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[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2255870]How to say "no" to your chosen lady in the bar can be a tricky thing. If you say no too often, she will think you are a cheap charlie. On the other hand, if you say yes to every request, you will be seen as the naive tourist. What I do is quite simple. Picture this: your sitting with your lady in the bar happily drinking, fondling, caressing and then she asks you to buy a drink for her friend or the Moma son. You cringe under your breath thinking not again. Then she asks you to buy another drink for a different Moma Son. When is it all going to end you think. Here's what I do. I comply the first 2 or 3 times. Then when it comes time for me to say no, I say this:

Teerak, (sweetie, darling, honey in English). "I don't want you to think that I like another lady. I am here for you and I want to focus all my attention on you. I would prefer to buy drinks for you only from now on. I'm here to support you and not another lady". After saying this to a girl, I have never had a negative response. After that, I bar fine her, order her another LD and then get the hell out of the bar. That way the LDs stop but in her mind, she has snagged a good customer. Back in the room, I get what I want most of the time and pay a fair price.[/QUOTE]For me it's not complicated at all. I have absolutely no problem telling girls no, even my regular girls. I just tell the girl I don't buy drinks for mamasans and her sisters. I tell her be careful who she introduces me to because if I do buy another girl a drink that likely means I like the other girl more than her. She comes to a quick conclusion that introducing me to new girls may mean no drinks for her so that 'buy my sister a drink crap' ends pretty quickly.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2255921]Just wanted to say that I use another approach that has worked well for me over the years. I typically tip the girl at the end of the session. So, when I am in the club, thinking about barfining a girl, as the requests for drinks start raining, I tell my girl that whatever additional drinks I pay will have to come from her tip.[/QUOTE]

Agree. If the girl knows she is even getting a small 100 or 200 baht tip after she sits with you she is less inclined to order another drink. I have tipped girls 500 and 1000 baht in the bar before if I am there most of the night. One gogo girl even starting crying after the tip. Not because of the money but because it showed her I really liked her and no one ever gave her a 1000 baht tip in the bar for no real reason before. Worked out for me in the long run as I got many free dates with her after that. Had to eventually break her heart when I told her I didn't want to be her boyfriend and she saw me liking another girl at the same bar more. The new girl is my current #1 gogo girl and imo no one is even close.

Am I the only one who has walked out after agreeing to a hotel session because the girl pushed too hard for tips and drinks for other girls, mamasans, and waitresses?

The total amount of money involved probably isn't much, but I hate feeling like an ATM.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2255701]I doubt a new girl 2 days in the business that speaks very little English would know where to find our forum. Thanks for coming out though.[/QUOTE]I agree. However the other more experienced girls in the bar might know this forum.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2256036]I agree. However the other more experienced girls in the bar might know this forum.[/QUOTE]Ok we get it. You are one of those members who does not like when others post photos of the girls. I don't care. Sorry to say. It's your preference.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2255983]Am I the only one who has walked out after agreeing to a hotel session because the girl pushed too hard for tips and drinks for other girls, mamasans, and waitresses?

The total amount of money involved probably isn't much, but I hate feeling like an ATM.[/QUOTE]No, you're not the only one.

I took only one girl out of a bar in soi Cowboy and it was a girl from Suzie Wong. I went to see her many times in a week but the money I was spending on her was getting higher each time. She charged me only 2000 baht for a solid ST and 700 BF but the last bill was around 4400 baht just because of these ladydrinks (for her and waitresses). It was the only reason I stooped going there as I could find other better deals elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2256097]Ok we get it. You are one of those members who does not like when others post photos of the girls. I don't care. Sorry to say. It's your preference.[/QUOTE]Bkkdog, I am fine with seeing photos of the girls. But here is a scenario that is not far fetched at all in my experience from times when I used to just give names and locations of girls on boards like these, not even posting photos. There are the occasional White Knights lurking on these boards who may decide it is their mission to inform a girl they recognize, have been with before, want to warn she has been reported to engage in BBFS on the internet and so on. That latter part was a particular issue with me since I was always quite upfront on boards like these about that level of service being key to any positive review I would give a girl other than when it was all about a BJ.

Add to which some of us from time to time find ourselves the target of a weird grudge fixation by someone for reasons that often aren't even related to the general topic at hand.

Not saying that is what happened this time with your Soi 7/1 girl. I would still go with the snoopy boyfriend explanation. However, it has happened with me before and could quite likely happen again within 2-3 hours of me naming names and locations (never mind photos) that some dude with a weird grudge against me and/or against my predeliction for BBFS or a White Knight who also happened to have barfined or knew that girl would be on her phone or Line to tell her about it asap.

Again, not saying that is what happened this time. But the possibility that someone else here has met and knows a girl working in any bar well enough to already have contact info for her and his own reason to send her an interesting "message" about what was said about her online is not as farfetched as I wish it were.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2255756]Getting a beer 5 lady drinks and paying the bar fine for 1250 , not at the larger popular go gos but just maybe possible at one of the smaller bars. Bar fine 500, lady drinks 120 and a beer for 150 adds up to 1250. Also possible cashier made a mistake.[/QUOTE]As I understood Elmo's report, the 1250 baht was only for the drinks and the server's tip. He gave an additional 1000 baht directly to the girl before she changed into her street clothes to leave with him, which she presumably then gave to the mamasan to cover the barfine. That came to 2250 baht total. There was no barfine in the separate 1250 baht drink (and server tip) bill.

Your right as I did post in wrong thread. Probably because I will be staying in Bangkok and making sporadic trips to Pattaya.

No wonder why I couldn't find any responses to my inquiry in the Pattaya thread LOL. As far as the ladies go, I was not terribly impressed by the photos on their website but I like the DFK for price of a LD. Will check out your reviews of gclubs in the Pattaya thread.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2255755]You're posting this in the wrong thread but Camel Toe is not new or even close to new. I have been many times as it is part of my Pattaya G club route. Don't expect top Pattaya gogo quality girls. Don't even expect top Soi 6 girls. Most girls are older. A couple may be ok in their late 20's. Girls are friendly here. Yes, they play music from before I was born. Drinks are cheap. DFK and sometimes HJ after you buy a girl a lady drink which doesn't happen often for me. There are much better G clubs in Pattaya. You can read some of my posts there I won't repeat here since this is the Bangkok thread.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256252]As I understood Elmo's report, the 1250 baht was only for the drinks and the server's tip. He gave an additional 1000 baht directly to the girl before she changed into her street clothes to leave with him, which she presumably then gave to the mamasan to cover the barfine. That came to 2250 baht total. There was no barfine in the separate 1250 baht drink (and server tip) bill.[/QUOTE]If that is how it went down 1250 for drinks only could be at any bar on the strip.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256252]As I understood Elmo's report, the 1250 baht was only for the drinks and the server's tip. He gave an additional 1000 baht directly to the girl before she changed into her street clothes to leave with him, which she presumably then gave to the mamasan to cover the barfine. That came to 2250 baht total. There was no barfine in the separate 1250 baht drink (and server tip) bill.[/QUOTE]Or is it nauseum ad tedium? Anyway dude, you are the master of it big-time! I myself have a more plausible theory: Elmo was high AF from some lethal shit that he copped in a Rocky Mountain high dispensary and stashed in his boxers for the flight over to LOS. That's why he can't remember notting about that night except that he was able to empty his Rocky Mountain oysters into a delectable bar girl! Case closed!

[QUOTE=Bigstud;2256354]Or is it nauseum ad tedium? Anyway dude, you are the master of it big-time! I myself have a more plausible theory: Elmo was high AF from some lethal shit that he copped in a Rocky Mountain high dispensary and stashed in his boxers for the flight over to LOS. That's why he can't remember notting about that night except that he was able to empty his Rocky Mountain oysters into a delectable bar girl! Case closed!! 555.[/QUOTE]LOL. So you would rather at least two other posters puzzle over how on earth Elmo or anyone else could have paid for about 5 Lady Drinks, his drink AND a Soi Cowboy go-go barfine with just 1250 baht than have someone simply point out they apparently missed the part about Elmo paying the girl 1000 baht separately? I didn't have to piece that together by connecting imaginary dots. Elmo mentioned that in at least two different posts.

Whenever we need more support and encouragement for misinformation, we'll be sure to call on you to post again.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256245]Bkkdog, I am fine with seeing photos of the girls. But here is a scenario that is not far fetched at all in my experience from times when I used to just give names and locations of girls on boards like these, not even posting photos. There are the occasional White Knights lurking on these boards who may decide it is their mission to inform a girl they recognize, have been with before, want to warn she has been reported to engage in BBFS on the internet and so on. That latter part was a particular issue with me since I was always quite upfront on boards like these about that level of service being key to any positive review I would give a girl other than when it was all about a BJ.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, I don't know the girl and I will not go to her bar and inform her next time when I'm in BKK. And by the way: I'm a lover of BBFS myself.

I was merely pointing out a possible reason why she suddenly blocked him in Line, that's all. But he's taking it personally and I think I know why.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2256097]Ok we get it. You are one of those members who does not like when others post photos of the girls. I don't care. Sorry to say. It's your preference.[/QUOTE]As I already said I was merely pointing out a possible reason why she suddenly blocked you in Line, that's all.

But I'm indeed not a big fan of photos and I think the BMs who upload them should at least have the decency to make the girls as unrecognizable as possible. Especially when the photos are accompanied by a detailed report of the session they had with her.

But hey, if you don't care: why don't you post some pictures of yourself too?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2256445]Don't worry, I don't know the girl and I will not go to her bar and inform her next time when I'm in BKK. And by the way: I'm a lover of BBFS myself.

I was merely pointing out a possible reason why she suddenly blocked him in Line, that's all. But he's taking it personally and I think I know why.[/QUOTE]Mogwai, I was not referring to you as someone who would do that. And I was only offering what has happened to me in the past and why I don't give out specifics as another possibility.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256434]LOL. So you would rather at least two other posters puzzle over how on earth Elmo or anyone else could have paid for about 5 Lady Drinks, his drink AND a Soi Cowboy go-go barfine with just 1250 baht than have someone simply point out they apparently missed the part about Elmo paying the girl 1000 baht separately? I didn't have to piece that together by connecting imaginary dots. Elmo mentioned that in at least two different posts. Snip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256252]As I understood Elmo's report, the 1250 baht was only for the drinks and the server's tip. He gave an additional 1000 baht directly to the girl before she changed into her street clothes to leave with him, which she presumably then gave to the mamasan to cover the barfine. That came to 2250 baht total. There was no barfine in the separate 1250 baht drink (and server tip) bill.[/QUOTE]You seem to be missing the point that Elmo said Pap would go with him for 1,000 baht, which he paid directly to her, in advance, as her ST fee, not the bar fine. He did not pay her any money at the hotel. He also paid the 1250 tab to the bar. So, per his account, he paid a total of 2,250 for a beer, 5 lady drinks, bar fine, and ST fee for Pap.

It seems to me that there are only two options: 1) if his account is correct, then he is one lucky bastard; or 2) if what you say is correct (that the 1,000 baht he gave her was for the bar fine and not her ST fee), then he is a real bastard who stiffed Pap by not paying her for her services after she provided such good service that he was still jacking off to her the next day.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2256521]You seem to be missing the point that Elmo said Pap would go with him for 1,000 baht, which he paid directly to her, in advance, as her ST fee, not the bar fine. He did not pay her any money at the hotel. He also paid the 1250 tab to the bar. So, per his account, he paid a total of 2,250 for a beer, 5 lady drinks, bar fine, and ST fee for Pap.

It seems to me that there are only two options: 1) if his account is correct, then he is one lucky bastard; or 2) if what you say is correct (that the 1,000 baht he gave her was for the bar fine and not her ST fee), then he is a real bastard who stiffed Pap by not paying her for her services after she provided such good service that he was still jacking off to her the next day.[/QUOTE]I was not trying to justify, excuse or even understand what Elmo thought or did. I was only trying to explain what SHE clearly did with the 1,000 baht he gave her (and, therefore, why his bar tab was only 1250, to which he added another 1,000 baht); she gave that 1,000 baht to the mamasan to cover the cost of the barfine, changed her clothes and left with him. She would not have gotten past the cashier and/or the mamasan in her street clothes and walked out of that bar with a customer unless SOMEBODY had paid the barfine. And it is totally consistent with a hundred thousand barfines paid in Bangkok go-go bars that when you hand 1,000 baht to a girl and say, "I want to barfine you", that girl takes your money and pays the mamasan the cost of the barfine before she changes her clothes and prepares to leave with you.

Again, without characterizing what Elmo thought was going on or what the waitress said to him and how she said it, it is impossible to read the account of it any other way. He uses the word 'barfine" liberally throughout his report regarding Baccara and the bar Pap worked in. He mentions the "barfine" in Baccara and understands very well that payment is different from the amount the girl expects to be paid. That has not changed in the go-go bars since 2008 and did not change from one night to the next when he went from a bad experience in Baccara to a good one in Pap's bar. So it is quite clear that he knew a barfine would have to be paid by somebody before Pap could change her clothes and leave the bar. How or why he could have thought the separate barfine cost was waved by Pap's bar, that she wouldn't have to pay it out of the 1,000 baht he gave her, not to mention what Pap really said to the waitress about what she would need to go with him (get the barfine money from him for starters), is anybody's guess.

Ultimately, it seemed Pap was revving up to ask for or get her money from him afterwards but whatever it was the Thai guy said outside apparently spooked her off the moment and she just walked away from him. As weird as that part was, I don't see that as a blatant attempt on Elmo's part to deny her a ST fee unless there is something more to the story than that. I suspect if Pap had turned to him at that moment and said, "You give me 2,500 baht, honey?", he would probably have done it without making a scene.

[QUOTE=Elmo;2253461]-snip-

Drinks and bar fine total came to about 1500B (don't remember the exact breakdown, [b]but think bar fine was 600-800 B)[/b]. She wanted 3,000B for 1 hour ST or 6,000B for LT - of only 4 hours!! Never heard of LT of only 4 hours, plus was not willing to pay so much without knowing if I was going to get GFE or a dud. Given our chemistry, was hopeful for GFE, but was starting to get a little concerned.

-snip-

NIGHT 2: I wanted to visit the following bars that I had not tried the night before. Cowboy 2; Dollhouse; and Shark. Slowly walked down Soi Cowboy looking at the girls out front, looking for hot young spinners.

-snip-

After finishing her Lady drink, she gets up and goes to dance on a small stage on the far side of the bar. It was apparently her turn to dance there. Waitress, who saw the confused look on my face, asks what is wrong. I mention that I was hoping to bar fine Pap, but she just left to go dance. Waitress says, I will go talk to her. She comes back and says that if I buy Pap two more lady drinks, she will go with me for 1,0000B. I say okay, but lets go over to the small stage where she is at. I buy the waitress another lady drink, get two lady drinks for Pap, and she proceeds to dance extra sexy just for me. After a bit, I say okay, let's go. [b]I give her the 1000B and she goes and changes.[/b] Waitress gives me a bill for 1250B on the drinks. I give her 1500B and she tries to have me let her keep the change. I play dumb as to what she is trying to do, and say bill is 1250B and I gave her 1500B and need my change. Waitress returns my change, I give the waitress 50B and she is very happy and gives me a kiss. She says "Good lover for Pap. You go with Pap every night" before walking away. Wow!

Pap comes back, dressed in street clothes. A tiny pair of shorts and a short little shirt. Looking like one of the cutest teens I have ever seen.

-snip-

I say, hey I will walk you out of the hotel, thinking she would get lost on the way. I quickly get dressed and we leave arm in arm. She has no idea where to go, so I lead her to the elevator, down to the lobby, and out the front door. The whole time she is rubbing my arm, kissing my hand and reaching up and kissing my cheek. We turn down the street back towards Soi cowboy, and I notice 3 thai guys behind us who had been coming down the street. One of them says something. Pap immediately stops, lets go of my hand and then walks off. I look back at the 3 thai guys, but they turn around and quickly walk off in the opposite direction. Not sure what they said. I watch Pap walk away, thinking that could just be a gorgeous young girl that I fantasize about as I pass her on the street. But, instead I just had 2 plus hours of great bareback sex with her. Pap never looks bad.

-snip-

Bangkok 2018 - both good and bad. Your mileage may vary.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elmo;2254882] [b]I told the waitress I would bar fine Pap. (This was after the waitress found out for me that Pap would go with me if I paid Pap 1,000 baht and if I got Pap 2 more lady drinks. I had already bought Pap 1 lady drink, so that is why I believe I bought Pap a total of 3 lady drinks, plus the 2 lady drinks for the waitress -1st one soon after I started talking to her, and the 2nd for the waitress when she returned with the price info on Pap. I agreed to all of this: 2 more lady drinks for Pap, plus 1 000 baht, which I assumed would be ST.[/b] When I was ready to leave with Pap, after having only 1 beer, and declining a 2nd Singha, the waitress gave me a bill of 1,250 baht. I paid it with a 1,000 note and a 500 note. As I reported, waitress tried to get me to let her keep the change. I played dumb. Waitress returned with my 250 baht change and I gave her 50 baht tip. So total cost paid to waitress was 1,300 baht.

At the bar, while the waitress was getting my change, I rolled a 1,000 baht note up and put it in Pap's halter top, between her lovely little breasts. [b]So I gave Pap the 1,000 baht she had asked for. Pap then went an changed into a pair of short shorts and a small shirt.[/b] We then walked back to my deluxe room at the Pullman.

So total cost that night for a 2 pop ST was 2,300 baht. Was probably with her for 90 minutes or so, just a guess.
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So Elmo paid this and then ended up getting that and maybe he's full of shit or maybe he got lucky. 1250 and 1000 and then .........

Oh wait, excuse me young lady. May I buy you a drink? Did you know you have a really nice ass? How long have you worked here? May I say you are really stunning? Oh, you have to go dance now. Will you go topless? Can you shoot ping pong balls out your pussy? I'd pay to see that. What? You want me to buy a drink for your friend, her friend, and her friend's cousine? Sure why not. Ok now I want to barfine you. How much for LT? 20,000 baht? WTF! Well maybe that's ok but what will you do for me? Can I fuck you BB? Can I cum in your pussy? Can I fuck your ass? If I'm going to pay that much, you must perform for me! Oh wait! Is that a nose job? Fuck, I can't bar fine you now. Oh and by the way, I've got game. I have fucked the top rated Go go girls in Bangkok and Pattaya. You must go with me for free now. Be careful though. My seduction techniques include spiders and snakes. Oh and don't be shy. I'm going to post all your photos on a sex forum. Shit, where am I? What the hell! Must have been a nightmare. LT 20,000 Baht? Fuck, I remember when LT was 200 Baht, the girls would lick my ass, fuck me BB, let me cum in their pussies, and give me a blow job right their in the bar. Those were the good old days! The hell with Thailand. Fuck MP and BKK dog for driving up the prices. I'll show them. I'll move to Cambodia. Wait a minute. What's all this talk of BB Sex? Do you know that's dangerous? Are you following BKK Dog? Hey, don't lecture me. I train my girls. They know not to drink their LDs too fast. Really? Well Noi on Soi 6 gives a great BBJ but after fucking 10 girls in less than a day, I still can't cum. She scammed me again! Why can't she be more sensitive to my needs? Fucking star fish! If I see her again, I'll look the other way. Hey baby, can I bar fine you again? What? Shit, again? Where is my 40 year old virgin Thai GF? She can make me cum in a heartbeat. What the hell did I tell you? Don't buy premium!

Just another day on ISG......

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2256553]So Elmo paid this and then ended up getting that and maybe he's full of shit or maybe he got lucky. 1250 and 1000 and then .........

Oh wait, excuse me young lady. May I buy you a drink? Did you know you have a really nice ass? How long have you worked here? May I say you are really stunning? Oh, you have to go dance now. Will you go topless? Can you shoot ping pong balls out your pussy? I'd pay to see that. What? You want me to buy a drink for your friend, her friend, and her friend's cousine? Sure why not. Ok now I want to barfine you. How much for LT? 20,000 baht? WTF! Well maybe that's ok but what will you do for me? Can I fuck you BB? Can I cum in your pussy? Can I fuck your ass? If I'm going to pay that much, you must perform for me! Oh wait! Is that a nose job? Fuck, I can't bar fine you now. Oh and by the way, I've got game. I have fucked the top rated Go go girls in Bangkok and Pattaya. You must go with me for free now. Be careful though. My seduction techniques include spiders and snakes. Oh and don't be shy. I'm going to post all your photos on a sex forum. Shit, where am I? What the hell! Must have been a nightmare. LT 20,000 Baht? Fuck, I remember when LT was 200 Baht, the girls would lick my ass, fuck me BB, let me cum in their pussies, and give me a blow job right their in the bar. Those were the good old days! The hell with Thailand. Fuck MP and BKK dog for driving up the prices. I'll show them. I'll move to Cambodia. Wait a minute. What's all this talk of BB Sex? Do you know that's dangerous? Are you following BKK Dog? Hey, don't lecture me. I train my girls. They know not to drink their LDs too fast. Really? Well Noi on Soi 6 gives a great BBJ but after fucking 10 girls in less than a day, I still can't cum. She scammed me again! Why can't she be more sensitive to my needs? Fucking star fish! If I see her again, I'll look the other way. Hey baby, can I bar fine you again? What? Shit, again? Where is my 40 year old virgin Thai GF? She can make me cum in a heartbeat. What the hell did I tell you? Don't buy premium!

Just another day on ISG......[/QUOTE]I laughed so hard I have tears in my eyes. You have a talent my friend!

Bkkdog.

Too funny! LOL.

Eih Tooms.

You're certainly making the case for Elmo deliberately stiffing Pap since he didn't pay her in the hotel when the session was finished, which is standard procedure. He was going to pay her in the middle of the street but some Thai guys just happened to show up and scare her off before he could pay her? Talk about luck! He couldn't go back to the bar to give her the money he owed her if he was serious about paying her?

Since we don't what the fuck happened (if anything at all happened), a possible scenario: Elmo is pissed about the previous night's bad session, so is going to make up for it. He promises Pap who knows how much to go with him and do all that she did. He pays the bar tab and the bar fine. At the end of the session, he says that he doesn't have enough cash to pay her and he needs to go to an ATM with her to get the cash. Before they get to the ATM some of his Thai buddies show up and threaten Pap, who runs off without the money.

Ridiculous? Maybe, but not much more so than his story.

In any event, I have wasted too much time on Elmo's story and will desist from commenting any more on this.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2256613]Bkkdog.

Too funny! LOL.

Eih Tooms.

You're certainly............

In any event, I have wasted too much time on Elmo's story and will desist from commenting any more on this..........[/QUOTE]Really?

Some people just don't get it.
I can’t catch a break! I guess I better book a smooci girl and shut the fuck up.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2256621]Really?

Some people just don't get it.
I cant catch a break! I guess I better book a smooci girl and shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I wanted to get a last comment in before the ban went into effect. Mum's the word. :)

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2256553]So Elmo paid this and then ended up getting that and maybe he's full of shit or maybe he got lucky. 1250 and 1000 and then .........

Oh wait, excuse me young lady. May I buy you a drink? Did you know you have a really nice ass? How long have you worked here? May I say you are really stunning? Oh, you have to go dance now. Will you go topless? Can you shoot ping pong balls out your pussy? I'd pay to see that. What? You want me to buy a drink for your friend, her friend, and her friend's cousine? Sure why not. Ok now I want to barfine you. How much for LT? 20,000 baht? WTF! Well maybe that's ok but what will you do for me? Can I fuck you BB? Can I cum in your pussy? Can I fuck your ass? If I'm going to pay that much, you must perform for me! Oh wait! Is that a nose job? Fuck, I can't bar fine you now. Oh and by the way, I've got game. I have fucked the top rated Go go girls in Bangkok and Pattaya. You must go with me for free now. Be careful though. My seduction techniques include spiders and snakes. Oh and don't be shy. I'm going to post all your photos on a sex forum. Shit, where am I? What the hell! Must have been a nightmare. LT 20,000 Baht? Fuck, I remember when LT was 200 Baht, the girls would lick my ass, fuck me BB, let me cum in their pussies, and give me a blow job right their in the bar. Those were the good old days! The hell with Thailand. Fuck MP and BKK dog for driving up the prices. I'll show them. I'll move to Cambodia. Wait a minute. What's all this talk of BB Sex? Do you know that's dangerous? Are you following BKK Dog? Hey, don't lecture me. I train my girls. They know not to drink their LDs too fast. Really? Well Noi on Soi 6 gives a great BBJ but after fucking 10 girls in less than a day, I still can't cum. She scammed me again! Why can't she be more sensitive to my needs? Fucking star fish! If I see her again, I'll look the other way. Hey baby, can I bar fine you again? What? Shit, again? Where is my 40 year old virgin Thai GF? She can make me cum in a heartbeat. What the hell did I tell you? Don't buy premium!

Just another day on ISG......[/QUOTE]LO fucking L.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2256613] He was going to pay her in the middle of the street but some Thai guys just happened to show up and scare her off before he could pay her? Talk about luck! [/QUOTE]Thai guys in street bullshit. Unlikely to have any relevancy whatsoever, just a misinterpretation by Elmo most likely, as to why the girl left him very suddenly. She was probably pissed off. Did she know them? Possible? Who cares? Is it going to cause her to forgo getting paid unless was her brother (unlikely). We know he had no intention to pay her more money. His 1K up front covered it. Ha ha. Bottom of the barrel street walker price with no BF.

Mis-communication, misinterpretation, misdirection, etc.

I would never post such am implausible story and forget the bar, and probably get the girl's name wrong as well, nor try to trigger a stampede for the girl, best value bargirl since 2008. His one post has triggered such a massive debate. Why do that? Better not to reveal what you paid, and not mention Thai guys on the street. Lots of drinks and then stingy for the sex price. Seems unbalanced. I would not post how many drinks I bought and what I paid for them (and not know the drinks price each). On entering a bar, I always take an early peek at the bill to find out if Lady Drinks are 170 or 200 or even more than 200 in some places. I then usually notice the count of lady drinks so does not get too silly. Obviously also ask the Barfine costs. This means I prefer to stay cold sober too.

All these things would not happen with a regular guy here. So a tourist visitor knows no better and thought all the prices made sense?

As I am in Pussy Prison USA for a couple months, can I respectfully ask you to stop discussing Elmo and the mythical girl and instead go fuck some fine Thai pussy? Do it for me. Do it for the team. You will be lauded with praise for your heroic actions. Please stop typing and go fuck a girl. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2256802]As I am in Pussy Prison USA for a couple months, can I respectfully ask you to stop discussing Elmo and the mythical girl and instead go fuck some fine Thai pussy? Do it for me. Do it for the team. You will be lauded with praise for your heroic actions. Please stop typing and go fuck a girl. Thank you.[/QUOTE]The moderators don't like guys discouraging others from posting. I have been warned myself about the same. Meanwhile I am stuck in a place with no access to Thai pussy also. Temporary "monk". I wonder how many weeks I can go with no sex.

If you don't like a post, you don't have to read it, and you can tell not to read already by the handle at the top. If only I had something more useful to post, and likewise for you. Reading other fuck posts, is not going to help me at all, especially if they don't even seem real.

Miscommunications in a bar is a perfectly fine topic in my view. It is a mongering topic. Yes, has been done to death.

In town tonight. Just read through a few pages and found no reviews at all. Just squabbling over Tickle me Elmo. Trying to decide between Thermae or Patpong / Thaniya road. Any recent info from anyone?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2256805]The moderators don't like guys discouraging others from posting. I have been warned myself about the same.[/QUOTE]Syzy, I don't think the moderators care or are paying much attention to that lately. We have had a rash of posters who try very hard to prevent other posters from posting, denigrate what they post, talk trash about how they post, more or less urge them not to post, openly urge others to ignore their posts and so on. And they seem to repeat that behavior over and over without any evidence of moderator intervention.

I have had a post deleted in the past by Admin because it was thought to be "Largely argumentative, etc." But I see many other such posts quite often these days and they are not deleted and are instead allowed to remain in the thread just fine, unedited and untouched.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2256913]In town tonight. Just read through a few pages and found no reviews at all. Just squabbling over Tickle me Elmo. Trying to decide between Thermae or Patpong / Thaniya road. Any recent info from anyone?[/QUOTE]Here is the most recent bar review I found in this thread, 3 1/2 pages back:

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2255332]-snip-

Got to say as I looked at every girl in the line ups at Cowboy 2 and The Dollhouse last night I sure did not see one girl who exuded anything but a rather hardened and jaded demeanor where the possibility of them walking away and forgetting to get paid after the sex was about as likely as one tossing me her only smartphone and saying "You can keep it, I'm bored with it."[/QUOTE]However, it is a review of a couple of Soi Cowboy go-go bar line ups and not for the venues you mentioned.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2256913]In town tonight. Just read through a few pages and found no reviews at all. Just squabbling over Tickle me Elmo. Trying to decide between Thermae or Patpong / Thaniya road. Any recent info from anyone?[/QUOTE]My review on Soi 7/1 was buried amongst all that nonsense. Search my posts and you will see it. Tickle me Elmo. I love it!!! Here it it for you and there are photos too.


