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[QUOTE=Zhuren]The crackdown against shady visa operations, and the stricter enforcement of the rules has been going on for a while. The loophole of longer-term F visa is closed for most. It's generally viewed as a pre-Olympics cleanup operation.[/QUOTE]
Do you think this will change in the next two months? The thing is I have some business in China that was going to last four months and a one-way ticket there, wondering whether I should reduce it to 30 days instead and buy a return ticket now.
I'm an anarchist and hate every state, but this shit really adds to that feeling.
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[QUOTE=Phil1980]Do you think this will change in the next two months? The thing is I have some business in China that was going to last four months and a one-way ticket there, wondering whether I should reduce it to 30 days instead and buy a return ticket now.[/QUOTE]
It will most definitely NOT change within the next two months.
All you need to do is get a multiple entry visa. Go to HK for a day at the end of the 30 day period ... or, even better, to UB. Have some fun. Re-enter. Another 30day period.
"Business that lasts 4 months" sounds like WORK. If that's really the case, get real, get a Z Visa.
One way tiickets usually are a waste of money. Get a (much cheaper) return ticket, even if it means throwing away the other coupon.
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[QUOTE=Zhuren]All you need to do is get a multiple entry visa.[/QUOTE]
1. Do you need a visa to go to Mongolia? Hong Kong and Macau no visa is needed.
2. Are there short-term multiple entry visas? I know of two-time entry visas, multiple being more than two.
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[QUOTE=Phil1980]1. Do you need a visa to go to Mongolia? Hong Kong and Macau no visa is needed. .[/QUOTE]
Maybe, maybe not. Depends on who you are, where you come from, and what you are going to do: [url]http://www.un.int/mongolia/usvisa.htm[/url] - for US citizens only ....
Wait, you are German, you definitely need a visa: [url]http://www.botschaft-mongolei.de/PDFdaten/visa_antrag.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Phil1980]2. Are there short-term multiple entry visas? I know of two-time entry visas, multiple being more than two.[/QUOTE]
Yes. There are F visas with (M)ultiple entries. You used to have to work your ways towards them: Get a two entry F. Travel. Get another one. Travel. Say Hi to your consular officer who's seen you twice before now and say, as much as you like him, it would make things much easier if he'd issue you a (M)ultiple entry visa. You may be able to convince him now to give you a (M)ultiple with 90 days stay ... maybe, maybe not.
The process can be done & repeated in HK .....
Going back through your posts, it sounds as if you have been in China many times. If it was all legit, you should have worked your way up to a coveted F/M visa. On the other hand, someone with such vast knowledge of (and some strong opinions about) this country should know the simple rules of a Chinese visa. And rule #1 is: Don't use a visa agency. DIY.
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pricing
China is quiet simple in relation to sex, barber shops/saloon shope, RMB 150(some will say 200 when see foreigner by 150 is the going rate) in some areal wven down to RMB120 but RMB 150 is standard so not rel point in haggle. This will get you 1 shot, in the saloon in small cubical or delivered to your hotel, just carr your hotel card and write your room number on it. Languag friendly.
Sauna.
RMB 400 for 2-3 hours off ful attention, BJ in shower, full massage, full sex in various positions multimle times-as much as you can stand. Lots of new thinkgs can be tried, just say no if you don't like, ass licking, ice cues, ect. Ontop of this is the RMB 200 pending sauna establishment and their room type.
In 5star hotels the girls rate maybe from RMB 500 to RMB 800 with RMB 300+ for the room. Better quality girls
The there is 1 girl + assistant (3 girls) but only sex with one RMB 500 or RMB 600 with sex with both (prices changes pending single girl charge)
Then there is the RMB 50-100 extra for the taller girl (model) not reall model looks always.
Foot massage/body massage girls, you can get extras from them in the room or back in your hotel but not always helps if you know the ingo,
KTV, simply RMB 200 to sit with you in bar you can touch and get hard on nothing else- one shot RMB 500 overnight RMB 800 + the table/drink, usually there is min charge/table spend for the table or room.
KTV girls usually less experianced apart from the odd few- older ones aremoe fun.
