East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1390945]Taxis might be a problem but just ask your hotel concierge to write your destinations in Chinese and show them to the drivers. Taxis also don't cheat you, unlike many cities in China.[/QUOTE]I agree with most of what was said, however, I would urge some caution with the blanket endorsement of taxis in Shanghai. If you go back in the forum, you can read several instances where the taxis were less than upright about their fees, destinations, etc. Just be a little careful out there.

LD

The standard taxi's in most cases are fair. But there are "unmarked" taxi's or different color from the standard ones: They are a lot more expensive.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Lurkingdog; 1391242]I agree with most of what was said, however, I would urge some caution with the blanket endorsement of taxis in Shanghai. If you go back in the forum, you can read several instances where the taxis were less than upright about their fees, destinations, etc. Just be a little careful out there.

LD[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GregoryB; 1391248]The standard taxi's in most cases are fair. But there are "unmarked" taxi's or different color from the standard ones: They are a lot more expensive.

Gregory.[/QUOTE]Agreed, generally try to look for a white (Jinjiang Group) , yellow (Johnson Group) , light green (Bus Group) , or light blue (Dazhong Group) when looking for taxis.

Otherwise, the World Expo themed taxis are also great.

Taxis belonging to major companies typically are more honest in their practices.

In addition, some of the taxis operating in the suburbs are not allowed to enter the city.

Say you got off the metro at Zhangjiang station or Songjiang Station and got a taxi waiting right outside the station, chances are they cannot go outside of their district.

In my experience the Dark Red and Dark Blue taxis are also to be avoided. They are usually independent operators (I am certain about the Dark Red maybe not so much the Dark Blue) and often scam foreigners. Taking very scenic routes or having modified meters that run 10X as fast as normal.

The Bright Red ones are also suspect but can be fine.

[QUOTE=Carage; 1391321]Agreed, generally try to look for a white (Jinjiang Group) , yellow (Johnson Group) , light green (Bus Group) , or light blue (Dazhong Group) when looking for taxis.

Otherwise, the World Expo themed taxis are also great.

Taxis belonging to major companies typically are more honest in their practices.

In addition, some of the taxis operating in the suburbs are not allowed to enter the city.

Say you got off the metro at Zhangjiang station or Songjiang Station and got a taxi waiting right outside the station, chances are they cannot go outside of their district.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fritobugger; 1391474]In my experience the Dark Red and Dark Blue taxis are also to be avoided. They are usually independent operators (I am certain about the Dark Red maybe not so much the Dark Blue) and often scam foreigners. Taking very scenic routes or having modified meters that run 10X as fast as normal.

The Bright Red ones are also suspect but can be fine.[/QUOTE]The colors only indicate the government company that owns them e. G. Dazhong, Bashi, Juntion, etc. The self owned taxis are easy to spot not by color but by license plate. All self owned taxis have an "X" in the license plate sequence. All government owned taxis are VWs. Many of the independent "X" plated taxis are dark maroon Hyundai. Simple avoid the "X" plates if you are concerned. I have never had a problem in 5 years. I would never take any ride from a tout or taxi hawker at the airport or Maglev or anywhere else for that matter.

Last week, I visited Shanghai once again. On the first day, I tried Siyuan. It was shortly after the Chinese New Year holidays, so the line-up was limited, and only 5 girls were there. Nevertheless, I did not have to wait more than 3 minutes. Unfortunately, when I came to the fishbowl, a Chinese guy snapped my favorite away, just a few seconds before I could get hold of her. There was another one, very slim and average tall. Small tits, but she looked ok. At the beginning, she was a bit shy or too serious. But when I made some jokes (fortunately, I do speak some Chinese for small talk) , she became pretty relaxed, and we had a great session. She definitely also enjoyed and was very wet.

The next day, I went then to Bodi. After the shower, I was asked to wait. I was already disappointed, since four or five Chinese guys were also already waiting. However, after about 2 minutes, I was called and was already happy. On the way to the fishbowl, we pass two girls, but they disappear in one of the girl's rooms. Then, the fishbowl is empty, and they also present only one girl. My "guide" says something about few girls left after Chinese New Year. Well, the girl they present doesn't look too bad. At least at first sight, and she has big tits. So, I agree, even though not too happily.

The girl has then big boops, but they are not completely real, which is usually a turn-off for me. She is also not as slim as I like it. Nevertheless, she gives me a good service and does a few new tricks on the wet bed. The deed is ok, but nothing special. We still have some time left, and we relax and chat a bit. She tells me that she is 40 years old, which is by far beyond the usual age at Bodi or Siyuan. When I go back to the locker room, the boy there asks me how it was, and he also mentions that "this girl is too old".

Now, I believe that Bodi also does some tricks. I am foreigner, and they presented this old girl to me, since they thought I am unfamiliar with China and the place (which both are not true). Most likely, they really do (or did) have a shortage of girls, after the Chinese New Year. And therefore, they wanted to keep the young and pretty ones for the Chinese customers (who are more likely to complain if they do not get what they expect) and possibly for some regulars.