[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2255258]I just wasn't feeling Soi Cowboy last night and figured if I went to Nana, it would just be the same thing. Then I remember chatting with a young girl on Thai Friendly who worked at a small bar on Soi 7/1. I went to check it out. As you walk down the Soi on your right hand side you will see 2 massage shops, just around a short bend in the Soi. Next will be 2 small bars. I spotted this cute as seen in my photos below. Turns out she was only 2 days in the business. I spoke with her in my broken Thai and her friend / co-worker translated what she didn't understand. To make a long story short, 2,500 in drinks for me and the two girls, flirting, joking and making future plans to go clubbing together at levels. A great night at a little hole in the wall on Soi 7. 1 ended with be barfining her for 500 Baht and 2,500 LT. A real true GFE in the sense of everything including my finishing inside.

The photo of her last night in the bar is tje one with her wearing my sun glasses and the other 2 are taken from her line. I love Bangkok![/QUOTE]

Nana and Soi Cowboy are full of girls with no customers. There have been tons of girls out on the soi and in front of the bars trying to push customers inside but inside no customers.

Thanks guys. My night was a complete bust due to stomach pains. No session only some boring commentary.

Arrived at thermae at 830. Thermae was decent. Didn't really start filling up with girls until 930. Lots of new faces for me and a couple wouldn't stop pestering me. Luckily they were pretty decent looking. One of the best girls there shot down 5 guys both Asian and farang until she settled with a tall handsum Korean in his 20's. Oddly she seemed smiley at me maybe because I was laughing watching her reject guys. If not for my stomach issues I would have made an attempt to go with her too.

Saw about 10 farang. Can't blame the girls for not going with them. Some looked like they were staying in a khaosan road hostel. Others were wearing tank tops. One was burping as he walked past the girls. They looked disgusted. Since I couldn't do anything decided to leave just before 10.

Decided to walk to 7/1. My first ever fly by of wood and chrome. I wasn't expecting much for looks but thought if one was OK I'd do it because I never had before. I expected old hags. Tbh some were at least in late 20's. They were screaming for my attention. I was the only guy on the entire soi. I didn't see anyone worth trying. Did see a decent petite girl at one of the bars. Noticed most were ladyboy bars but this bar had a decent girl. Likely a mistake but I decided to go see my hostess girl at kc1.

Kc1 kind of sucked. Lots of girls but maybe only 1 or 2 there. I really only hang out with my hostess girl. I think miss universe thailand walked by. It was pure mayhem as she stopped in front of kc1. Gogo girls all ran outside to take photos.

Sorry for the long winded non review. Waiting for my ex thermae regular to Line me. If not I will get some much needed sleep.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2257057]Thanks guys. My night was a complete bust due to stomach pains. No session only some boring commentary.

Arrived at thermae at 830. Thermae was decent. Didn't really start filling up with girls until 930. Lots of new faces for me and a couple wouldn't stop pestering me. Luckily they were pretty decent looking. One of the best girls there shot down 5 guys both Asian and farang until she settled with a tall handsum Korean in his 20's. Oddly she seemed smiley at me maybe because I was laughing watching her reject guys. If not for my stomach issues I would have made an attempt to go with her too.

Saw about 10 farang. Can't blame the girls for not going with them. Some looked like they were staying in a khaosan road hostel. Others were wearing tank tops. One was burping as he walked past the girls. They looked disgusted. Since I couldn't do anything decided to leave just before 10.

Decided to walk to 7/1. My first ever fly by of wood and chrome. I wasn't expecting much for looks but thought if one was OK I'd do it because I never had before. I expected old hags. Tbh some were at least in late 20's. They were screaming for my attention. I was the only guy on the entire soi. I didn't see anyone worth trying. Did see a decent petite girl at one of the bars. Noticed most were ladyboy bars but this bar had a decent girl. Likely a mistake but I decided to go see my hostess girl at kc1.

Kc1 kind of sucked. Lots of girls but maybe only 1 or 2 there. I really only hang out with my hostess girl. I think miss universe thailand walked by. It was pure mayhem as she stopped in front of kc1. Gogo girls all ran outside to take photos.

Sorry for the long winded non review. Waiting for my ex thermae regular to Line me. If not I will get some much needed sleep.[/QUOTE]Seriously your non review is much more interesting than a lot of the recent discussion. I also found your observations of that top girl interesting. There are those in various forums that argue looks, charm, being a gentleman etc don't matter. Pretty sure you observed just the opposite. Sure the lady wants money first and foremost but if she can choose, she will.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256920]Syzy, I don't think the moderators care or are paying much attention to that lately. We have had a rash of posters who try very hard to prevent other posters from posting, denigrate what they post, talk trash about how they post, more or less urge them not to post, openly urge others to ignore their posts and so on. And they seem to repeat that behavior over and over without any evidence of moderator intervention.

I have had a post deleted in the past by Admin because it was thought to be "Largely argumentative, etc." But I see many other such posts quite often these days and they are not deleted and are instead allowed to remain in the thread just fine, unedited and untouched.[/QUOTE]While I am a moderator my work is on the other site not the international so I only use this site as a monger not a worker.

The issue you describe happens because some people are unmoderated v moderated senior members. When a person goes through the process of regular to senior member without getting on our radar their posts no longer get read by us they simply go directly live. If there is a senior who is acting like an asshole abusing people and somebody reports one of their posts then we review their last 50 posts. If they have a history of being an asshole then we put them back on moderation. Generally that happens if they have two argumentative posts in a six month period. I haven't checked but perhaps you are on moderation and the people you're speaking of are not. If they aren't then it's not a question of them being allowed to post, it's because we are unaware of what they are posting.

Then again, sometimes we fuck up and just miss some douchey shit, it happens, we look at a lot of posts.

In any event, Thailand has a fight thread, if you want to call somebody an asshole just take it to the fight thread and have a good time.

A2.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2256984]My review on Soi 7/1 was buried amongst all that nonsense. Search my posts and you will see it. Tickle me Elmo. I love it!!! Here it it for you and there are photos too.

-snip-[/QUOTE]Sure, Bkkdog, now that you have been gifted with the long sought Lost Dutchman's Gold Mine map to where and how to locate the little lady in question, I suppose you won't be posting a followup report on having found her and what the hell happened that night, right? Haha.

Thanks for nothing, you "STOP posting about that and please get back to the same reviews of the go-go bar lineups and Thermae we have been reading for years!" guys. Your timing could not have been worse.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2257231]While I am a moderator my work is on the other site not the international so I only use this site as a monger not a worker.

The issue you describe happens because some people are unmoderated v moderated senior members. When a person goes through the process of regular to senior member without getting on our radar their posts no longer get read by us they simply go directly live. If there is a senior who is acting like an asshole abusing people and somebody reports one of their posts then we review their last 50 posts. If they have a history of being an asshole then we put them back on moderation. Generally that happens if they have two argumentative posts in a six month period. I haven't checked but perhaps you are on moderation and the people you're speaking of are not. If they aren't then it's not a question of them being allowed to post, it's because we are unaware of what they are posting.

Then again, sometimes we fuck up and just miss some douchey shit, it happens, we look at a lot of posts.

In any event, Thailand has a fight thread, if you want to call somebody an asshole just take it to the fight thread and have a good time.

A2.[/QUOTE]Thanks much for the attention and followup. Very interesting. I did not know about those particulars.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2257231]While I am a moderator my work is on the other site not the international so I only use this site as a monger not a worker.

A2.[/QUOTE]Which "other site"? USA? It would be interesting to know which others are available.

While we are at it can r3 ports pre 2002 be accessed?

[quote=admin2;2257231]

snip

in any event, thailand has a fight thread, if you want to call somebody an asshole just take it to the fight thread and have a good time.

A2.[/quote]a-fucking-men.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2257252]Sure, Bkkdog, now that you have been gifted with the long sought Lost Dutchman's Gold Mine map to where and how to locate the little lady in question, I suppose you won't be posting a followup report on having found her and what the hell happened that night, right? Haha.

Thanks for nothing, you "STOP posting about that and please get back to the same reviews of the go-go bar lineups and Thermae we have been reading for years!" guys. Your timing could not have been worse.[/QUOTE]Give me some time LOL. I will go back to Soi Cowboy next week and try to find her.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2031973] Shebas was my favourite bar till it closed. [/QUOTE]I found these old photos of Shebas girls from the mid 2000's. Not sure if you know any of them, but here they are.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2257683]I found these old photos of Shebas girls from the mid 2000's. Not sure if you know any of them, but here they are.[/QUOTE]Not sure if I was attending in those years I would have to do a search for my first Sheba report. I recognise the first girl (definitely not my taste) and maybe one other. My preference was for girls with no implants and quite slim but beautiful asses, so I don't even remember if ever did a girl from Sheba with implants. Probably not. I did take two implants girls at least from Suzie W, being Paula and Anne. I was willing to do it, it a very good job and still soft enough.

I know other guys like big tits, real or not, but for me it is much more about natural beauty shape than size, so very small is okay For me if not saggy deflated types. Maybe I will find some Sheba girl pics for later.

Just checked and found early 2000's I had a Thai girlfriend who watched me like a Hawk, and was like a detective. Was mainly attending Soapies on the sly and not much bars at all. Some bar girls mainly from Nana area. It wasn't till 2005 or 2006 that I discovered nudity was back in Cowboy in Long Gun and Suzie Wong, where nudity had been in Nana in the 1990s for a few years. Yes nudity was there in Cowboy a few years earlier than I realised, but I did not know nor join ISG until 2005 or 2006, so was blissfully unaware. My main time in Sheba would have been from about 2010 and a regular till its closure, hence did not know most of your girls. Sheba would have closed about 2013 I guess, so had not many years there.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2257702]My main time in Sheba would have been from about 2010 and a regular till its closure, hence did not know most of your girls. Sheba would have closed about 2013 I guess, so had not many years there.[/QUOTE]Those pics would have been from around 2007. That Tequila chick was skinny with small tits before she got the boob job. She was a regular in the lesbian show. The other girl with fake boobs, Jay, was kind of their "superstar" back then. She didn't look so good back in the room but she looked great on stage and was the main focus in their website at the time.

I frequent many BJ bars. Until now, my favorite girl was Tik from Kasalong. Changed my opinion after visiting 7 Heaven today.

Was free in the afternoon on father's day. So thought of checking this place on Soi 33. Quite easy to spot with all the pink decor. Although marketed as a Jap place, I had no issues in getting in (I am of Indian descent). There were 4 asian customers in the lobby pre / after the session. Mamasan was quite enthusiastic. Quickly showed the ladies on menu. 10 on shift, but only 5 were available - 2 from remaining were quite cute. Chose Puppy. With Handcuffs.

Got Drink; Went up. Puppy was super cool. Girl next door types. She initiated small talk with friendly touches here and there. But was very shy / homely types, not the typical girl you see in an MP. Petite A Cup with a cute face.

Went up. The rooms are, ummm not exactly rooms. Cubicles with partitions half-way. Easy to hear what's happening on the other side. Basics as usual. A sink to wash, bed, table. Puppy went out to get her paraphernalia and came back in 3-4 minutes. We took off our clothes and then she washed and dried me well. Then asked me to lie down while she cleaned her mouth etc. Then the deed started. Very sensual nipple lick, allowed kissing too (cheeks, neck, shoulders; didn't try mouth, it's a BJ bar folks). Was followed by balls and then she handcuffed herself and took little johnny in her. I nutted within 1 min of her starting the actual BJ. Embarrassing. She took all the load in mouth peacefully, then went down to spit.

Since it quite early of 40-minutes; she asked if I want one more shot (without extra money. That's the policy of the shop). I thought won't be ready again. So said no (regretted later. As I was hard after 15 minutes just by thinking about her). She then said let me massage you for a while then. Massaged legs and back for 10 minutes. Wasn't helping much. And there was another customer in the next room with a moaning girl. So I just said let's move. She then cleaned me again, set up the room and we left.

Overall very GFE and non-mechanical experience. Would try other girls here again and puppy too.

Pros:

- Many girls are young, cute and good looking unlike other BJ bars where 50% are old and 50% fat.

- No rush (YMMV and maybe depends on the girl, time of day but experience here was good).

- If you shoot early, they give you another shot for free (else 300 be extra for another shot).

Cons:

- Not very private, if that's what you want.

- No line-up, you only get to see girls on iPad. However, pics are accurate (in fact puppy looked better).

Overall: WIR.

Damages - 1300 (BJ, 40-minutes) + 300 (Hand-cuffs) + 100 Tip.

P.S. : Apologies for bad pics; did the best I could. Will give you some sense of the room and girl.

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2257802]I frequent many BJ bars. Until now, my favorite girl was Tik from Kasalong. Changed my opinion after visiting 7 Heaven today.

Was free in the afternoon on father's day. So thought of checking this place on Soi 33. Quite easy to spot with all the pink decor. Although marketed as a Jap place, I had no issues in getting in (I am of Indian descent). There were 4 asian customers in the lobby pre / after the session. Mamasan was quite enthusiastic. Quickly showed the ladies on menu. 10 on shift, but only 5 were available - 2 from remaining were quite cute. Chose Puppy. With Handcuffs.

Got Drink; Went up. Puppy was super cool. Girl next door types. She initiated small talk with friendly touches here and there. But was very shy / homely types, not the typical girl you see in an MP. Petite A Cup with a cute face.

Went up. The rooms are, ummm not exactly rooms. Cubicles with partitions half-way. Easy to hear what's happening on the other side. Basics as usual. A sink to wash, bed, table. Puppy went out to get her paraphernalia and came back in 3-4 minutes. We took off our clothes and then she washed and dried me well. Then asked me to lie down while she cleaned her mouth etc. Then the deed started. Very sensual nipple lick, allowed kissing too (cheeks, neck, shoulders; didn't try mouth, it's a BJ bar folks). Was followed by balls and then she handcuffed herself and took little johnny in her. I nutted within 1 min of her starting the actual BJ. Embarrassing. She took all the load in mouth peacefully, then went down to spit.

Since it quite early of 40-minutes; she asked if I want one more shot (without extra money. That's the policy of the shop). I thought won't be ready again. So said no (regretted later. As I was hard after 15 minutes just by thinking about her). She then said let me massage you for a while then. Massaged legs and back for 10 minutes. Wasn't helping much. And there was another customer in the next room with a moaning girl. So I just said let's move. She then cleaned me again, set up the room and we left.

Overall very GFE and non-mechanical experience. Would try other girls here again and puppy too.

Pros:

- Many girls are young, cute and good looking unlike other BJ bars where 50% are old and 50% fat.

- No rush (YMMV and maybe depends on the girl, time of day but experience here was good).

- If you shoot early, they give you another shot for free (else 300 be extra for another shot).

Cons:

- Not very private, if that's what you want.

- No line-up, you only get to see girls on iPad. However, pics are accurate (in fact puppy looked better).

Overall: WIR.

Damages - 1300 (BJ, 40-minutes) + 300 (Hand-cuffs) + 100 Tip.

P.S. : Apologies for bad pics; did the best I could. Will give you some sense of the room and girl.[/QUOTE]The price of 1300 is the reason why the girls are better quality. I'm wondering if there is a VIP room like in the other bars with a normal bed? I often like this this option for FS. This option is 1700 in the other BJ bars. I imagine it will be more here.


Wow, I just called and they have bigger mirror room but no vip room for FS and I was told no FS either. Has anyone gotten FS from here? It’s pososble for safety reasons she said no but who knows. Any info would be greatly appreciated but I will go to check it out regardless to see what I can muster up with my “game” lol

Where is MP when I need him. Lol

[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2257802]I frequent many BJ bars. Until now, my favorite girl was Tik from Kasalong. Changed my opinion after visiting 7 Heaven today.

Snip. Chose Puppy. With Handcuffs.

Snip. Then the deed started. Very sensual nipple lick, allowed kissing too (cheeks, neck, shoulders; didn't try mouth, it's a BJ bar folks). Was followed by balls and then she handcuffed herself and took little johnny in her. I nutted within 1 min of her starting the actual BJ. Embarrassing. She took all the load in mouth peacefully, then went down to spit. Snip.[/QUOTE]What's with the handcuffs? She handcuffed herself to give you a blowjob? Why? Is this a particular fetish of yours and you provided the handcuffs or is it common enough that they have their own handcuffs and I have just never heard about this fetish?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2257057]Thanks guys. My night was a complete bust due to stomach pains. No session only some boring commentary.
Decided to walk to 7/1. My first ever fly by of wood and chrome. I wasn't expecting much for looks but thought if one was OK I'd do it because I never had before. I expected old hags. Tbh some were at least in late 20's. They were screaming for my attention. I was the only guy on the entire soi. I didn't see anyone worth trying. Did see a decent petite girl at one of the bars. Noticed most were ladyboy bars but this bar had a decent girl.[/QUOTE]Most are not ladyboy bars. There's a katooey bar / massage operation about one-third of the way down the road that can color the whole experience. They're aggressive but they do take a friendly no for an answer.

Sadly, Wood and Chrome have gone way downhill since the Dr. BJ's era. Eden and Magic Table often don't have any staff sitting outside, so they look pretty forlorn. However, if you slow down and spend some time in the hotel-affiliated bars you may discover, as I did, a gem. Just don't be looking for Natt Chanapa, and realize that most women get to 27 before they really get skilled at it. (BTW, Natt is 33. I'd do her!

As for the woman I spent time with: 2 K overnight, superb Thai massage included, great personality, kind, lots of attention to personal details, excellent companionship. WIR? YID. Not someone you'd pick if you went looking for a quick bang with an 18-year-old. We all value different aspects of the experience.

One thing I enjoy is talking and getting to know the backstory of some of the people I meet, so long as they aren't trying to sell me a tale about a sick water buffalo and needing to send money to their family in Issan.

I was sitting in one of the Soi 4 bars looking out at the Nana Hotel parking lot and got into a conversation with a girl who grew up in Bangkok. I had to honestly tell her that she shouldn't waste too much time with me because I wasn't going to go with her (not even remotely attracted top her, but I didn't say it that way). "It's OK," she said, "I don't like to sleep with men when I'm not interested because it's boring. " While I was trying to figure out whether I'd just been insulted, a voice called out excitedly from the sidewalk, followed by a quick conversation in Thai. The middle-aged woman on the sidewalk grinned and waved to me. "Is my doh-tah," she proclaimed proudly. It takes all kinds.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2257926]What's with the handcuffs? She handcuffed herself to give you a blowjob? Why? Is this a particular fetish of yours and you provided the handcuffs or is it common enough that they have their own handcuffs and I have just never heard about this fetish?[/QUOTE]The handcuffs is an add-on. It is on the menu, like in several other japanese orientated Pink Salons.

Spent 23 days in Bkk this time. Spent too much time on Soi 7. The Beer Garden is an interesting place to shoot down a few beers. Easy women who only need eye contact and they are yours. A little pass their pull date but still have many miles left. These ladies do not disappoint. You will never get a starfish here. They know how to please a man.

Some evenings didn't even make it into the bar. There are Momma sans with tables on Soi 7 and the all have a few girls ready to entertain. I found the last table on the right had some young ladies that were not that bad. Spent time with them and pulled a few ST for 1500. These girls were very good also. Real intense GF and even clean the room after finished. Wash the dishes and fold your clothes. Sweet.

I was staying in an ABNB on Asok Montari about 2 k from Sukhumvit. I like to walk and get the exercise so no problem. Across the road is the Pullman Hotel and there is a Soi 23 behind with many massage shops. Also a great Craft beer outdoor bar on the corner. I needed a good massage and found a cutie yelling at me as I crossed the road. I ask for an oily and she jumped at the chance. Once in the room she ask if I wanted a body to body and BJ for 1500. I said sure but I eat you same same. She said she never did that before. An we proceeded to please each other, she came big time and just laid there spent. I rolled over and proceeded to fuck her hard and long. She really got into it and when we were both finished she was very happy. I believe she was never eaten before. She said that no one ever suggested it and she has never had a BF. Just works everyday. She's 28, a little pimpui, but a tight athletic body. I gave her 2000. Those MP's are all full service.

I booked 10 ladies from TC and TF. One was in Sura Buri and another was in Ayutthaya. I rented a car and drove to Sara Buri, met the lady and she took me to a local bar with Thai rock and roll, cheap beer and food. She had lied and her photo was 10 years ago. She was 65 kilos instead of 50. Wanted to spend the night but was worried about her daughter that just gave birth and wanted to get back to her. I agreed.

Next day off to Ayutthaya, the lady I met is a distributor and agreed to be a guide to all of the Temples. It was a great experience. I extended and stayed 2 days. We had dinner on the river and the hotel had a jacuzzi, which we loved for 2 nights. A very loving and sweet lady. A little on the pimpui side but not bad.

A friend showed up the last 7 days and it was nice to have a wing man. Hit all the usual places and enjoyed the action.

RL.

[QUOTE=Zahle;2258007]The handcuffs is an add-on. It is on the menu, like in several other japanese orientated Pink Salons.[/QUOTE]Thanks. However, what is the point of her handcuffing herself? How does that improve her blowjob? Is it some kind of bondage thing that the customer wants?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2258059]Thanks. However, what is the point of her handcuffing herself? How does that improve her blowjob? Is it some kind of bondage thing that the customer wants?[/QUOTE]One lady that I spent some time with, worked thru Thermae and she said that all Japanese guys have mini vibrators and sex toys. Look at the culture, look at the ladies in Thermae that dress and make up like Animi.

RL.

These ladies do not disappoint. You will never get a starfish here. They know how to please a man.

Some evenings didn't even make it into the bar. There are Momma sans with tables on Soi 7 and the all have a few girls ready to entertain. I found the last table on the right had some young ladies that were not that bad. Spent time with them and pulled a few ST for 1500. These girls were very good also. Real intense GF and even clean the room after finished. Wash the dishes and fold your clothes. Sweet.

All I can say hats off to you! Very lucky to find the real idea of a Thai courtesan. This was standard operating procedure in the past but is still alive if you train your lady correctly.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2258053]Spent 23 days in Bkk this time. Spent too much time on Soi 7. The Beer Garden is an interesting place to shoot down a few beers. Easy women who only need eye contact and they are yours. A little pass their pull date but still have many miles left. These ladies do not disappoint. You will never get a starfish here. They know how to please a man.

Some evenings didn't even make it into the bar. There are Momma sans with tables on Soi 7 and the all have a few girls ready to entertain. I found the last table on the right had some young ladies that were not that bad. Spent time with them and pulled a few ST for 1500. These girls were very good also. Real intense GF and even clean the room after finished. Wash the dishes and fold your clothes. Sweet.

A friend showed up the last 7 days and it was nice to have a wing man. Hit all the usual places and enjoyed the action.

RL.[/QUOTE]Haven't been to Bang'kok last 7/8 years. But this weekend I will be there- old times sake.

Always had a good time at Biergarten 7/1, talent varies. If you sit and drink enough beer. Somebody to your liking would ultimately show up. Great daytime place food / drink, pickups.

And how is the Bamboo bar (3/1) doing, I had great time there. Is it still alive and happening?

Have ST / LT rates gone up now. It used to 1000/3000 - now I read higher rates here??

Any other new to go places that need be explored.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2257231]While I am a moderator my work is on the other site not the international so I only use this site as a monger not a worker.

The issue you describe happens because some people are unmoderated v moderated senior members. When a person goes through the process of regular to senior member without getting on our radar their posts no longer get read by us they simply go directly live. If there is a senior who is acting like an asshole abusing people and somebody reports one of their posts then we review their last 50 posts. If they have a history of being an asshole then we put them back on moderation. Generally that happens if they have two argumentative posts in a six month period. I haven't checked but perhaps you are on moderation and the people you're speaking of are not. If they aren't then it's not a question of them being allowed to post, it's because we are unaware of what they are posting.

Then again, sometimes we fuck up and just miss some douchey shit, it happens, we look at a lot of posts.

In any event, Thailand has a fight thread, if you want to call somebody an asshole just take it to the fight thread and have a good time.

A2.[/QUOTE]Do Arguments matter, do Moderators have to get involved.

Live and let Live, and Let Die. Ignore ignorants and do your thing- monger and have fun.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2258053]Spent 23 days in Bkk this time. Spent too much time on Soi 7. The Beer Garden is an interesting place to shoot down a few beers. Easy women who only need eye contact and they are yours. A little pass their pull date but still have many miles left. These ladies do not disappoint. You will never get a starfish here. They know how to please a man.

-snip-

RL.[/QUOTE]Have to say your experience with Beer Garden Soi 7 ladies varies wildly from mine. I have certainly had Beer Garden Soi 7 ladies lock eyes with me, wave me over, come to my stool, put their arms around me, come onto me very strong, sit, chat, tell me they want me and that they will do anything to make me happy, anything and everything I want, please just tell them so they can agree and leave with me (for money, that is). But when I tell them, "Great. What will make me happy tonight is either a full and complete BBBJ+CIM (not exactly using those terms, of course) or to boom boom without a condom," I have only had 2-3 out of probably 25 approaches by now in the past few years say "Ok". And it turned out back in the room they were lying.

Well, one lady did go along with the boom boom no condom request back in the room a couple of years ago. But she was one of the homliest women in the place. I only agreed to take her because I thought my actually getting one of the two things I wanted with a woman there, any woman there, would finally break my Beer Garden Soi 7 curse of not getting what I want from them. It didn't. Really not a good place for me to pull from I suppose.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2257231]In any event, Thailand has a fight thread, if you want to call somebody an asshole just take it to the fight thread and have a good time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2258198]Do Arguments matter, do Moderators have to get involved.

Live and let Live, and Let Die. Ignore ignorants and do your thing- monger and have fun.[/QUOTE]There is a set of rules for the forum that should be followed. They are supposed to make the forum experience more enjoyable for all members and keep our forum off the radar of the authorities in each region so we do not get blocked like in China for example. One thing I would really like to get clarification on is the thread that we are apparently free and clear to say what we want on is actually what it was designed for. I still don't think we are free and clear to say what we want in that thread.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2257683]I found these old photos of Shebas girls from the mid 2000's. Not sure if you know any of them, but here they are.[/QUOTE]I think I recognise the one in the red top. The good old days. Apart from her, the rest I would pass.

But them tits. Fabulous. That pair would make for a great titty massage! Kudos!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2258363]There is a set of rules for the forum that should be followed. They are supposed to make the forum experience more enjoyable for all members and keep our forum off the radar of the authorities in each region so we do not get blocked like in China for example. One thing I would really like to get clarification on is the thread that we are apparently free and clear to say what we want on is actually what it was designed for. I still don't think we are free and clear to say what we want in that thread.[/QUOTE]Agree yes- whatever needs to be done stay below radar of authorities. Like und / age is blocked word. Ok with that.

Sometimes needless silly stuff gets blocked- who cares.

But lets stay on track with the main business.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2258220]Have to say your experience with Beer Garden Soi 7 ladies varies wildly from mine. I have certainly had Beer Garden Soi 7 ladies lock eyes with me, wave me over, come to my stool, put their arms around me, come onto me very strong, sit, chat, tell me they want me and that they will do anything to make me happy, anything and everything I want, please just tell them so they can agree and leave with me (for money, that is). But when I tell them, "Great. What will make me happy tonight is either a full and complete BBBJ+CIM (not exactly using those terms, of course) or to boom boom without a condom," I have only had 2-3 out of probably 25 approaches by now in the past few years say "Ok". And it turned out back in the room they were lying.

Well, one lady did go along with the boom boom no condom request back in the room a couple of years ago. But she was one of the homliest women in the place. I only agreed to take her because I thought my actually getting one of the two things I wanted with a woman there, any woman there, would finally break my Beer Garden Soi 7 curse of not getting what I want from them. It didn't. Really not a good place for me to pull from I suppose.[/QUOTE]Yeah with a place like Beer Garden. Quality / service / negotiation etc etc- so YMMV. Once upon a time 10+ years ago it was the best place for day time pickups. Not sure what is the status now.

Any other place recommendations for FLs?

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2258394]Yeah with a place like Beer Garden. Quality / service / negotiation etc etc- so YMMV. Once upon a time 10+ years ago it was the best place for day time pickups. Not sure what is the status now.

Any other place recommendations for FLs?[/QUOTE]Its my first time in Bangkok, arriving today for the weekend. Trough ThaiFriendly I have lined up at least 10 freelancers already by putting in some work a few days before I left the US. I even have 2 amateurs that want to meet in hotel and we will probably do more then talking, just by bringing them presents. I also signed up at smooci they have a bunch of independents as well.

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2258394]Yeah with a place like Beer Garden. Quality / service / negotiation etc etc- so YMMV. Once upon a time 10+ years ago it was the best place for day time pickups. Not sure what is the status now.

Any other place recommendations for FLs?[/QUOTE]Status now? Full of old women. I bet the average age is at least 40. IMHO, it's a horror show.

