Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2215927]On a typical, tropical, out of high season night at around 9 pm, there will usually be IMHO and experience at least 2 or 3 desirable, unattached girls in each of my 3 favorite Cowboy Go Go's, 2 or 3 desirable, unattached girls in my 3 favorite Nana Go Go's, and 2 or 3 desirable, unattached girls in my 2 favorite Patpong Go Go's. That's conservatively at least 16 desirable, unattached Go Go girls available to me on any ordinary night on just the Go Go circuit. So, I honestly don't know what the hell you guys are talking about. There is no competition with other punters. It is only in your head. Other punters, as far as I am concerned, don't even exist. There is only the girls, the staff, the mamas, and yours truly. And I am entirely focused on the girls and having a good time with them. I have no time or inclination for games. I have said it many times. I will say it again now: if you treat the girls nice and they will return the favor a hundred-fold. It is that simple.[/QUOTE]You nailed it there, Natty. That is my observation and experience as well. There is zero evidence that what some of these fellows crow about afterwards is all that difficult to accomplish, so great an acheivement or particularly challenging as sport or game.

"People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war or before an election."
- Bismark

LOL. Btw, Bismark might have added "before the wedding" to that list of occasions.

My friend and I started our final day in Bangkok by visiting the very famous Dr Wood bar. Needless to say, service as expected and blew a nice load to get my day started. Later in the eve after a few drinks we started exploring the night scene from Thermae to Nana. My friend and I both wanted someone great and just didn't get that vibe.

Finally around 2 am, after a dozen beers at different bars I was ready to crash and decided to head back to the hotel. Thermae was on our way and had just closed, so all the girls were waiting outside, which worked out well for my friend, who started negotiating with a spinner, while I kept walking towards my hotel. Just before walking in I hear a voice from behind and look to see a short busty fair skinned straight hair early 30's secretary looking girl in a tight long dress with glasses. Even though I was tired, this girl was exactly the looks I dig, so I walk up to her and she whispers in my ears, "I want you to put your cock in my pussy". I come close and say no I don't want to, she looked puzzled, and then I said "I want to put my dick in your mouth". She smiled and said 1500, I usually don't bargain but given its late night I tried my luck and said 1000 and another 500 for good service. She had that GF thing about her, giggled and shyly started to walk with me. We check her in and already in the elevator, I am feeling her up through her tight dress and caressing her boobs. I can't tell how I hard I was!

Inside she starts by brushing her teeth and then joins me in the shower, quick clean up and she rubs me dry. In our bathrobes, I sit on chair and open my laptop and put one of my favorite blowjob scenes of an Asian girl deep throat some dude. She sees it and her eyes go wide open, she asks if this is me and even though it was from the web, I said yeah, a girl in Vietnam did this and I want you to do better. Wow it was an awesome sight, seeing her eyes glued to my laptop watching a blowjob while sitting between my legs slowly stroking my cock, sexiest thing ever. She looked at the screen one final time and goes as deep as I have ever had any girl go. Even I was not expecting that. She was actually doing a better than the girl on screen. So good I had to pull her away so I don't cum too fast. This went on for the next 10 minutes, I made her keep her glasses on and finally could not control and blew a load straight in her face. Like a submissive GF said goes "what are you doing", but too late I had already glazed her face.

She cleans both of us with a towel and goes back to the washroom to clean herself. She comes back and I was lying on bed scrolling through random porn. She slowly started putting her dress back as I took out 1500 bhatt. Even though I laterally blew my load 10 minutes ago, seeing this short busty girl with glasses put on her tight dress while there is porn running in the background made me hard again, so I immediately pulled the money away and said stay for another shot and she said no its already 3 and I need to get home. I take out another 1000, put it on the bed and like magic she suddenly stopped and started removing her dress. I tell her this time suck me slowly for the next 30 minutes, no hands just deep and slow and if she can make me last that long there is another 500 for her. Sure enough this hottie knew her job well and in a sensual way came and sat between my legs and slowly started massaging my balls, once hard it took her no time to take me all the way deep in her throat again. I made her keep switching between deep throat and licking balls till finally around 20-25 mins later I could no longer control and this time came when she had me deep in her throat. She did not swallow but kept it in and spit it in a towel and I made her clean me with her mouth.

Hands down the best and most unexpected session I ever had with a service provider. Just the memory of that hot Asian girl blowing me deep while I watch porn still gets me hard.

Anyone want to meet up tomorrow or day after? Mainly looking to hit on and pick up civvies, so need a pick up buddy. But will get in on some pro action at night!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2215927]On a typical, tropical, out of high season night at around 9 pm, there will usually be IMHO and experience at least 2 or 3 desirable, unattached girls in each of my 3 favorite Cowboy Go Go's, 2 or 3 desirable, unattached girls in my 3 favorite Nana Go Go's, and 2 or 3 desirable, unattached girls in my 2 favorite Patpong Go Go's. That's conservatively at least 16 desirable, unattached Go Go girls available to me on any ordinary night on just the Go Go circuit. So, I honestly don't know what the hell you guys are talking about. There is no competition with other punters. It is only in your head. Other punters, as far as I am concerned, don't even exist.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Julianity;2215871]100% agree, I love the chase more than anything. One time in Phuket I ended up shagging a girls from devils playground and had her pay my taxi home. Even though she wasn't a stunner I just love the accomplished feeling of turning the tables on a gogo girl.

P4P is fun, but I always want something others are not getting.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Goatscrot;2215856]Honestly, if I wanted to "compete" I wouldn't pay for it and would have stayed in the US. For me that defeats the point of P4 P. I don't have any need to feel accomplished. There are other aspects of my life that satisfy that in full. P4 P for the majority of punters I know is about ease and fun, not competition.[/QUOTE]In my honest opinion "only" and from my own experience, to which I am not a Go Go bar expert to the least. I only have frequent and done the Go Go bar thing about 300 (days) or times a year for the past 3 years and only have dropped maybe a couple hundred of thousands of dollars (USD) in the process. This is a far cry less than most guys on here, so I'm sure there are guys that have more validity than me when it comes to Go Go bars. But to say that there is "no competition with other punters" at the Go Go bars is the same as saying any customer can walk into ANY Go Go bar, and can barfine to fuck ANY girl of his choosing, and that girl is always his first choice. Plus there is no rejection for him from ANY girls at the Go Go bars, because it's all about him and there is no competition from any other punters. Wow! I want to live in that perfect world to see how that works. That's amazing, even I've never experienced that. That must be God. I've done fairly well playing the Go Go bar scene, but not like that, so I must be only "like God. " Anyways, my father once told me a story. It's about an Angel that descended to Earth and took human form. Where he came from, he is a somebody and he wins. With the spirit of the Almighty at his back, this Angel will always win. But when living amongst the humans, he had to take it easy to try to understand. Many have a loser mentality. They can't ever relate to those who come from a world where he got everything, because as an Angel, he wanted nothing. That means to want, in itself, is a part of evil. That also meant since Earth was full of want, it was obviously that it was the Devil's domain. And those in this world with a loser mentality, will always make excuses, blame others, or ignore the obvious. Themselves. So that's why many cannot relate to another if they come from different worlds. But for one to say that P4P is about "ease, fun, not competition," then why is there always so much bickering about other punters, their ethnicity, the level of services provided, and what they paid for or how much? Every punter has the mentality and hope that P4P provider will supply him with services better than she has given the next guy. The only thing I've ever asked is to "share." Share your experiences, good or bad, and ways to find and identify the girls. I've shared in most of my reports and postings, so I would say I'm the least greedy when it comes to this stuff. I'm just lucky.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2216630]any customer can walk into ANY Go Go bar, and can barfine to fuck ANY girl of his choosing, and that girl is always his first choice. Plus there is no rejection for him from ANY girls at the Go Go bars, because it's all about him and there is no competition from any other punters. [/QUOTE]I agree that some girls won't go with certain guys (like Indian, Arab, Black, extremely overweight, handicapped, etc.) Hell, those guys can't even get into certain gogos. But I'm just an average western guy and I've been in Asia about 20 years now and I have never had any gogo girl that I wanted to take to my hotel completely refuse to go with me. If they are busy with another guy on a particular night, I just consider that to be bad timing that night and that they will be available some other night. There's no need to try to steal her from the guy she met before I arrived. I feel it would be unethical to do so anyway. I've never had that happen to me either. For any girl I have ever bar fined, she has never ended up dumping me and going with some other guy that night rather than me. So where is the competition? I don't see it as far as gogo's.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2216837]I have never had any gogo girl that I wanted to take to my hotel completely refuse to go with me. [/QUOTE]I have seen this happen 3 times with fellow ISG members who I have been to a gogo bar with. All middle aged, all caucasian. I was there with FF when he was rejected with Lala at Sapphire last year. I have also witnessed 2 ISG members strike out with a gogo girl from LK Metro of all places. She is a part time gogo girl and is an actual Thai model. I have subsequently seen her being barfined so she is not a girl only trying to meet her weekly drink quota.

MP has mentioned some girls at Palace who will not barfine. One is #174 who is neither hot or cute but is appealing in her own way. The other is Fern at Palace who can not or is extremely difficult to barfine. Fern is appealing to most guys I take to Palace. I'm not a fan because I like fun girls.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2216837]If they are busy with another guy on a particular night, I just consider that to be bad timing that night and that they will be available some other night. There's no need to try to steal her from the guy she met before I arrived. I feel it would be unethical to do so anyway. [/QUOTE]Absolutely agree with you here. I think it's a douche move to steal a girl sitting with a guy already. I have some tricks to tempt her to come to me but it will be her decision to come to me. I won't buy her a lady drink so she sits with me while with another guy.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2216837]But I'm just an average western guy and I've been in Asia about 20 years now and I have never had any gogo girl that I wanted to take to my hotel completely refuse to go with me. [/QUOTE]I am also an average western guy of 65 and been mongering in Asia off and on for several years a couple of decades ago, now living in Bangkok for the past 6 years. Not sure if this qualifies as "completely refusing to go with me", but I have certainly had many go-go girls, beer bar girls, massage shop girls, freelancers, etc. refuse to go with me ON MY TERMS. Talking mostly about my requiring either BBFS or BBBJ+CIM, otherwise there is virtually no reason for me to have a girl in my room (unless I just must DATY with a girl who says no to everything else I want or need). Of course, I am sure the ones who would not go with me on my terms would have jumped at the chance to go with me if I had agreed to their terms. But that was not going to happen. My choice.

If the topic of MY TERMS is not broached in the bar, and sometimes they are not, then, like you, I have never had a girl, go-go or otherwise, say no she won't go with me for any reason other than the ones you cited; already booked with another good customer and so on. But they are interested in doing so another time, no problem. Talking about real go-go girls working in a bar with the intention of barfining customers and not non-barfinable Coyote scammers. Although, I have no doubt for the right high amount of money and low amount of demands on them, any and all of those scammer girls would go with me and anyone else too.

I scored 40% on your what is your reject score. I'm not overweight. Haha.

I've never even bothered at any gogo. I've been to Bangkok twenty times and I've never even been to nep or cowboy. So I'm curious about what would be the point of me even going? Apart from the above score I read of bad service, coyotes, east asian only. To turn me off. I'm a realist and have been rejected in Amsterdam redlight, brothels in Australia, OT in Singapore and free lancers in Malaysia.

I would imagine there would be others on this board with the same score.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2216837]I agree that some girls won't go with certain guys (like Indian, Arab, Black, extremely overweight, handicapped, etc.) Hell, those guys can't even get into certain gogos. But I'm just an average western guy and I've been in Asia about 20 years now and I have never had any gogo girl that I wanted to take to my hotel completely refuse to go with me. If they are busy with another guy on a particular night, I just consider that to be bad timing that night and that they will be available some other night. There's no need to try to steal her from the guy she met before I arrived. I feel it would be unethical to do so anyway. I've never had that happen to me either. For any girl I have ever bar fined, she has never ended up dumping me and going with some other guy that night rather than me. So where is the competition? I don't see it as far as gogo's.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2216919]I am also an average western guy of 65 and been mongering in Asia off and on for several years a couple of decades ago, now living in Bangkok for the past 6 years. Not sure if this qualifies as "completely refusing to go with me", but I have certainly had many go-go girls, beer bar girls, massage shop girls, freelancers, etc. refuse to go with me ON MY TERMS. Talking mostly about my requiring either BBFS or BBBJ+CIM, otherwise there is virtually no reason for me to have a girl in my room (unless I just must DATY with a girl who says no to everything else I want or need). Of course, I am sure the ones who would not go with me on my terms would have jumped at the chance to go with me if I had agreed to their terms. But that was not going to happen. My choice.

If the topic of MY TERMS is not broached in the bar, and sometimes they are not, then, like you, I have never had a girl, go-go or otherwise, say no she won't go with me for any reason other than the ones you cited; already booked with another good customer and so on. But they are interested in doing so another time, no problem. Talking about real go-go girls working in a bar with the intention of barfining customers and not non-barfinable Coyote scammers. Although, I have no doubt for the right high amount of money and low amount of demands on them, any and all of those scammer girls would go with me and anyone else too.[/QUOTE]Asking the girl for BBFS before barfining limits the amount of girls willing to be barfined. Buddy used to have the mamasan do the necessary chat with the girl and then my buddy would tip the mamasan when the deal was ok'd. Personally I'd rather take the girl that I was hitting it off with and hope for the best. In the heat of the moment you get a better chance at them not saying no when you don't even reach for the condom.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2217053]Asking the girl for BBFS before barfining limits the amount of girls willing to be barfined. Buddy used to have the mamasan do the necessary chat with the girl and then my buddy would tip the mamasan when the deal was ok'd. Personally I'd rather take the girl that I was hitting it off with and hope for the best. In the heat of the moment you get a better chance at them not saying no when you don't even reach for the condom.[/QUOTE]Yep. Most of the time I don't negotiate for BBFS beforehand for a similar reason. There might be no negotiation at all. Or I might only negotiate for BBBJ+CIM, not mention fucking at all, perhaps primarily to determine if she even knows what a Cum In Mouth finish means. Many don't know what it really means, claim to have never done one or never been asked for one. If the answer is Yes, I am good to go and then the mood and move in the room might still lead to BBFS, generally my preference of the two. But if not then my fallback position is at least the BBBJ-CIM she had agreed to.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing as a HJ fallback position in these matters. Or me masturbating onto her boobs, face, over the table lamp or whatever. I'd rather just abort the mission, move on and save my ejaculation for the next one around the corner or 30 minutes away from a Line message. I made this major move in life to cum into women, not to revert to HJs. Of course, there are times when the agreed upon CIM finish is nowhere near what was agreed upon. One never knows if the girl was lying about that until it is too late, the deed is done badly and cannot be undone and redone correctly.

Maybe only 3 times in all my mongering years have I ever asked a mamasan or papasan in a Thai P4P venue to find or clear BBFS with a girl. Once in a soapy and twice in go-go bars, all 20-25 years ago. None of those times went well. Their reaction was as shocked and dismissive as I imagined it would be. And I honestly doubt a Thai girl would be more likely to tell a mamasan, papasan or any third party that she is willing to go BBFS than she would privately to me.

Most of the times when a discussion of BBFS is broached beforehand is when it has been prompted by something the girl said in reference to condoms or an insistence that I tell her "What you want?", which can quite often lead to the girl agreeing to it beforehand.

And, of course, there are times when I'll bring it up beforehand because her saying Yes is the only reason I might choose her tonight over someone else and I honestly don't care all that much if she says No, whereupon that is the end of it.

There are so many others to say Yes, and most are very likely hotter and better at their job than the ones who say No.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2217133]Yep. Most of the time I don't negotiate for BBFS beforehand for a similar reason. There might be no negotiation at all. Or I might only negotiate for BBBJ+CIM, not mention fucking at all, perhaps primarily to determine if she even knows what a Cum In Mouth finish means. Many don't know what it really means, claim to have never done one or never been asked for one. If the answer is Yes, I am good to go and then the mood and move in the room might still lead to BBFS, generally my preference of the two. But if not then my fallback position is at least the BBBJ-CIM she had agreed to.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing as a HJ fallback position in these matters. Or me masturbating onto her boobs, face, over the table lamp or whatever. [/QUOTE]I agree. I don't like negotiation, so often skip it completely. As I mainly do repeat girls, that is a big help to hardly ever having a negotiation. I have a profound lack of girl encounter reports, for the reason of hardly ever trying anything new (I suppose this could be referred to as semi-retired). I often had no negotiation even with new girls tried.

CIM is a forum abbreviation so no way a Thai girl should know that, and only experienced girls will know what a "cum" is. Average Thai girls do not do CIM, so quite normal for girl to have only done one accidentally when guy exploded without warning. "set nai bpark" is Thai for cum in mouth and that should be easy enough for them to understand. "set" means "to finish" and "Bpark" is mouth. Guys should not try to use the word "maa" meaning "come" since it does not mean "cum" in any way (I repeat this for guys that have missed this tip). Euphemisms do not translate directly well at all.

Indeed some girls are paranoid about copping a load in the mouth and therefore may insist on CBJ unless they trust you not to blow in the mouth. They are preconditioned to think of it as quite disgusting, whether that is really true or not. I never CIM with Thai girls unless they are permitting it, as I don't want a big issue. As I am well trusted, I don't get CBJs. Maybe had one CBJ in last year. CBJ is not very useful to me, although still better than a HJ which I never take. If want CIM it is easier to go to Kasalong or similar where it is standard I presume.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2217330]I agree. I don't like negotiation, so often skip it completely. As I mainly do repeat girls, that is a big help to hardly ever having a negotiation. I have a profound lack of girl encounter reports, for the reason of hardly ever trying anything new (I suppose this could be referred to as semi-retired). I often had no negotiation even with new girls tried.

CIM is a forum abbreviation so no way a Thai girl should know that, and only experienced girls will know what a "cum" is. Average Thai girls do not do CIM, so quite normal for girl to have only done one accidentally when guy exploded without warning. "set nai bpark" is Thai for cum in mouth and that should be easy enough for them to understand. "set" means "to finish" and "Bpark" is mouth. Guys should not try to use the word "maa" meaning "come" since it does not mean "cum" in any way (I repeat this for guys that have missed this tip). Euphemisms do not translate directly well at all.

Indeed some girls are paranoid about copping a load in the mouth and therefore may insist on CBJ unless they trust you not to blow in the mouth. They are preconditioned to think of it as quite disgusting, whether that is really true or not. I never CIM with Thai girls unless they are permitting it, as I don't want a big issue. As I am well trusted, I don't get CBJs. Maybe had one CBJ in last year. CBJ is not very useful to me, although still better than a HJ which I never take. If want CIM it is easier to go to Kasalong or similar where it is standard I presume.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reminder of how to convey the concept of "cum in mouth" in Thai; "set nai bpark". I am sure your spelling of bpark (mouth) is accurate for the sound of it but will point out to others that many of us have heard Thai girls say that word after we tell them something complementary about how beautiful they are; "bpark wan", meaning "sweet mouth". The bp combination is an uncommon way to start a word for most of us westerners and the r is very soft, almost not there. The "sweet mouth" term we might have heard already maybe sounds closer to "bok wan" or "bogk wan" when a native Thai speaker says it.

I have found the easiest Thai girls to get a genuine CIM from outside of the BJ Bars is go-go dancers, dating site girls and freelancers, pretty much in that order. I know the go-go dancer source flies in the face of what most would believe, but I can only speak from my personal experience on this. When I negotiate the way I have stated here a few times, my success rate in getting a fine blowjob with a genuine 100% CIM finish with go-go girls, good-looking young ones mind you, is quite high.

Next comes dating site girls, the more highly educated the better. Then freelancers, if carefully screened before taking. Again, this might fly in the face of what most would say here, but my worst success rate for getting a genuine CIM finish is with massage shop girls (yeah, even the ones clearly established for so-called down and dirty happy endings and not real massages) and beer bar girls.

I have a dinner and fuck date tonight with a non P4P dating site girl that has without doubt one of the most glorious feeling pussies I have ever experienced, loves receiving DATY beyond measure and I knew from her first slide down my shaft during oral foreplay that getting a CIM finish from this girl would have to be one of the most exquisite orgasms I have had in a long, long time.

Yet, she is adamant about no man ever finishing inside her mouth. This is actually quite rare in that I met her on a dating site, she is quite attractive, professional, financially secure, well-educated and in her mid-30's. This combination is almost always a sure predictor of superior understanding and administration of way above average oral skills leading to a CIM finish and, if she knows you really want it, swallowing the cum clean away, even when the girl is 10 years younger than her. This will be our second date together and if she really likes me as much as she claims over and over on her Line messages, I intend to make it known how she can prove it to me without doubt orally. LOL. Then again, there is that fantastic pussy!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2216908]MP has mentioned some girls at Palace who will not barfine. One is #174 who is neither hot or cute but is appealing in her own way. The other is Fern at Palace who can not or is extremely difficult to barfine. Fern is appealing to most guys I take to Palace. I'm not a fan because I like fun girls.[/QUOTE]Fern is very selective on her customers. I've been told by other girls that sometimes guys pay her just to go to Hollywood disco and nothing more. At least I got the opportunity to stick my dick in her and watch her squirm in all positions. Sex was nothing to write home about, but it was still nice to see her sexy natural body naked up close. She went with me long time, but I let her go after 3 hours. She has a cute tomboy. Ans the last time she sat with me, I offered her and het tom each 5,000 to fuck me and fuck each other as I watched. I wanted to bang her tom's pussy while Fern watched as well. I think you were sitting next to us. Fern text messaged her tom about my offer. Her tom was appalled at my suggestion. She showed me the text back. So it was a no go. I did a write up on Fern this past June.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2190364]Last night at Palace I barfined a model #401, named Fern. According to most of the girls there, Fern is one of the top girls if not the top girl in hustling drinks for the bar. The day before, she got 42 drinks from customers. We have seen each other for about 2 years now, but last night was the first time I approached her when I saw her standing alone. She had been on my list to do, but for some reason she and I never connected. Before last night I have already barfined about 10 other models from Palace. Apparently her scheme was just to go and let me barfine her so that it kept he status as one of the top girls there. Meaning it looked odd to the other girls working there that after 2 years, I never took her. I think it's an ego and competition thing amongst the girls at each club..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2217368]Thanks for the reminder of how to convey the concept of "cum in mouth" in Thai; "set nai bpark". I am sure your spelling of bpark (mouth) is accurate for the sound of it but will point out to others that many of us have heard Thai girls say that word after we tell them something complementary about how beautiful they are; "bpark wan", meaning "sweet mouth". The bp combination is an uncommon way to start a word for most of us westerners and the r is very soft, almost not there. The "sweet mouth" term we might have heard already maybe sounds closer to "bok wan" or "bogk wan" when a native Thai speaker says it.
[/QUOTE]I would go Paak Waan, however the P sounds close to a B because not aspirated same as a Tagalog P in the Philippines or even English spoken by Filipinas.

Quite right! There is no R technically and in Thai an R sound never appears after a vowel (only before it). I should spell it Bpaak or Bpahk or Paak or Pahk (there is no correct way to spell Thai words in English and some are such rubbish). Long Ah sound with very open mouth, so AR is closest approximation in English but a silent R (as you point out). Think of Jimmy Haas the tennis player, works. Actually Thai vowels are much closer to German language vowels than to English vowels and English vowels vary so much depending on where the speaker comes from. So it would be much easier to explain Thai vowel sounds if we all came from Deutschland.

I struggled to perfect some Thai vowel sounds for years. The name Aey was always difficult for me. Often has rising tone but not always. Anyway it is like AIR with any R sound dropped and also like the AY in Hay but with any Y sound dropped. So maybe half way in between those two. Tricky to not make it sound like an English AY or AIR, since that is what we are used to. When learning Thai, a girl tried so many times for me to get this one right. I though I imitated her sound perfectly, but she would say no and say it again, obviously slightly different to my attempt. Learning Thai pronunciation is the critical stage. Once have got that understood well, it is all plain sailing since Thai is otherwise so easy, with almost zero grammatical complexity. After getting the sounds understood, it is all just learning vocab, and practice to deliver the correct one of 5 tones. As Farangs, we will probably stuff up tones almost forever unless gifted or started from a young age, on certain words or occasions. Low tone is the one I fail on most often by putting stress or emphasis on a word that should not have it, and mid tone sounds easy but can also be stuffed up easy, as is a little higher than our natural speaking tone, unless you come from India. LOL. Just generalising that many Indians seems to have a higher tone when speaking English. This could well make Thai easy for them.

American drawl is quite inconsistent with Thai, so Americans speaking Thai can sound quite amusing if the drawl is still there. It means all or most of their short vowels come out too long. German guys have a big advantage as the vowels are quite similar for the most part, in both short and long forms. Small number of odd vowels though. Probably similar advantage for other Europeans where I am less knowledgeable about the particular Languages.

[QUOTE=Arated;2216388]... seeing her eyes glued to my laptop watching a blowjob while sitting between my legs slowly stroking my cock, sexiest thing ever. She looked at the screen one final time and goes as deep as I have ever had any girl go. Even I was not expecting that. She was actually doing a better than the girl on screen. So good I had to pull her away so I don't cum too fast. This went on for the next 10 minutes, I made her keep her glasses on and finally could not control and blew a load straight in her face. Like a submissive GF said goes "what are you doing", but too late I had already glazed her face.

She cleans both of us with a towel and goes back to the washroom to clean herself. She comes back and I was lying on bed scrolling through random porn. She slowly started putting her dress back as I took out 1500 bhatt. Even though I laterally blew my load 10 minutes ago, seeing this short busty girl with glasses put on her tight dress while there is porn running in the background made me hard again, so I immediately pulled the money away and said stay for another shot and she said no its already 3 and I need to get home. I take out another 1000, put it on the bed and like magic she suddenly stopped and started removing her dress. I tell her this time suck me slowly for the next 30 minutes, no hands just deep and slow and if she can make me last that long there is another 500 for her..[/QUOTE]I've been reading through the posts in prep for my first trip to BKK, and Arated's post is about the hottest thing I've ever read on this site. I can't stand that I'm going to have to wait until November, but that's the way it is. Good on ya Arated! If you're there when I am, I'd be proud to buy you a drink or three. Thanks for the stimulating report, and thanks to all the other posters and to Jackson for all the priceless info!

[QUOTE=Fanotran;2217470]I've been reading through the posts in prep for my first trip to BKK, and Arated's post is about the hottest thing I've ever read on this site. I can't stand that I'm going to have to wait until November, but that's the way it is. Good on ya Arated! If you're there when I am, I'd be proud to buy you a drink or three. Thanks for the stimulating report, and thanks to all the other posters and to Jackson for all the priceless info![/QUOTE]I remember the anticipation I had for my first trip to Thailand and if you think the wait before you go is excruciating wait until you are back in your homeland! It is like being addicted to a drug and your supply has been cut! Enjoy your trip.

[QUOTE=Fanotran;2217470]I've been reading through the posts in prep for my first trip to BKK, and Arated's post is about the hottest thing I've ever read on this site. I can't stand that I'm going to have to wait until November, but that's the way it is. Good on ya Arated! If you're there when I am, I'd be proud to buy you a drink or three. Thanks for the stimulating report, and thanks to all the other posters and to Jackson for all the priceless info![/QUOTE]Just to dampen you down a little, you don't want to believe everything written is 100% true. It reads a bit imaginative and artistic to me, but vaguely feasible. I would not be at all surprised if was embellished to make it better.

If the guy really had to use porn, can the girl really have been so hot? I don't understand why degradation turns guys on but I suppose it is a dominance power trip thing, fuelled by porn conditioning.

I suggest you read on and collect useful Facts. Make a list of all the things you really must try at least once. Many might not live up to expectation. Remember as Goat reports, there are plenty of very weak performing girls around, and plenty of very average lookers, you have to find the extra special ones. That is your challenge.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2216837]Hell, those guys can't even get into certain gogos. But I'm just an average western guy and I've been in Asia about 20 years now and I have never had any gogo girl that I wanted to take to my hotel completely refuse to go with me. If they are busy with another guy on a particular night, I just consider that to be bad timing that night and that they will be available some other night. There's no need to try to steal her from the guy she met before I arrived. I feel it would be unethical to do so anyway. I've never had that happen to me either. For any girl I have ever bar fined, she has never ended up dumping me and going with some other guy that night rather than me. So where is the competition? I don't see it as far as gogo's.[/QUOTE]Seems very unrealistic. You must have had girls make excuses on occasion. "I have a customer already", "I am waiting for customer", "It's my period", "I am going to a birthday party in 1 hour from now", " I don't like Farang dick", "I have heard about you from other girls"You killed me last time"pussy is Kaput", "I don't usually go with customers at all", "you can barfine me but no sex okay I would rather go to a disco", "I don't go with Farangs", "I am a good girl I don't do sex", etc.

As ET reports, these days there are lots of Coyote girls not available for fucking at all, supposedly. Of course if you never tried to get any girl and let the girls select you directly or by extra raunchy behaviour, then I could understand never failing to get the girl. Some girls request BF quite quickly, but they are not usually the ones I am trying to get.

I thought everyone gets knockbacks on occasions for one reason or another. I would rather get a knockback than a completely crap experience. The latter is more common, unfortunately. The Thermae is not gogo girls but there I get a lot of refusals. They have certain typ of customer in mind, preferably an easy one. Some girls in Thermae say yes but with Farang surcharge, and no kissing no DATY etc. Fuck that.

One day I was mystified when I spoke to a hot girl on stage in Bacarra, stunning natural body, asking if she was available or had a customer. She could have refused me, instead chose not to utter any word whatsoever. I assume she understood my Thai very well. I saw she later charged off to some young guy that she clearly knew already. He was a Farang. Perhaps she only hoped he would take her, and deal was not yet done.

One girl was very hot at Long Gun Noi and refused me many times saying we were friends. Eventually one day she agreed to go with me and then performed really lack lustre crap on the bed. I could not believe a girl so hot looking could be that poor and disinterested. However she probably liked much younger Farangs like her own age, while most bargirls claim to prefer older guys "Jai dee".

Sometimes you get lucky and get extra eager instead of refusal. I wanted to BF the hottest girl in Crazy House at the time, Nat with big tits. She was very keen to go and in fact leave immediately as she wanted to go to a birthday party in Pattaya that evening and have some money too. She still performed really excellent in a 1 hour ST, before being picked up for the drive to Pattaya. Supposedly her partner was a Tom but she responded well to dick too, quite enthusiastic and liked DATY too. Was in heaven for 1 hour.

Guys, Member from LK forum here.

I'm visiting Bangkok next month and planing to stay at "Majestic Grande Hotel*". I'm planning to wait alone for two days until my wife also make it there. So looking to try out all that's possible. Top being Soapy massage, GO GO and freelance girls. Any hints and guides would be mostly welcome. Any best places for Soapy, and what are the good GO GO bars.

I'm also open to venture some action together, have had the pleasure of meeting some local residents for action in few countries I've visited before.

Thanks buddies.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2217734]...................If the guy really had to use porn, can the girl really have been so hot? I don't understand why degradation turns guys on but I suppose it is a dominance power trip thing, fuelled by porn conditioning......[/QUOTE]Porn does not turn you on?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2217817]Porn does not turn you on?[/QUOTE]I can't speak for others, but as far as I am concerned, some porn turns me on and some porn turns me off. My favorite porn genre is the Japanese Lesbian Seduction with 2 or 3 sexy actresses. Bing Lesbian Nampa pickup and you might find some interesting videos along these lines. As with my preferences in real life, I don't like sillycone porn girls or girls with big asses and I don't like nasty stuff.

There is also, IMO, a time and place for porn. I like it and watch it when I am alone and horny. I find it pointless, even counterproductive when I am with a girl or having sex with a girl. Some bordellos (in Macau especially) have a porn channel playing in the room when you get there. Maybe it's just me, but I always turn it off. The girl I am with provides all the stimulus I need or else what I am paying her for? Ha Ha. Besides, I am usually with more attractive sauna girls than the actresses they got up on the Chinese porn channel. So, if I wouldn't pick the porn actress if she were in the lineup, why would I want to watch her get nailed by some dude while I am getting it on with a girl that really like and find attractive?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2217884]I can't speak for others, but as far as I am concerned, some porn turns me on and some porn turns me off. My favorite porn genre is the Japanese Lesbian Seduction with 2 or 3 sexy actresses. Bing Lesbian Nampa pickup and you might find some interesting videos along these lines. As with my preferences in real life, I don't like sillycone porn girls or girls with big asses and I don't like nasty stuff.

There is also, IMO, a time and place for porn. I like it and watch it when I am alone and horny. I find it pointless, even counterproductive when I am with a girl or having sex with a girl. Some bordellos (in Macau especially) have a porn channel playing in the room when you get there. Maybe it's just me, but I always turn it off. The girl I am with provides all the stimulus I need or else what I am paying her for? Ha Ha. Besides, I am usually with more attractive sauna girls than the actresses they got up on the Chinese porn channel. So, if I wouldn't pick the porn actress if she were in the lineup, why would I want to watch her get nailed by some dude while I am getting it on with a girl that really like and find attractive?[/QUOTE]If there is such a thing as a victim of porn then that would be me. My first exposure to porn was as a teenager in the late 60's using my dad's reel to reel projector and a movie borrowed from a friend. I still remember it; it was Swedish and started with a hot blonde masturbating before being joined by 2 blokes. Throughout the years I have had preferences for various genres but am more or less settled on lesbian of all types. Like yourself I don't particularly care for porn while sessioning. However, it is a must at home / hotel before visiting a brothel / FKK / Casa / Club / SW / escort, etc. It gets me in the right frame of mind and gets the vital areas primed up for the pending action. I actually believe that porn has played a major role in my pursuit of this hobby and suspect that had I never been exposed to porn I might have been a contented happily married one woman kind of guy.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2217914]If there is such a thing as a victim of porn then that would be me. [/QUOTE]
Well I disagree. Porn hasn't harmed me. Neither has whoring. On the contrary, both have made my life more enjoyable and I believe both are natural outlets for healthy men to partake in. My only regret, as far as all this goes, is that My Father or older Brother did take me to see a prostitute when I was 14 or 15. I was in real need back then and it would have helped me out tremendously in my relations with other girls if I had had the experience at that age.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2217933]Well I disagree. Porn hasn't harmed me. Neither has whoring. On the contrary, both have made my life more enjoyable and I believe both are natural outlets for healthy men to partake in. My only regret, as far as all this goes, is that My Father or older Brother did take me to see a prostitute when I was 14 or 15. I was in real need back then and it would have helped me out tremendously in my relations with other girls if I had had the experience at that age.[/QUOTE][URL]FellatioJapan.com[/URL] — oh my god. I am not a huge porn fan but Japanese girls know how to suck it like no other. Every time I see a girl I want to say "uh could you watch this before we start?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2217939][URL]FellatioJapan.com[/URL] oh my god. I am not a huge porn fan but Japanese girls know how to suck it like no other. Every time I see a girl I want to say "uh could you watch this before we start?[/QUOTE]I hate the way those Japanese girls squeal.

Is it true the famous BJ bar has closed, lo. Lito s.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2217884]I can't speak for others, but as far as I am concerned, some porn turns me on and some porn turns me off. My favorite porn genre is the Japanese Lesbian Seduction with 2 or 3 sexy actresses. Bing Lesbian Nampa pickup and you might find some interesting videos along these lines. As with my preferences in real life, I don't like sillycone porn girls or girls with big asses and I don't like nasty stuff.

There is also, IMO, a time and place for porn. I like it and watch it when I am alone and horny. I find it pointless, even counterproductive when I am with a girl or having sex with a girl. Some bordellos (in Macau especially) have a porn channel playing in the room when you get there. Maybe it's just me, but I always turn it off. The girl I am with provides all the stimulus I need or else what I am paying her for? Ha Ha. Besides, I am usually with more attractive sauna girls than the actresses they got up on the Chinese porn channel. So, if I wouldn't pick the porn actress if she were in the lineup, why would I want to watch her get nailed by some dude while I am getting it on with a girl that really like and find attractive?[/QUOTE]Well I am in complete agreement (as usual), although I have not tried Nampa as yet. My issue with Japanese porn is when you can see the dick is going into pussy but they stupidly pixel it out to see it not so clear. Hard to understand. For sure I want to see the very best Japanese female pornstars with pussy in sharp focus (with or without any dick). Today watched some porn nice natural tits and beautiful pussy, but shut it down when got a hint Mrs would give me a nice one before daughter gets home. Her pussy is still tight, tits full, and no baby damage to be noticed. Still hot at nearly 39, so I don't need porn at that time and she needs it, certainly not. LOL She is extremely sensitive, so cums far quicker than me.

For me, due to my lack of dick sensitivity, it is very important to resist wanking, so I get a better experience out of the real thing. Porn and wanking seems to me to be for when rather deprived. One should not need to wank in Thailand. LOL You could waste too much time in your life addicted to porn.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2217817]Porn does not turn you on?[/QUOTE]Tongue kissing a hot real girl turns me on very fast. Porn is a slow turn-on for me, and I like only more beautiful style of porn, not degradation, nor ugly stuff, and certainly seeing dicks does nothing for me, so fast forward BJ scenes. Just my taste. I think a real, enthusiastic girl with all the touch sensations coming in, is superior. Of course I like looking at beautiful girls, and refuse to fuck ugly ones.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2217933]My only regret, as far as all this goes, is that My Father or older Brother did take me to see a prostitute when I was 14 or 15. I was in real need back then and it would have helped me out tremendously in my relations with other girls if I had had the experience at that age.[/QUOTE]I meant to post my only regret, "is that My Father or older Brother did NOT take me to see a prostitute when I was 14 or 15. " I wish they had. 555.

Syzygies, on Japanese porn censorship: I read somewhere about the reason why some Japanese porn contains censorship and some does not. Unfortunately, I forgot what that reason was, but I do know there is a logical and legal explanation.

I also like Ukrainian girls (lesbians). For some reason the Ukraine has a lot of very pretty girls with just our body spec. Sadly, I believe the golden age to visit Kiev is long gone. I hear the scene there was really remarkable shortly after the collapse of the Soviet empire.

Along the same line of thought, I am patiently waiting for the fall of the Maduro/Chavez regime in Venezuela. It is too early and too dangerous to visit Venezuela now. I have a close Venezuelan American friend with family and friends still down there. He warns me not to go and tells me all about the present conditions. Suffice it to say it's no picnic down there at the present time. Police State! Shortages on everything! But pretty girls.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2218125]I also like Ukrainian girls (lesbians). For some reason the Ukraine has a lot of very pretty girls with just our body spec. Sadly, I believe the golden age to visit Kiev is long gone. I hear the scene there was really remarkable shortly after the collapse of the Soviet empire.

[/QUOTE]I was in Moscow after the wall came down. Unbelievable. The place to go was the Hungry Duck!

Day 3 continued from Massage Forum.

For the evening entertainment I was hunting at Nana given my easy access location. I started at Bangkok Bunnies as there was a tattooed girl I spotted in April that I hadn't got the opportunity to explore. Unfortunately, didn't find her and I was generally unimpressed with the talent. I find the girls to be a bit pushier than I like here as well and so moved on. I did notice what I thought were some better looking talent on the smaller stage on the far side on the way out. One thing that really makes a better bar for me is one in which I can see all the talent sitting in one location, bars that I have to change seats or walk around in loops to see the talent just don't do it for me.

I headed up to Billboard and settled in a good seat on the benches where I could spy both stages. Lineup was good and I worked on finding the entertainment for the night. Overall I found the selection to be decent on both, and narrowed down my selection to a terrific body #91 mostly because she was actually dancing some on stage. I was also in the mood for a girl with some ink which she had plenty of as well. If she had a better face she would be a 8 but definitely discounted to a 7. Had a drink or 2 and she was amicable so went for the barfine, 700ST 1000 LT at billboard now and I haven't seen any variance in the last 2 years to that. 3 k ST which I am also finding it harder to get girls off this at billboard in last 2 years, but she agreed to 2. 5 and 500 if I was happy. Performance was slightly above average for a gogo girl, she was nice and vocal like I like and view was great in multiple positions. I was never much of a DATY guy, but in the past few years began to enjoy this more and I think really seen better performance from the girls with this as a primer and she was no exception. I can't recall if the BJ was any good which probably means no or very short, but then wasn't what I wanted her for anyway as I rolled her around in different positions for a solid 25 minutes of fucking. She fits into my maybe repeat category, but not my "I absolutely want to see you again" set. Curious to see how a second visit would go before putting her on the shelf or throwing her out.

A couple pics from her public line feed, sorry cropped her face for her privacy. I know with her ink that's probably useless, but none the less.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2218075]Is it true the famous BJ bar has closed, lo. Lito s.[/QUOTE]Nope. It was open yesterday as I walked past from Soi 8 thru to Soi 6.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2218125]
I also like Ukrainian girls (lesbians). For some reason the Ukraine has a lot of very pretty girls with just our body spec. Sadly, I believe the golden age to visit Kiev is long gone. I hear the scene there was really remarkable shortly after the collapse of the Soviet empire.
[/QUOTE]I have not been there, and only got to do one or two Ukraine girls in Europe (Stuttgart many years back) since they aren't so common. Certainly was a real good experience. One "young" one had somewhat saggy tits, but was easy to forget that given her levels of enthusiasm. Repeated a few times. Never had a bad one (given so few), also never had any below standard fucks from Hungary, Czech, Slovakia, Croatia either. It causes a certain positive bias to certain countries. Romanian are generally good but a few duds. Bulgarian not so reliable. Least reliable in Europe for girls is Germany in my experience. Many lack enthusiasm. Latin girls are much more reliable. So would be nice to try some South American destinations.

So far only found real bi-sexual girls in Thailand that were good. Bow ex Suzie Wong had a Tom GF at times, but now has a guy and new baby. She definitely liked both dick and pussy, so was a great selection for 3 somes. She would even hint which girl she had the hots for, often one with good tits.

Nat at CH had a gorgeous body (10 points) with big tits and also seemed to be bi-sexual (enthusiastic fuck). Her Tom GF even worked as a waitress at one time. Probably only 18. That was a few years back. I think she went to work in Coyote dancing club in north of Bangkok. I really should have investigated further with some detective work. She was extremely hot and one of best ever at Crazy House. Alas that level of talent does not seem to come to CH any more. I have not BFed there for close to a year now. Last one would have been No. 4 Jane. Still see one of them privately on occasion, so avoid the BF and drinks cost. She hardly goes to work any more.

Just wanted to check with the experienced guys here if one can bar fine girls for ST / LT from Hooters. I have spotted a few nice girls at Hooters, BKK and would like to take them out.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2218125]I meant to post my only regret, "is that My Father or older Brother did NOT take me to see a prostitute when I was 14 or 15. " I wish they had. 555.
[/QUOTE]Yes I agree. We go to school and get trained in English, Arithmetic, and lots of other really useless stuff. Nothing much about sex except beware horrid diseases. I recall when I first started to hear dirty jokes in the Boy scouts at a young age, it did not quite understand that sex was supposed to be enjoyable. Why was a condom needed? LOL It dawned on me, a fuck might not be to make a baby. Ha ha.

We never got taught how to choose a compatible mate, and parents did not teach that either, hence I selected some seriously incompatible girls. Actually married the first GF. Dumb idiot. Sexually she was much worse than average and in the end she had desire but once a month. Beware any girl that never masturbated in her life. She is probably not horny enough. LOL Actually hookers in my home country were only good at most 10% of the time so eventually I migrated to Asian girls who were a better bet by far.

Even with early Asian GFs made some bad selections. Too crazy or not horny enough. Two extremes. LOL.

So yes, I believe we all need really good sex education from a young age, and really good education in the difficulty of selecting suited long term partners as well, to avoid some really serious errors. Was not till I was 35, a Thai girl gave me DATY lessons, to move me from very average to expert league, so it would not be a waste of time for her. She was a hooker not my GF. A lot of experience followed of course and that helped since we learn not all girls like it the same. However I meet few girls who don't like it at all, unless they are avoiding stimulation, although my ex wife did not like it (before I became more skilled at it). All my regular girls can cum from DATY, only one with real difficulty (she makes it only sometimes so clearly likes something different). Girls that don't like to enjoy themselves would not become my regulars. Some girls cum from other activities and positions, but DATY is the most consistent for success, much like a BBBJ is the most likely winner for a guy. I have learned girls like to use cowgirl position to get off too since they get to control the movement and the way clit gets rubbed during her grinding action.

Recently at a sex club in Europe (FKK), several times saw an older guy and young guy that really looked so much alike I could swear were father and son. Old and young brother is vaguely possible but less likely perhaps. I did not ask though. That is how it should be, right? LOL Maybe mum was kept out of the loop.

As for Bangkok I have done real sisters (maybe 3 separate sets of sisters), but never concurrently, and don't see myself ever getting to do mother and daughter. That just seems too unlikely. I currently take Pat and used to do her sister Knot before she retired. I don't refer to "Thai" style sisters that are merely relatives or friends. I refer to girls with same parents. My sisters in Europe were only half sisters, so don't really count, or maybe one pair were real sisters not too sure if there is not a very strong resemblance. It is not really a fantasy for me, just that if sisters are similar enough, one is really good often means the other will also be really good. It is better to choose more contrasting girls for a 3some, in my view, with different best aspects. If too similar, seems less point to it.

Fucking a pussy while Digits deep in another pussy does work for me. BJ with concurrent balls licking also works well. Two additional concurrent tongues in my mouth is also good. Not sure if three extra tongues would be possible. Balls paly while fucking is nice. A good threesome really has some extra sensations. Must find girls that like working together and molesting each other.

[QUOTE=GolfPhotos;2218806]Just wanted to check with the experienced guys here if one can bar fine girls for ST / LT from Hooters. I have spotted a few nice girls at Hooters, BKK and would like to take them out.[/QUOTE]Please find out and report back. Thanks.

[QUOTE=GolfPhotos;2218806]Just wanted to check with the experienced guys here if one can bar fine girls for ST / LT from Hooters. I have spotted a few nice girls at Hooters, BKK and would like to take them out.[/QUOTE]I fucked a girl who worked Hooters Pattaya before (100% true story). It cost me quite a bit. As for Nana Hooters, just ask the pappasan or manager on duty. They will tell you which girls can get barfined and which cannot. The tall Russian bartender is a good recommendation. There are short time rooms near. Just make sure you don't eat the wings before you try to take them out. Your breath will stink.

I've been to BKK several time in the past, but it has been 5 years sine zI was here. All of the previous trips had been mostly to Pattaya, with a couple of days in BKK.

Long trip, with a couple of delays, was made easier by flying Business Class on the new Delta Airbus 350's. The Delta One Suite is very nice. Checked into the Marriott Marquis Queens' Park, which also a new Hotel for me. Will be here 3 nights, then 5 nights at the JW Marriott.

Since I hadn't been here for awhile, I reached out to another member on this Board. We met for cocktails, and I decided to make my 1st ever trip to Soi Cowboy. Have to say, I was kind of impressed with the number of quality ladies that we ran into outside of all of the Go-Go's. We started, and finished at Doll House. While the 1st floor is usually not nude, it was when we first waled in around 8:30. My intention was to go to a couple of places and check them out, but there were about 3 spinners there, who impressed me. The downside of Doll House, is that their Bar Fine is 1,000 plus 2 lady drinks, so the damage up front is a little high. Since My friend speaks pretty good Thai, I had him talk to Pang for me. I think her # is either 53 or 57. She was very cute, 21, and a Coyote. A little high at 3,000, but I guess that is the going rate at Doll House now, as the waitress kept saying that. Rather than try and negotiate price, Pang agreed to be pretty open minded. On that she delivered, and she did a great job of focusing on my pleasure. She would have agreed to a 2nd shot, but at my tender age of 68, that wasn't going to happen. She provided all services that I wanted, but lacked the passion that I find is usually the case with most Go_go girls. I would barfine again for ST, but wouldn't want to do LT with her. BTW, when I got back to the Marriott Queen's Park, I went upstairs to the Rooftop Bar, and there were some great looking ladies up there. They were all with guys, but I mean some incredible looking ladies. Great place to bring your lady, and it has live entertainment.

[QUOTE=Woorace;2219052]r on this Board. We met for cocktails, and I decided to make my 1st ever trip to Soi Cowboy. Have to say, I was kind of impressed with the number of quality ladies that we ran into outside of all of the Go-Go's. We started, and finished at Doll House. While the 1st floor is usually not nude, it was when we first waled in around 8:30. My intention was to go to a couple of places and check them out, but there were about 3 spinners there, who impressed me. The downside of Doll House, is that their Bar Fine is 1,000 plus 2 lady drinks, so the damage up front is a little high.[/QUOTE]You are better to say upstairs or downstairs since "1st floor" mean different things in different countries.

It is good to point out to ET that Coyotes in Dollhouse are barfinable and do fuck (for most part). In my recent visit about 1 week ago, talent was not that good when I arrived (Friday night). Maybe 2 girls acceptable downstairs. Previous visits saw a much better standard so possible I arrived after best girls were already gone. I could see they had some naked girls upstairs mostly hags, so did not get me too interested. 8. 30 Pm to 9. 30 pm is probably best. One very pretty small Coyote girl I know. Oor (Oar / Aor) I think is the name. She was excellent first time I BFed her and 2nd time was poor. I learned she is scared of pussy damage. Must have had a problem after first time with me, even I am a gentle fucker. Some pussies are just too small I guess. Can't be compatible with all girls.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2218973]I fucked a girl who worked Hooters Pattaya before (100% true story). It cost me quite a bit. As for Nana Hooters, just ask the pappasan or manager on duty. They will tell you which girls can get barfined and which cannot. The tall Russian bartender is a good recommendation. There are short time rooms near. Just make sure you don't eat the wings before you try to take them out. Your breath will stink.[/QUOTE]Are you serious on the nana hooters being somewhere I can barfine girls and talking to papasan on duty being a real tactic? I'the feel really awkward bringing it up since hooters is supposed to be a real restaurant outside of Thailand but on other hand I'm right around the corner from that hooters in terms of my hotel, always wanted to fuck a hooters girl, and some of the Thai girls in there can be really cute.

If someone can confirm that you can barfine and bring girls back / whether this is a YMMv situation and whether it has to be after their shift ends or if it's just like normal barfine would love to hear more: the.

Has anyone spied a midget for rent in BKK? By that I mean a cute well proportioned girl less than say 4'10?

Also, is there a pornstar agency in BKK?

Its for a batchelor surprise for a guy who has never been out of the bible belt.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2218075]Is it true the famous BJ bar has closed, lo. Lito s.[/QUOTE]I guess you mean Dr. BJ on Soi 7/1? It's been renamed as Wood Bar for a couple of years. But same service basically.

What's up with the Dynasty Grande checking these girl's ID cards at the desk and demanding that they be at least 20 years old? I can understand 18, but 20? Has a new law passed?

I only took one girl so far and she was 24, so it wasn't an issue, but I thought this odd.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2218075]Is it true the famous BJ bar has closed, lo. Lito s.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gladiator69;2219846]I guess you mean Dr. BJ on Soi 7/1? It's been renamed as Wood Bar for a couple of years. But same service basically.[/QUOTE]I think he means LowLitas on the alley off Soi 8. It was open a month ago when my friend was in town.

Sorry about the spelling, the correct spelling isn't allowed.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2219202]You are better to say upstairs or downstairs since "1st floor" mean different things in different countries.

It is good to point out to ET that Coyotes in Dollhouse are barfinable and do fuck (for most part). In my recent visit about 1 week ago, talent was not that good when I arrived (Friday night). Maybe 2 girls acceptable downstairs. Previous visits saw a much better standard so possible I arrived after best girls were already gone. I could see they had some naked girls upstairs mostly hags, so did not get me too interested. 8. 30 Pm to 9. 30 pm is probably best. One very pretty small Coyote girl I know. Oor (Oar / Aor) I think is the name. She was excellent first time I BFed her and 2nd time was poor. I learned she is scared of pussy damage. Must have had a problem after first time with me, even I am a gentle fucker. Some pussies are just too small I guess. Can't be compatible with all girls.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up on that, Syzy. I haven't barfined from Soi Cowboy in quite a while myself. Don't know, something rather depressing about so much scam vibe from the girls up and down the soi. They either look sullen and grim or putting on that phony smile when in full scam mode. And, like you, the last time I went to Dollhouse I wasn't inspired by the line up and did not feel it worth the effort to even screen for quality service potential. Then again, I have been kept very busy and happy with the dating site contacts vs the way many go-go and beer bar options are going in these modern times.

[QUOTE=Sedition;2219395]Are you serious on the nana hooters being somewhere I can barfine girls and talking to papasan on duty being a real tactic? I'the feel really awkward bringing it up since hooters is supposed to be a real restaurant outside of Thailand but on other hand I'm right around the corner from that hooters in terms of my hotel, always wanted to fuck a hooters girl, and some of the Thai girls in there can be really cute.

If someone can confirm that you can barfine and bring girls back / whether this is a YMMv situation and whether it has to be after their shift ends or if it's just like normal barfine would love to hear more: the.[/QUOTE]Just my observations and mild experience with Nana Hooters from being in that area quite a bit on an almost daily basis; I have known fellows to get a Nana Hooters girl's Facebook info but have never heard that they ever hooked up later. I would say there is no harm in asking whoever is supposed to be a "papasan" in the place if the girls are barfine-able, although I think there is actually a sign posted on the premises (or maybe it was in the Soi 15 Hooters) on the topic to the effect of "Don't Even Ask". So there is that.

On the point about taking a Nana Hooters girl to a nearby Short Time hotel should the unexpected occur and some purported "papasan" okays it with one of the them, I can tell you in all the times I have been in and around Nana Hooters I have never and I mean never seen one of those girls emerge from the back of the restaurant in plain street clothes and walk out of the place with a customer headed for a nearby Short Time hotel. I have also never had any other local expat say he'd ever seen such a thing first hand either. Not saying it has never happened. It's Thailand and anything is possible. Just saying I have never seen it, never been told first hand by anyone else that they have seen it.

And I assure you a lot of the expats I am referring to are always on the lookout for such a sign of barfine-able life with regard to the Bangkok Hooters girls. I would imagine it is entirely probable that some of those Hooters girls have been fucked by guys they met in the place at some point, money involved or not. But the barfine-able, change into street clothes, head to a nearby Short Time hotel and then return to work part of it seems a stretch to me.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2219941]Then again, I have been kept very busy and happy with the dating site contacts vs the way many go-go and beer bar options are going in these modern times.[/QUOTE]Great, whatever you find most reliable. No point trying to take a girl when talent is not there. My own Bargirl selection has dropped right off. Can't remember last time tried a new girl. Okay It comes to me now. Very pretty model type from Billboard. Her performance was very so so however she warmed to me and assured me we she would be more enthusiastic next time. LOL I forget her name and number now so I probably would not pick her again. I had previously got more lucky and had an excellent lovey dovey girl from Billboard, but she found a Farang BF real quick and left. Maybe only one or two new girls tried from a bar in last year.

I find it easier to take well known reliable girls. I can't really do "dating" since have a GF already. Recently cleaned a lot of crap out of my phone in case she should see it. So I like encounters without too much time wasted. I don't like to chat to girls much on the smart phone.

The one advantage of bars for me is getting to look at the girl as long as possible before choosing and seeing the body preferably not well covered at all. I don't know if can do similar by smart phone. I guess you can. However I like to see the way a girl moves, her facial expressions convey her attitudes, etc. I suppose many dating site girls are really hookers. I saw a pic of a hot black girl on one site and tried to make contact, however she was not really willing to put in any great effort unless she was sure I was not wasting her time, and was not willing to send adequate pics to decide if I really liked her face and body. I asked several basic questions (not related to BB), but she decided she could not bother to answer them. Naturally I lost interest very fast. At least with bargirls I can call them for a drink, and ask some basic questions (I don't mean negotiation), even check if tits are real or not usually. If they don't want to answer, I move on in the same way. However I do agree that standard of available bargirls at an affordable price has declined.

I like having several possible girls to pick from, all very nice looking, and then take time to try to choose the best one, when needing a new girl.

As for Hooters girls. I think a guy will look stupid asking if he can barfine some girl there (I may be wrong). Suppose he can BF for some high price, I am sure that sex is not on the menu. On the other hand, privately contacting the girls, one could get lucky, or offer a ridiculous amount of money. I am sure they are all officially not available. There are plenty of Coyote girls around that can be barfined to take them to dinner or a disco, but not for sex. Not very useful to me. I don't need to have the image of the gorgeous girl on my arm. I would rather be not seen so much.

I do have a place where there is a smart girl good to just chat to (no sex). Fortunately that does not cost me more than her drink. No need to take her away, unless I need company for a restaurant. This one such girl, knew I took young bargirls for sex, and was surprised when seeing a pic of my girlfriend, that my GF is hot. She was then even more puzzled, about why I frequent the bargirls. I had to explain was purely lack of regular enough sex (maybe slight distortion) . She consults me about English Language and I consult her about Thai. Good exchange. She even consulted me about how to get better sex from her BF. LOL Supposedly my advice was quite helpful. He needed to be Viagra dosed so that he could make sex for long enough, instead of "wham bam thankyou mam", when she had hardly got started. He probably also needed DATY training, although she can probably get off in cowgirl if his dick stays up long enough. He was vastly younger than me Farang that she calls her buddy with benefits, but he was sexually selfish, not really caring if the girl's needs were met (initially the benefits were one-sided). Amazing some guys get a regular freebie and still can't give the girl a good time, and I have to give advice to help her fix it. LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2219944]And I assure you a lot of the expats I am referring to are always on the lookout for such a sign of barfine-able life with regard to the Bangkok Hooters girls. I would imagine it is entirely probable that some of those Hooters girls have been fucked by guys they met in the place at some point, money involved or not. But the barfine-able, change into street clothes, head to a nearby Short Time hotel and then return to work part of it seems a stretch to me.[/QUOTE]A lady friend of mine, not a working girl has a friend working at Hooters Nana since it opened and told me suggesting that the manager there will point out girls that fuck for money is pure fantasy. That is not to say that girls there have not met customers where a mutual attraction has led to a relationship of sorts but no different to could happen at a Starbucks. As far as I can tell if there are girls there that moonlight or double up as hookers it's a well-kept secret. But who knows!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2219881]What's up with the Dynasty Grande checking these girl's ID cards at the desk and demanding that they be at least 20 years old? I can understand 18, but 20? Has a new law passed?

I only took one girl so far and she was 24, so it wasn't an issue, but I thought this odd.[/QUOTE]I had same problem at Hotel Solo (Soi 2) a few years back and reported that. My companion was Aor aged 19. I had not even checked her age beforehand.

Quite a few sex establishments are not hiring girls under 20, can't say I understand it. It violates their right to work and make money IMHO.

The rectification for me, was that the Hotel allowed me to check her in as a regular Hotel guest (I had booked for two). She was staying the night anyway. So I can have a room for two including a 19 YO girl, but I cannot have a "visitor" aged 19. Go figure! Sounded stupid to me. Fortunately I don't take street walker girls back to my Hotel. So my girls can be trusted.

Clearly these Hotels are to be avoided. I like Hotels where there check nothing, just ignore me and my girl passing by. Don't need places so pompous. I certainly don't want hassles if I have 2 or 3 girl visitors at the same time, or even separately same day. I had these situations recently. Next week I am also likely to have multiple visitors same day, so I prefer no checking, no rules. One is Laos, not even Thai, and state of her passport is not known. Have not checked her age (she tells me older but who knows). I went through at Sakura Sky Hotel without a check (perhaps fortunate).

In my experience, the behaviour at any Hotel is likely to be inconsistent. Depends on which member of staff you happen to meet.

Always good to have a ST Hotel in mind as a backup in case of running into difficulties at your regular Hotel, and girl is not trusted enough to be "Checked in" normally. ST Hotels never check anything about the girl, not nationality, Gender, age, nothing. Most customers at the ST Hotel I normally use, are Asian and are bringing a LB. LOL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2219881]What's up with the Dynasty Grande checking these girl's ID cards at the desk and demanding that they be at least 20 years old? I can understand 18, but 20? Has a new law passed?

I only took one girl so far and she was 24, so it wasn't an issue, but I thought this odd.[/QUOTE]The only association with age 20 that comes to mind is that is the legal age to drink alcohol in Thailand. And the catch is the proprietor or seller of the booze is the one who gets hit with legal charges. So maybe there is some issue with a hotel room having a mini bar from which the girl might "buy" a beer or another alcoholic beverage at some point. Room service booze purchases might come into play as well.

Where that theory falls apart though is what about anyone under the age of 20 staying in that same hotel room, a child with his parents for instance. Are they prevented from going to the room too? No.

But maybe an unspoken understanding between the cops/judges and hotel proprietors in Bangkok that the most likely scenario is an apparent P4P customer and his 18 or 19 year old date is when almost all the mini bar raiding is likely to happen takes precedence and there is no way for the hotel "seller" of the booze to claim ignorance or surprise about that. The fear level about it might vary from hotel to hotel or depend on how often a particular hotel has had a close call on the issue.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2220007]The only association with age 20 that comes to mind is that is the legal age to drink alcohol in Thailand. [/QUOTE]I recall seeing a pub in England with a sign saying open to patrons 21 years and over. WTF?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2220007]The only association with age 20 that comes to mind is that is the legal age to drink alcohol in Thailand. And the catch is the proprietor or seller of the booze is the one who gets hit with legal charges. So maybe there is some issue with a hotel room having a mini bar from which the girl might "buy" a beer or another alcoholic beverage at some point. Room service booze purchases might come into play as well. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2219963]I had same problem at Hotel Solo (Soi 2) a few years back and reported that. My companion was Aor aged 19. I had not even checked her age beforehand.
Quite a few sex establishments are not hiring girls under 20, can't say I understand it. It violates their right to work and make money IMHO.

The rectification for me, was that the Hotel allowed me to check her in as a regular Hotel guest (I had booked for two). She was staying the night anyway. So I can have a room for two including a 19 YO girl, but I cannot have a "visitor" aged 19. Go figure! Sounded stupid to me. [/QUOTE]EihTooms, I don't think it has anything to do with the legal age to drink alcohol because in that case the hotel would not have allowed Syzygies to check her in as a regular hotel guest. And there have been more guys who reported about this work around.

In my country (Holland) the rooms in the RLDs are often not leased to girls under the age of 21, even though the legal age for prostitution is 18. The companies that rent out the rooms are doing this because girls under 21 are more often trafficked or forced to work (by pimps) than girls above that age. So maybe it has something to do with that in Thailand as well when hotels set an age limit of 20.

[QUOTE=Sedition;2219395]Are you serious on the nana hooters being somewhere I can barfine girls and talking to papasan on duty being a real tactic? I'the feel really awkward bringing it up since hooters is supposed to be a real restaurant outside of Thailand but on other hand I'm right around the corner from that hooters in terms of my hotel, always wanted to fuck a hooters girl, and some of the Thai girls in there can be really cute.

If someone can confirm that you can barfine and bring girls back / whether this is a YMMv situation and whether it has to be after their shift ends or if it's just like normal barfine would love to hear more: the.[/QUOTE]It's probably YMMV. I do what I am able to do because I am me. No need to ask others, everybody knows their limits. Just avoid those with negativity and loser's mentality. And just because others haven't done so, doesn't mean it's impossible. Like I said before, we aren't all on the same playing field when it comes to P4P, nor when it comes to life. Some are blessed with charm, good looks, persuasion, money, game, empathy, and all sorts of different powers. I'm lucky to have all that. I paid 8,000 baht for the Hooters girl and it was from after shift until next day after lunch. This was done 2 times consecutively. On another note, I see that Nana Plaza has added a retractile roof in case it rains. It's pouring down right now, but so dry inside. They will take all of Soi Cowboy's clients.

My first day in Bangkok, I was browsing WeChat and ran across Analisa Nana Massage. I am staying on Sukhumvit 7/1 so it was a very near my hotel, close to Loleetas and the other BJ bar. I was intrigued with their offer for fetish play at just 2000 baht. I like kink, so decided to pay them a visit. When I arrived, I was shown the line up available. None of the girls were my type. I was about to leave when mamasan offered me a girl from another location. Her name was Coy. I was shown photos of her and I agreed to meet her. I was offered some water and waited for about 20 minutes. When she arrived, she was sexy as fuck! Coy was about 5'3" with a petite body and nice big tits. Mamasan told me she is a special request girl and has to be asked for because she rotates location. I paid the 2000 plus and extra 1000 to take her to my room nearby. If the deed was done there, it would have only cost 2000 baht. In my room she stripped down to some kind of tight leather wear with ropes tied all over her body, similar to the girls at Angel Witch. She gave a stellar PSE performance that ended in CIM and COF. She was a three holes type of girl and gave up that asshole. It was sexy to watch her actually ride the hell out my dick with her ass, while playing with her pussy. Although she worked for Analisa Nana, there was no massage involved. Just sucking and fucking her puss and ass for an hour or so. After we were done, I asked if she worked everyday and she told me she is normally available after 5 pm, but has to be requested because she is busy. Below are some snap shots of their WeChat profile with girls. I managed to snap a pic of that wonderful ass of hers that was able to take a long pounding without complaint. Nice PSE experience for only 3,000 total.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2220012]I recall seeing a pub in England with a sign saying open to patrons 21 years and over. WTF?[/QUOTE]The moment of entering your hotel with a young lady might not be the best time to engage in a prolonged discussion with the clerk about why he won't allow you to take a 19 year old into your room, but have you ever asked the clerk why? That might solve the mystery I suppose. I live in an apartment building without a front desk so there is no confrontation or conversation with anyone about anything when I take a girl to my room.

A couple of years ago I tried to get a Short Time room on the premises of Nana Plaza with a go-go dancer I'd been with several times already. It was raining hard and we didn't want to deal with that going back to my apartment. The clerk looked at her I.D., smiled, handed it back to her and said something to her in Thai that I did not understand. She timidly told me we could not get a room here. So we fought through the heavy rain to get a taxi and went to my apartment as before. I did not ask the clerk why and when I asked the girl why later she just smiled sheepishly and shrugged it off. I didn't press for the answer.

Could have been about her age, her residency, whatever. Some Nana Plaza go-gos had recently been busted for hiring girls with those particular issues and it is possible the clerk in that Nana Plaza Short Time hotel was being extra cautious about it.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2220158]My first day in Bangkok, I was browsing WeChat and ran across Analisa Nana Massage. I am staying on Sukhumvit 7/1 so it was a very near my hotel, close to Loleetas and the other BJ bar. I was intrigued with their offer for fetish play at just 2000 baht. I like kink, so decided to pay them a visit. When I arrived, I was shown the line up available. None of the girls were my type. I was about to leave when mamasan offered me a girl from another location. Her name was Coy. I was shown photos of her and I agreed to meet her. I was offered some water and waited for about 20 minutes. When she arrived, she was sexy as fuck! Coy was about 5'3" with a petite body and nice big tits. Mamasan told me she is a special request girl and has to be asked for because she rotates location. I paid the 2000 plus and extra 1000 to take her to my room nearby. If the deed was done there, it would have only cost 2000 baht. In my room she stripped down to some kind of tight leather wear with ropes tied all over her body, similar to the girls at Angel Witch. She gave a stellar PSE performance that ended in CIM and COF. She was a three holes type of girl and gave up that asshole. It was sexy to watch her actually ride the hell out my dick with her ass, while playing with her pussy. Although she worked for Analisa Nana, there was no massage involved. Just sucking and fucking her puss and ass for an hour or so. After we were done, I asked if she worked everyday and she told me she is normally available after 5 pm, but has to be requested because she is busy. Below are some snap shots of their WeChat profile with girls. I managed to snap a pic of that wonderful ass of hers that was able to take a long pounding without complaint. Nice PSE experience for only 3,000 total.[/QUOTE]How long ago was this? Did you mean your first night ever in Bangkok? LOL The gal from Analisa on Line had never heard of Coy, even using the picture. Same answer when I called in and spoke to someone else. I get that she moved around but you'd figure they'd at least be aware of her.

On an unrelated note, I tried the wechat "people nearby" app last night and nabbed a foxy mid 20's Korean gal for 4 k. I recommend it if you haven't tried. Easy enough to set something up once you weed through all the LB's. Don't forget to video chat prior to meeting though.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2220047]Like I said before, we aren't all on the same playing field when it comes to P4P, nor when it comes to life. Some are blessed with charm, good looks, persuasion, money, game, empathy, and all sorts of different powers. I'm lucky to have all that. I paid 8,000 baht for the Hooters girl SNIP[/QUOTE]I'm only modest. Damn!
But if you have all of that then why didn't you get her for free?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2219944]On the point about taking a Nana Hooters girl to a nearby Short Time hotel should the unexpected occur and some purported "papasan" okays it with one of the them, I can tell you in all the times I have been in and around Nana Hooters I have never and I mean never seen one of those girls emerge from the back of the restaurant in plain street clothes and walk out of the place with a customer headed for a nearby Short Time hotel. I have also never had any other local expat say he'd ever seen such a thing first hand either. Not saying it has never happened. It's Thailand and anything is possible. Just saying I have never seen it, never been told first hand by anyone else that they have seen it. [/QUOTE]I've been there a few times and I've also never seen any girls leave with a guy, and I've been there at closing time a few times. Have been recently because I haven't been to BKK for a while. I would think that Hooters is a pretty good gig for a girl who doesn't want to P4 P, probably a second job or someting, and I doubt that they would risk getting fired for a few thousand baht with a guy they don't know. Maybe a real regular there could get one as his GF, not sure though.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2220318]I'm only modest. Damn!
But if you have all of that then why didn't you get her for free?[/QUOTE]Because 8000 is nothing to him and that makes it the same as free?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2220318]I'm only modest. Damn!
But if you have all of that then why didn't you get her for free?[/QUOTE]From the bits and pieces I've read, maybe 8,000 baht feels as close to "free" as the fellow has ever gotten it. After all, he did appear to be proud of getting it at that amount. Might have cost me 8,500 baht since I am loaded up with only most of those special powers, not all of them. I've been running a bit short on empathy lately.

So Monday night it was pouring down rain. Nana and Thermae didn't have anything that stood out. After spending about 3000 baht in drinks, I headed back to my room to play on Thai Friendly. Met a cute girl named May on TF, we then exchanged WeChat and got down to trading photos and talking business. I offered her 2500 for 2 hours of her time to suck and fuck. She agreed and met me at room around 11 pm, but ended up staying until 3 am. She was GFE all the way and allowed for BBBJ, DFK, and CIM. We started by showering together where she sucked me off until I blew my wad in her mouth. She ate every drop like it was lobster bisque. May is very receptive to foreplay and DATY. She can cum easily this way and likes it for long periods. She allowed me multiple pops in our session. Standing doggy over the bed is her favorite position. One of the most tightest pussies I've fucked. So she may not be a pro. Keep in mind it was raining hard, so she wasn't in a rush, but YMMV with her services and prices. Talking with her afterwards, she is farang friendly and always looking for more customers. Now, it seems that even though I don't have a high number of posts on this board, but pound for pound, they have a lot of impact. So here's another one!

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2220047]It's probably YMMV. I do what I am able to do because I am me. No need to ask others, everybody knows their limits. Just avoid those with negativity and loser's mentality. And just because others haven't done so, doesn't mean it's impossible. Like I said before, we aren't all on the same playing field when it comes to P4P, nor when it comes to life. Some are blessed with charm, good looks, persuasion, money, game, empathy, and all sorts of different powers. I'm lucky to have all that. I paid 8,000 baht for the Hooters girl and it was from after shift until next day after lunch. This was done 2 times consecutively. On another note, I see that Nana Plaza has added a retractile roof in case it rains. It's pouring down right now, but so dry inside. They will take all of Soi Cowboy's clients.[/QUOTE]Not least of which is a vivid imagination combined with a Walter Mitty affliction.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2220339]I've been there a few times and I've also never seen any girls leave with a guy, and I've been there at closing time a few times. Have been recently because I haven't been to BKK for a while. I would think that Hooters is a pretty good gig for a girl who doesn't want to P4 P, probably a second job or someting, and I doubt that they would risk getting fired for a few thousand baht with a guy they don't know. Maybe a real regular there could get one as his GF, not sure though.[/QUOTE]I eat at Hooters on every trip, probably a dozen times over the last few years and have never seen any mongering behaviour there too and would think if it did happen it would be rare. Having said this the girls are smoking hot, very friendly and in a 3rd world country anything is possible.

A discrete THB 8000 offer after a bit of chit chat and chemistry could be a number that works occasionally, probably not every time but occasionally.

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2220400]I eat at Hooters on every trip, probably a dozen times over the last few years and have never seen any mongering behaviour there too and would think if it did happen it would be rare. Having said this the girls are smoking hot, very friendly and in a 3rd world country anything is possible.

A discrete THB 8000 offer after a bit of chit chat and chemistry could be a number that works occasionally, probably not every time but occasionally.[/QUOTE]I can confirm that as well. I'm in BKK at least three or four times a year and then I'm there almost every day for some beer and a ceasa salad. I've been talking to the girls very often, but there was never more.

Went to Crazy House today in the rain at 9:30 pm. Was asked to buy a drink at the door. Weird but okay. Was deciding on the drink when the doorman asked to see some ID. I didn't carry my passport on me so he said I couldn't enter. Is this a new thing? I'm Asian and could be mistaken for Thai so I doubt that it's racialy motivsted.

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2220400]I eat at Hooters on every trip, probably a dozen times over the last few years and have never seen any mongering behaviour there too and would think if it did happen it would be rare. Having said this the girls are smoking hot, very friendly and in a 3rd world country anything is possible.

A discrete THB 8000 offer after a bit of chit chat and chemistry could be a number that works occasionally, probably not every time but occasionally.[/QUOTE]Yes, getting a contact number and dating a Nana Hooters girl after hours, even extending it to an all-nighter, and handing her an 8,000 baht "gift" afterwards is a very different story from the one about working with some supposed papasan on the premises, paying a barfine to take her out of Hooters for an hour in the middle of her shift and parading her before every Nana area punter and business owner right to the entrance of a nearby Short Time hotel. LOL.

That said, Nana Hooters girls, just like servers in several regular restaurants in the area, might have a P4P past. So it is not out of the question for them to possibly reactivate it every now and then.

One Nana Hooters girl who worked there for several months a year or so ago used to work at a late night cart bar near Sukhumvit Soi 7 a few years ago when there tons of them on the scene. Then she popped up on the Smooci escort booking site for a while.

I took her twice when she was working at the late night cart bar for a 500 baht barfine and 1,000 baht to her for ST my way. I don't recall having to apply much charm, good looks, powers of persuasion or empathy to have a hassle-free Real GFE with her for that price.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2220242]The moment of entering your hotel with a young lady might not be the best time to engage in a prolonged discussion with the clerk about why he won't allow you to take a 19 year old into your room, but have you ever asked the clerk why? That might solve the mystery I suppose.[/QUOTE]I asked the clerk and she said it's a new law to stop [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]. No girl under the age of 20 is now allowed in the Dynasty Grande. The hotel is owned by a former policeman and he is sticking strictly to this rule now.

I tested this theory the other night and took a 19 year old from Crazy House to the hotel. They did not allow her in. As such, I am done with Dynasty Grande. I am certain that not all hotels are doing this. Under 18 I can understand, but under 20 is absurd.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2220456]I asked the clerk and she said it's a new law to stop "Code Word". No girl under the age of 20 is now allowed in the Dynasty Grande. The hotel is owned by a former policeman and he is sticking strictly to this rule now.

I tested this theory the other night and took a 19 year old from Crazy House to the hotel. They did not allow her in. As such, I am done with Dynasty Grande. I am certain that not all hotels are doing this. Under 18 I can understand, but under 20 is absurd.[/QUOTE]OMG, thanks for the warning. I will definitely put Dynasty Grande Bangkok on my "hotels to avoid" list for any friends visiting Thailand. But, just to clarify a little, are you saying the clerk said there is an actual new law on Thailand's books with regard to hotel visitors that the hotel's former policeman owner intends to follow to the letter or that it is merely a new rule conjured up in the owner's mind that he has decided to impose for his particular hotel?

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this new law and don't recall reading about it on the usual Bangkok news update sites like Stickboy Bangkok and so on. If it is a new Thai law, every hotel is apt to follow it to the letter at a moment's notice if anyone on the staff suspects the authorities are paying attention.

That puts those of us who live here in non-hotel residences in a special position of ease and privilege when it comes to bringing 18 and 19 year old girls back to our rooms! I'll be sure to incorporate that important bit of info into my pre-barfine and pre-date interviews and chit-chat. Sorry, guys.

[QUOTE=Applesauce;2220445]Went to Crazy House today in the rain at 9:30 pm. Was asked to buy a drink at the door. Weird but okay. Was deciding on the drink when the doorman asked to see some ID. I didn't carry my passport on me so he said I couldn't enter. Is this a new thing? I'm Asian and could be mistaken for Thai so I doubt that it's racialy motivsted.[/QUOTE]Could be normal if you look Thai or similar, or like a waste of space, or look like someone just trying to get out of the rain. If American ID. , no problem. They try to estimate guest behaviour based on looks. If you look Japanese or Korean you would never have a problem.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2220047] On another note, I see that Nana Plaza has added a retractile roof in case it rains. It's pouring down right now, but so dry inside. They will take all of Soi Cowboy's clients.[/QUOTE]Why? Many of the Cowboy clients becoming pissed off with it, are already pissed off with Nana as well, which also has too many LBs and too many Coyotes. What is coming so good in Nana? Billboard has some nice girls for me, but I don't like how dark it is in there. I don't see many other bars are so exciting. Most bars that open in Nana, close very soon, lack of customers. Mercury was going so bad it changed to a LB bar. Once was an okay Bar but long time ago. There is no full nudity in Nana so they can't really attract guys who want to see everything.

Will guys who liked Cowboy before, suddenly like Nana much better? Can't see why.

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2220400]
A discrete THB 8000 offer after a bit of chit chat and chemistry could be a number that works occasionally, probably not every time but occasionally.[/QUOTE]Every girl is a potential hooker, it is just a question of price. 10 million Baht, then for sure. No need to look down on girls who are forced to do it for less. No need to expect every girl to have the same price either. It is up to her, how much will persuade her and that could vary a lot. Then of course the guy can decide he wants some cheaper hag instead. Hard to imagine a hooter's girl going with a guy for 1 K. She must be so dumb if she doesn't know she is worth a lot more. The smart girl can get 8 K (performance might be similar).

I have a girl with no legal status to work in Thailand. She finds it very difficult to get work, despite having an extremely cute face, yet has mother's medical bills to pay, and can't speak English. She can't really refuse to do me because she needs the money. Yet she still seems to make it into a good time and rides me cowgirl style very enthusiastically. Might as well enjoy your work. LOL I think she might be forced to take a lot of Thai customers via the internet in the future, because of her lack of English skills, if she finds out how to do that. Don't know if she considered this option yet. Used to work in an MP but kicked out with the crackdown. She is pretty enough to work hooters, if had English, Thai ID card, and bigger tits. LOL Some girls just got dealt a bad hand. Could go back to Savanakeht (Laos) and try to make a pittance there with only 6th grade schooling.

Evening 2 in Bangkok headed back to Nana. While I am in between trips reading ISG or twitter I will save pics or make notes on specific girls to check out. I really just use it like a scavenger hunt. Over time I have been in almost every bar in the place so this just gives me an interesting way to start my evening shopping. Proceeded to angelwitch to hunt for #32 from some posts a while back. I am found of the outfits at angelwitch as I have been a sucker for thigh highs especially with garter belts and the music is usually decent. #32 was probably the best of the bunch I saw, but there were a few others as well, however nothing really moved me and I often don't choose from the first bar I stop at as I figure I can always come back and you never know what's around the corner.

My next stop was butterflys to seek out 442 from some report a while back. There had been some renovations since last year and the setup is definitely better now with the high ceiling brought down and the 2 story stage gone. The seating configuration is still strange though with a lack of good seats with good angles to find a companion. I don't recall the lineup as particularly good or bad, just average, but I was able to find 442. She is a cutie and as someone noted quite young as well at 19/20 with that perfect tight little body, but basically no breasts though, A cup at best. Very little English so even with my bit of thai it was a bit difficult to communicate. I have to admit that I don't recall why I even decided to proceed at this point, some of it was definitely the fascination of her being half my age and fresh off the farm. Had to negotiate with mamasan due to language barrier. I asked for long time as part of my normal practice from experience and from a discussion on the forum a long while back. If the girl is unwilling to go long time it's a red flag for me, it's not an absolute abort but it does give me pause. In my experience girls willing to go LT are less likely to be rushing to something or someone else and are focused on the moment and earning as much as possible which hopeful translates to giving me her best service. I don't always end up taking them LT but I like to know the option is there if we go ST and hit it off and that she isn't preplanning something else before we have even hit the room. I couldn't get the mamason below 5 k and I should have just taken her ST but went for it instead. I can't recall if the barfine was tiered for ST / LT like billboard or not, but was definitely not less than 700. She changed up and looked quite cute and more comfortable in street clothes and back to the landmark we went.

She is definitely still shy and honestly took a lot of playing around and patience to get her to relax to even get her clothes off and get showered, if you spoke thai it would definitely be easier to develop rapport as I was struggling. After getting her robe off worked on LFK to some more tongue and then down to some DATY which definitely helped warm her up and she responded nicely and the juices started flowing. She was so fresh off the farm you could taste the rice. I figured her BJ wouldn't be very good and she didn't make any motion for it so suited up and went straight for it. She was very tight and I am slightly above average (so the girls say, what do I know) so had to take it incredibly slow. I enjoy this sometimes as it really extends the session and lets me really enjoy the girl's body and study her reactions in a different way. Probably worked it slowly and building in mish for a good 25 minutes. Moved her into some cowgirl but it wasn't that great and she seemed tired so switched to doggie spoon for another 10 or so minutes. At this point she had been so tight and we had been going at it long enough the condom had gotten too stretched and needed changed and then back to doggie spoon, but she had started to get dry and I reached for the lube but she decided she wanted to try it her way with a HJ which I told her wouldn't work so she gets in there with a pretty decent BJ. I warned her it would take a while but she seemed to want to give her snatch a break and worked it until she got me there. Surprisingly she didn't pull off at the end and took the initial load in the mouth without making a fuss and spit it right away and kept jerking somewhat like she was expecting more, haha.

In the morning she was up early to go to temple, which I said was fine, but I would only give her 3 k for ST and taxi money which she was cool with.

So in recap honestly unless you are looking for a project and a challenge I can't recommend her unless the age thing really does it for you. Doing 1 girl like this on a 2 week trip was entertaining, but any more than that and is a pain in the ass. I have kept up some messages with her on line and am going to take another shot at it in November just to see how a 2nd time goes and out of curiosity to see how another 3 months on and off the pole affects her performance. I will report back.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2220318]I'm only modest. Damn!
But if you have all of that then why didn't you get her for free?[/QUOTE]When I was very young, I watched as Michael Jordan stole the ball and had an open lane to the goal, he could of easily dribbled the basketball for a lay up. Instead he chose to dunk it with a leap from the free throw line. It was risky and could have been embarrassing if he had failed. But he did not. Those who admired the feat wonder "how?" Those that were not in tune to NBA basketball only asked "why" when there was an easier way.

So why on that day did I choose to walk 15 minutes to Hooters when I could have paid for a taxi?

Why did I order a Caesar salad with grilled salmon when Hooters is famous for their buffalo chicken wings?

Why did I tip an extra 20% when Hooters already added 10% gratuity to my final bill?

And lastly, why did I pay 8,000 baht, when it supposedly could have been for free?

Because I can. If it's better for me than I do it. And until a person can do something, they will never understand why others do it. Instead they should be asking "how" if they want to improve themselves. That's why there are winners and losers in life.

[QUOTE=TrueBlue666;2220312]How long ago was this? Did you mean your first night ever in Bangkok? LOL The gal from Analisa on Line had never heard of Coy, even using the picture. Same answer when I called in and spoke to someone else. I get that she moved around but you'd figure they'd at least be aware of her.

On an unrelated note, I tried the wechat "people nearby" app last night and nabbed a foxy mid 20's Korean gal for 4 k. I recommend it if you haven't tried. Easy enough to set something up once you weed through all the LB's. Don't forget to video chat prior to meeting though.[/QUOTE]So you reached out to them and LINED them, anonymously, about (please read my report again) "a special girl" that was offered to me when I went "in person" to the shop and "paid extra" for. Are you serious? If a recipe is given, the recipe should be followed. No wonder many fail where I have succeeded. Did it ever occurred to you that this girl mighty be choosy or picky on her customers and requires screening from management that involves a person actually walking in and not done over the phone? To me she was a knock out. Kind of short, but the body and face was banging. I would expect her to be working discreetly and made only available to those that she has given management to what she wants in a customer. Better off going in and asking. They have like 3 locations, I think. So many girls to choose from.

P.S. Kakao is the most popular app used by Koreans, not WeChat. Be wary of post ops disguised as foreign workers. But if they are hot and have a pussy, the less you know, the better off.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2200514]On my last night in Bangkok, which was Sunday, I decided to see for myself what the commotion was about surrounding #32 at Angel Witch. It was around 9:30 pm when I rolled in. This was the first time, I have been there in 3 and 1/2 years. After 2 rounds of line up changes, I still didn't see a #32. There were some girls who didn't have badges, but they were not attractive to me. You had mentioned she had a stunner type face, but to be honest, none of the girls I saw there were (IMHO) were worthy of #1 girl at Nana. So #32 may always be mystery and "your secret" to keep...[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2198255]I headed up one more floor to Butterflies. Within 30 seconds of entry, I saw her. All the girls dancing wore the soccer outfits because of the World Cup Series, but the one that stood out to me had a cute Japanese look to her, #442. I asked the waitress to call #442 down. She even made the gesture with her fingers 4-4-2, when I repeated the number. The girl was dancing right in front of me. Waitress walked around the bar and then came back 2 minutes later. She then told me #442 is not working tonight. She holiday! I looked at the waitress, pointed at the girl, and said she is right in front of us! Waitress went to the stage, stared at her badge and then only gave me a stupid look. When #442 came down she seemed surprised I called her. Her name was Music. [/QUOTE][QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2220521]Evening 2 in Bangkok headed back to Nana. While I am in between trips reading ISG or twitter I will save pics or make notes on specific girls to check out. I really just use it like a scavenger hunt. Over time I have been in almost every bar in the place so this just gives me an interesting way to start my evening shopping. Proceeded to angelwitch to hunt for #32 from some posts a while back. I am found of the outfits at angelwitch as I have been a sucker for thigh highs especially with garter belts and the music is usually decent. #32 was probably the best of the bunch I saw, but there were a few others as well, however nothing really moved me and I often don't choose from the first bar I stop at as I figure I can always come back and you never know what's around the corner...[/QUOTE]Nice thorough report with good identifiers. Glad my previous reports helped you hunt in BKK. I knew I had a few fans out there on this board that know how to use the information I gave them. And about #442 at Butterflies, nice little firm ass, right?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2220507]Why? Many of the Cowboy clients becoming pissed off with it, are already pissed off with Nana as well, which also has too many LBs and too many Coyotes. What is coming so good in Nana? Billboard has some nice girls for me, but I don't like how dark it is in there. I don't see many other bars are so exciting. Most bars that open in Nana, close very soon, lack of customers. Mercury was going so bad it changed to a LB bar. Once was an okay Bar but long time ago. There is no full nudity in Nana so they can't really attract guys who want to see everything.

Will guys who liked Cowboy before, suddenly like Nana much better? Can't see why.[/QUOTE]Nana has totally renovated their entertainment complex. It has more security, more bars, food every where, and is indoors, sorta. The roof allows for the party to go on even when it's raining. Soi Cowboy doesn't. Even in low season, Nana has more girls now. Last night at Angel Witch, there were at least 30 girls by 8:30 pm. In Rainbow 2, which traditionally caters to Asians only, there were 4 line up changes and about 50-60 girls. Rainbow 2 (in the corner first floor), now has coyotes dancers who are more readily available to farangs and other non-Asian customers. There were at least 30 of them working last night. Their barfine is 1000 baht. I've already taken #501, a brand new 22 year old cute coyote dancer. Her name is Sony. Service from her was better than most girls put out at Rainbow 2. She offered BBBJ until CIM and DFK (before the CIM). Her English is good so I expect her to be farang friendly. I think Rainbow 2 is going away from Asian preferred to trying to change it's image to be more like Rainbows 1, 3, and 5.

Last night, I ended grabbing a girl named Praew, #862 from Billboard. It was nearing 10 pm and she was the cutest one there. She was taller for a Thai girl with a cute face, slim body, long legs, great ass, but small tits. Still overall, she was the best one at Billboard and it was pouring down rain outside. I stole her from a Japanese guy who was with friends, and had bought her a drink before me. He was cheap and only told the waitress, he would wait until she comes off the stage. I saw what he did and bought her the 2 drinks minimum to come off the stage immediately. She smiled, bounced off the spinning carousel and jumped on my lap. The Japanese guy and his buddies just gave me dirty looks because they didn't have a clue about how the drinks work at Billboard. Praew told me she had seen me many times in Pattaya, but always afraid to say "Hi" because I was always with a pretty girl. She previously worked Palace and Glass House. Ironically, I've never seen her until this night. After she down her first drink, a tequila rose shot, I asked her without hesitation. Can you barfine? She said "yes, what we do?" I said, "fuck. " She grinned and asked why I chose her. I told her honestly this. "You are very narak (cute). Looking at you and your style, you like girls, probably have a tomboy. So all you care about is money. I have money mak mak. I don't like girls who like to play games or get jealous. I want to fuck you, pay you, tip you for good service. And then tomorrow, night I want to fuck her. " Then I pointed to another girl who was shaking her ass on stage. She just smiled and asked how long. We agreed on 4000 baht for 2 hours. I also did her a favor by paying the long time barfine of 1000 instead of 700, so she did not have to return back to work because of the rain. I then asked her if she wanted to finish her drink with the Japanese guy and his friends. She said not really. So I told the waitress to bring over the shot he bought for her to my table and put it on my bill. Praew stood up, walked over and apologized to him, and went off to the dressing room to change her clothes. In case anybody thinks I do any type of racial profiling at the Go Go bars, point proven.

Back to Praew. She is a hustler 110%. You can tell by how she treated the Japanese guy who only bought her 1 drink. Anybody who wants to play with her or take her out needs be very careful. If you have no hustle or no game, she will eat you alive and you will get disappointed at her level of service. I had to play back extra hard with her more than most girls in the past. I would compare her game level to that of Fern at Palace. Meaning she spent most of her time sitting with me, seeming uninterested, and texting on her phone. Even after we agreed on sex and money. She didn't talk much or asked questions like she even cared one bit. Anyways, Monkeypaw still won in the bedroom, but had to overwork a bit. The things I had to do and the things I had to tell her got me a better experience, but YMMV. Back in the room, she was completely shaved and enjoyed DATY for 30 minutes until she came twice. Then she became more receptive to a BBBJ that lasted only 5 minutes but had good technique. I'm telling you now, you won't get the BBBJ or even a BJ, unless you give her DATY and make her cum in order to get her turned on. We went through many positions and even went back to more DATY for the next hour or so. She remained wet from cumming before. Her best position to fuck in was doggy, which split open them cheeks, to reveal an asshole that opened up easily. This is when I finally shot my load. I pulled off the condom and so much cum squirted on her bare ass and dripped in her asshole down to her pussy. She got mad that I shot my load on her and tries to wipe some on me. I am fast and I was able to dodge her rude behavior. On anther note, it looks as if she had some history with ass fucking, the way her hole opened up during sex. I did shove a thumb in there while doing her doggy, but didn't go further. I'm still shell shocked from the Thermae girl that shitted on my dick awhile back. Anyways, our session was better than expected considering her cold attitude before. She even gave me DFK throughout us fucking. Then again, I did tell her in the beginning that all I wanted was to use that body of hers and nothing much more. Strangely, after we were done, she asked if I wanted to come to her birthday part after midnight on the 11th of this month. I was like, "not really, I'll be in Pattaya fucking other girls." She made an ugly face, stuck out her tongue at me, and left my room.

P.S. Praew is in the middle wearing a 10 on her shirt.

Hello Folks,

Just coming back from Demo nighclub in arena 10 after some fun in Yes Karaoke. Lot of girls in Demo bw 12-2, some of them were pretty cute.

Can someone please guide me with the reasonable rate. Not worried about paying, but wouldn't want to get completely scammed or spoil the market.

I understand massage, BJ bars, Thermae, gogos etc. But this is a new joint I encountered. So wanted to check once.

Would appreciate your help!

Safe Mongering,

LC.

P.S. : Independent Consultant; Frequently travel to Thailand for work. This time around for an year or so.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2220589]Back in the room, she was completely shaved and enjoyed DATY for 30 minutes until she came twice. Then she became more receptive to a BBBJ that lasted only 5 minutes but had good technique. I'm telling you now, you won't get the BBBJ or even a BJ, unless you give her DATY and make her cum in order to get her turned on. We went through many positions and even went back to more DATY for the next hour or so. She remained wet from cumming before. Her best position to fuck in was doggy, which split open them cheeks, to reveal an asshole that opened up easily. This is when I finally shot my load. I pulled off the condom and so much cum squirted on her bare ass and dripped in her asshole down to her pussy. She got mad that I shot my load on her and tries to wipe some on me. I am fast and I was able to dodge her rude behavior.
Then again, I did tell her in the beginning that all I wanted was to use that body of hers and nothing much more. Strangely, after we were done, she asked if I wanted to come to her birthday part after midnight on the 11th of this month. I was like, "not really, I'll be in Pattaya fucking other girls." She made an ugly face, stuck out her tongue at me, and left my room.

