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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2159198]2 close friends in the last few months with multi-drug resistant NSUs.[/QUOTE]Sir, Please don't leave us with this small amount of information. What is the final outcome? I would assume that they are completely cured but with some difficulty and multiple weeks of antibiotic combinations.
[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2159331]Sir, Please don't leave us with this small amount of information. What is the final outcome? I would assume that they are completely cured but with some difficulty and multiple weeks of antibiotic combinations.[/QUOTE]Went through several rounds of anti-biotics. One has some meds ordered from Australia for him. Ok, but it was a battle.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2159326]I agree with your bar tour assessment here. Recently, I have been taking Billboard and Burrterfles girls more often with very satisfying and happy results. Also a couple of Bangkok Bunnies girls, not mentioned in your tour. But I am not attracted to or inspired by as many girls there lately as in other bars.
[/QUOTE]Okay My earliest visit to BBunnies saw almost every topless girl having either silicone or bad sag, the next visit saw a lot of improvement in the line up. So my point is, without trying again, I can't know if has improved a lot further for my taste or not. So I will take a new look another day.
Clearly everyone has different taste and many are liking the surgeries girls. Billboard had a lot of no surgeries girls and many tall slim model types, where Butterflies was a bit behind in this category although still plenty of non surgery girls. I rate Billboard line up significantly higher, for my taste on this Tuesday. Not many tall slim models are in the bath area. LOL Bath girls are usually the short girls, but mostly natural tits, which is good, but not so perfect body shapes, appealed to me less. Billboard had far higher rate of customers compared to Butterflies. Twisters had a pretty fair set of customers, however the models were not as good (except for 1 or 2).
The key point is whether you can find the right pretty girls with the attitude you are looking for. For looks only, I am now rating some bars as quite superior to Cowboy bars. I only ever BFed one girl from Billboard (with repeats) before and she was perfect GFE. She found a sponsor very quickly I would bet. Just so sweet and lovely. So it is about choosing well or getting lucky.
On Billboard stage, some are Coyotes and probably have a steeper BF, I forgot to check. Not clear if all are available for sex. Safer to choose the G-string girls (maybe) although my previous girl from Billboard did not wear a G-string (something bigger).
I have not been into a bar like Rainbow 3 for many years. It was once an extremely high pressure hassle by staff place, where could not sit an relax. I wonder if it ever changed and became a better bar?
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2159186]I have used those OraQuick test kits on girls before. I had 5 kits and used them all. None of them tested positive. I wish I knew a girl who was HIV positive just to run one of those tests on her to see if they really work.[/QUOTE]Web suggests about 91% chance of identifying a HIV positive correctly (assumes correct usage). Not expected to work well for HIV contracted in last 3 months.
So 91% is better than nothing. If negative, at least you improved your risk odds 10 fold. Clearly not even close to Red Cross virus amplification test accuracy levels (the non instant one), and significantly behind a proper same day blood test as well.
If a girl is willing to be tested, that already decreases the likelihood she has HIV, as could indicate she is not aware of any HIV. I think they estimate about 1 in 6 HIV positives were unaware, which could be due to having it a relatively short time, and of course not being tested.
If girl test positive to the oral test, what would you do? Wear a condom and still fuck is probably a rational thing, but guys would have to be scared of a condom accident, and I am sure psychologically not keen to continue. Of course thousands of guys are fucking HIV positive girls every day, blissfully unaware, but hopefully using condoms, to be safe.
I do BB only with a girl tested at Red Cross from time to time, and she is doing a very limited set of guys. She is not a hooker doing BBFS every day. My biggest concern would be to catch some other STD. That always has a much higher chance. I have caught an STD in the past likely to be from BBBJ, or fingering. So there are always risks. Choose sensible girls that are likely to be safer, not too wild and wayward. Ha ha. I know wild and wayward is exactly your taste. LOL
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2159456] -snip-
Of course thousands of guys are fucking HIV positive girls every day, blissfully unaware, but hopefully using condoms, to be safe.
-snip-[/QUOTE]I assume you mean on the entire planet Earth and not just in the Bangkok P4 P scene, right?
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I have not been into a bar like Rainbow 3 for many years. It was once an extremely high pressure hassle by staff place, where could not sit an relax. I wonder if it ever changed and became a better bar?[/QUOTE]The only bar in all of Thailand were I have lost my temper - 3 years ago. A ***** of a waiter shouted to me that I had to buy another beer. I already had one and sat for 2 minutes to consider if I should leave or buy another one. This lady made it easy to chose. I shouted back and asked her to "f**ck off" and leave me alone. I went to the manager and asked her to fire this stupid waiter. Needless to say, they did nothing. Never set my foot in Rainbow 3 after that. From what I recall the bar was nothing special. The other Rainbow bars are better, but a little boring. Very little interaction and flirting from the girls on stage.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2159456]Choose sensible girls that are likely to be safer, not too wild and wayward. Ha ha. I know wild and wayward is exactly your taste. LOL[/QUOTE]Just because my favorite Thai girl decorates and paints her body and face like a Zulu warrior, has had multiple surgeries and piercings, has been in the business for years and years, and has a French boyfriend who enjoys traveling to Africa to have sex with green monkeys, you think that might make her high risk?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2159478]I assume you mean on the entire planet Earth and not just in the Bangkok P4 P scene, right?[/QUOTE]Yeh, I forgot this Bangkok Thread for a moment, since we were on a more general topic. LOL.
I don't actually know the number of HIV Hookers likely in Bangkok or what percentage of the hookers should HIV Positive. I do know of at least one girl reported to be HIV Positive, that I met in 1991 but never fucked her. She was a friend of my regular girl and very pretty. Should be aged at least 46 now. 18 YO hookers maybe be statistically much less likely to be HIV positive, using a logical guess, based on fewer total BB fucks.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2159517]Just because my favorite Thai girl decorates and paints her body and face like a Zulu warrior, has had multiple surgeries and piercings, has been in the business for years and years, and has a French boyfriend who enjoys traveling to Africa to have sex with green monkeys, you think that might make her high risk?[/QUOTE]You did not mention if she takes it BB up the ass. That would definitely decide it. LOL.
[QUOTE=Aviator12;2159513]The only bar in all of Thailand were I have lost my temper - 3 years ago. A ***** of a waiter shouted to me that I had to buy another beer. I already had one and sat for 2 minutes to consider if I should leave or buy another one. This lady made it easy to chose. I shouted back and asked her to "f**ck off" and leave me alone. I went to the manager and asked her to fire this stupid waiter. Needless to say, they did nothing. Never set my foot in Rainbow 3 after that. From what I recall the bar was nothing special. The other Rainbow bars are better, but a little boring. Very little interaction and flirting from the girls on stage.[/QUOTE]It would be a lot more years since my visit, but like you, this was one of the very few bars that made my blood boil. I am normally very relaxed and laid back in most bars, even the ones I have no great liking for. I usually can ignore the odd approach by waitresses, mamasans, or girls.
Strangely I took a strong dislike to the setup at Hillary 4, I think it was. The staff get paid by how many drinks they sell, and this caused many of them to keep hassling me about ordering more drinks. I expect that Rainbow 3 could have been the same.
First timer. Landing at midnight at Don Muang Airport. Need help on below:
Post 2 am, which bar can I go with a motive of good lapdance.
Next day, in morning to evening, I wish to plan nuru massage, soapy massage for sure. Which time and which place should I hit. I am on budget and want to explore the fantasies Bangkok has to offer.
Is there any club offering Russian lap dance or foreigners massage?
What should I be checking in the evening next day?
Sex is not on my mind. But good lapdance, voyeurism, BDSM, lesbian act, special massages.
Any help will be appreciated.
I know that girls from soapies like SW, Mango cost 3000 bahts for 2 hours in your hotel room. However, the quality in soapies was quite low this time. Freelancers were cheap at 1000 bahts but quality was horrible. Looks like I have to up the game and expand the horizon. I have not tried the bar scene so far in soi cow boy or nana so can someone please let me know average cost of ST (2 hours) from bars in nana or soi cowboy area? (cost of BF + cost of girl + cost of drinks).
Thanks in Advance.
[QUOTE=Margaya;2159995]I know that girls from soapies like SW, Mango cost 3000 bahts for 2 hours in your hotel room. However, the quality in soapies was quite low this time. Freelancers were cheap at 1000 bahts but quality was horrible. Looks like I have to up the game and expand the horizon. I have not tried the bar scene so far in soi cow boy or nana so can someone please let me know average cost of ST (2 hours) from bars in nana or soi cowboy area? (cost of BF + cost of girl + cost of drinks).
Thanks in Advance.[/QUOTE]Those are known as Oilies not Soapies. There is no bath in soap suds, and no fishbowl to select the ladies from. There are virtually no more Soapies in Sukhumvit, except that Chavala is sort of like a Soapy but did not have proper rooms last visit (maybe 20 years ago), and have no full sex.
Generally you can find better looking girls in some bars.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2159326]I agree with your bar tour assessment here. Recently, I have been taking Billboard and Burrterfles girls more often with very satisfying and happy results. Also a couple of Bangkok Bunnies girls, not mentioned in your tour. But I am not attracted to or inspired by as many girls there lately as in other bars.
[/QUOTE]There was some smell in the left staircase descending from Billboard today, but only slight. Not that noticeable compared to streets in Thailand.
I tried out Bangkok Bunnies. This bar is a little bit more playful and wayward than Billboard, and girls mostly have fuller figures, a significant portion were "bpum bpui" (pudgy) for me. Some girls were showing off their tits uncovered. I got approached by at least 4 girls. I ignored them all and refused to look at them or shake their hands. That works. The best slim model types were 3 girls. All 3 were sitting with this guy with a man bun. These were of reasonably high standard for me but all occupied. It was about 11 pm.
My earliest visit to Bunnies found the place dominated by silicone but this was no longer the case, with plenty of natural tit girls available. Overall level of surgeries was quite low. This place is going to suit guys who don't like skinny girls, or do not prefer skinny, most likely.
For those like me who prefer the skinny model types with natural tits, Billboard is the better choice. In Billboard the girls don't hassle you. At 11.30 PM the place was rather full so was better to sit on the sides to get away from standing groups of guys. One floor (girl group) was a bit average but the other group had plenty of skinny models and some quite pretty, that I could say virtually stunning for my taste.
Girls 900,918, 52,94 were all very pretty and sexy to my taste. There were several runners up as well. Would take time to find out who is the best choice for BF. 900 and 918 looked very playful with guys they were with. I will need to talk to them another day. I chatted with 94 Aew and 52 Kate. Kate (from Rayong) was the best looking in an exotic way and best body, but she was a bit hyper active and slightly crazy. Could be high on something. I had misgivings about BFing her sometime, as I prefer someone more relaxed, less kooky. Aew was a very nice girl, less stunning, and maybe a little bit of baby damage, mostly covered up by the knickers, and small tits. A possibility but I would like a chance to know 900 and 918 first. So Billboard is still a work in progress. I don't like to pick a girl too quick and make a mistake. Billboard is quite low on silicones but there are a few nose jobs. 54 looked like a LB to me, but I am assured there are no LBs there. Just was shaped a bit too slim in the hips and moved a little strangely.
For 2nd time, this week, a girl chatted to me about a very popular Thai soapy serial currently showing on the TV. They were surprised I knew quite a bit about it. I had checked it out on You Tube to see if was good for testing my Thai comprehension. Today actually the two girls chatting to each other mentioned it. Certain TV shows can be an important topic for young Thai girls, especially the romantic kind, comedies, or ghost stories, or preferably a combination of two categories. LOL.
The fat bad mamasan always has to come and annoy me for a moment, since she remembers me from her Crazy House and Mercury days (probably fired from both), however I never forget how she ripped me off 300 baht change from the BF once, by disappearing in the toilet at closing time. So if at Billboard, avoid the big fat mamasan. I think there is only one like this.
[QUOTE=Forpiyshjain;2159895]
Post 2 am, which bar can I go with a motive of good lapdance.
[/QUOTE]Billboard and Crazy House and a few others are good for getting a girl to gyrate sitting on your lap (in Crazy that is completely nude), however post 2 am is too late. Most bars are closing at 2 am, and some days when police around closing at 1 am.
9 pm is the perfect time to attend. You will have to buy drinks for the girl.
If you don't want sex, the best thing to do at 2am is go to sleep, or call an all night massage place to send a girl to you, but that will cost you the same as taking sex most likely (I never tried so I don't know if any sexy girls want to do late massage for cheap price - doubtful).
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2159871]Strangely I took a strong dislike to the setup at Hillary 4, I think it was. The staff get paid by how many drinks they sell, and this caused many of them to keep hassling me about ordering more drinks. I expect that Rainbow 3 could have been the same.[/QUOTE]Correction. That should have been Hillary 1 I believe, it was on the west side of Soi 4. Looks like a redevelopment area now.
Not to pile on but my experience with Rainbow 3 was bad too. Post #36486. I haven't been back since, won't even bother poking my head in the curtain. It's been a couple years and I am certainly wiser and more experienced and things change, but honestly the experience just rubbed me the wrong way too much.
[QUOTE=Aviator12;2159513]The only bar in all of Thailand were I have lost my temper - 3 years ago. A ***** of a waiter shouted to me that I had to buy another beer. I already had one and sat for 2 minutes to consider if I should leave or buy another one. This lady made it easy to chose. I shouted back and asked her to "f**ck off" and leave me alone. I went to the manager and asked her to fire this stupid waiter. Needless to say, they did nothing. Never set my foot in Rainbow 3 after that. From what I recall the bar was nothing special. The other Rainbow bars are better, but a little boring. Very little interaction and flirting from the girls on stage.[/QUOTE]
I have been barfining from Billboard last few years and 1 of my regulars is there. I have never heard of or seen any girl at billboard that wouldn't barfine. As my girl explained to me they do have "agency" girls, but their barfine is the same they have the triple digit numbers XXX. The girls that work for the bar just have double digit numbers XX. She was originally an agency girl and then their agent disappeared owing all her girls money and the billboard mgt offered to bring them on. That's the story at least she told me, didn't ask for extra money or anything and this was after I had seen her a bunch of times so no reason to disbelieve it.
The one thing they started in the last year was a 2 tier barfine system. ST 700, LT 1000.
And thanks to Syz and some others about the bad mamasan. I have avoided her most of my visits to billboard but true to form the 1 time I didn't she was a pain in the ass.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2159432]Okay My earliest visit to BBunnies saw almost every topless girl having either silicone or bad sag, the next visit saw a lot of improvement in the line up. So my point is, without trying again, I can't know if has improved a lot further for my taste or not. So I will take a new look another day.
Clearly everyone has different taste and many are liking the surgeries girls. Billboard had a lot of no surgeries girls and many tall slim model types, where Butterflies was a bit behind in this category although still plenty of non surgery girls. I rate Billboard line up significantly higher, for my taste on this Tuesday. Not many tall slim models are in the bath area. LOL Bath girls are usually the short girls, but mostly natural tits, which is good, but not so perfect body shapes, appealed to me less. Billboard had far higher rate of customers compared to Butterflies. Twisters had a pretty fair set of customers, however the models were not as good (except for 1 or 2).
The key point is whether you can find the right pretty girls with the attitude you are looking for. For looks only, I am now rating some bars as quite superior to Cowboy bars. I only ever BFed one girl from Billboard (with repeats) before and she was perfect GFE. She found a sponsor very quickly I would bet. Just so sweet and lovely. So it is about choosing well or getting lucky.
On Billboard stage, some are Coyotes and probably have a steeper BF, I forgot to check. Not clear if all are available for sex. Safer to choose the G-string girls (maybe) although my previous girl from Billboard did not wear a G-string (something bigger).
I have not been into a bar like Rainbow 3 for many years. It was once an extremely high pressure hassle by staff place, where could not sit an relax. I wonder if it ever changed and became a better bar?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2160055]Generally you can find better looking girls in some bars.[/QUOTE]True. But what is approx cost of a takeout to Hotel room for 1 or 2 hours?
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2160072]
The fat bad mamasan always has to come and annoy me for a moment, since she remembers me from her Crazy House and Mercury days (probably fired from both), however I never forget how she ripped me off 300 baht change from the BF once, by disappearing in the toilet at closing time. So if at Billboard, avoid the big fat mamasan. I think there is only one like this.[/QUOTE]The fat bad mamasan at Billboard also used to annoy me for tips at Crazy House and my reaction was usually to open my arms and pucker my lips to give her a big kiss in silly mock affection, which made her laugh and also eventually led to her leaving me alone about it. She once tried to steal my change the way she did with you, too. I sent my server into the crowd to find her and get my change and the server brought it back to me with an apology from the mamasan about having "forgotten" since they were so busy at the time. LOL.
But here's the problem; back when she was the mamasan at Crazy House, I barfined several girls from there with whom I had such good P4P experiences I repeated them often. Yes, some of those good CH girls left while she was still working there. But after that fat bad mamasan left or was fired from Crazy House, I have not barfined anyone from there worth a damn. The rate of good to bad P4P experiences with CH girls got so bad, I stopped and have not barfined a girl from there in a long time.
Before that fat bad mamasan showed up at Billboard, I couldn't score a decent P4P experience from any girls at Billboard if my life depended on it. And I had a long running goofy experiment with the situation, returning to Billboard every now and then (because other punters kept going on about how great the place and girls were), giving it a chance to redeem itself for me time and time again just to see how many lousy P4P experiences in a row I could rack up from the same highly praised go-go bar. I think I got up to 12 disappointing duds and rip offs in a row over the course of several months or a couple of years, and I'm not joking about that.
However, SINCE that fat bad mamasan started working in Billboard, my P4P "luck" with Billboard girls has improved remarkably. And I am not joking about that, either. I have now taken several girls from Billboard in a row who have not ripped me off or turned out to be duds at all. Every one of them, at least 8-9 over the past year or so, delivered the goods in my room exactly as they agreed to do so in the bar, which is a complete turnaround from my pre fat bad mamasan Billboard record of results.
So what is to be concluded about that? Maybe nothing. Or maybe everything. As annoying as she is with drinking customers, is she annoying in another way with the girls about making sure they are not in the business of ripping us off after we have have barfined them? It wouldn't take much effort to get a better result on that count compared with what most go-go bar mamasans probably do for their money. I mean, if that fat bad mamasan does nothing more than stroll through the gathering of girls right before opening, clap her hands and say something like, "Ok, ladies, remember a big part of your job here is to get barfined and make sure your customer is happy about that so he will return again ASAP", then that one annoying (to many girls) directive is probably a million times greater effort to positively influence what the girls do after scoring a barfine than what 99.9% of every other mamasan in the city does, even the slim nice ones.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2160072]There was some smell in the left staircase descending from Billboard today, but only slight. Not that noticeable compared to streets in Thailand.
[/QUOTE]I wonder if the "garbage" smell some have mentioned in the Nana Plaza area is related to the Tobacco Monopoly complex located at the far end of Soi 4. It has been there for years, isn't particularly active anymore but if the wind is blowing just right even I can smell the aroma of tobacco leaves emanating from it. It isn't the smell of burning tobacco as from a cigarette. I'm talking about the smell of tobacco leaves still being stored or otherwise dealt with down that soi. And I must say I have smelled more of that myself lately, not just on Soi 4 but other nearby sois as well, because the wind has been carrying it all the way up to Sukhumvit. If someone associates the smell of tobacco with the smell of "garbage", then that could likely be a factor.
[QUOTE]Correction. That should have been Hillary 1 I believe, it was on the west side of Soi 4. Looks like a redevelopment area now.[/QUOTE]Yes, that area has been in redevelopment for a quite a while. Actually, I suspect the redevelopment concept and project had more to do with the closure of Annie's Massage than anything else. I once had a conversation with the owner of The Mexican restaurant next door to Annie's and mentioned that, looking down his way from Soi 4, his sign was overwhelmed by the Annie's sign. He replied with something like, "I know. But they will be closing and bringing down that sign pretty soon." That was probably about a year ago. So Annie's next door neighbor business was already aware that Annie's was going to close months and months ago, which argues against an unexpected sanitation issue, imo. I didn't ask more about that since I was never an Annie's customer, didn't care about it, and I must have automatically assumed he meant the closure was part of the redevelopment project and that, like other bars there, would reopen newly remodeled elsewhere on the lot.
Hey EihTooms,
If you are talking about the same "Fat Mamasan" that I think you are talking about, then I think you made an excellent point. Yes, the fat CH mamasan was always looking for tips & drinks from me too and sometimes was she real slow in returning my change from a barfine. But, over time we developed an understanding which was: if I was there to barfine, I would buy her a drink (non-alcoholic, her choice) and tip her 100 baht (my choice) and if I was there simply to reconnoiter, then no drink & no tip.
So, we actually got along pretty good and I am do believe that our mutual cordiality & friendliness was noticed by all the girls on stage. It may have been just coincidence, or my savoir fare & good looks, or maybe just random luck, but in all the time I knew her I never had a bad barfine from CH and in fact enjoyed a series of great, repeat girls. CH was my favorite Go Go for a couple of years including last year even after Twister, my 2nd favorite bar opened up.
It will be interesting to see if I do as well in CH this next time around without her being around and equally interesting to see if she is the same "Fat Mamasan" I think we are talking about when I walk into Billboard. She always welcomed me back to BKK with open arms and I do mean open arms whenever I walked back into her Go Go and she always remembered who my favorite girls were and if they were not around any longer what type of girl I preferred. 555! Not a bad mamasan in my opinion.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2160169]
But here's the problem; back when she was the mamasan at Crazy House, I barfined several girls from there with whom I had such good P4P experiences I repeated them often. Yes, some of those good CH girls left while she was still working there. But after that fat bad mamasan left or was fired from Crazy House, I have not barfined anyone from there worth a damn. The rate of good to bad P4P experiences with CH girls got so bad, I stopped and have not barfined a girl from there in a long time.
Before that fat bad mamasan showed up at Billboard, I couldn't score a decent P4P experience from any girls at Billboard if my life depended on it. And I had a long running goofy experiment with the situation, returning to Billboard every now and then (because other punters kept going on about how great the place and girls were), giving it a chance to redeem itself for me time and time again just to see how many lousy P4P experiences in a row I could rack up from the same highly praised go-go bar. I think I got up to 12 disappointing duds and rip offs in a row over the course of several months or a couple of years, and I'm not joking about that.
[/QUOTE]To Natty, yes it's the same mamasan, for sure. Often other staff in the bar dislike her too. Always pushy for drinks and tips, which is why I did my best to avoid her. Once you buy a mamasan a drink, she will start returning often like flies. She would also push the girls into asking for a drink for the mamasan.
Eih, I think you just mention a strange co-incidence in a way. It should be more a comment in the changes in the quality of the girls. I have only BFed one girl at BB, which had nothing whatsoever to do with the mamasan, and she was just great. I paid the BF to gay boy (mamasan), avoiding the fat one. Billboard line up has been improving. They don't lack really pretty girls any more. So it is not just good bodies.
Meanwhile the standard of girls at CH has declined over the years. I have had good and bad girls from there. I mostly just repeated my good girls. I don't see any correlation to the mamasan since I was not using her. I normally (not always) give my BF to the girl and she decides which mamasan to utilize. I have not tried a new girl at CH for at least 2 years, I guess (although I have bad memory for girls that were poor). I believe Jan (Jun) was last one I tried and she was fine, until eventually pissed me off at some later date. Before that I had a looker student Paeng (Donut) for a while till she disappeared (probably found a sponser). CH always had a mixture of good girls and crap girls. Perhaps more difficult to select girls if have the BBFS requirement. There are still 2 girls I can do there who were working there for years, on and off. New girls are risky. As always, if a new stunner showed up, I would try most likely. Just have not really been any lately when I was there. Definitely Billboard has much prettier girls right now, but we can't see the whole body. I just need more time to review the lookers and decide which one or two should be the most likely for GFE. I will have to show up earlier next time like 8. 30 PM, before gets too busy.
[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2160152]I have been barfining from Billboard last few years and 1 of my regulars is there. I have never heard of or seen any girl at billboard that wouldn't barfine. As my girl explained to me they do have "agency" girls, but their barfine is the same they have the triple digit numbers XXX. The girls that work for the bar just have double digit numbers XX. She was originally an agency girl and then their agent disappeared owing all her girls money and the billboard mgt offered to bring them on. That's the story at least she told me, didn't ask for extra money or anything and this was after I had seen her a bunch of times so no reason to disbelieve it.
The one thing they started in the last year was a 2 tier barfine system. ST 700, LT 1000.
And thanks to Syz and some others about the bad mamasan. I have avoided her most of my visits to billboard but true to form the 1 time I didn't she was a pain in the ass.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that info. It is relevant, since the 2 pretty girls that I liked who seemed to interact very well with customers were 900 and 918. They looked promising if I can get to them not busy.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2160214]Hey EihTooms,
If you are talking about the same "Fat Mamasan" that I think you are talking about, then I think you made an excellent point. Yes, the fat CH mamasan was always looking for tips & drinks from me too and sometimes was she real slow in returning my change from a barfine. But, over time we developed an understanding which was: if I was there to barfine, I would buy her a drink (non-alcoholic, her choice) and tip her 100 baht (my choice) and if I was there simply to reconnoiter, then no drink & no tip.
So, we actually got along pretty good and I am do believe that our mutual cordiality & friendliness was noticed by all the girls on stage. It may have been just coincidence, or my savoir fare & good looks, or maybe just random luck, but in all the time I knew her I never had a bad barfine from CH and in fact enjoyed a series of great, repeat girls. CH was my favorite Go Go for a couple of years including last year even after Twister, my 2nd favorite bar opened up.
It will be interesting to see if I do as well in CH this next time around without her being around and equally interesting to see if she is the same "Fat Mamasan" I think we are talking about when I walk into Billboard. She always welcomed me back to BKK with open arms and I do mean open arms whenever I walked back into her Go Go and she always remembered who my favorite girls were and if they were not around any longer what type of girl I preferred. 555! Not a bad mamasan in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Natty, the one I am talking about has shoulder length brown hair, still trying to look youngish I guess, and displays plenty of fat mamasan cleavage. Big, older looking face. She is not the somewhat "cute" demeanor fat mamasan that I sometimes see there. She generally has a grumpy look on her face but can break into a smile quickly like she doesn't really doesn't know she looks so grumpy.
When I first saw her working in Billboard, she recognized me from her Crazy House days, we nodded and smiled at each other but that was and has ever since been about the extent of our interaction in Billboard. Maybe a couple of times she stepped up to where I was sitting in the bleachers and gestured to the girls on stage in that "Which one do you want?" move, to which I have always given a slight head shake no, not now, and she moves on. But most customers get that move from her and other mamasans. So I don't think to whatever extent her presence in Billboard has contributed to my much improved P4 P results there can be attributed to my being seen by the girls as knowing her, demonstrably friendly to her, tipping her, buying her drinks or even noticing her at all. Unless she has spoken to the girls about me on the side without my knowing about it, pointing me out across the room or whatever. And I have no idea why she would make that extra effort for me. So I doubt that happened.
If her presence there has contributed to my much improved P4 P experiences in Billboard at all, I can only attribute that to perhaps her choice of girls with whom she "rewards" by being nicer to them (the ones who get many happy return and repeat customers after being barfined by them), her general view of how both she AND the girls can make a lot more money by being persistent, focused and more diligent about their job rather than lazily skating just to make enough to get by tonight and that she imparts that general view to the girls where other mamasans don't even bother.
I don't mean to overly praise her. Or to praise her at all. Maybe my recent P4 P results at Billboard would be even better if she weren't there. But it might also be that her greediness to move money and more money from the customer's pocket to her cleavage pocket carries over to her stated expected results with the girls; meaning to do in the room what they agreed to do in the bar, do it with the right attitude and they will make more money, too. No way for me to know, really. But I will say this. If she gets fired from Billboard, I will certainly want to know where she is working next because I WILL be paying a visit there after 2-3 weeks to see how those girls are behaving with me in the room, too.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2160222]
Eih, I think you just mention a strange co-incidence in a way. It should be more a comment in the changes in the quality of the girls. I have only BFed one girl at BB, which had nothing whatsoever to do with the mamasan, and she was just great. I paid the BF to gay boy (mamasan), avoiding the fat one.
[/QUOTE]Yes, Syz, as you can see now in my reply to Natty that I was composing while you posted this, my much improved P4P experiences in Billboard since the fat bad mamasan started working there has nothing whatsoever to do with me interacting with her, appearing to know her, being friendly with her, buying her drinks, tipping her in front of the girls or anything like that. I don't think I have even paid the barfine to that mamasan since she started working there. But it still could have something to do with that mamasan's particular style in handling her girls at her bar. After all, SHE wants customers to return to that bar happy as clams about barfining another girl or repeating with one and possibly slipping a tip into her cleavage pocket along the way as well.
Thanks for the help. So Billboard and Crazy HOuse is what I will keep in mind for the night.
Any specifics for.
Russians Europeans Uz Stripteases.
Lesbian play.
Soapy massage.
Voyeurism.
Nuru massage.
Bondage.
As shared earlier, I just wish to experience them and not over spend. Hence do suggest budget places which provide decent above experience.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2160074]Billboard and Crazy House and a few others are good for getting a girl to gyrate sitting on your lap (in Crazy that is completely nude), however post 2 am is too late. Most bars are closing at 2 am, and some days when police around closing at 1 am.
9 pm is the perfect time to attend. You will have to buy drinks for the girl.
If you don't want sex, the best thing to do at 2am is go to sleep, or call an all night massage place to send a girl to you, but that will cost you the same as taking sex most likely (I never tried so I don't know if any sexy girls want to do late massage for cheap price - doubtful).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2160231]Yes, Syz, as you can see now in my reply to Natty that I was composing while you posted this, my much improved P4P experiences in Billboard since the fat bad mamasan started working there has nothing whatsoever to do with me interacting with her, appearing to know her, being friendly with her, buying her drinks, tipping her in front of the girls or anything like that. I don't think I have even paid the barfine to that mamasan since she started working there. But it still could have something to do with that mamasan's particular style in handling her girls at her bar. After all, SHE wants customers to return to that bar happy as clams about barfining another girl or repeating with one and possibly slipping a tip into her cleavage pocket along the way as well.[/QUOTE]I am sure girls are scared of her. Is that a good thing? Maybe. I can see she might be very strict. I just personally do not wish to deal with her at all. I prefer a nice mamasan. A one time a waitress at Doll House was promoted to be the new mamasan. She was just lovely (personality not beauty). She replaced an irritating "suck" mamasan. Was that good for discipline in the bar? Maybe not.
Would be nice to have a mamasan not too pushy with the customers but managing the girls well (moderately strictly). LOL I do like that girls at Billboard seem to be trained to be not pushy with the customer, even if the mamasan is. Girls did not seem to approach me much in Billboard, except one occasion a very drunk one was pushy, despite my total lack of interest. Can get pushy girls at any bar, but Bunnies seemed to have quite a lot approaching while not called for. I try to be an expert at being total dead pan and disinterested when any girl tries to attract my attention, especially refusing to make eye contact tends to give them the message of total disinterest very quickly. This means I have to be impolite and unfriendly to avoid unwanted girls.
Many times I have witnessed guys unable to get rid of girls that approach, simply because they are too weak, too polite, and unable to turn on the "fuck off" switch. I don't mean we need to actually say "fuck off". My manner speaks louder than words. This is what I refer to as letting the girl choose the guy. May get a good one or may get a rip off girl. I always get mystified by a guy complaining that no girls approached him. LOL I love that when no one approaches (unless definitely called for). I can give a girl a signal very easily if I want her to approach, or even go to her if she is too shy to look around and notice me. Can't be too timid, but I take time to decide if I like the girl or not, and she is the preferred girl. I don't want even the superior ones to come at me too fast. Last night I chatted to two girls at Billboard, concurrently. In both cases gave them the signal of interest. I have to be very guarded though, not to show any interest too prematurely, when there are so many good looking candidates.
I have to appreciate other guys are different and any good looking girl will do, where I am more like trying to rate the girls beauty and chances to be really fun and sweet. Which girl will get the top rating for the bar or be runner up. I want to get the best I can get, compromise of beauty and attitude, and go to heaven. There is the big fear on choosing wrong and missing out on the best girl, or one of the best. 52 was really stunning for me, yet after talking to her, she came across as hyper and inattentive rather than sweet and lovey dovey, so I thought definitely a risky choice. She knew she was hot at one time saying her name was "Barbie" (her body was Barbie like even if only A-cups). Clearly was not going to get a tongue kiss out of her in the bar. LOL Meanwhile I could see 918 nearby reacting much better with her customer, very attentively. She was also very pretty for me in a less exotic way, possibly slightly bigger boobs on model body. These are the difficulties of choosing. Things may have been very different if called 918 earlier when she was available (initially she seemed a bit deadpan on the stage but this is not a bad sign when girls are a bit bored).
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2160239]I am sure girls are scared of her. Is that a good thing? Maybe. I can see she might be very strict. I just personally do not wish to deal with her at all. I prefer a nice mamasan. A one time a waitress at Doll House was promoted to be the new mamasan. She was just lovely (personality not beauty). She replaced an irritating "suck" mamasan. Was that good for discipline in the bar? Maybe not.[/QUOTE]I believe the difference in how girls generally treat their customers re barfines and P4 P, well perhaps everything, has very much to do with what the mamasan or whoever is the voice of authority in the place actually TELLS them it is their job to do. I know that sounds simplistic. And I realize this is Thailand and not the Philippines. But let me relate a story about what I learned in Angeles City, the Philippines a couple of decades ago. And, yes, that was some time ago. But there and here are at least both Asian P4 P bar destinations and some things are still baked in the culture even after a few years.
There was a time when a big transition was happening in the Angeles City go-go bar venues. Many farang bar owners decided they would start moving away from a barfine-centric business model to a Lady Drink sales business model. They actually didn't want their girls to go on barfines, wanted them to stay in the bar and continue hustling Lady Drinks all night. And the girls could make an ok income from all those Lady Drink commissions. This idea was and still is wherever it is tried very bad for punters looking to get well laid and blown, of course.
However, SOME of the farang owned bars still had girls who didn't seem to give a damn about earning commissions on Lady Drinks and seemed perfectly happy being taken out by the customers for those famous "all-inclusive" Angeles City LTs where you pay everything upfront and off you go with your girl (not a big fan of that pay-upfront deal either, BTW. But I digress). Well, I had gotten to know some of the farang bar owners and their farang bar managers pretty well in Angeles City during that time and I had to ask, "Why are your girls still interested in barfine take-outs and almost never disappoint while girls in other bars are more interested in hustling Lady Drinks and not going on a take-out?" I also asked the same question but in reverse of the farang bar owners and farang bar managers of the bars where the girls were stuck on hustling Lady Drinks but not on going to the room with the customers and not likely to give very good service even if they did.
Had they been very selective about which kinds of girls were recruited for their bars?
Had they just happened to get a string of very bold and horny girls working in some bars but too shy girls working in others?
Were they paying less of a Lady Drink commission and allowing the girl to keep some of the barfine paid to the bar in some bars but vice versa in others?
What was the answer to this mystery?
Here was the answer; Each bar owner told the mamasan which way they wanted their girls to go, the mamasan told the girls what their job was in this particular bar and, by god, that is what they did. Just as simple as that. The girls who were told their job at this establishment was to sell Lady Drinks and not be too interested in going barfine, DID THAT. The girls who were told their job at this establishment was to do right by men who want to take them to the room and not to be so concerned about selling Lady Drinks, DID THAT.
So that is why I said in an earlier post that it probably wouldn't require much effort for a Thai mamasan to totally change the direction many if not most of the girls go in a bar IF she just gave a damn and told them what she expected of them at the get-go. The girls will see that as THEIR JOB and try to comply. I don't think a mamasan has to be really mean about it. Just, for the love of god, SAY SOMETHING in this regard to their girls and most will probably be inclined to honor that request. Maybe that is what the greedy, fat mamasan in Billboard does in the bars she works in. And maybe she takes it a little too far sometimes and gets so pushy about it the girls flee and then she gets canned. But in the meantime, there might be a period of time where things are in a somewhat proper balance and the girls will at least be vaguely INCLINED to see their job as following the directive of the mamasan.
That is, IF the mamasan has bothered to express a directive to her girls at all, especially regading P4P and barfines, other than don't come in late, don't chat on your phone so much, don't sit outside eating noodles too long, etc. I am almost positive most Thai mamasans don't say ANYTHING to their girls about what their job is with regard to the P4 P part of it. Not seriously tell them, I mean. There is no guidance from a voice of authority for it. So it is left up to each girl to decide where the fast buck and escape route is right this minute each time.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2160278]I believe the difference in how girls generally treat their customers re barfines and P4 P, well perhaps everything, has very much to do with what the mamasan or whoever is the voice of authority in the place actually TELLS them it is their job to do. [/QUOTE]This is absolutely accurate. The mamasans teach these girls how to behave. The places with the good mamasans have the girls who provide the best service. I spend most of my time in Jakarta and the mamasans at places like Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel are absolute crap. But there are places where the mamasans teach the girls properly and the girls give good service. Those are the places I go.
As an extreme, look at Eden Club. Those girls are well trained and provide great service. Places like Baccara are just the opposite. Poor service for the most part.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2159818]You did not mention if she takes it BB up the ass. That would definitely decide it. LOL.[/QUOTE]You will have to give her a try to find out the answer to that one. (I know you want to.).
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2160293]This is absolutely accurate. The mamasans teach these girls how to behave. The places with the good mamasans have the girls who provide the best service. I spend most of my time in Jakarta and the mamasans at places like Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel are absolute crap. But there are places where the mamasans teach the girls properly and the girls give good service. Those are the places I go.
As an extreme, look at Eden Club. Those girls are well trained and provide great service. Places like Baccara are just the opposite. Poor service for the most part.[/QUOTE]With the growth of agency gals the mamasan's role has diminished considerably. Agency gals can switch bars every 10 days if they want to. They are far more accountable to their "agent" then they are to the bar. If they don't like a situation; they move on. Yes, the mamasan does set a certain tone, but she does not carry the same weight that she used to before the agencies.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2160222]To Natty, yes it's the same mamasan, for sure. Often other staff in the bar dislike her too. Always pushy for drinks and tips, which is why I did my best to avoid her. Once you buy a mamasan a drink, she will start returning often like flies. She would also push the girls into asking for a drink for the mamasan.
[/QUOTE]Syzygies, for whatever it is worth, the fat CH Mamasan's name is Tang and despite her proclivity to ask for drinks & tips, I have a pretty good relationship with her. On the other hand, CH used to have another mamasan; a thin, nasty, old mamasan that I absolutely hated and avoided doing business with at all costs. I even wrote up a report on her back in 2015:
[i]"That old, scraggy hag in Crazy House ruined it for me one night. There I was chatting and getting acquainted with a very attractive young girl in CH. Now let it be said that I am a regular paying customer who has barfined many girls out of CH and this thin, scraggy, old Mamasan knew it. She knew me! So, I am with a girl and we are getting acquainted. Everything is going alone fine. I had bought us a round of drinks. She was sitting on my lap massaging my dick with her ass and my hands were wrapped underneath her bath robe around her beautiful round natural breasts. Then this scraggy Mamasan comes by and abruptly asked if I was going to barfine the girl. I said something like, "I am thinking about it, but I want to take my time. Leave us alone so I can talk to her (the girl)." But then scraggy mamasan suddenly shouted out a sharp command and the girl obediently got up and walked away without even a look back at me. I was astonished and at a loss at first. Then as it sunk in what had just happened, I WAS REAL PISSED OFF! So I stood up and said "What the Fuck" a couple of times real loud so the mamasan could hear me, but I then kept my cool after that. I could see the girl was now sitting quietly alone by herself over in the corner with a bewildered look on her face. She was too embarrassed to look my way for more than a second or two. I asked for my tab, paid it and stormed out and walked over to Baccara. What BS!
And I did not go back to CH for over a week. I only went back because my favorite regular girl there had Lined me asking me where I was and that she missed me. I was beginning to miss her too, so I went back that night to hook up with Apple. I saw the young cutie I had been romancing the week before and gave her a forlorn "What Happened" look. She acknowledged it plaintively. She was dancing topless on stage and I reconfirmed to myself that She was indeed HOT! Oh well. I never got around to talking to her again this trip because Apple took up most of my CH time. Apple is a great gal and she loves to party. The nasty skinny, old mamasan saw me playing around with Apple on several of these subsequent occasions, drinking Tequila shots, licking lime off Apple's nipples, etc. and barfining her. I always gave that mamasan a cold look and she knew to keep her distance. She will never get any drink tips from me. LOL. But at the same time, I am not going to go to war with her either because I do like the CH girls and plan to go back. So despite this one bad night, I still think CH is a very good Go Go. My advice here is to have as little as possible to do with that scraggy, old mamasan. She is a bad one."[/i]
Needless to say, I was not sad when I heard that the scraggy, old mamasan had left CH the following year. Good riddance. But cock blocked in my favorite bar! It's unbelievable!
Was in Billboard yesterday and the line up was fairly decent. It has been a while since I came here but from comparison to my last trip there seem to be a drop in the customers at Nana. Is that so or was I there too early 9-11 pm. I did not take anyone from there and just got around my business drinking but did not get pushed to take one. Some girls came over asking to be seated by I simply said nah and they moved on. What confused me is whether you can ask for a lady that you like to be brought to you since the waiters did not push or ask me to do so?
I will be going there sometime this week as I particularly fancied number 854. Was trying to search for 836 as reported here earlier but could not find her. Does she partake in the tub area? I failed to go to this section of the bar.
Was in Billboard yesterday and the line up was fairly decent. It has been a while since I came here but from comparison to my last trip there seem to be a drop in the customers at Nana. Is that so or was I there too early 9-11 pm. I did not take anyone from there and just got around my business drinking but did not get pushed to take one. Some girls came over asking to be seated by I simply said nah and they moved on. What confused me is whether you can ask for a lady that you like to be brought to you since the waiters did not push or ask me to do so?
I will be going there sometime this week as I particularly.
Fancied number 854. Was trying to search for 836 as reported here earlier but could not find her. Does she partake in the tub area? I failed to go to this section of the bar.
[QUOTE=Sum12;2160334] Was trying to search for 836 as reported here earlier but could not find her. Does she partake in the tub area? I failed to go to this section of the bar.[/QUOTE]Look on the board that most clubs have indicating which girls are still in the bar. Failing that, just ask the mamasan.
[QUOTE=Sum12;2160334]Was in Billboard yesterday and the line up was fairly decent. It has been a while since I came here but from comparison to my last trip there seem to be a drop in the customers at Nana. Is that so or was I there too early 9-11 pm.[/QUOTE]I don't know from actual data whether the number of customers in Nana Plaza are down. But I have definitely noticed that many tourists who approached the entrance of Nana Plaza while that canopy construction was going on and the barriers (fencing) around the cleared out central outdoor bar area below the canopy construction were in place just looked inside from the sidewalk on Soi 4 and turned around and moved on without entering. So that must have been dragging the numbers of patrons in the go-go bars down for the past few weeks.
BTW, I noticed that tonight, Friday night, the barriers (fencing) were down and that central outdoor bar area below the new canopy was open and could be walked across now for the first time in weeks, although not yet reopened fully for business with the bar, tables and stools returned.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2160326]Syzygies, for whatever it is worth, the fat CH Mamasan's name is Tang[/QUOTE]Wang Dang Sweet Poon Tang.
Long time lurker, with about 15 trips to Thailand over the past 20 years. Believe it or not, my first intro into the scene was by Stickman and the old Nanaplaza Board. Reading all the newbie mongering questions makes me feel old, as do memories of 40 baht to the buck.
Age is catching up to me so my mongering ideas have evolved. I haven't been to a go go other than Crazy House in 5 years and I can't remember the last bar fine I have paid LOL. My last trip in 2016 (4 months) I either had a TF real GF, or BJ bars or other disco freelancer. I have always had good luck at Thermae. If I may say so, I have had some pretty hot babes too. I'm a photographer, and I look respectable so even with my advanced years I can grab 22 year old shopgirls.
But regardless, I get plenty of pussy and know my way around the scene. But my questions are for you expats on the ground. As I am getting ready for a 6 to 9 moth stay starting in October.
1. My last trip (4 months) I stayed in a decent place (15 k) near Ekkami BTS. It was nice because it was far enough away from Falangville but still allowed me access to the whole city. I didn't like the pool setup though, and pools are important to my mongering style. I have been looking at places near Victory Mon and near Lumpini. I'd like to be a Klick or less from BTS / MRT. Thoughts as to neighborhood? I am mostly a day guy. So a taxi ever few days at night won't kill me, and I won't go to RCA unless I have a pu ying to beat on those rip off taxi drivers who try to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] ya for 3 x the fare.
2. I like spas. I want to soak, get scrubbed down and massaged and then get a BJ. Or vice versa. I have had great spa services in this place about 200 m on the right on Sois Thong Lor (from Suk) but no sex. Then I used to hit this one place on Soi 36 for a shitty massage and bath but good sex. Right now the bath part is a priotiy.
3. I liked Crazy House simply because it seemed, back then, that it was less touristy. I can't stand Nana Plaza any more and only venture down there to people watch or vermin view. Is Crazy House still cool just to hang and have a beer or two? I don't buy lady drinks as a rule unless I am buying pussy and I usually don't do that at GoGos.
4. Last night last trip I was blasted drunk and ended up with take out from a Thai Club in Thon Buri thanks to an English speaking taxi driver who I'm sure got a fat tip.
Don't remember anything g other that cheap and hot. Anybody here know places like that!
Look forward to the reports and hope to meet some of you guys in the coming months.
Just got back from Nana and it's 2 am now. Headed there around 10:30 and straight to Billboard which was overflowing with customers. Sat there a while and realised all the hotties were taken. Then headed to Twisters. Realised it does not have many stunners but decent line up. As I was getting ready to leave 406 came over. She looked decent and as I was in need to relieve myself I told her to stay. Suddenly she invited her friend over and begged me for lady drinks. I just went with the flow and said ok. Soon enough I see the old hack tequila and coke so that makes 4 drinks. Was kind of pissed but she was grinding on me and I was hard so didn't complain. Once the drinks finished she asked for round 2 drinks. I said for you fine for 1 drink but not for your friend. She said something to her friend who then left. When the drinks arrived it was the same again tequila and coke. Pissed off but I thought I would take it out while banging her. Then another scam. Quoted 3000 for ST and 1000 barfine. I laughed and said are you kidding me but she did not budge. It was past 12 so I said what the heck and took her. I know sorry guys. Banged her but sadly did not last long as the 003 condoms proved too tight and I came within a minute. Now I was super pissed with my self mostly. Well the good things is now I know not to visit twisters and should just stick to billboard in Nana.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2160831]3. I liked Crazy House simply because it seemed, back then, that it was less touristy. I can't stand Nana Plaza any more and only venture down there to people watch or vermin view. Is Crazy House still cool just to hang and have a beer or two? I don't buy lady drinks as a rule unless I am buying pussy and I usually don't do that at GoGos.[/QUOTE]I'm not 100% on what Crazy House was from when you're remembering it, but the last few times I was there this year (always on the weekend), it was always packed to the gills, at least on the first floor. I can't say I'd ever treat crazy house as a place to hang, I'd almost take the 2nd floor of Bacarra (in the back, if you're familiar) before CH, but that's probably just because I'm familiar with the staff. I really don't know what you mean by Touristy, the place is always packed with pale foreigners like yours truly and Asians, who tend to be tourists. Still has a bunch of lookers, though; I've never been disappointed with CH from that angle. Nana isn't really that bad, either. Depending on the night and what time of night you're there, (it really seems completely random at this point) Billboard has just as many lookers as CH, and I enjoy people watching on the elevated benches, particularly the second level near the bar, since it has a perfect view of both the carousel and the. What is it, a jacuzzi, just a hot tub? I don't know what the word for it is.
Same on the mostly lurking thing. I'm about to have my. What. Twelfth trip over in a couple weeks, but I always forget to bloody post here. LOL.
To piggyback on the recent convo between Syzygies and EihTooms about Billboard and Butterflies, I was in Bangkok for a night about 3 weeks ago and had the pleasure of visiting the two. I enjoyed them both and ended up barfining two from Butterflies.
After having spent 5 nights in Pattaya, and then a break in Singapore to wind down, I was in Bangkok for a night before my flight home the next day. Wanting to get in one more hoorah for the road I checked out Nana Plaza a little after 9 pm since it was close to my hotel and I had only been there once in my last 3 visits to Bangkok. I poked my head into a few bars on floors one and two but didn't find anything to get my attention among the bars I looked into. I do remember going into Spanky's, and although it looked promising I didn't stay and decided to try some other places. As to why I left so soon, I can't tell you why. I went into Billboard and the place was packed! I was actually impressed the waitress found an empty seat for me in front of the tub. I quickly realized that sitting in front of the tub was limiting my ability to see many of the girls as the same ones stayed in the tub of which I didn't care for any. Also, from my vantage point it was difficult to see the numbers of the girls on the stage in front of the tub or on the other stage over to my right. Still, from what I could see there were some attractive girls in there, and as mentioned, just about all seemed natural which was a huge plus. After about 30 minutes and a couple drinks I figured I would go checkout some other bars and come back to Billboard later if no other bars appealed to me. Overall, I liked Billboard and definitely will repeat visiting; I will just make sure I get seated in a different spot that's more advantageous to me next time.
Next, I walked over to Butterflies and went inside. I just got this good vibe when I went in there, from the girls standing outside to lure me in, to the waitress that seated me. It wasn't so crowded and although the lineup was not like in Billboard it still was good enough to make me want to stay. The waitress seated me on one of the sofas in front of the stage which was a huge plus and it gave me a good view of the action. After about 10 minutes of checking out the ladies, this cute girl ends up on the stage in front of me and has some nice, juicy C cups, a nice ass, and just a body I am digging. I like how she's dancing to the music and it gives me a good feeling about how she might fuck. She sees I am checking her out and starts making even more sexy moves. Apparently the waitress was noticing too as she handed me a menu that explains the lady drink structure. There's a lady drink option where you can have the girl come down from the stage immediately and stay with you until her next time on stage or an option where you have her come over when she comes off stage and stay until it's her time to go back up. I choose the option to have her come to me immediately. I tell her bring me another Red Bull and number 19. Her name is Ploy and she has a really cool attitude in addition to a nice body. She comes over, sits on my lap, and I tell her to order what she wants. She ended up asking for two lady drinks and I tell her to go for it. Next thing she's grinding on me and I have my hands full of her ass, tits, and occasionally giving a rub on her pussy. Oh Yeah, this one is going to be my last hoorah before I have to leave Bangkok tomorrow.
So, here is where it gets interesting. I am sitting there rock hard feeling up Ploy while she's grinding on me and next thing I realize someone has their hands up my shorts and is stroking my dick! Ploy is more to my right side but the hands on my dick are coming from the left side, WTF! I turn to the left and there are two more girls that have come over, one is now sitting on my left side and the other is right in front of her. I am thinking how in the world did I not notice this? I must really be slipping. For a very brief moment I think I need to tell her to get up but then after looking at her, she has the looks and body like a chick I once worked with that I would have loved to have fucked. She can stay. Turns out she's number 205 and her name is Mod. Now I am thinking it's my last night in Bangkok for a while so I may as well Go Big because I am going home tomorrow. I let the waitress know that I am going to make sure number 19 and number 205 are not going back up on stage so get them whatever they want. After about a good 15 - 20 more minutes of feeling all over both Mod and Ploy and buying drinks for the three of us, along with letting who I suspect was the mamasan along with some other girls from whence I don't know where they came, know that I was only buying drinks for Mod and Ploy I decided it was time make some moves. The barfine was 700 for each of them and they both wanted 3000ST. Sold, bring me the tab so I can pay up and let's roll. Total damage to the bar including the barfine for the two of them ended up being a little over 2700 baht. Not bad, as I was expecting it to be more. They go change into their street clothes and we head out to go get something to eat before heading to the room. We ended up eating at nice little restaurant that I will have to visit on my next trip, if not because the food was good but so I can also hit on the server there because I would love to fuck her too. I was giving her the eye, flirting with her, and she wasn't shying away so she might be game. Only in Thailand, you have two girls with you already and can flirt with a third.
If I were going to leave Thailand on a high note, Mod and Ploy made that happen. Once we got back to my hotel room it was on. I don't think I could have asked to have two more lively and fun girls than the two of them. There was plenty of DFK with both of them and I really like how playful the two of them were while all three of us were together, from the bar to the restaurant to the hotel room to when I was fucking them and all the times in between. Neither one disappointed at all and was ready and willing for everything I wanted to do. Both of those girls could fuck well and had good BBBJ skills. I went through half a dozen condoms switching between fucking the two of them. With both of them there was plenty of mish, spread eagle, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, doggie, spooning, anvil, putting the pillow under their hips while having them lay face down on the bed, and what I liked a lot which was switching up DFKing one while fucking the other. I never thought a dilemma I would ever have would turn out to be which girl I want to blow my load in but it's a good dilemma to have. Ploy ended up winning out. The two of them made for a great way to end a trip to Thailand.
I still want to get some girls out of Billboard as I just got a good feeling about that place too. I'll get them on the next go around.
[QUOTE=Sum12;2160900]Just got back from Nana and it's 2 am now. Now I was super pissed with my self mostly. Well the good things is now I know not to visit twisters and should just stick to billboard in Nana.[/QUOTE]You went through a series of scams fully aware they were scams. So not much reason to be pissed, even with yourself.
I would have left at the first "double single LD".
We wonder how girls make their quota. Now we know how.
Your money of course.
I am sure you have not been inflating the ST prices, anyhow, as everynight there is people paying those prices.
The norm for those girls. If somebody steps back, surely another guy is lined up already.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2161209]
I am sure you have not been inflating the ST prices, anyhow, as everynight there is people paying those prices.
The norm for those girls. If somebody steps back, surely another guy is lined up already.[/QUOTE]3000 baht short time is the "norm"? I don't think I have ever paid 3000 baht for a short time. 2000 or 2500 is the norm.
[QUOTE=Margaya;2157919]Saturday night was very busy at Baccara and noticed that they too have started members only BS. Not sure it is only on weekends or not. Can someone please confirm and also let me know if this is same in Baccara at Pattaya?
They were also guiding everyone to buy drinks before going in.[/QUOTE]Baccara seems pretty pointless if you're not japanese. Girls will hardly take a second look at you, as they can make big buck with japanese guys in really short time, as long as they have the manga-look and can cry a bit during sex.
I don't know if this topic has been addressed on this thread but do any of the Bars or Gogo's such as Crazy House and Baccara allow customers to bring in their own bottle of liquor and charge a corkage fee for the privilege? I'm asking because I'll be in Bangkok and Pattaya in a few weeks and I am planning on bringing with me a 1.75 L bottle of Patron Tequila which I'm sure they don't sell in Thailand and if they do, it would surely cost an arm and a leg. Every year I bring the same size bottle of Patron with me whenever I go to Angeles City in the Philippines. The bars there charge me a reasonable P500 ($10) corkage fee which includes 4 small cans of mixers. I always opt for 2 cans each of Pineapple and Mango juice.
Can anyone address my inquiry as to whether or not the bars and Gogo's allow customers to bring in outside bottle and charge a corkage fee? And if they do allow, how much is the corkage fee?
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2161365]3000 baht short time is the "norm"? I don't think I have ever paid 3000 baht for a short time. 2000 or 2500 is the norm.[/QUOTE]I meant In their mind when approaching a farang at the bar.
Over 80%of customers are surly happy to pay the requested money, especially if listed in a laminated menu, making it official (it doesn't mean it is).
Don't count the "regular ISG momgers as customer base".
We are a tiny minority.
[QUOTE=Sum12;2160900]Then headed to Twisters. Realised it does not have many stunners but decent line up. [/QUOTE]In my experience, it's best to get to Twisters early, as the best girls can go quickly. Check it out from 8:30 - 9:30.
[QUOTE=NiteOwl;2161110]To piggyback on the recent convo between Syzygies and EihTooms about Billboard and Butterflies, I was in Bangkok for a night about 3 weeks ago and had the pleasure of visiting the two. I enjoyed them both and ended up barfining two from Butterflies.[/QUOTE]Strong post. Kudos.
Flew into Bangkok from phuket yesterday, skipped phuket early, didn't care for the scene. Sent a chat to a gogo girl from last year and she met me for dinner with some friends. The timing worked out great, she quit working in the gogo to go home but was still in town. No barfine needed. Took her out drinking with us then back to the room for six rounds. It's been almost 23 hours and she's still naked in my bed, no money discussed. Might keep her another night, hope I don't end up breaking her.
[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2161386]Baccara seems pretty pointless if you're not japanese. Girls will hardly take a second look at you, as they can make big buck with japanese guys in really short time, as long as they have the manga-look and can cry a bit during sex.[/QUOTE]I've recommended this before and people thought I was joking. But these work like a charm.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2161552]Flew into Bangkok from phuket yesterday, skipped phuket early, didn't care for the scene. Sent a chat to a gogo girl from last year and she met me for dinner with some friends. The timing worked out great, she quit working in the gogo to go home but was still in town. No barfine needed. Took her out drinking with us then back to the room for six rounds. It's been almost 23 hours and she's still naked in my bed, no money discussed. Might keep her another night, hope I don't end up breaking her.[/QUOTE]Make that seven shots and 24 hours.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2161574]Make that seven shots and 24 hours.[/QUOTE]Any specific places to experience below?
Russians Europeans Uz Stripteases.
Lesbian play.
Soapy massage. (Budget).
Voyeurism.
Nuru massage. (budget).
Bondage.
As shared earlier, I am not looking for sex but to experience few specific fantasies and don't wish to over spend. Hence do suggest budget places which provide decent above experience.
It would be great if the senior members can help with guidance.
I will have 24 hrs in Bangkok and don't think I will ever be able to travel again.
Thanks again for the help. Hope I get a quick reply.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2161365]3000 baht short time is the "norm"? I don't think I have ever paid 3000 baht for a short time. 2000 or 2500 is the norm.[/QUOTE]Quite hard to get ST below 3000 nowadays unless you are weekly or monthly regular. Or Enrique Iglesias.
[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2161386]Baccara seems pretty pointless if you're not japanese. Girls will hardly take a second look at you, as they can make big buck with japanese guys in really short time, as long as they have the manga-look and can cry a bit during sex.[/QUOTE]Baccara is a gold mine if you are Japanese (or Asian). I was there a few weeks ago. They have a good selection of pretty girls and some naturally big breasted babes as well. Japanese guys are known to be big milk connoisseurs and the girls know it. These guys put their heads on the big soft pillows and smile. Paying generously.
For western guys, like me, it's better to stick to other bars where you get nicer service. You can't have everything, even in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2161574]Make that seven shots and 24 hours.[/QUOTE]I don't think I will ever have a chance to visit this place again.
Any help will be appreciated.
As shared earlier, not looking for sex but for specific experiences for:
Russians Europeans Uz Stripteases.
Lesbian play.
Soapy massage.
Voyeurism.
Nuru massage.
Bondage.
As shared earlier, I just wish to experience them and not over spend. Hence do suggest budget places which provide decent above experience.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2161569]I've recommended this before and people thought I was joking. But these work like a charm.[/QUOTE]I generally refrain from posting unless I have something worthwhile to contribute or have some genuine query that has not been asked / answered before. But, this deserves unmitigated appreciation for being a very 'unique' idea. Kudos to you sir for putting it out there.
[QUOTE=SoBePinoy;2161387]
Can anyone address my inquiry as to whether or not the bars and Gogo's allow customers to bring in outside bottle and charge a corkage fee? And if they do allow, how much is the corkage fee? [/QUOTE]I'm obviously guessing but there is no chance a pattaya gogo bar will allow this unless you continue paying full price for every shot you and your girls drink. Assuming same applies to Bangkok gogo bars.
Most gogo bars give very weak 'tequila'. I've seen a few girls drink over 30 in a night. The record for one gogo girl I have seen is over 60 shots.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2161569]I've recommended this before and people thought I was joking. But these work like a charm.[/QUOTE]Haha, that's the ultimate Baccara fun kit.
[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2161668]Baccara is a gold mine if you are Japanese (or Asian). I was there a few weeks ago. They have a good selection of pretty girls and some naturally big breasted babes as well. Japanese guys are known to be big milk connoisseurs and the girls know it. These guys put their heads on the big soft pillows and smile. Paying generously.
For western guys, like me, it's better to stick to other bars where you get nicer service. You can't have everything, even in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Yeah, couldn't agree more. Had an interesting conversation with a girl at CH. She was pretty good looking, nice firm body and all. But she told me somehow Japanese customers just wasn't into her. She wasn't particularly into them either, but her friends kept getting pretty generous tips from their Japanese customer.
In any case I've spent like most of an evening in Baccara getting completely ignored. Oddly, my friend who look (and dress like) a 6 1/2 foot lumberjack couldn't have a single moment to himself. They were literally crawling on him. He is as far from an Asian as you can possibly be. Strange.
[QUOTE=Markly2;2157305]I would like to indulge in some BBFS as I can feel almost nothing with a condom. What section of girls are more likely to accept this? GoGo girls, Bar girls or freelancers? Is it rare for this to be accepted or quite common if you ask? Any feedback would be gratefully appreciated.[/QUOTE]I hope you think this through and though I feel your pain, do not venture into this blindly.
I was looking forward to seeing a freelancer I had met on Tinder. Spent time with her previously. Was looking to spend time with her again.
Had myself tested at hospital. Gave her a test in my room with Oraquik. Came back clearly double lined. I had a serious WTF moment.
Had her retake the test. I also took one myself (really more for her sake than mine, hoping against reality that this batch was somehow defective).
20 minutes later. You see the results. Her original one is furthest to right. The 2nd time. Hers is on left. Mine on right.
I feel awful. One in a selfish sense because the woman is simply fantastic in bed. But I feel far more badly for her. I told her she needs to go see a doctor tomorrow and get herself tested.
I didn't have sex with her, but paid her fully what I would have and gave her a little extra to go see the doctor tomorrow.
The harsh reality of places like Bangkok (and Pattaya etc) is that the pros, especially the older ones, have seen miles and mile of dick and even though odds of individual transmission for a woman is 1 in 2000 and for a man 1 in 4000... it's either super bad luck and just too many miles of dick (or both)
[QUOTE=SoBePinoy;2161387]I don't know if this topic has been addressed on this thread but do any of the Bars or Gogo's such as Crazy House and Baccara allow customers to bring in their own bottle of liquor and charge a corkage fee for the privilege? I'm asking because I'll be in Bangkok and Pattaya in a few weeks and I am planning on bringing with me a 1.75 L bottle of Patron Tequila which I'm sure they don't sell in Thailand and if they do, it would surely cost an arm and a leg. Every year I bring the same size bottle of Patron with me whenever I go to Angeles City in the Philippines. The bars there charge me a reasonable P500 ($10) corkage fee which includes 4 small cans of mixers. I always opt for 2 cans each of Pineapple and Mango juice.
Can anyone address my inquiry as to whether or not the bars and Gogo's allow customers to bring in outside bottle and charge a corkage fee? And if they do allow, how much is the corkage fee?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I don't think that you can bring your own drink in Crazy House or Baccara. You might try other gogo bars though.
[QUOTE=Catire;2161876]I hope you think this through and though I feel your pain, do not venture into this blindly.
I was looking forward to seeing a freelancer I had met on Tinder. Spent time with her previously. Was looking to spend time with her again.
Had myself tested at hospital. Gave her a test in my room with Oraquik. Came back clearly double lined. I had a serious WTF moment.
Had her retake the test. I also took one myself (really more for her sake than mine, hoping against reality that this batch was somehow defective).
20 minutes later. You see the results. Her original one is furthest to right. The 2nd time. Hers is on left. Mine on right.
I feel awful. One in a selfish sense because the woman is simply fantastic in bed. But I feel far more badly for her. I told her she needs to go see a doctor tomorrow and get herself tested.
I didn't have sex with her, but paid her fully what I would have and gave her a little extra to go see the doctor tomorrow.
The harsh reality of places like Bangkok (and Pattaya etc) is that the pros, especially the older ones, have seen miles and mile of dick and even though odds of individual transmission for a woman is 1 in 2000 and for a man 1 in 4000... it's either super bad luck and just too many miles of dick (or both)[/QUOTE]Don't 3 of those tests cost about $100 usd?
[QUOTE=Catire;2161876]20 minutes later. You see the results. Her original one is furthest to right. The 2nd time. Hers is on left. Mine on right.[/QUOTE]The one furthest to the left seems to have 3 lines. That could mean it is to be discarded.
[QUOTE=Forpiyshjain;2161671]I don't think I will ever have a chance to visit this place again.
Any help will be appreciated.
As shared earlier, not looking for sex but for specific experiences for:
Russians Europeans Uz Stripteases.
Lesbian play.
Soapy massage.
Voyeurism.
Nuru massage.
Bondage.
As shared earlier, I just wish to experience them and not over spend. Hence do suggest budget places which provide decent above experience.[/QUOTE]Anything else? Ice in the coke? Sugar in your cup of tea?
RTFF is served 7/24 here, feel free to take advantage of.
[QUOTE=XXL;2161970]The one furthest to the left seems to have 3 lines. That could mean it is to be discarded.[/QUOTE]Perhaps an illusion. From the photo angle. It had two. So did other.
Yes, these puppies are expensive, and they seem to have gotten even more so recently (in the US).
A clinic in BKK will charge 400 baht and get results in 20 minutes or less. Better option, though this obviously has to be preplanned and you cannot just test your takeout girl in the middle of the night.
[QUOTE=Catire;2161876]I hope you think this through and though I feel your pain, do not venture into this blindly.
I was looking forward to seeing a freelancer I had met on Tinder. Spent time with her previously. Was looking to spend time with her again.
Had myself tested at hospital. Gave her a test in my room with Oraquik. Came back clearly double lined. I had a serious WTF moment.
Had her retake the test. I also took one myself (really more for her sake than mine, hoping against reality that this batch was somehow defective).
20 minutes later. You see the results. Her original one is furthest to right. The 2nd time. Hers is on left. Mine on right.
I feel awful. One in a selfish sense because the woman is simply fantastic in bed. But I feel far more badly for her. I told her she needs to go see a doctor tomorrow and get herself tested.
I didn't have sex with her, but paid her fully what I would have and gave her a little extra to go see the doctor tomorrow.
The harsh reality of places like Bangkok (and Pattaya etc) is that the pros, especially the older ones, have seen miles and mile of dick and even though odds of individual transmission for a woman is 1 in 2000 and for a man 1 in 4000... it's either super bad luck and just too many miles of dick (or both)[/QUOTE]I was reading that risk for a woman in vaginal sex with HIV positive man is about 1 in 1250. This is higher than for HIV man being treated. For the man the risk is said to be about 50% of that, e.g. 1 in 2500 (lower if circumsized), similar to risk of performing felatio. DATY should be significantly lower and hard to get numbers. Man not circumsized doing BB anal has a much higher risk, and sharing needles is probably the most risky of all.
I would not like to see the girl take the Oraquick result too seriously. Treat is as an indicator to get the better tests done. She can get the proper blood test cheaply and quickly at Red Cross. The full "all clear" from very sensitive "amplification test" follow-up takes a few days though.
I would not mind betting that the Red Cross would probably laugh at the OraQuick test (perhaps scoff is the better word), holding it in some contempt. Especially as combined with unreliable, it is also vastly more expensive. Is Oraqucik a complete waste of money? I can't answer that. If I was Catire, I would have attempted to take the girl to Red Cross, although would be up to her if she was willing to share the result. Unwilling would indicate a likely positive, and prove OraQuick sometimes appears to work. If negative, would learn that OraQuick is not to be trusted, and maybe not waste more money.
If I was doing any girl regularly BB, I would want to swap result reports with her, every so often (maybe 3 months). It's no guarantee, but an odds reducer, given we don't fuck very often.
I do agree that girls who have been in the BBFS business for many years, have a much greater chance of being unlucky with one of their HIV customers. I know of one such girl aged about 45, very pretty when I first met her (best friend of my girl), and still in fairly good shape last time seen. A newbie girl just starting out, would have to be very unlucky to have caught it from BBFS. Maybe this is why BBFS guys will be choosing girls as young as they can get, and inexperienced.
Some shops/MPs have their own doctor to do tests. So using a shop girl, can be slightly less risky than free-lancers, who may well be just not getting tested at all.
Thai Buddhists have a fatalist attitude. When their time is up, it is up. So they don't have to indulge in safe practices at all. Teenagers get killed racing motorcycles or innocently get collected by a truck, no concerns about lung cancer, liver cancer, etc. Eat shitty crap food. No problem. It is also considered very bad form to mention risky things, as though the mention is likely to bring on bad luck. These are cultural stupidities. When we are due, we will die. It is that simple to many Buddhists. We can then get re-incarnated and come back in another life as a higher human or maybe as a dog or insect, or ascend to heaven, or descend to hell. LOL
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2162136]
I would not mind betting that the Red Cross would probably laugh at the OraQuick test (perhaps scoff is the better word), holding it in some contempt.[/QUOTE]I don't know about the Red Cross, but I get my tests at Bumrungrad Hospital. The doctor there seemed to think those OraQuick were pretty accurate. I use OraQuick for testing in the USA because it's such a pain in the ass getting that test done at the doctor's office in the USA. You spend more time filling out confidentiality forms than actually getting the test. Then getting the results in the USA is a royal pain in the ass as well. I've always tested negative, but they won't even tell me that over the phone, I have to physically come into the office and talk directly to the doctor (which usually requires about a hour wait in that office just to have him tell me the result was negative).
Regardless of the testing means, if I were to ever encounter a positive test, I would take it seriously and go to a different place to test again.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2162137]I don't know about the Red Cross, but I get my tests at Bumrungrad Hospital. The doctor there seemed to think those OraQuick were pretty accurate. I use OraQuick for testing in the USA because it's such a pain in the ass getting that test done at the doctor's office in the USA. You spend more time filling out confidentiality forms than actually getting the test. Then getting the results in the USA is a royal pain in the ass as well. I've always tested negative, but they won't even tell me that over the phone, I have to physically come into the office and talk directly to the doctor (which usually requires about a hour wait in that office just to have him tell me the result was negative).
Regardless of the testing means, if I were to ever encounter a positive test, I would take it seriously and go to a different place to test again.[/QUOTE]Yes of course red tape and forms takes longer than taking the blood of course. Obvious.
So use the Red Cross. Maybe 1 hour after blood extracted, for initial result printed on paper and given by a doctor. So there is some wait. Perhaps two hours in total from entering to be finished, maybe 90 minutes is possible. Followup amplification result can be a contact by phone or email a few days later. Don't have to go back just to get the negative result. It has to be a lot cheaper than the hospital and less mucking around. I have tried both ways.
Red Cross is at intersection of Ratchadamri and Sarasin (opposite NW corner of Lumphini park. Walking distance from Ratchadamri BTS 400 m).
I never get tested in home country, because I almost never fuck anyone there. LOL I prefer the streamlined Thai approach at Red Cross.
Would be interesting if there are any estimated figures for the percentage of freelance hookers being HIV positive in BKK, Pattaya, and up country. I would expect up country to be the highest. Although news cases each year were declining for many years, that would not apply to total cases. One assumes intravenous drug users and gay men still dominate the numbers.
Many years ago it was reported that a high number of innocent housewives were HIV positive contracted from their Thai husbands, who naturally had BBFS all the time. Significant numbers of Thai children losing both parents to AIDs. I would not know if parents were also drug users, but that would increase the odds very greatly.
She went to a clinic today and there they confirmed a positive test. Don't know what method / test they used. The doctor told her the results are not 100% certain yet.
(I'm guessing now they do that full super sensitive double confirmation Elisa test or whatever it is).
They will now send 2 vials of her blood to a hospital. She will see the doctor on the 5th.
She's not taking this stoically. She's confused, she's afraid. She told me she didn't want to die. She has children (at least one son). She asked me "what happened to me"? .
Poor woman.
I assured her that the medicines they have for HIV now (IF she is confirmed positive) are really advanced and she will not only live but live a fairly normal life, provided she takes her meds daily, which I suspect will be provided to her by the govt for free or at a very low cost. (because I have read they do this now in places like Thailand, they have purposefully broken several patents to do this).
Actually the risk to a woman from an infected man is more like 1 in 2000. Of course if he has huge tool, odds go up because of possible tears in tissue and blood exchange. Where the odds really get dangerous for a woman is getting buttfucked. Her odds then become as low as 1 in 400. For guys it's like 1 in 4000 vaginal with infected partner. 1 in 1500/2000 anal with infected partner.
I think if you are circumcised, that is an additional layer of protection. And a good one. (this has been well documented).
IMO what happens in a place like Thailand is too much interaction, aka fucking between men and ladyboys. Those men catch it. And pass it on to women.
The odds of regular hiv transmission are simply too low outside of Africa (where a lot of "other" factors come into play).
But it's also possible to simply be super unlucky but there isn't much to say in such circumstances. Just sadness all around. For a woman over say 30... she has probably been seeing dick and dick every night for over 10 years. If she's around 40... that's 20 years. Too many spins of the roulette wheel, even at such low low odds.
p.s. vis a vis Oraquik efficiency - it's said to be 99.1% positive in confirming negative... it's 91% something positive in confirming positive... so there's around a 10% chance for a false positive.
pps I know a guy who used Oraquik extensively when it was available in Thailand (now one cannot get it in a drug store) and he always tested his girls, he had quite the appetite... but the only one that ever tested positive for him was a girl in Cambodia.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2162136]
I do agree that girls who have been in the BBFS business for many years, have a much greater chance of being unlucky with one of their HIV customers. I know of one such girl aged about 45, very pretty when I first met her (best friend of my girl), and still in fairly good shape last time seen. A newbie girl just starting out, would have to be very unlucky to have caught it from BBFS. Maybe this is why BBFS guys will be choosing girls as young as they can get, and inexperienced.
Some shops/MPs have their own doctor to do tests. So using a shop girl, can be slightly less risky than free-lancers, who may well be just not getting tested at all.
[/QUOTE]Syzy, what is your reaction to my sense that a very sexually active party-girl in almost any big city in the USA could very well be more likely to acquire HIV sexually from an HIV-positive man (and then pass it along) than a P4P girl we would likely encounter in Bangkok?
Now that HIV tainted blood transfusions are almost non-existent in the civilized world and any drug addict with a buck to spare has probably not shared a needle in decades, it seems to me the pool of males who have the money, time and inclination to fly to South East Asia in order to pay a woman to have sex with them would not contain many if any who were gay (some might be bi-sexual) or so down on their luck and money that they need to scrounge around sharing needles with other drug addicts. And most Thai men, the HIV-positive among them, aren't likely to go trolling around the touristy red-light districts of Bangkok and pay Bangkok prices instead of elsewhere on the outskirts either.
But a very sexually active party-girl in New York City or Los Angeles (or Paris for that matter) might very well find herself in the company of an HIV-positive male ready to take his turn with her either on a whim or the easily accessible opportunity to give a woman a try in the case of a man who otherwise prefers having sex with men. The cost, time and effort for a local needle-sharing drug addict to give her a go might not even be all that prohibitive. And that same girl could then show up on a dating site or booty-call social network app looking pretty good to some of us punters here were we to encounter her on a trip to one of those cities. After all, unlike the Bangkok P4P girls, she is mostly in it for the fun and not the money. So she might actually be proactively interested in trying any and all comers.
Just a thought. I simply can't see that the P4P girls I have been with in Bangkok would have been the object of desire or curiosity very often for gay men or needle-sharing drug addicts on either side of the globe who somehow got their hands on enough travel money and free-time from panhandling to find their way to Bangkok in order to spend even more money on STs and ST rooms with Thai go-go dancers and the line up at Thermae.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2162136]I would not like to see the girl take the Oraquick result too seriously. Treat is as an indicator to get the better tests done. She can get the proper blood test cheaply and quickly at Red Cross. The full "all clear" from very sensitive "amplification test" follow-up takes a few days though.
I would not mind betting that the Red Cross would probably laugh at the OraQuick test (perhaps scoff is the better word), holding it in some contempt. Especially as combined with unreliable, it is also vastly more expensive. Is Oraqucik a complete waste of money? I can't answer that. If I was Catire, I would have attempted to take the girl to Red Cross, although would be up to her if she was willing to share the result. Unwilling would indicate a likely positive, and prove OraQuick sometimes appears to work. If negative, would learn that OraQuick is not to be trusted, and maybe not waste more money.[/QUOTE]My doc in the US uses Oraquick too, but of course blood test would be the gold standard. There was a time the HIV test fell off my blood work in my annual physical. He just did the oral swab and I got the result back in 20 minutes.
[QUOTE=Forpiyshjain;2161671]I don't think I will ever have a chance to visit this place again.
Any help will be appreciated.
As shared earlier, not looking for sex but for specific experiences for:
Russians Europeans Uz Stripteases.
Lesbian play.
Soapy massage.
Voyeurism.
Nuru massage.
Bondage.
As shared earlier, I just wish to experience them and not over spend. Hence do suggest budget places which provide decent above experience.[/QUOTE]Why is it that you can often tell the Nationality, or at least the geographical area that a poster comes from JUST by reading their posts?
Only questions. No attempt to read the forum. Never any useful info. The assumption that THEIR time is MUCH more important than anyone else.
Yes, you got it, they are from * and despite what they say you will never EVER see any useful field report from them.
I'm sure that anyone that has taken just a few minutes to RTFF will already know the answers to most or all the questions!
Hotman.
Some guy reported he was not impressed by Crazy House and how Long Gun had better girls dancing naked.
I went to check it for myself starting at Crazy House around 8. 20 pm, meaning some of the better girls maybe still have not arrived. The lineup was far from impressive for a bar that used to have some pretty girls. A few of the girls had okay Slim bodies and okay Tits, mostly small, since majority of the silicones are extremely ugly jobs. No big naturals that looked good. This bar was way better for line up, 3 years ago up to even maybe 5 years ago when founded. There were no faces that really appealed to me excepting Jane sitting on a guy's lap near by. I have known her for over 3 years. I watched two sets, or part of two sets. A guy sitting next to me was Swiss and had a gorgeous girl (who was clearly not from CH). Rather than gawk at her, I moved on. CH has very little for me these days, and Billboard at Nana is miles ahead for slim model types (with a few pretty faces too).
Tried out Long Gun just before 9 PM. The Coyotes clothed were dancing first. This was the most ordinary looking set of Coyotes I saw in a bar. 80% were over weight for my taste. Faces very plain. Only 1 made any attempt to dance like a Coyote normally does. At end of that set a fat girl approached. She asked if I recognised her. Nope! She said "Wip". Okay I knew this fresh shy newbie slim 19 YO about 5 years ago called Wip. This was a fat blob girl, so that I could hardly recognise the face. When she got up to dance nude, it was worse, with a long railway track right accross the belly. She had been away from Long Gun (also called Lucky Star officially), for several years. She met a Thai boy in the village and by 4 months she was pregnant. Before giving birth he already had a new girl. Makes me sick to hear the same old story time and again. Why wouldn't a young girl wait 3 years to get to know her partner better before even thinking about a family. Working in Seven does not pay the bills. Coming back to the bar does work either. Once was cute and fun, now looks like a fat disaster. She noticed I had lost several kilos since we last met, so food control can work. However these uneducated girls have no clues. The gogo girls dancing nude were mostly bad figures, 80% pudgy, one or two moderately slim but not skinny. One or two had acceptable faces but far short of pretty for me. Not one girl had nice slim legs with a high shapely ass. So for my taste, Long Gun line up was significantly behind CH (liking slim to skinny girls). A Show came on and even the 2 show girls were pudgy to my taste. Maybe were Indian taste. BTW, when I arrived at Long Gun, they had only 8 customers, making the bar maybe 20 to 25% full. Far fewer customers than CH. The customers vote with their feet. I heard later that maybe Rawhide could be better.
So if you go for slim models like me, forget Long Gun completely. Even CH was not exciting at all.
Next stop Doll House. This bar has changed a lot yet again. I would say they had 25% gogo girls and the rest were Coyotes (Coyote BF 1000). The Coyote girls had mostly very good slim model figures, and several were even pretty. I would rate them overall as better than Sharks Coyotes, and at a cheaper price, could consider trying one. At least one of the gogo girls had a great ass too. That was better, even if she had zero tits. There was no naked dancing in Dollhouse, but some girls wore g-String. Coyotes cover the tits a bit too much as usual.
Looked in my normal Shark too. Some good looking girls, but I probably rate Doll House higher for the Coyote types for looks alone. I BFed two girls, both ex-Suzie Wong, and we had a really great fun time, lots of slobbery kissing, lots of fingers deep in pussies, dual girl BBBJs, etc. They were not real lesbians so were not inclined to lick each other's pussies, but still had a lot of fun interacting with 2 girls concurrently (Yes I know I have only one dick but also a mouth and two hands). Yes I would repeat. I would even think about taking both away on a holiday. As I don't cum easy, it is useful for them to share the workload.
DATYed Maa, her squatting over my mouth, to her 3rd pop (according to her. Not sure if was true or only a lesser number in total) while Pat gave me BBBJ. Because was Tuesday, and the staff know me, and I tip well, and the ST Hotel was not busy, I believe we got well over the normal 1 hour, without watching the clock. Many positions tried. When we finished was after 1 am, so I could not work out where so much time had gone. ST Hotel fee (AsokePlace) was 450 baht instead of 350 baht. I guess 100 more covers extra towel (or more than covers). LOL Coming out of there a Farang customer waiting went "Whoohr" as if to indicate I had 2 pretty hot sexy looking girls. His companion was a LB, not so smooth face. I wondered if he knew. Normally it is Japanese guys come in there with LBs. Some bars are having secret hush hush post op LBs these days, where the staff are not officially allowed to talk about it.
P.S. I did BF a Billboard Model type recently, No. 918 Ying. She was inexperienced, apprehensive, and lacking skills. By the end of the hour, she had started to go better giving me some DFK, which says she does not normally do. Overall not up to standard of my regular girls, but just showed a glimmer, that it could be better next time if she is relaxed and I can get some extra leg openers into her. More likely I will try a different girl (perhaps 900) though and see if I get luckier. Ying could suit a guy who does not need any service, but rather so horny, that a sleek pretty girl will turn him on a treat, automatically. Not at my age, though. I need DFK from early to get excited. Alternatively a skilled BJ will work.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2162338]
So if you go for slim models like me[/QUOTE]Isn't it odd that what is appealing to the eye is rarely appealing to the touch? For fucking, I like models if they are lingerie models with some sexy meat on their bones. I damn sure don't like skeleton skinny "fashion" models.
Stopped in Thermae on a whim Monday night about 9:30 PM and the place was packed with girls, many very attractive, and only about 1/3 the number of customers I usually see in the place. As I went in on impulse on my way home I wasn't really thinking about taking anyone but, this might sound weird, actually I went in to find a MAN! LOL. See, it happens that Thermae is one of those places where I have met some of the more fun, interesting and socially compatible new male friends, guys I have exchanged Line info with, met again later on that holiday for them or on subsequent return visits, gone on many, many go-go bar runs with and so on. If you stand at that bar, with or without a friend or wingman already at your side, it is easy to see which guys are similar age to you, are or are not heavy drinkers or alcohol drinkers at all based on the drink placed before them and how often they reorder and even if they are smokers or not, since many heavy smokers can't last more than 10-15 minutes before stepping outside for a cigarette. This all adds to the compatibility issue. And it is a place where one can actually hear the other person speaking in a somewhat normal voice level because the music isn't all that loud.
So I have met some very fun, interesting and, obviously, like-minded guys on the subject of P4 P adventures from the USA, France, Spain, Italy, the U. K. and, yep, even from Asia/Japan in Thermae, where it is probably easier to chat up the fellow next to you than in almost any other P4 P venue in the city. Some turn out to be annoying types and they can often be weeded out quickly and ignored or walked away from. Maybe they make the same judgement of me. LOL. But in every case a man standing alone at the bar in Thermae has been open and even welcoming of a simple, "Hi, how are things going for you tonight? See anything interesting yet?" as you both gaze around the room type of neighborly chat up that quite often can lead to adding worthwhile recurring contacts to hangout with and explore the rest of what Bangkok and elsewhere in Thailand has to offer.
But I didn't get that far this time. The place was so packed with attractive girls who were clearly, obviously and quite demonstrably interested in getting the attention of this particular farang in his 60's but who might if the lighting is just right be taken for being closer to early 50's with a big, inviting smile on his face (that would be me), after I got my club soda at the entrance counter I barely got past the first group of girls on the left side of the bar before they were kind of closing in on the aisle to keep me from going very far, facing me full on, smiling and slightly nodding as if to already be saying "yes" to a question I hadn't even thought about asking yet.
I stopped at the first best looking one in that particular group to say Hello and how are you (sawatdee krup. sabai dee mai?) and found she spoke quite fluent English. Chatted a bit with her and I was genuinely interested. But I politely told her I wanted to take a quick walk around the place since I had just arrived and maybe I would come back to chat some more in a few minutes. Again, I didn't get very far after that either. By the time I took about 5 strides through the crowd of very smiley and focused (on me, an old farang) slim and attractive young ladies, I spied one that I had seen and briefly chatted up months earlier but did not take at the time because I had another appointment heading to my apartment about an hour later and had only gone in Thermae at the time because a friend I had met, sure enough in Thermae, wanted to check it out.
She recognized me immediately too. Biggest smile in the room (I think. Frankly, I hadn't even had a chance to scan the room at that point). We chatted for about 2 minutes, I cleared the 2-3 basic requirements I would need to be met were I to take her this night. No discussion of money. Only a discussion of whether or not she would be ok with me kissing and licking her pussy, followed by a sweet and complete round of BBFS. She agreed, I took her gently by the hand and off we went. Back through a crowd of rather unhappy and disappointed looking attractive young ladies, if I might humbly add. Did I mention there were only about 1/3 the number of male customers in the place this night? LOL. Again, still no discussion of money with my choice. And there still was none afterwards. I simply tucked 2,500 baht under the corner of her purse on my desk when she was showering after what turned out to be a thoroughly satisfying, unhurried romp on my couch and in my bed with a new lady with a dynamite body, lovely face, wonderful smile, silky smooth skin, a totally bald pussy and that winning attitude everyone seems to be looking for these days.
I think slow customer nights and certain times of the evening at Thermae can be very rewarding for older farang men, the kind who most of the girls, especially the hotter younger girls, are supposedly not the least bit interested in having a session with in favor of waiting for a Japanese taker instead. Or so the theory goes.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2162389]Isn't it odd that what is appealing to the eye is rarely appealing to the touch? For fucking, I like models if they are lingerie models with some sexy meat on their bones. I damn sure don't like skeleton skinny "fashion" models.[/QUOTE]Yeh I heard that before. My buddy likes fat girls (fat in my view. Voluptuous in his view). He once described my GF as a "bag of bones" when she was 40 Kg. Even with nice sized tits, but even looking too skinny for me at the time. Right now she might be 46 Kg at age 39 (she is shortish) and I would not want her to add too much more to the belly. Just perfect for me now. Still has a great ass, way better than any Long Gun girls seen last night.
I have branched out. One regular bargirl in Shark has big tits, and good curves, but not very close to skinny. Tallish and probably weighs 50 to 55 Kg. Meanwhile I still have a skinny girl in Crazy House on occasion. Not a bag of bones though. Does have enough flesh that the touch is great for me, soft tits, and fingers in the tight pussy. Tallish so probably weighs 46+ Kg.
There is a very small percentage of girls that are too skinny for my taste, ha ha, but not very many, maybe 1 or 2% only. A large percentage of girls are too fat for me, maybe 50% Then have to eliminate any excessively ugly surgeries, also a high percentage.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2162413]Stopped in Thermae on a whim Monday night about 9:30 PM ....
I think slow customer nights and certain times of the evening at Thermae can be very rewarding for older farang men, the kind who most of the girls, especially the hotter younger girls, are supposedly not the least bit interested in having a session with in favor of waiting for a Japanese taker instead. Or so the theory goes.[/QUOTE]Its hard to believe this is the same Thermae I have been in a few months ago. Still the economy is real bad right now, and so many people have so little money that even the traffic jams at night have declined. People can't afford petrol. It could be turning to a buyer's market in Thermae if so many girls were so keen and even changing from demure to semi aggressive.
The new government is mostly talk, and can't implement much useful, lacking money for one thing. The food carts and street stalls get swept out to create a better image but the people suffer. No way to make money. Meanwhile the government was spending big on submarines I think. What for? MPs get shut down. Non Thai nationals cannot work in most bars, maybe they can work in Thermae? The Government should be focussing on boosting the economy for poor people.
I would never have used the same terms for lots of pretty girls, so I might be a bit more fussy for natural looks. In my case I only found the odd few really appealing ones, but they were almost always popular girls with the Japanese customers.
I get the impression that the whole monger scene is a bit low on customers, in addition to economy being very bad, with certain places being exceptions. Shark was very busy last night. Lots of customers. Not sure exact reason why it is popular. The dance music is okay The gogo girls are just okay In general. I just happen to like two girls known for many years. The Coyotes a bit too expensive to BF.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2162191]Syzy, what is your reaction to my sense that a very sexually active party-girl in almost any big city in the USA could very well be more likely to acquire HIV sexually from an HIV-positive man (and then pass it along) than a P4P girl we would likely encounter in Bangkok?
[/QUOTE]That is too hard of a question. We need to understand that some hookers are using condoms and others are willing not to. How many different guys does each bareback girl fuck in a year? Do any girls take BB up the ass? (unwise). What is the likelihood of intravenous drug users being one of the parties involved? Etc. Also I am not from USA and lack USA experience. Never fucked a girl in the USA, have done a hottie from Puerto Rico (damn deep DFK).
Taxi drivers talk to me about the village they come from. Normally they know of several villagers died of Aids, whether male or female, sometimes both husband and wife, sometimes even a child was born with HIV. One could get the impression it is prevalent in the Thai community. I hear less about Thai people in Bangkok and even less about Farangs getting Aids here. I don't interact with lots of Farangs. Just a few at the Sports Pub. Probably a lot of Farang cases will be related to drugs and gay activities, and I don't come into contact with those types.
I don't do widespread BBFS. HIV is not even the main reason. I am scared to pick up other very easily caught STDs. Can't afford to give my wife anything. That would not be nice. So I indulge mostly in lower risk activities. It is very useful for regular BBFS partners to be both tested every so often to get a reassurance. Neither partner may trust the other completely to not suddenly take some unknown person in BBFS. She did it with me, so how many others is she not telling me about? If I did not have the Mrs., likely I would be behaving less carefully. I have only done maybe 3 new girls (for first time) this year and each was covered FS. So clearly my mongering is in steep decline. Finding new fabulous girls sufficiently exciting becomes harder and harder. I don't have the biological imperative to spread my seed so widely any more. Easier to take a known girl with good face and good body and a good fuck. Still get some variety form skinny to very curvy.
I would bet most of us did BBFS at some time in the past with a newly met girl in a rush of blood, even if we normally don't. I can recall a few. However at least I have my test results that prove there were no consequences for past behaviours with unknown girls.
You can get very unlucky. I have had an STD only twice over many years. One was Chlamydia eye from fingering pussy and not washing finger before rubbing the eye. Second was Chlamydia dick. The only girl barebacked at that time claimed to not have Chlamydia which leads to possibly of catching it from a BBBJ by a woman from the Grace Coffee shop (a lot of years ago), or maybe the BBFS girl was telling lies (seems a bit more likely). One other time had some infection probably not an STD as the one BBFS girl did not have it. No other sex partners at that time.
I have to assume that most regular Barebackers will catch an STD moderately often since Chlamydia and others are caught so easily. My last Red Cross visit tested for long term indicators of past Herpes or Cold Sores (HSV) and none were found. That surprised me a little, since I DFK and DATY and get BBBJs from so many girls over the years, and reportedly a high percentage of the population have had one of those, I expected the monger community to be worse off. Can one be immune to it, or just relatively hard to catch, or very lucky for this one (unlucky for Chlamydia)?
I used to use Durex Comfort 54mm, but now use a Japanese 52mm condom "003" (can buy it in 7Eleven) which is harder to get on but I have developed the perfect technique to stretch and get it on easily and without bubbles. It is thin enough to give me pretty good feel, still not as good as BBFS of course. I even have to buy a supply to take OS. I could not go back to normal condoms, given that get used to superior BBFS.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2162413]Stopped in Thermae on a whim Monday night about 9:30 PM and the place was packed with girls, many very attractive, and only about 1/3 the number of customers I usually see in the place. As I went in on impulse on my way home I wasn't really thinking about taking anyone but, this might sound weird, actually I went in to find a MAN! LOL. See, it happens that Thermae is one of those places where I have met some of the more fun, interesting and socially compatible new male friends, guys I have exchanged Line info with, met again later on that holiday for them or on subsequent return visits, gone on many, many go-go bar runs with and so on. If you stand at that bar, with or without a friend or wingman already at your side, it is easy to see which guys are similar age to you, are or are not heavy drinkers or alcohol drinkers at all based on the drink placed before them and how often they reorder and even if they are smokers or not, since many heavy smokers can't last more than 10-15 minutes before stepping outside for a cigarette. This all adds to the compatibility issue. And it is a place where one can actually hear the other person speaking in a somewhat normal voice level because the music isn't all that loud.
So I have met some very fun, interesting and, obviously, like-minded guys on the subject of P4 P adventures from the USA, France, Spain, Italy, the U. K. and, yep, even from Asia/Japan in Thermae, where it is probably easier to chat up the fellow next to you than in almost any other P4 P venue in the city. Some turn out to be annoying types and they can often be weeded out quickly and ignored or walked away from. Maybe they make the same judgement of me. LOL. But in every case a man standing alone at the bar in Thermae has been open and even welcoming of a simple, "Hi, how are things going for you tonight? See anything interesting yet?" as you both gaze around the room type of neighborly chat up that quite often can lead to adding worthwhile recurring contacts to hangout with and explore the rest of what Bangkok and elsewhere in Thailand has to offer.
But I didn't get that far this time. The place was so packed with attractive girls who were clearly, obviously and quite demonstrably interested in getting the attention of this particular farang in his 60's but who might if the lighting is just right be taken for being closer to early 50's with a big, inviting smile on his face (that would be me), after I got my club soda at the entrance counter I barely got past the first group of girls on the left side of the bar before they were kind of closing in on the aisle to keep me from going very far, facing me full on, smiling and slightly nodding as if to already be saying "yes" to a question I hadn't even thought about asking yet.
I stopped at the first best looking one in that particular group to say Hello and how are you (sawatdee krup. sabai dee mai?) and found she spoke quite fluent English. Chatted a bit with her and I was genuinely interested. But I politely told her I wanted to take a quick walk around the place since I had just arrived and maybe I would come back to chat some more in a few minutes. Again, I didn't get very far after that either. By the time I took about 5 strides through the crowd of very smiley and focused (on me, an old farang) slim and attractive young ladies, I spied one that I had seen and briefly chatted up months earlier but did not take at the time because I had another appointment heading to my apartment about an hour later and had only gone in Thermae at the time because a friend I had met, sure enough in Thermae, wanted to check it out.
She recognized me immediately too. Biggest smile in the room (I think. Frankly, I hadn't even had a chance to scan the room at that point). We chatted for about 2 minutes, I cleared the 2-3 basic requirements I would need to be met were I to take her this night. No discussion of money. Only a discussion of whether or not she would be ok with me kissing and licking her pussy, followed by a sweet and complete round of BBFS. She agreed, I took her gently by the hand and off we went. Back through a crowd of rather unhappy and disappointed looking attractive young ladies, if I might humbly add. Did I mention there were only about 1/3 the number of male customers in the place this night? LOL. Again, still no discussion of money with my choice. And there still was none afterwards. I simply tucked 2,500 baht under the corner of her purse on my desk when she was showering after what turned out to be a thoroughly satisfying, unhurried romp on my couch and in my bed with a new lady with a dynamite body, lovely face, wonderful smile, silky smooth skin, a totally bald pussy and that winning attitude everyone seems to be looking for these days.
I think slow customer nights and certain times of the evening at Thermae can be very rewarding for older farang men, the kind who most of the girls, especially the hotter younger girls, are supposedly not the least bit interested in having a session with in favor of waiting for a Japanese taker instead. Or so the theory goes.[/QUOTE]ABout meeting nice guys in such places, I had some funny experience. AS I already wrote here, I like Beergarden both for experienced ladies (much much better in bed than the young sexy girls of bars) and discussing with guys for all parts of the world. For sure, as you say, not always interesting but easy to break the discussion after 5 min. Once I met a swedish man and, in contrast to their reputation of being cold, he was very nice. He did'nt know about Thermae and asked me to show him. We went and he almost jumped on the girls! But the ebst is to come: to thank me, he paid a girl for me!!
Monday night was chatting with two guys, one was part owner of cowboy bar Midnite Upstairs back in 1991 (and before that), the other was his relative. We had all been in his bar in 1991 (my first trip to Thailand without a wife in tow). I was complaining about the high amount of surgeries in bargirls, and the bar owner claims that even back in 1991, a lot of bargirls had surgeries. I disputed that. Maybe I did not recognise all nose jobs back then as a newbie, however when I look at my old photos of girls from 1991 (printed photos of course), I don't see nose or tit jobs on any of them. Many girls did have eye surgeries. I have never been one to pay attention to that much. Girls used to talk about "two storey eyelids".
So just wondered the opinion of any punters who were here 25 to 30 years ago. Were there in fact a lot of nose jobs in the bar girls? I do remember tit jobs, but far fewer than the modern day, I think. Tit jobs took off in western countries a little before Thailand I believe, same as mobile phones (cellphones for you Americans).
Did nose jobs really take off in recent years?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2162536]Its hard to believe this is the same Thermae I have been in a few months ago. Still the economy is real bad right now, and so many people have so little money that even the traffic jams at night have declined. People can't afford petrol. It could be turning to a buyer's market in Thermae if so many girls were so keen and even changing from demure to semi aggressive.
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I would never have used the same terms for lots of pretty girls, so I might be a bit more fussy for natural looks. In my case I only found the odd few really appealing ones, but they were almost always popular girls with the Japanese customers.
I get the impression that the whole monger scene is a bit low on customers, in addition to economy being very bad, with certain places being exceptions. Shark was very busy last night. Lots of customers. Not sure exact reason why it is popular. The dance music is okay The gogo girls are just okay In general. I just happen to like two girls known for many years. The Coyotes a bit too expensive to BF.[/QUOTE]Well, to paraphrase your recent posted observation about go-go bars, my observation is the line up and customer numbers in Thermae change a lot from day to day and completely within months. In fact, I have seen more changes in the girl line up in Thermae from week to week than I ever see as often in a go-go bar. Which seems logical since girls working in go-go bars are generally expected to return night after night while the girls who show up at Thermae are much more random and it depends on how a girl feels she wants to earn money and where that night or that week. As far as the customer numbers go, I generally try to arrive in Thermae around 9:30-10 PM and the crowd is always less then than by 11 PM or later.
One big difference, among perhaps many, between your assessment of a line up and mine is that my impression is you scan the room (go-go bar or Thermae, doesn't matter) and decide which girl is absolutely the most beautiful in the room. Then you must have her, all others are second best and, therefore, far, far less interesting to you. If a Japanese man scoops up that one before you get to her or if she rebuffs you presumably because you are not Japanese or for any other reason, then you might redirect your attention to the next most beautiful girl in the room and now you must have her and all the others are second best and, therefore, far, far less interesting to you.
By contrast, I rarely if ever scan a room looking for the most beautiful girl to focus on and might only do so if a friend I am with asks me which one I think is the most beautiful. And even if I locate "her", I can certainly appreciate her beauty and "status" as the one I think is the most beautiful in the room but, frankly, determining that does not automatically make her the most sexually desirable one in the room to me. I still need to recognize a certain something about her that makes me want to put my dick in her or see how her face looks when she is having an orgasm or some combination of both and whatever other mysterious factor it is that makes me want to have sex with a woman. But being the most beautiful girl in the room is rarely if ever the mysterious certain something that does that for me. I have had what I believe is more than my share of vacuous beauties, and, well, been there done that. Boring.
So I am fine with choosing a girl that I think is sufficiently attractive, "good looking" for sure, and exudes that mysterious certain something for me but I could probably not tell you at that moment whether she was among the top 5, 10 or 20 "most beautiful" girls in the room. That simply wouldn't matter to me. I would just know that she qualifies as more than attractive enough, cute enough, or interestingly quirky different enough to me for me to want to give her a spin and have sex with her this night.
Also, I have learned in my lifetime of fucking that there is for me an immutable law of fucking that goes like this; the more you fuck, the more you fuck and the less you fuck, the less you fuck. LOL.
That being the case, I have over time managed to avoid being too too picky, too too fussy and worrying too too much about whether or not the girl I choose or for that matter get to fuck this night is exactly the right one. Down that path lies a delay for my next fuck. And after that delay, perhaps another will follow. And then another. And on and on until it might be much longer between fucks than is good for my sex life and, bingo, I am now caught in a downward spiraling vortex known in the Laws of Fucking as "the less you fuck, the less you fuck."
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2162597]That being the case, I have over time managed to avoid being too too picky, too too fussy and worrying too too much about whether or not the girl I choose or for that matter get to fuck this night is exactly the right one.[/QUOTE]This is profound mongering wisdom, and every tourist and newbie ought to read and re-read your post. Over the years I've seen so many who seem obsessed with getting the 'hottest' girl in the room. And sometimes they succeed, but in general they never seem to have as good a time as those who just aim for finding nice girls with whom they have some rapport. Just stay in the game, as you say, and sooner or later you will find some spectacular performers. And often they aren't the super hot-looking ones that every other guy in the room is trying for.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2162531]He once described my GF as a "bag of bones" when she was 40 Kg. Even with nice sized tits, but even looking too skinny for me at the time. Right now she might be 46 Kg at age 39 (she is shortish) and I would not want her to add too much more to the belly. Just perfect for me now.[/QUOTE]I don't normally prefer skinny girls. However, my current girlfriend is 40 kg. If she ballooned to 46 kg, I would dump her immediately. The thing that makes her so sexy is her extremely flat stomach. She basically has a six pack and it's a turn on. She does have a beautiful face and nice little ass as well, but small tits. She's the kind of girl the locals cream their jeans over due to her white skin and face that looks like it's a mix between Asian and Western.
That being said, I do prefer bigger girls normally. Big asses and big tits. This skinny girl is an exception.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2162577]Monday night was chatting with two guys, one was part owner of cowboy bar Midnite Upstairs back in 1991 (and before that), the other was his relative. We had all been in his bar in 1991 (my first trip to Thailand without a wife in tow). I was complaining about the high amount of surgeries in bargirls, and the bar owner claims that even back in 1991, a lot of bargirls had surgeries. I disputed that. Maybe I did not recognise all nose jobs back then as a newbie, however when I look at my old photos of girls from 1991 (printed photos of course), I don't see nose or tit jobs on any of them. Many girls did have eye surgeries. I have never been one to pay attention to that much. Girls used to talk about "two storey eyelids".
So just wondered the opinion of any punters who were here 25 to 30 years ago. Were there in fact a lot of nose jobs in the bar girls? I do remember tit jobs, but far fewer than the modern day, I think. Tit jobs took off in western countries a little before Thailand I believe, same as mobile phones (cellphones for you Americans).
Did nose jobs really take off in recent years?[/QUOTE]My first trip was in 1992. Thailand was dirt poor then and bar fines were around 300 THB, with the girls wanting about 300 THB for ST. I do not think that girls were sophisticated enough to seek out a plastic surgeon. Remember, there was no internet then, so they could not compare their noses to those of Hollywood stars or K-pop princesses. Even if they knew about it, there is no way they could have afforded it. I recall most of the girls being flat chested with full bushes.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2162577]
So just wondered the opinion of any punters who were here 25 to 30 years ago. Were there in fact a lot of nose jobs in the bar girls? I do remember tit jobs, but far fewer than the modern day, I think. Tit jobs took off in western countries a little before Thailand I believe, same as mobile phones (cellphones for you Americans).
Did nose jobs really take off in recent years?[/QUOTE]Definitely lots of tit jobs in Bkk during the mid to late 80's. Thailand was THE place to go in SE Asia for enhancement, and I recall Aussie girls were lining up for the trip.
Nose jobs came a bit later.
[QUOTE=RedKilt;2162661]Definitely lots of tit jobs in Bkk during the mid to late 80's. Thailand was THE place to go in SE Asia for enhancement, and I recall Aussie girls were lining up for the trip.
Nose jobs came a bit later.[/QUOTE]Why don't the silly cows have waist and hip jobs instead? The mulattas in SA have them and it's not as though the mulattas even needed them much. Here only geezers get plastic surgery that does any good to the figure. What's wrong with this people? Why is the job of representing the ideal female figure delegated to guys? I'm convinced by now some girls might be deterred of getting hips and waist jobs for fear of being mistaken for take-it-up-the-ass crossdressers. How more schizophrenic can it get?
[QUOTE=XXL;2162674]Why don't the silly cows have waist and hip jobs instead? The mulattas in SA have them and it's not as though the mulattas even needed them much. Here only geezers get plastic surgery that does any good to the figure. What's wrong with this people? Why is the job of representing the ideal female figure delegated to guys? I'm convinced by now some girls might be deterred of getting hips and waist jobs for fear of being mistaken for take-it-up-the-ass crossdressers. How more schizophrenic can it get?[/QUOTE]How about this? Why don't they pump whatever feminine hormones, estrogen, miracle elixer or whatever it is they pump into young males to turn them into Ladyboys into some of the natural born Thai females too?! LOL. I mean, as long as that stuff is creating these ultra slim, beautiful skinned, shapely and tall babes out of MEN, how about seeing what it will do for the WOMEN??
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2162642]My first trip was in 1992. Thailand was dirt poor then and bar fines were around 300 THB, with the girls wanting about 300 THB for ST. I do not think that girls were sophisticated enough to seek out a plastic surgeon. Remember, there was no internet then, so they could not compare their noses to those of Hollywood stars or K-pop princesses. Even if they knew about it, there is no way they could have afforded it. I recall most of the girls being flat chested with full bushes.[/QUOTE]Does it make sense the BF being the same as a ST price? I thought the BFs were less than that.
I recall getting bargirls for LT normally paying them 500 Baht, and one girl was only 400 Baht for the night, and next day she did not want to leave. I was lucky enough to get a girl from Thermae with moderately large broad expansive natural tits (more than handful), so definitely they were not all flat chested, just that there were a lot of flat chested girls. In slightly later years at Lollipop Nana Plaza I had some natural big tit girls too, in one case two sisters, both with big tits. I don't recall ever needing to take any siliconised girls in my early years here, despite them being around. Real big tits did exist.
Over the years I have taken a lot of flat or small chested girls, provided they are not saggy, like deflated bags.
Even in 1991, I think a lot of girls had had an eye operation, however it must have been a simple and quite inexpensive procedure.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2162689]How about this? Why don't they pump whatever feminine hormones, estrogen, miracle elixer or whatever it is they pump into young males to turn them into Ladyboys into some of the natural born Thai females too?! LOL. I mean, as long as that stuff is creating these ultra slim, beautiful skinned, shapely and tall babes out of MEN, how about seeing what it will do for the WOMEN??[/QUOTE]Your response is a little bit hyped up. LOL You may not be aware, that their is not much point in giving females hormones, unless they are suffering from a hormone shortage. If they have the normal female hormones already, adding more may not do a huge amount. However some girls report their breasts getting bigger when taking the pill. Other girls have normal hormones but have very small breasts. Hormones don't have same effect on all. I am not expert enough in that field to know why.
Some LBs can grow natural breasts when taking female hormones, some cannot and need silicone. Normal is for them to grow little ones.
Clearly female hormones do not prevent all girls from getting fat. LOL Keeping skinny is about natural metabolism, the bacteria populations in the gut, exercise, and food control. LBs are probably naturally taller, of course.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2162799]Does it make sense the BF being the same as a ST price? I thought the BFs were less than that.
I recall getting bargirls for LT normally paying them 500 Baht, and one girl was only 400 Baht for the night, and next day she did not want to leave. I was lucky enough to get a girl from Thermae with moderately large broad expansive natural tits (more than handful), so definitely they were not all flat chested, just that there were a lot of flat chested girls. In slightly later years at Lollipop Nana Plaza I had some natural big tit girls too, in one case two sisters, both with big tits. I don't recall ever needing to take any siliconised girls in my early years here, despite them being around. Real big tits did exist.
Over the years I have taken a lot of flat or small chested girls, provided they are not saggy, like deflated bags.
Even in 1991, I think a lot of girls had had an eye operation, however it must have been a simple and quite inexpensive procedure.[/QUOTE]You are probably right. It was 25 years ago, so I might have forgotten the exact amount. The girls fee was more likely 500 THB.
[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2161855]Yeah, couldn't agree more. Had an interesting conversation with a girl at CH. She was pretty good looking, nice firm body and all. But she told me somehow Japanese customers just wasn't into her. She wasn't particularly into them either, but her friends kept getting pretty generous tips from their Japanese customer.
In any case I've spent like most of an evening in Baccara getting completely ignored. Oddly, my friend who look (and dress like) a 6 1/2 foot lumberjack couldn't have a single moment to himself. They were literally crawling on him. He is as far from an Asian as you can possibly be. Strange.[/QUOTE]Was this by any chance a girl with a great ass and small tits? She told me the exact same thing, goes by aomaom on line (and also blocks you at random), says her age is 20, but probably nearing 30 to be honest. Coming back to BKK soon and really hoping to see her again.
And how's Nana? Is the roof ready and does it still have 3ST hotels? I can't remember which one the nice st hotel is. One is a total dump, near uhh. Angelwitch I think.
[QUOTE=XXL;2162674]Why don't the silly cows have waist and hip jobs instead? The mulattas in SA have them and it's not as though the mulattas even needed them much.[/QUOTE]Why do you want slim Thai girls to look like big assed SA girls? If you like the shape of SA girls you go to SA. If you like the shape of Thai girls (too) you go to Thailand.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2163007]Why do you want slim Thai girls to look like big assed SA girls? If you like the shape of SA girls you go to SA. If you like the shape of Thai girls (too) you go to Thailand.[/QUOTE]I'm impressed by your sense of logic and geographical acumen. I'd never arrived at that conclusion on my own.
What about "slim Thai girls" sometimes looking like Thai ladyboys? Not all of them, say one in ten. Wouldn't that be great? In that way whenever you spotted a stunning body from a distance you wouldn't have to assume it's a guy.
[QUOTE=XXL;2163014]I'm impressed by your sense of logic and geographical acumen. I'd never arrived at that conclusion on my own.
What about "slim Thai girls" sometimes looking like Thai ladyboys? Not all of them, say one in ten. Wouldn't that be great? In that way whenever you spotted a stunning body from a distance you wouldn't have to assume it's a guy.[/QUOTE]No need to be sarcastic.
And there are other ways to spot ladyboys. If you don't like the Thai girls as they are then go somewhere else, instead of calling them silly cows because they don't want waist and hip jobs.
That's all I was trying to say.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2163007]Why do you want slim Thai girls to look like big assed SA girls? If you like the shape of SA girls you go to SA. If you like the shape of Thai girls (too) you go to Thailand.[/QUOTE]I thought your reply was quite sensible on the face of it. Likewise ass enhancements made no sense to me. I of course prefer natural Thai looks, the more exotic, the better most likely. I certainly don't want Thai girls trying to look western, or like big booty girls, or anything else.
I have seen strange shaped Thai girls, that looked reminiscent of ladyboys, which naturally turned me off a little, e. G. Ass to small, body too straight, dance movements a little weird. Doesn't mean any of these things can be fixed by surgeries.
I prefer girls with waist to thigh ratio of between 0. 6 and 0. 7 which is about right for a naturally curvy but slim woman. I have seen some very straight bodied girls with coconuts stuck on the top. Very unappealing to me. There is also a good portion of Chinese girls that are rather too straight bodied for my taste. I prefer to come to Thailand, but the percentage of suitably shaped girls for me has been dropping over the years, as they eat a lot more western junk food, e. G. One girl told me the other day she loves a bucket of French fries with cheese sauce. Her figure could easily blow out, I feel, although she is still very young now.
Assuming all hot bodies from a distance would be ladyboys, or only 10% are not? That is getting too nutty for me.
Having sex once or twice a day is not a problem in general, but hey I'll be in BKK and a fuck-a-thon is my plan, it may be good to get some recreational help, just in case.
From my research on this forum, Charoen Pharmacy on Soi 3 and Southeast Pharmacy on Soi 15 Sukhumvit seem to have the best chance on getting some Viagra / Sidegra or Cialis / Apcalis. Prefer the 5 MG daily dose of Cialis / Apcalis as it gets me ready all day (you know, just like my user name Gladiator), don't have to worry about when I should take it and wait for it to take effect. Open to try Kamagra too (wonder if the gel tastes medicinal).
Is it still the case that these two pharmacies are the best shot? Is there other pharmacy close to where I will stay (Holiday Inn Sukhumvit on Soi 22 on the first few days of my trip)?
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I guess some Thai "export" quality WG will return back to Bangkok, soon.
[QUOTE=Gladiator69;2163584]Having sex once or twice a day is not a problem in general, but hey I'll be in BKK and a fuck-a-thon is my plan, it may be good to get some recreational help, just in case.
From my research on this forum, Charoen Pharmacy on Soi 3 and Southeast Pharmacy on Soi 15 Sukhumvit seem to have the best chance on getting some Viagra / Sidegra or Cialis / Apcalis. Prefer the 5 MG daily dose of Cialis / Apcalis as it gets me ready all day (you know, just like my user name Gladiator), don't have to worry about when I should take it and wait for it to take effect. Open to try Kamagra too (wonder if the gel tastes medicinal).
Is it still the case that these two pharmacies are the best shot? Is there other pharmacy close to where I will stay (Holiday Inn Sukhumvit on Soi 22 on the first few days of my trip)?[/QUOTE]Viagra is very easy to buy in Bangkok and they don't require a prescription. Pretty much every pharmacy you walk by will have it. I buy the generic since it's way cheaper and still works fine for me. I've stayed on soi 22 many times, as you walk towards Sukhumvit, there is definitely a pharmacy there that has it.
Hello chaps,
Can one of the seniors here give another senior some advise on good contacts of 3-some girls.
Would be much appreciated by PM.
Thanks.
K.
Alright guys, an unspoken rule. See a girl you've been with before and she's going into a hotel elevator with another guy you do not call out to her. That's just the wrong thing to do. It's unlikely she's going to drop a paying customer to go and chat with you. And the guy sure isn't going to like the interruption. Pick the wrong guys at the wrong time and you might get your ass beat.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2163553]
I have seen strange shaped Thai girls, that looked reminiscent of ladyboys, which naturally turned me off a little, e. G. Ass to small, body too straight, dance movements a little weird. Doesn't mean any of these things can be fixed by surgeries.
[/QUOTE]Changing an entire bone structure to change one's proportions would be radical surgery. If it was possible and available, I doubt it would be within the budget of the average ladyboy.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2164012]Alright guys, an unspoken rule. See a girl you've been with before and she's going into a hotel elevator with another guy you do not call out to her. That's just the wrong thing to do. It's unlikely she's going to drop a paying customer to go and chat with you. And the guy sure isn't going to like the interruption. Pick the wrong guys at the wrong time and you might get your ass beat.[/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with a nice friendly Hello,. The dude knows she a working girl. I don't think it is an unspoken rule in the least.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2164012]Alright guys, an unspoken rule. See a girl you've been with before and she's going into a hotel elevator with another guy you do not call out to her. [/QUOTE]I agree. I think it is bad form to call out a girl when she is with another customer unless she breaks the silence and says Hi first.
Instead of being forward like that, I will give the girl a quick knowing glance into her eyes that only she can see followed with a slight discreet smile and that's it. After all, she is working and I have better things to do than intrude on that. The rule is: have a good time, but be cool!
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2164101]Nothing wrong with a nice friendly Hello,. The dude knows she a working girl. I don't think it is an unspoken rule in the least.[/QUOTE]Whether it is unspoken or not it is proper etiquette and manners to not acknowledge her unless she does it first. Bottom line it is about having some class or not.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2164012]Alright guys, an unspoken rule. .[/QUOTE]Hi Breadman. I can see that your post is going to generate some discussion, which is fine. For what it's worth, I'm with Natty on this issue. Wink and a smile, maybe. Maybe something to discuss at some later time, but not at an elevator or wherever.
But what prompted you to post this comment? Is there a story here somewhere? TTG.
[QUOTE=Gladiator69;2163584]From my research on this forum, Charoen Pharmacy on Soi 3
Is it still the case that these two pharmacies are the best shot?[/QUOTE]Charoen Pharmacy on Soi 3 will give you the Sidegra at the MSRP price. Not sure what percentage of the other pharmacies will give it to you at the MSRP price. In Pattaya, none of the small pharmacies would give it to me at the MSRP price. Charoen is convenient because it is close to Nana Plaza. The prices went up last year. Now I believe it should be 120 baht for box of 4 50 MG tablets, and 200 baht for a box of 4 100 MG tablets.
Sidegra is legal Thai generic Viagra.
Has Thailand started to manufacture legal generic Cialis? In the US, Lilly loses its Cialis patent later this year.
Charoen Pharmacy should have legit Viagra and Cialis, but at a lot higher price. There will be counterfeit Viagra/Cialis and Indian generics on the street. Those work, but some are blanks (probably due to quality control?).
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2164101]Nothing wrong with a nice friendly Hello,. The dude knows she a working girl. I don't think it is an unspoken rule in the least.[/QUOTE]I totally disagree with that. I think it's completely inappropriate to say hello to any working girl when they are already with another guy outside their place of work. It's also inappropriate for them to say hello to you when you are with another girl.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2164240]I totally disagree with that. I think it's completely inappropriate to say hello to any working girl when they are already with another guy outside their place of work. It's also inappropriate for them to say hello to you when you are with another girl.[/QUOTE]Why is saying hello inappropriate? A quick cordial hello/greeting/smile or acknowledgement is simply the human thing to do. The only way this becomes an issue is if either the WG or the customer is so insecure, thinks they own the other and creates a scene. She is a WG and he is a customer, everyone knows their role and conducts themselves like mature humans would.
[QUOTE=RunMann;2164247]Why is saying hello inappropriate? A quick cordial hello/greeting/smile or acknowledgement is simply the human thing to do. The only way this becomes an issue is if either the WG or the customer is so insecure, thinks they own the other and creates a scene. She is a WG and he is a customer, everyone knows their role and conducts themselves like mature humans would.[/QUOTE]Agree with you 100% Rue Man.
[QUOTE=RunMann;2164247]Why is saying hello inappropriate? A quick cordial hello/greeting/smile or acknowledgement is simply the human thing to do. The only way this becomes an issue is if either the WG or the customer is so insecure, thinks they own the other and creates a scene. She is a WG and he is a customer, everyone knows their role and conducts themselves like mature humans would.[/QUOTE]Ask the girls their opinion. I bet it's the opposite. I know in Indonesia, there is ZERO chance any working girl will ever say hello to me outside her workplace if I am with a girl. Why? Because they are professional. I give them the same courtesy. If I am alone, and they are alone, for sure we will both say hello to each other. If they are with another guy outside their place of work, I ignore them (unless they feel comfortable enough to say hello to me since I am alone). I can say hello to them the next time I see them at their place of work or send them a text.
Some of these girls have guys who are "in love" with them and send them money from abroad each month. Don't kid yourself into thinking every guy has the same hardcore mindset that these girls are just pieces of meat. Some guys will be disappointed if another guy says hello to the girl he is with. They actually believe they are special to that girl. To say hello to them while they are with another guy outside their place of work without them initiating the hello is possibly costing that girl money. The girls are of course unethical in finding guys who fall in love with them and leading the guys on, but who am I to spoil that for them?
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2164253]Ask the girls their opinion. [/QUOTE]You could ask the girls but they are not a monolithic group so you will get different answers from them. You are making this into the proverbial mountain when it is only a proverbial molehill, if that. If a girl loses money because you said hello or she did the same while she is with a customer that is not on her or the guy who simply said hello, or acknowledged her, its on the insecure idiot who does not get human nature. Plus I am not here to protect WGs at all cost, as long as I am respectful I can't concern myself with what others do.
Bottom line is there is no rigid rule on this issue and there shouldn't be. We all have different opinions and approaches but saying hello, or acknowledging someone is universally seen as a positive thing by reasonable people.
[QUOTE=RunMann;2164262]saying hello, or acknowledging someone is universally seen as a positive thing by reasonable people.[/QUOTE]Agreed. If they are not with another man.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2164268]Agreed. If they are not with another man.[/QUOTE]Too bad for you because I and others like me will continue to say hello, regardless of who they are with.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2164240]I think it's completely inappropriate to say hello to any working girl when they are already with another guy outside their place of work. It's also inappropriate for them to say hello to you when you are with another girl.[/QUOTE]I am 100% with you on this unless the guy saying hello is known and observed saying hello to every person he passes on the street or stands next to in an elevator. Which is highly unlikely short of someone with mental problems. It is classic cock blocking done by the other fellow, either overtly or passive aggressively. What is he hoping to accomplish? Maybe prompt a quick exchange of niceties and book a ST for later before the elevator reaches the third floor and the formerly loving couple steps off? Recount and recall all the old times fucking her ass and getting an hour long rim job from her last time? At the most, if I see such a couple passing me and the guy is looking off in the other direction, I might throw a quick wink of acknowledgment to the girl and done.
Even when the girl I have been with before turns away from her current customer to make a big deal about saying hello to me, even IN the bar and not when they are strolling around outside the bar, my response is to smile, nod, maybe reply Hi but immediately turn right back to whatever I was doing before and say nothing more. If she is going to be assholish about how she treats her current customer that is her business, there is no reason for me to join her in the effort. And what if the guy she is with doesn't speak English that well and has no idea what quick discussion you and his girl are having right in front of him?
Seriously, guys, there are THOUSANDS of potential fucks and sucks all around you at any given moment in Bangkok. There is absolutely no reason for you to even so much as hold the gaze of a woman for more than a split second when it is clear another man is paying the tab right now. Go work your own deal and spread your wonderful chemistry with the ladies with someone else just for this moment, someone without a customer already who needs the attention and the money, how about it.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2164253]Ask the girls their opinion. I bet it's the opposite. I know in Indonesia, there is ZERO chance any working girl will ever say hello to me outside her workplace if I am with a girl. Why? Because they are professional. I give them the same courtesy. If I am alone, and they are alone, for sure we will both say hello to each other. If they are with another guy outside their place of work, I ignore them (unless they feel comfortable enough to say hello to me since I am alone). I can say hello to them the next time I see them at their place of work or send them a text.
Some of these girls have guys who are "in love" with them and send them money from abroad each month. Don't kid yourself into thinking every guy has the same hardcore mindset that these girls are just pieces of meat. Some guys will be disappointed if another guy says hello to the girl he is with. They actually believe they are special to that girl. To say hello to them while they are with another guy outside their place of work without them initiating the hello is possibly costing that girl money. The girls are of course unethical in finding guys who fall in love with them and leading the guys on, but who am I to spoil that for them?[/QUOTE]Guess it is place specific. In Pattaya, I would not hesitate, in the bar areas of BBK, I would not hesitate either. In a 5 star hotel; that would probably be a different matter.
[QUOTE=YourBoyRoc;2096236]I've been wanting to go to Thailand for some time but I've avoided Asia because I'm a smoker and I can't enjoy a vacation without my weed. It's likes a drinker going on vacation somewhere where they don't sell alcohol. I've been to Philippines and I was able to find weed in Angeles. Can anyone tell me if weed is available and where to find.[/QUOTE]Go to Cambodia. Many happy herb pizza shops will sell it on 172st and many other streets in Phnom Penh. And pretty much everywhere else in Cambodia.
[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2161665]Quite hard to get ST below 3000 nowadays unless you are weekly or monthly regular. Or Enrique Iglesias.[/QUOTE]April 1, BKK, Nana, I had the best session of my 10 day trip, 2 hrs 2+ shots, CL 32 yr old cuttie delivered to my hotel Soi 8, 2500 Baht, and I am no Julio Rodriguez rather a nice Falang who treated her nice, the quoted generalization may / is not true.
After the session, I took a walk to see how bad Terrmane was to us white guys after reading so many negatives over the past year hear in the Forum, at about 11:00 pm there were probably 100+ ladies lined up around the room, quite a few guys, most Asian, I was not in the market after my great session, but I would guess 15 -20 made eye contact and smiled back at me, several approached and one walked out with me and went 3 blocks up Suk with me trying to be friendly and not really pushy. (these were all doable) And as stated I am 60+ dress OK and my ex-wife still complains about my belly.
Conclusion We are in the land of smiles LOS, and the golden rule, I think being nice reaps rewards, so cheers and as always YMMV and RTFF.
Hi guys,
Total newbie here, just discovered the forum. Wanted to say thank you to everyone who participates and gives good information. Before writing this, I read about a years worth of the forum and really appreciates everyone who helps out this community.
Here are my experience in Bangkok in 2017 (two trips of 2-night layovers. So still semi-current).
I probably went to a total of over a dozen go-go bars. I took a lot of "best of" or "top 10" lists that seemed current and did my research. The areas included patpong, soi cowboy, and Nana.
By far, by far, the best girls I saw were in Billboard in Nana plaza (Billboard is on the third floor). There are two parts to it, a jacuzzi area which is very crowded and seems hard to get a seat, and a rotating circular stage on the other side where I was able to get a seat pretty easily most nights.
Why did I like it so much? Two reasons- the girls were smoking. Disclaimer- I prefer women with tan bodies (not white) and hate the Japanese anime type with braces. Many of the women had developed butts / boobs, and seemed attractive in a Western outlook.
The other reason I like it is that the stage rotates. This means I am not stuck looking at the same group of girls and its not awkward. I can look and peruse and the stage rotates in a circle, meaning I constantly get a good look and can make eye contact easily with the whole stage (seems almost like 24 girls at a time). No one is pushy, but at the same time, you have to be aggressive, the pretty ones usually have someone waiting to buy them a drink as soon as their dance time is over.
Angelwitch was a disappointment- I've been there before many years ago, and I remember the quality of girls being really high. In fact, almost all of the go-go bars didn't have girls I'the sleep with for minimal effort (by a drink and chat up), nevermind girls I'the pay to sleep with. (Suzy Wong's in Phuket had some real good looking girls, Billboard was the closest thing I saw in Bangkok).
Exceptions- Directly across from Billboard on the third level is a bar where all the girls wore different colors (like all girls on one side had pink bikinis, in the middle was green, etc). A map says its Butterflies (not sure if this is outdated).
I got placed on a couch in front of a middle stage. This absolutely cute girl came up to me and it was enough for me to think "woah" and immediately offer a drink. She was tall for a Thai, absolutely flat chested (and also flat stomach) but a nice plump butt. She was dark but had very nice features, like big eyes, big ears, straight nose etc. She was young, maybe like 21. I knew I would take her when she started grinding on me and I got really excited-.
Damage- Barfine 700, ST was 2 k. That was her offer, I didn't bargain but accepted.
Soon after I took her, I immediately regretted it. She seemed super bipolar, like all mad and upset one second and then sad the next in a Japanese anime way, like trying to be sad and cute. We walked to my hotel (maybe 7-8 minutes away) and during this time, she really worried me and pissed me off. It got to the point that I basically handed her a 500 baht note and told her to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off. She immediately said sorry and promised to be happy. Great. Exactly what I'm looking for (sarcasm). Stayed at the Amari, which was a dump and full of certain types of arabs (sorry to be racist, I love arabs but these were the kinds that- well, you guys probably get it). Other Amari's in Thailand are very nice. Anyways, don't remember much about the actual deed- it wasn't a total bust but I remember being glad when I could send her away (you know when you just want to bust and get it over with). I never got close to being excited as I did when she was grinding me through my jeans. I saw her the next night, and she gave me that pouty look again- her behavior was not cute. But man, she looked nice. (Sidenote, there were at least half a dozen girls at Billboard hotter than her but it was the first bar of the night. When I went back at the end of the night, they were all gone).
Another one– Patpong. I apologize for not remembering the exact name. Its near the middle of the area, by a corner bar at an intersection with a live band (can view it from there). Its on the street with all the vendors, and has a number in its name "Kings III" or something like that. My friend and I were walking by when I saw a gorgeous, gorgeous girl with two friends out front. She grabbed my hand, and I let her drag me in. She looked very half Asian, true half Asian and not a surgery make up type.
In the bar, we were swarmed. Luckily I had my half-Asian girl and bought her a drink while my friend had to deal with a bunch of other mercenary girls. This place was uncomfortable, while we were in a small booth / couch with two girls, another dozen girls stood in front of us, just a few feet away, staring.
30 seconds after my girl got her drink, she said "lets go upstairs, I have a room, 30 minutes". I said "how much". She said 4. 5 k, one shot, naked and kissing is okay. When I hestitated, she was like "Okay, peace". She was the hottest girl I saw in Bangkok (working Thai), but I don't mind. Its not the money, I know with the attitude like that, she would have been a total shit. I would have paid 9 k for an overnight GFE with someone like her. Funny, she said she was half French and grew up there but didn't know a single word in French.
Thanks again for all your contributions and letting me be part of this forum.
I have a tendency to never pull the trigger on a girl, always waiting and passing up great opportunities because "lets see what's at the next place". I am not saying take the first option you can see, but this method has never served me well. If you are like me, take something nice at like 10 pm Short term, then you can always have midnight-close to chase your unicorn without blue balls.
