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[QUOTE=Run Mann]I was repeating the comments of others not validating them.[/QUOTE]Why post comments you don't validate/support? then better not post them at all because the way your post was written, I thought it was your opinion and not you repeating from others.

On the Annies subject, I have always had a great time there and service was "up there" with the "big boys": Tulip, SOL, Eden.

Don't expect to find stunners @ Annies, but then there aren't any at the other places that offer the same kind of service either so I guess it's a wash.

Look, for 1,700 thb you get 2 hours and guaranteed 2 pops: No other place in Sukh will guarantee you that. Even Tulip is 2,300 for 2 hours.

Girls beauty (or lack of) is up to the punters discretion

Already to many Tulip reports I know but last week I went back there, just for a change, consulting my short list with names but again most of the top stars have been occupied, I was not able to book in advance so I had to try my luck, could say again bad luck but no, FA was available and I took here again till full satisfaction.

Leaving the 90 min. Tulip package details on the site I must say she was again big fun and playful, She is a real doll, I only feel sorry for the big surgery scar she as on her lower belly, looks like it as been done with a chainsaw, she is not the only one I know and this is done in a city where the make so much publicity being specialized in microsurgery. However, it as no effect on here quality as tulip provider

John

I was able to gain an extra day/night in Bangkok this week and I thought it would be good time to check out Tulip and find a replacement for my regular, the newly married Ms Nong.

I arrived in Bangkok fairly late and it was probably after 21h30 before I got to Tulip. I introduced myself to Ms Nim at the desk, and explained my mission. She handed me the book. It’s been a long time since I looked at the book. Geez, the photos are just terrible! I asked to meet the ladies in person.

Downstairs I went and I was surprised to see about 15 to 20 ladies present. Business is slow. I introduced myself and what I was interested in. (Well, they knew what I was interested in when I walked down the stairs, right?) Some chit-chat followed before I asked one of the ladies if she was interested in going out with me for the night. Offer accepted and I made the financial arrangements upstairs, while she changed.

I’ve spent most of the last 3 days and all of nights with this lady. I’ve learned that-
• The Tulip downstairs is a snake pit of gossip. Hormonal imbalances pour fuel on the fire.
• The girls really lose status if we butterfly. The second day, my new friend stopped in and got a ton of questions from her colleagues about whether TTG was coming back to choose another lady. The guys who butterfly get badmouthed, too. (Go figure. Prostitutes criticizing us for sexual promiscuity?)
• During the discussion when I learned about this status losing/gaining, my friend said “It’s ok you want another Tulip girl. I know guys want different sometimes.” Right. Later, in bed she asked me not to go with another Tulip girl. Please. Between the first statement and the second, we were watching a Thai movie about some guy who cheats on his wife. My friend said, “If my husband ever do that, I cut off his dick.” Gulp!
• My new friend will not eat western food – except for ice cream, which she consumes with gusto and in large amounts.
• She looks ridiculous in sexy underwear and my socks (because her feet get cold.) She looks much better without the underwear.
• After I gave her a present of Valentines chocolates in bed, she said “Oh yeh! You take off my bikini then give me present!” I told her that was from the heart. If a guy gives her chocolates first, be sure he wants to get her pants off.

Nope, no name guys. Just an insight into what it’s like to spend more than two hours with one of the ladies. More to come.
~TTG

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy]
• The girls really lose status if we butterfly.[/quote]

Yes, clearly but I don't think this is something WE should be bothered about. LEt the Internal Massage Girl Politics where it belongs and try to enjoy yourself.

[quote]Later, in bed she asked me not to go with another Tulip girl.[/quote]

Well of course she will, in fact, the opposite would have been abnormal. She is trying to protect her BUSINESS.

There is no gaining or losing face. I believe they play on this to make us feel bad about getting another girl.

I have asked my Thai Staff (2 guys whom I know are very regular at soapies) and they laughed their ass off at how stupid we Farangs are. They basically said that since it is THEIR money, they can get entertained by whoever they chose and if any girl gives them attitude, they will tell the Papasan later on.

TTG: Thanks a lot for the great post and insight ;)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Yes, clearly but I don't think this is something WE should be bothered about. LEt the Internal Massage Girl Politics where it belongs and try to enjoy yourself.[/QUOTE]I agree... and I think TTG does, too, reading all his bullets. Really a fun post!!