Sauna on average girls have 6-12 cusomers per day, so to get the fresh girls, go 1st thing when they open or 1-2 pm, or get the slightly chubbier girls size 12 + as the locals go for the slimmer gire and the biggers girls are more egar to please, some will tyr to say extra for x2 sex no its all included in the price, if tey do this and your not happy, tell the mamasun the girl will get fined. Shes just after your wonga.
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[QUOTE=Officexp]China is quiet simple in relation to sex [/QUOTE]
Thank you for clearing that up.
Everybody also for sure is very grateful for the definitive pricing schedule that applies to all of China.
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[QUOTE=Zhuren]Thank you for clearing that up.
Everybody also for sure is very grateful for the definitive pricing schedule that applies to all of China.[/QUOTE]
Hehehe, maybe I should take a print-out with me and show the Sauna bosses here in Shanghai next time and claiming, that they are definitely not allowed to charge more than the ultimative prices fixed by Officexp (i might risk to find myself on the street very quickly, with a strong mark of their shoe sole on my butt).
Levitian
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[QUOTE=Officexp]China is quiet simple in relation to sex, barber shops/saloon shope, RMB 150(some will say 200 when see foreigner by 150 is the going rate) in some areal wven down to RMB120 but RMB 150 is standard so not rel point in haggle. This will get you 1 shot, in the saloon in small cubical or delivered to your hotel, just carr your hotel card and write your room number on it. Languag friendly.
Sauna.
RMB 400 for 2-3 hours off ful attention, BJ in shower, full massage, full sex in various positions multimle times-as much as you can stand. Lots of new thinkgs can be tried, just say no if you don't like, ass licking, ice cues, ect. Ontop of this is the RMB 200 pending sauna establishment and their room type.
In 5star hotels the girls rate maybe from RMB 500 to RMB 800 with RMB 300+ for the room. Better quality girls
The there is 1 girl + assistant (3 girls) but only sex with one RMB 500 or RMB 600 with sex with both (prices changes pending single girl charge)
Then there is the RMB 50-100 extra for the taller girl (model) not reall model looks always.
Foot massage/body massage girls, you can get extras from them in the room or back in your hotel but not always helps if you know the ingo,
KTV, simply RMB 200 to sit with you in bar you can touch and get hard on nothing else- one shot RMB 500 overnight RMB 800 + the table/drink, usually there is min charge/table spend for the table or room.
KTV girls usually less experianced apart from the odd few- older ones aremoe fun.
Sauna on average girls have 6-12 cusomers per day, so to get the fresh girls, go 1st thing when they open or 1-2 pm, or get the slightly chubbier girls size 12 + as the locals go for the slimmer gire and the biggers girls are more egar to please, some will tyr to say extra for x2 sex no its all included in the price, if tey do this and your not happy, tell the mamasun the girl will get fined. Shes just after your wonga.[/QUOTE]
Officexp - whilst your intentions are probably quite good - that of trying to simplify the pricing structure in China etc - I would like to point out that you are instead probably doing quite a bit of disservice to us punters - especially those 'newbies" (whether Newbie in the literal sense or a location newbie) - who are trying to find out what is the actual proper pricing. And I really hope that you do not think that I am flaming you etc. but I believe that someone does need to set the record straight.
Anyway....
China is a huge country and even within one particular locality - prices Vary and vary greatly! In just about every Chinese city, the prices for say a KTV would be anywhere from 1-3-7 to as high as 5-15-20, whilst saunas can vary from RMB138 FS (or even lower) at some grotty places to as high as 1,500 if you are not careful. BBS? Well, you can consider the catacombs at RMB30/shot to as high as RMB4 or even 500 at the more selexctive and upscale places in the major cities. And howzabout all 'em RMB3,000 mongolians that some punters in BJ pays?
In other words - pricing is all over the place and the only way to determine if you ARE getting the correct/fair pricing is to ALWAYS ask beforehand and even try to bargain it down a bit. And also, be VERY CAREFUL about going into rip off places i.e. thousand and tens of thousands for a few drinks, or one POP with a scam gal or worse, getting robbed whilst in the pursuit of nookie. and yes, scam, crime and whatever DOES also happen in China.
