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[B]29 busted, massive fine threatened after Pattaya sex party[/B]
[QUOTE]Banglamung District officials and Pattaya police stormed the Ban Tulip Hotel April 21, finding 14 couples having group sex and exchanging partners during the swingers party they paid 1,500 baht each to attend. Rooms were scattered with condoms, lubricant, sexual enhancement drugs and sex toys.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/29-busted-massive-fine-threatened-pattaya-sex-party-208911[/URL]
[QUOTE=Explorer8939;3086246]I have a larger rotation, although not every lady is available all the time. I pay 2000 baht + taxi fare for what is usually 3 hours. Some ladies sleep over. I only go without condom with low volume ladies (mostly civvies).[/QUOTE]I never figure you to be like our mega poster who always claims he fucks more, pays less and often fucks for free.
But I have to give a hat tip to you for having a bigger rotation than me. What next you going to ask for measurements? You going to tell me your girls always have 1 to 3 orgasms when they are with you (mine sometimes). You going to tell me you stopped eating pussy? You going to tell me the girls in my rotation have Thai Boyfriends and Husbands when I know for a fact that they do not?
It should be noted the girl in my rotation make time for me. Never been a time I requested to see one of them and they were not available. In fact, they want to see me more than I want to see them. I'd prefer put work in on my screens and get paid!
In plain language and without question.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3085529]Everyone can already see why you are so adamant to find out where my dick has been regarding P4 P, what I might have learned and can share here about P4 P in Mira Club or somewhere else, what all of us can tell you about where the "hos" engaging in the exchange of sex for money can be found and on and on.[/QUOTE]Exactly what was your problem with my post about [U]Mira[/U] the club that I actually provided information on my experience when I went into to the club, but you were looking at the club from the outside and watching YouTube videos about it?
Do you have any proof that I have ever did this?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3085529]I would also suggest anyone else on this ISG Forum to be very, very cautious about sharing positive info about those things here as well. Unless you don't mind anti non-criminal prostitution zealots like [B]SubCmdr[/B] using that information to continue doing what he has time and time again proven himself to be driven to do; [u]to alert the authorities publicly here and possibly privately as well that he sees it as "not legal", effectively lodging a complaint and joining every other such zealots out there to demand the Thai police investistigate, monitor and potentially shut it down even if they eventually never find a law that has been broken[/u].[/QUOTE]Maybe you didn't understand me when I posted information on: Sections 326-333.
Defamation in Thailand is primarily governed by Sections 326-333 of the Thai Criminal Code, which criminalize acts that impair another person's reputation. Section 326 defines basic defamation as [I]imputing anything to a third person in a manner likely to expose the victim to hatred or scorn,[/I] punishable by imprisonment of up to one year or a fine of up to 20,000 Baht.
Aggravated defamation, known as Section 328 (Defamation by Publication), applies when the offense is committed [U]via documents, films, broadcasts, or online platforms[/U]. This carries heavier penalties of imprisonment not exceeding two years and a fine not exceeding 200,000 Baht.
[B]EihTooms[/B] can consider himself informed along with all other [B]International Tricks[/B] unfamiliar with the laws in Thailand.
Is that in plain enough language for you!
[B]Check Ball![/B]
I was going to quit posting. As you have seen I have been taking a withering beat down from Senior Members. They are tapping out, tapping in, ganging up, calling for back up. But then, I got a message from a brother who told me that they had found some of the information I shared outside of the RANTS thread useful and that I should keep up the good work. That was all I needed to realize that there is no information to be found here in the RANTS threads. It my mind it does not serve the purpose of ISG. I will let the pedantic mother fuck quoted it completely and correctly for you.
My real work remains outside of the RANTS thread. Which curiously no one takes issue with the information I am providing about Bangkok and Thailand except for one totally fucked up in the head [B]Senior Member[/B].
[QUOTE]We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.
