heat we finish up and is oh no we're going again you do with me as you want all night. We go again bit later. She leaves again in morning, never asks for tip, taxi fare anything. I'm only out the 300 BF for friend, 220 drinks, and 20 baht for busor 540 total. Best score I've had in awhile. Might be going to Jomtien more often.

"I'm like Evil Knievel, I get paid for the attempt."

I do think that at some point with a girl there is an implicit social contract to pay in-full whether your experience is exactly what you want, or not. And that point is usually at penetration.

Yeah, I understand that if you go to a restaurant and the dish is terrible you can send it back. But you also don't get a refund or discount from a venue if a concert wasn't to your liking, etc. Our hobby probably falls somewhere in between but I tend to honor the agreed upon price and use tips to compensate for performance / enjoyment.

Met up with Vlady at the Subway near Soi 7/1. Normally she works at in lobby of a certain 5 star hotel on Sukhumvit. She looks better with full make up, than after sex. Perhaps it's because of her style of sex. Physically she is 24, 5'7" and about 115 lbs with average boobs (B plus? I was introduced to her by another ISG member who I met previously and we swapped intel on UTR freelancers. Honestly she was just so so in bed. A bit disappointed that she told me she was an anal only girl. This reminds of some of the girls in Japan who are considered virgins by not letting guys fuck them in the pussy, but ass only is okay. Wish I knew ahead of time before I DATY for like 30 minutes, but not knowing it was going to be all anal all the time. Boring. Anyways for 3000 baht for 90 minutes of DATY, BBBJ, anal sex multiple positions, HJ, with ATM action wasn't too bad. Her BJ skills are below average so I had to finish with an oil handjob with COF. We traded WhatsApp info in case I felt the need bang the brown round on another night. I think I'll pass.

FYI. She almost caught me snapping a photo of her after the session. She said, "You photo me?" I was like "Playing Texas Hold them. " Close call. Don't want the Russian mafia after me. Things I do and risk for ISG sharing.

[QUOTE=NRock;2119906]"I'm like Evil Knievel, I get paid for the attempt."

I do think that at some point with a girl there is an implicit social contract to pay in-full whether your experience is exactly what you want, or not. And that point is usually at penetration.

Yeah, I understand that if you go to a restaurant and the dish is terrible you can send it back. But you also don't get a refund or discount from a venue if a concert wasn't to your liking, etc. Our hobby probably falls somewhere in between but I tend to honor the agreed upon price and use tips to compensate for performance / enjoyment.[/QUOTE]I think your points and analogy have merit if there is an agreed upon price established beforehand and if it then only comes down to the quality of the meal ordered. But what if in your restaurant analogy no prices were posted on the menu, it was left up to you to decide what to pay on this particular night, the chef said trust me, I know you're going to enjoy tonight's special meal. And when the waiter pulled a bottle of Tabasco Sauce out of his pocket you said, "No Tabasco Sauce for me, please. I really hate hot and spicy food", but he opened the bottle and covered your entire meal with it anyway, making what turned out to be tonight's lousy chef's special meal even more unpaletable? That is much closer to what occurred in my case.

To further the analogy, though, I have no intention of avoiding this restaurant (Thermae) in the future. I have had some pretty good meals there recently and for a reasonable price. But from now on I will stick to my usual pattern of clarifying with the chef what I prefer to eat, no surprise chef special meals, and if the waiter whips out a bottle of Tabasco Sauce, being on greater alert next time I will literally pick up my plate and move it out of his reach until he puts that damn bottle back in his pocket. LOL.

[QUOTE=NRock;2119906]"I'm like Evil Knievel, I get paid for the attempt."[/QUOTE]I'm not sure that's a good analysis. In Evil's case, if he failed the jump and crashed, that was more entertaining than when he succeeded.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2120012]I'm not sure that's a good analysis. In Evil's case, if he failed the jump and crashed, that was more entertaining than when he succeeded.[/QUOTE]LOL. Good catch. In fact, I think it was implicit in Evil's statement that he knew audiences flocked to his most famous stunts in order to be witness to another of his spectacular failed attempts, not to witness him actually reaching the other side of the canyon safe and sound. That is quite the opposite of what we're talking about here. I doubt a P4P provider would garner many takers if she became more renown for her epic failures than for her happy ending successes.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2119986]Met up with Vlady at the Subway near Soi 7/1. Normally she works at in lobby of a certain 5 star hotel on Sukhumvit. She looks better with full make up, than after sex. Perhaps it's because of her style of sex. Physically she is 24, 5'7" and about 115 lbs with average boobs (B plus? I was introduced to her by another ISG member who I met previously and we swapped intel on UTR freelancers. Honestly she was just so so in bed. A bit disappointed that she told me she was an anal only girl. This reminds of some of the girls in Japan who are considered virgins by not letting guys fuck them in the pussy, but ass only is okay. Wish I knew ahead of time before I DATY for like 30 minutes, but not knowing it was going to be all anal all the time. Boring. Anyways for 3000 baht for 90 minutes of DATY, BBBJ, anal sex multiple positions, HJ, with ATM action wasn't too bad. Her BJ skills are below average so I had to finish with an oil handjob with COF. We traded WhatsApp info in case I felt the need bang the brown round on another night. I think I'll pass.

FYI. She almost caught me snapping a photo of her after the session. She said, "You photo me?" I was like "Playing Texas Hold them. " Close call. Don't want the Russian mafia after me. Things I do and risk for ISG sharing.[/QUOTE]Anal only service offering can have an effect on elasticity of the hole in the long run. Was it tight enough for a good bang?

Will be there next week and have already lined up couple of oily girls who shared there whatsapp numbers. This is an out of office arrangement for the girls. Not sure if that has any advantage for me, except that the girl gets to keep all the money max cut out of the meeting and therefore in good mood. And even when I go to oilies, I choose the girl and ask for outcalls rather than action inside small and sometimes dirty rooms. Addict and 102 are probably exceptions to this?

[QUOTE=JamesRider;2119667]Sorry it's off topic I know but can anyone tell me if it is possible to view the reports in chronological order rather than newest first? It's ass-backwards to every other forum I've read and does my head in. Because you read the reactions to the reports before you read the reports themselves.
I've looked in the 'settings' bit but can't for the life of me figure out how to read posts in the 'proper' order.
Apologies for the interruption.
JR.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be possible (anymore) to change the order, despite this FAQ:

"Can I change the order of posts?
You have a choice over how you view threads. When you're in a thread, look at the top bar. On the right hand side you'll see 'Display Mode'. Click on this and it lets you change how posts are ordered. "

I cannot find this 'Display Mode' anywhere. Not in the settings nor in the threads.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2119986]Normally she works at in lobby of a certain 5 star hotel on Sukhumvit. [/QUOTE]Not for long anymore I'm afraid, now that you've posted her pics here.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2120185]Not for long anymore I'm afraid, now that you've posted her pics here.[/QUOTE]I have reported his post to Admin for taking and posting pictures without the consent of the other party. Hopefully it will be deleted quickly before too much damage is done to her.

[QUOTE=Laymar;2120134]Anal only service offering can have an effect on elasticity of the hole in the long run. Was it tight enough for a good bang?[/QUOTE]Perhaps she is anal only for guys with small dicks? It's possible she took one look at his dick and realized he wouldn't feel anything if using her pussy. I find it hard to believe she would be anal only for every guy, including guys with large penises. Like you say, her ass would be ragged.

How much do free lance Russian chicks cost in Bangkok anyway? I've seen plenty of them but never met one I liked enough to try.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2120272]Perhaps she is anal only for guys with small dicks? It's possible she took one look at his dick and realized he wouldn't feel anything if using her pussy. I find it hard to believe she would be anal only for every guy, including guys with large penises. Like you say, her ass would be ragged.

How much do free lance Russian chicks cost in Bangkok anyway? I've seen plenty of them but never met one I liked enough to try.[/QUOTE]Also possible due to some physical conditions, a girl can't enjoy sex naturally even though these conditions are very rare. Reminds me of a hot redhead who did BBBJ s with CIM and anal only. She wouldn't even let FIV because of the pain it causes.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2120291]Also possible due to some physical conditions, a girl can't enjoy sex naturally even though these conditions are very rare. Reminds me of a hot redhead who did BBBJ s with CIM and anal only. She wouldn't even let FIV because of the pain it causes.[/QUOTE]Might have been a dude with a botched sex change surgery.

Friday 22nd December and Saturday 23rd. WTF?!

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2119508]After my stay 3 week stay in Pattaya, I had a one night layover in Bangkok. Ran into this 23 year old girl outside of Thermae's back entrance by Hooters. Looks wise she was just so so, not a real beauty, about 5'5" and 105 lbs with large natural perky tits and fair skin. We went inside for a quick chat a drink. I was already buzzing when we agreed to the deed. Her performance was off the chart though. I was hesitant to kiss her because of her ugliness. But we did some DFK because I was drunk. She happily obliged with a BBBJ finish with CIM. I tried keep her head and eyes down because I didn't want to look at her not so pretty face. I was afraid her looks might've turned me off. Anyways afterwards, we exchanged LINE, in case I needed a desperate drunk fuck for cheap. 2 hours for 2500 baht. I snuck a quick photo of her ass. Pretty nasty ass in my honest opinion. That's why I just stuck to missionary, but then I had to look at her face. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.[/QUOTE]Like Dog7979 said: Is there anyway you can share that Line ID? Maybe as a PM?

Regards.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2120272]Perhaps she is anal only for guys with small dicks? It's possible she took one look at his dick and realized he wouldn't feel anything if using her pussy. I find it hard to believe she would be anal only for every guy, including guys with large penises. Like you say, her ass would be ragged.

How much do free lance Russian chicks cost in Bangkok anyway? I've seen plenty of them but never met one I liked enough to try.[/QUOTE]Not sure where your bitterness comes from. But seems to me, many of your posts are always insulting Asians, complaining about racism. Yet you choose to monger in an Asian country. I guess you placed me on your "Blocked List. " That's why I couldn't see your original posting. And yet you continue to talk trash when my original report on Vlady had nothing to do with you. Very brave of you indeed!

[QUOTE=Zahle;2120383]Like Dog7979 said: Is there anyway you can share that Line ID? Maybe as a PM?

Regards.[/QUOTE]Please read the last paragraph of post #40043 in this thread. Thanks you.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2120185]Not for long anymore I'm afraid, now that you've posted her pics here.[/QUOTE]There are 18 5-star hotels along Sukhumvit. Good luck.

[QUOTE=NRock;2119659]Such a risk to pick up a "girl" directly outside of Thermae instead of inside tho. (even though she looks legit).[/QUOTE]A few ladyboys have sneaked into Thermae for time to time anyways. Ladyboys don't have a problem telling you they are ladyboys. The post ops ones are working SMOOCI, posing as girls. Look closely next time at a certain agency next time. Also this is the back entrance to the bar. It's across from Hooters and if you enter this way, no drink buying needed. The ladyboys hang out on the Sukhumvit entrance. Just grab and check if you are worried. I'd be more worried if they kept on using KY to lube themselves instead naturally getting wet.

[QUOTE=Laymar;2120134]Anal only service offering can have an effect on elasticity of the hole in the long run. Was it tight enough for a good bang?[/QUOTE]So so. Like I said. Not my cup of tea.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2120249]I have reported his post to Admin for taking and posting pictures without the consent of the other party. Hopefully it will be deleted quickly before too much damage is done to her.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the effort but don't hold your breath. I think most pictures here are posted without the consent of the other party.

A couple of years ago a guy posted pictures of a girl here in which the name of the company she worked for was visible. Despite several complaints the pictures were not removed.

Mates, am a Londoner & in Bangkok tomorrow and day after. Wanted to explore lords, can someone give me an idea of the location to be told to cabbie so as not to get ripped off. Also any reco on any name / number of girl there would be appreciated. Much appreciate Thailand forum and contribution from all. Merry X'Mas.

Xie Xie.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2120296]Might have been a dude with a botched sex change surgery.[/QUOTE]Perhaps you noticed the narrow hips too.

[QUOTE=XRatedBangkok;2120303]Friday 22nd December and Saturday 23rd. WTF?![/QUOTE]Don't go to crazy house. Go to patpong. Spent another wonderful night a couple days ago at the patpong bars natty recommended.

Patpong gogo bars more like pattaya. Super friendly girls and decent mileage for a drink. No one pushes for drinks. My girl had 2 drinks in 2+ hours. She just wanted to hang with me cause she was having fun. She was very pleased to see a 300 baht tip when I left.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2119825]I wonder how the staff at Thermae can verify 100% that a girl is not TS or post-op? I would also like to learn this trick.[/QUOTE]Men and women have different skeletal features that can't be changed surgically. Women for example, will have broader hips than shoulders, 99% of the time. Yes, you will see biological females who have broader shoulders that are broader than their hips, but they likely have other congenital defects as well. I once had a female coworker who had distinctly broader shoulders than her hips. She was also about 4'10", weighed about 80 lbs, African American, and had natural Dee cup tits. Yeah, she was a freak of nature. But as someone else pointed out below, narrow hips are a red flag.

As for the staff at Thermae, they are Thais after all. Thai people are used to seeing ladyboys, and don't need to work in a freelance bar to recognize them.

[QUOTE=XRatedBangkok;2120303]CH charging 100 thb for entry. Friday 22nd December and Saturday 23rd. WTF?![/QUOTE]100 thb won't stop me from going anywhere. I actually like the idea, maybe the place won't be so crowded if they do that.

[QUOTE=DaveM7;2120584]Mates, am a Londoner & in Bangkok tomorrow and day after. Wanted to explore lords, can someone give me an idea of the location to be told to cabbie so as not to get ripped off. Also any reco on any name / number of girl there would be appreciated. Much appreciate Thailand forum and contribution from all. Merry X'Mas.

Xie Xie.[/QUOTE]Ask a taxi to go to the Emerald Hotel on Ratchadaphisek Road. It is a well known hotel and a very short walk to Lord from there. If you use the MRT (subway) system, get off at Huai Khwang stop and take exit #3 at that station. From there you can walk to Lord but you will also be able to check out Hi class, Emmanuelle, and some others at the same time.

[QUOTE=Allover;2120658]... If you use the MRT (subway) system, get off at Huai Khwang stop and take exit #3 at that station. From there you can walk to Lord but you will also be able to check out Hi class, Emmanuelle, and some others at the same time.[/QUOTE]Traffic can be terrible in Bangkok, so, taxi can take a long time. Per Allover's directions, I recommend the MRT. When you take exit #3, just keep walking straight ahead (south), cross a small river, and Lord is at the far end of the first building on the right.

When you return, Soi Cowboy is right where the MRT transfers to BTS. Enjoy your time in Bangkok.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Allover;2120658]Ask a taxi to go to the Emerald Hotel on Ratchadaphisek Road. It is a well known hotel and a very short walk to Lord from there. If you use the MRT (subway) system, get off at Huai Khwang stop and take exit #3 at that station. From there you can walk to Lord but you will also be able to check out Hi class, Emmanuelle, and some others at the same time.[/QUOTE]Depending on the time of day you go ( 4-7 pm is probably best) the traffic can be severe and a taxi from let's say the Sukhumvit-area can be 45 min+. In that case, I would recommend the MRT option.

Regarding a girl, my experience is that they rotate quite frequently especially on the weekends so hard to say who will be there at any given time. Also, personal preferences in looks vary a lot I recommend you see for yourself live and choose that way. Lord has so many girls in the late afternoon you will be able to find one you like.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2119986]Met up with Vlady ...

A bit disappointed that she told me she was an anal only girl.[/QUOTE]This is definitely a post-op tranny. The second photo clearly shows masculine facial characteristics but the third photo really gives it away. No curves in the body, flat arse and sinewy thighs. And Vlady isn't even a girls' name! Come on, why do you really think he's anal only?

[QUOTE=*****man;2120797]This is definitely a post-op tranny. The second photo clearly shows masculine facial characteristics but the third photo really gives it away. No curves in the body, flat arse and sinewy thighs. And Vlady isn't even a girls' name! Come on, why do you really think he's anal only?[/QUOTE]The sad part is he did DATY for 30 minutes and still couldn't figure it out. But I subscribe to the theory that if you believe it's a lady when you are doing it, and find out differently later, it's acceptable. Learn from the experience and move on. Maybe next time it will be easier to spot.

[QUOTE==*****man;2120797]This is definitely a post-op tranny. The second photo clearly shows masculine facial characteristics but the third photo really gives it away. No curves in the body, flat arse and sinewy thighs. And Vlady isn't even a girls' name! Come on, why do you really think he's anal only?[/QUOTE]Sorry those look like hips to me. Vlady is standing sideways if turned I'd think you'd see some nice hips. Also a lousy BJ, what lb give a lousy BJ. But then there is the anal only thing. I dunno. LOL.

[QUOTE=*****man;2120797]This is definitely a post-op tranny. The second photo clearly shows masculine facial characteristics but the third photo really gives it away. No curves in the body, flat arse and sinewy thighs. And Vlady isn't even a girls' name! Come on, why do you really think he's anal only?[/QUOTE]That is in no way a tranny. That looks exactly like a normal Eastern European girl. Hell those natural hanging B cups should be enough of a give away. I've looked at enough Eastern European women to tell you that is an average Eastern European female.

[QUOTE=*****man;2120797]This is definitely a post-op tranny. The second photo clearly shows masculine facial characteristics but the third photo really gives it away. No curves in the body, flat arse and sinewy thighs. And Vlady isn't even a girls' name! Come on, why do you really think he's anal only?[/QUOTE]Vlady is short for Vladimira which is definitely a girls' name. I'm not so sure she's a a post-op tranny. There are many real ladies out there with no curves, a flat arse and narrow thighs.

OTOH: anal only is of course strange and a red flag.

Kasalong first day to blow off some steam after flight. A cute young little thing called Muoy (After the wash off she sucked for Thailand and after a few short minutes I blew in her mouth, she spat and pumped a few more drops.

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] was Som, another cutie, slim, but bit older, maybe early 30's but lovely voice and eyes and sweet nature. Wanted a DT BJ but she could only manage half, which was fine as I lasted much longer (after beer it usually impairs speed I get off). She finished with oily HJ over her tits.

800 each. Would have asked Som for ST if I hadn't been so knackered after lack of sleep.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2120801]The sad part is he did DATY for 30 minutes and still couldn't figure it out. But I subscribe to the theory that if you believe it's a lady when you are doing it, and find out differently later, it's acceptable. Learn from the experience and move on. Maybe next time it will be easier to spot.[/QUOTE]Another reason why too much alcohol in the system is not good, you will end up with mongers remorse which we all have in some point or the other.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2120647]100 thb won't stop me from going anywhere. I actually like the idea, maybe the place won't be so crowded if they do that.[/QUOTE]

I'm not opposed to your line of thought. However, this is Thailand and greed rules.

If crowds don't diminish other popular gogo bars will follow with entry fees. Then the fees will increase. It's the start of a slippery slope.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2120843]Vlady is short for Vladimira.[/QUOTE]It could also be short for Vladimir.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2120920]I'm not opposed to your line of thought. However, this is Thailand and greed rules.

If crowds don't diminish other popular gogo bars will follow with entry fees. Then the fees will increase. It's the start of a slippery slope.[/QUOTE]What's wrong with a cover charge? It totally makes sense to have an extra stream of revenue. 90% of strip clubs in the US have cover charges and never does it stop regulars from visiting. Don't FKKs in Germany have entry charges?

It is just a matter of time before Thailand follows suit. It just makes sense.

As an Indian I was forced to buy bottled beer at every single gogo I visited even before I entered though they had draught beer specials hanging at the door. I don't mind but how long before it catches up with the rest I wondered. Huh may be not very long. Few years from now I will be that guy to say 'I told you so' while everyone has to pay to enter and I still have to pay double that. Yikes.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2120970]
As an Indian I was forced to buy bottled beer at every single gogo I visited even before I entered though they had draught beer specials hanging at the door. [/QUOTE]Which place did this? I've not seen any place with "draught beer specials" who have that policy. I have seen it at places like Baccara for sure. But I've never seen Baccara having a draught beer special either.

I've been out with enough Indians to know they are cheap as hell in general (even when they are rich). I've had Indian friends who flat out refuse to buy a drink in the bar saying "I'm not thirsty". And these are guys making well over 100,000 usd per year. It's obviously a cultural thing because I've never been out with a white guy who tried the same unethical crap.

If I were Indian, I would GLADLY play for a bottled beer upon entering with no complaints simply to show them I'm not like the others. You would immediately gain more respect and it's a trivial amount of money. As far as myself, it's extremely rare I ever walk into any bar without buying a drink within a few seconds of entering the bar so I don't see it as a big deal. 150 to 200 baht is so trivial, I don't even think twice about it.

Last night, Christmas, met a girl at Thermae. She drinking at the center bar alone. I watched as some older farang guy was trying to chat her up. I gave him about 3 minutes and then another 15 seconds as my Christmas gift to him to close the deal (I'm so generous, I know). Then I walked over there while he was babbling and told her in Thai "2500 for short time. " She smiles, turns to me, and said "okay. " We walked away and left him standing there with a beer in his hand and an awkward "what the hell just happened?" look on his face. I did tell him Merry Christmas on the way out. I'm so nice.

We decided to take a detour and get some drinks at Hooters. I had bumped up my offer to 3000. After some shots and margaritas, the girl was very tipsy. We headed to the room and no sooner than I finished taking a leak, she was passed out on the bed. I helped her out her clothes and and filled up the tub for a bath for 2. She gave me a BBBJ in the tub with CIM. She was hoping that I was a one time finisher. After the bath, she asked if she can take a nap because she was drunk. I said no problem.

About 30 minutes into her nap, my dick go hard from looking at her naked body. I woke her up and we got nasty again. She ended up staying the night, but had to work the next day. She brought clothes with just in case a customer took her long time. What a well prepared girl. The next morning I banged her again before she left.

All in all this was an average experience. 3 BBBJ with CIM, DFK, 69,2 rounds of 90 minutes sex in multiple positions, and long time sleep over for 3000 baht. I should have given her to the farang. She wasn't that pretty. I guess I was buzzing again and had beer goggles on. Boobs were too big. I like them pancake style like the ones at IHOP. Face reminded me of something like Rocky's, after Ivan the Russian beat down. And her body, yuck! I guess round firm asses are in style now days. I still like ones with a sag to them. Just because I'm the nice guy I am. She asked to exchange LINE, and I did. Deep down I thought "what a waste of memory on my iPhone.

I was able to snap some photos, so you guys can see what type of charity case I did when I'm in the Christmas mood. By the way, my teddy bear didn't give consent to be photo, so if you feel sympathy for the teddy bear. Feel free to flag me and have a moderator look at it. Maybe next Christmas, I will have better luck with a better girl.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2120828]Sorry those look like hips to me. Vlady is standing sideways if turned I'd think you'd see some nice hips. Also a lousy BJ, what lb give a lousy BJ. But then there is the anal only thing. I dunno. LOL.[/QUOTE]Don't try to argue with these guys. At first I used to think they were bitter at me. But now I come to realize they are like gods, and know everything about the Thailand and apparently the Russian sex scene.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2120249]I have reported his post to Admin for taking and posting pictures without the consent of the other party. Hopefully it will be deleted quickly before too much damage is done to her.[/QUOTE]Admin don't give a shit about that, as long as she is not below age.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2120272]Perhaps she is anal only for guys with small dicks? It's possible she took one look at his dick and realized he wouldn't feel anything if using her pussy. I find it hard to believe she would be anal only for every guy, including guys with large penises. Like you say, her ass would be ragged.

How much do free lance Russian chicks cost in Bangkok anyway? I've seen plenty of them but never met one I liked enough to try.[/QUOTE]You crack me up. Ridiculous assumptions. Some girls have large a holes well accustomed to dicks (of any size) even though I almost never get offered anal. Girls with damaged uterus could easily prefer anal fucking. I have certainly been offered anal on a rare occasion when girl's pussy was out of action, by a girl who did anal frequently.

You just can't rule out easy possibilities. Yes anal may be more comfortable than pussy fucking in some circumstances. I have met plenty of girls scared to take a dick fully in the pussy.

[QUOTE=*****man;2120797]This is definitely a post-op tranny. The second photo clearly shows masculine facial characteristics but the third photo really gives it away. No curves in the body, flat arse and sinewy thighs. And Vlady isn't even a girls' name! Come on, why do you really think he's anal only?[/QUOTE]Arrogant twaddle! Ridiculous assumptions likewise. You did not examine the pussy! I wonder if you post this only to be provocative.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2120970]What's wrong with a cover charge? It totally makes sense to have an extra stream of revenue. 90% of strip clubs in the US have cover charges and never does it stop regulars from visiting. Don't FKKs in Germany have entry charges?

It is just a matter of time before Thailand follows suit. It just makes sense.[/QUOTE]Yes the FKKs have entry charges but they don't have barfines. And neither have the strip clubs in the US I guess but I've never been there.

As long as the bars in Thailand maintain the bar fine system it doesn't make sense to me to ask for a cover charge on top of that. Unless they see it as a way to extort even more money from us than they already do LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2121151]I have met plenty of girls scared to take a dick fully in the pussy.[/QUOTE]And how many of those "scared" girls asked you to take them up the ass rather than the pussy? The Vegas odds are on that number being zero or close to it.

I was in Bangkok a few weeks ago and I wanted to try something different then the usual Asian girls. I have always seen the African street walkers and I was a bit intimidated to try them out. But this trip I thought I would like to try out some dark chocolate. I searched online for a few girls and after talking to a few African girls over the phone I was very interested with Jennifer since she was very polite over the phone and had a great attitude. So I thought why not invite her to my hotel room.

It turned out that Jenifer was a superstar in the bedroom. We met at my hotel lobby and had a few drinks were we chatted and got to know her which was great since she can have a proper conversation with her unlike some other girls you get in Bangkok. After a few drinks we went up to my room. She had an amazing body with HUGE tits I think they were size GG or something like that. You can see from the picture. Right before we started she got a towel from the bathroom to put under her. I was surprised and asked her why? She Said that she was a Squirter. When she said that it was like the heavens opened up and dropped this angle to me. She just had to play with her pussy abit and she would start dripping her juices all over. It was amazing how wet she was. Then I took over and played with her clit till she had a crazy explosion it was amazing. Then we did it in a many positions. She loved doggy since I had a huge mirror next to my bed and she loved looking at herself getting fucked. She even was squirting while I was fucking her it was amazing.

I enjoyed my time with her so much that I invited her for the second time.

Definitely a 10/10 when it came to GFE.

I'm willing to share her contact details if you PM me. She is really worth it if you are in Bangkok and interested in something different.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2120564]Please read the last paragraph of post #40043 in this thread. Thanks you.[/QUOTE]Thanks for pointing that out. Its easy for something to be missed in these forums. Unfortunately, all my contacts to share would be in Jakarta and San Francisco. The only things I could share are freelancers and gogo girls I have spoken to on Line but haven't seen. I believe at your level of thai mongering, sending you such info would be an insult! Haha.

So, sadly, I do not qualify for your direct referrals at this time. Hopefully I can pick up a contact while there which you like (I am of like mind- quality over everything else).

On a side note, thanks for keeping it real in here. Ignore the retarded haters man. They are just trying to male themselves feel better. Of course game is involved in P2P! Are you kidding me? I'm a fairly handsome, personal 30 year old dude and I get way better services and better prices than the ugly, socially awkward dudes. Its common sense. Just how an office worker would take a job they love for 80% of the salary of a job they hate, or how a maid is going to quit her job or half ass it when she is bitched at but is willing to be a live-in nanny and suck your dick when you treat her right. Every. Single. Industry. Has its biases, and its dumb to think otherwise. Even the check out lady at the grocery store scans extra coupons when you flirt with her.

So fuck the haters man. Your info is good. Your pics are fine (for gawds sake people, these girls stand half naked on the street corner like a big neon sign that says "I take the dick for cash" and we are afraid someone will see them?

Keep on keepin' on.

And expect a flurry of FL pics once I land in Bangkok for New Years haha. Maybe one will strike your fancy!

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2121130]Last night, Christmas, met a girl at Thermae. She drinking at the center bar alone. I watched as some older farang guy was trying to chat her up. I gave him about 3 minutes and then another 15 seconds as my Christmas gift to him to close the deal (I'm so generous, I know). Then I walked over there while he was babbling and told her in Thai "2500 for short time. " She smiles, turns to me, and said "okay. " We walked away and left him standing there with a beer in his hand and an awkward "what the hell just happened?" look on his face. I did tell him Merry Christmas on the way out. I'm so nice.

We decided to take a detour and get some drinks at Hooters. I had bumped up my offer to 3000. After some shots and margaritas, the girl was very tipsy. We headed to the room and no sooner than I finished taking a leak, she was passed out on the bed. I helped her out her clothes and and filled up the tub for a bath for 2. She gave me a BBBJ in the tub with CIM. She was hoping that I was a one time finisher. After the bath, she asked if she can take a nap because she was drunk. I said no problem.

About 30 minutes into her nap, my dick go hard from looking at her naked body. I woke her up and we got nasty again. She ended up staying the night, but had to work the next day. She brought clothes with just in case a customer took her long time. What a well prepared girl. The next morning I banged her again before she left.

All in all this was an average experience. 3 BBBJ with CIM, DFK, 69,2 rounds of 90 minutes sex in multiple positions, and long time sleep over for 3000 baht. I should have given her to the farang. She wasn't that pretty. I guess I was buzzing again and had beer goggles on. Boobs were too big. I like them pancake style like the ones at IHOP. Face reminded me of something like Rocky's, after Ivan the Russian beat down. And her body, yuck! I guess round firm asses are in style now days. I still like ones with a sag to them. Just because I'm the nice guy I am. She asked to exchange LINE, and I did. Deep down I thought "what a waste of memory on my iPhone.

I was able to snap some photos, so you guys can see what type of charity case I did when I'm in the Christmas mood. By the way, my teddy bear didn't give consent to be photo, so if you feel sympathy for the teddy bear. Feel free to flag me and have a moderator look at it. Maybe next Christmas, I will have better luck with a better girl.[/QUOTE]I guess we all have our own tastes. Gal has a magnificent body, well that is if she was child free and I imagine she was, but I just don't like the facial work, namely the nose jobs, botox, and rear jaw shaving that you see so much in Thermae and GoGos like Sensations in Pattaya. It's a shame these gals feel the need to alter themselves in that way. There is one older gal in Tmae that is a plastic surgery nightmare. Looks like something out of a horror movie. Many of these gals will end up like that if they continue down that road.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2121473]I just don't like the facial work.[/QUOTE]I'm with you. I don't like those post-op chicks either. To each his own.

[QUOTE=Dog7979;2121432]Thanks for pointing that out. Its easy for something to be missed in these forums. Unfortunately, all my contacts to share would be in Jakarta and San Francisco. The only things I could share are freelancers and gogo girls I have spoken to on Line but haven't seen. I believe at your level of thai mongering, sending you such info would be an insult! Haha.

So, sadly, I do not qualify for your direct referrals at this time. Hopefully I can pick up a contact while there which you like (I am of like mind- quality over everything else).

On a side note, thanks for keeping it real in here. Ignore the retarded haters man. They are just trying to male themselves feel better. Of course game is involved in P2P! Are you kidding me? I'm a fairly handsome, personal 30 year old dude and I get way better services and better prices than the ugly, socially awkward dudes. Its common sense. Just how an office worker would take a job they love for 80% of the salary of a job they hate, or how a maid is going to quit her job or half ass it when she is bitched at but is willing to be a live-in nanny and suck your dick when you treat her right. Every. Single. Industry. Has its biases, and its dumb to think otherwise. Even the check out lady at the grocery store scans extra coupons when you flirt with her.[/QUOTE]I'm in Bangkok until the 3rd near Soi Cowboy, then headed to Pattaya. Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2121130]Last night, Christmas, met a girl at Thermae. She drinking at the center bar alone. I watched as some older farang guy was trying to chat her up. I gave him about 3 minutes and then another 15 seconds as my Christmas gift to him to close the deal (I'm so generous, I know). Then I walked over there while he was babbling and told her in Thai "2500 for short time. " She smiles, turns to me, and said "okay. " We walked away and left him standing there with a beer in his hand and an awkward "what the hell just happened?" look on his face. I did tell him Merry Christmas on the way out. I'm so nice...[/QUOTE]Dang, are girls like this common at thermae. Going to have to check it out when I get there, she fits my type a lot. Would totally LT barfine. Curious how you went from 2500ST and got her to agree to 3000 LT? Was your place really swanky and she needed a place to crash or was your game just on point? Seems weird a girl would accept going for 3-4 x the length for an extra 20%.

[QUOTE=Dog7979;2121432]I'm a fairly handsome, personal 30 year old dude and I get way better services and better prices than the ugly, socially awkward dudes. Its common sense. Just how an office worker would take a job they love for 80% of the salary of a job they hate, or how a maid is going to quit her job or half ass it when she is bitched at but is willing to be a live-in nanny and suck your dick when you treat her right. Every. Single. Industry. Has its biases, and its dumb to think otherwise. Even the check out lady at the grocery store scans extra coupons when you flirt with her. Your pics are fine (for gawds sake people, these girls stand half naked on the street corner like a big neon sign that says "I take the dick for cash" and we are afraid someone will see them?[/QUOTE]Ah, 30, still wet behind the ears young man. One of the reasons for choosing BKK as a place to reside in my mid-30's was the fact that the 50 and 60 year old dudes had most of the hottest gals. Even at my young age I realized youth would not be around for ever and I wanted to locate in a place where I could have fun well into middle age and beyond.

Yes, every industry has competition, but remember in the P4 P world we are the customers; they are the providers. We are not there to romance them, nor to be of service to them. But these gals know their customers, and if they think you need your ego fed they are certainly going to make sure you feel that "you got game" and make you work for it. It's their business to know their customers.

It's a real shame that so many of you were not able to experience BKK's P4 P scene as it was about 20 years ago. When you took a gal from a GoGo she was always making a sales pitch to you and trying to impress you. She'd often go to take her shower first and you'd find your toothbrush with toothpaste already on it and after your shower you would return to see all your clothes folded. Customer service was the rule. The only "game" involved was the competition between the gals to get customers. In turn, there was almost zero competition between punters for gals. As prices increased, attitudes did as well, and the level of service decreased. That kind of defeats the purpose. Why bother to pay then? One of the points of P4 P is its ease. Sadly now the "game" factor has bled over into the Asian P4 P industry with lots of dudes who feel they have something to prove, which honestly, I just can't get my head around.

And don't kid yourself; I met very few socially awkward guys over here. Most were either successful expats on very good packages, retirees with money, or younger guys who had already made their cash and wanted to have fun.

[QUOTE=Dog7979;2121432] Ignore the retarded haters man. [/QUOTE]It is no longer a matter of him ignoring anyone who offers an alternative view of his opinions and assertions. Apparently, someone is so terrified of other posters differing with him they have rigged the forum so as to make his posts invisible to some of us and, I am sure, our posts invisible to him. LOL. Don't know if he pulled that off himself or if someone else has done that for him.

However, we do still see his posts when they are quoted by others who must not be thought as emotionally fragile and in need of the protection. That being the case, I am glad to see he has decided to take our earlier wise advice to stop chasing only the so-called Top Quality girls in terms of looks who are far more likely to be lousy in bed and start enjoying some Real GFE sex with girls of a lesser level of attractiveness. Must have gotten horny enough for genuine sexual co-mingling to give that a go. Good for him for finally seeing the light. Actually, it didn't take very long at all.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2121510]rigged the forum so as to make his posts invisible to some of us[/QUOTE]It seems he's just moderated by Admin, where Admin has to approve his post. Hence his reports will come up a day or two late.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2121510]It is no longer a matter of him ignoring anyone who offers an alternative view of his opinions and assertions.[/QUOTE]I see it as the opposite. To me his posts do provide substance if you can ignore the bragging part.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2121524]It seems he's just moderated by Admin, where Admin has to approve his post. Hence his reports will come up a day or two late.[/QUOTE]Hmm. That might be the case for you. But if that were the case for me then by the time other people are seeing his posts and quoting from them I ought to be able to see them too or at least click on View Original Post in that quote and see them that way, right? But doing that doesn't take me to the original post. I just scanned back 6 pages of posts, as far back as Dec. 20th and there is no visible original MonkeyPaw post anywhere along the way for me.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2121473] There is one older gal in Tmae that is a plastic surgery nightmare.[/QUOTE]She's the one who's always wearing a hat right? Damn she's extremely ugly.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2121551]Hmm. That might be the case for you. But if that were the case for me then by the time other people are seeing his posts and quoting from them I ought to be able to see them too or at least click on View Original Post in that quote and see them that way, right? But doing that doesn't take me to the original post. I just scanned back 6 pages of posts, as far back as Dec. 20th and there is no visible original MonkeyPaw post anywhere along the way for me.[/QUOTE]OK. Logic would dictate that MonkeyPaw is on your ignore list. You can check that list by going to "Settings" and then go to "Edit Ignore List".

Is he on it? And you never placed him there? Then my guest is that Admin or somebody? placed him on there. Maybe Admin did that when he modified some posts earlier when there was arguing / flaming going on. Not sure.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2121563]OK. Logic would dictate that MonkeyPaw is on your ignore list. You can check that list by going to "Settings" and then go to "Edit Ignore List".

Is he on it? And you never placed him there? Then my guest is that Admin or somebody? placed him on there. Maybe Admin did that when he modified some posts earlier when there was arguing / flaming going on. Not sure.[/QUOTE]Yes, I checked my Ignore list in settings a few days ago for that reason and, as always, I don't have anyone on my Ignore list. BTW, I can't imagine a reason to put someone on Ignore anyway. Never done it on any forum.

Thinking of heading to Bangkok for some fun in late March. Where is the best place to find girls that will fuck bare (no raincoat) and take loads of cum in their pussy? I prefer younger girls 18-24 or so, and petite spinners. !

[QUOTE=DFWdude;2121722]Thinking of heading to Bangkok for some fun in late March. Where is the best place to find girls that will fuck bare (no raincoat) and take loads of cum in their pussy? I prefer younger girls 18-24 or so, and petite spinners. ![/QUOTE]Good luck! Thailand is not Germany, no RTC here. No place is the best place for BBFS, you must to hunting and try your luck around with freelancers, gogo girls, massage girls, etc. Been a regular customer with a girl help for BBFS IME.

I have had some luck in China town and soi 4. Not as good as it used to be. I used a microbicide gel and that helped, now there is pre exposure prophilaxis but the girls don't under stand that one yet. Also, you can offer a tip , some girls on soi 4 have a scam, , offering it with 500 thb extra i dont go to the bars or massage parlors so i dont about them.

[QUOTE=Lee66;2121755]I have had some luck in China town and soi 4. Not as good as it used to be. I used a microbicide gel and that helped, now there is pre exposure prophilaxis but the girls don't under stand that one yet. Also, you can offer a tip , some girls on soi 4 have a scam, , offering it with 500 thb extra i dont go to the bars or massage parlors so i dont about them.[/QUOTE]Why would offering BBFS for an extra 500 baht be a scam? Or do they play some kind of bait and switch trick after you agree that you didn't mention? I only wish such a thing was as openly available for just an additional 500 baht as A+ Level Service is in some places. I can see it on the menu; "500 Baht Surcharge With a Recent, Less Than Two Months, Normal/Negative HIV Blood Check Document From One of Our Preferred Facilities. ".

When the navel gazing generation Y understand the P4P world they will realize that working girls generally avoid these youngsters. From having spoken to countless girls over the years I know this as fact and I'll tell you why.

Firstly they are a lousy shag, all dick and no brain. They finish quickly which is usually a plus for the lady but they are never satisfied and so the lady endures endless senseless pounding before being able to get out of there.

Now comes payment, being the arrogant self-styled young stud he believes himself to be he feels rather than paying her she should be honored that he choose to spend his precious time with her and getting all of her money can sometimes be a problem.

Thirdly their self-centered ego allows them to have no interest in their companion instead she has to listen to endless banal claptrap about his often imaginary achievements.

Generosity, respect, hygiene, sense of humor, being a considerate experienced lover comes before age and yes I have often got the eye from a young lady being chatted up by a boring 30 year old.

Now just to be clear I'm talking here about the P4 P scene. When it comes to normal dating certainly the kids have the edge with younger professional educated Thai girls.

However even here the arrogant conceited know all will face the same challenges when his personality becomes known.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2121969]Why would offering BBFS for an extra 500 baht be a scam? [/QUOTE]Sounds fair to me.

[QUOTE=Lee66;2121755]I have had some luck in China town [/QUOTE]Where's the action in China town haven't tried that yet thanks.

On soi 4 I went st for 1200 thb with 3 girls. A about 3 times. Next day I went with new girl she want 1000 for st I said with or without she say with of course, I told her I use microbicde gel instead, of condom, she says can not. Later same night I pass walking and she says 1500, I say ok. We go. A fe w Days later I went with one I went with before for 1200 , we go and when finish she say 1700. She say some story about her rent is due. I think a lot of girks there know each other, most other girls need condom so I left. Went to ac, never had a problem till 3 months ago. Men sex men spreading hiv, the "clinic" the girls go to seems to have failed to tell them who was largely responsible for the big increase in hiv rate in that country. A lot of girls were wanting guys to use condom, but when take them, they don't mention it, so for me. It was business as usual.

[QUOTE=Lee66;2122067]On soi 4 I went st for 1200 thb with 3 girls. A about 3 times. Next day I went with new girl she want 1000 for st I said with or without she say with of course, I told her I use microbicde gel instead, of condom, she says can not. Later same night I pass walking and she says 1500, I say ok. We go. A fe w Days later I went with one I went with before for 1200 , we go and when finish she say 1700. She say some story about her rent is due. I think a lot of girks there know each other, most other girls need condom so I left. Went to ac, never had a problem till 3 months ago. Men sex men spreading hiv, the "clinic" the girls go to seems to have failed to tell them who was largely responsible for the big increase in hiv rate in that country. A lot of girls were wanting guys to use condom, but when take them, they don't mention it, so for me. It was business as usual.[/QUOTE]Just read your post. It is so tempting. Could you tell which microbicde gel are you using?

Thanks.

Jb.

[QUOTE=Lee66;2122067]On soi 4 I went st for 1200 thb with 3 girls. A about 3 times. Next day I went with new girl she want 1000 for st I said with or without she say with of course, I told her I use microbicde gel instead, of condom, she says can not. Later same night I pass walking and she says 1500, I say ok. We go. A fe w Days later I went with one I went with before for 1200 , we go and when finish she say 1700. She say some story about her rent is due. I think a lot of girks there know each other, most other girls need condom so I left. Went to ac, never had a problem till 3 months ago. Men sex men spreading hiv, the "clinic" the girls go to seems to have failed to tell them who was largely responsible for the big increase in hiv rate in that country. A lot of girls were wanting guys to use condom, but when take them, they don't mention it, so for me. It was business as usual.[/QUOTE]1200 thb most I've ever been quoted on Soi 4 is 1000ST sometimes less and always goood.

The clinics have been counselling the girls on condoms in Thailand and Philippines and probably worldwide grr. Fortunately they don't provide them with rent checks and shopping money.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2122007]When the navel gazing generation Y understand the P4P world they will realize that working girls generally avoid these youngsters. From having spoken to countless girls over the years I know this as fact and I'll tell you why.

Firstly they are a lousy shag, all dick and no brain. They finish quickly which is usually a plus for the lady but they are never satisfied and so the lady endures endless senseless pounding before being able to get out of there.

Now comes payment, being the arrogant self-styled young stud he believes himself to be he feels rather than paying her she should be honored that he choose to spend his precious time with her and getting all of her money can sometimes be a problem.

Thirdly their self-centered ego allows them to have no interest in their companion instead she has to listen to endless banal claptrap about his often imaginary achievements.

Generosity, respect, hygiene, sense of humor, being a considerate experienced lover comes before age and yes I have often got the eye from a young lady being chatted up by a boring 30 year old.

Now just to be clear I'm talking here about the P4 P scene. When it comes to normal dating certainly the kids have the edge with younger professional educated Thai girls.

However even here the arrogant conceited know all will face the same challenges when his personality becomes known.[/QUOTE]This is not an inaccurate generalization whatsoever / s.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2122007]When the navel gazing generation Y understand the P4P world they will realize that working girls generally avoid these youngsters. From having spoken to countless girls over the years I know this as fact and I'll tell you why.

Firstly they are a lousy shag, all dick and no brain. They finish quickly which is usually a plus for the lady but they are never satisfied and so the lady endures endless senseless pounding before being able to get out of there.

Now comes payment, being the arrogant self-styled young stud he believes himself to be he feels rather than paying her she should be honored that he choose to spend his precious time with her and getting all of her money can sometimes be a problem.

Thirdly their self-centered ego allows them to have no interest in their companion instead she has to listen to endless banal claptrap about his often imaginary achievements.

Generosity, respect, hygiene, sense of humor, being a considerate experienced lover comes before age and yes I have often got the eye from a young lady being chatted up by a boring 30 year old.

Now just to be clear I'm talking here about the P4 P scene. When it comes to normal dating certainly the kids have the edge with younger professional educated Thai girls.

However even here the arrogant conceited know all will face the same challenges when his personality becomes known.[/QUOTE]Look. Some older people are rotten, some younger people are rotten. Don't act like people's worth depends on their age.

[QUOTE=Dog7979;2122195]This is not an inaccurate generalization whatsoever / s.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are correct. It is an accurate generalization.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2122007]When the navel gazing generation Y understand the P4P world they will realize that working girls generally avoid these youngsters. From having spoken to countless girls over the years I know this as fact and I'll tell you why.

Firstly they are a lousy shag, all dick and no brain. They finish quickly which is usually a plus for the lady but they are never satisfied and so the lady endures endless senseless pounding before being able to get out of there.

Now comes payment, being the arrogant self-styled young stud he believes himself to be he feels rather than paying her she should be honored that he choose to spend his precious time with her and getting all of her money can sometimes be a problem.

Thirdly their self-centered ego allows them to have no interest in their companion instead she has to listen to endless banal claptrap about his often imaginary achievements.

Generosity, respect, hygiene, sense of humor, being a considerate experienced lover comes before age and yes I have often got the eye from a young lady being chatted up by a boring 30 year old.

Now just to be clear I'm talking here about the P4 P scene. When it comes to normal dating certainly the kids have the edge with younger professional educated Thai girls.

However even here the arrogant conceited know all will face the same challenges when his personality becomes known.[/QUOTE]So true. When I was younger and first visited Asia, I thought the girls should be charging me far less than they charged the ugly, fat, bald, old dudes. Now I realize that they should have been charging me more because I was shagging the hell out of them. Now that I'm old, I'm one and done very quickly for the most part. Easy money for them. The last thing those working girls need is a sore pussy from a hard all night shagging.

[QUOTE=Lee66;2121755]I have had some luck in China town and soi 4. Not as good as it used to be. I used a microbicide gel and that helped, now there is pre exposure prophilaxis but the girls don't under stand that one yet. Also, you can offer a tip , some girls on soi 4 have a scam, , offering it with 500 thb extra i dont go to the bars or massage parlors so i dont about them.[/QUOTE]It's only a scam because you don't to want to pay more. However in truth, girl has extra risk of catching a simple STD like Gonnoreah so she accordingly ups the price. Basic STDs are still relatively easy to catch with girls doing a lot of barebacking or visa versa. Girls that bareback for many years will have a reasonable chance of HIV (if unlucky) although it has been declining.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2122133]1200 thb most I've ever been quoted on Soi 4 is 1000ST sometimes less and always goood.

The clinics have been counselling the girls on condoms in Thailand and Philippines and probably worldwide grr. [/QUOTE]Ha ha sounds like bullshit. You probably mean you never paid more than 1000. Plenty of better looking girls on Soi 4 are asking for 1500, as their starting price. I have the experience. I don't know if all will go down to 1000. The attempted price may be something to do with how the customer looks, I don't know, however I speak to them only in Thai. I have not been with a huge number of Soi 4 girls in recent times. All but one was disappointing in performance or standard of the body once the clothes came off. I don't like the general quickie attitude which may be OK for some. Still you get what you pay for.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2121473]I guess we all have our own tastes. Gal has a magnificent body, well that is if she was child free and I imagine she was, but I just don't like the facial work, namely the nose jobs, botox, and rear jaw shaving that you see so much in Thermae and GoGos like Sensations in Pattaya. It's a shame these gals feel the need to alter themselves in that way. There is one older gal in Tmae that is a plastic surgery nightmare. Looks like something out of a horror movie. Many of these gals will end up like that if they continue down that road.[/QUOTE]Just one horror in Thermae? LOL For once I mainly agree with you, except that I don't have problem with girls with babies if damage is very low. I do like immaculate figures where possible. It is a major turn on for me, more so than the services provided. Obviously I need some skills or enthusiasm too. The simple reason is that very few of my regular girls are childless. Girls with babies are less scared of dick and on average are much better fucks for me. Experienced girls tend to be better. I do have one regular aged 21 with no child, a fairly wild and energetic fucker, definitely likes a good fuck, even though she cums only sometimes maybe 30 to 40% (she doesn't see the need to lie about it), but I have known her since Crazy House first opened so she is experienced from a very young age. LOL She is much more horny if did not fuck for a few days. Stands to reason.

For me trying a new girl, risk of bad session is just so much higher with childless girls, however that maybe just for me. As years go by I see that I am dissatisfied with a first time experience more and more easily. I am sure the problem is mine in that I can get put off the experience more and more easily, where a young guy is so horny, almost nothing will upset his enjoyment. Almost every girl was good when I was 35. LOL Dick scared girls have got more and more prevalent. I just can't work out why that is. Probably just means the girls do not have the same mindset to enjoy themselves. Now I have very few regulars left.

Unlike you, I am not looking for just a service. I like girls that are into enjoying sex. I never seem to enjoy that much, if girls are not into it. My psychological problem. Hence my difficulty to find enough great girls.

I do think the percentage of hookers willing to enjoy sex has decreased a lot over the years. Perhaps correlated to my increasing age, I don't know. Perhaps I am less easily fooled. However very smart girls know how to play sweet to me to get me hooked if they want me again. One girl likes to tongue kiss me a real lot, more than expected. I don't know if that is just from being a smart worker or she really is into it a bit. Is orgasmic on the bed from DATY.

Maybe the attitude to guys looking for P4 P has changed a lot. In old days the girls may have been looking for prospective boyfriends or benefactors, but less so in the modern day. Not easy to understand completely why the change.

A bit of Thai Culture for the Newbies:

All my regular girls sent me a Happy Christmas message. Ha ha. In the very old days, girls did not even know which day was Christmas since it is not a Thai thing. 25 years ago, Christmas decorations appeared before Christmas for the tourists but on Christmas day, absolutely nothing happened. Thais of course celebrate and give gifts on New Year's Eve. That is the day to wish your Thai girls Happy New Year. In Thai we have the expression "Sor Khor Sor" (using greeting cards or e-cards) which is abbreviated form of "Song Khwaam Suk" which literally means "Send Happiness"

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2122347]Just one horror in Thermae? LOL For once I mainly agree with you, except that I don't have problem with girls with babies if damage is very low. I do like immaculate figures where possible. It is a major turn on for me, more so than the services provided. Obviously I need some skills or enthusiasm too. The simple reason is that very few of my regular girls are childless. Girls with babies are less scared of dick and on average are much better fucks for me. Experienced girls tend to be better. I do have one regular aged 21 with no child, a fairly wild and energetic fucker, definitely likes a good fuck, even though she cums only sometimes maybe 30 to 40% (she doesn't see the need to lie about it), but I have known her since Crazy House first opened so she is experienced from a very young age. LOL She is much more horny if did not fuck for a few days. Stands to reason.

For me trying a new girl, risk of bad session is just so much higher with childless girls, however that maybe just for me. As years go by I see that I am dissatisfied with a first time experience more and more easily. I am sure the problem is mine in that I can get put off the experience more and more easily, where a young guy is so horny, almost nothing will upset his enjoyment. Almost every girl was good when I was 35. LOL Dick scared girls have got more and more prevalent. I just can't work out why that is. Probably just means the girls do not have the same mindset to enjoy themselves. Now I have very few regulars left.

Unlike you, I am not looking for just a service. I like girls that are into enjoying sex. I never seem to enjoy that much, if girls are not into it. My psychological problem. Hence my difficulty to find enough great girls.

I do think the percentage of hookers willing to enjoy sex has decreased a lot over the years. Perhaps correlated to my increasing age, I don't know. Perhaps I am less easily fooled. However very smart girls know how to play sweet to me to get me hooked if they want me again. One girl likes to tongue kiss me a real lot, more than expected. I don't know if that is just from being a smart worker or she really is into it a bit. Is orgasmic on the bed from DATY.

Maybe the attitude to guys looking for P4 P has changed a lot. In old days the girls may have been looking for prospective boyfriends or benefactors, but less so in the modern day. Not easy to understand completely why the change.[/QUOTE]Actually I am not just about service, and as I get into my 50's I am finding that looks are more important than they used to be. Yes, it is a lot better if the gal enjoys herself, or at least pretends to do so.

Your last sentence sums it up. Back in the day the idea was to land a boyfriend / husband who would "take care. " If you did not land one by late 20's; well, they were kind of out of luck. Every gal you took was making a sales pitch to you and showing you what you would get if she was your choice for a GF / wife.

Now, with the big money these gals make that has changed. All they care about is that quick big buck. They think it is going to last forever, but it's not. I saw a lot of gals in Sensations Pattaya that were near or at their expiration dates. And, most Asian dudes are not going to enter into long term relationships with P4 P gals and the gals know this, so service has changed accordingly. I think some of these gals are going to have a bit of a struggle as they get into their 30's and put on 10 kilos.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2122347]In old days the girls may have been looking for prospective boyfriends or benefactors, but less so in the modern day. Not easy to understand completely why the change.[/QUOTE]I think the profile of girls has changed significantly, especially in the freelancer scene. In the past there was a fair number of younger girls (mid-late 20's who think they're getting old), part-timers, dabblers and in-betweeners. Even full-time bargirls often saw hooking as a temporary stopgap, and were looking to get out.

For the last few years, we've mostly been getting the bottom of the barrel hardcore hookers who don't really want or see a way out, have major issues are not good enough to snag a BF / husband (even among the gullible Farang) and have resigned to the fact that they can't cope with the "normal" world anymore. Few of them can even manage to be convincingly nice for a short time session, let along longer.

Moreover, as Goatscrot said, going rates are so high these days that a day of several minimum-effort short times far exceed benefits of snagging a punter for several days or longer. Demand is high enough and supply limited enough that even average girls can get enough customers at these inflated prices.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2122636]I think the profile of girls has changed significantly, especially in the freelancer scene. In the past there was a fair number of younger girls (mid-late 20's who think they're getting old), part-timers, dabblers and in-betweeners. Even full-time bargirls often saw hooking as a temporary stopgap, and were looking to get out.

For the last few years, we've mostly been getting the bottom of the barrel hardcore hookers who don't really want or see a way out, have major issues are not good enough to snag a BF / husband (even among the gullible Farang) and have resigned to the fact that they can't cope with the "normal" world anymore. Few of them can even manage to be convincingly nice for a short time session, let along longer.

Moreover, as Goatscrot said, going rates are so high these days that a day of several minimum-effort short times far exceed benefits of snagging a punter for several days or longer. Demand is high enough and supply limited enough that even average girls can get enough customers at these inflated prices.[/QUOTE]Post of distinction there, Crocodilexp. I might only add that for the somewhat emotionally sound as well as the severely emotionally stunted girls (and us too, I suppose), many needs in that department can now be met via their smartphone/Line/Facebook/etc., where in the past many girls might have felt a genuine emotional need to simply spend time with another person in close proximity, overnight, a couple of days at a time and so on for the company, because they were lonely. So they were required to be on their better behavior just to be invited.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2122641]Post of distinction there, Crocodilexp. I might only add that for the somewhat emotionally sound as well as the severely emotionally stunted girls (and us too, I suppose), many needs in that department can now be met via their smartphone/Line/Facebook/etc., where in the past many girls might have felt a genuine emotional need to simply spend time with another person in close proximity, overnight, a couple of days at a time and so on for the company, because they were lonely. So they were required to be on their better behavior just to be invited.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree. Some very good points made by Crocodile and the Goat.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2122361]Actually I am not just about service, and as I get into my 50's I am finding that looks are more important than they used to be. Yes, it is a lot better if the gal enjoys herself, or at least pretends to do so.

I think some of these gals are going to have a bit of a struggle as they get into their 30's and put on 10 kilos.[/QUOTE]I have found that having got used to doing pretty girls and girls with great bodies, there is just no excitement coming from a naked girl with a sloppy body or disaster body. I am not blind, still affected a lot by visuals. Still having a great preference for enthusiastic girls, or even shy girls that let themselves go.

Soi 4 has a lot of girls on the street with less than great bodies. Isn't that easy to find a girl there with a great body and also enthusiasm and good GFE. The very low prices like 1 K or so are just not enough for me to want this the low standard. I am just too picky. Maybe the technique should be "scatter gun". Just try them all and if no good, not so much money blown. LOL I gave away the only girl met that was a good fuck, purely because her looks were not good enough to keep be horny for her, and she started to get more mercenary, wanting more money based on longer than average sessions. In the end a cheap fuck but not exciting enough.

Thermae has proved to be a difficult hunting ground for me. Hard to find natural great body enthusiastic girls, with a sweet GFE attitude. Even the way the girls talk to me, puts me off a lot. Very sceptical and business like attitudes showing. If I was less concerned about the perfect body, might work better for me. Sure some girls are giving inviting glances, but typically not the girls I want, or they are just too covered up to see the body well enough.

My need to spend a lot of time evaluating girls is not suited to getting girls from the street or Thermae. It tends to be a big gamble. In the old days, we gambled and were disappointed much less often. Had some great girls from Thermae many years ago but not in the modern day. In the old days girls in Thermae had a more friendly attitude and were prepared to chat for extended time first. I did meet some real sweet girls that were only part time hookers. Not their main employment.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2122657]Thermae has proved to be a difficult hunting ground for me. Hard to find natural great body enthusiastic girls, with a sweet GFE attitude. Even the way the girls talk to me, puts me off a lot. Very sceptical and business like attitudes showing. If I was less concerned about the perfect body, might work better for me. Sure some girls are giving inviting glances, but typically not the girls I want, or they are just too covered up to see the body well enough.

My need to spend a lot of time evaluating girls is not suited to getting girls from the street or Thermae. It tends to be a big gamble. In the old days, we gambled and were disappointed much less often. Had some great girls from Thermae many years ago but not in the modern day. In the old days girls in Thermae had a more friendly attitude and were prepared to chat for extended time first. I did meet some real sweet girls that were only part time hookers. Not their main employment.[/QUOTE]Thermae was my go to spot from '99 till about '07. Just an amazing place. I was there on average 3 times a week during that time and pulled countless gals. And it was a very "fun" place. The gals wanted to have a good time and of course the punters did as well. One would stroll around the place and countless chicks would grab your unit and try to get you to take them. Also, many of them liked to drink a bit which fostered the party atmosphere and much more open sexuality than you see nowadays. There were always gals putting money in the jukebox and dancing. Of course, after the GoGos closed the place really filled up and by 3 am you could hardly move in there. For those of you who don't remember, Thermae used to close at about 6 am. Price was never an issue. All the gals were more than happy with 1 k. Attitudes were for the most part quite good and with a little alcohol to loosen them up; most of the chicks wanted to have a good ride just as much as you did. I remember one regular who used to come up, grab my arm, and say "Let's go f $$k. " My kind of gal. The clientele when I first started going was just about 100% Western.

The entire atmosphere began to change when the Japanese began coming to Thermae about 02 or so. During the initial invasion they staked out the back corner and there began to be a group of gals that were Japanese only. They tended to be far less interactive than the other girls, did not drink, and were not overtly sexual. They would stand around and wait till they were approached, always keeping a rather demure manner. Also, they were asking and getting 1500 Baht. Fast forward to '07 and the numbers of Asian punters had grown to equal or outnumber Westerners. With the closure of the Siam Hotel on Petchburi Rd, which was the Asian late night place like Thermae, most of the punters from there made the jump to Thermae, bringing with them a completely different style and attitude towards P4 P.

With the price in Thermae having risen to 1500 and with a ST hotel being 350, it was then I discovered the oilies; an hour all in for 1900 and I could blow my load more than once. For me it was a no brainer. My days as a Thermae denizen were over.

Throughout the past 10 years I revisit the place about once every other month. Khun Somchai still greets me and remembers what I drink and ask about friends I used to frequent with. One thing that hasn't changed; Thermae has the best bar staff in the city. Each time I enter the place I feel nostalgic and a bit sad. In its current state, it is the antithesis of fun. Gals stand along the booths and walls, dressed fairly conservatively, they don't drink, they try to act demure as opposed to sexually charged, and they bow and kowtow as the Asian dudes pass by, seemingly giving them the same regard as they might the vegetable aisle in the supermarket. There is very little interaction compared to the Thermae I knew and loved. And of course the prices are sky high.

It is truly an Asian man's place now. The girls are catering to the market and they know the market for the Asian dude is very different from the market for Western men. Asian men like a demure gal; Western men don't. We want to have fun. We want it to be a bit raucous. We like gals with outgoing personalities who will grab us, talk dirty to us, be sexual and somewhat hardcore from the get go, and of course deliver that GFE or PSE every time. But guys, we're not going to see that again in Thermae. It is the Asian man's place now. In fact, aside from Soi 6 in Pattaya, almost the entire P4 P scene in Thailand is Asian oriented. As I stated above, it makes me sad to see that fun disappear. Prices are one thing, and there is a correlation between rising prices and less service, but it is the fun that is really missed. RIP.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2122636]I think the profile of girls has changed significantly, especially in the freelancer scene. In the past there was a fair number of younger girls (mid-late 20's who think they're getting old), part-timers, dabblers and in-betweeners. Even full-time bargirls often saw hooking as a temporary stopgap, and were looking to get out.

For the last few years, we've mostly been getting the bottom of the barrel hardcore hookers who don't really want or see a way out, have major issues are not good enough to snag a BF / husband (even among the gullible Farang) and have resigned to the fact that they can't cope with the "normal" world anymore. Few of them can even manage to be convincingly nice for a short time session, let along longer.

Moreover, as Goatscrot said, going rates are so high these days that a day of several minimum-effort short times far exceed benefits of snagging a punter for several days or longer. Demand is high enough and supply limited enough that even average girls can get enough customers at these inflated prices.[/QUOTE]Absolutely spot on. Very well stated. As the economy improved during the late 00's and the 10's, the amount of part-timers and gals in the foreign P4 P scene in general decreased. In the current economy a Thai couple who both have degrees can easily pull in 50-60 k together and live pretty well. And as the smart phone and chat programs proliferated the number of gals working online has increased as well. I am sure there is no shortage of uni and early career gals here who have local Thai sugar daddies they met online. So yes, what we are left with in our scene is as you say, "the bottom of the barrel. " Gals who are either too lazy or not smart enough to take advantage of the opportunities given to them.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2122641]Post of distinction there, Crocodilexp.[/QUOTE]I think a report of distinction is one where some useful advice that can actually be acted on is provided, such as the name of a place, a girl, a price and the standard of service. There used to be loads of such reports on this forum but nowadays most posts are complaining about how bad everything is compared to the past, how everything has moved online and how Asian men have taken over. Do we really need to dwell on these things so much? Clearly things are not as good as the past but there is still fun to be had. To me a report of distinction should include information on where to find that fun.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2122752]
It is truly an Asian man's place now. The girls are catering to the market and they know the market for the Asian dude is very different from the market for Western men. Asian men like a demure gal; Western men don't. We want to have fun. We want it to be a bit raucous. We like gals with outgoing personalities who will grab us, talk dirty to us, be sexual and somewhat hardcore from the get go, and of course deliver that GFE or PSE every time. But guys, we're not going to see that again in Thermae. It is the Asian man's place now. In fact, aside from Soi 6 in Pattaya, almost the entire P4 P scene in Thailand is Asian oriented. As I stated above, it makes me sad to see that fun disappear. Prices are one thing, and there is a correlation between rising prices and less service, but it is the fun that is really missed. RIP.[/QUOTE]I didn't quote your entire post, but the entire post was excellent. That's a perfect synopsis of Thermae. And it's the reason I don't even waste my time going there anymore for the most part. It's simply not a fun place anymore. Any place that has been "asianized" and tailored towards asian male clientele is no fun. I'm a little surprised there are so many posts about the place recently. There are a lot better places for a westerner to go than there these days. I am like you, I like my girls to be flirty and naughty, not demure. Higher prices and boring girls are not my preference.

[QUOTE==*****man;2122781]I think a report of distinction is one where some useful advice that can actually be acted on is provided, such as the name of a place, a girl, a price and the standard of service. There used to be loads of such reports on this forum but nowadays most posts are complaining about how bad everything is compared to the past, how everything has moved online and how Asian men have taken over. Do we really need to dwell on these things so much? Clearly things are not as good as the past but there is still fun to be had. To me a report of distinction should include information on where to find that fun.[/QUOTE]Nope, I still consider it a post of distinction and one very much about why we need to deal with the realities of today's Bkk P4P scene in different ways. Particularly this part:

[QUOTE=Crocodile]For the last few years, we've mostly been getting the bottom of the barrel hardcore hookers who don't really want or see a way out, have major issues are not good enough to snag a BF / husband (even among the gullible Farang) and have resigned to the fact that they can't cope with the "normal" world anymore. Few of them can even manage to be convincingly nice for a short time session, let along longer. [/QUOTE]Realizing that is much closer to the state of things now fits quite nicely with my oft-repeated position that negotiating "For what?" in much more detail than most punters thought they needed to and not just for or primarily regarding the "How much?" part is a far more effective way to get what you want. Might not have had to do that in the past. But today I think it is almost mandatory. The above quote from Crocodilexp along with what he referenced Goatscrot saying about it illustrates very well why that would be the case, imo.

Hi guys,

Finally tried SP in J nagar, has very good taste on girls he deals! Can exchange with some good FRs.

If I may weigh in on the topic of change, yes the world has changed.

Can we not just accept it and stop whining.

Why shouldn't the girl's prefer Asian customers who pay more and are easier to deal with? What were you expecting, they would still prefer the farang who's living in the past expecting what he experienced 10 years ago. . They have copped on to where the money is. Wouldn't you in your business do exactly the same?

Instead lets those of us who live here celebrate that we still live in an amazing country where you can get pussy 24 hours a day from stunning 20 something year old, has the best food in the world (OK maybe Japan has better) has great health care and by in large has the nicest people in the world.

It's almost 2018 , change will continue maybe even more so than in the past, we need to get used to it.

Thanks a ton for this post. This is truly a post of distinction. When I first went to thermae the culture of the place seemed to be an oddity. Everywhere else girls were grabbing you from streets, here they seemed to be very passive. Usual punters blamed on girls being cold / lazy. I had suspected it to be because of something related to Asian / Jap dating scene. This post clears out why Thermae has this distinctive culture and it's ladies being so different. I would take a guess that lots of girls are part timers.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2122752]Thermae was my go to spot from '99 till about '07. Just an amazing place. I was there on average 3 times a week during that time and pulled countless gals. And it was a very "fun" place. The gals wanted to have a good time and of course the punters did as well. One would stroll around the place and countless chicks would grab your unit and try to get you to take them. Also, many of them liked to drink a bit which fostered the party atmosphere and much more open sexuality than you see nowadays. There were always gals putting money in the jukebox and dancing. Of course, after the GoGos closed the place really filled up and by 3 am you could hardly move in there. For those of you who don't remember, Thermae used to close at about 6 am. Price was never an issue. All the gals were more than happy with 1 k. Attitudes were for the most part quite good and with a little alcohol to loosen them up; most of the chicks wanted to have a good ride just as much as you did. I remember one regular who used to come up, grab my arm, and say "Let's go f $$k. " My kind of gal. The clientele when I first started going was just about 100% Western..[/QUOTE]

Hello people,

Planning for a Thailand trip in early March. My flight lands at 4 am in the morning and departs at 8 pm in the evening on a different date. It's a 4 day trip in all. What I want to know is will I be able to do early check in on my arrival. Standard check in time is 2 pm and standard check out time is 11 am. On either days I have 6 HR time gap for check in check out. Are there any hotels which can cater custom check in check out?

My travel dates are March 3rd arrival and March 6th departure. Looking for a hotel around nana plaza.

Mregards.

JP.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2122866]If I may weigh in on the topic of change, yes the world has changed.

Can we not just accept it and stop whining.

Why shouldn't the girl's prefer Asian customers who pay more and are easier to deal with? What were you expecting, they would still prefer the farang who's living in the past expecting what he experienced 10 years ago. . They have copped on to where the money is. Wouldn't you in your business do exactly the same?

Instead lets those of us who live here celebrate that we still live in an amazing country where you can get pussy 24 hours a day from stunning 20 something year old, has the best food in the world (OK maybe Japan has better) has great health care and by in large has the nicest people in the world.

It's almost 2018 , change will continue maybe even more so than in the past, we need to get used to it.[/QUOTE]No dispute from me on those advantages. And the bit I mentioned about the smartphone being today's conduit for communing with and influencing the girls on an emotional level rather than just a cash transaction where shmoozing with them in a bar was the primary setting before? I would be the guy on the other side of that Line conversation sending her those cute little stickers with animated hearts and kisses coming out of teddy bear heads. LOL. Talk about a better fuck and suck than any cash transaction and a few Lady Drinks ever bought me in the past!

I have said I am getting better sex today from younger and better looking Thai girls than I did 20-25 years ago. And I have the smartphone in my pocket with the Line app in it to thank for that.

It isn't because I am spending more time and (relatively) more money in the bars than I did before, including Thermae, because I most definitely am not.

[QUOTE=JayPurohit;2122928]Hello people, Planning for a Thailand trip in early March. *snip* Mregards. JP.[/QUOTE]Hi Jay. I wrote this note as a pm to you, only to be told your mailbox is full. Rather than delete.

The late check out shouldn't be a big deal -- you can probably get a 4 pm Check out, and that's about the time you will need to leave for the airport anyway. If noon or 2 pm Is all the hotel can / will give you, just leave your bag and come back to get it, after you've visited whatever oilie or soapie you have in mind.

Early check in is much tougher. If the hotel does have a room, you can likely check in whenever you arrive -- which will be about 6 or 7 am If the hotel is booked, no matter how hard you try, you won't get a room until someone leaves, the room is cleaned, etc. One option is to rent a low-cost room for the night before you arrive and make it abundantly clear to the hotel why you are renting it, that you won't be arriving until 6 am, etc. , etc.

Good luck and have fun in March. TTG.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2122866]If I may weigh in on the topic of change, yes the world has changed.

Can we not just accept it and stop whining.

Why shouldn't the girl's prefer Asian customers who pay more and are easier to deal with? What were you expecting, they would still prefer the farang who's living in the past expecting what he experienced 10 years ago. . They have copped on to where the money is. Wouldn't you in your business do exactly the same?

Instead lets those of us who live here celebrate that we still live in an amazing country where you can get pussy 24 hours a day from stunning 20 something year old, has the best food in the world (OK maybe Japan has better) has great health care and by in large has the nicest people in the world.

It's almost 2018 , change will continue maybe even more so than in the past, we need to get used to it.[/QUOTE]Well, change would be nice to embrace, if some of it were for the better. When it comes to P4 P in Asia, the change is not positive. So I ask you, what is there to embrace? Yes, still like the food, Yes, the health care is still good, although the for profit model is starting to get out of hand. I still prefer it to the US, but it is in no ways fun and a do whatever you want but don't hurt anyone and don't do drugs place like it used to be. Please, name one aspect of the P4 P scene here that is better than it was 10 years ago or anything that is to our advantage now. I certainly can't think of one. There are fewer gals, higher prices, less service, et al. For those who have the time, the patience, and don't have a GF, online is an option. But again, that requires a lot of effort.

Your first point is the problem. Asian punters expect less, and so everyone gets less. Nice for everyone, eh? And it's not just Thailand. It's all over Asia.

Last night I met up with a girl that I previously hooked up with from Biergarten on Soi 7. The first time we met months ago, I was in the area and wanted to see the difference in girls from Thermae. It's mainly a westerner bar for Farangs with food served as well. I guess I didn't fit the profile the girls there wanted, so I kept getting rejected when I approached them. I guess to them, I was so unattractive and ugly. I was hoping that over paying 3000 baht for short time would make me seem more handsome, but it didn't work. No girls would smile at me or chat me up. I sat alone at the main bar trying to hold back my tears 😭 in my slanted eyes. God help me, a lone Asian wanderer, feeling out of place in a German bar, inside an Asian country.

So in a last ditch effort, I scanned the bar and decided to go for the ugliest girl at Biergarten. She was sitting alone at the main bar beneath the big TV screen. No one was interested in her it seems. I walked up and I said "Hello," in a weak voice from sadness of being rejected all night and we started a conversation. She wasn't a beauty at all, so I had a hard time concentrating on what to say without looking at her hideous face. But it was getting late and I was desperate. In the end, she agreed to go with me long time for 2000 baht. Her services were okay, but I had to close my eyes plenty and think of porn to arouse myself. She did BBBJ and CIM, so I was able to close my eyes and enjoy without looking at her face. Sex wise she was passive and submissive. Too much work for me. She's about 5'3" and less than 100 lbs, shaved and likes to be tossed around during sex. I'm too lazy for that crap.

Anyways our second session last night we did some stuff taken from 50 Shaded of Grey like forced orgasms, double penetration, toy play, and paint her face with cum, just to name a few. I had to cover face with jizz just to make her look decent to look at. She didn't charge me any more money to do all that extra stuff. Even offered to go bare back allowing cum in her and she wanted to simply put her panties on a go home with it still inside of her. I asked her why? She said she didn't care if it was multiple loads from various guys. She only wished that it was Farang cum because Farang cum has a strong unpleasant odor from eating too much meat and milk products. And with a pussy full of Farang cum, she was hoping others smelled her on the MRT on the way home. She said it turned her on.

