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[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2698683]There might be aversions of some Russians against Ukraine; but I think, this is not common private opinion.[/QUOTE]Yes, I wouldn't give too much credence to Russian TV working girls. (I'm not directing this pejorative comment specifically at the Russian female commentator in the clip below. It is directed at all of them.)
[QUOTE=Kozerog;2698709]You write about realism but you don't understand what it is and in fact you are another idealist.
Humans are territorial animals. Territorial borders are set largely by assessment of comparative strength of competitors for territory. To take territory from an existing possessor requires being considerably stronger, because no one gives up territory if they can avoid it. These rules about territory apply everywhere in nature. Open conflict occurs when there is uncertainty as to comparative fighting strength (both bodily and mental strength aka willpower or determination). Animals always understand the rules, so senseless fighting (outcome obvious but neither side relents and thus both sides suffer) is rare in nature. Senseless fighting is more common among humans, because mental strength is such a big factor, and far more difficult to assess mental than physical strength of the opponents. In particular, fighting to death over ideologies (like Ukrainian versus Russian language) is unheard of with animals but common with humans.
Neither I nor Mearsheimer approves (or disapproves) of Russia (or Ukraine or USA), any more than we approve or disapprove of animals fighting over territory. Realism is not about morality. It is about understanding what is actually happening. By understanding territorial conflicts, we can resolve them peacefully, so as to minimize damage to everyone concerned...[/QUOTE]Unlike animals, most humans hold a concept of good and evil, right versus wrong.
Your post started off well enough with your analogies to territory in the animal kingdom. But then, you digressed in comparing Russia's relationship to the Ukraine with the United State's relationship with Canada. There is nothing remotely comparable. It's because Western Democracies can cooperate and work together for mutual betterment.
Mearsheimer has some points to consider. I'm not sure they are the points you have gleaned.
[QUOTE=Golfinho;2698622]Where Hitler failed to destroy Russia and grab control of their natural resources, the USA can succeed.[/QUOTE]In the near-term, you might be looking at Chinese petroleum executives all over Moscow. I think the Chinese will be all over the Moscow clubs sniffing some of that fine Russian pussy. Perhaps Gazprom Neft, Rosneft and Tatneft, can become Gazprom Snift, Rossnift and so on.
[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2698724]America has no culture, bar song and dance, Silicone Valley, Johnny Depp and snorting coke. The major sources of Western culture are all in Western Europe. Yours is the culture of Gladiator, blood and dildoes.[/QUOTE]Democracy is kind of a big cultural thing. I hear it's catching on. You might want to actually try it.
California, New Mexico, Texas etc, m stolen at the point of a gun from Mexico.
"Pity Mexico, so far from God, so near to ther United States."
Go off and eat a dozen of your horrible hot dogs (German, as nothing is American, bar shit like Coca Cola) I see your scum are invading Somalia again. The sooner open season is declared, the better.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2698806]Unlike animals, most humans hold a concept of good and evil, right versus wrong.
Your post started off well enough with your analogies to territory in the animal kingdom. But then, you digressed in comparing Russia's relationship to the Ukraine with the United State's relationship with Canada. There is nothing remotely comparable. It's because Western Democracies can cooperate and work together for mutual betterment.
Mearsheimer has some points to consider. I'm not sure they are the points you have gleaned.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2698724]America has no culture, bar song and dance, Silicone Valley, Johnny Depp and snorting coke. The major sources of Western culture are all in Western Europe. Yours is the culture of Gladiator, blood and dildoes.
I am only replying to your note here as the others are too long winded and pompous to bother with. They do, however, show what imperialist pigs Americans are, a truly vile bunch of rejects, who are now trying to beg for oil from Venezuela, a country they ruined.
As regards a clown going on about my English, one of several languages I speak as a second tongue, I cannot edit posts here as American perverts in the Philippines board got me moderated for using the word skank to describe, well, skanks. They too show the same ignorant arrogance.
Don't let your loud mouths and loud Hawaii t shirts fool you. You are loathed by those who have not dumbed down.[/QUOTE]Like the jealous critics of dominant sports teams, you love to engage in masturbatory anti-American critiques, grasping at whatever straws your feeble imagination can conjure up.
Meanwhile, like the dominant force it is, the US just laughs off such farcical comments and continues to outperform. It must really suck to be you as you watch US-led NATO increase its presence and influence in Europe. As I predicted early on, in this very forum, Sweden and Finland have applied for NATO membership. At the same time, it's being reported that Poland and the Baltic states are requesting an additional 20,000 NATO troops for each country (total 80,000). Since a significant proportion of those troops will be American, get ready for an upcoming boom of American babies in Eastern Europe.
