Medellin Reports

Zandaly has not been the same since it parted ways with Cata just after the pandemic. Cata's place Aventura is better but she told me she struggles to keep a good staff rotation because girls don't want to complete their shifts and prefer the freedom of fishing for clients on the Internet. Aventura is in Chagualo so it's not as convenient or comfortable for foreigners and short term visitors but it's not hard to reach since it's right on the Metroplus stop. These days Amigas Sexxy is I think in second place among Centro casas of gringo interest. Aiffe is as always very unreliable and hasn't made any noticeable facility improvements in the 15 years I've been going there. I avoid New Life. When I was last there about 6 months ago with a bunch of weekend warrior friends I realized the frat house atmosphere has not changed.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2858602]Went to Zandalay Saturday 3:45.9 girls. None were worth a crap. That place is stupid. I walk in. 3 guys and 4 girls at the bar drinking and talking. I buy a drink and sit down at the bench seat alone. 5 minutes later another guy comes in and sits alone across from me at another bench seat. I wait another 10 minutes. During that time a group of 3 guys come up the stairs, look around, and quickly leave. The people working there are too damn stupid to tell the 3 guys to sit down and they will bring out the rest of the girls. The people working there seem to think it is a bar and not a brothel. I have to ask the worker there to show me the girls. The girls introduce themselves and I pay and leave. Coke cost me 6000 COP there versus 3000 COP at the much better New Life.

New Life same day at 4:15. Around 20 girls. Did a pretty one with a pleasing personality. Will hopefully get the other one I wanted on Monday.

FYI New Life Halloween Party October 28th on Saturday.

First time to either one of those in 2. 5 years. Quality down. Talked to a Colombian guy as we walked out who was raised in the USA he said the same thing. He mentioned how 10 years ago the girls were super hot back then.

No pregnant girls at Botero (FYI for those fetish guys to save you a trip). 4 girls now with boob jobs at Centro. Not huge jobs because they had little to start with. I know because I had sex with 3 of them. The 4th one I was not into 2 years ago when I first saw her. She was small last month but suddenly her body shape grabbed my attention. I checked out her body and then her face and realized who she was. Still not interested because one of her friends who also had a boob job was so bad I did not cum.

Getting bored of Centro in just 2. 5 months. Too many repeats. Not enough new girls. With the rainy season now it is boring the crap out of me and the rain has only been here for less than 2 weeks. Will move to Laureles for a week or two and try some spas and online girls. Pray for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2858786]I've had SGs in Centro quote me 60 mil recently and I always counter with "siempre pago cuarenta mil ms la pieza" And 9 times out of 10 they will accept that, very rarely they will counter with 50 mil and even more rarely they won't budge to which I just like "no joda" and move on to the next one.

I suspect the reason they are charging you more is because you are an obvious gringo. Can you even properly pronounce "cuarenta mil"?[/QUOTE]There are foreigners here who pay local prices, and I have as well, and I am an obvious gringo as soon as I start speaking.

What your post illustrates is that a foreigner who knows the market in Centro, and speaks a fair amount of Spanish, along with having some game, can get local pricing, as it seems like a lot of the gringos in Centro just can't seem to navigate the terrain there, and the smarter SW's take advantage of them and hence cannot get local pricing.

You stated that 9 times out of 10 the SW's accept your price, which makes perfect sense, as to why would a SW turn you away if you illustrate your knowledge of the market, as you are no different than their client base which I estimate to be at least 95% locals.

[QUOTE=Carrib;2858458]Ram that is good advice and I appreciate it, however I am sure i agree with if u take a girl back to your place, you have to pay her however to your point, I alway say never get into an argument with a Chica, so I will also pay something to get her ass to leave.

It was a huge amount and that was an additional fuck up on my part-in any case I have a few more days to try to talk to said security guard and explain why I gave him so much money. I can't remember the last time I had a problem with a Chica as I usually screen them well but this time I was caught off guard with a Chica I would normally never give the time of day, again my mistake. As for warning them that you never pay of front, what if she lies and then demand payment up front? The problem is that most of these Chicas understand that the majority of gringos fear the Colombian polce and oftentimes use that to their advantage.


