Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480355]........Herd immunity is absolutely one of my hopes. There's certainly no guarantee that it is even possible. I'm not familiar with that study in Sweeden but in the US, we are welll past 10-15%. So why is that a hope of mine? Because at this point that 60-65% threshold might be sooner than a viable vaccine. But again, is that what we're waiting for? Something that might never come? It's sad and difficult to grasp. And I think we as humans have a need to feel in control....[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808[/URL]

If you are really, seriously thinking that herd immunity is in play. You should read this commentary from the Mayo Clinic. Herd immunity is a term that is bandied about by a lot of people who have no (and I mean zero).

Understanding of what it is and how it works. The article will help you understand it better. Sweden isn't achieving "herd immunity" and they aren't going to reach it anytime soon.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2481409][URL]https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808[/URL]

If you are really, seriously thinking that herd immunity is in play. You should read this commentary from the Mayo Clinic. Herd immunity is a term that is bandied about by a lot of people who have no (and I mean zero).

Understanding of what it is and how it works. The article will help you understand it better. Sweden isn't achieving "herd immunity" and they aren't going to reach it anytime soon.[/QUOTE]That article was far from convincing considering that they just voiced guesses and estimates which been proven to be incorrect.

Sweden is very much seeing the effects from herd immunity.

[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-herd-immunity-threshold.amp[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2481470]That article was far from convincing considering that they just voiced guesses and estimates which been proven to be incorrect.

Sweden is very much seeing the effects from herd immunity.

[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-herd-immunity-threshold.amp[/URL][/QUOTE]There is no herd immunity.

And even if there was: more than 1 out of 100 Americans would have to be killed why covid to find out if it actually could work.

No thanks.

The solution isn't herd immunity. Its killing the virus by stopping transmission. A full autocratic style lockdown for 2 months followed by a notional mask mandate for 2 months and we all move on.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2481470]That article was far from convincing considering that they just voiced guesses and estimates which been proven to be incorrect.

Sweden is very much seeing the effects from herd immunity.

[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-herd-immunity-threshold.amp[/URL][/QUOTE]I took the trouble of reading the article, which is about the mathematics and science relating to herd immunity. It certainly says nothing about whether or not there is even herd immunity for Covid, and in fact it refers to herd immunity with vaccines, not without. There is no evidence that there is any herd immunity to Covid 19 without a vaccine, and the levels of Covid 19 experienced in Sweden or anywhere else are no where near what would be needed to start seeing evidence of herd immunity, if it even exists without a vaccine.

The closest related virus to Covid 19 is the common cold. And there is no noticeable herd immunity to it, and very short lived immunity of any kind to the cold viruses.

[QUOTE=Xavter;2481291]Don't you ever wonder how much your hate for Trump will allow you to be manipulated by others for their political and financial gain?[/QUOTE]I'm retired and now have an income under 50 k but since Trump enacted his new tax plan, my taxes have gone up almost a thousand dollars while the top tier got a hug break and his promise just before the 2018 election that middle class relief was being worked on and we would have it after the election. I'm still waiting. And no I haven't bought any covid cures from Alex Jones or the Pillow Guy so they are not getting financial gain from me but from others. I just don't like liars, braggers, fakes, bullies, hippocrit. And draft dodgers.

For those interested to hear what he said and can judge on your own, go to YouTube and do a search and you can see video clips of that speech. I believe it was on 28 February 2020.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2481575]I took the trouble of reading the article, which is about the mathematics and science relating to herd immunity. It certainly says nothing about whether or not there is even herd immunity for Covid, and in fact it refers to herd immunity with vaccines, not without. There is no evidence that there is any herd immunity to Covid 19 without a vaccine, and the levels of Covid 19 experienced in Sweden or anywhere else are no where near what would be needed to start seeing evidence of herd immunity, if it even exists without a vaccine.

The closest related virus to Covid 19 is the common cold. And there is no noticeable herd immunity to it, and very short lived immunity of any kind to the cold viruses.[/QUOTE]The other type of "herd immunity" applies here.

The most commonly considered type of herd immunity is when a sufficient percentage of the population has developed sufficient antibodies to a virus to prevent large outbreaks. That percentage depends upon how easily the virus can be spread. The mechanism is simple. If you're contagious with a virus and most of the people who you come in contact with are currently immune, the chance of spreading the virus to more than one person is greatly reduced. For many types of viruses this type of herd immunity requires widespread use of effective vaccines.

The other type of "herd immunity" focuses on "herd" rather than "immunity."

