Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Nounce;2926497]It's 56. Not 66. It's a day time place. You probably missed 90% of SG scene based on your description. You messed up on Conejitas. Those are two different bars. There is another popular one Grill Nueva Avenida a few doors down Conejitas on the same block[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. Google really screwed me up. I looked for similar clubs on that street (Avenida Cundenamarca) near Hilton Grill, but they all looked like regular bars. What street is Conejitas and Avenida Nueva on? I will say that my taxi was driving me toward Laureles at around 7:40 pm, I did notice some street walkers leaned up against the outside of some bars on the street just to the northwest of Botero (Carrera 54). But it was too late at that point. I also did a sweep of all 4 corners of Botero park before getting in the taxi. Maybe 3 chicas standing idly who looked pretty rough. I was expecting to see them in standing in clusters and strolling around like in Poblado. Nothing like that. Maybe Poblado is where they all went after sundown on Friday evening, but they sure weren't in Parque Botero proper around 7:30 pm.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926426]Around that time, she gestured for one of the door guys at Gusto's to come over and join the conversation. I explained to him that I was tired and planned to go back to the hotel alone. He said ok, but you should at least tip the girl for her time. I told him I already bought her a drink at the bar so that was my tip. He suggested I tip her 100 k pesos. For what? That pissed me off. I said how about 20 k pesos. He laughed and said 20 k is nothing, like $5 man. I said ok, how about 10 k pesos. Same reaction. So I pulled a crisp 5 k peso note out of my wallet and offered it to her. She backed away from it like it was a pair of dirty underwear. I put the note back in wallet. She then turned to the guy and asked if she should call the police. I tried hard not to smirk as the guy gave her an incredulous look and told her that no one should call the police. Did she really think the police were going to come and scold or arrest me for NOT engaging in temporarily banned prostitution? That comment just confirmed that I 100% made the right decision by not going any further with that chica. I told both of them feliz noche, and turned and walked out of the park.

Needless to say, I don't advise doing what I did, especially if you plan to returning to the area soon. There is no way of knowing what kind of connections a chica has and it's never a good idea to piss people off when in a foreign country. I don't plan on going back to Gusto's again any time in the near future. But it did feel quite satisfying to give the proverbial middle finger to two entitled Colombians who saw me as just another dumb tourist to be shaken down.[/QUOTE]So during your stay at Gusto's you paid a grand total of $15 usd. The drink for the girl which was her tip in your mind. How is she going to pay the bills with that? How is the bar owner making any money here? You then asked her out but changed your mind when you were outside with her. I actually totally agree with that girl and the door guy that you should have tipped her something. Sure, 100 k is too much but 20 k is quite cheap too, regarding the fact you had her leave the bar. Of course I kind of understand your sentiment but Gusto's (or any other bar) could close their business if everybody was cheap like you.

Also it seems you were looking for GFE. Gusto's definitely not the place for that. There are quite often some hotties available but they're all hardcore. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is when you're looking for GFE.

And like others said, I've had times at Bogota airport where I had to stand over 1.5 hour in line. It's not just Medellin. I'll agree though that it would be in everybody's interest to just put 2 more workers at the counters.

Nice to read these fail reports in the MDE thread.

Too many newbies think MDE is a "like shooting fish in a barrel" destination. it is not. LOL.

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2926578]So during your stay at Gusto's you paid a grand total of $15 usd. The drink for the girl which was her tip in your mind. How is she going to pay the bills with that? How is the bar owner making any money here? You then asked her out but changed your mind when you were outside with her. I actually totally agree with that girl and the door guy that you should have tipped her something. Sure, 100 k is too much but 20 k is quite cheap too, regarding the fact you had her leave the bar. Of course I kind of understand your sentiment but Gusto's (or any other bar) could close their business if everybody was cheap like you.
[/QUOTE]Shit. You act like he had her walk 3 blocks. They were right outside in front of the place. She could have walked right back in and tried her luck with the other 5 gringos that were left. She should have considered herself lucky by taking the 20 because I would have given her the same zero that she ended up with after trying to hustle him. At least she would have had transportation money, but greed put an end to that.

You know what else could close Gusto's doors? If them and the girls keep ripping people off the way they do. But neither the ownership nor the girls seem concerned about that. They see it as having an endless barrel of suckers on their hands. It is Colombia, not Miami (as Sang says they have turned it in to). That is why I stay well away from those gringo clip joints. I wish I would pay a broad for walking outside more than I would pay to actually fuck one in a casa.

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2926578]So during your stay at Gusto's you paid a grand total of $15 usd. The drink for the girl which was her tip in your mind. How is she going to pay the bills with that? How is the bar owner making any money here? You then asked her out but changed your mind when you were outside with her. I actually totally agree with that girl and the door guy that you should have tipped her something. Sure, 100 k is too much but 20 k is quite cheap too, regarding the fact you had her leave the bar. Of course I kind of understand your sentiment but Gusto's (or any other bar) could close their business if everybody was cheap like you.

Also it seems you were looking for GFE. Gusto's definitely not the place for that. There are quite often some hotties available but they're all hardcore. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is when you're looking for GFE.