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One last word about paying upfront, that sets a terrible precedent so please refrain from doing so, if a Chica demands payment upfront, you can show her you have the money to pay her and if she still refuses, show her ass the door. Hopefully you won't have to deal with the BS I encountered. She's lucky we weren't at a love motel, I would I simply paid the hotel and left her ass there. Some of you mongers have allowed these putas to take complete control of the mongering scene here in Medellin, basic and borderline ugly putas are asking 250 USD.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify a bit more, I was referring to taking girls out of Gustos or a high end place in Medellin. If you pull a girl out of Gustos and take her back to your rental and get her naked and then she starts trouble because you want to pay her afterward, that is something I wouldn't recommend. I especially wouldn't recommend it if you want to avoid the police or trouble. I have heard of first hand accounts of girls pulling knives and pepper spraying people over situations like this. Discuss it with the girl up front if you want to pay after, but you should probably expect a Gusto girl to flip her shit if you get her naked and then refuse her payment if she wants it before you fuck. Colombian women can go from normal to pyscho in a split second, especially if they are getting turned down to fuck because they are over the hill and this was their main form of income.

As for paying your way out of a sticky situation, I agree 100%, 125 $ to not end of in Colombian prison is well worth it. If that 125 $ to the security guard is what it took to stay out of trouble then I understand, but I was saying if you just threw him 125 for being a good dude, then that tip is too much.

Now a street walker centro girl may be different from a Gusto chica, but if a girl thinks she's getting 125 $ and then gets shot down, well be ready for drama. Always save that drama for your mama Carrib!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2858833]This illustrates my point, if only 5% of the mongers in Centro are foreigners, there's no way those 5% are going to affect the market for the locals, who make up 95% of the clients and are not quoted "gringo pricing".

And the thought that the gringos will drive out the locals over time in Centro that was floated is ridiculous as the numbers don't support it.

And believe it or not, there are foreigners here that do get local pricing contrary to what some may think.

Foreign mongers in Centro are very low in numbers, where as in, and around LLeras, it's the opposite, with the mongers being literally all foreigners, hence the ridiculous pricing every one is reporting.

I see the pricing increases in Centro being pretty much inflation driven, versus in the Lleras area being driven by foreigners and the girls savy enough to take advantage of them.

This is the distinction here, Centro and the Lleras area for mongering are very different, however some don't get the distinction here.[/QUOTE]The point that was made is not that gringos will affect Centro rates, but that more and more Centro girls, cream of the crop, will work in Poblado and / or online, where they can get much more money. Centro uglies will stay in Centro, and will serve locals and get local rates.

There was a discussion recently about Centro girls working Centro during the day, and Lleras during the night. Those girls who work both locations, will probably stick to Lleras only and then transition to online, or higher end venues. Working both locations is not sustainable, because what's the point? If you, lets say, flip burgers during the day, and get paid X pesos, and do exact same work at night and get paid 10 X pesos, sooner or later you will start picking only night shifts.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2859116]The point that was made is not that gringos will affect Centro rates, but that more and more Centro girls, cream of the crop, will work in Poblado and / or online, where they can get much more money. Centro uglies will stay in Centro, and will serve locals and get local rates.

There was a discussion recently about Centro girls working Centro during the day, and Lleras during the night. Those girls who work both locations, will probably stick to Lleras only and then transition to online, or higher end venues. Working both locations is not sustainable, because what's the point? If you, lets say, flip burgers during the day, and get paid X pesos, and do exact same work at night and get paid 10 X pesos, sooner or later you will start picking only night shifts.[/QUOTE]The problem with that is the income is unpredictable. A girl working El Centro is almost certain to get enough customers to make money, and with the metro and buses, transportation is cheap.

However, going to Lleras, there's a fair chance she won't get a customer every night, and by the time she finishes she'll need to get a taxi. Most of them have no cash reserve, so getting stuck in Lleras is a real risk.

For girls who think, save and plan, then a transition to Lleras is a possibility. For the majority, it's something they'll do occasionally, when they have friends with them and someone has enough money to get back home.

Late report from Labor day.

Back from MDE and spend 5 days in an Airbnb 2 streets over from Energy Living building. Meet with all my girls from Seeking. I use this here in States and all my travels (CR, Peru, Ecuador, Nica, Canada. Etc). 300 k was what I paid for 6 different girls and 1 for 400 k. All of them spent several hours with me out in the city then a few hours or overnight at my place. Most of them I fucked 2 times, all were under 28 and skinny little hotties.

Wtf is up with online? I messaged a bunch of girls most don't respond. When they do respond they respond I try to confirm the time or the place they don't respond.