Anyways I don't eat meat and don't drink milk. But lots of fruits to make my jizz sweet. So I wasn't her type. I was beginning to see that we have intolerable differences. So sadly, this maybe was our last session. I don't know if I can bear to have a another session with a ugly girl. At first I thought she was doing charity by agreeing to go with me at Biergarten. But after our second lame session, I think it was me that was doing the charity in terms of her looks. Anyways I told her on her WeChat that if we ever saw each other again at Biergarten, she best just send me a message off WeChat, instead of approaching me. That way we aren't seen in public together. Other girls may think I have poor taste and judgement and take advantage of me. She sent back a photo and said it will be our "Top Secret " and no worries.

Once again the teddy bear & didn't actually approve or consented to be photographed. Hopefully, I won't get reported to Admin or PETA, by those who are truly "concerned" about its welfare.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2122998]Well, change would be nice to embrace, if some of it were for the better. When it comes to P4 P in Asia, the change is not positive. So I ask you, what is there to embrace? Yes, still like the food, Yes, the health care is still good, although the for profit model is starting to get out of hand. I still prefer it to the US, but it is in no ways fun and a do whatever you want but don't hurt anyone and don't do drugs place like it used to be. Please, name one aspect of the P4 P scene here that is better than it was 10 years ago or anything that is to our advantage now. I certainly can't think of one. There are fewer gals, higher prices, less service, et al. For those who have the time, the patience, and don't have a GF, online is an option. But again, that requires a lot of effort.

Your first point is the problem. Asian punters expect less, and so everyone gets less. Nice for everyone, eh? And it's not just Thailand. It's all over Asia.[/QUOTE]The point is though what do you really hope to achieve by complaining about how bad things are now compared to the past? It just creates an atmosphere of depressing negativity on the forum and drives away posters with a more positive outlook. A lot of members who posted informative reports seemed to have dropped out recently, such as AsianRain, Parkville and Bkkdog and what we're left with is a bunch of guys posting their opinions about how bad things have become. I agree the change hasn't been positive but it is what it is. There's nothing we can do to stop the tide. All you can do is live with it and make the most of it.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2122998]Well, change would be nice to embrace, if some of it were for the better. When it comes to P4 P in Asia, the change is not positive. So I ask you, what is there to embrace? Yes, still like the food, Yes, the health care is still good, although the for profit model is starting to get out of hand. I still prefer it to the US, but it is in no ways fun and a do whatever you want but don't hurt anyone and don't do drugs place like it used to be. Please, name one aspect of the P4 P scene here that is better than it was 10 years ago or anything that is to our advantage now. I certainly can't think of one. There are fewer gals, higher prices, less service, et al. For those who have the time, the patience, and don't have a GF, online is an option. But again, that requires a lot of effort.

Your first point is the problem. Asian punters expect less, and so everyone gets less. Nice for everyone, eh? And it's not just Thailand. It's all over Asia.[/QUOTE]The price of pussy is going up worldwide. Mostly it's due to the "time is more important than money" tourists. They keep pushing the price 10% or so every six months and when you mention something they all say the same things. "That's what you have to pay" or "I'm here on vacation, I don't want to spend any time bargaining" or whatever but that's what it is. It's happening in Europe, it's happening all over south america and now it looks like it's happening here in Thailand. Seriously, you can see this same discussion happening on pretty much every popular country on the forum. You used to be able to get amazing pussy in Buenos Aires 10 years ago for 50 bucks for a couple hours but now it's 150-200 for an hour in the clubs.

I can't speak for Thailand, next month will be my first time there but this conversation looks familiar.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2122998]Well, change would be nice to embrace, if some of it were for the better. When it comes to P4 P in Asia, the change is not positive. So I ask you, what is there to embrace? Yes, still like the food, Yes, the health care is still good, although the for profit model is starting to get out of hand. I still prefer it to the US, but it is in no ways fun and a do whatever you want but don't hurt anyone and don't do drugs place like it used to be. Please, name one aspect of the P4 P scene here that is better than it was 10 years ago or anything that is to our advantage now. I certainly can't think of one. There are fewer gals, higher prices, less service, et al. For those who have the time, the patience, and don't have a GF, online is an option. But again, that requires a lot of effort.

Your first point is the problem. Asian punters expect less, and so everyone gets less. Nice for everyone, eh? And it's not just Thailand. It's all over Asia.[/QUOTE]Earlier on many of you agreed on how Gen Y men are different than you guys, have you ever thought of how the Gen Y chicks are? They care more about money, less about your satisfaction. Being a member of Gen Y and having a preference to Gen Y hookers (average age of my hookers is 21-22, oldest being 29). I've clearly noticed that all the chicks care about money, you want extreme GFE? Throw some money at them. This is the case for everywhere not just Thailand. This is not "caused" by the Asian man but because of the economy. Regardless of their situation most of the hookers are here for money, 20 years ago there only hope was marrying out to a foreigner or just leeching him. Today that is not the case, they can get a degree and hold a decent job with a decent pay. Let's be honest here, a girl would rather spend 25 days a month in an office rather than fuck 15 different guys for money (bar the exception who's lazy to hold a 25 day / month job). So why would they provide good services at lower prices? They're working smartly nowadays, targeting the men who can cough up a big wallet for them (in this case the Asians) for the least amount of services. Its called working efficiently and I like that about them from a business perspective. Stop blaming the Asian man and start blaming your wallets. After all, all of you contributed to the betterment of this economy.

If you want an extreme GFE / PSE for 1500 bht ST from a chick who can respectfully earn the same (or similar) from an office job then you are humoring yourself. Let's not forget all the cons of a chick working as a hooker.

[QUOTE=*****man;2123034]The point is though what do you really hope to achieve by complaining about how bad things are now compared to the past? It just creates an atmosphere of depressing negativity on the forum and drives away posters with a more positive outlook. A lot of members who posted informative reports seemed to have dropped out recently, such as AsianRain, Parkville and Bkkdog and what we're left with is a bunch of guys posting their opinions about how bad things have become. I agree the change hasn't been positive but it is what it is. There's nothing we can do to stop the tide. All you can do is live with it and make the most of it.[/QUOTE]Actually I did post a very positive review of Pattaya Soi 6 early last week. When I have a positive experience I post about it. They are few and far between.

[QUOTE=*****man;2123034]The point is though what do you really hope to achieve by complaining about how bad things are now compared to the past? It just creates an atmosphere of depressing negativity on the forum and drives away posters with a more positive outlook. A lot of members who posted informative reports seemed to have dropped out recently, such as AsianRain, Parkville and Bkkdog and what we're left with is a bunch of guys posting their opinions about how bad things have become. I agree the change hasn't been positive but it is what it is. There's nothing we can do to stop the tide. All you can do is live with it and make the most of it.[/QUOTE]I also posted positive comments about a first time barfine and LT with a Nana Plaza outdoor bargirl three days ago to illustrate why I feel Bangkok's P4P scene is superior to that of Pattaya.

I think in many ways it has become more apparent that the things you long for from the past on this board (note the irony there, btw...) and are lamenting the loss of as potential posts of distinction, i.e. "useful advice that can actually be acted on is provided, such as the name of a place, a girl, a price and the standard of service", do not really tell anyone else what they would likely get in that same place, with that same girl, purchasing the same service and so on. Probably due to the much more transient nature, moodiness, wild inconsistency and unpredictability of the providers, management, etc. these days. Sure, it might paint a rosy picture of what that particular guy fell into during that particular hour. But the chance if it really predicting much of anything for the next guy and the one after that is practically nil.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2123130]I think in many ways it has become more apparent that the things you long for from the past on this board (note the irony there, btw...) and are lamenting the loss of as potential posts of distinction, i.e. "useful advice that can actually be acted on is provided, such as the name of a place, a girl, a price and the standard of service", do not really tell anyone else what they would likely get in that same place, with that same girl, purchasing the same service and so on. Probably due to the much more transient nature, moodiness, wild inconsistency and unpredictability of the providers, management, etc. these days. Sure, it might paint a rosy picture of what that particular guy fell into during that particular hour. But the chance if it really predicting much of anything for the next guy and the one after that is practically nil.[/QUOTE]And I'd say for the most part that is due to fewer working gals and more Asian tourist punters.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2123040]The price of pussy is going up worldwide. Mostly it's due to the "time is more important than money" tourists. They keep pushing the price 10% or so every six months and when you mention something they all say the same things. "That's what you have to pay" or "I'm here on vacation, I don't want to spend any time bargaining" or whatever but that's what it is. It's happening in Europe, it's happening all over south america and now it looks like it's happening here in Thailand. Seriously, you can see this same discussion happening on pretty much every popular country on the forum. You used to be able to get amazing pussy in Buenos Aires 10 years ago for 50 bucks for a couple hours but now it's 150-200 for an hour in the clubs.

I can't speak for Thailand, next month will be my first time there but this conversation looks familiar.[/QUOTE]I don't think Goatscrot's and others' (including my own) gripe is primarily with price, it is with service and looks. In fact, over the course of the last fifteen years the price in Thai baht for a PSE oil massage has remained constant other than the fact a few, not the majority, of venues now charge a bit extra for A+, as it is known. But service is not what it used to be, and there are a lot more overweight girls with significant baby damage working in those places than before.

The prices have gone up at go-gos but probably not by more than normal inflation except for long-time (overnight) sessions, which seem to be out of favor whereas were easy to get some years ago. But attitudes, not just about money, have changed among many of the girls and looks have gone down aided by a lot of bad plastic surgery which it seems is now much more common.

Jakarta doesn't seem to have the same problem with service and the attractiveness of working girls, but it has another, namely the political winds are going in a bad direction (motivated largely by an increase in Muslim fundamentalism's political power). There have also been increases in pricing at those places that cater to expats or the higher-end crowd. But there are still plenty of places where you can find pretty, service-oriented girls, at a good price. Hopefully these places will still be around and not closed by politically motivated police crackdowns.

Although there clearly have been adverse trends in the hobby globally, there are differences between situations in the different countries, sometimes marked. Good luck in Thailand; it (including the scene there) is much different than Buenos Aires.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2123141]And I'd say for the most part that is due to fewer working gals and more Asian tourist punters.[/QUOTE]Let's be honest. Thailand and most of Asia was exploited by the West, one way or another, because of a disparity in military and economic power. Now that Asians themselves have enough wealth to prop up their own economy, isn't it a little hypocritical to complain about the fact that Westerners can't exploit them as much as before?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2122998]Well, change would be nice to embrace, if some of it were for the better. When it comes to P4 P in Asia, the change is not positive. So I ask you, what is there to embrace? Yes, still like the food, Yes, the health care is still good, although the for profit model is starting to get out of hand. I still prefer it to the US, but it is in no ways fun and a do whatever you want but don't hurt anyone and don't do drugs place like it used to be. Please, name one aspect of the P4 P scene here that is better than it was 10 years ago or anything that is to our advantage now. I certainly can't think of one. There are fewer gals, higher prices, less service, et al. For those who have the time, the patience, and don't have a GF, online is an option. But again, that requires a lot of effort.

Your first point is the problem. Asian punters expect less, and so everyone gets less. Nice for everyone, eh? And it's not just Thailand. It's all over Asia.[/QUOTE]Agree with everything you say G, my point is it is what it is and we need to adapt and make the best of it and yes although it's nowhere as good as what it used to be for me anyway it's still way more than OK. If you think about it it's akin to the half empty half full glass metaphor.

[QUOTE=Klassic;2123049]you want extreme GFE? Throw some money at them[/QUOTE]In all my years of mongering, I never saw a case where throwing more money at the same working girl (above her going rate) made the service better. As long as you're not severely underpaying or have a terrible attitude, girls who are typically nice and friendly will try to be nice and provide the GFE they typically do. Those with poor attitudes who are customarily being bitchy and delivering the bare minimum will only give you token crumbs of better service even if you pay them double. You can pay extra for her to hold your dick in her mouth longer, but not to give you a good BJ. And this is even more true with GFE. Even this small positive correlation is in doubt, since offering more than necessary signals to the girl that you're a push-over, and hookers are good at reading these signs and push you over they will.

Sometimes, if you're throwing money around like there's no tomorrow (3 or 5 times the going rate), they'll try to keep it going, but it's usually just a notch better rather than genuinely great.

[QUOTE=*****man;2123034]The point is though what do you really hope to achieve by complaining about how bad things are now compared to the past? [/QUOTE]

Good question. For Thailand expats or experienced mongers, exchanging negative observations matters. It provides closure, and reassurance that it's not me going sour while the scene remained more or less the same, but that changes really are significant. Then, after adjusting expectations and accepting the scene changed, maybe some of us will still be able have a few last gasps of fun. If any of us old timers goes in expecting to find the scene as it used to be (there are optimists among us), they're in for a very bad time.

So, there's a purpose to negative comments, and a more important one than describing one more venue or girl for the 1000th time. And virtually ALL Thailand venues have been discussed to death here. Frankly, I haven't discovered a new amazing venue worth visiting from field reports here in a long time.

I understand this is all irrelevant to a relative newbie or a casual tourist, but they're not the only audience here.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2123292]Good question. For Thailand expats or experienced mongers, exchanging negative observations matters. It provides closure, and reassurance that it's not me going sour while the scene remained more or less the same, but that changes really are significant. Then, after adjusting expectations and accepting the scene changed, maybe some of us will still be able have a few last gasps of fun. If any of us old timers goes in expecting to find the scene as it used to be (there are optimists among us), they're in for a very bad time.

So, there's a purpose to negative comments, and a more important one than describing one more venue or girl for the 1000th time. And virtually ALL Thailand venues have been discussed to death here. Frankly, I haven't discovered a new amazing venue worth visiting from field reports here in a long time.wow weather who wins if it good or not ,, it's not good , 5 days here nothing worth talking about , and pocket full of money ,,, 3 different times bill padded (in between meeeting the girl of m dreams ) just rag bars up and down soi 4 ,, "the sex is gone boys ,", my only delima is I planed on 7 weeks here ,,, I'm looking to get out soon !!! Really really bad guys ,please pm me if any ideas where to go , have to be back here feb 5 to catch flight !! Total disappointment,, and I've really tried to go with the flow ( even considered nor saying nothing having bill padded but just can't bring myself to that )) met more then one person bragging about Their a reg at mixx and Russians will go with them for 5,000 b.

I understand this is all irrelevant to a relative newbie or a casual tourist, but they're not the only audience here.[/QUOTE]The sex is gone boys!

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2123287]In all my years of mongering, I never saw a case where throwing more money at the same working girl (above her going rate) made the service better. [/QUOTE]I think it depends on the circumstances and the girls perception of the going rate for the service they are providing relative to the price you are paying. It doesn't work with go-go or massage girls since those are basically pretty much set rate places and the girls are hard core anyway. For some reason, these girls don't appreciate getting more money than the going rate. I am guessing it happens to them often so they are spoiled. (It also does not work for girls pulled from Thermae either, they are hard core like the go-go girls.) If you go to a cheap place for 1000 baht, it won't likely be any better or worse service than a more expensive place for 5000 baht. The difference for that will likely be the girl will have whiter skin at the place for 5000 baht.

However, I think it's a different case when it comes to free lance girls from discos. I actually did some research on this with some buddies with free lancers where we take some girls for normal market price and others for more than market price. We found that if we make it clear that we know the normal market rate, but promise a free lance girl more than the normal market rate provided she really makes us happy, we get off the charts service almost without fail. I can't say our sample size was huge because we didn't want to overpay often, but in the times we did do it, that was the finding for all of us.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2123040]You used to be able to get amazing pussy in Buenos Aires 10 years ago for 50 bucks for a couple hours but now it's 150-200 for an hour in the clubs.[/QUOTE]That sucks. I'm going to BA in a couple of months. Very sad to hear that.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2123287]Sometimes, if you're throwing money around like there's no tomorrow (3 or 5 times the going rate), they'll try to keep it going, but it's usually just a notch better rather than genuinely great.[/QUOTE]Actually they consider punters who throw around money like that [I]chumps[/I] who do not know the local prices. It can also be seen as showing off and / or a negative judgement (causing loss of face) on their everyday business practice.

SL.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2115975]Yep, a big down side to Thermae is not knowing what is under those clothes.

A couple of summers ago, my buddy Banana Boi hooked me up with a friend of one of his Thermae regulars. This girl is a knockout with her clothes on and usually only goes with Asians. The Japanese guys snap her up minutes after the place opens.

Unfortunately the poor little thing has some of the worst baby damage I have ever seen. As pretty as her face is it did not make we want to repeat.[/QUOTE]You in Patts already? Your mailbox is full Uncle.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2123303]The sex is gone boys![/QUOTE]Maybe for you, your techniques and way of doing things. For me, it's a beautiful thing.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2123303]The sex is gone boys![/QUOTE]Maybe for you and the way you do things. For me. It's great.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2123287]In all my years of mongering, I never saw a case where throwing more money at the same working girl (above her going rate) made the service better. As long as you're not severely underpaying or have a terrible attitude, girls who are typically nice and friendly will try to be nice and provide the GFE they typically do. Those with poor attitudes who are customarily being bitchy and delivering the bare minimum will only give you token crumbs of better service even if you pay them double. You can pay extra for her to hold your dick in her mouth longer, but not to give you a good BJ. And this is even more true with GFE. Even this small positive correlation is in doubt, since offering more than necessary signals to the girl that you're a push-over, and hookers are good at reading these signs and push you over they will.

Sometimes, if you're throwing money around like there's no tomorrow (3 or 5 times the going rate), they'll try to keep it going, but it's usually just a notch better rather than genuinely great.[/QUOTE]I guess this is where the highly subjective definition of "GFE" comes into play again. I don't know exactly what Klassic meant by his term "extreme GFE". But if it is anything like my oft-used term "Real GFE", then we are talking about the BBFS kind of GFE or, in some cases BBBJ+CIM, perhaps even with a Swallow finish. Offering to pay more money to the same working girl above her going rate IF she will deliver those services can go a long way to making those things happen for me when otherwise my experience with the girl tells me it wouldn't. True, that doesn't mean throwing the extra money at her will improve the girl's attitude, cause her to become nicer, friendlier and so on as the term "GFE" is often used by others.

As someone who will not experience a finish wearing a condom no matter how nice and friendly the girl is and won't agree to pay money to cum outside a woman's body (as in with a HJ, COB, whatever), I love it when the subject of that kind of Real GFE is raised during a brief negotiation and her reply is simply, "How much you pay me?", knowing full well she is merely looking to be paid an extra amount above her usual going rate to make that kind of GFE happen for me. We're generally not talking about huge multiples more money here. Usually, just an additional 500-1000 baht will be plenty extra, even with go-go girls. For those who will do it at all, that is.

This might be a good place to mention that the term "negotiation" conjures up images of some cold-eyed stand-off between tough characters in an International Summit Meeting or barking prices and services back and forth like in an auction house. But that isn't even remotely what I am talking about with regard to a "negotiation" on services with a P4P girl. This is, after all, about sex and intimacy. There are ways of doing it calmly, respectfully, with a cute, fun, casual attitude that makes it more inviting for the girl to say yes instead of no in the first place. Keep that in mind when you are essentially "asking" the girl to be more intimate with you in bed than she might otherwise be with customers, which is really what the negotiation on P4P services is all about.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2123292]
So, there's a purpose to negative comments, and a more important one than describing one more venue or girl for the 1000th time. And virtually ALL Thailand venues have been discussed to death here. Frankly, I haven't discovered a new amazing venue worth visiting from field reports here in a long time.
[/QUOTE]It would be nice to get some new valuable intel on new venues or new girls in same old venues, or old girl in new venue. That is probably the only thing of major value in the forum other than for the newbies. Also warnings about strange pricing and policies at certain venues. Warnings about "Coyote" girls and LBs.

Yes sadly, I have not gained any regular girls at all, based on reports of others. Cannot think of even one. I probably did try the odd venue based on reports of others like first visits to Tulip, Snow White, Addict, 102, etc. The big problem is we all have different requirements. In the end, we have to go find girls for ourselves.

I did find the forum slightly useful when it reported the new location one of my old favourite girls had emerged at. That type of intel is worthwhile. I did retry the odd bar in Nana based on reports of others, however always make my own assessment. Some bars others thought great, I thought were horrible. Just different taste. I especially did not like bars full of silicone coconuts.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2123385]It would be nice to get some new valuable intel on new venues or new girls in same old venues, or old girl in new venue. That is probably the only thing of major value in the forum other than for the newbies. Also warnings about strange pricing and policies at certain venues. Warnings about "Coyote" girls and LBs.

Yes sadly, I have not gained any regular girls at all, based on reports of others. Cannot think of even one. I probably did try the odd venue based on reports of others like first visits to Tulip, Snow White, Addict, 102, etc. The big problem is we all have different requirements. In the end, we have to go find girls for ourselves.

I did find the forum slightly useful when it reported the new location one of my old favourite girls had emerged at. That type of intel is worthwhile. I did retry the odd bar in Nana based on reports of others, however always make my own assessment. Some bars others thought great, I thought were horrible. Just different taste. I especially did not like bars full of silicone coconuts.[/QUOTE]Yes, I would say the kind of info you mention there is very useful on the forum. And there is no push that I can see trying to curtail it. Just a gentle reminder that what triggered this latest discussion on the subject was whether or not certain insightful and IMO useful observations of the scene overall were worth citing as posts of distinction. We certainly ought to be reporting the things you cited above and appreciating them. But it isn't as though that kind of info is particularly insightful or notably valuable in how one approaches the Bangkok/Thailand P4P scene overall. Although I could see a truly epic bit if intel on many bars and clubs hitting that standard.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2123005]Last night I met up with a girl that I previously hooked up with from Biergarten on Soi 7. The first time we met months ago, I was in the area and wanted to see the difference in girls from Thermae. It's mainly a westerner bar for Farangs with food served as well. I guess I didn't fit the profile the girls there wanted, so I kept getting rejected when I approached them. I guess to them, I was so unattractive and ugly. I was hoping that over paying 3000 baht for short time would make me seem more handsome, but it didn't work. No girls would smile at me or chat me up. I sat alone at the main bar trying to hold back my tears 😭 in my slanted eyes. God help me, a lone Asian wanderer, feeling out of place in a German bar, inside an Asian country..[/QUOTE]Forgot to mention she was into role play and sex wear during our sessions. I guess any helps to distract from her looks.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2123392]But it isn't as though that kind of info is particularly insightful or notably valuable in how one approaches the Bangkok/Thailand P4P scene overall. [/QUOTE]Ha ha. I received plenty of criticism on descriptions of how I interact with bargirls, and people described it as "the theory of mongering" which it was not really supposed to be. Each guy has their own way of trying to reduce the "mistakes". It has got to the point that it becomes very hard for me to convinced a girl will be good for me. LOL I certainly don't have all the answers on how to screen girls. I am preferring experienced girls these days. If I don't get the feeling the girl is both good looking and wanting me badly, I might just pass. LOL I exaggerate a bit.

Reports on girls I have not tried, could be useful to me, if any turned out to be my spec. Very few stunners with great GFE ever got identified. Lack of sharing maybe? I always had to find the best lookers to my taste for myself. From my recollections, I always reported on the best lookers I tried before anyone else did, or I just found them independently, in the odd case. So I never expect to get a useful new girl tip.

[QUOTE=JayFung;2123177]Let's be honest. Thailand and most of Asia was exploited by the West, one way or another, because of a disparity in military and economic power. Now that Asians themselves have enough wealth to prop up their own economy, isn't it a little hypocritical to complain about the fact that Westerners can't exploit them as much as before?[/QUOTE]Well, except for it is the Asian man that is now getting exploited by the local Asian females. And if you are worried about P4 P gals being exploited, then why are you on this forum?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2123287]In all my years of mongering, I never saw a case where throwing more money at the same working girl (above her going rate) made the service better. As long as you're not severely underpaying or have a terrible attitude, girls who are typically nice and friendly will try to be nice and provide the GFE they typically do. Those with poor attitudes who are customarily being bitchy and delivering the bare minimum will only give you token crumbs of better service even if you pay them double. You can pay extra for her to hold your dick in her mouth longer, but not to give you a good BJ. And this is even more true with GFE. Even this small positive correlation is in doubt, since offering more than necessary signals to the girl that you're a push-over, and hookers are good at reading these signs and push you over they will.

Sometimes, if you're throwing money around like there's no tomorrow (3 or 5 times the going rate), they'll try to keep it going, but it's usually just a notch better rather than genuinely great.[/QUOTE]Agreed. In fact, I think it is quite the opposite. The more money you throw at them, the more foolish they think you are, and they will know they can get away with providing less.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2123385]It would be nice to get some new valuable intel on new venues or new girls in same old venues, or old girl in new venue. That is probably the only thing of major value in the forum other than for the newbies. Also warnings about strange pricing and policies at certain venues. Warnings about "Coyote" girls and LBs.

Yes sadly, I have not gained any regular girls at all, based on reports of others. Cannot think of even one. I probably did try the odd venue based on reports of others like first visits to Tulip, Snow White, Addict, 102, etc. The big problem is we all have different requirements. In the end, we have to go find girls for ourselves.

I did find the forum slightly useful when it reported the new location one of my old favourite girls had emerged at. That type of intel is worthwhile. I did retry the odd bar in Nana based on reports of others, however always make my own assessment. Some bars others thought great, I thought were horrible. Just different taste. I especially did not like bars full of silicone coconuts.[/QUOTE]Since my two regulars left the biz, well over two years ago, I have not found any replacements. And it is not due to lack of looking and trying.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2123292]I understand this is all irrelevant to a relative newbie or a casual tourist, but they're not the only audience here.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is and that is one of the problems. There are fewer and fewer residents. The percentage of tourist mongers vs the percentage of resident mongers continues to change in favor of the tourists, which is to the detriment of the resident in all ways. Can't wait till the mainland Chinese dudes invade the bars. They are demanding, loud, and will present quite a shock to the gals. They will long for the days of Western mongers. But since they alienated that customer base, they won't have the option.

I visit Thailand twice a year for work and pleasure. Don't offer much to this forum as sex is pretty much in the face and one usually has no problems finding a hole in Bangkok.

Feel 2000 is a pretty good deal for this chick considering its LT and she allows you to do everything, I don't find her ugly unless she has tonnes of make up on her face. Wondering what's good and excellent for you.

Keep writing.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2123005]Last night I met up with a girl that I previously hooked up with from Biergarten on Soi 7. The first time we met months ago, I was in the area and wanted to see the difference in girls from Thermae. It's mainly a westerner bar for Farangs with food served as well. I guess I didn't fit the profile the girls there wanted, so I kept getting rejected when I approached them. I guess to them, I was so unattractive and ugly. I was hoping that over paying 3000 baht for short time would make me seem more handsome, but it didn't work. No girls would smile at me or chat me up. I sat alone at the main bar trying to hold back my tears 😭 in my slanted eyes. God help me, a lone Asian wanderer, feeling out of place in a German bar, inside an Asian country.

So in a last ditch effort, I scanned the bar and decided to go for the ugliest girl at Biergarten. She was sitting alone at the main bar beneath the big TV screen. No one was interested in her it seems. I walked up and I said "Hello," in a weak voice from sadness of being rejected all night and we started a conversation. She wasn't a beauty at all, so I had a hard time concentrating on what to say without looking at her hideous face. But it was getting late and I was desperate. In the end, she agreed to go with me long time for 2000 baht. Her services were okay, but I had to close my eyes plenty and think of porn to arouse myself. She did BBBJ and CIM, so I was able to close my eyes and enjoy without looking at her face. Sex wise she was passive and submissive. Too much work for me. She's about 5'3" and less than 100 lbs, shaved and likes to be tossed around during sex. I'm too lazy for that crap.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2123477]Well, except for it is the Asian man that is now getting exploited by the local Asian females. And if you are worried about P4 P gals being exploited, then why are you on this forum?[/QUOTE]Never said I'm worried or bothered by it, neither side was forced into making the transaction; it's a simple function of supply and demand. And now, the rising price is always due to simple supply and demand. Asian men aren't being ripped off, they're clearly paying what they're willing to pay, to get services that they want (rather than what the western clientele wants).

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2123500]Keep writing.[/QUOTE]Please read his posts over the last couple of months and the replies he got. And then let us know if you still want him to keep writing.

He brings another dimension to mongering so I am ok. I disagree with him at times as I mentioned in my previous reply, 2 k for that chick was a great price and based on the pics for me she is easily 6/10 and I cannot call her ugly for sure.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2123515]Please read his posts over the last couple of months and the replies he got. And then let us know if you still want him to keep writing.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=SuperLove;2123554]2 k for that chick was a great price.[/QUOTE]If it was true. Considering in his past posts he stated he pays 6000 and thinks that's a good deal because "he has good game", I seriously doubt it.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2123609]If it was true. Considering in his past posts he stated he pays 6000 and thinks that's a good deal because "he has good game", I seriously doubt it.[/QUOTE]His "report" reeks of horseshit. It appears to be his imaginative way of deriding P4P girls who work in venues catering more to Westerners than Asians; Beergarden Soi 7 vs Thermae. And to illustrate that, unlike the rap on Asians generally expressed on boards like this one and him in particular, he is a wild and crazy guy sexually, very demanding of not just Real Sex on the cheap (vs his apparently usual low demand commingling for inflated prices), but of even more extreme and more perverted stuff than most Westerners claim to engage in with Thai girls on these boards. And it is a means of deriding those customers, too. If anyone believes that Beergarden Soi 7 girl did and told him the things he claims re multiple loads from various guys, Farang cum and so on in that "report", I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you at a bargain price.

LOL. However, his fairy tale is misplaced. Nobody should be impressed that he could get a Beergarden Soi 7 girl to engage in more graphic sexual activity than he usually has to pay thousands more baht for elsewhere. If he really wanted to impress us with his "very strong game", he should have placed his fairy tale in Thermae and made it up about one of the better looking girls there, beating out the other Asian customer competition in the process and all that.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2123609]If it was true. Considering in his past posts he stated he pays 6000 and thinks that's a good deal because "he has good game", I seriously doubt it.[/QUOTE]Don't know why he would lie about it when his post has information about the location, price, name and pictures that can be verified.

One point he made earlier is that the girl knows her value and that is what monger has to pay. Money is not a big deal to him so he choose to pay and not walk away. I can see from his posts that he knows the market price very well, probably better than most people.

He is providing a different viewpoint and a reflection of this forum. If you don't like his posts, try switching position with him, then his posts will start to make more sense. There are discussion about farang in Thermae and here is his report about an Asian in biergarten. If you agree with his taste of beauty, then you will agree most pictures in this forum are rather unremarkable. If you don't agree with him, then the girl he choose is ugly, and now he is choosing the viewpoint of people who disagree with his taste when writing reports.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2123005]Last night I met up with a girl that I previously hooked up with from Biergarten on Soi 7. The first time we met months ago, I was in the area and wanted to see the difference in girls from Thermae. It's mainly a westerner bar for Farangs with food served as well. I guess I didn't fit the profile the girls there wanted, so I kept getting rejected when I approached them. I guess to them, I was so unattractive and ugly. I was hoping that over paying 3000 baht for short time would make me seem more handsome[/QUOTE]Dude? 3000 baht? I was there at Biergarten a year ago and I sensed the women sitting at the left, by the entrance were a desperate lot. Perhaps they were literally "bent for the rent" as it was the end of the month. But, I as I walked in I noticed they shot me hopeful glances at they looked up from their cellphones. Mature women, neither hot nor homely. I sat at the bar, ordered a beer and chatted with an American and a Brit who gave me the lowdown on pricing. Offer 1000, give 1200 max. Got it. I had only been in Thailand a few hours and this was the first place I walked into after checking into my hotel. I decided to continue my exploration of the area. As I walked out the girls glanced up and I sensed a collective sense of disappointment, as if 1000 baht had just sailed past them. Nothing special about me, I'm was just a skinny, pale 59 year old farang in plain clothes. But, for the first time in a while I felt I was a precious commodity.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2123622] I can see from his posts that he knows the market price very well, probably better than most people.[/QUOTE]Then he ought to know that Asian guys are perfectly welcome and popular in Beergarden Soi 7, I have never seen one sitting alone unless he adamantly refused to make eye contact with a Beergarden girl, projected a very negative vibe or something weird like that, especially if he is offering 3,000 baht for ST. It would not require him to find "the ugliest girl" in the place to generate serious interest in sitting with him, talking to him and so on. Instead, we get this ridiculous fabrication:

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw]It's mainly a westerner bar for Farangs with food served as well. I guess I didn't fit the profile the girls there wanted, so I kept getting rejected when I approached them. I guess to them, I was so unattractive and ugly. I was hoping that over paying 3000 baht for short time would make me seem more handsome, but it didn't work.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2123622]Don't know why he would lie about it when his post has information about the location, price, name and pictures that can be verified.[/QUOTE]He's just a troll.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2123609]If it was true. Considering in his past posts he stated he pays 6000 and thinks that's a good deal because "he has good game", I seriously doubt it.[/QUOTE]ISG is and always has been a combination of fact and fiction. Whatever about his nonsensical "game" the lad has a vivid imagination and I venture that he's enjoying every minute of the attention he's getting on the forum.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2123641]Dude? 3000 baht? I was there at Biergarten a year ago and I sensed the women sitting at the left, by the entrance were a desperate lot. Perhaps they were literally "bent for the rent" as it was the end of the month. But, I as I walked in I noticed they shot me hopeful glances at they looked up from their cellphones. Mature women, neither hot nor homely. I sat at the bar, ordered a beer and chatted with an American and a Brit who gave me the lowdown on pricing. Offer 1000, give 1200 max. Got it. I had only been in Thailand a few hours[/QUOTE]Maybe he is trying to be funny or satirical. Fine. But as bar scene info it winds up being highly misleading along the way. Especially to Asian punters who might now think they would be untouchables in Beergarden or some such nonsense.

LOL. That is quite a comically fanciful character he conjured up for the Beergarden Soi 7 girl. She is supposed to be the ugliest girl in the place and no one is interested in her. Yet she somehow has a vagina full of cum from various customers often enough to be able to discern the different smells from different ethnic groups. She is small, slim, shaved, likes to be tossed around, is up for BBFS, CIM and virtually any other level of kinky sexual behavior yet she is too passive and submissive for him. Oh, I am so sure he is spoiled by the much kinkier action he is accustomed to getting with Thermae girls.

It seems to have been written by someone who has never had a Beergarden or Thermae type P4P experience but can only imagine it must be something like that.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2123769]Maybe he is trying to be funny or satirical. Fine. But as bar scene info it winds up being highly misleading along the way. Especially to Asian punters who might now think they would be untouchables in Beergarden or some such nonsense.

LOL. That is quite a comically fanciful character he conjured up for the Beergarden Soi 7 girl. She is supposed to be the ugliest girl in the place and no one is interested in her. Yet she somehow has a vagina full of cum from various customers often enough to be able to discern the different smells from different ethnic groups. She is small, slim, shaved, likes to be tossed around, is up for BBFS, CIM and virtually any other level of kinky sexual behavior yet she is too passive and submissive for him. Oh, I am so sure he is spoiled by the much kinkier action he is accustomed to getting with Thermae girls.

It seems to have been written by someone who has never had a Beergarden or Thermae type P4P experience but can only imagine it must be something like that.[/QUOTE]Yes, he is just out to take the pi* he is trying to be sarcastic and condescending. Certainly not going to win any points here with that attitude.

Went there on the 1st at around 9:00, ground floor was kinda full. But still got a seat and ordered a drink. Looked at the Naked + Bikini clad girls for a while, tipped a chick 100 bht on the pole and she decided to come sit on my lap after her turn of dancing was over. I wasn't comfortable as the seating is shit in CH, so decided to move it upstairs which was empty with a few mature woman weak grinding on the poles. The upstairs started getting filled by more "tourists" than actual sex tourists, like at one point a Russian father+friend+daughter showed up and I was like WTF. Another group of tourists came in and one of the women in the group couldn't stop glaring at me for having a naked Asian girl on my lap and feeling her up, like she literally stared me down for a good 30 seconds. Anyways, girl said 700 BF and 3 k st. I wasn't really interested in the girl nor was I intending to pop as I had popped before I made to CH. So I just paid ma bills and left. Not many stunners on this day.

Also got asked 500 at entrance for being brown, didn't care, paid.

I sat for almost an hour last evening.

Had a sandwich and a beer. Could find only aged ugly ladies.

Sadly I could not find many good looking gals around soi streets. If its beautiful it must be lady boy. It was not the case few years ago when I could easily pick good looking young gals even from Nana parking in cheap price. Lastly am too surprised to see many very good looking western guys romancing the ugliest, out of shape, ladies who can easily find roles in horror movies. I wished I could tell those guys common buddy see your personality and see the lady you are lip kissing with.

Visited many clubs like insanity, route 36 , glow, sing sing, onyx, sugar, level. Could not see stunners. Used to the shanghai clubs where one can see loads of stunners. Pickup joints like Manhattan and Kama in Guangzhou are way better in quality. Even Jakarta I found way better in term of quality and price.

Look like my last visit to Thailand. Many more countries to explore. Will try to post few FRs in Bangkok forum soon. Going Pattaya tomorrow for few days.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2123641]Dude? 3000 baht? I was there at Biergarten a year ago and I sensed the women sitting at the left, by the entrance were a desperate lot. Perhaps they were literally "bent for the rent" as it was the end of the month. But, I as I walked in I noticed they shot me hopeful glances at they looked up from their cellphones. Mature women, neither hot nor homely. I sat at the bar, ordered a beer and chatted with an American and a Brit who gave me the lowdown on pricing. Offer 1000, give 1200 max. Got it. I had only been in Thailand a few hours and this was the first place I walked into after checking into my hotel. I decided to continue my exploration of the area. As I walked out the girls glanced up and I sensed a collective sense of disappointment, as if 1000 baht had just sailed past them. Nothing special about me, I'm was just a skinny, pale 59 year old farang in plain clothes. But, for the first time in a while I felt I was a precious commodity.[/QUOTE]

Visited all the main BJ shops at least three times each to cross check. Lollypop, wood (dr BJ earlier) Casalong, lolittas, soms heaven and BJ bars like after school, jungle jims, fanny ets. Quality just sucks. I will better do hand jobs myself rather than putting my cock in these ugliest faces and mouths. LOL.

[QUOTE=JayFung;2123512]Never said I'm worried or bothered by it, neither side was forced into making the transaction; it's a simple function of supply and demand. And now, the rising price is always due to simple supply and demand. Asian men aren't being ripped off, they're clearly paying what they're willing to pay, to get services that they want (rather than what the western clientele wants).[/QUOTE]It's not just a matter of supply and demand. The P4 P industry in Thailand has always seemed to operate outside of what we think of as a true free market. Of course the same can be said of many aspects of the economy here. But yes, if they are paying more for less; they are being ripped off and changing the market for the worst. They are being taken advantage of. And if you have ever been into the CH or numerous GoGos in Pattaya you will see the Thai gals surrounding their victims and milking them for drinks like it is not tomorrow. Can't wait till the mainlanders come. They are demanding and will give 'em hell if they don't get good service.

Advertised as tantra massage and prostate massage. In my third visit I picked a gal half heartly. I regretted later. No sensuality in hands, no feel. Just rubbish oil on hands and useless massage. Than directly started hand job. Within 2 min she put condom on and worst BJ. Wtf man. Just released the load and came out.

Bangkok sucks till now. Few more days here. Will keep posting.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2123622]Don't know why he would lie about it when his post has information about the location, price, name and pictures that can be verified.[/QUOTE]Personally I doubt that a good looking girl like that has to pick up her customers in the Beergarden these days.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2123891]Personally I doubt that a good looking girl like that has to pick up her customers in the Beergarden these days.[/QUOTE]He didn't get her at the BG. My guess is Thermae. He is simply taking the pi* and being as nasty and smug as he can.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2123934]He didn't get her at the BG. My guess is Thermae. He is simply taking the pi* and being as nasty and smug as he can.[/QUOTE]It surprises me that some posters are so gullible they can't see it for the obvious windup that it is. The photos look like they've been taken from some random Tinder profile (apart from the one with the blurred face which could be from anywhere) so I doubt he ever met this girl. He must be laughing his nuts off at the responses here though.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2123321]. We found that if we make it clear that we know the normal market rate, but promise a free lance girl more than the normal market rate provided she really makes us happy, we get off the charts service almost without fail. I can't say our sample size was huge because we didn't want to overpay often, but in the times we did do it, that was the finding for all of us.[/QUOTE]This has been my finding in real life and in mongering. If the girl at the disco quotes me a high price, I normally tell her what I can pay. If she does not like, then I buy her a drink and walk away. If she agrees to my price, then I will offer her a bonus for good service. For the quality of girl I like, the going range I offer is 2500 to 3000 bht for long term. The range depends on how horny I am.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2123287]In all my years of mongering, I never saw a case where throwing more money at the same working girl (above her going rate) made the service better. As long as you're not severely underpaying or have a terrible attitude, girls who are typically nice and friendly will try to be nice and provide the GFE they typically do. Those with poor attitudes who are customarily being bitchy and delivering the bare minimum will only give you token crumbs of better service even if you pay them double. You can pay extra for her to hold your dick in her mouth longer, but not to give you a good BJ. And this is even more true with GFE. Even this small positive correlation is in doubt, since offering more than necessary signals to the girl that you're a push-over, and hookers are good at reading these signs and push you over they will.

Sometimes, if you're throwing money around like there's no tomorrow (3 or 5 times the going rate), they'll try to keep it going, but it's usually just a notch better rather than genuinely great.[/QUOTE]Well I have to say congratulations then that you've never encountered a hooker who would do anything for a bit more $$ "girls who are typically nice and friendly will try to be nice and provide the GFE they typically do" well my post was targeted towards the ones who don't and how to change them. "Those with poor attitudes who are customarily being bitchy and delivering the bare minimum will only give you token crumbs of better service even if you pay them double. " Now this is either your inexperience talking of never "throwing money" at a girl or (read my first point), obviously not every girl in town is going to turn her head around and start being better because some are bitter from the start of their hooker careers. " they'll try to keep it going, but it's usually just a notch better rather than genuinely great" That's when you use your brain and throw the girl out if you feel you're getting scammed.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2123478]Agreed. In fact, I think it is quite the opposite. The more money you throw at them, the more foolish they think you are, and they will know they can get away with providing less.[/QUOTE]That's when you use your brain and throw the girl out if you feel you're getting scammed. The supply in BKK is higher than demand anyways. Seriously do I need to respond multiple times to my original post when basic common sense could've differentiated the difference between "throwing extra money" and getting ripped off, I thought using the upper brain when dealing with such things was a must.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2123482]Yes, it is and that is one of the problems. There are fewer and fewer residents. The percentage of tourist mongers vs the percentage of resident mongers continues to change in favor of the tourists, which is to the detriment of the resident in all ways. Can't wait till the mainland Chinese dudes invade the bars. They are demanding, loud, and will present quite a shock to the gals. They will long for the days of Western mongers. But since they alienated that customer base, they won't have the option.[/QUOTE]Your logic just answered you. "They are demanding, loud, and will present quite a shock to the gals. They will long for the days of Western mongers. ". Compare exactly your definitions of a mainland monger vs a western monger and a current Asian monger (sing / Japanese / Korean) to the western monger. You'll see exactly why a girl prefers an Asian monger to a western one. These are the days of the Asian monger who definitely believes that they are not overpaying and that they're not getting scammed, so they will continue to dictate the market.

[QUOTE=*****man;2123942]It surprises me that some posters are so gullible they can't see it for the obvious windup that it is. The photos look like they've been taken from some random Tinder profile (apart from the one with the blurred face which could be from anywhere) so I doubt he ever met this girl. He must be laughing his nuts off at the responses here though.[/QUOTE]I kind of think that he actually has met these gals. It is the same teddy bear in all the pics. But, yes, he is trying to troll and wind us all up. Well, best that we get back to our topics at hand and ignore him.

[QUOTE=PrinceMV2;2123872]Visited all the main BJ shops at least three times each to cross check. Lollypop, wood (dr BJ earlier) Casalong, lolittas, soms heaven and BJ bars like after school, jungle jims, fanny ets. Quality just sucks. I will better do hand jobs myself rather than putting my cock in these ugliest faces and mouths. LOL.[/QUOTE]

Did you skip Start of Light (soi Patpong II) and Kangaroo (soi Patpong I)? I have to report their 2 best performers, Nan and Dear, are gone. Nan is in Kasalong, Dear went to Pattaya. Unfortunately, not worth going to SOL now due to staffing issues, but they have a uniquely public setup (no other place does that), so I honestly hope they'll bounce back.

Don't go to BJ bars for the looks. Should be obvious there will be no models with amazing faces working in a BJ bar, sucking off all comers for 700 baht a pop (a few throw in a bit of rimming as well), most likely about half of which goes to the girl, rest to the venue. Personally, I'm actually surprised some of the BJ women don't look entirely horrible, given that they do $10 blowjobs (many times per day) without a real ability to choose customers. Many of them are competent at what they do. I still like the no-nonsense business model of those venues, no silly barfines or excuses.

My current favorite is Som's Haven, it still has some semblance of a fun vibe (that most other venues miss these days).

[QUOTE=Klassic;2124003]Well I have to say congratulations then that you've never encountered a hooker who would do anything for a bit more $$ "girls who are typically nice and friendly will try to be nice and provide the GFE they typically do" well my post was targeted towards the ones who don't and how to change them... Now this is either your inexperience talking[/QUOTE]

Pardon my inexperience, I've only been doing this for 20 years.

We must have a different definition of a GFE. For me, GFE is all about a friendly attitude, the girl being able to give a convincing illusion that she's enjoys being with you to some degree (with money being an incidental incentive). Bit similar to how a good movie gives that willing suspension of disbelief, where a crappy one doesn't. Of course, any GFE girl would normally do DFK (which eager girl doesn't) and BBBJ, but it's NOT about specific physical acts. There are girls who allow DFK and BBBJ (and much more!) but don't qualify as GFE.

Sure, you can pay hookers more money for specific acts (to some extent), but you can't really change their attitude and get GFE, unless you're either gullible or don't really care about the attitude. Some guys just care to do X, why, and Z, and if the girl acts apathetic or even bitches about it, well, too bad. Sometimes those sessions are fine and can be fun, but they sure aren't GFE in my book.

Visited Baccara, tilak, midnight, spice girl and few other bars at soi cowboy and one bar in nana plaza on my way back. Also the much hyped thermae.

Beer rates around 150 to 200 in all bars with lady drink around 250. At midnight bar few gals almost dragged me in. I allowed them because I felt they had nice figure and ok face. Height also good. So the scene as usual ordered a beer and one gal sat near me. Chatted and asked for lady drink. Ordered for her. Than started feeling her body. She sat on me and rubbed her very nice shaped ass on my dick for nice 20 minutes. Opened the zip and took in her hand too and asked me for HJ for 500 bht which I refused. Overall really enjoyed her sitting on my tool and stroking herself. I felt she was enjoying herself too but I may be wrong. I was about to come when I pushed her aside paid the bill and went out. Baccara the better looking girls were absent today. May be most better ones are still on leave. Almost same story in all bars.

Also visited thermae twice today. Could see only one or may be twp percent average looking girls. The younger ones were mostly looked interested in Korean and Japanese guys. Noticed a very innocent looking girl. May be not more than 18 she was. Even before I reached her two quite heavy Indian guys reached her and started negotiations. The girl dint looked interested in them in start but later agreed and while they were going out by stairs I stopped the girl and took her number. She looked happy in sharing and was ready to meet tomorrow. The guys told me that she agreed for 3 k bht for two guys. So not bad bargain I think. Will contact her tomorrow on wechat or line.

Now tinder. Swapped few pics and got two matches very soon. Messaged both and got quick reply from one. The pics are very nice and sexy. She asked 3 k and came down to 2700 including taxi. In the eve she messaged me that she is not feeling well due to some flu and will meet tomorrow . I wished her early recovery. Lets see how it goes tomorrow but if the girl is as sexy and young as her pics than can be a treat for me.

Will keep reporting.

One request to all of you. One some new comer asks about information we seniors ask him to do some RTFF. But can we please avoid useless arguments and personal likes and dislikes and things like that. If you see back almost many pages have no useful information and just arguments and more. I think if we feel some one is posting fake FRs its better to avoid and ignore that person instead of answering him in tens of posts. Better to neglect ego clashes and keep posting useful information.

Regards to everyone here. Keep enjoying.

Cheers.

Yes I didn't went to Patpong yet.

About vibe I felt lollypop1 is not bad. One can just go and sit near the counter and ask for a coke.

Can watch the ladies playing pool. They don't force. Not even try to ask you anything. Once you are settled with few sips can start chat and than they ask you to go inside with some lady.

If you don't like you can simply say next time and all the ladies are mannered to finish the topic by smile.

Went to check quality at magic table and Dr BJ nuru bar also jyst opposite wood bar. Dint liked any lady sitting outside so returned back. Way back to hotel a pak guy ask me daily for some new mujra dance bar where one can find Russians, Paki and Indian gals. I ignored him till now but may be tomorow will try and post FR about that too if I don't go Pattaya tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2124062]Did you skip Start of Light (soi Patpong II) and Kangaroo (soi Patpong I)? I have to report their 2 best performers, Nan and Dear, are gone. Nan is in Kasalong, Dear went to Pattaya. Unfortunately, not worth going to SOL now due to staffing issues, but they have a uniquely public setup (no other place does that), so I honestly hope they'll bounce back.

Don't go to BJ bars for the looks. Should be obvious there will be no models with amazing faces working in a BJ bar, sucking off all comers for 700 baht a pop (a few throw in a bit of rimming as well), most likely about half of which goes to the girl, rest to the venue. Personally, I'm actually surprised some of the BJ women don't look entirely horrible, given that they do $10 blowjobs (many times per day) without a real ability to choose customers. Many of them are competent at what they do. I still like the no-nonsense business model of those venues, no silly barfines or excuses.

My current favorite is Som's Haven, it still has some semblance of a fun vibe (that most other venues miss these days).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2123891]Personally I doubt that a good looking girl like that has to pick up her customers in the Beergarden these days.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=EihTooms;2123642]if he is offering 3,000 baht for ST. It would not require him to find "the ugliest girl" in the place to generate serious interest in sitting with him[/QUOTE]May be these two views demonstrate what I am trying to say. His post has double meaning that is written with a purpose to provoke status quo. Just like the ladyboy and cosmetic surgery comments is a way to provoke him, and this is just my guess. I only find the back and forth amusing but unnecessary. I think whatever your response is, either good or bad, he is going to reflect it back similarly.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2123642] we get this ridiculous fabrication:[/QUOTE]Maybe it is fabrication but I view it as an elaborate bear plot. The reason is because he has always provided context to support his post. It won't be hard to expose him by using the context information. Whether it is worth the effort or not, that is up to you but I think it is better than getting upset or angry about his posts.

He has offered to exchange girl's contact. One can try it and use the eventual negative outcome to discredit him. I read that he exchanged contact with another member to get Vlady's contact. Why not just send a PM to that member to find out if it is true in order to discredit him?

He mentioned he has 50% success rate with girls on GFE or something on the first date. IMO, this is not a good number if the targets are massage parlor girls, but I know what he means, and I appreciate this information since I have been wondering about this myself because I am nowhere near the 50% mark with the types of girls he mentioned. Maybe I need some GAME to improve my number, haha.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2123874]It's not just a matter of supply and demand. The P4 P industry in Thailand has always seemed to operate outside of what we think of as a true free market. Of course the same can be said of many aspects of the economy here. But yes, if they are paying more for less; they are being ripped off and changing the market for the worst. They are being taken advantage of. And if you have ever been into the CH or numerous GoGos in Pattaya you will see the Thai gals surrounding their victims and milking them for drinks like it is not tomorrow. Can't wait till the mainlanders come. They are demanding and will give 'em hell if they don't get good service.[/QUOTE]The underlying mechanism for pricing in any given transaction in a capitalist society is supply and demand, by default. If you're going to make the claim that it's more than supply and demand, then the burden is on you to explain what other forces are at work. The claim that they're paying more for less, is based on a lot of assumptions. For example, not paying the absolute lowest price isn't necessarily indicative of being ripped off. I think we can agree that many girls are open to negotiating their price, and even a Westerner who negotiated a price of, say, $2000ST in a Go Go bar can't be absolutely sure that's the lowest price they could possibly get with a particular girl. If the price is something the seller and buyer both agreed to without coercion, then a fair trade has been made. Also, value is determined by more than price alone. Some people simply value their time on vacation much more than whatever savings they can get by negotiating for what amounts to $30-$40 USD off.

If mainlanders really give them "hell if they don't get good service", and don't reward the girls with a proportionate increase in price, the girls can simply refuse to do business with mainlanders (like how some of them now refuse to deal with Westerners). The fact that you can't "wait til that happens" suggests you're not thinking with reason, but rather emotion.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2124071]Pardon my inexperience, I've only been doing this for 20 years.

We must have a different definition of a GFE. For me, GFE is all about a friendly attitude, the girl being able to give a convincing illusion that she's enjoys being with you to some degree (with money being an incidental incentive). Bit similar to how a good movie gives that willing suspension of disbelief, where a crappy one doesn't. Of course, any GFE girl would normally do DFK (which eager girl doesn't) and BBBJ, but it's NOT about specific physical acts. There are girls who allow DFK and BBBJ (and much more!) but don't qualify as GFE.

Sure, you can pay hookers more money for specific acts (to some extent), but you can't really change their attitude and get GFE, unless you're either gullible or don't really care about the attitude. Some guys just care to do X, why, and Z, and if the girl acts apathetic or even bitches about it, well, too bad. Sometimes those sessions are fine and can be fun, but they sure aren't GFE in my book.[/QUOTE]Pardon me but its rude to half read a sentence and cut out the rest as it showcases poor comprehension skills. "But you can't really change their attitude and get GFE, unless you're either gullible or don't really care about the attitude. Some guys just care to do X, why, and Z, and if the girl acts apathetic or even bitches about it, well, too bad. Sometimes those sessions are fine and can be fun, but they sure aren't GFE in my book." Again read the half sentence you cut out and my first statement of my last post.

[QUOTE=PrinceMV2;2123868]I sat for almost an hour last evening.

Had a sandwich and a beer. Could find only aged ugly ladies.

Sadly I could not find many good looking gals around soi streets. If its beautiful it must be lady boy. It was not the case few years ago when I could easily pick good looking young gals even from Nana parking in cheap price. Lastly am too surprised to see many very good looking western guys romancing the ugliest, out of shape, ladies who can easily find roles in horror movies. I wished I could tell those guys common buddy see your personality and see the lady you are lip kissing with.

Visited many clubs like insanity, route 36 , glow, sing sing, onyx, sugar, level. Could not see stunners. Used to the shanghai clubs where one can see loads of stunners. Pickup joints like Manhattan and Kama in Guangzhou are way better in quality. Even Jakarta I found way better in term of quality and price.

Look like my last visit to Thailand. Many more countries to explore. Will try to post few FRs in Bangkok forum soon. Going Pattaya tomorrow for few days.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]This is still New Year's week, which means many if not practically all of the more financially successful P4P girls (meaning better looking and/or better at their job) are out of town visiting their families or staying home to be with their families, except for those who don't have much of a family. That would be especially true of Freelancers who, by their choice of "venue" suggest they probably have husbands, serious boyfriends, kids and such nearby who are not expecting them to be busy during this particular time with whatever cover job they have told them they are doing instead of what they are really doing.

[QUOTE=PrinceMV2;2123872]Visited all the main BJ shops at least three times each to cross check. Lollypop, wood (dr BJ earlier) Casalong, lolittas, soms heaven and BJ bars like after school, jungle jims, fanny ets. Quality just sucks. I will better do hand jobs myself rather than putting my cock in these ugliest faces and mouths. LOL.[/QUOTE]You could try 7 heaven on Soi 33 for better looking faces. Damage 1300 for BJ, YMMV on service though.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2124071]Pardon my inexperience, I've only been doing this for 20 years.

We must have a different definition of a GFE. For me, GFE is all about a friendly attitude, the girl being able to give a convincing illusion that she's enjoys being with you to some degree (with money being an incidental incentive). Bit similar to how a good movie gives that willing suspension of disbelief, where a crappy one doesn't. Of course, any GFE girl would normally do DFK (which eager girl doesn't) and BBBJ, but it's NOT about specific physical acts. There are girls who allow DFK and BBBJ (and much more!) but don't qualify as GFE.

Sure, you can pay hookers more money for specific acts (to some extent), but you can't really change their attitude and get GFE, unless you're either gullible or don't really care about the attitude. Some guys just care to do X, why, and Z, and if the girl acts apathetic or even bitches about it, well, too bad. Sometimes those sessions are fine and can be fun, but they sure aren't GFE in my book.[/QUOTE]I find that when it comes to me paying a bit more in order to get what I consider and have referred to as a "Real GFE", i.e. at least a BBBJ+CIM, possibly with a Swallow finish and/or BBFS, the kind of nicer and friendlier attitude you mention tends to follow anyway. In fact, one reason I make those acts my goal with or without an extra money offer is to better ensure a warmer, more sensual and erotic experience overall, not just to get my uncovered dick to finish in one of two holes, so to speak.

I'm not sure I have ever gotten an agreement on those conditions for a bit more money and then had to suffer through a session of apathy and bitching. My sense is the very act of engaging in something much more intimate than the basics, as sexually intimate as two people can get really, triggers a response and behavior in the girl that closely resembles real love-making between two people who genuinely like each other, even if she had no feeling in that regard to start with. Quite literally, a barrier is lifted. Interesting thing about human beings; often, behavior precipitates attitude and not the other way around.

After working in Thailand for more than 20 years, I have been told hundreds of stories, and known many men who have fallen in love with Thai bar girls and lost their money, respect, and sometimes even their life.

Especially for the newbies coming to Thailand, young man or old man, the same rules apply. But when you're in your 40's 50's or 60's and you come from your home country where you may not get noticed and oftentimes you are lonely, coming to Thailand and having tons of young bar girls fall all over you will change how you think about reality. I see many old men happily walking down the street with their 20 something year old bar girl. Have fun, but don't fall in love with these girls. There are no exceptions. I've talked to many men here who said that there bar girl is different than the other bar girls. And they happily give her money and then when they leave send her a monthly allowance, I often time see the same girls walking down the street with other older men while receiving her monthly allowance from her old boyfriend that has returned to his home country.

Come to Thailand have fun enjoy the weather and the women. But think of it as Disneyland for adults. Once you walk out of the gate the fantasy is over. The same with Thailand. Have fun in Thailand, but once you leave, the Fantasy of young women wanting you is over.

Let's be honest. Young girls in Thailand do not grow up thinking that their dream is to have a man in his 50s or 60s. Anyone assumes this is ridiculous and being unrealistic. Young Thai girls, just like any other young girls in the world, dream about having true love with a boyfriend her age. In her bedroom she will have pictures of young rock stars on her wall. So why then do we see so many young girls with old men in Thailand. Simply, it's for the money. There is no other reason.

In Thailand, there are tons of beautiful young girls who are dirt poor. I've seen them as I've traveled throughout Thailand. These girls are uneducated poor but pretty! They have white or brown skin. Long black hair and a sexy shape. But many of them are as poor as dirt and dumb as a doornail. These girls will be with old men because of money. They can make more money from one guy than they can make in one year working at a convenience store like Family Mart in Thailand. The average salary at a Family Mart in the countryside is about $8 a day.

And remember, the Thai girls see you as rich. They figure if you can get on an airplane and fly from your country to Thailand, you must have money. And they want some of it! Do not fall for the stories that their family is sick, their mother needs help, their family needs a new pig to survive on, the farming season has been tough and there's no money to send her sister to school. Don't fall for the silly excuses that you'll hear from the Thai girls to get money out of you.

And if you should be so unlucky to marry a Thai BARgirl, a Thai bar girl that is, then you will deserve all the pain and heartache that you will receive. If you are naive enough to buy Thai girls house in the countryside you will quickly see how these girls would turn on you. Remember, you cannot own land in Thailand. Nor can you own the house on the land. You can own a condo in Thailand but you cannot own land. I've seen many foreigners in the Countryside buy houses and land and put it in the name of their wife or girlfriend only later to lose everything when the girls sells.

I know many men will disagree with what I have written and that's fine. But there will be a few men who read this and their eyes will be open and will save them some heartache. It's for them I write these words.

[QUOTE=JayFung;2124205]The underlying mechanism for pricing in any given transaction in a capitalist society is supply and demand, by default. If you're going to make the claim that it's more than supply and demand, then the burden is on you to explain what other forces are at work. The claim that they're paying more for less, is based on a lot of assumptions. For example, not paying the absolute lowest price isn't necessarily indicative of being ripped off. I think we can agree that many girls are open to negotiating their price, and even a Westerner who negotiated a price of, say, $2000ST in a Go Go bar can't be absolutely sure that's the lowest price they could possibly get with a particular girl. If the price is something the seller and buyer both agreed to without coercion, then a fair trade has been made. Also, value is determined by more than price alone. Some people simply value their time on vacation much more than whatever savings they can get by negotiating for what amounts to $30-$40 USD off.

If mainlanders really give them "hell if they don't get good service", and don't reward the girls with a proportionate increase in price, the girls can simply refuse to do business with mainlanders (like how some of them now refuse to deal with Westerners). The fact that you can't "wait til that happens" suggests you're not thinking with reason, but rather emotion.[/QUOTE]I lost you on your first sentence, as I am not a believer in religions, including that which worships pure unfettered capitalism as an all-pervasive god. Actually, there are a multitude of things that can distort capitalistic markets and it is just as reasonable, actually more so, for someone to ask you to justify the claim pussy is sold in a pure unfettered capitalistic market as it is for you to ask someone to prove "other forces" (other than pure unfettered capitalism) explains the price of pussy in Thailand or elsewhere. Shall we start with police corruption and the effect that has on pricing; monopoly power held by those who control many of the establishments (along with likely collusion in price setting), and so forth.

If you want to experience pure capitalism, find a far away village somewhere and buy some vegetables at an outdoor market. There is at least some chance your transaction will reflect an unfettered free market, although even there maybe not.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;2124271]There are no exceptions.[/QUOTE]While I mainly agree with your premise, and think that 99% of those type of relationships are disasters, I don't agree that there are no exceptions. I know of some exceptions where the couples are a western men in their 50's or 60's and Thai bar girls in her 20's or early 30's who have been happily married for close to 10 or even more years. They have kids together and have no problems at all. Hell, one of them I kind of regret not marrying myself. Great girl. Unfortunately, she refuses to cheat on her husband because I'd love to have another round with her for old times' sake.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;2124271]I know many men will disagree with what I have written and that's fine.[/QUOTE]I can't see why! This report should be compulsory reading for ANY man going to Thailand for the first time. Well done Undercoverh.

[QUOTE=Klassic;2124003]That's when you use your brain and throw the girl out if you feel you're getting scammed. The supply in BKK is higher than demand anyways. Seriously do I need to respond multiple times to my original post when basic common sense could've differentiated the difference between "throwing extra money" and getting ripped off, I thought using the upper brain when dealing with such things was a must.

Your logic just answered you. "They are demanding, loud, and will present quite a shock to the gals. They will long for the days of Western mongers. ". Compare exactly your definitions of a mainland monger vs a western monger and a current Asian monger (sing / Japanese / Korean) to the western monger. You'll see exactly why a girl prefers an Asian monger to a western one. These are the days of the Asian monger who definitely believes that they are not overpaying and that they're not getting scammed, so they will continue to dictate the market.[/QUOTE]Actually I do throw them out. And in regards to your final paragraph, it's all about the money. The reports I hear from the gals is that the Korean guys are gruff, non-communicative, in some instances quite rough, and in almost all instances there is no possibility of a long term relationship with them, which is not how you would describe most Western mongers who are looking for a GFE or a potential GF and wife. It's all about the fact that they pay more and the fact that there are fewer and fewer Western mongers coming to Thailand.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2124280]While I mainly agree with your premise, and think that 99% of those type of relationships are disasters, I don't agree that there are no exceptions. I know of some exceptions where the couples are a western men in their 50's or 60's and Thai bar girls in her 20's or early 30's who have been happily married for close to 10 or even more years. They have kids together and have no problems at all. Hell, one of them I kind of regret not marrying myself. Great girl. Unfortunately, she refuses to cheat on her husband because I'd love to have another round with her for old times' sake.[/QUOTE]Lots of exception really. I as well have many friends who have been with their ex-bargirl wives and GFs with 10 to 20 years age difference for over a decade and have enjoyed very successful relationships. Some have even raised the gals kid she had with a Thai dude and their own kids together. So yes, it is possible. What is not possible is a long distance relationship. If you don't live here, forget it.

[QUOTE=JayFung;2124205]The underlying mechanism for pricing in any given transaction in a capitalist society is supply and demand, by default. If you're going to make the claim that it's more than supply and demand, then the burden is on you to explain what other forces are at work. The claim that they're paying more for less, is based on a lot of assumptions. For example, not paying the absolute lowest price isn't necessarily indicative of being ripped off. I think we can agree that many girls are open to negotiating their price, and even a Westerner who negotiated a price of, say, $2000ST in a Go Go bar can't be absolutely sure that's the lowest price they could possibly get with a particular girl. If the price is something the seller and buyer both agreed to without coercion, then a fair trade has been made. Also, value is determined by more than price alone. Some people simply value their time on vacation much more than whatever savings they can get by negotiating for what amounts to $30-$40 USD off.

If mainlanders really give them "hell if they don't get good service", and don't reward the girls with a proportionate increase in price, the girls can simply refuse to do business with mainlanders (like how some of them now refuse to deal with Westerners). The fact that you can't "wait til that happens" suggests you're not thinking with reason, but rather emotion.[/QUOTE]There is not such thing as a "free market. " It has never existed and never will, no matter what the Libertarians tell you. There is always some sort of coercion and it is never a matter of "choice" as long as a person needs to "work for a living. " As LA Guy stated, plenty of things distort a market and in Asia there is worlds of plenty.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2124071]Pardon my inexperience, I've only been doing this for 20 years.

We must have a different definition of a GFE. For me, GFE is all about a friendly attitude, the girl being able to give a convincing illusion that she's enjoys being with you to some degree (with money being an incidental incentive). Bit similar to how a good movie gives that willing suspension of disbelief, where a crappy one doesn't. Of course, any GFE girl would normally do DFK (which eager girl doesn't) and BBBJ, but it's NOT about specific physical acts. There are girls who allow DFK and BBBJ (and much more!) but don't qualify as GFE.

Sure, you can pay hookers more money for specific acts (to some extent), but you can't really change their attitude and get GFE, unless you're either gullible or don't really care about the attitude. Some guys just care to do X, why, and Z, and if the girl acts apathetic or even bitches about it, well, too bad. Sometimes those sessions are fine and can be fun, but they sure aren't GFE in my book.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. Been at this for a couple of decades myself and if she is not a good actress and is apathetic no matter what her skill set is it is very apparent to me and no GFE or PSE will ensue. Back when they were all looking for sponsors or husbands they were much more convincing.

This Bangkok site is a real downer. If things are as bad as you're saying, what the hell are you doing here. Better blank space than negativity. Nothing but whining and bitching. Bargirls are all evil in your eyes. Shove it. I have a great time here.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;2124337]This Bangkok site is a real downer. If things are as bad as you're saying, what the hell are you doing here. Better blank space than negativity. Nothing but whining and bitching. Bargirls are all evil in your eyes. Shove it. I have a great time here.[/QUOTE]I'm glad you are enjoying yourself. Why am I here? I've lived here for almost 20 years; it's home. Many of us are quite ensconced here and it would be difficult to leave; jobs, businesses, significant others, etc. But would I choose it now? Probably not and that is not just based on the P4 P scene, which in BKK has become quite meh at best. There are other nations that are far more accommodating to expats, have more benefits for long-term residents, and have a much easier path to citizenship.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;2124271]After working in Thailand for more than 20 years, I have been told hundreds of stories, and known many men who have fallen in love with Thai bar girls and lost their money, respect, and sometimes even their life.
I know many men will disagree with what I have written and that's fine. But there will be a few men who read this and their eyes will be open and will save them some heartache. It's for them I write these words.[/QUOTE]I would go one step further and say that any man who "rescues" a bar girl or even brings a " good girl" home from Asia has got a 15% chance of success. So that 15% can suffice all the good stories from your detractors.

As my mate says. If you were going to get on a plane and you knew it had a 85% chance of crashing (or if you are more optimistic 70% or 60% or 50%) would you get on that plane?

Now I know many will say but any relationship can have a degree of failure but here is the rub.

I am shocked by what men in the West will do to get permanent pussy. I have seen them change, bow down and grovel to women purely because they are able to get their dick in once in a while.

Now along comes a Thai / Filipina / (insert Asian country in here) girl. Young, at the time subservient, willing to fulfill your fantasy and bingo. I'll make her my bride and we will live happily ever after.

Did you know the strongest thing you can say to a woman is "No". Try it sometime, tell them I don't need sex, I don't have to fuck you, you will be surprised the response you get. Sometimes they work even harder.

When I travel I always know that it is pure entertainment and I don't go past that in my head. I look at it like she is providing me with a service and I am providing her with an income BUT I am always respectful and remember I am dealing with a human being not just pussy receptacle.

A lot of guys in the West have got it so wrong I believe. They let women rule them and think too much with the wrong head.

It might interest readers to know that I have an Asian partner of 10 years (no not married) and I live in a Western country. The difference. She came here when she was 20 . She is now 46 (looks 32).

Yes go monger like I do but for God's sake treat it for what it is. Paid for fantasy for a period of time. If you get serious with her. Well good luck. I would love not to say "Told you so" .

[QUOTE======*****man;2123942]It surprises me that some posters are so gullible they can't see it for the obvious windup that it is. The photos look like they've been taken from some random Tinder profile (apart from the one with the blurred face which could be from anywhere) so I doubt he ever met this girl. He must be laughing his nuts off at the responses here though.[/QUOTE]Awhile back I randomly met this girl off Tinder, or maybe I stole her photos of a random Tinder account. I can't really remember, because I'm dyslexic with a wild imagination. Again just my luck because she was just another below average girl, not pretty at all. Her service was below standards according to most. When I first met her off my imaginary Tinder account, I paid her 3,000 baht her allowing me to give myself a hand job while smelling her arm pits. Strangely, I learn to like this as an after thought. I was scared to ask for more because she told me that, being Asian, I was just lucky to even have a booking with her.

She said she preferred middle aged farangs because they are known to have abandoned everything in their Western life and country to come to Thailand in search of a real girlfriend, marriage, and unity in the name of true love. Meanwhile, filthy Asians are just sex tourists. For a second, I thought it was more of a legality and prostitution thing in their country, or maybe, a weird old man chasing a young girl thing in their country. But I think she's right! Most likely have so much success in women, sex, and love in their Western country, that they would want to spread their love and knowledge to third world countries. Now I understand why so many farangs profess to know it all about the women and lifestyle of these Thai girls. She said she has started a movement amongst the Thai girls to rename from farang which means "foreigner" to Samadong. I don't know the latter. Sorry, I'm not an expert.

Anyways, I ran into the same girl again after New Years, now working the street across Nana Plaza, near Hooters. She didn't really want to go with me this night, but rather she said she was looking for a farang instead. This was around 11 pm. I then ordered a burger and chips from Hooters and ate while keeping my eye on her. Staring her body down with each bite of my juicy burger. At midnight, she was still there, so I tried again. This time she agreed to go for 1000. She offered BBFS with CIM, but I told her I just want the same as last time. She said I had to pay an extra 500 baht. Back in the hotel room, I inhaled my Thai menthol nasal tube thing and whipped out my baby oil and got to work. Although she wasn't blessed in the looks department, this was an very enjoyable experience for 1500 baht.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;2124278]I lost you on your first sentence, as I am not a believer in religions, including that which worships pure unfettered capitalism as an all-pervasive god. Actually, there are a multitude of things that can distort capitalistic markets and it is just as reasonable, actually more so, for someone to ask you to justify the claim pussy is sold in a pure unfettered capitalistic market as it is for you to ask someone to prove "other forces" (other than pure unfettered capitalism) explains the price of pussy in Thailand or elsewhere. Shall we start with police corruption and the effect that has on pricing; monopoly power held by those who control many of the establishments (along with likely collusion in price setting), and so forth.

If you want to experience pure capitalism, find a far away village somewhere and buy some vegetables at an outdoor market. There is at least some chance your transaction will reflect an unfettered free market, although even there maybe not.[/QUOTE]How does police corruption have any bearing on what's being discussed here? Is that causing Japanese men to pay more for prostitutes than Western men? The Japanese are paying because it's a good deal to them, and Westerners are complaining because now some think the price Japanese and other Asians pay, are too high.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2124326]Lots of exception really. I as well have many friends who have been with their ex-bargirl wives and GFs with 10 to 20 years age difference for over a decade and have enjoyed very successful relationships. Some have even raised the gals kid she had with a Thai dude and their own kids together. So yes, it is possible. What is not possible is a long distance relationship. If you don't live here, forget it.[/QUOTE]On a recent visit with a male friend to a club on 11 we started chatting to a very attractive Thai lady in I'm guessing her early thirties. She was smart and spoke good English. I attach a snippet of a wide ranging conversation about life In Thailand.

My friend: I know a girl who has three sponsors sending her 30,000 a month each.

Attractive Thai lady: Wow! Good business.

Sure there are success stories but falling for and sending money to a girl in the hope she stays faithful is mostly not going to happen.

First she gets bored at home, perhaps just gets horny, can make more money and besides doesn't see going with other men as that big a deal.

As the saying goes you can take the girl out of the bar but not the bar out of the girl.

Went to Lollypop 1 at around 6 pm today. Posting from the bar chair itself. Ordered a coke for around 80 bht and started working on ph as WiFi is free here. Than saw this girl name' if' playing pool. You can say she is quite average looking girl. Fair colour smooth skin and mainly very well mannered. Must be 24/24 my guess. The girl sitting at counter gave me hint about her and I said OK. So If took me inside to first floor. Asked me to sit on the sofa and cleaned my with tissues and some liquid. Than blew me very smoothly for next 20 min or so including balls licking and all. Very nice BJ and cum in 700 baht with a nice looking girl at last.