After the bars close-.
I've watched the Sukhumvit stretch between Nana and Cowboy many many times at like 2 am – 4 am. I've never seen anything nice. Its fat Africans and ladyboys. One time I saw two girls get their fortune read by some grandma on the street, and I did the same. I bought the girls food, but had no intention of anything else- That is the closest I've seen and if I didn't take them (despite their urging) at 4 am while I was desperate, that can explain the quality available.
A taxi driver took me to one bar, but I don't know remember the name / location. Maybe the description will help. It was around 4 am. It's a big room with small tables and a bar to one side, a pool table on the other. The biggest attraction is a very large you shape couch with maybe 15 girls sitting on it. They are facing you (like a fish bowl but with no glass). You can choose them- Quality seemed okay, but I was more interested in making friends with random peeps and drinking / pool. Don't remember the prices. Don't wait till late! Bangkok is not like other cities, sex becomes much harder when the entertainment zones close (though available).
However, there are after hour clubs.
Lets start with MIXX-.
MIXX is in the intercontinental hotel. If you are close by, don't pay for a cab / tuk tuk- tell the driver "Free ride, right?" They get commission. Forget the entrance, probably about 400 baht with a free beer / drink. There are two parts, one with a long bar (s) and dance floor, the other has a DJ with two bars and is a smoking area with a lot of tables. I remember drink prices being not that cheap, maybe 200-300 a beer. People say that all the girls here are working girls, though I see a lot of Thai girls in groups with guys dancing. A plus- there are a few Russian / CIS girls here. Now, please note- this is not BRIXX in Singapore or a nice place in Dubai. The Russian girls here are like 5-6's, with an occasional 7-8. I spoke to two girls in that 7 range, one said she was polish and the other was "Russian" (probably Central Asian). Both girls wanted 10 k which I may have paid but both got disinterested when I started to get into details like 'how long will you stay' and 'is DFK okay'. It was more like "You like me, you pay me, we go. Why ask questions". Yeah. That means I will probably get burned.
I think this club closed down at 3 am- after which means everyone went outside to the entrance and there were some last minute negotiations. I went to two other places, which I believe to be Climax club and Insanity club. Here, I saw almost exclusively Thai girls (any Russian / CIS were like super old and worn out, like 50's – 60's), its super loud, super dark, and not sure if I really like it. I had a few conversations with some girls, all who wanted between 4-5 k for the night. Wasn't really feeling any of them though. In these clubs, in my experience, you have to approach the girls. Girls are not approaching you unless maybe you are standing next to them at the bar and smile.
People talk about Soi 3 (Sukhumvit) and Grace hotel if you are looking for CIS or Arab girls. I walked Soi 3 multiple times but did not see anything I would count as a "working girl" from those races. Shit ton of Arabs / South Asians though (restaurants reflect this). However, I did discover the "Royal Garden Home Hotel". Its on Soi 3, a little past the Pakistan Embassy if you walk past the Pakistan embassy on your left (away from Nana), it will also be on your left. I went in, was greeted by a local guy who took me up to the second / third floor. Here, you have about 12 small hotel rooms, each one with a CIS girl in it. He takes you by each one, you get a look and maybe say Hello, and then you make your choice. He wanted 3,500- but I told him that my friend s aid 3,000. He said okay.
The girls range from youngish (late 20's) to older (early 40's) Most of them are Central Asian, though some look straight Slavic. I took the first one, a girl with a lip piercing. Small youthful tips, short hair (middle of the neck) and a very small belly. Room was okay, it seems this where the girls actually live. I had a shower, she had one, and we got to business.
Usually in situations like this, I like to give the girl a tip upfront (1 k) and warm things up by a massage. She accepted the tip without any words and then laughed when I tried to give her a massage. "Don't be nervous" she said, then popped on a condom and started an okay BJ for 30 seconds before doing the whole 'spread legs, go for it'. We actually had a decent time and I think I would have a better time as a regular customer. Oh, some of these women I saw were very smiley and friendly. I'the check this place out again.
Hi,
Hopefully my experiences in Part 1 of 2 were either insightful for newbies or entertaining. Please feel free to refute, update or clarify as I may have screwed up on names of places, etc.
I've read the forum, but have a few questions I'd be grateful if anyone takes the time. Hopefully these questions have not been asked in a while so no RTFFs.
1. I am going to BKK again next weekend, with a friend and his wife. She is kind of adventurous, not a prude, but not crazy either. She wants to go to a "lady show". Where should I take her? I saw many couples in Billboard, but its not really a show. Angelwitch would have been my answer but the girls were pretty bad and lackluster last time (like 3's). I remember in 2010, seeing some really cool shit and costumes and pseudo lesbian stuff, but it was nothing like that in 2017.
2. As you can probably tell in my previous post, I do like myself the Russian / CIS type. I gave my experiences on where to find them, does anyone have any other bars or clubs for freelancers? Someone mentioned Shock39, how is that place? (Please don't hate, I go to BKK because my work has me in South / South East Asia and I can go easily for a weekend. Otherwise, I'the be in Kiev).
Eurasians – I also love half Asian Thais (as you can probably tell from my first post). Any place I can find escort agencies, freelance bars, or clubs where these type of girls congregate?
3. I thank the forum for a lot of information on massage / soapies. However, I have this weird thing where I like to go to "normal" massage places and see if a HJ / BJ is offered. That feeling when you are uncertain and then she starts suggestively rubbing is super hot. Is there an area that has a lot of legit places (where normal tourists would go in) but is not staffed by total trolls? I can imagine a response like "yeah, that area is called Bangkok" but I've walked around a lot in Sukhumvit and Patpong and usually only see obvious places (that cost more than a bar girl) or just straight big old ladies. I'm not looking for stunners, but something that doesn't disgust.
4. On my first day, I fly in at 5:30 am, probably get to my hotel near Nana at 6:30 am. I doubt I'll be able to check in. Anything naughty I could do at 7 am? I'the love to find a place with a decent two hour massage, play around a bit, then get breakfast and pray for a 10 am check in.
Cheers!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2164277] And what if the guy she is with doesn't speak English that well and has no idea what quick discussion you and his girl are having right in front of him?
[/QUOTE]You've taken the discussion to an extreme level and introduced the classic straw man argument. No one said that they should be able to stop and converse with the WG when she is with another customer. The debate was about whether it is appropriate to acknowledge her with "hello." How you leap to cock blocking, wonderful chemistry, banging her in the ass and rim job from saying hello is called reaching.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2164240]I totally disagree with that. I think it's completely inappropriate to say hello to any working girl when they are already with another guy outside their place of work. It's also inappropriate for them to say hello to you when you are with another girl.[/QUOTE]Well said.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2164003]Viagra is very easy to buy in Bangkok and they don't require a prescription. Pretty much every pharmacy you walk by will have it. I buy the generic since it's way cheaper and still works fine for me. I've stayed on soi 22 many times, as you walk towards Sukhumvit, there is definitely a pharmacy there that has it.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=GreenBud;2164167]Charoen Pharmacy on Soi 3 will give you the Sidegra at the MSRP price. Charoen is convenient because it is close to Nana Plaza.[/QUOTE]Thanks, bros!
[QUOTE=RunMann;2164459]You've taken the discussion to an extreme level and introduced the classic straw man argument. No one said that they should be able to stop and converse with the WG when she is with another customer. The debate was about whether it is appropriate to acknowledge her with "hello." How you leap to cock blocking, wonderful chemistry, banging her in the ass and rim job from saying hello is called reaching.[/QUOTE]Here is how I got to that; when an uninvited interloper interjects an unsolicited "hello," into the face of a working girl who is by all evidence working her way toward being fucked by another customer for real money, everyone in this trio and anyone witness to it knows exactly what your message is; "I fucked this one before he did. Hey, it's all good, dude. Hope you enjoy my sloppy seconds."
Now, why would you feel uncontrollably compelled to even risk sending that message to anyone in the P4P game?
And there is much more to it than that. For example, you have no idea how your old flame is going to react to your simple, "hello", right? Or what her potential customer's reaction might be. What if she reacts so positively and happily to your winning smile, irresistible charm and dashing good looks at the instant of that "hello" it is clear that was exactly the opening she was hoping for because she would rather be with you than this new guy right now? Dumb, right? Yeah, sometimes P4P girls and bargirls do dumb things. Even stone cold sober ones. And the customer she is with might decide right there on the spot he will not be buying her another Ladydrink or barfining her. Ever. Or cancel if they are already on their way to his room.
Do you know what your unsolicited "hello" just accomplished then? You just took income away from her as efficiently as if you had opened her purse, removed 2000-3000 baht, tore up those bills into 4 pieces and flushed them down the toilet.
Or are you prepared to replace any missed income for every P4P girl you absolutely can't help yourself from saying "hello" to whenever you see her working a customer or a customer working her?
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;2164152]Hi Breadman. I can see that your post is going to generate some discussion, which is fine. (did I call it right? LOL)
But what prompted you to post this comment? Is there a story here somewhere? TTG.[/QUOTE]Hi Breadman. I remain curious about why you posted this comment. Did you encounter a WG from the night / week / month / year before at a bar? An elevator stop?
Dive in here!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2164527]Here is how I got to that; when an uninvited interloper interjects an unsolicited "hello," into the face of a working girl who is by all evidence working her way toward being fucked by another customer for real money, everyone in this trio and anyone witness to it knows exactly what your message is; "I fucked this one before he did. Hey, it's all good, dude. Hope you enjoy my sloppy seconds."
Now, why would you feel uncontrollably compelled to even risk sending that message to anyone in the P4P game?
And there is much more to it than that. For example, you have no idea how your old flame is going to react to your simple, "hello", right? Or what her potential customer's reaction might be. What if she reacts so positively and happily to your winning smile, irresistible charm and dashing good looks at the instant of that "hello" it is clear that was exactly the opening she was hoping for because she would rather be with you than this new guy right now? Dumb, right? Yeah, sometimes P4P girls and bargirls do dumb things. Even stone cold sober ones. And the customer she is with might decide right there on the spot he will not be buying her another Ladydrink or barfining her. Ever. Or cancel if they are already on their way to his room.
Do you know what your unsolicited "hello" just accomplished then? You just took income away from her as efficiently as if you had opened her purse, removed 2000-3000 baht, tore up those bills into 4 pieces and flushed them down the toilet.
Or are you prepared to replace any missed income for every P4P girl you absolutely can't help yourself from saying "hello" to whenever you see her working a customer or a customer working her?[/QUOTE]Wow, now someone who says hello is a interloper? Your paranoia is unpalatable and again introducing facts not in evidence with the smile, irresistible charm, "old flame" and taking income away bit which translates into such doom and gloom. Hard to have a discussion with someone who changes and introduces facts not in the equation.
You have no way of knowing if a harmless greeting will lead down the path of despair you've laid out. You're making a conclusion based on assumptions and the difference between an unsolicited and solicited hello is quite perplexing too. I will disappoint you and tell you that nothing you've written has moved me and I stand my assertion that a simple hello under the initial circumstances laid out below is appropriate. So I will use it or acknowledge the WG if she uses it towards me first regardless of who she is with because I have no ulterior motive when I say hello and that is a fact.
RunMann wants to impose his concept of politeness whether or not it is appropriate, and whether or not is it wanted by the girl. He seems to think that because he paid to fuck a girl, she considers him a friend and wants to acknowledge they have / had a relationship. This is highly unlikely, as she has nothing to gain by this, since he was just another customer, and, outside of the specific environment where they met, it would be prejudicial to her reputation for him, as a non-Thai, to show that he knew her, and that she knew him, since that would lead anyone nearby to believe that she was a hooker. Second, as Eih Tooms stated, by saying Hello to the girl when she is with another guy, you are announcing that you have fucked her before. What if she is with her boyfriend / sponsor? Is she going to want him to know that you fucked her? Is he going to take kindly to your fucking his girl behind his back? Even if the guy is just a new customer, and knows that she has fucked other guys before, seeing one of the guys she has fucked before might be off putting to him and affect how much money she makes.
In short, you follow the girl's lead: she ignores you, you ignore her; she nods at you, you nod at her; she smiles at you, you smile back; she says Hello, you say Hello; she wants to chat, you chat.
[QUOTE=RunMann;2164565]You have no way of knowing if a harmless greeting will lead down the path of despair you've laid out.[/QUOTE]And neither do you. So how about when in doubt, don't?
Instead of reframing my posts as some sort of hysterical overreach, why not explain to us why you need to say anything at all to a working girl who is with another customer? I've asked a few times and so far I haven't seen anything other than your allegiance to behaving like a human being. Ok. So what happens if every customer that lady has ever been with or even been bought a Ladydrink by between her bar, through the plaza and down Sukhumvit to his hotel decides, like you, he must at this very moment express his humanity by saying "hello" to her in front of her current customer (or, as Jimmy Boy pointed out, perhaps her actual boyfriend or significant sponsor)?
Since you proudly assure us you will most certainly continue to make sure her current customer knows you fucked her before he did, how far back in line do you think you'll have to stand while all the other guys she's been with takes his turn saying "hello" to her before they get to his actual hotel room door much less the hotel lobby?
And at which point, how many previous customers saying "hello" to her and her responding enthusiastically about each one (as is most likely hoped for by the "hello" guys) on the way to her hotel do you think it will take before the new guy or the old sponsor realizes this is just too distracting and cancels?
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2164570]
RunMann wants to impose his concept of politeness whether or not it is appropriate, and whether or not is it wanted by the girl
[/QUOTE]Quite the contrary, I am not telling anyone what to do. I am making the point that it is not inappropriate to do, you do as you wish.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2164572]
Instead of reframing my posts as some sort of hysterical overreach, why not explain to us why you "need" to say anything at all to a working girl who is with another customer? [/QUOTE]You are the one reframing here because I never said there was a NEED to say hello, I said that it was not inappropriate to say it or answer the WG if she said hello to you first. I never said it had to be done but I object to the rigidity or rule below that says it must not be done or that it is inappropriate.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2164572]
Since you proudly assure us you will most certainly continue to make sure her current customer knows you fucked her before he did[/QUOTE]
Not my intent to convey any message to him but she is a WG, do you seriously think John does not know that she has been banged before?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2164572]
he must at this very moment express his humanity by saying "hello" to her in front of her current customer (or, as Jimmy Boy pointed out, perhaps her actual boyfriend or significant sponsor)?[/QUOTE]
Reflect on this for a moment, especially the boyfriend or sponsor part, I hope on reflection your take away may change.
[QUOTE=RunMann;2164578]You are the one reframing here because I never said there was a NEED to say Hello, I said that it was not inappropriate to say it or answer the WG if she said Hello, to you first. I never said it had to be done but I object to the rigidity or rule below that says it must not be done or that it is inappropriate.[/QUOTE]I don't know about the "rigid rule" part. That sounds like one of those classic straw man arguments you mentioned. Nobody is saying you should be banished from Thailand forever for interjecting an unsolicited "hello" between a working girl and the man next to her. But unless there is some genuinely compelling reason to do it other than making sure the guy she is with knows you fucked her before, I haven't read it yet.
Note that we are talking about when you say "hello" first and she hasn't said it to you first. You have no idea how benign or not your doing it is. You might stroll through life thinking you are a special exception in saying "hello" to this lady or that lady on a given day or night when in fact you might be the 10th one to do so while she has been sitting next to a man buying her Ladydrinks and deciding whether or not he will barfine her. Or, as mentioned, the live-in boyfriend and/or significant sponsor sitting next to her.
Your "hello" might not even be the straw (speaking of which) that breaks the camel's back when you toss in yours. After all, most other guys she has been with who spied her with someone else would probably know enough to keep their mouths shut and it would not even cross their mind to express their humanity that particular way. But you and a handful of others can still be major contributors even if your "hello" is not the one that finally goes too far.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2164587]I don't know about the "rigid rule" part..[/QUOTE]Scroll back the last two pages to get your answer about how completely inappropriate it is and the consequences one could face for saying hello. No one needs to have a compelling reason or convince you or anyone here why they are doing anything, especially engaging in a courteous and harmless act like saying Hello or acknowledging someone who said it to you first, which in my view needs no explanation. You appear to be a strong advocate defender for/of WGs. I just think your view is skewed on this issue and you're way over protective of them on it thus I am where I am on and you are where you are on it
Your story has become tiresome.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2164527]Here is how I got to that; when an uninvited interloper interjects an unsolicited "hello," into the face of a working girl who is by all evidence working her way toward being fucked by another customer for real money, everyone in this trio and anyone witness to it knows exactly what your message is; "I fucked this one before he did. Hey, it's all good, dude. Hope you enjoy my sloppy seconds."
Now, why would you feel uncontrollably compelled to even risk sending that message to anyone in the P4P game?[/QUOTE]While your argument has valid points, you are over thinking this.
I have had a few situations where I have been with a girl and some guy is trying to get her attention or comes by to say Hello,. I usually ignore him. If the girl says Hello, back, I will usually tell her it is OK if she wants to go with the guy. Both times, the girl has.
Told me, she does not like the man.
I think it looks bad to talk to a girl who is talking to another guy.
Personally, I think it is pretty rude.
But I really don't care. Everyone has a right to do what.
They want.
[QUOTE=RunMann;2164596]No one needs to have a compelling reason or convince you or anyone here why they are doing anything, especially engaging in a courteous and harmless act like saying Hello or acknowledging someone who said it to you first, which in my view needs no explanation.[/QUOTE]I and others agree with you that no explanation is necessary for acknowledging someone who says hello to you first. Not sure why you keep lumping that into the issue when no one is asking why you do that. It is only regarding the part about you saying hello to a P4P girl with another man who has said nothing to you.
We certainly get that you don't "need" to do it by the way you defiantly and repeatedly assured us that you are bound and determined to continue doing it no matter what.
And it isn't critical that you provide an explanation to anyone for the behavior, of course. But maybe those of us who don't do it are missing out on something by not doing it. So that is why I asked.
For my part, I just never felt insecure and needy of attention enough not to abide seeing a former P4P girl with another man without my lobbing a tiny grenade into her lap by saying anything to her first that might mean she will feel it necessary to talk about me or explain anything about me to her other man for the next minute or two while I stroll off with a self-satisfied grin about the possible repercussions no matter how benign they might be.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2164782] I and others agree with you that no explanation is necessary for acknowledging someone who says hello to you first. Not sure why you keep lumping that into the issue when no one is asking why you do that. It is only regarding the part about you saying hello to a P4P girl with another man who has said nothing to you..[/QUOTE]Go back and read the original discussion it is about saying hello to the WG with customer or returning her greeting.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2164782]
We certainly get that you don't "need" to do it by the way you defiantly and repeatedly assured us that you are bound and determined to continue doing it no matter what.[/QUOTE]Who is we, you speak for more than yourself here or are you so incapable formulating your own thoughts coherently you need others to assist you? You dishonestly introduced the "need" word when no one said there was a need. I corrected you on that along with several other misstatement you made like changing the Hello, greeting to a chat when no one said that but you and your conclusion that saying Hello, will negatively affect the WG when you have no proof that it will. I am not convinced by your argument that saying Hello, or returning her greeting when she is with a customer will affect her negatively and you have not shown me otherwise which is why I said I will continue as usual.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2164782]
For my part, I just never felt insecure and needy of attention enough not to abide seeing a former P4P girl with another man without my lobbing a tiny grenade into her lap by saying anything to her first that might mean she will feel it necessary to talk about me or explain anything about me to her other man for the next minute or two while I stroll off with a self-satisfied grin about the possible repercussions no matter how benign they might be..[/QUOTE]The only insecurity and neediness I see is from you and your need to protect WGs. This is about saying hello not lobbying tiny grenades into laps as you deceptively put it, No one but you said that. Changing the narrative does not advance your argument, its dishonest. Not everyone has the same nefarious mind set you are putting forth here, A hello, is a hello, and nothing more and you can't prove otherwise but for you to reach the diabolical conclusion that because someone said hello to the WG with her customer or return her greeting that she will be affected said more about your need to unnecessarily protect WGs.
[QUOTE=RunMann;2164810]Go back and read the original discussion it is about saying hello to the WG with customer or returning her greeting.
Who is we, you speak for more than yourself here or are you so incapable formulating your own thoughts coherently you need others to assist you? You dishonestly introduced the "need" word when no one said there was a need. I corrected you on that along with several other misstatement you made like changing the Hello, greeting to a chat when no one said that but you and your conclusion that saying Hello, will negatively affect the WG when you have no proof that it will. I am not convinced by your argument that saying Hello, or returning her greeting when she is with a customer will affect her negatively and you have not shown me otherwise which is why I said I will continue as usual.
The only insecurity and neediness I see is from you and your need to protect WGs. This is about saying hello not lobbying tiny grenades into laps as you deceptively put it, No one but you said that. Changing the narrative does not advance your argument, its dishonest. Not everyone has the same nefarious mind set you are putting forth here, A hello, is a hello, and nothing more and you can't prove otherwise but for you to reach the diabolical conclusion that because someone said hello to the WG with her customer or return her greeting that she will be affected said more about your need to unnecessarily protect WGs.[/QUOTE]1. Go back and read how many times posters (not only me; we) clarified that we aren't talking about the times a P4P girl with a customer said hello to you first but when you looked into her face and said it to her first. Yet you still include that in your replies as though the only posts you read were the first ones and as if your including that might blur the line in the stark difference between the two.
2. I said "we" because your defiant and repeated assurance that you are bound and determined to continue doing it no matter what was not a reply to me but to other posters. I certainly saw that as a sure sign you are not in any way addicted to the behavior. But you are correct in that I can't be sure anyone else reading those assurances (we) see the same sure signs of no "need" there that I saw.
3. The reason I added the notion that a brief conversation might follow your saying hello first to a P4P girl with another man is there in my posts; you don't know what her reaction will be. She might very well decide that a normal expression of being human when someone she knows says hello to her is to reply with "Oh hi! I was just thinking about you. I'm fine. How are you? Mom, Dad, the kids, the dog and cat doing alright lately? Have you seen Black Panther yet?"
And what will you do IF she wants to take your hello further than either a lone hello back or utter silence on her part? Avert your eyes and ignore the effort? Kind of rude, no?
Then again, if no P4P girl with another man has ever carried on an exchange with you beyond only saying hello back or saying nothing at all, maybe they aren't nearly as interested in sharing this aspect of humanity at this particular moment as you are. And it even could be that she, the man she is with and anyone else witness to the moment fully understands the message and meaning of your looking into her face to say hello first (see my posts) and would rather get past this awkward glitch in the evening ASAP and get back to whatever positive vibe the two them were working on before you arrived on the scene.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2164884]1. Go back and read how many times posters (not only me; we) clarified that we aren't talking about the times a P4P girl with a customer said hello to you first but when you looked into her face and said it to her first. Yet you still include that in your replies as though the only posts you read were the first ones and as if your including that might blur the line in the stark difference between the two.
2. I said "we" because your defiant and repeated assurance that you are bound and determined to continue doing it no matter what was not a reply to me but to other posters. I certainly saw that as a sure sign you are not in any way addicted to the behavior. But you are correct in that I can't be sure anyone else reading those assurances (we) see the same sure signs of no "need" there that I saw.
3. The reason I added the notion that a brief conversation might follow your saying hello first to a P4P girl with another man is there in my posts; you don't know what her reaction will be. She might very well decide that a normal expression of being human when someone she knows says hello to her is to reply with "Oh hi! I was just thinking about you. I'm fine. How are you? Mom, Dad, the kids, the dog and cat doing alright lately? Have you seen Black Panther yet?"
And what will you do IF she wants to take your hello further than either a lone hello back or utter silence on her part? Avert your eyes and ignore the effort? Kind of rude, no?
Then again, if no P4P girl with another man has ever carried on an exchange with you beyond only saying hello back or saying nothing at all, maybe they aren't nearly as interested in sharing this aspect of humanity at this particular moment as you are. And it even could be that she, the man she is with and anyone else witness to the moment fully understands the message and meaning of your looking into her face to say hello first (see my posts) and would rather get past this awkward glitch in the evening ASAP and get back to whatever positive vibe the two them were working on before you arrived on the scene.[/QUOTE]You are loaded with excuses, I call them dishonesty. Your "we" is simply a call for assistance and to assemble an us against me scenario, but the only thing you have convince me of is that I am 100 percent correct and it is appropriate in saying Hello, or returning a greeting to WG who is with a customer so despite your exaggerations, untruths and hysteria and no evidence to support your unfounded, ridiculous WG being harmed claim I will do as I please.
[QUOTE=RunMann;2164902]You are loaded with excuses, I call them dishonesty. Your "we" is simply a call for assistance and to assemble an us against me scenario, but the only thing you have convince me of is that I am 100 percent correct and it is appropriate in saying Hello, or returning a greeting to WG who is with a customer so despite your exaggerations, untruths and hysteria and no evidence to support your unfounded, ridiculous WG being harmed claim I will do as I please.[/QUOTE]Not only are you wrong, but you are belligerently sticking to your guns and insulting people in the process. Run Mann, you are an American.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO-TA2Ckma4[/URL]
Could you please continue this discussion by PM?
[QUOTE=Breadman;2164012]Alright guys, an unspoken rule. See a girl you've been with before and she's going into a hotel elevator with another guy you do not call out to her. That's just the wrong thing to do. It's unlikely she's going to drop a paying customer to go and chat with you. And the guy sure isn't going to like the interruption. Pick the wrong guys at the wrong time and you might get your ass beat.[/QUOTE]I do not think there is a rule for that, spoken or unspoken.
However, should I cross paths with a working girl I know and she is with another man, I will not give her the time of day.
Why? Because being outside her workplace (or work environment if you will) it is very difficult for me to read the situation: Is she Somying the working girl? Or somying the girl trying to have some normal regular time? And how would I know the guy next to her is a customer? What if he is a boyfriend / teacher / relative or whatever? I would 100% respect her right to privacy and let her (since she is with the unknown third party) be the one to initiate.
I would expect the same courtesy from her if the roles were reversed and I was walking at the mall with another girl.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2164916]Not only are you wrong, but you are belligerently sticking to your guns and insulting people in the process. Run Mann, you are an American.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO-TA2Ckma4[/URL][/QUOTE]I am wrong because I disagree with you? Brilliant, You don't get to tell me what is appropriate because I don't live my life to your standard so you are wrong, now what?
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2164931]I do not think there is a rule for that, spoken or unspoken.
However, should I cross paths with a working girl I know and she is with another man, I will not give her the time of day.
Why? Because being outside her workplace (or work environment if you will) it is very difficult for me to read the situation: Is she Somying the working girl? Or somying the girl trying to have some normal regular time? And how would I know the guy next to her is a customer? What if he is a boyfriend / teacher / relative or whatever? I would 100% respect her right to privacy and let her (since she is with the unknown third party) be the one to initiate.
I would expect the same courtesy from her if the roles were reversed and I was walking at the mall with another girl.[/QUOTE]Not taking sides I could have gone both ways because there isn't really a right or wrong way personally I've been doing the don't know you thing but this got to be the best fucking answer so far! That is why he is the NicFrenchy wearing all those designers clothing in Bangkok. Man you good!
[QUOTE=RunMann;2164949]I am wrong because I disagree with you? Brilliant, You don't get to tell me what is appropriate because I don't live my life to your standard so you are wrong, now what?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't 3/4 of the girls I meet so not a problem for me! I don't know why any one would bother to be perfectly honest and I am guessing unless you have a regular arrangement with the girl they don't care either.
My hobby is finding and f at cking as many girls as I can not make as many friends as I can with working girls.
My 2 cents worth.
Rob.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2164955]I wouldn't 3/4 of the girls I meet so not a problem for me! I don't know why any one would bother to be perfectly honest and I am guessing unless you have a regular arrangement with the girl they don't care either.
My hobby is finding and f at cking as many girls as I can not make as many friends as I can with working girls.
My 2 cents worth.
Rob.[/QUOTE]Hi to you Rob, and I will tell you my objection is to someone telling me it's inappropriate to return a courtesy to a WG who is with a customer or me saying a quick Hello when she is with her customer. You're probably correct that most people would not even greet them under those circumstances and most girls would probably not either but to excoriated someone who says Hello, under those circumstances and says it's inappropriate and get so dramatic about it is over the top hysteria.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2164931]I do not think there is a rule for that, spoken or unspoken.
However, should I cross paths with a working girl I know and she is with another man, I will not give her the time of day.
Why? Because being outside her workplace (or work environment if you will) it is very difficult for me to read the situation: Is she Somying the working girl? Or somying the girl trying to have some normal regular time? And how would I know the guy next to her is a customer? What if he is a boyfriend / teacher / relative or whatever? I would 100% respect her right to privacy and let her (since she is with the unknown third party) be the one to initiate.
I would expect the same courtesy from her if the roles were reversed and I was walking at the mall with another girl.[/QUOTE]Best response I have read here.
FWIW, a few years ago now I was having lunch with my barfine one day and she whispered to me that the girl sitting at a nearby table was her friend who worked in her bar. I noted they were ignoring each other and I commented on it and she said (I am paraphrasing) that they have an understanding that they don't greet each other in such circumstances because it might cause a problem. She also giggled to me that she had been with the guy her friend was with too. He didn't seem to recognize my girl but perhaps he was playing dumb too.
This thread reminded me of this funny scenario. Everybody studiously ignoring each other despite knowing each other.
[QUOTE=RedKilt;2164978]Best response I have read here.
FWIW, a few years ago now I was having lunch with my barfine one day and she whispered to me that the girl sitting at a nearby table was her friend who worked in her bar. I noted they were ignoring each other and I commented on it and she said (I am paraphrasing) that they have an understanding that they don't greet each other in such circumstances because it might cause a problem. She also giggled to me that she had been with the guy her friend was with too. He didn't seem to recognize my girl but perhaps he was playing dumb too.
This thread reminded me of this funny scenario. Everybody studiously ignoring each other despite knowing each other.[/QUOTE]A monger with proper upbringing will never greet a working girl who is with another monger. Not everyone is aware of good manners or common courtesy.
This could easily be turned around where the monger might not be comfortable being greeted by a WG during the day. Some might be mongering on the hush hush, like going for quickies while the wife / GF is asleep or out shopping. Like many have said there is no hard and fast rule, just feel out the situation and decide whether at that point in time it would be appropriate.
For example if you see her with a kid in tow or with people hat look like they could be her parents or relatives, maybe try being discreet about it. Or if she's hanging off the arm of someone who looks like her BF, maybe try not to cause any drama.
[QUOTE=ParisMontana;2164429]Hi guys,
Total newbie here, just discovered the forum. Wanted to say thank you to everyone who participates and gives good information. Before writing this, I read about a years worth of the forum and really appreciates everyone who helps out this community.
Here are my experience in Bangkok in 2017 (two trips of 2-night layovers. So still semi-current).[/QUOTE]Nice reports Montana, thanks contributing back to the forum. I think your subsequent questions might have been swamped by the kerfuffle over what to do when two WGs meet. I'm afraid I can't answer your specific questions, but I'm just giving your message a little bump to try to get someone to answer it.
[QUOTE=ParisMontana;2164432]Hi,
1. I am going to BKK again next weekend, with a friend and his wife. She is kind of adventurous, not a prude, but not crazy either. She wants to go to a "lady show". Where should I take her? I saw many couples in Billboard, but its not really a show. Angelwitch would have been my answer but the girls were pretty bad and lackluster last time (like 3's). I remember in 2010, seeing some really cool shit and costumes and pseudo lesbian stuff, but it was nothing like that in 2017.
2. As you can probably tell in my previous post, I do like myself the Russian / CIS type. I gave my experiences on where to find them, does anyone have any other bars or clubs for freelancers? Someone mentioned Shock39, how is that place? (Please don't hate, I go to BKK because my work has me in South / South East Asia and I can go easily for a weekend. Otherwise, I'the be in Kiev).
Eurasians I also love half Asian Thais (as you can probably tell from my first post). Any place I can find escort agencies, freelance bars, or clubs where these type of girls congregate?
3. I thank the forum for a lot of information on massage / soapies. However, I have this weird thing where I like to go to "normal" massage places and see if a HJ / BJ is offered. That feeling when you are uncertain and then she starts suggestively rubbing is super hot. Is there an area that has a lot of legit places (where normal tourists would go in) but is not staffed by total trolls? I can imagine a response like "yeah, that area is called Bangkok" but I've walked around a lot in Sukhumvit and Patpong and usually only see obvious places (that cost more than a bar girl) or just straight big old ladies. I'm not looking for stunners, but something that doesn't disgust.
4. On my first day, I fly in at 5:30 am, probably get to my hotel near Nana at 6:30 am. I doubt I'll be able to check in. Anything naughty I could do at 7 am? I'the love to find a place with a decent two hour massage, play around a bit, then get breakfast and pray for a 10 am check in.
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[QUOTE=ParisMontana;2164432]Hi,
1. I am going to BKK again next weekend, with a friend and his wife. She is kind of adventurous, not a prude, but not crazy either. She wants to go to a "lady show". Where should I take her? I saw many couples in Billboard, but its not really a show. Angelwitch would have been my answer but the girls were pretty bad and lackluster last time (like 3's). I remember in 2010, seeing some really cool shit and costumes and pseudo lesbian stuff, but it was nothing like that in 2017.
Cheers![/QUOTE]Not sure what you are chasing for a Lady show. In Patpong there are some ping pong shows but they are a bit dodgy about pricing and are a bit of a scam. There is also a S&M club that I took my wife to there. They had a show and the girls got naked and friendly after.
[QUOTE=ParisMontana;2164432]Hi,
1. I am going to BKK again next weekend, with a friend and his wife. She is kind of adventurous, not a prude, but not crazy either. She wants to go to a "lady show". Where should I take her? I saw many couples in Billboard, but its not really a show. Angelwitch would have been my answer but the girls were pretty bad and lackluster last time (like 3's). I remember in 2010, seeing some really cool shit and costumes and pseudo lesbian stuff, but it was nothing like that in 2017.
4. On my first day, I fly in at 5:30 am, probably get to my hotel near Nana at 6:30 am. I doubt I'll be able to check in. Anything naughty I could do at 7 am? I'the love to find a place with a decent two hour massage, play around a bit, then get breakfast and pray for a 10 am check in.
[/QUOTE]A "lady show" could mean anything. "Really cool shit"??? You should specify if you want Patpong style freak show (I hate these - e.g. cigarette or firing darts) or something more sensual. Suzie Wong used to have a great Lesbo show and other sensual shows like showering, rubbing oil on naked girls, etc., but not sure if it is still going. Should be, but I don't attend any more since the take over, and all my girls left. Not sure where best lesbian show is right now.
There are Massage places with 24 hours operation, although not sure if you can take massage at their shop early in morning. Bars in Soi 4 of Sukhumvit open at 10 am I guess. Other MPs open at 10 am.
[QUOTE=ParisMontana;2164432]
4. On my first day, I fly in at 5:30 am, probably get to my hotel near Nana at 6:30 am. I doubt I'll be able to check in. Anything naughty I could do at 7 am? I'the love to find a place with a decent two hour massage, play around a bit, then get breakfast and pray for a 10 am check in.[/QUOTE]In most hotels you are always able to check in if they have a room available. And it's not high season now so most likely your hotel is not full.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2165392]In most hotels you are always able to check in if they have a room available. And it's not high season now so most likely your hotel is not full.[/QUOTE]Some hotels make it a point not to check-in guests before 12 noon. Why? Because their policy is most likely a 2 pm check-in and 12 noon check-out.
If you know you are arriving early, you can always arrange for the hotel to prepare your room for an Early check-in and most would charge you anywhere between 500-1000 thb.
Some hotels would even give it to you for free if you stay long (3+ nights) or in one of their upgraded rooms.
All it takes sometimes is to ask.
A thing to try: check the price on websites like Agoda and [URL]Booking.com[/URL], then send this to the hotel and ask them if they would give you free early check-in if you make the booking direct to the hotel. These days, hotels pay between 15 20% commission to these third party websites so the hotel would be saving a lot of money too. Everyone happy. Best is to talk to a manager for this, most regular staff are oblivious to these.
[QUOTE=Kumbu;2165175]I'm just giving your message a little bump to try to get someone to answer it.[/QUOTE]Really appreciate that and the suggestions for hotels.
As for "cool show", I guess something X rated but not raunchy. I keep bringing up Angelwitch in 2010, which I remember it being a whole production with costumes, masks, and acting- like gothic Shakespeare with bad acting and sex toys. Not sure how open she really is, but the fact she's happy to check it out makes it interesting.
I will post after my trip- will continue to have open eyes for CIS but am looking at some places for freelancers at places not often mentioned here like Oskar or Levels.
I remember back in 2010, we were at "Bed Supper Club", which has since closed. My friend hit it off with a real classy looking Thai girl at the bar. She looked like the type whose parents had money to send her to boarding school in Switzerland. We all had a great night and he left with her. He told me the next morning, she wanted 700 baht. He was shocked, her purse was probably worth double that in dollars ($1 k+) She said "Entrance to the club- 500. My taxi there and home- 200. I let you sleep with me, the night should cost me nothing".
I get it, just funny how that mindset works. Anyways- the point of this story is that maybe a "nice place" will have girls with different mentality than the girls you find in go-gos.
Cheers.
[QUOTE=ParisMontana;2165427]Really appreciate that and the suggestions for hotels.
As for "cool show", I guess something X rated but not raunchy. [/QUOTE]In my country X rated means pornographic, so is generally also "raunchy" in the very least, if in a sexy type of X rated. X rated can also be excessively gruesome. Naked girls is not quite X rated where I come from. That is just naked. Maybe spread wide pussy is X rated (and raunchy).
The extremely freaky Pat Pong style shows, include eggs or ping pong balls popping out of pussy, darts fired by pussy power, and pussy smoking cigarettes, as examples. Some Cowboy bars have them. They are not "cool" for me, but are X rated and pornographic, but definitely not sexy for me, which maybe makes them "not really raunchy" to my way of thinking. Others might call them raunchy. Raunchy is a vague term with several possible meanings.
I prefer lesbian show, beer show, oil show, and shower shows, that are naked and erotic, with only the lesbian show perhaps considered really raunchy and X rated. Suzie Wong used to have both the erotic shows and the freak shows, but I don't know if they all stayed under the new management. I don't know if Angel Witch shows these days are that erotic or not, but probably involve at least nudity when costumes come off.
Crazy House has some freak shows done by fat and ugly girls. Long Gun used to (maybe still does). Baccara used to have a lesbian show but not up to same standard as Suzie Wong. Unfortunately much of my information is out of date, not attending the relevant bars recently.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2165793]Baccara used to have a lesbian show but not up to same standard as Suzie Wong.[/QUOTE]The best lesbian show ever was the one at Hollywood (now billboard) in Nana back in the early 2000's. 12 girls on stage at one time going at it (although they were paired off in 6 pairs most of the show). At one point in the show, they formed a circle in human centipede position and each girl put a dildo in her teeth and inserted it in the girl in front of her's pussy and went back and forth. It was friggin awesome.
"Our Place" (or was it called "My Place") across from Baccara used to have a rocking lesbian show in the mid 2000's. Those 2 girls who did that show were hot as hell. And the lesbian show in the mid to late 2000's at the bar that used to be called some Egyptian name (I think it's called Light or Lighthouse now) was also awesome.
Long Gun and Rawhide still have pretty good shows, but I haven't seen any shows as good as they used to have. The Rawhide shower show can be interesting if the girls are drunk and start licking each other's pussies. I used to love the shower show at G-Spot in Nana back in the early 2000's. I don't know if Suzie Wong still has shows because I never really liked that place so I rarely go in there. Too dirty. They did have a good lesbian show though as well. The shows at CH are pretty much garbage.
I had decided to stay at the Nana Hotel for my first 6 nights back, based upon so many people on here saying how great it was. It IS a great location, though my beloved Majestic Suites is probably almost as near from front door to entrance. The pool is nice, something Majestic Suites DOESN'T have. The breakfast is decent. But other than that it's pretty much a shit hole. The bed is hard as a rock, the rooms are old. So old that the electricity isn't always working in these outlets. The hall smells like. Like an old hotel. And it's LOUD outside my window. Very overrated. And as far as the 'little' things. A key on a holder that's as big as a dildo, no BEIN Sports Channels (Majestic has like 5 or 6 of them. Football all day and night if you like from all over the world), no Chinese Classic movie channels, outdated toliet. Ah well. At least I have a pool.
I went out for a walk around 6 pm. I notice a petite deaf girl standing in front of the Nana Hotel sign. She's sexy in that 'homeless little street ho' way, but I decide to walk a bit and look around. I make my way back to Nana after about an hour. It was sort of starting up. Eager beavers ready to get some early action. They've torn down the middle section, which I never much utilized anyway, so it's easier to see all of the different bars that are actually there. I pop my head in Lollipops, looking for someone specific who isn't there (October through April can be LONG time in the go-go bar business) and Bangkok Bunnies, but not much going on. I'm really not all THAT interested in paying 700 Bar Fine and 3500 Short Time. Suddenly a girl catches my eye outside of (I'm pretty sure it was Mandarin). There are a lot of ladyboys lurking about, so at first I'm not sure if.
Well she smiles and I walk over and say Hi. She drags me in of course, and I straight out ask, "Is this a ladyboy bar?" She says, "No no no", and I guess the look on my face says, "Are you sure?" because she pulls my hand down to her crotch and says, "Here check!" We have a nice little conversation, as I buy her and myself a drink (She only wants a Coke! As the old vultures surround us ("Buy me a drink!" - dismissed with a simple shake of my head), followed by the of course now impatient older head vulture ("You barfine her? I plead, "Can you give me chance to talk to her first. For just like 5 minutes?
Her name if FON, pronounced like FAWN, and she is FAW-INE as hell, but she tells me barfine is 1400, and I feign a heart attack. On top of 3500 for Short Time. She has to get up on stage, right in front of me and those long legs, oh those fking long legs, and tight belly. "I'll come back", I sensibly lie. I think I've graduated to being more selective. Thank god, and I don't regret passing it up at all. Though she WAS FINE. Who knows, maybe I had hard-on eyes.
So I end up being rewarded for my patience, as I'm going down the steps on the other side not but 5 minutes later and I see this cute, petite girl, still in her street clothes, who is just adorable. She notices me gawking and strikes up a conversation. She decides we can have a go before work to save me on her barfine, and I get her to take 2500. I don't want to say her name or what bar she works at, as I don't want any possibility of her getting shit for it, and I figure one day I MAY want a second go round.
(Continued).
Afterwards I notice the SW's lined up in front of the Nana Hotel sign. The deaf girl I saw earlier is walking off with some guy. Good. I'm not done walking around. I decide to head down to Soi Cowboy. It's humid, but good for me, though I take that temporary relief through the underground tunnel to come up on the other side of Soi 23. It's after 9 now, and it's not very busy. The quality of Coyote's isn't very good, so I'm not tempted to be stupid. I take a walk through Shark Bar, it looks ok I guess. I buy a water before going into Baccara, and luckily get a seat at the low end of the stage, ready to sit and just admire the brief glimpse's of mons venus' for bit as I cool off drinking water.
But then I see an AMAZING girl! I'm not even going to describe her, or go into detail. I just knew I had to leave. I DON'T want to pay 4000+ for this. I don't care how hot I think she is. (Though I tell myself, "I'll come back and see her some other day", just to make myself feel better). I go to Crazy Horse of course, and as I said, none of these places are THAT busy, so I get a seat right next to the stage steps, and wait for someone to bug me to buy a water. But no one does. It's really weird, but, no one hassled me in Crazy Horse, and it had a weird air to it. For one thing, HALF the girls had outfits on (which sucks), and in the midst of looking around to make sure one of my ex-regulars wasn't there, not ONE girl, waitress, or house mom said a word to me. Not used to that THERE. And the quality of girls was. Ok.
Finally I headed back to my hotel, on foot. And I forgot to mention. I stopped in Thermae on the way to Soi Cowboy, and stop in there now on the way back. It is PACKED with girls. On my way back in, I tell the guy just inside the door, "I went out to smoke, my water is over there", and he waves me past. Did I mention it's PACKED? This really cute innocent looking girl, who looks barely 18, in a full puffy white shirt and long light blue skirt down to her ankles, is leaving with some guy and I'm happy for her for some reason. I don't even talk to anyone, though a few not so great gals pull at my sleeve.
I brave the humidity again and head home, ignoring the black girls and think, maybe I'll hit a club late night or something. As I get back, I see the deaf girl again in front of the Nana Hotel sign. But instead, I talk to another really petite girl standing close by, who also turns out to be deaf. She wants 1500, and I say, let's go. Or. Ya know. Motion to her. What's the odds of talking to two different deaf girls? This one is really sweet. Not as pretty as some of the go go girls, but really nice, and kind of almost shy, with a great little body. Her name is FISH, which seems a bit strange in this line of work, but she's little and a real trooper.
Afterwards's I kick back to watch some obscure original language Chinese movie from the 70's to fall asleep to, but. Oh, yeah, they don't have that here!
[QUOTE=SexInStl;2165942]I had decided to stay at the Nana Hotel for my first 6 nights back, based upon so many people on here saying how great it was. It IS a great location, though my beloved Majestic Suites is probably almost as near from front door to entrance. The pool is nice, something Majestic Suites DOESN'T have. The breakfast is decent. But other than that it's pretty much a shit hole. The bed is hard as a rock, the rooms are old. So old that the electricity isn't always working in these outlets. The hall smells like. Like an old hotel. And it's LOUD outside my window. Very overrated. And as far as the 'little' things. A key on a holder that's as big as a dildo, no BEIN Sports Channels (Majestic has like 5 or 6 of them. Football all day and night if you like from all over the world), no Chinese Classic movie channels, outdated toliet. Ah well. At least I have a pool.
I went out for a walk around 6 pm. I notice a petite deaf girl standing in front of the Nana Hotel sign. She's sexy in that 'homeless little street ho' way, but I decide to walk a bit and look around. I make my way back to Nana after about an hour. It was sort of starting up. Eager beavers ready to get some early action. They've torn down the middle section, which I never much utilized anyway, so it's easier to see all of the different bars that are actually there. I pop my head in Lollipops, looking for someone specific who isn't there (October through April can be LONG time in the go-go bar business) and Bangkok Bunnies, but not much going on. I'm really not all THAT interested in paying 700 Bar Fine and 3500 Short Time. Suddenly a girl catches my eye outside of (I'm pretty sure it was Mandarin). There are a lot of ladyboys lurking about, so at first I'm not sure if..[/QUOTE]Nice writing. Like in a Marguerite Duras novel or in a piece by Elias Canetti, you immerse the reader in the setting. Add height and weight data on your pick if you will. Tiny is appreciated.
Hey Mongers,
I'm traveling to Thailand with my wife. She just wanted to experience a gogo bar. We are mainly looking for a strip show with cute girl. Can anyone please recommend a couple friendly place where my wife will be welcomed and will not be made to feel uncomfortable by creepy men?
TIA.
[QUOTE=SexInStl;2165943]Afterwards I notice the SW's lined up in front of the Nana Hotel sign. The deaf girl I saw earlier is walking off with some guy. Good. I'm not done walking around. I decide to head down to Soi Cowboy. It's humid, but good for me, though I take that temporary relief through the underground tunnel to come up on the other side of Soi 23. It's after 9 now, and it's not very busy. The quality of Coyote's isn't very good, so I'm not tempted to be stupid. I take a walk through Shark Bar, it looks ok I guess. I buy a water before going into Baccara, and luckily get a seat at the low end of the stage, ready to sit and just admire the brief glimpse's of mons venus' for bit as I cool off drinking water.
But then I see an AMAZING girl! I'm not even going to describe her, or go into detail. I just knew I had to leave. I DON'T want to pay 4000+ for this. I don't care how hot I think she is. (Though I tell myself, "I'll come back and see her some other day", just to make myself feel better). I go to Crazy Horse of course, and as I said, none of these places are THAT busy, so I get a seat right next to the stage steps, and wait for someone to bug me to buy a water. But no one does. It's really weird, but, no one hassled me in Crazy Horse, and it had a weird air to it. For one thing, HALF the girls had outfits on (which sucks), and in the midst of looking around to make sure one of my ex-regulars wasn't there, not ONE girl, waitress, or house mom said a word to me. Not used to that THERE. And the quality of girls was. Ok.
Finally I headed back to my hotel, on foot. And I forgot to mention. I stopped in Thermae on the way to Soi Cowboy, and stop in there now on the way back. It is PACKED with girls. On my way back in, I tell the guy just inside the door, "I went out to smoke, my water is over there", and he waves me past. Did I mention it's PACKED? This really cute innocent looking girl, who looks barely 18, in a full puffy white shirt and long light blue skirt down to her ankles, is leaving with some guy and I'm happy for her for some reason. I don't even talk to anyone, though a few not so great gals pull at my sleeve.
I brave the humidity again and head home, ignoring the black girls and think, maybe I'll hit a club late night or something. As I get back, I see the deaf girl again in front of the Nana Hotel sign. But instead, I talk to another really petite girl standing close by, who also turns out to be deaf. She wants 1500, and I say, let's go. Or. Ya know. Motion to her. What's the odds of talking to two different deaf girls? This one is really sweet. Not as pretty as some of the go go girls, but really nice, and kind of almost shy, with a great little body. Her name is FISH, which seems a bit strange in this line of work, but she's little and a real trooper.
Afterwards's I kick back to watch some obscure original language Chinese movie from the 70's to fall asleep to, but. Oh, yeah, they don't have that here![/QUOTE]Great reporting. I came across a YouTube video somewhere that briefly mentioned a few freelancers who also happened to be deaf that always hang out in front of the Nana sign. That video was slightly dated, maybe two years old, but I wonder if they are the same girls. I think the deaf prefer to hang around their own kind which also makes communication easier among themselves. So, how do you end up communicating with the deaf girl?
[QUOTE=KoolGuy85;2165953]Hey Mongers,
I'm traveling to Thailand with my wife. She just wanted to experience a gogo bar. We are mainly looking for a strip show with cute girl. Can anyone please recommend a couple friendly place where my wife will be welcomed and will not be made to feel uncomfortable by creepy men?
TIA.[/QUOTE]I doubt any men will pay any attention to your wife. Go to any gogo bar and enjoy. However, I would recommend Angel Witch in Nana Square. They have the most interesting shows as far as what a woman might find interesting.
[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2165956]Great reporting. I came across a YouTube video somewhere that briefly mentioned a few freelancers who also happened to be deaf that always hang out in front of the Nana sign. That video was slightly dated, maybe two years old, but I wonder if they are the same girls. I think the deaf prefer to hang around their own kind which also makes communication easier among themselves. So, how do you end up communicating with the deaf girl?[/QUOTE]Translate app on our phones!
[QUOTE=KoolGuy85;2165953]Hey Mongers,
I'm traveling to Thailand with my wife. She just wanted to experience a gogo bar. We are mainly looking for a strip show with cute girl. Can anyone please recommend a couple friendly place where my wife will be welcomed and will not be made to feel uncomfortable by creepy men?
TIA.[/QUOTE]How old is she, is she hot? Everyone gets look at in Thailand and some men may even say smile at her or worst say hello to her. Question is how uncomfortable will you be if this happens? Lots of creepy men in Nana but if you are a cool guy and both have a sense of humor you both will be fine.
[QUOTE=ParisMontana;2164432] 2. As you can probably tell in my previous post, I do like myself the Russian / CIS type. I gave my experiences on where to find them, does anyone have any other bars or clubs for freelancers? Someone mentioned Shock39, how is that place? (Please don't hate, I go to BKK because my work has me in South / South East Asia and I can go easily for a weekend. Otherwise, I'the be in Kiev).
4. On my first day, I fly in at 5:30 am, probably get to my hotel near Nana at 6:30 am. I doubt I'll be able to check in. Anything naughty I could do at 7 am? I'the love to find a place with a decent two hour massage, play around a bit, then get breakfast and pray for a 10 am check in.
Cheers![/QUOTE]Regarding Shock 39 and Russian/CIS talent, go through my FRs and I think you'll get sufficient information. Also, as another senior mentioned, ask your hotel and you may be able to get early check-in. I've been able to check in at around 7-7.30 in the morning on numerous occasions. Depends upon a bunch of factors such as how accomodating/friendly the staff is (usually not a problem in case of 4-5* properties), the category of the room you are staying in (better chances of early check-in/late check-out if you are staying in an executive suite or such like), duration of stay (obviously, longer the better), how frequently you stay at that property etc. Ask and you may be pleasantly surprised. Cheers!
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2165918]The best lesbian show ever was the one at Hollywood (now billboard) in Nana back in the early 2000's. 12 girls on stage at one time going at it (although they were paired off in 6 pairs most of the show). At one point in the show, they formed a circle in human centipede position and each girl put a dildo in her teeth and inserted it in the girl in front of her's pussy and went back and forth. It was friggin awesome.
"Our Place" (or was it called "My Place") across from Baccara used to have a rocking lesbian show in the mid 2000's. Those 2 girls who did that show were hot as hell. And the lesbian show in the mid to late 2000's at the bar that used to be called some Egyptian name (I think it's called Light or Lighthouse now) was also awesome.
Long Gun and Rawhide still have pretty good shows, but I haven't seen any shows as good as they used to have. The Rawhide shower show can be interesting if the girls are drunk and start licking each other's pussies. I used to love the shower show at G-Spot in Nana back in the early 2000's. I don't know if Suzie Wong still has shows because I never really liked that place so I rarely go in there. Too dirty. They did have a good lesbian show though as well. The shows at CH are pretty much garbage.[/QUOTE]The DP show in Carnival when it first opened in the early '00's was pretty amazing as well. 2 gals with strap-ONS would have it at with another gal.
[QUOTE=ParisMontana;2164432]4. On my first day, I fly in at 5:30 am, probably get to my hotel near Nana at 6:30 am. I doubt I'll be able to check in. Anything naughty I could do at 7 am? I'the love to find a place with a decent two hour massage, play around a bit, then get breakfast and pray for a 10 am check in.[/QUOTE]Not sure this will help, but a couple of years ago back when there was a Starbucks at the corner of soi 5 and Sukhumvit, there were several SWs out until 8:30 am or so. There were some serious lookers there too (I think I wrote a report about this observation, not sure). But if you end up with no fixed plans for that early hour, take a cruise around that part of Suk and see what pops up. You might be pleasantly surprised.
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4. On my first day, I fly in at 5:30 am, probably get to my hotel near Nana at 6:30 am. I doubt I'll be able to check in. Anything naughty I could do at 7 am? I'the love to find a place with a decent two hour massage, play around a bit, then get breakfast and pray for a 10 am check in.[/QUOTE]I fully understand your desire to get something going as soon as you arrive. We all have that desire.
At least half of the time I fly over Europe from the US to SE Asia so like you, I arrive between 5:30 am and 8 am. I don't mind these early daybreak arrivals because I have learned to throttle down my excitement level temporarily so as to acclimate to BKK time. Thus, I check into my hotel (early if possible), get some breakfast, and then rest and relax by the hotel pool until normal BKK wakes up. So, by 10 am the malls are open and I go buy a sim card and a few other essential items. By 11 am I have usually checked into my hotel and by noon the massage parlors begin to open as the girls slowly begin to arrive. I have now acclimated myself to BKK time. Let the good times roll!
The other half of the time I fly trans pacific from the USA so I arrive in SE Asia between 6 pm and 10 pm. I have no problems on these night time flight arrivals unless the flight arrives very late because even though I am tired from a 22 plus hour flight the adrenaline kicks in, I am too excited for sleep, and I want to get it on, so I check in to my hotel as fast as possible, take a quick shower and then either I have prearranged for one of my favorite regular girl or girls to come by for reunion party party or I go out to Go Go land if it is still early enough or if later I hit the bars.
But back to your early morning situation: if you can't wait for 12 o'clock noon, which is a mistake IMHO because you should never rush things in LOS or go against the flow, but if you absolutely can't wait, ha ha, then I suggest you try to prearrange a "date" on one of the social media sights with a girl (FL or escort) to hook up at her apartment. This plan is far from foolproof. So many things can leave you high and dry and probably will, but this is your best shot of shagging someone decent at that time in the morning when you are without a room and don't know any girls. Of course, you can always walk around and see what is still available on the sois from the night before and check into a short time hotel with your find, but most of the talent still left around at that time of day is pretty low, although you might get lucky and spot a diamond in the rough, or not care who you find. 555. I would prefer to wait until noon/1pm.
In any case, I look forward to reading your trip report to see how you make out. Good will hunting.
NB.
[QUOTE=Kumbu;2166202]Not sure this will help, but a couple of years ago back when there was a Starbucks at the corner of soi 5 and Sukhumvit, there were several SWs out until 8:30 am or so. There were some serious lookers there too (I think I wrote a report about this observation, not sure). But if you end up with no fixed plans for that early hour, take a cruise around that part of Suk and see what pops up. You might be pleasantly surprised.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. That is a big time Lady Boy zone. Could be relatively few real girls, but I never checked at that hour, naturally.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2164955]I don't know why any one would bother to be perfectly honest and I am guessing unless you have a regular arrangement with the girl they don't care either.
[/QUOTE]Right on. If we see a girl with another guy (whether customer or not- not always easy to tell), but she does not acknowledge us at all, there is clearly no need to go say Hello,. There is a very impolite Thai word to describe this: "seuak" which basically refers to someone not minding his own business.
Could be the girl is with a sponser that does not know she is still working as a hooker.
If we see a girl apparently alone, still care is needed re who might be observing what is going on (or about to reappear. Could be her mother as I mentioned who does not know the daughter associates with dubious Farangs). I always advise: look for a sign of encouragement by the girl before approaching her, and even then no point unless you know her well. If she is clearly receptive, then decide for yourself if there is any point to going to say Hello, or just ignore her.
I have seen girls trying to avoid me seeing them. I certainly take the hint.
[QUOTE=Kumbu;2166202]Not sure this will help, but a couple of years ago back when there was a Starbucks at the corner of soi 5 and Sukhumvit, there were several SWs out until 8:30 am or so. There were some serious lookers there too (I think I wrote a report about this observation, not sure). But if you end up with no fixed plans for that early hour, take a cruise around that part of Suk and see what pops up. You might be pleasantly surprised.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2166304]Ha ha. That is a big time Lady Boy zone. Could be relatively few real girls, but I never checked at that hour, naturally.[/QUOTE]There was a Starbucks at the corner of Soi 5 and Sukhumvit? Where the McDonald's is now? When was that? Can't recall it.
Anyway, most of the time there are SWs on Sukhumvit between Soi 3 and 5 in the morning. However quality is low usually.
Some of them are LBs indeed but they tend to gather at / around the little terrrace of the McDonald's in the evening.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2166343]There was a Starbucks at the corner of Soi 5 and Sukhumvit? Where the McDonald's is now? When was that? Can't recall it.
Anyway, most of the time there are SWs on Sukhumvit between Soi 3 and 5 in the morning. However quality is low usually.
Some of them are LBs indeed but they tend to gather at / around the little terrrace of the McDonald's in the evening.[/QUOTE]Yes you are absolutely right. I never went in because it's a Mc Donalds (not Starbucks right on the corner). They may serve coffee too. Comment about Ladyboys zone still applies.
There was some sort of pub/restaurant on the other corner (not sure if still there) and maybe a tailor very close by.
There is a Starbucks very close by though, even if not right on the corner. Can't be more than a few shops away between Soi 3 and Soi 5. Still a major ladyboy zone and was a black girl zone at one time as well. Not sure if ladyboys hang inside Starbucks, but certainly inside the Maccas as well as outside.
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Decided to give the other deaf girl a go. Her name is Pon.
If you like really small petite girls, she's also 1500.
A dead fish in bed, she pretty much wants you to pound away and get it over with.
But man, what a hot, little natural body, and tiny punami.
And I'm not going to name names, but I've gotten offered BBFS twice since I've been here, which is more than I had it offered in the other four visits to BKK combined.
If that's your thing, apparently this is the market right now for it. The economy is tough and the competition is fierce.
[QUOTE=SexInStl;2166422]Decided to give the other deaf girl a go. Her name is Pon.
If you like really small petite girls, she's also 1500.
A dead fish in bed, she pretty much wants you to pound away and get it over with.
But man, what a hot, little natural body, and tiny punami.
And I'm not going to name names, but I've gotten offered BBFS twice since I've been here, which is more than I had it offered in the other four visits to BKK combined.
If that's your thing, apparently this is the market right now for it. The economy is tough and the competition is fierce.[/QUOTE]I can combine both topics from an experience I had taking one of those deaf girls in front of Nana parking lot last week. My first one. And probably the last. Don't remember her name but it wasn't Pon. Also petite and a cute smile. I was just passing by and she caught my eye.
She had a small writing pad with something like "sex for money. 1500 baht 1 hour" written in pencil on it. Maybe her phone battery was low.
More curious to see how this would go with one of those girls than anything else, I used Google Translate to ask if her pussy was shaved. Yes. I gave her a thumbs up for that. Then I typed "Will it be good sex? No condom ok?" Without hesitation she flipped her little writing pad to the next blank page and wrote "2500". I loved the novel negotiation style so much I said ok and we went up to Sukhumvit to get a taxi.
That was where things began to go down hill. Zero chemistry in the taxi. I understand many Thai girls are not going to get lovey dovey in a taxi but will warm up in the room. But that isn't the way it was this time. Like yours, she was a total dead fish. All of her smiles, fun flirtiness and focused attention she exhibited on the soi to convince me to take her had evaporated. She kept her lips pursed and gave the head turn. There was no chance of even Shallow French Kissing much less DFK. A real turn off. After getting a Yes on a shaved pussy and BBFS, I totally forgot to negotiate for DFK. LOL. Oh well.
Sure enough, she did lay there and was available for BBFS if you are anxious to hone your necrophilia skills. But it was really quite a dreary task for me.
I will not repeat. And I feel my Nana parking lot deaf girl curiosity has been satisfied.
Writing this at 10:30 because my night is over. Had enough fun for one day.
Had to go into town this afternoon, about a 40 minute walk each way. And kept thinking I would at some point get a tuk tuk or taxi, but made it the whole way. So when I started getting water shot at me as I made my way down Soi 4, it was a welcome relief! The whole street was full of people shooting water at each other. (It's the New Year's Holiday Songkran, apparently). One of the girls grabbed me and shoved her tongue down my throat and said "Happy New Year! She convinced me to stay and I bought a super soaker to get in on the act, but she wasn't too keen on this, and got real possessive. So when she turned her back, I made a beeline for my hotel. She was no prize catch or anything, but it was only fun at first.
There are a couple of cute regular FL'ers out front of the Nana sign. And in particular there's a thin one in a form fitting black dress, that I keep making eye contact with, but still haven't pulled the trigger. She's usually with another girl, also in a tight black form fitting dress, but the one I like looks a bit younger and a little less sure of herself. I was thinking I might tonight. Get it out f the way so I can get some work done, but I decided to go walk around Nana first.
Lollipops was disappointing. What happened to this place over the last few months? Back in October they had a few great looking stand outs, but I've seen nothing this time. So out of habit I go into Bangkok Bunnies. This place has really gone downhill for me. And tonight there are a few that shouldn't even be working there. But just as I'm leaving, a girl is in front of me peeking out the curtain and I think, "Oh my god, look at this hot little ass. ".
She turns around and she is just beautiful!
She goes by Margie. As I like, she is petite, small waisted, decent sized bolt ONS. And a big pretty smile. Says she's "from Bangkok. ". Got a great fun personality. She won me over and I spent the money - 850 BF and 3000ST. No LT available this early.
Things some of you might not like: Probably a fake nose, didn't look that close, but it's a petite nose. Darker skin in places. No DFK or even much light kissing. BBBJ was decent, not spectacular, though just seeing my cock in that girls mouth was worth it to me.
What made up for it: A Hollywood smile, a great laugh, a fun personality. Knows how to dress to impress, including the costume jewelry to give her a classy touch. Great hair. Very friendly and playful. There. On the way to my room. During. And even back. Very responsive to DATY, seemed to love it and got really wet. At the very least a great actress through the whole process. And she let me cum all over her breasts. One of the shots hit her in the ear and she laughed about it!
Overall it was one of the best experiences I've had over here, with one of the hottest girls I've been with.
YMMV, as well as your opinion of her, but man, I'm satisfied.
[QUOTE=SexInStl;2166488]Had to go into town this afternoon, about a 40 minute walk each way. And kept thinking I would at some point get a tuk tuk or taxi, but made it the whole way. So when I started getting water shot at me as I made my way down Soi 4, it was a welcome relief! The whole street was full of people shooting water at each other. (It's the New Year's Holiday Songkran, apparently). [/QUOTE]This is the first after 5 Songkrans in a row in that I decided to avoid as much of those water fights as I could and travel outside of Bangkok to a quieter area. I was kind of regretting leaving a few repeated favorite P4P girls and only traveling with one regular girlfriend on the assurance from several expats and locals that the water fights would only happen for a slightly more tolerable 3 days in Bangkok this year, the 13th, 14th and 15th. Well, I had never known the red light districts in Bangkok, where I live and roam, to only have 3 days of water fights, even that first Songkran after the passing of the King.
So it turns out the water fights in and near Nana started a day earlier after all? Same with Soi Cowboy area no doubt. And any random stretches in between probably.
Two days would be tolerable. Three days is pushing it. Four days is way too much. And more than that, which has happened in Bangkok when the official days hit the week just right (or wrong), is insane. Now I am really glad I got out of town Thursday morning. LOL.
[QUOTE=SexInStl;2166488]
Lollipops was disappointing. What happened to this place over the last few months? Back in October they had a few great looking stand outs, but I've seen nothing this time. So out of habit I go into Bangkok Bunnies. This place has really gone downhill for me. And tonight there are a few that shouldn't even be working there. [/QUOTE]I agree. Lollipop went downhill badly compared to visit a few months back. Bars change so quickly especially if have not got enough customers. Suggest Billboard is better for slim models right now or try Doll House in Cowboy. Be Bunnies had about 3 hot model types at my last visit, all occupied by the same guy.
Lollipop was a favourite bar for me somewhere in the mid 90's when they had some naked girls, some with big naturals (also Pretty Lady next door) LOL.
Billboard had a large number of attractive slim girls when I was there a few weeks ago.
Hi,
Can anyone help with contact details of the independent Bangkok escort advertising on 'Backpage', as Sofia, real photos?
As Backpage and Cracker seem to be shutdown, If anyone can help and PM me her details, I would be very grateful.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2166343]There was a Starbucks at the corner of Soi 5 and Sukhumvit? Where the McDonald's is now? When was that? Can't recall it.
Anyway, most of the time there are SWs on Sukhumvit between Soi 3 and 5 in the morning. However quality is low usually. [/QUOTE]The Starbucks is a couple of doors down from the McDonalds, which is on the absolute corner of Suk Soi 5. Close enough of a location description.
I have had some luck on morning walks around lower Suk spotting rather attractive ladies heading towards the BTS after their overnight LT dates. Found money for them, and ST takes care of the morning wood for me. This is the exception though, not the rule.
And yes; there are the usual early morning SW skanks basically from near NP around to Suk Soi 5. Not my cup of tea but YMMV.
SL.
Is April 16 songkran free or will there still be idiots spraying water at people a day after songkran ends?
Same question for April 20 in Pattaya?
By afterlife I don't mean the life after physical expiration date, I am referring to life after end of "easily marketable" age, say 35 years. It is quite rare to see to working girls after they reach 30/32 so I am not sure what do they do afterwards. It is not easy for anyone to forget easy money and go back to harsh normal work which pays a fraction of what these women made earlier. While working in this profession, they hardly upgrade their skills which will help them enter workforce.
So what do they do after age of 35?
Go back to Isaan and look after their daughters who are likely teenagers by that time and ready to enter the profession?
Find a gullible, rural Thai guy who has no inkling of their past or does not care anyways?
Or do they live with the family but alone without a male spouse?
Can someone please enlighten me?
Walked through Soi Cowboy about 9 and was sorely underwhelmed. Am I getting that picky or is it really that lame so early in the night? Went into Long Gun and no one was naked or even topless. Completely dead, nothing worth staying for. Shark had one or two that were not bad. Hardly any coyote's out. I guess Songkran has got a lot of them going out of town this weekend. Crazy Horse didn't even have upstairs open yet, and I managed to walk through that club without touching a single thing. About half the girls were naked.
Baccara was of course the best, but even there the standard seemed lower, I guess because of the holiday. #174 was a petite, short, big fake breasted cutie, with a Uma Thurman, Pulp Fiction bob-with-bangs hair style; some Japanese guy snatched her up quick.
So. I started to walk back and figured I'd maybe take a scrub from the Nana sign for 1500. I mean, hell, that's what USD $48?
But. I figured I'd stop in Thermae. What the heck!
NOW, my history with Thermae is that the first time I ever went there I got rejected, OUT RIGHT, by the first 3 girls I tried to talk to. The third was a group of three, so technically you could say the first 5. I didn't let it falter me, I've read enough about it to know. The one I did end up taking home, was hot, but seemed like she wanted to be anywhere but there. But that's PAST history.
So anyway, I was kind of surprised, at 1. How packed it was again and 2. The amount of girls who were going out of their way to make eye contact and flirt with me. Man, it IS getting tough out! So I started to narrow it down and finally went with this very short petite girl with what looked like a nice rack. One of those mesh shirts on. Seriously, without heels she might not have even been 5 feet tall. Her name was a cross between noon and none, that I couldn't seem to pronounce right. And she was a real sweetheart.
BUT. She had some baby damage, and did CBJ instead of BBBJ. 2500, which is 1000 more than the scrubs in front of Nana, but. Did I mention she was a sweetheart?
Very into it, very playful, the cutest little bity ass I've ever seen, and a really tiny punami. I guess that's the one drawback of Thermae, is you don't get any kind of preview. Still. She was fun.
Maybe it's time to finally try one of the high end massage places.
[QUOTE=Margaya;2166847]By afterlife I don't mean the life after physical expiration date, I am referring to life after end of "easily marketable" age, say 35 years. It is quite rare to see to working girls after they reach 30/32 so I am not sure what do they do afterwards. It is not easy for anyone to forget easy money and go back to harsh normal work which pays a fraction of what these women made earlier. While working in this profession, they hardly upgrade their skills which will help them enter workforce.
So what do they do after age of 35?
Go back to Isaan and look after their daughters who are likely teenagers by that time and ready to enter the profession?
Find a gullible, rural Thai guy who has no inkling of their past or does not care anyways?
Or do they live with the family but alone without a male spouse?
Can someone please enlighten me?[/QUOTE]I'm not sure how you arrived at this. Maybe you only hang out in the gogos. There are many women still working in their 30's and 40's. I am amazed at the quality of a few in that range who have never had kids. I mostly frequent bars where I can play pool. The younger women are the exception in these bars. As to what they do when they do hang it up? There must be many different answers to this. IMO their first choice would be to retire to their village with their own ATM.
[QUOTE=Margaya;2166847]
So what do they do after age of 35?
[/QUOTE]Pretend to be 27.
I saw a girl dancing naked in 5 Star. I would estimate at least 50 based on the face. I did not like her that much, but had to admit her body was in quite good condition. Body only, she could pass for 32 or less.
A lot of Oily MPs will be packed with mothers over 30, and quite a lot over 35. I would guess. My GF looks extremely hot for me coming up to 39. 10 years ago she was a bit too skinny, but perfect now. Wow her fabulous full peach ass no sag with nice gap under! Obviously her face cannot be same standard as when 27, but still good enough.
Some girls are wrecked by age 27 and others are fabulous at 37. It varies so much. I don't have an age prejudice. Just depends how good a girl looks. I know another girl 52 who passes for 35. Face has almost zero wrinkles. Hardly any sun exposure all her life most likely.
I know a girl at Crazy House bar, aged 21. Has been hooking at least 4 to 5 years, virtually since the bar opened. At one time hardly worked, living on her savings. Now the savings are gone. Hard to imagine what her future is. She does not want to work hard, maybe she will get a nice Farang sponser if he can handle her eccentricities, and shyness. All she has going for her really is a great slim body, good face, and an energetic fuck, and no baby (that at least is a smart move). At one time her BF was a gogo bar DJ. That was not smart. She does not need a BF that cannot support her.
[QUOTE=SexInStl;2166894]Walked through Soi Cowboy about 9 and was sorely underwhelmed. Am I getting that picky or is it really that lame so early in the night? Went into Long Gun and no one was naked or even topless. Completely dead, nothing worth staying for. [/QUOTE]9 PM is normally ideal time. Yeh sure it's dead for Songkran. Long Gun is currently one of the really crappy bars for my taste. Too many thick girls. Heard a rumour that sister bar Raw Hide maybe better. Shark normally has quite a few Coyotes and was packed out on a recent visit on a Tuesday. I thought the Coyotes in Doll House were more plentiful and overall better standard, and cheaper to BF (that was a more than a week ago). Try also Billboard in Nana (after Songkran is finished).
Baccara bar does not appeal to me as much, as stage is too packed, meaning it is hard to be able to see the few non surgeries girls properly, unless in exactly the right spot. 90%+ of girls do not appeal (same in any bar). I did BF successfully there in the distant past though.
Have not BFed from Crazy H this year. So it went downhill a lot.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2166830]Is April 16 songkran free or will there still be idiots spraying water at people a day after songkran ends?
Same question for April 20 in pattaya?[/QUOTE]It appears that this year Songkran has been extended officially by a couple of days. Unclear though what that means for the water splashers. Hopefully they will tire of it by Monday, it really is a pain to get around without getting wet (taxi is the only sure thing for me, I was splashed several times yesterday on the back of motorbikes).
I'll be in Pattaya for a few days that includes the last couple of Songkran days so I asked about Pattaya also on another forum, and was told by some expats that 20th should be water free. Not totally convinced, to be honest.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2166830]Is April 16 songkran free or will there still be idiots spraying water at people a day after songkran ends?
Same question for April 20 in pattaya?[/QUOTE]Don't know for sure, but today (Saturday) was a lot more subdued than the last two days.
Never mind. A late start. It's kicking into high gear now.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2166830]Is April 16 songkran free or will there still be idiots spraying water at people a day after songkran ends?
Same question for April 20 in pattaya?[/QUOTE]Every year Songkran has a death toll. Drunks are biggest problem. Driving accidents are high. Don't worry about the water, but carry wallet and phone in sealable plastic bags till it is safe. Stay away from the "stupidest" areas.
I don't think we can predict behaviour of idiots too well. As a man, at least you are relatively safe from gropers.
Walked down to Soi 14 to check out Som's Haven. Not a good looking selection out front, so I passed. Lollipop off Soi 10 had three guys drinking at the outside bar, which told me a lot, but no one looked decent there either. Off Soi 8, the (Name that Can't Be Written) had a blow up pool out front, but no one I was interested in seeing and so, what has proven for me as the better of all the spots, was once again, Kasalong.
Sort of.
I chose a younger looking girl out front, who seemed annoyed that I picked her. It was between her and one other younger attractive girl (who wouldn't make eye contact), and one other that was actually kind of uni-girl looking that actually was TRYING to get me to pick her.
So why in the hell would I choose the one who seemed most annoyed to service me?
Maybe I'm fucked up.
Well the service was outstanding!
She went at it like she wanted to make me pop as quickly as possible, but she did it right. Started at the hanging boys, giving them good attention, and then working her way up to a slobbery bob. All the more enjoyable as I tipped her 200 to be fully nude (one of the things they don't automatically give you there) Her body was all natural and she even had a small patch of pubic hair. Oh my! All the more enjoyable as I knew she didn't really want to do it!
How fucked up is that?
Afterward's as she cleaned my cock, I asked her name and she mumbled something, so I asked if she said, "Bee?" And still without making eye contact, nodded like 'yeah, yeah, sure, that's it'. What a little btch! LOL.
Still, for $30. It's kinda hot! God I love Bangkok.
I'm goin' with the Uni girl next time though. We'll see if I like it as much.
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;2164559]Hi Breadman. I remain curious about why you posted this comment. Did you encounter a WG from the night / week / month / year before at a bar? An elevator stop?
Dive in here![/QUOTE]It's pretty obvious that it happened to the lady I was escorting up to my room. Bank of elevators and a guy gets out of one, looks back and does a double take at my girl and calls out her name. She looks and runs full speed into the elevator. Everybody went their own way and things quickly got down to business. Now had he walked out of our elevator and stopped us from going on our way things would have ended differently. I would have stepped between him and ended any conversation. I wouldn't have initiated anything but would have dealt with any intrusion as the situation developed.
Things could have gone much differently had he intruded on people more prone to violence (there was another guy with me). So calling out a girls name in front of two drunk guys who might take insult to the intrusion might have ended with the guy paying a trip to the hospital. Same goes for calling out to a girl who's with two local guys.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2167277]It's pretty obvious that it happened to the lady I was escorting up to my room. Bank of elevators and a guy gets out of one, looks back and does a double take at my girl and calls out her name.......[/QUOTE]She probably told him he was her one and only and he was smitten with her. Poor fool!
[QUOTE=SexInStl;2167235]
So why in the hell would I choose the one who seemed most annoyed to service me?
Maybe I'm fucked up.
Well the service was outstanding!
She went at it like she wanted to make me pop as quickly as possible, but she did it right. Started at the hanging boys, giving them good attention, and then working her way up to a slobbery bob. All the more enjoyable as I tipped her 200 to be fully nude (one of the things they don't automatically give you there) Her body was all natural and she even had a small patch of pubic hair. Oh my! All the more enjoyable as I knew she didn't really want to do it!
How fucked up is that?
[/QUOTE]She can't resist the money.
Look being reluctant could be a special tactic to get more customers. LOL Alternatively, it was just not her turn, and she was resting for a bit, lazy to take the next dude so soon.
Anyway, you liked her. That is the main point. Not fucked up at all. Maybe if you repeat her, she might even be more keen next time.
Probably was the turn of the eager one. However I never pick a girl just because she seems too eager. It may not correlate to performance at all. I prefer a girl with more natural reactions, even maybe looking a bit bored.
Any time I get a really good girl, for sure next time I will want a full service if possible, even though costs more. Maybe I am guy that likes to do, and just sitting back and getting blown is not quite my thing. My last Kasalong girl was Amporn and she performed well, so I immediately upgraded to get her naked and screw her. Nice tight pussy too, and very nice natural tits. Maybe does not use it enough (the pussy).
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2167149]Every year Songkran has a death toll. Drunks are biggest problem. Driving accidents are high. Don't worry about the water, but carry wallet and phone in sealable plastic bags till it is safe. Stay away from the "stupidest" areas.
[/QUOTE]Sometimes the stupidest areas are out in the country roads. A young Thai man from the local village (has a young wife and baby) was killed riding motorcycle on the main highway. Not in Bangkok. Was found dead with his innards hanging out. He may have been drunk, going too fast, lights not working, who knows? May have been hit by drunk trunk driver going to fast. The other party involved was not found. Many accident victims may well be left to die rather than call an ambulance.
I was advised to not try to drive somewhere on the main roads yesterday. Too dangerous. Stayed home. Not sure if Bangkok is just as dangerous from drunks. Plenty of Thais were so drunk, they just fell off their motorcycles and got banged up.
Yesterday Bangkok Post reported the Thailand road toll after 3 days was 188 dead and 10 times more injured. As a percentage of population , that is still low, I guess. Country town toll percentage of population can be worse. Chiangmai was rated one of the worst.
Causes are reported to be drink driving and speed. 79% involved motorcycles. 80% killed were drivers.
Lessons are so easy. Songkran is danger time. Don't drive after drinking. Don't go on motorcycles at any speed during Songkran and not on major roads or where speed is possible. Beware many other drivers will be drunk and behaving stupidly. Use a taxi.
The issue with Songkran is not really getting doused in water. That is a minor thing.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2167480]Alternatively, it was just not her turn, and she was resting for a bit, lazy to take the next dude so soon.
Anyway, you liked her. That is the main point. Not fucked up at all. Maybe if you repeat her, she might even be more keen next time.
Probably was the turn of the eager one. However I never pick a girl just because she seems too eager. It may not correlate to performance at all. I prefer a girl with more natural reactions, even maybe looking a bit bored.
[/QUOTE]The "not her turn" conclusion is far and away the most likely reason a girl or girls sitting outside a BJ Bar don't look up from their phone, seem sullen or indifferent when a customer approaches. They have a queue system of their own. It would not do for a girl who is not up at bat for the next pitch to wink, smile too broadly and indicate any interest in the very next customer who walks up unless it is fairly well understood or obvious by some other interaction between you and that girl that you are a repeat of hers (or might be).
Of course, the customer can ignore the Bar's queue system and choose any girl he wants. Even if she is seen walking down those stairs inside the Bar with a customer she just finished and therefore logically last in the queue for the next customer.
Has anyone noticed the girl you just had upstairs will rarely if ever step outside with you as she bids you farewell? She is so far back in the queue at that moment she dare not be seen by any passerby who might scoop her up next and really tick off the girls who have been patiently waiting for a taker in the outdoor elements.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2167547]The "not her turn" conclusion is far and away the most likely reason a girl or girls sitting outside a BJ Bar don't look up from their phone, seem sullen or indifferent when a customer approaches. They have a queue system of their own. It would not do for a girl who is not up at bat for the next pitch to wink, smile too broadly and indicate any interest in the very next customer who walks up unless it is fairly well understood or obvious by some other interaction between you and that girl that you are a repeat of hers (or might be).
[/QUOTE]Yes spot on. Even the ugly hags are supposed to get a share of the customers, being the "weak dudes" who would not dare to choose. Even Tulip will assign some horrible girl unless you stop them. LOL.
I once was at SOL, and some ugly old hag / bag wants to blow me. I said no thanks I will choose. She then argued with me that for a BBBJ, it makes absolutely no difference the girl looks appealing or not. Purely based on skills. Sorry to say her argument is absolutely wrong for me, who wants more than just a BJ. I could just wank myself instead for free, if I did not need a girl making some degree of excitement. I don't want to have to put a bag over her head. LOL I always preferred my SOL girls to be nude, and if not pretty, then at least not hideous.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2167577]I once was at SOL, and some ugly old hag / bag wants to blow me. I said no thanks I will choose. She then argued with me that for a BBBJ, it makes absolutely no difference the girl looks appealing or not. Purely based on skills. Sorry to say her argument is absolutely wrong for me, who wants more than just a BJ. I could just wank myself instead for free, if I did not need a girl making some degree of excitement. I don't want to have to put a bag over her head. LOL.[/QUOTE]Well, maybe you could put a bag over your head LOLOLOL! Did she try that line of argument? Hahaha!
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2167577]Yes spot on. Even the ugly hags are supposed to get a share of the customers, being the "weak dudes" who would not dare to choose. Even Tulip will assign some horrible girl unless you stop them. LOL.
I once was at SOL, and some ugly old hag / bag wants to blow me. I said no thanks I will choose. She then argued with me that for a BBBJ, it makes absolutely no difference the girl looks appealing or not. Purely based on skills. Sorry to say her argument is absolutely wrong for me, who wants more than just a BJ. I could just wank myself instead for free, if I did not need a girl making some degree of excitement. I don't want to have to put a bag over her head. LOL I always preferred my SOL girls to be nude, and if not pretty, then at least not hideous.[/QUOTE]Ah yes. The old "it doesn't matter how they look for a BJ" argument. We definitely agree that one does not really apply for everyone. Although I would go further in saying an attractive face is even more important for a BJ than for FS, especially when going for FS is not on the agenda.
BTW, I believe there are some exceptions to the "it's not her turn" issue we mentioned.
There is, for example, sometimes a lady at Kasalong that wears the same uniform as the others, sits outside with the other girls, wears glasses, is a bit older and less attracive than the others but who seems more often than not to be the one who waves over passersby, inviting them to go inside, making the pitch that this is a BJ Bar and so on. Clearly she is not always next up as often as she speaks up.
So I think there is an unspoken understanding among the girls, doubt they ever had an official discussion meeting about it, that this lady is chosen by customers so infrequently that she can be trusted to be a spokesperson for the place without taking customers away from the other girls. In which case she might even gesture to the girl who is next in queue first as if to help you select a girl.
Except, as in the case you mentioned, where the guy is too shy to hold his ground to choose another girl and just goes along with the spokeslerson.
There used to be a lady like that at L0litas too.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2167577]She then argued with me that for a BBBJ, it makes absolutely no difference the girl looks appealing or not. Purely based on skills. Sorry to say her argument is absolutely wrong for me[/QUOTE]I know an Indian guy who says the same about sex. He says it isn't worth paying money for sex because "it's just a hole" and sex with any female is the same regardless of her looks or age.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2167610]Ah yes. The old "it doesn't matter how they look for a BJ" argument. We definitely agree that one does not really apply for everyone. Although I would go further in saying an attractive face is even more important for a BJ than for FS, especially when going for FS is not on the agenda.
BTW, I believe there are some exceptions to the "it's not her turn" issue we mentioned.
There is, for example, sometimes a lady at Kasalong that wears the same uniform as the others, sits outside with the other girls, wears glasses, is a bit older and less attracive than the others but who seems more often than not to be the one who waves over passersby, inviting them to go inside, making the pitch that this is a BJ Bar and so on. Clearly she is not always next up as often as she speaks up.
So I think there is an unspoken understanding among the girls, doubt they ever had an official discussion meeting about it, that this lady is chosen by customers so infrequently that she can be trusted to be a spokesperson for the place without taking customers away from the other girls. In which case she might even gesture to the girl who is next in queue first as if to help you select a girl.
Except, as in the case you mentioned, where the guy is too shy to hold his ground to choose another girl and just goes along with the spokeslerson.
There used to be a lady like that at L0litas too.[/QUOTE]My take on this is simple. As I approach L0 litas walking down the side soi I check out the girls, I totally ignore any greetings from others and simply nod or point to the girl I want. Theres never any debate on who I should choose. If there aren't any girls I either know as giving good service or appeal to me, I pass by and check out Kasalong around the corner.
On a note I never actually went into Kasalong, seemed to me the girls are too old or unattractive. Or maybe I just go there at the wrong times.
[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2167808]My take on this is simple. As I approach L0 litas walking down the side soi I check out the girls, I totally ignore any greetings from others and simply nod or point to the girl I want. Theres never any debate on who I should choose. If there aren't any girls I either know as giving good service or appeal to me, I pass by and check out Kasalong around the corner.
On a note I never actually went into Kasalong, seemed to me the girls are too old or unattractive. Or maybe I just go there at the wrong times.[/QUOTE]Quite likely. If anything, the Kasalong girls are on average better looking than Lolytas, allowing for the fact that I probably hardly notice the last good looking ones, naturally concentrating on those doable. After trying Amporn at Kasilong, on the way out I spotted a prettier girl (wasn't available originally). Line ups always vary of course and best girls may be busy. To really know the line up you would have to hang around for 30 minutes or so, perhaps longer. LOL Girls available should be mostly outside if is not too hot.
In Lolytas I only ever selected Anne in recent years (long gone now). Anne was a blonde "schoolgirl" with very hot ass, on display as she went up the stairs. First time I met her she was hiding behind other girls with her face looking down. I was undeterred to choose her. She turned out to be a pretty good GFE for FS, so never changed to another girl (and the others were not slim enough nor pretty enough). I did not care if her BBBJ was the best or not (hampered a bit by teeth braces).
In former times when I used to attend Dr. BJ, they seemed to have about 3 slim attractive girls. Now it is Wood bar I have not been recently.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2167580]Well, maybe you could put a bag over your head LOLOLOL! Did she try that line of argument? Hahaha![/QUOTE]Quite right, a bag over her head would impede the BBBJ, so I did not suggest it.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2167547]The "not her turn" conclusion is far and away the most likely reason a girl or girls sitting outside a BJ Bar don't look up from their phone, seem sullen or indifferent when a customer approaches. They have a queue system of their own. It would not do for a girl who is not up at bat for the next pitch to wink, smile too broadly and indicate any interest in the very next customer who walks up unless it is fairly well understood or obvious by some other interaction between you and that girl that you are a repeat of hers (or might be).[/QUOTE]A lot of Asian sex shops / massages / incalls / businesses do this. It's to allow all the girls to make money and to be as fair as they can. The mamasans promote sharing the wealth. I've seen this happen at Asian shops around the world. The other exception is if the girl has regular customers that the other girls know about and then will call for that girl or won't go with that customer unless the original girl okays it. The downside about this for us guys is that it can sometimes become difficult to try a different girl at the same shop.
[QUOTE=Applesauce;2168063]The other exception is if the girl has regular customers that the other girls know about and then will call for that girl or won't go with that customer unless the original girl okays it. The downside about this for us guys is that it can sometimes become difficult to try a different girl at the same shop.[/QUOTE]Difficulty maybe illusionary.
Where did you experience that? I have seen difficulties between bargirls re stealing another girl's customer, but never experienced anything like that at an MP. Too many ISG members always want to try a different girl anyway. Many Thai men in a Soapy, say they always change girls since they don't want to get attached to anyone. I always tried different girls in an MP any time I felt like it (more often in Soapies perhaps). I tended not to use a lot of different girls at some Oilies, but always the choice was there.
In Suzie Wong bar I probably had 15 different girls over time, and often two at a time. Crazy House, I often changed girls. Guys get known for changing girls, trying girls. No big deal. Favourite girls can get their "nose out of joint", trying to preserve their money feeders. Too bad.
I can never resist a new girl way more stunning than all the others, if the chemistry is working at all.
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2167061]I'm not sure how you arrived at this. Maybe you only hang out in the gogos. There are many women still working in their 30's and 40's. I am amazed at the quality of a few in that range who have never had kids. I mostly frequent bars where I can play pool. The younger women are the exception in these bars. As to what they do when they do hang it up? There must be many different answers to this. IMO their first choice would be to retire to their village with their own ATM.[/QUOTE]Some are certainly working till they can, I even had a 48 year old!. But most seem to fall off the grid after 30/32.
And while retiring in their village with their pvt ATM is ideal dream, I don't think even 5% girls manage to find customers like that. I wonder what most of them do specially because most is an women I have been have told me, repeatedly, that they don't want another Thai man in their life.
[QUOTE=Margaya;2168138]Some are certainly working till they can, I even had a 48 year old!. But most seem to fall off the grid after 30/32.
And while retiring in their village with their pvt ATM is ideal dream, I don't think even 5% girls manage to find customers like that. I wonder what most of them do specially because most is an women I have been have told me, repeatedly, that they don't want another Thai man in their life.[/QUOTE]Perhaps they already have one. LOL Or maybe already 3 kids. So what will they do, get a Foreign monger? Will he be better than the Thai man? They all just want a fuck, and then will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off. We already stated that a monger would be stupid to select a hooker for a GF. Reverse is also true, to a lesser extent.
The big difference is the Thai boy is much more likely to get her pregnant, because he just doesn't care, or someone does not want to pay for birth control. The parents should be forcing young girls to be on some birth control, whether they think she is a little angel or not.
I think quite a lot of hookers were starting in their late 20's and early 30's, due to being dumped by Thai man and left to support the kids. Not all gogo girls and masseuses start as teenagers.
I would be surprised if massage shops girls under 30 are as much as 50% of them. I now some shops try to have younger girls, but I also see so many shops with mostly older girls.
What I would like to know, is what percentage of Thai girls will run amok, fighting, scratching, yelling and screaming, when drunk and pissed off about something? I have known the odd one or two. I suspect it is a much higher percentage than in the Farang women world. However interested in general opinions. This is behaviour that Farangs don't tolerate too well, right? Yes I know guys do it too, but that was not the question.
Does the evil ghost / spirit emerge from Thai women more than in Farangs, particularly when control is released by alcohol? Is violence and screaming more accepted in Thai society families? I compare with Farangs, since I am one and that is what I am more used to.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2167943]Quite likely. If anything, the Kasalong girls are on average better looking than Lolytas, allowing for the fact that I probably hardly notice the last good looking ones, naturally concentrating on those doable. After trying Amporn at Kasilong, on the way out I spotted a prettier girl (wasn't available originally). Line ups always vary of course and best girls may be busy. To really know the line up you would have to hang around for 30 minutes or so, perhaps longer. LOL Girls available should be mostly outside if is not too hot.
In Lolytas I only ever selected Anne in recent years (long gone now). Anne was a blonde "schoolgirl" with very hot ass, on display as she went up the stairs. First time I met her she was hiding behind other girls with her face looking down. I was undeterred to choose her. She turned out to be a pretty good GFE for FS, so never changed to another girl (and the others were not slim enough nor pretty enough). I did not care if her BBBJ was the best or not (hampered a bit by teeth braces).
In former times when I used to attend Dr. BJ, they seemed to have about 3 slim attractive girls. Now it is Wood bar I have not been recently.[/QUOTE]I remember her. A few winters ago, I would see her most nights with her head down as I walked by the shop. I could never get eye contact and finally gave up. One night I went to the little Aussie steak house across the alley from Loly's And noticed her standing outside the shop and again she ignored my presence. When I finished my meal and left for Soi 8, I felt a tap on her shoulder, and lo and behold, it was little Annie asking me if I was interested in her services. I readily agreed though she said it was BJ only, no extra services on tap. We went upstairs and had a luxurious BJ with a very sexy girl. Great memory. I never saw her there again and was told a farang had enticed her to move in with him somewhere in that neighborhood. As an aside, I think if you took away the blond hair, she might appear quite ordinary but she had tremendous sex appeal with that cute blond page boy look.
[QUOTE=Margaya;2168138]Some are certainly working till they can, I even had a 48 year old!. But most seem to fall off the grid after 30/32.
And while retiring in their village with their pvt ATM is ideal dream, I don't think even 5% girls manage to find customers like that. I wonder what most of them do specially because most is an women I have been have told me, repeatedly, that they don't want another Thai man in their life.[/QUOTE]They might as well say that since it is highly unlikely that a Thai man would be interested in establishing a serious or longterm relationship with the kind of Thai woman who has worked the P4P scene, is at, over or approaching 30 years old and a host of other issues that makes the lady essentially done and done in that regard in Thai culture and society. Oh, I know there are rare anecdotal exceptions. And I am not talking a 1-2 time hook up for sex or with a dumpster diver dude who will shack up with any Thai lady just to get in out of the rain.
But almost no Thai lady will assume she will be gifted in her life with one of those rare exceptions. She will assume, correctly the vast majority of times, her days of moving in with, being supported by or marrying a Thai man are over.
If she is a single mom? Forget it. Very few if any decent Thai men will take on the responsibility of someone else's child.
And it isn't just ex-P4P girls approaching 30 with or without kids who are no longer of interest to Thai men.
If she is more highly educated and speaks English well, much more so than the Thai men she meets? Forget it. Most female Thai nurses, teachers and the like couldn't get a date with a suitableThai man if they threatened him with a gun.
A 30-something Thai single mom (with a 7-8 year old kid) nurse or teacher, even a hot one, will be about the most desperate creature on any online dating site to find a good hearted Farang gentleman who will accept her as she is. It has likely been the conception of that child since she has had sex of any kind if she had been holding out for a Thai man to enter into her life before she eventually made peace with the idea of meeting and dating a Farang.
Very brief observations from a recent stay in Bangkok:
I had much better luck finding nice, pretty girls in Nana than Cowboy, so I spent the majority of my time there.
Butterflies is one of my favorites, as it has the best lap dances in Nana. Geak (#412) is very sweet and very sexy. Her sexiness isn't learned, she's one of the rare girls who is a natural. Be nice, and she'll respond the same. Her spirited and sexy friend is also a lot of fun, probably a good threesome.
Twister is still my favorite, though I wish the beautiful and busty #8 would barfine. There are plenty of other good options, though.
Things move quickly at Billboard, sometimes too fast for me. I've found it's best to get there early; it's amazing how many girls disappear (presumably barfined) between 8 and 9. To me, the bath girls seem more attractive than the rotating stage girls, so I try to find a spot with a good view of them. At least one of them is in the drop dead beautiful category, in my opinion, though she's not always there and disappears early when she is.
Rainbow 5 (next to twister) has some promising girls, maybe quite to the same extent as the clubs above, but definitely worth a visit. It stays very active (and packed) until very late.
A strategy I sometimes used was to arrive early, as I found that at each club the couple of really striking girls would often be gone by 9 or shortly after. Though sometimes it's more fun to linger for hours and buy drinks.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2168349]
What I would like to know, is what percentage of Thai girls will run amok, fighting, scratching, yelling and screaming, when drunk and pissed off about something? I have known the odd one or two. I suspect it is a much higher percentage than in the Farang women world. However interested in general opinions. This is behaviour that Farangs don't tolerate too well, right? Yes I know guys do it too, but that was not the question.
Does the evil ghost / spirit emerge from Thai women more than in Farangs, particularly when control is released by alcohol? Is violence and screaming more accepted in Thai society families? I compare with Farangs, since I am one and that is what I am more used to.[/QUOTE]This is common not just to Thai women, but also to Filipinas, Malay and Indonesian women. It's all about maintaining control and giving ultimatums if they don't get their way. No one stamped out this behaviour in the formative years of their lives, so these women have been allowed to carry on like spoilt brats. Associated with this is the sulking or silent treatment which the woman gives the man. In Tagalog it is called tampo.
Having lived in the west all my life, it is not so prevalent amongst white women. They have other ways of showing their displeasure.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2168745]This is common not just to Thai women, but also to Filipinas, Malay and Indonesian women. It's all about maintaining control and giving ultimatums if they don't get their way. No one stamped out this behaviour in the formative years of their lives, so these women have been allowed to carry on like spoilt brats. Associated with this is the sulking or silent treatment which the woman gives the man. In Tagalog it is called tampo.
Having lived in the west all my life, it is not so prevalent amongst white women. They have other ways of showing their displeasure.[/QUOTE]True words. My wife is Indo and she used to give ultimatums until I called her bluff and offered to buy her a one way ticket back home. She still sulks and gives me the silent treatment, which I don't mind LOL. I don't know why it is not knocked out of them as kids but it is childish.
[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2168678]Very brief observations from a recent stay in Bangkok:
I had much better luck finding nice, pretty girls in Nana than Cowboy, so I spent the majority of my time there.
Butterflies is one of my favorites, as it has the best lap dances in Nana. Geak (#412) is very sweet and very sexy. Her sexiness isn't learned, she's one of the rare girls who is a natural. Be nice, and she'll respond the same. Her spirited and sexy friend is also a lot of fun, probably a good threesome.
Twister is still my favorite, though I wish the beautiful and busty #8 would barfine. There are plenty of other good options, though.
Things move quickly at Billboard, sometimes too fast for me. I've found it's best to get there early; it's amazing how many girls disappear (presumably barfined) between 8 and 9. To me, the bath girls seem more attractive than the rotating stage girls, so I try to find a spot with a good view of them. At least one of them is in the drop dead beautiful category, in my opinion, though she's not always there and disappears early when she is.
Rainbow 5 (next to twister) has some promising girls, maybe quite to the same extent as the clubs above, but definitely worth a visit. It stays very active (and packed) until very late.
A strategy I sometimes used was to arrive early, as I found that at each club the couple of really striking girls would often be gone by 9 or shortly after. Though sometimes it's more fun to linger for hours and buy drinks.[/QUOTE]What Soi is Twister and Butterflies located on. I often walk Soi 11 but can not find the spots you have mentioned (Twisters, Butterflies, Billiards, Rainbow5).
[QUOTE=RobJones;2168752]True words. My wife is Indo and she used to give ultimatums until I called her bluff and offered to buy her a one way ticket back home. She still sulks and gives me the silent treatment, which I don't mind LOL. I don't know why it is not knocked out of them as kids but it is childish.[/QUOTE]Very good article below. It confirms that the anger and aggression in Thai women is about retaining control. She has too much to lose if the Farang leaves. Face, status, wealth.
http://thaigirl2004.********.com.au/2007/07/why-are-thai-women-so-explosive.html
The hidden word is blog spot
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2167610]Ah yes. The old "it doesn't matter how they look for a BJ" argument. We definitely agree that one does not really apply for everyone. Although I would go further in saying an attractive face is even more important for a BJ than for FS, especially when going for FS is not on the agenda.
BTW, I believe there are some exceptions to the "it's not her turn" issue we mentioned.
There is, for example, sometimes a lady at Kasalong that wears the same uniform as the others, sits outside with the other girls, wears glasses, is a bit older and less attracive than the others but who seems more often than not to be the one who waves over passersby, inviting them to go inside, making the pitch that this is a BJ Bar and so on. Clearly she is not always next up as often as she speaks up.
So I think there is an unspoken understanding among the girls, doubt they ever had an official discussion meeting about it, that this lady is chosen by customers so infrequently that she can be trusted to be a spokesperson for the place without taking customers away from the other girls. In which case she might even gesture to the girl who is next in queue first as if to help you select a girl.
Except, as in the case you mentioned, where the guy is too shy to hold his ground to choose another girl and just goes along with the spokeslerson.
There used to be a lady like that at L0litas too.[/QUOTE]I remember her. Haven't been there for a year or so. She looked like a librarian or school teacher. Ha. Actually I tried her, and she wasn't bad in service terms. And she wasn't bad looking, just older.
I don't post reports often, so panda with me.
Day #1 (4-13):
Landed at 0230-ish so I just made it straight for the hotel and crashed. Songkran was in full swing, so I decided to use Smooci rather than head to a bar / club. Booked February because of the reviews. She looks more or less like the photos. Honestly, there's nothing to say about the experience. Nothing stood out, everything was meh. I can't say it was mechanical, but it definitely wasn't warm, either. Not good, not bad, just meh. I wasn't even mad that she left early (after the deed), she asked me to, and I was totally fine with her leaving. If you want standard mostly unremarkable service, have at it.
Day #2 (4-14):
I'm lodged super close to Soi Cowboy, so I decided to head there 'round 2100, Songkran or no. I hit Baccara first. Dear god, I always forget how much of a Japanese trap that place is; it was so smokey and packed to the gills. I was one of two / three farangs on the first floor. Still, the Japanese are responsible for creating everything that I love, so they can have it. So, I was snubbed by three girls for being white (at one point, the waitress literally pointed at my skin, which had me actually laugh-choke on my beer). S'all good, so after about an hour of enjoying the show and drinking super slowly (to the annoyance of the waitress) I bounced and walked over to Crazy House about 2230. Nothing on stage worth writing home about. I asked for one of the gals, but she either already had a customer or did not take farangs; I didn't care enough to pay attention to the reason. I assume it was due to the holiday. The Japanese gentleman next to me almost passed out on my shoulder drunk, so I decided to move on, the waitress was about to walk over to demand that I buy another drink anyways.
I decided to give up on SC and move on to Nana. Went straight for Billboard, got there about midnight. I think. Forgive me on this, I can't remember the girls' numbers. I can't remember details like that ever. First attempt was with a slightly shorter (Thai girl standards) gal with massive breasts (looked to be the largest in the lineup) on the carousel who was about 23, dark hair, not too long. She's pretty enough, and talking to her was actually enjoyable, which made me think we had built some manner of rapport. My mistake.. She wouldn't go back to my hotel, had to be one of those crappy short time joints and was only willing to go for a single romp if you'll forgive the term. I get that that's starting to be (or has been?) the norm but I'm not a fan. In either case, the negotiation shot everything (namely, the mood) to hell and I sent her back to the carousel. Two minutes later, I grabbed a girl from the hot tub side that I was sure I recognized from last November. Slim, tan (a bit on the darker side), small / medium breasts (for a Thai girl), young (I'd be shocked if she was 21), long frizzy hair, cute face, and a very energetic dancer. She stands out, you'd be able to tell if you saw her. If you like the legitimate girlfriend experience, she's perfect, though be warned that she's very playful (very energetic). Didn't recognize me at first, but after a small hint she was able to describe our first encounter step for step. By GFE here, I mean, she's always trying to drag me to restaurants, clubs, etc. And she's very friendly. She even invited me to come party with her and her friends in Pattaya for their Songkran festivities; I politely declined. She couldn't seem to care less about the passage of time, so not a clock watcher. If ya end up with her, please heed the "your mileage may vary" principle. She might just be particularly fond of me specifically, who knows; I'm about 28 and not the most attractive, but I have no idea how she'd act with an older gentleman. She seemed friendly enough when other dudes were buying her drinks. In the bedroom, she's a firecracker, tons of energy. If I had not wanted to move, I know she would have rode me to completion regardless. Damage is normally 2.5 k with her not including any additional tip, which she normally more than earns.
Day 3 & 4 (4-15 - 4-16).
Didn't feel like messing with SC this time, despite being literally one / two (depends how you count those weird side streets) away and went straight back to Billboard. Went early, 'round 2000, wanted the best seat in the house. It's that elevated couch right next to the bar, perfect view of both lineups. Didn't wait too long, grabbed a cutie from the hot tub side again, this time with medium / large bolt-ONS, heavy pale makeup, braces, a bunch of ear piercings, a couple of tattoos on her upper back, and a modified nose. I don't mean any of those things as a slight, I liked all of it, it worked for her. She's another one of those energetic dancers, and the energy bled right into our meeting. Killer smile, too. Literally could not ask for more. Really nice gal, but she's extremely blunt and says mean things in a playful way to get a rise out of you. If there are "issues" with your outward appearance, be aware that she will point them out to you at some point or another; she found all of mine. Again, I enjoyed her personality, so none of this was problematic. We didn't spend long in the bar, I took her back to my hotel pretty quickly, which she actually seemed enthusiastic about. This gal was amazing in bed. BBBJ like a champ, open to any position, enthusiastic riding, aggressive kisser, and moans in a way that'd get any man off. If you're into it, neither of these girls are into anal, don't bother asking, it's super awkward getting back in the mood, haha. We tumbled twice, which she wasn't thrilled about going at it a second time at first (she was still worn out), but she got right into it the second we started kissing again. I was so enthralled that I asked her if she wanted to do long time the following day. No complaints on her end, she seemed happy about it actually. Requested "tip" was 3 k, but I gave her more. Contributing to price inflation or not, she earned every penny.
The following day was more of the above in bed (long time), and the same in the morning. I took her to eat at the Hooters after I picked her up at Billboard, and the band was awesome. They killed covering Frank Sinatra (My Way), Michael Jackson (Billy Jean & one that escapes me), and a bunch of other hits. As far as you GFE enthusiasts go, she fits the bill. We had great conversations, assisted by google translate, and she was mean as hell but in a playful endearing way. After our final session the following morning, she actually hit me with "Hey, want to go get breakfast?" rather than taking the money and going on her merry way, which I was more than up for.
TL; DR:
One meh girl from smoochi, would not repeat.
Snubbed at Baccara.
Two great girls from Billboard, would definitely repeat.
-Obligatory "if you meet them, be kind" remark goes here. -.
If you enjoyed this, and you would like to help me out, I'm looking for info on younger than 25 gals (with a cute face, otherwise they're quite easy to find and I wouldn't be asking) that are cool with anal. Yes, I'm familiar with Snow White (I've had Candy), Cherry (Meh), Tullip (Old), etc. PM me, if you'd be so kind. Thank ya.
[QUOTE=Shiofuki;2168835]I remember her. Haven't been there for a year or so. She looked like a librarian or school teacher. Ha. Actually I tried her, and she wasn't bad in service terms. And she wasn't bad looking, just older.[/QUOTE]Yes, that was her look. And I agree she isn't bad looking, just older and more managerial seeming than provider seeming. I am not surprised that she would be more experienced and likely better at the job in a room than others. And there is nothing objectionable about her face for that purpose, imo, once the eyeglasses are off.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2168595]If she is more highly educated and speaks English well, much more so than the Thai men she meets? Forget it. Most female Thai nurses, teachers and the like couldn't get a date with a suitableThai man if they threatened him with a gun.[/QUOTE]LOL, this should be good for us but unfortunately we don't seem to run into these well educated girls quite often. All we get is silly uneducated ladies from Isan.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2168349]The big difference is the Thai boy is much more likely to get her pregnant, because he just doesn't care, or someone does not want to pay for birth control. The parents should be forcing young girls to be on some birth control, whether they think she is a little angel or not.
I think quite a lot of hookers were starting in their late 20's and early 30's, due to being dumped by Thai man and left to support the kids. Not all gogo girls and masseuses start as teenagers.
I would be surprised if massage shops girls under 30 are as much as 50% of them. I now some shops try to have younger girls, but I also see so many shops with mostly older girls.[/QUOTE]Agree. Most working girls I came across had pretty much the same story. Became pregnant at young age (18-20), got promptly dumped and had to become sex worker to take care of family and baby. More of a cultural thing I think. Thai men dumping them is part of reason. Then they work for few years in this line. One thing that always surprised me was how insistent these women were on living alone without a man for rest of their life.
I can not imagine they follow up on their insistence. I can't imagine life can be good for a former prostitute living alone in Isaan.
Or is it?
[QUOTE=Omigawd;2168956]LOL, this should be good for us but unfortunately we don't seem to run into these well educated girls quite often. All we get is silly uneducated ladies from Isan.[/QUOTE]They do show up in the dating sites fairly often. Some of the better in bed Thai women I have been with over the past 5 years were the more highly educated, professionally successful ones looking for "Friendship, Romance/Dating, Marriage" on the dating sites, especially when it comes to oral skills.
Yep, talking about full on swallowers among the better looking 30 ish business managers, school teachers, nurses, etc single moms.
Shaved pussies and BB fucking are also much more readily agreed to and enthusiastically engaged in when you combine a better understanding of the relative safety of a vasectomy and a current Normal/Negative/Non-Reactive blood check document to show her as well as a natural tendency to be more open to great oral sex (both education related) with the even better understanding of how her days of having another serious relationship with a Thai man are over and she'd better start wrapping her mind around whatever it will take to keep a farang man with tons of younger options available to him interested.
[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2168760]What Soi is Twister and Butterflies located on. I often walk Soi 11 but can not find the spots you have mentioned (Twisters, Butterflies, Billiards, Rainbow5).[/QUOTE]They're all in Nana Plaza off of Soi 4.
I started off with a session at Dream Heaven Massage, but I'll go over that in the appropriate thread.
Nana Plaza was really dead throughout. Billboard had their fair share of dancers, though not their best, and not much of a crowd early (9 pm). Went looking for Margie at Bangkok Bunnies, didn't see her, and there was nothing else to choose from. Noticeable amount of plump girls working. Was going to check out Rainbow, but there's a Ladyboy who works over by there who is super aggressive and always molests me, so I try to stay away from that area. Went into Butterflies instead based upon a post here, and HOLY MOLEY!
On a dead Wednesday night in Nana, they had a good looking group of girls (all in white bikini's, which I liked), a well lit clean looking club, a decent crowd, a super hot hostess (I was practically dry humping her on the way out - 1500 BF, 3000ST, ugh), and an interesting set up. Buy a lady drink gets them off stage (normal), buy TWO more to keep them off stage when the next time comes around, and them actually grinding on you when they're sitting with you. Maybe not so unique, but they were pushing it. Ok. I enjoyed it for a bit. Essentially you're spending $10 US for a table dance; isn't that a Western thing?
It's smart if you think about it though. It keeps the guests and the ladies involved and interacting, and gives the guests more time to sample and decide. I kinda like it.
And one of these nights I'm going to bang that hostess.
So then after my massage session I decide to walk all the way back to Soi 4, but I stop off at Soi Cowboy.
It appears someone had a heart attack at The Dollhouse, as they were wheeling him out (older white guy) and loading him up in the Med Vehicle as I got there. Everyone seemed pretty indifferent about it, though it looks like a few of the girls got off work early. Crazy House, I was in for literally 15 seconds. EVERY single girl had clothing on. Bye. Butterflies comes up with a great idea to get more people in the door (and maybe more girls) and the genius' at CH do the opposite. That is NOT going to lure more people in.
Went in Cactus Club, because I saw it in a Thai movie I just watched, but ran out pretty fast. Saw that hot coyote in front of Midnite that I BF'd back in October. She doesn't look quite as hot. The Coyote's were out in much fuller force last night. Finally of course ended up at Baccara, my favorite place to just sit and drink.
I'm not Japanese, and wouldn't be confused as one in million years. The only two nationalities I get confused on is British and Australian. Yet I've NEVER had an issue in Baccara. I buy my water at the outdoor bar (180,20 tip) and sit at the low end of the bottom floor stage were I can more easily see up their skirts. No one bugs me, I usually don't even waste time buying a drink for anyone.
But last night I did. I've seen #248 a couple of times and thought she was adorably cute. I finally decided to chat with her, so I bought her a drink. Small boobs, but super cute, petite, with a flat belly, and great hair. Says her name is 'Jane' and she's been there 11 days. From WAY down south by Malaysia. Seemed inbetween on kissing, I think, it was hard to understand her. I was going to press further, but I didn't. Wanted a second drink to sit with me longer and started to seem impatient. Probably had a lot to do with it. Finally decided my one pop at the massage was far and away enough for the night, though she came close to making me try.
Sometimes sleep is the better choice.
[QUOTE=SexInStl;2169228]It appears someone had a heart attack at The Dollhouse, as they were wheeling him out (older white guy) and loading him up in the Med Vehicle as I got there. Everyone seemed pretty indifferent about it, though it looks like a few of the girls got off work early. [/QUOTE]Brit Drops Dead In Soi Cowboy Bar:
[URL]https://www.stickboybkk.com/news/brit-drops-dead-soi-cowboy-bar/[/URL]
[QUOTE=TrueBlue666;2168845]
Didn't feel like messing with SC this time, despite being literally one / two (depends how you count those weird side streets) away and went straight back to Billboard. Went early, 'round 2000, wanted the best seat in the house. It's that elevated couch right next to the bar, perfect view of both lineups..[/QUOTE]I agree. Best seat in BB. A bit dark as well and you're left pretty much alone with your girl when you sit there. Check out 77 if she's still working there. Name is Bam. Good girl, from what I have seen she only drinks orange juice and doesn't go for the 2 LD scam. Don't think she's A+ though. Not certain she's still as fit. Found that she gained some weight last time I've noticed her.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2168849]Yes, that was her look. And I agree she isn't bad looking, just older and more managerial seeming than provider seeming. I am not surprised that she would be more experienced and likely better at the job in a room than others. And there is nothing objectionable about her face for that purpose, imo, once the eyeglasses are off.[/QUOTE]Well said. However, Ha, I asked her to keep the glasses on, as I like that look. To each his own. And as I'm a slightly older guy her being older didn't bother me in the least.
I don't refer to the Dollhouse death. A lot of young slim hottie Coyotes in Doll House.
In fact nearly all bars with dancers in Cowboy now have Coyote girls. Barfine usually higher ranging from 1000 Baht to 3000 Baht or more. The Arab's bars have very high BFs and yet girls probably do not fuck (personal decision I guess). Arab bars have been reported to be ripping off customers with inflated drinks bills.
One LB bar Cockatoo, but secret LBs creeping into some other bars.
It maybe that only Crazy House and Bacarra have no Coyotes now. Some bars have very low standard Coyotes too. Even Shark now seems to lack many pretty Coyotes and has some very plain ones.
Checked out Rawhide late. Girls had sailor uniforms. Was so dark I could not see if faces were pretty or not. I forgot my glasses as well. LOL Standard of bodies looked higher than Long Gun with less fatties. Did not really like it. Short stay.
Number of bars with total nude dancing is getting limited and Crazy House line up has not been that good for a while. Did not BF there this year.
I think this decline overall can help out Nana which was struggling for some time with only a few bars busy. Billboard is obviously the top Nana bar going very well despite somewhat overly dark lighting for my taste. Bangkok Bunnies seems to be going OK. Girls more voluptuous than at Billboard. Billboard seems to be not taking fat girls in general.
Twisters was good at one time but its line up now looks well behind Billboard I think.
As always, I remind that I am biased towards slimmer non surgeries girls. The face surgeries look comes accross like alien to my eyes.
I went there 3 weeks ago in search of CIS ladies, in particular Uzbek. The club itself has a shitty crowd (mostly sleazy, cheap Indians), and staff that try to rip you off at every chance. But it had plenty of hot CIS ladies, which is what I was after. Took the same Uzbek lady for 3 nights in a row, for 6 K THB full night. She was excellent.
Are there any other places with CIS girls, or Arab girls in particular? I walked past Grace Hotel while I was with my Uzbek lady but didn't really explore too much as I was in a hurry to get back to the hotel, but I did spot an Arab looking lady standing outside. May be worth a look during my next trip to BKK which will be in 1 weeks time.
Cheers.
I am going to Thailand for vacations this summer. It is a bachelor party and we are 7 friends. We want to go for a small trip through the country, but for having some fun with girls. What is better? Bangkok or Pattaya?
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2169676]Are there any other places with CIS girls, or Arab girls in particular?
Cheers.[/QUOTE]Dude, I've already answered this specific query, regarding places to find CIS talent, raised by you earlier, in my post #41947 in this thread. Hope it helps. Also, I'd strongly recommend taking a trip to Pattaya, if your schedule permits, and visit Nashaa nightclub if you crave CIS chicks. The offerings there are clearly of a better quality and available in greater number. Also, the overall ambience/vibe of the club puts Shock 39 to shame. IMHO, that is THE PLACE for the hottest CIS imports in LOS. However, as there is no cover charge, you'll have to buy atleast one drink and the staff won't leave you alone till you do that. And, they tend to be on the pricier side in comparison to your Go-Go bars and other fancy clubs like Mixx etc. But, with a drink in hand, you can relax and enjoy without the staff hovering over you all the time. If you want any more info., feel free to get in touch via PM. Good luck!
I landed in Bangkok on a Monday. I had a few hours work on Tuesday and all day Wednesday and Thursday. I had all evenings free.
Plan A. Craigslist, I had 15 to 20 girls, "Line ID's" from that site. All where P2P. The most I paid was 2,500 be for ST.
Plan be. Thai friendly dating web site. I had 50 "Line ID's" from that site. If the girls profile pic was at all sexy. She is a freelancer. 30% of the girls on Thai friendly site that gave me their "Line ID" I started to chat with them and they asked me to meet me. Then they would say sure and then they gave me the ST fee. I saw 4 different girls. They came to me. No BF, no drinks No late nights. I'm in my early 60's and don't like the bar scene.
I met with 3 girls from Thai friendly said they were looking for serious relationship. 28, 33, 34 years old. All about and 6-8 in looks. I would bring them up the executive lounge in my hotel. We would talk a bit to get to know each other. I made it a point to ask to see their hands. Telling them that I can tell a lot about a person by looking at their hands. They loved it. After an hour I would say that I needed to do some work and I would walk them down to the lobby. Each time we were in the elevator along. As soon as the door closed I would touch their face and say it was nice meeting you and I would give them a kiss. Every time they would start kissing back like crazy. When we hit the lobby floor I asked, would you like to go to my room. The answer was yes. I fucked each one and sent them home with 300 be for taxi. No discussion of money. I spent the weekend with a 33 year old in Sa Kaeo (3 hours east of BKK) that I met on Thai Friendly. 5' 3" 85 lbs spinner. Also no talk of money but I left her with $400 USD.
I will post photos on the photo section soon.
[QUOTE=Cristopher;2169685]I am going to Thailand for vacations this summer. It is a bachelor party and we are 7 friends. We want to go for a small trip through the country, but for having some fun with girls. What is better? Bangkok or Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Although, I'm sure, plenty of information, pertaining to your query, is available in the Thailand sub-forum, let me, however, chip in with my thoughts. If this is your first time in LOS, I'd recommend Pattaya as it presents something that you'd have never witnessed before in Europe, which, I am assuming from your FRs, is your usual hunting ground. WS, alone, makes the trip worth it for its unabashed display of poontang, likes of which are not seen anywhere in Europe and, which, quite frankly, is more in-your-face and a notch above Bkk as well. Plus, scouting for FL talent, along that long stretch of BR, with its scenic backdrop, is something that is not available in Bkk. For me, with these two key offerings, Pattaya trumps Bkk. Also, everything is within a walking distance, if you are staying on BR or 1st road, including the soapies, which is not the case in Bkk. Moreover, with some of the soapies, especially the high-end Ratchada ones, closing, the glamor of Bkk has, somewhat, diminished in my estimation. And, if this was not enough, Bkk, a couple of years back, had wider options available when it came to CIS/Russian talent, with Bossy Pub plying its trade and Rajah Hotel being what it was. If these are the ethnicities that you, or any of your group, wanna lay, then Bkk may disappoint somewhat. Bkk presents better opportunity in terms of escort agencies, Smooci etc., which, IMO, is hardly any fun, especially when you consider the joy of first-hand exploration of the Pattaya scene, with its mind-boggling number of go-go girls, FLs, foreign WGs etc., all available within a radius of a couple of square miles. It's a pure, unadulterated hobbying experience. Easier, faster and more VFM. Explore the Bkk scene also, but, I'd recommend spending 70% of your hobbying time in Pattaya. Hope this is of some help. Safe travels!
[QUOTE=Cristopher;2169685]I am going to Thailand for vacations this summer. It is a bachelor party and we are 7 friends. We want to go for a small trip through the country, but for having some fun with girls. What is better? Bangkok or Pattaya?[/QUOTE]I had my first trip to Thailand in February this year. 5 days in Pattaya and 2 in Bangkok. Go to Pattaya! Every thing is close and easily accessed. I think the girls are nicer, prices on everything cheaper and The girls are more open to being fingered and at one agogo we even got blow jobs at the table 😋.
Bangkok for us was a waste of 2 days.
I hope this helps.
Rob.
[QUOTE=Shanghai1955;2169845]I landed in Bangkok on a Monday. I had a few hours work on Tuesday and all day Wednesday and Thursday. I had all evenings free.
Plan A. Craigslist, I had 15 to 20 girls, "Line ID's" from that site. All where P2P. The most I paid was 2,500 be for ST.
Plan be. Thai friendly dating web site. I had 50 "Line ID's" from that site. If the girls profile pic was at all sexy. She is a freelancer. 30% of the girls on Thai friendly site that gave me their "Line ID" I started to chat with them and they asked me to meet me. Then they would say sure and then they gave me the ST fee. I saw 4 different girls. They came to me. No BF, no drinks No late nights. I'm in my early 60's and don't like the bar scene.
I met with 3 girls from Thai friendly said they were looking for serious relationship. 28, 33, 34 years old. All about and 6-8 in looks. I would bring them up the executive lounge in my hotel. We would talk a bit to get to know each other. I made it a point to ask to see their hands. Telling them that I can tell a lot about a person by looking at their hands. They loved it. After an hour I would say that I needed to do some work and I would walk them down to the lobby. Each time we were in the elevator along. As soon as the door closed I would touch their face and say it was nice meeting you and I would give them a kiss. Every time they would start kissing back like crazy. When we hit the lobby floor I asked, would you like to go to my room. The answer was yes. I fucked each one and sent them home with 300 be for taxi. No discussion of money. I spent the weekend with a 33 year old in Sa Kaeo (3 hours east of BKK) that I met on Thai Friendly. 5' 3" 85 lbs spinner. Also no talk of money but I left her with $400 USD.
I will post photos on the photo section soon.[/QUOTE]400 $ for a weekend.
Good for her she didn't talk about money as she would have asked for 4000 baht or so.
She won the lottery!
[QUOTE=Cristopher;2169685]I am going to Thailand for vacations this summer. It is a bachelor party and we are 7 friends. We want to go for a small trip through the country, but for having some fun with girls. What is better? Bangkok or Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Everybody has a different preference. I, for one, think BKK is an all around better playground especially if there is more on your collective minds than just poontang like culure, cuisine, and the sights, others will strongly disagree, 555, but you really should do both if you have the time. These two destinations really compliment each other in unexpected ways. Tip: your group has 7 friends who want to party in LOS for the 1st time. Rent a few 2 bedroom View Talay 6 condos on the same floor in Pattaya or a few 2 & 3 bedroom hotel suites on the same floor in BKK. Then, let the good times roll!
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2169639]I don't refer to the Dollhouse death. A lot of young slim hottie Coyotes in Doll House.
In fact nearly all bars with dancers in Cowboy now have Coyote girls. Barfine usually higher ranging from 1000 Baht to 3000 Baht or more. The Arab's bars have very high BFs and yet girls probably do not fuck (personal decision I guess). Arab bars have been reported to be ripping off customers with inflated drinks bills.
[/QUOTE]I took a slow walk through Soi Cowboy last night around 10:30 PM and it must have been 80%+ non barfinable Coyotes in front of the bars. Of course, I didn't chat with 80% of the girls in front of the bars, but whenever I was arm hooked into engaging with a girl or two, I looked for the tell-tale pantyhose, which seemed ever present, and said, "But you are a Coyote. That means you will not go barfine with me, right?" The reaction of the one or two girls trying to rope me into entering their bar to buy them pointless Ladydrinks was always the same; Their phony pleasant scammer demeanor was dropped immediately, they knew they had just been busted and they had nothing else to say about it. Every other girl standing nearby knew what had just happened, too.
They might as well rename this area Soi Coyote Scam.
The only bar I bothered to enter was Tilac Bar, for old times' sake. Bought a Ladydrink for a genuine go-go dancer who was indeed available for barfine and wanted me to take her but I had an appointment lined up at my apartment for midnight with a P4P girl I'd met on ThaiCupid and had to take a rain check. The Tilac girl was very young, cute and her skin felt great. But the same was true for the ThaiCupid girl. She stayed all night and just left a few minutes ago for little more than what a Thermae girl typically charges for a 1 hour Short Time. Plus, I had already fully nailed down all three of my usual requirements for a rewarding sexual encounter before I agreed to book her. Modern technology is more often than not a wonderful thing in this hobby after all.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2169944]I took a slow walk through Soi Cowboy last night around 10:30 PM and it must have been 80%+ non barfinable Coyotes in front of the bars. Of course, I didn't chat with 80% of the girls in front of the bars, but whenever I was arm hooked into engaging with a girl or two, I looked for the tell-tale pantyhose, which seemed ever present, and said, "But you are a Coyote. [/QUOTE]Pantyhose is not really the main way to detect a Coyote, IMHO. Pantyhose may be an indicator it is harder to get into her pants, but not 100%. The hose is generally there to cover up scars or blotches on the legs. Double layer bra, or top over a bra is the mostly telling indicator of a Coyote in my experience, although Coyote costumes are starting to vary a lot. The cut off short shorts is not a given any longer.
It would not be true that 80% of Coyotes are not barfineable. A lot are barfinable. It is just that BFing them is no guarantee that they will fuck. Some have boyfriends, etc. Or other reasons. They do not wish to be a hooker, technically. So perhaps you really mean 80% do not fuck, and even then I would be very sceptical. Of course I have not done a wide survey to ask how many fuck. However I am seeing plenty of customers taking a Coyote out of the bars for one reason or another. Maybe almost any will girl fuck under the right circumstances, LOL. I have certainly had Coyotes knock me back and others explain they don't do sex, as are students for a regular profession future. One Coyote knocked me back saying she does not go with customers often, and was scared of a big dick having done only Asians before (in Twisters at Nana). Can't tell if she was truthful of course. Other Coyotes I have barfined and fucked, although very few from Cowboy because I always had good gogo girls options.
Is it not true that most Coyotes in Billboard are available? I don't see any reason why a portion of them in Cowboy would not also be up for a fuck in the right circumstances.
Plenty of Coyotes are available to BF to take them out to eat dinner, go to a disco, etc. That is very normal and certainly applies to Cowboy Coyotes who explained they don't do sex. I still think some of those girls may be willing in secret if they like the customer a lot, and have known him over a period of time. They need money and some may actually be horny after a few drinks, LOL.
We all know Thailand has a lot of borderline hookers, those that are sometimes available but not on a daily basis. In the old days Thermae had plenty of very part time hookers, who refused many customers, looking for someone that actually appealed to them, in addition to the money.
[QUOTE=AnonMous;2169808] Also, the overall ambience/vibe of the club puts Shock 39 to shame. [/QUOTE]Some discos in Bangkok are really poor, for the standard of the air quality, the sound system, the DJ, the "music", the customers, etc. Shock 39 was a perfect example, probably taking the prize for the very worst of the bad. On the occasion most places were closed. That was only reason I got taken there. I would never go there a 2nd time. Just the opinion of an old fuddy-duddy I guess, however I really hated everything about that place. I also thought Spicy was really rather poor but not even coming close to Shock 39.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2170033]Some discos in Bangkok are really poor, for the standard of the air quality, the sound system, the DJ, the "music", the customers, etc. Shock 39 was a perfect example, probably taking the prize for the very worst of the bad. On the occasion most places were closed. That was only reason I got taken there. I would never go there a 2nd time. Just the opinion of an old fuddy-duddy I guess, however I really hated everything about that place. I also thought Spicy was really rather poor but not even coming close to Shock 39.[/QUOTE]I agree with your opinion of Shock 39. The only saving grace of that joint is that the quality of girls is reasonably ok and that's the only reason I'd recommend it to anybody. The last time I was there, I remember noticing how particularly bad the music was. It seemed as if the DJ was playing music more for his own entertainment than that of the crowd, which I found irritating and amusing at the same time. LOL.
So I am not as experienced in Thailand as you guys and maybe things have changed, but a year ago I took a coyote (I believe) from Sharks no problem. I think the barfine was 700 B.
She was dancing on stage with the others but had on a different outfit with a skirt ruffle. And she could really dance. Totally sexy— no BKK shuffle. I made eye contact and motioned for her to join when off stage. Sure enough she did. One lady drink and the "are you staying nearby" and we were off. She seemed super stoked. She didn't have a condom so I don't know if she was not planning on bar fining or if that is usual.