America has never given two shits for those who are envious and the response has ever been, and will continue to be, moving onward and upward on a trajectory of success. Meanwhile, America's closest rivals (China and Russia) are demonstrably in decline.
P.S. Nice try to blame the admins for your own deficiencies. Checking the spelling of "culture" is simply an elementary exercise in proofreading, which the "preview post" button provides unlimited opportunity to do. And using the wrong word entirely (exasperated vice exacerbated) is an error that goes beyond proofreading. But that's ok, blaming others is one of the character traits you've demonstrated, so it's not a surprise.
[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2698830]California, New Mexico, Texas etc, m stolen at the point of a gun from Mexico.
"Pity Mexico, so far from God, so near to ther United States."
Go off and eat a dozen of your horrible hot dogs (German, as nothing is American, bar shit like Coca Cola) I see your scum are invading Somalia again. The sooner open season is declared, the better.[/QUOTE]Since America's past is causing you to hyperventilate, and America's present is giving you high blood pressure, it stands to reason that America's positive and dominant future is about to cause you a debilitating stroke!
[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2698830]California, New Mexico, Texas etc, m stolen at the point of a gun from Mexico.
"Pity Mexico, so far from God, so near to ther United States."[/QUOTE]I knew someone would introduce the often repeated but not entirely thought through bad history of the USA-Mexican border.
The few Mexicans that lived in California, New Mexico and Texas didn't give a shit about the ineffective dictatorship in Mexico. The Mexicans in Texas fought Santa Anna. They are buried at the Alamo and other battle sites.
Now if you want to bring up the Native-Americans, they got screwed by European settlement. That was the age of conquest and about that time Russia was invading the Eastern lands inhabited by the Tatars and other peoples.
I suppose you can try to make a 21st century case that Tzarina Catherine the Great conquered the Ukraine in the 1700's. Thereby, Russia has a right to claim the Ukrainian's deference and obedience for all eternity.
This is an interesting thread if we don't count a few idiots, useful and otherwise, LOL.
However, please consider that with all this historical and cultural diggings you might unnecessarily complicate things. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and old-fashioned colonialism is also just that. Colonialism.
Yes, Russia feels that it's entitled to Ukraine. And yes, it hurts the collective Russian psyche that after all these years, Ukraine doesn't want to do anything with them anymore. But there is more to this insanity.
1. After the comparatively painless dissolution of the USSR, Russia is the last colonial power on Earth. Losing colonies is never easy (remember France clinging to Alger merely 50 years ago). Russia's pain from the USSR dissolution was dulled by the fact that most of CIS countries remained Russia's clients states. Ukraine is very different.
2. Russia lives and breathes in terms of geopolitics. It wants to be physically surrounded by satellites that would provide a natural shield to Russia proper. Russia has never been interested in far away colonies in Africa, South East Asia or the Americas. It wants its vassals to be close.
3. Letting Ukraine depart Russia's "sphere of influence" is a huge domestic problem as well. A strong, prosperous, democratic and independent Ukraine is a direct threat to Putin's absolute power. It's too close.
4. Finally, Putin has devolved (evolved?) from a thieving tyrant into a madman. Because one can't not be a madman to start this war.
Your collective comments are not worth reading because you are American and, as you show, ignorant and you think your armed might makes you right. The Nazis thought the same and the Red Army, who defeated them, hated them for it. You are a malign force in the world, nothing to offer but sexual diseases, Coca Cola and porn.
Go check out the American politics thread to see how vacuous you all are. It should really have shit tagged on to the title.
I cannot think of anything more generically repulsive than Americans.
On the positive side, the surrender of your Nazis in Mariupol continues. A surrender not an evacuation as your fake media call it. I'd ask you to enjoy the Cannes film festival but that idiot Zelensky is all over it, trying to fry European brains to make them as mushy as what passes for American brains.
Losers. Hookers should charge an American / lard excess free for dealing with you lot.
[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2699027]Your collective comments are not worth reading because you are American and, as you show, ignorant and you think your armed might makes you right. The Nazis thought the same and the Red Army, who defeated them, hated them for it. You are a malign force in the world, nothing to offer but sexual diseases, Coca Cola and porn.
Go check out the American politics thread to see how vacuous you all are. It should really have shit tagged on to the title.
I cannot think of anything more generically repulsive than Americans.
On the positive side, the surrender of your Nazis in Mariupol continues. A surrender not an evacuation as your fake media call it. I'd ask you to enjoy the Cannes film festival but that idiot Zelensky is all over it, trying to fry European brains to make them as mushy as what passes for American brains.