And like others said, I've had times at Bogota airport where I had to stand over 1.5 hour in line. It's not just Medellin. I'll agree though that it would be in everybody's interest to just put 2 more workers at the counters.[/QUOTE]In a place like Gusto I can see them expecting something. Or any bar really. So what the right number is I guess depends on how much of her time you took up. It's worth something to just keep things happy. And 100 K. Again, depends on how much of her time you took up, but perhaps 50 K would have been a nice compromise. And entitled? Not necessarily. It costs them something to get in and to get dressed up for a place like Gustos, so not unreasonable to ask for something. Anyway, not a big deal, but having a happy ending to such encounters is worth something.

Hey yall.

I will be back in MDE in a few months. Pretty excited. I will be there for a week and I have been there earlier this year for a Bach party. Didn't get to sample enough so I want to go back.

What are the prices looking like? I know most of the places in lleras since that's where I stayed. I also went to la Isla where I was quoted 600 k for a girl to come back to my Airbnb for a few hours which isn't all that bad compared to some of the reports I read.

Most of the lleras girl quotes I got were 300/400 k but I made sure to say that I wanted MSOG. Got to be willing to negotiate! Most were cool with it.

How are the prices now? For lleras girls and places like fase2 La isla Luna lunera el centro clubs.

And how are they for TLN?

I'm going with newbies so I want to tell them accurate info.

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2926578]So during your stay at Gusto's you paid a grand total of $15 usd. The drink for the girl which was her tip in your mind. How is she going to pay the bills with that? How is the bar owner making any money here? You then asked her out but changed your mind when you were outside with her. I actually totally agree with that girl and the door guy that you should have tipped her something. Sure, 100 k is too much but 20 k is quite cheap too, regarding the fact you had her leave the bar. Of course I kind of understand your sentiment but Gusto's (or any other bar) could close their business if everybody was cheap like you.

Also it seems you were looking for GFE. Gusto's definitely not the place for that. There are quite often some hotties available but they're all hardcore. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is when you're looking for GFE.

And like others said, I've had times at Bogota airport where I had to stand over 1.5 hour in line. It's not just Medellin. I'll agree though that it would be in everybody's interest to just put 2 more workers at the counters.[/QUOTE]I understand your sentiment too, but to clarify, I did not ask her out. That's what she proposed. We did not leave immediately after discussing her rates, but some time after that once we finished our drinks and dancing. I did intend to go to another bar with her, but that changed once she got a little pushy about going straight to my hotel. At that point, I realized I was better off going my own way.

Could I have made it clear to her before we started walking out that leaving the bar with me does not guarantee that she will get paid anything? Sure. Could she have clarified to me that she was expecting some form of payment if she left with me? She could have.

If anything, I think the burden is more on her to clarify expectations. Because she is the professional who does this for a living. The likely reason she didn't her expectations clear is because she knows that ambiguity usually works in her favor when it comes to gringo tourists. It just didn't with me.

If she had told me, "wait, before we go outside, please understand that I expect you to pay me something extra for my time," there is a high chance I would passed and just left on my own. And she would have been left there to check her phone and try to fight off a swarm of competition for the few guys at the bar. But she didn't do that. I doubt she would do it the next time, either. It probably works out in her favor more often than it doesn't.

The problem was, once I decided that I was not interested, she should have been able to walk back into the bar and continue with her night. I can only assume that is what she was allowed to do, because our entire conversation took place in plain view of the 3 doormen at Gusto's. If there is some "rule" that she can't go back in, then Gusto's is to blame for that. Again, that was something she could have told me before she pulled me outside, but didn't. Given that she claimed to personally know the owner, I doubt she had any problem going back into the club that night.

I think 20 k is quite a generous tip for zero service. I forgot to mention that I tipped Anjelica 15 k at Luna Lunera after our session. I would have tipped more but that's all the bills I had smaller than a 50 k note. So why would I "tip" a pushy chica who has provided no service and I am trying to get rid of more than a chica who just gave me quality service and I plan to see again? Actually, why would I tip her anything at all? It makes no sense.

As for Gusto's closing because of guys like me, I'm pretty sure there are some guys on this forum which can tell you about a time not too long ago when the price for a chica was much more reasonable and the selection was just as good or better than it is now. Gusto's would still be thriving if all their customers were like me. But perhaps you might see fewer chicas who wear top-end designer clothing and sneeze on free 20 k notes. Not a big loss in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2926605]In a place like Gusto I can see them expecting something. Or any bar really. So what the right number is I guess depends on how much of her time you took up. It's worth something to just keep things happy. And 100 K. Again, depends on how much of her time you took up, but perhaps 50 K would have been a nice compromise. And entitled? Not necessarily. It costs them something to get in and to get dressed up for a place like Gustos, so not unreasonable to ask for something. Anyway, not a big deal, but having a happy ending to such encounters is worth something.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. It was worth 20 k to me.

I would hope it would be worth something to the bar and the chica too, because I just dropped 80 k at their bar and I didn't even get see a pair of tits. But apparently it wasn't worth anything to them.

You see, in Medellin, many establishments think it's not their job to make customer happy and want to come back. It's your job as the customer to make them happy and help pay their bills. Because we, the foreign tourists, are obviously so absurdly wealthy we should be stuffing 50 k notes down people's shirts just for gracing us with their presence. Come on, people.

