[QUOTE=Tiger 1]May I guess that you meant Gulliver's?[/QUOTE]
Yes, Gulliver's. Galigher's is another place, but no Viet girls there. Thank you.
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[QUOTE=Tiger 1]May I guess that you meant Gulliver's?[/QUOTE]
Yes, Gulliver's. Galigher's is another place, but no Viet girls there. Thank you.
Hello Priamus,
There are some very effective responses to the "prostitution is slavery" claim.
The first is a number of books released recently written by current or former prostitutes which show very clearly that they were not slaves, they made conscious decisions to get into the business, and they continued of their own free choice. Most became quite wealthy, if they did not get into the drugs system.
The second is that by definition, a slave is a person who has no choice, and receives no payment for their efforts. This is clearly not the reality.
However, when it comes to the slave trade industry, my response is "find them and hang them publicly". This has generally shut the protagonists up, because they are also against all forms of capital punishment.
Best wishes, keep at it,
Pirate Pete
Pete you ignore the 2 sides of the coin - there IS slavery in some locations but in an "open" location, it's not likely - where the ladies can go off and about, it's a matter of "choice"
[QUOTE=Piratepete]Hello Priamus,
The second is that by definition, a slave is a person who has no choice, and receives no payment for their efforts. This is clearly not the reality.
Pirate Pete[/QUOTE]
Yes, Slavery it does exist in LOS as I've seen it 1st hand. Was not looking for it so Not intentional as the tuk tuk took me to a small house just outside of BKK when I told him looking for *****houses . There were thuggy men at the door/gate with knives--thought I was going to be rob by them, but not the case. Walked me inside and there were no Fishbowl or lineup, walk me into each room (about 5-6 I think) and in each were young gals CHAINED to the bed--to prevent escape. It was depressing to see and really turned off by this so left (wasnt sure if they were still going to rob me on the way out as I didnt take a gal). I ask driver later if gals were allowed outside and he said some have not seen the outside for years!!!--yes , there is slavery in the modern world.
PT
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Yes, Slavery it does exist in LOS ... and in each were young gals CHAINED to the bed--to prevent escape.... some have not seen the outside for years!!!--yes , there is slavery in the modern world.
PT[/QUOTE]
Did you do anything about this? Report it to the police or someone. Wouldnt the Thai police put a stop to this? I dont know. It sounds terrible. I would have a hard time seeing something like this and not trying to affect an end to it.
Regards Horatio
[QUOTE=Horatio]Did you do anything about this? Report it to the police or someone. Wouldnt the Thai police put a stop to this? I dont know. It sounds terrible. I would have a hard time seeing something like this and not trying to affect an end to it.
Regards Horatio[/QUOTE]
Can I do anything about this?---No, I couldnt even find the place if I tried.
Did this bother me to witness all this in person?--Yes, I'm not a heartless thug.
Will the police stop this?---No way, From what I had heard afterwards, the police is ALWAYS in on this. They all know about these places and are often paid "protection money=bribes" and use police resourses to track down and return girls that runs away.
Try to affect an end to it????----Like it or not, its part of the Thai society we will never see. I only accidentally saw one house but there are thousands of them all over Thailand as gals are often "sold" to sex slavers by their own family for money and drugs and many others are kidnapped, never to be seen again. We may find all this depressing but its all normal and accepted business for the local men as they use these houses all the time, They are the main and only customers.
It's the Dark Side of P4P.
Before you become a hero and "try to affect an end to this" in another country. Think about what you are asking as sex slavery exist in your own countries.--just pick up a newspaper and once in a while you'll read about so and so sex traffikers caught in so and so cities at home. We cant even clean up our own act, how can we possible clean up the rest of the world.
PT
1-BAll,
sorry was only trying to clarify an answer! didn't think anyone would notice!
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Gentlemen,
Lets go a little further with the clarification if I'm in the U.S. and I've been calling a mobile number for example. 011-66-9-123-4567 is the new format now to be 011-66-89-123-4567?
Thanks,LBM[/QUOTE]
LBM,
absolutely correct, but the new numbers aren't in effect by today.
I am calling LOS on a daily basis and neither DTAC nor 1-2-call have changed to the new system so far. I assume they will do so in Nov.
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Can I do anything about this?---No, I couldnt even find the place if I tried.
Did this bother me to witness all this in person?--Yes, I'm not a heartless thug.
