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If a mother fuck never been inside a courtroom, made a criminal case nor strapped on iron and faced down evil in the street on behalf of their fellow citizen. Then they cannot tell me jack about enforcing the law on a street level by sitting up in their Ivory Tower quoting code.
They should know by now I will keep making the argument. Racial slurs not withstanding, it's not going to stop me!
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3078627]Many stores keep the edibles hidden. I guess for the reason you are saying. Unfortunately for you, most edibles around there are shit and the prices are outrageous. The shop next to my place had the best ones, but they have since closed down. These gummies were the best thing. I used to buy them for 400 baht for 5. Now the only place that sells them charges like 2000 for that same thing. Before that it took me a while to buy them for 800 at that place. Then I went back and they were 2000. I talked to the place that makes them on Instagram and that is like the only store in Pattaya that sells them. Oh shit. I never use instagram, but going back to find that message I see the place that makes them offered to send me some from Chiang Mai for 350. So you see the outrageous markup? Damn! Damn! Damn![/QUOTE]My plan is to buy enough in Bangkok to last 3 weeks. If I have to pay up for them well I guess I have no choice. Can you suggest a place in Bkk? Much appreciate the input.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3078634]Everyone one is welcome to review the following video:
[URL]https://youtu.be/Cos_tfojfZM?si=Ev_RZqoX_pLiuuXe[/URL]
[B]The man never says Prostitution is legal in Thailand![/B] The Act does prohibit certain activities INSIDE Agogo Bars the man says as an example. It is possible to depart the premises with employees of those establishments and all arrangements that occur behind closed doors OFF THE PREMISES the law does not care about the man says. Premises, Privacy and Consent comes into play the man says.
[B]Perhaps you are celebrating your victory too soon?[/B]
It won't! As long as you take the position that prostitution is legal in Thailand (when it clearly is not) I will respond to legal statements that you make that are in error.
On another note: I happen to know of bars that are under suspicion of being prostitution establishments on [B]Soi 6[/B]. I am not naming names as that would be defamatory. And I am not going to tell you how I know (no reveal of sources). It's not in the news. But according to the OP it doesn't exist if there is not a news story about it. Let me tell you my brothers, it exists. And the problem occurred because someone posted details to social media with photographic evidence that was then used by the police to conduct their investigation. So, please do not ask me to read a code while you sit in your IVORY tower handing out false legal information and making racial slurs against individuals such as myself who push back against your narrative of prostitution being legal in Thailand.[/QUOTE]My position is that prostitution between consenting adults is neither illegal nor a crime in Thailand. Which it clearly is not and shown not to be illegal or a crime by every word, phrase and sentence on the subject of laws relating to sexuality and prostitution in the Thai Penal Code and the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act. I hold no position on whether it is "legal" or "not legal" or "legalized" for the purpose of state involvement in it or setting up shops to sell it openly and shamelessly with ads, signs out front and Buy 2, Get 1 BBBJCIM discount coupons as you play word games with it.
I'm not sure if I have ever said or written the words, "prostitution is legal in Thailand. " I have generally stated it not to be illegal or a crime between consenting adults and have only asked for proof somewhere in any legal document that it is illegal and a crime when 3-4 posters here decide they will announce that it is illegal and a crime. So far, not one of them has been able to provide such proof. Not surprisingly, because there isn't any to be found.
Thailand assures us in the Code and Act that prostitution is so much of a non criminal activity and a legitimate way to earn money and make a living that they not only never, ever state that it is illegal or a crime for consenting adults to engage in it, but they also go to great lengths to establish laws against and penalties for any deadbeats in a prostitutes circle of friends, relatives or acquaintances who are not the ones doing the fucking or giving the blowjobs from taking and using any of the money she earns from it! LOL.
When you can show any such effort made by Thailand in those documents to protect the livelihoods and income stolen by thieves, burglars and pickpockets, then I'll consider for a moment that, hmm, maybe, just maybe, prostitution between consenting adults is illegal and a crime in Thailand after all and then consider joining you in this bizarre mission of yours to make punters and curious P4P girls on this International Sex Guide website to falsely believe they should always stay on the run as fugitives of justice for engaging in the neither illegal nor criminal act prostitution in Thailand.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6nlfOOdwyc[/URL]
See, shit like this also happens in other parts of the world. I don't really believe the news reports cause Thailand is paradise and bad things never happen in paradise, but this is what happens when people take the very worst aspects of American culture and adopt it as their own. Not cool guys.