I had two girls tell me send me the money for the taxi and I'm like no I will send you the Uber paid. They either don't respond or charge me 60 k for taxis. I live right next to this girl BTW. I legit went to her spot for another girl and it was 7 k from my spot.

I went to see the only girl that would actually confirm that I could go there and they bait and switch me with another girl. And then they do the usual o sorry she's not here she's doing a domicilio I can show you the only other girl that is here I'm like whatever this better be the hottest girl I've ever seen because I'm not tolerating this garbageass service. Girl is also ugly. That's why they're don't get picked. Hire better girls. So I leave.

Wtf is happening? Can I get a decent girl to show up and or respond? Wtf.

The most impact gringos have on pricing is the price they pay individually. You are quite right that there are not enough gringos, especially not in Centro, to move the market. There are micro markets that are gringo dominated (e. G. The Mansion / Gringo Inn, Parque Lleras) where gringos are in the majority. Those are exceptional situations. The going rate in Centro is 30,000 to 40,000. I have a select few regulars I bring home from time to time. I give them 50 K. I covered casas in an earlier post. Those prices are not gringo driven either for the same reason as the street rates are not. You can tip your way to higher prices or pay for an hour and get the same one pop you would get for the cost of half an hour but again, that's only going to affect the guy in the room not everybody else. Apologies for the boring post. I just stuck to the facts.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2859043]There are foreigners here who pay local prices, and I have as well, and I am an obvious gringo as soon as I start speaking.

What your post illustrates is that a foreigner who knows the market in Centro, and speaks a fair amount of Spanish, along with having some game, can get local pricing, as it seems like a lot of the gringos in Centro just can't seem to navigate the terrain there, and the smarter SW's take advantage of them and hence cannot get local pricing.

You stated that 9 times out of 10 the SW's accept your price, which makes perfect sense, as to why would a SW turn you away if you illustrate your knowledge of the market, as you are no different than their client base which I estimate to be at least 95% locals.[/QUOTE]

You don't need a Colombian cedula to register your phone. I registered several phones for years before I had my first cedula. You can do it from the phone itself on the Claro app or on the Claro web site. You have to set up an online account first by establishing a user ID and password.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2858906]So the end of July I bought my Claro SIM from a bootleg place in Leticia. I came back to Colombia the other day (2 months later) and my SIM worked fine. To double check, I went to the Claro store at the mall.

I told the lady there my situation and that I wanted to register so my SIM would not be blocked. She said there was no need to do anything and that it would not be blocked. She said but the only way to register would be to use a Colombian's ID. She asked if I wanted the girl I was with to do it. I said well if there is no need to then no.

She said I could go over to the cashier to pay for more credit so that I could add internet. I told the cashier that I only needed internet for 2 days. She said the 3,500 peso plan would do me good. She had a list of all the prepay plans on the wall next to her. I asked if she had a copy and she said no. I gave her my phone and asked her to take a picture of it for me. Looks like the most expensive plan is 41,000 pesos for 12 GB over 30 days. So if someone is telling you to pay more than that, then you know they are ripping you off.

That plan she gave me was only 400 MB. Man I ran out of internet before I even got in the Indriver 1 hour later. Well when I was in the Indriver it said 80% data used.

I tried to add more money to my account through my phone with 2 different credit cards but it would not take. I ended up going to a site where you can add credit (mobilerecharge) and added like $5. Then I was able to choose a better internet plan (7 day 2 GB) from the Claro site.[/QUOTE]

When all hope is lost la isla has your back. Even tho it's 550 k for the room and the girl and 50 k cover and a bunch of 2 k,s to get the strippers of your back it was worth it today. Went with a girl that had a big ass. Doesn't do oral. Should a told me that before going in. She'll do oral for the right guy trust. She doesn't do something? She actually means she just doesn't do it for you.

There were other girls I would have done. But the one I went with had the complete package. It's like some have a nice face but no body. Some have a nice booty but ugly face.

After messaging so many girls and getting ghost 24/7 I had to go to lleras. There was no one there. Lleras street girls are truly the worst of the crop. Went to gustos. There was only 2 girls. The rest of the club is empty.

Went to la isla. Empty. But girls are there. 2 groups of guys. Some girls I would do but they don't justify 125 usd. Except for the one I went with. If they can get all the girls like her I would go more. But I saw girls with no curves. An actual stick in a dress. Thst girl doesn't justify550 k cop. At least I can find 3 girls on any given day.