You don't "tip" a car dealer for trying to sell you a car that you decide not to buy, or even for letting you do a little test drive. That's just the cost of doing business and the fact that effort will be expended in many cases without a sale is baked into the price of the car. Same with chicas. The biggest tip I can give a working chica is to give her my precious time and attention and allow her the opportunity to try to convince me to buy her service. The more opportunities she has, the more success she will have. The opportunity itself has real value. But when she can't close the sale, she doesn't get paid. It's as simple as that.

But if you want to play into the illusion that you are some wealthy foreign benefactor, a la Pretty Woman, who is superior to this helpless street-savy working girl, then go ahead and offer her something to appease your conscience like I did. I highly doubt that locals tip chicas for failed negotiations. But remember, we are not locals. We are foreigners. I. e. , second class humans. Our role in Medellin is to pay what is demanded by high end clubs run by foreigners, and not ask questions about it. And by all means, do what it takes to make them happy, because our job is to live up to their expectations, and not the other way around.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2926605]In a place like Gusto I can see them expecting something. Or any bar really. So what the right number is I guess depends on how much of her time you took up. It's worth something to just keep things happy. And 100 K. Again, depends on how much of her time you took up, but perhaps 50 K would have been a nice compromise. And entitled? Not necessarily. It costs them something to get in and to get dressed up for a place like Gustos, so not unreasonable to ask for something. Anyway, not a big deal, but having a happy ending to such encounters is worth something.[/QUOTE]Most girls live far away from poblado. Factor into that the cab ride and entry fee.

Girls pay 20 k to enter last time I checked. But this was a while ago.

Buying a girl a drink to discuss services etc should not be considered part of the fee LOL. It's a bar full of independent girls. They're not working for the house.

Honestly if it got that far 100 k (23 $) is fair considering he agreed to pay 500 for an hour. So she's already got that money counted in her mind.

[QUOTE=YounGun3393;2926607]Hey yall.

I will be back in MDE in a few months. Pretty excited. I will be there for a week and I have been there earlier this year for a Bach party. Didn't get to sample enough so I want to go back.

I'm going with newbies so I want to tell them accurate info.[/QUOTE]I love Baroque music, but I think you'll find the women more into Reggaeton in Medellin.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926609]Could I have made it clear to her before we started walking out that leaving the bar with me does not guarantee that she will get paid anything? Sure. Could she have clarified to me that she was expecting some form of payment if she left with me? She could have.

If anything, I think the burden is more on her to clarify expectations. Because she is the professional who does this for a living. The likely reason she didn't her expectations clear is because she knows that ambiguity usually works in her favor when it comes to gringo tourists. It just didn't with me.
[/QUOTE]Not attacking you in particular, but your example is important for everyone else. I assumed people already knew the basics, but this is a lesson for all mongers at ANY club where you pick up WGs; if you walk out of the club with a girl, she is expecting payment. The girl is here to get paid and isn't being swooned by your game, looks, or sterling personality. If you want to waste time hanging out at clubs, getting a coffee, or even read her your warhammer 40 k fan-fictions, she won't complain, but the expectation is payment. Don't play games and assume there is some sort of test drive going on where she'll drop her price after you woo her. Don't be wishy-washy about details, and always get things confirmed.

And most importantly, NEVER, EVER put the burden on the girl to clarify anything. It's your money and your life and you should never leave that in the hands of a stranger. Kapn was lucky in some ways that things didn't escalate but you all need to remember; you're the foreigner, not the girl. I've seen dudes get their shit pushed in by locals in Thailand for playing games and Medellin is much less nice than Bangkok. All it takes is one white knight or guy having a bad day to decide he wants to step up to put the "arrogant gringo" in his place (with his boys, of course). Cops can't be everywhere and, truthfully, they don't care.

It's a little wild to even think you walked out of the club with this girl thinking that she didn't expect to be paid, as if she was actually interested to go sight-seeing some shitty clubs she's probably been to a hundred times before.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926612]You see, in Medellin, many establishments think it's not their job to make customer happy and want to come back. It's your job as the customer to make them happy and help pay their bills. Because we, the foreign tourists, are obviously so absurdly wealthy we should be stuffing 50 k notes down people's shirts just for gracing us with their presence. Come on, people.

You don't "tip" a car dealer for trying to sell you a car that you decide not to buy, or even for letting you do a little test drive.

And by all means, do what it takes to make them happy, because our job is to live up to their expectations, and not the other way around.[/QUOTE]In no other industry does the person paying act like the person providing them the service is doing them a favor. Pussy just does something to some guys to make them think like that. You can still bust a nut without her. She can not pay her rent without you. Who is really doing who a favor?

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2926424]Now his girlfriend has a 6 hour window of opportunity. If he needs a break from his commitment then she definitely needs a break from him and she is happy that he will be gone for 6 hours so she can have her fun too and Pablo has been waiting for her to signal that the time is right. Take your friend to a case so he can pick from a line up of his choosing. Tell him to try not to think about what his girlfriend will be doing while he's gone and just to focus on the mission at hand. Tell him to wash up good afterwards because condoms can leave a distinct smell on your private parts and the girlfriend will definitely know this from her own experience.[/QUOTE]It's a lazy Sunday afternoon and I can't pass up the temptation to chime in on this one. So here goes.