[QUOTE=AssAddict;2974784]I talk a lot and I say nobody can say how beautiful my girls are, because I never share my precious pics with them. So nobody can argue I'm fucking shit for my precious 1000.[/QUOTE]Which begs the question, how do you know what others are doing on [U]Thai Friendly[/U] since they are not posting pictures either?
[QUOTE=AssAddict;3078788]Most thaifriendly posts are madeup fantasies and for the other ones they are scoring the most ugly girls selling their ass in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Care to explain yourself? While you are at it, when was the last time you were in Thailand. No, No, you don't have any posts about being in Thailand since your last post (about which club?) in 2025, now do you?
I am sorry you have live in the in the sex prison called the Dis United States of America and work on it's corporate / government plantations. I was recently in the Dis United States of America and the girls there are fat (70%) obese (30%) and ugly (99% I posted about it in the [B]American Women[/B] thread.
[QUOTE=BoobsMcghee;3078837]I get what you are saying, but pro vs non pro is not just a false difference; I am a 38 year, normal looking Black American[/QUOTE]Then why mother fuck do you have to fly half way around the world, log onto a site that has mostly freelancers (in Pattaya) and complain that you can't get any pussy?
[B]Explain the difference between a pro and a non pro[/B] Because such a thing does not exist when it comes to prostitutes using the Kings English.
A [B]prostitute[/B] is defined as a person who engages in sexual activities or intercourse in exchange for payment.
[B]Nonprofessional[/B] refers to an individual or activity that is not engaged in as a paid profession, does not require specialized formal education or certification, or is performed as a hobby or for personal interest rather than for gain.
In [B]professional sports[/B], as opposed to amateur sports, participants receive payment for their performance.
Now given these definitions in the English language [I]Mr. 38 year, normal looking Black American[/I] it is indeed a false difference. Once a prostitute accepts payment for sexual services the first time she is a professional. [B]There are no Amateur Prostitutes[/B]. There are no prostitutes that are non professionals. If you are dating a girl and she is NOT a prostitute. But she won't have sex with you, so you offer her money and she accepts and has sex with you. Congratulations is in order. You have just turned her into a professional prostitute (activity that is engaged in as a paid profession). Full time or part time does not matter. Amount of times she does it does not matter. She has prostituted herself and that status never changes. [B]You turned her out[/B]! You my brother are now just a step away from becoming a PIMP.
[QUOTE]I ain't that nigga tryna holler 'cause I want some head
I'm that nigga tryna holler 'cause I want some bread
I could care less how she perform when she in the bed
*****, hit that track, catch a date, and come and pay the kid
Look, baby, this is simple, you can't see
You fuckin' with me, you fuckin' with a P-I-M-P[/QUOTE]Now, look in the mirror and accept that you are [B]International Trick[/B] flying around the world to hire prostitutes. Exiting your state of self delusion will help with your current status of mental health.
[B]Check Ball![/B]
[I]No don't get me started on GFE![/I]
Prostitution is not legal in the Kingdom of Thailand.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3078359]I know you have asked for a [B]cracker[/B] with your soup, cheese or wine in your lifetime, you anti-white racist![/QUOTE]I am still waiting for you to expound on your statement and support you position with a quote from the over 7200+ posts that I have made on ISG that shows I am a racist.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3078717]My position is that prostitution between consenting adults is neither illegal nor a crime in Thailand.[/QUOTE]My position is that Prostitution is not legal in the Kingdom of Thailand. There are plenty of conditions that attach when prostitution is the predicate act that makes it illegal.
The real problem with you position is that you cannot provide a single example in the real world in which two consenting adults can engage in prostitution without violating the [U]Thai Penal Code and the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act[/U] (The Act).
So, I have stated that the The Act is silent on prostitution between consenting adults behind closed doors off the premises of a business entity.
I have never written prostitution is illegal: [I]between consenting adults behind closed doors off the premises of a business entity.[/I].