Delivered at the House of Commons on 4 June 1940 by [b]Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill[/b][/QUOTE]
So, the SubCmdr took a quote from one of my posts entitled "The Effect of Geopolitical Events on Oil Prices on Airline Tickets" in the American Politics thread that had nothing to do with his prostitution rants in this particular thread and then he used my quote in the Rants thread to bolster whatever he is trying to bolster here. You are very dishonest and confused, Mr. Sub, and I honestly believe you are having a mental breakdown. Maybe it is time you to take a break from you hyper posting and personal attacks so you can compose yourself a little and get your head straight.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3086132]I thought that [B]prostitution is illegal in Thailand[/B] was more or less obvious if you read the law and understood the English Language. But the law is not written in the English Language or plain language. It is legal language, written in the Thai Language.
If you want to believe that a non-Thai citizen, non-member of the Thai bar knows more than they do that is fine with me. But let me remind you that in the history of ISG no one has ever produced a legal opinion from a member of the bar in Thailand that says [B]prostitution is legal[/B] in Thailand. This is and remains a undisputed fact. Until someone does that they they are just offering up their lay opinion. Which is the same thing I am doing as I am not a Thai citizen nor a member of the bar in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Proof:
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3086040]I thought this was more or less obvious, but perhaps I was wrong, so let me explain these variables using myself as a real-life example.
1. So, I was in Sao Paulo in May & June 2026 having a real good time with my branca mistress every night and hitting the SP clinicas every other afternoon for a little variety. But then I started thinking it was a fucking long time since I was in the LOS, and I kind of missed the place.
2. But the Iran War was kicking up a fuss (the interruption of gulf oil tanker flow) and WTI (West Texas Intermediate) crude oil prices had gone over $100/ barrel. I knew that would have a negative effect on Airline tickets to BKK, but I took a look see anyway and yep, prices were sky high, so I put my idea on hold.
3. In July I was back home in the free state of Florida (mango season) and all the news was about a possible deal between the USA and the Mullahs and WTI (crude oil) prices were back around $72/ barrel, so I took a look at Airline ticket prices to BKK again and guess what? They had gone down more than the price of crude. I guessed that demand for air travel and declined substantially when oil was above $100 and had not picked up sufficiently YET since oil was back under $75/ barrel and thus the airlines' nonlinear profit maximizing algorithms were telling the airlines to lower their seat price to sell a bunch of tickets and stimulate demand. In other words, I saw an opportunity to get what I wanted, a ticket to BKK as part of an around the world series of flights at a really good price.
4. So, I started shopping around for tickets to fly from MIA to GRU to BKK to FLL. The cheapest flights from GRU to BKK changed planes in the Gulf. The next cheapest flights changed planes in Istanbul. And the most expensive flights, although historically still a pretty good, changed flights in Paris or Amsterdam, or Germany. There were no transpacific flights from GRU to BKK. I knew instantly the Emirates were too risky no matter how cheap it was. The Istanbul route was the most reasonable and made a lot of sense, but what got me to pay up for one of the most expensive route was that GRU to AMS was on KLM and the connecting flight to BKK was Thai Airlines (always a favorite of mine and usually too expensive to consider), but not this time, so I booked GRU to BKK with KLM / Thai. And I also booked separately all the other necessary flights my travel plans required, all at a very good prices thanks to the prevailing momentary view that Iran and the USA were close to a deal and the airlines were offering big bargains to stimulate demand as a result.
5. So, guess what: the Mullahs and the USA did not reach a deal, and it looks like Trump is going to wipe them off the face of the planet after the November elections. Anyway, this is the current worldwide opinion and whether it foretells the future or not, WTI crude oil prices are back up to $100/ barrel AND Airline tickets to BKK are super expensive again. Quelle surprise!
6. Thus, this is my best advice to all ISG punters who want to visit BKK or Pattaya, or CGK or MNL and do not have airline tickets: Relax and take it easy. Oil prices will go back to the $70 range once the world has a better idea of what is going to happen in the Gulf. Trump and the Mullahs may reach a deal and then oil prices will fall big time. Trump and the Mullahs may not reach a deal in which case Trump will hit the Iranian infrastructure and wipe out their electric grid. Oil may go higher after that in the short run, but eventually the regime will crumble and when it does oil prices will drop below $70/ barrel and airline tickets to BKK will be offered at bargain basement prices for a short time thereafter.
