Manila

To Whom It May Concern,

Old Pampangan wise man say: "Do not accept invitation to mud-wrestling contest with pig. All get dirty; pig is happy."

Though the adjective "silly" sure does hit the mark, I actually don't think any sort of a debate has been had by anyone, and I don't think the unsavory odor on the board the past two weeks has been about LA Cafe, Manila, Filipinas, the RP, or anything else. A few emotionally immature loudmouths recently blew into town and immediately provoked a childish flame war, hijacking this board from everyone else. It isn't about anything of substance at all, just a few individuals' desire to make noise for no particular purpose, using whatever pretext is at hand. My take is that the original motivation is similar to the deviant thrill a vandal gets from his fleeting illusion of importance when he throws a rock through his neighbor's window. I think nearly all of us look forward to the few ill-mannered children blowing back out of town so this useful resource can return to it's former status as a helpful means of information sharing among civil adults in an atmosphere of mutual respect.

I see that through similarly confrontational intemperate remarks one of the participants has managed to engage in similar disputes on three continents in four months. For me that explains the mystery of how it was so easy for one to become so authoritative on how things really are in Manila in less time than it took to refuel the plane he came in on. I suspect that an attempt to clean up this kind of thing through tactful discourse, reasoned appeal, and direct substantive reply to the individuals will prove about as productive as trying to vacuum a cat. Allow me to suggest that silence and deliberate neglect may eventually suffice where a normal healthy sense of shame is apparently absent. One of them may feel contrite about rising to the bait after a few weeks of calm reflection. The others can just be elsewhere. So many continents, only so much adolescent arrogance to spread around. I think the Antarctic board may be just dying for some jazzing up with some dismissive corrections from overnight experts. Bon voyage, and if you need help with your bags a great many folks will be pleased to oblige, sirs.

Just two Centavos worth from a wastrel.

Gentlemen,

I finally got the chance to see the LA Cafe for myself recently. I was in Manila for a few days and remembered seeing something on this forum about the place (Though the great debate had not begun yet). I was lucky that a colleague knew where it was (about a km from my hotel), and he'd already chatted up the waitresses and knew a little about the mechanics of the place.

My only complaint about the "cafe" is that they were out of Crispy Patas the one night we really wanted them. To their credit, We talked Mike (night mgr) in to going across the street to Jurassic Park and seeing if they had any. No luck.

Of the three nights I was there (Left early one night to scope out the action in other realms), two of those nights I was accompanied back to my hotel by a nice young lady.

The first night it was a nice looking single mother who cared for her grandfather, had an invalid grandmother, dead parents and her birthday was tomorrow (Go figure!) Even though I didn't fall for the lines, we had a good time for a couple reasons:

1. She fed me french fries (I love this).
2. She stated early on that she was a freelancer.
3. She could name the artists singing the songs playing before I could.

She had a great face and nice body and said the price was going to be up to me as to what I wanted to pay, depending on my satisfaction.

So we left, went to the hotel and had a great time.

Next night was the night that the waitresses seemed VERY friendly, leaning on me, hanging around my table, joking and of course, rubbing my shoulders. I was tempted to take one home (Melinda? Melissa?) but there was this ONE girl a few tables away that was just enchanting. She had been chatted up by 5 different guys before I asked Melinda about her. I found out that she used to be a waitress at the LA Cafe, but was no longer working.

This girl was just TOO cute. Younger than I normally pay attention to but old enough to have a very sexy look. Melinda went over and told her that I was interested and it only took a few minutes for her to come over. This should say a lot. Any other girl in the place would have been there the second I looked at her twice.

Her name is Karen and she looked even younger up close, and shy was a bit shy at first but she too, liked to feed me french fries.

After talking for awhile, and not even discussing money, we went back to the hotel. Had a very nice time again, though she was a bit shy and not as experienced as the girl the night before.

So, since I don't want to fuel the debate, I'll just do what I should do, add a few photos:

One other of Karen (Without makeup. Do I have to say why?) She's looking like shoe could go a couple more rounds.

Since Karen was shy and didn't want me to take nekkid photos of her. Here's my other LA Cafe take-home.

And a little better shot.