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3078359]I'll consider for a moment that, hmm, maybe, just maybe, prostitution between consenting adults is illegal and a crime in Thailand after all and then consider joining you in this bizarre mission of yours to make punters and curious P4P girls on this International Sex Guide website to falsely believe they should always stay on the run as fugitives of justice for engaging in the neither illegal nor criminal act prostitution in Thailand.[/QUOTE][B]Don't do me any favors[/B]
Never been my position nor desire. My only mission is correct your incorrect use of legal language regarding prostitution in the Kingdom of Thailand and your illogical reasoning. I have provided plenty of examples of prostitution being performed in a way that makes it illegal in Thailand.
[B]International Tricks[/B] can read my posts (which are based in the law, correct use of legal language and sound logic) or they can read your posts (which are based on your IVORY TOWER mentality, incorrect use of legal language and principles and illogical) and decide for themselves.
No matter what position either of us takes it is the [B]International Trick[/B] that will find himself in the trick bag if you lay legal interpretation are not agreed with by the controlling legal authorities.
Don't fuck around and find out [B]EihTooms[/B] is wrong!
[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3077650]Dude was really in the navy in an actual submarine? I thought that was just his handle.[/QUOTE]Word on the ground is that the boy is a well known penny-pincher in Pattaya. Guys were saying he lives a very pathetic solitary life so he finally built a persona online and tries to emulate himself with some tuff talk and pretending to be what he is not. Being pathetic in real life, his childish pathologically undersized brain was fucked up so he still needed a connection between his real and virtual persona. Sub stands for [B]Bus[/B] and Cmdr meant he was the boss in his bus. Simply put, the boy has been a [B]bus driver[/B] in his real life somewhere in the States. That's probably the best achievement in his life if he kept the memory alive in his handle. That's honestly no surprise when you consider the very low level quality posts he is flooding the site with, full of AI redacted comments on top of that.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3078884]Prostitution is not legal in the Kingdom of Thailand.
I am still waiting for you to expound on your statement and support you position with a quote from the over 7200+ posts that I have made on ISG that shows I am a racist.
My position is that Prostitution is not legal in the Kingdom of Thailand. There are plenty of conditions that attach when prostitution is the predicate act that makes it illegal.
The real problem with you position is that you cannot provide a single example in the real world in which two consenting adults can engage in prostitution without violating the [U]Thai Penal Code and the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act[/U] (The Act).[/QUOTE]They can also read the Plain Language in the Thai Penal Code and the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, for which I have provided links, and see I am right.
They can also read the news reports you and others have linked several times on various threads here where the only Sections from either the Code or the Act that are cited as reasons for arrests of prostitutes on the street are Section 5 or some other prostitution-related activity but not for actual prostitution. And some were arrested for suspected visa violations. But none were arrested for exchanging sex for money.
As has probably been the case with every P4 P experience every punter, you and I have ever had in Thailand. In all probability, neither you, nor them, nor me, nor the prostitutes we have ever had sex for money with in our entire Thai mongering lives, as long as it has involved consenting adults, has ever been arrested, indicted, tried, fined, imprisoned or in any other way punished according to Thai Law or that Act for merely exchanging sex for money or money for sex. I doubt any male or female on either side of the deal between consenting adults has gotten so much as a stern talking to by a Thai police officer in many decades if not ever for merely exchanging sex for money or money for sex.
[QUOTE][b]SubCmdr:[/b]So, I have stated that the The Act is silent on prostitution between consenting adults behind closed doors off the premises of a business entity.
I have never written prostitution is illegal: [I]between consenting adults behind closed doors off the premises of a business entity.[/I].[/QUOTE]Oh, then you have come around to agreeing with me, the Thai Penal Code, not just the Act but certainly the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act as well, after all. Why didn't you just say so?
Although I might quibble over the part about "off the premises of a business entity. " I think the stipulation is that the business entity should not itself be in the business of selling sex or in some material way raking off a portion of the money exchanged for sex. After all, a hotel is a "business entity. " A massage shop is a "business entity" in the business of selling therapeutic massage but one of their staff might decide on her own as a consenting adult to exchange some form of sex for money before or after she has conducted that entity's business of giving the customer a massage. And that would also presumably take place behind closed doors or perhaps a curtain on the premises of a business entity.