P.S. Praew is in the middle wearing a 10 on her shirt.[/QUOTE]Not sure why you call her behaviour "rude". More playful. Maybe you can't see your own behaviour. I agree Praew is much better than other too. Your taste maybe quite good.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2220392]So Monday night it was pouring down rain. Nana and Thermae didn't have anything that stood out. After spending about 3000 baht in drinks, I headed back to my room to play on Thai Friendly. Met a cute girl named May on TF, we then exchanged WeChat and got down to trading photos and talking business. I offered her 2500 for 2 hours of her time to suck and fuck. She agreed and met me at room around 11 pm, but ended up staying until 3 am. She was GFE all the way and allowed for BBBJ, DFK, and CIM. We started by showering together where she sucked me off until I blew my wad in her mouth. She ate every drop like it was lobster bisque. May is very receptive to foreplay and DATY. She can cum easily this way and likes it for long periods. She allowed me multiple pops in our session. Standing doggy over the bed is her favorite position. One of the most tightest pussies I've fucked. So she may not be a pro. Keep in mind it was raining hard, so she wasn't in a rush, but YMMV with her services and prices. Talking with her afterwards, she is farang friendly and always looking for more customers. Now, it seems that even though I don't have a high number of posts on this board, but pound for pound, they have a lot of impact. So here's another one![/QUOTE]Hey MP, I can't find her in Thai Friendly.

Can anyone of the members tell me more about how the G Club in BKK works.

Appreciate.

I went to Thermae for the first time last night and it reminds me of Nataree minus the pimps.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2220589] In case anybody thinks I do any type of racial profiling at the Go Go bars, point proven.
[/QUOTE]Having the girl agree to go with you and you being Asian does not prove that there isn't racial profiling going on with the other races of guys in the bar. She might refuse to be barfined by everyone except for Asian guys. You just don't know until you can prove that the girl will go with a non Asian guy. I'll be there in a few days and I plan on asking every girl if they can be barfined before I buy any of them drinks. Just isn't worth spending money on a girl if she's on her 'Caucasian period'.

So much winning.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2220589] I stole her from a Japanese guy who was with friends, and had bought her a drink before me. ..... In case anybody thinks I do any type of racial profiling at the Go Go bars, point proven..[/QUOTE]Interesting that from across the bar MP knew the guy was Japanese. Is it not racial profiling to see an Asian guy sitting across the bar and know what country he's from?

[QUOTE=Breadman;2221195]Interesting that from across the bar MP knew the guy was Japanese. Is it not racial profiling to see an Asian guy sitting across the bar and know what country he's from?[/QUOTE]I don't usually support MP but my wife is Asian and she can usually tell with a 90% accuracy whereother Asians are from. So I find that believable.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2220392]May is very receptive to foreplay and DATY. She can cum easily this way and likes it for long periods. She allowed me multiple pops in our session. Standing doggy over the bed is her favorite position. One of the most tightest pussies I've fucked. So she may not be a pro. [/QUOTE]I have got news for you. A high percentage of hookers can cum from a good DATY if they choose to, and many do. Many admit to cumming quite easily as well. So nothing unusual. Guys that believe a hooker would never cum while working are being conned. Depends on the girl.

As for tight pussies, this I very common among hookers. Plenty of girls don't want to do me because their pussy is too small (no baby). Okay Tightness and length of pussy are two different things but often correlate. Pussy is elastic so even if stretched by a fucking it can go back. Some girls seem extra tight after a few days holiday. Just have to start very slowly. Maybe I have done too few non hookers in my life to be a good survey. LOL However I do meet hookers so tight and pussy not straight, that they are too difficult to fuck. I suspected a Jamaican girl had been sowed up too tight after a baby. Could not get the dick in there properly with funnel shaped pussy, the deeper the tighter.

You know if you paid her or not. I have a girl that fuck and sometimes give her money. Is that a Pro? LOL I was not even thinking of my GF just now. They are all Pros unless they pay you to fuck, or never received anything from you other than sex.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2221195]Interesting that from across the bar MP knew the guy was Japanese. Is it not racial profiling to see an Asian guy sitting across the bar and know what country he's from?[/QUOTE]He can tell the guy looks Japanese. So what? Some are obvious, some not. I have a couple of Japanese buddies met OS and in Thailand. No need to play the ridiculous racial card. Some people can tell I am German by look but actually I am not. No one cares.

Experienced mamasan in Cowboy can pick the country of majority of Asian guys going past based on experience of the way they look, how they dress, haircut, etc. Comments to me about Singapore guys based on look. Okay Apparently the shirts, shorts, and socks combined with face was a give away. I can't because Asian guys don't interest me. I would be interested in the girls though. I do notice the face shapes typical of certain countries, especially how they look similar or different to Thai.

I chatted to a Vietnamese girl the other day. Asked to guess where she came from, I had to go with USA, because her English was extremely good, thinking American Chinese. I never expected a Viet girl to have so little accent. She was amazing. Had only been in Thailand 1 year or so. At least I could see she did not look Thai nor Philippine, nor Cambodian, nor Myanmar, nor Indo, based on what? Racial profiling. Ha ha. We all learn from experience automatically. No harm done.

I could not help noticing huge levels of conformity in groups of guys from certain countries, re haircut, beard, moustache etc. Like they all follow a fashion carefully.

I have been an avid reader of ISG for over a year ever since I retired and started travelling around S. E. Asia. Now I am betwixt and between where to spend about 6 months of the year October to April. Japan my favorite is just too expensive, Indonesia and Malaysia have a strange vibe I somehow cannot relate to, Cambodia and Laos are too underdeveloped and Myanmar is a total mess on many levels, I like Vietnam but I have narrowed it down to Thailand and the Philippines. My interests are hedonistically simple, food and sex being one and two maybe two and one depends.

I am in no doubt Thailand wins hands down for food and also has the best looking girls, who can resist those smiles, but I'm leaning to the Philippines for sex. Maybe it's the cultural familiarity of the English language but I find the girls there have warmer personalities, are friendlier and for the most part are more genuinely GFE in bed.

I'm in Thailand at the moment. I have done the rounds of the popular massage places and go go bars and met some beautiful girls, have repeated with a few but sadly no one that I would want to take on holiday.

I enjoy conversation, especially pillow talk. Unfortunately even with girls that have good English skills after the usual small talk there is picture but only intermittent sound. It has no doubt something to do with the age gap and cultural differences. I'm not expecting intellectual discourse but they don't seem to have the slightest interest in anything happening in the world. Their life is absorbed by their phones. No problem though it is what it is and its OK. At my age being able to spend a night with a gorgeous young lady is more than I should reasonably expect and I am more than grateful l for that.

Anyway this is my maiden post, thanks to anybody who bothered to read it.

Went to the Thermae on the 2nd night since I didn't find anybody interesting on the first night. The place was really crowded. Majority of the visitors are of East Asians descent. Was only interested in LT and got rejected since the ones I was interested in are only into ST. Sat down 2 hours. Saw two very ladies. One rejected me outright, the 2nd rejected me at first but she approached me when I was about to leave and said she is willing to go with me for LT because she didn't get any customers for the night. Took her back to the hotel. Covered BJ but she gave me good fucks in various positions. Popped thrice. Stayed with me until early morning. She gave me her contact so that I can contact her again in my next visit to Bangkok. Paid her and gave her some money for cab ride back home.

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2220805]Just coming back from Demo nighclub in arena 10 after some fun in Yes Karaoke. Lot of girls in Demo bw 12-2, some of them were pretty cute.

Can someone please guide me with the reasonable rate. Not worried about paying, but wouldn't want to get completely scammed or spoil the market.[/QUOTE]No cover charge. Just pay for the drinks or open a bottle. You won't get scammed.

[QUOTE=Rockerfellar;2220962]Can anyone of the members tell me more about how the G Club in BKK works..[/QUOTE]Depending on the club, you either have to sign up for a membership (10 k-30 k THB including several bottles of whiskey) or you may have the option of paying a cover charge (1 k-2 k including 1-2 drinks sometimes). Inside the club you can have girls sit and drink with you, which (depending on the club) is another 400-600 per girl per hour plus her drinks (some clubs have different categories of girls with different rates and some require you to pay 2 k-3 k for the first hour). You then sit with that girl and she will tell you what food she likes. She then shows you what games she likes to play on her cell phone. You can also tell her whatever you want to tell her. She will pretend it's awesome. That will go on for as long as you want to. You then pay your bill of 15 k-50 k and leave the place.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2221195]Interesting that from across the bar MP knew the guy was Japanese. Is it not racial profiling to see an Asian guy sitting across the bar and know what country he's from?[/QUOTE]Okay, I'll take the bait. You really need to look up the definition of "racial profiling." It means to target a certain race when you do something. Has to do nothing about making "generalizations." English is not my first language, but even I knew that. Also, who said the guy sat across the bar? He and his buddies sat on the sofa bench to the left of me. It was only about 4 feet away. Yep, that means I stole his girl even with him and his friends nearby me. I went back and read my original post again. I never said anything about "from across the bar." And lastly, you are a bit right about the race thing. Most people cannot tell, unless you look at their fashion, style, hair cut etc. I'm Asian, a different class of Asian as compared to 99% of us / them, but most of the time I can tell by how they dress, tattoos style, hair cuts, and demeanor. I also get mistaken by other Asians as well. They have told me I look Korean or Japanese (because of all my tattoos) or Thai mixed. So I often just play along. If they say you look "Korean." I respond," You like Koreans?" Then it's game on.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2221134]Having the girl agree to go with you and you being Asian does not prove that there isn't racial profiling going on with the other races of guys in the bar. She might refuse to be barfined by everyone except for Asian guys. You just don't know until you can prove that the girl will go with a non Asian guy. I'll be there in a few days and I plan on asking every girl if they can be barfined before I buy any of them drinks. Just isn't worth spending money on a girl if she's on her 'Caucasian period'.[/QUOTE]I think you one again misunderstood the context of what I write. Let me help you out a bit with the complete quote.

"I also did her a favor by paying the long time barfine of 1000 instead of 700, so she did not have to return back to work because of the rain. I then asked her if she wanted to finish her drink with the Japanese guy and his friends. She said not really. So I told the waitress to bring over the shot he bought for her to my table and put it on my bill. Praew stood up, walked over and apologized to him, and went off to the dressing room to change her clothes. In case anybody thinks I do any type of racial profiling at the Go Go bars, point proven."

Most guys would consider that move an "asshole" type of move do to another customer. To be honest, I really don't know anybody who would do anything like that. First steal another customer's girl, then take his drink that he bought for her, and have it brought to your table because she's not interested in coming to him after I barfined her. I have no problem doing shit like this. I look at it as deducting 200 unnecessary bahts from his bill. He should be thanking me. I really didn't care if he even has friends he was sitting with. There are some guys in the past that get ticked off a bit because I'm Asian, and I have done this type of stuff to farangs before. So what I meant by "in case anybody thinks I do any type of racial profiling" means that I don't care what race you are. If I want a certain girl and the guy or guys are too slow to seal the deal with the girl, I will do what is necessary to grab her away from them. It doesn't matter if you are black, white, yellow, brown. Customers that are not hip to the game in Thailand will lose out to those who are expert hobbyists like me. Just last night I was at Thermae. I roamed the bar for about an hour before finally deciding on a girl. It took me this long because I have this bad problem of not remembering many of the girls I've fucked. This happens when you do so many many many girls in one bar. The girl I wanted was already talking to a customer, but it was like 10 minutes and they hadn't gone upstairs. I walked over there and asked her "how much for short time. " Both he and she looked at me. She then responded "I'm sorry I already have a customer. " I could have said how much is he paying you? I will pay more. But I did the best and nicest thing for all parties involved. I saw that she also had a not so pretty friend next to her who didn't have a customer. I told her in Thai, that if she is willing to dump her customer, I would also take her friend as well. That's the charitable thing to do knowing that she rather not leave her friend sitting alone. So being the good friend she was, she ditched the guy and I took them both. Moral of the story is that, if you have been in Thailand long enough, you will know what these girls value and how to play to get the girl you want. Just observe.

P.S. If you don't want to waste money on drinks for girls who want to play games. My advice is to ask mamasan over, buy her a drink, let her sit with you so it shows you have some rapport, then ask her to make you a list of all the girls numbers that are wiling to let you barfine them. She will go out and do the work for you. Once she comes back, tip her 100 baht and you spend the rest of the night looking at numbers and the best girls on the list. I've done that before and the mamasan came back with only 3 numbers out of what seemed like 50 girls dancing. I was like "what the fuck?" Then she told me that these 3 were "on their period." Haha I felt better.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2220881]Not sure why you call her behaviour "rude". More playful. Maybe you can't see your own behaviour. I agree Praew is much better than other too. Your taste maybe quite good.[/QUOTE]This is playful and maybe rude too. I brought with me 200 fake scorpions, centipedes, and roaches. I also brought a rubber snake. I stick them I girls shoes after we are done fucking. They scream, and curse me out afterwards. I'm trying to do my best to scare them off. Then they won't get jealous when I take another girl they work with. I also play with the hotel staff and everyone on Sukhumvit who sells street stuff and inside the restaurants at Terminal 21. Thais are scared shitless when it comes to snakes and bugs. LOL.

[QUOTE=DonkeyLeg;2221270]I have been an avid reader of ISG for over a year ever since I retired and started travelling around S. E. Asia. Now I am betwixt and between where to spend about 6 months of the year October to April. Japan my favorite is just too expensive, Indonesia and Malaysia have a strange vibe I somehow cannot relate to, Cambodia and Laos are too underdeveloped and Myanmar is a total mess on many levels, I like Vietnam but I have narrowed it down to Thailand and the Philippines. My interests are hedonistically simple, food and sex being one and two maybe two and one depends.

I am in no doubt Thailand wins hands down for food and also has the best looking girls, who can resist those smiles, but I'm leaning to the Philippines for sex. Maybe it's the cultural familiarity of the English language but I find the girls there have warmer personalities, are friendlier and for the most part are more genuinely GFE in bed.

I'm in Thailand at the moment. I have done the rounds of the popular massage places and go go bars and met some beautiful girls, have repeated with a few but sadly no one that I would want to take on holiday.

I enjoy conversation, especially pillow talk. Unfortunately even with girls that have good English skills after the usual small talk there is picture but only intermittent sound. It has no doubt something to do with the age gap and cultural differences. I'm not expecting intellectual discourse but they don't seem to have the slightest interest in anything happening in the world. Their life is absorbed by their phones. No problem though it is what it is and its OK. At my age being able to spend a night with a gorgeous young lady is more than I should reasonably expect and I am more than grateful l for that.

Anyway this is my maiden post, thanks to anybody who bothered to read it.[/QUOTE]First post. And you are spot on! Your observations are correct. Generally more GFE in the Phil. But as you probably have found out; generalizations of girls in different countries are really of no use. The difference girl to girl is much greater than their nationality. Good luck! Looking forward to more posts from you.

But at what point does racial profiling take over from keen observation? Seems to me someone who has something against the Japanese would need and want to be able to spot them out of a bar full of other Asians. After what many countries went thru under Japanese control I wouldn't argue against any negative thoughts. Is this though racial profiling under the definitions allowed? I'm not attacking you MP, just curious where the grey line resides.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2221439]Okay, I'll take the bait. You really need to look up the definition of "racial profiling." It means to target a certain race when you do something. Has to do nothing about making "generalizations." English is not my first language, but even I knew that. Also, who said the guy sat across the bar? He and his buddies sat on the sofa bench to the left of me. It was only about 4 feet away. Yep, that means I stole his girl even with him and his friends nearby me. I went back and read my original post again. I never said anything about "from across the bar." And lastly, you are a bit right about the race thing. Most people cannot tell, unless you look at their fashion, style, hair cut etc. I'm Asian, a different class of Asian as compared to 99% of us / them, but most of the time I can tell by how they dress, tattoos style, hair cuts, and demeanor. I also get mistaken by other Asians as well. They have told me I look Korean or Japanese (because of all my tattoos) or Thai mixed. So I often just play along. If they say you look "Korean." I respond," You like Koreans?" Then it's game on.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DonkeyLeg;2221270]Indonesia and Malaysia have a strange vibe... Thailand wins hands down for food and also has the best looking girls, who can resist those smiles, but I'm leaning to the Philippines for sex. Maybe it's the cultural familiarity of the English language but I find the girls there have warmer personalities, are friendlier and for the most part are more genuinely GFE in bed.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the forum. You're right that in Malaysia and Indonesia the working girl scene is different: Farang are not the main target audience, not much GFE. However, if you ever decide to revisit Jakarta, target the regular girls. Foreigners are in short supply, and even if you're 60+, you'd be surprised at what kind of regular girls you can get, although you'll probably need some pipelining and at least a 2-3 week stay. Indonesians tend to be more curious and outspoken than Thais, and there's more variety of types than in either Thailand or the Philippines. As for Filipinas, they sure are desperate and friendly, but I don't really like their vibe much.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2221510]But at what point does racial profiling take over from keen observation? Seems to me someone who has something against the Japanese would need and want to be able to spot them out of a bar full of other Asians. After what many countries went thru under Japanese control I wouldn't argue against any negative thoughts. Is this though racial profiling under the definitions allowed? I'm not attacking you MP, just curious where the grey line resides.[/QUOTE]Can we get back to discussing casual dress, slacks and dress shirt versus shorts and flip, flops.

[QUOTE=DonkeyLeg;2221270]I have been an avid reader of ISG for over a year ever since I retired and started travelling around S. E. Asia. Now I am betwixt and between where to spend about 6 months of the year October to April. Japan my favorite is just too expensive, Indonesia and Malaysia have a strange vibe I somehow cannot relate to, Cambodia and Laos are too underdeveloped and Myanmar is a total mess on many levels, I like Vietnam but I have narrowed it down to Thailand and the Philippines. My interests are hedonistically simple, food and sex being one and two maybe two and one depends.

I am in no doubt Thailand wins hands down for food and also has the best looking girls, who can resist those smiles, but I'm leaning to the Philippines for sex. Maybe it's the cultural familiarity of the English language but I find the girls there have warmer personalities, are friendlier and for the most part are more genuinely GFE in bed.

I'm in Thailand at the moment. I have done the rounds of the popular massage places and go go bars and met some beautiful girls, have repeated with a few but sadly no one that I would want to take on holiday.

I enjoy conversation, especially pillow talk. Unfortunately even with girls that have good English skills after the usual small talk there is picture but only intermittent sound. It has no doubt something to do with the age gap and cultural differences. I'm not expecting intellectual discourse but they don't seem to have the slightest interest in anything happening in the world. Their life is absorbed by their phones. No problem though it is what it is and its OK. At my age being able to spend a night with a gorgeous young lady is more than I should reasonably expect and I am more than grateful l for that.

Anyway this is my maiden post, thanks to anybody who bothered to read it.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with your assessments here, my good man. I am also of an age where I should by all rights be retired, but still have my nose to the grindstone. I escape to SEA for the occasional holiday, and enjoy it greatly. Always I am choosing between LOS and the PI, for exactly those reasons: girls better (for me, YMMV) in the PI, food vastly better in Thailand. Also a bit less violent crime from what I can see around me. Anyway, you can't go wrong with either place IMHO.

[QUOTE=PoohKeyLover;2221322]Went to the Thermae on the 2nd night since I didn't find anybody interesting on the first night. The place was really crowded. Majority of the visitors are of East Asians descent. Was only interested in LT and got rejected since the ones I was interested in are only into ST. Sat down 2 hours. Saw two very ladies. One rejected me outright, the 2nd rejected me at first but she approached me when I was about to leave and said she is willing to go with me for LT because she didn't get any customers for the night. Took her back to the hotel. Covered BJ but she gave me good fucks in various positions. Popped thrice. Stayed with me until early morning. She gave me her contact so that I can contact her again in my next visit to Bangkok. Paid her and gave her some money for cab ride back home.[/QUOTE]I was in Thermae earlier this week, on my last night in BKK. I wish I had visited earlier in my trip, as I found the best of the 8 night stay there. I am a 68 year old white guy, and while there were a couple of ladies that wouldn't give me a glance, I really believe I could have had my pick of the liter if I chose. There were 4 or 5 that I was interested in, and all gace me smiles back, but the lady I picked was a 35 year old MILF, that looked 25. No holes barred, and she was every bit as ibto the love making as I was. In fact, we almost got each other off during the cab ride back to the hotel. As I said, I wished I had gone to Thermae before my last night.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2221533]Can we get back to discussing casual dress, slacks and dress shirt versus shorts and flip, flops.[/QUOTE]I will bite. I don't see the point in dressing up for P4 P. If I'm on a mission to find a girl to pay for sex I will wear shorts and flip flops. If I'm going to a club where I may snag a freebie or a part time girl I will wear pants and shoes. I don't think singlets (wife beaters) are acceptable except at the beach or pool.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2221623]I will bite. I don't see the point in dressing up for P4 P. If I'm on a mission to find a girl to pay for sex I will wear shorts and flip flops. If I'm going to a club where I may snag a freebie or a part time girl I will wear pants and shoes. I don't think singlets (wife beaters) are acceptable except at the beach or pool.[/QUOTE]I think Beijing4987 was being sarcastic, because of the extensive off-topic discussion about racial profiling.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2221638]I think Beijing4987 was being sarcastic, because of the extensive off-topic discussion about racial profiling.[/QUOTE]I know. But we have 4 post now not mentioning it LOL.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2221456]Snip. P.S. If you don't want to waste money on drinks for girls who want to play games. My advice is to ask mamasan over, buy her a drink, let her sit with you so it shows you have some rapport, then ask her to make you a list of all the girls numbers that are wiling to let you barfine them. She will go out and do the work for you. Once she comes back, tip her 100 baht and you spend the rest of the night looking at numbers and the best girls on the list. I've done that before and the mamasan came back with only 3 numbers out of what seemed like 50 girls dancing. I was like "what the fuck?" Then she told me that these 3 were "on their period." Haha I felt better.[/QUOTE]Am I understanding correctly that of about 50 girls dancing, only three of them would let you barfine them, and those three couldn't let you barfine them because they were "on their period"? How is that possible? Did they all decide to boycott you for some reason? I think even someone who looked like the Elephant Man could get at least one of them to let him barfine her.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2221649]Am I understanding correctly that of about 50 girls dancing, only three of them would let you barfine them, and those three couldn't let you barfine them because they were "on their period"? How is that possible? Did they all decide to boycott you for some reason? I think even someone who looked like the Elephant Man could get at least one of them to let him barfine her.[/QUOTE]No, I translated that as EVERY girl was available for barfining, except three of them were on their periods.

[QUOTE=TrueBlue666;2220312]How long ago was this? Did you mean your first night ever in Bangkok? LOL The gal from Analisa on Line had never heard of Coy, even using the picture. Same answer when I called in and spoke to someone else. I get that she moved around but you'd figure they'd at least be aware of her.

On an unrelated note, I tried the wechat "people nearby" app last night and nabbed a foxy mid 20's Korean gal for 4 k. I recommend it if you haven't tried. Easy enough to set something up once you weed through all the LB's. Don't forget to video chat prior to meeting though.[/QUOTE]With all the surgery out there, some of which is very good (and it looks like most girls at Thermae or WeChat people nearby have had something done to their chin, nose, etc), how can you be 100% sure they're not a LB? I do appreciate that it seems a good number are upfront about it, but what about the remainder? LOL. I remember a time a few years back in Patpong where I suspected after everything was done that it was a post-op, but I could never be sure, and I was too drunk to care.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2221510]But at what point does racial profiling take over from keen observation? Seems to me someone who has something against the Japanese would need and want to be able to spot them out of a bar full of other Asians. After what many countries went thru under Japanese control I wouldn't argue against any negative thoughts. Is this though racial profiling under the definitions allowed? I'm not attacking you MP, just curious where the grey line resides.[/QUOTE]He took her because she is the cutest. It just happened the customer was a Japanese. That is how I read it.

[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2221654]No, I translated that as EVERY girl was available for barfining, except three of them were on their periods.[/QUOTE]Your interpretation is more plausible than mine. I think it was the quote marks around having their period that threw me off. However, the fact that every girl would have gone with him (if they could) undermines his advice to get the mamasan's help in seeing who to talk to and buy a drink for. His advice might be useful if a guy is a troll or a Jabba the Hut type but I doubt a decent looking guy would need to do so. Of course there is always asking the girl to sit with you; if she does, asking her whether she barfines, and will she barfine with you; if she says yes, then buy her a drink. However, since she could be lying and try to get out of it by quoting a ridiculous price, you might want to talk about price and time after the first drink, lest she just use you to make her drink quota.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2221461]This is playful and maybe rude too. I brought with me 200 fake scorpions, centipedes, and roaches. I also brought a rubber snake. I stick them I girls shoes after we are done fucking. [/QUOTE]When I started to read, I though you were being smart ass satirical. Maybe not. Certainly you are have some weird things to say.

Maybe I can learn from this. I do apply levels of rudeness selectively in bars to keep away unwanted companions, sucking up for a drink. Largely just ignoring them if at all possible, and preventing anyone from sitting on lap. Not even offering a glance at them often works. I never thought of having a supply of fake cockroaches etc. To shove down her clothing if she is wearing anything. LOL Wear do you buy these? I would love to have some for emergencies.

One thing I hate is unwanted massages. I don't even like massage. Do have any special advice to get rid of a girl who starts an uninvited shoulder massage? I hate ugly girls grabbing me uninvited. Sometimes "Mai Ao" is not quite working. Perhaps after a warning and still girl persists, I could spill my soda on her, If I don't have any centipedes on me.

Don't even like uninvited girl rubbing against my crotch. Raunchy does not supersede fat or ugly for me.

[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2221654]No, I translated that as EVERY girl was available for barfining, except three of them were on their periods.[/QUOTE]Yeh Lost in Translation, most likely. If it doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense. No big deal.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2221533]Can we get back to discussing casual dress, slacks and dress shirt versus shorts and flip, flops.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with you. During the day I'm typically wearing nice shorts, collared shirt and sandals. But at night when it's cooler I wear khakis or hiking pants (i can hear the Brits giggling at "pants"), collared shirt and sneakers (trainers). Many hiking pants convert to shorts so you can easily dress it up simply by attaching the leg bottoms. More than one girl has told me they approached me because I was better dressed than some guys who looked like they just stepped off the beach in swim trunks, "wife beater" tanks and $1 flip-flops. Most Asian mongers are normally wearing pants. It's all about personal preference too. I personally feel much more confident when I'm a bit more dressed up. You don't need to wear a 3-piece suit, but at least look like you gave a rats ass to wake up today!

So I spent about a week in BKK and this is the most recent summary of my experience. Nana is the place to be with all of its renovations. If you haven't been in awhile, need to check it out. With its new roof, the adult playground is all indoors and safe from the rain. Soi Cowboy and Thermae was just the same old shit with the same old girls. Thermae, I got so confused at which girls I've been with and which I have not. I can't seem to remember them all. I guess it's a nice problem to have when you have done so many. At Soi Cowboy, only Baccara and Shark took credit cards for everything, even the girls. But at Nana, most bars accepted plastic, a big plus for me as my father is the one picking up my tabs when I pay with credit cards. Rainbow 5 is back to being called Rainbow 4. Rainbow 1, 3, and 2 have a shit load of girls with the addition of coyotes. Their barfines are 1000 baht. They are doing this to make their customer base more farang friendly. It's worth checking out. All girls under 20 have been kicked out from working Nana. So be advised if you are looking for the young ones, you will find yourself in a heap of trouble if you ask around. The elusive #32 dancer at Angel Witch was finally found by me. Another member wanted confirmation that she was quite possibly the hottest girl at Nana. IMHO, no way. Her face is acceptable, but she has no tits, her ass is flat and has a squared shape to them. There are others who are more balanced with better features like tits and ass. So my answer is no she is not. I've seen better at Nana.

Some girls at Nana that I got to fuck this time around and recommend are as follow. They all provided me with DATY, DFK, BBBJ, a few did CIM.

Rainbow 2 (1st corner): #501, #65, #12.

Billboard: #835, #862.

Lollipop: #89.

Rainbow 3 (2nd stairs): #41, #9, #20, #101.

Bangkok Bunnies: #99.

Of all the girls I fucked (14 girls) in 7 days, including 11 Go Go bar girls, 1 Massage shop, 1 Thermae, and 1 Thai Friendly, one girl definitely stood out. A girl by the name of Beam (pictured) at Billboard. Her number is #835. She's only been there less than 5 days and has a stunning body with white skin and fake tits. She is from Chang Mai, but speaks very little English. She is new to Billboard, and is not quite corrupted just yet by the other girls. I paid 3000 for her ST for 2 hours. She spent 30 minutes alone just sucking my dick until I popped. I thought that was the end, but she allowed a second pop and we started fucking. She even gave me a Kamagra jelly pack so I can stay hard. What girl gives a customer Viagra for a second round. ? I fucked her brains out for the next hour without any complaints. And the way she squeezed her pussy during sex, I was able to cum inside. Amazing! Grab her quickly before she learns from the other girls that she is providing way too much for what her looks can get away with. And as always, YMMV, it's all about how well you play the game with these girls. Now it's off to Pattaya for 3 weeks!

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2221810]Your interpretation is more plausible than mine. I think it was the quote marks around having their period that threw me off. However, the fact that every girl would have gone with him (if they could) undermines his advice to get the mamasan's help in seeing who to talk to and buy a drink for. His advice might be useful if a guy is a troll or a Jabba the Hut type but I doubt a decent looking guy would need to do so. Of course there is always asking the girl to sit with you; if she does, asking her whether she barfines, and will she barfine with you; if she says yes, then buy her a drink. However, since she could be lying and try to get out of it by quoting a ridiculous price, you might want to talk about price and time after the first drink, lest she just use you to make her drink quota.[/QUOTE]I was advising Breadman who I think is black. I have several black acquaintances that have came from the USA to hang out with me. This is the same advice I give them and it seems to work out well. There is no waste on money and time on girls who play games. In most Asian cultures, it's not about the race as much as it is about the color of your skin. The lighter skinned Asians always have preference over the darker skinned Asians. Lighter skin often meant your family lineage were not farm or hard laborers. It means you had a higher status. I think most folks know that. That's why I use sun block.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2222074]I was advising Breadman who I think is black. I have several black acquaintances that have came from the USA to hang out with me. This is the same advice I give them and it seems to work out well. There is no waste on money and time on girls who play games. In most Asian cultures, it's not about the race as much as it is about the color of your skin. The lighter skinned Asians always have preference over the darker skinned Asians. Lighter skin often meant your family lineage were not farm or hard laborers. It means you had a higher status. I think most folks know that. That's why I use sun block.[/QUOTE]I know Breadman. While he may have a huge cock (per his posts), he is Caucasian. While going through the mamasan for a black guy might save some time, as some girls may be fearful of the reputed size of black dicks, I doubt they face as much discrimination from go go girls as South Asians, who have their own (bad) reputation.

As you are an East Asian, and thus the preferred target group for go go girls, as you discovered when every girl at the go go bar would go with you, why did you feel the need to have the mamasan ask on your behalf?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2222140]I know Breadman. While he may have a huge cock (per his posts), he is Caucasian. While going through the mamasan for a black guy might save some time, as some girls may be fearful of the reputed size of black dicks, I doubt they face as much discrimination from go go girls as South Asians, who have their own (bad) reputation.

As you are an East Asian, and thus the preferred target group for go go girls, as you discovered when every girl at the go go bar would go with you, why did you feel the need to have the mamasan ask on your behalf?[/QUOTE]Because I was in a farang preferred bar. There were very few East Asians, so I honestly didn't want to waste my time or money. Most people know, I don't like to play games with girls.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2222140]I know Breadman. While he may have a huge cock (per his posts), he is Caucasian. While going through the mamasan for a black guy might save some time, as some girls may be fearful of the reputed size of black dicks, I doubt they face as much discrimination from go go girls as South Asians, who have their own (bad) reputation......[/QUOTE]I believe the black chaps are more financially generous hence the preference for them; they may actually be charged more than others because of their perceived endowment.

My second week of this trip was an experiment is something different for me. In order to extend my trip and get more time in country without using up holiday time I cut a deal with my boss to work remotely during the week but on US hours so I would work nightly around 7/8-3/4. This would allow me to still have my afternoons to hit someplace up and then have dinner with friends and go to work. With the added benefit of being able to slip out for an hour or so on my "lunch" break. With this in mind, my main hunting ground would be thermae. I had taken girls there a few times before but I wanted to explore it more and see how it would go. With that plan in mind I moved to the 4 points on soi15 where you can fall out of the hotel and in the back door of thermae. I didn't get a very good price, but I wanted the SPG points and the location is perfect for thermae and easy for nana and cowboy too.

I ended up pulling 4 girls out of there over different nights. 3 at 2500 and one at 3, and of course the one at 3 was the biggest failure. I had pulled from thermae a few times before, but this was by far the most amount of time I had ever spent in there. Personally, this helped me be more blunt with the girls and learn to be more specific about what I want which certainly helped. Despite all the years in this hobby I can still feel awkward at times and need to be more direct before settling on a girl in thermae, gogo, or otherwise. For me this really means DFK and BBBJ, even though the BJ usually isn't that great if the girl is going to be too squeamish to even do that I have doubts anything more will be worth it.

First pull was oddly probably the best sex of the bunch, but the least on the looks side. I had suspicions going in since I only saw her sitting down and I could tell she wasn't my normal skinny body type, but I liked her face and smile. She was a right side girl (right and left defined by orientation to when you walk in from Sukhumvit) and was 2 k.

My failure was a left side girl and a skinny thing which I liked, she insisted on 3 k since I was farang and larger than Asian. I thought ok, she is recognizing its going to be more work, when what I should have done is taken a pass. To be fair despite it being too large for her she did try, but the problem ended up being she was too impatient and she hurt herself. I don't know if it was an attempt to get it over with or just inexperience. In the end had to stop as her pain was just too obvious and I wasn't going to finish. After she seemed in general pain and I felt bad, but it had definitely been when she was on top and trying to rush. Bad choice on my part.

My 2 better wins and both on my repeat list for November were from the back left corner and back middle and both 2500. One was a SYT in workout / yoga pants that looked great and was a different look than the girls normally sport. Her English was good and she liked to workout and it showed. What was great is that when we started in miss I naturally go very slow since I am a bit larger than average, just a little bit in she decides she can handle it and grabs and pulls me all the way in. Was super hot and definitely memorable. My other winner had one of the nicest set of natural tits on a thai girl I have ever seen, around 36 C and no baby. Sure they weren't as perky as a small set, but with size you have to expect some drop. Feel was just excellent and her body was great. With both the girls after they stated their price I asked for kiss with tongue and BBBJ and both readily agreed so this was definitely the method I will use going forward.

I have kept in touch through line with both my winners and looks promising for November so I will see. Sure 2500 is still overpriced for a ST set of an hour or so, but no barfine, no LD, and still less than a gogo these days. I plan on doing a repeat week of work in November so I will see if my targeting has gotten any better and report back.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2222301]My failure was a left side girl and a skinny thing which I liked, she insisted on 3 k since I was farang and larger than Asian. I thought ok, she is recognizing its going to be more work, when what I should have done is taken a pass. To be fair despite it being too large for her she did try, but the problem ended up being she was too impatient and she hurt herself. I don't know if it was an attempt to get it over with or just inexperience. In the end had to stop as her pain was just too obvious and I wasn't going to finish. After she seemed in general pain and I felt bad, but it had definitely been when she was on top and trying to rush. Bad choice on my part.
[/QUOTE]Advice: Don't allow dick scared girls on top. They can do themselves damage, if not controlling carefully. Even a girl was not scared rode me too vigorously in cowgirl and was bleeding quite strongly bright red and claimed not her period (years ago now). Instead try putting in the tip well lubed, and gradually little by little put a bit more in. Give time for her pussy to expand. Pussies stretch, even enough to have a baby. After a gradual increase in insertion, you may be able to get the whole lot in. Be careful not to have knob crashing the uterus which is typically only 4+ inches in. Above all, don't bang too powerfully if you are too big for the girl.

Also you will find there are skinny girls who like a big one, much easier if take girls with lots of Farang experience.

One pleasant night I returned from a previously arranged date with one of the dime-a-dozen models that wasn't going anywhere (I didn't get the sense that she was not p4 p and her attitude was meh so after a few drinks I bailed). At this point it was nearing midnight. I ended up meeting a girl off WeChat. Turns out she was much older than expected (probably mid-30's), much shorter than appeared, and while 95% sure she would have come over if I asked, after one drink I took her back to her apartment which was walking distance.

Then I messaged a cute girl who from her pics appeared just my type, also from WeChat (we had connected earlier). She wanted 4 k at first, talked down to 3 k, then she made it over to my hotel in record time. I met her downstairs, and as soon as she walked in something felt a little off. First, way taller than I expected even without heels, a little bigger boned as well, and mannerisms just a bit off with a twinge to her voice. Once in the room, my spidey-sense went off more, and she immediately went to turn off all lights and wanted money up front. At that point I finally came to my senses and pulled the plug. I did give her a red note just for her trouble, which was probably generous, and she kept asking what's wrong, what's wrong, before saying 100 baht wasn't enough, LOL.

I'm 95% sure this one was a LB, and I'm surprised folks are able to find success on WeChat when it appears 8/10 of the girls showing up on people nearby are up front about being a ladyboy, and then probably 75% of the remaining are also ladyboys but not up front about it.

Oh well, I probably need to recharge anyway, it was a better decision to sleep than go through with it.

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One thing I hate is unwanted massages. I don't even like massage. Do have any special advice to get rid of a girl who starts an uninvited shoulder massage? I hate ugly girls grabbing me uninvited. Sometimes "Mai Ao" is not quite working. Perhaps after a warning and still girl persists, I could spill my soda on her, If I don't have any centipedes on me.

Don't even like uninvited girl rubbing against my crotch. Raunchy does not supersede fat or ugly for me.[/QUOTE]The phrase I use instead of "Mai Ao" for any item or behavior I don't want, including annoying (Thai) sunglasses salesmen, cellphone salesmen, massage shop girls reaching out to me, freelancers reaching out to me, ladyboys reaching out to me, unwanted massages from anyone, etc., is "Mai khrup, karp khun khrup" (more or less "No thanks, thank you"). Something about saying the polite "No" with that additional "thank you" in there just puts almost anyone and everyone (Thai) off me that very second. I don't say it rudely, angrily or loud. Just saying it firmly with a smile does the trick.

I have walked around with old hands who want to remind me "Mai Ao" is the more commonly used term, while I watch the salesman or ladyboy continue pestering them well beyond and after they say it and say it and say it. I think pestering Thais are just so used to hearing farangs automatically say "Mai Ao" to get them off us, it no longer gets through to them or they don't think we really mean it. Meanwhile, the instant I say "Mai khrup, karp khun khup", the pestering stops that very second. And they don't seem to be offended by it. They just get the message quickly and stop whatever it is they were doing. Maybe 1% keeps coming at me after I say it. Have you tried that phrase yet?

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2222301]My second week of this trip was an experiment is something different for me. In order to extend my trip and get more time in country without using up holiday time I cut a deal with my boss to work remotely during the week but on US hours so I would work nightly around 7/8-3/4. This would allow me to still have my afternoons to hit someplace up and then have dinner with friends and go to work. With the added benefit of being able to slip out for an hour or so on my "lunch" break. With this in mind, my main hunting ground would be thermae. I had taken girls there a few times before but I wanted to explore it more and see how it would go. With that plan in mind I moved to the 4 points on soi15 where you can fall out of the hotel and in the back door of thermae. I didn't get a very good price, but I wanted the SPG points and the location is perfect for thermae and easy for nana and cowboy too.

I ended up pulling 4 girls out of there over different nights. 3 at 2500 and one at 3, and of course the one at 3 was the biggest failure. I had pulled from thermae a few times before, but this was by far the most amount of time I had ever spent in there. Personally, this helped me be more blunt with the girls and learn to be more specific about what I want which certainly helped. Despite all the years in this hobby I can still feel awkward at times and need to be more direct before settling on a girl in thermae, gogo, or otherwise. For me this really means DFK and BBBJ, even though the BJ usually isn't that great if the girl is going to be too squeamish to even do that I have doubts anything more will be worth it.[/QUOTE]I'm wondering what kind of scope is there for a brown man like me to score in thermae. I know the drill and I've seen the rejection upfront but I'm just wondering if pursuing happiness makes the juice worth the squeeze.

I think it would be like most places in Thailand, or even Asia for that matter. YMMV. I would doubt any girl that won't go with a caucasian customer due to an asian or japanese preference would go with anyone outside those groups. But also like everything in life money talks for enough baht, say 8 k, I would think even most of the japanese preferred girls would make an exception. Presentation of course always helps the situation so being clean shaven and dressed well never hurts. Last a friend of mine who was indian ethnically but born and raised in Japan found that his success was better once disclosing the Japanese nationality. Also places that may have denied entry or asked for drink before would not when he was with me assuming that he was european or american. Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=BadDuck;2222452]I'm wondering what kind of scope is there for a brown man like me to score in thermae. I know the drill and I've seen the rejection upfront but I'm just wondering if pursuing happiness makes the juice worth the squeeze.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the advice. I actually usually start in mish now since I have found that same problem with too many girls who don't understand patience or start on top and tire too quickly. I have a good 20 years experience with asian girls after losing my virginity to a korean girl, which perhaps explains the yellow fever, either that or too many James Bond movies as a child, so I am used to tight and small asian pussy. Her wetness level was good and I had already done a good stretch warm up for her so I don't know what more I could have done here, but still felt a bit bad I had caused her pain. Every girl is different so who knows, one of my regulars right now is a short haired 5' tall vixen from twisters and she has learned to manage the size well. I still remember another early korean girlfriend who I devirginized calling me one day pissed because after around 6 months together she had to switch from extra small tampons to small! Funny the things the mind stores away.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2222388]Advice: Don't allow dick scared girls on top. They can do themselves damage, if not controlling carefully. Even a girl was not scared rode me too vigorously in cowgirl and was bleeding quite strongly bright red and claimed not her period (years ago now). Instead try putting in the tip well lubed, and gradually little by little put a bit more in. Give time for her pussy to expand. Pussies stretch, even enough to have a baby. After a gradual increase in insertion, you may be able to get the whole lot in. Be careful not to have knob crashing the uterus which is typically only 4+ inches in. Above all, don't bang too powerfully if you are too big for the girl.

Also you will find there are skinny girls who like a big one, much easier if take girls with lots of Farang experience.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BadDuck;2222452]I'm wondering what kind of scope is there for a brown man like me to score in thermae. I know the drill and I've seen the rejection upfront but I'm just wondering if pursuing happiness makes the juice worth the squeeze.[/QUOTE]Actually, you can do alright! Just be confident and carry a big purse, just in case. For providers, money is number 1. The rest comes after.

To increase your chances of a hit, do not negotiate too hard, be nice and a gentleman, well groomed. This should take care of everything. But make an effort to show confidence in yourself. That's the key IMO.

[QUOTE=BadDuck;2222452]I'm wondering what kind of scope is there for a brown man like me to score in thermae. I know the drill and I've seen the rejection upfront but I'm just wondering if pursuing happiness makes the juice worth the squeeze.[/QUOTE]I don't know about happiness and juice worth squeezing but you better have your hopes low when in the Thermae. The top tier ladies will not be interested unless you're a nerdy K or J.

The lower hanging fruit can be doable and they'll give you a smile when you do the circle. Forget about the Thermae stunners you're invisible to them. The Go Go bars have them too and they will go, at least some will. My 2 baht.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2222412]The phrase I use instead of "Mai Ao" for any item or behavior I don't want, including annoying (Thai) sunglasses salesmen, cellphone salesmen, massage shop girls reaching out to me, freelancers reaching out to me, ladyboys reaching out to me, unwanted massages from anyone, etc., is "Mai khrup, karp khun khrup" (more or less "No thanks, thank you"). Something about saying the polite "No" with that additional "thank you" in there just puts almost anyone and everyone (Thai) off me that very second. I don't say it rudely, angrily or loud. Just saying it firmly with a smile does the trick.

I have walked around with old hands who want to remind me "Mai Ao" is the more commonly used term, while I watch the salesman or ladyboy continue pestering them well beyond and after they say it and say it and say it. I think pestering Thais are just so used to hearing farangs automatically say "Mai Ao" to get them off us, it no longer gets through to them or they don't think we really mean it. Meanwhile, the instant I say "Mai khrup, karp khun khup", the pestering stops that very second. And they don't seem to be offended by it. They just get the message quickly and stop whatever it is they were doing. Maybe 1% keeps coming at me after I say it. Have you tried that phrase yet?[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Interesting view point. Guys sometimes get criticised for being too polite to working girls, seeing them as very low in the class structure. LOL.

Being polite in Thailand though, probably does no harm. There is no real technical difference between "Mai Ao Khrap" and "Mai Khrap" (the second merely omits the verb "Ao" and it is understood. The Khrap makes it more polite, perhaps too much, since you are not her inferior or equal in age or status.

Interestingly the American expression "My bad" also lacks a verb and lacks a noun and sounds silly in my country. Just is not English. LOL. Thai allows for understood words to be dropped, more so than English.

I can try being extra polite and see if there is any difference. My theory always was that it required some level of rudeness to get rid of girls. However I can be wrong.

It is important not to Wai the hooker before she Wais you, and then only respond with a half hearted one, if you like her. LOL One could look silly or childish not understanding Thai customs well enough, and paying too much respect where not expected.

[QUOTE=BadDuck;2222452]I'm wondering what kind of scope is there for a brown man like me to score in thermae. I know the drill and I've seen the rejection upfront but I'm just wondering if pursuing happiness makes the juice worth the squeeze.[/QUOTE]If stingy on price, you will have no chance.

Don't be too upset if get a lot of rejections. I am Farang and get plenty as well, or girl wants to charge me a penalty for being Farang (a bit off putting like she is just going to try to tolerate it) okay The girl may prefer a an easy customer quickie, with smaller dick on average. What can we do? We have girl preferences too. I reject 99% of black / brown hookers in Bangkok, not because of skin colour, but just they are too fat or are not pretty enough. I have had plenty of African girls of a higher standard elsewhere.

We are always better off to choose a girl that is going to be very enthusiastic and likes us a lot. One of my previous bargirls even professed she prefers guys with a big dick, and gets hardly any Asian customers.

Usually the girls that I want in the Thermae, don't want me, and visa versa. Plenty of girls there would take me if I selected them. Just I want the best natural looking girl in the place, and not keen to compromise. Last 2 or 3 girls I took from there were not worth repeating. So I have become adjusted to the idea it is not a good hunting ground for all.

Some Thermae girls did not want to look at my face, not talk tome at all. Clearly I don't fit their preference.

Find your best hunting grounds, and don't worry what is best for other guys. Thermae is a good cheaper than bars option for some guys, that are O.K. with girls wanting a fairly quick Short Time, especially for Japanese, Korean and similar. Does not work well for everyone. Added problem is girl's body could be not good, once her clothes come off.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2222822]I can try being extra polite and see if there is any difference. My theory always was that it required some level of rudeness to get rid of girls. However I can be wrong.

It is important not to Wai the hooker before she Wais you, and then only respond with a half hearted one, if you like her. LOL One could look silly or childish not understanding Thai customs well enough, and paying too much respect where not expected.[/QUOTE]I guess that it is probably better accepted from a foreigner. I'm always very polite when speaking Thai and most of the time people like to meet a foreigner that speaks politely their language. The working girls like it a lot (as most of them, except the bottom ones, would not consider themselves as of a lower status than us) but I can see that a very few of them are feeling that it's a bit weird for them as probably unusual.

I'm pretty sure that it also saved me a fight in the bar with one of the aggressive drunk WG at stumble inn 2 years ago. Sometimes I even pretend to not speak a word of Thai or not understand it to get rid of the unwanted ones.

I agree that it's pretty difficult to know who and how Wai so I never do it unless they do it first.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2222822] The Khrap makes it more polite, perhaps too much, since you are not her inferior or equal in age or status.[/QUOTE]Being polite doesn't have to do with hierarchy. Everyone uses it to be polite, regardless of his and the other person's status.

[QUOTE]It is important not to Wai the hooker before she Wais you, and then only respond with a half hearted one, if you like her. LOL One could look silly or childish not understanding Thai customs well enough, and paying too much respect where not expected.[/QUOTE]You don't have to wai a hooker at all. The normal response when receiving a wai from someone serving you would be to respond with a nod, sometimes also a polite smile, and in rare circumstances a wai.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2222822]
There is no real technical difference between "Mai Ao Khrap" and "Mai Khrap" (the second merely omits the verb "Ao" and it is understood. The Khrap makes it more polite, perhaps too much, since you are not her inferior or equal in age or status.
[/QUOTE]Yes, in terms of basic communication there might not be much technical difference between "Mai Ao" (I rarely hear farangs add the "Khrap" or "Khrup" to it), which essentially means "I don't want it" and "Mai khrup, karp khun khrup", which essentially means "No (politely) thank you (politiely)". But to an aggressive salesperson, the difference can be critical to getting them off your ass. And people who reach out to you on the street, try to drag you into their bars and shops, just start giving you unwanted massages out of the blue, get in your face while you are sitting having a beer, eating food or texting on your cellphone to sell you sunglasses and so on are very aggressive salespeople.

Here is what an aggressive salesperson thinks the instant you say "Mai Ao" ("I don't want it") to his item or service; "Well, of course you don't want it, Sir, because I have not yet fully explained or demonstrated all the wonderful features and benefits of my handy-dandy gadget and service. Please, if you will just slow down, relax and step inside to allow me to go over a few dozen of them to afford you the opportunity of at least knowing the fantastic value you might miss out on!"

See what I mean? You are not actually telling them "No. Stop." You are only telling them they have not yet done their job as aggressive salespeople to fully convince you of the value of their item or service. How can you possibly KNOW you "don't want it" if this top drawer salesperson has not even told you anything about how it will change your life for the better or shown you how wonderful his or her massage skills are? His new challenge now is to get those features and benefits into your life.

On the other hand, saying "Mai khrup, karp khun khrup" ("No (politely) thank you (politely)") to an aggressive Thai salesperson is saying "NO" to the whole damned idea of them approaching you at all. And, as you say, not only being polite about it, but being EXCEEDINGLY polite about it. Ok, let's even say unnecessarily exceedingly polite about it. No matter. Not only does it shut down their immediate impulse to keep trying to show you why you ought to buy that thingy or accept their service, but in Thai culture they are particularly averse to crossing that double (polite) request to just take NO for my answer and stop.

Anyway, all I know is when I see my farang friends saying "Mai Ao" over and over again as the Thai salesperson/freelancer/ladyboy/shop worker is pulling at their arm or the street vendor is following them down the soi continuing to show them this style of sunglasses or that model of cellphone to continue their sales pitch, I can almost guarantee that same aggressive Thai salesperson will stop dead in his tracks and back off the instant I quietly, pleasantly but firmly say, "Mai khrup, karp khun khrup." And they'll even be gracious about it. Anybody reading this, try it and see if you get similar results. Or at least better results than the usual "Mai Ao."

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2222860]Yes, in terms of basic communication there might not be much technical difference between "Mai Ao" (I rarely hear farangs add the "Khrap" or "Khrup" to it), which essentially means "I don't want it" and "Mai khrup, karp khun khrup", which essentially means "No (politely) thank you (politiely)". [/QUOTE]I don't fully agree. A dictionary will tell you that Mai is an adjective or adverb if you know anything about Grammar. So Mai really means "not. ". There is no Thai word precisely the same as English Yes or No, since English No can mean several different things. No I don't want it, No don't do it, No I don't agree, No I don't like it, We have No bananas, there is no place better, etc. , even can be used by some regardless if they agree or disagree since they never ever say Yes to anything. LOL Even in English you can see that No is a short form of "Not want", "not agree", "Not like", "not have", "not any".

So "Mai Khrap " has left out the verb and implicitly means "not want", "not agree", "not have" etc. I. e. "Mai ao", "Mai hen duay", "Mai Chai", "Mai mee". "ao" is a very informal word, so "mai tong gaan" is slightly more proper. Adding "thanks very much" at the end is like saying thanks for the help anyway unless interpreted as sarcastic. Thais normally answer "Mai Khrap" in my experience when they are asked a question including a verb so that same verb would be understood in the answer. Would you take this? Answer "not (take) thanks". So I don't believe I hear it very often. More normal is to include the desired verb, where in English we don't.

Perhaps "Mai Khrap" can be interpreted as "Mai Tong Gaan Khrap" (I don't need it) which may seem softer than "Mai ao khrap" to some. Ao is a very common word though, so not a big problem to use it. Girl "ao mai" (do you want (me)). Answer "Ao si. rew rew" (yes absolutely and urgently)! Thais like euphemisms. The girl won't usually ask "do you want to fuck me?" "yet chan mai" It is a bit too direct and rather profane. Maybe she could be naughty and ask "boom boom mai"

You can check with a Thai Language teacher, if they agree with my views. I did study Thai for years, but don't have a teacher for recent years.
Perhaps I will ask my teacher, the implication of using polite "Khrap" too much to inferiors. I am not clear if Thais will think we are just extra polite, or perhaps not understanding Thai custom if too polite to people younger than ourselves and not in a position of official authority. I don't see my GF being too polite to young sales persons. I think she uses "Kha" sparingly. Obviously extra polite to monks and older people in the community though.
"ja" maybe a good alternative to "khrap" to be more polite but less formal. Maybe requires Thai skill to use correctly though.
I remember one Farang hearing "khorp Jai" from his Thai Mrs. a lot, then used it with a monk, which was a big mistake (rather impolite). Should be used to those of inferior status only, or sarcastically when "thanks" but not meaning it, like Thanks but I did not want it. So I only ever use "Khorp jai" when reluctantly taking or receiving something.

Yes it is better to err on the side of being too polite. Therefore as Farangs, it does not matter too much if we add "Khrap" a bit more than we need to.

To salespersons I try to use the Thai equivalent of I am just looking so far "Khae duu chery chery khrap". I don't think think sales persons in department store are really aggressive compared to some bargirls. LOL Street sellers, maybe, but I just refuse to talk to them at all. I don't feel compelled to waste my talking to every person on the street that accosts me. If a tourist needing directions to somewhere that is different.

A few times back I visited Thermae for the first time and was somewhat overwhelmed. Indeed, while I find fishbowls in general awkward if the girls can see you, I vastly prefer that setup to Thermae's racetrack (like in Macau's Grand Lisbon, except this time it's the guys who are doing the walking).

I walked in the back door this time, which was interesting as it goes through some sort of toilet area and there are some girls hanging out. I remember someone saying before that girls inside Thermae are vetted to be real and not post-op TS or LB, but it seemed pretty easy to just sneak in the back and there were definitely a few of the taller, bigger structured girls that I was skeptical about (just like my WeChat debacle a few days prior). I know definitely some of the girls hanging around outside in front along the street are LB.

I did one or two laps this time, and wanting to select quickly I narrowed down what I was feeling up for that night (although a good 75% were acceptable). Looking for someone slim, natural body, and especially a nice face without too much makeup, I happened to find myself standing next to a cutie who was maybe 5'2" but very slim with what appeared to be natural BS. She also was dressed cute and not too revealing which I was feeling that night. While many of the girls there were super pale or had on whitening makeup, she had naturally light tan skin with flawless complexion. After minimal pleasantries went right into it and asked how much? She asked for 2500ST. While I knew I could get less if I wasn't picky or negotiated hard, I didn't want to spend too much time and I think 2500 all in was ok. Unfortunately she wouldn't budge on CBJ but would allow DATY and kissing (no DFK but I'm ok with that).

Well, her performance was quite good with a very nice, natural body in the room. Many positions, she said she came (and certainly put on a good performance in DATY), and her CBJ was on point. No complaining and was very wet, with very sensitive nipples, and encouraged me to manhandle her tits. Fun. At the end she was so tired she decided to go home rather than try for another customer, and she told me she lives far away with her family and does this for some extra cash a few times a week only. No reason to doubt her story, especially since she didn't seem super pro, more semi-pro. A decent experience and I may try to find her again in the future. Excellent English also. Gave her an extra little bit (200 I think) as "taxi money" and as she did not pressure for tip at all probably would have been happy with only the 2500 we agreed on. I think what mattered more was treating her more like a gf than a provider.

Incidentally, does anyone know the history of Thermae? I feel like it just kind of popped up in the last 3 years, when before it was all about Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza in the Asok / Nana area.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2222872]A few times back I visited Thermae for the first time and was somewhat overwhelmed. Indeed, while I find fishbowls in general awkward if the girls can see you, I va

Incidentally, does anyone know the history of Thermae? I feel like it just kind of popped up in the last 3 years, when before it was all about Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza in the Asok / Nana area.[/QUOTE]See bangkokeyes com site for the history of thermae and all bars and massage parlours. These guys are the experts for 30 years. Thermae goes back to Vietnam era, in its various sites.

And see [URL]https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/weekly-column/2018/09/welcome-back-bangkok/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2222872]

Incidentally, does anyone know the history of Thermae? I feel like it just kind of popped up in the last 3 years, when before it was all about Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza in the Asok / Nana area.[/QUOTE]Thermae has been in existence since at least the mid-80's when I started going to Bangkok for work.

I have posted before about competitions that 2 mates and I would have to see who could get in and out with a girl for the night in the shortest time. It was so easy back then (the record was just under 2 minutes).

It has changed a lot from those earlier times.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2222903]Thermae has been in existence since at least the mid-80's when I started going to Bangkok for work.

I have posted before about competitions that 2 mates and I would have to see who could get in and out with a girl for the night in the shortest time. It was so easy back then (the record was just under 2 minutes).

It has changed a lot from those earlier times.[/QUOTE]My understanding that Thermae has been around (not in the same location) since the 70's.

Every girl I have gotten out of thermae, but one, has purportedly been a part timer. Most of the bar girls and gogo girls I have had allegedly started the same day. I was her first.

First of all. I don't care what anyone says but the ladies working at Hooters cannot be bar fined. There is no popason to talk with or negotiate with. If you have a chance to take a Hooters girl out, it is purely between you and the lady and no one else.

Recent trips to Soi Cowboy have been excellent and I have had a great time at Sharks. They sometimes go topless. I had 3 really good sessions from their with an ex Pretty aged 28 and two little spinners and they were all true GFEs. The only negative was the constant badgering for LDs from other staff other than the lady I was with. For the newbies, if you oblige, the badgering will continued ten fold. TheBae fine for a normal girl is 700 and they are often better looking than the so called coyotes they have for BF 1500 and 1000 after midnight.

Went into Play Scool in Nana and found a real 21 year old spinner and received another true GFE. The only nice girl in the whole place. Truly a diamond in the ruff. BF 850 and 3000ST. Name Noy.

I have been to Tulip to see an old regular of mine View who never disappoints for 2,300 Baht for 2 hours of complete GFE / PSE action. Number V25 at Merci massage on Ratchada is a steal at 2,300 Baht and is multi organismic. I've also had a few great sessions at club 102 for 3,200 each for 90 minutes in a jacuzzi and test drove a new girl at Snow White whose name I just can't place now but gave another true GFE for 2. 100 Baht for 90 minutes.

If you use Zalo app, you can find some really hot Vietnamese ladies working in Bangkok. They stay at Nana condo on soi 4 and another condo on soi 6. Some are extremely hot and they can be had for 3,000ST and offer incalls. This is a steal as they frequent Spasso in the evening and get 6,000ST. Just yesterday I had Mina. She also shows up on We chat now and again so give it a try.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2222927]First of all. I don't care what anyone says but the ladies working at Hooters cannot be bar fined. There is no popason to talk with or negotiate with. If you have a chance to take a Hooters girl out, it is purely between you and the lady and no one else.

Recent trips to Soi Cowboy have been excellent and I have had a great time at Sharks. They sometimes go topless. I had 3 really good sessions from their with an ex Pretty aged 28 and two little spinners and they were all true GFEs. The only negative was the constant badgering for LDs from other staff other than the lady I was with. For the newbies, if you oblige, the badgering will continued ten fold. TheBae fine for a normal girl is 700 and they are often better looking than the so called coyotes they have for BF 1500 and 1000 after midnight.

Went into Play Scool in Nana and found a real 21 year old spinner and received another true GFE. The only nice girl in the whole place. Truly a diamond in the ruff. BF 850 and 3000ST. Name Noy.

I have been to Tulip to see an old regular of mine View who never disappoints for 2,300 Baht for 2 hours of complete GFE / PSE action. Number V25 at Merci massage on Ratchada is a steal at 2,300 Baht and is multi organismic. I've also had a few great sessions at club 102 for 3,200 each for 90 minutes in a jacuzzi and test drove a new girl at Snow White whose name I just can't place now but gave another true GFE for 2. 100 Baht for 90 minutes.

If you use Zalo app, you can find some really hot Vietnamese ladies working in Bangkok. They stay at Nana condo on soi 4 and another condo on soi 6. Some are extremely hot and they can be had for 3,000ST and offer incalls. This is a steal as they frequent Spasso in the evening and get 6,000ST. Just yesterday I had Mina. She also shows up on We chat now and again so give it a try.[/QUOTE]I was planning Vietnam trip along with Bangkok. But if I can get Viet girls in Bangkok I will skip it. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2222927]
Went into Play Scool in Nana and found a real 21 year old spinner and received another true GFE. The only nice girl in the whole place. Truly a diamond in the ruff. BF 850 and 3000ST. Name Noy.
[/QUOTE]Interesting to read since I went into that go-go bar for the first time in a long time, maybe ever, can't recall, just last week. In my case it was a spinner cutie sitting outside named Fon who enticed me inside. The chemistry she projected in the bar felt like true, long lasting love forever. LOL. After an LD or 2, the same numbers as yours were quoted.

As is usually my style, when the number comes out of the girl's mouth the "for what" details come out of mine. Which basically is either a full CIM finish to a BBBJ or a True GFE. Her true, long lasting love for me did not survive that revelation (either one, with me at least) for the 3000 to her or any other number suggested by her so I thanked her for her time and attention and bid her and the bar farewell.

Wound up with a lovely first meeting FL dating site option that night for a thoroughly satisfying all nighter that set me back 2,500 and I will definitely repeat with that one.

Is it common for Thermae girls to ask for taxi money after LT? I gave some taxi money to this particular girls since her service was satisfactory.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2222927]First of all. I don't care what anyone says but the ladies working at Hooters cannot be bar fined. There is no popason to talk with or negotiate with. If you have a chance to take a Hooters girl out, it is purely between you and the lady and no one else.

Recent trips to Soi Cowboy have been excellent and I have had a great time at Sharks. They sometimes go topless. I had 3 really good sessions from their with an ex Pretty aged 28 and two little spinners and they were all true GFEs. The only negative was the constant badgering for LDs from other staff other than the lady I was with. For the newbies, if you oblige, the badgering will continued ten fold. TheBae fine for a normal girl is 700 and they are often better looking than the so called coyotes they have for BF 1500 and 1000 after midnight.

Went into Play Scool in Nana and found a real 21 year old spinner and received another true GFE. The only nice girl in the whole place. Truly a diamond in the ruff. BF 850 and 3000ST. Name Noy.

I have been to Tulip to see an old regular of mine View who never disappoints for 2,300 Baht for 2 hours of complete GFE / PSE action. Number V25 at Merci massage on Ratchada is a steal at 2,300 Baht and is multi organismic. I've also had a few great sessions at club 102 for 3,200 each for 90 minutes in a jacuzzi and test drove a new girl at Snow White whose name I just can't place now but gave another true GFE for 2. 100 Baht for 90 minutes.[/QUOTE]So refreshing to read posts like this. Lots of great intel without the gratuitous details.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2214176]Is there truly any monger destination we can go where we can find 9+ working girls without breaking the bank (over 7 k baht)? FKK clubs 5+ years ago provided that but I don't know of any at present.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2214276]Venezuela and Colombia.[/QUOTE]I'm going to add the Dotonbori area in Osaka, Japan. Unbelievable looking working girls. Best in Asia by far but I have yet to visit Seoul which is next on my list to visit.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2217463]"Long Ah sound with very open mouth, so AR is closest approximation in English but a silent R (as you point out). Think of Jimmy Haas the tennis player, works." [/QUOTE]Think you meant Tommy Haas.

Thanks for the pronunciation guide.

Probably due to the ever increasing number of Asian punters, many more gals are sporting Bush. I don't mind a landing strip, but having hair around the lips, taint, and keister is just well, yuck. I keep myself well groomed and like the gals to as well.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2222913]My understanding that Thermae has been around (not in the same location) since the 70's.

Every girl I have gotten out of thermae, but one, has purportedly been a part timer. Most of the bar girls and gogo girls I have had allegedly started the same day. I was her first.[/QUOTE]I was first there in Jan 1991, in the old location, close to Miami Hotel. Despite what Red Kilt says, I did not see many guys hook up very quickly, however I am sure it could be done for the right guy and right money. It was very Farang guy dominated at that time and many girls were part time hookers, needing a bit extra money, but with day time jobs. Really late, the bar girls would show up after bar closing time, as well e. G. 2 am. Thermae was only bar / café still open.

At that time I saw plenty of interactions between Guys and girls that did not result in the two leaving, so I assume there were a lot of knock backs by the girls, if did not like the guy or he was too stingy. I picked out a girl but was hanging around for ages waiting for her pretty friend to find some acceptable guy, which hardly seemed to happen.

I took the same girl with big naturals all night, about 3 nights running, she was so passionate. Communication was difficult as I had only very basic Thai. When she had enough money she went with her friend back to Phitsanulok. I was sad to lose her, was so blissful. Can't remember if used Condoms. I am guessing was paying 500 Baht for the night, most likely, although possible was slightly more.

It was like being in heaven, being my first trip to Thailand without a wife in tow.

Thermae Soapy MP above was also a source of a lot of fun.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2223181]I was first there in Jan 1991, in the old location, close to Miami Hotel. Despite what Red Kilt says, I did not see many guys hook up very quickly, however I am sure it could be done for the right guy and right money. It was very Farang guy dominated at that time and many girls were part time hookers, needing a bit extra money, but with day time jobs. Really late, the bar girls would show up after bar closing time, as well e. G. 2 am. Thermae was only bar / caf still open.
[/QUOTE]I can assure you that it was "point and click" back in the early to mid-80's. The girls would literally jostle to be close to the entrance so they could grab guys as they entered. Possibly by 91 the girls had started getting more selective.

At that time Thermae and the Rex Hotel coffee shop were the 2 places along that Sukhumvit strip where a pick-up was a 'sure thing'.

Alas, the Rex soon lost its charm and it's now demolished, and I don't go to Thermae any more because the modern T-model spoils my pleasant memories of the good old days.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2214507]Go for a Korean next time, and you will not regret it. I have and it's been like a dream come true.

I am even leaning Korean now, and I visited a working girl in Seoul, where I spent 4 days of bliss with her.

Also, as you are probably aware, for the last 15 years or so, we have been blessed with a barrage of Korean providers visiting our US shores regularly. That was my cure for the Caucasian poon, and I have never looked back, and never been so pleased.[/QUOTE]"That was my cure for the Caucasian poon, and I have never looked back, and never been so pleased. " - Amen to that!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2223127]I'm going to add the Dotonbori area in Osaka, Japan. Unbelievable looking working girls. Best in Asia by far but I have yet to visit Seoul which is next on my list to visit.[/QUOTE]When I was in Seoul 7 years ago, pretty much all the Korean sex workers there in the RLD's refused to service me. They don't do farangs. Though I was told that I needed to go to the massage parlors to get FS. Just letting you know to avoid disappointment.

[QUOTE=Franga;2223215]When I was in Seoul 7 years ago, pretty much all the Korean sex workers there in the RLD's refused to service me. They don't do farangs. Though I was told that I needed to go to the massage parlors to get FS. Just letting you know to avoid disappointment.[/QUOTE]Friends who were working there prior to the Olympics said it was amazing. Most said the bar scene there in the 80's put BKK and Manila (which was rocking then as well) to shame at the time. The bars were all ordered closed on Jan 1st 1988 from what I was told. Since then it has been primarily a scene for locals. Crackdowns and cleanups; no fun for us.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2223171]Probably due to the ever increasing number of Asian punters, many more gals are sporting Bush. I don't mind a landing strip, but having hair around the lips, taint, and keister is just well, yuck. I keep myself well groomed and like the gals to as well.[/QUOTE]You reference punters so I assume you are talking about massage shop/soapy girls, FLs, escorts, beer bar girls and go-go bar girls where nudity is not the norm, right? Can't say I have noticed it cropping up, so to speak, in the bars where nudity is on tap. Of course, peer pressure to keep it shaved smooth would likely prevail in the nude venues.

Yes, that would be a disturbing trend. It wouldn't have to be the result of Asians requesting or expecting them to let it grow nasty wild. All it takes is for punters in general to no longer care if it has grown nasty wild or not.

I typically make my strong preference for shaved well known with the dating site girls I meet, even the non pro ones, so I have no idea how hairy they would be on that first date with guys who remain ever so politely mum about it. For me, they show up having agreed to be groomed and ready for licking or I don't bother to set a date at all. Simple as that.

There are many basic natural resource pluses about Thai girls. But the biggest downside is they are among the most sexually selfish and lazy females on the planet. If you don't press them to make an effort to (among other things) keep their pussy and all the critical area around their pussy considerately well groomed short or, better, shaved smooth, they will be only too happy to drop that from their "to do" list.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2223294]. But the biggest downside is they are among the most sexually selfish and lazy females on the planet. [/QUOTE]You never met my GF in the USA. Her line is: "Look old man, how many guys your age have a super-hot girlfriend that's 40 years younger that they don't pay for. I thought so. Now eat me till I have had enough."

She is so pissed that I am in Thailand that she is planning to show up, I can just feel it. Ugggg.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2223294]
There are many basic natural resource pluses about Thai girls. But the biggest downside is they are among the most sexually selfish and lazy females on the planet. If you don't press them to make an effort to (among other things) keep their pussy and all the critical area around their pussy considerately well groomed short or, better, shaved smooth, they will be only too happy to drop that from their "to do" list.[/QUOTE]Is that because some don't want to do Bare back and no CIM and don't want to take it in the ass? LOL.

I was really surprised by a Bargirl today. Good tongue kissing, allowed thorough fingering, and took a CIM without me asking for it. I told her I was cumming but she did not pull out. Lucky she was so accommodating since my dick was failing to find her pussy to be the right fit, and with wrong feeling it starts to flag. Maybe some guys have never experienced a pussy that does not feel right, but can happen. Naturally all my regular girls have superb feeling pussies.

Natty and I agreed the Crazy House is not really a shadow of its former self.

Previously there was a strong rumour that CH would move into Old Dutch when their lease was up. Today heard a rumour, the chefs in Love Scene left and the food in there sucks these days, also that Love Scene lease will expire in about a year or less, and then CH can move in there. As well as current lodging.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2223404]Maybe some guys have never experienced a pussy that does not feel right, but can happen. [/QUOTE]That can happen when you accidentally stick it up her rear end.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2223294]There are many basic natural resource pluses about Thai girls. But the biggest downside is they are among the most sexually selfish and lazy females on the planet. If you don't press them to make an effort to (among other things) keep their pussy and all the critical area around their pussy considerately well groomed short or, better, shaved smooth, they will be only too happy to drop that from their "to do" list.[/QUOTE]Well, having worked with both genders in Thailand, I would say that most Thai women (non-P4 P mind you) are quite hard working. Selfish sexually? I'm not sure I would say that. Conservative and repressed is the way I would describe them. Even the WGs for the most part. Thailand has been getting more and more conservative since the coup in '14. Women are not dressing sexy, on the contrary, are very conservative in their dress and manner.

And for years the trend with WGs was to shave. I think the emergence of Bush is purely due to a change in punter demographics. Most Asian guys, especially Koreans, Japanese, HK, and Chinese prefer au natural.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2223404]Is that because some don't want to do Bare back and no CIM and don't want to take it in the ass? LOL.
[/QUOTE]No, actually. Finding Thai girls who go bareback and, assuming they're capable of or interested in getting you to the point of cumming via a blowjob, finishing it CIM is not that big of a problem. Can't speak to the ass issue since I am not an ass man. But even taking it up the ass doesn't really require the girl to DO something. She could be incredibly sexually selfish and lazy and still find the energy to stick her ass in the air and keep her head on the pillow if you request it. Same for going bareback or finishing with a CIM (again, assuming the girl has been able to follow simple instructions and GETS you there. Ah, there's the problem). Those are not the points where sexual laziness takes over at least. Sexual selfishness can come in when they stubbornly insist on doing it their way and balk or play dumb about doing it the way you want or when you want.

Doing something well (having enough interest to want to learn how to do it well), skillfully, consistently and often enough to keep her man interested is the problem with sexually selfish and lazy Thai girls. Keeping up with the pussy hair grooming/shaving is the just one of the more visually obvious examples of the lack of those qualities. Most Thai girls will be able to squeak out a decent level of sexual attention the first or second time around.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2223524]
And for years the trend with WGs was to shave. I think the emergence of Bush is purely due to a change in punter demographics. Most Asian guys, especially Koreans, Japanese, HK, and Chinese prefer au natural.[/QUOTE]Do you think a lot of Asian punters are actually telling shaved girls to please let it grow wild and nasty or I won't choose you again? Or that they are checking and rejecting shaved girls and choosing hairy ones instead? I mean, how do you see this getting into the heads of the Thai P4P girls who used to shave but now no longer bother to do so? Maybe it is unspoken by the fact that the girls are showing up hairy and their Asian punters seem perfectly fine with that? But their Asian punters would likely be perfectly fine and say nothing if they were still shaved as well, no?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2223535]No, actually. Finding Thai girls who go bareback and, assuming they're capable of or interested in getting you to the point of cumming via a blowjob, finishing it CIM is not that big of a problem. Can't speak to the ass issue since I am not an ass man. But even taking it up the ass doesn't really require the girl to DO something. She could be incredibly sexually selfish and lazy and still find the energy to stick her ass in the air and keep her head on the pillow if you request it. Same for going bareback or finishing with a CIM (again, assuming the girl has been able to follow simple instructions and GETS you there. Ah, there's the problem). Those are not the points where sexual laziness takes over at least. Sexual selfishness can come in when they stubbornly insist on doing it their way and balk or play dumb about doing it the way you want.

Doing something well, skillfully, consistently and often enough to keep her man interested is the problem with sexually selfish and lazy Thai girls. Keeping up with the pussy hair grooming / shaving is the just one of the more visually obvious examples of the lack of those qualities. Most Thai girls will be able to squeak out a decent level of sexual attention the first or second time around.[/QUOTE]Makes me wonder how sexually selfish the guys are, not doing it the way the girl wants? LOL Many guys supposedly don't give a rat's ass about the girl's pleasure, whether with hookers or not.

Doing it right for your partner, requires experience, willingness to try something new, stamina, regular practice, etc. , for the girl, being able to tolerate a big cock down the throat without gagging and getting jaw lock or ache, etc.

Normally we read about women complaining their guys don't perform well enough. Like a pub staff girl that I know particularly well complained to me her French BF / Gik had sex for far too short a time for her to get off. He always came too quick. His dick would not stay up long enough if she rode him bareback. He was poor at DATY and hardly did that. Basically I advised her to train him how to do DATY right, and to dose him with Kamagra to keep his dick up longer so he did not have to cum too quick. She reported good improvements subsequently. I had said if all else fails, find a new sex buddy. LOL. She would not take me since I am too old and she knows I have a hot looking GF.

Similarly I think that inexperienced girls need practice and training. I have a pretty Laos girl that was very weak newbie 1+ years ago but now is a good enthusiastic performer. She has improved a lot. Could be the attitude and horniness improves once she feels comfortable with the guy.

I gave up hookers in my own country as they were so bad (90% and found Thai and Asian hookers to be vastly superior, back in home country. Some European hookers are very good (way better than my home country), but I find latin hookers to be the most reliably good of all. Can't say I have enough experience of non hookers to have a good sample. My ex wife was not great on the bed, so does not compare favourably. Most of us have done huge numbers of hookers and far fewer non hookers in our life.

My good reliable Thai girl comes to me shortly. Never found her to be lazy or selfish on the bed at all. However definitely not an average girl. More like a sex bomb and very experienced indeed. However she does have things she does not like, so we naturally go things that we both like. She had provided her ass in the past but is not into it any more.

Sex is not normally where one partner has to tolerate something really disliked that the other one wants to do. As example, if a girl finds a particular sex position causes the dick to keep crashing her uterus, I could imagine we would have to find other positions. I especially find that most girls do not enjoy anal so I don't ask for it. I also don't ask for CIM. If I tell her I am cumming and she takes the load, it is her decision. I might be weird but I try to have both parties enjoy as a far as possible, and we both have to try to do things the other likes if we can manage it. However if she wants to strap on a dildo and fuck my ass, no thanks. If she wants to bite, I only tolerate that so much. If she wants me to fuck very very fast, I have limited ability to do that because it does not feel good for me, and dick will probably sag. If she wants me to squeeze her nipples very hard, sure I can do that.

I found my bargirl of yesterday to be somewhat abnormal as she really did not complain about anything or avoid anything and went to great lengths to give me as good as possible. She probably wants repeat business. LOL So easy to meet reticent or very inexperienced timid bargirls.

One bargirl I used to fuck, has become a Coyote now, no longer nude, and no longer going for a fuck. Naturally she is now useless to me. I don't visit bargirls just to yack. LOL

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2223524]Well, having worked with both genders in Thailand, I would say that most Thai women (non-P4 P mind you) are quite hard working. Selfish sexually? I'm not sure I would say that. Conservative and repressed is the way I would describe them. Even the WGs for the most part. Thailand has been getting more and more conservative since the coup in '14. Women are not dressing sexy, on the contrary, are very conservative in their dress and manner.

And for years the trend with WGs was to shave. I think the emergence of Bush is purely due to a change in punter demographics. Most Asian guys, especially Koreans, Japanese, HK, and Chinese prefer au natural.[/QUOTE]Yeh, Thai girls are very interested to copy now, anything that Korean women might be doing, or Korean styles. I had not noticed more conservative dress, other than following the death of the King. 27 years ago Thai girl dress in Bangkok was very conservative, so progressively became far more revealing, especially with tight stuff showing ass crotch and tits very clearly. Many years ago, Thai girls definitely did not want to look like hookers. Now cut off jean shorts can be seen a lot, and also tight ass hugging thing stretch pants. Even in the village my Thai GF seems to wear stuff now that looks rather revealing like can see her ass shape too well or no bra, and she claims the young Thai men won't notice. LOL.

Got into town on the weekend, first chance to get out and about was Tuesday. Headed to Billboard in Nana (3rd Floor). From previous trips they always tend to have the look that I like and I prefer short time so it is a win win for all parties This was the first time I have been there in probably 6 months and only recognised about 6 workers and maybe the same number of bar staff, turnover is either high or being the rainy season perhaps some are on a break.

I sat in the benches on the first row and scoped out the talent, spa to the left, rotating stage to the right, coverage is good from this spot. As I was checking out the talent a bunch of maybe 6 to 8 Japanese men sat pretty much behind me filling the second and third rows. I was taking my time but these guys were on it from the get go. There were woman being hooked in left and right from every direction. I felt like I was on a fishing boat without a rod with all these fish flying past me and not being able to grab anything. They pretty much scooped the talent pool. I am not complaining at all, just commenting, if you are too slow to grab someone then you deserve to go home with no fish. Kudos and respect to these dudes.

The non trans mamasam sat down next to me and asked why I have no one and I told her the fish analogy to which she replied "how about such and such number". She didn't get what I said but I didn't expect her to, I was merely speaking rhetorically. I ended tipping her 100 baht, she felt me up and bit and headed off to push a number on someone else that probably didn't want it either.

I ended up drinking 3 beers over an hour and a bit, served by a waitress that knows me from past trips so isn't too pushy with me. Billboard tends to be very pushy with drinks and women to the point of being irritating. By tipping the waitress (200 baht) bit and putting up with a mild groping from the old fat mamasan they tend to be cool with me, less pushy so it all works out well in the end.

I didn't grab anyone but noted 3 numbers that are on my radar for next visit, so if a Fishing party comes in I will be on it like a fat kid on cake. Total damage 900 baht- $30, cheap entertainment I guess.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2223541]Do you think a lot of Asian punters are actually telling shaved girls to please let it grow wild and nasty or I won't choose you again? Or that they are checking and rejecting shaved girls and choosing hairy ones instead? I mean, how do you see this getting into the heads of the Thai P4P girls who used to shave but now no longer bother to do so? Maybe it is unspoken by the fact that the girls are showing up hairy and their Asian punters seem perfectly fine with that? But their Asian punters would likely be perfectly fine and say nothing if they were still shaved as well, no?[/QUOTE]I think it is probably more of the first. The guys comment and since there are more of "them" than "us" the gals respond in kind. And as you said, it is less for them to do as well. I think the Asian punters for the most part have different wants and needs than their Western counterparts.

I remember being told by an Asian dude "bald tiger" was a sign of ill health. Perhaps back in the days when shaving was the cure for lice that was true. Could explain the origin.

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2223597]The non trans mamasam sat down next to me and asked why I have no one and I told her the fish analogy to which she replied "how about such and such number". She didn't get what I said but I didn't expect her to, I was merely speaking rhetorically. I ended tipping her 100 baht, she felt me up and bit and headed off to push a number on someone else that probably didn't want it either.
[/QUOTE]I try very hard to stay away from the fat old. She is generally disliked and distrusted. Tip her or buy her a drink, and she will pester you forever, like flies to a corpse. There are about 4 or 5 mamasans in total.

If you are too slow, can note the girl's number and try for her again another time.

I was there Wed, and thought only 3 girls were really top class that I would consider them. Natty said was better another night. I chatted to No. 52 Cake who seemed quite nice. 62 also appealed a bit, and forget the other one now.

Despite that, Billboard does seem to have a better standard than any other bar in Nana (remembering I don't like the surgeries look), for natural slim girls.

Butterflies is a good imitation, but overall standard of the girls is a rung or two lower.

Diamonds may have a classy girl or two based on my last visit there. Twisters had gone down in my ratings.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2223609]I think it is probably more of the first. The guys comment and since there are more of "them" than "us" the gals respond in kind. And as you said, it is less for them to do as well. I think the Asian punters for the most part have different wants and needs than their Western counterparts.

I remember being told by an Asian dude "bald tiger" was a sign of ill health. Perhaps back in the days when shaving was the cure for lice that was true. Could explain the origin.[/QUOTE]I guess that is another factor in favor of meeting non pros and FLs on the dating sites for me. With the non pros, they couldn't care less what an Asian punter wants since they are not really in the business of attracting Asian punters. And with the more direct P4P FreeLancers I meet online, I can filter out for shaved vs hairy well before a "booking" if not before exchanging Line info.

Then again, my observation about Thai girls being among the more sexually selfish and lazy females on the planet is based much more on my regular, non P4P girl encounters; girls I've met in restaurants, shopping malls, dating sites, etc., and not so much girls in the direct P4P business. A different cultural character and pattern emerges in them and my expectations are different when I am not more or less directly dangling roughly a week's wage over the head of a girl in order to entice her to behave a certain way for the next 90 minutes and then go away vs those often longer term romance and dating scenes that come about as the result of meeting a non pro around town or online.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2223723]Then again, my observation about Thai girls being among the more sexually selfish and lazy females on the planet is based much more on my regular, non P4P girl encounters; girls I've met in restaurants, shopping malls, dating sites, etc., and not so much girls in the direct P4P business. A different cultural character and pattern emerges in them and my expectations are different when I am not more or less directly dangling roughly a week's wage over the head of a girl in order to entice her to behave a certain way for the next 90 minutes and then go away vs those often longer term romance and dating scenes that come about as the result of meeting a non pro around town or online.[/QUOTE]And you have a lot of experience with many non P4 Ps in other countries, to be a comparison? My non-Asian non-P4 Ps are far too few to make a useful comparison. I knew as soon as I saw James Bond in Japan (as a teen ager) that I really liked Asian girls. LOL After basically one ex wife from home country, I became allergic to girls there. Too bossy. Was followed by a string of Asian GFs only, and mostly Thai, but still a small sample. One Thai GF (non P4 P) was very lacking on the bed due to lack of training, lack of experience, lack of knowledge, and low sex drive. However comparable to the ex wife in skills (or lack of them) LOL.

Girls with P4 P experience are vastly superior overall. If choosing a non P4 P girl now, I would take one that at least masturbated from a young age, as an indicator that at least she is horny. Most if not a all of my past GFs, claimed to have never masturbated, although one or two were not really responding so probably did (these were Thai girls). I leave out any hookers, ex hookers, etc. Here.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2223979]And you have a lot of experience with many non P4 Ps in other countries, to be a comparison? My non-Asian non-P4 Ps are far too few to make a useful comparison. [/QUOTE]I think so. Of course, "a lot" is a relative term. But for girlfriend relationships being, let's say, dating with sex included on a weekly basis for more than half a year, I have had many USA-born and raised girlfriends (mostly Caucasian, one I married, two African-American girls), more than one each from Central America, China, Japan, U. K., the Philippines, Thailand (met in the USA, one I married, several now in Thailand), Korea, Vietnam, one from Laos, one from France. Probably missed one or two I don't recall now.

Generally, the Thai girls, with the exception of the one I married (maybe why I married her. LOL), were and are the ones who stand out for very rarely DOING something of a sexual nature for me without being asked each time. And that is despite expressing undying love for me and hoping that we'll be together forever, blah, blah. Pussy shaving, BBBJ+CIM, please pull your hair back and out of the way before you do this or that so you don't have to keep pushing it back all during the process, gee wouldn't it be great if you set up a nice evening just for my pleasure once every year or two, that kind of thing required me mentioning it, asking for it, reminding them, whatever. It just doesn't seem to be in their nature to give much consideration to and putting much effort into DOING something of a sexual nature for a man (maybe only me) unless asked or, as in a P4P situation, there is an immediate, tangible kibble reward in hand for it.

This seems to somewhat match your experiences with Thai girls too, btw.

And they certainly do seem to enjoy what I pro-actively DO for them sexually, particularly the DATY part. But apparently without it inspiring them to reciprocate all that often. Even the Thai girl I married after dating for a dozen years rarely initiated anything, but her BBBJ+CIM+Swallow skills were so fantastic and her pussy so wonderful feeling, it took longer for me to notice. LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2224000]I think so. Of course, "a lot" is a relative term. But for girlfriend relationships being, let's say, dating with sex included on a weekly basis for more than half a year, I have had many USA-born and raised girlfriends (mostly Caucasian, one I married, two African-American girls), more than one each from Central America, China, Japan, U. K., the Philippines, Thailand (met in the USA, one I married, several now in Thailand), Korea, Vietnam, one from Laos, one from France. Probably missed one or two I don't recall now.

Generally, the Thai girls, with the exception of the one I married (maybe why I married her. LOL), were and are the ones who stand out for very rarely DOING something of a sexual nature for me without being asked each time. And that is despite expressing undying love for me and hoping that we'll be together forever, blah, blah. Pussy shaving, BBBJ+CIM, please pull your hair back and out of the way before you do this or that so you don't have to keep pushing it back all during the process, gee wouldn't it be great if you set up a nice evening just for my pleasure once every year or two, that kind of thing required me mentioning it, asking for it, reminding them, whatever. It just doesn't seem to be in their nature to give much consideration to and putting much effort into DOING something of a sexual nature for a man (maybe only me) unless asked or, as in a P4P situation, there is an immediate, tangible kibble reward in hand for it.

This seems to somewhat match your experiences with Thai girls too, btw.

And they certainly do seem to enjoy what I pro-actively DO for them sexually, particularly the DATY part. But apparently without it inspiring them to reciprocate all that often. Even the Thai girl I married after dating for a dozen years rarely initiated anything, but her BBBJ+CIM+Swallow skills were so fantastic and her pussy so wonderful feeling, it took longer for me to notice. LOL.[/QUOTE]My Thai Gfs (non P4 P) were older girls, more traditional, no shaved pussies, perhaps trimmed. Fortunately my current GF naturally has a nearly bald pussy so landing strip style. Yes some would probably not do a BJ unless asked, none would do anal (I did not request anyway), none would do CIM. Of course my Farang wife was little better. Did she do BJ? Honestly I can hardly remember if her BJ was any good or not. If memorable, I am sure would remember. I tend to forget detail quicker when ordinary to bad. My ex Farang wife was not into DATY. Maybe I was not good enough at it. Got very well trained by a Thai girl after split with ex wife. Now every experienced at DATY and almost all Thai girls like it a lot. LOL.

In general I found black and latin girls to be superior sexually to all others. I remember very fondly a slim girl from Cuba who could not speak a word of English but I had a fabulous time with her despite communication being close to Zero. I think we both had just a few words of German in common. LOL.

For my Thai liasons, I stick to mostly very experienced, fun, and relatively skilled girls now, although more lenient if they are very pretty and have a fabulous body. LOL. That is as good a turn on for me as doing a super BBBJ with DT etc. Girls in mid 30's are very acceptable if have stayed in good shape.

I still run into gorgeous girls with really crap service occasionally, especially in Soapies. It is very hit and miss. 20+ years ago I don't recall ever getting a lot of Thai P4 P girls that were really crap. This seems to be a modern thing. In old times, most girls were enthusiastic and that helped so much to make a good time. I have to allow for possibility that a lot of change is in myself. We get more fussy and more difficult with age.

I have noticed that a great girl for one Farang, can be crap for another. Natty Bumpo and I have accidentally (by co incidence) tried several girls in common. Some were really good for both of us, yet another is good for Natty but was poor for me. Sometimes a guy and girl are just not suited to each other. Other girls have been poor for me first try and good on a 2nd try. Was hard to fathom it, but related to inebriation levels of the girl. Could change her mood completely.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2224062]
I have noticed that a great girl for one Farang, can be crap for another. Natty Bumpo and I have accidentally (by co incidence) tried several girls in common. Some were really good for both of us, yet another is good for Natty but was poor for me. Sometimes a guy and girl are just not suited to each other. Other girls have been poor for me first try and good on a 2nd try. Was hard to fathom it, but related to inebriation levels of the girl. Could change her mood completely.[/QUOTE]Yes, I resemble that remark.

The girl we both liked was a Suzy Wong girl of a couple years ago. What a nice girl and with a super body. Funny, my 1st time with her was tentative and not all that amaxing, but fortunately I went back to see her 4 or 5 days later and we really clicked upstairs in the SW short time bedroom. After that we began hooking up in the afternoons quite regularly for pool party, boom boom and early dinner sessions. That girl was a dolphin when it came to swimming and diving. All natural.

The other girl we have in common (that I know of LOL besides a possible Mango girl or two) Syzgies found to be dick shy, but not me. She is a close GF of another CH regular of mine and that's how I met her one night. The 2 girls have been my CH dynamic duo for a couple of years now. But on my 1st night back in CH this trip, neither girl was in attendance and I was sad because I had lost communication with them a couple of months prior to my trip. (Nobody (not mamasan or my two regular waitresses who knew me well) gave me correct data on my girls and played dumb) So, I thought they were long gone forever. Then a few nights later I wandered back into CH and surprise suprise. I see P dancing naked on the stage in her usual spot and we both did a simultaneous double take on each other, since both of us were caught under such happy and somewhat surpising circumstances. So thus far I have hooked up with them both twice and P solo a couple of nights ago when S and I barhopped a little around Nana.

BTW S, I went back to Billboard last night and the cutie spinner I spoke about was back in attendance. The two girls we had met the previous night where nowhere to be seen. After the 2nd round of Tequila, I barfined the petite 21 year old. She goes by the name of P, yes another P, and was very demure yet friendly. She has a big tatoo on her back which somehow I had not noticed while she was dancing on the carousel. But she has a pretty face, nice little butter cup tites, and a very pleasent personaity. She also has a very tight little pussy so I was very gentle with her and took my time going in. Nice! I plan to see her again, maybe Saturday night. She also told me she used to work at Butterfies for a year and then recently moved to Billboard whcih she says she likes better.

So thus far this trip I have had some good 1st time trysts with girls in Kings Castle 1 (very solid stable of good looking young girls), RB 4 (a topless bar), Twister, a 35 year old Spasso FL, a mango girl, a 5* Mitu girl who gave me a slurpy, goopy, good time - LOL, and unfortunately one dud, a sexy Badabing spinner who put me on the clock after 12 minutes or so. She promised that next time it would be better. 555. I told her there is no next time baby, only this time.

I guess this post is turning into a trip report. OMG! Ok here is a quick summary-.

Bars I like:

1. Kings Castle 1 and to a lesser extant KC2. Sheer volume of young good looking talent is very impressive. The barfines: 600, 800, 1000, 1200, & 1400 are crazy. But very very high talent level! KC2 Barfies are 800 & 1000.

2. Billboard. The talent is not as extensive as KC1, but on both nights I was there it was pretty good.

3. Baccara. Suprise surpise. A ton of girls. Something for everyone's taste. I called a very pretty spinner over for a drink. Nice girl. I plan to do her at a later date.

4. RB4 - topless bar catering to NE Asian tastes. The girl I asked over was a petite China Doll with a bang hairdew. I called her over becasue she had lovely tities. 20, friendly, ready and willing to be barfined by the Gringo. I liked her and I plan to see her again. She possessed a small tight pussy too.

5. CH. I already talked about. When my girls are there its great. When they are not it's ok. I think they have to do more to recruit some nice young girls in order to compete with the likes of KC1.

6. Twister. I have similar feelings about Twister. I barfined a lot of girls out of this bar in 2017. But none of my 2017 girls were in attendance when I stopped by last week. Maybe they will be there when I go back. Without them the talent level is not as good as last year IMHO, but I still managed to find a nice little spinner who really knew how to take care of me. Actually she found me as I was about to leave. LOL.

7. Butterflies. I went there with Syzygies 2 nights ago. I liked the layout. There seemed to be a number of friendly girls there. I will probably go back.

8. Crazy Cats. Small bar. It's seems ok. They have "PR" girls sitting outside to attract customers, but I sat with a dancer (another P, 555) last night after P (my Billboard girl) left. I might go back.

Bars I am ambivalent on:

Badabing. I am conflicted on this one. It is obvious that it is in decline. Last year they had 15 girls on stage per set. This year 6. But of that 6, 2 were pretty hot. I barfined one of the hotties since she passed the audition with flying colors, The 1st 12 minutes of sexual congress was good. Then things went down hill (time clcock girl). I probably will not go back again this trip.