Should try at least once will say.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2124342]I'm glad you are enjoying yourself. Why am I here? I've lived here for almost 20 years; it's home. Many of us are quite ensconced here and it would be difficult to leave; jobs, businesses, significant others, etc. But would I choose it now? Probably not and that is not just based on the P4P scene, which in BKK has become quite meh at best. There are other nations that are far more accommodating to expats, have more benefits for long-term residents, and have a much easier path to citizenship.[/QUOTE]Please name the places that are better overall. I still think Thailand beats every other place on earth when your top consideration is easy access to young girls and an overall nice environment. And yes, even still relatively cheap.

Yes, Thailand was better 20 years ago, but I still think it's the number one spot for mongers to not only visit, but to live. And I travel a lot, so I am curious which other nation(s) you consider better these days. I sure haven't seen them.

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[QUOTE=Smoothy;2124412]Please name the places that are better overall. I still think Thailand beats every other place on earth when your top consideration is easy access to young girls and an overall nice environment. And yes, even still relatively cheap.

Yes, Thailand was better 20 years ago, but I still think it's the number one spot for mongers to not only visit, but to live. And I travel a lot, so I am curious which other nation(s) you consider better these days. I sure haven't seen them.[/QUOTE]For me, Thailand is much better now than when I was monger vacationing here 20-25 years ago. The two biggest improvements, for me again that is, is that 20-25 years ago was the height of the HIV hysteria condom mania regarding a predicted heterosexual transmission epidemic that never happened and there were no smartphones with fast if highly imperfect translation apps and social networks. I was no more capable of finishing while wearing a condom then than now, so convincing a girl to go bareback during that era, particularly with a serious language barrier, was a major hurdle every time. Can't say how things were 10 years ago since I took about a decade long break from vacationing in Asia until I moved here about 5 years ago. Maybe that was a sweet spot time to monger here, don't know.

And in terms of living conditions, wow, Bangkok is a much more comfortable and convenient place to be now than 20-25 years ago thanks to the MRT, BTS and since noise abatement and anti-exhaust laws were passed regarding motorcycles, buses, cars and trucks.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;2124415]The guy who complained the blowjob bar girls aren't beautiful enough takes the cake. There is no other country in the world that even has a blow job bar. These clowns don't know when they've got it made. Rather a blank page than whining and bitching about everything.[/QUOTE]His other big complaint was there were no stunners or girls worth the time and money among the freelancers in the usual clubs and bars the night before, apparently unaware of the fact that New Year's week to Thai people re being with their families is like Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Thanksgiving, New Years Eve and New Years Day to USA people all rolled into one week. The more financially successful freelancers are not working this week. Stretches of Sukhumvit look like a ghost town even tonight, January 3rd. Very few street vendors. Many restaurants are closed until the 6th of January.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2124412]Please name the places that are better overall. I still think Thailand beats every other place on earth when your top consideration is easy access to young girls and an overall nice environment. And yes, even still relatively cheap.

Yes, Thailand was better 20 years ago, but I still think it's the number one spot for mongers to not only visit, but to live. And I travel a lot, so I am curious which other nation(s) you consider better these days. I sure haven't seen them.[/QUOTE]I'd probably look at some places in Europe (Portugal, Greece, some Eastern nations) or South America. Actually Malaysia has a very nice visa program, Malaysia my 2nd Home, and plenty of gals.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2124420]And in terms of living conditions, wow, Bangkok is a much more comfortable and convenient place to be now than 20-25 years ago thanks to the MRT, BTS and since noise abatement and anti-exhaust laws were passed regarding motorcycles, buses, cars and trucks.[/QUOTE]I actually preferred it 20 years ago. It was far less posh and still had a bit of an edge to it. And for that matter you could eat at the best restaurants in town for literally peanuts. Le Normandie had specials during low season where you could have a three course lunch for 999 Baht and the exchange rate at the time was 44 to 1. Never spent more than 25 USD for amazing food at the cities great restaurants. As it has become more comfortable and convenient, more people have come and the prices have skyrocketed, but in my opinion the quality has not.
Of course I loved Cambodia in late 90s early 00s. Very cool place. And the perceived danger kept most away.
I find BKK even more noisy now with all the big bikes and the aftermarket pipes they put on.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;2124415]The guy who complained the blowjob bar girls aren't beautiful enough takes the cake. There is no other country in the world that even has a blow job bar. These clowns don't know when they've got it made. Rather a blank page than whining and bitching about everything.[/QUOTE]No offense BJ Bars originated from Japan and are still very popular there and accessible to foreigners (only some, not all). + Vietnam has BJ bars which are basically hair salons / BJ bars. + I think S Korea has them but never visited one there, went to kiss bars there though. Although I agree bitching and whining is pointless.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2124516]I actually preferred it 20 years ago. It was far less posh and still had a bit of an edge to it. And for that matter you could eat at the best restaurants in town for literally peanuts. Le Normandie had specials during low season where you could have a three course lunch for 999 Baht and the exchange rate at the time was 44 to 1. Never spent more than 25 USD for amazing food at the cities great restaurants. As it has become more comfortable and convenient, more people have come and the prices have skyrocketed, but in my opinion the quality has not.
Of course I loved Cambodia in late 90s early 00s. Very cool place. And the perceived danger kept most away.
I find BKK even more noisy now with all the big bikes and the aftermarket pipes they put on.[/QUOTE]In those days, 20-25 years ago, I couldn't get out of Bangkok and to Pattaya fast enough. Some people say it is still smoggy here. But I can't say it bothers me like it did back then. You could see the putrid exhaust jetting out of every vehicle, especially the motorbikes, and filling the streets with putrid fumes like San Francisco fog. The noise was deafening and unrelenting. Traffic would come to a standstill and, other than riding motorbike taxis through all that exhaust, you were going be stuck in it with no alternatve. They would have had to offer me fantastic deals on hotel rooms and food just to keep me there more nights than necessary on late arrival or to catch my flights.

And, honestly, I don't recall Soi Cowboy, Nana or Patpong offering such great sexually rewarding experiences at then bargain prices. Instead, I remember having to be much more wary of rip-offs and bait and switch scams than I needed to be in Pattaya. And that the sex overall in Thailand was not nearly as good as in the Philippines.

I usually spent about half of my vacation time in Thailand and half in the Philippines because I wanted to experience both after traveling so far to get to this part of the world. And because the infrastructure was better in Thailand then as now. But when it came to the women, I always kind of missed the Philippines when I was in Thailand but never missed Thailand when I was in the Philippines. LOL.

When it came time to retire in one place or another, Thailand's superior infrastructure and lower crime rate won out. And I fully intended to take 2-3 week trips to the Philippines to get my sweeter, more loving Filippina sex fix every six months or so. But do you know I have not taken one trip to the Philippines for that fix in the 5+ years I have lived in Bangkok?

It turns out all of the sweeter and more loving feeling I thought I would be missing in Bkk as I missed it 20-25 years ago can be had right here these days. Right along with the more strictly mercenary sex for cash transactions, of course. So I have not felt the need to go outside of Bkk for anything of a sexual nature. Have honestly not had time or a break in the rewarding action long enough to feel a need for it.

That is why I credit smartphones, dating apps, translation apps and the Line app for making it that way for me today when it was not that way for me at all 20-25 years ago.

[QUOTE=JayFung;2124389]How does police corruption have any bearing on what's being discussed here? Is that causing Japanese men to pay more for prostitutes than Western men? The Japanese are paying because it's a good deal to them, and Westerners are complaining because now some think the price Japanese and other Asians pay, are too high.[/QUOTE]You are the one who raised the issue of the free market as the mechanism determining pricing and you challenged members of this board to explain what other forces are at work ("The underlying mechanism for pricing in any given transaction in a capitalist society is supply and demand, by default. If you're going to make the claim that it's more than supply and demand, then the burden is on you to explain what other forces are at work"). I responded to your challenge.

If you don't think police corruption and the bribes P4P places have to pay affect pricing, you are living in a fantasy world. My post wasn't an attempt to address whether certain ethnic groups are driving up prices; it was meant to address your naïve statement about capitalism and the free market as it applies to P4P.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;2124611]You are the one who raised the issue of the free market as the mechanism determining pricing and you challenged members of this board to explain what other forces are at work ("The underlying mechanism for pricing in any given transaction in a capitalist society is supply and demand, by default. If you're going to make the claim that it's more than supply and demand, then the burden is on you to explain what other forces are at work"). I responded to your challenge.

If you don't think police corruption and the bribes P4P places have to pay affect pricing, you are living in a fantasy world. My post wasn't an attempt to address whether certain ethnic groups are driving up prices; it was meant to address your nave statement about capitalism and the free market as it applies to P4P.[/QUOTE]The statement was clearly made in relation to the main argument a few punters here are making; that somehow Asians are being ripped off when they're paying willingly.

Also, to address your largely irrelevant point that doesn't pertain to the main argument: If you think bribes are not subject to market forces as well, perhaps that's the truly naive statement.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2124515]I'd probably look at some places in Europe (Portugal, Greece, some Eastern nations) or South America. Actually Malaysia has a very nice visa program, Malaysia my 2nd Home, and plenty of gals.[/QUOTE]You wouldn't be getting laid in Portugal or Greece. And Malaysia is a far drop from Thailand in my opinion. Personally, I think Malaysia sucks and I've been there many times and speak the language. I'd take Indonesia over Malaysia any day (although not so easy getting a visa in Indonesia), but I'd take Thailand over any of them.

You are already in the best place, and if you did leave Thailand you'd very likely regret that decision. But again, I do agree it's not as good as it used to be in Thailand.

[QUOTE=JayFung;2124656]The statement was clearly made in relation to the main argument a few punters here are making; that somehow Asians are being ripped off when they're paying willingly.

Also, to address your largely irrelevant point that doesn't pertain to the main argument: If you think bribes are not subject to market forces as well, perhaps that's the truly naive statement.[/QUOTE]Just because you are paying willingly does not mean you are not being ripped off.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2124699]You wouldn't be getting laid in Portugal or Greece. And Malaysia is a far drop from Thailand in my opinion. Personally, I think Malaysia sucks and I've been there many times and speak the language. I'd take Indonesia over Malaysia any day (although not so easy getting a visa in Indonesia), but I'd take Thailand over any of them.

You are already in the best place, and if you did leave Thailand you'd very likely regret that decision. But again, I do agree it's not as good as it used to be in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Actually there are brothels in both Portugal and Greece, and truth be told gals are not the main focus at this point when it comes to a place to live. Indo is far superior to MA when it comes to gals, but I don't think I could live in Indo.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2124566]In those days, 20-25 years ago, I couldn't get out of Bangkok and to Pattaya fast enough. Some people say it is still smoggy here. But I can't say it bothers me like it did back then. You could see the putrid exhaust jetting out of every vehicle, especially the motorbikes, and filling the streets with putrid fumes like San Francisco fog. The noise was deafening and unrelenting. Traffic would come to a standstill and, other than riding motorbike taxis through all that exhaust, you were going be stuck in it with no alternatve. They would have had to offer me fantastic deals on hotel rooms and food just to keep me there more nights than necessary on late arrival or to catch my flights.

And, honestly, I don't recall Soi Cowboy, Nana or Patpong offering such great sexually rewarding experiences at then bargain prices. Instead, I remember having to be much more wary of rip-offs and bait and switch scams than I needed to be in Pattaya. And that the sex overall in Thailand was not nearly as good as in the Philippines.

I usually spent about half of my vacation time in Thailand and half in the Philippines because I wanted to experience both after traveling so far to get to this part of the world. And because the infrastructure was better in Thailand then as now. But when it came to the women, I always kind of missed the Philippines when I was in Thailand but never missed Thailand when I was in the Philippines. LOL.

When it came time to retire in one place or another, Thailand's superior infrastructure and lower crime rate won out. And I fully intended to take 2-3 week trips to the Philippines to get my sweeter, more loving Filippina sex fix every six months or so. But do you know I have not taken one trip to the Philippines for that fix in the 5+ years I have lived in Bangkok?

It turns out all of the sweeter and more loving feeling I thought I would be missing in Bkk as I missed it 20-25 years ago can be had right here these days. Right along with the more strictly mercenary sex for cash transactions, of course. So I have not felt the need to go outside of Bkk for anything of a sexual nature. Have honestly not had time or a break in the rewarding action long enough to feel a need for it.

That is why I credit smartphones, dating apps, translation apps and the Line app for making it that way for me today when it was not that way for me at all 20-25 years ago.[/QUOTE]Interesting how our perceptions differ. I far prefer the BKK of 20 yrs ago to the BKK today. Fewer shopping malls, people were less focused on material goods as there were fewer to be had, no smartphones, less developed, lower prices, and overall a friendlier attitude towards westerners. It also had a grittier feel to it and you could pretty much do what you wanted to as long as you stayed away from drugs and did not hurt anyone.

I spent a lot of time in Cowboy in those days, at least three nights a week, and I remember gals who were eager to please, 80 Baht (2 dollar beers), 400 Baht barfines, and 1 k Baht STs and 1500 Baht LTs. It was a buyer's market all the way. Gals were competing for guys, not the other way around.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2124721]Interesting how our perceptions differ. I far prefer the BKK of 20 yrs ago to the BKK today. Fewer shopping malls, people were less focused on material goods as there were fewer to be had, no smartphones, less developed, lower prices, and overall a friendlier attitude towards westerners. It also had a grittier feel to it and you could pretty much do what you wanted to as long as you stayed away from drugs and did not hurt anyone.

I spent a lot of time in Cowboy in those days, at least three nights a week, and I remember gals who were eager to please, 80 Baht (2 dollar beers), 400 Baht barfines, and 1 k Baht STs and 1500 Baht LTs. It was a buyer's market all the way. Gals were competing for guys, not the other way around.[/QUOTE]I think that complaining about the 2nd part has led to the first.

This wishful thinking if westerners wanting prices to remain the same over a 20 year period tends to come out in your interactions with the girls. Thailand is no longer a 3rd world country and due to globalization and the internet Thais are much more savvy to how the top percent live. The curtain has been ripped down and the ladies expect better these days.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2124721]Interesting how our perceptions differ. I far prefer the BKK of 20 yrs ago to the BKK today. Fewer shopping malls, people were less focused on material goods as there were fewer to be had, no smartphones, less developed, lower prices, and overall a friendlier attitude towards westerners. It also had a grittier feel to it and you could pretty much do what you wanted to as long as you stayed away from drugs and did not hurt anyone.

I spent a lot of time in Cowboy in those days, at least three nights a week, and I remember gals who were eager to please, 80 Baht (2 dollar beers), 400 Baht barfines, and 1 k Baht STs and 1500 Baht LTs. It was a buyer's market all the way. Gals were competing for guys, not the other way around.[/QUOTE]I think the difference in our enthusiasm for the Thailand P4P scene back then is a matter of interesting timing; bad timing for me, much better timing for you. You have been saying you arrived about 20 years ago. I have been saying I was coming here 20-25 years ago. 20 years ago (1997/1998) would have been about the last vacation I took here before I went on a long hiatus from mongering in Asia while I worked my ass off in the usa in order to retire earlier somewhere.

So I was coming here from the early 1990's to the late 1990's, while you were just arriving in the late 1990's. The big push to scare the shit out of Thai girls about having real sex with anyone anytime without a condom and even then you'd better be very careful or you will most certainly die was the early 1990's. By the time the Asian financial crisis hit Thailand in mid-1997, the government funds and interest to support the Scare The Shit Out of Young Thai Girls About Having Real Sex program had begun to dry up.

Not to mention how a major financial crisis in Asia, hitting Thailand pretty hard, would tend to improve the attitude among Thai P4P girls anyway.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2124771]I think the difference in our enthusiasm for the Thailand P4P scene back then is a matter of interesting timing; bad timing for me, much better timing for you. You have been saying you arrived about 20 years ago. I have been saying I was coming here 20-25 years ago. 20 years ago (1997/1998) would have been about the last vacation I took here before I went on a long hiatus from mongering in Asia while I worked my ass off in the usa in order to retire earlier somewhere.

So I was coming here from the early 1990's to the late 1990's, while you were just arriving in the late 1990's. The big push to scare the shit out of Thai girls about having real sex with anyone anytime without a condom and even then you'd better be very careful or you will most certainly die was the early 1990's. By the time the Asian financial crisis hit Thailand in mid-1997, the government funds and interest to support the Scare The Shit Out of Young Thai Girls About Having Real Sex program had begun to dry up.

Not to mention how a major financial crisis in Asia, hitting Thailand pretty hard, would tend to improve the attitude among Thai P4P girls anyway.[/QUOTE]Accurate assessment I would say. Thailand was still reeling from the Asia Crisis when I arrived. Attitudes among the population towards foreigners was very upbeat and positive. As the economy improved the attitudes went in the other direction.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2124721]Interesting how our perceptions differ. I far prefer the BKK of 20 yrs ago to the BKK today. Fewer shopping malls, people were less focused on material goods as there were fewer to be had, no smartphones, less developed, lower prices, and overall a friendlier attitude towards westerners. It also had a grittier feel to it and you could pretty much do what you wanted to as long as you stayed away from drugs and did not hurt anyone.

I spent a lot of time in Cowboy in those days, at least three nights a week, and I remember gals who were eager to please, 80 Baht (2 dollar beers), 400 Baht barfines, and 1 k Baht STs and 1500 Baht LTs. It was a buyer's market all the way. Gals were competing for guys, not the other way around.[/QUOTE]I agree with everything you said Goat, except that I want to go back to 30 years ago.

The biggest negative back then was the traffic (no trains then) but I always walked everywhere so it was easy.

Cowboy was raw and wonderful. Soi 33 Dead Artists bars were fantastic, and Thermae and the Rex Hotel coffee shop were both absolutely certainties.

I recall 3 of us (all caucasians) having a contest to see who could get inside Thermae and out again with a girl in fastest time. I was timekeeper. Ready-set-go. The winner was back outside in well under a minute; the other guy only seconds behind him. I sauntered in after being judge and we were all set with girls in under 5 minutes.

Sorry to keep on about the good old days but they were so much fun.

Came out of my hotel at Soi3 Sukhumvit. A taxi stopped seeing me with a suitcase. Asked him for Pattaya. Asking price 1200 bht. I offered 800. He came down to 1000 and I was in the cab with 2 minutes and in Pattaya walking street in around 2 hours after he filled gas from station. As simple as this.

Within few minutes of reaching am getting better vibes, better feel, more friendly people; better looking sexy chicks who are far better maintained than the chicks on soi streets in Bangkok. Perfect mood setup for a perfect holiday and lot more peace of mind. Lot better valye for your bucks and more easy to pocket food.

Upcoming FRs of Pattaya in Pattaya forum.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2124816]I agree with everything you said Goat, except that I want to go back to 30 years ago.

The biggest negative back then was the traffic (no trains then) but I always walked everywhere so it was easy.

Cowboy was raw and wonderful. Soi 33 Dead Artists bars were fantastic, and Thermae and the Rex Hotel coffee shop were both absolutely certainties.

I recall 3 of us (all caucasians) having a contest to see who could get inside Thermae and out again with a girl in fastest time. I was timekeeper. Ready-set-go. The winner was back outside in well under a minute; the other guy only seconds behind him. I sauntered in after being judge and we were all set with girls in under 5 minutes.

Sorry to keep on about the good old days but they were so much fun.[/QUOTE]Jealous! Bet it was amazing. Glad I caught the end of the Golden Era. Development is not a good thing for our hobby. Can't think of any place that has actually gotten better for P4 P as it has developed. Also the fun element disappears. In BKK fun has disappeared from more than the P4 P scene.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2124870]Can't think of any place that has actually gotten better for P4 P as it has developed. [/QUOTE]Angola, Africa.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2124897]Angola, Africa.[/QUOTE]Ugh. Not into African gals.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2124699]You wouldn't be getting laid in Portugal or Greece. And Malaysia is a far drop from Thailand in my opinion. Personally, I think Malaysia sucks and I've been there many times and speak the language. I'd take Indonesia over Malaysia any day (although not so easy getting a visa in Indonesia), but I'd take Thailand over any of them.

You are already in the best place, and if you did leave Thailand you'd very likely regret that decision. But again, I do agree it's not as good as it used to be in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I will be building a house in East Java in the next 5 years for my retirement. I know some of the language and having the Indo wife makes it easy. I will be close enough to Surabaya and Bali for some fun and will enjoy the cheaper living expenses. If I was to make a move now or 10 years earlier in my life I would definitely look at Bali or Jakarta but realistically I think in my mid 60's I won't need wall to wall pussy 24/7 LOL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2124930]Ugh. Not into African gals.[/QUOTE]The women there are not all full African. That was a Portuguese colony, so many of them are mixes. They have a Brazilian type of culture and Brazilian looking mulata women. If you like Brazilian women, you would like the women in Angola. There are extremely hot women there. (and very slutty). I think the black women you find in Bangkok are absolutely horrible. But it's the exact opposite in Angola.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2125055]I will be building a house in East Java in the next 5 years for my retirement. I know some of the language and having the Indo wife makes it easy. I will be close enough to Surabaya and Bali for some fun and will enjoy the cheaper living expenses. If I was to make a move now or 10 years earlier in my life I would definitely look at Bali or Jakarta but realistically I think in my mid 60's I won't need wall to wall pussy 24/7 LOL.[/QUOTE]Indonesia is tough. If you are married, that will facilitate a visa. However, I believe that neither you nor your wife will own that home after you both pass away and will not be able to pass it down to relatives. Once she marries a foreigner, I believe she loses her right to "own" that property and it becomes a 30 year lease type of situation where the Government will eventually take it from you since you (and her) and now considered to be foreigners.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2125124]Once she marries a foreigner, I believe she loses her right to "own" that property and it becomes a 30 year lease type of situation where the Government will eventually take it from you since you (and her) and now considered to be foreigners.[/QUOTE]Not sure this is corrct. I have a friend who is married to an Indo girl and they own property there under her name. They have a son who would inherit the property if he retains his Indonesian citizenship but he needs to decide before he turns 18. If he chooses Australian citizenship he will lose his Indonesian citizenship and then cannot inherit. But Indo citizens do not lose their right to own property unless they give up their citizenship.

It's more than six months since I last visited Bangkok and I'm told the Fun Police have shut down Climax and Bangkok Beats is no more. So where can one go to enjoy live music and meet freelancers in Nana-Sukhumvit area now?

[QUOTE=PrinceMV2;2124817]Came out of my hotel at Soi3 Sukhumvit. A taxi stopped seeing me with a suitcase. Asked him for Pattaya. Asking price 1200 bht. I offered 800. He came down to 1000 and I was in the cab with 2 minutes and in Pattaya walking street in around 2 hours after he filled gas from station. As simple as this.

Within few minutes of reaching am getting better vibes, better feel, more friendly people; better looking sexy chicks who are far better maintained than the chicks on soi streets in Bangkok. Perfect mood setup for a perfect holiday and lot more peace of mind. Lot better valye for your bucks and more easy to pocket food.

Upcoming FRs of Pattaya in Pattaya forum.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]This weekend, starting pretty much last night, should see a major uptick in numbers of better girls in both Pattaya and Bangkok as their New Year's week family time has passed and now they need to make money again. I noticed it last night in Bangkok. Big difference from just the night before. Picked up a new girl I hadn't seen strolling the Suk / Soi 4 area before; slim, very good legs, well proportioned overall, tallish, light skin, nice face, very sweet smile, pleasant as in trying to be light, entertaining and funny demeanor, shoulder length styled hair. I would say mid-20's. Stopped me in passing on my way back to my room and changed my mind about going home alone. Claims to have just moved out of her Korean boyfriend's apartment because he was returning home. Appears from her physical condition, clothing, bag, shoes, etc. to have been well-maintained and supported by someone.

45 minute lame but well-intentioned massage in room first, even better looking smooth and sexy body naked, nearly all shaved pussy except for a small patch above. No noticeable baby damage but did not ask about babies. No hassle whatever agreement to BBFS after assuring her I had gotten a vasectomy and offering to show her my very recently dated blood check document from Thai Red Cross. Heavenly feeling pussy. Lots of BBBJ foreplay before and DFK during. She was very responsive and delighted about DATY. She seemed to have cum at least twice via DATY and a couple more times in lovely cowgirl. Me, only once in missionary. Happily. Will come to my room anytime now via Line for the same LT at 2,000 baht plus 200 baht taxi deal. Was with me in my room from about 11 PM until leaving around 9 AM this morning. Could easily have gone another round of BBFS or (or so she says since I have not tried it with her yet) BBBJ+CIM this morning but I declined since I really don't like to finish in the morning or early in the daytime anymore. I like to have something to look forward to in the evening, especially heading into the weekend on a Friday.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2125055]I will be building a house in East Java in the next 5 years for my retirement. I know some of the language and having the Indo wife makes it easy. I will be close enough to Surabaya and Bali for some fun and will enjoy the cheaper living expenses. If I was to make a move now or 10 years earlier in my life I would definitely look at Bali or Jakarta but realistically I think in my mid 60's I won't need wall to wall pussy 24/7 LOL.[/QUOTE]Heh Heh. I would have thought your Indo wife might have something to say about that.

Had to do a trip into Bangkok to the USA Embassy today the 5th, since the appointment was really early in the morning make plans to stay overnight. Tuesday heard from a friend the bus station on Pattaya Nua was packed and backlogged due to so many people trying to leave Pattaya to Bangkok but I felt by Thursday it shouldn't be a problem but when I got to the station at 1:45, the next bus tickets were being so was for 3:10. By the time I actually got to Bangkok it was close to 6 pm.

Decided to go back in time and stay at my point of orgin Nana Hotel, close to everything especially the Embassy. Sure the place has always been a dump but my dump the price had gone up to 1690, but to my surprise when I entered into the room everything inside had been renovated and I mean everything a complete 360 turnaround most memorable was the red dirty carpet now is hardwood laminated type floors.

Took a shower and venture out to get something to eat, since over the holiday I was pretty much sick of pussy I just wanted to relax on my own and check out a bunch of places. After dinner, headed towards Soi Cowboy, walking the left side of Sukhumvit doing some visual shopping for a few items on the way back. I got to Therma's bunch of girls and LB standing around outside, I had lost track of time, started to walk down the stairs got to the door and realized it wasn't 8 pm yet. So decided to come back later but on the way back up the stairs there were a few smiles and where you go stuff.

One place I wanted to see again was Crazy House which I was there last August. That visit I found pretty much the best looking girls I've seen in a long long time from Go Go the biggest plus majority of them are nude and many when done just walk around in the same manner and they aren't heavy in pushing for drinks. Well, when I walked in I ended up in exactly the same seat I had last time the place reminds me of a mini Bacarra in Pattaya. This time the smoke was heavy or the guys next to me doing most of the damage. I stayed for 2 drinks Sangsom rock 170 a piece but this time the all nude girls seem to be on the other end and with so many girls there isn't any rotation I try to move but the place was already crowded.

During the two drinks I realized the line up wasn't anything like last time and I was there long enough to see repeats of girls coming off and on the stage so decided time to leave. Since my last trip Soi Cowboy I hit 6-7 places none to my liking plus no topless or nudity since I missed Bacarra last time I walked in, no one ask me to buy a drink outside before going in just walked in it was very crowded so crowded no one even bother to try to find me a seat. I ended up on my own walking starting on the left went all the way around nothing so decided to leave gladly since every girl on the stage had clothes on. Didn't bother to even look up or try upstairs.

So ended back to Nana, but before back down to Therma's got my one drink did the slow walk around while all the Asian like to sit in the middle and stare. Many of the girls called out in Japanese to me when I responded not Japanese. I ended up talking to two girls that remember me earlier when they were sitting outside waiting for it to open. Both not bad, quoted me 3500-5000 but I never gave them any respond I normally just smile straight face and keep talking another subject. In the end, I waited for the price to drop but it never did, even if they did, I wasn't up for any so best I got their number and told them next time in town I will give them a call.

So, back to Nana, heavy police present in front of Nana checking bags, took me a while to get to Nana Plaza since they held up passenger crossing for a long long period most likely Royal family again. Last trip I hit if I remember correctly 5 places, majority of them no topless or nudity and then there are a number that seem to hire LB in the mix. My top spot last time here was Spanky's so gave it another try, it didn't disappoint, tonight the girls in my opinion were far above what I saw at Crazy house and majority of them were topless as was in August. At some point they got 3 girls dancing topless dancing holding onto rings balancing on the metal beams. I was near the corner in the front and got attracted to the one that is what I call thick, but nice big round ass and thick shapely legs all natural breast, it was the way she dance on the beam that sold me but I never BF, told her had my shot earlier next time got her number. So after a hour drinking with her off to bed way past my bedtime already.

Bus ride back to Pattaya got real slow at the very end, where they open a bunch of new toll booths at Chon Buri, at some area the traffic getting through was stop and go. I wonder with the extra number of tolls when the taxis and bus prices will go up? Pull into the station got off and noticed a long line from the booth to the sidewalk of Pattaya Nua, next time schedule Bangkok a week later than right after New year.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2125200]Heh Heh. I would have thought your Indo wife might have something to say about that.[/QUOTE]LOL She has plenty to say about everything. I always have some business (she thinks) to attend in other areas and countries! I think as we get older she is secretly hoping that I push my libido onto other pussies LOL. In 10 years time I will probably be shagged out anyhow.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2125147]Not sure this is corrct. I have a friend who is married to an Indo girl and they own property there under her name. They have a son who would inherit the property if he retains his Indonesian citizenship but he needs to decide before he turns 18. If he chooses Australian citizenship he will lose his Indonesian citizenship and then cannot inherit. But Indo citizens do not lose their right to own property unless they give up their citizenship.[/QUOTE]At the moment you are spot on. She is still a Indonesian citizen. There are moves for permanent resident status like we do have here in Australia and by the time we are ready hopefully it will be in. If worse comes to worse she can have the have the house in the village and I will keep our house in Canberra LOL. We have a kid and at the moment she has dual citizen citizenship and I know she will choose to be an Aussie but again there may be provisions for permanent residency for her but I don't think losing a house in East Java will be a major concern for her.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2125308]
One place I wanted to see again was Crazy House which I was there last August. That visit I found pretty much the best looking girls I've seen in a long long time from Go Go the biggest plus majority of them are nude and many when done just walk around in the same manner and they aren't heavy in pushing for drinks. Well, when I walked in I ended up in exactly the same seat I had last time the place reminds me of a mini Bacarra in Pattaya. This time the smoke was heavy or the guys next to me doing most of the damage. I stayed for 2 drinks Sangsom rock 170 a piece but this time the all nude girls seem to be on the other end and with so many girls there isn't any rotation I try to move but the place was already crowded.

During the two drinks I realized the line up wasn't anything like last time and I was there long enough to see repeats of girls coming off and on the stage so decided time to leave. Since my last trip Soi Cowboy I hit 6-7 places none to my liking plus no topless or nudity since I missed Bacarra last time I walked in, no one ask me to buy a drink outside before going in just walked in it was very crowded so crowded no one even bother to try to find me a seat. I ended up on my own walking starting on the left went all the way around nothing so decided to leave gladly since every girl on the stage had clothes on. Didn't bother to even look up or try upstairs.
[/QUOTE]Of course the line ups will be poor right now, as many of best girls away for New year. May pick up if some girls desperate for rent money. Not that many places with full nudity. Sometimes see through outfit is good enough for me, e.g. Sharks gogo girls.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2125153]This weekend, starting pretty much last night, should see a major uptick in numbers of better girls in both Pattaya and Bangkok as their New Year's week family time has passed and now they need to make money again. I noticed it last night in Bangkok. Big difference from just the night before. Picked up a new girl I hadn't seen strolling the Suk / Soi 4 area before; slim, very good legs, well proportioned overall, tallish, light skin, nice face, very sweet smile, pleasant as in trying to be light, entertaining and funny demeanor, shoulder length styled hair. I would say mid-20's. Stopped me in passing on my way back to my room and changed my mind about going home alone. Claims to have just moved out of her Korean boyfriend's apartment because he was returning home. Appears from her physical condition, clothing, bag, shoes, etc. to have been well-maintained and supported by someone.
[/QUOTE]Unusual to get a girl that good on Soi 4.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2124816]Cowboy was raw and wonderful. Soi 33 Dead Artists bars were fantastic, and Thermae and the Rex Hotel coffee shop were both absolutely certainties.

I recall 3 of us (all caucasians) having a contest to see who could get inside Thermae and out again with a girl in fastest time. I was timekeeper. Ready-set-go. The winner was back outside in well under a minute; the other guy only seconds behind him. I sauntered in after being judge and we were all set with girls in under 5 minutes.

Sorry to keep on about the good old days but they were so much fun.[/QUOTE]Strange you don't mention the Grace Coffee shop. I don't recall going to the REX Coffee shop more than once. Grace a few times but Thermae was the best.

My experience in the old Thermae Coffee shop (was very close to Soi 13) was somewhat different. I did not find that the girl choosing process was rushed at all. You could take your time and talk to girls for quite some time before deciding. The two girls I liked best were knocking back many men that approached them (I assume) since there was no deal. The girls were quite picky I think and they looked good enough to be able to be choosy. I had a very hard time to decide which of the two girls I preferred, so ended up taking the one who did not smoke, and repeated her several nights. She had fabulous real tits, and great GFE fuck. I had never really been with a girl for the night that was both so good a fuck and with such a great body in my life before that. My weak Thai was not the most important thing, even communication was a little difficult. I was later told I should have taken both girls together but did not know if that was an option.

Girls would choose which man wisely in many cases I think, since hook-ups were always LT as far as I know, and many girls were only casual part time hookers with normal jobs, but sometimes needing extra money. They probably wanted to have an enjoyable night as well as make some money. Can't recall what I paid her night for sure but somewhere between 500 and 1 K. This was actually Jan 1991.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2125651]Strange you don't mention the Grace Coffee shop. I don't recall going to the REX Coffee shop more than once. Grace a few times but Thermae was the best.

My experience in the old Thermae Coffee shop (was very close to Soi 13) was somewhat different. I did not find that the girl choosing process was rushed at all. You could take your time and talk to girls for quite some time before deciding. [/QUOTE]You misinterpreted my post Syz and then went on to again write about how you choose women to your liking.

In my post I was not describing any need to rush the choice of a girl at Thermae. I was merely referring to how absolutely easy it was to get a girl, and I mean ANY girl in those days.

There was no need for any negotiation unless you wanted it. The 3 of us were staging a competition to see who could get in and out of Thermae choosing a girl. Unlike your post describing refusals, the period from 30 years ago that I am describing was notable for no refusals. The girls would actively jump in front of you and say "me me me". Of course, if you wished to conduct the long interview to get your choice exactly right like you always do then you could do so but it was very much a buyer's market (as Goatscrot described in his OP).

Re your comment about Grace. It's not strange at all that I never mentioned Grace Coffee Shop because 30 years ago it was almost exclusively a mid-eastern hangout and had no attraction for me at all. On the contrary, the Rex Coffee shop was a must stop for us after we had been in the gogo clubs and wanted to source a LT candidate from the usually extensive smorgasbord always sitting around in the coffee shop, especially after 1 or 2 am.

Unfortunately, both Thermae (as it is now) and Rex (demolished) no longer exist except in my memories, and Grace Hotel is also never, ever on my radar.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2125643]Of course the line ups will be poor right now, as many of best girls away for New year. May pick up if some girls desperate for rent money. Not that many places with full nudity. Sometimes see through outfit is good enough for me, e.g. Sharks gogo girls.[/QUOTE]That is one of the places I went in August, one drink I was out, see thru or not! Still next time in town I will give both another try Crazy and Spanky's which I consider to be the best so far, wish they still had one in Pattaya the one there was just a bad location guess they felt being close to Windmill would help.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2125646]Unusual to get a girl that good on Soi 4.[/QUOTE]I didn't encounter her on Soi 4. We were walking in opposite directions on Sukhumvit Rd near Soi 4 at around Bully's Pub. Although her body would have made the cut, I doubt her face would have met your spec. No surgery issues, but she did not have classically beautiful facial features. Too many individual aspects for you to pick apart. Instead, she hit that often attractive (for me) area of cute but very different look in the face, mostly coming together on the up side due to a rather disarmingly sweet, youthfully un self-conscious smile.

Anyone who loves banging CIS beauties, Shock 39 is the place the go. ST 2 k-3 k LT 4 k-5 k.

You will also find other nationalities. A few Africans, some Turkish depending on the day. But CIS is why you go there.

Cheers.

Any advice for a first time business traveller from India. How to make best use of my evenings and be discreet and safe? Please share any Independent contacts.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2125760]That is one of the places I went in August, one drink I was out, see thru or not! Still next time in town I will give both another try Crazy and Spanky's which I consider to be the best so far, wish they still had one in Pattaya the one there was just a bad location guess they felt being close to Windmill would help.[/QUOTE]Sharks has improved massively from the past line up, with a lot more natural looking girls, however not sure when that occurred exactly. Unfortuantely most of the best lookers are in the Coyote section. There are a couple of hot gogo girls that I know well from years ago (ex Suzie Wong). Very fun girls.

When I have been to Spankies (not recently), I found the line up very limited, but did have one very good take out experience with a skinny girl. I just thought they had too few girls of my type of spec and in total. Also I find the noise of the "spankers" to be irritating, and somewhat childishly stupid. I just don't have the right fetish I guess. I prefer beautiful natural naked girls.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2125953]I didn't encounter her on Soi 4. We were walking in opposite directions on Sukhumvit Rd near Soi 4 at around Bully's Pub. Although her body would have made the cut, I doubt her face would have met your spec. No surgery issues, but she did not have classically beautiful facial features. Too many individual aspects for you to pick apart. Instead, she hit that often attractive (for me) area of cute but very different look in the face, mostly coming together on the up side due to a rather disarmingly sweet, youthfully un self-conscious smile.[/QUOTE]That's okay My only recent repeat Soi 4 girl was maybe a 6 for face and a 6 for body, just not exciting enough even though a good fuck. Tits very saggy after childbirth. First time with her, her tits were much bigger due to still breast feeding (and having milk). LOL.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2125721]You misinterpreted my post Syz and then went on to again write about how you choose women to your liking.

In my post I was not describing any need to rush the choice of a girl at Thermae. I was merely referring to how absolutely easy it was to get a girl, and I mean ANY girl in those days.

There was no need for any negotiation unless you wanted it. The 3 of us were staging a competition to see who could get in and out of Thermae choosing a girl. Unlike your post describing refusals, the period from 30 years ago that I am describing was notable for no refusals. The girls would actively jump in front of you and say "me me me". Of course, if you wished to conduct the long interview to get your choice exactly right like you always do then you could do so but it was very much a buyer's market (as Goatscrot described in his OP).

Re your comment about Grace. It's not strange at all that I never mentioned Grace Coffee Shop because 30 years ago it was almost exclusively a mid-eastern hangout and had no attraction for me at all. On the contrary, the Rex Coffee shop was a must stop for us after we had been in the gogo clubs and wanted to source a LT candidate from the usually extensive smorgasbord always sitting around in the coffee shop, especially after 1 or 2 am.

Unfortunately, both Thermae (as it is now) and Rex (demolished) no longer exist except in my memories, and Grace Hotel is also never, ever on my radar.[/QUOTE]Wrong about Grace coffee shop. 30 years ago not mid eastern at all. Best freelance spot in BKK. Hotel was UAE etc. Except for tower 3, floor 12,14, 15 which were for falang only.

I'm sure this question must have been asked before so apologies in advance for asking, but does anyone have any suggestions for how and where to find Thai girls in BKK (or nearby) who speak reasonably good English?

By the way, I have tried searching for recent reports containing the phrase 'good English', and I have also searched for the word 'students', but I couldn't seem to find anything particularly useful.

Many thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=AlteredEgo;2126653]I'm sure this question must have been asked before so apologies in advance for asking, but does anyone have any suggestions for how and where to find Thai girls in BKK (or nearby) who speak reasonably good English?

By the way, I have tried searching for recent reports containing the phrase 'good English', and I have also searched for the word 'students', but I couldn't seem to find anything particularly useful.

Many thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]The only way to know before you meet and actually talk to them is to contact them via social media and ask and talk to them personally by phone. Other than that you will find out when you meet and talk with them. I'm not too worried about how good their English is as I'm not meeting them for conversation LOL.

[QUOTE=AlteredEgo;2126653]I'm sure this question must have been asked before so apologies in advance for asking, but does anyone have any suggestions for how and where to find Thai girls in BKK (or nearby) who speak reasonably good English?

By the way, I have tried searching for recent reports containing the phrase 'good English', and I have also searched for the word 'students', but I couldn't seem to find anything particularly useful.

Many thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Where or how?

If you are at a GoGo, it's simple and ask the mamasan for the girl that speaks the best / most English. Same at a soapy.

If at a club, you're just going to have to start a convo but in my experience most of the girls at a Insanity / Spasso / Mixx have a pretty functioning knowledge (maybe I was just lucky).

If for "regular" girls, look for girls in customer facing jobs such as the receptionist or hostess at gym / restaurant / hotel. I have run across many smoking hot waitresses at high end hotel bars and they all know English really well.

I prefer they don't speak any English. This turn me on even more, are you looking for a bussniess partner or a tour guide?

[QUOTE=AlteredEgo;2126653]I'm sure this question must have been asked before so apologies in advance for asking, but does anyone have any suggestions for how and where to find Thai girls in BKK (or nearby) who speak reasonably good English?

By the way, I have tried searching for recent reports containing the phrase 'good English', and I have also searched for the word 'students', but I couldn't seem to find anything particularly useful.

Many thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

Donation.

I have a screen shot from the manager of the bar where Joy worked. It is the bank details of Joy's family. If anyone else would like to donate, please PM me for the details. No donation is too small. I've donated just 1,000 Baht but every little bit helps. Another option would be to pass by the bar yourself and leave your donation and they will forward it to her family.

For those of you who don't, she is the girl who works on Soi 6 in Pattaya who fell off the balcony or was pushed off. They have arrested a foreigner on suspicion of murder or manslaughter.

[QUOTE=AlteredEgo;2126653]I'm sure this question must have been asked before so apologies in advance for asking, but does anyone have any suggestions for how and where to find Thai girls in BKK (or nearby) who speak reasonably good English?[/QUOTE]You will find girls in BKK who speak anything from very basic (buy me drink, love you long time) through to fluent like a native speaker. If you're looking for P4 P and want a girl who can speak enough English for you to explain what you wnat then tinder is a good option. You will find out quickly who are there for sex for money and whether they can speak English. If you're looking for a fluent English speaker, such as those who work the front desk of 5 star hotels then you're probably out of luck. These girls don't need money. A lot are educated overseas and come from a wealthy family.

Many thanks to everyone for their constructive replies including Kerrstar, Rob Jones, ModhirFan82 and NRock. Just to clarify: I'm seeking girls who speak English well enough to be able to sustain a reasonable level of conversation for several hours, or even whole days. Not necessarily perfect English, but not just a few basic words either. I tend to get bored otherwise.

Yes I agree that targeting girls who work in 5-star hotels is probably unrealistic and I also agree that highly-educated girls aren't usually the norm in the P4 P sphere.

OK I guess I will try the 'online vetting' route, but I have never really had much success online so far. I find my standards are too high, and also I keep getting targeted by LBs.

Thanks again and if anybody else has any further suggestions I would be more than happy to hear them.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2126934]You will find girls in BKK who speak anything from very basic (buy me drink, love you long time) through to fluent like a native speaker. If you're looking for P4 P and want a girl who can speak enough English for you to explain what you wnat then tinder is a good option. You will find out quickly who are there for sex for money and whether they can speak English. If you're looking for a fluent English speaker, such as those who work the front desk of 5 star hotels then you're probably out of luck. These girls don't need money. A lot are educated overseas and come from a wealthy family.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AlteredEgo;2127048]Many thanks to everyone for their constructive replies including Kerrstar, Rob Jones, ModhirFan82 and NRock. Just to clarify: I'm seeking girls who speak English well enough to be able to sustain a reasonable level of conversation for several hours, or even whole days. Not necessarily perfect English, but not just a few basic words either. I tend to get bored otherwise.

Yes I agree that targeting girls who work in 5-star hotels is probably unrealistic and I also agree that highly-educated girls aren't usually the norm in the P4 P sphere.

OK I guess I will try the 'online vetting' route, but I have never really had much success online so far. I find my standards are too high, and also I keep getting targeted by LBs.

Thanks again and if anybody else has any further suggestions I would be more than happy to hear them.[/QUOTE]Good to get the clarification here. I would actually recommend going to Thermae and chatting up a few of the girls there. A lot of them are "regular" women who have a high level of English skill since they often have normal customer facing jobs at salons, retail, etc. I've met girls there that made for very engaging conversations. They may be willing to spend a few days with you (depending on their work schedule), show you around, and go on "dates" if there is sufficient chemistry. For a price.

Taking a buddy on his first ever tour oversea's and he's been told of the famous Vietnamese hanging sex baskets where the girl gets lowered onto your dick and the basket can be raised, lowered and rotated. I told him that might have been way way back and its probably not available anymore. Anyone ever hear of such a setup anywhere in Asia that's still in operation?

[QUOTE=JesseJames;2126181]Wrong about Grace coffee shop. 30 years ago not mid eastern at all. Best freelance spot in BKK. Hotel was UAE etc. Except for tower 3, floor 12,14, 15 which were for falang only.[/QUOTE]I guess we will just agree to disagree JJ. Maybe the dates are slightly wrong but I sure remember around 1990 it was very much ME.

We're both too old to worry about it or argue about it much any more anyway (insert big grinning smiley).

[QUOTE=AlteredEgo;2127048]
OK I guess I will try the 'online vetting' route, but I have never really had much success online so far. I find my standards are too high, and also I keep getting targeted by LBs.
[/QUOTE]You'll get hit up by both FL's and L's on Tinder but the LB's are upfront about the fact that they are LB's. It's not a bad place to start. You can also guess that a girl doesn't speak much English if her profile is all in Thai, or that she isn't into P4 P and is just looking for a local BF.

[QUOTE=AlteredEgo;2127048]Many thanks to everyone for their constructive replies including Kerrstar, Rob Jones, ModhirFan82 and NRock. Just to clarify: I'm seeking girls who speak English well enough to be able to sustain a reasonable level of conversation for several hours, or even whole days. Not necessarily perfect English, but not just a few basic words either. I tend to get bored otherwise.

Yes I agree that targeting girls who work in 5-star hotels is probably unrealistic and I also agree that highly-educated girls aren't usually the norm in the P4 P sphere.

OK I guess I will try the 'online vetting' route, but I have never really had much success online so far. I find my standards are too high, and also I keep getting targeted by LBs.

Thanks again and if anybody else has any further suggestions I would be more than happy to hear them.[/QUOTE]I found a nice girl on wechat, hairdresser by day, more than adequate English, and GFE. Much cheaper than my smoochie date for 2 hrs the following day. If you want wechat ID, PM me.

Sorry for asking this question. I haven been to BKK for around 5 years. I read a lot of posting for the past but I hope someone could give me some good suggestions.

So is there anyone have any suggestions to find Cute Thai girls in either Gogo Bar, Clubs, Massage Parlour or some place like Thaerme? Do anyone mind to list out best 3 places of Gogo Bar, Clubs, Massage Parlour for me?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2127240]I found a nice girl on wechat, hairdresser by day, more than adequate English, and GFE. Much cheaper than my smoochie date for 2 hrs the following day. If you want wechat ID, PM me.[/QUOTE]I have no experience with Wechat, is it a downloadable app? Can I use it in Australia to contact local Thai girls or do I have to be in the location for it to work? I will try it when I'm in Pattaya next month.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2127130]Taking a buddy on his first ever tour oversea's and he's been told of the famous Vietnamese hanging sex baskets where the girl gets lowered onto your dick and the basket can be raised, lowered and rotated. I told him that might have been way way back and its probably not available anymore. Anyone ever hear of such a setup anywhere in Asia that's still in operation?[/QUOTE]Are you talking about those Ping Pong shows on the Walking Street of Pattaya or what?

[QUOTE=Breadman;2127130]Taking a buddy on his first ever tour oversea's and he's been told of the famous Vietnamese hanging sex baskets where the girl gets lowered onto your dick and the basket can be raised, lowered and rotated. I told him that might have been way way back and its probably not available anymore. Anyone ever hear of such a setup anywhere in Asia that's still in operation?[/QUOTE]Hey Breadman,

I believe this rather unique sexual service that you are talking about is called the helicopter ride. This service was offered to me one time on the 5th floor of Hotel Alexis in Jakarta 3 or 4 years ago. I did not go for it then because the 5th floor import Chinese girls were not my spec and I knew there were much prettier and younger Indo girls waiting for me up in the 7th floor lounge. I checked out the 5th floor last April again before Alexis was sadly shut down a few months later and the 5th floor was then offering threesomes instead of the helicopter ride, but the girls were still not up to my spec so I passed a 2nd time.

This service used to be more widely performed in China before the crackdown and the demise of ChangPing. I read somewhere that a Chinese girl was seriously hurt, maybe in Shanghai - I am not sure, after she was harnessed in improperly. I don't know where it is offered today, certainly not in Farangville, Thailand. 555. Oh well, but I am sure you guys are going to have a great time anyway. Rock on!

[QUOTE=JesseJames;2126181]Wrong about Grace coffee shop. 30 years ago not mid eastern at all. Best freelance spot in BKK. Hotel was UAE etc. Except for tower 3, floor 12,14, 15 which were for falang only.[/QUOTE]Sorry Red Kilt. Seems like you did not visit the Grace enough times to have clear memories, just like my REX memories are rather vague now. Jesse James clearly visited the Grace more often and I went there sometimes.

My experienced Farang buddy showed me the Grace Coffee shop, and I did not get the "Middle Eastern" thing at all.

JJ is partly right. I would not dare say "not ME at all" however to say "almost exclusively Middle Eastern" is well wide of the mark even up to 1991 (27 years ago). It may well be that the Grace became more Middle Eastern dominated in later years.

What I would say, was the Grace girls tended to be a bit older and plumper than at the Thermae, but still having variety. My Farang buddy liked Grace Coffee shop girls (plump ones) more than I did. There were heaps of Farang customers in there, so That I did not notice any ME dominance at all. Me liking skinny girls, I found the Thermae was giving me a better range of girls.

I looked in the REX maybe only once, as I thought Thermae was better. I have actually taken girls from the Grace back in 1991 and in later years (an older girl), and I am not Middle Eastern.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2126672]I prefer they don't speak any English. This turn me on even more, are you looking for a bussniess partner or a tour guide?[/QUOTE]I don't know about prefer, but in 1991 I spent several nights and days with Thai girls who could not speak English. Sex was great. I had a very low amount of Thai, and was no big deal that communication was quite difficult. I learned a hell of a lot, by listening.

I have had a Cuban girl, magnificent in bed, with no English and others similarly. Communication difficulties are not such a big deal, especially if you are young. I have seen Farang guys yacking on and on to East European girls with weak English. The girls would say yes yes, and seem to listen attentively, but in reality having little idea about what the guy was talking about, his James Bond exploits, or whatever. Some guys need to have girls to listen to them talk. However it seems to matter little if the girl really understands or not.

All of you will be very familiar with very one sided dominated conversations where some people talk talk but never want to listen. Then it matters very little if the one forced to listen understands or does not. Interruptions to ask questions to clarify are not allowed, anyway. LOL.

You can find great Thai girls to talk to as well. I have certain Thai girls I like talking to a lot, but don't fuck them. However can get the great sex from some other girl that can't communicate well.

If you get a girl skilled on the bed and also good at English and not boring to talk to, that is just a bonus. I probably only have one of those. Talk to all the others in Thai.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2127444]I have no experience with Wechat, is it a downloadable app? Can I use it in Australia to contact local Thai girls or do I have to be in the location for it to work? I will try it when I'm in Pattaya next month.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]It's a chat app. I think you can set your location but unsure. It works by finding people nearby your location.

My first visit to BKK was in 1997. At that time Grace was mainly a middle eastern hangout with ladies that appeal to those guys. By 2000 it was overwhelmingly middle eastern. My memory isn't what it used to be but that is what I recall. Thermae back then was the most interesting bar I ever visited. Some people likened it to the bizarre bar in the Star Wars movie.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2127479]This service used to be more widely performed in China before the crackdown and the demise of ChangPing. I read somewhere that a Chinese girl was seriously hurt, maybe in Shanghai - I am not sure, after she was harnessed in improperly. I don't know where it is offered today, certainly not in Farangville, Thailand. 555. Oh well, but I am sure you guys are going to have a great time anyway. Rock on![/QUOTE]I have heard of this or a similar service called Red Rope service. Have any of you guys experienced that? Years ago a guy on a Shanghai street keep bugging me to let him take me for red rope service or as he called it led lope. I had no idea what he was talking about and walked away from him. I really regret that now. Would love to do the red rope thing. Or the helicopter basket thing if they aren't one and the same. I'm surprised the Thai soapies never offered this service.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2127444]I have no experience with Wechat, is it a downloadable app? Can I use it in Australia to contact local Thai girls or do I have to be in the location for it to work? I will try it when I'm in Pattaya next month.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I hadn't used it before visiting BKK, no reason to. LOL.

Easy to use. Also I used in it Vietnam but with less success. Works and is used in S. E. Asia widely I believe, and other places. If you use the People Nearby-type function it scans for other users. Just download for free.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2127444]I have no experience with Wechat, is it a downloadable app? Can I use it in Australia to contact local Thai girls or do I have to be in the location for it to work? I will try it when I'm in Pattaya next month.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Wechat is a chat app similar to Whatsapp, Line, Viber, etc. Wechat will show you "people nearby" based on GPS. You can also add friends with phone number or WeChat ID.
You can read some info about wechat and other chat app here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3716-Chat-App-Reports

[QUOTE=RobJones;2127444]I have no experience with Wechat, is it a downloadable app? Can I use it in Australia to contact local Thai girls or do I have to be in the location for it to work? I will try it when I'm in Pattaya next month.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]What the others say about Wechat is correct. It is a free downloadable app for your iOS or Android device. It uses cellular data or WiFi to communicate.

I've used it two different ways. First, when I meet someone they will give me their Wechat ID and then we can communicate worldwide (text, voice messages, video chat). Second, using the "Discover-People Nearby" option, you can find girls who are within about 20 km of you. I don't understand how, but, I have found girls in China through people nearby while I was in USA; apparently there is a way to set your location to something other than your actual location.

Wechat is very popular in many parts of Asia, especially China. Very little use in USA.

In densely populated parts of Asia, people nearby will find too many girls to consider, often they are professionals (e.g., Sukhumvit Soi 11). I don't think it goes as far as 20 km in those situations. In less densely populated portions of USA, you will find zero girls within the 20 km range.

I've twice had success finding non-P4P girls in both USA and Thailand. While in Sukhumvit area, many P4P girls have messaged me through people nearby (keep your people nearby active, if you want this).

Wechat also has "shake" and "message in a bottle", which conceptually could be used to find someone. They have been useless for me.

Not sure if this is right place to ask but here goes.

Can anyone help me.

I have UK passport so on arrival at immigration I get 30 day visa stamped in my passport but this time my partner will come with me but she has an Indian passport. Will she have to go to visa on arrival? Does it take long to get visa on arrival and what documents will they ask for and how long will she get on her visa? I know it is a lot to ask but if anyone with Indian passport has experience I would really appreciate any help.

Thank you.

Hi.

Yes. She can get a visa on arrival usually takes about 15 to 20 minutes to get it, maakt sur you carry her passport size Photo with you and some thai baht I guess the fee is 1000 baht is easy and simple.

[QUOTE=Broxy;2127851]Not sure if this is right place to ask but here goes.

Can anyone help me.
Hi





I have UK passport so on arrival at immigration I get 30 day visa stamped in my passport but this time my partner will come with me but she has an Indian passport. Will she have to go to visa on arrival? Does it take long to get visa on arrival and what documents will they ask for and how long will she get on her visa? I know it is a lot to ask but if anyone with Indian passport has experience I would really appreciate any help.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChoduMadan;2127883]Hi.

Yes. She can get a visa on arrival usually takes about 15 to 20 minutes to get it, maakt sur you carry her passport size Photo with you and some thai baht I guess the fee is 1000 baht is easy and simple.[/QUOTE]It's seems that the fee for VoA is 2000 baht [URL]http://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/visa-on-arrival.php[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2127987]It's seems that the fee for VoA is 2000 baht [URL]http://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/visa-on-arrival.php[/URL].[/QUOTE]Yes, plus they may also ask to see 10,000 baht in cash.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2128010]Yes, plus they may also ask to see 10,000 baht in cash.[/QUOTE]This is a requirement on the website, but I have never heard anyone being asked to show 10000 THB. Better to print your bank details and printout of the hotel booking and return ticket. They almost always asked me the hotel booking and return ticket.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2128010]Yes, plus they may also ask to see 10,000 baht in cash.[/QUOTE]Apart from this, you can be asked to present your valid return ticket. Also, you can consider paying additional 200 THB for fast processing of your visa application. The process is a breeze, takes only a couple of minutes and, IMHO, is worth the paltry additional sum.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2127500]Sorry Red Kilt. Seems like you did not visit the Grace enough times to have clear memories[/QUOTE]Well I have some very clear memories of the Grace and can confirm what Red Kilt is telling you. From the time I first went, in 1979, though the early 1980's, the coffeeshop there catered almost entirely to farang. Not surprising, as there were few Middle Eastern tourists to Thailand then. I don't remember exactly when they started appearing in number but I do recall walking into the Grace one time, maybe late '80's or early '90's and being shocked at how totally the place had changed. Anyhow the place was great fun back then, bigger and livelier than the Thermae. Along with Safari on Patpong in the early '90's and Five Star in Soi Cowboy in the late '90's it still ranks among my favorite Bangkok nightspots ever.

[QUOTE=AnonMous;2128053]Apart from this, you can be asked to present your valid return ticket. Also, you can consider paying additional 200 THB for fast processing of your visa application. The process is a breeze, takes only a couple of minutes and, IMHO, is worth the paltry additional sum.[/QUOTE]Where do you pay 200 bhat for fast processing is it just another counter at visa on arrival section?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2128039]This is a requirement on the website, but I have never heard anyone being asked to show 10000 THB. Better to print your bank details and printout of the hotel booking and return ticket. They almost always asked me the hotel booking and return ticket.[/QUOTE]This has happened to a number of people recently.

[QUOTE=Broxy;2128227]Where do you pay 200 bhat for fast processing is it just another counter at visa on arrival section? Thanks.[/QUOTE]When you reach VoA area, there is a separate window / section towards the left hand side where express processing service is provided. Usually, there is also staff available there to assist you. All you have to do is ask. Even otherwise, there are signs placed to guide you. Hope this helps. Any other query, feel free to ask. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Betong;2128077]Well I have some very clear memories of the Grace and can confirm what Red Kilt is telling you. From the time I first went, in 1979, though the early 1980's, the coffeeshop there catered almost entirely to farang. Not surprising, as there were few Middle Eastern tourists to Thailand then. I don't remember exactly when they started appearing in number but I do recall walking into the Grace one time, maybe late '80's or early '90's and being shocked at how totally the place had changed. Anyhow the place was great fun back then, bigger and livelier than the Thermae. Along with Safari on Patpong in the early '90's and Five Star in Soi Cowboy in the late '90's it still ranks among my favorite Bangkok nightspots ever.[/QUOTE]Appearing in number and being exclusively Middle Eastern, would seem to be two different things. A few of us that did go to the Grace almost 30 ears ago were not Middle Eastern and did not experience Middle Eastern problems.

[QUOTE=Allover;2127550]My first visit to BKK was in 1997. At that time Grace was mainly a middle eastern hangout with ladies that appeal to those guys. By 2000 it was overwhelmingly middle eastern. My memory isn't what it used to be but that is what I recall. Thermae back then was the most interesting bar I ever visited. Some people likened it to the bizarre bar in the Star Wars movie.[/QUOTE]I think the whole disagreement can be explained by different people remembering different dates. As Betong said, originally there was minimal Middle Eastern presence and that grew. In 1991 (my first visit) I did not really think the place was unsuitable for me, except from point of view that too many girls were not skinny enough. My Farang buddy still loved the Grace at that time.

In 1991 it seemed that the Grace and the Thermae were considered the big 2 coffee shops by some groups of Farangs

[QUOTE=Allover;2127556]I have heard of this or a similar service called Red Rope service. Have any of you guys experienced that? Years ago a guy on a Shanghai street keep bugging me to let him take me for red rope service or as he called it led lope.[/QUOTE]There is a place in Singapore, in Geylang, that specialized in the Red Rope.

But not all girls do it well.

Coming to Bangkok after a couple of years away and I've been reading some of online guides to Bangkok nightlife. They have said that in early 2017 all the late night street bars and food stalls have been closed down? Great shame if so, used to enjoy those places on walk home from Nana to the hotel if no girls were appealing or I was too tired from exploits earlier in the day.

Anything replaced the bars, are there any late night places on walk between Nana and Soi 4?

[QUOTE=AnonMous;2128427]When you reach VoA area, there is a separate window / section towards the left hand side where express processing service is provided. Usually, there is also staff available there to assist you. All you have to do is ask. Even otherwise, there are signs placed to guide you. Hope this helps. Any other query, feel free to ask. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]I have used this facility a few times and is really very fast. Takes just a couple of minutes. The line at the regular counters could be pretty frustrating especially when many flights from India, China etc. Land simultaneously. The extra 200 Baht is nothing compared to the torturous wait.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;2128834]I have used this facility a few times and is really very fast. Takes just a couple of minutes. The line at the regular counters could be pretty frustrating especially when many flights from India, China etc. Land simultaneously. The extra 200 Baht is nothing compared to the torturous wait.[/QUOTE]Truer words have never been written. I use this facility without fail and the never ending queues at the regular VoA counters always leave me wondering why more people do not avail of this facility. Is it lack of awareness or just a matter of saving a couple of hundred THB? On the other hand, if everyone started using this facility, its very purpose would stand defeated IMHO.

[QUOTE=Muttley81;2128678]Coming to Bangkok after a couple of years away and I've been reading some of online guides to Bangkok nightlife. They have said that in early 2017 all the late night street bars and food stalls have been closed down? Great shame if so, used to enjoy those places on walk home from Nana to the hotel if no girls were appealing or I was too tired from exploits earlier in the day.

Anything replaced the bars, are there any late night places on walk between Nana and Soi 4?[/QUOTE]I don't normally hang out in Nana very late so can't say much for that, but certainly all the street food is available there in the normal part of the evening and up to bars closing time at least.

Some of the very late night illegal cart alcohol and music bars are still operating but in lower numbers. Certainly they exist in smaller Sois and in Soi 23, 2 months ago for example. Have not checked the scene after closing time recently.

I used to be a customer of Easy Cart Bar in Soi 21 till it and all the others there were swept out more than a year ago. Some cart bars have a lot of Lady boys. Others do not. One big problem was some girls of insufficient age. One of the girls from Easy Bar went to work in Cowboy 2 bar.

The online guides to Bangkok Nightlife get out of date very quickly and of course are biased to interests of the writer. The ISG will give a wider set of view points for Mongers.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2129103]I don't normally hang out in Nana very late so can't say much for that, but certainly all the street food is available there in the normal part of the evening and up to bars closing time at least.

Some of the very late night illegal cart alcohol and music bars are still operating but in lower numbers. Certainly they exist in smaller Sois and in Soi 23, 2 months ago for example. Have not checked the scene after closing time recently.

I used to be a customer of Easy Cart Bar in Soi 21 till it and all the others there were swept out more than a year ago. Some cart bars have a lot of Lady boys. Others do not. One big problem was some girls of insufficient age. One of the girls from Easy Bar went to work in Cowboy 2 bar.

The online guides to Bangkok Nightlife get out of date very quickly and of course are biased to interests of the writer. The ISG will give a wider set of view points for Mongers.[/QUOTE]Thanks Syzygies, much appreciated. I'm not too bothered if they have ladyboys or younger girls (well, I do care about that, but you get what I mean) as I won't be taking out from street bars. They were only ever convenient to break up walk to hotel, have a bit of food and continue to have a laugh on the way home.

I've been finding that on the guides, some of them are out of date from knowledge I have from my last visit in October 2014! Some of better websites no longer exist at all. Long live ISG!

Booked a taxi through Nam's Taxi for Pattaya to BKK, what a great service! The last time I booked one last minute with Rose Taxi and the driver was an absolute lunatic. Following a 3 night stay in Pattaya, we will be in Bangkok for 2 nights before moving onto Vietnam! Anyway, got to Smart Suites hotel around 3 and got some food at the Terminal 21 food court. As I did not get much sleep the night before, my buddy made the comment that I was a walking zombie and recommended a nap. Great call!

Woke up some time around 7 and grabbed a burger at Daniel thaiger (a tad overrated but at least they had a good beer selection). Next we headed to a place that I missed during my last visit, Thermae. Pretty easy to find, got a beer and walked around. What a weird place! Not what I was expecting and nothing really caught my eye. Off to Soi Cowboy we go.

Our first stop was Crazy House. 100 baht cover? What the. Well we got a can of silly string at least. Ordered beers and surveyed the talent. Nothing really caught my eye, but damn were there a crap ton of Chinese. My buddy dared me to blast one of them in front of us, so I waited for one of the dancers to bend over close to his head and I got him good. He got up and walked away, alright! Still didn't see any one that made my weenie tingle, but we did see another Chinese guy with glasses all caught up in one of the girls. I emptied my can and covered that poor sob's face. 100 baht- Worth it! Slammed our beers and headed to Baccara. Jumped prematurely on a spinner with a messed up tooth. Bought her the 2 required drinks as another chick on the stage (#280) caught my eye. My plan was to take this girl out and then come back for 280. Asked what she would do- everything, check and the location of my hotel. She seemed a bit hesitant with the distance, but I said it was a quick motor taxi away. Off we went. The session was meh, nothing really of note, but she did have the spinner body that I was looking for. Unfortunately her pussy smelled, tried to ignore it for the sake of cumming. Finished and sent her on her way, she said she was done for the night and I wished her well.

Headed back to Baccara but my #280 was gone. Darn. Wandered up and down the strip and ended up in Dollhouse. I really enjoyed the vibe here as the waitresses themselves were all really playful. Still in the mood for a spinner, Ploy caught my eye and I motioned her over for a drink. Some other notables were one with a right arm tat that could really shake it, as well as a beauty with a nice ass wearing fake glasses (more on her later). My buddy sent me a message that he was finished with his girl and where to meet. I told him to come to Dollhouse. Well many rounds of drinks later, I barfined Ploy and he barfined the one with glasses. I was a little jealous as I was really feeling her. Oh well. We said we wanted long time and asked how long they'the stay 6 am. Perfect. Off we went in a taxi. We like to mess with the girls and it is funny- every single time we tell them that we are in the same room and the same bed, and they just shrug their shoulders and don't seem to mind. Hil-arious!

At this point, I realized I was a little drunk, but that didn't stop my man from getting up. We showered up and went at it. What a great tasting pussy. Threw the rubber on and she rode me like there was no tomorrow. Went into a bunch of positions before nutting to reverse cowgirl. Passed out in each other's arms and woke up at 9:39 am. Whoops! So much for 6 am. Ploy was a good girl though and knew the drill- freshened up in the bathroom and gave me another session. The ultimate cure for a hangover! Got my nut, her line, and told her maybe ill see her tonight. One thing to note- my buddy's girl aka "Glasses" left at 6 am and didn't give him another session.

Passed out for another couple hrs of sleep and woke up around noon. Headed to Petra Restaurant off Soi Sukhumvit 3 a. If you like Lebanese food, I highly recommend this place!

Went on to a bunch of tourist stuff to say we accomplished something / show the folks back home all afternoon. I will say that surprisingly the temples were not crowded. And a bunch of free food at what Arun!

Decided to give Nana Plaza a try and went to the Rainbows, Angel Witch, and Billboard. Man didn't see many lookers at all. We had beers at each and then decided to hit up Cowboy. Went into Baccara and what a madhouse! To be expected NYE. I was hoping to see 280 and asked the mamasan if she was working. She sent me 282, who was not my style, but I bought her a drink anyway. She knew I was not feeling her and left after the drink. I was having a hard time focusing because my sex addict persona was kicking in and I wanted to bang as many hot chicks as possible. I was actually contemplating skipping the Knife Party show at the Bangkok Countdown Music fest! Asked around at a couple of bars what time they were closing and they said 6 am. OK music fest is on! Around 11 we headed that way. And fuck what a show! I felt like I was rolling and all I was on was alcohol.

Took a motor taxi back and the guy hauled at $$, gave him a couple hundred baht and said respect! Back to Baccara around 1:30 and holy smokes was it barren! I couldn't believe it, it was like a complete 180 from earlier. Gosh darn Chinese! Went into virtually all of the agogos but did not see a single thing. Dammit! Ended up back at Dollhouse and was at least having fun diving in the Styrofoam balls with the dancers / waitresses. My buddy said he was tired and left, I thought that would give me the green light with glasses, so I tried. She was playful, even letting me finger her butthole and then sucking on it (SO TURNED ON! But ultimately asked about my friend. I said he wasn't coming, then she said she was on her period. OK I tried. Ended up taking Ploy again as she was deemed Mel Kiper's Best available at closing time on NYE. Post trip, I did rate her as "best bod" - pic below. As we got back much later than before, I just pounded her in back to back sessions and then sent her on her way so I could get some uninterrupted sleep. Happy f'in New Year! So long Bangkok, it was fun!

Alright so it turns out my buddy is just as much of a degenerate as I am! Hanoi was fun but low key, and after talking to a bunch of people and all of them saying that Ho Chi Minh City sucks, we decided to cut that part of our trip in favor of another night in Bangkok and Pattaya. YOLO! LOL.

So took an early evening flight in BKK from SIem Reap (For anyone who says that the temples cannot all be hit in one day, we came, we saw, we conquered! Took a taxi to Smart Suites, beers / shower and out to Baccara. There was my 280. My buddy also liked a few upstairs and with hardly anyone out, I thought our chances would be pretty good that they would be there later. Went into a bunch of other gogos SW, Tilac, Shark, Cowboy, but not much. Ended back up at Dollhouse, hoping to see glasses, but neither her nor Ploy were there. Probably for the best! We ordered a bunch of drinks for the waitresses and then left. Wow we lost track of time! Back to Baccara we go, but it felt like NYE again! Barren! I felt bad for my buddy as neither of his girls upstairs were there. Fortunately my 280 was there so I quickly corralled her for a drink. She was noticeably tipsy, but was sweet so I decided to barfine her. She had a friend that was also pretty attractive, but she was a tad cold so my friend passed. My girl changed and she said her friends band was playing at one of the bars nearby. Oh boy not a night of boondoggling please. She said she would pay for our beers (she did) and that we could leave whenever. It turns out, her friends were really cool and the music was tolerable. The cover of U2's With or Without You is still in my head, ha! I bought the band a round of drinks and that seemed to make her happy, off we went. My buddy actually picked up a freelancer as we were leaving and negotiated something like 3000 long time. My girl grabbed us some chicken and into taxi we go. All I can say is wow those titties! They are real and they are spectacular! She sure did love getting eaten out! I pounded her out twice, and then was able to get one more in after eating her out and turning her on again. OK, now I feel fulfilled, Bangkok you have done everything you could have done for me! I will note that I did see some decent looking girls down the street from Smart Suites offering Massage, and also a fair amount of freelancers going into Levels. Next time! Pattaya here we come!

[QUOTE=Muttley81;2128678]Coming to Bangkok after a couple of years away and I've been reading some of online guides to Bangkok nightlife. They have said that in early 2017 all the late night street bars and food stalls have been closed down? Great shame if so, used to enjoy those places on walk home from Nana to the hotel if no girls were appealing or I was too tired from exploits earlier in the day. Anything replaced the bars, are there any late night places on walk between Nana and Soi 4?[/QUOTE]I assume that Mr. Muttley's reference to "Nana" means the Nana BTS station. Because, of course, the Nana Plaza is actually on Soi 4.

There isn't much in the way of late night food or drink on the south side of Sukhumvit between the Nana BTS station and Soi 4. There are some street vendors on the sidewalk, but they are selling clothing mainly.

But on Soi 4 itself, there are late night options for food and drink. There are two carts selling noodle soup, one on the east side of Soi 4, very close to the intersection with Sukhumvit, and the other right at the entrance to Nana Plaza. Both are open after the bars close and both have small seating areas on the sidewalk. There are also several food carts on the west side of Soi 4, between the entrance to Nana Plaza and Sukhumvit, selling all the usual street food. Finally, there may be one or two food carts farther south on Soi 4. But they are hit and miss.

As for after hours drinking, that's more difficult. But it's possible. Usually there is a guy with a cooler of beer among the food carts on the west side of Soi 4. The Hillary 4 bar officially closes at 2:00 am But recently they have allowed patrons to sit at the seats overlooking the street after that. Some nights a second guy with a cooler of beer arrives about 2:30 and sells to the folks sitting in front of the bar. In fact, the bar quite helpfully allowed people to come inside and use the toilet.

Bunky.

Went to insanity on Friday and Saturday night on first week of January, picked up girl who is born and brought up in Bangkok. Had a lot of fun with girl in club squeezed her ever where, even played with her pussy by putting my hands in pocket of her jeans but later she got high so took her to restaurant and then we went to room but she was sleepy and had a average experience as she was too much drunk and that turned me off.

[QUOTE=HardKnock734;2129696]Ended up taking Ploy [/QUOTE]Excellent selection!

[QUOTE=Bunky;2130298]I assume that Mr. Muttley's reference to "Nana" means the Nana BTS station. Because, of course, the Nana Plaza is actually on Soi 4.