Will the police stop this?---No way, From what I had heard afterwards, the police is ALWAYS in on this. They all know about these places and are often paid "protection money=bribes" and use police resourses to track down and return girls that runs away.
[/QUOTE]
Phantomtiger,
yes you can do anything about it. Please don't get me wrong, I don't blame you but you should have reported it to police, no matter what you think. It's correct that local police often collects bribes, but there are special units which try to crack down on it.
Maybe you should have tried to remember the name of the Soi, any street close by, a landmark or simply the licence plate of the tuk tuk that brought you there. If you don't dare to get involved, pass that info to me via PM. I have a couple of police friends, some are CID and they will do what is necessary to find the girls, free them and get those guys behind it.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Phantomtiger,
yes you can do anything about it. Please don't get me wrong, I don't blame you but you should have reported it to police, no matter what you think. It's correct that local police often collects bribes, but there are special units which try to crack down on it.
Maybe you should have tried to remember the name of the Soi, any street close by, a landmark or simply the licence plate of the tuk tuk that brought you there. If you don't dare to get involved, pass that info to me via PM. I have a couple of police friends, some are CID and they will do what is necessary to find the girls, free them and get those guys behind it.[/QUOTE]This whole thread is shocking. I think we on this forum consider ourselves as reasonable men who pay for consenting sex- or get it for free if you are that good. We should do anything and everything we can to stamp out sex slavery, ie we should report it. If there are no trusted sources, use this forum, as we have already seen, there are people here with contacts. Well done for highlighting it, and let's get these scum bags behind bars.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]LBM,
absolutely correct, but the new numbers aren't in effect by today.
I am calling LOS on a daily basis and neither DTAC nor 1-2-call have changed to the new system so far. I assume they will do so in Nov.[/QUOTE]TT,
Not correct, as of yesterday I couldn't my girlfriend any longer without adding the 8.
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Can I do anything about this?---No, I couldnt even find the place if I tried.
Did this bother me to witness all this in person?--Yes, I'm not a heartless thug.
Will the police stop this?---No way, From what I had heard afterwards, the police is ALWAYS in on this. They all know about these places and are often paid "protection money=bribes" and use police resourses to track down and return girls that runs away.
Try to affect an end to it????----Like it or not, its part of the Thai society we will never see. I only accidentally saw one house but there are thousands of them all over Thailand as gals are often "sold" to sex slavers by their own family for money and drugs and many others are kidnapped, never to be seen again. We may find all this depressing but its all normal and accepted business for the local men as they use these houses all the time, They are the main and only customers.
It's the Dark Side of P4P.
Before you become a hero and "try to affect an end to this" in another country. Think about what you are asking as sex slavery exist in your own countries.--just pick up a newspaper and once in a while you'll read about so and so sex traffikers caught in so and so cities at home. We cant even clean up our own act, how can we possible clean up the rest of the world.
PT[/QUOTE]A search of the internet will show that sex slavery occurrs all over the world. e.g. UK, USA, Australia, Dubai, just to name a few.
The girls often can't escape because they are illegal immigrants.
But I'm referring to any held against there will who wish to get out.
I remeber a big raid on a pace in Ranong a while back.
Many young girls freed.
I hope the "thousands" of places is a massive exaggeration.
Naturally any known places in Thailand should be exposed to both police and media to ensure something is done. We can always find non-corrupt people somewhere. So information must be given to multiple recipients.
Its hard to imagine the locations staying secret for long with all the modern day GPS equipment available.
Cannot be justified by just saying that corruption exists.
Freedom is supposed to basic human right.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/10Sep2006_news04.php[/url]
Thailand intends to stop the "permanent visa on arrival"
[QUOTE=Dinghy][url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/10Sep2006_news04.php[/url]
Thailand intends to stop the "permanent visa on arrival"[/QUOTE]
But is does not affect most of the frequent visitors coming to Thailand for mongering. It only affects the ones who more or less in fact are residents here and just don't go the officiell way. These also don't pay taxes on their hidden business etc.
So I can't see any bad thing in that. There are the same rules e.g. for Japan. There it is not allowed to stay in the country for more then 90 days in a year without beeing registered. And the 90 Days count as collective, however often you enter and go out.
So probably the new Thai rule with 3 entries needs some time limitation.
But the new rules only cause some inconvenience for the ones using this obvious leak of immigration regulations. Some simply need to register.
regards
Brain666
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