[QUOTE=SiriusCom;2258514]Its my first time in Bangkok, arriving today for the weekend. Trough ThaiFriendly I have lined up at least 10 freelancers already by putting in some work a few days before I left the US. I even have 2 amateurs that want to meet in hotel and we will probably do more then talking, just by bringing them presents. I also signed up at smooci they have a bunch of independents as well.[/QUOTE]What in the world is "smooci" - is this some kind of an Ad?

[QUOTE=SiriusCom;2258514]Its my first time in Bangkok, arriving today for the weekend. Trough ThaiFriendly I have lined up at least 10 freelancers already by putting in some work a few days before I left the US. I even have 2 amateurs that want to meet in hotel and we will probably do more then talking, just by bringing them presents. I also signed up at smooci they have a bunch of independents as well.[/QUOTE]TF is a fun place to chat and play with the ladies. The problem is that when you arrive and try and get some time with them, they have many excuses. They only have 1 day off and that's Sunday. They are in Bang Na and to far to go to meet you. Or their sisters sick and they don't want to leave her.

And then there's the ones that used a photo that's 10 years old and they have put on a little weight, like 15 kilos. If your lucky you'll get 1 or 2. I've been there my friend and tried the same lines you have. I even told some I wanted a Thai lady to marry me. 555 Good luck I wish you better luck than I had.

RL.

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2258607]What in the world is "smooci" - is this some kind of an Ad?[/QUOTE]Do a google search or an ISG search or open the Smooci thread.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2258560]Status now? Full of old women. I bet the average age is at least 40. IMHO, it's a horror show.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. I did not even like the "talent" there 10 years ago, mind you I could do a pretty 40 YO in good condition, but then such a women probably would not be there I guess.

A girlfriend and I happened to be walking near Soi Cowboy about 9PM last night, she said she'd never been in a go-go bar, so we stopped in Crazy House for a look. We had to buy two drinks outside, as I understand is the case most of the time now. Or maybe it was because I had a girl with me. No matter. The bottom floor was packed, not an available seat for one person much less two, so the server pointed upstairs. I thought, crap, that is where management sends the older, chubbier, less attractive girls to hang out. Nobody wants to go upstairs. And in fact there was plenty of available seating up there.

However, I was pleasantly surprised to see there were several very good looking girls shuffling around on the glass stage upstairs at that hour. I mean slim, fit, well-proportioned, nearly tattoo-free, butt-naked, young girls with perky natural tits, pretty faces, imo, and no sign of baby damage. I might even go so far as to say 3-4 of the upstairs girls were among the better looking dancers in the club at that hour last night. Could be the better looking girls that had been dancing downstairs were already out on barfines at the 9PM hour. Oh, and for that hour at least, there was no ridiculous grandma' shoots a dart out of her raggedy pussy and pops a balloon show!

Sure, they were as likely as any of Crazy House's other girls if not more likely to specialize in the "coke and tequila" non-existent cocktail 2 Lady Drink order and then bolt scam. Since I was with a girl already, none of them hit me up for a Lady Drink. As a matter of fact, there were so few customers upstairs I did not see those girls being called over or hitting up customers for drinks at all.

Anybody else notice an improvement in the upstairs line up at Crazy House lately? I know it has been reported several times that the line up at Crazy House is not as good as it was 2-3 years ago. I am among those who reported it. But last night I could not say that was the case for at least 4-5 girls last night. And they working upstairs too!

They have it in the menu. Essentially she handcuffed herself and gave a BJ without Hands. I was curious too, so did it first time to see how it goes!

The shop provides the handcuffs, it's an addon you can choose with others like COB, COF etc.

Safe Mongering,

LC.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2257926]What's with the handcuffs? She handcuffed herself to give you a blowjob? Why? Is this a particular fetish of yours and you provided the handcuffs or is it common enough that they have their own handcuffs and I have just never heard about this fetish?[/QUOTE]

Does anyone know a gogo bar, blowjob bar, strip club, or any place where I can get full service in the bar area and not in a back room?

Nana Plaza lost a Ladyboy bar and gained a regular (real ladies only?) go-go bar very recently. It is called Geisha, located on the top level of Nana Plaza in the corner down from Butterflies go-go bar, in a spot that used to be a Ladyboy bar. I think the name is "Geisha" only, no "Bar" next to it, but could be wrong. Somewhat U-shaped seating area around a tiered stage. Has a glassed-in bathtub box on the far side of the stage as you walk in. The girls in that glass box wash themselves with sudsy water from the tub and go topless. Seems to have some of the available stage and seating area on the opposite side of the room curtained off for further construction. I don't know for sure since this bar was a Labyboy bar before and I never went inside then.

I went there last night, Saturday night, around 9 PM. When the mamasan saw me walk in she came over, threw her arms around me all smiles and happiness, welcoming me into the place. I never met her before, so that was unexpected. LOL. Maybe she thought I was somebody else she knew already. She told me all the girls are barfineable, all barfines are 800 baht regardless of ST or LT and everything else is up to the girl and you. I pointed to one girl onstage who was wearing a black bikini instead of the general white the other girls were wearing and to another one who appeared to be wearing a double layer top with a black bra under her white bikini top (no pantyhose) and asked why they were wearing those and did that mean they were Coyotes? Mamasan said no difference, same as the other girls. I didn't ask, but I saw no evidence of intermingled Ladyboys, although I don't recall seeing a "Real Ladies Only" sign outside either.

In the two sets of dance sessions I sat for, there were about 12 girls on stage for each set and another half dozen or so walking around or sitting next to or on the laps of customers. Not a particularly wild or party atmosphere. The music was loud but not too loud for me to understand what the mamasan and servers were saying to me. At that hour on this Saturday night the seating area, three levels of cushioned bleacher style booths, was about 20% occupied. Despite the possibly misleading name of the bar (in more ways than one, imo) the customer demographic was no more than half Asian/Japanese(?) and there seemed to be mostly older expat type customers. Same as me, I suppose.

I did not see any girls rating what one would likely consider a Bargirl 8 or above in terms of looks. But if you are fine with the young cute or quirky cute look and demeanor, as I am, you might have found 3-4 on the stage during each set that appealed enough to give her a shot. I came in smiling, was greeted rather nicely by the mamasan, kept up a positive, happy and approachable demeanor since that is genuinely how I felt last night anyway, yet I can't say my smile or gaze was returned by any "doable" girl (for me) either on stage or walking around. Neither I nor any other customer in the bar was approached by girls alone or in pairs for a Ladydrink request after they came down from the stage after a set. They all donned more regular clothes over their bikinis, shorts and t-shirts, and hightailed it outside to join the "Come Inside!" chorus.

Maybe those last couple of observations is a comment on the girls' interest or rather disinterest in me buying one a drink or barfining them, I have no idea. LOL. Some guys much prefer the "no interference with my drinking" style in a bar, where the girls neither flag you from the stage with a "buy me drink" gesture or approach you personally after their dance set. This time I took it as a reason not to engage with any girl there but might go back and give it another look sometime.

[QUOTE=ForgottenOwl;2259216]Does anyone know a gogo bar, blowjob bar, strip club, or any place where I can get full service in the bar area and not in a back room?[/QUOTE]I said PM and l will tell you.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2259288]I came in smiling, was greeted rather nicely by the mamasan, kept up a positive, happy and approachable demeanor since that is genuinely how I felt last night anyway, yet I can't say my smile or gaze was returned by any "doable" girl (for me) either on stage or walking around. Neither I nor any other customer in the bar was approached by girls alone or in pairs for a Ladydrink request after they came down from the stage after a set. They all donned more regular clothes over their bikinis, shorts and t-shirts, and hightailed it outside to join the "Come Inside!" chorus.

Maybe those last couple of observations is a comment on the girls' interest or rather disinterest in me buying one a drink or barfining them, I have no idea. LOL. Some guys much prefer the "no interference with my drinking" style in a bar, where the girls neither flag you from the stage with a "buy me drink" gesture or approach you personally after their dance set. This time I took it as a reason not to engage with any girl there but might go back and give it another look sometime.[/QUOTE]Good report to introduce this bar.

I don't think the name of the bar is at all relevant. Does not have to mean anything. They have to come up with something for the name. Yes few bars have the word "bar" in the name (at least I am guessing that. Never paid massive attention to such a detail). Maybe there are exceptions "Mercury Bar"? "Enter Bar"? (not even sure). Seems redundant though unless name is an adjective or verb needing a Noun. Ha ha. I am happy with you just calling it "Geisha" or Geisha bar, no problem at all.

The girls maybe trained not to hassle the customers. It is not that uncommon in bars for girls to dash outside to join the attempted customer pulling. I think if you want to buy a girl a drink, should be up to you to give her the signal if she looks in your direction, or to even go tell her, or get a staff member to do so. Some girls are very shy about being proactive or pushy. Indeed I hate pushy girls, myself.

So nothing in your report really put me off at all, except potentially the girls might not be pretty enough to hold my interest long. I would still go for a look for sure. Price of lady drinks and customer drinks can be a topic of interest, especially lady drinks, since can vary a lot. However you would not know if never bought one obviously.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2258629]Anybody else notice an improvement in the upstairs line up at Crazy House lately? I know it has been reported several times that the line up at Crazy House is not as good as it was 2-3 years ago. I am among those who reported it. But last night I could not say that was the case for at least 4-5 girls last night. And they working upstairs too![/QUOTE]Nope but limited recent attendance, last time probably a few weeks ago, and never was an upstairs person. Never requested to buy drinks on entry but am well known not to be a waste of time, and will always buy drinks inside (even if turns out to be only one), never just leave. Maybe a ploy based on downstairs being full or relevant to having a girl go with you, if she did not look like a hooker.

Standard of the line up is not at all consistent. Can vary a lot, especially as only requires 2 to 3 good girls to make the line up good for me (sometimes there are none of any interest).

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2258560]Status now? Full of old women. I bet the average age is at least 40. IMHO, it's a horror show.[/QUOTE]Without a doubt, most of the girls there are old and ugly. However, there are some cuties in there once in a while. I actually enjoy Biergarten more than Thermae. I know the girls at Thermae are much better looking, but sitting in Thermae and having a beer sucks. Biergarten is a much more pleasant environment to sit and have a few beers.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2257057]Decided to walk to 7/1. My first ever fly by of wood and chrome. I wasn't expecting much for looks but thought if one was OK I'd do it because I never had before. I expected old hags. Tbh some were at least in late 20's. They were screaming for my attention. I was the only guy on the entire soi. I didn't see anyone worth trying. Did see a decent petite girl at one of the bars. Noticed most were ladyboy bars but this bar had a decent girl. Likely a mistake but I decided to go see my hostess girl at kc1.[/QUOTE]Soi 7/1 is oddly sometimes just completely deserted except a handful of workers hanging out, and its not many. I've never figured it out, guessing when people go down that street, they know what they are looking for and find it and go in, or leave quickly so no need to have everyone out or whatever. Unlike other areas, places like Wood, Chrome, and Eden's don't have all or even most of their girls hanging outside, so don't be turned off on that. When you go in though, the numbers and quality go up a lot. All that said, its a long way from the Dr. BJ's days of quality and amount of girls in the spots there. Dr. BJ's was truly a special spot in its day.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2259545]All that said, its a long way from the Dr. BJ's days of quality and amount of girls in the spots there. Dr. BJ's was truly a special spot in its day.[/QUOTE]I had a buddy who went to Dr. BJ's almost every day when he visited Bangkok. There was one girl there he absolutely raved about. The one and only time I tried Dr. BJ's was with that girl. I thought the BJ was mediocre and never returned.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2259545]Soi 7/1 is oddly sometimes just completely deserted except a handful of workers hanging out, and its not many. I've never figured it out, guessing when people go down that street, they know what they are looking for and find it and go in, or leave quickly so no need to have everyone out or whatever. Unlike other areas, places like Wood, Chrome, and Eden's don't have all or even most of their girls hanging outside, so don't be turned off on that. When you go in though, the numbers and quality go up a lot. All that said, its a long way from the Dr. BJ's days of quality and amount of girls in the spots there. Dr. BJ's was truly a special spot in its day.[/QUOTE]We are going through a period of notably low quality of looks at the most easily surveyed BJ Bars in the area; L0litas, Kasalong and Wood Bar. None of the 3-4 above average lookers who could have been seen and taken at some point during the day or night shift have been working in them for a few months now. And EE, the first Super Star at Dr. BJ's Salon (now Wood Bar), left 2-3 years ago and took almost all of her higher standards influence at that bar with her, IMO.

I was walking by Landmark hotel yesterday around 12 and saw this CIS lady sitting there. Black hair, kind of heavy, big lips probably made up. Had a good time at Nana and was returning back around 2 and she was still there. Anyone know who she is? Thinking of approaching her but already had my share of fun. Also is it ok if I just approach her at the landmark and ask her for a drink and maybe take it from there. I have seen her just sit there many times in the past as well. In fact for a couple of months ago as well.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2259639]We are going through a period of notably low quality of looks at the most easily surveyed BJ Bars in the area; L0litas, Kasalong and Wood Bar. None of the 3-4 above average lookers who could have been seen and taken at some point during the day or night shift have been working in them for a few months now. And EE, the first Super Star at Dr. BJ's Salon (now Wood Bar), left 2-3 years ago and took almost all of her higher standards influence at that bar with her, IMO.[/QUOTE]I rolled past the those bars at midnight on Saturday, the stuff outside was horrible.

Does anyone know of a service where I can have 2 or 3 GFE style girls with me to guide me through Payttya and BKK. Sort on my person guides that I play with at night. Any suggestions or can someone point me in the right direction?

By the way I was in Spasso Saturday night. Had some wonderful (overpriced) cocktails, watched Lukaku finally score a goal and watched the goings on. Girl score: 3-4 generous on a scale of 10. Older, fat, roboboobs and generally unattractive. The dudes were no better, old and fat, not like I'm anything to write home about, but at least I don't have some 5000 B milfish heifer hanging on my arm. There was one Indian looking girl who was slim, elegant, exotic and beautiful. From the waist up. Her bottom looked like the back end of a 67 VW Beetle. If you are an ass man she was for you.

I went to Thermae too. Surprisingly uncrowded. 20% doable to my standards. But I was was drink limped by then so just went home.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2259633]I had a buddy who went to Dr. BJ's almost every day when he visited Bangkok. There was one girl there he absolutely raved about. The one and only time I tried Dr. BJ's was with that girl. I thought the BJ was mediocre and never returned.[/QUOTE]Guess everyone has their style. I've had some really really great service there, mixed in with some mediocre ones, that well, you have, its over and you move on. In the older days I'd put its quality in the top tier of BJ bars (especially that they had a large staff to choose from really helped) and that they would often do 2 shots (depending on you and the girl). Now, prob just run of the mill.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2259639]We are going through a period of notably low quality of looks at the most easily surveyed BJ Bars in the area; L0litas, Kasalong and Wood Bar. None of the 3-4 above average lookers who could have been seen and taken at some point during the day or night shift have been working in them for a few months now. And EE, the first Super Star at Dr. BJ's Salon (now Wood Bar), left 2-3 years ago and took almost all of her higher standards influence at that bar with her, IMO.[/QUOTE]Man EE was always occupied or not present when I went, heard about her, saw pics, was excited, but always not available. I had some great ones though, all of which I believe are gone now.

Whats the best one going now? Or all they all on the level I assume. Last time I was abound doing it, I guess they were all offering about the same quality.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2259545]. Unlike other areas, places like Wood, Chrome, and Eden's don't have all or even most of their girls hanging outside, so don't be turned off on that. When you go in though, the numbers and quality go up a lot. .[/QUOTE]OK good to know. Didn't know I could walk in and see more girls. I never paid attention to all the Bangkok BJ bar posts in the past but now just want to try one.

Are there still BJ bars near Patpong? I remember reading about some in the past.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2259669]OK good to know. Didn't know I could walk in and see more girls. I never paid attention to all the Bangkok BJ bar posts in the past but now just want to try one.

Are there still BJ bars near Patpong? I remember reading about some in the past.[/QUOTE]I think Star of Light is still open, and not sure its the same as the other bars, as I've never bothered to go there when there are all the other places on Sukhumvit. Never been a big fan of the patpong area or nightlife there.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2259437]Good report to introduce this bar.

I don't think the name of the bar is at all relevant. Does not have to mean anything. They have to come up with something for the name. Yes few bars have the word "bar" in the name (at least I am guessing that. Never paid massive attention to such a detail). Maybe there are exceptions "Mercury Bar"? "Enter Bar"? (not even sure). Seems redundant though unless name is an adjective or verb needing a Noun. Ha ha. I am happy with you just calling it "Geisha" or Geisha bar, no problem at all.

The girls maybe trained not to hassle the customers. It is not that uncommon in bars for girls to dash outside to join the attempted customer pulling. I think if you want to buy a girl a drink, should be up to you to give her the signal if she looks in your direction, or to even go tell her, or get a staff member to do so. Some girls are very shy about being proactive or pushy. Indeed I hate pushy girls, myself.

So nothing in your report really put me off at all, except potentially the girls might not be pretty enough to hold my interest long. I would still go for a look for sure. Price of lady drinks and customer drinks can be a topic of interest, especially lady drinks, since can vary a lot. However you would not know if never bought one obviously.[/QUOTE]Syzy, I don't recall any girl striking me as fitting your generally cited specs. But I am usually not in a "taking notes for a future report" mode during those times. Just cruising around with a positive attitude and seeing if I am inspired one way or another. I do recall my plain club sodas were 120 baht each at the 9PM hour. But, you're right that I did not find out how much a Lady Drink costs (or a beer or other alcoholic beverage) because I did not invite a lady to order one. Also, we know these new bars can swing far and wide on the issue of appealing lineups at first. One week it is bleak, the next week it is fine, the next week bleak again, etc. LOL. Remember that happening at Butterflies when it first opened?

On the name of the place, when I first looked up from the ground level of Nana Plaza and saw it simply as "Geisha" (although I did not make such a mental note of it that I was sure about that the next day), the thought occurred to me that IF the owners had intended any meaning at all to it other than simply a familiar Asian word for a certain kind of female, they might have been implying they intended to cater to a primarily Japanese customer base. And there was also the possibility that it was not going to be a typical go-go bar per se but a bar employing girls who will drink with, entertain and even dance for customers but are not typically available for sex. The classic definition of "Geisha". LOL. Much like some bars on Soi Cowboy that are mostly filled with non barfineable Coyotes.

Again, that was only from looking at the top floor signage from the ground level before I climbed the two floors up to go inside.

But the main reason I wanted to mention in passing about possibly being wrong about the exact name of the place with that one sentence early in my report was for the sake of the Search feature here and a certain kind of confusion about the names and locations of places that pops up every now and then. We don't know but that in a few months there will be a "Geisha BKK", a "Geisha Bar" or even a "Geisha Boy" in the area, brought to us by the fine folks who brought us "Geisha"!

After all, in and around Nana Plaza we already have a Mandarin Bar (upstairs) and a Mandarin Bar (upstairs upstairs), which have caused some confusion here in the past, a Twister and now a Twister BKK that have already caused some confusion, several Rainbow Bars, one that started out as Rainbow 4, switched to Rainbow 5 and is now back to Rainbow 4 again, and a collection of Hillary Bars. I just thought it might be a good idea to try to be as specific as possible about this bar in the first mention of it in this thread.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2259447]Without a doubt, most of the girls there are old and ugly. However, there are some cuties in there once in a while. I actually enjoy Biergarten more than Thermae. I know the girls at Thermae are much better looking, but sitting in Thermae and having a beer sucks. Biergarten is a much more pleasant environment to sit and have a few beers.[/QUOTE]Yup, a good place to sit and have a few beers at a good price. Good music and the food is not bad. Just wait for the diamond in the rough. There are always a few under 40 and ready to go. They all speak English so it makes it easy to define and agree on services and rates. No disappointments here, they are as horny as we are.

Crazy house is to small. Loaded with smoking Asians and just too crowded. The servers push the ladies on to the Asian boys and wait for the drink order. They had too many ladies on the stage when I went in and busy upstairs. An idiot at the door that wants a drink order before you go in and pay 170 baht for a beer. But they do have the best tall and shapely ladies in Cowboy.

RL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2259633]I had a buddy who went to Dr. BJ's almost every day when he visited Bangkok. There was one girl there he absolutely raved about. The one and only time I tried Dr. BJ's was with that girl. I thought the BJ was mediocre and never returned.[/QUOTE]I only recall taking one girl there in the past, but took her many times. It was EE, their first Super Star with the signature horn-rimmed glasses. She took them off during the session if you asked her to. I might have taken another girl there once, but don't recall now.

Even as their Super Star, EE would invariably stop about two strokes too soon, which sometimes actually caused pain in my dick and I would hurriedly reach down and do those last two strokes with my own hand because she had already pulled away and was beginning to stand up! LOL. I had to remind her not to do that before every session, to please do just two more long strokes before bailing out after she thinks I am done. If I didn't mention it before each session, she never remembered it on her own. She had too many customers to remember such a thing about one on her own, I suppose.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2259447]Without a doubt, most of the girls there are old and ugly. However, there are some cuties in there once in a while. I actually enjoy Biergarten more than Thermae. I know the girls at Thermae are much better looking, but sitting in Thermae and having a beer sucks. Biergarten is a much more pleasant environment to sit and have a few beers.[/QUOTE]After my first seven or eight rejections in a row for what I would want from those rare cuties in Beergarden Soi 7, I just resigned myself to going in there with friends who like the place as a mongering venue and to eat the food. Still, that amounts to at least one visit there per month over the past 6 years. And while I am there I do what has been mentioned in this exchange; meet and chat with whoever has potential sitting next to me, comes over to me, draws me over to them, see what happens. And my answer to that last part is nothing much positive happens. For me, that is. Which I am fine with.

Weirdly, I have a much better rate of success for either BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP with the younger, better looking girls in Thermae than with any of the women in Beergarden Soi 7, from the rare cuties to the marginally passable ones. Hard for it not to be better and a lot better! lol. I have no idea why that is so, but there it is.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2259734]After my first seven or eight rejections in a row for what I would want from those rare cuties in Beergarden Soi 7, I just resigned myself to going in there with friends who like the place as a mongering venue and to eat the food. Still, that amounts to at least one visit there per month over the past 6 years.[/QUOTE]I went there with a friend who wanted to go there maybe only 2 or 3 times ever. Most friends had little interest in it. Never took a girl to fuck from Biergarten (or is it Beer Garden) ever, unless my Alzheimers is getting bad. Hence would have little idea about fluctuation of Talent levels but I never saw any.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2259633]I had a buddy who went to Dr. BJ's almost every day when he visited Bangkok. There was one girl there he absolutely raved about. The one and only time I tried Dr. BJ's was with that girl. I thought the BJ was mediocre and never returned.[/QUOTE]Clearly it is greatly about how you go with a particular girl. At one time they had about 3 girls that I thought were hot enough in the body to be doable. Might seem a strange comment, but of course I rarely go to a BJ bar to get just a BJ.

My first girl ever tried in Dr BJ was mediocre too, and not hot enough. No reason for me to write the place off, just choose better. Did not exactly take a liking to some of the non Thai staff (one was okay). Also did not like how many Thai boys were hanging around those shops. Last girl ever tried there was also mediocre (and had just had a tit job all bandaged up).

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2259719]
Crazy house is to small. Loaded with smoking Asians and just too crowded. The servers push the ladies on to the Asian boys and wait for the drink order. They had too many ladies on the stage when I went in and busy upstairs. An idiot at the door that wants a drink order before you go in and pay 170 baht for a beer. But they do have the best tall and shapely ladies in Cowboy.

RL.[/QUOTE]CH is rarely full at times that I go there, or went there in recent months. Yes I hate the smoke. Don't worry it is still rumoured that CH will expand in the future perhaps into "Old Dutch", however I think the line up has declined too much, might be almost soon to be past its Used By Date. Best bodied girls in Cowboy? Quite unlikely maybe only best set of naked girls. Stage is far less crowded than Bacarra. 5 Star might be an option on much smaller scale, however music is quite horrible at times.

CH was good for its first 2 or 3 years for me, now not much interest any more. Decline is severe. Early days almost all the girls looked good. Still happy to fuck one of the founding dancer girls (5 years later).

Will Bangkok still be busy the week before Christmas? Or do things die down?

[QUOTE=PeterCat123;2259807]Will Bangkok still be busy the week before Christmas? Or do things die down?[/QUOTE]It is a Buddhist country.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2259734]After my first seven or eight rejections in a row for what I would want from those rare cuties in Beergarden Soi 7, I just resigned myself to going in there with friends who like the place as a mongering venue and to eat the food.[/QUOTE]I thought you only got rejected in Pattaya and Bangkok was a haven to not being rejected.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2260020]I thought you only got rejected in Pattaya and Bangkok was a haven to not being rejected.[/QUOTE]Well, what can I say about that? Apparently, you never really read or comprehened my posts and thought wrong.

[QUOTE=PeterCat123;2259807]Will Bangkok still be busy the week before Christmas? Or do things die down?[/QUOTE]Things die down getting close to New Year. Many Thais leave Bangkok before the New Year. Buses going to the provinces become very full. Buying tickets in advance is advisable. Can be hard to get to the ticket window due to pushing and shoving. (had that experience at Chatuchak years ago). Christmas day is absolutely irrelevant. Nothing happens on Christmas day.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2259639]We are going through a period of notably low quality of looks at the most easily surveyed BJ Bars in the area; L0litas, Kasalong and Wood Bar. None of the 3-4 above average lookers who could have been seen and taken at some point during the day or night shift have been working in them for a few months now. [/QUOTE]Anne was only Loly girl that was doable for me, with a stunning ass. She left and I never returned. I note that BJ bars are generally expected to have the least good looking girls overall, although some MPs have very poor line ups. I haven't actually been to any BJ bar recently and if I did, would be for FS purposes.

I don't think girls looks overall are declining, at all, maybe just redistributed. I notice looking at all my girl pics from 10 years ago or more, none were that that exceptionally stunning, or maybe just Noi from Long Gun (who turned out to be a dud fuck for me).

It is clear I have become much fussier in my old age and my girl pics from recent years are much prettier, to my current taste.

Part of the reason is that my GF of 13 years was probably close to the prettiest girl I ever did (for my taste), maybe 3 or 4 slightly prettier in recent 5 years. So it is very hard to fuck ordinary looking girls. Just not exciting. Even harder to fuck a crappy body girl since my GF also had a super body, lacking obvious faults.

Some of the pretty girls now are Coyotes and some seem to work in Japanese oriented shops. What is left over in the MPs and BJ bars is not that exciting to me, even the average girls in a Soapy like La Belle are not quite interesting me, top few yes maybe. I accepted long ago that we have to pay a premium for pretty girls, in general. They are not going to be found as street walkers, as el cheepo BJ girls, and not likely to be pornstars.

Any girl that I would make a regular now, has to look well above average, and that means standard well above what I used to do generally 10 to 20 years ago, and has to have something special going for her. Otherwise just too boring.

Lets assume 80% of girls are in the average band and looks pretty "average", 15 to 20% very ugly and 1 to 5% quite pretty (Perhaps 1% is more realistic). 97% or more not very interesting to me. For sure we can find girls miles above the average looks, however we just have to get realistic, that this girl is not going to be in Loli-tas full of old bags. Price is also not likely to be bottom barrel unless there is a special reason, like newbie pretty Laos girl has zero English and has not even worked out yet how hot she is (yes this could happen).

I can find a great looking girl or three in Billboard (to my taste for skinny to slim). To date though, only had one BB girl that I repeated a few times, since she just had the attitude to hook a Farang BF, and sure she did very quickly. Need to try some more hotties there.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2260096]Things die down getting close to New Year. Many Thais leave Bangkok before the New Year. Buses going to the provinces become very full. Buying tickets in advance is advisable. Can be hard to get to the ticket window due to pushing and shoving. (had that experience at Chatuchak years ago). Christmas day is absolutely irrelevant. Nothing happens on Christmas day.[/QUOTE]This might all be true but the mongering venues do not die down, and I think that is what the OP wanted to know.
And anyway you hardly notice this 'die down' in a city with 14 million inhabitants. Unless when you're living there maybe.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2260122]This might all be true but the mongering venues do not die down, and I think that is what the OP wanted to know.
And anyway you hardly notice this 'die down' in a city with 14 million inhabitants. Unless when you're living there maybe.[/QUOTE]
Dying down definitely does not mean there is nothing for the tourist.

To be honest I have not been mongering in Bangkok in recent years between Christmas and the New year. Girls in the bars used to decline but that was many years ago. If you found otherwise that is great, but you are not normally in the Bangkok bars, is that right, so might not notice if your regular girls were missing? Don't know if you have any regular Bangkok bar girls. I do. I could ask them where they will be for new year. I think a good number may be missing.

I seem to recall some bars introduce silly rules like cannot barfine a girl before a certain time or price of barfine goes up dramatically from normal. Does anyone recall these details. So I certainly think the gogo bars are affected, but lack really recent experience.