There isn't much in the way of late night food or drink on the south side of Sukhumvit between the Nana BTS station and Soi 4. There are some street vendors on the sidewalk, but they are selling clothing mainly. <etc.>
Bunky.[/QUOTE]Bunky,

I think your interpretation is most unsafe. Could be a Typo by Mr Muttley? Everyone present knows there are plenty of food stalls on Soi 4. However a strange topic for a mongering forum.

[QUOTE=Muttley81;2129180]Thanks Syzygies, much appreciated. I'm not too bothered if they have ladyboys or younger girls (well, I do care about that, but you get what I mean) as I won't be taking out from street bars. They were only ever convenient to break up walk to hotel, have a bit of food and continue to have a laugh on the way home.

I've been finding that on the guides, some of them are out of date from knowledge I have from my last visit in October 2014! Some of better websites no longer exist at all. Long live ISG![/QUOTE]Very strange last night. A street cart bar that is commonly present, on Soi 23 was already lit up at 9. 45 PM, but only had one girl sitting there to serve drinks, or set it up. I concluded that the other girls would arrive later, and not sure what time they normally open (but definitely late used to be the norm).

I passed by again at about 1 AM. Now the street bar was closed with no girls and no lights. I would have asked what was going on, if anyone was there. However I suspect a police blitz, since several bars in Soi Cowboy had no Neon lights switched on, e. G. Suzie Wong, and some others, while plenty of bars had normal Neon lights on.

Turning the corner from Soi 23 into Sukhumvit and heading towards Asoke, I could see another normal Cart Bar was operating. However did not go there after a problem with a girl at that bar in the past, trying to order drinks that I had not approved.

So I think some Cart bars are operating at times, but it is all a bit iffy. I quite like a bit of fun at Cart bars, but only if they have some very high quality girl(s) that really interest me, and are great fun.

[QUOTE=HardKnock734;2129696]
Took a motor taxi back and the guy hauled at $$, gave him a couple hundred baht and said respect! Back to Baccara around 1:30 and holy smokes was it barren! I couldn't believe it, it was like a complete 180 from earlier. Gosh darn Chinese! Went into virtually all of the agogos but did not see a single thing. Dammit! [/QUOTE]This it not unusual. It is possible to find some great girl in a bar at 1. 30 AM that has just returned from a ST booking not so long, however many girls would not bother to come back into a line up that late.

The optimal time to arrive in a bar is 9 PM IMHO, and then watch the last of the top girls still arriving up to 9. 30 PM. Last night I was in Sharks to see my regulars. One of the sexy girls was arriving back from a ST at about 10 PM so she could have been BFed between 8 PM and 9 PM. My regular girl, arrived quite late to the bar as had attended a birthday party before arriving at work, but did show up a little after 9 PM I guess. These two girls do double bookings as well, but are not into pussy licking, no matter how beautiful and delicious, despite both being ex Suzie Wong girls.

Overall the Sharks line up has declined over last 3 months. Very few really pretty girls left. They used to have some really good looking Coyotes, but they left, and I saw two of them outside of Kiss bar last night. I never BFed Coyotes anyway, as risk is high, with tits completely obscured under hard multi layer bras, so one never knows if the girls tits are good or not, unless manage to get the tit out of the bra somehow, when girl is inebriated.

I intended to make a visit to Crazy House, but just as I was about to sit down at 9. 30 PM+, the shows started. The shows are repulsive to me, so I decided to leave instead of ordering a drink, and wasting time there. So never had a chance to evaluate the line up. One of my old regulars Jane, was there. Others, I don't know.

I should remind people not to bother with Suzie Wong bar. It is nothing like its heyday. It has died as far as I an concerned. Quite a few bars are miles behind what they used to be, even Crazy House is not as high quality as 4 years ago (in its infancy). They don't have the same standards in girl recruitment as what they used to. Old Dutch restaurant has still not reached the end of its lease but must be coming before too long. Crazy House still expected to expand into Old Dutch, even though Crazy House has taken over 5 Star but operates it slightly differently, unfortunately including stupid Coyote girls.

Cowboy Coyotes are often very ordinary girls just being pretentious, thinking they are in some higher class somehow, despite, having no great dancing skills. A percentage of the Coyotes are really good looking skinny girls, but plenty of average ones as well.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2130473]Very strange last night. A street cart bar that is commonly present, on Soi 23 was already lit up at 9. 45 PM, but only had one girl sitting there to serve drinks, or set it up. I concluded that the other girls would arrive later, and not sure what time they normally open (but definitely late used to be the norm).

I passed by again at about 1 AM. Now the street bar was closed with no girls and no lights. I would have asked what was going on, if anyone was there. However I suspect a police blitz, since several bars in Soi Cowboy had no Neon lights switched on, e. G. Suzie Wong, and some others, while plenty of bars had normal Neon lights on.

Turning the corner from Soi 23 into Sukhumvit and heading towards Asoke, I could see another normal Cart Bar was operating. However did not go there after a problem with a girl at that bar in the past, trying to order drinks that I had not approved.

So I think some Cart bars are operating at times, but it is all a bit iffy. I quite like a bit of fun at Cart bars, but only if they have some very high quality girl(s) that really interest me, and are great fun.[/QUOTE]Coincidentally, I happened to be walking by that same Soi 23 cart bar around the same time. Maybe 10 minutes different either way. When I passed by there was an older, chubbier girl standing or sitting behind the cart nearest the wall or fence and another girl, less chubby but still not attractive enough to be do-able imo, standing at the side of the cart. The reason I paid attention to them much at all was because they seemed to be in the midst of a heated argument about something. In Thai, of course. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them walked off in the next few minutes, leaving the other working the cart alone. But there was no evidence of police interaction, just a spat over booze stock levels, who was to do what or something else.

But Soi Cowboy did seem a bit darker and subdued here and there. I stopped to chat a bit with a friend's past girlfriend standing outside Cactus Bar but she didn't say anything about it and I didn't really notice it so much to be alarmed and ask. Same with the Nana bar area. Things just seemed to be a little quieter than they have been in the past few days. And maybe that is because I have not seen the Nana Entertainment Plaza area as crowded and busy as it has been over the previous several days in a long time. Hadn't passed through Soi Cowboy in a while so can't compare. But the Nana area has just been mob scene for the past couple of weeks. Until last night. I have no idea what was going on either.

There was a recent bust of a "bold / sexy" movie shoot on Khaosan Road in the past couple of days. The filmmakers had gotten the proper permits but dressed up the scene with too many sex toy carts and scantily clad actresses for the local authorities' liking so it was shut down. You can see a video clip on the Stickboybkk site. Maybe there were rumors of them busting a few other "bold / sexy" activities around town just to make sure everyone got the message.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2130478]Overall the Sharks line up has declined over last 3 months. Very few really pretty girls left. They used to have some really good looking Coyotes, but they left, and I saw two of them outside of Kiss bar last night. I never BFed Coyotes anyway, as risk is high, with tits completely obscured under hard multi layer bras, so one never knows if the girls tits are good or not, unless manage to get the tit out of the bra somehow, when girl is inebriated.[/QUOTE]I think that one of those two ex-shark coyotes might be Apple. Tiny body with a great rack. Definitely the best tit job I have seen and she's proud of them. Face is just OK for me. Was happy to please me and herself during the action. Not sure that she's doing BBBJ as I didn't asked before or during the interaction. Only took her out for LT once for the price of 4 k LT. Problem is that she was drunk. After that I have met her a few times but she was always drunk so I wasn't interested. Perhaps next time I'll ask her to come over at 3 pm and spend a few hours with me before going to work in Kiss. Not interested to go into that bar due to all the negative comments I have heard about the place.

It's a pity to hear that Shark bars line up has been declined. There aren't that many good lookers to find in most bars om Soi Cowboy. Even two months ago in Crazy House want that great either. Went back then to Cowboy and had a drink with a coyote. There was another bar that had some lookers that time. Funny enough, I can't remember the place. I believe it was almost in front of Cowboy. Perhaps Dollhouse. As I said, don't know for sure.

[QUOTE=HardKnock734;2129707]Alright so it turns out my buddy is just as much of a degenerate as I am! Hanoi was fun but low key, and after talking to a bunch of people and all of them saying that Ho Chi Minh City sucks, we decided to cut that part of our trip in favor of another night in Bangkok and Pattaya. YOLO! LOL.

So took an early evening flight in BKK from SIem Reap (For anyone who says that the temples cannot all be hit in one day, we came, we saw, we conquered! Took a taxi to Smart Suites, beers / shower and out to Baccara. There was my 280. My buddy also liked a few upstairs and with hardly anyone out, I thought our chances would be pretty good that they would be there later. Went into a bunch of other gogos SW, Tilac, Shark, Cowboy, but not much. Ended back up at Dollhouse, hoping to see glasses, but neither her nor Ploy were there. Probably for the best! We ordered a bunch of drinks for the waitresses and then left. Wow we lost track of time! Back to Baccara we go, but it felt like NYE again! Barren! I felt bad for my buddy as neither of his girls upstairs were there. Fortunately my 280 was there so I quickly corralled her for a drink. She was noticeably tipsy, but was sweet so I decided to barfine her. She had a friend that was also pretty attractive, but she was a tad cold so my friend passed. My girl changed and she said her friends band was playing at one of the bars nearby. Oh boy not a night of boondoggling please. She said she would pay for our beers (she did) and that we could leave whenever. It turns out, her friends were really cool and the music was tolerable. The cover of U2's With or Without You is still in my head, ha! I bought the band a round of drinks and that seemed to make her happy, off we went. My buddy actually picked up a freelancer as we were leaving and negotiated something like 3000 long time. My girl grabbed us some chicken and into taxi we go. All I can say is wow those titties! They are real and they are spectacular! She sure did love getting eaten out! I pounded her out twice, and then was able to get one more in after eating her out and turning her on again. OK, now I feel fulfilled, Bangkok you have done everything you could have done for me! I will note that I did see some decent looking girls down the street from Smart Suites offering Massage, and also a fair amount of freelancers going into Levels. Next time! Pattaya here we come![/QUOTE]The dancers of Dollhouse are still totally nude and the Dollhouse does not charge entry fee to customers. Am I right? How about Crazy House?

[QUOTE=Hiete;2130686]I think that one of those two ex-shark coyotes might be Apple. Tiny body with a great rack. Definitely the best tit job I have seen and she's proud of them. Face is just OK for me. Was happy to please me and herself during the action. Not sure that she's doing BBBJ as I didn't asked before or during the interaction. Only took her out for LT once for the price of 4 k LT. Problem is that she was drunk. After that I have met her a few times but she was always drunk so I wasn't interested. Perhaps next time I'll ask her to come over at 3 pm and spend a few hours with me before going to work in Kiss. Not interested to go into that bar due to all the negative comments I have heard about the place.

It's a pity to hear that Shark bars line up has been declined. There aren't that many good lookers to find in most bars om Soi Cowboy. Even two months ago in Crazy House want that great either. Went back then to Cowboy and had a drink with a coyote. There was another bar that had some lookers that time. Funny enough, I can't remember the place. I believe it was almost in front of Cowboy. Perhaps Dollhouse. As I said, don't know for sure.[/QUOTE]Bars are variable. Last night Sharks line up was improved. More girls and more pretty girls. I was there slightly earlier.

Tried Crazy House also for two sets just after 8 PM. Nothing that interested me at all. Very ordinary bunch of girls. Their hiring policy went right away from pretty girls, however could say there were not many fatties. I concluded that the better looking girls probably drift in after 9 PM, if any, but I was gone before that. My regulars had not yet showed up either, so I consumed just one drink. Sad that this bar was once packed out with pretty girls (4 years ago). Still some good bodies, but I am a face man first. The red set (taller girls) are definitely a higher standard than the yellow set (shorter) and green set (uglies and older girls) who get sent upstairs. I recognised Naen and Mon who are reasonably good looking girls, also Ice, Chocolate, and Praow (the later two are ex Doll House girls known to be pathetic on the bed). Chocolate, a bad character girl, has returned after a baby, now has big silicones, and a Caesar scar. Definitely to be avoided. At least 6 regular better looking girls that I know were simply not there (at that time). Sharks line up was better.

The bar opposite Cowboy 2 is not likely to be Doll House. Doll House is opposite Suzie Wong roughly. I would say Lighthouse should be directly opposite Cowboy 2 in the middle of the Soi. It used be my favourite bar when it was called Sheba.

Neon lights fully back on in Cowboy last night. Police scare over? Soi was much more lit up. Soi was much more busy than Thursday night.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2130482]Coincidentally, I happened to be walking by that same Soi 23 cart bar around the same time. Maybe 10 minutes different either way. When I passed by there was an older, chubbier girl standing or sitting behind the cart nearest the wall or fence and another girl, less chubby but still not attractive enough to be do-able imo, standing at the side of the cart. The reason I paid attention to them much at all was because they seemed to be in the midst of a heated argument about something. In Thai, of course. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them walked off in the next few minutes, leaving the other working the cart alone. But there was no evidence of police interaction, just a spat over booze stock levels, who was to do what or something else.
[/QUOTE]Last night close to 1 am the Soi 23 cart bar was in full operation. However its Neon lights were switched off. They had about 3 black girls there, of well above average standard for Suk black girls, and some Thai ladies. I was told the bar is called the Reggae bar. However music was very subdued indeed. A girl told me the police had visited them earlier and asked them to turn the lights off. Not sure what that achieves. LOL. I was just passing, slightly inebriated.

I had been drinking in a small bar called Crazy Cats. They have some better standard girls in there, however all Coyote types. I wasn't there to BF anyone. Some student girls dance there on Fridays and Saturdays. They also have a few very pretty ladyboys in there. The ladyboys seem to pull in the Asian customers very skilfully. The girls are naturally short and have very high heels. The LBs are taller and don't need heels. LOL. I don't know if LBs are post Opp or not. I am still yet to see a LB "Pussy" LOL. Mamasan Dtaai tells me that post Opp LBs typically have pussy only 5 inches and have difficulty to use that with Farangs, and this partially explains why they go for Asian customers. They prefer small dick. Of course many real girls' pussies can stretch to take 7 inch dick, especially those with babies. Not sure how this topic came up at the bar, but it did, despite the presence of more innocent student girls (probably not available for sex). LOL I guess arose after I had asked how many ladyboys worked there and observed that LBs were always with Asian customers.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2130871]They had about 3 black girls there, of well above average standard for Suk black girls[/QUOTE]May I ask regarding the body type of these African providers please?

I'm into the odd black beauty however I have only spotted big bad mamma jammers in BKK.

This post may go down as one of the top most boring posts in recent memory but here goes!

I'll be visiting BKK soon and wanted to know if there are any non-pro bars that are decent to go and meet Thai women? I'm sure this has been kicked around but I'm wondering what people think. I'm interested in some Thai women who may be in their 40's type thing. I remember seeing some night markets listed a few years ago where some women might go for a drink with friends and you can chat them up a bit and get to know them outside of the pro-settings. One that I went to years ago was on Sukhumvit across from the BigC (south of Nana stops etc.).

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated as it would be nice to have some alternative places to go.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=ILoveChicas;2131075]This post may go down as one of the top most boring posts in recent memory but here goes!

I'll be visiting BKK soon and wanted to know if there are any non-pro bars that are decent to go and meet Thai women? {Snip}

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated as it would be nice to have some alternative places to go.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Try Wong's Place. So different it doesn't have a webpage but it is located at:

27/34 Soi Si Bamphen, Khwaeng Thung Maha Mek, Khet Sathon, Krung Thep Maha Nakhon 10120, Thailand.

Worth a look at night.

[QUOTE=HorneeFalang;2131051]May I ask regarding the body type of these African providers please?

I'm into the odd black beauty however I have only spotted big bad mamma jammers in BKK.[/QUOTE]As my name suggests I am into Thai women. I have noticed that some of the black women are very sexy. Just hold out until you find one that appeals. They are numerous not only on Sukhumvit but also on Soi 4 all the way up to Soi 6.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2130868]Bars are variable. Last night Sharks line up was improved. More girls and more pretty girls. I was there slightly earlier.

Tried Crazy House also for two sets just after 8 PM. Nothing that interested me at all. Very ordinary bunch of girls. Their hiring policy went right away from pretty girls, however could say there were not many fatties. I concluded that the better looking girls probably drift in after 9 PM, if any, but I was gone before that. My regulars had not yet showed up either, so I consumed just one drink. Sad that this bar was once packed out with pretty girls (4 years ago). Still some good bodies, but I am a face man first. The red set (taller girls) are definitely a higher standard than the yellow set (shorter) and green set (uglies and older girls) who get sent upstairs. I recognised Naen and Mon who are reasonably good looking girls, also Ice, Chocolate, and Praow (the later two are ex Doll House girls known to be pathetic on the bed). Chocolate, a bad character girl, has returned after a baby, now has big silicones, and a Caesar scar. Definitely to be avoided. At least 6 regular better looking girls that I know were simply not there (at that time). Sharks line up was better.

The bar opposite Cowboy 2 is not likely to be Doll House. Doll House is opposite Suzie Wong roughly. I would say Lighthouse should be directly opposite Cowboy 2 in the middle of the Soi. It used be my favourite bar when it was called Sheba.

Neon lights fully back on in Cowboy last night. Police scare over? Soi was much more lit up. Soi was much more busy than Thursday night.[/QUOTE]"Chocolate, a bad character girl, has returned after a baby, now has big silicones, and a Caesar scar. Definitely to be avoided."

No doubt she speaks highly of you too.

[QUOTE=LaoMan;2131239]"Chocolate, a bad character girl, has returned after a baby, now has big silicones, and a Caesar scar. Definitely to be avoided."

No doubt she speaks highly of you too.[/QUOTE]I give good advice. I have no qualms warning against girls that do not do the right things for the customer. My warnings could be useful to someone. She would already know I hold her in contempt. She even does not care if seen with her Thai boy that she probably supports. I don't give a rats arse what she thinks of me.

Look, Crazy House has some worthwhile girls, but she is not one of them.

For the record, Chocolate loves to flit from customer to customer, moving on as soon as she manages to get a drink out of them. That is part of the bad behaviour. This makes some guys very angry. I am relatively cool about it. It would be just one drink. Some guys get tricked into buying two drinks for girls though. They would then expect the girl to stay and give some return on the investment.

Regular customers of Crazy House, get to know some of the worst behaving girls.

So if you really like Chocolate and think my assessment is unfair, please provide more detail. Or maybe you just think I am impolite to expose the rip off girls.

[QUOTE=HorneeFalang;2131051]May I ask regarding the body type of these African providers please?

I'm into the odd black beauty however I have only spotted big bad mamma jammers in BKK.[/QUOTE]Look I did not make a close inspection as was just passing, however at least 2 out of the three girls were in what I would call skinny category, and faces looked okay Big curls on head not very tight fuzz. Tits and arse I don't know. Perhaps only 1 or 2 in 100 of the Black girls on Sukhumvit are really pretty enough for me. So I have taken a black girl quite rarely. Yes I agree a lot of large caboose types.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2131323]I give good advice. I have no qualms warning against girls that do not do the right things for the customer. [/QUOTE]I would ignore Laoman who judging by his post history uses this site more for petty sniping than adding anything of real value.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;2131353]I would ignore Laoman who judging by his post history uses this site more for petty sniping than adding anything of real value.[/QUOTE]What of value have you added except some nonsense.

Haven't been here for about ten years so I did my research. (I've got two more nights than I'm heading to the US).

Arrived 9 PM on Thursday night. Cleaned up and went to Wood Bar near Nana. Picked a cute young girl. She wore black and was $1000 baht. Others wore white - $800.00 I wasn't sure the difference but apparently is means BBBJ and CIM. She took me upstairs into a smallish cubicle (3rd floor.) A sort of Easy chair. She left, came back and had me take my pants / shoes underwear off. Left my shirt on funny enough. Behind the chair is a sink with a small extension for your Johnson. I walked up to the sink and she cleaned and washed Mr Johnson. Then back to the chair, where she started on my balls a bit. Up the shaft and then the fully monty. Didn't take very long and I CIM. After cleanup and a tip I left.

Interesting place. I don't think I'd go again unless I was pressed for time and wanted the drive through experience. I was in Vienna a few months ago that had a glory hole cabinet that was also pretty intense.

2nd. Went to Analise massage near Nana plaza (about a block away.) Read about the glory hole table. Took two girls for 90 minutes. $2500.27-ish and 22 ish girl. Both with big breasts (natural) the one told me the other had just started 4 days before. Nice big boobs. Quick shower alone.

Face down with Mr Johnson through the hole in the table. 4 handed massage. Very nice if you haven't tried it. 30 minutes and then a handjob from underneath (as far as I could tell) I was expecting a blow job but the hand worked well. They turned me over and continued for 4 handed massage. This time I got more handsy with both of them. The 2nd girls breasts were great. After about 30 more minutes, I got a blow job from one while the other licked my nipples etc. No full on sex. I actually wasn't sure if that was going to happen or what exactly I'd bought, but having two girls work on you was still pretty nice.

3rd. Last night Annies. Picked #2 - curvy and Huge breasts. I seemed to have found the largest natural breasts in Bangkok as far as I could tell. Again not exactly sure the agenda. She brought me into a room and got a tub filling with lots of suds and washed the hell out of me on a rubber mat beside the tub. Wash wash soap. Suck. Suck. Lick. She was pretty aggressive so I had her slow down a bit. Few minutes later CIM. More washing and into the tub where the massage continued. Her in front and back.

Got out of the tub, dried off and then on to the bed. Hard massage for about 30 minutes and then more sucking and fucking until #2 happened. #2 - she was pretty nice overall and a good time was had by all.

A good couple of days. I'm also exhausted from walking miles around the city. I'm taking a night off.

More tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2131187]Try Wong's Place. So different it doesn't have a webpage but it is located at:

27/34 Soi Si Bamphen, Khwaeng Thung Maha Mek, Khet Sathon, Krung Thep Maha Nakhon 10120, Thailand.

Worth a look at night.[/QUOTE]Stykler,

Thanks very much, really appreciate it. I'll gmap it when I get there in a couple of weeks and drop back here to say Hello.

[QUOTE=ILoveChicas;2131075]This post may go down as one of the top most boring posts in recent memory but here goes!

I'll be visiting BKK soon and wanted to know if there are any non-pro bars that are decent to go and meet Thai women? I'm sure this has been kicked around but I'm wondering what people think. I'm interested in some Thai women who may be in their 40's type thing. I remember seeing some night markets listed a few years ago where some women might go for a drink with friends and you can chat them up a bit and get to know them outside of the pro-settings. One that I went to years ago was on Sukhumvit across from the BigC (south of Nana stops etc.).

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated as it would be nice to have some alternative places to go.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Never forget to drop a couple of thousands bahts in the morning. As she is not a pro.

Will be in Bangkok for the first time in a few weeks. I've watched many videos and hidden camera videos online and I'm interested in checking out thermae. I know they're really into Asian guys at that place but westerners are welcome too. Do any of you guys know if black American men are received well at thermae or should I just scratch that place off the list?

[QUOTE=LaoMan;2131445]What of value have you added except some nonsense.[/QUOTE]CSP is one of my favorite CONTRIBUTORS. Especially on the Philippines board where he posts real reports.

[QUOTE=VeryScary;2131675]Will be in Bangkok for the first time in a few weeks. I've watched many videos and hidden camera videos online and I'm interested in checking out thermae. I know they're really into Asian guys at that place but westerners are welcome too. Do any of you guys know if black American men are received well at thermae or should I just scratch that place off the list?[/QUOTE]You can always walk thru and see the reaction. If your clean and good looking I would imagine that you will get some smiles. I have seen brothers in Thermae and although I don't follow their success, I'm sure they scored. Money talks Bullshit walks is the old saying. Good luck.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2132001]You can always walk thru and see the reaction. If your clean and good looking I would imagine that you will get some smiles. I have seen brothers in Thermae and although I don't follow their success, I'm sure they scored. Money talks Bullshit walks is the old saying. Good luck.

RL.[/QUOTE]Agree. Money talks, bullshit walks. Unfortunately for blacks and Indians, you have to get over their prejudice. In every corner of this world there are always women who are turned on by men of different races. You will know right away if you have one of those. But for the most part, you are going to have to be patient, but some drinks and have the girl get to know you a bit better. Bottom line, you will have to spend a bit more time and money. The girls also tend to quote a higher price for Indians and blacks.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2131187]Try Wong's Place. So different it doesn't have a webpage but it is located at:

27/34 Soi Si Bamphen, Khwaeng Thung Maha Mek, Khet Sathon, Krung Thep Maha Nakhon 10120, Thailand.

Worth a look at night.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, I'm going to check that out next time I'm in Bangkok. It sounds like an interesting place if you can avoid abuse from the owner and staff, [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g293916-d4340403-Reviews-Wong_s_place-Bangkok.html.[/URL].

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2132094]Hmmm, I'm going to check that out next time I'm in Bangkok. It sounds like an interesting place if you can avoid abuse from the owner and staff, [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g293916-d4340403-Reviews-Wong_s_place-Bangkok.html.[/URL].[/QUOTE]Never experienced any such problem at Wong's. None.

By the way, Tripadvisor long ago ceased to be a reliable source of information. It is riddled with self promotion reviews and toxic reviews for commercial reasons. I am a big traveller and I don't even have Tripadvisor bookmarked anymore, it's too conflicted.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2131553]Never forget to drop a couple of thousands bahts in the morning. As she is not a pro.[/QUOTE]Bionicman,

You don't know a girl is not a pro. The minute she is taking money she is a pro. First rule in Thailand is don't believe anything they say. Smartest thing is pay going rate with all girls. But if you like to believe what these women say Ignorance is bliss.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2132094]Hmmm, I'm going to check that out next time I'm in Bangkok. It sounds like an interesting place if you can avoid abuse from the owner and staff, [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g293916-d4340403-Reviews-Wong_s_place-Bangkok.html.[/URL].[/QUOTE]I agree Trip Advisor reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt. But those are the worst reviews of a bar or club I have ever read. None of us have any business going to that place. Glad you haven't had any problems Stykler. But be careful in that crazy place.

I'm on my 3rd visit to Bangkok at the moment and 2nd one in which I'm "indulging. " I prefer black girls (with very dark skin) and big asses, so while I don't mind hanging out at Crazy House for a bit to watch (when there are girls who actually do more than stand there), I mostly prefer hunting elsewhere.

I should contribute a short report before I get to my question. I did have a body-to-body massage with Linda at Honey Bee last week, which was excellent. Pear-shaped body type, big boobs and amazing ass to squeeze. Pretty rare for an Asian girl of any ethnicity, apart from the freakishly-proportioned ones you sometimes see in Japanese pornos! She was quite funny (called me a "ladyboy" for being "so beautiful" did DFK, and "liked" me enough to "forget" that I had ordered a BJ and not FS. She let me pleasure her, and in the end wanted more than I could deliver. WIR? Absolutely!

Anyway, what is the going rate for the African FLs? I didn't approach any on my previous trip because I came down with a bad cold and it put a damper on my mongering plans. I have spent a few evenings strolling along Soi 4 and along the odd-numbered side of Sukhumvit, so I've seen who's around lately. Last night, I was a little late getting out (around 10 PM) and, unusually, it took me a while to come across any of the lookers on Soi 4. Finally, I found a few who were sitting outside one of the convenience stores for a phone break. I approached them, but they seemed to be more into their phones and not really very friendly. One named Joanne quoted 2000 for 1 hour and 7000 for long time. I thought I had read somewhere that they would throw out ridiculous numbers just to bait you, but in reality you could go long time for 1500. So I tried 1500, after which she completely ignored me and went back to her phone. Maybe it was a lowball offer, but you could at least play the game of haggling, right? I have heard mixed things about their attitudes / personalities, but they can't all be so surly. Right?

Also, I see a couple people mentioned the cart bar (s) on Soi 23. Does that refer to the one at the end of the soi? I'm staying close by and I often see the same two black girls hanging out there. One is thick, the other is not really my type. Any experiences?

[QUOTE=Stykler;2132117]

By the way, Tripadvisor long ago ceased to be a reliable source of information. It is riddled with self promotion reviews and toxic reviews for commercial reasons. I am a big traveller and I don't even have Tripadvisor bookmarked anymore, it's too conflicted.[/QUOTE]I think that's a bit too sweeping in generalizations Styk to disregard Trip Advisor altogether although I know what you are saying.

I am also a "big traveller" (for mostly work), and I always check out a range of reviews in TA on any one place I intend to visit and I can usually sort out the genuine reviews from the toxic or self-promoting ones.

IMHO, if there are a preponderance of negative reviews then that is a red flag, but a good mix of positive and some negative is also a good guide. I have a group of friends and we regularly post bonafide reviews of all places that we visit.

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2127240]I found a nice girl on wechat, hairdresser by day, more than adequate English, and GFE. Much cheaper than my smoochie date for 2 hrs
the following day. If you want wechat ID, PM me.[/QUOTE]Hi bro,

Can you please share the wechat ID.

Visiting next month.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=VeryScary;2131675]Will be in Bangkok for the first time in a few weeks. I've watched many videos and hidden camera videos online and I'm interested in checking out thermae. I know they're really into Asian guys at that place but westerners are welcome too. Do any of you guys know if black American men are received well at thermae or should I just scratch that place off the list?[/QUOTE]I have strolled through Thermae with an African American friend a couple of times in the past year and many, many of the attractive ladies meet his gaze with inviting smiles. He even got several audible "ohh"s of approval from several girls as we passed by. In neither case did either of us stay long enough to focus on specific girls to choose because those particular times we just passed through around 9:30 pm out of curiosity on our way to somewhere else. But I feel confident that he could have chosen any one of 2-3 dozen girls to walk out with him those nights.

He is clean cut, ex-military, was dressed neat and dapper in casual slacks, hard soled shoes, tucked in Polo type shirt. Mid-60's and looks it. Still, proportionate weight to his height. He smiled sincerely as we strolled through. We both did.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2132094]Hmmm, I'm going to check that out next time I'm in Bangkok. It sounds like an interesting place if you can avoid abuse from the owner and staff, [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g293916-d4340403-Reviews-Wong_s_place-Bangkok.html.[/URL].[/QUOTE]There is actually a bit of truth to the ornery disposition of the owner. Its part of the charm of the place and you can easily get kicked out of there for what can seemingly be nothing at all. The place most commonly attracts some rough people. It is, after all, a late, late night establishment and its common to witness some belligerent a-holes doing something disrespectful to a patron or a bar hand. I think years and years of dealing with this has made the owner a bit testy.

[QUOTE=TomSf;2132122]Bionicman,

You don't know a girl is not a pro. The minute she is taking money she is a pro. First rule in Thailand is don't believe anything they say. Smartest thing is pay going rate with all girls. But if you like to believe what these women say Ignorance is bliss.[/QUOTE]Bionicman was being ironic. He knows they are pros, which is why he said "Never forget to drop a couple of thousands bahts in the morning. ".

[QUOTE=VeloDots;2132207]Anyway, what is the going rate for the African FLs? One named Joanne quoted 2000 for 1 hour and 7000 for long time. I thought I had read somewhere that they would throw out ridiculous numbers just to bait you, but in reality you could go long time for 1500.[/QUOTE]

They'll quote you 2000, but usually come down to 1000 for ST, or maybe 1500 if you're unlucky. Lower Suk streetwalkers are not exactly upmarket, and Africans there are neither especially exotic (there are dozens of them), nor good looking. Africans seem hardcore, out to maximize earnings by turning as many tricks as possible, rather than just to earn enough for the night and go home as [I]some[/I] Thai freelancers do. I doubt LT is what many Africans are after. Maybe if it's getting late, but even then, it won't be cheap.

In recent years, I've been reluctant to do LT in Thailand. Service is too much of a hit-and-miss these days, and I'd hate to either pay the LT price for ST or worse, sleep next to someone who'd rather not be there. Maybe negotiate both an ST and LT rate, and extend the ST if it goes well.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2132726]They'll quote you 2000, but usually come down to 1000 for ST, or maybe 1500 if you're unlucky. Lower Suk streetwalkers are not exactly upmarket, and Africans there are neither especially exotic (there are dozens of them), nor good looking. Africans seem hardcore, out to maximize earnings by turning as many tricks as possible, rather than just to earn enough for the night and go home as [I]some[/I] Thai freelancers do. I doubt LT is what many Africans are after. Maybe if it's getting late, but even then, it won't be cheap.

In recent years, I've been reluctant to do LT in Thailand. Service is too much of a hit-and-miss these days, and I'd hate to either pay the LT price for ST or worse, sleep next to someone who'd rather not be there. Maybe negotiate both an ST and LT rate, and extend the ST if it goes well.[/QUOTE]Cool, thanks. True, that encounter did get me thinking about how unpleasant it would be to sleep next to someone who'd feel trapped in my hotel room for the night. I disagree that the African FLs aren't good-looking though—obviously some are hotter than others, but I wouldn't paint them with so broad a brush. What did kill the buzz a bit, though, besides the surly attitude of the one I approached, was that her English wasn't as good as I was expecting (or was led to believe by some blog posts floating around). Oh well, the prospect of banging one of those girls was good fantasy fodder for 8 or 9 months, ha.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2132726]They'll quote you 2000, but usually come down to 1000 for ST, or maybe 1500 if you're unlucky. Lower Suk streetwalkers are not exactly upmarket, and Africans there are neither especially exotic (there are dozens of them), nor good looking. Africans seem hardcore, out to maximize earnings by turning as many tricks as possible, rather than just to earn enough for the night and go home as [I]some[/I] Thai freelancers do. I doubt LT is what many Africans are after. Maybe if it's getting late, but even then, it won't be cheap.

In recent years, I've been reluctant to do LT in Thailand. Service is too much of a hit-and-miss these days, and I'd hate to either pay the LT price for ST or worse, sleep next to someone who'd rather not be there. Maybe negotiate both an ST and LT rate, and extend the ST if it goes well.[/QUOTE]Now its up to each individual to decide but. I would recommend. Always go ST unless repeating (and no guarantees here either) I always demand min 2 hrs min 2 pops. I always offer base price plus tip if good performance and I do honour my agreed incentives tips. I also offer them to stay if they wish (some do, some don't) but no more money will be exchanged, I make that quite clear. And I say we will be sleeping. My usual is to kick them out. I prefer to sleep alone. This MO allows you to control the situation, as the point was made not overpay for poor performance, gives you the option to extend or pay more if you wish and every so often they stay and you get a pleasant surprise next morning which I may reward but not at "usual" FT rate. This is my MO everywhere I monger. I get very few knock backs. I must say I am eager to go black too but the standard in Thailand is well below what will get me hard.

[QUOTE=VeloDots;2132207]I'm on my 3rd visit to Bangkok at the moment and 2nd one in which I'm "indulging. " I prefer black girls (with very dark skin) and big asses, so while I don't mind hanging out at Crazy House for a bit to watch (when there are girls who actually do more than stand there), I mostly prefer hunting elsewhere.

I should contribute a short report before I get to my question. I did have a body-to-body massage with Linda at Honey Bee last week, which was excellent. Pear-shaped body type, big boobs and amazing ass to squeeze. Pretty rare for an Asian girl of any ethnicity, apart from the freakishly-proportioned ones you sometimes see in Japanese pornos! She was quite funny (called me a "ladyboy" for being "so beautiful" did DFK, and "liked" me enough to "forget" that I had ordered a BJ and not FS. She let me pleasure her, and in the end wanted more than I could deliver. WIR? Absolutely!

Anyway, what is the going rate for the African FLs? I didn't approach any on my previous trip because I came down with a bad cold and it put a damper on my mongering plans. I have spent a few evenings strolling along Soi 4 and along the odd-numbered side of Sukhumvit, so I've seen who's around lately. Last night, I was a little late getting out (around 10 PM) and, unusually, it took me a while to come across any of the lookers on Soi 4. Finally, I found a few who were sitting outside one of the convenience stores for a phone break. I approached them, but they seemed to be more into their phones and not really very friendly. One named Joanne quoted 2000 for 1 hour and 7000 for long time. I thought I had read somewhere that they would throw out ridiculous numbers just to bait you, but in reality you could go long time for 1500. So I tried 1500, after which she completely ignored me and went back to her phone. Maybe it was a lowball offer, but you could at least play the game of haggling, right? I have heard mixed things about their attitudes / personalities, but they can't all be so surly. Right?

Also, I see a couple people mentioned the cart bar (s) on Soi 23. Does that refer to the one at the end of the soi? I'm staying close by and I often see the same two black girls hanging out there. One is thick, the other is not really my type. Any experiences?[/QUOTE]I have not seen any acceptable African WG in Bkk. And where are the reports on secessions with African WG's? I do not remember reading any in this forum. That should tell you something.

The expertise that is shared here by many seniors says a lot to the sport we all share. If any of those have experiences with AWG's please post.

I have heard rumors while in Bkk that the AWG's will rip you off in a New York minute. They are from a very difficult life and are controlled by some group that keep tight lines on each lady and that have demands that the ladies must answer too.

I witnessed 2 AWG's fighting in the morning around Soi7/1 below Nana bts. A Black man was the boss and he let them fight. The Thai police just watched and did nothing.

Good luck in your hunting just be alert.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2132868]I have not seen any acceptable African WG in Bkk. [/QUOTE]I saw one a few years ago. Definite stunner. But that's the only one I ever saw. The selection of African girls in BKK is pathetic. I can hardly believe anyone ever takes them given that there are so many hot Thai girls to choose from.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2132915]I saw one a few years ago. Definite stunner. But that's the only one I ever saw. The selection of African girls in BKK is pathetic. I can hardly believe anyone ever takes them given that there are so many hot Thai girls to choose from.[/QUOTE]Some guys just need to buy that fine bottle of wine at 7-11.

Went back a lot of pages but saw little in rates that punters are paying for free lancers and also bar girls in bar fine and money to the girl.

Understand that it will differ from area to area and bars. Any help and ranges would be appreciated. Will be staying around Nana Plaza and will also visit soi Cowboy. Regards.

Last night, around 10.30 pm, I was passing by Lumpini park on Wireless road. Saw at least 10 to 15 streetwalkers along the park's fence trying to drum up business. They were really nicely dress in tight tops and miniskirts. Would have tried to pick one up for a test run, but it is kind of hard to pick up a short time shag while you are in a road bike, cycling back home after doing a 40 km ride aross the Chao Phraya river.

Anyway, I had read about these working girls years ago in the papers and thought this setup had died out years ago. Apparently I was wrong. Just wondering if any forum member had tried this recently. If so, would it be worth it? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2132917]Some guys just need to buy that fine bottle of wine at 7-11.[/QUOTE]Kind of like, Military Intelligence or Jumbo Shrimp. 555 but oh so true. I have seen European guys with AWG's so I assume that they see thru different eyes. A lady I knew in Bkk just mailed me that she just married a man from Denmark. She is all of 80 lbs wet and he is almost 300 lbs. You got to love these matches.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I'll stick to Thai ladies that are 48 k and 150 cm. Just rambling here.

RL.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;2133163]Went back a lot of pages but saw little in rates that punters are paying for free lancers and also bar girls in bar fine and money to the girl.

Understand that it will differ from area to area and bars. Any help and ranges would be appreciated. Will be staying around Nana Plaza and will also visit soi Cowboy. Regards.[/QUOTE]I assume what I experienced tonight was about average for a go-go bargirl in Nana Plaza.

I just had a ST with a go-go dancer from Bangkok Bunnies in Nana Plaza; 850 baht barfine to the bar (it can be almost double that for certain girls in some Nana Plaza go-go bars) plus 2,500 baht to her. I hadn't asked her about "How much?" for her but there was a clumsy moment when the mamasan came over to tell me the barfine was 850 and asked if I was going to take her for ST or LT. That is when the girl interjected (noisy go-go bar, you know) that it is 3,000 baht to her for ST. Well, my rule is the moment a girl talks money with "How much", I immediately comeback with "For what", meaning I tell her what I would be willing to pay that much for. And I do that no matter what the amount is stated. "How much" goes hand-in-hand with "For what" for me in terms of a couple of details I want to make sure are on the table before I just say "ok" to any baht amount. So I hesitated and somewhat waved off the mamasan waiting for me to give her the barfine money in order to discuss that with the girl. It was during that hesitation that the girl leaned in closer and told me "2,500 ok for ST", coming down 500 baht from what she had just said 10 seconds ago. LOL. Some great negotiation skills from me, right?

Still, I covered what I wanted from her in terms of FS if I paid that amount, if you forgive the pun, she agreed and off we went to my nearby apartment. There were no unpleasant surprises in the room, all was well and worth it to me. I would say this particular girl, mid-20's, kids but no apparent baby damage, not a tight little spinner but a nicely proportioned full grown woman neither fat nor chubby, has one of the better bodies in the place.

My only recent experience with freelancers has been with a couple of better looking girls around the Sukhumvit/Soi 4 area and that has been 1,000-1,500 for ST and FS my way.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;2133163]Went back a lot of pages but saw little in rates that punters are paying for free lancers and also bar girls in bar fine and money to the girl.

Understand that it will differ from area to area and bars. Any help and ranges would be appreciated. Will be staying around Nana Plaza and will also visit soi Cowboy. Regards.[/QUOTE]My experience in prices is similar to what Eih Tooms wrote. Of course, prices are highly variable. Of about 25 sessions in Bangkok in 2017, my very best experience was with a girl from Butterflys (3rd floor Nana Plaza), and she only asked for 2000 baht; the first session was about 3 hours and the 2nd session was about 10 hours.

In my experience, short time from a free lancer is much shorter than short time from a go-go girl. Go-go girls might average about 2 hours with me. Free lancers might average 1 hour.

I only have a couple of sessions with the variety of bar girls you find at places such as Stumble Inn and many others. Those sessions were a bit less than 2,000 baht and lasted about 2 hours. These girls were not as attractive as the go-go girls that I picked for ST.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2133421]In my experience, short time from a free lancer is much shorter than short time from a go-go girl. Go-go girls might average about 2 hours with me. Free lancers might average 1 hour.[/QUOTE]Same for me in my experience. I posted something about this in the Pattaya Reports thread a few days ago. Many go-go girls manage their time spent away from the bar with a customer mindful of whether or not they can get done with you and back to the bar in time to perhaps meet, charm and maneuver a second barfine for the night with a second customer. I believe most go-go girls aren't trying to get nor want to work more than 2 barfines per night, night after night, anyway, so it is generally based on possibly getting 2 per evening if they can swing it. Time it right based on what time the bar closes and she might calculate that she doesn't really have enough time to return to the bar and bank another barfine for the night even if she rushes you through it anyway, so no hurry, might as well relax and go with the flow.

However, a freelancer's number of sessions in an evening isn't connected to a barfine system or the time a bar closes. The sooner she gets done with you, the faster she gets back out on the street to meet another customer, no changing of clothes, shuffling on stage and so on required. And if she burns through 5 STs in a single night, she can just skip tomorrow, stay home and rest up the next night or two or three without penalty.

[QUOTE=PrinceMV2;2123868]I sat for almost an hour last evening. Had a sandwich and a beer. Could find only aged ugly ladies.[/QUOTE]PrinceMV2 - thanks, you answered a major question I've had prior to my BKK return visit. And I think age is relative. Old to you might be young to me, and probably is. Myself, I prefer experience, eagerness for business, and someone who is not mesmerized by their mobile.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2080582]Thanks really for this contribution. Like you, adn even if many laugh about that on this forum, I like soi7 beergarden. ...And this is, to me, the unique advantage of beergarden: you can discuss with any of these MILFs for long time, they will not be angry if finanly you say non and go to another one, etc. [/QUOTE]You're not alone Gannaton48, I too enjoy the Bier Garten. So glad to hear it's not closed, though each year it seems the developers get closer and closer. Usually spend an hour or two there most afternoons. Grab a drink, take a look at the Bangkok Post from Foodland. If someone's around, fine. If not, off to a 24/1 MP, or 1 of the BJ bars. Have to admit, last year, over a month, only found 1, and she always seemed to be "engaged", so no success. Others mildly interesting, but nothing to overcome the gravitational pull of 24/1. But that's what I like about the BG: it's Forest Gump's box of chocolate. You never know what you're going to pull.

[QUOTE=PrinceMV2;2123868]I sat for almost an hour last evening... Could find only aged ugly ladies... Lastly am too surprised to see many very good looking western guys romancing the ugliest, out of shape, ladies who can easily find roles in horror movies. I wished I could tell those guys common buddy see your personality and see the lady you are lip kissing with.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]This might rank as the best post of the year! Don't ever believe that beauty is in the eye of the beholder crap. Beauty is always the majority opinion rules. Glad we got to hang out in Pattaya for a bit.

VeloDots, I tend to agree with Robert Long. They have a bad reputation, most likely well earned. You can't always see the pimp but they tend to be within eye sight. There are also reports of them rolling punters. Because of that and other problems, they are often not allowed into some of the regular FL bars. The other problem is the high HIV rates in the nations from whence they come, like Kenya.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2132868]I have not seen any acceptable African WG in Bkk. And where are the reports on secessions with African WG's? I do not remember reading any in this forum. That should tell you something.

The expertise that is shared here by many seniors says a lot to the sport we all share. If any of those have experiences with AWG's please post.

I have heard rumors while in Bkk that the AWG's will rip you off in a New York minute. They are from a very difficult life and are controlled by some group that keep tight lines on each lady and that have demands that the ladies must answer too.

I witnessed 2 AWG's fighting in the morning around Soi7/1 below Nana bts. A Black man was the boss and he let them fight. The Thai police just watched and did nothing.

Good luck in your hunting just be alert.

RL.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=VeloDots;2132763]Cool, thanks. True, that encounter did get me thinking about how unpleasant it would be to sleep next to someone who'd feel trapped in my hotel room for the night. I disagree that the African FLs aren't good-looking thoughobviously some are hotter than others, but I wouldn't paint them with so broad a brush. What did kill the buzz a bit, though, besides the surly attitude of the one I approached, was that her English wasn't as good as I was expecting (or was led to believe by some blog posts floating around). Oh well, the prospect of banging one of those girls was good fantasy fodder for 8 or 9 months, ha.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=VeloDots;2132207]I'm on my 3rd visit to Bangkok at the moment and 2nd one in which I'm "indulging. " I prefer black girls (with very dark skin) and big asses, so while I don't mind hanging out at Crazy House for a bit to watch (when there are girls who actually do more than stand there), I mostly prefer hunting elsewhere.

Anyway, what is the going rate for the African FLs? I didn't approach any on my previous trip because I came down with a bad cold and it put a damper on my mongering plans. I have spent a few evenings strolling along Soi 4 and along the odd-numbered side of Sukhumvit, so I've seen who's around lately. Last night, I was a little late getting out (around 10 PM) and, unusually, it took me a while to come across any of the lookers on Soi 4.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2133554]PrinceMV2 - thanks, you answered a major question I've had prior to my BKK return visit. And I think age is relative. Old to you might be young to me, and probably is. Myself, I prefer experience, eagerness for business, and someone who is not mesmerized by their mobile.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]You're not alone Gannaton48, I too enjoy the Bier Garten. So glad to hear it's not closed, though each year it seems the developers get closer and closer. Usually spend an hour or two there most afternoons. Grab a drink, take a look at the Bangkok Post from Foodland. If someone's around, fine. If not, off to a 24/1 MP, or 1 of the BJ bars. Have to admit, last year, over a month, only found 1, and she always seemed to be "engaged", so no success. Others mildly interesting, but nothing to overcome the gravitational pull of 24/1. But that's what I like about the BG: it's Forest Gump's box of chocolate. You never know what you're going to pull.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree with you on the strange and occasional appeal of Beer Garden Soi 7 (Yeah, I realize that is not the German spelling, but I'm going with the way the name of it appears on virtually every large sign outside and inside the restaurant. hehe). I go there to eat sometimes or go with a friend who is into it, am fine to see who's there and do see ladies who are generally older but some are not the least bit objectionably so or ugly.

But is anyone really finding ladies there lately who, in exchange for their older age / lower level of attractiveness, try harder, work harder, are more agreeable, more accommodating, more skilled and willing to please than what one can find in most other venue options? I don't mean some handful of very long time regular ladies one has known for years and can always rely upon to deliver the goods as desired. I mean a take out of a lady someone has met recently for the first time in Beer Garden Soi 7.

I ask you guys this question because I most definitely have not found ladies in Beer Garden Soi 7 who are up for sexual favors with me that I would consider something worth my time, money and ejaculate. Full disclosure and down to the nitty gritty of it, I have little to no use for a P4 P experience that does not include at least a closely trimmed, preferably shaved pussy for pleasant DATY and the lady being willing and able to finish a blowjob like a blowjob (CIM) instead of like a handjob and / or provide BBFS. Maybe those three personal requirements (well, actually only two since the last ones are "and / or" options I am usually fine with leaving up to the lady) are standards way, way too high for most ladies who find themselves sitting on a bar stool looking for customers in Beer Garden. Or maybe there is something particularly repugnant about me that Beer Garden ladies like to look at, apparently are attracted to visually and physically enough to come around when I am in there and drape themselves all over me, try to kiss me over and over, profess profound undying "love" and "lust" for (LOL) but who just cannot imagine ever engaging in either one of those latter requirements for any sum of money in the 1,000-2,000+ baht range.

I am sometimes ok with taking an older lady, let's say well in her 30's or very early 40's, as long as she is relatively fit and not fat, in shape, and has an attractive face and demeanor. And I have seen and met many ladies who meet that standard of attractiveness in the place. But after living here for more than 5 years, visiting Beer Garden possibly 100 times over those years, meeting and chatting up what must now be around 20-25 ladies there leading to some form of take out request (from the lady) and negotiation on terms, I can count on exactly three fingers the number of ladies who actually agreed to EITHER of those "and / or" terms above. And two of those three ladies lied, in fact they did NOT finish a blowjob like a blowjob (CIM) instead of a handjob once we were back in my room. LOL. I'm going to call that an abysmal record of success in getting what I want sexually from the P4 P ladies of Beer Garden.

On that factor, I definitely have MUCH better success with young, hot go-go bar girls than older, once hot but now only passably acceptable Beer Garden ladies. Case in point: About 2 weeks ago I stopped in Beer Garden around 11 PM for a drink and saw an uncharacteristically lovely (for Beer Garden) lady of about 30 with a great shape and sweet face. She could not stop smiling across the bar at me so I stopped by to introduce myself on the way out. She seemed delighted by the move. Deciding that this time I won't "negotiate" or mention anything about what I need and want sexually, a method I try every now and then in these situations just to mix it up and see if the results improve, I asked if she would like to go with me tonight and she eagerly agreed. But, as is as predictable from my experience with Beer Garden ladies as night following day, in the room her position was NO blowjob of any kind, most definitely not to a CIM completion and NO BBFS. Fine, that is the ladies choice, I didn't screen beforehand, I still pay up something reasonable and, in fact, even leave it up to her if she wants to make this a ST or a LT. She chose to make it a LT and we cuddled until we fell asleep and I gave her 2,000 the next morning. For nothing, I know. Nothing sexually for me, I mean, except for her company all night. But, again, the no condom thing is my problem, not hers and I had not screened for any particular act before we left the bar so it is on me to make good on the very long time all night and into mid-morning she spent with me. And I liked her.

I happened to go back to Beer Garden again just a few nights ago because a friend wanted to eat there and a fairly attractive 40-ish year old lady, actually looking pretty good for her age in a cleavage-revealing tight-fitting outfit, is all over me. She can't take her hands and lips off me while I sit as non-committal as I can on a bar stool and wait for my friend to finish his meal. This was around 11 PM and there were hardly any other customers in there but plenty of ladies. After her umpteenth promise to "love" me forever since she had never met anyone so sexy and good-looking as me (LOL) along with an assurance that if I took her tonight she would do "Everything. Up to you", I decided to put that classic pitch to a test, this time discretely between her and I at the bar and no waiting to find out what happens back in the room. Trimmed or shaved for pleasant DATY? Yep, no problem there. Will she finish a blowjob for me like a blowjob (CIM) or will she turn it into a handjob before the finish? Nope, cannot do. Ok with BBFS? Nope, cannot do. So much for "Everything. Up to you". My friend and I left soon after. I paid for my drink and the pineapple juice she ordered.

The very next night I go into Bangkok Bunnies go-go bar in Nana Plaza, call over a slender, sexy, mid-20's island girl type with an ass as sweet as a peach, flat stomach, and perky firm natural tits I had seen in there a couple of weeks ago but this was our first meeting. Within 15 minutes and during the first and only Lady Drink I bought her, she has happily agreed to my requirements in exchange for me paying the 850 baht barfine and agreeing to pay her 2,500 baht after. We wound up with BBFS after lovely, extended preliminary BBBJ oral foreplay. The difference in what I paid her and what I paid the first Beer Garden lady I mentioned above was WELL worth it to me considering the massive difference in sexual results and rewards. And that is the typical difference between my experience with Beer Garden ladies and girls in almost any go-go bar in the city. But I would also like to try and solve this great Beer Garden mystery for me and might enjoy a rewarding romp with an older but still attractive lady for less money than a go-go dancer usually requires every now and then. Why not.

So, what's the deal? Are any of you guys getting really memorable or at least somewhat worthwhile sexual activities from Beer Garden ladies in exchange for them being older and, usually, less attractive than most go-go dancers? Because I can't say I have. And I have given it plenty of time and effort, imo.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2133751]So, what's the deal? Are any of you guys getting really memorable or at least somewhat worthwhile sexual activities from Beer Garden ladies in exchange for them being older and, usually, less attractive than most go-go dancers? Because I can't say I have. And I have given it plenty of time and effort, imo.[/QUOTE]I've found the BG to be complete crap since the flood of '11. Before the flood it was quite a fun place, and many gals on their way to the discos would stop in at 9 or 10 pm to make a quick 1 k before heading out to dance and party. During the flood many gals could not make it in from the 'burbs to work. Most never returned. It's been dismal ever since and gets worse by the year. I don't even bother.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2133421]I only have a couple of sessions with the variety of bar girls you find at places such as Stumble Inn and many others. Those sessions were a bit less than 2,000 baht and lasted about 2 hours. These girls were not as attractive as the go-go girls that I picked for ST.[/QUOTE]That's interesting, I've been quoted 3,000 for ST by one of the girls in Stumble Inn. She's a nice girl but mnot 3,000 nice. I like one of the other giorls there but she doesn't do bar fines.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2130298]I assume that Mr. Muttley's reference to "Nana" means the Nana BTS station. Because, of course, the Nana Plaza is actually on Soi 4.

There isn't much in the way of late night food or drink on the south side of Sukhumvit between the Nana BTS station and Soi 4. There are some street vendors on the sidewalk, but they are selling clothing mainly.
Bunky.[/QUOTE]You could try the Huntsman Pub, open to 2. 00 AM, or the Greenhouse Coffe Shop, open 24 hour, at the Landmark Hotel. Just around the corner from Nana Plaza.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2133751]I tend to agree with you on the strange and occasional appeal of Beer Garden Soi 7 (Yeah, I realize that is not the German spelling, but I'm going with the way the name of it appears on virtually every large sign outside and inside the restaurant. hehe). [/QUOTE]I could be wrong but as far as I know the name of the place has always been Beer Garden and not Biergarten. Obviously it's most likely a reference to the German phenomenon so maybe the (first) owner was German (can't find any info on the net), but the name is Beer Garden.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2133751]So, what's the deal? Are any of you guys getting really memorable or at least somewhat worthwhile sexual activities from Beer Garden ladies in exchange for them being older and, usually, less attractive than most go-go dancers? Because I can't say I have. And I have given it plenty of time and effort, imo.[/QUOTE]I can't remember I have ever pulled a memorable lady from the Beer Garden, not even in the days when it was still loaded with SYTs. But to be honest I haven't done as many efforts as you did, simply because I never really liked the place.

I've had much more success in the Thermae, back in its heydays.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2130298]I assume that Mr. Muttley's reference to "Nana" means the Nana BTS station. Because, of course, the Nana Plaza is actually on Soi 4.[/QUOTE]Apologies, there is a fairly simple explanation, I'm a simpleton sometimes, haha. I am staying on Soi 15, I couldn't remember this when doing the post, I knew a Hooters had opened near hotel and searched for that to locate the Soi instead of actual hotel, turns out there are two Hooters and I used wrong one. By the time I realised it was too late to edit my post.

Nevertheless thanks to all for tips, will be sure to check them out on nights I don't fancy a takeout.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2134195]I can't remember I have ever pulled a memorable lady from the Beer Garden, not even in the days when it was still loaded with SYTs. But to be honest I haven't done as many efforts as you did, simply because I never really liked the place.

I've had much more success in the Thermae, back in its heydays.[/QUOTE]I've great memories of cool chicks over the years.

[QUOTE=MarkGarden;2131466]Haven't been here for about ten years so I did my research. (I've got two more nights than I'm heading to the US).

Arrived 9 PM on Thursday night. Cleaned up and went to Wood Bar near Nana. Picked a cute young girl. She wore black and was $1000 baht. Others wore white- $800.00 I wasn't sure the difference but apparently is means BBBJ and CIM. She took me upstairs into a smallish cubicle (3rd floor.) A sort of Easy chair. She left, came back and had me take my pants / shoes underwear off. Left my shirt on funny enough. Behind the chair is a sink with a small extension for your Johnson. I walked up to the sink and she cleaned and washed Mr Johnson. Then back to the chair, where she started on my balls a bit. Up the shaft and then the full monty. Didn't take very long and I CIM. After cleanup and a tip I left.

Interesting place. I don't think I'd go again unless I was pressed for time and wanted the drive through experience. I was in Vienna a few months ago that had a glory hole cabinet that was also pretty intense.

2nd. Went to Analise massage near Nana plaza (about a block away.) Read about the glory hole table. Took two girls for 90 minutes. $2500.27-ish and 22 ish girl. Both with big breasts (natural) the one told me the other had just started 4 days before. Nice big boobs. Quick shower alone..[/QUOTE]Nice report, I got 3 nights in BKK this week, considering following your steps.

The Beer Garden. I've pulled from there in the past for a decent looking pliable MILF with a few great times, a few average times. I have been in BKK off and on for a month and have visited BG twice w / no real intent except to have a cold one and hear some decent music. Last visit I saw 2 blast from the past 10 pounds heavier then when we had our fun a few years ago. Put some nails in the BGs coffin, it's dead.

Soi Cowboy and Nana. For me the best lookers were in Sharks (pulled 2 from there) and last night in Nana Lolipops had some stunners as well. Those are the best to my eye and have a high percentage of lookers. The quality of the Go Go dancers is off the charts in BKK. After spending 10 days in AC and then coming here it was a huge difference in visual quality. The downside is their service is very bad, they're shitty in the sack and just full of themselves (maybe rightfully so?) Another fun part about being a tourist monger here is all the bars have a 2 hour ST time clock and I think it's half bullshit but the girls use it to shorten their time w / you.

I've been very low profile just taking it easy because I have so much time here. I've BFed about 5 Go Go dancers here and for the most part they all play the same game. If you want a very pretty little princess that does very little to add to the fun BKK is the place to be. I'll take Burgos St any day of the week where the women are hot on the inside too. Too many tricksters here.

The Thermae, went there twice. Both times were worthless. On one occasion the place was packed, 100 pussies and 100 sausages. I circled the place once and saw many nubile Thai honeys but none interested in whitey. So out of 100 I got interest from the 4 MILFs. I dress nice and look good, in my sixties, look early fifties. Those Thermae women want easy money from (young preferably) smallish Asian mongers.

If I want to get irritated I go there.

So there you have it, my BKK TR. Short, Sweet and Blunt.

These Go Go dancers are robbing you imo. They are intentionally lousy in the room. I've been around long enough to know when someone is doing something intentionally to me. If I take another Go Go beauty and there is some exquisite flesh available now I won't expect much in return. Every lady I BFed needed to be taught how to kiss, that's just not plausible. They're playing me and they're playing most other guys willing to BF them.

Unfortunately it ain't so cheap to be a sucker here. I'm done thinking this is a fair market place for my sausage.

[QUOTE=Socker;2134654]The Thermae, went there twice. Both times were worthless. On one occasion the place was packed, 100 pussies and 100 sausages. I circled the place once and saw many nubile Thai honeys but none interested in whitey. So out of 100 I got interest from the 4 MILFs. I dress nice and look good, in my sixties, look early fifties. Those Thermae women want easy money from (young preferably) smallish Asian mongers.
[/QUOTE]I'm staying above that place. Only there once so far. I'm white and late 50's. I wasn't looking to take anyone but I did get some trying to get my attention. I'll try again, maybe tonight. Just chilling here for now.

I should add and elaborate (a little) on my BKK TR.

The Beer Garden's best the day I was there were the 2 I did a few years ago, both delivered big time back then. So apparently there is blockage in the BG pussy pipeline. Not many new items, only the old options that are well past their prime. I like the BG's DJ but not their light beer prices.

The Go Gos are not the only option (I know) but that's the route I took this time around. I should have tried the late night FLs but I was too lazy. In the past I've had some really great times w / FLs at those portable sidewalk bars. That might be the best option nowadays but it's also the most hazardous. I'll give that option more time on my next visit.

The phony GFE that the Go Go girls provide is also a problem. I'll still pull one from time to time because they're as close to perfection as I can get but the service is just lousy. I do let them know what I want during the LD and they all say yes yes yes but their playing games and now I know it.

A beauty from Sharks was lousy in bed and w / in 5 minutes I told her I had enough. So we're both clothed again and at the door. I tell her here's a couple of hundred baht, see ya later. She's defiant and I toss the money out the door. She gets quiet (still inside the doorway) and I told her it didn't have to be this way (I was a bit unhappy) and she asked, what do you want? I told her as I told her during our 5 minute wrestling match; don't pull away as I'm kissing you, I'm tired of trying to kiss you. It didn't take her long to change her mind. Had I paid her in advance I would have gotten screwed the bad way.

(she and most other Go Go girls asked me for money upfront. Every time I reply w /, I never pay until the sessions over).

Back to my story, she returns to bed and becomes the best kisser on the planet. Her kisses meet mine w / plenty of tongue. I no longer have to constantly move towards her to keep the kiss alive.

So what does that tell me? They're playing me and on this occasion I won. Do I want to go through this bullshit every time I pull a Go Go girl? They all do it in some form. Some like the teeth clenching ploy, the one above used "the pull-back ploy" w no tongue.

Overall I've never seen so many 8's and 9's in a single P4P scene like BKKs. That's the good news. The bad news is they are in control and they know it. They also know many games most guys never know they are a victim of. It is a seller's market in BKK and will probably only get worse until something happens to the supply of sausage. Is what it is and it ain't 100% good.

I was also in Udon Thani and Chang Mai so I'll do a mini I guess on those forums. My best session was in UT a couple of weeks ago. A fresh farm girl new to the UT bars. It was just stellar.

I'm having a hair transplant surgery so I don't know what I'll be able to do after tomorrow. Maybe put on a big hat and tease the Go Go girls that want to repeat w / me. They need to be played too. I know it's wishful thinking that I can get under their skin. I just wish these women were a little warmer like they were when I first visited BKK in 2010.

For me BKK is a perfect place to set up a "home away from home" during these cooler months. The weather has been pretty livable for a guy from a cool climate. I am pretty confident I could find my way around the cold hearted Go Go scene. I could also do w / out most of the middle eastern scene of lower Suk. I want to be in Thailand, not Pakistan. The BTS will show me where that is. My Dr is over by the Victory Statue and I like that area, more Thais there.

Hi guys!

Has anyone experienced any favorable 'outcomes' from airport transit area massage parlors?

Thanks.

Had a great experience at a BJ Bar on Soi8. The usual drill entered and got a beer for myself and then selected a hostess who had amazing lips for a blow job. Was taken to the first floor and cleaned up on a red sofa, off came the top and she got on the job and took the complete load without any issues. Totally satisfied, the price being 800 for service and 125 for the beer.

[QUOTE=Socker;2135126]I should add and elaborate (a little) on my BKK TR

The phony GFE that the Go Go girls provide is also a problem. I'll still pull one from time to time because they're as close to perfection as I can get but the service is just lousy. I do let them know what I want during the LD and they all say yes yes yes but their playing games and now I know it.

A beauty from Sharks was lousy in bed and w / in 5 minutes I told her I had enough. So we're both clothed again and at the door. I tell her here's a couple of hundred baht, see ya later. She's defiant and I toss the money out the door. She gets quiet (still inside the doorway) and I told her it didn't have to be this way (I was a bit unhappy) and she asked, what do you want? I told her as I told her during our 5 minute wrestling match; don't pull away as I'm kissing you, I'm tired of trying to kiss you. It didn't take her long to change her mind. Had I paid her in advance I would have gotten screwed the bad way.
My Dr is over by the Victory Statue and I like that area, more Thais there.[/QUOTE]From my experience (and I am not a 24/7 monger all over the world) this is becoming a problem throughout the places I visited recently. My solution: fight fire with fire.

Its sad but I suggest we make it very clear that if they agree to say DFK and do not deliver than no or little payment. I am (as I believe many should be) very specific about what I want. A matter of fact I make it a point to reinforce just before I leave a venue what the deal is. I say so you are agreeing to " xyz" and I will give you" - I also always put an incentive for good performance and if given keep my promise.

I am fortunate that I am fairly big (body size) and confident so I have no problem doing as you did after 5 minutes going get out this is garbage you said xyz and you are not delivering. GFE is paramount for me, if not, wasting my time, and like you don't have time to play stupid games.

I treat the girls with respect but WILL NOT be a sucker.

[QUOTE=Socker;2134654]I'll take Burgos St any day of the week where the women are hot on the inside too. [/QUOTE]I am not as down on BKK as you are. I still like the LOS girls here and my apparent good luck or skill at picking the right girls 555 is still holding out, but I agree with you 1000% about Burgos. I love Burgos St. Girls and EDSA too. Whenever I decide to see a Manila girl a 2nd time, she treats me like I'm her American forever man that 2nd time, that 3rd time, that 4th time or nth time. LOL. And Manila girls love to party and drink Tequila which makes for some great times. So I am leaving Manila for the last stop on my next trip and plan to go out with a bang.

It needs to be said, however, before everyone jumps on a jet bound for Ninoy Aquino; MNL is not cheap. Roughly it's on par with Sukhumvit BKK, maybe even a little more expensive, although that depends on how much you party, from where you get your girls and how many girls you do at one time. The farewell party that I threw in Bottoms Bar on my last night in MNL 2015 was my all time most expensive night mongering ever! My two favorite Bottoms girls warned me beforehand it was gonna be rico, but I didn't care. Hell, it's only money! But what I did with those 2 girls plus one of their girlfriends we added onto the team last minute, in the bar and then back in my hotel room was Roman!

I arrived in Bangkok on January 13 and going back home today, very pleased with this trip. I spent 4 days in Bangkok, 1 week in Pattaya, 3 nights each in AC and Manila, then last night back to Bangkok.

I brought a newbie wingman with me. This fellow is new to Thailand and new to mongering as well. It was funny, and at times hilarious, watching his reactions and his interactions with the girls. He has also been an inconvenience, love to do sightseeing during the day and mongering at night. But, I don't have the energy anymore to do all that, hence I have been running on empty.

On my first stop in Bangkok, I visited Addict, on Soi 24, twice. My first session, with Eve, was great. She was my type, friendly and customer oriented. Had a good time. The cost was around 2 K bahts. But the second session, with thong(?), was meh. She was way too clinical, going by the book, and she was not receptive to kissing. I could not wait to get out of there. She realized what was happening and she became concerned that I would report her to management, but I assured that I would not do that. I also picked up FLs on 2 occasions and I was pleased, a nice punt for 1 k baht each. I had met one of them on my previous trip and it was sort of a reunion. I ended up repeating with her.

One night, I decided to visit [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] after striking out at Bangkok Bunnies. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is a BJ bar close to Dynasty Grande, where I was staying. However, I am an FS person. So, I got a BBBJ followed by FS. The whole thing cost me 1,200 bahts, 800 for the BJ and 400 for FS. I was pleased with the service. The chicks tend to sit outside, easy to chat with them and pick one. I ended up revisiting this joint last night and had another good time with Jaan. I was overall disappointed with the trend I see in gogo bars. I checked a couple of them in Nana plaza. They are so focused on cleaning their customers pocket, that one needs to be on guard the whole time. One night, I was at Bangkok Bunnies, and I liked this girl but she was adamant at making me buy as many drinks as she could, for her sister, her friends, etc. After running a bill close to 1200 bahts, I decided to bail. She wanted 3 k for ST, in addition to the barfine. That's when I decided to go to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] to get my pipe cleaned for less money. Yet, I have been coming to Bangkok for a fairly long time. I used to like gogo bars a lot because they usually have better eye candy. But I got tired of being milked dry. Now, I just like to have a few drinks there, maybe buy one or two LDs, then move on. I lost interest in barfining these sharks.

I visited Thermae one night. The place was packed full with working girls, far outweighing customers. The girls were aggressively seeking customers, and it looked like a feast for mongers. Unfortunately I was done for the day, so I passed. My wingman was wide eyed and he could not fathom what he was seeing, priceless!

I had an overall bad memory of Thermae, since the young eye candy had no problem shooting me down with no mercy, as they preferred a certain ethnicity. Hence, I had pretty much crossed it out from my list of mongering venues. However, last night I was staying fairly close to it and got the urge to visit this place one more time. It was like night and day. There were so many girls seemingly interested, I could not believe my eyes. There was this one girl who was smiling towards me, but I was not sure. She looked decent and after a few minutes I mustered some courage and went to her. I asked her if that smile was for me or some other fellow behind me. She started laughing and stated that it was for me. That pretty much sealed the deal and I took her ST. We had a good time together and I was very pleased.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2135386]
I visited Thermae one night. The place was packed full with working girls, far outweighing customers. The girls were aggressively seeking customers, and it looked like a feast for mongers. Unfortunately I was done for the day, so I passed. My wingman was wide eyed and he could not fathom what he was seeing, priceless!

I had an overall bad memory of Thermae, since the young eye candy had no problem shooting me down with no mercy, as they preferred a certain ethnicity. Hence, I had pretty much crossed it out from my list of mongering venues. However, last night I was staying fairly close to it and got the urge to visit this place one more time. It was like night and day. There were so many girls seemingly interested, I could not believe my eyes. There was this one girl who was smiling towards me, but I was not sure. She looked decent and after a few minutes I mustered some courage and went to her. I asked her if that smile was for me or some other fellow behind me. She started laughing and stated that it was for me. That pretty much sealed the deal and I took her ST. We had a good time together and I was very pleased.[/QUOTE]I concur about Thermae last night. A usa friend and I stopped in about 11:30 pm. As we approached outside, many Asian men were coming up the stairs, filing out of the place, without girls. So many that my friend and I thought the place was closing down and emptying out early for some reason. I asked a girl who was also coming out alone what was up, was Thermae closing now and she said no, she was just coming out for a smoke and would I like to take her to my room. LOL.

Inside, the place was packed with girls and of as high a quality of overall looks as I have seen there in a long time. The girls way outnumbered the customers and my friend and I (both Caucasian and both appearing over 50 years old for sure) were being met with big, inviting smiles all around. Standing at the bar in the middle of the room, I could not look in any direction without girls craning their necks to meet my gaze with that, "Please choose me" look.

I did choose one lovely early 20's sweetie, cleared my minimal requirements as best I could before committing and off we went. Very rewarding ST and worth the 2,500 baht for me.

Were the numbers and selection of girls up last night because rent is due tomorrow? Maybe.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2135319]I am not as down on BKK as you are. I still like the LOS girls here and my apparent good luck or skill at picking the right girls 555 is still holding out, but I agree with you 1000% about Burgos. I love Burgos St. Girls and EDSA too. Whenever I decide to see a Manila girl a 2nd time, she treats me like I'm her American forever man that 2nd time, that 3rd time, that 4th time or nth time. LOL. And Manila girls love to party and drink Tequila which makes for some great times. So I am leaving Manila for the last stop on my next trip and plan to go out with a bang.

It needs to be said, however, before everyone jumps on a jet bound for Ninoy Aquino; MNL is not cheap. Roughly it's on par with Sukhumvit BKK, maybe even a little more expensive, although that depends on how much you party, from where you get your girls and how many girls you do at one time. The farewell party that I threw in Bottoms Bar on my last night in MNL 2015 was my all time most expensive night mongering ever! My two favorite Bottoms girls warned me beforehand it was gonna be rico, but I didn't care. Hell, it's only money! But what I did with those 2 girls plus one of their girlfriends we added onto the team last minute, in the bar and then back in my hotel room was Roman![/QUOTE]BKK has been pretty nice actually and I could see myself parking it here for a few months a year. I just don't like my percentages for success in the Go Go bars.

It all has to do w / tourism and tourism here is never slow so why not squeeze the tourist as much as possible. On top of that most tourist don't even know they're being screwed. Ain't that sweet! More tourist tomorrow when the old tourist leave and over and over again while the Go Go bar scams get more and more aggressive.

The BKK bars have restrictive rules such as 2 HR ST. (I know they can't police this but this policy is the leverage dancers use to shorten your time w / her. It wasn't like this before.

She now claims she has to get back to the bar when in reality that's total bullshit. The bars do not get any money from the bargirl tip. If a bar girl goes LT, or changes to LT during a ST barfine she keeps all the money. The bar knows nothing about her business away from the bar. She doesn't share her ST money nor her LT money so where does that put the bar and it's imaginary clock? It's just plain horseshit. (this all means the bargirl can go for 2, 3 or 4 hours ST just like before this pretend clock materialized).

I'm not as experienced as you bro but I'm pretty sure BKK blows all other p4 p scenes out of the water in regards to the numbers of beautiful dancers. Pattaya is probably second.

That's okay because I can only poke so many women in 10 days and Manila can easily cover those 10 days. Manila beauty, BKK beauty, Latin America beauty, it's all relative. It's just BKK has the incredible numbers, the city is just dripping w / killer pussy.

Cost wise Burgos is cheaper than BKK if you bar fine and bar hop a little. In BKK it's about $151 including 1 k on drinks during a short bar hop, Burgos St $143. But remember you're on this pretend clock and later in bed this BKK pussy will most likely hold back on the natural passion that she possesses. The Pinays and Latinas do not know how to how back on the sex. That's the difference.

