American Politics

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2659920]Yeah, I live in Texas, and oil workers are finally being hired back. If Trump were president and prices were this high, we would have seen this move months if not a year ago. I was out in the Pecos region back when it was exploding. I had never seen such a boom town. Thing is that Pecos was the tip of the iceberg. They did not even pipeline capacity to send out all the oil and some natural gas sadly had to be flared off.

There is no doubt that this president hates oil and gas. Everyone knows it. He wants the industry gone and because of that, the banks will not lend and the oil companies will not go back to hiring like they were. Canada, you are totally right, and PV monger is totally wrong. Biden is such an ass he even says climate change will promote jobs.

There is a lot of political exaggeration out there, but if Trump were still president, oil and gasoline would be half the price of what it is now. Period. The good thing about this is energy driven inflation leads to higher interest rates, and that is going to be what does in Biden. All these Dems are posting these economic numbers are ignoring how much the Fed increased its balance sheet and how much more the government went into debt. Oil production increased under Obama, and he knew the economics. He talked climate change but did not demonize oil companies. We have plenty of oil, and if we had a president that did not demonize the industry, we would be so much better off.

This is the worst energy policy since Nixon and Carter, and those polices led to a horrific economic mess. Biden's Covid policies are really annoying, but his energy policies are beyond stupid and they are going to do him in.[/QUOTE]And here we go again. Our indomitable Elvis is back at it. Bringing to the table a metric ton of the same stinky rotten baloney that already went bad back in 2020 and should've been discarded even before.

When the economy is bad gas prices trend down.

When the economy is good gas trends up.

When there is peace gas trends down.

When there are tensions gas trends up.

Of course, the complete picture would be more complex and intricate, but what part of it's economy stupid do you not understand?

Here is a moron who Elvis is trying to emulate.

Hannity gets humiliated by his OWN guest on his OWN show.

[URL]https://twitter.com/i/status/1482184984261582849[/URL]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2660082]KKK.[/QUOTE]Talk about your Freudian slip.

HaHaHa, jajaja.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2659834]I think it is because republican administrations perform much poorer economically than democratic administrations.

But republican politicians have their supporters (like those that post here) suckered into believing untruths on this issue.[/QUOTE]Exactly correct. And it was already abundantly clear to anyone not sound asleep that Republican economic policies are not designed to expand the economy and create jobs at all, far from it, by the middle of Ronald Reagan's first presidential term.

See, Republican Party economic policies are all about catering to the election donor class in the top income brackets at the expense of everyone else in the country. That has been the agenda of that Party since the Industrial Revolution. And anyone who knows anything about those falsely proclaimed "job creators", the very dead last thing any of them want to do is hire more employees to help make them wealthier. They will only do it kicking and screaming in protest.

Consequently, the Republican Party economic philosophy and agenda is NOT to expand the economy in a way that creates more rather than far, far less jobs than their Democratic Party counterparts.

This Supply-Side / Trickle-Down con job was not really Reagan's idea, although he is the one every subsequent Republican president proudly proclaims to be following. No, Reagan was using Republican Calvin Coolidge as his model. Yep, "Silent Cal", exactly 100 years ago. His is the model for all Republicans ever since for how to deal with the USA economy and Republican Hoover was their model for when their Coolidge format goes horribly wrong for the economy and jobs, as it always does, for how to do everything possible to make it worse.

See, VP Coolidge unexpectedly took over from Republican Harding, which was then the most corrupt presidential administration of all time. Let's say Coolidge was the "Pence" of his day. Possibly just a gullible, useful idiot, possibly as corrupt as the man who appointed him VP, who knows. Who cares. The thing is he wasn't as corrupt as his now dead boss, but he had no idea what the fuck to do about the economy or anything else.

So what did he do? He just cut taxes for the top income margins and corporations and went fishing. For Reagan it was do that same thing and go riding his ponies. For Bush2 it was do that and go "clearin' brush down to the ranch. " For Trump it was do that and take huge numbers of people to his failed golf resorts at taxpayers' expense.

They all wanted the same "look" and Mainstream Media support Coolidge got for essentially doing nothing, certainly nothing good for the underlying USA economy. Coolidge put a lot of hot windfall money into the hands of already wealthy people who for the next 3-4 years threw it at the stock market. The "Roaring 20's" only roared for the top elite. And Mainstream Media loved it. All those old films of guys in tuxedos and girls in flapper dresses dancing and popping champagne corks? Lovely. But that was definitely not what American farmers and the millions more living in rural America were doing at the time. No sirree.