So, my conclusion is (once again) : if they present only one or only very few girls, and you are not totally satisfied with their proposal, you should reject the girls and ask for another selection. Even when there is shortage, there might be other ones. And if necessary, be prepared to wait a bit. Another idea might be to go there in the afternoon, when the number of customers is limited.

Wonderer

[QUOTE=Ponegan;1390747]At present it is probably the best sauna in Shanghai: best girls, best selections, best rooms. Waiting time is the only problem: went twice and had to wait 1hr once and 40 minutes the second time.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I am in Shanghai for the first time and wish to try a sauna experience. Can some one help me with the address to Hong Song, since they seam to be the best place for a sauna experiences these days.

I have seen the reports and I am very exited to try this.

I have been living in Shanghai full time for almost 10 years and my experience is as described. X or no X, I have been cheated by dark red and dark blue Santana taxis.

[QUOTE=Wonderer; 1391835]The next day, I went then to Bodi. After the shower, I was asked to wait. I was already disappointed, since four or five Chinese guys were also already waiting. However, after about 2 minutes, I was called and was already happy. On the way to the fishbowl, we pass two girls, but they disappear in one of the girl's rooms. Then, the fishbowl is empty, and they also present only one girl. My "guide" says something about few girls left after Chinese New Year. Well, the girl they present doesn't look too bad. At least at first sight, and she has big tits. So, I agree, even though not too happily.

The girl has then big boops, but they are not completely real, which is usually a turn-off for me. She is also not as slim as I like it. Nevertheless, she gives me a good service and does a few new tricks on the wet bed. The deed is ok, but nothing special. We still have some time left, and we relax and chat a bit. She tells me that she is 40 years old, which is by far beyond the usual age at Bodi or Siyuan. When I go back to the locker room, the boy there asks me how it was, and he also mentions that "this girl is too old".

Now, I believe that Bodi also does some tricks. I am foreigner, and they presented this old girl to me, since they thought I am unfamiliar with China and the place (which both are not true). Most likely, they really do (or did) have a shortage of girls, after the Chinese New Year. And therefore, they wanted to keep the young and pretty ones for the Chinese customers (who are more likely to complain if they do not get what they expect) and possibly for some regulars.

So, my conclusion is (once again) : if they present only one or only very few girls, and you are not totally satisfied with their proposal, you should reject the girls and ask for another selection. Even when there is shortage, there might be other ones. And if necessary, be prepared to wait a bit. Another idea might be to go there in the afternoon, when the number of customers is limited.

Wonderer[/QUOTE]I was at Bo Di in early November. I stop off in the afternoon with two colleagues. A good friend made a call to one of the senior manager and when we got there, after the formalities, he were taken to a private room. You may be right that they stash the younger one for the Chinese customer. On the way to the room, I ask the manager to take a look at the fishbowl. Being early in the afternoon I did not see much in the fishbowl. When we got to the room, they gave us a private line up. Much different than the one the I saw just a few minutes ago. Much younger and higher in quality.

Took this one that looks like a sexy secretary wearing some sexy glasses. When I got to the room, I found out the glasses did not have any glasses, she just wore them for looks. After washing every inch of my body with her tits, ass and tongue, we proceeded to do the deed. I had a bit of problems that afternoon. Sometimes due to my daily meds (hypertension, kidney, asthma. Etc. Just getting friggin old) I had a hard time to nut. We did it for 45 minutes. She absolutely went crazy from moaning to screaming. A few times someone knock on the door asking if she was okay. Finally she had to finish me off with a combo hand, BJ and pu$$why. After we showered, she grabbed my cell and punched in her number (so she gets mines). She literally called me several times every hour asking me where I was staying and if she can meet me. Really

I could not get together with her cause I had a freebie already in Shanghai.

My two other colleagues took two girls each for threesomes. One of them never done a double fly. Total damages for the three of us and five beautiful gals was $3, 800 rmb. The bad thing was that I put it on my company credit card. Usually in China the Saunas are disguised as hotel or restaurant charges. I was totally shocked when I got my AMX and it showed up as "Bo Di Sauna". It is good that I have a great secretary that knows when to keep her mouth shut. All I got was a smile when she ask me to approve the expenses.

[QUOTE=Bnlee2;1391911]My two other colleagues took two girls each for threesomes. One of them never done a double fly. Total damages for the three of us and five beautiful gals was $3, 800 rmb. The bad thing was that I put it on my company credit card. Usually in China the Saunas are disguised as hotel or restaurant charges. I was totally shocked when I got my AMX and it showed up as "Bo Di Sauna". It is good that I have a great secretary that knows when to keep her mouth shut. All I got was a smile when she ask me to approve the expenses.[/QUOTE]

That is surprising. Usually Bodi charges shows up as Jiuyi Touzi (JiuYi Investment) on my statements in the past, but I use VISA, not sure if the card network has anything to do with the name of the entity though.

It has been a while but I recall paying with a Visa card and it showed up as a Bodi Hotel charge. But it has been a year or so.