I'm like NewImage. I let them know what I want and when they agree it's game on. I treat them like angels and when it's time to deliver most pull some uncool sex maneuvers. I know what they're doing and I'm saying it here. I am 100% sure there is no conspiracy against me alone. No, that isn't possible.

What is possible is that most of you mongers do not know what real GFE is and you think you're getting it from these small hearted BKK dancers. LOL! I'm glad you're happy. That's what life is about!

Natty knows what I'm talking about. Haha, all of a sudden this topic got funny! Let them eat cake! Enjoy your GFE! Enjoy.

BBK P4P IN 2018.

I love BKK's BJ bars and have wanted to try this one since bjs are given in the open.

The door is locked but was quickly buzzed in.

Place is quite dmall — two pleather booths facing the room and a few stools. In one booth a guy had a raging hardon just flying around while a cute girl played with it. On the other one a guy was done and leaving.

Beer is 100 thb. Grab a Singha and sit in the now-vacated booth and pick a really cute young girl. This place is so great — guy to my right getting sucked off, my pants around my ankles, beer in and and dick getting locked.

Just sat there like the boss of the place watching other girls and a new customer in the eye like nothing out of the ordinary was going on. Meanwhile I was getting a fantastic BBBJ out in the open by a topless big boobie hottie.

Somewhere in my revelry I came down her throat.

700 for the BJ. Sex is 1000 but only in the back room. I wanted the public experience so stayed with the beej.

CAUTION: the cashier will rip you off. Only gave me 200 change. Had to fight her on it. *****.

Tipped my swallower 200.

I had the pleasure of being sucked in full public view a couple of years back but was told that the girls worked in rotation so I could not decide. Obviously I was taken for a ride (pun intended! But the girl really gave a long slurpy BJ and I enjoyed every minute of it. Will be in BKK in another 2 weeks and intend to pass by again. This time I'll decide the sucker!

What are the other BJ bars? Not the Wood Bar as they have really small cubicles and its not done in public!

Will appreciate if some seniors can guide me to Star of Light competitors!

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2135846]I love BKK's BJ bars and have wanted to try this one since bjs are given in the open.

The door is locked but was quickly buzzed in.

Place is quite dmall two pleather booths facing the room and a few stools. In one booth a guy had a raging hardon just flying around while a cute girl played with it. On the other one a guy was done and leaving.

Beer is 100 thb. Grab a Singha and sit in the now-vacated booth and pick a really cute young girl. This place is so great guy to my right getting sucked off, my pants around my ankles, beer in and and dick getting locked.

Just sat there like the boss of the place watching other girls and a new customer in the eye like nothing out of the ordinary was going on..[/QUOTE]

At the corner of Sukhumvit Soi 7, usually from 8 pm and later, there is this same tuk tuk guy, who is tall, a bit older, wears a satchel, and always has a chain around his neck. For the last 3 years or so, when he sees me, he always yells "Hey! Hey! Massage, boom boom?" when I pass by. But Monkeypaw, being clever, shakes his head no and yells back "fake ass photos!" Awhile back, I went with one driver and the massage place ended up being Cupidy. After he drove me there, I was unimpressed at the bunch of tub thumpers I saw. I rather go back to my room, all dirty and sweaty, rather than bathe with those girls. So I tend to avoid those guys on Sukhumvit.

Last night, however, was different. When I walked by the same guy, now near Soi 5, he yelled "Yakuza. I have new new for you. Now open!" I said, "No more bullshit massages with ugly ladies. " he replied, "this shop no photos but new new. I think you like." he said the place was not a massage shop but more like a smaller version of a "club for man. " And only about 20 girls work there, but they are very beautiful. I was about to tell him to "fuck off" but I wanted to see photos of the so called talent. Within minutes, he received a photo (attached) from the manager on his phone. I was impressed with what I saw and told him if he's bullshitting again, he will have to drive me back having Monkeypaw complain again in his tuk tuk all the way on the ride. He says no problem. I ask him how much? He says "only buy drink 200 baht and then up to lady" with no admission or member fees. And the manager said no more than 3000 for each lady.

I thought what the hell. Let's try something new. He drove me towards Patpong area. From there I cannot remember where I was because I always stay in the Sukhumvit-Asoke area. It was dark as this was about 10 pm. When we arrived, there were a few motorbikes outside and a cool electric blue display at the door with red eyes. We walked in and was greeted by a manager. Kind of like the soapies but there was only 1, maybe 2 managers to explain how things worked. His English was okay. Immediately the place reminded me of a FKK club like in Berlin or Prague. Girls were walking around in nude or lingerie. And there was a bar and a small stage where the girls would put on shows. The manager explained that if you sat on the sofas near the stage, the girls walking around couldn't bother you as your attention belong to girls on stage. Anywhere else is fair game. From a quick look, all the girls (about 12-15?) were very sexy. I sat near the stage and ordered a watermelon shake while watching the show. The manager sat next to me and asked if I liked the girls on stage. I said yes, two of them look like a couple of girls in the photo he sent to the driver. He says confirmed yes they were.

I found the girls very sexy and asked about pricing. He said he didn't know because it's up to the girls and for every customer is different depending on what he likes. He told me that when they finish the show they will change into clothes and sit with me. I say. They can't stay naked? He said no. However if I want to fuck them, they have themed rooms and it's included in the price. When the girls came down, we moved to a more private area to chat. They did not ask for drinks, but the waitress did come and refilled my juice. Monkeypaw tip (watermelon juice makes your cum more abundant). I lose a load or two every day banging girls, so helps me replenish my semen volume. After some small chat, I asked about sex. The girls were friendly and even let me snap a pic, but I had to promise to choose them to fuck.

They told me exactly what they offered here and I was surprised they were so blunt about their sex menu. Exactly like the FKK clubs in Europe. My girls both offered BBBJ with CIM and even suggested a cum swap between the girls by mouth. They also offered lesbian and sex toys with each other. This along with full service of course. Only the longer hair girl did anal, but that would be weird because they eventually will do a mouth to mouth cum swapping, so I decline that. To my surprise, pricing for both was only 3500. They had told me girls charge from around 2000-3000 here for one. But there was a discount if you grabbed two. Because they assume they will have to do less work unless you are a sex maniac. Time was a total of 90 minutes. And after a quick tour, I chose the S&M room with a swing. The rest is what you call a very memorable dream like experience full of kissing, licking, sucking and banging. When I came, it was by a double BBBJ blow job and true to their word, they kissed afterwards and shared my cum. Total damage was 3900 with my drinks. I think same like Devil's Den pricing. When I left I saw a few more customers, mostly Farang sit and enjoy the show. There was only one Asian guy sitting in the private booth with a really hot girl. She's on the Monkeypaw to do next time list.

The next day on my way to dinner, I saw the same tuk tuk driver, that brought me to the place. He was standing on 7/1 this time. I asked him what is the name of that place we went to yesterday? He only said "it's only shop, no massage, no need name. " So I assume it's kind of an underground thing because it's so new. If you are a regular to Bangkok, you will know this is of course to avoid "key money" to the police. Places like this have their commissioned drivers screen the customers before they bring them. So nobody who looks looks Thai, or Asian and can speak Thai. He asked me if I had friends who want to come. I said, now I am in Thailand alone, however I may know of some interested guys. He is wary of new customers with bad intentions. They don't want any guys going there and just sitting and groping on girls without intentions to have sex with them. This is because they don't ask to buy girls' drinks. Imagine some dude goes in there and buy himself a drink and watches naked girls everywhere. Only to call them over to a booth to grope on them and then leaves. Total bill 200 baht. Watching the shows and then fucking the girls is okay.

Anyways. I told him, I'll send some decent punters his way. They will have to show him the "Monkeypaw Special". It's my way of at least screening regular members of ISG. That's sorta a business card (photo attached) I made up really quickly. That means that the guy can be trusted for him or anyone of his tuk tuk buddies to be taken to the secret sex club. He told me just have my friends only show the "Monkeypaw Special" photo card to the ones working from Soi 3 - Soi 7/1 and not all drivers know of the shop. But he and his co-workers will be on the look out for the "Monkeypaw Special" photo and know where to take you. Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Socker;2135503]I'm not as experienced as you bro but I'm pretty sure BKK blows all other p4 p scenes out of the water in regards to the numbers of beautiful dancers. Pattaya is probably second..[/QUOTE]Pattaya's gogo quality is pretty high, I'd rank it a bit above Bangkok's scene myself. I do tend to find brand new girls to the scene more so in Pattaya than in Bangkok.

The other night, I took a shortcut to Nana. I was staying near Sukhumvit Soi 8, so I went the back way pass Loiltas, through Soi 6 alley, in order to reach Soi 4. As I was walking, I noticed a sexy girl sitting outside a small bar on the right side of Soi 4, after a couple of massage joints. She was chatting with a few other ladies in a group. I wasn't sure if they were patrons or working girls. So I kind of stood there for a few minutes trying to scope out the scene. Then some Nigerian hookers started hassling me. Monkeypaw free grabs and touches are not for them, so I quickly crossed the street towards the girl I've been eyeing. The name of the bar is Heidelberg. I think there is also a hotel attached to it. Anyways, I approached the small group and pretended I was lost. I said, "Hi, you know where I can find Nana Plaza, so I can go looking ladies?" The girl that I was interested in spoke out, "Why you want to go Nana, many lady agogo no good for boom boom. Lady here good!

Man. Just like that I was straight in. I pretended to be a newbie to get best experience and told them it was my first time in Bangkok. Naivety usually gets you more because sometimes they think if they give you an all out experience, they may have found a sucker. So just pretend to be stupid. I bought the group of 3 beers, while I sat and sipped on a watermelon shake and took some pics. I sat closer to the prettiest one. She introduced herself as Vee Vee. She of course told me that tonight is her first night hanging out with her friends at this bar and she is not a hooker. Monkeypaw "cough cough." However I did notice that the street was full of farangs, more than Asians, and many of them walked by and smiled at her or nodded as if they knew her personally. But of course, Monkeypaw knew she was just spitting hooker game.

So before I wasted my time in buying any more beers and giving these girls gas, I jumped to the question. I asked Vee Vee, since the go go bar girls are soooo big, bad and scary, would she mind breaking me in? I know she wasn't a prostitute, but at least I have a rapport with her. Vee Vee looked, smiled and said to me, "I have to ask my friends how much should I charge." Then without her knowing I can understand a bit of Thai. She told them, I was "ting tong" and she was going do it for cheap to reel me in like a "pla" or fish. The other girl said you can probably get 2000 from him. Poor ole Monkeypaw sat that with an "I don't know what the fuck is going on gaze." But in my mind, I knew. Anyways, she told Monkeypaw, it's 1500 for about 90 minutes. And the room at the Heidelberg would cost about 300. I smiled and asked if we can go to my hotel around the corner. It's nicer. Vee Vee said no problem and off we went.

When we got to the room, she saw it was a nice hotel and I saw that greed in her eyes grow. She knew the Monkeypaw's pockets were deep. One look at my room and jacuzzi tub, Vee Vee asked why don't you take me long time? I said "What is long time? As if the Monkeypaw didn't know the answer. I should of asked her. "If you aren't a hooker, how the hell you know a phrase like long time?" She said to me "long time, I stay with you until tomorrow afternoon. We can sex many many times, up to you. She said, "but I want to boom boom you in there" and pointed at the tub. I said how much? She said 3000 is okay. I agreed, Vee Vee then called her friend back and I overheard her saying that she was on her way back to the grab some clothes and bathing suit. She also mentioned that I was easy and that she will end up staying with me for my entire stay in Bangkok. Vee Vee also then made a bet with her friends that I won't even step foot in Nana Plaza after one night with her.

When she left, I grabbed a banana jelly packet and took my medicine to prepare me for the long night of boom boom until we drop dead. When Vee Vee came back, her performance was definitely on par with whatever game Vee Vee was playing. We hooked up my laptop with an HDMI cable to the big screen. While 3 hour music sex compilations were playing, we did it in the tub, sofa, on the floor, and on the bed. She did everything including (DATY, BBBJ, 69, FIV with 3, anal play, and CIM) and even offered to bare back when she saw I took a long time. But Monkeypaw knew it was the Indian jelly doing its job. We repeated again in the morning.

Afterwards, Vee Vee told me she was hungry and asked for breakfast. I was thinking like. "Dang you have had my cock stuffed in your mouth like 100 times last night until now and you want to eat?" Besides I didn't include breakfast in my hotel booking. It was like 800 extra baht per day and I usually sleep. So off we went downstairs where I had to pay 1000 baht for breakfast buffet for 2 and watch her wolf down on bacon. I don't eat meat, so this was repulsive to me. After our meal, Vee Vee asked if she can swim in pool. I told her go ahead, but I wanted to nap. I gave her a key card to re-enter the room. When I woke up, Vee Vee was trying to give me a blow job. After about 15 minutes of no quit, no stop. I busted another one in her mouth. She tried to kiss me afterwards, but Monkeypaw wasn't having any of that. Monkey juice is USDA certified for lady consumption only, not for me.

She then told me that she wanted see me tonight at the same bar where we met, Heidelberg at around 8. I made up some lie that my Korean friend was in town. She said then, the next day. I was like ok sure, whatever. She then said if, she wasn't there when I came. Just ask the girls sitting there to contact her or ask where is Vee Vee. More than likely, it means she is fucking a customer upstairs in the short time room and they want to give her the heads up. Geez, the games they play. Although, I had a good time, honestly her ass was a bit to shapely for me. I like small round. Beside, I don't want to support any more bacon eating. Pigs are smart animals. Between that and walking the back way down Soi 4 with those scary aggressive Nigerian hookers. I'd rather meet her again when I feel in the mood for some big booty. But heck for 3000 long time, Monkeypaw can't really complain.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2135991]Anyways. I told him, I'll send some decent punters his way. They will have to show him the "Monkeypaw Special". It's my way of at least screening regular members of ISG. That's sorta a business card (photo attached) I made up really quickly. That means that the guy can be trusted for him or anyone of his tuk tuk buddies to be taken to the secret sex club. He told me just have my friends only show the "Monkeypaw Special" photo card to the ones working from Soi 3 - Soi 7/1 and not all drivers know of the shop. But he and his co-workers will be on the look out for the "Monkeypaw Special" photo and know where to take you. Enjoy![/QUOTE]Disappointing getting to this place wasn't better monitored. When you left to go home you must have passed some landmarks of note.

I realize its dark at 10 but Bangkok even the smaller soi's are pretty well lit at night.

Even the approximate vicinity would be helpful. I know the Silom Sathorn area well, and with the cool electric blue display at the door with red eyes I'm pretty sure I could find it with a little effort.

Believe me nothing goes on in Bangkok or indeed Thailand that the local BIB don't know about. Trying to avoid paying "key money" would last at most a week and trying to could possibly [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them off and cost a lot more to stay open.

Seems it's a spot we would all want to visit but this card thing is just too weird to follow up. Hopefully you will revisit and give us the location. We are experienced mongers we will find our own way through the door.

Thanks in anticipation.

[QUOTE=MarkGarden;2131466] 3rd. Last night Annies. [/QUOTE]What was the price at Annies?

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2135991]Monkeypaw tip (watermelon juice makes your cum more abundant). I lose a load or two every day banging girls, so helps me replenish my semen volume. After some small chat, I asked about sex. The girls were friendly and even let me snap a pic, but I had to promise to choose them to fuck. [/QUOTE]Haha thanks for That! There were a few times towards the end of my marathons I was just blowing dust!

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2135991]Anyways. I told him, I'll send some decent punters his way. They will have to show him the "Monkeypaw Special". It's my way of at least screening regular members of ISG. That's sorta a business card (photo attached) [/QUOTE]Appreciate the share, I never thought in a million years one of those guys promising the world would actually come through. Hopefully some fellow punters will partake in the future and report more on it. Regardless, I have the business card locked and loaded for my trip this fall.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2136144]The
Then without her knowing I can understand a bit of Thai. She told them, I was "ting tong" and she was going do it for cheap to reel me in like a "pla" or fish. The other girl said you can probably get 2000 from him. Poor ole Monkeypaw sat that with an "I don't know what the fuck is going on gaze." But in my mind, I knew.

Vee then called her friend back and I overheard her saying that she was on her way back to the grab some clothes and bathing suit. She also mentioned that I was easy and that she will end up staying with me for my entire stay in Bangkok. Vee Vee also then made a bet with her friends that I won't even step foot in Nana Plaza after one night with her.
[/QUOTE]Slow clap. Bravo MonkeyPaw, bravo! I am giving myself the goal of trying to learn Thai over the next 6 months for that very reason, although I'd probably end up being turned off after hearing what they are saying. I did pickup on being called "ting tong" a few times last trip. I like how you played the naive idiot card and played their game to your benefit. VeeVee is definitrly waiting / patrolling for you!

Cheers and thanks for the great reports.

HBK Lew.

Hey dude where did you stay?

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2136144]When she left, I grabbed a banana jelly packet and took my medicine to prepare me for the long night of boom boom until we drop dead. When Vee Vee came back, her performance was definitely on par with whatever game Vee Vee was playing. We hooked up my laptop with an HDMI cable to the big screen. While 3 hour music sex compilations were playing, we did it in the tub, sofa, on the floor, and on the bed. She did everything including (DATY, BBBJ, 69, FIV with 3, anal play, and CIM) and even offered to bare back when she saw I took a long time. But Monkeypaw knew it was the Indian jelly doing its job. We repeated again in the morning.[/QUOTE]First off, great review! Hilarious!

Second, what is this Indian banana jelly thing you speak off? Can Monkeypaw elaborate and advise where to get some?

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2136144] But heck for 3000 long time, Monkeypaw can't really complain.[/QUOTE]I always wondered what the lady boys charged.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2136184]
Seems it's a spot we would all want to visit but this card thing is just too weird to follow up. Hopefully you will revisit and give us the location. We are experienced mongers we will find our own way through the door.[/QUOTE]I would take his stories with a big grain of salt. Since he was mocked at this board for bragging about his 'game' he's making up all kinds of weird stories.

[QUOTE=LewAshby;2136396]Appreciate the share, I never thought in a million years one of those guys promising the world would actually come through. Hopefully some fellow punters will partake in the future and report more on it. Regardless, I have the business card locked and loaded for my trip this fall.[/QUOTE]These guys are some of the worst type that a foreigner can meet in Thailand. Their business is to f*ck foreigners up and to disappear, my advice is to stay as far as possible from them.

[QUOTE=LewAshby;2136399]Slow clap. Bravo MonkeyPaw, bravo! I am giving myself the goal of trying to learn Thai over the next 6 months for that very reason, although I'd probably end up being turned off after hearing what they are saying. I did pickup on being called "ting tong" a few times last trip. I like how you played the naive idiot card and played their game to your benefit. VeeVee is definitrly waiting / patrolling for you!

Cheers and thanks for the great reports.

HBK Lew.[/QUOTE]In my experience that happened only very few times that Thais started saying things about me and I've never met any girl talking like they did in that story (when they really want to do it, they do it in Essaan language, not in Thai) , most of the time there is nothing interesting to hear from them when they talk together. If it's the only reason you want to learn Thai, it's not worth the effort and the time spent.

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2136518]First off, great review! Hilarious!

Second, what is this Indian banana jelly thing you speak off? Can Monkeypaw elaborate and advise where to get some?[/QUOTE]Kamagra Jelly 100 MG, you can find it in many pharmacies for less than 100 baht. Be aware that you will probably have some of the worst headache of your life when using it.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2136144]The other night, I took a shortcut to Nana. I was staying near Sukhumvit Soi 8, so I went the back way pass Loiltas, through Soi 6 alley, in order to reach Soi 4. As I was walking, I noticed a sexy girl sitting outside a small bar on the right side of Soi 4, after a couple of massage joints. She was chatting with a few other ladies in a group. I wasn't sure if they were patrons or working girls. So I kind of stood there for a few minutes trying to scope out the scene. Then some Nigerian hookers started hassling me. Monkeypaw free grabs and touches are not for them, so I quickly crossed the street towards the girl I've been eyeing. The name of the bar is Heidelberg. I think there is also a hotel attached to it. Anyways, I approached the small group and pretended I was lost. I said, "Hi, you know where I can find Nana Plaza, so I can go looking ladies?" The girl that I was interested in spoke out, "Why you want to go Nana, many lady agogo no good for boom boom. Lady here good!

Man. Just like that I was straight in. I pretended to be a newbie to get best experience and told them it was my first time in Bangkok. Naivety usually gets you more because sometimes they think if they give you an all out experience, they may have found a sucker. So just pretend to be stupid. I bought the group of 3 beers, while I sat and sipped on a watermelon shake and took some pics. I sat closer to the prettiest one. She introduced herself as Vee Vee. She of course told me that tonight is her first night hanging out with her friends at this bar and she is not a hooker. Monkeypaw "cough cough." However I did notice that the street was full of farangs, more than Asians, and many of them walked by and smiled at her or nodded as if they knew her personally. But of course, Monkeypaw knew she was just spitting hooker game..[/QUOTE]Which jelly do you use? To cream directly on your dick? I ask because last time I was in BKK I used Cialis, worked quite well but could not sleep later on. This is a known side-effect of Cialis (although I didn't take really much). Maybe your jelly is my solution? Thanks for info and tell me where you buy it.

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2136518]what is this Indian banana jelly thing you speak off? Can Monkeypaw elaborate and advise where to get some?[/QUOTE]Kamagra Oral Jelly, have different tastes like orange, pineapples, watermelon, etc. Available in almost all pharmacy and from street vendors (if they are still along the Sukhumvit Rd.).

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2136561]I would take his stories with a big grain of salt. Since he was mocked at this board for bragging about his 'game' he's making up all kinds of weird stories.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but it seems too many guys believe his fantasy stories.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2136561]I would take his stories with a big grain of salt. Since he was mocked at this board for bragging about his 'game' he's making up all kinds of weird stories.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I would too. He is a long way from becoming a believable contributor, in my book.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2136614]WHich jelly do you use? To cream directly on your dick? I ask because last time I was in BKK I used Cialis, worked quite well but could not sleep later on. This is aknown side-effect of Cialis (although I did'nt take really much). Maybe your jelly is my solution? Thanks for info and tell me where you buy it.[/QUOTE]They sell the stuff all over the place back here in the states, I buy the purple colored one. Girls say that it tastes great. Don't get the mixed variety, that's just nuts. I couldn't sleep either when I used the stuff, fuckin insects love the stuff as well. Things really get super-sized if you have any allergies as well. Now if you are into nuts, this is the way to go.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2136538]I always wondered what the lady boys charged.[/QUOTE]Bingo! If he is picking up a "sexy girl" in front of Heidelberg, it can only be the Ladyboy who has been a fixture in that spot for years. And he isn't even a very good looking Ladyboy. But he does look "sexier" than any actual female I have seen standing outside or working inside that bar in the 5+ years I have lived in the area. And I walk past there almost every night. LOL. Grain of salt? I'd load up on a crate of Morton's.

These girls are the only ones Monkeypaw knows of that can make their pussies' squirt in Baccara. Both girls work downstairs. I've been with both and took #246 again last night. She is all of about 100 lbs with nicely shaped silicone boobs, long brunette hair, and a lovely face. She is always eager to please. Probably the best face in the whole club in my opinion. Normally she works at around 8:00 pm and is barfined by 10:00 pm. So you have to come early to grab her. Normally, she dances in the front of the stage, right as you walk in. Tonight was the same routine she is used to. I picked her up after the typical 2 drinks and the 600 barfine. We went to my hotel and she saw my bed was already lined a with large plastic cover cut from trash bags. After a shower where she performed a BBBJ on Monkeypaw Jr. , we finally made it to the bed. I broke out some anal beads, a fully charged rabbit vibrator, and some baby oil and got to work. About 15 minutes into the session, with the beads in her ass and the vibrator working it's magic with the rabbit ears bouncing on her clit, she began to cum and squirted enough juice to fill a 16 ounce bottle. Afterwards, she is really sensitive and that's when she prefers to be fucked. We did stranding up with her bent over the bed. She tried to crawl away because it was too intense. It wasn't long before I was ready to come. I pulled off the condom, gripped my dick, and pulled out the beads. I was then able to squirt a little in her open ass and the rest on her back. She bitches every time this happens, but she keeps wanting to come with me when I ask to barfine. Maybe she complains because she knows I'll tip her. Anyways, total damage for her was 3000 plus 200 tip and 50 baht for taxi back to Baccara.

#239 would have been my second choice that night, but she was sitting with a farang customer. She recently got a boob job to attract more Western customers. She told me that they like small girls with big boobs. Before, I remember her as having natural but very perky and firm boobs. I liked her better with natural boobs. She also weighs about 100 lbs as well and has a lovely face too. She dances in the front of the stage between the door and the men's bathroom. She comes in usually at 9:00 pm. Her squirting is more intermittent. You can be having sex with her and she starts gushing and stops. When she comes, she squirts a lot. She is also a multiple orgasmic type of girl. Monkeypaw two paws 🐾 up for these two chicas! Take care or them nicely and remember, to tip your friendly waitress.

[QUOTE=LewAshby;2136396]Haha thanks for That! There were a few times towards the end of my marathons I was just blowing dust!

Appreciate the share, I never thought in a million years one of those guys promising the world would actually come through. Hopefully some fellow punters will partake in the future and report more on it. Regardless, I have the business card locked and loaded for my trip this fall.[/QUOTE]I had originally posted a couple of more pics that shows the front of the club along with the access card for the tuk tuk drivers to recognize. However Admin edited my original post without them included. Perhaps, Admin doesn't want stuff like that out in the open to just any members. I may have to screen to see who I can send this to. Or maybe I will just delegate another trusted member to do so.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2136599] Be aware that you will probably have some of the worst headache of your life when using it.[/QUOTE]Not everyone is affected by the same side effects.

[QUOTE=LewAshby;2136399]Slow clap. Bravo MonkeyPaw, bravo! I am giving myself the goal of trying to learn Thai over the next 6 months for that very reason, although I'd probably end up being turned off after hearing what they are saying. I did pickup on being called "ting tong" a few times last trip. I like how you played the naive idiot card and played their game to your benefit. VeeVee is definitrly waiting / patrolling for you!

Cheers and thanks for the great reports.

HBK Lew.[/QUOTE]Next time you talk with a Thai girl. Tell her "[blue][Non-English text deleted by Admin][/blue]" and point to her lips. Watch the expression on her face.

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[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2136716]I had originally posted a couple of more pics that shows the front of the club along with the access card for the tuk tuk drivers to recognize. However Admin edited my original post without them included. Perhaps, Admin doesn't want stuff like that out in the open to just any members. I may have to screen to see who I can send this to. Or maybe I will just delegate another trusted memeber to do so.[/QUOTE][BLUE]Or you fucked up when you posted it because nothing you're describing is against the rules.

If you want to mail it to me I'll look at it and let you know

usasgforummoderator@gmail.com

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1. It is highly un-realistic to expect 2 hour short times from 1st session agoggo girls. 20 minutes- one hour is the norm. Regulars the sky is the limit.

2. Sharks lineup is always the same same- one or 2 avg lookers.

3. IS CH charging the 100 baht entrance fee? I think its a scheme thought up by the door men. LOL. The figure what's the big deal. Tourists will pay it happily.

4. Lollipops really do have about 4 above avg lookers with real tits. Surprising since they are such a small club.

5. That club next to Rainbow 4. How do they stay in business? Their girls more ISSARN types. Don't look too friendly. Very few customers.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2136007]Pattaya's gogo quality is pretty high, I'd rank it a bit above Bangkok's scene myself. I do tend to find brand new girls to the scene more so in Pattaya than in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I was surprised but right now right here Pattaya agogos are filled with really really pretty girls.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2136688]Grain of salt? I'd load up on a crate of Morton's.[/QUOTE]Clearly the nonsense posts have been gaining momentum. Sad state of affairs that.

Short term solution: while it is an admittedly imperfect workaround, the [I]ignore[/I] function is your friend.

Long term consequence: it erodes the level of legitimate contributor interest, which leads to decreased actionable intel.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2136792]
Short term solution: while it is an admittedly imperfect workaround, the [I]ignore[/I] function is your friend.
[/QUOTE]Yes, ignore function is helpful, but too many guys quoted his post and celebrate his fantasy stories.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2136598]In my experience that happened only very few times that Thais started saying things about me and I've never met any girl talking like they did in that story (when they really want to do it, they do it in Essaan language, not in Thai) , most of the time there is nothing interesting to hear from them when they talk together. If it's the only reason you want to learn Thai, it's not worth the effort and the time spent.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the insight Paolo! That was a slight part of the motivation, but the majority revolves around the fact that I'd like to make the LOS my retirement sanctuary for 3-4 months when I retire in 20 -30 years. Also, I am a fan of the girls new to the scene, and noticed that they are typically quite limited with English (to be expected). I figured if I could add to my repertoire in terms of rapport building ability that it would only the cause!

Cheers,

HBK Lew.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2136792]Clearly the nonsense posts have been gaining momentum. Sad state of affairs that.

Short term solution: while it is an admittedly imperfect workaround, the [I]ignore[/I] function is your friend.

Long term consequence: it erodes the level of legitimate contributor interest, which leads to decreased actionable intel.

SL.[/QUOTE]I don't put anyone on Ignore. But I do only see his posts through quotes of others because he is apparently so emotionally fragile and incapable of supporting a position beyond his fantasy, either he or someone else has hidden his original posts from some of us. LOL.

I generally agree with the concept of ignoring his posts. And if they are only him rhapsdizing about his epic sexual adventures, we should. But we also should also challenge any poster who asserts something that just doesn't jibe with easily observable reality. Because not to do so misleads other, less experienced or informed, readers.

It isn't helpful to ignore and not respond to absolutely everything a troll posts.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2136802]Yes, ignore function is helpful, but too many guys quoted his post and celebrate his fantasy stories.[/QUOTE]Now why on earth would you say that? Just because this guy has more adventures than Indiana Jones doesn't mean they don't happen.

He's larger than life where sneaking into Thailand, finding secret sex clubs and having sex that the rest of us only dream about is just how this guy spends his days or more correctly his nights.

He does go into amazing detail, provides on occasion documentary back up and venues names and identifies girls which in those instances at least could be easily debunked if they were fake.

For me he doesn't shill any particular establishment and whether or not a lot of the time he is just daydreaming I don't care, I find his posts entertaining.

I have on my to do list to a visit to Heidelberg to buy Vee Vee a drink, find some plastic bed covering and try out no's 239 and 246 at Baccara and scout around Silom looking for the door with a Blue Display with Red Eyes.

Why not just scroll past The Paw's posts if you don't want to read them. That's easy enough to do. Personally I find his posts entertaining with some good info in them on occasion. I do find his posts often appear out of order. Sometimes I have to scroll backwards to see them.

[QUOTE=Allover;2136961]Why not just scroll past The Paw's posts if you don't want to read them. That's easy enough to do. Personally I find his posts entertaining with some good info in them on occasion. I do find his posts often appear out of order. Sometimes I have to scroll backwards to see them.[/QUOTE]My posts are out of order because they all go to the forum Mods first. There are some guys that truly have this thing against me. This is nothing new to the Paw. There are some who love me and some who hate. The Mods have set it to where those who troll me every time I post, I don't see their posts. And they don't see mine. This is to avoid arguing. Yet, even with this filter by the Mods, pay attention to those who have snide comments every time I post something. I avoid saying anything back now. It's not worth my time. I'm too busy banging girls and contributing. And Monkeypaw keeps on going'.

[QUOTE=Allover;2136961]Why not just scroll past The Paw's posts if you don't want to read them. That's easy enough to do. Personally I find his posts entertaining with some good info in them on occasion. I do find his posts often appear out of order. Sometimes I have to scroll backwards to see them.[/QUOTE]I have no clue whether Monkeypaw is legitimate or not. I will give him the benefit of the doubt, but like everything I read on the internet, I am cautious.

The whole point of a board like this, is to share information. If you believe that the information that is provided is blatantly false, then simply ignoring is a bad thing to do, as that information will lead others into trouble.

Hence, I can understand why some of the guys are a upset.

I have been on other boards where some guy will highly recommend a girl or a bar. I go to that girl or bar and find that the service is terrible, and the girls are ugly. I might have gone out of my way to.

Find that girl or place, and completely wasted my time. For some people, wasting time is no big deal. For me, I have a limited time on this earth, and I want to maximize my fun while I still can. So wasting my time.

Is a cardinal sin.

Has anyone tried the X Easy Bar girl who has moved to Cowboy2 that Syzygies.

Mentions? I believe her name is Bo or Bew. If so, your opinion / s please. Thanks.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2136712]Before, I remember her as having natural but very perky and firm boobs. I liked her better with natural boobs.[/QUOTE]I agree. While I do appreciate a large rack, it HAS to be natural. I'll take a perky "B" over a silicone "C" anytime. A bit of sag just lets me know that gravity is operating on flesh. Last year, at Addict's Massage, picked a stunner, BEAUTIFUL face, petite, large rack (between yearly visits, I always forget that most all there are "engineered"; think her name was Bee?) Painfully reminded as her boob massage was literally like being rubbed with large river stones.

Two years ago, pulled a "bit past her prime, but would pay to see" woman from Beer Garden (Bier Garten). I'll admit, THE attraction was the rack. I simply asked her if those were from her mother or from a doctor. She laughed, and said hospital boobs were expensive and she was poor; they were natural. And yes, they were. While I've met some with decent implants, I'll take mine from Mother Nature, thank you.

[QUOTE=AliciaKeys;2136761]I was surprised but right now right here Pattaya agogos are filled with really really pretty girls.[/QUOTE]Please tell us the names of those gogo clubs? Thanks.

[QUOTE=SunnyBoyPerth;2135923]I had the pleasure of being sucked in full public view a couple of years back but was told that the girls worked in rotation so I could not decide. Obviously I was taken for a ride (pun intended! But the girl really gave a long slurpy BJ and I enjoyed every minute of it. Will be in BKK in another 2 weeks and intend to pass by again. This time I'll decide the sucker!

What are the other BJ bars? Not the Wood Bar as they have really small cubicles and its not done in public!

Will appreciate if some seniors can guide me to Star of Light competitors![/QUOTE]I made sure to get the girl I wanted -- just have to be a bit forceful on that.

My compiled BJ bar info:

BJ Bars.

L0 lita's Bar.

Kasalong Bar.

Wood Bar. -- The Wood Bar is indeed a BJ bar. I don't know if you can get a HJ there (or at any other BJ bar for that matter) but if you can then 500 should be about right. For a BJ they have a two tier system. Last time I went there I believe it was 1000 baht for the (relatively!) better looking (or more skilled?) girls and 700 or 800 for the less attractive ones. A tip is not mandatory but very much appreciated (200-300 baht for a good BJ will do).

Som's Haven.

Magic Table.

Lollipop1.

Star of Light. -- Regarding BJ bars, definitely try Star of Light at Patpong. Not everyone's favorite, but it's the reference BJ bar where action still takes place in the open (not a room upstairs) unless you opt for their free VIP room.

Bitstyle -- For a more up market place with better looking girls I can highly recommend Bitstyle (google Bitstyle Bangkok). A BJ there is 1400 baht (excluding tip).

The best lookers I have seen will be working the day shift at Kasalong Bar. Unless they are busy inside with customers, the better looking ones generally congregate together at the table right next to the passage between Kasalong Bar and L0 lita's Bar.

No, drinks or ladydrinks are not mandatory. Up to you. You can just grab your girl outside and go directly upstair for the BBBJ. 2 the time in four days in I stopped by lollipop1 and they only had two ugly girls even by BJ bar standards so I decided to try SOM Haven and man they had so many girls there they could have staffed a GO GO bar. Took the girl that was next in the cue and she did the job expertly without complaining. Asked her why there were so many girls there and she said it was the usual but whatever it worked for me. Soi 7-1 seems to be on its last leg or is certainly on the decline which may explains why some of those girls are so pissy. There used to be a festive atmosphere when I would venture down this Soi in the past but its just not the same. They also closed one of my fav massage shop there. Lolit at s and Kasalong also had a good selection out front.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2136969]There are some guys that truly have this thing against me. This is nothing new to the Paw.[/QUOTE]Maybe it's because you refer to yourself in the third person, which most people find very much like a wanker. But hey, I don't judge!

[QUOTE=Stykler;2137288]Maybe it's because you refer to yourself in the third person, which most people find very much like a wanker. But hey, I don't judge![/QUOTE]I appreciate all your contributions to the Thailand forum. Your reports are great and very informative. And because of them, agree with you 100% about the wanker thing. Interesting how others may not. Paw.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2137272]
My compiled BJ bar info:

BJ Bars. [/QUOTE]I'll add in Afterskool in Soi Cowboy. They have a naughty corner at the end of the bar so it's pretty public. No rooms that I'm aware of (haven't asked). 1,000 baht, had a 20 YO blow me on Friday night.

They don't necessarily have the best looking girls but if you're just after a quick BJ and happen to be in Cowboy then it's not a bad option. I quite often drink there as I also like the music and I don't get hassled if I don't feel like a BJ.

So, I've been pushing this out forever, because of work. And then, somebody pings me for additional information, and I remember that I've yet to share my report from November. Well, here's the one about the special night.

Buddies and I made our way to Insanity Nightclub on Soi 11. We'd called ahead, and were told that entry is 400 baht, including a drink. But, at the door we were informed that it was 1000 baht a head (included 3 drinks). I guess I don't sound like an Indian on the phone. But, with great looking babes walking in, we decided to get table service. 3 k for a bottle of JW, let's in 3 guys. 2 others paid for 1 k each. So, in we went, ready to party!

The nightclub itself is great. It's a huge room, with a large dance floor. A few pillars off to the sides; unobtrusive unless you're stuck behind one. Standing tables are clearly labelled "For Bottle Service Only". Of course, the gals don't have to worry about that. The staff, wearing fancy electronic name tags, will happily escort the ladies to any available table.

The ladies are hot, of course. And, you'll find all kinds. Short and shapely, tall and thin, thick with frizzy hair. I believe I saw some hot Indian chicks too, but can't be absolutely sure. Of course, at a place as pricey as this one, you'll find all comers.

Cute lady on the next table gives my friend the eye, and comes over as soon as he smiles back. That's all it takes, of course. She's working on him, right after exchanging names. In a short brown dress, she's grinding her butt into him, keeping pace with the music. I know he's having a good time. In a few, she's turned around, and nibbling on his ears. I look away for a few, initiating my own hunt. When I look back, she's gone. Bud informs me that she wanted to head out right away, while he wanted some more of the bump-and-grind. After all we just got here. So, she left. For those who are curious, she asked for 3 k ST. Worth it? I'm not sure.

I danced with no less that 5 ladies that night. It was that kind of a place. I'd walk around the block, and a chick would come sliding up to me, for a dance. Slowly, I figured it out. The ladies on the outside were available, and would join you wherever you wanted to take them. The ladies on the inside were taken (boyfriend or temporary-boyfriend, it didn't matter). So, if you do visit, keep your eyes on the outer ring. The best chicks were by the bar.

A few hours in, and I was 4, maybe 5 drinks down. I'm not a heavy drinker, and was pretty close to being done. Looked up from the table to find a cute Thai chick checking me out. Of sheer habit, I lifted my glass, and she responded right away. I found my way over, and before I could say a word, she pecked me on the cheek. I liked her! Calls herself Titi. I think she'll be in the late twenties. But, the Thais have such beautiful skin.

Anyway, I bring her back to my table. And, in less than a minute, she's friends with all of my friends. And, she introduces herself as my gal. GFE, here we come. She's playful as hell. Grabbing my hand to spank her on her clothed butt, when the music was at it's peak. Playing crotch grab, with a big O mouth. And sweet, playful kisses. Oh yeah!

But, the price has to be right. Quotes 4 k for the full night, which she knows I won't refuse. I give in, with the caveat that the ass had to be included. She says it won't fit. I say, it'll be fun trying. I say, I don't have a room. She says, come to mine. And, off we go. No really, she took me to her home, which was a 50 baht ride away.

Now, I can go into specifics and details of the next 9 hours. But, that's best left to the imagination. All I'll say is, that was the best 5 k I've spent so far (yes, I tipped her an extra 1000). I'll also say this, she was right, it didn't fit.

I'll try to answer the questions that will be asked. She didn't have the hottest body on the dance floor, she had had a baby, so there were some stretch marks. She loved cuddling, especially after her orgasm, of which she had more than a handful. She got emotional as well, when talking about her kid; this only made her human and the sex was real not mechanical. I don't know if she's the same with everyone. But, it was a good night.

Ciao!

Hi.

I'm returning to BKK in a few weeks and was looking forward to popping my EDEN Club Cherry. I'm an Ass type of man and am getting a bit frustrated with ladies saying they take it up the wrong'un only to say it don't fit one you're knocking at the back door so to speak.

Anyway, I read on another site that EDEN has closed, someone said they walked past recently and nothing!

Can ayone confirm the situation?

[QUOTE=TommySnap;2137491]Hi.

I'm returning to BKK in a few weeks and was looking forward to popping my EDEN Club Cherry. I'm an Ass type of man and am getting a bit frustrated with ladies saying they take it up the wrong'un only to say it don't fit one you're knocking at the back door so to speak.

Anyway, I read on another site that EDEN has closed, someone said they walked past recently and nothing!

Can ayone confirm the situation?[/QUOTE]I don't know if Eden is actually close or not, but you can go to Snow White, Tulip, Mango and others for anal sex.

I've been meaning to write this for a while. I visit BKK a few times per year on business. Sometimes alone sometimes with colleagues. When I'm alone and have a weekend stop over I tend to look for a nice freeby to spend my time with. I do this because every now and then its nice to spend some time with a lady that isn't just after your cash. I'm not a tight arse and it probably cost me more after I've paid for the dinner, drinks, club, transport costs etc. I P2 P when the situation dictates.

I'm early 40's, white European and pretty average in every way.

Lady Number 1. Oct 2015. I honestly can't remember her name, we met on TF. I'm always honest on my TF profile, I state clearly what I'm looking for. TF is full of ladies looking for a husband and ladies looking for P2 P. Being honest tends to deter the above mentioned from contacting me. On all occasions mentioned here, the 3 ladies made initial contact with me first after reading my profile. Anyway, I digress, she contacted me on TF. She was pretty up front in what she was looking for, spend a few days together in a nice hotel, dinner, drinks, dancing, sex. Lets call her Som, she was early 40's (I'm only interested in mid 30's to mid 40's, my kids are in their 20's, so anything less than 30 is a bit weird for me) short and slim, never had kids, divorced many years. She lived somewhere far from BKK but was willing to come down for the weekend. We chatted on TF for a few weeks to make the arrangements. She turned up on Friday evening about 10 pm. I met her in the lobby and we went up to the room to drop off here bags. First impression, face 5, body 8, I was happy. Off we went to hit a few bars (she had already eaten). We did the usual chat, weather, kids, holidays, jobs. We hit a few bars around Nana and ended up in Beer Garden. With the cocktails flowing she started to open up a bit, she worked in the family business, divorced because she was unable to have kids, had a long term western BF but they split up recently because he wouldn't commit. She also had a sideline in Skype shows for a couple of old guys in Canada. She was basically bored and horny as hell and I was her weekend escape from this boredom. By the end of the evening she had her hand in my pants massaging my John-Thomas and I was returning the favour under the table after she opened her legs and pulled her knickers to the side. Back to the hotel, pronto.

She was everything I had hoped for, a sex starved nymphomaniac MILF. Naked she looked fantastic, perfect tight smooth tanned skin. Small firm tits, perfect round small dark nipples, cute perfect round arse that looked fantastic during a bit of reverse cowboy. Wow was she tight (remember I'm pretty average) we went on for several hours, trying any position we could think of on every bit of furniture in the room, stopping every 20 minutes or so for a breather. She must have had about 6 or 7 orgasms, she was killing me. I always practise safe sex but the problem for me is I almost never come whilst wearing a condom, so when I eventually ran out of steam, she finished me off with a BBBJ / HJ combo.

Next morning things were different. It was me. I just wanted her to go. We went down for breakfast, I'm pretty sure she sensed something had changed and offered to go home. We checked her bus time table and there was only one bus to her little town and it had left 20 minutes before. She said she could go a stay with her sister in BKK, sister knew she was with me, she was her safety alarm if I was a physco, and Som was found in a ditch. But I felt a bit sorry for her and we decided to stick it out. We spent the rest of the morning visiting a temple and hitting the shopping mall, she didn't ask for anything and I offered but she was happy with just an ice-cream and a coffee. Back to the hotel in the afternoon, lying on the bed watching some crap action movie. She was lying next to me on the bed, just from the shower, naked. I couldn't resist, we started playing. Do you want to fuck me? She asked but it wasn't a question it was a request. I wanted to wait till later, so I pulled her up to my face and as I lay the on my back, with her kneeling either side of my face, I licked a prodded with my tongue, it wasn't long before she was cuming, loud and fast. We had room service then hit the bars again, it was another fun night sat outside NANA in one of the bars facing the main street, spotting lady boys in the car park and walking the street. I was glad she had stayed. Then back to the room for pretty much the same as the night before. I was feeling better about it all on the Sunday morning and we had some nice Sunday morning sex. She left at about 10 am to catch her bus. I paid for the taxis and her return bus fare (it was ridiculously cheap considering she was at on it for 6 hours each way).

We're still in contact, she has a new BF, South African, they live in BKK. Anyway on a recent visit I told her I would be in town, she asked for a meet up. "but you have a BF now, what will you tell him" I asked, " don't worry, I only want to meet for a fuck, I'll tell him I've gone shopping with my sister".

Number 2 and 3. Spring 2017. Many Ladies on TF tend to like the talk but when It comes to the meet, they bottle it. So I always have more than one on the go at a time. This time I had Geek and Bangs (37 from somewhere up north, had a Japanese look). And they both confirmed they wanted to meet up. I'm a gentleman and didn't want to let either of them down. So the plan was to meet Geek Saturday evening till Sunday morning and Bangs Sunday lunch time to Monday morning. (I even considered fitting Som in the few hours I was alone but decided that was asking too much of the little chap) Neither knew about the other. Geek was 24 (I know) but I couldn't resist her, she was sweet and innocent but she knew what I wanted and she wanted the same. She had just split up from her Dutch BF. She was a student studying some sort of computer thing and worked as a live-in Nanny for a Spanish / thai couple. Lived in BKK but from some village up north. Both Som and Bangs were pretty much sending filth to me via the internet as soon as we started chatting but not Geek, she was shy and prim and proper, it took all of my charm to get a fully naked picture out of her, good job I did because that's what sealed the deal for the meet up. Great body, tall slim but curvy and great nice sized tits for an Asian.

Saturday Evening, same lobby, I'm pretty sure same room as with Som. Weirdly she didn't have any luggage, just a hand bag. Up to the room, to drop off her stuff and get my wallet. I think she expected to get down and dirty straight away but I told her we were going for a spot of dinner and dancing. We had dinner at some ridiculously expensive tourist place, then a few beers at some bars between the restaurant and the hotel. We were getting on fine, I was cracking the jokes and she was laughing at all the right times. I held her hand walking down the street, I opened doors for her, I helped her up and down steps, over puddles etc. Just the normal kind of behaviour that us well mannered western gentlemen always offer to a lady. She loved it. Back at the hotel, she was a bit tipsy. Undressed she looked good, her body was fantastic, just the shape I like and like I said, great tits. The sex was good but not great, her inexperience and shyness were holding us back but it was good. Next morning I had learnt my lesson, after our Sunday morning session, I told her I had to have a breakfast meeting with some customers. I went down to breakfast alone and took my time. Back to the room and she was not there but her things were, she returned a few minutes after me with a new toothbrush and some new knickers. I'm not sure why she didn't bring them, maybe she thought I was not going to turn up or she thought it was going to be a quick shag and I'the send her on her way. Anyway she was obviously staying now, which was odd because she was supposed to be on her way home any minute now. I brought up the subject of when she was going home. Oh, I'm staying she said, she told mr amd mrs Spanish / Thai that she was out till Monday morning and they've got friends staying in her room now... Shit what about Bangs, she was going to be here in a few hours. I got a message to her, she had already told me she may be late because she had spent the Saturday at her mothers and may be late back. No reply, try again a few minutes later, still no reply. After another crap action movie, which I didn't see much of, because I was constantly checking my phone, I eventually get a message from Bangs. She was sorry, she wouldn't be back from mother's till late evening, blah, blah blah. I knew where this was going. It was a relief but I decided to see how far she would go because although it looked like she wasn't going to walk the walk, I wanted to see if it was genuine and maybe meet her next time I was in town (remember she had been sending me some filth, and it was good filth). I told her I would wait and that I didn't mind what time she arrived, I would be here for her. Then came the killer they always use. Its was her time of the month. I was now feeling better about Geek making herself at home in my room. We showered and got ready to go out. I remember walking out of the bath room into the bedroom where Geek was laying naked on the bed, lights off with the lights of Bangkok shining in through the window. Wow it was perfect and as long as I live, I will remember that split second I laid my eyes on here laying there. Off out for some food, very fancy restaurant she chose, on top of a skyscraper then drinks, she was a lot more relaxed and we hit Nana Plaza. She was a bit shocked. We ended up in one of the gogo bars, can't remember which one but it was fun and she enjoyed it. We sat away from the stage and had a few drinks, she asked me if I could take any girl in the bar which one I would choose, I said I would choose her (it worked). Back at the hotel I decided she needed a good seeing to. Earlier she had mentioned that she liked the view from my room, we were on the 25th floor or something. So I bent her over on the sofa in front of the window and gave it to her hard and fast from behind pulling her head back with her long hair, she went wild, no longer the sweet innocent young lady from the night before. She was even more pissed up now because she offered to finish me off BBBJ / CIM. Bless her. Later that night cuddling she hit me with it. She really liked me because I reminded her of her (deceased) Dad. WTF? She left very early the next morning, about 5. 30 because she had to get little Mr and Mrs Spanish / Thai ready for School. We kept in touch, but after a couple of weeks she told me she was in love with me but she understood that we would never be together. I let her down gently and stopped answering her mails after a couple of months. Do I feel bad, yes I do.

So out of the three, one a sex starved nymphomaniac MILF, one a sweet little Geek looking for a father figure and is now in love with me. The third, a bottler. Wonder what the fourth will be like..

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2136561]I would take his stories with a big grain of salt. Since he was mocked at this board for bragging about his 'game' he's making up all kinds of weird stories.[/QUOTE]Anybody who thinks those pics are representative of the women available at the Heidelberg has clearly never been there. The women who sit outside that place are without a doubt the OLDEST providers in Bangkok. Like the 84 yo flight attendant who retired from United Airlines. He is having his fun. Go ahead, eat it up you all.

The other night I was in a taxi headed to Nana and saw two girls standing around near the Landmark / Motorola building on Sukhumvit near Soi 4. I think that's also where I often see the old Russian lady that yells "short time" to every male passerby. I asked the taxi to stop so I can check them out personally, but there were cars behind us, so he could not. He eventually stopped at the Majestic Hotel and back tracked towards the girls. By then they were not there anymore. I saw them coming down the overpass to the other side Soi 7 and then head down the Soi. My gut told me that they were headed to probably Beer Garden on Soi 7. I was too lazy to follow, so I headed to Nana. This was around 10 pm. So I made a point to check out Beer Garden again the next time.

The next night I went to Beer Garden and look who I found. One of the girls from the night before. Her name is Poy. She's, 24,5'4 and less than 110? We made some small chat and she told me she and her friend often stand at that spot until the crazy Russian lady comes. Long story short, we agreed on LT for 1500. We then left to go to Ratchada Soi 4 to grab some food and hang out Hollywood. Afterwards she booked a nearby room because my condo was chaotic from packing for my trip to Pattaya. In the hotel room, I decided to take the advice of a fellow member on here and not use soap to shower. I wanted to see if it got me more GFE if I smelled manly instead of scented. When Poy asked why I told her I was advised soap was bad for skin. She's said that she also knew all along that the soap and hygiene industry was all a scam anyways. We clicked like two peas in a pod. Services included GFE, lots of kissing, BBBJ, and BBFS. She's was champ! Swapped out LINE ID and now I'm headed to Pattaya. Monkeypaw 2 paws up!

I sometimes browse the Casual Encounters ads on CL. I had never tried any because they tend to have a bad reputation for misrepresentation, and scams etc. Recently I could not resist this one "Small bundle. W4 m (Near Asok)" and contacted her on Line. It was a peak experience. She is slim and flawless. Her pussy is superb. She will BBBJ, CIM, rim and covered sex. She loves DATY buts comes very quickly. Or is an award winning actress. I was very happy. It was 3000 baht. Maybe you can talk her down but likely not. I think she stays busy and does not even have her ad up all the time. It is back up today. I did not negotiate for a specific time allowance and my short time was a mere 30 minutes. I personally will probably not repeat as I have other very good experiences for 1000 to 2000. Do negotiate for an hour at least if you book her.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2137272]I made sure to get the girl I wanted -- just have to be a bit forceful on that.

My compiled BJ bar info:

BJ Bars.

L0 lita's Bar.

Kasalong Bar.

Wood Bar. -- The Wood Bar is indeed a BJ bar. I don't know if you can get a HJ there (or at any other BJ bar for that matter) but if you can then 500 should be about right. For a BJ they have a two tier system. Last time I went there I believe it was 1000 baht for the (relatively!) better looking (or more skilled?) girls and 700 or 800 for the less attractive ones. A tip is not mandatory but very much appreciated (200-300 baht for a good BJ will do).

Som's Haven.

Magic Table.

Lollipop1.

Star of Light. -- Regarding BJ bars, definitely try Star of Light at Patpong. Not everyone's favorite, but it's the reference BJ bar where action still takes place in the open (not a room upstairs) unless you opt for their free VIP room.

Bitstyle -- For a more up market place with better looking girls I can highly recommend Bitstyle (google Bitstyle Bangkok). A BJ there is 1400 baht (excluding tip).

The best lookers I have seen will be working the day shift at Kasalong Bar. Unless they are busy inside with customers, the better looking ones generally congregate together at the table right next to the passage between Kasalong Bar and L0 lita's Bar.

No, drinks or ladydrinks are not mandatory. Up to you. You can just grab your girl outside and go directly upstair for the BBBJ. 2 the time in four days in I stopped by lollipop1 and they only had two ugly girls even by BJ bar standards so I decided to try SOM Haven and man they had so many girls there they could have staffed a GO GO bar. Took the girl that was next in the cue and she did the job expertly without complaining. Asked her why there were so many girls there and she said it was the usual but whatever it worked for me. Soi 7-1 seems to be on its last leg or is certainly on the decline which may explains why some of those girls are so pissy. There used to be a festive atmosphere when I would venture down this Soi in the past but its just not the same. They also closed one of my fav massage shop there. Lolit at s and Kasalong also had a good selection out front.[/QUOTE]Regarding the high number of ladies that work at Som"s Haven, I believe that is because there is absolutely no cost to the shop to employ a lady and ample opportunity to make money from them if they are late or miss a day for any reason. Note the time clock on the wall behind the bar. A few minutes late and you are out 1000 baht. Take a sick day off 1000 baht etc. I think it is safe to assume that there is not a single lady there that can work a full month without paying a fine.

Dude,

Use soap and scrub with hand towel. Scented soaps are popular with girls. Otherwise you will soon start smelling. I personally like the lemon grass stuff at the hotels. I sweat like a pig and try to wash several times during the summer if I am out a lot. I sometimes feel sorry for the girls because I am dripping wet like an oiled gladiator and raining on them.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2137666]In the hotel room, I decided to take the advice of a fellow member on here and not use soap to shower. I wanted to see if it got me more GFE if I smelled manly instead of scented. When Poy asked why I told her I was advised soap was bad for skin. She's said that she also knew all along that the soap and hygiene industry was all a scam anyways.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2137666]The other night I was in a taxi headed to Nana and saw two girls standing around near the Landmark / Motorola building on Sukhumvit near Soi 4. I think that's also where I often see the old Russian lady that yells "short time" to every male passerby. I asked the taxi to stop so I can check them out personally, but there were cars behind us, so he could not. He eventually stopped at the Majestic Hotel and back tracked towards the girls. By then they were not there anymore. I saw them coming down the overpass to the other side Soi 7 and then head down the Soi. My gut told me that they were headed to probably Beer Garden on Soi 7. I was too lazy to follow, so I headed to Nana. This was around 10 pm. So I made a point to check out Beer Garden again the next time.

The next night I went to Beer Garden and look who I found. One of the girls from the night before. Her name is Poy. She's, 24,5'4 and less than 110? We made some small chat and she told me she and her friend often stand at that spot until the crazy Russian lady comes. Long story short, we agreed on LT for 1500. We then left to go to Ratchada Soi 4 to grab some food and hang out Hollywood. Afterwards she booked a nearby room because my condo was chaotic from packing for my trip to Pattaya. In the hotel room, I decided to take the advice of a fellow member on here and not use soap to shower. I wanted to see if it got me more GFE if I smelled manly instead of scented. When Poy asked why I told her I was advised soap was bad for skin. She's said that she also knew all along that the soap and hygiene industry was all a scam anyways. We clicked like two peas in a pod. Services included GFE, lots of kissing, BBBJ, and BBFS. She's was champ! Swapped out LINE ID and now I'm headed to Pattaya. Monkeypaw 2 paws up![/QUOTE]1500 for LT, is that the going rate in Beer Garden or did you get lucky? Maybe I should buy more than a beer next time I'm there!

Hung out at Thaniya road tonight. I couldn't believe this was the same place I visited a couple months ago. Tons of girls everywhere. Many young. Many thin. Better than thermae tonight. People say Japanese only. Don't believe that. If you are physically appealing to the girls and have some charm you can take them. Bring cash. This is not a place for cheap Charlies looking to buy 1 drink.

Please explain Thaniya girls. I just don't see the volume of customers. Same as anywhere else-a few very pretty girls, most others not so much. How do they make money?

[QUOTE=TommySnap;2137881]1500 for LT, is that the going rate in Beer Garden or did you get lucky? Maybe I should buy more than a beer next time I'm there![/QUOTE]Let not the price paid be deceiving. Unattractive types go for 1500. Its just the world of prostitutes. Pretend you were a prostitute-what reasons would go go downscale on rates other than that's your market price. Or are you the hot girl who gives handsome boy discounts. Or are you that hard up for sex with a stranger you give the horny Thai girl discount. Or are you the I'm not in prostitution for the money.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2137666]The other night I was in a taxi headed to Nana and saw two girls standing around near the Landmark / Motorola building on Sukhumvit near Soi 4. I think that's also where I often see the old Russian lady that yells "short time" to every male passerby. I asked the taxi to stop so I can check them out personally, but there were cars behind us, so he could not. He eventually stopped at the Majestic Hotel and back tracked towards the girls. By then they were not there anymore. I saw them coming down the overpass to the other side Soi 7 and then head down the Soi. My gut told me that they were headed to probably Beer Garden on Soi 7. I was too lazy to follow, so I headed to Nana. This was around 10 pm. So I made a point to check out Beer Garden again the next time.

The next night I went to Beer Garden and look who I found. One of the girls from the night before. Her name is Poy. She's, 24,5'4 and less than 110? We made some small chat and she told me she and her friend often stand at that spot until the crazy Russian lady comes. Long story short, we agreed on LT for 1500. We then left to go to Ratchada Soi 4 to grab some food and hang out Hollywood. Afterwards she booked a nearby room because my condo was chaotic from packing for my trip to Pattaya. In the hotel room, I decided to take the advice of a fellow member on here and not use soap to shower. I wanted to see if it got me more GFE if I smelled manly instead of scented. When Poy asked why I told her I was advised soap was bad for skin. She's said that she also knew all along that the soap and hygiene industry was all a scam anyways. We clicked like two peas in a pod. Services included GFE, lots of kissing, BBBJ, and BBFS. She's was champ! Swapped out LINE ID and now I'm headed to Pattaya. Monkeypaw 2 paws up![/QUOTE]This is similar to my several experiences. Many aldies there are around or over 401 but have still a very good body, are extremely friendly, sit with you to chat, you are free to go with or not, they will keep cool. And in bed, it is with these ladies I made the best experiences, and by far! Had 2 youngetrs from Thermae: cold fishes. What means a young firm body when they don't know how to do a BJ? Had also a more private lady by Thaicupid, also a very good session. Through my various visits in BKK during the last 2 years, mature ladies have been without contest my best experiences. They are even more open-minded than the young, supposedly sexy girlies who almost never do CIM, for example. OK, maybe the "older" ones do it because of concurrence of younger ones and to be taken. Whatever, yes for me Beergarden is my reference and I like the relaxed atmosphere, no hassle. Soon be there again!

On several videos from Patpong on Youtube (ex angel-tours) I have ssen bunches of girls sitting in groups on chairs ont he side of the street and a kind of mamasan standing there. Are these girls going with clients or are they KTV girls? What type of girls are they?

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2137272]I made sure to get the girl I wanted -- just have to be a bit forceful on that.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2089565]2 the time in four days in I stopped by lollipop1 and they only had two ugly girls even by BJ bar standards so I decided to try SOM Haven and man they had so many girls there they could have staffed a GO GO bar. Took the girl that was next in the cue and she did the job expertly without complaining. Asked her why there were so many girls there and she said it was the usual but whatever it worked for me. Soi 7-1 seems to be on its last leg or is certainly on the decline which may explains why some of those girls are so pissy. There used to be a festive atmosphere when I would venture down this Soi in the past but its just not the same. They also closed one of my fav massage shop there. Lolit@s and Kasalong also had a good selection out front.[/QUOTE]

My compiled BJ bar info:

2 the time in four days in I stopped by lollipop1 and they only had two ugly girls even by BJ bar standards so I decided to try SOM Haven and man they had so many girls there they could have staffed a GO GO bar. Took the girl that was next in the cue and she did the job expertly without complaining. Asked her why there were so many girls there and she said it was the usual but whatever it worked for me. Soi 7-1 seems to be on its last leg or is certainly on the decline which may explains why some of those girls are so pissy. There used to be a festive atmosphere when I would venture down this Soi in the past but its just not the same. They also closed one of my fav massage shop there. Lolit at s and Kasalong also had a good selection out front.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2089565&viewfull=1#post40303.[/URL]#

I was wondering where I saw this gem before, then is occurred to me that I wrote it and you plagiarized it from report #40303. Come on, write your own reports or give credit when you use someone else's information.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2137980][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2089565&viewfull=1#post40303.[/URL]#

I was wondering where I saw this gem before, then is occurred to me that I wrote it and you plagiarized it from report #40303. Come on, write your own reports or give credit when you use someone else's information.[/QUOTE]Its possible your post was supposed to be in quotes and he didn't put the quote tags around it.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2137980][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2089565&viewfull=1#post40303.[/URL]#

I was wondering where I saw this gem before, then is occurred to me that I wrote it and you plagiarized it from report #40303. Come on, write your own reports or give credit when you use someone else's information.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I saw the same thing in his/her report:

[QUOTE]The best lookers I have seen will be working the day shift at Kasalong Bar. Unless they are busy inside with customers, the better looking ones generally congregate together at the table right next to the passage between Kasalong Bar and L0 lita's Bar.[/QUOTE]That is a direct lift from one of my posts of a few weeks or maybe a couple of months ago (too lazy to search for it now). He didn't even bother to change the way I usually type L0 lita's Bar to work around the censoring program here to match the way he types it elsewhere in his report. lol. I noticed it right away but didn't mention it because it wasn't that big a deal. But now that you have pointed out he just copied and pasted passages from your posts as well, hmmmm.

Actually, I amended that observation about the best lookers at the local BJ Bars being in the day shift at Kasalong Bar a while later after a couple of the better looking ones went missing for a few weeks. I wonder if I will see that more recent observation showing up in a subsequent UsaInEurope report. lol.

LATE EDIT: I now see he used the words "compiled info". Ok, maybe he just meant to say this was info he had read from other posters and "compiled" it into what only looks like first hand observations of his. Could be. In that case, he needs to update my later observation about some of the better lookers at Kasalong Bar's day shift no longer working there. lol.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2138005]Its possible your post was supposed to be in quotes and he didn't put the quote tags around it.[/QUOTE]But he was representing it as his report, not comments or agreements with observations from other reports. As you see in my post below, he copied and pasted a bit from an earlier post of mine too. Maybe all of it was copied and pasted from other posters and we just haven't all bothered to mention it yet.

LATE EDIT: I now see he used the words "compiled info". Ok, maybe he just meant to say this was info he had read from other posters and "compiled" it into what only looks like first hand observations of his. Could be.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2138046]Yeah, I saw the same thing in his/her report:

That is a direct lift from one of my posts of a few weeks or maybe a couple of months ago (too lazy to search for it now). He didn't even bother to change the way I usually type L0 lita's Bar to work around the censoring program here to match the way he types it elsewhere in his report. lol. I noticed it right away but didn't mention it because it wasn't that big a deal. But now that you have pointed out he just copied and pasted passages from your posts as well, hmmmm.

Actually, I amended that observation about the best lookers at the local BJ Bars being in the day shift at Kasalong Bar a while later after a couple of the better looking ones went missing for a few weeks. I wonder if I will see that more recent observation showing up in a subsequent UsaInEurope report. lol.

LATE EDIT: I now see he used the words "compiled info". Ok, maybe he just meant to say this was info he had read from other posters and "compiled" it into what only looks like first hand observations of his. Could be. In that case, he needs to update my later observation about some of the better lookers at Kasalong Bar's day shift no longer working there. lol.[/QUOTE]Its certainly not a big deal but it is odd to see it being done the way he does it as I'm accustomed to seeing info from other posters being properly credited to them and not presented as someone else's. Compiling information is also fine but when you include someone's else play by play as your own its bad form.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2138072]Its certainly not a big deal but it is odd to see it being done the way he does it as I'm accustomed to seeing info from other posters being properly credited to them and not presented as someone else's. Compiling information is also fine but when you include someone's else play by play as your own its bad form.[/QUOTE]Yes, the repeated use of terms like "My" and "I" works against the set up that it might only be other posters' observations and experiences compiled by the poster rather than his own. And that doesn't mean that what is copied and pasted doesn't also precisely jibe with the poster's own current observations and experiences either. That might be someone's method of getting the same point across in a more grammatically correct way if English is not their first language, that they are actually agreeing with what was said by someone else but aren't sure how to say it any clearer in English. So they just copy and paste it as is. Not really a big deal since it isn't as though I formed a unique way of crafting a sentence that deserves copyright protection or something. LOL.

However, unless it is made clear that each passage is a quote from someone else so disregard terms like "My" and "I" or that they are comments made by others that the poster happens to agree with, it is going to raise questions, not least of them being if there is anything remotely accurate about those observations anymore after the passage of weeks or months.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2138048]But he was representing it as his report, not comments or agreements with observations from other reports. As you see in my post below, he copied and pasted a bit from an earlier post of mine too. Maybe all of it was copied and pasted from other posters and we just haven't all bothered to mention it yet.

LATE EDIT: I now see he used the words "compiled info". Ok, maybe he just meant to say this was info he had read from other posters and "compiled" it into what only looks like first hand observations of his. Could be.[/QUOTE]I understand that posters whose info was used would be upset by this. However I think this is a result of a mistake in quoting "compiled info. " I don't think anybody really tried to pass others' info as his own.

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2137976]On several videos from Patpong on Youtube (ex angel-tours) I have ssen bunches of girls sitting in groups on chairs ont he side of the street and a kind of mamasan standing there. Are these girls going with clients or are they KTV girls? What type of girls are they?[/QUOTE]Japanese KTV. Be prepared to spend like the Japanese. KTV Room fee, drinks for girls per hour, tip for girl per hour, mamasan tip, your drinks, and if the girls choose to let you take them out. Usually 5,000 does the trick. It's not a place you can walk in and grab a girl and go short time. Most of these girls do their hair and make up like the Japanese like it. I've been a couple of times inside these KTVs and even grabbed a couple of girls for LT. Had to spend about 4-5000 just for the room, drinks, and tips. I'm not Japanese, but I'm Asian and that helps. No Cheapie Charlies wanted. Be careful of the street touts. They will just hustle Westerners who think it's privilege to bang one of these Thaniya girls to a nearby sex massage place. Those are just regular girls working towards the end of Soi Thaniya. Their hair and make up is all different, but Westerners don't pay attention. They just think they got a Thaniya girl and then go brag about it. Funny I think.

Stopped in Crazy House on Soi 23 about 10:30 PM last night. Haven't been there in a few weeks. I had heard there was an occasional 100 baht entrance fee being charged here and saw a group of Caucasian guys with a couple of Caucasian girls standing at the doorway interacting with the door man so thought that was happening. But I saw no money exchanged before they went in so that wasn't it. No charge for me either. Line up was just ok, helped as usual by the fact that the girls were fully naked. The place was about half full and there were many more Caucasian ladies in there with their men than I have seen before. At one point they dimmed the lights and started the ugly girl pussy show. Maybe that is why men are bringing their regular dates and girlfriends there; to see this special show where certain girls pull stuff out of their pussies and shoot darts out of them to pop overhead balloons.

I would have thought the whole reason to have those shows is to sell more drinks and discourage barfining, a trend I had always felt Crazy House was heading for; I can't think of many things more likely to turn me off and change my mind about having sex with anyone in a bar and need a drink badly than to watch those fat and weird looking girls pull junk out of their pussies and shoot darts up into the air with them. However, the strange thing this night was I was able to sit in a stool against the wall near the main stage with server after server passing me by and not be asked to buy a drink for about a half hour before the show began. The only reason I had to buy a drink was a young dancer with a better than most body approached me, began rubbing her body between my legs and I decided to keep her a bit and maybe buy her a Lady Drink. It even took her two requests to get a server to take our order. Weird. Of course, this being Crazy House, I specified that I would be happy to buy her ONE Lady Drink for now, not two as in the ol' non-existent "Tequila and Coke" cocktail scam that is actually a two drink order this place loves to pull.

She was very lovey-dovey and kissy with me. Her lips and tongue felt great. Then she asked if I wanted to take her for Short Time. I said maybe. She asked what I wanted to do tonight. Good question, I thought, so I told her. But it was "No" to finishing a BJ like a BJ (orally) instead of as a HJ and "No" to BBFS. And that was fine, always up to the girl, but I'll pass. She then launched into a more in depth explanation about why she said "No" to both, citing the topics of death, disease, destruction of humanity, etc. I gently stopped her and said she didn't have to give me a reason for saying "No" to me for anything, I love her anyway. She shut up then. It was nice of her to tell me the truth rather than lie about finishing the BJ properly as many do. However, it did take more than a couple of passes by the concept of "IN the mouth", not "NEXT to the mouth" to get the truth out of her. I did tip her 100 baht for her time and attention to me rather than buy her a second Lady Drink earlier. Again, that was her choice.

I moved on down Soi Cowboy and the non-barfinable Coyote scammers were in full force. Actually, they behaved more desperate than usual to drag me into their scammer bar to buy them a Lady Drink with no chance whatever of having sex with them last night. Not surprising since there seemed to be so few tourists walking the soi. One non pantyhose wearing girl tried to drag me into Midnight, assured me she wasn't a Coyote and that she would go barfine with me and I was kind of tempted to go in with her. But not enough to bother.

Stopped in to Crazy Cats bar for the first time. Very small bar inside but seemed to have a lot of dancers onstage and girls sitting around outside. And there were also many more drinking customers inside than I would have predicted. After I ordered my drink I noticed that virtually every girl in the place was wearing pantyhose, in my opinion about a 90% certain sign the girl does not do barfine take-out with customers. Sure enough, one of the girls made a beeline for me, plopped herself down next to me, began rubbing my leg and, after asking her three times if she is available for barfine and going for ST with a customer, she finally admitted that "No", she does not. I asked if that was true of all the girls wearing pantyhose in this bar and she just smiled and said she had to go outside for now. LOL.

As soon as she left my side a male server stopped by to see if I wanted to buy any of the ladies onstage a Lady Drink. So I asked him why they all wear pantyhose and do any of the girls here go barfine. He acted like he'd never heard the word "barfine" before, didn't have a clue what I was talking about. Lolol. Ok, I'm out of here. Paid up and left.

On the way out, I checked my Line account and there was a message from a lovely, slender, beautifully well-proportioned and sweet faced 29 year old ex go-go bar dancer freelancer I have now seen two other times but hadn't seen for a while, asking if she could meet me at my apartment tonight. Yes. I met her in front of my building about 15 minutes later and had a fantastic, fully genuine and REAL GFE in every oral and penile-vaginal way I wanted and with the exact right attitude for the next 2 hours or so and I rewarded her with the usual 1,500 baht I'd paid her before with an additional 40 baht for taxi. She could not have been more grateful and loving in my room and on the way out.

[QUOTE=TommySnap;2137881]1500 for LT, is that the going rate in Beer Garden or did you get lucky? Maybe I should buy more than a beer next time I'm there![/QUOTE]No, it's not. Well, maybe for the 40+ ladies who work there but certainly not for a good looking and young girl like that. So I guess it's just another BS story.

He also said he got BBFS, which is strange because he has said before that he is not interested in that.

I don't want to feed a troll but unfortunately we cannot completely ignore him because his posts are very misleading.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2138140]

He also said he got BBFS, which is strange because he has said before that he is not interested in that.