Bars I do not like: 5 Star & Exotica. Both pretty are bad IMHO.

That's about it so far. I am enjoying BKK. Its good to be back.

Today I checked Crazy House briefly, looking for long lost girls. Not found. I found one girl with a cute face and two girls with good bodies, but different ones. The rest was pretty average crap for me. Take into account as always not into surgeries look.

Went to Five star and was pleasantly surprised. The car alarm music was at the start but actually moved into some songs that were tolerable as time went by. So I did not have to cover my ears for that long. Still they really have not got the music right. You have to just tolerate it. Why was I pleasantly surprised? Not because of the 50 year old nude girl dancing. LOL However there were many natural looking girls and several had quite nice looking tits. The line up was a lot better than Wednesday for me. No. 45 was even cute and I would BF her in right circumstance. None of the girls looked really skinny, but a couple could pass for slimmish. Today I did not intend to take a girl. What is interesting is I enjoyed watching several girls dancing nude, where I did not at Crazy House. The lighting was much better than CH. Also the girls are all facing the audience, so you see tits and pussy (some nice ones). In CH I admired some girl's ass but never saw her from the front properly. Five star girls are now like a throw back to how Long Gun girls might have been 17 years ago. E. g. Isaan girls not that light skinned, exotic looking, some good curvy bodies, some good tits, not one girl had sillies, and only two or 3 nose jobs. Sat with Ging who I know but she has converted to a Coyote girl (not barfinable for sex any more). Still next time I could easily try another. Today 45 and another girl were BFed by a lady to take back home to her husband / BF I heard. Ging commented that one girl with a good body and looks 30, had rather few customers at CH, but now is BFed daily at 5 Star. The customer base at 5 star is different. Mostly older Farangs. Maybe they liked Long Gun 17 years ago too. Don't get me wrong. 5 Star does not have quite the same number of girls and talent levels as what Long Gun used to have, However I am reminded of former times with so many natural girls, and not many of them were really ugly. In CH a lot were ugly to my taste. Certainly a lot of CH girls have ugly sillies, and many have ugly faces. I could see myself preferring 5 star now.

For those into excessively young girls, 5 star is not going to be working I think. Crazy has much more young girls (but ugly). 5 star girls will probably be ugly to Asian guys. I don't see it getting overrun by Japanese and Koreans. I think Crazy House has more girls with baby damage too. I did not see ugly damaged bellies despite the good lighting, at 5 star. Fortunately 5 Star had only a small number of Coyotes (over dressed). Some girls with very small tits but not much sag bags, in addition to no coconut shell tits. So the average tits standard was high, for me. Several good full tits that I would love to fondle. No absolute fatties either. They must have a higher girl selection standard than at CH, barring the one with 50 YO face. I would say these days at Crazy House , they take almost anything.

If they put on music to suit older Farangs, the bar could even take off. LOL That is definitely holding it back.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2224102]That's about it so far. I am enjoying BKK. Its good to be back.[/QUOTE]Perhaps you should consider Modesty as a middle name?

Great going NB. I am inspired.

Glad you enjoyed KC1, Natty. Been trying to tell people that is a gogo bar not to miss in BKK for about a year now. Sadly it still seems to be missed by many. Was much better last year but still good now. Good playful staff. Friendlier girls than other BKK bars.

So my buddy rolled into town and wants to go down to check out the action, SOI accompanied him in the rain. This was my first time down in the fun area in years.

Of course, since it was pouring rain, I was accosted by the umbrella ladies, and eventually forced to buy one for a hundred bucks. While I was trying to keep myself dry, my buddy disappeared into a go-go bar, and I'm still waiting to hear back from him.

Lower suk and Nana we're pretty crowded, even in the rain. The nice thing was that the sidewalks were a bit more clear, making it easier to walk with an umbrella on your head. There were some discrete street parys here and there, still a decent number of vendors, and still food everywhere, how long with filth and Freelancers.

Figuring that I was down there, I might as well grab some action, I walked into the magic table. The line up there was pretty atrocious, although there was one Cutie who was eminently doable. However, I just wasn't feeling it, so after a drink, I left.

Thermae was packed. There was a whole bunch of Lookers in there, but again, I wasn't in the mood. Maybe being a fat old guy, I still got some interest from a lot of the ladies, but the ones you were interested in me, or not the ones who had those plastic surgery Asian style. In this regard, my buddy told me that on the plane from Seoul to Bangkok, there were at least five Thai looking girls, with the bandages of recent cosmetic surgery. Some of the girls in turn made were ridiculous, with their pointy chins and that silly looking anime image.

I then, just for the hell of it, rolled over to Shock39. My problem with that place is always been the stupid entrance fee, as well as the drunken Indians. Those guys do not know how to handle their liquor at all. There was a whole bunch of decent Talent there, but I have no pricing report since I didn't ask. I had one cute chick who said she was from Buri Ram chasing me around, but we never got to pricing because I wasn't in the mood. There was another girl that kept approaching me, telling me that she was "from Thailand" in a Eastern European accent, and she got a little irritated at me when I spoke Russian to her. There were a couple of hot blondes in there too. I was sort of pleasantly surprised at the talent, but I was just on a amusement mission as opposed to satisfy a need for perverted and depraved lust.

Took a taxi back to Nana, and walked around again. The girls in front of the matter Hotel we're looking pretty good, including one little cutie who is deaf. I wasn't in the mood to deal with the death girl. Walking up Sukhamvit from Nana at like 3 am, again, there were cart bars but not like in the old days. But at least you could walk. There were a whole bunch of cuties selling themselves, and by cuties I mean a good solid bunch of five or sixes, with at least one girl I would have rated a strong 7 in my book.

Silent, at like 3 am, I I decided to blow out of there, so grab day cab. This of course meant I had to walk up to terminal 21 to finally find a mobile cab driver who would turn the meter on. I wasn't going to pay 300 Baht for a 100 baht ride. Going up Sukhamvit towards Thong Lo, there was a huge roadblock on suk. The driver, who spoke English pretty well kind of told me if it is a regular thing there on Friday, Saturday and Wednesdays, starting at about 2 am he said they are looking to get money from falang and they also said they're big thing is electronic cigarettes, which is worth anywhere between 10000 and 40000 baht on the spot. They pay no attention to me however and the driver told me that it was because I was probably too old 55555.

I still haven't heard from my lost buddy, so I assumed he was successful. He's probably going to want to go to Cowboy tonight. Oh to be young again.

For you newcomers, one of the best things that you can do is if you're going to need a taxi, spend a few minutes on your phone Googling the mileage between the venues of choice for the evening and your base of operations. That will tell you what your taxi fare is going to be. Then learn the special Thai term, that is: "meter, meter, OK? Sooner or later you're going to find somebody that's going to run the muta for you. I was basically laughing my ass off at some of these drivers, like when I was coming out of shock 39 tuk tik guy quoted me b200 back to Nana, which was in meters in considering the tuk-tuk guy that took me there get it for 20 baht. Taxi Driver corded me 500 Baht, and I just walk down the street, flag going down, and got back to Nana for 65.

SwingersHub is having an invite only party in Bangkok sometime next week for couples and selected singles. Looks like it's going to be one big orgy. Does anyone have any information on this or has anyone attended some of their parties before? I knew the owner of the club and he used to be a big thing in Jakarta back in the day. Then there were parties in Mumbai but not heard of anything post that.

3 Weeks old report.

I rushed to Baccara Friday night around 11:30, the doorman asked to buy drink first. After getting the drink went upstairs, it was completely packed, took few minutes to find a sit. Topless dance was going on, I ordered a Padthai. I have a policy of paying my bills instantly to avoid any unecessary fuss later.

The girl I promised to take next time during my last trip was busy with another customer and the lady I wante to repeat had vanished. Not many newbies I saw, all old girls with their attitude of ripping you to the fullest they could. #28 always catches my eye with her model like face and beautiful fake boobs, but IMO avoid her at all cost. She got a princess's attitude, I saw atleast 3 men talking to her but none offered a LD.

Up to an extent I believe the Japs have ruined Baccara culture by offering exaggerate LDs and tips to girls and Mamasans without giving a single fuck it makes them ask more from you. Anyways it's their money, who the fuck am I to judge. A lady with the old Jap guy besides me sucked out of him and wanted to host me, WTF go away I said.

It was 12:30 and I had to bang someone that night. Noticed #16 shy and not desperate to get a customer so might be new I thought, asked the mamasan serving me to check whether she was up for LT, which she was. She came over followed by a drink for her and another one for the mamasan. She was from Isaan, petite with small boobs, for me small boobs are way better than fake ones. Her name is Nam (yes the same as mamasan), she checked my manhood while we were talking and quote 6 k for LT to which I encountered with 5 k. She wouldn't agree but the nice mamasan named Nam intervened and we settled for 5 k LT + 600 BF. I paid for drinks + BF and off we went to my hotel. We chatted in taxi, her English is bad but I speak basic Lao / Isaan so communication was fine without Google translate. She said it was her 4th month in Baccara.

We reached hotel at around 1:45, inside the room chatted some more, she added me to her facebook. I wanted to shower together but she didn't. In bed she wanted CBJ, I laughed and she understood what I wanted. The BBBJ was not great but I believe most Baccara girls are like that, I had to insist her for go deep and lick the balls. She was not ready for DFK. 10 minutes later she put on the cover and rode me as cowgirl, few minutes later switched to miss. She was full of fake moaning, I tried doggy, jockey positions and she was open for all. I finished in jockey then we went to sleep. I wanted to have one more round but my deep sleep ruined it.

Morning around 5:50 she woke up and dressed up to leave, WTH. I asked her we agreed for LT and as per her LT was until 6 in the morning. When she asked for money I said it's not LT at all and I can't pay you 5 k as promised and for god's sake I have banged you just once. She reasoned that since she slept with me deserved the money 555. I gave her the option to have another round right now and I give you 5 k, but she wouldn't do it. Alright I offered her 4 k, she argued but soon left.

She is a nice girl with bad attitude, so never again for me.

Reviews:

Face: 6/10.

Body: 8/10 (more petite than you expect, no baby damage).

Boobs: 5/10 (she has plan for going for fake ones soon).

BBBJ: 5/10.

FS: 8/10 (-1 for fake moanings).

Attitude: 6/10.

WIR: Not even in my dreams.

However you guys can try, YMMV.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2224198]Glad you enjoyed KC1, Natty. Been trying to tell people that is a gogo bar not to miss in BKK for about a year now. Sadly it still seems to be missed by many. Was much better last year but still good now. Good playful staff. Friendlier girls than other BKK bars.[/QUOTE]Last year I took 2 girls out of KC2. Both were really great. One of them was in my top 5, while the other was in my top 10 of 2017. "Friendlier" or more sexualy available than other BKK bar girls? I would have to agree, at least based on my small sample. Plus the volume of good lookers at the Kings Castle bars: that is why I booked my first 5 nights in BKK at a hotel on Ratchadamri Rd so I had better access to Patpong. Some punters think Patpong is too long a trek from Sukhumvit and not worth the trouble. IMHO it is not that far and definitely worth it.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2224193]Perhaps you should consider Modesty as a middle name?

Great going NB. I am inspired.[/QUOTE]I am just your humble correspondent. No, wait a minute. That's Bill O'Reilly. Let's not go there. But I do love BKK and Thai girls.

Last night I went to Emmanuelle. I will report on my massage parlors in the appropriate thread. Suffice it to say now that my S category girl was very attractive and she showed me a good time. Afterwards I just walked around in the drizzling rain with my umbrella and stopped in a few places to have a drink and some dinner. Later around 11 pm I call it a night and head back to my hotel. I watch a little TV and fall asleep thinking it was a pretty good day.

Then around 3 in the morning I am woken out of a sound sleep with a video Line call from my 2 CH girls. They are acting very silly outside of CH and want to come over and molest me. I say ok and we have a little late night party in my room. I provided the Mescal which I brought all the way from the USA. The girls left around 6 am and I went back to sleep. I love this town. I can't get enough!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2224102]

Bars I like:

1. Kings Castle 1 and to a lesser extant KC2. Sheer volume of young good looking talent is very impressive. The barfines: 600, 800, 1000, 1200, & 1400 are crazy. But very very high talent level! KC2 Barfies are 800 & 1000.

2. Billboard. The talent is not as extensive as KC1, but on both nights I was there it was pretty good. [/QUOTE]I went to Kings Castle 1 last night. Holly shit do they have some talent. Up until that visit I always thought Billboards talent was a cut above the rest for this Farang but nooo!. There were 10 or so hotties and the rest were still above average, very very few fuglies / fillers. I tend to find Billboard has only maybe 5 hotties and then the talent pool declines quite quickly into ladies just making up the numbers so I was very impressed with Kings Castle.

Anyway, quickly barfined what according to my taste was a hottie, she had no problem going with me despite being a farang in an otherwise Japanese dominated club and area. She was from just south of Bangkok, stayed with me for about 2 hours which is my preferred time limit and I had a great time with no complaints.

All up with BF, her Tip and a few drinks the total came to about 5500 or $175 - can't complain really and she was worth every penny IMHO.

I heard a rumour, can't say how reliable, that business at "Love Scene" has not been going as well lately and food standard may have declined. The rumour further indicated that "Love Scene" may not get a renewed lease in approx. 1 year from now. Could be some other nearby business, wants the floor space. LOL Can't imagine if this rumour really has any substance to it.

Initially Crazy House was rumoured to be interested to take over Old Dutch premises, however has not happened as yet and seems too long since I heard the rumours. Not sure that CH can justify an expansion any more. Business looks to have been dropping off, along with the standard of the girls.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2224592]Initially Crazy House was rumoured to be interested to take over Old Dutch premises, however has not happened as yet and seems too long since I heard the rumours. Not sure that CH can justify an expansion any more. Business looks to have been dropping off, along with the standard of the girls.[/QUOTE]Their own fault really. If they didn't pull that double drink nagging and other hassles they would have been doing better. Haven't bothered going there anymore during my last two visits to Thailand. Took three girls there in total over multiple visits, one ST which was a starfish, one LT which did a runner, and another ST which was so boring that I might as well shagged a sandbag or something.

Come to think of it, I don't bother with BKK Go-gos anymore. If I visit a Go-go then that is in Pattaya but with the BF prices going through the roof I haven't been a frequent visitor to the Go-Gos there neither this trip. It seems both in BKK but Pattaya especially they seem to try to counter the reduced business with raising prices in general thus creating a vicious circle. Sorry but not sorry, I ain't going to pay a 1500 baht barfine while a Thaifriendly hookup is about the same price if you don't haggle which I don't for that price. At least the 1500 baht barfine hasn't arrived yet in Bangkok?

In Bangkok I either try my luck via TF as well though this lazy bum who just complained about barfine prices in the sentence above also had no qualms with paying the relatively more expensive (independent) escorts via Smoochi. Never had anything below a mediocre experience there, and most of the time good to excellent. I don't mind paying the higher price as long as it goes to the girl and not a place where I just had the privileged to listen to 'car alarm music' as it has been accurately described here in this thread.

For the first time visitors reading this, I aint saying to avoid the Go-Gos but keep your wits about and don't let the girls or mamas leech you. Don't pay upfront for ST / LT neither which seems to be on the rise as well, always refuse. Hell, go even to Crazy House for a peek inside but I don't recommend buying any of the wares there and now the quality has declined even more compared to my last visit there a year ago it seems. If you are younger then Thaifriendly is a goldmine (though I think oldtimers can have success there too) for both pros, semi-pros and non WGs. I even managed to pick up a freebie while I have close to zero 'game'. Bangkok has a nice mix of working girls and non working girls on there.

Next time I really 'need' to see Thermae, six times and counting in Bangkok and never set foot in there. Just realised I never went to a Soapie massage too yet. Keep forgetting they exist. Heared they aint doing too well and might be a thing of the past soon?

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2222779]Actually, you can do alright! Just be confident and carry a big purse, just in case. For providers, money is number 1. The rest comes after.

To increase your chances of a hit, do not negotiate too hard, be nice and a gentleman, well groomed. This should take care of everything. But make an effort to show confidence in yourself. That's the key IMO.[/QUOTE]I agree with Lefeu. Money is king along with the right attitude. I am brown too and close to middle age. Never had a problem in Thermae even pulled in some stunners at the regular prices, just be presentable, cool and confident. A few times did seem like rejection but I just calmly move on to the next one I fancy. And it works both ways, I reject far more.

BTW have been noticing a lot of the same girls in Thermae and just a few seem to be new faces since the new year. Sometimes they do not recognize me although I have their contacts from a previous meeting, just goes to show that they have been with so many men it becomes a blur. A few times I have done repeats from Thermae.

My last trip that ended two weeks ago started visiting Nana and cowboy a little more, picked two from Baccarra on separate nights (even took one thermae girl in there one night after the deed to oblige her request). But have to say that my favorite grounds are the discos. Levels and mixx mainly. Cheers!

[QUOTE=DropDoos;2224663]
For the first time visitors reading this, I aint saying to avoid the Go-Gos but keep your wits about and don't let the girls or mamas leech you. Don't pay upfront for ST / LT neither which seems to be on the rise as well, always refuse. Hell, go even to Crazy House for a peek inside but I don't recommend buying any of the wares there and now the quality has declined even more compared to my last visit there a year ago it seems. If you are younger then Thaifriendly is a goldmine (though I think oldtimers can have success there too) for both pros, semi-pros and non WGs. I even managed to pick up a freebie while I have close to zero 'game'. Bangkok has a nice mix of working girls and non working girls on there.
[/QUOTE]Yes I have never paid upfront, and CH had definitely gone downhill badly. Never worth trying for a LT on first time with a girl. They are likely to change their mind or do a runner. Odd girls are okay Especially if know them already, e. G. Natty's pair and also a girl I knew for years Naen, gave me really excellent service, so much so, that I was pleasantly shocked. Smoothy also reports excellent service from the high Tats and piercings girl "Ice" but she is not to my taste. Not pretty enough. LOL.

I also know of several crappy girls I tried a long time ago. However most are unknown to me, just not pretty and hot body enough to be worth trying.

I still enjoy my regular gogo girls (in Shark) because I know exactly what to expect. No bad surprises and have a fun time. Gogo girls are definitely not a highly worthwhile option when you run the risk of a crap session though. Same goes for expensive Soapy girls. LOL 20 years ago both of these were good options for me. Much cheaper and far fewer crap sessions. Us old guys get cranky, that things have gone bad, with surgeries galore.

[QUOTE=Klassic;2112243]Hi,

I know I should contribute more before asking for something. But I just needed to know if anybody had any info on foreign WG's in BKK. Not Africans / Russians but Koreans / Japanese / Chinese / TW / Indos.

Making my usual tour to BKK after I scraped Indo plans (after Alexis shutdown, didn't want to risk it. Would've loved 2 spend everyday at Malio but I guess that's for the summer now). Anyways wanted to experience more than just Thai chicks and see if there was anything more.

Thanks for the help in advance.[/QUOTE]There are no such workers in Thai for economic and legal reasons. Economic, no money in going to a lower paying area, just makes no sense. Not legal anyway for foreign sex workers ([url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] sanctions).

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2225178]There are no such workers in Thai for economic and legal reasons. Economic, no money in going to a lower paying area, just makes no sense. Not legal anyway for foreign sex workers[/QUOTE]

It's true that there are very few foreign sex workers in Thailand, but honestly, reasons behind it don't make sense to me.

In Malaysia, the economic and legal situation is no better, yet there are tons of foreign workers PRC / Vietnamese / Indo / Bangladesh. Prostitution is illegal in both places, but in Malaysia the police / immigration raids seem more brutal than in Thailand, with 30-day prison terms instead of just fines and maybe deportation. On the economic side, the price of foreign prostitutes in Malaysia starts at about RM 50 on the low end, only 400 baht per pop -- cheaper than the bottom end in Thailand. On the high end, prices are more or less comparable, about 500 RM or 4000 baht.

One difference is that there's plenty of domestic competition in Thailand, whereas in Malaysia there is very little (almost no domestic prostitutes), so foreign workers are the only source of supply, and there's plenty of demand.

Of course, for Japanese / Koreans, it would rarely make sense to go abroad -- both countries have a large (and expensive) domestic scene.

From Thai friendly. Has her line ID on the site, not sure if I'm allowed to post it or not here. Won't chat unless you are in Thailand. Pics are her, very attractive 26 year old. Bit of a tummy but overall a very good looking girl. Deal is 2000 for massage and sex, 2500 for massage and two shots. She used to do massage and it shows. If you are in need of a cute girl to show up and do a nice massage followers by a nice BJ and sex at a very reasonable price I highly recommend her.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2225264]From Thai friendly. Has her line ID on the site, not sure if I'm allowed to post it or not here. Won't chat unless you are in Thailand. Pics are her, very attractive 26 year old. Bit of a tummy but overall a very good looking girl. Deal is 2000 for massage and sex, 2500 for massage and two shots. She used to do massage and it shows. If you are in need of a cute girl to show up and do a nice massage followers by a nice BJ and sex at a very reasonable price I highly recommend her.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing!

[QUOTE=DropDoos;2224663]...Come to think of it, I don't bother with BKK Go-gos anymore. If I visit a Go-go then that is in Pattaya but with the BF prices going through the roof I haven't been a frequent visitor to the Go-Gos there neither this trip. It seems both in BKK but Pattaya especially they seem to try to counter the reduced business with raising prices in general thus creating a vicious circle. Sorry but not sorry, I ain't going to pay a 1500 baht barfine while a Thaifriendly hookup is about the same price if you don't haggle which I don't for that price. At least the 1500 baht barfine hasn't arrived yet in Bangkok?...[/QUOTE]I feel the same way. When I first started visiting Thailand in 2003, I loved the GoGo bars, because that's where I found the most eye candy. I am one big sucker for eye candy!

Over the years, however, I came to the realization that the GoGo bars are also a money pit. Worse, the value is not there anymore for me. Over the past 5 years or so, it became quite clear to me that this venue had become way overpriced, damn the eye candy. I would still visit the Lord in Bangkok when it was open, but at least I didn't leave an arm and a leg at the club, buying drinks and then paying a barfine. Luckily, I am still able to find eye candy in other mongering venues, and there are plenty in both Bangkok and Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2225291]I feel the same way. When I first started visiting Thailand in 2003, I loved the GoGo bars, because that's where I found the most eye candy. I am one big sucker for eye candy!

Over the years, however, I came to the realization that the GoGo bars are also a money pit. Worse, the value is not there anymore for me. Over the past 5 years or so, it became quite clear to me that this venue had become way overpriced, damn the eye candy. I would still visit the Lord in Bangkok when it was open, but at least I didn't leave an arm and a leg at the club, buying drinks and then paying a barfine. Luckily, I am still able to find eye candy in other mongering venues, and there are plenty in both Bangkok and Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Since this is the Bangkok threat I'll address the process vs what's available in BKK, not Pattaya. Gogo girl in most cases can be had for 2500 and the barfine if you negotiate. Bar girls are now asking 2500 in most cases. So in reality the prices are pretty close. Forget about smooci or using the agency's because you'll never get the girl in the photos to show up at your door and a professional attitude to boot. So in Bangkok I don't find much of a difference in the price. They are high but if you decide to stay in BKK then gogo's are your best option.

Greetings brothers,

I'm curious if any of you know of any bar / lounges in BKK that operate in the same fashion / style as Kinaree and other gentlemen's clubs in Pattaya. That is to say, they're mostly daytime / early evening clubs that have a relaxed atmosphere where you can hang out as long as you want, offer food / drink and have rooms on the premises to enjoy a bit of horizontal refreshment from the freelancers. I did a search on this thread and it came up empty.

Cheers,

FT.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2225264]From Thai friendly. Has her line ID on the site, not sure if I'm allowed to post it or not here. Won't chat unless you are in Thailand. Pics are her, very attractive 26 year old. Bit of a tummy but overall a very good looking girl. Deal is 2000 for massage and sex, 2500 for massage and two shots. She used to do massage and it shows. If you are in need of a cute girl to show up and do a nice massage followers by a nice BJ and sex at a very reasonable price I highly recommend her.[/QUOTE]I have seen a few girls now add zaza to the end of their name, not quite sure what it is supposed to mean yet. Appears her Name maybe NamPheung with just a slightly stranger spelling. (which means Honey). I like the face.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2225264]From Thai friendly. Has her line ID on the site, not sure if I'm allowed to post it or not here. Won't chat unless you are in Thailand. Pics are her, very attractive 26 year old. Bit of a tummy but overall a very good looking girl. Deal is 2000 for massage and sex, 2500 for massage and two shots. She used to do massage and it shows. If you are in need of a cute girl to show up and do a nice massage followers by a nice BJ and sex at a very reasonable price I highly recommend her.[/QUOTE]This forum has a big power over the lives of some girls. I saw her profile 2 weeks ago on TF and I contacted her on her line ID. I might be wrong but I think she wasn't VIP at that time (meaning that we have to buy a premium membership on TF to be able to chat her on TF), and I believe that she became VIP since you posted that report maybe. I think that she might even have changed the things that she says on her profile because seems like she is receiving too many messages. Anyway the funniest thing is that she even gives her line ID on her profile but guys doesn't seem to find it and send her a message on TF instead.

Firstly called into King's Castle 1 (Pat Pong 2). They had a lot of girls, maybe 40 and almost all Coyote types, even a Monday, and 70%+ were quite skinny and also young I would guess. Not many completely ugly girls. It sort of reminded of Bacarra type of line up although very few fake tits, and probably 70% of girls may have had almost no tits under the multi layer bra. All girls over dressed Even for Coyotes. None topless and no G strings. Over all I was slightly underwhelmed after other good reports, but mostly because of my personal taste is for natural but 90% of girls had nose jobs I think, perhaps more. Could see one pretty girl but too much nostrils under the nose showing. I am sure I could find a suitable girl though if I spent time there and ruled out all the nose jobs. The stage lighting was definitely far better than Billboard, so that was a plus. Some girls knew how to dance a little bit like Coyote style, but most did not. So we can call them fake Coyotes.

I did not notice a huge number of the crazy type hairstyles common to Bacarra, so overall definitely much more classy than Bacarra for me only really spoiled by being overdressed and domination of noses that looked glued on (how most nose jobs look to my eye). The were plenty of customers but only one other Farang entered, so very Japanese dominated. I could not rate more than 2 or 3 girls above a 7, some would be 8 if had no nose job, and maybe being nude would allow me to up the score, also, otherwise the figure is somewhat unknown.

Later I tried out Cowboy 2. It also had a lot of girls with a lot more variety of looks, but dominated by Coyotes. Did not find a girl that I could decide was stunning yet again. Some very cute but this time perhaps spoiled by misshaped sillies. Coyotes are 3000 BF plus 3000 to the girl. LOL 2nd class girls with skirts are 800 BF and 3000 to the girl. Never saw if the skirt girls were acceptable looking or not. Seems like all Bargirls are trying for 3000 these days regardless of their quality of looks. I am not that keen to take less than a stunner or super hottie.

I was in there with a girl in tow, and my girl called a coyote over to sit with me, who had fairly good body, but not much ass, and mouth full of wires (Braces). I asked her the prices for BFing the Coyotes, and for some strange reason she chose to lean over and answer to my girl instead of to me directly. I found this behaviour to be very odd, given the question was asked in Thai. Maybe she wanted to whisper it very quietly, like it was a very embarrassing question. I believe most Coyotes in Cowboy2 are available to fuck, but will cost you an arm and a leg. This is not an Arab's bar.

Again most customers were Japanese or similar with only one other Farang spotted.

To be honest, I would prefer to be watching 5 or 6 all naked natural girls with quite good bodies and shave pussy dancing on a well lit stage in 5 Star, despite the bad music there. Selecting from over dressed girls is not quite working for me. Walking in Soi Cowboy there were some stunning bait girls in front of some bars, better than anything I had seen inside the bars. In front of Kiss a definite ladyboy (that is a worry), also one in front of Sahara, one known to work in Crazy Cats, so LBs are starting to spread in the Cowboy. There are bound to be more (not just at Cock'rtoo). I recall 2 or 3 in Deja Vu a few years back.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2225453] Over all I was slightly underwhelmed after other good reports, but mostly because of my personal taste is for natural but 90% of girls had nose jobs I think, perhaps more. Could see one pretty girl but too much nostrils under the nose showing. I am sure I could find a suitable girl though if I spent time there and ruled out all the nose jobs. [/QUOTE]No other monger mentions these hideous nose jobs (as you do) so I'm wondering what to look for? Can you post some before and after pics found on the internet? Not asking for personal shots.

Otherwise, thanks for the pricing info on your recent FR. Patpong sounds pretty good.

I understand we all have our preferences. I don't like girls with man hands. I know of some of Syzy's FKK girls and they have same or similar noses to many of these Thai girls who got nose jobs. Same look is ok on an Euro girl but not a Thai girl? I don't care if they have a nose job or no nose job, eyes done or not done, colored hair or not, white skin or dark skin. If they are hot imo they are hot.

[QUOTE=Fox Two;2225378]I'm curious if any of you know of any bar / lounges in BKK that operate in the same fashion / style as Kinaree and other gentlemen's clubs in Pattaya. That is to say, they're mostly daytime / early evening clubs that have a relaxed atmosphere where you can hang out as long as you want, offer food / drink and have rooms on the premises to enjoy a bit of horizontal refreshment from the freelancers. I did a search on this thread and it came up empty.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately nothing close to the many G clubs available in Pattaya. The closest place I came across is actually an oily massage named Club 102 near the Phrom Phong BTS. It looks similar to a Pattaya G club inside, the girls are all just hanging around, the owner is very nice and you can just sit around until you are ready to select a girl.

Anybody know of where the action is in ton Buri. I am living in talat Phlu.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2225568]I understand we all have our preferences. I don't like girls with man hands. I know of some of Syzy's FKK girls and they have same or similar noses to many of these Thai girls who got nose jobs. Same look is ok on an Euro girl but not a Thai girl? [/QUOTE]No that is not the case. Europeans girl natural nose does not look similar to Thai with a weak nose operation. There do exist good ones, just they don't seem to be common in bargirls, or I simply can't detect the good ones. Plenty of European girls also get rejected if I don't like the nose.

Someone asked for some examples. The first problem is most web pics will be of superior nose jobs, rather than crap ones, however I guess we can find some examples. As a person who got used to the Thai look of 27 years ago, it is sort of strange to see a new look these days that looks unnatural, and therefore slightly alien look to me.

I attach some examples. Maybe most of you will find the girl's noses to be improved. In most cases I prefer the original natural look (perhaps not in every case). So I am freaky. I don't know how many of you would notice the nose jobs on these girls if seeing them in real life after they have been done. However to me they jump out like a beacon. To me possibly all but one looked better before the nose job, ignoring the skin improvements and any other alterations. The NJ5 girl is pretty for me without the nose job. So why do it? The NJ4 girl had a nose problem but the after was not really an improvement for me. Most of these nose jobs stand out as extremely obvious, at least to me. Not very subtle. Aum the movie star included before and after. I actually liked her before look including the smaller tits. So that must make me the freak to like such a natural good look, rather than the highly altered look. The after look has a less feminine face to me. In this case the nose job looks to be a very good one (not noticable), but something else means I still prefer the Before look.

I suppose next assignment is to post some good ones. I may have difficulty finding many BEFORE and AFTER pics where I think the After is really excellent.

If I cannot detect a nose job, then that must be a good one and look very natural. Some models have a superb job and look good. Just that excellent ones are rare.

I had a regular girl at CH with a nose job. It was a very good one and I liked it, no problem. So her nose became longer but did not look weird.

So lets be clear. I just don't like very obvious exaggerated nose jobs that look like they are not really part of the person.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2225581]
I had a regular girl at CH with a nose job.[/QUOTE]Since your only criteria for girls seems to be their nose, I am shocked by this.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2225570]Anybody know of where the action is in ton Buri. I am living in talat Phlu.[/QUOTE]Chao Praya 3 is on Thon side, and I believe there should be others if these places are still open.

IDA is a very good Soapy on other side but not far from Rama 3.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2225585]Since your only criteria for girls seems to be their nose, I am shocked by this.[/QUOTE]Plenty of times I have stated my criteria, and were several and I am fussy and prefer a non surgeries look. Ugly ass, ugly tits, ugly nose, so many things could eliminate the girl. Don't like fat girls and not too much sag. I also don't like severe railway tracks as for many others. In other countries I am not so concerned about nose jobs because there are so few of them.

I don't mind darker skin, I don't mind girls over 30 still in good shape, I don't mind girls with babies if damage if no damage. I like slim legs and a high ass. Tit size not very important if not sag bags, but tit shape is important. Prefer slimmer face (not round). Soft silicone jobs only. Not really into mega piercings. Some tats are O.K.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2225600]In other countries I am not so concerned about nose jobs because there are so few of them.[/QUOTE]Have you been to Indonesia? You won't find many boob jobs, but lots of nose jobs.

I don't like the nose jobs either, but I don't exclude any girls who have one if they have a killer body or great personality.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2225602]Have you been to Indonesia? You won't find many boob jobs, but lots of nose jobs.

I don't like the nose jobs either, but I don't exclude any girls who have one if they have a killer body or great personality.[/QUOTE]No have not been there. I would probably appreciate the lack of boob jobs. I like very soft. I have had a girl from Jakarta (quite a few repeats) in the past in my home country who was absolutely stunning. Face 9 and body 10. She probably got deported back home after she left her fianc. I never would have been bored with her. Her sexy naked dancing was a delight too. She could have worked at CH and been No.1 girl easily. I have not had a lot of Thai girls that looked as good.

I don't really look any further at girls if I don't like the face, or the expression on the face (I guess that implies not so good personality). I know however many mongers will see a young girl with a great body, and say she is hot or even pretty, where the face is really quite ordinary. With many bargirls trying to get 3K these days, I won't bother unless the girl is rather special looking to me. I guess the best ones probably don't need to drop their price to get customers. I don't absolutely exclude nose jobs, as I took Oom at CH tall light skin small tits, and model body, and face very cute for me, yet she was not that popular (maybe too slim for some). Years ago took Yok at Tulip with a nose job. Possibly some others. Girl in CanCam massage May? I also don't exclude tit jobs in all cases, but still don't choose them often. Have to be a good job, and nice to touch.

Is it too much to ask for a girl to have a nice cute face and a good body as well? Perhaps so, as getting hard to find in the P4 P area. I get so fussy or wary that I just fail to try any new girls that have not known for quite a while. Have not tried a girl just met for months. Last one probably was not in Thailand. It is a sign of mongering imperative declining severely. I did see one girl in 5 star that I mean to try another day. Good body, face cute enough, and attitude looked very playful indeed, plus she was completely naked on a well lit stage, so no surprises about the body. Tits could have been a bit bigger but were natural. Ass looked magnificent. Probably would have taken her except someone else BFed her fairly quickly.

My girl selection has to out class my GF for looks who is still hot at 38. Otherwise why pay good money? I could just go to the BJ shop to get the rocks off if anything will do or want a bargain. Actually I must say I enjoyed my last Kasalong girl who was not ugly and a good fuck, but that was a few months ago. Also was a few months since tried Bo at Mango who seems to be gone these days. Do any hot new girls actually last long?

[QUOTE=Breadman;2225264]From Thai friendly. Has her line ID on the site, not sure if I'm allowed to post it or not here. Won't chat unless you are in Thailand. Pics are her, very attractive 26 year old. Bit of a tummy but overall a very good looking girl. Deal is 2000 for massage and sex, 2500 for massage and two shots. She used to do massage and it shows. If you are in need of a cute girl to show up and do a nice massage followers by a nice BJ and sex at a very reasonable price I highly recommend her.[/QUOTE]I've had her. She used a different name though. Or, rather, I've "booked" her as you did, through ThaiFriendly. About a month ago. She is notably older, heavier and thicker than her pics but not too objectionably so. Those pics are probably 5-6 years old, imo. Had a baby.

In our pre-booking discussion, BBFS was a no go and I told her that was fine if she would agree to BBBJ+CIM. She did agree to it, "no problem". 2000 (as I recall) for a leisurely, no hurry ST. Nicely shaved pussy. Said she likes and is fine with DATY. Fairly fluent in English.

She was pleasant on arrival, even early as I recall. She went on and on about how we could get together every now and then to go jogging at the nearby park, which is something we had in common anyway. But when we got down to it she still pulled out a condom and set it next to us. I asked why since we were only doing DATY and BBBJ+CIM. No answer, just a smile. She seemed to be rather indifferent to DATY. Mine at least. Ok. Then on to the BBBJ+CIM.

"no problem" turned into a big problem. It was obvious from her utter resistance to follow simple instructions like "please go slower" and her tendency to pull away too often that she had no intention of finishing a blowjob in any way. She even started to do the thing where she would stop to wipe her mouth dry every 1-2 strokes. I put a stop to it and told her it was clear she hadn't told me the truth about giving a BBBJ+CIM. Told her I would give her 1,000 for her time and what we had done together (She got naked, we showered together, there was some uneventful DATY and she did at least put my dick in her mouth for a few minutes) and walked her out the door of my building.

If you are great with condoms then she might be ok for basic lick around the edges, cap on and proceed until finished fare. But I would not expect anything else of an erotic nature. Then again, YMMV and it sounds like your experience, Breadman, was much better than mine.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2225452]This forum has a big power over the lives of some girls. I saw her profile 2 weeks ago on TF and I contacted her on her line ID. I might be wrong but I think she wasn't VIP at that time (meaning that we have to buy a premium membership on TF to be able to chat her on TF), and I believe that she became VIP since you posted that report maybe. I think that she might even have changed the things that she says on her profile because seems like she is receiving too many messages. Anyway the funniest thing is that she even gives her line ID on her profile but guys doesn't seem to find it and send her a message on TF instead.[/QUOTE]If they catch a Line ID on your visible profile, ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid will delete it. The Line ID, that is. I don't think I first chatted with her via her Line ID, I got that from her after we chatted a bit on ThaiFriendly. Maybe the ID had been deleted by then. She didn't seem to be all that busy or booked up when I first chatted with her. As I recall, she was up for whatever time and whatever night I was free to meet her. I even put her off for a day or two and then got back to her to book her kind of spur of the moment. Then she arrived at my front door 30 minutes earlier than the 9PM or whatever time. I wasn't even there yet and she Lined me to ask where I was. She was outside my building, sitting on my front stoop waiting for me when I arrived.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2225568]Unfortunately nothing close to the many G clubs available in Pattaya. The closest place I came across is actually an oily massage named Club 102 near the Phrom Phong BTS. It looks similar to a Pattaya G club inside, the girls are all just hanging around, the owner is very nice and you can just sit around until you are ready to select a girl.[/QUOTE]Yes, thanks. I've been to Club 102. It's a nice setting, kinda like the style of the painter's pubs on Soi 33 back in the day. The french owner / manager is pleasant enough. They operate the same as the other MPs in that location though. The girls all line up and you're asked to make a selection then and there. No idle chit chat or time to grab a drink and relax. Oh well, I guess I'll have to do some more exploring.

Cheers,

FT.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2225581]Someone asked for some examples.[/QUOTE]The name is Socker and unlike you I'm not anal retentive about the noses of women. It's a good thing.

They either look good or they don't. Okay enjoy yourself.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2225291]Over the years, however, I came to the realization that the GoGo bars are also a money pit. Worse, the value is not there anymore for me. Over the past 5 years or so, it became quite clear to me that this venue had become way overpriced, damn the eye candy. I would still visit the Lord in Bangkok when it was open, but at least I didn't leave an arm and a leg at the club, buying drinks and then paying a barfine. [/QUOTE]Getting a top looking girl at The Lord could cost you 5400 baht, just a wild example, some cost more. I rarely wanted the cheaper category girls. You have not seen her body properly so could be disappointing. You could find her very restrictive in the room, like no kissing for starters. That was my experience. Just not fun for me.

You could get a hot bargirl for less that that if you did not get sucked into over spending on drinks. You might have seen her body completely, or scantily clad. You might have mucked around with her in the bar and got some nice tongue kissing. My Shark bargirls are nice kissers, even in the bar.

Can I get just as good at a lower price in an Oily MP? Yes, but it is so hard to find any pretty girls in the oilies. All rather average or below, with a rare exception. Okay I found one pretty faced slim girl face 8 points plus, who speaks zero English, so thankfully she is a lot cheaper, but they don't grow on trees, and she seems to work sporadically, training for some other profession. They also seem to disappear before long. Which stunner or close in an Oily ever lasted beyond one year? A few months if you are lucky.

Yes I agree that most bargirls are overpriced and a rip off, but just a few are good looking enough to be worth it, and I can't find the better alternative. I tried Thermae, and usually found it to be unsatisfactory one way or another. Did not get what I wanted. Yet it was cheaper. Street girls were a lot cheaper, but did I find a super stunner, absolutely fun, with a hot body. No. Dream on. I have one regular girl who is great and cheaper than a bar girl, but not easy to find. Looking around the bars is the easier way to find what you want.

I looked in Club 102, but did not find my spec there. Nothing really pretty to my taste. All a bit too ordinary, but above average (mostly). Keep trying and be patient is all I can do. The most beautiful 2 girls I saw anywhere in last 10 days was the Thai Smile airline staff, one at check in was fabulously cute / lovely, and another at the gate was pretty good, for my personal spec. Totally out of my league for sure, but I would be willing to pay. The next most appealing girl I saw, and thought I want to try her, was dancing naked in 5 Star. Probably the very ancient natural exotic Thai look.

Do I buy the cheapest coffee in the supermarket. Nah, I want some quality. Won't even consider it if not 100% Arabica. Blends dominated by Robusta taste like iron filings. Prefer to import coffee in my suitcase. LOL

Only one payed off, with the other one of my girls did a ringer, luckily there was no bar fine for her. And in that situation the remaining girl did a 12 hour short time so it payed off in the end. The successful bareback threesome was unexpected, too my gogo girl on her off day to her bar for a drink and one of her friends jumped in my lap and things just worked out. I've had decent success getting bareback from gogo girls especially if my one girl mentions it to her friends. That's usually how I do it, once you find one who does it have them introduce you to their friends.

Getting bareback. I never ask for it ahead of time, it's always in the moment. Get the girl super excited, easy her out then have her grind her pussy on your dick, if she lets you pull her up to the tip and does the rubbing without needing your guidance and opens her legs when you push her back onto the bed then I'll make the move. 8 out of 10 girls who will grind the tip of the dick will so bareback. Slow season, lack of money and being paid after sex might also encourage the legs to stay open.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2226131]
Do I buy the cheapest coffee in the supermarket. Nah, I want some quality. Won't even consider it if not 100% Arabica. Blends dominated by Robusta taste like iron filings. Prefer to import coffee in my suitcase. LOL[/QUOTE]I tried the Nescafe Red Cup label in Thailand and was surprised how good it was. Much better than any American instant coffee like Tasters Choice, Folgers or Sanka. Closest taste is the Starbucks instant. When in Bangkok, I go to the Big C and pick up a bunch for myself and my office. They also make a line of lattes and cappuccinos that are really good, too. My female coworkers love it.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2226266]I tried the Nescafe Red Cup label in Thailand and was surprised how good it was. Much better than any American instant coffee like Tasters Choice, Folgers or Sanka. Closest taste is the Starbucks instant. When in Bangkok, I go to the Big C and pick up a bunch for myself and my office. They also make a line of lattes and cappuccinos that are really good, too. My female coworkers love it.[/QUOTE]Nescafe Gold label freeze dried was my favourite (when it was 100% Arabica. But no longer is) if had to resort to Instant. You are right most instant brands are really shitty. Being used to good quality non instant, I can't really stand Red Cup any more, and cannot tolerate the Thai 3 in one mixes, since I don't take sugar and non dairy whitener is just a chemical to me. Would rather drink water or milk.

I agree that Nescafe is not the worst Instant brand going around, but depends what you get used to. My parents used International Roast and I did not like it. Maxwell House was appalling when I tried it at a young age, as was Bushells (just dish water). I recall Pablo as a super cheap bulk Instant coffee in my youth. Red Cup contains a lot of Robusta so is a relative cheapy. My mother uses cheap ground coffee as well (can't recall the Brand right now) and I don't like it. All my relatives seem to brew coffee far too weak for me anyway.

The best quality Instant coffees are so expensive now that there is little point to it. I think of Nescafe Alta Rica (100% Arabica freeze dried). Miles nicer than Red Cup, relatively (and the price is accordingly a lot higher). In Europe can pick up a good quality ground coffee for a very good price, so I stock up. Even when on the road, I still want a good coffee.

How? I carry a very small electric jug in my suitcase, also a plastic filter paper holder, filter papers, a slim thermos to capture the coffee, and an easily sealable plastic container that holds up to 500 gm of ground coffee. So I can make fairly good drip filter coffee, where quality mostly depends on the quality of the coffee grounds. Maybe a bit weird but suits to coffee addicts. A good cup of coffee is so cheap in Italy, that don't need to make your own, but useful for remote locations. While in Italy can stock up on the Lavazza or which ever brand looks good value at the time. Even Illy is cheap in Italy (not my favourite) where costs a fortune in Tops supermarket here. I don't have a coffee grinder in suitcase LOL so have to but ground coffee.

American brands are really puzzling to non USA People. Like Uncle Ben's Kentucky special blend (I probably remembered the name wrong), etc. We have no clue if will be any good or terrible. Judging from buying terrible bread in USA supermarkets (not realising that they make most of them sweet), strange coffee brands could be a risk. You have to know what you are doing to shop in USA. LOL.

I tried several Thai 100% Arabica coffees from the mountains of the north. Did not really find anything quite competes with a good Italian coffee brand. Tesco seemed to have some reasonable priced ground coffees from South America that were good. If they had a special like half price, I would stock up on say Guatemalan No. 4. I think normal price was 189 Baht which is at least double European price, maybe 3 times. Some very cheap acceptable brands of 100% Arabica in Europe were Caf Hag, Caf Maccinato, Dallmayr, Tschibo, etc.

Makro in Thailand has very few brands of 100% Arabica coffee, other than in beans (non ground). It maybe that Thais just won't spend the price of 100% Arabica, and the Thai quality is not that special anyway. Bon Caf is a common brand in Thai Supermarkets (Farang oriented), but very few varieties are 100% Arabica.

I once heard that Chatuchak (Jatujak) market had a coffee shop with good quality good price. I never found the shop. Can anyone confirm? Hard to get good prices in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2226149]Only one payed off, with the other one of my girls did a ringer, luckily there was no bar fine for her. [/QUOTE]I don't know meaning of doing a "ringer".

Perhaps the auto speller got you and was supposed to be "doing a runner?" Auto corrector (masher) is a really bad forum feature. Perhaps "payed off" should be "paid off" but that was not altered. LOL It only seems to alter things that should not be altered. Many times I typed "not" and forum software removed the "not". So annoying.

That is chief reason not to pay in advance for fear of girls doing a runner, which certainly is not unheard of. If girl tries to leave too soon we can always adjust the price.
I don't think we can ever expect more than a ST for a first time threesome, and is risky that girls could be crap anyway.

Two chances, are normally "Buckley's and None". LOL. Not in this case.

Totally agree 32 is overrated purely from looks! I saw her maybe a month back or so and was underwhelmed.

Monkey paw. Off the top do your head, who are your current top 5 girls in BKK?

I've been trying to trackdown 827 at billabong, 239 at Baccara, 26 yrs old anal & bam at Thermal but to no avail.

Cheers.

You have probably tried this, but I found Doi Chang's quality to be pretty good and brought some back to the USA last year. You can get full bean bags from their shop in Ekkamai.

Also another good option, at least last year, was the tourism festival in lumphini in January. Last year they had at least a dozen different suppliers from northern thailand in the north thailand section. It would be a good opportunity to taste a bunch of different suppliers and stock up on what you like.

As long as we are on the topic that toursim festival can be a fun daytime activity solo or with a girl if you find yourself there in January. I have been 3/4 times with one of my regulars and is a good way to try lots of food from different parts of thailand, do some light shopping, and hear some musical acts.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2226597]
I tried several Thai 100% Arabica coffees from the mountains of the north. Did not really find anything quite competes with a good Italian coffee brand. Tesco seemed to have some reasonable priced ground coffees from South America that were good. If they had a special like half price, I would stock up on say Guatemalan No. 4. I think normal price was 189 Baht which is at least double European price, maybe 3 times. Some very cheap acceptable brands of 100% Arabica in Europe were Caf Hag, Caf Maccinato, Dallmayr, Tschibo, etc.

Makro in Thailand has very few brands of 100% Arabica coffee, other than in beans (non ground). It maybe that Thais just won't spend the price of 100% Arabica, and the Thai quality is not that special anyway. Bon Caf is a common brand in Thai Supermarkets (Farang oriented), but very few varieties are 100% Arabica.

I once heard that Chatuchak (Jatujak) market had a coffee shop with good quality good price. I never found the shop. Can anyone confirm? Hard to get good prices in Thailand.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2226607]
Two chances, are normally "Buckley's and None". LOL. Not in this case.[/QUOTE]In case there are "non-Aussies" reading your post, your reference to "Buckley's and None" has its origin as an Australian slang term "Buckley's chance" (meaning "little or no possibility" or "no chance at all" We often say "You've got Buckley's chance" which is actually rhyming slang as "Buckley and Nunn" (meaning "None").
It's also used as a pun (as Syz used it): "You've two chances: Buckley's and none".

It refers to a former Aussie Department Store called "Buckley's and Nunn".

[QUOTE=Lanick;2226818]Totally agree 32 is overrated purely from looks! I saw her maybe a month back or so and was underwhelmed.

Monkey paw. Off the top do your head, who are your current top 5 girls in BKK?

I've been trying to trackdown 827 at billabong, 239 at Baccara, 26 yrs old anal & bam at Thermal but to no avail.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]You actually went in to Thermae and searched for a specific girl? That's like really super hit or miss. Girls at Thermae have the most freedom of all venues to work whenever they want to and not easy to track down. Anyways, last time I was in BKK a couple of weeks ago 239 and 827 were not there either. It's low season and unless, they are from BKK, they are probably home. So with regards to top overall #1 girl at the Go Go Bar. Drum roll please. #246 at Baccara Soi Cowboy. She's stands 5'4 with heels about 100 lbs, lovely face, and fake tits. She should be there now, was when I went, and works from 8 pm and is usually gone by 10 pm. Warning: She is a fucking PRO when it comes to the Go Go scene. She will eat most guys lunches without asking. Meaning, she is the type that you can buy her a drink and she will only come sit with you because she doesn't want to dance and is waiting on somebody else. You say something wrong, touch her, and she will just get up and leave. You don't want to pay her upfront, she will get up and leave. Honestly, I don't even remember the things I had to do or say to get a nice experience from her. But it was a lot of work. All I remember was I was staying at Radisson Blu, a 5 Star only 2 minutes walk from Soi Cowboy, and she insisted on taking a taxi and I had to pay 100 baht to those taxi scammers next to Baccara. However, I punished that small super wet pussy of hers as punishment. I have a feeling she is the more dominant type and controls most guys. Not my style, but if guys get into worshiping her body or licking her ass and feet. Go for it! Anybody who has seen her agree with what I said? Just curious.

P.S: Go back and look at my Bangkok posts. I've listed numbers for the girls and clubs. I would group most as cute or nice looking. Number #12 at Rainbow 4 would be my 2nd choice for best looking. She enjoys on top and can do it for like an hour!

Just spent 2 weeks in Bangkok. Although I had to work during the day and entertain a friend of a friend for a couple of days I managed to get out on 6 nights. Which is more than I normally do. I visit Bangkok probably 4 times a year on work but usually only get out ever third night or so, so this was an improved effort for me.

My usual haunt is Billboards and went there a couple of times with ok results although I did note that the talent is slightly less there at the moment as the rainy nights of the monsoon season does seem to be light on with ladies and customers. Some Monday to Wednesday nights are really dead.

I also went to Kings Castle in Pat Pong 2 nights and was very impressed with the talent, ended up grabbing the same girl twice. She was OK but by the second time I was kind of done.

I also did a big tour basically up and down Suk exploring virtually every soi and oily / massage / soapie in the area. I wasn't really impressed with any of them as most places have 40+ year old ladies and the ones with cute chick tend to wear a lot of clothes which can hide a lot of baby scars etc which is a big issue for me. I really miss Annies Massage as all the girls wore bikinis and always had a good time there – fast food at its best.

On the last night I planned to explore more of Nana plaza. Sometimes the best laid plans don't always work out as I got tied up with little niggling things to do and couldn't get out until about 9. 45. At Nana I have found if you are not there by say 8. 45 you will find a lot of the best girls are already gone.

Anyway. First stop was Twisters. Heaps of girls around but the best seemed to have already been picked over. There were about 3 or 4 cute girls still there but already in the process of being taking out and over the next 30 minutes slowly left with mostly middle aged Japanese dudes. At this point I was kind of resigned to just having a night with aa few beers and that is about it.

Next stop at about 10.30 was Angel Witch. When I got there the place looked like a ghost town, completely picked clean and only a handful of girls. There were probably a dozen or so guys just drinking but that was that. I didn't have a beer and headed up to Butterflies.

Hit butterflies at about 10.45. There were heaps of girls still there, probably 30 or even more, a few even looked pretty nice but upon closer inspection I noticed more baby damage than I would have liked. Had probably 3 beers and at this stage had completely resigned myself to just having a few more drinks to keep the buzz going and then heading home.

Last stop was Spankys. I have been here before and find it a bit of a freak show with waitresses constantly beating you with the foam baton things and some guys doing silly shit like jumping up on the stage etc. So as I walk in a and cop a few spanks on the ass and as I was prepared for it didn't really react. However this must have pissed off one of the waitresses so next thing I feel is a foamy to the back of the head which did get a WTF reaction from me. The hits don't hurt at all but do make a decent noise, so when you cop one to the back of the head that you are not expecting it does make you jump a bit. The waitress did find it hilarious, me not so much but play along with a bit of a smile.

As I walk in it is about 11.30 and basically packed. The stage is at you right away and you can either sit to the left or the right. I see a chic that can really dance shaking her thing, not that common in Bangkok but this chic can really bounce her ass up on a pole – she looks Latina. She is fit, young and cute – with no baby damage. I note that in the memory bank and then head to the right of the stage and grab one of the only spots on the second tier, kind of buried a little but what are you going to do.

As I settle in I notice that the dancing Latina chic goes and stands on the left side, the opposite side to me and has a few shots with some middle aged Japanese dude. Kind of expected that she was already taken as this has been the story of the night. I have a few beers and the buzz is definitely getting there as the night hits the morning. The place closes at 3 am, so still plenty of time to watch the freaks.

This slightly older dude near me is kind if plastered but having a bit of fun with the girls and seems to be a regular. He even gets up on the stage for a few seconds. I see a spot open up on the first tier right in front of the stage and grab it. He has a bit of a chat with me as he is exiting the stage and sits another couple of places down.

After about 45 minutes the Japanese dude with the Latina looking chic that I have been keeping an eye on leaves, alone. Didn't really expect that but then she disappears back stage and I lose her again for a few minutes. She comes back out in a silver dress and goes sweeping past me but does notice me looking at her with a big smile, she responds with a super friendly smile and a big wave but doesn't break stride. She stands at or outside the entrance for a while and grabs guys as they are going past to get them to enter. I am thinking she is not available or something, maybe works just for the club like a waitress / hostess, wasn't quite sure.

At this moment the older dude which I have been chatting to for a while is back on stage, the girls have his pants half down and he simulating licking their pussies. The really cute young waitress to my left starts laughing as she grabs my shoulder to see more and we start chatting a bit about which one of the 2 girls on stage is the hottest. I go up and slip 100 baht into both there G strings, the old dude is like "where is my tip" 555.

Every sits down and then the really hot Latina dancing chic I have trying to speak to is out of her dress and back up on the stage right in front of. I give her a big smile again and she smiles back and bounces her fine ass back at me – fuck can she really dance. I was going to get up and tip her just so she would come over but realise that I have no small notes left. Anyway, she gets back down from the stage and heads out the back again and disappears for like 15 minutes.

More debauchee occurs with another guy getting up on stage and the girls wresting with his pants until they are around his ankles. Everyone thinks it is hilarious and I am thinking damn the waitress near me is supper cute. She is the young one in cut off jeans that just cover her ass, she is noticeable by having a big over bite on her lower jaw, but smoking hot body and very cute.

So I have now been in here about 1 ½ hours and finally the dancing Latina chick comes past and starts chatting to the young cute waitress right in front of me but about 6 feet apart. I start waving to her and she smiles and then I signal for her to come over. She literally looks to her left and then right as if to say "me'. I am like doing pulling motions now with both hands while looking at her with a big smile. She comes bouncing over and slides right up next to me with a big hug and glues herself to my side. The waitress is right on cue as she sits down " drink for her?" . I am thinking fuck that is quick but WTF, do it. I even briefly think, these girls know each other maybe they would be up for a three some because they are both fucking cute but I am a mere mortal, that would need the talent of someone with much greater powers than me.

Back to reality, her English is really good and we have a few drinks over an hour, she ends up doing another show and when comes back literally sits on me rather than the chair all the while bouncing and grinding her fine ass on my dick. About 2. 30 she turns to me and says " do you know how this works?" , of course I do but say to her "please tell me how this works" . She says barfine is 700 and 3000 for her, basically 1 shot. At this point my guard is completely down because she has been super cool and fun so I pay the tab which was around 2500, we stay another 30 minutes to closing and then walk to the Landmark where I am staying, maybe 500 yards from Nana Plaza. Luckily it was one of the few nights which wasn't raining, this is the monsoon season. We walk hand in hand, she is laughing and really in no hurry. When we get back to the Hotel we walk through the lobby with no need to check her in, the whole hotel is very very girl friendly, you constantly see them up and down the elevators 24/7. When we enter the room her clothes are literally right off and we head to the shower.

We start fooling around and are both pretty drunk. Turns out she is really drunk, the Japanese dude bought her 10 shots apparently and she runs back into the bathroom and starts throwing up. She spends the next 30 minutes going back and forth but never loses her sense of humour and we are still laughing to the point of tears at times at the situation. She comes out 1 last time and then essentially just lays on top of me and goes to sleep. I have zero interest in LT normally as I have shit to do in the morning with work / gym etc adding to this we hadn't banged at this stage but strangely I just went with the flow. As I said she had just been super cool to this point and it was kind of nice to sleep with her banging ass never too far away, she was always rolling into me during the night and snuggling up to the warmth.

We both woke up at about 10 am and she just lay on top of me or next to me chatting for a few hours. I actually learned a lot about Thailand, stuff I would never come across. Meanwhile she was always playing with my dick and I ended up getting 2 good shots away and an aborted attempt on a 3rd. As I said she was just super cool and was really in no hurry to leave. She says she knows lots of people in Bangkok but has few close friends and I assumed lived in one of those shitty temp type apartments close to Suk Road. I guess she is kind of lonely. She ended up leaving at 2, probably only because I had to check out at 3 pm (I arranged late check out) so it gave me enough time to get my shit together and get out.

As I said I don't really do Long Time so wasn't exactly sure how much to pay her as we had only agreed on ST 3000. I really had no idea so just pulled out 5000 and watched her while I handed it to her. Again, she was just super cool and pretty happy, gave me a big hug and left her phone number and email.

Sometimes I just don't understand how Thailand can be so dysfunctional!

Just tried asking Analisa Nana if I can book Coy and they said there's not such a lady!

Monkey Paw, which website did you get Coy's profile picture from? I want to send them the link to remind them of Coy (or go to the alternative shops to bone her!

Let's grab a beer should you be in BKK next week!

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2220158]My first day in Bangkok, I was browsing WeChat and ran across Analisa Nana Massage. I am staying on Sukhumvit 7/1 so it was a very near my hotel, close to Loleetas and the other BJ bar. I was intrigued with their offer for fetish play at just 2000 baht. I like kink, so decided to pay them a visit. When I arrived, I was shown the line up available. None of the girls were my type. I was about to leave when mamasan offered me a girl from another location. Her name was Coy. I was shown photos of her and I agreed to meet her. I was offered some water and waited for about 20 minutes. When she arrived, she was sexy as fuck! Coy was about 5'3" with a petite body and nice big tits. Mamasan told me she is a special request girl and has to be asked for because she rotates location. I paid the 2000 plus and extra 1000 to take her to my room nearby. If the deed was done there, it would have only cost 2000 baht. In my room she stripped down to some kind of tight leather wear with ropes tied all over her body, similar to the girls at Angel Witch. She gave a stellar PSE performance that ended in CIM and COF. She was a three holes type of girl and gave up that asshole. It was sexy to watch her actually ride the hell out my dick with her ass, while playing with her pussy. Although she worked for Analisa Nana, there was no massage involved. Just sucking and fucking her puss and ass for an hour or so. After we were done, I asked if she worked everyday and she told me she is normally available after 5 pm, but has to be requested because she is busy. Below are some snap shots of their WeChat profile with girls. I managed to snap a pic of that wonderful ass of hers that was able to take a long pounding without complaint. Nice PSE experience for only 3,000 total.[/QUOTE]

Yes, a needle in the hay stack! And a fail!

Was in Bacca a month back or so and saw a stunning lady #281. Shame it was on my last night and she was pre-occupied by some other dude. She's great on stage, with sexy moves. Hopefully will be able to meet her next time and report back!

M

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2226874]You actually went in to Thermae and searched for a specific girl? That's like really super hit or miss. Girls at Thermae have the most freedom of all venues to work whenever they want to and not easy to track down. Anyways, last time I was in BKK a couple of weeks ago 239 and 827 were not there either. It's low season and unless, they are from BKK, they are probably home. So with regards to top overall #1 girl at the Go Go Bar. Drum roll please. #246 at Baccara Soi Cowboy. She's stands 5'4 with heels about 100 lbs, lovely face, and fake tits. She should be there now, was when I went, and works from 8 pm and is usually gone by 10 pm. Warning: She is a fucking PRO when it comes to the Go Go scene. She will eat most guys lunches without asking. Meaning, she is the type that you can buy her a drink and she will only come sit with you because she doesn't want to dance and is waiting on somebody else. You say something wrong, touch her, and she will just get up and leave. You don't want to pay her upfront, she will get up and leave. Honestly, I don't even remember the things I had to do or say to get a nice experience from her. But it was a lot of work. All I remember was I was staying at Radisson Blu, a 5 Star only 2 minutes walk from Soi Cowboy, and she insisted on taking a taxi and I had to pay 100 baht to those taxi scammers next to Baccara. However, I punished that small super wet pussy of hers as punishment.[/QUOTE]

[URL]http://bangkokpassionmassage.com/masseuses/[/URL]

Had a really great session with Smile at Passion. Can't remember the exact price but should be around 3 k for 2 hrs. Smile is super sweet, short but with a good figure. Super GFE type of girl.

Had a separate overnight session in the hotel and she gave me some money back saying I paid her too much! But I did not over pay.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2226597]Nescafe Gold label freeze dried was my favourite (when it was 100% Arabica. But no longer is) if had to resort to Instant. You are right most instant brands are really shitty. Being used to good quality non instant, I can't really stand Red Cup any more, and cannot tolerate the Thai 3 in one mixes, since I don't take sugar and non dairy whitener is just a chemical to me. Would rather drink water or milk.

I agree that Nescafe is not the worst Instant brand going around, but depends what you get used to. My parents used International Roast and I did not like it. Maxwell House was appalling when I tried it at a young age, as was Bushells (just dish water). I recall Pablo as a super cheap bulk Instant coffee in my youth. Red Cup contains a lot of Robusta so is a relative cheapy. My mother uses cheap ground coffee as well (can't recall the Brand right now) and I don't like it. All my relatives seem to brew coffee far too weak for me anyway.

The best quality Instant coffees are so expensive now that there is little point to it. I think of Nescafe Alta Rica (100% Arabica freeze dried). Miles nicer than Red Cup, relatively (and the price is accordingly a lot higher). In Europe can pick up a good quality ground coffee for a very good price, so I stock up. Even when on the road, I still want a good coffee.

How? I carry a very small electric jug in my suitcase, also a plastic filter paper holder, filter papers, a slim thermos to capture the coffee, and an easily sealable plastic container that holds up to 500 gm of ground coffee. So I can make fairly good drip filter coffee, where quality mostly depends on the quality of the coffee grounds. Maybe a bit weird but suits to coffee addicts. A good cup of coffee is so cheap in Italy, that don't need to make your own, but useful for remote locations. While in Italy can stock up on the Lavazza or which ever brand looks good value at the time. Even Illy is cheap in Italy (not my favourite) where costs a fortune in Tops supermarket here. I don't have a coffee grinder in suitcase LOL so have to but ground coffee.

American brands are really puzzling to non USA People. Like Uncle Ben's Kentucky special blend (I probably remembered the name wrong), etc. We have no clue if will be any good or terrible. Judging from buying terrible bread in USA supermarkets (not realising that they make most of them sweet), strange coffee brands could be a risk. You have to know what you are doing to shop in USA. LOL.

I tried several Thai 100% Arabica coffees from the mountains of the north. Did not really find anything quite competes with a good Italian coffee brand. Tesco seemed to have some reasonable priced ground coffees from South America that were good. If they had a special like half price, I would stock up on say Guatemalan No. 4. I think normal price was 189 Baht which is at least double European price, maybe 3 times. Some very cheap acceptable brands of 100% Arabica in Europe were Caf Hag, Caf Maccinato, Dallmayr, Tschibo, etc.

Makro in Thailand has very few brands of 100% Arabica coffee, other than in beans (non ground). It maybe that Thais just won't spend the price of 100% Arabica, and the Thai quality is not that special anyway. Bon Caf is a common brand in Thai Supermarkets (Farang oriented), but very few varieties are 100% Arabica.

I once heard that Chatuchak (Jatujak) market had a coffee shop with good quality good price. I never found the shop. Can anyone confirm? Hard to get good prices in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Try the 100% Arabica whole bean coffee from the Royal Project of Thailand shop located at the farmers market across from Chatuchak. It is 300 baht for 500 grams and is dark roasted with a light sheen from the oil. I have found the quality and consistency of the roast to be very consistent and have been buying it there for over 6 years. They have a small coffee shop on the premises that uses the Royal Project coffee so you can get a taste before you buy.

Had to go down to Nana yesterday at about 1 pm. Even in the afternoon it reminds me of why I don't go down there. Buzzed pass Kasalong and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, no talent what's over. I was ready to hand out dog biscuits.

There were some freelancers out and Hillary etc had more girls than punters, but it was too early for the punters anyway.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2227235]Had to go down to Nana yesterday at about 1 pm. Even in the afternoon it reminds me of why I don't go down there. Buzzed pass Kasalong and Lollytas, no talent what's over. I was ready to hand out dog biscuits.

There were some freelancers out and Hillary etc had more girls than punters, but it was too early for the punters anyway.[/QUOTE]In former times, Morning Night and Stumble Inn has some doable girls, not sure I saw great talent recently though. I do see Expats love to hang out in pool / snooker bars in daytime, and get fat from beer and French fries.

Thermae was packed tonight, about 50 % we're doable to me. The girls were smiling at me left and right, unfortunately I was a bit intoxicated so decided just to bag it.

There was nothing worthwhile at Crazy House.

[QUOTE=Lanick;2226953][URL]http://bangkokpassionmassage.com/masseuses/[/URL]

Had a really great session with Smile at Passion. Can't remember the exact price but should be around 3 k for 2 hrs. Smile is super sweet, short but with a good figure. Super GFE type of girl.

Had a separate overnight session in the hotel and she gave me some money back saying I paid her too much! But I did not over pay.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the link and report Lanick. Smile looks good. I also liked the pics of Alice (almost looks like a Latina) and Fern (traditional Thai look IMHO). I find I'm attracted to girls that are a little taller and older.

[QUOTE=Soroche;2227008]Try the 100% Arabica whole bean coffee from the Royal Project of Thailand shop located at the farmers market across from Chatuchak. It is 300 baht for 500 grams and is dark roasted with a light sheen from the oil. I have found the quality and consistency of the roast to be very consistent and have been buying it there for over 6 years. They have a small coffee shop on the premises that uses the Royal Project coffee so you can get a taste before you buy.[/QUOTE]I noticed that Nescafe Red Cup has different countries of origin. The only one I will buy is the Thai version. I have seen versions from Indonesia and heard of others made in other SE Asian countries. I think Nescafe produces Red Cup label to placate the governments who want to make sure that their countries' coffee industry are not over run by cheap crap coffee.

[QUOTE=Allover;2227570]Thanks for the link and report Lanick. Smile looks good. I also liked the pics of Alice (almost looks like a Latina) and Fern (traditional Thai look IMHO). I find I'm attracted to girls that are a little taller and older.[/QUOTE]My pleasure. The shop is also pretty clean and spacious.

Ploy and Irin look pretty nice too. Trouble is, looks never equate to chemistry and the latter for me is key to great sex.

Hope you have a good session with Alice And Fern. Smile's pictures are actually 95% accurate!!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Lanick;2227644] Trouble is, looks never equate to chemistry and the latter for me is key to great sex..[/QUOTE]Oops typo. I meant looks alone never equate to chemistry! My apologies.

[QUOTE=Allover;2227570]Thanks for the link and report Lanick. Smile looks good. I also liked the pics of Alice (almost looks like a Latina) and Fern (traditional Thai look IMHO). I find I'm attracted to girls that are a little taller and older.[/QUOTE]I like those looks too. Also Jasmine and Eva on first pic. Beware the photo shopping. The real looks might be significantly different.

Looking at other pics for Jasmine and Eva, they varied a lot and I quickly changed my mind. Many girls are made to look slimmer than reality.

At least Smile's pics were more consistent.

I once tried Maya that someone else recommended. Her looks were barely a pass for fussy me and session was not good at all. So the pics lied a lot. We just didn't gel I guess. She was a bit old and deteriorated. I have nothing against age but need good condition. Also need a sweeter girl and wasn't slim enough. Serves me right. I don't think I ever got a useful girl recommendation on the forum. Can't recall even one where I did not try of my own accord. Occasionally happened to hit a common popular girl like Yok (Tulip) or June (Snow White) but I had chosen them with no prior knowledge. Perhaps I tried Dao based on recommendation eventually. Just means we all have to allow for our own taste and our own chemistry with the girl. I tried a recommended girl at SW (think was called Benz) once and that was a no repeat also. Too fake for me.

Bam appeals to me if her pics are accurate. Looks like a girl I once knew but probably not. Looks slim and delicate no silly cones

[QUOTE=Lanick;2226932]Sometimes I just don't understand how Thailand can be so dysfunctional!

Just tried asking Analisa Nana if I can book Coy and they said there's not such a lady!

Monkey Paw, which website did you get Coy's profile picture from? I want to send them the link to remind them of Coy (or go to the alternative shops to bone her!

Let's grab a beer should you be in BKK next week![/QUOTE]This could be a "Lost in Translation" potentially. The name should be pronounced like "Goy" (with emphasis - Common female Thai name) although is normally spelled "Koy". A Thai unaspirated "K" sounds a bit like a letter "G". If pronounce wrong, they may not understand. Other possibility is she is gone, or they never had anyone with that name.

So "goy" would be a girl's nickname, but her working name could easily be something else like "Coco" as an example, or any other non Thai name that appears on the web site, since I don't see Goy, Coy, or Koy there or Goi, Coi, Koi either. Western spelling for a Thai name is rarely absolutely clear.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2227873]This could be a "Lost in Translation" potentially. The name should be pronounced like "Goy" (with emphasis - Common female Thai name) although is normally spelled "Koy". A Thai unaspirated "K" sounds a bit like a letter "G". If pronounce wrong, they may not understand. Other possibility is she is gone, or they never had anyone with that name.

So "goy" would be a girl's nickname, but her working name could easily be something else like "Coco" as an example, or any other non Thai name that appears on the web site, since I don't see Goy, Coy, or Koy there or Goi, Coi, Koi either. Western spelling for a Thai name is rarely absolutely clear.[/QUOTE]Hi Syzygies,

Thanks for the tips! Let me try asking Analisa based on the potential variants. "Coy" looks pretty hot based on MonketPaw's pictures.

Hopefully MP would be kind enough to provide the weblink, after all he has his reputation to uphold!

Should you be in BKK next week, I'd like to buy you a couple of beers as a thank you.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Lanick;2227807]Oops typo. I meant looks alone never equate to chemistry! My apologies.[/QUOTE]True, but if things don't work out in the chemistry department you can always jerf off on top of a beautiful girl, it is harder to jerk off on top of an ugly chc. LOL.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2226871]In case there are "non-Aussies" reading your post, your reference to "Buckley's and None" has its origin as an Australian slang term "Buckley's chance" (meaning "little or no possibility" or "no chance at all" We often say "You've got Buckley's chance" which is actually rhyming slang as "Buckley and Nunn" (meaning "None").
It's also used as a pun (as Syz used it): "You've two chances: Buckley's and none".

It refers to a former Aussie Department Store called "Buckley's and Nunn".[/QUOTE]Thank Red Kilt. That was perfectly summed up.

When I was in town a couple months back I had lunch at the New Yorker Cafe which has moved down by the shops on 22. Great spot for lunch with a good pastrami sandwich. I can't remember which one of the shops it sits across from but it was fun to sit and flirt with the girls across the way. I ended up messaging them on Line and asked about A+ girls and they had a few. (there is a butt penalty) I ended up taking FHA for an hour. She has had a baby, but damage wasn't bad, tits not as perky as I would have liked. Photos are a bit dated and photoshopped of course, but had a good session with her and she had a good wanting to please attitude. She isn't the thai thin I like, but she was firm not flabby everywhere. Since they don't advertise the A+ she doesn't do it often (so she says) and it had been a couple months she said since she did it last which made it sexy in a different way than the normal PSE girls. Anyway these shops on 22 don't get written about a lot, but it's another section to keep in mind.

[URL]http://kissbangkokmassage.com/images/masseuses/fha/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Lanick;2227644]My pleasure. The shop is also pretty clean and spacious.

Ploy and Irin look pretty nice too. Trouble is, looks never equate to chemistry and the latter for me is key to great sex.

Hope you have a good session with Alice And Fern. Smile's pictures are actually 95% accurate!!

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lanick;2226932]Sometimes I just don't understand how Thailand can be so dysfunctional!

Just tried asking Analisa Nana if I can book Coy and they said there's not such a lady!

Monkey Paw, which website did you get Coy's profile picture from? I want to send them the link to remind them of Coy (or go to the alternative shops to bone her!

Let's grab a beer should you be in BKK next week![/QUOTE]Funny thing is that awhile back, I had walked into a McDonald's in Pattaya near my condo. I don't eat meat. No beef, no chicken, and no pork, but seafood is okay with me. The only thing they had was that fish sandwich, which is decent but unappetizing that day. I did not want to order it again. But management not wanting me to be upset, made me a special order not offered on the menu. They made me a Shrimp Big Mac and then put it on a nice plate for me to eat. The other customers only looked at stared at me in awe because their food came in paper wrappers and boxes. One Korean guy as I was eating asked what is that? I told him and when he tried to order a Shrimp Big Mac, they told him "No. " that day, I was so excited by their special gesture that I posted it to my Facebook. So, now back to your original question.

Somebody else had mentioned this as well as he also got cold shoulder from Analisa. I'll tell you what I told him. The problem was that I wrote an exact recipe of what I had to do in the original report. I walked in and was screened in person. I never knew she existed before I was walking out. I never just called them up asking for a "special girl" who I paid an extra 1000 to. It was not off their website but offered to me personally via my WeChat with pics. You guys are trying to do something different and expecting the same results as me. She was suggested by management and offered "special" to me. I've been to establishments everywhere in the world, where I was offered girls "off the menu" or "under the radar" and brought in just for my pleasure. This is how Monkeypaw rolls. Go read some of my Vietnam reports.

If I share the experience, and another reader wanted the same, why would he not do the same thing exactly to mimic me? If I wanted the exact same results as another punter. The only way to do that is to be him! To be honest, I think she was a special type of girl not offered to all customers. She's only advertised and given to special ones is what I think. And the more people that randomly call on her. The harder it gets. It's better to go in person to the establishments, ask them "do you think you can offer me any of the special girls" if you see the lineup and don't like. Management will either accept or reject you and say "no more girls. " They want people coming in person to spread the wealth. Notice how many girls are alway there that are NOT advertised.

Back to Coy, it may also be they only want certain criterias in a customer to make her available at her request, not yours? She may be a famous girl. Many girls that work some of the Soapies are former models. I once went to Poseidon and after rejecting all the girls I saw in the lineups, I was taken to a special room with 6 very special girls not available to everyone. I can imagine if I had pictures and made a report on this what would have happened at Poseidon as well. If you called, definitely not offered to you. And anyone who calls in and cannot be screened.

In other words, perhaps you wanted her, but she was not available to you. Believe it or not but this is the truth, some girls can pick exactly who they want to fuck, even in P4P. Rather than making the customer angry, management will say things like "she's not here, she doesn't work here, or she's on period and choose another. " This happens all at the time at Go Go bars and Soapies, so why not expect this at Analisa with their 3-4 locations and 50 or so girls? Who you are in life, will get you exactly what you can can or cannot get. Only way to find out is to find out. And trust me, anybody calling in asking about a top tier girl who wants to be discreet is doing it wrong.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2228182]When I was in town a couple months back I had lunch at the New Yorker Cafe which has moved down by the shops on 22. Great spot for lunch with a good pastrami sandwich. I can't remember which one of the shops it sits across from but it was fun to sit and flirt with the girls across the way. I ended up messaging them on Line and asked about A+ girls and they had a few. (there is a butt penalty) I ended up taking FHA for an hour. She has had a baby, but damage wasn't bad, tits not as perky as I would have liked. Photos are a bit dated and photoshopped of course, but had a good session with her and she had a good wanting to please attitude. She isn't the thai thin I like, but she was firm not flabby everywhere. Since they don't advertise the A+ she doesn't do it often (so she says) and it had been a couple months she said since she did it last which made it sexy in a different way than the normal PSE girls. Anyway these shops on 22 don't get written about a lot, but it's another section to keep in mind.

[URL]http://kissbangkokmassage.com/images/masseuses/fha/[/URL][/QUOTE]I could easily do Fha as pic is my spec. Of course if she is too far from the pic, maybe I would change my mind. Funning spelling Fha. Should be "Fah" I guess. Fha also appeared on website for the other sister shop I recall.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2226871]
It refers to a former Aussie Department Store called "Buckley's and Nunn".[/QUOTE]Sorry, I did not know it was Aussie slang. I thought it might be English. I used it for a stir really, since many guys write slang, and I often have little clue what it means, and this was a case where I had not understood the writer responded to.

Spending time in several countries, I don't always know where the slang comes from, and some we pick up from TV as well.

"My bad" LOL.

A player from an English football club was being interviewed. He was Scottish and referred to eating a "butty". I thought WTF is that? Suppose that shows I am not from the U.K. LOL

[QUOTE=Lanick;2227807]Oops typo. I meant looks alone never equate to chemistry! My apologies.[/QUOTE]Correction not needed. You had the meaning already using the word "equate".

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2228182]When I was in town a couple months back I had lunch at the New Yorker Cafe which has moved down by the shops on 22. Great spot for lunch with a good pastrami sandwich. I can't remember which one of the shops it sits across from but it was fun to sit and flirt with the girls across the way.[/QUOTE]Guido has now opened Dive Bar 22 right next to his New Yorker Cafe in that same location, at the end of the second sub soi past Marriott Marquis Hotel, same side of Soi 22 as the hotel. You can order from either menu in either restaurant/bar. There is a fine American-style breakfast menu, including waffles, and the baked bean version for English-style, a delicious burger, a classic chicken club sandwich worth trying and, imo, one of the more authentic to New York style pepperoni pizzas in terms of crust and ingredients that I have had in Bangkok. Open from 8AM until Midnight every day as I recall. Don't go by the prices listed on the online/Facebook menu. I think Food Panda requires them to add THEIR whopping 37% delivery charge to those prices.

Prices seems a lot higher than ever.

[URL]https://smooci.com/?tap_a=24337-69baac&tap_s=178949-bb4c23[/URL]#models.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2228238]Guido has now opened Dive Bar 22 right next to his New Yorker Cafe in that same location, at the end of the second sub soi past Marriott Marquis Hotel, same side of Soi 22 as the hotel. You can order from either menu in either restaurant/bar. There is a fine American-style breakfast menu, including waffles, and the baked bean version for English-style, a delicious burger, a classic chicken club sandwich worth trying and, imo, one of the more authentic to New York style pepperoni pizzas in terms of crust and ingredients that I have had in Bangkok. Open from 8AM until Midnight every day as I recall. Don't go by the prices listed on the online/Facebook menu. I think Food Panda requires them to add THEIR whopping 37% delivery charge to those prices.[/QUOTE]I'm not into suggesting new threads but I think you should get your own thread for " Food Critic " I don't get to Bangkok much but whenever I need to go to the Embassy I make it a short adventure and stay overnight. Here in Pattaya one doesn't or can't go hungry plenty of choices but after a while, I'm starved for good American food from back home.

My next trip end of the year I will make it a point to try out the Mexican place and the place you just noted. Thanks.

I will be honest Syz given what I have seen in person on your spec in years past she would be too far from your spec. The post baby tits and a more athletic figure are definitely different than the pics let on. But if you give her a try and I am wrong by all means let me know.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2228200]I could easily do Fha as pic is my spec. Of course if she is too far from the pic, maybe I would change my mind. Funning spelling Fha. Should be "Fah" I guess. Fha also appeared on website for the other sister shop I recall.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2228577]I will be honest Syz given what I have seen in person on your spec in years past she would be too far from your spec. The post baby tits and a more athletic figure are definitely different than the pics let on. But if you give her a try and I am wrong by all means let me know.[/QUOTE]I don't mind going to a place and having a look. Quite prepared to walk out if nothing really cute and look in another. My cutie might not be appealing to someone else looking for light skin and semi western look, or chinese look.

Slightly saggy tits are okay For me. Nipples point down, then no way. No deflated empty bags. That is problem in MPs. Tits are covered. Its a gamble. Others just say no girls with babies to reduce the odds of bad body.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2228277]I'm not into suggesting new threads but I think you should get your own thread for " Food Critic " I don't get to Bangkok much but whenever I need to go to the Embassy I make it a short adventure and stay overnight. Here in Pattaya one doesn't or can't go hungry plenty of choices but after a while, I'm starved for good American food from back home.

My next trip end of the year I will make it a point to try out the Mexican place and the place you just noted. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Good "American Food" exists? LOL What is that like? The sports pub I like has good quality western food, such that I don't normally order Thai food there. However for price, local food is a better idea. I never take potatoes or French fries (hardly even eat rice) and don't eat the burger bun, because don't need the bland junk filler items degrading my body and health. Don't risk your future health by eating a lot of shit, is my motto. Nearly all the other expats in the pub are far too fat from eating rubbish and maybe drinking too much beer.

I would probably be horrified by ETs American breakfast. Waffles would be a no no. Syrup the extreme worst possible.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2228610]Good "American Food" exists? LOL What is that like? The sports pub I like has good quality western food, such that I don't normally order Thai food there. However for price, local food is a better idea. I never take potatoes or French fries (hardly even eat rice) and don't eat the burger bun, because don't need the bland junk filler items degrading my body and health. Don't risk your future health by eating a lot of shit, is my motto. Nearly all the other expats in the pub are far too fat from eating rubbish and maybe drinking too much beer.

I would probably be horrified by ETs American breakfast. Waffles would be a no no. Syrup the extreme worst possible.[/QUOTE]In other words, you have the same diet as my 97 year old Grandmother.

[QUOTE=Berrys66;2228276]Prices seems a lot higher than ever.

[URL]https://smooci.com/?tap_a=24337-69baac&tap_s=178949-bb4c23[/URL]#models.[/QUOTE]Ridiculous prices. Use a dating websites and get a nice 21-24 yo for free or for 1.5-2 k outcall BBFS.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2228761]Ridiculous prices. Use a dating websites and get a nice 21-24 yo for free or for 1.5-2 k outcall BBFS.[/QUOTE]Ridiculous? I get a Wechat message this morning from what appears to be a hottie, using the discover nearby function. Hi how are you, where you stay, I do outcall, 5000 B.

Yeah OK, sure baby. Block. Give me a break.

[QUOTE=Berrys66;2228276]Prices seems a lot higher than ever.

[URL]https://smooci.com/?tap_a=24337-69baac&tap_s=178949-bb4c23[/URL]#models.[/QUOTE]Since adding independents who charge silly prices it seems they are higher but most agency girls are available are the same old rates.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2228696]In other words, you have the same diet as my 97 year old Grandmother.[/QUOTE]That makes huge sense. She hit on what food would not kill her in the long run. Hope her brain still functions okay Too.

I would prefer to last a bit longer yet, thanks. Meanwhile buddy is on a bad diet and reports terrible heart disease, and stress and has to go on Statins. Also he can't walk far because too heavy and his knees are buggered. He is several years younger than me. He goes to gym, but where does that get him? Probably needs a stomach bypass Op.

I reckon Alzheimers is caused by bad food too.

I might even live to 90 if I play my cards right and stay healthy. If not, great sex at 80 would do.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2229093]
I reckon Alzheimers is caused by bad food too.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, my Grandmother died of Alzheimers at 97.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2228995]Ridiculous? I get a Wechat message this morning from what appears to be a hottie, using the discover nearby function. Hi how are you, where you stay, I do outcall, 5000 B.

Yeah OK, sure baby. Block. Give me a break.[/QUOTE]What did she say when you countered with a lower offer? Or, as an alternative, propose improving the deal for yourself until it reaches a level of Value For Money to justify paying something within range of 5000 baht? Now, that's something not really possible on Smooci, right?

Maybe they've added some means to do that, but I highly doubt it. The only direction Smooci has gone since they proudly announced how they were going to revolutionize the industry and their wonderful Star Rating system would help keep the girls' service levels up is to create a sweeter deal for the girls than any experienced punter would stand for and reduce the most basic position of strength any punter ought to have to negotiate better conditions and results for himself. Now that they've removed "FS" from the list of claimed services the girls can choose and not replaced with any other euphemism or term for "Fucking", I suppose their next move is to remove "BBBJ", "DT", "CIM" and "A-Level" (because those terms are so darned confusing to the customers and the girls too, you know) and perhaps require the full non-refundable 3750+ baht payment be made upfront by credit card before you even see the girl in the flesh. LOL.

And, no doubt, there will be many very vocal and passionate defenders and supporters of those decisions here, too.

No, the personal "Escort Booking Service" you possess on your own mobile phone with access to the social networks and dating sites can easily produce a much better deal in terms of price AND service AND a more realistic view of how the girl looks (video chat) before deciding to "book" than any other Escort Service out there, including Smooci. In some cases, you can actually find THE SAME girls that appear on Smooci and even more often get them while they are younger, slimmer and more accommodating for the customer than they will be when they eventually do land on Smooci.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2228610]Good "American Food" exists? LOL What is that like? The sports pub I like has good quality western food, such that I don't normally order Thai food there. However for price, local food is a better idea. I never take potatoes or French fries (hardly even eat rice) and don't eat the burger bun, because don't need the bland junk filler items degrading my body and health. Don't risk your future health by eating a lot of shit, is my motto. Nearly all the other expats in the pub are far too fat from eating rubbish and maybe drinking too much beer.

I would probably be horrified by ETs American breakfast. Waffles would be a no no. Syrup the extreme worst possible.[/QUOTE]LOL. I didn't say it was "healthy" American food. Just "good" as in flavor and culinary pleasure. If you want "healthy food", I would stick to bird seed and clear water, I suppose.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2228610]Good "American Food" exists? LOL What is that like? The sports pub I like has good quality western food, such that I don't normally order Thai food there. However for price, local food is a better idea. I never take potatoes or French fries (hardly even eat rice) and don't eat the burger bun, because don't need the bland junk filler items degrading my body and health. Don't risk your future health by eating a lot of shit, is my motto. Nearly all the other expats in the pub are far too fat from eating rubbish and maybe drinking too much beer.

I would probably be horrified by ETs American breakfast. Waffles would be a no no. Syrup the extreme worst possible.[/QUOTE]We grow up liking a particular taste in food guess I'm a bit spoiled coming from a City on the West coast that is multi-culture some consider it to be one of the best in the world. Being Chinese American aside from the seafood dishes consider many of the Thai dishes very similar and the majority of the time I'm eating just that. Here in Pattaya you won't go hungry but never yet have I found a Mexican place that hit the spot like at home, nor a pizza, hamburger, baby back ribs, most of all a decent breakfast. I'm not starving it is what it is here in Thailand but I'm always looking and trying just happy that it is being offered so when I get the urge it is there but it doesn't hit the spot like at home. I grew up 1 block for the Italian district, a block from Chinatown and hop skip and jump from little Mexico.

I get home if I'm lucky once a year leaving tomorrow and looking forward to visiting some old places!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2229114]What did she say when you countered with a lower offer? Or, as an alternative, propose improving the deal for yourself until it reaches a level of Value For Money to justify paying something within range of 5000 baht? Now, that's something not really possible on Smooci, right?.[/QUOTE]Counter? I don't counter stupid, unless she fits every fantasy I have and I just have to have her. If she would have said 3 K I probably would have played because at that moment in time, Value for Money for me was maybe 2 K if she looked as good as her pics.

I'm here for the food and temples, the pussy is a bonus and I got all the time in the world.

Went into Billboard the last Friday of my trip and noticed a ton of new girls, many in different colored bikini's. Turns out Butterfly's sound system went down and they sent their girls over to Billboard to work. Ended up taking two cuties back to my room from Butterflies for an attempted threesome. Got both into the bed naked, went down on both and would finger one while I ate out the other. Got a bit of a BJ from the one but then they started to chat with each other and the one got up to get her phone to translate something for me. The translation was "we can not handle the terrain" ie they were dick scared. I said ok, you can go. We all got dressed and back I went to Billboard and got a full refund for the barfine. Only cost me a lady drink in the end and a little lost time. Worked out well in the end because I got one of my favorites after the bar was closing down, she was waiting for me in front of my hotel for the cost of the two barfines that I got refunded.

Was running low on condoms so picked up some at the family mart. Said XL on the package but they sure weren't XL to me. Barely rolled halfway down. Funny thing was every time i'd pull back out of the girl it would start to roll back up. Started to feel really good so I pulled out and noticed the rubber ring was now around the base of my dick and the condom was only covering the head. Almost bareback. Funny thing was the girl was ok with it.

The old 827 at billa is gone. New one isn't anything to write home about.

And what's with Bacca's LT. 6 k for 4 hrs! Not good! 239 is asking for 8 k! Scandalous.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2229135]Counter? I don't counter stupid, unless she fits every fantasy I have and I just have to have her. If she would have said 3 K I probably would have played because at that moment in time, Value for Money for me was maybe 2 K if she looked as good as her pics.[/QUOTE]Not sure why you would need to label someone "stupid", for sure your not going to get brownie points.

The reason that "hottie" blocked you because probably "she" checked your wechat moments and realized your not East Asian. 99% of wechat users in Bangkok are ladyboys looking primarily for East Asian customers. Why? I'm guessing most east Asian customers would rather give in and pay so they go away rather being shamed for being tricked. IMO.

[QUOTE=Lanick;2229213]The old 827 at billa is gone. New one isn't anything to write home about.

And what's with Bacca's LT. 6 k for 4 hrs! Not good! 239 is asking for 8 k! Scandalous.[/QUOTE]Haha 239 used to one of my regular girls. She can be a * at times. I wrote several reviews about her in the past. But she's hot as fuck right? I miss her, but the last time we fucked, afterwards she wanted to go hang out at Demo. I wanted to sleep, so I handed her "only" 5 or 6,000 for two hours. I can't remember because it was awhile back. She started whining about how I used to give her 8,000 for LT. I said, you are hot and can fuck, but honestly, your math and perception about time is off. Two hours is short time and I just gave you a lot of money for short time. Now get the fuck out. I kicked her out. Honestly, I was getting bored of fucking her and wanted a reason to swap her ass out without feeling guilty. Greed was enough for me. Of course she went back and told a few of the girls I did not pay her correctly. But when I gave details to the story to them, they looked at her stupid. He paid you normal long time money for most girls for only short time. And told her she should be happy. But those tits are amazing. Honestly, I think I paid for those indirectly.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2229258]Not sure why you would need to label someone "stupid", for sure your not going to get brownie points.

The reason that "hottie" blocked you because probably "she" checked your wechat moments and realized your not East Asian. 99% of wechat users in Bangkok are ladyboys looking primarily for East Asian customers. Why? I'm guessing most east Asian customers would rather give in and pay so they go away rather being shamed for being tricked. IMO.[/QUOTE]The sentence was meant to say "stupid prices". And I blocked her. And thanks, I'm well familiar with how we chat works.

That now being clarified, I'm still looking for some action in Thonburi as I am frequently way too lazy to scoot downtown.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2229258] 99% of wechat users in Bangkok are ladyboys looking primarily for East Asian customers. [/QUOTE]Last time I counted them it was only 25% and they are looking for anything that has a dick and money, not just East Asians.
And a dick is not even mandatory.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2229135]Counter? I don't counter stupid, SNIP [/QUOTE]Maybe you meant to say: I don't counter stupid offers?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2229129]We grow up liking a particular taste in food guess I'm a bit spoiled coming from a City on the West coast that is multi-culture some consider it to be one of the best in the world. Being Chinese American aside from the seafood dishes consider many of the Thai dishes very similar and the majority of the time I'm eating just that. Here in Pattaya you won't go hungry but never yet have I found a Mexican place that hit the spot like at home, nor a pizza, hamburger, baby back ribs, most of all a decent breakfast. I'm not starving it is what it is here in Thailand but I'm always looking and trying just happy that it is being offered so when I get the urge it is there but it doesn't hit the spot like at home. I grew up 1 block for the Italian district, a block from Chinatown and hop skip and jump from little Mexico.