7. So, buckle your seatbelts, it may be a bumpy ride, but eventually everything will be ok. In the meantime, Americans who want to get their dick's wet should go to Tijuana or Costa Rica, or Cartagena for some fun and you Europeans should stay put and enjoy your FKK's. Me, I played the game pretty good even if I do say so myself, so I will be with the Missus in Sao Paulo in October and do my long-awaited BIG TRIP starting in early March 2027 in Sao Paulo and then landing in BKK right after Songkran.
I understand that we all enjoy shagging pretty girls, but at the same time I think we all should keep in mind that there ARE more important issues at hand. Getting rid of this terrorist regime in Iran will give the entire middle east a chance at a new way of living without killing and terrorizing each other. Think what it would be like to fly into Teheran one day and have great times in some nightclubs with the local girls. 555/ KKK.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3086334]5. So, guess what: the Mullahs and the USA did not reach a deal, and it looks like Trump is going to wipe them off the face of the planet after the November elections. Anyway, this is the current worldwide opinion and whether it foretells the future or not, WTI crude oil prices are back up to $100/ barrel AND Airline tickets to BKK are super expensive again. Quelle surprise!
Proof:[/QUOTE]Maybe that's what's happening in the (Dis) USA. My experience is quite the opposite. In the last month tickets to BKK have fallen 50-100€, while oil has surged.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3086286][B]29 busted, massive fine threatened after Pattaya sex party[/B]
[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/29-busted-massive-fine-threatened-pattaya-sex-party-208911[/URL][/QUOTE]Great! Another report that serves as a perfect example for no arrests "for prostitution", as in the mere exchange of money for sex among consenting adults, and instead for other things. LOL. And you had to go all the way back to 2018 to find it for me.
Thanks:
[B]29 busted, massive fine threatened after Pattaya sex party
May 4, 2018[/B]
[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/29-busted-massive-fine-threatened-pattaya-sex-party-208911[/URL]
[QUOTE]Police arrested 28 naked foreigners and Thais in a raid of sex party at an [b]illegal hotel[/b] in Pattaya.
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The hotel, featuring 30 rooms and a play zone spread over a rai of property, has been open for five years, [b]but was never licensed.[/b]
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Pattaya police have asked Banglamung District Chief Naris Niramaiwong to close the hotel and after calculating the fines and per-day penalties for such an offense, recommend to Chon*buri Province that owner, Chinese national Xeng-chai Yang, 53, be fined 18 million baht.
He also was arrested and additionally faces charges of[b] offering sexual services, public indecency, encouraging public indecency, and operating an illegal sex business.[/b]
[B]Staffers were forced to serve the swinging guests hot tea, clean up their mess and even join in the sex games,[/b] Naris said.
The district chief added that the hotel had [b]openly advertised its weekend sex parties on the internet, but admitted authorities remained oblivious to it until receiving a complaint.[/b][/QUOTE]Yes, as I have warned you before, don't patronize publicly-advertized illegal prostitution establishments, don't force anyone to participate in your prostitution party and don't do your naughty business openly in front of the hotel staff. Oh, and if you are thinking of running a commercial sex for money / prostitution establishment, be prepared to get busted and fined.
However, as you can see in your linked report, you and any other consenting adults who are exchanging sex for money behind closed doors will not get busted for that. Therefore, avoid the prostitution-related violations clearly cited in your report and you and your party have not done anything illegal or a crime in Thailand.
But I've got to ask; did you know that report would only support my contentions about prostitution and refute yours when you found it and posted it or did you just learn about that now?
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3086324]In plain language and without question.
Exactly what was your problem with my post about [U]Mira[/U] the club that I actually provided information on my experience when I went into to the club, but you were looking at the club from the outside and watching YouTube videos about it?
Do you have any proof that I have ever did this?
Maybe you didn't understand me when I posted information on: Sections 326-333.
Defamation in Thailand is primarily governed by Sections 326-333 of the Thai Criminal Code, which criminalize acts that impair another person's reputation. Section 326 defines basic defamation as [I]imputing anything to a third person in a manner likely to expose the victim to hatred or scorn,[/I] punishable by imprisonment of up to one year or a fine of up to 20,000 Baht.
Aggravated defamation, known as Section 328 (Defamation by Publication), applies when the offense is committed [U]via documents, films, broadcasts, or online platforms[/U]. This carries heavier penalties of imprisonment not exceeding two years and a fine not exceeding 200,000 Baht.