So when all the crap the elite were throwing their hot windfall Coolidge money at in the stock market was finally revealed not to be supported in the least by a solid real underlying economy, we had the Great Repub Crash and Depression.

But Coolidge had just left office by then, dodging all the pain from his classic and now template model Do Nothing Republican Party economic philosophy and agenda. The Dream Scenario for every Repub president ever since.

When somebody like Clinton, Obama and now Biden comes along and caters to the middle and lower income brackets, to put money in their pockets first and then force the corporations and business to do what they hate to do and will only do kicking and screaming in protest, which is to hire more employees to handle the buying from massive numbers of new customers, yep, often triggering a bit of temporary inflation along the way, they are always characterized as great evils by the dumb suckers who might not even know which side they are really serving in all this.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2660208]Here is a moron who Elvis is trying to emulate.

Hannity gets humiliated by his OWN guest on his OWN show.

[URL]https://twitter.com/i/status/1482184984261582849[/URL][/QUOTE]Well, at least, I know where you got this trash from.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2660208]When the economy is bad gas prices trend down.

When the economy is good gas trends up.

When there is peace gas trends down.

When there are tensions gas trends up.

Of course, the complete picture would be more complex and intricate, but what part of it's economy stupid do you not understand?[/QUOTE]Thing about arguing with you Democratic is that you never admit you are wrong. The three worst economic periods in my life were preceded by high oil prices and the best times occurred when oil prices were low and stayed that way. But we got one of you douches saying the economy was great under Carter.

Funny how my view matches up with the facts, Xpartan, and yours does not. [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/262858/change-in-opec-crude-oil-prices-since-1960/[/URL].

But we will soon found out who is right.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2660242]See, VP Coolidge unexpectedly took over from Republican Harding, which was then the most corrupt presidential administration of all time. Let's say Coolidge was the "Pence" of his day. Possibly just a gullible, useful idiot, possibly as corrupt as the man who appointed him VP, who knows. Who cares. The thing is he wasn't as corrupt as his now dead boss, but he had no idea what the fuck to do about the economy or anything else.

So what did he do? He just cut taxes for the top income margins and corporations and went fishing. For Reagan it was do that same thing and go riding his ponies. For Bush2 it was do that and go "clearin' brush down to the ranch. " For Trump it was do that and take huge numbers of people to his failed golf resorts at taxpayers' expense.

They all wanted the same "look" and Mainstream Media support Coolidge got for essentially doing nothing.[/QUOTE]So I guess you are saying that Pence is just like Coolidge.

And even though most republicans only fuck up the economy and make things worse.

Calvin Coolidge was the only republican in the twentieth century that had verifiable great numbers for his term's results (Better even than Clinton and Obama, but just not as good as Biden's first year).

Let's hope that the 2024 Presidential election comes down to a choice between Pence and Biden.

With expectations that either one of them might turn out good economic times.

OK.

My guess is only one of them is going to lock-up in jail all the song writers that write with lyrics containing dirty words.

The media (both left-slanted and right-slanted) in recent articles has been predicting a large red wave result for the mid-term elections in 2022.

With the republican party acting Super-Trump-Stupid, I'm not so sure the 2022 elections will turn out bad for the democrats.

There has been betting talk in this thread about placing wagers whether Donald Trump gets jailtime, or escapes it.

I am not interested in a bet that may not be settled for years.

Beside, my gut tells me that TrumpShit can eventually get convicted, only to escape extradition to Argentina, or Russia, or probably somewhere sunnier.

The loser planned a nearly successful coup in less than 60 days.

As a long-time criminal, I'm sure he's been planning his clean get away for a much longer time.

Back to the terms of the proposed bet:

I think the democrats will most likely pick up one or two Senate seats in the 2022 midterms.

But that's a very risky bet, and not the one I want to make.

Right now the Democrats have 48 Senate seats. The Democrats currently caucus with Independent Angus King and Social-Democrat Bernie Sanders.

That gives them 50 Senate votes, and a controlling like majority in the Senate with Vice President Kamala Harris.

I am willing to bet that in the November 2022 midterms the Democrats maintain majority control of the Senate.

I bet the Democrats don't lose a seat and that republicans won't get more than 50 Senate seats resulting from the 2022 midterms.

I can receive or send payment on either Zelle or Venmo.