I get home if I'm lucky once a year leaving tomorrow and looking forward to visiting some old places![/QUOTE]So what you really mean is you like good quality Chinese, Mexican, Italian food etc. Not so much is specifically American food.

In Bangkok you can get a decent Burger and most things you mention. Not sure about ribs.

I don't do those. I would be scared of being given sweet sauce. For me sweet does not really go with meat for most types of meals, since childhood.

I hate sweet and sour dishes. Good Chinese seafood for me, should also not be sweet.

For me "sugar" is the biggest poison we over consume. Just it kills us very slowly.

I have no clue what a "decent" breakfast is. It means quite different things to different people. Most expats are well over weight from eating too much crap starting at breakfast. I try to control my BF to be small and healthy and contain fibre. Still a coffee addict though.

Today cooked rolled oats with berries and some left over BBQed fish and left over Mara (bitter gourd) soup. Essentially a combined BF and lunch. Not easy to do this type of meal in Italy unless make it all yourself. In Italy was hard to find restaurants at all suitable for me. We can do much better in Bangkok, buying stuff in the market, or cook for yourself.

Italy was the worst country for me to be in, to try to stop gaining weight, as Italian cuisine is so carbohydrate dominated, and often so bland and boring. So perhaps my least favourite International cuisine. These days I really try to not eat Italian as much as possible.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2228200]I could easily do Fha as pic is my spec. Of course if she is too far from the pic, maybe I would change my mind. Funning spelling Fha. Should be "Fah" I guess. Fha also appeared on website for the other sister shop I recall.[/QUOTE]Just got scammed. Ordered an Fah outcall and they sent Ploy along instead. And she's not as good as Fha as described below. Hummmmm.

Was running around doing my old man retired errands (IE nothing important) like a sweaty fat pig yesterday afternoon, and started feeling a voice in my belly screaming for food. Because I was Thaied out (I live between two totally local street markets with takeaway galore) I decided that American food was the ticket and meandered to Hooters where I had lime sodas and Happy Hour Wings, which were disgusting yet edible. The waitress was cute and friendly and we had the usual conversation, where you from, where you stay, you have Thai GF, why no GF, why you stay there, no falang, etc. The rumble in my gut satisfied, I felt a stirring in my loins and it was only 7 pm, so I walked to Kasalong. Yuck. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], yuck. Magic Table, yuck. Well time to go home and Line somebody so began messaging away. So busy messaging I ended up taking the wrong line so I jumped off at Phrom Pong. Wait. 7th heaven is here.

Wandered over there and sucked up the fact that it is about twice the price, paid my fee, got my free soda. And chose Soda off the Ipad, who turned out to be this tiny non English speaking little thing with braces and a cute bobbed haircut. She looked like a schoolgirl. Duh. The perv Japanese look. She even had Hello Kitty bloomers. She spoke a little Japanese so we had a pidgen convo, she patted my fat belly, called me Papa, washed me down and went to work with all the obligatory squeals which usually drive me nuts but sounded so nice muffled. Quite a wonderful job I may add and it took the edge off. Wash me down, get dressed and head back home! A wonderful late afternoon.

[QUOTE=Lanick;2229527]Just got scammed. Ordered an Fah outcall and they sent Ploy along instead. And she's not as good as Fha as described below. Hummmmm.[/QUOTE]IMHO Ploy on the website looks better than Fha. How did Ploy look when she arrived? Similar to pics or not? Photoshopped?

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2229796]IMHO Ploy on the website looks better than Fha. How did Ploy look when she arrived? Similar to pics or not? Photoshopped?[/QUOTE]My thoughts also. Figure wise Ploy is OK but facial complexion was P.S. Liberally. Most if all tho, service wasn't great. I just couldn't get into the mood if you know what I mean. My recommendation is that don't bother.

I did call the shop afterwards saying they sent the wrong girl. In a typical Thai fashion they said, yes, Fha was busy. So we sent ploy. Can't argue with that logic.

[QUOTE=Lanick;2229527]Just got scammed. Ordered an Fah outcall and they sent Ploy along instead. And she's not as good as Fha as described below. Hummmmm.[/QUOTE]I would never accept a switch. Dumb! Personally I prefer the Pics of Bam and Fha. More natural looking. Ploy is OK but looks like an obvious surgeries girl both nose and tits.

I don't think doing outcall is a great idea unless you already know the girl well, and make sure she is available. I always do incall as at least the first time. Then can see the real looks as distinct from photos.

[QUOTE=Lanick;2229527]Just got scammed. Ordered an Fah outcall and they sent Ploy along instead. And she's not as good as Fha as described below. Hummmmm.[/QUOTE]I would have been fah king pissed!

Lesson learnt!

KC 1 is asking 10 k for LT?! Seriously? Maybe I smell.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2229907]I would never accept a switch. Dumb! Personally I prefer the Pics of Bam and Fha. More natural looking. Ploy is OK but looks like an obvious surgeries girl both nose and tits.

I don't think doing outcall is a great idea unless you already know the girl well, and make sure she is available. I always do incall as at least the first time. Then can see the real looks as distinct from photos.[/QUOTE]

Does anybody have suggestions for places to get A-level in Bangkok? I'm heading to Bangkok again in mid October and have been there a few times already. Usually I stick to Nana plaza, the massage places and Thermae, but this is the first time I'll be trying to get A-level there. I assume the girls at Nana plaza wouldn't try it, but wondering if anyone has had any look at Thermae? I'm guessing some of the older ladies are more amenable but wondering if anyone has had any luck with the ladies (under 30).

I'm glad to see that Nana Plaza now checks every girl's ID at the entrance to Nana Plaza to make sure they are at least 20 years old before they can enter. That reduces confusion when the girl arrives at Dynasty Grande and they check to see if the girl is 20 before allowing her to visit.

[QUOTE=Lanick;2230008]Lesson learnt!

KC 1 is asking 10 k for LT?! Seriously? Maybe I smell.[/QUOTE]KC1 is normal gogo pricing to barfine girls. Sorry but it appears that girl didn't want to go with you.

[QUOTE=Lanick;2230008]Lesson learnt!

KC 1 is asking 10 k for LT?! Seriously? Maybe I smell.[/QUOTE]The only time girls ask for huge money like that is when I go directly from the office and I am wearing a suit. Dress like a bum wearing a t-shirt and shorts and tell them you are staying at a cheap hotel and the price will be far less.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2230217]I'm glad to see that Nana Plaza now checks every girl's ID at the entrance to Nana Plaza to make sure they are at least 20 years old before they can enter. That reduces confusion when the girl arrives at Dynasty Grande and they check to see if the girl is 20 before allowing her to visit.[/QUOTE]That is interesting. How do they know if the girl is working? Would that mean Farang girls are not allowed in at all, because they are not Thai citizens. Maybe they check only age and not nationality. Can 18 YO guys go in I wonder?

Years ago one could enter Nana Plaza though the Morning Night back door. I wonder if that is shut off?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2230247]That is interesting. How do they know if the girl is working? Would that mean Farang girls are not allowed in at all, because they are not Thai citizens. Maybe they check only age and not nationality. Can 18 YO guys go in I wonder?

Years ago one could enter Nana Plaza though the Morning Night back door. I wonder if that is shut off?[/QUOTE]The sign says NOBODY under 20 years old allowed. I don't give a shit about Farang girls or 18 YO guys, so I didn't mention them.

If there is a back way in somehow, I hope they block it. I like them checking the ID's. It eliminates the chance of wasting a bar fine on someone who can't get into your hotel.

[QUOTE=Rhasta247;2230208]Does anybody have suggestions for places to get A-level in Bangkok? [/QUOTE]Tulip and Snow White.

After many years without stepping inside any kind of GoGo bar, few days ago I was at Fanny's in Soi Cowboy.

Most women there were fat and old and not good looking in general. Just one girl was cute and slim and I made her come sit with me and paid her a drink. She told me she is a Coyote and her BF is 1200 while ST is 3000 (her drink was double price than normal girls too).

I really don't like this Coyote stuff. At least they should make it clear who the Coyotes are in my opinion.

Can anyone suggest some bar in Soi Cowboy without any Coyotes working there? Or every bar now use them?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2230294] I like them checking the ID's. It eliminates the chance of wasting a bar fine on someone who can't get into your hotel.[/QUOTE]Hey Smoothy, I don't know where you stay in BKK, I don't care, but all the hotels where I stay are Guest Friendly. In BKK that means no ID checking of any kind and no limit on the number of girls I can bring in. For example, I had 3 girls over in my hotel room a couple of nights ago. We had a great time. The staff did not blink an eyelid.

Perhaps this particular discussion belongs in the "Stupid Shit in Thailand" thread because frankly, you really surprise me Smoothy. Please say it ain't so. Say you were high on Tequila or something and didn't know what you were posting. OhMyFuckingBuddha.

I hate the ID checking at the front of Nana. I view it as an unwarranted incursion, an affront, and more importantly it is a sign that slowly, very slowly, a transformation of our adult, no holds barred playground known as LOS is being redesigned into an antiseptic, politically correct, no sex shadow of its former self.

Look at recent changes:

1. American Bar / Food Chain Hooters opens up across from Nana competing with all the old school hostess bars on Soi 4 (no barfines at Hooters / just American BS with Thai girls) - unbelievable a few years ago. "Somebody give me a cheeseburger." Know where that quote comes from? I will give you a hint: "Living in the USA"
2. No barfine Go Go girls in Go Go's. Again unbelievable a few years ago.
3. Now, no girls under 20 allowed in NANA Go Go's ? and cops stationed permanently at the front door to check. What the fuck! And what's wrong with an 18 year old? Some of my best girls were 18/19 years old.

All these changes are ominous and portend no good. OK. I have said what I wanted to say. It's now time to take a taxi over to Mini's new apartment. I havn't seen her new place since I arrived. I am looking forward to this afternoon and evening with her. We are going to have some fun.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2230588]
2. No barfine Go Go girls in Go Go's. Again unbelievable a few years ago.
3. Now, no girls under 20 allowed in NANA Go Go's ? and cops stationed permanently at the front door to check. What the fuck! And what's wrong with an 18 year old? Some of my best girls were 18/19 years old.
[/QUOTE]Wait. When did this all start? I did notice the check point at Nana last visit but I had no idea it was to keep out 18 and 19 year old girls. Also, we can't barfine gogo girls in a gogo bar?

Hopefully cowboy and patpong remain unaffected.

Sorry I know I should RTFF. Admittedly I don't follow the Bangkok threads closely.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2230588]Hey Smoothy, I don't know where you stay in BKK, I don't care, but all the hotels where I stay are Guest Friendly. In BKK that means no ID checking of any kind and no limit on the number of girls I can bring in. For example, I had 3 girls over in my hotel room a couple of nights ago. We had a great time. The staff did not blink an eyelid.
[/QUOTE]Ha ha. A few pompous Hotels do exist, fortunately not many. Once years ago I stayed at Bangkok Palace Makasan. Later I was told it was a family Hotel. LOL I check out pretty quick. I recently also found a pompous Hotel in Sathorn, a bit too much into checking Ids. Lucky I did not need to fuck my Lao girl there (has no Thai ID).

Hotel Solo in Sukhumvit Soi 2 is also not recommended (due to 20 YO rule). I think basically guys get to compile a mental list of Hotels not advisable, and fortunately there are not too many, but anyone could have bad luck. LOL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2230604]
Hopefully cowboy and patpong remain unaffected.
[/QUOTE]Of course they are affected. Cowboy has a lot of bars with Coyotes these days.

Theoretically, Coyote girls in Kiss, Midnite, Sahara, Rio, ("Arab" bars I think I missed one or 2) are not available for sex. Deja Vu maybe the same.

Coyotes in Cowboy2 are available for sex (some or most) but BF is v. high.

Dollhouse has Coyotes at a reasonable BF price. It maybe the only one.

In Shark some Coyotes go for sex, some don't. I have not surveyed them so a bit unsure. BFs are high which rules most out as are not so special looking.

Most Crazy Cat girls are students and not hookers.

Then we have the place being overrun by Ladyboys, in Cockatoo, and now small numbers of LBs seen in front of other bars (I did not go in).

Many bars overrun with surgeries girls which is generally not my preference. Yeh we complain about it. Many bars overrun by useless fake Coyotes. Sometimes even tough to tell which girls are officially Coyotes and which are not if dress method is not exactly the same for all.

Double layer bras are usually standard for Coyotes. Tights are an indicator but not mandatory. Bikini or G string are normally not Coyotes. Coyotes are never topless or knickerless.

Even 15 to 20 years ago, I can recall that some girls were just show dancers (a very small minority), and rarely went with a customer for sex, unless the girl really fancied him. Even Long Gun had a dancer that refused me plenty of times, not refusing my company at all, but just no BF allowed. She may have had a BF, I don't know, or preferred Asian cock, whatever. Maybe she had to stay to do the dance shows. She could drink tequilas like a fish drinks water, so maybe made enough money in drink commissions and show fees and tips. She claimed to like fat teddy bear guys, while very skinny herself. LOL So I failed to make the grade. The reason is not that important and known only to her. Maybe she wanted guys to be exclusive to her, but knew I liked both Ning and Noi, so too much "Jao Choo". Back then I did fuck the Show dancer at Midnite upstairs and she as a fabulous wild fuck, probably on substances (spaced out). So some show girls could be available (or should I say most should have been available back then).

Cowboy has always been a place where girls could choose the customers they were happy to fuck, or refuse "I am on my period", or " I don't go with customers".

Hi all,

As I never been in Thailand I have a question, may be silly one, but I would like to understand what you call coyotes, you seem to have a very precise idea of what they are but its really unclear for me.

If you could explain.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Albert9989;2230634]Hi all,

As I never been in Thailand I have a question, may be silly one, but I would like to understand what you call coyotes, you seem to have a very precise idea of what they are but its really unclear for me.

If you could explain.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]A coyote is bait to get you in the bar to spend money.

[QUOTE=Albert9989;2230634]Hi all,

As I never been in Thailand I have a question, may be silly one, but I would like to understand what you call coyotes, you seem to have a very precise idea of what they are but its really unclear for me.

If you could explain.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Girls who will drink with you, have a lot of fun with you in the bar, but will refuse to barfine. Or if they do, then they may refuse sex. They will go out with you to party and drink and dance and all that shit. Or they may have an unusually high price tag, as compared to the other regular barfineable girls.

They are usually identified by the outfit they wear, which is different (more covered) from the girls dancing on stage.

OK now I get what natty wrote. He wrote there are girls who will not barfine. I misunderstood and thought there was some new law saying you can no longer barfine any gogo dancer in Nana.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2230676]Girls who will drink with you, have a lot of fun with you in the bar, but will refuse to barfine. Or if they do, then they may refuse sex. They will go out with you to party and drink and dance and all that shit. Or they may have an unusually high price tag, as compared to the other regular barfineable girls.

They are usually identified by the outfit they wear, which is different (more covered) from the girls dancing on stage.[/QUOTE]Hey thanks a lot, I am learning everyday!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2230588]Hey Smoothy, I don't know where you stay in BKK[/QUOTE]Dynasty Grande, sukhumvit soi 6 checks their ID cards every time and they have to be over 20. It's been one of the most recommended hotels on this site over the years. I'm guessing, not anymore.

[QUOTE=Albert9989;2230634]Hi all,

As I never been in Thailand I have a question, may be silly one, but I would like to understand what you call coyotes, you seem to have a very precise idea of what they are but its really unclear for me.

If you could explain.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Apparently the word came from the US movie "Coyote Ugly" (year 2000) where the girls who worked in a NYC bar would get up on stage and do shows.

[QUOTE=Albert9989;2230634]Hi all,

As I never been in Thailand I have a question, may be silly one, but I would like to understand what you call coyotes, you seem to have a very precise idea of what they are but its really unclear for me.

If you could explain.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Originally Coyote girls are dancers on tables in pubs or clubs, not naked or even close to it, double layer bras in Thailand, and usually very short cut off shorts, exposing some ass. They had a particular style of gyrating their pelvis. Do a You tube search. Mojos was a Snooker / Pool pub with coyotes. See pic. From the colour of the girls' legs, you can see most are wearing tights (almost skin coloured. This detracts from the look in my view.

Not that dissimilar to discos where they have paid female dancers on podiums/tables. Maybe they can also be called Coyotes although may have more varied dance moves.

Now they have moved into many gogo bars, but are mostly fake Coyotes who don't know how to dance properly.

Piper Perabo was one of the original hot "Coyotes" from the movie Coyote Ugly. She wasn't even slightly ugly (back then). An 11 out of 10 points girl. Exactly my spec. Probably the only reason I watched the movie. LOL

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2230901]Originally Coyote girls are dancers on tables in pubs or clubs, not naked or even close to it, double layer bras in Thailand, and usually very short cut off shorts, exposing some ass. They had a particular style of gyrating their pelvis. Do a You tube search. Mojos was a Snooker / Pool pub with coyotes. See pic. From the colour of the girls' legs, you can see most are wearing tights (almost skin coloured. This detracts from the look in my view.

Not that dissimilar to discos where they have paid female dancers on podiums/tables. Maybe they can also be called Coyotes although may have more varied dance moves.

Now they have moved into many gogo bars, but are mostly fake Coyotes who don't know how to dance properly.

Piper Perabo was one of the original hot "Coyotes" from the movie Coyote Ugly. She wasn't even slightly ugly (back then). An 11 out of 10 points girl. Exactly my spec. Probably the only reason I watched the movie. LOL[/QUOTE]I walked down Soi Cowboy the other night and a gorgeous Coyote grabbed me. My first response was to tell her in pidgen she was pretty and I wanted to barfine her. OK she says, come in have drink buy me lady drink. Naw I says, I don't drink, just barfine and boom boom.

She looked mean at me, stepped back and grabbed an Indian guy.

On the ground now in Bkk, I can report that Twister has girls that "only drink", cute one I found but not particularly a good dancer. She strikes me as a newbie.

The bar itself used to be my favourite but now really has gone downhill. Too many tattoos for my liking.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2230901]Originally Coyote girls are dancers on tables in pubs or clubs, not naked or even close to it, double layer bras in Thailand, and usually very short cut off shorts, exposing some ass. They had a particular style of gyrating their pelvis. Do a You tube search. Mojos was a Snooker / Pool pub with coyotes. See pic. From the colour of the girls' legs, you can see most are wearing tights (almost skin coloured. This detracts from the look in my view.

Not that dissimilar to discos where they have paid female dancers on podiums/tables. Maybe they can also be called Coyotes although may have more varied dance moves.

Now they have moved into many gogo bars, but are mostly fake Coyotes who don't know how to dance properly.

Piper Perabo was one of the original hot "Coyotes" from the movie Coyote Ugly. She wasn't even slightly ugly (back then). An 11 out of 10 points girl. Exactly my spec. Probably the only reason I watched the movie. LOL[/QUOTE]Man, do we ever have different taste in women. I thought she was the only one of those girls dancing at the Coyote Ugly bar who was not hot. She's a plain jane in my eyes.

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2230842]Apparently the word came from the US movie "Coyote Ugly" (year 2000) where the girls who worked in a NYC bar would get up on stage and do shows.[/QUOTE]Coyote Ugly has to do with the guy that drinks to much, acquires beer glasses, and takes an ugly lady home. The next morning he wakes up, looks at her and chews his arm off so he can get away before she wakes. Meaning she is that ugly. It has reference to Coyote's that are caught in traps and chew off their leg to get away.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2231152]Coyote Ugly has to do with the guy that drinks to much, acquires beer glasses, and takes an ugly lady home. The next morning he wakes up, looks at her and chews his arm off so he can get away before she wakes. Meaning she is that ugly. It has reference to Coyote's that are caught in traps and chew off their leg to get away.

RL.[/QUOTE]True, but the fact that bars started opening up worldwide called Coyote Ugly with girls dancing exactly as they had in that movie Coyote Ugly and girls in bars worldwide were called Coyote girls when they dressed in short shorts and cut off tops had everything to do with the movie and nothing to do with a coyote biting his leg off.

But that is fantastic trivia! Thanks for sharing.

This piece might be sligthly off topic; how to find sex in Bangkok is really a no-brainer. And since we all have different preference I will not even start on that topic. My contribution this time is more related to the nightlife scene in Bangkok. I mean; I love Bangkok. Been going here for 10 years now. And it was really great up till around 5 years ago. My main concern is that those night venues that contributed to the diversity and quirky ambience on a great night out in the Suk area is now gone. Cheap Charlie (soi 11), Climax (soi 11), the old Five Star in Cowboy, Cactus Bar in Cowboy (John, we miss you!) and similar places. Those bars offered a break from the standard; strange, quirky, filled with interesting people, unbeatable atmosphere. Not the places you would be looking for girls primarily (except Climax of course). But plain cozy plazes that added that extra dimension to the nightlife in Bangkok. Yes, I know Sexy Nights in Nana Plaza is there still playing classic rock (oldest bar in the Plaza) and Beergarden soi 7 still hanging in there. On the skin of their teeth. But in general the go-go's seems to get more and more similar, the same "car alarm music" with a few exceptions, same interior design etc. Why not try some diversity. Something new? I am talking about theme bars like the Scooter bars in Pattaya (LK Metro), rock Dive Bars like The Cave also in LK Metro, "themed" go-go's like the popular Airport Club and Windmill in Pattaya etc. It seems like espesially Soi Cowboy is clogged with bars and bar owners that just refuse to re-invent their business. The Arabs bars in Cowboy is espesially depressing. What a waste of space! Add to this highly inflated prices over the past 5 years and more and more Coyotes working everywhere; this is just an industry on the wrong track right now. Visitors numbers are down and many bars are struggling. And I have no problem understanding why. 5 years ago the streets was full of sexy girls also working on the mobile bars. I had the pleasure of barfining many of them. Now all this business is gone. Probably a good thing for the regular bars, but it sure makes the streets less interesting for us punters. Less options and less diversity. The oposite of what we all want. Hooters have 2 bars in Sukhumvit area now. Yes it is something new, but it is like going to McDonalds. Just overpriced beer and food IMO. The Hillary Group really do some excellent work and offer variety and interesting, popular bars. Cudos to them, even though Climax is deeply missed. Well, I guess I am just getting old and ranting about the "good old times"! The latest devlopments in LK Metro in Pattaya shows that diversity in the bar industry is possible, but for some weird reasons this is not what we see in Bangkok right now.

Thanks anyway to all of you for this interesting debate about the meaning of coyote, from the start and up to now!

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2231170] Sexy Nights in Nana Plaza is there still playing classic rock (oldest bar in the Plaza).[/QUOTE]I love that bar. I didn't know it was the oldest bar there, but it's a good place to hang out.

I cannot seem to find anyone who has done this recently, so I am taking the chance of being publicly ridiculed here on the forum. Oh well.

I have found an attractive 25 year old woman, apparently a semi pro, on Thai friendly who is willing to be my guide and bed mate for a week. I have done this before, but it was in 2015, and times (and prices) have changed. In 2015, I gave the young lady something like 3500 baht a day.

In reality, since I am going to be in BKK for work, the young lady will have most of the daytime off except for a couple of trips like to see the Sleeping Buddha or maybe a temple or boat ride. And, since I like to mix things up, she will not be burdened with having to have sex with me more than once or twice daily. OK, twice or three times.

What is a reasonable amount of money to pay her for her guiding (and other) services? I want to be fair, but I do not want to be fleeced. Thanks, F.

[QUOTE=Forest;2231217]I have found an attractive 25 year old woman, apparently a semi pro, on Thai friendly who is willing to be my guide and bed mate for a week. I have done this before, but it was in 2015, and times (and prices) have changed. In 2015, I gave the young lady something like 3500 baht a day.

What is a reasonable amount of money to pay her for her guiding (and other) services? I want to be fair, but I do not want to be fleeced. Thanks, F.[/QUOTE]I'd open with 2000 and aim for 2000-4000 per day, especially if you don't need her services 24/7. You won't get a professional Nana dancer for that kind of money (she can get that much for and ST and do several per night), but for an average looking semi-pro in her 30's, that should be enough, especially if you have some chemistry. Of course, if you're really old and going for a great looker in her 20's, it might cost you more.

I think these sorts of extended arrangements with working girls are mostly the thing of the past (even a simple LT is not so common). Back before 2010 or so, almost any working girl was really eager for a multi-day arrangement (a working vacation with guaranteed income and sponsor potential! Alas, times have changed, and while it's apparently still possible, it's no longer easy to arrange, or great value for money. Personally, beyond an hour or two of sex, I have no interest in staying with a girl who'd rather be elsewhere and shows it.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2230920]I walked down Soi Cowboy the other night and a gorgeous Coyote grabbed me. My first response was to tell her in pidgen she was pretty and I wanted to barfine her. OK she says, come in have drink buy me lady drink. Naw I says, I don't drink, just barfine and boom boom.

She looked mean at me, stepped back and grabbed an Indian guy.[/QUOTE]The Arab was the first to employ coyotes, or as I refer to them "bait girls. " he started this soon after he bought his first bar, Midnight. It was the beginning of Cowboy being a great destination. Before he bought it. Midnight was a great bar. BF was 500 and that included use of the ST rooms upstairs. Gals wanted 1 k ST and all drinks, LDs included, were 100 Baht. Mark, the manager had the gals trained well. You could take one upstairs and then 30 min later another and not a word of displeasure from the 1st. I must have done 20 plus gals out of that bar over a few years period. Also used to let us have private parties upstairs, which was a full gogo room with a stage. They'd provide a bartender and we'd barfine a bunch of gals, have full use of the ST rooms, and have fun. Crazy fun. And they did not charge a thing for it. We'd normally have 5 or 6 guys in for the party. Those were good times. Probably easy for you to see why GoGos hold no thrill for me today.

[QUOTE=Forest;2231217]In 2015, I gave the young lady something like 3500 baht a day.

SNIP

What is a reasonable amount of money to pay her for her guiding (and other) services? I want to be fair, but I do not want to be fleeced. Thanks, F.[/QUOTE]What you paid back in 2015 should be good enough. Some discerning gents might even say you overpaid back then. But hey, its your money and your time. You like the girl and as long as she she shows you a good time, consider the money well spent.

Don't bother much about prices.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2231250]The Arab was the first to employ coyotes, or as I refer to them "bait girls. " he started this soon after he bought his first bar, Midnight. It was the beginning of Cowboy being a great destination. Before he bought it. Midnight was a great bar. BF was 500 and that included use of the ST rooms upstairs. Gals wanted 1 k ST and all drinks, LDs included, were 100 Baht. Mark, the manager had the gals trained well. You could take one upstairs and then 30 min later another and not a word of displeasure from the 1st. I must have done 20 plus gals out of that bar over a few years period. Also used to let us have private parties upstairs, which was a full gogo room with a stage. They'd provide a bartender and we'd barfine a bunch of gals, have full use of the ST rooms, and have fun. Crazy fun. And they did not charge a thing for it. We'd normally have 5 or 6 guys in for the party. Those were good times. Probably easy for you to see why GoGos hold no thrill for me today.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you must have meant to type, "It was the beginning of the END of Cowboy being a great destination," right?

Yes, a long time Bangkok visitor friend of mine from the USA came back about 4 years ago after being absent for few years and one of the first places he wanted to go was Midnight. He was all excited when he saw the hot, non-barfineable "Coyotes" standing outside the bar and dragging us in. I did not tell him what I already knew would be the case on the hope that it wouldn't be as bad as I thought and, who knows, maybe his experienced input would change the outcome.

Nope. All the girl worth looking at, in fact virtually all the girls period, were working outside and were hired only to drag customers inside to buy a drink. There was not a girl inside the bar other than the servers and as soon as the hot "Coyote" got her overpriced Lady Drink she was gone with the wind right back outside to drag in the next sucker. My friend could not believe how much the entire soi had deteriorated as a fun and rewarding P4P destination worth the money.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2231170]Those bars offered a break from the standard; strange, quirky, filled with interesting people, Well, I guess I am just getting old and ranting about the "good old times"! The latest devlopments in LK Metro in Pattaya shows that diversity in the bar industry is possible, but for some weird reasons this is not what we see in Bangkok right now.[/QUOTE]Great spot on analysis of the changing landscape in Bangkok. I would add another 2 of my own favorites that have fallen by the wayside, Bangkok Beat and New Wave. Perhaps it is just the aging process that brings on nostalgia for the past, that said despite what's gone and the present formula driven business models if you follow a path less travelled when least expected there are still memorable experiences to be had in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2231316]I'm sure you must have meant to type, "It was the beginning of the END of Cowboy being a great destination," right?

Yes, a long time Bangkok visitor friend of mine from the USA came back about 4 years ago after being absent for few years and one of the first places he wanted to go was Midnight. He was all excited when he saw the hot, non-barfineable "Coyotes" standing outside the bar and dragging us in. I did not tell him what I already knew would be the case on the hope that it wouldn't be as bad as I thought and, who knows, maybe his experienced input would change the outcome.

Nope. All the girl worth looking at, in fact virtually all the girls period, were working outside and were hired only to drag customers inside to buy a drink. There was not a girl inside the bar other than the servers and as soon as the hot "Coyote" got her overpriced Lady Drink she was gone with the wind right back outside to drag in the next sucker. My friend could not believe how much the entire soi had deteriorated as a fun and rewarding P4P destination worth the money.[/QUOTE]Funnily enough I went to Midnight for the first time yesterday, just randomly as I saw this Amazon-esque tanned, tall girl outside with the most amazing figure.

After checking it's not a ladyboy bar, I went inside and a bit surprised there were only a couple of customers inside. Some of the dancers are really hot, I got a lady drink for the one I saw at the entrance and she was dirty dancing on my lap soon enough.

But 280 bt for a lady drink is a bit steep, and when I asked how much was bar fine (more out of curiosity at this early stage) she said she only drinks and all of the other dancers were the same. Then she pointed to only one girl who could be barfined and tbh, I'm not sure she was a girl.

I won't be going back.

Midnight used to be a fun bar prior to the Arab, but I think it was also the first bar on Soi Cowboy to have a few lady boys. And that was also prior to the Arab.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2231166]True, but the fact that bars started opening up worldwide called Coyote Ugly with girls dancing exactly as they had in that movie Coyote Ugly and girls in bars worldwide were called Coyote girls when they dressed in short shorts and cut off tops had everything to do with the movie and nothing to do with a coyote biting his leg off.

But that is fantastic trivia! Thanks for sharing.[/QUOTE]Please refer to the famous Urban dictionary for future good fun idioms. And if have one that is not in the dict they will award you with a Coffee Cup for your donation. I am sure if anyone has a new slang it would be Smoothy.

RL.

Hey guys, in Nana Plaza, when you first walk into the plaza, what's the name of the first bar to the left on the ground level? (not big dogs bar, I mean the one actually inside nana plaza). I think the one to the right of it is Bunnies, but I forget the name of the first bar there to the left. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2231386]Hey guys, in Nana Plaza, when you first walk into the plaza, what's the name of the first bar to the left on the ground level? (not big dogs bar, I mean the one actually inside nana plaza). I think the one to the right of it is Bunnies, but I forget the name of the first bar there to the left. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Unless it has changed names again, that one is Lollipop. Used to be Suckers. And it might have been Lollipop before that, too.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2230588]Hey Smoothy, I don't know where you stay in BKK, I don't care, but all the hotels where I stay are Guest Friendly. In BKK that means no ID checking of any kind and no limit on the number of girls I can bring in. For example, I had 3 girls over in my hotel room a couple of nights ago. We had a great time. The staff did not blink an eyelid.

Perhaps this particular discussion belongs in the "Stupid Shit in Thailand" thread because frankly, you really surprise me Smoothy. Please say it ain't so. Say you were high on Tequila or something and didn't know what you were posting. OhMyFuckingBuddha.

I hate the ID checking at the front of Nana. I view it as an unwarranted incursion, an affront, and more importantly it is a sign that slowly, very slowly, a transformation of our adult, no holds barred playground known as LOS is being redesigned into an antiseptic, politically correct, no sex shadow of its former self.

Look at recent changes:

1. American Bar / Food Chain Hooters opens up across from Nana competing with all the old school hostess bars on Soi 4 (no barfines at Hooters / just American BS with Thai girls) - unbelievable a few years ago. "Somebody give me a cheeseburger." Know where that quote comes from? I will give you a hint: "Living in the USA"
2. No barfine Go Go girls in Go Go's. Again unbelievable a few years ago.
3. Now, no girls under 20 allowed in NANA Go Go's ? and cops stationed permanently at the front door to check. What the fuck! And what's wrong with an 18 year old? Some of my best girls were 18/19 years old.

All these changes are ominous and portend no good. OK. I have said what I wanted to say. It's now time to take a taxi over to Mini's new apartment. I havn't seen her new place since I arrived. I am looking forward to this afternoon and evening with her. We are going to have some fun.[/QUOTE]Hey Natty, I was wanting to message you but your inbox is full.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2231139]Man, do we ever have different taste in women. I thought she was the only one of those girls dancing at the Coyote Ugly bar who was not hot. She's a plain jane in my eyes.[/QUOTE]I'm going to go thru your posts and identify girls you referred to as hot and session them. If Piper Perabo is a plain Jane then your hot girls have got to be super gorgeous.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2231506]I'm going to go thru your posts and identify girls you referred to as hot and session them. If Piper Perabo is a plain Jane then your hot girls have got to be super gorgeous.[/QUOTE]It's all relative. She'd be my last pick in this photo.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2231335]Midnight used to be a fun bar prior to the Arab, but I think it was also the first bar on Soi Cowboy to have a few lady boys. And that was also prior to the Arab.[/QUOTE]I remember one ladyboy back in the day. She'd waitress on occasion and dance on occasion.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2231509]It's all relative. She'd be my last pick in this photo.[/QUOTE]Other than the Caucasian nose and blond hair, she could almost be the twin of my current main Thai girlfriend. Talking about when Perabo was very young, that is. My GF is 21 years old now. But I get the "Plain Jane" thing. I really do. I am very much into her, but the fact is for all the basically fine bone structure and even features, that kind of "beauty" can be a bit boring. My GF stays overnight at least 2 times per week and is always hot to trot, essentially a full and complete "2-holer" for me anytime (I'm just not into butt-play and have no impression that she is up for it at all). But even from the beginning she did not cause a rise in me nearly as naturally or effortlessly as girls far less fortunate at birth in the looks department.

[QUOTE=Youthagainsttt;2231328]Funnily enough I went to Midnight for the first time yesterday, just randomly as I saw this Amazon-esque tanned, tall girl outside with the most amazing figure.

After checking it's not a ladyboy bar, I went inside and a bit surprised there were only a couple of customers inside. Some of the dancers are really hot, I got a lady drink for the one I saw at the entrance and she was dirty dancing on my lap soon enough.

But 280 bt for a lady drink is a bit steep, and when I asked how much was bar fine (more out of curiosity at this early stage) she said she only drinks and all of the other dancers were the same. Then she pointed to only one girl who could be barfined and tbh, I'm not sure she was a girl.

I won't be going back.[/QUOTE]Our friends back home see those YouTube videos of Soi Cowboy and all the girls standing outside the bars, looking even better on video than they do in person and I always wonder what they think is the reason almost every man of any ethnic origin on those videos just keeps walking by, ignoring the girls, tugging their hands and arms away from the girls trying to drag them in. LOL.

I mean, all those bars offer hot girls for cheap and easy sex, right? That's the theory anyway. Do they think none of those guys wants to have cheap and easy sex with those girls? Do they think the guys are ignoring and avoiding them because there are even hotter, cheaper and easier to have sex with girls further down the soi? Places where no cameras are able to capture videos for YouTube?

It's sometimes hard to convince our friends who have never been here yet that the reason very few if any of the guys on those videos take the bait and go into the bars with those girls is because only 1-2 experiences with scammer "Coyotes" teaches us an important and memorable lesson about very hot girls trying to drag us into bars on Soi Cowboy and elsewhere around town.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2231231]I'd open with 2000 and aim for 2000-4000 per day, especially if you don't need her services 24/7. You won't get a professional Nana dancer for that kind of money (she can get that much for and ST and do several per night), but for an average looking semi-pro in her 30's, that should be enough, especially if you have some chemistry. Of course, if you're really old and going for a great looker in her 20's, it might cost you more.

I think these sorts of extended arrangements with working girls are mostly the thing of the past (even a simple LT is not so common). Back before 2010 or so, almost any working girl was really eager for a multi-day arrangement (a working vacation with guaranteed income and sponsor potential! Alas, times have changed, and while it's apparently still possible, it's no longer easy to arrange, or great value for money. Personally, beyond an hour or two of sex, I have no interest in staying with a girl who'd rather be elsewhere and shows it.[/QUOTE]My cute "semi "-pro was offered 3200 baht after first suggesting that she name her price. She replied "I won't sleep with you for 3200 baht" and had not been heard from again.

Another somewhat prettier girl was propositioned for her time and I offered the same amount. I am willing to pay much more if they strike me as really fun. Once I have a established a price, the young lady will undergo an interview by whatsapp before the final invite. And if she turns out to be poison, I will deep six her after date #1. Fortunately, there are lots of options in BKK!

[QUOTE=Forest;2231647]...Once I have a established a price, the young lady will undergo an interview by whatsapp before the final invite. And if she turns out to be poison, I will deep six her after date #1. Fortunately, there are lots of options in BKK![/QUOTE]I would recommend using Line instead of Whatsapp. It seems to be the most popular messaging app in Thailand by far. I haven't run across anyone offering their Whatsapp info in a number of years.

Cheers,

FT.

[QUOTE=FoxTwo;2231687]I would recommend using Line instead of Whatsapp. It seems to be the most popular messaging app in Thailand by far. I haven't run across anyone offering their Whatsapp info in a number of years.

Cheers,

FT.[/QUOTE]True LINE is more popular here but some girls are on both or everything. LINE is almost unheard of in some other western counties. Hard to understand why. I use it globally (and Whatsapp).

I like LINE having Hidden contacts and Hidden Chats. It used to have a wonderful feature of option to have messages auto deleted a set number of minutes after being read. Auto cleanup of evidence. Unfortunately they took that feature away.

Does Whatsapp have video calls the days? Does it have any nice secrecy features or do I need to use a separate monger phone? I wouldn't ask if I could see these features sitting there obvious. Not a Whatsapp expert.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2231725]True LINE is more popular here but some girls are on both or everything. LINE is almost unheard of in some other western counties. Hard to understand why. I use it globally (and Whatsapp).

I like LINE having Hidden contacts and Hidden Chats. It used to have a wonderful feature of option to have messages auto deleted a set number of minutes after being read. Auto cleanup of evidence. Unfortunately they took that feature away.

Does Whatsapp have video calls the days? Does it have any nice secrecy features or do I need to use a separate monger phone? I wouldn't ask if I could see these features sitting there obvious. Not a Whatsapp expert.[/QUOTE]I've had Line for many years, but I think it sucks for anything other than video chat. Then again, I have not spent a lot of time researching features on Line simply because it's not a popular app outside Thailand.

Yes, Whatsapp has video calls and I much prefer it over Line as an app. Whatsapp has been the app of choice for many years now in Indonesia and it's become popular all over the world recently as well. I really don't know any country other than Thailand where Line is popular.

I don't know of any secrecy features in either Line or Whatapp because I am a single guy and I don't worry about someone checking my phone.

I do have a question about Line. How can I stop it from displaying a message on my phone even when it's locked? Whatsapp does not do that. I don't want any messages coming onto my screen when the phone is locked, but Line messages always do.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2231817]I've had Line for many years, but I think it sucks for anything other than video chat. Then again, I have not spent a lot of time researching features on Line simply because it's not a popular app outside Thailand.

Yes, Whatsapp has video calls and I much prefer it over Line as an app. Whatsapp has been the app of choice for many years now in Indonesia and it's become popular all over the world recently as well. I really don't know any country other than Thailand where Line is popular.

I don't know of any secrecy features in either Line or Whatapp because I am a single guy and I don't worry about someone checking my phone.

I do have a question about Line. How can I stop it from displaying a message on my phone even when it's locked? Whatsapp does not do that. I don't want any messages coming onto my screen when the phone is locked, but Line messages always do.[/QUOTE]I have eliminated Line messages popping up on my locked screen a couple of times, usually after a phone update or something that returns settings to their default mode. But I am not 100% sure I recall how I did it. For one, I think you need to go into your phone settings, not Line settings. I have an Android phone and I go to Settings, then Notifications and "Select which apps you want to receive notifications from." In my case, I am fine with being notified that I have a new Line message, so I slide the switch to the On position for the Line app, but I don't want the name of the Line friend or any part of their message popping up on my locked screen. So to eliminate that, open Line, tap the Person/Contact icon, tap the Settings cog icon up in the right corner, go to General settings, choose Notifications and scroll down to where it says, "Message previews". I believe that is the option you want to uncheck.

Again, doing only that last part in the Line app won't stop notifications of a new message from popping up on your locked screen or down from the top of the screen page wherever you are at the moment. That is done in your phone's settings. But it will stop telling everyone who can see your locked screen who just sent you a Line message. I think. Try it anyway.

You can also select and designate Hidden Users, the feature Syzy mentioned. At least I think that will do what he wants to do. I'm not sure because I live alone too so I am not so concerned about hiding users. Also, a relatively new feature on Line is the ability to go back into a conversation and "unsend" a message or photo. And it doesn't seem to matter how far back you sent the message or photo. I've done it more than 30 minutes after sending a message I realized I did not want the recipient to see after all. It helps when you have accidentally sent a reply to one girl but meant it to go to another, as I have done a few times, and want to "unsend" it before she sees it. LOL. Unfortunately, it does replace it with a message saying, "ET has unsent a message". So you'll have to tap dance an excuse that you spelled too many things wrong and worried that she could never get a decent Google Translate out of it or whatever. LOL. To "unsend" a message on Line, you long press on the message or photo until the options pop up for what to do with it. Then tap "Unsend".

Don't confuse that with "Delete". If you "Delete" the message, which also pops up as an option when you long press the message or photo, that only means YOU (or someone else on your side) will not see it anymore. But the person on the other side of the conversation will still see it and will have no indication that you deleted it on your side. And in that case, I don't believe it leaves a tell-tale sign that anything was deleted on your side.

I will be visiting Bangkok for 2 days 8th and 9th October. Please suggest me.

1. A good nuru massage with FS.

2. Russian girls for ST.

3. MP with A+.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2231839]I have eliminated Line messages popping up on my locked screen a couple of times, usually after a phone update or something that returns settings to their default mode. But I am not 100% sure I recall how I did it. For one, I think you need to go into your phone settings, not Line settings. I have an Android phone and I go to Settings, then Notifications and "Select which apps you want to receive notifications from." In my case, I am fine with being notified that I have a new Line message, so I slide the switch to the On position for the Line app, but I don't want the name of the Line friend or any part of their message popping up on my locked screen. So to eliminate that, open Line, tap the Person/Contact icon, tap the Settings cog icon up in the right corner, go to General settings, choose Notifications and scroll down to where it says, "Message previews". I believe that is the option you want to uncheck.

Again, doing only that last part in the Line app won't stop notifications of a new message from popping up on your locked screen or down from the top of the screen page wherever you are at the moment. That is done in your phone's settings. But it will stop telling everyone who can see your locked screen who just sent you a Line message. I think. Try it anyway.

You can also select and designate Hidden Users, the feature Syzy mentioned. At least I think that will do what he wants to do. I'm not sure because I live alone too so I am not so concerned about hiding users. Also, a relatively new feature on Line is the ability to go back into a conversation and "unsend" a message or photo. And it doesn't seem to matter how far back you sent the message or photo. I've done it more than 30 minutes after sending a message I realized I did not want the recipient to see after all. It helps when you have accidentally sent a reply to one girl but meant it to go to another, as I have done a few times, and want to "unsend" it before she sees it. LOL. Unfortunately, it does replace it with a message saying, "ET has unsent a message". So you'll have to tap dance an excuse that you spelled too many things wrong and worried that she could never get a decent Google Translate out of it or whatever. LOL. To "unsend" a message on Line, you long press on the message or photo until the options pop up for what to do with it. Then tap "Unsend".

Don't confuse that with "Delete". If you "Delete" the message, which also pops up as an option when you long press the message or photo, that only means YOU (or someone else on your side) will not see it anymore. But the person on the other side of the conversation will still see it and will have no indication that you deleted it on your side. And in that case, I don't believe it leaves a tell-tale sign that anything was deleted on your side.[/QUOTE]I have any notifications from line disabled and I have done that thru the settings in Line and also in my phone settings. Except for calls I don't get any notifications from line at all. Hidden users are for people on your friends list that you don't want displayed as friends, you will receive messages from them and any likes or comments on their timeline will come thru.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2232097]I have any notifications from line disabled and I have done that thru the settings in Line and also in my phone settings. Except for calls I don't get any notifications from line at all. Hidden users are for people on your friends list that you don't want displayed as friends, you will receive messages from them and any likes or comments on their timeline will come thru.[/QUOTE]I would comment that Can have a popup notifying there is a message but not previewing it. I use that way, so it does not how any part of the message or who it is from.

There is also now an unsend feature, as ET mentions, to Delete messages from both the sender and receiver, if you accidentally send a message to wrong person which could be very embarrassing. I have used Unsend.

Next you need to have a password or pattern lock on LINE to stop prying. I also have hidden Contacts so if someone looks over my shoulder at list of Contacts, we don't see a lot of girly profile pics. I would prefer to have an option not to show a contact's pics too. I don't think any App has that.

Once you hide a contact, I don't think can send a message to them in the chat stream without unhiding them first. That is a weakness.

In the end a small monger phone with its own phone number is best and make sure your regular family does not see the monger phone in use, naturally set to silent and do not disturb mostly. Just pretend is a backup phone for use only if main phone malfunctions and is off for repairs. Even could keep a flat battery in it or just remove battery (keep somewhere else hidden), to be replaced by a charged battery when ready to use for a period, as a super extra precaution, in case is found by a hound dog detective.

My current GF is not a hound dog dectective ( I used to have such a GF previously), however she is not stupid. Evidence of anything is easily noticed, e.g. condoms, medications, lube disappearing that was not used with her, messages popping up on a phone too often, etc.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2232147]
There is also now an unsend feature, as ET mentions, to Delete messages from both the sender and receiver, if you accidentally send a message to wrong person which could be very embarrassing. I have used Unsend.[/QUOTE]Whatsapp also has that feature.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2232097] Hidden users are for people on your friends list that you don't want displayed as friends, you will receive messages from them and any likes or comments on their timeline will come thru.[/QUOTE]There is also a wonderful feature that is nice variation of that. I have a friend who I don't want to hide in terms of our chats or having her as a visible Line Friend. But, damn, every day two or three dozen photos of make-up, clothes, cars, flowers or some such crap show up on Timeline telling me and whoever else is a Line Friend of hers that she "liked" those photos.

Well, in the Timeline I looked at one of her "likes" of a flower or whatever and tapped on the three horizontal menu dots in the upper right corner of the post. In there I was able to choose "Hide all posts from this user". It will hide all those damned annoying daily Timeline "likes" of hers but NOT hide her posts in my regular chat section. Ah, blessed relief!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2232180]Whatsapp also has that feature.[/QUOTE]How about the stickers on Whatsapp? Are they automatically sent the instant you touch one or do you get to preview each one with a single tap and then send them to the conversation with a second tap? Line does the latter and I really appreciate that I will not accidentally send a "Kiss Kiss Kiss" sticker to the very wrong person by mistake. Don't laugh; the available stickers on these apps are very important, imo. They fill in a ton of lovey-dovey stuff that does not require translation or much effort yet the girls really respond well to them. Line has some very good free stickers and great low cost sticker sets you can buy.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2232193]How about the stickers on Whatsapp? Are they automatically sent the instant you touch one or do you get to preview each one with a single tap and then send them to the conversation with a second tap? Line does the latter and I really appreciate that I will not accidentally send a "Kiss Kiss Kiss" sticker to the very wrong person by mistake. Don't laugh; the available stickers on these apps are very important, imo. They fill in a ton of lovey-dovey stuff that does not require translation or much effort yet the girls really respond well to them. Line has some very good free stickers and great low cost sticker sets you can buy.[/QUOTE]If you actually like those stickers, then Line is better. Those stickers are one of the reasons I do not like Line.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2232246]If you actually like those stickers, then Line is better. Those stickers are one of the reasons I do not like Line.[/QUOTE]LOL. I have Line but over time it has become cluttered with contacts I never initiated. And I keep getting mickey mouse gifs and all kind of infantile junk that means nothing to me. Is Today's youth relinquishing language to embrace some new visual hyerogliphic system of communication?

Plus I never figured out how to change the settings to English so that I don't get bombarded with messages and news in Thai.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2232246]If you actually like those stickers, then Line is better. Those stickers are one of the reasons I do not like Line.[/QUOTE]LOL. Some of those cute kissy heart stickers are better leg openers for regular non P4P girls than 5 Ladydrinks and agreeing to 3,500 baht plus the fee for the room for a ST in the room upstairs for a go-go dancer. Her improved mood due to relief that you are not such a serious farang man after all before setting up a date is palpable within seconds of sending it.

Dumb question here, but given they're every few feet, any recommendations in BKK Nana area for an actual good massage where the focus isn't the "happy ending".

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2232857]Dumb question here, but given they're every few feet, any recommendations in BKK Nana area for an actual good massage where the focus isn't the "happy ending".[/QUOTE]You can try one of the many Health Land spas. I take some of the girls I really like. They have rooms for 2. Don't take the 9000+ baht package it's not worth it.

[URL]www.healthlandspa.com/en/spa-&-massage/Packages[/URL]

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2232857]Dumb question here, but given they're every few feet, any recommendations in BKK Nana area for an actual good massage where the focus isn't the "happy ending".[/QUOTE]Yes, wish I could remember the name of the place I visited with my buddy and his girlfriend. It was across the Soi from Wood Bar, but not directly across. If my memory serves, it had a sitting area in front that would seat about 10 customers. The girls were older and did not dress sexy. Base massage was about 600 baht per hour.

If you can wait a week for the name, send me a PM and I'll give it to you. I'll be there in a few days.

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2232857]Dumb question here, but given they're every few feet, any recommendations in BKK Nana area for an actual good massage where the focus isn't the "happy ending".[/QUOTE]Not a dumb question at all. One of the best things about Thailand is the cheap, high quality massages. As long as the place doesn't have any emphasis on presentation of the females. Along Sukhumvit you should find some places where the women sit out front, often older and unattractive women who are supposed to be the best at giving a true massage. I came across a place across from the Ruamchitt Hotel where I was staying, that was good. Young, dark and plain girls from Isaan in the traditional skirt offering massage upstairs in a stuffy, non-air conditioned space. But, what a good, traditional and slightly painful Thai massage (a good Thai massage will hurt a bit) for 350. The tiny girl who serviced me walked up and down my back. Best money I spent in Thailand, after a 25 hour journey in coach.

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2232857]Dumb question here, but given they're every few feet, any recommendations in BKK Nana area for an actual good massage where the focus isn't the "happy ending".[/QUOTE]Raintree Spa, Sukhumvit Soi 11. Nice place, good massage and no happy endings or things like that.

I hung for a bit in Thermae last night, there was some excellent talent. However, I ended going over there after a fat dinner and a long walk so by the time I made it, I wasn't really in the mood being too hot and cheesy so I ended up just BSing with another falang. The place was packed with Asians and not surprisingly, a bunch of Chinese who were pushing and shoving as usual and I was real tempted to knock out the next one who tried to shove me out of the way. Say what you want about the Japanses and ROKs, but they are very polite.

I noticed that the older ladies are very falang friendly and will make eye contact and smile but the Asian Rorita types won't. There were also some very young looking ones who smiled and made eye contact, I would definitely be asking for IDs!

I got quoted 3 K by a cutie for ST and I just smiled and begged off, if I was ready to rock I would have worked it because she was hot. The dude I was hanging with got quoted 2500 by another, he begged off too. He lives here too so hey, there are always options.

I like the Thermae these days as a hangout, My drinks are cheap, the show is great and the little old waiter dudes know me and treat me right. Too bad the Chinese spoiled it last night.

By the way, as I was going in, the BIBs were coming out. They had a booth / checkpoint set up near there too.

My request again. If anyone knows of a decent venue in Thonburi or elsewhere, please share.

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2232857]Dumb question here, but given they're every few feet, any recommendations in BKK Nana area for an actual good massage where the focus isn't the "happy ending".[/QUOTE]Health land or Let's Relax. Several branches.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2232931]Yes, wish I could remember the name of the place I visited with my buddy and his girlfriend. It was across the Soi from Wood Bar, but not directly across. If my memory serves, it had a sitting area in front that would seat about 10 customers. The girls were older and did not dress sexy. Base massage was about 600 baht per hour.

If you can wait a week for the name, send me a PM and I'll give it to you. I'll be there in a few days.[/QUOTE]Most likely its my go to massage only shop called Tarntip, on the left Soi 7/1 about 50 meters from Sukhumvit. Prices are reasonable Thai 300 Oil 500, facilities are good as is massage quality. Most masseuses are competent my own favorite is a girl called Nid.

Before heading off to Angeles City, I was able to spend one night in Bangkok because I had an early flight in the morning. Around 9 ish, I did a quick stroll through Thermae for shrimp fried rice and to people watch a bit. It's always entertaining to watch all the funny characters do their thing at Thermae. Men scared of certain girls and girls scared of certain men. I did a couple of rounds along the track and didn't see anything that I wanted to poke with my dick. That was until I was headed back to my room nearby. Towards the back and on the way out, I ran into one of my favorites, if not my favorite girl, from Pattaya named Kwan. I've reviewed her before many times in the Pattaya thread. It was a bit weird not seeing her half naked with those big and natural perky tits in a bikini or lingerie, but rather a dress. When I first met her at 19, a couple of years ago, she was a show model at Imagine Club on Walking Street and scared of dick. It cost 8,000 baht plus 2000 barfine to have sex with her ST. That's probably a weeks mongering budget for most punters. She then switched from show model to being a regular dance model for What's Up, so her pricing dropped to 5,000 plus 2000 barfine for ST. She recently did another switch to a different club, named Panda with pricing at 3,000 plus 2000 barfine (1,500 after 1 am). Last time I took her at Panda, she told me that her weekends are now spent in BKK and she would be working Thermae. Low and behold, look who Monkeypaw saw smoking a cigarette in the back this night? After being disappointed at the talent in Thermae, I was so excited to have laid my eyes on this beauty. We did some quick catch up chat and she then agreed to to go short time suck and fuck, to my room, which was across the way at Four Points Sheraton for only 2500! Simply amazing. Because I've previously dropped 10,000 on this same girl 2 years ago. Anyways, I was lucky she was there this weekend, as she gave me the same awesome service that she has always provided. For being only 21 years old, Kwan knows how to fuck like a pro and please a man, from she will take a bath with you, to how she arches her back doggy. Even the way she looks at you while sucking dick, she is GFE in every which way imaginable. She allows CIM with me, thanks to the fact I drink a pineapple juice everyday to sweet up my jizz. She says it's yummy and sweet. However, Kwan has a bad habit and smokes a lot, so expect to find her at Thermae where the fat old lady sits collecting 5 baht by the back. That's where all the girls at Thermae who smoke go do their business. That's also where I once saw this guy take a leak and didn't wash his hands afterwards. When I saw him talking and touching this poor girl later, I had no problem walking up to them both and letting her know that he didn't wash his hands in the bathroom. Cleanliness is next to godliness. Anyways, after our session, I still believe that Kwan the most banging natural body with nicest tits that I've fucked. Coupled with that cute girl face, she is still Monkeypaw's all time favorite. So of course, that's why I resist shooting my cum on that face of hers. She's that special.

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2232857]Dumb question here, but given they're every few feet, any recommendations in BKK Nana area for an actual good massage where the focus isn't the "happy ending".[/QUOTE]Tarntip Massage Suk 7/1 is a legit massage shop on a naughty soi:

[URL]Http://www.tarntipmassage-spa.com[/URL]

SL.

Dear Seniors,

I was on a sojourn to do as many nationalities as I can in one night. Was able to meet Thai, Viet, Russian and Uzbek ladies. But no luck with Arabs. Any idea where I can find some? I visited grace. But seemed more east european than Arab to me? Let me know. I am here for next 6 months. So willing to re-visit some of the places.

On a side note. With the increase in Coyotes, Barfines and the general ask from the GoGo girls; Thermae and some massage shops seems to make more sense to me. Especially if you are able to find some good-looking girls there! E. g. , One evening in GoGo will at least cost me 1 k for drinks (min) + 700 barfine + 3 k for ST; while if I find a good looking girl in MP, can have 2 shots in a relaxed environment for 2. 5 k! And it's not very difficult to find one in Suk 22 area, where there are bunch of MPs. Same with Thermae - 2-3 k and you get what you want.

Just my personal 2 cents. Maybe some people love the GoGo game. So makes more sense for them. But I think I will stick to freelancer pickups and MPs for some time!

Safe Mongering,

LC.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2233079]That's also where I once saw this guy take a leak and didn't wash his hands afterwards. When I saw him talking and touching this poor girl later, I had no problem walking up to them both and letting her know that he didn't wash his hands in the bathroom. Cleanliness is next to godliness. [/QUOTE]Mr. Paw,

I truly enjoy your posts, but like your Ping Pong Ball technique from a few posts back, you seem to have the habit of being a jerk off when you don't need to be and acting in a fashion that would get your butt kicked. Ill take you at your word that your Daddy is a big shot, but the only place I really go to these days in that area is Thermae. If you see a fat happy falang, please don't mess with me in any fashion that would cause me to. Well. Get irritated. Since I am old, I have very little to lose. Plus my roof gets very mad at me when he has to smooth things over. Panemayete, moi droog?

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2233396]Dear Seniors,

I was on a sojourn to do as many nationalities as I can in one night. Was able to meet Thai, Viet, Russian and Uzbek ladies. But no luck with Arabs. Any idea where I can find some? I visited grace. But seemed more east european than Arab to me? Let me know. I am here for next 6 months. So willing to re-visit some of the places.

On a side note. With the increase in Coyotes, Barfines and the general ask from the GoGo girls; Thermae and some massage shops seems to make more sense to me. Especially if you are able to find some good-looking girls there! E. g. , One evening in GoGo will at least cost me 1 k for drinks (min) + 700 barfine + 3 k for ST; while if I find a good looking girl in MP, can have 2 shots in a relaxed environment for 2. 5 k! And it's not very difficult to find one in Suk 22 area, where there are bunch of MPs. Same with Thermae - 2-3 k and you get what you want..[/QUOTE]IMHO, GoGos are for big spending tourists or long term expats who speak Thai.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2233405]IMHO, GoGos are for big spending tourists or long term expats who speak Thai.[/QUOTE]If you live in a big city in the western world gogos still represent cheap fun. If you budget say 5000 for an outing it is US $ 150. That still represents a lot of fun for your money compared to some mundane shit you can do in say Toronto, LA or London for the same price. Hell I just got my 2 year old car serviced last week and it was $750, could have gotten my dick sucked 5 times for that in BKK.

I agree on your comments in regards to MR Paw but hell no one is perfect.

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2233550]If you live in a big city in the western world gogos still represent cheap fun. If you budget say 5000 for an outing it is US $ 150. That still represents a lot of fun for your money compared to some mundane shit you can do in say Toronto, LA or London for the same price. Hell I just got my 2 year old car serviced last week and it was $750, could have gotten my dick sucked 5 times for that in BKK.

I agree on your comments in regards to MR Paw but hell no one is perfect.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with the West vs East Comparison price wise and even fun wise. Unfortunately, at my age and the number of GoGos or strip Bars I have been to, they are boring. I do hit Crazy House once in a while and may even do Nana this weekend just because I can.

Its a PITA though when you live in Thonburi and spend your days wandering. Saturday I rolled down on the train to Mae Khlong, by the time I got back it was 3's time. So when I do do a Go Go or even Suk, its during the week or Friday night.

Mr. Paw seems to be a lot of fun. But, If I was partying with him, I would worry he would [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] the wrong person off. You never know who is sitting next to you. The BIB are all over Sukhamvit, and when I saw them coming out of Thermae, I know that times are a changing. Perhaps its a natural reaction to the InyourFace development of the Fun Zone, especially on the net. The funnest things to do are sometimes the stuff that's kept quiet. Starting shit with random folks isn't keeping things quiet, especially when people have been known to die over a misunderstanding or a slight.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2233404]Mr. Paw,

I truly enjoy your posts, but like your Ping Pong Ball technique from a few posts back, you seem to have the habit of being a jerk off when you don't need to be and acting in a fashion that would get your butt kicked. Ill take you at your word that your Daddy is a big shot, but the only place I really go to these days in that area is Thermae. If you see a fat happy falang, please don't mess with me in any fashion that would cause me to. Well. Get irritated. Since I am old, I have very little to lose. Plus my roof gets very mad at me when he has to smooth things over. Panemayete, moi droog?[/QUOTE]Thank you for saying what I've been meaning to say. I don't really understand what drives some folks to act like a walking douche. It is just as as easy to be nice to people and let shit roll than it is to be a douche. And to go of your way to humiliate people is just flat out warped. I don't care how entertaining he is, I refuse to read MPs posts. If he becomes human at some point, please let me know.

So I've been in BKK for a few nights now. I am not really into the go go bars mainly due to the hustle and the inflated prices. I guess I've gotten spoiled in South America and the Caribbean where you can have many girls for just dinner and drinks. Essentially non pro's. This is where you pay the girl to essentially leave not come with you. But I've heard about Thailand and I wanted to give it a try. The Thai girl looks are attractive to me.

My best luck so far in BKK has been the freelancers on the street. Did have two good connections off ThaiFriendly which I will report on separately. I like the young talent around Hooters. You can sit and watch, observe and for 1,000-1,500 baht st its not bad.

Went to Thermae last night for the first time. Interesting concept. Great people watching which I love. There was only one girl there that caught my attention but she wouldn't make eye contact with me so I take it that means she's not into the American blanco. The struggle is real.

Here for another 4 nights.

She's been reviewed on here before I see. From ThaiFriendly, interestingly enough I was adding her line ID and she just messaged me. You need to be in BKK before she will carry on a conversation. But 2,000 BHT, massage, full service and comes to you. Anything but anal. BBBJ with CIM no problem. Nice girl, polite, respectful. No rush. Good massage, OK BJ, but nice little body that you can position anyway you want.

She actually looked better in person than the photo's she sent me.

Upload of photo failed twice on this site so just search her screen name on TF.

Thanks for your post. It's very helpful.

In your opinion, what will be the easiest way to score a 8+ type one, if you can be open to a budget of 10-12 k for 6-12 HR. What I will hate doing is to venture an evening and hours in night and land up paying 5-6 k for an average one for few hours in desperation.

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2233396]Dear Seniors,

I was on a sojourn to do as many nationalities as I can in one night. Was able to meet Thai, Viet, Russian and Uzbek ladies. But no luck with Arabs. Any idea where I can find some? I visited grace. But seemed more east european than Arab to me? Let me know. I am here for next 6 months. So willing to re-visit some of the places.

On a side note. With the increase in Coyotes, Barfines and the general ask from the GoGo girls; Thermae and some massage shops seems to make more sense to me. Especially if you are able to find some good-looking girls there! E. g. , One evening in GoGo will at least cost me 1 k for drinks (min) + 700 barfine + 3 k for ST; while if I find a good looking girl in MP, can have 2 shots in a relaxed environment for 2. 5 k! And it's not very difficult to find one in Suk 22 area, where there are bunch of MPs. Same with Thermae - 2-3 k and you get what you want..[/QUOTE]

I read somewhere there were black girls here in BKK. On Sukhumvit between Nana and Cowboy around the McD's and 7-11. Haven't seen any in my time here. Am I looking in the right place?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2233603]I refuse to read MPs posts. If he becomes human at some point, please let me know.[/QUOTE]Well it took quite some time for monkeys to evolve into humans, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
I think we have to take his stories with a big grain of salt. He's visiting the clubs and barfining girls, that's for sure. But he's making up all kinds of stories and fantasies around it.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2233603]Thank you for saying what I've been meaning to say. I don't really understand what drives some folks to act like a walking douche. It is just as as easy to be nice to people and let shit roll than it is to be a douche. And to go of your way to humiliate people is just flat out warped. I don't care how entertaining he is, I refuse to read MPs posts. If he becomes human at some point, please let me know.[/QUOTE]Yet you are still thinking about him. LOL.

We can ignore posters without putting them on the ignore list. When a poster is clearly writing a lot of bullshit, one can glance at the first line and lose interest immediately. Same could apply to my posts, re many will lose interest. LOL Then simply don't bother to read. All done! We just don't need to care about the content if of no interest.

I don't even known much about MP posts generally (mostly unread) and don't comment unless there is a topic of interest. I could not resist to write about the Pong balls though, as is such a stupid irritating thing in bars. Perhaps I will resist in future. If no one comments on his posts, he will get bored with writing it maybe.

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2233655]I read somewhere there were black girls here in BKK. On Sukhumvit between Nana and Cowboy around the McD's and 7-11. Haven't seen any in my time here. Am I looking in the right place?[/QUOTE]Previously could not be missed (night time latish try midnight+ or 2 am on odd Sois side). Have the police actually cleaned them out? LOL 98% not doable in my view, but I was looking for slim good body and pretty. LOL. Did try one who was crap. Poor luck. Have seen one or two hotties but very rarely.

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2233655]I read somewhere there were black girls here in BKK. On Sukhumvit between Nana and Cowboy around the McD's and 7-11. Haven't seen any in my time here. Am I looking in the right place?[/QUOTE]I saw a couple by the pedestrian bridge across sukhamvit between soi 11 and 13. They were super aggressive and had a couple really big guys hanging out with them. They accosted an drunk guy who was in front of me and then one of them turned their eyes on me. She started grabbing my arm and I pushed her away and swore at her in Spanish (they were really accosting the guy in front of me) and one of the "handlers" made a move towards us when I pushed her away but I didn't stop, I just went up the bridge and across.

If you read about some African chicks working there and it is these I think taking one home would be a really, really bad idea. I think the best case would be you get roofied and wake up and all your shit is gone.

The ignore button makes reading the forum so much more enjoyable and useful. Instead of engaging in meaningless acrimonious exchanges I feel it should be used by those who get agitated at other members posts. What you don't know won't bother you.

Unfortunately it doesn't completely eliminate contributions from your ignore list as they still appear when they are replied to. While no need to read them and accepting it's probably a tricky fix it would be nice if they didn't appear at all.

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2233609]So I've been in BKK for a few nights now. I am not really into the go go bars mainly due to the hustle and the inflated prices. I guess I've gotten spoiled in South America and the Caribbean where you can have many girls for just dinner and drinks. Essentially non pro's. This is where you pay the girl to essentially leave not come with you. But I've heard about Thailand and I wanted to give it a try. The Thai girl looks are attractive to me.

My best luck so far in BKK has been the freelancers on the street. Did have two good connections off ThaiFriendly which I will report on separately. I like the young talent around Hooters. You can sit and watch, observe and for 1,000-1,500 baht st its not bad.

Went to Thermae last night for the first time. Interesting concept. Great people watching which I love. There was only one girl there that caught my attention but she wouldn't make eye contact with me so I take it that means she's not into the American blanco. The struggle is real.

Here for another 4 nights.[/QUOTE]"Struggle is real" - funny!

You might want to check out a couple of places if you are into freelancers. One is Biergarten on Soi 7 during day time. Plenty of old hags there but a gem could be found every so often. At night, I recommend the bar on Soi 7/1 (Bangkok beats? Not sure). Plenty of free lancers there. Different talent than street or Biergarten. Of course, Nana parking lot at closing is a show in and of itself to behold! Post more reports! We can live vicarious through you!

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2233655]I read somewhere there were black girls here in BKK. On Sukhumvit between Nana and Cowboy around the McD's and 7-11. Haven't seen any in my time here. Am I looking in the right place?[/QUOTE]They are near Soi 3-5 - side streets and main street. Not worth it IMO. I read here some of them tend to steal as well.

[QUOTE=Crypton;2234023]"Struggle is real" - funny!

You might want to check out a couple of places if you are into freelancers. One is Biergarten on Soi 7 during day time. Plenty of old hags there but a gem could be found every so often. At night, I recommend the bar on Soi 7/1 (Bangkok beats? Not sure). Plenty of free lancers there. Different talent than street or Biergarten. Of course, Nana parking lot at closing is a show in and of itself to behold! Post more reports! We can live vicarious through you![/QUOTE]Bangkok Beats has been closed for a while now.

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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2233688]Well it took quite some time for monkeys to evolve into humans, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
I think we have to take his stories with a big grain of salt. He's visiting the clubs and barfining girls, that's for sure. But he's making up all kinds of stories and fantasies around it.[/QUOTE]Bravo Mogwai. Well said, most of his post its like erotic stories for me, LOL.

In the Grab with my driver, and he suggested it as an alternative to Poseidon. I told him I'm not really interested in anything but my destination, but has anyone done recon on the place? Can't seem to find anything in the in-forum searches and Google just brings up listings from the place itself.

[QUOTE=Advantageous;2234109]In the Grab with my driver, and he suggested it as an alternative to Poseidon. I told him I'm not really interested in anything but my destination, but has anyone done recon on the place? Can't seem to find anything in the in-forum searches and Google just brings up listings from the place itself.[/QUOTE]From facebook I see has been open 3 years. Probably taking up business from closed Soapy / entertainment places.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/MariaEntertainment/[/URL]

[URL]http://maria-entertainment.com/[/URL]

Looks up market so worth a look for those that were Lord patrons.

Beware it is possible the taxi driver would wait for a kickback for taking you there, which would end up on your bill somehow. I would prefer to arrive on foot from motorcycle just in case.

Its only about 100m from Poseidon on opposite side.

Wachita was my second connection off TF. I messaged her the first day I got into BKK. She told me right away she was freelancer. She gave me her Line ID and we chatted. She seemed a little chatty but told me she would come to me for 3,000 BHT and no CIM or Anal. I told her well those are all the things I like. She then said "ok". Then after 5 days of more chatting, saying she's coming and not showing up I gave up. Then this morning she says I coming to see you let's grab lunch. I cave and meet her for lunch.

We'the already agreed to the services and the price 5 days ago so there was no need to rehash the deal. We enjoyed a nice lunch across the street from my hotel. She then came back to the suite. In talking to her I gathered she's not from BKK and is just here making a little money before heading back home. She had a great attitude and started playing some music, gave me a lap dance and asked if we could play pool afterwards. Seemed odd compared to other girls I'the seen so far. She just was in no rush but I think she's seriously looking for a husband. I got the entire life story.

Eventually, she started the BBBJ. Best one this trip. She's got no tits but a nice small 98 pound body and fucks good. She got on top and enjoyed herself. This position does nothing for me but I enjoy watching a girl this way. She then took it in the ass quiet well for a tiny little thing.

After I am pretty much ready for her to leave and I need my afternoon nap. But she wants to go play pool. I made some shit up about the places not being open yet. So then she asked if I could walk with her down the street to look around. We strolled down to Terminal 21 walked around the mall and being closer to her place at Soi 21 I told her she should take a cab. She literally spent 5 hours with me in all. Great attitude for a freelancer but if we'the spent another couple of hours together I may have involuntarily gotten married. This gets back to my earlier post on Caribbean girls. You literally pay them to leave in the morning.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2234001] If you read about some African chicks working there and it is these I think taking one home would be a really, really bad idea. I think the best case would be you get roofied and wake up and all your shit is gone.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip. I literally haven't seen one this entire week. But with that attitude I will wait for Haiti again where they are more than nice and submissive.

Pretty dead last night at Nana, I went to Diamond Girls is it (I am so bad on place names except for Crazy Horse where I go most of the time), on the 1st floor near the escalator only because the Coyote outside was so scrawny and eel like. I have been there before a few times. I had a few drinks, played around with the girls and waitresses for a bit, tried to get the pathetic crowd of sad looking Asians fired up a bit then took off 600 B baht poorer but all revved up. I probably could have had the Coyote because me and the fat Mamasan have a little thing going but I'm a frugal fat guy and avoid barfines like I avoid liberal Democrats. One of the waitresses was a tip begger but she was massaging my legs so I stuffed a 20 B note down her aged and scrawny chest which the dancers loved. So for less that $20, I had a hour or so of amusement. I wandered around looking at the girls on the street, nothing caught my eye but it was like 10:30. I then held my nose and walked down Soi 3 to Grace with the thought of finding some roundeye. Nothing really there and the ones that were had enough cottage cheese on their thighs to feed a NYC chick diet club. I forgot the Ayrabs like them fleshy. Took a leisurely walk to Thermae, plenty of ladyboys and street vendors, the worm guy was out slithering along the sidewalk, no Africans at all. Thermae was packed, but the Chinese are ruining it due to their rudeness, again, I was close to decking one for pushing and shoving. One of the older girls tell me that the Chinese are despised for their total rudeness. I chatted with a few hotties in broken Thai and Japanese, a lot of them seem to recognize me because I pop in their twice a week or so, usually just for the show and a drink. I spied one I wanted, but he who hesitates is lost and some other falang got there first. Too bad for her, I would have been faster. So I bagged it and walked off to Asoke BTS to be a cheap Charlie and avoid the taxi cab. Got waylaid by a total little hottie near Mickey DS, where you go, blah blah blah, ehhhhhh, I live Bang Wa, me go home with you! So I took her on a date to Mickey DS (150 B), she had her own Rabbit Card and off we went. Got her some snacks at 7-11 near my crib, gave her my 3 minutes of steamy love, turned the AC up to freezing and let her watch Thai movies at full blast on the big screen. Finally at 3 ish I called her a Grab, gave her 600 B for cab fare and got her Line. Since her Grab was 50 B, she was happy and kissed my nose.

Just another day in paradise!

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2233655]I read somewhere there were black girls here in BKK. On Sukhumvit between Nana and Cowboy around the McD's and 7-11. Haven't seen any in my time here. Am I looking in the right place?[/QUOTE]I was there a month ago. I mostly saw them when Nana and cowboy closed. A group of them were always out sitting in those white chairs near Nana where the food is being cooked.

There's not a lot of post aimed towards black guys in Thailand, so I wanted to write about a few of my experiences. Especially if you're a dark skinned Black American. First, I would like to say that if you're a Black American in Bangkok you should definitely carry your passport at night. I was only in Bangkok for 3 days and I was stopped by cops all 3 days! At first I didn't get why until the cop said he thought I was Nigerian. Once I showed them my American passport they were always nice and smiled, so it wasn't a big problem. Not sure why Thais don't like people from Nigeria.

Next, some advice I got from listening to a YouTube video about black guys in Thailand. Don't go for the first fat chick that shows you attention! You're going to get a little discouraged at first while you get the hang of things. A lot of Thai women won't respond to you, especially in Bangkok. I didn't get laid my first two days Bangkok. I'm 35, in shape, dressed nice. At first it seemed like only fat chicks and ladyboys would grab me and show me attention. The more attractive ones would turn their head or stare at the ground when you look at them or try to talk to them. I gave Soi Cowboy a try on my 2nd night there. I ended up spending 9000 baht in lady drinks, but couldn't get laid. I'm sure my bill was padded, but what can you do. The girls were willing to get drinks from me and dance in my lap, but they just won't come with me. I was at crazy house in the upstairs area. The ladyboy there (I think she's a mamasan or something) looked at me and the girl I was with and gave her the thumbs down, and had this disgusted look on her face. Got pulled into 2 other gogos with the same results, so I went back to my hotel. I remember at 4 am I couldn't sleep, so I went out thinking the girls will be more willing because it was so late. There were girls still out that I saw when I was out at 10 pm, and they still wouldn't talk to me! I didn't try any of the massage places in Bangkok, but did get offers from the guys that try to pull you in. Maybe things would have been different if I had gone to one. I finally got the hang of things on my 3rd day in Bangkok. Button down shirts helped a lot. I wore polo shirts the other days and I guess that isn't nice enough to Thai women. Nana Plaza and the girls around that area is the place to try out if you're a Black America. The girls at Nana were a lot more willing to be with me. Every gogo I went to in Nana Plaza I had girls coming up to me asking to be bar fined. The bills were always fair and never padded. Total opposite of my first two nights in Bangkok. Finally settled on a gorgeous 20 year old, 3000 baht ST with a 1000 bar fine. Might sound high to some, but I was happy to finally get laid by a girl I was actually attracted to.

I was off to Pattaya the very next morning. I have to say I loved it in Pattaya. Very few people seemed to care that I was black. Never had to carry my passport, cops never stopped me. Also, I noticed there were a lot more black guys and black families. You can't walk down Soi 6 without getting pulled in every direction. Walking street was great also. I don't know if this happens to most guys but be warned that you're going to have a ton of girls grabbing your cock through your pants. I remember being in one gogo talking to the girl I was interested in. She was kissing me and rubbing my pants, so I got excited. She says something in Thai and the next thing I know I have 4 different girls grabbing my cock. I like to walk down beach road at night for fun, but I never picked any of them. The percentage of them that were willing I would say was about 50/50. Tinder worked the best for me when I was Pattaya. The 10 bucks for Tinder plus is definitely worth it. Always check their profile on Tinder because a lot of girls post their Line ID or Snapchat names. You can just message them on Line instead of waiting for a match. I met so may 1000 baht ST girls this way. I gave Thai friendly a try but had very little luck. Definitely going back to Pattaya next year.

Side note: Bee at Hooters in Pattaya is an great waitress.

Hi guys,

Need some intel on Thai Friendly. I see people posting good stuff about their exp with the site. I was wondering if it was worth getting their premium membership. I will be there for 2-3 days only. Is that worth it?

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2234136]I may have involuntarily gotten married. [/QUOTE]I would have married her.

[QUOTE=Apothecary;2234377]Hi guys,

Need some intel on Thai Friendly. I see people posting good stuff about their exp with the site. I was wondering if it was worth getting their premium membership. I will be there for 2-3 days only. Is that worth it?[/QUOTE]If you're only there for a few days you might find tinder more useful.

[QUOTE=Apothecary;2234377]Hi guys,

Need some intel on Thai Friendly. I see people posting good stuff about their exp with the site. I was wondering if it was worth getting their premium membership. I will be there for 2-3 days only. Is that worth it?[/QUOTE]For such a short period, isn't worth it IMHO (could be worth if you stay for 2 weeks or more). Just be direct about what you looking for and included your Line ID / ask for their Line ID in the first message, so you can move the chat on Line after the first message without waiting 10 min for send a 2nd message.

[QUOTE=Apothecary;2234377]Hi guys,

Need some intel on Thai Friendly. I see people posting good stuff about their exp with the site. I was wondering if it was worth getting their premium membership. I will be there for 2-3 days only. Is that worth it?[/QUOTE]You can buy 1 months minimum membership. I had 5 days in May and I thought it was worth it. You will be time poor so 10 minutes between messages is agonising compared to unlimited where as you can be working multiple girls for what's best for you. Start your 1 months membership to end on the day after you leave Thailand and that way if you meet some of the 5% of girls who are not WGs you have time to groom so they are comfortable meeting you.

My perspective is that I am investing time and money into my holidays in Thailand so I don't mind investing a little extra to improve my ROI.

[QUOTE=Apothecary;2234377]Hi guys,

Need some intel on Thai Friendly. I see people posting good stuff about their exp with the site. I was wondering if it was worth getting their premium membership. I will be there for 2-3 days only. Is that worth it?[/QUOTE]I am using it while here. Found two off the site but as it was mentioned it would be best for a long term stay. I got the premium account the day I arrived. Sent out some messages and within minutes had responses.

Like any dating site, there are many freelancers. But your profile and pictures need to be on. If you're not getting responses check your profile and rethink it.

Started off in RB4. Not a really special bar at all and behind Billboard. Two or 3 girls had pretty faces. Some had stunning high asses like nice full peaches. Majority of girls not slim enough for my taste. 80% overweight to pudgy. Natty be had the best girl in the place already. His choice was excellent.

At some point the girls took their bras off. This was a big improvement, as now some really nice sets could be seen, and we could realise that actual percentage of silicones was maybe only 20%. Only two or 3 girls had weird hairstyles. The patrons were almost all Japanese and Chinese. Only 2 other Farangs in the place. Maybe this is Asian guy taste here.

The girls with nice tits were not generally the same as girls with great asses and faces. Blonde No. 3 might be an exception. Very nice tits on good package. 76 was nice although face just a little bit ordinary. No. 5 looked great but disappeared quickly, not sure where. The next set went back to being non topless. Bad idea. No remaining girl seemed to be the full package. Very few rate a 7 out of 10, and maybe one or two 8's if can get to them.

Decided to call in to Enter bar, looking for some girl. She was not there. In any case found 2 or 3 girls quickly to be attractive, but most were acting shy and disinterested. My immediate impression was to like the lineup much more than RB4, even both bars had quite a few very average girls. The reason was obvious to me, the Enter girls are almost all natural, no surgeries, no nose jobs. More natural good looks in the old style.

Went to 5 Star (Cowboy) looking for a particular girl I intended to barfine. I had seen her dancing nude before. Was not there. However could not take my eyes off Oi. Stunning slim body scores a 9 for me (face very pleasant 7+). When sitting next to me she was not talkative. Just answered questions briefly. She was 20 YO. At this point, I should know the chemistry was not good enough. I asked what sort of guys she likes and she did not know, or could not answer. She claimed to have moved from Kings Corner Pat Pong and had better customers at 5 Star (Farangs I guess). Probably does not like Japanese. She was so hot looking I could not resist barfining her. Mistake! Turned out she was not restrictive but a star fish type. I did get it off but not very enjoyable really. Definitely no repeat. My original missing target girl would have been the better choice, I believe. Very different personality.

Heard a rumour that Crazy House 2 is starting construction about now, but was not clear the exact location. Does not seem to be Old Dutch which had previous rumours.

Decided to have a look in Thermae before going home. Very full at 11.30 PM. Even 3 or 4 girls I would do. Started chatting to one moderately cute. I said I had no intention to choose a girl. She was keen on me, because she was Lao and could not speak English or Japanese. Works normally at a hairdresser near the airport. If the end she me an offer for the whole night that seemed attractive. When she got her clothes and makeup off, her looks were really quite ordinary. Her bra had been stuffed with tissues (which I suspected). So I should have known her tits were not much. Minor baby damage.

Turned out that we were moderately compatible, except for sex. Her BBBJ was quite okay My dick could only go in 3. 5 inches before hitting an obstacle and her pussy grip was weak. I suspected a sponge, but turned out was just a very low uterus. I was feeling like a pornstar only allowed half penetration, with remainder staying out for the cameras. LOL Her pussy seemed to be cone shaped, wide enough at opening but narrowing quickly to the uterus. The feeling was crap and given a condom as well, my dick was just not going to stay up. I never had poor feeling like this with my regular girls.

Have not had even one girl worth repeating in last 5 attempts at Thermae. Poor luck I guess. I much prefer a place where I can see better what the body is like, although don't get to know the pussy in depth detail. LOL Don't know if will try again.

Today probably go to regular pretty MP girl.

Thank you all for great advice. I am open to get premium, it's far cheaper than my prior SA memberships.

I have already sent out few messages, I am hoping to get some response and based on that I may decide to get the premium. Since there are so many other options in BKK, I was debating what's the advantage and if it is at all worth spending time on such sites. But I do see both sides now Let's see if I get any hits and I will take it from there.

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2234742]I am using it while here. Found two off the site but as it was mentioned it would be best for a long term stay. I got the premium account the day I arrived. Sent out some messages and within minutes had responses.

Like any dating site, there are many freelancers. But your profile and pictures need to be on. If you're not getting responses check your profile and rethink it.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=RobJones;2234654]You can buy 1 months minimum membership. I had 5 days in May and I thought it was worth it. You will be time poor so 10 minutes between messages is agonising compared to unlimited where as you can be working multiple girls for what's best for you. Start your 1 months membership to end on the day after you leave Thailand and that way if you meet some of the 5% of girls who are not WGs you have time to groom so they are comfortable meeting you.

My perspective is that I am investing time and money into my holidays in Thailand so I don't mind investing a little extra to improve my ROI.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ChristianG;2234643]For such a short period, isn't worth it IMHO (could be worth if you stay for 2 weeks or more). Just be direct about what you looking for and included your Line ID / ask for their Line ID in the first message, so you can move the chat on Line after the first message without waiting 10 min for send a 2nd message.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=VeryScary;2234551]If you're only there for a few days you might find tinder more useful.[/QUOTE]

As I mentioned before, when I first got to BKK I strolled through the Nana and Cowboy areas popping into the GoGo bars and really not feeling the vide. My game was mainly on TF and freelancers.

Yesterday met up with MonkeyPaw for a quick bite to eat and I decided to tag along with him and give this GoGo venue another chance.

Started by walking into Baccara, sat down next to the Mamasan and had a great view. In my opinion this place had the best looking girls by far. We were early around 8 PM so decided to continue the tour and headed to Billboards. Some nice selection there as well. Then on to Rainbow 2 which is mainly Japanese but some interesting people watching and a few younger cute girls. Then on to Rainbow 4 to see the difference in clubs and girls. Definitely not my preference. Continuing the tour I walked in and out of Lollipop without stopping.

Realizing that as late as it was the hot girls at Baccara were probably gone so we decided to head back to Billboards. The one hot girl I liked from before I couldn't find. I think #93. Great tight ass. But the selection was still good. Pulled a short little cute one down for a drink and a closer look. #818 I think. Great little body but up close and personal her face just wasn't doing it for me. MP had his pick and was enjoying a drink when I needed a little help with the catch and release. His girl told her the news that I wanted to keep looking. I honestly thought she was going to cry but politely left. Later in the bathroom I saw her putting makeup on. A few minutes later I pulled another one down. Overall the most balanced girl. Ass, tits and face. It was late and she was ready to go. 700 BF and 3,000 for the girl. She was good, BBBJ, many positions and in no rush. Fucked her like 35-45 minutes straight without one complaint. I can go long and like a good workout.

Overall I will go back to Baccara. Best girls second to none in my opinion. Best seats, service and cleanliness.

MonkeyPaw was a great host for this newcomer. Enjoyed his guidance and recommendations. The fun part is watching and learning the game.

More to come.

OMG. Dude, your description is a bit haunting. I hope not to get a nightmare after reading this.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2234754]Started off in RB4. Not a really special bar at all and behind Billboard. Two or 3 girls had pretty faces. Some had stunning high asses like nice full peaches. Majority of girls not slim enough for my taste. 80% overweight to pudgy. Natty be had the best girl in the place already. His choice was excellent.

At some point the girls took their bras off. This was a big improvement, as now some really nice sets could be seen, and we could realise that actual percentage of silicones was maybe only 20%. Only two or 3 girls had weird hairstyles. The patrons were almost all Japanese and Chinese. Only 2 other Farangs in the place. Maybe this is Asian guy taste here.

The girls with nice tits were not generally the same as girls with great asses and faces. Blonde No. 3 might be an exception. Very nice tits on good package. 76 was nice although face just a little bit ordinary. No. 5 looked great but disappeared quickly, not sure where. The next set went back to being non topless. Bad idea. No remaining girl seemed to be the full package. Very few rate a 7 out of 10, and maybe one or two 8's if can get to them.

Decided to call in to Enter bar, looking for some girl. She was not there. In any case found 2 or 3 girls quickly to be attractive, but most were acting shy and disinterested. My immediate impression was to like the lineup much more than RB4, even both bars had quite a few very average girls. The reason was obvious to me, the Enter girls are almost all natural, no surgeries, no nose jobs. More natural good looks in the old style...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2234754]Started off in RB4. Not a really special bar at all and behind Billboard. Two or 3 girls had pretty faces. Some had stunning high asses like nice full peaches. Majority of girls not slim enough for my taste. 80% overweight to pudgy. Natty be had the best girl in the place already. His choice was excellent.

At some point the girls took their bras off. This was a big improvement, as now some really nice sets could be seen, and we could realise that actual percentage of silicones was maybe only 20%. Only two or 3 girls had weird hairstyles. The patrons were almost all Japanese and Chinese. Only 2 other Farangs in the place. Maybe this is Asian guy taste here.

The girls with nice tits were not generally the same as girls with great asses and faces. Blonde No. 3 might be an exception. Very nice tits on good package. 76 was nice although face just a little bit ordinary. No. 5 looked great but disappeared quickly... SNIP[/QUOTE]FYI to save you and others some money and headaches. Number 5 is Asian only and she likes them under 30 years old. She's about 5 foot tall, petite, with a tone body and small boobs. Cute as heck in the face with braces. Her name is BB. She is anti-falang and anti-Monkeypaw. I was there last night with another board member and she kept rolling her eyes at me. I think he also thought she was the best girl at Rainbow 4. She used to be my "main" girl there when she first started and we often see each other outside the club for free. Then she got pissed off because, well Monkeypaw does what he always does. Fucked all her friends as well. Save your lady drink money. This is she right?

[QUOTE=VeryScary;2234364]Being black in Bangkok[/QUOTE]Interesting to walk a mile in your shoes. I admire your patience, persistence and attitude as you sorted things out and ended up having a great time. Regarding the Nigerians, they are strongly associated with the drug trade, so you got the once over for impersonating one. Glad the USA passport helped out and that you were treated fairly.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2234754]Shitty night and mistakes made. Dick doing too much of the thinking.[/QUOTE]Another interesting read. Even experienced guys have an off night. I try to recognize it and change things up. My enemy is overthinking and not listening to Mr Dick when it is on to something.

On a different topic, I made fewer mistakes as I have learned to cut way back on how many drinks I consume. SMG light is easier on me and I don't always finish them if I know I'm moving on. I'll stop ordering a drink for myself if I am buying lady drinks. That's worked out great a few times, as I like a girl with a buzz on.

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2234742]I am using it while here. Found two off the site but as it was mentioned it would be best for a long term stay. I got the premium account the day I arrived. Sent out some messages and within minutes had responses.

Like any dating site, there are many freelancers. But your profile and pictures need to be on. If you're not getting responses check your profile and rethink it.[/QUOTE]I hook up with ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid Freelancers and non pros often. I do live in Bangkok. In my case, I generally surf around the selections and prefer to wait until a girl clicks Interested in me. I get much better results that way than when I click Interested in the girl first, even if her profile says she is open to meeting men of my age and all that. I find that, like most of these things, it runs in waves; I will go 3-4 days with so little Interest from girls who would remotely fit my specs I have to check my profile and pics to see if they have gone blank and then, bam, get bombarded with so many Interests from eager and hungry Freelancers and non pros on that fifth day I barely have time to reply and chat/negotiate with two at a time while three more are leaving multiple messages wondering why I have not responded yet!

So if anyone has signed on during one of those disturbing lulls for his particular profile and pic, it can really mislead them into thinking the site does not work for him at all. Still, I agree with you that your pics and profile have to be up to snuff. Problem is, what does that mean, right? Big smile and Jai Dee appearance required at a minimum I suppose.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2234799] I find that, like most of these things, it runs in waves; I will go 3-4 days with so little Interest from girls who would remotely fit my specs I have to check my profile and pics to see if they have gone blank and then, bam, get bombarded with so many Interests from eager and hungry Freelancers and non pros on that fifth day I barely have time to reply and chat/negotiate with two at a time while three more are leaving multiple messages wondering why I have not responded yet![/QUOTE]I think the more active you are on the site the higher you end in the girls' search results. That might explain anyway why you get bombarded after 3-4 days absence.

[QUOTE=VeryScary;2234364]There's not a lot of post aimed towards black guys in Thailand, so I wanted to write about a few of my experiences. Especially if you're a dark skinned Black American. First, I would like to say that if you're a Black American in Bangkok you should definitely carry your passport at night. I was only in Bangkok for 3 days and I was stopped by cops all 3 days! At first I didn't get why until the cop said he thought I was Nigerian. Once I showed them my American passport they were always nice and smiled, so it wasn't a big problem. Not sure why Thais don't like people from Nigeria.

Next, some advice I got from listening to a YouTube video about black guys in Thailand. Don't go for the first fat chick that shows you attention! You're going to get a little discouraged at first while you get the hang of things. A lot of Thai women won't respond to you, especially in Bangkok. I didn't get laid my first two days Bangkok.[/QUOTE]If you are worried about racism, maybe you should try Cameroon or Angola. Plenty of hot black sluts who would love to go with a black guy. I love those 2 countries for action.

Nigerians have ruined all of Asia for black guys by giving them a bad rep with their lies, scams, and drug dealing. Of course not all Nigerians are bad, but there are definitely many in Asia who are bad guys. A while ago, Indonesia was on the brink of passing a law that would require any foreigner to pay 50,000 usd to marry a local Indonesian girl because Nigerians were marrying local girls, bringing them back to Nigeria and selling them off as sex slaves. In my apartment complex in Jakarta, there were 7 deaths in the past 10 years, all related to Nigerians either shooting a cop when the cops came to arrest them or throwing girls off of their apartment balcony (admittedly, the girls may have jumped rather than been thrown off, but it's an odd coincidence that they all had Nigerian drug dealer boyfriends).

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2234841]I think the more active you are on the site the higher you end in the girls' search results. That might explain anyway why you get bombarded after 3-4 days absence.[/QUOTE]You're right that just going on the site to look around triggers a greater awareness of your pic and profile.

But what I meant to say was that I can sometimes go on the site 3-4 days in a row, view many cute girls' profiles and pics and get no corresponding reaction or response from either my viewing their profiles or them seeing mine. Then after 3-4 days of that, several suitable or better girls will click Interested in me and want to hook up all at once on the fifth day. Bearing in mind my style (for best results in my case) is generally not to click Interested in the girl first. So it isn't that I was absent from the site. I had been present on the site, not "hidden" while online and girls were made better aware of and viewing my profile and pics.

Not sure why my style works best for me. But I have noticed many girls viewing my profile and pics, same girl multiple times I mean, and if I click Interested in her first she gives a minimal reply and then runs and hides. But if I wait them out until they click Interested first, most of the time I can have them naked in my room by nightfall. If I want.

