Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2922963]Relatives do not fucking care what you are doing. They have their own lives to worry about. Joe Biden's son is out fucking hookers AND smoking crack. So what. He is a grown ass man. Are the hookers on facebook worried about what their relatives will think?[/QUOTE]You'd be amazed at the influence of family in some of these countries. I was conducting an interview once, and it was clear that the people before me were a couple. The guy steps forward and I interview him for what he was there for and done. And so the young lady now comes forward and sits down, and I ask her if she is with the guy. She says no, and I immediately call her out on her bullshit. "Come on, it's obvious you're together! Why are you lying about that"? She said, "Well, my family wouldn't understand". I replied, "Am I your family? Stop with the lying about something so simple and obvious as this". So here was this 20-something year-old female obviously hooked up with this guy out of marriage, and she's lying to me because of what her family might think about the relationship. Moral of the story is the the influence of family and what they think about what you are doing can be really, really [B]strong[/B] in some of these countries around the world, including much stronger than in the States. And in this case, leading somebody to lie about shit when there was no for her to do that.

[QUOTE=HKGuy;2922945]I have been reading this forum for years and finally visiting Bogota and Medellin for first time. My plan is to be in Medellin from July 2 till July 15.

So far I have booked a visitor friendly Airbnb walking distance from parque llieras (calle 10 carrera 42 area close to Manila). I thought that would be good location every evening to meet girls and bring them to Airbnb.

But as I have built up contacts of almost 60 Facebook girls on WhatsApp, I am wondering if should be at San Peter Apartments on higher floor at Laureles instead. Either way those girls have to reach those Airbnb from their home location.

I don't drink or smoke or do drugs, and vegetarian. So I thought laureles may have better restaurant, grocery and environment for me. Would Manila which is walkable from Parque llieras Airbnb offer similar good options?

Airbnb at parque llieras is at just 1st level without much view. I see many girls post their pictures from tall buildings with Medellin skyline view. May be girls like to be in such tall buildings compared to first level parque llieras Airbnb?

Any thoughts? I am also considering splitting stay with 1 week at Parque llieras and 1 week at Laureles San Peter Apartments.[/QUOTE]Sure, the girls enjoy the luxury places, but they are there for the money. If anything the more luxurious the more they might demand a higher price. If they think you are ultra rich their bottom line price may be higher. Who knows. But any of the places you might stay are fine with them. Your safety and security is a bigger factor in my opinion. Get a place that screens the girls and if you pay them that is what they want.

[QUOTE=Jim0129;2922838]Some of them do, I personally was going to make another FB account but at the end I said F*ck it, I'm 50 and single, the hell with relatives and what they think.[/QUOTE]Are you sure you want Colombian chicas and chicos pretending to be chicas to know your real name, place of living, employment, family etc?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2922963]Are the hookers on facebook worried about what their relatives will think?[/QUOTE]Most of them are. That's why they have multiple accounts with different names and in most cases the FB profile name is different from the name on cedula. And that's the reason why you see some FB chicas using arabic, hindi etc in their names

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2922847]If you see no correlation between being in good shape, establishing a rapport (personality helps, duh! Showing her a good time, etc. And having a great time in bed, I feel sorry for you. What I said totally makes sense, apparently not for you, because you live in the parallel universe where women fall in love with some old obese douchebag who helped her change the tire jajaja.[/QUOTE]The clothes don't make the man. But if you're obese you're not going to make the clothes look good either so how could you ever make a woman look good. And being obese is within your control while your looks height is not.

So if a man doesn't care enough to take care of himself why should he expect a woman to reciprocate.

There's a reason strip clubs and night clubs and high end restaurants have dress codes.

If you go to the top clubs in Colombia going in shorts and a tank will def will hinder your experience.

If you go into Encore over at the Wynn in Vegas in shorts and a tank you will be considered as VIP since anyone who knows anything knows they would never allow that unless you got a lot of money.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922777]BS, it's a very small amt of women in sex tourism. [/QUOTE]Didn't say it was a big amount but that it happens, it is quite common knowledge in Europe on why older local women vacation in Africa.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922777]You're speaking from a man's pov, not a woman cause you don't know shit about women. Obviously. [/QUOTE]Thank you for enlightening me, you on the other hand are speaking from a women's point of view because you are a woman, is that it?