I don't want to feed a troll but unfortunately we cannot completely ignore him because his posts are very misleading.[/QUOTE]Yes, he used to denigrate the whole idea of BBFS and even CIM, trashing them as something only a sicko pervert would expect from a girl since he apparently hadn't ever experienced such things with the spoiled, overpriced girls he was proudly paying thousands and thousands of baht to pose for his camera. But after some of us pointed out it wouldn't require much "game" to get so little actual sex at or below the most basic standard fare for that kind of money and maybe he ought to try more traditional routes to find girls who don't already see themselves as Victoria's Secret models if he wanted to enjoy real sex for a change, his stories began to be peppered with claims of BBFS and CIM and wild, extended sessions for almost no money at all. LOL. It was shortly after that he put me on Ignore for gently suggesting his reports seemed to have been written by someone who has never engaged in a Thai P4P experience in some of the usual venues.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2138125]I had heard there was an occasional 100 baht entrance fee being charged here and saw a group of Caucasian guys with a couple of Caucasian girls standing at the doorway interacting with the door man so thought that was happening. [/QUOTE]I went there on Thursday and was charged anything to go in. I only stayed a few minutes as I was just too drunk to enjoy. Tried to go back on Friday with a Nepalese friend but the bouncer asked if he was Indian. I said "No, he's Nepalese", to which the bouncer responded "No Indians, no Nepalese" but said I could go in. Obviously I didn't.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2138125]Of course, this being Crazy House, I specified that I would be happy to buy her ONE Lady Drink for now, not two as in the ol' non-existent "Tequila and Coke" cocktail scam that is actually a two drink order this place loves to pull. [/QUOTE]Not just crazy house, Afterskool do this as well. I hadn't noticed it before so I can't say whether it is new or not, usually I just pay the bill without looking too closely, especially if I've been there a while and have a bit of an idea of what it should be.

Regarding the non-existent "Tequila and Coke" cocktail the girls ask for that is, of course, just a scam to get you to buy them two Lady Drinks at the same time instead of just one at a time:

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2138151]

Not just crazy house, Afterskool do this as well. I hadn't noticed it before so I can't say whether it is new or not, usually I just pay the bill without looking too closely, especially if I've been there a while and have a bit of an idea of what it should be.[/QUOTE]I also reported a few weeks ago that girls in Billboard go-go bar in Nana Plaza are pulling this scam every now and then, too. Hard to tell anymore which bars or girls do try to pull it because, as some of us who read and post here and elsewhere become aware of it, I think we are starting to specify that we will buy the girl "ONE" Lady Drink each time the subject of buying a Lady Drink is initially brought up in the bars so we essentially nip the scam in the bud before it is even tried. I know I do. It's just easier that way. It is harder and more of an uncomfortable hassle to unravel it later. But in pre-empting the effort, we don't really know if they would have tried to pull the scam or not. Clever scams like that kind of catch fire and start to show up in many places, like the "one bad apple spoils the bunch" saying on steroids.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2138153]Regarding the non-existent "Tequila and Coke" cocktail the girls ask for that is, of course, just a scam to get you to buy them two Lady Drinks at the same time instead of just one at a time:[/QUOTE]Yeah, Afterskool was tequila and sprite / coke but charged as two lady drinks. 120 for the tequila and 100 for the soft drink, if I remember correctly.

Unfortunately, despite the warnings here, the last time I was in Bangkok I was hit several times. I usually ask in the beginning how much is the drink the girl is ordering. However, I forget the next time and they slip the 2 drinks in. In a way, I don't want to act cheap and keep asking how much each drink costs. Though that would be wiser, even if each time it was Crazy House several weeks apart.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2138151]Not just crazy house, Afterskool do this as well. I hadn't noticed it before so I can't say whether it is new or not, usually I just pay the bill without looking too closely, especially if I've been there a while and have a bit of an idea of what it should be.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=EihTooms;2138153]Regarding the non-existent "Tequila and Coke" cocktail the girls ask for that is, of course, just a scam to get you to buy them two Lady Drinks at the same time instead of just one at a time:

I also reported a few weeks ago that girls in Billboard go-go bar in Nana Plaza are pulling this scam every now and then, too. Hard to tell anymore which bars or girls do try to pull it because, as some of us who read and post here and elsewhere become aware of it, I think we are starting to specify that we will buy the girl "ONE" Lady Drink each time the subject of buying a Lady Drink is initially brought up in the bars so we essentially nip the scam in the bud before it is even tried. I know I do. It's just easier that way. It is harder and more of an uncomfortable hassle to unravel it later. But in pre-empting the effort, we don't really know if they would have tried to pull the scam or not. Clever scams like that kind of catch fire and start to show up in many places, like the "one bad apple spoils the bunch" saying on steroids.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2138258]Yeah, Afterskool was tequila and sprite / coke but charged as two lady drinks. 120 for the tequila and 100 for the soft drink, if I remember correctly.[/QUOTE]Only 220 baht? That's cheap enough that I wouldn't complain. I believe it was over 300 baht at Crazy House.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2138276]Only 220 baht? That's cheap enough that I wouldn't complain. I believe it was over 300 baht at Crazy House.[/QUOTE]My lady drinks alone were 220 baht at king's castle 2 last night. My girl milked her drink pretty good though so the damage was minimal. Her tongue preferred being down my throat rather than sipping on her 'alcoholic' drink.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2138316]My lady drinks alone were 220 baht at king's castle 2 last night. My girl milked her drink pretty good though so the damage was minimal. Her tongue preferred being down my throat rather than sipping on her 'alcoholic' drink.[/QUOTE]So your just going to leave it at that? How much was the barfine and what did she want for ST or LT?

Hi,

Can any body suggest some MSG parlours, in these area, which specialises in anal, etc. Are two shots standard or only one.

Will be trying to hit at least 2 msg parlors.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2138125]Of course, this being Crazy House, I specified that I would be happy to buy her ONE Lady Drink for now, not two as in the ol' non-existent "Tequila and Coke" cocktail scam that is actually a two drink order this place loves to pull.[/QUOTE]I haven't been to Crazy House for a while (last time was in June last year I believe) but you always had to sign a bill every time you ordered (lady) drinks there, to confirm that you agreed with the specified prices. Are they not doing this anymore?

[QUOTE=Deshpander;2138566]Hi,

Can any body suggest some MSG parlours, in these area, which specialises in anal, etc. Are two shots standard or only one.
[/QUOTE]For anal in Phrom Phong Snow White is your best bet then Mango and Cherry. Multishot included.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2138749]I haven't been to Crazy House for a while (last time was in June last year I believe) but you always had to sign a bill every time you ordered (lady) drinks there, to confirm that you agreed with the specified prices. Are they not doing this anymore?[/QUOTE]Yes, you still need to sign the bill if you're going to run a tab or, if not, pay after each drink order. Of course, the server has already delivered your drink and the girl's "tequila and coke" two Lady Drinks by then if that is what she ordered. But you could balk at that point and I suppose the server would have to take one of the Lady Drinks back and re-write the bill.

I Went to Poseidon today with a friend. The place has gone downhill very much. Avoid this place!

We had a lineup of about 20 girls, not a single one beautiful or above average. 5 or 6 were just ugly. 5 or 6 looked bored and uninterested, not even taking their eyes off their smartphones as we were choosing them. My wingman and I chose the least unattractive ones.

We paid 3300 bath for each girl. We chose a VIP room for each couple, an extra 400 bath. Payable in advance. Monger friends, please excuse me if I paid too much, but this is my first time in Thailand, we had just a litle time between business meetings, and I wanted a top level service.

In the room with my girl, things started to go wrong immediately. She did not let me touch her until she had prepared the room and the foam bath. At least 20 minutes, maybe more. Then she proceeded to clean me with soap even if I protested that I had taken a shower just before coming. Obviously trying to minimize her intimate time with me. OK, I agreed.

I proposed her to do some sauna together, and she refused arguing that she did not like it. After a thorough mutual mouthwash, I tried to kiss her and she refused, so I did not insist.

She then started the blowjob (not covered), just licking and sucking the tip of my penis. I motioned her to get deeper and she refused, 2 or 3 times. I tried to gently pull her by the back of her neck to come and suck me deeper, and she violently jerked backwards, complaining that I hurt her and that she was in pain. I apologized.

Then she proceeded to lick my nipples in a mechanical manner.

As she was sucking me, I reached for her pussy and tried to caress it. She pulled backwards so that I could not even touch it!

So I put an end to this miserable blowjob, and proceeded to take her in the missionary position. As I tried to kiss her neck or ears, she complained that I could not do this. So I turned her over and took her doggy style. She complained that my dick was too big and that it was hurting her. So I took her sideways. I tried to gently bite her shoulders and kiss her neck and again she complained.

I got fed up, and I told her to pack up and go. We were about in the middle of the hour and a half session. She was shocked, and obviously ashamed that a customer would kick her out before the end of the session. She packed her things very slowly, and I had to tell her several times to hurry up, as I wanted to enjoy the sauna.

Five minutes after she had left, the stupid doorman entered my room without even knocking on the door (there are no locks). As I was naked in front of him, so I pushed him out and closed the door. The bastard opened the door again without any respect for my privacy! So I pushed him out again complaining loudly of his behavior. Remember friends that I was in a VIP room. I banged the door closed in disapproval and he shouted some bad words at me that I did not understand. So I packed up and went downstairs to wait for my friend.

Once downstairs, in the entrance lobby, the doorman told me "sit here! I answered that I was not a dog, and that I preferred to stay standing up close to the lobby bar. He barked at me again and I answered back in return.

Then the Mamasan came, telling me that I had done violence to the girl, that she was afraid of me and that she was crying. The girl accused me of trying to choke her! I answered that this were lies, that I had actually treated the girl very gently (I am always very gentle with girls, hoping that I can get better service in return). Instead of trying to understand my point of view, the Mamasan just tried to accuse me.

At this moment, my partner arrived in the lobby. He was lucky to have had a better session than mine, but still quite mediocre. It was quite a disappointment for my friend too, as he previously had much better experiences in Thailand.

As a conclusion and advice to fellow mongers: please take off Poseidon from your list of places to go. It is one of the worst places I have been in my long monger career (see my old posts).

Regards to all.

PS. Same post in the "Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!", as it is relevant for both threads.

[QUOTE=BimboBoy;2138827]I Went to Poseidon today with a friend. The place has gone downhill very much. Avoid this place!...In the room with my girl, things started to go wrong immediately. She did not let me touch her until she had prepared the room and the foam bath. At least 20 minutes, maybe more. Then she proceeded to clean me with soap even if I protested that I had taken a shower just before coming. Obviously trying to minimize her intimate time with me. OK, I agreed..[/QUOTE]I think you waited a bit too long to cut it short. Girl starts doing that you get dressed and walk out. You should have told them you wanted another girl. Follow this rule in any situation, if its not looking good in the first few minutes bail. I've done it all over the world in different situations. 20 minutes to prepare the bath? I would have walked out in 3 minutes.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2138888]I think you waited a bit too long to cut it short. Girl starts doing that you get dressed and walk out. You should have told them you wanted another girl. Follow this rule in any situation, if its not looking good in the first few minutes bail. I've done it all over the world in different situations. 20 minutes to prepare the bath? I would have walked out in 3 minutes.[/QUOTE]Haha! You are right! I will do this next time.

Guys,

I'm visiting Thailand this month please suggest a cheap accommodation and how to book it. Its kinda urgent so need all inputs. I'm flying from India late February.

Thanks and regards.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2138786]But you could balk at that point and I suppose the server would have to take one of the Lady Drinks back and re-write the bill.[/QUOTE]Be prepared for at least a one hour wait for them to take that off the bill and a lot of hassle.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2138888]I think you waited a bit too long to cut it short. Girl starts doing that you get dressed and walk out. You should have told them you wanted another girl. Follow this rule in any situation, if its not looking good in the first few minutes bail. I've done it all over the world in different situations. 20 minutes to prepare the bath? I would have walked out in 3 minutes.[/QUOTE]Better yet, call the mamasan or papasan to the room. Then you are in a more favorable position. The gal then has to explain herself in front of you.

[QUOTE=BimboBoy;2138827]
5 or 6 looked bored and uninterested, not even taking their eyes off their smartphones as we were choosing them. [/QUOTE]I would have left at this point already. It's a bad sign anywhere.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2139122]I would have left at this point already. It's a bad sign anywhere.[/QUOTE]Vote with your feet.

I would rather pull my dick in front of a porno than waste any $ on these thieves. Your (desperate) VMD.

[QUOTE=BimboBoy;2138827]I tried to kiss her and she refused, so I did not insist.

She then started the blowjob (not covered), just licking and sucking the tip of my penis. I motioned her to get deeper and she refused, 2 or 3 times. I tried to gently pull her by the back of her neck to come and suck me deeper, and she violently jerked backwards, complaining that I hurt her and that she was in pain. I apologized.

Then she proceeded to lick my nipples in a mechanical manner.

As she was sucking me, I reached for her pussy and tried to caress it. She pulled backwards so that I could not even touch it!

So I put an end to this miserable blowjob, and proceeded to take her in the missionary position. As I tried to kiss her neck or ears, she complained that I could not do this. So I turned her over and took her doggy style. She complained that my dick was too big and that it was hurting her. So I took her sideways. I tried to gently bite her shoulders and kiss her neck and again she complained.

I got fed up, and I told her to pack up and go. [/QUOTE]I could do a copy / paste of this to describe a typical session at Hotel Classic in Jakarta. That's why I never go there even though it's only 25 bucks for an hour session.

I've had some good girls at Poseidon though. Considering you paid over 100 bucks for the Hotel Classic treatment, truly bad luck.

Never go with a girl you haven't spoken to about her services. If you see a girl you like, ask to speak to her. If they say you can't, walk out of the place. If she does come to talk to you, ask about her services and whether she provides what you want. If she says she does, have her confirm it in front of the papasan or mamasan so you have grounds to complain if she reneges. If she does not provide what you want, send her back and either ask for another girl and do the same procedure or leave. You will save a lot of time, money, and frustration by doing this.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2139205]I could do a copy / paste of this to describe a typical session at Hotel Classic in Jakarta. That's why I never go there even though it's only 25 bucks for an hour session.

I've had some good girls at Poseidon though. Considering you paid over 100 bucks for the Hotel Classic treatment, truly bad luck.[/QUOTE]Hi Smoothie.

I think that it is not bad luck. It is systemic.

The root cause is bad management. It is the same in all businesses. If management cares, then employees will follow.

So it it not an accident, and more clients will have bad experiences.

Regards.

Today, as my taxi was driving me to the airport, we passed by a number of small massage saloons very close to Shangri La hotel. The girls were smiling and looked nice. Not top models, but simple nice girls. I will go to explore this area next time. The experience will be probably cheaper and nicer! I can't tell the street name unfortunately.

Had a similar poor experience at Poseidon a few years ago. Took a look at the fish-bowl, didn't like what I saw and went upstairs where the models / side-girls (were. The mamasan kept insisting that they were stand-outs even though most of them where dogs and tried to rush me but I resisted and went back downstairs to the fish-bowl. After some time, I picked a reasonably pretty girl quietly sitting by herself at the back. She took ages to run the bath, same with her massage and was very passive during sex but at least didn't rush me. Paid up and went to Lords down the road the next day and had a much better experience. It's been my go-to place for soapies since even though it's more expensive than others because of the beautiful girls, clean rooms and the right, cheerful attitude (I still remember looking into the face of the drop-dead gorgeous girl I had last time while she was going "Mo pawa, mo pawa", me obliging and banging away in missionary to the point of having my arteries nearly burst! I can't remember a bad experience there.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2139213]Never go with a girl you haven't spoken to about her services. If you see a girl you like, ask to speak to her. If they say you can't, walk out of the place. If she does come to talk to you, ask about her services and whether she provides what you want. If she says she does, have her confirm it in front of the papasan or mamasan so you have grounds to complain if she reneges. If she does not provide what you want, send her back and either ask for another girl and do the same procedure or leave. You will save a lot of time, money, and frustration by doing this.[/QUOTE]Well, I've got to ask this question because I have always wondered about these "confirm it in front of the papasan or mamasan" recommendations for these kinds of venues when it comes to the Big One. What if the service you want is the Big One, otherwise known as BBFS? Have you done what you recommend when the service you want from the girl is BBFS? I have certainly gotten girls to agree to BBFS when I disengage them from their co-workers and/or the mamasans and papasans to ask them more discretely in places like go-go bars. But I have never made the move you mention of calling over the mamasan or the papasan to make sure they are witness to this agreement.

I have read recommendations like this for decades on websites like ISG; "Never be shy about asking for what you want with these girls, the mamasans and papasans. They can't be shocked. They have heard it all!" Really? Ok, so now I ask if you or anyone else reading this has ever done what you said or know anyone else who has done what you said in a place like Poseidon and The Lord when the service wanted and negotiating for is BBFS? If so, what happened? How did the girl react when you called over the mamasan or papasan to hear what she just agreed to do? Or are all of these ultra experienced-based recommendations I have read over the years really only about "almost anything" and not really about "anything", after all?

I decided to make my first trip here to Thailand after reading this forum. I am a black man from America who own his own business and home which allows me to travel abroad three or four times a year. My first night here I start where I could be most comfortable so I went to Sugar nightclub which I liked but not the talent in the club. I went down to levels nightclub where I had women smiles and was interested in me but they were thirties type that I was not looking for. I tried approaching the younger spinners with no success so did not want to settle so called it a night. The reason I mentioned own business and home And being a black man will clarify in next post.

This my third day here in Bangkok I decided to get a massage with no expectations of extras. She was cute mid thirties just wanted to relax before I rested up to give Crazyhorse a go since a lot of members speak highly of the bar. During the massage which was ok she kept accidentally rubbing her hand up to far saying sorry so I was going to wait until near I knew she would finish the massage and ask how much. She quoted 3000 I countered 1500 plus 300 for the massage. She said yes so quick I felt like I could have got a better deal BBHJ was ok then put her in to a couple position before I released. She was nice and I would repeat with her. Staying at Fraser Suites the massage parlor is the first massage parlor to the left next to the 7'11 they wear black. I took a nap then headed to Crazyhorse at 12. There were four Asian men walking in in front of me and then he stuck his hand out and said you buy beer first. I read on here how Indians are treated at some of the bars but I have never felt that kind of disrespect in my life and I was born in 1969. There was no way I was going in there spending one dime so I caught a cab back to soi 11 to see that the Thai police closed all the bars at 1 am. That's the end to the third day. Going to Pattaya tomorrow hope my experience will be better.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2139287]Well, I've got to ask this question because I have always wondered about these "confirm it in front of the papasan or mamasan" recommendations for these kinds of venues when it comes to the Big One. What if the service you want is the Big One, otherwise known as BBFS? Have you done what you recommend when the service you want from the girl is BBFS? I have certainly gotten girls to agree to BBFS when I disengage them from their co-workers and/or the mamasans and papasans to ask them more discretely in places like go-go bars. But I have never made the move you mention of calling over the mamasan or the papasan to make sure they are witness to this agreement.

I have read recommendations like this for decades on websites like ISG; "Never be shy about asking for what you want with these girls, the mamasans and papasans. They can't be shocked. They have heard it all!" Really? Ok, so now I ask if you or anyone else reading this has ever done what you said or know anyone else who has done what you said in a place like Poseidon and The Lord when the service wanted and negotiating for is BBFS? If so, what happened? How did the girl react when you called over the mamasan or papasan to hear what she just agreed to do? Or are all of these ultra experienced-based recommendations I have read over the years really only about "almost anything" and not really about "anything", after all?[/QUOTE]Asking for BBFS in front of the mamasan or papasan is probably the one thing guaranteed to get you kicked out of the place. I've never asked for that up front, leaving it up to the girl to decide if she wants to do BBFS, depending on how turned on I can get her.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2139287]Well, I've got to ask this question because I have always wondered about these "confirm it in front of the papasan or mamasan" recommendations for these kinds of venues when it comes to the Big One. What if the service you want is the Big One, otherwise known as BBFS? Have you done what you recommend when the service you want from the girl is BBFS? I have certainly gotten girls to agree to BBFS when I disengage them from their co-workers and/or the mamasans and papasans to ask them more discretely in places like go-go bars. But I have never made the move you mention of calling over the mamasan or the papasan to make sure they are witness to this agreement.

I have read recommendations like this for decades on websites like ISG; "Never be shy about asking for what you want with these girls, the mamasans and papasans. They can't be shocked. They have heard it all!" Really? Ok, so now I ask if you or anyone else reading this has ever done what you said or know anyone else who has done what you said in a place like Poseidon and The Lord when the service wanted and negotiating for is BBFS? If so, what happened? How did the girl react when you called over the mamasan or papasan to hear what she just agreed to do? Or are all of these ultra experienced-based recommendations I have read over the years really only about "almost anything" and not really about "anything", after all?[/QUOTE]If you are NOT a regular of any soapy massage parlor and you don't know the girl for a long time, there is no girl who will do BBFS or CIM + SW in any soapy massage parlor of Bangkok.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2139375]Asking for BBFS in front of the mamasan or papasan is probably the one thing guaranteed to get you kicked out of the place. I've never asked for that up front, leaving it up to the girl to decide if she wants to do BBFS, depending on how turned on I can get her.[/QUOTE]Ok, thank you and UShobbyest for your replies. I had always suspected this often stated bit about "Never be shy about telling the girls and the mamasans/papasans exactly what you want. They can't be shocked. They've heard it all before!" and further recommendations to "Always get the girl to repeat what she has agreed to in front of the mamasan/papasan so there is no confusion" was only referring to what is already standard basic fare generally listed on menus or openly discussed by virtually everyone in those venues anyway. Certainly nothing there anyone could be shocked about.

And, as I always assumed, it is not advisable for anyone to drag a mamasan/papasan or anyone else into the negotiation between you and the girl regarding BBFS.

Then again, as long as we're only talking about the very tame services that couldn't possibly shock or upset anyone and that are routinely on the agenda even if you say mothing about it beforehand, why go through the process of discussing it twice, once alone with the girl and then getting her to repeat the agreement in front of a mamasan/papasan? That seems like something you would only need to do IF you were asking for something extraordinary and off the main menu.

Why not just mention the usual things you want once when the girl and the mamasan/papasan are standing next to each other? Are the girls in these places really so often resistant to providing standard basic services you need to ask and negotiate privately and repeat it all over again in front of a witness just for ordinary services? Things like DFK and BBBJ?

[QUOTE=BimboBoy;2139240]Today, as my taxi was driving me to the airport, we passed by a number of small massage saloons very close to Shangri La hotel. The girls were smiling and looked nice. Not top models, but simple nice girls. I will go to explore this area next time. The experience will be probably cheaper and nicer! I can't tell the street name unfortunately.[/QUOTE]There was only 1 place in Bkk where you could get a massage by a very pretty girl, oil massage or Thai massage for 2 hours THEN decide if you wanted to go full on sex. VIP massage in Huay Kwang area. The pretties could do 3 or 4 customers a day. Over time less girls and less customers so I guess they finally gave up. Building now a hotel.

Only places I find now you have to pay up front your 2-3,000 and takes your chances. I doubt you get a decent massage.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2139375]Asking for BBFS in front of the mamasan or papasan is probably the one thing guaranteed to get you kicked out of the place.[/QUOTE]Depends on the venue. Some will suggest girls who will do that.

Airport to Nana. Pay the 75 baht in tolls. So much faster.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2139513]Depends on the venue. Some will suggest girls who will do that.[/QUOTE]Now, that sounds like truly useful information. Which venues do that? And if you know them, please share the names of the mamasans/papasans who provide such useful information. Whatever tips they are getting for sharing such (accurate) information is well deserved and, if anything, probably isn't nearly enough. haha. Thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=JWCool;2139347]. I took a nap then headed to Crazyhorse at 12. There were four Asian men walking in in front of me and then he stuck his hand out and said you buy beer first. I read on here how Indians are treated at some of the bars but I have never felt that kind of disrespect in my life and I was born in 1969. There was no way I was going in there spending one dime so I caught a cab back to soi 11 to see that the Thai police closed all the bars at 1 am. That's the end to the third day. Going to Pattaya tomorrow hope my experience will be better.[/QUOTE]When was the last time you went club hopping in the US playa?

Because if you did, you know well there is racial discrimination at the entry. When I go out with pretty white boys I could get in to all the clubs, with my black or Latino brothers I could get in to most of the clubs but not all. And if I go alone or with Indians, I am Indian BTW, I could get in to less than half the clubs.

Understand you are pissed off about CH policy but take your chance next time because you only live once and don't let emotions ruin your holidays.

During my visit even after we got in to gogos after paying cover charges, we got the worst seat in the club plus they kept sending the ugliest girls our way. But after repeatedly tipping and buying several round of drinks we got treated very differently. And had a great time.

Understand some won't like to hear it but better to swallow your pride and play by their rules though it's dirty.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2139562]When was the last time you went club hopping in the US playa?

Because if you did, you know well there is racial discrimination at the entry. When I go out with pretty white boys I could get in to all the clubs, with my black or Latino brothers I could get in to most of the clubs but not all. And if I go alone or with Indians, I am Indian BTW, I could get in to less than half the clubs.

Understand you are pissed off about CH policy but take your chance next time because you only live once and don't let emotions ruin your holidays.

During my visit even after we got in to gogos after paying cover charges, we got the worst seat in the club plus they kept sending the ugliest girls our way. But after repeatedly tipping and buying several round of drinks we got treated very differently. And had a great time.

Understand some won't like to hear it but better to swallow your pride and play by their rules though it's dirty.[/QUOTE]Good advice. Indians can't blame these bars for setting those policies. They can however, blame their fellow countrymen from India who have basically soiled the reputation of Indians. But if you do as LoneWolf suggested and display that you will spend some money, you will be fine. Pay the 100 baht to get in the bar and buy some drinks for yourself and the girls. You will quickly be treated with respect.

The other option is to go back to the hotel in a huff and jack off to internet porn for free.

Hit Nana Plaza last night.

First stop of course was Rainbow 4. It was quite disappointing talent wise compared to Pattaya but I still picked 3 girls in one of the groups worth of a drink. Within 1 minute all 3 of the 20 girls on stage were taken off stage and barfined. None of the ones I did not select even got a drink. I do have good taste I guess.

Twisters was next door so our obvious next stop. Pretty poor talent. I liked 1 girl #153 but she was grabbed off stage by a Japanese guy just as I spotted her. She seemed like a lot of fun but was flirting with me more than the Japanese guy. I decided to move on. She looked extremely sad I as walked out.

Butterflies. In and out. No thanks.

Billboard - 100% farang club. One of the worst lineups I have ever seen in any gogo bar for my tastes. My friend said they all looked like monkeys. Tons of girls though. Only stayed 10 minutes since my buddy has a thing that we have to finish our drinks before we leave. I downed my drink in 15 seconds and waited for him.

Rainbow 3 - only about 10 girls visible and no customers when we walked in. Didn't stay.

Bangkok Bunnies. Didn't stay.

Lollipop. My buddy was hesitant going in to a bar with some ladyboys present but I convinced him there were cute girls in here in the past. Thankfully he went in since this bar had the cutest 3 gogo girls I saw in Bangkok this week. Yes, you have to ignore the dozen or so ladyboys here but they are easy to spot in this bar. I asked my buddy if he wanted me to get drinks for 2 girls on stage we liked. He said after he comes back from the washroom. I'm not sure why but I decided to wait a minute or 2 for him to return rather than just grabbing the girls for drinks. Within that time the Japanese guy beside me grabbed the busty one I wanted. FML. She was flirting with me more than with the Japanese guy who eventually barfined her. As she left she made the Thai crying motion with her hands to me. I will go back to see her for sure. No name since I never spoke with her. She looks 19.

Talent wise this week in Bangkok gogo bars is MUCH weaker than Pattaya. So much so I shortened my Bangkok stay to return to Pattaya tonight.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2139570]Indians can't blame these bars for setting those policies. They can however, blame their fellow countrymen from India who have basically soiled the reputation of Indians..[/QUOTE]The reality is that there are as many cheap Farangs as there are Indians that go to Pattaya. The only difference is the way the Farangs speak, and the perception of Indians and the color of their skin.

Telling Indians to blame other Indians seems like you are blaming the victim for the way he looks.

The discrimination is not right, but that is life.

[QUOTE=SlowAndEasy;2139686]The reality is that there are as many cheap Farangs as there are Indians that go to Pattaya. The only difference is the way the Farangs speak, and the perception of Indians and the color of their skin.[/QUOTE]I respectfully disagree. The percentage of farangs who pull that crap (relative to the total number of farang tourists in pattaya) is FAR less than the percentage of Indians (relative to the total number of Indian tourists in pattaya) who do it. It has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with a reputation built over the years.

That is verified because they don't want Blacks to come in either. However, it's African blacks they don't want. When they find out a black is from the USA, they are accepted with open arms. Skin color is not the reason for the problem.

Hell, in Indonesia, they love the Bollywood movies. But ask any taxi driver in Jakarta about Indians, and they will immediately tell you the bad stories of their experiences with many Indians being bossy, rude, and cheap and will say they do not pick them up if they can avoid it.

"Telling Indians to blame other Indians seems like you are blaming the victim for the way he looks." - Sorry, but this is not a case of blaming the victim. It's a fact. There are good Indians of course (they are the victims). And they should be placing the blame on the Indians causing the problem in the first place (that number is large and they are not victims).

I have some close friends who are Indian. And of course I feel bad for them being stereotyped. But I can't say I don't understand why it happens, and they understand as well.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2139715]I respectfully disagree. The percentage of farangs who pull that crap (relative to the total number of farang tourists in pattaya) is FAR less than the percentage of Indians (relative to the total number of Indian tourists in pattaya) who do it. It has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with a reputation built over the years.

[/QUOTE]Sums it up perfectly Mr Smoothy, well done.

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2139378]If you are NOT a regular of any soapy massage parlor and you don't know the girl for a long time, there is no girl who will do BBFS or CIM + SW in any soapy massage parlor of Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Sorry but that's not my experience. I had a 3 some in Annie's and bb both of them and had rimming off one girl while I came in the other girl's mouth. Admittedly this was in late 2016 so maybe it's changed but IMO the services depend on who the punter is and who the girl is.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2139715]I respectfully disagree. The percentage of farangs who pull that crap (relative to the total number of farang tourists in pattaya) is FAR less than the percentage of Indians (relative to the total number of Indian tourists in pattaya) who do it. It has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with a reputation built over the years.

That is verified because they don't want Blacks to come in either. However, it's African blacks they don't want. When they find out a black is from the USA, they are accepted with open arms. Skin color is not the reason for the problem.

Hell, in Indonesia, they love the Bollywood movies. But ask any taxi driver in Jakarta about Indians, and they will immediately tell you the bad stories of their experiences with many Indians being bossy, rude, and cheap and will say they do not pick them up if they can avoid it.[/QUOTE]Farangs are the most stereotyped homo sapiens in LOS.

Not Indians.

As far as skin colour goes if you have the money you will get as much poontang as you want from these money hungry providers here in Thailand.

So, don't be a Cheap Charlie and good, good times are in store for you.

Don't forget it. Money is K**g here. Not skin colour or body odour. Those that think otherwise are kidding themselves.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2139715]I respectfully disagree. The percentage of farangs who pull that crap (relative to the total number of farang tourists in pattaya) is FAR less than the percentage of Indians (relative to the total number of Indian tourists in pattaya) who do it. It has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with a reputation built over the years.[/QUOTE]You have changed the premise to suit your conclusion. Neither you nor I have much credibility in assessing the actual percentage. You are therefore relying on gossip, innuendo, and hearsay to perpetuate a stereotype.

For the record, I don't disagree that the percentage might be higher, but how much higher?

I haven't been to Thailand for long time, but as American with Indian heritage (dark skin), people was very nice to me maby because I'm American or cute kid LOL taking me away from my mom to play with me, LOL good childhood.

But from my travels what I found out is that when it's more than one Indian (group of Indians) it becomes intimidating and not understanding personal space or respect. Not saying all Indians are like that, but usually the case, either stereotype and trying to be very cheap or pushy.

My 2 cents to fellow Indians, dont complain about pricing (tip well), be well reserved and respect the girl regardless of her job (treat her like a princess) , don't be a perv and pushy / demanding. Let the girl have control then she feel more comfortable with you. Also be clean, groomed, good hygiene, and don't over use the cologne (1-2 sprays is enough).

I know I'm going to get backlash LOL but it's the harsh truth, Indians shouldn't be having bad rep but the ones that don't have common etiquette give all Indians a bad name.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2139715]I respectfully disagree. The percentage of farangs who pull that crap (relative to the total number of farang tourists in pattaya) is FAR less than the percentage of Indians (relative to the total number of Indian tourists in pattaya) who do it. It has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with a reputation built over the years.

That is verified because they don't want Blacks to come in either. However, it's African blacks they don't want. When they find out a black is from the USA, they are accepted with open arms. Skin color is not the reason for the problem.

Hell, in Indonesia, they love the Bollywood movies. But ask any taxi driver in Jakarta about Indians, and they will immediately tell you the bad stories of their experiences with many Indians being bossy, rude, and cheap and will say they do not pick them up if they can avoid it.

"Telling Indians to blame other Indians seems like you are blaming the victim for the way he looks." - Sorry, but this is not a case of blaming the victim. It's a fact. There are good Indians of course (they are the victims). And they should be placing the blame on the Indians causing the problem in the first place (that number is large and they are not victims).

I have some close friends who are Indian. And of course I feel bad for them being stereotyped. But I can't say I don't understand why it happens, and they understand as well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dynolas;2139967]I know I'm going to get backlash LOL but it's the harsh truth, Indians shouldn't be having bad rep but the ones that don't have common etiquette give all Indians a bad name.[/QUOTE]Lets cut right to the heart of the problem. Its not the Indians in general but the class of Indians that are visiting. Lets blame the cheap airline fares and the super cheap rooms that allow 4 guys to a room. If airfare was as cheap as it is from India to Thailand all over the world you'd be talking about the trash being brought from all over the world. Raise the price of airfare and hotel restrictions on single guys to a room and the problem goes away.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2140005]Lets cut right to the heart of the problem. Its not the Indians in general but the class of Indians that are visiting. Lets blame the cheap airline fares and the super cheap rooms that allow 4 guys to a room. If airfare was as cheap as it is from India to Thailand all over the world you'd be talking about the trash being brought from all over the world. Raise the price of airfare and hotel restrictions on single guys to a room and the problem goes away.[/QUOTE]The type of visitor contributes to the problem a lot but let me tell you, I have seen similar behavior in other places too by obviously educated guys. I was lounging around next to the whirlpool tub in a FKK in Germany some time ago and a couple of Indian guys invited a black girl to join them in it. They enjoyed her company for a long time and then curtly said "You can go" to her. Needless to say the girl was indignant and discussed the issue with her friend nearby after climbing out. Both of them went back and to the guys and had some sort of discussion and one of them reluctantly got out of the pool and went with her ostensibly to pay for her companionship. Many Indians are cheap and love to brag about getting something for nothing.

Kangaroo BJ Bar. Once very well known and filled to the brim with ladies is all past its former glory.

I wanted a quick BJ and went there but was too disappointed.

Only 4-5 old ladies available.

I quickly exited and went to Star of light.

[QUOTE=SlowAndEasy;2139854]You have changed the premise to suit your conclusion. Neither you nor I have much credibility in assessing the actual percentage. You are therefore relying on gossip, innuendo, and hearsay to perpetuate a stereotype.

For the record, I don't disagree that the percentage might be higher, but how much higher?[/QUOTE]Here are some opinion poll percentages for you. FWIW I believe the 1% that Indian and Middle East tourists received was rounded up from 0. 3%, which is mathematically closer to ZERO:

[URL]https://www.thephuketnews.com/chinese-russian-tourists-not-preferred-says-phuket-poll-53379.php[/URL]

SL.

Bangkok 8 February to 10 February.

Thursday day 1.

Arrived at out hotel about 2 pm and my wingman is still sick. We are staying at Omni Towers Soi 4 Sukhumvit. We have a short walk to Nana Mall and have lunch and change money. My wingman goes back for a sleep and I grab a beer at one of the Hilarys and watch some FL across the road. I get 1 for 1000 and go back the hotel and have a some what lacklustre session. I send her on her way and check out Thai Friendly. I have a girl there in an hour and she is so much better. My wingman arises and is surprised that I have been busy LOL. We head to Nana Plaza and check out most places but very different from Pattaya. He heads home and I go to a bar nearby and have a dance or 2 with one of the girls but I know I'm gone for the night so I head back to the hotel. On the way I get hit up with 1500 LT so I take it. A bit fumbly in the night but get it on in the morning but I'm never picking up in the dark when drunk again very ugly and after telling the wnigman he tells me lucky noy a LB!

Friday day 2. After breakfast we decide to check out beer garden on Soi 7. The wingman is slightly better. Not much there and I get ripped off for a beer from this girl who after 2 sips leaves her bag and goes of talking to about every other guy in the bar. I move her bag and when she comes back for another drink I tell her to go. She is indignant and makes a point of picking up the guys beside us. So what. We leave and head back the hotel and I tell my friend that I saw a cute girl in the bar almost directly across the road from the hotel. Jackpot she is sitting out front so I head towards and out of the blues this other guy gets there first and she takes him in to order him a drink! We order and I'm thinking maybe I shouldn't been so rash with the girl at Beer Garden. Then she comes over to me and sits down. We play pool and after a couple drinks we settle on a price. While we are finishing our drinks we see the girl from Beer Garden go into the Ibis with some old dude. We cheer and she looks over and I show her my girl, so funny.

After we have some dinner we head off to Soi Cowboy. My wingman is still crook and isn't in the best of moods. We went to to 2 bars and he hates it. He spotted a girl near our hotel who he wanted and said he was going back. I'm not happy but there was a girl from the night before who caught my eye so I thought why not. I went to Nana Plaza first and hit a few bars before saw this young cute thing so I was set for the night. She said in the morning she had to go to university for the morning so she was only a part timer who had the tightest pussy. I'm usually careful but she didn't stop to ask me to use a condom so I'm hoping she is clean! But her pussy was so tight and I'm not that big so I don't think many cocks have been in there.

Overall impressions of Thailand is yes definitely will return but maybe 1 night in Bangkok to really check out Soi Cowboy.

Thanks Rob.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2140129]Here are some opinion poll percentages for you. FWIW I believe the 1% that Indian and Middle East tourists received was rounded up from 0. 3%, which is mathematically closer to ZERO:

[URL]https://www.thephuketnews.com/chinese-russian-tourists-not-preferred-says-phuket-poll-53379.php[/URL]

SL.[/QUOTE]I'm surprised they even got 0.3%.

Love a good survey in some claptrap paper. A collection of anecdotes remains a collection of anecdotes.

From my perspective Indians seem despised because they are seen as generally argumentative, which is true, they are generally stingy, which is true, they have cultural norms that are different to Westerners and east and south east asians, which is true and they Have dark skin. There are many cultures that have exactly the same first three features. I could argue southern Europeans from Greece and eastern European are the same. However they are fair skinned so it is tolerated. I could argue that Chinese also have some of those features. Perhaps they are less stingy.

Come to Australia, the Chinese from mainland China are generally detested for being, wait for it, cheap, argumentative, different and buy all our property. Their only advantage is their fair skin and sexually loose women who dominate the sex industry and are seen as more desirable than fat white women.

The Indian taxi drivers here are seen as, wait for it, stingy, argumentative, different and have dark skin. They do not have desirable daughters, at least in the eyes of the locals.

I could go on. My point is, it's prejudice no matter what we think. It's inherent in Asia as the rest of the world. Most Indians are decent hard working people, but then remember the wasps of America and the west, many of whom dominate this board, a few generations ago were beating up Irish folk. Being decent isn't going to stop prejudice. Indians of dark skin probably face it more than light skinned Indians.

My final humorous point. There is so much negativity here when white guys strike out at thermae or get turned away from Japanese dominated places and comfort themeselves crying into their beers about east Asians being 3 minutes three inches and 3 k baht. That the world has changed and being white Caucasian is not as unique an advantage as before. The Chinese will arrive more and more with more money and they will steal the top notch girls that the white guys desire. So I smile, raise my glass to those who try to rationalize their own inherent dislike of Indians based on anecdotes and say enjoy your world, I'll enjoy mine.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2140129]Here are some opinion poll percentages for you. FWIW I believe the 1% that Indian and Middle East tourists received was rounded up from 0. 3%, which is mathematically closer to ZERO:

[URL]https://www.thephuketnews.com/chinese-russian-tourists-not-preferred-says-phuket-poll-53379.php[/URL]

SL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Supmam;2140242]Love a good survey in some claptrap paper. A collection of anecdotes remains a collection of anecdotes.

From my perspective Indians seem despised because they are seen as generally argumentative, which is true, they are generally stingy, which is true, they have cultural norms that are different to Westerners and east and south east asians, which is true and they Have dark skin. There are many cultures that have exactly the same first three features. I could argue southern Europeans from Greece and eastern European are the same. However they are fair skinned so it is tolerated. I could argue that Chinese also have some of those features. Perhaps they are less stingy.

Come to Australia, the Chinese from mainland China are generally detested for being, wait for it, cheap, argumentative, different and buy all our property. Their only advantage is their fair skin and sexually loose women who dominate the sex industry and are seen as more desirable than fat white women.

The Indian taxi drivers here are seen as, wait for it, stingy, argumentative, different and have dark skin. They do not have desirable daughters, at least in the eyes of the locals..[/QUOTE]Excellent post. If you get rejected, why not look at yourself and try to enhance other aspects about you, like that wallet size. I've mongered with friends from the USA, who were Indian, White, Asian and Hispanic. They all scored at Thermae and Baccara. Maybe not their first or second choices, but still got girls. And at least they didn't sit there and cry about the other guys. It shows jealousy when you do that.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2140213]I'm surprised they even got 0.3%.[/QUOTE]It's also surprising that Asians got only 6%. And the 12% for Americans isn't very impressive either.

I imagine the results would be pretty much the same no matter which claptrap bag of anecdotes were used.

I believe we are all racist in one way or another as we all greedy and selfish in some shape or form. Some of us fight against these base instincts while others happily marginalize people based on skin tones and other ethnic differences.

That said it has to be accepted as a reality that particular nationals do not always fit well into new environments and locals vis a vis their own culture find them difficult to deal with.

It is not up to the locals to change their values to accommodate these differences. It is up to the visitors to acquaint themselves with and respect local customs and norms by changing their behavior. Those that don't should be shamed and ignored.

Not everybody from these countries behaves badly but unfortunately a lot do which sadly tarnishes all of them. I try to treat all individuals irrespective of color or creed with respect until I find he or she doesn't deserve that respect and believe me I have met just as many white dickheads as brown dickheads.

Is Chinese new year is a good time to visit Bangkok? Or delay plan by a week?

Pure from mongering perspective.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2140242]Love a good survey in some claptrap paper. A collection of anecdotes remains a collection of anecdotes.


My final humorous point. There is so much negativity here when white guys strike out at thermae or get turned away from Japanese dominated places and comfort themeselves crying into their beers about east Asians being 3 minutes three inches and 3 k baht. That the world has changed and being white Caucasian is not as unique an advantage as before. The Chinese will arrive more and more with more money and they will steal the top notch girls that the white guys desire. So I smile, raise my glass to those who try to rationalize their own inherent dislike of Indians based on anecdotes and say enjoy your world, I'll enjoy mine.[/QUOTE]Very nicely stated. India and China are two fastest growing economies today. The middle class of India today has more disposable income and believes in spending on tourism. The middle class of both China and India together vastly outnumber the total population of western world. One may like it or hate it but the world is going to see more and more tourists from these two countries in future. Yes majority Indians lack the etiquette and manners when it comes to behavior in public but that will change with exposure to outside world. Chinese had the same problem till a few years back but they are a improved lot now.

[QUOTE=HorneeFalang;2139849]Farangs are the most stereotyped homo sapiens in LOS.

Not Indians.

As far as skin colour goes if you have the money you will get as much poontang as you want from these money hungry providers here in Thailand.

So, don't be a Cheap Charlie and good, good times are in store for you.

Don't forget it. Money is K**g here. Not skin colour or body odour. Those that think otherwise are kidding themselves.[/QUOTE]LOL. Very good post. Farangs are usually stereotyped in a positive way. I agree money is what it's all about. But etiquette is very important as well. And Body Odor is a deal killer. While many people love curry, most people do not want to smell it on you.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2140242]The Chinese will arrive more and more with more money and they will steal the top notch girls that the white guys desire. So I smile, raise my glass to those who try to rationalize their own inherent dislike of Indians based on anecdotes and say enjoy your world, I'll enjoy mine.[/QUOTE]Can't wait! With the poor service, bad 'tudes, and high prices, this is exactly what the scene is screaming for. Mainland punters are demanding and will not put up with poor service, bad attitudes, or gals whose guts look like they have been run over by an M1 tank and whose breasts look like prunes. They'll scream and raise hell with the gals and the mamasans. They will also run all the other punters off, well, except for perhaps the some of the Indians. The Japanese, Koreans, HKers, Taiwanese, Malaysians, Singaporeans, and Westerners will be repelled. The working gals here will long for the days a nice farang who actually wanted to please her as well was norm, even if he did only want to pay 1. 5 k. It's going to be enjoyable to watch. I've actually seen some mainlanders in places like Tulip. The gals are none too pleased to see them.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2140261]It's also surprising that Asians got only 6%. And the 12% for Americans isn't very impressive either.[/QUOTE]12% for North Americans is pretty impressive when you consider that less than 12% of the tourist population is from North America. That's a long flight!

I agree though that only 6 percent for Asians such as Japanese doesn't make much sense.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2140242]Love a good survey in some claptrap paper. A collection of anecdotes remains a collection of anecdotes.

From my perspective Indians seem despised because they are seen as generally argumentative, which is true, they are generally stingy, which is true, they have cultural norms that are different to Westerners and east and south east asians, which is true and they Have dark skin. There are many cultures that have exactly the same first three features. I could argue southern Europeans from Greece and eastern European are the same. However they are fair skinned so it is tolerated. I could argue that Chinese also have some of those features. Perhaps they are less stingy..[/QUOTE]What a wonderfully written piece. This should be a sticky. And from and Aussie no less (for those who miss it, that was a joke).

The point is that we all use some form of discrimination in our daily lives. If we do not, we cannot function. Whether we discriminate based on weight, breast size, hair color, smell, or behavior.

We discriminate when we have to make choices.

However, by definition, treating all people of one color or race the same because a small percentage of their population behaves badly is called Racism.

I am of the belief that if 51% of certain race behaves badly, then the stereotype is deserved. However, that does not make it any less acceptable.

Boys, I understand the reasons for the bad name that Indians have. Just don't try to tell me that justifies treating all Indians the same.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2140261]It's also surprising that Asians got only 6%. And the 12% for Americans isn't very impressive either.[/QUOTE]I question whether most Thai shop owners or whoever was taking that poll would know the difference between Western Europeans, North Americans, Australians and Scandinavians. Can't tell you how many times I've told a Thai person I am from USA and they've said, "Europe?" I've told them California and they think that is somewhere in Australia. I think they would know the difference between Asian groups. But doubt they really know if the blonde couple standing in front of them is from Norway or Canada.

Hi guys,

My trip to BKK planned and booked. Anyone in the area from the 15th this month.

Chico.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2140409]I question whether most Thai shop owners or whoever was taking that poll would know the difference between Western Europeans, North Americans, Australians and Scandinavians. Can't tell you how many times I've told a Thai person I am from USA and they've said, "Europe?" I've told them California and they think that is somewhere in Australia. I think they would know the difference between Asian groups. But doubt they really know if the blonde couple standing in front of them is from Norway or Canada.[/QUOTE]I have never even once had a Thai correctly guess which country (or even which continent) I am from. They just know I am a farang.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2140129]Here are some opinion poll percentages for you. FWIW I believe the 1% that Indian and Middle East tourists received was rounded up from 0. 3%, which is mathematically closer to ZERO:

[URL]https://www.thephuketnews.com/chinese-russian-tourists-not-preferred-says-phuket-poll-53379.php[/URL]

SL.[/QUOTE]Then can be lucky to be Swede 55.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2140242]My final humorous point. There is so much negativity here when white guys strike out at thermae or get turned away from Japanese dominated places and comfort themeselves crying into their beers about east Asians being 3 minutes three inches and 3 k baht. That the world has changed and being white Caucasian is not as unique an advantage as before. The Chinese will arrive more and more with more money and they will steal the top notch girls that the white guys desire. So I smile, raise my glass to those who try to rationalize their own inherent dislike of Indians based on anecdotes and say enjoy your world, I'll enjoy mine.[/QUOTE]Well said. Couldn't agree more.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2140409]I question whether most Thai shop owners or whoever was taking that poll would know the difference between Western Europeans, North Americans, Australians and Scandinavians. Can't tell you how many times I've told a Thai person I am from USA and they've said, "Europe?" I've told them California and they think that is somewhere in Australia. I think they would know the difference between Asian groups. But doubt they really know if the blonde couple standing in front of them is from Norway or Canada.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree with you ET.

Most Thais would have no idea where a farang comes from, even after they have spoken with them. As a white Caucasian, I have difficulty distinguishing races, and certainly cannot do it by sight alone.

Filipinos have no idea where I come from unless I tell them. Classic recent responses have been "Australia! Is that near America?" or "Australia! Is that same as English?

I suggest the racial profiling by Asians occurs at a very simple level and depends on whether skin is white, brown or black, and has little to do with where you come from.

How much is the cheapest airfare from an Indian city to Bangkok?

[QUOTE=Breadman;2140005]Lets cut right to the heart of the problem. Its not the Indians in general but the class of Indians that are visiting. Lets blame the cheap airline fares and the super cheap rooms that allow 4 guys to a room. If airfare was as cheap as it is from India to Thailand all over the world you'd be talking about the trash being brought from all over the world. Raise the price of airfare and hotel restrictions on single guys to a room and the problem goes away.[/QUOTE]

LOL. I wrote in another post how the people from the subcontinent are changing the demographics of guests in middle range hotels in the US and elsewhere. In some of the service apartments and rooms with kitchens, the smell of curry floats down of the hallways on weekends at places I have frequented for decades. The other Asians are their too but the instant noodles do not carry such strong oders. Heh heh

[QUOTE=SlowAndEasy;2140328]LOL. Very good post. Farangs are usually stereotyped in a positive way. I agree money is what it's all about. But etiquette is very important as well. And Body Odor is a deal killer. While many people love curry, most people do not want to smell it on you.[/QUOTE]

As some have pointed out, skin color does matter but the color of your money and the thickness of the stack is what ultimately counts. The chinese tourist will be a threat soon because the cost of pussy in their home country is going to rise with the crack downs and growing economy.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2140427]I have never even once had a Thai correctly guess which country (or even which continent) I am from. They just know I am a farang.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=RedKilt;2140555]I suggest the racial profiling by Asians occurs at a very simple level and depends on whether skin is white, brown or black, and has little to do with where you come from.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2140555]Absolutely agree with you ET.

Most Thais would have no idea where a farang comes from, even after they have spoken with them. As a white caucasian, I have difficulty distinguishing races, and certainly cannot do it by sight alone.

Filipinos have no idea where I come from unless I tell them. Classic recent responses have been "Australia! Is that near America?" or "Australia! Is that same as English?

I suggest the racial profiling by Asians occurs at a very simple level and depends on whether skin is white, brown or black, and has little to do with where you come from.[/QUOTE]In south east asia, the people have less idea of nationality. One of my buddy is from India, speak fluent british accent and a bit whiter is 90% times considered as european.

Now this his pick up line guess me where m from. And he is always first one to get the chicks while we are still figuring out the possibility.

Seems many indians are having good time while others with lack of self esteem are complaining.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2140555]As a white caucasian, I have difficulty distinguishing races, and certainly cannot do it by sight alone.[/QUOTE]Live in Asia long enough and not only will you be able to guess the Asian country the person comes from but will also be able to tell which region a Thai person comes from by sight and by the way they speak.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2140555]Absolutely agree with you ET.

Most Thais would have no idea where a farang comes from, even after they have spoken with them. As a white caucasian, I have difficulty distinguishing races, and certainly cannot do it by sight alone.

Filipinos have no idea where I come from unless I tell them. Classic recent responses have been "Australia! Is that near America?" or "Australia! Is that same as English?

I suggest the racial profiling by Asians occurs at a very simple level and depends on whether skin is white, brown or black, and has little to do with where you come from.[/QUOTE]Even with our strong Aussies accents the Thais had to ask we are we from and from there it was all about bloody kangaroos LOL. In Bali the Indos can pick accents miles away.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2140605]Live in Asia long enough and not only will you be able to guess the Asian country the person comes from but will also be able to tell which region a Thai person comes from by sight and by the way they speak.[/QUOTE]It's no big deal Goat and I don't want to make a big issue of it but you used a phrase in your response that misinterpreted what I said in my post. You said "the way they speak".

I was referring to distinguishing between races by sight alone.

I have lived permanently in Asia for more than 20 years (in Philippines) and of course I can usually tell where a person comes from come from when they speak, and that includes the 5 major dialects in the Philippines, but I bet that you cannot pick a filipino's place of origin without hearing them speak unless it is an extreme indigenous group (like Isaan people in Thailand or Igorot people in central Luzon).

Confuse a Japanese with a Korean or vice versa and you will seriously offend either one. Can you distinguish between various South Asians by sight (Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi or even Sri Lankan?

When we visit Bangkok almost every Thai addresses my wife in Thai (she is filipina) and it amuses us. She must appear Thai to the locals. The same thing happens to the Japanese wife of a good friend of mine (British) when they are in Bkk. She is also mistaken for a Thai, and she creates enormous confusion because she speaks fluent Thai and is able to respond in Thai that she is Japanese.

You may have a particular skill in picking racial differences but the regular person-in-the-everyday-street obviously has a great deal of difficulty.

In Indonesia, I can usually tell you if a girl comes from Sumatra, Bandung, or Jogja just by looking at her.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2140662]Can you distinguish between various South Asians by sight (Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi or even Sri Lankan?[/QUOTE]Other than religion, there is no discernible difference either in look or mannerism between those. So it's a moot point.

However, there is a big difference between say Russian and British, or between Japanese and Chinese. They may look the same, but their mannerisms are different.

Smooci: Very nice meeting with Patty through [URL]smooci.com[/URL]. Easy and simple booking process, all handled professionally. Extremely nice girl which made me happy.

Thermae: Around 11 pm. Huge number of girls, many really sweet, young, nice, slim etc. Everybody will find a companion. I'm European. ST around 1500 or 2000. Forgot the details.

102 Massage Soi 24 around 4 pm. Perfect line up, was hardly able to make my choice. Too many perfect fits for me (young, slim, smiling. Girls not me.

Dream Heaven Massage on soi 33 around 4 pm. Found nice girl which did some kind of "nuru" massage, no air mattress. But she was extremely skilled and was perfect for me.

Freelancer from area in front of Nana plaza: Found again a young slime nice girl for ST 1500.

Chaophya 2 bath and massage: Same price for Farang and Thai. Around 5 pm, no good line up. Might be better a bit earlier or later.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2140662]It's no big deal Goat and I don't want to make a big issue of it but you used a phrase in your response that misinterpreted what I said in my post. You said "the way they speak".

I was referring to distinguishing between races by sight alone.

I have lived permanently in Asia for more than 20 years (in Philippines) and of course I can usually tell where a person comes from come from when they speak, and that includes the 5 major dialects in the Philippines, but I bet that you cannot pick a filipino's place of origin without hearing them speak unless it is an extreme indigenous group (like Isaan people in Thailand or Igorot people in central Luzon).

Confuse a Japanese with a Korean or vice versa and you will seriously offend either one. Can you distinguish between various South Asians by sight (Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi or even Sri Lankan?

When we visit Bangkok almost every Thai addresses my wife in Thai (she is filipina) and it amuses us. She must appear Thai to the locals. The same thing happens to the Japanese wife of a good friend of mine (British) when they are in Bkk. She is also mistaken for a Thai, and she creates enormous confusion because she speaks fluent Thai and is able to respond in Thai that she is Japanese.

You may have a particular skill in picking racial differences but the regular person-in-the-everyday-street obviously has a great deal of difficulty.[/QUOTE]I can do most by sight. Most, not all. There are always some that throw you. To my eye Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese look quite different for the most part. Now, Indians, Pakistanis, etc. That is a different matter altogether. Would not have the same success rate.

While I hyped up Patpong on my Bangkok visits before it was just downright bad on 2 visits this past week. Pink Panther was very quiet but had one nice smiley girl so had fun with her for a while. King's Castle 1 continues to be the busiest gogo bar there but absolutely none of the girls I liked from prior visits were there. King's Castle 2 was never really my thing but I was bored so bought a drink for the best one there since she started DFK'ing me before I bought her drink. Badabing was also very quiet. Can't find my super cute girl from my very first visit but I am a recognizable face there now so girls hang out with me for no drinks. My buddy refuses to go back to Black Pagoda so I didn't get to catch up with my beautiful Dao (sp?

I may visit again in a couple of weeks. I'm hoping I just hit Patpong on a poor week. We all know gogo bars can be great one day and bad the next or vice versa. The key is to hit many gogo bars and often and you will find your gems.

I think there were more girls sitting outside their KTV's on Thaniya Road than in all the gogo bars in Patpong. Thaniya Road is worth a look and you can try your luck with the girls even if you are not Japanese.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2139213]Never go with a girl you haven't spoken to about her services. If you see a girl you like, ask to speak to her. If they say you can't, walk out of the place. If she does come to talk to you, ask about her services and whether she provides what you want. If she says she does, have her confirm it in front of the papasan or mamasan so you have grounds to complain if she reneges. If she does not provide what you want, send her back and either ask for another girl and do the same procedure or leave. You will save a lot of time, money, and frustration by doing this.[/QUOTE]The problem is that we were short of time.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2140569]As some have pointed out, skin color does matter but the color of your money and the thickness of the stack is what ultimately counts. The chinese tourist will be a threat soon because the cost of pussy in their home country is going to rise with the crack downs and growing economy.[/QUOTE]Its not just the price of pussy in China. Younger Chinese girls do not provide the same level of service as previous generations.

[QUOTE=SlowAndEasy;2140899]Its not just the price of pussy in China. Younger Chinese girls do not provide the same level of service as previous generations.[/QUOTE]And their "one baby" rule caused them to have more males than females.

I always prefer the Mongolian girls anyway.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2140944]And their "one baby" rule caused them to have more males than females.

I always prefer the Mongolian girls anyway.[/QUOTE]Also a very important point.

[QUOTE=SlowAndEasy;2140899]Its not just the price of pussy in China. Younger Chinese girls do not provide the same level of service as previous generations.[/QUOTE]Chinese girls have become extremely spoilt and are fast becoming the world's most spoilt women.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2141140]Chinese girls have become extremely spoilt and are fast becoming the world's most spoilt women.[/QUOTE]The one child policy in China has created a non-gender specific social phenomenon known as the [I]Little Emperor Syndrome[/I]. Well studied and documented. While Chinese single child policy offspring are now allowed have multiple children, deep seeded social stigmas and economic realities conspire against it.

Most woman around the world have BBD (bigger better deal) aspirations. Some are just more mercenary about it.

SL.

[QUOTE=SlowAndEasy;2140899]Its not just the price of pussy in China. Younger Chinese girls do not provide the same level of service as previous generations.[/QUOTE]And you know this for a fact? Trying out the grand daughter right after the grandma are you? We all know grandma can pull out her teeth so that's a plus right there.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2141211]
Most woman around the world have BBD (bigger better deal) aspirations. [/QUOTE]Reminds me of the movie from the 80's. Hardbodies. They were always BBD'ing the chicks to pick them up.

Headed with my buddy to Shock 39 disco, which is full of mostly CIS stuff and a few Eastern Europeans. Ended up with this WG from Ukraine who quoted 6 k THB for LT. Can't recall her name, although remember asking her, atleast, on two occasions. I had a executive suite booked and she was suitably impressed. A pointer guys - if you can afford it, I would recommend staying in classy digs as, in my experience, this will ensure better service from the girls and make them stay longer at no extra cost to you. Most of these WGs, I reckon, must be putting up in average accomodations. So, staying in a 70 sq. mt. suite in a luxury hotel does not hurt. We reached my place at around 1-1.30 and she left at around 10.30 in the morning, although at no point did I ask her to stay longer. The experience is always better when the girl is in no particular rush and is willing to stay longer that the normal quota. Anyhow, she had a little baby damage but nothing that could not be overlooked. A detail that is worth mentioning though is that her skin was very smooth, almost creamy to the touch and I remember complimenting her for it. She recently had had a permanent lip tattoo done, which, till then, I did not know was a thing. Googled it afterwards. LOL. Anyhow, it did not come in the way of nice LFK, sadly no DFK as she said it would cause her discomfort. So, did not insist. CBJ (my choice) was very good and she must have gone on for good 4-5 minutes non-stop without any hint of tiredness, so full marks there. FS was good in all the usual positions. So, nothing much to report there. Overall, it was a good experience as she did not have any attitude problems. I think, the moment girls realize that the guy they are with is well heeled, their whole attitude becomes better. Don't remember the name of the girl but she is kinda tall, around 5' 7" and, usually, stands in front and slightly to the right of the DJ booth when facing away from it. Hope this little info. is of some help. Enjoy!

Finally my time to contribute again to this wonderful forum is just a few weeks away. Have read a few reports on the BJ parlors which I have never tried and intend to this time. Was curious to know if during the service the girls take off their clothes and allow you to feel them up both up and down there?? I have never cum with just a BJ so hopefully feeling them up will make it easier for me to cum. Also any recommendations for BJ parlors around Sukumvit. I have heard a lot about Som's heaven and the others around soi7. Thanks.

Hi.

Unavoidablely, during my next visit to BKK, I'll be staying in Bang na for 3 days. Did RTFF / search but can't find much. Anyone got any info on potential action in the area?

Getting a cab into town probably won't be an option.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2141140]Chinese girls have become extremely spoilt and are fast becoming the world's most spoilt women.[/QUOTE]Where can you find Chinese girls in Bangkok? I searched Thermae club quite a few times last year but I did not see any real Chinese girl in that club.

[QUOTE=TommySnap;2142119]Unavoidablely, during my next visit to BKK, I'll be staying in Bang na for 3 days. Did RTFF / search but can't find much. Anyone got any info on potential action in the area?

Getting a cab into town probably won't be an option.[/QUOTE]Take the BTS up to Soi Cowboy or Nana and a taxi home. It's not that far.

I think the US girls have most countries beat. It is amazing how some of the girls game the system to their advantage and they think their fat pussies are golden.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2141211]Most woman around the world have BBD (bigger better deal) aspirations. Some are just more mercenary about it.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Smoothy;2141336]Reminds me of the movie from the 80's. Hardbodies. They were always BBD'ing the chicks to pick them up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sum12;2142024]Finally my time to contribute again to this wonderful forum is just a few weeks away. Have read a few reports on the BJ parlors which I have never tried and intend to this time. Was curious to know if during the service the girls take off their clothes and allow you to feel them up both up and down there?? I have never cum with just a BJ so hopefully feeling them up will make it easier for me to cum. Also any recommendations for BJ parlors around Sukumvit. I have heard a lot about Som's heaven and the others around soi7. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Som's is a good choice with a big lineup. You will probably find someone that meets your specs. The normal BJ is 700 baht but if you want them to get naked and let you play around they will ask for 500 additional but you can negotiate a bit. Try Ploy if you like DT. Balls to the wall so to speak and no gag reflexes. Can also be a good option for full sex as I have had some of the ladies tell me they were horny because they mostly give BJs and don't get FS too often.

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;2142140]Where can you find Chinese girls in Bangkok? I searched Thermae club quite a few times last year but I did not see any real Chinese girl in that club.[/QUOTE]Chinese girls need work permits. You need to go to Chinatown.

I was in Bangkok for few days 7-10/2, company work so they paid for everything barring 'Fucks', I stayed at hotel aloft purely for its location. Has good bars Aussie nice & genuine massages and excellent restaurants and lovely karaoke music.

Did pub hopping with local friends and drank a lot. Got a little tipsy so decided to look at climax late night. Just as I was stepping in saw 2 beauties indies outside. Confirmed services from 1 of the chicks, she was the better looking. Took her to my room on the 6th floor had a whirlpool on the deck. She liked it, cleaned herself up and I banged the shit out of her for the next few hours. Paid her about 4-4. 5 k for the session. She wanted to stay but I asked her to leave and confirmed her services for the next day. Told her to show up whenever I call her and she gladly did the following day. Next day her service levels were a notch higher. BBBJ, all positions, nice racks, smooth skin, no marks, could play with her ass but no anal allowed, of course DFK was on menu, overall rating 8. 5/10, looks 8. 5/10, service quality and GFE 8/10.

Next day decided to try someone else so went to Levels, local nightclub of the hotel and excellent rock music. Ordered a bottle of whiskey with a local friend and saw many indies hovering around our table. It was a single malt one of those expensive ones. Chatted with a few chicks but asking was really high. Went for a walk and this girl bumped into me deliberately and we got talking. She asked me to take her, was nothing great just above average but a nice slim tight athletic figure. She was my last option so said no for the time being. Around1/1. 30 am went back to her and confirmed her services. Said no for BBBJ and I told her we will see. Deal at 3 k. Went into the room, she brushed and showered and I saw a great body. Face 6/10 but body was like 9/10. My favorite with her was 69 and doggie, fingered her ass, she resisted initially but gave in later. Pussy was relatively tight, I don't think many fancied her but she was a good choice in the end. Her pussy was wet like a swimming pool, she wanted a 3 some with her friend and asked me if I was up for it, her friend needed to make some money. I was in no mood / energy for it. Politely declined. 2 sessions at night, woke up hard on and another session in the morning before she left. Tipped her well, served her light BF with breads and juice and she left. Forgot to take her digits, what a bum I am.

All in all a good weekend. Keep fucking and stay safe.

Bangkok is my destination after Pattaya and I must say that I'm very disappointed.

That is my first night so I decided give Soi cowboy a go. The outside atmosphere was very exciting indeed with a lot of nice girl trying to catch customer attention. I want to try BJ bar so I enter aftershock there are like 7-8 farang guy already inside and it seem that no one really care about the girls but enjoy their drink. I was approached by 2 virl, one "weak" average and one's fat and ugly. After a bit chit chat, they quickly ask for lady drink which I declined because they just not worth it no suggestion about BJ. Am I doing it wrong?

Then I was pull over by a girl to an Agogo name Dejavu. It's weekend and the bar have like 5 customer in total, included me. Again 2 girl approached at once and soon asked for lady drink, I bought 2 which in the end turn out to be more than 500 baht. I left when they try to sell me another lady drink round. I also forced to gave tips.

In sum, I'm not a cheap person but I really hate it when people trying to sell sevice by pressuring customer. From this aspect, Pattaya is doing a lot better than Bkk where I can lay back and choose what I want.

Intend to try massage tomorrow, can anyone suggest any good one? Also I still want to try BJ bar, any recommendation?

[QUOTE=Soroche;2142304]Som's is a good choice with a big lineup. You will probably find someone that meets your specs. ..... Can also be a good option for full sex as I have had some of the ladies tell me they were horny because they mostly give BJs and don't get FS too often.[/QUOTE]It will cost you 1700 THB for one hour FS in a private room.

[QUOTE=Appcer999;2142481]Bangkok is my destination after Pattaya and I must say that I'm very disappointed.

That is my first night so I decided give Soi cowboy a go. The outside atmosphere was very exciting indeed with a lot of nice girl trying to catch customer attention. I want to try BJ bar so I enter aftershock there are like 7-8 farang guy already inside and it seem that no one really care about the girls but enjoy their drink. I was approached by 2 virl, one "weak" average and one's fat and ugly. After a bit chit chat, they quickly ask for lady drink which I declined because they just not worth it no suggestion about BJ. Am I doing it wrong?

Then I was pull over by a girl to an Agogo name Dejavu. It's weekend and the bar have like 5 customer in total, included me. Again 2 girl approached at once and soon asked for lady drink, I bought 2 which in the end turn out to be more than 500 baht. I left when they try to sell me another lady drink round. I also forced to gave tips.

In sum, I'm not a cheap person but I really hate it when people trying to sell sevice by pressuring customer. From this aspect, Pattaya is doing a lot better than Bkk where I can lay back and choose what I want.

Intend to try massage tomorrow, can anyone suggest any good one? Also I still want to try BJ bar, any recommendation?[/QUOTE]I too was disappointed with Bangkok after visiting Pattaya first. I think the major difference is that Pattaya is so easy to get around, with better pricing on drinks and a better feel about it. Our next trip will be all in Pattaya. Interesting enough Soi Cowboy didn't meet my expectations at all.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2142569]I too was disappointed with Bangkok after visiting Pattaya first. I think the major difference is that Pattaya is so easy to get around, with better pricing on drinks and a better feel about it. Our next trip will be all in Pattaya. Interesting enough Soi Cowboy didn't meet my expectations at all.[/QUOTE]Yes Pattaya is way better than Bangkok, the girl in Bangkok only focus on make you buy them drink as much as possible and they force tip.

Anyway I will try Poisedon massage today and FR later.

Rather unexpectedly a cute Thai airways flight attendant invited me down to Pattaya, but then told me it's good only during the day. Not at night. If only she knew. I've never been and done all my activities in Bangkok. Sounds interesting.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2142569]I too was disappointed with Bangkok after visiting Pattaya first. I think the major difference is that Pattaya is so easy to get around, with better pricing on drinks and a better feel about it. Our next trip will be all in Pattaya. Interesting enough Soi Cowboy didn't meet my expectations at all.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Appcer999;2142481]Bangkok is my destination after Pattaya and I must say that I'm very disappointed.

That is my first night so I decided give Soi cowboy a go. The outside atmosphere was very exciting indeed with a lot of nice girl trying to catch customer attention. I want to try BJ bar so I enter aftershock there are like 7-8 farang guy already inside and it seem that no one really care about the girls but enjoy their drink. I was approached by 2 virl, one "weak" average and one's fat and ugly. After a bit chit chat, they quickly ask for lady drink which I declined because they just not worth it no suggestion about BJ. Am I doing it wrong?

Then I was pull over by a girl to an Agogo name Dejavu. It's weekend and the bar have like 5 customer in total, included me. Again 2 girl approached at once and soon asked for lady drink, I bought 2 which in the end turn out to be more than 500 baht. I left when they try to sell me another lady drink round. I also forced to gave tips.

In sum, I'm not a cheap person but I really hate it when people trying to sell sevice by pressuring customer. From this aspect, Pattaya is doing a lot better than Bkk where I can lay back and choose what I want.

Intend to try massage tomorrow, can anyone suggest any good one? Also I still want to try BJ bar, any recommendation?[/QUOTE]First of all, you went to the wrong place to get a blowjob bar experience. Aftershock? Try Kasalong Bar (day or night), L0litas (day or night), Som's Haven, even Wood Bar would be a better choice than any go-go/supposed BJ bar in the city.

Second, you went to the wrong go-go bar area if you are trying to avoid bait-and-switch scams from non-barfinable Coyotes and hardcore Lady Drink only hustlers. Skip Soi Cowboy unless the above is your thing and head to Nana Plaza tonight instead. Yes, there are exceptions, I am just talking about the difference between each area's general business model.

My worst exoeriences with either of my suggested alternatives is still better than my best experiences in Pattaya over the past 5 years and a half dozen or more trips to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2142637]First of all, you went to the wrong place to get a blowjob bar experience. Aftershock? Try Kasalong Bar (day or night), L0litas (day or night), Som's Haven, even Wood Bar would be a better choice than any go-go/supposed BJ bar in the city.

Second, you went to the wrong go-go bar area if you are trying to avoid bait-and-switch scams from non-barfinable Coyotes and hardcore Lady Drink only hustlers. Skip Soi Cowboy unless the above is your thing and head to Nana Plaza tonight instead. Yes, there are exceptions, I am just talking about the difference between each area's general business model.[/QUOTE]I personally like Afterskool for blowjobs but let me caveat this. I stay around that area and also like to eat / drink early on in the regular bars around there. I've also been going to Afterskool for many years so they know me and I enjoy the naughty corner. This is not for everyone and for newbies to BKK looking for a BJ then the other bars you mentioned are a better option.

I don't particularily like Nana plaza that much but I do go down there for a drink occasionally and for a bit of a look. I think there are far more FL's around there if that's your thing.

A lot of this comes down to personal preferences and where you feel more comfortable. 20 years ago my main hangout was Patpong and the Kangaroo club but I've only been to Patpong a couple of times in recent years. Last time I was there I noticed the Irish pub had good. I used to eat there occasionally if I was in the area, good food.

Hi everyone,

Do you know maybe a site where I can find independent women, but with filter option, like price range, height, and with reviews of people for that women (but real reviews)?

[QUOTE=Appcer999;2142591]Anyway I will try Poisedon massage today and FR later.[/QUOTE]Lemme give you a heads up. A few pages back, on this thread, there is a detailed FR of the poor experience of a fellow ISGer at Poseidon not too long ago. You might wanna reconsider your choice of soapy after going through that. Anyhow, good luck out there.

[QUOTE=Appcer999;2142481]Bangkok is my destination after Pattaya and I must say that I'm very disappointed.

That is my first night so I decided give Soi cowboy a go. The outside atmosphere was very exciting indeed with a lot of nice girl trying to catch customer attention. I want to try BJ bar so I enter aftershock there are like 7-8 farang guy already inside and it seem that no one really care about the girls but enjoy their drink. I was approached by 2 virl, one "weak" average and one's fat and ugly. After a bit chit chat, they quickly ask for lady drink which I declined because they just not worth it no suggestion about BJ. Am I doing it wrong?[/QUOTE]A man often called "The Arab" owns a number of bars on Soi Cowboy. If you avoid his bars you will greatly increase the odds of having a good time at Soi Cowboy. He owns Deja Vu, Kiss, Midnite, Rio, Sahara, Rawhide, Spice Girls, and possibly more. These Soi Cowboy bars should be avoided.

[QUOTE=TommySnap;2142119]Hi.

Unavoidablely, during my next visit to BKK, I'll be staying in Bang na for 3 days. Did RTFF / search but can't find much. Anyone got any info on potential action in the area?

Getting a cab into town probably won't be an option.[/QUOTE]Rao Lounge at crossing Srinakarin Road and Chaloen Phrakiat. A thai style gentlemens club, so you better speak thai, [URL]http://www.raolounge.com[/URL].

Savannah Massage at Udom Suk 7, great B2 B massage, but pricy especially if you want to get FS, [URL]http://savannamassagebangkok.com/[/URL].