[QUOTE=Achmmc;2234783]
On a different topic, I made fewer mistakes as I have learned to cut way back on how many drinks I consume. SMG light is easier on me and I don't always finish them if I know I'm moving on. I'll stop ordering a drink for myself if I am buying lady drinks. That's worked out great a few times, as I like a girl with a buzz on.[/QUOTE]I don't drink alcohol at all before sex, only after, as a general rule. Today my dick works just fine with my regular MP girl, so decided was just a mismatch. Not every pussy is equal.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2234844]Not sure why my style works best for me. [/QUOTE]Maybe because you look like Brad Pitt?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2234849]Maybe because you look like Brad Pitt?[/QUOTE]Yeah. At the beginning of The Curious Case of Benjamin Button.

[QUOTE=VeryScary;2234364].................I was off to Pattaya the very next morning. I have to say I loved it in Pattaya. Very few people seemed to care that I was black. Never had to carry my passport, cops never stopped me. Also, I noticed there were a lot more black guys and black families. You can't walk down Soi 6 without getting pulled in every direction. Walking street was great also. I don't know if this happens to most guys but be warned that you're going to have a ton of girls grabbing your cock through your pants. I remember being in one gogo talking to the girl I was interested in. She was kissing me and rubbing my pants, so I got excited. She says something in Thai and the next thing I know I have 4 different girls grabbing my cock. I like to walk down beach road at night for fun, but I never picked any of them. The percentage of them that were willing I would say was about 50/50. Tinder worked the best for me when I was Pattaya. The 10 bucks for Tinder plus is definitely worth it. Always check their profile on Tinder because a lot of girls post their Line ID or Snapchat names. You can just message them on Line instead of waiting for a match. I met so may 1000 baht ST girls this way. I gave Thai friendly a try but had very little luck. Definitely going back to Pattaya next year.................[/QUOTE]Some years ago a black work acquaintance of mine visited Pattaya. When he returned he told me of the attention he got from the working girls there calling out to him "chocolate man" running up to him, grabbing him and tugging at his junk. He said he thought he got more attention than other blokes. He never mentioned partaking of the carnal delights and I never mentioned my experiences as I don't ever discuss this hobby at work.

I have nothing against any people there, I had visit that area for quite a few times, but one experience made my whole perception towards this place a bad idea for tourist to visit. It was 2 months ago where I decided to take a walk on the Soi Cowboy and maybe I could get a nice lady for ST or maybe LT fun. As I walk along the soi, Many bar girls has been trying to poach me for a drink inside their bars, I am the kind of slow & relax kinda person as I am on holiday here and not in rush. Up until walking pass one bar (I forgot the name of the bar), one particular girl grab my hand and won't let go, usually they let go when I reject but this girl is persistence, she ask me to come and have a seat and orders a drink, one for her as well. I thought okay just one drink makes no harm. She actually looks good, pretty and speak my language, not even warming the chair for 5 minutes, she ask if I wanted to go ST with her in nearby hotel. The beer I ordered just came and not even 10% consumed, if she take it slowly I might go with her, but she keep pushing me for answer even when I say I wanted to finish the beer and maybe I would think about it. She keep pushing and pushing and up to a point eventually I rejected her, saying I wanted to finish the beer first. She then suddenly turn red face and angry, and shouting and cursing me as if I kill her whole family, demanding me to leave immediately and don't waste her time. The whole smiley welcome face has change into vengeance faces within 5 minutes. She even spit on me! I can't believe it! I remained calm and finish my beer ASAP, then I leave, during the whole fiasco all the girls, the bar guards, and even the lady manager around notice her behavior but no one come to say anything. In this way I already know that this is their way of doing business, they don't care, "unless they get business, if not you just get loss" kinda attitude gave me a very bad impression on this area. So I won't visit Soi cowboy again after this. I understand not everyone or every bar do it like this, but nonetheless, I won't be back to Soi Cowboy again, at least for now.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2234770]FYI to save you and others some money and headaches. Number 5 is Asian only and she likes them under 30 years old. She's about 5 foot tall, petite, with a tone body and small boobs. Cute as heck in the face with braces. Her name is BB. She is anti-falang and anti-Monkeypaw. I was there last night with another board member and she kept rolling her eyes at me. I think he also thought she was the best girl at Rainbow 4. She used to be my "main" girl there when she first started and we often see each other outside the club for free. Then she got pissed off because, well Monkeypaw does what he always does. Fucked all her friends as well. Save your lady drink money. This is she right?[/QUOTE]So you are not Farang? Otherwise you post seems self contradictory. Under 30? LOL I was well over that on my first major trip 27 years ago.

Yeh that is her. I only spotted her dancing for about 5 minutes or less. The big eye look probably from coloured contact lenses. I could see Jap guys would go for her most likely. She was one of the best overall lookers, after Natty's girl. No. 3 blonde also looked good except for hairstyle. Did not really like that many others. A lot of pudgy girls. A lot trying to look western which I also don't go for.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2234859]Yeah. At the beginning of The Curious Case of Benjamin Button.[/QUOTE]So you are just a very old kid? Like so many of us, once a kid stuck in an old body, but starting to get grumpy with old age. Although maybe Benjamin had a very old head on a younger body, I forget now.

Something is wrong with me though, I am starting to like girls with a good 5 years fucking experience as a minimum. Girls that only started fucking recently are usually bad. LOL This means I start to prefer girls at least 25, unless they started masturbating and fucking at age 15 or 16.

Lucky I met my GF when she was 27, and at least some experience. She has improved with age on the bed, and is even horny more often since her life is less stressed.

I form the opinion that 20 YOs are a big risk unless can confirm that they are very experienced already. So I do have a couple of experienced regulars of that age. One is a bit too shy until get drinks into her. If I was under 30, I might prefer them. LOL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2234843]If you are worried about racism, maybe you should try Cameroon or Angola. Plenty of hot black sluts who would love to go with a black guy. I love those 2 countries for action.

Nigerians have ruined all of Asia for black guys by giving them a bad rep with their lies, scams, and drug dealing. Of course not all Nigerians are bad, but there are definitely many in Asia who are bad guys. A while ago, Indonesia was on the brink of passing a law that would require any foreigner to pay 50,000 usd to marry a local Indonesian girl because Nigerians were marrying local girls, bringing them back to Nigeria and selling them off as sex slaves. In my apartment complex in Jakarta, there were 7 deaths in the past 10 years, all related to Nigerians either shooting a cop when the cops came to arrest them or throwing girls off of their apartment balcony (admittedly, the girls may have jumped rather than been thrown off, but it's an odd coincidence that they all had Nigerian drug dealer boyfriends).[/QUOTE]I remember a few years ago reading about how the Nigerians would befriend the domestics in Hong Kong, which were mostly Indonesians. They reported how they would use the request for a loan of money from the ladies to send home to their mom who was sick and will die if not treated. Thus fleecing the ladies of their savings.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2234969]I remember a few years ago reading about how the Nigerians would befriend the domestics in Hong Kong, which were mostly Indonesians. They reported how they would use the request for a loan of money from the ladies to send home to their mom who was sick and will die if not treated. Thus fleecing the ladies of their savings.[/QUOTE]In my younger days, I worked with a guy from Nigeria. He had a very good job with a high salary, yet he was always scamming people. He never scammed me, but I was young and had no money back then. I asked him once why he did that and if he didn't think it to be unethical. He told me that Nigerian culture believes that if you can get away with something, then it's acceptable. That it's the responsibility of the other party to make sure they do not get scammed.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2234988]In my younger days, I worked with a guy from Nigeria. He had a very good job with a high salary, yet he was always scamming people. He never scammed me, but I was young and had no money back then. I asked him once why he did that and if he didn't think it to be unethical. He told me that Nigerian culture believes that if you can get away with something, then it's acceptable. That it's the responsibility of the other party to make sure they do not get scammed.[/QUOTE]Decades ago I was working in sales when quite a few immigrants from India came. They would never honor the initial agreements and kept asking for more. Most did last minute closing hold ups or wouldn't close.

Finally I asked a few if they didn't feel any shame or honor? The replies were that karma (God) placed a sucker in their paths for their benefit. The "sucker" must of had bad karma to be taken advantage of!

[QUOTE=Eric77;2234925]I have nothing against any people there, I had visit that area for quite a few times, but one experience made my whole perception towards this place a bad idea for tourist to visit. It was 2 months ago where I decided to take a walk on the Soi Cowboy and maybe I could get a nice lady for ST or maybe LT fun. As I walk along the soi, Many bar girls has been trying to poach me for a drink inside their bars, I am the kind of slow & relax kinda person as I am on holiday here and not in rush. Up until walking pass one bar (I forgot the name of the bar), one particular girl grab my hand and won't let go, usually they let go when I reject but this girl is persistence, she ask me to come and have a seat and orders a drink, one for her as well. I thought okay just one drink makes no harm. She actually looks good, pretty and speak my language, not even warming the chair for 5 minutes, she ask if I wanted to go ST with her in nearby hotel. The beer I ordered just came and not even 10% consumed, if she take it slowly I might go with her, but she keep pushing me for answer even when I say I wanted to finish the beer and maybe I would think about it. She keep pushing and pushing and up to a point eventually I rejected her, saying I wanted to finish the beer first. She then suddenly turn red face and angry, and shouting and cursing me as if I kill her whole family, demanding me to leave immediately and don't waste her time. The whole smiley welcome face has change into vengeance faces within 5 minutes. She even spit on me! I can't believe it! I remained calm and finish my beer ASAP, then I leave, during the whole fiasco all the girls, the bar guards, and even the lady manager around notice her behavior but no one come to say anything. In this way I already know that this is their way of doing business, they don't care, "unless they get business, if not you just get loss" kinda attitude gave me a very bad impression on this area. So I won't visit Soi cowboy again after this. I understand not everyone or every bar do it like this, but nonetheless, I won't be back to Soi Cowboy again, at least for now.[/QUOTE]You have just been extremely unlucky. I have never. After 10 years of going to Soi Cowboy. Experienced anything like this. Not even close. Normally the girls are laid back and will accept your decisions whatever they are. Some guys even sit the whole evening drinking their beer inside or outside bars. This particular girl probably had some personal problems, was using drugs or just plain out of her mind. It happens. My best advice is to forget it and try the area again. I am sure you will find it OK to enjoy your beer before making a decision to barfine.

Met up with MonkeyPaw early last night at Nana for some people watching. Hit Lollipops earlier to see if the talent was better than previous night. Definitely an improvement. Smaller, cute and young. Liked one girl, pulled her down for a drink and then later told her we're going to go to a few more bars, but when I come back if you're still here I want you to leave with me. She agreed. Then of course as we're just about to leave I see another nice little number. Nice ass, real tits and braces. So I take note.

Hit a few more clubs, didn't see anything better then the two back at Lollipop so we return. I watch them both and finally pull down the second girl for a closer look and chat. Timed my bathroom break just right and got to see her in the bathroom under the real lights. Back at the table I ask her if I BF her will she sit and talk for awhile. She agrees. 3,000 BHT ST. Then starts to show me pictures of her GF. Tells me she's coming in a few minutes and is more sexy than her. The GF comes and she's cute but I think my girl is still better. MonkeyPaw decides to pull the GF and we all sit together for a couple. My girl keeps asking if we can all go together and tells me she lives with her GF and they're "together". As much as the foursome sounded good we split and head our separate ways.

My girl was 20, looked real young, cute with some awesome natural tits. She loves oral and uses a lot of spit and gagging action. She's got this innocence about her and she's willing to submit. I am not big but they all tell me I am too long. They probably tell all the guys that. So she's giving me the BBBJ and tells me she love BJ but her GF doesn't. She tells me her GF only likes to fuck. I told her ok next time I bring you both back, you can suck me and I will fuck your GF. "No problem" she says. While she keeps sucking me she's asking me if I want to finish in her mouth. I said yes but I want to fuck you for awhile. I think she really didn't know what to think given she kept saying I am too long. So we go slow and we fuck. A lot of positions. Takes it slow and then gets into it. Now she's begging me to finish in her mouth. I keep going for awhile.

Time to finish so I put her on the floor with her head laying back on the edge of the bed. She sucks and gags a little more and then I tell her to open her mouth wide. I take control and jerk off a nice load in her mouth. She takes the whole thing and then gags as one shot heads down the hatch. She then brings it all up and she's now got cum from her mouth to her little pussy patch.

She tells me its her first time doing that. Not sure what to believe but I would definitely repeat her.

Thanks MP and thanks Bangkok for a great time.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2234934]So you are just a very old kid? Like so many of us, once a kid stuck in an old body, but starting to get grumpy with old age. Although maybe Benjamin had a very old head on a younger body, I forget now.

Something is wrong with me though, I am starting to like girls with a good 5 years fucking experience as a minimum. Girls that only started fucking recently are usually bad. LOL This means I start to prefer girls at least 25, unless they started masturbating and fucking at age 15 or 16.

Lucky I met my GF when she was 27, and at least some experience. She has improved with age on the bed, and is even horny more often since her life is less stressed.

I form the opinion that 20 YOs are a big risk unless can confirm that they are very experienced already. So I do have a couple of experienced regulars of that age. One is a bit too shy until get drinks into her. If I was under 30, I might prefer them. LOL.[/QUOTE]As I recall, the story at the beginning of the movie was Benjamin Button was born very old, then "aged" younger until he died as a baby. Weird but interesting movie. I thought Cate Blanchett was particularly good in it. As usual.

My preference on the dating sites is leaning toward early 30's these days, but there are still FLs and a few non pros in their 20s who come around. Unfortunately, the dating site math means you can't trust that they actually are in their early 30's when they say so on their profiles. Often means 40+ and that is when physical problems with Thai women start to manifest themselves; older looking faces, loose skin on the thighs and stomach.

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2235079]
My girl was 20, looked real young, cute with some awesome natural tits. [/QUOTE]I took that same girl 2 weeks ago. Those tits are silicone. The doctor did a good job though because they feel real. There seem to be a lot of girls at lollipop with silicone tits.

[QUOTE=Apothecary;2234377]Hi guys,

Need some intel on Thai Friendly. I see people posting good stuff about their exp with the site. I was wondering if it was worth getting their premium membership. I will be there for 2-3 days only. Is that worth it?[/QUOTE]Depends on what value you place on your time.

[QUOTE=Apothecary;2234377]Need some intel on Thai Friendly. I see people posting good stuff about their exp with the site. I was wondering if it was worth getting their premium membership. I will be there for 2-3 days only. Is that worth it?[/QUOTE]The proper way to use it is to set up a Line account, open a Thai Friendly account, set your location to Bangkok, and do some pipelining [I]before[/I] you arrive. The goal is to set up a few dates for the few days you're here (schedule the specific day / time if you can). You can safely schedule 3-4 per day (staggered), and if a date goes well, cancel the later ones for the day. Ideal time to do the pipelining is about 1-2 weeks ahead. Try it earlier, and many will lose interest, try it later, and you'll have too little time to make arrangements. If this sounds unappealing (that is, if you don't care to do the legwork or prefer your schedule not to revolve around meeting girls), the membership is probably not worth it.

If you only have a few days, do NOT start using Thai Friendly once you arrive. By that time, you should have the contacts in your Line app, and specific dates arranged. Otherwise, you'll waste an lot of time in a not-so-fun way, and are setting yourself up for disappointment. Much better to go for a PSE massage, then enjoy the sites and foo.

Keep in mind that there will be a certain number of flakes, no-shows or simply uninteresting girls, the last thing you need is to look forward to a date all day and get disappointed. Regarding dealing with flakes, it's good to set a hard time limit for yourself, 30 min after the arranged time and you're gone (it's too tempting to keep waiting and hoping, I've done this a few times, always to my detriment).

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2235040]You have just been extremely unlucky. I have never. After 10 years of going to Soi Cowboy. Experienced anything like this. Not even close. Normally the girls are laid back and will accept your decisions whatever they are. Some guys even sit the whole evening drinking their beer inside or outside bars. This particular girl probably had some personal problems, was using drugs or just plain out of her mind. It happens. My best advice is to forget it and try the area again. I am sure you will find it OK to enjoy your beer before making a decision to barfine.[/QUOTE]Thanks bro, yes maybe I would go Soi Cowboy again next time if I have friends who want to try there, but I won't recommend my friends there, I recently find another spot that has lots of nice beautiful girls, and the price is cheaper. I currently exploring Soi 22. Lots of massage centre along the road, I have explore the particular soi after JW Marriot Hotel, 2 small lanes right after the hotel, plenty of massage with extras, the price is slight cheaper and the girls's not bad. I got a 1700 bht, for full service for 1 HR, and even struck a deal for 8 hrs LT to hotel at 4000 bht. I will write my reviews soon later after I visited the place a few more times.

[B]Ride Home From Work Ends In Tragedy For Dollhouse Staff[/B]
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Always so sad to hear about this kind of thing.

Did anyone know Pia?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2235133]I took that same girl 2 weeks ago. Those tits are silicone. The doctor did a good job though because they feel real. There seem to be a lot of girls at lollipop with silicone tits.[/QUOTE]Soft, supple and no incision marks. In my line of work I know natural vs. Silicon. Perhaps you had a similar looking girl? Can you post some pictures?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2235195][B]Ride Home From Work Ends In Tragedy For Dollhouse Staff[/B]
[URL]https://www.stickboybkk.com/news/ride-home-work-ends-tragedy-dollhouse-staff/[/URL]

Always so sad to hear about this kind of thing.

Did anyone know Pia?[/QUOTE]Her pic is very pretty, so I would have liked her if met. Would be interesting to read if girls were very drunk or not. Motorcycles are dangerous anyway, but seeing the state of girls at 2 am+ coming out of the cowboy is a worry if they don't have a driver arranged. I hate seeing all those young motorcycle boys hanging around Soi 23 (probable pimps) waiting and drinking alcohol as well.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2235162] Regarding dealing with flakes, it's good to set a hard time limit for yourself, 30 min after the arranged time and you're gone (it's too tempting to keep waiting and hoping, I've done this a few times, always to my detriment).[/QUOTE]Unfortunately Thai girls may be the worst liars in the world re whether they will show up and what time, especially when they say they are "on the way" there or departed already. Seems to be ingrained in Thai culture, so does not really mean a particular girl is so bad. They are all unreliable in the extreme, and seem to feel the need to make huge bullshit on this topic! Even have seen my GF telling her own brother complete bullshit on the phone about being in a taxi on the way there, and she is normally quite an honest type. They just see it as exaggeration.

So I think many Thai girls will be at least 1 hour late. 30 mins is a tough number for girls to meet, but maybe good advice anyway, as long as they know you won't wait longer. Otherwise the guy will be blamed for not being there. LOL

How many times did a girl arrive within 30 mins of schedule? Ha Ha. Could be less than 10%.

For all of us who have been here long enough or know enough girls we unfortunately know a favorite girl or two who has succumb to a motorcycle accident. It's an unfortunate pitfall to befriending girls in this industry. If not killed, almost every girl has battle scars from falling off a motorbike. Like Syzy said, look at the state of some of them when they leave the bar.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2235220]Unfortunately Thai girls may be the worst liars in the world re whether they will show up and what time, especially when they say they are "on the way" there or departed already. Seems to be ingrained in Thai culture, so does not really mean a particular girl is so bad. They are all unreliable in the extreme, and seem to feel the need to make huge bullshit on this topic! Even have seen my GF telling her own brother complete bullshit on the phone about being in a taxi on the way there, and she is normally quite an honest type. They just see it as exaggeration.

So I think many Thai girls will be at least 1 hour late. 30 mins is a tough number for girls to meet, but maybe good advice anyway, as long as they know you won't wait longer. Otherwise the guy will be blamed for not being there. LOL

How many times did a girl arrive within 30 mins of schedule? Ha Ha. Could be less than 10%.[/QUOTE]I think they derive a great deal of pleasure in making us wait. And in measuring how much we want them by how long we are willing to wait for them before putting our foot down and saying That's It, I'm Out Of Here.

Many is the time I will be waiting at a designated spot in a shopping mall, getting those "I am stuck in traffic but almost there, honey" Line messages for AN HOUR later than the already late time, yet the instant I Line back that I think this is a bad time to meet, maybe see you another day, she will miraculously appear and catch me at the exit, from INSIDE the mall! I am convinced they hide behind a potted plant or pillar to keep an eye on me and see just how long before I get to the breaking point and bail.

Also, as long as they keep telling you, "I am on the way, be there soon", that means you can't chat up another girl on the spot, risk getting caught exchanging Line info and so on. I have one girl who rides the bus from Korat to spend the night with me in Bkk and one time early on she said she would be on her way at 9 am (roughly a 3-4 hour ride, depending on traffic). At 5 pm, after several Line messages about how she was on her way, she finally came clean about not having left Korat yet because she had a meeting at work. True or not, I really don't care what is detaining them, just don't BS me about being on the way. Meanwhile, she knew I could not make another date with another girl for that night as long as she did not admit she had not even left Korat as late as 6 pm that night.

Believe it or not, I still see that girl every now and then because I love to fuck her and she gives me an outstanding full and complere blowjob. But the new rules of engagement are very strict; I don't commit or even comment on meeting her until she is ALREADY near me in Bkk. Then I will let her know if I am available to meet her in the next 30 minutes or less with the clear understanding that I might not and in fact probably won't be available.

You can take a chance and ride the bus here, sweetheart. But no way will I set aside an entire day and night if not the next day waiting for you. Lol

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2235220]Unfortunately Thai girls may be the worst liars in the world re whether they will show up and what time, especially when they say they are "on the way" there or departed already. Seems to be ingrained in Thai culture, so does not really mean a particular girl is so bad. They are all unreliable in the extreme, and seem to feel the need to make huge bullshit on this topic! .[/QUOTE]Me think Colombian chicks would beat Thai girls in that sphere. I've had girls in Colombia who were late more than an hour, on a regular basis. Then again, the traffic there can horrendous at times.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2235529]Me think Colombian chicks would beat Thai girls in that sphere. I've had girls in Colombia who were late more than an hour, on a regular basis. Then again, the traffic there can horrendous at times.[/QUOTE]I think the key is "young" girls. I've also had Colombian, Thai, Indonesian, et al show up late. However, I find that it's the young girls under 30 who show up late, if I were to want girls over 30 to show up, they are more dependable. In my experience, out of Colombian, Thai and Indonesia, the Thai girls have been more likely to be on time. I've probably spent about 3 years of my life in Thailand because I go there often. However, I have never actually lived in Thailand so I have had far less occasions where I have called girls and asked them to come over. I prefer going to a bar and meeting them in Thailand since it's just so easy. Since I stay mainly in Indonesia and it's not as easy to go pick up a girl any hour of the day like it is in Thailand, I have called many more girls come to my place. I have had multiple Indonesian girls who were late more than an hour and sometimes multiple hours. If I ask an Indo girl to arrive at 9 pm, I assume they will arrive between 10:30 and 11 pm. Normally they go radio silent until they send a text saying there is traffic. I always just assume that is the moment they had just gotten in a taxi. They will normally show up about a half hour after that. There are occasions where I have a strict timeframe where I need the girl to be on time, and for those occasions I make sure to invite a girl I know I can trust to be on time. The problem is that the hottest ones are normally undependable, so if I want the guarantee of them being on time, I have to sacrifice hotness. One Indonesian girl was late 5 hours for our first date. Haha. She was supposed to meet me at 3 pm to see a movie, but she showed up at my place at 8 pm. When she showed up at my door, I was shocked because I had given up on her (she didn't even call me or text me the entire day after 1pm, she just showed up at my place at 8pm). But she looked so damn hot that I still readily accepted her. I liked her so much that I asked her to move in with me. She ended up living with me for 3 years after that.

I am two for two in my follow up Brasileira dates being late. First girl was 45 minutes late with me on the street waiting and lots of on my way. This was actually a good learning experience so that when the Brasileira I flew to London was an hour late one night early in our week I knew not to get too pissed. Just part of the package. And the package is sooooo worth it.

I was at RB5 late last night and noticed a two different customers sitting next to me seem to pay the girl's fee up front at the bar. I am wondering what will happen if I refuse to do the same and insist on paying after.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2235220]So I think many Thai girls will be at least 1 hour late. 30 mins is a tough number for girls to meet [/QUOTE]Not sure why, but this is not my experience. In the past when I used to do online dating, 60% or so were more or less on time (within 15 min), at least if you're meeting in an easy-to-find place (say, next to a BTS station in Bangkok). About 20% take an hour or so, but in that case the date usually goes poorly, since I hate waiting and it all starts with negative points (it would take someone exceptionally interesting to fix it at that point, and most Thai girls are not). About 10% flake out completely, but I never stayed around for 2 h to find out if they'd eventually show up.

As for the vague "on the way" updates, I think if you call them, they're more likely to provide a bullshit answer (avoiding direct confrontation). If you send a "where are you?" Line message, they will either tell you, or delay replying. If they reply 10 min later, you should take a hint and leave.

One good approach is to meet close to where you're staying and ask them to send you a message when they're almost there...

All women are late. If its a new one, I give them an hour then go about my business. If its an old one, I may or my not cut her a break. If its my girlfriend in the States, I just suck it up.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2236213]
As for the vague "on the way" updates, I think if you call them, they're more likely to provide a bullshit answer (avoiding direct confrontation). If you send a "where are you?" Line message, they will either tell you, or delay replying. If they reply 10 min later, you should take a hint and leave.

One good approach is to meet close to where you're staying and ask them to send you a message when they're almost there...[/QUOTE]In my experience, "where are you"? Is answered by "in taxi on the way? Where have you got to, can't be answered because actually still not in taxi. Can I talk to the taxi driver to see how far you have got to go, since you seem to have no clue where you are? Absolutely not!

I almost always ask them to send a message when very nearly there, but percentage that do it is low. Get message long before and maybe another when have already arrived.

I guess there have been girls only 20 to 30 mins late. Others usually over 1 hour late. Others, who knows if they ever would have arrived? One of them claimed to be sick while in taxi and went home, but I got no message at the time. Her migraine was too severe to notify me of non arrival. LOL Probably complete and total bullshit, but you never know for sure.

Fortunately not too many no shows. If an important girl is very late, better than nothing since best girls can disappear completely very easily.

I agree with Smoothy that older girls are a bit more reliable, but still can be extremely late. Like she was stuck on a phone call to her boyfriend. LOL

The comments here about the lateness of Brazilian or Colombian women seem acutely out of touch with and ignorant of Latino / Mexican / Central American / South American / Hispanic Caribbean culture.

Times for social events / gatherings / meetings, etc in said cultures are merely very general approximations of the actual time anyone will physically appear.

For e. G. If a party is announced / starting t to begin at 8 pm, there will not be a single person there until 9 pm at the earliest.

Same things with a date unless you are attending something that requires being there at a specific timeframe (like a play, sold out movie, etc).

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2236189]I was at RB5 late last night and noticed a two different customers sitting next to me seem to pay the girl's fee up front at the bar. I am wondering what will happen if I refuse to do the same and insist on paying after.[/QUOTE]If this is one of the rules of the gogo bar then you will be out of luck unless you are a known trusted customer. Payment up front for the girl is to protect them from being ripped off by their customer. No proof but I suspect some gogo bars also take a portion of the girl's ST or LT fee. You're always free to make arrangements with a girl to meet you on their days off. That's what I do so I save on the barfine.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2236189]I was at RB5 late last night and noticed a two different customers sitting next to me seem to pay the girl's fee up front at the bar. I am wondering what will happen if I refuse to do the same and insist on paying after.[/QUOTE]I often have the bars ask for this (especially when the girl speaks no English), and I always refuse and tell them I will give the girl the money in my hotel room after we are done. The mamasan always asks the girl if it's ok for me to pay her directly after we finish in my hotel, and every time the girl has said that it was ok. Not once have they not allowed the girl to go with me. I do normally buy a lot of drinks in the bar though, so I think the girls feel safer that they will receive their money considering I was willing to spend a lot on drinks already. If there ever comes a time when the girl refuses to go with me unless I pay up front to the mamasan first, I would refuse and go find a different girl in a different bar.

Back in Bangkok this week, my second visit, was here 2 years ago. I'm staying near Soi Cowboy and checked out Baccara for the first time, I'm from the US. Clean place, good music, went upstairs, I am just average looking, late 50's, but got lots of attention from ladies, including 2 sisters, one is 20 and wanted me to take her for ST but I was too tired from my flight. The hottest females, one was just totally smoking hot, were hanging with younger Asian guys. Got to say though, watching the action on the dance floor, half the boob jobs are just gawd awful. Poorly designed and executed, LOL. Then last night, Monday, I walked into Shark after checking out Thermae (holy shit I was surprised how many ladies were there, completely packed at 8:30). Being completely objective, the quality at Shark was quite good. I saw 3 ladies there I would die for vs only 2 at Baccara, granted, I got to Baccara a bit later, so many of their best lookers had probably been booked. Interesting though, Shark was virtually empty. Is October generally slow? Maybe it's just Monday. I went home with a hostess that I had fucked my previous visit, a total sweetheart, older, natural tits, who is fun because she is extremely responsive to oral, and a massage expert to boot. When she initially saw me come in last night she ran up to me and gave me a big hug, that's a good feeling. I wonder how she would feel if I tried to bar-fine one of the hot dancers later this week though.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2236189]I was at RB5 late last night and noticed a two different customers sitting next to me seem to pay the girl's fee up front at the bar. I am wondering what will happen if I refuse to do the same and insist on paying after.[/QUOTE]These are exactly the kind of practices that mongers must unite against, instead of bickering about the prices we pay.

That said, I agree with BB, in some bars, if you are not a known customer or you look like a guy who will stiff the girl over her fee then you are out of luck. Pure perception and judgement at play here. Nothing you can do. One of the other reasons why you should not behave like a cheap charlie in the bar. Sure, you don't have to go overboard but it helps if you don't come across as a tightwad.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2236271]I guess there have been girls only 20 to 30 mins late. Others usually over 1 hour late. [/QUOTE]It's not just social events where Thai people are late, it extends into the professional world. My first trip to Thailand was a 48 hour whirlwind business trip with 4 separate meetings scheduled. If I remember correctly, each meeting started 30 to 60 minutes late. Thai lateness was a contributing factor to continuing business elsewhere.

I also have a friend in the north who does professional training. People are typically 15-30 minutes late for training sessions. She is constantly frustrated by it, but says it is part of Thai culture and she can't change it.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2236213]

One good approach is to meet close to where you're staying and ask them to send you a message when they're almost there...[/QUOTE]That is usually the best way, imo. Actually, it is common for the girl to start Line messaging you as they (presumably) are getting closer to the destination anyway, typically asking ME "Where are you now?" 2-3 times as their bts/mrt train or taxi is getting closer (preumably) to the meeting destination. God forbid they arrive an hour late and then have to wait so much as 10 minutes for the man.

After they arrive at the destination, if you happen to be in the toilet or on the other side of the mall strolling around, their "Where are you now?" messages will become more urgent by the minute. Again, this will be after they are already at least an hour later than the agreed upon time. BTW, in the case of dating site girls, count on the latest ones being the ones who insisted on their profile they don't want to meet anyone who "plays games" and impresses you with how much they "hate liars". LOL.

A critical point for anyone meeting a Thai girl away from their hotel or apartment; never, never, never choose or agree to a meeting place outdoors. You will either be sweating like a pig from the heat, drenched in rain or both by the time the girl arrives, if ever. Always set a destination inside an air-conditioned building with plenty of seating available, beverages, a decent toilet and good wifi. And the closer to a bts or mrt station, the better.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2236440]Payment up front for the girl is to protect them from being ripped off by their customer. [/QUOTE]I would submit that it is not just that some girls are worried that they will be unlucky enough to hook up with a customer who will "rip them off" by not paying afterwards or by paying much less than expected. Of course, I am sure that must happen sometimes. But it is also the case that some girls are so often so god-awful at their job they experience a high percentage of customers who balk at paying them the fully agreed upon rate afterwards. Therefore, it is best FOR THEM to collect the money upfront, even better if a third party like the mamasan collects it and keeps it in hand for them at the bar or wherever.

In terms of "rip off" possibilities, I will further submit there are many more well-intentioned and otherwise generous customers who get ripped off by lousy providers than wonderful or even merely decent providers who get ripped off by customers who mysteriously decide this is the kind of girl they want to deny the 2000-3000 payment for good service that was indeed provided. And, imo, it is the former situation pattern that causes a girl or the venue to realize they'd better institute a "Pay Upfront" system rather than rely on getting paid the agreed upon rate afterwards, not the latter situation pattern of encountering customers who were well treated by the girl but chose to rip her off on the payment.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2236531]
In terms of "rip off" possibilities, I will further submit there are many more well-intentioned and otherwise generous customers who get ripped off by lousy providers than wonderful or even merely decent providers who get ripped off by customers who mysteriously decide this is the kind of girl they want to deny the 2000-3000 payment for good service that was indeed provided. And, imo, it is the former situation pattern that causes a girl or the venue to realize they'd better institute a "Pay Upfront" system rather than rely on getting paid the agreed upon rate afterwards, not the latter situation pattern of encountering customers who were well treated by the girl but chose to rip her off on the payment.[/QUOTE]In some established KTVs in other countries, "Pay Upfront" comes with service level guarantee. The girl won't denied services agreed upon, won't leave early without the customer's permission, some just absolutely won't leave before time is up. The girl will be panelized by suspension if the customer complains or some times the customer will get partial refund.

Thailand or the Philippines to get away from dreary English winters? The land of smiles win outs. Got myself a great crib in Lang Suan close enough to the action and with great food choices.

On Lang Suan itself my favorites are Smoking Pug a great Yankee style smokehouse with Cajun style rib racks to die for and Ninth Café for my Tom Yum and Somtam. The best of all though is the open kitchen eating emporium attached to Tops supermarket at Central Chitlom. It's amazing, sitting at the same table you can have a bowl of noodles costing 70 baht or 200 grams of caviar costing 38000 baht. You can order from an extensive menu or shop at the supermarkets butchers department for your prime cut then have them prepare it as you desire for an extra 160 baht which includes a side dish, the mashed potatoes are good. Buy a bottle of wine (the white is perfectly chilled) from their excellent selection in the wine department and have it served without a corkage charge. Great sushi and oysters from everywhere on earth. Also on Lang Suan Muse hotel has a good Italian and staying with the same cuisine a little further along there's limoncello on 11 great Parma ham pizza and Rossano's on 21, Friday or Saturday is best there, you get the tenors and soprano's doing their thing.

I am not great at remembering names or even places but for what it's worth here's a rundown on what else I've come across. Closest to me is LE glamour massage beside Chit Lom BTS. Not a great selection but facilities are brand new and the girls try really hard to give you a good time. Candy was my choice there. Heading towards Sukhumvit there are a number of very basic massage shops on the left side of soi 1. I wander by every so often, the girls sit outside and I have found some good choices here but they come and they go so it's very hit and miss.

I like Hillary 2 and 4 on Nana and have made friends with some expats who are regulars. Its interesting hearing their perspective on living here. Hillary 4 has some rocking music in the evenings. These and the beer garden on 7 provide opportunities to meet girls / women all day all night long. Mostly older but I sometimes like some MILF action. For no hanky panky massage its Tarntip on 7/1. On to 19 to Mai Chan. I have found this to be where I end up most often. It's a Japanese (but all are welcome) themed massage joint with lots of nice service touches, cold towel while choosing from the lineup, choice of drinks, helping you undress, showering you before and after and then helping you dress. The staff are mostly young and cute, Hana and Mo are my favorites.

My head spins when I wander around Phrom Phong, so many choices how does a fellow decide which door to go in, which girl to choose. There is also a small soi on 22, second on left past the Marriott with lots of choices. I must have been to at least a dozen places so far on soi's 22, 24, 26 and 33 but still a hundred yet to explore. In their own way they are all different yet somehow they are all the same. I've learned Its not the place its the girl.

And now for something completely different. On On Nut soi 32 (I know sounds funny) there are two shops side by side on the left hand side which offer what is known as Jabkasai massage. Only one girl works in each. It's a cross between a therapeutic treatment and a good old fashioned hand job. It's not for everybody as massaging the prostrate is a big part of what happens and while it's an asexual experience there is no touching at least for me the slow build orgasm is really intense. Not something I would do everyday just once in a while.

I appreciate my writing style lacks flair so I think this may be enough for my second contribution to the forum.

P.S. Absolutely love it here.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2236545]In some established KTVs in other countries, "Pay Upfront" comes with service level guarantee. The girl won't denied services agreed upon, won't leave early without the customer's permission, some just absolutely won't leave before time is up. The girl will be panelized by suspension if the customer complains or some times the customer will get partial refund.[/QUOTE]Hard to imagine such a venue existing in Thailand. Some guys liken a "Pay Upfront" P4P deal as similar in some way to paying upfront for your McDonald's Big Mac Combo Set; you pay the money up front and they hand you the tray of food as stated, no wild downside variations, no unpleasant surprises in virtually any McDs at any time of day or night. lol.

When a bar or shop in Thailand guarantees or money will be fully refunded that their girls will deliver as promised in the bar with no unpleasant surprises and there is a long term pattern of success to back it up, no dead rat under that bun instead of grilled beef so to speak, then and only then will I be ok with "Pay Upfront" in Thailand. Or in the Philippines for that matter. Which means I will never be ok with it really.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2236525]
I also have a friend in the north who does professional training. People are typically 15-30 minutes late for training sessions. She is constantly frustrated by it, but says it is part of Thai culture and she can't change it.[/QUOTE]You CAN change it if you're persistent and your training sessions extend over a few days, You can also build in sanctions for those who are late.

As a professional trainer myself, I start on the scheduled time and it's too bad if people are late. They don't get hand-outs etc until after the session is over and I don't recap anything that they missed.

I now have a "reputation" for starting on time, and when participants know I am presenting it is amazing how punctual they can be. It works in both Thailand and Philippines, two places where time is traditionally treated in an off-hand way.

If more guys were prepared to cancel dates where girls are late by 30 minutes or more (without a genuine excuse or having informed you of a delay) they would very quickly learn that expat guys (foreigners) will not accept such BS. Allowing them to get away with being late just reinforces the behavior. You might miss out on some "hotties" but there are always back-ups available.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2236599]If more guys were prepared to cancel dates where girls are late by 30 minutes or more (without a genuine excuse or having informed you of a delay) they would very quickly learn that expat guys (foreigners) will not accept such BS. Allowing them to get away with being late just reinforces the behavior. You might miss out on some "hotties" but there are always back-ups available.[/QUOTE]Ah, but you see how brilliant they are about it? They DO have a genuine excuse and ARE informing us they are "on the way". LOL. And I suspect they actually believe it in their heart, too. When I have called them on it and just walked, they behave like my reaction is the meanest, most heartless they have ever known. LOL. Poor babies.

Actually, there is a fun way to play the Late bit with the dating site girls. And since it almost always happens that they are late, I apply it almost every time. Her message - "Sorry, I am late". My reply message - "No problem. Your punishment for being late is I make you do terrible things to my body." Big laugh from her. Helps her to relax. Also, it reconfirms the purpose of this date in the first place. And I really do mean what I said as well. So when it begins to happen later in the evening, she is fully prepared and would not have come to "see my apartment" without having been forewarned.

[QUOTE=Catire;2236374]The comments here about the lateness of Brazilian or Colombian women seem acutely out of touch with and ignorant of Latino / Mexican / Central American / South American / Hispanic Caribbean culture...[/QUOTE]Sorry, I don't feel I am out of touch and / or ignorant of the Latin culture. I have taken 20+ trips to Latin America (mostly Colombia, Brazil, and Mexico), some of those trips for work. I also speak decent Spanish and semi-decent Portuguese.

There is no excuse for being late. That is simply inconsiderate, because we often don't have much free time and we would rather be doing something else, than waiting for someone to show up. They don't consider their time important, but we do.

Last week, while snacking on some Dim Sum at the Michelin Star rated Tim Ho Won inside Terminal 21, I met this "lady on the streets but a freak between the sheets" girl, who sitting next to me. If you've ever eaten there, you know the tables are placed within inches of each other to accommodate as many guests as possible. At lunchtime, that place is packed with locals and tourists alike. Monkeypaw's recommendations are the vermicelli roll with shrimp and the spinach and shrimp dumplings, which are nom nom. Anyways, the girl's name was Nam, she's 23 years old, and works a couple of floors below at some beauty skin care clinic as a receptionist. From our quick conversation, I found out surprisingly, that Nam only gets a salary of about 30,000 baht per month at her full time job. For some reason, I thought it would be more, but I guess the clinicians make most of the money there. Now, I have this knack and a history of turning out your average non P4 P girl. I call it flipping a girl or showing her the light to be able to make some serious money with her pussy. Only the dumb girls fuck for free and even worse, only the dumber guys end up putting a ring on that. When these two dumb and dumber come together, I call that a marriage. I usually have this 6th sense when a girl in need "might" jump at the opportunity to make some extra cash on the side with her body. It's one of Monkeypaw's many gifts. Usually, girls who are pretty or have the potential to be pretty, independent, high maintenance, but with small or limited incomes are my target. I call these my UTRs or under the radar girls. They send their signals out to me and I get vibes from them needing some help. After lunch, I invited Nam for some dessert at the Haagen Daas next to her beauty clinic. I wanted to feel her out more, to see if she was willing. From what I can tell from my perception and abilities, Nam was a "GO. " Just for safe measures, I paid her a visit at her work in which I needed the" ice breaker" for all this to work out. I went there to get an allergy shot because my skin gets itchy sometimes when I get really hot. The sun is no good for my sensitive skin. When I went inside, I immediately saw Nam. She smiled and greeted me with some paperwork to fill out for my injection. After my shot from the clinician, I pretended to be interested in buying some skin care products like lotion and stuff, so I can talk to her. Nam was showing me a bunch of products, being all informative while looking all pretty, and doing her job very well. I ended up buying some skin whitening lotion priced 400 baht for this tiny ass 2 ounce bottle. Now this is the "ice breaker" I had previously mentioned. I handed her 1000 baht for the lotion. When she was about to give me back my change, I told her to keep the 600 baht as a tip. She laughed and said no tipping needed. I told her she should be rewarded for knowledge about the beauty products. I closed her hand around the money and told her "It's yours, when you are good to me, I good to you. " And then I walked out, looked back, and there was Nam smiling back at me. Ice breaker completed, bait taken. Later that night, I contacted her and we met in my room where I cooked her dinner. Afterwards, we spent the next hour or so fucking each other's brains out. Normally, I have a hard time cumming inside a condom while it's inside a girl's pussy. But with Nam, her pussy gripped so tight that this wasn't an issue at all. She kept telling me that my cock was same same farang. Something that I've heard many times before, but from Go Go bar girls and Thai hookers, never from a normal Thai girl. So I'm beginning to think Nam might be a little more knowing about P4 P or fucking foreigners than I previously gave her credit for. Perhaps this is a "reverse hustle" by her, God only knows. She is a bit shy about DATY, but is willing after some coaching and is loud. Her BBBJ skills are out of this world and I was able to lose my second load in her mouth. After we finished and showered up, I gave her the spill about how I can't have a girlfriend and my father takes care of everything, including my entertainment which is girls. This is the speech I give when I want to run off girls or let them know their place. I don't need them getting lovey dovey and attached to me. I'm not of this world, so it's pointless. She was little disappointed until I handed her 1500 baht plus 100 for her taxi. Then she was all smiley, cheerful, and gave me a kiss on her way out. Funny thing, her pricing is everywhere. The last guy, paid her only 1000 baht for the couple of hours that she sucked and fucked him in his room. He messaged me bragging about how much less he paid than I did. But then when I saw her one more time before I went off to Pattaya, she told me that he gave her a 800 baht tip for some skin cream at her work. I guess he followed my steps to the exact T. She told me it was odd seeing an older farang come in her beauty store and buy skin cream. She said most don't care about that stuff. But when he handed her the tip and asked for her phone number, she already knew the game and what's up. Smart girl, she learns quick and will be rich soon.

One of my favorites is headed back to Bangkok. She small, petite with perky tits and a cute face. Her BBBJ skills are one of the better ones. Don't pay anymore than 1500 for ST and she likes it when you cook for her. Enjoy. And friendly reminder from your neighborly Monkeypaw "sharing is caring."

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2236604]Sorry, I don't feel I am out of touch and / or ignorant of the Latin culture. I have taken 20+ trips to Latin America (mostly Colombia, Brazil, and Mexico), some of those trips for work. I also speak decent Spanish and semi-decent Portuguese.

There is no excuse for being late. That is simply inconsiderate, because we often don't have much free time and we would rather be doing something else, than waiting for someone to show up. They don't consider their time important, but we do.[/QUOTE]With all respect, you clearly are at least somewhat ignorant of the culture. How much time have you spent among "real people" in your traveling places?

This is a stereotype that a huge majority of Spanish speaking (and Brazilian) people in Latin America would laugh at and agree with.

It's also the case in southern Europe (Italy and Greece come to mind).

Punctuality is simply not "that" important.

Now, if you're talking a pure transactional situation, then a prostitute who has "German / Swiss / American / English" type clientele. She will adapt to her clientele.

But just a regular girl in her own cultural milieu, will simply not bother to think about your "punctuality issues" when she is in her own culture.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2236599]If more guys were prepared to cancel dates where girls are late by 30 minutes or more (without a genuine excuse or having informed you of a delay) they would very quickly learn that expat guys (foreigners) will not accept such BS. Allowing them to get away with being late just reinforces the behavior. You might miss out on some "hotties" but there are always back-ups available.[/QUOTE]In Tijuana I was often frustrated by late arrivals so I started a different way of making an appointment by phone. I would ask for a 1 hour session to begin at 3:30, but I would tell the scheduler I need to be finished by 5:00, so arrival after 4:00 will be cancelled. That has been effective in Tijuana so far.

Firstly some apologies: (1) this report does not contain detailed user instructions for social media applications; (2) there will no discussion of the merits or otherwise of various brands of instant (INSTANT!) Coffee, or of "world" cuisines; (3) this report will contain nothing of interest to the "Nose Pickers" (by which I mean those who post obsessively about shape of noses as a significant factor in choosing a partner). If this means that the following doesn't "meet your spec", then stop reading now.

Having recently been in Bangkok for a few weeks, but with play-time restricted by external factors (lots of time available but generally only an hour or two at a time) I undertook the arduous task of touring the various BJ bars around Sukhumvit purely in the interests of informing ISG, not for personal pleasure you understand. I don't claim to have much "new news", but if putting the info in one place helps even one person then it is worth it. I also don't claim to have covered all such venues in the area. Who do I send my expense claim to?

I've tended to use hotels to describe locations as these are on Google Maps.

Pricing info is for the deed drinks, lady drinks and tips I will not discuss because anything written on these subjects on ISG seems to instantly provoke howls of "spoiling the market!" or "Cheap Charlie!" or both at the same time, from different sections of the ISG community! Details of individual girls / ladies / operatives / call them what you will I'll write in another post. First venue will be quite detailed, others I will only point out the variations on the theme. I'll briefly highlight "Pros and Cons" for each venue, but of course YMMV and what I think of as plus points may be viewed as detrimental to other individuals.

Kasalong:

Alleyway between Soi 6 and Soi 8, opposite S6 Hotel. THB 800. Operatives sit outside wearing blue miniskirts, white blouses and blue ties which have their name on, and invite passers-by to "come inside", or is that cum inside?

The Bar is on ground floor (first floor for American readers), cubicles upstairs. Cubicles are about 3 x 2 meters, cubicle walls do not go to the ceiling but are high enough that only a giant (or a very determined pervert) can see over the top. Each cubicle has a 2 seat leather-look sofa, hooks for hanging trousers and pants (that's pants and shorts to any American readers) and a cushion for the operative to kneel on for the deed. In the past I have been offered "VIP", which I think is full service in a room with shower, but you don't select go to a fried chicken joint and then choose lamb-shank. You chose your venue because you wanted fried chicken!

Operative shows you to the cubicle and then goes to get her box of tricks (I've never worked out what other than mouthwash is in the box) and towels. On her return she will invite you to "take off" and then proceed to wash your chap and surrounding area at the sink. The water is cold, surprising cold for a tropical country. She dries you off and invites you to sit on a towel on the sofa while she gargles mouth-wash. My advice is to make sure she rinses well with water after the mouth-wash, as sometimes that minty heat on the chap can be slightly too much for comfort.

Some operatives strip to the waist without request. Most of them don't have that much in their bra other than padding (think two fried eggs on an ironing board) so I don't usually ask them to remove it, but on rare occasions where I have asked then they have done so without any problem, maybe just a shy comment of "very small" from the operative.

On completion the operative will spit into a towel, gargle with mouth-wash and then wash and dry your chap again, using a different towel from that she has just spat into. She then leaves to stow her box of tricks to the sound effects of more gargling and hawking-up if you've surprised her and some of your stuff has got further down her throat than she planned. Whilst she is gone you get dressed. Go downstairs and pay your tab. The operative will hang around near you in the hope of a tip. Up to you / mandatory / don't ever tip depending on which section of the ISG community you want to pander to and / or upset. And off you go to get on with your day or night.

Pros location means you can check the options on a "fly-past" if, say you are heading from Soi 4 to the BTS, avoiding the motorbike taxis using the footpath (sidewalk to Americans) to go the wrong way down the one way street of Soi 6 heading from Sukhumvit south. Cubicles have walls (see later). Water is used for cleaning your chap.

Cons the water is cold. The operatives will inevitably soak not just your chap and surrounding areas, but your legs and feet as well.

LOLI**S (as in the book by Vladimir Nabokov).

NB The name of this establishment is not a secret, it is just that ISG's software replaces the actual name with a Codeword# because of the subject matter of said book. THB 800. Location second sub-soi on the right heading south down Sukhumvit Soi 8 (7-eleven on the corner), or if coming from Sukhumvit Soi 6 continue past Kasalong, go through the alleyway next to the beauty salon and it is about 5 metres on your right. Operatives sit outside in pink tartan mini-skirts and white blouses.

Similar set-up to Kasalong, except upstairs is one large room with leather-look sofas and privacy is obtained by means of curtains drawn around your chosen sofa. DNA sampling of the old red cloth sofas would have kept a genetics researcher busy for many a long year!

Operative may enquire "Blow Job or Boom-Boom". I do not know if the latter is in a different room (chicken / lamb-shank analogy applies), but I suspect so as they always ask before selecting sofa.

Operative will bring a (?much used?) towel to sit on. Cleaning is by means of wet-wipes. They used to use those cold towels in sachets straight from the fridge, so this is an improvement to my mind. Operative will place a plastic bag on the floor between your feet for collection of used wet wipes and to spit out your deposit.

Pros. As with Kasalong the location allows a "fly-past" inspection of the operatives available. Indeed it is effectively a double fly-past because of the proximity of the two establishments. Use of wet wipes means no wet feet. Some may prefer the slight "edginess" of only a curtain for privacy.

Cons. Murphy's Law (vaguely what can go wrong, will go wrong) and the O'Reilly conjecture (Murphy was an optimist, I. E. It won't just go wrong, it will go wrong at the worst possible time) apply. If you choose an operative from the first of these two establishments, you are sure to see a preferable option in the second having only moments earlier spent your Baht and your load. If, however, you check the second one out before returning to the first, you'll get back just in time to see the object of your desires going inside with a Neanderthal in a Thai beer branded vest (singlet for American readers, certainly do I do not mean a guy in a jacket / blazer). There's a piece of Economics / Mathematics theoretical research which once completed should earn a Nobel Prize, but of course wouldn't. The clean-up with wet wipes may not pass muster if your significant other is likely to inspect it before you have the chance to wash your chap. Some will not like the use of only a curtain for privacy.

WOOD (formerly Dr BJ's).

Location Sukhumvit Soi 7/1, just before iCheck Inn Nana on the right as you head north (away from) Sukhumvit Road. My memory tells me the pricing is Regular THB 800, Executive THB 1100, but I was charged THB 1,000 for an operative who is listed as Executive on their web-site so either I am a "hansum man" or I'm going senile (the polls have closed on this one and the electorate have voted a landslide for senility). Operatives sit outside in "little black numbers" and dense black tights, almost leggings thickness, rather than stockings or bare legs. Maybe great for the pantyhose fetishists, but decidedly un-sexy for the up-skirt view as you walk up the stairs.

Wood styles itself as the only "Business Class" BJ Bar. I can genuinely say I can see why as it reminds me of flying in Business Class on a certain airline which had filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy post September 11th (that's 9/11 to American readers, 11/9 to most of the world). I see nothing at all "business class" about Wood. It is virtually identical in set-up to Kasalong, except it's an easy chair rather than a sofa. It was only on the third walk along Soi 7/1 (different days and times of day) that I saw an operative who would raise more than the briefest smile from me, and I'm not expecting drop-dead gorgeous 9's and 10's from these establishments. I've read the Pattaya forum and every Thai 9 or 10 is on Beach Road going for THB 500 for just one or two select ISG members (I'm joking, no need to rise to the bait).

Pros. If you are in an around Soi 7/1 it means you don't have to cross Sukhumvit Road. Washing is done with water rather than wet wipes.

Cons. Location means not really suitable for the discrete fly-past inspection of the operatives, although you could potentially carry on round and double back up the rather grotty Soi 9. Water is cold, socks will get wet. Premium pricing of "Executives" not warranted when compared to previously discussed establishments, but is justified in comparison to the "Regular" priced operatives. An esteemed member of the ISG community informs us that the north side of Sukhumvit is not as easy to walk along as the south side, but with the assistance of a team of Sherpas and oxygen bottles to handle the altitude I managed, just. The Sherpas and gas company would also like to know who to send the expense claim to.

LOLLIPOP (not to be confused with the mixed-gender go-go of the same name in Nana Plaza) Closed.

I had fond memories of this establishment from years ago. I say "had", because with the onset of handsomeness or senility (qv) I cannot recall for the life of me what it was like inside, I only recall seeing a bevy of operatives as I turned into the sub-soi and a chorus of "thank you, see you soon" as I was leaving. Anyhow, it is no more. The location on the first sub-Soi off Sukhumvit Soi 10 (heading south from Sukhumvit turn left at the Paradiso Hotel and it is straight ahead of you) is now an establishment called Bar-O.

The new name implies it could still be a house of oral relief. The sign saying Bar and Guest House, together with the outside bar and pool table may indicate otherwise. I didn't investigate closely but I certainly didn't see any significant sign of numerous operatives, just a couple of guys playing pool. Not wanting to risk the wrath of the ISG community by clocking up expenses (who do I send the claim to?) on just pool and beer with no meaningful information on sexual encounters, I moved on. After all, who'd want a Bangkok forum littered with posts that are completely irrelevant to the subject matter of ISG? Nope, me neither.

SOM'S HAVEN. Closed.

The long established Som's, which used to be down a sub-Soi off Sukhumvit Soi 14, is no more. The Haven is Dead, Long Live the Haven.

DUANGPORN's Haven.

It seems Som sold up and retired to a life of fulfilment with a big German Wurst. The new owner has moved the business round the corner to a little Soi off Ratchadaphisek Road opposite the City Point Hotel. It is still less than 5 minutes' walk from Asok BTS. I was only in this area a couple of times, both of which were mid-afternoon, and the operatives I saw were all unappealing, so I took my business elsewhere.

7-Heaven.

Location on first sub-Soi off Sukhumvit Soi 33 as you walk north from Sukhumvit Road. 7-Heaven is on Google Maps, heading up Soi 33 it is on the sub-Soi roughly opposite Bangkok Lotus Sukhumvit Hotel. You can see the bright pink signage from Soi 33 itself.

The MO here is slightly different. The receptionist will show you the "available" operatives on an iPad (you can even do some advance research on their web-site). I put available in quotes, because my impression is that she shows you the girls that are on duty, and if your chosen operative is already with a customer you'll be asked to take a seat and help yourself to a soft drink (? Soda for American readers?) until she is actually available.

Price is THB 1,300 paid before service (cue loud groans of "never pay before" but that is how this establishment works. Accept it or go elsewhere). Their web-site says that if you finish within your first 5-10 minutes, then the operative will attempt a second completion either by hand or mouth (her choice). This seems to be more marketing-puff than a genuine offer as the operatives have in no time realised that the best strategy is to start slow to avoid having to do a double shift. So the undressing, customers strip naked not just trousers and pants (pants and shorts for you know who) off, and washing is all done at a leisurely pace, followed by a bit of cat bath etc. So that the main event doesn't start until about 10 minutes in.

Facilities are similar to Kasalong, with the exceptions of (1) the cubicles have a bed rather than a sofa / chair and (2) there is a water heater in the cubicle so no freezing your junk in the name of hygiene. Your socks won't get wet because your operative will have had you take them off to eat away some seconds to avoid the 10 minute rule, but your feet probably will.

A Big sign in reception says no sex. My operative stripped to the waist and didn't object to some moderate fondling of breasts and arse (ass to Americans) while the cat bath was going on. I didn't push things further. Once certain the 10 minute rule will not be applied (I am such a cynic, or is that realist?) she knelt between my legs for the main event, meaning any other activity was out of reach. However, sounds from another cubicle would indicate that either the other operative was receiving significant stimulation whether orally, digitally (no, with digits = fingers, not over some social media app) or my other means, or else the plot of Deep Throat was not complete bull and some females do only achieve orgasm through giving oral sex.

Afterwards a quick wash down, get dressed and out into the big bad world. I did note that unlike the other establishments there was no hanging around by the operative in the hope of a tip. Then again this may have been because before I was halfway toward the door on the way out, the receptionist was saying to one of the two gentlemen sat in reception "your girl ready now", leading to my conclusions as to the use of the reception area as a "holding pattern" for available (but not necessarily unoccupied) operatives.

Pros. Some may prefer a bed to a chair. Water is warm. Handy to know of the place as a fall-back if you don't find anything to your liking at the massage places around Phrom Phong. Can do some research of operatives on the net before visiting (although which ones will be on duty you cannot tell). Operatives generally younger (but not ridiculously / legally questionably so) than the other establishments.

Cons. I prefer the seated option. More expensive that equivalent establishments (but then this is J-Town). You may have to wait for your "available" girl to be truly available. Do you really want to see who was the previous guy to dump a load in the mouth of your new found lady-love?

That's enough for now (and probably quite a bit too much for some).

Regards,

GettingFedUp (a grumpy old man).

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2236593]Hard to imagine such a venue existing in Thailand. Some guys liken a "Pay Upfront" P4P deal as similar in some way to paying upfront for your McDonald's Big Mac Combo Set; you pay the money up front and they hand you the tray of food as stated, no wild downside variations, no unpleasant surprises in virtually any McDs at any time of day or night. lol.[/QUOTE]My experience is the Japanese managed MPs (the ones with Japanese manager / boss on site) in Bangkok manage their staff better so the quality is also better. If the customer complains, they actually will give the girl a hard time.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2236593]When a bar or shop in Thailand guarantees or money will be fully refunded that their girls will deliver as promised in the bar with no unpleasant surprises and there is a long term pattern of success to back it up, no dead rat under that bun instead of grilled beef so to speak, then and only then will I be ok with "Pay Upfront" in Thailand. Or in the Philippines for that matter. Which means I will never be ok with it really.[/QUOTE]Just so I don't mislead you. What I am describing is partial refund and in the other case is that the girl will be suspended and not able to work.

I have been to Brazil quite a few times and to FKK in Germany many many times.

Never been to Thailand. I have 3 days in a near by country and plan to swing by.

What is the best place to start. So many messages (I did RTTF).

Is it better to go to Bangkok or Pattaya? Mongering is the only reason. No need for tourism value.

What are the good hotels that are girl friendly. Is there a fees to be paid?

In the soapy massages are they full service. In 2 hours how many sessions can be done?

The soicow. Is this just a strip / go-go bar. Or like Brazil there are rooms at the club. Or only take out?

Can you some one please a basic steps of enjoying this place. I am also going alone.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2236635]Last week, while snacking on some Dim Sum at the Michelin Star rated Tim Ho Won inside Terminal 21, I met this "lady on the streets but a freak between the sheets" girl, who sitting next to me...... ......Normally, I have a hard time cumming inside a condom while it's inside a girl's pussy.[/QUOTE]Great post by the way. I'll never look at a clinician the same again, or any woman for that matter, LOL. As for condoms, I have never been able to come while using one, and it is difficult for me to remain hard in them as well. The last time I was in Bangkok, after 2 days of frustration, I resorted to popping half a 100 MG Sidegra tablet about 30 minutes before my sessions. Works flawlessly, plus I get hard fast, which gives the ladies a bit of a confidence or self-esteem boost.

@GettingFedUp.

Intelligence, Wit (a rare combination on ISG, and in life for that matter) and a translation app for Americans. LOL Thoroughly enjoyed that. More please.

[QUOTE=Catire;2236865]@GettingFedUp.

Intelligence, Wit (a rare combination on ISG, and in life for that matter) and a translation app for Americans. LOL Thoroughly enjoyed that. More please.[/QUOTE]+1 to that. I come to ISG for the encounter write ups and occasional wit. There is more than enough chatter about immigration or overpaying and other such crap (bolox to you Brit's). Thank you for bringing intel and intelligence and wit all in one handy package. Well done! Made my ISG day!

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2236744]-snip-

Having recently been in Bangkok for a few weeks, but with play-time restricted by external factors (lots of time available but generally only an hour or two at a time) I undertook the arduous task of touring the various BJ bars around Sukhumvit purely in the interests of informing ISG, not for personal pleasure you understand. I don't claim to have much "new news", but if putting the info in one place helps even one person then it is worth it. I also don't claim to have covered all such venues in the area. Who do I send my expense claim to?

-snip-

In the past I have been offered "VIP", which I think is full service in a room with shower, but you don't select go to a fried chicken joint and then choose lamb-shank. You chose your venue because you wanted fried chicken!

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Regards,

GettingFedUp (a grumpy old man).[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. I have never tried 7-Heaven but it sounds similar to Bit Style down the small sub soi on the left past the Holiday Inn on Sukhumvit Soi 22. I wasn't a fan of that place and not sure if it is still open. I don't remember if they required payment upfront, too. But (yeah, here comes the grousing about Pay Upfront. lol) it is interesting that the only one of your venues that seemed to "play games" with the time vs the sales pitch about a second shot and for which you related a rather dismissive and clumsy/unthinking/assembly line send off at the end was the one BJ Bar that required you to Pay Upfront. LOL. Coincidence? I'm betting no.

I know you plan to report more specifically on the girls in a later post. But I think your trip in recent weeks might have missed the time a few months back when there were actually several good body and pretty face girls working each of the shifts at Kasalong Bar, L0litas and (formerly) Som's Haven. I walk past the first two quite often and have not seen the 3-4 better lookers that used to work those bars in a few months. These days there might be one girl in each bar between the day and night shifts who would struggle past a generous 5 in terms of her body, IMHO. And, possibly similar to you, I thought the line up at Som's new place was somewhat scary looks-wise.

When the girls in those BJ Bars do sport some slim or decent shaped bodies and attractive faces (as several did up to a few months ago), I would disagree with you on that analogy about ordering lamb-shank at a fried chicken joint. The fact that a girl knows her way around a penis well enough to give it good or better oral treatment does not disqualify her in the boom boom department, imo. Rather, it portends a potentially better one as far as I am concerned. I have had several very satisfying Full Service experiences in each of the three BJ Bars I cited above in the past.

By the same token, I believe many guys think go-go dancers and beer bar girls are not good at or more often refuse to deliver a good BBBJ+CIM. But this has definitely not been my experience. Very recent case in point was a girl I barfined from Hillary 4 on Soi 4 within the past week (shockingly, there have lately been 2-3 very doable girls working in Hillary 4 during the DAY!) and a bathtub go-go dancer I barfined at Billboard in Nana Plaza just last night. Those girls each delivered a better BBBJ+CIM than all but a very few BJ Bar girls I ever had in Bangkok. It required a little adjustment of their style here and there to suit my preference, but it was well worth it. Yes, it was more expensive than 800 baht. But for the additional money I had them in my room, under my conditions, for about 2 hours each, fully naked and romping around with a couple of other sexual antics before settling in for those fine BBBJ+CIM finishes.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2236879]+1 to that. I come to ISG for the encounter write ups and occasional wit. There is more than enough chatter about immigration or overpaying and other such crap (bolox to you Brit's). Thank you for bringing intel and intelligence and wit all in one handy package. Well done! Made my ISG day![/QUOTE]+1 as well. A real report with some fresh intel. And you even translated for me! Well Done!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2236906]..a rather dismissive and clumsy/unthinking/assembly line send off .[/QUOTE]To all, may I express my thanks for the positive feedback.

EihTooms. Just to clarify, my reference about post deed events at 7-Heaven was only to illustrate the apparent lack of tipping expectation / pressure and my impression of the holding pattern in operation in reception. I certainly didn't wish to imply that there was anything "dismissive / clumsy / unthinking" about it. In addition, Wood is also pay up front which I omitted from the report (my bad).

For what it is worth, I'd theorise that the pay after mode works better for generating tips, because the customer has to get their wallet out after the deed to pay at the counter. Also I'd warrant that a significant proportion of customers pay their THB 800 with a THB 1,000 note, meaning the customer has 2 x THB 100 notes in their hand and a choice of either putting them in their wallet / pocket or into the hand of the operative.

With pay upfront the hopeful operative has to overcome the customer's psychological barrier of fishing their wallet / money out of their pocket for the sole reason of tipping said operative.

Regards,

GettingFedUp (a Grumpy Old Man).

[QUOTE=MRusa007;2236797]I have been to Brazil quite a few times and to FKK in Germany many many times.

Never been to Thailand. I have 3 days in a near by country and plan to swing by.

What is the best place to start. So many messages (I did RTTF).

Is it better to go to Bangkok or Pattaya? Mongering is the only reason. No need for tourism value.

What are the good hotels that are girl friendly. Is there a fees to be paid?

In the soapy massages are they full service. In 2 hours how many sessions can be done?

The soicow. Is this just a strip / go-go bar. Or like Brazil there are rooms at the club. Or only take out?

Can you some one please a basic steps of enjoying this place. I am also going alone.[/QUOTE]Best place to start, probably one of the longer running massage parlors that are generally recommended here such as Snow White, Cherry Massage, and Addict Massage, for a first go. Its quick, easy, reasonably priced, and no obligation if you go in and don't like the lineup, you just go to a different one. They're also open all day and until midnight or so usually so you can go whenever. This would be 2 hours in a room with the girl, generally at least 2 pops.

Bangkok or Pattaya is a constant debate, I think Bangkok is better and offers all the same as Pattaya and more. Others will argue different.

There's a thread on hotels.

Soapy massage is full service for generally 1.5 or 2 hours. There's a lot of them, Tulip is the most famous one remaining and great to start and high mileage, but again there's a lot of them.

Soi Cowboy is a short street with strip clubs, they're not really actual strip clubs, but its a close enough comparison, you'll see, its just a place you can watch them dance and find one you like It's pretty much all takeout. You find a girl you like, pay a "bar fine" that is a fee to take her (600-1000 baht) then you can go with her and pay whatever her actual rate is for services and then and do whatever, short time or long time. Nana Plaza is another area like this.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2236684]One of my favorites is headed back to Bangkok. She small, petite with perky tits and a cute face. Her BBBJ skills are one of the better ones. Don't pay anymore than 1500 for ST and she likes it when you cook for her. Enjoy. And friendly reminder from your neighborly Monkeypaw "sharing is caring."[/QUOTE]Forgot to mention that I met her off TF.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2237026]To all, may I express my thanks for the positive feedback.

EihTooms. Just to clarify, my reference about post deed events at 7-Heaven was only to illustrate the apparent lack of tipping expectation / pressure and my impression of the holding pattern in operation in reception. I certainly didn't wish to imply that there was anything "dismissive / clumsy / unthinking" about it. In addition, Wood is also pay up front which I omitted from the report (my bad).

For what it is worth, I'd theorise that the pay after mode works better for generating tips, because the customer has to get their wallet out after the deed to pay at the counter. Also I'd warrant that a significant proportion of customers pay their THB 800 with a THB 1,000 note, meaning the customer has 2 x THB 100 notes in their hand and a choice of either putting them in their wallet / pocket or into the hand of the operative.

With pay upfront the hopeful operative has to overcome the customer's psychological barrier of fishing their wallet / money out of their pocket for the sole reason of tipping said operative.

Regards,

GettingFedUp (a Grumpy Old Man).[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree that paying afterwards generally sets up more of a situation where a tip decision would be made. But I am all for that too. I WANT the girl to know a decision will be made later about tipping her or not. Even better if she also knows a decision can more easily be made to pay anything at all if she behaves particularly badly and contrary to the sales pitch.

It has been years since I last went to Wood Bar! (formerly Dr. BJ's Salon). As I recall my only repeat provider there was the original Dr. BJ's Salon super star, EE. She originated the big horned rimmed glasses look that so many other girls there began to imitate in order to possibly catch a few customers who were sent there by their friends to "try the girl with the big horn rimmed glasses. She's great." LOL. EE is long retired now. As good as she was, she still tended to quit on it perhaps two strokes too soon for my preference. But she did accommodate that issue as long as I reminded her about it before she began.

Anyway, my time there and with EE ended when she took me to the one cubicle that had a chair that did not have a backrest. Well, it had one but it was in permanent full recline position and could not be adjusted. Is that godawful thing still there? At that time, it was the first cubicle at the top of the stairs. I told her I would not be comfortable free floating in a perched position in a chair without a backrest, let's wait a few minutes for another cubicle to free up. But she assured me it would be fine. I still balked. She still insisted and told me to "give it a try". It was a mistake. Everything was as wrong about it as I predicted. So I aborted the mission and put a stop to it. The only time I had to do that in maybe 10 times with this girl. She just shrugged and did not suggest we now go to one of the freed up cubicles. As long as she was concerned I'd gotten my money's worth (not even close), thanks for the money and off you go.

Hmm. I wonder if she would have been as dismissive about that with a good, repeat, generous customer (I still always tipped her even though it was Pay Upfront, except for that last time), a mistake in her way of handling the situation that turned him into a never return customer even lo these many years later if her shop had been Pay After instead of Pay Before. LOL.

Hey guys!

In town next week for some work. Looking for a little fun. RTFF and loved all the reports. So much better than some of the dead places like some island that claims not to be part of China and other places.

Couldn't make a choice on location where I'm staying. Got stuck with the Asia Hotel. Anyone have any feedback / thoughts / comments? Wondering if it's a guest friendly kind of place. Realize I'll probably find out after day one of observing.

Best,

Neems.

Going to BKK for the first time and was wondering if anyone has some experience with these hotels. Seem pretty cheap and centrally located to Nana And Soi Cowboy. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Nemo798;2237355]
Couldn't make a choice on location where I'm staying. Got stuck with the Asia Hotel. Anyone have any feedback / thoughts / comments?[/QUOTE]Maybe there's more than one Asia Hotel in Bangkok but if you mean the one next to BTS station Ratchathewi then it's not really close to the action. Girls might not want to go with you if your hotel is that far away. I suggest you look for a hotel around BTS station Nana or Asok. Then you are close to NEP (Nana Entertainment Plaza) and Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2237026]For what it is worth, I'd theorise that the pay after mode works better for generating tips.[/QUOTE]I find when its pay after I usually just give the industry standard 1500 (sometimes more if its an above average session), but when I pay upfront I feel a bit of a cheap Charlie walking out of the room without tipping and so she ends up better off. Seems it works differently for you so I guess its swings and roundabouts.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2236906]I have never tried 7-Heaven but it sounds similar to Bit Style down the small sub soi on the left past the Holiday Inn on Sukhumvit Soi 22. I wasn't a fan of that place and not sure if it is still open. I don't remember if they required payment upfront, too. [/QUOTE]Unlike you I'm a fan of Bit Style. Much better looking girls (and place) then at the average BJ bar. As far as I know it's still open. I always pay upfront there and I never got bad service. However I don't know if they insist on payment upfront. I never asked them if I could pay afterwards.

At the Wood Bar / Dr BJ I have always paid afterwards, when I was still going there. I'm surprised to read here that people had to pay upfront.

[QUOTE=DonkeyLeg;2236573]Thailand or the Philippines to get away from dreary English winters? The land of smiles win outs. Got myself a great crib in Lang Suan close enough to the action and with great food choices.

On Lang Suan itself my favorites are Smoking Pug a great Yankee style smokehouse with Cajun style rib racks to die for and Ninth Caf for my Tom Yum and Somtam. The best of all though is the open kitchen eating emporium attached to Tops supermarket at Central Chitlom. It's amazing, sitting at the same table you can have a bowl of noodles costing 70 baht or 200 grams of caviar costing 38000 baht. You can order from an extensive menu or shop at the supermarkets butchers department for your prime cut then have them prepare it as you desire for an extra 160 baht which includes a side dish, the mashed potatoes are good. Buy a bottle of wine (the white is perfectly chilled) from their excellent selection in the wine department and have it served without a corkage charge. Great sushi and oysters from everywhere on earth. Also on Lang Suan Muse hotel has a good Italian and staying with the same cuisine a little further along there's limoncello on 11 great Parma ham pizza and Rossano's on 21, Friday or Saturday is best there, you get the tenors and soprano's doing their thing..[/QUOTE]Essentially DL you are correct, it's mostly down to you and the girl. Not wanting to appear too picky because I visit all sorts of places up and down the town but there are for me at least some additional factors that contribute to a good session.

The greeting on entering. Is it welcoming, friendly, helpful? I like Japanese themed shops here.

The room, is it on suite with fresh bedding and not too well travelled toweling. Has there been decent money spent on the fit out and ongoing maintenance.

Finally and most importantly what is the management style of the place, has there been training, what degree of emphasis is communicated to the girls on giving good service.

A skilled dedicated provider well suited to the profession will shine no matter where she works, unfortunately that only covers a minority of the girls, most need ongoing coaching and a management who closely monitor customer satisfaction levels and respond appropriately when standards fall. Not all girls are suited to the lifestyle.

Anyway glad you're enjoying Thailand. I agree with you it's a great place to hang out.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2237417]Unlike you I'm a fan of Bit Style. Much better looking girls (and place) then at the average BJ bar. As far as I know it's still open. I always pay upfront there and I never got bad service. However I don't know if they insist on payment upfront. I never asked them if I could pay afterwards.

At the Wood Bar / Dr BJ I have always paid afterwards, when I was still going there. I'm surprised to read here that people had to pay upfront.[/QUOTE]It is so long since I've been to Wood Bar!/Dr. BJ's Salon, I didn't recall whether I paid upfront there or not and just took GettingFedUp's report on the system. But sometimes these things do vary. I was once asked to pay upfront at L0litas over the past 5-6 years. I declined and the cashier just smiled and waved me on. One time, a girl at Kasalong Bar placed a condom on the seat next to me and stopped to tear open the package before beginning to blow me. "Nope! We're not doing that." She sheepishly put it away. But these occasional attempts to change the deal is a reason I still will ask the girl those tedious questions before I agree to go up the stairs or to the room with her.

I really wanted Bit Style to do well and gave them 5 tries. Of those 5 tries, only one, the second one, resulted in a Happy Blowjob Ending (BBBJ+CIM) for me. I aborted the mission the first and third visit because the girls were so impossibly unresponsive to my simple requests to go slower, no teeth and so on (I still paid of course). The last two times I stopped in I did not see a girl in the line up who was attractive enough to spend the 700-800 baht on as charged elsewhere, much less the 1300 baht charged at Bit Style. Actually, I never saw one girl in their line up of 5-7 girls on any of my 5 visits that matched or in any way beat the better looking girls at the other BJ Bars. At that time.

This was in the first few months they were open. I understand they have changed or revamped the environment and conditions a couple of times since then so maybe I will give them a 6th try someday.

In their first incarnation, the time I gave them 5 visits, they were trying to emulate the Japanese style pinsaro environment, including the very loud music on the overhead sound system supposedly to drown out the noise coming from sexual activities of couples or more on the other side of the cubicle walls. Which meant the girl and I had to shout opening comments meant to establish at least some chemistry. Worse, I had to shout simple requests during the act, like "COULD YOU PLEASE GO SLOWER AND MORE GENTLE?" huh? "I SAID, COULD YOU PLEASE GO SLOWER AND MORE GENTLE? CHA CHA BOW BOW?" oh. ok. Then she wouldn't. So I never knew if it was because she honestly could not hear me or did not understand or just didn't want to do it that way.

And one of the most annoying things was the lighting in the cubicles was exactly the opposite what it should have been. The lamp was anchored on a table across from the couch, not next to or, better, behind the couch. That meant my body in all its glorious wrinkles and fat rolls, was the star of the show and in full spotlight throughout the experience, while HER face was in dark shadow because the light source was behind her head or entirely obliterated for me after looking toward and essentially directly into the light for more than 2 minutes. The girls could just as well have been the ugliest girls in all of Bangkok if the lighting in the cubicle is such that their faces are cast in deep shadow during the session.

And, of course, as usual for virtually all BJ Bars, the only effort they made at furnishing the place with something truly accommodating to both getting and giving a blowjob was a couch and a hard floor. Period. Which meant there was zero effort at providing a better or more BJ-accommodating environment. I just could not find in either the line ups I saw or the accommodations one reason to pay 400-500 baht more than what other such bars were charging. Again, at that time. But I am willing to give it another try if I hear they got their shit together on some of the other really annoying, BJ-repellent factors I could not get past in those first 3-4 months of operation.

[QUOTE=TheBronx;2237370]Going to BKK for the first time and was wondering if anyone has some experience with these hotels. Seem pretty cheap and centrally located to Nana And Soi Cowboy. Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you pick the Ambassador, be sure to get a high floor in the tower. Buffet breakfast is a world tour. You'll see what I mean.
We are in the wrong message board this should be in hotels.
RL.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2237412]Maybe there's more than one Asia Hotel in Bangkok but if you mean the one next to BTS station Ratchathewi then it's not really close to the action. Girls might not want to go with you if your hotel is that far away. I suggest you look for a hotel around BTS station Nana or Asok. Then you are close to NEP (Nana Entertainment Plaza) and Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]Damn. Was hoping to attempt to find one for LT.

Would this be big no no? Or would LT change some of the calculus?

Apologies for the dumb questions.

[QUOTE=Nemo798;2237703]Damn. Was hoping to attempt to find one for LT.

Would this be big no no? Or would LT change some of the calculus?

Apologies for the dumb questions.[/QUOTE]Universal rule: Time is money.

Is Anal Sex an extra cost or part of full service short time at around 1500 Baht for short time? If extra cost how much for short time. Sharing experiences with this would be appreciated. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Nemo798;2237703]Damn. Was hoping to attempt to find one for LT.

Would this be big no no? Or would LT change some of the calculus?.[/QUOTE]I don't think the girl cares so much about how far your hotel is if you take her LT. However, you must adjust your expectations on the amount of time she spends with you and you pay for her taxi home. I used to have a girl come visit me in Pattaya from her Thai bar in Sri Racha but I let her go at 1 pm instead of 3 pm since she had longer to travel back home to get ready for work.

I hit woodbar up once a trip for a BJ from K. I have posted reports before on her, nice on the eyes and now some nice fake tits. BJ skill only average though, but for whatever reason she always does it for me, often way faster than I intend! I can't be 100% positive, but I am pretty sure they have always asked me for payment up front. I think I just took it as their MO so never objected and she knows me from many trips so she knows I am good for it. I took Z from their lineup VIP once but it was nothing interesting and I haven't seen her there in over a year. I have been trying to get K to go VIP (FS) but she claims she doesn't. If anyone else gets a different response let me know. As an aside the woodbar twitter is good browsing and fun while you are away from LOS.

WB girls, or at least K, also want a tip for topless or any additional play where are kassalong the girls have done this on their own or on request. In particular a kassalong girl last time did it without request after a while when I was having a difficult time finishing. Was a good move on her part for extra stimulation and I appreciated the extra effort and rewarded it. Damn I miss thailand, can't wait to be back in a week.

Both places have only 3/4 walls so you hear your fellow punters and girls, which honestly to me has always been a turn on. In massage places to like snow white I find it great to hear a girl getting in good in the next room. But I can also see if some guy was vocal that would work in the opposite way.

Is wood bar worth the extra over kassalong (my point of comparison from experience), no, it's just about a slightly different setup and different selection. However one thing I do like is being able to preview on twitter beforehand, their pics are accurate and I feel like I can make a better choice than the normal 30 second lineup you get and it's fun after to see the pics and recall dropping a load in her mouth.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2237439]It is so long since I've been to Wood Bar!/Dr. BJ's Salon, I didn't recall whether I paid upfront there or not and just took GettingFedUp's report on the system. But sometimes these things do vary. I was once asked to pay upfront at L0litas over the past 5-6 years. I declined and the cashier just smiled and waved me on. One time, a girl at Kasalong Bar placed a condom on the seat next to me and stopped to tear open the package before beginning to blow me. "Nope! We're not doing that." She sheepishly put it away. But these occasional attempts to change the deal is a reason I still will ask the girl those tedious questions before I agree to go up the stairs or to the room with her.
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[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2237734]
Both places have only 3/4 walls so you hear your fellow punters and girls, which honestly to me has always been a turn on. In massage places to like snow white I find it great to hear a girl getting in good in the next room. But I can also see if some guy was vocal that would work in the opposite way.
[/QUOTE]Can't say it turns me on, but I don't mind hearing a few subtle sounds from next door. Where Bit Style got it wrong for me (in its first incarnation, that is. Maybe different now), was in cranking up the volume of the overhead music system (really awful music, too) in order to drown out those sounds from cubicle to cubicle.

Maybe that works in Japan. But with westerners and the girls they are with it turns out loud moaners and groaners aren't doing that as some uncontrollable, involuntary response to intense sexual pleasure. I am sure they don't make those sounds when they are masturbating alone in a room. No, it is meant to "communicate" various things with their partner. Consequently, if you crank up the volume on the overhead music system, that only means the moaners and groaners will crank up the volume on their moans, groans, giggles and laughs to overcome the music volume and still "communicate" with each other. LOL. And that is what they did in Bit Style.

A couple of times I shouted a request for the girl I was with to please ask the clerk to turn down the music volume to about half, which she did. I don't mind a bit of music in the background, even like it. But not THAT loud. That only lasted about two minutes until the next customer walked in and, not wanting to deprive him of the full Bit Style Experience, somebody cranked it right back up to 11.

I fondly remember back to when Cowboy was a Coyote free zone, and ladyboy free zone. LOL.

There should legislation to keep the ladyboys out and in their own zone.

Last night was shocked to see 3 or 4 ladyboys all with blonde to reddish blonde hair now appearing to work at 5 Star. So nude female dancers inside still, but the ladyboys remained clothed.

They initially were outside, but came into the bar with a group of Asian customers and were generally making a nuisance of themselves by standing in front of my area. The old guy Farang with white hair next to me was gawking at them and asks me are they real girls. I say no fucking way are they real ladies. All tall "girls" with evident surgeries. One comes over and sits on his lap. He is telling me that yes she is a real girl and has a sweet little girl voice. Yes as real as the sole of my foot.

Two things are disturbing. Mixed bars with girls and a few ladyboys, LBs not even that stunning or charming. LOL Also the fact that 5 star bar was a lot busier than I ever saw before, even though the LBs were initially outside. I had thought this bar was going to become an expats style of bar, with all girls low on surgeries. How wrong I was!

I had Oiy come to me. She did not seem very enthused about the ladyboys there at all. Oiy is petite young girl, slim but curvy, very tight, with body 9 out of 10 perfection. Would be a 10 with slightly bigger ass and tits. Tits shimmer beautifully when she dances nude. Her slit looks very beautiful too. Face is a 7+ maybe 8, with very Thai little upturned nose. Skin not dark. Oiy was a bit of a starfish first time I went with her. Yet her body looks so hot, and I was so horny, that I took her again, with my regulars unavailable. Her performance was a bit better than first time, still very conservative and shy. She does not really suit me perfectly with very tight small pussy. However because she is not restrictive at all and even includes tongue kissing, I could make it work. Just have to tolerate she can only take about 2 inches in, in BBBJ, and for sex have to insert just half a dick and gradually work up to more, as her pussy naturally stretches. By 15 to 20 min fucking mark, she is taking almost full dick in doggy. She does not complain, push away, or restrict in any way, so by going gently I can make it work. At the end I ask was everything OK and she still had no complaints at all despite a reasonably extended fuck. I can't say she is into it big time as yet. No evidence of a cum for her, despite my DATY best efforts. However I managed to allow myself to enjoy her body. LOL No girl in Crazy House has looks this good for the whole package at the moment and all natural.

What I refer to as dick scared girls, are girls that are not helping to make it work despite some difficulties, instead having stiff legs, pushing away, etc. That is what typically causes my dick to crash. However this girl no problem. I recognise that her pussy is not perfect for me. I prefer a bit bigger without the low uterus in the way but still gripping softly nicely. Most of my regular girls are mothers, in fact all my remaining regulars are mothers. I lost the last few non mothers recently. Even one of my regular girl mothers is a bit to tight in the pussy for me. LOL Fortunately my regular GF has pussy of perfection for me. Moderately tight, but can take it all with a bit of stretching.

Did you guys all understand the average pussy has uterus bulge only about 3 to 4 inches in easily reachable my fingers, and average vagina maybe only 4 inches to 5 inches max long before starts naturally stretching. So giving a girl time to stretch gradually is important rather than just hard bang bang from the start. I imagine some girls are very scared because they expect the guy to go hard bang bang, which is actually not my style (but they don't know me if first time).

You really want girls to be enjoying and not scared so that their pussy muscles will want to grip your cock to make a nice feeling. My regular MP girl will visit my Hotel shortly. More for her, no management overhead. LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2237439]It is so long since I've been to Wood Bar!/Dr. BJ's Salon, I didn't recall whether I paid upfront there or not and just took GettingFedUp's report on the system. But sometimes these things do vary. I was once asked to pay upfront at L0litas over the past 5-6 years. I declined and the cashier just smiled and waved me on. One time, a girl at Kasalong Bar placed a condom on the seat next to me and stopped to tear open the package before beginning to blow me. "Nope! We're not doing that." She sheepishly put it away. But these occasional attempts to change the deal is a reason I still will ask the girl those tedious questions before I agree to go up the stairs or to the room with her.

I really wanted Bit Style to do well and gave them 5 tries. Of those 5 tries, only one, the second one, resulted in a Happy Blowjob Ending (BBBJ+CIM) for me. I aborted the mission the first and third visit because the girls were so impossibly unresponsive to my simple requests to go slower, no teeth and so on (I still paid of course). The last two times I stopped in I did not see a girl in the line up who was attractive enough to spend the 700-800 baht on as charged elsewhere, much less the 1300 baht charged at Bit Style. Actually, I never saw one girl in their line up of 5-7 girls on any of my 5 visits that matched or in any way beat the better looking girls at the other BJ Bars. At that time.
[/QUOTE]In my experience, all of the BJ bars are expecting the customer to pay up front, at least for the initial BJ. I could be wrong, and forget the system at Loli-tas.

I can understand well that the odd girl has to be trained to go slow motion and no hands etc. , but is very surprising to have 4 out of 5 duds. I only ever tried 3 girls at Dr BJ. First was so-so I forget. 3rd was maybe letter Z with new implants, for FS and a bit disappointing from memory, so not good enough to repeat. 2nd girl was excellent so basically stuck with her still she stopped working. I also had regular at Loli-tas Anne till she stopped working, for FS. I rarely want just a BJ. Chrome bar experiences were generally pretty good. Can't remember a bad session at all.

For Kasalong, 1 girl was very good FS, and the other was so so (moderate) BJ only. However not exactly stunners. Above average looks, otherwise I would not take them

Girls still need to be hot and fun for me, and of course superb BBBJ super slow and slurpy technique does not go amiss.

So my success rate in these type of establishments is above my normal success rate, better than for general soapy and bar girls, and even better than for oily MP girls, I think. So a little surprising to hear a poor success rate. Less can go wrong, I would have thought, but yes a bad BJ technique can be excruciating, so perhaps that is why I am not a guy keen to just lie back and be blown. I am wanting to be more active.

My regular Shark girl kissy Patty gives a very good BBBJ to CIM even with teeth braces, so have that to fall back on if ever struggling to cum. Stunningly beautiful pussy though. That is my thing. LOL

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2237592]If you pick the Ambassador, be sure to get a high floor in the tower. Buffet breakfast is a world tour. You'll see what I mean.
We are in the wrong message board this should be in hotels.
RL.[/QUOTE]That is amusing. Do I detect disguised racism? I am really just pulling your leg man. I am quite happy to state I don't prefer to be in Hotels full of the more stinky under arm races but even Farangs can be really bad on this issue too, and hate worst of all to be in with a Chinese tour, as they seem to take the prize for ill mannered. Hotels full of Arab types (Soi 3) were the most creepy as they seemed to stare at me and my girlfriend, and the lack of pork is an issue for Thai girls who eat mainly pork. LOL Hotels full of Japanese and Singapore guys were not an issue at all. Can even be preferred.

So I tend to stay in Hotels in the higher Soi numbers. E. g. Sakura Sky was a recent bargain basement stay in Soi 33 when just passing through and needing a place for sex. LOL Low Sois on Sukhumwit odd side up to 11 is not my preferred area. Prefer to be after that. On8 is good place though.

A great option for me is to stay in Hotels and take no Hotel breakfast at all. Look after my weight. Use Hotel microwave to heat up something healthy or cook some oats. I can make a drip filter coffee in my room. Have filter papers and a funnel and thermos. Most recently hotels at least have jug to boil water.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2237760]That is amusing. Do I detect disguised racism? I am really just pulling your leg man. I am quite happy to state I don't prefer to be in Hotels full of the more stinky under arm races but even Farangs can be really bad on this issue too, and hate worst of all to be in with a Chinese tour, as they seem to take the prize for ill mannered. Hotels full of Arab types (Soi 3) were the most creepy as they seemed to stare at me and my girlfriend, and the lack of pork is an issue for Thai girls who eat mainly pork. LOL Hotels full of Japanese and Singapore guys were not an issue at all. Can even be preferred.

So I tend to stay in Hotels in the higher Soi numbers. E. g. Sakura Sky was a recent bargain basement stay in Soi 33 when just passing through and needing a place for sex. LOL Low Sois on Sukhumwit odd side up to 11 is not my preferred area. Prefer to be after that. On8 is good place though.

A great option for me is to stay in Hotels and take no Hotel breakfast at all. Look after my weight. Use Hotel microwave to heat up something healthy or cook some oats. I can make a drip filter coffee in my room. Have filter papers and a funnel and thermos. Most recently hotels at least have jug to boil water.[/QUOTE]I have changed to ABNB. I only eat fruits, cereals and coffee. I buy in the market and prepare in the room. I big savings over Hotel charges. I stay 4 nights in one area and then switch to another. In Nov I start in a great condo near Chong nansi and then 4 days later I'm in the Phrom Puong Soi 24 zone for 4 days. Undecided after that. Maybe off to Phuket or Chaing Mai. Of course the high season is upon us so rates will raise.

RL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2237751]In my experience, all of the BJ bars are expecting the customer to pay up front, at least for the initial BJ. I could be wrong, and forget the system at Loli-tas.[/QUOTE]Except for Bit Style I never had to pay upfront in any BJ bar in Bangkok or Pattaya.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2237439]
I really wanted Bit Style to do well and gave them 5 tries. Of those 5 tries, only one, the second one, resulted in a Happy Blowjob Ending (BBBJ+CIM) for me. I aborted the mission the first and third visit because the girls were so impossibly unresponsive to my simple requests to go slower, no teeth and so on (I still paid of course). The last two times I stopped in I did not see a girl in the line up who was attractive enough to spend the 700-800 baht on as charged elsewhere, much less the 1300 baht charged at Bit Style. Actually, I never saw one girl in their line up of 5-7 girls on any of my 5 visits that matched or in any way beat the better looking girls at the other BJ Bars. At that time.

This was in the first few months they were open. I understand they have changed or revamped the environment and conditions a couple of times since then so maybe I will give them a 6th try someday.

In their first incarnation, the time I gave them 5 visits, they were trying to emulate the Japanese style pinsaro environment, including the very loud music on the overhead sound system supposedly to drown out the noise coming from sexual activities of couples or more on the other side of the cubicle walls. Which meant the girl and I had to shout opening comments meant to establish at least some chemistry. Worse, I had to shout simple requests during the act, like "COULD YOU PLEASE GO SLOWER AND MORE GENTLE?" huh? "I SAID, COULD YOU PLEASE GO SLOWER AND MORE GENTLE? CHA CHA BOW BOW?" oh. ok. Then she wouldn't. So I never knew if it was because she honestly could not hear me or did not understand or just didn't want to do it that way.

And one of the most annoying things was the lighting in the cubicles was exactly the opposite what it should have been. The lamp was anchored on a table across from the couch, not next to or, better, behind the couch. That meant my body in all its glorious wrinkles and fat rolls, was the star of the show and in full spotlight throughout the experience, while HER face was in dark shadow because the light source was behind her head or entirely obliterated for me after looking toward and essentially directly into the light for more than 2 minutes. The girls could just as well have been the ugliest girls in all of Bangkok if the lighting in the cubicle is such that their faces are cast in deep shadow during the session.

And, of course, as usual for virtually all BJ Bars, the only effort they made at furnishing the place with something truly accommodating to both getting and giving a blowjob was a couch and a hard floor. Period. Which meant there was zero effort at providing a better or more BJ-accommodating environment. I just could not find in either the line ups I saw or the accommodations one reason to pay 400-500 baht more than what other such bars were charging. Again, at that time. But I am willing to give it another try if I hear they got their shit together on some of the other really annoying, BJ-repellent factors I could not get past in those first 3-4 months of operation.[/QUOTE]You must have had bad luck with the girls and the timing of your visits. I have been there about 4 or 5 times over a period of 2 years I think and I always had a good looking girl (in the range of 7+ to 8.5) and on average good service (ranging from satisfying to good to excellent). Only one girl was slightly disappointing (the youngest and pretties one I had, damn LOL) and some of them were more skilled and responsive than others but that's always the case.