One final, she didn't mind being a model.

Really, FS. Balut? Yuk! But then I do like durian. Taste like heaven, smells like hell. No, I don't like my pussy that way either. :))

Cute post, wastrel. And on target so far as characterizing the mud-slinging on the now notorious LA Café. Though it may not have been information bearing (the purported purpose for this board) I think that readers probably enjoy our 'debate'. The board hasn’t been ‘hijacked’ yet, but there are some loud passengers on board.

I just discovered WSG Forum, and think it’s a great resource. It should be entertaining as well as informative (and judging from Jackson’s bandwidth problems is both). Nothing wrong with a few brawls to keep the readers enthused.

Interesting that you brought up the point on 5 continents – Juniour DOES seem to get around. I enjoy his posts: they are informative, often with pics. Mikster and Dragon Slayer, on the other hand are local boys – it seems they spend all their travels in Manila.

So I suspect a different dynamic is at work: Juniour and I came into a small town (Manila) and reviewed it from a more urbane perspective. Looking back at the posts, I think both of us provide lots of info with an objective voice.

But, in a small town, you don’t simply waltz in and impugn the beauty of the local girls. Even if they are fat, ugly and hairy, they may be someone’s sister.

Mikster and Dragon Slayer (by Mikster’s own admission) disliked our observations on the PI, yanked our chains with some well placed aspersions, and we pushed back. Nothing personal, just alpha male behaviour (wouldn’t you expect that on a forum called World Sex Guide / ).

What now / The LA Café thread is tedious. I’ll have to find something else in the PI to disparage. It shouldn’t be too hard, given that the PI is the low rent neighborhood of Asia. I’d rather be in China (and am, by gosh! ). Yeh, English and Spanish (the locals call it Tagalog) are spoken in the PI, so it’s more like being in LA (the city, not the café). But the girls are cuter, less hirsute and cleaner in China, Thailand, etc.

Oh, sorry, was that your sister / Ouch!

Kudos, Wiley. You’ve finally added some objectivity to the ‘debate’ (though I use that word guardedly). And Karen is cute; she’s got my approval.

Well, it’s clear to me from recent discussions in pursuit of 500P Manila beauty queens that beauty truly IS in the eye of the monger. Here’s the problem. Those of you conversant in psychometrics know that 10-point scales (what are known as Likert scales in the lingo) are verboten, because they have a mid-point (5 for the mathematically challenged). An acceptable Likert scaling (see http://trochim.human.cornell.edu/kb/scallik.htm) requires an odd number, preferably 5 or 7 points.

Therefore as a public service, I want to put forth my modest proposal for a uniform 5-point Likert scale for barroom beauties. This should greatly reduce confusion in future posts. (For the mathematically challenged, divide your 10-point valuation by 2 to get the Likert ranking).

Reference benchmark for Manila mongering (with LT charge):

1=Manila wetmarket poultry (100P), and wear a condom as there are nasty strains of Avian flu floating around Manila. Oh, and cook well before eating.

2= Charlize Theron in “Monster” or your average Filipina domestic (500P-1000P), bring your own condom

3=Karen, or the better P. Burgos girls (1000P-5000P), best to slip on a raincoat

4= Quezon City superstars (5000-20KP), condoms optional

5= Charlize Theron at the Oscars (if you need to ask, you can’t afford it)

Flame away!

Okay, ONE MORE TIME!

Can someone who knows can tell me if there is any leftover baggage departments in either the domestic or international airport. I leave for Manilla in like 2 days and need an answer.

If anyone knows, will be grateful :).

Wiley,

A big thank you for your unbiased opinions and observations, I am with Han Bali on this one, we should have a few varied opinions about various venues and leave it up to the audience to decide and not try to impose your opinions on others.