But there is no need to quibble much over that I think.
BTW, as far as I know, "to quibble" is not a racial slur against any ethnic group that might have been referred to as "quibbles" somewhere at sometime in history. If so, I certainly didn't mean it that way.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3078627]Many stores keep the edibles hidden. I guess for the reason you are saying. Unfortunately for you, most edibles around there are shit and the prices are outrageous. The shop next to my place had the best ones, but they have since closed down. These gummies were the best thing. I used to buy them for 400 baht for 5. Now the only place that sells them charges like 2000 for that same thing. Before that it took me a while to buy them for 800 at that place. Then I went back and they were 2000. I talked to the place that makes them on Instagram and that is like the only store in Pattaya that sells them. Oh shit. I never use instagram, but going back to find that message I see the place that makes them offered to send me some from Chiang Mai for 350. So you see the outrageous markup? Damn! Damn! Damn![/QUOTE]I've messaged 5 different weed stores in the past few days. All say the same thing. They do not sell edible since they are not permitted under Thai law. I guess I'll have to smoke. Damn.
If you think you have won the discussion why do you continue to reply to my posts? If you think your position will carry the day why do you engage in personal attacks? I am stating simple legal principles and known facts that back up my positions. Not once have you said any of my legal positions (specific situations) are wrong and have made a argument to back it up.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3078978][u]As has probably been the case[/u] with every P4 P experience every punter, you and I have ever had in Thailand. [u]In all probability[/u], neither you, nor them, nor me, nor the prostitutes we have ever had sex for money with in our entire Thai mongering lives, as long as it has involved consenting adults, has ever been arrested, indicted, tried, fined, imprisoned or in any other way punished according to Thai Law or that Act for merely exchanging sex for money or money for sex.[/QUOTE]Now you have backed off your absolute statements. You are dealing in probabilities now. Why? Because you don't really know. You state that because there are headlines that those are the only cases involving prostitution that are ever prosecuted under the laws in Thailand. I congratulate your recognition that you cannot state for sure that the headline cases are the only ones that are ever appear on the legal docket.
[B]Why do you ignore the legal concept of a predicate act?[/B]
You do this because you are not making a legal argument. You are arguing your position. Even a a lay person you should understand that the law is it's on language and has it's own principles. Do you have such little respect for the legal profession to think that individuals who have spent three are four years studying the law then passing the bar are less knowledgeable than you are. This is an example of your pure arrogance in my opinion.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3078978]I doubt any male or female on either side of the deal between consenting adults has gotten so much as a stern talking to by a Thai police officer in many decades if not ever for merely exchanging sex for money or money for sex.[/QUOTE]Once again you are not stating a fact. You are giving your opinion. I say, the reason it appears your statement is true is because of selective law enforcement. The police choose to apply their enforcement efforts in a way the managers of those police enforcement resources choose to decide.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3077565]For those that do not understand, street enforcement of the law is not done from Ivory Towers by lay people reading the law and given their interpretation of it. Those who make the best arguments are the ones that call the Police when things go [I]bump in the night[/I]. They have never strapped on iron and confronted a armed suspect in protection of their fellow citizen.
What you are witnessing is called selective enforcement. When crime is being committed there are limited enforcement resources. Those resources are directed by the managers of the Police guided by the Prosecutors of the crimes.
[B]All Law Enforcement is selective Law Enforcement[/B][/QUOTE]Asked and Answered.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3078978]A massage shop is a "business entity" in the business of selling therapeutic massage but one of their staff might decide on her own as a consenting adult to exchange some form of sex for money before or after she has conducted that entity's business of giving the customer a massage. And that would also presumably take place behind closed doors or perhaps a curtain on the premises of a business entity.[/QUOTE]What you describe is illegal. In terms of the provider and the owner. Plain language reading of [B]The Entertainment Place Act B.E. 2509[/B].
[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2981434]Section 6. Any person who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution of oneself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one month or to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht or to both.