I wonder whether this question is somehow handled differently in a place like Akane, where there is much good-natured teasing by the other girls when you sit there with your choosen one or go up and down the stairs.

In Tulip, they tend to hide or quickly look around corners, smile somewhat shyly when you meet an "ex" on the stairs or sitting there for a hair-do etc.

The behavior is actually so different that I've been wondering whether the fun atmosphere in Akane is due to management policy.

The issue raised by TTG, Nic and Easy2007 is an interesting one. My view tends to fall halfway between that of TTG and Easy2007. For me, an encounter is much more enjoyable if I build a relationship with the girl. If you're an indiscriminate butterfly, this seems to detract from the relationship. I was worried about this issue when I used to go with Fa at Tulip, then switched to Yok, then tried Fa again before returning to Yok. I was concerned that Fa would not give me as good a service after she knew that I had been with Fa. As it turned out, Fa gave me just as good service (maybe even better) after I had been with Yok. This casts some doubt on the theory that the girls give inferior service to butterflies. On the other hand, I built a relationship with Yok by taking her out for three days running, seeing her exclusively. This was one of the best experiences of my life, so it provides evidence that focussing on one and not butterflying may be more rewarding.

Also, on the tipping issue, my point of view is much different than that of Easy2007. The amount of tips we're talking about, let's say 1,000 to 2,000 baht is a relatively small amount to a westerner, but means more to a Thai lady. I would rather be generous if I receive good service. I like to make them happy if they make me happy and I think it also improves the relationship over time. It amounts to a sense of fair play in rewarding great service. I think it's shortsighted to pay the least amount possible and avoid tipping. In my experience, the men who fight for the last baht are really not very happy and really don't enjoy life as much as the more generous people. For those of you who have the philosophy of beating down the price as much as possible, my advice is to try being generous for a while, and see if this doesn't improve your life.

[QUOTE=Canyon]
Also, on the tipping issue, my point of view is much different than that of Easy2007. The amount of tips we're talking about, let's say 1,000 to 2,000 baht is a relatively small amount to a westerner, but means more to a Thai lady.[/QUOTE]

No, 1,000 - 2,000 baht is a huge amount of money to a westerner living and working in Thailand (salaries here are typically 30-40,000/month). The ladies in Tulip or any Bangkok soapy most certainly make far more than I do, Canyon.

Last time I was in Tulip I was chatting with the lady about her trips home to visit the family - she always flies back to her small town upcountry. She simply makes too much for bus travel to make sense. I can assure you I always take the bus, and can't afford otherwise.

[QUOTE=Opebo]No, 1,000 - 2,000 baht is a huge amount of money to a westerner living and working in Thailand (salaries here are typically 30-40,000/month). The ladies in Tulip or any Bangkok soapy most certainly make far more than I do[/QUOTE]In my opinion this words should be written in big letters at the arrival from Suvarnabhumi Airport.

[QUOTE=Opebo]No, 1,000 - 2,000 baht is a huge amount of money to a westerner living and working in Thailand (salaries here are typically 30-40,000/month). The ladies in Tulip or any Bangkok soapy most certainly make far more than I do, Canyon.

You raise an interesting point. I assume you mean that a farang English teacher makes around 40,000 a month, so that's a little over $1,100 US per month or around $14,000 US per year.. An average performer at Tulip probably has two sessions per day, so collects around 3,000 (1,500 X 2) and perhaps works 22 days a month, so would gross around 66,000. I understand she has expenses including supplies, takeout food, etc. Let's assume that expenses are 16,000 per month, so she would net around 50,000, which is more than you make, but not a lot more. A top performer would average around four sessions per day, so that would be 6,000 or 132,000 gross or around 115,000 net which is almost $3,300 US per month or $40,000 US per year. In that situation, I agree that she makes far more than you do. On the other hand, a below-average performer would probably only average one session per day or 1,500 X 22 or 33,000 per month. Let's assume she can keep her expenses down to 8,000 per month, so that would be 25,000 per month net which is less than you make.

However, a middle-class man from the US or Western Europe would make around $75,000 US per year or $6,250 per month. In this context, 1,000 baht or $29 is not a significant sum of money. Even 2,000 baht or $58 US is not a substantial sum for someone in that income bracket.