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922777]I'm losing brain cells... [/QUOTE]That's evident.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922777]If your point was valid then why do most local women from every country only date their local men? [/QUOTE]I was talking about sex not dating, but they date whoever is available that meets their criteria / needs, criteria which are different if they are looking for long term partner vs a lover to have some fun with (how long do those dating-relationships usually last anyway?) Who else are they supposed to be dating -- local men are the majority in every country and not every woman can get the 'best man' that she wishes for, so they make compromises and settle (wasn't there some tinder statistic that women like 5% of men and men like 60%?

Western society have 'advanced' in last decades and now scores of western women don't have to settle -- due to salaries they can earn, state support, dating apps, contraceptives / abortion (pregnancy risk-free sex, something quite new evolutionary speaking) -- hence the 'relationship crisis' in the west.

And I never said the looks are the main consideration for women since I don't think that's true, unless they are looking for a short time lover or a baby daddy, while already having a loyal guy lined up that will help raise it (paternity fraud varies a lot depending on country, between 0. 8% and 30% , median being 3. 7%.

Let's have a thought experiment, life is obviously more complex than that but -- all things being equal -- you have two exact men in all aspects except one is better looking, who would the woman choose if she could choose both?

I seem to recall some studies done with infants where they do stare longer at attractive faces. Adults can make other considerations but the fact remains that looks aren't completely irrelevant, it's something hardwired and a mechanism used to quickly / instinctually judge reproductive health, among other things, and often not something anyone is consciously aware of while making choices.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922777]whereas if she cheats it's purely because she loves the other guy better and planning to leave you (speaking of normal women, not hos). This is bc if she gives it up it's like giving her heart. [/QUOTE]Huh say what? You seem to hold a lot for romantic ideas about women and love. Women give it up all the time on a whim to guys they are not planning to have LT monogamous relationship with (present company included). Their 'heart' is a fluid and unstable thing. That being said women are generally way less promiscuous than men, due to different biological imperative, but the point still stands, it's easy for women to find someone to have sex with and a below 30 yo women incels are rare, they don't pay because they don't need to pay for something they can get easily for free (again, the minority of sex-tourists excluded).

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922777]I know exactly 100%... [/QUOTE]Uh, you don't know shit but presume a lot. I personally disagree with 98% of Miamiboy's posts so don't put me in the same bag.

I don't think I'm better and don't give a flying fuck about who someone else is fucking or dating, the number ratings and the "my hoe is better than your ho therefore I am better" BS.

I don't date WGs or pay girls to spend time with me (though some like to hang out), I pay for no-dating-required sex, the whole damn point of paying is that I don't have to spend time on dating, developing and maintaining relationships while still being able to fuck many different girls. It wouldn't be feasible to date so many different girls for these purposes and still have time for other things. Life is short. Dating and time investment in relationship is reserved for normal (non WG) girls. That being said, some of WGs are quite sweet, personable and like to hang out and / or talk and are fun to be around, and we have quite good 'working relationship' and sometimes just a friendship after we're no longer fucking.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922777]Do me a favor, sit down, trying bending over really hard and give yourselves a blowjob since you love yourselves so fucking much. Dumb mfrs. LMAO. [/QUOTE]You like to imagine men sucking dicks, do you? Good for you, no judgement.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922777]......... I often have girls come to me begging me to chose them, and they'd whisper shit like please pick me, I don't want granpa over there to take me LOL..... .[/QUOTE]LOL its a sales pitch. That same girl will go to the grandpa and say 'Please pick me, I like older men'. Who has the money and inclination gets laid and the girl wins.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2923010]LOL its a sales pitch. That same girl will go to the grandpa and say 'Please pick me, I like older men'. Who has the money and inclination gets laid and the girl wins.[/QUOTE]Of course!! When I was new to the game it sounded good, then quickly I realized it's all BS. Thing is I make friends quickly and always chat with other fellas in waiting rooms or bars, and at times they'd have the same girl saying the opposite. Incl telling you I love your blue eyes, then run to another oh I prefer morenos LOL.

I guess part of mongering is a fantasy, a huge part. In this sense let the noobs dream that it's not all about money and it's their abs LOL. Or let them pay more fantasizing she'll suck it harder lmao.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2922868]Learning a new language when you are older is very hard; I have zero interest in learning a language other than knowing 50-100 words + Google Translate.
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[QUOTE=SavePros321;2922973]I'd advise newbies not to take that same approach. Imagine being dropped in the middle of a place where you have no idea what is being said to you or about you and having to rely on pulling out your cell phone to use Google Translate to make sense of it all.