Late at night I recall noticing the streets were particularly vacant, so I think reduced traffic overall might be noticeable. One vivid memory sticks from about 20 years ago. Tearing down a main road in Bangkok, having come out from the bars, in back of a Tuk Tuk and being really chilly at 2am due to speed of the Tuk Tuk. There was almost zero traffic with empty roads everywhere, and the temperature was surprisingly very low for Bangkok maybe 18 degrees ("C"). Still times change. Maybe most Issan girls no longer go home for new year. Will check with a few if get a chance.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2258629]A girlfriend and I happened to be walking near Soi Cowboy about 9PM last night, she said she'd never been in a go-go bar, so we stopped in Crazy House for a look. We had to buy two drinks outside, as I understand is the case most of the time now. Or maybe it was because I had a girl with me.
Anybody else notice an improvement in the upstairs line up at Crazy House lately? I know it has been reported several times that the line up at Crazy House is not as good as it was 2-3 years ago. I am among those who reported it. But last night I could not say that was the case for at least 4-5 girls last night. [/QUOTE]I was there Friday night and did notice that the girls were better than when I was there previously, although that was a long time ago. Can't actually remember when.

We were asked to buy drinks as well outside but one of the guys I was with said no, we will buy them inside, and they let us in. Everyone else seemed to be having to buy drinks outside.

[QUOTE=ForgottenOwl;2259216]Does anyone know a gogo bar, blowjob bar, strip club, or any place where I can get full service in the bar area and not in a back room?[/QUOTE]Not that I'm aware of.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2259291]I said PM and l will tell you.[/QUOTE]Won't have membership for another week or so but when I do I'll PM you, appreciate the response.

For now though can you tell me whether or not what you were going to tell me was FKK Clubs in Germany?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2260133]Dying down definitely does not mean there is nothing for the tourist.

To be honest I have not been mongering in Bangkok in recent years between Christmas and the New year. Girls in the bars used to decline but that was many years ago. If you found otherwise that is great, but you are not normally in the Bangkok bars, is that right, so might not notice if your regular girls were missing? Don't know if you have any regular Bangkok bar girls. I do. I could ask them where they will be for new year. I think a good number may be missing.[/QUOTE]No I don't have any regular Bangkok bar girls, only freelancers. Although I do visit the bars every now and then.

I have been to Thailand a couple of times between Christmas and New Year in recent years and the bars were always packed to the roof with girls and customers. I admit though that I was in Pattaya most of the time. Maybe Bangkok is different although that would surprise me to be honest.

[QUOTE=ForgottenOwl;2260350]Won't have membership for another week or so but when I do I'll PM you, appreciate the response.

For now though can you tell me whether or not what you were going to tell me was FKK Clubs in Germany?[/QUOTE]Don't be silly man, their is nothing secret about FKKs that would require a PM. PM would appear to mean concerns about the authorities cracking down, as I believed most places like Star of Light were now being cautious about possible raids by the Authorities. There might be a safe time and place however.

For Halloween party, in FKK World, had to fuck a girl in the public cinema area, since there were no rooms available, and a very long wait. Most of the audience seemed to be Italians for some reason, so maybe they have extra voyeuristic tendencies. For Germans it is all probably quite "Ho hum". Watching ugly old guys fuck is not that exciting from a mediocre vantage point. I never watched any of the porn shows put on. The porn stars were usually ugly with horrible coconuts up top.

Last visit to Kangaroo bar in Pat Pong, I was a bit put off by girls wanting to take me to the dark back room. Visuals is important to my excitement (assuming girl has okay Body). One girl remembered me from years ago and she was about to retire from being a hooker. I ignored her suggested fat girl instead choosing a young better looking girl, otherwise my dick would not be likely to stir.

Most wayward venues are now concerned about government raids, so crack downs on non Thai citizens, girls too young, excessively obscene behaviour in public would be another problem with the authorities, even though sex in a bar area with other staff and customers present is not really obscene for me. Been there and done that. I was a little disappointed with fucking in the SOL bar area in the past though, as girl expected me to be all done within 10 minutes I think. I hate really impatient fucks.

Anyone who can't perform while being watched or gets extra excited by it, just remember, it's all in the mind. The quality of the girl and the fuck matters more. However tick it off your Bucket List by all means. I get turned on by molesting one or preferably more naked girls in good lighting, whether or not I get seen by an audience. If you have two or three girls at the same time, then you only have one dick so automatically get a mini audience. Years ago I used to take 2 or 3 girls habitually from Sheba or Suzie Wong, however seems that my stamina to do them all thoroughly may have declined.

Still had a pretty good time this year taking Mali and Pat from Shark bar. Any Suzi W regulars from a few years ago might remember them. Recommended nice GFE girls although no BBFS. They worked well together is ST Hotel or Sathorn Apartment one time.

I am sure you can organise your own little sex party at Tulip or some Soapy MPs, if the price is right.

So my el cheapo option back in about 2008 was SOL, but wasn't really the best experience due to limited time allowed.

[QUOTE=ForgottenOwl;2260350]Won't have membership for another week or so but when I do I'll PM you, appreciate the response.

For now though can you tell me whether or not what you were going to tell me was FKK Clubs in Germany?[/QUOTE]Aside what's already said by Syzygies, if you're looking for a German style FKK like experience (which there are a few different types) in Bangkok, its not a thing in Thailand, in any way. Its just not how the scene operates, and I got to think if something like that did exist it would be shut down by authorities soon enough too. The closest, and this is playing loosely with that term, would be something like a 2 girl (or 3 girl) situation at your hotel or at a PSE MP, or Eden Club (Bangkok) or Devil's Den (Pattaya) both of which do a 2-girl PSE thing. The MPs aren't hang out spots, and you generally spend 1-2 hrs with a girl, then leave. The gogo bars are mostly takeout, except a few places that do covert semi-public BJs in the corners. There's no like house / spa / etc. Location filled with girls you can rotate through like an FKK. Man the old days where there was many places offering the unlimited action at the German FKKs were quite a time- if a place existed like that in Bangkok, it would be nuts.

Dear all, I'll start my first trip to Bangkok late this months and I'm getting excited now! While searching the forum and other websites, I would be very happy to receive any tips from anyone of you here.

I used to frequent FKK when I was in Europe (so it's good to see some old friends here like Sir Syzygies), but I need to explore new land since I moved to Asia. For the moment I don't have anyone in real life here to consult or travel with, it's DIY all the way for my first trip, I'll stay 3 days in Bangkok and 2 days in pattaya.

I heard there are bars, massage and sauna all over the town, I guess massage or sauna won't be big problems for me, so just wondering if there 's anything I need to know to take a girl in the bar? Like how much I should pay to the bar and the girl, can I take girls back to any hotels (I. E. 100-150 usd per night)? Any famous bars to go and recommended district to stay if I want to check several famous red-light zone? Or anything comes to your mind is welcomed!

I know it's always easy to ask for something, so just thank those who would love to share their experience, I'll for sure come back with my detailed reports.

[QUOTE=Faceless78;2260609]Dear all, I'll start my first trip to Bangkok late this months and I'm getting excited now! While searching the forum and other websites, I would be very happy to receive any tips from anyone of you here.

I used to frequent FKK when I was in Europe (so it's good to see some old friends here like Sir Syzygies), but I need to explore new land since I moved to Asia. For the moment I don't have anyone in real life here to consult or travel with, it's DIY all the way for my first trip, I'll stay 3 days in Bangkok and 2 days in pattaya.

I heard there are bars, massage and sauna all over the town, I guess massage or sauna won't be big problems for me, so just wondering if there 's anything I need to know to take a girl in the bar? Like how much I should pay to the bar and the girl, can I take girls back to any hotels (I. E. 100-150 usd per night)? Any famous bars to go and recommended district to stay if I want to check several famous red-light zone? Or anything comes to your mind is welcomed!

I know it's always easy to ask for something, so just thank those who would love to share their experience, I'll for sure come back with my detailed reports.[/QUOTE]Honestly, your questions are so general and everyone has already shared so just RTFF. Out of curorisity, did you read the Bangkok Hotels thread? Did you read my recent summary of the Bangkok scene? Your thanking those who wish to share after your post but if you just go back 10 pages and read forward, you will have all your answers. Your questions are like someone who has never read even one post of the BKK thread. Am I missing something?

If you don’t want to search in the BKK thread then you can read the reports in the reports of distinction thread.

[QUOTE=Faceless78;2260609]Dear all, I'll start my first trip to Bangkok late this months and I'm getting excited now! While searching the forum and other websites, I would be very happy to receive any tips from anyone of you here.

I used to frequent FKK when I was in Europe (so it's good to see some old friends here like Sir Syzygies), but I need to explore new land since I moved to Asia. For the moment I don't have anyone in real life here to consult or travel with, it's DIY all the way for my first trip, I'll stay 3 days in Bangkok and 2 days in pattaya..[/QUOTE]It will help you to read a few of the different threads in this forum which will answer most questions, but I'm going to humor you a bit here, I'd rather be helpful, but please read through the forum!

3 days /2 days is fine, make sure to make time for sightseeing and such in Bangkok though. If its your first time though, you really can do everything in BKK instead of going to Pattaya, but Pattaya is close so its fine. There are bars all over town and Massage parlors all over town, but most of the recommended ones are fairly concentrated. Gogo's on Soi Cowboy and Nana Entertainment Plaza (soi 4). These would be the main and most popular, but not only, red light districts in the city. The "recommended" PSE massage parlors, especially for those new to the city such as Cherry, Addict, Mango, Snow White, Honey Bee, Bangkok Passion, and Tulip are all located fairly close to each other off Sukhumvit near BTS stations, google can find them all. The cost for one girl 1. 5-2 hrs in an MP is 2000-2500 baht, all inclusive. There's plenty of other places as well if you look through the forum, all around town.

For gogo bar girls (a gogo is similar to a strip club), you pay a "bar fine" to the establishment to take her (600-1000 baht) and then pay for the actual event, for Short time (ST) which is 1-2 hrs or Long Time (LT), longer, often overnight. ST can be 1500-2500, LT can be up to 5000 (but generally less), but there's lots of inbetween, and depends on the girl too. She will quote you a price, you can haggle if you'd like, its fine to, if not simply expected, but don't low ball. You can take these girls to your hotel, or for ST a specific ST room you rent by the hour. Look at the hotel thread for more hotel info.

[QUOTE=Faceless78;2260609]
I heard there are bars, massage and sauna all over the town, I guess massage or sauna won't be big problems for me, so just wondering if there 's anything I need to know to take a girl in the bar? Like how much I should pay to the bar and the girl, can I take girls back to any hotels (I. E. 100-150 usd per night)? Any famous bars to go and recommended district to stay if I want to check several famous red-light zone? Or anything comes to your mind is welcomed![/QUOTE]Check out this link of links: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2009-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction[/URL].

Be sure she's a she, and that you have an understanding about price and services.

Stay in lower Sukhumvit. Visit Nana Plaza and Soi 4. Visit Soi Cowboy.

Pay less than you expect for your hotel. (Bangkok hotels are cheap by global standards.) Read the hotels thread. In general, if you're going to have a girl problem with a hotel, it will be at a more upscale place.

[QUOTE=Faceless78;2260609]Like how much I should pay to the bar and the girl, can I take girls back to any hotels (I. E. 100-150 usd per night)? Any famous bars to go and recommended district to stay if I want to check several famous red-light zone? Or anything comes to your mind is welcomed![/QUOTE]For Bangkok, as etaoin said go to Nana and soi cowboy. One definite place not to miss is Thermae bar in the basement of the Ruamchit Plaza hotel. Go after 9 pm but not too late or it becomes as crowded as samya at 10 pm on a weekend night. Price is 2500 total with no barfine. If they ask for more they don't want to be with you. Another unique experience in Bangkok is a stroll through Thaniya Road where you will see 100's of better than average looking girls sitting on the road. Do a YouTube search.

For 2 days in pattaya concentrate on walking street and soi 6. Soi 6 from 4 to 8 pm. Walking street from 8 pm til 3 am. No need to deviate from the norm here in a short 2 day stay.

Do try a soapie in either pattaya or Bangkok. We all complain it's mechanical but it is interesting to visit once.

As Bkkdog said, read the forum. I'm mainly helping because you're a FKK guy and know that you will write a report after your trip.

I like 'them ankles behind ears, full in mish anal and spread eagaled in mirror with pussy winking on each thrust. The tragedy is that Snow White apparently no longer allows patron to screw the angelic girls where it is nice and tight, or so I am told. Any suggestions (besides Eden Club).

I guess that until then I will provide some deep tonsil massage and throat rinse. I used to get rimmed and do BBJCIM and / or anal simultaneously, always helps with a nice sleep and / or a massage afterwards. Being a man is good!

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2260673]It will help you to read a few of the different threads in this forum which will answer most questions, but I'm going to humor you a bit here, I'd rather be helpful, but please read through the forum![/QUOTE]The big issue I found when searching the whole internet is there are too may information, I have no idea where to start and many of them are just against each other. Honestly I haven't checked in ISG for long, it just suddenly came into my mind that there's one final place to go. So in this way, your words is much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2260611]Honestly, your questions are so general and everyone has already shared so just RTFF. Out of curorisity, did you read the Bangkok Hotels thread? Did you read my recent summary of the Bangkok scene? Your thanking those who wish to share after your post but if you just go back 10 pages and read forward, you will have all your answers. Your questions are like someone who has never read even one post of the BKK thread. Am I missing something?

If you dont want to search in the BKK thread then you can read the reports in the reports of distinction thread.[/QUOTE]Yes after one day's search, I realize those are the most basic questions. I was trying to get everything clear in the shortest time so I can book everything and ask for my paid leave. For sure I'll read your reports and all others'. Anyway thanks for replying.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;2260702]Check out this link of links: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2009-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction[/URL]..[/QUOTE]Thank you for the sugestion, I've booked one hotel like 500 m from nana, hope everything works out find.

I've never ever noticed the Reports of Distinction, will take some time to explore.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2260748]For Bangkok, as etaoin said go to Nana and soi cowboy. One definite place not to miss is Thermae bar in the basement of the Ruamchit Plaza hotel. Go after 9 pm but not too late or it becomes as crowded as samya at 10 pm on a weekend night. Price is 2500 total with no barfine. If they ask for more they don't want to be with you. Another unique experience in Bangkok is a stroll through Thaniya Road where you will see 100's of better than average looking girls sitting on the road. Do a YouTube search.
.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot, it's really good to see many FKK guys here, now I understand why my FKK friends suggested me to go Thailand hah.

I walked down Thaniya Wed Night, that is such a hoot. I like talking Japanese to the Mamasabs, freaks them out.

Thermae was wonderful Wed night, not top crowded and I got a bunch of Line IDs.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2260761]I like 'them ankles behind ears, full in mish anal and spread eagaled in mirror with pussy winking on each thrust. The tragedy is that Snow White apparently no longer allows patron to screw the angelic girls where it is nice and tight, or so I am told. Any suggestions (besides Eden Club).

I guess that until then I will provide some deep tonsil massage and throat rinse. I used to get rimmed and do BBJCIM and / or anal simultaneously, always helps with a nice sleep and / or a massage afterwards. Being a man is good![/QUOTE]Cherry (with the right girls), Tulip (see that thread), Bamboo (same situation as Cherry, but A+ surcharge). Those three would be offering similar services, of course again its not guaranteed except Tulip, but make your concerns known to mamasan and she can point out the right ladies. I suspect there's others floating around that people can call out specific girls at, maybe try the MP thread.

While reading some news articles on happenings for the week, I came across the one about a drunk off-duty cop shooting an unfortunate French after a fist fight over a girl. Tragic. Did anyone here know this most unfortunate of gents?

A moment of silence.

And a question. Had it been you with your girlfriend / date for the night and some other drunk came along and misbehaved, what would you do? In the spur of the moment. Hindsight is always 20/20 vision, and its easy to say I will walk away and find another girl. Tough.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2261072]While reading some news articles on happenings for the week, I came across the one about a drunk off-duty cop shooting an unfortunate French after a fist fight over a girl. Tragic. Did anyone here know this most unfortunate of gents?[/QUOTE]If your post is all the information, who as a foreigner gets in a fist fight, with a local, who is an armed policeman, on his own turf, "OVER A GIRL" in Tailand??

Firstly you are never going to win an altercation against a local esp an armed cop. It will always be the foreigner in the wrong. Secondly, why would anyone argue over a girl in Thailand (unless it was his wife etc). Just move on to the next one.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2261072]
And a question. Had it been you with your girlfriend / date for the night and some other drunk came along and misbehaved, what would you do? In the spur of the moment. Hindsight is always 20/20 vision, and its easy to say I will walk away and find another girl. Tough.[/QUOTE]I believe prevention is far better than a cure. If I'm with a serious GF or wife I don't go to places where I could accidentally stumble across a drunk homicidal cop. On foreign soil I definitely would not be getting into arguements with one with family present.

Call me a prick but if it was just a girl for the night I would just walk away the moment the situation became remotely aggressive. My presence would just make the situation worse for both me and her.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2261082]If your post is all the information, who as a foreigner gets in a fist fight, with a local, who is an armed policeman, on his own turf, "OVER A GIRL" in Tailand?[/QUOTE]Should the Frenchman have walked away. The way it turned out obviously but what if she was his long time girlfriend, the timing 7. 17 AM would suggest otherwise. . Also no way of knowing he was a cop and armed, he was in civies. Most important though is to understand losing face is unacceptable for a Thai-man so a smile and a handshake and walking away is always your best policy.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2258560]Status now? Full of old women. I bet the average age is at least 40. IMHO, it's a horror show.[/QUOTE]Visited it day time / mid-day- Yes Bier Garten is dead, calling it a horror show would be appropriate. There are some customers and girls - but nothing good at all.

The reasons seem obvious the whole street (Soi 7) on both sides is under construction, and Bier Garten is the only establishment left out there, not enough to attract any traffic.

RIP.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2261072]While reading some news articles on happenings for the week, I came across the one about a drunk off-duty cop shooting an unfortunate French after a fist fight over a girl. Tragic. Did anyone here know this most unfortunate of gents?

A moment of silence.

And a question. Had it been you with your girlfriend / date for the night and some other drunk came along and misbehaved, what would you do? In the spur of the moment. Hindsight is always 20/20 vision, and its easy to say I will walk away and find another girl. Tough.[/QUOTE]Here is a bit more on that story, with photos:

[URL]https://www.stickboybkk.com/news/frenchman-shot-dead-drunk-cop/[/URL]

It sounds to me like the Thai guy was more ticked off about losing the fight in the bar and shot him for that instead of shooting him over the girl exactly. But that is just from the way it was reported on that site.

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2261111]Visited it day time / mid-day- Yes Bier Garten is dead, calling it a horror show would be appropriate.

The reasons seem obvious the whole street (Soi 7) on both sides is under construction, and Bier Garten is the only establishment left out there, not enough to attract any traffic.

RIP.[/QUOTE]Bamboo Bar (Soi 3) - I think this also is dead, outside facade has totally converted into Middle Eastern food. There seems to be door for the bar in between still, but based on the looks of it- didn't even bother to go in.

So likely another one bites the dust, things do just change over time. Fond memories of past have to be put aside- I did have a couple good ones here.

Overall Soi3 has totally converted into Middle Eastern joint; and actually the Middle Eastern influence has significantly spread beyond Soi3 to Soi5 and beyond all the way to Soi11 (yes). Once upon a time Middle Eastern influence was strictly limited to Grace Hotel-Soi3 (that was 10 yrs ago) - and now it is what it is.

However, did not see any Middle Eastern hookers on the street as such, and actually even inside Grace Hotel Lobby- very different from past. Outside of Grace its the fat-chick HQ- nothing good.

Oh well,

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2261111]Visited it day time / mid-day- Yes Bier Garten is dead, calling it a horror show would be appropriate.

The reasons seem obvious the whole street (Soi 7) on both sides is under construction, and Bier Garten is the only establishment left out there, not enough to attract any traffic.

RIP.[/QUOTE]Not sure if I could say it is dead in the evenings. But walking through it at Noon yesterday, I saw there were exactly two ladies sitting in there and maybe one male customer who was nowhere near either of them. Neither looked interesting to us. One was on her cellphone. The other waved and pointed to the barstool next to her when my friend and I walked by. We just nodded, smiled and walked back outside.

Chrome (aka Annie's Soapy massage) is on that street; are they still open?

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2261111]Visited it day time / mid-day- Yes Bier Garten is dead, calling it a horror show would be appropriate.

The reasons seem obvious the whole street (Soi 7) on both sides is under construction, and Bier Garten is the only establishment left out there, not enough to attract any traffic.

RIP.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2260961]

Thermae was wonderful Wed night, not top crowded and I got a bunch of Line IDs.[/QUOTE]There were many good looking girls in Thermae last night, too (Thursday). My friend and I, both Caucasian, got a lot of encouraging smiles, not from every girl in the place or all of the top 10 best lookers, but from many of the very doable ones, imo.

We kind of popped in and out of Thermae as we were exploring the area for other reasons and were mostly just interested in having a drink, relaxing, surveying the talent and observing the proceedings. Not particularly driven to take a girl that time.

I noticed a pattern that I have seen a few times. My experience was already that from about 9:15 pm to 10:15 pm the girls are more receptive to a Caucasian customer option. Seems that way to me, at least. Then by 10:30 PM a big crowd of Asian guys start parading through and that is a big distraction for the girls from the Caucasian customer option. But that parade starts to die out around 12 Midnight and Caucasians go back to becoming interesting to the better looking girls again.

Not sure if there is any observable pattern (for me) after 1 AM or so because we were out of there by then.

Visited Levels couple times during my recent trip.

Its on Soi11, towards the end (Insanity is slightly further after turning left at T). Entrance 300 B, includes a drink, drinks are minimum 250 B. So essentially entrance is covering you for a drink.

The scene is good, mostly starts late- midnight and beyond. You have good variety Pros / Pro-Ams / Ams. I would rate overall quality 7 and above. The band is good, and very good dancers too.

I reached midnight, there were some hotties or rather girls that attracted my attention:

- First one, was with few friends- giggling & cackling, completely ignored my 'minor overtures', was not seemingly attached to any guy (s).

- Second one, exact same story.

- Third one similar story, in this case there was a guy feeding them drinks. But was not making much progress, the guy finally gave up and walked away- took him an hour+. I tried harder for this one but no success at all.

Only consolation to my lack of success, nobody else was succeeding either. Moreever no idea what was going on with these chics - could have been pure Ams - and/or did not find any of us attractive enough. Move On.

Now the 4th one- very young good looking chick, mid 20's, very fair, blondish/dyed(?) hair. Was with a couple of friends and a couple of guys- who were buying them drinks. And she was very busy Texting (as expected) and of course ignoring me completely. It was getting late 2:30, I was tired and drunk. I approached her directly and she just came over, collecting her a bags and drinks from other table. Her friends also came by and Intro'd.

Short conversation for a while, and asked her if she wanted to go out- she readily agreed. No talk of money no nothing.

Walked her to my nearby hotel Ambassador (Its a good hotel, they charge 100 B for night girl).

She was more than great with everything- no BS of any kind. I had hit a rare and major jackpot with her.

In the morning she was dressed and was ready to go, it seems she had a regular job that she needed to get to. She reluctantly / shyly asked for money, I have her 2. 5 K. That is all the cash I had in my wallet. She happily took it, asked me if I would like to see here again- I said yes. Met her next 2 days- Dinner, breakfast and another trip to Levels. Paid her couple of Ks each day, she took that happily (and shyly).
I tried to induce her to call her friends over to the party - somehow could not exactly convey/convince her into it. She had poor English, Google Translate could help only that much.

As it turns out, she has regular job and family, mixed parentage American-Thai, university educated, no child, no previous marriage (as she stated). She gave the impression of falling in love with me- I am twice her age, I am decent looking but late 50's is late 50's (she is late 20's). And finally she actually came to drop me at the airport.

So had a great experience, sometimes you do can find gems.

So likely joints like Levels attract all kinds of girls: Pros / Pro-Ams / Ams. You have to work a bit on them, and then get lucky.
I don't go to Go-Go bars, SWs yes - did notice a couple of good ones. But if places like Levels etc can do the trick - I could just stick to them.

Levels vs Insanity- I did not visit Insanity, it is next doors, same ownership, the charges are the same, based on general talk- Levels is described as a lot better.

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2261132]-snip-

As it turns out, she has regular job and family, mixed parentage American-Thai, university educated. She gave the impression of falling in love with me- I am twice her age, I am decent looking but late 50's is late 50's (she is late 20's). And finally she actually came to drop me at the airport.

So had a great experience, sometimes you do can find gems.

-snip-[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Hey, it is not unheard of for attractive Thai girls in their very early 20's to give the impression of falling in love with men three times their age, much less twice their age! haha. And very likely mean it, even pass the "no money" test over and over again.

At late 20's, your girl probably is very much looking to find a well put together older non Thai man who will be a life partner, supporter, around for her in the future in some way. She is way past her "Sell By" date in the eyes of most Thai men she knows. If she also has a child and/or is as well educated and suitable for non sexual events (with fluent English) as you described, it is very, very difficult for her to find a Thai man of any age willing to deal with that.

Many Thai girls think 25 is an "unlucky age/birthday/year", that things will start going downhill for them fast when they reach that age. They are probably right to feel that way and will start trying to improve their "luck" by delving into the non Thai man scene; discos and bars popular with non Thais, online dating sites and such.

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2261132]Visited Levels couple times during my recent trip.

Its on Soi11, towards the end (Insanity is slightly further after turning left at T). Entrance 300 B, includes a drink, drinks are minimum 250 B. So essentially entrance is covering you for a drink.

As it turns out, she has regular job and family, mixed parentage American-Thai, university educated, no child, no previous marriage (as she stated). She gave the impression of falling in love with me- I am twice her age, I am decent looking but late 50's is late 50's (she is late 20's). And finally she actually came to drop me at the airport.

So had a great experience, sometimes you do can find gems.

So likely joints like Levels attract all kinds of girls: Pros / Pro-Ams / Ams. You have to work a bit on them, and then get lucky.
I don't go to Go-Go bars, SWs yes - did notice a couple of good ones. But if places like Levels etc can do the trick - I could just stick to them.

Levels vs Insanity- I did not visit Insanity, it is next doors, same ownership, the charges are the same, based on general talk- Levels is described as a lot better.[/QUOTE]That is such a great post, Informative, well written and sooooo helpful. Posts like this make it worthwhile to wade through all the crap of the last few weeks of people arguing and carrying on like knuckleheads.

Kudos to you sir.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2261082]If your post is all the information, who as a foreigner gets in a fist fight, with a local, who is an armed policeman, on his own turf, "OVER A GIRL" in Tailand??

Firstly you are never going to win an altercation against a local esp an armed cop. It will always be the foreigner in the wrong. Secondly, why would anyone argue over a girl in Thailand (unless it was his wife etc). Just move on to the next one.

I believe prevention is far better than a cure. If I'm with a serious GF or wife I don't go to places where I could accidentally stumble across a drunk homicidal cop. On foreign soil I definitely would not be getting into arguements with one with family present.

Call me a prick but if it was just a girl for the night I would just walk away the moment the situation became remotely aggressive. My presence would just make the situation worse for both me and her.[/QUOTE]You're assuming that it was clear that he was an armed policeman, but he was off-duty so probably dressed as a civilian and his gun may not have been visible right away.

But apart from that I agree with you it's better to walk away from situations like that. If possible of course.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2261226]You're assuming that it was clear that he was an armed policeman, but he was off-duty so probably dressed as a civilian and his gun may not have been visible right away.

But apart from that I agree with you it's better to walk away from situations like that. If possible of course.[/QUOTE]Yep. I haven't seen the original news article but was going off of what was in Blanq's post. Having said that, remove my references to a armed cop and nothing changes in my book. Who gets into a fist fight with a thai citizen over a women in thailand? The foreigner is always going to come out second best there.

Two drunks got into a fight over some chick. The farang got the best of it. Unfortunately, the beaten Thai was an off duty cop, he followed the couple to the hotel, and confronted the farang in the hotel's lobby. This time he was armed and shot, killed the farang. He fled, but turned himself in. Now he's looking at a long stretch in the Monkey House. The BIB response: Enforcing the 2am closing time! A local told me the Police and Military went around ordering bars to close at 2am.

[URL]https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/french-tourist-shot-dead-in-bangkok-by-off-duty-thai-cop-11024602[/URL]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2261255]Who gets into a fist fight with a thai citizen over a women in thailand? The foreigner is always going to come out second best there.[/QUOTE]Even a verbal fight with a Thai could be dangerous. Just don't go looking for trouble or will find 20 times more trouble than you bargained for. A pissed off Thai usually knows a corrupt cop (or a Mafia type), that can be organised to plant serious drugs in your room, bag, pockets, whatever, then you get into serious trouble. There is not proper justice in Thailand.

Drugs being planted on people is not all that uncommon.

Just don't make enemies. Avoid it.