Let me be clear that I'm not advocating tipping for average performance, as Nic accused me of doing. What I'm saying is that if a girl goes above and beyond the call of duty and gives you a great time, performing at a very high level, I think a generous tip is in order. In my view, it's the right thing to do. The amount I suggested, however, only applies to those with western salaries. If you earn a Thailand-style salary, I think a different tipping policy is appropriate.

I've been very fortunate in life, so I'm happy to share my good fortune with others who give me pleasure. For those with more limited means, it's appropriate to be more frugal.

So you say the average is 75k a year for a middle-class man, LOL. Get a grip man

Just as a note, most currencies has depreciated 20-35% against the dollar the last year. Which makes that statement even more ridiculos.

[QUOTE=Canyon][QUOTE=Opebo]No, 1,000 - 2,000 baht is a huge amount of money to a westerner living and working in Thailand (salaries here are typically 30-40,000/month). The ladies in Tulip or any Bangkok soapy most certainly make far more than I do, Canyon.

You raise an interesting point. I assume you mean that a farang English teacher makes around 40,000 a month, so that's a little over $1,100 US per month or around $14,000 US per year.. An average performer at Tulip probably has two sessions per day, so collects around 3,000 (1,500 X 2) and perhaps works 22 days a month, so would gross around 66,000. I understand she has expenses including supplies, takeout food, etc. Let's assume that expenses are 16,000 per month, so she would net around 50,000, which is more than you make, but not a lot more. A top performer would average around four sessions per day, so that would be 6,000 or 132,000 gross or around 115,000 net which is almost $3,300 US per month or $40,000 US per year. In that situation, I agree that she makes far more than you do. On the other hand, a below-average performer would probably only average one session per day or 1,500 X 22 or 33,000 per month. Let's assume she can keep her expenses down to 8,000 per month, so that would be 25,000 per month net which is less than you make.

However, a middle-class man from the US or Western Europe would make around $75,000 US per year or $6,250 per month. In this context, 1,000 baht or $29 is not a significant sum of money. Even 2,000 baht or $58 US is not a substantial sum for someone in that income bracket.

Let me be clear that I'm not advocating tipping for average performance, as Nic accused me of doing. What I'm saying is that if a girl goes above and beyond the call of duty and gives you a great time, performing at a very high level, I think a generous tip is in order. In my view, it's the right thing to do. The amount I suggested, however, only applies to those with western salaries. If you earn a Thailand-style salary, I think a different tipping policy is appropriate.

I've been very fortunate in life, so I'm happy to share my good fortune with others who give me pleasure. For those with more limited means, it's appropriate to be more frugal.[/QUOTE]

[quote=nicfrenchy]
there is no gaining or losing face. i believe they play on this to make us feel bad about getting another girl.

i have asked my thai staff (2 guys whom i know are very regular at soapies) and they laughed their ass off at how stupid we farangs are. they basically said that since it is their money, they can get entertained by whoever they chose and if any girl gives them attitude, they will tell the papasan later on.
[/quote]
nic seems too tough to worry about girls losing face or status.but it can exist.

it is well known that many thai men frequent soapies and always change girls. they don't want to get too attached to any one girl.

on other hand certain guys need more from the girl and any old girl will not do. they may frequent girls who better fit their requirements even if its just to listen to the guys problems and give advice. yes this stuff does happen at soapies.

i do believe that girls get a certain amount of status by being able to collect regular customers who keep coming back. girls who never get repeats are obviously weak performers.

i am also aware of large gossip grapevine at places like tulip. if a guy does something out of ordinary, soon everyone will know.

but if a guy tries many girls and finally settles on one regular girl, then this is obviously extra kudos for her.

its quite normal for the girl to feel something extra for her very special customers that she doesn't want to lose.
she might make joking threats.

as nic points out, the customer cretainly has the right to butterfly as much as he wants, but the guy who doesn't betterfly can be considered a little differently by the girl.

if a guy has been seeing just one girl and then suddenly changes to another, the first girl may be upset and not so friendly any more.

so my view is, if you are going to butterfly, better do it from the start, so that it is clear that you don't belong to any one girl.

i have had occasions where a bargirl refused to go with me for fear of being accused of stealing another girl's customer. i had maybe gone with the other girl only twice.