First, some background. I am a big believer in setting proper expectations on the front end of a relationship and not promising more than you can deliver. I subscribe to the "Mr. E" school of thinking on that subject. It is easier said than done, but once you get a woman to accept that you are not willing to compromise your freedom just to have sex with her, it pays tremendous benefits as the relationship moves along. So the main problem here is that your friend committed to monogamy when he (probably) knew he could not live up to that commitment. Now he is in a predicament of his own making.

My situation is a little bit different, but the recent experience I am going to relate will hopefully give you some comfort. One of my girlfriends lives in Medellin. She knows we live in different countries, and I made it clear to her from the outset that I cannot go without sex for months in between visiting her. That was just a nonstarter for me. I made it clear I didn't expect monogamy from her either. It wasn't easy, but fortunately for me, she values our relationship enough that she has accepted my sexual freedom. I don't tell her anything about my other girlfriends or my sexual activities. We message each other every day and have an amazing relationship.

My problem is that, while sex in my home country or in third countries is within the terms of our understanding, there is an unspoken implication that I will not have sex with other girls in Colombia. Which, of course, I do. For reasons that are completely unjustifiable but that your friend can probably relate to. It's not that I don't have sex with my girlfriend when I am in town. We do, and it's great sex. But I am a man like many of you on here with an appetite for variety and new experiences when it comes to sex. And I don't get that in the US for the reasons that many of you know too well. So traveling to Colombia is an opportunity to quench that appetite, on top of warming up for my main course, my girlfriend, who receives the bulk of my time and affection when I am there.

But needless to say, I would have problems if she found out about my activities in Colombia. It would probably spell the end of our relationship, because it would hurt her a lot and trust would be lost. That's why it's important for me to conceal my secret activities.

So earlier this month, I flew into Medellin on my way to Peru. My girlfriend didn't know I was coming, which is fairly typical. I like to just show up at her apartment unannounced and surprise her. Well, I flew in early afternoon, and suffered through immigration. Did my thing, rested a little at ny hotel in Laureles, and then had one of my Colombiana contacts I met at Luna Lunera come over that night for an hour and a half session for 300 k. It was a good session, not as good as in the club which was phenomenal, but she is a very cute chica who goes the extra mile to make me happy. I blow my load after one week of self-imposed abstinence and I can finally think clearly again.

I woke up the next day and I still had some lead I wanted to get out before what was likely to be a marathon romp with my girlfriend later that evening. So I booked a hotel in Poblado and messaged my favorite Venezuelan contact. This girl is 22 years old and has earned a special place in my heart. Cute young lady with braces and a nice petite body that would fit in in Thailand or PH. She is a normal chica who actually needs the money, because her family is dirt poor. I follow her on Instagram, which is basically dormant, but it makes me sentimental to see her with her family, friends, classmates in high school, etc. I remember where I was in life during those times, and it pulls on my heart strings a little. She is just a regular girl with a positive outlook whose life has been shaped by negative economic forces beyond her control.

One thing about this girl, is she knows how to handle me despite her young age. I am the type who has high expectations and can be fairly impatient. She knows how to talk me down whenever I get riled up. Her and her Venezuelan friend were my first threesome, which did not meet my expectations at the time, but based on the stories I've read on here was probably the best threesome you could possibly hope for. Her friend was a squirter but not as pretty. I halfways hoped her friend would come with her, but I also wanted to save some money for Peru.

Anyway, this girl is hard to contact and coordinate with, because she does not not own a cell phone that works without WIFI. She is that poor. So she has to borrow her friend's phone to message me when she is out of WIFI range. Somehow, I get her over to my hotel within 30 minutes of when she was supposed to arrive (4:30), which is shockingly punctual by her standards. Paid 20 k for her taxi. We never discussed any rates or time. She doesn't have a passport, so the hotel didn't want to let her come to the room. I did the whole "she's my GF, I booked for 2 people" spiel, and they finally said they would let her in for an additional 100 k. I worked them down to 50 k. We both went up to the room, sat on the bed with some snacks, watched TV and caught up on life.

I honestly did not know how things were going to go, because I never mentioned sex to her. One thing was for sure: I was not going to do anything unless she agreed to give me oral without a condom. When I first met her on the street, I was very green and thought a covered blowjob was a universal requirement. I have been kicking myself ever since. This girl has the best oral skills of any girl I've ever been with. Perfect rhythm, angle, depth and hand usage. Keeps going steady and never comes up for air. I love to make her kneel on a pillow beside a mirror and watch her from the side while she goes downtown. Damn it's hot. My dick gets hard just thinking about it. It's obvious that the reason this girl can insist on a condom for BJ and not lose business is because she is so damn good at it.

And it bothers me to no end that the girl who gives the best blowjob ever insists that I wear a condom during the act. All because I agreed to it the first time and set a bad precedent. Well that was going to change this time. No BBBJ, no sex, and no money for her. Cum in mouth was not a requirement; we could work up to that next time. But uncovered oral was absolutely essential. She either blows me bare or she doesn't eat tonight, I thought. I'm putting my foot down, dammit.