Any herd of farm animals is immune to knowledge concerning infectious diseases and acquired immunity. The noises they make clearly demonstrate their inability to understand the available data.

You can test this. It works with pets, other domesticated animals and even wild animals (although it's best to hold the discussion at a distance with certain species). Simply ask any nearby animal "If the novel coronavirus has an are naught value of 5.7, what percentage of the population must have acquired immunity to achieve herd immunity?" Listen carefully to the growl, bark, chirp or any other noises made by the animal. If the noise sounds like "82% give him a treat and pat him on the head, unless you asked a porcupine.

If you receive any other answer, chances are your target audience simply lacks the mental capacity to understand the concept.

[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health/r-nought-reproduction-number[/URL]#covid-19-are-0.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2481575]It certainly says nothing about whether or not there is even herd immunity for Covid, and in fact it refers to herd immunity with vaccines, not without.[/QUOTE]What? Here is the exact sentence from the article, "Experts estimate that in the USA, 70% of the population — more than 200 million people — would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the epidemic."

And Zeos, when I looked at the Canadian data, the death rate in the USA per capita was twice that of Canada. It is bad but it does not mean that Canada is the huge success that you have made it out to be.

Then you look at Sweden in comparison to the Netherlands and Belgium and it is not having near the problem with the second wave that those countries are.

There is no doubt that lockdowns worked in Asia but they have not worked anywhere else after the virus mutated. Those of you who believe in lockdowns keep ignoring that fact. The "success" in Canada may be fleeting as Canada may have to deal with the virus longer than other nations.

It is hard to find four nations with policies as different as Colombia v. Mexico and Peru v. Brazil. Brazil and Mexico have been lambasted by the press for not taking the virus seriously and why they both have horrible data, Peru has worse data than Brazil and Colombia is far worse than Mexico.

Anybody touting the concept of herd immunity via vaccine or by people getting infected ignores the fact the virus may suddenly burn itself out or mutate into a more deadly strain. There has been a few cases of reinfection.

Thing is that you learn to live with it. First time I was in a room with someone with Covid, I was terrified. After the tenth and seeing not just me but everyone around me not getting sick, it was no big deal.

A big deal, but I think Pelosi going maskless to the hair salon does it for the Democrats come November. The Dems have been pounding away on Trump for not listening to scientists and making dumb statements. While he has said stupid things, I am at a loss as to what Democratic alternative would have saved lives. Still, hammering Trump on the virus was the Democrats best strategy and there is no doubt it was working.

Well, it did until Pelosi shit the bed. For those of you who do not know what I am talking about, you had Pelosi illegally going maskless and demanding a salon be open and getting her hair done, something others in California were banned for doing. This video explains the situation: [URL]https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-nancy-pelosi-san-francisco-salon[/URL].

Then there is the salon owner and her response: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7lRKAtD4xE[/URL].

This is not a red-blue thing. It is how many voters resonate with this salon owner. How many people say I lost my job not to save lives but because the Democrats were willing to destroy the economy to get Trump out of office?

Pelosi's response was completely insensitive and bungled and now Democrat have rushed to defend her. All the responses are the same, "Well, Trump did. "

"What she has done is slap the face of not just a salon owner but every woman every man every person who's unemployed in the state of California who has lost their jobs and lost their livelihoods. ," one protester said.

The Democrats had a field day saying Trump put money over lives, and I think this one action shows the Democrats really had no alternative plan and that they just wanted the economy destroyed so Trump was not re-elected. Most other people think this is no big deal, but I think it is huge.

And I want to go back to whomever showed that totally inaccurate Yale study on the rate of infection in Peru and how they blamed their inaccuracies on the Peruvian people's non-compliance. I would like to ask those Yale blowhards was the average Peruvian more or less compliant than Nancy Pelosi?

The only proper response for Pelosi was that she fucked up and apologized, but she and her Democratic allies seem incapable of doing so.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2481575]I took the trouble of reading the article, which is about the mathematics and science relating to herd immunity. It certainly says nothing about whether or not there is even herd immunity for Covid, and in fact it refers to herd immunity with vaccines, not without. There is no evidence that there is any herd immunity to Covid 19 without a vaccine, and the levels of Covid 19 experienced in Sweden or anywhere else are no where near what would be needed to start seeing evidence of herd immunity, if it even exists without a vaccine.

The closest related virus to Covid 19 is the common cold. And there is no noticeable herd immunity to it, and very short lived immunity of any kind to the cold viruses.[/QUOTE]Incorrect, I suggest that you read the article again.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2481482]There is no herd immunity.

