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Oh man, I know the place you mean. It was and maybe still is called Yakuza. It's always been rough. I have run into a handful of diamonds in there over the years but you have to scratch through a whole lot of coal in that joint.
[QUOTE=GrinMon;2883684]There is no casa there afaik. Closest casa to veracruz is next to hotel desesos (which is shit) and then armonia (I think that's the name) nearby.[/QUOTE]
What is safer Medellin or Bogota?? I know a lot depends on you and how careful you are. But for the guys that have been to both, which do you find a safer place? My biggest fear is getting drugged or robbed.
There are fewer vendors under the metro overpass and Parque Berrio because they are no longer all squeezed against the barrier competing for foot traffic between the barrier entrances. That was brutal.
[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2883680]Definitely looks better. More police during daytime. They seem to be pushing the vendors out manually and keeping the place and park clean, turning around and pestering some people. Will see how long that will last. Even the market under Parque Berrio metro northbound is like 10% of it's former vendor size, or less, but groups of older locals still hanging around looking at nothing and themselves, since there aren't many vendors. Haven't noticed usual druggies and homeless hanging around in there around the second fountain either, seems like they are keeping them out as well.
Seen the police pushing out the WGs from the front of Veracruz too but's it's like grinding water, as long as police stands there and tells each one to move they move, soon as police is gone, WGs are back. Curiously they didn't have a problem with WGs front of Veracruz when the barriers were up.
As for mongering, I don't see benefits of no-barriers personally -- same hookers as always anyway just need to be more careful after dark inside plaza, since robbers heave infinitely more ways to escape now and that's about it, probably won't be hanging out in PB until late night as I often used to but will see.[/QUOTE]
Medellin is safer. Don't take my word for it, ask the police.
[QUOTE=HotelAl;2883773]What is safer Medellin or Bogota?? I know a lot depends on you and how careful you are. But for the guys that have been to both, which do you find a safer place? My biggest fear is getting drugged or robbed.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Shoman;2883687]Fellow Marylander so here you go. Full service massage places on the upper floors of the mall directly across the street from the entrance to the Oviedo mall, which also has a full service massage place. Just a few blocks from Santa Fe. Usually you will get a CMT level massage with extras available. It's very expensive for Medellin and you will be negotiating extras during the massage when you are nude with a stiff dick. Not a great bargaining tactic. Massage itself can range a bit but last time I went it was around 175-250 mil for a hour depending on what massage place you choose. You can start negotiating whenever you want during the massage by rubbing her ass and pussy through her clothes. She will take the cue open with an absurdly high number but some dumb shits must pay it because it's cheap compared to here in the USA Counter at about a third of what she wants and see where it ends up. She will likely negotiate down but she knows that you having a raging boner and thus she has the upper hand. Don't assume she has a condom. Take one or 2. She probably will not fuck you without one. It's been awhile since I've been there so maybe inflation has hit these prices. All in expect around 500 mil. Outrageous for Medellin but they are in an upscale safe mall with a nice "office", you will get an CMT level massage and you are negotiating with a stiff dick. Plenty of cheaper options if you look on Mileroticos for massage but don't expect a CMT level massage just sex. Use Uber to travel. It's cheap and easy. Google translate is an amazing tool. Download it and learn how to use it. Have it handy while you are on the massage table to negotiate. Also learning a few key phrases in Spanish helps. Others have posted here which ones are useful. Lastly don't be flashy, drunk, or high in public and keep your street smarts sharp and listen to the inner voice if it is saying something doesn't seem right it's likely on target. Carry only what you need and if someone sticks a gun or knife in your face promptly hand over your valuables. Get a cheap burner phone.[/QUOTE]It's called Rio Sur Mall. Level 4 towards the back is OM Spa for men. There are also 4-5 other places there too.
[QUOTE=HotelAl;2883773]What is safer Medellin or Bogota?? I know a lot depends on you and how careful you are. But for the guys that have been to both, which do you find a safer place? My biggest fear is getting drugged or robbed.[/QUOTE]I would say they are basically equivalent. The risk of getting drugged and / or robbed is proportional to your level of common sense. You won't get drugged like in a movie. You get drugged when someone puts something in your drink. Are you coming here to drink? I would seriously suggest you drink in the Sport's bar at San Peter with your homies. You should never be drinking with a girl in your hotel room or Air be-and-be. It will require you to be incredibly vigilant and suspicious all the time which surely will detract from your experience.
If you are smart enough to not drink with the girls and if you go to a strip bar, drink water with a screw top cap that you can keep with you at all times. If you do those things you aren't going to get drugged.
As far as getting robbed. Are you smart enough to keep everything of value in your safe? Or a locked up suitcase? Are you secure enough to leave your bling at home? Are you smart enough to NOT pull our your expensive cell phone every time it buzzes or chimes. Duck into a coffee shop or bakery to check your messages, if you must. Stay away from empty deserted streets. Cabs are cheap, really cheap.
You see, if you bring your common sense and realize you are in a country where half the population is very poor, so "no the papaya" (that is a Colombian saying which literally means don't "don't give papaya" meaning don't make yourself an attractive victim). Your junk wants to come here and play if you bring your brains along too you should have no real problems.
I checked out New Life to just get the check in the box. Attached is the price list. I thought it was interesting the specificity for time slots. The array of girls was dizzying. They brought them out in rapid succession and expect you to remember their name or number. My brain ain't that good but they worked with me to get the girl I wanted.