[QUOTE=Carage;1391931]That is surprising. Usually Bodi charges shows up as Jiuyi Touzi (JiuYi Investment) on my statements in the past, but I use VISA, not sure if the card network has anything to do with the name of the entity though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fritobugger;1391879]I have been living in Shanghai full time for almost 10 years and my experience is as described. X or no X, I have been cheated by dark red and dark blue Santana taxis.[/QUOTE]I sign my money from atm with a number and a letter. I never take blue taxi and red. Normally I wait the green light blue and gold. However the new withe big of expo are not bad. If I m alone never sit in the back so I can see what the driver do with my cash. 3 times I ve had money back from the company. One time I saw the fuxxxx driver cry in front of police. One time (weni I was just arrived here. 8 yrs before they change my money with fake money. Now if I m alone. I prefer drive my scooter.

[QUOTE=Wonderer;1391835]So, my conclusion is (once again) : if they present only one or only very few girls, and you are not totally satisfied with their proposal, you should reject the girls and ask for another selection. Even when there is shortage, there might be other ones. And if necessary, be prepared to wait a bit. Another idea might be to go there in the afternoon, when the number of customers is limited. Wonderer[/QUOTE]Earlier this week I visited Merrylin around 5pm so the girls were having dinner. The fishbowl had about 5 girls and I was not really interested, so decided to wait. After 10 min they presented another lineup, mostly with the same girls. Some girls even joined from their back room while still munching on food (!) very sexy, a Chinese punter who stood next to me said something about it to the manager though. I then made my choice, a slim girl. However, as soon as the manager called her nr through the microphone, the girl (behind the one-way glass) said something and the manager said that it was a no-go! I speak some Chinese and asked why, upon which the manager made some vague statements. I then realized that she would not service laowai, but how does she know I am a foreigner, I. E. The so-called one-way glass is not really one-way, gentlemen! It is even more interesting since I am mixed and thus look somewhat Chinese, certainly from the girls' viewpoint, I. E. She is standing in a bright lit room looking through glass at me standing in the near dark. I do not know how she knew I am a foreigner, because the manager only announced her nr and she could have been chosen by the Chinese punters who were standing next to me. Anyway, I (factually) said to the manager that I am not laowai, but mixed but the manager would not budge. A Chinese punter next to me even joked (in English) that next time I should claim to be 100% Chinese LOL. Anyway, I made a different selection and had a good time. However, it still baffles me how the girl knew I am a foreigner. Sorry for the somewhat long post.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;1392127]Earlier this week I visited Merrylin around 5pm so the girls were having dinner. The fishbowl had about 5 girls and I was not really interested, so decided to wait. After 10 min they presented another lineup, mostly with the same girls. Some girls even joined from their back room while still munching on food (!) very sexy, a Chinese punter who stood next to me said something about it to the manager though. I then made my choice, a slim girl. However, as soon as the manager called her nr through the microphone, the girl (behind the one-way glass) said something and the manager said that it was a no-go! I speak some Chinese and asked why, upon which the manager made some vague statements. I then realized that she would not service laowai, but how does she know I am a foreigner, I. E. The so-called one-way glass is not really one-way, gentlemen! It is even more interesting since I am mixed and thus look somewhat Chinese, certainly from the girls' viewpoint, I. E. She is standing in a bright lit room looking through glass at me standing in the near dark. I do not know how she knew I am a foreigner, because the manager only announced her nr and she could have been chosen by the Chinese punters who were standing next to me. Anyway, I (factually) said to the manager that I am not laowai, but mixed but the manager would not budge. A Chinese punter next to me even joked (in English) that next time I should claim to be 100% Chinese LOL. Anyway, I made a different selection and had a good time. However, it still baffles me how the girl knew I am a foreigner. Sorry for the somewhat long post.[/QUOTE]The fishbowl at 999 might not be exactly one-way either.

There was once when I went there and I was really surprised to see my favorite girl in the past is still working there. I was surprised and she also appeared surprised then she started winking to me.

After we got in the room I asked her how did she recognize me, and she said the fishbowl is not exactly one-way, at least she claimed she recognized me through my body shape and my glasses, but she was hesitant to go on more.

I assume there maybe some management restrictions going on, so I did not press the issue.

But after that I always act under the assumption that the girl could see me behind the glass.

[QUOTE=Carage; 1392175]The fishbowl at 999 might not be exactly one-way either.

But after that I always act under the assumption that the girl could see me behind the glass.[/QUOTE]The glass window gives the impression of privacy to the clients, I mean why else have a separation. In some saunas there is a direct line up in front of you (Sacrosa) where everyone can see each other. Some punters prefer to take their time in selecting and. When they are in a group. Discussing the girls on offer, in which case privacy is welcome. Also privacy allows for choosing another girl than your regular etc, this can avoid complications (bad feelings, loss of face, jealousy etc). So I can fully understand the rationale of the window. However, what I do not understand is the reasoning behind a two-way window : as long as the client does not know it, he will feel the same, OK. But what is the advantage for the girls vs a non-restricted lineup directly in front of the client. Now I found out about the 'fake' window, I feel somewhat cheated by the sauna (please do not over-interpret this). Would welcome members' thoughts and experience on this, am I perhaps missing something?