Well, she was hungry and wanted to go to dinner. I offered to invite her. She suggested we do "what we are going to do" before we eat dinner. 300 k is our standard, right? Right. That's when I emphasized that I wanted a bare blowjob this time. She said no. I said fine, we don't have to have sex then. Let's just go get dinner. I was dead serious.

Now, I've had disagreements with many girls, but the way this chica handles me is truly remarkable. There is generally two ways this can go. One, the chica sees you are ready to walk and she gives in to your demands. Or two, the chica gets very cold and defensive and tells you how you are still going to pay them for their time no matter what. Or owe them X amount. Or threaten to call the police or someone else. Not this chica. One reason is that she is Venezuelan, is probably in the country illegally, and has very little recourse if I change my mind and decide to reject her services. I knew this, and as much as I liked her, I felt like I had some leverage. I felt like if she saw I was serious and walked away this time, she would accept that insisting on a condom for oral is not worth losing 300 k. But of course I didn't want to lose her from my rotation, which is why I was still going to take her out to dinner. So I guess she was going to eat either way.

And next time, when my head is slumped back and I am enjoying every stroke and slurp of the most satisfying skin-on-mouth blowjob of my life, it would all be worth it. For both of us.

That was my plan.

Anyway, she calmly strokes my arm and says amorrr. You know how service is with me. I said yes, that's how it was at first, but now that we know each other better I thought you could do oral without a condom. Told her how important it was to me. "Amorrr. I can't do that," she says in a very soothing and relaxed tone. Fine, let's just go to dinner. No sex. "Amorrr, I really need this money. " Sorry, not my problem. I am very defensive and pissed. "But amorrr, this is why I came to see you. This is how it always works with us. " She is just stroking my arm and her voice is as soothing as ever. More back and forth for at least 10 minutes. I kept emphasizing, all she has to do is blow me without a condom and all our problems are solved. But she wouldn't budge. I have to give her a lot of credit for that, and the more I argued with her, the more I respected her. And the whole time, she spoke to me in such a sweet and loving tone as she explained that she came her to have sex with me, that is what she intended to do, and I had to wear a condom the entire time we did it. Her soft confidence and power was really mesmerizing. She never gave an inch, but continued to stroke my arm and chest and talk to me in the most soothing tone.

And so, just like when we've had disagreements in the past, this 22-year-old chica sweet-talked me until I cooled down. She argued with me like I was always the one in charge, but she was just persuading me to make the right decision. It was a masterclass in how to subtlety manipulate a man's ego without being obvious about it. At the end of argument, I realized that I wanted to have sex with this girl, even if it was covered. Not because it was the easiest thing to do to keep peace, or because she needed the money, or just to get it over with. But because I truly wanted sex with her. She made me want it with how she treated me with respect and tenderness during our argument. It became a primal urge I could repress but couldn't deny.

So I gave in. Essentially. Needing some way to save face, I told her I would only agree to sex if there was no time limit. I emphasized, no time limit. She said she had to be home in the evening. I said that's not what I mean, I mean we could fuck for two hours or more. Not all night, but however long it took me to get my satisfaction. She agreed to that. If I was going to going to get blown with a condom, I was at least going to get my money's worth. So I threw a pillow down in front of the mirror and she dropped to her knees. Ah, pure (wrapped up) bliss.

After some thorough and titillating oral service, I put her on the bed and ate her pussy with a dental dam. Sex in multiple positions until she complained that she was getting hungry. To be honest, I had places to be, too. So I put her on all fours and finished in her from behind. I don't think I lasted 40 minutes. The orgasm was very intense because I was really worked up from our argument and needed some release. And boy did I get it. That was just what the doctor ordered for my mood and state of mind.

Everything we did happened on top of the sheets, which will become important later in the story.

So after sex, me and my Venezuelan chica went to grab dinner in Provenza. She definitely deserved a tip for another memorable performance on her knees. I told her we could go anywhere she wanted, she actually chose a very reasonable "walk-up" restaurant. I appreciated that. The meal cost 65 k total for both of us.

While talking at dinner, I found out that she had actually had a baby about a month earlier. Apparently, the last time I saw her, she was almost three months pregnant. I do remember that she had a bit of a protruding belly but I thought she was just putting on some weight. I honestly couldn't tell from sex; her pussy was still very tight.

After dinner, we walked back to my hotel. Along the way, she stopped by two different pharmacies. I told her I was in a hurry and thought she was going to ask me to buy something for her. She was very adamant that she was going to pay with her own money. So I stood at the counter with her while she pulled the 300 k peso notes out of her bra and bought diapers and baby formula. Which put quite a dent in that 300 k. Seeing her buy those things with the money I just gave her really made things hit home with me. She had just had sex with me so she could buy food and diapers for her baby. I helped her carry the groceries to the taxi. She didn't ask me to pay her taxi; with the 200 k plus she had left over, she seemed proud to not have to ask for my help. I felt no doubt that I had made the right decision that evening. It was a humbling experience and one I won't soon forget. It confirmed with my own eyes that many of these girls are very genuine people just trying to make ends meet. I hugged her, gave her a kiss on the cheek, and bid her farewell.