I cannot recall they ever had loud music playing. Not to the point that the girls and me had to shout anyway.
I agree with you that the lighting could be better, but other than that: no complaints from me.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2237734]However one thing I do like is being able to preview on twitter beforehand, their pics are accurate and I feel like I can make a better choice than the normal 30 second lineup you get and it's fun after to see the pics and recall dropping a load in her mouth.[/QUOTE]That's funny. One of the reasons I stopped going to the Wood Bar is that the girls always looked way better in their pics than in reality, so the line up was quite disappointing.
But maybe times have changed.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2237787]I have changed to ABNB. I only eat fruits, cereals and coffee. I buy in the market and prepare in the room. I big savings over Hotel charges. I stay 4 nights in one area and then switch to another. In Nov I start in a great condo near Chong nansi and then 4 days later I'm in the Phrom Puong Soi 24 zone for 4 days. Undecided after that. Maybe off to Phuket or Chaing Mai. Of course the high season is upon us so rates will raise.

RL.[/QUOTE]I recently stayed in fab skyrise apartment floor 52 I think, probably 10 minutes walk from Chong Nonsri maybe slightly more. Cost 1500 but was at least to the standard of what would expect to be 4 K. Only unfortunate thing was nearby food producers were crappy. Fine if I would have cooked my own, or ate expensive in the Hotel below. Even the Phat Thai noodles were awful at nearby open air cafe, and I would have needed to teach them how to make it. Was not even close to how it should be. Maybe they just don't have the right ingredients. So I had to move to a slightly better area for access to food markets. So location can be important. A lot of Thai food stalls are selling junky deep fried sausages, processed meat and fish balls (super el cheapo stuff), highly sweetened juices and other slurpy drinks, crap I would not touch, plus I don't eat rice and rarely noodles (low carbs). So that makes me a bit difficult.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2237807]That's funny. One of the reasons I stopped going to the Wood Bar is that the girls always looked way better in their pics than in reality, so the line up was quite disappointing.
But maybe times have changed.[/QUOTE]Name a shop with realistic Pics. LOL I stopped about 3 years back, but before that there were the odd doable slim girl present. You never had to pay upfront there? That surprises me. I was always asked to pay first, even as regular, although possibly influenced by not being a BJ only customer. I was not aware there was an option to pay later, however I doubt there was an option not to pay what was supposed to be paid, so I see little practical difference.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2237790]Except for Bit Style I never had to pay upfront in any BJ bar in Bangkok or Pattaya.[/QUOTE]That is my recollection too. Although my memory is vague after a few years absence on whether I might have Paid Upfront at times in Wood Bar!/Dr. BJ's Salon and I do remember that weird time they tried to get me to Pay Upfront at L0Litas.

Most of the time the girls don't even ask me if I want the BJ room or the Short Time room until we are walking up the stairs, away from the cashier. And they charge different rates for each.

Also, what starts as a BJ in a cubicle might evolve into a FS (despite no bed) and in some places the girl won't make that side deal with you privately but you will instead be charged more for it at the cashier on the way out.

Have been googleing all day today, most of the websites looked like smooci seeders. Got a few non-smooci providers, one of them is [URL]http://www.exclusive-amourclub.com[/URL]. { exclusive-amourclub, }

Rates are sky high, just wondering how much to believe. Any one tried, reviews?

Any help will be fine.

[QUOTE=Mayurp;2237866]Have been googleing all day today, most of the websites looked like smooci seeders. Got a few non-smooci providers, one of them is [URL]http://www.exclusive-amourclub.com[/URL]. { exclusive-amourclub, }

Rates are sky high, just wondering how much to believe. Any one tried, reviews?

Any help will be fine.[/QUOTE]Wrong thread. The escort connoisseurs can be found in the Bangkok Escort Agencies thread. Try checking for inputs there.

That said, I do not think any pussy is worth THB 22,000 for 2 hours. And that is just starting price, really! Who is running this operation?

[QUOTE=TheBronx;2237370]Going to BKK for the first time and was wondering if anyone has some experience with these hotels. Seem pretty cheap and centrally located to Nana And Soi Cowboy. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I've stayed at Ambassador several times, which totaled about 25 nights. I don't like it, but my buddy does. There is always something wrong with the room, even the upper floor upgraded rooms in the tower. Something different each time. Uncomfortable bed. Moldy shower head. Broken toilet paper holder. Safe needs battery replacement. Faucet drips. Missing bottles of the free drinking water (had plenty of the stuff you pay for). Carpet dirty. Hot pot doesn't work. They are always happy to fix the problem, but it is a pain in the ass to deal with it.

Breakfast staff is too small to accomadate the large crowds at peak times. Checkout time crowds can also be long.

If you can afford a little more money, I recommend you find a different hotel. Dream Bangkok on Soi 15 is about 20% more money and I've talked to people who are much happier there. I'll stay there next visit to BKK.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2237833]Also, what starts as a BJ in a cubicle might evolve into a FS (despite no bed) and in some places the girl won't make that side deal with you privately but you will instead be charged more for it at the cashier on the way out.[/QUOTE]I thought I definitely made side deals with girl for FS on couch at both Lollytas and Kasalong (in each case no room upgrade), so where were they too stodgy to do that?

Now that I think hard about it, I think I have paid at Lollytas on way out. Alzheimer's is setting in. I can't remember minor details well any more. I can completely forget dud girls within a couple of weeks too. Sometimes I remember going to a shop and taking a girl but no clue who she was. LOL With girls worth repeating I make a bigger effort to remember, however this year when returning to Mango to repeat some good session brown skin girl, I had no clue what her name was, till some other guy posted report on same girl that tweaked the memory. LOL She is gone now, and I forgot the name again. LOL.

It is mainly new bargirls I did not like to pay up front, in case they do a runner or refuse to allow me to use thin Jap condoms, or allow no kissing no touching, no nuttin. Etc. In which case could cancel with no sex, since my dick would staying quite limp. With BJ bars, what can she do? LOL Refuse to attempt a BBBJ? LOL I never had that happen. Can't expect not to pay just because the BJ is bad. LOL OS I have cancelled session with Farang girls when they insisted they would use their own condoms. Rarely have MP girls been so bad, that no form of play had been started, however I have had to leave the odd soapy or oily session with no sex, mainly due to dick scared girls really doing their best to make it difficult as possible. One was Vodka at Cherry massage (I think it was). She just mucked around clueless, and seemed spaced out, or maybe just fucked out. Can't remember just how far we got now, but was one of the worst ever. So money was wasted. Shit happens. Just shows my bad memory the details of such a bad session have faded. I would have to read my own report. LOL At least her name was unforgettable.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2237948]I've stayed at Ambassador several times, which totaled about 25 nights. I don't like it, but my buddy does. There is always something wrong with the room, even the upper floor upgraded rooms in the tower. Something different each time. Uncomfortable bed. Moldy shower head. Broken toilet paper holder. Safe needs battery replacement. Faucet drips. Missing bottles of the free drinking water (had plenty of the stuff you pay for). Carpet dirty. Hot pot doesn't work. They are always happy to fix the problem, but it is a pain in the ass to deal with it.

Breakfast staff is too small to accomadate the large crowds at peak times. Checkout time crowds can also be long.

If you can afford a little more money, I recommend you find a different hotel. Dream Bangkok on Soi 15 is about 20% more money and I've talked to people who are much happier there. I'll stay there next visit to BKK.[/QUOTE]Why do you have to stay same Hotel as your buddy? Is he the boss and paying? LOL Surely there must be much better budget Hotels? Is the Ambassador really cheap?

I stayed there just once in Bangkapi wing of Ambassador out the front of some square in 1983 approx. With farang wife in tow. She did the bookings with travel agent I guess. It all changed after that. Does anyone remember the exotic bird and animal cages out the front many years back, and the carved tree section wooden lobby furniture? Never wanted to actually stay again.

I visited a nice Soapy with parking area in the front in that year in maybe Soi 2 (not Annies) or 4 on right hand side, and never managed to find out what it was again. Must have gone by year 1991. That was my first ever experience and soapy with a naked Thai girl and I was mesmerised. She was sleek and pretty. LOL No verbal communication was possible. The Thai massage was torture but I loved it. Seeing old geezers with hot young Thai girls on their arms was also torture. I had my boring Farang wife, and I was only 27. 8 years later wife was gone, and a few local Thai girls had been fucked, so return was obvious. This time I returned with some elementary Thai language known.

Can anybody shed some light on the online site finfanfan?

I have browsed through although the Google translation is pretty confusing!

There are a lot of hotties on there and some good prices but I'm thinking that maybe it's only for Thai nationals?

Anybody have any experience using this?

Any advice greatly appreciated.

Also any info on other sites welcome.

Sorry to interrupt all the important hotel chat with a useless report on a bar. It's been years since I paid a visit to Magic Table off Sukhumvit 7/1 near Wood Bar and Chrome. Last time I was there 2 years ago, a buddy and I got caught in the rain and had to hang out there. Pretty much the same stuff goes on now as it did back then. The girls are naked underneath their little Japanese Komino outfits they often wear. And trust me, there is some raunchy ass shit going on in there that makes Windmill Pattaya feel like a Buddhist temple. This time that I went to check it out, I saw girls giving dudes blow jobs everywhere and even a couple fucking in the corner of the bar. If you like voyeurism or watching and hearing girls sucking and fucking, this is place has your name written all over it. It sort of looked as if he was dancing with her from behind while squeezing her tits underneath the gown. But then the girl hiked up her outfit to the random guy and he was plowing her hard from the back. Her head kept hitting the wall she was gripping. Nasty shit there. I sat chuckling with my Diet Coke and a small cute girl named Bew. She was small, very white skinned with some braces and nice fake tits. She kept licking my neck so I ended up buying her a couple of drinks. My night at Magic Table ended, when I couldn't resist her temptation. She gave me a hand job and when I was about to shoot my load, she squatted down, opened up her mouth wide and caught it down her throat. Afterwards I tipped her 200 baht on top of the drinks I bought for her. Cheap thrills cheap fun. I was drunk and wanted to go back to my hotel room next door at Aspira. She talked me into taking her back to my room for another 1000 baht, where I fucked the Japanese out of her (she looked partly Japanese) for a couple of hours. Bew likes it rough and enjoys being bitten all over and her necked sucked on. She told me to do things to her so that other men would know she belongs to me, my property. She liked being controlled during sex and is very submissive. I left her neck and pussy with all sorts of marks and hickies. The finish was a cum bath on her face. Yes, very high school of me, I know, but I didn't care. Then on top of that, I didn't allow her to shower afterwards. She could only wipe her face with some tissue and put on a little powder to cover the marks on her neck. And that's how I sent her dirty ass back to the bar. Later when I passed by Magic Table on my way to Chill Inn for a late bite to eat, some poor old sap was kissing on her neck in the patio. For sure, Monkeypaw's sloppy seconds was shared.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2237950]I thought I definitely made side deals with girl for FS on couch at both Lollytas and Kasalong (in each case no room upgrade), so where were they too stodgy to do that?
[/QUOTE]Som's Haven was like that. The new name is Duanaporn Massage or something and located around the bend from Sukhumvit across from Terminal 21 just off Ratchedaphisek. They had a 3 tier room/service rate; 700 baht for a BJ in a BJ room, 1700 baht for boom boom in a ST room and, in the middle, 1200 baht for when a BJ evolved into a boom boom in a BJ room. Maybe slightly higher rates on those by now.

Sure, a customer could choose a BJ room in advance for boom boom, try to save 500 baht by doing it in a chair, on the couch, on the floor, standing up, whatever. But I never did and instead went for it when the girl gave a green light ok to boom boom my way in a BJ room after I had thought it was only going to be a BJ. LOL.

And I am sure some girl's at Som's made a deal privately in the BJ room and pocketed the entire extra bit, cutting Som out of the deal. But Som knows every trick a P4P girl can pull and must have put the fear of god in the 2-3 girls that upgraded to boom boom with me in a BJ room. They all dutifully said I should pay the extra at the cashier afterwards.

Disclaimer. I am reasonably well versed with Brazil and German FKK. Newbie in Thai.

First day. Was a disaster.

Landed aroudn 9 pm, installed Grab (they don't have UBER). The car driver was helpful. 350 bhat from airport to westin.

He waited till I checked in and I read from the forum and another persons advise to go to La Belle for soapy massage. But it was 11 pm, and to my surprise the entire place was empty and not a single girl. Disappointed (had the GRab car guy wait for me), went to Taragon. Same story zero girls.

Then we drove by and I saw some street girls. One blonde girl (BOW) she insisted that she will come with her friend. 3 k for 2 girls for 2 pops. Total mechanical, fake and irritating. Did 2 and got them out of the door.

Went to Soi Cowboy. What a disaster. I went to coyote. With an expectation, that if I like a girl, I have to pay bar-fine and take the girl to the room. But these two girls just wanted drinks and suddenly came with a tab of 6 k in pretty much less than 1 hour.

I had an argument. The owner came. I was cool and told him, I was willing to pay for the girls and I bought them a total of 5+5 drinks and not 25 drinks. So I told them, I can pay 2500 (including my beers) and that's it. These 2 girls were screaming. And I said if they continued to scream I am going to call the cops. Eventually they agreed and paid 2500. Just didn't know for what other than touching the girls. Total ripoff.

So is soi cowboy a pick up place or a rip-off place. Pl share some guidance.

So far. 1 day in BKK total disaster. Feel like I should have saved my money and gone to Brazil.

Tomorrow late afternoon heading to Pattaya. Same driver. 1800 bhat. Grab says 1600.

Anh inputs please. (I have RTTF like 10 pages, but don't see proper guidance for mongering).

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[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2236744]
Kasalong:

Cons the water is cold. The operatives will inevitably soak not just your chap and surrounding areas, but your legs and feet as well.

LOLI**S (as in the book by Vladimir Nabokov).

Cons. Murphy's Law (vaguely what can go wrong, will go wrong) and the O'Reilly conjecture (Murphy was an optimist, I. E. It won't just go wrong, it will go wrong at the worst possible time) apply. If you choose an operative from the first of these two establishments, you are sure to see a preferable option in the second having only moments earlier spent your Baht and your load. If, however, you check the second one out before returning to the first, you'll get back just in time to see the object of your desires going inside with a Neanderthal in a Thai beer branded vest

LOLLIPOP (not to be confused with the mixed-gender go-go of the same name in Nana Plaza) Closed.

I had fond memories of this establishment from years ago. I say "had", because with the onset of handsomeness or senility (qv) I cannot recall for the life of me what it was like inside, I only recall seeing a bevy of operatives as I turned into the sub-soi and a chorus of "thank you, see you soon" as I was leaving. Anyhow, it is no more. The location on the first sub-Soi off Sukhumvit Soi 10 (heading south from Sukhumvit turn left at the Paradiso Hotel and it is straight ahead of you) is now an establishment called Bar-O.

The new name implies it could still be a house of oral relief. The sign saying Bar and Guest House, together with the outside bar and pool table may indicate otherwise. I didn't investigate closely but I certainly didn't see any significant sign of numerous operatives, just a couple of guys playing pool. Not wanting to risk the wrath of the ISG community by clocking up expenses (who do I send the claim to?) on just pool and beer with no meaningful information on sexual encounters, I moved on. After all, who'd want a Bangkok forum littered with posts that are completely irrelevant to the subject matter of ISG? Nope, me neither.

SOM'S HAVEN. Closed.

The long established Som's, which used to be down a sub-Soi off Sukhumvit Soi 14, is no more. The Haven is Dead, Long Live the Haven.

[/QUOTE]Nice report and great up to date info.

Like you, I went to Lollipops and everything looked the same. Same pool table in the same location. But the only difference was the name of the bar. I thought the new name was 'Numbers' and like you, I just didn't want to go in and ask what the change was.

For Kasalong, I actually enjoyed the cold water wash. It felt refreshing. It would shrink everything it touched but the joy of having everything warmed up again in her mouth was really good.

Som's Haven is indeedclosed. I went there and there is a massage parlour neighbour. As soon as I stopped walking and realized that there was no Som's Haven here, the massage girls sitting outside started laughing at me. Ensuing conversation showed that a lot of guys walk here, stop, look around as if an alien has taken Som's Haven away and generally look dumb founded. The massage girls will try to compensate for your loss if interested.

I also found in general, that a lot of the places didn't seem to have a lot of girls as before. It felt slow. Didn't know if blowjob was a seasonal phenomenon.

[QUOTE=XXL;2232271]LOL. I have Line but over time it has become cluttered with contacts I never initiated. And I keep getting mickey mouse gifs and all kind of infantile junk that means nothing to me. Is Today's youth relinquishing language to embrace some new visual hyerogliphic system of communication?

Plus I never figured out how to change the settings to English so that I don't get bombarded with messages and news in Thai.[/QUOTE]Here's the trick with Line.

It delivers based on your SIM "nationality" you can call 'free' etc using WIFi so try registering in Line with your home number, then you'll get the app in English, or whatever your home lingo is.

It will work anywhere in the world you have WIFI.

English Line is still available on a Thai SIM, the settings are not difficult to figure out.

Emojis, its subjective, but I find "Brown & Cony" kind of cute, like the girls themselves. Again, if its Thai script, well. Just roll with it to get laid, right?

As line is the go to app for TGs (also FB, but I don't use Zuckerburgs clusterfuck) it is def a must have. Line in LOS is like a handgun, better to have it when you don't need it, than need it when you don't have it.

No need to worry about being bothered when you return home, just block and delete them.

I never understood guys who amass 1000 Line contacts for girls they never talk to. If I haven't talked to a girl in the past month or two she is either Hidden or more likely Deleted. I actually keep guys on my Line longer than I keep girls. Imo 95% of the girls you have on Line are replaceable. Guess girls are the same. I am still on Line for some girls after years. When they bump into me they still show me on their Line. No idea why I wasn't removed ages ago. I barely recognize them but they certainly remember me.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;2238028]Disclaimer. I am reasonably well versed with Brazil and German FKK. Newbie in Thai.

First day. Was a disaster.
[/QUOTE]The better time to go to soapy is around 6 PM or a little earlier. You can also try massage places and ask for VIP room with jacuzzi to get a similar setup like soapy. Go after 3 PM for better selection.

You probably went into a Arab bar. Google it and you will find info.

Recommended to me by a Billboard dancer. I went there before an evening at the go-gos, just south of the entrance to Nana Plaza, they don't accept credit cards. An unassuming interior with zero atmosphere, I ate upstairs. But the food is superb, and while they serve traditional Thai dishes Miss Billboard suggested I focus on the Sushi and Sashimi, truly fresh as fresh can be. The Salmon is mouth-watering and succulent. But the shrimp tempura, easily the best I've ever had, by far, the batter used is very flavorful and not overly crispy. And the dipping sauce, amazing. Ordered a watermelon smoothie to go with it all, fantastic, served in a tall slender glass. Reasonable prices.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;2238028]
(I have RTTF like 10 pages, but don't see proper guidance for mongering).[/QUOTE]Go back at least 50 pages. 10 pages is way too low. Did you know everything that you needed to know about Germany and Brazil after reading only 10 pages?

Hi all!

I live in India, & may be because of my location in India, 99% of Girls displayed near me on my Skout app are from Thailand, with seductive DP's. Many even have their Line ID's in their profiles. So my question is, are those Thai girls WG's? Has anybody had any luck with setting up deals with WG's in BKK or Pattaya through Skout app?

Thanks in advance.

I'm not sure if I should separate this into the massage category. For now I'll just post it here.

Day 1.

I landed at DMK after spending a week in Singapore. The line at immigration was the worst I've ever seen in all my travels to BKK. Also for whatever reason, Air Asia did not provide any customs forms. After waiting about an hour, I made my way up to the counter and had to ask the customs officer for a form. I let the next person go ahead of me while I feverishly scribbled away as fast as possible. I picked up my luggage, changed some currency and headed up to the departures level. I jumped into a taxi that dropped off a passenger and the taxi driver didn't want to turn on the meter. He asked for 400 baht and I refused and told him to turn on the meter. Once we made it in to the city and during a traffic light on Ratchadaphisek Rd, he went out of the taxi and took a leak on a tree. When he dropped me off at my hotel, he complained about the total which came to 210 Baht plus the 110 Baht I paid for the tolls.

I checked into my hotel and went straight to Terminal 21 to get a sim card and something to eat. When getting a sim card from AIS, the customer service rep took a picture of me with his tablet. This is another new security measure, I suppose. I wound up going to Piri Piri Chicken as I had a ton of Asian food in Singapore. I saw something recently on Piri Piri style chicken and was in the mood. It was all right, it could've had more flavor and been a little more moist. Afterwards, I went down to the ground floor to stock up on amenities from the supermarket.

At that point it was about 9 pm and I was exhausted. I decided to go back to my hotel, showered and went to sleep.

Day 2.

I woke up and took a walk down to Vasu Exchange to change money and grab something to eat. Vasu definitely gives the best rates around that I've seen. After changing some money, I walked down to Soi 5 to grab some toiletries from Foodland. When I came out of Foodland, I decided to try the Indian / middle eastern restaurant across the street as I saw many customers there. I grabbed a turkish coffee and some egg and cheese bread dish. I don't think the coffee was worth 150 baht but the bread dish was decent.

I get back to my hotel room and book an appointment with Dream Heaven via Line. I wound up picking Mimi from Dream Heaven as she got some decent reviews. I usually like to book my 1st girl in BKK from Snow White as I've never had a bad time there through the years. When I was here in BKK in January, I had Ae and she was fantastic with a nice tight body and pretty face. But the roster at Snow White looked somewhat [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor.

I haven't been to Dream Heaven in a while, but I've had great service there through the years. I walked in and paid the counter girl for 90 minutes. Mimi comes out and she looks pretty much like her pictures. Mimi took us to a room the size of a slightly larger than a broom closet. She leaves me alone to grab her kit. It was fucking hot in that room. The AC was broken and instead of changing the room, Mimi went and got a fan. We take a shower and she does a lot of talking. I feel her up in the shower and this girl is soft all over with nothing up top. She could definitely use some firming up.

Once out of the shower, I tell her sex first and massage later. She gets me hard and barely blows me for less than a minute before she puts a condom on and gets on top of me. While riding me, I lightly spank her ass and I think she makes a complaint about it? I'm actually not sure. I had music playing on my phone. She didn't like the music and went to grab my phone. I took it back from her and skipped a few songs. I don't think I've ever had a working girl grab my phone before. We changed positions and I take her missionary and when I tried to kiss her, she turns her head. I never force myself on anyone who doesn't want to kiss me. We changed position to doggy and I spank her ass and she let me know not to do that again. In all my years of having sex with women, I've never ever had a woman complain about spanking their ass. Not one. It's getting hot in the room and I just want to nut and relax. After what seems like forever, I finally cum. I almost never get a massage in oilies, but what else am I going do. She actually gave a decent massage and offered me a handjob, which I declined.

I usually give a tip, but I obviously didn't in this case. Mimi kind of acts like she's a 10 when, she's barely a 6 with her body. When I was here in January, I had 25 different girls (oilies and freelancers) and 24 of them provided DFK except the one from be&be massage. 1st girl, not a great start.

[QUOTE=MRusa007;2238028]I have RTTF like 10 pages, but don't see proper guidance for mongering[/QUOTE]How would you? All you see on these pages are completely unrelated discussions on everything except the reason this thread was set up for in the first place.

Your best option is to read like a 50 pages page like another learned member pointed out OR spend that little money on a paid membership. Send a few PMs to other experienced members who might then share their wealth of knowledge with you. I will for one.

Finally created an account after being an 'under the cover' reader for so many years.

I'd be visiting BKK early Nov. Have shortlisted a few hotels in Soi 11: Travelodge, Citadines 11 & Citrus Sukhumvit 11.

I'm not too interested in ST or LT with bar girls while I type these words. I'm sure this will change once I'm at ground zero.

But I'm more keen on re-developing my rusted skills of being a "player" over a decade ago. For that I've got a premium membership of Thai Friendly. I've got some success in getting to know a few girls. But since I'm not there right now, they quickly lose interest. I'm hoping to score at least something there.

Anyways, my post is to ask for some advice from you gentlemen about:

1) The hotels that I've mentioned, could anyone please just pick one for me. I'm lost at this point weighing value for money and the property itself.

2) Are there any girls actually looking for "fun" on Thai friendly? Most of them I've come across are either freelancers or looking for serious relationship. Haven't found a single one in between. Of course they will not post or tell me such intentions in the first chat. But how do I go about luring them to my hotel. Wine and dine??

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I want to claim right now that I will write reports but I know I risk the wrath of a few who are already sure that I will not post anything once my 'needs' are met. So I will not claim anything right now. But I do have good intentions to post about my sinful activities. Cheers!!

[QUOTE=Rossyboy;2237965]Can anybody shed some light on the online site finfanfan? I'm thinking that maybe it's only for Thai nationals?[/QUOTE]

Fanfinfin has no restriction by nationality. However, it's entirely in Thai language and clearly geared towards the Thai market, so if you don't speak Thai, it's less accessible (but with enough patience, anything is possible). They even have a "/ farang" page, a half-hearted attempt to present what I guess are Farang-friendly girls, but it's still in Thai.

The procedure is simple: browse the site, add the girl to your Line by their Line ID (shown on the site and free). Then, arrange the meeting and activities through there. Some girls might not be able to read / write English, others might not like Farang (usually ask for a higher price, no thanks), but you'll eventually be able to arrange a session with someone. Confirm the price, activities and meeting place / time in advance.

In the profiles, the girls generally list the areas they're available in, their schedules, dos / donts and prices. Reading the profiles before contacting them is useful and makes the process smoother (so they don't have to answer the same questions 20 times per day, in a foreign language no less).

As for translating the profiles, thai2 english site is more useful than Google Translate. However, as on most monger sites, there's plenty of slang (no fresh, small milk) so direct translation is of limited use, you need to figure it out yourself.

Most girls seem to prefer outcall, either at their room or an ST hotel of their choice. Some can come to your place, if you're lucky to be within their coverage area.

Out of 3 sessions I had so far, all girls had a rather pleasant attitude, and delivered on what they promised (2 leisurely shots for 1200-1500 baht + hotel). For what it's worth, I speak Thai, have been around for a while and tend to pick girls who seem interesting, rather than just going for the hottest looking photo out there. It's a small sample, so YMMV, and for an average tourist the results might not be as good.

Why only 3 sessions so far? I dislike is the overhead of arranging things online. Overhead tends to be at least 3 h from first message to the meeting, contact does not always result in a meeting, and you might find yourself braving traffic and searching for a building on a small soi in a distant part of Bangkok (like Ramkhamhaeng or Ngamwongwan). I must say Fanfinfin has made me pessimistic about the entire online prostitution scene. It's has a wide selection, decent prices, ok process (direct contact) and sessions tend to go well. Unfortunately, for me it's simply far less fun than strolling along Sukhumvit and talking to the eager girls back in the good old days.

Once you're with the girl, if you ask, the girls can invite you to member-only Thai groups with even more providers than the website (posting inviting pictures and offers). Seems interesting at first, but it gets a bit tedious after a while, and is not the kind of content I want arriving to my Line constantly.

If you speak zero Thai or don't care to go out of your comfort zone, I imagine this scene could be frustrating, but it can be done with patience. Prices sure beat that big Farang-oriented "escort" site by a factor of 3, and selection is better too.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2238290]As for translating the profiles, thai2 english site is more useful than Google Translate. However, as on most monger sites, there's plenty of slang (no fresh, small milk) so direct translation is of limited use, you need to figure it out yourself.

If you speak zero Thai or don't care to go out of your comfort zone, I imagine this scene could be frustrating, but it can be done with patience. Prices sure beat that big Farang-oriented "escort" site by a factor of 3, and selection is better too.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree. Thai phrases are indirect with lots of euphemisms, and Google Translate just messes it up totally. Thais may even spell words wrong on purpose to be funny. "no Fresh" clearly means no bareback, and small milk is actually "small breasts" just incorrectly translated since Thai words have multiple meanings.

So I don't recommend for people not used to Thais and their language. I have not really even tried it despite reading and writing Thai, since I am very fussy but wish to peruse large line ups to find the one girl that appeals. Besides, as a monger, I have virtually almost reached retirement level, being pretty happy with a small number of regular girls, and shrinking.

I can see it should be good for those willing to invest some time, and prices should be better. Quality, well you have to find the right one.

Used to be a big fan of BJ bars. Esp kasalog, where Tik always used to provide wonderful services. However, somehow had never tried Magic Table.

Post recent reviews, went there Sat evening, reached around 1 am. Maybe too late. As there was no action happening. Just 1 young guy making out with 2 (kind of) old ladies. Took a beer and asked mamasan to send a ladies in. She said only 3 available apart from the 2 in front of me. Didn't want to steal so asked to show others. One was super ugly, one okayish. Was too tired so asked her so took her in the vip room for a quick BJ.

Fah, from Issan. Face 5/10 but has a good body and decent natural racks. Is very friendly and co-operative, maybe asking her for a drink before the deed worked (though she was all fun and set to start even without it). Post drinks, she went all over like a GF. Very very co-operative, asked what I like and made sure she put in the extra efforts (DT, Multiple positions, very wet BJ, CIM, no teeth and took all the load in her mouth). Had told her that I will let her know, when finishing and she asks "Do you do too much? I told depends on her. She was a big sport, took even the last drop in her mouth. However, her technique is a little weak. No teeth etc. , but mostly similar motions, which get boring after 5-10 minutes.

Overall good GFE experience. Exchanged numbers, line ID and left after 30-40 minutes.

I have some serious concerns about the hygiene of the place. No washing before the deed like they do at Kasalong or Chrome (only wet wipes). Also, no use of mouthwashes before or after the deed. Post BBBJ + CIM, Fah just wiped her mouth with the wet wipes. That's it!! Walked back to my hotel and scrubbed the shit out of my dick.

Won't repeat because of hygiene.

Safe Mongering,

LC.

For entertainment value, enthusiasm and quality of your topless ladies, plus a high level of service from the mamasan at each bar, I would rate your bars over Baccara and Shark at Soi Cowboy. However, why do you allow your servers to hound customers to buy them drinks? What in the actual fuck. How is this enhancing customer enjoyment? Tell me. I am trying to chat up a lady and have a good time, I do not mind buying her drinks if she's someone I am interested in fucking. Then some little ugly and scrawny server rat gets in my face about tips and drinks. Fuck you. I will do that on my own if so inspired, maybe a slight tip, maybe. Then, at Angelwitch, I was overcharged on the total bill, wasn't a small error. Get your shit together and you'll actually make more money because you'll have better word of mouth and more returning customers. Got it?

P.S- for sex I highly recommend "A" #62, a tallish gazelle, 31 years old with A cup naturals, comes off high class, amazing smile, no fat, could be a model. In the bedroom she was smoking hot, just unreal. Very sensually vocal throughout (a big turn on), and highly responsive to oral (perhaps my biggest turn on with a woman), she thrust her hips up high while coming, uttering sounds I've never heard before. Bonus, she has a small and tight pussy, incredible. 2 others in Billboard I rate a 9 are #311, C cup naturals, has a look that completely knocks me out, and #837, tallish, B cup naturals with an amazing tight body, a perfect ass with her white G string thong, a winning outgoing seductive personality and smile (has braces).

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2238403]
Overall good GFE experience. Exchanged numbers, line ID and left after 30-40 minutes.

Won't repeat because of hygiene.
[/QUOTE]I guess these are pics of her. 1st one pointless because can't see anything. "loves Asks Meets" slogan on her top seems amusing and baffling. Can't even imagine Google Translate spitting that out. LOL

2nd pic has face partially covered but lower half of the face looks good, like she should be more than a 5 points. Sort of pretty well above average to me, or am I wrong? Maybe I have my optimistic hat on? Does the eyes area spoil the looks.

Despite bad hygiene you took her contact details? The hygiene was really only a comment on the shop and not her? I was just slightly confused.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2237956]Why do you have to stay same Hotel as your buddy? Is he the boss and paying? LOL Surely there must be much better budget Hotels? Is the Ambassador really cheap?[/QUOTE]We stay at the same hotel for social reasons (coordinating meals, naps, and tours are easier when in same hotel). My buddy has limited funds and he doesn't want to spend more. We both like the larger tower rooms. Next trip I will insist on a better hotel, probably Dream Bangkok.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2238564]We stay at the same hotel for social reasons (coordinating meals, naps, and tours are easier when in same hotel). My buddy has limited funds and he doesn't want to spend more. We both like the larger tower rooms. Next trip I will insist on a better hotel, probably Dream Bangkok.[/QUOTE]You may find there are budget Hotels with a much better room. You can state your price range and room size requirements, and ask the forum what hotels are recommended. I had a big room in Asoke Studio for really excellent price a few months back. I think Dream Hotel will be rather pricey compared to some other Hotels available. I have stayed at Dream myself but quite a long time ago. I did not think it was best value for money.

I never heard anyone recommend Ambassador. LOL. I am not aware what price it goes at, so hard to recommend best alternatives.

In general, I don't recommend going on tours at all. Waste of money. Especially do not go to gem shops! LOL Could go to same venues on your own and some are dull anyway. i.e. I think the "floating Market and Rose farm" are silly. Bridge on the River Kwai death railway (it is actually river Kwae) and war cemetery is a stupid tour. Has nothing really. You can go to Emerald temple and Wat Pho without a tour. LOL You can see Wat Traimit the Gold Buddha on your own, or Jim Thompson's house. I did like the Siam Niramit show at the cultural centre (that might be one of the few tours worthwhile). Crocodile farm and Ancient Model City are not too bad. If I was to go to Kanchanaburi (death railway province), I would much prefer to see nature, like the Erawan falls. Normal tours don't do that.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2238576] Bridge on the River Kwai death railway (it is actually river Kwae) and war cemetery is a stupid tour. Has nothing really. [/QUOTE]The Bridge and the cemetery are not worth the trip. But the War Museum, about a 5 minute walk from the Bridge down their little main street, is very much worth spending a couple of hours browsing around, imo. There is a big chunk of the original Bridge in there for one thing. Nazi and Japanese Generals' limos circa 1940s. Weaponry, helmets and uniforms, tons of never seen (by me) photos of the labor camps and farangs in them. Almost nobody knows about it or goes there. 50 baht entrance fee. Wish I had spent more time checking out the exhibits. Also, as long as you are in that general area, Erawan Falls is worth a hike up to the top of the 7 falls and take a slide and swim. Not for the frail of body getting all the way up there.

After Dream Heaven, I stopped by next door to Rung Reung noodle shop. I ordered two medium noodle dishes, one with soup and one without. Very good for 120 baht including the iced longan drink. I find the one close to Dream Heaven and the open area to be slightly better, but the other one has an easier menu where you can exclude the organ meats.

I decided to go take a nap and rest up. My nap wound up taking 3 hours. I guess I was a lot more tired than I thought as I did not get a good night's sleep. I feel rested and ready for some more action. It's a little past 9 pm and really the perfect time to hit up Thermae. I really like this place as there's no cigarette smoking and the action starts early. Now that I'm not in my 30's anymore, I prefer an early night. I walked inside and ordered a Singha and took a stroll through the bar. Man, this place is packed and it's only a weeknight. I don't recognize a single girl that I've taken before. The quality of the girls seems a bit lower than before but I see a decent looking girl with a nice rack. If you see someone you want, you better make your move as the better looking girls get snatched up quick. I sashay over to her and make small talk. Her name is Nan and we agree to 2500 baht for ST. I leave the rest of my beer and walk out 10 minutes after walking in. Most of the time, I like to take my time and soak in the atmosphere.

We ignore the taxis and the ladyboys out front and walk a little bit towards Soi 15 and grab a taxi. Taxi winds up costing a whopping 55 baht. There's no security guard on duty and we take the elevator up. Once in the room, I offered Nan a drink. Surprisingly, she picks LEO beer. I turned the TV on for her and jump in the shower. I come out and she's texting on her phone and I see she's finished the beer.

While Nan is in the shower, I take out some lube and condoms. Clothed in the bar, Nan looked fantastic. Some of these ladies can really hide a lot. I wasn't sure what to expect as she's only 23. When she removed the towel as she joined me in my bed, I was ecstatic. Nan looked even better than I ever imagined with perfect, natural sized see cups and no belly fat or baby damage and a really nice ass. Nan makes the 1st move and actually started to kiss me. 1st closed mouthed and then full on DFK make out session time. Nan starts licking me all over and then proceeds to blow me for a few minutes. Nothing special in technique, but watching her tits and her face while in the act is pretty amazing. I cap up and have Nan ride me and she feels amazing. I feel up her ass and it's nice and firm. We change positions multiple times and I finally finish up in doggystyle after at least 20 minutes of fucking.

I'm sweating like crazy and I see Nan has sweat glistening from her tits and body. We make some more small talk and Nan tells me she started going to Thermae 3 months ago and she only "works" there 5-10 days a month. However, she always has at least 3 customers a night. I was customer # 2 of the evening. Nan takes another shower and I pay her after she gets dressed and she gives me a nice kiss and I tell her that I hope to see her again sometime.

I think Nan was actually the best looking girl I've ever had from Thermae if you include body. I asked her if she worked out and she laughed and said no. Thermae can really be a hit or miss. A year ago, half the girls were mediocre service, but for whatever reason, I had really great luck earlier this year in terms of quality and service.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2238629]The Bridge and the cemetery are not worth the trip. But the War Museum, about a 5 minute walk from the Bridge down their little main street, is very much worth spending a couple of hours browsing around, imo. There is a big chunk of the original Bridge in there for one thing. Nazi and Japanese Generals' limos circa 1940s. Weaponry, helmets and uniforms, tons of never seen (by me) photos of the labor camps and farangs in them. Almost nobody knows about it or goes there. 50 baht entrance fee. Wish I had spent more time checking out the exhibits. Also, as long as you are in that general area, Erawan Falls is worth a hike up to the top of the 7 falls and take a slide and swim. Not for the frail of body getting all the way up there.[/QUOTE]Almost nobody knows about it?" How could you possibly know that? I certainly know of it, unless I went to a different war museum. I don't remember fine details that much now, but I recall a lot of photos and old equipment certainly. So many years back. Part of tours I assume, but I did not find it worth the trip really, even though better than looking at a cemetery. Just did not do anything much for me.

The actual bridge is not there any more of course.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2238290]Fanfinfin has no restriction by nationality.

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If you speak zero Thai or don't care to go out of your comfort zone, I imagine this scene could be frustrating, but it can be done with patience. Prices sure beat that big Farang-oriented "escort" site by a factor of 3, and selection is better too.[/QUOTE]The first real valuable report and some genuine intel in a long time. Thank you Croc. I think I will nominate this one for the ROD page.

Yes. Hygiene comment was for the shop and not for the lady. I am sure if she comes in, we can do better. She herself was clean shaven and smelling good.

The pics are from her line ID, in reality was a bit lower. Or, maybe I was a bit harsh in numbers. It's always subjective what one likes.

I am not sure about the photo guidelines on the forum about faces. So took it off. Happy to share over line / pm.

Thanks.

Safe Mongering,

LC.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2238550]I guess these are pics of her. 1st one pointless because can't see anything. "loves Asks Meets" slogan on her top seems amusing and baffling. Can't even imagine Google Translate spitting that out. LOL

2nd pic has face partially covered but lower half of the face looks good, like she should be more than a 5 points. Sort of pretty well above average to me, or am I wrong? Maybe I have my optimistic hat on? Does the eyes area spoil the looks.

Despite bad hygiene you took her contact details? The hygiene was really only a comment on the shop and not her? I was just slightly confused.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2236635] Funny thing, her pricing is everywhere. The last guy, paid her only 1000 baht for the couple of hours that she sucked and fucked him in his room. He messaged me bragging about how much less he paid than I did. [/QUOTE]Hi bro,

I like your stories they are often very entertaining but I have a question for this particular case. How come that last guy has your number? Is he a friend of yours or something? This seems a bit strange or did he grab her phone and contacted you on line or something?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=EvilThoughts;2238274]2) Are there any girls actually looking for "fun" on Thai friendly? Most of them I've come across are either freelancers or looking for serious relationship. Haven't found a single one in between. Of course they will not post or tell me such intentions in the first chat. But how do I go about luring them to my hotel. Wine and dine[/QUOTE]Those that write they're looking for fun mean they're looking for money. Those that are really looking for fun normally don't talk about it publicly but come straight to your room after a bit of flirty talking. The rest is looking for a serious relationship but normally easy to lay as well. I've actually stopped going on dates. Most girls from TF now either come to my condo directly or we meet in my Soi and then I just walk them to my condo. They're all in the 18-24 yo range. I am not bad looking but am not a Brad Pitt either. I'm 10-15 years older than they and look 20 years older than they. I can speak Thai and normally click well with them. I source some 2-3 new girls per month while there's a also a turnover of losing some girls over time for various reasons. My biggest problem now is that I became a sex addict and that I need a new pussy regularly. Even the hottest girl I cannot fuck more than 3 times; first time is exciting and I cum too early, second time is good and we have great sex, third times it starts to get boring. By the fourth time I need to take Viagra.

If you want to be sure, just have dinner at a restaurant and then take them back to your place. Pick a restaurant that's in walking distance to your condo. Never had a girl refusing that. I could probably lay more girls if I weren't so super lazy.

I'the say 90% of the girls are looking for serious relationships. Some more desperately than others ("my name May, have baby 2, looking for man to take care baby and me" Some 5% are freelancers. Some 5% are looking for fun.

I also believe it depends on who's making contact. Some girls are freelancers while others just ask for money when they don't find the guy contacting them super-hot. Some 10 years ago when I was in my twenties I banged massage and gogo girls for free. Recently a buddy who was visiting banged a freelancer from Insanity for free. Some of them are real pros, some others just go with the flow.

[QUOTE=EvilThoughts;2238274]
1) The hotels that I've mentioned, could anyone please just pick one for me. I'm lost at this point weighing value for money and the property itself.

2) Are there any girls actually looking for "fun" on Thai friendly? Most of them I've come across are either freelancers or looking for serious relationship. Haven't found a single one in between. Of course they will not post or tell me such intentions in the first chat. But how do I go about luring them to my hotel. Wine and dine??[/QUOTE]1) Try Citadines, it is good and relatively cheap.

2) Not sure what you are looking for; do you mean freelancers can not provide "fun"? Girls on TF that are looking for "serious relationships" will tell so on their profile. The rest is open for sex ST or LT with the right guy and you can get them in your room without "wine and dine". Those with minimal profile info and reply "any" on mens age group are openly freelancers just looking for business IMO.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2238670]Almost nobody knows about it?" How could you possibly know that? I certainly know of it, unless I went to a different war museum. [/QUOTE]Well, you didn't mention it when you mentioned the Bridge and cemetery, I don't think I have seen it cited on the tour van banners, I have mentioned it to at least 3 tourists and expats who went there to see the Bridge and they didn't know it was there even though they are into WWII related topics, I only knew about it because I bothered to open a dusty brochure on a dusty rack at my nearby hotel, the hotel driver who took us from the hotel to the Bridge had no idea where it was even though it is within a 5 minute walk of the Bridge, we had to ask 3-4 vendors on the very soi it was located on where it was before we found one who knew (I was with a native Thai speaking gf, btw), when we got there we had to practically blow an air horn to pull an attendant out of hiding to sell us an entrance ticket and during the hour or so we were there on a Saturday with huge crowds down the soi gawking at the Bridge, we saw only three other couples and 1 family, all farangs except one couple, in the place.

It is much bigger than even we thought at first survey. It is three levels, indoors and outdoors, dozens of rooms and sections, some small and others as big as a warehouse. But you'd need to explore around a while to discover that. Imo, there is no way anyone could pop in for a few minutes just to check it out and make an informed opinion that there is nothing much to see here.

If I had to guess, I'd say the Thai Department of Tourism is not so keen about promoting that particular attraction as much as others because it doesn't exactly flatter their highly valued Japanese trade. But not so much that they would close it down and bury the artifacts. Purely a guess and speculation on my part, mind you. There sure were tons of Japanese tourists right outside taking photos of the latest version of the Bridge. But I did not see any in that WWII museum.

[QUOTE=EvilThoughts;2238274]
2) Are there any girls actually looking for "fun" on Thai friendly? Most of them I've come across are either freelancers or looking for serious relationship. Haven't found a single one in between. Of course they will not post or tell me such intentions in the first chat. But how do I go about luring them to my hotel. Wine and dine??
[/QUOTE]There is a lot of Opposite Speak and willful self-delusion on the dating sites.

Girls who say they want honesty and hate liars are often the ones most likely to agree to meet you at 3 pm and might finally own up to not having even left their room yet at 6 pm. And when they arrive will be the most dramatically different than their photos. But not in a good way.

Girls who come across as the most demanding of total fidelity for the rest of their and your life even before the first date will turn out to be so lacking in positive attributes you can't imagine any man maintaining fidelity to her all the way to the end of the first coffee meeting, much less for life.

Girls who warn you not to even THINK about bedding them down on the first date do so because they already know from countless times before that all it takes is for you to lay your open palm on their blue jeans covered thigh in a movie theater to cause them to leave a wet spot on the seat and prove to you before that first date night is over they've got the roundest heels and fastest spring-loaded legs in Bangkok.

So too is the case with many "looking for a serious relationship" girls on the dating sites. I suppose some of them are simply saying "I am not a hooker" in other words. But almost every dating site girl I have enjoyed for dating fun with no real focus on turning it into a marriage proposal originally said they were only looking for "a serious relationship". And almost without exception they hang in there to see me again and again after a wink and a nod understanding that I most certainly must be banging tons of other girls between our occasional dates.

For the most part, the only girls whose similar admonishments I heed are the mid 30's girls who say they have no kids and want kids (I have had a vasectomy) and / or who ONLY say they are looking for Marriage in that particular profile option. That is my concession to at least some level of honor I suppose. Although they are really walking into trouble themselves for clicking Interested in me, considering what I say on my profile.

Luring them to your hotel room, for me at least, starts with getting them on Line and then a video chat "just to say Hello" ASAP. Keep it very smiley, light-hearted and cute. Then propose a meeting in a public place like a mall, near your hotel. If at coffee, lunch or dinner you are inspired to bed her down, suggest something as bland and unthreatening as catching a movie or just walking around the mall (unless you are both quite into drinking and are looking to get tanked).

In the natural lull during or afterwards, ask her what she'd like to do next. It seems an extraordinary number of Thai girls will just say, "Up to you". With as little sneaky hesitation as possible, you then say, "Great. Let's go to my room and relax a while."

If she doesn't dig in her heels to object, off you both go.

Hello guys,

Can you share some good contacts. As I will be visiting next week. Please PM me.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2238792]Well, you didn't mention it when you mentioned the Bridge and cemetery, I don't think I have seen it cited on the tour van banners, I have mentioned it to at least 3 tourists and expats who went there to see the Bridge and they didn't know it was there even though they are into WWII related topics, I only knew about it because I bothered to open a dusty brochure on a dusty rack at my nearby hotel, the hotel driver who took us from the hotel to the Bridge had no idea where it was even though it is within a 5 minute walk of the Bridge, we had to ask 3-4 vendors on the very soi it was located on where it was before we found one who knew (I was with a native Thai speaking gf, btw), when we got there we had to practically blow an air horn to pull an attendant out of hiding to sell us an entrance ticket and during the hour or so we were there on a Saturday with huge crowds down the soi gawking at the Bridge, we saw only three other couples and 1 family, all farangs except one couple, in the place.

It is much bigger than even we thought at first survey. It is three levels, indoors and outdoors, dozens of rooms and sections, some small and others as big as a warehouse. But you'd need to explore around a while to discover that. Imo, there is no way anyone could pop in for a few minutes just to check it out and make an informed opinion that there is nothing much to see here.

If I had to guess, I'd say the Thai Department of Tourism is not so keen about promoting that particular attraction as much as others because it doesn't exactly flatter their highly valued Japanese trade. But not so much that they would close it down and bury the artifacts. Purely a guess and speculation on my part, mind you. There sure were tons of Japanese tourists right outside taking photos of the latest version of the Bridge. But I did not see any in that WWII museum.[/QUOTE]But I have never been interested in going to the site. I don't know why, just after seeing the photos I was disappointed. I would argue with you on the point about offending the Japanese tourists. The number one tourist attraction in Honolulu is the USS Arizona Memorial in Pearl Harbor. The Japanese arrive in bus loads. The numbers are amazing.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2238876]But I have never been interested in going to the site. I don't know why, just after seeing the photos I was disappointed. I would argue with you on the point about offending the Japanese tourists. The number one tourist attraction in Honolulu is the USS Arizona Memorial in Pearl Harbor. The Japanese arrive in bus loads. The numbers are amazing.

RL.[/QUOTE]Then don't go there. I didn't exactly say one should plan his trip to Thailand around a visit to that WWII museum or to even make a side trip to Kanchanaburi to see it. LOL. Only if you are going to be in the area, it is worth spending some time there where looking at or walking on the Bridge is done and finished in 5 minutes and the cemetery is a look to your left as you drive by experience.

And I did not say the Japanese tourists avoided the museum because they are ashamed of the photos and evidence of their brutal wartime atrocities on exhibit there. Just that there is so relatively little promotion of it by and in Thailand. Who knows, maybe those Japanese tour group sales pitches feature giant headlines about how no trip to Thailand should happen without a stroll through the history of Japanese atrocities against Thais, Burmese, Western European Farangs and so on but they just can't generate much interest in it.

On the other hand, I would say Americans promote the hell out of a visit to Pearl Harbor for any tourists from every country in the world.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2238792]Well, you didn't mention it when you mentioned the Bridge and cemetery, I don't think I have seen it cited on the tour van banners, I have mentioned it to at least 3 tourists and expats who went there to see the Bridge and they didn't know it was there even though they are into WWII related topics, I only knew about it because I bothered to open a dusty brochure on a dusty rack at my nearby hotel, the hotel driver who took us from the hotel to the Bridge had no idea where it was even though it is within a 5 minute walk of the Bridge, we had to ask 3-4 vendors on the very soi it was located on where it was before we found one who knew (I was with a native Thai speaking gf, btw), when we got there we had to practically blow an air horn to pull an attendant out of hiding to sell us an entrance ticket and during the hour or so we were there on a Saturday with huge crowds down the soi gawking at the Bridge, we saw only three other couples and 1 family, all farangs except one couple, in the place.
[/QUOTE]It is possible I missed that museum and was taken to something else as I don't recall it being that large. Too long ago now. Alzheimer's setting in. I did go to some sort of museum, recall some artifacts and a lot of depressing photos, and was a little bored by it to be honest.

A quote from Wikipedia (just slightly confusing LOL):

"The major railway bridge described in the novel and film didn't actually cross the river known at the time as the Kwai. However, in 1943 a railway bridge was built by Allied POWs over the Mae Klong river renamed as a result of the film Khwae Yai in the 1960's at Tha Ma Kham, five kilometres from Kanchanaburi, Thailand Boulle had never been to the bridge. He knew that the railway ran parallel to the Kwae for many miles, and he therefore assumed that it was the Kwae which it crossed just north of Kanchanaburi. This was an incorrect assumption. The destruction of the bridge as depicted in the film is also entirely fictional. In fact, two bridges were built: a temporary wooden bridge and a permanent steel / concrete bridge a few months later. Both bridges were used for two years, until they were destroyed by Allied bombing. The steel bridge was repaired and is still in use today".

So there is a railway bridge over the River Kwae Yai (sounds closer to Quare than to Kwai LOL) in the town, maybe repaired after being aerial bombed. However little to do with the wooden bridge depicted in the movie with Alec Guiness starring. On Google Maps it seems nothing like 5km from the town. Much closer. So is it relevant at all?

Here is what some others wrote on internet:

JR Armstrong:

"It is technically in Tha Makham, and runs over the river Kwai Yai, though if you're travelling there you will want to ask for Kanchanaburi, which is the nearby town. It is still standing, though it was destroyed and rebuilt during the war, and has since had extensive repairs / modifications. It is near the end of the line, where the war memorial stands at Hell's Pass on the Burmese border.

Note that if you're after the bridge of the film of the same name, that movie is fictitious, and the river was not even called by that name until decades later. The name may have been fictionalised from another river in the area, Kwai Noi (little buffalo), which now merges with Kwai Yai (big buffalo) to become Mae Klong, which was the name of the River Kwai at the time. ".

Elise Rollon:

"The real Bridge on the River Kwai during the JEATH War or World War is located at the JEATH War Museum basement.

No, it is not standing or not being used until now. The Bridge on the River Kwai (the black one) you see in pictures right now is a new bridge.

If you want to see you can go on a day tour to the Kanchanaburi Province to see the original bridge (parts of it) at the JEATH War Museum and to see the new bridge (black one) that is still being used by people and by trains. ".

Despite these, I don't see any evidence there is a Kwai river at all. Just an English misspelling and mispronunciation of Kwae. Kwai means buffalo, but Kwae does not. So "Little buffalo" and "Big buffalo" are actually big buffalo bullshit.

If you ask a Thai about river Kwai, they generally have not heard of it, as the main river in Kanchanburi is called the Kwae. Actually Kwae Yai joins to Kwae Noi on google Maps to become Mae Khlong. From what I read above, Kwae Yai section was originally called Mae Khlong as well, a little guess work here, since all the info is contradictory on the face of it.

Here is the new bridge (or is it a war time one repaired? Certainly not the one referred to in the movie:
[url]https://goo.gl/maps/paPhgCA4WSR2[/url]

There is also a Hell Fire Pass museum about 80 km from Kanchanburi town toward the Sai Yok Yai waterfall. So okay Some artifacts in the Jeath War museum are probably the real thing.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2238290]Fanfinfin has no restriction by nationality. However, it's entirely in Thai language and clearly geared towards the Thai market, so if you don't speak Thai, it's less accessible (but with enough patience, anything is possible). They even have a "/ farang" page, a half-hearted attempt to present what I guess are Farang-friendly girls, but it's still in Thai.

The procedure is simple: browse the site, add the girl to your Line by their Line ID (shown on the site and free). Then, arrange the meeting and activities through there. Some girls might not be able to read / write English, others might not like Farang (usually ask for a higher price, no thanks), but you'll eventually be able to arrange a session with someone. Confirm the price, activities and meeting place / time in advance.

In the profiles, the girls generally list the areas they're available in, their schedules, dos / donts and prices. Reading the profiles before contacting them is useful and makes the process smoother (so they don't have to answer the same questions 20 times per day, in a foreign language no less).

As for translating the profiles, thai2 english site is more useful than Google Translate. However, as on most monger sites, there's plenty of slang (no fresh, small milk) so direct translation is of limited use, you need to figure it out yourself.

Most girls seem to prefer outcall, either at their room or an ST hotel of their choice. Some can come to your place, if you're lucky to be within their coverage area.

Out of 3 sessions I had so far, all girls had a rather pleasant attitude, and delivered on what they promised (2 leisurely shots for 1200-1500 baht + hotel). For what it's worth, I speak Thai, have been around for a while and tend to pick girls who seem interesting, rather than just going for the hottest looking photo out there. It's a small sample, so YMMV, and for an average tourist the results might not be as good.

Why only 3 sessions so far? I dislike is the overhead of arranging things online. Overhead tends to be at least 3 h from first message to the meeting, contact does not always result in a meeting, and you might find yourself braving traffic and searching for a building on a small soi in a distant part of Bangkok (like Ramkhamhaeng or Ngamwongwan). I must say Fanfinfin has made me pessimistic about the entire online prostitution scene. It's has a wide selection, decent prices, ok process (direct contact) and sessions tend to go well. Unfortunately, for me it's simply far less fun than strolling along Sukhumvit and talking to the eager girls back in the good old days.

Once you're with the girl, if you ask, the girls can invite you to member-only Thai groups with even more providers than the website (posting inviting pictures and offers). Seems interesting at first, but it gets a bit tedious after a while, and is not the kind of content I want arriving to my Line constantly.

If you speak zero Thai or don't care to go out of your comfort zone, I imagine this scene could be frustrating, but it can be done with patience. Prices sure beat that big Farang-oriented "escort" site by a factor of 3, and selection is better too.[/QUOTE]Excellent information. Three hours invested per session! Ugh! That does make it less than appealing.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2238850]There is a lot of Opposite Speak and willful self-delusion on the dating sites.

Girls who say they want honesty and hate liars are often the ones most likely to agree to meet you at 3 pm and might finally own up to not having even left their room yet at 6 pm. And when they arrive will be the most dramatically different than their photos. But not in a good way.

Girls who come across as the most demanding of total fidelity for the rest of their and your life even before the first date will turn out to be so lacking in positive attributes you can't imagine any man maintaining fidelity to her all the way to the end of the first coffee meeting, much less for life.

Girls who warn you not to even THINK about bedding them down on the first date do so because they already know from countless times before that all it takes is for you to lay your open palm on their blue jeans covered thigh in a movie theater to cause them to leave a wet spot on the seat and prove to you before that first date night is over they've got the roundest heels and fastest spring-loaded legs in Bangkok.

So too is the case with many "looking for a serious relationship" girls on the dating sites. I suppose some of them are simply saying "I am not a hooker" in other words. But almost every dating site girl I have enjoyed for dating fun with no real focus on turning it into a marriage proposal originally said they were only looking for "a serious relationship". And almost without exception they hang in there to see me again and again after a wink and a nod understanding that I most certainly must be banging tons of other girls between our occasional dates.
[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Amusing stuff. Yes demand honesty but are not honest.

I do believe there are girls out there looking for a serious relationship, in droves. Really means they want a rich man to look after them so they don't have to work hard any more, and good sex would be a bonus. However many of these women have aged and not kept their body in best possible shape to attract men easily, and some do not have any English, so puzzles me how they expect to catch a Farang husband.

Even my long term GF seems to be allowing herself to put on a lot of weight now. Once was skinny (40 Kg). I fear she will be a fatty before much longer, and I have no experience fucking fat girls at all. Used to have very hot body, but just starting to decline now (too much beer I guess). Permanent relationships is not a great idea. LOL

[blue]Here the link to test. This is not the thread to do that.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?370-Add-Test-Messages-Here[/blue]

I'm fat, 63 and have a nice heart, open wallet and nice condo. I'm smoking them right now on TF and Tinder. I never go older than 30 and haven't paid more than 2000 LT. I do my cruising at night or on the BTS. It beats walking in the heat. And I hate lower Sukhumvit.

She used to work for Boss Massage on Sukhumvit soi 24/1, and no she is a freelancer on soi 4. When you go down the soi, you will find her on the right side after Hooters. She is quite regular there. She is 30+, slim body, silicone boobs. Regular sex is 1000 thb I think and A-level is 1500 thb. She will bring you to a hotel nearby. She is the kind that delivers PSE: BBBJ, CIM, DATY, 69, DFK, RJ, etc. I recommend, and she is funny and relaxed.

To admin: I have read the rules regarding posting pictures. I do not believe I infringe on them but if it is the case, it is by mistake.

So. I guess after reading multiple threads, I am a bit confused and have a naive question. Is there any reason to believe that agencies such as bangkokgoldenescorts or bangkokdreamsgirl or absolute-angels may have hotties with total fake pics? And what are the chances that one will land up in a bait and switch? The reason I am asking is that finding someone of your type may not be that easy for grab whether at bars or freelancers on streets or on dating sites. Especially when you are traveling on a short trip. And even if you are able to find one, what are the odds that they could deliver what you want and don't get into drama afterwards. So in my understanding it may be true that agencies might be bit more expensive, but from time and service perspective for a short visit, wouldn't you say agencies might be better bets?

And I totally get the kick of scoring a hottie on street but the odds are a bit puzzling to me.

Any thoughts?

So funny and so true. I had one girl I found on TF tell me while negotiating cost and time of meeting out of the blue she says no ass! OK I didn't even ask. After 1/2 hour of bed time she asks to do her ass!!

Figure that one out.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2237751]In my experience, all of the BJ bars are expecting the customer to pay up front, at least for the initial BJ. I could be wrong, and forget the system at Loli-tas. [/QUOTE]Afterskool definitely doesn't, I was there about a week ago. I'm a regular (ish) there so theat may be why I don't pay until I'm done.

Most guys know Smooci is hit or miss, but a lot misses. Those photos are tricky. So here's some more valuable intel. My top choices that have been Monkeypaw verified are Vanida and Gita. They delivered as advertised and look accurate as in their photos. So for those of you follow Monkeypaw's lead on looks, beauty, and service. You know what to do. As for the girls I've reported on and recommended, I can make them famous. Call it Monkeypaw's power of popularity. Vanida and Gita, sexy, hot bodied, and PSE available. Forget what's listed on Smooci. It's all about how much game you have once in the room and how horny you can make the girl. Extra tips will help as well. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=ShinyMewtwo;2238725]Hi bro,

I like your stories they are often very entertaining but I have a question for this particular case. How come that last guy has your number? Is he a friend of yours or something? This seems a bit strange or did he grab her phone and contacted you on line or something?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]You are asking, who is he? He's just like you and me. We all find gems and treasures here and there. I like to share most of mine, Read my reports and posts carefully. The devil is in the detail. Good luck in your hunt. For those who succeed, sweet rewards await. And trust me, there are those who do eventually get this whole Monkeypaw business.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2238986]I do believe there are girls out there looking for a serious relationship, in droves. Really means they want a rich man to look after them so they don't have to work hard any more, and good sex would be a bonus. However many of these women have aged and not kept their body in best possible shape to attract men easily, and some do not have any English, so puzzles me how they expect to catch a Farang husband.[/QUOTE]I'd agree, but they have their bar set very high. They all think they should be able to land a multi-millionaire with very little effort, and this coming from daughters of farmers, many of whom have not or have barely finished high school. A bit unrealistic and that is why many of them settle for the big bucks they can make in the bar if they are good looking. But of course those looks don't last forever. I see many "old bargirls" who were young and pretty and thought too much of themselves and now are way past their "sell by date" and really have few options. And that will happen to many of these young cuties as there are few that hit the million dollar lottery, and if they do, many will mess that up as well.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2239038]So funny and so true. I had one girl I found on TF tell me while negotiating cost and time of meeting out of the blue she says no ass! OK I didn't even ask. After 1/2 hour of bed time she asks to do her ass!!

Figure that one out.[/QUOTE]Simple man, her pussy was in pain. I have a regular girl that only offered me her ass when she had serious pussy pain. Normally she does not like it that much. Must be well over two years since she last offered me her ass. A rare exception, however she did have experience in it for sure.

Look I only make a wild guess. Who knows her mind in reality, she could be crazy. Could be she liked you so much, she really wanted to please. Maybe she figured you would cum in a hurry in there. LOL

An ex Snow White girl June had been away for months. I had done her ass before (maybe just once), and she offered again. However she really could not relax it any more (out of practice). So I just could not get the dick in there (too tight and unrelaxed).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2237733]I don't think the girl cares so much about how far your hotel is if you take her LT. However, you must adjust your expectations on the amount of time she spends with you and you pay for her taxi home. I used to have a girl come visit me in Pattaya from her Thai bar in Sri Racha but I let her go at 1 pm instead of 3 pm since she had longer to travel back home to get ready for work.[/QUOTE]What's the scene like in sri racha, IE generally number of girls, quality and price, I have been to ban chang, rayong and ban phe rld's so any new playgrounds are a curiosity, your response will be greatly appreciated esp if you point me to its location as well.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2238986]Ha ha. Amusing stuff. Yes demand honesty but are not honest.

I do believe there are girls out there looking for a serious relationship, in droves. Really means they want a rich man to look after them so they don't have to work hard any more, and good sex would be a bonus. However many of these women have aged and not kept their body in best possible shape to attract men easily, and some do not have any English, so puzzles me how they expect to catch a Farang husband.

Even my long term GF seems to be allowing herself to put on a lot of weight now. Once was skinny (40 Kg). I fear she will be a fatty before much longer, and I have no experience fucking fat girls at all. Used to have very hot body, but just starting to decline now (too much beer I guess). Permanent relationships is not a great idea. LOL[/QUOTE]I am in the process of thinning out the herd right now. One otherwise quirky cute and accommodating 20 year old is getting too chubby and an otherwise slender, well proportioned and hot to trot 30 year old is getting a little too lax about her oral duties. I put down the challenge to improve on precisely those issues and left it up to them to figure out if they can cut it or not. If they can, great! I like them both but don't feel I need to compromise on those factors here and now. If not, great! I'll have two empty stalls in my stable to fill and am really looking forward to it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2238986]Even my long term GF seems to be allowing herself to put on a lot of weight now. Once was skinny (40 Kg). I fear she will be a fatty before much longer, and I have no experience fucking fat girls at all. Used to have very hot body, but just starting to decline now (too much beer I guess). LOL[/QUOTE]Par for the course, buddy. Time to recycle and replace. The great thing about our hobby is that there is always a fresh new batch of young delectable entering the workforce pool every year.

I was in BKK around 2 weeks ago, one night I went to Nana.

The soi looked pretty dead even compared to last year in July. The same goes for NEP, saw few customers, no good looking girls outside the gogos and the place was overloaded by LBs. I ended up at Twisters I think, didn't took a girl but spent a ladydrink (215 bath, by the way she tried to order 2 separate drinks) on a girl that did not even let me touch her a bit or talk more than 10 seconds with me (but said she was OK for a 1 shot ST at 3000+1000 barfine, noway that I barfine a girl that would not even let me touch her). Her number is 321 (face so so but nice body with a beautiful ass), she was the one that initiated the eye contacts and lot of smiles, but once she drank her shot of tequila she became completely cold. The same applies to her friend (Number 320, very pretty) whose been called only once when I was there, but was very stressed at the idea of going to sit with a guy. So avoid these 2 girls as they are a complete waste of time and money. I paid the bill with the exact amount for not having to wait the change and the waitress even dared asking a tip for "all the staff". All the other girls were looking drunk or not very interested in being barfined so I walked back to soi cowboy and it was pretty much the same as NEP, almost no customers. I ended up at Sharks, no real good looking girls except maybe one coyote but she was already with a guy. I called a girl that was smiling a lot and had a good attitude, paid her a drink but she didn't want to get down from 2500+700 for 1 shot or didn't want to give 2 shots for that price. As she wasn't a stunner and it was late (1 o'clock) I finally declined and went back to my room where I booked a girl from smooci who turned out to be very good. I will make a report about her on the escort thread.

I install the eatigo app and look for breakfast places. Chu Asok is available for 20% off. I have 30 minutes to kill and I finish up some work related matters and start the walk over. I've eaten at Chu many times and it's one of the better brunch places around. I showed the waiter my eatigo reservation and placed my order of lemon curd pancakes and a flat white. The 20% does not include drinks and must be paid in cash. Everything is good as usual and my 1st time using eatigo was a definite success. I think I saved around 60 baht. I make another reservation on eatigo with Goji Kitchen on Soi 22 for dinner. The only dinner buffet available is at 9 pm for a whopping 50% off. It's a little later than I like to eat and I'm not a huge fan of buffets, but what the hell. Regular cost is around 1400 baht.

I get back to the hotel and call Pretty Massage and make a booking with Fang. I take the BTS and arrive a little earlier than expected. I decided to take a look at Tulip to kill some time and see what they have on offer. I haven't taken anyone from Tulip in years, the last being View (who was good but very average looking). Maybe it's early, but the 10 ladies that I saw I wouldn't fuck if you paid me 1000 baht.

I make the walk across the way and head into Pretty Massage. There are 2 little kids sleeping on the floor. I approach the counter and tell the lady that I have a booking. She asks, "Fong?" I tell her yes and pay her for 90 minutes. Pretty Massage used to offer 120 minutes, but it looks like they did away with that. Fang (apparently pronounced fong) comes out and looks pretty good and close to her photos with a decent sized rack. Fang walks us up into a fairly small room and surprisingly she does not have to grab her kit. It's already in the room. I don't think I've ever seen that before. We both disrobe and it's fairly obvious that Fang's rack is man made.

Fang gives both of us a cursory wash. I lay down waiting for her and once out of the shower and toweled off, Fang puts my flaccid dick in her mouth and blows me a for a while until I get hard. I put on my condom and Fang gets on top without any lube and rides me while I start feeling up her tits. Her tits are fairly hard (not a great job) and she has band aids on beneath the nipples. How I didn't notice them before is beyond me. We change positions multiple times and we kissed during most of the session, but there was really no passion from her. I finally finish in doggy and collapse onto the bed. I ask her about her implants expecting that she just got them done recently. But no, she tells me she got them done 3 months ago because she works as a model on the weekends. I'm thinking why the hell do you still have bandaids under the nipples for? Most girls even if they don't like you after sex will cuddle with you, but Fang just sat there. We eventually shower up and I tip Fang after we both get dressed.

Overall, if you ever imagined what sex with a robot would be, Fang is your girl. Physically, Fang has a pretty face but she is too skinny with absolutely no ass and big fake tits.

Day 3 continued.

Goji Kitchen.

I've never been a fan of Soi 22. It feels a bit sketchy walking here at night. Actually, I don't even like walking around during the daytime here. Anyway, I walked into the Marriott Marquis and show the maitre'd my eatigo reservation and she takes me to a table and informs me that I have until 10 pm and that water, coffee and tea are included with my meal. I head straight for the meat station and get some prime rib along with some sides. Prime rib is average and the sides are not much better. I grab food from every station (some stations have already closed or about to close such as the pasta station). I think what drew me to try this place was that they had king crab legs. I finally find it tucked in its own corner. The crabs legs have been deshelled already and do not look too appetizing. I grab 3 along with some sad looking sushi. The crab legs taste as good as they look. They're dry and tasteless. I finish up with some fruit (star fruit, custard apple and mango). The fruit was definitely the best part of the meal. My bill comes to a little over 900 baht (630 something plus vat and service charge from the original price). Coming here at 9 pm is not ideal as the restaurant starts to get ready to close up shop and who knows how long the food has been out at that point. However, I'm not sure how much better the food is at say 8 pm or even when they open for dinner.

In spite of everything, I'm stuffed and no way am I picking up a girl on this night. I head back to my hotel and watch something from my computer and sleeping by 12 am.

[QUOTE=XRatedBangkok;2239015]She used to work for Boss Massage on Sukhumvit soi 24/1, and no she is a freelancer on soi 4. When you go down the soi, you will find her on the right side after Hooters. She is quite regular there. She is 30+, slim body, silicone boobs. Regular sex is 1000 thb I think and A-level is 1500 thb. She will bring you to a hotel nearby. She is the kind that delivers PSE: BBBJ, CIM, DATY, 69, DFK, RJ, etc. I recommend, and she is funny and relaxed.

To admin: I have read the rules regarding posting pictures. I do not believe I infringe on them but if it is the case, it is by mistake.[/QUOTE]I took her before at Boss Massage and saw her on Asok BTS yesterday as I was walking by. I didn't stop to say Hi. She's a nice lady, but her tit job is not good and she's getting a bit long in the tooth.

Does someone know if is it worth going to Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy for New Years Eve? I mean, is there a good party at the GoGos or should you better go to a Club like Levels or Insanity?

[QUOTE=DerHerrBlum;2239238]Does someone know if is it worth going to Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy for New Years Eve? I mean, is there a good party at the GoGos or should you better go to a Club like Levels or Insanity?[/QUOTE]I never go to Levels or Insanity, but I do know the gogo bar fines are doubled on New Year's Eve. A lot of the best girls are gone as well since they will already have been bar fined for the night, but there is still talent.

You can space things out, find regulars, experiment or be patient and picky, etc. Whereas a guy like me has to get 7 weeks worth of sex fit into a 7 day time window (every 2 years in my case). Got it right more often than not this time vs last time, but realize that good chemistry and luck definitely factor in. Funny, by the end of the week the area just above my dick was massively sore, the ladies grinding me for the big O while in cowgirl. Can't do much about that but wear it as a badge of honor I guess, LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2238986]Ha ha. Amusing stuff. Yes demand honesty but are not honest.

I do believe there are girls out there looking for a serious relationship, in droves. Really means they want a rich man to look after them so they don't have to work hard any more, and good sex would be a bonus. However many of these women have aged and not kept their body in best possible shape to attract men easily, and some do not have any English, so puzzles me how they expect to catch a Farang husband.

Even my long term GF seems to be allowing herself to put on a lot of weight now. Once was skinny (40 Kg). I fear she will be a fatty before much longer, and I have no experience fucking fat girls at all. Used to have very hot body, but just starting to decline now (too much beer I guess). Permanent relationships is not a great idea. LOL[/QUOTE]I just went thru a similar situation. Found a teacher late 30's who had gone thru a hysterectomy a few years back. Unmarried no kids great body and a real tight box. Sweet lady. After a few months she informed me she quit her job and needed a little help. Asked when we could get a condo and when would I move to Bkk?

My next visit to Bkk she would spend hours on her tablet watching Facebook and YouTube. I asked her what's up with that and she replied that she's learning English. She also has put on a few kilos and does not cook, eats 7/11 microwave food. The final slap was when she said we are having to much sex, and can we just schedule a few nights a week.

Aloha Lady. It's over good bye. Now I'm on the hunt again. Although it's hard to find one that has had a Hysto and no period and no worry about pregnant and never need condoms. A God send.

RL.

[QUOTE=XRatedBangkok;2239015]She used to work for Boss Massage on Sukhumvit soi 24/1, and no she is a freelancer on soi 4. When you go down the soi, you will find her on the right side after Hooters. She is quite regular there. She is 30+, slim body, silicone boobs. Regular sex is 1000 thb I think and A-level is 1500 thb. She will bring you to a hotel nearby. She is the kind that delivers PSE: BBBJ, CIM, DATY, 69, DFK, RJ, etc. I recommend, and she is funny and relaxed.

To admin: I have read the rules regarding posting pictures. I do not believe I infringe on them but if it is the case, it is by mistake.[/QUOTE]LOL. Somehow I had missed this post until now. I should have KNOWN she was a former Massage Shop worker. I hate Massage Shops. Went to Boss Massage once and hated that place. The girls are so programmed by previous experience to do exactly the same thing with every customer, it is almost impossible to get them to adjust even ever so slightly to someone who does not want it done like a machine. She was the one I mentioned having taken (as a FL) recently and put her out with only cab fare because her attitude was so lousy that she was actually barking orders and angry that I would dare ask her to please for the love of god go slower with that bj. Then she "pretended" not to know what to do or not do with her hands after I had to resort to placing them here and here to get it right. Impossible to get her adjust to anything other than what she'd already done 1000s of times before For me, that is.

However, after I put her out with only cab fare, I did think how lucky her very next customer will be. He will have no idea what just happened and will marvel at how this girl seems sooooo accommodating and sweet with him.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2239431] I hate Massage Shops. Went to Boss Massage once and hated that place. The girls are so programmed by previous experience to do exactly the same thing with every customer, it is almost impossible to get them to adjust even ever so slightly to someone who does not want it done like a machine. She was the one I mentioned having taken (as a FL) recently and put her out with only cab fare because her attitude was so lousy that she was actually barking orders and angry that I would dare ask her to please for the love of god go slower with that bj. Then she "pretended" not to know what to do or not do with her hands after I had to resort to placing them here and here to get it right. Impossible to get her adjust to anything other than what she'd already done 1000s of times before For me, that is.

However, after I put her out with only cab fare, I did think how lucky her very next customer will be. He will have no idea what just happened and will marvel at how this girl seems sooooo accommodating and sweet with him.[/QUOTE]While I agree that generally most freelancers are a shitty lot, there are good ones somewhere (hard to find), and Boss was at one time one of my favourite places. Looks of the girls were superior to other shops (for skinny types). Last year had Pin, who was delightful, not that skinny, however she did not last. Other girls there moved on to other shops. Did have an extremely crap girl there or two, over time but also good ones. Probably 75% success rate there. No silicones on my choices. They are not all the same!

I find it crazy to rate the shop, other than typical line up quality or is the Papasan an idiot (Can Cam) etc. , really. It is all about your chemistry and fun with individual girls. A bad girl does not make the shop a write off at all, not a bad papasan really. Even poor quality rooms can be tolerated at times unless foul stench. Does anything other than the girl really matter?

[QUOTE=TigressWanted;2239346]You can space things out, find regulars, experiment or be patient and picky, etc. Whereas a guy like me has to get 7 weeks worth of sex fit into a 7 day time window (every 2 years in my case). Got it right more often than not this time vs last time, but realize that good chemistry and luck definitely factor in. Funny, by the end of the week the area just above my dick was massively sore, the ladies grinding me for the big O while in cowgirl. Can't do much about that but wear it as a badge of honor I guess, LOL.[/QUOTE]7 days is far too short. Find a new job on contract that can give you more time off per year.

I love the girl grinding on me to get her cum in cowgirl, especially if BB. Yet you write as though it has to be tolerated. I feel for you that you had to fuck so many times as to be sore. I don't really want to live in my home country any more. Just visit it once or twice a year, put in an appearance. LOL Apply for a few Visas to other countries.

[QUOTE=DerHerrBlum;2239238]Does someone know if is it worth going to Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy for New Years Eve? I mean, is there a good party at the GoGos or should you better go to a Club like Levels or Insanity?[/QUOTE]I am sure action can still be found somehow.

Bangkok is really quiet around New Year as many Thais leave Bangkok.

Tomorrow is Ork Phansaa (monks exit from Buddhist Lent retreat). This means bar closured tomorrow and likely from midnight tonight. Won't affect me. Some strict Buddhists will go back to alcohol after abstaining for weeks, so watch out for drunks on 25th (Thot Kratin day when monks get their new orange robes) but bars open.

I belive today is Chulalongorn day and some people are having a public holiday.

[url]https://finfanfan.com/[/url]
Fin is a slang word meaning awesome, so I guess title means "find awesome fans" or find persons for liasons.
Fan Fin would mean awesome "fans" as Thai puts adjectives after nouns. Fin first looks like a verb.
Some places they wrote FanFinFin, other way around.

[url]https://finfanfan.com/post/nui145[/url] here is example of a girl. Too chubby for my taste but other guys write reviews.

Submitted by moonaa on Mon 22/10/2018 - 15:27:
นุ้ย แตกปากได้. บริการดีมีนวด ไม่หล่นแน่ครับ
Says can CIM(literally "break mouth possible") , and does a good massage.

Cost: 2,500
บริการดี. เกินคุ้ม นวดน้ำมัน อาบน้ำ. ตัวเล็กนมใหญ่. แตกปากได้. มาอารมณ์ร่วม. ต้องหานุ้ยเลยครับ
Says big tits but pics suggest not so big. 2nd last phrase is not 100% clear to me.
Something like "comes the shared desire/excitement" or maybe "mutual desire to do things together" . Thais write things that are not quite sentences. LOL Maybe leads into last phrase that he must go to see Nui, (when the desire comes).

Translate apps will get some phrases close but fuck up others.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2239456]While I agree that generally most freelancers are a shitty lot, there are good ones somewhere (hard to find), and Boss was at one time one of my favourite places. Looks of the girls were superior to other shops (for skinny types). Last year had Pin, who was delightful, not that skinny, however she did not last. Other girls there moved on to other shops. Did have an extremely crap girl there or two, over time but also good ones. Probably 75% success rate there. No silicones on my choices. They are not all the same!

I find it crazy to rate the shop, other than typical line up quality or is the Papasan an idiot (Can Cam) etc. , really. It is all about your chemistry and fun with individual girls. A bad girl does not make the shop a write off at all, not a bad papasan really. Even poor quality rooms can be tolerated at times unless foul stench. Does anything other than the girl really matter?[/QUOTE]The ex-Boss Massage girl in question here is named Pin. But must not be the same one if, unless I misunderstood your post here, you avoided siliconed girls. This Pin has huge, obvious silicone enhanced boobs. There are pics of her in the original post I quoted.

I am very distracted by silicone so not sure why I went ahead and took her. Except that the earlier expressed positives about her attitude were conveyed in the street. Unfortunately, in my case, those positives evaporated and went hard in the opposite direction within a minute of her actually starting to perform her services for me in the room.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2239490]The ex-Boss Massage girl in question here is named Pin. But must not be the same one if, unless I misunderstood your post here, you avoided siliconed girls. This Pin has huge, obvious silicone enhanced boobs. There are pics of her in the original post I quoted.

I am very distracted by silicone so not sure why I went ahead and took her. Except that the earlier expressed positives about her attitude were conveyed in the street. Unfortunately, in my case, those positives evaporated and went hard in the opoosite direction within a minute of her actually starting to perform her services for me in the room.[/QUOTE]I seem to recall Goat tried Pin at Boss and had a good time too. I thought Pin had no silicones but a good sized chest. The pics are a bit fuzzy, but her tits were not that big that I remember. Face not too dissimilar.

Ha ha. I just found my old post and only this year too. She did have implants after all (my Alzheimers LOL). So it must be her.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=2146932&viewfull=1#post2146932[/url]

Goatscrot, what is your opinion?
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=2154205#post2154205[/url]
I see Xrated recommends her too. So good for many but not for ET with highly exacting requirements. LOL I only wanted a fun time and I got it. Maybe I would get bored with her quickly as not exactly stunning. LOL I will try again if find her.

I know that chemistry can go south quickly, I would have to read my own report detail to remember much more.

Some girls that I have a bad time with can be great for others.

I will go find Pin in Soi 4 because we went so well together. LOL Yes the tits were a bit much my report says, but not rock hard. I do not prefr silicones but tolerate them sometimes if still soft. One favourite bargirl Pat has large tits enhanced but are so soft that it is very hard to find where the silicone is. Down deep. Plus her pussy is one of the very most beautiful and luscious.

I remember first reporting about Emmy at Snow White giving me a good time (long time back now), and others were very luke warm about her at the time, yet later she became popular and possibly improved her skills.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2239488][url]https://finfanfan.com/[/url]
Fin is a slang word meaning awesome, so I guess title means "find awesome fans" or find persons for liasons.
Fan Fin would mean awesome "fans" as Thai puts adjectives after nouns. Fin first looks like a verb.
Some places they wrote FanFinFin, other way around.
[/QUOTE]Despite my ability to read and write Thai, I am unlikely to use this site. Requires too much effort. The pics of girls suggest a lot of surgeries girls. Also the prices for any girls I like the look of are not that special. One advertised 2000 for 1 HR, 3000 for 2 hours 2 shots and 500 extra for CIM. She looked good but pic did not make her looks as evident as I would like. I would need to see the girl properly by video and Lat Prao (as example) area is not convenient. I would rather do girls I know already, or bargain beautiful girls, maybe. Prefer picking a girl out of a large selection in one place, unless I find a very special looking girl in the pics.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2239496]I seem to recall Goat tried Pin at Boss and had a good time too. I thought Pin had no silicones but a good sized chest. The pics are a bit fuzzy, but her tits were not that big that I remember. Face not too dissimilar.

Ha ha. I just found my old post and only this year too. She did have implants after all (my Alzheimers LOL). So it must be her.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=2146932&viewfull=1#post2146932[/url]

Goatscrot, what is your opinion?
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=2154205#post2154205[/url]
I see Xrated recommends her too. So good for many but not for ET with highly exacting requirements. LOL I only wanted a fun time and I got it. Maybe I would get bored with her quickly as not exactly stunning. LOL I will try again if find her.

I know that chemistry can go south quickly, I would have to read my own report detail to remember much more.

Some girls that I have a bad time with can be great for others.

I will go find Pin in Soi 4 because we went so well together. LOL Yes the tits were a bit much my report says, but not rock hard. I do not prefr silicones but tolerate them sometimes if still soft. [/QUOTE]LOL. Yes, my "highly exacting requirements" would not include being growled and barked at and her voiced raised in anger because I politely asked her to go slower with her blowjob. And then to have her adamantly refuse to adjust in the slightest as her anger increased. I was only interested in having a fun time, too. And that is what we had right up until the moment she began the BJ and it turned out to be so mechanical and unvarying I had to politely ask for something slower to at least remotely simulate sensuousness.

BTW, I notice no mention of a blowjob in your earlier review. Maybe that is where you lucked out. That is very important to me even as foreplay. And that is where her attitude went very negative, so negative I really had no interest in nursing her back into the "fun" connection we had established up to that moment.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2239513]LOL. Yes, my "exacting requirements" would not include being growled at and her voiced raised in anger because I politely asked her to go slower with her blowjob. And then to have her adamantly refuse to adjust in the slightest. I was only interested in having a fun time, too. And that is what we had right up until the moment she began the BJ and it turned out to be so mechanical and unvarying I had to politely ask for something at least remotely simulating sensuousness.

BTW, I notice no mention of a blowjob in your earlier review. Maybe that is where you lucked out. That is very important to me even as foreplay. And that is where her attitude went very negative, so negative I really had no interest in nursing her back into the "fun" attitude we had established up to that moment.[/QUOTE]"lucked out" is an unfortunate expression. Seems to mean "out of luck" in my part of the world but reverse in USA. Perhaps USA always used it in an ironical sense being exact opposite of apparent meaning. [url]https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=LUCKED%20OUT[/url] So means almost nothing now due to different interpretations.
I guess the USA sense is like, "I was really out of luck today as got raped by this stunning nympho" LOL (so clearly ironical).

Ha ha. Yes hard to fathom since I like extreme slow motion BBBJ also. I have to agree with you as previously that many girls have one pace and do not respond well to instruction to go slower. Just don't seem to be able to fathom that a BJ could move that slowly. LOL

I start a session by joking around with girl in very non serious manner, so maybe she took to my attitude okay Maybe she has changed due to bad experiences or was her time of month. LOL. I am very careful not build dramas unnecessarily, but I do get really bad BJs from girls on occasion as I have written already. If BBBJ was not good I would move to something else. Reading my report on Pin, I said 69, but did not mention any other BBBJ. I did write she had ability to go slow.

One can never really fathom these things. Why do some guys have such good experiences in a shop where mostly is bad for me? Not Boss but La Belle is one shop where I hardly get a good girl. I did have a couple of absolutely pathetic girls at Boss but can't remember who they were now. I even had a weak experience at Tulip once. LOL Almost unheard of. The girl with pussy warts (forgot the name now).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2239459]I love the girl grinding on me to get her cum in cowgirl, especially if BB. Yet you write as though it has to be tolerated. I feel for you that you had to fuck so many times as to be sore.[/QUOTE]I love it too, didn't notice the soreness until the 4th day, but truly I enjoyed it all, never felt as if I was "tolerating" anything, except being hounded for tips and drinks by servers when I was at the go-gos. As for "fucking so many times" I was just trying to get the most bang for my buck and time, with some varied experiences. Freelancers, go-go ladies, MPs, even got lucky with a woman who barebacked me on back to back nights (for 1,000 BHT extra, told me she had just tested safe) near the end of my trip. Took her out dinner, with even better sex, on the second night, a real cutie, early 20's. Sometimes luck comes to those who create it, can't win the lotto unless you buy a ticket.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2239488][url]https://finfanfan.com/[/url]
Fin is a slang word meaning awesome, so I guess title means "find awesome fans" or find persons for liasons.[/QUOTE]Don't know what Fin means but fan is for girlfriend, so finfanfan is probably something like "look for a good girlfriend". In the title in Thai it says Finfanfan then comes the words "look for a girlfriend" then comes "site line" then comes "jang thiao (this one I never heard before, but by looking in google it seems like it means looking for a Kik or looking for a girlfriend).

I would use this site if I could stay in BKK for a long period. Had a brief look at it, quickly found 1 than says she take it up the ass for 1500, look not bad in pic but stays in Ratchada, others were saying that they are OK with CIM. Finding the location they are working in is probably one of the biggest issue as they are not staying in the touristic areas.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2239490]The ex-Boss Massage girl in question here is named Pin. But must not be the same one if, unless I misunderstood your post here, you avoided siliconed girls. This Pin has huge, obvious silicone enhanced boobs. There are pics of her in the original post I quoted.

I am very distracted by silicone so not sure why I went ahead and took her. Except that the earlier expressed positives about her attitude were conveyed in the street. Unfortunately, in my case, those positives evaporated and went hard in the opposite direction within a minute of her actually starting to perform her services for me in the room.[/QUOTE]It's the same girl, I've met her once also when she was working in Boss. I remember she was doing a very slow BBBJ with some DT, I didn't felt that she was bad back then. Her look was not that great but she was nice, her pussy was very good also. I remember I tried to fuck her ass but it was so loose that I could feel nothing, then I went to her pussy and realized that it was by far better than her ass. I guess that most guys going for her were taking her ass so her pussy was still in good shape.

[QUOTE=XRatedBangkok;2239015]

To admin: I have read the rules regarding posting pictures. I do not believe I infringe on them but if it is the case, it is by mistake.[/QUOTE]Nope if she allowed the pics, no one will stop you posting them. I generally don't post pics myself any more including girls faces, as could get me into trouble with the girl. Could be copied to her friends or relatives, who knows. Without a face, then pics become pretty useless so I don't any pics much any more. So just be aware girl could find out her pics appeared. I know of certain girls that read the forum. My regular girl expects high level of discreetness (if that is a word) maybe discretion, as she is quite recognisable, and does not need gossip, so I am never seen with her on Sukhumvit (or seen anywhere else.

Not the ugliest pics we ever saw by a long margin LOL even if conditions of lighting made it hard to get good focus. Allows me to recognise Pin that went missing from Boss earlier in the year, in the end, even I had forgotten her implants were that much. I lost another girl I liked from Mango also but that name is not coming to me. LOL.

I would love to post pics of my prettiest girls (not nude) if I could be sure only guys on the forum could ever see them and not copy them.

Years ago I berated Moebius over his forum pics, because the centre of attraction in his pics was always his own cock, and any appearance of a girl was purely incidental using a tiny portion of the picture. Not much tits or pussy. Maybe never a pussy. He was so hurt by my comment, he disappeared completely, or maybe he was ashamed he loved his own cock that much. LOL Unfortunately, I had pointed out, that cock does not turn me on, and we could do with a lot more girl in his pics. The are rules here that this is not a gay forum. LOL While you have cock appearing, you did not get carried away with it (not every single pic), and we have pussy as well, so fine by me.

Others post some pretty ugly shots, I am not that keen on the splooge type myself, but different guys like different things. I rarely even open the photos thread. LOL That section has not enough beauty to interest me much.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2239456]While I agree that generally most freelancers are a shitty lot, there are good ones somewhere (hard to find), and Boss was at one time one of my favourite places. Looks of the girls were superior to other shops (for skinny types). Last year had Pin, who was delightful, not that skinny, however she did not last. Other girls there moved on to other shops. Did have an extremely crap girl there or two, over time but also good ones. Probably 75% success rate there. No silicones on my choices. They are not all the same!

I find it crazy to rate the shop, other than typical line up quality or is the Papasan an idiot (Can Cam) etc. , really. It is all about your chemistry and fun with individual girls. A bad girl does not make the shop a write off at all, not a bad papasan really. Even poor quality rooms can be tolerated at times unless foul stench. Does anything other than the girl really matter?[/QUOTE]She was at Boss Massage for years.

Hello Gents (and ladies if any are lurking around).

A small act of kindness if I may. I haven' been in BKK in a long while and the last two visits were filled with ladies on the "always call first list". I've got a Sunday and Monday evening to satisfy my urges, and would like some direction. I try to stay out of go go's and massage parlors if possible, just prefer known pick up bars, etc.

I am aware of Spasso's, but don't know if is slow until after the music starts or not. I also haven't been there in years, so not sure what the realistic number is for a ST Spasso lady these days. Any intel or recommendations for a FL type atmosphere in other locations (Thermae, etc.) would be gratefully appreciated.

Best,

Sky.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2239578]
I would love to post pics of my prettiest girls (not nude) if I could be sure only guys on the forum could ever see them and not copy them.[/QUOTE]Post them nude, but don't show their faces. Who cares about what the girl's face look like anyway if they aren't nude?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2239621]Post them nude, but don't show their faces. Who cares about what the girl's face look like anyway if they aren't nude?[/QUOTE]I like pretty girls myself, but for mongering I like to pick them when nude or scantily clad. I used to post pics of nude girls with face obscured sometimes, however these days rarely request a naked pic. My regulars probably would not be happy posing nude, most likely. Some are not keen for me to have any pics that might be shared with someone. I usually just steal pics off their LINE account.

I think pics are completely useless if girl is clothed and face covered as well. If clothed and face appears, better than nothing.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2239496]I seem to recall Goat tried Pin at Boss and had a good time too. I thought Pin had no silicones but a good sized chest. The pics are a bit fuzzy, but her tits were not that big that I remember. Face not too dissimilar.

Ha ha. I just found my old post and only this year too. She did have implants after all (my Alzheimers LOL). So it must be her.
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Goatscrot, what is your opinion?
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I see Xrated recommends her too. So good for many but not for ET with highly exacting requirements. LOL I only wanted a fun time and I got it. Maybe I would get bored with her quickly as not exactly stunning. LOL I will try again if find her.

I know that chemistry can go south quickly, I would have to read my own report detail to remember much more.

Some girls that I have a bad time with can be great for others.

I will go find Pin in Soi 4 because we went so well together. LOL Yes the tits were a bit much my report says, but not rock hard. I do not prefr silicones but tolerate them sometimes if still soft. One favourite bargirl Pat has large tits enhanced but are so soft that it is very hard to find where the silicone is. Down deep. Plus her pussy is one of the very most beautiful and luscious.

I remember first reporting about Emmy at Snow White giving me a good time (long time back now), and others were very luke warm about her at the time, yet later she became popular and possibly improved her skills.[/QUOTE]Pulled her off Soi 4 a few weeks ago. Service was more lackluster than when she was at Boss. I will not be repeating.

[QUOTE=Jim200;2239185]I make the walk across the way and head into Pretty Massage. There are 2 little kids sleeping on the floor. I approach the counter and tell the lady that I have a booking. She asks, "Fong?" I tell her yes and pay her for 90 minutes. Pretty Massage used to offer 120 minutes, but it looks like they did away with that. Fang (apparently pronounced fong) comes out and looks pretty good and close to her photos with a decent sized rack. Fang walks us up into a fairly small room and surprisingly she does not have to grab her kit. It's already in the room. I don't think I've ever seen that before. We both disrobe and it's fairly obvious that Fang's rack is man made.