[B]EihTooms[/B] can consider himself informed along with all other [B]International Tricks[/B] unfamiliar with the laws in Thailand.
Is that in plain enough language for you!
[B]Check Ball![/B][/QUOTE][B]SubCmdr[/B], if you don't want to be hated and scorned by members of this Forum maybe you should stop defaming, impairing the reputation of and imputing in a manner likely to expose every other member of ISG to hatred and scorn by continually and repeatedly asserting on this online platform that what virtually every one of us post about regarding the mere exchange of money for sex with consenting adults age 18 and older in Thailand "is not legal in Thailand" and therefore makes all of us sex criminals?
Otherwise, you might find yourself the target of a class-action complaint to the authorities for precisely the Sections of the Thai Criminal Code that you have so generously cited and more than once. That's a lot of members here who have admitted to what you continually and repeatedly in post after post try to make a case for the powers that be in Thailand to arrest, charge, prosecute and sentence us for being sex criminals.
Which, if you succeed in your apparent mission to accomplish exactly that, is a hell of a lot more defaming and impairing to the reputation of everyone on this Forum than simply pointing out what you are literally telling the world on this public online platform about us, our behavior and our activities in post after post.
What were those Sections again? Oh yes. Has everyone made a note of that? Keep it handy.
Bro, I would exchange information with you if I had any. I have only been in [U]Tulips[/U] one time to look around. My tour guide says you can make any request as long as you do it privately and discreetly. There was a line up of 8 girls. Two that I liked. But the tour was not over and I much more to see. With the exception of [U]Tulips[/U] none of the places I was shown have ever been covered here on ISG. I know this for sure because named searched and I was the first person to mention [U]Mira[/U]. Then a senior member has a problem with my post a month after I made it.
[QUOTE=WithNailAndI;3086393]Thanks for the facetious reply, hope it made you feel better as you obviously need cheering up. Not sure what I did to offend you but attitudes & replies like yours are perhaps why ISG is losing it's appeal to a huge number of punters. You've made a snap-judgement without knowing ANY of the facts or history. Commenting that it's confusing & annoying is just a personal statement & not some sort of edict that you seem to be implying I'm making.
I have commented plenty of times in the past and share my experiences so it's not like I don't contribute & hope this is a two-way street for the sharing of information, that is what a forum is after all, correct? Secondly please point to where I was expecting a swarm of answers, I clearly didn't / don't. Likewise your comment that you suggest public flogging for insolence is not only infantile & uncalled for but a very bad attempt at humour (stick to you day-job if you have one?
Lastly, this is not my first rodeo & I've been to BKK many times so I know how the system works etc, but I'm older & wiser now & rather than running round BKK (during monsoon season no less) & getting BOTG, I was hoping (obviously incorrectly) that fellow punters may share some basic info that would improve my chances of finding exactly what I'm looking for & allow for a better personal experience. I'm sorry that is such a BIG ask in your opinion.[/QUOTE]I am glad you decided to push back. You have nailed it. Senior members have lost what it means to [I]exchange information[/I]. Check out the attitude of this Senior member:
[QUOTE=EihTooms;3085529]Now I am so glad I didn't keep you updated on those specifics here because you have made it abundantly clear in plain language that your mission is to do and say whatever possible to get these "not legal" in your mind activities and participants arrested, indicted, sentenced and shut down even if the law can't find a Citation or Section in any legal document to apply against them. I won't hand you ammunition in this obvious mission of yours. I value the good places and ladies that have facilitated great P4 P experiences for me in Thailand too much.
[u]I would also suggest anyone else on this ISG Forum to be very, very cautious about sharing positive info about those things here as well[/u][/QUOTE]So there you have it in plain language. I don't know how other Senior members feel about his statement. But no one else has pushed back against it. I am a senior member and I continue to [U]exchange information[/U]. A ISG brother wrote to ask me for the profile names of the new 18 and 19 year olds on [U]Thai Friendly[/U]. I sent them to him most ricky tick. They are not my girls just my turn. Some senior members have yet to learn this.
Are you aware [B]WithNailAndI[/B] that not a single member of the bar in Thailand has ever given a legal opinion that prostitution in Thailand is legal?