[QUOTE=VaSteve;2261118]Chrome (aka Annie's Soapy massage) is on that street; are they still open?[/QUOTE]Chrome is on 7/1, not 7. And yes, it's open.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2261093]Should the Frenchman have walked away. The way it turned out obviously but what if she was his long time girlfriend, the timing 7. 17 AM would suggest otherwise. . Also no way of knowing he was a cop and armed, he was in civies. Most important though is to understand losing face is unacceptable for a Thai-man so a smile and a handshake and walking away is always your best policy.[/QUOTE]Just for the record, the guy who got killed wasn't French, he was an Arab.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;2261411]Just for the record, the guy who got killed wasn't French, he was an Arab.[/QUOTE]Just for the record, he was a Frenchman. Maybe his background was Arab but his passport was French.

TF encounter. Chatted first thing this morning and she was almost waiting for me in my bed after work today. 23 years old and cute as a button. A starving nurse looking for a little extra cash. She stayed from 7 PM to 4 am and then headed back to the hospital for her next shift. I was feeling generous and gave her 4,000. Wonderful real and true GFE action. Love Thai Friendly! Attached photos sent to me to entice me.

Just to give you guys some examples of the girls I've hooked up with on Thai Friendly, I will post some pictures of the enticing photos I have collected from my latest conquests. I don't care what anyone says, it is still a goldmine for pussy and you should sign up for premiuim and follow the advice I have given and the advise of others as well. But if you don't have premium, it is a real pain in the ass and a waste of time. These are just a handful of the girls I have been with from TF over the last few months. Dont give up. Some became part time girlfriends and some were just a one time thing.

I am visiting Bangkok in about 2 weeks. So I am reading up because it's been about 2 years since my last visit. Thanks guy for all the valuable info posted.

I stumbled upon this report while Googling info on Soi Cowboy. Can this be true?

[URL]http://www.wowasis.com/travelblog/?p=3770[/URL]

Funman13.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2261524]I am visiting Bangkok in about 2 weeks. So I am reading up because it's been about 2 years since my last visit. Thanks guy for all the valuable info posted.

I stumbled upon this report while Googling info on Soi Cowboy. Can this be true?

[URL]http://www.wowasis.com/travelblog/?p=3770[/URL]

Funman13.[/QUOTE]The report says "Bill padding scams are legendary in Angeles City bars in the Philippines, but are now, from the reports we're hearing, becoming more common on Soi Cowboy in Bangkok. ".

That's not the case at all in AC. I've been going there for many years and I've never been overcharged. Nor have I heard any reports of it on the AC thread.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2261137]Thanks for the report. Hey, it is not unheard of for attractive Thai girls in their very early 20's to give the impression of falling in love with men three times their age, much less twice their age! haha. And very likely mean it, even pass the "no money" test over and over again.

At late 20's, your girl probably is very much looking to find a well put together older non Thai man who will be a life partner, supporter, around for her in the future in some way. She is way past her "Sell By" date in the eyes of most Thai men she knows. If she also has a child and/or is as well educated and suitable for non sexual events (with fluent English) as you described, it is very, very difficult for her to find a Thai man of any age willing to deal with that.

Many Thai girls think 25 is an "unlucky age/birthday/year", that things will start going downhill for them fast when they reach that age. They are probably right to feel that way and will start trying to improve their "luck" by delving into the non Thai man scene; discos and bars popular with non Thais, online dating sites and such.[/QUOTE]Yes I can understand there can be some socio-economic demographic dynamics here.

Oh well,

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;2261369]Chrome is on 7/1, not 7. And yes, it's open.[/QUOTE]I was there a week ago and had a decent session with a chick probably in her mid 30's. Returned yesterday and the whole line up was too big for my tastes so I left. Five chicks, no spinners. Price remains 2 K the hour.

I clicked on the Stickman link in one of the stories in this forum and read thru the pages. I did click on the Tartan Ladies on Stickman and checked out girls. To day I received an email form some asshole in NZ who says he had a worm in a link I opened and that if I didn't send him $750. To his Bitcoin account that he would ruin my OS and send my browsing history to all my links.

I'm not one to be held hostage and I just deleted his message. If its true then you won't hear from me for awhile. I'll call my ISP tomorrow and see what they can do.

In the meantime if any of you cursed Thur. Stickmann and opened any links be aware that this could happen to you. This guy is a criminal and I hope he suffers a terrible death.

Aloha.

RL.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2261490]Just to give you guys some examples of the girls I've hooked up with on Thai Friendly, I will post some pictures of the enticing photos I have collected from my latest conquests. I don't care what anyone says, it is still a goldmine for pussy and you should sign up for premiuim and follow the advice I have given and the advise of others as well. But if you don't have premium, it is a real pain in the ass and a waste of time. These are just a handful of the girls I have been with from TF over the last few months. Dont give up. Some became part time girlfriends and some were just a one time thing.[/QUOTE]Nice pics, Bkkdog. I see all of your pics are of the "brazen sexpot" pose variety. And that is great if one is into that type of girl, as many here would be I presume.

But I just wanted to add that there are also many "sweet and innocent girl-next-door" and "studious university student" type girls on ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid as well for those who are more into that type or who want to branch off into that type every now and then. You probably know about that already, but newbies to the dating site scene might think they need to target those with brazen sexpot type pics to get real sex from TF or TC girls. Not necessarily. The girl might come across as very conservative and subdued.

And if anyone knows the kind of sexual pleasures I am keen on achieving, primarily DATY with a shaved pussy, BBFS+CIP and BBBJ+CIM (sometimes Swallow), rest assured many of those kinds of "regular looking" girls on the dating sites are also Freelancers or perhaps Freelancer-curious and will oblige if you work with them a little bit. No, I won't be posting photos of those girls since, for one thing, by their very lack of those kinds of brazen sexpot photos, it is clear they are very much against projecting that image and showing up on a site like this one. lol. I just wanted to mention that you can't always go by their photos to know if they are up for that kind of True GFE or even a True PSE. Photos can be deceiving. Appearances in general can be deceiving.

Great pics Dog especially the girls at both ends of the top row. I have resisted searching for girls via the internet but it obviously works for some. Might have to give it a shot on my next trip to LOS.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2261593]Nice pics, Bkkdog. I see all of your pics are of the "brazen sexpot" pose variety. And that is great if one is into that type of girl, as many here would be I presume.

But I just wanted to add that there are also many "sweet and innocent girl-next-door" and "studious university student" type girls on ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid as well for those who are more into that type or who want to branch off into that type every now and then. You probably know about that already, but newbies to the dating site scene might think they need to target those with brazen sexpot type pics to get real sex from TF or TC girls. Not necessarily. The girl might come across as very conservative and subdued.

And if anyone knows the kind of sexual pleasures I am keen on achieving, primarily DATY with a shaved pussy, BBFS+CIP and BBBJ+CIM (sometimes Swallow), rest assured many of those kinds of "regular looking" girls on the dating sites are also Freelancers or perhaps Freelancer-curious and will oblige if you work with them a little bit. No, I won't be posting photos of those girls since, for one thing, by their very lack of those kinds of brazen sexpot photos, it is clear they are very much against projecting that image and showing up on a site like this one. lol. I just wanted to mention that you can't always go by their photos to know if they are up for that kind of True GFE or even a True PSE. Photos can be deceiving. Appearances in general can be deceiving.[/QUOTE]5555. I wouldn't post their regular photos on this site as it would be boring but I do have those too.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2261527]The report says "Bill padding scams are legendary in Angeles City bars in the Philippines, but are now, from the reports we're hearing, becoming more common on Soi Cowboy in Bangkok. ".

That's not the case at all in AC. I've been going there for many years and I've never been overcharged. Nor have I heard any reports of it on the AC thread.[/QUOTE]Pat Pong was notorious for trying to charge cover charges and show fees but this does not happen on Cowboy to my knowledge. You receive a paper bill after each drinks order so you can check it. In Crazy House you even have to initial each order since many customers forgot what they ordered, or some cultures just try to deny it.

Some customers fell for the "tequila coke" request for lady drinks. Of course it is a request for two drinks not one. Best to order explicitly with the waitress to ensure no misunderstanding. Don't allow girls to order the drinks. This is the only so called scam in Cowboy that I know of, although lady drinks cost more than customer drinks for the same drink. In some bars, a lady Tequilla is completely different to a customer tequila.

It is possible for the drinks total to be calculated incorrectly, but is not that frequent. My mental total is more accurate than their calculator, where typing mistake is possible. Normally they will total up twice to be sure is correct.

I take bill scam rumour with a grain of salt. Customer can be wrong or get a shock about drinks bill in the Arab's bars. However I don't regularly check all bars. I think reports need to name a specific bar and have plenty of evidence from experienced Cowboy customers.

I have not experienced clear bill scams. Mistakes occasionally.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2261609]5555. I wouldn't post their regular photos on this site as it would be boring but I do have those too.[/QUOTE]Got it. What I meant to say was there are many girls on those sites who only post boring photos without showing much skin at all, nothing like the pics you posted, but who are still up for the kind of True GFE for money and no other emotional strings attached that I and others might be looking for.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2261591]I clicked on the Stickman link ... To day I received an email form some asshole in NZ who says he had a worm in a link I opened and that if I didn't send him $750. To his Bitcoin account that he would ruin my OS and send my browsing history to all my links[/QUOTE]Probably unrelated to Stickman or their advertiser. These fake extortion scams happen all the time. Sometimes they even include a password that you may have used at one point on some poorly secured site. Gmail does a pretty good job of detecting and trashing such emails before you even see them.

Use unique passwords. Use long passwords.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2259291]I said PM and l will tell you.[/QUOTE]Bkkdog,

I have also PM'd you with the same question. Hope you will get a chance to reply.

I agree with Engine Driver about AC. I have been going there 2, 3 or 4 times a year for at least the last 10 years. I never had that problem. The waitress also made clear verbally and audibly "I receive from you one thousand pesos" etc.

Going back to that article I posted, the guys who got "scammed" paid cash for every round. Could that be the problem? But I still cannot figure out why it would be.

Funman13.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2261527]The report says "Bill padding scams are legendary in Angeles City bars in the Philippines, but are now, from the reports we're hearing, becoming more common on Soi Cowboy in Bangkok. ".

That's not the case at all in AC. I've been going there for many years and I've never been overcharged. Nor have I heard any reports of it on the AC thread.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2262415]Going back to that article I posted, the guys who got "scammed" paid cash for every round. Could that be the problem? But I still cannot figure out why it would be.[/QUOTE]Don't believe everything people say about getting scammed in bars in South East Asia. There are plenty of cheapskates crying wolf.

Just yesterday, I was in a pub having a drink and shooting some shit with a friend. There was a Caucasian man sitting at the next table. And after a couple of beers he got up and left. We only got to know about the fact that he left without paying, when poor waiter started frantically asking other patrons about this illustrious gent.

I paid for those 2 beers. Its a lot of money for a waiter, not as much for me.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2261490]Just to give you guys some examples of the girls I've hooked up with on Thai Friendly, I will post some pictures of the enticing photos I have collected from my latest conquests. I don't care what anyone says, it is still a goldmine for pussy and you should sign up for premiuim and follow the advice I have given and the advise of others as well. But if you don't have premium, it is a real pain in the ass and a waste of time. These are just a handful of the girls I have been with from TF over the last few months. Dont give up. Some became part time girlfriends and some were just a one time thing.[/QUOTE]Wow I like the 3rd last girl lying diagonally on the pillow with reddish brown hair. I would try to hang on to one that looked so natural and cute. What a smile.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2262434]Just yesterday, I was in a pub having a drink and shooting some shit with a friend. There was a Caucasian man sitting at the next table. And after a couple of beers he got up and left. We only got to know about the fact that he left without paying, when poor waiter started frantically asking other patrons about this illustrious gent.[/QUOTE]Any guy that cheap shouldn't be allowed on a plane to travel OS. Geez, a couple of beers are nothing for foreigners who clearly can afford to travel but if it comes out of the waitresses salary then it's a lot of money for them. Don't know how anyone can be that cheap.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2262451]Wow I like the 3rd last girl lying diagonally on the pillow with reddish brown hair. I would try to hang on to one that looked so natural and cute. What a smile.[/QUOTE]I lost track of her 3 months ago.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2262592]Any guy that cheap shouldn't be allowed on a plane to travel OS. Geez, a couple of beers are nothing for foreigners who clearly can afford to travel but if it comes out of the waitresses salary then it's a lot of money for them. Don't know how anyone can be that cheap.[/QUOTE]A lady was telling me about a Japanese customer of hers that she met and asked her to dinner. She complied and he took her to an expensive Japanese resto. Drank a lot of Saki and had some expensive sushi. He pardoned him self to make a phone call and never returned. She was stuck with the bill. She said she did not have the funds to pay, so she made a deal to pay off the bill a little at a time with the manager. This is so cruel to do this to anyone. There are some real slime balls out there.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2262714]A lady was telling me about a Japanese customer of hers that she met and asked her to dinner. She complied and he took her to an expensive Japanese resto. Drank a lot of Saki and had some expensive sushi. He pardoned him self to make a phone call and never returned. She was stuck with the bill. She said she did not have the funds to pay, so she made a deal to pay off the bill a little at a time with the manager. This is so cruel to do this to anyone. There are some real slime balls out there.

RL.[/QUOTE]Every girl has a story or 3 of not being paid in the morning.

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2262859]Every girl has a story or 3 of not being paid in the morning.[/QUOTE]Maybe you didn't read his story. The girl was not only not paid, she was stuck with a big bill to pay.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2262714]A lady was telling me about a Japanese customer of hers that she met and asked her to dinner. She complied and he took her to an expensive Japanese resto. Drank a lot of Saki and had some expensive sushi. He pardoned him self to make a phone call and never returned. She was stuck with the bill. She said she did not have the funds to pay, so she made a deal to pay off the bill a little at a time with the manager. This is so cruel to do this to anyone. There are some real slime balls out there.

RL.[/QUOTE]A BATS girl in Jakarta was telling me that some Chinese guy took her from BATS to Golden Crown and he got a private room there. A couple of his friends were with him. She says they not only had the private room, but also ordered some bottles of alcohol. She says it was getting very late and she fell asleep in the room. When she woke up, they were all gone and she was left with an 11 million rupiah bill (about 1000 usd).

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2262592]Geez, a couple of beers are nothing for foreigners who clearly can afford to travel but if it comes out of the waitresses salary then it's a lot of money for them. Don't know how anyone can be that cheap.[/QUOTE]Precisely. And this is in Singapore where a beer costs $15 (Sing dollars). So $30 would be roughly half a day's wages for the poor waiter. I can't see that happen, not on my watch.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2262714]A lady was telling me about a Japanese customer of hers that she met and asked her to dinner. She complied and he took her to an expensive Japanese resto. Drank a lot of Saki and had some expensive sushi. He pardoned him self to make a phone call and never returned. She was stuck with the bill. She said she did not have the funds to pay, so she made a deal to pay off the bill a little at a time with the manager. This is so cruel to do this to anyone. There are some real slime balls out there. RL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2262904]A BATS girl in Jakarta was telling me that some Chinese guy took her from BATS to Golden Crown and he got a private room there. A couple of his friends were with him. She says they not only had the private room, but also ordered some bottles of alcohol. She says it was getting very late and she fell asleep in the room. When she woke up, they were all gone and she was left with an 11 million rupiah bill (about 1000 usd).[/QUOTE]Plenty of low lives out there. Mongers who stiff girls on payment after the deed is done are bad enough for the community. But these guys who saddle unassuming WGs or waiters in bars with bills are unpardonable.

P.S. - Smoothy how did that story end then? What did the girl do to get out alive to tell you the story?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2261490]Just to give you guys some examples of the girls I've hooked up with on Thai Friendly, I will post some pictures of the enticing photos I have collected from my latest conquests. I don't care what anyone says, it is still a goldmine for pussy and you should sign up for premiuim and follow the advice I have given and the advise of others as well. But if you don't have premium, it is a real pain in the ass and a waste of time. These are just a handful of the girls I have been with from TF over the last few months. Dont give up. Some became part time girlfriends and some were just a one time thing.[/QUOTE]We've not always agreed, but I wholeheartedly second your endorsement of Thai Friendly. Had very satisfying results mining that site for connections. Found both obvious pros and cute office ladies seeking to augment their income. Some really nice sessions with very accommodating and part-time GFE girls.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2261490]Just to give you guys some examples of the girls I've hooked up with on Thai Friendly, I will post some pictures of the enticing photos I have collected from my latest conquests. I don't care what anyone says, it is still a goldmine for pussy and you should sign up for premiuim and follow the advice I have given and the advise of others as well. But if you don't have premium, it is a real pain in the ass and a waste of time. These are just a handful of the girls I have been with from TF over the last few months. Dont give up. Some became part time girlfriends and some were just a one time thing.[/QUOTE]

They are all super pretty and not one of them I wouldn't bar fine. But I have a certain type and wow that girl on the right in the next to last row. Wowowowow. That is the kind of face I'd pay just to look at and hopefully kiss and the rest would just be a bonus. Mad props if you spent quality time with her.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2261259]Two drunks got into a fight over some chick. The farang got the best of it. Unfortunately, the beaten Thai was an off duty cop, he followed the couple to the hotel, and confronted the farang in the hotel's lobby. This time he was armed and shot, killed the farang. He fled, but turned himself in. Now he's looking at a long stretch in the Monkey House. The BIB response: Enforcing the 2am closing time! A local told me the Police and Military went around ordering bars to close at 2am.

[URL]https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/french-tourist-shot-dead-in-bangkok-by-off-duty-thai-cop-11024602[/URL][/QUOTE]One of my regular Soi Cowboy girls know this policeman. He is a known trouble-maker for several years and he also frequent some of the Soi Cowboy establishments for drinking and for singing karaoke. She told me the story was not exactly as depicted in this link. Actually, the two men new each other and there was several girls involved, but not really a girlfriend. And the fight had started in a bar in Soi 11 due to an argument over the bill, not due to some jealusy. It ended with a fist fight right there in the bar. What happed later outside the French guys apartment building is probably accurate. The policeman will get as he deserves and will stay in prison for a very long time. Anyway, the lesson is still; walk away from trouble before it escalates, especially in Thailand.

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I'm not sure why Thailand is such a hot destination anymore. I mean really, if you want to fuck a reasonably attractive girl it's going to run you at least 2000 thb. If you want to pick one up from the bar it's at least 2000 thb and then a bar fine, 500 to 1000 thb and add the overpriced drinks you just had to pay for. The hotter ones will demand at least 3000 thb. I've actually been asked for 10000 thb+ at a gogo bar in Phuket before. I've even been quoted a 3000 thb bar fine. What the fuck? So you're looking at over $100 for one nut, probably way more if she's hot, and a lot of these girls refuse to blow you without a condom. Or you can go to a massage parlor and pay 2000 thb for a soapy massage in what looks like a public bathroom with a mat on the floor or get a regular massage in a room with cockroaches crawling on the ground. I guess if you're one of these dudes bragging about how you pay 1000 thb for a lay, that must have been a street hooker or something, and I've yet to find one that isn't ugly. Has anyone really walked down beach road in Pattaya and said OMG I'm in fucking heaven look at all these beautiful girls lined up? Hell no. Those girls are bottom tier. It turns out the real bang for your buck is taking them for extended periods of time, but a lot of times they don't want to sleep in your hotel next to your snoring ass. A lot of times they'll ask to leave early. Why say no? Why sleep next to someone who gives zero fucks about you and doesn't want to be there?

Got me wondering if anyone has ever been to Germany or Belgium. I mean go to a window girl, that's 50 euros for a nut. No bullshit no games no drinks. Sure, it's all covered, but that's how a lot of the girls in Thailand prefer it too. So you actually wind up paying $100+ for a nut from a Thai girl and you could have gotten the same thing in Belgium for 50 euros from a white girl. And if you were to have gone to an FKK in Germany, you pay 50 euros to get in, don't have to buy them any drinks don't have to pay any bar fine, once you're in you can fuck them all, 50 euros each. Want extras? Another 50 euros will get her to do much more for you. And she'll tell you everything she'll do up front no games no bullshit and takes you to a (usually) clean and reasonable room. If these Thai girls were properly priced, the hottest fake tits skinny model ones should be going for 2000 thb maximum for a nut. More than that for a 3rd world broke ass Thai girl just doesn't make any sense.

Don't know what everyone else's reasoning is for loving this place so much but I'm out. It's simply not worth it. Europe peddles much better, much prettier working girls for less than Thailand does. Who the fuck would have thought it would come to this? Must be the over tourism that ruined this place. I'm sure at one point it must have been lovely and the prices reasonable. Same as Amsterdam, tourists ruined that place.

[QUOTE=Lastjungle;2263391]I'm not sure why Thailand is such a hot destination anymore. I mean really, if you want to fuck a reasonably attractive girl it's going to run you at least 2000 thb. If you want to pick one up from the bar it's at least 2000 thb and then a bar fine, 500 to 1000 thb and add the overpriced drinks you just had to pay for. The hotter ones will demand at least 3000 thb. I've actually been asked for 10000 thb+ at a gogo bar in Phuket before. I've even been quoted a 3000 thb bar fine. What the fuck? So you're looking at over $100 for one nut, probably way more if she's hot, and a lot of these girls refuse to blow you without a condom. Or you can go to a massage parlor and pay 2000 thb for a soapy massage in what looks like a public bathroom with a mat on the floor or get a regular massage in a room with cockroaches crawling on the ground. I guess if you're one of these dudes bragging about how you pay 1000 thb for a lay, that must have been a street hooker or something, and I've yet to find one that isn't ugly. Has anyone really walked down beach road in Pattaya and said OMG I'm in fucking heaven look at all these beautiful girls lined up? Hell no. Those girls are bottom tier. It turns out the real bang for your buck is taking them for extended periods of time, but a lot of times they don't want to sleep in your hotel next to your snoring ass. A lot of times they'll ask to leave early. Why say no? Why sleep next to someone who gives zero fucks about you and doesn't want to be there?

Got me wondering if anyone has ever been to Germany or Belgium. I mean go to a window girl, that's 50 euros for a nut. No bullshit no games no drinks. Sure, it's all covered, but that's how a lot of the girls in Thailand prefer it too. So you actually wind up paying $100+ for a nut from a Thai girl and you could have gotten the same thing in Belgium for 50 euros from a white girl. And if you were to have gone to an FKK in Germany, you pay 50 euros to get in, don't have to buy them any drinks don't have to pay any bar fine, once you're in you can fuck them all, 50 euros each. Want extras? Another 50 euros will get her to do much more for you. And she'll tell you everything she'll do up front no games no bullshit and takes you to a (usually) clean and reasonable room. If these Thai girls were properly priced, the hottest fake tits skinny model ones should be going for 2000 thb maximum for a nut. More than that for a 3rd world broke ass Thai girl just doesn't make any sense.

Don't know what everyone else's reasoning is for loving this place so much but I'm out. It's simply not worth it. Europe peddles much better, much prettier working girls for less than Thailand does. Who the fuck would have thought it would come to this? Must be the over tourism that ruined this place. I'm sure at one point it must have been lovely and the prices reasonable. Same as Amsterdam, tourists ruined that place.[/QUOTE]I agree with much of what you posted with regard to the usual go-to P4P venues in Thailand, particularly the sentiment in that last paragraph about it being the tourists, the modern punters who are ruining the place with their low expectations and minimal demands. Case in point your mention that some girls "won't blow you without a condom". I sure read here and hear in person that horror story more and more. I do believe the condom issue is a much bigger problem in the Thai P4P scene than one might conclude from reading these threads. Reading many of these FRs, one would think almost every punter in Thailand is fine with wearing a condom for relatively expensive sex (for a country like Thailand). But that is definitely contrary to what I hear from virtually every fellow punter of any age I meet in Thailand.

Getting it "BB"/bareback seems to be a constant topic of conversation. And I am not the one initiating the conversation about it. No, I don't mean from girls who are so low on the scale they grasp at any 700 baht counter offer and will do anything for it with anyone. I am talking about above average or better girls who will not budge for less than 2000-2500 baht. It has become so much the topic of discussion with the guys who live and visit here of late, I actually had a dream the other night that every customer entering Thermae for two solid weeks refused to take a girl for any amount of baht unless she agreed to BBFS+CIP! LOL. Talk about modern Thai P4P "culture shock".

But I have found one can still have plenty of True GFEs (in my book, that is at least either a full and complete BBBJ+CIM or a BBFS+CIP) with good looking young Bangkok go-go girls that I suspect would do it much more for me in terms of youth, looks and demeanor than the European "white girls" you referenced. But that is just me. And I don't find spending the equivalent of $100-$150 USD in order to enjoy it leaves me wondering why I spent so much.

I notice you did not mention anything about meeting girls on the dating sites or social networks. Again, those are not the traditional go-to Thai P4P venues but they certainly are where many of us are now swinging very rewarding True GFEs with lovely young Thai girls for less than it costs to barfine and pay a similar age and appearance go-go girl, Thermae level girls I would say. The huge difference being it seems easier to negotiate BB with those same type of girls when you meet and video chat with them online than when you meet them standing in that very uncomfortable and intimidating lineup at Thermae.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2259288]Nana Plaza lost a Ladyboy bar and gained a regular (real ladies only?) go-go bar very recently. It is called Geisha, located on the top level of Nana Plaza in the corner down from Butterflies go-go bar, in a spot that used to be a Ladyboy bar. I think the name is "Geisha" only, no "Bar" next to it, but could be wrong. Somewhat U-shaped seating area around a tiered stage. Has a glassed-in bathtub box on the far side of the stage as you walk in. The girls in that glass box wash themselves with sudsy water from the tub and go topless. Seems to have some of the available stage and seating area on the opposite side of the room curtained off for further construction. I don't know for sure since this bar was a Labyboy bar before and I never went inside then.

I went there last night, Saturday night, around 9 PM. When the mamasan saw me walk in she came over, threw her arms around me all smiles and happiness, welcoming me into the place. I never met her before, so that was unexpected. LOL. Maybe she thought I was somebody else she knew already. She told me all the girls are barfineable, all barfines are 800 baht regardless of ST or LT and everything else is up to the girl and you. I pointed to one girl onstage who was wearing a black bikini instead of the general white the other girls were wearing and to another one who appeared to be wearing a double layer top with a black bra under her white bikini top (no pantyhose) and asked why they were wearing those and did that mean they were Coyotes? Mamasan said no difference, same as the other girls. I didn't ask, but I saw no evidence of intermingled Ladyboys, although I don't recall seeing a "Real Ladies Only" sign outside either.

In the two sets of dance sessions I sat for, there were about 12 girls on stage for each set and another half dozen or so walking around or sitting next to or on the laps of customers. Not a particularly wild or party atmosphere. The music was loud but not too loud for me to understand what the mamasan and servers were saying to me. At that hour on this Saturday night the seating area, three levels of cushioned bleacher style booths, was about 20% occupied. Despite the possibly misleading name of the bar (in more ways than one, imo) the customer demographic was no more than half Asian/Japanese(?) and there seemed to be mostly older expat type customers. Same as me, I suppose.

I did not see any girls rating what one would likely consider a Bargirl 8 or above in terms of looks. But if you are fine with the young cute or quirky cute look and demeanor, as I am, you might have found 3-4 on the stage during each set that appealed enough to give her a shot. I came in smiling, was greeted rather nicely by the mamasan, kept up a positive, happy and approachable demeanor since that is genuinely how I felt last night anyway, yet I can't say my smile or gaze was returned by any "doable" girl (for me) either on stage or walking around. Neither I nor any other customer in the bar was approached by girls alone or in pairs for a Ladydrink request after they came down from the stage after a set. They all donned more regular clothes over their bikinis, shorts and t-shirts, and hightailed it outside to join the "Come Inside!" chorus.

Maybe those last couple of observations is a comment on the girls' interest or rather disinterest in me buying one a drink or barfining them, I have no idea. LOL. Some guys much prefer the "no interference with my drinking" style in a bar, where the girls neither flag you from the stage with a "buy me drink" gesture or approach you personally after their dance set. This time I took it as a reason not to engage with any girl there but might go back and give it another look sometime.[/QUOTE]I'd suggest waiting a bit and then giving Geisha another chance. They're in the process of expanding quite a bit, you can see the work if you find your way to the bathroom. They're signing on more girls, and it's improved quite a bit, and I expect that'll continue. They're apparently giving the girls a better deal than many of the other bars. It looks to me like they intend to be a strong competitor.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2263592]I agree with much of what you posted with regard to the usual go-to P4P venues in Thailand, particularly the sentiment in that last paragraph about it being the tourists, the modern punters who are ruining the place with their low expectations and minimal demands. Case in point your mention that some girls "won't blow you without a condom". I sure read here and hear in person that horror story more and more. I do believe the condom issue is a much bigger problem in the Thai P4P scene than one might conclude from reading these threads. Reading many of these FRs, one would think almost every punter in Thailand is fine with wearing a condom for relatively expensive sex (for a country like Thailand). But that is definitely contrary to what I hear from virtually every fellow punter of any age I meet in Thailand..[/QUOTE]Not saying condom less doesn't happen with those high end girls, it does, but many just flat out refuse. What you're talking about using dating sites is much more work, almost like traditional dating. You have to sift through loads of bullshit before you get what you want. Also, this can be done anywhere so why bother with that in Thailand where sex is supposed to be widely available and easy to get, you could even do that in the US on sites like seekingarrangement and pay less than you would going to escorts or whatever. But the easiest ways to get ass around here mean you're going to get ripped off. Where as in Europe, no bullshit.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2263645]I'd suggest waiting a bit and then giving Geisha another chance. They're in the process of expanding quite a bit, you can see the work if you find your way to the bathroom. They're signing on more girls, and it's improved quite a bit, and I expect that'll continue. They're apparently giving the girls a better deal than many of the other bars. It looks to me like they intend to be a strong competitor.[/QUOTE]From what I have read, it is the only Korean-owned bar in Nana Plaza.