Lesson learned today: don't talk to online girls past 7.

Tried seeking. Actually bought a membership. Girls that are hot don't message back (I've only been on for a day). Girls that do message back are ugly. Some gave their WhatsApp. Haven't talked prices yet. I have one girl I'm meeting at Thursday at la matriarca. Let's see how that goes. She semi hot like 7 I guess. Let see. I have other girls messaging me what are you looking for in the app and blocking me if they don't like my answer. I don't really know how to handle that question.

[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2859179]When all hope is lost la isla has your back. Even tho it's 550 k for the room and the girl and 50 k cover and a bunch of 2 k,s to get the strippers of your back it was worth it today. Went with a girl that had a big ass. Doesn't do oral. Should a told me that before going in. She'll do oral for the right guy trust. She doesn't do something? She actually means she just doesn't do it for you.

There were other girls I would have done. But the one I went with had the complete package. It's like some have a nice face but no body. Some have a nice booty but ugly face.

After messaging so many girls and getting ghost 24/7 I had to go to lleras. There was no one there. Lleras street girls are truly the worst of the crop. Went to gustos. There was only 2 girls. The rest of the club is empty.

Went to la isla. Empty. But girls are there. 2 groups of guys. Some girls I would do but they don't justify 125 usd. Except for the one I went with. If they can get all the girls like her I would go more. But I saw girls with no curves. An actual stick in a dress. Thst girl doesn't justify550 k cop. At least I can find 3 girls on any given day.

Lesson learned today: don't talk to online girls past 7.

Tried seeking. Actually bought a membership. Girls that are hot don't message back (I've only been on for a day). Girls that do message back are ugly. Some gave their WhatsApp. Haven't talked prices yet. I have one girl I'm meeting at Thursday at la matriarca. Let's see how that goes. She semi hot like 7 I guess. Let see. I have other girls messaging me what are you looking for in the app and blocking me if they don't like my answer. I don't really know how to handle that question.[/QUOTE]I've been following this forum for quite some time leading up to my trip and this has me pretty bummed out.

I've been wanting to just get a GF type for my couple days in medellin and seems like situation is pretty rough.

The last 50 pages of this sub I pretty much gathered.

- do facebook research connections before you go.

- tinder girls could be ok more potential for scolp.

- la isla is good for a quickie but over priced.

- loutron is hit or miss.

- parque lleras girls are mostly sub 7.

- and just never go to gustos.

- photo prepago? (not sure).

Is this basically the summary of medellin's current situation?

I found a Centro pregnant girl. She was holding a folder with a baby on it. I asked if she was pregnant and she said no it was negative. I told her if it was negative she would have thrown the paperwork away. Then said it was her friends and I asked why she was carrying it up to my room. She admitted she did not want anyone to know so I can not tell. She is only 1+ month in because nothing is showing except her boobs were really hard. I could tell you guys but half of you would walk up to her and ask, "Which one of you is the pregnant one?

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2858783]I and my wing-man (a Colombian friend) stopped in Avineda Grill (in centro across the street from Botero plaza) yesterday late afternoon / early evening (Saturday 7 PM) and although it was busy with lots of guys enjoying their drinks and many of girls IT WAS THE WORST QUALITY I HAVE SEEN IN 6 YEARS frequenting this club.
TTM.[/QUOTE]You would have cried if you were out on Monday. It was like a holiday or Sunday bad. But there were less people everywhere, but no idea why.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2858786]
I suspect the reason they are charging you more is because you are an obvious gringo. Can you even properly pronounce "cuarenta mil"?[/QUOTE]20+ girls remember me from 2 years ago when I never had these problems. I did not sex all 20 but they knew I was not a newbie and tell their friends. I have had 7 girls I had sex with in the 2+ months I have been here try to raise prices. I have stated many times I do not know Spanish so I can not pronounce that in any way shape or form. These girls see me every single day and sometimes for hours when I sit and watch the world go by.

I also have experience in Santa Marta (week), Bogota (month), Barranquilla (2 months), Pereira (month), Cucuta (month).

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2858833]

And the thought that the gringos will drive out the locals over time in Centro that was floated is ridiculous as the numbers don't support it.

And believe it or not, there are foreigners here that do get local pricing contrary to what some may think.

