Phnom Penh

When entering the bar, you get surrounded by 7 or 9 beauties, a warm welcome.

However I prefer a slim beauty, but like this, you can not mark the slim from the chubby ones.

So I ordered a beer, thought give it some time so I can choose better.

No way, all the ladies stayed wrapped around me, all trying to get my attention.

Finally, picked a pretty face, gave her a drink.

I know I don't have to give her I drink, but it offers some get-to-know time, some decency.

1st surprise:

I never ask the lady how much she wants; I offer myself. Asked if she agreed on 20 usd ST. She could not, 40 dollars would do. Gave her a surprised look, but she held on her 40 dollar.

Then, the yes or no is up to me, I will not discuss for 5 or 10 dollar discount. Keep it nice and friendly, even I know I overpay.

2nd surprise:

Asked for the bill, 17 dollar. Guess barfine included. Took the change, and 3-4 girls started shouting tip-tip-tip!

Never saw this in Cambodia, never payed any 'tip' as expected in Thailand. I gave 1 dollar tip.

3rd surprise:

Not a room upstairs, had to go out, a 5 minutes walk, payed 7 dollars for a room.

4th surprise:

Gave her the 40 dollar but she wanted 2 dollar extra for motorbike taxi.

Damage: 17 + 1 + 7 + 40 + 2: 67 dollars.

Think I better stick to the freelancers as in Martinis, Walkabout or Sharky. Many available for 15 usd, I always give 20. Sometimes they stay till morning, despite the agreement on ST.

The girl was good, but not worth the triple price. For me, LE Cyrcee is a place to miss. I don't care I payed to much, they can do that once: I won't go back, they will not see me anymore.

Have to remember a rule: never enter an empty restaurant. If no one inside, get out.

Indeed, I was the only customer at that time.

[QUOTE=Nokbkk;2005903]
Think I better stick to the freelancers as in Martinis, Walkabout or Sharky. Many available for 15 usd, I always give 20. [/QUOTE]Where are these places and what are the best hours to visit them? Are the girls as hot as the top Street 104 girls?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2006017]Where are these places and what are the best hours to visit them? Are the girls as hot as the top Street 104 girls?[/QUOTE]Martinis used to be a great FL venue I used to visit every trip, but I'm pretty sure I remember reading that it had closed down a few years ago.

Walkabout was near the Shanghai bar / Pontoon area about a block away from that intersection but also closed I think.

[QUOTE=Nokbkk;2005903]When entering the bar, you get surrounded by 7 or 9 beauties, a warm welcome.

*snip*

1st surprise: I never ask the lady how much she wants; I offer myself. Asked if she agreed on 20 usd ST. She could not, 40 dollars would do. Gave her a surprised look, but she held on her 40 dollar. Then, the yes or no is up to me, I will not discuss for 5 or 10 dollar discount. Keep it nice and friendly, even I know I overpay.

2nd surprise: Asked for the bill, 17 dollar. Guess barfine included. Took the change, and 3-4 girls started shouting tip-tip-tip! Never saw this in Cambodia, never payed any 'tip' as expected in Thailand. I gave 1 dollar tip.

3rd surprise: Not a room upstairs, had to go out, a 5 minutes walk, payed 7 dollars for a room.

4th surprise: Gave her the 40 dollar but she wanted 2 dollar extra for motorbike taxi.

Damage: 17 + 1 + 7 + 40 + 2: 67 dollars. Think I better stick to the freelancers as in Martinis, Walkabout or Sharky. Many available for 15 usd, I always give 20. Sometimes they stay till morning, despite the agreement on ST.

Indeed, I was the only customer at that time.[/QUOTE]Hi NokBKK. None of these things are surprises. The $40 is the standard, has been for a while (I first paid that in April last year). The bar charge does include the bar fine, and the short term room is to the right and across the street as you leave Cyrcee. The 2 dollars she hit you up for, for motorbike, was just her way of getting a little cash from somebody who didn't look inclined to tip! So, don't feel bad--you didn't overpay. From your references to Martini's and Walkabout, I think your Cambodia knowledge is a bit dated. TTG.

[QUOTE=Nokbkk;2005903]When entering the bar, you get surrounded by 7 or 9 beauties, a warm welcome.

However I prefer a slim beauty, but like this, you can not mark the slim from the chubby ones.

So I ordered a beer, thought give it some time so I can choose better.

No way, all the ladies stayed wrapped around me, all trying to get my attention.

Finally, picked a pretty face, gave her a drink.

I know I don't have to give her I drink, but it offers some get-to-know time, some decency.

1st surprise:

I never ask the lady how much she wants; I offer myself. Asked if she agreed on 20 usd ST. She could not, 40 dollars would do. Gave her a surprised look, but she held on her 40 dollar.

Then, the yes or no is up to me, I will not discuss for 5 or 10 dollar discount. Keep it nice and friendly, even I know I overpay.

2nd surprise:

Asked for the bill, 17 dollar. Guess barfine included. Took the change, and 3-4 girls started shouting tip-tip-tip!

Never saw this in Cambodia, never payed any 'tip' as expected in Thailand. I gave 1 dollar tip.

3rd surprise:

Not a room upstairs, had to go out, a 5 minutes walk, payed 7 dollars for a room.

4th surprise:

Gave her the 40 dollar but she wanted 2 dollar extra for motorbike taxi.

Damage: 17 + 1 + 7 + 40 + 2: 67 dollars.

Think I better stick to the freelancers as in Martinis, Walkabout or Sharky. Many available for 15 usd, I always give 20. Sometimes they stay till morning, despite the agreement on ST.

The girl was good, but not worth the triple price. For me, LE Cyrcee is a place to miss. I don't care I payed to much, they can do that once: I won't go back, they will not see me anymore.