[QUOTE=HotelAl;2883773]What is safer Medellin or Bogota?? I know a lot depends on you and how careful you are. But for the guys that have been to both, which do you find a safer place? My biggest fear is getting drugged or robbed.[/QUOTE]Been to both and in both there are druggings and robberies. I have never had either of those happen to me, but I've met several people that have.
I think it's a random shot either one. Depends on where you are, what you are doing, and just random chance. You will get opinions, I'm sure, but I would say they are equal. People's feeling of safety is not a reliable indicator of anything.
[QUOTE=HotelAl;2883773]What is safer Medellin or Bogota?? I know a lot depends on you and how careful you are. But for the guys that have been to both, which do you find a safer place? My biggest fear is getting drugged or robbed.[/QUOTE]Medellíand's homicide rate is about 50% higher according to one source I looked at. A couple of others, the difference wasn't as much but MDE's rate was higher everywhere I looked. I've been to both and had issues in MDE and no issues in BOG, but of course that is a random sample of one.
[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2883591]If you see a pretty girl walk over and smile and say "Hola!" If she seems very happy to see you, then either you are extremely handsome or she's working. Take it from there. You are looking for companionship, etc.[/QUOTE]That's how easy it is in Medellin. When you say hola with a gringo accent and she engages, you basically will f her. I've done that in malls a bunch of times. My success rate was about 50/50. As for sex, I'd say half of them wanted money up front, the other half did not, but I usually take them to nice places to eat and shop, and I would give them 100 mil at the end if our time is great.
[QUOTE=Putero1;2883728]Right, and this topic started as a response to what TexasPistol said right here a couple days ago
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He went on to say that anything other than brothels is "russian roulette" because taking a girl out dancing runs the risk of looking down the barrel of a gun. I responded that the danger *particular to Medellin and what sets Medallo apart from the rest of the world, is that the danger comes from the Chicas and drugs into drinks. He disagreed. So you are commenting on the tail end of an exchange. Mr. TexasPistol. Who is from Texas presumably. Feels comfortable going to the grocery store and out to dinner in the Lone Star state ,but Medellin is Russian Roulette, Nah.[/QUOTE]No offense to TexasPete, sorry TexasPistol LOL, I think anything he posts should be taken with a grain of salt. He obviously has very limited experience in Medellin and is basing his opinions off of hearsay he has read from other posts.
If I remember correctly, his first trip to Medellin was just last month and he severely overpaid, he posted about this in December quoting prices in USD and stating that he was paying $60 usd for short time encounters at casas which he called brothels.
Unless someone has atleast 10 2 week-long trips under his belt or has stayed here for several months at a time, then he really doesn't know what he is talking about. You can't just come here for a few days and visit a few casas / brothels and then proclaim to be a Medellin expert.
About the eternal question: How dangerous is Medellin?
Honestly, I just don't know and I doubt that anyone else does. There are so many different opinions online from seemingly sincere people.
This fellow declares that he spent a year traveling through 26 countries and the one place he will NOT visit again is Medellin.
[URL]https://youtu.be/9tzG0N33R8M?si=4sXuRyGm5M9khsVb&t=684[/URL]
This video just came out and he says it's no worse than the US.
[URL]https://youtu.be/0t8rN2HySAI?si=ON4B3tk_-mtZQgHB&t=426[/URL]
According to him, there were three serious incidents recently however they were unique exceptions and besides them, crime isn't a big problem.
My personal opinion is this. I'm a sex tourist. Personally, I'm not interested in music, dancing, drinking, nightlife. I want sex with a minimal risk of getting killed. So if Location A (streets of El Poblado) is rumored to have a serious risk and Location be (brothels) seems to have no risk, and both locations are about the same price with the same quality of women, I am going to be.
I am seriously considering trying the Philippines for my next trip for several reasons, such as less of a language barrier, but also because of the (alleged) crime problem in Medellin.
Perfect summary, well put.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2883742]There are no sure fire 100% effective protection measures. There are effective ways to control the risk and, if applied consistently, Medellin can be made as safe as any comparable city. My advice to anyone who is so nervous about it they don't feel they can relax enough to enjoy their time here is to go somewhere else.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HotelAl;2883773]What is safer Medellin or Bogota?? I know a lot depends on you and how careful you are. But for the guys that have been to both, which do you find a safer place? My biggest fear is getting drugged or robbed.[/QUOTE]Gracias for all your suggestions, they were greatly appreciated. I have been to Sao Paulo, Costa Rica, Bangkok, and several cities in Mexico including CDMX, and never felt unsafe. I will heed your words keep my head on a swivel but will enjoy myself, I am fluent in Espanol, and hopefully that will help.
[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2883895]About the eternal question: How dangerous is Medellin?
Honestly, I just don't know and I doubt that anyone else does. There are so many different opinions online from seemingly sincere people.
This fellow declares that he spent a year traveling through 26 countries and the one place he will NOT visit again is Medellin.
[URL]https://youtu.be/9tzG0N33R8M?si=4sXuRyGm5M9khsVb&t=684[/URL]
This video just came out and he says it's no worse than the US.
[URL]https://youtu.be/0t8rN2HySAI?si=ON4B3tk_-mtZQgHB&t=426[/URL]
According to him, there were three serious incidents recently however they were unique exceptions and besides them, crime isn't a big problem.
My personal opinion is this. I'm a sex tourist. Personally, I'm not interested in music, dancing, drinking, nightlife. I want sex with a minimal risk of getting killed. So if Location A (streets of El Poblado) is rumored to have a serious risk and Location be (brothels) seems to have no risk, and both locations are about the same price with the same quality of women, I am going to be..[/QUOTE]Going from Colombian women to Filipinas is going to be a huge letdown for you. The language proficiency was overrated.