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[QUOTE=Balboa;2872144]Yes, I look forward to the return of the gang boys and the violence and muggings in Botero Plaza.[/QUOTE]LOL Exactly. And all the zombies in the park. I hope the barriers stay. It way more chill inside since they're up.
They should install some more benches at the plaza for people to sit though.
I don't know why this particular topic is so persistent. To give it a bit of context, compare the average age of this web site's membership with the average age of Colombian guys who wear shorts around Centro. The bottom line is everyone is free to dress as they please. With freedom comes responsibility and consequences.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2872379]I suggest you count how many locals are wearing shorts next time when you go to El Centro,. There are some vendors under Parque Berrio wearing shorts. I saw a whole group of locals sitting by the fence at the corner of the museum wearing shorts. In less then 2 minutes I counted 20 then I gave up.
Based on what you said, a man with blonde hair or over 6 foot tall has the same effect of wearing shorts.[/QUOTE]
The "gringo" Mike S. (34-38 years old) was killed with a crossbow on a farm in Envigado.
The alleged murderers of the American were a woman and her accomplice, motive being stealing jewelry and money.
[URL]https://www.minuto30.com/con-una-cruceta-al-gringo-mike-smith-lo-mataron-en-una-finca-de-envigado/1531823/?no_cache=1701018994[/URL]
[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2872401]The "gringo" Mike S. (34-38 years old) was killed with a crossbow on a farm in Envigado.
The alleged murderers of the American were a woman and her accomplice, motive being stealing jewelry and money.
[URL]https://www.minuto30.com/con-una-cruceta-al-gringo-mike-smith-lo-mataron-en-una-finca-de-envigado/1531823/?no_cache=1701018994[/URL][/QUOTE]I was literally just saying like a week ago that there would be more. And what do you know iphone 15, jewelry, money, 2 women. It's like I predicted the future.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2872398]I don't know why this particular topic is so persistent. To give it a bit of context, compare the average age of this web site's membership with the average age of Colombian guys who wear shorts around Centro. The bottom line is everyone is free to dress as they please. With freedom comes responsibility and consequences.[/QUOTE]It's not about freedom or comparison. It's about the irrational fear. Think about it. Do you think the robber is going to rob me if I wear a football shirt and shorts? I personally think the robber will be pretty dumb to do it as it is obvious I don't have much on me. This is an extreme example but you can get the point.
I don't agree or disagree that they target all gringos. I think they target money so they target anyone who they think have money. We think they target all gringos because most only read news related to gringos, or because a large portion of gringos have money relatively speaking.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2872434]It's not about freedom or comparison. It's about the irrational fear. Think about it. Do you think the robber is going to rob me if I wear a football shirt and shorts? I personally think the robber will be pretty dumb to do it as it is obvious I don't have much on me. This is an extreme example but you can get the point.
I don't agree or disagree that they target all gringos. I think they target money so they target anyone who they think have money. We think they target all gringos because most only read news related to gringos, or because a large portion of gringos have money relatively speaking.[/QUOTE]Who's that gringo from Canada who lives homeless on the streets of the Bronx smoking bazuko? I saw him on a YouTube video. They definitely aren't targeting him and he is a gringo.
I agree that they target gringos that appear to have money.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Benches were removed to discourage loitering in the park. The stated objective of the barriers and the bench removal was to "take back the park" from undesirables (anyone who isn't a tourist). The last Mayor did it as a hail Mary attempt to salvage the sinking campaign of his progressive alliance after it had become clear in the polls that it was quickly trending downward. There were constant photo ops and flashy staged performance events. At one point the barriers were pushed down and sculptures were vandalized by protestors. Mayor Quintero had then re-installed. The streets are saying Fico will remove the barriers when he takes over next year. I think there is a happy medium of restricting street cart vendors with public address systems and allowing the traditional mix of punter rats, chicas, and drug dealers. We will all see what happens two or three months from now.
[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2872397]LOL Exactly. And all the zombies in the park. I hope the barriers stay. It way more chill inside since they're up.
They should install some more benches at the plaza for people to sit though.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2872532]You can't have your cake and eat it too. Benches were removed to discourage loitering in the park. The stated objective of the barriers and the bench removal was to "take back the park" from undesirables (anyone who isn't a tourist). The last Mayor did it as a hail Mary attempt to salvage the sinking campaign of his progressive alliance after it had become clear in the polls that it was quickly trending downward. There were constant photo ops and flashy staged performance events. At one point the barriers were pushed down and sculptures were vandalized by protestors. Mayor Quintero had then re-installed. The streets are saying Fico will remove the barriers when he takes over next year. I think there is a happy medium of restricting street cart vendors with public address systems and allowing the traditional mix of punter rats, chicas, and drug dealers. We will all see what happens two or three months from now.[/QUOTE]Good explanation. Since the plaza has been "taken back" now and they don't even frisk anyone anymore they should put back the benches, or install more. It's just strange that people have to brake their asses on the park fence or sit uncomfortably crouched alongside museum (with rats frolicking behind, and even then there is often no extra space) to be able to rest while seeing the major tourist attraction. The remaining benches seem to be almost always occupied by the same locals anyways.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2872532]You can't have your cake and eat it too. Benches were removed to discourage loitering in the park. The stated objective of the barriers and the bench removal was to "take back the park" from undesirables (anyone who isn't a tourist). The last Mayor did it as a hail Mary attempt to salvage the sinking campaign of his progressive alliance after it had become clear in the polls that it was quickly trending downward. There were constant photo ops and flashy staged performance events. At one point the barriers were pushed down and sculptures were vandalized by protestors. Mayor Quintero had then re-installed. The streets are saying Fico will remove the barriers when he takes over next year. I think there is a happy medium of restricting street cart vendors with public address systems and allowing the traditional mix of punter rats, chicas, and drug dealers. We will all see what happens two or three months from now.[/QUOTE]I say fuck the barriers and I say fuck Daniel Quintero too.