This is the distinction here, Centro and the Lleras area for mongering are very different, however some don't get the distinction here.[/QUOTE]I have clearly stated that the locals will not be run out. But the top 20% of the girls will be taken away to Poblado, FB, websites, Western Union. The girls are learning but you are not. Street girls could never afford to get a boob job. Yet I know 3 recently. One in the last 2 years. One last month that went from nothing to something and the last one still had her bandages on when I did her 3 weeks ago. Where did that money come from?

Guys lie just as much as the girls. The Russian guy brags that he gets the cheapest everything he buys. The guys I have heard brag the most about getting local prices are screwing some less than stellar girls and are doing them repeatedly. That does not work for the 2-3 week tourist or me who likes constant new girls. I know several of these girls but most I have no interest in or already been with.

To give you an idea of what things you learn when you spend as much time down here as I do. Two years ago the drug dealers hide their stuff with the carts in the park. The carts were removed and when I left the drug dealers were hidding their stuff on the girls (usually around their waist) since the girls were not checked by the police like the gys were. I come back and the drug dealers on the side of the church alleyway now hide their stuff at the side entrances to the church on the ground and put garbage or a rock in front of it. Once saw them hide it behind the sign on the door. But the number one place is that little section of dirt with a little grass. There is a dead tree there that looks like a yard tall spike in the ground. They simply hide it under the 7" grass that has fallen over. Do not believe me. Go search under that grass a few times and see how long it takes for one of the drug guys to come running.

In the past guys asked if there is air conditioning in any of the ST hotels but nobody ever answers that I have read and you know everything. There was one when I left 2 years ago. In fact I had to ask them to turn it off because I was freezing. Not sure if they still have them because I have not returned to that one. But this trip there are 2 other hotels that have air conditioning on Carrera 53 (bar street). One on each side of the street at the mid-way point. I know because I had a girl in one and I could feel the cold air coming down the steps of the other one.

Curious. I am pretty sure you are not here now but were 2 weeks ago. If I walked past you in Centro could you identify me? Because I am 90% sure I can identify you. You talk to everybody while I try to avoid most foreigners so this should be easy for you.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2858993]Aventura is in Chagualo so it's not as convenient or comfortable for foreigners and short term visitors but it's not hard to reach since it's right on the Metroplus stop. These days Amigas Sexxy is I think in second place among Centro casas of gringo interest. I avoid New Life. When I was last there about 6 months ago with a bunch of weekend warrior friends I realized the frat house atmosphere has not changed.[/QUOTE]I had a New Life girl Saturday and wanted another girl next visit. The front office girl said come Monday so I did at 2:30. Not there. Asked what day and time the girl normally comes in. The front office girl had no idea. The place was dead except for 3 black guys in the cubicle drinking like it was a bar.

Then tried to meet a girl off the prepagos site but her map was 3 times farther than the one shown on the website which was only 7 blocks away near San Antonio Station that I walk past nearly every week. I cancelled.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2859119]The problem with that is the income is unpredictable. A girl working El Centro is almost certain to get enough customers to make money, and with the metro and buses, transportation is cheap.

However, going to Lleras, there's a fair chance she won't get a customer every night, and by the time she finishes she'll need to get a taxi. Most of them have no cash reserve, so getting stuck in Lleras is a real risk.

For girls who think, save and plan, then a transition to Lleras is a possibility. For the majority, it's something they'll do occasionally, when they have friends with them and someone has enough money to get back home.[/QUOTE]I'm not buying your argument about the taxi money. If a girl is decent looking (and she has to be in order to work Lleras and command gringo rates) she will have no problem getting at least 1 client per shift at 250-300 mil cop. If she is ugly or below average looking, she is at risk and better be sticking to her local clientele in Centro.

And the taxi money is not that much compared to what they can charge a gringo. I doubt it is more than 20-25 mil late at night, even if she lives far away. She can share the ride with another hoe and pay even less. If a girl can't get a customer, she can always lower her rate and get one, and still make enough to cover all her expenses, including taxi.

[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2859179]Let see. I have other girls messaging me what are you looking for in the app and blocking me if they don't like my answer. I don't really know how to handle that question.[/QUOTE]My top three answers are: 1 It depends on the woman. 2 I want what you want. 3 What are you offering?

The exchange rate is back good again. I just went to Davivienda this morning and I was able to pull out $430 mil COP and I was charged $98.02 usd on my Capital One 360 checking account. And as always remember to decline the exchange rate that the ATM offers you as that is just throwing away money if you accept it.

Gabacho.