Fortaleza

[QUOTE=Kevin1981]Hi guys,

How is the crime in [b]Praia do Futuro[/b], the reason I'm asking is because I'm looking at buying an apartment in Fortaleza, and I have seen a nice one in Praia do Futuro.

But I have been told its a very dangrous place, with favelas close to it.

The guy told me its ok to walk outside in the day, but to stay inside when the sun has past.

Is he correct, or is it down to common sense. Etc not wearing gold watches etc etc.

I would really apriciate if someone could tell me a little about this place.


Take care.[/QUOTE]

Yes Kevin,he is right its not good idea to walk around alone outside after the sun is down anyplaces in fortaleza.You have to take cab.

Here are some of the fat and ugly girls i have met in Fortaleza. ;-)

They all looks much better in reality then on the pics.

They all where very cute and hot in bed.

[QUOTE=Kevin1981]Sperto, if you would to invest in an apartment in Brazil, where would it be?
Seem like you know Brazil very well.
A place where the girls are beautiful... :)[/QUOTE]
My choice would be:
1. Rio
2. Salvador
3. Fortaleza

The price situation is different. You get more value for the money in Fortaleza than Rio, when buying an apartment.

[quote=kevin1981]hi guys,

how is the crime in [b]praia do futuro[/b], the reason i'm asking is because i'm looking at buying an apartment in fortaleza, and i have seen a nice one in praia do futuro.

but i have been told its a very dangrous place, with favelas close to it.

the guy told me its ok to walk outside in the day, but to stay inside when the sun has past.

is he correct, or is it down to common sense. etc not wearing gold watches etc etc.

i would really apriciate if someone could tell me a little about this place.

take care.[/quote]


my info is dated. i was last in p.f. / fortaleza in 2002. when i was there, p.f. was far from the city. you had to take a bus or taxi to get there otherwise walking would over an hour. i saw very little residencial housing in the area of p.f. and even fewer hotels. it seemed to be a place where the locals went during the day to have fun and that's it. when i was there there was a huge stage on the beach where bands had played or were playing at night. part of some special festival i think.

i did not get a sense that crime was a big problem in fortaleza or p.f. the biggest problem i saw was **** prostitition. but i suspect the p.f. area is deserted at night and that is usually somewhere you don't want to be.

i hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Sperto]My choice would be:
1. Rio
2. Salvador
3. Fortaleza

The price situation is different. You get more value for the money in Fortaleza than Rio, when buying an apartment.[/QUOTE]

Anyplace in the Northeast on the beach would be a good buy. In 2004 and 2005 when the dollar was still had some value, I saw TONS of condos being built in Natal, Recife, and Salvador. There is serious gentrification going on near the beaches. Several low cost hotels I used to stay at have been torn down or re-conditioned into high-end hotels. The locals told me that foreign money was responsible.

Now the dollar is low so it is not US investors building these condos, but the euro is still high and has a very good exchange rate with the real AND no tourist visas are required for European Union travellers. European investors are spurring the building craze for beach front condos.

[QUOTE=Kevin1981]The apartment building I have been looking at, is 18 years old, its located maybe 350m from the ocean (1block). So it may need some work, but im not certain.[/QUOTE]
I agree with George, the Northeast would be a great place for an investment property. I was last in the NE in 2005, and the amount of development that was going on was amazing. But why Praia do Futuro? Just out of curiosity, are you going to buy this building specifically to use as income property, or will you be living there as well? I would think the Iracema area would be a better place for rental property, since that's where more of the tourism is, although it might not be as safe as Futuro.

Some pics of Fortaleza's development from just a couple years ago. Can't imagine what it looks like now.

[QUOTE=Ezinho]

Some pics of Fortaleza's development from just a couple years ago. Can't imagine what it looks like now.[/QUOTE]
I was just there. Seems to be more condo construction near Beach Park than in the city. And Cumbuco.. The construction around BP had a lot of activity, workers. Cumbuco I did not see any workers, so not sure if the construciton is active.
I really like Fortaleza would be a good place to get a place, rent and stay there part of the year as well.

I think I'd also stay away from Praia do Futuro in terms of buying an appartment. In my opinion it's a place to go but also to leave after. The beach is nice, the barracas are great during daytime and some have parties at night (Barraca Caranguejo I think...).
But the area behind the beach is no place you would like to stay for any longer. There is just nothing to do or to have fun :-(
So my guess would be to settle in downtown Fortaleza, let's say Mucuripe, Meireles or Iracema (closest to the action!). If you speak some Portuguese, don't forget in Centro you will also find lots of GDP serving the local market. I got a nice session for about 20 R$.

Just my 2 cents...

Pyjama

[QUOTE=Ezinho]I agree with George, the Northeast would be a great place for an investment property. I was last in the NE in 2005, and the amount of development that was going on was amazing. Just out of curiosity, are you going to buy this building specifically to use as income property, or will you be living there as well? I would think the Iracema area would be a better place for rental property, since that's where more of the tourism is, although it might not be as safe as Futuro?