And even if there was: more than 1 out of 100 Americans would have to be killed why covid to find out if it actually could work.

No thanks.

The solution isn't herd immunity. Its killing the virus by stopping transmission. A full autocratic style lockdown for 2 months followed by a notional mask mandate for 2 months and we all move on.[/QUOTE]Herd immunity is very much in play in certain areas of Sweden. People like you talked about 70'000 people dying in Sweden from Covid-19, today we know that they were wrong.

1% won't die. I've seen the results from not having any lockdowns, 99.94% will survive.

The lockdowns didn't work and the masks aren't working. The only solution is herd immunity, if you're scared stay at home.

Anyways, thanks for the laugh.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2481482]There is no herd immunity.

And even if there was: more than 1 out of 100 Americans would have to be killed why covid to find out if it actually could work.[/QUOTE]Uh, no. It would depend on the age of those infected.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2481482]The solution isn't herd immunity. Its killing the virus by stopping transmission. A full autocratic style lockdown for 2 months followed by a notional mask mandate for 2 months and we all move on.[/QUOTE]LOL. And what do you think Colombia and Peru did for 6 months? Was the problem they were not autocratic enough? They didn't send out the police to shoot anyone who broke the lockdown. And then if the police are out then it really is not a full lockdown right?

So shut down the economy for 2 months and blame Trump when it goes down right around election day? Brilliant!

It looks like more and more like Demorat plans like yours are falling through. Again.

"Shut down gym owners in San Francisco have developed serious "roid rage" after finding out this week that gyms inside of government buildings have been open for months while privately owned establishments have remained shut down, per the government's orders.

Gyms for police officers, lawyers, bailiffs, paralegals and government employees have been open since July 1, according to a new report from the Washington Examiner."

Ah, yes, the Demorat plan is all government workers and "essential" workers get paid, go to the gym, and get their hair done while everyone else can go get fucked. That "plan" does not look like it is working anymore.

Since we have now determined Corona Virus to be a Democratic plot, President Trump can start with reversing his travel proclamations. He can do so in the next 30 minutes. [URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/News/visas-news/presidential-proclamation-coronavirus.html[/URL]#text=On%20 Monday%2 see%20 June%2022%2 see%20 President, market%20 following%20 the%20 coronavirus%20 outbreak. &text=There%20 is%20 also%20 an%20 exception, the%20 or%20 C1%2 FD%20 visas.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2481698]Since we have now determined Corona Virus to be a Democratic plot, President Trump can start with reversing his travel proclamations. He can do so in the next 30 minutes. [URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/News/visas-news/presidential-proclamation-coronavirus.html[/URL]#text=On%20 Monday%2 see%20 June%2022%2 see%20 President, market%20 following%20 the%20 coronavirus%20 outbreak. &text=There%20 is%20 also%20 an%20 exception, the%20 or%20 C1%2 FD%20 visas.[/QUOTE]A Democratic plot it is, and of course I realize you are being facetious. Wink.

That whole line of thinking was destroyed when Mr E pointed out all the countries where there are no Democrats yet they are still having trouble with the virus. Yet it persists because ridiculous people typically yell the loudest and are the most dogged in fighting to the end and getting in the last word. Last post wins right? Well I can tell you who is going to have the last post here on this subject, Elvirus. Bet the farm on it.

Here is that speech: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TZ6fTYrsE[/URL].

It doesn't matter what you can prove. A sheep follow his shepherd no matter what. Can't teach stupid, it is not possible.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2481582] I just don't like liars, braggers, fakes, bullies, hippocrit. And draft dodgers.

For those interested to hear what he said and can judge on your own, go to YouTube and do a search and you can see video clips of that speech. I believe it was on 28 February 2020.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;2481787]Here is that speech: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TZ6fTYrsE[/URL].
It doesn't matter what you can prove. A sheep follow his shepherd no matter what. Can't teach stupid, it is not possible.[/QUOTE]It is important to not lose memory. Youtube today helps. See his sharp eyes, his profound expression, highlighting the stupidity of the claims he is making. The families of the 200 k people died in USA in seven months must enjoy seeing this video.

It is so embarrassing to see the USA, that is the country that has led the world to many new frontiers of progress for centuries, now led by this moron. For my generation USA has been a myth. How could that happen? This will be studied for centuries in history books. Maybe, this is the proof that the USA system is so robust, that it keeps on working well even without a real President. [I]Chapeau![/I].