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don't want to beat a dead horse on the india discussion of the past on this thread, but this excellent well written article by an educated indian, who is clearly not racist, validates every statement i offered on the subject and explains in detail why i won't be going to india any time soon.[/quote]i had thought that i would not be talking about indians after the last fiasco on this subject, when people accused me of being the bad person. however, you brought it up. the author of this article is basing his views on his own experience growing up. although quite a bit of what he says is true, it does not address the issue of indian men about their attitudes towards women, which was the original subject. what you and the others who think indian men are so lovely, need to go and stay in india for some time. i too am a product of india, who came to the americas in the late 70's.

india has it's multitude of goddesses for almost everything imaginable. the goddess of learning, wealth, strength etc. etc. they have religious celebration and pay homage to them. the author is partly right, that deference to women is limited to the temple precincts. however, in many cases women are not allowed in certain temples or if they are having their monthly period. the temples had their own set of dancing girls who in some cases offered comfort to men. women are looked down and treated like shit. if you look at the indian papers, everyday there are reports of honor killings, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], gender based abortions and violence.

the difference between the indians and the west is that in the west the women are treated with respect. that is not evident in india on a large scale. a large number of indian men who are roaming the world on their work or tourist visas bring along that culture. i have seen it not only in bkk but most anywhere they go. they are never willing to learn the good aspects of the west, forget about trying to assimilate to their new surroundings. they think the women are the same all over the world.

it is not surprising to see that when their asses are kicked by the western women, they immediately fall in line. when they are in thailand, they regard the working girls beneath their contempt and treat them accordingly. the thai women, being the pacifist kind, don't fight back. and the indian men see that as a weakness and exploit them. four for one price, anyone? there are many things india can be proud of, but not on this one.

so, daddy07, you can elect not to go to india, but that is your prerogative. but you should go and visit the country. it will open your eyes. there is a lot of rich history, different culture and cuisines for one to explore. after all, we gave the kamasutra to the world.

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I won't be going to India any time soon.[/QUOTE]I don't think India will be any the worse off for your absence. However you will miss the opportunity of visiting one of the most vibrant, fascinating and rich cultures in the world. You will miss history both of the past and of the future as India strives to deal with a multitude of problems. Whilst the relationship between Indian men and women has a long way to go it is not all bad. Change is happening.

But India does not befit from uneducated prejudices and ignorant (in not knowing) visitors.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1475355]I don't think India will be any the worse off for your absence. However you will miss the opportunity of visiting one of the most vibrant, fascinating and rich cultures in the world.[/QUOTE]Well, it's a big country with a lot of people from diverse backgrounds and a long history, so yes, there is a lot to learn about. Not sure it is any more fascinating than any other mix of cultures.

Apart from problems with men / women relationships, India is faced with the issue of the huge disparity between obscene wealth and shocking poverty. Compounded with a rigid hierarchical caste system, India is storing up huge problems for itself, and it won't be long before the underclass seeks a fairer receipt of the spoils of economic development. Just my opinion.

So I am messing around earlier adding plans and making lists for my trip to Bangkok / Pattaya. I will be travelling from mid November to mid December.

Luckily for me it seems, I come across an interesting little part in the fine print of my email flight booking confirmation.

[U] "Please ensure that your passport is valid for at least 6 months from your intended return date."[/U]

Knowing that my passport is due to expire next year, I think very little of it, but after a while something is eating away at me compelling me to go and check. Sure enough I realise that my passport will expire approx 4 months after I land in Thailand.

Not sure what this all means, I start to do some research and conclude that some people have experienced landing in Thailand with less than 6 months validity on their passports and have been refused entry. Others have been refused boarding to the aircraft at their departing airport as supposedly the airline can face serious fines for carrying a passenger in with less than 6 months validity.

Not sure how accurate the information I have researched is, or how strict they are on passport validity, but I will be renewing my passport asap.

Kinda really glad I checked now, as arriving with the bags full and being told to get out would kinda blow.

[QUOTE=Jack Of Spades; 1475399]So I am messing around earlier adding plans and making lists for my trip to Bangkok / Pattaya. I will be travelling from mid November to mid December.

Luckily for me it seems, I come across an interesting little part in the fine print of my email flight booking confirmation.

[U] "Please ensure that your passport is valid for at least 6 months from your intended return date."[/U]

Knowing that my passport is due to expire next year, I think very little of it, but after a while something is eating away at me compelling me to go and check. Sure enough I realise that my passport will expire approx 4 months after I land in Thailand.

Not sure what this all means, I start to do some research and conclude that some people have experienced landing in Thailand with less than 6 months validity on their passports and have been refused entry. Others have been refused boarding to the aircraft at their departing airport as supposedly the airline can face serious fines for carrying a passenger in with less than 6 months validity.

Not sure how accurate the information I have researched is, or how strict they are on passport validity, but I will be renewing my passport asap.

Kinda really glad I checked now, as arriving with the bags full and being told to get out would kinda blow.[/QUOTE]By all means, do not attempt to travel with less than 6 months remaining on your passport. Good advice to all.