But we grabbed one at the 7-11 and had a great time in the room. Really pretty girl (her name was Mei I believe) and lots of fun. So it does happen, but not sure how often. This was just my experience.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2170025]
It would not be true that 80% of Coyotes are not barfineable. A lot are barfinable. It is just that BFing them is no guarantee that they will fuck. Some have boyfriends, etc. Or other reasons. They do not wish to be a hooker, technically. So perhaps you really mean 80% do not fuck, and even then I would be very sceptical. Of course I have not done a wide survey to ask how many fuck. However I am seeing plenty of customers taking a Coyote out of the bars for one reason or another. Maybe almost any will girl fuck under the right circumstances, LOL. I have certainly had Coyotes knock me back and others explain they don't do sex, as are students for a regular profession future. One Coyote knocked me back saying she does not go with customers often, and was scared of a big dick having done only Asians before (in Twisters at Nana). Can't tell if she was truthful of course. Other Coyotes I have barfined and fucked, although very few from Cowboy because I always had good gogo girls options.
[/QUOTE]Actually, my guesstimate was 80%+ of the girls lined up outside the bars on Soi Cowboy must have been non-barfinable Coyotes, not that 80%+ of Coyotes are non-barfinable. Big difference. There might be dozens of Coyotes inside each of those bars who are not wearing pantyhose and/or will go barfine. I don't know because I didn't go inside the bars and ask them.
However, I have never once asked one of those pantyhose-wearing Coyotes lined up in front of the Soi Coyote Scam bars, I mean Soi Cowboy bars, if she is a Coyote and had her say "Yes, and I will go bafine with you, but I won't fuck." The answer has always been, "Yes", to which I say something on the order of, "Which means you won't go barfine with me so it would be a waste of time for me to buy you a Ladydrink, right?" And that is where it ends. I have read on message boards that such Coyotes exist but have never met one standing outside the bars and I probably get arm hooked by a half dozen different Coyote scammers every time I walk down that Soi and not one of them ever presented herself as barfinable but will not fuck.
I also know many punters who go to Soi Cowboy often, prefer it over Nana and not once have I met one who told me he barfined a Coyote but her policy is not to fuck. I assume there could be 3-4 of just about any variation of bargirl working in all of Soi Cowboy and Soi Nana. But where would all these "can be barfined but will not fuck" Coyotes be working in such great numbers that they would significantly influence my impression that 80%+ of the girls lined up along Soi Coyote Scam are non-barfinable Coyotes? And where is a special thread to handle what must be a sizable number of punters who delve into such an exchange at go-go bars if a meaningful percentage of pantyhose-wearing Coyotes on Soi Cowboy or anywhere in the city get barfined and paid an additional sum on top of that on the premise that they will not fuck? I must be very lucky this way because I have never asked a go-go dancer anywhere in Bangkok, Coyote or otherwise, if she goes barfine, had her say yes but not for sex, only for drinks, partying and chatting.
Meanwhile, I don't recall meeting one admitted non-barfineable Coyote scammer on Soi Coyote Scam (Cowboy) who was not wearing pantyhose. That's a lot of unfortunately hideous legs and big ugly scars and tattoos for what otherwise seem to be decent looking Thai girls. Maybe a few other girls wear them in the middle of the hottest month of Hot Season to smooth out their skin and hide big ugly scars and tattoos. But every one of the times I have been arm hooked on that Soi by a girl wearing pantyhose, I question her and she winds up having admit that, yes, she is a Coyote and, no, she does not go barfine. Again, maybe I missed encountering the 3-4 girls on the Soi who are pantyhose-wearing Coyotes, do barfine, are happy to accept an additional 2000-3000 baht or more for a Short Time, but their stated policy is they will not fuck.
I've only asked one, but she said yes and had sex. She was working at Midnite out front, last October, really hot. Pulled me for in for a drink, playing with me through and under my shorts. Asked her if she was barfinable, she said she is only working out front. Tried to get me to buy drinks for her other Coyote friend, and the mamasan, I said, "I'm just interested in you. I want to barfine you. ".
She then said it's 1500 barfine and 5000 for 2 hours.
Geez, she must normally hold out for Japanese guys.
This is on day NINE of my last trip, so I may have been a bit loopy. And I rationalize it as I'd easily pay what amounts to $200 US to bang a girl that looks this good in the USA, so what the heck. Wasn't worth the price, but, live and learn.
Soi Cowboy is a tourist trap.
And: There's always a super hot girl out there for cheaper.
[QUOTE=SexInStl;2170422]I've only asked one, but she said yes and had sex. She was working at Midnite out front, last October, really hot. Pulled me for in for a drink, playing with me through and under my shorts. Asked her if she was barfinable, she said she is only working out front. Tried to get me to buy drinks for her other Coyote friend, and the mamasan, I said, "I'm just interested in you. I want to barfine you. ".
She then said it's 1500 barfine and 5000 for 2 hours.
Geez, she must normally hold out for Japanese guys.
This is on day NINE of my last trip, so I may have been a bit loopy. And I rationalize it as I'd easily pay what amounts to $200 US to bang a girl that looks this good in the USA, so what the heck. Wasn't worth the price, but, live and learn.
Soi Cowboy is a tourist trap.
And: There's always a super hot girl out there for cheaper.[/QUOTE]Yes, I have no doubt that even the most stubborn holdouts anywhere in the world will eventually hear a price that will change their minds. I am sure there is a number that would convince me to do something I wouldn't do otherwise even for a year's free rent. And I assume that Kate and Pippa Middleton in their prime would have bareback tag-teamed a 400 pound dude they first encountered stepping around him laying in a mud puddle if he came up with a convincing story that their doing so just once would solve world hunger and put an end to all wars.
But I am curious; in the case of your Soi Cowboy Coyote who arm hooked you and pulled you in, when you say 6,500 baht plus whatever the cost of a Ladydrink or two "Wasn't worth the price", are you saying it might have been worth something closer to the usual 700 baht barfine + 2000-2,500 baht to the girl? Or are you saying it wasn't worth the bother and even the regular going rate for a regular go-go bargirl? I mean, did she even know what the two of you were supposed to be doing in the privacy of your room or did she give it only a minimal effort and not even do a decent job of that?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=SexInStl;2170422]I've only asked one, but she said yes and had sex. She was working at Midnite out front, last October, really hot. Pulled me for in for a drink, playing with me through and under my shorts. Asked her if she was barfinable, she said she is only working out front. Tried to get me to buy drinks for her other Coyote friend, and the mamasan, I said, "I'm just interested in you. I want to barfine you. ".
She then said it's 1500 barfine and 5000 for 2 hours.
Geez, she must normally hold out for Japanese guys.
This is on day NINE of my last trip, so I may have been a bit loopy. And I rationalize it as I'd easily pay what amounts to $200 US to bang a girl that looks this good in the USA, so what the heck. Wasn't worth the price, but, live and learn.
Soi Cowboy is a tourist trap.
And: There's always a super hot girl out there for cheaper.[/QUOTE]Over 200 USD. That's just beyond ridiculous We're not in the US. And what that does to the gal's attitudes. The higher the prices have gone the worse they've gotten. My oh my.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2170445]Over 200 USD. That's just beyond ridiculous We're not in the US. And what that does to the gal's attitudes. The higher the prices have gone the worse they've gotten. My oh my.[/QUOTE]Well, in my book it all depends on what she does for 6,500 baht. And if cost meets service then it shouldn't do anything negative with regard to attitude or price for girls who only provide the bare minimum. That is, for the customers who care what level of service is provided.
For me, I wouldn't pay 100 (one hundred) baht for what passes for standard lick around the edges (if that), slip on a condom and proceed for as short a time as possible fare out there. No matter how BEAUTIFUL she was. And that is primarily because I would never maintain an erection inside that condom for much more than 3 strokes and wouldn't finish ever. However, if 6,500 baht got a top young hottie with a sweet attitude, a smoothly shaved pussy, bareback everything without a further word spoken about condoms, unlimited shots over the course of 24 hours and if I choose to finish with a blowjob I will know it will end with a full cum swallow with a smile, then I would probably pay up the 6,500 baht without a moment's regret.
It's the 100 baht for standard fare as I described above that would make me feel ripped off.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2170444]Yes, I have no doubt that even the most stubborn holdouts anywhere in the world will eventually hear a price that will change their minds. I am sure there is a number that would convince me to do something I wouldn't do otherwise even for a year's free rent. And I assume that Kate and Pippa Middleton in their prime would have bareback tag-teamed a 400 pound dude they first encountered stepping around him laying in a mud puddle if he came up with a convincing story that their doing so just once would solve world hunger and put an end to all wars.
But I am curious; in the case of your Soi Cowboy Coyote who arm hooked you and pulled you in, when you say 6,500 baht plus whatever the cost of a Ladydrink or two "Wasn't worth the price", are you saying it might have been worth something closer to the usual 700 baht barfine + 2000-2,500 baht to the girl? Or are you saying it wasn't worth the bother and even the regular going rate for a regular go-go bargirl? I mean, did she even know what the two of you were supposed to be doing in the privacy of your room or did she give it only a minimal effort and not even do a decent job of that?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]It would've been worth it for the standard fare. I didn't need two hours, nor did we really stay at it two hours, and her performance wasn't bad, it just wasn't outstanding. And yes, she knew what we were going to do.
I just thought she was super hot and wanted to FKK her and could afford it.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2170460]Well, in my book it all depends on what she does for 6,500 baht. And if cost meets service then it shouldn't do anything negative with regard to attitude or price for girls who only provide the bare minimum. That is, for the customers who care what level of service is provided.
For me, I wouldn't pay 100 (one hundred) baht for what passes for standard lick around the edges (if that), slip on a condom and proceed for as short a time as possible fare out there. No matter how BEAUTIFUL she was. And that is primarily because I would never maintain an erection inside that condom for much more than 3 strokes and wouldn't finish ever. However, if 6,500 baht got a top young hottie with a sweet attitude, a smoothly shaved pussy, bareback everything without a further word spoken about condoms, unlimited shots over the course of 24 hours and if I choose to finish with a blowjob I will know it will end with a full cum swallow with a smile, then I would probably pay up the 6,500 baht without a moment's regret.
It's the 100 baht for standard fare as I described above that would make me feel ripped off.[/QUOTE]Agreed, but think that was the tab for ST.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2170445]Over 200 USD. That's just beyond ridiculous We're not in the US. And what that does to the gal's attitudes. The higher the prices have gone the worse they've gotten. My oh my.[/QUOTE]Yes, I feel I'm getting a little more in control of my dick, but two things that BKK will never have:
1) a time when a buttload of Japanese aren't doing the same thing every night that I did there (over pay).
2) an easier monger market in America / UK to ease up the over anxiousness of newbies.
You're just not going to get that. It's never going to happen. And it's going to keep fkking up this market. It'll fluctuate some. Girls seem a lot more desperate for business now, than I remember in October. But some of the girls are going to get what they can get. Why wouldn't they? It sucks for us, but the market is going to bear what it will. And those two things will always make it tougher for anyone experienced who is looking to get the best FKK, from the best looking girl, at the lowest price.
I sat in Baccara last night and watched some Japanese guy pay a girl 6000 Baht. I was thinking, how much for the bar fine? How much for the girl? 1500 and 4500? Is that for one girl?
It was.
What can stop it? It seems that clientele is more than happy to pay for it, and seems easy to please.
In America it still is an ACTUAL crime to solicit a prostitute (or to be one) and so there is always the looking over the shoulder, the guilt, the mistrust, the possibility of getting caught. All of that BEFORE you even start to consider the lack of quality when it comes to finding someone who will. Sure, in big markets, there's a better selection, but then the prices go up. And not everyone is from a big market. Try living in Omaha Nebraska and finding a hot little 19 year old, Asian beauty with perfect petite body, that you can just casually walk up to and say, "Sure. Let's go do it. For $60. ".
Man, this is my 5th (visit, and I'm still a bit like a kid in the candy store. Trying to keep my bearings.
But even when I get it, those two things will remain constant.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2170286]Actually, my guesstimate was 80%+ of the girls lined up outside the bars on Soi Cowboy must have been non-barfinable Coyotes, not that 80%+ of Coyotes are non-barfinable. Big difference. There might be dozens of Coyotes inside each of those bars who are not wearing pantyhose and/or will go barfine. I don't know because I didn't go inside the bars and ask them.
However, I have never once asked one of those pantyhose-wearing Coyotes lined up in front of the Soi Coyote Scam bars, I mean Soi Cowboy bars, if she is a Coyote and had her say "Yes, and I will go bafine with you, but I won't fuck." The answer has always been, "Yes", to which I say something on the order of, "Which means you won't go barfine with me so it would be a waste of time for me to buy you a Ladydrink, right?" And that is where it ends. I have read on message boards that such Coyotes exist but have never met one standing outside the bars and I probably get arm hooked by a half dozen different Coyote scammers every time I walk down that Soi and not one of them ever presented herself as barfinable but will not fuck.
I also know many punters who go to Soi Cowboy often, prefer it over Nana and not once have I met one who told me he barfined a Coyote but her policy is not to fuck. I assume there could be 3-4 of just about any variation of bargirl working in all of Soi Cowboy and Soi Nana. But where would all these "can be barfined but will not fuck" Coyotes be working in such great numbers that they would significantly influence my impression that 80%+ of the girls lined up along Soi Coyote Scam are non-barfinable Coyotes? [/QUOTE]Eih,
You use a lot of convoluted sentences, negative questions and double negatives.
If you talk to girls like that, I would not be surprised if they had no idea how to answer and fail to give a postive you are looking for.
I don't pay a lot of attention to Coyotes outside the shops. In general front of house staff are probably not barfinable. Don't see any eeason to talk to them.
In some bars the Coyotes dance inside and then take a turn to pull customers outside. Arab bars and Crazy Cats are a good example.
I chatted to a very nice Coyote in Crazy Cats who was in training to work in Hotels. She just returned from a BF where customer took her out to dinner. It was quite clear sex was not available yet some guy payed the expensive BF. I sat and ate with her at a noodle stand after closing time without paying a barfine. The point was she was interesting to talk to unlike most girls in the bars. I did buy her a few drinks and paid her food bill. These girls need money to pay the rent and her education yet do not want to be hookers. I have no clue if she has a BF or not. Was maybe not the prettiest Coyote in the bar but by far the best to talk to. I initially chatted to several. So made a change for me not to be chasing a fuck. I believe some other Coyotes in same bar maybe available but BF was a bit too high for me.
There was also a LB with no shortage of customers. LOL.
[QUOTE=SexInStl;2170528]I sat in Baccara last night and watched some Japanese guy pay a girl 6000 Baht. I was thinking, how much for the bar fine? How much for the girl? 1500 and 4500? Is that for one girl?
It was.[/QUOTE]I was in Thailand a few times. Visited Patpong, Thaniya, Soi Cowboy and Nana. Also went to Pattaya shortly. Usually I go to Amsterdam RLD or Germany FFK. The only girl in Thailand that came close to standard Geman FKK quality was a girl from the Lord's. The Thai girls cost a small fortune. My total cost for a girl has not gone under 4000 baht which is appr 100 euro. I really wonder at this as a lot of people think Thailand is the sex paradise and always bring home stories that sound so good. So, was it me and just choosing the wrong girls? Could be but I think it is something else. Thai girls simply do not fuck that much and don't get very experienced. In most German FKK clubs a girl must have two customers to just break even that day. I have never heard of a Thai girl having sex twice a day as a minimum. I guess almost no girl will have that line of customers. This lack of experience shows, especially at the oral part but also in the intimate part. Turtle for example is simply not known. Little sex, little experience, little skill but high prices. The best girl I had at Lord's was 6000 baht like the Baccara girl just mentioned. That is about 150 euro. The Lord's girl promised 1,5 hours but gave me 45 minutes. Other sessions show the same pattern. Never more than an hour and some started complaining after about 20 minutes: I should come while I thought we just got started.
So no sex for me in Thailand as next door has far better options for less money.
What I do like about Thailand is the game. To see beautiful girls dancing and looking at one of them and then have that one come over to you. A lady drink and some lap dance. A night out for about 1000 baht. You cannot get that quality here for that price. When they ask me for barfine (meaning ST or LT) I tell them my dick is tired and leave for the next bar or my hotel. So I would like to have a lot of coyotes as they are more beautiful.
Mate, clear your Inbox. Wanted to send you some info. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2170519]Agreed, but think that was the tab for ST.[/QUOTE]Yes, and that would have been one of the things I would have tried to put into a negotiation, if any, when it comes to paying well above the "going rate" in current times. I don't know, I'm just not a big believer that what one man pays (or 20 men for that matter) has a lot of bearing on what I can and will get from my next lady at a price I deem acceptable. It is simply up to me to smile and move on to the next one, never get focused too much on the one.
If one girl has been so routinely "spoiled" by customers who pay her whatever she quotes while expecting little or no effort from her in the room, there is another girl standing right next to her who has not been so "spoiled". And it is entirely possible that one will be hotter without her clothes on and better at her job anyway. The "this is what all the girls will expect if we pay this much" issue seems only to apply to the going rate in each particular venue. For example, all the girls in the same bar will know what the general going rate is in that bar for ST or LT. It might vary up or down from one girl to the next by 500 baht or so. But not dramatically. And even the girls who got 500 baht more than the going rate from their last 5 customers will probably not hold to that if it is a slow Monday or you just strike her fancy for whatever reason.
Where I find the lack of organized thought and understanding goes wildly off in every direction is on the "For what?" part of the deal, not on the "How much?" part. I was arm hooked by one of the newer and better looking freelancers that gather more in front of Hooters on Soi 4 lately than in front of the Nana Hotel sign Saturday night. She would not let me budge until I explained to her why I wasn't just scooping her up for ST right this very instant. As it happens I had other plans in the next couple of hours but thought I'd test her knowledge (or rather, what she chooses to promote as "fact" on the scene). She already knew the "How much?" part of the deal in this particular environment was in the area of 1,000-1,500 baht for ST. But in our brief discussion she insisted that it was still a "blowjob" if she finished me with her hand and that, "Only Ladyboys finish a blowjob with Cum in Mouth. " uh, ok. And on the issue of BBFS, she is convinced (or rather, tried to convince me) that "No lady anywhere in Bangkok will boom-boom a customer without a condom." Again, uh, ok. I good-naturedly set her straight about both of those issues without pointing directly to the several exceptions in the immediate vicinity to both of those inaccurate "facts" she had in her head.
In today's scene, it is up to me to educate the girls I engage in negotiations with on what I expect to happen in the room IF I paid close to or exactly the amount of money they want from me tonight. I can't accept just negotiating on "How much?" and maybe "For How Long?" It really isn't as difficult as some might think. Of course, I am only a shaved pussy, BBBJ+CIM (major bonus points for swallowing at the end) and BBFS kind of guy, not into anal at all. Maybe that makes all of this much easier for me. But I have not yet heard a shockingly high starting number from go-go dancers, freelancers up to an including Thermae and the like. I have only heard shockingly low service levels apparently being routinely accepted by many customers these days.
And that is where it becomes my responsibility to make sure the girl understands the "For What?" part of the deal is even more important to me than the "How Much?" part. Unfortunately, I have to approach it as though this girl has never given a real blowjob or engaged in real skin-to-skin contact sex during her short or long P4P career.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2170615]Eih,
You use a lot of convoluted sentences, negative questions and double negatives.
If you talk to girls like that, I would not be surprised if they had no idea how to answer and fail to give a postive you are looking for.[/QUOTE]I don't talk to the girls the way I write it here every time. It would go something like her saying, "Oh, come inside and take a look!" I look down at her pantyhose and say, "But you're a Coyote, yes?" Reluctant head nod. "That means you won't barfine and go with me, right?" It might require me to rephrase it into something more like, "Do you go barfine with customers?" Her reply is, "No" or she shakes her head no. Smile drops, hand lets go of my arm, she looks at the other girls, shakes head and indicates no taker (sucker) here.
If that kind of exchange is confusing to these girls who seem to understand English well enough to engage in other kinds of jokey banter, then maybe I need to hone my pantomime skills more. Or resort to Google Translate on the spot.
[QUOTE]I don't pay a lot of attention to Coyotes outside the shops. In general front of house staff are probably not barfinable. Don't see any eeason to talk to them.
In some bars the Coyotes dance inside and then take a turn to pull customers outside. Arab bars and Crazy Cats are a good example.[/QUOTE]Bingo. Then you might guesstimate an even higher percentage than the 80%+ I quesstimated in my post you replied to earlier with regard to the non barfinable Coyote scammers standing in front of the bars.
However, I will not let a bar off the hook so easily for hiring an agency to provide fakes to scam customers who come to their bar to buy ladydrinks and get laid. I don't look at it as, oh, those are just the fakes and scammers outside their bar, but I'm sure inside all is well and normal. To me, it matters and keeps me from going into those bars anyway.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2170615]
I chatted to a very nice Coyote in Crazy Cats who was in training to work in Hotels. She just returned from a BF where customer took her out to dinner. It was quite clear sex was not available yet some guy payed the expensive BF. I sat and ate with her at a noodle stand after closing time without paying a barfine. The point was she was interesting to talk to unlike most girls in the bars. I did buy her a few drinks and paid her food bill. These girls need money to pay the rent and her education yet do not want to be hookers. I have no clue if she has a BF or not. Was maybe not the prettiest Coyote in the bar but by far the best to talk to. I initially chatted to several. So made a change for me not to be chasing a fuck. I believe some other Coyotes in same bar maybe available but BF was a bit too high for me.
[/QUOTE]I suppose I should clarify that my use of the term "non barfinable" in this context equates to "sex is not available". It really isn't referring to whether or not someone could pay a bar for a girl's absence and give her an additional sum of money just to chat with her down the street or have dinner with her around the corner.
And, maybe I am wrong, but I assume you think of it that way, too. Unless in your last statement in the above quote you meant you would have considered paying a barfine and an additional sum of money to one of those other Coyotes in order to chat with her at a noodle shop for a couple of hours even if it was quite clear sex was not available if only the barfine and additional sum to the girl were reasonably low enough. I don't know for sure if that is what you meant.
[QUOTE=SexInStl;2170528]Yes, I feel I'm getting a little more in control of my dick, but two things that BKK will never have:
1) a time when a buttload of Japanese aren't doing the same thing every night that I did there (over pay).
2) an easier monger market in America / UK to ease up the over anxiousness of newbies.
You're just not going to get that. It's never going to happen. And it's going to keep fkking up this market. It'll fluctuate some. Girls seem a lot more desperate for business now, than I remember in October. But some of the girls are going to get what they can get. Why wouldn't they? It sucks for us, but the market is going to bear what it will. And those two things will always make it tougher for anyone experienced who is looking to get the best FKK, from the best looking girl, at the lowest price.
I sat in Baccara last night and watched some Japanese guy pay a girl 6000 Baht. I was thinking, how much for the bar fine? How much for the girl? 1500 and 4500? Is that for one girl?
It was.
What can stop it? It seems that clientele is more than happy to pay for it, and seems easy to please.
In America it still is an ACTUAL crime to solicit a prostitute (or to be one) and so there is always the looking over the shoulder, the guilt, the mistrust, the possibility of getting caught. All of that BEFORE you even start to consider the lack of quality when it comes to finding someone who will. Sure, in big markets, there's a better selection, but then the prices go up. And not everyone is from a big market. Try living in Omaha Nebraska and finding a hot little 19 year old, Asian beauty with perfect petite body, that you can just casually walk up to and say, "Sure. Let's go do it. For $60. ".
Man, this is my 5th (visit, and I'm still a bit like a kid in the candy store. Trying to keep my bearings.
But even when I get it, those two things will remain constant.[/QUOTE]I'd rather take a bullet in the head than live in the US again. 34 years there was enough.
Sadly the Asian clientele seems easier and easier to please. At least when they come to Thailand that is. The foreign P4 P scene caters almost 100% to the tourist at the moment. That was not the case when I moved here almost two decades ago. Yes, there were always mercenary gals, but at that time bars, especially bars in Cowboy depended on locals, especially during low season. Gals wanted local regulars they could count on to get them through the lean months, and believe me, there were quite a few lean months every year. That went for FLs as well. Now, they are not interested in locals in the least. Regular customers are ok, as long as they are willing to pay the big bucks and most residents just aren't willing to do that unless the looks and performance are both stellar. And that for the most part is a unicorn. I agree with Elh, I'd pay 200 for 24 hrs with a sexy nasty hottie who was up for anything. But I won't pay 100 Baht for a dud.
Man, if you are still living in the states, you should head for South America. Also Mexican border towns are good, especially the ones that folks think are dangerous. Used to love Juarez when I was living in TX. The best P4 P is usually in places that tourists don't want to go or are frightened to go.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2170623]Yes, and that would have been one of the things I would have tried to put into a negotiation, if any, when it comes to paying well above the "going rate" in current times. I don't know, I'm just not a big believer that what one man pays (or 20 men for that matter) has a lot of bearing on what I can and will get from my next lady at a price I deem acceptable. It is simply up to me to smile and move on to the next one, never get focused too much on the one.
If one girl has been so routinely "spoiled" by customers who pay her whatever she quotes while expecting little or no effort from her in the room, there is another girl standing right next to her who has not been so "spoiled". And it is entirely possible that one will be hotter without her clothes on and better at her job anyway. The "this is what all the girls will expect if we pay this much" issue seems only to apply to the going rate in each particular venue. For example, all the girls in the same bar will know what the general going rate is in that bar for ST or LT. It might vary up or down from one girl to the next by 500 baht or so. But not dramatically. And even the girls who got 500 baht more than the going rate from their last 5 customers will probably not hold to that if it is a slow Monday or you just strike her fancy for whatever reason.
Where I find the lack of organized thought and understanding goes wildly off in every direction is on the "For what?" part of the deal, not on the "How much?" part. I was arm hooked by one of the newer and better looking freelancers that gather more in front of Hooters on Soi 4 lately than in front of the Nana Hotel sign Saturday night. She would not let me budge until I explained to her why I wasn't just scooping her up for ST right this very instant. As it happens I had other plans in the next couple of hours but thought I'd test her knowledge (or rather, what she chooses to promote as "fact" on the scene). She already knew the "How much?" part of the deal in this particular environment was in the area of 1,000-1,500 baht for ST. But in our brief discussion she insisted that it was still a "blowjob" if she finished me with her hand and that, "Only Ladyboys finish a blowjob with Cum in Mouth. " uh, ok. And on the issue of BBFS, she is convinced (or rather, tried to convince me) that "No lady anywhere in Bangkok will boom-boom a customer without a condom." Again, uh, ok. I good-naturedly set her straight about both of those issues without pointing directly to the several exceptions in the immediate vicinity to both of those inaccurate "facts" she had in her head.
In today's scene, it is up to me to educate the girls I engage in negotiations with on what I expect to happen in the room IF I paid close to or exactly the amount of money they want from me tonight. I can't accept just negotiating on "How much?" and maybe "For How Long?" It really isn't as difficult as some might think. Of course, I am only a shaved pussy, BBBJ+CIM (major bonus points for swallowing at the end) and BBFS kind of guy, not into anal at all. Maybe that makes all of this much easier for me. But I have not yet heard a shockingly high starting number from go-go dancers, freelancers up to an including Thermae and the like. I have only heard shockingly low service levels apparently being routinely accepted by many customers these days.
And that is where it becomes my responsibility to make sure the girl understands the "For What?" part of the deal is even more important to me than the "How Much?" part. Unfortunately, I have to approach it as though this girl has never given a real blowjob or engaged in real skin-to-skin contact sex during her short or long P4P career.[/QUOTE]Actually I have found that once a gal gets x amount, she will rarely go for less. Loss of face. I guess it depends what you consider a shocking number. To me anything over 2 k is shocking, especially if there is a BF on top of it. And at 2 k, I really want 2 pops. When it comes to performance, if one gals gets a reputation for doing way more than the other gals, she'll be shunned. Some don't care but most do.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2170662]I'd rather take a bullet in the head than live in the US again. 34 years there was enough.
Sadly the Asian clientele seems easier and easier to please. At least when they come to Thailand that is. The foreign P4 P scene caters almost 100% to the tourist at the moment. That was not the case when I moved here almost two decades ago. Yes, there were always mercenary gals, but at that time bars, especially bars in Cowboy depended on locals, especially during low season. Gals wanted local regulars they could count on to get them through the lean months, and believe me, there were quite a few lean months every year. That went for FLs as well. Now, they are not interested in locals in the least. Regular customers are ok, as long as they are willing to pay the big bucks and most residents just aren't willing to do that unless the looks and performance are both stellar. And that for the most part is a unicorn. I agree with Elh, I'd pay 200 for 24 hrs with a sexy nasty hottie who was up for anything. But I won't pay 100 Baht for a dud.
Man, if you are still living in the states, you should head for South America. Also Mexican border towns are good, especially the ones that folks think are dangerous. Used to love Juarez when I was living in TX. The best P4 P is usually in places that tourists don't want to go or are frightened to go.[/QUOTE]I don't want to go back to the USA Either!
I can see where it'd become frustrating with the changes you mention here. You'd think they'd appreciate regulars just from a safety standpoint as well, unfortunately, the requirements for being a go-go bar girl does not include critical reasoning skills.
Still some bargains out there I'm thinking though.
[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2168760]What Soi is Twister and Butterflies located on. I often walk Soi 11 but can not find the spots you have mentioned (Twisters, Butterflies, Billiards, Rainbow5).[/QUOTE]They're all in Nana Plaza, on Sukhumvit Soi 4.
After a brief conversation with one of the newer, better looking freelancers sitting on a motorcycle parked in front of Hooters on Soi 4, where she informed me (wildly inaccurately, of course) that only Ladyboys give a Cum In Mouth finish to a blowjob and nobody working around Nana's red light area allows a customer to engage in BBFS (LOL), I decided to check out Thermae. It was around 10 PM and packed with girls. With rare exception, almost every girl, many among the hottest ones there imo, gave me a very big smile, stared me down as I passed by, replied quite welcomingly to my "Sawatdee khrup" (Hello) as I slowly cruised through the line up on all sides.
Easily one of the more impressive looking girls, name was Muay, stood slightly away from the bar and out of the general line up in order to show off her wonderful long legs, high water booty in a very tight short dress, long, straight, slightly reddish hair and perky, fairly obviously enhanced (but not too much) breasts. Early 20's I'd say. She had a sweet smile on a very cute face. I passed her once without taking her up on her point-to-me/point-to-her request that I choose her, but said "Sawatdee Khrup, Sabai dee mai?" (Hello. How are you?) anyway and apologized for moving on and not choosing her right away since "I had just gotten here and wanted to look around first. " I told her that in those exact words while gesturing with my fingers from my eyes to pointing quickly around the room. She understood. I repeated that same reply to 3-4 other girls who tried to get me to choose them as well while I cruised around the S shaped bar.
So I came back around to the left side of the bar (as you walk in) and again re-entered Muay's world. This time she was more adamant about what a wonderful decision it would be if I chose her tonight. She repeated her "2,500 for short time?" pitch. I went for the BBBJ+CIM request approach with Muay. I leaned in close to her ear and asked if she "sa-moke me?" (give me a blowjob?). She smiled more broadly and nodded yes. Then I leaned in again and asked how she will finish it for me, "Will you finish sa-moke with everything cum inside mouth?" (pointing to my open mouth, not my cheek, not my ear, not the top of my head, not around my face, but directly inside my open mouth and then pointed back to her to wait for her reply). Again, got the big smile and nod of agreement. So off we went.
Took a taxi to my apartment. Her demeanor and behavior was very nice and lovey-dovey inside, outside the taxi and throughout the evening really. Mild tongue kissing was plentiful. Her naked body was killer. Yep, slightly enhanced breasts but she didn't go overboard with it for her overall body type, fortunately. DATY was a delight for me since she was very well-groomed, tasted just fine and seemed to respond very well to it.
First thing she asked me after we were both naked and showered was, "You have condom?" I said, no I cannot use a condom. She said, "Must use condom for boom-boom. " I said, I understand but I wasn't planning to boom-boom, only blowjob. "Oh, that's right. Good! No condom," she said.
Unfortunately, her sa-moke/blowjob skills were very limited. Too limited for me. My guess is this girl had never gone beyond 4-5 strokes of a blowjob with her usual clientele, never had to before he was already popping all over the place, in order to have a clue what to do after that, how to vary the action, move away from the shaft, not work so hard to make a man cum with her mouth from the get-go and keep it easy and relaxed. I tried several times to get her not to go so tight with her mouth, that was not necessary from first stroke on. But, alas, it was not going to sink in and I called an end to it after about 10 minutes.
Tough call on this one. And I will generally rule in favor of the girl when it feels like a tough call. When it is an easy call, I am much more apt to reduce the amount I agreed to pay, often dramatically, thank them for their time and put them out. But in this case, Muay really did seem intent upon getting the job done so to speak, did not really seem at all to be playing games with it. But she had perhaps for the first time in her Thermae P4P career encountered a man who was so accustomed to pretty good blowjobs the standard needed to be higher than this and he was not going to pop within 4-5 strokes or 2 minutes, whichever came first, simply because a hot girl had her luscious mouth wrapped around his penis.
Boom-boom instead was not offered and I did not ask since I had already established that I could not boom-boom wearing a condom and that seemed to be a deal killer for her, which I chose to respect, of course. But our parting was still pleasant and non confrontational. No reason for it to be otherwise, really. Yes, I gave her the 2,500 baht I agreed to pay in Thermae. If I see her again and she seems as adamant about me taking her as she did this time, I will hit her with the BBFS request and see what happens.
I went back to bed after saying goodbye to Muay at my apartment building door. As sometimes happens, these things turn out for the better anyway. At 7AM I got a call from one of the hottest girls I have ever met at any massage shop (I only met her there, never partook of her massage shop offerings). 20 years old now and way above the standard for massage shop girls. In fact, the only reason she worked there was because her adoptive mom owned and managed the place. And she didn't even stay there for more than a couple of months before she left the business, left Bangkok, stopped communicating with her mom and went back up North for a while. Well, she had my Line number, was back in Bangkok to start working at a friend's factory somewhere and wanted to meet up with me. Or, more likely, wanted a place to crash for the day while she was waiting to meet her friend about the factory job later Sunday afternoon. And to earn some baht to help set up a new residence nearby. I hadn't really given her much thought since she left Bangkok last year.
I had long had the hots for her and this Sunday mid-morning, after a bit of breakfast in a restaurant nearby, it all culminated with a wonderful BBFS that I was very glad had the advantage of not being diluted (at age almost 65 now) by having Muay finish me off with a woefully inadequate blowjob the late night before. I had a full tank and was raring to go for a nice long while with this little beauty, plenty of more than adequate mutual oral foreplay included. I gave her 1,500 to help her get restarted in the big city with her new factory job and plan to have her come over every now and then for more. What a great surprise treat and unexpected addition to the stable she turned out to be.
Great report.
I probably should just get a job and stay here in Bangkok. Anyone have any leads, feel free to message me.
Hit up Nana Plaza tonight at about 8:30 PM. On the way in I stopped at Hillary 4 I think. The big one opposite Hooters. There were a few lookers but stayed for only 1 beer. Beer was 140 Baht. Went to Butterflies after and beers were only 100 for Heineken. Once inside, there are the hot tub girls and on the other side were the others. Not topless like before on the hot tub side. One thing about here are the girls all seem to be under 25. Chose a girl from the hot tub side and she came over. If you pull a girl off stage it is a 2 drink minimum which is ok for me. The first girl was cute enough, 21 with tan skin and long dirty blonde hair. #167. Worked for 8 months and has one baby but not evident, no baby damage. After some chit chat I leaned she does not like to dance, does not like to drink and does not like to go with customers. Obviously she does all these things but this was a deal breaker for me so I cut her lose. Signs of a bad experience. Next, I chose #437. White skin, medium legth black hair, and a killer spinner body with white skin. Perfect all around. When she came over, very bubbly and talkative. Curled right up beside me on the leather sofa. Two drinks later and we were off to the short time room next door. 4 LD plus one for the Moma son and 2 beers for me was 1200 Baht. Bar fine 700 Baht and short time room 350 Baht. The rooms are brand new and very modern and clean.
Now down to the action. After a quick shower where she washed me all over, on to the bed for a good BBBJ, DATY and 69. That ass was to die for. 21 years old and 1 week in the business. I was her first white guy. Before only 1 Japanese and one Chinese guy. Next position was mish and then cowgirl and a finish in doggy. Would repeat for sure as she is very fresh with no baby damage and very accommodating. Damage was 3000ST and 500 tip. I could have got her for 2,500 and No tip but who cares. The extra 1000 won't klll me. She only goes with one guy per night so if interested, go early.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2171129]Hit up Nana Plaza tonight at about 8:30 PM. On the way in I stopped at Hillary 4 I think. The big one opposite Hooters. There were a few lookers but stayed for only 1 beer. Beer was 140 Baht. Went to Butterflies after and beers were only 100 for Heineken. Once inside, there are the hot tub girls and on the other side were the others. Not topless like before on the hot tub side. One thing about here are the girls all seem to be under 25. Chose a girl from the hot tub side and she came over. If you pull a girl off stage it is a 2 drink minimum which is ok for me. The first girl was cute enough, 21 with tan skin and long dirty blonde hair. #167. Worked for 8 months and has one baby but not evident, no baby damage. After some chit chat I leaned she does not like to dance, does not like to drink and does not like to go with customers. Obviously she does all these things but this was a deal breaker for me so I cut her lose. Signs of a bad experience. Next, I chose #437. White skin, medium legth black hair, and a killer spinner body with white skin. Perfect all around. When she came over, very bubbly and talkative. Curled right up beside me on the leather sofa. Two drinks later and we were off to the short time room next door. 4 LD plus one for the Moma son and 2 beers for me was 1200 Baht. Bar fine 700 Baht and short time room 350 Baht. The rooms are brand new and very modern and clean.
Now down to the action. After a quick shower where she washed me all over, on to the bed for a good BBBJ, DATY and 69. That ass was to die for. 21 years old and 1 week in the business. I was her first white guy. Before only 1 Japanese and one Chinese guy. Next position was mish and then cowgirl and a finish in doggy. Would repeat for sure as she is very fresh with no baby damage and very accommodating. Damage was 3000ST and 500 tip. I could have got her for 2,500 and No tip but who cares. The extra 1000 won't klll me. She only goes with one guy per night so if interested, go early.[/QUOTE]I think I read this correctly. 1900 baht to get the damsel out of the bar. Another 350 for a room. 3500 for ST? 5750 baht /182 USD you're joking, right? Dahm chai. LOL Please tell me I made some miscalculations.
[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2171258]I think I read this correctly. 1900 baht to get the damsel out of the bar. Another 350 for a room. 3500 for ST? 5750 baht /182 USD you're joking, right? Dahm chai. LOL Please tell me I made some miscalculations.[/QUOTE]Yes you did. The cost to get the girl out of the bar was 700 Baht for the bar fine and 3000 Short time. Since when is the cost of drinks and a room part of the cost of getting a girl out of the bar? I could have taken her to my condo. I could have been a Cheap Charlie and ordered one beer. I could have taken the first lady. I could of not bought any lady drinks, just pointed at the girl on stage and said bar fine. I could have never left her a tip. Who goes to a bar and doesn't order any drinks? Lol lol. Or hey, better yet. I could have gone to Tulip and banged View bareback with a cream pie finish for one hour at a cost of 1,900 Baht all in. But instead, I like to mix it up and try different things. Im not sure where you came from but if you don't want to post anything sensible, then please just continue on reading. The last thing we need is another newbie complaining about the price other mongers pay for an evening out. Yes, I call you a newbie because you have 17 posts under your belt and not one post is you reporting about an encounter you had with a lady.
For me, this night comes down to something so simple and easy to understand. For 182 USD I had an evening out. Had a few beers, met and chatted with a few young ladies, bought some ladies a few drinks, listened to some music, watched some girls dancing, and shagged a lovely spinner.
Could you do my a favor and actually post a report about a girl, a location, the costs involved, your opinion of the experience, your opinion on whether to repeat or not? That would be great since thats what this board is actually about.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2171298]Yes yo did. The cost to get the girl out of the bar was 700 Baht for the bar fine and 3000 Short time. Since when is the cost of drinks and a room part of the cost of getting a girl out of the bar? I could have taken her to my condo. I could have been a Cheap Charlie and ordered one beer. I could have taken the first lady. I could of not bought any lady drinks, just pointed at the girl on stage and said bar fine. Who goes to a bar and doesn't order any drinks. I don't know what rock you crawled out from under but if you don't want to post anything sensible, then please just continue on reading. The last thing we need is another newbie complaining the price.
Could you do my a favor and actually post a report about a girl, a location, the costs involved, your opinion of the experience, your opinion on whether to repeat or not? That would be great since thats what this board is actually about.[/QUOTE]It really bums me out when guys get to arguing in here. And I don't want to get in the middle but I have to say everyone has a style and just let them roll with it. I'm kinda with BKK on this one. I enjoy going ti a few different bars and buying a bit of table side companionship and then move on. I love an evening of several different venues and different girls. And after a few hours ill find a favorite and head on.
That said. I have had girls in one of the bars try ti take advantage Deja Vu I think? Anyhow only happens once. Won't be back. Usually buying a few LDs is all part of the fun. If I counted all the dollars in the lead up it adds up. So I don't count. LOL.
For many people, having a few drinks, being in the club, taking your time choosing, this is all a part of the enjoyment of the experience. Savoring the moment. You only live once, no sense in not sniffing the aroma of the wine before you taste it.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2171298]For me, this night comes down to something so simple and easy to understand. For 182 USD I had an evening out. Had a few beers, met and chatted with a few young ladies, bought some ladies a few drinks, listened to some music, watched some girls dancing, and shagged a lovely spinner.,,
Could you do my a favor and actually post a report about a girl, a location, the costs involved, your opinion of the experience, your opinion on whether to repeat or not? That would be great since thats what this board is actually about.[/QUOTE]Hey,
If 182 USD for a couple of 35 baht beers and short time was good value to you, fine. I don't think I offered an opinion on how you spend your baht. I try to keep my opinions to myself unless asked for it. I was just stunned, that's all. Yep, a newbie to this board. Check my posts if you care.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2171298]The cost to get the girl out of the bar was 700 Baht for the bar fine and 3000 Short time. Since when is the cost of drinks and a room part of the cost of getting a girl out of the bar? I could have taken her to my condo. I could have been a Cheap Charlie and ordered one beer. I could have taken the first lady. I could of not bought any lady drinks, just pointed at the girl on stage and said bar fine. I could have never left her a tip. (snip)[/QUOTE]I am with you on this part. I have been guilty of including the cost of the Ladydrinks, taxi to and from and so on when I calculate how much this or that session ultimately cost me. But then I catch myself and realize that is not a realistic way to look at it AS LONG AS the rewards at the end were worth it. What if I hadn't taken the girl I bought 3 Ladydrinks for? What if I only bought Ladydrinks in 2-3 bars all night, never took a girl and went back to my apartment alone because I just didn't feel the right chemistry to do so on this particular night? Should I add the cost of all those Ladydrinks to the next "cost" of the session I do choose to take the next night? I say no. For now.
For now, I should consider the cost of my drinks and Ladydrinks to be paying for the entertainment I am enjoying at the moment; sitting in a cool bar, listening to the music (even if I don't care for it), watching bikini or less clad girls "dance", having a nearly naked girl on my lap, feeling her up, chatting with her, perhaps negotiating a take out session.
However, I also think it is valid and often good and proper criticism of a P4P destination to consider ALL costs leading up to ultimately getting well laid and/or blown by a girl of your choice. Even to the point of including the cost of airfare! If or when a destination like Bangkok becomes so prohibitively expensive for airfare, hotel rates, Ladydrinks, customer drinks, barfines, the girls' fees, etc., all perfectly valid topics of discussion on this and other such sites, that it clashes too much with the quality of the P4P session one is likely to finally get after all of the expenditure, I would hope it does not happen without at least SOME posters on boards like this one pushing back and warning against that unfortunate result, in at least some small way contributing to it NOT happening rather than placidly standing by in silence while it did.
Therefore, I don't agree with any move to lambaste and discourage those kinds of posts as well.
LATE EDIT: And then there is this:
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2171129] Two drinks later and we were off to the short time room next door. 4 LD plus one for the Moma son and 2 beers for me was 1200 Baht. Bar fine 700 Baht and short time room 350 Baht. The rooms are brand new and very modern and clean.
-snip-
Damage was 3000ST and 500 tip. I could have got her for 2,500 and No tip but who cares. The extra 1000 won't klll me.[/QUOTE]
The way you reported this it appeared as though you were expecting us to add all of those costs into the final result (i.e. "off to the short time room next door"). If the total cost of Ladydrinks to the girls (including the one for the girl you didn't take in this bar), the mamasan, the ST room and so on should not have been factored in to the deal, then why did you factor them in here? I mean, why not just skip that part and tell us about the 700 baht barfine, the 3,000 baht you agreed to pay for ST and the 500 baht you added as an additional tip?
It seems like you were inviting us to calculate and factor in, along with you, all of those extras to come to the total cost of reaching the final result of getting a P4P session with this girl, even to the point of including the cost of a Ladydrink for the first girl who didn't pan out.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2171365]I am with you on this part. I have been guilty of including the cost of the Ladydrinks, taxi to and from and so on when I calculate how much this or that session ultimately cost me. But then I catch myself and realize that is not a realistic way to look at it AS LONG AS the rewards at the end were worth it. What if I hadn't taken the girl I bought 3 Ladydrinks for? What if I only bought Ladydrinks in 2-3 bars all night, never took a girl and went back to my apartment alone because I just didn't feel the right chemistry to do so on this particular night? Should I add the cost of all those Ladydrinks to the next "cost" of the session I do choose to take the next night? I say no. For now.
For now, I should consider the cost of my drinks and Ladydrinks to be paying for the entertainment I am enjoying at the moment; sitting in a cool bar, listening to the music (even if I don't care for it), watching bikini or less clad girls "dance", having a nearly naked girl on my lap, feeling her up, chatting with her, perhaps negotiating a take out session.
However, I also think it is valid and often good and proper criticism of a P4P destination to consider ALL costs leading up to ultimately getting well laid and/or blown by a girl of your choice. Even to the point of including the cost of airfare! If or when a destination like Bangkok becomes so prohibitively expensive for airfare, hotel rates, Ladydrinks, customer drinks, barfines, the girls' fees, etc., all perfectly valid topics of discussion on this and other such sites, that it clashes too much with the quality of the P4P session one is likely to finally get after all of the expenditure, I would hope it does not happen without at least SOME posters on boards like this one pushing back and warning against that unfortunate result, in at least some small way contributing to it NOT happening rather than placidly standing by in silence while it did.
Therefore, I don't agree with any move to lambaste and discourage those kinds of posts as well.[/QUOTE]Interesting to how each of us look at our hobby. I break down my cost and keep the cost of sex seperate as I am holidaying as well otherwise I will never leave my city and employ high class hookers monthly to soothe the beast that lies in me. Pretty much for me to go to Thailand for 1 week my cost is a maximum 125,000 TBH so if I calculate it per girl it would be about 5800 to 6250 each. I think each to his own and someone pays overs it really doesn't affect the market as much as some say it does. I will pay from 1000 to 1500ST for a freelancer and 2000 if really good and I have had a great time with from an agogo.
My perspective on this topic.
EihTooms & Bkkdog both great reports. Everything spelled out really clearly and a great benefit to the board.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2171373]Interesting to how each of us look at our hobby. I break down my cost and keep the cost of sex seperate as I am holidaying as well otherwise I will never leave my city and employ high class hookers monthly to soothe the beast that lies in me. Pretty much for me to go to Thailand for 1 week my cost is a maximum 125,000 TBH so if I calculate it per girl it would be about 5800 to 6250 each. I think each to his own and someone pays overs it really doesn't affect the market as much as some say it does. I will pay from 1000 to 1500ST for a freelancer and 2000 if really good and I have had a great time with from an agogo.
My perspective on this topic.[/QUOTE]Yes, I suspect at some point, sitting on the plane or during a layover, many of us calculate what the entire cost of the trip was and divide it by the number of fucks and sucks we got. LOL. If even for the fun of it. Now divide it by the really GOOD fucks and sucks we got. lol. And when that cost per lay begins to tilt too far in the wrong direction, it is likely it will take longer to book the next trip, right? Maybe by only a month or two. But I can't say it would never ever be a factor.
I live here. And if the cost of non sex-related fun and pleasure of living here, the stuff I have to deal with and pay for long before I enter a go-go bar, a bj bar or arrange a date with a non P4P girl, begins to tilt too far away from the value I am getting from the fucks and sucks, I'm out. I will go somewhere else.
Yesterday I went to Nana Plaza to one of my favourite bars there. It's Erotica. It's on the left side between the second and third floor in the corner. Chang beer were 95 Baht the last years. I asked the guy at the door if it's still 95 but he said no, now it's 120 Baht. It's still a good price so I asked again. One two zero Baht? He confirmed. I went inside and ordered a chang. I didn't check the bill (big mistake). After a while I paid a lady drink and another chang for me. I wasn't in the mood for the girl and asked for the bill. It comes with 510 Baht! Chang 170 Baht. I asked why 170 the guy said 120. She just said, no it's 170. I went to mamasan and asked her about the bill. She said the boys outside don't speak good English. It must be a misunderstanding, chang is 170. How can it be a misunderstanding? I asked twice. I paid the bill and left. After about an hour I came back and asked another guy at the door about the price. He also said 120 Baht. So for me it's getting people inside the bar by telling them a cheaper price. Rip off. Be careful if you go there or better don't go there at all. I will not.
By the way. LD 170, barfine 700, room 350 and the girl 2500 for short time. That 's at least what they said.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2171298] For 182 USD I had an evening out. Had a few beers, met and chatted with a few young ladies, bought some ladies a few drinks, listened to some music, watched some girls dancing, and shagged a lovely spinner.[/QUOTE]An admirable perspective Dog. The odd thing about the post you responded to was usually newbies are all agog when they first arrive and money is the least of their priorities as compared to us old codgers who groan on about higher prices, lower service yada yada yada.
Getting laid here can be anything from 500 to 25000. High end escorts, 5* hotel club pickups, cowboy coyotes and go go's in general are at the high end all the way to the down on her luck street worker with myriad choices in-between.
So whatever your budget there is something for you. It's simple if you don't feel like spending an evening out costing 6000 don't. Plan instead to party where it costs 3000, 2000, 1000 or whatever you want to spend and enjoy.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2171365]
The way you reported this it appeared as though you were expecting us to add all of those costs into the final result (i.e. "off to the short time room next door"). If the total cost of Ladydrinks to the girls (including the one for the girl you didn't take in this bar), the mamasan, the ST room and so on should not have been factored in to the deal, then why did you factor them in here? I mean, why not just skip that part and tell us about the 700 baht barfine, the 3,000 baht you agreed to pay for ST and the 500 baht you added as an additional tip?
It seems like you were inviting us to calculate and factor in, along with you, all of those extras to come to the total cost of reaching the final result of getting a P4P session with this girl, even to the point of including the cost of a Ladydrink for the first girl who didn't pan out.[/QUOTE]Well. It is quite obvious why I posted all those details. If one wants to visit Thailand, they can see a real life example of how much a typical evening will cost at Nana Plaza and the condition of the short time rooms and so forth. Frankly, I am sick and tired of comments like the Op's on the board. Other members seem to appreciate my posts as they have been quoted in the reports of distinction thread on many occasions. Of course I want other members to calculate how much an evening will cost but it's completely ridiculous to say I want to invite others to factor in all those expenses into the cost per girl. Why the hell do we have to analyze posts to this extent? I like your reports but sometimes I just don't get you.
I suggest everyone just stop all this krap and submit reports. That way people can learn. Right now the forum is cluttered with so much garbage, its ridiculous!
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2171298]Could you do my a favor and actually post a report about a girl, a location, the costs involved, your opinion of the experience, your opinion on whether to repeat or not? That would be great since thats what this board is actually about.[/QUOTE]Whoa! Forgot about this gem. You note that I've made 17 posts without addressing your interests.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2171447]Well. It is quite obvious why I posted all those details. If one wants to visit Thailand, they can see a real life example of how much a typical evening will cost at Nana Plaza and the condition of the short time rooms and so forth. Frankly, I am sick and tired of comments like the Op's on the board. Other members seem to appreciate my posts as they have been quoted in the reports of distinction thread on many occasions. Of course I want other members to calculate how much an evening will cost but it's completely ridiculous to say I want to invite others to factor in all those expenses into the cost per girl. Why the hell do we have to analyze posts to this extent? I like your reports but sometimes I just don't get you.
I suggest everyone just stop all this krap and submit reports. That way people can learn. Right now the forum is cluttered with so much garbage, its ridiculous![/QUOTE]But, Bkkdog, you're the one doing a lot of analyzing of other people's posts. I don't think they are as nefarious or negatively intended as you seem to believe some are.
It looked like you were yourself factoring in the cost of the drinks in order to get to the final result when you introduced the calculations with, "Two drinks later and we were off to the short time room next door. 4 LD plus one for the Moma son and 2 beers for me was 1200 Baht," which, as I said, even included the cost of a Ladydrink for the girl you didn't take to a ST room. in fact, it included the cost of the two Ladydrinks for two ladies you didn't take into that ST room and your own drinks. It isn't as though you merely cited how much a Ladydrink costs in this bar. See, you added the costs of all of your LD purchases together, even those for two women who did not go into that ST room with you and your own drinks, and then framed it as though those costs ought to be factored into how you finally got into that ST room with one of them.
Come to think of it, maybe all of those additional costs DID have something to do with how good your girl was for you in that ST room. Did that ever occur to you? It sure would have occurred to ME had I been in your position. Perhaps the total cost ought to be part of this report in ways you hadn't fully realized. After all, your first choice girl, the first one you bought a LD for and interviewed but she came across as less than enthusiastic to do her job by being with you or anyone else, had no idea yet how much you were going to ultimately spend in that bar on her, the mamasan and all that. But the second one who did go into the ST room with you and gave you a good time saw the whole thing unfold and was able to do her own total calculations in her head. And then add 3,000 baht to that, perhaps even suspecting you would be generous enough to add an additional 500 baht or more if she really gave you her best. Not so unusual, remarkable or outrageous about factoring all of this into it.
Who says there is nothing to learn by "analyzing" some of these reports a tad more than one might think worthwhile when we first post them?
Considering that is not an unusual way for many of us to calculate the ultimate cost of the Big Event for the evening, it didn't even occur to me that the questioning of it would be met with such outrage. It's just not that big a deal. I would have responded with something more like, "Yeah, some guys might see it that way. But I don't. I feel like the money I spent on those extra costs provided their own entertainment value separate from the specific cost of the ST. And if spending that much contributed to my having as enjoyable a time in that ST room as I did, then I am all for it."
Went to Thermae last night; it was packed with gals. Last time I was there was last year, and it didn't even come close to that. Maybe it's just my timing, but I wasn't expecting it on a Tuesday. Men were outnumbered at least 6 to 1. Some more guys showed up at random times, but the numbers never even got close to 3 to 1. Not a crazy amount of lookers, though. I chatted with a couple, but they indicated I was the wrong color. A couple of the other white guys seemed to be doing fine, but they were chatting up some of the 30 some odd year old looking ones while I was chatting up the early 20's ones. The guys I was hanging out with indicated that their partners for the night (who also seemed to be friends or at least a clique of some sort) took 2.5 k baht and 2 k baht for short time. Their girls weren't really my type though (appeared to be early 30's) so I ended up opting not to grab a girl from that group. Quite a few girls were staring me down (when not buried in their phones), so it's not like I was getting no attention, but again, not my type. Beer is still cheap-ish for that kind of establishment at 110 baht a bottle for a singha so I ended up just drinking for a while and leaving 'round 11.
On the topic of those types of establishments, anything comparable to Thermae around anymore? There used to be that Lions Den place with the shark tank, but that's gone now. I see mention of a Beer Garden or maybe it's Bier Garten but I'm really not familiar with it. I saw a Beer Garden on soi 7 but the crowd looked significantly older at the time so I'm not sure that's the one that's discussed. I know Climax is also mostly a working girl pick up joint, but I'm not really in love with the atmosphere. Recommendations welcome. Thanks.
Do they exist in BKK? I was doing some research and I came across names of 2 clubs that supposedly had South American ladies (Columbian) but both those clubs have now shut down. So does anyone know if there is any club / bar in BKK where one can find Columbian or Brazilian ladies? I did RTFF but couldn't find anything. I'll be in BKK this coming weekend to fuck my Uzbek lady friend for 3 days but wouldn't mind trying someone else on the side.
Thanks!
Cheers.
Having read the forums on and off I thought it about time I made a contribution by reporting on how I got on this past week.
Nana / Soi Cowboy:
Had a wonder around and a fair few stunners to be seen in Rainbow 4, Billboard and Bacarra. Watching interaction with other customers and noticed very few girls offering LT. All offering ST around the 3500 baht mark plus bar fines. I think many went home without any customers as there wasn't a high uptake. I stayed for one drink in each and moved on.
Oily Massage:
I love a good massage, but I'm super fussy about who I choose. I found the selection this week pretty poor if I'm honest. 102 Massage in Soi 24 had for me by far the best lineup. I had a good session there and I'd say there was something for everyone on offer here. Exploring further, I also recommend Pin at Boss Massage. Age 25 with a great figure and she provided a fantastic service. Cost was 2200 baht for 2 shots. She had great massage skills, and a very playful personality right from the start through to the end of the session. I was passing a couple of evenings later, wondering about a massage when she spotted me and rushed over, gave me a big hug and dragged me in for a repeat session. Decision made for me! My second recommendation is Mugi at Mitu on Soi 33 - age 21 with slender model looks with an amazing figure and a great super sexy attitude. This place is for nuru and soapy massages with rates set more like the larger soapy establishments. 2 shots with Mugi was 4600 baht but was probably one of the best experiences ever. After the B2B and first round on the air mattress she couldn't wait to jump me again and get started on the bed for round 2. As with Pim we went through every position imaginable and she was determined to satisfy.
Thermae:
I went in around midnight and it was quite quiet. A lot of youngsters there but nothing much to my taste. After a short while someone caught my eye. A very elegant late 20's lady offered me some sweets she was sharing around. We ended up chatting which was when I discovered just how super fit she was, hiding an amazing body. We were thrown out at closing around 2 am, then went on to a few bars until around 4 after which we headed back to my hotel for a great session. She was working the following day so left early morning but offered to take me out on the town the following evening after work. We had great fun that second evening and all night in fact. It was a full-on girlfriend experience that was most enjoyable. What made the whole experience for me was that at no stage did money come up in conversation. Not once. When we went our separate ways the following day we exchanged details and I gave her the equivalent of what she would have earned which she was very appreciative of but didn't ask for. Why pay for something free you may wonder? Well it was what I had budgeted, well worth every penny, and will hopefully ensure I'm looked after another time our paths cross.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2172320]Do they exist in BKK? I was doing some research and I came across names of 2 clubs that supposedly had South American ladies (Columbian) but both those clubs have now shut down. So does anyone know if there is any club / bar in BKK where one can find Columbian or Brazilian ladies? I did RTFF but couldn't find anything. I'll be in BKK this coming weekend to fuck my Uzbek lady friend for 3 days but wouldn't mind trying someone else on the side.
Thanks!
Cheers.[/QUOTE]Try Mixx. A couple of years I went to this disco and met several ladies from Colombia. As you can imagine, they were hardened pro's but they were attractive.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2171447]Well. It is quite obvious why I posted all those details. If one wants to visit Thailand, they can see a real life example of how much a typical evening will cost at Nana Plaza and the condition of the short time rooms and so forth. Frankly, I am sick and tired of comments like the Op's on the board. Other members seem to appreciate my posts as they have been quoted in the reports of distinction thread on many occasions. Of course I want other members to calculate how much an evening will cost but it's completely ridiculous to say I want to invite others to factor in all those expenses into the cost per girl. Why the hell do we have to analyze posts to this extent? I like your reports but sometimes I just don't get you.
I suggest everyone just stop all this krap and submit reports. That way people can learn. Right now the forum is cluttered with so much garbage, its ridiculous![/QUOTE]You and I share the same goal; to have a great evening / afternoon with the talking, drinking, and watching as a necessary prelude the main event. So, I enjoyed reading your posts and I find them helpful. In a similar sense, my total expenditures might equal twice the cost of actual time alone with the girl. My most recent experience was at Som's Haven. I went there for mid-day sojourn and was immediately grabbed by a rather heavy, loud, tattooed woman. I was assured by Som that she was an "absolute expert" and that no one else would be available for another 30 minutes. I probably could have received excellent oral and been out of there in 30 min for 700 baht. But I chose instead to hang out, drink some beer and had an opportunity to talk to four of the girls before I settled on a cute little spinner MILF. She was 33 years old and has two kids. I know she's not really your type but I'm a little older so it was perfect for me. Excellent attitude, cute face and shape, and near perfect English, also very self-conscious of her smallish breast size. I assured her, not a problem for me. I spent about three hours with her, drank some beer, met her sister and one of her friends, received excellent massage and full-service with a stellar finish. I went back to the hotel with a big smile and took a long nap. An afternoon at a BJ Bar was a total expenditure was about 3500 baht and worth every baht to me.
[QUOTE=LuckyLew;2172395]My most recent experience was at Som's Haven. <SNIP> I probably could have received excellent oral and been out of there in 30 min for 700 baht. But I chose instead to hang out, drink some beer and had an opportunity to talk to four of the girls before I settled on a cute little spinner MILF. She was 33 years old and has two kids. I know she's not really your type but I'm a little older so it was perfect for me. Excellent attitude, cute face and shape, and near perfect English, also very self-conscious of her smallish breast size. I assured her, not a problem for me. I spent about three hours with her, drank some beer, met her sister and one of her friends, received excellent massage and full-service with a stellar finish. I went back to the hotel with a big smile and took a long nap. An afternoon at a BJ Bar was a total expenditure was about 3500 baht and worth every baht to me.[/QUOTE]This is an interesting story. I am glad you had a good time. It does not matter if the girl is not my type or anyone else's type. If you like this girl and want to see her again, you might want to consider taking her out of Som's to your hotel. A 2 hour outcall would be around 800 baht extra on top of Som's normal full service 2 hour fee.
P.S. Welcome to the forum. Nice 1st report.
[QUOTE=LuckyLew;2172395]-snip-
My most recent experience was at Som's Haven. I went there for mid-day sojourn and was immediately grabbed by a rather heavy, loud, tattooed woman. I was assured by Som that she was an "absolute expert" and that no one else would be available for another 30 minutes. I probably could have received excellent oral and been out of there in 30 min for 700 baht. But I chose instead to hang out, drink some beer and had an opportunity to talk to four of the girls before I settled on a cute little spinner MILF. She was 33 years old and has two kids. I know she's not really your type but I'm a little older so it was perfect for me. Excellent attitude, cute face and shape, and near perfect English, also very self-conscious of her smallish breast size. I assured her, not a problem for me. I spent about three hours with her, drank some beer, met her sister and one of her friends, received excellent massage and full-service with a stellar finish. I went back to the hotel with a big smile and took a long nap. An afternoon at a BJ Bar was a total expenditure was about 3500 baht and worth every baht to me.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. I am surprised Som was there. She has not been present the last few times I stopped by and other previous Som's Haven regulars have been saying the same. And, hate to say it, but I think you made the right move in ignoring Som's high recommendation for that or any other girl in the place these days. I would not have said that 3-4 years ago when she used to be very good at steering me towards some of the best providers I have ever experienced in a BJ Bar. Then she would say something in Thai to the girl as we started to go upstairs and, whatever it was, those earlier Som's Haven girls she recommended to me really delivered the goods beyond expectations.
But that took a turn at some point and, frankly, her recommendations over the past 2-3 years turned out to be some of the worst I have ever experienced. Not that she purposely tries to pawn off the worst, least popular (deservedly so) providers onto whoever is ready to choose. I just think she no longer has a clue or cares which ones are good, bad or indifferent, what they do upstairs, whether they get enthusiastic repeat customers or what the repercussions might be if the customer is not well taken care of. Consequently, I have only taken 1-2 girls there over the past couple of years. I have stopped in to have a drink and say hi to Som, who is now rarely there. But I am no longer inspired to take a girl upstairs very often.
[QUOTE=TrueBlue666;2171893]
On the topic of those types of establishments, anything comparable to Thermae around anymore? There used to be that Lions Den place with the shark tank, but that's gone now. I see mention of a Beer Garden or maybe it's Bier Garten but I'm really not familiar with it. I saw a Beer Garden on soi 7 but the crowd looked significantly older at the time so I'm not sure that's the one that's discussed. I know Climax is also mostly a working girl pick up joint, but I'm not really in love with the atmosphere. Recommendations welcome. Thanks.[/QUOTE]The Beer Garden in Soi 7 is "the" well known and traditional one.
Full of MILF types, a few youngsters can be found, mostly inexperienced and poor English. The hardened ladies are more skilled.
You can eat, drink with no pressure in there. Of course you get some eyes and attempts to lure you but it is all easy going.
Seen the developments going on the area, I am expecting thst land sooner or later will be taken to build a multi storey hotel or a mall. Beer Garden will disappear and a piece of bkk history will be gone.
[QUOTE=TrueBlue666;2171893]
On the topic of those types of establishments, anything comparable to Thermae around anymore? There used to be that Lions Den place with the shark tank, but that's gone now. I see mention of a Beer Garden or maybe it's Bier Garten but I'm really not familiar with it. I saw a Beer Garden on soi 7 but the crowd looked significantly older at the time so I'm not sure that's the one that's discussed. I know Climax is also mostly a working girl pick up joint, but I'm not really in love with the atmosphere. Recommendations welcome. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately Thermae is your best bet for FL action in Sukhumvit. Besides Thermae its really mostly 30+ year old older girls.
Biergarten is all older ladies. 40+. The 30 somethings from Thermae would be the youngest ones there.
Climaxx is now gone. Completely shut.
Oskar is also more older girls. High class, nicely dressed and coiffed and they ask an arm and a leg. But an occasional young gem can be found there.
The crowd form Oskar goes to Levels later in the evening. Otherwise not much there.
Insanity sucks. Did not see one attractive girl when I was there (maybe because they had a concert and were charging at the door).
Hilary bars on Nana are worth a peek for FL action. But like finding a needle in a haystack.
[QUOTE=LuckyLew;2172395]You and I share the same goal; to have a great evening / afternoon with the talking, drinking, and watching as a necessary prelude the main event. So, I enjoyed reading your posts and I find them helpful. In a similar sense, my total expenditures might equal twice the cost of actual time alone with the girl. My most recent experience was at Som's Haven. I went there for mid-day sojourn and was immediately grabbed by a rather heavy, loud, tattooed woman. I was assured by Som that she was an "absolute expert" and that no one else would be available for another 30 minutes. I probably could have received excellent oral and been out of there in 30 min for 700 baht. But I chose instead to hang out, drink some beer and had an opportunity to talk to four of the girls before I settled on a cute little spinner MILF. She was 33 years old and has two kids. I know she's not really your type but I'm a little older so it was perfect for me. Excellent attitude, cute face and shape, and near perfect English, also very self-conscious of her smallish breast size. I assured her, not a problem for me. I spent about three hours with her, drank some beer, met her sister and one of her friends, received excellent massage and full-service with a stellar finish. I went back to the hotel with a big smile and took a long nap. An afternoon at a BJ Bar was a total expenditure was about 3500 baht and worth every baht to me.[/QUOTE]Great example. I myself like to do the same when I go out.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2172320]Do they exist in BKK? I was doing some research and I came across names of 2 clubs that supposedly had South American ladies (Columbian) but both those clubs have now shut down. So does anyone know if there is any club / bar in BKK where one can find Columbian or Brazilian ladies? I did RTFF but couldn't find anything. I'll be in BKK this coming weekend to fuck my Uzbek lady friend for 3 days but wouldn't mind trying someone else on the side.
Thanks!
Cheers.[/QUOTE]There is also a dedicated thread for this topic which if you read it, you might find some info. Just a suggestion.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2172634]Insanity sucks. Did not see one attractive girl when I was there (maybe because they had a concert and were charging at the door).[/QUOTE]I myself would have to say that Insanity is hit and miss. However, it has adopted most if not all of the working girls who used to frequent Climax so the talent is there. You just need to weed through all the people. I myself have had great times in there. One in particular which ended with BBFS CIP with an extremely attractive girl. Damage was 3,000 for 2 hours. I could have gotten it for 2,500 but I never see the point of haggling over 500 Baht. It normally makes the session go much smoother.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2172736]I myself would have to say that Insanity is hit and miss. However, it has adopted most if not all of the working girls who used to frequent Climax so the talent is there. You just need to weed through all the people. I myself have had great times in there. One in particular which ended with BBFS CIP with an extremely attractive girl. Damage was 3,000 for 2 hours. I could have gotten it for 2,500 but I never see the point of haggling over 500 Baht. It normally makes the session go much smoother.[/QUOTE]Admittedly I was only there once. But I never did like the Old Insanity either so perhaps this is why I was so quick to judge. Maybe worth another look. Though I think next time in BKK I will probably stay in Patpong and focus on the gogos there.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2172591]Thanks for the report. I am surprised Som was there. She has not been present the last few times I stopped by and other previous Som's Haven regulars have been saying the same. And, hate to say it, but I think you made the right move in ignoring Som's high recommendation for that or any other girl in the place these days. I would not have said that 3-4 years ago when she used to be very good at steering me towards some of the best providers I have ever experienced in a BJ Bar. Then she would say something in Thai to the girl as we started to go upstairs and, whatever it was, those earlier Som's Haven girls she recommended to me really delivered the goods beyond expectations.
But that took a turn at some point and, frankly, her recommendations over the past 2-3 years turned out to be some of the worst I have ever experienced. Not that she purposely tries to pawn off the worst, least popular (deservedly so) providers onto whoever is ready to choose. I just think she no longer has a clue or cares which ones are good, bad or indifferent, what they do upstairs, whether they get enthusiastic repeat customers or what the repercussions might be if the customer is not well taken care of. Consequently, I have only taken 1-2 girls there over the past couple of years. I have stopped in to have a drink and say hi to Som, who is now rarely there. But I am no longer inspired to take a girl upstairs very often.[/QUOTE]I think she has lost interest in personally running the business because she doesn't have to. She can make just as much money off of her girls as any repeat customer. I doubt there is a single lady in a given month that has not paid 1000's of baht for a sick day, family emergency or even being a few minutes late (note the time clock behind the bar). I understand the need to demand some discipline in your work force to run a successful business but I would guess that some of the poor performance is due to the lady being sick and not able to afford a day off. I'm sure this is why she has such a large staff. No cost at all to her and the opportunity to make money when they service a customer or need to take time off. That said there are a few hard working ladies there so I still like to visit on occasion and I am quite satisfied with the service.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2172320]Do they exist in BKK? I was doing some research and I came across names of 2 clubs that supposedly had South American ladies (Columbian) but both those clubs have now shut down. So does anyone know if there is any club / bar in BKK where one can find Columbian or Brazilian ladies? I did RTFF but couldn't find anything. I'll be in BKK this coming weekend to fuck my Uzbek lady friend for 3 days but wouldn't mind trying someone else on the side.
Thanks!
Cheers.[/QUOTE]I am currently in Saô Paulo, Brazil, after spending 10 days in Colombia. I can tell you that the service you get locally is far superior to what you get overseas from these girls. I had a couple of Colombian girls at the FKKs over the years, and the service was way below par. That is because typically only hardcore girls go overseas to work, and they are more focused on making money than giving good service. I like Colombian girls. Besides the FKKs, you may find them in Hong Kong, Singapore, and China. I don't know about Thailand.
Had some things to do in Bangkok on Friday, so took the BTS up from home, and decided to stay the weekend.
Friday night I fell asleep and didn't wake up until 2 am, but it was kind of fun to walk around Soi 4 at that time (and later) and see all of the offers thrown my way. I was really still half asleep, and hadn't planned on partaking, but this cute little gal from Pattaya made me an offer I couldn't say no to.
If you're pretty cute, have a nice little body (doesn't have to be perfect), have your hand up my shorts, and I'm STILL fighting off the urge to go with you, well: offering 1000 Baht (room price included) will certainly sway my decision making. I got her name, but forgot to put it in my phone, didn't get her LINE, but I was going to meet up with her the next night, but she said she was going back to Pattaya. I said, maybe I'll see you down there one weekend. And then failed to get any contact info.
I WAS in a haze.
Saturday night, after a busy day, I decided to just go hang in some of the clubs, have a few drinks and observe. I was again, really impressed with BUTTERFLIES. The place was very upbeat, well lit, and they had a young, attractive group of ladies there, all in day glo bikini's (someone is making some good decision's in this place). And really, an extra point for the place in that the number of girls eye Fkking me from stage was better than at any other place I went to that night. I like this club.
I then realized there were bars in Nana I had never been in before. WELL known go go bars, and I figured now would be a good time to check them out. Twister Bar I went into for the first time and even though the selection I thought was only fair (#921 had a sweet little body, cute face, and hot ass), the place had a decent crowd partying and having fun. I need to explore more often!
Rainbow 4, I had never been in! Now they had a decent selection of ladies. A few I thought were very much worthy, AND they had a rockin' crowd. I had no idea! Before Butterflies, I had stopped in Mandarin and whatever the one is to the left of it that goes upstairs. I just pretended I was looking for someone, because I didn't want to even stay and have a water.
I spent the longest time at Billboard (naturally), partly so I could Shazam the DJ's playlist for some cool remixes, though he wasn't really doing any real mixing, just playing popular stuff and slamming them back to back. Not a slag to him, the crowd was enjoying the music, it just wasn't like at Baccara, where they're actually mixing and matching beats, and no one is paying any attention except my goofy ass. Just sayin'.
Anyway, Billboard had some good eye candy. In particular, a guy sitting near me had #39. She has kind of a square jaw or something, still pretty, for sure, and maybe a little larger boob job than necessary (who am I to say? But man, what a hot, flawless body. Smokin' hot. He left with her after a few rounds of drinks and grinding.
I saw #54 each time it was her turn to go onstage, with a tall, slender body and a perfect ass, but she'd never be there when the stage would come around for a second showing. I couldn't see where or who she was sitting with, or if it was even the same guy buying her down, but she would literally last one rotation on stage each time. Pretty sure she was a smaller boob size (always looking at that ass and then. Boom. Gone), but still very hot.
Bangkok Bunnies, I went through. The waitresses drive me nuts there. Saw Margie, to me, the hottest gal in Nana, but she was busy with someone and didn't get a chance to talk. I need to see her again for sure one of these nights. Lollipop has some ok girls, for such a small club, though I'm pretty sure I see a Post-op in there on stage, that I used to have a few drinks with. Hmmm. Anyway, that's about it. Got mauled by a few Ladyboys on the way home, appreciate the attention, but went home alone, not much else to report.
[QUOTE=IloveTits;2171403]Yesterday I went to Nana Plaza to one of my favourite bars there. It's Erotica. It's on the left side between the second and third floor in the corner. Chang beer were 95 Baht the last years. I asked the guy at the door if it's still 95 but he said no, now it's 120 Baht. It's still a good price so I asked again. One two zero Baht? He confirmed. I went inside and ordered a chang. I didn't check the bill (big mistake). After a while I paid a lady drink and another chang for me. I wasn't in the mood for the girl and asked for the bill. It comes with 510 Baht! Chang 170 Baht. I asked why 170 the guy said 120. She just said, no it's 170. I went to mamasan and asked her about the bill. She said the boys outside don't speak good English. It must be a misunderstanding, chang is 170. How can it be a misunderstanding? I asked twice. I paid the bill and left. After about an hour I came back and asked another guy at the door about the price. He also said 120 Baht. So for me it's getting people inside the bar by telling them a cheaper price. Rip off. Be careful if you go there or better don't go there at all. I will not.
By the way. LD 170, barfine 700, room 350 and the girl 2500 for short time. That 's at least what they said.[/QUOTE]I can't say I have ever been in Erotica. I don't remember it.
Yes its a big mistake to ask anyone outside the bar or even talk to them. We hear reports of scams in the ladyboy bars as well, and the Arab's bars in Soi cowboy (Kiss, Sahara, Deja Vu, Midnite, Spice Girls, Rio) are now not to be visited unless you want to meet the Thai bouncers after getting an inflated bill.
Stay with the recommended bars. I always check my bill in any bar I am not used to, especially after ordering the first drink. Many bars will show you a menu of prices for drinks.
[QUOTE=IloveTits;2171403]Yesterday I went to Nana Plaza to one of my favourite bars there. It's Erotica. It's on the left side between the second and third floor in the corner. Chang beer were 95 Baht the last years. I asked the guy at the door if it's still 95 but he said no, now it's 120 Baht. It's still a good price so I asked again. One two zero Baht? He confirmed. I went inside and ordered a chang. I didn't check the bill (big mistake). After a while I paid a lady drink and another chang for me. I wasn't in the mood for the girl and asked for the bill. It comes with 510 Baht! Chang 170 Baht. I asked why 170 the guy said 120. She just said, no it's 170. I went to mamasan and asked her about the bill. She said the boys outside don't speak good English. It must be a misunderstanding, chang is 170. How can it be a misunderstanding? I asked twice. I paid the bill and left. After about an hour I came back and asked another guy at the door about the price. He also said 120 Baht. So for me it's getting people inside the bar by telling them a cheaper price. Rip off. Be careful if you go there or better don't go there at all. I will not.
By the way. LD 170, barfine 700, room 350 and the girl 2500 for short time. That 's at least what they said.[/QUOTE]I must have missed this post when it first appeared and just now caught it when Syzygies quoted from it.
Ok, this might sound weird, but in my experience the absolute most often misunderstood number when spoken by a Thai person speaking English is when they say "70". It ALWAYS sounds to me like they are saying "20" instead of "70". It happens so often, whenever I hear a Thai person saying what sounds to me like "120", "220" or whatever, I automatically assume they are actually saying "170", "270" and so on. And if I test it I am never surprised when I give them one or two hundred baht notes along with a 20 baht note and they look at me and wait like I haven't given them rest of it. Ask them to repeat it and they will still say something that sounds like "20" and not "70".
Seriously. It happens at the cinema snack bars, the restaurants, the malls, everywhere. It is not a trick or a scam. There is just something about the way a native Thai speaker says "70" in English that sounds like they are saying "20" to us. They stumble over the "s", it come out sounding like a "t", the "v" comes out as a "w" (typical in Thai speaking) and then they separate the syllables and emphasize them in a way we native English speakers don't expect to hear in the word "70".
It comes out as "teh-wen-ty" (70), which a native English speaker would assume is the way a non native English speaker might say "20", right?
Btw, I am not a big fan of Erotica go-go bar because the girls in there rarely paid any attention to me, a farang, once I sat down and bought a drink. But they did seem to be very, very interested whenever an old Asian guy or guys come in. But I haven't been in there for so long, at least a couple of years, maybe that trend has changed.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2174295]Seriously. It happens at the cinema snack bars, the restaurants, the malls, everywhere. It is not a trick or a scam. There is just something about the way a native Thai speaker says "70" in English that sounds like they are saying "20" to us. They stumble over the "s", it come out sounding like a "t", the "v" comes out as a "w" (typical in Thai speaking) and then they separate the syllables and emphasize them in a way we native English speakers don't expect to hear in the word "70".
It comes out as "teh-wen-ty" (70), which a native English speaker would assume is the way a non native English speaker might say "20", right?
[/QUOTE]LOL.
20 should sound like Ta-wen-tee and 70 should sound like Se-wen-tee. S sound on start of a syllable is quite normal in Thai language so I do not really understand why they would stumble on it. I probably rarely experience these things since I would only ever ask the price in Thai language, but for sure I get confused if they answer in English. I understand Thai a lot better than Thais speaking poor English.
I have a great of problem hearing a difference between 15 and 50 from Thais. They most certainly cannot say "The sixth sick Shiek's sixth sheep is sick" or even get remotely close, let alone say it fast. "x", "ks", and "th" don't exist in Thai sounds, and "xth" is quite ridiculous.
Thais sometimes have difficulty picking the difference between my 21 and 28 in Thai.
21 is "Yee-sip et" and 28 is "Yee-sip Bpaet" (tones do not differ). I have to make sure I say the last syllable very distinctly, as obviously my accent is having some effect. The later has a much wider open mouth as well has having the beginning consonant and a long vowel instead of short, so the two do not seem at all similar. Perhaps I fail to close my mouth sufficiently on "Et" and make it short enough and separate it from the "p" on the end of "sip". So I can see where the problem lies, and make an effort to be extra distinct and clear. American drawl would make it even worse (fortunately I am not American with exaggerated long vowel sounds). Americans speaking Thai can sound so funny with drawl effects. Hopefully some American speakers can reduce or eliminate that.
I like bars where girls pay no attention to me until I give them the signal. LOL
[QUOTE=Lefeu;2173035]I am currently in Sa Paulo, Brazil, after spending 10 days in Colombia. I can tell you that the service you get locally is far superior to what you get overseas from these girls. I had a couple of Colombian girls at the FKKs over the years, and the service was way below par. That is because typically only hardcore girls go overseas to work, and they are more focused on making money than giving good service. I like Colombian girls. Besides the FKKs, you may find them in Hong Kong, Singapore, and China. I don't know about Thailand.[/QUOTE]They also not look much for repeat customers anyhow.
In FKK there is a rotation, in Asia, too as they travel the circuit. Their customer base comes and goes and it is unlinkely the same customer calls them for a repeat during the course of their stay.
They mainly sort out a hitch.
Is it just me or is it awfully difficult to find a decent looking girl during daytime around Soi 4?
I did most bars along the street, but only met below average looking girls.
I finally picked up a not too bad looking girl who's sat at the corner of Soi 4 and Nana City hotel (she's there every day), name Kan (I guess), paid 2000 short time for a pretty good fuck.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2174328]LOL.
20 should sound like Ta-wen-tee and 70 should sound like Se-wen-tee. S sound on start of a syllable is quite normal in Thai language so I do not really understand why they would stumble on it.[/QUOTE]I don't know why either. But many times the word "70" does not start with a clean and clear "s" when they say "70" in English. Like maybe they are tempted to say "jet sib" and out comes a "j" or hard "ch" sound that comes close enough to a "t" to fool the native English speaker's ear into thinking the word is "20", especially when it is followed by "wen-ty" instead of "venty". But even when I am aware and prepared for the possibility, that word "seventy" still sounds for all the world to be "tehwenty".
However, that would not exactly account for what the Erotica go-go bar doorman was up to when the customer asked for further confirmation by indicating "1-2-zero?" But by then I assume the doorman did what most Thai service people do and just zone out and start thinking how he is going to master that Candy Crush game as soon as he gets to his smartphone.
[QUOTE=GoodShag;2174357]Is it just me or is it awfully difficult to find a decent looking girl during daytime around Soi 4?
I did most bars along the street, but only met below average looking girls.
I finally picked up a not too bad looking girl who's sat at the corner of Soi 4 and Nana City hotel (she's there every day), name Kan (I guess), paid 2000 short time for a pretty good fuck.[/QUOTE]Daytime better relay on Thai friendly. Bar or gogo girls being at home looking for some extra and of "night" quality.
Bearing in mind the night hawks can't stsnd on the street 20 hrs a day.
But surely can lay on somebody's bed for a fee.
Dear All,
Been away for a while, during my last visit to BKK, much surprise at NEP, there seems to be a reshuffle as to the venue of some est such as Rainbow 4 etc. Also was quoted LT at 6500 to 7000 BHT. I wonder if there is any inflation around that place as normally in the past LT at BHT 4500 and ST at BHT 2500 marked, any update info on the on going rate as well as BF of the club?
Cheers,
MD.
The night started out great with a good dinner at the English pub on Soi 4 opposite Hillary. After that, I remembered a post by Monkeypaw about a hot girl from a bar named Heidelberg. It is just a few doors down from Hillary. As I arrived, there were no girls sitting outside, no girls inside, and only a few old men siting inside. I asked the waitress if there were ever any girls working there and she replied never. We are only a restaurant and hotel. I confirmed and even mentioned about my friend. She replied that the boss did not like the idea of freelancers hanging around and never ever allowed it.
I then moved on to Nana Plaza. First, after sticking my head into the usual haunts and. Not seeing anything worthwhile, I went into Billboard. A huge selection of girls on both the normal stage and on the jacuzzi side. On this night however, the quality was just not to my liking. I really wanted to get laid so I chose number 48. A very cute little spinner with a great petit body and dark tanned skin. Not my normal style but I was game. Invited her down for a drink. Was cohersed into the normal 2 drinks you must buy when you request a lady who is already dancing. Alas, when she arrived, there was absolutely no chemistry at all and after she finished her drinks, I cut her loose. A clear sign of a bad session.
Then I moved onto twisters. I looked in and there were a lot of girls on both stages but the club was rammed with customers so I didn't stay.
OK, so I decided I will go back to butterflies after my good experience from before. Saw my previous little spinner but I think after the good pounding I gave her before, she prefers Asian customers as she didn't even look my way. The selection and quality of young girls there was excellent again. After ordering my beer, I asked a waitress to call over a real cute spinner from the jacuzzi side. Here's where things started to go downhill. The waitress said you must buy two drinks for her. I said I already know and that was fine. Then she asked me again. I said in Thai Mai pen rai, which means no problem. Then she went to the stage and spoke to the girl. After that, again with the question about 2 lady drinks. I said again, I understand. Finally, the girl came over, got her drinks and sat down. We had some good chit chat and then I asked her if she wanted another drink and she said, I will go to the toilet and be right back. When she returned I said what would you like to drink? She said she has to go dance. I said but we are drinking together and how many more drinks would you like? I'm ok to buy them. I offered 6 all at the same time. She just stood up and walked away. At this point, I was furious and she was obviously just trying to get a couple of extra Last drinks and then go back to another customer. Low and behold, as I insisted to talk with the manager, I was told she had already agreed to go with another customer and bar fine. Confirmed dirt bag move by the girl and the waitress. Hence the many questions about two lady drinks. After that, I just paid my bill and left. I debated about not paying for her two drinks but decided it was not worth the trouble.
At that point, it started to rain heavily so I decided to exit Nana Plaza and head to Hillary. The rain was so hard that I stopped under the umbrella where the security were sitting out front of Nana Plaza to think for a few minutes on where to go. One young security guard out of the 4 that were there, motioned his hand at me in a very impolite manner and waved me to move on. I said in Thai, why are you so impolite? He just laughed at me and waved me out again. At this point I was furious and started yelling at him. To make a long story short, the other three big guys came to his aide and I ended up having to leave with a half assed apology from this little kid. The three big guys started pushing me out and there was nothing else I could do.
So what's the morrow of this story? You will have good and bad nights out mongering and one bad night does not always mean the location is always that way. Just last week, I had a great time. Also it may be beneficial to have the lady commit to a barfine before buying drinks for her. I'm normally very good at spotting this game but this night was a little strange. Anyways, I hope this helps someone else who is planning a night out in Nana. It can happen to anyone of us. Even the experienced.
[QUOTE=MachoDik;2174680]Dear All,
Been away for a while, during my last visit to BKK, much surprise at NEP, there seems to be a reshuffle as to the venue of some est such as Rainbow 4 etc. Also was quoted LT at 6500 to 7000 BHT. I wonder if there is any inflation around that place as normally in the past LT at BHT 4500 and ST at BHT 2500 marked, any update info on the on going rate as well as BF of the club?
Cheers,
MD.[/QUOTE]There is no inflation. The girls will do this because they really don't want to go LT. I have experienced this there before. A few times I called the girl on it by accepting and they still decided not to go with me.
[QUOTE=GoodShag;2174357]Is it just me or is it awfully difficult to find a decent looking girl during daytime around Soi 4?
I did most bars along the street, but only met below average looking girls.
I finally picked up a not too bad looking girl who's sat at the corner of Soi 4 and Nana City hotel (she's there every day), name Kan (I guess), paid 2000 short time for a pretty good fuck.[/QUOTE]I have had the same problem. That's when I normally head to Soi 7/1, Soi 24, soi 24/1, or Soi 26 for a massage.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2174776]There is no inflation. The girls will do this because they really don't want to go LT. I have experienced this there before. A few times I called the girl on it by accepting and they still decided not to go with me.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply, so the rate around should be how much be it LT or ST? Also how much for the Barfine?
[QUOTE=MachoDik;2174782]Thanks for the reply, so the rate around should be how much be it LT or ST? Also how much for the Barfine?[/QUOTE]Short time 2,000-3,000 and LT should be no more than 5,000. Normally 3,500-5,000. Bar fine should be 600-700 Baht but a few coyotes may ask 1,000-1,500. I hope this does not start another price debate so please note these are my experiences.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2174785]Short time 2,000-3,000 and LT should be no more than 5,000. Normally 3,500-5,000. Bar fine should be 600-700 Baht but a few coyotes may ask 1,000-1,500. I hope this does not start another price debate so please note these are my experiences.[/QUOTE]Thanks! That give me some guidelines now as I am about to visit BKK soon. Last time I mostly hang out at Beirgarten but girls quality there is not quite good. Mostly Mid to older lady.
[QUOTE=MachoDik;2174680]Dear All,
Been away for a while, during my last visit to BKK, much surprise at NEP, there seems to be a reshuffle as to the venue of some est such as Rainbow 4 etc. Also was quoted LT at 6500 to 7000 BHT. I wonder if there is any inflation around that place as normally in the past LT at BHT 4500 and ST at BHT 2500 marked, any update info on the on going rate as well as BF of the club?
Cheers,
MD.[/QUOTE]What did you mean "there seems to be a reshuffle as to the venue of some est such as Rainbow 4 etc. " What is "est"?
[QUOTE=BlueBaron;2174835]What did you mean "there seems to be a reshuffle as to the venue of some est such as Rainbow 4 etc. " What is "est"?[/QUOTE]Some bar move from one place to the other and some bar change to other name. Rainbow 4 from 2nd floor move to 3rd I guess, but there's some changes I observed.
True. There might be a misunderstanding between 120 and 170 but not between one-two-zero and one-seven-zero, even more because I used my fingers to show the numbers. But that was probably the reason. The game on the smartphone was more important than a farang asking silly question. Just say yes and let me go back to my game. LOL.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2174361]I don't know why either. But many times the word "70" does not start with a clean and clear "s" when they say "70" in English. Like maybe they are tempted to say "jet sib" and out comes a "j" or hard "ch" sound that comes close enough to a "t" to fool the native English speaker's ear into thinking the word is "20", especially when it is followed by "wen-ty" instead of "venty". But even when I am aware and prepared for the possibility, that word "seventy" still sounds for all the world to be "tehwenty".
However, that would not exactly account for what the Erotica go-go bar doorman was up to when the customer asked for further confirmation by indicating "1-2-zero?" But by then I assume the doorman did what most Thai service people do and just zone out and start thinking how he is going to master that Candy Crush game as soon as he gets to his smartphone.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BlueBaron;2174835]What did you mean "there seems to be a reshuffle as to the venue of some est such as Rainbow 4 etc. " What is "est"?[/QUOTE]That would probably be "establishment". Heard that in the Philippines a bit describing the Angeles gogo bars.
[QUOTE=GoodShag;2174357]Is it just me or is it awfully difficult to find a decent looking girl during daytime around Soi 4?
I did most bars along the street, but only met below average looking girls.
I finally picked up a not too bad looking girl who's sat at the corner of Soi 4 and Nana City hotel (she's there every day), name Kan (I guess), paid 2000 short time for a pretty good fuck.[/QUOTE]I think if you want to find a good option for the day time I think a massage shop is the best choice, I can recommend Emanuelle, usually they have many lovely girls, around 15-20, the rooms are good and big, maybe a little bit old.
[QUOTE=Franga;2175196]That would probably be "establishment". Heard that in the Philippines a bit describing the Angeles gogo bars.[/QUOTE]Oh sorry for confusing. Exactly correct for the abbreviations.
Thanks for helping explaining.
Dear All,
Incidentally, I will be traveling BKK for couple of days for business, and wish to go Pataya for couple of nights. I am not a frequent of Pataya, remember just visit there once via Suvarnabhumi airpor via Van. I wonder should I go back to airport to take the Van as before or I can go straight from BKK?
This time I choose to go Pataya than staying all four nights in BKK as I think Bar sou nana & soi cowboy seems to be much highier expenses than in Pataya, but I can't remember of quality varies or worth for going all the way to Pataya just for about 2 or 3 nights?
Hope to hear your valued advises.
Cheers,
MD.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2174774] I asked a waitress to call over a real cute spinner from the jacuzzi side. Here's where things started to go downhill. The waitress said you must buy two drinks for her. I said I already know and that was fine. Then she asked me again. I said in Thai Mai pen rai, which means no problem. Then she went to the stage and spoke to the girl. After that, again with the question about 2 lady drinks. I said again, I understand. [/QUOTE]Indeed a crappy night. Like you said, it happens. Curious. Was the chick dancing at the time or sitting with another customer when you had the dek serve bring her over? Is this predatory demand for 2 drinks a new biz model that is widespread. Or just something the dek serve or this bar recently up? 2 drinks for an introduction or pre-employment interview is bullshit. I think you dodged a bullet with that gal. The guy who paid the barfine probably got fucked over more than fucked. Better that she did a "runner" before you might have paid a barfine. I can envision her getting a phone call about some bullshit emergency that requires her to run off after 10 minutes in a hotel room. Of course, demanding that the gals "pit" their phone isn't a bad idea. It lets them know this isn't your first rodeo and that you are in control.
Oh. "mai pen lai / rai"= nevermind; mai mee bahn hah= no problem.
[QUOTE=MachoDik;2175272]Dear All,
Incidentally, I will be traveling BKK for couple of days for business, and wish to go Pataya for couple of nights. I am not a frequent of Pataya, remember just visit there once via Suvarnabhumi airpor via Van. I wonder should I go back to airport to take the Van as before or I can go straight from BKK?
This time I choose to go Pataya than staying all four nights in BKK as I think Bar sou nana & soi cowboy seems to be much highier expenses than in Pataya, but I can't remember of quality varies or worth for going all the way to Pataya just for about 2 or 3 nights?
Hope to hear your valued advises.
Cheers,
MD.[/QUOTE]The easy quick way is to take a cab from the airport or your hotel. I use Nam's Taxi service. You hotel can also set up a taxi or you can get one at the airport. And yes it's going to cost you an extra 900 baht or so. So what, the hassle it eliminates makes this very worthwhile.
[QUOTE=Zman429;2175350]The easy quick way is to take a cab from the airport or your hotel. I use Nam's Taxi service. You hotel can also set up a taxi or you can get one at the airport. And yes it's going to cost you an extra 900 baht or so. So what, the hassle it eliminates makes this very worthwhile.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your valued advise, you are right, hassle it eliminates plus faster to do my mongering activities, worth & why not?
I still hoping to received more advises from Thailand veterans over if it worth for me to spend 2-3 nights in Pattaya than BKK, in terms of girls qualities. Economically wise & of coarse attitudes and services rendered from girls between these two areas?
I have been a staying BKK In some occasion but mainly focus on Beirgarten ladies since I feel gogo girls in NEP tense to be more of attitude specially I am not a young nice good looking guys than any western man nor Jap guys that known for paying good price that allure these bar girls than anyone of us. Not to initiate any racial dispute but this seems to be planted in the mind of Bar girls specially those young nice looking one at NEP that tense to opted serving Japanese man than other nationality.
Since Pattaya may be due to more high competition, so much wonder if this will make those bar girls there more of non selective as to their counterparts in BKK I. E. NEP or soi cowboy area?
Cheers,
MD.
[QUOTE=MachoDik;2175515]I still hoping to received more advises from Thailand veterans over if it worth for me to spend 2-3 nights in Pattaya than BKK, in terms of girls qualities. Economically wise & of coarse attitudes and services rendered from girls between these two areas?[/QUOTE]I've done both and for a short trip probably not a huge difference and BKK is easier. That said if you've been to BKK and not Pattaya it might be worth it just to see the differences Pattaya totally blows BKK away in terms of Beer Bars and gogo clubs. If you could figure out how to stay a week or two that would be ideal.
[QUOTE=MachoDik;2175515]Thanks for your valued advise, you are right, hassle it eliminates plus faster to do my mongering activities, worth & why not?
I still hoping to received more advises from Thailand veterans over if it worth for me to spend 2-3 nights in Pattaya than BKK, in terms of girls qualities. Economically wise & of coarse attitudes and services rendered from girls between these two areas? I have been a staying BKK In some occasion but mainly focus on Beirgarten ladies since I feel gogo girls in NEP tense to be more of attitude <SNIP> Since Pattaya may be due to more high competition, so much wonder if this will make those bar girls there more of non selective as to their counterparts in BKK I. E. NEP or soi cowboy area? [/QUOTE]MachoD, Your query really belongs in the Pattaya thread. You should post it there so more Pat punters might read it and make some valuable suggestions. In the meantime I willl respond here:
Given your stated non Go Go criteria? My answer to you is absolutely yes. Don't hesitate. You should go to Pattaya for a 3 night weekend! And when you get there be sure to check out Soi 6. Then afterwards just walk around and check out as many various Beer Bar complexes and small bars as you want. They are scattered all over the place like the small beer bars on Soi 7 between Beach Road and 2nd Road and the ones near LK Metro on Soi Diana and adjacent sois between Soi Buakhaow and 2nd Road, and of course the Simon Beer bar complex on Walking Street. I think you will find exactly what you are looking for times several 1000 in many of the 100's and 100's of small places all stocked with friendly, available girls just waiting to make your acquaintance if you so desire. LOL. I think you will have a great time!
[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2175334]
Oh. "mai pen lai / rai"= nevermind; mai mee bahn hah= no problem.[/QUOTE]As a literal translation, you are correct. However, what WE usually mean when we say "no problem" to each other in English is more often than not very close to what we hope Thais will take for what we mean to convey with their term for "nevermind".
[URL]http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/never%20mind[/URL]
[QUOTE]Synonyms for never mind:
interj: forget it
don't bother
don't concern yourself
drop it
ignore it
it doesn't matter
it's all right
stop
let it go
nothing[/QUOTE]Whereas what we might convey literally when we say "no problem" rarely really fits the situation as well as saying "nevermind" in Thai, "mai pen lai/rai", does.
[URL]http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/no%20problem?s=t[/URL]
[QUOTE]Synonyms for no problem:
adj: effortless
a breeze
child's play
duck soup
easy
easy as ABC
easy as pie
no problem
no sweat
painless
piece of cake
uncomplicated
simple
snap[/QUOTE]
The trick is to get what we hope the term "no problem" means in our heads colloquially into the mind of a Thai speaker even as we have over time bent the meaning of "no problem" to sort of mean a softer, less rude version of "nevermind" in actual use. Consequently, IMO, "mai pen lai/rai" is the much better fit for what we very likely mean when we say "no problem" in English.
I think if we promoted the idea that all this "mai pen rai" stuff going on all over Thailand actually meant what we usually think of when someone says "nevermind" to us, it would seem a lot more rude than it actually sounds to Thai people. And that is where I believe saying it means "no problem" (as that term sounds to our ears these days) rather than "nevermind" (as THAT term tends to sound to our ears these days) is a closer fit for explaining it in more common usage.
I'm back in Thailand for the first time in about 5 years, and I'm struck by the differences between the present and the country I remember over multiple visits covering maybe 25 years. I decided on the spur of the moment—literally on the way to town from the airport—to stay at Nana Hotel, mostly because I'the never done so. It's a sort of wonderfully seedy place and for a couple of nights, it's interesting and I'm not sorry I selected it.
I arrived at Nana Plaza about midnight last night, and was disappointed not only with the quality, which was way below what I had remembered, but by the general aggressiveness of the bar managers. Granted, many if not most of the stunners may have been spoken for earlier, but for the most part, those I saw were a waste of time for me. I finally wound up in a bar on the opposite side of the second floor from Twisters. It was a smaller, friendlier place but again, the endless hustling for drinks was somewhat unpleasant, and I got sick of fending off the attempts. Then too, the girls were so businesslike that the whole experience was less than enticing. I doubt that I'll return, as in my judgment, compared to the Philippines experience, the place just leaves a lot to be desired. I'll likely try Cowboy tonight, but have no elevated expectations, and anticipate that it will prove to be more of same.
I worked in Bangkok years ago, and have been back to the country many times during the intervening years, but I think the place has about run its course for me.
GE.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2175559] <SNIP>
I worked in Bangkok years ago, and have been back to the country many times during the intervening years, but I think the place has about run its course for me. [/QUOTE]Your comments seem to be purely from a monger's prespective GE as evidenced by your reference to Nana and Cowboy only.
Like you, I have been working and visiting Bkk (and Thailand in general) since 1984 and I am always excited to return there from my home in Manila.
Unlike you, I find Bkk exhilarating these days even when one takes away the mongering aspect. There are so many things to do and see, great food experiences, and the efficient train system (underground and above) makes it effortless to get around. Bkk is my first thought whenever I contemplate 3 or 4 days away from the Phils.
JMHO of course.
World wide as of today on Craigslist, It happened a month ago in USA.
Anyone have suggestions for similar web pages here in Thailand?
[QUOTE=RedKilt;2175594]Your comments seem to be purely from a monger's prespective GE as evidenced by your reference to Nana and Cowboy only.
Like you, I have been working and visiting Bkk (and Thailand in general) since 1984 and I am always excited to return there from my home in Manila.
Unlike you, I find Bkk exhilarating these days even when one takes away the mongering aspect. There are so many things to do and see, great food experiences, and the efficient train system (underground and above) makes it effortless to get around. Bkk is my first thought whenever I contemplate 3 or 4 days away from the Phils.
JMHO of course.[/QUOTE]Good points and I agree. And for those who might feel "who cares?" how interesting and exciting the city is if the usual mongering destinations are not what they used to be, all I can say is it provides so many more pleasant and fun experiences I can share with my dating site girls, regular shop girls and freelancers who, by far, have been providing me with better sex with younger, prettier girls than I ever experienced in Bangkok before, even 20-25 years ago when I was cruising the bars and clubs for the best that scene could offer.
I still do the Nana Plaza and Soi Coyboy scene at least once a week and really enjoy it. But if all of those places disappeared overnight, I doubt I would experience a moment's glitch in the steady stream of hot, young pussy and blowjobs I have been enjoying in THIS Bangkok era. I would probably shed a tear if all of the BJ Bars disappeared. But that is mostly because I just like knowing they are around, since I rarely go to them anymore because I find the BJs I can get from regular, non P4P Thai girls to be superior in almost every way.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2175559]
I arrived at Nana Plaza about midnight last night, and was disappointed not only with the quality, which was way below what I had remembered, but by the general aggressiveness of the bar managers. Granted, many if not most of the stunners may have been spoken for earlier, but for the most part, those I saw were a waste of time for me. I finally wound up in a bar on the opposite side of the second floor from Twisters. It was a smaller, friendlier place but again, the endless hustling for drinks was somewhat unpleasant, and I got sick of fending off the attempts. Then too, the girls were so businesslike that the whole experience was less than enticing. I doubt that I'll return, as in my judgment, compared to the Philippines experience, the place just leaves a lot to be desired. I'll likely try Cowboy tonight, but have no elevated expectations, and anticipate that it will prove to be more of same.
GE.[/QUOTE]I'm always interested to read about the hustling of drinks in many reports and why this is happening. This is perhaps my 6th visit in about two years BKK and I can't remember that I have been annoyed by it. Perhaps once in BKK Bunnies which was during my first time. I have been there yesterday as well, both Soi Cowboy and Nana. (Not that I want to discourage you but Soi Cowboy was worse than Nana according to me during the time of my presence which was between 9. 30 and max 11.00 pm).
Usually I step into a bar and have a look for about 20 seconds. If the vibe is alright I will sit down and order my drink. One drink gives me about 20 minutes or more to decide whether I will have another one or not. It gives me the time to have seen two shifts of girls dancing on stage. I believe that 20 or 30 minutes max for a drink is reasonable.
At the end of the day they're running a business and sometimes it's funny to see people sitting with their drink for a very long time and I can understand that the waitresses or mamasans hassle those customers especially when they're having a full house. I don't want to give the impression to GoodEnough that you're one of those people. I usually completely ignore the waitresses or mamasans and keep my eyes on the stage. Same goes when I walk into a bar and stand there for a while. I don[t bother waitresses trying to pull me somewhere and have a seat. I never had a problem with it. Whenever a waitress as me for a drink I politely say no if there's still left in my bottle and they move on. Same goes for those WG's who come and sit next to you and try to start having a conversation. I'll always reply when they ask me something but I'll make it clear that there's no chance that I'm interested in them buying a LD. I wish them good luck with the hunt while I keep my eyes on the stage. They might stay there and sit for a while which doesn't bother me. Perhaps my body language makes it clear for them that I don't have the "potential" to make more money out of me.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2175536]The trick is to get what we hope the term "no problem" means in our heads colloquially into the mind of a Thai speaker even as we have over time bent the meaning of "no problem" to sort of mean a softer, less rude version of "nevermind" in actual use. Consequently, IMO, "mai pen lai/rai" is the much better fit for what we very likely mean when we say "no problem" in English.[/QUOTE]I understand what you are saying and you are not incorrect. I've been "guilty" of using both terms somewhat interchangeably over the years and never encountered misunderstandings. I think "mai pen rai" is more BKKish while "mai pen lai" is more Issan. Those lazy northeasterners. LOL Maybe that is why my Issan "acquaintances use "mai pen lai" over "mai mee bahn hah" when "no problem" is what they mean. Just Issan language "economics". A Cheap Charlie way of expressing themselves. LOL.
Arrived in BKK yesterday and wanted to have a good start so went to Snow white and chose Candy. You can find a very short report about Candy in the right thread. I was a bit concerned about the latest reviews regarding Soi Cowboy and started very early going over there from Mermaid Hotel. Perhaps a bit too early as the place was perhaps waiting to get loaded. I thought to go and have a quick bite due to the lack of people (went for some slices of pizza in Pala Pizza Romana. If you want to eat fast and good I don't think you can go wrong with this place. Third time I'm eating there and never got disapointed) . It might have been a mistake though not to go into any bar. I passed both Crazy House and Shark without popping my head in at around 8. 30 pm. I guess that we all live and learn.
After the pizza I went directly to Shark Bar. Even though the first shift of ladies weren't that good looking I thought I would give it a try because Shark Bar didn't disappoint me in the past having at least 1 or 2 lookers that I would be interested in but not this time. If they would have put a gun against my head and choose one I would have go for 22. She's there for a while, brown hair in a ponytail, rather short and good body but fake tits and face doesn't appeal to me. Ass is alright. She was taken by another punter eventually just before I left Shark after 1 drink and started to wander on Soi Cowboy. After going up and down SC I walked into Dollhouse where the girls seemingly had some good fun on stage. The quality of girls was definitely better than in Sharks with for me number 34 standing out of the pack. Petite and well proportioned, perhaps small tits but all difficult to see with that kind of shirt on. Nicely dressed though with a hotpants light colored jeans but who cares but me I guess. Din't proceeded to get her over for a chat and LD. Somehow she gave the impression that it's one of those who thinks that her farts smell like roses. I also noticed that she was taken by another guy for a LD and perhaps she only stayed there for not more than 5 minutes. Not sure what to think about that. I might give her a try another time if she's still around. Also here I only spend 1 drink and left.
As I didn't wanted to spend more time I went to Nana and went straight into Butterflies as I have read some good reports. I have to say that it was already about 11.15 pm so yeah, not the best time to expect much. There was one that caught my eye from the girls that were still available. Forgot the exact name, perhaps Phon or Fon. Her number was 238 even though I was thinking for a while that she was number 3. The two other numbers were faded away a bit. A petite girl who had quite some fun on stage. Nice ass and legs but no tits. Face was ok. Reminded me a slight bit of #4 in Crazy House named Jane but only a slight bit. I choose her to have a drink with me but then realized that she barely spoke English which was a big shame. I'm quite picky or perhaps I was getting hopeless so as it was late I wanted to take my chances with her, however. Due to the fact that the English vocabulary was as good as non existing I just let it go. Not that much else to be said from the conversation. From Isaan (duh!) and only working in Butterflies for about 2 months she said. So far the conversation.
Headed to Billboard and even though the tenderloin was already taken BB never disappointed me until today. Always a good vibe and energy, good music for my taste and girls are having fun. I always seem to be lucky with the spot I usually want to sit even though it's packed. Spot gives me the chance to watch both Jacuzzi and carousel without having to turn around even though I like the Jacuzzi girls the most. But as I have mentioned, the lookers weren't there anymore (at least I hope that they still have some lookers!) and left after a drink. I have popped my head into some other venues such as Rainbow 4, Twisters and some other places not worth mentioning but due to the lack of decent looking girls or not great ambience I decided to call it a night.
On my way home passed by Crazy House just to have a look inside but as it was already 1. 30 am you can imagine that there wasn't that much to look at anymore. Better luck perhaps today.
[QUOTE=RedKilt;2175594]Your comments seem to be purely from a monger's prespective GE as evidenced by your reference to Nana and Cowboy only.
Like you, I have been working and visiting Bkk (and Thailand in general) since 1984 and I am always excited to return there from my home in Manila.
Unlike you, I find Bkk exhilarating these days even when one takes away the mongering aspect. There are so many things to do and see, great food experiences, and the efficient train system (underground and above) makes it effortless to get around. Bkk is my first thought whenever I contemplate 3 or 4 days away from the Phils.
JMHO of course.[/QUOTE]My comments were from a strictly mongering perspective. I don't disagree about the vitality of the city or its great restaurants and cultural interests. But I've been here many, many times and I've taken a lot of advantage of those qualities through the years. I think it's time to try someplace new. But again, this is just a personal predeliction.
GE.
[QUOTE=Hiete;2175645] I thought to go and have a quick bite due to the lack of people (went for some slices of pizza in Pala Pizza Romana. If you want to eat fast and good I don't think you can go wrong with this place. Third time I'm eating there and never got disapointed).[/QUOTE]Agree, La Pala have great pizza slices, expensive yes, but the ingredients are very good and original.
[QUOTE=TConor;2175595]World wide as of today on Craigslist, It happened a month ago in USA. Anyone have suggestions for similar web pages here in Thailand?[/QUOTE]I'll miss CL personals. Only one of the many resources available in this city of course, and familiar to many globally. But useful to me on occasion in BKK. Usually pre-arrival to set up a meeting. I've used it in several cities including BKK, with mixed results it has to be said, but the overall experience was positive if more than a little frustrating in some cities.
CL contacts in BKK in general were overpriced in comparison to other available options, and there were some scammers too. But one of better cities for CL reliability, in my opinion.
The only other similar site I have seen (many pages back here, I forget the name) was in Thai so focused on locals and Thai speakers (and online translation apps). TF and other dating sites can be frustrating in BKK, hard work, but in Pattaya much easier. WeChat seems full of ladyboys, but some freelancers too (must report on a good recent find in Pattaya thread). Haven't used any others yet.
[QUOTE=TConor;2175595]World wide as of today on Craigslist, It happened a month ago in USA.
Anyone have suggestions for similar web pages here in Thailand?[/QUOTE]If you look under the services section in any city, you will see the girls have started to use the beauty section and random others sections as well. Please look there in the Thailand CL to see the girls again.
[QUOTE=ALion2;2161981]After spending a few
10. General impression.
Phuket feels more clean and nice than Pattaya. Phuket also gives a more funny vibe than Pattaya. And the invironment with all the beautiful beaches and the green forest mountains surrounding Patong is a much more relaxing and beautiful place for a holiday than Pattaya. Pattaya-Phuket: 5-8.[/QUOTE]Have happened to come across this piece of discussion comparison between Phuket & Pattaya, but here comes my wish to have veteran brothers in Pattaya & Bangkok to tell me how is yours comments or comparison between Bangkok & Pattaya. Considering taking out anything about beaches, just only purely mongering & Same Thai pussy!
Herewith I listed some criteria for distinction:
1) quality of the girls.
2) quantity of the girls.
3) Bar fine cost for ST & LT.
4) girl cost for ST & LT.
5) quality & safeties of Hotel rooms.
6) chances of meeting non pro freelancers not only out for money may be just for companion.
Due to the distance getting to Pattaya and back to Bangkok when departing Thailand, There should be some areas of distinction between Bangkok and Pattaya or else why traveling to Pattaya if you only after same Thai pussy be it hot or average Thai girls.
Hope to hear more from you guys.
Cheers,
MD.
[QUOTE=EdSetra;2175690]I'll miss CL personals. .[/QUOTE]The ads are in several other sections now like event, missed connections etc. But I suspect they will all removed soon so best to save some of those contacts if you want them.
[QUOTE=Hiete;2175645]On my way home passed by Crazy House just to have a look inside but as it was already 1. 30 am you can imagine that there wasn't that much to look at anymore. Better luck perhaps today.[/QUOTE]Line ups vary from day to day. If payday for girls, could be excellent in several bars. 1. 30 am is "dregs" time in CH and elsewhere IMHO. Yes 8. 30 PM is a much better time to enter any of the bars you mentioned. Yes I agree Jane No. 4 is a very good girl even if very small tits.
I agree that the Dollhouse Coyotes are better than in Shark. Still I have 2 favourites in Shark, so I ignore the rest of Shark girls.
Billboard should often have a few stunners (if at the right time of evening being early on). Best quality of looks in Nana IMHO, performance varies.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2176188]I agree that the Dollhouse Coyotes are better than in Shark. Still I have 2 favourites in Shark, so I ignore the rest of Shark girls.[/QUOTE]April 11 I took the best looking girl in Dollhouse home for a session. Her legs were exceptional. Forgot name and number. So far I understood that Coyotes do not provide sex but are there to lure the customers inside. So could someone clarify this situation? Are coyotes available for sex or are dancers just as beautiful?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2176188]Billboard should often have a few stunners (if at the right time of evening being early on). Best quality of looks in Nana IMHO, performance varies.[/QUOTE]Topless girls at the jacuzi are very beautiful at BB. Their playing around (among each other and with customers) far exceeds that play at Butterflies. They were mostly childish when I was there. I liked one girl especially (Abi?) as her butt was better than I had seen anywhere else in Bkk.
Last year I did the rounds at Nana, Cowboy (low expectations but turned out great), BJ bars and a couple of massage places. I'm not really into bars anymore but I thought since I was in Thailand, why not. I went to Patpong to see the night market and drop in one of the bars on my first night but was put off by all the touts. There were some nice looking bars but I couldn't tell if the guys approaching me were part of those bars or trying to lure me elsewhere so I ended up passing on a bunch of them, thinking I would return some other time when I wasn't carrying my gear and a few plastic bags from stuff I'd bought looking like a complete and utter noob. I never found the time to return.
Now I'm thinking of going back just because I've done all the others but I don't want to just go and BF a girl at Patpong for the sake of it. I've RTFF'd the subject, there are no new reports other than the occasional nostalgic mention of how it was 25 years ago. Is it really not a great place for punting, what's so bad about it that most people prefer Nana and Cowboy?
A side question, are locals not allowed at bars / massage / BJ joints? After a few days in the sun, a haircut and beard shave, I started getting carded at the front doors of bars and massage places. They just wanted to make sure I wasn't a local, which normally is a plus for me wherever I go around Asia.
[QUOTE=DioRetz;2176207]April 11 I took the best looking girl in Dollhouse home for a session. Her legs were exceptional. Forgot name and number. So far I understood that Coyotes do not provide sex but are there to lure the customers inside. So could someone clarify this situation? Are coyotes available for sex or are dancers just as beautiful?
Topless girls at the jacuzi are very beautiful at BB. Their playing around (among each other and with customers) far exceeds that play at Butterflies. They were mostly childish when I was there. I liked one girl especially (Abi?) as her butt was better than I had seen anywhere else in Bkk.[/QUOTE]BB Bubble Bath girls beautiful? I think you were looking at the tits. LOL Faces are not so very special. Young = Beautiful? I do think the Billboard girls are a class above the Butterflies girls for looks at least. I am big fan of beautiful Butts as well (once I like the face). Tits don't have to massive for me, and I usually rule out silicone tits and very saggy tits or deflated sag bags.
Coyotes are now abundant in most Cowboy bars, excepting Bacarra, Crazy House, maybe one or two others. The idea was to get prettier younger girls, and some of the girls may not provide sex even if they can be barfined. A large portion of Dollhouse girls are now Coyotes. Identifiable because they wear a double bra / top hiding tits completely.
They have quite high barfines in some bars, and more normal in others. The barfines sometimes vary depending on how late it is. As Eih Toom likes to point out, many Coyotes wear tights / stockings, but some non Coyotes do also. Covers up leg marks and scars. Topless girls or see through top girls are not Coyotes. One girl wearing G string (no tights) in Dollhouse was still described as Coyote (tits were well hidden) so what is worn below the waist seems to be a not a reliable indicator. We can say tights is a strong indicator of a likely Coyote, confirmed if the tits are well wrapped up. Tights does not mean the girl is not available for sex, but could be an indicator.
Many Cowboy Coyotes are "fake Coyotes" in that they do not know how to dance Coyote style or are to lazy to do so. Many are not wearing the traditional very short cut off shorts that are only an inch or two of material on the side and usually exposing a bit of ass.
In the Arab's rip off bars, most Coyotes will not be available for sex (officially). Same in Crazy Cats. Students.
Many Coyote girls have a boyfriend who does not allow them to work as hookers.
Plenty of bars have Coyotes available for sex. E. g. Billboard. I expect that most Coyotes in Doll House are available.
Firstly ask the mamasan what is the general situation for the bar, then ask the particular girl herself, if she goes for sex. I have fucked some Coyotes and have been knocked back by some. One Coyote in Twisters refused me because she said she was used to smaller Asian dick, and only just split from her DJ Thai boyfriend. The real reason matters very little. Either she is willing or she is not. Could be simply her period.
Don't ask girls outside the bar, as might get a bullshit story. Better to ask the girls inside the bar I think.
I would certainly take Coyotes from Doll House or Bill Board. Prices were fine. I like to get a look at the tits first and see if the girl will kiss. That can be a problem. Girls can be very inexperienced and not very relaxed about fucking. I had one such stunning Coyote from Billboard. She started to relax and improve at the end of the session. Better to take a girl with plenty of experience.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2176565]BB Bubble Bath girls beautiful? I think you were looking at the tits. LOL Faces are not so very special. Young = Beautiful? I do think the Billboard girls are a class above the Butterflies girls for looks at least.[/QUOTE]"Very beautiful" like I put it is too much. But I liked BB quite much. Jacuzi girls were better than the carroussel girls. I like beautiful faces. Tits not especially. A but should have a nice flowing curve. That does it for me.
Thanks for all your tips. They will surely help a next time.
[QUOTE=Goons;2176453]
Now I'm thinking of going back just because I've done all the others but I don't want to just go and BF a girl at Patpong for the sake of it. I've RTFF'd the subject, there are no new reports other than the occasional nostalgic mention of how it was 25 years ago. Is it really not a great place for punting, what's so bad about it that most people prefer Nana and Cowboy?[/QUOTE]Did you really RTFF? An advanced search for 'patpong' in the Thailand forum will lead you to several new reports. Some gogo's there are certainly worth going to.
Hi everyone,
Because of new US law Craigslist decided to pull the "romantic" section. Not only for their USA site but globally. Now some of you might think why would I even bother using CL since BKK has so much options to gett laid. Well like most I do visit the spa's and soapies but I've had great success with CL when it comes to threesomes. Girls that know eachother well (one time even sisters) and come to your hotel for a great three-way. You can have this too at a spa of course but most of these girls are used to one on one service not threesomes. So my question is are there any of you that have used CL before like me and do you know where everyone went? Locanto has picked up some of the adds but it's nowhere as good as CL was.
Cheers.
ALC.
Hi everyone,
It is the first time I post on the Thailand Bangkok thread, and I first would like to start by thanking everybody for all the valuable information I found here in the last few months.
I am currently in Bangkok, arrived 2 days ago, and I still spend 3 days here.
Last January, I visited several gogo bars at Nana, went to Thermae bar and massage parlours (Poseidon, Emmanuelle and Cherry). Every time, following recommendations I found here, and everything proved to be very accurate.
In one of the massage place, I found a girl that I really liked a lot more than the others and I really wish I could see her again. Unfortunately, I visited both Poseidon and Emmanuelle yesterday and today and did not see her.
Since some of you have a lot of knowledge about Bangkok girls, maybe her description can ring a bell to someone and you may help me. I know it is like finding a needle in a haystack but she has a distinctive mark that may help.
She is a Thai girl, in her early 30's, with a tan but not too dark, quite petite (around 5 feet), long black hair, no fat, very small boobs, very tight pussy and what is unusual, an important scar on one leg (but no c-section).
The session with her was just fantastic (better than GFE). I so wish someone could help me find her again.
Thanks a lot. And sorry for the ones my message is disturbing since it actually is not a report.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2176995]Did you really RTFF? An advanced search for 'patpong' in the Thailand forum will lead you to several new reports. Some gogo's there are certainly worth going to.[/QUOTE]I thought that was implied by the RTFF abbreviation. Just to be safe I did another just now, and nothing new came up.
Just some random stuff about avoiding 2nd floor scams and magic shows. I've got some names from my previous reading, King's Castle l, II, III, star of light and kangaroo club, that I will check out, nothing recent in the reports, maybe I'll add my own soon enough.
I remember when I was there it seemed less crowded than Nana or Cowboy, there was actually lots of walking space on the sidewalk but that was around 8 in the evening. I don't know if it's like that all the time or if it's because the quality of girls is less but I'm going to give it a second try.
[QUOTE=Clefairy;2177263]Hi everyone,
It is the first time I post on the Thailand Bangkok thread, and I first would like to start by thanking everybody for all the valuable information I found here in the last few months.
I am currently in Bangkok, arrived 2 days ago, and I still spend 3 days here.
Last January, I visited several gogo bars at Nana, went to Thermae bar and massage parlours (Poseidon, Emmanuelle and Cherry). Every time, following recommendations I found here, and everything proved to be very accurate.
In one of the massage place, I found a girl that I really liked a lot more than the others and I really wish I could see her again. Unfortunately, I visited both Poseidon and Emmanuelle yesterday and today and did not see her.
Since some of you have a lot of knowledge about Bangkok girls, maybe her description can ring a bell to someone and you may help me. I know it is like finding a needle in a haystack but she has a distinctive mark that may help.
She is a Thai girl, in her early 30's, with a tan but not too dark, quite petite (around 5 feet), long black hair, no fat, very small boobs, very tight pussy and what is unusual, an important scar on one leg (but no c-section).
The session with her was just fantastic (better than GFE). I so wish someone could help me find her again.
Thanks a lot. And sorry for the ones my message is disturbing since it actually is not a report.[/QUOTE]It's possible someone might know, but a lot of these girls move around from place to place, work for short periods here and there, or just plain disappear (generally meaning back to 6-9 hours away in some part of Isaan region). It really is like a needle in a hawstack.
Good luck though.
Hoping to get some info as I am heading to BKK this week.
Does anyone know the best time to go to Thermae Bar?
How is the quality of the girls this week? Are there usually big fluctuations in terms of the girls quantity and quality from day to day?
Are the girls able converse in English?
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=MachoDik;2176048]Have happened to come across this piece of discussion comparison between Phuket & Pattaya, but here comes my wish to have veteran brothers in Pattaya & Bangkok to tell me how is yours comments or comparison between Bangkok & Pattaya. Considering taking out anything about beaches, just only purely mongering & Same Thai pussy!
Herewith I listed some criteria for distinction:
1) quality of the girls.
2) quantity of the girls.
3) Bar fine cost for ST & LT.
4) girl cost for ST & LT.
5) quality & safeties of Hotel rooms.
6) chances of meeting non pro freelancers not only out for money may be just for companion.
Due to the distance getting to Pattaya and back to Bangkok when departing Thailand, There should be some areas of distinction between Bangkok and Pattaya or else why traveling to Pattaya if you only after same Thai pussy be it hot or average Thai girls.
Hope to hear more from you guys.
Cheers,
MD.[/QUOTE]There are really no big differences between Bangkok and Pattaya in all your categories, except perhaps quantity of girls where Pattaya will be tops.
[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2177458]Hoping to get some info as I am heading to BKK this week.
Does anyone know the best time to go to Thermae Bar?
How is the quality of the girls this week? Are there usually big fluctuations in terms of the girls quantity and quality from day to day?
Are the girls able converse in English?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]The best time is usually between 8 PM-9 PM when the bar opens and you will have a big selection.
I am not in Thailand at the moment but when I visited, the quality on an average was about 6.5/10.
Most girls can converse in English but the fluency varies.
Thermae is a hit or miss in my opinion and since some of them are girl next door kind, where you may have awesome experience. It is worth a shot even though I didn't indulge in that bar.
[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2177458]Hoping to get some info as I am heading to BKK this week.
Does anyone know the best time to go to Thermae Bar?
How is the quality of the girls this week? Are there usually big fluctuations in terms of the girls quantity and quality from day to day?
Are the girls able converse in English?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]9 pm to 12 am probably best time that said plenty girls in BKK and freelancers from soi 4 to Terminal 21, soi 11 etc, Beer Garden if still open.
[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2177458]Hoping to get some info as I am heading to BKK this week.
Does anyone know the best time to go to Thermae Bar?
How is the quality of the girls this week? Are there usually big fluctuations in terms of the girls quantity and quality from day to day?
Are the girls able converse in English?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I went to Thermae Bar for the first time tonight on a weeknight around 10:30 pm.
Very awesome experience! It was really packed, not sure why, but I'the say you have no issue finding a girl around 11 pm. I don't think all girls speak English, but the one I met did.
I've heard bloggers say to come earlier, but I think that's BS cause it seemed more girls kept coming in during the 30 min I was there.
[QUOTE=Adaptivia;2177719]I went to Thermae Bar for the first time tonight on a weeknight around 10:30 pm.
Very awesome experience! It was really packed, not sure why, but I'the say you have no issue finding a girl around 11 pm. I don't think all girls speak English, but the one I met did.
I've heard bloggers say to come earlier, but I think that's BS cause it seemed more girls kept coming in during the 30 min I was there.[/QUOTE]It is quite possible some of the girls you saw coming in after 10:30 pm were returning from an earlier takeout from around 9 pm or so. And some girls who are taken by 9 pm don't return to Thermae and you wouldn't have seen them at all.
[QUOTE=Adaptivia;2177719]I went to Thermae Bar for the first time tonight...I've heard bloggers say to come earlier, but I think that's BS...[/QUOTE]That's quite a conclusion for a first timer. Maybe you should have reserved that opinion until you had a chance to visit Thermae multiple times, or read ET's post below.
Landed at BKK that afternoon and took the train from airport to my hotel at BTS ChitLom. The Bangkok infrastructure is definitely much better compared than Jakarta. Checked into the Renaissance, caught up with few hours of sleep before heading out to Nana Plaza. By the way, the humidity in Bangkok is really nasty and worse than Jakarta, which makes walking an uncomfortable experience. Otherwise, everything else is so accessible. Definitely a win there.
Now here comes the downside. First, ladyboys, ladyboys, ladyboys. They are everywhere. I have to admit that some of them are really attractive, and I could have picked them in a heartbeat if not for the facts. This mixture makes me wary about picking one off the streets.
After a beer at Nana, I walked to Thermae. I have been told that ladyboys are not allowed in there, so you should be getting the real deal. I had read about the ambiance and watched YouTube videos, but to be there physically still feels different. As mentioned time and time again from past forum postings, this is definitely an area catered to the East Asian clientele. Which also means the girls are required to be passive and just stand along the table sides like goods to be inspected. I guess the Japanese and the Koreans and the Chinese don't like to be hassled and prefer to survey first before making the next move of negotiations.
There were plenty of attractive girls that night. Many of them would smile at me or at least made feeble attempts. As I walked down the aisle, I chatted with a few of them. Some of them were only interested in ST, while those that do LT cannot stay for too long in the morning. One mentioned that she had to leave at 6 AM for her 7 o'clock college class. Another one mentioned that she had a baby sitting job and also have to leave by 6. Unfortunately, none of them really clicked for me. This is starting to get depressing.
Later, I walked to Insanity Club, paid my cover charge and went up the club level. This time the vibes there was so much better, with the area very packed even at after 1 AM. I walked around to see if I could go one that night. For whatever reason, I was attracted to an Asian looking lady gyrating with her friend to the music. She would dance with me for a good 15 minutes, and finally mentioned her prices into my ears. Turned out that she is Uzbek / Korean mix, and I can feel that chemistry with her. Now with that negotiation out of the way, we were able to enjoy our time drinking and gyrating to the music, and ending the night with a supper and great session back in my hotel room.
Adaptivia, to most people here, it's not about how many. It's about quality.
Yes, even at 10:30 at night you'll see some attractive women at Thermae. Sometimes you'll be surprised at the attractiveness of some of them.
But it still doesn't compare to what is there early.
The hottest girls are there early. And they get picked early.
Go late 3 or 4 nights in a row. And then go early 3 or 4 nights in a row. You'll see.
When I first came to Bangkok, just the plentiful supply of girls to FKK made my eyes not quite as effective.
After a while you get pickier.
Not that most of those early girls will even talk to us older, white guys!
[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2178338]By the way, the humidity in Bangkok is really nasty and worse than Jakarta, which makes walking an uncomfortable experience. [/QUOTE]Don't worry mate, it's not that nasty every day LOL.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2178424]Don't worry mate, it's not that nasty every day LOL.[/QUOTE]What humidity? LOL Bangkok generally is no where near as hot as it felt 25 years ago (perhaps I got used to it somewhat). Rarely seems to hit 40 see. The city's haze of pollution reduces the power of the shining sun when it hits you. Hot days in my home country can be higher actual teperature and harder to tolerate. Can always go inside to Air Con.