Some pics of Fortaleza's development from just a couple years ago. Can't imagine what it looks like now.[/QUOTE]Ezinho thanks for the photo nr 2 wich shows my apartment behind IBIS..Bought it 3 years ago for renting and bought another one near M. Tabosa to live there 3 months per year. Good investment and quiet region on the Beira Mar.

Again, forget buying an apartment in Praia do Futuro. The Maresia and the very high salinity brought by the strong winds in PF will make the metal in the building to corrode and destroy your electric equipment etc.

The corrosion level in PF is supposed to be the second highest in the world.

PF is deserted at night, except for the barracas with parties, and isn't to be considered safe at night-time. Pivetes from the two nearby favelas, Favela dos Cocos e a Favela Vitória, roam around looking for victims.

The days when you could take a girl at Chico de Carangueijo, on a Thursday night, and make it out on the beach safely is gone. :(

Guys,
I'll be in Forta. 7/17 for at least a few days. Last time I stayed in a nice hotel between Iracema and the next beach (towards Mierelles)(don't remember now, I'm at work). But it was NOT chica-friendly.
It is a priority to be ON the beach.
Any help is welcome...

as i, from my view from the other side of the eart, it seems to me that fortaleza has become more and more violent lately. i try to read about whats going on in the city, and today i came across an article about this issue.

according to the diaro do nordeste, there have been an increase of homicides in fortaleza this year. the first 120 days of 2007 307 persons have been murdered, in 2006 same days there was 263 cases.this is up 16,7%.

"the crimes have different motivations, but, the majority, is practised by account of interpersonal disagreements, generated in places or points of diversion and alcoholic beverage ingestion and other drugs, as bars, churrascarias, exits of clubs and also in fuel ranks.

fight of gangs, personal serrlements of accounts for debt of drugs, revenge and banal quarrels are the generating greaters of the homicides. other motivations are: crimes of order (pistolagens), passionals and confrontations of outlaws with the police forces." - diaro do nordeste.

however there has been a fall in the statistics of other crimes, like thieveries, robbery, and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. there are districts as is more violent than other, among them are mentioned praia do futuro.

"one of the great concerns of the police in the area of combat to crime is the assaults that result in the death of the victims of robberies. only in may, diaro do nordeste entered, at least, 10 cases in fortaleza.

the victims of the crimes had been, in its majority, humble, diligent people that they followed or they returned from the work or had been assaulted when they returned from the leisure. between them, student elaine franklim de amorim (19), deceased with a shot of gun in her head, right at the door of her house. the crime, was practised by an outlaw, who demanded the cellular telephone of the girl, which she refused." (ddn)

over the years, i have from my brazilian friends (mostly from the upper middle class), been told; "do this and do that, dont go there and never in night and so on," and i have laughted inside me, thinking how afraid these people must be to live in their own country. well, it could be time to rethink.

so please, gentlemens, dont take stupid risks, be careful, and take your personal safety precautions.

balluba

[QUOTE=Kevin1981]The apartment building I have been looking at, is 18 years old, its located maybe 350m from the ocean (1block). So it may need some work, but im not certain.

Sperto, if you would to invest in an apartment in Brazil, where would it be?

Seem like you know Brazil very well.

A place where the girls are beautiful... :)

Later![/QUOTE]


18 years old ... may need some work ... does not that make sense, fellow mongers ;-)

Enclosed some another 18 years old R$ 50 one night investment as also surely needed some work !

Balluba

[QUOTE=Balluba]18 years old ... may need some work ... does not that make sense, fellow mongers ;-)

Enclosed some another 18 years old R$ 50 one night investment as also surely needed some work !

Balluba[/QUOTE]What a fucking hottie. Is that 50 usd? For how long? I have never been to Brazil. Is this the norm?

Thanks!

UW

I found some old photos from my first meeting with Fortaleza and Brazil. This goes back to 2003. These photos was shot by my old camera, and was not of hight quility, too dark. I have tried to lighten them in Photoshop, here are the results:

1. My first night in Fortaleza and Brazil, of the plane, have a shower, and directly to the Europa Bar, I had done my homework at this forum, I perfectly know where to go ;-) I bump into these two, claimed to be sisters, i dont know. My first experience with two girls, after a long marriage ;-) R$ 50 pr. girl, one Night.

2. A pretty blond girl, (18), with very nice attitude. R$ 50 TLN.

3-5. A cute dark girl (18), girlfriend style. I both liked her and disliked her attitude. She was the type of girl whom You are supposed to hunt for, or be hunted by her. Strange. Finally we ended up in bed, but it was not so great.

6-7. typically scenes from the praia at Beira Mar, can one have a better place to chill down in day hours?

Balluba