Fang gives both of us a cursory wash. I lay down waiting for her and once out of the shower and toweled off, Fang puts my flaccid dick in her mouth and blows me a for a while until I get hard. I put on my condom and Fang gets on top without any lube and rides me while I start feeling up her tits. Her tits are fairly hard (not a great job) and she has band aids on beneath the nipples..[/QUOTE]I like that place, I've been there numerous times but it's a hit and miss place. Sometimes I met very lovely girls there and some others were not worth the money and energy spent on them. If you're looking for a good service you've got to go with their most experienced girls (the ones that appear on the downside of the page on their website). Not all of these girls are available though, they can come and go whenever they want. Their newest girls are on the top of the page, and sometimes they are very inexperienced. Fang looks very cute on the pictures, I'm surprised she already has a boob job and that she took care of your dick straight after the shower, normally their young girls are starting the session slowly. Did you go there on week end? I've been there on Saturday and couldn't get a 2 hour session also but they told me that they do it only on week end because they've got too many customers and not enough girls but during the week the 2 hours booking are available again.

The girls that I wanted were not available so I went for Indra (her pic is not on the site) for a 90 min session. She is cute, just a little bit chubby, around 25 years old, more white than the usual Thai working girls with nice natural breast but has only limited English knowledge.

She said that I was her first westerner as she is usually picked by Asian guys only, so she was a bit dick scared. I don't remember if I kissed her but she did a nice BBBJ, then 69 (not the best for that) then we went for a nice and sensual fuck, her pussy was small and felt great. She was very submissive and I liked that a lot. There was still half an hour left so we had a good chit chat with a bit of massaging until the end of the time. The session was pretty relaxed and she was in a good mood and smiling all the time. Cute girl but didn't repeat as she is not exactly the kind of girls that I fall for and there were too many other girls available. Price is 2200 baht for 90 minutes.

I wake up and send a sms to a former massage girl asking to meet up. I need to change some more money and pick up some dick pills as I have an ambitious plan for the next few days. I change $500 at Vasu and head over to the pharmacy next to Bully's. I walked into the pharmacy and I typed apcalis on my phone and asked the guy there the cost. He tells me 400 baht and I hand over the money. Last time I bought apcalis, the price was 500 baht at Southeast Pharmacy. I believe it was less than 400 baht a little over 18 months ago, but they kept increasing their prices. The former massage girl finally responds to my sms and we make plans to meet up in Ekkamai.

I walked back towards my hotel but stop off at the noodle shop on the corner of Soi 25 Sukhumvit for brunch. I ordered the noodle soup dish and water. This is a very mediocre noodle soup that makes me appreciate Ruan Reung. Total bill I think came to 70 baht. Once in my room, I pop an apcalis pill and store away most of my money in the safe.

I decided to check out Soi 24/1 and get some early afternoon action. I walked by B&B and the girls looked pretty good and sexy, but I've sworn off that place as I had only one amazing, sexy girl from there (she told me she was leaving the next day for school and she never came back). I tried 3 other times and they were all awful and their rooms are awful and they do not properly dry their towels. I see about 8 girls standing around Boss Massage. Boss Massage it is. I've had pretty good service over the years at Boss Massage. Another customer walks in just before me and we both take seats on the couch. The other customer makes his choice (average at best) and I'm not really impressed by the lineup. Maybe, I should have just gone to Addict. I choose the tallest girl there at about 172 cm with an average face and looks to be in her early 20's.

I paid for 90 minutes and I find out my masseuse is named Yoko or Yo (I believe her Thai name). Yoko drops me off into one of their better and larger shower rooms and goes to get her kit. She comes back in less than 5 minutes. She sees the condom I placed on the bed and asks me how many times I can go. I tell her once is good enough. She might be one of the tallest massage girls I've ever had. She also has a rather unfortunate and ugly stomach tattoo. Anyway, we shower up and once on the bed asks me if I want sex or massage first. I tell her sex and she starts licking me all over and gives a very good and thorough blowjob. I put on the condom and she puts on some lube and rides me hard and with a lot of passion. Maybe a little too much passion, because my dick slipped out and banged against her ass. Thank God, nothing happened. We continue and change positions, with lots of kissing and I finally finish up in my favorite position of doggy. This girl is pretty average looking, but I give her an A for effort as we were fucking for way too long for even my own pleasure. I tip her and she asks me when I'm going to come see her again. I tell her I don't know and as she is walking me out hands me a piece of candy and a business card for Boss Massage.

I'm famished as I had a rather light brunch. I head over to Emquartier and order the pork katsu curry dish at Coco Ichibanya. They're always pretty consistent. The Terminal 21 location is always jam packed but the Emquartier location always has plenty of space. I grab an iced Thai tea from chatramue on my way out and polish it off in no time. These Thai teas has a ton of crap in it, but what the hell I'm on holiday.

Later on in the evening, I walk over to Phrom Phong BTS and try to get on the 1st BTS and it's jam packed. I wait for another one, same problem. The next one has a little room and I squeeze in. I make it to the restaurant and the former massage girl looks even better than she ever has. We catch up, eat and order a grab taxi back to my hotel. The former massage girl spends the night (I prefer to sleep alone) and gives me a kiss before leaving.

I tried posting this in another forum thread but apparently the wrong one.

Has anyone been to the Eden club Bangkok lately? First timer here have never been (or any place like that) any reports or advice for a newbie?

Thanks.

Haven't been to BKK in about 7 years, finally visiting again in a few months. Last time I was there I stayed at the JW Marriot. So of course I hit Annies and Nana. I heard Annies either moved or closed, is Nana still the same? Debating on staying at JW again or going the AirBnb route.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2239683]I like that place, I've been there numerous times but it's a hit and miss place. Sometimes I met very lovely girls there and some others were not worth the money and energy spent on them. If you're looking for a good service you've got to go with their most experienced girls (the ones that appear on the downside of the page on their website). Not all of these girls are available though, they can come and go whenever they want. Their newest girls are on the top of the page, and sometimes they are very inexperienced. Fang looks very cute on the pictures, I'm surprised she already has a boob job and that she took care of your dick straight after the shower, normally their young girls are starting the session slowly. Did you go there on week end? I've been there on Saturday and couldn't get a 2 hour session also but they told me that they do it only on week end because they've got too many customers and not enough girls but during the week the 2 hours booking are available again.

The girls that I wanted were not available so I went for Indra (her pic is not on the site) for a 90 min session. She is cute, just a little bit chubby, around 25 years old, more white than the usual Thai working girls with nice natural breast but has only limited English knowledge.

She said that I was her first westerner as she is usually picked by Asian guys only, so she was a bit dick scared. I don't remember if I kissed her but she did a nice BBBJ, then 69 (not the best for that) then we went for a nice and sensual fuck, her pussy was small and felt great. She was very submissive and I liked that a lot. There was still half an hour left so we had a good chit chat with a bit of massaging until the end of the time. The session was pretty relaxed and she was in a good mood and smiling all the time. Cute girl but didn't repeat as she is not exactly the kind of girls that I fall for and there were too many other girls available. Price is 2200 baht for 90 minutes.[/QUOTE]I went during the week, Fang doesn't work on the weekends. The reason I mentioned her blowjob technique is that most girls will try to stimulate you and get you hard.

[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2235079]Met up with MonkeyPaw early last night at Nana for some people watching. Hit Lollipops earlier to see if the talent was better than previous night. Definitely an improvement. Smaller, cute and young. Liked one girl, pulled her down for a drink and then later told her we're going to go to a few more bars, but when I come back if you're still here I want you to leave with me. She agreed. Then of course as we're just about to leave I see another nice little number. Nice ass, real tits and braces. So I take note.

Hit a few more clubs, didn't see anything better then the two back at Lollipop so we return. I watch them both and finally pull down the second girl for a closer look and chat. Timed my bathroom break just right and got to see her in the bathroom under the real lights. Back at the table I ask her if I BF her will she sit and talk for awhile. She agrees. 3,000 BHT ST. Then starts to show me pictures of her GF. Tells me she's coming in a few minutes and is more sexy than her. The GF comes and she's cute but I think my girl is still better. MonkeyPaw decides to pull the GF and we all sit together for a couple. My girl keeps asking if we can all go together and tells me she lives with her GF and they're "together". As much as the foursome sounded good we split and head our separate ways.

My girl was 20, looked real young, cute with some awesome natural tits. She loves oral and uses a lot of spit and gagging action. She's got this innocence about her and she's willing to submit. I am not big but they all tell me I am too long. They probably tell all the guys that. So she's giving me the BBBJ and tells me she love BJ but her GF doesn't. She tells me her GF only likes to fuck. I told her ok next time I bring you both back, you can suck me and I will fuck your GF. "No problem" she says. While she keeps sucking me she's asking me if I want to finish in her mouth. I said yes but I want to fuck you for awhile. I think she really didn't know what to think given she kept saying I am too long. So we go slow and we fuck. A lot of positions. Takes it slow and then gets into it. Now she's begging me to finish in her mouth. I keep going for awhile.

Time to finish so I put her on the floor with her head laying back on the edge of the bed. She sucks and gags a little more and then I tell her to open her mouth wide. I take control and jerk off a nice load in her mouth. She takes the whole thing and then gags as one shot heads down the hatch. She then brings it all up and she's now got cum from her mouth to her little pussy patch.

She tells me its her first time doing that. Not sure what to believe but I would definitely repeat her.

Thanks MP and thanks Bangkok for a great time.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=XRatedBangkok;2239015]She used to work for Boss Massage on Sukhumvit soi 24/1, and no she is a freelancer on soi 4. When you go down the soi, you will find her on the right side after Hooters. She is quite regular there. She is 30+, slim body, silicone boobs. Regular sex is 1000 thb I think and A-level is 1500 thb. She will bring you to a hotel nearby. She is the kind that delivers PSE: BBBJ, CIM, DATY, 69, DFK, RJ, etc. I recommend, and she is funny and relaxed.

To admin: I have read the rules regarding posting pictures. I do not believe I infringe on them but if it is the case, it is by mistake.[/QUOTE]Clap, clap, clap. Can we get an "Amen?" Two newbies that actually knows how to write up a damn fine report and then topped an extra cherry with photographs of the X rated kind. That probably resulted in computer screens getting spattered with jizz all across the Thailand forum. You two sirs, each get a Monkey two paws up, plus one of those elusive "Sharing is Caring" awards that I like to dish out from time to time. This is the type of shit that just tickles my balls. I wonder how you managed to know exactly what "Bangkok Reports" means to write up a proper and informative post about where to find some hot sex amongst all these random, but may I add, quite interesting conversations about waterfalls, movies, and museums? Fucking genius is what I call it. And not of the old, useless info, lame, boring ass Albert Einstein kind, but more like that new age Captain Jack Sparrow shit. Rock on! Since you shared, Monkeypaw will share back.

A few weeks ago in Phuket, Amy delivered on an a-fucking-mazing PSE session when I met her at one of the Go Go clubs. She had recently started to work in Patong and wasn't having much luck. Towards the end of my Phuket trip, thinking about her made my dick so hard that I flew her to Bangkok (she has friends in BKK and Pattaya) for many fuck and suck sessions. Trust me, the $45 for her one way ticket was definitely worth it. She is slim, lean, long legged, small cute ass, with perky larger than average tits and a bald pussy. If she's not clean shaven, she will let you shave her pussy in the shower. Awhile back, she had dark hair and now it's blonde and she behaves like one as well. Amy often acts like a ditz and is not the smartest when it comes to working girls, and that's me being nice. Really, the girl is as dumb as a tap dancer on a minefield. I could have sworn, in Patong, I saw her playing rocks, scissors, papers all by herself and it always ended in a tie.

She always charged me 1500 for a couple of hours when in BKK. But if she is drunk, which most of the time she was, or perhaps it's just her air headed personality, she will always stay and sleep until the next afternoon. When she needs a place to crash, she will let you fuck her as often as you wish. Everything I think is on the menu with this girl, anal is also possibility. By the way, can any anal connoisseurs confirm by looking at the gape of her asshole? Is she a three holer? All I know is that she's done 2 guys on a girl more often than not because she is willing to show you photos she has of being fucked by multiple guys. That type shit turns me on and gets my dick up. Now that I am done with her, I will set her free, because Monkeypaw, like always, gets bored eventually. This hot piece of young Thai ass is now working in Nana, mostly inside Hillary 2 as a freelancer, usually after 10. Sometimes she can be found on the sidewalk near the food stall, across from the bar as well if she got too drunk and started annoying people in Hillary. If you see famous Amy, buy her a couple of shots of Sambuca. It will loosen her up real quick. And in case you hadn't notice me slipping my dick down somebody's throat. Don't worry, you will thank me for it later. Enjoy.

Planning my first trip to Bangkok. Unfortunately, I am going solo and still trying to figure out the best dates to fly down. So, I am looking at spending 4-5 days or so there sometime between the end of Nov and mid Dec.

1- Are there any holidays I need to be aware of during those dates? Anything I should be aware of during that timeframe? I hate to get there only to have everything closed or hitting prime tourist season.

2-Should I get a sim-card for my phone for only 4 days? Why would I want or not want one? Price?

3-Best place to exchange dollars for Baht? Would prefer to not get ripped off.

Thanks everyone.

[QUOTE=HayMitch;2239901]Planning my first trip to Bangkok. Unfortunately, I am going solo and still trying to figure out the best dates to fly down. So, I am looking at spending 4-5 days or so there sometime between the end of Nov and mid Dec.

1- Are there any holidays I need to be aware of during those dates? Anything I should be aware of during that timeframe? I hate to get there only to have everything closed or hitting prime tourist season.

2-Should I get a sim-card for my phone for only 4 days? Why would I want or not want one? Price?

3-Best place to exchange dollars for Baht? Would prefer to not get ripped off.

Thanks everyone.[/QUOTE]No holidays that I know of, yes get a sim card its cheap, imo CITI bank ATM with a no foreign transaction fee debit card.

[QUOTE=HayMitch;2239901]Planning my first trip to Bangkok. Unfortunately, I am going solo and still trying to figure out the best dates to fly down. So, I am looking at spending 4-5 days or so there sometime between the end of Nov and mid Dec.

1- Are there any holidays I need to be aware of during those dates? Anything I should be aware of during that timeframe? I hate to get there only to have everything closed or hitting prime tourist season.

2-Should I get a sim-card for my phone for only 4 days? Why would I want or not want one? Price?

3-Best place to exchange dollars for Baht? Would prefer to not get ripped off.

Thanks everyone.[/QUOTE]5 Dec is previous Kings birthday. Just line up a girl or go to massage. Bars will close no alcohol. Google Maps and Internet is very handy. Get a SIM at Airport. Some places have extreme good exchange rates. I know a booth at Seacon square but close to Sukhumvit I don't know. Others will.

[QUOTE=Jim200;2239690]
I paid for 90 minutes and I find out my masseuse is named Yoko or Yo (I believe her Thai name). Yoko drops me off into one of their better and larger shower rooms and goes to get her kit. She comes back in less than 5 minutes. She sees the condom I placed on the bed and asks me how many times I can go. I tell her once is good enough. She might be one of the tallest massage girls I've ever had. She also has a rather unfortunate and ugly stomach tattoo. [/QUOTE]Very few girls have no tattoos. No idea why it became so fasionable but maybe fading out. Could be to cover scars in some cases, but better than seeing railroad tracks.

Yo is possible but Yok is more common as a Thai name (means Jade). Many shops have girls choose Japanese names though like Yoko. A few have Jap names and a few have Thai names.

I see Pin is still on the website but long gone.
[URL]http://www.boss26massage.com/pin.html[/URL]
She was my last girl chosen hen sitting outside. Since then, when girls did not look good enough, I did not stay.
Web site seems to use exact same girl to be Earn, Naam, and Beer. LOL. Or maybe they just did not have pics of those 3 so substituted a generic pic. LOL

There are so many shops, if you don't really see a girl you like, I think there is nothing wrong with leaving and looking in some other shops. Up to the shop to try to recruit more enticing girls. Addict has a bigger line up, however they are very over dressed so as to hide the body which may not be that good underneath, e. G. The belly.

I often choose by going past many shops from Soi 24 to 26 and seeing what girl outside in the daylight appeals to me. Often (more like occasionally LOL) I got drawn into a shop because girl outside was very pretty (in good light), e. G. An Orient girl last year. I first became a customer of Yoremichi, and also Pink purely by seeing a girl outside arriving to work, and being well hooked by her looks. Both of those turned out well and I repeated while they lasted.

[QUOTE=Justice4;2239781]I tried posting this in another forum thread but apparently the wrong one.

Has anyone been to the Eden club Bangkok lately? First timer here have never been (or any place like that) any reports or advice for a newbie?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Was popular but not with me. I did not appreciate being asked to select from a fairly ordinary to ugly bunch of girls in a big hurry. I guess there are worse line ups somewhere. LOL

And also did not like the obvious acting levels, and sex toys. Others may have fared much better.

I had vastly better threesomes (more fun and believable - perhaps too costly) by selecting girls that performed lesbian shows in gogo bars. Years ago I mostly took two girls at a time from Sheba and Suzie Wong, but I don't go there anymore (crazy mamasan). Even took 3 girls on rare occasion. The concept remains valid though. Take time to select. See them naked first. Check they like working together. etc.

If you want pornstars, I think you might be better off choosing two girls at Snow White or Tulip than going to Eden. I did not really try two but have just had better girls at these venues. If want better looking girls you check out the lesbian shows in a few bars.

Are there any good bars in Soi 22 Honey or Queen's Park Plazas? What are they good for? I passed though a bit too early and did not really get a feel for anything much.

I appreciate that Soi 22 has lots of MPs, but I was rarely a customer except for Bongkot when June was there.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2239934]Are there any good bars in Soi 22 Honey or Queen's Park Plazas? What are they good for? I passed though a bit too early and did not really get a feel for anything much.

I appreciate that Soi 22 has lots of MPs, but I was rarely a customer except for Bongkot when June was there.[/QUOTE]I had some pretty good experiences at Honey Bee in the past. I haven't been there in some time. Same ownership group as Kiss and many others. On a side note, I'm assuming that the gogo bars and freelancer places such as Thermae are closed today. Does anyone know about tomorrow the 25th?

Which GoGos do lesbian shows now? I heard Suzi Wongs no longer do them.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2239926]
I see Pin is still on the website but long gone.
[URL]http://www.boss26massage.com/pin.html[/URL]
She was my last girl chosen hen sitting outside. [/QUOTE]You can still find Pin soi 4 at from 6 pm, going down the soi, past Hooters and she will be there.

She is mainly freelancer now, so she is quite regular. She will bring you to a tacky hotel around.

Great performer, and funny. 1000 thb regular, 1500 thb a+ if I know well.

Day 5.

Bamboo.

I trek over to Soi 23 to eat brunch at Iwane by Nature. This place is frequented mainly by Japanese expats. As I'm about to walk in, a black cat stops in front of the faux lawn and pisses on it right in front of me. Anyway, I walked in and half the tables have a reserved sign. I find an open table and immediately order a cappuccino and omelet rice. The cappuccino is decent but the I'm not a fan of the omelet rice. But I was starving and I gobbled it up in no time. I pay my bill and grab an iced coffee from the place near the Codfather.

I go back to my hotel room and phone in a booking with Bamboo Massage with Ammy. The picture looks doable and the description of young, with firm body and good service sells me. I take care of some work related matters for a few hours and walk all the way down to Soi 8. I'm sweating like a maniac by the time I walk up the steps to Bamboo. I tell the lady at the counter that I have a booking with Ammy. She asks me for how long and I tell her 90 minutes. She tells me she is Ammy and collects 2400 baht. Ammy is not young and does not resemble one iota of the girl photoshopped on their website. Ammy drops me off into a depressingly drab room and goes off to get her kit.

When Ammy comes back, we both undress and jump in the shower. This lady has big tits (looks and feels natural) but also a belly. Ammy gives me a fairly thorough washing and I wait by the bed while she finishes washing up. Ammy asks me if I would like a massage and I of course decline. Ammy starts with a cat bath and starts to give me a fairly decent blowjob. Eventually, I cap up and we fuck in multiple positions and I'm able to finish after some time. I was pretty tired at this point so I'm surprised after fucking my massage girl the previous evening multiple times that I'm able to finish with the visual stimulation being so sub par. Still, Ammy has a decent attitude and I tip her after our time and 2nd shower.

I would say Ammy is at least in her mid 30's and does not have a firm body so I don't know why Bamboo would so blatantly lie like that. I've had girls from there before who were in their early 20's.

I noticed the pizza place next door to Bamboo named Vesuvio and decide to give it a try as it has received decent reviews. I ordered a margherita pizza and a coke. The pizza is super thin and mediocre. I would say it was neapolitan style, saucy and soggy. I had high expectations as the pictures looked good. I would say Gallery Pizza is better. I'm used to east coast pizza, and so far none of these can hold a candle to even an average one in the states.

Thermae.

It's raining on this night so I "rent" an umbrella from my hotel and walk over to Thermae. I walk in and order a Singha and take a stroll through the bar. I see some of the same girls from the previous night as well as some that I saw in January. No sign of Nan, though. I don't think I would have taken her again so soon. I'm kind of tired and unless someone really piques my interest I might just drink and soak in the atmosphere. When I had walked in, the bar was half full, but by the time I get up to order a 2nd beer, the place is packed. I eventually settle down somewhere in the middle and watch as about 5-6 different guys approach a 7 and ask her rate and leave after she tells them 2500 baht. The girl next to her also around a 7 gets approached by a Japanese guy who after being told her price for ST of 2500 baht tells her, "I'm just a poor Japanese guy, can't you give me a discount?" I watched a bunch of these interactions with amusement and decide to call it a night.

As I walk outside, I see 4 rats (2 of them huge) on the sidewalk right in front of Thermae. At least the rain has subsided.

[QUOTE=Jim200;2240035]Bamboo..... Ammy is not young and does not resemble one iota of the girl photoshopped on their website. Ammy drops me off into a depressingly drab room and goes off to get her kit. When Ammy comes back, we both undress and jump in the shower. This lady has big tits (looks and feels natural) but also a belly. Ammy gives me a fairly thorough washing and I wait by the bed while she finishes washing up. Ammy asks me if I would like a massage and I of course decline. Ammy starts with a cat bath and starts to give me a fairly decent blowjob. Eventually, I cap up and we fuck in multiple positions and I'm able to finish after some time. I was pretty tired at this point so I'm surprised after fucking my massage girl the previous evening multiple times that I'm able to finish with the visual stimulation being so sub par. Still, Ammy has a decent attitude and I tip her after our time and 2nd shower. I would say Ammy is at least in her mid 30's and does not have a firm body so I don't know why Bamboo would so blatantly lie like that.[/QUOTE]I booked Cat from Mitu last week at the shop by using photos from their iPad. Looked hot as hell, but when she came to meet me in the lobby she was chubby and minimal cosmetics compared to the image. Walked out. If you want a guaranteed hot body I'the stick to Billboard, Baccara or Shark, you can see exactly what you're going to get. Only risk is performance and of course your costs will be higher. But the best sex of my 8 nights recently was 2 ladies from Billboard, separate nights. I sucked up to the mamasan and she delivered for me huge both times. Worth every penny, plus the atmosphere is great, I like doing shots with scantily clad women. Even got a dinner date with one of them, much better than eating alone.

[QUOTE=Markly2;2239989]Which GoGos do lesbian shows now? I heard Suzi Wongs no longer do them.[/QUOTE]Not sure if any do anymore that are worthwhile to view, and really except in the old timers days, actual lesbian sex shows didn't really happen, in the more recent years / iterations its more of them kinda doing faux lesbian acting / dancing / light touching stuff for the most part. It was always something that sounds cool, then you see it and like: well that was kinda dumb and not worth my time.

[QUOTE=Justice4;2239781]I tried posting this in another forum thread but apparently the wrong one.

Has anyone been to the Eden club Bangkok lately? First timer here have never been (or any place like that) any reports or advice for a newbie?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I've been several times in the past, but not recently, though I can't suspect anything is different, that places runs on that its always the same. It doesn't get much attention here, but if you're looking for a good 2-girl with lesbian and A+ experience, this is highly recommenced for the ease and quality of the sessions. It can be more difficult to arrange this situation elsewhere, but here its just the standard service. For a first timer, its a great choice. The quality of the girls is medium compared other to MPs, if you're looking for a young miss thailand, this is not the place, but the girls attitudes and PSE of the session tend to make up for the lesser looks.

Short story: You go in, the girls line up, some on one side (the A+ side), others on the other side (not A+). You choose one (cough, you choose one from the A+ side) and she picks another girl to join her. Surprisingly The rooms are quite nice for an MP. Shower with one girl, then wait for the other. Then they start their "script" of the session. Its very scripted, unless you say otherwise, which you should to get exactly what you want. It lasts 1.5 hours and you'll get off as many pops as you can in that time and they will be happy to do it.

More detailed story: The girls have their "sex script" for the session and unless you tell them otherwise, they play it out until the session is over, its a damn good script, but if you want to change it up, just say so, you need to be vocal and just say what you want. They will do whatever you want, seriously, whatever you want. I reiterate that, basically whatever you want, PSE style. You just have to say it and they will happily oblige to whatever. Whatever position (s), holes, who is doing who in which way is fine, just say what you'd like next, and switch as often as you want. Another thing, the girls generally are more interested in taking care of you, not each other, they will do each other, but you need to be involved in some way, its not a sit back and watch them, it always involves you. And lastly, you are absolutely expected to A+ one of the girls, yeah this sounds odd, but its a thing, and you are expected to do it. I've even had multiple girls on different occasions asking me to do multiple A+ sessions to them cause their into it, and it was clear they were during them. So generally the A+ girls here are umm, quite experienced at it, enjoy.

All in all, it doesn't get much talk, but its a solid location for what it is and you won't be disappointed.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2240145]Not sure if any do anymore that are worthwhile to view, and really except in the old timers days, actual lesbian sex shows didn't really happen, in the more recent years / iterations its more of them kinda doing faux lesbian acting / dancing / light touching stuff for the most part. It was always something that sounds cool, then you see it and like: well that was kinda dumb and not worth my time.[/QUOTE]Up until several months or perhaps a year ago, Suzy Wong Go-Go Bar on Soi Cowboy had a nightly show that included three pairs of girls on stage. The girls, who were generally also go-go dancers at the club, licked pussy. This was no "faux" or mere "light touching" simulation. Tongues were definitely licking shaved pussy and not for just a fleeting few seconds. The place was usually packed for those shows, including many couples, people arriving and filling the place at least 30 minutes before the first show in order to get a seat. The first shows usually began around 10:15 PM, sometimes 9:15 PM when the early closures were in effect. And the shows would repeat every 30-45 minutes as I recall.

I have been in Suzy Wong's a few times over the past year or so but not during those particular "showtimes", so I don't know if they are still doing them. But it wasn't all that long ago I last took a visiting punter to one of those shows. Not more than a year or two I'd say. I saw at least one show sometime after the previous King died.

Seems to me I saw some "lesbian" tongue on pussy action as part of a show (not just spur of the moment inspiration) at Long Gun on Soi Cowboy over the past year as well. But I don't think it is as regularly scheduled as those shows at Suzy Wong were/are.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2240149] They will do whatever you want, seriously, whatever you want. I reiterate that, basically whatever you want, PSE style. You just have to say it and they will happily oblige to whatever. Whatever position (s), holes, who is doing who in which way is fine, just say what you'd like next, and switch as often as you want. [/QUOTE]Well, since I, EihTooms, am known far and wide as the ONLY punter in all the world who finds these things sexually interesting and wants BBFS and/or BBBJ+CIM+Swallow, I guess I must ask; when you say, "They will do whatever you want, seriously, whatever you want" and "You just have to say it and they will happily oblige to whatever", are you saying both of those sexual acts (that, admittedly, apparently nobody else in all the world ever wants except me) are definitely on tap during that 90 minute session?

[QUOTE=Jim200;2240035]Day 5.

Bamboo.

I go back to my hotel room and phone in a booking with Bamboo Massage with Ammy. The picture looks doable and the description of young, with firm body and good service sells me. I take care of some work related matters for a few hours and walk all the way down to Soi 8. I'm sweating like a maniac by the time I walk up the steps to Bamboo. I tell the lady at the counter that I have a booking with Ammy. She asks me for how long and I tell her 90 minutes. She tells me she is Ammy and collects 2400 baht. Ammy is not young and does not resemble one iota of the girl photoshopped on their website. Ammy drops me off into a depressingly drab room and goes off to get her kit.

I would say Ammy is at least in her mid 30's and does not have a firm body so I don't know why Bamboo would so blatantly lie like that. I've had girls from there before who were in their early 20's.[/QUOTE]Over the years, I have learned to never trust girls' pictures. Reasons:

1. usually pictures are taken by professional (nice lights) and photoshopped (nice filters) so, just like celebrities, they give a +30% on the look. Created from nothing.

2. girls usually do not update their pictures. They do a session when they are young and use them for 10 years after. Girls on dating websites tend to do that too.

3. Bamboo being an exception, websites are not regularly updated, when they have proper website of course. Cost too high? Turn-over too rapid? Too much efforts needed? You always have to ask them if that girl you have seen online still works with them. Sometimes they just keep the pictures because the girl looks hot, then when you are inside they offer the service of any other that they "recommend very good" LOL. But if you point to the girl next to her, she will also be "very good recommend". It's just a routine scam.

4. never trust a Thai cleavage. Thai girls are notoriously flat, it's a fact, and they use all the artifact possible to make you believe the contrary. And boy are they good at it. Typically they use pads, one or even 2 sets to go from a regular A to a C. But once they take the bra off, wow what a disappointment. But it's too ate pal, you paid already.

Even at joints where they have a picture album, I ask to see the girl in flesh before making any decision. And very often I am turned off and walk away.

So always expect the girl to look less hot as expected, and do not forget you can just walk out before you paid.

Another trick I do: usually I am satisfied within an hour, so that is what I pay in advance. But I say to the mamasan: "if I stay longer, I pay the difference". As a result there is no rush and I can extend if I like the girl.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2240145]Not sure if any do anymore that are worthwhile to view, and really except in the old timers days, actual lesbian sex shows didn't really happen, in the more recent years / iterations its more of them kinda doing faux lesbian acting / dancing / light touching stuff for the most part. It was always something that sounds cool, then you see it and like: well that was kinda dumb and not worth my time.[/QUOTE]Not quite the case. Suzie Wong had a known bi-sexual Bo, who would get the hots to do certain other girls and was known to have a Tom girlfriend for a while, but now has a husband and kids. Dtom claimed she was one of the most skilled pussy lickers around too. Both are gone now. They had girls that really were quite into it with no aversion to pussies at all. I recall another girl or too with short spiky haircuts that were considered to be lesbians despite fucking guys.

Lesbian girls do work as hookers sometimes. No. 14 at Annies was a "Tomboy" in manner, known to have girlfriends (even a ladyboy girlfriend) but I found she liked dick too, and was orgasmic. Probably now can be found in Chrome or Wood bar.

I recall Bacarra used to have a lesbian show too (not so realistic). Maybe Crazy House still has one upstairs? Long Gun, maybe? The problem at Eden was girls working to a script, for me. However still a source for a threesome. I just had a much better time with Suzie girls. Very much fun and unscripted. Took two ex-suzie girls from Shark recently although these two were clearly not lesbian at all. So no inter pussy licking but good cooperation in general.

Lesbian shows in Suzie W were such a draw card, it is hard to believe they would stop them by choice, but I have not been in there for several months (still had them last visit under new management), so cannot say if they have recently been doing them or not, with certainty. Possible police could have requested them to be stopped, but Crazy House still has ugly porno style shows like pussy firing darts at balloons.

Suzie Wong was formerly a special bar under LB Mamasan Taay, because she decided to put on Artistic erotic shows, instead of the Phat Phong style of ugly shows so craved by the tourists but not really by longer term expats. Later SW was forced to stage Phat Phong style shows as well to its detriment. After new management came Taay moved firstly to Crazy Cats and now in Tilac. Still the odd waitress or mamasan remaining in Suzie W if they can stand the new Manager. Not many could. I see ex Suzie staff in Tilac, Crazy Cats, Lighthouse, Shark, maybe in some in Nana, etc. One named Naam was even in Bacarra for a while. Not one SW girl moved to Crazy House that I saw (I think were sort of enemy bars), but a couple of Doll House girls moved to CH (crappy girls both of them).

Day 6.

I walk over to Artis Coffee on Soi 18 Sukhumvit and order a cappuccino and veg sandwich with pesto. I eat half the sandwich and give up. The coffee is decent but the sandwich is an embarrassment. I'm still hungry and decide to keep vegetarian for at least one meal and walk a little further down to Falafel Michelin. It takes almost 15 minutes as the girl was making 3 sandwiches for people inside. Man, like pizza finding a good falafel sandwich is not easy. They can't get the batter, the crispness and flavors down at all. Not terrible, but will definitely not go back. Sandwich was 80 baht. At least the falafel sandwich was miles better than the Artis Coffee sandwich.

I go back to my hotel room and send line messages to Oranges and Momo asking for availability of ladies. Momo responds right away and seems like past favorites of mine are no longer working. I ask for recommendations and Momo rep recommends see. See is available after 5 pm. I make a booking for 5:30 pm. I need some early afternoon action and I make the call to Oranges. The girl I had in January, Nan is no longer there or on holiday, but Kai is available. I tell the lady that I'll be there within 10 minutes.

I walk over and pay for 90 minutes. Kai comes out and like what seems like 75% of working girls in Bangkok, she has braces. Kai looks pretty close to what she does in her pictures. Kai takes us to the top floor (4th I think) and drops me off to grab her kit. Anyway, once Kai returns we get undressed and jump in the shower. Judging by the body, Kai definitely has a kid as she has a mom bod. I would almost venture to say that she has nearly a see cup with major sag and that no longer flat tummy after childbirth. After washing up, Kai tells me she has to go the bathroom. I'm thinking, why the hell did you not go before taking a shower or when you went to get your kit!

When Kai returns, she asks me to turn over and I tell her sex 1st. She says okay and in no time gets me hard and starts to gives me a decent blowjob. We have sex in multiple positions and when in missionary, her body doesn't looks pretty good. Eventually, I finish in my favorite position and collapse onto the bed. Kai asks me when I can come see her again. I tell her that I'm not sure. Kai is 27 years old and has a young daughter and has just returned to work after going home for a bit. I like Kai's personality as she seems to have a sweet disposition and a softness that some of these girls lose after being a working girl. When the time is up, I tip Kai and she walks me back downstairs and tells me to come see her again.

I was inside Baccara a week ago. Suddenly the music changed from the regular EDM to something more relaxing and some hardbody girls went on stage and danced while they took their clothes off.

Does anyone know if these girls are barfinable? Or are they just there to do the dance show? I couldn't see them anywhere after they went off stage, and they didn't have the usual number tag the ladies doing the Bangkok shuffle has.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2240160]Well, since I, EihTooms, am known far and wide as the ONLY punter in all the world who finds these things sexually interesting and wants BBFS and/or BBBJ+CIM+Swallow, I guess I must ask; when you say, "They will do whatever you want, seriously, whatever you want" and "You just have to say it and they will happily oblige to whatever", are you saying both of those sexual acts (that, admittedly, apparently nobody else in all the world ever wants except me) are definitely on tap during that 90 minute session?[/QUOTE]Oh, I think maybe this was out of context, I was more meaning any positions, acts, etc. Not BB stuff, which I didn't even think was on the table there. I was more trying to emphasize that they'll do whatever positions or fancies you like with you or each other, but you have to say so. If there's a porn position you want, just say it sorta thing.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2240257]Not quite the case. Suzie Wong had a known bi-sexual Bo, who would get the hots to do certain other girls and was known to have a Tom girlfriend for a while, but now has a husband and kids. Dtom claimed she was one of the most skilled pussy lickers around too. Both are gone now. They had girls that really were quite into it with no aversion to pussies at all. I recall another girl or too with short spiky haircuts that were considered to be lesbians despite fucking guys.

Lesbian girls do work as hookers sometimes. No. 14 at Annies was a "Tomboy" in manner, known to have girlfriends (even a ladyboy girlfriend) but I found she liked dick too, and was orgasmic. Probably now can be found in Chrome or Wood bar.

I recall Bacarra used to have a lesbian show too (not so realistic). Maybe Crazy House still has one upstairs? Long Gun, maybe? The problem at Eden was girls working to a script, for me. However still a source for a threesome. I just had a much better time with Suzie girls. Very much fun and unscripted. Took two ex-suzie girls from Shark recently although these two were clearly not lesbian at all. So no inter pussy licking but good cooperation in general..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the Suzie update. I went a couple times, but I guess I was just expecting more of a show or was there on some of the off nights. I had been to others and they were I guess I'll call them "light" lesbian shows, which are fun at first then you get over it real quick.

I mentioned the Eden script in another comment, it throws me off too, and I've been a bunch, had to learn to just avoid the parts of the script I didn't like and be clear what I wanted to see happen and they haven't ever had an issue. Had some poor 2-girl experiences elsewhere, but never did the bring 2 Suzie / gogo girls back, maybe for another time or just give it a ST shot instead of LT with two gogo girls.

[QUOTE=Jim200;2240350]Day 6.

I walk over to Artis Coffee on Soi 18 Sukhumvit and order a cappuccino and veg sandwich with pesto. I eat half the sandwich and give up. The coffee is decent but the sandwich is an embarrassment. [/QUOTE]Foodland on Soi 18 I think (at Column Hotel), should be able to make something edible, but not quality.

It is possible to get decent western food, but can be pricey. You are better off to eat Thai food. A sandwich will always be toasted unless you specifically say not to. Thais just don't understand western food unless well trained. Thai Pizza is appallingly bad mostly. They like to add Mayo and Ketchup. Just don't bother. A Subway shop will probably be able to make something like what you expect for a sandwich roll. One on Soi 7/1 as example.

I eat a lot of vegetarian Thai food or stuff with low meat content, and rarely eat bread, but I do not know what to get from experience, in stalls and markets. A newbie can be baffled, just like I was totalled baffled by Indonesian food recently. I do eat western food at the sports pub and they make a good steak even, or Chicken Parmigiana is very popular there. Even a good burger if you go to the right place. Perhaps we should have a thread with recommended places to eat. Even Thais are eating crap like Maccas and Dominoes Pizza. Hard to figure.

I find ordering Thai food, I have to give them a lot of instructions too, like don't put sugar in it, no MSG, not much Chilis, low salt, etc. So some food types is too much trouble to get it right. LOL Not easy to find good Japanese food. Have to know the right places catering for Japanese customers and not so oriented to selling alcohol drinks.

Recently ordered an a piece of cinnamon apple pie at a coffee shop. The Thai boy (probably gay) decided would be prettier if he made a pattern of drizzled dark brown chocolate sauce (fake chocolate doesn't taste like chocolate at all just yucky sticky syrup) on it. Wrecked it really. I don't like overly sweet stuff, and in west no one would put syrup on an apple pie. Thais would because they don't understand what things we consider go together.

Recently in Silom was at a hamburger joint. They had no beef and no onions. LOL Pork makes a really crappy tasteless burger. So no way was a decent burger even possible. The hamburger stand at Nana makes horrible burgers too with low quality meat which may not be beef also.

In coffee shop they give you ketchup and a knife and fork for every food item, even a Cinnamon scroll bun. LOL Never expect a Thai run shop to understand western food at all.

Getting back to mongering, is having the shop pick a girl for you working out well? I am sceptical since they probably will just send whichever girl whose turn is up next. Maybe this shop is different and knows what you want? Still if it works for you. Personally I like to choose and am very fussy. Most girls just don't turn me on any more. Wasn't clear why Kai was chosen. You can have a look at standard MP areas with several shops nearby, like Soi 24, 24/1 and 26 as example. Lots of MPs in there. Might find a hottie.

I see that Orange website has some OK looking girls in the initial pics. However I assume the real looks are not that good.
[url]https://orangemassagebkk.wixsite.com/mysite/blank-1[/url]
Case in point is Kai. Initial pic looks great, but when click to open other pics, I could swear it is not even the same girl. LOL
Bum is so photoshopped, impossible to guess her real looks. Clicking on a few girls, did not really find what appeals to me. Several rather thick girls.
Suggest to try looking in quite a few MPs in Soi 24 through to 26 or Soi 33 to see what the competition is like.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2240582]Foodland on Soi 18 I think (at Column Hotel), should be able to make something edible, but not quality.

It is possible to get decent western food, but can be pricey. You are better off to eat Thai food. A sandwich will always be toasted unless you specifically say not to. Thais just don't understand western food unless well trained. Thai Pizza is appallingly bad mostly. They like to add Mayo and Ketchup. Just don't bother. A Subway shop will probably be able to make something like what you expect for a sandwich roll. One on Soi 7/1 as example.[/QUOTE]Subway makes an adequate sandwich and McDonalds is. Well McDonalds. Other than that, there are plenty of places in that area that cater to Westerners and are adequate. A place called the Kiwi comes to mind. Hooters is terrible.

I find that the Thai food in the Lower Suk area is hit and miss. And overpriced. But, if you follow the bar girls, you can get some decent food. Believe it or not, the Thermae's food is good.

I don't live near lower Sukh so when I get there I generally have eaten already. If you are staying in that area, it might behoove you to take a trip outside and eat: places like Som Tam Jay So near Chong Nonsi (excellent grilled pork and Somtam, as well as Gai Yang), Som Tam Der in the same area, Polo Fried Chicken (Wireless Road), Talad Nam (Sala Daeng BTS, fabulous seafood), best beef (Phra Khanong BTS for grilled all you can eat) and so many more. Terminal 21 has excellent food. When in doubt, fried rice.

[QUOTE=Jim200;2240035]Day 5.The picture looks doable and the description of young, with firm body and good service sells me.

Ammy is in her mid 30's and does not have a firm body so I don't know why Bamboo would so blatantly lie like that. I've had girls from there before who were in their early 20's..[/QUOTE]Some may find it uncomfortable saying no on the spot. It took me a while but now I have no problem no embarrassment saying sorry cannot when I see the girl whether an escort or a selection I've made from online pics, bios, iPad etc is not what was advertised. I used to be hey what the hell I'm here now why not. Not anymore. Don't be afraid to walk away. Don't be a victim of the girls and shops that routinely use this dishonest scam to lure you in.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2240582]Foodland on Soi 18 I think (at Column Hotel), should be able to make something edible, but not quality.

It is possible to get decent western food, but can be pricey. You are better off to eat Thai food. A sandwich will always be toasted unless you specifically say not to. Thais just don't understand western food unless well trained. Thai Pizza is appallingly bad mostly. They like to add Mayo and Ketchup. Just don't bother. A Subway shop will probably be able to make something like what you expect for a sandwich roll. One on Soi 7/1 as example.

I eat a lot of vegetarian Thai food or stuff with low meat content, and rarely eat bread, but I do not know what to get from experience, in stalls and markets. A newbie can be baffled, just like I was totalled baffled by Indonesian food recently. I do eat western food at the sports pub and they make a good steak even, or Chicken Parmigiana is very popular there. Even a good burger if you go to the right place. Perhaps we should have a thread with recommended places to eat. Even Thais are eating crap like Maccas and Dominoes Pizza. Hard to figure.

I find ordering Thai food, I have to give them a lot of instructions too, like don't put sugar in it, no MSG, not much Chilis, low salt, etc. So some food types is too much trouble to get it right. LOL Not easy to find good Japanese food. Have to know the right places catering for Japanese customers and not so oriented to selling alcohol drinks.

Recently ordered an a piece of cinnamon apple pie at a coffee shop. The Thai boy (probably gay) decided would be prettier if he made a pattern of drizzled dark brown chocolate sauce (fake chocolate doesn't taste like chocolate at all just yucky sticky syrup) on it. Wrecked it really. I don't like overly sweet stuff, and in west no one would put syrup on an apple pie. Thais would because they don't understand what things we consider go together..[/QUOTE]I like to change it up a little bit as you can find a decent girl in any shop and Oranges is so close to my hotel. Also, Nan was really good and cute and they have plenty of non-photoshopped pics at [URL]http://www.fuzoku-resort.com/.[/URL].

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2240582]Foodland on Soi 18 I think (at Column Hotel), should be able to make something edible, but not quality.

It is possible to get decent western food, but can be pricey. You are better off to eat Thai food. Perhaps we should have a thread with recommended places to eat. Even Thais are eating crap like Maccas and Dominoes Pizza. Hard to figure.[/QUOTE]I do mainly eat Thai food while here but I don't want to eat it for every meal. A thread for recommended places would be great.

Day 6 Cont'd.

Lots of construction going on around the odd numbered sois at Thong Lo. Even the side door to enter Momo is blocked off. I walk in and pay for 90 minutes. See comes out in a school girl outfit and she's caked with makeup to cover her bad skin / acne. See grabs me a water and we walk up to the top floor (4th FL. I believe). See proceeds to help undress me down to my boxers and then leaves to get her kit. I turn on some music and see takes her sweet time coming back. See gets undressed and she's short, has a bunch of tattoos. We jump in the shower and while washing up, see puts my hand on her breasts and tells me, "silicone". See is a talker, almost non-stop talker. See's got a decent, tight body and the implants were well done. While toweling me off, see blows me and says, "service". We get on the bed and see motions to my phone. I'm not a 100% sure, but I think she's telling me it's too loud (motioning about the neighbors I believe). It's not too loud and it's chill music. Anyway, I turn it way down and see starts to give me a decent blowjob. We fuck in multiple positions and see pulls away when I try to kiss her. I didn't even really care as I didn't find her all that attractive, but I do enjoy making out when having sex. I ramp up the speed and eventually finish as I have to admit her ass looked pretty good in doggy. Normally, I skip the massage but see's constant chattering is bothering me. I turn off my music and switch to an audiobook and have her massage me for the rest of our time. Of course, see is still talking throughout and I tell her let's shower and see tells me that we still have 30 minutes left. I wait another 15 minutes and concentrate on my audiobook and tell see again that it's time for a shower. We wash up and see walks me downstairs. Once downstairs, see motions me to the couch to put on my shoes. An older lady is napping on there and I tell her I'll put them on standing. I put on one pair and I grab the counter to put on the 2nd and the part of the counter that I grabbed is loose and slightly gets lifted to one side. I release it before any damage is done, but the cashier still gives me a dirty look.

I walk out and I'm starving. I noticed that I saw from the BTS that Soi 38 food stall seems to be back in action. I walk over to the other side and order a bunch of dishes from what looked like the busiest restaurant there. The food takes some time as a couple sitting beside me must have ordered 10 dishes. The food is good and for 3 dishes cost less than 250 baht.

I get on the BTS and get off Asok station and decide to head into Thermae and just look. I walked down to Soi 15 to take the back entrance (just for a change of pace) but it's been closed off. I go back to the front of Thermae and as I'm about to walk in a medium sized rat emerges from near the steps entering the shop.

I walk in and order a Singha and stroll through the bar. Thermae is packed and the talent is much better than the previous night. I finish a 2nd beer and go upstairs to take a leak. I pay the lady 20 baht who collects the toilet fee. She's wearing a clownish, red wig and she always pretends to not remember tha you've paid if you go back to take another leak, I go back downstairs and take a final stroll through and I see a girl that I wanted in January that I missed out on. I walk up to her and her name is Dao and her fee is 2500 baht. Dao is pretty with not much tits, but looks like a nice ass even in her fairly conservative attire. We walk out and grab a taxi home. I was afraid that I would have some difficulties finishing after a long day, but I'm able to finish faster with her than I have with any other girl. Dao has no tattoos and nice perky A cup tits and a great ass. She is also very tight and is a very good kisser. I pay Dao and she walks out 30 minutes after entering my room.

For some reason the letter (C) gets auto corrected to see on this website.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2240521]Oh, I think maybe this was out of context, I was more meaning any positions, acts, etc. Not BB stuff, which I didn't even think was on the table there. I was more trying to emphasize that they'll do whatever positions or fancies you like with you or each other, but you have to say so. If there's a porn position you want, just say it sorta thing.[/QUOTE]Ah yes, understood. Just wanted to know if Micky at Eden Club had managed to find and hire girls as willing to cross the BBFS line as some are to cross the A-Level (covered) line. Thanks for the follow up.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2240582]Foodland on Soi 18 I think (at Column Hotel), should be able to make something edible, but not quality.

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Recently in Silom was at a hamburger joint. They had no beef and no onions. LOL Pork makes a really crappy tasteless burger. So no way was a decent burger even possible. The hamburger stand at Nana makes horrible burgers too with low quality meat which may not be beef also.
[/QUOTE]That Foodland next to Column Hotel is on Soi 16, which does not extend all the way to Sukhumvit Road, as I am sure you know but others might not. You have to walk down Ratchedaphisek just behind the Exchange Tower at the corner of Sukhumvit and Asok/Ratchedaphisek to find it.

However, imo, a much better option as long as you are right there is to cross to the other side of Soi 16, almost directly across from Foodland, to Pan's Bakery/All Day Eatery. That is a lovely little Western style food restaurant that is inexpensive and good. You get way more charm, pleasant surroundings, quality food/preparation, efficient and attentive service than you pay for here. Delicious split pea, tomato and other soup with some toasted French bread for less than 100 baht. Good salads and special chicken, pork ribs or sausage combos with mashed potatoes, greens and so on for less than 200 baht. Every meal includes a tiny basket of French bread with butter. And, hehe, there is self-serve free water for those who just want water. No charge for cold or room temperature water, for your Thai dates who think drinking cold water is bad for women. lol. Fine small cake/cookie and ice cream desserts that hit the spot for those into desserts without feeling like you really larded it on since they are small size.

I have not yet tried their pizza and I do not recommend their pork burgers because, as I quoted from your mention of it above, pork makes for a crappy burger. And as good as Pan's is, they are no exception here. The pork burgers are crappy. I could not finish one and they're not very big. Also, I tried their 350 baht beef steak dinner (the most expensive thing on their menu, as I recall) and it was just passible if you really must have a cheap steak. It is still quite a bit better than the cheap steak you'd get at Foodland, however. The pork steak is the much better choice at Pan's.

Actually, there are several interesting and worthwhile Western style eateries within a 10 minute walk down Soi 16 right behind the Exchange Tower.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2240772]That Foodland next to Column Hotel is on Soi 16, which does not extend all the way to Sukhumvit Road, as I am sure you know but others might not. You have to walk down Ratchedaphisek just behind the Exchange Tower at the corner of Sukhumvit and Asok/Ratchedaphisek to find it.

However, imo, a much better option as long as you are right there is to cross to the other side of Soi 16, almost directly across from Foodland, to Pan's Bakery/All Day Eatery. That is a lovely little Western style food restaurant that is inexpensive and good. You get way more charm, pleasant surroundings, quality food/preparation, efficient and attentive service than you pay for here. Delicious split pea, tomato and other soup with some toasted French bread for less than 100 baht. Good salads and special chicken, pork ribs or sausage combos with mashed potatoes, greens and so on for less than 200 baht. Every meal includes a tiny basket of French bread with butter. And, hehe, there is self-serve free water for those who just want water. No charge for cold or room temperature water, for your Thai dates who think drinking cold water is bad for women. lol. Fine small cake/cookie and ice cream desserts that hit the spot for those into desserts without feeling like you really larded it on since they are small size.

I have not yet tried their pizza and I do not recommend their pork burgers because, as I quoted from your mention of it above, pork makes for a crappy burger. And as good as Pan's is, they are no exception here. The pork burgers are crappy. I could not finish one and they're not very big. Also, I tried their 350 baht beef steak dinner (the most expensive thing on their menu, as I recall) and it was just passible if you really must have a cheap steak. It is still quite a bit better than the cheap steak you'd get at Foodland, however. The pork steak is the much better choice at Pan's.

Actually, there are several interesting and worthwhile Western style eateries within a 10 minute walk down Soi 16 right behind the Exchange Tower.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip on Pan's. I have passed it many times; now I'll give it a shot.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2240772]That Foodland next to Column Hotel is on Soi 16, which does not extend all the way to Sukhumvit Road, as I am sure you know but others might not. You have to walk down Ratchedaphisek just behind the Exchange Tower at the corner of Sukhumvit and Asok/Ratchedaphisek to find it.

However, imo, a much better option as long as you are right there is to cross to the other side of Soi 16, almost directly across from Foodland, to Pan's Bakery/All Day Eatery. That is a lovely little Western style food restaurant that is inexpensive and good. You get way more charm, pleasant surroundings, quality food/preparation, efficient and attentive service than you pay for here. Delicious split pea, tomato and other soup with some toasted French bread for less than 100 baht. Good salads and special chicken, pork ribs or sausage combos with mashed potatoes, greens and so on for less than 200 baht. Every meal includes a tiny basket of French bread with butter. And, hehe, there is self-serve free water for those who just want water. No charge for cold or room temperature water, for your Thai dates who think drinking cold water is bad for women. lol. Fine small cake/cookie and ice cream desserts that hit the spot for those into desserts without feeling like you really larded it on since they are small size.

I have not yet tried their pizza and I do not recommend their pork burgers because, as I quoted from your mention of it above, pork makes for a crappy burger. And as good as Pan's is, they are no exception here. The pork burgers are crappy. I could not finish one and they're not very big. Also, I tried their 350 baht beef steak dinner (the most expensive thing on their menu, as I recall) and it was just passible if you really must have a cheap steak. It is still quite a bit better than the cheap steak you'd get at Foodland, however. The pork steak is the much better choice at Pan's.

Actually, there are several interesting and worthwhile Western style eateries within a 10 minute walk down Soi 16 right behind the Exchange Tower.[/QUOTE]I'll definitely give that place a try if I still have time and have a hankering for western food. I was just at that Foodland the other day and stopped in at Zeno Coffee (looks Thai owned). The breakfast I had at Zeno was average and the coffee is not worth going out of your way for.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2240828]Thanks for the tip on Pan's. I have passed it many times; now I'll give it a shot.[/QUOTE]I haven't tried their breakfast yet but the options look quite good in their menu and I have found their menu pics to be realistic representations of what you get. I think they stop serving breakfast at 11:30 am, but still have an egg brunch item or two available for the rest of the day.

[QUOTE=Jim200;2240742]Day 6 Cont'd.

Once downstairs, see motions me to the couch to put on my shoes. An older lady is napping on there and I tell her I'll put them on standing. I put on one pair and I grab the counter to put on the 2nd and the part of the counter that I grabbed is loose and slightly gets lifted to one side. I release it before any damage is done, but the cashier still gives me a dirty look.

[/QUOTE]Excellent report!

Though I do wonder how you make it around town wearing two pairs of shoes!

Just kidding. Thanks for the detailed report.

Made a quick run last night. Nana was hopping, a live band was wandering the streets playing for baht to support a Big Buddha in Buriram. Looks like its tourist season as there were distinctly more Farang around. I hit a few GoGos but only had more than one drink in one, I even bought two ladydrinks but since I was on a time schedule, I had my usual waitress just give them to my target who keeps wondering who I am (I go there for a quick drink once a week for a while).

The street talent was poor. The area is totally disgusting still.

Went into Magic Table and it was a pig farm. I wouldn't do any in there with someone elses putz. Don't let anyone tell you there is talent there, unless you go 24/7 and scope up a stray one. Sad, I used to love it.

Thermae was screaming crowded and loaded with Chinese. The girls were therefore hungry for business because as I am told Chinese mongers, look, take their time, and are cheap. They have no manners and are pushy. One of these days I'm going to clip one that bumps into me, all it will cost me is LeRoubechon for my Krysha. After circling a few times, talking to some Japanese dudes, and standing near the toilet entrance to cool off and make dates on Line (I have a nice one lined up for tonight), I grabbed a 20 year old skinny little thing right after she quoted a Shanghai Sam 4 K. I worked her to 1500ST and wham bam worked for me, she was happy for the cash for 5 minutes of work.

There are tons of real girls who hang outside of Thermae stairs because I suspect they arent 20. The Ladyboys stay 20 meters away. I saw on Falang talk to one and I wanted to warn him but figured that's what he was after.

I wish there were Russian / Euro girls around, I need some Western food, I'm getting Thaied out.

Food wise, I mangiared very early at Rachan Noodles near Wongwian Yai BTS, fabulous noodles but they close at 6. So by 11 pm, after drinking and shtupping, I was famished and crawled in the gutter to pound a Big Mac. Uggg. That's why I hate Lower Sukhamvit.

Have fun!

She looks delightful and needs some tonsil massage and a thorough colon exam with my Johnson to see her full range of contribution to mankind. Can you PM me her phone or confirm if she is in BKK?

Kok Bang is a fine city, it just needs a space away from the traffic and crap for some (western) cultural and intellectual exchange to avoid the expat loneliness that often sets in. I do suggest Germany as an alternate if you can get away from the ever present mercenary Romanians. Though I always get a kick out of watching the smouldering resentment of western hags seeing grey haired senior citizens with pretty 20 years olds on each arm. I try to pick times and places to rub it in and make their husbands jealous (despite denials). Suggest the clip out of "The Upside of Anger" with Joan Allen and Kevin Costner on old American hags seeing their pussy power offshored to pretty, happy young things.

I dine exclusively at the why and like the musty taste of homegrown Thai whenever I'm in the Bangers.

Oh wait, you meant food! LOL.

[QUOTE=Jim200;2240636]I do mainly eat Thai food while here but I don't want to eat it for every meal. A thread for recommended places would be great.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2240946]
The street talent was poor. The area is totally disgusting still.

Went into Magic Table and it was a pig farm. I wouldn't do any in there with someone elses putz. Don't let anyone tell you there is talent there, unless you go 24/7 and scope up a stray one. Sad, I used to love it.

Thermae was screaming crowded and loaded with Chinese. The girls were therefore hungry for business because as I am told Chinese mongers, look, take their time, and are cheap. They have no manners and are pushy. One of these days I'm going to clip one that bumps into me, all it will cost me is LeRoubechon for my Krysha. After circling a few times, talking to some Japanese dudes, and standing near the toilet entrance to cool off and make dates on Line (I have a nice one lined up for tonight), I grabbed a 20 year old skinny little thing right after she quoted a Shanghai Sam 4 K. I worked her to 1500ST and wham bam worked for me, she was happy for the cash for 5 minutes of work.

There are tons of real girls who hang outside of Thermae stairs because I suspect they arent 20. The Ladyboys stay 20 meters away. I saw on Falang talk to one and I wanted to warn him but figured that's what he was after.

Food wise, I mangiared very early at Rachan Noodles near Wongwian Yai BTS, fabulous noodles but they close at 6. So by 11 pm, after drinking and shtupping, I was famished and crawled in the gutter to pound a Big Mac. Uggg. That's why I hate Lower Sukhamvit.
[/QUOTE]Thanks, entertaining, you cracked me up nearly first time for very long. Have to agree that we see pig farms regularly, I never went in Magic Tables, but have gawked when passing by. I am a bigot for "skinny". Big ass or big thighs is a huge turnoff for me, and I can't work out exactly why I am programmed this way. A girl really has to have "gap" between the thighs, but can be a lot shorter than models. Tit size doesn't matter much if a nice shape.

Why on earth would you stay Wong Wian Yai? That is Thonburi (and I have been there) LOL Work or GF lives there? Certainly makes it hard getting home once BTS closes, however I guess don't play late.

A big Mac is stupidity. Your own fault completely. Little Italy on corner of Soi 23 is open all night (always liked their lamb chops) as is Love Scene Thai restaurant in Soi 23, also a fish and chips shop open late. At Corner bar (Corner Soi 23 and cowboy) sells superior burgers and other fast food till 2 am. Getting something very tasty is not a problem at all. Bradman Sports Pub has good western food up to 11 PM or so. That is just Soi 23 must be other Sois with good options. Further down soi 23 is a high class steak place (At Whisgars), many more sports pubs, Barcelona, Indocine, etc. A lot of choice, even Chokchai farm restaurant. In Soi Asoke below ground is large Japanese suchi and other stuff restaurant open very late. Forget the name now. Very busy. Just look around a bit. Puu Porchana is a good Thai seafood place in Soi 31 I think.

You say many Thai girls outside Thermae. I am a little sceptical of that but understand some could be too young (they would need to watch out for police). Almost 90% outside very close by were ladyboys when I last visited, unless I assume everything tall must be a ladyboy, no matter how pretty. LOL. I suppose it is possible I just failed to notice real girls but really not that many very close by.

Years ago Thermae was a charmed venue and rocked on after 2am when other bars closed, due to being owned by the police they said. This meant gogo girls that failed to make money could move there. Don't think happens much any more. Hard to find girls that prefer Farangs and give good service and non restrictive, these days. So definitely did much better with lovely girls found there 15 to 27 years ago. Yet some Asians say this is the best hunting ground these days. Puzzling to me with my last 5 girls from there all unsatisfactory in one way or another. I just failed to find sweet, kissy, horny, experienced, and not dick scared all in the same girl. Yet I can find exactly that in a gogo. It helps I know some girls long term.

In my early days in Thermae (starting 1991 the old venue), all girls I had were amateur part time hookers with other jobs, and not one dud among them, that I can remember, generally hooked me and had me wanting to repeat them every night. Success rate was exceptional. Such lovely and horny girls, looking for all night with a Farang and many repeats to come preferred. I suppose I was more appealing at 35 YO. LOL Although possibly not best possible lover in bed (not experienced enough and just being taught how to do DATY right). Price was very low. Don't recall now if was 500 Baht or 1k all night or somewhere in between. Sometimes they had to leave a bit early like to work in clothing shop in Silom or to clean Hotel rooms or whatever the regular job was. These girls could go out and get laid and get some pocket money as well, to help pay the bills. Regular jobs paid very poorly indeed. Those were the very good old days for me, in paradise after divorced from Farang.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2240772]That Foodland next to Column Hotel is on Soi 16, which does not extend all the way to Sukhumvit Road, as I am sure you know but others might not. You have to walk down Ratchedaphisek just behind the Exchange Tower at the corner of Sukhumvit and Asok/Ratchedaphisek to find it.

However, imo, a much better option as long as you are right there is to cross to the other side of Soi 16, almost directly across from Foodland, to Pan's Bakery/All Day Eatery. That is a lovely little Western style food restaurant that is inexpensive and good. You get way more charm, pleasant surroundings, quality food/preparation, efficient and attentive service than you pay for here. Delicious split pea, tomato and other soup with some toasted French bread for less than 100 baht. Good salads and special chicken, pork ribs or sausage combos with mashed potatoes, greens and so on for less than 200 baht. Every meal includes a tiny basket of French bread with butter. And, hehe, there is self-serve free water for those who just want water. No charge for cold or room temperature water, for your Thai dates who think drinking cold water is bad for women. lol. Fine small cake/cookie and ice cream desserts that hit the spot for those into desserts without feeling like you really larded it on since they are small size.
[/QUOTE]Yes quite right the Soi numbers on that side confuse me. Thanks for tip on Pan's. I can't remember if I ate there or not when staying at Column. Quite likely, as Foodland is more a place to eat very late when desperate and no other easy alternative near. Good veg food is important to me, and not swimming in a lake of mayo or any others sauces. LOL.

Good steaks definitely available in Soi 23 and good beef burgers at several places. I guess Soi 23 is very oriented towards Farangs. Full of Oily MPs that I never tried as well, and even late night cart bars are back. Must be my favourite Soi. LOL absolutely perfect location to stay so close to BTS and MRT. Only short motorcycle ride to the MPs on Soi 24 to 26. Maybe is slightly to hectic. Tending to stay on quiet Sois these days since I decided not to live in BKK any longer, just visit.

[QUOTE=Jim200;2240742]
For some reason the letter (C) gets auto corrected to see on this website.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's correct and there are some more annoying auto corrections like that. You can correct the auto correct by clicking on 'Edit post' AFTER you have uploaded your report.

[QUOTE=Jim200;2240742]
For some reason the letter (C) gets auto corrected to see on this website.[/QUOTE]So do letters be (B) and the (D). LOL The auto corrector is such an annoying feature, I can't understand why moderators do not switch it off. We end up posting something different from what we typed. Which is so stupid. There are plenty of misspellings that it does not correct. It really only corrects what should not be touched. It changes stuff as you type. The end result is nonsense. Mamasan becomes "Mamas an". Very stupid. Mamas is not real word in my opinion.

Those that have edit permission can fix it.

Every post I make, I can highlight the full text. And hit "Copy" to clipboard. After posting and see my post has been fucked by the auto corrector, including Thai script destroyed, I edit post and paste the entire post text back in over the top of the auto corrected stuff, and correct anything that really needed correcting myself manually.

Then save. The 2nd save does not get auto corrected except for messing with forbidden words. Unfortunately, edit your post multiple times, and Thai script and any other foreign characters like in the word " Naïve " will be fucked sooner rather than later.

Admin: Please turn the post "fucker" off.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241064]Yes quite right the Soi numbers on that side confuse me. Thanks for tip on Pan's. I can't remember if I ate there or not when staying at Column. Quite likely, as Foodland is more a place to eat very late when desperate and no other easy alternative near. Good veg food is important to me, and not swimming in a lake of mayo or any others sauces. LOL.[/QUOTE]Speaking of vegitarian food, you must know about and have tried the popular vegan restaurant on Ratchedaphisek Rd around the corner from Sukhumvit Rd, more or less across the street from the Exchange Tower and just past Duangporn Massage, Som's new BJ bar location. I have not tried it yet but it is a go to destination for my (mostly) vegitarian friends and seems to be packed whenever I pass by in the evening. The name is Vegan something, can't recall exactly.

Also, correction on my earlier post; Pan's stops serving their full breakfast items at 11am, not 11:30am. And I can now say their French omelet with bacon, sausage, avacado, greens, mushrooms, tomatoes (all on the side, not in the omelet) with buttered toast was delicious, perfectly prepared and, imo, a rare good deal at 179 baht all in. I left the 21 baht change as a tip since Service Charge is not included in the bill and the young Thai lady server seemed genuinely appreciative of it.

Tonights Sukhumvit Report:

After a date with a lovely 20 year old (its going to be a work in progress, she's so cute) I made a stop in Funland. I had been Messaging with a Dancer at Butterflies and decided to sneak over and see her in person. Uggg. The old adage "She looks better than her pictures" does not apply. One drink. Yuck. Cruised over to my usual stop, my fav was getting lady drunk by some farang dudes so pounded down another drink and took off. Walked over to Hooters, had a beer and watched the comings and goings, the pickings were slim in the Nana Parking lot.

My body doesn't handle booze that well anymore, and I had a minor fun itch even though it had recently been scratched. I decided, based on recent intelligence, to go look for gorgeous Rooskies but not really Rooskies over at the Amari Blvd Hotel. I had to take a leak anyway. The doorman paid no attention to me so I didn't need to drop a 20 as I walked in, I just rolled to the can, which as we all know, is past the Registration desk on the left as you are walking in, right before the stairs. After draining the dragon, I decided to look in the Coffee shop for the hot Rooskies. Oops I forgot, there is no Coffee Shop on the right. Or on the left. There is a small bar, and a restaurant waaaay in the back but not a Rooskie real or fake to be seen. There were some babes in the lobby but they were so burkaed up I couldn't tell what colour their hair or eyes were.

O well, I didn't feel like walking to the Royal Garden or the Grace (where there is a Coffee Shop on the right. And left) so I struck out for greener pastures. Wood Bar was celebrating Halloween early, as was Eden, as all the workers looked like the chick with the pointy hat in the Wizard of Oz, sans costumes. I walked into Magic Table; and walked out. The talent on 7/1 gave me the heebee jeebies.

Rolled up to Thermae, it was so absolutely crowded I didn't go in. Almost a line up the stairs. By now its like 11 pm so I bagged it and MRT / BTS it home. Where, I am awaiting a visit from one of my Net girls who lives out here in Thonburi.

Have fun!

I don't know if I did myself or you guys a favour with my last visit to crazy house, and wouldn't mind to read your opinions.

I had visited crazy house a few times over the last two weeks, and had once paid girl number 125 a single lady drink. She was nice, and so next time when she saw me again, I agreed to the usual tequila-cola-combo. The girl immediately downed the tequila, sipped once at the cola and then excused herself to "go toilet but come back". I sensed trouble coming my way.

After half an hour of waiting for the girl, I got up and went searching for her on the upper floor. Surely I found her sitting and having a drink with another customer. Right then when I spotted her, she got up from him again in order to go down dancing because obviously it was her turn again. So I hurried down again myself and watched her climb to the dance stage. She danced lasciviously in front of another customer sitting right at the bar and virtually rubbed her p*ssy to his nose. Then she realised that I was watching jealously, she frowned and moved away to a more distant part of the stage. For all that time, her still full glass of cola had been waiting for her on my table.

Now, the very same "go toilet, come back"-scam had been tried on me a few days earlier by another girl (whose number I can't remember). This first time I had eventually asked the waitress to go looking for "my" girl, and when finally found, the latter then reluctantly sat down again with me and quickly finished her drink within half a minute before asking for another one which, of course, I refused.

Now I told myself I don't need that same bu**sh*t again. It was the last day of my holidays, I wanted to have pure fun, and I knew I won't be back in Bangkok for at least half a year, and by that time my beard will be gone, too. So I decided to not pay for the girl's cola. I put all the money for the rest of the bill in the bill holder, got up and made for the entry. I had almost reached the curtain at the door when two waitresses asked me where I had been sitting and where I was going. I showed them my seat, told them all the money was in the bill holder except for the amount for the cola which I would no pay because girl number 125 (at that moment I also pointed her out on the stage) had not sat for more than two seconds with me. Both waitresses said "wait, wait" and obviously wanted to go and fetch the girl for me. Since I didn't want to have the episode end like it did the first time, I just said "no, I won't wait", and left.

I guess, girl number 125 will have to return her lady drink coupon for the cola, and maybe she will even have to pay the bar's share on that drink. I'm no cheap charly, and I don't begrudge their had earned income to the girls at all. But the thought that I pay a drink for a girl who then strokes sby elses *ock, that thought spoils my evening even though I hardly notice the difference in my wallet. And my mood gets affected for even longer than just the waiting time until she might or might not return from "the toilet". So I felt like it can't do no harm if the girl has to learn a little lesson.

What do you think? Would you have reacted the same way? If not, then how else?

Syzygies: I stay out in THonburi because I get more and pay less than folks who live "downtown", and can get to anywhere I want that matters as or almost as fast. Plus there are fewer annoying Farangs, Indians and Chinese. The air is cleaner and the traffic less. And because I am farang living in a Thai area, single and alone, I get mothered by the old lady vendors and the shop workers. Everyone wants to be my friend at the local markets. I even pitch bottle tops with the MC guys. I have no trouble getting back from Sukh late at night, if I have to I grab or double taxi, but I'm usually home before midnight so as not to turn into a sea slug.

[QUOTE=Biggusdickus;2241348]I don't know if I did myself or you guys a favour with my last visit to crazy house, and wouldn't mind to read your opinions.

I had visited crazy house a few times over the last two weeks, and had once paid girl number 125 a single lady drink. She was nice, and so next time when she saw me again, I agreed to the usual tequila-cola-combo. The girl immediately downed the tequila, sipped once at the cola and then excused herself to "go toilet but come back". I sensed trouble coming my way.

After half an hour of waiting for the girl, I got up and went searching for her on the upper floor. Surely I found her sitting and having a drink with another customer. Right then when I spotted her, she got up from him again in order to go down dancing because obviously it was her turn again. So I hurried down again myself and watched her climb to the dance stage. She danced lasciviously in front of another customer sitting right at the bar and virtually rubbed her p*ssy to his nose. Then she realised that I was watching jealously, she frowned and moved away to a more distant part of the stage. For all that time, her still full glass of cola had been waiting for her on my table.

Now, the very same "go toilet, come back"-scam had been tried on me a few days earlier by another girl (whose number I can't remember). This first time I had eventually asked the waitress to go looking for "my" girl, and when finally found, the latter then reluctantly sat down again with me and quickly finished her drink within half a minute before asking for another one which, of course, I refused.

Now I told myself I don't need that same bu**sh*t again. It was the last day of my holidays, I wanted to have pure fun, and I knew I won't be back in Bangkok for at least half a year, and by that time my beard will be gone, too. So I decided to not pay for the girl's cola. I put all the money for the rest of the bill in the bill holder, got up and made for the entry. I had almost reached the curtain at the door when two waitresses asked me where I had been sitting and where I was going. I showed them my seat, told them all the money was in the bill holder except for the amount for the cola which I would no pay because girl number 125 (at that moment I also pointed her out on the stage) had not sat for more than two seconds with me. Both waitresses said "wait, wait" and obviously wanted to go and fetch the girl for me. Since I didn't want to have the episode end like it did the first tim6e, I just said "no, I won't wait", and left.

I guess, girl number 125 will have to return her lady drink coupon for the cola, and maybe she will even have to pay the bar's share on that drink. I'm no cheap charly, and I don't begrudge their had earned income to the girls at all. But the thought that I pay a drink for a girl who then strokes sby elses *ock, that thought spoils my evening even though I hardly notice the difference in my wallet. And my mood gets affected for even longer than just the waiting time until she might or might not return from "the toilet". So I felt like it can't do no harm if the girl has to learn a little lesson.

What do you think? Would you have reacted the same way? If not, then how else?[/QUOTE]If you already knew the tequila and cola bit was a two Lady Drink scam, why did you agree to it? Even if you were trying to be generous and kind to a girl you liked by buying her two Lady Drinks at a time, she would probably never recognize that as generosity and kindness but only as a sure sign you were ripe to be scammed further. Unfortunately.

Yes, generally speaking, you (we) do yourself, the rest of us, the more "honorable" girls trying to make a living and even the venue a favor, if even in some small way better than being part of the problem, by refusing to just go along and not protest when a scam is happening. However, I would not have just walked out without paying the full bill including the LD. The girl can and now will make up any story she wants about how dastardly you were to her and your just walking out will simply support and enable whatever tall tale she tells.

I would have called a server or mamasan over after an acceptable amount of time for her to go to the toilet or whatever, pointed to the full cocktail glass and said I'm not paying for that, take it off the bill and, no, I don't want you to go find the girl and bring her back.

I have done that and in Crazy House. You don't even need to explain why to the staff there since that scam is so pervasive and routinely done or tried in Crazy House, an explanation is not necessary. In fact, I would regard their demanding an explanation at Crazy House for you not just going along with that scam as another scam attempt.

On the issue if you feeling some level of jealousy and hurt feelings, take solace in the very high likelihood that all that girl does night after night, same as many girls in CH, is scam one guy after another on that two LD and disappear trick with no intention of ever giving any of them 100 bahts' worth if sexual pleasure. And that includes the gullible rubes who go so far as to pay the barfine and her fee to be alone with her in a room.

[QUOTE=Biggusdickus;2241348]
I guess, girl number 125 will have to return her lady drink coupon for the cola, and maybe she will even have to pay the bar's share on that drink. I'm no cheap charly, and I don't begrudge their had earned income to the girls at all. But the thought that I pay a drink for a girl who then strokes sby elses *ock, that thought spoils my evening even though I hardly notice the difference in my wallet. And my mood gets affected for even longer than just the waiting time until she might or might not return from "the toilet". So I felt like it can't do no harm if the girl has to learn a little lesson.

What do you think? Would you have reacted the same way? If not, then how else?[/QUOTE]I would not be too concerned. There are girls like this, quite a few possibly. Obviously you need to boycott the girl. Would help to publish her name as well if you should know it.

There are scam girls who flit from one customer to another, as soon as get drinks, disappear. Less likely to happen to regular customers because girl knows will lose them as a possible customer, and we tend to know some of the rip off girls. Chocolate a mother with big sillies, is one such shit girl. A couple of years back, I called over Kratae with very hot tight body and Rihanna look, and bought a drink or drinks given can't recall exactly now. I was thinking about BF, but she said she prefers disco (possibly dick scared I don't know). Anyway, having just got a drink or drinks she very quickly flitted to another customer (could be a regular customer. One doesn't know). Still bad behaviour. She immediately gets black balled, by me. Maybe a year later she has not been working but returns over weight. She is struggling to get any customers, no one wants her. My girl Oom is a close friend of hers (they stayed close together maybe even shared rooms). Oom asks if I can buy some drinks for Kratae. Sorry no way, Jose! Past deeds come back to haunt girls. She probably would not even remember how she treated me a year or so earlier. Now she is destitute, she is sorry. LOL.

Better girls will ask permission to go visit their regular customer briefly, and perhaps come back, or ask if we intend to BF as perhaps another customer will.

Buying a girl drinks does not mean ownership, you have to BF a girl to stop her running away to other customers really. However girls will understand the effect on their reputation. One day I was taking time to BF the Cambodian girl Jan (looks Thai), a girl who likes Farangs and preferrably big ones, but decided to do so while she was dancing. She did not return to me despite drinks bought, because she went to her young other regular customer. I was pissed off and never BFed her again. She reaped the rewards of her behaviour.

These things happen. Not every girl makes the best decisions for her long term business. Some are greedy and have no qualms about unfair behaviour. Smart girls will know not lose their regular customers if at all possible. This means stress for them when several regulars arrive at the same time and expect ownership. The guy with best character may lose out quite easily. The only remedy is to BF quickly once you have made up your mind. I don't really have any bargirls to compete for any more, but if some old favourite appeared, I know to BF immediately before shit happens.

The lesson I think, is experienced bar goers are aware of all the scams and shit that can happen, we get a lot more relaxed about it. One girl fucks it, we can find another girl. Cost of the split milk is not so bad unless we bought her numerous drinks. Would be silly to do that and not BF the girl in order to hang on to her, unless we know she is very reliable, or sometimes we are happy enough for her to move on. No point to have any feelings of jealousy in a bar, right? I never feel jealousy, with lots of experience am well beyond that. We accept that sometimes we don't get the most preferred girl. Too slow, or she just prefers someone else.

These types of bargirl scams or unreliability could happen in any gogo bar. Management is interested in selling the most drinks, they are not going to stop the scamming girls from getting a lot of drinks sold. That would not be very Thai to interfere so much. If the bar was willing to refund a girls drink, that is a pretty good sign they are trying to be fair and retain customers. They had so much trouble with customers denying they bought drinks (just not realising most likely what the girls ordeed), that customers now have to sign every drink sheet to avoid disputes. I still add up my bill and know very closely how much it will be as staff using calculators can get it wrong (occasionally). It is easier to make mistakes using calculator than adding by brain only. Still they usually do it twice to double check. So I found wrong bill was fairly rare but does happen.

If you don't BF a girl, someone else may at any moment. Even if that does not happen, girl may supposedly need to go to toilet, but not come back. My best regular girls would not do that to me. Otherwise no guarantees. Some of my girls would know I am OK for them to go visit another guy briefly if they then come back soon. They need to try to be on good terms with all of their regulars.

ET's comment is slightly incorrect I think. Girls do not see asking for two drinks as a scam necessarily. Its a scam in the mind of some customers. If girl tries to do it without the customer agreement, then is a scam. Girl might request "Tequilla coke, Na" knowing that I know that is two drinks. Some guys unfortunately did not know. It is quite common place these days. Bars are getting too expensive LOL. Bars are not Japanese dominated in so many places. Farangs got sick of it all. Customer can agree to it or not. I always hold up 1 finger and state 1 drink to waitress, if I am wary of the girl not knowing her too well. My favourite girl might get two drinks no big problem, especially if I am going to BF her as well.

I visited gogo bars in Jakarta recently. The staff pressure in Malio to buy drinks was vastly heavier. Would have to say No so many times. In CH once usually works O.K. (being a known regular probably helps) Once was not enough, customer was expected to cave in. Dancing girls might ask for 5 shots at a time, and drinks for friends etc., and each one was a very small drink. Was sweet and fruity and possibly had no alcohol at all. Shot was so unfull that the girl could pour multiple drinks into the same glass, and down them all at once. LOL I tasted one and did not notice any significant alcohol.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2241373]Syzygies: I stay out in THonburi because I get more and pay less than folks who live "downtown", and can get to anywhere I want that matters as or almost as fast. Plus there are fewer annoying Farangs, Indians and Chinese. The air is cleaner and the traffic less. And because I am farang living in a Thai area, single and alone, I get mothered by the old lady vendors and the shop workers. Everyone wants to be my friend at the local markets. I even pitch bottle tops with the MC guys. I have no trouble getting back from Sukh late at night, if I have to I grab or double taxi, but I'm usually home before midnight so as not to turn into a sea slug.[/QUOTE]I recently stay in Sathorn cheaply, as at least can avoid crossing the river. Late at night is only 15 minutes taxi from Cowboy. Good apartments avail for very good price (I paid 1500 for one worth 3 k to 4 k) or even have Hotels with prices less than 1 K when not full. I can imagine prices at Wong Wian Yai would be much lower still.

Traffic on Sathon road bridge (Saphaan Taksin) can be appalling (am I wrong?) so that means little choice but to use BTS, which can be very packed and uncomfortable in daytime. However if you don't need to go anywhere much, would be acceptable. I thought about staying there once, but changed my mind. GF did not want me seen in her neighbourhood fearing local gossipers. I would be curious if the Rama 3 bridge is a better alternative or is BTS the only option when traffic bad? So yes, my GF once lived in Thonburi not that far from Wong Wian Yai, as well as your girl mentioned.

So any tips about daytime movement between Sukhumvit and Thonburi? In the old days, longtail boats travelling on canals was a good alternative to beat traffic jams. I wonder if it still is, and does anyone use this approach at all? Certainly crossing Chao Praya river by boat can be an option I have used in the past to go from Tewet to other side or back.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241407]
I visited gogo bars in Jakarta recently. The staff pressure in Malio to buy drinks was vastly heavier. Would have to say No so many times.[/QUOTE]There are few places in this world where they pressure you more to buy drinks than at Malio in Jakarta. Since they show up with a tray of "tequilas" (sprite) already there ready to drink, you have to really watch them. I normally buy drinks for one girl, then her friend joins in and tries to get drinks as well and I refuse. However, sometimes they still drink those things even though you refuse multiple times. They will then ask you to pay and you have to argue with the staff there that you never told the girls they could have those drinks. The staff will eventually relent, but it's a pain.

Maybe this is why I never think there is any pressure in Bangkok to buy the girls drinks. The pressure in Jakarta is far worse so I don't even notice it in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2241430]Maybe this is why I never think there is any pressure in Bangkok to buy the girls drinks. The pressure in Jakarta is far worse so I don't even notice it in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Yup! Absolutely true. Glad to here the immense Jakarta pressure is not for newbie me only. LOL

In Crazy House I hardly notice it. Most girls are fairly polite about drinks in Bangkok, to my way of thinking, excepting really scam type of girls. Occasionally something went wrong, no big deal, where waitress claims girl ordered something that I was unaware of. Being firm works okay Not allowing the girl to order direct to the waitress helps, I always speak to the waitress re what is ordered and show 1 finger for 1 drink for the girl. This avoids assumptions. Helps speaking Thai I guess, since girl tells me what she wants and I tell the waitress. Guys not vigilent can be caught with the unexpected.

Most recent time something went wrong was when I agreed to a drink for a mamasan, and somehow two drinks arrived for the mamasan, and I had never seen that happen before. One drink was then retuned by the mamasan, and she acted surprised as well. I think mamasans are not allowed to drink Tequilas in CH, as would not do to have them drunk. Suzie has a very drunk mamas an and is not good, because can start to get too raunchy.

In Jakarta I don't speak the lingo, but shaking the head and saying NO is understandable, even if has to be done 3 to 5 times. Waiter still tries to put drinks on the table from tray of sticky shots but I just say nope, he is not allowed to unload drinks that I don't agree to.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241436]Waiter still tries to put drinks on the table from tray of sticky shots but I just say nope, he is not allowed to unload drinks that I don't agree to.[/QUOTE]I think that's true in the Malioboro side, but in the Malio side of the building, the girls will take the drinks directly out of the tray and drink them. I've had a girl giving me a lap dance while her friend grabs drinks out of the tray herself and drinks them without even asking me. Then my girl gets off my lap and I see the 5 drinks I bought for my girl as well as another 5 empty glasses sitting there on the table that her friend drank. As long as you just keep refusing to pay in that case, they won't charge for it. But they will push it for a good 20 minutes before relenting. You can avoid the attempted scam by never buying any drinks for any girls, but I like to get lap dances from those girls. They are hot!

Of course, the Tequila and Coke 2 Lady Drink at once bit is a scam and every girl in every bar who tries to pull it knows it's a scam.

Up until 4-5 years ago no bar girl I met ever ordered something called "tequila and coke" and no fellow punter ever told me he wound up buying twice as many LDs as he thought he was buying because a bar girl pulled this particular scam. To be sure, bills got padded and/or girls ordered two drinks instead of one here and there. And those were scams, too, just not nearly as refined as the Tequila and Coke scam because with that one the girl tricks you into being complicit in scamming yourself; "Tequila and coke, ok? Knowing full well most customers would think that is some weird popular Thai girl cocktail. "Sure," he says, thinking he is only buying her A Lady Drink instead of TWO Lady Drinks. LOL.

The only time it might not technically be a scam is if the girl says something like, "Buy me SOME drinks?" (plural) rather than "Buy me drink?" or the customer says something like, "You want SOME drinks?" instead of "You want a drink?"

But nobody that I know of, neither the girl nor the customer, talks that way. The uninitiated customer ALWAYS thinks he is only offering to buy her ONE drink right now and the girl ALWAYS knows that is what the uninitiated customer thinks she just asked him. She is fully aware she is pulling a scam designed to double her LD commissions all night and every time if possible.

Btw, the last 2-3 times I was in Crazy House in the past few months I did not have to sign for each drink order and I don't recall seeing others doing it either. Maybe just off or exceptional nights for them or something.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2241463]Of course, the Tequila and Coke 2 Lady Drink at once bit is a scam and every girl in every bar who tries to pull it knows it's a scam.

Up until 4-5 years ago no bar girl I met ever ordered something called "tequila and coke" and no fellow punter ever told me he wound up buying twice as many LDs as he thought he was buying because a bar girl pulled this particular scam. To be sure, bills got padded and/or girls ordered two drinks instead of one here and there. And those were scams, too, just not nearly as refined as the Tequila and Coke scam because with that one the girl tricks you into being complicit in scamming yourself; "Tequila and coke, ok? Knowing full well most customers would think that is some weird popular Thai girl cocktail. "Sure," he says, thinking he is only buying her A Lady Drink instead of TWO Lady Drinks. LOL.

The only time it might not technically be a scam is if the girl says something like, "Buy me SOME drinks?" (plural) rather than "Buy me drink?" or the customer says something like, "You want SOME drinks?" instead of "You want a drink?"

But nobody that I know of, neither the girl nor the customer, talks that way. The uninitiated customer ALWAYS thinks he is only offering to buy her ONE drink right now and the girl ALWAYS knows that is what the uninitiated customer thinks she just asked him. She is fully aware she is pulling a scam designed to double her LD commissions all night and every time if possible.

Btw, the last 2-3 times I was in Crazy House in the past few months I did not have to sign for each drink order and I don't recall seeing others doing it either. Maybe just off or exceptional nights for them or something.[/QUOTE]Kings Castle 1 & 2 in Patpong both have you sign for each drink order. I don't recall any other gogo bar pulling that 2 drink shit. I never liked Crazy House and Soi Cowboy in general has been atrocious the last few years, which is why I stopped going there.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241414]I recently stay in Sathorn cheaply, as at least can avoid crossing the river. Late at night is only 15 minutes taxi from Cowboy. Good apartments avail for very good price (I paid 1500 for one worth 3 k to 4 k) or even have Hotels with prices less than 1 K when not full. I can imagine prices at Wong Wian Yai would be much lower still.

Traffic on Sathon road bridge (Saphaan Taksin) can be appalling (am I wrong?) so that means little choice but to use BTS, which can be very packed and uncomfortable in daytime. However if you don't need to go anywhere much, would be acceptable. I thought about staying there once, but changed my mind. GF did not want me seen in her neighbourhood fearing local gossipers. I would be curious if the Rama 3 bridge is a better alternative or is BTS the only option when traffic bad? So yes, my GF once lived in Thonburi not that far from Wong Wian Yai, as well as your girl mentioned.

So any tips about daytime movement between Sukhumvit and Thonburi? In the old days, longtail boats travelling on canals was a good alternative to beat traffic jams. I wonder if it still is, and does anyone use this approach at all? Certainly crossing Chao Praya river by boat can be an option I have used in the past to go from Tewet to other side or back.[/QUOTE]Tips depends on where you want to go. I rarely venture out till after rush hour so until I hit Saphan Taksin, its pretty light on the Silom line trains. I have very little reason to go to Nana or Asoke or indeed anywhere on the Suk line during the day, unless its a weekend and I want to roll to say Chatuchak or Emquartier. Then I suck it up and just switch at Siam, the train is usually dead until you hit there.

If I want to go to Chinatown or anywhere in the old city, I just use the boats. There are times I will roll to Saphan Taksin, boat up to say Phra Artit then MC taxi to Pfanfa Bridge and take the San Saeb to Sukh Soi 3. It just depends where I am or what I am doing and what time of day. But find the trains to be fast and convenient, even during rush hour. The sucky junction is Siam, where I have to switch. If coming out of the Suk line, I get off at Siam, and walk to National stadium which is like 200 meters? Then I just que up and always get a seat from there to Bang Wa. If its really gnarly (like last night) I take the MRT at Asoke and switch at Sala Daeng, or vice versa, ride to Sala Daeng and then use the MRT.

The bottom line is that living on this side of the river doesn't cramp my style at all. I'm looking at places right now on the river itself (but they are spendy). But I'm 500 meters from the train, or a 1 minute 10 baht ride. I guarantee you that I can be at Nana within 20 minutes of someone living in On Nut or Ari at rush hour and probably more comfortably But I really don't care, becasue other than Cowboy or Nana or BJ bars, what's the reason to go there. I can grab something out of Thonburi Plaza if I want.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2241463] "Buy me SOME drinks?" (plural) rather than "Buy me drink?" [/QUOTE]Thai language does not have plurals so most bargirls don't do plurals two well at all.

The only option is for the girl to ask for "two drink (s), one tequila and one coke". Everyone know knows "tequila coke", is not a mixed drink, right? LOL.

Yes its a scam if anything is unexpected by the customer, and trickery. If I got what to expect when I order, and know the price, I can hardly be scammed. If girl asked for two drinks, and I agreed, its okay If girl was my favourite I might be happy with it. I might say two tequilas, but no coke. LOL because she needs to loosen up more, lose shyness and inhibitions. If girl asks for two drinks, it is not a scam, as such. Merely a polite request which can be declined. Certainly common place in the modern year.

There is a difference on the bed with some girls depending if they had enough leg openers or not. May-Lee (No. 49 2+ years ago) at CH with good tits and very pretty was like that. 1st session quite dull (maybe she did not feel at ease). 2nd session with a few tequilas gone, kissing and a hell of a lot of fun. Still miss her. She was a 9 points for looks to my spec. Probably my 3rd fav girl ever there for looks. The top 3 all performed really well in terms of being horny and fun (only May-Lee needed the leg openers to get her going though). Nut and Donut were my top two, both long gone. Now CH bores me because the stunners are not there.

Now SaengSom-Coke is another request. This one does sound like a mixed drink and usually is, but it maybe a much more expensive lady drink or may not depending on the bar. Those in doubt unfortunately need to ask what the price is. If you did not ask the price of a lady drink in Hong Kong, you get an really awful shock. Later they point to sign on the wall far away that you did not notice. LOL.

In many bars a lady tequila is a short one, but costs more than man big tequila. LOL You call that a scam too. Some bars like Billboard have "rose milky tequila" that is clearly not at all related to a tequila.

Girls have no big trouble to tell me what they want in Thai Language.

Many years ago at Long Gun, Ning would get tequilas one at a time, yet that pretty and skinny little thing could go through several of them very quick like water. She was the top show dancer at the time along with her dance partner girl. She made her money by drinks and entertaining customers, hardly ever going for a fuck. Not much difference from girls ordering drinks two at a time, but taking a bit longer to finish them.

Does not mean I like the trend of girls always asking for two drinks. If I don't know them well, I decline, since I may decide quickly I am not that keen on them. If I am keen and will BF, not great harm.

Thank you, EihTooms and Syzygies, for your comments!

Usually the waitress asks twice if tequila and cola are OK, and I've learned long ago that this means two drinks. Alas, nobody has ever heard of a tequila-cola-cocktail, right? So I don't see it as a serious scam as long as it is not tried on unsuspecting newbie customers or those drunk enough that they would agree to anything. However, when I accept to offer two drinks instead of just one then I expect the lady to spend twice as much time with me then when I just offer a single drink. That would be a fair deal in my understanding; with the small added advantage for the girl that she knows right away that the customer will give her two drinks instead of just one.

As far as the suggestion to openly declare my refusal to pay for the cola to the waitress, I like it, and I will try this approach should the same thing happen again. I don't think the girl did have much of a choice to talk her way out of the situation because I had explained the situation to two waitresses, and both seemed to know what was going on. It chose to just leave because I expected the waitresses to bring back the girl, and I didn't want to spend more time with her after she had ruined my mood already. But of course, I could have just rejected to have her brought back to my seat, and maybe I should have done it that way instead of leaving. Thanks again for the suggestion.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2241463]Of course, the Tequila and Coke 2 Lady Drink at once bit is a scam and every girl in every bar who tries to pull it knows it's a scam.

Up until 4-5 years ago no bar girl I met ever ordered something called "tequila and coke" and no fellow punter ever told me he wound up buying twice as many LDs as he thought he was buying because a bar girl pulled this particular scam. To be sure, bills got padded and/or girls ordered two drinks instead of one here and there. And those were scams, too, just not nearly as refined as the Tequila and Coke scam because with that one the girl tricks you into being complicit in scamming yourself; "Tequila and coke, ok? Knowing full well most customers would think that is some weird popular Thai girl cocktail. "Sure," he says, thinking he is only buying her A Lady Drink instead of TWO Lady Drinks. LOL.

The only time it might not technically be a scam is if the girl says something like, "Buy me SOME drinks?" (plural) rather than "Buy me drink?" or the customer says something like, "You want SOME drinks?" instead of "You want a drink?"