Anyway, after that, I gathered my things and went down to the front desk. I told them that I had decided to spend the night at my "girlfriend's" apartment, but didn't want to check out because might return if sleeping without air conditioning turned out to be too much to bear. So if I don't return by tomorrow at 11 am, please check me out. Gave them my key to hold at the front desk. They were fine with it. I never waste a good hotel room. For all I knew, my actual girlfriend could be out of town.

So I took an Uber to my girlfriend's apartment. Arrive at 9 pm. She opens the door. Surprise! She is so elated to see me. The expression on her face is worth the entire trip. Just one problem: her sister broke up with her boyfriend, and she is living with her temporarily. So that throws a wrench in things for obvious reasons. No chance of us doing anything freaky in that small apartment with her sister there.

The good news is I already had a hotel room waiting for us. The bad news. I had just fucked another girl in that hotel room. Gulp!

So do I book an entirely new hotel room like any reasonable man who values his relationship would do? Not this reckless cheap ass. I told her that I already had a hotel room and invited her to stay with me in Poblado. Miraculously, she said she needed to take a shower first. That was my opening. I told her to take her time, I would take an Uber over there and text her the address so she could come when she was ready. Sounded perfectly reasonable and she agreed. Once I sent her the address, I knew there was no turning back.

So I rush back to the hotel. Get the key from the front desk and go upstairs. The first thing I do is pick all the condoms and dental dams out of the trash can with some toilet paper. In my panic, it never occurred to me that I could just take them out of the room and throw them away in the trash can outside. So I remove the bag from the trash can and stuff the damning evidence at the bottom of the can. I then replaced the bag over it and stuffed a wad of toilet paper at the bottom so you couldn't see the bright gold wrappers peaking through the clear plastic bag.

I then completely remade the bed, obsessively scanning every piece of fabric for any sign that another woman had been there. After it had been remade, I fluffed the pillows and as I was doing that, a long black hair fell out from between two of the pillows. Scared the shit out of me. I hid that thing in the closet and proceeded to check every inch of the room, and especially the bathroom where my Venezuelan girl had showered, for other hairs. Made me paranoid as hell. Amazingly, no hairs in the shower or bathroom. I spead out a boquet of red roses I had purchased the day over the bed. Then I wadded up the towel that the other girl had used and quickly went downstairs to give it to the front desk and request more towels. But most importantly, I wanted to emphasize that I was having a guest come over and there should be no mention whatsoever of any other guests I previously had in the room. I assumed there would be some kind of resistance to allowing me have an additional guest in the room in the same day, and I wanted to iron that out before my girlfriend arrived.

My elevator stops in the lobby and I turn toward the front desk. My heart skips a beat. There is my girlfriend, leaned over the counter, looking down while filling out some form. Dressed in just a pair of warmups, with her hair still wet from the shower, she made it to the hotel from her apartment in 20 minutes flat. She doesn't see me and neither do the people at the front desk. With my heart racing, I briskly walk to a row of plants and shove the dirty towel in between them as innocuously as I can.

I then walk over to the front desk and smootly put my arm around my girlfriend. Wow, you're already here love, are you getting checked it? She barely acknowledges me and continues filling out the form. Not atypical for her to be that way when we are in public. She then hands the form to the female desk attendant, who, by sheer luck and the grace of God, was a different person than the male attendant who had checked me and the Venezuelan chica in at 4:30 that afternoon. Apparently the day shift ends at around 9 pm and the night shift takes over. So the lady at the desk had never seen me before. Or the chica I had previously left with. And the hotel apparently had no record that I had another guest in my room. I have to assume that my Venezuelan chica was "off the books" because she did not have a passport and technically could not be allowed into the room under the law. Or maybe she just kept quiet and did me a solid. Whatever the reason she just smiled politely at us and said "welcome, enjoy your stay. "

At this point, I still did not know what my girlfriend had been told before I arrived, so I braced for any backlash as we walked to the elevator. My girlfriend finally looked up at me and made eye contact. She then wrapped her arms around me and pulled me in for a passionate kiss. In my mind, I breathed a deep sigh of relief.

When we arrived at the room, my GF was ecstatic to see the roses I had bought her. I poured her a drink and spread some snacks over the bed. We talked for a while and watched a documentary about the Colombian children who got lost in the Amazon for 40 days and survived. A great film for anyone looking for something to watch.

We then proceeded to have passionate, earth-shaking sex in the same unwashed bed that I had just fucked another girl less than five hours earlier. The sex was so intense (maybe because I was so worked up from all the suspense and drama I had created for myself) that I actually injured my hand from having my bare knuckles slam against the wall while I was gripping the end of the mattress while we fucked in missionary. I didn't even notice the blood until I went to take a shower. The sex was that amazing. She actually was more than a week late on her period this month, so until recently there was reason to suspect we may have conceived that night. How screwed up would that be!

After showering, we cuddled up and fell asleep. Did she smell the scent of another woman on the bed? Or the smell of freshly used condoms or dental dams? If she did, she never gave me any indication. I think it helped my cause a lot that my Venezuelan chica did not wear perfume. I can only assume she can't afford it. That is another detail that surely contributed to me pulling off this audacious and completely unnecessary feat of stupidity. Of course, the fact that the Vennie & I never did anything under the sheets or comforter also probably played a big role in keeping any incriminating scent at bay. Add it the fact that my girlfriend was in an unfamiliar hotel room which she was not used to smelling, further masking the scent.