Congrats, you've just made yourself the biggest mark in town. Half of the horror stories we hear about here are guys intentionally setting themselves up for failure; all in the name of cheap pussy.[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree with you SavePros321. Laziness has its costs. Many guys think they can come to Medellin and enjoy all there is and it will be cheap and with Google translate everything will be groovy. People do it all the time. But speaking Spanish at a respectable level has benefits, big benefits. If you only want to go to casas and bang hookers, I get the lazy attitude. But if you speak Spanish, you can talk to women and make dates. You pull out your Google translate and you aren't getting very many dates.

I keep telling guys all the time that Latin America is different. Women don't have the same attitude that you are used to in the US. Girls going out with older men is not a big deal. Most men their age don't make enough money to go out to a medium or higher-end restaurant. That is an invitation they don't get often. You don't have to be Brad Pitt. If you aren't obese and don't have warts on your nose and don't dress like a complete slob the dating pool is bountiful but you can't get there without speaking the language.

As you pointed out. You simply cannot be pulling your phone out to operate Google translate in the middle of some barrios. You don't want to make yourself stick out more than you already do. Of course to be fair, I've lived here for several years and that is a different dynamic.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2922958]The correlation I see is that you gave her a significant amount of money. Arrive with all the good shape and rapport and good time with her knowing you are not giving her money, then come back and talk about the great time you had in bed.

If I hire a housekeeper I am not assuming she cleans my house very good because the house looks nice and it is very comfortable. I know she ain't cleaning shit if I am not paying her. At the end of the day you are hiring someone. You are blowing your head up to believe they are doing a good job due to factors other than the money.

I fucking get it though. Because when I started mongering I was kind of the same way. My first couple of times to Help Disco in Rio I wore a suit and gator shoes. I used to be drinking and dancing with the chicks having a good old time. Man I had some of the best times of my life. Then I stopped with the suits and would just go stand in front of the club with shorts, tank top, and flip flops on and get chicks as they were going in. Man I still had some of the best times of my life. There was zero difference in the experience in bed with the chicks. And I was still just giving them 100 reais ($25) for all night.

Same thing in Thailand. Me and my wingman had been hanging out all day. It comes time to go to the club and I say let's go back to the hotel to get ready. My wingman said man I am not about to dress up for no hoes. So we go to the club with the same shorts, tank top, and flip flops. That we had been wearing all day sweating in the hot sun. Same result. Loads of fun and took a chick all night for the same $30 that I still give them to this day.

So I am able to speak from both sides of the coin. Either I am able to have a good time in and out of bed with hookers becuase of the money and / or my personality. But I can tell you for a fact that results are not coming because I am dressing up or wining and dining them or call myself building some type of rapport. I have done it both ways and gotten the same results. Frankly, I do not know how you can claim it to be correlated if you have only done it one way.[/QUOTE]You focus too much on the hardened high volume pros who don't appreciate wining and dining or building a rapport. You are just another client they want to be done with as a soon as possible, so that they can go back to Lleras or Centro streets to get another customer and earn a buck. With these women, I don't expect to have a time of my life, I just want a quick pop and move on. Why would I dine and wine a street hooker or build a rapport with her, or show her a good time, knowing she doesn't care of any of this shit? And neither do I, because I know what to expect and investing more money or time makes zero sense. Heck, I won't remember her name 5 minutes after the session. Seriously, how many quick sessions with the pros, where I didn't wine and dine them or get to know them, do I remember? Barely any. Almost none of them are memorable. The best times of my life I had with the girls who appreciated all the things we are talking about. Yeah, everyone wants money, but not everyone is desperate and for some women having a good time with a person they vibe is equally important. Key is to find this kind of woman and ditch all the pros. So, I'm speaking from both sides of the coin.

It appeals to my warped sense of humor that guys are on this site where we all use aliases and likely also use false names on facebook accounts for the purposes of pulling chicas are questioning whether girls would do the same or be concerned about what people who don't know about their extra curriculars would think. LOL.