On a personal note: I'll meet any Senior Member at the [U]Bus Bar[/U], in Tree Town, Pattaya, Thailand if they wish to serve me court papers. Not concerned about it because I keep a Thai Attorney on retainer. But you better have your health insurance paid up. Make sure you are not writing a check that your ass can't cash. Because I will have a golf wedge in my hand. I like to practice my short game and afterwards have a drink. That is why I will have it with me.
[B]ROTFLMAO![/B]
Those saying [B]Prostitution is Legal[/B] in Thailand are making a legally unsound and intellectually dishonest argument. My push back against it has been met with [B]ad hominem[/B] attacks and defamatory statements. Let's start a the core:
[B]Prevention And Suppression Of Prostitution Act B.E. 2539 (1996)[/B]
[U]Definitions[/U]
[QUOTE][b]Section 4[/b]
In this Act,
[b]prostitution[/b] means sexual intercourse, or any other act, or the commission of any other act in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person in a promiscuous manner in return for earning or any other benefit, irrespective of whether the person who accepts the act and the person who commits the act are of the same sex or not;
[b]prostitution establishment[/b] means a place established for prostitution or in which the prostitution is allowed, and shall include a place used for soliciting or procuring another person for prostitution;[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][b]Section 5.[/b]
Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, introduces herself or himself to, follows or importunes a person in a street, public place or any other place, which is committed openly and shamelessly or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht.[/QUOTE][U]What does it mean to solicit for prostitution?[/U]
Solicitation of prostitution is requesting, agreeing to pay, or negotiating for sexual services in exchange for money or something of value, even if no actual sexual act occurs. *.
[B]Section 5[/B] can apply to the Prostitute or the Trick.
[QUOTE][b]Section 6.[/b]
Any person who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution of oneself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one month or to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht or to both. If the offence under paragraph one is committed on account of compulsion or under an influence which cannot be avoided or resisted, the offender is not guilty.[/QUOTE][U]What is a prostitution establishment?[/U]
[QUOTE][b]prostitution establishment[/b] means a place established for prostitution or [u]in which the prostitution is allowed, and shall include a place used for soliciting or procuring another person for prostitution;[/u][/QUOTE]That is a pretty wide definition. I can walk out my door and into a [U]prostitution establishment[/U] in under five minutes. There is no signage. There are no markings. There are no advertisements. But I know EXACTLY what can be done in the location. And so does everyone else. Including the police. But as it has been established in previous posts I have made, all law enforcement is selective. The same way as the nominee laws are now being selectively enforced.
[B]Section 6[/B] I have been told that this occurs all the time inside of in person venues all over Thailand. Most tricks have a out and so do the prostitutes. It's called ALCOHOL.
[QUOTE]If the offence under paragraph one is committed on account of compulsion or under an influence which cannot be avoided or resisted, the offender is not guilty.[/QUOTE]I have just covered how prostitution is actually engaged in Thailand. The hypotheticals I have been given are unrealistic. How do I know? Because when I ask for a real example on ISG where prostitution was engaged that was legal, no example could be found or given. If it is as certain Senior Members like to say, then giving an example puts no one in legal jeopardy now does it?
[B]Period! Full Stop![/B]
[I]Did you know that in the entire history of ISG no one has ever produced a legal opinion from a member of the bar that says prostitution is legal in Thailand?[/I]
Sweet Jesus! This is like two ticks arguing over who owns the freaking dog, and this sounds like a two year old ready to take his ball home because he can't be captain of the team.
Different opinions I get, but this argument is functionally pointless. When was the last time some dude got arrested for bar fining a gal from a club?
Can we at least move on to argue about something useful, like the definition of "is?
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3086405]Those saying [B]Prostitution is Legal[/B] in Thailand are making a legally unsound and intellectually dishonest argument. My push back against it has been met with [B]ad hominem[/B] attacks and defamatory statements. Let's start a the core:
[B]Prevention And Suppression Of Prostitution Act B.E. 2539 (1996)[/B]
[U]Definitions[/U]
[U]What does it mean to solicit for prostitution?[/U]
Solicitation of prostitution is requesting, agreeing to pay, or negotiating for sexual services in exchange for money or something of value, even if no actual sexual act occurs. *.