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Zhuren
[QUOTE=Zhuren]Thank you for clearing that up.
"Everybody also for sure is very grateful for the definitive pricing schedule that applies to all of China", Zhuren says with his tongue planted firmly in his cheek, ha ha ha.[/QUOTE]
Very good Zhuren, I love it
ES
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[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]...the prices for say a KTV would be anywhere from 1-3-7 to as high as 5-15-20[/QUOTE]
Stupid question:
When you post 1-3-7 and 5-15-20 I understand that this means 100 RMB, 200 RMB, and 700 RMB or 500 RMB, 1500 RMB, and 2000 RMB, but what are the service levels that go with each price?
Sammy
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[QUOTE=Sammy_T]Stupid question:
When you post 1-3-7 and 5-15-20 I understand that this means 100 RMB, 200 RMB, and 700 RMB or 500 RMB, 1500 RMB, and 2000 RMB, but what are the service levels that go with each price?
Sammy[/QUOTE]
1-3-7. = 100 to sit with you, 300 to go short time with you and 700 for overnight.
And BTW, us old guys in the past used to nicely refer to our choice of gals as being gold or wood fish. Gold fish - nice to look at, but cannot be eaten, wood fish (like the wooden fish that monks beat or "pok' upon when chanting) all for the "Pok"king or screwing. But no matter whether wood or gold fish, the 100 applies, whilst of course the 3-7 only applies to the wood fish. Just in case you guys are interested
SEAJ
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China pricing
Yes of course pricing does change from are to area and from establishment to establishment, I. E. If you go out ot he the country you will get better pricing, but I have just given a rough pricing for those who visit the areas where most foreigner would, not the countryside, there are a lot of newbies otu there and I don't want them being ripped off or paying over the odds to mess the pricing for others. Ofcourse if you get loew price its all the better and if you wana bargain its upto you.
Ohh so far when gone to sauna in hotel, or a sauna establishment, I have had the who range of girls come in, I. E. In batches of 6-7 about over 100 girls, if ther is ones I like I write htier numebr down then ask to call the best girls back, then pick, so far not had any trouble with doing that, dcos thye know I will be staying.
In may/June doing a 2 week vrip if neone intreasted of making a week of touring the scenes.
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doubtful
I am sorry but after your explanation I am more doubtful your post is useful to newbies as you state.
I agree with others that prices you mention do not show how China is simple in relation to sex.
In my opinion, China is simple in relation to sex because it is quite easy to find P4P sex, but as far as prices are concerned to me is a jungle as SE Asia Joe posted.
[QUOTE=Officexp]
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but I have just given a rough pricing for those who visit the areas where most foreigner would, not the countryside,
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[QUOTE=Albert Punter]I am sorry but after your explanation I am more doubtful your post is useful to newbies as you state.
I agree with others that prices you mention do not show how China is simple in relation to sex.
In my opinion, China is simple in relation to sex because it is quite easy to find P4P sex, but as far as prices are concerned to me is a jungle as SE Asia Joe posted.[/QUOTE]
I think OfficeXP is fantasizing and has no idea.
As far a the jungle goes: In the big cities, the dealings are usually professional. Each location has its price level. Sure, there are scams and the tourist tax. But the competition keeps prices under control.
Funnily enough, my biggest problems have been the smaller towns (a relative thing in China, a "small town" can have several million...) where foreigners are rare, and which aren't covered by ISG. After a late arrival in a strange city, the "health club" of the Chinese hotel we are staying in usually is the only option. We've seen the good, the bad, and the horrible there. I always travel with my Chinese Adjudant, a feisty Beijinger lady who's seen it all. She does the negotiations for me. More often than not, the local talent sees a laowei, and quotes outrageous prices. Whereupon my adjudant says, in snotty Beijinger dialect: "To fetch these prices, my dear, you would have to work VERY hard in Beijing, do things you've NEVER imagined, and honestly, with your looks, you wouldn't survive."
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travel with my Chinese Adjudant, a feisty Beijinger lady who's seen it all. She does the negotiations for me.
Zhuren, I seriously start to admire and envy you.
Levitian