Aree Massage 2 at Suphaphong 3 Alley Lane 8 near Seacon Square and Srinakarin Soi 40, thai style B2 B, 1200 and 1600 THB, FS negiotiable for a surcharge.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2142637]
Second, you went to the wrong go-go bar area if you are trying to avoid bait-and-switch scams from non-barfinable Coyotes and hardcore Lady Drink only hustlers.[/QUOTE]A few years ago I made a note that there are only 4 bars at Soi Cowboy that do NOT have those dreadful coyotes: Crazy House, Baccara, Shark and Suzie Wong.
However this may not be totally up to date anymore and it also doesn't mean you won't be pestered to buy lady drinks.

Hi guys,

Hope you all are doing good, I am an Indian & would be travelling to Bangkok for the first time the sole purpose of my trip is mongering so would appreciate help from the seasoned mongers on where I can find good girls & what would be the prices by the way I have booked my hotel on Sukhumvit Soi 11 so Nana plaza & soi cowboy are close to me & also please advise which are the best night clubs in this area to pick up freelancers.

Thanks.

Happy mongering,

DannyBoy20.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2142735]A few years ago I made a note that there are only 4 bars at Soi Cowboy that do NOT have those dreadful coyotes: Crazy House, Baccara, Shark and Suzie Wong.
However this may not be totally up to date anymore and it also doesn't mean you won't be pestered to buy lady drinks.[/QUOTE]I have certainly managed to swing memorable or at least repeatable P4 P experiences in Soi Coyboy bars. But the dominant business model is very much what Appcer999 described; the soi is lined with scammer girls standing outside the bars that hired an agency to send them there to do nothing but make tourists think if they allow themselves to be dragged inside the bar and buy them Lady Drinks they might be able to take them away from the bar and have sex with them. Nope. That isn't what they were hired to do by the agency that employs them. Sure, everything and everyone has a price. Someone could come up with a number that all concerned would bow down and accept. But even then the girl does not fancy herself to be a hooker and the sex, if that's what it could be called, is likely to be dreadful.

Meanwhile, as you say, there are genuine go-go dancer P4 P girls in some of the bars. But the newbie can waste a lot of time and money on the more tempting scams before he gets to the real thing.

I just don't see that there is a Nana Plaza counterpart to that level of scam business model.

And I think that in large part is because of the location of each area. Soi Cowboy is easily visible from the most heavily trafficked intersection in Bangkok, Sukhumvit and Asok, also where the Skytrain and the Subway intersect. It can be spotted from the bts Skytrain platform. Naturally, it will lure newbies, tourists and the curious like no other go-go bar location in the City. The dominant business model is to hustle and scam as many transient tourists as possible as quickly as possible with little chance of having to engage with a disgruntled return customer tomorrow.

By contrast, you need to already know where Nana Plaza is in order to find it. You wouldn't stumble upon it on your way from one shopping mall to another. Yes, if you are sitting on a particular side of a bts train car as it passes Soi 4 at night, you might catch a glimpse of a few neon lit bars over there and walk back from the next station to check it out. But it is not a collection of bars that can count on catering to the one-time-only tourist who is practically asking to be fleeced as he passes through once. Nana Plaza relies much more on repeat customers in the know about Bkk's P4 P industry and expat customers. They can't get away with the scams Soi Coyboy does and stay in business long.

Late Edit: btw, the fact that there are many more freelancers strolling around the Nana Plaza area is more evidence that it is an area that caters more to the expat or experienced returning customer. Newbie tourists are far less likely to walk off with a freelancer they've met in the streets of Bkk to check into a short time room or back to their hotel room. But more experienced customers of Bkk's P4P scene are far more comfortable with the idea.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2142365]I was in Bangkok for few days 7-10/2, company work so they paid for everything barring 'Fucks', I stayed at hotel aloft purely for its location. Has good bars Aussie nice & genuine massages and excellent restaurants and lovely karaoke music.

Did pub hopping with local friends and drank a lot. Got a little tipsy so decided to look at climax late night. Just as I was stepping in saw 2 beauties indies outside. Confirmed services from 1 of the chicks, she was the better looking. Took her to my room on the 6th floor had a whirlpool on the deck. She liked it, cleaned herself up and I banged the shit out of her for the next few hours. Paid her about 4-4. 5 k for the session. She wanted to stay but I asked her to leave and confirmed her services for the next day. Told her to show up whenever I call her and she gladly did the following day. Next day her service levels were a notch higher. BBBJ, all positions, nice racks, smooth skin, no marks, could play with her ass but no anal allowed, of course DFK was on menu, overall rating 8. 5/10, looks 8. 5/10, service quality and GFE 8/10.

Next day decided to try someone else so went to Levels, local nightclub of the hotel and excellent rock music. Ordered a bottle of whiskey with a local friend and saw many indies hovering around our table. It was a single malt one of those expensive ones. Chatted with a few chicks but asking was really high. Went for a walk and this girl bumped into me deliberately and we got talking. She asked me to take her, was nothing great just above average but a nice slim tight athletic figure. She was my last option so said no for the time being. Around1/1. 30 am went back to her and confirmed her services. Said no for BBBJ and I told her we will see. Deal at 3 k. Went into the room, she brushed and showered and I saw a great body. Face 6/10 but body was like 9/10. My favorite with her was 69 and doggie, fingered her ass, she resisted initially but gave in later. Pussy was relatively tight, I don't think many fancied her but she was a good choice in the end. Her pussy was wet like a swimming pool, she wanted a 3 some with her friend and asked me if I was up for it, her friend needed to make some money. I was in no mood / energy for it. Politely declined. 2 sessions at night, woke up hard on and another session in the morning before she left. Tipped her well, served her light BF with breads and juice and she left. Forgot to take her digits, what a bum I am.

All in all a good weekend. Keep fucking and stay safe.[/QUOTE]Nice report on the FL discos scene. They are pretty rare on this board. I am happy to hear Climax is back in business. Is it still in the Ambassador hotel or have they moved?

[QUOTE=Appcer999;2142481]
Intend to try massage tomorrow, can anyone suggest any good one? Also I still want to try BJ bar, any recommendation?[/QUOTE]For "special massage" go take a look in Phrom Phong (soi 22-24-24/1-26). Snow White, Mango, Cherry, etc.

BJ Bar: Lo.Li.Tas (soi 8), Kasalong, Lollipop (soi 10), Som's Heaven (soi 14), Wood (soi 7/1), Star of Lights (Patpong).

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2142808]For "special massage" go take a look in Phrom Phong (soi 22-24-24/1-26). Snow White, Mango, Cherry, etc.

BJ Bar: Lo.Li.Tas (soi 8), Kasalong, Lollipop (soi 10), Som's Heaven (soi 14), Wood (soi 7/1), Star of Lights (Patpong).[/QUOTE]I think we should stop telling about "wood" (used to be best) but now by far the worst, no need to even talk about it, the costumer service is horrible, girls attitude flat out sucks, room flat out filthy, give 1000 be and no matter what girl you had never no change offered, what a shame could be a good set up again, but apparently their not interested in returning costumers, I even gave it a fair shot last trip and both times same same!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2139513]Depends on the venue. Some will suggest girls who will do that.[/QUOTE]Can you suggest some venues that would do this?

Took some advises from fellow ISGers, I went to Kasalong bar yesterday. The line up was "below average" and the bar inside is dead, pool table is covered, no music. The mamasan go straight to business as she as me if I want a blow job and let me chose the girl. There were 5-6 of them in total. I took the one that look just ok. We went upstairs to a private room. She ask for tip to remove her top which I agreed. The section was pretty quick as I cum after just 5 minutes (CIM) I think that might because of the oil she applied on my cock before BJ.

After Kasalong, I went to Prom Phong. The soi filled with massage shop and Japanese restaurant did not went to Snow White but I chose 101 premier just in the end of the soi. Mamasan gave me a catalogue which I refuse and ask for lineup. They called out there girls, there were about 15-20 of them again the line up was weak, I chose Fahsai, the one that look youngest small boob, possible baby damage IDK but pretty cute. Service was just nah, the girl did what I asked but she seem to be forced. I feel sorry for her so I let her finish early.

In total experience was so so but I still prefer these shop's way to do business rather than Soi cowboy.

No clue if they were open or closed. Just when I was going inside I saw these 2 girls hanging outside and I employed one of those. Still don't know about climax.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2142804]Nice report on the FL discos scene. They are pretty rare on this board. I am happy to hear Climax is back in business. Is it still in the Ambassador hotel or have they moved?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RacShack;2142871]I think we should stop telling about "wood" (used to be best) but now by far the worst, no need to even talk about it, the costumer service is horrible, girls attitude flat out sucks, room flat out filthy, give 1000 be and no matter what girl you had never no change offered, what a shame could be a good set up again, but apparently their not interested in returning costumers, I even gave it a fair shot last trip and both times same same![/QUOTE]Well, thanks. Good to know. I never been at Wood Bar. I just post a list of BJ Bars for Appcer999 without any particular recommendation on which BJ bars is better.

Saw these twins from Bangkok in a video.

There names could be Pir and Chompoo. Pir might work in a GoGo.

Has anyone come across them? Would like to meet.

Cheers.

This is from their website that they are closing their doors this April and their last day is April 25th, when they are having this massive closing party. It goes on to say that they hope to be back again soon. Anyone here having more info.?

[QUOTE=AnonMous;2143317]This is from their website that they are closing their doors this April and their last day is April 25th, when they are having this massive closing party. It goes on to say that they hope to be back again soon. Anyone here having more info.?[/QUOTE]Dude, I think that you should go to BKK more often.

[QUOTE=Zahle;2143321]Dude, I think that you should go to BKK more often.[/QUOTE]Was there last December but had no idea about this joint.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2143112]No clue if they were open or closed. Just when I was going inside I saw these 2 girls hanging outside and I employed one of those. Still don't know about climax.[/QUOTE]I thought Climax closed 10 months ago, perhaps I'm wrong.

Ambassador often has freelancers working outside. Occasionally they come inside looking for dates, typically walking around the shops between reception and the tower wing. Both real girls and ladyboys seem to hang between the main entrance and Soi 11.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2142804]Nice report on the FL discos scene. They are pretty rare on this board. I am happy to hear Climax is back in business. Is it still in the Ambassador hotel or have they moved?[/QUOTE]Around New Years, Climax at Ambassador was closed down, as was the place on Sukhumvit Soi 12 (old Insomnia?, literally torn down)

girls in the Ambassador parking lot are streetwalkers, not club girls.

Shock 39 was very lame the one night I popped by and Mixx was also on the lamer side.

The new places on Soi 11 seemed to be attracting the most customers (young farangs and Asians) with a smattering of working girls inside. (Insanity, Levels and Sugar).

Friday night starting around 9 PM I cruised in and out of a few go-go bars in Nana Plaza, not sure what kind of girl I was looking for but figured I would know it when I found her. Had a drink, my usual club soda these days, in Rainbow Bar on the ground floor. A few uninspiring lookers, none making contact with me. Stepped into and back our of Mandarin Bar up the second stairway. The girls looked young and slim as usual but behaved as though they were frightened of something. Sat in Diamond Bar (or whatever its name is) for a drink and there were a couple of real lookers in there but both were wearing pantyhose, never a good sign imo, and seemed bored as shit. The 2-3 less attractive but still doable girls were aggressively waving at me, pointing to each other, mimicking the "blowjob" gesture and tongue in cheek bit. Again, not inspired. Hadn't been in Spanky's for a long time even though the door girls are very aggressive about trying to entice you inside so I walked in and smiled but ignored the door girl insisting that I sit in the very first spot right inside the door. Instead, I began to walk further into the bar to an area where there were obviously many empty seats available and she yelled at me, "No, you can't!" So I turned on my heels and said, "ok, then I will leave. Thanks anyway."

Stepped into Butterflies on the top floor and was immediately struck by how many girls were on the stage, walking around, sitting on the stools lined up against the wall. And how young they looked. Oh, and not coincidentally how many customers were in there to enjoy the above. This place has gone through several incarnations just under the name Butterflies; first it had without doubt the homliest line up I have seen in a long time. Then that improved for a short while. Then it went back to the homely girls. Then it got busted for, what, staff visa and / or age related issues. This night it had the most girls I have ever seen in there and many looked sinfully young. Ok.

I sat in a couch and within a minute spied her. She was dancing topless in the bathtub / shower area. A cute little spinner, yummy butt, kissable doll face, almost no tits, the latter of which is going to be the case for younger go-go dancers unless their body type is predisposed to extra flesh already (and there are a few of those there too). She made eye contact with me but did not smile until I threw her my killer, confident and amused grin. Then her face broke into a much happier expression. We kept that up a bit then I gestured that I would buy her a Lady Drink and she seemed very pleased about that. Cuddled on the couch, lap dance, that yummy butt and impeccable skin rubbing on my crotch, kissing included gentlemanly tongue contact with hers responding nicely, she removed her top and encouraged groping and caressing anywhere. The young girl and huge guy on the couch next to mine were doing the same.

Before I got to my second Lady Drink offer to her, the server sat and asked if I wanted to barfine my lady. We hadn't mentioned it so I said "One moment." He politely got up and walked away. A few minutes after that, still no second Lady Drink, I asked her if she wanted to go barfine with me. She nodded yes and called over the server again. I asked how much for the barfine. He said, "Long time or Short time?" I asked her which she preferred. "Short Time". And I'm good with that too, especially my first time with a girl. 700 baht. I have no idea what the barfine here is if you're taking a girl for Long Time but figured we would work it out later if we changed our minds in my apartment. She got up and made the "I go change clothes now, ok?" gesture. No pressure or mention of that second Lady Drink. She came back cute as a bug's ear about 10 minutes later and off we went. Outside the bar, on the balcony area, she gave the Hall Pass to the Thai guy sitting and eating his dinner and took a cigarette out of a bag on the counter. Oh-oh. I didn't know she was a smoker, hadn't noticed anything about her breath, in her hair or on her clothes to indicate it. That was the only cigarette she had for the next 2+ hours, the whole time I was with her.

Taxi to my apartment. In the room, she was hesitant to take a shower. Bad omen. But I forged ahead and went about my usual routine of shower and setting up an area on my couch to eat her pussy for starters. It was when I sat her down for DATY that she brought up "How much?" for the first time. I asked her how much would make her happy tonight. She said "3,000". I flinched ever so slightly (a stall in order to do a quick cost-benefit calculation in my head re this particular girl, what I would probably pay for almost any go-go girl ST experience even if it was dismal, my own added surcharge if she allows this to be a REAL GFE by my standards and so on. I quickly decided 3,000 was at most 500 baht more than I would expect to pay for thoroughly enjoying it my way with this girl and if agreeing to her number clinches it immediately while my lips and tongue were mere inches from her lovely, sweet, nearly hairless naturally pussy and inspired her to hop off the stage to run over to me and throw her arms around me the next time I walk into her bar, I'm in). After that moment's thought, I countered with, "Well, so-and-so, if I gave you that much tonight I would need it to be for making love like a real boyfriend and girlfriend (I explained more specifically than that, but will leave it out here). She smiled and nodded in agreement. Ah, what a lovely night this is becoming. Back to the DATY. Delicious. She seems to have cum fairly quickly from DATY, but hard to tell since I believe she is a silent cummer.

In the bed she delivered a slow and gentle BBBJ as foreplay, got me up and hard as a steel spike (ok, the street vendor 100 MG Tadalafil tablet contributed a bit, too). I licked her pussy again for a moment and moved inside her glorious, snug, wet and wonderful pussy. She was cooperative all the way. She also seemed to (or pretended to) get closer and closer to cumming again, this time more audibly so and to a definite finish for her as I got closer to cumming myself. We exchanged Line info on the way out. I slipped another 100 baht into her hand as she got into a cab to return to the bar, which she didn't expect me to do, and off she went. She Lined me a couple of times since with the "anxious" character sticker, including last night. So I will have to return to Butterflies to see if that extra 500 baht more than I might have negotiated down to actually does prompt her to drop whatever she is doing to run over and throw her arms around me when I walk in. LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2143527]
It was when I sat her down for DATY that she brought up "How much?" for the first time. I asked her how much would make her happy tonight. She said "3,000". I flinched ever so slightly (a stall in order to do a quick cost-benefit calculation in my head re this particular girl, what I would probably pay for almost any go-go girl ST experience even if it was dismal, my own added surcharge if she allows this to be a REAL GFE by my standards and so on. I quickly decided 3,000 was at most 500 baht more than I would expect to pay for thoroughly enjoying it my way with this girl and if agreeing to her number clinches it immediately while my lips and tongue were mere inches from her lovely, sweet, nearly hairless naturally pussy and inspired her to hop off the stage to run over to me and throw her arms around me the next time I walk into her bar, I'm in). After that moment's thought, I countered with, "Well, so-and-so, if I gave you that much tonight I would need it to be for making love like a real boyfriend and girlfriend (I explained more specifically than that, but will leave it out here). She smiled and nodded in agreement.

[/QUOTE]Nice report ET. You've spoken highly of the Plaza these past few days so I am going to give it another hard look when I am back there in May. My previous trips I stopped in but never saw anything that made the little guy tingle. Cowboy has been good to me via Baccara and Dollhouse, but you did make a valid point regarding the differences in location.

Anyway, I'm glad it worked out for you with the girl; I would've done the same exact thing as you if in your shoes. At that point, having a shitty session vs GFE over 500 baht would just not be worth the time, effort, and money spent. I was a little surprised you didn't talk specifics at the bar, but I know we can all get hung up in the moment. Look forward to seeing your next report! I'm not much of a betting man, but I'd make a wager in favor of you that she'll show you some love next time you make an appearance.

Cheers,

Hardknock Lew.

[QUOTE=LewAshby;2143570]
I was a little surprised you didn't talk specifics at the bar, but I know we can all get hung up in the moment. Look forward to seeing your next report! I'm not much of a betting man, but I'd make a wager in favor of you that she'll show you some love next time you make an appearance.

Cheers,

Hardknock Lew.[/QUOTE]My usual method is to talk specifics in the bar IF the girl talks money in the bar and would have done it this time too if she had thrown out a number. The principle being a "How much you give me?" question from a P4 P girl is begging for a "That depends. For what?" response from the customer. And our brief exchange in the bar would have been essentially the same as it was in my room. But she didn't talk money in the bar.

Good luck on your next visit. For my REAL GFE needs, Nana Plaza generally works better for me than Soi Cowboy with no meaningful (to me) compromise on other factors like looks.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2143631]My usual method is to talk specifics in the bar IF the girl talks money in the bar and would have done it this time too if she had thrown out a number. The principle being a "How much you give me?" question from a P4 P girl is begging for a "That depends. For what?" response from the customer. And our brief exchange in the bar would have been essentially the same as it was in my room. But she didn't talk money in the bar.

Good luck on your next visit. For my REAL GFE needs, Nana Plaza generally works better for me than Soi Cowboy with no meaningful (to me) compromise on other factors like looks.[/QUOTE]Ahhh makes total sense. You savvy veteran you! I'm all about GFE so nana is back on the list!

All the best brother.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2143527]Stepped into Butterflies on the top floor and was immediately struck by how many girls were on the stage, walking around, sitting on the stools lined up against the wall. And how young they looked. Oh, and not coincidentally how many customers were in there to enjoy the above. This place has gone through several incarnations just under the name Butterflies; first it had without doubt the homliest line up I have seen in a long time. Then that improved for a short while. Then it went back to the homely girls. Then it got busted for, what, staff visa and / or age related issues. This night it had the most girls I have ever seen in there and many looked sinfully young. Ok.[/QUOTE]I have no where near your Bangkok experience, but, I can say that the Butterflies girls were wonderful during my November visits. My friend visited in January and had similar positive experiences.

My problem with Butterflies was the wait staff, especially mama. On my second night I left earlier than planned because they were overly aggressive demanding tips for doing nothing. The money was no big deal to me, but it was their attitude that I didn't like. That didn't really matter to me, by then I had my favorite girl's Line ID and we hooked up the following night in my hotel without involving the bar at all.

In November I was not as happy with the appearance of girls at most other Nana or Cowboy bars. IMHO, Butterflies stood out as having some of the best looking girls.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2143842]I have no where near your Bangkok experience, but, I can say that the Butterflies girls were wonderful during my November visits. My friend visited in January and had similar positive experiences.

My problem with Butterflies was the wait staff, especially mama. On my second night I left earlier than planned because they were overly aggressive demanding tips for doing nothing. The money was no big deal to me, but it was their attitude that I didn't like. That didn't really matter to me, by then I had my favorite girl's Line ID and we hooked up the following night in my hotel without involving the bar at all.

In November I was not as happy with the appearance of girls at most other Nana or Cowboy bars. IMHO, Butterflies stood out as having some of the best looking girls.[/QUOTE]I have had the aggressive tip requesting mamasan bit happen so many times in the bars I am sure it must have happened to me in Butterflies in the past. But I must say it didn't happen Friday night even though an old mamasan did approach me while I was sitting there waiting for my girl to change into her street clothes. But all she did was introduce herself and I pleasantly responded with my name. Even though she was not involved in the barfine payment transaction I was actually impressed that she didn't stick out her palm or pull down her blouse neckline for me to "insert unearned tip here". LOL. Assuming your and other customers decision to walk out in response to that kind of behavior helped to tone it down, thanks for that.

BTW, my usual response to the mamasan tip request is to throw my arms open and blow a mock kiss at her for doing nothing, which gets a laugh and then she drops the pretense. Although I have on rare occasion given one a 40 baht tip or even bought one or two a drink for reasons I don't recall at the moment except that maybe her demeanor or way of requesting was kind of cute or, more likely, that the girl I was taking for a second or third time made a special plea for me to do it.

I came to Thailand on a two week holiday. I posted my bad experience when trying to enter Crazy Horse so I decided to do all my hunting at beer complexes, beer bars. And clubs. I did pick one up at the mall so wanted to try Nana and a gogo. I followed three Asian guy into Twister which had a nice line up. I had three Asian guys at the table next to me and one Asian sat at the table with me who was a cool guy. He tried to let me know how things go in the club.

I had my eye on the thickest big booty chick on stage but she never looked at me. When the girls came off stage 6 girls went right for the three Asians and when I look next to me the Asian at my table had three sitting on the right of him. These guy on both sides of me was feeling these girls up and down an did not buy any lady drink and had there one drink in front of them they were not drinking. I was on my third drinking when I looked up the thick one came over and started rubbing her butt on me. I bought her and her friend a lady drink then bought the thick one three more after that. The three Asian guys left with those three full beers still on the table and the Asian guy sitting with me moved to the couch so he could continue to feel his girl up an down. I noticed he never touch the drink and I never saw the girl with a lady drink.

I decided to barfine my girl which was 1000 barfine 3000St 1250 drinks and 350 room. BBBJ 7/10 FS 7/10 DFK yes. I do understand why the Asian get the most attention in the gogo because that's the greatest percentage of customers in there and bars can't afford to get a bad review with them unless you are a Aussie bar. I really enjoyed my trip and planning to return.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2143842]My problem with Butterflies was the wait staff, especially mama. On my second night I left earlier than planned because they were overly aggressive demanding tips for doing nothing. The money was no big deal to me, but it was their attitude that I didn't like. [/QUOTE]You read all these reports of "the service was shitty so I tipped" or even "the service was great so I tipped" especially in countries were there is no tipping. It's doubled the price of pussy in Argentina in 5 years and now in Medellin chicks are asking for 3 X the house fee to do EXACTLY the same shit that two years ago they were doing for the house fee.

I read these reports and I'm like "fuck, stop doing that" because every time they do that tip becomes a part of the price for the next guy. Then when they come back in two years they are like "damn it got expensive here. " It's like going to buy a car and the sales guy says "yeah that car costs 40,000 bucks" and they say "but would you take 50,000 for it?

Agreed, it's not about the money I can afford 200 baht as well but the money becomes cumulative over time, your 200 baht. We have guys on different forums who used to say "the standard price for pussy the world over is 100 bucks" and now they say "the standard price for pussy the world over is 200 bucks" and I'm like if gas costs 2.20 in the US but 5.50 in Spain the next time you fill up your car will you insist on paying the average price for some other place?

What it really is, is the girls look, see a stupid falang that is afraid of women, so they scream "you pay me 5000 baht!!!!" and the guy says "ok." Then they have such contempt for them they give them shitty service, blame him for the bad time and the guy gives them MORE money to go away.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2144017]You read all these reports of "the service was shitty so I tipped" or even "the service was great so I tipped" especially in countries were there is no tipping. It's doubled the price of pussy in Argentina in 5 years and now in Medellin chicks are asking for 3 X the house fee to do EXACTLY the same shit that two years ago they were doing for the house fee.

I read these reports and I'm like "fuck, stop doing that" because every time they do that tip becomes a part of the price for the next guy. Then when they come back in two years they are like "damn it got expensive here. " It's like going to buy a car and the sales guy says "yeah that car costs 40,000 bucks" and they say "but would you take 50,000 for it?

Agreed, it's not about the money I can afford 200 baht as well but the money becomes cumulative over time, your 200 baht. We have guys on different forums who used to say "the standard price for pussy the world over is 100 bucks" and now they say "the standard price for pussy the world over is 200 bucks" and I'm like if gas costs 2.20 in the US but 5.50 in Spain the next time you fill up your car will you insist on paying the average price for some other place?

What it really is, is the girls look, see a stupid falang that is afraid of women, so they scream "you pay me 5000 baht!!!!" and the guy says "ok." Then they have such contempt for them they give them shitty service, blame him for the bad time and the guy gives them MORE money to go away.[/QUOTE]Great post and oh so true. Guys paying the full amount for services not delivered and tipping for mediocre performance. It's amazing.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2143899]
... or, more likely, that the girl I was taking for a second or third time made a special plea for me to do it.[/QUOTE]This is what I hate. You've picked your girl for bar fine, maybe even cut a deal, and all of a sudden she tells you to tip everybody else in the bar. Mama. Waitress. Bartender. Friend #1. Friend #2. You never know when it will end because they come sequentially and you don't know the sequence. You are thinking with the little head. I got sucked into this once on Cowboy. Another time I tipped mama and refused some others, not sure if my cheapness degraded her performance in the room. Haven't done this enough to say I have a normal practice for this situation.

There are other times when I think how much I have in my life and how little they have. A few baht tip means something real to them, but it took me about 1 minute to earn in USA. Then I remind myself that I don't want to be part of increasing the overall Thailand vacation pricing.

I am not consistent with my tipping.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2144125]This is what I hate. You've picked your girl for bar fine, maybe even cut a deal, and all of a sudden she tells you to tip everybody else in the bar. Mama. Waitress. Bartender. Friend #1. Friend #2. You never know when it will end because they come sequentially and you don't know the sequence. You are thinking with the little head. I got sucked into this once on Cowboy. Another time I tipped mama and refused some others, not sure if my cheapness degraded her performance in the room. Haven't done this enough to say I have a normal practice for this situation.

There are other times when I think how much I have in my life and how little they have. A few baht tip means something real to them, but it took me about 1 minute to earn in USA. Then I remind myself that I don't want to be part of increasing the overall Thailand vacation pricing.

I am not consistent with my tipping.[/QUOTE]The rare times I have tipped a mamasan or bought one a drink has been because I either genuinely appreciated where she led me in terms of bringing a girl to me the previous time or I wanted to chat with her (buying her a LD) or, as you mentioned, when the girl seemed to really want me to. And in the latter case, I don't think I ever did it other than with a girl I'd been with before. I don't usually find most girls behaving like they give a damn whether I buy the insistent mamasan a drink or give her a tip. Most of the time they just sit there with a vague smile on their face and leave it up to me to say yes or no. And I say no except for the 2-3 exceptions I mentioned.

On tipping in Thailand in general; for P4 P activities I sometimes tip for "taxi fare" at 100 baht or less, but not if I feel I already paid her generously and usually not unless she asks for it. Of course, if she asks for a tip after I have already paid her generously I will probably never take her again unless she really rocked my world.

I don't know if anyone considers an Extra Service "surcharge" to be a tip, but I am fine with adding anywhere from 500-1000 baht above the going rate, depending on how hot I am for the girl, as a leg opener for what I consider a REAL GFE. I am talking about the specific activity kind of REAL GFE you will not find listed on any Escort profile, MP menu, etc. I could give it as a tip afterwards if there was any chance that I could finish with or without coverage anyway. But I cannot. Therefore, it is negotiated beforehand along with whatever particulars must be explained and not given afterwards as a tip because I want to know before I am about to enter Heaven's Gate that all things will not come to a sudden halt at that moment in order to have a lengthy discussion about condoms, disease, death, 1000 nuns and babies being eaten by rats and the end of humanity as we know it.

In BJ Bars, I will usually leave small change in the folder for the cashier and hand the girl an additional 100-200 baht if she was truly sweet about her treatment of me.

Tipping elsewhere; In Thai restaurants I will leave small change from a check bin, less than 10-15 baht. If no small change is left, I will not dig in to come up with something unless I just want to unload a pocketful of single baht coins. However, if it is a Western restaurant where the staff must and actually does know what the word "ketchup" means, what "scrambled eggs" are, the meaning of burger "no onions" and so on, I will tip about 10% or so. The reason being this establishment must hire a "skilled" staff who knows some English and is capable and interested in learning about menu items they might never have heard of before. They cannot just hire the next Thai person off the street. So, whoever gets that tip or shares it had to make an extra effort to make that happen.

Taxi drivers I will tip only if it is easier to round up to the next whole coin I've got in my pocket. Sometimes, when the girl I am with has struck up a conversation with the taxi driver and, lo and behold, it turns out they are long lost cousins from the same Northern province (haha), she will want me to tip the guy another 20 baht note or something. I don't like it, but will do it rather than have a confrontation about it in the back seat of a taxi.

Speaking of tipping, I had one of the waitresses who maintained the queue of guys on the list to play billiards ask me for a drink. I refused that. No surprise, my name never came to the front of the queue to play billiards.

Funny! I recently booked a massage at one of the massage places I frequent. My favourite girls were not working. One of my rejects happens to be one of the few English speakers so she said a very pretty young one will be available at the appointed time. At the appointed time, neither the appointment nor a very pretty one were there!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2144306]Speaking of tipping, I had one of the waitresses who maintained the queue of guys on the list to play billiards ask me for a drink. I refused that. No surprise, my name never came to the front of the queue to play billiards.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2144306]Speaking of tipping, I had one of the waitresses who maintained the queue of guys on the list to play billiards ask me for a drink. I refused that. No surprise, my name never came to the front of the queue to play billiards.[/QUOTE]I was told on my last trip that if you leave change or tip on the check tray intending to go to the server that is does not get to them, house rules "any money left with check goes to the house" so it is best to hand the money to the server if you want them to get it. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2144306]Speaking of tipping, I had one of the waitresses who maintained the queue of guys on the list to play billiards ask me for a drink. I refused that. No surprise, my name never came to the front of the queue to play billiards.[/QUOTE]If you greased the lady in charge you would have been next on the table. I'm surprised that with your experience in Asia that you would decline buying her a drink. Woman in power at any level demand respect.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2144582]If you greased the lady in charge you would have been next on the table. I'm surprised that with your experience in Asia that you would decline buying her a drink. Woman in power at any level demand respect.

RL.[/QUOTE]So true. I wasn't too anxious to play anyway. I was sitting with a little cutie. I just found it amusing that my name didn't reach the top the entire night. I didn't see those other guys buying her drinks either though, so I'm not sure what was going on with that. I think it's just because she specifically asked me to buy her one and I declined. Since I go in there often and joke around with the entire staff and throw money around like an idiot often, I think she felt comfortable asking me and got her feelings hurt when I didn't agree to the drink.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2144516]I was told on my last trip that if you leave change or tip on the check tray intending to go to the server that is does not get to them, house rules "any money left with check goes to the house" so it is best to hand the money to the server if you want them to get it. YMMV.[/QUOTE]I think that is mostly true. In fact, even if you hand it to the server some or all of it might wind up with the house anyway. But assuming the server does get to keep it when you hand it to them, it is interesting to me that, for the most part, servers in Thailand venues where tipping is commonly done don't seem to care whether you leave it in the tray/book or hand it to them personally. I mean, they might seem pleased that you acknowledged them personally or made the effort, but don't seem to send any signals for a preference one way or the other over how or if you leave a tip.

They also don't seem to care if another server who hasn't even looked your way all night is the one who collects the bill and, therefore, MIGHT get a tip handed to them instead of the one who was circling back and forth with your drinks over the past 2 hours. So in those cases, either all tip money goes to the house or all tip money goes into a common kitty for all the servers to share. It is puzzling sometimes.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2144582]If you greased the lady in charge you would have been next on the table. I'm surprised that with your experience in Asia that you would decline buying her a drink. Woman in power at any level demand respect.[/QUOTE]A "tip" is discretionary and left for good service after the fact. If you pay it beforehand to skip the queue, it's not a "tip", it's a bribe. Honestly, I don't care to have a Thai waitress have "power at any level" over me, and "respect" is earned.

Personally, I'd just ignore her as OP did or go to another venue.

Hmmm. IMHO But many girls have power over you because of what is on their chest and between your legs.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2144710]A "tip" is discretionary and left for good service after the fact. If you pay it beforehand to skip the queue, it's not a "tip", it's a bribe. Honestly, I don't care to have a Thai waitress have "power at any level" over me, and "respect" is earned.

Personally, I'd just ignore her as OP did or go to another venue.[/QUOTE]From my experience, I can tell you if you reject or change your mind about screwing a girl, she does not take it well, usually. In my case, I would say 80% of the time, the girl will shut the door on you the next time, if for nothing else but to get even. It happened just this week with two girls this past week.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2144586]So true. I wasn't too anxious to play anyway. I was sitting with a little cutie. I just found it amusing that my name didn't reach the top the entire night. I didn't see those other guys buying her drinks either though, so I'm not sure what was going on with that. I think it's just because she specifically asked me to buy her one and I declined. Since I go in there often and joke around with the entire staff and throw money around like an idiot often, I think she felt comfortable asking me and got her feelings hurt when I didn't agree to the drink.[/QUOTE]I used to do that in my apartment.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2144516]I was told on my last trip that if you leave change or tip on the check tray intending to go to the server that is does not get to them, house rules "any money left with check goes to the house" so it is best to hand the money to the server if you want them to get it. YMMV.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wimble;2144728]
From my experience, I can tell you if you reject or change your mind about screwing a girl, she does not take it well, usually. In my case, I would say 80% of the time, the girl will shut the door on you the next time, if for nothing else but to get even. It happened just this week with two girls this past week.[/QUOTE]No worries. I have no intention on screwing the girl in charge of the billiard table queue in that bar. She's not even remotely attractive.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2144954]No worries. I have no intention on screwing the girl in charge of the billiard table queue in that bar. She's not even remotely attractive.[/QUOTE]She knows you are a regular and knew that you were generous with others. She was trying to bond with you and wanted you to scratch her back and in turn you would have moved up the queue.

And to Croc, if they don't have the power, why are we paying so much to get laid? That pussy has power. That reminds me of the joke, the little boy says "I bet you don't have one of these", as he shows her his cock, and she answers " no, but with this I can get as many of those as I want". Nuf said.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2144996]She knows you are a regular and knew that you were generous with others. She was trying to bond with you and wanted you to scratch her back and in turn you would have moved up the queue.[/QUOTE]And she would have then asked me for a drink every time thereafter. No thanks. I'm happy with the way things played out. I am not any big billiards fanatic. The only time I truly care to play pool there is when I am playing with one of the cute girls in the bar. I just like to watch them bend over. I'll grab a cutie and ask her to play pool when the table is empty (which is most of the time when I am in there). That particular evening, there were a lot of people (mostly guys) playing pool so there was a queue. The one who recommended my name getting on the list that evening was the same one who asked me for a drink. I wasn't really too interested in playing. The funny thing was she didn't ask me to buy her a drink when she first put my name on the list, she asked me a bit later.

Fellow Seniors on the forum, Needed one quick suggestion on a good soapies massage place (understand reading the forum would be best, but have only 12 hours in BKK, and needed a sure shot place with good service, thought will ask seniors directly). Only two constraints, ladies need to be young (20-25) and CIM should be allowed. I heard Tulip has mostly mature ladies and Annies service quality has gone down. Please suggest me any good place and typical damage. Would definitely post FR / Help with other contacts.

Really appreciate your help!

Safe Mondering,

LC.

Was passing though Bangkok a couple of weeks back, and though it was tempted to do a smooci during afternoon, I didn't find anything that I looked like a must-do, so decided to go get a 4 hand massage in the afternoon and then hang out at Crazy House later.

As I read somehwere that a couple of the happy ending massage parlors down Soi 22 are having glory hole tables, I went there to give it a try. Before I went in, I sat at the bar on the corner and had a beer. The place offered a good view of the entrances to the massage place in the small side soi that's lined with the happy ending places. So while having my beer I could see some of the girls coming and going to paradise massage, which was the place I had set my eyes on. Ok girls coming out, so after finishing my beer, I went across the side soi and went inside. I ordered a 1 hour 4-hand massage with BJ and 2 naked girls. Once in the room, I showered and got on the table, which did feature a glory hole. The girls came in wearing towels, but dropped them quickly and didn't seem to shy. One was slightly plum, probably around 30 and with good sized natural tits. The other was younger, early 20's, nice slim body and really nice perky tits. I got myself positioned on the table and they both got working on massaging my legs and back, grabbing my balls every now and then. After a while with a very nice massage the younger girl got under the table and started giving my a BBBJ, while the older girl continued the massage. The BJ was well done. And she kept stopping just before I was done, prolonging the session. Eventually I finished CIM. Very nice experience. They asked me if I wanted a second shot, but I declined and had a good rub for the remainder of the time.

Went back to my hotel, went out for dinner and then headed for Crazy House. It was not too later, so the place wasnt too crowded, and I got a good seat next to the stairs to the stage, so I could get a good look at the girls whenever they shifted. The lineup was less good than my previous visits, but still a few fuckables. After a while I noticed a girl in very early twenties, who was tall and slim with small tits, but with marked hips, which is a body type I prefer. She had the miniskirt sat high, so I could also spot a nice looking pussy which was trimmed, but not clean shaven. I like that.

So I made eye contact and offered her a drink when she came off stage. She spoke OK english, was nice and smiley, so chemistry was fine. After a couple of drinks I barfined her and we headed of to my hotel. In the taxi I asked how long she had worked at CH, and when she answered: 1 week, I was getting a bit worried how this was going to fan out. When we got to the hotel room, she got showering and onto the bad. She didn't seem too shy, so I though that was a good sign. She got me hard, covered and applied a lot of lube, then pulled me over her. Very nice moving, but after labout one minut she pulls my dick out, looks at it and asks: are you finished? I was comical so I almost started laughing, but said no honey not that quick. This was then repeated several times every few minutes. And after maybe 10-15 minutes, she said she was getting sore. The whole thing was a bit comical, so I just asked her to give me a hand job and be done with it. Not the greatest of experiences, don't think I would want to take anyone that fresh ever again.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2145429]As I read somehwere that a couple of the happy ending massage parlors down Soi 22 are having glory hole tables, I went there to give it a try.

I asked how long she had worked at CH, and when she answered: 1 week, I was getting a bit worried how this was going to fan out. [/QUOTE]I don't know what a glory hole table is but it sounds like fun. Your Crazy House girl may not have been as inexperienced as you think. She may not have been truthful about working there for only one week. These girls lie all the time.

DOH!

I just realized that Thursday March 1, the day I get to town, is a holiday.

Does anyone know if bars and discos will open at midnight? Or will they stay closed all night?

[QUOTE=Allover;2145844]I don't know what a glory hole table is but it sounds like fun..[/QUOTE]Check this website just for example [URL]https://www.bangkokmilkingtable.com/choose-experts[/URL].

I never tried their service, so I don't have more info.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2145887]DOH!
I just realized that Thursday March 1, the day I get to town, is a holiday.
Does anyone know if bars and discos will open at midnight? Or will they stay closed all night?[/QUOTE]Check this website to know about public holidays and bar clousures in Thailand [URL]http://www.boomboomme.com/resources/holidays/thailand/[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2145902]Check this website to know about public holidays and bar clousures in Thailand [URL]http://www.boomboomme.com/resources/holidays/thailand/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Thanks this is a very useful resource!

It looks like this one of the more important and restrictive religious holidays so I guess I can't really expect much.

Shocking! Tell me that is not so!

[QUOTE=Allover;2145844]Your Crazy House girl may not have been as inexperienced as you think. She may not have been truthful about working there for only one week. These girls lie all the time.[/QUOTE]IMHO, Glory Hole is just that. I hole through which a "sausage" is put through. Google is your friend. At least you can be somewhat certain who was performing deed. LOL!

[QUOTE=Allover;2145844]I don't know what a glory hole table is but it sounds like fun.[/QUOTE]

My first visit to Bangkok was in the 80's and my first hit was at Annies. Every time I touch down I tend to go there as my first stop, service is always passable and the price fixed a great place to go to get your eye in before heading up the level of difficultly ladder.

So I head there late last week, first thing I notice is the sign "1973" as you turn the corner into the carpark of the hotel. The first thing I always think when entering the actual building is yeah that really haven't renovated the place since "73". Each time I go there it is just more and more worn out. When you are in the rooms the only thing that looks like it is holding them together is the brown shiny tape from the same era which almost matches perfectly the brown formica used to decorate the rooms that was so popular in the 70's and 80's. The place is clean enough though just really old.

So enter the door, turn right and sit in front of the fish bowl. This is early afternoon and about 12 present, 2 were very doable and 10 not really. I did a couple of scans and 1 of the 2 hotties had a really warm cute smile when my eyes would pass her. So number 32 was it (photos are on annies website).

We go to the room and time for a soap so I jump on the mattress that looks the same as the one from my first visit, judging by the bits of foam coming out the ends it could well be the very exact same one. 32 jumps on top of me and gives me a bit of a body rub, this never does much for me so I go through the motions and get into the bath tub after about 5 minutes.

32 dives in and comes up between my legs and starts sucking away all the while looking up at my eyes with a half innocent (I know she is not but.) smile on her face. I react a little with the same, she ends up spending about 20 minutes bobbing away and judging by the way she sped up to the end was wanting for me to shoot my load, possibly in her mouth, but I am tired and am thinking of having just one shot so I save it for the bed.

We move to the bed and she continues with a really good BBBJ. I start playing with her pussy and get a finger stuck up her ass to which she doesn't complain at all. Probably dug a little bit too deep as I hit a lump of coal, not that great but I guess if you do the crime sometimes you have to do the time.

I end up shooting all over her and well everywhere really. First decent shot I had had in a week so even kind of surprised myself. She gave me a bit of a massage and then started to jerk me off again for a second shot but I was knackered from the travelling so stopped things as I thought I probably would not have shot again and didn't want to walk around with that "I really need to shoot a load but can't feeling" all night.

All in all 32 was awesome, attractive and slim, great attitude and service and 10/10 for the experience.

Next stop for me was the clubs out along Ratchadaphisek Rd in the Huai Khwang district. You basically get off the MRT at that station and walk along the Road stopping in at each club you want. I started at the other end and worked my way back, First stop was Poseidon Entertainment Complex. Now I have never been there before but fuck me the size of the building is impressive, 10 stories high and a big long building, not a thin tall tower but a true mega center. So I go in on the first floor, turn to the left and there is not a glass fish bowl like Annies but basically a roped off area where about 40 ladies sat. I sat in front of them in one of the you shaped seats that would fit about 6 I guess. I grabbed a beer which was about 150 be from memory although I put down 200 be and left it at that.

The first thing I noticed with the line up was that the girls kind of looked different, they obviously are selected for the looks that the average Asian tourist likes of which make up 95% of the mongers there are. The look really didn't do much for me. There was one cute there that walked in front of me a few times and I would have grabbed her but she was in the process of being taken so that was that. No one else really appealed so I asked to be taken to the "Model" section up on level 3. I if I get the exact name and level wrong please excuse me as I had a had a few beers and am writing this from memory.

Now the girls on the first level were 3300 I believe and the girls upstairs started at about that, maybe a touch more and went up to 9000 or more. I am only in town for a week or so, so even 10,000 is not a huge deal, don't get me wrong I prefer to pay less but if she is a superstar I could be persuaded to high roll every now and then. A genuine superstar at 10,000 which is only $300 still represents value for a westerner. However the model level girls appeared to be just the same as the girls on level 1 in looks except they were decidedly older. That presents little value to me so I headed down the road.

I check out a few ordinary places along the way and the come across Emmanuel is again a big building, not nearly as big as Poseidon but the big enough. There was probably 30 ladies present, each one had a letter or 2 letters above there number to which you matched this code with a piece of paper on the table where you sit. I think the first letter was S or SL which was 3600 and they went down to X or XY which was just under 10,000.

Emmanuel definitely had better looking girls than Poseidon but all had white skin, fake tities, weird looking Michael Jackson noses and all the features I guess the staple of Asian business mongers prefer. I don't like that look at all and was kind of weirded out by it all. Adding to this I had walked to several clubs, had a beer in each one and was a bit over it by the time I hit Emmanuel. There was however 3 very doable girls there, one in the 3600 range, 1 in the 5500 range and 1 in the 8500 area. IMHO the price of the girl had nothing to do with the looks and a few of the high end girls were definitely average, average at best. So I ended up leaving, having a few more beers on the way back to Siam and called it a night.

Update: Walked past Annies yesterday and yes it it closed down, kind of sad to see completely dark amongst the gleaming neon of Bangkok.

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2146710]My first visit to Bangkok was in the 80's and my first hit was at Annies. Every time I touch down I tend to go there as my first stop....

So enter the door, turn right and sit in front of the fish bowl. This is early afternoon and about 12 present, 2 were very doable and 10 not really. I did a couple of scans and 1 of the 2 hotties had a really warm cute smile when my eyes would pass her. So number 32 was it (photos are on annies website).

All in all 32 was awesome, attractive young and slim, great attitude and service and 10/10 for the experience.[/QUOTE]Even though I may or may not agree with your findings and description of the girl. You gave members a way to "find" the girl like her work identification number and her place of work, along with all the services provided by her. This way if I wanted to hunt her down and enjoy her company, I am able to. I commend you on your report. Too many people on here just write up on girls that nobody can track down. No name, no number, no place of work, no photo. Nada.

With Soi Cowboy closing at midnight for Wisakha Bucha holiday, it was a bit dreary and line ups were below average, minus my fav girls.

Now the interesting bit (for some). Much earlier than midnight, all of the "Arab's" bars were closed, dark, and entrance gate chained. Seems like there was a police raid or inspection, since gossip experts in the Soi were not aware or only just finding out.

"The Arab's" bars are: Sahara, Midnite, Spice Girls, Kiss and Deja Vu. Yep all closed and dark. Will be interesting to see if they reopen on Friday, although I won't be here to notice.

These bars would not be raided for prostitution reasons. It was Rumoured "The Arab" was absolutely against prostitution. LOL Perhaps into something else more sinister? The police investigation is much more likely to be about business records, tax matters, or even money laundering, since his clubs were never seen to have enough business to be viable.

Personally I hope his clubs stay closed, although I suppose they would be only replaced by more Coyote dominated clubs, given the trend in the Cowboy. Clubs get forced to hire Coyotes, mainly because customers would not go into clubs with only ugly go go girls. I am yet to want to start paying 2000 Baht barfines for girl supposed to be Coyotes but really only just pretentious hookers, with looks on average a cut above the gogo girls. I hope more Ladyboy clubs are not coming. That would be a bitter pill.

Sad to say that sharks was well over 60% "Coyotes" tonight. Less than 50% of those I would rate as at all pretty. Some girls become Coyotes merely to keep their tits well hidden. Meanwhile little bars like Jungle Jims (as example) etc. Have been forced to hire Coyotes from the agency, otherwise might have too few customers coming in. Some could argue that fuckable Coyotes is better than the Arab's Coyotes, however I don't want to gamble 2 K on BF for a girl that may turn out to be crap and may have horrible tits under her double layer bra. I will tolerate Coyotes that are educated and smart enough to have a decent conversation with, who don't do sex. If not they need to be worthwhile for sexual purposes.

As the whole mongering scene is in decline, my focus on mongering is also in steep decline. I will be in Bangkok much more rarely, as other interests take over.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2145887]DOH!

I just realized that Thursday March 1, the day I get to town, is a holiday.

Does anyone know if bars and discos will open at midnight? Or will they stay closed all night?[/QUOTE]Uncle V,

I very much doubt that many bars will open after midnight, it does not leave enough chance to make money. Crazy House will stay closed all Thursday night and reopen Friday night. That came from the CH boss who is probably reliable.

You do have options of MPs on bar closure days. It is not the end of the world. You must also have some regular girls. I can meet a girl in a Hotel Thursday night. No problem. I bet you don't take exclusively bar girls every night. Even freelancers is possible. I could not find a bar girl not already taken that I wanted this Wed night before the midnight closure.

There is no time of day when it is impossible to get a fuck in Thailand.

I pity the guy who had a two hour leave pass from his wife, and he wanted to take in a few raunchy bars in Cowboy, but arrived about 1AM, when all was dark. Who knows when his next leave pass is. He better reserve carefully the right time, for next visit. This is not speculation. I actually met such a guy and chatted to him. He had low English, but could speak Thai (unfortunately only about as good as his English). So he really struggled to understand when I said the bars would be open Friday (in both Languages).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2146946]
Now the interesting bit (for some). Much earlier than midnight, all of the "Arab's" bars were closed, dark, and entrance gate chained. Seems like there was a police raid or inspection, since gossip experts in the Soi were not aware or only just finding out.

"The Arab's" bars are: Sahara, Midnite, Spice Girls, Kiss and Deja Vu. Yep all closed and dark. Will be interesting to see if they reopen on Friday, although I won't be here to notice.

These bars would not be raided for prostitution reasons. It was Rumoured "The Arab" was absolutely against prostitution. LOL Perhaps into something else more sinister? The police investigation is much more likely to be about business records, tax matters, or even money laundering, since his clubs were never seen to have enough business to be viable.

Personally I hope his clubs stay closed, although I suppose they would be only replaced by more Coyote dominated clubs, given the trend in the Cowboy. Clubs get forced to hire Coyotes, mainly because customers would not go into clubs with only ugly go go girls. I am yet to want to start paying 2000 Baht barfines for girl supposed to be Coyotes but really only just pretentious hookers, with looks on average a cut above the gogo girls.[/QUOTE]I think the Arab was the one who started that Coyote crap. I am with you, if they close all of his bars I think it would be a good thing.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2146997]I think the Arab was the one who started that Coyote crap. I am with you, if they close all of his bars I think it would be a good thing.[/QUOTE]I got taken in by a Coyote in Kiss, wasn't too expensive, but fuck all that. I know you guys know how it works, I went in, she starts grinding on my lap, I pay 400 baht for a drink for her and ask "how much for a short time" and she answers with "no boom boom, only dancing. ".

I got up and left.

For the guys like me who didn't understand what a Coyote is it's a prostitute that walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, but doesn't fuck like a duck.

I hope they stay closed forever and all of them end up working in MP's.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2146946]With Soi Cowboy closing at midnight for Wisakha Bucha holiday, it was a bit dreary and line ups were below average, minus my fav girls.
[/QUOTE]Of course it is Makha Bucha holiday today, starting from midnight last night. Anyone would know that Wisakha Bucha is actually 29 May this year right? LOL Not quite obvious. Maybe the taxi driver told me the wrong one.

I spell these special days according to sound (less stupid ways). No point to use a letter V when that sound does not exist in Thai language.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2147021] I pay 400 baht for a drink for her and ask "how much for a short time" and she answers with "no boom boom, only dancing. "[/QUOTE]400 baht for a drink? No chance unless it's 1 drink every 30-60 minutes, she is hot as hell, mutual groping everywhere, and it's continuous DFK.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2147146]400 baht for a drink? No chance unless it's 1 drink every 30-60 minutes, she is hot as hell, mutual groping everywhere, and it's continuous DFK.[/QUOTE]The coyotes are usually younger and sexier and can be barfined even at all the Man from Iran's clubs in Soi Cowboy. Coyotes still go with customers, it's just they can use that excuse to be pickier. You have to proceed this way. If one grabs you as you walk by, and she catches your attention, you ask "are you able to bar fine and how much?" If she says no, you move on. If she says "yes," you go and drink with her. Before she orders the first drink, you call mamasan over and pay the barfine. Then hang out and have a few drinks with her before going to off to fuck her. Drinks are 200 baht, but they like to do the tequila chased with a Coke. That's 200 + 200. That's how you deal with those coyotes. Simple as that. Most guys don't want to be that straight forward because they are afraid they might get their egos hurt. They want to believe the girls actually likes them. Are guys here to get laid or fall in love?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2146949]Uncle V,

I very much doubt that many bars will open after midnight, it does not leave enough chance to make money. Crazy House will stay closed all Thursday night and reopen Friday night. That came from the CH boss who is probably reliable.

You do have options of MPs on bar closure days. It is not the end of the world. You must also have some regular girls. I can meet a girl in a Hotel Thursday night. No problem. I bet you don't take exclusively bar girls every night. Even freelancers is possible. I could not find a bar girl not already taken that I wanted this Wed night before the midnight closure.

There is no time of day when it is impossible to get a fuck in Thailand.

I pity the guy who had a two hour leave pass from his wife, and he wanted to take in a few raunchy bars in Cowboy, but arrived about 1AM, when all was dark. Who knows when his next leave pass is. He better reserve carefully the right time, for next visit. This is not speculation. I actually met such a guy and chatted to him. He had low English, but could speak Thai (unfortunately only about as good as his English). So he really struggled to understand when I said the bars would be open Friday (in both Languages).[/QUOTE]Thanks Syzgies.

Yes I'm battening down the hatches and waiting for a "regular" to come over.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2145887]DOH!

I just realized that Thursday March 1, the day I get to town, is a holiday.

Does anyone know if bars and discos will open at midnight? Or will they stay closed all night?[/QUOTE]I saw signs in both Thai and English on some of the outside Nana Plaza/Soi 4 beer bars that they will be open at Midnight tonight, Thursday night, right about now in fact. I think they were the Hillary Bars but might have meant all of those Soi 4 outside beer bars. I didn't pass by any of the Nana Plaza go-go bars so I didn't see any signs. No noticeable signs about it on Soi Cowboy bars tonight. I am back in my room now so I don't know if those Nana Plaza/Soi 4 beer bar signs were correct or not. Then again, if you are cruising around that area right now you would know if they are open or not without reading about it here on this site. LOL.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2147168]The coyotes are usually younger and sexier and can be barfined even at all the Man from Iran's clubs in Soi Cowboy. Coyotes still go with customers, it's just they can use that excuse to be pickier. You have to proceed this way. If one grabs you as you walk by, and she catches your attention, you ask "are you able to bar fine and how much?" If she says no, you move on. If she says "yes," you go and drink with her. Before she orders the first drink, you call mamasan over and pay the barfine. Then hang out and have a few drinks with her before going to off to fuck her. Drinks are 200 baht, but they like to do the tequila chased with a Coke. That's 200 + 200. That's how you deal with those coyotes. Simple as that. Most guys don't want to be that straight forward because they are afraid they might get their egos hurt. They want to believe the girls actually likes them. Are guys here to get laid or fall in love?[/QUOTE]I really like this approach. Cut to the chase. If she's lying about barfining or wanting to go with you she'll make an excuse about not being able to go with you. Your out nothing. Your actually wasting more money buying ladydrinks just to grope and kiss if your not actually completing the purchase.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2147326]I really like this approach. Cut to the chase. If she's lying about barfining or wanting to go with you she'll make an excuse about not being able to go with you. Your out nothing. Your actually wasting more money buying ladydrinks just to grope and kiss if your not actually completing the purchase.[/QUOTE]Try it. If you ask those Coyotes if you can bar fine them, most will answer no. The ones who say yes will want more money than the regular girls, and bar fines for Coyote girls are higher than the regular girls as well. And in many places, a drink for a Coyote girl is actually more expensive than for the other girls. I avoid them now out of principle, but I've bar fined some extremely hot Coyote girls over the years, and will admit they are normally hotter than the other girls working these days. But overall, I don't think it's a good thing having them around at all. They are more bad than good because the bars don't have to focus as much on getting more girls who are guaranteed to have sex with the customers. Back in the days when there were zero Coyote dancers, there were just as many hot girls working those bars as there are now. Maybe more.

Personally, I'd rather just see Coyotes disappear from the scene completely. It would be a good thing if everyone boycotted giving those girls any money at all.

These days, the only question I ask them is "Are you a Coyote"? If the answer is yes, I move on to find a girl who is not.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2147410]Try it. If you ask those Coyotes if you can bar fine them, most will answer no. The ones who say yes will want more money than the regular girls, and bar fines for Coyote girls are higher than the regular girls as well. And in many places, a drink for a Coyote girl is actually more expensive than for the other girls. I avoid them now out of principle, but I've bar fined some extremely hot Coyote girls over the years, and will admit they are normally hotter than the other girls working these days. But overall, I don't think it's a good thing having them around at all. They are more bad than good because the bars don't have to focus as much on getting more girls who are guaranteed to have sex with the customers. Back in the days when there were zero Coyote dancers, there were just as many hot girls working those bars as there are now. Maybe more.

Personally, I'd rather just see Coyotes disappear from the scene completely. It would be a good thing if everyone boycotted giving those girls any money at all.

These days, the only question I ask them is "Are you a Coyote"? If the answer is yes, I move on to find a girl who is not.[/QUOTE]Is there no way to see if a girl is a coyote or not? Does coyotes have a number tag also?

As you guys already said you can always ask straight up, but I was just wondering if there is a way to spot a Coyote straight away?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2147410]Try it. If you ask those Coyotes if you can bar fine them, most will answer no. The ones who say yes will want more money than the regular girls, and bar fines for Coyote girls are higher than the regular girls as well. And in many places, a drink for a Coyote girl is actually more expensive than for the other girls. I avoid them now out of principle, but I've bar fined some extremely hot Coyote girls over the years, and will admit they are normally hotter than the other girls working these days. But overall, I don't think it's a good thing having them around at all. They are more bad than good because the bars don't have to focus as much on getting more girls who are guaranteed to have sex with the customers. Back in the days when there were zero Coyote dancers, there were just as many hot girls working those bars as there are now. Maybe more.

Personally, I'd rather just see Coyotes disappear from the scene completely. It would be a good thing if everyone boycotted giving those girls any money at all.

These days, the only question I ask them is "Are you a Coyote"? If the answer is yes, I move on to find a girl who is not.[/QUOTE]I'd agree. It has done nothing but inflate prices are create a agency middle man that makes out like a bandit. When the "Arab" introduced Coyotes that was the beginning of the end of the "fun" GoGo scene. For the punter it is nothing but a losing proposition.

I read somewhere that coyotes don't show their bodies much whereas the regular ones don't leave much to imagination. Is this true?

Do all coyotes cover up their privates quite well at all times?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2147410]

These days, the only question I ask them is "Are you a Coyote"? If the answer is yes, I move on to find a girl who is not.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2147146]400 baht for a drink? No chance unless it's 1 drink every 30-60 minutes, she is hot as hell, mutual groping everywhere, and it's continuous DFK.[/QUOTE]It was my second week here, I hadn't been out and about much. I was walking down soi cowboy, I saw her from 15 feet away or so from Kiss and she was just my type, my intention was to walk in buy a drink see how much it took to get her out and fuck her so we went in, sat down, coke for me, who the fuck knows for her, the ticket said 400 baht and she was grinding on my dick.

Drinks arrived, I paid, stopped the grinding, said lets go fuck (no not exactly like that, I probably asked about a bar fine) and she said "ladies here no boom boom only dancing. " I asked "all ladies" she said "all ladies" so I figured it was a 12 dollar lesson in getting fucked without getting fucked on Soi Cowboy.

I thought then and continue to think that, as lessons go, it was affordable. I've dropped more on a club sandwich and a coke at an english pub on Sukhamvit and didn't have a cute spinner grinding on my lap for five minutes and I damn sure have paid way fucking more to have a cute spinner grind on my lap for two songs in many places the world over. I haven't spent a dime on Soi Cowboy since and have had tons o fun, as recently as yesterday, at the different MP's around Suk so I'm not complaining. That night I would have paid 10 bucks as a cover charge to Soi Cowboy at the head of the alley.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2144017]You read all these reports of "the service was shitty so I tipped" or even "the service was great so I tipped" especially in countries were there is no tipping. It's doubled the price of pussy in Argentina in 5 years and now in Medellin chicks are asking for 3 X the house fee to do EXACTLY the same shit that two years ago they were doing for the house fee.

I read these reports and I'm like "fuck, stop doing that" because every time they do that tip becomes a part of the price for the next guy. Then when they come back in two years they are like "damn it got expensive here. " It's like going to buy a car and the sales guy says "yeah that car costs 40,000 bucks" and they say "but would you take 50,000 for it?

Agreed, it's not about the money I can afford 200 baht as well but the money becomes cumulative over time, your 200 baht. We have guys on different forums who used to say "the standard price for pussy the world over is 100 bucks" and now they say "the standard price for pussy the world over is 200 bucks" and I'm like if gas costs 2.20 in the US but 5.50 in Spain the next time you fill up your car will you insist on paying the average price for some other place?

What it really is, is the girls look, see a stupid falang that is afraid of women, so they scream "you pay me 5000 baht!!!!" and the guy says "ok." Then they have such contempt for them they give them shitty service, blame him for the bad time and the guy gives them MORE money to go away.[/QUOTE]I agree with your comments. When will some guys learn that the quality of your experience / adventure has almost nothing to do with how much you pay. In fact, I almost believe the opposite is true in that the less you pay the better the experience. That applies in any country. If the girl is young, very pretty and very expensive the guy generally will not have a great time because those girls are not programmed to give a guy a good time, they are overly preoccupied with their own beauty. Get a woman closer to 30, decent looks that fall short of beauty and asking a reasonable price and your chances of having a good time greatly increase. All us guys think with our dicks but listen to the head as well.

My comments apply particularly to men who believe the standard price of pussy worldwide is 200 bucks, even 100 bucks is bad enough. A wise punter should be aiming for the 50 buck market.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2147560]It was my second week here, I hadn't been out and about much. I was walking down soi cowboy, I saw her from 15 feet away or so from Kiss and she was just my type, my intention was to walk in buy a drink see how much it took to get her out and fuck her so we went in, sat down, coke for me, who the fuck knows for her, the ticket said 400 baht and she was grinding on my dick.

Drinks arrived, I paid, stopped the grinding, said lets go fuck (no not exactly like that, I probably asked about a bar fine) and she said "ladies here no boom boom only dancing. " I asked "all ladies" she said "all ladies" so I figured it was a 12 dollar lesson in getting fucked without getting fucked on Soi Cowboy.

I thought then and continue to think that, as lessons go, it was affordable. I've dropped more on a club sandwich and a coke at an english pub on Sukhamvit and didn't have a cute spinner grinding on my lap for five minutes and I damn sure have paid way fucking more to have a cute spinner grind on my lap for two songs in many places the world over. I haven't spent a dime on Soi Cowboy since and have had tons o fun, as recently as yesterday, at the different MP's around Suk so I'm not complaining. That night I would have paid 10 bucks as a cover charge to Soi Cowboy at the head of the alley.[/QUOTE]At least you got a little something for your money. Personally, I think the go-go bars are an expensive way to find pussy compared to the massage shops so I have avoided them for the most part over the last few years. However, a friend was soon to leave Thailand and we ended up in the Dollhouse. He found a sweet lady and was having a nice time while I just sat there watching the show not wanting to get into the lady drink game but a very pretty lady danced a few sexy dances for me and against my better judgement I agreed to buy her a drink. She left the stage, went directly to the bar, got herself a drink and returning to my table set the 380 baht drink down and said "I have to go to the bathroom". That was the only thing she said to me and the last I saw of her. I complained to the mamasan but got the "do you think I give a fuck look". Not a good way to do business in a declining market.

[QUOTE=Soroche;2147592]. Personally, I think the go-go bars are an expensive way to find pussy compared to the massage shops so I have avoided them for the most part over the last few years.[/QUOTE]In my limited experience in Bangkok I have definitely seen the odd monger walking hand in hand with a massage chic and thought to myself that is definitely the way to go. Makes perfect sense as opposed to mixing it up in the bars where there is just too much bullshit.

Concur but acknowledge there are exceptions. In the USA I have a brown sugar who makes house calls for $40 a pop. Great bargain, great BBBJ and quite a porno queen who likes to be filmed. In the DR the most I pay is 4000 P or roughly $88 but she is drop dead gorgeous and super busty. The average is 2000 P, less than $50. In the PI I will generally give my girls 2 - 3000 P similar exchange rate as DR. Thailand (and Tijuana) is a little pricier except Patts. Indo and Cambo are similar to Thailand. Vietnam has gotten too expensive IMO. Haven't been to Colombia or Cuba yet although it's on the bucket list. The massage chicks are definitely better value wherever, tho. Europe? Fuggetaboutit. Been to FKKs and they are ok but too expensive IMO. The price of pussy should always be less than that of a date with a regular broad. I have no interest in dating regular broads having given up on them ten years ago. Too much drama and $$ I'm 62 now, not an ogre, decent education and job, and haven't looked back. Thank God for beautiful, sexy, available foreign women. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2147569]My comments apply particularly to men who believe the standard price of pussy worldwide is 200 bucks, even 100 bucks is bad enough. A wise punter should be aiming for the 50 buck market.[/QUOTE]

King's Castle 1 is at a temporary location around the corner for the next 2 weeks while their original bar is under renovation. The temporary location is likely one of the best set ups I have seen in a gogo bar. I counted 60 girls at 10 pm. KC1 is a great place to have fun. Girls are young, fairly hands on, many are decent looking, but most importantly, they all have great attitudes at Kc1. If you are in bkk over the next couple of weeks check out the temporary location. A shame kc1 can't stay there permanently.

[QUOTE=DCups;2147638]In the USA I have a brown sugar who makes house calls for $40 a pop.[/QUOTE]Lucky bastard.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2147473]I read somewhere that coyotes don't show their bodies much whereas the regular ones don't leave much to imagination. Is this true?

Do all coyotes cover up their privates quite well at all times?[/QUOTE]Correct. They are practically worthless.

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2147569]I agree with your comments. When will some guys learn that the quality of your experience / adventure has almost nothing to do with how much you pay. In fact, I almost believe the opposite is true in that the less you pay the better the experience. That applies in any country. If the girl is young, very pretty and very expensive the guy generally will not have a great time because those girls are not programmed to give a guy a good time, they are overly preoccupied with their own beauty. Get a woman closer to 30, decent looks that fall short of beauty and asking a reasonable price and your chances of having a good time greatly increase. All us guys think with our dicks but listen to the head as well.

My comments apply particularly to men who believe the standard price of pussy worldwide is 200 bucks, even 100 bucks is bad enough. A wise punter should be aiming for the 50 buck market.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more. As the prices have gone up here in LOS, the service level has decreased. No doubt about it.

The best way to deal with this bullshit is to either completely boycott it so these girls don't make any more, or as mentioned below to just straight away try to seal the seal before spending any money on worthless lady drinks. I would even go so far and tell her what you are willing to pay all-in including barfine and that this won't be more than for any normal dancer. It's ridiculous that these girls should cost 1,000 or 1,200 just in barfine for the bar. A couple of hundred baht more and I can get a cute girl from.

One of the dating websites. Not to forget all the freebies.

I used to like the Gogos years back. At that time the coyote bullshit had just started. I now tend to avoid them. Too much bullshit. Coyotes, double lady drinks, ridiculous prices, rude staff, no nude dancing, even girls quality got worse.

I just worry that it won't get any much better. I personally feel the new Thailand tourist isn't interested in buying sex. He really goes to these places just to watch so he buys all that bullshit.

Does anyone know any pregnant or lactating providers in BKK or Pattaya?

Thanks.

I have only been to Bangkok a couple of times. My favorite it to go to the beer garden, and find a nice, willing girl there. Good to be able to see them first, and chat with them,. Likely won't find any magical stunners, but I always find some nice Thai girl who wants to have a good time.

However, the experience I remember the most was also the most unexpected. I went looking for the Star of Light bar, supposed to be the sleaziest bar in Bangkok, so I had to check it out. Was unable to find it, but was guided to a different place, called the Kangaroo Bar or something like that. I went with a wingman who was pretty lame. He always seemed to feel that the ugly girls would be more grateful, which of course is not true. We went up the stairs to the Kangaroo Bard, just a little room with a bar. Two girls, an old ugly one, for my friend, and really the cutest little Thai girl, who couldn't have been more than 18, I didn't ask for an ID. God, I am thinking of her now, and how cute she was. Not a word of English. Got a drink and smiled and played with her a little bit. It was 700 baht for a BJ, 1,100 for fuck. My lame ass friend opted for the BJ with the old, ugly woman, I went for the fuck. It was apparently very slow there, it was 11:00 pm and they had not had any customers all day, from what they said.

Just a little alcove, separated by a curtain. Couch inside. Took my cute young thing in there and twisted her all around. Upside down on the couch while she sucked me and I tasted her most delicious moist pussy. So sweet! Finger in her ass, which she loved. Flipped her over, fucked mish and then turned her around for doggy. She looked kind of like very young Annette Funniclllo.

Ah, such sweet memories, and the least I ever spent. I will always regret not saying to the barman, "have her at my hotel tomorrow!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2147766]King's Castle 1 is at a temporary location around the corner for the next 2 weeks while their original bar is under renovation. The temporary location is likely one of the best set ups I have seen in a gogo bar. I counted 60 girls at 10 pm. KC1 is a great place to have fun. Girls are young, fairly hands on, many are decent looking, but most importantly, they all have great attitudes at Kc1. If you are in bkk over the next couple of weeks check out the temporary location. A shame kc1 can't stay there permanently.[/QUOTE]I had the good fortune to be with BB and I concur.

There were at least 10 girls there iout of the 60 that were really attractive. Ad all had amazing attitudes. Can't remember the last time I was in a gogo and that was true (Ok maybe Kaos in LK Metro. But that place is tiny by comparison and girls are nowhere near as good). Lots of fun. I was DFKing my BFs freind whiel waiting for her to change to go. LOL.

I ended up BFing a cute 21 yr old with the most amazing tight body. Petite but lovely curves. Firm and shapely little C cups. At 1 K BF and 5 K LT price was step. But she was well worth it.

Stellar GFE back in the room. Boom boom 3 times and she left at about 4 PM today. I could not get enough of her taught little body! Made me late for lunch with BB and his girl.

So much for the "the less you pay, the better the service arguments. " 555.

Kings Castle 1 is a must go!

Skipping it tonight to focus on Disco action and the new Insanity. But may try to drag BB back on Sunday night.

[QUOTE]
My comments apply particularly to men who believe the standard price of pussy worldwide is 200 bucks, even 100 bucks is bad enough. A wise punter should be aiming for the 50 buck market. [/QUOTE]The idiots who claim 200 is standard are the same fools or the offspring of fools that were saying this 20 years ago about a 100 dollars. That said, inflation and years and years of incessant sex tourism has taken its toll on the most popular destinations. Quite difficult to get any quality for much under 100 these days, especially in a place like BKK, where standard living expenses have skyrocketed over the last 20 years for anyone living there. (places like Rio de Janeiro and Bangkok are a good barometer, where in the last 20 years prices have doubled due to exchange rate, inflation and market demand) In most places the days of 50 are long gone, best to adjust to the new normal of something around 75-80, if the triple digit fault line bothers you as much as it bothers me.

[QUOTE=Catire;2147981]In most places the days of 50 are long gone, best to adjust to the new normal of something around 75-80, if the triple digit fault line bothers you as much as it bothers me.[/QUOTE]Lower Suk SW / FL are still available for 1,500 baht which is at the $50 line. IMO at the $75 line she best option is a two hour Tulip or Snow White session for 2,300 baht.

Last time I stayed at the Nana Hotel there were totally acceptable ladies around the pool area who gladly went to your room for 1,000 baht. Found (easy) money for them, and once you were an established customer they would approach you on a regular basis looking for the same deal.

SL.

[QUOTE=Catire;2147981]The idiots who claim 200 is standard are the same fools or the offspring of fools that were saying this 20 years ago about a 100 dollars. That said, inflation and years and years of incessant sex tourism has taken its toll on the most popular destinations. Quite difficult to get any quality for much under 100 these days, especially in a place like BKK, where standard living expenses have skyrocketed over the last 20 years for anyone living there. (places like Rio de Janeiro and Bangkok are a good barometer, where in the last 20 years prices have doubled due to exchange rate, inflation and market demand) In most places the days of 50 are long gone, best to adjust to the new normal of something around 75-80, if the triple digit fault line bothers you as much as it bothers me.[/QUOTE]

Well, not for those who have the power to negotiate. It's all about leverage, control. True, the "walk-in" base price or what people might call "market" price is about 3000 baht now in Bangkok for decent looks, minimum. That's for first time customers, guys who can't negotiate, and most working girls already know they can get someone else for that price at least that night. Why lose money by saying yes to less right? Well, that's where NEGOTIATION comes in. If you can lead them to believe something that makes up for the X baht in value that they will have to take less that night, then they will say yes.

Things to get them to agree to lower.

- (when they already know that they can have someone else for 3000 baht that night): That you like them a lot and are interested in repeat business (need to point out that you will be there for awhile, at least a month). This helps lead them on into thinking that they can sucker you in as a sponsor too, so you'll perk their interest. Hookers are drawn to emotionally available customer like flies to shit.

-Are at your best behavior / charm. The more that they can empathize with you (and let's be honest, foreign hookers have almost no ability to empathize with their foreign customers due to cultural disparity for starters). But if you appear to respect them (this is important, they will quickly grow to gain contempt over you if you reject them or are harsh / crude / brass during your negotiations), don't appear crazy, do appear clean, they will be interested in working with you at a lower price. They'll be able to get over developing feelings of contempt that would otherwise come out via remarks "oh so you think I'm a cheap girl. ".