[B]Section 5[/B] can apply to the Prostitute or the Trick.
[U]What is a prostitution establishment?[/U]
That is a pretty wide definition. I can walk out my door and into a [U]prostitution establishment[/U] in under five minutes. There is no signage. There are no markings. There are no advertisements. But I know EXACTLY what can be done in the location. And so does everyone else. Including the police. But as it has been established in previous posts I have made, all law enforcement is selective. The same way as the nominee laws are now being selectively enforced.
[B]Section 6[/B] I have been told that this occurs all the time inside of in person venues all over Thailand. Most tricks have a out and so do the prostitutes. It's called ALCOHOL.
I have just covered how prostitution is actually engaged in Thailand. The hypotheticals I have been given are unrealistic. How do I know? Because when I ask for a real example on ISG where prostitution was engaged that was legal, no example could be found or given. If it is as certain Senior Members like to say, then giving an example puts no one in legal jeopardy now does it?
[B]Period! Full Stop![/B]
[I]Did you know that in the entire history of ISG no one has ever produced a legal opinion from a member of the bar that says prostitution is legal in Thailand?[/I][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3086405]Those saying [B]Prostitution is Legal[/B] in Thailand are making a legally unsound and intellectually dishonest argument. My push back against it has been met with [B]ad hominem[/B] attacks and defamatory statements. Let's start a the core:[/QUOTE][B]"In a promiscuous manner"[/B] Even the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act of 1996 goes to extraordinary measures to make sure anyone reading its plain language on the topic understands that their definition of "prostitution" does not, repeat, does not mean the discreet exchange of money for sex or sex for money between consenting adults to be engaged in private but instead only applies to that act being committed "in a promiscuous manner."
That's why no consenting adult has ever in the known history of Thailand been busted "for prostittion" based on any section of that Act unless it conforms to that Act's very narrow and specific yet also plain language definition of it.
Thanks for providing the specific official document quote that clarifies it, supports my contention about it and utterly refutes yours. The same as that attorney in Thailand did whose text and video clip you posted on the topic previously. So that's two cases of documented proof that I am stating my case accurately and you are not. Got anymore?
And since you have now decided that a "prostitution establishment" by your definition of it but most certainly not by the Act's definition of it could mean anywhere and everywhere that you claim to "know" a solicitation for that "in a promiscuous manner" form of prostitution could have and must have taken place, are you also now offering your services to the Thai Justice Department as an expert witness on the topic to help it win a case against every hotel owner, restaurant owner, bar owner, nightclub owner, apartment complex owner, massage shop owner, sex worker, customer, ISG member, etc, etc, etc that it is apparently your mission on this public online platform of ISG to impair the reputation of, subject to hatred and scorn and get shutdown, arrested, charged, convicted and sentenced for committing sex crimes, [B]SubCmdr[/B]?
[QUOTE=BMoreDog69;3086421]Sweet Jesus! This is like two ticks arguing over who owns the freaking dog, and this sounds like a two year old ready to take his ball home because he can't be captain of the team.
Different opinions I get, but this argument is functionally pointless. When was the last time some dude got arrested for bar fining a gal from a club?
Can we at least move on to argue about something useful, like the definition of "is?[/QUOTE]Combined, these two guys have almost 15,500 posts. To me, that means they can discuss pretty much what they want, as often as they want.
I'm curious, how does this negatively affect your life? It can't be that just because you're annoyed, people here should stop doing what they want to do.
I just quoted the law and offered my opinion (as a lay person). I did not write the law. No one in the history of ISG has ever presented a legal opinion from a member of the bar that [I]prostitution is legal[/I] in Thailand. That remains a undisputed fact. How do I know? Because if I was wrong about that someone would have presented it to me by now.
[U]Useful input?[/U]
[QUOTE=BMoreDog69;3086421][b]Different opinions I get[/b], but this argument is functionally pointless. When was the last time some dude got arrested for bar fining a gal from a club?[/QUOTE]If you actually want to add to the discussion, give your opinion or tell me why it it has not happened that [I]some dude got arrested for bar fining a gal from a club?[/I]. I do not have access to all the history or court records in Thailand. I cannot prove the absolute [U]non-existence[/U] of this with infinite certainty. Unless you can tell me that you have reviewed those records.