One thing I didn't have to worry about after sex: hairs. My girlfriend and the Vennie both have black hair of about the same length, so any hairs found in the room from that point on would not arouse any suspicion. But the thing that bothered the shit out of me was the condoms in the trash can. I was constantly worried that my girlfriend would somehow find them when she was in the bathroom taking a shower. And there is no way of explaining my way around that, even though I've never used condoms with her so there is still a glimmer of very implausible deniability. There is no logical reason that a woman would take a trash bag out of a trash can in a hotel, but women do weird shit like that all the time. The risk of her doing that really bothered me.

The next morning, I rebooked the hotel for another night. We headed out for lunch and I pretended to leave something in the hotel room. I went back to the room and disposed of the condoms in a trash can on a different floor. Too important to trust that task to the maid. As we exited, I made it very clear to the maid that we needed room service. Of course, the guy who had checked me and my Vennie "girlfriend" in the previous afternoon was back at the reception. Ironically, he was from Venezuela himself. He instantly knew what was up. I shot him a look as I passed which told him that if he said anything about it, they would never find his body. Returned later that evening to fresh linens. I finally was able to exhale.

So there you have it, fellas. A real life case study that it is possible to have sex with another woman, even in the same bed and on the same day, without your girlfriend finding out. I can assure that I still have all my organs. My GF and I had a great time together and I would say that our long distance relationship is in the best place it's ever been. Would I advise anyone to do what I did? Hell no. I'm not proud of it either. But like so many incredible feats, it takes a dumb overconfident bustard to prove they are possible. Please learn from my foolhardy decisions but don't repeat them. That goes for many of the things I post on this forum.

So what have we learned? I can tell you that an important part of the equation is just being able to act naturally and have a laid back demeanor even when you are hiding something. It's hard to do that if you feel guilty, so put your guilt aside. If you know that something is going to make you feel guilty, don't do it. I did not want my girlfriend to find out about what I did, but I also did not feel guilty about it. So even more than hiding the physical evidence, the most important thing is how you act around her. For me it's easy, because I have nothing but a pure heart for my girlfriend and a clear conscience when it comes to my deep and genuine feelings for her. But my body and lustful mind crave variety and new experiences. Giving in to my urges, rather than repressing them, makes me a happier man and, perhaps, a better boyfriend. That's my view on things.

Funny thing, the following night my girlfriend actually suggested we go to Parque Lleras because she wanted to show me the nightlife of Poblado. I walked around with her, quite amused, pretending like I had never been there before. It was definitely a surreal experience!

Bottom line: act natural, don't feel guilty for addressing your needs, and give the woman reasons to value you and want you in her life (but obviously don't overdo this last part so as to create suspicion). Those actions go a long toward her giving you the benefit of the doubt and things working out in your favor.

Excited to be back so I jumped on the opportunity.

I just want to start off by saying I'm not a centro / street walking girl hunters.

Most of the vets here really like the cheap street centro options. And that's fine. To me those options are usually 0-7 MAX. And the 7 is very hard to come by. If.

You live here I understand why you prefer that. But for me I need the 8-10. Now those ratings are very subjective. Even in clubs I may think a girl is a 10 and another guy thinks she's a 6 or 5. Which is fine. So my review is for the guys with limited time here who like the big titted girls even if theyre fake af.

Started off the night by going to loutron. I think it was 480. Was stick between 3 girls and had to re ask. The last girl I had here (sofia who is a complete stunner) was also there but she was mechanical. I shouldve realized they were all mechanical. Regretted my choice. I honestly forget the girls who name I chose. I think she was from Bogota and althoguht she had huge tits her nips were busted (huge aeriolas if you like that) and very business. Wanted 100 k more for anal or bb but that wasnt my thing. Still a fun time still a great line up. Went early around 6 or 7. Talked to a guy who told us to avoid energy and new life as girls were uggos there. Kinda the same reviews as the forum here. Again I had limited time and didn't want to waste it so I opted out of those places for my trip. (yes I understand theres some nice ones there) but yeah I don't have time.

Now I love clubs. I love feeling a girls vibe before I take her back. I also like actually seeing the girl in different lights. This is why I don't like the facebook or escort calling stuff here. I don't know if the bait and switch is going to happen (I got boned in cartagena once and said never again) so off the gusto I go. Tuesday night. Its raining. Heavy pouring. Damn I forgot I was in rainy season. Club is dead from 10 pm to 12 pm. I head over to glow. Place is moderatly packed. Esp compared to gusto. Also the one next door to glow is packed as well but those girls are more uggos and not my style.