-Try to use face saving excuse to sell your lower offer. Don't tell them that they are worth 2000 or whatever baht to you. Just tell them that you want to see them a lot more and 2000 baht is better. Kind of like, kiss their ass just a bit.

For reference, I found a looker (3800 baht normally) that I liked. So I see her at her work, then she see's me for "free" at my condo a day or 2 later. All because I wouldn't see her anymore unless she could bring the price down (she couldn't do this at her work, loss of face / impossible) and she didn't want to loose a repeat customer. These women are certainly willing to work for less, and I do think 1500-2000 baht in BKK and 1 k in Pattaya for sure are the real minimums. Pattaya is much cheaper in terms of freelancers, can easily get 1 k ST at so many places there without even having to go through all that above negotiation, but the women who work in Pattaya and are very looking is rather slim pickings.

This is a duplicate post from my earlier post in a different section. Hopefully someone may be able to provide me with some info. This is my previous post.

I will be passing through Bangkok this May for a few days and plan to check out the nightclubs while I am there. Recommendation or feedback on the ones to avoid is greatly appreciated.

This is my list so far.

- Insanity.

- Levels (Is this the one over at aLoft?

- Mixx.

- GLOW.

- Shock39.

- NARZ.

- Route 66.

I am also hoping to get some intel on the quality and market rate of FL found in these clubs. Thanks.

Re Sunlover and Parkville.

My comment was stated with the "usual disclaimers" which are "how badly does she need the money, how you present yourself, personality wise and physically, your age, her mood, are you a regular visitor / potential client? " etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Those are ever changing and ever present factors. I was speaking very "generally", but the "general" is true and largely conforms to the cost of living in said city. My main 2 barometers are / were Bangkok and Rio, where the price of living has skyrocketed over the last several decades and the prices for sexual services have roughly kept up. (as they would need to).

Streetwalkers I don't particularly / didn't particularly consider, as those would be no more than 20 usd in the old days. Neither do I consider quickies / short times in low end hotels like Nana.

Generally speaking, I completely agree with Parkville. If you are a local or regular visitor, you can agree on a different arrangement. Was speaking from a once a year tourist kind of perspective.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2148057]This is a duplicate post from my earlier post in a different section. Hopefully someone may be able to provide me with some info. This is my previous post.

I will be passing through Bangkok this May for a few days and plan to check out the nightclubs while I am there. Recommendation or feedback on the ones to avoid is greatly appreciated.

This is my list so far.

- Insanity.

- Levels (Is this the one over at aLoft?

- Mixx.

- GLOW.

- Shock39.

- NARZ.

- Route 66.

I am also hoping to get some intel on the quality and market rate of FL found in these clubs. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Was in several of these during Christmas-New Year timeframe, perhaps not the best time to truly access. But from very random drop in samplings.

Shock39 was completely dead when dropped in (admittedly it was late and perhaps on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day (but why would that matter in a Buddhist country? Some drunk young farangs only.

Mixx was "ok" - but I also had the sense that it's on a downward slope. I always felt it was the home of the over-dressed, over made up and the overly charging (heard going rate was 4 K several years ago, no way it has come down).

Levels was a live party on a weekend evening. Never approached what I thought were the FL'ers in there. As there were many non working people there also, but perhaps lacked the boldness and balls to actually talk to anyone. Saw one girl I liked, and she seemed to be taken.

Ditto Insanity. Though here the working girls seemed easier to spot. I kinda wonder what the girls charge there. But I think I can hazard a reasonable guess. 3000 baht (which can be longtime if you hit it off with the girl) for pure short time, I'm guessing nothing less than 2000.

As always, your mileage may vary. And your experiences may very as well. These were very random samplings.

Thanks for the info. Definitely very helpful. I heard that even though a person can change their sex easily (as in ladyboy) in Thailand, but they are still required to display their sex origin (as in Mr. XYZ) in their Thai National ID card. Is that true? If so, is it a socially acceptable to ask to see their ID when hooking with the girls and FL in the clubs? Trying not to end up with ladyboys at the end of the night. LOL.

[QUOTE=Catire;2148067]Was in several of these during Christmas-New Year timeframe, perhaps not the best time to truly access. But from very random drop in samplings.

Shock39 was completely dead when dropped in (admittedly it was late and perhaps on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day (but why would that matter in a Buddhist country? Some drunk young farangs only.

Mixx was "ok" - but I also had the sense that it's on a downward slope. I always felt it was the home of the over-dressed, over made up and the overly charging (heard going rate was 4 K several years ago, no way it has come down).

Levels was a live party on a weekend evening. Never approached what I thought were the FL'ers in there. As there were many non working people there also, but perhaps lacked the boldness and balls to actually talk to anyone. Saw one girl I liked, and she seemed to be taken.

Ditto Insanity. Though here the working girls seemed easier to spot. I kinda wonder what the girls charge there. But I think I can hazard a reasonable guess. 3000 baht (which can be longtime if you hit it off with the girl) for pure short time, I'm guessing nothing less than 2000.

As always, your mileage may vary. And your experiences may very as well. These were very random samplings.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2148057]This is a duplicate post from my earlier post in a different section. Hopefully someone may be able to provide me with some info. This is my previous post.

I will be passing through Bangkok this May for a few days and plan to check out the nightclubs while I am there. Recommendation or feedback on the ones to avoid is greatly appreciated.

This is my list so far.

- Insanity.

- Levels (Is this the one over at aLoft?

- Mixx.

- GLOW.

- Shock39.

- NARZ.

- Route 66.

I am also hoping to get some intel on the quality and market rate of FL found in these clubs. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Was in Bkk this December last. Have been to Shock 39 quite a few times and it is a place you want to go to if you're looking for mainly CIS (mostly Uzbek) and Ukraininan FLs. Was there pre-Christmas and there was no dearth of WGs at that time and there were a decent number of good looking ones as well. However, the overall ambience of the club is very average and you may not want to stay there for any longer than is necessary. I'd recommend getting there at around 11, making your selection in an hour or so and getting out by 12-12.30. Levels, on Soi 11, is where you can find some real Thai stunners and the club itself is also nice. Also, the Soi is one of the most happening ones and worth checking out. Have been to Mixx, Pattaya and it was quite disappointing, with a dead vibe. Haven't tried Mixx, Bkk but have not read many good reviews of the place either here or on other forums. Many complain about excessively loud music and less than friendly staff. However, YMMV. Hope this helps. Enjoy!

[QUOTE=AnonMous;2148097]Was in Bkk this December last. Have been to Shock 39 quite a few times and it is a place you want to go to if you're looking for mainly CIS (mostly Uzbek) and Ukraininan FLs. Was there pre-Christmas and there was no dearth of WGs at that time and there were a decent number of good looking ones as well. However, the overall ambience of the club is very average and you may not want to stay there for any longer than is necessary. I'd recommend getting there at around 11, making your selection in an hour or so and getting out by 12-12.30. Levels, on Soi 11, is where you can find some real Thai stunners and the club itself is also nice. Also, the Soi is one of the most happening ones and worth checking out. Have been to Mixx, Pattaya and it was quite disappointing, with a dead vibe. Haven't tried Mixx, Bkk but have not read many good reviews of the place either here or on other forums. Many complain about excessively loud music and less than friendly staff. However, YMMV. Hope this helps. Enjoy![/QUOTE]Sounds like I may stop by Shock39 just to get a feel of these Ukrainians. I usually stay away from the Russians, since their attitudes stink from miles away. Typically whenever I travel overseas, I would prefer to taste the local cuisines whenever possible and stay away from the imports. However, there are exceptions in developed countries like Singapore (Mostly Filipinos or Vietnamese and almost impossible to find locals) or FKK Germany (mostly Romanians though there are good German girls to be had occasionally).

[QUOTE=AnonMous;2148097]Was in Bkk this December last. Have been to Shock 39 quite a few times and it is a place you want to go to if you're looking for mainly CIS (mostly Uzbek) and Ukraininan FLs. Was there pre-Christmas and there was no dearth of WGs at that time and there were a decent number of good looking ones as well. However, the overall ambience of the club is very average and you may not want to stay there for any longer than is necessary. I'd recommend getting there at around 11, making your selection in an hour or so and getting out by 12-12.30. Levels, on Soi 11, is where you can find some real Thai stunners and the club itself is also nice. Also, the Soi is one of the most happening ones and worth checking out. Have been to Mixx, Pattaya and it was quite disappointing, with a dead vibe. Haven't tried Mixx, Bkk but have not read many good reviews of the place either here or on other forums. Many complain about excessively loud music and less than friendly staff. However, YMMV. Hope this helps. Enjoy![/QUOTE]Interesting in that you went so early as I had always thought Shock 39 marketed itself (at least originally) as an "after hours" club. Where people wouldn't even go before midnight.

Agreed on Soi 11. That's where all the touristy action is. Perhaps overly so, with overcrowding, etc. But definitely very very happening, especially in peak season like Christmas. (and yes, Levels is a nice place, even if a little small for my taste).

It's really a shame that CM2 has closed down. That is where I would see the hottest international women in BKK. Though several years ago with Mixx at its heyday, there was an Uzbek girl there who was one of the hottest girls I had seen anywhere (and I've been around) . But I balked at the price. (which started at 5 k baht).

P.S. Generally speaking, one is not allowed to complain about "excessively loud music" at a nightclub. This means you are old and you don't belong there. Clubs by definition will play EDM at a certain volume, always considered "too loud" by old or rapidly aging people. The music will be the loudest by the dance floor, per design. This is why really good venues are larger and will have space within the club away from the dance floor where one can withdraw and conceivably be able to have a conversation. (I will grant that none of these places in Bangkok fit that bill and they're always loud everywhere inside) In upper end places, this is typically a VIP area with couches. Also the staff at high flying, recently opened venues is rarely "friendly". These complaints are clearly from people who have never ever been to a real nightclub recently back home (because they're old) and should really stick to beer bars, etc.

[QUOTE=Catire;2148142]
P.S. Generally speaking, one is not allowed to complain about "excessively loud music" at a nightclub. This means you are old and you don't belong there. Clubs by definition will play EDM at a certain volume, always considered "too loud" by old or rapidly aging people. The music will be the loudest by the dance floor, per design. This is why really good venues are larger and will have space within the club away from the dance floor where one can withdraw and conceivably be able to have a conversation. (I will grant that none of these places in Bangkok fit that bill and they're always loud everywhere inside) In upper end places, this is typically a VIP area with couches. Also the staff at high flying, recently opened venues is rarely "friendly". These complaints are clearly from people who have never ever been to a real nightclub recently back home (because they're old) and should really stick to beer bars, etc.[/QUOTE]You've been saying that same thing for about 10 years now, so you must be getting to that "too old" age as well.

I think most music in Asian countries (and elsewhere including USA) is too loud so I must be too old, too. And I play rock / jazz / folk guitar and sing non-professionally.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2148180]You've been saying that same thing for about 10 years now, so you must be getting to that "too old" age as well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2148057]This is a duplicate post from my earlier post in a different section. Hopefully someone may be able to provide me with some info. This is my previous post.

I will be passing through Bangkok this May for a few days and plan to check out the nightclubs while I am there. Recommendation or feedback on the ones to avoid is greatly appreciated.

This is my list so far.

- Insanity.

- Levels (Is this the one over at aLoft?

- Mixx.

- GLOW.

- Shock39.

- NARZ.

- Route 66.

I am also hoping to get some intel on the quality and market rate of FL found in these clubs. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I was at Levels and insanity last night.

Insanity had some kind of lame DJ concert going. Some FLs and regular girls. Many old and not very attractive. Did not find one single girl that was even passable at the whole place.

Levels was not that much better. Again mostly older FLs. Girls are dressed nice but on closer inspection are a bit passed their "sell date". There is a group of attractive younger girls there that are regulars and there every night. But they are friends with my ex so off limits to me.

Gave up on the clubs at about 2:30 AM (was seeing the same old faces over and over again). Fortunately met an attractive slim girl outside Thermae and went for a nice fun ST. Lovely girl and hotter than any of the available girls at Levels or Insanity.

Did not try Shock 39 as I'm not interested in CIS. Mixx: I've been to before and not all that great. I do need to get to RCA one day, but from what I hear the scene is mostly regular girls.

FL scene is way better in Pattaya where you have Ibar and Lucifer.

Old monger here. I have been there and done that. This report is about a FL that I pulled from Craigslist, which is not my usual way to go. Sairung advertised as 26. She has become my once a week experience when I need my world truly rocked. She then revealed that she is actually 34. She had me fooled. She is not fat and looks good dressed and naked. She shows very slight baby damage. She does everything but anal and bb. I do not DFK so not sure about that. She has tricks I have never experienced before. She is quite good and sensuous with rimming and BBBJ. The other aspect is she prides herself on un-rushed ST. She actually wants to prolong your explosion. She dropped her CL ad because she said the language aspect was too challenging for her. We seem to do ok though. She tries for 2000. She will accept 1500 if you are not abrasive about it. I said I would share her info with senior members here by PM and she agreed. PM me if you want to try Sairung.

Can I begin this report by stating what an unfathomable turnoff it is for me to hear male moaning in my general vicinity when I'm engaged in any kind of sexual activity? Instead of structural separation, L0 lItas in Bangkok have partitioned customers using curtains only. On my left was someone who sounded about 150 years old and suffering from asthma. On my right was a gentleman who, based on the sounds he emanated, seemed to be auditioning very enthusiastically for a pornographic movie.

The girl who selected me (I know, mea culpa) was young and pretty, which meant poor technique and lousy service. The fact that I was able to finish at all can only be explained by the fact that it had been a week.

I won't return to this place. Might try Kasalong next time.

[QUOTE=Soroche;2147592]At least you got a little something for your money. Personally, I think the go-go bars are an expensive way to find pussy compared to the massage shops so I have avoided them for the most part over the last few years. However, a friend was soon to leave Thailand and we ended up in the Dollhouse. He found a sweet lady and was having a nice time while I just sat there watching the show not wanting to get into the lady drink game but a very pretty lady danced a few sexy dances for me and against my better judgement I agreed to buy her a drink. She left the stage, went directly to the bar, got herself a drink and returning to my table set the 380 baht drink down and said "I have to go to the bathroom". That was the only thing she said to me and the last I saw of her. I complained to the mamasan but got the "do you think I give a fuck look". Not a good way to do business in a declining market.[/QUOTE]Correct however the up market Soapies are also expensive, and girls are hit and miss.

I still use bar girls (very few) due to being able to spend time with them before deciding, being able to see the bodies, almost fully, etc. Or just having experience with them and preferring them over other girls I know (especially in the looks and body department). I go to bars mostly for purpose of sex, or sometimes just to have a look. Having a look is not that costly. One drink usually enough. To go barfine a regular does not have to be massively expensive, granted it is still more than an oily. However at least I know what I getting and can way up, is it worth it. Occasions to take a new bargirl are rare and dependent on many things being very positive.

Sometimes having a great time, and partying is more important than the exact price. Depends on if in money saving mode or not. Sometimes our time and fun is more valuable than our money. Depends on the individual's situation, importance of the girl's looks, her service, etc.

Naturally we know a bar girl is going to cost more. Would not risk it with a new girl without good reasons. Coyote girls are outside my risk zone, unless she is simply stunning. (can happen). Coyotes can have crap tits covered by a two layer bra. I need to see the tits first, in addition to finding her irresistible for some reason. I have taken a Coyote girl, but was a cheaper variety and very rare I do so. One was a girl known since years before as great wild fuck. So I did not care her tits were known to be small.

[QUOTE=DCups;2148184]I think most music in Asian countries (and elsewhere including USA) is too loud so I must be too old, too. And I play rock / jazz / folk guitar and sing non-professionally.[/QUOTE]I like to go to a place in Jakarta called Malio club. It has sexy dancers. They used to dance nude, but now wear bikinis due to government crack downs. Anyway, I go there a lot and never have a problem with the music. But one night a few months ago, there was literally nobody in the place other than my friend and I and the music was so damn loud I couldn't stand it. I had to leave, it was just too damn loud to take. The guy I went with is half deaf anyway and he thought it was loud but he could stand it. He's older than me. Since then, the music has always been loud, but not unbearable like that one night. But that one night, the guy I was with was telling me I must be getting old. While that may be true, I think it had zero to do with the fact that the music was too damn loud that night. He's one to talk about getting old, his hearing is so bad that he can rarely hear anything anyone says in a normal conversation in a restaurant with no music.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2148180]You've been saying that same thing for about 10 years now, so you must be getting to that "too old" age as well.[/QUOTE]Maybe, maybe not.

Certainly I don't find music in these clubs to be "too loud" (actually Ill take that back. Shock 39 definitely overdoes it, depending on where one has to stand).

But at the very least you will give me points for being "self-aware" then, right? .btw.you're an indo dude.. had you been to the now closed "Stadium"? was that too loud?

D Cups, I remember going to Smashing Pumpkin concert when I was still "young".

My ears were literally ringing and buzzing for several hours after the concert (I had good seats)

and you're a "rock" musician, eh?

Uncle Volodya - agree with you on your observations vis a vis freelancers at those places. Many many past "sell" date. RCA complex definitely non pros.

what in your opinion makes the Pattaya discos better? younger/hotter girls?

I went by the Eden Club last week, a place I used to always visit when in town. Nothing much has changed there although they do have less and less woman on the correct side of the yellow line. The new owner apparently only allows 1 beer at the bar now, I got in there in the early afternoon and was thirsty so downed 1 beer quick and then asked for another before telling him I would make a selection. He said that I can only have 1 beer at the Bar the next has to be upstairs. What kind of shit is this? Anyway, there was not much to choose from so left for the Chrome bar in the same st and this nice young chic took it in the ass so all worked out in the end.

[QUOTE=Catire;2148572]had you been to the now closed "Stadium"? was that too loud?[/QUOTE]I never thought Stadium was too loud. The whole ambience to that place was the noise and lights, and of course the crowd. On a Saturday night, that place was awesome when the crowd was into it. It was similar to being at a football game in the US with the crowd going nuts. I've never found any place similar in Thailand. Damn shame they shut it down. I knew people who lived in Singapore that used to fly in every weekend just to go to Stadium.

There are places that are too loud on occasion. It's normally smaller bars where the music is always loud, but at times they crank the noise way way up when the DJ gets high. At that point, I leave.

The music at night spots in Jakarta is much louder than it is in Bangkok. I can't think of a place I've been in Bangkok where the level of the music was unbearable (I've never been to Shock 39), but it has happened more than once in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Catire;2148572]
D Cups, I remember going to Smashing Pumpkin concert when I was still "young".

My ears were literally ringing and buzzing for several hours after the concert (I had good seats)[/QUOTE]I think we have probably all been to more than one concert where our ears rang for hours after the show. I saw the Smashing Pumpkins back in 1996 (Bullet with Butterfly Wings, baby! Classic). We got to go back stage and meet the band after the show. I was surprised at how laid back to the point of being boring Billy Corgan was. He was well spoken and very nice but his personality reminded me more of an accountant than a rocker. Good show.

[QUOTE=Catire;2148572]
Uncle Volodya - agree with you on your observations vis a vis freelancers at those places. Many many past "sell" date. RCA complex definitely non pros.

what in your opinion makes the Pattaya discos better? younger/hotter girls?[/QUOTE]Yes girls are younger and hotter. Also you can get a part timer gem there. A shopgirl on her night off or a girl down from Bangkok for weekend getaway. Those are the ones I like most.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2148718]Yes girls are younger and hotter. Also you can get a part timer gem there. A shopgirl on her night off or a girl down from Bangkok for weekend getaway. Those are the ones I like most.[/QUOTE]Never realized that vacationing non pros (but ones open to part time freelancing) would consider Pattaya a "getaway" destination.

Always thought Patts had a seedy, bottom of barrel type of reputation. I know this has changed in the last decade, but to what extent?

[QUOTE=Catire;2148850]Never realized that vacationing non pros (but ones open to part time freelancing) would consider Pattaya a "getaway" destination.

Always thought Patts had a seedy, bottom of barrel type of reputation. I know this has changed in the last decade, but to what extent?[/QUOTE]Lots of Thais come here for weekend and holiday getaways. In many ways the P4 P scene in this town is a shrinking parof the overall tourist industry. And will probably be phased out gradually as Thai incomes rise over the next few decades and rhey have more disposable income.

The "sin city" rep is good for promotion. But like Vegas this place is likely to be neutered over the long term. So lets enjoy it while we can.

Insomnia / Ibar are popular with regulars in addition to the more hard core FLs.

I read the posts about that and I'm a bit surprised that you would consider Pattaya as a better destination nowadays to pick-up young Thai girls in nightclubs and discos than in Bangkok. Is this true?

In Pattaya I would try my luck in Insomnia and Lucifer. In Bangkok at Insanity, Levels and Oskar for example.

[QUOTE=Pussycheck;2148891]I read the posts about that and I'm a bit surprised that you would consider Pattaya as a better destination nowadays to pick-up young Thai girls in nightclubs and discos than in Bangkok. Is this true?

In Pattaya I would try my luck in Insomnia and Lucifer. In Bangkok at Insanity, Levels and Oskar for example.[/QUOTE]I still think the girls in Bangkok clubs are far superior to those in Pattaya. Besides Bangkok offers more selection in nightclubs than the few on Walking Street and Hollywood in Pattaya. The last time I was in BKK a month ago, my preference were the girls at Hanker Club located in the Prime Central Station Hotel. They like to party and by the time they are drunk, usually they will fuck for cheap or even free. The most I've paid there was 2500 for long time until 2 pm the next day. The girls were too messed up to wake up early and this included sex 2 or 3 times. Once I even took a girl back to my room for free. Actually, she quoted me 2000 but forgot we even had sex because she was sooo drunk. I told her we only slept naked and she asked for taxi money. Personally, I think FL girls at Hanker Club look better and younger than those found at Insanity, Levels, or MIXX. See photos.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2148911]I still think the girls in Bangkok clubs are far superior to those in Pattaya. Besides Bangkok offers more selection in nightclubs than the few on Walking Street and Hollywood in Pattaya. The last time I was in BKK a month ago, my preference were the girls at Hanker Club located in the Prime Central Station Hotel. They like to party and by the time they are drunk, usually they will fuck for cheap or even free. The most I've paid there was 2500 for long time until 2 pm the next day. The girls were too messed up to wake up early and this included sex 2 or 3 times. Once I even took a girl back to my room for free. Actually, she quoted me 2000 but forgot we even had sex because she was sooo drunk. I told her we only slept naked and she asked for taxi money. Personally, I think FL girls at Hanker Club look better and younger than those found at Insanity, Levels, or MIXX. See photos.[/QUOTE]These look very nice! (though I am always leery of overly drunk girls!!! )How far is this place from lower Sukhumvit farang ghetto?

[QUOTE=ElTed;2148339]Can I begin this report by stating what an unfathomable turnoff it is for me to hear male moaning in my general vicinity when I'm engaged in any kind of sexual activity? Instead of structural separation, L0 lItas in Bangkok have partitioned customers using curtains only. On my left was someone who sounded about 150 years old and suffering from asthma. On my right was a gentleman who, based on the sounds he emanated, seemed to be auditioning very enthusiastically for a pornographic movie.

The girl who selected me (I know, mea culpa) was young and pretty, which meant poor technique and lousy service. The fact that I was able to finish at all can only be explained by the fact that it had been a week.

I won't return to this place. Might try Kasalong next time.[/QUOTE]LOL, good to see you could find comedy in tragedy. But some people like the idea of public sex, I guess for them this situation would be an extra bonus.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2148911]I still think the girls in Bangkok clubs are far superior to those in Pattaya. Besides Bangkok offers more selection in nightclubs than the few on Walking Street and Hollywood in Pattaya. The last time I was in BKK a month ago, my preference were the girls at Hanker Club located in the Prime Central Station Hotel. They like to party and by the time they are drunk, usually they will fuck for cheap or even free. The most I've paid there was 2500 for long time until 2 pm the next day. The girls were too messed up to wake up early and this included sex 2 or 3 times. Once I even took a girl back to my room for free. Actually, she quoted me 2000 but forgot we even had sex because she was sooo drunk. I told her we only slept naked and she asked for taxi money. Personally, I think FL girls at Hanker Club look better and younger than those found at Insanity, Levels, or MIXX. See photos.[/QUOTE]Definitely looks promising. Funny how google maps is showing no reviews. Either this place is very new or a secret island that is yet to be "polluted" by tourists.

[QUOTE=Catire;2149012]These look very nice! (though I am always leery of overly drunk girls!!! )How far is this place from lower Sukhumvit farang ghetto?[/QUOTE]More near Patpong area and inside Chinatown. At night, taxi should be around 200 baht from Sukhumvit area. Lots of fun, reminds me of SCD when it was the best for finding younger 20-25 year old sexy free lancers and party girls. Hanker hasn't been around very long.

[QUOTE=Catire;2149012]These look very nice! (though I am always leery of overly drunk girls!!! )How far is this place from lower Sukhumvit farang ghetto?[/QUOTE]There is this not so new search engine named Google. Maybe you've heard of it.

[URL]https://www.hankerclubbkk.com[/URL]

It's near the central station close to China Town.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2148911]The last time I was in BKK a month ago, my preference were the girls at Hanker Club located in the Prime Central Station Hotel. They like to party and by the time they are drunk, usually they will fuck for cheap or even free. The most I've paid there was 2500 for long time until 2 pm the next day. The girls were too messed up to wake up early and this included sex 2 or 3 times. Once I even took a girl back to my room for free. Actually, she quoted me 2000 but forgot we even had sex because she was sooo drunk. I told her we only slept naked and she asked for taxi money. Personally, I think FL girls at Hanker Club look better and younger than those found at Insanity, Levels, or MIXX. See photos.[/QUOTE]Is this your new 'game', taking advantage of drunk girls? You must be very proud of yourself.
Anyway, drunk girls are usually a big PITA in bed. I avoid them like the plague.

[QUOTE=Pussycheck;2148891]I read the posts about that and I'm a bit surprised that you would consider Pattaya as a better destination nowadays to pick-up young Thai girls in nightclubs and discos than in Bangkok. Is this true?

In Pattaya I would try my luck in Insomnia and Lucifer. In Bangkok at Insanity, Levels and Oskar for example.[/QUOTE]I've never been to Hanker club but I will give it a go next time. I wish I'd known about it before.

My experience in BKK nightclubs is limited to Climaxx (now defunct), Insanity, Levels, Mixx and Oskar. I found the girls at all these venues to be noticeably older and less attractive than the girls in Ibar / Insomnia.

Hello chaps,

Planning another stay in BKK. This time I am looking into any good 3-some girls to have fun with. I have a room with a jacuzzi and would like to use that properly.

If any of the Seniors here have some good contacts for that sort of fun I would appreciate a PM.

Thanks in advance and happy hunting.

K.

[QUOTE=Khundig;2149244]Hello chaps,

Planning another stay in BKK. This time I am looking into any good 3-some girls to have fun with. I have a room with a jacuzzi and would like to use that properly.

If any of the Seniors here have some good contacts for that sort of fun I would appreciate a PM.

Thanks in advance and happy hunting.

K.[/QUOTE]I'd look at some of the oily places. Namely Tulip or SW. Tulip would probably be your best bet as the gals will be the most interactive. Unfortunately, you will have to compromise a bit on looks.

[QUOTE=Catire;2149012]These look very nice! (though I am always leery of overly drunk girls!!! )How far is this place from lower Sukhumvit farang ghetto?[/QUOTE]RCA area is probably more accessible from Sukhumvit. It is in Huai Khwang District. Take the Metro from Asok. Young Thai Girls at 20-22 and a party zone if that is what you are looking for. But why venture outside Sukhumvit area? You have everything you want there!

After many years absence, returned to Bangkok. Shocked that hottest girls at gogo's largely uninterested in me. They seemed to want Asian guys, esp Japanese. Several declined to sit with me, and this has never happened before. I date Asian girls prettier than all but the top tier go go dancers.

Granted, I was focused on young, flat tummy, pretty face, 8+. One of them finally sat down, ordered drink, then after I refused to go immediately upstairs for 1 hour for a 4 k price tag, just left, drink still full. I left the bar and refused to pay for the drink (waitress did not fight it). I don't mind paying that amount for sex, as it's a bargain by American standards. But I gotta believe the girl will do it enthusiastically. The 5-7's wanted my business, but I was fixated on top tier. One of the waitresses was hotter than most dancers, solid 7, and she eventually let me feel her up (wearing a miniskirt). So that was fun.

I was thinking this Asian preference could reflect Asia's fast growing economies, more power to them, but then Japan has been in economic decline for nearly 3 decades- while economies of the West have steadily grown. Maybe the girls can better push around Japanese guys, who knows.

Anyway, happy to take my business elsewhere. Thankfully, most Asian countries, with a few exceptions, happily don't have anti-Western bias.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2148611]I was surprised at how laid back to the point of being boring Billy Corgan was. He was well spoken and very nice but his personality reminded me more of an accountant than a rocker. Good show.[/QUOTE]Hilarious Smoothy! I could totally see it.

Def some great hits. "Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage. ".

Touching down on Friday. First time since 2016. First time that I have been away for so long. But I've been checking forums and the changes are worrying me. The goverment clean-up drive to improve morale is odd. Usually I have a bucketlist of places to go and to visit.

This time I feel that I just will go with the flow. I just hope there are decent substitutes to Annies etc. But a week should be easy to get some "action". Just shitty exchange rate for me. Now it is cheaper to have a kilo lobster then a threesome for 90 min at a massage place. Probably more expensive to have two FL for ST. Well. Soon. Soon I don't care if that nice girl will be 2 k or 3. 5 k. My litte brain will run my will the entire vacation.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2149378]After many years absence, returned to Bangkok. Shocked that hottest girls at gogo's largely uninterested in me. They seemed to want Asian guys, esp Japanese. Several declined to sit with me, and this has never happened before. I date Asian girls prettier than all but the top tier go go dancers.

Granted, I was focused on young, flat tummy, pretty face, 8+. One of them finally sat down, ordered drink, then after I refused to go immediately upstairs for 1 hour for a 4 k price tag, just left, drink still full. I left the bar and refused to pay for the drink (waitress did not fight it). I don't mind paying that amount for sex, as it's a bargain by American standards. But I gotta believe the girl will do it enthusiastically. The 5-7's wanted my business, but I was fixated on top tier. One of the waitresses was hotter than most dancers, solid 7, and she eventually let me feel her up (wearing a miniskirt). So that was fun.

I was thinking this Asian preference could reflect Asia's fast growing economies, more power to them, but then Japan has been in economic decline for nearly 3 decades- while economies of the West have steadily grown. Maybe the girls can better push around Japanese guys, who knows.

Anyway, happy to take my business elsewhere. Thankfully, most Asian countries, with a few exceptions, happily don't have anti-Western bias.[/QUOTE]The anti-Western bias has existed for a long time in the Thai P4 P scene. Check Thaniya Plaza, all Asian, and non-Asians are not allowed unless you are escorted in by an Asian. Most of the clubs there are Japanese only. Truthfully, I don't think this is a bias held by the gals, it is a bias that has developed due to the ever increasing market of Asian men, most of who really don't like caucasians; some who outright detest us.

For decades the GoGos were the domain of European and North American dudes. Asians went to Thaniya and a few select GoGos. When economies started to crash in 08-09 money began to dry up for the Asian expats and tourist so the "cheaper" (at the time) GoGos became preferable to Thaniya, which was always quite expensive. GoGos that had never seen an Asian dude became full of them. The white man really does not mind sharing GoGos with the Asian male. But the converse is not true. The gaijin and gwailo has been hated for years by the Asian male and has been excluded way before the Thai P4 P scene came into being. Asian men just don't want to see the women they go with going with white dudes. For 'Mericans we can compare it to the racist white guy from the South who makes comments about white gals that date African Americans. It's the same prejudice and bias. And the working gals have responded to this, not because they don't like white guys, but because going with a white dude can spoil their market in some of these GoGos.

I actually first saw this in action in Thermae in about 04 or so when the Asian dudes started to come to Thermae in numbers due to the closing of the Siam City Hotel on Petchaburi Rd. All of the sudden many of the gals would not openly go with white guys. Openly you say? Well, some would meet you outside but would not want to be seen leaving with you by the Asian men or their friends for fear of being labeled as a gal who goes with white men. How do I know this? They would tell me and my friends. I would always marvel when I saw a young hottie who would not give me the time of day (I was in my 30's at the time and one of the younger dudes in the scene) would leave with a really old Japanese dude in bad golf attire who reeked of cigs and booze. So again, the gals are just doing what they have to do to deal with the current business climate. There are more of them than us. And that trend is not going to change.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2149526]The anti-Western bias has existed for a long time in the Thai P4 P scene. Check Thaniya Plaza, all Asian, and non-Asians are not allowed unless you are escorted in by an Asian. Most of the clubs there are Japanese only. Truthfully, I don't think this is a bias held by the gals, it is a bias that has developed due to the ever increasing market of Asian men, most of who really don't like caucasians; some who outright detest us.

For decades the GoGos were the domain of European and North American dudes. Asians went to Thaniya and a few select GoGos. When economies started to crash in 08-09 money began to dry up for the Asian expats and tourist so the "cheaper" (at the time) GoGos became preferable to Thaniya, which was always quite expensive. GoGos that had never seen an Asian dude became full of them. The white man really does not mind sharing GoGos with the Asian male. But the converse is not true. The gaijin and gwailo has been hated for years by the Asian male and has been excluded way before the Thai P4 P scene came into being. Asian men just don't want to see the women they go with going with white dudes. For 'Mericans we can compare it to the racist white guy from the South who makes comments about white gals that date African Americans. It's the same prejudice and bias. And the working gals have responded to this, not because they don't like white guys, but because going with a white dude can spoil their market in some of these GoGos.

I actually first saw this in action in Thermae in about 04 or so when the Asian dudes started to come to Thermae in numbers due to the closing of the Siam City Hotel on Petchaburi Rd. All of the sudden many of the gals would not openly go with white guys. Openly you say? Well, some would meet you outside but would not want to be seen leaving with you by the Asian men or their friends for fear of being labeled as a gal who goes with white men. How do I know this? They would tell me and my friends. I would always marvel when I saw a young hottie who would not give me the time of day (I was in my 30's at the time and one of the younger dudes in the scene) would leave with a really old Japanese dude in bad golf attire who reeked of cigs and booze. So again, the gals are just doing what they have to do to deal with the current business climate. There are more of them than us. And that trend is not going to change.[/QUOTE]Noticed it in Bangkok but Pattaya seemed ok. Its an easy fix for me, I go where my Baht is valued and if they don't me they won't get my money. My MO now is not to buy a drink on entry but check out the vibe and if it is anti=white I leave.

Rob.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2149534]Noticed it in Bangkok but Pattaya seemed ok. Its an easy fix for me, I go where my Baht is valued and if they don't me they won't get my money. My MO now is not to buy a drink on entry but check out the vibe and if it is anti=white I leave.
[/QUOTE]Which places in Bangkok did you experience anti-white vibes?

99% of farang on here don't do this but if you go off the beaten path in Pattaya and hit the Thai dominated bars, you will not be very welcome by the Thai male clientele. Girls will have no issues as they only see you as an ATM.

There is definitely a contempt for most westerners in Bangkok. Westerners tend not to be very discreet around the P4P scene and I am sure the locals hate that shit. If roles were reversed I would probably hate that shit too so it is understandable.

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2149585]There is definitely a contempt for most westerners in Bangkok. Westerners tend not to be very discreet around the P4 P scene and I am sure the locals hate that shit. If roles were reversed I would probably hate that shit too so it is understandable.[/QUOTE]Locals were much more welcoming in the late 90's when I arrived. Much more. That has changed drastically during my 18 year tenure.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2149562]Which places in Bangkok did you experience anti-white vibes?

99% of farang on here don't do this but if you go off the beaten path in Pattaya and hit the Thai dominated bars, you will not be very welcome by the Thai male clientele. Girls will have no issues as they only see you as an ATM.[/QUOTE]I think the majority of the perceived "higher end" GoGos, G-Clubs, and Thermae put off a bit of an anti-western vibe. And again, this is more due to the Asian male clientele's contempt for the Western male as opposed to the gals dislike of the non-Asian punter.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2149659]I think the majority of the perceived "higher end" GoGos, G-Clubs, and Thermae put off a bit of an anti-western vibe. And again, this is more due to the Asian male clientele's contempt for the Western male as opposed to the gals dislike of the non-Asian punter.[/QUOTE]This has also been discussed in detail on the AC board. The Koreans (and Japanese) don't want westerners fucking their girls. There's a silly perception that AIDS and STDs are western diseases, and they want their girls clean.

When I chat to girls mostly at oilies who their favorite customer is they invariably say "farang". Good heart and show respect. OK maybe it's because I'm farang but I believe them. So why when a venue's clientele becomes predominately Asian does it appear the girls prefer their business? I feel the answer lies in, they pay more, are easier to satisfy and perhaps they are less concerned about size. Knowing Japanese customers are more comfortable with girls that don't go with farangs they feign disinterest earlier in the evening but when it's getting late with no takers up to then trust me we all begin to look alike.

There sure are a lot of non-Asians here making assumptions about Asians. Do you think on the Japanese / Korean / Chinese / Singaporean forums the guys are talking about white guys? Nope! They're talking about the girls. Come on people let's focus on the girls here instead of making the very obviously racist assumptions.

[QUOTE=Applesauce;2149696]There sure are a lot of non-Asians here making assumptions about Asians. Do you think on the Japanese / Korean / Chinese / Singaporean forums the guys are talking about white guys? Nope! They're talking about the girls. Come on people let's focus on the girls here instead of making the very obviously racist assumptions.[/QUOTE]All I know is that there are places for "Japanese Only". I don't see that for any other race. There has to be something to that.

[QUOTE=Applesauce;2149696]There sure are a lot of non-Asians here making assumptions about Asians. Do you think on the Japanese / Korean / Chinese / Singaporean forums the guys are talking about white guys? Nope! They're talking about the girls. Come on people let's focus on the girls here instead of making the very obviously racist assumptions.[/QUOTE]We discuss it because it has had a major effect on the scene in Thailand and effected our ability to get gals. Nothing racist about. Just simply the way it is. And as Smoothy pointed out, there are no venues that are "white men only," but there are venues that are "Japanese only. " So I ask you, whose being racist? I really don't see any of the Westerners screaming for western only places or for Asian men to be excluded.

[QUOTE=Applesauce;2149696]There sure are a lot of non-Asians here making assumptions about Asians. Do you think on the Japanese / Korean / Chinese / Singaporean forums the guys are talking about white guys? Nope! They're talking about the girls. Come on people let's focus on the girls here instead of making the very obviously racist assumptions.[/QUOTE]'You cannot change the system' is a famous say in India. The system could be anything. It could be the way the govt offices are run, the corruption, the way gogo bars are run, etc, etc, You will be better off to just not think about it at all.

Can you bribe a cop for speeding or DUI and walk free in the western world? Chances are you will have an extra few charges and guaranteed jail time. The system cannot be touched.

The asian only places are part of the system even though the analogy might not seem apt.

Anyways, would'nt be easier for the white folks and others. Meaning browns and blacks. If there is a list of such asian only places. Sure there are many but can't be more than a handful in the most popular places like WS, Cowboy, NEP etc. , It will help those who are RTFFing before their arrival. Just my 2 cents for what its worth.

Let's get on with the important stuff: who gives the best rimjob in BKK right now? I'm in town for a few more days and want a proper enthusiast I can invite to my hotel.

Applesauce rather than focus on racism, please just smirk.

Because the average white dude on this board hates the idea that he is treated worse than a yellow man and there is secret pussy he can't get but 3-3-3 from gangnam can. After all the white man is allowed to say no Indians allowed is not racist but cultural related (argumentative, cheap, hangs around in groups), whereas it is racism when he experiences it. It's delicious irony if you think about it.

[QUOTE=Applesauce;2149696]There sure are a lot of non-Asians here making assumptions about Asians. Do you think on the Japanese / Korean / Chinese / Singaporean forums the guys are talking about white guys? Nope! They're talking about the girls. Come on people let's focus on the girls here instead of making the very obviously racist assumptions.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Supmam;2149743]Applesauce rather than focus on racism, please just smirk.

Because the average white dude on this board hates the idea that he is treated worse than a yellow man and there is secret pussy he can't get but 3-3-3 from gangnam can. After all the white man is allowed to say no Indians allowed is not racist but cultural related (argumentative, cheap, hangs around in groups), whereas it is racism when he experiences it. It's delicious irony if you think about it.[/QUOTE]No Indians Allowed is a business decision the same as Japanese/Asian Only is a business decision because either the girls, their Japanese/Asian customers or both want it that way, not because white dudes here or anywhere else want it that way. At least, that is what I read over and over from (presumably) white dudes here. If anything, the white dudes' efforts here to characterize the Asian business proprietors' decision to go with No Indians Allowed or Japanese/Asian Only as a business decision rather than based on the excluded group's race or skin color has been an effort to dismiss the charge of racism against the Asian proprietors. Perhaps that effort was made in vain.

In Asia, particularly China, Japan, the Philippines and Thailand and others there are clubs that cater specifically for Asians and the girls there are not sampled by non-Asians. However, the irony of it is that in Europe, for example the FKKs in Germany the Asians get to session the hottest white babes and some of those babes will not even session certain Caucasian dudes. Talk about reverse racism. I suppose that's just the way it is.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2149664]This has also been discussed in detail on the AC board. The Koreans (and Japanese) don't want westerners fucking their girls. There's a silly perception that AIDS and STDs are western diseases, and they want their girls clean.[/QUOTE]When I was in the Army in Korea, the Brothers had their own bars. White guys would never touch a lady that was with a Bro. But they paid much more than the white guys.

If a WG knows that she can get an Asian guy for 4000+ for a short time and he will spill his beans in 3 minutes has a small member and might give her a tip, why would she wait around or choose a farang? Business is business and she can be back in the bar in 1 hour maybe 2 hours.

I have walked out of Thermae many times with a lady and never noticed any reaction from the Asians. Don't know about Go go's as I don't like the game.

RL.

[QUOTE=JamesRider;2149736]Let's get on with the important stuff: who gives the best rimjob in BKK right now? I'm in town for a few more days and want a proper enthusiast I can invite to my hotel.[/QUOTE]Go to Akane massage soi 33.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2149942]In Asia, particularly China, Japan, the Philippines and Thailand and others there are clubs that cater specifically for Asians and the girls there are not sampled by non-Asians. However, the irony of it is that in Europe, for example the FKKs in Germany the Asians get to session the hottest white babes and some of those babes will not even session certain Caucasian dudes. Talk about reverse racism. I suppose that's just the way it is.[/QUOTE]The answer to this is very simple. These girls still want to be treated with respect, and their experiences with Asians have always been positive. On several occasions, many of these FKK girls would confess to me how they hate having sessions with local Germans or Turks, since many would play rough, lack personal hygiene and are so narcissistic. Their attitudes have always been that "You should be so grateful that I screw you, since I am making you enjoy me!. " This is the exact feedback that I get from a lot of FKK girls in Germany. Go figure.

[QUOTE=Applesauce;2149696]There sure are a lot of non-Asians here making assumptions about Asians. Do you think on the Japanese / Korean / Chinese / Singaporean forums the guys are talking about white guys? Nope! They're talking about the girls. Come on people let's focus on the girls here instead of making the very obviously racist assumptions.[/QUOTE]Sorry, dude, but discussing biases among working girls is exactly why this forum exists.

I can't tell you how many times I've screwed a Chinese girl who claimed she was happy I was Westerner and not Chinese. In this case, it's the other way around. But understanding these biases, even when they verge into (unfortunate) racism, is what makes us effective mongers.

[QUOTE=JamesRider;2149736]Let's get on with the important stuff: who gives the best rimjob in BKK right now? I'm in town for a few more days and want a proper enthusiast I can invite to my hotel.[/QUOTE]You can also get it from the BJ bars like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. I did have to ask for it and received without any hesitation though the girl mentioned she expects a small tip. A good rimming for an extra 100 B, can't beat it. She will just wipe our ass with a wet towel and go to town.

Being a borderline germaphobic, I spent about 15 minutes in their common bath to clean myself later. However later I realized there are rooms available as well.

Akane it seems specializes in rimming and it's guaranteed. You can ask the girls at BJ bars first before going with them.

[QUOTE=JamesRider;2149736]Let's get on with the important stuff: who gives the best rimjob in BKK right now? I'm in town for a few more days and want a proper enthusiast I can invite to my hotel.[/QUOTE]The best recent rimjob for me was Palmy at Tulip Massage. She knows how to do it, needs no prompting and doesn't get tired at all. All the girls at Tulip do it, but she was better than others I tried.

You can take out Tulip girls, but it gets a bit expensive. For me, their on-site service is more than adequate.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2150036]The best recent rimjob for me was Palmy at Tulip Massage. She knows how to do it, needs no prompting and doesn't get tired at all. All the girls at Tulip do it, but she was better than others I tried.[/QUOTE]Holy shit. Are you serious? Wasn't she a famous Thai singer at one point? Talk about a fallen star.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2149743]Applesauce rather than focus on racism, please just smirk.

Because the average white dude on this board hates the idea that he is treated worse than a yellow man and there is secret pussy he can't get but 3-3-3 from gangnam can. After all the white man is allowed to say no Indians allowed is not racist but cultural related (argumentative, cheap, hangs around in groups), whereas it is racism when he experiences it. It's delicious irony if you think about it.[/QUOTE]Nope, really has nothing to do with that. The "average white dude" here was raised in places where double pricing and discrimination are illegal.

Doesn't matter where anyone's raised, the evidence is everywhere here that they can dish it out but can't take it. No white guy on this board ever slurred Asians or dark skinned people right. But boy it comes up once a week how much it bugs them that girls don't go with them at Thermae and stick to loser east Asians, like monkey paw. Anyway you missed my point which is its ironic how much the white guys complain about being discriminated against. Considering how much they discriminate against darkies and yellows.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2150044]Nope, really has nothing to do with that. The "average white dude" here was raised in places where double pricing and discrimination are illegal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Supmam;2150134]Doesn't matter where anyone's raised, the evidence is everywhere here that they can dish it out but can't take it. No white guy on this board ever slurred Asians or dark skinned people right. But boy it comes up once a week how much it bugs them that girls don't go with them at Thermae and stick to loser east Asians, like monkey paw. Anyway you missed my point which is its ironic how much the white guys complain about being discriminated against. Considering how much they discriminate against darkies and yellows.[/QUOTE]This is the first time in history where the white man is now feeling marginalised everywhere, not just in hooker bars! LOL.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2150134]Doesn't matter where anyone's raised, the evidence is everywhere here that they can dish it out but can't take it. No white guy on this board ever slurred Asians or dark skinned people right. But boy it comes up once a week how much it bugs them that girls don't go with them at Thermae and stick to loser east Asians, like monkey paw. Anyway you missed my point which is its ironic how much the white guys complain about being discriminated against. Considering how much they discriminate against darkies and yellows.[/QUOTE]Dude, most of us white guys don't care whose banging the gals. We don't care if East Asian, Indians, etc are having a good time. The places we go have never discriminated against Japanese or other East Asians. Can't say the same about Indians but FFS that has absolutely nothing to do with us at all. And for that matter, do you think we would have chosen to move to Asia if we had a problem with Asians? Honestly, where's the logic in that? White folks have always experienced discrimination in Asia and the worst thing about it is in most cases, it's perfectly legal. In the West, discrimination exists, but it's illegal and you have recourse. Try opening a club in the US that is X or why only. Won't get very far.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2150134]Doesn't matter where anyone's raised, the evidence is everywhere here that they can dish it out but can't take it. No white guy on this board ever slurred Asians or dark skinned people right. But boy it comes up once a week how much it bugs them that girls don't go with them at Thermae and stick to loser east Asians, like monkey paw. Anyway you missed my point which is its ironic how much the white guys complain about being discriminated against. Considering how much they discriminate against darkies and yellows.[/QUOTE]It also comes up once a week how paying more money for less in terms of service bugs some of us, too. Or how falling for the "tequila and coke" scam practiced in some bars is a waste of money. Or that this venue doesn't have non barfineable Coyotes but that one is crawling with them. Would that be considered "waste of time and money" bias? I think the No Indians Allowed and/or Japanese/Asian Only issue is simply a continuation of that same theme, but just happens to apply more to the excluded ethnic group. Same discussion. Same goal.

I think you are overly sensitive and defensive about this.

Darkies and yellows? Average white dudes on this board frequently chastise posters for throwing racial slurs like that around. So I'll jump in and suggest you lighten up on the racism.

You want to practice peer sanctioned racism against white dudes, black dudes or Indians, open a bar or restaurant in Thailand and go for it. But it will likely get pushback from your peers here.

Hi, absolutely agree but again, it's a delicious irony when a white guy gets upset about it. All your points are totally valid but it makes me giggle when someone complains about east Asians getting different level of pussy that white guys don't. It's genuinely amusing.

Not even saying its your fault. Not sure why you feel that way.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2150175]Dude, most of us white guys don't care whose banging the gals. We don't care if East Asian, Indians, etc are having a good time. The places we go have never discriminated against Japanese or other East Asians. Can't say the same about Indians but FFS that has absolutely nothing to do with us at all. And for that matter, do you think we would have chosen to move to Asia if we had a problem with Asians? Honestly, where's the logic in that? White folks have always experienced discrimination in Asia and the worst thing about it is in most cases, it's perfectly legal. In the West, discrimination exists, but it's illegal and you have recourse. Try opening a club in the US that is X or why only. Won't get very far.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Supmam;2149743]Applesauce rather than focus on racism, please just smirk.

Because the average white dude on this board hates the idea that he is treated worse than a yellow man and there is secret pussy he can't get but 3-3-3 from gangnam can. After all the white man is allowed to say no Indians allowed is not racist but cultural related (argumentative, cheap, hangs around in groups), whereas it is racism when he experiences it. It's delicious irony if you think about it.[/QUOTE]I was over on some place in Silom that is only Japanese, not asian mind you Japanese only. I didn't know it was there and was actually looking for the night market but I noticed I was in the middle of a bunch of hookers sooooo I started paying attention. Professional interest and all.

It wasn't that they looked down on me or treated me with contempt, if you weren't Japanese you weren't visible. I started texting Goat about it because it was weird. Korean guys, ignored, Thai, ignored, not just the hookers, the restaurants and bars as well. It was literally as if we were all invisible. I left and went the couple blocks to the market and when I was done there I made another pass through. Just in time to see these Japanese guys (drunk old guys actually) sort of spill out of this van and it was as if they had given some meth to the girls and mommasans. They literally jumped off of their little stools in their white shirts and tried to get these old drunks attention. They literally surrounded them and hampered their ability to walk down the street. As they passed then they all sat down, pulled out their phones and started ignoring everybody again.

Personally I could give a shit less, I had fucked my girl candy that day and wasn't looking for pussy but it's stupid business to let money walk past your shop because it's not in the hands of a particular kind of person. It's stupid when it happens to anybody, black people, or gay people, or Indian people, it's just fucking dumb because money doesn't give a shit what color your skin is. Thousands of dollars of business walked down their street in the 30 mins I was there and they ignored it all. Do they have the right? Sure they do, it's their bodies but it's still stupid.

So no, for this white man it's not any kind of irony and Gangnam can't get pussy on that street either. The only racist I'm seeing in this thread is you.

Jeez, lighten up dudes.

I apologize to any east Asian. I'm a South Asian. It was tongue in cheek.

The board is littered with racist banter to South Asians and east asians. I smile at the authors words and never comment. I raise my glass to you as you defend my south Asian and east Asian brothers. Who don't shower much and smell of curry etc etc.

I'm not sure you see why I find it funny. Some of my best friends are oppressed white people on high salaries. Who can fuck every girl on the planet except a small percentage of Chinese Korean Thai and Japanese women. And when they sook about it, it is funny cause, hey welcome to the south Asian man world. Everyday baby.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2150178]It also comes up once a week how paying more money for less in terms of service bugs some of us, too. Or how falling for the "tequila and coke" scam practiced in some bars is a waste of money. Or that this venue doesn't have non barfineable Coyotes but that one is crawling with them. Would that be considered "waste of time and money" bias? I think the No Indians Allowed and/or Japanese/Asian Only issue is simply a continuation of that same theme, but just happens to apply more to the excluded ethnic group. Same discussion. Same goal.

I think you are overly sensitive and defensive about this.

Darkies and yellows? Average white dudes on this board frequently chastise posters for throwing racial slurs like that around. So I'll jump in and suggest you lighten up on the racism.

You want to practice peer sanctioned racism against white dudes, black dudes or Indians, open a bar or restaurant in Thailand and go for it. But it will likely get pushback from your peers here.[/QUOTE]

Admin2, you were on Thaniya Road which has always been known to allow Japanese only. It's still worth a walk through just to see it but yes it can be frustrating that many girls are not interested unless the customer is Japanese. There's easily 1000 girls on that street. The business model seems to work. Likely more men on that street than in Nana or Soi Cowboy.

There is no racism in P4P in Thailand. [blue]Deleted by Admin

I'm going to stop you right there. I'm stopping you because I have been in Thailand for two months and I have personally seen chicks that choose clients based on race. I've seen it in two cities and several bars.

It's not about bathing, nor tattoos, nor game or any of the rest of the bullshit you put in this post. It's about race. It's mostly about Japanese. This is not something I have imagined, it's something I've witnessed.

It doesn't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off, nor frustrate, nor anger me. I am not annoyed by it. It is what it is and I don't want to fuck a chick that isn't enthusiastic about earning my money. Note I didn't say enthusiastic about fucking me, just about getting my money and I have found enough here in BKK that are enthusiastic about earning my money that I could give a shit less about the Japanese only chicks but don't tell me I didn't see what was right in front of my eyes.

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[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2150202]Admin2, you were on Thaniya Road which has always been known to allow Japanese only. It's still worth a walk through just to see it but yes it can be frustrating that many girls are not interested unless the customer is Japanese. There's easily 1000 girls on that street. The business model seems to work. Likely more men on that street than in Nana or Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]Hey, if they're not providing BBFS and finishing BBBJ's orally instead of any other way, I have no use for them sexually no matter how "exclusive" to any particular group they are. LOL. They might as well be lovely potted plants lined up along that road. Of no more interest to me than non barfineable Coyotes elsewhere. And something tells me they aren't providing either for those guys. Maybe by mutual consent for all I know.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2149987]The answer to this is very simple. These girls still want to be treated with respect, and their experiences with Asians have always been positive. On several occasions, many of these FKK girls would confess to me how they hate having sessions with local Germans or Turks, since many would play rough, lack personal hygiene and are so narcissistic. Their attitudes have always been that "You should be so grateful that I screw you, since I am making you enjoy me!. " This is the exact feedback that I get from a lot of FKK girls in Germany. Go figure.[/QUOTE]The difference is that in Europe the girls are free to session with whom they wish. In the Asian only places in Asia the girls are forced to work only with Asians. In other words the discrimination is institutionalized in Asia.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2150195]I was over on some place in Silom that is only Japanese, not asian mind you Japanese only. I didn't know it was there and was actually looking for the night market but I noticed I was in the middle of a bunch of hookers sooooo I started paying attention. Professional interest and all.[/QUOTE]This probably is not discrimination. It may just be that they don't want to do business with people who can't speak Japanese to avoid misunderstanding or bad services. If you speak to them in Japanese, very likely they will welcome you in.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2150175]Dude, most of us white guys don't care whose banging the gals. We don't care if East Asian, Indians, etc are having a good time. The places we go have never discriminated against Japanese or other East Asians. Can't say the same about Indians but FFS that has absolutely nothing to do with us at all. And for that matter, do you think we would have chosen to move to Asia if we had a problem with Asians? Honestly, where's the logic in that? White folks have always experienced discrimination in Asia and the worst thing about it is in most cases, it's perfectly legal. In the West, discrimination exists, but it's illegal and you have recourse. Try opening a club in the US that is X or why only. Won't get very far.[/QUOTE]Goat. Your inbox is full!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2150202]Admin2, you were on Thaniya Road which has always been known to allow Japanese only. It's still worth a walk through just to see it but yes it can be frustrating that many girls are not interested unless the customer is Japanese. There's easily 1000 girls on that street. The business model seems to work. Likely more men on that street than in Nana or Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]Not frustrating, wasn't really looking to get laid, had been really well laid that day already, walked down that street by accident. What I thought it was was fucking bizarre and it's bad business. Because somebody is staying open doesn't mean they are maximizing the money they make. I even understand it's been there a long time, still doesn't change the fact that they are leaving 10's of 1000's of dollars on the table every day.

There wasn't more guys than Nana when I was there (I'm happy to take your word on it that there often is)

I agree though, it was a lot of chicks (all dressed in white) that weren't selling much pussy.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2150378]

I agree though, it was a lot of chicks (all dressed in white) that weren't selling much pussy.[/QUOTE]My point in my previous post is a variation of that sentiment. From what I hear about these Japanese/Asian Only venues or even the fishbowl establishments that prefer that clientele and require a Farang surcharge, it is covered everything, very little if any likelihood of a genuine oral finish and more about being alone with a pretty, young girl than engaging in what for many of us qualifies as real sex.

For those of us, such as myself, who define sex to be skin on skin contact that culminates with cumming inside a female oriface rather than inside a barrier, the offerings at these kinds of places sound like little more actual sexual activity than getting a haircut or a foot massage. Which also accounts for the numbers and profile of the providers who apply for the job, imo. We're talking about easy money here that in the vast majority of cases might not even be regarded as "sex" for money by the little ladies going through the motions.

I have walked past these places many times and never felt denied anything or missing much particularly worthwhile of a sexual nature by not being a member of the chosen ethnic group allowed to spend their money there.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2150298]This probably is not discrimination. It may just be that they don't want to do business with people who can't speak Japanese to avoid misunderstanding or bad services. If you speak to them in Japanese, very likely they will welcome you in.[/QUOTE]Uh no, that is definitely not the case.

Do most FLs do their business mostly around the lower Sois? (Soi 4, around the Nana area). Or do they also conduct their business around the upper Sois? (Sois 20's Thru 30's?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2150501]Uh no, that is definitely not the case.[/QUOTE]Goatscrot, I believe you have had Japanese friends or acquaintances on holiday in Bangkok who have tried those Thaniya Road or other such venues, no? I have. I've been introduced to them or met them on my rounds and we hung out together 2-3 nights. I asked how the action is in those places and they just wince and shrug like it was no big deal. I don't think they were sparing my feelings for "missing out" on some fantastic P4P sexual nirvana due to my unfortunate ethnic origins. LOL. And they never broke away from hanging around with me, learning tips on getting the best out of girls in the go-go bars we visited, in order to return to one of those Thaniya Road type venues for something supposedly better than what they found was possible in the regular go-go bars in Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2150298]This probably is not discrimination. It may just be that they don't want to do business with people who can't speak Japanese to avoid misunderstanding or bad services. If you speak to them in Japanese, very likely they will welcome you in.[/QUOTE]The night I was there the mommas were speaking to the drunk Japanese guys in English, I clearly heard that.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2150456]I have walked past these places many times and never felt denied anything or missing much particularly worthwhile of a sexual nature by not being a member of the chosen ethnic group allowed to spend their money there.[/QUOTE]Exactly, I thought it was interesting to watch, and I'm glad I got to see it as part of my BKK experience but I don't feel in any way as if I was denied or missed anything. If anything I felt like I avoiding something I would have later regretted.

It's my first writing here. According to me it's not exactly racial discrimination, it looks more like face control trying to differentiate spender from only watchers. Last week I was in Bangkok, Tuesday at around 12 am I headed to Crazy House, I'm 40, Caucasian, at the entrance there were bunch of young Chinese guys trying to enter and the guard told them 100 baht each entrance fee, they paid, I was next I have the 100 baht note ready in my hand, I said "Sawatdee krup, how it's going", the guard looked at me, asked "where do you come from?" I said "Bulgaria", he said "welcome, have a nice time" and opened the curtain, doesn't even look at my 100 baht note, which still was in my hand ready. I spend inside around 800 baht (few Jameson+soda & lady drink) and after an hour left. Meanwhile the same Chinese guys still have their first and only breezers. (So I took one chair and left more than them taking 5 chairs) On my way out the guard was collecting the 100 baht notes from a bunch of young polish guys.

Well, I think this is fare policy, these are a Night Bars, not a charity organization, they work for a profit. In my country every venue like this has 200 baht entrance fee and the prices inside are the same. It's not normal to go inside, spend €3.5 on a beer and watch naked women all night. Even internet porn is more expensive.

What bothers me is that with tipping you are fucking up the scene. In March 2017 I visited Bangkok for first time and never heard the word "tip". This year I already heard it everywhere, even the girl in Crazy House, to which I bought the lady drink, which actually was the double one (tequila & coke, but I liked her and I was aware of the fact it's double) asked for a tip. Sure I didn't give her.

What is a tip? A reward given for additional services which are not included in the price! (Cab driver rounds the bill, they don't have usually enough small money, waiter-usually his services are included in the price, but when he / she adds sth from themselves and make you feel better, sure a tip.).

Why shall I tip the stripper, when I pay the lady drink or at Magic table after the BJ. They didn't add anything additionally to make me tip. You ask for a service, they tell you the price and it's done, when they include sth. Extra for e. G. Rim job or sth. Else, then it's different. I tipped the waitress, she called the girl, stays next to me, as soon as I raised my eyes she asked me whether I needed sth. This is additional service.

Problem with the free tips you are giving is that next year they'll be included, this year I paid 1200 for a BJ when I give 100 tip, next year for sure the BJ will be 1300. When you see that everybody covers you ask price and gives you even more it's normal next time to raise you ask price. It's simple economy. And you'll come back to complain in the forums how the things were different 10 years ago. (Never seen these dream times BTW.

You said Thais have different places – sure, they can't cover the high prices, which westeners have brought.

Japan guys have already spoiled their scene. I agree to MonkeyPaw's post, I'm also sure, when you spend like Japanese guy, you won't be denied entrance in their places.

P.S. Sorry for my English, I'm not a native speaker, but I think I've expressed my opinion.

[QUOTE=TrumTram;2150637]the guard looked at me, asked "where do you come from?" I said "Bulgaria"[/QUOTE]Had a very hot Bulgarian blonde at Club Globe, Zurich a couple of years back. Your post called the experience to mind. LOL.

It is clear that Thailand I changing fast. Earler I've seen chunky african women around Litte Arabia. At least up to my last trip in -16. This time I saw lots of african girls. Younger, slimmer and cuter. And they dress to compete with the local girls.

They are pure africans, black as sin. Not those mixed race kind of girls. Some of them even equally pushy as some of the Soi 7/1 massage grandmothers. I wonder what hotels do with them. Considered as a thai girl who leaves ID in reception or means ST hotel?

Am not sure I like all changes. Especially not when fave places like Nataree is Forced to close and Street food hawkers are forced away from farang getthos.

[QUOTE=DivineBaal;2151051]

They are pure africans, black as sin.
[/QUOTE]And the problem is? You sound like an 18th century explorer who's never seen a black person before. Africa is not a country, it's a continent. People from each country in Africa actually look different.

In case you have been living in a cave all these years, Thailand is rapidly developing. Thai girls with minimal education now have other options besides prostitution and salaries are on the rise.

You might not like black girls, but 1000's of farangs obviously do. Otherwise they wouldn't be plying their trade. It's called supply and demand.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2150514]The night I was there the mommas were speaking to the drunk Japanese guys in English, I clearly heard that.[/QUOTE]A few years ago, I went with my friend to a club with a "Japanese Only" sign, then my friend spoke in broken Japanese, the mms promptly turned the sign over and let us in.

Japanese used to have much larger presence and many have company expense accounts to pay for entertainment. Most of these clubs are Japanese style clubs to make themselves feel like home I guess. They are owned by Japanese or by their mistresses. Japanese companies have been moving manufacturing to other countries. Because the reduce business the club ownership also have changed. Many now will accept foreigners, mainly Asian probably, and frequently they will ask which countries you are from first. Most the ground floor ones will accept customers based on certain profile, it is not entirely by race because you can see the same race from one country is accepted but is rejected when the customer is from another country even both countries speak the same language.

There are various types of clubs. Some are membership only. Not all clubs allow sex or take out so you need to check in advance. You can usually get the girls by hour like 1000 be / HR which will include some drinks. If you want a place to chat and sing with a girl without pressure, these clubs are good for that.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2151057]
You might not like black girls, but 1000's of farangs obviously do. Otherwise they wouldn't be plying their trade. It's called supply and demand.[/QUOTE]It puzzles me how they might get much business, not due to black skin, but the average standard of face and body is not very high. I have done much prettier black girls Overseas. I did meet one or two incredibly hot black girls in Bangkok (one was probably named Christina at a pub) but has been quite hard to find them again. Average looks is not going to work for some of us.

I wonder if speaking English is an advantage for some of them? As I speak Thai, I don't have language barrier problems. If a girl is hot enough, I would not even care if communication is very tough.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2151433]It puzzles me how they might get much business, not due to black skin, but the average standard of face and body is not very high. I have done much prettier black girls Overseas. I did meet one or two incredibly hot black girls in Bangkok (one was probably named Christina at a pub) but has been quite hard to find them again. Average looks is not going to work for some of us.

I wonder if speaking English is an advantage for some of them? As I speak Thai, I don't have language barrier problems. If a girl is hot enough, I would not even care if communication is very tough.[/QUOTE]I think guys take them just for something different. However, it's a shame because most of the black African chicks in Bangkok are butt ugly and giving them money is just encouraging more butt ugly black girls to show up. Of the hundreds I have seen, there was only one I saw that I would have had sex with. If guys would stop taking those fugly chicks, they would stop cluttering up the streets. I've traveled all over Africa and there are a lot of hot girls there, but they obviously are not the ones coming to Bangkok. The ones coming to Bangkok are the bottom of the barrel.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2151466]I think guys take them just for something different. However, it's a shame because most of the black African chicks in Bangkok are butt ugly ....[/QUOTE]Not much more ugly than most beer bar girls. Same overall level as beer bars I'd say. And that again might be the reason why those who come from Africa are the bottom of the barrel. If beer bar MILFs find plenty of clients so will bottom of the barrel Africans.

[QUOTE=XXL;2151477]Not much more ugly than most beer bar girls. [/QUOTE]Not much more ugly than the average, bald headed, pasty white, obese, hairy, sweaty, smelly farang punter in a pair of ridiculous looking shorts and a knock off polo shirt I would say. LOL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2151466]I think guys take them just for something different. However, it's a shame because most of the black African chicks in Bangkok are butt ugly and giving them money is just encouraging more butt ugly black girls to show up. Of the hundreds I have seen, there was only one I saw that I would have had sex with. If guys would stop taking those fugly chicks, they would stop cluttering up the streets. I've traveled all over Africa and there are a lot of hot girls there, but they obviously are not the ones coming to Bangkok. The ones coming to Bangkok are the bottom of the barrel.[/QUOTE]Like the western guys are the bottom of the barrel?

[QUOTE=XXL;2151477]Not much more ugly than most beer bar girls. Same overall level as beer bars I'd say. And that again might be the reason why those who come from Africa are the bottom of the barrel. If beer bar MILFs find plenty of clients so will bottom of the barrel Africans.[/QUOTE]This is the last girl I pulled from a beer bar near Nana.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2151654]This is the last girl I pulled from a beer bar near Nana.[/QUOTE]It is not impossible to find an acceptable looking african lady in Bangkok. My hesitation would be getting set up for a poor service experience. Plus asian ladies are plenty hot enough for me, and there are 1000's of those about. And sometimes hotels get finicky about non-Thai national joiners. YMMV.

As for the pic: the purse over the crotch is a common ladyboy tell aka fig leaf covering their junk.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2151661]
As for the pic: the purse over the crotch is a common ladyboy tell aka fig leaf covering their junk.[/QUOTE]Oh really? However this girl is definitely not a ladyboy.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2151654]This is the last girl I pulled from a beer bar near Nana.[/QUOTE]Good find Smoothy, she's very nice, but I think you must admit that she's the exception to the rule.

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;2150505]Do most FLs do their business mostly around the lower Sois? (Soi 4, around the Nana area). Or do they also conduct their business around the upper Sois? (Sois 20's Thru 30's?[/QUOTE]I've only seen FLs up until Asok. 95% on the north side of Sukhumvit. I've seen some on the south side at Asok and closer to Soi 4 and Nana, but the latter were all ladyboys.

Hi,

What was the damaged for her?

Chico.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2151654]This is the last girl I pulled from a beer bar near Nana.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2151661]As for the pic: the purse over the crotch is a common ladyboy tell aka fig leaf covering their junk.

SL.[/QUOTE]I agree that the best looking girls are normally lady boys. However, that one was definitely not a lady boy.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2151057]
You might not like black girls, but 1000's of farangs obviously do. Otherwise they wouldn't be plying their trade. It's called supply and demand.[/QUOTE]I am not sure about their popularity in BKK or Pattaya. Over the years I have chatted with a handful of almost doable black girls who all told me the same story that they were very disenchanted with LOS. Back in Kenya or wherever, they had been promised a lot of money by their handlers, but the real money never was realized once they arrived and they were looking forward to leaving Thailand as soon as their time was up.

I gather that the sheer number of broke African girls plus the big promise of riches to come attracts these girls in the large numbers to sign up for the Thailand tour. The only really attractive African girl I ever saw in BKK was a cafe latte colored spinner from Tanzania. I dodged a bullet with that one thanks to the fact that I had just enjoyed a threesome with my 2 Thai favorites and had no power left to take Ms. Tanzania back to my loom. Weeks later I found out that Syzygies, by coincidence, had met the same girl, but he was not as lucky as I was.

My best advice when in LOS is stick with the local girls. The only exception I make is the occasional Lao or Khmer girl who has succeeded in blending in. Singapore, Macau, and to a lesser degree Jakarta are better destinations to go hunting for import girls. I have had great times with Chinese and Viet girls in these 3 cities.

As far as African girls go, well hell man, I am an American. We have a lot of African American girls here. It is no problem hooking up with them if you have some game and are a reasonably nice guy plus the Caribbean, Cartagena, and Rio are just a few hours away by jet. So, just about the last girls I am looking to meet in BKK are African girls. But I admit I would really like to shag a few Ethiopian girls. I find them attractive, exotic and unlike most other sub Saharan African girls I have seen. Sadly, I have never shagged an Ethiopian girl, much less met one in LOS. I know what I could do about it, but I don't feel like spending the time or money checking out Addis Ababa. Still, I have not entirely ruled out a trip there one of these days. The word I have heard is yes, there are some super attractive girls in Addis Ababa, but they are 1 expensive and 2 sex is limited to the basics (missionary & no BBBJ's for example). I don't know if this is completely true or not, but this is the main reason I have not gone there as of yet. I do know the food is great!

The sweeping generalities often posted here are, well, generally true. However, since I am not an agogo fan I spend most of my time in beer bars where I can play pool. Most of the women are, at best, milfs and for sure some fuglies. However, I am often surprised by young newly recruited talent that shows up in these places. There was a 19 yo fresh off the farm who only lasted a couple of weeks. Not sure what happened to her. I know of a 20 yo and a 22 yo in 2 separate bars that would probably meet most guys' "spec". There is a new face in Hillary 2 in the daytime who looks like an exotic import from China. Slim, pretty and sexy. She might be 25 tops. I have not talked to her. I must add a general disclaimer that it may be that my eye sees more beauty than most. I recently pulled a MILF, about a 6 overall, from a beer bar because I put my beer goggles on and became enchanted with the beauty of her mouth. What a great experience that turned out to be. My spec is pretty broad and I'm having a great time.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2151940]I am not sure about their popularity in BKK or Pattaya. Over the years I have chatted with a handful of almost doable black girls who all told me the same story that they were very disenchanted with LOS. Back in Kenya or wherever, they had been promised a lot of money by their handlers, but the real money never was realized once they arrived and they were looking forward to leaving Thailand as soon as their time was up.
[/QUOTE]I've never been with an African chick before but wonder about the hygiene of the African FLs in BKK. The Thai and Filipino girls usually keep their pussies very clean and once in the room, they are usually straight into the shower. I have a friend who used to work on mining projects in Sierra Leone, and he said when he picked up a SW in Freetown, when back at the hotel, he would throw them in a warm bath for half an hour first to make sure they were properly clean!

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2152014]The Thai and Filipino girls usually keep their pussies very clean and once in the room, they are usually straight into the shower.[/QUOTE]Yeah, in order to quickly wash away some STD stench and the spit of previous punters.

Since Nataree is gone, and the aGoGo bars get worse and worse (girl rates, barfines, double ladydrink BS, coyotes), I turn more and more to Thaifriendly and made some good experiences there. I now have a couple of 19-21 yo normal Thai girls (students, workers) that charge me 1,500-2,000 for a short time at my place and are quite hot. Sure, not the tall Chinese-looking girl you would find a some soapies; not a PSE you might get at some oilies. But definitely aGoGo material. Slim, petite bodies; not too dark skinned (more the Bangkok type); girl-from-next-door Type delivering a good GFE with French kissing, 69/ DATY, BBBJ, BBFS, and no complaints or starfish attitudes. One even has a big natural C-cup boobs attached to super-well formed small body and a super-sweet baby face. There's even a deaf girl if that's your taste, but she wanted 3,000 for BBFS.

Other girls ask 2,500-3,000, so I didn't try those. Most seem to he ok to settle for 1,500-2,000; some might ask for taxi fee, but most agree on these rates as all-in (obviously depends on where you're staying, I'm talking about lower Sukhumvit area here).

Can't share their details here as I'm not a paying member, but they're are generally not that difficult to find. Just ask all 18-21 yo girls who didn't put any profile bio about themselves and no restriction to the age range what they're looking for. Ca. 20% will answer they're looking for customers and are happy to negotiate further via line.

Other girls I don't ask, as those are freebie material.

[QUOTE=XXL;2152042]Yeah, in order to quickly wash away some STD stench and the spit of previous punters.[/QUOTE]Quick shower and she might as well be a virgin.