"Taking back the park from undisreables" is in clear violation of this law (see attached foto). How can you have a law that says that public parks cannot bre closed that they must be open to all the citizens for their enjoyment and free transit while at the same time picking and choosing which citizens are allowed in??
Daniel Quintero is a fucking criminal. I say lock his ass up!
This message is for all you poblado boys aka weekend warriors, passport bros, etc. You come down here flashing your IPhone 15 Pro Max 512 gb and your gold chains and flashy jewelry and this is what will happen to you:
[URL]https://youtu.be/a4zYwnrMkG8?si=iiD7Epf3AygNd2Oi[/URL]
Follow along.
It is absolutely the same few locals who camp out on the benches most days. The older coffee ladies claim them early in the day and take turns making sales rounds and keeping their thermoses on the benches so they have seats when they want them. A few of the same oldtimers sit with them for an hour or so at a time. The second most popular bench alternative after the fences is the fountain on the Nutibara side of the plaza. None of it makes any sense and the barrier entrances have recently been manned by police on a part time basis only. On a related note, I asked a city worker why trees were cut down along the side of the Palacio Uribe cultural center. I had assumed it was to give the authorities an unobstructed CCTV view but he told me it was because the trees were diseased and had to be cut down to avoid them falling on a passerby. He didn't have an answer when I asked if they would be replaced. Ever since the pandemic when something like a couple of dozen people had the entire plaza to ourselves for months, I've felt a closer connection with what goes on there. I didn't think that was possible but the pandemic changed many of our beliefs.
[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2872584]Good explanation. Since the plaza has been "taken back" now and they don't even frisk anyone anymore they should put back the benches, or install more. It's just strange that people have to brake their asses on the park fence or sit uncomfortably crouched alongside museum (with rats frolicking behind, and even then there is often no extra space) to be able to rest while seeing the major tourist attraction. The remaining benches seem to be almost always occupied by the same locals anyways.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2872401]The "gringo" Mike S. (34-38 years old) was killed with a crossbow on a farm in Envigado.
The alleged murderers of the American were a woman and her accomplice, motive being stealing jewelry and money.
[URL]https://www.minuto30.com/con-una-cruceta-al-gringo-mike-smith-lo-mataron-en-una-finca-de-envigado/1531823/?no_cache=1701018994[/URL][/QUOTE]Read the comments to see what (a lot of) Colombians think of male tourists looking for pussy.
[QUOTE=Combo;2872699]Read the comments to see what (a lot of) Colombians think of male tourists looking for pussy.[/QUOTE]Can you really blame them for thinking that way?
To be honest the weekend warriors need to just go away.
[QUOTE=Combo;2872699]Read the comments to see what (a lot of) Colombians think of male tourists looking for pussy.[/QUOTE]There were 8 comments. One said they do not learn. Another said that is what you get for coming here looking for hookers. Another said it is the Venezuelans doing all the killing. The other 5 said to stop blaming the victim and that nobody deserves to die because they sought the services of a hooker. Which of these are you saying is what Colombians think of male tourists looking for pussy?
Different people have different thoughts concerning different things. Is anyone supposed to live their lives based on the diversified thoughts of strangers? The comment saying that is what you get also said you come do it here because it is not legal there. Duuuhhh. As if that constitutes a wrong doing. The same way people from there go to overseas because more money is paid. The same way I go to the racetrack to drive fast because there is a speed limit on the public roads. Am I supposed to not go somewhere something is allowed just because it is not allowed where I live? That would be dumb.
Quintero is out of the picture now. Two years ago he had himself and his core followers convinced he was a future president of Colombia. Now that he resigned in disgrace and his patron Gustavo Petro has more active scandals than all his predecessors combined, only the most delusional believe he has any political future. You might be right about him going to jail. Even if Fico agrees with the barriers I don't see that he has any choice but to remove them to avoid getting the stink of Quintero's disastrous term on him.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2872641]I say fuck the barriers and I say fuck Daniel Quintero too.
"Taking back the park from undisreables" is in clear violation of this law (see attached foto). How can you have a law that says that public parks cannot bre closed that they must be open to all the citizens for their enjoyment and free transit while at the same time picking and choosing which citizens are allowed in??
Daniel Quintero is a fucking criminal. I say lock his ass up![/QUOTE]