Only "mad dogs and Englishmen" walk in the midday sun. Seriously it is silly to be walking around Bangkok in the middle part of the day.
I remember a crazy old buddy who complained he had walked several km around Bangkok and was too stuffed to get up to any mischief. Silly! Walk only short distances when it is too hot, and only if able to be in mostly shade.
Early morning or after 6 PM is okay For shorter walks. Running laps of Lumphini should be an early morning activity I think.
Out in the country, can be somewhat hotter during the day with clear skys (but fortunately cooler at night).
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2178447]
Running laps of Lumphini should be an early morning activity I think.[/QUOTE]Or should not be an activity at all. Running in Bangkok, breathing heavily and inhaling all that pollution deep into your lungs can't be healthy.
Great report on Thai Friendly from my user blog. Premium is well worth the money guys. Don't be cheap. If you are looking for P4 P, a holiday girlfriend, or something more serious, this is the way to go. $20 per month through the app or $24 through their website
[QUOTE=Neigung;2176156]I would like to thank both Bkkdog and Null Avenger. I had been having no luck with TF but after going premium I had an amazing petite girl at my hotel within 2 hours. At this rate I might not be able to even make it back to a gogo / beer bar.
Q: Hi how are you doing?
Q: You have line?
A: Hi yes you want sex or not today.
Q: Yes I want you today, what is line ID?
Switch to line, and found out when she was available. Now. She asks for 2000 be for ST with multiple pops. I wasn't going to try and barter that deal down any further. Gave hotel directions and in about 30 minutes from this point she arrived at my hotel. I would say it then turned into extreme? GFE. EGFE? DFK and lots of foreplay. She was on top of my and tried to take me BBFS. She was hot and had me going if I wasn't sober I might not of stopped her.
TF can be amazing. I have a few other dates already setup.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2178641]Great report on Thai Friendly from my user blog. Premium is well worth the money guys. Don't be cheap. If you are looking for P4 P, a holiday girlfriend, or something more serious, this is the way to go. $20 per month through the app or $24 through their website[/QUOTE]LOL. I am laying next to a young lady I met and booked on TF right now; clean, tattoo and piercing-free, studious hot university type, a bit bigger all around (not fat. Athletic) than I prefer but a nice change of pace, amazing BBFS to BBBJ+CIM+Swallow finish. My second time with her so I know she will be fine with 2,200 baht including all transportation to and from my apartment building front door. And that is for LT from 11pm last night until about 10am this morning.
Neigung pretty much covered the extent of "haggling" required to bring her here. He didn't mention it but it is likely she was privy to his photos when the chat was taken to Line. Maybe even a brief video chat just to see and say Hello before the appointment was finalized. Cannot overstate the value of that kind of two-way personal contact (as much as can happen online, that is) before booking to put everyone more at ease and smooth the way for a better result.
On a side note, for all the occasional suggestions that my interest in achieving a true GFE as in BBFS or BBBJ+CIM+(preferably) Swallow finish as being extreme, out of the main stream, not something many or most other punters care much about, should not justify tweaking any, say, escort-related business model to accommodate a discrete arrangement of same and so on, Neigung's report and my experience right here reminds me that I don't recall ever reading a Field Report on this or any similar site listing either outcome with their lady on the "negative" side of her rating score card rather than squarely on the "positive" side. Just mentioning that observation in passing.
I'm in BKK, have some light reporting to do of my day and a half when I can but for now I have a quick question on wechat safety and precautions.
I never use these apps but I've been browsing and got to chatting with a few girls offering services. One or two I considered kept asking my hotel name and room no even before I could confirm, about 5 or six times. Is this normal for wechat type transactions. I've already given my street name and the general vicinity but I don't want to reveal more until I can confirm the booking. One girl in particular keeps lowering her price, now down to 700 from 1 k asking my hotel and room number. Could be some kind of scam or thing where they show up and kick up a fuss in the hotel room or lobby to get you to pay them to go away or some shit like that.
I don't mean to offend anyone with this rant, but I do need to get this off my chest since it has been a constant miss for me with Thai girls thus far from Pattaya last year to Bangkok this year. Their MO have always been "Let's just get this over with type of attitude".
So I went back to Thermae again the next evening just over 8 PM to see if I can hit off with maybe the right girl. I think the girls knew I was there last night because I received a lot more gestures from girls to talk to them. Those that I rejected last night ignored me. One girl after learning that my hotel is two BTS stop away offered me 3000 for ST and would not budge on price. From what I know the standard is 2500 ST and 5000 LT. I just stepped away and to cut things short, I selected a different girl for ST.
Several things add up to my shitty experience with these Thai girls. Strike 1, they started counting their time as soon as you exit the bar. WTF. I lost almost 30 minutes by this count. Strike 2, need dim lights, no kissing, have to be CBJ, no can do for this, no can do for that, the don't list feels like a damn rule book. I almost kicked her out (and of course still pay her the amount owed) with all these rules. Strike 3 - She rushed me hoping that I can come as soon as possible. If you read my past Pattaya post, similar shit happened to a girl that I had bar fined for LT, and I did in fact kicked her out of the room less than 15 minutes into our session. Anyway, I did not pop with the Thai girl from Thermea. What a waste of my time, money and energy.
I went back to the sure thing with the Uzbek girl that I had from the previous night, and met up with her and her friend at Insanity. Later on, we hit another club by the Pullman hotel near Terminal 21 called Club XS. It is in a smaller setting compared to Insanity but I like the ambiance more there.
Anyway, I am done with booking any girls from Thermea. Not sure if I want to try anymore Thai girls during the rest of my stay. It is a shame since I am in Bangkok after all and by any mean, I should try the local stuff. However, I am just not getting the experience that I have come to expect and enjoy. Ironically, I had a better quality time with this Uzbek girl instead.
[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2178735] One girl after learning that my hotel is two BTS stop away offered me 3000 for ST and would not budge on price. From what I know the standard is 2500 ST and 5000 LT. I just stepped away and to cut things short, I selected a different girl for ST.
Several things add up to my shitty experience with these Thai girls. Strike 1, they started counting their time as soon as you exit the bar. WTF. I lost almost 30 minutes by this count. Strike 2, need dim lights, no kissing, have to be CBJ, no can do for this, no can do for that, the don't list feels like a damn rule book. I almost kicked her out (and of course still pay her the amount owed) with all these rules. Strike 3 - She rushed me hoping that I can come as soon as possible. If you read my past Pattaya post, similar shit happened to a girl that I had bar fined for LT, and I did in fact kicked her out of the room less than 15 minutes into our session. Anyway, I did not pop with the Thai girl from Thermea. What a waste of my time, money and energy.
[/QUOTE]First of all, let me assure you that, despite all the wonderful reports of fantastic sex and fulfillment on these and other sites, it is EASY to spend as long as a week in Thailand and get virtually NOTHING worthwhile sexually from the P4P girls you encounter no matter where they work or where you find them. That sometimes happened to me when I used to come here on vacation 20-25 years ago when I was younger and fitter and, believe it or not, it has actually happened to me 2-3 times (weeks) while I have been living here for the past 5+ years.
I don't mean I couldn't have found some poor bedraggled soul during those bad spells who would spread her legs for me. YOU can find a poor soul who would spread her legs for you this very minute. But that isn't what we're talking about, right? I'm talking about finding a new Thai girl with whom it clicks, I am inspired to fuck her and the deed is done with the right attitude for a reasonable price. Going as long as a week without finding such a new Thai girl has even happened to me, I will admit it here before god and everyone.
Now, having said that, I suppose what I would have done (and what you might try the next time in Thermae or anywhere) is when the girl that intrigued you quoted 3,000 baht, I would have said, "Oh, pang pang (expensive). But I would be happy to give a lady 3,000 baht IF. " and after that "IF" is where you list all the things you need to make it work for you; No Hurry, DFK, No Condom For BJ, whatever. Yes, this approach is suppose to ruin the mood and dilute the chemistry. So what. Sometimes this is what is necessary in order to start fucking in Thailand the way you want and break the spell of what you are experiencing right now.
Was it the 3,000 baht that stopped you with the first girl? Again, I would have gladly paid 500 baht over the going rate IF the girl had agreed to behave the way I need her to behave to keep me from kicking her ass out the door. I find that once they are fixated on a certain baht amount to make them happy and they hear a potential customer more or less happily AGREE to pay it, they do not keep as much of a death grip on their limitations to earning it. I usually get much more enthusiastic agreements to the things I suspect you want in the deal as well once I have let them know that, no problem, I can easily pay a girl 3,000 baht for ST and can't wait to do it. Got it right here in my pocket. And more right next to it. Can you smell it? I am almost about to pull it out of my pocket and give it to you without a hitch. But. It does matter what she does for and with me before I give it to her. Smile a lot when you explain that to her.
Maybe that approach will work, maybe not. But it might be worth a try. I honestly believe that if you had set out with that approach, always making your agreement to pay her quoted rate contingent upon you getting what you want in the room other than some vague "sex for money" conventional understanding of it, with as few as 3-4 different girls to your liking, ONE of them would have said yes and meant it.
[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2178735]I don't mean to offend anyone with this rant, but I do need to get this off my chest since it has been a constant miss for me with Thai girls thus far from Pattaya last year to Bangkok this year. Their MO have always been "Let's just get this over with type of attitude".
[/QUOTE]Everyone goes through dry spells. Stay positive and don't get too frustrated. Don't think too much about your streak of bad luck. It will pass. In the meantime be happy and cheerful and try to find pleasure in the small things in life. Good food, drink and the kindness of people you meet. Women (of all nationalities) have sixth sense and if you are full of pent up frustrations and exhibit a bad attitude your troubles will just compound themselves and you will not find what you are looking for.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2178840]First of all,
SNIP
ONE of them would have said yes and meant it.[/QUOTE]SAGE ADVICE.
All ye newcomers who enter here, read this post before ye fucketh Thai chicks.
[QUOTE=Goons;2178718] One or two I considered kept asking my hotel name and room no[/QUOTE]A Hotel name might serve as a price indicator. I was asked that a few times and found out the reason for it. But that was not in Thailand. So not sure if it can help.
A room no should only be given to direct the girl to your place. So after you agree to a session.
Anything else is not consistent with what you want and maybe shaky. Not very important to find out exactly what that is.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2178845]Everyone goes through dry spells. Stay positive and don't get too frustrated. Don't think too much about your streak of bad luck. It will pass. In the meantime be happy and cheerful and try to find pleasure in the small things in life. Good food, drink and the kindness of people you meet. Women (of all nationalities) have sixth sense and if you are full of pent up frustrations and exhibit a bad attitude your troubles will just compound themselves and you will not find what you are looking for.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that encouragement. Actually, I had done my fair share of mongering across the globe, from FKK Germany to Private Haus in Amsterdam to Dominican Republic to Indonesia to Singapore and of course now Thailand. To me the journey is more important than the destination, and that is why I focus on the experience and interactions with the ladies. Even in FKK where the turnover is high, I only go for those ladies that I truly enjoy, not just on the sex but on the way how they make me feel. That is why I am so disappointed this time with the experience with the Thai girls. Actually, I have been having a good time with this Bangkok trip, albeit with the Uzbek girl that I met the first night and we hit off right then. It is just disappointing that it is not with a Thai girl instead.
Anyway, I have been hitting different clubs two nights in a row now with her, and probably another one again tonight before my trip back home. Nope it is not a freebie if you happen to ask. I paid her for LT price the first night and has continued to do so each night based on that rate. We have not discussed money nor price other than the first time I met her. It is the gentlemen agreement that I compensate for her time, and she is a working girl after all. I even prefer to leave money on the table and remind the girl to not forget pick them up before leaving the room. As the saying goes, I may not remember what the girls and I had done, but I can always remember how the girls had made me feel.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2178865]SAGE ADVICE.
All ye newcomers who enter here, read this post before ye fucketh Thai chicks.[/QUOTE]Yep. Eih Tooms and Uncle V's follow up post couldn't be more accurate. The interview process is a key to making better selections. Now in my mid 60's and overweight, I find less girls will go with me. And I am not an outgoing barrel of laughs. . But my percentage of good times is much higher than ever. It's all in my attitude and the interview process. Great advice in these recent posts for newbies and even some of us oldies.
[QUOTE=SexInStl;2178355]Go late 3 or 4 nights in a row. And then go early 3 or 4 nights in a row. You'll see.[/QUOTE]Since I'm in Chiang Mai now (zzzzzz.) hopefully I can return soon and test that out haha.
Lefeu and SexInStl.
You both are very right! It is more so about quality over quantity, for me as well.
I retract that absent-minded statement, especially since I hadn't been there at 8 pm. Yet.
I was surprised to find a girl with a Japanese look I like, spoke good English and great personality, she also wouldn't budge under 3000 for ST, but I accepted.
[QUOTE=DioRetz;2178868]A Hotel name might serve as a price indicator. I was asked that a few times and found out the reason for it. But that was not in Thailand. So not sure if it can help.
A room no should only be given to direct the girl to your place. So after you agree to a session.
Anything else is not consistent with what you want and maybe shaky. Not very important to find out exactly what that is.[/QUOTE]Yup, I made and appointment with a lady on CL. She was excited and wanted to meet me ASAP. When she asked me the hotel name and I said "Ambassador", she never showed up. I Lined her and ask her when she was coming and she said that she had many disappointments at the Ambassador as most are Indian and bad news always follows. She canceled.
RL.
I can't remember to have been mongering on a Sunday but I will remember that last Sunday was the worst day I have encountered from all my BKK mongering days in terms of quality. Went to Nana at around 8. 20 pm and started first with Billboard and went further to Buterflies, Twister and Bangkok Bunnies which was by far the worst place of all. Absolutely no woman that caught my eye. All places were rather boring. The same goes for the WG's who looked rather uninterested. I have been reading that Fridays and Saturdays are the days when it's the most busiest with more WG's around which is understandable. Thermae was also so-so even though I never went to Thermae between 8 and 9 pm. Ended up with Dollhouse which has some lookers but I wasn't in the mood anymore. Can I conclude that Sunday is the worst day to go to gogo's or was it just bad luck?
[QUOTE=Hiete;2179164]I can't remember to have been mongering on a Sunday but I will remember that last Sunday was the worst day I have encountered from all my BKK mongering days in terms of quality. Went to Nana at around 8. 20 pm and started first with Billboard and went further to Buterflies, Twister and Bangkok Bunnies which was by far the worst place of all. Absolutely no woman that caught my eye. All places were rather boring. The same goes for the WG's who looked rather uninterested. I have been reading that Fridays and Saturdays are the days when it's the most busiest with more WG's around which is understandable. Thermae was also so-so even though I never went to Thermae between 8 and 9 pm. Ended up with Dollhouse which has some lookers but I wasn't in the mood anymore. Can I conclude that Sunday is the worst day to go to gogo's or was it just bad luck?[/QUOTE]I was out last Sunday night, too, walking along Sukhumvit Soi 4/Nana Plaza area with a new regular, non P4P girlfriend who had just come to visit me from Korat. She had never seen that area before and was flabbergasted that virtually every girl within sight, except for the servers at Hooters, were working girls prepared to have sex with a stranger for money at anytime. "Thai girls?!" Yeah, honey, Thai girls.
But I swear I remarked to a friend of mine just yesterday that last Sunday night had to have had the worst looking freelancers and outdoor beer bar girls up and down Soi 4 and nearby Sukhumvit of any night I have ever experienced. LOL. It was actually spoiling my fun in indicating that this group of Thai girls over here, that group of Thai girls, here, there and everywhere were all available for sex with men, every day of every week, for money since almost none of them looked like they would get a taker on any night of the week. We didn't go into a go-go bar, so I don't have an opinion on how those venues were faring.
But last night was awesome. Tons of hotties. In fact, any night after last Sunday night was better.
The only thing I can think of is this has been a "Summer Break" from school in Thailand. Many of the working girls who can afford it, meaning those who at least get SOME customers sometime, might have taken time off from their daily work schedule to be with their kids, travel to or with them on holiday and so on. And therefore only the others were left working last Sunday.
During my last 4 night stay in BKK I must say that I had the best time in Dollhouse this time instead of Billboard or CH. DH has a pretty good vibe and girls seem to have fun. Music was OK even though Billboard still is my number 1 in terms of music. Some decent lookers in DH with #88 that drew the most of my attention. Now I must say that I'm usually a sucker for petite women with died hair, however.
#88 aka Zoda looks more like the artist Pink. Platinum blonde short hair, lots of tattoos and piercings and colored contact lenses. Not the tiniest and reasonable body. Don't think that she has undergo any plastic surgery. She dances well, like her attitude and interaction while she was on stage. He English was very reasonable even though I had difficulties to understand her due to the fact that a sat near the speaker. I was interested to take her to my room with me for LT but she mentioned that she can only do ST as she lives with her mother. She mentioned that it would be possible to go LT from 10 am until 1 am. Damage would be 5000 Bath LT which seems very cheap to me. Perhaps she or I misunderstood? As I was only interested to spend the whole night and morning with her I let it pass. Might give her a try if she's still around during my next BKK visit.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2179170]But last night was awesome. Tons of hotties. In fact, any night after last Sunday night was better.[/QUOTE]I left BKK last Monday. Thanks for sharing. I feel much better now! LOL.
[QUOTE=Hiete;2179179]I left BKK last Monday. Thanks for sharing. I feel much better now! LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL. It actually crossed my mind on Sunday that if this was the only night a punter ever strolled through the Sukhumvit/Soi 4/Nana Plaza area, he would never book another flight to Bangkok again.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2179195]LOL. It actually crossed my mind on Sunday that if this was the only night a punter ever strolled through the Sukhumvit/Soi 4/Nana Plaza area, he would never book another flight to Bangkok again.[/QUOTE]Funny that you mention this as it was exactly that what I was thinking of while I was sitting in Bangkok Bunnies! LOL.
But then again, what are the alternatives for a 3 to 4 night stay in SE Asia. Having this said though, while I was going to the airport I was already thinking when I will be coming back again to BKK. Soapies, Oilies, Gogo's, FL'ers, Bar girls, BJ bars, dating site and app WG's. It's all there within a radius of perhaps 2 - 3 kilometers. And not to mention the good food! As I usually stay near Soi Cowboy I end up in CH when I'm still alone and eat in "Love Scene" near CH. Food is good though when you want to eat after 1 am. If any punters know some other local places in the area that are open after 1 am then I'm more than happy to hear.
[QUOTE=Hiete;2179164]...Can I conclude that Sunday is the worst day to go to gogo's or was it just bad luck?[/QUOTE]For me, Sunday nights at go-go's have historically been the poorest in terms of quality, quantity and variety. A lot of regular patrons are expats who actually have work to do starting Monday morning. LOL Too, the visiting business guys from all over the planet need to be in an office of someplace on Monday morning. By Sunday night, they may have already gone through their entertainment allowance for the week or just need to rest up before going back to work. The girls know this. Accordingly, they schedule one of their "off days" for Sunday. The "rich" ones may pay their own barfine and not show up, having hit the lottery Friday and Saturday. The obvious "plus" is that, with fewer customers, the girls might be more willing to negotiate. On a nightly basis, pussy is highly perishable, good for about 6 hours if not purchased (rented).
[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2178880]Thanks for that encouragement. Actually, I had done my fair share of mongering across the globe, from FKK Germany to Private Haus in Amsterdam to Dominican Republic to Indonesia to Singapore and of course now Thailand. To me the journey is more important than the destination, and that is why I focus on the experience and interactions with the ladies. Even in FKK where the turnover is high, I only go for those ladies that I truly enjoy, not just on the sex but on the way how they make me feel. That is why I am so disappointed this time with the experience with the Thai girls. Actually, I have been having a good time with this Bangkok trip, albeit with the Uzbek girl that I met the first night and we hit off right then. It is just disappointing that it is not with a Thai girl instead.
Anyway, I have been hitting different clubs two nights in a row now with her, and probably another one again tonight before my trip back home. Nope it is not a freebie if you happen to ask. I paid her for LT price the first night and has continued to do so each night based on that rate. We have not discussed money nor price other than the first time I met her. It is the gentlemen agreement that I compensate for her time, and she is a working girl after all. I even prefer to leave money on the table and remind the girl to not forget pick them up before leaving the room. As the saying goes, I may not remember what the girls and I had done, but I can always remember how the girls had made me feel.[/QUOTE]I'm glad you are having a fun time with your Uzbek-Korean girl. That is quite an intriguing mix and she sounds like a lot of fun to boot.
Pleas do post info on the Discos / Nighclubs you are going to. There is very limited info about these venues on the forum, besides the usual suspects: Levels, Insanity, Mixx, etc.
Stay horny and positive my friend.
Uncle-V.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2179170]The only thing I can think of is this has been a "Summer Break" from school in Thailand. Many of the working girls who can afford it, meaning those who at least get SOME customers sometime, might have taken time off from their daily work schedule to be with their kids, travel to or with them on holiday and so on. And therefore only the others were left working last Sunday.[/QUOTE]That is quite insightful. Now I have a clue why CH and Baccara were dead on April 13. Thanks.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2179229]I'm glad you are having a fun time with your Uzbek-Korean girl. That is quite an intriguing mix and she sounds like a lot of fun to boot.
[/QUOTE]A bit unlikely too. I take it with a grain of salt. I met a girl "half Romanian half Thai". Was total invention on her part. Her excuse for being very short. Not a drop of Thai blood there, naturally she did not understand the most basic Thai, completely Ziguener.
[QUOTE=Hiete;2179200]Funny that you mention this as it was exactly that what I was thinking of while I was sitting in Bangkok Bunnies! LOL.
[/QUOTE]Come now, BBunnies has about 3 slim hotties (hard to get to). LOL Mostly over weight, milfy, or siliconised types. However remember that we don't all have the same tastes, like you and me (clearly a bit similar). I also think the DH line up is pretty good, in fact you may have read my report on it a while back. BB is not for me, but I can see it can appeal to others with different taste. Girls look a bit raunchier than normal.
I notice Indian guys often like a lot more meat on girls than I do (puffy to chubby girls LOL). Japanese taste confuses me a lot. Some like similar girls to me (in CH in former times), some like highly plastic dolls like in Baccarra, and some like ladyboys. Maybe they take many types except I don't see them taking the chubby to fat girls at all.
The extremely raunchy types in CH (often ugly girls compensating) seem to have mostly western customers (I maybe wrong on this - not concentrating on these types or paying too much attention).
I have to agree that line ups can seem bad one night and good another. A single visit does not make us know the line up, very well at all. Also bars like Doll House have changed drastically more than once since the owner went off his high rise balcony.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2179264]The extremely raunchy types in CH (often ugly girls compensating).[/QUOTE]And you have just stated the exact problem with Bangkok. The lookers are not extremely raunchy. Why not? Because the punters don't demand it and for the most part it turns the Asian customers off. They'd rather have demure gals. I really don't get it, but I am sure they don't get the Western punter either.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2179229]I'm glad you are having a fun time with your Uzbek-Korean girl. That is quite an intriguing mix and she sounds like a lot of fun to boot.
Pleas do post info on the Discos / Nighclubs you are going to. There is very limited info about these venues on the forum, besides the usual suspects: Levels, Insanity, Mixx, etc.
Stay horny and positive my friend.
Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]The other club that we went to besides the one above is Club XS in Pullman Hotel by Terminal 21. It has a smaller setup located on the top floor of the building. Last night, we have the intention of going to Onyx. Unfortunately we ended up staying at Insanity since the Uzbek girl and her friend did not show up until almost 12:30 AM and that place closes at 2 AM. That did not leave plenty of time.
Anyway, being my last party night in Bangkok, I ordered a bottle of Chirac Vodka to celebrate. I can tell you that it is one of the smoothest vodka that I have ever tasted, two thumbs up. The two girls were close and I can tell that they take care of each other. I guess they kind of have to, being foreign working girls working in a foreign land. As I partied with my girl, I also wanted to provide distance with her friends so that it did not create the impression that I had booked both of them. Her friend actually looked very sexy, long black silky hair, and that typical Central Asian look.
It was interesting to see how guys would do their routine approach. I should know, LOL, since this kind of mirrors my same routine back then two nights ago. They would stand next to our table closer to her, gyrate to the music with her, and a few minutes in would try to initiate a conversation to negotiate pricing. There would be a few that would appear stiff and uneasy, and I would help speed up the process by offering a shot of vodka from my bottle. Anyway, she did not end up with anyone that night for a few primary reasons that I thought it is interesting to share.
There was one time when an Indian guy would just grab her hand and pulled her away. I guess it was to find a quieter place to talk. When she came back, she told me that she rejected him outright since he demanded to fuck her ass for 2000 baht. Then she joked that she should have paid that to up his ass with her fist instead. Later on, a German guy approached her and the negotiation fell through. She mentioned to me later on that he is those typical German who is cheap when it comes to paying girls. It is alway interesting to hear and observe things from the other side.
Anyway, I had the best night last night. The place was packed with people, the drink was great, and my girl took great care of me. She almost felt like my girlfriend all this while, haha. Anyway, we were both wasted that night and along the way she suggested if I would like to have threesome with her friend. I know that I cannot handle it with all the alcohol and such, but I felt bad enough that her friend did not have any taker that I gave her a tip. Initially she did not want my money, however, I insisted and she finally took it.
The three of us stayed until the club was closed. With lights turned on, we would stumble our way out of the club. I have never felt more drunk but yet cognizant of my surrounding at the same time. Took a taxi and headed to the Bamboo restaurant where it served pretty good Russian food. After supper, my girl and I headed to our hotel room while her friend went back to her apartment. I thought that I would not have the energy to have sex with my girl, but apparently both of us did. She kept saying I really like you multiple times while we were having sex. That really makes my day.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2179260]A bit unlikely too. I take it with a grain of salt. I met a girl "half Romanian half Thai". Was total invention on her part. Her excuse for being very short. Not a drop of Thai blood there, naturally she did not understand the most basic Thai, completely Ziguener.[/QUOTE]Her look is definitely geared more towards Korean than Uzbek, and she looks distinctly different in the nose and jawline area compared to her Uzbek friend. Also, she never advertised herself as half Korean. It was part of my conversation with her when talking about her family that she mentioned her South Korean father had left her Uzbek mother when she was five, and had not met and talked to her biological father much. Her mother had since remarried to a local and she has two half siblings in her family.
I was crawling along Petchaburi road and I checked the soapies there, Hawaii, Angelina, Evita. It seems Riviera is closed down, sealed door and legal announcement displayed. I have seen this kind before, usually they do no re-open.
[URL]http://thaidb.info/riviera[/URL]
[QUOTE=XRatedBangkok;2179561]I was crawling along Petchaburi road and I checked the soapies there, Hawaii, Angelina, Evita. It seems Riviera is closed down, sealed door and legal announcement displayed. I have seen this kind before, usually they do no re-open.
[URL]http://thaidb.info/riviera[/URL][/QUOTE]See also topic in Bangkok thread. Confirmed closed for illegal usage of Artesian water.
[QUOTE=XRatedBangkok;2179561]I was crawling along Petchaburi road and I checked the soapies there, Hawaii, Angelina, Evita. It seems Riviera is closed down, sealed door and legal announcement displayed. I have seen this kind before, usually they do no re-open.
[URL]http://thaidb.info/riviera[/URL][/QUOTE]What was the talent like in the other places you tried? All oldies? You'll get more of a response if you post this in the proper thread.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!
Guys,
I am going Bangkok in Sept. For 8 nights, Might spend two days in Pattaya. Where is the best place to stay out of Nana, suk and Soi cowboy?
My form of mongering is street girls and club freelancers. I have no interest in gogo bars or beer bars. Might try a blowjob bar tho.
I am going for numbers. As long as she is short, clean and skinny with a reasonable face I won't be to fussed.
Can you guys advise on the best streets and clubs to find girls.
[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;2179929]Guys,
I am going Bangkok in Sept. For 8 nights, Might spend two days in Pattaya. Where is the best place to stay out of Nana, suk and Soi cowboy?
My form of mongering is street girls and club freelancers. I have no interest in gogo bars or beer bars. Might try a blowjob bar tho.
I am going for numbers. As long as she is short, clean and skinny with a reasonable face I won't be to fussed.
Can you guys advise on the best streets and clubs to find girls.[/QUOTE]It's really easy. Just spend some time and read a few pages. You will find answers to your questions above. You are expected to invest some of your time in finding answers to your questions.
There has apparently been some controversy over this, but it is my opinion that the new canopy covering the otherwise open air central courtyard area of Nana Plaza keeps that area cooler rather than warmer in the evening as some are saying. This was more evident to me this past weekend when the evenings were a bit warmer than most since the canopy was put in place.
My initial impression when a friend and I sat at a table in Nana Beer Garden, the bar on the ground level/center courtyard of the Plaza at about 7 PM, was that it was too warm to sit there for very long. But I think that was due to the lack of enough well placed fans in their new set up. We didn't stay and moved on to somewhere else to eat and drink while watching the parade. However, with little or no perceptive reduction in the outside temperature at 9 PM, we returned to the Plaza and noticed it felt noticeably cooler in that open center area by then.
My later impression was that by then all of the go-go bars on all three levels of the Plaza had been for the previous couple of hours firing up their air conditioners with their doors wide open except for a split curtain here and there and that the canopy was effectively trapping that cool air inside the Plaza and better directing it toward the ground level even more so than cooler air is inclined to fall anyway. It hadn't happened that way by 7 PM-7:30 PM. But it seemed to be working out that way by 9 PM even though that has been a time in the Bangkok evening when I will often feel some kind of second wind wave of heat stirring up from somewhere. But at that point the canopy-covered courtyard of Nana Plaza was feeling more comfortably cooler than just a few steps outside of the Plaza.
Has anyone else noticed a difference one way or the other?
Don't want to get into too many details but I always worry. First time in Thailand and I asked a girl if she was clean and she said she had no sti and showed me a picture of a form that had the term "anti HIV" checked off and nothing else checked. What does that mean?
A friend and I were strolling through Thaniya Road in Silom last night about 9:30 PM and an Asian woman tout approached us in front of one of the first Karaoke bars with many lovely, young Thai girls sitting outside on the right as you walk away from the BTS. A group of about 8 Japanese guys had just been greeted and escorted into the place ahead of us. We had no intention of going in or taking any girl for the night but the tout was very keen on both of us going inside to enjoy what they had to offer. She told us it wasn't Japanese only, that men like us were more than welcome, that the "barfine" to take a girl of our choice away for 2 hours or so was 1,200 baht, that the girl expected an additional 3,000 baht for herself, that a ST room in the area would be extra (she wrote out the numbers on a small paper tablet and showed it to us) and that it would indeed be a sex happy ending of the blowjob and/or boom-boom kind. Covered or uncovered anything was not mentioned and I didn't ask this lady.
She and I engaged in a bit of small talk in Thai at one point but I don't believe my knowing any Thai language beyond "Sawatdee Khrup" (hello) mattered and more than that came after she told us the particulars anyway. She was very adamant about us please going inside to take a look and she smiled broadly when I told her we might come back in a night or two to check it out. My friend stood next to me in silence during the approximately 2 minute long exchange.
By "men like us" being more than welcome, I mean to say neither of us are Japanese or otherwise Asian. I am a 50-ish year old-looking Caucasian American of mostly German/Irish descent and my friend is a tall African American man with very dark skin, almost Wesley Snipes black, who looks maybe 8-10 years younger than me.
As soon as we walked away, we were besieged by 3-4 Asian male touts flashing their photo brochures for fish tank/soapy/massage shops, two of them assuring us that, unlike the Japanese Karaoke bars on this road, one of which we were just pitched on by the Asian lady, the girls in their shops serviced non Japanese customers and provide sex.
So, which ones were telling the truth, those two Asian male touts highly motivated to convince us to choose their fish tank/soapy/massage shops over the Japanese Karaoke bars or the female Asian tout (mamasan?) trying very hard to get us to go into that Japanese Karaoke bar to enjoy the sexual favors of the lovely, young girls sitting outside? LOL.
I have no idea yet. But after having read and heard that these places only service Japanese customers, I am just passing along what we were told by the touts trying to get us into their respective venues last night. The girls sitting outside the Japanese Karaoke bar we were told most certainly catered to non Japanese/Asian customers did look pretty good, better than the typical groups sitting or standing outside the bars and shops in the Soi Nana and Soi Cowboy areas.
[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;2179929]Guys,
I am going Bangkok in Sept. For 8 nights, Might spend two days in Pattaya. Where is the best place to stay out of Nana, suk and Soi cowboy?
My form of mongering is street girls and club freelancers. I have no interest in gogo bars or beer bars. Might try a blowjob bar tho.
I am going for numbers. As long as she is short, clean and skinny with a reasonable face I won't be to fussed.
Can you guys advise on the best streets and clubs to find girls.[/QUOTE]Somewhere on or near Soi 11 is my recommendation you're right in the middle, near freelancers, and the clubs are right there.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2180096]So, which ones were telling the truth, those two Asian male touts highly motivated to convince us to choose their fish tank/soapy/massage shops over the Japanese Karaoke bars or the female Asian tout (mamasan?) trying very hard to get us to go into that Japanese Karaoke bar to enjoy the sexual favors of the lovely, young girls sitting outside? LOL.[/QUOTE]Those guys offering soapie girls seem to be around Patpong and Thaniya most of times. They offered me a 17 yo girl. I don't like things like that. He told me he could ask for even younger ones. I quickly moved on. That was about a year ago in broad daylight. I was walking towards the snake farm and not really interested. On April 11 or 12 I saw those soapie offering guys again. I just looked at him when somebody shouted to me: "It's a scam". I don't know what that meant exactly but I moved on.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2180096] better than the typical groups sitting or standing outside the bars and shops in the Soi Nana and Soi Cowboy areas.[/QUOTE]I passed Thaniya twice and was not so lucky as you were. They turned their heads away when I took a few steps towards them. They are beautiful, yes. But I think the most beautiful ones in Baccara are about average on Thaniya. It really struck me that they look so much the same as Baccara girls but just a bit more beautiful. I will try again next time. I like their beauty.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2164003]Viagra is very easy to buy in Bangkok and they don't require a prescription. Pretty much every pharmacy you walk by will have it. I buy the generic since it's way cheaper and still works fine for me. I've stayed on soi 22 many times, as you walk towards Sukhumvit, there is definitely a pharmacy there that has it.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=GreenBud;2164167]Charoen Pharmacy on Soi 3 will give you the Sidegra at the MSRP price. Not sure what percentage of the other pharmacies will give it to you at the MSRP price. In Pattaya, none of the small pharmacies would give it to me at the MSRP price. Charoen is convenient because it is close to Nana Plaza. The prices went up last year. Now I believe it should be 120 baht for box of 4 50 MG tablets, and 200 baht for a box of 4 100 MG tablets.
Charoen Pharmacy should have legit Viagra and Cialis, but at a lot higher price. There will be counterfeit Viagra/Cialis and Indian generics on the street. Those work, but some are blanks (probably due to quality control?).[/QUOTE]Charoen Pharmacy is like a candy store! They have anything you can imagine. Got a box of 4 20 MG genuine Cialis, a box of 4 20 MG Apcalis and a box of 4 50 MG Sidegra for 2400 bahts and they worked like a charm. I'm like a teenager again!
[QUOTE=DioRetz;2180301]
I passed Thaniya twice and was not so lucky as you were. They turned their heads away when I took a few steps towards them. They are beautiful, yes. But I think the most beautiful ones in Baccara are about average on Thaniya. It really struck me that they look so much the same as Baccara girls but just a bit more beautiful. I will try again next time. I like their beauty.[/QUOTE]The girls sitting outside did not smile back, wave or otherwise acknowledge my friend and I either. Although I can't recall any of them turning their heads away in an effort to communicate rejection through body language. They just sat there either passive or engaged in casual conversation with each other.
And I don't remember seeing them smiling broadly and waving when the group of 8 or so Japanese guys were being corralled into the place by other touts. Maybe a couple of the girls (whose turn at bat it was in their queue?) had stood as they walked toward the door anyway.
Their passive behavior struck me as similar to the way they generally behave in venues where Japanese customers dominate, such as Thermae.
Only the female tout (or a mamasan?) who approached us to cover the particulars and invite us inside was smiley and behaved overtly friendly.
[QUOTE=Gladiator69;2163584]Having sex once or twice a day is not a problem in general, but hey I'll be in BKK and a fuck-a-thon is my plan, it may be good to get some recreational help, just in case.
From my research on this forum, Charoen Pharmacy on Soi 3 and Southeast Pharmacy on Soi 15 Sukhumvit seem to have the best chance on getting some Viagra / Sidegra or Cialis / Apcalis. Prefer the 5 MG daily dose of Cialis / Apcalis as it gets me ready all day (you know, just like my user name Gladiator), don't have to worry about when I should take it and wait for it to take effect. Open to try Kamagra too (wonder if the gel tastes medicinal).
Is it still the case that these two pharmacies are the best shot? Is there other pharmacy close to where I will stay (Holiday Inn Sukhumvit on Soi 22 on the first few days of my trip)?[/QUOTE]You can buy Viagra, Cialis or the generic ones without a prescription from pretty much any pharmacy. But the only problem is to make sure they are genuine as sale of counterfeits is widespread. I just went with eye test by checking for the trademark labels when I bought my supply. Good luck and have fun!
[QUOTE=ThePenetrator;2179929]Guys,
I am going Bangkok in Sept. For 8 nights, Might spend two days in Pattaya. Where is the best place to stay out of Nana, suk and Soi cowboy?
My form of mongering is street girls and club freelancers. I have no interest in gogo bars or beer bars. Might try a blowjob bar tho.
I am going for numbers. As long as she is short, clean and skinny with a reasonable face I won't be to fussed.
Can you guys advise on the best streets and clubs to find girls.[/QUOTE]The best pick up bar for freelancers is Thermae. Dozens of them to choose from if you go before 10 PM. You will also find lot of freelancers hanging out on the streets but I found the quality to be less than desirable. Also remember that freelancers are risky as you may not be able to find them in case you are robbed. Not to mention health risk as they are not obligated to get tested.
[QUOTE=GreenBud;2164167]Charoen Pharmacy on Soi 3 will give you the Sidegra at the MSRP price. Not sure what percentage of the other pharmacies will give it to you at the MSRP price. In Pattaya, none of the small pharmacies would give it to me at the MSRP price. Charoen is convenient because it is close to Nana Plaza. The prices went up last year. Now I believe it should be 120 baht for box of 4 50 MG tablets, and 200 baht for a box of 4 100 MG tablets.
Sidegra is legal Thai generic Viagra.
Has Thailand started to manufacture legal generic Cialis? In the US, Lilly loses its Cialis patent later this year.
Charoen Pharmacy should have legit Viagra and Cialis, but at a lot higher price. There will be counterfeit Viagra/Cialis and Indian generics on the street. Those work, but some are blanks (probably due to quality control?).[/QUOTE]What about the Jelly? Some say it's smoother with less side effects.
[QUOTE=SexInStl;2181080]What about the Jelly? Some say it's smoother with less side effects.[/QUOTE]For me Kamagra Jelly it's stronger, faster but also with a bit more side effects compared to kamagra pills.
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2181082]For me Kamagra Jelly it's stronger, faster but also with a bit more side effects compared to kamagra pills.[/QUOTE]I like the Apcalis-sx20 (tadalafil 20 MG). Significantly less side effects for me than Sidegra and still active the next day. I buy most of it on the street at 200 baht for a 4 pack and as GreenBud commented there have been occasional blanks but I always carry Kamagra Jelly with me just in case and deal with the heartburn and headache later.
I am ethnically Indian and a 60 year old Brit.
How should / would I go about hiring a GF for a duration of a week or so to enjoy the hobby and enjoy the sights of Bangkok and or Thailand?
I seek advice from seniors confirming or otherwise suggesting other venues perhaps elsewhere on the planet for the said purpose bar Africa and Middle East.
Sole traveller.
Apologies for taxing your time!
[QUOTE=GoodMan;2181211]I am ethnically Indian and a 60 year old Brit.
How should / would I go about hiring a GF for a duration of a week or so to enjoy the hobby and enjoy the sights of Bangkok and or Thailand?
I seek advice from seniors confirming or otherwise suggesting other venues perhaps elsewhere on the planet for the said purpose bar Africa and Middle East.
Sole traveller.
Apologies for taxing your time![/QUOTE]The easiest way is hire an escort for any of the multiple agencies operating in BKK. It could prove to be an expensive proposition, but I think it may be the safest route for a first timer (assuming you are one). The Escorts thread on this forum has some good advice with details of specific agencies and escorts. Good luck.
Write a report when you are done.
[QUOTE=GoodMan;2181211]I am ethnically Indian and a 60 year old Brit.
How should / would I go about hiring a GF for a duration of a week or so to enjoy the hobby and enjoy the sights of Bangkok and or Thailand?
I seek advice from seniors confirming or otherwise suggesting other venues perhaps elsewhere on the planet for the said purpose bar Africa and Middle East.
Sole traveller.
Apologies for taxing your time![/QUOTE]I may have a lady friend that potentially could be interested in this but since you can't receive PM (I assume because you are not a paying member) so I can't help you until you can do PM here in this site.
I know it is a bit counterintuitive to target African women while in Bangkok, but I stumbled across a really hot one on tinder. She quoted me 3000ST and 7000 (LT. So obviously, LT is out. But her ST price is in line with high end Thai escorts. So is 3000 a fair price for someone of her caliber, or should I expect a built in discount because African women in Bangkok aren't in that much demand?
The reason I ask, is that I've read various Bangkok guides that mention African FLs on the street go for somewhere in the range of 800-1000 for ST, and 1500 to 2000 for LT. Like I said before, she's hot. But I have a hard time believing she's not one of those FLs that hangs out on in the street near Soi 13.
[QUOTE=DimndJoe;2181593]I know it is a bit counterintuitive to target African women while in Bangkok, but I stumbled across a really hot one on tinder. She quoted me 3000ST and 7000 (LT. So obviously, LT is out. But her ST price is in line with high end Thai escorts. So is 3000 a fair price for someone of her caliber, or should I expect a built in discount because African women in Bangkok aren't in that much demand?
The reason I ask, is that I've read various Bangkok guides that mention African FLs on the street go for somewhere in the range of 800-1000 for ST, and 1500 to 2000 for LT. Like I said before, she's hot. But I have a hard time believing she's not one of those FLs that hangs out on in the street near Soi 13.[/QUOTE]I think the rate is pretty reasonable based on what you just described and as always, value is always in the eye of the beholder. If she is as hot as you mentioned and is able to provide you with a memorable session, then I said it is worth every baht. If she provides a lousy session, I will regret paying no matter how low the price is or how hot she is.
[QUOTE=DimndJoe;2181593]I know it is a bit counterintuitive to target African women while in Bangkok, but I stumbled across a really hot one on tinder. She quoted me 3000ST and 7000 (LT. So obviously, LT is out. But her ST price is in line with high end Thai escorts. So is 3000 a fair price for someone of her caliber[/QUOTE]I never had a really great experience with an African in Thailand (based on the sample size of 4 over many years), though some of them were acceptable. Having the gall to quote 7000 LT by itself indicates she's way overpriced (or expecting you to negotiate down), but if she is really hot in your eyes, and if you don't care much about burning 3000, go for it. Yes, African FLs on Sukhumvit Soi 4 are around 1000ST, but they really aren't much to look at, to put it mildly. I'm sure a hot one would ask more, but I personally wouldn't pay more than 2000ST given the low likelihood of good service.
However, watch out for fake or enhanced pictures. I wouldn't be able to decide an African working girl is hot without seeing her in person.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2181694]I never had a really great experience with an African in Thailand (based on the sample size of 4 over many years), though some of them were acceptable. Having the gall to quote 7000 LT by itself indicates she's way overpriced (or expecting you to negotiate down), but if she is really hot in your eyes, and if you don't care much about burning 3000, go for it. Yes, African FLs on Sukhumvit Soi 4 are around 1000ST, but they really aren't much to look at, to put it mildly. I'm sure a hot one would ask more, but I personally wouldn't pay more than 2000ST given the low likelihood of good service.
However, watch out for fake or enhanced pictures. I wouldn't be able to decide an African working girl is hot without seeing her in person.[/QUOTE]Overpricing like this sounds off alarm bells for me. If any WG thinks or tries to think they are way above average market value then I think attitude and thus performance may be an issue. How about counter offer with " I know the usual price is. , so if I get a good performance I will tip. " This is my MO when I monger but you have to be willing to deal with the aftermath of a a poor performance and strong enough to get them out the door. But its your money YVMD.
[QUOTE=DimndJoe;2181593]The reason I ask, is that I've read various Bangkok guides that mention African FLs on the street go for somewhere in the range of 800-1000 for ST, and 1500 to 2000 for LT. Like I said before, she's hot. But I have a hard time believing she's not one of those FLs that hangs out on in the street near Soi 13.[/QUOTE]I agree that asking too high a price is usually results in a bad experience that said 3 k for a hot girl in Bangkok ST is not outrageous.
I'm only interested in bareback. I've already had the shot in the butt and I don't care.
It seems bareback is harder to find these days, and for me, covered is a waste.
What are the best strategies for this? In Colombia and in the Philippines, I've found using agencies or bar girls is always a bust, as long as they have a boss, they always need covered, or they up the price.
If Thailand is the mongering capital of the world, I'm guessing if you want 24/7 bareback, then it's the easiest place to get it. But, I think there's an HIV craze there now, where all the girls are too scared to bareback now.
Any experienced mongers in Thailand that can advise me?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=DimndJoe;2181593]I know it is a bit counterintuitive to target African women while in Bangkok, but I stumbled across a really hot one on tinder. She quoted me 3000ST and 7000 (LT. So obviously, LT is out. But her ST price is in line with high end Thai escorts. So is 3000 a fair price for someone of her caliber, or should I expect a built in discount because African women in Bangkok aren't in that much demand?
The reason I ask, is that I've read various Bangkok guides that mention African FLs on the street go for somewhere in the range of 800-1000 for ST, and 1500 to 2000 for LT. Like I said before, she's hot. But I have a hard time believing she's not one of those FLs that hangs out on in the street near Soi 13.[/QUOTE]If you can share her photo here, it will be easy to tell you. Without a photo, it would be a complete guess offering up an opinion.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2178693]
On a side note, for all the occasional suggestions that my interest in achieving a true GFE as in BBFS or BBBJ+CIM+(preferably) Swallow finish as being extreme, out of the main stream, not something many or most other punters care much about, should not justify tweaking any, say, escort-related business model to accommodate a discrete arrangement of same and so on, Neigung's report and my experience right here reminds me that I don't recall ever reading a Field Report on this or any similar site listing either outcome with their lady on the "negative" side of her rating score card rather than squarely on the "positive" side. Just mentioning that observation in passing.[/QUOTE]Girls from Thai Friendly, or at least the GFE experience type of girls like this, I assume don't simply live right next to Soi Cowboy and aren't girls working that area waiting for a text. If this assumption is true, and you are pulling awesome GFE experience girls, more non-pro kind of girls, from other areas, is it better to book a hotel that is more central or less in-the-middle of Soi Cowboy, etc. ?
This is totally what I'm looking for, because I don't care for crowds, smoking, or even alcohol really. Just achieving true GFE and solid good times, privately. So a hotel further away from Soi Cowboy and Nana is totally fine with me if it means more convenient access to GFE more non-pro girls, part-time freelancers.
[QUOTE=DimndJoe;2181593] The reason I ask, is that I've read various Bangkok guides that mention African FLs on the street go for somewhere in the range of 800-1000 for ST, and 1500 to 2000 for LT. Like I said before, she's hot. But I have a hard time believing she's not one of those FLs that hangs out on in the street near Soi 13.[/QUOTE]I encountered a girl from Ghana near soi 7 on my first night who offered herself to me for 1000. She was pleasant to to look at, which is saying a lot coming from me, since I'm not too attracted to her race. I had just popped in a Thai girl, so I had to pass.
That said, you need not pay a premium for Africans, who don't seem to be that popular in Thailand (and probably not anywhere else that I know of). I think the price you were quoted was the "Tinder" premium that applies to punters who are too lazy to hit the streets, look at the ample inventory and negotiate.
[QUOTE=Dante702;2181865]I'm only interested in bareback. I've already had the shot in the butt and I don't care.
It seems bareback is harder to find these days, and for me, covered is a waste.
What are the best strategies for this? In Colombia and in the Philippines, I've found using agencies or bar girls is always a bust, as long as they have a boss, they always need covered, or they up the price.
If Thailand is the mongering capital of the world, I'm guessing if you want 24/7 bareback, then it's the easiest place to get it. But, I think there's an HIV craze there now, where all the girls are too scared to bareback now.
Any experienced mongers in Thailand that can advise me?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]The best bet is to use a web site like ThaiCupid or one of the many and find a GF. This is the approach I have used for years. They never ask for a condom. Many advantages with a GF in Thailand. She will advise, protect, and negotiate prices for you so you do not overpay Taxis and street food etc.
I travel with her and enjoy the anywhere and anytime sex we have. At todays prices in anything offered and the shitty service that most Wg's are giving I feel the best way to go is the GF route. Some can't travel because they work so if you plan on more than one GF you set them up in the places you want to monger.
I've been thru the exercise of banging a different WG every night. 50% are a waste. I don't have the means to stay in Thailand for months like some of the seniors here so it is difficult to get a winner in each club that has proved great when you need her.
I have come to the conclusion that a GF is the best way to go for an old gizzer like me.
RL.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2181694]I never had a really great experience with an African in Thailand (based on the sample size of 4 over many years), though some of them were acceptable. Having the gall to quote 7000 LT by itself indicates she's way overpriced (or expecting you to negotiate down), but if she is really hot in your eyes, and if you don't care much about burning 3000, go for it. Yes, African FLs on Sukhumvit Soi 4 are around 1000ST, but they really aren't much to look at, to put it mildly. I'm sure a hot one would ask more, but I personally wouldn't pay more than 2000ST given the low likelihood of good service.
However, watch out for fake or enhanced pictures. I wouldn't be able to decide an African working girl is hot without seeing her in person.[/QUOTE]My friends and I get approached quite often, separately, by the better looking African girls strolling around Sukhumvit area. Yes, there are very few really good looking ones, imo. They all seem to be quoting ridiculously high prices; 3,000 baht for ST, for example. Imo, that is high for a girl walking the streets in the rain or heat. I got the 3 that I have tried so far down to 2,000/2,500 by being quite ready to walk away. But I have not had one budge below that. And most seem very reluctant to agree to BBBJ+CIM. They are checking their phones a lot so I assume they are on Tinder all the time or whatever. The less attractive ones seem to be ok with 1,000-1,500, but I have never taken one of them.
Based on my limited experience with 3 better looking African girls walking the streets of Bangkok over the past couple of years and what my friends tell me of their experiences, none of us were impressed or even fairly well satisfied by what happened in the room and ongoing interest in trying more African girls is near zero. Seems in Thailand, "Once You Go Black" you quickly discover that once (or twice) is plenty to satisfy your curiosity and it is quite easy to go back.
[QUOTE=Dante702;2181865]I'm only interested in bareback. I've already had the shot in the butt and I don't care.
It seems bareback is harder to find these days, and for me, covered is a waste.
What are the best strategies for this? In Colombia and in the Philippines, I've found using agencies or bar girls is always a bust, as long as they have a boss, they always need covered, or they up the price.
If Thailand is the mongering capital of the world, I'm guessing if you want 24/7 bareback, then it's the easiest place to get it. But, I think there's an HIV craze there now, where all the girls are too scared to bareback now.
Any experienced mongers in Thailand that can advise me?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Making a case for how and why a Thai girl, be it a go-go dancer, a massage shop girl, a freelancer or a regular, non P4P dating site girl would go bareback with you can hinge on a hundred well-timed and presented approaches and responses. Too many to list here and now for each and every possible situation, of course. I wish it were as simple as saying some magic words or offering much more money. But it isn't. Yes, part of it is the HIV craze that isn't exactly currently in the air but the aftershocks from past decades are still being felt.
However, there are some basics that I would not leave home without regarding this subject. First of all, be conscientious and honorable about measures you DO take to be as safe as possible despite not wearing a condom; Get a vasectomy. If you are not circumcised already, get yourself circumcised. Always have a current (within a month or two is enough, imo) clean / normal / negative / non-reactive blood check document from a well-known reliable source in your possession to show the girl should she be interested in seeing it.
Committing to those conditions will automatically give you more confidence about making the offer or request to go bareback on the premise that you are as safe for them without a condom as many men they will meet who fully intend to wear a condom. I use the term "intend" intentionally and for a reason. After all, men "intending" to wear an intact condom can certainly produce more unwanted pregnancies, contract and transmit dangerous or deadly bugs than any circumcised man who has had a vasectomy and possesses a current negative blood check document.
Having done that, and assuming you are not the kind of guy willing to "go with the flow" and wait to see if nature just takes its course in the room (I am about half into this, half not into it since a "no" to bareback sex from the girl at any point means I will not be engaging in vaginal intercourse with her. End of story. No exceptions. It will simply not happen for me with a condom. Tried everything. I am old enough and experienced enough to know, for an absolute fact, that the outcome this time will not be different if I just give it one more try.), I suppose you could say there are some basic "approaches" to it:
You can make your agreeing to pay her first quoted price, or a bump up from it, contingent upon going bareback with the assurance that you are probably provably safer with your vasectomy and current blood check document than most of the men she might encounter "intending" to wear a condom.
As has been mentioned, you might choose to meet girls on the dating sites and become more or less their real boyfriend for a while. Can't say they "never ask for a condom". That certainly hasn't been my experience. But you can load up on enough first meetings in 2-3 days to meet some who will be fine with barebacking you. Or you can cover that issue with them through text and video chatting even before you meet them in person. That tends to be my general method. I also can send them a photo of my current blood check document while we're on the subject. Many, many times I have already tapped down any concerns and worries about going bareback with me well before that first coffee meeting.
I believe it also helps to be as sincere and honest about it as possible. It isn't easy to project an image of a sexual Superman while admitting to the girl that, unfortunately, you just can't get it up, keep it up and get it off while wearing a condom. But if that is the fact, tell her so. Some girls will chuckle in derision, huff and puff in disgust, launch into a lecture about how you are destroying the world and so on. Shrug if off and move on. There are others right behind those girls who will appreciate your honesty, your effort to be as safe as possible anyway and be happy to jump into bed with you for real skin-to-skin contact sex.
Ultimately, sheer numbers are in your favor. Don't let one, two, three or more rejections stop you. My experience is these things occur in clusters. It is just as likely that the next 4-5 will all say yes to it.
If why want guaranteed bareback then Thailand may not be for you. Only place on the forums I see guarantees bareback is at Dietzenbach FKK near Frankfurt. Bareback is more common in Japan than other places from ehat I can tell tho clearly YMMV.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2182090]My friends and I get approached quite often, separately, by the better looking African girls strolling around Sukhumvit area. Yes, there are very few really good looking ones, imo. They all seem to be quoting ridiculously high prices; 3,000 baht for ST, for example. Imo, that is high for a girl walking the streets in the rain or heat. I got the 3 that I have tried so far down to 2,000/2,500 by being quite ready to walk away. But I have not had one budge below that. And most seem very reluctant to agree to BBBJ+CIM. They are checking their phones a lot so I assume they are on Tinder all the time or whatever. The less attractive ones seem to be ok with 1,000-1,500, but I have never taken one of them.
Based on my limited experience with 3 better looking African girls walking the streets of Bangkok over the past couple of years and what my friends tell me of their experiences, none of us were impressed or even fairly well satisfied by what happened in the room and ongoing interest in trying more African girls is near zero. Seems in Thailand, "Once You Go Black" you quickly discover that once (or twice) is plenty to satisfy your curiosity and it is quite easy to go back.[/QUOTE]The first thing that anyone would learn from ECON-101 is that price is always determined by supply and demand. I don't see demand for African girls especially among the Asian clienteles (it's a culture thing) and hard to ignore the fact that is where the bulk of the customers come from in Bangkok. That probably explains why they may not have pricing power when compared to CIS or even Vietnamese girls.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2182033]The best bet is to use a web site like ThaiCupid or one of the many and find a GF. This is the approach I have used for years. They never ask for a condom. Many advantages with a GF in Thailand. She will advise, protect, and negotiate prices for you so you do not overpay Taxis and street food etc.
I travel with her and enjoy the anywhere and anytime sex we have. At todays prices in anything offered and the shitty service that most Wg's are giving I feel the best way to go is the GF route. Some can't travel because they work so if you plan on more than one GF you set them up in the places you want to monger.
I've been thru the exercise of banging a different WG every night. 50% are a waste. I don't have the means to stay in Thailand for months like some of the seniors here so it is difficult to get a winner in each club that has proved great when you need her.
I have come to the conclusion that a GF is the best way to go for an old gizzer like me.
RL.[/QUOTE]I am 29, and I've had the same experience in Manila. I agree, GF is the best way to go, because too many WGs are a waste. I haven't experienced Angeles though, yet, where I expect bareback and WG's being a waste to be minimal.
Your GF route, do you only keep one? Are they usually jealous or require being the only GF or about you not mongering on the side?
What are the compensation expectations of Thai GFs?
To others and RL. If there are so many options and girls, can't we just turn her away in the room, within 5 minutes, if she refuses bareback? I mean. That's my plan in Angeles is to say OK, no thanks, to any FL, and go back downstairs and find someone that will. I feel like this is a reasonable strategy, because it is just leveraging the truth, that you can just go back down and find someone else in 5 minutes.
[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2182122]The first thing that anyone would learn from ECON-101 is that price is always determined by supply and demand. I don't see demand for African girls especially among the Asian clienteles (it's a culture thing) and hard to ignore the fact that is where the bulk of the customers come from in Bangkok. That probably explains why they may not have pricing power when compared to CIS or even Vietnamese girls.[/QUOTE]I don't know, I don't see many Asian men stopping to chat with or walking off with an African girl on the stroll in the Bangkok red light areas. It is almost always farang men doing that. Maybe it is different inside certain clubs and discos where I am not there to observe it.
Like most, I assumed the African girls were going for less money than their Thai counterparts and willing to do more for the money because they were not what most farang punters have travelled 20-36 hours to Thailand to get.
But the better looking African girls apparently don't see it that way and feel their exotic difference and the satisfaction of "curiosity" is worth more and can stand alone as a reason to hold firm at or near their quoted price even if the quality of service provided is way lower. And they must be right.
Just this past week a visiting friend of mine spied a better looking than most African girl standing among other hopefuls outside Thermae. We had both seen her on the stroll along Sukhumvit near Sois 4 and 3 before. This time he approached her, chatted with her quite a long time while I stood far off to the side and did get her to come down from 3,000 to 2,000 for ST, her stating she was up for "everything" except anal.
Turned out, very much in sync with many Thai girls' definition of "everything", she was very reluctant to engage in DFK and BBBJ even as mere foreplay, not going to provide a CIM finish much less truly finish it with a polite and proper swallow and there was not going to be any BBFS happening either. So much for any reasonable definition of "everything". He said it was so much work on his part and so not worth the effort he wouldn't repeat if she came down to 200 baht for the next one.
And one interesting side note is she told him she was playing hide and seek with the cops for possible visa violation. So if any girl should have been sweet as pie about accommodating the desires for a discounted rate of a pleasant, attractive gentleman who would and could have been a go-to port in her storm over and over again on repeat sessions and to keep her off the highly visible stroll as much as possible, this girl was it. Yet, none of that motivated her to do even the rock bottom minimum without a somewhat abrasive and dismissive attitude in the room with a whole new list of services not included in the term "everything."
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2182118]If why want guaranteed bareback then Thailand may not be for you. Only place on the forums I see guarantees bareback is at Dietzenbach FKK near Frankfurt. Bareback is more common in Japan than other places from ehat I can tell tho clearly YMMV.[/QUOTE]Bareback AO is now outlawed in Germany as of July last year.
[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2182173]Bareback AO is now outlawed in Germany as of July last year.[/QUOTE]Yeah and so is BBBJ (OWOW). Wink wink. Seriously, go read the German FKK forums. There was a 6 month BBBJ lull and then right back at it- tho some girls are charging 50€ more. But CIM was always 50€ up charge, so moot for me. AO is still quite available at a handful of clubs (don't expect high optics tho).
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2182160]I don't know, I don't see many Asian men stopping to chat with or walking off with an African girl on the stroll in the Bangkok red light areas. It is almost always farang men doing that. Maybe it is different inside certain clubs and discos where I am not there to observe it.
Like most, I assumed the African girls were going for less money than their Thai counterparts and willing to do more for the money because they were not what most farang punters have travelled 20-36 hours to Thailand to get.
But the better looking African girls apparently don't see it that way and feel their exotic difference and the satisfaction of "curiosity" is worth more and can stand alone as a reason to hold firm at or near their quoted price even if the quality of service provided is way lower. And they must be right.
Just this past week a visiting friend of mine spied a better looking than most African girl standing among other hopefuls outside Thermae. We had both seen her on the stroll along Sukhumvit near Sois 4 and 3 before. This time he approached her, chatted with her quite a long time while I stood far off to the side and did get her to come down from 3,000 to 2,000 for ST, her stating she was up for "everything" except anal.
Turned out, very much in sync with many Thai girls' definition of "everything", she was very reluctant to engage in DFK and BBBJ even as mere foreplay, not going to provide a CIM finish much less truly finish it with a polite and proper swallow and there was not going to be any BBFS happening either. So much for any reasonable definition of "everything". He said it was so much work on his part and so not worth the effort he wouldn't repeat if she came down to 200 baht for the next one.
And one interesting side note is she told him she was playing hide and seek with the cops for possible visa violation. So if any girl should have been sweet as pie about accommodating the desires for a discounted rate of a pleasant, attractive gentleman who would and could have been a go-to port in her storm over and over again on repeat sessions and to keep her off the highly visible stroll as much as possible, this girl was it. Yet, none of that motivated her to do even the rock bottom minimum without a somewhat abrasive and dismissive attitude in the room with a whole new list of services not included in the term "everything."[/QUOTE]
If you happen to read my past reports on Pattaya and Bangkok, you can see that I did not have much luck with the Thai girls on the GFE front. Given that Thailand is infamous as the mongering destination and with so many tourists descending on the place, I believe it has contributed to all these lousy attitudes that I had encountered from these working girls. Cold, mechanical and purely transactional. Compared to them, I think a sex robot can provide better intimacy, LOL.
My recent Bangkok trip could have been an unmemorable one. Luckily, I was able to meet up with a CIS girl who had made this Bangkok trip the best one that I have had in years among all other destinations. What an irony! Anyway, I do so not see Bangkok as a repeat destination for me in the near future.
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[QUOTE=Dante702;2182140]I am 29, and I've had the same experience in Manila. I agree, GF is the best way to go, because too many WGs are a waste. I haven't experienced Angeles though, yet, where I expect bareback and WG's being a waste to be minimal.
Your GF route, do you only keep one? Are they usually jealous or require being the only GF or about you not mongering on the side?
What are the compensation expectations of Thai GFs?[/QUOTE]Answering for myself and I think my "regular girlfriend" style choices are different from RobertLong's, I do with my girlfriends all the things he stated in his post but I have a stable of "girlfriends" to choose from for doing it. I do not have just one or two special gfs that are like this with me in that way, that is. I never pledge fidelity to them when we first meet, never tell them I am not having sex with other girls, never work to make them think I sit home and twiddle my thumbs between our meetings. I don't rub their noses in it. I mean when they ask throughout the day on Line, "What are you doing? "Where are you?" "Is the friend you are with a man or a woman?" and so on, I respond to their, imo, unjustified intrusive monitoring of my behavior with innocuous responses and give them the one they want to hear. When I do bother to respond to those kinds of repeated questions.
Meanwhile, it is a rare occurrence that one of my Thai girlfriends bolts in anger because it becomes clear I am using my precious and well-earned freedom to see other women. Quite the opposite. I have found my return to them after an absence, sometimes by as much as 2-3 weeks, that can only be logically explained as my partaking of other female sexual delights, is to embrace me more ardently, fuck more enthusiastically, suck more eagerly. Seriously, it is more likely that these women will envy your ability to act on genuine masculine freedom exactly the way they are certain they would if they had been born with a penis instead of a vagina and want to be closer to it rather than run away from it. Not saying they won't pout and send head-exploding Line stickers when you put them off for an entire week or two. But they somehow manage to get over it pretty quickly and right back into girlfriend mode.
In terms of compensation, it depends on the need. If you expect to have a very, very needy girl hang with you often, I'd say politely slip her a couple of thousand baht every week or so "To help your family" or whatever the issue has been. But most of my girlfriends have decent jobs, can pay their own rent, do not have horror stories to share about dying grandpa and grandma and will push back almost any offer even to pay for their taxi ride to meet me. But that doesn't mean they won't start giving me big doe eyes when the next 30,000 baht Samsung smartphone hits the market. LOL. See, that is something they can show their co-workers and cousins as evidence of your love other than selfies of the two of you laying in bed together.
[QUOTE]To others and RL. If there are so many options and girls, can't we just turn her away in the room, within 5 minutes, if she refuses bareback? I mean. That's my plan in Angeles is to say OK, no thanks, to any FL, and go back downstairs and find someone that will. I feel like this is a reasonable strategy, because it is just leveraging the truth, that you can just go back down and find someone else in 5 minutes.[/QUOTE]I have a feeling that will work better in the Philippines than in Thailand. Oh, sure, you can put a Thai FL out for any reason. But I wouldn't expect many to just take your wasting their time and perhaps even getting a free nude show in the shower before finding out they won't provide BBFS as passively and with so much understanding and acceptance as Philippino FLs unless you meant that you would also be paying whatever amount you agreed to pay anyway. Despite the impression some newbies might have that Thai hookers are desperate to do anything with anyone for money and that a decision to wear a condom or not is generally up to the customer for his own reasons, the fact is a Thai hooker who says she will give you "EVERYTHING" only says that to convince you to take her and is very firm in her mind that "EVERYTHING" excludes anything she just doesn't feel like doing this time or with you ever. Wearing a condom is something many if not most Thai hookers think or at least want to convince anyone within earshot that they think everyone in this game does all the time with very, very rare exception.
Therefore, a Thai hooker who is put out without the agreed upon baht amount because she won't give you BBFS when she has NOT agreed to do it before walking to your room with you will not take kindly to it, will likely not keep her mouth shut about what you just did and why for anyone in the lobby of your hotel and outside the door to hear, any other FLs she stands near and on and on. If it really matters that you not spend a baht more than necessary getting BBFS with Thai hookers and aren't willing to "go with the flow" and take a chance that all might turn out well in the room, I would recommend you getting a clear and unambiguous affirmative response to the question before you take one to your room.
I hit Bangkok late in the afternoon, threw the bags on the hotel floor, grabbed a shower then food and headed to Nana Plaza. Around 8.00, all the places were just filing in. I had a beer under the new canopy at the ground floor Bar and watched the activity. Headed up to level 3 around 8. 15 and hung around outside of Billboard with all the girls that were just about to go in. There were only maybe 6 girls inside and less than that number in guys. It was nice to see everyone just chilling outside in natural light and I took note of a few numbers. One of 3 super hotties present had obviously organised to meet some young dude outside as when he arrived they were off with smiles all round – never even entered the club, maybe just ducked inside to pay the bar fine, it all happened so quick I didn't catch it all.
I went in around 8. 30 and there were still only maybe 12 girls in, a few up on the rotating dance floor and maybe 3 in the tub and half that in guys. At about 9. 00 there was probably a full crowd of 30+ girls and probably the same in guys. The mamasan, whom I had just met, was sitting next to me with her arms around me and we were having a bit of a laugh as a girl I had been eyeing stepped down from the stage and walked past. Apparently on her way to a dude (which I only found out later). I motioned to her as she was walking past and she looked at me and the mamasan for direction on what to do. Mamasam gave me the nod. I guess it always pays to be friendly to everybody, yes be aware of what their motives are but a smile and friendly banter does payoff.
So this young 20 year old stunner sits with me for a drink, her English was basic at best so after 10 minutes we are off. I pay the bar tab which was a drink for me 200, drink for the lady 320 ish? And then pay my girl the 700 bar fine which she took to the cashier and we were off. I pay her quote of 3000, don't see the point of negotiating down to 2500 as she had been really reasonable with everything up to this point. I do apologise to the guy that ended up with her friend and they both gave us a big wave and smile as we were leaving so Kudos to you buddy – you are a true gentleman and I honestly didn't know she was on her way over to you until I thought about it much later.
We get to the hotel and it turns out she has only been there a short time and was very new. Her looks are simply stunning, perfect bikini body, no baby or other scars and I would go as far as say that she was one of the most stunning working girls I had seen anywhere. Now this is where it is hard to review her. She was really shy and obviously very inexperienced. So, little foreplay, she really didn't know what to do, but once I started to rub her pussy she got really wet and started to writhe a little, I jumped on top and she got into it, hanging onto to me in a really intimate type of way, burying her head into my neck and moaning louder and louder, very GFE type of action. It all appeared genuine and she was so sweet. I don't really care if it is genuine or not as I am there for myself, but I would say she has only had limited sex in her life and it is all a new experience for her. I personally prefer a PSE, I have a nice GF back home so don't really need the intimacy from a worker but it was an interesting sweet experience.
I am the kind of guy that likes to repeat, I believe if you find someone that does it for you it is worth going again and exploring further until it is time to move on and find the next best thing. I like to build a few regulars in different places and rotate through them all the while replacing the ones that drop off with the never ending supply of new ones. With this girl the starting point in experience is so low that I don't know that it is worth repeating. It would just take too long to get her more into the PSE mould that I prefer. I believe it would be possible just probably not a good risk / reward scenario. She did ask a few times when I am going to see her again to which I used the "duck and weave" boxing strategy so not to answer directly, maybe I will..or maybe that cute little spinner that I almost took would be a better option, she did look crazy and probably up for anything. It is good to be back Bangkok.
Please note: I prefer not to say the girls number. I believe in sharing info about the place and then leaving it up to the individual to search out what does it for them at the actual place.
Got a good looking mid 20's takeout from Thermae on Monday night around midnight. There were plenty of choices available, not too many mongers, and several were making eye contact. The price was settled at 2500 after a very short negotiation. I asked all the right questions about DFK, BBBJ and DATY and the girl agreed to all in the bar. But, once in the hotel, she was very resistant to all of these. The session was a disaster and I asked her to perform a massage instead. This seems to be the trend in Thermae these days, similar to other recent reports. I will probably try TF / TC on my next visit.
[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2182554]
I went in around 8. 30 and there were still only maybe 12 girls in, a few up on the rotating dance floor and maybe 3 in the tub and half that in guys. At about 9. 00 there was probably a full crowd of 30+ girls and probably the same in guys. The mamasan, whom I had just met, was sitting next to me with her arms around me and we were having a bit of a laugh as a girl I had been eyeing stepped down from the stage and walked past. Apparently on her way to a dude (which I only found out later). I motioned to her as she was walking past and she looked at me and the mamasan for direction on what to do. Mamasam gave me the nod. I guess it always pays to be friendly to everybody, yes be aware of what their motives are but a smile and friendly banter does payoff.
We get to the hotel and it turns out she has only been there a short time and was very new. Her looks are simply stunning, perfect bikini body, no baby or other scars and I would go as far as say that she was one of the most stunning working girls I had seen anywhere. Now this is where it is hard to review her. She was really shy and obviously very inexperienced. [/QUOTE]You arrived at the perfect time, to get to see the best looking girls. One was taken already pre booked.
Hope it was not the big fat mamasan. She is not to be trusted (to return the change) and will always be sucking up for drinks and tips. Well worth avoiding.
It is not at all unusual here to have the penalty for choosing such a hot fresh young girl, to find they are very shy, inexperienced and lacking in skills. Happened to me too. Luck of the draw. I had one excellent girl as well, but no pornstar types.
[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2182178]If you happen to read my past reports on Pattaya and Bangkok, you can see that I did not have much luck with the Thai girls on the GFE front. Given that Thailand is infamous as the mongering destination and with so many tourists descending on the place, I believe it has contributed to all these lousy attitudes that I had encountered from these working girls. Cold, mechanical and purely transactional. Compared to them, I think a sex robot can provide better intimacy, LOL.
[/QUOTE]That seems very non typical. You must have chosen the wrong girls, or somehow you were the wrong guy for them. I did not read, so I don't know if you built chemistry somehow or not. I try to have fun with a bargirl first, before deciding on her. I certainly have a stable of girls that I repeat regularly who give a very GF like Experience. Certainly not cold and mechanical. They can let themselves go. Even working girls can get horny and want to cum sometimes.
Not all girls are beautiful kissers. That is something to try to find out quickly. One girl almost can't keep her tongue out of my mouth, she is into kissing that much. Doesn't smoke too.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2182174]Yeah and so is BBBJ (OWOW). Wink wink. Seriously, go read the German FKK forums. There was a 6 month BBBJ lull and then right back at it- tho some girls are charging 50 more. But CIM was always 50 up charge, so moot for me. AO is still quite available at a handful of clubs (don't expect high optics tho).[/QUOTE]I did not experience any 6 month lull, nor have I made an agreement to pay extra for a BBBJ. At 2 major venues, never had a CBJ despite the change in law. Not much useful info on the German forums. I don't bother to read them any more. I would agree with you though, despite BB being outlawed (BBFS must have been illegal for years), likely to make little difference (so cannot see the relevance of Geckko's comment - AO clubs were ever fully legal? LOL). Not really relevant to Bangkok. Lots of things happening in Bangkok are not completely legal either.
I hardly ever had a CBJ in Bangkok. Really can't remember the last one, not that it would have been memorable. LOL.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2182033]The best bet is to use a web site like ThaiCupid or one of the many and find a GF. This is the approach I have used for years. They never ask for a condom. Many advantages with a GF in Thailand. She will advise, protect, and negotiate prices for you so you do not overpay Taxis and street food etc.
I travel with her and enjoy the anywhere and anytime sex we have. At todays prices in anything offered and the shitty service that most Wg's are giving I feel the best way to go is the GF route. Some can't travel because they work so if you plan on more than one GF you set them up in the places you want to monger.
I've been thru the exercise of banging a different WG every night. 50% are a waste. I don't have the means to stay in Thailand for months like some of the seniors here so it is difficult to get a winner in each club that has proved great when you need her.
I have come to the conclusion that a GF is the best way to go for an old gizzer like me.
RL.[/QUOTE]A GF is not best for everyone, especially as not all GFs provide totally adequate levels of sex. Can be a money trap unless she needs no support whatsoever. What does a beautiful young girl need a really old guy for? (can't she do any better? Yes I am old enough). WGs can be cheaper. Also many others are seeking to have more variety.
Can be better to have a Gik instead of GF, or a girl in an inbetween status, I. E. Not your main wife, but a secondary one.
I have main GF (plenty of years), secondary one (Gik), and also WGs. None of the these are totally perfect from all perspectives. It needs trimming back. LOL.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2182718]I did not experience any 6 month lull, nor have I made an agreement to pay extra for a BBBJ. At 2 major venues, never had a CBJ despite the change in law. Not much useful info on the German forums. I don't bother to read them any more. I would agree with you though, despite BB being outlawed (BBFS must have been illegal for years), likely to make little difference (so cannot see the relevance of Geckko's comment - AO clubs were ever fully legal? LOL). Not really relevant to Bangkok. Lots of things happening in Bangkok are not completely legal either.
I hardly ever had a CBJ in Bangkok. Really can't remember the last one, not that it would have been memorable. LOL.[/QUOTE]For pure mongering I would choose FKK over Thailand any day. FKK has the hottest WGs in the world. Thailand, however, has a much better cost of living and year round weather. Summertime is FKKtime upselling BBBJ or not.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2182795]For pure mongering I would choose FKK over Thailand any day. FKK has the hottest WGs in the world. Thailand, however, has a much better cost of living and year round weather. Summertime is FKKtime upselling BBBJ or not.[/QUOTE]If you rent an apartment by the month, and eat Thai food, you will be much better off in Thailand. If stay in Hotels, it does not make much difference.
If you want a quickie or several quickies (30 minutes each), you are better off in FKK. Once you want a girl for long time like 2 hours to all night, Thailand becomes a lot cheaper. Once you want CIM and anal, you are better off in Thailand with no surcharges.
With unlimited funds, yes, I too would live in continual procession of FKKs (there are guys that do that), till it dies out, and keep choosing the odd stunner. You can even do Thai girls in FKK, should you find a pretty one. On average they give more reliable service was my experience (over European girls), and some black girls (if find a pretty one) are way better than the BKK black girls (on average).
Clearly we like both, but you get what you pay for. Both styles have a very limited percentage of really pretty girls (with hot bodies too).
On my last trip to Thailand I did not have a single memorable sexual experience which has contributed to me souring on the place. Prior to that I have always had memorable sexual experiences which kept me hooked on Thailand.
Before my trip I got some solid leads on girls I wanted to meet in Bangkok from Thai Cupid. Most of them flaked out once I got there and the mongering couldn't save it. I only went out to the bars a few nights on my trip and I went to Nana Plaza where I had so many great encounters in years gone by.
Had a bad experience at Spanky's where I was hassled by a service girl after sitting there for maybe 20 minutes or so, she holds up my drink and tells me if I don't order anything soon I'd have to leave. I'm usually the most generous customer around and once I get warmed up I buy endless round of drinks for staff and the girls since I don't drink much myself and not the type to nurse one drink for hours. Up to that point I was still trying to get a feel for some of the girls on stage and none of them returned my smile or look, but right before this service lady hassled me, a cute girl on stage started smiling at me just before her dance rotation ended. I was going to ask for her until this incident. So I approached what I assumed was the foreign manager in the back and his attitude was less than impressive to say the least. I told him what happened and instead of being professional and courteous, tries to shift the blame on me and insinuates that since it's a busy club, they do what is needed. And then he condescendingly tells me that if I felt that bad about it, he'd buy me a drink. Needless to say I check binned and left no tip.
And then it dawned on me, this exact same thing happened to me six years ago in, you guessed it, Spanky's. At that time, I contacted the owner / manager by e-mail and he was very apologetic and said that the lady involved no longer worked there. Whatever.
I did have a good time at the Rainbow bars though, friendly service staff and I ended up barfining a girl for short time on the premises. The sex wasn't all that great, kind of mechanical. Before my stop in Bangkok I actually spent a few days in Pattaya in order to catch up with an old friend and I barfined one girl from a Soi LK Metro gogo and the sex was not that great either. Ditto with a Soi 6 girl.
At that point I was just so bored and tired of it all and spent most of my time in my hotel room or going out to eat and catch a movie.
FKK vs. Thailand can be argued until we are blue in the face. Personally I was a FKK guy for 5 years making 6 trips per year but since I discovered Thailand I only visit Germany annually and I have moved to Pattaya. Imo the biggest contributing factor is whether you prefer Thai or Romanian girls. There are exceptions to the rule but imo there is no GFE from Romanian girls. Thai girls can give you the perception of a GFE.
Price wise both are comparable for a day of fun. A top gogo girl in Pattaya will run a non-expat 2000 barfine, 5000 overnight, 1000 food and snacks, 2000 drinks at gogo bar, totaling 10,000 baht per night. Add a few thousand baht if you're going to Hollywood disco. 10,000 baht in Germany would be FKK club entry and 2 girls for 1 hour. Give me the Thai girl who has just given her all for 18 hours from 9 pm until 3 pm the next day over 2 Romanians for 2 hours total. Regardless of price I know which I prefer to do for my 18 hours. FKK clubs are also extremely boring unless you're with a girl or a group of buddies.
Don't get me wrong Romanians can be beautiful but so are the TOP end Pattaya gogo girls. I'm not referring to 98% of the Thai girls you can get for a fraction of the cost.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2182795]For pure mongering I would choose FKK over Thailand any day. FKK has the hottest WGs in the world. Thailand, however, has a much better cost of living and year round weather. Summertime is FKKtime upselling BBBJ or not.[/QUOTE]I have been visiting the FKKs in Germany every year, for the past 12 years, and I mus have done 15+ trips there. I agree that you find some really hot girls there, but there is hardly any GFE. The sessions tend to be more business like and hence mechanical, whereas in Thailand I've had quite a few sessions that were GFE. I am not sure what you mean by "pure mongering".
I agree that the FKKs are great in the summer, with the outdoor pools, barbecue, and the girls tanning there, quite a sight! Planning to be there in late June / early July.
I can quickly clarify this debate. As long as you are not opposed to Romanian or Thai girls, anyone experienced mongerer MUST try both places. Jakarta is another must try destination if you're coming to Thailand.
Don't come to Thailand if you want TOP girls and think it's cheap. It isn't! I'm sure guys don't go to German FKK clubs looking for a Sylvana over a Kate.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2180909]
Their passive behavior struck me as similar to the way they generally behave in venues where Japanese customers dominate, such as Thermae.[/QUOTE]
A very astute observation. Never occurred to me the girls at Thermae act passively the way they do because this is what their Japanese customers want.
Was with a sweet black girl for a week.
Started with her in Bangkok, and then to Pattaya.
She is so sexual minded. In Pattaya we tried a couple of threesome both with a black girl and a local girl. At some point I thought she wanted it more than me hahahah She was licking the girls and fingerfucking her, not shy at all.
And she really went deep when sucking me.
She lives in Bangkok.
If you want details, feel free to contact me.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2183107]
A very astute observation. Never occurred to me the girls at Thermae act passively the way they do because this is what their Japanese customers want.[/QUOTE]Goatscrot has pointed it out as well several times. Perhaps others, not sure. Unfortunately, I suspect that "cultural adaptation" to Japanese style also likely carries over into what those girls will and won't do in the room. Or, rather, have and have not done.
Which brings up another observation I'd like to make. Interesting that these girls work so hard to "culturally adapt" to what Japanese customers expect of them before and, presumably, during a session yet after decades upon decades of the main P4P business in the red light/tourist areas depending on them to "culturally adapt" to Farang customers, so many girls, bar managers, mamasans and so on still can't cut it and WE are the ones blamed for "choosing the wrong girl", "having the wrong approach", "expecting too much", "not entertaining THEM enough first", "not understanding and accepting THEIR cultural limitations properly", and on and on. LOL.
Seems to me at some point the girls, mamasans and managers entering this business as generations of them have before should have been "culturally adapting" to what Farangs want, need and expect of them regarding their behavior, attitude, demeanor, sexual activities and so on. Isn't it about time to start concluding the vast majority of times when we hear of a lousy encounter or session that it can't really be the Farang customer's fault very often anymore, that by now it must be the providers, mamasans, managers and the like who are screwing up their job by not "culturally adapting" to what WE Farangs want and not the Farang customer failing to "culturally adapt" to their ways?
Do we suppose the Japanese customers would shrug it off and blame themselves so quickly and easily when the girls they choose don't behave properly according to their "cultural" expectations? I doubt it.
Just sayin'.
[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;2183029]Had a bad experience at Spanky's where I was hassled by a service girl after sitting there for maybe 20 minutes or so, she holds up my drink and tells me if I don't order anything soon I'd have to leave..[/QUOTE]That is pretty standard at most Nana bars that I know of. Complaining to the manager is a complete waste of time, they are the ones that make that policy and ensure that it is enforced.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2183137]Goatscrot has pointed it out as well several times. Perhaps others, not sure. Unfortunately, I suspect that "cultural adaptation" to Japanese style also likely carries over into what those girls will and won't do in the room. Or, rather, have and have not done.
Which brings up another observation I'd like to make. Interesting that these girls work so hard to "culturally adapt" to what Japanese customers expect of them before and, presumably, during a session yet after decades upon decades of the main P4P business in the red light/tourist areas depending on them to "culturally adapt" to Farang customers, so many girls, bar managers, mamasans and so on still can't cut it and WE are the ones blamed for "choosing the wrong girl", "having the wrong approach", "expecting too much", "not entertaining THEM enough first", "not understanding and accepting THEIR cultural limitations properly", and on and on. LOL.
Seems to me at some point the girls, mamasans and managers entering this business as generations of them have before should have been "culturally adapting" to what Farangs want, need and expect of them regarding their behavior, attitude, demeanor, sexual activities and so on. Isn't it about time to start concluding the vast majority of times when we hear of a lousy encounter or session that it can't really be the Farang customer's fault very often anymore, that by now it must be the providers, mamasans, managers and the like who are screwing up their job by not "culturally adapting" to what WE Farangs want and not the Farang customer failing to "culturally adapt" to their ways?
Do we suppose the Japanese customers would shrug it off and blame themselves so quickly and easily when the girls they choose don't behave properly according to their "cultural" expectations? I doubt it.
Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]I think the reason for the non-adaptation to farangs and the ease of adaptation to the Japanese is that Thai in some ways are naturally prudish and conservative when it coms to sex because that is what culture has dictated to them for some time, so the shy innocent style suits them well. Pre-2014 it seemed to me that these mores had loosened a bit in the 15 years I was here at that point, with the average gal dressing and acting sexier and being overall more comfortable with expressing their sexuality. The events of the past 4 years have brought an about face to that. Sex has again been labeled as something bad, something the bad and poor people do, and everyone knows that gaining status is very important to the locals. Plus many of them think it's just gross. Really, how many Thai gals have you had that love to play with cum? Very few, if any. Most are repelled by it, even the ones that like sex.
No longer on uni campuses do you see gals in tight shirts and short skirts. Siam Sq is now the center for frumpy dresses when 5 years ago short shorts, short skirts, and belly shirts were the rule. Jeez, even in Pattaya the gals are dressing more conservatively, which is just amazing to me. Watch some Thai soaps; the gals are nice looking, but dressed conservatively, and almost completely devoid of any real sexuality. In fact, I would say frigid describes them quite well. Been to a mall lately and seen Thai dudes being dragged around by their demanding GFs? To top that off I see a lot of young handsome farang dudes (non-mongering types) with gals I would give 500 Baht for ST. And same, they are following the gal like puppy dogs and they are as whipped as can be. Just call them Mr Butter. So what the hell chance do we as over 50 mongers have? Very little to tell you the truth. And I really don't see that changing. Yes, it's out there; I had a good time in Pattaya, but it is far more work that it used to be when you could walk out of Sukhumvit and your had so many gals to choose from.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2183059]FKK vs. Thailand can be argued until we are blue in the face. Personally I was a FKK guy for 5 years making 6 trips per year but since I discovered Thailand I only visit Germany annually and I have moved to Pattaya. Imo the biggest contributing factor is whether you prefer Thai or Romanian girls. There are exceptions to the rule but imo there is no GFE from Romanian girls. Thai girls can give you the perception of a GFE.
Price wise both are comparable for a day of fun. A top gogo girl in Pattaya will run a non-expat 2000 barfine, 5000 overnight, 1000 food and snacks, 2000 drinks at gogo bar, totaling 10,000 baht per night. Add a few thousand baht if you're going to Hollywood disco. 10,000 baht in Germany would be FKK club entry and 2 girls for 1 hour. Give me the Thai girl who has just given her all for 18 hours from 9 pm until 3 pm the next day over 2 Romanians for 2 hours total. Regardless of price I know which I prefer to do for my 18 hours. FKK clubs are also extremely boring unless you're with a girl or a group of buddies.
Don't get me wrong Romanians can be beautiful but so are the TOP end Pattaya gogo girls. I'm not referring to 98% of the Thai girls you can get for a fraction of the cost.[/QUOTE]I am not as experienced in FKKs as BB but I agree completely.
Unless you really take the top shelf girls the FKK experience is comparable to finding a gem on Soi 6. But probably not even as good as almost all Soi 6 girls do BBJ, DFK (and for many even CIM) standard. You have to pay extra for these nowadays in many FKKs. Moreover, Soi 6 is much cheaper as there is no entrance fee (50-70 Euro) and a sessions only sets you back 40 Euro.
FKKs were much better about 10 years ago when they were not dominated by Romanians and before the draconian laws. I remember some amazing sessions with hot young Czech, Slovak and even German girls. Passionate DFK and heavy petting while waiting for the room, real GFE experiences in the room, and many times much DFK and hanging out after.
I am heading to Germany for work tomorrow and will do a visit to an FKK while there. I'd so much rather be heading to Patts right now.
I have 5 months left before I hit Bangkok for a 6 month trip. You guys are depressing me. Is there no hope for an old guy who just needs a quickie here and there. Maybe I'll get a condo near Lumpini LOL.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2183199]I think the reason for the non-adaptation to farangs and the ease of adaptation to the Japanese is that Thai in some ways are naturally prudish and conservative when it coms to sex because that is what culture has dictated to them for some time, so the shy innocent style suits them well. Pre-2014 it seemed to me that these mores had loosened a bit in the 15 years I was here at that point, with the average gal dressing and acting sexier and being overall more comfortable with expressing their sexuality. The events of the past 4 years have brought an about face to that. Sex has again been labeled as something bad, something the bad and poor people do, and everyone knows that gaining status is very important to the locals. Plus many of them think it's just gross. Really, how many Thai gals have you had that love to play with cum? Very few, if any. Most are repelled by it, even the ones that like sex.
No longer on uni campuses do you see gals in tight shirts and short skirts. Siam Sq is now the center for frumpy dresses when 5 years ago short shorts, short skirts, and belly shirts were the rule. Jeez, even in Pattaya the gals are dressing more conservatively, which is just amazing to me. Watch some Thai soaps; the gals are nice looking, but dressed conservatively, and almost completely devoid of any real sexuality. In fact, I would say frigid describes them quite well. Been to a mall lately and seen Thai dudes being dragged around by their demanding GFs? To top that off I see a lot of young handsome farang dudes (non-mongering types) with gals I would give 500 Baht for ST. And same, they are following the gal like puppy dogs and they are as whipped as can be. Just call them Mr Butter. So what the hell chance do we as over 50 mongers have? Very little to tell you the truth. And I really don't see that changing. Yes, it's out there; I had a good time in Pattaya, but it is far more work that it used to be when you could walk out of Sukhumvit and your had so many gals to choose from.[/QUOTE]I agree with this theory. By the age of 20 in most latin or euro cultures girls can already really fuck and a lot are downright nasty by this stage. In many latin cultures it is positively rude to knock fuck a chics ass and most beg for CIM. I really struggle in Bangkok because girls just aren't naturally into being dirty little ho's and for this reason, although I am in Asia all the time I prefer to save energy, resources and sanity by just mongering elsewhere. Of course everyone has his own preferences and opinions.
[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2183184]That is pretty standard at most Nana bars that I know of. Complaining to the manager is a complete waste of time, they are the ones that make that policy and ensure that it is enforced.[/QUOTE]The thing is, I wasn't hassled rudely like that in other gogo's like the Rainbows I went in, nor in many other gogo's throughout Thailand. And interesting the reaction this time compared to six years ago.
I realize complaining to the manager is pretty much useless in general, but seeing as how so many people automatically ask guys whenever they have problems in a bar, "did you talk to manager," just wanted to cover my bases. He was about the worst I've come across in my years of mongering.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2183206]I am not as experienced in FKKs as BB but I agree completely.
Unless you really take the top shelf girls the FKK experience is comparable to finding a gem on Soi 6. But probably not even as good as almost all Soi 6 girls do BBJ, DFK (and for many even CIM) standard. You have to pay extra for these nowadays in many FKKs. Moreover, Soi 6 is much cheaper as there is no entrance fee (50-70 Euro) and a sessions only sets you back 40 Euro.
FKKs were much better about 10 years ago when they were not dominated by Romanians and before the draconian laws. I remember some amazing sessions with hot young Czech, Slovak and even German girls. Passionate DFK and heavy petting while waiting for the room, real GFE experiences in the room, and many times much DFK and hanging out after.
I am heading to Germany for work tomorrow and will do a visit to an FKK while there. I'd so much rather be heading to Patts right now.[/QUOTE]I would say comparing FKK to destinations like Bangkok or Jakarta is like comparing apples to oranges. Each place has its pluses and minuses. I am pretty sure having intimate knowledge of the local culture and the ability to converse in local languages like Thai or German would help tremendously in one's own experience.
I hope that you have fun while you are there Uncle V, I think the weather should be nice enough over there by now.
[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2183232]I would say comparing FKK to destinations like Bangkok or Jakarta is like comparing apples to oranges. Each place has its pluses and minuses. I am pretty sure having intimate knowledge of the local culture and the ability to converse in local languages like Thai or German would help tremendously in one's own experience.
I hope that you have fun while you are there Uncle V, I think the weather should be nice enough over there by now.[/QUOTE]Thanks so much for he kind wishes.
Of course you are right about apples and oranges and being a local always puts you at an advantage. I imagine this is especially true in Germany,.
But if asked to choose between the two I am just presenting the rationale hat goes through my head as someone that is not a local in either location and does nto speak the language.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2183216]I have 5 months left before I hit Bangkok for a 6 month trip. You guys are depressing me. Is there no hope for an old guy who just needs a quickie here and there. Maybe I'll get a condo near Lumpini LOL.[/QUOTE]Don't be put off by all the jaded comments you find on forums like this. Seems the complainers always outnumber the advocates. There is PLENTY of fine young pussy available at reasinable prices. Go in positive and non-transactional and you will have a good share of excellent experiences!
[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2183232]I would say comparing FKK to destinations like Bangkok or Jakarta is like comparing apples to oranges. Each place has its pluses and minuses.[/QUOTE]Being not too familiar with FKKs, I'm keenly interested in such a comparison and hearing exactly what the differences are. And I can't be the only guy here with the same interest.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2183300]Don't be put off by all the jaded comments you find on forums like this. Seems the complainers always outnumber the advocates. There is PLENTY of fine young pussy available at reasinable prices. Go in positive and non-transactional and you will have a good share of excellent experiences![/QUOTE]LOL I know I was being a bit facetious. I have been reading the same complaints for almost 20 years.
Starting on the old Nanaplaza Board and I have always had a good time anyway. My idea of a hot chick and a fun fuck differs from yours and I'm sure there is something for everybody.
Now I must say that there is quality pussy in an FKK. I had a great time in The FKK near Bad Hamburg outside Frankfurt, not so much in one near the French Border. But hey, pussy is pussy. And to me, after a long day of doing everyday stuff like shopping and such like, a quick stop at the BJ bar before a cocktail by myself on my balcony and an early bedtime is priceless! I don't pay them for sex I pay them to leave.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2183322]Being not too familiar with FKKs, I'm keenly interested in such a comparison and hearing exactly what the differences are. And I can't be the only guy here with the same interest.[/QUOTE]Each country worldwide has a different format. Here are the ones I am familiar with with a few examples of where this is a good format. I can give recommended agencies and clubs if interested):
1 Escort incall outcall of course.
London, Montreal, Toronto, Tokyo.
2 Bar w girls. Pay bar fine.
Bangkok, Sao Paulo, Malaga.
3 Bar w girls. No bar fine.
Shanghai?
4 Gogo w girls. Pay bar-fine.
Moscow, Bangkok.
5 Parade of Girls. One at a time intro.
Barcelona?
6 Fishbowl.
Bangkok?
7 FKK / Terma.
Frankfurt, Rio.
Of these the FKK is rather unique, with a Terma being the next closest thing. Tho there is some variance, in an FKK there is a bar and restaurant area and a sauna and often gardens and a pool and Kino at the nicer ones like Oase and Sharks. The guys may not wear street clothes. You can choose a towel or a robe. The girls are generally fully nude. Onsite rooms 50€ a half hour for the basics and some upsell from there. It is not a one and done affair. Although the most I've ever had time for was a four shot evening, some guys stay all day and eat lunch and dinner there and stay to the wee hours. Jn this respect there is nothing else like it in the world.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2183216]I have 5 months left before I hit Bangkok for a 6 month trip. You guys are depressing me. Is there no hope for an old guy who just needs a quickie here and there. Maybe I'll get a condo near Lumpini LOL.[/QUOTE]I can't speak for wild and crazy (real) porn romps since they have never been my thing. But I am getting much better conventional sexual encounters in Bangkok now than I did 25 years ago in the early/mid 1990's. I'm talking about ordinary BBFS and BBBJ+CIM (often + Swallow) kind of sex. And most of that is with go-go girls, freelancers and dating site girls, about 20% of which are also straight up freelancers and the rest regular girls claiming to look for Mr. Right.
Then again, that era was a particularly bad one for mongering in Thailand because it was the height of the HIV/Condom Condom Condom hysteria. Not so much anymore. And I can't compare my experiences today with those of 10 years ago because I didn't monger here 10 years ago.
But these days I am getting tons more of what I am into from younger and better looking girls than I got back then. I credit much of that improvement to two factors; the aforementioned tempering of the HIV/Condom hysteria (not missing entirely, just less so) and the advent of smartphones with the Line app and other means of inspiring girls to have sex with me, and good sex, in ways other than what usually transpires in a bar or shop.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2183421]Each country worldwide has a different format. Here are the ones I am familiar with with a few examples of where this is a good format. I can give recommended agencies and clubs if interested.[/QUOTE]ISG mangled my post a bit. The ones with question marks were supposed to be ones of known quantity buy asking about others.
Shanghai has great bar takeout at Manhattan Bar.
Barcelona has great girl parade at Felinas.
Bangkok has great fishbowl at Poseidon.
The question mark was for if others know of countries where this format is used to great success?
I really miss Annies massage as it was my first massage in Bangkok like 20+ years ago but also because it was on the few day massage places that display girls in Bikinis so you can see exactly what you are getting.
Does anyone care to share any current medium sized massage places that display girls in Bikinis rather than the standard dress which can hide a lot baby damage etc. ?
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2183421]Each country worldwide has a different format. Here are the ones I am familiar with with a few examples of where this is a good format. I can give recommended agencies and clubs if interested):
1 Escort incall outcall of course.
London, Montreal, Toronto, Tokyo.
2 Bar w girls. Pay bar fine.
Bangkok, Sao Paulo, Malaga.
3 Bar w girls. No bar fine.
Shanghai?
4 Gogo w girls. Pay bar-fine.
Moscow, Bangkok.
5 Parade of Girls. One at a time intro.
Barcelona?
6 Fishbowl.
Bangkok?
7 FKK / Terma.
Frankfurt, Rio.
Of these the FKK is rather unique, with a Terma being the next closest thing. Tho there is some variance, in an FKK there is a bar and restaurant area and a sauna and often gardens and a pool and Kino at the nicer ones like Oase and Sharks. The guys may not wear street clothes. You can choose a towel or a robe. The girls are generally fully nude. Onsite rooms 50 a half hour for the basics and some upsell from there. It is not a one and done affair. Although the most I've ever had time for was a four shot evening, some guys stay all day and eat lunch and dinner there and stay to the wee hours. Jn this respect there is nothing else like it in the world.[/QUOTE]You forgot the Macau's sauna experience.
Close the a German FKK but to a far higher level of services of any kind. More pricey of course.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2183421]Each country worldwide has a different format. Here are the ones I am familiar with with a few examples of where this is a good format. I can give recommended agencies and clubs if interested):
Tho there is some variance, in an FKK there is a bar and restaurant area and a sauna and often gardens and a pool and Kino at the nicer ones like Oase and Sharks. some guys stay all day and eat lunch and dinner there and stay to the wee hours. Jn this respect there is nothing else like it in the world.[/QUOTE]I was at Sharks recently and I was told that the Kino has been closed.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2183322]Being not too familiar with FKKs, I'm keenly interested in such a comparison and hearing exactly what the differences are. And I can't be the only guy here with the same interest.[/QUOTE]You have to take into account the cost of travel. From where I live it is 110 minutes easy flight time to Berlin. If I want to go to Bangkok I have a 1 hour flight and then a long haul flight. Another factor is whether or not you can tolerate the heat, humidity and traffic pollution of Bangkok.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2183997]You forgot the Macau's sauna experience.
Close the a German FKK but to a far higher level of services of any kind. More pricey of course.[/QUOTE]Ah yes Macau. On my bucket list. Been reading reports that its gone downhill some but I guess same as FKK in Germany. Not as good as it used to be. Still best thing on the planet!
On my every six months SE Asia sweat and sex extravaganza. Pretty good so far although, at least in BKK, it has just involved blowjobs, numerous blowjobs at numerous establishments. BBBJ is pretty much my favorite thing in life since I am still too chicken to try for BBFS and despite a whole cabinet full of half empty condom boxes I still haven't found one that doesn't wilt the willy about thirty seconds in the CFS. Frankly, even BBBJ's are no guarantee of success as after a half century of serious self abuse it's rapidly approaching the stage that only a hydraulically closing industrial robotic device can provide enough stimulation, so generally a hand assist is required, too often one of mine doing the job. For this I traveled thirty hours? On the brighter side, after half a century I still haven't gone blind. Robotics are really moving along, though. I'll just have to make sure the one I buy's controls are clearly marked "Squeeze" and "Cut", maybe with a padlock lockout on the latter.
But back to the present. I've been supporting Som's, Kasalong, and The Place Around The Corner Whose Name We Cannot Say (I wonder if that restriction will go away now that the ISG's credit card server is subject to change). Kasalong and Around the Corner have been unremarkable, and not really in a bad way, just really nothing to remark on. Veni, Vidi, Veni. Som's is a bit of a problem for me right now: There is a really chubby provider there, I believe about the most full-bodied provider I've ever had, who remembers me from previous visits. Yes, I could dodge her, though I generally take first in line and, let's face it, it is going to be her. A lot. No, my problem is that she provides the best blow job I've found in years. It is a bit of a dilemma: Normally one likes a certain amount of visual stimulation, and an average looker, when seen from the typical blowjob POV, can be imagined to be at least moderately hot. Somebody this large is REALLY a problem, and I generally have a pretty good imagination.
My other haunts have been the go-gos, primarily Soi Cowboy but with a couple of ventures to Nana.
I found two bars that I had somehow not visited. One, Crazy Cat, was a name change from one I hit long ago, maybe the Cocktail Club?. The other, though, was inexcusable: Somehow I had never realized the Lighthouse had dancers: I've always seen a bunch of aging farangs outside and assumed it was a standard outside bar. Holy crap, they had good music! If you are not a senior citizen YMMV. Dancers are okay, too, certainly not unfortunate to look at while rocking out to Deep Purple.
But it was bait and switch: I returned two days later and yes, they were still playing old music, but it was all easy listening. I felt like I was trapped in an elevator. More elevators should have chicks in bikinis.
Crazy Cat had some very cute girls but at least in the short time I was there they all seemed to be coyotes, though as discussed here that can be a vague term at times. Standard dancing but coyote outfits and, I believe, stockings. I would have gawked longer but out of nowhere a fifty nine year old woman sat down with me. All that eye candy and this is what I got? She didn't seem to be leaving in the near future so I tried to leave, only to be almost run over by a train of coyotes coming in for their set. I opened the curtain and POW! A set of tits in the face! I always sort of feared I'd get run over in Bangkok, but it turned out that it was not bad at all.
But things turned to the worse: I got physically assaulted a few nights ago. Okay, it wasn't a really bad assault, but I can embellish the crap out of anything, so here goes. I was walking down Soi Cowboy towards Asoke, trying to get back to my air conditioned apartment before heat exhaustion set in. The coyotes can be quite obnoxious, but I walk at about four miles an hour and just ignore them. They look elsewhere for targets, probably because I obviously have some place to be. I say "obviously" because of course everyone else is walking half or a quarter as fast, at best. I think a lot of guys discover their feminine side when walking there, dawdling along like a woman shopping versus the targeted male shopping technique. I do not, and like an Everclear drinker know where I'm going and am in a hurry to get there. This of course creates a real problem as I have to thread my way through the oozing punters and tourists plus the stationary bikini babes. One thing I've found is that since the bikinis are trying to corral people walking down the middle of the alley, they extend their lines way out from their bars, leaving a surprisingly open area behind their butts. By "open" I mean a lane just wider then I am, only occasionally punctuated by a bikini or some ass-wipe staring at a mobile phone.
I came across one of these bypass lanes somewhere around KISS and was off to the races. The bars were close on my right, the bikini butts were just inches away on my left, and the slot was closing. Tight slots are a good thing some times; this was not one of them. I was passing behind one bikini butt that was really trying to score some tourists, I believe, and was no doubt speaking at great lengths about how her bar and various parts of her body were far superior to the others' bars and body parts. She had a little plastic fan thing. It looked like a ping-pong paddle. And to make sure the tourists saw what an awesome bar she worked at she vigorously swung it back to point. And whacked its edge right into my face, particularly my nose, a nose that has really seen enough trauma already this year, what with its tip now being a former part of my forehead. It was quite a collision, possibly knocking the fan out of her hand. I didn't break stride and just walked on, later discreetly wiping my face to see if there was blood. There wasn't.
A missed opportunity: I actually thought about it at the time but was too pissed (I'm pretty much always a bit pissed walking here) to do it, but I should have stopped, grabbed my nose, still slightly asymmetrically swollen from the surgery, and turned to her, "My God! Look what you've done! Look at my nose! I'm horribly disfigured!
All that nose surgery money wasted: Might have gotten a free Coke or blow job.
I returned to Som's last night having decided that going BIG was probably the best bet. I don't know if it was since she was not around. Maybe others have decided to go big as well and she is therefore not, as I had assumed, always close to the first in the queue. I ended up with another largish provider, but large in a different way. I can best describe it as "manly", but I do NOT think she was a ladyboy, just fairly tall and broad.
It came within a couple of minutes of being a disaster. Her technique, um, sucked, and not in the good way. Just bobbing and stroking with almost no attention to the boys down below. But what was worse was the tissue and towel issue. About every three minutes she would grab a new tissue to wipe her mouth with, and use a cool wet towel to again wipe down my privates. About halfway through she even got up to rinse and re-wet the towel at the sink.
Then there was the noise issue, or really almost non-issue. I was in the middle room on the first or second floor (depending on where you're from) and was sort of the meat in a fellatio sandwich. Action was hot and heavy in both the buns, one that may have been having FS. There was noise, but really not a lot compared to some previous visits when perhaps the Bavarian yodeling team was in town. No, both punters were awesome, keeping it down, barely whispering. Not so the providers who apparently don't come with a volume control. Still nothing new. But my provider blamed the frequent lowering of the flag on the noise, not apparently noticing that it really just occurred when she was doing the tissue-towel thing. Afterwards she kept talking about it, "Yes, whenever they noise, it go down!
With the exception of one or two yodeling competitions I've never really been angry during a blow job before. By the end I was actually swearing under my breath each time I heard the tissues being drawn. Great! Now we have to start from scratch again! To add to that there was the fear of going into overtime. A few years ago I got charged double for going over thirty minutes and I've become a bit of a watch watcher there now. I had to assist to beat the buzzer.
Sorry I didn't get her name, but if some borderline manly provider there grabs you you can either run or, like some of us have had to do with mobile phones, take away her tissues and towel.
The following was enabled by information found on this forum, so I suppose, in a way, it's giving back. If only I could give as good as I got.
So, my not admittedly but actually bi-curious 21-year old non-Thai in tow (and yes I brought my own caviar to the oyster bar that is Bangkok, but bear with me), we proceed to Honey Bee Massage on Soi 22 and ask for the 120 minute couple's massage. The providers are both listed on the website, and came recommended by the sizable desk mommy as specializing in women. They gave my 21-year old such a seeing-to that after the soapy and rubdown session, and watching me go to town on them, both her first lesbian and first group experience, my 21-year old is requesting repeats and demanding nearly nightly gogo visits. This is ALL thanks to the patient, gentle, understanding, and highly competent session we received at Honey Bee. With a little hinting from me at the beginning, and a little hand-holding from me throughout, our two providers were expert guides in getting her into the mood and putting her jealousy and shyness to rest. Ya damn right I over tipped at 1 k baht to each provider plus 5,000 for the experience, but I didn't make clear at all I would do that, nor did I "upsell" what the experience would be with my girl. She knew going in it mighty be slightly skeevy, but wanted to try it to make me happy, and now SHE'S hooked.
So, +1 for the couples massage at Honey Bee. If you have someone in your life who's on the fence, you could do a lot worse than two hours in a hot tub with two of their technicians to make her firmly ravenous for threesomes.
[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2183830]I really miss Annies massage as it was my first massage in Bangkok like 20+ years ago but also because it was on the few day massage places that display girls in Bikinis so you can see exactly what you are getting.
Does anyone care to share any current medium sized massage places that display girls in Bikinis rather than the standard dress which can hide a lot baby damage etc. ?[/QUOTE]That is actually a very good question (for me too). I have always been a fan of places where girls wear as little as possible. So I too would like to know, if they exist, which places have reasonable girls wearing the least amount in the line up, and leaving the least amount to my imagination, preferably with see though bras (like in Shark bar). Obviously I know which bars, but which MPs have the girls in very brief underwear these days.
I like fabulous bodies, preferably not silly-cones, so the least coverage of that, the better I can choose. Obviously I could always see the faces, but that was not quite enough.
I am guessing that Chrome bar is one place, since it has taken over some of the Annies girls. Any others? To honest my memory is so dim, I can't even remember what Snow White and Mango girls are wearing these days. Probably means it was okay With it otherwise I would have remembered and complained. Obviously I hate the overdressed girls in Addict.
[QUOTE=Oosik;2185015]It came within a couple of minutes of being a disaster. Her technique, um, sucked, and not in the good way. Just bobbing and stroking with almost no attention to the boys down below. But what was worse was the tissue and towel issue. About every three minutes she would grab a new tissue to wipe her mouth with, and use a cool wet towel to again wipe down my privates. About halfway through she even got up to rinse and re-wet the towel at the sink.
[/QUOTE]Nice report, perhaps if you asked her to stop with the tissue and towel bit or tell her how you liked it, things could have been better for you as her behavior as you described is way over the top for a BJ girl.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2183322]Being not too familiar with FKKs, I'm keenly interested in such a comparison and hearing exactly what the differences are. And I can't be the only guy here with the same interest.[/QUOTE]See the German FKK threads. However a quick summary (and I doubt anyone will try to do better). This is not really a comparison since you guys know Thailand already.
FKK (Frei Korper Kultur - Meaning nudity is not taboo). Guys can wear robes or towels but shorts underneath is frowned upon. FKK is a club to stay at for many hours, with an entry fee covering towels, food buffet (eat multiple times), drinks (alcoholic drinks extra), sauna etc. , see naked or nearly naked girls (depending on the club) hanging around the lounge waiting for customers, or outside in the garden, from several countries (up to 100 girls in a large club) but 80% Romanian, approach girls and do a deal, for fairly standardised pricing starting from 30 minutes and up. Each 30 minutes costs the same (unless can negotiate a special deal with girl for several hours). Girls also approach men and either side can knock the other back, for any reason or no reason. Sex on the premises. Prices are very good for short duration assignations starting at 50 Euros for 30 minutes. CIM and anal have big surcharges, so not the place for guys who want anal and value for money. Pay girl at the end of each session, but no option to withdraw payment if she was a lousy fuck.
The most unreliable or risky girls in the club are probably the German girls (least likely to be fun), but with exceptions. Black girls, latinas and Asian girls are probably the most reliable, but many men are prejudiced and don't want those types.
You will really only fully understand after try out. Suggest Shark in Darmstadt as a good place to start. Naked girls, tits, ass, and pussy on display. FKK can easily cure guys almost completely from mongering in their home country. Many Americans travel to Germany regularly for their "holidays". LOL It is a lot closer than Thailand.
If you want to spend a long duration with a girl, like 90 minutes up to several hours, you will be much better off in Thailand. If you like several 30 min or less quickies, FKK will be a good price. Guys have been known to drop as much as 1000 Euros in a day, if have no control of spending. Others could spend 100 Euros (3500 Baht I guess), being 50 for entry and 50 for one girl for 30 minutes. Normal expenditure is more than 100. So expect to spend more than in Thailand unless you are a wild spender in Thailand. BBFS is not generally available except at special small clubs known as AO clubs which are cheaper, but girls are not that good looking.
Europeans are not very shy about nudity. Usually it is Americans or muslims that are scared that someone will see their dick in the change room or showers, whether men or female staff. Normal guys don't care who sees them showering naked. Swimming in the pool is supposed to be naked only.
Now you pretty much know what a real FKK is like. I must have covered almost everything (from my perspective). Naked girls, food, drink, sex available. Plenty of girls have stunning bodies. Plenty have crappy bodies. It is a mix. Gazelles and buffaloes. Very few stunning faces, but quite a few girls better looking than average. Ignore the ugly girls. Easy! Obviously if girls were stunners head to toe, most could be working as models or some other better employ. The girls should be significantly better looking (on average) than the non-Thai hookers working in Bangkok based on what I have seen. So I have little reason to look for non-Thais in Bangkok unless they just happen to be stunning (hardly ever happens).
I have probably covered everything that matters. Wait no. Hours are typically open 11AM to close at 4am. Guys keep their belongings in lockers with key. Big locker for your bag and clothes. Small locker for your money. Clubs have wellness facilities: Sauna, Pool, massage, etc. Most clubs have a web site explaining facilities, entry fee (which does not include a girl), location, hours, etc.
Some other clubs in Germany are known as Sauna Clubs where girls are probably not fully naked.
Final point. If you happen to be in Germany, and are deprived of sex, the red light zones are a bit iffy. FKK visit would be a much better idea. My first visit to one was accidental, in that I did not know what I was going to exactly. Thinking it was a striptease or tabletop or whatever. No no, it is vastly better than those bullshit clubs. FKK cured me of a lot of other bullshit options. I first looked at the ISG on suggestion from a guy sitting next to me in an FKK club in 2005. Years before that (little web use), I hunted for Soapies in Thailand using the Thai telephone book, commercial pages. LOL
So my intro to the ISG had nothing to do with Thailand. I had many years of personal Thai experience without much guidance from anywhere before I joined ISG. Before ISG, I had never heard of Tulip, Annies, etc. and did not use Oilies at all. So ISG gave a broader mongering perspective. Without trying FKK, I might never have joined the ISG at all. Maybe I would have been better off. LOL Maybe I would still have never visited Annies or Tulip. Some of my regular girls, I might never have met.
[QUOTE=Oosik;2184636]I was passing behind one bikini butt that was really trying to score some tourists, I believe, and was no doubt speaking at great lengths about how her bar and various parts of her body were far superior to the others' bars and body parts. She had a little plastic fan thing. It looked like a ping-pong paddle. And to make sure the tourists saw what an awesome bar she worked at she vigorously swung it back to point. And whacked its edge right into my face, particularly my nose, a nose that has really seen enough trauma already this year, what with its tip now being a former part of my forehead. It was quite a collision, possibly knocking the fan out of her hand.[/QUOTE]That's just what they do. Same thing happened to me when I walked past Afterskool on my first and only visit to Soi Cowboy. One of the hot girls out front whacked me on the head with one of those things when I passed her by the second time. They just do that. I was wandering around confused about where I needed to go, because I'd read there was a place on Soi Cowboy where the girls would give you a cheap HJ, which I later learned was in fact, Afterskool. However, the girls out front were too good looking for what I expected must be a low-rent dive. Again, this is my second night in Asia and I'm still getting my bearings on the surroundings. So yes, I wouldn't not have recognized a HJ bar if it hit me on the hit. Literally. No problem though, as I walked back down Suk, ran into a curvy WG who eagerly accepted 1000 without haggling and provided some excellent service back in my room. And that beat any handjob I ever had.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2185112]See the German FKK threads. However a quick summary (and I doubt anyone will try to do better). This is not really a comparison since you guys know Thailand already.
FKK (Frei Korper Kultur - Meaning nudity is not taboo). Guys can wear robes or towels but shorts underneath is frowned upon. FKK is a club to stay at for many hours, with an entry fee covering towels, food buffet (eat multiple times), drinks (alcoholic drinks extra), sauna etc. , see naked or nearly naked girls (depending on the club) hanging around the lounge waiting for customers, or outside in the garden, from several countries (up to 100 girls in a large club) but 80% Romanian, approach girls and do a deal, for fairly standardised pricing starting from 30 minutes and up. Each 30 minutes costs the same (unless can negotiate a special deal with girl for several hours). Girls also approach men and either side can knock the other back, for any reason or no reason. Sex on the premises. Prices are very good for short duration assignations starting at 50 Euros for 30 minutes. CIM and anal have big surcharges, so not the place for guys who want anal and value for money. Pay girl at the end of each session, but no option to withdraw payment if she was a lousy fuck.
The most unreliable or risky girls in the club are probably the German girls (least likely to be fun), but with exceptions. Black girls, latinas and Asian girls are probably the most reliable, but many men are prejudiced and don't want those types.
You will really only fully understand after try out. Suggest Shark in Darmstadt as a good place to start. Naked girls, tits, ass, and pussy on display. FKK can easily cure guys almost completely from mongering in their home country. Many Americans travel to Germany regularly for their "holidays". LOL It is a lot closer than Thailand.
If you want to spend a long duration with a girl, like 90 minutes up to several hours, you will be much better off in Thailand. If you like several 30 min or less quickies, FKK will be a good price. Guys have been known to drop as much as 1000 Euros in a day, if have no control of spending. Others could spend 100 Euros (3500 Baht I guess), being 50 for entry and 50 for one girl for 30 minutes. Normal expenditure is more than 100. So expect to spend more than in Thailand unless you are a wild spender in Thailand. BBFS is not generally available except at special small clubs known as AO clubs which are cheaper, but girls are not that good looking.
Europeans are not very shy about nudity. Usually it is Americans or muslims that are scared that someone will see their dick in the change room or showers, whether men or female staff. Normal guys don't care who sees them showering naked. Swimming in the pool is supposed to be naked only.
Now you pretty much know what a real FKK is like. I must have covered almost everything (from my perspective). Naked girls, food, drink, sex available. Plenty of girls have stunning bodies. Plenty have crappy bodies. It is a mix. Gazelles and buffaloes. Very few stunning faces, but quite a few girls better looking than average. Ignore the ugly girls. Easy! Obviously if girls were stunners head to toe, most could be working as models or some other better employ. The girls should be significantly better looking (on average) than the non-Thai hookers working in Bangkok based on what I have seen. So I have little reason to look for non-Thais in Bangkok unless they just happen to be stunning (hardly ever happens).
I have probably covered everything that matters. Wait no. Hours are typically open 11AM to close at 4am. Guys keep their belongings in lockers with key. Big locker for your bag and clothes. Small locker for your money. Clubs have wellness facilities: Sauna, Pool, massage, etc. Most clubs have a web site explaining facilities, entry fee (which does not include a girl), location, hours, etc.
Some other clubs in Germany are known as Sauna Clubs where girls are probably not fully naked.
Final point. If you happen to be in Germany, and are deprived of sex, the red light zones are a bit iffy. FKK visit would be a much better idea. My first visit to one was accidental, in that I did not know what I was going to exactly. Thinking it was a striptease or tabletop or whatever. No no, it is vastly better than those bullshit clubs. FKK cured me of a lot of other bullshit options. I first looked at the ISG on suggestion from a guy sitting next to me in an FKK club in 2005. Years before that (little web use), I hunted for Soapies in Thailand using the Thai telephone book, commercial pages. LOL
So my intro to the ISG had nothing to do with Thailand. I had many years of personal Thai experience without much guidance from anywhere before I joined ISG. Before ISG, I had never heard of Tulip, Annies, etc. and did not use Oilies at all. So ISG gave a broader mongering perspective. Without trying FKK, I might never have joined the ISG at all. Maybe I would have been better off. LOL Maybe I would still have never visited Annies or Tulip. Some of my regular girls, I might never have met.[/QUOTE]
Great summary of FKK. I just love the European carefree attitude towards nudity and sex. Yes, Americans are just too uptight towards them. It is common to find guy and girl having sex in the open in FKK, in the Kino or cinema room, in the outdoor tent by the garden and pool. Passerbys would not even bat an eye. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. FKK is a great place to try out girls in quantity. There was a time when I had sex with seven girls in one day on the same facility and came four times which is personal record. German girls tend to be a bit distant and some of them can be pretty friendly as you get to know them. Over time I have met two that I have managed to keep regular contact via WhatsApp. Over time, I learn to speak German through them, and would contact them for good time whenever I go to Germany.
Now back to topics on the Bangkok scene which I don't have anything to contribute at this time, sorry.
This month will mark my third visit to BKK within a year. I generally stay for a couple of weeks before work calls me back home. I'm saddened to know about Annies closing down. That was the only fishbowl I knew that was close to Nana and the naughty sois. What's the new place for a good nuru / soapie? Chrome? Also, I wanted to check out Eden for a threesome with girl on girl action. Is that recommended? Or do you guys have other places I can check out?
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2185119]One of the hot girls out front whacked me on the head with one of those things when I passed her by the second time. They just do that.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure this was accidental: In the corner of my eye, just before it was blacked out by a plastic fan, I saw her chatting up the tourists, then with her still facing her prey the fan came whistling back to point to the door. It could have been on purpose but if so she did a good job of it.
[QUOTE=RunMann;2185103]Nice report, perhaps if you asked her to stop with the tissue and towel bit[/QUOTE]Yeah, I should have, but I was trying subtlety. A deep sigh, a bit of muttering. The problem was that she obviously took that, like the lowering of the flag, as pertaining to the (not so) noisy neighbors.
[QUOTE=BadDuck;2185445]This month will mark my third visit to BKK within a year. I generally stay for a couple of weeks before work calls me back home. I'm saddened to know about Annies closing down. That was the only fishbowl I knew that was close to Nana and the naughty sois. What's the new place for a good nuru / soapie? Chrome? Also, I wanted to check out Eden for a threesome with girl on girl action. Is that recommended? Or do you guys have other places I can check out?[/QUOTE]I too am sad that Annies is no more. I just left BKK and intended to visit Chrome but although I walked past I didn't enter. There were a few decent ladies dressed in black uniform outside but I just got a call before entering the street so had to run before I could hit it.
I have been a long time visitor to the Eden club which is in the same street as Chrome, you see it half way down on the right while Chrome is all the way down on the left. I always drop by and have a beer, check out the talent and then decide to go up or not. Over the last few years I have tended to find the talent is average but it is worth dropping by and checking it out. You can have 1 beer max at the bar before you can decide to stay or go. The last few times I left but the beer was nice THB 200.
If you do find a new Annies please share here. I personally liked the fishbowl with bikini clad ladies where most soapies / oilies the ladies tend to wear dresses. I picked a lady from addict last trip who looked great in a dress but when we hit the room there was serious baby damage and a big dragon tat on her back, I don't like both. I couldn't cum on top of her so got her to roll over and jerked off on the dragon. It gave me a bit of a chuckle to think back on the fact that I actually jerked off on a dragon.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2185096]That is actually a very good question (for me too). I have always been a fan of places where girls wear as little as possible. So I too would like to know, if they exist, which places have reasonable girls wearing the least amount in the line up, and leaving the least amount to my imagination, preferably with see though bras (like in Shark bar). Obviously I know which bars, but which MPs have the girls in very brief underwear these days.
I like fabulous bodies, preferably not silly-cones, so the least coverage of that, the better I can choose. Obviously I could always see the faces, but that was not quite enough.
I am guessing that Chrome bar is one place, since it has taken over some of the Annies girls. Any others? To honest my memory is so dim, I can't even remember what Snow White and Mango girls are wearing these days. Probably means it was okay With it otherwise I would have remembered and complained. Obviously I hate the overdressed girls in Addict.[/QUOTE]I just read this after my last post. Yeah we really need a list of Soapies or Oilies where they are in bikinis. I was a bit gun shy after hitting a girl at Addict which covered a lot. Went to Poseidon afterwards and found average girls all dressed up hiding a lot. Same at Emmanulle. Past at both places.
I am interested in booking May for my next visit in Bangkok. She is an independent and has her personal website: [URL]http://www.bangkokescort.org/[/URL].
Has anybody already met her? I cannot find any recent review about her.
Too sad she does not show her face on the picture, she really looks cute.
Her review on her site are very nice but, who knows, she may have written them herself.
[QUOTE=Oosik;2185015]I returned to Som's last night having decided that going BIG was probably the best bet. I don't know if it was since she was not around. Maybe others have decided to go big as well and she is therefore not, as I had assumed, always close to the first in the queue. I ended up with another largish provider, but large in a different way. I can best describe it as "manly", but I do NOT think she was a ladyboy, just fairly tall and broad.
It came within a couple of minutes of being a disaster. Her technique, um, sucked, and not in the good way. Just bobbing and stroking with almost no attention to the boys down below. But what was worse was the tissue and towel issue. About every three minutes she would grab a new tissue to wipe her mouth with, and use a cool wet towel to again wipe down my privates. About halfway through she even got up to rinse and re-wet the towel at the sink.
Then there was the noise issue, or really almost non-issue. I was in the middle room on the first or second floor (depending on where you're from) and was sort of the meat in a fellatio sandwich. Action was hot and heavy in both the buns, one that may have been having FS. There was noise, but really not a lot compared to some previous visits when perhaps the Bavarian yodeling team was in town. No, both punters were awesome, keeping it down, barely whispering. Not so the providers who apparently don't come with a volume control. Still nothing new. But my provider blamed the frequent lowering of the flag on the noise, not apparently noticing that it really just occurred when she was doing the tissue-towel thing. Afterwards she kept talking about it, "Yes, whenever they noise, it go down!
With the exception of one or two yodeling competitions I've never really been angry during a blow job before. By the end I was actually swearing under my breath each time I heard the tissues being drawn. Great! Now we have to start from scratch again! To add to that there was the fear of going into overtime. A few years ago I got charged double for going over thirty minutes and I've become a bit of a watch watcher there now. I had to assist to beat the buzzer.
Sorry I didn't get her name, but if some borderline manly provider there grabs you you can either run or, like some of us have had to do with mobile phones, take away her tissues and towel.[/QUOTE]I passed your experience along to one of the ladies that works at Som's and she immediately knew who it was because of the tissues. As business has been slow lately and there are a lot of ladies working they were concerned about the negative review but I doubt anything will be done about it. Just avoid the tall one with broad shoulders.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2176565]... many Coyotes wear tights / stockings, but some non Coyotes do also. Covers up leg marks and scars. Topless girls or see through top girls are not Coyotes. One girl wearing G string (no tights) in Dollhouse was still described as Coyote (tits were well hidden) so what is worn below the waist seems to be a not a reliable indicator. We can say tights is a strong indicator of a likely Coyote, confirmed if the tits are well wrapped up. Tights does not mean the girl is not available for sex, but could be an indicator.
[/QUOTE]Hello there,
Have not posted here in a while. Been to Thailand 3 times before.
I thought the bra thing, annoying as it is, they have some uniform where it might be a one size for all so many girls with small tits need the padding under that to be standing on the street, plus they seem to use their real bra to keep their money and drink tickets.
About the tights / pantyhose, it is really annoying them having tights, some shorts or bikini bottoms plus panties, wtf!?
As you mentioned might be to cover scars and marks, what I don't understand is why is it only in Soi Cowboy that has girl wearing tights. Otherwise I have been only in Nana, and Phuket on go-gos and I have not really seen girls wearing tights, so what gives? Is it really those wearing who are not available for take out?
I might go down to Pattaya on the slow season, let's see if I got any stuff to report.
[QUOTE=Soroche;2185889] Just avoid the tall one with broad shoulders.[/QUOTE]That's my standard rule in LOS.
Hey everyone,
Due to arrival flight times for my upcoming visit, I won't be able to leave the hotel before 1 am after checking in. Maybe even closer to 1:30 am. Luckily I'm staying close to Cowboy.
Can I ask what you top spots to hit right away would be at this hour? From memory Soi Cowboy bars will be open until 2 am, but pickings will be slim at that time.
If Nana also closes at 2 I doubt there would be time to get down to any bars in the ent plaza, at least not without a big rush to get there and probably only 15 min left on the clock once inside.
I used to hit clubs after-hours but lately have started early / finished early. Would love to get suggestions of how best to stay in the game in BKK when making a late start.
Thanks guys.
I don't know why, but I am finding myself to be targeted more for scams and hearing visiting tourists who were targeted but totally clueless. I suspect it is my generation but it is a real downer. Knock on wood, no damages or big loses. You know many go to BKK for cosmetic surgery? You could get the nose fixed. LOL
[QUOTE=Oosik;2184636]And whacked its edge right into my face, particularly my nose, a nose that has really seen enough trauma already this year, what with its tip now being a former part of my forehead. It was quite a collision, possibly knocking the fan out of her hand. I didn't break stride and just walked on, later discreetly wiping my face to see if there was blood. There wasn't.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wimble;2186204]You know many go to BKK for cosmetic surgery? You could get the nose fixed. LOL[/QUOTE]That's it! She was a real entrepreneur! Getting lady drinks at the bar and a kickback on referrals to The Asoke House of Cheap Plastic Fans and Rhinoplasty (Motto: No matter how bad the nose ends up looking, there is always a happy ending!
Hi guys,
I am coming to Thailand for only 1 night as Transit, I will stay for only 1 night, 18 hours to be exact.
This is my 1st time but it will not be the last for sure, my question is where to go, I feel lost as I knew it is the capital of sex in Asia.
Do you recommend a place for stay, message and sex of course also is fair in prices, I just need to know where to go and spend good money for a night of pleasure and not to waste time looking and searching.
Thanks in advance, I will share my experience of course so wish me luck.
Happy hunting every one.
Regards,
Falhooos.
[QUOTE=Falhooos;2186426]Hi guys,
I am coming to Thailand for only 1 night as Transit, I will stay for only 1 night, 18 hours to be exact.
This is my 1st time but it will not be the last for sure, my question is where to go, I feel lost as I knew it is the capital of sex in Asia.
Do you recommend a place for stay, message and sex of course also is fair in prices, I just need to know where to go and spend good money for a night of pleasure and not to waste time looking and searching.
Thanks in advance, I will share my experience of course so wish me luck.
Happy hunting every one.