Losers. Hookers should charge an American / lard excess free for dealing with you lot.[/QUOTE]It's about 60 km from the border and an easy day trip from the Russian city of Rostov-on-Don. And yet, here we are at nearly three months into the war and the legendary (in their own minds) Russian army is STILL not in complete control.
Maybe you should check in with your Russkiy overlords because there's a high level of dissatisfaction and disgust among Russian bloggers and commentators that the "special operation" has taken so long and accomplished so little, especially where Mariupol is concerned.
Meanwhile, Russian troops have turned tail and run like scared rabbits away from Kyiv, and now the same is happening around Kharkhiv. In fact Russia is performing so badly that even on Russian state television the negative comments are starting (video length = 1 min 32 sec, English subs):
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF6TXAIe1tc[/URL]
Since media messaging in Russia is tightly controlled, and since this commentator hasn't been tossed in jail, it's logical to conclude that the Kremlin wants to shape their messaging to include the possibility of less than optimal results, which is simply a euphemism for defeat.
BTW, the commentator warns against the dangers of "informational tranquilisers," so I'm guessing he had you, and your ilk, in mind.
P.S. Keep hitting your head against the brick wall of the US with your anti-American screeds. We don't even notice, unless it's to laugh at your own blood streaming down your face. Putin has guaranteed that the US will be ascendant for decades to come, while Russia spirals downward into an abyss of their own making.
P. P.S. One great thing Russia has gotten from this war is a killer (pun intended) motto. How does "Remember the Moskva!" sound? Pretty good, I think. But feel free to come up with another one, whatever floats your boat.
So then do you secretly enjoy it when terrorists attack america? In your mind is it justified?
[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2698724]America has no culture, bar song and dance, Silicone Valley, Johnny Depp and snorting coke. The major sources of Western culture are all in Western Europe. Yours is the culture of Gladiator, blood and dildoes.
I am only replying to your note here as the others are too long winded and pompous to bother with. They do, however, show what imperialist pigs Americans are, a truly vile bunch of rejects, who are now trying to beg for oil from Venezuela, a country they ruined.
As regards a clown going on about my English, one of several languages I speak as a second tongue, I cannot edit posts here as American perverts in the Philippines board got me moderated for using the word skank to describe, well, skanks. They too show the same ignorant arrogance.
Don't let your loud mouths and loud Hawaii t shirts fool you. You are loathed by those who have not dumbed down.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2699027]You are a malign force in the world, nothing to offer but sexual diseases, Coca Cola and porn.[/QUOTE]The great thing is you can pour Coca-Cola on any STD and kill it. As far as porn, I have a penchant for watching the natural beauties from Eastern Europe especially the girls from Russia and the Ukraine.
Russian Loren Strawberry is very nice.
[URL]https://twitter.com/lorenstrawberr1[/URL]
[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;2699243]So then do you secretly enjoy it when terrorists attack america? In your mind is it justified?[/QUOTE]Americans are the biggest terrorists on the planet. American soldiers have committed unspeakable crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan, raping children, killing entire families. The invasion of Iraq was an actual war crime, a crime against the peace, built on a tissue of lies, as was the destruction of Yugoslavia, Syria, Libya, etc etc either directly or through their puppets. You only have to read the be s here or in a few of the other stupid shit threads.
As regards the liberation of Mariupol, compare it to how the American vermin flattened Fallujah and Raqqa. Americans are the new Hitler's Willing Executioners. Ukraine is a mess because of America and Victoria Fuck the EU Nuland.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2698890]I knew someone would introduce the often repeated but not entirely thought through bad history of the USA-Mexican border.
The few Mexicans that lived in California, New Mexico and Texas didn't give a shit about the ineffective dictatorship in Mexico. The Mexicans in Texas fought Santa Anna. They are buried at the Alamo and other battle sites.
Now if you want to bring up the Native-Americans, they got screwed by European settlement. That was the age of conquest and about that time Russia was invading the Eastern lands inhabited by the Tatars and other peoples.
I suppose you can try to make a 21st century case that Tzarina Catherine the Great conquered the Ukraine in the 1700's. Thereby, Russia has a right to claim the Ukrainian's deference and obedience for all eternity.[/QUOTE]Whataboutism is the only refuge at the moment for the Russophiles and / or America haters among us, in ISG, and even within the borders of the US. In this case the whatabouts go back centuries. It's all a debate fallacy, or a take on the ad hominem called the tu quoque fallacy while the topic of discussion is entirely avoided.
[URL]https://www.thoughtco.com/tu-quoque-logical-fallacy-1692568[/URL]#text=Tu%20 quoque%20 is%20 a%20 type,%22 a%20 tu%20 quoque%20 argument. %22.