[QUOTE=VsebudetNY;2922990]Most of them are. That's why they have multiple accounts with different names and in most cases the FB profile name is different from the name on cedula. And that's the reason why you see some FB chicas using arabic, hindi etc in their names[/QUOTE]

For a long while, the girls looked pretty similar to their photos online, most looked better. After the pandemic, shit changed. Most of the girls are using filters and I have been duped numerous times. The fatties and darkies are altering their images to look white and thin. One of the girls was fat and not pretty, with lip filler. She was too quick to accept my office and come over. When she arrived, I was shocked. Later I found out that the ***** was on her period. I stop and told her to leave. She wanted 200 k and I argued with her back and forth but it was not worth it. She was doing this scam for a bit and being from a super poor family, she would do anything for the money.

Another girl was super cute and fit on the photos but when she came, her body was thin and had a jiggling tone to it. Had 2 kids and was drinking with she could so her muscle tone sucked and she was not pretty. She was OK with BB but I just did CIM and let her leave. Paid in full. She contacted 5 more times over the next several months but I never returned her messages.

There are another 3-5 girls that I can talk about but the main point is to video call them! This way you see them and make sure it's not a man pretending to be a girl and so forth. Have her be in a very well let area and check her out. If she cannnot do that, it means she is not pretty or something else. Hard pass and move on.

Excellent, excellent advice, it really should be rule #1 for first time dates with girls sourced online. It was great advice before filters and AI started showing up on social media. To source dates no without video calls is a form of Russian Roulette.

[QUOTE=Andres901;2923075]For a long while, the girls looked pretty similar to their photos online, most looked better. After the pandemic, shit changed. Most of the girls are using filters and I have been duped numerous times. The fatties and darkies are altering their images to look white and thin. One of the girls was fat and not pretty, with lip filler. She was too quick to accept my office and come over. When she arrived, I was shocked. Later I found out that the ***** was on her period. I stop and told her to leave. She wanted 200 k and I argued with her back and forth but it was not worth it. She was doing this scam for a bit and being from a super poor family, she would do anything for the money.

Another girl was super cute and fit on the photos but when she came, her body was thin and had a jiggling tone to it. Had 2 kids and was drinking with she could so her muscle tone sucked and she was not pretty. She was OK with BB but I just did CIM and let her leave. Paid in full. She contacted 5 more times over the next several months but I never returned her messages.

There are another 3-5 girls that I can talk about but the main point is to video call them! This way you see them and make sure it's not a man pretending to be a girl and so forth. Have her be in a very well let area and check her out. If she cannnot do that, it means she is not pretty or something else. Hard pass and move on.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2922699]you will see few are upset I spent $$$ to find a woman with those requirements.[/QUOTE]Most people are not upset at what you paid. They are trying to correct you thinking you get something better than others because you paid more. Like many of us, you are paying the tuition in your learning process.

You think Loutron is good because you paid more. It costed much less before, and with less upsell. You can read from the posts that experienced guys don't session there even if they go with a friend. There was a report that an experienced member who went with a friend and took the number of a girl, then dated her outside with better service. These should tell you something. These places were better before. They became worse because new visitors thinking they are good deal.

I have a few from la celestina that are from Bello. It basically is the same girls that you can get elsewhere. I don't see any perfect girls like 9 and 10 on their roster. Think about it, you want top in look, good in bed, speaking English. Any combination of two will be difficult to obtain.

It costs very little in food to have girls coming dancing topless, entertaining when eating at home. It's better than going out. I had an English speaking girl with me a few times the past few days. That is the reason my Spanish is bad

This is a very inefficient market for both sides. That is what makes it more difficult for some. Many pretty ones from the same social class are all starting low before they become popular and raise their rates, often with reduced service. I was talking to one who kept bugging me, probably sending me more than 50 messages a day. I asked her do you know where to find customers? She said no. She does not know she can just walk to Lleras and would be scooped up quickly. So all she left was me. LOL. That is one reason people don't share because it would ruin it. Think about this for a moment.

I picked the girls that give me the best experience. Prettier will get priority but it can only go so far. The prettiest girl that I know was upset with me not seeing her. She offers the same service but just not as much fun and needs more pampering so she fell off my list. She knows very few gringos so I am in a better position. Once she is known, she probably will forget me. LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2923263]It is actually very easy to tell. Look at the clothing and accessories for one. Maybe I better take that back since there are guys on this site that swear they can not even tell the difference between a woman and a dude dressed up as a woman.[/QUOTE]It's much easier without makeup. Most younger ones are not matured yet.