Regards,
Falhooos.[/QUOTE]I have many time a stopover in Bangkok. Last time I arrived in the airport 05.00 pm. I was in a hotel on Soi 8, Sukhumvit Road, at 07.30 pm. I got a little to eat and go to Bamboo Bkk. There I ask for a girl for the night. 5 girls was ready to go with me. I choice a very nice one. 33 years old but a really good body and a nice face. We had a great night. Did not sleep much. Up 6 am and take a taxi to airport. Take off 9 am. A great stop over.
If you want to try different thing you can do that. Go to a blowjob bar. Take a massage. Take a FL. Everything is up to you.
[QUOTE=Falhooos;2186426]Hi guys,
I am coming to Thailand for only 1 night as Transit, I will stay for only 1 night, 18 hours to be exact.
This is my 1st time but it will not be the last for sure, my question is where to go, I feel lost as I knew it is the capital of sex in Asia.
Do you recommend a place for stay, message and sex of course also is fair in prices, I just need to know where to go and spend good money for a night of pleasure and not to waste time looking and searching.
Thanks in advance, I will share my experience of course so wish me luck.
Happy hunting every one.
Regards,
Falhooos.[/QUOTE]What time do you land?
Best is to book an hotel in lower sukhumvit.
Depending on your budget plenty of choices from soi 4 to 10/11.
Don't book girls in advance, you should have time enough to select.
To make your life easy leave the main luggage at the airport. They have a "left baggage" place in both arrival (close to the escalators) and to door 7 at departure (go past th e check in's, 100 baht a day per piece).
Take a taxi, offer to pay highway toll, a mere 300 baht, more or less, will take to town. There is a 50 overcharge for airport departures.
Enjoy.
Thanks. I'm landing at 11:40 pm. Pretty familiar with getting to Sukhumvit from airport, and sorry I should've probably phrased my question better. What I'm really interested in is the best post-2 am options these days for quality?
I don't Generally pick up SW, but freelancers at a club is fine.
I assume both cowboy and nana go gos are going to close up at 2 am.
I know I can get in well before 2 am (probably just after 1) but would like a good plan for after.
I see spasso closes 2 am also (I think). I'm staying near terminal 21.
Any recommendations appreciated.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2186773]What time do you land?
Best is to book an hotel in lower sukhumvit.
Depending on your budget plenty of choices from soi 4 to 10/11.
Don't book girls in advance, you should have time enough to select.
To make your life easy leave the main luggage at the airport. They have a "left baggage" place in both arrival (close to the escalators) and to door 7 at departure (go past th e check in's, 100 baht a day per piece).
Take a taxi, offer to pay highway toll, a mere 300 baht, more or less, will take to town. There is a 50 overcharge for airport departures.
Enjoy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AskeAske;2186672]I have many time a stopover in Bangkok. Last time I arrived in the airport 05.00 pm. I was in a hotel on Soi 8, Sukhumvit Road, at 07.30 pm. I got a little to eat and go to Bamboo Bkk. There I ask for a girl for the night. 5 girls was ready to go with me. I choice a very nice one. 33 years old but a really good body and a nice face. We had a great night. Did not sleep much. Up 6 am and take a taxi to airport. Take off 9 am. A great stop over.
If you want to try different thing you can do that. Go to a blowjob bar. Take a massage. Take a FL. Everything is up to you.[/QUOTE]Thanks really, but what about the prices range?
Regards,
Falhooos.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2186773]What time do you land?
Best is to book an hotel in lower sukhumvit.
Depending on your budget plenty of choices from soi 4 to 10/11.
Don't book girls in advance, you should have time enough to select.
To make your life easy leave the main luggage at the airport. They have a "left baggage" place in both arrival (close to the escalators) and to door 7 at departure (go past th e check in's, 100 baht a day per piece).
Take a taxi, offer to pay highway toll, a mere 300 baht, more or less, will take to town. There is a 50 overcharge for airport departures.
Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Hi,
I am landing at 4 P. M and leaving at 10 A. M next morning, that's why I just don't want to waste time, but what about the prices range, I have no idea.
Regards,
Falhooos.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2186773]What time do you land?
Best is to book an hotel in lower sukhumvit.
Depending on your budget plenty of choices from soi 4 to 10/11.
Don't book girls in advance, you should have time enough to select.
To make your life easy leave the main luggage at the airport. They have a "left baggage" place in both arrival (close to the escalators) and to door 7 at departure (go past th e check in's, 100 baht a day per piece).
Take a taxi, offer to pay highway toll, a mere 300 baht, more or less, will take to town. There is a 50 overcharge for airport departures.
Enjoy.[/QUOTE]I will land around 4:30 P. M and leave next morning around 10 A. M, I am very curios about the price range for girls in these places for the full night.
Regards, Falhooos.
[QUOTE=Falhooos;2186881]Thanks really, but what about the prices range?
Regards,
Falhooos.[/QUOTE]Just keep reading page after page on this forum or use the search option. You will find the answers to your price question.
I'll give you a hint, it's cheaper than you think.
[QUOTE=Edenkid;2186144]Hey everyone,
Due to arrival flight times for my upcoming visit, I won't be able to leave the hotel before 1 am after checking in. Maybe even closer to 1:30 am. Luckily I'm staying close to Cowboy.
Can I ask what you top spots to hit right away would be at this hour? From memory Soi Cowboy bars will be open until 2 am, but pickings will be slim at that time.
If Nana also closes at 2 I doubt there would be time to get down to any bars in the ent plaza, at least not without a big rush to get there and probably only 15 min left on the clock once inside.
I used to hit clubs after-hours but lately have started early / finished early. Would love to get suggestions of how best to stay in the game in BKK when making a late start.
Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]Download WeChat, click on Discover, and then People nearby. Your phone will populate with all the ladies in the area. You can chat them up and most will be at a meeting place within an hour. There are LB's so you must ask. They will tell you if they are.
Good luck.
RL.
IMHO, you should try to check your luggage through if you can and get a boarding pass. Things are constantly changing so I am not sure if you can do that. Just use carry on and roller and buy what you need that is not allowed as carry on or mail ahead. I always watch out for construction and other things that will affect the traffic on the way back to the airport. I always keep the train as a backup plan as it is somewhat more reliable in terms of getting back to the airport. I only took it once because of protests. I tried staying out by the airport but girls don't like going that far.
[QUOTE=Falhooos;2186885]Hi,
I am landing at 4 P. M and leaving at 10 A. M next morning, that's why I just don't want to waste time, but what about the prices range, I have no idea.
Regards,
Falhooos.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Falhooos;2186896]I will land around 4:30 P. M and leave next morning around 10 A. M, I am very curios about the price range for girls in these places for the full night.
Regards, Falhooos.[/QUOTE]Look at 2/2500 baht for LT.
Don't start you hunt before 7/8 pm but don't wait too long as the best birds often are taken early.
[QUOTE=Edenkid;2186874]Thanks. I'm landing at 11:40 pm. Pretty familiar with getting to Sukhumvit from airport, and sorry I should've probably phrased my question better. What I'm really interested in is the best post-2 am options these days for quality?
I don't Generally pick up SW, but freelancers at a club is fine.
I assume both cowboy and nana go gos are going to close up at 2 am.
I know I can get in well before 2 am (probably just after 1) but would like a good plan for after.
I see spasso closes 2 am also (I think). I'm staying near terminal 21.
Any recommendations appreciated.[/QUOTE]Pick un girls leaving the clubs / bars when they close, try we chat option, but you will loose all the chemistry check.
Sorry, I just want to ask about the hotel policies if I want to have guests in my room, do they charge extra fees to allow of its OK, and what hotels you guys recommend in lower Sukhumvit regarding visitors visiting you in your room.
Thanks again, cheers, Falhooos.
Brothers of the Mongering Persuasion!
Some time ago (a few years?) I read about a barber shop in Bangkok where not only your hair was cut, but they provided a "happy ending" too. Try as I might I could not trace back that post. It may even have been on another forum and it was quite some time ago anyhow, so the info then provided is probably stale by now.
Anybody any idea where that place was? And if so, does it still exist? All info is welcome.
Wolvenvacht.
[QUOTE=Falhooos;2186881]Thanks really, but what about the prices range?
Regards,
Falhooos.[/QUOTE]5.000 baht for 12 hour, 9 pm to 9 am.
[QUOTE=Falhooos;2187085]Sorry, I just want to ask about the hotel policies if I want to have guests in my room, do they charge extra fees to allow of its OK, and what hotels you guys recommend in lower Sukhumvit regarding visitors visiting you in your room.
Thanks again, cheers, Falhooos.[/QUOTE]Practically all hotels in lower sukhumvit are GF.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2187103]Some time ago (a few years?) I read about a barber shop in Bangkok where not only your hair was cut, but they provided a "happy ending" too. [/QUOTE]I have to chuckle, Wolfie. This was common on Korea in the 80's. GIs like me would get a haircut every other day!
Was it Ann at friend's? Always wanted to go as well.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2187103]Brothers of the Mongering Persuasion!
Some time ago (a few years?) I read about a barber shop in Bangkok where not only your hair was cut, but they provided a "happy ending" too. Try as I might I could not trace back that post. It may even have been on another forum and it was quite some time ago anyhow, so the info then provided is probably stale by now.
Anybody any idea where that place was? And if so, does it still exist? All info is welcome.
Wolvenvacht.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Falhooos;2187085]Sorry, I just want to ask about the hotel policies if I want to have guests in my room, do they charge extra fees to allow of its OK, and what hotels you guys recommend in lower Sukhumvit regarding visitors visiting you in your room.
Thanks again, cheers, Falhooos.[/QUOTE]Go to [URL]bargirlfriendly.com[/URL]. They cover a bunch of cities. Presumably Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Wimble;2186986]IMHO, you should try to check your luggage through if you can and get a boarding pass. Things are constantly changing so I am not sure if you can do that. Just use carry on and roller and buy what you need that is not allowed as carry on or mail ahead. I always watch out for construction and other things that will affect the traffic on the way back to the airport. I always keep the train as a backup plan as it is somewhat more reliable in terms of getting back to the airport. I only took it once because of protests. I tried staying out by the airport but girls don't like going that far.[/QUOTE]Luggage can be stored at the Airpotel at Suvarnabhumi airport for 100 baht per piece per day. I believe there is an Airportel at DMK as well.
[URL]https://www.airportels.asia/services/luggage-storage-suvarnabhumi/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2187103]Brothers of the Mongering Persuasion!
Anybody any idea where that place was? And if so, does it still exist? All info is welcome.
Wolvenvacht.[/QUOTE]20+ years ago, there was a shop like you asked about that was on Sukhumvit in the neighborhood of Soi 13/15. No idea if it's still there.
SS.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2187103]Brothers of the Mongering Persuasion!
Some time ago (a few years?) I read about a barber shop in Bangkok where not only your hair was cut, but they provided a "happy ending" too. Try as I might I could not trace back that post. It may even have been on another forum and it was quite some time ago anyhow, so the info then provided is probably stale by now.
Anybody any idea where that place was? And if so, does it still exist? All info is welcome.
Wolvenvacht.[/QUOTE]Sorry, not very helpful for Bangkok, but I have seen a few of these in Saigon if you head over. Called Hot Tocs. The Saigon board has a lot of info.
[QUOTE=JamesDean2;2187411]Sorry, not very helpful for Bangkok, but I have seen a few of these in Saigon if you head over. Called Hot Tocs. The Saigon board has a lot of info.[/QUOTE]Years ago there was such on Soi 33. Forgot the name. Either moved or out of business. Ask along the Soi. Someone might recall or suggest a new place.
[QUOTE=Falhooos;2187085]Sorry, I just want to ask about the hotel policies if I want to have guests in my room, do they charge extra fees to allow of its OK, and what hotels you guys recommend in lower Sukhumvit regarding visitors visiting you in your room.
Thanks again, cheers, Falhooos.[/QUOTE]I stayed at Park Plaza and Four Points without checking their policy on visitors. However, there were never any questions asked when I had a girl come up to my room. I had the receptionist call to check on me after the girl left at Park Plaza while I walked with the girl to my room through the lobby at Four Points.
Some of these hotels are huge with busy lobbies, especially when they have a restaurant. It is impossible for the staff to keep an eye on every visitor and charge you extra or object to guests.
[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2187404]20+ years ago, there was a shop like you asked about that was on Sukhumvit in the neighborhood of Soi 13/15. No idea if it's still there.
SS.[/QUOTE]I would suggest go in to the hair dresser shops on Soi 23 and ask. I have never been in (they look too suss close to Sukhumvit) but I would be surprised if there was no funny business going on. LOL.
Beauty salons between Soi 3 and Soi 7 are sure to have naughty stuff going on, however, its mostly ladyboys in the shops so I would not try it. Same could apply to shops in Soi 4. At your own risk!
Lastly, do you get your hair cut in Bacarra? You probably could, but why? Similarly why get naughty stuff in a hair dresser, it makes no sense. I don't even want a massage when I go into an oily, unless it is a "no hands" sexy massage, let alone a hair cut. I shave my face carefully before I get there, so as to ensure no pussy scratching.
[QUOTE=Edenkid;2186874]
I assume both cowboy and nana go gos are going to close up at 2 am.
I know I can get in well before 2 am (probably just after 1) but would like a good plan for after.
[/QUOTE]This is not my time of night, so others are better to comment on discos. You are right pickings at bars will be slim. Best girls already gone. Crazy House may close later than 2 AM. Keeps changing depending on crack down levels. I certainly have taken bar girls at 1. 30 AM, especially in your situation or I knew the girl already.
Street Walkers does become an option, a cheap and nasty one. I did not meet many worth repeating, for looks, fun, and service.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2187103]Some time ago (a few years?) I read about a barber shop in Bangkok where not only your hair was cut, but they provided a "happy ending" too. Try as I might I could not trace back that post. It may even have been on another forum and it was quite some time ago anyhow, so the info then provided is probably stale by now.
Anybody any idea where that place was? And if so, does it still exist? All info is welcome.[/QUOTE]I remember being offered extra services for 1000 baht at a fairly normal-looking barber shop on Sutthisan road (on the main road near Sutthisan Soi 3, across the T-DED99 bar). Was looking for a haircut, so didn't partake or inquire about which specific services were on offer. Closest BTS station is Saphan Kwai, the barber shop is in a Thai-oriented naughty bar area. If I remember right, this was around 2010 or so -- not ancient history, but not recent either, given how nightlife has declined. I have walked by about a year ago, and the shop seems to still be in operation, but no idea if they still offer any specials.
Previous days report are in the Pattaya forum.
Late on Day 3 of Trip:
If you've been reading my posts this far, you've probably noted that my trip report isn't really full of any serious exploration or account of go-gos, beer bars etc. What can I say. My friend and I came for this short trip to Thailand simply to get in as much sex as we could with minimal effort and within a budget. Loud places, expensive drink prices and presumably thus expensive girls were not to our taste. Far easier to set things up online, make the checks and verification you may want to make, and call a girl over to you. So at 1 AM in Bangkok that's what we did. We were at Like Sukhumvit 22, a brilliant place far, far better than what I imagined. I'll put a full review of it separately in Bangkok Hotels forum. In booking a room there, I was looking for an apartment type of place where there were two private bedrooms. The idea being that my friend and I could stay in the same 'room' and yet have our own private places for sexy time. Like Sukhumvit 22 provided this beautifully.
We'the been eyeing the ladies on Smooci for weeks leading up to this trip, and now we took a premium membership so that we could call the ladies for just an hour- the cost of premium membership, $10, was far less than the extra money we would pay for ladies if we did not take the membership and thus paid for 2 hours minimum. Given that we booked two different ladies from the same account, we got a call to find out what was happening. The agent was clearly worried that I was trying to set up a threesome. I assured him that we were two different people with separate bedrooms, and had no intention other than having our own one-on-ones.
Now you've got to be quite careful on Smooci. Many ladies are clearly older even in the pictures than what they're claiming on the site. Knowing this well, I still chose a lady I suspected would be older than what the photos and listing suggested. I chose her because she had photos in a nurse costume and hey, why not indulge in that fantasy too. So I called her for 1 hour, requesting for the nurse costume in special instructions. She claimed the age of 27 on the website, looked early 30's in photos, but was much closer to 40 in person. Further, since she was 'out with friends and came from there directly' she did not carry the nurse costume as requested. Well aware of her age deceit, and probably guilty about the costume as well, she was quite eager to please and keep me happy- frequently mentioning that she didn't want me to give a bad review.
Thus there was a lot of massaging and a lot of BJ, but when it moved to fuck time I found there was no kissing at all. This, and not really the age and non-costume, bummed me out a bit and poor johnny was unable to hold up. So I decided to use her eagerness to please to my advantage and took some leisure time- a nice, solid full body massage and something that's a great pleasure for me- just lying there and having a smoke while the lady sucks me off. At this point she brought out some strawberry flavored gel from her purse and rubbed dollops of that around my crotchal region. This was followed by a decent, leisurely BJ that eventually did yield. Once again asking me whether I was happy and would give a good review, she cleaned up and left. This brought a tiring day to a welcome end.
Day 4, 20th May. Final Day:
My excuses for being a lazy-just-get-the-girl-to-my-room type of Thailand tourist have been made above. My flight out of Thailand is tonight at 11 PM, and I'm tired from the previous days of sexual activity, beer, walking and swimming. My friend needs to go for a round of shopping, and while I initially intend to accompany him I eventually opt to stay back- especially since the girl I had as my option 1 on Smooci was finally online. I called her for 1 hour again, thinking I'the negotiate more time with her if she was good, and boy was she! Exactly as depicted in the photos- young, tall, slender and thin- basically the same body as this ex I had who was the best fuck of my life. I called this girl despite a 3. 7 average score on Smooci. The actual reviews indicated that mileage with her varied and the photos were true.
Her attitude was great and personable from the start, and I love it if the girl drinks and smokes with me- which she did. So we took our time showering, drinking and conversing. Here's one thing I do on my mongering trips- I look for and buy a sexy / slutty costume or piece of lingerie and bring it with me on the trip. This I present unopened to a girl if I decide she's worth it. This girl, with her perfect body, was worthy of the glittering green two-piece bikini I bought for this trip. So after the shower I asked her to get into it and she obliged with great delight, especially when I told her that this was hers now. So there I am, with my perfect body in my chosen clothing with my desired amiability. Great fuck in all positions, no inhibitions in kissing and passion, so a complete GFE. I extended her till an hour before I had to leave for the airport, and paid her a little extra because she was so good. Took her number so I can contact her outside Smooci too if I like, and found out she has a friend working in a spa here in Gurgaon, India! Love it.
That then was the end of my Thailand trip, and soon I was on the plane back to India thinking of the next time I could save up money for such a trip- next time ideally a bit longer.
[QUOTE=Falhooos;2187085]Sorry, I just want to ask about the hotel policies if I want to have guests in my room, do they charge extra fees to allow of its OK, and what hotels you guys recommend in lower Sukhumvit regarding visitors visiting you in your room.
Thanks again, cheers, Falhooos.[/QUOTE]I stayed in 3 different hotels earlier this year on Sukhumvit Soi 2. All were guest friendly, no additional charges. Surestay Hotel, though lots of families there; Hotel Solo, and Aspen Suites more adult. Surestay and Solo the nicest. I also know that the Rembrandt Towers, around Soi 20 allows guests for free, since I just sent an email and asked.
If you're near Soi 2, make sure you go to The Mexican, just off the soi next to Annie's Soapy Massage. Great food, owner, pool, drinks. It ain't cheap, but it's a slice of heaven before hitting crazy Nana Plaza at the other end of the alley it's on. No bargirls in this place, though you can take a well-dressed date there, if you want.
Enjoy your trip.
[QUOTE=SomeJerk;2185062]The following was enabled by information found on this forum, so I suppose, in a way, it's giving back. If only I could give as good as I got.
So, my not admittedly but actually bi-curious 21-year old non-Thai in tow (and yes I brought my own caviar to the oyster bar that is Bangkok, but bear with me), we proceed to Honey Bee Massage on Soi 22 and ask for the 120 minute couple's massage. The providers are both listed on the website, and came recommended by the sizable desk mommy as specializing in women. They gave my 21-year old such a seeing-to that after the soapy and rubdown session, and watching me go to town on them, both her first lesbian and first group experience, my 21-year old is requesting repeats and demanding nearly nightly gogo visits. This is ALL thanks to the patient, gentle, understanding, and highly competent session we received at Honey Bee. With a little hinting from me at the beginning, and a little hand-holding from me throughout, our two providers were expert guides in getting her into the mood and putting her jealousy and shyness to rest. Ya damn right I over tipped at 1 k baht to each provider plus 5,000 for the experience, but I didn't make clear at all I would do that, nor did I "upsell" what the experience would be with my girl..[/QUOTE]That's good to know. I'm heading back in July with my wife and will definitely check out Honey Bee.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2187103]Brothers of the Mongering Persuasion!
Some time ago (a few years?) I read about a barber shop in Bangkok where not only your hair was cut, but they provided a "happy ending" too. Try as I might I could not trace back that post. It may even have been on another forum and it was quite some time ago anyhow, so the info then provided is probably stale by now.
Anybody any idea where that place was? And if so, does it still exist? All info is welcome.
Wolvenvacht.[/QUOTE]Sounds like Lisa's on Soi 19. Recently taken over by Lotus expanding from next door.
There was a well know barber shop with extras on Sukhumvit Soi 11 years ago but I'm sure it is closed now. It was on Soi 11 right at the entrance to the sub-Soi that used to have Sabai Sabai massage and Charley Brown's Mexican Restaurant in it. It was a clean, two story place with a lot of windows. Extras were provided on the second floor. I only got an HJ or BJ there but more was on the menu.
Doing a one-nighter in BKK and I'm torn on whether I should stay new Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza. I've been consuming all the info I can, and they both sound worth a look, but with only one night, what's the best bang for my buck (pun partially intended)?
[QUOTE=TJ222;2187699]Doing a one-nighter in BKK and I'm torn on whether I should stay new Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza. I've been consuming all the info I can, and they both sound worth a look, but with only one night, what's the best bang for my buck (pun partially intended)?[/QUOTE]It depends on your monger plan; If this is your first trip you should try both places. Start early, 6-7 PM with drinks outside Nana Plaza. Check out the popular bars in Nana from 9-10 PM onwards Then go to main street and take a taxi to Soi Cowboy. It will take you 5 minutes. If you are "falang" choose the best suited bars like Shark, Dollshouse, Crazy House, Long Gun, Rawhide, Tilac and choose your little honey. In my opinion both Nana and Cowboy are good and no big difference in girls quality or prices if you stick to the popular bars (read this forum). If you find the prices too high try the Hillary bars near Nana Plaza for freelancers.
[QUOTE=TJ222;2187699]Doing a one-nighter in BKK and I'm torn on whether I should stay new Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza. I've been consuming all the info I can, and they both sound worth a look, but with only one night, what's the best bang for my buck (pun partially intended)?[/QUOTE]You don't say if you are Western guy or Indian or Japanese. That makes it harder to advise. You don't say if you like silicones and fake noses and Thai girls trying to look western, skinny or voluptuous, etc. Looks or price oriented?
I would suggest try an Oily massage early like 7 PM, then bars later. Stay close to Soi Cowboy (better for getting to massage joints). Nana is not far at all. Very quick on motorcycle, if too lazy to walk.
At Nana try Billboard if you like slim models. Bangkok Bunnies for more surgeries and thicker girls. In Cowboy I like Doll House (skinny Coyotes), Shark, and Crazy House (for full naked girls) (but that is personal preference). You can't afford to waste time visiting all bars. Baccara if you like surgeries girls. Yes you can check out both Nana and Cowboy in one night, just be selective about bars to try.
There was a Chinese grub.
Place on Suk Soi 17 I think, can't recall the name but I started eating there 15 years ago. Is it still there? Corner joint, no A/C?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2187783]You don't say if you are Western guy or Indian or Japanese.[/QUOTE]I think this makes all the difference in the world. These types of guys like completely different things.
Thanks gents. Not the first time to girly / gogos, but first time in Thailand, so that's very useful info. 100% Western whitey here. Prefer the more thin / natural types. Thanks for the input, it's helping me narrow things down a bit, and the club names are super useful!
Third visit to the big mango coming up. Annie's is done. What options should I be looking at for oilies?
Also anyone recently tried out Eden club? I'm getting mixed reviews. Is it worth checking out? The goal this time is to get with two women that are willing to go down on each other and be bi with me.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2187384]Luggage can be stored at the Airpotel at Suvarnabhumi airport for 100 baht per piece per day. I believe there is an Airportel at DMK as well.
[URL]https://www.airportels.asia/services/luggage-storage-suvarnabhumi/[/URL][/QUOTE]You are right, B Boi! Airportels do have luggage and delivery services at BKK and DMK airports. In the city, they have outlets at Terminal 21 and MBK malls. They ship the luggages to one's hotels from airpots and from these outlets they deliver at respective airports as well.
Dickaprio.
[QUOTE=TJ222;2187699]Doing a one-nighter in BKK and I'm torn on whether I should stay new Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza. I've been consuming all the info I can, and they both sound worth a look, but with only one night, what's the best bang for my buck (pun partially intended)?[/QUOTE]No gogo bar is the best bang for your buck but if you want the most convenient way to pick up generally the hottest overall group of girls the top gogo bars are the avenue you should take. The other options are thermae and thaniya road. Imo the best gogo bars in Bangkok are rainbow in nana and king's castle 1 in patpong.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2187989]No gogo bar is the best bang for your buck but if you want the most convenient way to pick up generally the hottest overall group of girls the top gogo bars are the avenue you should take. The other options are thermae and thaniya road. Imo the best gogo bars in Bangkok are rainbow in nana and king's castle 1 in patpong.[/QUOTE]Thermae has been a Japanese trap for a long time, unless that all changed. The girls didn't used to look at non Japanese inside before. But they would in the street after closing. If the Beergarden on Soi 7 is still open then that is great value, but there are few younger ladies. Good place to make friends though. My favourite gogos are Long Gun (Lucky Star) on Cowboy (not owned by "the Man from Iran" and Rawhide (now half owned by him, but they still didn't rip you off last time I was there). Tilac is good if you don't mind the girls wearing clothes. Some of the bars will just load your bill, so check it regularly. Suzi Wong's is worth a look as is Crazy house on Soi 23. Five Star seems to have been taken over and ruined. The band had gone last time I looked. But I didn't stay long.
In Nana Angelwitch is always worth a look. Some of the smaller bars have some cute girls that don't get taken much, but I am more a Cowboy person. I haven't been to Patpong for years. But best not to go upstairs. If you want to see pussy show and ping pong then go to the other bars I mention (long gun particularly although since the coup a lot has changed). The tourist agogo's in Patpong are decent sometimes, but as I said I don't venture there much.
Have fun,
JS.
[QUOTE=Edenkid;2186144]Hey everyone,
Due to arrival flight times for my upcoming visit, I won't be able to leave the hotel before 1 am after checking in. Maybe even closer to 1:30 am. Luckily I'm staying close to Cowboy.
Can I ask what you top spots to hit right away would be at this hour? From memory Soi Cowboy bars will be open until 2 am, but pickings will be slim at that time.
If Nana also closes at 2 I doubt there would be time to get down to any bars in the ent plaza, at least not without a big rush to get there and probably only 15 min left on the clock once inside.
I used to hit clubs after-hours but lately have started early / finished early. Would love to get suggestions of how best to stay in the game in BKK when making a late start.
Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]1:30 am is really too late to go to Coybow / Nana in my opinion. Best bet for finding a very attractive girl is one of three places: Insanity, MIXX, and Levels. I have really enjoyed my last few visits to Levels and think the girls there are actually more attractive than the first two. There is also a slightly higher mix of regular girls there as well.
Hi all,
Is there any reviews on Anchalee at Bangkok: [URL]http://anchaleebangkok.com/[/URL].
I find her pics hot put wanted to get some reviews on her.
Years back Eden Club used to offer two girls back to your hotel for all night until 8 am the next day. Looking on their website now I cannot see this offer- does anyone know if it is still possible? Also where else can I find a threesome in BKK, l don't want to just pick two random girls with no chemistry, would prefer seek out providers who specialise in it and are bi-sexual.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2187821]There was a Chinese grub.
Place on Suk Soi 17 I think, can't recall the name but I started eating there 15 years ago. Is it still there? Corner joint, no A/C?[/QUOTE]Corner of soi 15. Yes, it is still there.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2188283]Corner of soi 15. Yes, it is still there.[/QUOTE]Damn if it's the same folks that own it LOL they are truly old. Great food.
[QUOTE=TiVida;2188266]Years back Eden Club used to offer two girls back to your hotel for all night until 8 am the next day. Looking on their website now I cannot see this offer- does anyone know if it is still possible? Also where else can I find a threesome in BKK, l don't want to just pick two random girls with no chemistry, would prefer seek out providers who specialise in it and are bi-sexual.[/QUOTE]If you are not trophy hunting and want good service and real lesbian action I would recommend Tulip. I have had about 8-10 sessions with 6 different ladies over the years and all have been very good to exceptional. I normally book Ying and tell her what I want and have her choose a suitable lady that is available that day. You might want to stop by the shop and see if the ladies meet your specs before committing as they tend to be a bit older. One downside with using the shop is the bed is too small for 3 people. I have had a couple of not too memorable experiences at Eden a few years back and some excellent ones at Mango and Bongkot. However, Bongkot is no longer in business and I haven't been to Mango for years.
[QUOTE=TJ222;2187699]Doing a one-nighter in BKK and I'm torn on whether I should stay new Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza. I've been consuming all the info I can, and they both sound worth a look, but with only one night, what's the best bang for my buck (pun partially intended)?[/QUOTE]I enjoyed bars at both Nana plaza and Soi Cowboy. It's a tough decision to choose only one and it depends on your personal taste. Nana with it's fluorescent lights looks a bit cheesy while Soi Cowboy is a narrow street with plenty of bars. I found girls at bars in Soi Cowboy to be prettier but it depends on your personal taste.
You won't go wrong with either place. Have fun!
[QUOTE=Soroche;2188398]However, Bongkot is no longer in business and I haven't been to Mango for years.[/QUOTE]I went past Mango on Soi 24/1 last week and it was closed, they say it is temporary but who knows.
[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2188453]I went past Mango on Soi 24/1 last week and it was closed, they say it is temporary but who knows.[/QUOTE]Its presently closed for renovation and from what I understand should be open within the next week or so.
[QUOTE=JohnSue;2187997]Thermae has been a Japanese trap for a long time, unless that all changed. The girls didn't used to look at non Japanese inside before. But they would in the street after closing. If the Beergarden on Soi 7 is still open then that is great value, but there are few younger ladies. Good place to make friends though. My favourite gogos are Long Gun (Lucky Star) on Cowboy (not owned by "the Man from Iran" and Rawhide (now half owned by him, but they still didn't rip you off last time I was there). Tilac is good if you don't mind the girls wearing clothes. Some of the bars will just load your bill, so check it regularly. Suzi Wong's is worth a look as is Crazy house on Soi 23. Five Star seems to have been taken over and ruined. The band had gone last time I looked. But I didn't stay long.
[/QUOTE]Five Star is now owned by the same people that operate Crazy House, I'm told. The old Five Star was something different in Cowboy, a cool quirky bar with live music. Never had many people, so I understand new owners want to try a different set-up. But another chrome bar with average ladies and "car alarm music" is really not what Cowboy needs right now. The street lacks diversity; it should have more themed bars IMO. Owners need to make a profit but why is there such a lack of inventions and new ideas? Sad really. I guess some of it is related to the "Iran" guy how run his bars for money laundry only. For customers to the area it is just a waste of space since it does not appeal to the hardcore mongers nor to the curious tourists. So who is it for. Since there are no people inside, just a bunch of girls on the outside? The old Climax is surely missed; the discos like Insanity, Levels etc. Just do not do it for me (maybe to old. ? The Hillary bars are Ok, but a tad too small. Any news on the street that Climax will reopen on another location? It was a perfect pick-up place with tons of freelancers.
Hey fellow mongers.
I have been to BKK about 10 times to exercise our hobby but never to Manila.
I am considering a hobby trip of about 10 days. Milion dollar question: Manila or BKK?
Your feedback is much appreciated. Feel free to drop a PM or share your feedback with everyone in the Forum.
/ Kirsia!
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2188283]Corner of soi 15. Yes, it is still there.[/QUOTE]Its called Yong Lee (rising tone). Very cheap but nothing special. I gave it away years ago, maybe because something started to annoy me about the Chinese attitude (that reminded me of Hong Kong). Does not have an overly friendly vibe. LOL Chinese culture and manners are very different to Thai. Anyway cheap and a bit nasty sums it up. A friend first took me to Yong Lee in 1991. Back then, even girls from the Thermae Soapy or Cafe would sometimes eat there (due to price and speed). It never changed much. Some staff members were very old (like 70+), so surely some must have croaked it by now. Maybe something to do with losing my wallet getting out of a taxi before a visit to Yong Lee . I think the girl may have had to pay the bill. LOL Lucky it was a small bill. Later I got back my wallet and cards (minus the cash). I don't believe I was pick pocketed. Just failed to put wallet back into tight pants properly while juggling a few things such a phone etc., it probably was in the taxi, still who knows? Never lost a wallet again. I imagine someone with no Thai Bank account could be in a right pickle if lost a wallet and all cards. I usually don't carry absolutely all cards with me and definitely not passport. Would not be smart.
I would much rather go to the BBQed duck place on other side of Sukhumvit under BTS Asoke. Its much less crowded and better quality. A very good place to get take away BBQ duck too. Its called Thong Kee. In old days when GF sent me to get BBQed duck, I sometimes had a quick diversion to a BJ joint not so far away.
You would also be far better off in Love Scene 24 hours restaurant in Soi 23 with a good menu selection. Just my opinion if you want something a little better, but still not pricey.
[QUOTE=Aviator12;2188506]But another chrome bar with average ladies and "car alarm music" is really not what Cowboy needs right now. [/QUOTE]Yes I tried to explain to the Ladyboy mamasan (ex Crazy House waitress) that the "music" was very obnoxious to guys of my generation even if the young girls seemed to like it. I suggested to her to go check out Shark, notice a lot more customers, and notice a much more acceptable type of dance music for the Expat customers. I was only there due to a an ex regular Crazy House girl being there. I really hated it as a bar completely. First step would be fire the DJ, then make it more similar to Crazy House or Shark or Doll House would be a big forward step.
Have to learn something from bars doing well or okay.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2188622]Its called Yong Lee (rising tone). Very cheap but nothing special. I gave it away years ago, maybe because something started to annoy me about the Chinese attitude (that reminded me of Hong Kong). Does not have an overly friendly vibe. LOL Chinese culture and manners are very different to Thai. Anyway cheap and a bit nasty sums it up. A friend first took me to Yong Lee in 1991. Back then, even girls from the Thermae Soapy or Cafe would sometimes eat there (due to price and speed). It never changed much. Some staff members were very old (like 70+), so surely some must have croaked it by now. Maybe something to do with losing my wallet getting out of a taxi before a visit to Yong Lee . I think the girl may have had to pay the bill. LOL Lucky it was a small bill. Later I got back my wallet and cards (minus the cash). I don't believe I was pick pocketed. Just failed to put wallet back into tight pants properly while juggling a few things such a phone etc., it probably was in the taxi, still who knows? Never lost a wallet again. I imagine someone with no Thai Bank account could be in a right pickle if lost a wallet and all cards. I usually don't carry absolutely all cards with me and definitely not passport. Would not be smart.
I would much rather go to the BBQed duck place on other side of Sukhumvit under BTS Asoke. Its much less crowded and better quality. A very good place to get take away BBQ duck too. Its called Thong Kee. In old days when GF sent me to get BBQed duck, I sometimes had a quick diversion to a BJ joint not so far away.
You would also be far better off in Love Scene 24 hours restaurant in Soi 23 with a good menu selection. Just my opinion if you want something a little better, but still not pricey.[/QUOTE]Not a fan of either place to tell you the truth. If I want good duck I get our of the Lower Sukhumvit area, which to tell you the truth is only good for Middle Eastern food. There is some good Northern Chinese at Dalian which is behind Villa on Soi 33. For duck Chinatown is the best although there is a place in Khlongtan that is pretty good as well. If you want duck noodles there is a shop in Khlongtoey near PAT stadium that is wonderful. Also close there is one of the best beef noodle shops in the city. Although I live in between Nana and Asoke, I never eat Thai or Chinese food in the area.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2188636]Not a fan of either place to tell you the truth. If I want good duck I get our of the Lower Sukhumvit area, which to tell you the truth is only good for Middle Eastern food. There is some good Northern Chinese at Dalian which is behind Villa on Soi 33. [/QUOTE]One has to eat something although I don't live there and probably more often eat more expensive western food also. LOL.
I thought that would should be called Soi 33/1 most likely, since its a small Soi not directly connected to Soi 33 proper. Still maybe they still call it Soi 33 to prevent finding it. LOL Villa Markt seems to be in Sukhumvit road when I go there, and merely close to Soi 33, however Thai addressing is crazy.
[QUOTE=ARyan1909M;2188084]Hi all,
Is there any reviews on Anchalee at Bangkok: [URL]http://anchaleebangkok.com/[/URL].
I find her pics hot put wanted to get some reviews on her.[/QUOTE]Mate,
She looks like an Aunty with some heavy make-up. I doubt she is nearing 40.
If that's what your choice by all means go ahead and post a review otherwise stay away.
Fellas,
Hitting Cowboy next week almost after a year. Anything changed, any suggestion?
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2188636]Not a fan of either place to tell you the truth. If I want good duck I get our of the Lower Sukhumvit area, which to tell you the truth is only good for Middle Eastern food. There is some good Northern Chinese at Dalian which is behind Villa on Soi 33. For duck Chinatown is the best although there is a place in Khlongtan that is pretty good as well. If you want duck noodles there is a shop in Khlongtoey near PAT stadium that is wonderful. Also close there is one of the best beef noodle shops in the city. Although I live in between Nana and Asoke, I never eat Thai or Chinese food in the area.[/QUOTE]It's rare that I eat in the Sukhumvit playground. The Chinese joint I mentioned used to be packed with girls but hey now I'm showing my age. It's a good meal for that area as opposed to food courts and overpriced tourist crap.
For Duck I go to a place on Charoen krung.
Near Robinson's and Saphan Taksin. About 100 M from Robinsons. Can't remember the name right now. But it's killer.
[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2188652]Mate,
She looks like an Aunty with some heavy make-up. I doubt she is nearing 40.
If that's what your choice by all means go ahead and post a review otherwise stay away.[/QUOTE]If you look at the first picture and then at number four (second row, first one on the left), you can clearly see a huge difference.
I guess number 4 is closer to her real looks. That is not a very nice picture.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2188690]
For Duck I go to a place on Charoen krung.
Near Robinson's and Saphan Taksin. About 100 M from Robinsons. Can't remember the name right now. But it's killer.[/QUOTE]Prachak Roast Duck is excellent.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2188622]Its called Yong Lee (rising tone). Very cheap but nothing special. I gave it away years ago, maybe because something started to annoy me about the Chinese attitude (that reminded me of Hong Kong). Does not have an overly friendly vibe. LOL Chinese culture and manners are very different to Thai. Anyway cheap and a bit nasty sums it up. A friend first took me to Yong Lee in 1991. Back then, even girls from the Thermae Soapy or Cafe would sometimes eat there (due to price and speed). It never changed much. Some staff members were very old (like 70+), so surely some must have croaked it by now. [/QUOTE]I've eaten there 4-5 times because others in my group wanted to eat there but I gave it up, too. The service is terrible. Never got my order right or brought the food to a group of 2-4 of us without there being a gap of 15-20 minutes between servings. The food isn't even as good or as cheap as the nearby Terminal 21 food hall. Felt like I needed to dip my hands in sanitizer after handling the menus, which smell like body waste. I've heard the place is about 100 years old. Wouldn't be surprised. I think that has been the main appeal for the past couple of decades, that it was so old and "historic". I haven't seen the very old lady who used to just sit in a chair against the back wall for a while. Maybe gone. Must have been almost 100 years old herself.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2188690]It's rare that I eat in the Sukhumvit playground. The Chinese joint I mentioned used to be packed with girls but hey now I'm showing my age. It's a good meal for that area as opposed to food courts and overpriced tourist crap.
For Duck I go to a place on Charoen krung.
Near Robinson's and Saphan Taksin. About 100 M from Robinsons. Can't remember the name right now. But it's killer.[/QUOTE]That is perhaps the most famous duck place in the city and it is killer.
[QUOTE=DioRetz;2188717]If you look at the first picture and then at number four (second row, first one on the left), you can clearly see a huge difference.
I guess number 4 is closer to her real looks. That is not a very nice picture.[/QUOTE]It must be both mate. She is ageing and using photoshop to look better. If a working girl tells you the photo in website is her without any modifications and you are believing then I would suggest trust Trump making America great again.
[QUOTE=TiVida;2188266]Years back Eden Club used to offer two girls back to your hotel for all night until 8 am the next day. Looking on their website now I cannot see this offer- does anyone know if it is still possible? Also where else can I find a threesome in BKK, l don't want to just pick two random girls with no chemistry, would prefer seek out providers who specialise in it and are bi-sexual.[/QUOTE]Find which ever bar you like and ask the mamasan. Just remember Thai Lady's can be very "shy" not with you on your own (the dressing under a towel thing they always do even on their own) but with another girl if you take two you might find one insists on being in the bathroom while the other performs. So explain to the Mamasan what you want and she will hopefully provide. Might have to buy her a drink though 555.
[QUOTE=Aviator12;2188506]Five Star is now owned by the same people that operate Crazy House, I'm told. The old Five Star was something different in Cowboy, a cool quirky bar with live music. Never had many people, so I understand new owners want to try a different set-up. But another chrome bar with average ladies and "car alarm music" is really not what Cowboy needs right now. The street lacks diversity; it should have more themed bars IMO. Owners need to make a profit but why is there such a lack of inventions and new ideas? Sad really. I guess some of it is related to the "Iran" guy how run his bars for money laundry only. For customers to the area it is just a waste of space since it does not appeal to the hardcore mongers nor to the curious tourists. So who is it for. Since there are no people inside, just a bunch of girls on the outside? The old Climax is surely missed; the discos like Insanity, Levels etc. Just do not do it for me (maybe to old. ? The Hillary bars are Ok, but a tad too small. Any news on the street that Climax will reopen on another location? It was a perfect pick-up place with tons of freelancers.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the intel on Five Star. I was in BKK with my Thai GF a few months back and stuck my head in. I was somewhat horrified, but like everything else, use it or lose it. Ten years back it was busy, and relaxed, the drinks prices were 60-80 Baht so you could stay in there for a few hours for 1 k Baht with a bg from another bar and buy the staff a few drinks. Post coup and other Thai issues customers dropped off and following Asian business logic prices went up a lot. A shame, and a great loss to decent music in BKK. I didn't really Climax had closed, last time I walk passed the Ambassador it appeared to be open, but I never went in. That was a few months back though. The Hillary bars (at least 3, or whichever one is on Soi 12) have funny rules for the lady drinks, which most customers might not notice, but they have 4 different drinks they have to have in order. After that they can have what they want. I have a friend there from a long time ago when she worked on Soi 33.
I don't go to all the bars, tending to stick to a few, but if you are on older bloke (I am) try Angelwitch, Rawhide and Long Gun. Buy a beer, watch the show and see who comes to talk. Go midweek when it is quieter and be patient. If you are very old and you want young ladies LT this may not work as well. But I am sure you know all that, sorry.
JS.
Hey, We are young couples from India coming to Bangkok on 12th July - 17th July looking for fun. Any recommended fun place to visit where we can get connected with Asian couples & mature men. Also, any place where we both can get massage. Do let me know.
Thanks in Advance.
Any recommended places for couples? Either good sex rubdown for the 2 of us or whatever. My lady friends not really bi so even a male rub for her would be fine or somebody that specialise in couples.
Thanks for ideas.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2187989] Imo the best gogo bars in Bangkok are rainbow in nana and king's castle 1 in patpong.[/QUOTE]Hi BB. Which rainbow are you talking about and why is it the best bar according to you? Have been popping my head into rainbow now and then but it never occurred to me to sit down and grab a San Mig light.
The one with the long stage. Never sure which Rainbow is which. I'm not a fan of Bangkok gogo bars to begin with but that Rainbow has the prettiest gogo girls. Your taste may vary. If I had one night like I do again this week I choose Patpong over Nana and Cowboy. Patpong gogo bars seem to have friendlier girls liken to the Pattaya gogo bars.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2188632]Yes I tried to explain to the Ladyboy mamasan (ex Crazy House waitress) that the "music" was very obnoxious to guys of my generation even if the young girls seemed to like it. I suggested to her to go check out Shark, notice a lot more customers, and notice a much more acceptable type of dance music for the Expat customers. I was only there due to a an ex regular Crazy House girl being there. I really hated it as a bar completely. First step would be fire the DJ, then make it more similar to Crazy House or Shark or Doll House would be a big forward step.
Have to learn something from bars doing well or okay.[/QUOTE]Not sure what you mean with the expat customer. I can imagine that there's a Japanese or perhaps oriental market that they target in CH who might like the crap music they play over there. From the times I have entering both CH and Shark bar I had the impression that there were many more Asians in CH to be found comparing with Shark or even Dollhouse where there were more westerners. Not sure that this is due to the fact that they play more acceptable music in Shark and DH.
As for me I really do like some good music that not only suits my taste but also suits the bar. Looking at CH establishment I'm not sure that having better music, whatever that may be would be per se better in order to get more revenue. I think that playing this type of music is a part of their identity which perhaps suits the target they're aiming for. At the end I believe that most people don't go into bars that is according to their music type liking. I go into CH because the girls are naked. Nothing more, noting less.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2190474]The one with the long stage. Never sure which Rainbow is which. I'm not a fan of Bangkok gogo bars to begin with but that Rainbow has the prettiest gogo girls. Your taste may vary. If I had one night like I do again this week I choose Patpong over Nana and Cowboy. Patpong gogo bars seem to have friendlier girls liken to the Pattaya gogo bars.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I'll pay a bit more attention next time I'm there. Never have been going to Patpong as I have the feeling that it's not so conveniently situated and I have not read that many stories about patpong either on this forum or at least nothing that attracted me. Who knows I'll give it a try next time. Thanks again BB.
Don't expect the quantity of girls in Patpong. Other than King's Castle 1 with 60-70 girls most bars there have only 15-30 girls.
[QUOTE=Hiete;2190477]Thanks for the info. I'll pay a bit more attention next time I'm there. Never have been going to Patpong as I have the feeling that it's not so conveniently situated and I have not read that many stories about patpong either on this forum or at least nothing that attracted me. Who knows I'll give it a try next time. Thanks again BB.[/QUOTE]Yeah, there never seems to be reports on Patpong, I am sure there is some value there amongst the clip joints, anyone with deep knowledge care to share the places that are legit vs the places that are straight up rip joints?
Hi fellow mongers,
As I am coming to Bangkok Nana Hotel for only 1 night. What do you guys think about it, is it good like girl friendly also in terms on staff and safety.
Also one more question about the money, how much in Bahts you think I should carry for the night if I want to eat, drink and sex of course + transportation from / to the airport.
My regards,
Falhooos.
Anyone good new recommendations for transport company Bangkok-Pat? Used one before but they don't reply anymore so guessing they quit. 1500-2000 acceptable if very good spacious car with good A / C and happy friendly drivers.
[QUOTE=Falhooos;2190856]Hi fellow mongers,
As I am coming to Bangkok Nana Hotel for only 1 night. What do you guys think about it, is it good like girl friendly also in terms on staff and safety.
Also one more question about the money, how much in Bahts you think I should carry for the night if I want to eat, drink and sex of course + transportation from / to the airport.
My regards,
Falhooos.[/QUOTE]Nana hotel should run you around 1700 baht, ask them for the newer renovated rooms it includes a buffet breakfast. Without knowing your spending habits and taste a guess is 10,000 baht should be more than enough at least for me.
**For my 3rd trip of 16 nights, the plan was to spend 5 nights in BKK; the first 3 and then the final 2. The first 3 were with my buddies V and L. It ended up being 9 nights, and I will touch on that later.
P.S. Sorry for taking so long to write these. Definitely not enough time while on the ground, and I am just getting over the jetlag now, ha!
My flight to CAN out of LAX was delayed an hour and I feared that this would cause me to miss my connecting flight to BKK as I had just a little more than that time originally. Unable to get an answer from any of the airplane staff, I didn't even bother hustling off the plane as I originally took the risk on the aggressive itinerary knowing that there was another flight from CAN to BKK departing a few hours later. Got my tickets for that flight and slammed some beers in the lounge.
I ended up sitting next to 2 masseuses on the plane. Fine-tuned my Thai and as I was ripping more beers and one of them started to appeal to me a tad more haha. Turns out she lives in Chonburri. She said she'the come visit me in Pattaya when I was there so I got her line.
Landed at 1 am and hustled through the airport, customs and was in the taxi in 15 minutes. Dunno if I'll ever beat that but I'll take it. 25 minutes at checked into the hotel- Legacy suites by compass hospitality on soi 29. Pretty nice place, the breakfast is fantastic!
My buddy V landed 12 hrs before me so I sent him around to scout. As nothing stood out in NEP last time and recent solid reports there, I told him to check out Billboard, Butterflies, and Bangkok Bunnies. Unfortunately he said he did not see anything that elicited a bar fine. We have pretty similar tastes in our girls, often fighting over them (thank God there are so many LOL) so I took his word for it. He said Cowboy was dead in terms of punters and said he was digging "low season". Anyway, they were at Baccara so I met them there at 2 am. As it was an hour away from closing, I was not expecting much. Unfortunately it was slim pickings, but he did say that he saw one of my favorites from last time (288) earlier on. We left and checked out dollhouse. We love a handful of the waitresses here as they are very high energy. Did not see a single one. Darn. I meant to give this a look myself later on in my trip, but I never got a chance. Next time!
Something I did not partake in last time was the clubs. As I wanted to work other more cost effective avenues this go round, the afterhours clubs we're on my to do list. With 4 guys wide awake what better time than now?! We took a cab to insanity and went in. A lot of lookers in there and while there were certainly plenty past their prime, but there were also many youthful ones. V locked on, while L and I surveyed the room. One caught my eye, but she did not seem interested at all and gave off a vibe that she was God's gift. I passed. Did not make any other moves and was content just getting good night's sleep as I didn't get much during the 20 hrs of flight time. As V and his girl were taking a cab, L and I opted to walk. In front of us there are 2 pretty girls and I ask them "pi nai kap" (thanks Mr E for that line. F'in brilliant) they say "gin kao", I ask if we can join, and they oblige.
We just hit one of those random seafood restaurants set up on the side of the street and the food was pretty tasty. I initially sat down next to Nan (ok face, big implants, quirky personality) as I looked more at Bow, I started taking a liking to her. She definitely had a petite body (pictured), with a nice ass and sizeable tits which I am not surprised end up being bolt ONS. My buddy said she had a bitchy face; maybe I just liked that LOL. I switched seats with my buddy and started working her. I'll say that she did give off a bitchy vibe and she seemed like she just wanted to go home and go-to sleep. Nan was definitely dtf, but my buddy was reluctant. I asked be if she wanted to go, and she bluntly asked "for what". I said to have fun, and she said she was tired. Alright. Not feeling a good vibe, I decide to test her a bit and switch seats again with my buddy and start to work on her friend again LOL. I look at Bow out the corner of my eye and see her watching. I ask Nan for her line and say let's get out of here. She said that be was staying with her and that she would have to come to. I said ok fine, she can go with my friend. Nan speaks Thai with her and then says that be likes me. Ha! Playing hard to get I guess. L says he is not really feeling Nan, but totally takes one for the team here respect! We don't talk any numbers which I saw as a slight risk but as L was a first timer, I prepped him pretty good and knew that this chick would be a good provider.
To our rooms around 5:30 am and Bow is a bit of a bore. I definitely got a starfish vibe but am horny at this point and in full escalation mode. She is hesitant and always stopping me from advancing; so it is 2 steps forward and 1 step back for the next few hours. Finally she takes her pants off and I put a finger inside her. I cannot believe how tight she is! I am talking pinkie tight here. I go down for some DATY for what seems to be the better part of an hour. Finally she is starting to get more into it, and this time I put my index finger in her and she starts to pop her ass out and grind. By now she is pretty wet and I just enter her. Wow it felt great, what a way to start the trip! I finish the deed, roll over to see it's light outside (so much for getting a good night sleep haha) and pass out.
We wake up a little past 10 and I try to get a morning sesh in but she is not having it. Bow says her friend Nan left after L finished and that he gave her 5000 baht. Ok maybe I did not prep L as good as I thought I did LOL. I walk her downstairs and give her money for the taxi. She asks what about paying her for her time, and I playfully say "arai na, you like me baby". Not much of a sense of humor on this one as she just shoots me a dirty look. I do not have any baht so I just throw her a 100 dollar bill. She mentions her friend got 5000, and I say sorry baby I am not giving you 5000 for one pop. Had a tasty breakfast at the buffet and strategized what to do with V and L. We need to exchange money, purchase sim cards, and I want to hit the massage parlors with a 4 handed gloryhole in mind. Paradise and 102 are the places I have marked and with Paradise being a short walk away, that is the one I choose.
We walk in and Mamasan asks what we are looking for; I say I want a 90 minute 4 handed gloryhole massage with BJ and proceed to take 2 of the 4 girls who are in there without hesitation (Tangmo and Lucky). I pay and we head to the room. I shower alone and then wait for them with great anticipation on the gloryhole bed. They come in and start to massage me when I hear V come upstairs. As he passes by the door he says "hey thanks for leaving so many choices behind buddy" and I bust out laughing. Tangmo definitely has the better body and they both have some hairy bushes which I am not a fan of. They proceed with a so so massage when Tangmo says "see you later" and goes under the table to give me a handjob. I am digging this and then say I am ready for a BJ. To my surprise they open a condom and I am caught off guard. They inform me that they will only give a BJ with condom and that I should only want that for my safety. I'm trying to salvage this experience and say let's just go full service and I'll pay the cost delta afterwards. They oblige and Tangmo mounts me; I can feel that she is pretty tight even through those thick condoms that they had. She starts to tire and says to switch positions. I go in missionary and the expression on her face is not of enjoyment, so I look away haha. After a while of that, I ask her to get on her knees and then just pound away doggie until I finish. Ok 1 down. They proceed to give me more massage and Lucky asks if I'll be able to go again and I say yeah just give me 10 minutes. Well, much to their surprise 5 minutes later I was ready and she mounted me. As she was flat chested (Tangmo had some tits at least) I catch an unpleasant scent from Luckys vag, but just ignore it. I just have her ride me cowgirl until I finish. We still have 20 minutes left now, so they continue with the massage. I jokingly ask Tangmo if she wants more, and she says she is sore and cannot. I then ask Lucky and she shakes her head no. To my surprise I am 3/4's erect now and they offer to finish me with a handjob. I decline as I do not want to waste a pop on a damn HJ. We reconvene and compare notes; L says that he just got the best BBBJ of his life from a provider named Bank. I see her and she is certainly attractive. Had she been there when I walked in I definitely would have selected her haha.
We walk back to the hotel as I need some sleep before our dinner reservation at 7:30. I pass out hard.
After dinner, we head straight to Cowboy. As I mentioned previously, I love the energy of Dollhouse. The waitresses are so much fun to be around, buying them drinks is quite entertaining. The three who we had the most fun with before were all there and hardly left our side while we were there. As ritual I bought them all multiple rounds of drinks and let them spank my bare ass with their hands / foam batons. There was an American couple sitting behind us watching on in bewilderment haha. I asked about the girls we took before and was told they both no longer work there. Heading upstairs to the bathroom, I did however see one that could shake it like no other that I distinctly remember seeing on NYE due to that detail and the left half sleeve that she has. She can drop it down like no other. I told her to come down after she was finished dancing. 10 minutes later she came down and I got the best lap dance of my life. I thought about taking her but felt it had to be LT or nothing with her as those moves of her would have any man blowing it quite quickly. With my baccara girl on my mind, I decide to check it out, and make this one my fallback plan.
We get to baccara and after looking for her, did not see her. Darn. Surveyed the rest of the dancers and took a seat upstairs. Saw some solid girls but no one I wanted to buy a drink for. Went downstairs to to take another look then thought f it, why not just show the mamasan one of the few photos I have and ask her. I show her and she looks closely then leads me to the stage. There she was!! The drinking has taken its toll as you can see from what she looked like in January (1st pic) to now (2nd). I also tell myself that I didn't recognize her as she colored her hair and her tits didn't seem to be popping out as much. We go upstairs and she does not remember me haha. I show her some video and she seems a bit embarrassed, but I honestly don't care about that or her added lbs as long as the session was as good as before (it was one of the few sessions from the past trip that was still in my spankbank LOL). She asks me if I want to barfine and I say yes as we still had a great session before. She asks LT or ST and I ask her how long she'll stay for LT. She says 5, I counter with 6 and she says ok. I ask how many pops, and she says 2, I say last time I got at least 3, and she giggled and said up to me. To clarify I said ok as many as I want? "jet" (7)? She says ok and I ask how much. She says 7000 and I laugh. She says 6000, I say 5000 and I'll give her 1000 tip if she makes me happy. Deal. I hit the head, and come back to my buddy next to a girl with a hot face. I get a tad jealous and ask him where the f he found her. He said he just happened to see her downstairs. Her name was Jae (3rd picture) and she was so good my buddy barfined her the next night. He never does this so this speaks volumes. I asked him what he loved most about her and he said it was how she'd provide GFE one moment and would be pse the next.
Anyway, I recall my girl was a tad on the crazy side, dragging me from bar to bar but like me she just likes to have a good time, so I ask my buddy if he wants to go to a bar nearby for some drinks and dancing. They are down and I tell my girl we will go for a drink nearby and she smiles. Anyway, that turned into 90 minutes or so of boondoggling and I ended up dragging her out by her feet with the compromise being she could drink as much Singha (her beer of choice that she should probably give up for life LOL) as she wanted in the room. So if you barfine her just be ready for that.
Got to the room and clothes come off; I used to love the skinny chicks with implants, but now I am all about those big natural, perky titties. Session one down, get beers and cuddle. Suddenly I get a slew of line messages. Ha go figure that 2 of my pre trip line contacts decide to get back to me then. Oh well. Be from last night also asked what I was doing and that she was out drinking in radchadumri then asked what I was doing and I just didn't answer. By then I was ready to go again and session 2 down. Feeling the sexual chemistry I feel like I could bang this girl for eternity even though in all my past relationships I've gotten sick of having sex with them haha. She picks out some music and I serenade her with the songs that I know the lyrics to. She likes this and is starting to get turned on again. Kiss the neck, and lick from there to the V for some DATY. I feel the goosebumps on her and go in again. I lean back and pull her on top; she mounts me cowgirl and I am in a happy place with those big titties in my face. She starts to fatigue and I tell her to get on her knees. Love the view, reach around and get a handful of those titties again and pound away till I finish. Pass out for an hour or so and wake up hard. Feel her and she is a tad wet. Play with her pussy and then get in another session. It is now 530 am and I go in for one more session. That is how I maximize ROI haha. We shower together and she leaves. She asks if I'll come back tonight and I said most likely. She asks what time and I said before close, she said shell wait (I hope she didn't haha). Still a good provider, albeit a bit on the crazy side. Not sure I will repeat as who knows what she will look like when I go back this fall.
So after reading about Thermal, I finally tried it. The concept is interesting: it's a bar that's chock full of freelance girls standing around waiting for clients. Many are quite well dressed, and give off the impression they are office girls by day and working girls just some nights. I made my way around the whole room, chatting with a few and lingering some time with one who was quite enthusiastic ("I like you" she said convincingly), pretty and wearing a cute dress. I inquired on price (3,000) and move on.
I sat down a minute to finish my drink and decide, and a seasoned girl with a slightly desperate look on her face approached me. She offered 1,500 upfront, but I reapplied I wanted 3 K girl. I walked back to her, suggested 2,500 and she agreed with a smile. We walked out hand in hand and got a cab.
At mine she did the usual dash for the shower and emerged naked, eager to get the show movie ahead. I did not delay! She was petite, but had extraordinarily firm, medium-sized tits. When I complimented her, she said "silicone" and showed me the massive scars hidden underneath each one. She told me the price and I considered it money well spent!
She kissed me with lips pursed, which I don't love, but her overall performance was warm and willing. She sucked my cock until I was ready to enter her (cowgirl so I could focus on those tits! I rolled her into missionary, and finally flat on her front with me fucking her behind. I told her I wanted to come on her tits, but clearly she did not understand! Seconds from orgasm, I pulled out and tugged on her should so she could roll over. No response. One hand working my cock, and one on her shoulder I hoisted her hard util she figured it out, just in time for me to shoot a decent load onto her chest and stomach. Mission accomplished though I wonder what was going through her mind at the time!
Paid up, tipped her and she was keen to get back to Thermae for another go. Maybe some lucky guy got her too!
I'm reading g that the price are stopping g and drug testing falangs all over the entertainment district. What's going on?
[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;2190909]Anyone good new recommendations for transport company Bangkok-Pat? Used one before but they don't reply anymore so guessing they quit. 1500-2000 acceptable if very good spacious car with good A / C and happy friendly drivers.[/QUOTE]I used to use Mr. T out of Pattaya and they always were prompt. Not sure if they are still in business as it has been 3 years since I was there. Going to go back in August, but only doing BKK this trip.
Hi Guys,
Can someone please advise how much a box of 4 tablets of Cialis 20 MG should cost in Bangkok? I'm referring to the ORIGINAL Cialis, not the copy. I don't want to get ripped off so was just wondering what would be a reasonable price for it.
Cheers,
Br.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2191447]Hi Guys,
Can someone please advise how much a box of 4 tablets of Cialis 20 MG should cost in Bangkok? I'm referring to the ORIGINAL Cialis, not the copy. I don't want to get ripped off so was just wondering what would be a reasonable price for it.
Cheers,
Br.[/QUOTE]Expect to pay 1,800 Baht for a box of 4, or about $56.00 USD ($14 a pill).
The generic is about $3 a pill. Gives me a headache.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2191447]Hi Guys,
Can someone please advise how much a box of 4 tablets of Cialis 20 MG should cost in Bangkok? I'm referring to the ORIGINAL Cialis, not the copy. I don't want to get ripped off so was just wondering what would be a reasonable price for it.
Cheers,
Br.[/QUOTE]If you go to a pharmacy in the Sukhumvit area they are 1400 Bath.
[QUOTE=Woorace;2191418]I used to use Mr. T out of Pattaya and they always were prompt. Not sure if they are still in business as it has been 3 years since I was there. Going to go back in August, but only doing BKK this trip.[/QUOTE]I used MrT on the 27 May. The guy was waiting for me and a nice safe trip. 1000 baht. I used Nams taxis back to the airport again on time, a safe fast trip and cost 1200.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2191447]Hi Guys,
Can someone please advise how much a box of 4 tablets of Cialis 20 MG should cost in Bangkok? I'm referring to the ORIGINAL Cialis, not the copy. I don't want to get ripped off so was just wondering what would be a reasonable price for it.
Cheers,
Br.[/QUOTE]I just today paid 1400 baht for a box at the pharmacy on soi 15 just off suk.
So I'm reading good things about both Bangkok and Pattaya but if I only could pick one place to go, which place should I pick?
I'm not really into the bars and club scene. But I would like to find a mature freelancer on the street. Is there any area where they all congregate or do I have to good looking for them one by one?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;2190909]Anyone good new recommendations for transport company Bangkok-Pat? Used one before but they don't reply anymore so guessing they quit. 1500-2000 acceptable if very good spacious car with good A / C and happy friendly drivers.[/QUOTE]I always use Keak's taxi services for BKK, Pattaya, Rayong, Chonburi, etc. Google Keak Taxi Pattaya. They have a website with all rates published. Excellent safe drivers with well maintained cars always.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2191202]I'm reading g that the price are stopping g and drug testing falangs all over the entertainment district. What's going on?[/QUOTE]I haven't seen anything like this and I've been here for over a week now, and gone to Nana / Cowboy many times in that time.
[QUOTE=KillMonger;2191503]So I'm reading good things about both Bangkok and Pattaya but if I only could pick one place to go, which place should I pick?[/QUOTE]If it's your first time in Thailand go to Pattaya. Every thing is easy to get to. I had my first trip in February and went to Pattaya first. After reading the forum, looking at google maps and asking questions I had a ball. Bangkok was ok but my wingman was sick so that affected things but it is harder to move around and is more expensive.
Chances are your plane is landing and departing from Bangkok so try both but spend more time in Pattaya.
Rob.
[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;2191531]I'm not really into the bars and club scene. But I would like to find a mature freelancer on the street. Is there any area where they all congregate or do I have to good looking for them one by one?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]You may want to contact Kaintuck. He seems to be the expert on the mature woman.
Apcalis is the generic and works just fine. Headaches, stuffy nose, other symptoms are no different for me between the original and the generic. Because of the side effects I only use it with girls I've been with before and for whom I know that extended action is worth the day-after aches.
[QUOTE=Suerte8;2191453]Expect to pay 1,800 Baht for a box of 4, or about $56.00 USD ($14 a pill).
The generic is about $3 a pill. Gives me a headache.[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;2191531]I'm not really into the bars and club scene. But I would like to find a mature freelancer on the street. Is there any area where they all congregate or do I have to good looking for them one by one?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I am not sure what you mean by "mature" FL's. If you mean 32 to 40 year old girls that are still attractive then I suggest you might want to look elsewhere than the street because frankly I don't see very many attractive SW's in that particular demographic on the street although there are a some if you walk around, so up to you. But if you can overcome your reticence about bars, I think you will do a lot better.
For example, starting at the top of the Baht range and working lower: Spasso is a much better place to find attractive "mature" FL's than the streets and more expensive too, but what's money when it comes to having a good time with a sexy, well dressed, still firm, 34 year old Thai woman. For some reason Spasso seems to specialize in attractive 30 something FL's. I don't know why. Also Baccara and Shark Go Go's each have friendly & attractive older hostess girls in that same 30 something demographic looking after customers outside their respective Go Go's in their patio / bar serving areas. It is much more relaxed and quieter out on these patios and you don't have to enter the Go Go at all. Drink bars such as the well known Hillary bars also have plenty of 30 something friendly hostess girls available for your pleasure as do the "Artist" bars on Soi 33. In addition, there are plenty of open air hostess drink bars scattered around Soi 22 Queens Park Plaza with an eclectic mix of "mature" girls waiting to make your acquaintance.
Of course all of my suggestions above are for bars. If this venue really does not appeal to you, you can always just walk around Sukhumvit between Soi 4 and Asok and up and down Soi 11. From 11 pm onward you will see a lot of SW's hanging about. Although I rarely take an SW of any age group, I still enjoy walking around Sukhumvit late at night after my first tryst of the evening is long over. You never know who you may bump into and find attractive. HA HA. I once met the attractive 36 year old mamasan/owner of two small massage shops in the Ambassador Arcade and after we talked a bit and I realized I wanted her, she showed me a very memorable good time in her establishment - just the 2 of us with the lights turned down low.
And my last suggestion is to look into the social media sites like Thai Friendly, Tinder, and Wechat ect. There are a ton of girls of all descriptions and ages on these sites.
The bottom line is that I am sure you will find what you are looking in one of these venues. Happy hunting.
[QUOTE=Suerte8;2191453]Expect to pay 1,800 Baht for a box of 4, or about $56.00 USD ($14 a pill).
The generic is about $3 a pill. Gives me a headache.[/QUOTE]Instead of spending 1800 baht for the original Cialis I would buy the Apcalis-SX20 you see on the streets for 200 baht or $1. 55 USD a pill and get two blow jobs with the money I saved.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2191680]If it's your first time in Thailand go to Pattaya. Every thing is easy to get to. I had my first trip in February and went to Pattaya first. After reading the forum, looking at google maps and asking questions I had a ball. Bangkok was ok but my wingman was sick so that affected things but it is harder to move around and is more expensive.
Chances are your plane is landing and departing from Bangkok so try both but spend more time in Pattaya.
Rob.[/QUOTE]Awesome. Thanks for the recommendation. If I can afford to stay in both areas, I'll try. But I'll definitely shoot for staying in Pattaya my first time.
Was in Bk in 2014 single and had fun but now travelling with wife who obviously won't let me out at night to go to the playgrounds of Cowboy & Nana.
So looking for MP options near hotel which is close to Terminal 21. Any locations within walking distance please and prices.
Honey just popping out to buy cigarettes.
[QUOTE=NewImage;2191885]Was in Bk in 2014 single and had fun but now travelling with wife who obviously won't let me out at night to go to the playgrounds of Cowboy & Nana.
So looking for MP options near hotel which is close to Terminal 21. Any locations within walking distance please and prices.
Honey just popping out to buy cigarettes.[/QUOTE]With the BTS being right there, don't limit yourself. Opposite Terminal 21 is Som's Heaven for FS or a quick BJ. Near Soi Cowboy on Soi 23, there are a row of massage shops halfway down the Soi. Soi 22 and Soi 33 are also within walking distance and both sois have many massage shops half way down. If you can make it one BTS stop after Asok to Phrong Pong, you can visit Soi 24,24/1, or Soi 26 which have many massage shops. In all these cases, you will need make a cigarette run for 1-2 hours. Not sure how you are going to explain that. If I were you, head opposite Terminal 21 to Som's Heaven for a quick BJ or FS. I almost forgot, on Soi 19, which is the Soi beside Terminal 21, there are a row of 3 massage shops on the right hand side just past the steak house and 7/11. Happy hunting.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2191891]With the BTS being right there, don't limit yourself. Opposite Terminal 21 is Som's Heaven for FS or a quick BJ. Near Soi Cowboy on Soi 23, there are a row of massage shops halfway down the Soi. Soi 22 and Soi 33 are also within walking distance and both sois have many massage shops half way down. If you can make it one BTS stop after Asok to Phrong Pong, you can visit Soi 24,24/1, or Soi 26 which have many massage shops. In all these cases, you will need make a cigarette run for 1-2 hours. Not sure how you are going to explain that. If I were you, head opposite Terminal 21 to Som's Heaven for a quick BJ or FS. I almost forgot, on Soi 19, which is the Soi beside Terminal 21, there are a row of 3 massage shops on the right hand side just past the steak house and 7/11. Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]With a 7/11 at almost every 100 m it won't be long before the wife calls the bluff on "stepping out to buy cigarettes". Got to be more creative.
I just tell the wife I'm going for a massage. Two hours later I've got a spring in my step and my "muscles" rejuvenated, and I take her out for a nice dinner.
She's either naive or understands that I need a little "me time" when we are in Asia together.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2191906]With a 7/11 at almost every 100 m it won't be long before the wife calls the bluff on "stepping out to buy cigarettes". Got to be more creative.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NewImage;2191885]Was in Bk in 2014 single and had fun but now travelling with wife who obviously won't let me out at night to go to the playgrounds of Cowboy & Nana.
So looking for MP options near hotel which is close to Terminal 21. Any locations within walking distance please and prices.
Honey just popping out to buy cigarettes.[/QUOTE]Som's is probably your best choice if time is of the essence. Its 2 minutes from Terminal 21. A BJ is 800 baht and FS for 30 minutes is 1200. Chose your service provider or you will be assigned the next one in the queue who may not meet your specs.
[QUOTE=KillMonger;2191503]So I'm reading good things about both Bangkok and Pattaya but if I only could pick one place to go, which place should I pick?[/QUOTE]I personally like the big city atmosphere and I felt Bangkok had better gogo bars. I loved visiting the bars in Nana and also Soi Cowboy. When I visited Pattaya, it was raining very heavily and I couldn't venture out much except to a soapy massage place. It was my first visit and the entire fish bowl experience was unique.
However I loved Bangkok a lot more.
[QUOTE=Chacal60;2192106]I just tell the wife I'm going for a massage. Two hours later I've got a spring in my step and my "muscles" rejuvenated, and I take her out for a nice dinner.
She's either naive or understands that I need a little "me time" when we are in Asia together.[/QUOTE]My partner lets me "travel" without any interrogation. As see said Asian ladies are " understanding" and as long as I come home and provide for her then there has been no problem over a long time period. Don't worry she is not a kept woman though.
Like any intelligent person have never smoked so popping out for a massage has been used before even here in Oz and in her home country.
Yes lucky I am, and I'm pretty sure she knows what I am up to.
Gents,
Is it me or has Soi 11 lost its charm? Was there after a 6 months absence and I got to say, I didn't see much action on. Didn't realize Climax closed and those doggy barbershops / massage places good for a quick handjob were shut too. But now Soi 11 seems dead. No more hot ass walking around. Seems like a few new hotels, like Mercure. But otherwise, disappointed. Thoughts? Or maybe just bad timing on my parts.
[QUOTE=NewImage;2192170]My partner lets me "travel" without any interrogation. As see said Asian ladies are " understanding" and as long as I come home and provide for her then there has been no problem over a long time period. Don't worry she is not a kept woman though.
Like any intelligent person have never smoked so popping out for a massage has been used before even here in Oz and in her home country.
Yes lucky I am, and I'm pretty sure she knows what I am up to.[/QUOTE]My wife will never question me about going for a massage particularly when we are in Asia as I have at least a leg massage every day and she will only want one every 3 to 4 days. She is Asian and I think is she suspected me of any wrong doing she would kill me! So be careful with your preconceptions LOL.
Hello Senior gurus,
I have only few hours in BKK. And of course my.
Little jonny is saying # at #% at #. Now its a test for Seniors.
Any creative suggestions.
[QUOTE=HyBuddy;2192308]Hello Senior gurus, I have only few hours in BKK. And of course my Little jonny is saying # at #% at #. Now its a test for Seniors.
Any creative suggestions.[/QUOTE]We had a whole thread on this subject which has disappeared. I posted a report about meeting a "friend" and getting back to the airport in about 5 or 6 hours roundtrip. (I think I was headed to Cambodia.) If you are arriving early morning or late at night, forget it. If you cannot check your luggage through to final destination, forget it. And report back. To date, no one (myself excepted, ahem!) has told us what happened. TTG.
[QUOTE=HyBuddy;2192308]Hello Senior gurus,
I have only few hours in BKK. And of course my.
Little jonny is saying # at #% at #. Now its a test for Seniors.
Any creative suggestions.[/QUOTE]Will there be a time when you will contribute to the forum?
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2192526]Will there be a time when you will contribute to the forum?[/QUOTE]Possibly not, so best to simply ignore such takers. I have realized that I am wasting my time in responding to these types of men hoping there will be a change. Now I spend my time more wisely.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2192526]Will there be a time when you will contribute to the forum?[/QUOTE]He has 5 post all asking similar questions and in one of the post he says people are not responding to him. On top of that he do not have PM facility and he is asking people to send him PM. How bizarre things can be!!
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;2192451]We had a whole thread on this subject which has disappeared. I posted a report about meeting a "friend" and getting back to the airport in about 5 or 6 hours roundtrip. (I think I was headed to Cambodia.) If you are arriving early morning or late at night, forget it. If you cannot check your luggage through to final destination, forget it. And report back. To date, no one (myself excepted, ahem!) has told us what happened. TTG.[/QUOTE]Its okay if you are not able to find the post TTG. And I appreciate you taking a min to respond honestly. At-least you didn't ask me to report my experience on my first future trip to BKK.
I hope responses like the once I received are not discouraging folks from reporting.
[QUOTE=JoeKarnavic;2192534]He has 5 post all asking similar questions and in one of the post he says people are not responding to him. On top of that he do not have PM facility and he is asking people to send him PM. How bizarre things can be!![/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for going thru my posts. However.
I wonder how you could conclude that there was no PM facility.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2192526]Will there be a time when you will contribute to the forum?[/QUOTE]I am hoping for the same BM. First time to alone and that to BKK and REP. So, hoping to collect some experiences this time. Will share if I get a chance to collect some experiences this time.
[QUOTE=JoeKarnavic;2192534]He has 5 post all asking similar questions and in one of the post he says people are not responding to him. On top of that he do not have PM facility and he is asking people to send him PM. How bizarre things can be!![/QUOTE]What is not bizarre and quite predictable is the home country of the gentleman.
Guessing it is like shooting on the Red Cross in a war field.
[QUOTE=HyBuddy;2192308]Hello Senior gurus,
I have only few hours in BKK. And of course my.
Little jonny is saying # at #% at #. Now its a test for Seniors.
Any creative suggestions.[/QUOTE]Yep. Not enough time for Johnny to come out.
Landed last evening, thought of trying wechat nearby feature. This profile Donut caught me and started chatting. She confirmed she is not ladyboy and did a video chat, her voice was alike a lady so I invited her for 1. 5 k ST and if I like then LT for 3 k.
She comes to hotel and almost 5'8" tall with implants. She instantly got naked and asked me to lie down for massage. I asked to check her pussy but she wouldn't allow, just showed me some hairy shit. I insisted to touch and she got angry, I politely asked her to leave and she threatens to call police. I said go ahead and gave her 200 for taxi but she wants 2 k LOL. She almost tried to slap me at my back when I rushed to get the hotel security, when comeback she is gone. We checked everything in room, after comfirming all good the hotel security left. Meanwhile she was calling me from reception downstairs, I said fuck off and she threatens again to call police. When I didn't respond she begs to give 200 for taxi which I offered earlier. I rang the hotel reception to ask her leave and that was it.
WeChat is full of ladyboy shit, if you want to try it's no less than a risk. Guess I am done with the wechat.
Learning: By misfortune or a bad judgement if you are ending up in such a situation, seek help from the hotel security and I'm sure you will be fine. Don't panic and pay-up, you don't deserve this.
Hey,
After a hectic business trip, had taken 4 nights out to monger in Thailand. My friend wanted to stay all the 4 nights in bkk but I prefer patts so 3 nights in patts 1 night in bkk. Hav not started writing patts report hopefully will do t soon.
So we booked our room in soi 11. I had last visited thailand almost 12 months back. Soi 11 was much more energetic then, its all dead now what with climax shut. Anyhow we checkedin around 3 pm from patts. Took a nap showered and headed out around 8 to nep.
NEP was different way different then what I had encountered before. For one I was welcomed with open arms no only members shit, no buy drink first BS. We sat on a open sports bar opposite to the entrance had our customary beers and food and planned our next move. Paid our tabs and moved on to spankys. I remember having visited this place and it was the same like last time, lots f cute spinners and the dance floor gyrating topless, We ordered our drink. I saw a cute 22- 24 yr old on the dance floor I distinctly remembered her smile. Was about to call mamasan for her when another gentleman sitting on the opp side got to her first. Well finders keepers. Anyhow my friend had to go back to his room as he was expecting some important emails. Off he went I was alone. Came out of nep, Came to the main road crossed the signal and went to Grace Hotel. Now Grace hotel has a charm of its own. Brilliant building but what was more brilliant was there were some middle east ladies with their hijaab on standing on the pathway. I was intrigued I always had this on my bucket list and just couldn wait to strike t down. Saw a cutie grinned at her she came to me we spoke and off we went to a short time hotel somewhere nearby. (my hotel was nearby but the night was still young coudn risk a LT scenario). It was awesome seeing the cutie undress. Perfect tities, shapely ass and a navel to die for, yes I have a navel fetish. Anyhow Lots of licking sucking and fucking on the questionable bed occured, we lied satitated. Paid her the 2000 for the ST 700 for the room. Dressed and came out.
Went to my hotel room freshend up and went to Soi Cowboy. I have been once to this place almost 3 years back and have unpleasant memories of the same, But looking at how NEP treated me well thought my luck would change. Cowboy was the same it has not changed much since the last time. I wanted to check baccara first,. And as soon as I tried to enter memories of 2015 came haunting me. I was told on the door that its a members only club and stopped entry. I told the doorman how much do you want me to pay for the membership he refused. Wow so much for a change of heart. Anyhow my friend being the optimist that he is insisted on having a drink before leaving I agreed. He had a corona, I was in no mood for a beer had a ricard and we were just sitting around chatting about where to go next when the mamasan or the waitress not sure asked us why are you guys sitting here go inside. WTF not 1 to push our luck we went inside. Bioth the levels were jam packed. We went to the top level where loads of topless dancers were around. Now I usually don barfine from a gogo, but there was this cute saucy gal with silicones who was 2 good to ignore I motioned her to come over bought her a couple of lds she was sitting on my lap. Now I told her very clearly that I am not looking for boom boom I will be going to infinity from here she said ok take me also, my friend was very clear that he is going to have some calls to be taken and he can't do ST or LT. Anyhow the BF was around 600 and 3000 for ST that was the price. I told her oko will pay and you accompany me to disco. She said that her friend will also come I was okay with that. I paid totally 4 k for both of them and 600 as BF for 1 and some 8 - 10 LDs as well.
Infinity was fun we danced, we got a bottle of JD on the table.
[QUOTE=HyBuddy;2192559]Thanks a lot for going thru my posts. However.
I wonder how you could conclude that there was no PM facility.[/QUOTE]Because you don't have PM, very easy.
Did you pay for subscription, for instance?
I think our fellow BM Joe has not wasted much time in going through your "massive" archive of posts.
Don't worry.
We understand your time is valuable and can't waste in RTFF.
[QUOTE=HyBuddy;2192308]Hello Senior gurus,
I have only few hours in BKK. And of course my.
Little jonny is saying # at #% at #. Now its a test for Seniors.
Any creative suggestions.[/QUOTE]I know the feeling. But how few hours? If over 7 hrs (landing to take off) you can either take the expensive option of booking into airport hotel (advance booking needed) and order in. It works well but costs extra 1,000 baht for travel. Gold and Golden have both proved reliable for this (book in advance, confirm on landing) as has Smooci (book on landing). Alternatively cab or public transport to and from one of well reviewed places around Sukhumvit.
But remember on entry into Thailand in takes some time to get through passport control unless you are VIPed and procedure on way out is certainly not speedy. Can take up to two hours from landing / before takeoff but you could be lucky.
Under 7 hours?
[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2192603]Landed last evening, thought of trying wechat nearby feature. This profile Donut caught me and started chatting. She confirmed she is not ladyboy and did a video chat, her voice was alike a lady so I invited her for 1. 5 k ST and if I like then LT for 3 k.
She comes to hotel and almost 5'8" tall with implants. She instantly got naked and asked me to lie down for massage. I asked to check her pussy but she wouldn't allow, just showed me some hairy shit. I insisted to touch and she got angry, I politely asked her to leave and she threatens to call police. I said go ahead and gave her 200 for taxi but she wants 2 k LOL. She almost tried to slap me at my back when I rushed to get the hotel security, when comeback she is gone. We checked everything in room, after comfirming all good the hotel security left. Meanwhile she was calling me from reception downstairs, I said fuck off and she threatens again to call police. When I didn't respond she begs to give 200 for taxi which I offered earlier. I rang the hotel reception to ask her leave and that was it.
WeChat is full of ladyboy shit, if you want to try it's no less than a risk. Guess I am done with the wechat.
Learning: By misfortune or a bad judgement if you are ending up in such a situation, seek help from the hotel security and I'm sure you will be fine. Don't panic and pay-up, you don't deserve this.[/QUOTE]It is always best, when in doubt, to get security to check their ID. Thai security knows if they are real ladies or LB's. This way you can avoid a bad situation. I always meet them in he lobby or at Holly's coffee shop. But then again I have been fooled, but it was the best blowjob I have ever had. 5555.
RL.
Here's my report from NEP, Top Floor, June 2018.
This was my first visit to Bangkok.
[B]Billboard GoGo[/B]
This place is famous and you see a lot of reviews on it. I went in was seated right in front of the soapy bathtub. Holy crap, smoking' hot ladies. There is also the second 'display' where the Ziggurat are dancing on a circular stage that is slowly rotating. So you can check out the product! I enjoyed that bathtub show for a while but I decided I wanted a lady on my lap. I found some seating around the side, near the rotating display.
I called over the mamasan and asked for a certain number.
Mamasan: Lady drinks or hotel?
Me: Just drinks.
Mamasan: [I](annoyed)[/I] Why not hotel?
Me: I just want drinks.
Mamasan: But not hotel? [I](Really pushy attitude, seems disgusted that I did not want hotel.)[/I].
Me: Because I only want drinks.
Mamasan finds the lady with the number I requested. At this point the mamasan starts hounding me for a 100 THB tip. Well I offered her 50 and she starts getting annoyed, and keeps standing there begging for 100 while the lady is on my lap. Eventually the mamasan accepts the 50 and leaves.
Well the lady's moves were pretty bad, she just sat on my lap and grinded one-dimensionally the whole time. Not very fun or arousing. And that mamasan left a bad taste in my mouth (figuratively speaking!) After this, I paid and left. I did not go back to Billboard. They were just too pushy.
[B]Conclusion:[/B] If you're looking to barfine from a large selection of very hot ladies, this is a good place. But if you are just voyeuristic like me, just try to blend in, go when it's more busy so maybe the staff will have other people to attend to.
[B]Butterflies[/B]
I found they were less pushy than Billboard, but I still liked their selection of Ladies. I had one on my lap for a while and enjoyed my time there.
The pressure was much less than at Billboard and I think this place is worthwhile.
[B]Conclusion:[/B] A pretty decent place in NEP.
[B]Charade (Ladyboys)[/B]
I did not enter Charade, but I should mention their ladyboy promoters in the hallway are pretty aggressive. I told them outright, Ladyboys are not for me. But they kept pestering me, and one of them even said it was not an issue since "she" had already been cut. OK Ladydude, please leave people alone when they say it's not for them!
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2192810]It is always best, when in doubt, to get security to check their ID. Thai security knows if they are real ladies or LB's. This way you can avoid a bad situation. I always meet them in he lobby or at Holly's coffee shop. But then again I have been fooled, but it was the best blowjob I have ever had. 5555.
RL.[/QUOTE]If anybody mongers long enough they are going to encounter the chic / lady boy bait and switch every few years. This can happen anywhere in the world. I have had it happen twice.
First time it was a tense stand off where I had I was visiting what I thought was a female escort in London, turned out to be a ladyboy and the fucker locked the door upon entry so I couldn't get out. It was really sketchy because I could hear someone else in the second room of the apartment, so was thinking pimp or second ladyboy in there. Not an ideal situation. I called the Police and had them on speaker, once she / he heard the police voice ran quickly to the door and unlocked it. I left, told the police I am good and hung up. Threw the prepaid phone out within hours and was out of the country a few days later. Dodged a bullet on that one.
The second was in Australia. Virtually the same thing happened but because I had been through it before was much more relaxed. I very calmly said "for fuck sake you wasted my time in driving over here, now I am going to have to find something else etc". Because I was so matter of fact and pretty clearly not going to put up with any shit the Ladyboy just opened the door where I continued to mutter and swear all the way out into the corridor. The ladyboy even tried to make me be quiet in the corridor to which I just continued with my matter of fact rant about how this was bullshit and a waste of my time etc all the time moving quickly towards the car. I find this works now in most situations, once they smell fear or you hesitate the chances of getting proper fucked go up for every minute you are still in the shitty situation.
Burner Phone / Gmail. I always use a cheap burner phone and a seperate gmail account when communicating with any P4 P action. That also includes ones I have been communicating with for years. Also fuck letting them get anywhere near any social media or similar accounts.
[B]Angel Witch[/B]
A good concept, but I found it kind of annoying in the end due to the way their staff operate to 'coach' the ladies.
I went in here two days in a row, the second time because I got some 95 THB happy hour drink coupon, which was honored without a fuss. (Lady drinks still full price. The 95 TBH was for the first drink only.).
When you ask for a dancer to sit with you, a staff member comes and sits right in front of you, within an arm's reach, watching your interactions, constantly talking to the lady and giving her instructions on what to do and when to ask for lady drinks. This same staff member kept lifting up my beer to verify there was actually beer left in the bottle. (You can't see the bottom because of the beer cozy).
The same 'coach' remembered me the second time, (I was wearing the same loud shirt,) and he was trying to get a lady drink out of me. I offered him a 100 THB tip instead. He was happy for that and it's also cheaper than LD prices.
They're also strategic here in giving you the right change to tip them, if you're not paying exact change.
Conclusion: The way they scrutinize you as you interact with the ladies is creepy and annoying. I do not plan to come back.
[B]Spanky's[/B]
One of the more enjoyable places on the second floor. It's a smaller and more intimate place, with a darker room. This makes it harder for staff to come and hassle you for drinks, especially if you pick a good seat location.
I really loved the shower show. The lady is inside this plastic shower, soaping herself up. Starts in a swimsuit, ends up wearing nothing.
I didn't ask for any dancer to sit with me but I wasn't hassled at all either.
Conclusion: Good place to come back. Verify at the door when the shower show will start!
[B]Twister Bar[/B]
I had a good time here and wasn't hassled too much.
Sorry, I was pretty drunk at this point and don't remember too much about what went on.
This was my first time visiting Bangkok, with several trips to Soi Cowboy.
[B]RawHide[/B]
I was recommended by a friend (a Thailand vet) to go in here, and it was my first time ever in a GoGo bar. I was still kind of shy about going into this kind of establishment.
It was only around 8 PM, and I allowed the front door ladies to coax me in. To my shock I was the only guy in the place! The mamasan talked to me and I stated that I was interested in drinks and no barfine. The mamasan immediately brought a lady over to sit with me (even though I didn't request or call a number).
I guess this was the top lady in there as she was super-hot. I probably would have picked her anyway. I'd say 10/10 face and 7.5/10 body. I bought her a drink. She immediately got on top of me and was, ahem, extremely persuasive with her body. All this time, the whole contingent of dancers was gyrating right in front of shy little me.
The lady on my lap kept trying to talk me into going 'upstairs' with her, even though I had said drinks only to the mamasan. The dancers were also yelling at me, cheering me on. This lady was an expert at being persuasive with her body, and it seemed like there were no limits on where I could put my hands. Let's just say I was extremely tempted, but I am only a drinks guy.
In the end I paid the bin and left. The lady who was on my lap confronts me outside, asking for 100 THB tip because she needs it for the taxi. I denied her, telling her that she's the only one in there making money because of me. The lady grabs me, tries to be like a futbol goalkeeper, blocking my path repeatedly. I eventually got by her and she kicked me in the butt as I walked away.
Conclusion: I don't want to return here anytime soon due to the bad attitude of this one lady.
[B]Baccara[/B]
So this bar is reputed as being mainly for the Japanese clientele, and I agree with that description. The prices are also expensive.
Drinks (not Lady Drink) are 220 THB, and you must buy one before you enter.
The main draw here is the multi-level transparent dance floor, where you can look up at the underwear-less dancers upstairs.
To be honest, I did not find the ladies here to be very attractive. I am from North America, and perhaps they ladies are attractive from a Japanese perspective. This place had a large number of ladies all having this super-petite elfin kind of look. No good dancers, they were all in there doing the Bangkok shuffle, barely moving.
The second and third floors seemed more relaxed. But the transparent floors gimmick gets old pretty fast.
Conclusion: Not for me. Will not return.
[B]Suzie Wong[/B]
I allowed the promoters in front to usher me in, and it was kind of awkward. It's a small place with about 5 dancers onstage. I was the only guy in here.
I did not find the dancers very attractive, and they all seemed kind of depressed, probably due to the lack of customer action. I almost didn't want to look up at them. I finished my drink quickly and paid and left.
Conclusion: Maybe return at a busier time.
[B]Tilac[/B]
A big place with a large selection of quite attractive ladies. You can also get drinks out front and you don't have to buy Lady Drinks if you don't want. Pretty easy going with the mamasan. She actually started coaching me in the Thai pronunciations of certain touristic spots I had visited!
Inside, the dancers are on platforms all over the place, and you can't view them all from any one sitting location. It's like a bonanza in there with all the hot ladies!
The downside is that they're fairly uptight on what you can do after you buy a Lady Drink. Many other places, you can get a handful of boob, but here, she says: "If you want to massage me, you have to pay the bar!" OK, fine. She is cut off after 1 lady drink.
Conclusion: Good place for drinks or if you want to barfine. But if you just want to get frisky during Lady Drinks, it is not a good choice.
[B]Five Star[/B]
A very small place and I didn't even see it during my first few visits to Cowboy.
The stage is pretty small, and the seating is small and intimate. About half the ladies were nude dancing!! Some of them were indeed lookers, and I invited one over. She slipped on this little black frock thing (no underwear) and joined me. Let's just say they are very liberal on what you can do here. By the second Lady Drink, I think she forgot to ask for more drinks. Her eyes were closed and she had a big grin on her face, and my hands were visiting places that normally require barfines! Yes, I had a big grin too!
Zero pressure on tips, or buy drinks for mamasan, etc.
Conclusion: I definitely enjoyed my time here and want to go back.
[B]Lighthouse[/B]
It's a small to medium size place. It just seems to be a typical GoGo Bar, but I liked the dancers. They also have coyote dancers here, who are identified by different wristband colours. IIRC, the regular barfine is 700 and for coyote it is 1200.
More of the dancers here seemed to be having a good time and have a good attitude. Dancers on stage were receptive to receiving the long eye contact and smiling, and responded well with more sexy dance moves right in front of me.
Next thing you know, I have two ladies sitting in my lap and we're having a crazy good time!
Very little pressure on tips, buying drinks for mamasan, etc.
The only downside I can report is that the dancer sitting in your lap will always get back up on stage for her next dancing shift. It affected me because I told the mamasan a certain number, but it turned out that dancer already had another customer waiting for her.
Conclusion: I definitely enjoyed my time here and want to go back.
[B]Crazy House[/B]
This place is just around the corner from Soi Cowboy, on Soi 23.
This place is run by [B]Disgusting pigs[/B].
They wanted a 500 THB cover charge from me, a visible minority. I tried entering on 2 separate days, and it was the same thing.
But I stuck around in the area, and talked to numerous other white European men exiting Crazy House. Not a single one of them had to pay anything to get in.
I believe it is only due to my 'wrong' skin colour that they were trying to keep me out. I told them my home country (in North America) and the bouncer didn't care. And it is the truth, I'm born and bred in North America.
[QUOTE=Jake251;2192902]
Mamasan: But not hotel? [I](Really pushy attitude, seems disgusted that I did not want hotel.)[/I].[/QUOTE]Was this a rather large and tall be*tch? I may have experienced her in November 2016. Same thing: I was there for a drink or two and the eye candy. She came over, introduced herself, then started grabbing random girls and shoving them onto the bench next to me. Made for a short, unpleasant five minute visit. And of course she wanted a tip from me as well. Didn't happen.
[QUOTE=United1;2192174]Gents,
Is it me or has Soi 11 lost its charm? Was there after a 6 months absence and I got to say, I didn't see much action on. Didn't realize Climax closed and those doggy barbershops / massage places good for a quick handjob were shut too. But now Soi 11 seems dead. No more hot ass walking around. Seems like a few new hotels, like Mercure. But otherwise, disappointed. Thoughts? Or maybe just bad timing on my parts.[/QUOTE]I concur. Did not really have all that good a time staying staying in the Soi 11 area last trip (March). Levels and Insanity absolutely sucked and there are not as many girls on the street as I remember in years past. Thermae was OK though and I did hook up with a very nice girl form there that I'd definitely repeat if I can find her Line ID in my phone. 555.
Fortunately Banana Boi came to the rescue dragging me out to Patpong where I had a lot of fun at King's castle, BFing an absolute cutie on 2 consecutive nights.
Next trip I May skip staying in the Sukh and try out Patpong. Just for a change of pace if nothing else. Added bonus is that its clearer and food options seem better.
Anyone have any news on Kings Castle? They were in the middle of some kind of move/remodeling deal last time.
In Korea its arond 3 to 4 dollar. Nothing brand named but still gets the job done.
I'm wondering if the costs is the same. Once again nothing brand named. Even the cheapest would do.
Thanks.
How can you control yourself after feeling up a 10/10 Jake?
Your reports offer a different perspective of a voyeur, quite interesting feedback on all the clubs.
[QUOTE=Jake251;2193126]This was my first time visiting Bangkok, with several trips to Soi Cowboy.
[B]RawHide[/B]
I was recommended by a friend (a Thailand vet) to go in here, and it was my first time ever in a GoGo bar. I was still kind of shy about going into this kind of establishment.
It was only around 8 PM, and I allowed the front door ladies to coax me in. To my shock I was the only guy in the place! The mamasan talked to me and I stated that I was interested in drinks and no barfine. The mamasan immediately brought a lady over to sit with me (even though I didn't request or call a number).
I guess this was the top lady in there as she was super-hot. I probably would have picked her anyway. I'd say 10/10 face and 7.5/10 body. I bought her a drink. She immediately got on top of me and was, ahem, extremely persuasive with her body. All this time, the whole contingent of dancers was gyrating right in front of shy little me.
The lady on my lap kept trying to talk me into going 'upstairs' with her, even though I had said drinks only to the mamasan. The dancers were also yelling at me, cheering me on. This lady was an expert at being persuasive with her body, and it seemed like there were no limits on where I could put my hands. Let's just say I was extremely tempted, but I am only a drinks guy.
In the end I paid the bin and left. The lady who was on my lap confronts me outside, asking for 100 THB tip because she needs it for the taxi. I denied her, telling her that she's the only one in there making money because of me. The lady grabs me, tries to be like a futbol goalkeeper, blocking my path repeatedly. I eventually got by her and she kicked me in the butt as I walked away.
Conclusion: I don't want to return here anytime soon due to the bad attitude of this one lady.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2192682]Because you don't have PM, very easy.
Did you pay for subscription, for instance?[/QUOTE]I always assumed you had to be a senior member for the PM system as well, but lately I was corrected that this is not the case (anymore). Regular members can use the PM system too.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/faq.php?faq=member_type_questions#faq_membership_type_questions_01[/URL]
"Regular Members may post reports, view and upload photographs, and use the private message system."
[QUOTE=Jake251;2193126]This was my first time visiting Bangkok, with several trips to Soi Cowboy.
[B]RawHide[/B]
I was recommended by a friend (a Thailand vet) to go in here, and it was my first time ever in a GoGo bar. I was still kind of shy about going into this kind of establishment.
It was only around 8 PM, and I allowed the front door ladies to coax me in. To my shock I was the only guy in the place! The mamasan talked to me and I stated that I was interested in drinks and no barfine. The mamasan immediately brought a lady over to sit with me (even though I didn't request or call a number).
I guess this was the top lady in there as she was super-hot. I probably would have picked her anyway. I'd say 10/10 face and 7.5/10 body. I bought her a drink. She immediately got on top of me and was, ahem, extremely persuasive with her body. All this time, the whole contingent of dancers was gyrating right in front of shy little me.
The lady on my lap kept trying to talk me into going 'upstairs' with her, even though I had said drinks only to the mamasan. The dancers were also yelling at me, cheering me on. This lady was an expert at being persuasive with her body, and it seemed like there were no limits on where I could put my hands. Let's just say I was extremely tempted, but I am only a drinks guy.
In the end I paid the bin and left. The lady who was on my lap confronts me outside, asking for 100 THB tip because she needs it for the taxi. I denied her, telling her that she's the only one in there making money because of me. The lady grabs me, tries to be like a futbol goalkeeper, blocking my path repeatedly. I eventually got by her and she kicked me in the butt as I walked away.
Conclusion: I don't want to return here anytime soon due to the bad attitude of this one lady.
[/QUOTE]While I in no way condone the girl's behavior towards you outside the bar, if it had been me enjoying a particular bar girl's attention and getting randy with her in the bar; I would have tipped her 100 or 200 baht during check bin time and told her I would be seeing her again in the near future. That is if she really was as hot as you say and I liked her. Then everything would have remained friendly and set up nicely for my next visit and eventual barfine. Meeting sexy girls and shagging them is the primary reason I go to Go Go's. I don't visit Go Go's to listen to the music or to imbibe quality drinks. 555. There are other much better bars for that. Do as you please, but in this case, I think you qualify as a cheap Charlie. Remember going forward, you reap what you sow in BKK.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2193289]I always assumed you had to be a senior member for the PM system as well, but lately I was corrected that this is not the case (anymore). Regular members can use the PM system too.[/QUOTE]If in doubt just click on the poster's name.
If "Private Message" comes up in the drop-down list of items then you can send them a PM.
If it's not there, then the poster is not a "member". HyBuddy cannot send or receive PMs.
[QUOTE=Oosik;2193142]Was this a rather large and tall be*tch? I may have experienced her in November 2016. Same thing: I was there for a drink or two and the eye candy. She came over, introduced herself, then started grabbing random girls and shoving them onto the bench next to me. Made for a short, unpleasant five minute visit. And of course she wanted a tip from me as well. Didn't happen.[/QUOTE]Regarding the Billboard GoGo Mamasan, the description matches. Quite fat and big grey witch-like hair.
[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2193253]How can you control yourself after feeling up a 10/10 Jake?
Your reports offer a different perspective of a voyeur, quite interesting feedback on all the clubs.[/QUOTE]My fear of diseases is consistently stronger than my sexual urges.
Condoms don't protect against everything. Also, condoms can break.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2193305]While I in no way condone the girl's behavior towards you outside the bar, if it had been me enjoying a particular bar girl's attention and getting randy with her in the bar; I would have tipped her 100 or 200 baht during check bin time and told her I would be seeing her again in the near future. That is if she really was as hot as you say and I liked her. Then everything would have remained friendly and set up nicely for my next visit and eventual barfine. Meeting sexy girls and shagging them is the primary reason I go to Go Go's. I don't visit Go Go's to listen to the music or to imbibe quality drinks. 555. There are other much better bars for that. Do as you please, but in this case, I think you qualify as a cheap Charlie. Remember going forward, you reap what you sow in BKK.[/QUOTE]This was my first time ever in a GoGo, and I was way out of my depth. Also, some other rather shocking and hilarious things happened during this encounter, which I won't mention here because they are so specific and unique. I don't want this post to be personally identifiable. So I can assure you my brain wasn't doing anything useful by the end of this encounter.
But knowing what I know now, I would have tipped her for sure. Her physical 'persuasive services' were tops for sure compared to any other GoGo dancer I met during my entire trip. Actually they kind of set an impossibly high bar, and I was a bit disappointed with the limits set by dancers at some of the other GoGos.
[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2193253]How can you control yourself after feeling up a 10/10 Jake?
Your reports offer a different perspective of a voyeur, quite interesting feedback on all the clubs.[/QUOTE]He must be immune to the "blue balls syndrome".
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2193305]While I in no way condone the girl's behavior towards you outside the bar, if it had been me enjoying a particular bar girl's attention and getting randy with her in the bar; I would have tipped her 100 or 200 baht during check bin time and told her I would be seeing her again in the near future. That is if she really was as hot as you say and I liked her. Then everything would have remained friendly and set up nicely for my next visit and eventual barfine. Meeting sexy girls and shagging them is the primary reason I go to Go Go's. I don't visit Go Go's to listen to the music or to imbibe quality drinks. 555. There are other much better bars for that. Do as you please, but in this case, I think you qualify as a cheap Charlie. Remember going forward, you reap what you sow in BKK.[/QUOTE]The guy, evidently, thinks a bar provides all that for a mere 100 baht return from the mark up of a couple of drinks.
I am wondering what these guys do in their working life.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2193336]The guy, evidently, thinks a bar provides all that for a mere 100 baht return from the mark up of a couple of drinks.
I am wondering what these guys do in their working life.[/QUOTE]It was my first time in a GoGo Bar and I was in way over my head. I had no idea what are the norms.
Knowing what I know now, I would have tipped her.
But she should not have kicked me in any eventuality.
And yes, as I got accustomed to how it all works, I did tip various other GoGo ladies and other staff at other bars.
[QUOTE=Jake251;2193126]This was my first time visiting Bangkok, with several trips to Soi Cowboy.
[B]RawHide[/B]
I was recommended by a friend (a Thailand vet) to go in here, and it was my first time ever in a GoGo bar. I was still kind of shy about going into this kind of establishment.
It was only around 8 PM, and I allowed the front door ladies to coax me in. To my shock I was the only guy in the place! The mamasan talked to me and I stated that I was interested in drinks and no barfine. The mamasan immediately brought a lady over to sit with me (even though I didn't request or call a number).
I guess this was the top lady in there as she was super-hot. I probably would have picked her anyway. I'd say 10/10 face and 7.5/10 body. I bought her a drink. She immediately got on top of me and was, ahem, extremely persuasive with her body. All this time, the whole contingent of dancers was gyrating right in front of shy little me.
The lady on my lap kept trying to talk me into going 'upstairs' with her, even though I had said drinks only to the mamasan. The dancers were also yelling at me, cheering me on. This lady was an expert at being persuasive with her body, and it seemed like there were no limits on where I could put my hands. Let's just say I was extremely tempted, but I am only a drinks guy.[/QUOTE]Jake,
First of all thanks for the posts. Good, interesting read. As you said, you are new to this. Understand that these places exist for one purpose only- to bar fine out as many girls as possible. And every lady drink is presumably a prelude to possible bar fine. So it is totally unsurprising to most of us that your "look only" attitude was not met with much enthusiasm. And when you get very touchy feely with a girl and then neither tip nor bar fine, outrage may occur. They are not giving the lap dances for free- again, they hope to persuade you. You can of course say "well, they offered" but I think it's a bit of taking advantage honestly.
I would not be at all surprised if the large cover at CH had nothing to do with your race (other than you are easy to identify) but rather the word getting around that you are going to waste girls time for little money. Sorry to be a bit harsh, because you are a newbie, but voyeurs who are maximizing the stretch of a baht are indeed not favored.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2193392]First of all thanks for the posts. Good, interesting read. As you said, you are new to this. Understand that these places exist for one purpose only- to bar fine out as many girls as possible. And every lady drink is presumably a prelude to possible bar fine. So it is totally unsurprising to most of us that your "look only" attitude was not met with much enthusiasm. And when you get very touchy feely with a girl and then neither tip nor bar fine, outrage may occur. They are not giving the lap dances for free- again, they hope to persuade you. You can of course say "well, they offered" but I think it's a bit of taking advantage honestly.
I would not be at all surprised if the large cover at CH had nothing to do with your race (other than you are easy to identify) but rather the word getting around that you are going to waste girls time for little money. Sorry to be a bit harsh, because you are a newbie, but voyeurs who are maximizing the stretch of a baht are indeed not favored.[/QUOTE]At Steve.
Thanks for your comments.
I should point out that at RawHide, I specifically told the mamasan up front that it was for drinks only, not barfine. Why would they even bring the dancer over if she was only going for barfine? Maybe they would be disappointed in the end, but I don't see why they would be outraged when I told them upfront what I was doing.
Regardless, I admit it was a mistake to not tip her. And as I figured things out in the following days, I did tip many other dancers, bar staff, etc.
As for Crazy House, if you look at their reviews on Google Maps, there are many other reports of selective race-based 500 THB cover charges. I'm quite sure I was a victim of having the 'wrong' skin colour.
This is not high season. Most of the venues I visited were *not* packed, so they should at least let in customers to buy drinks. (In high season, I understand they don't want "drinks only" customers.) In low season, why not just keep the customers, as long as they're buying drinks? It's revenue.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2193392]Jake,
First of all thanks for the posts. Good, interesting read. As you said, you are new to this. Understand that these places exist for one purpose only- to bar fine out as many girls as possible. And every lady drink is presumably a prelude to possible bar fine. So it is totally unsurprising to most of us that your "look only" attitude was not met with much enthusiasm. And when you get very touchy feely with a girl and then neither tip nor bar fine, outrage may occur. They are not giving the lap dances for free- again, they hope to persuade you. You can of course say "well, they offered" but I think it's a bit of taking advantage honestly.
I would not be at all surprised if the large cover at CH had nothing to do with your race (other than you are easy to identify) but rather the word getting around that you are going to waste girls time for little money. Sorry to be a bit harsh, because you are a newbie, but voyeurs who are maximizing the stretch of a baht are indeed not favored.[/QUOTE]I really doubt that girls from the others bars in Soi Cowboy warned the door guys at CH to not let him in without paying a cover. In fact, many of the bars in Soi Cowboy are geared towards the lady drink model only with few to no barfines hapenning. Jake fits the type of customer that business model applies to and as we just read, he had good times in Soi Cowboy but in Nana where the barfine is key, he didn't have a good time. From my field data, only CH, Baccara, Sharks, amd Suzy Wong, are almost 100% Bar fine bars, and the rest are about 50/50.
[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;2193246]In Korea its arond 3 to 4 dollar. Nothing brand named but still gets the job done.
I'm wondering if the costs is the same. Once again nothing brand named. Even the cheapest would do.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]In my case it cost me about 24,000 Baht to visit Thailand and I can only go once if lucky twice a year. It is a big investment of time and money and the last thing I worry about is how much I pay for lube! I usually buy KY before I leave and I'm happy with the knowledge that I have when I need it. This is a little bit like travel insurance, if you can't afford it you really can't afford to go.
[QUOTE=Jake251;2193421]I should point out that at RawHide, I specifically told the mamasan up front that it was for drinks only, not barfine. Why would they even bring the dancer over if she was only going for barfine? Maybe they would be disappointed in the end, but I don't see why they would be outraged when I told them upfront what I was doing.[/QUOTE]I really did enjoyed your report, it was like being a fly on the wall during your hazy trip through Bangkok. Kudos to you. There are many reports on the bars here but I guess little on how they work in regards getting the most on the experience. Here is my 2 cents on your specific comment and mistake above.
A lot of guys think the gogo bars are like strip joints back home, this is not the case, they don't want people sitting there just drinking all night. Think of them more like brothels but where as you only have say 5 minutes to make a choice in most countries in a GoGo bar think of this window being extended to say 30 to 60 minutes They want you to buy a couple of drinks, buy a couple of lady drinks and then barfine the girl and get out of there, the mamasan will also try and gouge a tip. All part of the model. While you are drinking they will constantly check if you have any thing left in your glass, there is a non defined time limit on how long you can sit on your drink If you want to deviate from this model you will need to tip people along the way or at least be happy to buy lady drinks as you are going along.
By telling her that you were only going to have a few drinks was a signal to her that you are a customer that they don't want in the club, doesn't matter if the club was packed or empty. Hence she was pushing you to either change your mind or leave. They are quite brutal in enforcing this model. You got the message and left.
[QUOTE=RedKilt;2193321]If in doubt just click on the poster's name.
If "Private Message" comes up in the drop-down list of items then you can send them a PM.
If it's not there, then the poster is not a "member". HyBuddy cannot send or receive PMs.[/QUOTE]You are right. However in the FAQ it is stated that regular members can use the private message system. HyBuddy is a regular member so I don't get it.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2193506]You are right. However in the FAQ it is stated that regular members can use the private message system. HyBuddy is a regular member so I don't get it.[/QUOTE]Yes, regular members can use the PM system but they must buy a subscription to do so.
Driving home on the bike today I noticed a sign on a Japanese Karaoke advertising salaries from 20 k-50 k per month. If you are making that then there is no need to go with customers. P4 P used to be just that; P4 P. There was a small salary and some money from drinks, but the gals money was made from going with customers. In many instances, that is no longer the case now. And is exactly the problem for punters.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2193546]Driving home on the bike today I noticed a sign on a Japanese Karaoke advertising salaries from 20 k-50 k per month. If you are making that then there is no need to go with customers. P4 P used to be just that; P4 P. There was a small salary and some money from drinks, but the gals money was made from going with customers. In many instances, that is no longer the case now. And is exactly the problem for punters.[/QUOTE]Question is how are they affording those salaries? Evidently a front for some other shady business proceeds!
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2193392]And every lady drink is presumably a prelude to possible bar fine. So it is totally unsurprising to most of us that your "look only" attitude was not met with much enthusiasm. And when you get very touchy feely with a girl and then neither tip nor bar fine, outrage may occur. They are not giving the lap dances for free- again, they hope to persuade you. You can of course say "well, they offered" but I think it's a bit of taking advantage honestly.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but purpose of all such venues is to make money by providing what the customer wants. The customer is one holding the purse, be it for drinks, looking around, having a decent time with the girls or barfining. Their job is to entertain us, it's not the customer's job to be highly attuned to their needs and throw heaps money at them in return for rather mediocre, borderline unpleasant attitude. Drink prices are already high enough as it is, you can have a decent dinner for the price of just one or two drinks in some agogo bars. If they're rude or standoffish, they deserve no business.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2193289]I always assumed you had to be a senior member for the PM system as well, but lately I was corrected that this is not the case (anymore). Regular members can use the PM system too.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/faq.php?faq=member_type_questions#faq_membership_type_questions_01[/URL]
"Regular Members may post reports, view and upload photographs, and use the private message system."[/QUOTE]As a regular member, I can't view photos (though it looks like I am able to upload photos) or use the private message system (can't send, doesn't look like I can receive pm's either).
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2193546]Driving home on the bike today I noticed a sign on a Japanese Karaoke advertising salaries from 20 k-50 k per month. If you are making that then there is no need to go with customers. P4 P used to be just that; P4 P. There was a small salary and some money from drinks, but the gals money was made from going with customers. In many instances, that is no longer the case now. And is exactly the problem for punters.[/QUOTE]I've seen these signs before (never that high though) and I always thought the meaning was "Earn up to" that amount. Not that they were going to pay the girls that much but that they could earn that if they went with customers.
Hmm. Have not seen either, yet.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2193546]Driving home on the bike today..... salaries from 20 k-50 k per month[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2193305]if it had been me enjoying a particular bar girl's attention and getting randy with her in the bar; I would have tipped her 100 or 200 baht during check bin time and told her I would be seeing her again in the near future. That is if she really was as hot as you say and I liked her. [/QUOTE]Absolutely agree with this. If you had a good time with a girl at a bar you should tip her 100 or 200 baht if you liked her and got some mileage. Remember the girl only makes 50 baht per drink.
I read a few reports suggesting that they have changed their model to imitate what was happening in some bars in NEP particularly Rainbow 1.
So it is official now? Or it depends on how busy they are?
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2193691]Sorry, but purpose of all such venues is to make money by providing what the customer wants. The customer is one holding the purse, be it for drinks, looking around, having a decent time with the girls or barfining. Their job is to entertain us, it's not the customer's job to be highly attuned to their needs and throw heaps money at them in return for rather mediocre, borderline unpleasant attitude. Drink prices are already high enough as it is, you can have a decent dinner for the price of just one or two drinks in some agogo bars. If they're rude or standoffish, they deserve no business.[/QUOTE]Excellent sensible post. They are in it to make money, I don't mind paying a certain cover charge or buying a drink in advance before entering but it also does not mean I am visiting such places to throw away money. I used to like Bacara and always made it a point to.
1. Order drink ASAP.
2. Never sit there w / o a drink or take too long to order next one.
3. Never waste anyone's time in senseless silly talking or putting my paws on anyone.
But now, it seems pendulum has swung the other way, they refuse entry even if you are buying drink before entering. Some Thai businesses are difficult to understand.
This is not a response to anyone post but just to add to the general discussion.
As a small business owner myself we make our money off the top 20% of our customers, customers that are relatively hassle free, are professional and make high value purchases. The next 65% of customers we make some money, but not as much as the top tier group but it is a profitable group and usually good people that are easy and a pleasure to deal with. I thoroughly enjoy dealing with the overwhelming majority of our customers.
The bottom 15% of customers we make nothing and they tend to think that we are there to serve their every whim which eats up more time and more resources than the top 20%, we lose money on this group and they cause more hassle than they are worth. They also are a downer on our staff with constant unreasonably demands and complaints that no reasonable person would make, morale killers basically. We actively try and get rid of the bottom 15% of our customer database, we are polite in dealing with them but our ultimate goal with this bunch is to move them to another company.
The term "the customer is always right" was coined about 100 years ago, you can google the origin and why it came about but it has not been a business model for 50 years or more.
A gogo bar doesn't want customers to sit on their own and just drink. The girls and bar earn nothing this way. Most importantly if the best girls are not earning money they will move somewhere else to where they do.
Ultimately if you want the best out of any gogo bar you to be at least aware of what they expect. I know dealing with this industry worldwide is not exactly the easiest but the odd THB 100 here (US $3) and there is all that is needed to keep everyone happy and ensure a good time by all.
[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2193804]This is not a response to anyone post but just to add to the general discussion.
As a small business owner myself we make our money off the top 20% of our customers, customers that are relatively hassle free, are professional and make high value purchases. The next 65% of customers we make some money, but not as much as the top tier group but it is a profitable group and usually good people that are easy and a pleasure to deal with. I thoroughly enjoy dealing with the overwhelming majority of our customers.
The bottom 15% of customers we make nothing and they tend to think that we are there to serve their every whim which eats up more time and more resources than the top 20%, we lose money on this group and they cause more hassle than they are worth. They also are a downer on our staff with constant unreasonably demands and complaints that no reasonable person would make, morale killers basically. We actively try and get rid of the bottom 15% of our customer database, we are polite in dealing with them but our ultimate goal with this bunch is to move them to another company.
The term "the customer is always right" was coined about 100 years ago, you can google the origin and why it came about but it has not been a business model for 50 years or more.
A gogo bar doesn't want customers to sit on their own and just drink. The girls and bar earn nothing this way. Most importantly if the best girls are not earning money they will move somewhere else to where they do.
Ultimately if you want the best out of any gogo bar you to be at least aware of what they expect. I know dealing with this industry worldwide is not exactly the easiest but the odd THB 100 here (US $3) and there is all that is needed to keep everyone happy and ensure a good time by all.[/QUOTE]Many good points there. But, to further the discussion with regard to the supposed go-go bar business of enticing (or is the better word here "expecting"?) the customer to buy Lady Drinks and pay a barfine to take a girl for sex, as I look around the bars from opening to closing, I would be surprised if as high a percentage as 20% of customers who routinely enter a go-go bar do this instead of sitting with their own drink. I'm guessing if as many as 10% of the customers who enter "XYZ" go-go bar bought Lady Drinks and/or barfined out the girls it would be a very successful bar indeed. In fact, such a bar would probably be tapped out of all girls by 10-11PM or so except for the ones who were by then returning from their first or second barfine. And we know there is virtually no go-go bar in Bangkok or Pattaya where that happens.
And on the other side, I would be rather shocked to discover that as much as 15% of the customers who pass through their doorway make a fuss, complain about everything, depress the staff and so on. Maybe, what, 2% at most? I would submit the "65%" in the middle that you stated you still make money on in your business is probably more like 85-90% in the typical go-go bar.
I know you were not saying the percentages that your business experienced would or ought to be about the same for a go-go bar. But if your winning 20% of good customers by your definition was reduced so that only 10% or less of the customers who you deal with were inspired enough by the product or service you offered to actually lay out money for it rather than standing there immobile and uninspired to make the decision to buy and ultimately deciding an hour or more later to move on to the next shop, wouldn't you suspect maybe you ought to take a look at the quality and value of the product or service you offered as the likely culprit for your failure to close the deal more often than that rather than blame the customers?
[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2193804]The bottom 15% of customers we make nothing and they tend to think that we are there to serve their every whim which eats up more time and more resources than the top 20%, we lose money on this group and they cause more hassle than they are worth. (...)
A gogo bar doesn't want customers to sit on their own and just drink. The girls and bar earn nothing.[/QUOTE]Don't know what kind of bar you're running and how, but for your typical Gogo bar this is nonsense. Even if I order just one beer and sit there for hours you're making some profit. What do I cost you exactly? Your business is mainly a fixed-cost business; all the staff, lights, music, etc. Will be there and cost you with or without me sitting there. It's not that you're running at 100% capacity and I am stealing a seat that otherwise a high-value customer could take. Quite the opposite, me sitting there plus some of my buddies who also order one beer only, your place looks much more interesting from outside than if it is half empty. It's also not like you're going to hire ten waitresses or dancers more because of me; they are there anyways running at 70-80% capacity. I am good for your business because I increase your fixed cost degreassion. Maybe I use the toilet once or twice, so feel free to deduct that bit of water, toilet paper, and soap from the beer's profit margin. The boring-one-beer-visitor is still a profitable segment.
[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2193804]Most importantly if the best girls are not earning money they will move somewhere else to where they do.[/QUOTE]And somewhere else that customer segment does not exist?
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2192810]It is always best, when in doubt, to get security to check their ID. Thai security knows if they are real ladies or LB's. This way you can avoid a bad situation. I always meet them in he lobby or at Holly's coffee shop. But then again I have been fooled, but it was the best blowjob I have ever had. 5555.
RL.[/QUOTE]The hotel reception did call me, but I said to let her in. I had not been laid for a month or so due to which forgot to do the basic maths.
I am ok with whatever happened, it's just that I wasted precious 2-3 hrs in the evening. However, lesson learnt. I will be very careful next time.
[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2192977]If anybody mongers long enough they are going to encounter the chic / lady boy bait and switch every few years. This can happen anywhere in the world. I have had it happen twice.
First time it was a tense stand off where I had I was visiting what I thought was a female escort in London, turned out to be a ladyboy and the fucker locked the door upon entry so I couldn't get out. It was really sketchy because I could hear someone else in the second room of the apartment, so was thinking pimp or second ladyboy in there. Not an ideal situation. I called the Police and had them on speaker, once she / he heard the police voice ran quickly to the door and unlocked it. I left, told the police I am good and hung up. Threw the prepaid phone out within hours and was out of the country a few days later. Dodged a bullet on that one.
The second was in Australia. Virtually the same thing happened but because I had been through it before was much more relaxed. I very calmly said "for fuck sake you wasted my time in driving over here, now I am going to have to find something else etc". Because I was so matter of fact and pretty clearly not going to put up with any shit the Ladyboy just opened the door where I continued to mutter and swear all the way out into the corridor. The ladyboy even tried to make me be quiet in the corridor to which I just continued with my matter of fact rant about how this was bullshit and a waste of my time etc all the time moving quickly towards the car. I find this works now in most situations, once they smell fear or you hesitate the chances of getting proper fucked go up for every minute you are still in the shitty situation..[/QUOTE]Every word is true mate!
She first asked me money telling she knows someone in police and would call. When I said go ahead she was numb, all the time I was trying to be polite. But when she wouldn't leave and start attacking what choice do we have left! Even while leaving the room she tried taking a photo of me. I was lucky to have all my valuables locked up in the locker otherwise you can't be sure she leaving with one of your items. However, it's always better to ask them upfront and ask the hotel reception to check their ID if you are in Thailand.
[QUOTE=DeathWish;2192638]Hey,
After a hectic business trip, had taken 4 nights out to monger in Thailand. My friend wanted to stay all the 4 nights in bkk but I prefer patts so 3 nights in patts 1 night in bkk. Hav not started writing patts report hopefully will do t soon.
So we booked our room in soi 11. I had last visited thailand almost 12 months back. Soi 11 was much more energetic then, its all dead now what with climax shut. Anyhow we checkedin around 3 pm from patts. Took a nap showered and headed out around 8 to nep.
NEP was different way different then what I had encountered before. For one I was welcomed with open arms no only members shit, no buy drink first BS. We sat on a open sports bar opposite to the entrance had our customary beers and food and planned our next move. Paid our tabs and moved on to spankys. I remember having visited this place and it was the same like last time, lots f cute spinners and the dance floor gyrating topless, We ordered our drink. I saw a cute 22- 24 yr old on the dance floor I distinctly remembered her smile. Was about to call mamasan for her when another gentleman sitting on the opp side got to her first. Well finders keepers. Anyhow my friend had to go back to his room as he was expecting some important emails. Off he went I was alone. Came out of nep, Came to the main road crossed the signal and went to Grace Hotel. Now Grace hotel has a charm of its own. Brilliant building but what was more brilliant was there were some middle east ladies with their hijaab on standing on the pathway. I was intrigued I always had this on my bucket list and just couldn wait to strike t down. Saw a cutie grinned at her she came to me we spoke and off we went to a short time hotel somewhere nearby. (my hotel was nearby but the night was still young coudn risk a LT scenario). It was awesome seeing the cutie undress. Perfect tities, shapely ass and a navel to die for, yes I have a navel fetish. Anyhow Lots of licking sucking and fucking on the questionable bed occured, we lied satitated..[/QUOTE]I was in the same floor you guys were. I saw you guys having fun. I do agree Baccara used to be a racist club until end of 2016, but looks like they have changed their attitude towards customers. However, we also can't rule out the fact that it's low season and they might have opened their doors to anyone looking wealthy. You had fun that's what matters the most. Good luck!
[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2193973] I do agree Baccara used to be a racist club until end of 2016, but looks like they have changed their attitude towards customers. However, we also can't rule out the fact that it's low season and they might have opened their doors to anyone looking wealthy. You had fun that's what matters the most. Good luck![/QUOTE]I think it is the other way round mate. Baccara was not racist till 2016 and used to let all decent looking punters. They started asking most non Jap clients to buy drinks before entering somewhere in 2016. However in early 2018 I was shocked when they pulled members only BS on me. I have read few more reports of this happening now a days. Looks like they are becoming the next CH or Rainbow 1.
[QUOTE=Plan77;2194023]I think it is the other way round mate. Baccara was not racist till 2016 and used to let all decent looking punters. They started asking most non Jap clients to buy drinks before entering somewhere in 2016. However in early 2018 I was shocked when they pulled members only BS on me. I have read few more reports of this happening now a days. Looks like they are becoming the next CH or Rainbow 1.[/QUOTE]Strange. I've never had a problem in any of those clubs.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2194078]Strange. I've never had a problem in any of those clubs.[/QUOTE]I was there in February and no hassles getting in but totally ignored by the girls so I left after 1 drink and will spend my hard earned where I get better value for my money.
[QUOTE=Plan77;2194023]I think it is the other way round mate. Baccara was not racist till 2016 and used to let all decent looking punters. They started asking most non Jap clients to buy drinks before entering somewhere in 2016. However in early 2018 I was shocked when they pulled members only BS on me. I have read few more reports of this happening now a days. Looks like they are becoming the next CH or Rainbow 1.[/QUOTE]I went to Baccara this month and was told I had to buy a drink before entering. Not sure if that applies to everyone or only to 'certain identifiable groups'. But I would have bought a drink anyway. I didn't get any kind of "members only" story.
It is low season but Baccara was packed inside. See my review a few pages back for my thoughts on Baccara.
BTW, I'm the same guy who was told to pay 500 THB to enter Crazy House, and I'm 100% sure it was due to having the wrong skin colour. This matches many other identical reports on Google Maps Reviews.
[QUOTE=Jake251;2194094]I went to Baccara this month and was told I had to buy a drink before entering. Not sure if that applies to everyone or only to 'certain identifiable groups'. But I would have bought a drink anyway. I didn't get any kind of "members only" story.[/QUOTE]If you are not Japanese you must purchase a drink before you enter. It's funny because here in Pattaya it's the Japanese gogo bar guys who walk in and walk out the most.
For Baccara it's quite simple. I'm not sure why guys still make confused assumptions about this place. I've been there over 1000 times in 4 years and barfined over 60 girls there and this is best advice you will get. By the way, there are other Asians besides Japanese that frequent this bar. So calling it Japanese only or Japanese preferred is incorrect. Baccara makes most of its money off barfined girls, sex, and the owner's short time hotel across the way. So they want customers who drink and pay for sex. Those are the clients they prefer. Those who come to only drink and try to grope on girls will get spotlighted quick. Girls want to get paid their 3000-10000 baht, not 50 baht per drink.
1. Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Taiwanese, Hong Kong or anyone who looks East Asian (non Indian) generally have no problem getting entry.
2. White westerners generally have no problem getting entry.
3. Any race where they bring a girlfriend or a girl along will have to buy a drink before entry. Baccara is a barfine club. Not a show.
4. Any race when it's full and you are not a regular will have to buy a drink before entry. When it's full, they don't want people walk in and look around and walk out. Usually around 10-10:30 is peak time.
5. If you have a history of coming and not barfining, at peak times you will be asked to buy your drink before entry.
6. Indians need to come early and with above groups #1 or #2 or may be denied entry. 7:30 they open and are empty. Better chance to get in. Indians or Middle Eastern looking guys coming alone or in a group will probably be denied.
7. Black westerners generally have no problem getting entry.
Here is a hint: If you are allowed entry even if it's requires buying a drink outside first. Do so. Then buy a drink and make friends with the bald headed fat white guy who walks with a cane and sits at the door. His name is Sam I think. He will remember you and you will never have any issues getting in again. I've been able to get in at anytime, accompanied by any race, and even with other girls. And this is without having to buy drinks before entry.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2194182]If you are not Japanese you must purchase a drink before you enter. It's funny because here in Pattaya it's the Japanese gogo bar guys who walk in and walk out the most.[/QUOTE]They don't care about guys walking in and out. They care about the guy who goes in and sits there all night and orders nothing.
[QUOTE=Jake251;2194094]
BTW, I'm the same guy who was told to pay 500 THB to enter Crazy House, and I'm 100% sure it was due to having the wrong skin colour. [/QUOTE]Maybe you should walk down Sukhumvit and kick every Indian guy you see in the nuts and say "have some manners and don't be so cheap". If enough fellow Indians do that, the problem will likely go away.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2194089]I was there in February and no hassles getting in but totally ignored by the girls so I left after 1 drink and will spend my hard earned where I get better value for my money.[/QUOTE]Your entering a club that caters to Asians where its always packed with Asians. Any girl leaving the club with a non Asian will lose face (and business). She might take your number or give out hers if you live in Bangkok and might become a regular client in the slow season. You'll always meet these girls from these clubs outside the bar.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2194089]I was there in February and no hassles getting in but totally ignored by the girls so I left after 1 drink and will spend my hard earned where I get better value for my money.[/QUOTE]The Baccara girls in Bangkok are like that whether you are Asian or Farang. Only very few make eye contact from the stage. Most wait for the guy to choose them. Someone mentioned it's the submissiveness trait that Japanese men prefer.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2194286]They don't care about guys walking in and out. They care about the guy who goes in and sits there all night and orders nothing.[/QUOTE]
It's fairly difficult for anyone to sit in a gogo bar for long without having to order a first drink. After that they can milk the drink as long as they want. Never seen a gogo bar forcing someone to order a second drink, at least in Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2194331]Your entering a club that caters to Asians where its always packed with Asians. Any girl leaving the club with a non Asian will lose face (and business). She might take your number or give out hers if you live in Bangkok and might become a regular client in the slow season. You'll always meet these girls from these clubs outside the bar.[/QUOTE]From memory, which can be cloudy, none where that more attractive then at any of the other agogos in NEP. I forget the name of the agogo but ended up with a 20 yo uni student with a slim body that I like for 3000 LT and she let me be. Be.