Before the enforcement actions started against nominee structures in Thailand, for nearly 20 years you could have asked the exact same question about those who controlled real assets and businesses using those structures. Talk to the people who have been arrested lately. Let me know what you found out.
[U]How does prostitution actually occur in Thailand?[/U]
If you go into a bar. Have a drink with a girl. Make small talk. Then bar fine her. Your hypothetical situation applies. But who does that? Have you ever done that [B]BMoreDog69[/B]? You bar fine girls and never have a discussion about prostitution with them?
[U]Definitions[/U]
[QUOTE][b]Section 4[/b]
In this Act,
[b]prostitution establishment[/b] means a place established for prostitution or in which the prostitution is allowed, and shall include a place used for [u]soliciting[/u] or procuring another person for prostitution;[/QUOTE][U]What does it mean to solicit for prostitution?[/U]
[B]Solicitation of prostitution:[/B] is [U]requesting, agreeing to pay, or negotiating for sexual services in exchange for money or something of value[/U], even if no actual sexual act occurs.
You can either read the law, comprehend the law, interpret the law, and think for yourself. Which is what I choose to do. Or you can let a Senior Member lay person tell you what the law says. I am not trying to do that. I am giving my opinion as a lay person. Everyone is allowed to offer up their opinion as a lay person. You only create a problem for yourself if you are giving advice to others. I am only writing my opinion on how I see the law in Thailand. [I]My [b]opinion[/b] holds no dominion over the actions and opinions of another grown man[/I].
[B]Eyes wide open my brother![/B]
[U]It should be noted[/U]:
I am just giving my opinion (as a lay person) of the law after I have read it. No one is forced to read or reply to any of my posts. Many have announced they have me on ignore. I thank them for not wasting my time. Since I no longer have to read nonsensical responses from those individuals to my posts.
[QUOTE=BMoreDog69;3086421]Sweet Jesus! This is like two ticks arguing over who owns the freaking dog, and this sounds like a two year old ready to take his ball home because he can't be captain of the team.
Different opinions I get, but this argument is functionally pointless. When was the last time some dude got arrested for bar fining a gal from a club?
Can we at least move on to argue about something useful, like the definition of "is?[/QUOTE]Why would you want to stifle [B]SubCmdr's[/B] ongoing success in proving over and over again with documented evidence and news reports that my contention about a major aspect of this entire InternationalSexGuide Forum, the mere agreement to engage in and exchange sex for money, money for sex, otherwise understood to be prostitution, among consenting adults is not a crime and punishable by any penalty whatsoever?
That lack of illegality and its non criminal risk for something central and important to virtually every poster and reader of ISG is one of the rare wonderful gifts to mongers all over the world and should be celebrated, appluaded and appreciated at every opportunity for the freedom it offers all of us in Thailand. How great it is that any International Punter / Monger can take his consenting 18 year old or older adult lady to his hotel room for P4 P sex without the slightest worry that a police sting operation will intercept and bust them along the way, in the room or afterwards!
Granted, [B]SubCmdr's[/B] inadvertent and surely unintentional contribution to making its wonderful non criminal characteristics in Thailand known to everyone by constantly and repeatedly trashing that and mischaracterizing that special gift of freedom and pleasure provided by Thailand while instead only providing more and more evidence of its non criminal characteristics while also putting him in the unenviable position of being liable for a potential lawsuit from every ISG member for imparing our reputation, defamaing us and making us targets of hatred, scorn and even false arrest with his unsupported claims that we are all engaged in what is "not legal in Thailand" and therefore committing sex crimes.
But, hey, some people just can't handle being gifted with such freedom and lack of P4P risk by an entire country that also has very good food, restaurants, nightclubs, hotel and residence accommodations, entertainment venues, cultural sites and so on. However, the rest of us shouldn't be denied his incomparable though inadvertent and unintentional contribution to getting the accurate word out about it. Well, with my and other posters' help, that is.
Of course, you and anyone else is always welcome to post a different topic in this thread that might be more important and pertinent to a central interest of virtually every member of ISG anytime. If you can think of one.