SW

[QUOTE=Jack Of Spades; 1475399]I come across an interesting little part in the fine print of my email flight booking confirmation.

[U] "Please ensure that your passport is valid for at least 6 months from your intended return date."[/U]

I realise that my passport will expire approx 4 months after I land in Thailand.

Not sure how accurate the information I have researched is, or how strict they are on passport validity, but I will be renewing my passport asap.

Kinda really glad I checked now, as arriving with the bags full and being told to get out would kinda blow.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sirwilliam4; 1475790]By all means, do not attempt to travel with less than 6 months remaining on your passport. Good advice to all.

SW[/QUOTE]I got this information from a Thai visa website: "All travelers will need a passport valid for at least 90 days following your departure date from Thailand. However, we strongly recommend traveling with 6 months validity on your passport at all times."

I am not aware of any airlines that do not require 6 month validity.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1475797]I got this information from a Thai visa website: "All travelers will need a passport valid for at least 90 days following your departure date from Thailand. However, we strongly recommend traveling with 6 months validity on your passport at all times."

I am not aware of any airlines that do not require 6 month validity.[/QUOTE]Airlines don't require the validity. Countries do. If you want to travel with less validity, that's your call. But don't be surprised if you are turned away.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1475858]Airlines don't require the validity. Countries do. If you want to travel with less validity, that's your call. But don't be surprised if you are turned away.[/QUOTE]Well, you are wrong. If you read all the fine print on the emails that comes with airline reservation, you will see notifications by the airlines that you must have 6 months on you passport. And indeed some airlines do check passports and refuse to board anyone with less than 6 months on their passports. Ryanair in particular has a reputation for doing this. I've never asked what they are looking for, but when I check my bag at my point or origin I notice my passport is carefully scrutinized by the person at the counter. I've always assumed one of the things they are looking for is whether I have 6 months left on my passport.

I suppose airlines could allow people to board with passports that will soon expire, but that would be a very bad policy.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1475865]I suppose airlines could allow people to board with passports that will soon expire, but that would be a very bad policy.[/QUOTE]If they did happen to allow it then they would face a fine by the country you were trying to enter. In addition to that, you would be turned around in immigration and led to a small room until which time said airline would have to put you on the next flight to where you came from. Both are mentioned in the original post.

Many times when you get off an international flight you will see agents holding a sign with peoples' names. Those are the people who slipped through the cracks for whatever reason. But as long as they catch it before the person reaches the immigration counter then there will be no fine. You don't fuck around with immigration and customs.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1475858]Airlines don't require the validity. Countries do. If you want to travel with less validity, that's your call. But don't be surprised if you are turned away.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1475865]Well, you are wrong. If you read all the fine print on the emails that comes with airline reservation, you will see notifications by the airlines that you must have 6 months on you passport.

I suppose airlines could allow people to board with passports that will soon expire, but that would be a very bad policy.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1475876]If they did happen to allow it then they would face a fine by the country you were trying to enter. In addition to that, you would be turned around in immigration and led to a small room until which time said airline would have to put you on the next flight to where you came from. You don't fuck around with immigration and customs.[/QUOTE]Yikes! Worse than I thought. I sure made an understatement. Thanks for bringing absolute clarity to the issue.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1475876]If they did happen to allow it then they would face a fine by the country you were trying to enter. In addition to that, you would be turned around in immigration and led to a small room until which time said airline would have to put you on the next flight to where you came from. Both are mentioned in the original post.

Many times when you get off an international flight you will see agents holding a sign with peoples' names. Those are the people who slipped through the cracks for whatever reason. But as long as they catch it before the person reaches the immigration counter then there will be no fine. You don't fuck around with immigration and customs.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if the airlines get fined, or if it is more about covering their asses. If they bring someone to Thailand that is denied, then they have to bring them out. This may end up costing the airline a bit.

However, airlines CAN let passengers go to Thailand with less than 6 months left on their passport.

Years ago Ramsay's kid's passport was about to expire and after some bitching and moaning British Air let they try.

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-505115/Anger-BA-gives-special-treatment-celebrity-chef-Gordon-Ramsay.html[/url]

[QUOTE=RBDave;1475888]I'm not sure if the airlines get fined, or if it is more about covering their asses. If they bring someone to Thailand that is denied, then they have to bring them out. This may end up costing the airline a bit.[/QUOTE]Airlines bringing passengers with irregular documents get a 5000$ fine and they have to bring the passenger back to where they brought him from (with to first useful flight)

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1475876]Many times when you get off an international flight you will see agents holding a sign with peoples' names. Those are the people who slipped through the cracks for whatever reason.[/QUOTE]They are usefully fist class passengers or VIP's being picked up at the plane to be taken through immigration on fast track passengers. Sometime the signs are also for any passenger with a very tight and short connection, being taken straight to the next plane / gate. Nothing to do with your assumptions.

[QUOTE=RBDave;1475888]However, airlines CAN let passengers go to Thailand with less than 6 months left on their passport.[/QUOTE]I was surprised to discover that Thailand only requires 90-days on the passport.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1475944]I was surprised to discover that Thailand only requires 90-days on the passport.[/QUOTE]What is your source for this?