But nobody that I know of, neither the girl nor the customer, talks that way. The uninitiated customer ALWAYS thinks he is only offering to buy her ONE drink right now and the girl ALWAYS knows that is what the uninitiated customer thinks she just asked him. She is fully aware she is pulling a scam designed to double her LD commissions all night and every time if possible.[/QUOTE]Yet the only way to eliminate that scam (for a bar that wants to protect their customer from this behaviour) is to have the waitress asking confirmation to the costumer as they do in Twisters at Nana. It happened to me lately, girl asked me a ladydrink (overpriced at 215 b), I accepted but actually she asked for two drinks at the waitress, who then asked me if I was really willing to pay her two drinks. I then told her only one drink and everything went fine except that she sipped her tequila in less than 5 seconds and went away from me very quickly, but at least their waitress are having the good attitude.

Soon after checking into my hotel two weeks ago I decided to check off one on my Bangkok Must Try list. Walked to the beer garden on Soi 7 at 3 pm and sat down, place was somewhat empty but I saw 6 or 7 ladies, some with guys and others chatting in pairs. Got a bottle of beer and one semi-attractive woman motioned for me to come join her and her friend, both not really my type but I thought it would be fun to see what their game is. Nit, who waved me over, did all the talking, she was obviously interested in getting a customer, wanted 2000. I asked if DFK would be provided, "I really like to kiss. " Her friend smiled, got up and moved to a different table as Nit scowled, "not like to kiss, only with boyfriend. " I replied, "oh, you have a boyfriend?" Nit said, "no. " I was feeling belligerent so I countered with, "well maybe if you kissed on dates you would have a boyfriend. " She started to go off on me for being rude so I moved back to my original table.

A few minutes later a nicely dressed woman walks into the place and heads for the restrooms, "I like your shirt" and touches it as she passes by me. Coming back she asks "may I sit with you?" I bought her a beer and another for myself. I am highly attracted to her, Dollar, but tired from my flight. Her english is perfect and we seemed a good match, so I scheduled for her to meet me at my room for 2 pm the next day. She knocked on the door wearing a sexy dress and carrying 2 big cold bottles of Chang beer. I think, wow, that's so cool. She showered and poured beer into the hotel glasses then we proceeded to have a great chemistry sex. Dollar is in her early 40's, has natural C cup breasts, gave passionate BBBJs and lots of DFK. The next day I get a text message from her, "I miss you. " I'm thinking, cynically, she's having a slow day. But I walk to where she's at on Soi 11.

Thought I would be a gentleman and walk her back to my hotel. Get there, she's at a bar, I can't remember the name, and she's completely inebriated. Totally smashed. Can hardly stand up. Great, she's an alcoholic. Just gross. Tried to explain to her why I divorced someone similar and she just turned around and wobbled her way out the door. 2 hours later I had a great time at Kiss Massage with Ceela, so damn easy to move on in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=TigressWanted;2241636]A few minutes later a nicely dressed woman <snip> I walk to where she's at on Soi 11[/QUOTE]I'll be staying on Soi 11 next week. If you have a pic, I wouldn't turn down a talented, well endowed cocksucker for a few relatively sober hours.

[QUOTE=TigressWanted;2241636]Dollar is in her early 40's, has natural C cup breasts, gave passionate BBBJs and lots of DFK. The next day I get a text message from her, "I miss you. " I'm thinking, cynically, she's having a slow day. But I walk to where she's at on Soi 11.

Thought I would be a gentleman and walk her back to my hotel. Get there, she's at a bar, I can't remember the name, and she's completely inebriated. Totally smashed. Can hardly stand up. Great, she's an alcoholic. Just gross. Tried to explain to her why I divorced someone similar and she just turned around and wobbled her way out the door. 2 hours later I had a great time at Kiss Massage with Ceela, so damn easy to move on in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Well, sure, but maybe you could have gotten even better sex with Dollar again for even less than what you paid last time. Just saying.

[QUOTE=Ebauche;2241769]I'll be staying on Soi 11 next week. If you have a pic, I wouldn't turn down a talented, well endowed cocksucker for a few relatively sober hours.[/QUOTE]Sorry, didn't take any pics, but if you see a lady with medium length brown hair, wide face, perfect English, a royal blue pant suit on, with white pin stripes, between Soi 5 & Soi 11, on the streets or in any bars, that's her. And in reply to the other guy about getting better and cheaper sex with a woman who is totally smashed, no thanks, been there done that with my ex. I run away, not walk, from alcoholics. But Dollar is in fact quite fun when reasonably sober.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2241522]If its really gnarly (like last night) I take the MRT at Asoke and switch at Sala Daeng, or vice versa, ride to Sala Daeng and then use the MRT.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for detail. I would try it if my regular girl should live there. I did have a girl staying in a spendy high rise on Thonburi side for a bit, but she could not afford it really.

"Gnarly" is interesting word, that usually applies only to trees or very twisted stuff in my part of the world. Is it at all like English "ropey" or Canadian "hosed" (which are also unknown back home)? I guess must be special USA usage or slang, since not familiar with it.

[QUOTE=TigressWanted;2241636] Dollar is in her early 40's, has natural C cup breasts, gave passionate BBBJs and lots of DFK. [/QUOTE]I think the name Dollar is a little unlikely (still could be wrong). So hard for a Thai to pronounce Dollar at all close to how it should be. Likely an invented working name. Tora (originally a Japanese word) is more likely, and Thais pronounce it somewhere close to Dollar but more like Dtoh-Lah. I heard the word Tora used many time for a Soapy MP section giving body slide but I think came with the implication of big natural tits (to be used for massaging you).

Another possibility is her name is Dara which basically means a "star". Relatively common Thai name. In my early Soapy days I had a lot of trouble to pick the difference whether mamasan was talking about the Dtoh-Lah (Tora) section or the Dara section. Sounded so similar to me at the time, due to funny Thai sounds.

Another obvious possibility is Western name Dora, since Thais do not pronounce letter L or are at all like English, so that they often sound interchangeable.

I generally have had bad experiences with drunks. So I think good decision to pass. You can still fuck her another day when she is in much better condition. Just slightly tipsy can be good as makes Thai girls more passionate and out of control.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241541]Thai language does not have plurals so most bargirls don't do plurals two well at all.

The only option is for the girl to ask for "two drink (s), one tequila and one coke". Everyone know knows "tequila coke", is not a mixed drink, right? LOL.

[/QUOTE]LOL. Actually, no. I am not really a drinker so I could not tell you what combinations of liquids are to be found in 99% of the cocktails listed on a drink menu. Or what was just "invented" 6 months ago in Thailand and is now all the rage. You know, "Oh, have you tried the new cocktail out of Bangkok? It's called the "Thai Bargirl Scam". You mix teguila and coke! Fantastic!"

Besides which we are talking about Thai people. Everyone knows you don't put ketchup on pizza, right? And how about ketchup on French Toast? Everyone knows you never do that. Yep, many Thai people do both. I've seen it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2241846]LOL. Actually, no. I am not a drinker so I could not tell you what combinations of liquids are to be found in 99% of the cocktails listed on a drink menu. Or what was just "invented" 6 months ago in Thailand and is now all the rage. Besides which we are talking about Thai people. Everyone knows you don't put ketchup on pizza, right? And how about ketchup on French Toast? Yep, many Thai people do both. I've seen it.[/QUOTE]In China I have to remember to say no bacon no fried egg on my burger. Or noodles No mayonnaise too.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241821]I think the name Dollar is a little unlikely (still could be wrong). So hard for a Thai to pronounce Dollar at all close to how it should be. Likely an invented working name. Tora (originally a Japanese word) is more likely, and Thais pronounce it somewhere close to Dollar but more like Dtoh-Lah. I heard the word Tora used many time for a Soapy MP section giving body slide but I think came with the implication of big natural tits (to be used for massaging you).

Another possibility is her name is Dara which basically means a "star". Relatively common Thai name. In my early Soapy days I had a lot of trouble to pick the difference whether mamasan was talking about the Dtoh-Lah (Tora) section or the Dara section. Sounded so similar to me at the time, due to funny Thai sounds.[/QUOTE]Just checked my LINE, yep, she goes by Dollar, her photos there she's a redhead, 10 years younger, with a gorgeous smile.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241815]Thanks for detail. I would try it if my regular girl should live there. I did have a girl staying in a spendy high rise on Thonburi side for a bit, but she could not afford it really.

"Gnarly" is interesting word, that usually applies only to trees or very twisted stuff in my part of the world. Is it at all like English "ropey" or Canadian "hosed" (which are also unknown back home)? I guess must be special USA usage or slang, since not familiar with it.[/QUOTE]Gnarly is a description of something extreme. Can be extremely good or extremely bad. For non-Americans interested in our slang you can try [URL]www.urbandictionary.com[/URL] to find meanings of phrases you may not understand.

Syzgies I was surprised you used the term "no way Jose" in a recent post. That is American slang few non-Americans would understand.

Certainly you must have seen Fast Times at Ridgemont High with Phoebe Cates?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSOESfsNd4w[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovqke9RiMXs[/URL]

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2241851]In China I have to remember to say no bacon no fried egg on my burger. Or noodles No mayonnaise too.[/QUOTE]Fired egg and bacon is common place through the world for "Burger with the lot". However I also always remember now to request no Mayo on everything. Nothing worse than a soggy burger. In Soi 11 was once given salad bowl with shredded salad swimming in an immense lake of Mayo and I don't use normal Mayo at all. Was hard to explain to them that Mayo should be served separate so we can ignore it, and I wanted to eat my salad with my main course steak or whatever it was. LOL.

How Thais need Mayo and ketchup on Pizza is strange. Ketchup goes on almost all western origin foods somehow, including steak, chicken, grilled pork, fish, potatoes, bread, you name it, as ET says. Yesterday a Chicken Kebab was ordered on my behalf. I remembered to ask for no Mayo so what happened, mushy from a sweet very slightly chili tomato sauce. Just did not go with the chicken in my view, and I hate sweet sauces on savoury food anyway. A squeeze of lime juice (no sugar) would work for me. Normal on Kebab OS.

[QUOTE=Allover;2241883]

Syzgies I was surprised you used the term "no way Jose" in a recent post. That is American slang few non-Americans would understand.[/QUOTE]Don't be silly, this rhyming slang has a totally obvious meaning, I could have written just "no way" only, and must have appeared in many American movies and TV shows (since I know it well). Other rhyming slang does not always have an obvious meaning. I would be very surprised if this one was not totally understandable.

You can't say "a gnarly beautiful girl", right? So I am sceptical about "extremely" being correct.
I did read just now that Gnarly should mean "very difficult" in North America.
Maybe a "gnarly problem" where other countries would say a "knotty problem"

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241907]Fired egg and bacon is common place through the world for "Burger with the lot". However I also always remember now to request no Mayo on everything. Nothing worse than a soggy burger. In Soi 11 was once given salad bowl with shredded salad swimming in an immense lake of Mayo and I don't use normal Mayo at all. Was hard to explain to them that Mayo should be served separate so we can ignore it, and I wanted to eat my salad with my main course steak or whatever it was. LOL.

How Thais need Mayo and ketchup on Pizza is strange. Ketchup goes on almost all western origin foods somehow, including steak, chicken, grilled pork, fish, potatoes, bread, you name it, as ET says. Yesterday a Chicken Kebab was ordered on my behalf. I remembered to ask for no Mayo so what happened, mushy from a sweet very slightly chili tomato sauce. Just did not go with the chicken in my view, and I hate sweet sauces on savoury food anyway. A squeeze of lime juice (no sugar) would work for me. Normal on Kebab OS.[/QUOTE]Well, not really. A fried egg is not common on a hamburger in the US.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2241888]Certainly you must have seen Fast Times at Ridgemont High with Phoebe Cates?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSOESfsNd4w[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovqke9RiMXs[/URL][/QUOTE]Nope. Sounds like a girly movie. I vaguely remember seeing Phoebe Cates showering nude under a waterfall or something similar in a clip from some movie. Not Blue Lagoon, but similar. Probably did not actually watch any of her movies, or forgot which one. She might not have been slender enough for my taste. LOL

I remember an early computer game called "Adventure", possibly before your generation, which included going through a maze of "twisty Gnarly passages" (if remember right).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241911]Nope. Sounds like a girly movie. I vaguely remember seeing Phoebe Cates showering nude under a waterfall or something similar in a clip from some movie. Not Blue Lagoon, but similar. Probably did not actually watch any of her movies, or forgot which one. She might not have been slender enough for my taste. LOL

I remember an early computer game called "Adventure", possibly before your generation, which included going through a maze of "twisty Gnarly passages" (if remember right).[/QUOTE]There is a movie called GNAR. Google "GNAR McConkey".

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2241909]Well, not really. A fried egg is not common on a hamburger in the US.[/QUOTE]I am not in US much and would have no clue where to get a decent burger there.

It is in my experience (my country at least and available Thailand) if ask for "the lot" or specifically requested it, from "Greasy Joe's" (I invented this name) hamburger shop, well before Maccas and Burger King and all that shit ever arrived. If I ask for the lot I expect it, but have to make sure they omit pineapple and beetroot and Mayo. Mayo is probably not traditional in my country and it makes such a sloppy mess. I prefer no butter for same reason. Cheese, salad, and cooked onions was always very important back home. With arrival of Maccas, we first saw burgers with raw onions, and pickles on them in my country. Maccas was just too horrible to bear, and most of the other chains similar but not much better.

In some countries, one of the most annoying things is they have no pepper to put on your burger, almost mandatory for me. Apparently German people as example, don't use pepper. @Corner bar (soi 23 and cowboy) does have pepper available, also does include egg and bacon in a burger "with the lot" but in Thailand I always had to ask for my onions to be fried. They know how I have my burger very well, so don't have to tell them anything any more. Just raise the finger to order one. Mayo and ketchup (or BBQ sauce or chili sauce) available but optional. You get to add to your own taste from a squeeze bottle.

In the context I used Gnarly, it means horrible or FUBAR. It can also mean fabulous, depending on the context, viz: Did ya see the traffic on Rama IV? Damn it was gnarly! As oppose to: Wow, did you see the ass on #237. Gnarly! Give me a spoon and a saltshaker.

Eggs on burgers are common on the menu in the US in non fast food joints. Give me a bacon cheeseburger with Egg, lettuce, Tomato, mayo and ketchup, hold the onion and pickle. That's a gnarly burger! Unless its underdone and ya get the trots from it, that is totally gnarly.

Its Valley Speak. Gag me with a spoon, homey.

So I was thinking about my experience with Dollar, who is otherwise a talented lover, a sweet, intelligent and articulate woman. Then I thought about my evening with a lady I picked up at Thermae 2 nights later, Nina. Walking around the packed bar she gave me the brightest smile. She was sitting in one of the booths, not standing like the others, drinking a bottle of beer. We talked quite a bit, she's 34, a slender tattooed pixie, her hair in long braids. I'the always wanted to have sex with a woman shorter than 5' tall and she fit the bill perfectly. Nina wanted another beer. So I was thinking this might be her way of dealing with sex with strangers for extra cash, she's a secretary during the day. Told me I reminded her of Bruce Willis, and that she only hooks up with guys she thinks look trustworthy. Then, as we are walking to my hotel she has me buy her another beer at a 7-11. OK, no problem, she's fun and doesn't look "wasted. " Funny, during our session I start giving her oral and she says "you Americans" like maybe the Asian guys don't go there much, I don't know. Anyway, she was small and tight, "you big for me" even though I'm just average size, but I enjoyed filling her up, immensely. After the clothes were back on she did a prayer ritual. Any of you guys ever experience something like that with a Thai woman right after or right before sex? I guess my main point of this post would be, after years of drinking to deal with freelancing (guilt or nervousness?) one might develop alcoholism? Dunno.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241916]I am not in US much and would have no clue where to get a decent burger there.

It is in my experience (my country at least and available Thailand) if ask for "the lot" or specifically requested it, from "Greasy Joe's" (I invented this name) hamburger shop, well before Maccas and Burger King and all that shit ever arrived. If I ask for the lot I expect it, but have to make sure they omit pineapple and beetroot and Mayo. Mayo is probably not traditional in my country and it makes such a sloppy mess. I prefer no butter for same reason. Cheese, salad, and cooked onions was always very important back home. With arrival of Maccas, we first saw burgers with raw onions, and pickles on them in my country. Maccas was just too horrible to bear, and most of the other chains similar but not much better.

In some countries, one of the most annoying things is they have no pepper to put on your burger, almost mandatory for me. Apparently German people as example, don't use pepper. @Corner bar (soi 23 and cowboy) does have pepper available, also does include egg and bacon in a burger "with the lot" but in Thailand I always had to ask for my onions to be fried. They know how I have my burger very well, so don't have to tell them anything any more. Just raise the finger to order one. Mayo and ketchup (or BBQ sauce or chili sauce) available but optional. You get to add to your own taste from a squeeze bottle.[/QUOTE]One of the all time favorites in Hawaii is the Loco Moco. A large scoop of rice topped with a hamburger patty with an egg on top and covered with thick brown gravy. A cardiac arrest in the making. Hawaii is also the number consumers of SPAM. If for some reason you do not know what SPAM is, google it. I have never ever eaten it and I never want to, but it is historical.

RL.

[QUOTE=TigressWanted;2241636]Dollar is in her early 40's, has natural C cup breasts, gave passionate BBBJs and lots of DFK. The next day I get a text message from her, "I miss you. " I'm thinking, cynically, she's having a slow day. But I walk to where she's at on Soi 11.

Thought I would be a gentleman and walk her back to my hotel. Get there, she's at a bar, I can't remember the name, and she's completely inebriated. Totally smashed. Can hardly stand up. Great, she's an alcoholic. Just gross. Tried to explain to her why I divorced someone similar and she just turned around and wobbled her way out the door. [/QUOTE]Very sorry to hear that. She wasn't drunk when I caught her, or rather she caught me, but she was certainly uninhibited. She sidled up to me at the bar at Biergarten and in the first minute or so told me that she wanted to drink my sperm, but she wadn't wobbly. Very aggressive, very affectionate, and she can suck the chrome off a trailer hitch. She wears glasses for distance vision and looks cute in them. 1. 5 plus a Chang at the Biergarten and a Subway sandwich on the way to my hotel. I think she told me she's 43, never married, no babies, not in touch with her family any more. May be somewhat emotionally unstable, but I'm saying that based on her over-the-top sexual aggressiveness.

And she was very clear about her name. In fact I used a mix of dollars and baht to pay her.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;2242146]
And she was very clear about her name. In fact I used a mix of dollars and baht to pay her.[/QUOTE]Did she spell it for you? LOL okay Maybe right, probably a joke type working name.

Strangely Thais do pick English words for names, even when they can't pronounce it. E. g. "Ice" is a common one.

Thai word for Dollar is "Don" for the sound. E. g. 20 dollars is "yee-sip don".

English Pounds becomes "Bporn" in Thai. Unrecognisable. Cents becomes "sen" just recognisable. Laos money is Kip ("Geep".

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2242083]One of the all time favorites in Hawaii is the Loco Moco. A large scoop of rice topped with a hamburger patty with an egg on top and covered with thick brown gravy. A cardiac arrest in the making. Hawaii is also the number consumers of SPAM. If for some reason you do not know what SPAM is, google it. I have never ever eaten it and I never want to, but it is historical.

RL.[/QUOTE]Okay Not quite sure why rice needs to added. LOL Instead of a bun. I would eat it and leave the rice most likely.

As a child I was given SPAM at a camp. I believe the kids put tomamto sauce on it (Ketchup). Was a rude shock, being used to "proper" ham. Wasn't nice. LOL Probably never touched it again. Thais do eat a lot of junky processed factory "meats" here, the balls "Luuk chin" they put in soup noodles for example, or BBQ on a stick. "Crab stick" or "seafood stick" heavily used, and many Thais prefer that over real sushi or sashimi at Fuji restaurant. LOL I don't touch this artificial stuff. No clue what chemicals are in it.

It is likely that chemicals in foods are killing us all very slowly, heart disease, cancers, dementia, etc. I try to avoid it, since we don't really know enough about the long term effects of chemicals, and highly processed foods. This means I have to gradually migrate myself to drink a lot more plain water, and use farm produce direct. Still a coffee addict.

Have you ever tried "Saai gork Issan" (Issan grilled sausage) sold on the roadside? I took one bite and spat it out. Close examination showed it contained rice, fat, grissle, spices, and very little meat to be found, so clearly only the trimmed off stuff normally discarded. I thoroughly recommend readers not to eat this, or even try if expecting a real sausage. The quality level is about a zero for me. Miles below Spam quality I am afraid.

[QUOTE=TigressWanted;2242066]After the clothes were back on she did a prayer ritual. Any of you guys ever experience something like that with a Thai woman right after or right before sex? I guess my main point of this post would be, after years of drinking to deal with freelancing (guilt or nervousness?) one might develop alcoholism? Dunno.[/QUOTE]Strangely in Bangkok my GF would go through prayer ritual every night before lying down to sleep. Now it seems to have been dispensed with. I had forgotten about it. Not sure why. Certainly never saw this after sex (nor before) unless intending to sleep.

My GF now goes through two or 3 bottles of beer a day. I would prefer her to limit to one. Putting on weight. I did not fear alcoholism so much. I drink much less than her, many days no alcohol.

Some bargirls are blown away blind drunk on nightly basis. This is a worry, but two or three leg openers, is not really that dangerous I think. Just depends if girl knows when to stop, and how habitual becomes drinking far too much.

Soi 23 between 2am and 3am is a sad sight for drunk girls, and pimps coming to pick them up.

1) Arriving at 10:20 pm on Nov. 19 on a Asiana flight in biz class. Is immigration usually bad at that time of night? Is there just 1 immigration line or will my biz class ticket get me in a faster one?

2) Any place in BKK to get an American style Thanksgiving meal on Nov. 22 and / or watch NFL football?

[QUOTE=TigressWanted;2242066] After the clothes were back on she did a prayer ritual. Any of you guys ever experience something like that with a Thai woman right after or right before sex?[/QUOTE]I've had that happen a bunch of times when they spent the night. I've also had girls who wai'd me before blowing me.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2242259]Did she spell it for you? LOL okay Maybe right, probably a joke type working name.[/QUOTE]Could be a joke, could be real. About ten years ago I met a girl in Pattaya who's nick name was Stamp. Her father was working at a post office when she was born. I'm not kidding you.

Syzygies,

I eat all the stuff that scares you. Spam, Loco Moco (my fav and I'm looking for it in town, I think there is a place in Ari that serves it), Isaan Sausage, Blood Tofu. I temper my disgusting habits with lots of fruits and veggies, avoid alcohol, don't smoke ciggies any more and no weed here. I'm 63 and I hope I die on top of a 20 something with a belly full of Prime Rib. Much nice than being in a nursing home playing handball with my own shit.

Not sure on the arrival lanes.

For thanksgiving dinner check the 5 Star international hotels, St regis ETC. They usually have something of that sort. For football because of the time change not sure where it will be a good place to watch it

[QUOTE=Shemp;2242309]1) Arriving at 10:20 pm on Nov. 19 on a Asiana flight in biz class. Is immigration usually bad at that time of night? Is there just 1 immigration line or will my biz class ticket get me in a faster one?

2) Any place in BKK to get an American style Thanksgiving meal on Nov. 22 and / or watch NFL football?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2242386]Could be a joke, could be real. About ten years ago I met a girl in Pattaya who's nick name was Stamp. Her father was working at a post office when she was born. I'm not kidding you.[/QUOTE]I have come across "Putter" and "Driver", whose father was a keen golfer.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2242309]1) Arriving at 10:20 pm on Nov. 19 on a Asiana flight in biz class. Is immigration usually bad at that time of night? Is there just 1 immigration line or will my biz class ticket get me in a faster one?

2) Any place in BKK to get an American style Thanksgiving meal on Nov. 22 and / or watch NFL football?[/QUOTE]One tip that a well informed member gave me a while ago is that if you are on a time sensitive mission and customs clearance times are a factor, then head to the airports webpage. There you will find a list of arrivals for the airport at a given date / time. If you find that there are more than usual number of arrivals at your particular times, then you can expect delays at immigration.

Your business class ticket "might" get you through immigration quicker, but only if your airline has negotiated an express processing type of deal with the airport. If you are traveling business class on a budget airline an express deal is not likely to be in place. I always fly business class on major non budget airlines and I am usually given an express immigration pass at the point of departure. As I won't fly BC (or any other class for that matter) on low budget airlines I can't enlighten you much, but I suspect you will be disappointed.

2) Any place in BKK to get an American style Thanksgiving meal on Nov. 22 and / or watch NFL football?

The football games will be on Friday. The Thursday 11:30 am game will start at 12:30 am Friday. The Thursday 3:30 pm game will start at 4:30 am on Friday. The Thursday 7:20 pm game will start at 8:20 am on Friday.

The only place I can think of for watching the 8:20 am game is The Game. Breakfast is pretty good there.

I intend to enjoy takeout thighs and breast (45-48 kgs) in my hotel room, flatscreen TV and feet up or on the bed. We all give thanks in our own way on this most special, secular holiday LOL.

[QUOTE=HornDog3;2242677]2) Any place in BKK to get an American style Thanksgiving meal on Nov. 22 and / or watch NFL football?

The football games will be on Friday. The Thursday 11:30 am game will start at 12:30 am Friday. The Thursday 3:30 pm game will start at 4:30 am on Friday. The Thursday 7:20 pm game will start at 8:20 am on Friday.

The only place I can think of for watching the 8:20 am game is The Game. Breakfast is pretty good there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Shemp;2242309]

2) Any place in BKK to get an American style Thanksgiving meal on Nov. 22 and / or watch NFL football?[/QUOTE]Bourbon Street on Sukhumvit Soi 63 about a 10 minute walk from Ekkamai bts station is one of the best for a Thanksgiving meal. They have flatscreen TVs but not sure if they will be open during game time. The Tavern on Soi 4/Soi Nana, past Hillary 2 and across from Hillary 1 usually has a game and meal deal going for Thanksgiving, although they usually miss some critical ingredient like cranberry sauce or yams. LOL. Kiwi Pub on Soi 8 will likely have something going on for the Thanksgiving meal and watching NFL football.

Can anyone recommend any bars / clubs / gogos where you can walk in and enjoy FS right there at the bar?

[QUOTE=Atom72;2242729]Can anyone recommend any bars / clubs / gogos where you can walk in and enjoy FS right there at the bar?[/QUOTE]Magic Table if:

You believe recent reports and.

You don't care about looks.

Personally I have never seen it there even years ago.

[QUOTE=Atom72;2242729]Can anyone recommend any bars / clubs / gogos where you can walk in and enjoy FS right there at the bar?[/QUOTE]Star of Light in Soi Patpong 2 is one of them. I'd be interested to find out about others.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2242793]Star of Light in Soi Patpong 2 is one of them. I'd be interested to find out about others.[/QUOTE]There are some in Soi Cowboy like Djungle Jim with short time rooms upstairs.

Some members seem to have taken an interest in Jabkasai. I had my third session recently and decided been there done that enough. I enjoyed the novelty / curiosity first couple of times but the lack of sensuality got to me last time. The orgasm was still there but the intensity was gone. I would love to hear about other member's experience.

Anyway moving on I now have two I think they are called giks. One works at Boots the other I'm still not sure exactly what she does. I give them both 10,000 a month and see them each four five times a month. They are totally different, the girl from Boots is shy the other is a total mad hatter. The sex with the mad hatter is amazing maybe because we are usually both pissed from a night out when we get at it. She seems open and tells me she has other sponsors who visit Thailand a few times a year. I like being with her but not as much as I do the other girl. She drinks very little, is introverted in a polite way but she is so so sweet. She is intelligent loves movies and music as I do and I think I'm falling for her. A big age difference, Scary!

I am relatively new here and confess I am no expert on Asian values but I am beginning to feel there are some marked differences with the West. The one I am most interested in at the moment because of my involvement with the girl from Boots is what love means here. I am slowly realizing it is more about family, social status and security and emotional love plays a relatively minor part in women's choices. A girl will measure how a man feels about her by how much he provides for her and how much security he can offer her. Is this the way it is, perhaps some more informed than I could offer some guidance. Life is getting a little more complicated.

Last year at the Landmark Bangkok, 4/5 star hotel just around the corner from Nana Plaza, their level 1 restaurant, the Atrium, had this posted on their Facebook page:

Atrium international buffet.

On this special day, our popular international buffet dinner features tasty Roasted turkey with stuffing, along with all kinds of seafood and a fabulous selection of desserts.

Lunch only Baht 1,600 net per person.

Dinner only Baht 2,800 net per person.

I assume they'll do it again this year, great food and ambience there.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2242793]Star of Light in Soi Patpong 2 is one of them. I'd be interested to find out about others.[/QUOTE]Have you tried recently? I am not sure they still do it. New regime crackdown and all, places get a little scared of being raided at the wrong moment. Maybe I was there at wrong time of day. I have not seen full sex in a bar in recent years, maybe not since I did it myself in SOL. Those that have seen this year, please respond.

Naturally I don't count in the toilets, in a special room like at Kangaroo, or upstairs in a closed room. We are talking public in view of those drinking at the bar in good lighting, right?

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2240595]Subway makes an adequate sandwich and McDonalds is. Well McDonalds. Other than that, there are plenty of places in that area that cater to Westerners and are adequate. A place called the Kiwi comes to mind. Hooters is terrible.
[/QUOTE]Bradmans on Soi 23 does good western food. I like their Philly cheesesteak.

[QUOTE=Laosman;2242630]I have come across "Putter" and "Driver", whose father was a keen golfer.[/QUOTE]I hope were boys names, not very feminine. LOL Golf seems to be a common name. I do know a Thai boy called "Volks" after "Volkswagon" but pronounced closer to Fork or Folk for the Thais. Fortunately sounds a little different to Fuck. Fak (sounds exactly like Fuck) is a very respectable vegetable in Thai, but hopefully no one ever gets that for a name.

In old days Moo meaning pig was quite common but never seem to find it any more. I knew two girls called Moo, one with big tits, good body, and the other excessively skinny. LOL Some girls tried to set me up with the skinny Moo, however she wasn't at all sexy, so no interest. The other Moo was very doable, in fact the very first Thai girl I really had the hots for, not even in Thailand.

I don't think any Thai will be called Jim, because with rising tone that means "Pussy". It is just possible though. LOL "Hoi" also means pussy so not used as a name.

Extra bonus trivia worth knowing. If someone is called "Khwaay" by a Thai literally meaning buffalo, it does not mean they are fat, but means they are almost brainless. If called "Khuay" that is effectively calling you a "prick" in foul language.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2241909]Well, not really. A fried egg is not common on a hamburger in the US.[/QUOTE]Very common on a burger in Australia, so is bacon.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241911]Nope. Sounds like a girly movie.[/QUOTE]Definitely not a chick flick. Great movie.

[QUOTE=Laosman;2242630]I have come across "Putter" and "Driver", whose father was a keen golfer.[/QUOTE]You know if a Thai girl doesn't like her nickname, given as a child, she just changes it, to something she likes. I have to assume the girl chose "Dollar" as a bit of a joke for working purposes, can't see how the parents would choose it, and even then why would she retain it.

My own GF changed her nickname, even was innocuous, yet villagers still call her by her childhood nickname which is really far too common "Noi". Her auntie is also called Noi and plenty of other Nois. I have never used it because she chose something else long ago.

Still Thai nick names can always be mysterious, especially hookers working names are the strangest.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2242875]Very common on a burger in Australia, so is bacon.[/QUOTE]Bacon in the US as well. Cooked crispy. In Thailand I always have to emphasize "grop grop. " They just don't want to cook it crispy.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2242309]1) Arriving at 10:20 pm on Nov. 19 on a Asiana flight in biz class. Is immigration usually bad at that time of night? Is there just 1 immigration line or will my biz class ticket get me in a faster one?

2) Any place in BKK to get an American style Thanksgiving meal on Nov. 22 and / or watch NFL football?[/QUOTE]Asiana Air is not a low budget airlines. They should give you a fast pass which you will use after you pass the entrance to immigration and you will see the clearly marked door to Fast Pass. I always fly BC with China Airlines and they always give a pass. After you clear Immigration, you will see the conveyor board that will advise you which conveyor you bags are on. BC bags will come up first and you will be out of there in no time.

Thanks for asking about Thanksgiving dinner. I will also be in Bkk during the holidays. Information from the seniors was very helpful.

RL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2242865]Have you tried recently? I am not sure they still do it. New regime crackdown and all, places get a little scared of being raided at the wrong moment. Maybe I was there at wrong time of day. I have not seen full sex in a bar in recent years, maybe not since I did it myself in SOL. Those that have seen this year, please respond.

Naturally I don't count in the toilets, in a special room like at Kangaroo, or upstairs in a closed room. We are talking public in view of those drinking at the bar in good lighting, right?[/QUOTE]Yes Syzygies. I was hoping there may be stories of grabbing a seat in a dark corner of a bar (or at the bar if if's dark enough) or the back row of a gogo and during the fun and if your girl is up for it, slyly slipping it in as she's grinding on your lap.

I stayed on the west side of the river last time near Phra Pin Klao Bridge. There were two places that had fish bowls with huge parking lots. The staff were very welcoming but I didn't know the deal. Has anyone ever gone to these places? There were no farangs anywhere the whole time I stayed out there. Are these brothels or just massage places? The women were dressed provocatively but I didn't want to assume. Some info would be great. I like to try new things.

[QUOTE=Atom72;2243056]Yes Syzygies. I was hoping there may be stories of grabbing a seat in a dark corner of a bar (or at the bar if if's dark enough) or the back row of a gogo and during the fun and if your girl is up for it, slyly slipping it in as she's grinding on your lap.[/QUOTE]Afterskool still have their naughty corner or you can get a BJ on the benches as ell. In the past of see girls on guys laps grinding away but couldn't tell if they were doing the deed. I assume so, given the nature of Afterskool.

[QUOTE=AmPervert;2243089]I stayed on the west side of the river last time near Phra Pin Klao Bridge. There were two places that had fish bowls with huge parking lots. The staff were very welcoming but I didn't know the deal. Has anyone ever gone to these places? There were no farangs anywhere the whole time I stayed out there. Are these brothels or just massage places? The women were dressed provocatively but I didn't want to assume. Some info would be great. I like to try new things.[/QUOTE]If you let me know where, I will do intelligence for you. I live on that side of the river.

Anybody want to recommend a good place in sukhumvit by terminal 21/ asok train stop? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2243192]Afterskool still have their naughty corner or you can get a BJ on the benches as ell. In the past of see girls on guys laps grinding away but couldn't tell if they were doing the deed. I assume so, given the nature of Afterskool.[/QUOTE]You can't assume so if they had clothes on. If you can't see dick going into pussy, I think it is a big assumption. Plenty of lap dances in Crazy House even with naked girls but not actual public fucking.

I once went to Afterskool (I think it was called) in Cowboy and was pretty disappointed. Just BJ in the partially obscured area, girl not undressed. I am not that into being passive. Was no where near to my experiences previously in Annies Rose (many years back), Kangaroo, SOL, and Toy Bar also quite a few years ago.

Early days of Patpong bars, girls would grab your hand, shove it down their knickers, and be happy for you to finger them. They were very raunchy in order to retain the customer and get drinks etc. , and maybe go for a fuck. Lick out the pussy as well as BBBJ was also on. SOL might have been only place where I got full fucking in the bar, but girl expected me to finish quick, so that was a letdown. I am not that into 10 minute quickies.

I think you need to be able to seriously molest girls to be any real fun. In old days did not cost you that much, or all services may have been free if kept buying the drinks.

Still would like to hear from any guy that fucked the girl in the public bar recently.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2243268]Early days of Patpong bars, girls would grab your hand, shove it down their knickers, and be happy for you to finger them. [/QUOTE]This is something I don't understand. I get zero pleasure sticking my finger in a girl's pussy and getting my finger dirty. I don't mind rubbing their pussy and clit, but I would not stick my finger inside them in the bar. I would also not take a girl home who would allow that. All the guys walking around with dirty hands and they allow those guys to shove those dirty hands inside their pussy? No thanks.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2242899]You know if a Thai girl doesn't like her nickname, given as a child, she just changes it, to something she likes. I have to assume the girl chose "Dollar" as a bit of a joke for working purposes..
.[/QUOTE]It's her superhero handle, like Rogue or Storm. Reflects her powers.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;2243293]It's her superhero handle, like Rogue or Storm. Reflects her powers.[/QUOTE]If I lived in Bangkok Dollar would be one of my regulars as long as she was relatively sober. Our afternoon of sex was followed up with a lunch date at Indulge (great fusion food, fancy presentations, reasonable prices, near Soi Cowboy). She is an articulate and warm companion, worthy of an escort. After my second go round in Bangkok I realize now how much chemistry plays a role in average vs good vs great sex. The better the chemistry the more the women tend to give, the more responsive they are, the more extraordinary and memorable the session. Stating the obvious, right? My best sessions were with women who had above average English skills.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2243280]This is something I don't understand. I get zero pleasure sticking my finger in a girl's pussy and getting my finger dirty. I don't mind rubbing their pussy and clit, but I would not stick my finger inside them in the bar. I would also not take a girl home who would allow that. All the guys walking around with dirty hands and they allow those guys to shove those dirty hands inside their pussy? No thanks.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree. I don't like girls who are finger puppets to every yahoo out there either. I also don't see the thrill of fingering a girl but, like Smoothy, will rub their pussy.

There was a girl at Windmill when I first started coming to Thailand who was young, cute, super perky tits, and a great personality. Almost perfect for me but I never barfined her because she was one of the girls who let guys in the bar do anything and I mean anything to her. I did like her enough to treat her to a couple of nice dinners on her days off but she was a bit too skanky even for me.

[QUOTE=JeraldoRivera;2243264]Anybody want to recommend a good place in sukhumvit by terminal 21/ asok train stop? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

Some of the oiiies around Phrom Phong BTS have a fish bowl like set up. I consider Thermae to be a big open fish bowl. Girls are standing around the perimeter of the bar. Just point and shoot in a ST room upstairs.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2243470]Absolutely agree. I don't like girls who are finger puppets to every yahoo out there either. I also don't see the thrill of fingering a girl but, like Smoothy, will rub their pussy.

There was a girl at Windmill when I first started coming to Thailand who was young, cute, super perky tits, and a great personality. Almost perfect for me but I never barfined her because she was one of the girls who let guys in the bar do anything and I mean anything to her. I did like her enough to treat her to a couple of nice dinners on her days off but she was a bit too skanky even for me..[/QUOTE]Thanks! I had not heard of thermae before but its right by my hotel so I hope to learn all about it! How much should I expect to pay for a 30 min fukey sukey? I regret not staying over at phrom phong bts as my hyper vigilante partner will be watching me like a hawk and its going to be hard to explain extended disappearances.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2243280]This is something I don't understand. I get zero pleasure sticking my finger in a girl's pussy and getting my finger dirty. I don't mind rubbing their pussy and clit, but I would not stick my finger inside them in the bar. I would also not take a girl home who would allow that. All the guys walking around with dirty hands and they allow those guys to shove those dirty hands inside their pussy? No thanks.[/QUOTE]Do you prefer fingering assholes? LOL If you think her pussy is so dirty, you won't want to fuck her as well?

That was 25 years ago. Patong girls back then could be extremely slutty. We don't see this so much anymore. Although fingering pussy as always been a major aspect of play in BJ bars over the years. My very first visit to Annies Rose bar in Pat Pong (25+ years ago) was greeted with seeing a customer sitting at the bar with his fingers up a naked girl's snatch. She sat on another barstool facing him and leaning back to let him go for it. She wasn't that attractive to me, older and over weight, but she had to give customers what they wanted to make money. Girls had much less restrictions in those days. Not sure if he was going to fuck her too. I think they had a little room for fucking. I think I recall fucking multiple girls in the back room concurrently, but not the fat one. I recall the bar-tendie girl Tukata was best looking but she seemed to be not available for a fuck. Strange I still remember the name. A visit to Kangaroo bar at lunch time was great. You would be swamped by several girls and could pull their clothes off and do pretty much whatever you liked. They would be trying to blow you. Some were shy and wanted to go to back room for fucking though. Even fucked the bar tender girl there. There were some Thai boys hanging around those bars. That may have caused some girls to be a little bit shy.

It does me make me horny fingering a girl. Most of my regular girls allow it, of course we usually showered and got clean right before sex. It should be less risky that BBFS with a girl, however I did pay the penalty once when rubbed my eye before washing and caught Chlamydia in one eye from a girl working in J One Soapy. The doctors (including eye specialist) in home country had little clue it was Chlamydia at first until I finally suspected it myself and got a test done. Once known, easily fixed with Azithromycin or Gentamycin. Apart from that, never found any additional risks from fingering. Finger is important to detect the sponge obstructions in a girl's pussy that make her far too difficult to get proper penetration (assuming dick is more than 4 inches or so) LOL.

Each to there own but I like to put the sensory parts of me, in a pussy, and no condoms does feel better if I think the girl is not too risky. I don't like to do much with the sluttiest girls that will allow anything anymore. As you ay know, my girl choices at Crazy House were generally not the most raunchy girls by any stretch of the imagination. I leave the raunchy ones for you.

These days I tend to go for classy girls, and use condoms with most girls. In old days I did a lot things with raunchy girls. Now I have migrated from raunchy to model looks preferred. I have not fucked in the public bar for at least 10 years at a guess. Probably not fingered a girl in a bar for many years as well, allow light touching of naked girls is easy.

Crazy House customers have been known to stick fingers in a girl's pussy I believe. Some raunchy girls may allow it, but maybe not many.

Ha ha. That Banana Boi wants to take a girl too skanky, to dinner seems strange. I would only want a classy girl who makes really great conversation as a dinner only girl. I do know the odd girl I would take to dinner if I am keen to try the restaurant not alone, but definitely not girls too raunchy.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2243280]This is something I don't understand. I get zero pleasure sticking my finger in a girl's pussy and getting my finger dirty. I don't mind rubbing their pussy and clit, but I would not stick my finger inside them in the bar. I would also not take a girl home who would allow that. All the guys walking around with dirty hands and they allow those guys to shove those dirty hands inside their pussy? No thanks.[/QUOTE]I'm with you 100% on this as well.

[QUOTE=TigressWanted;2243351]The better the chemistry the more the women tend to give, the more responsive they are, the more extraordinary and memorable the session. Stating the obvious, right? My best sessions were with women who had above average English skills.[/QUOTE]Yes normally chemistry matters. I had great fun with Pin from Boss, where ET managed to experience a clash. Girl could be in a bad mood for no reason known to us of course. Customers looking only for Specific services and not for GFE may not require any chemistry however. Just lie back and get blown so as long as she has the technique and skills, chemistry could be irrelevant.

Yet I have absolutely stupendous sex with girls when level of a common language was zero. I fondly remember slim Momo from Cuba as one of my best girls yet she spoke basically only Spanish, maybe a few words of German and no English. I had pretty much zero Spanish. Despite no real talking, I don't think the chemistry was a problem at all. Sometimes we just click from actions alone. Give each other a good time.

When I first came to Thailand, majority of my girls and very low to zero English, and my Thai was very weak (only been learning a few months). No big problem really. Chemistry was not affected so badly. Most selected Thai girls were great in bed. With all night bookings I would gradually pick up some Thai from the girls, as had to listen to it, at high speed and baffling. Phonetic Thai Dictionary got used a lot. At that time I only just started to learn Thai script. I did receive letters written in Thai in those days, so that forced me to learn Thai script. We did not have messaging apps and Thai girls did not have access to computers at all in early 1990s. No ISG forum to my knowledge.

I guess some guys see conversation as a much more integral thing. For me, I can separate sex and conversation to be two totally different things. Not much conversation occurring during sex for me. It would be distracting. Mouth should be otherwise busy. What is there to talk about. You just do things and gauge the girl's reaction to it. i.e. does she like it or not? Hand signals work fine without speaking.

The assumption here is you don't need to be telling the girl a lot of things to do or giving orders. Just being happy to experience what she chooses to do. I am a go with the flow type. I don't make advanced conversations giving specs of all things that must occur. I just like to know what type of guys the girl likes.

Thanks Z9, very helpful info for out in the exurbs neighborhood. Alice Spa looks good but they only communicate in Thai. I'm trying to find the Line for Geisha, if you have it PM me.

[QUOTE=Zeus9;2101660]So if you google "kapoo club web board", you will find the forum that breaks all the Kapoo places down by different neighborhoods around Bangkok. Or here is the link [URL]http://www.kapooclubwebboard.net/forum/index.php[/URL].

You will have to google translate every page on your computer. Then if you click on any of the individual shops listed you will be in their forum with all of their details, location, advertised specials, pics and names of girls, etc. Some of the shops will advertise "unlimited water" in the details for the duration of session chosen. Those are your multi-pop places. I live on Chaengwattanna Rd. And frequent those Kapoo clubs in that area. Sorry, I don't have many personal experiences around the more central areas of Bangkok. Looking at the web board I can see Kapoo places all over town. But almost all of the Kapoo clubs in my area are multi-shot places. Pricing ranges from 1000 to 1800 for 90 min. So maybe a stopover after a trip to immigration is due so some of the ISG readers, hehehe! I can personally recommend Geisha, Aiei spa, and Zapa. All 3 of those are multi-shot places with Geisha in Pakkret being my favorite.

Just google Ten Sauna Bangkok and that should work. But here is the link to their facebook profile [URL]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ten-%E0%B8%8B%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A7%E0%B9%8C%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%B2/164501003592983.[/URL].

The sauna side is for men only. They provide everything including lockers, shorts, towels, free tea, free fruit snacks, and the rest of the facilities for around 200 baht. The fishbowl is visible from the front desk. The girls are average, but you only pay for the massage (average oil massage prices), and the extra's will be paid to the girl. So you will have to negotiate that in the room. But the standard 500 HJ, 1000 BJ, 1500 for everything applies here also. I enjoy the sauna more than anything else, but it's nice to have to the option for action so easy if you feel the urge.

I used to have a better place where it was just a sauna facility as described above, attached to a soapy MP that catered more to locals (pale skinned expensive stunners), but it closed this year. But Ten Sauna is still the same sort of set up. Everyone seems to be welcome with no hesitation.

I hope my info gives some new Bangkok options for other people. I've tried most of the P4 P options around town based on info from ISG, but I'm always hunting for more options just because I enjoy the hunt. I also live in an area that caters only to the locals where P4 P in concerned. So it's kind of fun and exciting to see what doors I end up walking through. I haven't been turned away anywhere.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chacal60;2243629]Thanks Z9, very helpful info for out in the exurbs neighborhood. Alice Spa looks good but they only communicate in Thai. I'm trying to find the Line for Geisha, if you have it PM me.[/QUOTE]Kapoos clubs and speaking other languages sounds difficult. I never heard of exurbs before (I'm not American) , but seems to mean beyond the suburbs, Kapoo clubs will be in the suburbs. I live in Exurbs. Well beyond suburbs. No other houses close. Only farms. Almost no cars.

What do you mean by the line for Geisha?
Geisha (ห้าแยกปากเกร็ด) (ผู้ดูแล: ♥เกอิชา ห้าแยกปากเกร็ด omitted phone number แตกไม่อั้น ถอดหมด 1499♥) Geisha is located at 5 way intersection Pak Kret. Reception Geicha ..... unlimited pops, completely undressed.

[url]https://goo.gl/maps/bEoNadfaCzK2[/url]

Is this your area? What else are you looking for? You can get the phone number yourself. I omitted it from above message line due to forum rules.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2243682]Kapoos clubs and speaking other languages sounds difficult. I never heard of exurbs before (I'm not American) , but seems to mean beyond the suburbs, Kapoo clubs will be in the suburbs. I live in Exurbs. Well beyond suburbs. No other houses close. Only farms. Almost no cars.

What do you mean by the line for Geisha?

Geisha is located at 5 way intersection Pak Kret. Reception Geicha 0837049088 unlimited pops, completely undressed.

[url]https://goo.gl/maps/bEoNadfaCzK2[/url]

Is this your area? What else are you looking for?[/QUOTE]Maybe this helps even more:

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/3arqSyATXXE2[/URL]

Now you know exactly where and have the phone number. If phoning them, you might need a Thai speaker to help. LOL

If you plan to go, just keep in mind most of these clubs do not provide full service, and ladies may or may not be naked when they are in the room with you.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2243718]If you plan to go, just keep in mind most of these clubs do not provide full service, and ladies may or may not be naked when they are in the room with you.[/QUOTE]The Geisha advert says "Thort Mot" which means take everything off to be completely naked. So some are prepared to make it clear. This of course only suggests full sex will be possible.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2243247]If you let me know where, I will do intelligence for you. I live on that side of the river.[/QUOTE]Valentine Massage might have been one of the places. They are close to each other.

[QUOTE=JeraldoRivera;2243264]Anybody want to recommend a good place in sukhumvit by terminal 21/ asok train stop? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I stay near there. I start everyday with a BJ at Som's Heaven before site seeing. They open after lunch I think. If you are too early, you have to enter through the back alley which isn't a problem.

I know a few ST hotels in Sukhumvit, where I have pulled Oily girls to have a more relaxed session.

But now I have this office working lady, who lives in Phayathai. So I am looking for a ST hotel around there.

Please help me with location of such places / hotels which rent by 2-3 hrs or even overnight.

But has to be basic (clean and cheap) if possible.

[QUOTE=JeraldoRivera;2243264]Anybody want to recommend a good place in sukhumvit by terminal 21/ asok train stop? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Walk down Soi 19 and on the right side you will see many massage shops and the girls sitting outside. Most of those shops will oblige in anything you want. You need to discuss with them outside and negotiate the rate. They are high priced at first but don't rush to agree.

RL.

I'm sure you noticed them selling plastic bottles of it, 2 sizes. Didn't see it in Bangkok 2 years ago but now its a thing. I drank a boat load during my stay, refreshing in the hot humid afternoon. Many health benefits too, read:

[URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318385.php[/URL]

Cheers.

I stay near there. I start everyday with a BJ at Som's Heaven before site seeing. They open after lunch I think.

In with Soi do I find Som's and how much for the BJ?

I have found a few (maybe 50% of the girls I contacted) who are willing to be my vacation GF. Some ask for money, but many do not. I am happy to set a price in advance, but I have no idea what this entails.

Generally, I take the girls for dinner, go out dancing, and take them back to my hotel for the night, which includes late night and morning sessions.

Advice would be appreciated, as although there are some guys into this type of lady, pricing is rarely discussed. The goal is to have a happy lady without breaking the bank. I am generally willing to go as high as 5000.

[QUOTE=Forest;2243924]I have found a few (maybe 50% of the girls I contacted) who are willing to be my vacation GF. Some ask for money, but many do not. I am happy to set a price in advance, but I have no idea what this entails. Advice would be appreciated, as although there are some guys into this type of lady, pricing is rarely discussed. The goal is to have a happy lady without breaking the bank. I am generally willing to go as high as 5000.[/QUOTE]I have no advice. Wondering for how long and where you are heading with byo.

[QUOTE=Forest;2243924]I have found a few (maybe 50% of the girls I contacted) who are willing to be my vacation GF. Some ask for money, but many do not. I am happy to set a price in advance, but I have no idea what this entails.

Generally, I take the girls for dinner, go out dancing, and take them back to my hotel for the night, which includes late night and morning sessions.

Advice would be appreciated, as although there are some guys into this type of lady, pricing is rarely discussed. The goal is to have a happy lady without breaking the bank. I am generally willing to go as high as 5000.[/QUOTE]You are very generous and seems like you want to have a connection with the girl. But some girls may mistake your generosity for weakness and try to exploit it. I would suggest not offering anything upfront (you'd pay for everything, anyway), but if she made you happy during the vacation, give her a nice "gift". I have never done it but thought about it a couple of times.

[QUOTE=JeraldoRivera;2243537]Thanks! I had not heard of thermae before but its right by my hotel so I hope to learn all about it! How much should I expect to pay for a 30 min fukey sukey? I regret not staying over at phrom phong bts as my hyper vigilante partner will be watching me like a hawk and its going to be hard to explain extended disappearances.[/QUOTE]Oh you're in for a treat! Thermae is a Bangkok institution! It's been there for quite a while Opened in 1966! Many a Vietnam vet has been there. It has seen better days. Today, you will see a whole bunch of people sitting around an oval bar and whole bunch more along the walls of the room. The lights are bright. The music is bad. And there is smoke in the air! The place is full of East Asian men. Primarily Japanese and Korean. And a whole bunch of young Thai women who dress and put on make up and develop mannerisms to look like young Japanese women! Which is weird, right?! You are going after Japanese men who probably slept with a lot of Japanese women and you are made up like a Japanese girl. Anyway, I would not pay more than 1000 B for short time. Thermae gets going early and goes late Enjoy and post a report!!

[QUOTE=DonkeyLeg;2242831]Some members seem to have taken an interest in Jabkasai. I had my third session recently and decided been there done that enough. I enjoyed the novelty / curiosity first couple of times but the lack of sensuality got to me last time. The orgasm was still there but the intensity was gone. I would love to hear about other member's experience.

Anyway moving on I now have two I think they are called giks. One works at Boots the other I'm still not sure exactly what she does. I give them both 10,000 a month and see them each four five times a month. They are totally different, the girl from Boots is shy the other is a total mad hatter. The sex with the mad hatter is amazing maybe because we are usually both pissed from a night out when we get at it. She seems open and tells me she has other sponsors who visit Thailand a few times a year. I like being with her but not as much as I do the other girl. She drinks very little, is introverted in a polite way but she is so so sweet. She is intelligent loves movies and music as I do and I think I'm falling for her. A big age difference, Scary!

I am relatively new here and confess I am no expert on Asian values but I am beginning to feel there are some marked differences with the West. The one I am most interested in at the moment because of my involvement with the girl from Boots is what love means here. I am slowly realizing it is more about family, social status and security and emotional love plays a relatively minor part in women's choices. A girl will measure how a man feels about her by how much he provides for her and how much security he can offer her. Is this the way it is, perhaps some more informed than I could offer some guidance. Life is getting a little more complicated.[/QUOTE]I think your instinct in the last paragraph is right on. There is more focus on the provider side and not so much on romantic love. But you know what? If you love this girl and she loves you back (sees you as provider) - that's fine. But think of the project ahead. You can slowly lead her into opening up to new things! Like a flower blossoming. That would be an adventure. But a woman is unlikeley to enjoy sex and be in love if she is not happy with you in general (Einstein).

[QUOTE=HornDog3;2242677]2) Any place in BKK to get an American style Thanksgiving meal on Nov. 22 and / or watch NFL football?

The football games will be on Friday. The Thursday 11:30 am game will start at 12:30 am Friday. The Thursday 3:30 pm game will start at 4:30 am on Friday. The Thursday 7:20 pm game will start at 8:20 am on Friday.

The only place I can think of for watching the 8:20 am game is The Game. Breakfast is pretty good there.[/QUOTE]I watched football at Gulliver's on Soi 5 - a pub style bar with pool tables and lots of TVs. They will put it on for you if you ask. They have food also. It's a nice bar. You can actually relax without a whole bunch of girls bothering you. But there is enough eye candy to keep you happy. If you get bored, you can put your name in line for a pool game or two! They open at 11 AM. I did see a good sports bar at Raddison Blue. Can't remember the Soi. They'll probably have it. Good luck and post a report!!

[QUOTE=Forest;2243924]I have found a few (maybe 50% of the girls I contacted) who are willing to be my vacation GF. Some ask for money, but many do not. I am happy to set a price in advance, but I have no idea what this entails.

Generally, I take the girls for dinner, go out dancing, and take them back to my hotel for the night, which includes late night and morning sessions.

Advice would be appreciated, as although there are some guys into this type of lady, pricing is rarely discussed. The goal is to have a happy lady without breaking the bank. I am generally willing to go as high as 5000.[/QUOTE]I have taken many girls on vacation. Ofcourse USA girls no money. Dominican girls to AI resorts. Costa Rican girls to Panama. Thai girls I have taken all over Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Macao. Philippines girls to many places in Philippines only. Chinese girls to all over China including couple for Yangtze cruise.

No money discused upfront. Those that set a fee I do not take. Because they think money only and not to enjoy with you. If a girl is willing and friendly after meeting and having fun I tend to take them on vacation. It makes like a romantic trip.

Yes, vacation becomes expensive. In USA the girl you take will pitch in or buy her own knickknacks and their own outfit. No money given to USA girls.

Asian girls I met are not rich and do not have anything. I have to buy clothes, swimwear, makeup kits etc before the trip. Once on the trip they want to buy gifts for family and friends mostly knickknacks. I need to pay for those. Air tickets, hotel, food are expensive st vacation places. After all that I do compensate her time. No set fee but need to give something. It depends what you feel like giving. 5000 baht a day maybe too much after all the expenses. More like 2000 a day.

If you meant you need a single girl to stay with you during your vacation you need to compensate according to the going rate. If they work in the bar they need to be compensated accordingly. But if they are normal girls from dating sites you generally give lumpsome at the end.

[QUOTE=Crypton;2243949]Oh you're in for a treat! Thermae is a Bangkok institution! It's been there for quite a while Opened in 1966! Many a Vietnam vet has been there. It has seen better days. Today, you will see a whole bunch of people sitting around an oval bar and whole bunch more along the walls of the room. The lights are bright. The music is bad. And there is smoke in the air! The place is full of East Asian men. Primarily Japanese and Korean. And a whole bunch of young Thai women who dress and put on make up and develop mannerisms to look like young Japanese women! Which is weird, right?! You are going after Japanese men who probably slept with a lot of Japanese women and you are made up like a Japanese girl. Anyway, I would not pay more than 1000 B for short time. Thermae gets going early and goes late Enjoy and post a report!![/QUOTE]I go there every week. There is no smoke in the air, and the Japanese style is down to a smaller percentage than I have seen in years. There are more Koreans and Chinese now. The number of Falangs going seems to be increasing.

You ain't getting nothing out of there for 1000 B unless she is a dog and its closing time.

But Thermae will always be my favourite since my first trip way like 25 plus years ago.

[QUOTE=Crypton;2243949]Oh you're in for a treat! Thermae is a Bangkok institution! It's been there for quite a while Opened in 1966! Many a Vietnam vet has been there. It has seen better days. Today, you will see a whole bunch of people sitting around an oval bar and whole bunch more along the walls of the room. The lights are bright. The music is bad. And there is smoke in the air! The place is full of East Asian men. Primarily Japanese and Korean. And a whole bunch of young Thai women who dress and put on make up and develop mannerisms to look like young Japanese women! Which is weird, right?! You are going after Japanese men who probably slept with a lot of Japanese women and you are made up like a Japanese girl. Anyway, I would not pay more than 1000 B for short time. Thermae gets going early and goes late Enjoy and post a report!![/QUOTE]You will save a lot of money if you follow Crypton's advice about paying no more than 1000 baht, since no one will go with you. If you read this thread, the going rate is 2500 baht (maybe 2000 if she is not that attractive and / or desperate).

[QUOTE=Crypton;2243950]I think your instinct in the last paragraph is right on. There is more focus on the provider side and not so much on romantic love. But you know what? If you love this girl and she loves you back (sees you as provider) - that's fine. But think of the project ahead. You can slowly lead her into opening up to new things! Like a flower blossoming. That would be an adventure. But a woman is unlikeley to enjoy sex and be in love if she is not happy with you in general (Einstein).[/QUOTE]DL's concerns about what love is all about for Asian girls are well founded but I would argue there is every possibility of him having a meaningful long term relationship with this girl.

Emotional / physical based love a la western values is usually a short lived phenomenon with a life span a couple of years. After that its compatibility shared interests family etc that decides the success or otherwise of where it goes next.

I would suggest he spends more time getting to know her better, enjoy the relationship without committing himself. I guess this is easy to say but nigh impossible when you are falling madly in love with a beautiful Thai girl. I know I've been there but even if it doesn't work out it is better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. I wish him luck.

Thanks yes, I found their Line. The manager on the other end messaged me in basic English, so that plus my basic Thai should be fine.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2243694]Maybe this helps even more:

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/3arqSyATXXE2[/URL]

Now you know exactly where and have the phone number. If phoning them, you might need a Thai speaker to help. LOL[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DonkeyLeg;2242831]I am relatively new here and confess I am no expert on Asian values but I am beginning to feel there are some marked differences with the West. The one I am most interested in at the moment because of my involvement with the girl from Boots is what love means here. I am slowly realizing it is more about family, social status and security and emotional love plays a relatively minor part in women's choices. A girl will measure how a man feels about her by how much he provides for her and how much security he can offer her. Is this the way it is, perhaps some more informed than I could offer some guidance. Life is getting a little more complicated.[/QUOTE]Along with my reply to Crypton's post for what it's worth may I offer the following advice.

Do not overspend I. E. Take her on a shopping spree to Gaysorn with stops at Louis's, Hermes and Prada. For sure the odd trinket to show your appreciation is allowed but lavish spending sends out the wrong signal.

As you say there is a big age difference and while I'm sure this girl is no hard core grifter you can never be certain what her true intentions are.

One last piece of advice if she ever asks for money for some family emergency while not always this is usually bad news.

[QUOTE=Forest;2243924]I have found a few (maybe 50% of the girls I contacted) who are willing to be my vacation GF. Some ask for money, but many do not. I am happy to set a price in advance, but I have no idea what this entails.

Generally, I take the girls for dinner, go out dancing, and take them back to my hotel for the night, which includes late night and morning sessions.

Advice would be appreciated, as although there are some guys into this type of lady, pricing is rarely discussed. The goal is to have a happy lady without breaking the bank. I am generally willing to go as high as 5000.[/QUOTE]Huh? Why would you pay a girl you're dating any money? Some guys here really have strange ideas. Here is what I do: I just have a good time with them.

[QUOTE=TigressWanted;2243871]I'm sure you noticed them selling plastic bottles of it, 2 sizes. Didn't see it in Bangkok 2 years ago but now its a thing. I drank a boat load during my stay, refreshing in the hot humid afternoon. Many health benefits too, read:

[URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318385.php[/URL]

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Not sure about healthy. Most of it is fake. The fresh fruits and squeezer are just decoration. You'll get one of the bottles that contain mostly processed juice.

[QUOTE=TigressWanted;2243871]I'm sure you noticed them selling plastic bottles of it, 2 sizes. Didn't see it in Bangkok 2 years ago but now its a thing. I drank a boat load during my stay, refreshing in the hot humid afternoon. Many health benefits too, read:

[URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318385.php[/URL]

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Its always been in Bangkok, especially around tourist areas where it isn't pure Pom juice, but a mixture. If they squeeze it right in front of you. You win. But not many folks are winners.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2244101]Not sure about healthy. Most of it is fake. The fresh fruits and squeezer are just decoration. You'll get one of the bottles that contain mostly processed juice.[/QUOTE]And it's often cut with water or even something else. Nobody knows what's inside unless you bring it to a laboratory for a test. I had a Thai friend who had one friend of her who sold the orange juice bottles, she advised me to never buy these bottles as they were always cut with something. A few month ago it made the headlines with a video of Vietnamese preparing these bottles and laughing when putting some other stuffs inside. Thais in social media were very angry at them.

OK, so it seems FS is not really going to happen in the bar anymore, sign of the times I guess. So how about establishments where they'll pull it out and give you a tug? Apart from the obvious places on Soi Cowboy, anyone know of somewhere this is a regular thing done in a dark corner?

MP,

About a month ago you were in Angeles City and you went and donated to an orphanage. Can you PM me the contact info and name of the orphanage as I may visit them on my next visit in a month or so?

Thanks,

DG8787.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2244099]Huh? Why would you pay a girl you're dating any money? Some guys here really have strange ideas. Here is what I do: I just have a good time with them.[/QUOTE]To go away when you are done.

You must have heard this before. But then again, you are amnesia! LOL.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2244304]And it's often cut with water or even something else. Nobody knows what's inside unless you bring it to a laboratory for a test. I had a Thai friend who had one friend of her who sold the orange juice bottles, she advised me to never buy these bottles as they were always cut with something. A few month ago it made the headlines with a video of Vietnamese preparing these bottles and laughing when putting some other stuffs inside. Thais in social media were very angry at them.[/QUOTE]Outside the tourist areas you can get the fresh squeezed OJ.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2244101]Not sure about healthy. Most of it is fake. The fresh fruits and squeezer are just decoration. You'll get one of the bottles that contain mostly processed juice.[/QUOTE]I noticed the sale of "Tub Tim" (pomegranate) juice of very dark purple mixture. Immediately struck me the colour was wrong. Now a Pomegranite does not have that much juice and I really don't believe it is that dark purple colour, since the fleshy part surrounding the seeds is a slightly lighter red colour, like light crimson. Now I could be wrong, but my assumption is it is fake or highly adulterated. Maybe it is possible the colour looks a lot darker when in a bottle.

If someone has seen a whole bottle of Pomegranite juice made from go to wo, great I would like to hear. Did that require 20 Pomegranites maybe?

If the very dark purple was made from skins of Mangosteen ("Mangkhut"), that might actually have health benefits, but artificial colouring seems more likely.

Could be some stands sell real stuff and others sell fake stuff. Colour of the juice could vary. I once used to buy passionfruit juice (known in Thai as "saowarot" or Isaan as "bakatoklok"), but became very hard to get it, not obviously mixed with sugar and other crap, possibly MSG, and water, I. E. Obviously diluted.

If could be sure to get pure juice with nothing added, might be okay In general I don't drink juices because of high sugar content. Dietary experts recommend us to eat fruit to get both juice and fibre and skins (of apples for example), but not to squeeze the juice out and then throw away the healthier part. Drinking large amounts of juice is considered to be taking in too much sugar these days, even if was original fruit sugar.

If anyone thinks there is real "tub tim" Pomegranite juice, I suggest buy a "tub tim", cut it open, and try to find a good way to get the juice out and see how much you actually get. Might change your mind. I am guessing the juice is really minimal. My mother has a Pomegranite tree in her front yard.

There is a Thai dessert called "Tub Tim Krop" which means crunchy Tub Tim. Yet it does not contain any "tub tim" at all. Made from cut up water chesnuts "Haew" coated in agar or similar sticky rice translucent jelly with colouring.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2244485]
....
If could be sure to get pure juice with nothing added, might be okay In general I don't drink juices because of high sugar content. Dietary experts recommend us to eat fruit to get both juice and fibre and skins (of apples for example), but not to squeeze the juice out and then throw away the healthier part. Drinking large amounts of juice is considered to be taking in too much sugar these days, even if was original fruit sugar.[/QUOTE]I was glad to live in Thailand to be able to gorge on Mangos, passion fruit etc. Now I read pesticide residues are through the roof.

[QUOTE=XXL;2244487]I was glad to live in Thailand to be able to gorge on Mangos, passion fruit etc. Now I read pesticide residues are through the roof.[/QUOTE]So pesticides are permeating the skins, is that right? Just happens I have significant fruit trees where I live not being hit by pesticides, so depends where you get them. Organic maybe possible.

Have passionfruits, Papayas (plenty), Bananas, limes, and some mango trees coming along. Have to import apples of course.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2244099]Huh? Why would you pay a girl you're dating any money? Some guys here really have strange ideas. Here is what I do: I just have a good time with them.[/QUOTE]Dating is a misleading word. I don't use it myself. Why not just call it fucking? Dating is more about serious relationships I thought, where is never 100% sure when you will get a fuck.

We pay to keep it simple. I pay girl to fuck now. Then she goes away. There is no ongoing responsibilities. We may well have a GF or wife already.

However in Thailand and other countries, there is the possibility to hire a temporary wife who will go away on holidays with you and act like a GF, for several days or more. The other day was reading about some rich guys hiring a woman to be his wife for a year. LOL By paying we hope to get a girl of superior quality that normally in non P4 P might be out of our league (especially far too young). LOL.

Sometimes these hired wives turn out to be a lot more fun than the real wife or GF for several days. I recall taking a well known MP girl to Krabi and Phi Phi Island for several days. It was a tremendous holiday. She wasn't boring. I think it multiplied the fun over going alone. Now if you happen to have a real GF equally good, great, go for it. Some guys just don't want a real GF with the strings attached.

If you get the most fabulous girls for free, then lucky you. Ronaldo got one too in Las Vegas, seems is was not for free after all.

Right now I am real happy with a regular girl who gives a fab fun time, and she has little choice but to see me fairly often, and make it great for me, since she needs some money assists each month. She says she would not be doing so if she did not want the sex too, but she still needs some money help. So where does the truth lie? Somewhere in between.

I once had a regular date to see a girl once per week for BBFS, and an agreed price, for years. We both had regular partners (GF or BF), but were not getting what we needed. So this was a paid 2nd or minor secret wife. I don't do her any more. Eventually wasn't sexy enough, and face seemed to go blotchy. She probably approaches 50 now, and I am significantly more than that. LOL However can hang on to a girl for years if give her what she needs, and visa versa.

Most of my GFs cost me in one way or another, some more costly than mongering, even if was only stealing years of my time. Outsourcing the sex, just seems to be a lot easier.

Clearly a lot of us don't have the time to be going out "dating" for real. I have a long term GF already. She would be much happier for me to have the odd play up, than to be out dating.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2244494]Most of my GFs cost me in one way or another, some more costly than mongering, even if was only stealing years of my time. Outsourcing the sex, just seems to be a lot easier.

Clearly a lot of us don't have the time to be going out "dating" for real. I have a long term GF already. She would be much happier for me to have the odd play up, than to be out dating.[/QUOTE]I used the term "dating" to distinguish between a hooker / freelancer and a normal girl. If a girl asks for money, then she's a hooker. No problem with that; if she's okay with 1. 5-2 k ST I'll keep her in my Line account for the moments when I'm lazy and just want the convenience of having a fuck-pay-leave thing.

A girl who does not ask for money is a normal girl. She will not receive any money from me. I am not dating those girls, however. I stopped dating. If a girl doesn't want to meet at my place for a movie or near my place for a drink (which means I will just take her to my room) I just next. Enough cute 18-24 yo available online who are easy-going.

I might offer them a drink at my place, or some food because I'm ordering anyways since I normally work long. Worst case, they cost me 200-400 THB for a pizza / sushi / burger. Quite often, they don't want anything as they've eaten already when we meet at 8 or 9 pm.

I do not take them on dates, and certainly not on any trips. They are really only bootycalls: we meet after work, have sex, maybe eat something and watch Netflix, then sleep. The next morning, I will go to work, and they either leave or stay and clean my room. Some even wash my clothes (not necessarily a good idea one out my wool suit pants in a 90 degrees washing machine).

None of them is expecting anything. They know I am not looking for a GF. They know I have other girls. They come for the sex and for having a good time together. Some are seeing other guys in parallel. Some are looking for a serious relationship in parallel.

Let's be fair; most of those girls are in a different league. They don't have the education, experience, status and money that we have. Still they are nice people and good company. The girl that wasted my suit pants got out of her to contact my tailor and get me new pants which she paid for herself.

I could never see myself paying these girls any money. I actually think most of them would be offended that they are confused with being a hooker. Most importantly, however, I would feel bad about it. Not about the money; I could afford having a couple of sponsored gfs, no problem. But I could not enjoy it. I enjoy my giks because I can be sure they enjoy it, too. That's what makes the whole thing exciting. If I paid them, they would be in for the money, whatever else they claim (or why not just stopping the payments?

Even more, I would actually feel bad. They already get something much more valuable than money, which is my time and my company. We hangout together, we cuddle, we have a conversation (however trivial the topic might be). I would feel cheated if they got money on top, and it all would feel fake. I have to go to those G-Clubs sometimes because my Thai work colleagues love them. Every time I am there I want to puke right into the girl's face. You're paying a lot of money just so that she pretends to like you and enjoy your company. When I pay, I want sex, and just that. I do it for the convenience; I don't want to give my time and company. I fuck you, I pay you, then you leave. With a normal girl, I want to have a good time we both enjoy. I am not mixing the two things up.

Anyway, to each their own. My preferences might be different than yours. What works for me might not work for you. I just couldn't understand it.

Someone recently reported plenty of real girls outside the Thermae, not just Ladyboys. It did not really ring true for me.

Tonight at 11.30 PM I stopped there when passing to really take in the scene and have a good look at nearly all the "ladies". There were 3 or 4 real girls sitting right at the top of the stairs. To be honest previously I never would have noticed them at all. Because so fucking ugly. All older as well, poor body shapes.

Hanging back from the top of the stairs in a big arc were the ladyboys. Far better looking than the girls in their own way. Just once single very pretty white faced girl among them. I was immediately certain she was a girl because her face was small and so delicate. Actually I would consider doing her but her body was a bit obscured. Name was Naen. I spoke to her briefly and remained certain she was female. The only one in the standing arc. She was outside because she was clearly with her two friends that were ladyboys. Sitting down on the garden fence towards the Sofitel were another 3 or 4 real ladies, but also another ugly group. So not counting girls passing in and out, or just arriving back, just 1 single very beautiful faced girl waiting for a customer. 7 or 8 ugly girls that I normally would not even notice they were there.

So good lady choices outside? Very few indeed, I saw just 1, and maybe a second showed up at the end, but wasn't sure if she would stay outside or just chatting to a friend briefly. Maybe 12 to 15 ladyboys. The standard of girls out on the footpath on Sukhumvit odd Sois side at night is not very good all up. Maybe a petty one exists sometimes.

Earlier looked at some girls dancing naked in 5 Star. Bad music but bar was full (its very small). Still gets me going a bit if girl is completely nude showing pussy and the body appeals. One girl gave me new contact info for ex CH girl, so that was worthwhile. Good lighting in there. LOL The 9+ body girl I BFed before was busy with Asian customer. No worries I was not really eager for a fuck anyway.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2244626]Someone recently reported plenty of real girls outside the Thermae, not just Ladyboys. It did not really ring true for me.

Tonight at 11.30 PM I stopped there when passing to really take in the scene and have a good look at nearly all the "ladies". There were 3 or 4 real girls sitting right at the top of the stairs. To be honest previously I never would have noticed them at all. Because so fucking ugly. All older as well, poor body shapes.

Hanging back from the top of the stairs in a big arc were the ladyboys. Far better looking than the girls in their own way. Just once single very pretty white faced girl among them. I was immediately certain she was a girl because her face was small and so delicate. Actually I would consider doing her but her body was a bit obscured. Name was Naen. I spoke to her briefly and remained certain she was female. The only one in the standing arc. She was outside because she was clearly with her two friends that were ladyboys. Sitting down on the garden fence towards the Sofitel were another 3 or 4 real ladies, but also another ugly group. So not counting girls passing in and out, or just arriving back, just 1 single very beautiful faced girl waiting for a customer. 7 or 8 ugly girls that I normally would not even notice they were there..[/QUOTE]That's the beauty of Bangkok, at 10:30 I see the ladys, at 11:30 you see the ladyboys, at 12:30, who knows, I'm in bed, alone or with someone.

I was in and out Saturday at 11 pm, there were only three GGs outside with perhaps a dozen LBs. Two of the three GGs were doable, but again, looked too young. Two monsters were on the stairs grabbing as you walked by. Between Thermae and Asoke, a poor selection except for one chick by Tops pounding down some food. I didn't go below Thermae so can't comment as to quality. I know that on my last few strolls, the Nana Parking lot has been meh. On the other hand, I have been seeing some lurkers on Soi 33 that looked presentable, but haven't stopped to chat despite their yearning looks as I walk by.

I think I'm due for a late nighte. I'm just so reluctant because hunting the vulva at night interferes with the cool stuff I want to do in the daytime. If for example, I want to take my daily exercise in Koh Kret or Bang Kachao, I have to get up early. That doesn't even count day trips here and there where I got to be at Hua Lamphong or Talat Phlu RR at 7:30 am. Going out to 3 am, adding booze to the mix and then playing hide the sausage all night basically kills two or three days before I can recover. Ah, lost mispent youth!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2244626]Someone recently reported plenty of real girls outside the Thermae, not just Ladyboys. It did not really ring true for me.

Tonight at 11.30 PM I stopped there when passing to really take in the scene and have a good look at nearly all the "ladies". There were 3 or 4 real girls sitting right at the top of the stairs. To be honest previously I never would have noticed them at all. Because so fucking ugly. All older as well, poor body shapes.

Hanging back from the top of the stairs in a big arc were the ladyboys. Far better looking than the girls in their own way. Just once single very pretty white faced girl among them. I was immediately certain she was a girl because her face was small and so delicate. Actually I would consider doing her but her body was a bit obscured. Name was Naen. I spoke to her briefly and remained certain she was female. The only one in the standing arc. She was outside because she was clearly with her two friends that were ladyboys. Sitting down on the garden fence towards the Sofitel were another 3 or 4 real ladies, but also another ugly group. So not counting girls passing in and out, or just arriving back, just 1 single very beautiful faced girl waiting for a customer. 7 or 8 ugly girls that I normally would not even notice they were there..[/QUOTE]Why would a female be waiting outside Thermae? The only ones I ever saw were ones smoking, and they would go back in once they were done. I suppose some might be outside near closing time, but I haven't hung around till then in a long time.

[QUOTE=Jim200;2244717]Why would a female be waiting outside Thermae? The only ones I ever saw were ones smoking, and they would go back in once they were done. I suppose some might be outside near closing time, but I haven't hung around till then in a long time.[/QUOTE][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url].

Too crowded, lots of guys are figuring out that it is nicer sometimes to hang outside and the girls are following to check out the inventory.

Taking a break.

Having a smoke.

Waiting for a GF.

Chilling after an ST before going in.

I spend as much time outside sometimes as I do inside. Buy a brew from the bar in front of the Hotel and hang there. Its cooler and less chance of getting bumped by a Beijing Bob. You get to see all the talent coming in.

The Thermae has always been as much fun outside as it has been inside. Its just toned down a lot.

[QUOTE=Jim200;2244717]Why would a female be waiting outside Thermae? The only ones I ever saw were ones smoking, and they would go back in once they were done. I suppose some might be outside near closing time, but I haven't hung around till then in a long time.[/QUOTE]Good reasons:

* Smoking as you say.
* Non Thai or age too low (but risky).
* Good looking Girl is hanging with her LB friends, perhaps trying to make those LBs appear to be female, or just lending moral support to not so pretty LBs.
* About to go home but just hanging a little longer.
* Trying to grab a weak confused customer on his way out alone.
* Very ugly so hoping to pick up some dumb customer too lazy or too stingy (for drinks) to go inside, and too ugly to be competitive.

Last 2 categories seem to dominate and overlap.

I do recall taking a girl from outside Thermae, but must be many years ago, and close to or at closing time.

I was probably wandering around at the same time as you that night and I thought to myself "wow these chicks are far hotter than the Soi 4 FL's." I will definitely be far more circumspect now.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2244626]So good lady choices outside? Very few indeed, I saw just 1, and maybe a second showed up at the end, but wasn't sure if she would stay outside or just chatting to a friend briefly. Maybe 12 to 15 ladyboys. The standard of girls out on the footpath on Sukhumvit odd Sois side at night is not very good all up. Maybe a petty one exists sometimes.[/QUOTE]

I took a lady from Thermae out last night thinking she was an independent, but later on she told me she needed to call her mamasan to let her know she was going to stay LT.

Finding basic info in the forum is hard and I wish ISG had a wiki feature. Since it does not, as a favor to clueless newbies, here is an outline of a few basics you should know before coming to Bangkok.

Getting in: You probably will fly into Suvarnabhumi (BKK), which is pronounced sort of like sue-want to-boom. Get at least enough cash from an ATM or a change booth to pay for your ride into town. The airport is connected to the city by an inexpensive rapid rail line. However, if you have lots of luggage or arrive in the middle of the night, you'll have to take a taxi. Use the queue service, which is very well organized. Remind the driver to turn on the meter or he will charge you a more expensive flat rate. Pay the expressway tolls with the inconvenient thousand-baht bill that you got from the ATM. That will leave you with small bills to pay the taxi. The ride to your hotel should cost around 350 THB (under 10 dollars).

Stay: Bangkok is a sprawling city with many neighborhoods. For practicality, you should stay in the "lower Sukhumvit" neighborhood. Sukhumvit is a very long street, beginning at the Ploenchit shopping center and Skytrain station. Side streets (soi) have ascending numbers as you head east. Odds are on the north side, evens on the south. Anywhere around Nana or Asoke BTS stations is right at the heart of the action. You certainly can stay elsewhere, but it's best to be near a BTS Skytrain station. Most hotels are visitor-friendly, especially if you book a double room. Unless you have some sort of ego problem, there's no need to stay in an expensive chain. There are thousands of perfectly fine rooms by western standards, for less than 40 dollars. Save your money for the important stuff.

Get around: Use Google Maps and download maps before leaving home to save data charges. Traffic is horrible. BTS Skytrain and MRT Subway are your friends. They are cheap and easy to navigate. Ticket machines support English. On the ground, you can hail a moving taxi or use the Grab taxi app. Any parked taxi is probably going to run the "meter broken" fare scam on you. Tuk-tuks are an option, but many drivers will try to pressure you into gem and souvenir shops. Motorcycle taxis are cheap and good if you have a death wish. Importantly, lower Sukhumvit is entirely walkable -- only five or ten minutes between BTS stations.

Food and drink: Western-style food is widely available in bars. Thai food is everywhere, naturally. Street carts are much safer than you'd think (ingredients are very fresh) but you might need a temporary girlfriend to help you make a purchase, as there won't be any English menus. Thai beers are mostly of the "cheap yellow" variety -- only a few bars have craft beers. Distilled spirits may be counterfeit. Wine is not a Thai thing. Best not to drink the Thai whiskey.

Where to find bar girls: There are three primary "entertainment" centers with go-go bars, where you typically are expected to buy one drink but not pay a cover charge. Two are in lower Sukhumvit. Soi Cowboy is a block north of the Sukhumvit-Asoke intersection and has the most neon. Nana Entertainment Plaza is on Soi 4, just south of Sukhumvit, and has a large covered courtyard surrounded by go-go bars. The third center is Patpong, which is north of Silom street near the Sala Daeng BTS station. Patpong is notorious for ping-pong shows and for second-floor bars being clip joints, so beware. "Beer bars," which will not have performing girls, are near all three centers. In fact, lower Sukhumvit has hundreds of them. Sit down, order a drink, and the very friendly girls will find you. Be careful with buying "lady drinks," as the charges can add up quickly. To take a girl from a bar, you'll have to pay a "barfine" of 400-500 baht in addition to whatever the girl charges.

Where to find freelancers: In addition to bar girls, there are thousands of freelancers operating in Bangkok, concentrated in lower Sukhumvit. Even in the daytime there will be dozens along the north side of Sukhumvit between Soi 3 and Soi 11. Street freelancers are cheaper than bar girls (and there's no barfine), but there may be greater risks. There also are several bars popular with freelancers. Thermae, in the basement under Ruamchitt Hotel, is packed each night with beautiful women in their 20's trying to land a free-spending Japanese tourist. Biergarten, on Soi 7, is a daytime and evening pickup spot for MILFs in their 30's and 40's. After closing time, dozens of illegal pop-up bars (basically a cooler full of beer) materialize on the north side of Sukhumvit and side streets such as Soi 7, and freelancers will drop their prices. To determine whether a girl is a freelancer, make eye contact and smile. A brief conversation will lead to the truth. Don't bother the girls working at the vendor tables.

Massage: There are many both legitimate and sex-oriented massage shops, and it's usually not hard to tell the difference. If in doubt, ask if they provide "special massage," then ask if "boom-boom" or just BJ or HJ is on the menu. You won't offend by asking, and they've heard it all before. "Oily" massage places such as Snow White are straightforward brothels. With a massage parlor, you don't need to go to your hotel (or rent a cheap short-time hotel), but it can be an impersonal quickie experience. Do take the time to get a good legitimate Thai massage while you're in town.

Money: Get to understand what 500 and 1000 baht mean in your home currency, as that will simplify the math. Blowjobs start at 500, sex typically at 1000, but asking prices of 1500-3000 are more common. "Short time" means an hour and one pop. "Long time" means all night (and maybe half of the following day). If you run short of cash, ATMs are everywhere. Note that you'll be charged a fee for each withdrawal, so a few bigger withdrawals are better than lots of small ones.

Communication: English is common and you won't have any trouble communicating with your hotel clerk or most waitstaff. If you run into a girl whose English is poor, don't despair -- basic sex communicating isn't complicated.

Behavior: You're a guest in a military dictatorship that has horrible prisons. Don't be an asshole, don't break the law, don't even THINK about drugs, don't throw trash or cigarette ashes on the ground, don't get into arguments, don't disrespect the king. If you can't follow those basic rules, stay home.

Ladyboys: Pay attention here. If it looks too good to be true, it is. Some ladyboys (katooeys) invest heavily in surgical modifications. Tipoffs include height, voice, Adam's apple, aggressive behavior. If in doubt, ask politely. There are go-go joints and massage parlors specializing in ladyboys, and it should not be hard to tell the difference.

Angels and demons: Anyone who comes up to you with an offer of help, unasked, is probably a mild scammer. And there are many tales of spiked drinks, et cetera. But it's terribly overblown. The truth is that most people are genuinely friendly and Bangkok is probably safer than whereever you're coming from. Take care. The girl you're talking with might be in it just for the money, or even have plans to pick your pocket. On the other hand, she might be someone who finds happiness in making other people happy. Make your choices carefully. This is where it pays to spend some time chatting with girls before heading to your room. Being respectful, kind and considerate are core Buddhist values. If you wander through Nana Entertainment Plaza before the bars are fully open you may be surprised to find girls lining up to pray at a Buddhist shrine. The more girls you treat as angels, the better your chances of finding one.

You mentioned illegal pop up bars opening late night on North side of SUK in your report. According to the many recent reports I have read, these bars have been eliminated by the BIB over the last few years. I spent the winter of 2016 living in Soi 8 and used to love wandering around in the wee hours checking out the talent and vibes at these impromptu bars and was disappointed to read they were closed down. It was an interesting and unique part of my experience living in central Bangkok.

So have the pop bars had a Renaissance or is this exaggerated or incorrect reporting? I am coming to spend the winter again after a two year hiatus so looking forward to everything the Big Mango has to offer. I used to frequent Bangkok Beat to the point I almost got my mail there, but they too, alas, closed in 2016. Wondering if there are any suitable replacement venues with live music that have opened?

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;2244914]Finding basic info in the forum is hard and I wish ISG had a wiki feature. Since it does not, as a favor to clueless newbies, here is an outline of a few basics you should know before coming to Bangkok.

Getting in: You probably will fly into Suvarnabhumi (BKK), which ................[/QUOTE]Great report Etaoin for the new ones. Thank you (but I'am a very old one!

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2244926]You mentioned illegal pop up bars opening late night on North side of SUK in your report. According to the many recent reports I have read, these bars have been eliminated by the BIB over the last few years. I spent the winter of 2016 living in Soi 8 and used to love wandering around in the wee hours checking out the talent and vibes at these impromptu bars and was disappointed to read they were closed down. It was an interesting and unique part of my experience living in central Bangkok.

So have the pop bars had a Renaissance or is this exaggerated or incorrect reporting?[/QUOTE]1 or 2 Cart bars have arrived on Soi 23 again maybe one in Sukhumvit between 21 and 23 and a couple in Soi 21 almost connected to Cowboy. Might be some others in side sois but I just mention what I saw recently.

[QUOTE=Crypton;2243952]I watched football at Gulliver's on Soi 5 - a pub style bar with pool tables and lots of TVs. They will put it on for you if you ask. They have food also. It's a nice bar. You can actually relax without a whole bunch of girls bothering you. But there is enough eye candy to keep you happy. If you get bored, you can put your name in line for a pool game or two! They open at 11 AM. I did see a good sports bar at Raddison Blue. Can't remember the Soi. They'll probably have it. Good luck and post a report!![/QUOTE]You might try Roadhouse Barbeque on Rama IV at Surawong.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2244626]
Hanging back from the top of the stairs in a big arc were the ladyboys. Far better looking than the girls in their own way. Just once single very pretty white faced girl among them. I was immediately certain she was a girl because her face was small and so delicate. Actually I would consider doing her but her body was a bit obscured. Name was Naen. I spoke to her briefly and remained certain she was female. The only one in the standing arc. [/QUOTE]Tonight was approaching Thermae and saw Naen getting into a taxi with a customer and maybe a lady boy as well. Naen was wearing a stunning white dress so looked better still than previous night. Between Thermae and Sofitel the usual 3 or 4 short dumpy ugly girls sitting on the steel pipe. Outside Thermae, excluding girls emerging with a Japanese or other Asian guy, all ladies standing outside were ladyboys. Not one real girl. Time was 0:15, so I still maintain worthwhile real girls outside are rare.

Starting much earlier, went to finally meet Bam from Kiss and other affiliated MPs (Honey Bee, Passion, Kiss 2, Absolute, the list goes on to make 7 shops). Apparently Kiss, Honey bee, and Passion are the busy 3. Do they have any good looking girls? Not in my experience. Hard to find any slim models. Bam was a big disappointment too, but not too unexpected. Nothing like the web pic at all. Not even close to the looks of a Bam I once knew at Plaza Soapy (Makkasan years ago). Not really a thick girl like most but well past her best at age about 30. Possible nose job, it looked strange enough to me. Never had a really good service at these shops so forget it. Might go for it, if girl was stunning, or even looked mischievous. LOL.

Did a quick survey of street walkers in Soi 4. Only managed to find one pretty enough to consider doing, really. Cheap girls but not much quality.

Moved on to buy some medication (past the petrol pump Charoen Pharmacy got 15 sheets of my medication for 225 Baht so 15 Baht for a sheet of 10) and then went in Billboard for a drink and a look. A lot of good bodies in there if you like skinny slim tall models (tall in high heels at least). So quite a few girls had body at least 8 out 10 as far as could tell with a bra on. Stand out girl was 810. A bit more meat on her tits and ass. Very curvy. Body scores 9 and face a 9 also. 816 and 818 looked quite good to me too but skinnier maybe scoring 8 and 8 (face and body). Met one of my Shark girls in there with a customer. She said she has not worked Shark bar for a month. Maybe has been booked out by her customer for full month. She is a saucy fun slim girl. Might consider trying 810 one day. Can anyone recommend? She looks just a little distant compared to most girls. 818 would be 2nd choice.

On way out of Soi 4 met the infamous Pin, ex Boss massage. Face not really that pretty scores 6 to 7, but she is very curvy (implants) and has a very cheeky mischievous look about her. I asked her how come she quit Boss. Says she gets a lot of Farangs on Soi 4, so makes more money, starting 6 pm. I guess Boss customers are mainly Asian and Asians would not pick Pin. She is clearly Farang type of choice.

Just before that met a tall girl street walker I used to do. Looks like a ladyboy, and needs a lot of makeup to make face look not too ravaged. I gave her away not because the sex wasn't good, just her face and body not up to standard and started to want more money because I am not a quick fuck.

Met some possibilities, but so few to challenge my regulars. No overheads for regulars come to visit me. Hope to get my Shark girl to visit privately as well. Managed to make contact again with ex regular from Crazy also yesterday. So some productive re hook-ups with old girls. My do list is slightly expanded, instead of continual shrinkage.

So my advice if you are a guy that does not get bored by super girls too easily, is collect the contacts for a set of really great super girls to come and visit you. Does not matter then if is a holiday and bars are closed. You are pretty much guaranteed to get good sessions. Most of my regulars, I have known for years. One or 2 possibilities to become regular from this year but not yet certain.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;2244914]
Angels and demons: Anyone who comes up to you with an offer of help, unasked, is probably a mild scammer. And there are many tales of spiked drinks, et cetera. But it's terribly overblown. The truth is that most people are genuinely friendly and Bangkok is probably safer than whereever you're coming from. Take care. The girl you're talking with might be in it just for the money, or even have plans to pick your pocket. [/QUOTE]I never met a girl that tried to pick my pocket. Ladyboys maybe. People offering help may well be serious scammers too, not good to play down this warning. Not all of them though. However if something seems to good to be true, then it is not true. If you are told it is your lucky day, best avoid. If offer to take you to somewhere great, best not go. If tell you your intended place is closed, it probably is not closed at all. I don't like to accept help unless I ask for it.

Biggest warning. Don't fall for a girl quick. Takes a very long time to really know someone. I met more than one guy who met their wife on first day in Thailand. LOL Some of these ended very badly. Girls meet guys for economic reasons.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2244926]You mentioned illegal pop up bars opening late night on North side of SUK in your report. According to the many recent reports I have read, these bars have been eliminated by the BIB over the last few years. [/QUOTE]There are a couple of dozen after closing time every night along Suk and around the corners on Soi 7, 7/1 and 11. The scene was still going strong when I was there at 3-4 am Generally it's not more than a card table, a couple of plastic chairs, some girls who are dying to meet you, and a cooler full of beer that's cheaper than you would have paid in a real bar. The police never really eliminate anything (your guess is as good as mine as to why) . The old night market along Sukhumvit may be "gone" but anywhere there's not an active business, somebody's going to be putting up tables and display racks and peddling T-shirts, sex toys and Kamagra jelly. A lot of that activity has been pushed around the corner onto a side street.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2245002]Biggest warning. Don't fall for a girl quick. Takes a very long time to really know someone. I met more than one guy who met their wife on first day in Thailand. LOL Some of these ended very badly. Girls meet guys for economic reasons.[/QUOTE]Yes! And it's so easy to fall for a woman who dotes on your every word, who fetches your drinks and rubs your back and really puts her heart and soul into making you happy. Next week she may be doing the same thing with someone else. Many people might say that means she's a bad person. Perhaps the truth is the opposite. Sisters of mercy, as Leonard Cohen called them. Whether such a person is a good choice for a long-term relationship may turn as much on your outlook as on hers.

There is a Pali word, mudita. It means sympathetic joy, the delight in another person's well-being. It is not mutually exclusive with self-interest.

Anyway, if there are angels and demons, most of us are a bit of both.

I have a AIS traveller SIM card from last year last used Feb. 5th 2018 is it still going to be good when I land if top up with min? Or will it be expired. ?any and all info would be appreciated, thanks.