I always take what's app numbers and took a girls number in case I found no one. Luckily I what's apped a girl form my last visit here. She was from gusto. I asked if 300 k was cool to come. She was completely fine with it. I said 700 k for all night if I like you. She agreed. I waited for her. She took a while. Said she lived far. Shared her location and looked like it was true. She arrived at 2 . Pretty much after the deed was done she was getting ready to go. I said you can stay all night. She agreed but then started packing up at 330 am I was like woah woah you're not getting anything if you don't stay till 6 am or 8 am which is the time we agreed was todos noche. She gave a sob story about her resopnsibility with son and takin to school. Which may only be 50% true. So I told her ok if you stay till 4 am you're only getting 200 k more. She said she needed the money and she said if I come back in the morning can I get the extra 300 k. I said fine. She came in the morning and topped me then left.

Wed I went back to the clubs and gusto was slow early again so iheaded to glow. Met this tall guy from europe who stays here 6 months. We cihlled together as we enjoyed the same type of girls. He knew alot and took me to different clubs. He has a lot more money so he said la isla is the best if you get a bottle and table. Seemed like hes rolling in money cause I'm not spending that much money at la isla. Also the last time I went to la isla I was banished to the corner standing area and couldn't see any girls. Was lame af. So we go back to gusto and theres not many girls my type. But in walks my stunner from my last visit. So I take her back. She said she only does 800 k all night now. I am completely head over heels and I say ill do 700 k. I shuoldve bargained per leche like I did last time. Last time I was with her I said 2 for 700 or something like that and she agreed. Well I didn't. And after the first pop she packed up and got ready to go. I had trouble with my equipment so I was ok to hurry her out.

Here's where the problem happen. I started to fall in puppy love like an idiot. With my first girl. I called her back out. Told her ID take her on a date but no sex. We ate. We chilled. She was amazing. She danced on me and had to leave to go get her son. I told her ID give her 200 k for sex right now. She said she had to go but asked to borrow and keept it and shed pay me back later with sex. (red flag) . I said no stood firm. I also gave her money for extra party good which she said she would give me at the club later that night (test to see if she's a bit real or a true thief).

Later that night I go to la isla. My boy told me he took 3 girls home from la isla at 800 k eaach all night. I was like fuck maybe I'm missing out on la isla. I head ther eSUPER early like 930 pm. Its fucking dead. 1 table of dudes. 2 dudes from medellin at the bar. 30 or 40 girls just sitting there. I get a beer and walk around the club. I can't really see the girls. Some are smoking and some are just not my type. I head to bathroom then back to bar. Talk with the dudes from medellin and couple girls approach. THEN this guy was like hey man you're going to have to go to the corner. Wtf what about the other guys from medellin they just get to stay. Whatever so I think maybe I need to buy a bottle. Prices are insane. But no one is there. So I ask the waiter. Hey look. I don't want to drink the liquor but can I get a bottle and table for 300 k cop. He was like no I don't think so. I asked if theres any room for negotiation. He said no. Fuck it. I left. Maybe ill come back if I get nothing.

Back to parque lleras and its opouring outside. Seriosuly pouring. Lots of strreet girls everywhere still. My first girl keeps texting me asking me where I am. I ignore it and go to glow. WOW its empty. Wtf. Guy tried to get me to go in. No seriosuly its like 4 girls. Its so sad. I gues certain nights during the week gusto is popping and other nights its not. Again I pop over the club next to glow. Forget the name. Still same uggos. So I leave and go to gustos on a Thursday. THIS PLACE IS PACKED. Girls every fucking where. This is what happend last time too. Thursday was packed. I see my initaly girl there. I buy her a drink and tell her I want to check out other girls. She's fine with it and says shell give me space. I find a couple girls attrative and eventually take another girl home. Small spinner girl wears heavy make up and I can till she's a little more of a MILF than the younger girls there. She demanded 800 k per hour LOL. I got her down to 500 k per each leche. Still really expensive.

After I'm done with her I immedetiatly hit up my first girl. Its all who I could think about. Tell her I'm thinking about her and she can comeover for 200 k but has to stay till 4 am. Obv no one took her. She agrees. Then she tantalizes me in the house so I ask her 300 k for pop and she agrees. Shouldve bargained but I'm now in love. After I'm done she calls taxi and is getting ready to leave. Reality is fighting my puppy love. I feel like such an idiot as I'm talking about myself.

Sorry this is a long winded almost pointless post but rule #1 always is don't fall in love. This is just straight business.

I kept trying to text this girl after too. So many flags as I'm looking back. I'm such a simp.

So if any of you go after a lazy eye chick vennie with huge fake tits. Just know your boy got played. Lesson trying to be learned. She keeps asking me to go on a trip with her lmao.

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It's a little wild to even think you walked out of the club with this girl thinking that she didn't expect to be paid, as if she was actually interested to go sight-seeing some shitty clubs she's probably been to a hundred times before.[/QUOTE]Yes yes yes!

She does not need to know anyone in the club. She could have gone back in and told any local there what happened. That guy would have yelled at 2-3 buddies are even local strangers (very common thing to happen). Then go out and stolen everything on your person and maybe left you requiring medical attention. True there are tons of cameras in that area. If that makes you feel safe you are an idiot. Maybe they follow you to a camera-free area. Maybe the cops do something or do nothing. Then your whole trip would be ruined and you go back to your country because your face is messed up and have to explain to everyone why your A $$ got kicked. You owed her 50,000 at least. YOU messed up letting her walk out with you. Amazing this has to be explained to you.