[QUOTE=Jake251;2194094]I went to Baccara this month and was told I had to buy a drink before entering. Not sure if that applies to everyone or only to 'certain identifiable groups'. But I would have bought a drink anyway. I didn't get any kind of "members only" story.
It is low season but Baccara was packed inside. See my review a few pages back for my thoughts on Baccara.
BTW, I'm the same guy who was told to pay 500 THB to enter Crazy House, and I'm 100% sure it was due to having the wrong skin colour. This matches many other identical reports on Google Maps Reviews.[/QUOTE]When I went to Baccara last time it was packed with Japanese and East Asians. They asked me to pay for drink before. I know that once inside you will not get much attention from girls or waitresses. I enjoy this kind of challenge. I ordered half bottle of vodka, gave nice tip to the girls. There were couple of girls siting nearby looking for customers. I told waitress that I will pay for their next drink. Now the GoGo girls started giving me attention, service was quick with smiles. I won that round over Japanese. I did not take any girl.
It is not that you have to show-off but it is important that in such places you must not look like cheap Charlie and spend reasonable amount of money.
Just what the question is asking thanks.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2194215]For Baccara it's quite simple. I'm not sure why guys still make confused assumptions about this place. I've been there over 1000 times in 4 years and barfined over 60 girls there and this is best advice you will get. By the way, there are other Asians besides Japanese that frequent this bar. So calling it Japanese only or Japanese preferred is incorrect. Baccara makes most of its money off barfined girls, sex, and the owner's short time hotel across the way. So they want customers who drink and pay for sex. Those are the clients they prefer. Those who come to only drink and try to grope on girls will get spotlighted quick. Girls want to get paid their 3000-10000 baht, not 50 baht per drink.
.[/QUOTE]This is such a great post, particularly on 2 points 1) Japanese guys prefer submissive girls, I. E no eye contact or pushy behaviour etc so the girls will act accordingly and while this is strange to westerners once we know this is happening it should be no issue and 2) For the best service at the bigger busier clubs you need to grease the wheel a little bit when unknown I. E a few strategic THB 100 (US $3) tips here and there will get you treated almost like a regular straight away.
Every club has their own niche and working out how to get the best of these clubs is just a matter of at least knowing what they expect. The big busy clubs will definitely screen customers to hit the profit sweet spot. One must remember that they are really only busy for a few hours each night say 10 pm - 1 am give or take, so during those 3 hours they want guys that are going to earn them the most. They don't want guys sitting there just drinking on heir own for 3 hours during those busy periods taking up space when they already have a ton of free spending customers or regulars coming through their doors.
I have up until this point avoided Bacarra but now armed with the above advice will walk in, hit the fat. Limping - bald guy with 100 to 200 (USD $6) and see if I can do business with any of the fine ladies that frequent this place.
[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2194373]I have up until this point avoided Bacarra but now armed with the above advice will walk in, hit the fat. Limping - bald guy with 100 to 200 (USD $6) and see if I can do business with any of the fine ladies that frequent this place.[/QUOTE]Do that and you may never set foot into Baccara again.
I don't have to tell you why.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2194391]Do that and you may never set foot into Baccara again.
I don't have to tell you why.[/QUOTE]Please do tell me what you are referring to because I have zero idea at what you are hinting at.
[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2194373]This is such a great post, particularly on 2 points 1) Japanese guys prefer submissive girls, I. E no eye contact or pushy behaviour etc so the girls will act accordingly and while this is strange to westerners once we know this is happening it should be no issue and 2) For the best service at the bigger busier clubs you need to grease the wheel a little bit when unknown I. E a few strategic THB 100 (US $3) tips here and there will get you treated almost like a regular straight away.
Every club has their own niche and working out how to get the best of these clubs is just a matter of at least knowing what they expect. The big busy clubs will definitely screen customers to hit the profit sweet spot. One must remember that they are really only busy for a few hours each night say 10 pm - 1 am give or take, so during those 3 hours they want guys that are going to earn them the most. They don't want guys sitting there just drinking on heir own for 3 hours during those busy periods taking up space when they already have a ton of free spending customers or regulars coming through their doors.
I have up until this point avoided Bacarra but now armed with the above advice will walk in, hit the fat. Limping - bald guy with 100 to 200 (USD $6) and see if I can do business with any of the fine ladies that frequent this place.[/QUOTE]No don't pay Sam any money. Just buy him a cappuccino, coffee, or even share a pizza from the owner's restaurant across the way. You can order food at Baccara. This is what I would do if I was questionable for entry. Go at 7:15 and sit outside on the patio. Order a drink and a pizza. Sam likes to eat. Make some small talk an offer him a slice or two of pizza. He will eat it, I know. After you are done eating and chatting. Walk in and he will bow with his hands in prayer. He won't ever forget. Don't need to give him money. He just likes the feel of being important. He is the owner's friend, not the owner. Many of the ladies upstairs are more open to Westerners. Ladies downstairs maybe 30% are open to Westerners. However money always talks.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2194182]If you are not Japanese you must purchase a drink before you enter. It's funny because here in Pattaya it's the Japanese gogo bar guys who walk in and walk out the most.[/QUOTE]Baccara Bangkok likes doing this. And from a business model it makes sense. When they are at 100% capacity and no empty seats on the ground floor or the second floor, they will open the third floor up and rotate a few girls from floor 2 to the 3rd. They know most people won't like going up to that third floor. It's smoky, a long stair climb, and just a few girls. They will notify the door security that they are out of seats. So this is the time when most guests, no matter what race, will be asked to buy a drink before coming inside. Because they want at least your 1 drink money. Once you come inside and cannot find a seat. Oh well, they've already made out with your 1 drink profit. However, if you are a regular and they know you that you will spend, they will recognize you and you will get free pass and also they will make room for you once inside. With the girls, I suggest call them down for a drink. If they order a big drink with a straw, then they are interested in you. If they order a shot, probably a drink and go. During the chit chat with the big drink ask about the barfine and agree to buy one more drink. If she says okay, ask to put the barfine in bill bin. Now you have her attention, you can sit and use your game to figure out what kind of experience she will give you. You can ask about BBBJ, CIM, GFE or whatever. If you and her don't click and she becomes a "be. Tch" Tell the waitstaff to take out the barfine bill. Let her go back dancing. Never never pay the barfine bill until you are ready to pay the entire drink bill and getting ready to go. Never pay the girl up front all her cash. Tell her that you can always tip more depending on her service. I once barfined a girl there and she went to change. I had to use the bathroom but the first floor bathroom was crowded so I went upstairs. I saw her sitting, already in her street clothes but sitting and drinking on the lap of another customer, maybe a regular. I ignored it and went back down to wait. After another 10 minutes of waiting, 20 minutes total, she came down. She asked ready? I asked her why she took so long? She lied and said she was on the phone about school. When the waitress came around for me to pay the bill. I took her barfine tab out, handed it back to her. Told her "I don't think so. " She of course got mad and brought over the mamasan. I then whispered in her ear, when you already have a customer who barfined you, it's a bit rude to go sit with another and then lie about it. She only shook her head a walked off. I chose another girl and got a fee drink from mamasan.
I get it. Go go's are businesses who have limited time to rack up a daily gross. I get it dickheads who visit a go go, suck forever on a single beer while abusing the situation to feel up the girls with no intention of either bar fining or buying ladies drinks should be asked to leave and barred from reentry. I get it when limited seating is completely occupied customers who nurse single drinks for inordinate lengths of time can be told they need to either finish up and leave or order another drink.
I don't get the practice of the bad mannered hustle of aggressively asking for tips, girls accepting lady drinks and disappearing, mamasans hustling customers who are drinking at a reasonable pace to buy another drink before they have finished the one they are on, mamasans hustling customers to barfine girls, the two drink single lady drink scam, girls hustling customers to buy drinks for their friends, girls giving an impression of being available for sex then several lady drinks later telling the customer they are not available. I fail to understand how any of these practices can be justified by any understanding of what a business should be about.
On the issue of customer profiling this is a difficult perhaps intractable problem. For sure some groupings are known for disproportional unreasonable behavior. Should they be all refused entry? No but finding an acceptable alternative is not straightforward. Everybody owners and customers both behaving with good intention mutual respect would go a long way towards owners making money and customers having a good time.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2194401]No don't pay Sam any money. Just buy him a cappuccino, coffee, or even share a pizza from the owner's restaurant across the way. You can order food at Baccara. This is what I would do if I was questionable for entry. Go at 7:15 and sit outside on the patio. Order a drink and a pizza. Sam likes to eat. Make some small talk an offer him a slice or two of pizza. He will eat it, I know. After you are done eating and chatting. Walk in and he will bow with his hands in prayer. He won't ever forget. Don't need to give him money. He just likes the feel of being important. He is the owner's friend, not the owner. Many of the ladies upstairs are more open to Westerners. Ladies downstairs maybe 30% are open to Westerners. However money always talks.[/QUOTE]I totally got your point although because I said it in a rapid fire manner I may have stated it a bit too literally which came off as if I would just blow past him trowing money in the air. Of course I would have done what you have suggested above in that is have a bit of a quick chat and depending upon the situation perhaps rather than buy him some food slipped him 100 or 200 with the statement "thanks for your help" or "for your family". The deflection equates to the same as buying food in that it is not an "in your face" or "I have more money than you because I am from the west" situation.
Food and drink work wonders. I walked into a NP gogo once on a lark eating a candy bar. I had another and when the Mamasan came over, offered it to her. She took it and munched with me. Girls started coming over then looking for candy LOL.
One time I was going past Crazy House only way home. I was undecided about going in so figured I would contemplate over a Moo on a stick, conveniently being grilled outside. Bought three, handed two to the bouncers, then took off home. Never had a problem getting a seat.
When I would leave my apartment, sometimes I would buy a Coke for the security guy and hand it to him with the following conversation.
Hot. Wipe brow, here. For you.
Kop khun kop, where you go?
Find nice lady. Make boom boom. Accompanied by pelvic thrusts.
Ehhhh. Laughter. No LadyBoys.
May ow khop, look shocked, laugh.
See you later, wais and fist bump.
No hassles bringing girls back.
Moral. Be happy. Treat staff like friends.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2194215]6. Indians need to come early and with above groups #1 or #2 or may be denied entry. 7:30 they open and are empty. Better chance to get in. Indians or Middle Eastern looking guys coming alone or in a group will probably be denied.[/QUOTE]This seems to be a totally new philosophy. I never experienced or noticed it during past several years. Perhaps they had some bad incidents but still to deny entry to everyone based on looks is lot more stupid than going in a bar and not spending money on drinks. Anyways, it seems like I am better off not bothering with Baccara from now onwards.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2194431]I get it. Go go's are businesses who have limited time to rack up a daily gross. I get it dickheads who visit a go go, suck forever on a single beer while abusing the situation to feel up the girls with no intention of either bar fining or buying ladies drinks should be asked to leave and barred from reentry. I get it when limited seating is completely occupied customers who nurse single drinks for inordinate lengths of time can be told they need to either finish up and leave or order another drink.
I don't get the practice of the bad mannered hustle of aggressively asking for tips, girls accepting lady drinks and disappearing, mamasans hustling customers who are drinking at a reasonable pace to buy another drink before they have finished the one they are on, mamasans hustling customers to barfine girls, the two drink single lady drink scam, girls hustling customers to buy drinks for their friends, girls giving an impression of being available for sex then several lady drinks later telling the customer they are not available. I fail to understand how any of these practices can be justified by any understanding of what a business should be about.
On the issue of customer profiling this is a difficult perhaps intractable problem. For sure some groupings are known for disproportional unreasonable behavior. Should they be all refused entry? No but finding an acceptable alternative is not straightforward. Everybody owners and customers both behaving with good intention mutual respect would go a long way towards owners making money and customers having a good time.[/QUOTE]Have you considered buying the do-nothing doormen boxes of Krispy Kreme donuts, lathering them up for a nice shave and a haircut, maybe a quick neck, head and shoulder massage before entering the bar? Perhaps the girls inside will be more inclined to accept an average week's pay for 45 minutes of their time in your room giving you less than what they have been giving away for free to guys like those doormen for the previous 3-4 years if you did. You're obviously not looking at it from their side as much as you should.
Now I have been about 10 times in Baccara. Not very much compared to others. For what I have seen, the info of MonkeyPaw is very accurate. There are a few differences. First, you don't need to give Sam anything. Just pay your respect. When I go in I look at him with a face that asks whether he will let me in. Never a problem. No matter how crowded Baccara got that night. One time nobody got in (just before Songkran) without buying a drink. I looked at Sam but he looked away. An Asian (the owner, manager whatever) was there and he did not let anybody in without a drink. I really disliked that, but went on like usual: drinking lots of Cola and not buying any lady drinks and certainly not barfining anybody. I just sit there and loads of girls try to get my attention. Sometimes in a more Western way, sometimes they approach me, sometimes they keep smiling just next to my place, whoever is there. At Baccara nobody complains. They are happy with my drinking tab and hope for more. Nothing going on like many of you write her but mostly just like MP wrote. When I am in Baccara there is something that really annoys me and it is not the bar, not the girls, not the mamasans (they are good or very good to me). No it is Western costumers. They often act disrespectful to the Asian customers. Frowning at them, not moving to the side when somebody wants to pass etc etc. I do that differently. For example when I am sitting at the bar and there are three Asians coming in and two bar stools to my left and two to my left are free, I simply move up one or two places, depending on the view that will give that to me. The Asians thank me shortly. Just as it should be. It doesn't get unnoticed. I have seen quite different things from other Westerners and I don't understand that. Another thing is that Baccara is really not after your money like is stated here. For example at March 2017 they had several nights they cleared the dancing floor and four strippers started dancing. Nobody had any interest in the barfineable girls anymore.
What puzzles me even more is that this is all about Baccara while CH is just showing awful behaviour. I drink the same, give away an occasional ladydrink and barfine but that is still met with rudeness. Once I ordered my second drink and then one of the mamasans came to me and insisted that I should order a next drink. Well, I just ordered one. It is on its way. She insisted and I didn't give in. Result was that the girl that I had payed a ladydrink sat with another customer. CH is fine for nude dancers but pretty awful for anything else. They show all the behaviour that is ascribed to Baccara and worse.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2194417]Baccara Bangkok likes doing this. And from a business model it makes sense. When they are at 100% capacity and no empty seats on the ground floor or the second floor, they will open the third floor up and rotate a few girls from floor 2 to the 3rd. They know most people won't like going up to that third floor. It's smoky, a long stair climb, and just a few girls. They will notify the door security that they are out of seats. So this is the time when most guests, no matter what race, will be asked to buy a drink before coming inside. Because they want at least your 1 drink money. Once you come inside and cannot find a seat. Oh well, they've already made out with your 1 drink profit. However, if you are a regular and they know you that you will spend, they will recognize you and you will get free pass and also they will make room for you once inside. With the girls, I suggest call them down for a drink. If they order a big drink with a straw, then they are interested in you. If they order a shot, probably a drink and go. During the chit chat with the big drink ask about the barfine and agree to buy one more drink. If she says okay, ask to put the barfine in bill bin. Now you have her attention, you can sit and use your game to figure out what kind of experience she will give you. You can ask about BBBJ, CIM, GFE or whatever. If you and her don't click and she becomes a "be. Tch" Tell the waitstaff to take out the barfine bill. Let her go back dancing. Never never pay the barfine bill until you are ready to pay the entire drink bill and getting ready to go. Never pay the girl up front all her cash. Tell her that you can always tip more depending on her service. I once barfined a girl there and she went to change. I had to use the bathroom but the first floor bathroom was crowded so I went upstairs. I saw her sitting, already in her street clothes but sitting and drinking on the lap of another customer, maybe a regular. I ignored it and went back down to wait. After another 10 minutes of waiting, 20 minutes total, she came down. She asked ready? I asked her why she took so long? She lied and said she was on the phone about school. When the waitress came around for me to pay the bill. I took her barfine tab out, handed it back to her. Told her "I don't think so. " She of course got mad and brought over the mamasan. I then whispered in her ear, when you already have a customer who barfined you, it's a bit rude to go sit with another and then lie about it. She only shook her head a walked off. I chose another girl and got a fee drink from mamasan.[/QUOTE]MP you make sense in this post! Good insight on the drink size and valuable information regarding the bar fine. It shows a level of commitment but also by cancelling and going with another sets the precedent that you are a serious buyer but won't be messed around.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2194686]MP you make sense in this post! Good insight on the drink size and valuable information regarding the bar fine. It shows a level of commitment but also by cancelling and going with another sets the precedent that you are a serious buyer but won't be messed around.[/QUOTE]You know what, I agree. The bit about working the Lady Drink sequence and putting the barfine on the tab before discussing a couple of other more important nitty grittier details, knowing you can always ask them to remove it from the check bin if the discussion does not go where you want it to go, is the best advice I have read in excerpts quoted from his posts.
The other thing I think he gets right is in piling up volumes of options and choices among the girls in several bars, discos, FLs, wherever so there is never a time when 1, 2 or 5 of them matters so much on a given night and all of them have an incentive to up their game or be left behind. I always thought that was an aspect of his and any other punter's game he got right.
I can afford one drink even if I don't actually finish the drink. So it is no big deal for me to buy one at a busy place with lots of prospects. It is an admission fee. If I am getting special attention, I usually get a lot more drinks.
It is like going to the Porsche dealer to test drive a car. If they figure you have no intention of buying, you won't get to test the car. The bottom line is money talks and the bars are there to make money. Show them you are willing to pay a fair price and not seeking a freebie.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2194215]For Baccara it's quite simple. So they want customers who drink and pay for sex. Those are the clients they prefer. Those who come to only drink and try to grope on girls will get spotlighted quick. Girls want to get paid their 3000-10000 baht, not 50 baht per drink.[/QUOTE]ROTFLMAO!
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2194287]Maybe you should walk down Sukhumvit and kick every Indian guy you see in the nuts and say "have some manners and don't be so cheap". If enough fellow Indians do that, the problem will likely go away.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2194417]With the girls, I suggest call them down for a drink. If they order a big drink with a straw, then they are interested in you. If they order a shot, probably a drink and go.[/QUOTE]Absolutely true. In my books girls who drink shots are usually hustlers. Met a fantastic pattaya coyote last night who never took a sip of her drink unless I asked her to. She was much more interested in chilling with me than making money. My type of girl and gorgeous to boot. 1 and a half drinks in an hour.
Eihtooms, do you need us to quote all of MP's posts so you can read them?
[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;2194372]Just what the question is asking thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes, for over 18 years.
I've been hanging out in Pattaya, HK, and HCM more than BKK. Thursday night I came back to see if there is any new talent. Started my night at Baccara and got there around 7:45. Doors open at 7:00 but the girls trickle in from 7:20-8:00 for the first wave, second wave arrives before 9:00, and third and fourth waves are 10 and 11. I like to get there early to get a seat and watch them come in one by one. So after saying "Hi" to Sam (bald headed fat guy at the door), I walked in. By the way again. Don't bribe this guy with money. Just pay respect to him, so he notices you. Offer him a drink. He likes food and he likes coffee. Better he's your friend, than not. The owner is European, but has plenty of local Thai investors. So they are always keeping check on one another to any rules being broken. Baccara club runs like a well oiled machine, they know how to make money. There is no ping pong balls, no yee sip baht, and no bribes. None of that stuff is needed to keep their girls. Drinks, barfines, and use of that short time hotel is all they need. It's like a monopoly.
As soon as I walked in the mood in the club changed. The Baccara girls and I have this love and hate relationship. In other words, I'm not new to the game they play on other customers. I've been told by some of the girls that I'm the only guy that was able to play back. What game that is? Try going there and making a list of the top looking 60 or so trophy girls that work there over a span 4-5 years. And then banging each of them one by one and being able to get the best experience from as many as on that list as possible. You start breaking in circles of friends and then it gets much harder and harder, so after each and every time, I had to up my game with the next girl. Then to have girls spread rumors or pussy block one another because you ditched them for the next. Geesh. Doing this without over paying for below par service is not easy. The most I've paid for short time was 3,000 and long time was 10,000, but there are lots of in between depending on the services provided. And by now most everybody knows I like to tie these girls up and get them in vulnerable situations where they lose all sense of control and make them cum over and over again. I'm kinky, but not gross, not a sadist or try hurt the girls. These girls know at Baccara my reputation already. "Money is not and issue with him. And if he wants you, he will call you. Don't try to approach him with our fake smiles and games. " The kinkiness, I think they keep to themselves so they save face amongst each other. Many of the girls there are pissed that I've never barfined them after all these years because they have this tendency to want to compare themselves with each other and the best looking ones. Fortunately for me, I used to be the boyfriend of probably the most popular girl in the ALL the go go bar clubs in Bangkok. So that's how I got my start by playing with the devil. She was the #1 hustler in ALL of the Bangkok go go bars. Too bad the devil didn't know who I really was. I always win.
Thursday night, there was a handful of new talent, maybe only one new girl that I would add to my list. On the other hand, there was another girl, #299, that I need to get off that original list. If anyone has been with her and had success, share some intel. That way I can prepare my game with her. She's slim, has silicones, and bangs on her hair. Anyways, the rest of the girls that I wanted to be with, I have already done so. I need to make a quick point about Baccara. I sat there for about 45 minutes and I saw at least two Indians or Middle Easterns. They were well dressed and groomed and looked to be in their 40's. They sat at the bar, well behaved, and bought drinks and seemed to be enjoying their time. I also saw a black older man who was around 60, out of shape, and spoke with what sounded like a African accent. He sat right next to me, bought 1 beer and called down a very small and petite girl with short hair and no ass, no boobs (#421 or #412 I think). Her first drink was an orange juice big drink. In less than 15 minutes, he was barfining her. From the conversation I over heard, it was going to be a poor service job but at least he was able to get in and do so. She quoted him 3000 for 45 minutes across in the short time hotel and all money up front. I personally would have never barfined her (not my type). But he understood his limits. Get what you can get and the slowly build your reputation. So when Eih Tooms mentions that most of these members on here need to look at themselves, their mannerisms, hygiene, and how they are groomed BEFORE they scream racism, he is right. Just because you can't succeed, don't think that it's only about race, especially when there are others of the same race who can. With Baccara, come early before 8 pm. Pay respects to Sam. Make your presence known to staff by being friendly. Be respectful to the girls in the club. Buy drinks. Pay fair money for girls. And behind closed doors, don't do anything that gets you a bad reputation. They will talk to each other. The less you are known, the flashier you have to be to get the top talent. But be careful, the top trophy girls are very good at their game of taking all your money and giving back crap.
After Baccara, I went to Sharks. Lots of new coyotes dancers, who have no business even being on stage. I was appalled. However there was a new cute slim one that attracted my attention. Maybe not older than 21. Sometimes, I look at a girl and gauge very quickly how much I want play with this one and how much effort and how much money. To me she was equivalent to something I can get at Twisters. It was only around 9 pm about 15 customers, so I just wanted to play a quick game since many of these coyotes are drink hustlers and have no intention of going with customers. Pay attention, this is how it's done. I called the waitress over and pointed to the girl I wanted. Waitress asked if I wanted to buy her a drink? I told the waitress, "You must be new. Go tell the girl if she wants to boom boom me. If she says yes, she can come off stage to sit with me and I will get her 5 drinks. And if she says yes, I will get you (the waitress) a drink also. " The new waitress happily rushed over there and asked the new coyote. Her friends over heard and looked at her. I stood up, so she can look at me and spun around, and then waived her come over. I made a circle with one hand and repeatedly stuck in my finger in it with the other hand. That's the universal sign for boom boom. She shook her head to the waitress "No. " I did all this without fear of who was watching in the club. There were dancers, mamasans, waitresses all watching this scene. I don't consider myself unattractive by any means, so I know it's not my looks. And it's not definitely not a money issue either. So by her publicly not wanting to come sit with a customer like me, what revelation was just made to everybody including the 15 customers at Shark? This is how you get a coyote to show her true colors as a hustler to other customers. Saved me some time, money, and from a shitty experience. Some might be thinking, what if she did come off stage and agreed. Then it's a new game, 1 drink at a time and many questions asked, until I pay the barfine at the end, and the rest of the money after the session in my room. At anytime I could always send her back. Just getting them to come down and commit to you is the biggest hurdle. But make sure it's not to hustle you for drinks. You have to compete with so many other customers for the best talent. At any of the Man from Iran bars in Soi Cowboy and Cowboy 2. Ask the girls immediately"can you be barfined?" before allowing them to sit or even grab your arm as you are walking by outside of the clubs on the strip. Gauge their looks quickly and feel for fat, firmness, and flab all within that first drink that is ordered. Tell them to bring the barfine ticket and keep in it the bin with the drink bill. Anything fishy or if you feel she is going to be a bad experience, cancel the barfine and pay the drink tab and GTFO.
After this I walked into Nana Plaza and did a tour of Rainbow 2 (downstairs in back right corner next to London Calling) #72 looked cute with her new boobs. If anybody got to see how they looked let me know. I've only been with her when she had natural ones. Perhaps it's time to take a peek at her new body. Rainbow 5 (second floor next to Twisters) has the most girls #5, #56, and #11 looked pretty hot this night. #5 hates me, though I've been with her like 5 times, #56 (been with twice) adores me but I know she has a tomboy and she doesn't know I know, and #11 looks like she will be on my next to bang list. If anybody has intel on #11 please share. By the way feel free to ask me about certain girls at Rainbow 1, 2, 5, and Baccara. These are the clubs where I've done most of my damage in Bangkok besides Scratch Dog and Hanker Club.[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]
Anyways, I just wanted to do a quick tour of my favorite clubs on my first night. My last stop was at Thermae and it was packed full of customers and girls, many new faces I haven't seen before. This was about 11:00. I bought my usual club soda and did one round the joint. I spotted a sexy girl with huge boobs (standing to the left as you walk in next to the cashier booth where the "elf looking girl" often stands) being chatted up by two Japanese guys in their 30's wearing what looks to be there work suits and carrying backpacks. Don't ask me why? I'm not Japanese, maybe it's for show and tell. Anyways, I gave them about 3 minutes to close the deal with her. She wouldn't look directly at them in these 3 minutes, so I swooped in for the kill. I walked over, told them, "domo arigato" while squeezing myself into the conversation. I can feel them staring at the side of my head, but I don't really care. I just smiled, said Hello, and asked how much for short time? She said 3000. I said I'll give you 3000 plus tip and my room was only 1 minute on Soi 13. She said okay, and we left the two Japanese guys looking a bit bewildered to what just happened, but there is plenty on talent there. It will be okay for them. It's been awhile since I reviewed a girl. Pretty much because it's a different girl everyday, but I kind of get lazy and bored of writing the same thing. So this will be quick. The 3000 became 4000 baht plus 200 taxi for her to go home because she could barely walk afterwards. Now good experience with me starts with a decent girl and ends in with BBBJ CIM. However, a great experience is like with this one, a 23 year old girl with a hot body, big boobs, involves sex toys, restraints, some light electro shocking of the boobs, squirting, multiple orgasms, BBBJ, 69 ing, sex in multiple positions, and finish with CIM. Of course the LINE IDs are swapped to cap it all off. Meet Bam Bam a 23 year old from Thermae. Enjoy.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2194773]Eihtooms, do you need us to quote all of MP's posts so you can read them?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the offer, Banana Boi, but not really. If it is his overriding intention is that some of us not read his posts then I am good with that. I view my commenting on anything I see quoted in another person's post as a comment on what that person has deemed worthy of consideration and discussion and not a response to MP. I don't need or miss commenting or replying to MP directly.
And, frankly, those two points I agreed with in my previous post were the only two I have read in any of his posts going back to the days when I could read all of them in their entirety that I would also recommend to any other punter. I honestly believe that, to whatever extent the 100,000 baht bar tabs and pizza dinners for the doormen are meant to improve his results with a girl in his room, he could junk all that silliness, just apply those two factors and get essentially the same results in the room he is getting now.
Maybe even better results since much of that stuff is no doubt seen by the girls as the act of a man more interested to throwing his money around indiscriminately than in getting value for that money from her in the hotel room.
Plus there is still plenty of opportunity for him to get his kicks humiliating them when he tells the server to take the barfine off his check bin if in the subsequent discussion the girl pretends not to understand what a BBBJ means, not to believe that yes many Thai girls provide a CIM finish or whatever. So no loss there for him or anyone else inclined to apply those two elements and dump all the unnecessary and likely counterproductive effort and expenditures. At least then the humiliation of them would have been earned and would serve a purpose for the greater good.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2194666] You're obviously not looking at it from their side as much as you should.[/QUOTE]Unnecessary sarcasm perhaps, but I don't totally disagree with either of you. Frances raises some valid points, but seems to be looking for a place of perfection, rather than being realistic. A lot of the girls in the bar are going to have a shitty character, and a small percentage are probably good for having some fun.
Yes, certain groups of guys are too much hassle, and get refused entry, rather than being a big waste of space. Meanwhile Billboard will probably let them in, because they have a lot of space and tolerate the partying groups who won't sit down quietly. I don't go in Baccara any more and waste their space. I am certainly not going to buy a drink before I see if there is a decent seat available and maybe even some girls that suit my taste.
We all have to understand the underlying motivations of all concerned, but especially the girls. The first one is selfishness, which often leads to poor behaviour if a guy is not seen as a possible long term client. Next is that the job can be awfully boring for girls, so if they can have a good time, while making money, even better. Girls often cannot work properly without alcohol assist. Partying and getting drunk is very normal. Some of the girls can be horny and get themselves off in the right circumstance.
Some of the girls want a proper boyfriend as well, who knows why, but to feel really needed by someone like in a normal relationship, so may be fucking the doorman or DJ or some outside taxi driver or tout, for free. That is still better than the pimped girls supporting some druggie Thai boy.
One of my bargirls told me about her new Thai boy who works near the bar, acquired recently, she was open to getting one, and yet is still orgasmic with me, she just can't help it that her pussy is very sensitive, and cums very easily from DATY. At least she assures me she is taking precautions not to get pregnant and stuff up everything. She did not want to be seen with me going to a certain ST Hotel, because apparently even her father drives a taxi not far away at all. Go figure! She does not seem to keep a lot of secrets. Somewhat abnormal.
[QUOTE=Plan77;2194023]I think it is the other way round mate. Baccara was not racist till 2016 and used to let all decent looking punters. They started asking most non Jap clients to buy drinks before entering somewhere in 2016. However in early 2018 I was shocked when they pulled members only BS on me. I have read few more reports of this happening now a days. Looks like they are becoming the next CH or Rainbow 1.[/QUOTE]This is only partially true. They were requiring non-East Asians to buy a drink before entering before 2016. I know because I was there before 2016 and witnessed the practice myself. They were still letting everybody in though. No racist "members only" BS. That said, I was denied entry at the Baccara in Pattaya with "members only", unless I agreed to pay the "members fee" before going in. That was like the price of one drink. Pissed off by this practice that I had seen at a couple of Bangkok bars already (Baccara & Rainbow 4 forgot the new name), and one other in Pattaya (Angel Witch), I passed. I'll spend my fists full of money elsewhere!
Baccara Bangkok certainly had a lot of tutes! But, on the first floor there were so many of them crowded onto the stage that you really couldn't get a good look at all of the girls. And most of them seemed to be bored and disinterested doing their listless "Thai tute shuffle". I preferred going upstairs to the second floor I believe it was. It was much more comfortable up there, and I saw a really cute Thai girl I wanted. She turned me down (I fucked way better than her in Thailand by the way), and seemed uninterested in going with anybody but East Asians, even to accept a drink. She would come out and do her shuffle and then disappear for long periods of time. I also saw that she was trying to hide or cover up the number on her little skirt. Maybe she was on the rag? Who knows LOL!
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2194846]Make your presence known to staff by being friendly. Be respectful to the girls in the club. Buy drinks. Pay fair money for girls. And behind closed doors, don't do anything that gets you a bad reputation. They will talk to each other..[/QUOTE]Truer words were never spoken. That's how I roll anywhere. Why'all can argue about Mr. Paws techniques and psychological state all you want, but that's how the world works.
Fist bump that security guy! Buy him a sausage Big smile! Clean and put together! Broken Thai with laughter! Offer that mint! Buy a drink, hell, just buy a random lady drink, , buy the mamasan a drink, smile, smile, smile. Don't be a sloppy loud drunk, don't lose your temper, don't grab ass girls you aren't going to buy, don't throw around money but don't be cheap, act like a fun gentleman and not a.
I have seen a lot of changes in Thailand over the past 20 years. But all the discussion on the Sanuk and Monger Boards remains the same about this hassle and that problem and did I pay too much and that stunner is a starfish, etc.
Here's my added rules to Mr. MPs.
1. It's your life and RFF.
2. Everyone gets ripped off one in a while. Try being married if you don't believe that.
3. Treat folks like you want to be treated. If they treat you like shit after you been nice, move on.
4. That stunner #47 just took a load in her mouth right before you. She's 20 and you are 60. Don't fall in love.
5. If folks don't like you because of your race creed nationality colour or religion, fuck them and move on. There aren't other places to go?
6. Jai Dee.
7. Don't be a. Don't be a Cheap Charlie.
8. Some coochie is better than others, but there ain't a lot of bad coochie.
9. Same with BJs.
10. You are walking on top of the ground instead of laying underneath it. Therefore it's a great day no matter what. Did I say Jai Dee?
I'll be there in October for a 6 month stay. Maybe I'll go to Baccara. I can speak bad Japanese, that will keep them amused. Watashi wa echi ojisan 555. And if I'm not treated nice, or if it isn't fun. I'll leave.
NB. If I would have seen MP doing public boom boom motions I would have laughed my ass off. It's all about FUN guys, death is serious and pussy ain't.
Hi,
Did any one try No 1 angelescort.
Did any one try Nana and Karita. Can you give your experiences and suggestions.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2194846]I've been hanging out in Pattaya, HK, and HCM more than BKK. .[/QUOTE]Nice rack on that one MP, thanks.
1. It's your life and RFF.
2. Everyone gets ripped off one in a while. Try being married if you don't believe that.
3. Treat folks like you want to be treated. If they treat you like shit after you been nice, move on.
4. That stunner #47 just took a load in her mouth right before you. She's 20 and you are 60. Don't fall in love.
5. If folks don't like you because of your race creed nationality colour or religion, fuck them and move on. There aren't other places to go?
6. Jai Dee.
7. Don't be a. Don't be a Cheap Charlie.
8. Some coochie is better than others, but there ain't a lot of bad coochie.
9. Same with BJs.
10. You are walking on top of the ground instead of laying underneath it. Therefore it's a great day no matter what. Did I say Jai Dee?
I'll be there in October for a 6 month stay. Maybe I'll go to Baccara. I can speak bad Japanese, that will keep them amused. Watashi wa echi ojisan 555. And if I'm not treated nice, or if it isn't fun. I'll leave.
NB. If I would have seen MP doing public boom boom motions I would have laughed my ass off. It's all about FUN guys, death is serious and pussy ain't.
Good advice. At times we all take ourselves too seriously and the 2 main points are if your alive you are doing well and bad sex is better then no sex LOL.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2195332]1. It's your life and RFF.
3. Treat folks like you want to be treated. If they treat you like shit after you been nice, move on.
4. That stunner #47 just took a load in her mouth right before you. She's 20 and you are 60. Don't fall in love.
[/QUOTE]Not only is this great advice it is funny as fuck. The whole post is worth printing puts everything into perspective.
[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2195349]Not only is this great advice it is funny as fuck. The whole post is worth printing puts everything into perspective.[/QUOTE]Yes I like Mr Nyezhov's advice too. Great point made. A Classic post that some will disagree with, but is "spot on" for me. Rob should have quoted properly. I am "Jai Dee" (for useful people) but still ignore people that are of no interest to me. No Cheap Charlie. Just like we enjoy lots of girls, they give lots of guys a good dirty time. You don't ever want to serious during a sex session or with hookers. Its about having fun. If there is no fun, move on. I think Nyezhov covered all of that well.
Thai girls like guys that are "Jai Dee", however there have to be limits to it.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw]And behind closed doors, don't do anything that gets you a bad reputation. They will talk to each other..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Nyezhov;2195200]Truer words were never spoken. That's how I roll anywhere. Why'all can argue about Mr. Paws techniques and psychological state all you want, but that's how the world works.
-snip- [/QUOTE]While I mostly agree with everything else in your post, this part is wide open to subjective interpretation, imo. Yet I have not read anyone else questioning it, as though it is universally understood what one could do behind closed doors in this hobby, let's say in Thailand specifically, that "gets you a bad reputation".
Would you or anyone else who has already read this but not questioned it care to list a few things that punters do behind closed doors that would in a meaningful way make it difficult for them to take another girl in the bar because the girls talked badly about it?
I suspect I have done things behind closed doors that many posters here believe ought to make it almost impossible for another girl in the bar who heard about it to happily go with me and deliver very good service anyway. But I can't think of one time where that actually happened.
Of course, I'm not hazy on things like beating up the girls or kicking them out with little or no money/fee despite their giving fair and decent agreed upon service. There is no grey area in that kind of behavior. But there is a whole lot of other stuff some punters do far short of that kind of thing that other guys might say the girls will surely talk about and, therefore, the perpetrators might as well avoid that bar for a good long while.
Like what?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2195522]While I mostly agree with everything else in your post, this part is wide open to subjective interpretation, imo. Yet I have not read anyone else questioning it, as though it is universally understood what one could do behind closed doors in this hobby, let's say in Thailand specifically, that "gets you a bad reputation".
Would you or anyone else who has already read this but not questioned it care to list a few things that punters do behind closed doors that would in a meaningful way make it difficult for them to take another girl in the bar because the girls talked badly about it?
[/QUOTE]For sure I don't question it, and surprises me that you question it. Gossip is rife in the bar. Some girls or staff will tell me that certain girls are not for me, meaning well, since I treat my info source girls well. Equally well girls hear plenty of gossip about the customers, which maybe true, or greatly exaggerated. They will know a surprising amount of detail about what things you like to do in the room, unless the girl is too ashamed to mention she went along with it to her friends. Girls will know if you typically cum in 5 minutes or 50 minutes, quite likely.
Plenty of times a mamasan or other staff member will tell some newbie girl that I am a guy to be trusted, as have a good reputation. On the other hand I have been subject to undesirable gossip. E. g. , girls get to hear that I fuck for long time and don't come quick. Girls get to hear that I used to always / mostly take 2 girls at a time from Suzie Wong. One girl who does not like to do threesomes, and possibly having a delicate pussy, used to avoid me for over a year. Eventually she saw from her own observation that I was popular among good girls in the bar, and not cheap Charlie. She finally decided to approach me because she knew that her looks were special to me. Soon she became my regular girl, for normal non threesome bookings, because she found out I was a very worthwhile customer, despite rumours, and despite previously taking several different girls. There was nothing so bad to be avoided. She was superior to most girls in looks and style. Her fears of me due to gossip were totally unfounded really. She would handle that I cum slow as long as did not get a pounding.
I have been refused by hookers without knowing why on occasions. However very likely to be due to gossip about how I am and what I do, I. E. Reputation, or sometimes purely because I previously refused the girl when she approached me. There are several possibilities.
I do get to hear about reputation of other customers in the bar. I. e. The girl will say that a particular guy is a heavy groper, or a total waste of space and time, or cheap Charlie, or Mr. Stinky. Etc. There are guys that will be avoided, and others that are considered easy prey, or Psycho guys, etc. So not only is the general reputation of your peers from a Culture considered, but also personal reputation (which is much fairer). Personal good reputation can overcome the reputation of your peers.
Another problem can occur where girls may avoid a guy, if he is seen as "belonging" to some girl in the bar, who won't take kindly to others trying to "steal" her customer. This is absolute bullshit from the customer point of view, since it is our choice, and we are not married to the girl. One girl this year did a tantrum while drunk (and possibly on substances) since I don't take her any more. She just started work in Shark. She seems a bit psycho these days. I used to take her a lot years ago but then her body was great and while she was crazy she was fun. Now she has had a baby, her ass is now fattish rather than sleek, her pussy has altered and does not suit me anymore since her baby some time back in Suzie Wong (possibly doctor stitched her up a bit to taunt). Most of all she is now too crazy to be tolerable. However hard for her to understand why I have moved on. She used to think she had semi ownership, most likely. Fortunately has not affected my current regular girls in Shark. I enjoy a very good reputation there, which unfortunately then has to lead to keeping undesired girls away. Two favourite girls there is enough for me, so I can't be generous and buy drinks for any of their "friends" on a regular basis. Two well treated girls is plenty.
If a girl is popular in a bar, and she has several guys interested in her concurrently, your reputation could count for a lot, if she does not know you well personally. Customers with good reputation will be at the front of the queue.
Guys well known at Bacarra with good reputation and known to be not a waste of space, won't get asked to buy a drink before entry most likely. I did get asked to buy a drink first, probably because totally unknown by the doormen, and maybe I look like a hard type (deceptive). Will refusing to buy a drink before entry count in my favour next time? LOL Of course not if they remember me (unlikely - it's too long ago).
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2195464]Thai girls like guys that are "Jai Dee", however there have to be limits to it.[/QUOTE]Yep, I can see that you know what it is. Guys it's something inside. It's raining and ya broke your coffee mug and they overcharged your electric bill by two whole euros. Fuck yeah dude hey I'm alive, let's go to the Thai National Museum and study rice baskets and then get a beer. And a BJ O YEAH, yeehaww, life is good, hey baby before ya start sucking did I tell you about my coffee mug what a great day.
That's Jai Dee. Not getting on the Internet and bitching about your electric bill and Thai folks all be thieves. Bet the BJ girl will feel that attitude.
You are in Thailand. You are alive. What more do you need? Ya ain't got the misery of being stuck in traffic in LA, or wintering in Manchester or catering to some fat bitchy wife or being an Arsenal fan. You are in Thailand getting gobbled by a cute 20 year old. I can't wait till tomorrow maybe I'll have the trots. What an interesting day!
I note in number 7 below the Thai word I used got edited out. The reference was don't be someone who Thais will call a monitor lizard. Don't be rude, overbearing, smelly, howling noisy drunk, gropy, greedy, loud, arrogant, mean, violent, cheap or stupid.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2195540]For sure I don't question it, and surprises me that you question it. Gossip is rife in the bar. Some girls or staff will tell me that certain girls are not for me, meaning well, since I treat my info source girls well. Equally well girls hear plenty of gossip about the customers, which maybe true, or greatly exaggerated. They will know a surprising amount of detail about what things you like to do in the room, unless the girl is too ashamed to mention she went along with it to her friends. Girls will know if you typically cum in 5 minutes or 50 minutes, quite likely.
Plenty of times a mamasan or other staff member will tell some newbie girl that I am a guy to be trusted, as have a good reputation. On the other hand I have been subject to undesirable gossip. E. g. , girls get to hear that I fuck for long time and don't come quick. Girls get to hear that I used to always / mostly take 2 girls at a time from Suzie Wong. One girl who does not like to do threesomes, and possibly having a delicate pussy, used to avoid me for over a year. Eventually she saw from her own observation that I was popular among good girls in the bar, and not cheap Charlie. She finally decided to approach me because she knew that her looks were special to me. Soon she became my regular girl, for normal non threesome bookings, because she found out I was a very worthwhile customer, despite rumours, and despite previously taking several different girls. There was nothing so bad to be avoided. She was superior to most girls in looks and style. Her fears of me due to gossip were totally unfounded really. She would handle that I cum slow as long as did not get a pounding.
I have been refused by hookers without knowing why on occasions. However very likely to be due to gossip about how I am and what I do, I. E. Reputation, or sometimes purely because I previously refused the girl when she approached me. There are several possibilities.
I do get to hear about reputation of other customers in the bar. I. e. The girl will say that a particular guy is a heavy groper, or a total waste of space and time, or cheap Charlie, or Mr. Stinky. Etc. There are guys that will be avoided, and others that are considered easy prey, or Psycho guys, etc. So not only is the general reputation of your peers from a Culture considered, but also personal reputation (which is much fairer). Personal good reputation can overcome the reputation of your peers..[/QUOTE]I assume you realize most of what you posted has nothing to do with you or anyone else "doing something behind closed doors that would give you a bad reputation", right?
So it takes you longer to cum than others. Do you now work yourself into a frenzy to finish quickly for fear that the girls will talk about you and you'll get a bad reputation?
Some girl thinks you "belong" to another hooker. Since when is that something anyone can or should even bother trying to avoid by trying to "behave" themselves in some bizarre fashion behind closed doors?
You have been rejected by hookers without knowing why. Join the club. Every punter has had that happen, I'd wager every man reading this forum, and the chances of it having anything to do with those hookers hearing about some dastardly deed he committed behind closed doors is extremely remote.
Let me put it this way; an example I used of a no grey area act that ought to earn a punter a bad enough reputation to seriously put a crimp in his ability to get another girl in the bar to go with him was putting a girl out with little or no money even though she provided fair or decent agreed upon service. Well, I have put out several girls from various bars around town with little or no money. But never after they gave fair or decent agreed upon service. Only when it was clear to me they had lied in order to be barfined and were scamming me. That is a response I happily recommend anyone do under those same circumstances. And to whatever extent those girls talked about what I had done "behind closed doors", I am quite certain they bad mouthed the shit out of me and did not come close to telling the truth.
So what? I promise you I have never felt shunned by the better looking girls or any girls in those same bars. And I sure would not hand full payment to an obvious (to me) scammer out of fear that she would gossip me into a bad reputation. On the contrary, a much worse reputation to avoid in my book is to have scammers talk up what a roll over I am, willing to pay full fare for practically nothing. And you don't have to be an asshole to keep that clear with whoever must gossip about you afterwards. You can be as congenial as anyone about it, imo.
A Classic post that some will disagree with, but is "spot on" for me. Rob should have quoted properly. I am "Jai Dee" (for useful people) but still ignore people that are of no interest to me.
LOL all I did was copy and paste. LOL I'm too lazy to re-type.
But after reading post after it I think I understand what Jai Dee means.
Rob.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2194336]It's fairly difficult for anyone to sit in a gogo bar for long without having to order a first drink. After that they can milk the drink as long as they want. Never seen a gogo bar forcing someone to order a second drink, at least in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I consider ordering one drink and milking that over 4 hours to be tantamount to ordering nothing. The staff notices which type of customers do that and it's those type of customers who get the bad rep. People can try to call it racism or discrimination for reasons other than monetary, but it is not. It's simply that those type of people are not making them money. If you owned a gogo where every guy in there was milking one drink all night, you would quickly go bankrupt. Who can blame them for not wanting that type of guy as a customer?
I had heard it is great for sex, cheap and relatively easy to get. Just wanted to try some while over there.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2195674]I consider ordering one drink and milking that over 4 hours to be tantamount to ordering nothing. The staff notices which type of customers do that and it's those type of customers who get the bad rep. People can try to call it racism or discrimination for reasons other than monetary, but it is not. It's simply that those type of people are not making them money. If you owned a gogo where every guy in there was milking one drink all night, you would quickly go bankrupt. Who can blame them for not wanting that type of guy as a customer?[/QUOTE]Depends on what they are charging for a drink. I rarely go to GoGos because drinks are a ripoff. And no, they used to not be. The agency nonsense has sent things sky high. Now Pattaya is different from BKK; almost every bar has a 100 Baht draft. Some BKK bars are catching on and starting this practice as well. Most businesses here don't get volume. And one of the main reasons is; if they are doing volume, the lazy staff has to work harder.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2195646]
LOL all I did was copy and paste. LOL I'm too lazy to re-type.
[/QUOTE]You just click on "Reply with Quote". It is that easy. Copy and paste is quite wrong, as appears to be like a Copycat or interpreted as your own words.
[QUOTE=Jake251;2194094]
BTW, I'm the same guy who was told to pay 500 THB to enter Crazy House, and I'm 100% sure it was due to having the wrong skin colour. This matches many other identical reports on Google Maps Reviews.[/QUOTE]Nope it is not your skin colour. It is preconception about the behaviour of persons from certain cultures, in particular to the likely rate of money spend when inside, among other things. Also arguments about the bill are more common. Especially about not wanting to pay for girl drinks, perhaps. These days customers are required to sign every bill sheet to avoid disputes. Customers do forget their spend, and the bar does make mistakes also on occasion. So best to have evidence. Some guys like to sit on a bottle of water all night (long time) and are not desired customers. So it is all about a perception of which cultures provide worthwhile customers who don't make trouble and are not a big nuisance.
Anyway a recent visit to CH for me, did not last long. The line up at 10PM on Sat was quite weak. No recent new pretty girls. No old girls of interest. As soon as the stupid shows were about to start I quickly left after just 1 soda. This club has declined a lot. Still has a lot of customers, not sure why, but noticeably seats were available. Customers are clearly losing interest. Maybe another week day will be better. Have not BFed or even stayed long there this year. 3 years ago, it was vastly better for slim natural naked models. If they eventuallymove or expand into Old Dutch, the club will be too big, and death may follow, unless they can start attracting some pretty girls willing to be naked. Perhaps the prevalence of Coyotes in the other bars has weakened the supply of pretty girls badly. It was all very different 4 years ago.
In the case of Bacarra, it is different because Western guys like me, maybe required to buy a drink before entry as well, in case we are a waste of space. It may also be a trick to get money out of non regulars, when known that western guys will often leave quickly when no decent seats are available.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2195522]While I mostly agree with everything else in your post, this part is wide open to subjective interpretation, imo. Yet I have not read anyone else questioning it, as though it is universally understood what one could do behind closed doors in this hobby, let's say in Thailand specifically, that "gets you a bad reputation".
Would you or anyone else who has already read this but not questioned it care to list a few things that punters do behind closed doors that would in a meaningful way make it difficult for them to take another girl in the bar because the girls talked badly about it?
I suspect I have done things behind closed doors that many posters here believe ought to make it almost impossible for another girl in the bar who heard about it to happily go with me and deliver very good service anyway. But I can't think of one time where that actually happened.[/QUOTE]To be honest, when I started playing this game with the go go bar girls, I was possessed with a mindset of trying to get all bare services during sex. It was very easy for me and happened about third of the time. To me this was a high number especially when dealing with the better looking girls, not the run in the mill or below average dancers. I had to play and pretend I was going to be their "one and only, favorite customer for life. "When they felt assured, they gave in. Some even gave in on the first barfine, which was nuts to me. Lucky for me, back then, I didn't know which bars had the best looking girls. I would frequent "so so" bars such as Angel Witch or Rainbow 3. So imagine me, a fit and nice looking Asian who spent and tipped generously. Of course, it worked and I got my BBFS, but at the same time I was getting played by these girls. Because I was now stuck with one girl at a go go bar. I didn't come to Nana or Soi Cowboy to find a girlfriend stripper. I wanted to bang as many of the hot girls as possible. This was my first time to Thailand and I didn't know better. When I would try to swap a girl out for another girl at the same bar. What do you think happened? Girl #1, who gave me all full bare services, looked really bad to her friends to why she is getting dumped by her "one and only, favorite customer. " They of course don't know what went on behind closed doors. She would then have to save face and say something bad that I did and actually "she dumped me. " And of course, she used the #1 reason that will mark you horribly in a go go bar is having a reputation of demanding BBFS. Having one girl say that may not be damaging if she is just an average girl. But having one of the top girls say that. They all listen. Also having more than one girl spread that persona will destroy your chances at a go go club. So when I tried to get girl #2, #3 and so on it was a "no go". And I wasn't about to go after the fatties and fuglies. So I then conferred with a higher, more knowledgeable power. I was told to build my reputation strongly but make sure that only do in private to the limits where these girls won't tell. Also get them in predicaments where if they did, they would have to worry that I myself may share stories. But the stories I share won't necessarily scare off the next girl. Hence I created Mr. Blue and the reputation that goes with him. And the things Mr. Blue likes to do are as follow:
1. Does not make a girl drink, but understands the need for her to make her quota in drinks. So I don't mind spending money on drinks. If I'm barfining, 5 is usually my limit for her.
2. Always tip the waitress in their hand 100 baht for my bill. It's like $3. Never buy a drink which costs 150 to the bar, but they keep only 50. I also usually leave 60-80 baht on the tray for the rest of the bar staff.
3. Always buy mamasan a drink when she brings me new girls or recommends a girl I like. Never tip just for no reason or because she sticks her hand out.
4. Never long time or short time. I have to sleep alone. But I will pay you anywhere in between depending on your level of services. So anywhere from the 3000 baht and up is what a girl can make.
5. I will always give a girl 100 baht for taxi, no matter her level of service, even if she is horrible.
So having this reputation in the club is very desirable to the club staff and most girls in the club. Not to mention, the money I spend for my own entertainment, even if I don't have girl sitting next to me. But behind closed doors, I've limited myself to the following as max with BBBJ with CIM and some tying up with blindfolds and sex toys. No pain involved, just plenty of orgasms and gushing sometimes. But I pay extremely well for that. But putting the girls in that vulnerable and helpless position always makes them wonder, "what else was done during the blindfolding?" So in the end, if I swapped them out with the next girl. What else they can say to make me look bad and the next girl refuse? Look at the reputation that #1 - #5 had built for Mr. Blue. If she then told the rest of the girls in the club, "Behind closed doors, he liked to get kinky, tie me up, and made me cum over and over again. And then paid me extremely well plus my taxi. " I doubt that would stop the next girl from going with me. It hasn't. I keep marching on. I think I was 100% on my first 100 selections from the Go Go bars after I re-planned my reputation and game. It got a little tougher after that, but 4 rejections in 4 years is not bad. Keep in mind this is with top girls at the top go go bars where the girls are friends and like to chit chat amongst each other. Not freelancers, escorts, or Thermae were gossip and rumors are less likely.
So with go go bar girls and rejection. Things that will keep "the best of the best" girls from going with you are IMHO are.
1. Having a rep of seeking BBFS.
2. No paying the agreed amount for any reason.
3. Causing pain or hurt during sex for any reason.
4. Belonging or have a history with their best friend in / out of the club.
I like to use #239 at Baccara as a prime example. She used be one of my regulars about 6 months ago. One day I kicked her to the curb because she complained about only getting 6000 for short time. Normally, I barfine her and we spend about 3-4 hours with her doing everything in my game plan for about 8,000 baht. Then one night, I saw her sitting alone and decided to grab her just for a quickie. We sat at drank at Baccara for about 45 minutes and headed off to my room nearby. In my room, all we did was just normal sex for about an hour session. When finished, she asked me to Demo Club off Thong Lor, but I declined. I was going to sleep and paid her 6,000 baht (which is the normal LT rate for most Baccara girls). She looked at me and complained that I normally gave her 8,000. I said, yeah but we would do more kink and it was longer in time spent. She got angry and snatched the 6,000 and demanded her 100 baht for taxi. I got upset and handed her 50 baht for a motorbike taxi and told her "hopefully your hair will be okay. " A few days later, I went back to Baccara and saw another girl who used to work Baccara Pattaya. It was her first day in Soi Cowboy. We had gone with each other 2 times in Pattaya. I sat with her and we chatted over drinks. I asked her where she was staying and she told me Huay Kwang with her friend that also worked here. About 15 minutes later #239 come in to work and says ""Hi" to the girl I'm sitting with now, while rolling her eyes at me. Apparently, this was the friend she was staying with. Great, I thought. Anyways, I ended barfining her and paid her 4000 for ST. She did a few extras that earned her the 1000 baht tip. Afterwards, we went back to Baccara to hang out some more. When she went back to change back into her dance clothes, #239 started chatting to her again. Later, I asked her what #239 said and if it was about me. She said her friend told her that I was a bad customer who didn't pay her all her money. I asked her if she believed that? She said "no," because none of the girls at Baccara Pattaya ever complained except to say "he is such a butterfly!" So I decided to tell her the details of #239 and me. 6000 baht for short time is very generous, and she agreed. So the take from this story is that if your reputation is outstanding, one complaint from one girl won't hurt you. The other girls will back you up as long as you were straight up. Just keep doing what you are doing, and you will get exactly what you deserved. If you see now that you aren't liking it, better do something different. Don't be afraid to change it up.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2195824]
1. Does not make a girl drink, but understands the need for her to make her quota in drinks. So I don't mind spending money on drinks. If I'm barfining, 5 is usually my limit for her.
2. Always tip the waitress in their hand 100 baht for my bill. It's like $3. Never buy a drink which costs 150 to the bar, but they keep only 50. I also usually leave 60-80 baht on the tray for the rest of the bar staff.
3. Always buy mamasan a drink when she brings me new girls or recommends a girl I like. Never tip just for no reason or because she sticks her hand out.[/QUOTE]I don't quite see eye to eye with some of your points but it may just be me. I will never tip a waitress more than a regular 20 to 50 baht unless she is hot as hell and if she is that hot I'll buy her drinks and have her sit with me rather than tip her. Why? Because if you start tipping waitresses they always hang around you all night long. I prefer to have as much space as possible with my girls rather than having a rotund waitress 2 feet away from me watching like a hawk on when the girl nears the end of her drink. Some waitresses also encourage the girls in Thai to drink faster whereas if it's just my girl and I alone she will never drink quickly because she knows I will take care of her with a tip before I leave.
If you are selecting the popular girls meeting a drink quota is not an issue for them so never feel the need you should be the one to buy them a ton of drinks. If by chance it is the last day on their schedule and they still need 5 drinks then yes I will have no issues buying them 5 drinks so they can earn their 10,000 baht salary.
I have never seen the need to buy mamasan a drink or a tip. I can find my own girls and actually prefer if they don't start bringing girls to me. I am really picky who I buy a lady drink for.
Do I have a bad reputation with some ugly girls and waitresses? Certainly. Do I care? Not one bit. Do I have a bad reputation with any girl I like? Absolutely not!
Even if you have a bad reputation with a hot girl it can be reversed almost instantaneously by being a Weekend Millionaire one night. I was not friends with a couple of above average Infinity girls until recently. They saw me with 5 girls getting drinks one night. The next time they saw me they were all over me trying to become one of my regulars.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2195674] It's simply that those type of people are not making them money. [/QUOTE]Nonsense. Even for a bottle of water their profit margin is big and you're just filling excess capacity.
Hello everyone,
I'll be heading back to Bangkok next month and have never tried any of the BJ bars in Bangkok or Pattaya but I intend to on this trip. Is full service generally offered in these places or is it just usually a quick and dirty BJ? And recent reviews on Chrome Bar, Wood Bar, Kasalong or Soms Haven and help would be greatly appreciated.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2195824]I like to use #239 at Baccara as a prime example. She used be one of my regulars about 6 months ago. One day I kicked her to the curb because she complained about only getting 6000 for short time. Normally, I barfine her and we spend about 3-4 hours with her doing everything in my game plan for about 8,000 baht. Then one night, I saw her sitting alone and decided to grab her just for a quickie. We sat at drank at Baccara for about 45 minutes and headed off to my room nearby. In my room, all we did was just normal sex for about an hour session. When finished, she asked me to Demo Club off Thong Lor, but I declined. I was going to sleep and paid her 6,000 baht (which is the normal LT rate for most Baccara girls). She looked at me and complained that I normally gave her 8,000. I said, yeah but we would do more kink and it was longer in time spent. She got angry and snatched the 6,000 and demanded her 100 baht for taxi. I got upset and handed her 50 baht for a motorbike taxi and told her "hopefully your hair will be okay. " A few days later, I went back to Baccara and saw another girl who used to work Baccara Pattaya. It was her first day in Soi Cowboy. We had gone with each other 2 times in Pattaya. I sat with her and we chatted over drinks. I asked her where she was staying and she told me Huay Kwang with her friend that also worked here. About 15 minutes later #239 come in to work and says ""Hi" to the girl I'm sitting with now, while rolling her eyes at me. Apparently, this was the friend she was staying with. Great, I thought. Anyways, I ended barfining her and paid her 4000 for ST. She did a few extras that earned her the 1000 baht tip. Afterwards, we went back to Baccara to hang out some more. When she went back to change back into her dance clothes, #239 started chatting to her again. Later, I asked her what #239 said and if it was about me. She said her friend told her that I was a bad customer who didn't pay her all her money. I asked her if she believed that? She said "no," because none of the girls at Baccara Pattaya ever complained except to say "he is such a butterfly!" So I decided to tell her the details of #239 and me. 6000 baht for short time is very generous, and she agreed. So the take from this story is that if your reputation is outstanding, one complaint from one girl won't hurt you. The other girls will back you up as long as you were straight up. Just keep doing what you are doing, and you will get exactly what you deserved. If you see now that you aren't liking it, better do something different. Don't be afraid to change it up.[/QUOTE]You must be nuts. Paying 6000 baht for ST is way over the level we should accept. I am sure the girl was hot and money is no problem for you, but by paying such high prices we just contribute to destroy the market for other happy punters. This is Europe / USA prices! And the reason we travel all the way to Thailand is for cheap pussy, right? I just don't get it.
It is not an uncommon strategy in politics. I find girls play that type of games all the time. Get their story in first as it will stick more than subsequent stories. Guilty Dog Barks First. Had in happen on numerous occasions but I resist the urge to take it out on the next girl. In a high turnover situation the girls can get away with it. However, in longer term situations, their reputation catches up, not that it matters. There are plenty of SYTs to replace the SYT full of bile.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2195824]She said her friend told her that I was a bad customer who didn't pay her all her money. I asked her if she believed that? She said "no," because none of the girls at Baccara Pattaya ever complained except to say "he is such a butterfly!" So I decided to tell her the details of #239 and me. 6000 baht for short time is very generous, and she agreed. So the take from this story is that if your reputation is outstanding, one complaint from one girl won't hurt you. The other girls will back you up as long as you were straight up. Just keep doing what you are doing, and you will get exactly what you deserved. If you see now that you aren't liking it, better do something different. Don't be afraid to change it up.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Aviator12;2196108]You must be nuts. Paying 6000 baht for ST is way over the level we should accept. I am sure the girl was hot and money is no problem for you, but by paying such high prices we just contribute to destroy the market for other happy punters. This is Europe / USA prices! And the reason we travel all the way to Thailand is for cheap pussy, right? I just don't get it.[/QUOTE]What you find with MP is that his status is more important than anything else. He gives the impression that he will bed the girls and they will pay him. Most guys use this forum as an information sharing platform but MP uses it to boost his massive ego. How much is true is anyone's guess as he doesn't seem to get any collaboration from any other BMs.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2196120]What you find with MP is that his status is more important than anything else. He gives the impression that he will bed the girls and they will pay him. Most guys use this forum as an information sharing platform but MP uses it to boost his massive ego. How much is true is anyone's guess as he doesn't seem to get any collaboration from any other BMs.[/QUOTE]I don't know MP but I think I have a few friends like him in some ways who are also Chinese. When I visit my friends they always want to pay for everything, including girls. On the occasions they have to leave early, they always tell me they will pay for the girls that I was with. If someone is drunk, they will put him in another KTV room, and pay a host to do nothing except watching the guy sleep. These are just some simple examples. Some of them have multiple wives, and the wives know about each other, not only that, the wives know they monger outside too because they do it a couple of days a week, and talk openly in front of the wives.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2196032]I don't quite see eye to eye with some of your points but it may just be me. I will never tip a waitress more than a regular 20 to 50 baht unless she is hot as hell and if she is that hot I'll buy her drinks and have her sit with me rather than tip her. Why? Because if you start tipping waitresses they always hang around you all night long. I prefer to have as much space as possible with my girls rather than having a rotund waitress 2 feet away from me watching like a hawk on when the girl nears the end of her drink. Some waitresses also encourage the girls in Thai to drink faster whereas if it's just my girl and I alone she will never drink quickly because she knows I will take care of her with a tip before I leave.
If you are selecting the popular girls meeting a drink quota is not an issue for them so never feel the need you should be the one to buy them a ton of drinks. If by chance it is the last day on their schedule and they still need 5 drinks then yes I will have no issues buying them 5 drinks so they can earn their 10,000 baht salary.
[/QUOTE]I tend to disagree. Once you have worked out a favourite waitress, she can be very useful (not hot), as a source of information. Has a girl been seen lately?, all the latest gossip. Helping you to get the best seat as soon as it becomes available. So nothing wrong with her hanging around and giving you good service and reward her appropriately. It does not cause me any issues with buying girl drinks sooner, you just say no if not ready to buy a drink. If the waitress pesters you too much, then you have the wrong one. It's not about whether she is skinny or fat, but more about whether she is useful and not bothersome. There are some really excellent waitresses around that are very useful, even if that is not the norm. I only want to tip the really good worthwhile ones.
It is customary to tip the mamasan 100 Baht when paying the barfine, regardless of how unnecessary she is, in Bangkok. For sure if you start buying mamasan drinks she will hanging around and that is not good.
One thing you never want to indulge in in Bangkok is ping pong balls. That is just wasting tip money to the management as girls get a small share. Better to tip directly those that are useful to you.
[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;2195745]I had heard it is great for sex, cheap and relatively easy to get. Just wanted to try some while over there.[/QUOTE]Just consult the web about effects of amphetamines, might make some enjoy sex more, while some males may enjoy it less.
YaaBaa is used by girls to help them stay awake, be lively, and work properly, probably reducing shyness, and maybe making them more horny (not sure).
I doubt us guys need to reduce shyness or get more horny. I don't see any good reasons to try it at all, and same goes for Ice.
Probably most guys on here have no interest try YaaBaa, especially as we have seen how crazy (raunchy and spaced out) girls on it can be.
I am sure it is illegal and you could be on a drug charge if caught out! Police could plant some extra on you, and claim you are a distributer.
This is previous week's report.
Landed in BKK around 8 pm Wednesday evening, not many people at Suvarnbhumi cleared immigration in 15 minutes, booked a taxi and I was in hotel by 10 pm. Damn tired so thought of trying WeChat then the ladyboy shit happened which I have posted in earlier report. Wrapped up everything by 12 and booked a cab to Cowboy, goddamn Grab driver's first day at work and he doesn't know how to drive to Cowboy. Soon I figured out he doesn't know how to navigate using google maps so guided to Cowboy using my phone. Arrived by 12:45 pm and CH was my first hit but they wouldn't allow me unless paying 500 baht entry fee, the reason has already been discussed in recent posts. I even showed them ID card to convince I'm here to spend money but they wouldn't agree. I moved on and entered into the main alley, nothing interesting so headed to Baccara.
It was 1 am and my fingers were crossed to find someone nice. Downstairs was virtually empty with 4-5 gentlemen and 2-3 girls on stage, maybe weekday is not so packed. Soon I was upstairs bought a beer myself and took a seat, I could count all gentlemen using one-hand mostly Japanese just a single farang. A topless dance or whatever that shit was going on. I was hungry due to all the shitty stuff happened early in the evening so ordered a pizza. Couple of girls approached for LD but hey wait I just come, politely said no. #25 and #23 caught my eye but the implant scars on #25 were still significantly visible along with couple of LD slips strapped in the undies, my guess she had no plans to go with customer still was observing her. I kept observing both nonetheless and almost zeroed to call #23. From her dancing skills and eye contact I was damn sure she was new.
Soon my pizza came and the lady #17 sitting just besides me started conversing, I liked her company so a LD followed and soon #23 joined us. They checked my Thai speaking skills and I checked their Lao speaking skills, it was amusing. I ordered a LD for #23 as well, they both were super funny, even figured out I must be going to the gym 555. #17 told she is from Issan and #23 is from Chiang Mai, well who cares. #17 asks if I like someone and I pointed to to #25 on floor and asked if she could go LT, her answer was I had to call #25 for a LD and ask then I pointed to her LD, she got up and asked #25 my question. Soon #25 was besides me, said 4 k for ST, 6 k for LT and she would stay till 6 am. I asked if she could stay until 8-9 am, said no and left. #17 came from her dance turn and I asked about #23's LT availability, she spoke to #23 to and said could stay until 6 am since she had class in the morning at University. However, #17 was ready for LT until 8 am for 6 k and one more LD, she had implants what I hate the most so denied. I called #23 and we agreed till 6 am for 5 k. I paid for pizza, drinks and barfine 600 baht, before leaving asked #17 her LINE / WeChat but she was angry since I didn't take her, promised to take her in my next and left with #23.
#23's name is Apple, inside taxi she said I made her embarrassed by BFing her but not her friend, I said don't bother it happens all the time. Inside room we gossiped for a while, she is studying Hotel Management in BKK and going with customers to support her studies since parents are not together anymore. She was 21 and it was her 4th day at Baccara, I was right. She was shy for shower together, I didn't force. The BJ was the worst I had in recent times but gave one of the best DFK I had in my life. She become damn horny and in few minutes was on top of me. Continued in cowgirl for 10 minutes, changed to miss. Changed to jockey and I could feel how horny she was, scratching and grasping my hands with a moaning you could die for. I finished in that position, she checked if the cover blew since I was using this super thin cover. After cleaning up she asked to leave, when I encountered about LT said she has to complete her homework so can't really stay. I really liked her but this made my mood off, I handed her 2 k with no tip and clarified that I could have tipped her 500 but she said LT then cheated in room. Added her in WeChat and she left.
Ratings:
Attitude- 7/10 don't lie if you can't go LT.
Boobs- 9/10 not big but natural and handful which I like the most.
Body- 8/10 a little chubby but no complains.
BBBJ- 4/10 my balls were paining for next 2 days.
DFK- 10/10.
FS- 10/10 that moaning I could feel even now.
WIR. Yes anytime. I don't care much about the BBBJ.
My overall experience at Baccara has been nice till date, although the girls there are all ST material compared to CH where you could easily find LT ladies.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2196032]I don't quite see eye to eye with some of your points but it may just be me. I will never tip a waitress more than a regular 20 to 50 baht unless she is hot as hell and if she is that hot I'll buy her drinks and have her sit with me rather than tip her. Why? Because if you start tipping waitresses they always hang around you all night long. I prefer to have as much space as possible with my girls rather than having a rotund waitress 2 feet away from me watching like a hawk on when the girl nears the end of her drink. Some waitresses also encourage the girls in Thai to drink faster whereas if it's just my girl and I alone she will never drink quickly because she knows I will take care of her with a tip before I leave.
If you are selecting the popular girls meeting a drink quota is not an issue for them so never feel the need you should be the one to buy them a ton of drinks. If by chance it is the last day on their schedule and they still need 5 drinks then yes I will have no issues buying them 5 drinks so they can earn their 10,000 baht salary..[/QUOTE]The things I mentioned about tips and drinks is ONLY when I intend to barfine a girl or how I approach a new girl for the first time. That means I have a new girl in my line of sight and it has always worked 100% of the time. I have gotten each an every new girl this way without rejection. My rejections or barfines with poor service always comes at my own doing. Meaning, I choose a girl without the advice or help from others. Some have worked out and others have not. For example #401 Fern at Palace. I wrote a review about her and her sucky experience in Pattaya Reports already, so no need to go into details. But here is a good example of what I mean by me tipping out those who help me. The other night I was a go go bar to which the waitstaff already knew my reputation and my routine. They know if that night, I target and hunt a specific girl, it's in their best interest to play along and earn their tips. First when I came in, the waitstaff told me their was a brand new girl working tonight. Just like you have an idea of what Monkeypaw likes, so does the waitstaff, mamasan and most of the dancers that know me. They know I like the trophy girls that stand above the rest in the club. Slim, nice ample boobs, pretty, and can be picky as they want to be in choosing their customers each night. I like these types to play with. So if there is new talent, and it's a hot girl, everybody in the club knows she is going to get hunted down by me.
Within a few minutes, another pretty dancer, who I have been with already, also walks to my table to say "Hi. " She also tells me there is a new girl that she thinks I will like and points out the same new girl that the waitress did. In her, I already know what she is thinking inside her head.
1. If she is right, then it means that she herself is pretty and her taste is good because pretty girls always want confirmation by comparing themselves indirectly. You just have to pick up on their cues.
2. She knows that I will reward her for helping me with the new girl with free drinks at least for tonight.
3. Also it's a chance she gets to chat with me, so I may get her again at a later date. Keeps our rapport alive because we had a history.
When I looked at the girl, it was obvious she was new. If a girl is new, she will often sit or stand alone. You may already know that these girls work in groups or clicks. And usually new girls are forced out unless they have some help and friends. So I quickly assess the new girl from head to toe and then watched her demeanor. Most of the time they are just new to the club, not new to hustling men. She has long straight hair to which I like, a nice face, slim and big boobs. I nod my head in agreement to both the waitress and the dancer I've been with already that the new girl was exactly what I wanted for tonight. They are happy that I'm happy and have my eyes set on a new play toy. And now the game begins with everyone.
To make sure nobody else gets her, I called my regular mamasan to bring the girl to me. I ask her to give me the scoop on the new girl and if she is barfineable or not. Mamasan says "yes, but has a customer just buy her a drink". I tell mamasan, I'll take her to barfine so you know what to do. This is how my mamasan earns her 100 baht. Mamasan then tells the new girl, that I want to buy her a drink as well, but she also talks to the new girl. I already know that mamasan tells her that I am a very good and generous customer and she has known me a long time. The girl takes a quick look at me and her other customer and has to make a quick decision. When she comes down, she's see me sitting with the pretty dancer that also recommended her, but they are not friends. But I can tell she looks happy, because in her mind, she gets to meet another dancer who could possibly be her friend at the club. The other customer is just sitting alone, waiting for her. She tells me honestly that he bought her a drink first, so she has to quickly sit with him, but she will be right back. I watch as she sits with him, orders a shot of tequila rose, drinks it, and within one minute, she is bouncing her ass back to my table to join us. Sitting down, the new dancer quickly chats with the girl I've already been with, to make sure their is no disrespect. I can understand what they say and she tells the new girl, "he is my friend and a good customer. Many girls like him, but he is very picky."
Awesome that my previous girl is earning her free drinks for tonight. She knows I know, and winks at me. Waitress comes over and takes the drink order for us all. The new girl orders a big drink to sit and sip and talk to me. The other pretty dancer, also gets a big drink so she can sit, relax, and help build me up. When the models come around, they all know the game and my routine so well too. If I'm with a pretty new girl, I will buy the models who I have been with a shot when they come with the tray of tequila shots. So ironically, it's always the pretty models I have been with that come around every time I'm sitting with a new girl. When the models walk by my table and hold up the tray, I buy the the models I've been with, and both girls all a shot. The models smile, introduce themselves, and quick chat the new girl. I can understand them saying "lucky girl, he is a good customer. " The models have earned their shots and move on. Now the new girl feels more comfortable knowing that other the prettier girls have just chatted with her and not ignored her like they have before I came in. The dancer I've been with takes her last shot with the new girl. And automatically, she knows after her second drink, it's her cue to leave. Now all is left is me and the new girl.
We chat for a bit before mamasan comes over and asks me if she is okay. And did I want to barfine her? As of she didn't know the answer already. By now if she wasn't, I would not have gone through all that trouble. I ask the new girl if she is able to barfine, and mamasan tells her again "he is Jai Dee. " She says okay and doesn't even ask long or short. I tell mamasan put the barfine on my bill and tip her 100 baht. Mamasan has earned it tonight. I tell the girl that I'll buy her 3 more drinks and we can sit here and chat. , no rush. When the drinks come, I don't force her to drink. I tell her I just want her to make her 5 drink quota. It's up to her whether or not she drinks them. She seemed happy. What impression do you think she has of me now? Try to keep this one is what I bet she's thinking. During our chat, she hears the spill I give to all girls about me. I've said it like 300 times and it comes out of my mouth like a rehearsed speech.
When she goes to change her clothes, you can see all the faces of the girls I've been with in this club. It's like the "he's doing it again look". I've only had to 2 girls previously who attempted to pussy block me. One at Sapphire and the other at Baccara. When my new girls went to change, these 2 girls would tell them crap like "you aren't anything special, you are just new. " And the new girls would tell me they had been confronted by these girls. Then I ask them to point them out. It's always the girls that I've been with and things soured, who were the culprits. So these are the girls that I embarrass in front of the entire club in case anybody wondered.
When the bill comes, the waitress puts in another good word for me. Anyways, I pay bill, tip the waitress 100 baht in her hand for the help (she whispered to me some secrets about the new girl earlier) and get the hell out of there. Since it's a super hot trophy girl, I go show her off at another club and help her make friends there. At the other clubs, the pretty ones that I've been with, come for their free one drink, help me build rapport with the new girl, and invite the new girl to work at their club. So what does all this truly come out to you may ask? The new girl feels like a "superstar" for the night. I already can tell it's easy for her to get a customer, she's pretty and has a sexy body. By her looks alone, anyone can tell she has game, so I need to play mine better. That night I gave her something else that was missing with the help of the other girls, waitress, and mamasan. I gave her some status amongst her peers at her workplace. She went with what she considered a "first choice customer. " This is the type of customer all the girls want. It's very hard to comprehend unless you have been in this predicament. She goes back to my room and does everything I want for the standard 5000 LT rate. And she does it on our first date.
Seriously, I want to see how many guys can grab a "new" top end trophy girl, on the first try and first date, who allowed herself to be photographed, tied up, played with, sexed, and CIM. This routine follows my reputation and works for me but of course I couldn't have done it alone. Those who help me get what I want get rewarded and those who try to stop me, get embarrassed. It's better just to play along nicely with me and most of the girls understand that. The next time I go back to that same bar, the previous new girl that gave me the "all out extraordinary experience" by now realized she wasn't the only one. The other girls have told her who I was. But it was still game over for her. However she is smart enough to know that it is wise to keep being nice to him. He will eventually barfine you again or you can always drink with him and help him grab another new girl. The girls there will also tell her "Congrats! You made it on his list. And on his list are the only pretty ones in here. Welcome to our click. " Next time I see her, she is sitting with all the girls I've been with and they all just grin at me.
So to answer BB, no I don't tip like this always. If I come just to look and there is no new talent or anything I'm interested in I will just tip a 20-30 baht per drink or max 20% of the bill, whichever is less but it's all on the tray and none in the hand. No barfined girl, no tip for anyone except what's on the tray. This is why the staff is always trying to help me by bringing me their new prettiest talent. And the reason for the 5 drinks, it keeps her at my table in case there is another customer with much more game than me. In the past, I've stolen girls from other customers tables before (even after they agreed to be barfined by the other customer). I also once had a girl and mamasan pay back the barfine to the customer, just because I walked into the go go club and everyone knew I was her preferred customer. It seems like a dick move, but it's all about getting what you want when it comes to P4P. There is no honor to be had at go go bars. The girls there are to not only fuck you but fuck you out of all your money, your family, and your life. That's what it means when they are making those hand gestures to each other when they have been barfined. "he fucks me, but I will fuck him right back out of everything he has". Also I don't want to settle for less quality, so I can care less about the next customer when it comes to competition. I did enough of that crap when I was younger. And personally, if any guy had the ability to walk into a go go bar a make out with his first choice of girls in looks and performance and not worry about rejection or another customer, he would. But maybe to some, my choices aren't really that pretty, sexy, or hot. So I may be spending all this cash for just so so talent. Here's a pic of the last new girl I played with in this report and members on here can judge for themselves if she was worth all the tipping. I think so, but we all have different idea of what a trophy girl looks like. Also remember, hog tied on first try!
[QUOTE=RobJones;2196120]What you find with MP is that his status is more important than anything else. He gives the impression that he will bed the girls and they will pay him. Most guys use this forum as an information sharing platform but MP uses it to boost his massive ego. How much is true is anyone's guess as he doesn't seem to get any collaboration from any other BMs.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure I share valuable information more than most members. Let's see. I've shared girls names, photos, where they work at, their badge numbers and my experience with them. All anyone has to do is go seek them out and take their shot at the girls I write about. If they like how this girl looked or is considering having the same experience, they know where to find them. I've read reports that I thought "dang, this chick that this guy is writing about sounds hot. "Then I'm like." what does she look like. How do I get her?" There is no info that leads me to the girl in the report. Is this what is considered sharing? If so, I must be doing it all wrong.
[QUOTE=Aviator12;2196108]You must be nuts. Paying 6000 baht for ST is way over the level we should accept. I am sure the girl was hot and money is no problem for you, but by paying such high prices we just contribute to destroy the market for other happy punters. This is Europe / USA prices! And the reason we travel all the way to Thailand is for cheap pussy, right? I just don't get it.[/QUOTE]Why don't you do this. I need you to go to Baccara in Soi Cowboy. #239 comes in at 9 pm everyday and dances to the right as you come in he door. She has black hair, lovely face, and new man made boobs. She is slim, leggy, and maybe 48 kilos. Probably top 3 girls in the entire club. I want you to tell her that you are going to barfine her, take her to your hotel room, tie her wrists and ankles, shock her nipples, pull out a rabbit vibrator, make her cum 4 times in less than 30 minutes with that rabbit, fuck her in all sorts of ways, play with her G spot with toys until she squirts, and then make her give you a BBBJ until you cum in her mouth and she gets to drink it all. Then tell her you want to only pay the standard 3000. If you can get #239 do all that for less, please report back and take some photos. Hate to spill the truth but girls' prices aren't fixed at a go go bar. We have this discussion before, top trophy girls get to call their shots. And just because a another customer can't afford it, doesn't mean the next guy doesn't get to enjoy it.
My rule of thumb is get the exact girl you want, get her to do exactly what you want, and pay whatever you feel comfortable with. If you happy, she's happy, then I'm happy. The world works much better this way. Are you telling me or any other punter to not use whatever God given gifts we have just to appease the P4P market?
[QUOTE=Aviator12;2196108]You must be nuts. Paying 6000 baht for ST is way over the level we should accept. I am sure the girl was hot and money is no problem for you, but by paying such high prices we just contribute to destroy the market for other happy punters. This is Europe / USA prices! And the reason we travel all the way to Thailand is for cheap pussy, right? I just don't get it.[/QUOTE]Why are you going to Thailand for cheap pussy? If you want cheap you can get it in USA / UK, $30 Hookers in USA and 35 euro hookers in EU are plenty. Save the air ticket costs, why don't you? He's paying 6000 thb equivalent of a $300 USA hooker, Baccara has possibly the best silicone up chicks available for the normal joe. That 6000 thb price tag is still very cheap for many.
[QUOTE=Klassic;2196262]Why are you going to Thailand for cheap pussy? If you want cheap you can get it in USA / UK, $30 Hookers in USA and 35 euro hookers in EU are plenty. Save the air ticket costs, why don't you? He's paying 6000 thb equivalent of a $300 USA hooker, Baccara has possibly the best silicone up chicks available for the normal joe. That 6000 thb price tag is still very cheap for many.[/QUOTE]The entire point of coming to Thailand was cheap pussy. Really, performance? For the most part Thai gals pale in comparison to their Western counterparts. 200 USD is not cheap.
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[QUOTE=Amnesia;2196071]Nonsense. Even for a bottle of water their profit margin is big and you're just filling excess capacity.[/QUOTE]If you believe that, open a gogo for strictly Indian customers. See how long you stay in business.
Hit Nana Plaza the other night at about 8:30. Way too early, but had a few beers as things geared up. Looked in a few places, Billboard was clearly the best for thin ladies. Saw #84 dancing on the merry-go-round. I smiled at her, she smiled back. When I saw she had braces, I thought I would keep looking, but before I knew it, the mamasan was bringing her over. She was really good looking, so I did not complain. Probably 22, great body, pretty face, only downside was braces and totally flat chested. I ended up buying her 3 LDs, one for the horrible fat ugly mamasan, and one for a nice waitress who was friendly and cool. Pulled #84 LT, BF was 1000 baht, LT was 5000. I could have haggled it down I think, because the bar looked pretty slow, but I could not be bothered and as I said, she was looking pretty fine.
Very wise choice, she was young, but really nice and enthusiastic.
As far as the lineup goes, there were a bunch of very hot girls, but much better quality on the merry-go-round than in the hot tub. There were probably 10 or 12 girls that I would have BFed, but I just went with the flow after the mama pushed #84 on me. I hear all the comments about the 2 LD policy and the pushy mamasan. They are all true. But if you are willing to put up the cash, I think the talent in Billboards is up there with the best in town.
The next day, thought I would order a Smooci. Booked a girl named Kara, as she looked cute. Big mistake. When she showed up, she was 10 to 15 years older than the photos, had saggy boobs, a really bad baby pouch, and basically a dumpy body. She was a nice enough lady, but really not good looking at all. I have had good experiences with Smooci in the past, but this was pretty horrendous and has sort of put me off the whole platform, particularly as she had a 4.5 point rating. In the future, I will only book smooci girls with good ratings here, or on Bangkok Addicts.
To redeem myself, I went up to Soi 23 to have a look around. Wandered into Snow White, and met a famous performer, Candy. Great experience. She is young, very petite and skinny, is totally flat chested, and has a bit of baby damage. However, she has a pretty face, and most importantly, is totally service oriented. Amazing experience. Booked 1. 5 hours and she was determined to squeeze 3 shots out of me. 2300 baht plus tip. For what it is worth, the facility is a bit of a dump (with, for example, a putrid smell coming out of the shower drain), but they will do outcall to nearby hotels for 3000.
Happy hunting guys.
[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2196184]-snip-
Baccara.
It was 1 am and my fingers were crossed to find someone nice. Downstairs was virtually empty with 4-5 gentlemen and 2-3 girls on stage, maybe weekday is not so packed. Soon I was upstairs bought a beer myself and took a seat, I could count all gentlemen using one-hand mostly Japanese just a single farang. A topless dance or whatever that shit was going on. I was hungry due to all the shitty stuff happened early in the evening so ordered a pizza. Couple of girls approached for LD but hey wait I just come, politely said no. #25 and #23 caught my eye but the implant scars on #25 were still significantly visible along with couple of LD slips strapped in the undies, my guess she had no plans to go with customer still was observing her. I kept observing both nonetheless and almost zeroed to call #23. From her dancing skills and eye contact I was damn sure she was new..[/QUOTE]Interesting report. Good on you for cutting her fee down to 2000 for converting an agreed upon LT to a ST. But it must have been after 2 am by the time you got to your room so a 6 am departure would have barely qualified as a LT anyway, no? Still, a 600 (?) baht barfine + 2000 for ST with a decent, repeatable girl from a top Soi Cowboy go-go bar must be about as low cost as it gets these days.
You are well into repeating with her and it seems she gave you her WeChat info on the way so she must not have been ticked off enough by your reduction in payment to walk off in a huff, right? There was no indication that she would ruin your reputation by telling the other girls about what happened behind closed doors re that payment? Would you say she is as eager to repeat a ST with you for the same 2000 baht? Or does she have reason to bank on it being a 2500 ST as long as she doesn't lie about it?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2196317]Interesting report. Good on you for cutting her fee down to 2000 for converting an agreed upon LT to a ST. But it must have been after 2 am by the time you got to your room so a 6 am departure would have barely qualified as a LT anyway, no? Still, a 600 (?) baht barfine + 2000 for ST with a decent, repeatable girl from a top Soi Cowboy go-go bar must be about as low cost as it gets these days.
You are well into repeating with her and it seems she gave you her WeChat info on the way so she must not have been ticked off enough by your reduction in payment to walk off in a huff, right? There was no indication that she would ruin your reputation by telling the other girls about what happened behind closed doors re that payment? Would you say she is as eager to repeat a ST with you for the same 2000 baht? Or does she have reason to bank on it being a 2500 ST as long as she doesn't lie about it?[/QUOTE]You are no doubt correct, it merely qualifies as LT, however as per Baccara girls ST is 1 shot or 2 Hrs whichever is earlier and LT is 4 Hrs for most good looking girls. I am not sure whether they were fooling me around but both #17 and #25 mentioned me these timings for ST / LT. We reached hotel around 2:15 and my plan was 3 shots before she leaves at 6 am or whatever so 4000 sounded a right price to me. I don't remember correctly but I guess barfine is 1000 for downstairs girls and 600 for upstairs girls at Baccara irrespective you are taking for LT / ST, correct me if I'm wrong.
First thing, her communication was really convincing when we agreed for LT at 4000, I never felt she was lying. However, if she had not agreed for LT I would never have BFed her. I might have end up BFing #17. The reason she changed her mind I doubt is the cover rupture thing she doubted, it was super thin and being new to this she was scared it ruptured inside while I was throttling her. May be that was the reason she didn't want to continue.
I really liked her and would have given 500-800 tip had she stayed with me until 6 am. When she changed her mind to ST it was disappointing for me, she asked me for tip but I asked her stay until what we agreed to get the tip. She gave me her WeChat after all this happened before leaving, so I guess she was not unhappy. After she left I sent her a sad face smiley to which she replied good night. I don't know what was going in her mind but guess she had no intention to ruin my reputation. I won't mind a ST 2500 + 600 barfine with her at any point of time but lying is something I hate the most.
May be another report on her will make it clear.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2196317]Interesting report. Good on you for cutting her fee down to 2000 for converting an agreed upon LT to a ST. But it must have been after 2 am by the time you got to your room so a 6 am departure would have barely qualified as a LT anyway, no? Still, a 600 (?) baht barfine + 2000 for ST with a decent, repeatable girl from a top Soi Cowboy go-go bar must be about as low cost as it gets these days.
You are well into repeating with her and it seems she gave you her WeChat info on the way so she must not have been ticked off enough by your reduction in payment to walk off in a huff, right? There was no indication that she would ruin your reputation by telling the other girls about what happened behind closed doors re that payment? Would you say she is as eager to repeat a ST with you for the same 2000 baht? Or does she have reason to bank on it being a 2500 ST as long as she doesn't lie about it?[/QUOTE]I do that anytime a girl wants to cut the evening short after agreeing upon LT, hand them 2 k and let them know that you aren't pleased. Had a girl last trip for 3 k a night and on the second day (didn't pay her for the first day) we went out to the bars, ate together but before we could get in a second round after an afternoon romp she wanted to go to a friends birthday party. So I paid her for the first day only since she didn't want to stick around for another round.
[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2196521]I don't remember correctly but I guess barfine is 1000 for downstairs girls and 600 for upstairs girls at Baccara irrespective you are taking for LT / ST, correct me if I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]I have only barfine from downstairs. It is the same price but you have to buy 2 lady drinks plus and the barfine. I know the popular girls will only go to the ST rooms across the street if they don't know you and maybe for only 1 hour. All the popular girls are downstairs.
Someone told me to try it. That it greatly enhances the sex. I read about it on the internet and wouldn't mind. I was told to ask a bar girl and she would bring it to your hotel. Is this a safe method?
[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;2196605]Someone told me to try it. That it greatly enhances the sex. I read about it on the internet and wouldn't mind. I was told to ask a bar girl and she would bring it to your hotel. Is this a safe method?[/QUOTE]Avoid. If caught, you're looking at the rest of your life in a Thai prison.
[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;2196605]Someone told me to try it. That it greatly enhances the sex. I read about it on the internet and wouldn't mind. I was told to ask a bar girl and she would bring it to your hotel. Is this a safe method?[/QUOTE]Yaabaa is / or is close to Amphetamin (spelling?).
I would not recommend it.
[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;2196605]Someone told me to try it. That it greatly enhances the sex. I read about it on the internet and wouldn't mind. I was told to ask a bar girl and she would bring it to your hotel. Is this a safe method?[/QUOTE]Are you kidding? Yaba is drug and is illegal, try hit if you want to risk to spend several years in the infamous Bangkok Hilton (and if you don't know about Bangkok Hilton, google it). I think is against forum's rules asking where and how to find drugs!
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2194773]
Eihtooms, do you need us to quote all of MP's posts so you can read them?[/QUOTE]If someone has blocked you and you want to see his posts then just read the forum without logging in.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2195824]...Keep in mind this is with top girls at the top go go bars where the girls are friends and like to chit chat amongst each other. Not freelancers, escorts, or Thermae were gossip and rumors are less likely.
So with go go bar girls and rejection. Things that will keep "the best of the best" girls from going with you are IMHO are.
1. Having a rep of seeking BBFS.
2. No paying the agreed amount for any reason.
3. Causing pain or hurt during sex for any reason.
4. Belonging or have a history with their best friend in / out of the club.
I like to use #239 at Baccara as a prime example.[/QUOTE]Two more things that will get you plenty of rejections at a go go bar from the girls, especially the top looking ones (who are all friends). This list was complied with the help of some the go go bar girls at Rainbow 2 by the way.
5. Having a reputation or rumor of an STD.
6. Having a reputation of poor hygiene.
Let's see. Maybe because it's illegal as hell in the USA? And every time that hooked up with a hooker in the States, I would have to worry about a pimp and LE knocking on the door? I've mongered in the USA plenty, and it's scary. There are stings and prostitution busts everywhere. A high end escort with the body and looks that I prefer, in the USA is about $250-500 for maybe 1-2 hours and there is absolutely no game playing or chase to it. It's too easy to fuck them. And I have way too much time on my hand because I have nothing else to do. I like the games the top end Thai go go bar girls play with customers. I like the chase they provide me. Honestly, it's fun for me to play back with them.
This is a full list to where I've payed and played with countless of hundreds and hundreds of girls from escorts, brothels, karaoke bars, massage shops, red light districts, strippers, and sex clubs in my entire life: USA, Mexico, Philippines, Hong Kong, China, Russia, Indonesia, Germany, Belgium, UK, Holland, Japan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Switzerland, Spain, Italy, Czech Rep, Austria, Hungary, South Korea, UAE, Qatar, and Ukraine.
But #1 is always going to be Thailand because those trophy girls in Thailand go go bars are not easy. I enjoy finding and targeting the best girl at the best go go bar. Isn't that what hunting means? You are supposed to be eyeing the top and best trophy girl, and then see if you have enough game to nab and catch her. I enjoying stealing her form her customers, making them envious. I enjoy making her mine for a few hours, days, or weeks, then swapping her out for her best friend. I enjoy making them a bit jealous of each other when it comes to me. Sometimes I get a kick out of them getting angry at me. I once had a girl who I have been with a long long time ago try to kick me while dancing on stage. She was drunk and I guess her true feelings about me came out. She was one of the first girls I barfined at that club and by then I had already gone through about 20 other girls. I guess she got tired of seeing me walk out with a different girl after I ditched her. It's call creating chaos. The rest of the girls in other countries are simply too easy to get. Not enough drama, not enough story line. It's all about the entertainment for me. I came to Thailand to enjoy playing games and fucking girls with the playmate looks and playmate bodies like in the two pics with Thai girls in bikinis (these are what I mean by top tier trophy girls). Not like the average girls wearing white dresses in third pic (these girls come to easy for me). And yes, there have been times when I've done a non silicone girl with only cute looks for charity. No regrets there either, but it was way too easy.
(By the way, when I write that I had paid a girl like #239 at Baccara a high amount like 8,000 for 3-4 hours or 10,000 LT or 15,000 for 24 hours, those are far few and only for a handful of girls, plus not all the time. These girls are always trophy girls with the looks and bodies of playmate models. These handful of girls were / are my favorite and I was / am their VIP customer. That means, even if you or any other customer is sitting and drinking with them, they will finish their drink, dump any other customer, and walk out with me for the night. And that's done by my choice, meaning if I want them tonight or not. Not by their choice. To be a VIP customer to a specific girl like #239 at Baccara, you always have to pay her more and treat her better than the rest. Not sure if most or any average guy on here will understand what I'm saying when it comes to reputation and paying more to be a VIP customer. But if anyone finds themselves getting rejected over and over by the better looking girls, and not knowing why, then it's wise to heed my advice).
[QUOTE=Gonzo88;2196316]Hit Nana Plaza the other night at about 8:30. Way too early, but had a few beers as things geared up. Looked in a few places, Billboard was clearly the best for thin ladies. Saw #84 dancing on the merry-go-round. I smiled at her, she smiled back. When I saw she had braces, I thought I would keep looking, but before I knew it, the mamasan was bringing her over. She was really good looking, so I did not complain. Probably 22, great body, pretty face, only downside was braces and totally flat chested. I ended up buying her 3 LDs, one for the horrible fat ugly mamasan, and one for a nice waitress who was friendly and cool. Pulled #84 LT, BF was 1000 baht, LT was 5000. I could have haggled it down I think, because the bar looked pretty slow, but I could not be bothered and as I said, she was looking pretty fine.[/QUOTE]I was there recently and the BF was 700 baht. It could be that I only asked for ST? I usually do not visit go-go bar because of the mamasan and drinks. I think I know which fat ugly mamasan you are talking about, I have a hate for 1 too. I went to billboards for two nights. Any ways, if you go back look for #14, #19, #39, or #804.
Number #19 is a con though, watch out for her.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2196300]If you believe that, open a gogo for strictly Indian customers. See how long you stay in business.[/QUOTE]The fact that there might not be a market for Indians-only gogo bars in Thailand doesn't change that your typical gogo bar here even makes money with customers who only drink a single water. And that's what we were discussing; not the feasibility of completely different business models.
[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;2196605]Someone told me to try it. That it greatly enhances the sex. I read about it on the internet and wouldn't mind. I was told to ask a bar girl and she would bring it to your hotel. Is this a safe method?[/QUOTE]Go straight to jail, do not pass go, spend your remaining years in Thailand's prison system.
Smoothy, it is an infinite loop of back or forth conversation that will never lead to the partitioning of person and cash.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2196300]If you believe that, open a gogo for strictly Indian customers. See how long you stay in business.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Amnesia;2196071]Nonsense. Even for a bottle of water their profit margin is big and you're just filling excess capacity.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Smoothy;2195674]I consider ordering one drink and milking that over 4 hours to be tantamount to ordering nothing. The staff notices which type of customers do that and it's those type of customers who get the bad rep. People can try to call it racism or discrimination for reasons other than monetary, but it is not. It's simply that those type of people are not making them money. If you owned a gogo where every guy in there was milking one drink all night, you would quickly go bankrupt. Who can blame them for not wanting that type of guy as a customer?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Amnesia;2196780]The fact that there might not be a market for Indians-only gogo bars in Thailand doesn't change that your typical gogo bar here even makes money with customers who only drink a single water. And that's what we were discussing; not the feasibility of completely different business models.[/QUOTE]That is complete bullshit. I have to be on the Smoothy side. Rent for a bar is high in prime real estate. Many staff to be paid salaries. They have to keep selling drinks. There is a very high turnover of bars in Nana simply because they go out of business. The fail to attract the right customers in sufficient numbers. Not enough customer buying drinks frequently enough. It is that simple.
Sure the bar can tolerate the odd customer sitting on one drink, but they don't like it. They need bar to be nearly full and with enough customers making a big spend over 1000 baht.
The entertainment is only able to be free on the basis that you keep buying drinks. Otherwise the costs of the dancers and other staff outweighs the spend of single drink customers.
Really all of the bars are trying to attract big spend customers, and as many as possible.
Mercury bar was getting a lot of Indian customers as had few skinny girls. Wasn't going good at all despite a few Coyotes. They had to change approach and are now a LB bar.
In a busy bar a one drink customer is hurting profits, perhaps better than nothing in an empty bar but it is only 100 Baht. Doesn't pay anything much. Even a customer seen sitting on one drink could be viewed as potentially having a bad effect on any other customers, seeing that it can be tolerated.
It is simple though, for those who don't want to buy a lot of drinks and are no longer interested in the entertainment. Meet the girl secretly outside the bar, or leave the bar quickly having seen there is no girl of interest to Barfine. I have my bargirl contacts. We can meet elsewhere when she is not attending the bar. Watching bargirls dance gets boring pretty quickly, so I am only there briefly to find and meet any new talent, if any, for some bars. If I don't have a girl to maybe fuck found, then no point to stay there.
[QUOTE=GCNovice;2196770]I was there recently and the BF was 700 baht. It could be that I only asked for ST? I usually do not visit go-go bar because of the mamasan and drinks. I think I know which fat ugly mamasan you are talking about, I have a hate for 1 too. I went to billboards for two nights. Any ways, if you go back look for #14, #19, #39, or #804.
Number #19 is a con though, watch out for her.[/QUOTE]I believe 84 is one I also found to be hot, but not yet BFed. She was a little bit of a show off I think, knowing how hot she was. There is no need to buy drinks for mamasan, especially that fat one, it only encourages her to hang around. I personally make it clear to girls that she should use a different mamasan. There should be more than one. One was a gay boy one time I was there, rather loud but still preferred. I forget how many in total. I don't want to have anything to do with the fat mamasan but doesn't mean I have to stay away.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2197070]That is complete bullshit. I have to be on the Smoothy side. Rent for a bar is high in prime real estate. Many staff to be paid salaries. They have to keep selling drinks. There is a very high turnover of bars in Nana simply because they go out of business. The fail to attract the right customers in sufficient numbers. Not enough customer buying drinks frequently enough. It is that simple.
It is simple though, for those who don't want to buy a lot of drinks and are no longer interested in the entertainment. Meet the girl secretly outside the bar, or leave the bar quickly having seen there is no girl of interest to Barfine. I have my bargirl contacts. We can meet elsewhere when she is not attending the bar. Watching bargirls dance gets boring pretty quickly, so I am only there briefly to find and meet any new talent, if any, for some bars. If I don't have a girl to maybe fuck found, then no point to stay there.[/QUOTE]Completely agree. No bar in any big city anywhere in the world will survive for long if majority of their customers are One drink charlies. Specially if they are seated. That's why there are minimum table charges or compulsory bottle purchase if you ask for a table. Moreso in places like BKK where the entertainment staff, waiting and housekeeping staff costs are so high other than rents and establishment costs, if it becomes known that if you can hang around cpl of hours with a soda or a beer in hand and enjoy the visuals, you can count the days for the bar. All other arguments are illogical.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2196764]
(By the way, when I write that I had paid a girl like #239 at Baccara a high amount like 8,000 for 3-4 hours or 10,000 LT or 15,000 for 24 hours, those are far few and only for a handful of girls, plus not all the time. [/QUOTE]If the first pic girl works there, I see what you mean, she could obviously demand escort level prices, if her service is good. I never saw anyone quite that good there (some time ago). She may prefer not to work escort so that she can choose her customers, and not have to do exotic services. I would even forgive her sillies, as her nose looks okay And not fake probably.
I am in agreement that very special girls are worth more money than the average girls. No different to paying a huge amount for a pretty girl at The Lord (yes I know closed now). I don't get a cheap street girl because the quality is not there.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2197078]If the first pic girl works there, I see what you mean, she could obviously demand escort level prices, if her service is good. I never saw anyone quite that good there (some time ago). She may prefer not to work escort so that she can choose her customers, and not have to do exotic services. I would even forgive her sillies, as her nose looks okay And not fake probably.
I am in agreement that very special girls are worth more money than the average girls. No different to paying a huge amount for a pretty girl at The Lord (yes I know closed now). I don't get a cheap street girl because the quality is not there.[/QUOTE]I'd say they are only worth it if they are performers as well. You are probably right; she works at a GoGo because she can provide less service than if she works as an escort. MP's report included a lot of things that he did to her, but not a lot of what she did to him. My guess is this gal sees herself above performing many services, which is why I would not be interested at any price. Now, if she were to perform like a Tulip or SW gal, I'd certainly be willing to pay the big bucks.
[QUOTE=GCNovice;2196770]I was there recently and the BF was 700 baht. It could be that I only asked for ST? I usually do not visit go-go bar because of the mamasan and drinks. I think I know which fat ugly mamasan you are talking about, I have a hate for 1 too. I went to billboards for two nights. Any ways, if you go back look for #14, #19, #39, or #804.
Number #19 is a con though, watch out for her.[/QUOTE]I was in there last night. I was actually talking to #39 and I wanted to grab her, but #84 from the other day was hovering around. In the end, I decided to do a repeat with #84 as she was a know commodity, but frankly, I wish I hadn't. She was on the rag, didn't tell me, and bled out all over my bed when I was banging her. Even aside from that, the novelty had sort of worn off, and I was not into the braces. Should have gone with #39. Doh!
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2197070]That is complete bullshit. I have to be on the Smoothy side. Rent for a bar is high in prime real estate. Many staff to be paid salaries. [/QUOTE]Why do you think companies like Agoda, eatigo, or Groupon exist? Why do all those hotels and restaurants accept customers paying a fraction of the actual price? Why accept those Cheap Charlies rather than the big spenders?
So no, it's not bullshit. In fact you yourself are providing arguments that are supporting my statement: fixed costs.
1) User Smoothy says the bar is not making any money with a customer who's only drinking a water. That's wrong, and everyone who has basic math skills knows that. A water costs the bar maybe 5 Baht. They sell it for 120 Baht. Other than the cost of purchase, there are no variable cost I cause the bar. Maybe I use the restroom, so deduct 20 Baht for water and soap. That still leaves you a gross profit of 95 Baht, and a nice gross margin of almost 80%. The bar IS making money from me.
2) It's better to have an additional 95 Baht than an additional 0 Baht. It's not like there is a long line of high-spending customers waiting and I am taking their seat. All those bars always have excess capacity, even during peak hours and peak season. Leaving a seat empty rather than earning 95 THB with it would be nonsense. In fact, it's not only the 95 Baht additional profit you make. The more customers are inside, the more fun does the bar look like, so the more likely it will attract additional customers.
3) If the bar is not profitable, then it has to find ways to reduce its (fixed) costs and / or increase its revenues. Getting rid of small-ticket customers would be nonsense; you would not get more profitable but less. One way could be to turn low-spenders into more-spenders. You won't achieve that by trying to push them out of the bar. But if the girls are hot and nice, I am not constantly being pestered to buy every Tom, Dick and Harry a ladydrink, and the barfines and girl rates are reasonable, I am glad to stay and have many beers. Otherwise I will leave after having one water.
4) If all that does not work, maybe the whole market needs to consolidate (E. G. , taking out excess capacity from the market by merging bars), or the whole business model is not feasible.
[QUOTE=GCNovice;2196770]I was there recently and the BF was 700 baht. It could be that I only asked for ST? I usually do not visit go-go bar because of the mamasan and drinks. I think I know which fat ugly mamasan you are talking about, I have a hate for 1 too. I went to billboards for two nights. Any ways, if you go back look for #14, #19, #39, or #804.
Number #19 is a con though, watch out for her.[/QUOTE]It's nice that members are sharing some dancers' numbers on this thread. It makes things so much easier. If I am familiar with another member's taste, I can plan to go into a go go bar in search of a specific number. No wasted drinks at bars not worthy of entry. My last night in BKK, Thursday, I started out at Nana in Rainbow 5 (next to Twisters). It was around 9:00, and there were a lot of girls, but nothing new that stood out. I went there looking for #11, a slim short haired girl with implants that I had seen before, but she wasn't there. However I did see some previous talent still working there that I've been with and had a decent to good experience with. If anybody has similar tastes to mine, those numbers are 053,37, 125,116, 61,184, 158, and 83. Treat them nicely with 2 drinks and they should be okay to go. Rainbow 5 is not pushy with drinks like most bars. Girls are there to fuck and make their money, so it's more like a brothel. All the girls I listed provided BBBJ with their sessions with me, no rushing, DFK, DATY and a couple of them was able to do CIM. And this was all on the first barfine date, not a repeat session. Usually for this I pay 3000 for ST plus 200 tip and taxi back, but for in my own hotel room and never upstairs. I only ever have used those short time rooms, maybe twice ever when there was a downpour in rain. Not having seen #11, and with an early flight out to Hong Kong, I decided to make my exit out of Nana.
Next I took a taxi to Soi Cowboy and stepped into Baccara around 9:45. Downstairs seating was full of customers, so I went to find a seat upstairs. Not more than 30 seconds after I took a seat on a sofa in front of the dance floor, #83 came to say "Hi. " Her name is Mai and we had sat together before a couple of days ago. She's a cute girl with short hair and braces, about 5'3 105 lbs and a pair of big man made boobs. By the way there is another girl #11, who works there. If anyone has seen her dance, can we agree that her boobs are way just too big for her small frame? She's a bit cute and slim, but with a size 600 breast implants on a 95 lbs body, they look rather silly to me. I just don't want to be the only guy with that opinion. I told #83 about it, but she thought they looked perfectly fine. I beg to differ.
Anyways, #83 and I had previous introductions with the mamasan upstairs when we all sat a drank together 2 days ago. Back then, she told me that she had seen me for the past 6 months, but was scared to approach me. That's a pretty funny feeling I get because it's true. When I walk into most bars including Baccara, not one girl even smiles at me. But when I call them over for a drink, they are always so happy and giggly. Another dancer upstairs who used to work Baccara Pattaya also came over to join us. We already knew each other before in Pattaya. If you are a frequent customer to both venues, you will know who she is. The girl who used to work Pattaya is probably one of the better looking dancer now upstairs at Baccara Soi Cowboy. Anyways I've already been with her in Pattaya, so I wanted something different. Unfortunately that night when sitting with #83, she accidentally mentioned that she just got her braces tightened that day. And when she asked me if I wanted to take her, I remembered and told her "then your mouth cannot blow job. " She giggled and said she didn't do that (BJ). I responded, "then I can't barfine you. " I told her I would wait until a few days until her mouth healed and then I would ONLY if she agreed to blow me. She giggled again and nod her head and said "okay. ".
So tonight was that night. After about 5 drinks for her and 1 for the waitress, I barfined her ST. I wanted to stay and enjoy the show a bit, so hence the drinks. She wanted to do LT and told me can stay until after lunch for 5000, but I wasn't interested, I had a flight to catch was my excuse. Even if I didn't have a flight to catch, I enjoy and like sleeping alone so it's still a no go for LT for me. I just wanted to clarify something I read in an earlier post by another member who took #23. Baccara barfine rate for ALL dancers and hostesses (wearing black dresses) is the same for upstairs and downstairs no matter if it is 7:30 pm or 2 am. Girls who work part time can come and go as they please, and owe the club a fee of 2 drinks per night before they can leave out with a customer. But those are usually the hotter girls that have all this freedom, not anyone left after 12:30 am. If it's that late, usually the quality is not there, but you can possibly negotiate a cheaper price for the girls left remaining.
So what I liked about #83 was she was a multiple cummer. And with each time, she became more wet and wet. She stayed 2 hours but we spent about 30 minutes just chatting before taking a bath where she performed a sloppy BBBJ. She is a screamer (Japanese style), though I told her I'm not Japanese, so she can stop pretending. Apparently her moans are real because she didn't. She can go at it for a long time and I think she truly enjoys sex with the right customer. After about 4 orgasms (her), I began to get tired and she was able to finish me with her mouth. She was able to sense I was about to cum and she jerked it off in the final few seconds. Dang! I should have played possum. Anyways, I paid 3000 plus 500 tip for her. When she left she saw the bed restraints. She only grinned, so perhaps she is willing next time. Throughout our conversation at the club and through some of her actions, I can tell this girl is a big game player. Meaning she will hustle the crap out of a customer that can't pick up on her cues (like kept asking me about my metal credit card) and you will get shitty service if any at all. So newbies be careful. For me she was fine with everything, but remember that whole "BJ" and braces thing in the beginning. That was a cue from her and you saw how I played back to get this better experience. I had to bring in the mamasan and the girl from Pattaya to help. So keep that in mind, though in the Land of a Million Smiles, maybe only 20% of them are genuine.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2197073]I believe 84 is one I also found to be hot, but not yet BFed. She was a little bit of a show off I think, knowing how hot she was. There is no need to buy drinks for mamasan, especially that fat one, it only encourages her to hang around. I personally make it clear to girls that she should use a different mamasan. There should be more than one. One was a gay boy one time I was there, rather loud but still preferred. I forget how many in total. I don't want to have anything to do with the fat mamasan but doesn't mean I have to stay away.[/QUOTE]I don't believe I ever saw #84, #39 is the only that, actually, dance beyond the stomach movement and occasional hip swing. It's kind of hard to ignore mamasan when they roam the area I get seated at, even when I move. I don't buy them drinks, only the girl that I'm interested in when I have to talk to them for more than a minute and gauge if they would accept my counter offer.
[QUOTE=Amnesia;2197098]Why do you think companies like Agoda, eatigo, or Groupon exist? Why do all those hotels and restaurants accept customers paying a fraction of the actual price? Why accept those Cheap Charlies rather than the big spenders?
So no, it's not bullshit. In fact you yourself are providing arguments that are supporting my statement: fixed costs.
1) User Smoothy says the bar is not making any money with a customer who's only drinking a water. That's wrong, and everyone who has basic math skills knows that. A water costs the bar maybe 5 Baht. They sell it for 120 Baht. Other than the cost of purchase, there are no variable cost I cause the bar. Maybe I use the restroom, so deduct 20 Baht for water and soap. That still leaves you a gross profit of 95 Baht, and a nice gross margin of almost 80%. The bar IS making money from me.
2) It's better to have an additional 95 Baht than an additional 0 Baht. It's not like there is a long line of high-spending customers waiting and I am taking their seat. All those bars always have excess capacity, even during peak hours and peak season. Leaving a seat empty rather than earning 95 THB with it would be nonsense. In fact, it's not only the 95 Baht additional profit you make. The more customers are inside, the more fun does the bar look like, so the more likely it will attract additional customers.
3) If the bar is not profitable, then it has to find ways to reduce its (fixed) costs and / or increase its revenues. Getting rid of small-ticket customers would be nonsense; you would not get more profitable but less. One way could be to turn low-spenders into more-spenders. You won't achieve that by trying to push them out of the bar. But if the girls are hot and nice, I am not constantly being pestered to buy every Tom, Dick and Harry a ladydrink, and the barfines and girl rates are reasonable, I am glad to stay and have many beers. Otherwise I will leave after having one water.
4) If all that does not work, maybe the whole market needs to consolidate (E. G. , taking out excess capacity from the market by merging bars), or the whole business model is not feasible.[/QUOTE]If a go-go bar's primary business is to sell drinks then I get that they are annoyed that I am not buying another drink every 20 minutes. But not nearly as annoyed as I am that they enticed me into that bar on the (false) premise that those girls were there to be shopped as potential barfines for sex and not just to hustle me for lady drinks. So it could not concern me less that the staff, the girls, the owner or the Mayor of Bangkok himself is miffed by my milking one drink until I determine if that is the gimmick here or not.
By the same token, if the primary business of a go-go bar is to entice me to meet and pay barfines for sex with their girls then they are just going to have to wait until I see something interesting enough to me for that purpose in their line up before I start buying lady drinks and racking up significant numbers of drinks for myself. But that means I might need to sit through two 20 minute dance sets and even give it another 20-30 minutes after that on the chance that the only 2-3 girls in their employ who might cause me to open my wallet more often could return from an earlier barfine by then.
In such a case, I am doing my part by being fully prepared to go along with their business model. But if during that wait and see time I don't see a reason in their line up to add to the bar's drink income every 20 minutes then they are the ones not doing their part in the deal, not me.
Meanwhile, I have sat in packed go-go bars for more than an hour with only one club soda purchase to show for it many times and I have never been told to buy another drink or leave. And I have never felt shunned by girls in those bars either.
I wonder what housekeeping says. They do gossip and keep logs (not the wooden types)
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2197123]When she left she saw the bed restraints.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2196764]Let's see. Maybe because it's illegal as hell in the USA? And every time that hooked up with a hooker in the States, I would have to worry about a pimp and LE knocking on the door? I've mongered in the USA plenty, and it's scary. There are stings and prostitution busts everywhere. A high end escort with the body and looks that I prefer, in the USA is about $250-500 for maybe 1-2 hours and there is absolutely no game playing or chase to it. It's too easy to fuck them. And I have way too much time on my hand because I have nothing else to do. I like the games the top end Thai go go bar girls play with customers. I like the chase they provide me. Honestly, it's fun for me to play back with them.
This is a full list to where I've payed and played with countless of hundreds and hundreds of girls from escorts, brothels, karaoke bars, massage shops, red light districts, strippers, and sex clubs in my entire life: USA, Mexico, Philippines, Hong Kong, China, Russia, Indonesia, Germany, Belgium, UK, Holland, Japan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Switzerland, Spain, Italy, Czech Rep, Austria, Hungary, South Korea, UAE, Qatar, and Ukraine..[/QUOTE]Very well said. I am going to Vietnam but considering making a stopover in Bk after reading your post. The adventure around the mongering can be more exciting than the sex acts themselves! Would you be up for a drink around next Friday or Saturday?
Amnesia, IMHO, forget about it. There is an old saying, Money talks and BS walks. A group with a reputation of having and spending money will mostly get better service than another group that has an opposite reputation. In my younger days, getting into the IN club or restaurant was a status symbol. A maître the' or door man can make or break a place. There are certain restaurants, clubs, and hotels that I know I can always get in. Part of it is I have built up connections and the people that know me, want my business.
I might get comped drinks, room, treats and such but I know that I have already, in someways, paid several times over for the little tokens.
You are not alone. Many local guys tell me that they cannot get into certain places in their own country because the establishments are geared towards maximizing profit. Usually from foreigners and for the select few locals. Sometimes royalty. It is getting better in Asia. But, it is still around. Try going to one of the clubs / hotel / restaurant with live entertainment in your country without paying a cover or just getting a bottled water. Try one of the Aman. Just sit in the restaurant and get a bottled water.
Best of luck on your crusade for a new business model. Follow your ideas. Sent me an invite to show off your successful establishment.
There is no discernible business argument for not allowing a customer to spend as little as he wants or to stay as long he wants unless (a) he is abusing the situation to feel up the girls (b) the bar is full and he is keeping out punters more interested in doing what the bar is primarily there for, customers buying lady drinks and bar fining. That said if I was a gogo owner and Cheap Charlie was there every night enjoying the show sucking ad infinitum on his glass of soda water I would probably say thanks Charlie but don't come back.
[QUOTE=Wimble;2197295]Amnesia, IMHO, forget about it. (...) You are not alone. (...) Best of luck on your crusade for a new business model. Follow your ideas. Sent me an invite to show off your successful establishment.[/QUOTE]Err, what exactly are you talking about? I was merely pointing out that:
1) The claim that a bar isn't making any money from a customer drinking only one water is not correct. You can calculate that yourself.
2) For the typical agogo it would be a bad business decision to not serve this customer segment. Both customer segments complement on another; there is no cannibalization by serving it. Not serving it would just mean leaving money lining on the street.
You can still pay whatever you want to in hopes for some goodies, and the bars can do whatever they want to, too. I really couldn't care less. We are discussing here for the sake of entertainment, not because we are having any stakes in that issue.
I had to swap myself between Don Mueang & Suvarnabhumi Airports with 3 hrs time between flights.
Booked a Grab cab, the driver couldn't speak English properly and couldn't find the gate I was at. Wasted almost 30 minutes and went to the public taxi service counter, had to wait 15 minutes before I could get a taxi. Upon boarding requested the taxi driver to drive at the highest speed he could and take me to the airport on time, I was ok paying a bit more if he wanted. A nice fella who did his best and I reached Suvarnabhumi on time. It was scary for me, I'd like to advise if it helps someone:
1 - Try to bring all your baggage into cabin if you can.
2 - Don't use grab to book a taxi, you never know the driver is actually coming to where you are after waiting for 10 minutes. Sometimes cancelling a grab booking will ask you to pay a penalty.
3 - The free shuttle between airports take between 1 and half - 2 Hrs so it's a risk unless you have 4+ hours between flights.
4 - Quickly go take a coupon for public taxi, while waiting your number to be called you can buy food / drinks. Ask the taxi driver to take the express way.
5 - Most taxi drivers give you 2 options, I. Go with meter and pay the toll charges for the express way or II. Settle a fixed amount (around 700 baht) and everything is taken care by the driver. Choose the later option since with earlier option taxi drivers tend to go slow / wait so that meter adds wait time money.
Missing a flight is the last thing you would expect while travelling, be careful!
Correct. I am wasting my breath.
[QUOTE=Amnesia;2197372]Err, what exactly are you talking about?.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2197420]4 - Quickly go take a coupon for public taxi, while waiting your number to be called you can buy food / drinks. Ask the taxi driver to take the express way.
5 - Most taxi drivers give you 2 options, I. Go with meter and pay the toll charges for the express way or II. Settle a fixed amount (around 700 baht) and everything is taken care by the driver. Choose the later option since with earlier option taxi drivers tend to go slow / wait so that meter adds wait time ![/QUOTE]700 THB including tollway sounds way too expensive. The actual meter should be around 300-350 maybe, tollway must be 70 or so. Maximum 500 all-in, but I don't see how a fixed fee is saving you much time. The driver still has to stop at the toll booth to pay the toll.
In general, 3 hours for DMK-BKK is quite risky. Traffic in Bangkok is unpredictable. I advise people to take the Airport Link and BTS when they have that little time. Understand it might be inconvenient when you have a lot of luggage and / or just arrived after a long flight. But it's usually the safest option. (For the way from DMK to the next BTS Station take a cab or the airport shuttle that stops at the BTS stations).
For the taxi stand in DMK, keep in mind that the line can get quite long when many flights arrived.
As for Grab, I never really understood why anyone would need it in Bangkok. Most of the time it's easier and faster to flag a taxi on the street. During the times when you actually could need such service (I. E. Rush hour), they don't have a cab available. Quite often the driver can't find your place, takes hours to arrive, or decided he should grab some food first. The only two use cases are (1) girls taking a cab during the night, and (2) foreigners who cannot speak Thai.
[QUOTE=Wimble;2197224]I wonder what housekeeping says. They do gossip and keep logs (not the wooden types)[/QUOTE]I tend to stay in condos off AirBnb, so there is no issue or extra charge for bringing back multiple girls back to the room. I've had many many threesomes, foursomes, and fivesomes this way. The only other way is to also stay in a 5 star like Radisson Blue, Westin, or Sheraton Grande where the don't really ask for ID who care about how many girls go up to the room. In the condos, I clean my own room everyday. When I do stay in hotels, I of course, hide all my play toys including restraints, before housekeeping comes in to clean my room.
[QUOTE=TakingChances;2197235]Very well said. I am going to Vietnam but considering making a stopover in Bk after reading your post. The adventure around the mongering can be more exciting than the sex acts themselves! Would you be up for a drink around next Friday or Saturday?[/QUOTE]I'll be back in BKK on the 2nd. Vietnam is very fun if you are able to hunt in the underground scene where the locals play. Not sure how brave you are, but it used to be my old stomping ground as well.
Speaking of bed restraints as well as spreader bars, ball gags and vibs. Where to buy?
Lingerie also. Helps to keep tired old John Thomas upright.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2197517]Speaking of bed restraints as well as spreader bars, ball gags and vibs. Where to buy?
Lingerie also. Helps to keep tired old John Thomas upright.[/QUOTE]This stuff is probably illegal in Thailand. Buy in Germany or Scandinavia most likely. Even basic vibrators are not totally legal in Thailand I believe and you can't buy any quality ones here. They might sell cheap chinese crap stuff on the street.
[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2197420]
4 - Quickly go take a coupon for public taxi, while waiting your number to be called you can buy food / drinks. Ask the taxi driver to take the express way.
[/QUOTE]I still catch taxis from Arrival level at Suwanaphum. No wait. No coupon fee. I select a taxi where the guy is sitting politely waiting in his taxi and only gets out at last minute to help with your luggage. Mostly these polite types will use the meter as a matter of course. No hassle type of guys.
Any guy that runs up to you too eagerly is to be avoided, IMHO. They will wait till have started to exit the airport and then ask for exhorbitant fee. I have had to exit taxis outside Don Meuang on occasion when selected the wrong one.
It is also important to tell the driver that we are not Thai. Getting to the destination at the cheapest possible price avoiding tolls, is not the objective at all. The objective is to get there as fast as possible. Paying tolls is no problem. Wise to check the best route with google Maps as well. It can detect unusual traffic jams, although it does sometimes underestimate the time needed to get there. Taxi drivers can sometimes choose an unfortunate route. Of course I am lucky to be able to speak Thai, and communicate details of desired route, or remind driver where the correct freeway exit is. Some drivers make bad mistakes, whether accidental or intentional. If driver goes wrong way, must have him stop the car until can calc new best route with Google Maps, to avoid getting into progressively worse traffic jams. I had one such incident on way to Suwanaphum, when driver exited freeway at Rama IX by wrong exit, into traffic jam at Ekkamai. I had to quickly calculate a back streets route to get back on motorway. Fortunately still made it to airport on time. Hard to understand driver making bad mistakes when signs show route to airport so clearly on expressways, even if he is not familiar.
I have now had quite a number of incidents where taxis failed to take my desired exit from freeways, so I watch for this very carefully these days. Once got stuck on freeway to Pattaya, which had no exit for a long distance, because taxi failed to take On Nut exit.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2197589]I still catch taxis from Arrival level at Suwanaphum.... so I watch for this very carefully these days. Once got stuck on freeway to Pattaya, which had no exit for a long distance, because taxi failed to take On Nut exit.[/QUOTE]He's posting about catching a taxi from DMK to connect on a flight at BKK. You pulled the trigger (pounded the keys?) without reading the post.
(I normally wouldn't post a comment like this, but the ISG connection is giving me trouble and I'm sorting out what I can / cannot do with this internet). TTG.
[QUOTE=Wimble;2197295]Amnesia,
Best of luck on your crusade for a new business model. Follow your ideas. Sent me an invite to show off your successful establishment.[/QUOTE]Yes, for sure his model would be very successful. I am also looking forward to it.
Amny, please let us know the day it opens, because it's not likely to make it to the 2nd day, we wouldn't want to miss it.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2198060]Amny, please let us know the day it opens, because it's not likely to make it to the 2nd day, we wouldn't want to miss it.[/QUOTE]It always amazes me how grown men start acting childish on discussion boards when they can't win an argument. Look, you don't have to feel bad for not having business acumen and basic math skills. I am sure there are some farm girls who will willingly nod to your barstool economics while you can work on your reputation to become the biggest spender in a Thai hooker bar. I would actually have a second water to watch you Einsteins talk shop.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2198060]Yes, for sure his model would be very successful. I am also looking forward to it.
Amny, please let us know the day it opens, because it's not likely to make it to the 2nd day, we wouldn't want to miss it.[/QUOTE]As I read Amnesia's post (and the reason I agreed with it), he was merely describing what I have seen and experienced in the Bangkok/Pattaya go-go bar scene for years. And those bars stay open, occasionally upgrade and expand so it must be a viable business model. I honestly have never seen a go-go bar or a beer bar kick someone out because they ordered a water, soda water or coke instead of a beer or a cocktail or because they sat nursing one drink for at least an hour or so. I see plenty of customers sitting in those bars for a long time on one drink purchase and waving off pesky servers. I have never been asked to leave because I don't order a new drink every 20 minutes. I am not saying it has never happened to anyone. Just that it does not appear to be any bar's enforced policy.
I realize there are anecdotes about pesky servers who appear ready to lodge a complaint with the Board of Appropriate Customer Purchasing Habits any second if you don't finish that drink post haste and order another one in less than 20-30 minutes. Ignore them. I do. They are Thai people working in a bar. They aren't exactly brilliant to begin with and possibly they are half drunk to boot.
Mind you, I am not talking about a customer who sits for hours with one drink in front of him and never purchases anything else like food. And neither did Amnesia say such a thing in that post. As I have stated elsewhere, I think there is a built-in timeframe involving assessing two 20 minute dance sets and another 20-30 minutes for possible return arrivals from earlier barfines that can justify holding off with one drink purchase for as long as just over an hour until you know there is actually a good reason provided by that bar and its very own business environment to start buying multiple drinks and Lady Drinks for potential take-out girls.
Once I had a server laugh and say something like, "This is a bar where men drink alcohol, are you a lady?" when I ordered a water instead of booze as I sat down in their nearly empty go-go bar (I think it was Shark Go-Go Bar on Soi Cowboy). I immediately stood up and said, "Oh, no problem. I'll go to another bar where they will serve me what I want," and began to walk out. That server clutched at my arm and practically begged me to please stop and come back. I didn't.
I have indeed seen a couple of customers goaded by servers after noticing those guys have been sitting there for well over 2 hours on one drink. I was sitting and chatting with one such guy at Big Dog's Bar, an outdoor beer bar at the entrance to Nana Plaza. He had one beer bottle sitting in front of him when I arrived and that same beer bottle was there about 90 minutes later. Maybe he had been nursing that one drink for well over 2 hours. Yep, the server did say something to him about it and he reacted like he was insulted. Then he paid his bill, got up and left. I don't know what would have happened if he hadn't left and hadn't ordered another drink. Maybe some bouncers would have come over and tossed him out. But I have never personally seen such a thing happen.
[QUOTE=Amnesia;2197098]Why do you think companies like Agoda, eatigo, or Groupon exist? Why do all those hotels and restaurants accept customers paying a fraction of the actual price? Why accept those Cheap Charlies rather than the big spenders?
So no, it's not bullshit. In fact you yourself are providing arguments that are supporting my statement: fixed costs.
1) User Smoothy says the bar is not making any money with a customer who's only drinking a water. That's wrong, and everyone who has basic math skills knows that. A water costs the bar maybe 5 Baht. They sell it for 120 Baht. Other than the cost of purchase, there are no variable cost I cause the bar. Maybe I use the restroom, so deduct 20 Baht for water and soap. That still leaves you a gross profit of 95 Baht, and a nice gross margin of almost 80%. The bar IS making money from me.