One problem through the whole of this board is that of the proliferation of [b]”False Information”[/b] and let me tell you I have seen some really wild claims; some of these people that make these claims should be man enough to at least back up their claims, instead of saying: "just take my word for it". These guys claim to find the 8s & 9s beauties and spend all night with them and pay them pittance, if that, when they kick them out in the morning, (their words not mine) then when you questions them about their claims they get all defensive. I asked to see the photos of this “so-called” beauty queen and one guy said the girl, he’d paid only 500 Pesos to didn’t want him to show them to anyone,[i](where did he leave his balls?)[/i] like she is really sitting there at home on her computer, searching the net for her image; also conveniently forgetting that he could also have masked their identity, like I have done and not have given their correct names – So obviously when people read this information, who have been to these places themselves and seen what is really on offer, you can bet we’re sceptical and suspicious about such claims?

The whole idea about this board is to share your experiences, “good or bad”, not your tall stories; there are plenty of other channels for that.

Only one thing though Han Bali; Miskster has only been to the Philippines once, earlier this year for a couple of weeks – so this hardly ranks him as a local boy or expert, despite his high opinion of himself.

So thanks Wiley – just loved your post, so I guess that’s one up for the LA Café.

Juiniour

[i]Oh and before anyone pipes up about my conclusions in the Angeles City board about “seven girls to one guy”, I admit its more of a phrase than fact, if you want to string me up in Manila Bay and gives me 10,000 lashed at dawn for my indiscretions, then so be it guys; but I post about my experiences. That’s all I have to say on the subject.[/i]

Fellas,

I thought me and Juniour had this thing worked out over on the AC board, but he cant seem to let it go. I dont want to start anything again, but he seems to think his opinion is superior to mine.

He was just recently lecturing me on the morality, exploitation, and how to treat women. I told him that I didnt post the photos because the girls who's photos I took, asked me not to post them. They were worried they would end up on a porn site or something so I havent done it. So, if I did post them after promising not to juniour, wouldnt this be exploiting them as you seem so against? They didnt say post my photo, but black out my face, they asked me NOT to post them. So I didnt. If you dont believe my exploits in AC, go to the Ponderosa Hotel next time and ask about Mike from USA who had the ladies parked outside the entrance at all times waiting for him. The people who work there know about my escapades.

So you are saying that there are no beauty queens for P500. Let me nicely remind you, since you dont seem to remember, that the barfine in AC is P1000 and the girl gets P500. So you are paying P500 for the girl. Do you understand this juniour? Do I need to explain this in greater detail so you can understand fully? Therefore, you are saying there are no 8, 9, or 10 girls in AC? Ok, sorry you had such bad luck but that doesnt apply to the rest of us. So juniour, saying lots of men pay P500 for hot girls is a FACT not opinion. Get it?

As far as mininformation, I havent given any. They are my opinions, and they jive with the majority of the members on this board who overwhelmingly agree with me about LA Cafe and what you can get there. You on the other hand made a statement of fact that there are 7 girls born to every boy. This was not your opinion, you wrote it in bold face and underlined it if I remember correctly. There are other examples, but I will leave it at that.

There is no such thing as an unbiased opinion, including yours and mine. We all have biases so unbiased reporting does not exist.

As far as being an expert, I believe just about anyone can become an expert at AC in a very short time. There isnt that much to learn, except in your case maybe when you start dating so called regular girls there and buy them things and believe everything they tell you. Maybe you do have more to learn. So, I am not on expert on Manila, or Makati, or other areas, but one trip goes a long way and I felt quite comfortable there after two weeks. I certainly didnt go to LA Cafe and act like a pussy as you did and feel threatened or defame everyone in there by lumping all the patrons into one disreputable category. Is this how you respect the people of the RP my friend?

Your right about one thing though, I do have a very high opinion of myself and so do the ladies. They can see I am a man who is not stupid enough to pay P3000 for 40 minutes including dinner.

Final question. You continually get on my shit for not having a regular girl in the RP. You live there for many years, you claim. What the name of you regular girlfriend? What was such a veteran of the RP and a guy who respects morality and hates exploitation of women doing in AC P4P? I may be back over there soon, when you going again? Lets hook up.

Mikster

PS: Remember your private message to me? About the terrorists and how we should stop talking about LA Cafe? Dont you think posting all your reports about AC will only cause the threat to increase there? hehehehehehe

Tiger74,

NO. There is no overnight baggage storage in all airports in the Philippines, Domestic or International. Why do you need that?