I don't think an intermediary needs to hold our stakes.

For even odds I am willing to bet $500, and if someone wants only part of the action, that will work.

[QUOTE=Canada;2556900]After several people involved in the counting of the votes have claimed voter fraud in the election Republicans are trying to do a recount which they are entitled to. The democrats are trying to block it in every way. Letters to the editor in local newspapers today are demanding that they do not do a recount. I know several people on this site don't want a recount or investigation either. If I was accused of wrongdoing and had done nothing wrong I would welcome an audit and prove my innocence. Why are the democrats trying to block this if they are innocent or if there is no wrong doing. Why is it when democrats are accused of anything they don't want to be investigated? They are scared the truth will come out. Only a guilty party would refuse evidence. If there was no fraud then just let them recount. If there was fraud keep fighting the recount.[/QUOTE]You wrote this blabber nine months ago in in May.

What blather to you spew now after so many recounts found no evidence of democrats stealing elections?

Look to the republicans that used to darken the White House's doors.

Where there is evidence of election stealing.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2660268]Well, at least, I know where you got this trash from.

Thing about arguing with you Democratic is that you never admit you are wrong. The three worst economic periods in my life were preceded by high oil prices and the best times occurred when oil prices were low and stayed that way. But we got one of you douches saying the economy was great under Carter.

Funny how my view matches up with the facts, Xpartan, and yours does not. [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/262858/change-in-opec-crude-oil-prices-since-1960/[/URL].

But we will soon found out who is right.[/QUOTE]First, you give us a link but, unsurprisingly, nobody (at least not I) can access it.

Second, you don't specify which years were your "worst economic periods" or "best economic periods". I guess the good news is that you aren't claiming that 3 million is greater than 5 million.

But maybe you'll say that mortgage rates were lower under Reagan than they are today.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2660268]But we got one of you douches saying the economy was great under Carter.
...[/QUOTE]Thanks for providing further evidence for my point in my previous post here. Well, of course, you hated Carter. Carter was a champion USA jobs creator. One of the top 2-3 best of all time.

But his overall economy was not Great in the way it was under LBJ, Clinton, Obama and now Biden. It's just that his jobs creation results and tax policies were objectively more effective for growing a real economy than those of Hoover, Eisenhower, Nixon / Ford, Reagan, Bush1, Bush2 and certainly Trump. Yeah, I'll even include Coolidge despite his higher average annual percentage of job gains during his 5 years in office since many millions more jobs than were created were wiped out starting less than 1 year after he got out without his successor, Repub Hoover, changing one thing legislatively, proving Coolidge's policies were nothing but a smoke and mirror disaster. Wiped out all the impressive stock market gains Coolidge presided over too.

I'm guessing you dearly loved the presidents whose USA jobs creation results were either simply inferior to Carter's or downright spectacularly godawful like Eisenhower, Reagan, Bush1, Bush2 and Trump, right? Maybe even Hoover.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2651490]How about a little more specific than a significant number of seats? The media predicts four seats lost in the Senate. I will go with more than that.[/QUOTE]Elvis,

I am predicting that the Democrats will lose zero net seats in the Senate.

Largely because the RNC is inept.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2660268]Well, at least, I know where you got this trash from.[/QUOTE]Praise the lord, first time you got something right! I got that clip from the TRASH Hannity show. Bingo, you're half as reliable as a broken clock.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2660268]Thing about arguing with you Democratic is that you never admit you are wrong. The three worst economic periods in my life were preceded by high oil prices and the best times occurred when oil prices were low and stayed that way. But we got one of you douches saying the economy was great under Carter.

Funny how my view matches up with the facts, Xpartan, and yours does not. [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/262858/change-in-opec-crude-oil-prices-since-1960/[/URL].

But we will soon found out who is right.[/QUOTE][B]We[/B] already have.

How can you possibly argue with someone who swears free market, yet has absolutely ZERO understanding of supply and demand -- the cornerstone of market economy?

EIA forecasts crude oil prices will fall in 2022 and 2023.

[URL]https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=50858[/URL]

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2660287]The media (both left-slanted and right-slanted) in recent articles has been predicting a large red wave result for the mid-term elections in 2022.

With the republican party acting Super-Trump-Stupid, I'm not so sure the 2022 elections will turn out bad for the democrats.

There has been betting talk in this thread about placing wagers whether Donald Trump gets jailtime, or escapes it.

I am not interested in a bet that may not be settled for years.