[QUOTE=Lastjungle;2263391]I'm not sure why Thailand is such a hot destination anymore. I mean really, if you want to fuck a reasonably attractive girl it's going to run you at least 2000 thb. If you want to pick one up from the bar it's at least 2000 thb and then a bar fine, 500 to 1000 thb and add the overpriced drinks you just had to pay for. The hotter ones will demand at least 3000 thb. I've actually been asked for 10000 thb+ at a gogo bar in Phuket before. I've even been quoted a 3000 thb bar fine. What the fuck? So you're looking at over $100 for one nut, probably way more if she's hot, and a lot of these girls refuse to blow you without a condom. Or you can go to a massage parlor and pay 2000 thb for a soapy massage in what looks like a public bathroom with a mat on the floor or get a regular massage in a room with cockroaches crawling on the ground. I guess if you're one of these dudes bragging about how you pay 1000 thb for a lay, that must have been a street hooker or something, and I've yet to find one that isn't ugly. Has anyone really walked down beach road in Pattaya and said OMG I'm in fucking heaven look at all these beautiful girls lined up? Hell no. Those girls are bottom tier. It turns out the real bang for your buck is taking them for extended periods of time, but a lot of times they don't want to sleep in your hotel next to your snoring ass. A lot of times they'll ask to leave early. Why say no? Why sleep next to someone who gives zero fucks about you and doesn't want to be there?

Got me wondering if anyone has ever been to Germany or Belgium. I mean go to a window girl, that's 50 euros for a nut. No bullshit no games no drinks. Sure, it's all covered, but that's how a lot of the girls in Thailand prefer it too. So you actually wind up paying $100+ for a nut from a Thai girl and you could have gotten the same thing in Belgium for 50 euros from a white girl. And if you were to have gone to an FKK in Germany, you pay 50 euros to get in, don't have to buy them any drinks don't have to pay any bar fine, once you're in you can fuck them all, 50 euros each. Want extras? Another 50 euros will get her to do much more for you. And she'll tell you everything she'll do up front no games no bullshit and takes you to a (usually) clean and reasonable room. If these Thai girls were properly priced, the hottest fake tits skinny model ones should be going for 2000 thb maximum for a nut. More than that for a 3rd world broke ass Thai girl just doesn't make any sense.

Don't know what everyone else's reasoning is for loving this place so much but I'm out. It's simply not worth it. Europe peddles much better, much prettier working girls for less than Thailand does. Who the fuck would have thought it would come to this? Must be the over tourism that ruined this place. I'm sure at one point it must have been lovely and the prices reasonable. Same as Amsterdam, tourists ruined that place.[/QUOTE]Good observations and nice report. When Stickman was still in BKK, he came to the same conclusion. His reports are still on the net. The Chinese tourists have already invaded the FKKs, so it will be the Indians next in Germany. Indians en masse haven't invaded AC yet as there are no direct flights to Manila from any Indian city. They would prefer to go to BKK and Pattaya as the package deals are so cheap and it's heavily promoted in India by the Thai government.

[QUOTE=Lastjungle;2263391]I'm not sure why Thailand is such a hot destination anymore. I mean really, if you want to fuck a reasonably attractive girl it's going to run you at least 2000 thb. If you want to pick one up from the bar it's at least 2000 thb and then a bar fine, 500 to 1000 thb and add the overpriced drinks you just had to pay for. The hotter ones will demand at least 3000 thb. I've actually been asked for 10000 thb+ at a gogo bar in Phuket before. I've even been quoted a 3000 thb bar fine. What the fuck? So you're looking at over $100 for one nut, probably way more if she's hot, and a lot of these girls refuse to blow you without a condom. Or you can go to a massage parlor and pay 2000 thb for a soapy massage in what looks like a public bathroom with a mat on the floor or get a regular massage in a room with cockroaches crawling on the ground. I guess if you're one of these dudes bragging about how you pay 1000 thb for a lay, that must have been a street hooker or something, and I've yet to find one that isn't ugly. Has anyone really walked down beach road in Pattaya and said OMG I'm in fucking heaven look at all these beautiful girls lined up? Hell no. Those girls are bottom tier. It turns out the real bang for your buck is taking them for extended periods of time, but a lot of times they don't want to sleep in your hotel next to your snoring ass. A lot of times they'll ask to leave early. Why say no? Why sleep next to someone who gives zero fucks about you and doesn't want to be there?

Got me wondering if anyone has ever been to Germany or Belgium. I mean go to a window girl, that's 50 euros for a nut. No bullshit no games no drinks. Sure, it's all covered, but that's how a lot of the girls in Thailand prefer it too. So you actually wind up paying $100+ for a nut from a Thai girl and you could have gotten the same thing in Belgium for 50 euros from a white girl. And if you were to have gone to an FKK in Germany, you pay 50 euros to get in, don't have to buy them any drinks don't have to pay any bar fine, once you're in you can fuck them all, 50 euros each. Want extras? Another 50 euros will get her to do much more for you. And she'll tell you everything she'll do up front no games no bullshit and takes you to a (usually) clean and reasonable room. If these Thai girls were properly priced, the hottest fake tits skinny model ones should be going for 2000 thb maximum for a nut. More than that for a 3rd world broke ass Thai girl just doesn't make any sense.

Don't know what everyone else's reasoning is for loving this place so much but I'm out. It's simply not worth it. Europe peddles much better, much prettier working girls for less than Thailand does. Who the fuck would have thought it would come to this? Must be the over tourism that ruined this place. I'm sure at one point it must have been lovely and the prices reasonable. Same as Amsterdam, tourists ruined that place.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more. I read these posts about guys spending in excess of 200 USD on drinks, BF, and gal and I just sigh. It's really out of hand for what you are getting. Yes, that would get you far more in Europe or Central / South America. And you are spot on, the Asian tourist has ruined the market. It has also had a profound effect on the gals attitudes. Paying Ferrari prices does not make a Toyota a supercar. I also think there is a lot of attitude among the punters who think they are getting something exclusive. And by exclusive, I mean in price only. Seems many dudes these days revel in the "ha, I can afford it and you can't. " Truthfully I don't see that attitude with western punters. We are more than happy with everyone having a go at a reasonable price. No ego involved at all. Hell, we moved here to get away from the ego and "game" nonsense and now it's been injected into the p4 p scene. And that's just absurd.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2263782]Could not agree more. I read these posts about guys spending in excess of 200 USD on drinks, BF, and gal and I just sigh. It's really out of hand for what you are getting. Yes, that would get you far more in Europe or Central / South America. And you are spot on, the Asian tourist has ruined the market. It has also had a profound effect on the gals attitudes. Paying Ferrari prices does not make a Toyota a supercar. I also think there is a lot of attitude among the punters who think they are getting something exclusive. And by exclusive, I mean in price only. Seems many dudes these days revel in the "ha, I can afford it and you can't. " Truthfully I don't see that attitude with western punters. We are more than happy with everyone having a go at a reasonable price. No ego involved at all. Hell, we moved here to get away from the ego and "game" nonsense and now it's been injected into the p4 p scene. And that's just absurd.[/QUOTE]Yes, if we are talking about the Go Go bar scene, you are absolutely right. 2,500-3,000ST, 800 BF, and let's see 2 LDs 300-400 Baht. So at the high end, you are at 4,200 Baht. 128 USD. Doh! Maybe it's really not so bad. Actually, this is reasonable. It's only when you really start buying the lady drinks it adds up. I myself have run up a 4-5 k bar tab when I was feeling generous but that's not quite the same is it. In Pattaya, it's a little cheaper. Then If we take into account the freelancers and massage ladies, it's really not that bad. Come on guys! Roll with it.

Any action around Khao San Road? Thanks.

Thailand is OK if you get away from BKK and the tourist traps that now charge silly money. If you get out into the sticks up Isaan way you can still find very nice women for 500 a fuk and no bad attitude. You do find the occasional starfisher but there was always a few of them anywhere. As a BKK old hand its not worth the flight any more, south america is a better deal or the Gambia for a GFE.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2263788]Yes, if we are talking about the Go Go bar scene, you are absolutely right. 2,500-3,000ST, 800 BF, and let's see 2 LDs 300-400 Baht. So at the high end, you are at 4,200 Baht. 128 USD. Doh! Maybe it's really not so bad. Actually, this is reasonable. It's only when you really start buying the lady drinks it adds up. I myself have run up a 4-5 k bar tab when I was feeling generous but that's not quite the same is it. In Pattaya, it's a little cheaper. Then If we take into account the freelancers and massage ladies, it's really not that bad. Come on guys! Roll with it.[/QUOTE]700 Baht BF? Most in the 1000-1500 Baht range. And add in ST hotel and with a few drinks you're up near 200. But sorry, I think 140 is out of line as well. Have never had a p4p experience in Thailand or anywhere really worth 140 USD. 2k is about all it's worth to me considering you get a gal in Europe for 50 Euros, a gal in Jakarta for 1-2k, and a gal in hk for around 2k. Absolutely no reason a Thai gal should be worth any more.

Lady drinks were 220 at king's castle 1 a couple of weeks ago. Only DFK from my girl. Not even a HJ for my 220 baht. Only some over the pants rubbing.

Goatscot, when were you last in a Germany fkk? You have to negotiate for a bbbj now for 50 euro. Girls want 100 euro now for dfk and bbbj.

Not sure when you last visited Jakarta either. I was there last week. Talent is way way down. I was counting the days to get back to pattaya gogo girls.

I am in BKK for a few days before I head to Chiang mai and I took a hotel on Sukhumvit Soi 18. While doing the usual round to get some coffee and cigarettes, a lady few years past her prime waved from inside a bar. Since it was still early in the morning, decided to give it a miss. I went back in the evening and apparently she is the mama san. Took a couple of pints and was talking to her. Massage with sex was on the menu for 1800 tbh all inclusive but Since I am more of a blowjob connoiseur, took her up for 1000 tbh. She definitely knew what she was doing and CIM after 10 minutes, johny became happy. Went back downstairs, had a chat again and went on my way. There was another lady available who was younger, had a cute face and a thick ass I could bang all night. Unfortunately, she was in the sack with another customer. Might go back tomorrow for her. This is a decent place to just grab a beer, enjoy the music and just chat with the lady without any pressure of buying massage or other services.

[QUOTE=Lastjungle;2263391]I'm not sure why Thailand is such a hot destination anymore. [/QUOTE]

Thailand scene has certainly gone downhill, and is mostly coasting on old glory. However, while your assessment of Thailand today is spot-on, I think you're a bit too optimistic about other places, Europe in particular. It's difficult to find more than, say, a 100 women in one place, 50 euro is by no means the universal going rate (more like the best deal to be had), and service is not all that straightforward or without tricks.

One thing Thailand used to have that other prostitution scenes (except maybe the Philippines) never developed was a truly friendly attitudes and normal girls. In the old times, I often had a feeling that a girl enjoyed, or at least didn't mind being with me, and that money was just facilitating that connection. Thai working girls were easy going, happy to please (within reason), not the least bit rushed and surprisingly [I]normal[/I]. Normal to the point that punters were spending days, weeks with them, and even marrying them, an act of insanity that wouldn't even cross your mind elsewhere in the world.

In almost all other places (and increasingly in Thailand), prostitution is highly transactional. It's 100% obvious that the girl would rather be elsewhere if it wasn't for the money, they don't make any effort to hide that. They do their best to offer as little service as they can get away with, the good ones going through the agreed upon motions and put a nice (if unconvincing) act, the bad ones are not reluctant to aggravate you if it helps get you out faster (or just for kicks).

Out there in the world, even if some girls are cheaper, it is always perfectly clear that you're dealing with dregs of society stuck in a rock-bottom lifestyle that you wouldn't want much to do with after shooting your load (even if they're good looking). In Thailand, you often had a sense you were with a more-or-less normal girl who ended up in an unenviable profession, but somehow still kept her dignity, spirit and self-respect, still capable of empathy and even love. Sadly, that scene is largely the thing of the past, but still visible in traces, especially in places like Pattaya.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2263733]Good observations and nice report. When Stickman was still in BKK, he came to the same conclusion. His reports are still on the net. The Chinese tourists have already invaded the FKKs, so it will be the Indians next in Germany. Indians en masse haven't invaded AC yet as there are no direct flights to Manila from any Indian city. They would prefer to go to BKK and Pattaya as the package deals are so cheap and it's heavily promoted in India by the Thai government.[/QUOTE]Yes- it is 'have money have visa- will go and spend and Fuck'(like everybody else). Neither $s nor visas were available once upon a time- now both Indians and Chinese have them too. Seasoned punters have nothing to brag or prove to no one- new comers think they need to. So that is that.

But all that can certainly spoil and distort markets for all.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2263877]Thailand scene has certainly gone downhill, and is mostly coasting on old glory....
Sadly, that scene is largely the thing of the past, but still visible in traces, especially in places like Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Well written, absolutely true and on the spot. I feel lucky to had that confirmed many times,\ with the latest one few hours ago.

[QUOTE=Lastjungle;2263391]I'm not sure why Thailand is such a hot destination anymore.

Got me wondering if anyone has ever been to Germany or Belgium. I mean go to a window girl, that's 50 euros for a nut. No bullshit no games no drinks. Sure, it's all covered, but that's how a lot of the girls in Thailand prefer it too. So you actually wind up paying $100+ for a nut from a Thai girl and you could have gotten the same thing in Belgium for 50 euros from a white girl. And if you were to have gone to an FKK in Germany, you pay 50 euros to get in, don't have to buy them any drinks don't have to pay any bar fine, once you're in you can fuck them all, 50 euros each. Want extras? Another 50 euros will get her to do much more for you. And she'll tell you everything she'll do up front no games no bullshit and takes you to a (usually) clean and reasonable room. If these Thai girls were properly priced, the hottest fake tits skinny model ones should be going for 2000 thb maximum for a nut. More than that for a 3rd world broke ass Thai girl just doesn't make any sense.

Don't know what everyone else's reasoning is for loving this place so much but I'm out. It's simply not worth it. Europe peddles much better, much prettier working girls for less than Thailand does. Who the fuck would have thought it would come to this? Must be the over tourism that ruined this place. I'm sure at one point it must have been lovely and the prices reasonable. Same as Amsterdam, tourists ruined that place.[/QUOTE]You don't understand why Thailand is such a hot destination? Probably that's because you have obviously never been there. First off, your prices are all wrong and your asserting that the WG are prettier is strictly a personal preference when you say " you could have gotten the same thing in Belgium for 50 euros from a white girl". I personally don't care much for white girls and you obviously can't appreciate the beauty of a Thai woman, especially when they are selling their bodies very cheaply. If you like white girls, that fine, but you are on the wrong forum if you think you can hold the "white girl" as the global standard of beauty. BTW, mongering in Thailand is as simple as pulling a girl off Sukhumvit, Soi 6 or Beach Rd. No bar fine or lady drinks required. If you had visited Thailand, I would think you would have noticed that.

Europe peddles better? Really? 50 Euros in Germany? I've done Berlin (cheapest mongering in Western Europe) in recent history. 50 Euros will get you the same 15 minutes as 35,000 COP ($12 USD) will get you in Bogota with a pretty Colombiana. Except that 50 Euros isn't going to fetch a pretty European woman. I've never done the FKK scene but the reports on the German threads report a much higher cost. Think more like 50 Euros to get in the door and read all the complaints about very rushed encounters once inside. There is no economy there. And most FKKs are located in the grimmer parts of Germany with little of tourist or culture interest. Most Americans (like you) will fly into Frankfurt, rent a car at significant expense, drive across the country, paying a lot for fuel, to get to some FKK in an industrial area, only to bust a nut a few times. I don't see the economy there. So, I don't think you have experienced Germany in recent history, either.

But, to answer your question, why is Thailand such a hot destination? Well, there's a lot of other things to do besides monger that make it worthwhile. The food is delicious and cheap. The beaches are numerous and many of them very nice. Cheap therapeutic massages are everywhere, and if you want an oily HJ to end it, you have plenty of options. The interior of Thailand holds a lot of other attractions that are completely fascinating. I'm guessing you never took a train ride up north to visit Old Sukhothai or any other of the expansive ruins. But, I do suggest you actually try it for yourself and see why is a great destination, whether you are mongering or not.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2263782]Hell, we moved here to get away from the ego and "game" nonsense and now it's been injected into the p4 p scene. And that's just absurd.[/QUOTE]Spot on. I am tired of playing of games.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2263877]
One thing Thailand used to have that other prostitution scenes (except maybe the Philippines) never developed was a truly friendly attitudes and normal girls. In the old times, I often had a feeling that a girl enjoyed, or at least didn't mind being with me, and that money was just facilitating that connection. Thai working girls were easy going, happy to please (within reason), not the least bit rushed and surprisingly [I]normal[/I]. Normal to the point that punters were spending days, weeks with them, and even marrying them, an act of insanity that wouldn't even cross your mind elsewhere in the world.[/QUOTE]Hate to point out the elephant in the room (heard Thailand has those as well) but maybe as you've aged you don't have the same draw as you did when you were in your 40's? Say what you want about Thailand but what draws me is the women who have a hard time carrying on a conversation in English. Its heaven when the girl just gives up trying to talk to you and bends over.

What did confucious say to the woman with two black eyes? Nothing, she'd already been told twice.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2263926]Hate to point out the elephant in the room (heard Thailand has those as well) but maybe as you've aged you don't have the same draw as you did when you were in your 40's? [/QUOTE]I think it is a bit of a combination of a few points and the fact that Thailand has matured as a P4 P scene.

1. We are definitely getting older and don't have the same draw power when we were younger. I feel this affect as each season goes by, girls that would often stay with me for extra time or free when I was in my 30's and a good looking, wealthy young dude. Now they are much more work as I am in my late 40's and they are much less willing to stay extra time and freebies are getting rarer and rarer. A 20 something chic of course doesn't want to bang a 55+ year old dude but will "go through the motions" for cash of course. I see this as my destiny, it is hard to take sometimes but the reality is the human body does not get more appealing with age.

2. Thailand and most of Asia is much wealthier than it was 20 or 30 years ago. Hence they have more options.

3. The bar scene has peaked with technology making it easier to find P4 P. Thaifriendly and other online options mean that a whole new world has opened to make contact with younger ladies in need to pay a few extra bills much easier. Yes we may go to a bar for a bit of a drink but the bread and butter in the P4 P scene is definitely moving online. I used to go to a Bar to look for some P4 P, now I go for a drink and a bit of fun and am not bothered if I don't find something because I have a wider net to draw from. Once you work out a little system on how to get the best out of thaifriendly and other dating sites it is a gold mine for cheaper, less hardened P4 P.

It's been two years since I've been to Thailand but I love to read this and the Pattaya forum as it is always lively and takes me back. I do love the gogo and bar scene and hope to return soon.

I was just doing a recounting of various places I've been over the last few years (UK, Spain, Thailand, Germany, China, Japan, NZ, Brazil) and of these Thailand still is one of the most cost effective regardless of it "going downhill". And yes German FKK gets more expensive for kissing and BBBJ from highest optic girls, so the downward slope is not limited to Thailand.

If Thailand is getting on your nerves I strongly suggest Brazil. You can get everything from a top night club experience at $300 including a true 9 girl and drinks and a classy room onsite to a quick suck and fuck (BBBJ) with a hottie for $30. (Yep). The main draw if you have the coin To frequent Thai gogo, then will have true GFE in Brazil with someone even better looking. You will honestly believe that girl is into you — not just a forced GFE. It is truly the best place on earth at the moment IMO.

P.S. I often find guys who like Asians like Latinas also, plus there are a ton of Latina / Asian mixes to be had. So Brazil often lines up on taste also.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2263967] And yes German FKK gets more expensive for kissing and BBBJ from highest optic girls[/QUOTE]The thing is most of the time you can't get those services from the girls you want even if you pay.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2263972]The thing is most of the time you can't get those services from the girls you want even if you pay.[/QUOTE]Not really true, because most of the time you should not be choosing girls that give crap service. Repeating the great good service girls (with high optical score. Great face and body) is allowed. I found there are top girls happy to give a fantastic GFE, if I wasn't trying to get out of it with an el-cheapo 30 min quickie (for 50 Euros. Less than 2 k Baht). If CrocXP never found the great girls then I have to assume he was spending only 50 Euros (and in recent years).

In old days Thais were more reliable for service than Western girls, but I think the difference gap has dropped away. Black girls and Latinas have always been the most reliable for service overall in my experience, however there are certain countries from which I never had a bad service, e.g. Czech girls, Hungarian girls (sample not large though). They were always enthusiastic.

I accept the Breadman point that I don't have the same appeal to Thai girls that I had in 1991, even my sex skills have improved (most enthusiastic girls can orgasm in DATY or cowgirl or both). Fkk girls in Europe are very used to doing men far older than me (10 years older but look 20 years older), so I may seem just middle aged.

Not many of my girls want to do a lot of talking during sex, so I treat the Breadman point on communication problems as a total joke. If the girl talks too much (and I understand Thai very well), I would drop her. I am the peaceful loving type. One ex GF is annoying for me, as goes on and on, on the same point. I understood very well the first or second time.

I am not running off to Europe girls though. Thai girls are still a lot cheaper on a time basis. If you want 90 mins to 2 hours, in Europe becomes very expensive, and 4 hours to all night price is ridiculous. 30 mins quickie never worked for me. Of course if we want really cheap, then Cambodia is a better option.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2263978]Not really true, because most of the time you should not be choosing girls that give crap service. [/QUOTE]You are talking about something different. It is not as easy as you said and the reason is because they don't have to. Tell me a place where you can pay extra to get those services from a beautiful girl.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2263842]Lady drinks were 220 at king's castle 1 a couple of weeks ago. Only DFK from my girl. Not even a HJ for my 220 baht. Only some over the pants rubbing.

Goatscot, when were you last in a Germany fkk? You have to negotiate for a bbbj now for 50 euro. Girls want 100 euro now for dfk and bbbj.

Not sure when you last visited Jakarta either. I was there last week. Talent is way way down. I was counting the days to get back to pattaya gogo girls.[/QUOTE]You did well to get a DFK for price of lady drink in King's Castle. If you expect a HJ for 220 Baht, we should expel you to Cambodia. :) However I trust you were joking. Personally I have no interest in HJs at all (nor a massage) so no idea how much one should pay for that. However many years ago 500 was considered standard tip for a HJ in a "rub'n tug" MP.

I do agree lady drinks are too expensive with some bars charging 200 or more. I don't want to buy many drinks any more, and prefer my regular bargirls to visit me away from the bar. e.g. Shark bar has no excitement for me, simply because I like to see girls naked or at least topless, and I think the lady drinks are 200 or more these days. Just a waste of money to be there, other than to BF the girl. I can contact all my regular bargirls (unless already disappeared).

Talent cannot be way down in Jakarta. Makes no sense. I was there recently and pleased to see the lower prevalence of surgeries girls. What you really mean, most likely and just my guess, is the value for money is way down, because the hottest girls are expensive. Yes relatively few of the girls were hugely appealing to me, but I have become very fussy. Once you have a large line up though, bound to be able to find some girl with good looks.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2263983]You are talking about something different. It is not as easy as you said and the reason is because they don't have to. Tell me a place where you can pay extra to get those services from a beautiful girl.[/QUOTE]Not sure in what way it is "something different".

Maybe if the girl does not see you as a repeat customer possibility, she is not going to give you great service so easily, however I had plenty of girls that were really great the very first time, especially relatively new girls (not yet hardened). One girl from Hungary seemed so horny and just like a GF (but better) that I was totally hooked. Ascension to heaven session. Unfortunately she maybe wasn't cut out for that job and left. My main places were Oase, Sharks, and World (other places in the further past). This year Carla and Adele (oase girls - very experienced girls) were still giving me great GFE service, as they know I will spend more than 50 (don't try to get the world for a pittance) and they are not wasting their time and efforts. Both are orgasmic girls (when they are in the mood) too. You may need to pick up some highly recommended girls, to improve your odds a lot, so helps if you know some customers that are there every week, and get some tips from them. World was a place with great girls years ago, but don't know recently.

Yes I know there are crap girls too, especially German girls (only 50% success rate with Germans). They have the whole spectrum, but plenty of girls never ever gave me a bad service. Repeat sessions are usually better than the first session of course, but still some fab girls the first time. Latinas are very reliable, such that even some very ugly ones get good business, where I only try the prettier ones.

[QUOTE=JakeBrown6661;2263795]Any action around Khao San Road? Thanks.[/QUOTE]There are cheap ladies of the night (street walkers) that hang around Sanam Luang I have heard. However if you want to P4 P, I really suggest that you should not be in that area. Too far from good action. You could take a taxi to Chao Praya 2 soapy or Sao Botan (S. Botan) but I haven't checked lately if any talent there. Perhaps IDA Soapy would be much higher class, but perhaps a bit further away.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2263987]Not sure in what way it is "something different".[/QUOTE]For a 50 years old man who mongers for the fist time, where do you think he can get DFK easier from the top girls, Bangkok or FKK? BTW, I am not saying FKK is better.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2263987]Maybe if the girl does not see you as a repeat customer possibility, she is not going to give you great service so easily
[/QUOTE]

You also said it right there.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2263967]It's been two years since I've been to Thailand but I love to read this and the Pattaya forum as it is always lively and takes me back. I do love the gogo and bar scene and hope to return soon.

I was just doing a recounting of various places I've been over the last few years (UK, Spain, Thailand, Germany, China, Japan, NZ, Brazil) and of these Thailand still is one of the most cost effective regardless of it "going downhill". And yes German FKK gets more expensive for kissing and BBBJ from highest optic girls, so the downward slope is not limited to Thailand.

If Thailand is getting on your nerves I strongly suggest Brazil. You can get everything from a top night club experience at $300 including a true 9 girl and drinks and a classy room onsite to a quick suck and fuck (BBBJ) with a hottie for $30. (Yep). The main draw if you have the coin To frequent Thai gogo, then will have true GFE in Brazil with someone even better looking. You will honestly believe that girl is into you not just a forced GFE. It is truly the best place on earth at the moment IMO.

P.S. I often find guys who like Asians like Latinas also, plus there are a ton of Latina / Asian mixes to be had. So Brazil often lines up on taste also.[/QUOTE]Totally agree, Brazil is on another level. GFE, PSE from an 8+ is easy to find. In thailand is is very hard to find on a consistent basis. On the whole Thai girls are a lot more conservative than latinas and euro girls.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2263997]For a 50 years old man who mongers for the fist time, where do you think he can get DFK easier from the top girls, Bangkok or FKK? BTW, I am not saying FKK is better.
[/QUOTE]That's a completely hypothetical question that cannot be answered. Really. There are girls in every country that will kiss you and girls who won't. Whether or not they are "top girls" (whatever that means) is not likely to be a factor. Though your low end girls like you will find in Santa Fe (Bogota) or ACE / Richmoore (Kuala Lumpur) often give you as little as they can get away with in the 15 minutes you paid for, expensive girls can do the same. Some girls won't let you get your lips near their face (Colombia) without ponying up a bit more cash. There are girls who will tolerate some brief French kissing in Thailand to be sure. Just don't push it unless you can see she is into it. The first German freelancer I hooked up with Berlin engaged in DFK for at least 10 minutes as part of the regular program for the hour I paid. Others will want a surcharge up front (as often specified on [URL]Kaufmich.com[/URL]) as mongering Germany can really get to a "cafeteria plan" that will add up. The next German freelancer gave me an excellent cat bath I will never forget, but didn't exchange tongues until she was riding me cowgirl, apparently realized my time was up, and decided giving me some deep tongue action would hasten me to blow my load (it worked, too). Another massage girl in Bangkok was giving me a BBBJ and then decided to give me DFK while she finished me off with her hand. A clever way to avoid a load of jizz in her mouth, I think.