2) It's better to have an additional 95 Baht than an additional 0 Baht. It's not like there is a long line of high-spending customers waiting and I am taking their seat. All those bars always have excess capacity, even during peak hours and peak season. Leaving a seat empty rather than earning 95 THB with it would be nonsense. In fact, it's not only the 95 Baht additional profit you make. The more customers are inside, the more fun does the bar look like, so the more likely it will attract additional customers.
3) If the bar is not profitable, then it has to find ways to reduce its (fixed) costs and / or increase its revenues. Getting rid of small-ticket customers would be nonsense; you would not get more profitable but less. One way could be to turn low-spenders into more-spenders. You won't achieve that by trying to push them out of the bar. But if the girls are hot and nice, I am not constantly being pestered to buy every Tom, Dick and Harry a ladydrink, and the barfines and girl rates are reasonable, I am glad to stay and have many beers. Otherwise I will leave after having one water.
4) If all that does not work, maybe the whole market needs to consolidate (E. G. , taking out excess capacity from the market by merging bars), or the whole business model is not feasible.[/QUOTE]
Water is not a good analogy. I suspect that bar makes more money selling water. It is not just about fixed cost as the other poster has mentioned it is high fixed cost. It is not that bar don't want one drink customer. The bar already make money on the drink you bought, they would prefer you to buy the next drink so they could make more money. There is a bar in Nana with post-ops that is known to kick out customer for not ordering more drinks.
Hey Einsteins,
Oh I mean Smoothy. Forget about it.
I am just going to complain to management whenever I see someone man-handling a water bottle. Puts me off my game and barfining a girl. Especially if the culprits are south Asians.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2198060]Yes, for sure his model would be very successful. I am also looking forward to it.
Amny, please let us know the day it opens, because it's not likely to make it to the 2nd day, we wouldn't want to miss it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2198118]As I read Amnesia's post (and the reason I agreed with it), he was merely describing what I have seen and experienced in the Bangkok/Pattaya go-go bar scene for years. And those bars stay open, occasionally upgrade and expand so it must be a viable business model. [/QUOTE]It's a successful business model due to the OTHER customers in the place who actually spend some money, not because of the guy milking one drink all night. I will use Long Gun as the example. That place has about 70 seats. If it was completely full of 70 guys who each ordered one drink then sat there all night milking that drink, the cash intake for the night would be 150 per drink times 70 = 10,500 baht. If the place was completely full of those 70 guys all month long, that would be 30 times 10500 = 315,000 baht money intake for the month.
The place has about 30 dancers working there. They get a salary of about 8000 baht each per month. 8000 x 30 = 240,000 baht.
The place has about 10 waitresses, bartenders and other staff. To be very very modest, let's say another 60,000 baht for the month.
Then they have to pay rent. Let's say about 200,000 baht per month.
I am sure that security and police bribes come into play as well.
I'm not even going to include the price of the drinks, electricity, etc because it's already obviously absurd to think that guys coming in and buying one drink is a good business model.
Not to mention that every dancer in the place would quit very soon since they were getting no drinks and no bar fines.
There's nothing wrong with sitting there and drinking one night all night on occasion, but to do it every time is not beneficial to the maintenance of the establishments in question.
Good for you. Vote with your feet I say. Don't support a place that doesn't want your business or money.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2198118] I immediately stood up and said, "Oh, no problem. I'll go to another bar where they will serve me what I want," and began to walk out. That server clutched at my arm and practically begged me to please stop and come back. I didn't.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2198206]It's a successful business model due to the OTHER customers in the place who actually spend some money, not because of the guy milking one drink all night. I will use Long Gun as the example. That place has about 70 seats. If it was completely full of 70 guys who each ordered one drink then sat there all night milking that drink, the cash intake for the night would be 150 per drink times 70 = 10,500 baht. If the place was completely full of those 70 guys all month long, that would be 30 times 10500 = 315,000 baht money intake for the month.
The place has about 30 dancers working there. They get a salary of about 8000 baht each per month. 8000 x 30 = 240,000 baht.
The place has about 10 waitresses, bartenders and other staff. To be very very modest, let's say another 60,000 baht for the month.
Then they have to pay rent. Let's say about 200,000 baht per month.
I am sure that security and police bribes come into play as well.
I'm not even going to include the price of the drinks, electricity, etc because it's already obviously absurd to think that guys coming in and buying one drink is a good business model.
Not to mention that every dancer in the place would quit very soon since they were getting no drinks and no bar fines.
There's nothing wrong with sitting there and drinking one night all night on occasion, but to do it every time is not beneficial to the maintenance of the establishments in question.[/QUOTE]Yep. That's it! Good analysis (without fine checking the detail).
Of course Long Gun is probably struggling these days since has lots of empty seats, and virtually no slim models suited to me, so I don't check it out very often. My ex slim girl had a baby and changed to be a fatty with railway tracks across the stomach and still expected me to want her, LOL. I could not recognise her at first. I bought her a sympathy drink, and made a run for it. Other talent was lacking. They probably can't afford to pay a lot for some pretty girls. They have trimmed the number of Mamasans I believe. That is a relief. I don't need them hassling me as well, since they remember me from many years ago when the bar was good.
Suzie Wong was not quite this bad when it got taken over by Baccara, at least for my type of girl spec.
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;2197663]He's posting about catching a taxi from DMK to connect on a flight at BKK. You pulled the trigger (pounded the keys?) without reading the post.
(I normally wouldn't post a comment like this, but the ISG connection is giving me trouble and I'm sorting out what I can / cannot do with this internet). TTG.[/QUOTE]I did not indeed realise whether he was going from DMK to BKK or visa versa. It does not matter that much. It is probably not impossible to avoid queueing and paying the airport fee at DMK. I have not used DMK a lot recently, but last time, in a hurry, I caught a taxi from there without getting in the Queue. Just crossed to an outside lane and got a taxi passing.
I give general tips in case they may be of use, sometimes a bit tangential.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2198206]It's a successful business model due to the OTHER customers in the place who actually spend some money, not because of the guy milking one drink all night. I will use Long Gun as the example. That place has about 70 seats. If it was completely full of 70 guys who each ordered one drink then sat there all night milking that drink, the cash intake for the night would be 150 per drink times 70 = 10,500 baht. If the place was completely full of those 70 guys all month long, that would be 30 times 10500 = 315,000 baht money intake for the month.
[/QUOTE]But you must know that is never, ever, ever going to happen. Not even for one night of one month in one year. Nobody is proposing a business model that calls for, advertises for and is only interested in attracting customers who milk one drink all night. Of course, serious drunks who cannot abide 1 minute to pass before a fresh drink lands in front of them every 10-15 minutes are the preferred customers for a bar owner. But no bar is so blessed to be filled with only those kinds of customers either. And talk about an annoyed service staff! Holy crap, I wouldn't wish such a work environment on my worst enemy! lol.
Thankfully for virtually everyone involved, bars get a mix of both kinds of customers and a goodly percentage of those in between.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2198210]Yep. That's it! Good analysis (without fine checking the detail).
Of course Long Gun is probably struggling these days since has lots of empty seats, and virtually no slim models suited to me, so I don't check it out very often. [/QUOTE]Ah, now we've tickled around the edges of what Long Gun or any other bar's better method might be than to hassle slow drinkers in order to avoid this hypothetical moment when 70 customers show up at the same time to milk one drink all night. Guess what, the Long Gun Bar in this example made many, many times more baht from just one of those 70 guys sitting in there milking one drink all night than they made from YOU who weren't even inspired enough by their likely line up to walk into the place at all.
And instead of scratching their heads and wondering how the hell it ever happened that 70 strangers who never met each other before walked into this one bar and every damn one of them milked one drink all night, the management might put a little thought into why they staff their go-go bar with chubby girls who apparently give such lousy real sex service or cannot inspire their customers to engage with them so thoroughly that all 70 of the customers packing the place couldn't be bothered to buy even one of them a Lady Drink on the prospect of taking it further into a barfine.
Hong Kong was very boring because I can't play at all, so I decided to head back to Thailand after the weekend was over. After landing at BKK airport, the troubles began when I went through immigration. I have a 50 page passport, and about 40 of those pages are used up with stamps and visas from all around the world. Perhaps 25-30 nations total in the past 5-6 years. Thailand having the most because I spend about 9 months out of the year here. No special extended visas ever given to me, only 30 day stamps or normal tourist visas. In the past I have been given only 5 Thai tourist visas in the past 4 years, each 2 months long. So the officer behind the booth looked at my passport and saw I had so many entry and exit stamps for Thailand. Maybe 8-10 in a year for the past 3 years is what I have. He looked rather confused and lost while scrolling through all the pages in my passport. After about 5 minutes, he didn't even ask me anything, and handed me to off a coworker immigration officer. She then walked me out of the lines to a table for questioning by their superior officer on duty. Keep in mind about a year ago, same crap happened at DMK. This is only a "summary" of conversation.
Officer: What are you doing in Thailand?
Me: Holiday.
Officer: I ask you again, what are you doing in Thailand?
Me: I tell you again, holiday.
Officer: Your passport say you come to Thailand many many times. You last come in June.
Me: I cannot come many times to Thailand a year for holiday?
Officer: Why you have holiday so many?
Me: Because I don't work. For past 3 years, my life is one big long holiday. I don't need to work same like you. I just travel and have fun. Honestly, I go everywhere in the world and I think Thailand is the best for fun. Like I said, I don't work, I not married, I not have girlfriend, I not have kids. So I have freedom. Not easy for you to understand, right?
Officer: (Looking bewildered) Your passport very messed up. You go every where too many.
Me: Because I can go wherever I want, not same like everybody. I think you want to know if I working in Thailand, right? I tell you "no. " I bring my own money to spend here. All my money spend come from banks outside of Thailand. (I flash him all my cash in my wallet, which is more than his salary for 3 months. Show him the metal credit cards I have from my father. Show him my bank statements which shows debit ATM withdrawals and credit card purchases on my last trip and for this past year. These statements add up to about 15,000 USD per month as a tourist in Thailand).
Officer: (Looking at the bank statements and his eyes get big). I not worry you come to Thailand for working. I just want know why? You have girlfriend here? You have family here? You look same same Thai people with your many many tattoos.
Me: I think in another country, can make tattoos also. My skin is too white, not like most Thai people with tattoos. But no, I not Thai people. My last name is only 4 letters long, not 20 letters like Thai people. My passport tell you already I am from Hong Kong, but I live in no one country. I only travel, stay hotels, stay condos, and have fun. In Thailand, I don't know anybody but I have 2 baby chang (orphaned elephants) in Phetchaburi. My father and I give Thailand 50,000 baht every month for take care of these 2 chang. In Phuket, we gave 150,000 baht to Soi Dog take care of your dogs and to stop the Thai people from selling the dogs to Korea and China for eat. I just come back in June with my mom and she buy milk and food worth 20,000,000 and give to your temple to take care of kids with no momma and papa. (I then showed him my documents from these charity organizations, the receipts, and the photos).
Officer: Okay, okay. I don't want to see. What work your family do?
Me: My mother and father are not together, but they do not work. They not need to work. I think you know already. I not same another tourist and I not same another person. I think you want to ask me where our money come from. I tell you before already, you will not understand. And the more you talk to me, the more you will get confused. Already, I want to "speak in terms and diction that is probably incomprehensible to you".
Officer: (Looking really confused to what the heck I just said) I not understand what you say.
Me: I'll make this easy for us both. I come to Thailand to enjoy your food, your entertainment, and your beautiful women. I bring many many money from first world countries and give to Thailand and your people. My family and I take care of your animals, children, and your old. And this is not like giving somebody who is begging on Sukhumvit change or twenty baht. We have given more than you will make in your lifetime working this job. I am the perfect tourist for your country, so why are we sitting here having this conversation? Your job is stop people from coming to Thailand who try to work and those who do bad. Do we need to talk to someone who works above you to why you not letting me in?
Officer: (His tone changing and he begins to smile) I just doing my job. The other officer not want to give you a stamp. If I give you a stamp and you make trouble in Thailand, then the police will come back to me and ask why I give you stamp?
Me: (Smiling back) Okay I understand, but you see I been coming since 2011. No trouble yet right? Or else I would have never been allowed to come back again and again. I am good for Thailand. I not same another tourist. I think you know.
Officer: Okay, I give you stamp. But no trouble okay? I want ask question. Why you not open business in Thailand so not have this problem?
Me: (Grinning) For what? I don't work. Why would you want me to work? Why does everybody who works wants me to work? This is really not a problem. This is only fun. Everything I have told and shown you I do in Thailand with papers and pictures of, "Somebody" with more higher power than you have already told me to do in case this problem would happen. They said it will take care of itself, if not, they feel sorry for the immigration officer who denied entry to me. I have done so much for Thailand. Why not let me in? Because you never seen a person with such a good life? And besides, I want a 30 day tourist stamp not a business visa. I think I've done everything right and more to be your #1 tourist, right?
He just laughed and gave me my stamp and I was on my way with one more reminder to "don't get in trouble, I don't want to lose my job. " Now I'm back in Thailand to play some more. I think I will just keep doing what I've been doing to get in. If another board member is able to spend 9 months in Thailand each year without a special visa or multi-entry tourist visa, let me know. I don't think anyone has been able to do what I have done. I've had a other board member suggest I do a 6 month multi entry visa. For that I will get tons of questions as well. First it has to be done in your own country of residence. The requirements for for my country is that you need to show documents that you are 1. Full-time student 2. Employment 3. Retired with pension 4. Self employed or business. I am none of the above. Once again I don't work. I am unemployed and technically I am homeless because I don't have permanent address because I don't need one. So if I ever applied, they will also just get confused. They will ask where does your income come from? Then truth is you might want to ask my father. And honestly, I don't want to scare you, but I don't think you want to have that conversation with him at all.
After checking in my hotel Aspira off Sukhumvit 7/1, I was hungry and decided to book lunch using the Eatigo app. I opted to book at the Green House Cafe at the Landmark Hotel near Nana. So when arrived, I took at seat outside the cafe in the patio. The waitress brought me a menu that said Green House Cafe. I looked over the menu and told her I had a booking through Eatigo at 3:30 pm. She told me that if I booked through Eatigo, I had to sit inside the cafe towards the back. I said really? Is it the same food served? She said yes. I said is the same restaurant? She said yes. Are you the same waitress who will serve me? She said yes. Then I shook my head and asked, why am I not allowed to sit outside in the patio? She said that was the rule. So I said back, because I booked with Eatigo, I am not allowed sit outside overlooking a view. This make no sense to me at all. So I got up and went to Hooters instead to grab a bite. The view there was much better. I could have raised hell with that waitress and proven my point, but who am I really arguing with? A waitress in a third world country working at a place that adds an automatic 10% gratuity, whether or not, there was good service provided. I once ate at The Green House Cafe and ordered the the Noodles with Shrimp Wontons. I asked the waiter what's inside these wontons and he read the menu back to me and said "shrimp. " After he brought out the food and I took a bite, I told him it also had pork. I can taste it. I don't eat pork. He said I was wrong and went to ask the kitchen. He came back and said the kitchen staff said wontons are made with pork and shrimp. I replied back, then it should be called "shrimp and pork" wontons. And "no" some wontons are made with only 100% shrimp. The waitstaff just stared at me with this real dumb look on their faces. Why am I tipping 10% again? Anyways, after my lunch at Hooters, I went to take a nap.
At around 8 pm I woke up and headed out to Nana. Twister again was the first bar. About 30 girls dancing, but none caught my eye. One girl who I've already been with kept walking by smiling at me. I pretended not to know her because from what I remembered, she was only a so so experience. By that I meant, she showered, but didn't brush her teeth, quick BBBJ less than 5 minutes, lazy during sex and made me do all the work, sex was average and not erotic or passionate or loud, did not do CIM, and left my bathroom a mess. That's often a no repeat for me and no drink if I see your ass next time as well. A decent experience always has a bit more passion, cleanliness, and ends with CIM. That deserves a drink next time, but not necessarily a repeat. An extraordinary experience with a hot girl, well. You have read on those already. Those get repeated and lots of drinks. This girl I was ignoring was just meh, so I didn't want to waste my money on her. About 8:45 they started playing Thai disco music, so I burned off to Rainbow 5 next door. That place was dead. I only stayed for one Diet Coke and left in 5 minutes. Only two hot girls dancing #116 and #7, both I have already been with. There is also this one girl there, who is small in frame with breast implants. She keeps on getting botox face injections. Her face looked like she has just gotten stung by a swarm of bees and is swollen. I bet you can figure out who I am talking about if you ever go to rainbow 5. She sits far right at the base of long stage when you walk in. Horrible looking. Next I went to Thermae around 9 pm. Place was pretty empty as well. I recognized about 10 or so girls who I have gone with before. It's always so weird because in their minds they think they have done something wrong because I won't repeat again and again, except maybe with a handful of girls when I get bored. The girls I know just roll their eyes at me when I walk by at Thermae. Funny.
I left and went back to Nana and bounced into Lollipop. Nothing there so only 1 soda water and left. Next Mandarin first floor and nothing was there. Pesky older mamasan with glasses sat right next to me and kept pointed out these girls and saying "narak. " I kept telling her, "look at me and look at them. " They not narak and not my style. I feel bad for these girls because they smile at me and I just ignore them. They are either overweight, too dark, funny looking, or just not pretty at all. Some all of the above. Maybe that smiling crap can spell another customer, but not me. Mamasan then asked me for a drink and I looked at her and said back "for what?" I paid my bill and went upstairs. At Mandarin second floor, I was the ONLY customer in the whole bar, so I had all eyes on me. Girls there seemed young and many were flat chested. When it was time to switch girls on stage, two girls approach me. They were then two best looking ones in the club. But still, my standards are more higher. They smiled, said their introductions, and the waitress came over immediately and asked me if I wanted to buy them a drink. I told the waitress if I did, then I would have called them down myself. These girls came to me on there own. One of the girls then left. The other one stayed and told the waitress, it's okay, she didn't need a drink and would sit with me anyways. Now a newbie would have fallen for that shit, but not me. There was nobody else in the club. This all game. Let me sit with him without a drink, talk to him, touch him, and then he will begin to like me. Monkeypaw is too good at this game. I told her again, if I wanted to get to know you, I would have already called you down immediately when I first laid eyes on you. She kind of felt embarrassed. This was clearly the best looking one on that club tonight, bit just not my type. I paid my bill and told her bye bye.
Being that it was late, I wanted to grab a girl quick. I had just taken a gel pack and felt it kicking in. I headed up one more floor to Butterflies. Within 30 seconds of entry, I saw her. All the girls dancing wore the soccer outfits because of the World Cup Series, but the one that stood out to me had a cute Japanese look to her, #442. I asked the waitress to call #442 down. She even made the gesture with her fingers 4-4-2, when I repeated the number. The girl was dancing right in front of me. Waitress walked around the bar and then came back 2 minutes later. She then told me #442 is not working tonight. She holiday! I looked at the waitress, pointed at the girl, and said she is right in front of us! Waitress went to the stage, stared at her badge and then only gave me a stupid look. When #442 came down she seemed surprised I called her. Her name wad Music. We moved back into the back where the couches were and she ordered a drink. It was in a tall glass, so I was like, great she likes me. The girl spoke no English at all. She said the standard, what is your name, where you come from, how long holiday chit chat, nothing more. Music was cute as heck though, but it was weird not being able to talk much to her. We had to use a translator app. She was only 19 years old, never worked a go go bar before, and has only been there 7 days. You can tell she never worked before because she can't even lie. I asked her where she worked before and she told me the exact name of the shop in the mall. She also told me she has never a boyfriend but has a tomboy. I was like errr? Who says stuff like that anyways? I was thinking, this is going nowhere, she is too fresh and naive. The waitress came around and asked me if I can buy her another drink. I then thought, "what the hell, she is too cute to pass up. " I told the waitress to ask her in Thai, can she go outside with a customer? If she can be barfined, I will buy her drinks. If not, the she has to go back on stage. The waitress asked Music and her eyes got big. She had this deer in the headlights look on her face. Then both mamasans came over to see what the commotion was about.
The waitress then told the mamasans what I said about Music, the drinks, and being able to barfine her. One mamasan started talking to Music in Thai, while the other chatted with me. The one chatting with me told me that Music is brand new to dancing and she doesn't understand what barfine and going out with customer means. Music was asking them to ask me, where are we going and for how long? Then the mamasan asked me. I told them I want to take her back to my room on Soi 7/1. She can come back at 1 am. It was about 10:00 now. They translated back to her and she still looked lost. I jumped in and asked her, how much does she want. Mamasan translated and she mumbled something back. To my surprise, Music had asked for 4000 baht to go with me. I told Mamasan, that was okay with me. The mamasans then told me, I was her very first customer ever. Mamasan then said she is like a virgin. I said back, because I will be her first customer? Mamasan said, "no because she say she never been with a man before". I was thinking what the hell have I just gotten myself into? Either I'm getting hustled, or something because this is getting weird. So I paid the 700 baht barfine and ended buying shots for both mamasans and drinks for Music and the waitress. We sat there all talking a bit more. They kept wanting me to do things like hold Music's hand or put my arms around her to comfort her. I was like I'm not like that. I think they were just scared for her because she is so naive and new to the scene. I asked Music why she agreed to go with me and she told me that she wasn't scared of me. She also went to the bathroom earlier and messaged her tomboy. Her tomboy had said their rent was late for this month. She said if I was another customer, she would not go. I guess she felt safe enough and I was good looking enough for Music to let me break her in.
While she was changing, I glanced at my bill. Danger! Those drinks at Butterflies that the waitress brought for herself and Music were 340 baht each. Dang! That's why they were in big glasses. When a girl asked for drink at Butterflies, and she has no intention of going with a customer, they will ask for a drink in tall Collins glass. That counts as 2 drinks towards their salary. If the customer complains, by then, the girls have drank their glasses and they move on to the next customer. Forget the whole tequila and coke chaser, now it's juts one tall glass of anything that counts as 2 lady drinks. I immediately checked and pay the drink bill which was 1600 baht for my 1 club soda, 2 lady drinks, 1 waitress drink, and 2 mamasan shots. Soon after, Music comes out dressed and we are headed back to my room. This is where it gets more weird. I showered first, no problem there at all. I come out and she is just on the bed playing with her phone. I thought I will give her some time. But after 5 minutes, I asked in Thai if she was going to shower. She looked confused. She then was like no, it's too cold. I said I have hot water in the shower. She looked even more confused. What had the mamasans really told her? I hadn't paid her yet, so I wasn't too worried. I use a translator to type out "don'tu you want to clean yourself before sex?" She looked at it and of course didn't understand what it said. I bet they word "sex" was translated wrong using Google. I then used hand signals showing her showering and I kept saying "boom boom". Dang! The girl didn't even know what boom boom meant! She only looked at me more confused than ever. I then showed her pictures of porn and people having sex on my phone. She just giggles and points at the bathroom. I said yes yes! So finally after all this confusion, she heads into the bathroom and I can hear the shower being turned on and used.
My dick by now isn't even hard anymore. I had to lay in bed and play with myself a bit to get keep it stiff. This was too much drama for mini Monkeypaw. About 10 minutes later, Music comes out and she is fully dressed in the same clothes as before. I'm like "what the fuck?" She sits right next to me in bed. She kept saying "Ai. " And so I understood, this girl was really a virgin or I am her first customer, maybe first guy ever. She was shy and didn't know what to do at all. I proceeded to help her take off her clothes and to give her a towel cover herself. We did everything so slowly. Her BBBJ was not good, she didn't know how to ride on top, she did not know how to arch or bend her back in doggie, she could barley open her legs wide enough in missionary, and she winced and whimpered a lot. But dang her pussy was very tight and felt as if I was having bareback (though I had a condom) sex because she was getting so wet. After about an hour of me banging her, I couldn't stand to see her in anguish anymore from fucking her too deep. I think she was complaining while moaning, but didn't know how to speak English to tell me. I had to let her finish me with an oil hand job to end her of her misery. When I came, she kept stroking my dick as if she didn't know that a man's orgasm maybe last 4-5 seconds. She kept jacking me off for about 20 seconds until I couldn't bear it anymore. My cock stayed strong because of the gel I took. That was just too crazy for me. I wasn't about to even break any of my toys and try with this one. She would have ran back to Nana in a heartbeat. I paid her the 4000 for her effort and walked her downstairs. Not sure why any guys have this fantasy about banging young virgins, it sure does suck fucking them.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2198206]It's a successful business model due to the OTHER customers in the place who actually spend some money, not because of the guy milking one drink all night.[/QUOTE]It's a successful business model if it makes enough profit. That profit is generated by all customers, "the other customers" (whoever that is) as well as the guy milking one drink all night. They all generate profit for the bar and it all goes into the same pocket.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2198206]I will use Long Gun as the example. That place has about 70 seats. If it was completely full of 70 guys who each ordered one drink then sat there all night milking that drink (...).[/QUOTE]And what exactly is the point of using an example that doesn't exist in reality?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2198210]Good analysis (without fine checking the detail).[/QUOTE]Concluding something is a good analysis just to add that you didn't even check the details hilarious. Really would love to know what some of you guys do in real life.
Going to a bar with an alcohol licence and seeing people drinking water is a real turn off for me. Think they are judging my copious consumption of alcohol. I would take my business elsewhere to more appropriate environs. I would let management know why I am leaving.
When there is a non drinker in a group, I am with, we usually go to more sedate places.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2198225].Thankfully for virtually everyone involved, bars get a mix of both kinds of customers and a goodly percentage of those in between.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Amnesia;2198287]Concluding something is a good analysis just to add that you didn't even check the details hilarious. Really would love to know what some of you guys do in real life.[/QUOTE]Syzygies is probably the plural form of syzygy, which is a mathematical term. But unlike mathematics mongering is not an exact science so no need to check the details LOL.
It would be naive to think that is what the original poster think. The actual scenario is going to fall in between the two extremes. The profitability is determined by which extreme it is close to. Is that good for the owner when a gogo bar is run like an all you can eat buffet without time limit? Sooner or later, the owners will figure out a new way to get more income when they get smarter. If you look at KTV, the entry price is a lot higher than one drink, and there is a time component built into the cost. Gogo bar is very cheap in comparison.
And again, I am inspired by Mr. MPs wierd night.
Some generalizations:
1. The difference between plain and stunner is usually make up.
2. The older the babe, the better it plays. Experience counts.
3. Bad experiences are the result of high expectations. Thus, for a fast finishing disinterested clutz like me, having her stay and want to cuddle after instead of just leaving is a bad experience. For you, not having that 2nd grade educated stunner fall in love with your witty repartee and sensual skills might be a bad experience. And as I have said before, as you kiss that new love of your life, remember that she was behind the dumpster pulling a 2 minute chowder slurp with me for 500 b.
3. Money counts. If you don't got it, act like you do.
4. Train your little head to remember that if it doesn't happen now, it will happen later.
5. Dumping a load is dumping a load. Next.
6. Have fun.
Hi everyone,
I'll be heading back to Bangkok next month and I am wondering how close and how many short time love hotels there are around Nana Plaza? Also any recent reviews on Soms Haven, Kasalong, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], Chrome or Wood Bar? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2198408]And again, I am inspired by Mr. MPs wierd night.
Some generalizations:
1. The difference between plain and stunner is usually make up.
2. The older the babe, the better it plays. Experience counts.
3. Bad experiences are the result of high expectations. Thus, for a fast finishing disinterested clutz like me, having her stay and want to cuddle after instead of just leaving is a bad experience. For you, not having that 2nd grade educated stunner fall in love with your witty repartee and sensual skills might be a bad experience. And as I have said before, as you kiss that new love of your life, remember that she was behind the dumpster pulling a 2 minute chowder slurp with me for 500 b.
3. Money counts. If you don't got it, act like you do.
4. Train your little head to remember that if it doesn't happen now, it will happen later.
5. Dumping a load is dumping a load. Next.
6. Have fun.[/QUOTE]To elaborate.
Beer goggles are better then any makeup.
Keep them over night for a morning session and keep a large bottle of mouthwash.
The sharper girls usually find out if you have money.
There is always another around the corner.
I hope I'm behind the dumpster dumping my load in your next girls mouth LOL.
And always have fun, life is too short to take yourself or anyone else too seriously.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2198255]Weird Night in Bangkok:
My dick by now isn't even hard anymore. I had to lay in bed and play with myself a bit to get keep it stiff. This was too much drama for mini Monkeypaw. About 10 minutes later, Music comes out and she is fully dressed in the same clothes as before. I'm like "what the fuck?" She sits right next to me in bed. She kept saying "Ai. " And so I understood, this girl was really a virgin or I am her first customer, maybe first guy ever. She was shy and didn't know what to do at all. I proceeded to help her take off her clothes and to give her a towel cover herself. We did everything so slowly. Her BBBJ was not good, she didn't know how to ride on top, she did not know how to arch or bend her back in doggie, she could barley open her legs wide enough in missionary, and she winced and whimpered a lot. But dang her pussy was very tight and felt as if I was having bareback (though I had a condom) sex because she was getting so wet. After about an hour of me banging her, I couldn't stand to see her in anguish anymore from fucking her too deep. I think she was complaining while moaning, but didn't know how to speak English to tell me. I had to let her finish me with an oil hand job to end her of her misery. When I came, she kept stroking my dick as if she didn't know that a man's orgasm maybe last 4-5 seconds. She kept jacking me off for about 20 seconds until I couldn't bear it anymore. My cock stayed strong because of the gel I took. That was just too crazy for me. I wasn't about to even break any of my toys and try with this one. She would have ran back to Nana in a heartbeat. I paid her the 4000 for her effort and walked her downstairs. Not sure why any guys have this fantasy about banging young virgins, it sure does suck fucking them.[/QUOTE]On young Lesbos and other new to the business Go Go girls; It all depends.
My most recent experience with a young, inexperienced, Go Go lesbo occurred on my last trip. I walked into Mandarin upstairs one night and spotted two very attractive coyotes dancing on the stage. One was tall and thin with a beautiful face and dark hair. The other, May, was a sexy spinner with dark hair. I couldn't decide which girl I liked more. They were both very attractive and somewhat similar looking except in body type. So, I flipped a mental coin and called over the spinner. We held hands and tried to talk a little, but her English was about where my Thai is: not good. I did get that she just starting working there that week. Ha Ha. Which I took with grain of salt.
Anyway, I liked her demureness and very good looks so I asked her if she wanted to barfine. She understood the word "barfine" all right because she smiled and then immediately motioned for mamasan to come over and to translate for us. I normally don't like to include the mamasan in these negotiations, but in this case, it was necessary due to May's inexperience and lack of English and to this end mamasan did a good job in handling the intricacies of the discussion between myself and May by convincing the young girl that I was an upstanding Farang and everything would be ok. So, we sailed through the 1st discussion point on where the tryst would occur my hotel obviously although May originally was shooting for a ST room inside Nana. Then the 2nd phase in the discussions was over when May would be paid and on this point, I made it clear to mamasan that payment would be made after services rendered not before. I gather that these discussions were somewhat similar to your experience with Music except in my case there was no drink games in the bar. Anyway, everybody was happy with the final outcome. I paid the barfine of 1500, the small drink tab, and left a friendly tip for mamasan so she would remember me next time. May was a coyote and the only one of 2 stunners in the bar that night. May then asked if I wanted her to go change into her street clothes. I said I did. She came back quickly looking fine and we left Nana hand in hand. Things were looking good!
Back in my loom we talked a little as best we could and got acquainted. She then told me about her boyfriend who was a "Tom" and asked if I knew what a "Tom" was. I said I understood and she showed me a few pictures. Her "boyfriend" was a butch looking sort of girl with very short crew cut peroxide blond hair and a dense, but not fat body.
In final analysis, I think the lesbian thing was more a factor for May than her lack of experience. Maybe that was the case with you and Music. Anyway, I coaxed her into showering together and I showed her how to put shower gel on my dick to get a response as I did for her breasts and pussy. She was not very into the shower scene LOL and I was beginning to wonder if I had made a mistake.
2 strikes and then a home run:
Then on the bed with her body wrapped in a towel and buried under the sheets it looked like the session was heading nowhere fast. I tried to gently kiss her, but she turned her head away and said she did not like to kiss. So, I moved down to kiss her nipples and she told me she did not like that either. Uh Oh! But luckily for me she had an amazing body with near perfect skin tone. I looked at her trimmed little pussy and it looked very inviting. So, I asked her if she liked licking and pointed towards her pussy and to my surprise she smiled and said yes. The rest is history my friends. I took my time with her by licking around her clit first and moving up and down her inner thigh, but eventually I honed in on her prize and she became very lugubrious, almost a frigging fountain. Then she began to moan softly with her head turned to the side and her eyes closed. Around 30 minutes into it she pressed my head down onto her vagina and clenched her thighs around my head where she held me until she orgasmed. When I finally came up for air I moved up to her "be" cup ta ta's and licked away. She did not object. Then I moved up between her legs and we began kissing. Meanwhile I moved my dick up and down in between her pussy lips in a parallel direction to her body. I knew she was mine and on one of my upward moves I let the top of my dick enter her. I stopped there and looked into her eyes. They were half open and smiling at me so I went all the way in.
The moral to this little story is young Lesbos can be good in bed if you are patient with them at the beginning and willing to go down on them. I may not be a "Tom", LOL, but goddam it, I can lick pussy as good as any of them.
Afterwards May and I exchanged Line profiles and I told her I wanted to see her again. But it was near the end of my trip and I had too many other girls to attend to in too little time. May was busy too so we never had a 2nd boom boom. It would have been interesting to see if she would have remembered the good stuff or I would have had to start all over again with her from the beginning. I don't know. We kept chatting on Line for about 6 months, but then her account went dead. I will probably never see the little vixen again, but you never know. Ha Ha. It is just another story in the Naked City.
In my sporting life I have had a number of similar type sessions with young, less experienced girls. I will continue to take my chances with them if they are really attractive. Which brings to mind a session I had a few years ago that began with a similar stumbling out of the gate situation, but then with a little patience and oral sex, the same very happy ending resulted. This girl was an 18-year-old Chiang Mai girl that I met in Nataree. She was sitting in the back with other young, new girls. Her price was 4000 which was at the high end for girls at this massage parlor. The papasan said she had just begun work there 3 nights prior, but she looked great and from what she was like in the loom, I believe he was telling me the truth. I won't go into it now. I posted a report back when. Nataree is no longer. But I still remember that girl! We had great sex once I went down on her and got her juices flowing. Young Asian Girls, not virgins (555)! I love them!
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2198573]Asian Girls! I love them![/QUOTE]+1.
Gotta love 'em little bunnies.
Champions- any day time places to go? Tried Smooci- not that great experience- photos are heavily photoshopped.
Although it's about everyday that I am able to pay for play with a girl, I only report when something happens out of the norm. Tonight I started off at Baccara Soi Cowboy at around 8:10. I waltzed in and decided I wanted to sit on the bottom floor, near the stairs directly facing the TV. The mamasan that wears glasses (not the botoxed face one with the hat) was already sitting there with her check off sheet for girls coming in for their shifts. I then jumped at her seat, smiled at her, shooed her aside, and took a seat next to her. I've known her for a few years now, so we have that type of relationship. I bought her a couple of glasses of red wine and we just sat and started to chit chat about some of the girls there. She asked me why I don't take as many girls from downstairs as I used to. I told her, for the most part, I've went through half of the club already. She said there a a few there that are pretty that I haven't gone with. I looked at her and smiled, and said "I bet there is a reason why." I told her I know that these few girls get the most complaints from customers. I even pointed out the ones on stage to her. The girls hate it when I sit with the mamasan and point them out one by one. They know I am talking shit about them. They just give me dirty looks and roll their eyes. These few girls are known to prey on new and first time customers. They smile, wink, come down for some drinks, ask to boom boom, take your money up front, make you pay more than the required barfine, pocket 400 extra baht into their purses, take you to the short time room across, give you horrible and lousy service, sometimes leaving you in the room by yourself after 45 minutes, and then go back and find another victim. Be careful of girls who take cash from a customer to go pay the barfine instead of adding it to the final bill that the waitress settles. That's why they don't dare smile at me, I know their scams to well. And I avoid them as well. I also give the heads up to anybody that hangs out with me at Baccara. Customers can't really complain because these few girls make money for the club. And besides their victims are always the new customers who carry no status in this scene. If you are hip top their game, these girls won't even smile or approach you because they know that you know. That's why we just avoid each other. Even after 4 years, not a Hello, not even once. After running up about a 1000 baht bill in drinks, I headed off to see what's happening at Thermae.
Got there around 9:15, mainly Asian customers tonight. There was this one very young Korean, short guy with long hair. His face looked very girly, but obviously we was a guy. He was standing right next to me trying to ask some questions to these two Thai girls. They kept giggling. I overheard them tell him that he had a face "same same lady ". He just stared back at them with an astonished look. It was pretty funny actually. I decided to make it more entertaining for everyone as I was getting bored. I walked up to him and the girls and said "Hi, how are you. " Both girls smiled and said "Sawadee Ka" back. I frowned at them and told them, "sorry, I was talking to her" and pointed at the short young pretty Korean guy with long hair. I then asked him "how much for short time?" His eyes got big and he slurred out, "I am man! Not Thai lady!" I told him "sorry, I don't know, you look same like a girl". He got a little mad and walked off. I smiled at the girls and went back to my stool to sit. Within 15 minutes of hanging out, I saw my play thing for this evening. She was standing towards the back tables behind in the back. She was away from the rest of the girls. She stood out like a sore thumb. I am an expert when it comes to recognizing this shit, so I quickly made my move before some other guy did. She was taller about 5'5", slim, and very white skin. Her feature did not resemble Thai at all. I went up to her and asked her name in Thai. She only smiled, but looked a bit scared. I whispered "you can't understand because you are not Thai right?" She nodded in agreement. Then I asked her how much? She put up 3 fingers for short time for 3000 baht. I said okay, no problem and we left. I knew that she did not want the girls around her knowing she was a foreigner working there.
My first guess was that she was Chinese or Vietnamese, but I waited to ask her outside as we were walking. Her name sounded like Nhung? And she told me she was from Hanoi. She came to BKK with a couple of other girls to work Thermae. It was nice to get lucky with a Viet girl and having a break from Thai girls. Although I'm from HK, I speak a little Vietnamese as well so it made the getting to know you part easy. She was very pretty and had ample boobs. Her white skin made her stand out from the rest of the girls at Thermae. Her looks was what made her a rare gem in the bar. But that's about where the good part ended. We went back to the room and her service was so so. She didn't want to do BBBJ and from there it all went downhill. On top, she came after 5 minutes of grinding (I have that effect) and then got tired. From that point she was so sensitive that she kept screaming too loud when we switched positions to fuck even more. I was scared my neighbors would call reception and tell them that there was a murder being committed. She used my pillow as a muffle and ripped my pillowcase with her teeth. There was spit everywhere, literally I thought this girl was dying. She looked like she was possessed by the devil and my room was a scene from the Exorcist. Her eyes kept rolling back when I was pounding her. I had to stop after 30 minutes. I told her to just hand job me until I finished. Oh well, I got my 30 minutes of cardio in for the day. No regrets, but I would not repeat. While she was in my room, I was messaging another ISG member about my find. I wanted to snap some photos of her to which she was a bit camera shy. After our session, I asked her for her contact info. She gave me her WeChat in case I ever visit Hanoi, but I was just actually just trying get access and steal some photos to send to him. Perhaps another guy would have better luck with her. She and her friends are here until the 11th. Sorry to nit pick, but I just can't deal screamers in bed.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2198408] .......as you kiss that new love of your life, remember that she was behind the dumpster pulling a 2 minute chowder slurp with me for 500 b.
[/QUOTE]'500 Baht chowder slurp', love it.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2198343]It would be naive to think that is what the original poster think. The actual scenario is going to fall in between the two extremes. The profitability is determined by which extreme it is close to. Is that good for the owner when a gogo bar is run like an all you can eat buffet without time limit? Sooner or later, the owners will figure out a new way to get more income when they get smarter. If you look at KTV, the entry price is a lot higher than one drink, and there is a time component built into the cost. Gogo bar is very cheap in comparison.[/QUOTE]The Go Go bar business model. While things are tamer now, 20 years ago, that 40 kilo spinner #999 with flat tits was grinding an untrimmed Bush in your face while you threw $1 beers down your gullet. The business model was and is.
Get them drunk. Fast.
That's right folks, the bar don't make shit from bar fines compared to that rack of miners from Oz who are drinking Bangkok dry. Yes, Mathilda, alcohol tends to lower inhibitions. That meek little man from Merseyside is now in his 17 beer, bellowing like an aroused bullfrog more beer wench more pussy argggg burp as waitresses bring drinks and triple his check bin bahts falling out of his pocket here baby have this purple piece of paper give me a kiss face plant burp more beer.
Drink, drank drunk, forget. Now it's fine to nurse a drink or nondrink, but they don't really want you there because you are either a Cheap Charlie or A non drinker. Either way you don't fit the model.
Drink, drunk, spend forget. Think of the despair in Mamasans eyes as an old expat walks into nurse his water and memories while taking a seat at the drip bar, thereby denying a seat to that gaggle of twenty something first trip Millwall boys who have never seen Asian pussy and cheap beer one place!
Drink drank drunk spend forget. Drain that beer buy that lady drink hoot and holler ring that bell f*ck me mate how much did we drink last night.
It's a party scene. How do you make more money. A quiet, sedate venue where old guys listlessly stir drinks with their fingers and dancers gyrate like snails to Tom Jones hits, or a fucking horror show party where guys are having screaming chug contests to throbbing Thai EDM while naked babes gyrate on their laps pouring bottles of Veuve in their mouths and drizzling down their perky breasts.
Party! Testosterone! Pussy! Ramp it up! Oooooorah! Spend spends pens.
Disclaimer. Not for me no more. Too old.
Some new thoughts for the monger from Comrade Yezhov, all based on actual scenes.
1. If your man boobs are bigger than the bar girls, don't wear wifebeaters.
2. Thai girls love a sense of humour. That does not include taking your teeth out and clicking them at a girl young enough To be your granddaughter.
3. Hauling off and laying a long lizard lick on a dancers face without buying a ladydrink might get you beat.
4. Getting between two LadyBoys fighting G outside of Thermae will get you beat.
Have fun!
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[QUOTE=Shekhar647;2198614]Champions- any day time places to go? Tried Smooci- not that great experience- photos are heavily photoshopped.[/QUOTE]Dating apps.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2198724]. She used my pillow as a muffle and ripped my pillowcase with her teeth. There was spit everywhere, literally, I thought this girl was dying. She looked like she was possessed by the devil and my room was a scene from the Exorcist. Her eyes kept rolling back when I was pounding her. I had to stop after 30 minutes. I told her to just hand job me until I finished. Oh well, I got my 30 minutes of cardio in for the day. No regrets, but I would not repeat. but I just can't deal screamers in bed.[/QUOTE]Seems you simply found another scammer to me. I personally think the screamers are just another tactic to get you to stop- and for her, it worked. I had one in Kenya, screaming like a fucking fool, and the hotel kitchen just on the opposite wall. All their kitchen noise just completely stopped. She had not done that before. If they want to play that game, I simply keep going until I'm finished.
The Viet I had in Singapore played the hold me game. You know the one when they grab you like they own you, and don't let go until you give in? I gave in, but in the room, she was in ecstasy riding me cowgirl. One of my more memorable shags.
[QUOTE=NakedGunz;2198878]I personally think the screamers are just another tactic to get you to stop[/QUOTE]You mean these girls are not genuine when they are with us? I am totally shocked by this comment and do not believe it.
Kassalong, or other BJ bars. And any MPs, 24,24/1 in particular. Those are your best daytime options. My normal MO is the MPs / BJ Bars during afternoon. Then gogos at night. You get the girls "fresher" at the MPs and gogo girl selection at night. You can always have your gogo contacts for daytime but since the girls work nights they want to sleep during the day.
[QUOTE=Shekhar647;2198614]Champions- any day time places to go? Tried Smooci- not that great experience- photos are heavily photoshopped.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2198742]The Go Go bar business model. While things are tamer now, 20 years ago, that 40 kilo spinner #999 with flat tits was grinding an untrimmed Bush in your face while you threw $1 beers down your gullet. The business model was and is.
Get them drunk. Fast.
That's right folks, the bar don't make shit from bar fines compared to that rack of miners from Oz who are drinking Bangkok dry. Yes, Mathilda, alcohol tends to lower inhibitions. That meek little man from Merseyside is now in his 17 beer, bellowing like an aroused bullfrog more beer wench more pussy argggg burp as waitresses bring drinks and triple his check bin bahts falling out of his pocket here baby have this purple piece of paper give me a kiss face plant burp more beer.
Drink, drank drunk, forget. Now it's fine to nurse a drink or nondrink, but they don't really want you there because you are either a Cheap Charlie or A non drinker. Either way you don't fit the model.
Drink, drunk, spend forget. Think of the despair in Mamasans eyes as an old expat walks into nurse his water and memories while taking a seat at the drip bar, thereby denying a seat to that gaggle of twenty something first trip Millwall boys who have never seen Asian pussy and cheap beer one place!
[/QUOTE]LOL. Only problem for bars with girls attached as the lure is they are not really necessary for me or anyone else to achieve the ultimate goal of 1) Getting drunk, 2) Getting drunk with my buddies, 3) Meeting Thai girls, 4) Getting drunk with Thai girls, 5) Meeting and/or getting drunk with Thai girls who will be fucking or sucking me within the hour if I want. It was always the case that those bars were merely an entertaining option, not an absolute necessity for getting drunk and/or getting well laid by Thai girls all over the place. And it is more true now than ever.
By contrast, those bars do need me or others like me to achieve their ultimate goal of 1) Pay their bills and stay in business. They need me even though I am closer to being the slow water drinker than to the two-fisted chuggers supposedly showing up by the busloads (but not really, not from what I've observed).
The challenge built into their business model is to add something so compelling to the environment most certainly related to the girls they use as the lure that I cannot resist the draw into their establishment to spend my money there instead of achieving my ultimate goal of getting well laid and sucked by Thai girls for a fraction of the cost elsewhere. If they fall short of meeting that challenge, I do myself and the next monger interested in the same ultimate goal no favors by piling up check bins for my drinks and lady drinks anyway just because some disapproving, sad faced staffers really, really want me to.
Gogo bars are just brothels with a better presentation of the girls, I. E. They are naked and dance, so you can make an informed decision who you want. You go there to get a girl for sex, not for partying, unless you go with a bunch of friends maybe (but then even G-clubs can be fun). So you drink while you're sitting and watching and selecting. It's not that these bars have very sophisticated shows or that the girls could dance. Even those bars that try to be a bit more sophisticated by having some show elements usually aren't that much fun because they're not in the show business but in the sell-farm-girls-to-mongers business. Most of these shows rather make you laugh.
That setup was ok with me some years ago when girls were young, pretty, and naked; barfines and rates were reasonable; and people were friendly and not constantly harassing you to buy drinks and girls. My old condo used to be around the corner of Soi Cowboy and I went there almost every week and had quite some fun with the girls. At that time, the coyote nonsense just started.
These days there is too much bullshit. Coyotes who drink but don't fuck; double ladydrink scams; barfines of 1500 Baht (that's what I used to pay for ST! ST rates of 3000 Baht; unfriendly staff and girls constantly asking for drinks and to take a girl. It's not that sex is difficult to get in Bangkok, even now with Nataree and all the soapie disappearing. For someone living here, the agogos are just not good value for money anymore. I rather stick to my freebies and some freelancer every once in a while. They're all much cheaper and nicer.
[QUOTE=GCNovice;2196770]I was there recently and the BF was 700 baht. It could be that I only asked for ST? I usually do not visit go-go bar because of the mamasan and drinks. I think I know which fat ugly mamasan you are talking about, I have a hate for 1 too. I went to billboards for two nights. Any ways, if you go back look for #14, #19, #39, or #804.
Number #19 is a con though, watch out for her.[/QUOTE]Somebody else mentioned #84 along with the numbers above. I went to Billboard last night, #19 was not working but the rest of the girls listed above were 14,39, 804, and 84. Out of those, only one had any boobs to speak of, and that was #39. The rest were not to my liking at all. Monkeypaw is not into flat chested girls at all. About #39, she used to work at Shark Bar as a coyote and I have already fucked her when she worked at Shark. She has bigger than average natural perky boobs, a decent lay, and very pleasing, but I wouldn't grab her again because she looks as if she's been playing "ice" and lost a lot weight. She smiled at me and I pretended not to recognize her. None of the rest of the girls working were brave enough to approach me. I see them even smiling at these groups of Indian guys, but never me. They pretty much know that I don't fall for their hustles. Ha ha, got to love it when the girls can recognize a true blue player like me. There was a sexy one I liked on the bath tub side, but I couldn't see to clearly, maybe next time. The fat mamasan came and sat next to me, asked where I was from, and then immediately asked for a drink. I looked at her and told her ass, "About 2 months ago I came here and barfined a girl, I also spent about 2000 baht on drinks, bought YOU (pointed to her) 2 drinks, tipped you 100 baht, and tipped the waitress 100 baht. But the only the waitress came to me to pay her respects. Let me guess, YOU don't remember me, right? YOU should always remember those who were KIND to you. Now please go away! If I barfine a girl tonight, it will be with another mamasan". Then I made this hand gesture to go away and shoo off. She gave me a dumb look and left. Told you I wasn't like a typical customer. I have no problem spend money, but if you disrespect me, I will embarrass your ass. I stayed there for about 40 minutes running up a 500 drink bill for just me and tipped out my waitress 100 baht.
Next I went to Thermae and I was immediately greeted by the owner as soon as I walked in. If you don't know by now, the owner of Thermae also works as a waiter. He is the older very short guy that looks Japanese. Within minutes, I ended up grabbing a repeat girl I have already reviewed on ISG and have been with at Thermae 2 times previously. She is slim, has man made boobs, petite but with a nice ass, and white skin. Her braces makes her look younger than 26. We went back to hotel and tonight she seemed more frisky than before. I decided to take her all the way. She took quite a long shower and was super clean for me. I broke out all my toys, but forgot to charge them. The batteries ran out. She would have let me bared sex her if I wanted, but that's not my style. I refuse to let myself get stressed out for the risk. Instead I was eating her out doggy style and decided to do some ass licking. She was smooth all over. Once I made it all wet underneath, I fucked her doggy and kept playing with her asshole. I broke out some baby oil rubbed it all over ass. I slowly opened her ass up with fingers, my out battery small toy, and then my cock. She let me fuck her ass her a solid 15 minutes, deep. Then once again, all hell broke loose. When I pulled out to change position, the girl laid a turd on my bed. My condom had shit all over it. What the fuck! This is the first time in my life this has ever happened. I've done anal probably 13 times before. This was a nightmare. She yanked the condom off and ran into the bathroom and locked the door. She showered and cried in the bathroom for like 10 minutes. I think she was embarrassed. Well that was the end of my night. I reassured her that this happens all the time to me, so I was used to it. I was lying my ass off to make her feel better. She said she never let anybody do that before. I reassured her that I was fine and not upset. I paid her 3500 and let her leave. She wanted to hold my hand as we were walking out. Sorry, but I don't hold hands with any girls, much less one that just shitted on my bed. I spent the rest of the night telling this story to another board member and cleaning my hotel sheets. Looking forward to my next adventure tonight.
[QUOTE=NakedGunz;2198878]Seems you simply found another scammer to me. I personally think the screamers are just another tactic to get you to stop- and for her, it worked. I had one in Kenya, screaming like a fucking fool, and the hotel kitchen just on the opposite wall. All their kitchen noise just completely stopped. She had not done that before. If they want to play that game, I simply keep going until I'm finished.
The Viet I had in Singapore played the hold me game. You know the one when they grab you like they own you, and don't let go until you give in? I gave in, but in the room, she was in ecstasy riding me cowgirl. One of my more memorable shags.[/QUOTE]Who knows? All I know is that if I was at the Radisson Blu with soundproof walls, I wouldn't care. I would have let screamed so loud her people in Hanoi could hear her. At this hotel with thinner walls, I did care. Some other stuff girls do are not brush their teeth, so you won't kiss them. Turn temperature up, so you get hot and tired. Turn off all lights. Fart during sex. All to turn you off, so they can shorten the session. I've found ways to combat those spells, but the screaming thing I have not. I've pretty much dealt with it all. I just learned, if you are going to get a so so experience from a girl, at least make sure it's a girl who is top notch in looks. At least with most of my girls, most guys tell me that they were hot, cute, or pretty in the looks department. I feel sorry for those who get bad experiences from average to ugly girls. Geez. But it still poses the question, in this game would you want to keep trying for the prettiest and best looking girls, but only getting good service half of the time OR go after the average looking to below average looking girls and getting better service? Also, pretend that money isn't an issue here. I think mostly everybody would go for the stunners and top looking girls if wasn't about budget and money limitations. And please don't mention to me that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Beauty is whatever majority of opinion says it is. If "most" people say Baccara has the best looking girls and is the best go go club in Bangkok, then it is. Majority opinion always wins.
ROTFLMAF! One slip and you are in deep SHXT! Dude, it is actually a natural thing to happen if one does greek often enough. One big reason why I don't like greek. Better call housekeeping and get new sheets!! The pussy farts are also normal if you push deep enough and if she is tight enough. Heh Heh.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2199061]When I pulled out to change position, the girl laid a turd on my bed. My condom had shit all over it. What the fuck! This is the first time in my life this has ever happened. I've done anal probably 13 times before. This was a nightmare. She yanked the condom off and ran into the bathroom and locked the door. She showered and cried in the bathroom for like 10 minutes. I think she was embarrassed.[/QUOTE]
In the FL market, I like the 22-25 age group. Not hardened and not too many miles.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2198255]Not sure why any guys have this fantasy about banging young virgins, it sure does suck fucking them.[/QUOTE]
Great reports MonkeyPaw, you crack me up.
Bangkok day 1.
This is my first trip to Thailand.
Landed around 9:30 PM. Got through customs quickly. The guy right in front of me was getting a hard time from the official, but eventually they waved him through. Didn't say a single word to me, just stamped my papers and that was it. Grabbed my bags and found my driver. Got to the hotel about 11:00 PM. Unpacked everything and it was already about 11:45 pm. My understanding is that all of the better looking girls are already gone from the gogos at this point?, so I figured it was too late to walk over to Soi cowboy.
So, I used Smooci to book Adiya for 2 hours. She arrived right on time. No trouble with the front desk, though I did have to go get her. If you like older, MILF'why escorts, she checks all the boxes. Pretty standard menu. Shower, massage, BBBJCIM, CFS. Her English is pretty good for someone who is self taught. I was having trouble staying awake, so she left about 10 minutes early.
I have no particular plans for today, but will figure out something. Maybe a massage, my back is killing me after 24 hours of travel.
If you regularly fuck chics in the ass then you are going to occasionally get dirty. I think you will see a bit of coal once every 10 to 20 times and that is when you prepare them well. If they haven't cleaned their ass it could be more often.
Funny story MP. Kudos to you.
Paid a visit to Nana and Soi Cowboy a few nights ago for the first time in a year. I have to say Nana has better looking girls than it has had in the past 2-3 years. My favorite bar for good looking women was Twisters. Soi Cowboy was especially slow since customers seemed to be home watching the World Cup. Entered Bacarra without being asked to buy a drink. The first floor girls weren't too interested in me. The 2nd floor girls were more receptive and topless. Selection overall was good at Baccara but I've never been too crazy about that place. Bought one girl a drink but I realized the chemistry wasn't there during my interview process.
I wound up barfining #32 from Angelwitch at Nana who I thought looked stunning. Beautiful face and figure but small breasts for you breast lovers. I thought she was the best looking girl at Nana that night. She was very compliant with my wishes but she used a condom for the BJ portion if the evening. BF was B700 and she was paid B2500. I don't mind using a condom for BJ with someone that looks that good. I wonder if anybody knows her or agrees with me that she is gorgeous. Unfortunately I left my phone in the hotel room I couldn't request a photo.
Bangkok day 2.
I had planned on avoiding WeChat due to all of the lady boys. But, after looking at what was available, I could not resist. I spent most of the morning contacting freelancers via the nearby feature of Wechat. It was mostly obvious who was a working girl. Anyone with too much makeup I assumed was a lady-boy.
Girl 1 'want to'.
Old, dark skinned lady with tummy bulge. In good shape other than the gut. Looked better in person than her pictures. Gave a fantastic massage. I admit, I wasn't sure she was FS since I neglected to ask. However, she didn't ask me, she just went right for it after the flip. She was very enthusiast. DFK, Various styles of CG and Mish. Damage was 1000 plus tip of 500.
Girl 2 '.
I got hammered at the craft bar drinking over priced American beer. I guess I picked up a very fat college girl. She was nice I guess, but my beer goggles had beer goggles. She said she hadn't been laid in 4 weeks. DFK, DATY, BBFS. Damage was 200 for a taxi after. And maybe some drinks before, but I don't really know. She said she worked in a hotel or something and went to school part time.
I don't know what her name was.
Girl 3 - 'whisky'.
I apparently asked whiskey to come to my hotel at 7. Which gave me about 2 hours of recovery time. No where near enough. Tall girl, in good shape but a little bit of baby damage. Nice rack and ass. Big Nipples. Spoke almost no English. I did not realize that Wechat had translated everything, leading to some confusion when we started talking in person.
She was a trooper. 3 Women in about 8 hours for me. It took me forever to finish, but she would not give up. DFK, BBBJ, CFS.
Damage was 1500, plus tip of 500.
I have 5 more free lancer contacts from this morning; pretty sure 3 of them are not lady boys; rather suspicious about the other 2.
I feel like I fell down a staircase. I'm done for tonight.
[QUOTE=Allover;2199436]Paid a visit to Nana and Soi Cowboy a few nights ago for the first time in a year. I have to say Nana has better looking girls than it has had in the past 2-3 years. My favorite bar for good looking women was Twisters. Soi Cowboy was especially slow since customers seemed to be home watching the World Cup. Entered Bacarra without being asked to buy a drink. The first floor girls weren't too interested in me. The 2nd floor girls were more receptive and topless. Selection overall was good at Baccara but I've never been too crazy about that place. Bought one girl a drink but I realized the chemistry wasn't there during my interview process.
I wound up barfining #32 from Angelwitch at Nana who I thought looked stunning. Beautiful face and figure but small breasts for you breast lovers. I thought she was the best looking girl at Nana that night. She was very compliant with my wishes but she used a condom for the BJ portion if the evening. BF was B700 and she was paid B2500. I don't mind using a condom for BJ with someone that looks that good. I wonder if anybody knows her or agrees with me that she is gorgeous. Unfortunately I left my phone in the hotel room I couldn't request a photo.[/QUOTE]I just got back from an evening of roaming around the Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy areas. I agree with you about better looking girls showing up in Nana Plaza lately. I happened to be heading for AngelWitch and bought a lady drink for #46, who I felt was the best looking girl in the place tonight (Saturday). She spied me as I walked in and could not stop craning around this way and that way as the line up moved around the stage to get my attention and smile. I accepted her approach to sit with me during her dance break and bought her a Lady Drink. But the chemistry she worked so hard to establish from the stage did not intensify while she sat next to me so I politely declined to barfine her when she brought up the subject and told her maybe next time.
IMO, there were only 2-3 other doable girls in the place this night and none of them were #32. In fact, I am quite sure I did not see a #32 during the time I was there, from about 9:10 PM until 11 PM. Either she didn't work tonight or maybe she had been barfined out just before I arrived and hadn't returned by the time I left. Would like to have seen someone who has gotten at least one strong vote for "best looking girl in Nana", although if she is going to require a condom even for mere oral foreplay there is no chance I will ever bother buying her a second LD after discovering such a thing in discussion during the first one, much less pay her barfine. Wish I could perform, finish or even feel something remotely like actual sex while wearing those thingies. But that just isn't going to happen.
As an aside related to a previous topic, I sat for at least 75 minutes starting at about 9:10 PM when I entered AngelWitch with one lone club soda in front of me while I scanned the line up, bought that one girl a LD and watched the specialty show that started at 10 PM. No servers hassled me about buying another drink even after more than an hour. Actually, I had to call over a server and ask for another drink at least 75 minutes in because I was genuinely thirsty, not because I felt it was time to buy another one for any other reason. Meanwhile, right up until the moment I left the place, virtually every girl who looked my way smiled and indicated with rather demonstrative gestures and body language that she wanted me to call her over for an LD and a pre-barfine chat.
The non-barfineable scammer Coyotes were in full force on Soi Cowboy tonight. And that is another thing the Nana Plaza area has over Soi Cowboy, in my opinion. Maybe lately more than ever. There was not one attractive girl standing and waving me and other punters into the clubs and bars who was not wearing pantyhose and/or, as Syzygies has mentioned, wearing double bras/upper clothing, in my observation dead giveaways that they are non-barfineable scammer Coyotes. I had amusing and brief exchanges with at least a dozen of them who hooked my arm or grabbed my hand and tugged as I walked up Soi Cowboy around 11:15 PM, politely busting them with a smile by mentioning that I can see they are Coyotes and, therefore, never going to go with me tonight anyway so why should I go into their bar to buy drinks. To a girl, every one of them giggled and admitted that, yes, that's the scam alright.
I did not see even one African freelancer strolling along Sukhumvit Road or Soi 4 tonight. And I don't think I have seen more than 1-2 in those areas over the past few weeks. And those 1-2 were definitely not among the better looking ones I had seen previously. Maybe they have a favorite place to congregate that I have not gone to lately. Or they have been more or less banished from the scene for now.
I was really just checking out the scene tonight, getting a little evening walking exercise in and not really shopping for a lady. Although I might have gone for it if the chemistry with my AngelWitch LD girl had called for it. I had already been drained of anything these 65 year old balls had to offer earlier in the evening by a dating site girl I'd met for the first time the night before. Cost me no more than 2-3 drinks at Levels disco on Soi 11 and a quick breakfast I put together for her this morning. She is a very attractive mid-30's sales manager at a wholesale home products distributor. Lovely lady. Fit. Great skin. A sweeter and more youthful face than her age suggested. One of the best BBBJs I've felt in a while. And I must say she had one of those perfect vaginas where you know the minute you sink in balls deep it is going to be a wonderful ride in any position before letting go within a minute or two of deciding it is time to do so. She was much older than I am used to these days. But when they are blessed with such a wonderful natural attribute and overall superior genetics it is still very much worth it I think.
Dear friends,
I need your suggestion and on your experience, I am visiting Thailand from 13th - 20th August for my bachelors party.
I am not able to decide, where to stay Bangkok or Pattaya, in which location Girls are good and friendly with full access to them (No restriction) with economical price?
Cost of living is good and good for fun with never forgeting nights spending with girls, drinks and party with erotic game experience.
Please share your experience and suggestion. If anyone interested during my trip, you are welcome to join we can share the new experience with new erotic experience as done never before.
Please help to provide sugegstions.
Best regards,
[QUOTE=Allover;2199436]Paid a visit to Nana and Soi Cowboy a few nights ago for the first time in a year. I have to say Nana has better looking girls than it has had in the past 2-3 years. My favorite bar for good looking women was Twisters. Soi Cowboy was especially slow since customers seemed to be home watching the World Cup. Entered Bacarra without being asked to buy a drink. The first floor girls weren't too interested in me. The 2nd floor girls were more receptive and topless. Selection overall was good at Baccara but I've never been too crazy about that place. Bought one girl a drink but I realized the chemistry wasn't there during my interview process.
I wound up barfining #32 from Angelwitch at Nana who I thought looked stunning. Beautiful face and figure but small breasts for you breast lovers. I thought she was the best looking girl at Nana that night. She was very compliant with my wishes but she used a condom for the BJ portion if the evening. BF was B700 and she was paid B2500. I don't mind using a condom for BJ with someone that looks that good. I wonder if anybody knows her or agrees with me that she is gorgeous. Unfortunately I left my phone in the hotel room I couldn't request a photo.[/QUOTE]So it seems as you are "the go for looks" type and "hope for the best" in service, when it comes to selecting girls. I"m pretty much in the same boat as I try do along those same lines as well. While I lay dying on my death bed, I don't want to reminisce my entire life with images of average, below average, or ugly girls that I have had sex with. That's horrible. I want my memories to be filled with all the pretty and beautiful girls that God has let me occupy my time with when I was alive. That's just me. I guess some folks have a different connection. However, after reading your post, and saying that #32 from Angel Witch is the "top looking girl in Nana" is a pretty bold statement. That means you went through all the clubs and bars on all 3 levels OR have a huge amount of experience with the hundreds of girls that work Nana. I've barfined at least 100 or so girls from all the Go Go bars in Nana over the past few years. I still don't know who the top looking girl is. Some look better than others definitely, but saying that she is the "best" or "top" AND then to follow that with "but she has small breasts," makes little sense to me. Being the best means she has the entire package that is "consensus" to what makes a girl a stunner. Small breasts or flat chested, just doesn't fit that category for most men. Plus the fact that she works a Go Go bar and there is an opportunity to see her near naked should make anyone a better judge on what the "best of the best" really means. So a pretty face, to me, doesn't equal top girl because of make up and contacts. Asian girls that have more of a pretty natural look that requires little to no make up are to me the safest choice. Look deeper when evaluating girls. Unless, guys are Asian, most might have a hard time understanding this. Just take a look at the photo attached. Make up is one of man's worse enemy. Guys often make a lifetime commitment to marriage based the girl's make up on the first date. Crazy.
I try to go go for cute with the best overall package including body, hair, tits, ass and legs. Take for example, last night I took this girl from Billboard that I was eyeing a few nights before. Back then I was sitting near the carousel, on the upper decks seats, close to the bathroom. The girl I was eyeing was dancing topless all the way across the club in the soapy tub. From my vantage point the other night, she look decent and had some very nice perky boobs that stood out. They weren't huge, but they were natural and perky and fit well on her slim body. Her boobs are accented by this large tribal flower tattoo she has on her chest that help silhouette their shape. So I made it point to get a closer look and last night was the night. When I walked in, I immediately took a seat in front of her and the tub. Her number is #827 and she is 21 years old, by the way, and her name is Nam. She took a quick glance at me and looked away and turned sideways to look at some other customers. Girls do that to me all the time, so I don't really care. I'm all about the game and the chase. Sitting that close to the tub felt weird, I don't usually get that up close to the girls. I had another girl smile at me, cute face, but her legs look bigger than I like, so I ignored her. I sat there sipping on tonic water for about 10 minutes, then I told the fat mamasan that I yelled at the other night to call #827 down. When she looked to see who it was her eyes lit up and she smiled a lot. She told the mamasan in Thai "are you sure he wants me?" I nodded and pointed at her.
By the way, it's 2 drinks to get them out of dancing at Billboard or else you have to wait until they switch. But if another customer gets them the two drinks, you are out of luck. While she was putting her bikini top on, a couple of the other girls started chatting her up and they kept looking at me. I'm used to this chatter about me. And I know how this conversation often goes. Sitting next to me of course there was the standard, what's your name, where you from, and how long holiday? Then Nam proceeded to touch the tattoos on my arms and tells me she's likes my style. She told me she saw me the other night. I knew it! I always have this feeling that the girls at all the Go Go bars pay attention to me as soon as I walk in. I was sitting way across the club from the tub, yet she still saw me the other night. I asked her why she turned away from me when I sat down? She said because I didn't smile and she was shy. I told her I don't like to smile. When I first started coming to the Go Go bars in 2012, I smiled plenty. All it did was bring flocks and flocks of girls to my table when they came off stage to ask for drinks. Every girl thought I was smiling at them, but I was just happy. My smile has that effect on people. Now I control my smiles and do it only when necessary. It's truly a deadly weapon when playing with these girls. So we sat there for about 5 minutes talking, when wait staff came by and asked me if I wanted to buy her another drink. I then saw that her shot and her tall orange juice was all finished. I begin to wonder if she was just a coyote trying hustle me for drinks. So I made my move. I just asked her, are you a coyote? You drank everything so fast. She look a bit scared then. She asked me why I think that? I told her, come on, look at me, do I even look like a new customer, first time to Thailand? She told wait staff that she wasn't going to order anymore and she will just sit here. She made a face l that looked like a child just being scolded.
I then got straight to the point. I told her that by now, I know she has talked to her friends on stage before she came and sat with me. They probably told her that they have seen me before and that I was very picky and don't let girls sit with me. So 99% don't even try or ask for fear of rejection. I told her straight up that I AM very picky, but I like her tits. I don't call a girl down unless she is pretty and I want to barfine her. I'm not here to play drinking games with you, the wait staff, or the mamasan. I'm here to grab a hot girl that I can get inside of. Then, I politely asked her "is she willing to fuck me or not tonight?" She just looked at me kind of scared that I was that bold. But I can see her mind working. I knew what Nam was thinking already. Of all the customers in the club tonight, will I be the best choice? Would she rather fuck me or any other customer? Wait staff was standing right there, and she asked them if I already had another lady at Billboard. I understood her Thai and told her, the last time I barfined was 2 months ago, and the girl doesn't work here anymore. The waitress confirmed the story as well. Nam smiled and finally said "yes and that she can go with me". She did not ask long or short. I looked at her, and did the double O's with both my hands to which she laughed and stuck her fingers inside of. The rest of the girls dancing in the tub giggled and stuck their fingers in my hands as well. It's the whole you fuck me, but I'll try to fuck you out your life gesture, that the girls make with one another when they get barfined. When I do this to them first, it means "I know what you are trying to do. Game on and let's play".
Now with that out of the way, I told her we can drink. I told the waitress to order her another drink and one for the waitress as well (my thanks for her lying about the previous other girl). That waitress knew the game with me and how to earn her tip. There are two other girls working that I have fucked, but they are on the other stage dancing in the carousel at that moment. The waitress knew my secrets. I keep telling folks, treat the waitstaff nicely and they will help you lots. I told her to stick the 700 barfine bill in my tab and then Nam went to change. When she come back dressed, we sat and I ordered her order 5 more drinks, to which she shared with some of the girls in the tub. We sat, drank and chatted for about another 30 minutes, then we headed off to my room. My bill was about 2000 for drinks, 700 barfine, and I tipped out the waitress another 100. By the way all I had was the one can of tonic. I'm not always a big drinker. Back in the room, Nam and I talked for about 30 minutes before she showered. She heard the same spill I gave to the immigration officer about my life and to what I was doing in Thailand. I did a post on this earlier. Very impressive to all the girls. It always makes them want to keep playing with me more. She was like you just travel and boom boom ladies around the world? I said no, I do a bit of charity work too. I'm same like "Taywada". It means angel in Thai. My favorite color is blue. You can call Michael. And the day I walk the Earth and find myself (I think you know. If not, your spirit does).
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2198244]Officer: (Looking at the bank statements and his eyes get big). I not worry you come to Thailand for working. I just want know why? You have girlfriend here? You have family here? You look same same Thai people with your many many tattoos.
Me: I think in another country, can make tattoos also. My skin is too white, not like most Thai people with tattoos. But no, I not Thai people. My last name is only 4 letters long, not 20 letters like Thai people. My passport tell you already I am from Hong Kong, but I live in no one country. I only travel, stay hotels, stay condos, and have fun. In Thailand, I don't know anybody but I have 2 baby chang (orphaned elephants) in Phetchaburi. My father and I give Thailand 50,000 baht every month for take care of these 2 chang. In Phuket, we gave 150,000 baht to Soi Dog take care of your dogs and to stop the Thai people from selling the dogs to Korea and China for eat. I just come back in June with my mom and she buy milk and food worth 20,000,000 and give to your temple to take care of kids with no momma and papa. (I then showed him my documents from these charity organizations, the receipts, and the photos).
Officer: Okay, okay. I don't want to see. What work your family do?
Me: My mother and father are not together, but they do not work. They not need to work. I think you know already. I not same another tourist and I not same another person. I think you want to ask me where our money come from. I tell you before already, you will not understand. And the more you talk to me, the more you will get confused. Already, I want to "speak in terms and diction that is probably incomprehensible to you".
Officer: (Looking really confused to what the heck I just said) I not understand what you say.
Me: I'll make this easy for us both. I come to Thailand to enjoy your food, your entertainment, and your beautiful women. I bring many many money from first world countries and give to Thailand and your people. My family and I take care of your animals, children, and your old. And this is not like giving somebody who is begging on Sukhumvit change or twenty baht. We have given more than you will make in your lifetime working this job. I am the perfect tourist for your country, so why are we sitting here having this conversation? Your job is stop people from coming to Thailand who try to work and those who do bad. Do we need to talk to someone who works above you to why you not letting me in? [/QUOTE]In bed, she was quite a performer. She enjoys DATY very much and came once that way. Her BBBJ skills were superb and she is of course a multiple cummer. She came a total of 3 times during our session including once in K9 position. She finished me off with another BBBJ with CIM. She then let the cum drool down her mouth and all over her tits. She wanted me to lick it off, but Monkeypaw declined her offer. Eww. Total paid was 3000 plus 100 for taxi home. She wanted to stay long time, but she quickly learned that my sleep is more precious to me than round 2. Another one off my checklist. If you read my previous report, I wrote that I saw #827, but couldn't see clearly.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2199061]Somebody else mentioned #84 along with the numbers above. I went to Billboard last night, #19 was not working but the rest of the girls listed above were 14,39, 804, and 84. Out of those, only one had any boobs to speak of, and that was #39. The rest were not to my liking at all. Monkeypaw is not into flat chested girls at all. About #39, she used to work at Shark Bar as a coyote and I have already fucked her when she worked at Shark. She has bigger than average natural perky boobs, a decent lay, and very pleasing, but I wouldn't grab her again because she looks as if she's been playing "ice" and lost a lot weight. She smiled at me and I pretended not to recognize her. None of the rest of the girls working were brave enough to approach me. I see them even smiling at these groups of Indian guys, but never me. They pretty much know that I don't fall for their hustles. Ha ha, got to love it when the girls can recognize a true blue player like me. There was a sexy one I liked on the bath tub side, but I couldn't see to clearly, maybe next time.[/QUOTE]This is how I hunt. I saw, I came, and I conquered, all on first try. No worries about rejection. I'll be honest, Nam didn't have the most beautiful face in the club, but hers was very cute and nice enough. Billboard is full of slender girls with no tits and no ass at all. For me, Nam had the best overall package when you look at her face, body, hair, skin, tits, ass, and spoken English. If you are going to a Go Go bar and you get to inspect the body and face ahead of time, why shouldn't you be leaving there with girl that has the entire package in terms of looks?
[QUOTE=NoDamage;2199442]Bangkok day 2.
I had planned on avoiding WeChat due to all of the lady boys. But, after looking at what was available, I could not resist. I spent most of the morning contacting freelancers via the nearby feature of Wechat. It was mostly obvious who was a working girl. Anyone with too much makeup I assumed was a lady-boy.
Girl 1 'want to'.
Old, dark skinned lady with tummy bulge. In good shape other than the gut. Looked better in person than her pictures. Gave a fantastic massage. I admit, I wasn't sure she was FS since I neglected to ask. However, she didn't ask me, she just went right for it after the flip. She was very enthusiast. DFK, Various styles of CG and Mish. Damage was 1000 plus tip of 500..[/QUOTE]Nice report, I will be arriving tomorrow afternoon, staying around Ekkamai. But I will visit the zones. I will be there till Saturday. I saw your post on travel announcement page. I can't buy PM service. Anyway I will keep posting from tomorrow. Lets see if we can catch up for a beer.
[QUOTE=CallBoy7565;2199633]Dear friends,
I need your suggestion and on your experience,...Please help to provide sugegstions. Best regards,[/QUOTE]No one single report, only questions. For years!
[QUOTE=CallBoy7565;2199633]Dear friends,
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I am not able to decide, where to stay Bangkok or Pattaya, in which location Girls are good and friendly with full access to them (No restriction) wuith economical price?
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Please help to provide sugegstions.
Best regards,[/QUOTE]Hey, I would dearly love to hear suggestions for such a location anywhere on the Planet, too, nevermind about limiting it to just Pattaya or Bangkok. In fact, I'm even willing to drop the "economical price" part from the equation. LOL.
In all my mongering years and travel I have not encountered one destination, or one single venue in any destination, where I could in all honesty assure another punter that he would only meet good, friendly girls with "full access to them, no restrictions." Does anyone else know of such a mongering paradise? Talking about attractive girls, of course.
Hell, it has taken me years to pull together a reasonable sized stable of good looking girls who provide me with "full access, no restrictions" on my terms and I am only interested in conventional sexual things like shaved or closely trimmed pussies, DATY, BBFS and BBBJ+CIM (preferably with a Swallow instead of Spit finish), not interested in ass play, anal or even threesomes!
I prefer Bangkok though some prefer the Pattaya for the water.
[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;2199690]No one single report, only questions. For years![/QUOTE].
As I get closer to the 90 day mark, it's time to request on the ground intelligence.
Anybody been at the Magic Table recently?
Are the freelancers still at Hua Lamphong and up at New Petchaburi?
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2199831]As I get closer to the 90 day mark, it's time to request on the ground intelligence.
Anybody been at the Magic Table recently?
[/QUOTE]I was last in Magic Table about a month ago, so not sure if that is recent enough to really inform much. Format and about 80% of the line up was the same as it has been for 2-3 years; small table dance style go-go bar with VIP rooms in the back for 1500 baht FS, 1000 baht BJ, not sure about HJ deal.
Same two girls hit hard on me for LDs every time I have gone there lately, both among the better looking ones there imo. One always says no to either of my only interests in paying money for, either a BBBJ+CIM or BBFS. The other only says yes to me for BBBJ+CIM but does not want to use the VIP room, only does barfine out to hotel or apartment along with a ST fee of, as I recall, 2000. I agreed once to see how great this BJ was for the extra cost and effort and to see if she might change her mind about BBFS once in my room. The BJ was not worth the extra time and effort at all, too rough and not very wet. And, no, she did not change her mind about BBFS once in the room and swept away by my charm. I have never repeated and never given in to her hard lobbying for another LD.
There is still the one youngest and hottest of the line up there who I am pretty sure has never looked at me for more than a split second and never responded to my smile. So I have never bothered to call her down to find out how many "no" replies she would have in store for me after an LD or two. Not yet anyway.
Of course, I am me and you are you. So the classic YMMV applies as always. Every girl in the place might say yes to you for anything and everything you could possibly desire. You know, "full access to them, no restrictions", as another poster suggested might be possible somewhere, somehow at sometime.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2199663]Billboard is full of slender girls with no tits and no ass at all. For me, Nam had the best overall package when you look at her face, body, hair, skin, tits, ass, and spoken English. If you are going to a Go Go bar and you get to inspect the body and face ahead of time, why shouldn't you be leaving there with girl that has the entire package in terms of looks?[/QUOTE]I tried that MonkeyPaw. I pulled a couple of real hotties from Rainbow 2 and Rainbow 4 a few weeks ago. They were not merely the hottest looking women I could find in their respective clubs, they were the hottest women I could find in Nana, period. White skin, drop dead beautiful, and the finest breasts and noses money could buy. They were model material. The experiences would have been mediocre -- no DFK, no offer of a BBBJ (which I'm not into that much anyway) -- except that I was shagging two truly fine looking pieces of ass for 3000 to 3500 Baht (not including bar fine). Maybe it was bad luck that week, as like you I haven't in general noticed that the hottest women necessarily suck in the sack.
If I had been around Bangkok a little longer I would have spent more time in Billboard. The women were having a lot of fun, quite a contrast with the Rainbow bars. And the Bill Board go go girls were the hottest of any of the places that had significant numbers of non-Asian customers. Unlike you, I did see some truly fine breasts there.
Bangkok day 3 & 4. Aka I'm a dumb ass.
Woke up late, showered & ate. Got a text from Whiskey asking if she could come over. Well, why not I figured. She was even better the second time. DFK, BBBJ, DATY, BBFS. She's a squirter and made a mess. She took me out to lunch after and showed me that I'm a lightweight and she's an alcoholic. We parted at about 3 pm. She said she was busy tonight and could not meet for drinks. Suggested that f I want company, I Should check out Soi cowboy. Damage was 2000 and about 750 for some happy hour drinks & food.
Stumbled back to my hotel and took a nap. And by Nap, I mean I woke up at 8:30 pm. Took a shower, and got a ping on Wechat from a woman I had talked to yesterday. She asked If I was busy and could come over. I was a little worn out still, but said sure, why not. Well, I thought this woman was a Thai freelancer, but it turns out she is a white skinned Cambodian tourist looking for some action and some money. Speaks English with an Australian accent, which I find to be pretty damn sexy. Tiny little woman, 5 feet tall maybe 100 pounds at most. 25 years old, perky boobs, round ass. 1 Tattoo on her back.
However. She was very shy and nervous. It was totally different from Whiskey. DATY, BBBJ, CFS in k9, mish, side saddle, prone bone, etc, etc. But no kissing and no touching the nipples. I took forever to finish, and she seem to think there was something wrong with her and got upset. Argh. Damage was 3000.
Neither one of us had seen Soi cowboy yet, so we walked over, went up and down the length, and then stopped at one of the bars. Not a gogo. For a drink. She asked if she could just spend the night at my place instead of taking a taxi back to nana where her hotel is. I figured LT was OK, despite the lack of sexual chemistry.
Anyway, long story short, I appear to have accidentally gotten myself an LT girl for the rest of my trip. She's checking out of her hotel and moving her stuff to my place. Totally not what I came here for. It must be the damn accent, I can't say no!
She left with my favorite sweatshirt. I'm kinda hoping she changes her mind and ghosts me at this point, but I really want my damn sweatshirt back.
I didn't pay her for LT either, damage was still the original 3000.
Whiskey was going to come over this morning (day 4) but I had to tell her I was meeting friends for lunch. Argh.
As I was typing this, the sweatshirt taker texted me that she is checking out and getting lunch and will be over later. The best news is, I guess I will get my sweatshirt back. I guess I am doing regular BF / GF shit for the next 4 days unless I figure out what happened to my balls and tell her to get the fuck out.
I saw a while ago a review of a new service that was popping up in BKK: get a two lady massage where there's a hole for your member in the table. About half way through the massage one of the girls will pop under the table and give you a nice sucking while the other lady continues the massage.
Sounds like just my thing but the review didn't name the place offering the service.
Anyone know of anywhere?
Happy mongering.
[QUOTE=Rugan;2199946]I saw a while ago a review of a new service that was popping up in BKK: get a two lady massage where there's a hole for your member in the table. About half way through the massage one of the girls will pop under the table and give you a nice sucking while the other lady continues the massage.
Sounds like just my thing but the review didn't name the place offering the service.
Anyone know of anywhere?
[/QUOTE]Maybe this one? [URL]https://www.bangkokmilkingtable.com/services[/URL].
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2199885]I tried that MonkeyPaw. I pulled a couple of real hotties from Rainbow 2 and Rainbow 4 a few weeks ago. They were not merely the hottest looking women I could find in their respective clubs, they were the hottest women I could find in Nana, period. White skin, drop dead beautiful, and the finest breasts and noses money could buy. They were model material. The experiences would have been mediocre -- no DFK, no offer of a BBBJ (which I'm not into that much anyway) -- except that I was shagging two truly fine looking pieces of ass for 3000 to 3500 Baht (not including bar fine). Maybe it was bad luck that week, as like you I haven't in general noticed that the hottest women necessarily suck in the sack.
If I had been around Bangkok a little longer I would have spent more time in Billboard. The women were having a lot of fun, quite a contrast with the Rainbow bars. And the Bill Board go go girls were the hottest of any of the places that had significant numbers of non-Asian customers. Unlike you, I did see some truly fine breasts there.[/QUOTE]That's Thailand for you; the better looking the gal, the less she will do. Thailand is still very conservative when it comes to sex. A gal that is truly open with her sexuality is still considered a "bad girl. " And it has become even more so over the last 4 years. Prior to '14 it seemed that those mores had changed a bit over the previous 10 decade; gals were wearing more provocative clothing and being more outward with their sexuality. That's gone in reverse the last 4 years.
It is amazing how little some of the working gals really know about their own bodies or male bodies; and that is how they make their living. I remember once probably 15 plus years ago trying to get kinky with a good looking GoGo gal who had been in the biz for well over a year. She replied, "I'm not a dirty girl. " For us this is comical as she'd probably had many meters of penis in her, but to them it is just a "job. " And remember, Asians compartmentalize in ways that Western people don't. And of course another aspect, is the punters of today are way less demanding when it comes to performance. The vast majority of the clientele is Asian. As Monkey Paw and others have eluded to, they are far more focused on looks, and performance, especially when it comes to the gal's sexual aggression and her skill set takes a far backseat to looks. Not that they want a starfish; but even a light PSE is not really required. And of course the better looking gals know this, know they don't have to perform as much, and so target that customer.
Landed BKK at 1:30 pm to the VOA, took just 2 minutes as it was empty then 1 more min at immigration. This was the fastest for me so far as it was Monday and middle of the day I guess. Took Airport link to city centre then BTS, Check in at hotel kept stuff and left for my scheduled meeting at Nonthaburi. Nalin spa you can search in google, it's at Bangkrasor bts station. Khun Nalin is the owner and the teacher of Jab krasai or (ball) massage. She is over 50 but in decent appearance and shape. Her skills are as good or better than Khun Rin. This therapy definitely is scientific and has a proper work flow, she will help you release at the end. It's hard to explain though the exact feelings. If you are adventurous and want to try something new, willing to travel a bit far and spend 2. 2 k for 2 hours, I can recommend.
Finished around 8 pm and it started raining heavily, back to Asoke travel time would be 1 HR 10 minutes by bts and MRT. Headed to nana but couldn't got out of bts due to Rain, went to The Game bar just under the bts station had a Guinness and watch people playing pool. Some girls mostly Middle Aged and not my taste. One waitress young chinese "Muay" type she had a very cite smile. Left in 30 minutes, couldn't decide what to do next and took the MRT from Asoke again, got down Petchburi and planing to go to Nancy. Still raining heavily, failed to get 1 taxi after trying 5 taxis and around 20 minutes I gave up. Took the MRT back yo Asoke, walked to Som's place. 8-9 girls sitting outside. One chubby girl took me inside and handed me one beer, I thought she might be the manager. I asked can you call the girls for me to choose. She is like " can I serve you please" with a cute look. Who am I to say no, up we went and the usual staff. She followed all instruction I gave and did a decent job, compared to all my last visits. Her name is Ning. Done in 20 minutes headed to bts got down ekkamai, pak soi popular sea food restaurant eat something and now back to hotel typing all these. More report will follow as and when I get opportunity. Posting through phone so please ignore any typo.
Hit some gogo bars in Nana and Patpong last week.
Rainbow 5 - not too many girls and not too many really nice ones. Again, the one I really wanted was hauled off stage quickly to be barfined.
Lollipop. My short haired bleached blonde girl wasn't there but a couple of the petite girls were ok. Too many ladyboys on this night. At least they throw most of the ladyboys on stage at once so if you find an actual girl good enough to buy a lady drink for you don't have to pay attention to the ladyboys there.
Bangkok Bunnies. The absolute worst gogo bar I have ever visited in my life. What a horror show of dancers. I felt bad and paid for drinks for the guys I dragged in there. Sorry I can't give them 15 minutes of their lives back.
Twisters. Likely the best of the Nana gogo bars I visited on this night. A couple of decent girls but we hit Twisters early and didn't want to commit to anything. The one I really wanted was already sitting with a Japanese guy and he eventually barfined her around 8:30 pm. She kept flirting with me even though this guy intended on barfining her. Sure he wasn't going to get a good session as she clearly was only into his money rather than him.
King's Castle 1 Patpong. Back to the original location and the renovations suck! All girls face the doorway so unless you like asses everyone in the back half of the bar will not see any faces. There is also a huge pole in the middle of the stage blocking a large percentage of girls you can see. They really need to move back to the temporary location they had. Very quiet in the number of girls. Maybe only 60? My friend bought a drink for a girl only to find out she didn't barfine. She was not a coyote rather a regular gogo girl. I spotted a girl but my friend wanted to leave. She had a sad puppy dog face and then smiled as I left. I couldn't have been gone for more than 10 minutes and when I came back she was sitting with a Japanese guy who eventually barfined her. My friend said I should just grab her from him. I told my friend that is a douche move and I don't play like that. Too bad I wasn't more of a douche she was the best girl of the night by a mile.
Badabing. In and out. Not good at all.
Black Pagoda - 3 girls? WTF!
Nana freelancer. My friend wanted to go back to Nana around 1 am. I wanted to go to Thermae or just rest for an early flight the next morning. The taxi dropped us right in front of the hotel sign with all the freelancers. I took one step out of the taxi and a very cute FL. I spent about 10 minutes hugging her and she wouldn't let me go even after I said no. I was so dead tired and famished that my mind wasn't even thinking straight enough to ask her for her Line. She wanted 1500 I assume for ST. Looking back a huge mistake on my part. She was thin, petite, about 22, small boobs, and wore a blue dress. Her name may have been May?
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2199960]Maybe this one? [URL]https://www.bangkokmilkingtable.com/services[/URL].[/QUOTE]Had bad experience with that one, horrible service, sounds all good over phone / email, walked in wanted to smoke on balcony, next wanted to get in shower with them, OK but no touching / kissing aloud. Completely downhill from their; throw both girls out / stay away!
Bangkok day 4.
Well, the sweatshirt taker got read the riot act by her sister for not coming home on time. So she gave me the 3000 back and a I bought her a plane ticket home. She lives in Phnom Penh. The ticket was for the morning of July 10, but this was on July 9th.
Spent the day doing standard date shit. The sex was a little better, but she was too shy and passive.
She kept my sweatshirt. Dammit. Lesson learned. Never bring your favorite clothes to Bangkok.
She texted me a little bit ago that she regrets leaving and that she should have stood up to her sister. Looks like I've dodged a bullet.
Bangkok day 5.
I put 'stole my favorite sweatshirt' on the earliest plane possible, so she was out of here before 5 am.
Was wide awake and got a message on WeChat from 'rita'. Older, dark skinned lady. Large, natural boobs. Hairy Bush. Some baby damage. BBBJ, some Russian, CFS, COB. Damage was 1100 and two condoms, since she forgot hers when she left her apartment.
My favorite girl 'Whiskey' came over about 12. She is always a good time. DFK, BBBJ, BBFS, CIP. Damage was 2000. Went to a bar afterwords with her and got very drunk. So drunk that I now have a raging hangover and have given up for the day.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2199663]So it seems as you are "the go for looks" type and "hope for the best" in service, when it comes to selecting girls. I"m pretty much in the same boat as I try do along those same lines as well. However, after reading your post, and saying that #32 from Angel Witch is the "top looking girl in Nana" is a pretty bold statement. That means you went through all the clubs and bars on all 3 levels OR have a huge amount of experience with the hundreds of girls that work Nana. I've barfined at least 100 or so girls from all the Go Go bars in Nana over the past few years. I still don't know who the top looking girl is. Some look better than others definitely, but saying that she is the "best" or "top" AND then to follow that with "but she has small breasts," makes little sense to me.[/QUOTE]Obviously I should have said she was the best looker IMHO of the girls I saw. I did go into quite a few bars though. Her breasts are nice just not big. Angelwitch is the only bar where I generously tip one particular mamasan (Monkeenomics) every visit. It has paid off for me. I get the choice of top girls there. Where you are overweight and in your late 60's the top girls are harder to come by. I often get treated like MonkeyPoo not MonkeyPaw when going after the best of the best.
I would gladly welcome others' opinions of her looks. Her number is definitely 32.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2199708]Hey, I would dearly love to hear suggestions for such a location anywhere on the Planet, too, nevermind about limiting it to just Pattaya or Bangkok. In fact, I'm even willing to drop the "economical price" part from the equation. LOL.[/QUOTE]It will happen, The same way human expectations were met when the "economical price" was dropped.
It requires a mongering friendly government that attracts Elite level developers. Its a big shame that a Beautiful woman "who needs to buy something" and an ambitious man with a fist full of dollars, can't make the transaction in the same way Uber works.
Started with a lousy breakfast and then took my friend to Yunomori spa for the Onsen, after finished went to Emporium for lunch. Straight to addict as I know my friends taste and no wasting time, around 2:30 pm we were there. Line up good, total 10 girls 2 were model with 4 K price 1.5 hrs and rest 2.5 k for 1.5 hrs. Most girls were attractive and my friend choose one (I can't remember number, neither he can remember her number or name), seems enhanced breasts. I left for Cherry as I wanted to try Venus (yes read on this forum, someone highly recommended), few days ago when I checked on their website it was a totally different t picture of Venus and from yesterday it changed. Anyway cutting short, I called before I arrive and booked Venus, once I arrived I understood what a mistake I did. She was no where near to that picture (it was a different person), it was not her younger times photo, just a different person. Now I am there and neither I can reject and go nor I can fee comfortable. Took her of 1 (HR) I always take 2 hrs at oily. She is not chubby, relatively slim to other women there, around 45 or over. Regular work flow and chit chat. I was pretending as much as I could that I am comfortable and happy. After some back massage she asked to flip and then started BBBJ and cap on and started in cowgirl, then without asking changed to her other hole. After finishing when my member was out This is when I saw something there and made this experience even worse. I immediately cleaned up and left. It was a terrible idea. Lessen learned, no more recommended girls to follow in this trip. It's totally subjective matter, in fact I feel like deceived this time. Overall not a good start. Went for some shopping then some seafood before returning to hotel some massage at Cozy under Nana BTS and end of day.
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Went for some shopping then some seafood before returning to hotel some massage at Cozy under Nana BTS and end of day.[/QUOTE]Anything to report about your Cozy Massage experience or was it just a straight massage for you?
I had seen some rare attractive ladies sitting outside Cozy every now and then and finally gave one a shot at actually providing a satisfying massage shop sexual experience for me (as she so strongly indicated she would) a couple of months ago.
Well, she didn't. It was the usual offer of HJ, covered FS or BBBJ that was too mechanical, too fast, too lacking in accommodating my simple requests and, from a brief discussion about it, would more than likely be converted into a HJ before the finish anyway that was typical of my massage shop experiences. So I aborted the sexual mission and just left it as a lame massage.
But I did not feel it was a rip-off shop. I think it would satisfy most customers who are ok with a HJ, covered FS and not too particular about the quality of skill or what a real BJ finish means. And if your timing is just right you might pass by when one of the rare good looking young ladies is sitting there and available.
[QUOTE=JoseNosay;2200420]It will happen, The same way human expectations were met when the "economical price" was dropped.
It requires a mongering friendly government that attracts Elite level developers. Its a big shame that a Beautiful woman "who needs to buy something" and an ambitious man with a fist full of dollars, can't make the transaction in the same way Uber works.[/QUOTE]I achieve the "friendly, good girls, full access to them, no restrictions" goal for me quite often in Bkk. And essentially acceptably "economical" too. I could now Line any among a good 20-30 girls this hour and have her show up at my room or find her waiting for me in a go-go bar today/ tonight. Or I could make an effort to add a new one to the stable with a very good chance of that happening today as well.
The caveat being my sexual desires are not that exotic or unconventional; DFK, shaved/well-groomed pussy, DATY, BBFS, BBBJ+CIM+(preferrably) Swallow finish. And that is acheived, for me, by putting some focused effort and negotiating skills to it on a case by case basis.
In my world at least there is no such thing as showing up at a destination or venue where I only need to point to the most appealing girl to my eyes and, bingo, I am on my way to enjoying "full access, no restrictions" with her. And it would be impossible to imagine I could send another punter to a destination, venue or even to a specific girl anywhere with an assurance she would deliver such a result for him by just pointing to her either.
[QUOTE=Allover;2200389]Obviously I should have said she was the best looker IMHO of the girls I saw. I did go into quite a few bars though. Her breasts are nice just not big. Angelwitch is the only bar where I generously tip one particular mamasan (Monkeenomics) every visit. It has paid off for me. I get the choice of top girls there. Where you are overweight and in your late 60's the top girls are harder to come by. I often get treated like MonkeyPoo not MonkeyPaw when going after the best of the best.
I would gladly welcome others' opinions of her looks. Her number is definitely 32.[/QUOTE]On my last night in Bangkok, which was Sunday, I decided to see for myself what the commotion was about surrounding #32 at Angel Witch. It was around 9:30 pm when I rolled in. This was the first time, I have been there in 3 and 1/2 years. After 2 rounds of line up changes, I still didn't see a #32. There were some girls who didn't have badges, but they were not attractive to me. You had mentioned she had a stunner type face, but to be honest, none of the girls I saw there were (IMHO) were worthy of #1 girl at Nana. So #32 may always be mystery and "your secret" to keep. There were 3 "dooable" girls for me that night #44, #46, and #14. Of the 3, #44 had the best overall package to me. She was slim with tattoos, very nice naturally big and perky tits, short hair, and a decent face, which reminded me of a Persian look. Sometimes, I go for that look instead of the Asian look when I get bored. There were about 12 other customers in the bar at that time, but the girls were trying to show off, waving, smiling and focusing on me every time, they rotated in front of me. This is how I can tell that they didn't know me or my reputation. I did like the sexy lingerie outfits they wore at this club. So for tonight, I decided to change up my identity. I became Monkeypaw, the first time sex tourist to Thailand. I pretended to be "naive" and a cherry boy just to see how far I can get. I spoke no Thai, acted as if I didn't know how to order drinks by looking at the menu. When #44, danced in front of me, I smiled back at her and went up there to tip her 20 baht in her G string (first time I have ever done that, but I was playing stupid). Waitress asked me if I wanted to buy her a drink? I shook my head yes and #44 quickly came down and the rest of her dancer friends were cheering her on as if I was some prize to be gotten. Her name sounded like Beam? And she was only 19 years old and she has braces. I told her I was here for 2 weeks (it was my last night) and this was my first time to Nana and Angel Witch. I told her that she was the best looking one at the club. She asked if I had been to the other bars in Nana, to which I denied. I told her this was my first club and since I saw her, there was no need to go to any other bars. We sat for about 30 minutes, and she ordered 2 cokes. I pretended I knew nothing about barfines and sex. Finally the fat mamasan came over to ask me. I looked surprised that this even allowed. I jumped at the opportunity immediately and paid the 700 baht, plus tip the mamasan an extra 100 baht. Normally, I'll be like fuck off unless you helped me. When the drink bill came, I paid and tipped out the waitress another 100 as well. No mention about how much for the girl was made. I kept playing as long as they kept playing. As we were walking to my hotel, I asked Beam how much and was it possible for me to keep her for 4 to 5 days to show me around Bangkok. She said it would cost 1000 per day to paid to the bar for her not to come in to work. She then grabbed my hand and kept putting her head on my shoulder as we walked. Honestly, I've mentioned previously. I don't like to hold hands with girls. I think it's silly. We are both adults, we aren't lost in the woods, and this is only a temporary relationship, not forever. But I was still playing the game at this point, so I intertwined our fingers all the way to my room. So long story short is that this 19 year old hot piece of ass with her sexy all natural body and perky tits gave me a non rushed full GFE experience on our FIRST and ONLY date. I would write more about it, but it is easier to just watch some porn to get an idea of what happened. Her skill set was extraordinary for a 19 year old. During our session she wore her dance lingerie but exposing her pussy and the views of her ass and tits were amazing. She did everything I wanted for the next hour and a half and allowed to cum on her tits to finish. Funny thing was after we were done, she didn't get dressed. I went to shower and she was just lounging around on my bed in lingerie. So I went to my wallet and handed her 3000 baht. She looked at me, and asked "how did I know how much?" I just smiled, and told her "I have a hard time sleeping with girls I just met. " She frowned, mumbled some curse words in Thai, and got dressed. I walked her down to Sukhumvit, but no more hand holding. The charade was over and it was time to release the lion in me. She asked "tomorrow were you go?" I looked at her and said "Pattaya" and kissed her on her cheek, before I left her standing there looking a bit furious. Ahh, Monkeypaw still has that magical touch.
P.S. But still props out to you for getting the girl you want when it comes to the Go Go bars. And at least you aren't settling by going after the average to below average girl. I would rather keep trying to get the best looking girls and let my own hustle or game try to dictate the type of service that they will give me, rather than settle for below par girls. Keep trying to play with prettier girls, and eventually, one will always bite because your own game will get better.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2200494]Anything to report about your Cozy Massage experience or was it just a straight massage for you?
I had seen some rare attractive ladies sitting outside Cozy every now and then and finally gave one a shot at actually providing a satisfying massage shop sexual experience for me (as she so strongly indicated she would) a couple of months ago.
Well, she didn't. It was the usual offer of HJ, covered FS or BBBJ that was too mechanical, too fast, too lacking in accommodating my simple requests and, from a brief discussion about it, would more than likely be converted into a HJ before the finish anyway that was typical of my massage shop experiences. So I aborted the sexual mission and just left it as a lame massage.
But I did not feel it was a rip-off shop. I think it would satisfy most customers who are ok with a HJ, covered FS and not too particular about the quality of skill or what a real BJ finish means. And if your timing is just right you might pass by when one of the rare good looking young ladies is sitting there and available.[/QUOTE]Yes I left out the details about Cozy because of my disappointment yesterday. This was my 4 or 5th visit. I have been to both their shops, one in Soi 7/1 or something (sub Soi from Soi 11). Every time the provider gave at least a HJ. The place is exactly as a genuine massage place, they accidentally stroke your butt chicks and sometimes to your balls and the member. Kind of arouse you without telling you or being obvious. I find few of the providers in shop 2 (under Nana BTs) to be decent looking. Massage skills are above average to good. I have never requested for BK or FS, but once I was offered, as I was not interested I didn't discuss the price. Someone said they got BBBJ for 500 someone paid even 1 K. Twice they gave me HJ without asking or negotiating me, once I paid 200 she kept it without complain and another time I gave 400 which she kept without complaining too. Once I arrived very late from airport 2:30 to 3 am. Took a taxi to Nana and found their shop under BtS to be closed so went to their shop 1 in sun soi of soi 11, only this shop was open at 3 am all others nearby closed. Few providers sitting outside I was trying to choose when one bit chubby girl get up and hold my hand and said let's go I choose you. We went up she gave me a good oil massage for 1. 5 hours which I enjoyed as I was tired. It needed in a slow and decent HJ no price discussion and after finishing I gave her 400. She shared me her number and said we can do lot more at her place next day as she had a day off. But next day I have arrangements already and had to leave. Her name is Ice. This time I will try visit their shop 1 again may be tomorrow or day after. Let me know if you need any more info.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2200501]The caveat being my sexual desires are not that exotic or unconventional; DFK, shaved/well-groomed pussy, DATY, BBFS, BBBJ+CIM+(preferrably) Swallow finish. And that is acheived, for me, by putting some focused effort and negotiating skills to it on a case by case basis.
In my world at least there is no such thing as showing up at a destination or venue where I only need to point to the most appealing girl to my eyes and, bingo, I am on my way to enjoying "full access, no restrictions" with her. And it would be impossible to imagine I could send another punter to a destination, venue or even to a specific girl anywhere with an assurance she would deliver such a result for him by just pointing to her either.[/QUOTE]Very few savvy men can achieve that. The general public should eventually be able to find what they want, in the same manner you book a room in Expedia or buy a brand of food in the Grocery. Legal issues keep the Elite developers out if this biz.
[QUOTE=PerezPerez;2200083]Landed BKK at 1:30 pm to the VOA, took just 2 minutes as it was empty then 1 more min at immigration. This was the fastest for me so far as it was Monday and middle of the day I guess. Took Airport link to city centre then BTS, Check in at hotel kept stuff and left for my scheduled meeting at Nonthaburi. Nalin spa you can search in google, it's at Bangkrasor bts station. Khun Nalin is the owner and the teacher of Jab krasai or (ball) massage. She is over 50 but in decent appearance and shape. Her skills are as good or better than Khun Rin. This therapy definitely is scientific and has a proper work flow, she will help you release at the end. It's hard to explain though the exact feelings. If you are adventurous and want to try something new, willing to travel a bit far and spend 2. 2 k for 2 hours, I can recommend.
Finished around 8 pm and it started raining heavily, back to Asoke travel time would be 1 HR 10 minutes by bts and MRT. Headed to nana but couldn't got out of bts due to Rain, went to The Game bar just under the bts station had a Guinness and watch people playing pool. Some girls mostly Middle Aged and not my taste. One waitress young chinese "Muay" type she had a very cite smile..[/QUOTE]Perezperez,C
an you provide little more details on this Nalin SPA not able find through google, will be in Bangkok next week so would like try it out.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2200501]I achieve the "friendly, good girls, full access to them, no restrictions" goal for me quite often in Bkk. And essentially acceptably "economical" too. I could now Line any among a good 20-30 girls this hour and have her show up at my room or find her waiting for me in a go-go bar today/ tonight. Or I could make an effort to add a new one to the stable with a very good chance of that happening today as well.[/QUOTE]You are an important financial friend to those girls, stop giving them money and they'll vanish into the mist.
Non mongering staff skip to second para if not interested: Started morning with some weight training, the grand Shukumvit near Nana BTS station have a decent gym with sauna, clean and enough equipment to train during a travel. They have assistants too, day pass of 300 Baht. This is the best value for money I found find in this area. Next went to Samut Songkram with a local friend for some sea food lunch and then visit some local tourist attractions. One of the best sea food I have tried so far till now. Back to BKK by 6:30 pm, at hotel shower and off we go.
Straight to Addict around 8:45 pm. Saw a line up or 18. Average and above average, good line up I should say. Helped my friend to choose one, it's was his preference and not mine. I choose the one who I found appealing, it's was Wan. She is 25 from Ayutthaya, she lives with her mother in Ramkamhang etc etc. She pushed me to speak Thai as she guessed I can. Finally I gave up pretending and she felt comfortable. We chatted while she did the usual stuff. She is cute, charming and good attitude, she did make me feel like I am her Thai BF. LOL. She have a nice natural A+ or be cup. And unshaven down there, a small and fresh unit. Decent BBBJ after first round gave me a decent back massage with all talent she had, I made her walk on my back, She complied. Second round started soon in all positions, this time I run a marathon of non stop 25 minutes in all position until I finished in doggy. I was dried out, thanked her, added her line. She seems interested to join me to some night clubs tomorrow or the day after. I am not so sure but who knows tomorrow, let's see. Over all a good day to balance yesterday's experience. BTW if anyone interested in models at assist, best time to go 1 pm till 7 pm after that they leave. Price 4 K for 1. 5 hrs. I saw a couple yesterday there when I accompanied my friend, May Be the service is same but one was stunning. Now I am at Demo club enjoying a beer with my friend and typing, next may be Mixx, let's see. Not yet end of day.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2200613]You are an important financial friend to those girls, stop giving them money and they'll vanish into the mist.[/QUOTE]Actually, I would say in terms of financial aid I am utterly interchangeable with any other paying customer to the 4-5 go-go girls and FLs among them; I pay no more than the going rate and often a bit less. Possibly notably less for what I get from them. And I am of practically no financial "importance" at all to the dating site, baristas and restaurant servers among them (non P4P girls with regular jobs); I pay the bin for our meals, transportation and entertainment during dates, of couse, but rarely hand them extra cash for their time or sex.
However, I am just as likely to be hit on for "emergency" rent, phone and electric bills from non P4P girls as anyone. LOL. But, oddly enough, that has not been happening lately nearly as much as it used to. I would give credit for that to my tendency to drop problem girls who start asking right away, keep the easy ones and continually shop for replacements and additions. That's why it takes a couple of years to get that number of good ones between 20-30. If you stop at the first 5 you really like, it is certain at least 3 in that first group will be grinders, constantly needing to be rescued with a 2000+ baht transfer here and there. Drop them and keep shopping.
I find myself partaking of the non P4P girls much more often these days. Not because of the lower cost (yes, good non P4P girls can indeed cost less than P4P girls as long as you are prepared to say no and dump the ones who start hitting you with tales of woe about one financial emergency after another before your second date). I see them more often because the sex is so much better. The best full and complete blowjobs I have gotten in the half dozen years I have lived here, superior to any I have gotten in a BJ Bar, are from 2 sweet-faced 21 and 23 year old girl-next-door types. I met one on a dating site and one waiting tables in a farang food restaurant. And I must say the wrap around feeling of the non P4P girls' pussies in my random sample non scientific survey over the past few years beats those of the P4P girls almost every time.
Managed to get a trip back to BKK on business. In the weeks running up to my arrival I started targeting some freebies on various dating sites. By the time I arrived I had 2 ladies lined up and a few potentials. It turned out to be a good trip, with a few boxes ticked.
First night. Arrived from Singapore Friday evening a checked in to hotel close to NANA by about 8 pm. Had arranged for my first freebie to get to the hotel about 9. 30. She arrived on time and I went down to the lobby to meet her. She was in her mid 40's, boddy 8 face 5. I wanted to meet her as she's your typical sex starved MILF. Never maried, hadn't had sex in about 20 years and lived with her mother. She had a very respectable, well paid job, easy to confirm on Google. Out to a bar for a few drinks and snacks. Mainly to let her relax and change her mind if needed. She was ok so after a few coctails to get her in the mood we headed back to the hotel. Showered, sat out side on the balcony for a while. She was gagging for it by then. She led me back in to the room and opend my dressing gown. I honeslty thought it was the first hard cock she as ever seen. She was facinated. On the bed for a nice BB deep throught BJ. She told me after that she had never done a BJ before so watched some porn to see how to do it. Down to business and spent the next couple of hours trying out different positions and anal, although she changed her mind on that option once I got it all the way in. Once she realised she could come quickly doing cowboy, it was difficault to get her to do any other position. Took her for breakfast in the morning then back up to the room for round two, bent her over the desk for some doggy but it wasnt long before she was on top again, riding me like I was her *****. Now there is usually a problem with freebies, getting rid of them. I had already told her I had a lunch meeting but she started suggesting she could stay in the room and wait for me. Eventually told her I would be busy and that I could call her tomorrow etc.
Saturday. After I got rid of MILF I took it easy for the rest of the day as I already had freebie 2 arranged for Sunday. I decided that the rest of Saturday would be recovery time. This lasted till about 9 pm. When returnng to my hotel after a bit of dinner, I had to pass a BJ bar. A rather nice young, short haired beauty asked me in for some action. I'd never been in one before so decied to give it a go. Usual routine and price but she had to work hard for me to finish so I gave her a bht200 tip and went off to bed. Looking forward to my meeting on Sunday with a nice western lady that was also living out her fantasies in BKK and wanted me and her to go out and find a working girl for a threesome.
I met jenny on line. A white 30-something spending time in Thailand working for a NGO somewhere up north. She was traveling to BKK to makesure her visiting friend got to the airport and on the plane back home. I suppose one of the reason she took me up on my offer of a night out and a nice hotel was becaue it meant she had somehere to put her head down before she caught the bus home early Monday morning. As we messaged on-line, she revealed her sexual history and it became obvious that she was using her time as a stranger in a foreign country to tick a few boxes of her own. She's very bisexual and we had decided to go to a GoGo and take a nice lady back to the hotel.
We met up at about 10 pm and had a few beers in one of the sois between NANA and Cowbay. We decied to hit NANA, I can't remeber which GoGo we ended up in but it was the one on the second or third floor in the back right-hand corner. The line up was ok and after a couple of beers Jenny decided on a nice early thirties cutie. She joined us for a lady drink and Jenny did all the talking. After about 10 minutes I asked Jenny if we were set to go. She said no, the dancer was nice and willing to go with us but had never done a FFM let along girl on girl before. Jenny didn't want to risk a star fish situation, she wanted full on girl on girl. We had wasted a lot of time and decided to hit a pick up bar as it would be quicker and easyier to vet any candidates. Off to Beer Garden. It was dead, only about 10 girls in there. I have been in BG a lot and the girls are constantly trying to catch your eye. This time they didn't even look at me, for obviouse reasons. I decided to go an talk to them a tell them exactly what we were looking for. Three ladies decided to join us. I bought us all a drink and jenny set to work selecting one. She chose I small bodies MILF. We drank up and walked back to the hotel. Once in the room we all got in the shower and then to the bed. I can't remeber the exact sequence but there was lots of oral between the 3 of us. One of my favourite memories was the two ladies lying either side of me taking it in turns to suck my cock. Jenny was fast and sloppy and the WG was slow and deep. Both proper porn movies styles. We tried many different positions, me / jenny dogy whilst jenny was DATY on the WG. WG cowboy whilst jenny sat on my face, and every thing in between. We carried on till about 5 am. We all fell asleep on the bed until approx 7 am when jenny had to go catch her bus and I had to get ready for a days work.
Monday evening. Again I decidied to have a night off. This time I did and caught up on much needed sleep
Full day working on the Tuesday then out to dinner with some colleagues and a customer. After, my colleague decided me and him needed a massage. I honeslty do not know where we ended up, it was his choice as he's a long time foreign resident of BKK. All I rememebr is that it was in Askoke and it was very big with lots of neon lights out front. We got there late and there was only 5-6 girls sat on the stage. We were given a price card each. On mine the prices were about bht 1000 higer than his. He asked the guy why and was told that westerners pay more because the girls have to work harder! I chose a nice looking late twenties with big fake tits. I can honestly say it was the worst P2 P of my life. She just was not intretered and at one point during doggy she tried the old trick of getting me to fuck her between her legs. I made her finish me of by hand and got out of there. I made a mental note of her number so you guys don't choose her if you ever ended up there but I have also forgot it a long with the name of the place.
Another full day in the office on Wednesday then free for the evening. Last night and had a filght in the morning so didn't fancy a nigt out on the town. There was still a couple of ladies I was talking to on line. One of them, Nig, was interested but wouldn't comit. She was mid-late thirties, pretty, divorced, dreary office job and worried life was passing her by. Just the sort of lady I like to meet. She finally decided to meet for a drink at my hotel, but she made it clear there would be no funny business. She came straight from work and we settled down on a sofa in the hotel bar. Her english was just enough for us to have idle chat. As the night moved on she moved closer until she was cuddled up to me with my arm around her. When I thought the time was right I asked her if she wanted to come up to my room. She looked up at me and nodded, in a way that was saying that she knew it was wrong but she wanted to do it anyway.
Quick shower then to bed. She was hot and we had a great time. She orgasmed very easily and reglurly, even in missionary. It was very passionate sex rather than the porn star sex I had had during my visit and a nice end to my trip, she stayed the night and left early the next morning, straight back to the office.
Usually when I leave BKK I'm already planning my next trip, I don't know when or even if I will return but this time I don't seem too worried. I think these six nights have cured my BKK adiction. For now at least.
Tom.
[QUOTE=Sandy27;2200609]Perezperez,C
an you provide little more details on this Nalin SPA not able find through google, will be in Bangkok next week so would like try it out.[/QUOTE]How come you couldn't find, use Google type Nalin spa, the first option. The website is in Thai and you need google translate if you can not read Thai and the staff there including Khun Nalin can't speak English so you need to speak basic Thai to communicate or there might be misunderstandings. Google maps will help you to locate the area, just need to do some research with patience.
[QUOTE=PerezPerez;2200630]Non mongering staff skip to second para if not interested: Started morning with some weight training, the grand Shukumvit near Nana BTS station have a decent gym with sauna, clean and enough equipment to train during a travel. They have assistants too, day pass of 300 Baht. This is the best value for money I found find in this area. Next went to Samut Songkram with a local friend for some sea food lunch and then visit some local tourist attractions. One of the best sea food I have tried so far till now. Back to BKK by 6:30 pm, at hotel shower and off we go.
Straight to Addict around 8:45 pm. Saw a line up or 18. Average and above average, good line up I should say. Helped my friend to choose one, it's was his preference and not mine. I choose the one who I found appealing, it's was Wan. She is 25 from Ayutthaya, she lives with her mother in Ramkamhang etc etc. She pushed me to speak Thai as she guessed I can. Finally I gave up pretending and she felt comfortable. We chatted while she did the usual stuff. She is cute, charming and good attitude, she did make me feel like I am her Thai BF. LOL. She have a nice natural A+ or be cup. And unshaven down there, a small and fresh unit. Decent BBBJ after first round gave me a decent back massage with all talent she had, I made her walk on my back, She complied. Second round started soon in all positions, this time I run a marathon of non stop 25 minutes in all position until I finished in doggy. I was dried out, thanked her, added her line. She seems interested to join me to some night clubs tomorrow or the day after. I am not so sure but who knows tomorrow, let's see. Over all a good day to balance yesterday's experience. BTW if anyone interested in models at assist, best time to go 1 pm till 7 pm after that they leave. Price 4 K for 1. 5 hrs. I saw a couple yesterday there when I accompanied my friend, May Be the service is same but one was stunning. Now I am at Demo club enjoying a beer with my friend and typing, next may be Mixx, let's see. Not yet end of day.[/QUOTE]After mongering done went to Demo night club, it's more of a local young people's place. Sound system is top quality, playing heavy bass and electronic, they have two saperately zones one for the electronic and another club house. Decent place and quality visitors. Next went to Mixx at Chit Lom, this place more of a touristy area with full of pro women and girls, some CIS ladies too. Sound quality and crowd quality is much inferior. Watched ENG vs Croatia saw a cute dancer bought her some drink and chatted for a while. Left at break and went to Nana thinking about cozy massage, by that time both of their shops were closed, walked towards BTS and entered The Game for rest of the match with some more beer. Shane is one of the owners of that place now and he is a nice gentlemen from America. I bought him a drink and while watching the rest of the game he bought me one too. He mentioned he and his partner own 2 gogo and invited me to visit. Hope sometime I will. End of the night and back to sleep.
[QUOTE=PerezPerez;2200775]How come you couldn't find, use Google type Nalin spa, the first option. The website is in Thai and you need google translate if you can not read Thai and the staff there including Khun Nalin can't speak English so you need to speak basic Thai to communicate or there might be misunderstandings. Google maps will help you to locate the area, just need to do some research with patience.[/QUOTE]Some people. Sigh.
Soi Tiwanon-Pak Kret 36 (Bond Street Mu Ban Mueang Thong Thani Rd.), Pak Kret, Nonthaburi.
Fourth day, woke up late around 11 am then took my friend to king power, central world etc shopping places. We were done by 6:30 pm, today's idea is to May my friend happy with his needs, as he is leaving tomorrow. Took him to a authentic massage place which he reported to be really good one near emporium. During that time I thought to utilize the time and took the decision to try Nuru massage which I had tried many years ago in bkk (can't remember where) which was a decent experience in my memories. After reading some reviews went to soi 33, dream heaven. Choose one from the lineup of 8, all below average looks. Lots of trouble with changing rooms and then no "warm water for shower" etc etc at this point I already got angry but controlled. The massage was lousy or just terrible. After 15 minutes rubbing back and front with gen by her hands and body it's done, flip with a lousy BJ then fuck in few positions and the "finish sir" shower and get the hell out. This is no massage in anyway. 2300 Baht for 90 minutes out of which 40 minutes wasted and I left 10 minutes early. Save your money and time go somewhere else. I will never return and not think about nuru for long time. Went to meet my friend somehow managed my mood, had some seafood dinner then took him to Soi cowboy, after walking around went in crazy house around 9 pm, it was full mostly East Asian customers. We went upstairs and saw this gem. Her name is Film, No 191. Just came a month ago and studying in BKK. She was all natural, charming cute and petite. Both me and my friend liked her, but I gave up her to my friend, paid the bills fines and charges arranged them to a nearby short time hotel and I went to Nana area for some authentic massage. Film added my line and asked me to contact her as I am here 2 more days. After two hours I met my friend and he was very happy. We went for some late night dinner then to insanity club and now back to hotel typing this report.
There were lots of police activity at Asoke intersection and also a big team entered Soi cowboy when I was exiting, I don't know the reason, also when we were returning around 3:30 am, near prom pong bts police had s big checkpoint and stopped over 10 taxis with all foreigners, we were on a grab Car and they didn't stop us. The grab driver told me it's for checking foreigners mainly for overstay and illegal activities.
Note: this trip is a mixed bag so far. I blame it on myself as all the bad experience I got are from my decision of following others review. 2 more days left, hope no more bad experiences. End of day.
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[QUOTE=PerezPerez;2200083]Landed BKK at 1:30 pm to the VOA, took just 2 minutes as it was empty then 1 more min at immigration. This was the fastest for me so far as it was Monday and middle of the day I guess. Took Airport link to city centre then BTS, Check in at hotel kept stuff and left for my scheduled meeting at Nonthaburi. Nalin spa you can search in google, it's at Bangkrasor bts station. Khun Nalin is the owner and the teacher of Jab krasai or (ball) massage. She is over 50 but in decent appearance and shape. Her skills are as good or better than Khun Rin. This therapy definitely is scientific and has a proper work flow, she will help you release at the end. It's hard to explain though the exact feelings. If you are adventurous and want to try something new, willing to travel a bit far and spend 2. 2 k for 2 hours, I can recommend.
Finished around 8 pm and it started raining heavily, back to Asoke travel time would be 1 HR 10 minutes by bts and MRT. Headed to nana but couldn't got out of bts due to Rain, went to The Game bar just under the bts station had a Guinness and watch people playing pool..[/QUOTE]Just finished a session with Khun Rin at Hanna massage, my usual 60 minutes testicle massage, I can confirm that Khun Nalin spa from above report of my day 1 was far more scientific, superior and focused with a technical workflow. For me it's absolutely worth 2. 2 k for 2 hrs vs 1 k for 1 her with Khun Rin. I can also confirm I felt some effect (could stay longer and harder) after the first day session at Nalin. My performance was better this visit also because I kept alcohol consumption in limit, lots of decent food, fruits, juices and very good massages. I will report on them later. I have also found 2 more contacts for Jab Karsai (ball massages) I won't be able to try them this time as I am leaving tonight, perhaps some of our more adventurous members might try and who know what gem we find out just like Khun Nalin. I will share details in later post, now I am sitting at the Robin Hood having an Irish beer and typing this. Cheers.
5th day was my best experience this trip and in many trips I can remember to Thailand and other SEA countries. I have to leave out some minute details, I know without them this report is not much help to this forum and other members. I must keep my commitment.
I was quiet disappointed fo 2 big fallout Of this trip and hoped for the best to this pre arranged meeting with someone, (some of senior members and expats here might know). I said bye to my friend who left around 1 pm for airport and I got free. Went to terminal 21 met her at 4 pm then Some coffee and chit chat, back to my hotel (I booked a good hotel at soi 39 called Aspira Parc 39), it's brand new place with high quality amenities, large room, big bath tub, large screen smart TV, a big balcony etc etc), for that price I can't expect more. Downside is it's 10-14 minutes walk inside soi from prom pong bts, or 20 Baht by motorcycle. Very good staff and customer service. Highly recommend. Back yo the actual matter, this place ticked all boxes I had planned and other arrangement I made to fulfill my fantasies. Made ourselves comfortable as I prepared the tub with warm water. Straight into it together enjoyed for 40 minutes as she started all movie like skills with legs arms tongue etc etc, I was in heaven, this was more than I expected. I hold onto it, back to bed after drying up, did all I could imagine in positions BBBJ, anal etc etc. She is around 39 and I am 36, I have decent stamina but due to some bad experiences this time I was not expecting much, but things changed in matter or hours. 1st round finished, lied down chatted, soon started playing with the toys I brought for her and the lingerie I bought for her. Uniform play done, toy play done. Fucked from back while standing on balcony done, BBBJ in bathtub done, and some many stuff done. , left for some Japanese food and then some really great foot massage (the way PO thai traditions medicine school Shukumvit campus) she introduced me. After done back to hotel, I thought now we will go to sleep but she had other plans, she was in good mood to use the uniforms and danced to some tunes for me. What a great night, at this point it felt too good and may be I was dreaming ha ha ha. She started again being in control, teaching me all skills I lack at, and praised me for my stamina after finishing the third time, making her cum all three times, oh this time she even squirt while I was on her ass. Total dry I went to sleep, as she had to leave 7 am I put and alarm and even before the alarm started I woke up to something I never thought, she was giving me one of the best wake up-BBBJ, did it again. 4 times in matter of 9-10 hours, never did it before. No talking about money, I put some cash in her bag and asked her to but something for herself. Called a grab for her and that's it. I think I will remember this experience a long time in my life until something really better happens. This is the first time I took photos with permission so sharing with you all.
[QUOTE=PerezPerez;2201408] I thought now we will go to sleep but she had other plans, she was in good mood to use the uniforms and danced to some tunes for me. What a great night, at this point it felt too good and may be I was dreaming ha ha ha. She started again being in control, teaching me all skills I lack at, and praised me for my stamina after finishing the third time, making her cum all three times, oh this time she even squirt while I was on her ass. Total dry I went to sleep, as she had to leave 7 am I put and alarm and even before the alarm started I woke up to something I never thought, she was giving me one of the best wake up-BBBJ, did it again. 4 times in matter of 9-10 hours, never did it before. No talking about money, I put some cash in her bag and asked her to but something for herself. Called a grab for her and that's it. I think I will remember this experience a long time in my life until something really better happens. This is the first time I took photos with permission so sharing with you all.[/QUOTE]Can't beat a girl with experience and know how. Some guys here refuse to take girls over 25 but I can never understand why. I would take a 39 YO in good condition any time (my Mrs is still hot at 39 for me). Getting a pretty young model at 18 who knows how to do nothing and reticent about everything I not a lot of fun. Okay Some girls already have a lot of experience at 20 or less. That is also okay.
Syzygies:
I'm in town. Check your inbox.
Canyon.
[QUOTE=Kirsia123;2188536]Hey fellow mongers.
I have been to BKK about 10 times to exercise our hobby but never to Manila.
I am considering a hobby trip of about 10 days. Milion dollar question: Manila or BKK?
Your feedback is much appreciated. Feel free to drop a PM or share your feedback with everyone in the Forum.
/ Kirsia![/QUOTE]I think Bangkok is much better. Manila is very spread out and it takes a long time to go from one area to the next because of traffic jams. BKK has traffic jams, too, but you can avoid them by taking BRS or MRT. Also, I think Bangkok women are more appealing. I also like the feel of Bangkok better than Manila.
I concur. More options as well. I have been going to the PI for around 4 years about twice a year to dive. Often flying in and out Manila. I have never dedicated time to Manila exclusively but due to diving and flying restrictions I often end up there for a night. It's fun, but it's not significantly cheaper then BKK and way less developed. In fact it's the only place in Asia I have ever had a problem with crime when a cheeky little 9 year old tried to pick my pocket. Piney girls are great and more GFE and generally less mercenary than thai P4 P girls so they may have a little upside there. But the traffic sucks, generally it's less clean, and there is very little to do daytime. Look for travel guides and tourist things to do in manilla and the list is really short, like amazon doesn't even have a travel book short.
10 days though gives you options. I would suggest hitting more than one place unless you are averse to additional travel. In thailand you have Bangkok, pattaya, and phuket for p4 p, other places but for your first time the main places are easier. In the PI you could hit Manila, Angeles, and perhaps something like sebang.
[QUOTE=Canyon;2202031]I think Bangkok is much better. Manila is very spread out and it takes a long time to go from one area to the next because of traffic jams. BKK has traffic jams, too, but you can avoid them by taking BRS or MRT. Also, I think Bangkok women are more appealing. I also like the feel of Bangkok better than Manila.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Canyon;2201879]Syzygies:
I'm in town. Check your inbox.
Canyon.[/QUOTE]Inbox is red, so I will see it, if sign on at all.
Left for me to do here and I am on my way. With the price of airfare now, it makes sense for me to show up in September. As usual, a 9 pm arrival if I go straight to the Big Mango. Ugggg.
For guys on the ground now.
All the cart bars gone on Suhk? How about the food carts?
Indeed, all the vendors gone by Siam? How about the food on Sukhamvit SOI 38?
Have all the Vans moved off of Victory Monument?
Anyone bang a non Nana street girl lately?
What's the hot Club for FLs right now?
[QUOTE=Kirsia123;2188536]Hey fellow mongers.
I have been to BKK about 10 times to exercise our hobby but never to Manila.
I am considering a hobby trip of about 10 days. Milion dollar question: Manila or BKK?
Your feedback is much appreciated. Feel free to drop a PM or share your feedback with everyone in the Forum.
/ Kirsia![/QUOTE]If you're only interested in (only) top shelf pussy than BKK as there are many more lookers there. The Manila scene is spread out and I'm only experienced w / Makati but in Makati is Burgos St and there are more than a dozen bars there that will keep you busy not to mention the street FLs.
The big differences for me is that in BKK I can have the killer beauty for 2 hours (clock starts when you leave the bar) and maybe the sex will be good. In Makati there are less stunners w / no clock and no rules and that's what I prefer. It's been said a million times, the women in the PI are just more warm hearted than their Thai cousins.