Back to the terms of the proposed bet:

I think the democrats will most likely pick up one or two Senate seats in the 2022 midterms.

But that's a very risky bet, and not the one I want to make.

Right now the Democrats have 48 Senate seats. The Democrats currently caucus with Independent Angus King and Social-Democrat Bernie Sanders.

That gives them 50 Senate votes, and a controlling like majority in the Senate with Vice President Kamala Harris.

I am willing to bet that in the November 2022 midterms the Democrats maintain majority control of the Senate.

I bet the Democrats don't lose a seat and that republicans won't get more than 50 Senate seats resulting from the 2022 midterms.

I can receive or send payment on either Zelle or Venmo.

I don't think an intermediary needs to hold our stakes.

For even odds I am willing to bet $500, and if someone wants only part of the action, that will work.[/QUOTE]What makes you believe that any of your opponents here will pay you if you win?

What would Trump say (and do)?

Grifters don't pay.

And don't worry, they'll find excuses to stiff you (voting fraud, big steal, etc.).

On a more serious note, I'm afraid evil will flourish one more time in November. But I really hope to be proven wrong.

But in 2024, GOP will be crushed. And they'll spend the next 10 years trying to remove Trump's stink off their banners, but good luck with that.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2660287]
Beside, my gut tells me that TrumpShit can eventually get convicted, only to escape extradition to Argentina, or Russia, or probably somewhere sunnier.

The loser planned a nearly successful coup in less than 60 days.

As a long-time criminal, I'm sure he's been planning his clean get away for a much longer time.[/QUOTE]In an unlikely case he has to face some real prison time (not a year or two, but a serious prospect of never seeing the light of day again) Russia wouldn't be so bad for Trump. Lots of options for thieving billionaires to have fun.

Only they may not be willing to take him. What for, he'll have served his purpose and only become a liability.

Unless there is a piece of paper somewhere in Lubyanka basement (google it) that has his signature on it. In which case, they'll be obliged to bring their guy "home", LOL.

Argentina? Not so much. Why would they mess with us? Maybe his buddy Kim?

But I have it on good authority that North Korea is not a fun place to live, LOL.

At Least 22 Black American Citizens Shot in their own Neighborhoods by Black Criminals During last Weekend in Marxist / Democrat Mayor Lori Lightfoot's Chicago and not a word in the left wing corporate media: Disney, AT&T, Comcast, NY Times, Amazon WP. So what is Uncle Joe going to do about it. Nada. He read a teleprompter speech without forgetting where he was.

This is Racism in America. "The belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another." So there is nothing the Woke Left will do about it. Their hands are tied by their ideology and racism.

If the Fed sees a need to solve any downside to this terrific economic outcome by raising the cost of money to as much as 2 friggin' percent in the next year or two with the mere stroke of a pen, Repubs will hysterically mischaracterize all of it as "the greatest evil of all evils that has ever befallen the country"!

Watch for it.

[B]Fast-rising wages could cause the Fed to raise interest rates even higher[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/07/seven-hikes-fast-rising-wages-could-cause-the-fed-to-raise-interest-rates-even-higher-this-year.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Rapidly rising wages are expected to push Federal Reserve interest rate hikes at an even faster pace.
Average hourly earnings are running at a 5.7% pace over the past 12 months, near the highest levels in 15 years.
Bank of America is sticking to its call for seven rate hikes this year as the Fed looks to control the higher cost of living.[/QUOTE]Hey, wasn't this the kind of thing Trump used to claim credit for before it turned out his one and only godawful classic Repub waste of $2.5+ Trillion 2017 economic legislation produced fewer jobs in the economy with it than without it and his other historically disastrous decisions in 2018 and 2020 totally crashed the economy, destroyed worldwide supply-chains and wiped out millions upon millions of jobs, reducing their wages to zero?

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2660573]At Least 22 Black American Citizens Shot in their own Neighborhoods by Black Criminals During last Weekend in Marxist / Democrat Mayor Lori Lightfoot's Chicago and not a word in the left wing corporate media: Disney, AT&T, Comcast, NY Times, Amazon WP. So what is Uncle Joe going to do about it. Nada. He read a teleprompter speech without forgetting where he was.Left will do about it. Their hands are tied by their ideology and racism.[/QUOTE]What does the GOP propose to do (legislation or other LE changes) to address the problem?

Today the party's platform right now is historically briefly stated:

"Flippy-Floppy TrumpShit".