Example. A male customer enters a gents club with short time rooms on site. Has a drink with a Thai girl. The Thai girl and male customer talk about going short time upstairs in the short time room. The male customer asks how much for short time. The lady says 1000 Baht. The male customer then confirms what services he wants such as BBFS CIP or BBBJ. The lady agrees. Then the cashier informs the male customer the cost of the room is 500 Baht. The male customer agrees. The cashier then collects the fee for the room and often collects the ST feee too for the lady, but other times the lady collects it in the room. They go upstairs to the room and have sex. One hour later the cashier knocks on the door informing the couple the time is up. Boom! Section 6 law is broken.[/QUOTE][U]Section 7[/U]
Using [U]Thai Friendly[/U] to set up a meeting that will involve prostitution is illegal.
[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2981434]Section 7. Any person who advertises or agrees to advertise, induces or introduces by means of documents or printed matters, or by any means makes known to the public in a manner apparently indicative of importunity or solicitation for the prostitution of oneself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of six months to two years or to a fine of ten thousand to forty thousand Baht or to both.
Example Thai girl in Pattaya opens a Thai Friendly profile in the Pattaya area. She writes in her profile description "looking for ST" she may write the price or may not. Then gives her lime ID or maybe not. Man sends her a message saying he accepts and asks how much if he does not know an already. The girls says 1000 Baht. Boom! Section 7 law is broken.[/QUOTE]Plan language reading of The Act. Feel free to dispute it. The law is not enforced or applied using plain language. It's done by brave individuals who strap on iron and petrol the streets. Prosecutors who are actually members of the bar in Thailand and Judges who are the same. Interacting those who are none of those while reading from the Tomes in their Ivory Towers amuse me. They would be needed to change their underwear the at the first sign of trouble on street. But they KNOW IT ALL. But they cannot find a individual who is a member of the Bar in Thailand that agrees with them. None of them say [B]Prostitution is Legal[/B]. They all describe the law properly using the concept of Prostitution as the predicate act that creates criminal liability. Saying [B]EihTooms[/B] said so will not be a viable defense.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3078359]you anti-white racist![/QUOTE]He also says I am a racist without providing a single quote that backs it up.
[B]The Defense Rests![/B]
[QUOTE=Pokler;3078997]I've messaged 5 different weed stores in the past few days. All say the same thing. They do not sell edible since they are not permitted under Thai law. I guess I'll have to smoke. Damn.[/QUOTE]Dude. You can not message for something like that. We keep trying to teach you the ways of Thailand but you think your way is better. If you message asking about shit like that they will think it is a trap. You have to show up in person and ask. Didn't I tell you many places keep the shit hidden? So what makes you think they are going to admit to having it over a message?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3079054]Dude. You can not message for something like that. We keep trying to teach you the ways of Thailand but you think your way is better. If you message asking about shit like that they will think it is a trap. You have to show up in person and ask. Didn't I tell you many places keep the shit hidden? So what makes you think they are going to admit to having it over a message?[/QUOTE]First off they also state clearly on there websites that they don't sell edibles since they are not permitted under Thai law. I'm not sure what is so difficult abut that for you to understand. Second if I follow your way and go in and they sell me edibles they have hidden or whatever then I am one taking the risk if I ever get stopped by police. What you are suggesting is the equivalent of me going to a legal weed store here in NY and that store sells coke " under the counter ". I would not buy it for same reason. Too risky.
And the penalty of edibles in BKK is greater than coke in NY.
[QUOTE=Pokler;3079086]First off they also state clearly on there websites that they don't sell edibles since they are not permitted under Thai law. I'm not sure what is so difficult abut that for you to understand. Second if I follow your way and go in and they sell me edibles they have hidden or whatever then I am one taking the risk if I ever get stopped by police. What you are suggesting is the equivalent of me going to a legal weed store here in NY and that store sells coke " under the counter ". I would not buy it for same reason. Too risky.
And the penalty of edibles in BKK is greater than coke in NY.[/QUOTE]FYI I bought edibles in August at a shop on 2nd road in Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Pokler;3079086]First off they also state clearly on there websites that they don't sell edibles since they are not permitted under Thai law.[/QUOTE]So you expect them to admit to having it on a public website that everyone including the police can see? Seems you just don't even want to understand how things work. Are you the least bit streetwise? I am sure that if the speed limit says 60, you go 58, while people who understand how things work are going 68.