My suggestion is that if DFK is so important to you, then forget mongering and get a real girlfriend. If that doesn't sound good to you, then just go and try mongering a bit in different places. Don't worry about the nuances. Every encounter with a new girl will be uncertain, and that's the exciting part. You might not get everything you thought you wanted, but might instead get something you never expected. Like an excellent cat bath you will never forget or a 10-minute long "Black Kiss". But, if you are trying to hash this details before you go anywhere, you will either go and be disappointed or never getting around to going at all. And forget about this GFE nonsense you see people posting about. Its just a myth. Mongering is really fun, so just take it for what it is. Don't expect to be anything like a real intimate relationship.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2263967] P.S. I often find guys who like Asians like Latinas also, plus there are a ton of Latina / Asian mixes to be had. So Brazil often lines up on taste also.[/QUOTE]Yep! Some of us like our women with a bit of color in them, and on the petite side. In addition, I'm tired of white girls. I started eyeing them when I was 12, now I'm 61. I find them unexciting, overfed and generally annoying. And yes, a trip to Brazil is in the cards for me.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2263997]For a 50 years old man who mongers for the fist time, where do you think he can get DFK easier from the top girls, Bangkok or FKK? BTW, I am not saying FKK is better.[/QUOTE]Every single FKK girl will DFK, BBBJ / CIM IF the price is right! That can't be said about every single Thai, Indo, Viet, and even Cambo girl. Romanians will do anything for cash. Top Romanian girls even go with guys who are 60+ and balding. However, with the new laws in Germany that came in to play a year and a half ago, few girls now offer DFK and BBBJ for a simple 50 euro session. They all want 100 euro now. CIM has always been 50 euro extra.

In my experience, DFK in Pattaya is quite standard for me. Spent nearly 2 hours with one of my favorite girls yesterday DFK, HJ, tons of lap dancing all for 2 lady drinks. I wasn't being cheap. I asked her several times if she wanted more drinks and she refused. Don't settle for less than DFK and lap dancing after buying a Thai girl a lady drink.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2263987]One girl from Hungary seemed so horny and just like a GF (but better) that I was totally hooked. Ascension to heaven session.[/QUOTE]

Hungarians are the best. Possibility because I can speak Hungarian. If Hungarian, Polish, Czech, and German girls still dominated FKK clubs I would be living in Germany now rather than Thailand. Even though the Romanians can be gorgeous and some can provide GFE most imo are robotic sex toys. A Hungarian vs. a Romie is like comparing sex with a Soi 6 girl vs. a soapie girl. One is a sex machine the other has her mechanical moves.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2263985]You did well to get a DFK for price of lady drink in King's Castle. [/QUOTE]

DFK is standard at KC1 and KC2 not only for me but for all the guys I take there. Admittedly KC1 mileage has reduced since the renovations. It was pure raunch there only a year ago. Then again, did see a Thai guy eating out a girl last month. I'm in Bangkok for the next week. Line me if you want to head out to Thermae or some gogo bars.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2263985]I do agree lady drinks are too expensive with some bars charging 200 or more. I don't want to buy many drinks any more, and prefer my regular bargirls to visit me away from the bar.[/QUOTE]

OK I thought it was just me who has almost stopped buying lady drinks for girls. Girls I used to buy 3 or 5 drinks for now get 0 or 2. Even had a Sapphire girl recently ask me if I lost my job because I am so cheap with her now! That made me laugh. Didn't bother explaining to her I stopped buying her drinks because I no longer get a HJ and DFK from her after buying her a drink.

Agree one of the biggest advantages of living in Thailand is you don't have to pay barfines. You can just wait to meet up with on their days off.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2263926]Hate to point out the elephant in the room (heard Thailand has those as well) but maybe as you've aged you don't have the same draw as you did when you were in your 40's? [/QUOTE]

Absolutely agree with this but so many guys on ISG still believe they can get top girls by just opening their wallets. If you're older and think it's all about money try walking around with some young pups like Phazze and MP and see if you attract more cat calls from the girls than they receive.

I've skipped Nana and Soi Cowboy my last 4 trips to BKK but I will try to visit them this trip since I haven't been to either since August. Can you gogo guys please list the top 3 gogo bars that I must see in Cowboy and Nana? My preference are girls under 25, cute face is a MUST, I can tolerate non-skinny if cuter than cute, no fat chicks, nice boobs are a bonus, no fakes, no baby damage, but just as important as their cute face I want girls who are fun. I have Asian taste in girls meaning eye and nose surgeries do not bother me. Bar does not necessarily need to be a topless bar. Thanks and will report back.

Also, if anyone has any recent reports on Patpong gogo bars that would be great. Was in Patpong 2 weeks ago and it was rather disappointing but it was early in the week.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2264026]I've skipped Nana and Soi Cowboy my last 4 trips to BKK but I will try to visit them this trip since I haven't been to either since August. Can you gogo guys please list the top 3 gogo bars that I must see in Cowboy and Nana? My preference are girls under 25, cute face is a MUST, I can tolerate non-skinny if cuter than cute, no fat chicks, nice boobs are a bonus, no fakes, no baby damage, but just as important as their cute face I want girls who are fun. I have Asian taste in girls meaning eye and nose surgeries do not bother me. Bar does not necessarily need to be a topless bar. Thanks and will report back.[/QUOTE]On Soi Cowboy I like Baccara, believe it or not. They have a ton of girls and the ground floor "A" set of dancers has some attractive cuties. My 3rd favorite NEW BKK Go Go girl of 2018 works in Baccara. Her and her 3 girlfriends are young, sexy cute little spinners. Sadly, the rest of the Go Go's on Cowboy just don't do it for me anymore. Crazy House I guess is still worth a look see, but it has gone downhill since it's glory days when it was easily the # 1 Go Go in BKK. They need to find fresh new talent and soon.

In Nana: I like RB4 mainly because that's where I found my favorite NEW BKK Go Go girl of 2018. I call her my Atomic Blonde because 1) when we 1st met she was platinum blonde having just arrived in BKK from Japan where she had been living for a year, 2) she is a tigress in bed, and 3) I had just seen that silly Charlize Theron movie of the same name the previous night. A few weeks after we met, Atomic went back to her natural hair color, but still looks pretty good to me, although not as striking. 555. She is in Phuket right now, but I am looking forward to seeing her again in BKK in the spring.

I also like good old' Twister (2nd floor). It may have gone downhill a little since 2017, but I think they still have some sexy girls there. Anyway, I found a couple there to my liking. And lastly, I like Billboard. Who doesn't?

Patpong you know. Kings Castle 1 & 2 - great Go Go's.

My recommendations above are based on my girly preferences for young girls, cute faces, sexy, no fat bodies with natural breasts, friendly personalities and the subsequent results I achieved with them. Of the bars I mentioned above, Twister, Billboard, and Kings Castle have the best in bar hanky panky in that order. Baccara ground floor is very reserved. I would be somewhat surprised if you DFK a girl in there, at least on the ground floor. More can happen on the 2nd and 3rd floor, so move upstairs once you have found what you are looking for or just take her out of the bar. Crazy House is still really good for in Bar fooling around. And perhaps this is a little off topic, but I want to mention it anyway, hahaha, my favorite fooling around bars in the world are #1 Bottoms Bar on Burgos in Makati and #2 Malio Club in Jakarta. Oh brother, the things I have done in those bars with 1, 2, even 3 girls at a time. It amazes me.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2264051] And perhaps this is a little off topic, but I want to mention it anyway, hahaha, my favorite fooling around bars in the world are #1 Bottoms Bar on Burgos in Makati and #2 Malio Club in Jakarta. Oh brother, the things I have done in those bars with 1, 2, even 3 girls at a time. It amazes me.[/QUOTE]Natty, that got a big smile out of me because your #1, Bottoms on Burgos St. In Makati, was my favorite fooling around in the bar back in the day, too. No bar in Thailand even came close then or now. Good to know it is still happening there.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2264051]
In Nana: I like RB4 mainly because that's where I found my favorite NEW BKK Go Go girl of 2018. I call her my Atomic Blonde because 1) when we 1st met she was platinum blonde having just arrived in BKK from Japan where she had been living for a year, 2) she is a tigress in bed, and 3) I had just seen that silly Charlize Theron movie of the same name the previous night. A few weeks after we met, Atomic went back to her natural hair color, but still looks pretty good to me, although not as striking. 555. She is in Phuket right now, but I am looking forward to seeing her again in BKK in the spring.

I also like good old' Twister (2nd floor). It may have gone downhill a little since 2017, but I think they still have some sexy girls there. Anyway, I found a couple there to my liking. And lastly, I like Billboard. Who doesn't?
[/QUOTE]BB,

I went to RB4 too, and his atomic blonde was the one I would have preferred too, by the length of the straight. Mainly due to her face (but body as well). Did not really find another equal to her. However girls seemed to improve a lot when they went topless. Seeing a nice natural set uncovered is a nice enhancement for me. Joke (that is actually a non enhancement).

Twisters has gone downhill. Billboard is easily the best in my view despite being rather dark in there. Nearly added a racist joke but better not, in case anyone easily offended. Generally can find multiple pretty slim models in there, even a few with surgeries.

Girls already seem to be complaining that Bangkok has become very quiet and business is well down. Not many customers in the shops.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2264463]Girls already seem to be complaining that Bangkok has become very quiet and business is well down. Not many customers in the shops.[/QUOTE]Do those illiterate bird brains understand that the customers might have to spend Christmas and New Year with their wives and children back home? You know, to maintain some semblance of normality?

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2264468]Do those illiterate bird brains understand that the customers might have to spend Christmas and New Year with their wives and children back home? You know, to maintain some semblance of normality?[/QUOTE]Nah, mostly they nothing about Christmas, and may hope that many guys have no wife and kids. Did we all know that Thais give presents on Christmas Eve? Nah, I know now, but in 1991 I got into a girl's bad books, because I had no idea. I even failed to get her a Happy New Year card (we must "Sor. Kor. Sor. "Song Khwaam Suk" or wish happiness on new years eve). Presents for Christmas did not count, since Thais don't know Christmas. Can you read all the books written in Thai language or are you "Illiterate"? Just kidding, however it is not nice to use such prejudicial language, just because some girls do not read books in English nor watch U.S. Tv shows and sitcoms. Christmas is not universal. Could be said we are poorly educated if we don't know that.

I know two girls from extremely poor backgrounds, both cannot speak or read English, one from mountains of Myanmar, and another from Laos. We can message each other however in Thai script, and speak to each other in Thai language, not first language of any of us. Their spelling may not be perfect (likewise mine) yet despite their very low education (not permitted by parents to do advanced study), they are not illiterate.

Many Thais know little about western stars. They have no reason to be interested. Like I comment to the Thai girl that I like the song in the gogo bar sung by Rihanna, but some girls have never heard of Rihanna (some other girls do like particular western singers), and would not understand the words of the song as well. Do we know all the latest big star Thai singers? No, probably not. I know a few from way back but pay no attention to the latest ones.

Thanks syzy and natty. Baccara rb4 twisters are my normal bars. I hardly ever see girls my type at billboard. Has it dramatically improved in the past 2 months? I was hoping someone might have some good insight on a bar that is not well reviewed and was hot this week.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2264463]Girls already seem to be complaining that Bangkok has become very quiet and business is well down. Not many customers in the shops.[/QUOTE]Interesting I just left terminal 21 and it was as busy as I've ever seen it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2264463]Girls already seem to be complaining that Bangkok has become very quiet and business is well down. Not many customers in the shops.[/QUOTE]I thought it's now tourist high season?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2264502]Thanks syzy and natty. Baccara rb4 twisters are my normal bars. I hardly ever see girls my type at billboard. Has it dramatically improved in the past 2 months? I was hoping someone might have some good insight on a bar that is not well reviewed and was hot this week.

Interesting I just left terminal 21 and it was as busy as I've ever seen it.[/QUOTE]Shark Bar. Has been getting a bit of buzz of late. That is coming from a Caucasian point of view. Baccara & RB4 aim more at the Asian clientele so Shark may not be to your taste but it is worth mentioning none the less.

Live update from Thermae. Jam packed. Tons of girls at least 150 possibly hitting 200 girls. No where to walk. Lots of guys too but they're all confused on which hottie to take. Lots of them here tonight! Girls grabbing me left and right they are desperate tonight! Love it! Screw gogo bars. Get your butt to Thermae!

I invited one of my 'retired' regulars to work at Thermae tonight. Busty thin blonde girl. Very cute. Guys are trying to pick her up left and right. Been fun watching her rejecting everyone. Maybe she's putting on a show for me.

One decent looking girl kept hitting on me. She asked where my hotel was. I said Bang Na since that's very far away. She was still willing to come with me. Need to make my hotel even further away next time.

Walked through 7/1 twice earlier tonight. Wood Bar had one that was ok. May head back for her another night. Too many ladyboys on that soi. Walked up and down some of the massage sois late this afternoon. Not much. Best I saw was on 11/1 but when I went back she was gone or maybe just busy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2264612]Live update from Thermae. Jam packed. Tons of girls at least 150 possibly hitting 200 girls. No where to walk. Lots of guys too but they're all confused on which hottie to take. Lots of them here tonight! Girls grabbing me left and right they are desperate tonight! Love it! Screw gogo bars. Get your butt to Thermae![/QUOTE]. Guess I'll go there first shortly. Interesting, a man taking a phone just to update the global punters "live". I'll be watching for a guy playing with his phone :D

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2264612]Live update from Thermae. Jam packed. Tons of girls at least 150 possibly hitting 200 girls. No where to walk. Lots of guys too but they're all confused on which hottie to take. Lots of them here tonight! Girls grabbing me left and right they are desperate tonight! Love it! Screw gogo bars. Get your butt to Thermae!

I invited one of my 'retired' regulars to work at Thermae tonight. Busty thin blonde girl. Very cute. Guys are trying to pick her up left and right. Been fun watching her rejecting everyone. Maybe she's putting on a show for me.

Walked through 7/1 twice earlier tonight. Wood Bar had one that was ok. May head back for her another night. Too many ladyboys on that soi. Walked up and down some of the massage sois late this afternoon. Not much. Best I saw was on 11/1 but when I went back she was gone or maybe just busy.[/QUOTE]The reason is obvious. Most of these girls are part timers and they need money to take home for New Years.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2264617]The reason is obvious. Most of these girls are part timers and they need money to take home for New Years.[/QUOTE]Mr. Bkkdog, can you PM me? I would like your counsel privately on several matters. Thanks in advance.

Greetings my follow mongers,

I am contemplating Thailand as my next stop.

In reading this, it appear that the bars require a few drinks, a "penalty" for taking the girls out, and to pay the girl. So 200 tb for drinks, 100 tb for penalty, and 2000-3000 tb for the girl. At least 4000-5000 tb all in all. About $150 USD. Plus you need to have a hotel.

Wow. No bargain that I expected, but then my expectations might be unreal.

Does Thailand not have the equivalent of the "fishbowl houses" like in Singapore, or the "Fuji" house like Hong Kong?

I prefer to go to the girls incall. Can someone enlighten me?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2264612]
I invited one of my 'retired' regulars to work at Thermae tonight. Busty thin blonde girl. Very cute. Guys are trying to pick her up left and right. Been fun watching her rejecting everyone. [/QUOTE]Guys are hitting on your girl while she is there with you?

[QUOTE=Catire;2264628]Mr. Bkkdog, can you PM me? I would like your counsel privately on several matters. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Done! Check your PM.

Hi,

Anyone come across short hair girls at any of the MPs.

Please do help, PM if possible.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2264612]Live update from Thermae. Jam packed. Tons of girls at least 150 possibly hitting 200 girls. No where to walk. Lots of guys too but they're all confused on which hottie to take. Lots of them here tonight! Girls grabbing me left and right they are desperate tonight! Love it! Screw gogo bars. Get your butt to Thermae.[/QUOTE]Banana Boi's report was spot on. The place was indeed packed. Throngs of Japanese and especially Koreans. In groups. And somewhat loud (koreans much more so than japanese, that's one way of telling them apart, if you cannot recognize the languages) . But yes indeed lots of girls.

"lots of hotties". Hmm. I dunno. Some? I'll be honest Thermae hasn; t worked for me in a long time. Especially since it turned "Asian" and became a lineup without much interaction from the girls.

I was somewhat tempted by one girl who grabbed me. But upon conversation and closer interaction I realize she's a bit older and not quite my type. Also had that look of a "regular freelancer" if you know what I mean (I could be dead on wrong, just speculation on my end). She quoted 2500 baht short time. I ultimately demurred.

Was going to go home alone but on the way out. Spied one I had not particularly noticed inside. For whatever reason I decided she was "the one". Had a really fresh, no makeup face and the perfect "girl next door" look and I figured if I'm here for a real freelancer. Let's get one who looks like a real occasional freelancer.

Luckily, she stood off to the side outside so I saw her. Approached her. And started a short conversation. She quoted me 3000 short and 6000 long. A bit standoffish at the beginning. But her English was fairly good and I found her biting sarcasm, etc very appealing. In short order it was back to my room (she left her car parked by Thermae. I was surprised, but she told me many girls drive their cars to Thermae) She's a travel agent and comes to Thermae on occasion to make money. She says it's "easy money" . When I gave her the 3, 3 and 3 Joke. She laughed. And said it was basically true (had not heard that one before).

Took my time back in the room, was a complete gentleman, which made her relaxed. (she said most customers, especially Asians (sorry guys if you're Asian, don't kill the messenger) were kind of obnoxious and rude (she pointed out Koreans, Japanese not so much. Which fits in with my observations being familiar with Korea / Koreans, they'll get that way when drunk and in a group, which I guess makes them the same as most Englishmen LOL).

but those cultures, similar to the Mexican, for e.g. and other Latin cultures.. suffer from the "Mary/*****" (ho') complex... where a prostitute is not respected as a woman, she's merely an orifice.

Anyways, she was 35. looked 30. She gave me one of the best BBBJ's ever (top 2 in Thailand, and I've had a few) (originally she wanted to blow me with a condom, I had to break down that barrier with some on the spot testing). I'll take the freelancer milf every time, if I wanted a fresh faced girl, I wouldn't go Thermae for that (though there are the sporadic ones), I'd go get a bar girl.

And after giving the shaft and my balls a fantastic workout. Basically took off her panties and impaled herself on me in mish.

2 orgasms later on her part and one on my part, we were done. Complete GFE (which few of her customers, if any, get because they are "rude", and not "polite") Plus, maybe, just maybe she finally dug me a little after I made her to feel relaxed.

So. Overall a huge huge success. First one in Thermae in a long long time. Probably my best EVER Thermae experience. She got her 3 K and then some. Because it was my first night and I enjoyed her so much. She will be back in my bed again as I got her line (however, because she actually a has a real job with actual responsibilities, it cannot be "on calll", it will have to be prearranged before hand).

Anyways. Gentlemen. THAT is why we still go to Thailand even though short time is now almost 100 USD and the picking seem so much worse than a decade ago, much less 20 years ago.

P.S. I was going to hit Thermae anyways, but thanks for making the decision final Bananaboi.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2264657]Done! Check your PM.[/QUOTE]Are you sure? .

Because there is nothing from you in my Inbox?

[QUOTE=Daebis;2264732]Hi,

Anyone come across short hair girls at any of the MPs.

Please do help, PM if possible.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Had a session with one at Chrome Bar on Soi 7/1 off Sukhumvit a few weeks back. Can't recall her name. Not very curvy. Solid trim body. Good Nuru. Took direction well.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2264612]Live update from Thermae. Jam packed. Tons of girls at least 150 possibly hitting 200 girls. No where to walk. Lots of guys too but they're all confused on which hottie to take. Lots of them here tonight! Girls grabbing me left and right they are desperate tonight! Love it! Screw gogo bars. Get your butt to Thermae!
Walked through 7/1 twice earlier tonight. Wood Bar had one that was ok. May head back for her another night. Too many ladyboys on that soi. Walked up and down some of the massage sois late this afternoon. Not much. Best I saw was on 11/1 but when I went back she was gone or maybe just busy.[/QUOTE]I have been to Thermae and can say with complete certainty that you cannot fit that many girls in there. Its a small bar. You enthusiasm for the place is out of place with the reality of the place. The girls there have a reputation for being aloof and I found that to be true. No girls grabbing anybody. Unless that is a different Thermae that is not under the Hotel Ruamchitt Plaza. If you are worried about ladyboys, then stay away from Thermae as the entrance to Ruamchitt Plaza is nearly blocked by a horde of them late in the evening.

[QUOTE=Catire;2264742] She's a travel agent and comes to Thermae on occasion to make money[/QUOTE]I am read reports on someone similar, travel agent with a car in Chinese forum a few years ago.

[QUOTE=Ebauche;2264750]Had a session with one at Chrome Bar on Soi 7/1 off Sukhumvit a few weeks back. Can't recall her name. Not very curvy. Solid trim body. Good Nuru. Took direction well.[/QUOTE]Funny requirement, short hair. Pheung (ex Annies No. 14) should be working at either Chrome bar or Wood bar, not sure which. Slim but very curvy and good tits (natural) like Halle Berry, except a bit short. A Tom boy but likes dick okay Too, so bi-sexual. A very good GFE session for me.

Pheung means "Honey Bee"

[QUOTE=Catire;2264742]
Was going to go home alone but on the way out. Spied one I had not particularly noticed inside. For whatever reason I decided she was "the one". Had a really fresh, no makeup face and the perfect "girl next door" look and I figured if I'm here for a real freelancer. Let's get one who looks like a real occasional freelancer.
[/QUOTE]Catire, excellent realistic report. I agree that the part timers can often have a better attitude if you appeal to them. In old days it was most part timers needing some pocket money, and I enjoyed that more.

[QUOTE=Catire;2264742]Banana Boi's report was spot on. The place was indeed packed. Throngs of Japanese and especially Koreans. In groups. And somewhat loud (koreans much more so than japanese, that's one way of telling them apart, if you cannot recognize the languages) . But yes indeed lots of girls.

"lots of hotties". Hmm. I dunno. Some? I'll be honest Thermae hasn; t worked for me in a long time. Especially since it turned "Asian" and became a lineup without much interaction from the girls.

I was somewhat tempted by one girl who grabbed me. But upon conversation and closer interaction I realize she's a bit older and not quite my type. Also had that look of a "regular freelancer" if you know what I mean (I could be dead on wrong, just speculation on my end). She quoted 2500 baht short time. I ultimately demurred.

Was going to go home alone but on the way out. Spied one I had not particularly noticed inside. For whatever reason I decided she was "the one". Had a really fresh, no makeup face and the perfect "girl next door" look and I figured if I'm here for a real freelancer. Let's get one who looks like a real occasional freelancer.

Luckily, she stood off to the side outside so I saw her. Approached her. And started a short conversation. She quoted me 3000 short and 6000 long. A bit standoffish at the beginning. But her English was fairly good and I found her biting sarcasm, etc very appealing. In short order it was back to my room (she left her car parked by Thermae. I was surprised, but she told me many girls drive their cars to Thermae) She's a travel agent and comes to Thermae on occasion to make money. She says it's "easy money" . When I gave her the 3, 3 and 3 Joke. She laughed. And said it was basically true (had not heard that one before).

Took my time back in the room, was a complete gentleman, which made her relaxed. (she said most customers, especially Asians (sorry guys if you're Asian, don't kill the messenger) were kind of obnoxious and rude (she pointed out Koreans, Japanese not so much. Which fits in with my observations being familiar with Korea / Koreans, they'll get that way when drunk and in a group, which I guess makes them the same as most Englishmen LOL).

but those cultures, similar to the Mexican, for e.g. and other Latin cultures.. suffer from the "Mary/*****" (ho') complex... where a prostitute is not respected as a woman, she's merely an orifice.

Anyways, she was 35. looked 30. She gave me one of the best BBBJ's ever (top 2 in Thailand, and I've had a few) (originally she wanted to blow me with a condom, I had to break down that barrier with some on the spot testing). I'll take the freelancer milf every time, if I wanted a fresh faced girl, I wouldn't go Thermae for that (though there are the sporadic ones), I'd go get a bar girl.

And after giving the shaft and my balls a fantastic workout. Basically took off her panties and impaled herself on me in mish.

2 orgasms later on her part and one on my part, we were done. Complete GFE (which few of her customers, if any, get because they are "rude", and not "polite") Plus, maybe, just maybe she finally dug me a little after I made her to feel relaxed.

So. Overall a huge huge success. First one in Thermae in a long long time. Probably my best EVER Thermae experience. She got her 3 K and then some. Because it was my first night and I enjoyed her so much. She will be back in my bed again as I got her line (however, because she actually a has a real job with actual responsibilities, it cannot be "on calll", it will have to be prearranged before hand).

Anyways. Gentlemen. THAT is why we still go to Thailand even though short time is now almost 100 USD and the picking seem so much worse than a decade ago, much less 20 years ago.

P.S. I was going to hit Thermae anyways, but thanks for making the decision final Bananaboi.[/QUOTE]Great report. Sorry to be ignorant but can you elaborate on on the spot testing? What can you do in short order to make her comfy? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Catire;2264742]-snip-

2 orgasms later on her part and one on my part, we were done. Complete GFE (which few of her customers, if any, get because they are "rude", and not "polite") Plus, maybe, just maybe she finally dug me a little after I made her to feel relaxed.

So. Overall a huge huge success. First one in Thermae in a long long time. Probably my best EVER Thermae experience. She got her 3 K and then some. Because it was my first night and I enjoyed her so much. She will be back in my bed again as I got her line (however, because she actually a has a real job with actual responsibilities, it cannot be "on calll", it will have to be prearranged before hand).

[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, Catire. But my annoyingly inquiring mind would like to ask a question, if you please. Little by little it seems the terms "True GFE" or "Real GFE" vs mere "GFE" have acquired a more specific meaning to some of us here at ISG. That being more specifically a euphemism for BBFS+CIP (and sometimes possibly BBBJ+CIM/Swallow, I suppose, but not usually). And those euphemisms have come in handy particularly when the poster has in some way identified the girl by name or photo. It has become a way for us to apply a more objective definition to the term "GFE" rather than a totally subjective definition regarding behavior like that she smiled throughout, was sweet to you, kissed you a lot, hugged you with seemingly real meaning and so on.

So now we see you using the term "Complete GFE" in this case. Since you did not identify the lady by name or photo, are you saying she delivered the same thing many of us are now referring to with the terms "True GFE" or "Real GFE"?

[QUOTE=Catire;2264742]Banana Boi's report was spot on. The place was indeed packed. Throngs of Japanese and especially Koreans. In groups. And somewhat loud (koreans much more so than japanese, that's one way of telling them apart, if you cannot recognize the languages) . But yes indeed lots of girls.

"lots of hotties". Hmm. I dunno. Some? I'll be honest Thermae hasn; t worked for me in a long time. Especially since it turned "Asian" and became a lineup without much interaction from the girls.

I was somewhat tempted by one girl who grabbed me. But upon conversation and closer interaction I realize she's a bit older and not quite my type. Also had that look of a "regular freelancer" if you know what I mean (I could be dead on wrong, just speculation on my end). She quoted 2500 baht short time. I ultimately demurred.

Was going to go home alone but on the way out. Spied one I had not particularly noticed inside. For whatever reason I decided she was "the one". Had a really fresh, no makeup face and the perfect "girl next door" look and I figured if I'm here for a real freelancer. Let's get one who looks like a real occasional freelancer.

Luckily, she stood off to the side outside so I saw her. Approached her. And started a short conversation. She quoted me 3000 short and 6000 long. A bit standoffish at the beginning. But her English was fairly good and I found her biting sarcasm, etc very appealing. In short order it was back to my room (she left her car parked by Thermae. I was surprised, but she told me many girls drive their cars to Thermae) She's a travel agent and comes to Thermae on occasion to make money. She says it's "easy money" . When I gave her the 3, 3 and 3 Joke. She laughed. And said it was basically true (had not heard that one before).

Took my time back in the room, was a complete gentleman, which made her relaxed. (she said most customers, especially Asians (sorry guys if you're Asian, don't kill the messenger) were kind of obnoxious and rude (she pointed out Koreans, Japanese not so much. Which fits in with my observations being familiar with Korea / Koreans, they'll get that way when drunk and in a group, which I guess makes them the same as most Englishmen LOL).

but those cultures, similar to the Mexican, for e.g. and other Latin cultures.. suffer from the "Mary/*****" (ho') complex... where a prostitute is not respected as a woman, she's merely an orifice.

Anyways, she was 35. looked 30. She gave me one of the best BBBJ's ever (top 2 in Thailand, and I've had a few) (originally she wanted to blow me with a condom, I had to break down that barrier with some on the spot testing). I'll take the freelancer milf every time, if I wanted a fresh faced girl, I wouldn't go Thermae for that (though there are the sporadic ones), I'd go get a bar girl.

And after giving the shaft and my balls a fantastic workout. Basically took off her panties and impaled herself on me in mish.

2 orgasms later on her part and one on my part, we were done. Complete GFE (which few of her customers, if any, get because they are "rude", and not "polite") Plus, maybe, just maybe she finally dug me a little after I made her to feel relaxed.

So. Overall a huge huge success. First one in Thermae in a long long time. Probably my best EVER Thermae experience. She got her 3 K and then some. Because it was my first night and I enjoyed her so much. She will be back in my bed again as I got her line (however, because she actually a has a real job with actual responsibilities, it cannot be "on calll", it will have to be prearranged before hand).

