There's only one point of disagreement
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2665505]Yes, and the reason people are suckers for basing their vote on those and so many other Social / Culture War issues is because all of the things that have changed about America and the world would have happened no matter who you voted for. Those things happened and will continue to happen anyway. Get used to it. Get over it.
Eisenhower, Reagan, Clinton, Obama, Trump, doesn't matter. Nobody you vote for can hold back the tide of where democratic societies want to go, and will go, no matter what, sooner or later.
I suppose the move would be to eliminate democracy so people won't have a choice, maybe that will slow things down. That's what the Republican Party is trying desperately to do now.
We'll see.[/QUOTE]IMHO, the election of Obama changed the calculus. There are far too many white supremacists, fascists, racists and xenophobes in the USA who were livid that the US elected a person of color. They, of course, will deny it, but the simple fact remains that within days of Obama being elected, Moscow Mitch (at least I think it was him) said that he goal was to make Obama a one-term President. Ole' Moscow Mitch and other Republicans didn't say that when Clinton was elected and Republicans didn't say that when other Democrats were elected President.
The racists were incensed. They still are. And that's what brought us the last guy. IMHO, of course.
Potential Pandemic Viruses Can And Will Emerge Anywhere Anytime
[B]China creates a virus[/B]
Possibly. In this case, it isn't all that important where or how it got started, because:
[B]Trump Is THE World Leader Who Converted It Into The Pandemic It Became[/B]
And only the dumbest people in the world think dismantling the acknowledged critical Pandemic Prevention and Response Systems from the very place where, sure enough, the first notable outbreak occurred, against all expert advice and warnings not to do something so dangerous and stupid, then pocketing the intel on its spread for self-serving reasons, claiming the known to him deadly characteristics of it were a Hoax then spending the next critical months mocking the known effective mitigation efforts and a year trying to convince everyone listening to him not to bother inventing a vaccine for it or taking one because it is disappearing already and "will go away without a vaccine", all as the President of the United States of. America, would not see his direct and most influential contribution to converting what very likely could and would have been the kind of Preventable and manageable regional outbreak that occurs somewhere in the world all the time into the Trump's Pandemic it became.
There is no more incriminating timeline and documented sequence of one disastrous decision after another going all the way back to 2018 of a high profile or world leader doing exactly that than there is for Trump.
There certainly isn't one for Fauci. There isn't even one as bad as Trump's for China's own Xi!
No wonder the numbskulls who can't or refuse to see the blatantly inarguable documented facts of it continue to vote for Great Repub Crashes, Recessions and Massive Job Losses over and over and over again expecting a different result.
IMHO, a slightly different assessment, if I may
[QUOTE=PVMonger;2665597]IMHO, the election of Obama changed the calculus. There are far too many white supremacists, fascists, racists and xenophobes in the USA who were livid that the US elected a person of color. They, of course, will deny it, but the simple fact remains that within days of Obama being elected, Moscow Mitch (at least I think it was him) said that he goal was to make Obama a one-term President. Ole' Moscow Mitch and other Republicans didn't say that when Clinton was elected and Republicans didn't say that when other Democrats were elected President.
The racists were incensed. They still are. And that's what brought us the last guy. IMHO, of course.[/QUOTE]I get your point and agree with you that there was something about Obama being POTUS that drove the winger Repubs more bonkers and anarchical than ever before.
The Repubs might not have had for Carter, Clinton and other Dems that inaugural night meeting pledging to unanimously oppose every Obama effort to pull us out of that particular Great Repub Crash, Recession and Massive Job Destruction as Moscow Mitch called to order on Obama's inaugural night. But they tried to make every Dem a one term president.
The difference here was, yes, Obama was a black man and therefore it was more important to Kentucky Moscow Mitch than ever not to leave one stone unturned or neglect to have any meeting that might inspire the way to accomplish that goal.
Why?
Was it because the election of a black man drove them insane? Nope. That had already happened. In those pre-Trump days, it had not yet occurred to them to storm the Capitol, attack and kills some cops and try to overturn a free and fair American election.
Besides, Obama getting elected at that moment in history didn't really bother Repubs and wingers all that much. I even know several who pride themselves in having voted for Obama in 2008. Partially as fake evidence that, see, they are not racist.
But a greater reason they were not all that bothered about Obama getting elected at that particular point in time, 2008, is directly connected to what DID drive them further insane about him being POTUS.
See, Bush2 and his Reaganite Repub policies had produced such a colossal mess of everything across the board, to such an historic extent that they were actually happy to have the first black guy take over right smack in the middle of it crashing down around our ears, FAIL to fix and clean up the mess and consequently not only be a one term Dem but the very last black POTUS as well.
However, history shows what happened instead was something that no winger Repubs who voted for Obama for the aforementioned reasons and something that turned out to be inaugural night meeting arranger Kentucky Moscow Mitch and his fellow Repubs' worst nightnare come true:
What happened was Obama fixed and cleaned up their mess in historic fashion. And THAT is the thing about Obama, the first black man, being POTUS that drove the winger Repubs over the cliff into total, America-hating insanity.
It wasn't so much that he got elected. It was that, despite the colossal challenges and problems they dumped in his lap and all that Repub unanimity to obstruct and thwart his every effort to clean up their biggest pre-Trump mess yet, Obama more than met the challenges and was a great President.
Anatomy of a crackpot's logical construct
[QUOTE=Canada;2665675]
1. Why do you contradict Elvis's facts with your lies.
2. Do you realize that non of your replies were even half truths?
3. They are blatant lies.
4. Only a complete fool would think that even one of your statements was true.
5. Keep ignoring the facts like the rest of the socialists. Americans are waking up.
6. They are not going to stand for the democrats hatred of America, wokeness, open borders, inflation and increased crime.
7. You can ignore inflation and crime like Biden does but it does not go away unless you do something about it.
8. Republicans will do something when America votes put these socialists.[/QUOTE]Logical construct is a method to explain one's theory by combining established facts and various data in a straightforward, orderly way.
Anyone who doesn't think that OP's logical construct belongs a 10-year old child please explain why.