Have to remember a rule: never enter an empty restaurant. If no one inside, get out.

Indeed, I was the only customer at that time.[/QUOTE]If you read the forum, even going back a few posts, you would see precisely how the pricing and the system works at this old establishment. If you put LE Cyrcee into the search engine on this site, you would see that they used to have an onsite room but have not had onsite room for years. I heard that this has as much to do with the local authorities as anything else.

Yes, of course you can find freelancers who might go with you for less although I think you will find that not only is the $20 fee for the girl a thing of the past, so is Martinis and I think Walkabout. The latter was known to have the highest incidence of HIV and other STD nasties around.

While freelancers in the old days were sometimes shy but always willing to spend long time with barang who had enough money for beer, food and something for the lady, nowadays you may find that your phone or money may also have gone walk about along with your freelancer. Which is why so many of us like to stick to bars where at least in theory there is comeback, even if only through reputation of the bar.

The great thing about LE Cyrcee is that it is open in the afternoon (when most freelancers are still in bed) and unlike various massage places is not hit or miss and you can make your choice. The costs are well-known too and you don't have to bring the lady back to your room. The girls are vetted and clean and know their work well. And long may it stay that way.

I think you will find that your freelancer is going to cost you something like the same, maybe $30-40 (she may say LT but mean ST) plus drink / food plus taxi plus whatever she can steal back at your place while you are in the shower. It could cost you a lot more and the experience be a lot worse.

You can of course go to the local brothels and find much cheaper especially if you can speak Khmei and have some front but IMHO that is not the experience that most Western men are going to relish where the girls are going to be rough, the decor nasty, a higher chance of being robbed and rushed action.

[QUOTE=Franga;2003005]Here's the deal at LE Cyrcee.[/QUOTE]Accurate info.

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;2006103]The $40 is the standard,[/QUOTE]They will ask for $40, but they should all still accept $30 (for 1 hour; actually some will say it's for a 50 minute "professional" hour).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2006017]Where are these places and what are the best hours to visit them? Are the girls as hot as the top Street 104 girls?[/QUOTE]Sharky: street 130, nr 126. FL bar.

Walkabout: closed for now, but being renovated at this time. (street 174/51).

Martini: closed, reopened as New Martini on street 174 (near Walkabout) Best time starting from 8 pm.

Riverside: all day, all night. All kinds of FL. Some are low level, others are stunners.

Firstly, apologies for asking for information but I have just had an opportunity to visit PP next week & I don't have long to make the bookings. I have read back over several pages to find hotels recommendations but I'm having a bit of trouble finding many. I've seen the Lux Riverside on ST 136 mentioned & being completely new to PP it seems that would be a good start.

Is this correct & are there any others that might be better that I should consider?

Thanks for any assistance & to the who say RTFF I'm trying but time is a bit against me. If I don't manage to get this booked I'll be stuck In KL & the description of the punting scene there isn't very encouraging.

[QUOTE=Mondeoman;2007791]Firstly, apologies for asking for information but ............................ If I don't manage to get this booked I'll be stuck In KL & the description of the punting scene there isn't very encouraging.[/QUOTE]Yeah BC & TC, the spa's, the massage places, the pimps, even the freelancers. Are yeah shocking place to be stuck. LOL.

[QUOTE=Mondeoman;2007791]Firstly, apologies for asking for information but I have just had an opportunity to visit PP next week & I don't have long to make the bookings. I have read back over several pages to find hotels recommendations but I'm having a bit of trouble finding many. I've seen the Lux Riverside on ST 136 mentioned & being completely new to PP it seems that would be a good start.

Is this correct & are there any others that might be better that I should consider?

Thanks for any assistance & to the who say RTFF I'm trying but time is a bit against me. If I don't manage to get this booked I'll be stuck In KL & the description of the punting scene there isn't very encouraging.[/QUOTE]To Mondeoman.

Most of nicer hotel is near Riverside area and the budget hotel is near the central market, It all depend on your budget cost of hotel is much cheaper than other city like Bangkok, if you want a nice hotel the Naga World casino hotel is about 100 USD a night with a night club where you can pick up girl.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2007929]Yeah BC & TC, the spa's, the massage places, the pimps, even the freelancers. Are yeah shocking place to be stuck. LOL.[/QUOTE]I've made KL a priority for my next trip. I am eager to check out the Richmoore / Ace Elektronik scene on the way to the LOS.

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;2006103]The $40 is the standard, has been for a while (I first paid that in April last year)[/QUOTE]The standard is $25.

[QUOTE=Nokbkk;2005903]Keep it nice and friendly, even I know I overpay.

Asked for the bill, 17 dollar. Guess barfine.
Took the change, and 3-4 girls started shouting tip-tip-tip!
I gave 1 dollar tip.
payed 7 dollars for a room.
Gave her the 40 dollar but she wanted 2 dollar extra for motorbike taxi.
67 dollars.[/QUOTE]Jeezz, must be a pleasure to do business with you The kind of guy that just doesn't know how to say no.

Morality she will be asking the next chap 50, and he will end-up with a 80 USD bill. 67?

FYI, you'll get a stunner in Europe, the US, and she would rock your world.

Hope you had fun.

[QUOTE=Haokool;2009429]The standard is $25.[/QUOTE]Curious as to which year were you last in PP?

[QUOTE=Haokool;2009432]Morality she will be asking the next chap 50, and he will end-up with a 80 USD bill. 67?

FYI, you'll get a stunner in Europe, the US, and she would rock your world.
[/QUOTE]

You can get a stunner in the US for $80?

Has the Flamingo Hotel re-opened.

Read on the board they were doing remodel December thru February.