[QUOTE=Opebo] The ladies in Tulip or any Bangkok soapy most certainly make far more than I do, ...
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And so they should for special talents and putting up with some ugly customers. But probably earn not as much as some people think.

I believe top Soapy girls at high class places probably earn significantly more.
Partly this is due to different price levels for different girls at soapies. At Tulip, the basic price is the same for all girls which doesn't really reflect their level of ability.

[QUOTE=Canyon]...An average performer at Tulip probably ... has expenses including supplies, takeout food, etc. Let's assume that expenses are 16,000 per month, so she would net around 50,000, which is more than you make, but not a lot more.[/quote]

Why should her food be considered a 'business expense'? I have to eat.. we all have to eat. I'd say her expenses are more like 1,000 a month for a couple of tubes of KY, a bottle of Listerine, and a monthly course of antibiotics.

Lastly I wonder how many farang visitors actually make $75,000 a year! We should have a poll.

[QUOTE=Soap Fan]And so they should for special talents and putting up with some ugly customers. But probably earn not as much as some people think.

I believe top Soapy girls at high class places probably earn significantly more.
Partly this is due to different price levels for different girls at soapies. At Tulip, the basic price is the same for all girls which doesn't really reflect their level of ability.[/QUOTE]I know a soapy girl very well (she's a top I would say, maybe not THE top girl, but in a high class place nethertheless) and she told me (I trust her) that she makes 2000. 3000 baht a day, and about 30k baht a month on average. She works 10-11h a day, not sure how many customers. She doesn't work 22 days a month, obviously, but that seems a little much. It's hard work! And the pay is not what many here seem to think it is.

[QUOTE=Canyon][QUOTE=Opebo]No, 1,000 - 2,000 baht is a huge amount of money to a westerner living and working in Thailand (salaries here are typically 30-40,000/month). The ladies in Tulip or any Bangkok soapy most certainly make far more than I do, Canyon.

You raise an interesting point. I assume you mean that a farang English teacher makes around 40,000 a month, so that's a little over $1,100 US per month or around $14,000 US per year.. An average performer at Tulip probably has two sessions per day, so collects around 3,000 (1,500 X 2) and perhaps works 22 days a month, so would gross around 66,000. I understand she has expenses including supplies, takeout food, etc. Let's assume that expenses are 16,000 per month, so she would net around 50,000, which is more than you make, but not a lot more. A top performer would average around four sessions per day, so that would be 6,000 or 132,000 gross or around 115,000 net which is almost $3,300 US per month or $40,000 US per year. In that situation, I agree that she makes far more than you do. On the other hand, a below-average performer would probably only average one session per day or 1,500 X 22 or 33,000 per month. Let's assume she can keep her expenses down to 8,000 per month, so that would be 25,000 per month net which is less than you make.

However, a middle-class man from the US or Western Europe would make around $75,000 US per year or $6,250 per month. In this context, 1,000 baht or $29 is not a significant sum of money. Even 2,000 baht or $58 US is not a substantial sum for someone in that income bracket.

Let me be clear that I'm not advocating tipping for average performance, as Nic accused me of doing. What I'm saying is that if a girl goes above and beyond the call of duty and gives you a great time, performing at a very high level, I think a generous tip is in order. In my view, it's the right thing to do. The amount I suggested, however, only applies to those with western salaries. If you earn a Thailand-style salary, I think a different tipping policy is appropriate.

I've been very fortunate in life, so I'm happy to share my good fortune with others who give me pleasure. For those with more limited means, it's appropriate to be more frugal.[/QUOTE]The other thing that probably should be considered is, a typical working male can make 75k for many years. What is the shelf life of the average massage girl? How many years can a girl continue at the top of her game.

The big question is, how many of the girls are really planning for their future, or how many are spending and sending all of their funds back home?

A girl I was recently talking with, did talk extensively about her "future" and seemed to be trying to seriously saving money, as she knew both mentally and physcially, she couldn't continue.

It was also funny hearing how she sent her mom money twice a month, rather than once a month. If she sent it once, the mother always ran out. If she sent it twice, in smaller, but in sum, an equal amount, mom seemed to have enough to get by.