Tiger,

No, I don't think so. I am not the best one to answer this, since I never check bags on airplanes, so if one of the locals gives a different response in time for your trip listen to them, not me. But I would be very surprised if there was any provision for storage at the airport, and even more surprised if anyone actually used it.

On flights across the big pond I have learned to become a firm believer in the two major categories of baggage: carry-on and lost. NAIA is very much a third world airport, with all the, ahem, "eccentricities" that go with that. Not long ago Her Excellency the President of the RP publicly admonished airport workers to please stop driving flashy luxury vehicles and wearing so much expensive jewelry to work, as it doesn't look good to the public. These individuals' actual salaries are less than many westerners spend on pet food. Baggage from first world countries is apt to get especially careful (and time consuming) "inspection" and valuable contents are notoriously vulnerable to getting "lost" somewhere between wheels down and your waiting arms. The Philippine threshold for what is valuable enough to "disappear" (used as a verb) is considerably lower than what many westerners would imagine. I suggest one might want to pack accordingly.

Wastrel

Hey guys, I literally just returned from the Phils yesterday, and as a faithful monger should, I'm posting my re-cap. Keep in mind, this was my first trip ever to this country:

PART 1

Flew into Manila Wed night and, after checking into my hotel (guys, stay at Atrium in Pasay if you want big clean rooms for $25US/night) I took a cab directly to LA Cafe. There were a lot of girls there although it was more like 2:1 ratio and not the 7:1 some guys have posted. 95% were of the typical short, brown-skinned variety which doesn't appeal to me, so I sat down in the section where there were a ton of korean guys and the more expensive girls. To make a long story short, I picked up a cute, 23 y/o chick for P2000 all-night, but she turned out to be a lousy lay and I gave her P1500 after 1 hr cuz I didnt like her "all about money" attitude. So my 1st night w/ a pinay was disappointing, but hey, at least I got my rocks off (barely) after just 3 hours in the country. I didn't go to La Cafe again as the women were just too mediocre in the looks department for me although they did have a very good band that night.

The next day, I met up with a college girl who I had met on Yahoo a coupla months ago. We were to meet at Glorietta mall but she was caught in traffic so I decided to walk around this gigantic shopping center. Boy am I glad I did! There were TONS of hot girls everywhere and that's saying a lot coming from a picky 27 y/o asian guy like myself. Anyway, these chicks looked way better than the girl I was to meet and they were definitely eyeing me back, but being the gentleman that I was, I didnt ditch the 1st girl. She turned out to be cute in a little girl sorta way but she was really shy and conversation was like pulling teeth, although her english was quite good. Anyway, we had lunch and then walked around the mall a bit before I told her I need to head back to my hotel and "rest" since I didnt see much happening from this. To my surprise, she gave me this transparently weak story that she has no place to sleep tonight because her cousin (whom she stays with) is mad at her, and if she could sleep on the couch in my room tonight. Obviously, I didnt refuse, so we ended up in my room watching TV for like 2 hrs while doing some light flirting which led to a little tickling match which in-turn led to me stroking her arms and legs while "objectively" commenting on the smoothness of her skin. Anyway, taking it through these somewhat arduous stages really paid off as we ended up kissing and me teaching her how to french kiss which she really enjoyed. After a few mins, things really started getting hot and heavy and titty-action ensued which is always a good sign for things to come. Anyway, when I tried to finger-check Mr. Clam, she suddenly grabbed my arm so I thought that was as far as she was willing to go. But she told me she was actually just afraid of pain because it had hurt the 3 times she had had sex. Relieved, I assured her that I would be gentle and proceeded on, happy for the green light. No wonder it hurt her - she was unbelievably TIGHT! It helped that she was wet enough to create a little puddle on the sheets, but I could still barely fit "the head" in. Some grinding action got things going, however, and I had a lot of fun teaching her different positions and ways to get off, etc. Basically, we stayed in bed all night and did it 2 more times in the morning before I sent her on her way after breakfast. I hadn't even realized until that morning that I hadn't even had dinner the previous night, hehe. Anyway, it was fun since she was into it as much as I and it was free (not counting $5 I spent for lunch and breakfast). But, things went downhill fast.....

(to be continued...)