I find this to be very true. Still I like both places and I visit both places but if I had to choose between the two it would be the PI easy.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2196120]What you find with MP is that his status is more important than anything else. He gives the impression that he will bed the girls and they will pay him...[/QUOTE]The other night I was at Palace, I was approached by this model named Cat? She's only been working there a short time. She would often look at me, not in a smiling way, but to just stare. I would always noticed, but I see girls doing that all then time, so it doesn't bother me much. Anyways, she came over by herself and introduced herself. She's 22 and decent looking, slim, long black hair, long legs, cute face, with fake tits. I told her I was okay and that I was only here to hang out a bit before I ran off to Sapphire. She said it's okay. She just wanted to talk and I didn't have to buy her a drink. Within minutes, she asked me if she gave me money, could I barfine her? I told her why did she want me to do that? I didn't want to fuck her. It was way too early for that. She said that she wanted to talk outside with me and then go home. She wasn't feeling well and mamasan didn't allow her to barfine herself this night. I was like okay, no problem. She went to the locker room, came back, and discreetly slid me 2000 baht of her own money. I called the mamasan over to tell her I going to barfine her and paid her the 2000 baht fee for the model. She went to change clothes and then we left out together. We made a stop at King Cafe on Walking Street and sat there for about 45 minutes chatting over some drinks, baby clams in chili, and raw oysters. Weird because I felt that we were on a date or something, but it was one where she paid for most of it. The food and drink bill, which I took care of, came to only 500 baht. After we were done, I headed off to What's Up, Sapphire, and Sensations and she went home. Or that's what I thought. Around midnight, I went back to Palace to see if there was anyone worth taking. Holy cow, I saw her sitting there with some other models. She then just smiled at me and then came and sat next to me. This time I bought a drink to see why she came back after she paid 2000 baht of her own money to go home. She told me to just say that we went to boom boom even though we didn't. I was a bit confused at first, then it dawned on me to what really happened. Girls have often told me that many of the girls in the go go bars, especially, the top end girls, care about what I think of them. The new models at Palace are always approaching me, trying to get me to take them to fuck. It's like being barfined and fucked down by Monkeypaw, elevates their status in the club because I have a reputation of always picking the hotter girls. This also happens when I barfine a trophy girl from one club and parade her around from club to another club. All eyes are on her when she walks in. Everybody always wants to see who I got tonight and who I get next. This kind of makes me feel good that these girls care what I think about them. I'm always talking shit when they gain weight, have bad surgeries, or bad hair days. They hear me loud and clear when I do that kind of stuff because I'm always sitting with another girl when I talk smack. The model that gave me 2000 baht to barfine her just wanted the other girls to know that I chose her to go with me back to my room. So now she is part of that "elite" group of girls at Palace. She obviously didn't want to be one of those girls that I have seen for years and took no notice of, not even to say "Hi. " Oh well, the games these girls play even with their co-workers is astonishing. Last night, I ended grabbing her for real. Her performance was only so so. I had to beg for BBBJ which lasted only 2 minutes. During our session, the condom broke and she freaked out. I put on the second one and went back to work, but she kept checking every minute to see if it was intact. That ruined the whole mood and I couldn't finish. She has to end it with a HJ. And now she gets to go bask to Palace and brag that she is one of the few girls there I have repeated with. Boo! Bad girl!
LOL. It is amazing how their minds work so well on some things and totally blank on others. Never had that happen. Only had WGs buy me a drink in return after I tell them I am just chilling and they can come and go as they please, as if they need my permission.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2202620]And now she gets to go bask to Palace and brag that she is one of the few girls there I have repeated with. Boo! Bad girl![/QUOTE]
I was in Bangkok last week. Landed Suvarnabhumi at 7:30 pm and was in citadel soi 11 by 9. Regarding the citadel, the location is great as you have levels bang opposite to it. Insanity club on the right few meters away. The basic room costed 2400 baht for double occupancy. Only complain was the bathroom size as it is rather small and 2 people can hardly fit in the shower.
First night ventured to the Insanity at around 1 pm. It was packed wall to wall. Lot of 6's but nothing more. Few stunners but they were all taken by the high end tables with blue label bottles. A 5. 8" looked my type and we settled for 3000 Baht LT. I said I was in mood for threesome and she suggested her friend along with her and even convinced me that both make a perfect team. Deal 2000 Baht for each of them. Hand in hand we walked to the 7/11 round the corner. The ladies wanted ice-cream and I was more than happy to oblige. On the way back, one them said I am hungry and another pit stop at the roadside eatery.
Upon entering the lobby, the receptionist did not even blink an eyelid. (May be she is used to the nuances of Soi11). In the room paid them upfront and opened the bottle of beer. One of the had the perfect boobs I have seen in the entire mongering career. Had a amazing night till 4 pm and finally asked them to leave as I wanted to sleep.
Advice for newbies. The clubs are a great place to meet freelancers. Try threesome as chances of hitting jackpot is high. Pay well and see the change in attitude. Being Indian and paying 3000 Baht the lady said you are not like other Indian. They bargain more. But paying bit more ensures your chances of having a great night.
Guys,
Planning to be in Bangkok 28-31 July and someone tipped me off that 28th is the Kings birthday but as it is a Saturday the public holiday will be on Monday 30th. I am coming from out of town so can those in the know tell me the consequences. I heard all bars will be closed? Does that mean bars close at midnight on 29th also or just no bars on the night of 30th. On 30th do bars reopen at midnight or stay closed all night? Does that apply to all bars and clubs. Gogo bars and regular bars? If I meet some girl before that day will she be happy I arrange to meet her on 30th to fuck her or do they not like to get fucked on that day by naughty foreign guys?
Hi all,
Visiting Bkk soon and needed some mongering info, got some info as below, I know its a wrong forum I have posted the enquiry help in, but I just want simple straight info don't have time to do research in Bkk forum.
Need more info for day mongering if possible and any other joints better than the ones I have mentioned below.
- Grace hotel. For Thai freelancers, Uzbek / Russian freelancers, never been to the dance club in Grace Hotel though. Is it worth it?
- Sukhumvit Mcdonalds soi strip for Africans (most of them are bait and switch) and further down the street Thai freelancers too.
- NaNa Plaza. All floors mostly for Ladyboys.
- Near Hotel Rajah. Seen an Indian Dance bar kind of a joint there (never been and don't know if we can pick up there).
- Novotel Dance Club. For Russian freelancers, Thai freelancers (never been).
If any other good joints for mongering in Bkk and Pattaya will be helpful.
Thanks all.
[QUOTE=GogoGuyz;2203132]Guys,
Planning to be in Bangkok 28-31 July and someone tipped me off that 28th is the Kings birthday but as it is a Saturday the public holiday will be on Monday 30th. I am coming from out of town so can those in the know tell me the consequences. I heard all bars will be closed? Does that mean bars close at midnight on 29th also or just no bars on the night of 30th. On 30th do bars reopen at midnight or stay closed all night? Does that apply to all bars and clubs. Gogo bars and regular bars? If I meet some girl before that day will she be happy I arrange to meet her on 30th to fuck her or do they not like to get fucked on that day by naughty foreign guys?[/QUOTE]On H. M. King's Birthday, most government offices, banks and businesses will be closed. Many shops will remain open and there is no ban on the sale of alcohol.
Sourced information from internet.
Incidentally I am also there on the same dates and was worried for a second.
Arrived from phom phen stay at same hotel like 1. 5 years ago at sukhumvit 7/1 atlas hotel. Check in at hotel take a shower and go straight to blowjob bar (miss proper blowjobs). I choose wooden BJ bar because I never checked it before and it was 20 metres away from my hotel. Walk near bar look the girls sitting outside choose one with really cute face (not very often can find it at blowjob bars) I said Hi for her and lets go, we walk inside I pay cashier 1000 bath (have 2 diffrent type of girls here one is 700 and other 1000) seems I choose more expensive one. We go to the small room make some conversation: she is from nong khai name is bee 30 years old (but she look like 26 at least for me) she wash my dick at sink put towel on chair and told me sit down. She was good at what she was doing and after 10-12 minutes of sucking I cum into her mouth and she swallow it. I tip her 100 and ask how much here cost for boom boom short time? She told me one ladies 1700 bath other is 2000 bath.
Later I go check some nana plaza places like spankys have one san migel light for 170 bath and left to billboard its nice place have some really good looking girls, maybe 40 girls inside 10-15 its near jacuzzi and other is on carousel. Cola cost 150 san migel light 160 lady drink 170.
I don't ask how much barfine and girls want becasue I not interested to pay it.
I walk near nana hotel and was offering 1000 bath for short time for some girls couple accept it some of them want 1200 or 1500 for short time. Most older ladies standing opposite nana city hotel accept 1000. But I was just curious how much is going rate this time I don't want take them.
After I walk on sukhumvit road saw one cute black girl. I ask her where did she come from? She told me Kenya. I told her I been Kenya 3 times before and explain some things I know about kenyan tribes, she was quiet impressed about it. I ask how much she want for short time? She said me what you can offer? I said 1000 (I was sure she will not agree) for short time. She said no I go with you for 1500.
Later I go check beer garden was plan to have 1 beer and leave, but meet nice australian guy have good conversation with him and have 3 san migel light till 2 am beer garden closed. The ladies here are older between 30-50 year (not my cup of tea) I ask austalian guy how much most of girls asking here for short time? He told me 1500 but I have a feeling they go for 1000.
I comeback next to nana plaza hotel offer 2 good looking freelancer 1 k for short time one said 1200 other want 1500. Walk little bit futher and one girl said me I want go with you. She was cute looking. I said 1000 ok and she accept. (I don't plan to take any girl tonight anymore so I make excuse I don't have power anymore and collect her number.
Also interested in the scope of bar closures. Even the bars are closed, would Thermae be open but selling only drinks?
[QUOTE=GogoGuyz;2203132]Guys,
Planning to be in Bangkok 28-31 July and someone tipped me off that 28th is the Kings birthday but as it is a Saturday the public holiday will be on Monday 30th. I am coming from out of town so can those in the know tell me the consequences. I heard all bars will be closed? Does that mean bars close at midnight on 29th also or just no bars on the night of 30th. On 30th do bars reopen at midnight or stay closed all night? Does that apply to all bars and clubs. Gogo bars and regular bars? If I meet some girl before that day will she be happy I arrange to meet her on 30th to fuck her or do they not like to get fucked on that day by naughty foreign guys?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GogoGuyz;2203132]Guys,
Planning to be in Bangkok 28-31 July and someone tipped me off that 28th is the Kings birthday but as it is a Saturday the public holiday will be on Monday 30th. I am coming from out of town so can those in the know tell me the consequences. I heard all bars will be closed? Does that mean bars close at midnight on 29th also or just no bars on the night of 30th. On 30th do bars reopen at midnight or stay closed all night? Does that apply to all bars and clubs. Gogo bars and regular bars? If I meet some girl before that day will she be happy I arrange to meet her on 30th to fuck her or do they not like to get fucked on that day by naughty foreign guys?[/QUOTE]27th is Asanha Bucha (religious day), bars closed, probably from midnight to midnight (but not totally certain). 28th is Khao Phansa and bars maybe be closed, or may open at midnight. I would have backup plans, like MP girls or contact girls to visit you. New King's birthday holiday seems to be moved to 30th July. I don't know if will cause bar closures. No long history to go by.
May stuff me up too. I will be checking with Bar girl what her plans are for 27 July. Maybe I can get her and her friend for threesome. The visit to the actual bar Shark is quite unimportant when know the girls already. LOL.
[QUOTE=Humproy;2203262]Hi all,
I just want simple straight info don't have time to do research in Bkk forum.
[/QUOTE]That was your first post. Ambitious, I'll give you that.
Hi guys,
I posted a few days ago about what days bars are closing 27- 31st July due to the religious holidays etc. The replies are guesses and I am holding off booking my air ticket and might divert to another close by destination depending on the real situation. I know it is all guess work until the authorities tell the bars etc. I am interested in the Soi Cowboy situation. Can some kind soul who is in Soi Cowboy tonight ask at a few of the big gogo bars there and report back. Thanks.
A buddy and I sat across from where the girls check into security when entering Nana Plaza from about 7:30 PM to 9 PM last night, Saturday. We saw quite a few new faces and butts, many good-looking girls, entering the place and heading to their various go-go bars. I don't know where those lookers went but it apparently wasn't either AngelWitch or Spanky's. We stopped in those bars for a while and neither one had line-ups that I would consider above average. The girl with the best body in either bar, imo, #46 in AngelWitch, spotted me as I walked in, remembered me from a Lady Drink sit several days ago (Post #41917) and came over to say Hi and lobby for another sit. I obliged and, despite rubbing her lovely legs and butt, holding hands, her hand drifting to rest on my crotch and even a mild peck or two on the lips every now and then, I still could not work up any sense of chemistry with this girl. The physical contact did not inspire so much as a chubby for me as I sat with her.
I have learned over the years to pay attention to that lack of chubby-ness in my pecker, heed the warning and move on to another girl. Good looks and a great body isn't the magic combination for me it might have been in the past. There has to be something better happening, almost indefinable, when the girl sits next to me for me to choose her these days.
I noticed again that roughly half the girls in AngelWitch were not wearing number badges. I asked my girl why some of the other girls were not wearing badges. She didn't know. She seemed never to have noticed it before. After our LD together and she went on her way, I asked the very chatty and smiley mamasan sitting near me in the booth why so many of the girls in this bar don't have numbered badges. She also didn't know. She also seemed never to have noticed it before. LOL. Ok. Thailand. Maybe some day I will be inspired to buy a Lady Drink for one of those non badge girls and ask her directly why she isn't wearing a badge. I'm betting she won't know and won't seem to have noticed she isn't wearing one. I was not so inspired on this night.
Used to be girls not wearing numbered badges meant they were non-barfineable Coyotes. Then the bars realized many of us figured out this not so difficult to figure out tip off. So some of the bars went to putting numbered badges on all the girls. Then they moved to having non-barfineable Coyotes wearing pantyhose and double bra protection against being touched on their skin by icky customers they've scammed into buying LDs for them with no realistic chance of having sex with them now or ever. Speaking of numbered badges, there was still not a #32 badge on any AngelWitch girl last night from about 9:15 PM until 10 PM.
Moved on to Spanky's go-go bar. Again, the line up was no better than average and mostly less than average while we were there from 10 PM to 11:15 PM. Now, in this bar I don't think I saw one girl wearing a numbered badge. Maybe there is some new system of identification and barfine tracking being tried out lately, other than their chosen name that is. Which isn't helpful if half the girls are named Nam, Noi, Nong and Kai.
I decided to reply to the Line messages I'd been getting from a cute 21 year old dating site FL I'd been with twice before over the past month or so to please see her before she goes to her Province this morning to spend time with her parents. Don't know if she would pass muster with some of the Standards of Beauty Police here, but I can say without doubt she turns heads of farangs and Thai men when we walk around together. I mean, she's young, healthy, fit, nice shape, good skin, candy-apple butt and has a lovely sweet face. She treated me to a wonderful BBBJ+CIM+Swallow for her to remember me by on her bus ride to Kanchanaburi or wherever and I gave her the promised 1,500 baht and a big hug bye-bye at my apartment door.
[QUOTE=Humproy;2203262]
- Sukhumvit Mcdonalds soi strip for Africans[/QUOTE]Unfortunately the Ugandan girls are gone, the few left are too scared to come out.
Hi this my first report on this forum.
Arrive Bangkok 2.15 pm alone.
Check in my hotel and have a rest.
My hotel is Holiday inn on soi 31.
Is a good hotel and nice lunch and dinner buffet.
I was travel to Bangkok 2 or 3 time a year.
Each time will be around 1 week.
So most place in Bangkok I have visit already.
Afternoon will visit terminal 21 or some cafe.
My aim will be only wechat, BJ bar, Nana and Soi Cowboy.
Afternoon will stay at bed wechat find some FL.
Hit some girl quotes at price 2000 3 hour some even say overnight.
Normal bait and switch.
Request some more picture or video call just to be safe.
Rarely go for FL.
Maybe cause I'm paranoid for diseases or scam.
Won't worry for scam as receptionist will ask for ID.
Wechat just for my backup plan in case can't find stunner at night.
By night come.
Is time for me to hunt.
Thermae 8:30 pm get some line ID and survey around.
Leave on 10 pm to nana or cowboy gogobar.
Nana.
Billboard, Butterfly, Rainbow 5.
Cowboy.
Baccara, shark and crazy house.
Normally I sit at gogo bar reject any girl approach until 11 pm. Give me time to see and monitor potential girl.
If saw stunner might buy lady drink and lap dance until 11 pm.
Cause that the moment the girl are start to desperate to find customer.
Won't try to trick you and lost a potential customer.
After 11 and short time will automatic become long time if you want the girl to stay.
Cause most bar close at 1 am.
Cowboy price 3000 + 700 or 800 bar find+ drink and tip =4 xxx.
Most girl will agree for dinner and chill somewhere have a drink until 1 am.
I'm type of guy will demand everything before BF the girl.
BBBJ, CIM, DFK, GFE.
My last experience is with a girl at Baccara.
I have no issue to go in as I'm chinese.
Look a bit like japanese.
Wear smart, shirt and jean.
Look a bit handsome.
Young.
The girl a crazy for your attention.
Get the girl to dinner and some beer at another gogo bar. To show off to their friend.
That she got a handsome guy.
She got in good mood as I give her face in front her friend.
In return she give me best night.
BBBJ, CIM, DATY,69,Rim, finger, Even BBFS and creampie.
But I just cum outside just to be safe.
Done 3 round.
Fainted at bed until morning.
Wake me up with BJ and another round.
Breakfast at hotel and send her off tip 200 for taxi.
Asking for repeat.
But I hate repeat.
[QUOTE=GogoGuyz;2203857]Hi guys,
I posted a few days ago about what days bars are closing 27- 31st July due to the religious holidays etc. The replies are guesses and I am holding off booking my air ticket and might divert to another close by destination depending on the real situation.[/QUOTE] https://pattayasanook.com/thai-culture/thailand-holidays
I see that Big Joke hit Nana. Maybe he will clean it up a bit. The only Westerner busted was a German dude.
20 years ago it was a lot nicer. Less non Western riffraff.
Hi all mongers,
Visiting Bkk and Pattaya soon and needed some mongering info for day / night mongering and any other joints better than the ones I have mentioned below.
- Grace hotel. For Thai freelancers, Uzbek / Russian freelancers, never been to the dance club in Grace Hotel though. Is it worth it?
- Sukhumvit Mcdonalds soi strip for Africans (most of them are bait and switch) and further down the street Thai freelancers too.
- NaNa Plaza. All floors mostly for Ladyboys.
- Near Hotel Rajah. Seen an Indian Dance bar kind of a joint there (never been and don't know if we can pick up there).
- Novotel Dance Club. For Russian freelancers, Thai freelancers (never been).
Any info about Pattaya also would be very helpful.
Thanks all.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2204986]I see that Big Joke hit Nana. Maybe he will clean it up a bit. The only Westerner busted was a German dude.
20 years ago it was a lot nicer. Less non Western riffraff.[/QUOTE]No, Nana plaza wasn't 'hit'. They just held the press conference there. The people arrested were just arrested elsewhere in town.
Kenichii.
My hotel is Holiday inn on soi 31.
I have an upcoming trip and usually stay in Holiday Inn.
I checked all the addresses of Holiday Inn in Bangkok but did not see any address that listed Soi 31.
What was the "name" of the Holiday Inn?
Thanks for the reply.
[QUOTE=Firebird;2205345]Kenichii.
My hotel is Holiday inn on soi 31.
I have an upcoming trip and usually stay in Holiday Inn.
I checked all the addresses of Holiday Inn in Bangkok but did not see any address that listed Soi 31.
What was the "name" of the Holiday Inn?
Thanks for the reply.[/QUOTE]Holiday Inn is in Soi 22.
[QUOTE=Firebird;2205345]Kenichii.
My hotel is Holiday inn on soi 31.
I have an upcoming trip and usually stay in Holiday Inn.
I checked all the addresses of Holiday Inn in Bangkok but did not see any address that listed Soi 31.
What was the "name" of the Holiday Inn?
Thanks for the reply.[/QUOTE]Sorry the address should be.
22 Sukhumvit Rd, Khlong Tan Nuea, Watthana, Krung Thep Maha Nakhon,10110.
Near the dinosaur planet.
Near asok bts.
Walk around 10 minute.
Hey guys,
Coming up to BKK in about a month for about 5 nights with 2 other friends. Thanks to this forum, I pretty much have my nighttime itinerary planned out (Nana, Thermae, Soi).
I just had a quick question. I know a lot of the go-go bars are set up like a typical bar with loud music and pushy bartenders / girls, but is there something more fancy and upscale and less pushy, something a little more upscale? I've heard some of the massage parlors Huai Khwang are like this, but wanted to make sure.
My friends and are looking for something more relaxing and quiet compared to a go-go bar. We'd like to relax drink a few rounds with each other before taking in any activities with the girls.
Thanks!
For those that asked: at 3 bars tonight they said the next two days all will be closed.
Soi cowboy closed tonight already at midnight.
[QUOTE=DipUnit;2205532]Hey guys,
Coming up to BKK in about a month for about 5 nights with 2 other friends. Thanks to this forum, I pretty much have my nighttime itinerary planned out (Nana, Thermae, Soi).
I just had a quick question. I know a lot of the go-go bars are set up like a typical bar with loud music and pushy bartenders / girls, but is there something more fancy and upscale and less pushy, something a little more upscale? I've heard some of the massage parlors Huai Khwang are like this, but wanted to make sure.
My friends and are looking for something more relaxing and quiet compared to a go-go bar. We'd like to relax drink a few rounds with each other before taking in any activities with the girls.
Thanks![/QUOTE]I would suggest Spasso, it's located in the basement of Grand Hyatt, not far from Nana. They have a nice live band playing, small dance floor and decently looking, nice dressed girls. The atmosphere is fine. For men no shorts and flip flops allowed. Not cheap, a beer is approx 300 bath by glass. Girls not cheap, most 10.000 bath LT. But as said, decent looking and different nationalities.
[QUOTE=Kenichii;2205448]Sorry the address should be.
22 Sukhumvit Rd, Khlong Tan Nuea, Watthana, Krung Thep Maha Nakhon,10110.
Near the dinosaur planet.
Near asok bts.
Walk around 10 minute.[/QUOTE]Kenichii, thanks for your reply. Actually there is also a Holiday Inn Express on Sukhumvit 11 which appears to be walking distance to many bars in the area.
Coming to Bangkok early in morning and leaving same day in night. Are there hotels in Sukhumvit side which rents for the day or by hour? Don't want to pay for 2 nights.
[QUOTE=TempStories;2205678]Coming to Bangkok early in morning and leaving same day in night. Are there hotels in Sukhumvit side which rents for the day or by hour? Don't want to pay for 2 nights.[/QUOTE]They will let you check in after 6:00 am for 1000 baht. China airlines changed their schedule from Honolulu with a change in Taipei. The ***** is you arrive at 1:30 am BKK. No crowds and fast to the taxi. But when you get to Suk area it's 2:30 and you hate to pay for a full day at a hotel. Many FL's are still trolling so you can catch one and get an ST hotel. I just sit at Holly's and chat with the LB's until 5:00 am.
Maybe some one can advise us on a better place.
RL.
[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;2205554]For those that asked: at 3 bars tonight they said the next two days all will be closed.
Soi cowboy closed tonight already at midnight.[/QUOTE]The last time I was there and the bars were closed a gal had set up a Draft on the porch of the Subway sandwich shop and was killing it by selling glasses of cold beer. Not hiding it either, she was right at the front.
RL.
[QUOTE=Firebird;2205663]Kenichii, thanks for your reply. Actually there is also a Holiday Inn Express on Sukhumvit 11 which appears to be walking distance to many bars in the area.[/QUOTE]There is 3 Holiday inn.
Holiday inn express.
Holiday inn Sukhumvit.
Holiday inn Silom.
The 1 I stay is at Sukhumvit.
Cause near Asok.
Soi cowboy.
Cause I love to go Soi Cowboy.
The hotel I stay in have buffet all the time.
Also have a club inside.
If not wrong it name Titanium club.
With some FL and barfine able waitress.
If I want nana also will be convenient 1 stop bts.
The 3 place I go most is Nana, Thermae and Soi Cowboy.
Many night club and blowjob bar around the corner.
Coming again this September for waterzonic.
[QUOTE=ItIsMe83;2205554]For those that asked: at 3 bars tonight they said the next two days all will be closed.
Soi cowboy closed tonight already at midnight.[/QUOTE]And reopen when. Do some open in Soi Cowboy tomorrow at midnight?
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2205765]The last time I was there and the bars were closed a gal had set up a Draft on the porch of the Subway sandwich shop and was killing it by selling glasses of cold beer. Not hiding it either, she was right at the front.
RL.[/QUOTE]That's why I love Thailand. There's always a hustle.
I'm approaching 50 days. Are you guys on the ground seeing what I call looks stratification? By that I mean the Jpop and K-pop looking girls will only go with Asian guys, leaving the normal girls for fat falangs like me?
I see a ton of Jpop lookers on TF and to me, its a big uggg.
[QUOTE=DipUnit;2205532]
My friends and are looking for something more relaxing and quiet compared to a go-go bar. We'd like to relax drink a few rounds with each other before taking in any activities with the girls.[/QUOTE]You can sit in Thermae all night with your buddies and drink and ogle at girls. No pressure from wait staff or girls there. However, not the most exciting place in the world and not exactly high end. Not all gogo bars have pushy wait staff and girls. Crazy House is by far the worst for pushy wait staff. Girls in general will leave you alone in gogo bars if that is what you and your buddies want. Not sure why anyone would want to be left alone rather than making out with a gogo girl but that may just be me.
[QUOTE=Firebird;2205345]
What was the "name" of the Holiday Inn?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kenichii;2205448]Sorry the address should be.
22 Sukhumvit Rd, Khlong Tan Nuea, Watthana, Krung Thep Maha Nakhon,10110.
Near the dinosaur planet.
Near asok bts.
Walk around 10 minute.[/QUOTE]
Holiday Inn Bangkok Sukhumvit. The address is not 22 Sukhumvit rather it is on Sukhumvit Soi 22. Don't look for Dinosaur Planet it's closed.
During my last encounter at Baccara (reported already), I was told by two different girls that LT is for 4 Hrs and ST is 1-2 Hrs or 1-shot whichever comes earlier. They said this is Baccara standards and I do agree with them on the ST but isn't the LT is too short?
My experience at other establishments is LT girls always stay until 10 am+. I'm not sure if they were lying to me or playing around me! I'm visiting next month and want to confront them with the LT timing if someone can advise on this.
[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2206101]During my last encounter at Baccara (reported already), I was told by two different girls that LT is for 4 Hrs and ST is 1-2 Hrs or 1-shot whichever comes earlier. They said this is Baccara standards and I do agree with them on the ST but isn't the LT is too short?[/QUOTE]They tell you it's 4 hours LT so the girls have an out if they don't enjoy being with you. Obviously if you treat them well and you stay in a decent hotel the girl is unlikely to leave until the next morning or afternoon, especially if they believe you will barfine them again or if you have a good reputation at the bar.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2206175]They tell you it's 4 hours LT so the girls have an out if they don't enjoy being with you. Obviously if you treat them well and you stay in a decent hotel the girl is unlikely to leave until the next morning or afternoon, especially if they believe you will barfine them again or if you have a good reputation at the bar.[/QUOTE]Short time and long.
How long the girl stay is base on lot circumstances.
If you very early barfine a girl or the girl have no feeling with you.
Most likely they on stay until you cum or 1 hour.
If girl like you and time is almost midnight.
You fun, handsome, bring her eat and enjoy some nightlife.
Mostly will stay until next day.
That is why I prefer girl who approach me.
As long the look is acceptable for me.
Of course I try to hit the stunner first if fail then I change my target.
We hope the girl provide GFE, same goes for the girl hope the guy is giving them BF feeling.
Is give and take.
That why I always treat all the girl that I barfine well.
I make sure they enjoy and I enjoy.
Thou I don't have reputations in Bangkok.
As I don't always around.
But when I was there after 1st day they will know and remember me.
[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2206101]During my last encounter at Baccara (reported already), I was told by two different girls that LT is for 4 Hrs and ST is 1-2 Hrs or 1-shot whichever comes earlier. They said this is Baccara standards and I do agree with them on the ST but isn't the LT is too short?
My experience at other establishments is LT girls always stay until 10 am+. I'm not sure if they were lying to me or playing around me! I'm visiting next month and want to confront them with the LT timing if someone can advise on this.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Banana Boi;2206175]They tell you it's 4 hours LT so the girls have an out if they don't enjoy being with you. Obviously if you treat them well and you stay in a decent hotel the girl is unlikely to leave until the next morning or afternoon, especially if they believe you will barfine them again or if you have a good reputation at the bar.[/QUOTE]
Complete bullshit. Has nothing to do with how you treat them, what hotel your staying at, gifts you buy them, expensive dinner they consume. Its the size of your dick and the pounding they don't want to deal with. You could treat them to a fantastic meal, take them back to your five star hotel but when that eleven inch dick comes out they are ready to head out the door. So if you aren't Asian and have anything resembling a normal American sized dick be prepared for a short LT session. The fake coughing fits, needing to go to the hospital..after the first cough i'm already reaching for my wallet. Don't argue with it, just pull out the ST amount and pay the girl. Most of the girls just can't take the harder pounding by the bigger dick. They aren't just reaching down your pants for that lady drink you bought them, they are also checking out the size of your package to gauge their answer to the barfine question. Short guy with a small dick will always get the quick yes to a barfine and the LT until the sun rises. The fact is that smaller dicks mean less work for the lady. Girl rides a small dick non stop while looking up at the ceiling, she's not in ecstasy but taking a snooze. My ladies aren't asking me for threesomes because they like seeing naked women, they need help riding little breadman. There are the exceptions though, girls that have grown to love the oversized manhood because it hits the spots the short Asian dicks can't reach. Once I was doing my favorite girl, she was bouncing up and down and I swear for a minute I saw an adams apple. Down she comes, there it is, up she goes, there it vanishes. Thought maybe she was a post opp ladyboy then I realized it was the head of my dick. My rule is simple, break up with any girl who wants a twelve inch dick because I refuse to fold mine for no one.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2206400]Complete bullshit. Has nothing to do with how you treat them, what hotel your staying at, gifts you buy them, expensive dinner they consume. Its the size of your dick and the pounding they don't want to deal with. You could treat them to a fantastic meal, take them back to your five star hotel but when that eleven inch dick comes out they are ready to head out the door. So if you aren't Asian and have anything resembling a normal American sized dick be prepared for a short LT session.[/QUOTE]To my fellow Americans: Please don't tell me I am the only American here that doesn't have an 11 inch dick.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2206400]Most of the girls just can't take the harder pounding by the bigger dick. They aren't just reaching down your pants for that lady drink you bought them, they are also checking out the size of your package to gauge their answer to the barfine question.[/QUOTE]If the girl already reached down your pants they should already know what your dick size is before they let you barfine them. Your 11 inch dick should not have come as a surprise to the girl. No young, petite Thai girl wants to be jackhammered by a guy for an hour straight whether the guy has a 7 inch or 11 inch dick, especially if the guys weighs over 100 kg like many men in Thailand do.
[QUOTE=Allover;2206421]To my fellow Americans: Please don't tell me I am the only American here that doesn't have an 11 inch dick.[/QUOTE]
Really seems that way when you read boards like these.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2206465]If the girl already reached down your pants they should already know what your dick size is before they let you barfine them. Your 11 inch dick should not have come as a surprise to the girl. No young, petite Thai girl wants to be jackhammered by a guy for an hour straight whether the guy has a 7 inch or 11 inch dick, especially if the guys weighs over 100 kg like many men in Thailand do.
Really seems that way when you read boards like these.[/QUOTE]Wheeew, this American is relieved. Lucky me with my 3" wiggler and 3 minutes of stamina.
I need to start training the girls for quick visits at 1/3 the price.
Perhaps I should negotiate by the inch.
Hi,
I have read the forum and I am planning to visit Thermae. Does anyone have another other suggestions of places to go pickup freelances or just look around? I know of the normal places like NANA plaza, etc, but I am also interested in going out, say to a club or disco, etc.
Reading up, it seem that 2500 for a ST is the norm, as I do not want to upset the market, as they say.
For me, this will be my only trip on BKK for a while, so I want to make it worth my while (aka, find the nicer ladies), so any suggestion on bars in nana plaza would also be great. ? I read through most of the post, so I do have a rough idea on where to visit.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Allover;2206421]To my fellow Americans: Please don't tell me I am the only American here that doesn't have an 11 inch dick.[/QUOTE]Bill Maher on HBO has a great monolog at the end of his show. In a recent monolog he mentioned that the average male gets off in 108 seconds. That is what the WG's are hopping for when they say one POP. And I am sure that the horney Japanese are meeting that average. I have pulled many ladies out of Thermae and at my age it takes awhile to get off. But each lady would not stop or even suggest it until I finished. Sometimes up to 2 hours. A few complained when they had a orgasm because they said it made them tired and they had to go back and catch another customer. It made them too lazy to return to the club. Fortunately I am normally endowed medium sized. And I have asked some girls and they confirm perfect size for good sex.
One of the reasons I don't pull WG's from gogo clubs is they have a different attitude. They are on the quantity program. Get as many as you can every night. Even if they know you and you are a return customer they still are in hurry. Of course it depends on the amount you want to pay them.
RL.
[QUOTE=TempStories;2205678]Coming to Bangkok early in morning and leaving same day in night. Are there hotels in Sukhumvit side which rents for the day or by hour? Don't want to pay for 2 nights.[/QUOTE]I think the best you can do is email some hotels, give them your arrival and check out time, and ask them for a good deal. Maybe you don't need house keeping so that might help.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2205761]They will let you check in after 6:00 am for 1000 baht.[/QUOTE]Well I guess that depends on the hotel and the room price, doesn't it? What if the room is 1000 per night or less?
[QUOTE=MarlboroRed;2206529]Hi,
I have read the forum and I am planning to visit Thermae. Does anyone have another other suggestions of places to go pickup freelances or just look around? I know of the normal places like NANA plaza, etc, but I am also interested in going out, say to a club or disco, etc.
Reading up, it seem that 2500 for a ST is the norm, as I do not want to upset the market, as they say.
For me, this will be my only trip on BKK for a while, so I want to make it worth my while (aka, find the nicer ladies), so any suggestion on bars in nana plaza would also be great. ? I read through most of the post, so I do have a rough idea on where to visit.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Try khao san road.
Backpacks tourist must visit place.
Many bar and club.
Many FL.
Try nightclub between asok and nana.
If you lucky you might found some girl for free for the night.
As long you cool and fun.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2206465]If the girl already reached down your pants they should already know what your dick size is before they let you barfine them. Your 11 inch dick should not have come as a surprise to the girl. No young, petite Thai girl wants to be jackhammered by a guy for an hour straight whether the guy has a 7 inch or 11 inch dick, especially if the guys weighs over 100 kg like many men in Thailand do. Really seems that way when you read boards like these.[/QUOTE]125 kilo's here BB, we've met before so you can somewhat vouch for my weight. I was around 130 kilo's when we met but I've slimmed down some. Think you can second that I'm not a 'jolly' round fat guy. As to girls reaching into my pants, that's usually only the smart veterans who do that. I prefer the younger 18 year olds fresh off the boat. Can never tell though if they are screaming with delight or fright. But I can give them perfect directions to the hospital that will cure their cough and allow them to go back to the gogo bar with the 2000 baht I gave them for a fantastic short long time.
[QUOTE=Allover;2206421]To my fellow Americans: Please don't tell me I am the only American here that doesn't have an 11 inch dick.[/QUOTE]Never said 'American', said those who aren't of Asian decent. I'm not sure if I should included mixed races that are half Asian seeing that they might have acquired a larger package from the gene pool.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2206550]Fortunately I am normally endowed medium sized. And I have asked some girls and they confirm perfect size for good sex.[/QUOTE]Amazing. Do they also say "Welcome, handsome man!" as you walk by the bars? If so, it must be because you are handsome.
I have about a four incher and the girls tell me mine is also the perfect size for good sex. So I'm guessing you have a four incher too? Cool. Hell, some of the girls even tell me I have the biggest one they have ever had. I find that kind of hard to believe, but who am I to argue with them.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2206550]
One of the reasons I don't pull WG's from gogo clubs is they have a different attitude. They are on the quantity program. Get as many as you can every night. Even if they know you and you are a return customer they still are in hurry. Of course it depends on the amount you want to pay them.[/QUOTE]I would roughly estimate that I source 70% of my BKK girls from Go Go's (90% of my Pattaya girls) and what you are reporting is not my usual experience. Going back at least the last 5 years, a vast majority of my Go Go girls are happy to spend 3 or 4 hours with me (1 shot / modified ST), drink, watch Thai TV in bed, go out for dinner afterwards, and are in no rush to return to their bars. I don't pay them more than the standard ST rate, but I do know how to leverage my advantage by being friendly, not being cheap on lady drinks, never negotiating, relying instead on the interview and the in-bar rapport we establish, and knowing when to place strategic tips on the wait staff, mamasan, ect. Once in a while I will be with a girl who gave good service, but who wants to go back to her Go Go right away after intercourse, change clothes and get back on stage. I let them do their thing and I always smile and act friendly towards them when I see these girls on a subsequent nights in their bar, but I never repeat with those girls. At first they don't get it, but they figure it out as they see other girls receiving my repeat business.
We have the power. It is question of knowing how to exercise it in a friendly, non-combative way.
P.S. I pack a standard 6 inch American revolver. It's size may not impress compared to those on internet porn sites, but it has never let me down or failed to shoot straight. Maybe that is one of the reasons Asian working girls like me although it usually takes me longer than 30 minutes to unload. Ha Ha.
Was on Soi 4 Nana looking for some black pussy. But it all seems to have disappeared. Anyone know where they went?
[QUOTE=TheRedBaron;2206677]Was on Soi 4 Nana looking for some black pussy. But it all seems to have disappeared. Anyone know where they went?[/QUOTE]Thailand has stopped issuing and renewing visas for those girls. One girl kept me posted on Whatsapp as she tried to get a new visa from 3 different sources and was turned down each time. Those girls are now "rescued" (a code word in the media meaning "prevented from selling sex"). The trigger was a stink raised about girls from Uganda. Some girls have stayed and gone underground.
https://observer.ug/news/headlines/57703-ugandan-girls-rescued-in-thailand.html
Here I always thought I was getting a hand job preview. Guess that is why many stop at my penis ankle strap.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2206400]They aren't just reaching down your pants for that lady drink you bought them, they are also checking out the size of your package to gauge their answer to the barfine question.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2206655]It is question of knowing how to exercise it in a friendly, non-combative way.
[/QUOTE]Nat is a good chronicler of go go scene. These are all the same Thai girls. Where they work comes mostly from who they knew before they came to the big city their looks and how smart and ambitious they are. How they behave is a reflection of who they are, their personality, their immediate financial circumstances, the customers behavior rather than where they work. It takes two to tango and not having preconceived expectations but following Nat's example on how to treat a go go lady is in my opinion the way to go to having a good time most of the time.
[QUOTE=TheRedBaron;2206677]Was on Soi 4 Nana looking for some black pussy. But it all seems to have disappeared. Anyone know where they went?[/QUOTE]You might find some in Pattaya soi Diana junction soi buakhow. Some in walking street and beach road (but I have no evidence).
[QUOTE=Breadman;2206624]125 kilo's here BB, we've met before so you can somewhat vouch for my weight. I was around 130 kilo's when we met but I've slimmed down some. Think you can second that I'm not a 'jolly' round fat guy. [/QUOTE]You are definitely not a fat dude rather a big NFL football player looking guy. Girls have to know before they go with you that you are a monster of a man and it won't be easy cash even before they realize if you have a 7 or 11 inch dick. I know many hot girls who wouldn't even talk to you in fear of getting crushed.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2206550]One of the reasons I don't pull WG's from gogo clubs is they have a different attitude. They are on the quantity program. Get as many as you can every night. [/QUOTE]Which bars are you experiencing this at? Definitely not my experience with gogo girls. Maybe it's different in Bangkok but I know very very few gogo girls in Pattaya who would go with more than one guy per night. Once their barfine is paid and they are finished they would rather go hang out with their friends at a Thai BBQ or Thai disco than go back to work for the night.
[QUOTE=Marlboro Red;2206529]
Reading up, it seem that 2500 for a ST is the norm, as I do not want to upset the market, as they say.[/QUOTE]
Prices at Thermae are starting to creep up to the 3000 range for some girls. The older more desperate ones will still go for 2000 or less.
[QUOTE=MarlboroRed;2206529]Hi,
I have read the forum and I am planning to visit Thermae. Does anyone have another other suggestions of places to go pickup freelances or just look around? I know of the normal places like NANA plaza, etc, but I am also interested in going out, say to a club or disco, etc.
Reading up, it seem that 2500 for a ST is the norm, as I do not want to upset the market, as they say.
For me, this will be my only trip on BKK for a while, so I want to make it worth my while (aka, find the nicer ladies), so any suggestion on bars in nana plaza would also be great. ? I read through most of the post, so I do have a rough idea on where to visit.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I ain't a cheap Charlie but seems to me 2500ST is not really the norm.
Maybe 1500 is.
Each one his own, of course.
Hi friends,
I m travelling to Bangkok for a weekend. Aug 10th to Aug12th. Will be landing in the mrg. Its my first time travel to Bangkok. Kindly suggest me GF friendly hotel. VFM hotel indeed.
Help on places.
1) Massage parlour / BJ bars / Nurumassage.
2) Freelancer or pick up joint (Gogo bars).
Please guide me thruPM.
TIA.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2206900]I ain't a cheap Charlie but seems to me 2500ST is not really the norm.
Maybe 1500 is.
Each one his own, of course.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't pay anymore than 1500ST in Thailand. In Pattaya I will pay 2000 for a LT with FL girls from TF and in my limited Bkk experience 1000 to 1500ST with the same.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2206939]I wouldn't pay anymore than 1500ST in Thailand. In Pattaya I will pay 2000 for a LT with FL girls from TF and in my limited Bkk experience 1000 to 1500ST with the same.[/QUOTE]Here here. Wish more punters had this attitude. Then the gals would have better attitudes.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;2206900]I ain't a cheap Charlie but seems to me 2500ST is not really the norm.
Maybe 1500 is.
Each one his own, of course.[/QUOTE]The norm where? If you pull a girl from a gogo, the norm is absolutely NOT 1500. It was 15 years ago though. Unfortunately, I do think the norm these days for a gogo girl short time is 2500, you can get 2000, but getting a gogo chick for 1500 is going to be a rare occasion. Hell, some even ask for 3000 now at some places (which I would not pay).
That being said, yes, you can get the street walkers and non gogo bar girls for 1500.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2206992]The norm where? If you pull a girl from a gogo, the norm is absolutely NOT 1500. It was 15 years ago though. Unfortunately, I do think the norm these days for a gogo girl short time is 2500, you can get 2000, but getting a gogo chick for 1500 is going to be a rare occasion. Hell, some even ask for 3000 now at some places (which I would not pay).
That being said, yes, you can get the street walkers and non gogo bar girls for 1500.[/QUOTE]Agree. And you're not likely to get a Bangkok freelancer in, say, Thermae for 1500 baht ST unless she lands in the lower-in-demand 25% or so of the typically available girls in terms of looks and age.
2000 for LT? Even that would be difficult to pull off with a decent looking young Bangkok FL within shouting distance of Thermae standards or the discos unless it is one of those make-believe LTs that starts after 3am, ends at sunrise and the girl is stinking drunk anyway.
However, that or very close to it is possible with the less "pro" FLs you meet and put in a few minutes making a more personal impression on through the dating sites by way of Line and such. The real GFE quality of a LT with one of those girls is also likely to be notably better going that route than you could get by racking up 100,000 baht bar tabs and paying a hardened disco hustler 6,000+ too.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2206992]The norm where? If you pull a girl from a gogo, the norm is absolutely NOT 1500. It was 15 years ago though. Unfortunately, I do think the norm these days for a gogo girl short time is 2500, you can get 2000, but getting a gogo chick for 1500 is going to be a rare occasion. Hell, some even ask for 3000 now at some places (which I would not pay).
That being said, yes, you can get the street walkers and non gogo bar girls for 1500.[/QUOTE]You better make up your mind on what the guy is looking for.
If the OP mentions freelancers and then he "doesn't want to upset the market being 2500 the norm" I comment that 2500 is not the norm.
Anyhow it is his money and my advice. If you guys are sure of the norm, stick to your rules but don't seek advice then, as he asked for the correct price.
Seen the number of Japanese and Korean setting their own norms. I can see where the norm is going to.
A 500 baht will not be a killer, just makes the girls happier and consistent in their demand, feeling they can be the ones setting the norm. We see this in somembars where a laminated price list make it look official like released by the BKK chamber of commerce.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2206400]Complete bullshit. Has nothing to do with how you treat them, what hotel your staying at, gifts you buy them, expensive dinner they consume. Its the size of your dick and the pounding they don't want to deal with. You could treat them to a fantastic meal, take them back to your five star hotel but when that eleven inch dick comes out they are ready to head out the door. So if you aren't Asian and have anything resembling a normal American sized dick be prepared for a short LT session. The fake coughing fits, needing to go to the hospital..after the first cough i'm already reaching for my wallet. Don't argue with it, just pull out the ST amount and pay the girl. Most of the girls just can't take the harder pounding by the bigger dick. They aren't just reaching down your pants for that lady drink you bought them, they are also checking out the size of your package to gauge their answer to the barfine question. Short guy with a small dick will always get the quick yes to a barfine and the LT until the sun rises. The fact is that smaller dicks mean less work for the lady. Girl rides a small dick non stop while looking up at the ceiling, she's not in ecstasy but taking a snooze. My ladies aren't asking me for threesomes because they like seeing naked women, they need help riding little breadman. There are the exceptions though, girls that have grown to love the oversized manhood because it hits the spots the short Asian dicks can't reach. Once I was doing my favorite girl, she was bouncing up and down and I swear for a minute I saw an adams apple. Down she comes, there it is, up she goes, there it vanishes. Thought maybe she was a post opp ladyboy then I realized it was the head of my dick. My rule is simple, break up with any girl who wants a twelve inch dick because I refuse to fold mine for no one.[/QUOTE]Makes complete sense!
My dick is neither 11-inch nor I'm American but that night I pounded her real hard. She was new and my pounding in Jockey position was top-class that night, must have been hard for her I guess.
I believe that was the reason our LT converted to ST but pounding hard is something I can't help although some other ladies also told me the same. Personally, once on the floor I try to chose a girl with minimal eye contact with a bit of shyness assuming she is new, however it comes with the trade-off you can't pound them hard.
How do you guys control yourself when on top of the lady in your top gear, for me it is my adrenaline rush which controls that moment. Any tricks?
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2206992]The norm where? [/QUOTE]This is the right question to ask. Discussing price without context is not useful.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2206629]Amazing. Do they also say "Welcome, handsome man!" as you walk by the bars? If so, it must be because you are handsome.
I have about a four incher and the girls tell me mine is also the perfect size for good sex. So I'm guessing you have a four incher too? Cool. Hell, some of the girls even tell me I have the biggest one they have ever had. I find that kind of hard to believe, but who am I to argue with them.[/QUOTE]They all say "Oh you are a strong man". And so handsome and good body. Do you have condom?
RL.
[QUOTE=MusicalToM;2207074]Makes complete sense!
My dick is neither 11-inch nor I'm American but that night I pounded her real hard. She was new and my pounding in Jockey position was top-class that night, must have been hard for her I guess.
I believe that was the reason our LT converted to ST but pounding hard is something I can't help although some other ladies also told me the same. Personally, once on the floor I try to chose a girl with minimal eye contact with a bit of shyness assuming she is new, however it comes with the trade-off you can't pound them hard.
How do you guys control yourself when on top of the lady in your top gear, for me it is my adrenaline rush which controls that moment. Any tricks?[/QUOTE]Control? Easy. Be over 60, fat and a smoker. I'm good for 3 minutes with her on top.
[QUOTE=WindAngel;2207117]This is the right question to ask. Discussing price without context is not useful.[/QUOTE]Seems this is the Bangkok thread. Are you reading somewhere else?
Hey guys,
Honest question from a newcomer.
Been to Nana a few times past couple of days, signed onto WeChat and got talking to a certain girl that works in both Spankys and Straps.
Now I have my suspicion that said girl is a LB, but she has (rather angrily) denied it all the time, yet everywhere I look, I see that Straps is indeed a LB bar.
Can anyone confirm this? Or could this potentially be a girl (not a post-op LB).
[QUOTE=InterFan123;2207875]Hey guys,
Honest question from a newcomer.
Been to Nana a few times past couple of days, signed onto WeChat and got talking to a certain girl that works in both Spankys and Straps.
Now I have my suspicion that said girl is a LB, but she has (rather angrily) denied it all the time, yet everywhere I look, I see that Straps is indeed a LB bar.
Can anyone confirm this? Or could this potentially be a girl (not a post-op LB).[/QUOTE]I had a LB throw a quite obviously man sized stiletto at me around Soi 9 when I told her / him that I don't do LB's. They can get quite upset at this for whatever reason.
If you have any doubt that this is a LB then it probably is a LB.
[QUOTE=InterFan123;2207875]
Been to Nana a few times past couple of days, signed onto WeChat and got talking to a certain girl that works in both Spankys and Straps.
Now I have my suspicion that said girl is a LB, but she has (rather angrily) denied it all the time, yet everywhere I look, I see that Straps is indeed a LB bar.
Can anyone confirm this? Or could this potentially be a girl (not a post-op LB).[/QUOTE]For what I know Straps it's known because all the "girls" are a post-op LB.
[QUOTE=InterFan123;2207875]Hey guys,
Honest question from a newcomer.
Been to Nana a few times past couple of days, signed onto WeChat and got talking to a certain girl that works in both Spankys and Straps.
Now I have my suspicion that said girl is a LB, but she has (rather angrily) denied it all the time, yet everywhere I look, I see that Straps is indeed a LB bar.
Can anyone confirm this? Or could this potentially be a girl (not a post-op LB).[/QUOTE]Only way to know for sure is to ask her for her ID.
[QUOTE=InterFan123;2207875]Now I have my suspicion that said girl is a LB, but she has (rather angrily) denied it all the time, yet everywhere I look, I see that Straps is indeed a LB bar.
Can anyone confirm this? Or could this potentially be a girl (not a post-op LB).[/QUOTE]Its understandable why she will be angry, she puts in the work to be a female & you refuse to accept her as a passable female. Just so she can see you go pick up another passable "girl".
The Red-light districts are predominantly staffed by TS with passibility degrees varying from (Intentionally Masculine) to (Effortlessly Feminine).
[QUOTE=JoseNosay;2208256]
The Red-light districts are predominantly staffed by TS with passibility degrees varying from (Intentionally Masculine) to (Effortlessly Feminine).[/QUOTE]"Predominantly staffed"? No, I don't think so. Not even close. The vast majority of Go Go's are staffed with girls. There is only 1 LB Go Go on Cowboy that I am aware of and maybe 5 or 6 in Nana, but of that total half are bereft of customers most of the time and I have no idea how they manage to stay in business.
Straps is a very small post-op LB bar. I have been told that in the past they had a couple of real girls working there, but who knows? 555. A post op will almost always say "she" is a girl girl. Pre op's are much more inclined to admit they are LB's. Is it truthful or honorable for a postie to claim she is a real girl? Of course not, due to the basic deception at the core of it, but they HAVE gone thru with the chop, so I am not going to get into a philosophical discussion with one over it. They still don't look kosher to me and I can spot them in situ, not in photographs on the internet, 100% of the time, so they can say they are anything they want, claim anything they want; it don't affect me in the slightest.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2208268]"Predominantly staffed"? No, I don't think so. Not even close..[/QUOTE]The clear majority of the Farang market is Pre-OP TS.
TS levels vary, from passable (better looking than average hags).
Then.
TS who pass themselves as Hags (chubby with stretch marks, scar & baby story).
Then.
TS other looks (The Good, the Bad and the Ugly).
JN, You must exist in a parallel LB universe or you are just seeking attention because I don't know what the hell you are talking about. But good luck in all your endeavors & congrats; you made onto my ignore list in record time with just 2 posts. LOL.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2208307]you made onto my ignore list in record time[/QUOTE]Its a stigmatic (no-no) issue, like discussing Virgin Birth with a religious person, irrationality kicks in record time.
If you like having sex with a person, you should not be angry if she is TS or not. Most will not come and tell you, because of the big stigma. Once its not longer stigmatic, there will be no reason to hide it.
[QUOTE=JoseNosay;2208315]Its a stigmatic (no-no) issue, like discussing Virgin Birth with a religious person, irrationality kicks in record time.
If you like having sex with a person, you should not be angry if she is TS or not. Most will not come and tell you, because of the big stigma. Once its not longer stigmatic, there will be no reason to hide it.[/QUOTE]Wow, who's that good-looking girl you've got there on tat pic? Wish I could land some like that in Pattaya.
My African regular here asked my why I didn't do LBs. "Coz they have a cock" I said. "You don't see the cock", she retorted. "You fuck them in the ass". This candid answer got me thinking. The best predictor of any monger being into LBs is perhaps less his having a bisexual side than his being an anal sex lover.
There's no need to be too worked up about LBs in Thailand. For all I know they may be have a positive effect on the market in the sense that they divert some men from girls, just like the black girls some members here would rather see deported. What we perceive as "LBs taking over" is most probably just Thai girls deserting prostitution, nothing more. LBs are like sea cucumbers on dead coral.
Shouldn't this forum lift the ban on this topic so that it only crops up in dedicated threads? Discussion of TS, LBs ect may be protective against SJWs attempts to shut down this forum. Suppressing advice on how to fuck girls for money is well-accepted these days while suppressing discussion of LBGB stuff is a violation of human rights.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2208268]Straps is a very small post-op LB bar. I have been told that in the past they had a couple of real girls working there, but who knows? 555. A post op will almost always say "she" is a girl girl. Pre op's are much more inclined to admit they are LB's.[/QUOTE]Sounds like Lollipop. There are obvious ladyboys working there alongside the occasional cute girls. When my newbie buddy asked the wait staff and the girl he was sitting with why there were so many ladyboys there they responded there are no ladyboys. I just rolled my eyes. I think I'm experienced enough to know a ladyboy from a girl.
[QUOTE=XXL;2208321]Wow, who's that good-looking girl you've got there on tat pic? Wish I could land some like that in Pattaya..[/QUOTE]
That photo is of a famous passable TS Model
The impassable TS are the ones who decided to go ahead with hormone therapy much later.
I was yesterday Sukhumvit soi 22 after Asok BTS looking for a massage parlor with Japanese specialties with prostate massage that I had seen during my last visit. Chance for once I find quickly enough what I was looking for usually I never find it drives me crazy. I go back, consult the menu ok I take the total to 2800 be it's called mantra or something like that. I ask to see the girls I will choose on piece. 4 girls uneven beauties arrive and worry about who I'm going to choose I hope it's because they hope I'll choose them. I take the 3rd look a little vulgar, not too sure blow it's so much better I do not really like the bitches too sure of them, it's too overrated. Ok we wait 10 minutes that the royal suite is released (in fact a mattress on the floor and the shower inside.
The menu gives the program, it is accurate in there is a prostate massage that's why I came I'm curious Japanese specialties. We go in the shower, she soap me in the back and speaks all the time sign that she is not too comfortable it's only been 1 month that she is there so much better I also like discoveries. Go on we start with an oil massage on the back. After a few minutes it's panic she checks the meter that she started does not work it puts it in all its states I took 1:30 she does not know when to finish she speaks alone gets angry. Ok no bad sweetheart we must finish around 17:00 I put myself on the back and ask him prostate specialty that's why I'm here. Oh yes but she has never done it is shy good too bad do what you can. She brushes me with oil flips the bottle on me and puts a finger deep while she pumped my god that it's good I have to make an effort to hold me. Ah that's it she found her meter I go back in front I go with my VLT anyway I must abbreviate.
It is the light spirit that I return to the hotel take a drink with my VLT to recover before sending it to me too.
Last month I spent 3 days in Pattaya, here are the girls I met:
[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Kannika21189[/URL]*. *[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Porntipa191[/URL].
Tuk was mentioned a couple of times already. She is a nice girl with a small body, average face,*late 30's, always smiling and quite cheerful, but a business like attitude nonetheless. Easy negotiations at weechat and after 20 minutes she was in my room. Sex was good, but not mindblowing. Some weak kisses, decent BJ, can fuck several position, both pussy and ass, cumshot in mouth. So far, so good. 1. 500 THB.
Do I recommend her: 100%, pretty good service provider.
Will I repeat: 50%, probably not, Tuk was good, but not good enough for an encore.
[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Kanthiya[/URL]
Very fast negotiations, 20 minutes later in room. Pretty mature girl, my best guess is rather late 40's (or even more) than 43. But she looks decent for her age, still good body, nice tits. She gave an outstanding BJ and was a pretty good fuck, no matter pussy or ass. Great kisser. Pornstyle cumshot on the face. I paid 1. 500 THB, but I'm sure 1. 200 THB or even 1. 000 will get her services too.
Do I recommend her?*100%, very*good fuck if you don't mind her age.
Will I repeat?*40%, probably not, although she was very good, I will rather look for a younger girl with similar service.
[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Oo323232[/URL]
Oh, 26 years old, single mom from Buriram, very tiny frame, small tits, small ass, little english skills, conversation was exclusivly in thai / isaan. Oh is a great girl, smiling, talkative, funny, likes to laugh and giggle a lot. First girl to appear in my room without a bag (just her mobile). Sex was great, great kisses, good BJ, energetic fuck. Still she*wasn't too comfortable while getting fucked in the ass, but took it like a pro. I finished in her mouth after literally lots of ups and down: the. 1. 300 THB were accepted by her, but she got 200 THB tip on top.
Do I recommend her?*100%, she might not everyones type, but she is a very good fuck, as long as you don't need to talk in english.
Will I repeat? 120%, if in Thailand I would marry her. 'nough said.
[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Ae234555[/URL]
Ae claims to be a girl, but many guys here guessed she might be post-op LB. I fucked her, but still can't resolve this riddle. When she entered my room, my guess was that she's rather a girl. After she left I was not so sure anymore. In between she put on a decent performance. Some kisses, decent BJ, can take a good pounding with both pussy and ass although she has a very tiny frame. Left quickly after the deed was done. 1. 500 THB.
Do I recommend her?*60%, good fuck, odd girl.
Will I repeat? 0%, good, but not good enough and too odd.
[QUOTE=Zauberfee;2208745]
[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Oo323232[/URL]
Oh, 26 years old, single mom from Buriram, very tiny frame, small tits, small ass, little english skills, conversation was exclusivly in thai / isaan. Oh is a great girl, smiling, talkative, funny, likes to laugh and giggle a lot. First girl to appear in my room without a bag (just her mobile). Sex was great, great kisses, good BJ, energetic fuck. Still she*wasn't too comfortable while getting fucked in the ass, but took it like a pro. I finished in her mouth after literally lots of ups and down: the. 1. 300 THB were accepted by her, but she got 200 THB tip on top.
Do I recommend her?*100%, she might not everyones type, but she is a very good fuck, as long as you don't need to talk in english.
Will I repeat? 120%, if in Thailand I would marry her. 'nough said.
[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Ae234555[/URL]
Ae claims to be a girl, but many guys here guessed she might be post-op LB. I fucked her, but still can't resolve this riddle. When she entered my room, my guess was that she's rather a girl. After she left I was not so sure anymore. In between she put on a decent performance. Some kisses, decent BJ, can take a good pounding with both pussy and ass although she has a very tiny frame. Left quickly after the deed was done. 1. 500 THB.
Do I recommend her?*60%, good fuck, odd girl.
Will I repeat? 0%, good, but not good enough and too odd.[/QUOTE]Great Report.
[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2208569]I was yesterday Sukhumvit soi 22 after Asok BTS looking for a massage parlor with Japanese specialties with prostate massage that I had seen during my last visit. Chance for once I find quickly enough what I was looking for usually I never find it drives me crazy. I go back, consult the menu ok I take the total to 2800 be it's called mantra or something like that. I ask to see the girls I will choose on piece. 4 girls uneven beauties arrive and worry about who I'm going to choose I hope it's because they hope I'll choose them. I take the 3rd look a little vulgar, not too sure blow it's so much better I do not really like the bitches too sure of them, it's too overrated. Ok we wait 10 minutes that the royal suite is released (in fact a mattress on the floor and the shower inside.[/QUOTE]Wrong subforum, you should have posted in "Bangkok Massage Parlors. Except TULIP and ANNIES!
No name of the MP you went to.
No name of the provider who served you.
Having those three done the right way, your report would have been a valuable addition to the community.
Forgive me, it's been a while since I've posted. Would anyone have any suggestions where I can locate either dark skinned African or Indian women in Bangkok? Suggested prices for short-time would also be appreciated.
[QUOTE=Interracial;2209192]Forgive me, it's been a while since I've posted. Would anyone have any suggestions where I can locate either dark skinned African or Indian women in Bangkok? Suggested prices for short-time would also be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I'll take the bait for obvious reasons LOL. Please go to lower Sukhumvit. Start your walk at the intersection of Asok and walk down. They will start to appear near the McDonalds. Keep walking and you will see more sitting at the numerous cart bars that are agian popping up. Once you get to Thermae, they can be seen on the left and right side hanging with the bros who are selling. Next, either turn right and take a walk down soi 11 or continue straight and you will see a steady amount hanging around. Once you get to the 2nd McDonalds just after soi 7, there will also be a heavy concentration out front. After that, take a left turn onto soi 3 or a right turn into soi 4 and walk down about 200 meteres or so. Soi 3 by the grace hotel. If you don't get lucky, there is also quite a few on Tinder, Badoo, and the beauty section of CL under services. Please do your best with the help of the Big Joke to find as many as you can. I hope I was of some help.
Would anyone have any suggestions where I can locate either Albino African, Albino Aboriginese, or Albino Indian women in Bangkok? If they are bald on their head as well and / or if they are also midgets, all the better. Suggested prices for short-time would also be appreciated.
[QUOTE=Interracial;2209192]Forgive me, it's been a while since I've posted. Would anyone have any suggestions where I can locate either dark skinned African or Indian women in Bangkok? Suggested prices for short-time would also be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Post number 1! So how can it be a while since you have posted? I suggest you read the last 10 pages of Bangkok and Foreign Sex Workers to find your answers! When are you going to Bangkok? Everything you need to know is here, you have to get off your lazy butt and find it.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2209607]Would anyone have any suggestions where I can locate either Albino African, Albino Aboriginese, or Albino Indian women in Bangkok? If they are bald on their head as well and / or if they are also midgets, all the better. Suggested prices for short-time would also be appreciated.[/QUOTE]That's a pretty good one. I'm still trying to figure out why someone would want to find Indian women in Thailand. Were the Thai girls just too unbearably pretty? Some new member just made a similar post over on one of the Brazil threads, someone planning to go to Brazil but needs to find Indian and Arab women. I guess Brazilian girls are too hot for some people planning a trip to Brazil, and they require women from the opposite side of the globe.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2209607]Would anyone have any suggestions where I can locate either Albino African, Albino Aboriginese, or Albino Indian women in Bangkok? If they are bald on their head as well and / or if they are also midgets, all the better. Suggested prices for short-time would also be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I usually see a few sitting in the McDonald's on the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 5. As far as suggested prices for short-time goes, I usually demand no less than 2000 baht to be alone in a room with one for 20 minutes or so.
[QUOTE=Zauberfee;2208745]Last month I spent 3 days in Pattaya, here are the girls I met:
[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Kannika21189[/URL]*. *[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Porntipa191[/URL].
Tuk was mentioned a couple of times already. She is a nice girl with a small body, average face,*late 30's, always smiling and quite cheerful, but a business like attitude nonetheless. Easy negotiations at weechat and after 20 minutes she was in my room. Sex was good, but not mindblowing. Some weak kisses, decent BJ, can fuck several position, both pussy and ass, cumshot in mouth. So far, so good. 1. 500 THB.
Do I recommend her: 100%, pretty good service provider.
Will I repeat: 50%, probably not, Tuk was good, but not good enough for an encore.
[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Kanthiya[/URL]
Very fast negotiations, 20 minutes later in room. Pretty mature girl, my best guess is rather late 40's (or even more) than 43. But she looks decent for her age, still good body, nice tits. She gave an outstanding BJ and was a pretty good fuck, no matter pussy or ass. Great kisser. Pornstyle cumshot on the face. I paid 1. 500 THB, but I'm sure 1. 200 THB or even 1. 000 will get her services too.
Do I recommend her?*100%, very*good fuck if you don't mind her age.
Will I repeat?*40%, probably not, although she was very good, I will rather look for a younger girl with similar service.
[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Oo323232[/URL]
Oh, 26 years old, single mom from Buriram, very tiny frame, small tits, small ass, little english skills, conversation was exclusivly in thai / isaan. Oh is a great girl, smiling, talkative, funny, likes to laugh and giggle a lot. First girl to appear in my room without a bag (just her mobile). Sex was great, great kisses, good BJ, energetic fuck. Still she*wasn't too comfortable while getting fucked in the ass, but took it like a pro. I finished in her mouth after literally lots of ups and down: the. 1. 300 THB were accepted by her, but she got 200 THB tip on top.
Do I recommend her?*100%, she might not everyones type, but she is a very good fuck, as long as you don't need to talk in english.
Will I repeat? 120%, if in Thailand I would marry her. 'nough said.
[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Ae234555[/URL]
Ae claims to be a girl, but many guys here guessed she might be post-op LB. I fucked her, but still can't resolve this riddle. When she entered my room, my guess was that she's rather a girl. After she left I was not so sure anymore. In between she put on a decent performance. Some kisses, decent BJ, can take a good pounding with both pussy and ass although she has a very tiny frame. Left quickly after the deed was done. 1. 500 THB.
Do I recommend her?*60%, good fuck, odd girl.
Will I repeat? 0%, good, but not good enough and too odd.[/QUOTE]I see that Zauberfee does a lot of his fishing on Thaifriendly. As this is a dating site, I assumed that only a small number of the girls are pros or semi-pros. Am I wrong?
Are the girls in Pattaya there much more likely to be working girls than the ones in BKK?
[QUOTE=Forest;2209815]I see that Zauberfee does a lot of his fishing on Thaifriendly. As this is a dating site, I assumed that only a small number of the girls are pros or semi-pros. Am I wrong?
Are the girls in Pattaya there much more likely to be working girls than the ones in BKK?[/QUOTE]Thaifriendly in general is a normal dating site. For most towns most girls are looking for friends or relationship. But Pattaya is different at least 80% of the girls are working girls.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2209651]That's a pretty good one. I'm still trying to figure out why someone would want to find Indian women in Thailand. Were the Thai girls just too unbearably pretty? Some new member just made a similar post over on one of the Brazil threads, someone planning to go to Brazil but needs to find Indian and Arab women. I guess Brazilian girls are too hot for some people planning a trip to Brazil, and they require women from the opposite side of the globe.[/QUOTE]I don't think his request is so unusual. It probably is for someone who likes to bang only one ethnicity. In addition to quantity I like variety and have no problem banging Thais, Chinese, African, Latin American, Filipinas and Indians. I certainly will not go to India to monger (I have gone there for work and did partake but it was miserable). If I do encounter any worthwhile Indian providers in the favorable destination of Thailand I certainly would partake.
[QUOTE=Forest;2209815]I see that Zauberfee does a lot of his fishing on Thaifriendly. As this is a dating site, I assumed that only a small number of the girls are pros or semi-pros. Am I wrong?
Are the girls in Pattaya there much more likely to be working girls than the ones in BKK?[/QUOTE]If you are looking for non working girls try Badoo. You can find some girls looking for relationships, looking for holiday flings and also working girls. I have met some nice girls on there who will sleep with you for free, meaning dinner and night out. The problem is with a working girl you pay her to leave but some of these girls are hard to shake for the rest of the holiday.
Rob.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2209925]If you are looking for non working girls try Badoo. You can find some girls looking for relationships, looking for holiday flings and also working girls. I have met some nice girls on there who will sleep with you for free, meaning dinner and night out. The problem is with a working girl you pay her to leave but some of these girls are hard to shake for the rest of the holiday.
Rob.[/QUOTE]I am always looking for semi pros, not non pros. I agree that we pay them to leave.
In the past, I used DateInAsia to find semi pro guides (defined as women who wanted money for sex but did not work in the sex industry full time because they do not consider themselves to be prostitutes) and I have had two successes in 6 years. Both ladies were my nightly guest and guide for a week of hard-core fun. Both were extremely GFE. But, this is not a great track record.
I would love to hear other members suggestion for how to find a short term extremely GFE woman in BKK.
[QUOTE=Forest;2209815]I see that Zauberfee does a lot of his fishing on Thaifriendly. As this is a dating site, I assumed that only a small number of the girls are pros or semi-pros. Am I wrong?
Are the girls in Pattaya there much more likely to be working girls than the ones in BKK?[/QUOTE]You can find many working girls or girls who are very much down for exchanging sex for money much more than looking for a serious relationship on ThaiFriendly, Bangkok. I do. In order to filter for them, I would keep your search to "Bangkok, Sukhumvit" or "Bangkok, All Areas, Within 15 Km", between "18-30 years old." Don't forget to click the Search button again after any changes you make on that search filter.
Now, here is where the filtering might get tricky for younger guys because I don't know how this can be done when you do not list YOUR age as, say, 55 years old and above. But if your profile cites your age as being an older dude, as mine does, and you choose the girl search option, "Respect their age range", guess what, tons of young girls will pop up for you who state the age range of men they are looking for as "18-60", "18-90", "18-Any", "Any-Any" and so on.
Then it is not hard to figure out that the hotter and younger girls with sexy pics who are open to meeting 80 year old dudes are working girls or cash-strapped P4P-curious girls looking for a sponsor for the night to help them pay tuition at the nunnery. Otherwise, what is a 19-20 year old hottie hanging around ground zero for tourist P4P action in Bangkok doing trolling for 65 year old vacationers on the internet, right?
For best chance of getting a real GFE with the ones who click interested in you or you contact first, move to Line communication asap, before "negotiations" if possible. Very early into the Line chat suggest to do a quick video chat "for 1 minute just to say Hi" (so she will know it isn't about sex video chatting, a freebie as far as she is concerned).
If she agrees, then she will have SEEN you, seen your smile, been charmed by you (right?) and you will no longer be an unknown, scary, disembodied text online to whom it is much easier for her to say no to this or that. Once you have become a real person on video and she is comfortable that you are not a hideous monster (unless you ARE a hideous monster, that is), then she will be much more inclined to say Yes to whatever real GFE bits you want to make sure will happen when she comes to your room. Of course, you will also be able to see how far off from her pics she is and even if she is indeed a she and not a he.
Hi guys,
Are there still African freelancers around? I saw report of Thai police rounding up those Africans. Wondering are they still loitering around Sukhumvit area? If yes then I shall book a trip down.
Thanks.
Check with your favorite shop before venturing out tonight due to some "inspection activity".
Are there still African freelancer around? Last I heard they were caught by the Thai police. Anyone can confirm?
Hi friends,
M in short vacation to Bkk. Staying at ibis suk 4. Would like to know about nearby BJ or massage parlour. M landing quite early in morning and check in is at 2. 00 pm. Can kill some time in BJ or massage.
I have done few rtff for pickup at bars. Just wanted to check on pricing for ST and LT.
TIA.
[QUOTE=Yogesh021;2210308]Hi friends,
M in short vacation to Bkk. Staying at ibis suk 4. Would like to know about nearby BJ or massage parlour. M landing quite early in morning and check in is at 2. 00 pm. Can kill some time in BJ or massage.
I have done few rtff for pickup at bars. Just wanted to check on pricing for ST and LT.
TIA.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES[/URL]!
[QUOTE=ValentinoV;2210053]Are there still African freelancer around? Last I heard they were caught by the Thai police. Anyone can confirm?[/QUOTE]Very few compared with 2-3 months ago. Most nights I could count all of them I see from Sukhumvit and Asok to all the way down Soi 4 past Hillary 1 on the fingers of one hand, including in front of Thermae. A few might be hiding deep inside a couple of side sois along the way.
[QUOTE=Zauberfee;2208745]
[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Oo323232[/URL]
Oh, 26 years old, single mom from Buriram, very tiny frame, small tits, small ass, little english skills, conversation was exclusivly in thai / isaan. Oh is a great girl, smiling, talkative, funny, likes to laugh and giggle a lot. First girl to appear in my room without a bag (just her mobile). Sex was great, great kisses, good BJ, energetic fuck. Still she*wasn't too comfortable while getting fucked in the ass, but took it like a pro. I finished in her mouth after literally lots of ups and down: the. 1. 300 THB were accepted by her, but she got 200 THB tip on top.
Do I recommend her?*100%, she might not everyones type, but she is a very good fuck, as long as you don't need to talk in english.
Will I repeat? 120%, if in Thailand I would marry her. 'nough said.
[/QUOTE]Does she have much baby damage? Thanks.
[QUOTE=Markly2;2210943]Does she have much baby damage? Thanks.[/QUOTE]IIRC no significant damage.
[QUOTE=Zauberfee;2210946]IIRC no significant damage.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that.
[QUOTE=PerezPerez;2200775]How come you couldn't find, use Google type Nalin spa, the first option. The website is in Thai and you need google translate if you can not read Thai and the staff there including Khun Nalin can't speak English so you need to speak basic Thai to communicate or there might be misunderstandings. Google maps will help you to locate the area, just need to do some research with patience.[/QUOTE]I think that depends a bit on your location and other things. Where I'm googling from, the "nalin spa" you talk about is neither on the first page nor the second, so give the guy a break.
Is this the place you are talking about? [URL]https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hld13rXsqWQJ:www.zodio.com/business/detail/105072079[/URL].
Should you have a better url, and even better, a phone number too, that would be appreciated. Your description of it sounds interesting, but it's quite far out in no-mans land, so I'd be hesitant to spend the time to go all the way out there only to find out they're closed or busy when I arrive.
Thanks.
How anybody found this hole in the wall is a mystery to me. Getting there from Sukhumvit is a hazzle in itself. MRT blue line to last station Tao Poon (12 stops from Asoke), then upstairs to purple line for another 6 stops to Bang Krasor. Get off on the east side, train is heading north, it's then about 50 meters down the left side of soi 24 which is beside the station. The entrance and reception make it almost appear it's an abandoned shop but the actual massage room and shower area are decent enough.
Now as somebody noted nobody speaks English and the menu is almost entirely in Thai so it's difficult to know what's on offer. I paid 1000 which was the cheapest 60 minute package available.
It unfortunately turned out to be the lamest excuse for an oil massage I have had in this town bar none. My back and legs were massaged for about 40 minutes and when I turned over I was toweled up and given a head massage for another 20 minutes. Then it was over. Not one time was there a hint or a semblance of an erotic massage. The girl was pleasant and friendly but obviously inexperienced.
I didn't make a fuss, I was in a good mood that day, the markets were up but obviously something had gone terribly wrong and I had no idea what it was. I love a sensual massage, slow hands with an easy touch that's why I went there but sadly something got lost in translation.
I may have gone to the wrong place but the location checked out and there was a sign on the door saying Nalin massage. That said the pics on their website of the interiors didn't match.
If anybody is thinking of making the trek I suggest you make an effort to communicate on what you can expect however difficult that may be before committing.
Incidentally the cup of hot ginger tea on the way out was good if a tad expensive.
[URL]http://www.nalinspa.com/[/URL]
All,
I have been to both Nana plaza and soi cowboy, but can anyone suggest a fun great gogo bar / strip club in Bangkok? I have been to the all the bars in nana plaza and I notice that most people they sit down, look at the girls or chat with them.
What I am really looking for is a strip bar where the girls girls give lap dances, sitnob your lap, etc.
I know YMMV but I looking for somewhere there is a party feel rather than everyone sitting looking at the girls and doing nothing.
[QUOTE=MarlboroRed;2212492]All,
I have been to both Nana plaza and soi cowboy, but can anyone suggest a fun great gogo bar / strip club in Bangkok? I have been to the all the bars in nana plaza and I notice that most people they sit down, look at the girls or chat with them.
What I am really looking for is a strip bar where the girls girls give lap dances, sitnob your lap, etc.
I know YMMV but I looking for somewhere there is a party feel rather than everyone sitting looking at the girls and doing nothing.[/QUOTE]Pat pong on Silom Road.
RL.
[QUOTE=MarlboroRed;2212492]All,
I have been to both Nana plaza and soi cowboy, but can anyone suggest a fun great gogo bar / strip club in Bangkok? I have been to the all the bars in nana plaza and I notice that most people they sit down, look at the girls or chat with them.
What I am really looking for is a strip bar where the girls girls give lap dances, sitnob your lap, etc.
I know YMMV but I looking for somewhere there is a party feel rather than everyone sitting looking at the girls and doing nothing.[/QUOTE]Nana and Cowboy gogo bars are quite boring. As RL says, Patpong is more fun. For the most girls try King's Castle 1 and 2. Other fun bars but much fewer girls Black Pagoda is hit and miss, Badabing girls are at least friendly. And Pink Panther can be ok on certain nights. If you want any entertainment in a gogo bar, you need to come to Pattaya. However, most of the really high mileage gogo bars in Pattaya don't have many girls up to my standards.
[QUOTE=MarlboroRed;2212492]All,
I have been to both Nana plaza and soi cowboy, but can anyone suggest a fun great gogo bar / strip club in Bangkok? I have been to the all the bars in nana plaza and I notice that most people they sit down, look at the girls or chat with them.
What I am really looking for is a strip bar where the girls girls give lap dances, sitnob your lap, etc.
I know YMMV but I looking for somewhere there is a party feel rather than everyone sitting looking at the girls and doing nothing.[/QUOTE]From my observation and experience, the Nana Plaza go-go bars that currently come closest to what you described would be Enter and Butterflies, both on the top floor of the plaza. Quality of the line ups will vary from night to night, hour to hour.
You can also get plenty of lap dances and body-to-body interaction with girls on the second level of Crazy House, Soi 23 around the corner from Soi Cowboy. However, the quality of the girls up there is generally low, perhaps a deeply flawed but still acceptable diamond in the rough shows up every now and then. Beware, the Lady Drink Only hustle is quite heavy in this bar so you will need to time those lap dances properly in relation to the Lady Drinks you purchase.
I haven't had the opportunity to write up my reports from my trip last week, but Dollhouse in cowboy would be a good choice for what you are looking for, especially the 2nd floor. I spent the last night of my trip there and it was a great fun time. Honestly probably the most fun I have ever had in a gogo bar in 20 some odd trips. Girls were a blast, servers not pushy, happy hour prices good, and everyone was having a good time. My only regret is that I only took 1 of them back to room with me, I can still feel the other girls perfect 20 yo tits in my hands. Just in general the atmosphere was great.
[QUOTE=MarlboroRed;2212492]All,
I have been to both Nana plaza and soi cowboy, but can anyone suggest a fun great gogo bar / strip club in Bangkok? I have been to the all the bars in nana plaza and I notice that most people they sit down, look at the girls or chat with them.
What I am really looking for is a strip bar where the girls girls give lap dances, sitnob your lap, etc.
I know YMMV but I looking for somewhere there is a party feel rather than everyone sitting looking at the girls and doing nothing.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the great report. I still like the gogos, but seeing less and less value for my baht in those these days. My last trip I pulled 4 from thermae and not all were successes but least I wasn't in very much damage wise compared to a gogo. I have a few questions for you as I want to work your strategy on my next trip.
1.) did you do the video thing before hand to get a good look at the girl or rely on pics she sent?
2.) I love tapping that ass as well, was this something you negotiated ahead of time? And if so may I ask how did you approach it with them?
3.) can you expand on negotiation strategy a bit more?
[QUOTE=Zauberfee;2208745]Last month I spent 3 days in Pattaya, here are the girls I met:
[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Kannika21189[/URL]*. *[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Porntipa191[/URL].
Tuk was mentioned a couple of times already. She is a nice girl with a small body, average face,*late 30's, always smiling and quite cheerful, but a business like attitude nonetheless. Easy negotiations at weechat and after 20 minutes she was in my room. Sex was good, but not mindblowing. Some weak kisses, decent BJ, can fuck several position, both pussy and ass, cumshot in mouth. So far, so good. 1. 500 THB.
Do I recommend her: 100%, pretty good service provider.
Will I repeat: 50%, probably not, Tuk was good, but not good enough for an encore.
[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Kanthiya[/URL]
Very fast negotiations, 20 minutes later in room. Pretty mature girl, my best guess is rather late 40's (or even more) than 43. But she looks decent for her age, still good body, nice tits. She gave an outstanding BJ and was a pretty good fuck, no matter pussy or ass. Great kisser. Pornstyle cumshot on the face. I paid 1. 500 THB, but I'm sure 1. 200 THB or even 1. 000 will get her services too.
Do I recommend her?*100%, very*good fuck if you don't mind her age.
Will I repeat?*40%, probably not, although she was very good, I will rather look for a younger girl with similar service.
[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Oo323232[/URL]
Oh, 26 years old, single mom from Buriram, very tiny frame, small tits, small ass, little english skills, conversation was exclusivly in thai / isaan. Oh is a great girl, smiling, talkative, funny, likes to laugh and giggle a lot. First girl to appear in my room without a bag (just her mobile). Sex was great, great kisses, good BJ, energetic fuck. Still she*wasn't too comfortable while getting fucked in the ass, but took it like a pro. I finished in her mouth after literally lots of ups and down: the. 1. 300 THB were accepted by her, but she got 200 THB tip on top.
Do I recommend her?*100%, she might not everyones type, but she is a very good fuck, as long as you don't need to talk in english.
Will I repeat? 120%, if in Thailand I would marry her. 'nough said.
[URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/Ae234555[/URL]
Ae claims to be a girl, but many guys here guessed she might be post-op LB. I fucked her, but still can't resolve this riddle. When she entered my room, my guess was that she's rather a girl. After she left I was not so sure anymore. In between she put on a decent performance. Some kisses, decent BJ, can take a good pounding with both pussy and ass although she has a very tiny frame. Left quickly after the deed was done. 1. 500 THB.
Do I recommend her?*60%, good fuck, odd girl.
Will I repeat? 0%, good, but not good enough and too odd.[/QUOTE]
Hey guys,
I'm doing a trip to Bangkok for a bachelor party this coming February 2019 and need help, that's why I'm doing research now, I don't get the terminology Annies or tulips only? I'm visiting soi cowboy area but any other suggestions for a newbie, I'm usually in the Tijuana Mexico subsection and would like help from my mongering brothers with basic info like how much money should I bring for 2 weeks? I understand he baht conversion rate and they say you spend about 25 US dollars, but that's probably without mongering, What were the average prices? I see escort at 4000 baht which is around 120 you. S but wondering about other types like gogo / street / massage parlor pricing? And any suggestions to where we should go, probably a small group of 5 guys.
Any help, tips, suggestions would be appreciated.
Hey why'all.
Looking to stop by Thailand again in a few months. Its been a year since the last trip.
Has the scene changed at all??
As of right now. Bangkok or Pattaya?
Probably going to stay for a week. Been to Bangkok 2 times, 0 Pattaya.
I'm 27, asian, relatively good looking & in good shape.
Looking mostly for stunners /9+.
My only concerns about trying Pattaya instead of Bangkok again are:
-quality of girls? I know the gogo scene is not comparable, but are there simply just MORE average girls in Pattaya / same amount of stunners?
-Bangkok soapy scene is much better than Pattaya?
Look forward to hearing from you all.
Cheers.
-P.
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2214054]
Looking mostly for stunners /9+[/QUOTE]Then don't go to Thailand. I have only seen one 9+ in the 20 or so years I have been visiting Thailand. That was a Thai girlfriend of a Thai General's son in Bangkok. That General's son was mid 20's and quite good looking as far as Thai guys go, and of course rich. He was spending a fortune on her to maintain her, but she was definitely a stunner.
There are lots of 7's and even a few 8's, but I doubt you will be finding any 9+ girls.
[QUOTE=DragonZ04;2213984]
Any help, tips, suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2214054]Look forward to hearing from you all.
[/QUOTE]
Go back 20 pages in this thread and the Pattaya thread and start reading. If not all of your questions are answered then go back 30 pages. Etcetera.
This may sound blunt, but a forum is meant to be read. It's not for asking general questions that have been asked (and answered!) dozens of times already.
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2214054]Hey why'all.
Looking to stop by Thailand again in a few months. Its been a year since the last trip.
Has the scene changed at all??
As of right now. Bangkok or Pattaya?
Probably going to stay for a week. Been to Bangkok 2 times, 0 Pattaya.
I'm 27, asian, relatively good looking & in good shape.
Looking mostly for stunners /9+.
My only concerns about trying Pattaya instead of Bangkok again are:.[/QUOTE]We should have had this discussion last year when we hung out together about "what actually is a stunner 9+" Do you consider the girl I fucked at the Lord's Palace a 9 and above stunner? What about some of the girls I pointed to at Baccara? To me this girl in the photos is very stunning (slightly bigger tits and ass than I usually like). You are going to have to kind of list the qualities you see in a top tier girl in order for most guys to give input. Perhaps even show us an example. Also by now, I think you know whose opinion really counts and whose doesn't, when it comes hot girls and taste. Right?
P.S. Do you remember the story I told you about the scary hateful trolls that come out from under the bridge in search of young good looking Asian guys? Try not to let them eat you.
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2214054]Hey why'all.
Looking to stop by Thailand again in a few months. Its been a year since the last trip.
Has the scene changed at all??
As of right now. Bangkok or Pattaya?
Probably going to stay for a week. Been to Bangkok 2 times, 0 Pattaya.
I'm 27, asian, relatively good looking & in good shape.
Looking mostly for stunners /9+.
My only concerns about trying Pattaya instead of Bangkok again are:.[/QUOTE]If you've seen Bangkok twice you should definitely try Pattaya. There are hot girls in Pattaya I personally think they're overrated but that's me. But Pattaya is someplace you have to experience not read about.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2214149]Then don't go to Thailand. I have only seen one 9+ in the 20 or so years I have been visiting Thailand.[/QUOTE]Is there truly any monger destination we can go where we can find 9+ working girls without breaking the bank (over 7 k baht)? FKK clubs 5+ years ago provided that but I don't know of any at present.
[QUOTE=DragonZ04;2213984]Hey guys,
I'm doing a trip to Bangkok for a bachelor party this coming February 2019 and need help, that's why I'm doing research now, I don't get the terminology Annies or tulips only? I'm visiting soi cowboy area but any other suggestions for a newbie, I'm usually in the Tijuana Mexico subsection and would like help from my mongering brothers with basic info like how much money should I bring for 2 weeks? I understand he baht conversion rate and they say you spend about 25 US dollars, but that's probably without mongering, What were the average prices? I see escort at 4000 baht which is around 120 you. S but wondering about other types like gogo / street / massage parlor pricing? And any suggestions to where we should go, probably a small group of 5 guys.
Any help, tips, suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]You get 33 baht per USD right now. Plan on 1000 baht low end 4000 baht high end plus meals and hotel expenses $50/ day bare bones $100 a day doable $200 a day is pretty rich but most of it depends on you. Tulips and Annie (closed now?) are soapies tulips is my favorite. I suggest mixing it up IE bar girl, massage, freelancer, gogo girl, girls on tinder / Thai friendly etc.
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2214054]
Looking mostly for stunners /9+.
My only concerns about trying Pattaya instead of Bangkok again are:
-quality of girls? I know the gogo scene is not comparable, but are there simply just MORE average girls in Pattaya / same amount of stunners?
[/QUOTE]I have walked down Soi 6 in Pattaya regularly recently and I can tell you that there are several hundred young girls there, but no 9's. It is even hard to find an 8. Maybe five 8's in total.
Most are 7's and 6's. But granted 1000 baht is a good price for ST given that you have to compromise on quality.
[QUOTE=Franga;2214183]I have walked down Soi 6 in Pattaya regularly recently and I can tell you that there are several hundred young girls there, but no 9's. It is even hard to find an 8. Maybe five 8's in total.
Most are 7's and 6's. But granted 1000 baht is a good price for ST given that you have to compromise on quality.[/QUOTE]They are all stunners in the dark.
[QUOTE=Franga;2214183]I have walked down Soi 6 in Pattaya regularly recently and I can tell you that there are several hundred young girls there, but no 9's. It is even hard to find an 8. Maybe five 8's in total.
Most are 7's and 6's. But granted 1000 baht is a good price for ST given that you have to compromise on quality.[/QUOTE]I too like to stroll down Soi 6 from time to time and mostly window shop before I head elsewhere. IMHO most Soi 6 girls are barely 5's with maybe a few 6's thrown in the mix along the way. I have never seen or shagged a 7 on Soi 6 much less an 8. Ha Ha. That's why I prefer the Go Go's. But you never know. Diamond in the rough and all that. Nice girls on Soi 6, personality wise, however. That's why I keep going back and looking. It is also something to do from 5:30 to 8 before the Go Go's open. I am glad it is there.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2214176]Is there truly any monger destination we can go where we can find 9+ working girls without breaking the bank (over 7 k baht)? FKK clubs 5+ years ago provided that but I don't know of any at present.[/QUOTE]9's are very rare. The last 9's I had the opportunity to shag were 4 girls (2 Chinese mainland & 2 Korean) offered up in the "super model" category at Rio Sauna in Macau. These girls were gorgeous and their bodies were rocket ship amazing. Their price was 4000 macau pataca or $495 US each. Meanwhile in the same lineup there were very pretty regular Chinese girls at Rio for half the price. I was sorely tempted to go for one of the Korean girls, but I opted out and chose a cute Chinese regular girl, a 6.75 instead and she gave me a memorable session. So, at the time I was certain I made the right decision, but now 2 years later, I keep thinking about that Korean super model, the one that got away, so maybe I screwed up and made the wrong choice. You only live once. It is only money. You can't take it with you. Ha Ha.
I am stopping off in Macau for 5 nights on my Asian next trip. I haven't made my mind up on what I will do if I am offered a similar selection.
As a long time lurker, recently I have begon to wonder why I never see any report from Sutthisan Road (Tded etc) pass here.
I have never been there and been made aware of the area by a friend recently but I have no idea what's good there.
Any info on the surroundings? Is it a safe area?
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2214176]Is there truly any monger destination we can go where we can find 9+ working girls without breaking the bank (over 7 k baht)? [/QUOTE]Venezuela and Colombia.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2214276]Venezuela and Colombia.[/QUOTE]Venezuela is a no go right now. The country is disintegrating and very dangerous at the moment. The time to go will be after somebody puts a bullet in Maduro's head and the rule of law and order is restored so that the nation can begin its long road back to economic sanity. We have not seen rock bottom yet. Meanwhile the price of Venezuelan poontang in Caracas is dirt cheap. The people have no money or even adequate food. Prices in hard currency will remain extraordinarily cheap for a good while after the coup or military intervention, so there will be plenty of time to go visit.
PS. We have plenty of hot Venezuelan girls in Miami, unfortunately prices are very expensive here.
[QUOTE=DragonZ04;2213984]Hey guys,
I'm doing a trip to Bangkok for a bachelor party this coming February 2019 and need help, that's why I'm doing research now, I don't get the terminology Annies or tulips only? I'm visiting soi cowboy area but any other suggestions for a newbie, I'm usually in the Tijuana Mexico subsection and would like help from my mongering brothers with basic info like how much money should I bring for 2 weeks? I understand he baht conversion rate and they say you spend about 25 US dollars, but that's probably without mongering, What were the average prices? I see escort at 4000 baht which is around 120 you. S but wondering about other types like gogo / street / massage parlor pricing? And any suggestions to where we should go, probably a small group of 5 guys.
Any help, tips, suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]For two weeks I would go to Pattaya and stay only a few days in Bangkok. It's bigger, better, cheaper and only 2 h from Bangkok.
Check this link, that should help you. [URL]http://www.thailandredcat.com[/URL].
For a newbie in Bangkok I would stay anywhere between Nana and Soi Cowboy. The Massage Parlors you'll find on google. My favourite Agogo is crazy house near Soi Cowboy.
In Pattaya go to soi6 and walking street Agogos and bars. The Massage Parlors you'll find on google.
Have fun at your bachelor party.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2214222]IMHO most Soi 6 girls are barely 5's with maybe a few 6's thrown in the mix along the way. I have never seen or shagged a 7 on Soi 6 much less an 8.[/QUOTE]Ratings are subjective (people prioritize different qualities), but I fully agree with this. On Soi 6, I haven't seen anyone above a 6/10 for many years, and even a 6 is not so common.
In fact, I don't think I've seen a true 9/10 working girl in all of Pattaya since 2011 or so, though I must admit, I don't go to expensive places. When I visit Pattaya for a few days, I adjust my expectations, but whenever I go back to Bangkok and ride the BTS, I have a "lord, where have I been" moment.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2214176]Is there truly any monger destination we can go where we can find 9+ working girls without breaking the bank (over 7 k baht)? FKK clubs 5+ years ago provided that but I don't know of any at present.[/QUOTE]If you're into Chinese looks, there are some 8+ girls, with maybe an occasional 9 in Hong Kong 141 buildings (Fuji, King Hing and a few more). The good ones typically charge 600 HKD, which is 2. 5 k baht, that's reasonable, especially given the location. Not a great scene for browsing, and typically not amazing service (a 20 min quickie), but if looks at an affordable price are all you're asking for, worth checking out.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2214176]Is there truly any monger destination we can go where we can find 9+ working girls without breaking the bank (over 7 k baht)? FKK clubs 5+ years ago provided that but I don't know of any at present.[/QUOTE]Definitely German FKKs. I have just returned from 3 months there and have in fact sessioned some 9's. That's the only reason I hobby there.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2214296] the price of Venezuelan poontang in Caracas is dirt cheap.[/QUOTE]So true. Best looking girls in the world and the cheapest. I was checking the sexy caracas site the other day. Price is less than 1 usd for an hour with a girl who is a 9+
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2214171]We should have had this discussion last year when we hung out together about "what actually is a stunner 9+" Do you consider the girl I fucked at the Lord's Palace a 9 and above stunner? What about some of the girls I pointed to at Baccara? To me this girl in the photos is very stunning (slightly bigger tits and ass than I usually like). You are going to have to kind of list the qualities you see in a top tier girl in order for most guys to give input. Perhaps even show us an example. Also by now, I think you know whose opinion really counts and whose doesn't, when it comes hot girls and taste. Right?
P.S. Do you remember the story I told you about the scary hateful trolls that come out from under the bridge in search of young good looking Asian guys? Try not to let them eat you.[/QUOTE]
LOL yea I should have clarified a bit. Ill try to find a photo that would suitably represent my definition of a 9+ and post here. From what i recall, our tastes were relatively similar.
Although ratings are rather subjective. I'd say the girl in your photos would objectively be a 7-8 for me? Could be higher if I saw her in real life.
I'm personally not a big fan of the braces look + she's got that makeup caked on rather heavy. But those tits tho, if they're natural. <3.
I honestly can't remember what the girl you got at the Lord looked like. But from what I can remember, she was definitely quite pretty. Perhaps an 8-8. 5 from my hazy ass memory.
Personally, the traits that i need a girl to have to be a 9+ = pretty natural face, toned body, sizable natural tits, plump ass (doesn't have to be huge), tall-ish? at least 5'5-5'6, nice skin/little to no blemishes (healthy tan ok, but not dark)
p.s. to further clarify, my search for 9+ is simply in regards to looks. shot in the dark if the 9+ girl will be any good in bed.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2214315]Ratings are subjective (people prioritize different qualities), but I fully agree with this. On Soi 6, I haven't seen anyone above a 6/10 for many years, and even a 6 is not so common.
In fact, I don't think I've seen a true 9/10 working girl in all of Pattaya since 2011 or so, though I must admit, I don't go to expensive places. When I visit Pattaya for a few days, I adjust my expectations, but whenever I go back to Bangkok and ride the BTS, I have a "lord, where have I been" moment.
If you're into Chinese looks, there are some 8+ girls, with maybe an occasional 9 in Hong Kong 141 buildings (Fuji, King Hing and a few more). The good ones typically charge 600 HKD, which is 2. 5 k baht, that's reasonable, especially given the location. Not a great scene for browsing, and typically not amazing service (a 20 min quickie), but if looks at an affordable price are all you're asking for, worth checking out.[/QUOTE]
I'm not really into the whole in-call scene in HK. In-call in general that is.
Unless its like a soapy like business wherein the facilities are very well kept IE: the Lord or better.
(there was a couple I visited in Shanghai that were super nice).
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2214149]Then don't go to Thailand. I have only seen one 9+ in the 20 or so years I have been visiting Thailand. That was a Thai girlfriend of a Thai General's son in Bangkok. That General's son was mid 20's and quite good looking as far as Thai guys go, and of course rich. He was spending a fortune on her to maintain her, but she was definitely a stunner.
There are lots of 7's and even a few 8's, but I doubt you will be finding any 9+ girls.[/QUOTE]LOL I did see your post about that which I thought was quite funny. I've seen a handful of 9's in Bangkok I believe. By a handful I mean it was definitely more on the rare side given there aren't nearly as many options in Bangkok as I'd like. Only places I consistently like are Bacarra, Rainbow 5/2 (I could be getting my numbers mixed up) & the Lord.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2214315]...If you're into Chinese looks, there are some 8+ girls, with maybe an occasional 9 in Hong Kong 141 buildings (Fuji, King Hing and a few more). The good ones typically charge 600 HKD, which is 2. 5 k baht, that's reasonable, especially given the location. Not a great scene for browsing, and typically not amazing service (a 20 min quickie), but if looks at an affordable price are all you're asking for, worth checking out.[/QUOTE]I have visited many 141 buildings in HKG, multiple times, and I don't recall seeing any good looking girls there that would qualify as an 8+ or a 9.
However, I have seen quite a few over the years in Macau Saunas. The saunas seem to have grabbed most of the Chinese eye candy bracing the HKG / Macau shores. However, as is typically the case, I mostly paid for their looks, and I did not get much in the way of service.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2214276]Venezuela and Colombia.[/QUOTE]I agree about Colombia having eye candy providers, but Venezuela is not safe at this time. Many providers from that country are plying their trade in Colombia these days.
I would add Brazil to that list. Rio and Sao Paulo feature some decent eye candy. One can also find eye candy at the FKKs, but it is still Caucasian providers. They cannot compete with the other ethnicities in the GFE department. Eye candy without GFE is like preparing a nice dish but forgetting to add spices.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2214227]...I am stopping off in Macau for 5 nights on my Asian next trip. I haven't made my mind up on what I will do if I am offered a similar selection.[/QUOTE]Go for a Korean next time, and you will not regret it. I have and it's been like a dream come true.
I am even leaning Korean now, and I visited a working girl in Seoul, where I spent 4 days of bliss with her.
Also, as you are probably aware, for the last 15 years or so, we have been blessed with a barrage of Korean providers visiting our US shores regularly. That was my cure for the Caucasian poon, and I have never looked back, and never been so pleased.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2214315]Ratings are subjective (people prioritize different qualities), but I fully agree with this. On Soi 6, I haven't seen anyone above a 6/10 for many years, and even a 6 is not so common.
[/QUOTE]Very true. Ratings are subjective. Someone may be a much tougher grader than the next guy. More importantly, we all have different taste on what a 8 or a 9 looks like. I have seen the odd 7 or 8 on Soi 6 but I live here so chances of me seeing one is much higher than a tourist who comes here maybe 2 months total out of the year.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2214276]Venezuela and Colombia.[/QUOTE]Thanks. No doubt Venezuela likely has 9's. Unfortunately with the chaos happening there right now it's not even close to being on my radar. Medellin seems to be safer these days and is a consideration.
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2214463]
I'm not really into the whole in-call scene in HK. In-call in general that is.
Unless its like a soapy like business wherein the facilities are very well kept IE: the Lord or better.
(there was a couple I visited in Shanghai that were super nice).[/QUOTE]
Then don't even consider doing any girl on Soi 6. I guess you can take her back to your hotel.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2214327]Definitely German FKKs. I have just returned from 3 months there and have in fact sessioned some 9's. That's the only reason I hobby there.[/QUOTE]I know you are an experienced FKK guy like myself but I've been pretty hard pressed to find many 9's in a FKK club for some years. Used to be commonplace at GT and Oase 5+ years ago. Which clubs have you been seeing the 9's? My style is along the lines of Adele when she first started at Samya 5 years ago (now possibly at Mainhattan) and Luana when she first started at LR. Super pale white skin and busty with a cute face. With the decline of the German girls like Sam and Leoni at GT or Kitty at ACA it's tough for me to return. It's all Romanian all day long now but I'd love to see Madalina at ACA, Ramona at Oase, or Beatriz at Mondial again.
Wait a couple days and it will be like 50 cents. Sooner of later, they are going to wise up and charge in US $. Turkey is getting cheaper too.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2214354]So true. Best looking girls in the world and the cheapest. I was checking the sexy caracas site the other day. Price is less than 1 usd for an hour with a girl who is a 9+[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2214176]Is there truly any monger destination we can go where we can find 9+ working girls without breaking the bank (over 7 k baht)? FKK clubs 5+ years ago provided that but I don't know of any at present.[/QUOTE]I see Natty Bumpo replied. His taste is generally somewhat similar to mine. We often liked the same girls. However you taste is quite different I feel. Even in FKK, while you find plenty of girls with great bodies, those that were really pretty for the face and had a great body have been extremely limited for over 10 years.
Brenda "the body" at FKK Sharks has a 10 points body for me (despite ass slightly small), but face is no more than an 7.5 at best. She is still the hottest in the club easily for me. At other clubs recently did not see a face really above an 8. Even years ago a 9 was quite rare.
For most guys, young plus good body = stunning, but not at all for me. The face matters. Took a skinny Laos girl yesterday that is excessively cute in the face for my taste, but may not be for others. Small tits but nice shape. She once worked an MP around Soi 24, but cannot now as is Laos. I met her as a newbie with low skills, but 2 years later she has improved a lot in performance on the bed. Will send you pic and you can see if your taste at all or completely not.
Meanwhile last night took a 3 some 37 YO slim girl still very sexy (I did not know she was quite that old) and 21 YO with big tits, sort of opposite to the MILF and daughter fantasy. LOL The older girl had the tighter pussy (despite a child). Wasn't the first time with these 2, so I knew they would be good. The young has a temporary problem to do blow job so the older one had to take the cock sucking duties with young one on the balls licking. Worked out just fine.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2214651]Will send you pic .[/QUOTE]Why not post it here for us all to see? I'm curious about her nose. I'm sure you would agree, that's the most critical feature of any woman.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2214651]For most guys, young plus good body = stunning, but not at all for me. The face matters. Took a skinny Laos girl yesterday that is excessively cute in the face for my taste, but may not be for others. Small tits but nice shape. She once worked an MP around Soi 24, but cannot now as is Laos. I met her as a newbie with low skills, but 2 years later she has improved a lot in performance on the bed. Will send you pic and you can see if your taste at all or completely not.[/QUOTE]Thanks she's very cute facially. I would certainly go with her if she were at Thermae, a BKK oily, or on Soi 6 in Pattaya. I'm a face guy. A girl can have the best body in the world but if I can't get by the face I don't even look twice at her.
Yes, we definitely have different taste in Thai women. You have what I call Farang taste and I have Asian taste same as the Korean and Japanese men. Although there is some crossover like the Laos girl photo you sent me, for the most part we would never compete for the same girl in Thailand and even Germany.
What is BBK's most posh brothel? I'm looking for quality in terms of girls, atmosphere and service.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2214296]Venezuela is a no go right now. The country is disintegrating and very dangerous at the moment. The time to go will be after somebody puts a bullet in Maduro's head and the rule of law and order is restored so that the nation can begin its long road back to economic sanity. We have not seen rock bottom yet. Meanwhile the price of Venezuelan poontang in Caracas is dirt cheap. The people have no money or even adequate food. Prices in hard currency will remain extraordinarily cheap for a good while after the coup or military intervention, so there will be plenty of time to go visit.
PS. We have plenty of hot Venezuelan girls in Miami, unfortunately prices are very expensive here.[/QUOTE]And that is exactly what would make it probably the best P4 P destination on the planet at the moment. The time to go is when others won't.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2214171]We should have had this discussion last year when we hung out together about "what actually is a stunner 9+" Do you consider the girl I fucked at the Lord's Palace a 9 and above stunner? What about some of the girls I pointed to at Baccara? To me this girl in the photos is very stunning (slightly bigger tits and ass than I usually like). You are going to have to kind of list the qualities you see in a top tier girl in order for most guys to give input. Perhaps even show us an example. Also by now, I think you know whose opinion really counts and whose doesn't, when it comes hot girls and taste. Right?
P.S. Do you remember the story I told you about the scary hateful trolls that come out from under the bridge in search of young good looking Asian guys? Try not to let them eat you.[/QUOTE]Like the skin color but don't like the surgeries. Face looks very "fake. " Nose job is very sharp, lips thin, and body looks very soft as well (I like a gal who is toned). I like a more natural looking face, for lack of a better term. I have no issue with implants as long as they are the teardrop shaped ones and look natural.
I am surprised that you don't partake in China, HK, and Macau. The gals are much fairer and will look similar to this gal without the surgery.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2214929]And that is exactly what would make it probably the best P4 P destination on the planet at the moment. The time to go is when others won't.[/QUOTE]Those of us of a certain age will remember Asia in the late 80's and 90's where a series of dictators collapsed and the general region was then gripped by a Financial Crisis. Shots were fired, buildings burned and millions fell back / further into poverty.
Many would get a sense of deja vu with what is happening in Venezuela now.
[QUOTE=TKOman;2214902]What is BBK's most posh brothel? I'm looking for quality in terms of girls, atmosphere and service.[/QUOTE]Someone may know of higher end places but I'm guessing it would either be a G club like The Pimp. I'm sure some of the KTV places on Thaniya Road are more high end than the usual places reported on here. If you go please report back on either since reports on these types of places are few and far between. I'm assuming posh means you are not on a restricted budget.
[URL]https://www.facebook.com/ThePimpBangkok[/URL]
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2214930]Like the skin color but don't like the surgeries. Face looks very "fake. " Nose job is very sharp, lips thin, and body looks very soft as well (I like a gal who is toned). I like a more natural looking face, for lack of a better term. [/QUOTE]Yep what is a stunner for one does not do it for you nor for me. Pic 3 is especially weird for me. As most know, I have a problem with the surgeries look too, while I can accept implants if very soft and not too misshaped. Skin colour is not factor me really, if not excessively dark or excessively light.
Being stunning is not about skin colour for me.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2215021]Pic 3 is especially weird for me.[/QUOTE]Very likely a post op lady boy.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2214938]Those of us of a certain age will remember Asia in the late 80's and 90's where a series of dictators collapsed and the general region was then gripped by a Financial Crisis. Shots were fired, buildings burned and millions fell back / further into poverty.
[/QUOTE]Yes the price for a girl for the night back in 91 was 500 Baht for the night or maybe even 400 plus a BF of maybe 160 Baht. You truly had to pay girls to get them to leave, sometimes. They did not want to leave, ever. The is probably a statement about economic tough times and general poverty. Their were no mobile phones for girls. I recall really great times at bars and soapies. Girls had good figures due to lack of junk food I guess.
So it's all gone to shit now somewhat, due to junk food, smart phones, inflation, tourists with a lot of cash to waste, ladyboys and Coyotes filling the Cowboy, etc. , also the punters like me get a lot fussier than we used to be. Any young Thai girl used to seem hot compared to typical fat Farang girls back home.
Anand Panyarachun was the benevolent scientist PM appointed as caretaker PM in maybe 91 or 92 or so. Anand was actually a very welcome guy but did not stand for elections. I guess that was not so long after the famous coup incident at the Ratanakosin Hotel. Nope that can't be right, that incident must have been later since I had previously stayed at that Hotel. Prajinda got booted out from being the dictator (by you know who) at some point (I guess later 90's). My timeline is sketchy now.
I don't see though that the lastest financial crises really helped us out much though. The previous one was seeing 40 to 50 Baht to the US Dollar. That was good for mongers but could not last. It was a fantastic time to buy cheap property in Bangkok though if you were Thai or had other ways.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2215023]Very likely a post op lady boy.[/QUOTE]I would not go that far, but in general high surgeries girls remind me of ladyboys, a lot, especially in Bacarra bar. Yet can be popular with the Japanese customers the ones that look like LBs to me. So it is a big turn off, from my sexual desire.
I have nothing against ladyboys if charming, to talk to, but I imagine most of us on this forum are not into "dick". I even fast forward in porn if get to a blow job section. Seeing the dick is just not exciting for me at all.
The short time Hotel in Soi Asoke has a lot of Asian guy customers, and I would estimate that 70 to 80% of them are with a ladyboy rather than a real girl. Can be a shock to see several real girls there at one time (other than my girl). I assume that Japanese guys are too shy to take LB back to there normal Hotel or abode, so the reason for so many LBs in the ST Hotel.
O.K. with high surgeries, sometimes I cannot be sure, but think 90% likely LB. Usually my girl agrees they are LBs (in a whisper). Thai society seems to find it impolite to be speculating if the companion is a LB or not. Strange.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2214513]......I know you are an experienced FKK guy like myself but I've been pretty hard pressed to find many 9's in a FKK club for some years. Used to be commonplace at GT and Oase 5+ years ago. Which clubs have you been seeing the 9's? My style is along the lines of Adele when she first started at Samya 5 years ago (now possibly at Mainhattan) and Luana when she first started at LR. Super pale white skin and busty with a cute face. With the decline of the German girls like Sam and Leoni at GT or Kitty at ACA it's tough for me to return. It's all Romanian all day long now but I'd love to see Madalina at ACA, Ramona at Oase, or Beatriz at Mondial again.[/QUOTE]Well, like myself, you have sampled FKKs during what I would refer to as the really great times which were the years leading up to 2012. It is not possible to relive those days presently. The club I enjoyed the most during the last 3 months was Sharks where there were a few 9's the best of which in my books was Esther. However, the down side is that all the 9's were Asian hunters and delivered less than desirable service, however, the optic factor was available. Oase also had a few 9's which for me the best was Katrrina (some guys don't like her face but I do), she's tall and slender and gave me good service for 100 euros / 1 hour. Globe in Switzerland is reputed to have some 9's who give good service but I did not venture there due to its pricyness. I have also been informed that Wellcum FKK also has a few 9's.
I was in Brazil for 3 months earlier this year in search of 9's but did not find any. Like FKKs the quality has deteriorated; as recently as last year and the year before I found a few but was only able to manage some 6's and 7's and perhaps one or two 8's this year. The upper end boites like Scandallo and Bomboa in Sao Paulo are reputed to have some 9's. Prior to 2010 I was able to session some 9's in Medellin Colombia but have only encountered 1 since then in Loutrons. I don't frequent Fase Dos and other similar nightclubs where it is rumoured 9's are to be found. There is mention of top level girls on the Montreal board but I have not been able to summon the mental financial gumption to sample there. I have never been to Macau and I think that might be a destination I would visit to once again experience the elusive 9.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2215013]Someone may know of higher end places but I'm guessing it would either be a G club like The Pimp. I'm sure some of the KTV places on Thaniya Road are more high end than the usual places reported on here.[/QUOTE]Neither of them are brothels. You throw a ridiculous amount of money at those girls but you still won't get any sex from them until you are their regular and de-facto sugar daddy / BF. You might get a BJ if you rent one of the VIP rooms with your buddies and throw a big party, plus tipping the girl generously for the BJ. But what's the point?
I've been to these places quite some times. Not because I like it there, but to entertain clients, staff, or being invited by the bosses. I always get mad, even when I don't have to pay the five to six digit Baht bill myself, because it just seems wrong that a girl with the intellect of a piece of bread would get a shit load of money for drinking your bottle and faking interest in you. They're not even fun to be with because they're as stupid and uneducated as any other working girl. For some reason, Asian guys seem to love these places. I know guys who have memberships in several of these clubs. They go there like every weekend to see "their" girls.
I don't even think girls in these places are particularly high-end. The last time I went to The Pimp a few weeks back, I thought girls were pretty average.
[QUOTE=Amnesia;2215124]I don't even think girls in these places are particularly high-end. The last time I went to The Pimp a few weeks back, I thought girls were pretty average.[/QUOTE]The G Club culture is different from the Go Go culture. Successful foreign Asian businessmen and wealthy Thai's like to entertain their clients, associates and friends in these elite high class honky tonks. The idea is the more you spend on drink and the girl's company for the benefit of your guests, the more successful a businessman you are in their eyes. It is smart business and good customer/client relations Asian style. These guys can even write off the tab as a business expense. Other club members are simply wealthy and don't care what a night out costs as long as they are having a good time with their friends in a high class bordello. La Belle and The Lord (in it's day) offered private memberships too. There were nights when I have seen over 20 girls taken out of the lineup for a private party God knows where elsewhere on the premises leaving only the dregs available for the rest of us. Membership has its privileges.
On the other hand, I would tend to agree with you that most of the Pimp Club girls, for example, are not above the better Go Go quality girls even though they are from a different region of Thailand. But there are a few exceptions that stand out in the looks department. Thus, developing a relationship with one of the standouts is the reason why a solo Farang punter like myself might consider paying up and becoming a member at one of these joints. I have not done it yet, LOL, in all my years of visiting BKK, but I haven't ruled it out either. Think of the membership fee and the cost of visiting the club as an initial capital sexual investment. Once you have the G girl of your desire, a standout, and by have I mean once you have shagged her once or twice, you no longer need to visit the club and the G club girl is not that much more expensive than any other really good looking, light skinned, model category Thai hooker. Around 6000 to 9000 baht per shot depending on the girl.
[QUOTE=Amnesia;2215124]I don't even think girls in these places are particularly high-end. The last time I went to The Pimp a few weeks back, I thought girls were pretty average.[/QUOTE]I listed these places because the OP was ISO 'posh'. Girls looks are subjective and, as Natty said, you can likely find girls as hot at a good gogo bar. However, gogo bars are not what I would ever consider 'posh'.
I spent my 20's and early 30's in many karaoke rooms when I was in the business world. I know all too well the games those girls play. Surprised they are not FS here. We used to always take karaoke girls home for sex.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2215293]I listed these places because the OP was ISO 'posh'. Girls looks are subjective and, as Natty said, you can likely find girls as hot at a good gogo bar. However, gogo bars are not what I would ever consider 'posh'.
I spent my 20's and early 30's in many karaoke rooms when I was in the business world. I know all too well the games those girls play. Surprised they are not FS here. We used to always take karaoke girls home for sex.[/QUOTE]Who said they aren't full service? I've been to Thaniya inside the karaoke clubs 3 times in 2016. Each time I took a girl out at back to my room for sex afterwards. I paid 5,000 each time for the girl to stay until the next day. I never take anybody's word on here as definite. Every members should begin their responses with "From my own personal experience OR In my opinion. " Less confusion.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2214930]Like the skin color but don't like the surgeries. Face looks very "fake. " Nose job is very sharp, lips thin, and body looks very soft as well (I like a gal who is toned). I like a more natural looking face, for lack of a better term. I have no issue with implants as long as they are the teardrop shaped ones and look natural.
I am surprised that you don't partake in China, HK, and Macau. The gals are much fairer and will look similar to this gal without the surgery.[/QUOTE]The most I'm allowed to do now in HK is a massage, and then I have to do it with a towel covering my head and face. I've done fairly attractive girls every where in the world. And paying for sex is too easy that way. I keep telling folks, it's about "the chase" for me. Nothing more thrilling then having a set budget for the night, usually about 10,000 a night. Going to hunt in the Go Go bars and then trying to get the exact girl you want, first choice. And then playing games with her or them to get the BEST experience for you. When you have accomplish that, you know you have also beaten out the other customers who want that same girl (s) in doing so. Some of who better looking and with a shit load of money more than I have. You feel accomplished. That's why I mainly do Go Go bars in Thailand. It's about winning against everybody. But yes, there are hotter girls in other establishments and countries for sure. But there is no game playing. Selecting a girl and fucking her, even a newbie can do and it takes no street smarts or any game playing, like the Go Gos. However, you cannot see them naked before you take the plunge. Being a stunner is more than just face. It's the overall body of work. Don't know how many times, I've taken girls fully dressed because of a pretty face and then I got disappointed by their tits or ass or stomach. This doesn't happen at the Go Go bars. Full inspection for those who are lucky enough to get to inspect the goods.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2215173] really good looking, light skinned, model category Thai hooker. Around 6000 to 9000 baht per shot depending on the girl.[/QUOTE]Yikes for that kind of money she better give me porn star quality service all night long and in the morning, vids, pics, CIM, the works. Even then I've never paid that much in my life. The average cost should be the equivalent of $50 USD IMHO. I'm willing to go up to $100 for top quality but geez it's only sex. Cheers, buddy.
[QUOTE=DCups;2215448]Yikes for that kind of money she better give me porn star quality service all night long and in the morning, vids, pics, CIM, the works. Even then I've never paid that much in my life. The average cost should be the equivalent of $50 USD IMHO. I'm willing to go up to $100 for top quality but geez it's only sex. Cheers, buddy.[/QUOTE]From my own experience, I agree somewhat. For some, it's only sex. And of course for others, it's only money. Which ones are the luckier ones? The ones who have fun while not caring too much about either, sex nor money. That type of guy has sex probably everyday, with a different girl or two, and doesn't give a shit about money because he just changes the girls out anyways, good service, bad service, GFE, PSE etc. No matter what they do or how well they perform, new top quality girls will always come and go endlessly his way, unless there is divine intervention.
[QUOTE=DCups;2215448]Yikes for that kind of money she better give me porn star quality service all night long and in the morning, vids, pics, CIM, the works. Even then I've never paid that much in my life. The average cost should be the equivalent of $50 USD IMHO. I'm willing to go up to $100 for top quality but geez it's only sex. Cheers, buddy.[/QUOTE]Our boy Trump pays $130,000 to keep them quiet. But $300 to $900 is just way to much to pay for sex. My golf buddies go to Machu and they pay $250.00 for club fee and a lady of their choice. Ladies from many different countries. I'm sure that our senior members have had the pleasure. But in SEA to pay that much is insane.
You can in your own mind believe you are the "Great White Hunter on Safari" but the bottom line is a 6 or 7 can be so much better than a 9 or 10. Performance wise. For $200.00 less. Although it sounds like fun leaving the hotel with the Great Hunt goal.
RL.
[QUOTE=DCups;2215448]Yikes for that kind of money she better give me porn star quality service all night long and in the morning, vids, pics, CIM, the works. Even then I've never paid that much in my life. The average cost should be the equivalent of $50 USD IMHO. I'm willing to go up to $100 for top quality but geez it's only sex. Cheers, buddy.[/QUOTE]That's why I never bought a membership at one of these joints even when the club was offering a 5 bottle discount or something. And remember, more than half the G club girls are not available for barfine. They are in-house VIP room only girls and offer only the possibility of hooking up later if everything goes well. So guess which half of the girls are barfinable and which are not? 555. Then again, everyone has different tastes and the salient point I am trying to make is that some girls are barfinable. So it is best to ask your hostess which ones are before asking a girl or girls to sit with you unless you are playing the long game and looking for a standout. I should add that in addition, these clubs have shot glass girls that come around offering unoccupied guests Tequila shots in exchange for a little public hanky panky. It is good fun if you have plenty of cash.
Incidentally, they have the same type of clubs in Manila. They are called KTV's, but do not confuse them with the small KTV shops in Malate. To distinguish the difference, I call the big fancy ones International Clubs. Airforce One is a famous example. I have been to AF1 many times, but I always played it simple and went downstairs to their soapy massage parlor called Flight 168 settling for less hype & glitz, but a definite, much less expensive, sure thing.
One night after an enjoyable Flight 168 session with a pretty 6 star girl, I wandered into AF1 and a friendly host or manager took me under his wing and showed me around the place. It was still a little early for the show, so he took me backstage to the girl's makeup & wardrobe room and Jesus, God all mighty, I spotted a true stunner (8.5 stars) there. She smiled at me and I went over and had a little conversation with her. She was really very friendly and unpretentious which I liked a lot, but basically she said that if I was interested in her I would have to stick around for the show and buy her drinks ect, ect, ect. I was mightily tempted by her beauty and friendly personality in-spite of the fact that I had just had a very good session with a cute executive class massage girl. But since I knew the capital outlay to nab Miss Superstar would have run in excess of 12,000 pesos, probably closer to 20,000, I told her I would come back another night to see her. She gave me one of those "you don't know what you are missing" looks and I left a little reluctantly with my dick still in my pants. Little Natty never got over big Natty's decision. LOL.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2215558]Our boy Trump pays $130,000 to keep them quiet. But $300 to $900 is just way to much to pay for sex. My golf buddies go to Machu and they pay $250.00 for club fee and a lady of their choice. Ladies from many different countries. I'm sure that our senior members have had the pleasure. But in SEA to pay that much is insane.
You can in your own mind believe you are the "Great White Hunter on Safari" but the bottom line is a 6 or 7 can be so much better than a 9 or 10. Performance wise. For $200.00 less. Although it sounds like fun leaving the hotel with the Great Hunt goal.
RL.[/QUOTE]What amazes me about this whole bS affair is not the amount of money involved. Trump has billions. He could pay a G Club girl 25,000 baht all inclusive for club membership, drinks, VIP room, and boom boom without batting an eye lid. And then he would offer an additional 100,00 baht for a non disclosure agreement. This is small change for a billionaire of any nationality. Remember Charlie Sheen's standard non disclosure clauses and he had far less money than Trump.
What amazes me is how friggin' fuglly Stormy is. That skank would have to pay me $130,000 to shag her! OK, I exaggerate and I am cheap. In reality, I would throw back a few Tequilas and shag her for a couple of grand. DATY, of course, would be extra.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2215572]What amazes me about this whole bS affair is not the amount of money involved. Trump has billions. He could pay a G Club girl 25,000 baht all inclusive for club membership, drinks, VIP room, and boom boom without batting an eye lid. And then he would offer an additional 100,00 baht for a non disclosure agreement. This is small change for a billionaire of any nationality.[/QUOTE]Except President Cheeto-lini has been a notorious deadbeat all of his adult life, stiffing employees and companies he bamboozled into doing business with him for far less than $130,000. I'm guessing he batted his eye lids quite a lot when he had to actually pay that barine or risk losing the election and getting the cold shoulder from Melania for a month or more.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2215572].............What amazes me is how friggin' fuglly Stormy is. That skank would have to pay me $130,000 to shag her! OK, I exaggerate and I am cheap. In reality, I would throw back a few Tequilas and shag her for a couple of grand. DATY, of course, would be extra.[/QUOTE]Its amazing how tastes differ. I'd pay good money to do everything sexual with her and more. Stormy has that sexy mom next door look that I fantasized on as a teen.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2215596]Its amazing how tastes differ. I'd pay good money to do everything sexual with her and more. Stormy has that sexy mom next door look that I fantasized on as a teen.[/QUOTE]Good one! You made me laugh. But if you are looking for wild crazy Mom bitches what about Ellen Barkin in "Animal Kingdom"? It is hard to believe that it is the same actress I used to have a hard on for in "Sea of Love" among other movies back in 80's.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2215605]Good one! You made me laugh. But if you are looking for wild crazy Mom bitches what about Ellen Barkin in "Animal Kingdom"? It is hard to believe that it is the same actress I used to have a hard on for in "Sea of Love" among other movies back in 80's.[/QUOTE]I agree about Stormy a bit chunky and not that pretty. LOL I remember "Sea of Love" very well. Ellen was skinny but surely not specially pretty. Just steaming hot! (1989 is a long while back even before I started coming to Thailand). I would prefer Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct, myself, for that sort of era. All these girls get old of course. Sharon is just under my age, which is too old for me now, but I would make an exception I guess, If I could ignore the implants. LOL I once had a Thai GF (for a short while) whose face shape was somewhat similar to Sharon. She was good on the bed but too crazy (a bit like in Basic Instinct LOL).
[QUOTE=Turgid;2215596]Its amazing how tastes differ. I'd pay good money to do everything sexual with her and more. Stormy has that sexy mom next door look that I fantasized on as a teen.[/QUOTE]I do think she's still shaggable these days even though she's 40 years old. Trump shagged her in her prime though when she was mid 20's and she was pretty damn hot back then. Any red blooded man would have shagged her back then. I much prefer that other one Trump was with, Karen McDougal. Smoking hot. That being said, I'd still prefer Ivanka or Tiffany Trump over any of them. Stunners.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2215802]I do think she's still shaggable these days even though she's 40 years old. Trump shagged her in her prime though when she was mid 20's and she was pretty damn hot back then. Any red blooded man would have shagged her back then. I much prefer that other one Trump was with, Karen McDougal. Smoking hot. That being said, I'd still prefer Ivanka or Tiffany Trump over any of them. Stunners.[/QUOTE]I Stormy Daniels is coming to one of the Gentleman's clubs in Sacramento where I live in October and I think I will go and see her. This particular place has booths in the back for hanky panky. She gives a nice BJ in her films.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2215303]The most I'm allowed to do now in HK is a massage, and then I have to do it with a towel covering my head and face. I've done fairly attractive girls every where in the world. And paying for sex is too easy that way. I keep telling folks, it's about "the chase" for me. Nothing more thrilling then having a set budget for the night, usually about 10,000 a night. Going to hunt in the Go Go bars and then trying to get the exact girl you want, first choice. And then playing games with her or them to get the BEST experience for you. When you have accomplish that, you know you have also beaten out the other customers who want that same girl (s) in doing so. Some of who better looking and with a shit load of money more than I have. You feel accomplished. That's why I mainly do Go Go bars in Thailand. It's about winning against everybody. But yes, there are hotter girls in other establishments and countries for sure. But there is no game playing. Selecting a girl and fucking her, even a newbie can do and it takes no street smarts or any game playing, like the Go Gos. However, you cannot see them naked before you take the plunge. Being a stunner is more than just face. It's the overall body of work. Don't know how many times, I've taken girls fully dressed because of a pretty face and then I got disappointed by their tits or ass or stomach. This doesn't happen at the Go Go bars. Full inspection for those who are lucky enough to get to inspect the goods.[/QUOTE]Honestly, if I wanted to "compete" I wouldn't pay for it and would have stayed in the US. For me that defeats the point of P4 P. I don't have any need to feel accomplished. There are other aspects of my life that satisfy that in full. P4 P for the majority of punters I know is about ease and fun, not competition.
[QUOTE=DCups;2215448]Yikes for that kind of money she better give me porn star quality service all night long and in the morning, vids, pics, CIM, the works. Even then I've never paid that much in my life. The average cost should be the equivalent of $50 USD IMHO. I'm willing to go up to $100 for top quality but geez it's only sex. Cheers, buddy.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2215303]The most I'm allowed to do now in HK is a massage, and then I have to do it with a towel covering my head and face. I've done fairly attractive girls every where in the world. And paying for sex is too easy that way. I keep telling folks, it's about "the chase" for me. Nothing more thrilling then having a set budget for the night, usually about 10,000 a night. Going to hunt in the Go Go bars and then trying to get the exact girl you want, first choice. And then playing games with her or them to get the BEST experience for you. When you have accomplish that, you know you have also beaten out the other customers who want that same girl (s) in doing so. Some of who better looking and with a shit load of money more than I have. You feel accomplished. That's why I mainly do Go Go bars in Thailand. It's about winning against everybody. But yes, there are hotter girls in other establishments and countries for sure. But there is no game playing. Selecting a girl and fucking her, even a newbie can do and it takes no street smarts or any game playing, like the Go Gos. However, you cannot see them naked before you take the plunge. Being a stunner is more than just face. It's the overall body of work. Don't know how many times, I've taken girls fully dressed because of a pretty face and then I got disappointed by their tits or ass or stomach. This doesn't happen at the Go Go bars. Full inspection for those who are lucky enough to get to inspect the goods.[/QUOTE]100% agree, I love the chase more than anything. One time in Phuket I ended up shagging a girls from devils playground and had her pay my taxi home. Even though she wasn't a stunner I just love the accomplished feeling of turning the tables on a gogo girl.
P4P is fun, but I always want something others are not getting.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2215303]I've done fairly attractive girls every where in the world. And paying for sex is too easy that way. I keep telling folks, it's about "the chase" for me. Nothing more thrilling then having a set budget for the night, usually about 10,000 a night. Going to hunt in the Go Go bars and then trying to get the exact girl you want, first choice. And then playing games with her or them to get the BEST experience for you. When you have accomplish that, you know you have also beaten out the other customers who want that same girl (s) in doing so. Some of who better looking and with a shit load of money more than I have. You feel accomplished. That's why I mainly do Go Go bars in Thailand. It's about winning against everybody. But yes, there are hotter girls in other establishments and countries for sure. But there is no game playing. Selecting a girl and fucking her, even a newbie can do and it takes no street smarts or any game playing, like the Go Gos. However, you cannot see them naked before you take the plunge. Being a stunner is more than just face. It's the overall body of work. Don't know how many times, I've taken girls fully dressed because of a pretty face and then I got disappointed by their tits or ass or stomach. This doesn't happen at the Go Go bars. Full inspection for those who are lucky enough to get to inspect the goods.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Julianity;2215871]100% agree, I love the chase more than anything. One time in Phuket I ended up shagging a girls from devils playground and had her pay my taxi home. Even though she wasn't a stunner I just love the accomplished feeling of turning the tables on a gogo girl.
P4P is fun, but I always want something others are not getting.[/QUOTE]On a typical, tropical, out of high season night at around 9 pm, there will usually be IMHO and experience at least 2 or 3 desirable, unattached girls in each of my 3 favorite Cowboy Go Go's, 2 or 3 desirable, unattached girls in my 3 favorite Nana Go Go's, and 2 or 3 desirable, unattached girls in my 2 favorite Patpong Go Go's. That's conservatively at least 16 desirable, unattached Go Go girls available to me on any ordinary night on just the Go Go circuit. So, I honestly don't know what the hell you guys are talking about. There is no competition with other punters. It is only in your head. Other punters, as far as I am concerned, don't even exist. There is only the girls, the staff, the mamas, and yours truly. And I am entirely focused on the girls and having a good time with them. I have no time or inclination for games. I have said it many times. I will say it again now: if you treat the girls nice and they will return the favor a hundred-fold. It is that simple.