Anyways. Gentlemen. THAT is why we still go to Thailand even though short time is now almost 100 USD and the picking seem so much worse than a decade ago, much less 20 years ago.

P.S. I was going to hit Thermae anyways, but thanks for making the decision final Bananaboi.[/QUOTE]It' s fun to read your post, I got a feeling that I was standing next to all the way along.

Hey guys. Just a reminder to not fall for these scams in Thai Friendly. Never transfer money in part or all before you meet the girl no matter how hot she is. The attached photos, profile and offer she sent me are attached for you.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2264612]One decent looking girl kept hitting on me. She asked where my hotel was. I said Bang Na since that's very far away. She was still willing to come with me. Need to make my hotel even further away next time.[/QUOTE]Nice try BB but then she will say: I know ST hotel LOL.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2264894]Hey guys. Just a reminder to not fall for these scams in Thai Friendly. Never transfer money in part or all before you meet the girl no matter how hot she is. The attached photos, profile and offer she sent me are attached for you.[/QUOTE]I'm interested in your thoughts on why you consider paying a girl 100% upfront via smooci is ok but 20% upfront to a freelancer unacceptable. Aren't they both facing the both risks (unknown John's, locations etc). They are both charging 5 k ST so it's not as if one is adding in a larger risk premium.

I'll admit I'm not aware of smooci's claims process (on both sides) should something go wrong or how much of a cut the girl must give them.

For the record, I have never paid a freelancer a prepayment outside of my hotel room.

Cheers, G.

Gentlemen,

To answer your questions.

What I did to make her more comfortable was we both took an Oraquik test. (and she noticed my wristband, I'm picking up my hospital results today from Bumgugrad, to save on test kits for myself).

She mentioned that she blew off a Korean who asked for BBBJ inside and offered to pay more. Had she mentioned this immediately outside of Thermae, I may have cut her loose right there and then, but fate was on my side. (several things happened that would have made me cut her loose, for e. G. 3000st for freelancer at Thermae I think is immediate overcharge, as 2500 seems to be going rate. But I liked something about this girl, and said fuck it, we'll see what happens, if I lose 100 bucks for nothing, I'll allow it to happen this time).

I let her look her up the kit in Thai. So she was sure it was legit. And I was otherwise, just gentle and non pressuring. I didn't act like a "customer". (sometimes this bites one in the ass, but I'll often err this way more than others, because payoff is better).

Even after I got my terrific BBBJ, she muttered something about putting on a condom, but that's when I murmured "even though we took the test"??

(what was weird, is that she didn't put herself through my usual BFE, where I kiss and lick the girls (that I like, which are the ones I choose LOL) all over to get them hot, bothered and horny).

For a moment I thought I was getting "professionally played", but after she got on top of me and I grabbed her ass a bit, I could tell she was kind of hot and bothered already. Next thing you know she's slipping of her panties and then slyly asked me "can I put it in" I was like "yes, please".

Next thing you know I'm in balls deep, she's moaning and we're off to the races. I think she was clearly inherently horny that night and the pieces just so aligned that she decided to take this vehicle to satisfy her own horniness. If you saw the view I saw of her in mish, you would know she wasn't faking it. Even the best actresses cannot come up with such a look, and the little sounds, etc. (the ones who try to fake it tend to be obvious fakers, to my ears at least). She was wet without much foreplay and she was quite tight.

Re GFE well I define that as being treated in bed like a lover. Not a client. And there's a difference. I was treated more like a "client" in that she was doing all of the work early on without much foreplay, which made me suspicious, but once the fucking started, she did little great things, like exquisitely suck on my nipples, (she was amazing) . I had to really control and pace myself to make sure I didn't explode much earlier than I wanted. It was difficult given how good she was and felt. I COULD have CIP, but I promised her beforehand that I would pull out (no need to further complicate matters) and when I did, she grabbed it with her hand and it was one of the best wet handjobs just as I was finishing. Milked every drop out. CIM was not discusssed. (can't really combine CIP and CIM can you? Seems contradictory. there was DFK, well maybe not so deep, so let's say FK. That helped set the mood as I kissed her tenderly and made her more comfortable.

(Yes I will admit that this CAN be part of a "client" experience, especially in a place like Brazil), but it's fairly rare and you'd always be wearing a rubber)

Sorry, will not provide a pic. I would only do that with the girl's willing permission and I strongly doubt she'd want it, so I won't even ask. It seems like she has no problem finding customers when she needs to.
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(she told me some more interesting tales of her "monger interactions".

In a final nice finishing touch, I noticed later (could not in beginning since she was doing the work) that she was not bald down there, but had a normal thickety patch of hair (perhaps trimmed somewhat).

Which is another mark of "I'm not a professional hooker" (at least still so in certain countries).

p.s. other comments.. Don't know how many girls there were counting wise, but place was full of them. 100? 80? whatever the number is. YES. I agree that they tend to be "standoffish", probably catering to current Asian customer tastes?? Seemed more interactive back in the day? (the girls weren't as "lined up"?) I've always had a big issue with this.. btw. I did not get grabbed other than that one time, which described..did get one big come hither smile from another but wasn't interested. The Asian customers seemed to get a lot more attention, for e.g. with inviting smiles..and an occassional slight arm grab.
I found this amusing - that's when you saw me standing there and smiling. but it didn't bother me. Whatever.

two funny customer anecdotes. An Indian came up to my girl and she quoted him the 3000 ST. He countered with 1500. I laughed and told her that's what Indians do.. they are innate bargainers.. it's cultural. She told me she told the guy that she will go with him for 1500 but since he's paying half price he can only put it halfway inside and she'll constantly watch to make sure no more than half was in. Apparently the Indian guy had a sense of humor and chuckled at this. (she enjoys being somewhat "evil" with customers, which is why I liked her so much hahaha)

what really annoyed her was several Koreans came up to her asked whether they would be "the first" that night. (this to me, is actually a fair question, but it should be couched in tender terms). Her reply to them was to come at 8 pm or so and then they could be sure that they were the "first" LOL

another interesting thing was she said she cannot "say no to a customer", so if she's trying to not have a guy, she will simply hike prices. Told me a vignetted where she upped her price to 7000 baht thinking that would scare the guy away, but he accepted. And she had to go with him. (I immediately told her this would happen if she didn't hike prices in a BIG way) LOL

I do agree it's tough to establish a rapport with a Thermae girl given the atmosphere and the way it works these days. But one has to kind of try. That was my lesson.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2264920]I'm interested in your thoughts on why you consider paying a girl 100% upfront via smooci is ok but 20% upfront to a freelancer unacceptable. Aren't they both facing the both risks (unknown John's, locations etc). They are both charging 5 k ST so it's not as if one is adding in a larger risk premium.

I'll admit I'm not aware of smooci's claims process (on both sides) should something go wrong or how much of a cut the girl must give them.

For the record, I have never paid a freelancer a prepayment outside of my hotel room.

Cheers, G.[/QUOTE]The answer is so obvious don't you think? If I transfer a deposit to a lady who I don't know before she comes to my room, what do you think will happen? She won't show up! IF she finds 3 suckers each day, that's 3000 per day. LOL common sense! You can't compare that to smooci. With smooci, the girl comes to your room and I know I will get fucked. With freelancers or escorts you meet on smooci or in the bar or online, the reason we don't like to pay upfront is because after payment, the service might be terrible and promises are not kept. You might even get a runner who agreed to LT but goes after the first pop. Think of it like this. You are in a bar, would you bar fine the girl, give her all the money and then trust her to meet you the next day for the session? No of course not. Would you talk with a lady on line in Thai Friendly before your holiday and send her a prepayment before you arrive in Thailand? Of course not! You can't compare prepaying a smooci girl or any freelancer in your room with transferring money to a stranger on line before she comes to meet you. Are you sure you understood my post? This is all common sense.

As for smooci, I always put the money on the table and the girls have no reason to believe I won't pay. I have never had any smooci girl grab the money until after the session. And what if you paid the smooci girl in your room and then she just left, you could call smooci and they would help you. These two scenarios are not even remotely good comaparisons.

Never transfer money to these girls online before they come to your room. Common sense. I fail to see the logic in your question. Sorry.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2264771]I am read reports on someone similar, travel agent with a car in Chinese forum a few years ago.[/QUOTE]Not this one. Most of her customers are japanese actually, with some koreans.

[QUOTE=Catire;2264943]Not this one. Most of her customers are japanese actually, with some koreans.[/QUOTE]I was wondering if that is something they made up.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2264774]Catire, excellent realistic report. I agree that the part timers can often have a better attitude if you appeal to them. In old days it was most part timers needing some pocket money, and I enjoyed that more.[/QUOTE]They are still part timers. (well some more than others).

And they still need the money (now, perhaps more than just "pocket".

So the the central aspects haven't really changed. Though the overall dynamics have changed.

There are a lot more punters. A lot more younger punters and prices have risen (for everything).

So one has to work and or get lucky, far more so than in the "old days" - and frankly, that's been the way of the world in the mongering world for several decades.

From the bests of bests (e. G. Russia and Cuba in 1990's. And Brazil and Thailand) to the declining state today everywhere.

I just hope I don't die before it all disappears or becomes unaffordable altogether. We have to adapt. Or we die.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2264778]Great report. Sorry to be ignorant but can you elaborate on on the spot testing? What can you do in short order to make her comfy? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I will refer you to BKKdog's "guidelines" on this matter. (raw) I completely agree with them.

I have found that asking ahead of time for possible BBFS from Tinder girls (pros on Tinder) CL girls etc will automatically get you the "no anal / wear condom" disclaimer.

And hey. I completely understand. If I were a girl in similar position I don't know what if anything would get me to relax off the condom stance. After all it's her life we are talking about here, potentially.

So I never pressure. I always say I understand. Because I do. However, as my experience shows and as Bkkdog points out, a bareback experience can materialize anyways.

On the other hand, I can tell you that the last 5 times I inquired about BBFS in a go-go, I got 3 quick yes nods. (one from coyote girl) (fyi, I did party a little with these girls, bought them drinks etc) another which I never inquired with, she was new. I got her so hot and bothered. She muttered condom just as I entered and completely forgot about it afterwards. The fifth shot me down.

p.s. I was just talking with a Thai girl I know who;'s now in Phuket. She "admitted" to me (not that I cared) that she was with a man last month. She also admitted to me that it felt "good" (although this was with rubber).. Bottom line? people are horny. Even freelancers, even hookers. Just treat them with respect.

I never ask up front about bareback. I strongly feel that any type of negotiation or mention of it detracts from the spontaneity of the act and the vibe I am trying to establish with the girl. I know I am going to get laid. I never know how good it will be covered or uncovered until we start it up. So A) I just assume a BBBJ is the default. And I deduct points (tip) if a girl does not perform it. B) As to BBFS; I am content to wait and see and to let it come as a surprise. No pun intended. And sometimes I am the one who wants protection. 555. So, I usually hold off on the decision until I see, touch, taste, and smell the girl and her privates close up nude in bed. And when I am up for it, I leave it up to the girl even though I feel there is no comparison between bareback sex and covered sex. The former being so much better. I just really like it when the girl let's it happen and nothing was said about it beforehand or afterwards. And unlike Eihtooms, whom I respect as a fellow punter, covered sex is not a deal breaker for me. I would estimate I bareback 25% to 30% of my new girls (Thai, Indonesian, Filipina, Vietnamese, Khmer, Chinese combined) and the percentage rises as time goes by if we continue to see each other.

[QUOTE=Catire;2265090] I did party a little with these girls, bought them drinks etc) another which I never inquired with, she was new. I got her so hot and bothered. She muttered condom just as I entered and completely forgot about it afterwards. [/QUOTE] Yeah, this is my approach more or less. And DATY works even better than Tequila. 555!

I must add, however, that sometimes a girl will initially ask about a condom before we even get going. I show her a Sagami 0.02 lying on the nightstand next to the bed and then we start it up. I can't tell you guys how many times the girls will forget all about the condom after cunnilingus. But not always and if a girl wants covered sex, I give it to her covered - no complaints.

[QUOTE=Catire;2264921]
What I did to make her more comfortable was we both took an Oraquik test. (and she noticed my wristband, I'm picking up my hospital results today from Bumgugrad, to save on test kits for myself).
[/QUOTE]I suggest you try the Red Cross in Ratcha Damri (I think) near corner with Sarasin. NW corner of Suan Lum park, (across the road). You get HIV result after 1 hour and should be a lot cheaper. They do a follow up test (more accurate amplification test which takes days), however they won't contact you unless that comes up positive (extremely unlikely after initial quick blood test).

I get several different types of blood tests, to check non STD things too.

Bamrungrad is expensive (I assume) like most hospitals catering to tourists.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2264894]Hey guys. Just a reminder to not fall for these scams in Thai Friendly. Never transfer money in part or all before you meet the girl no matter how hot she is. The attached photos, profile and offer she sent me are attached for you.[/QUOTE]Fan Fin Fin website even warns readers in a banner not to send / transfer any money to girls (or whoever might be scamming), under any circumstances.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2265109]I never ask up front about bareback. I strongly feel that any type of negotiation or mention of it detracts from the spontaneity of the act and the vibe I am trying to establish with the girl. I know I am going to get laid. I never know how good it will be covered or uncovered until we start it up. So A) I just assume a BBBJ is the default. And I deduct points (tip) if a girl does not perform it. B) As to BBFS; I am content to wait and see and to let it come as a surprise. No pun intended. And sometimes I am the one who wants protection. 555. So, I usually hold off on the decision until I see, touch, taste, and smell the girl and her privates close up nude in bed. And when I am up for it, I leave it up to the girl even though I feel there is no comparison between bareback sex and covered sex. The former being so much better. I just really like it when the girl let's it happen and nothing was said about it beforehand or afterwards. And unlike Eihtooms, whom I respect as a fellow punter, covered sex is not a deal breaker for me. I would estimate I bareback 25% to 30% of my new girls (Thai, Indonesian, Filipina, Vietnamese, Khmer, Chinese combined) and the percentage rises as time goes by if we continue to see each other.

Yeah, this is my approach more or less. And DATY works even better than Tequila. 555!

I must add, however, that sometimes a girl will initially ask about a condom before we even get going. I show her a Sagami 0.02 lying on the nightstand next to the bed and then we start it up. I can't tell you guys how many times the girls will forget all about the condom after cunnilingus. But not always and if a girl wants covered sex, I give it to her covered - no complaints.[/QUOTE]You and I operate the same way. If you talk too many details with the girls, it ruins the mood. I have actually had a girl tell me in the bar that there was no way in hell she will fuck a customer without a condom. I never even brought up the topic. We would then have a great time partying and drinking together, I would decide to bar fine her and in the room, no mention of condom or even how much money she wanted for ST or LT. We just went with the flow. I understand this may not work for everyone, guys like Tooms May not chance it either but for me, I always get the best results when I do it like this.

Maybe heading here tonight to teach some of the Thais girls in the Thai scene about Christmas. I've PMed a few members or sent line to come. You know who you are.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2265109]I never ask up front about bareback. I strongly feel that any type of negotiation or mention of it detracts from the spontaneity of the act and the vibe I am trying to establish with the girl. I know I am going to get laid. I never know how good it will be covered or uncovered until we start it up.
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And unlike Eihtooms, whom I respect as a fellow punter, covered sex is not a deal breaker for me. I would estimate I bareback 25% to 30% of my new girls (Thai, Indonesian, Filipina, Vietnamese, Khmer, Chinese combined) and the percentage rises as time goes by if we continue to see each other.
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[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2265312]You and I operate the same way. If you talk too many details with the girls, it ruins the mood. I have actually had a girl tell me in the bar that there was no way in hell she will fuck a customer without a condom. I never even brought up the topic. We would then have a great time partying and drinking together, I would decide to bar fine her and in the room, no mention of condom or even how much money she wanted for ST or LT. We just went with the flow. I understand this may not work for everyone, guys like Tooms May not chance it either but for me, I always get the best results when I do it like this.[/QUOTE]Yes, I envy guys for whom "Fucking without a condom is great, but fucking with one is still pretty good". It would be so much easier to go with the flow under those conditions. Many times I will not ask if bareback is ok with the girl in advance or talk about condoms at all; if I am so smitten by the girl that winding up with only me DATY or her attempting a likely woefully inadequate BBBJ to something far, far less than a CIM finish is an ok risk to take with the possibility of more in a second meeting, if any. And it might be that the girl is a non pro I've met on a dating site so there is no money at stake anyway or if the girl is only costing me 1,000-2,000 baht all in and it feels worth the risk in that way too. That is not so much money, roll the dice and see what happens if the girl is at least doable in the first place.

Unfortunately, I am one of those "Fucking without a condom is great, but fucking with a condom won't happen" guys. Consequently, if we're talking about an investment of real time and money, say a night of bar hopping and lady drink buying with the intention of paying a barfine and a going rate fee to a decent go-go dancer, and if my success rate in ultimately engaging in penile-vaginal intercourse that night by merely "going with the flow" and not clearing it up in advance was anything like 25%-30% (or let's even increase that to a more impressive 50%), then over the long haul that would be a colossal waste of my time and money over and over again, night after night. LOL. Can't do that.

Besides, there is still plenty of mood development and sexual spontaneity to be enjoyed AFTER the question of bareback or not has been settled early in the meeting. Will she or won't she be any good at BBBJ, will I or won't I be able to make her cum and how many times with DATY, will our time together be so fun and good I will definitely want to see her again and so on. Oh, many important things that are not even remotely settled by asking in advance if she will go bareback with me or not.

Moreover, I can't think of many more truly godawful lingering mood killers than when the girl's eyes enlarge and she spontaneously screams, "CONDOM! CONDOM! CONDOM!" and tries to wiggle away and run across the room as I am about to enter her vagina on the false assumption that since we had a great evening of laughs and chemistry, cuddling and kissing, romance and spoken and unspoken dreams of seeing each other every week for the next year and have not discussed condoms yet, that she is in any way ok with me fucking her without a condom right here and right now. LOL. Yep, that has happened often enough to me that I am just fine with getting that issue out of the way ASAP.

And one more thing; it also helps if it really doesn't matter to you, will in no way ruin your hour much less your evening, if she says "no" to the question early in the game. At worst, that only means you can and will get another girl later that night if you want. But if she says "yes", then she has just enhanced my mood immeasurably from that moment forward.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2265312]................... I have actually had a girl tell me in the bar that there was no way in hell she will fuck a customer without a condom. I never even brought up the topic. We would then have a great time partying and drinking together, I would decide to bar fine her and in the room, no mention of condom ...................[/QUOTE]For me condom use is a no brainer. Too many incurable STDs going around. For guys who already have an untreatable STD I suppose they think its ok to have bareback sex.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2265363]For me condom use is a no brainer. Too many incurable STDs going around. For guys who already have an untreatable STD I suppose they think its ok to have bareback sex.[/QUOTE]I am not really looking for bareback FS. But condoms are truly terrible for me — that is why BBBJ is the main event for me. That said, I would love to improve the FS part.

Is there a thin Japanese condom that has some girth? I've tried the US ones like Skyn large, but didn't see much improvement. And whenever I've browsed Japanese like Sagami they are less than 2" at the base (ouch). Can anyone recommend a thin one in a large size (length doesn't matter). And of course able to order in discrete packaging.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2265348]Yes, I envy guys for whom "Fucking without a condom is great, but fucking with one is still pretty good". It would be so much easier to go with the flow under those conditions. Many times I will not ask if bareback is ok with the girl in advance or talk about condoms at all; if I am so smitten by the girl that winding up with only me DATY or her attempting a likely woefully inadequate BBBJ to something far, far less than a CIM finish is an ok risk to take with the possibility of more in a second meeting, if any. And it might be that the girl is a non pro I've met on a dating site so there is no money at stake anyway or if the girl is only costing me 1,000-2,000 baht all in and it feels worth the risk in that way too. That is not so much money, roll the dice and see what happens if the girl is at least doable in the first place.

Unfortunately, I am one of those "Fucking without a condom is great, but fucking with a condom won't happen" guys. Consequently, if we're talking about an investment of real time and money, say a night of bar hopping and lady drink buying with the intention of paying a barfine and a going rate fee to a decent go-go dancer, and if my success rate in ultimately engaging in penile-vaginal intercourse that night by merely "going with the flow" and not clearing it up in advance was anything like 25%-30% (or let's even increase that to a more impressive 50%), then over the long haul that would be a colossal waste of my time and money over and over again, night after night. LOL. Can't do that.

Besides, there is still plenty of mood development and sexual spontaneity to be enjoyed AFTER the question of bareback or not has been settled early in the meeting. Will she or won't she be any good at BBBJ, will I or won't I be able to make her cum and how many times with DATY, will our time together be so fun and good I will definitely want to see her again and so on. Oh, many important things that are not even remotely settled by asking in advance if she will go bareback with me or not.

Moreover, I can't think of many more truly godawful lingering mood killers than when the girl's eyes enlarge and she spontaneously screams, "CONDOM! CONDOM! CONDOM!" and tries to wiggle away and run across the room as I am about to enter her vagina on the false assumption that since we had a great evening of laughs and chemistry, cuddling and kissing, romance and spoken and unspoken dreams of seeing each other every week for the next year and have not discussed condoms yet, that she is in any way ok with me fucking her without a condom right here and right now. LOL. Yep, that has happened often enough to me that I am just fine with getting that issue out of the way ASAP.

And one more thing; it also helps if it really doesn't matter to you, will in no way ruin your hour much less your evening, if she says "no" to the question early in the game. At worst, that only means you can and will get another girl later that night if you want. But if she says "yes", then she has just enhanced my mood immeasurably from that moment forward.[/QUOTE]The only thing I will say is after you left I took mine home and there was no mention of any condom when we were together and money. I took her home, we had a great session and I gave her 2,500 and she was on her way.

Can anyone explain this site? I change to English but it is still very confusing to understand what they are saying. Do these ladies come to your hotel, or must you arrive at their area? Or go to their room? It you have tried please help.

Thank You.

RL.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2265503]The only thing I will say is after you left I took mine home and there was no mention of any condom when we were together and money. I took her home, we had a great session and I gave her 2,500 and she was on her way.[/QUOTE]But mine was a perfect example of Mr. Toom's warning!

And she wouldn't take the Oraquik, which made me really leery. I sent her on her way.

Thanks for being such a great host. Bkkdog and showing me a place I have never seen / experienced before.

However, I think without being able to communicate, I don't think I can go back there again (though I may try, for the hell of it. Will bring google translator with me LOL).

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2265405]I am not really looking for bareback FS. But condoms are truly terrible for me that is why BBBJ is the main event for me. That said, I would love to improve the FS part.

Is there a thin Japanese condom that has some girth? I've tried the US ones like Skyn large, but didn't see much improvement. And whenever I've browsed Japanese like Sagami they are less than 2" at the base (ouch). Can anyone recommend a thin one in a large size (length doesn't matter). And of course able to order in discrete packaging.

Thanks![/QUOTE]I use Trojan Bareskins with no problem but am cautious with them since they are quite fragile at the base. For me tightness at the base is not a problem; it keeps the condom secure and stable and prevents it from sliding up. I am not small and find the Trojan BSs not tight at the base.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2265528]I use Trojan Bareskins with no problem but am cautious with them since they are quite fragile at the base. For me tightness at the base is not a problem; it keeps the condom secure and stable and prevents it from sliding up. I am not small and find the Trojan BSs not tight at the base.[/QUOTE]At (point) 046 mm's they are three times the thickness of the condoms I prefer (when a girl requests a condom). The problem is all the false advertising trying to make you think the condoms that you are buying are in fact 'the world's thinnest'. Take the trojan supra bareskin's claimed thickness here: [URL]https://www.undercovercondoms.com/Condoms/Trojan/398/Trojan-SUPRA-Lubricated-Condoms.html[/URL] States that they are. 0016 mm's thick. That is just way too good to be true. Then this website claims they are. 0015 inch's thick [URL]https://www.omgcondoms.com/products/buy-trojan-supra-bareskin-polyurethane-non-latex-condoms.[/URL] Looks like the first website quoted MM's when they should have stated inches. Now point 040 seems to be about right. I tried this condom and compared to my favorite they are way too thick. Condoms I use are (point) 015 thick and one time I wanted to do a gogo girl bareback while she was sleeping and knew she's feel for the condom so tried to rip a hole in the top of one to no avail, had to use some nail clippers to do it. Shows just how strong they are. Unfortunately they aren't sold in stores, can only be found on ebay and they aren't cheap. I've told many people about them including FL Hawk. But without a rubber band at the base almost any girl who isn't Asian won't let you use them.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2265503]The only thing I will say is after you left I took mine home and there was no mention of any condom when we were together and money. I took her home, we had a great session and I gave her 2,500 and she was on her way.[/QUOTE]Ah, that's wonderful! But shouldn't it also be mentioned at least in passing that you've known that girl for about a year and have been with her many times already? I'll pop in there again soon, take that same girl for the first time and see if she gives me bareback, no mention of condoms and no mention of money, too. Hehe.

Seriously though, thanks for inviting me to join you and being such a gracious host. I hadn't been in those Saphan Khwai bars for about 4 years and in those days I knew virtually zero Thai language. I am still just barely basic conversationally fluent in it. But there were girls there who could speak English fine. Well, one for sure. One of my two lap dancers was a bit annoyed that I spoke Thai with her since she wanted to practice speaking English I suppose.

The vibe felt very much by the numbers in there. With regard to me, that is. As I mentioned to you later, if the two lap dancers who did their basic duty for 100 baht each had been holding their phones in one hand to check, read and reply to text messages during their 1-2 minute grind, I would not have noticed a difference.

That said, I think there might be some possibilities in there for my needs, if not probabilities. The girl who sat next to me the longest was cute but exhibited many of the warning signs I always wish I had heeded afterwards. So I did not bother to discuss anything about me potentially taking her or anything of a sexual nature. I did take her Line info when she offered it. She volunteered the information about the All Inclusive Pay Upfront (asking if not getting) rate being 2,500 baht including a ST hotel room, if I understood her correctly.

I left the bar without taking a girl about 11PM and had a midnight meeting and all nighter at my apartment with a very sweet dating site girl I'd been with once before. Money offered this morning but only taxi fare accepted.

Has anyone tried Yaya on Smooci? I looked through the forum and I see references to what I believe is another Yaya from years ago. This Yaya is 40 years old, Thai, huge tits and offers Greek.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2265541]At (point) 046 mm's they are three times the thickness of the condoms I prefer (when a girl requests a condom). The problem is all the false advertising trying to make you think the condoms that you are buying are in fact 'the world's thinnest'. Take the trojan supra bareskin's claimed thickness here: [URL]https://www.undercovercondoms.com/Condoms/Trojan/398/Trojan-SUPRA-Lubricated-Condoms.html[/URL] States that they are. 0016 mm's thick. That is just way too good to be true. Then this website claims they are. 0015 inch's thick [URL]https://www.omgcondoms.com/products/buy-trojan-supra-bareskin-polyurethane-non-latex-condoms.[/URL] Looks like the first website quoted MM's when they should have stated inches. Now point 040 seems to be about right. I tried this condom and compared to my favorite they are way too thick. Condoms I use are (point) 015 thick and one time I wanted to do a gogo girl bareback while she was sleeping and knew she's feel for the condom so tried to rip a hole in the top of one to no avail, had to use some nail clippers to do it. Shows just how strong they are. Unfortunately they aren't sold in stores, can only be found on ebay and they aren't cheap. I've told many people about them including FL Hawk. But without a rubber band at the base almost any girl who isn't Asian won't let you use them.[/QUOTE]What brand of condom do you use?

[QUOTE=MentalMijit;2265587]Has anyone tried Yaya on Smooci? I looked through the forum and I see references to what I believe is another Yaya from years ago. This Yaya is 40 years old, Thai, huge tits and offers Greek.[/QUOTE]Be warn, some girls don't even know what certain sexual terms refer to, they just select some options. Best bet is to contact the agency directly and ask, just don't ask about the WG images, agency will lie. Another option is to get a 3 day Smooci membership, I tend not to get a membership, because I don't care enough what the membership provides.

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2265717]What brand of condom do you use?[/QUOTE]What are the best (thinnest) or polyurethane rubbers you can get in BKK pharmacies?

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2265717]What brand of condom do you use?[/QUOTE]You'll laugh when you see the video (the first video) in the link below (that gives the name of the condom. Ignore the commentary and focus on the condom and Breadman telling you these are for guys who are looking for a large enough Jap style condom that easily fits onto pretty much any larger size dick. They are super easy to put on but do need to be pulled back down from time to time during sex. For those who dabble in bareback this won't bother them, for those looking for complete protection quit reading now. These are fantastic if you have any issues of getting soft (few too many drinks) trying to put on a super thin Jap condom. I did manage to use one on an escort in Montreal once and a few in the FKK clubs of Germany but they asked to change condoms when they started to ride up into the girls pussy. Thai girls on the other hand are fine with the explanation of 'Japanese condom' as you put it on in one quick motion. Once its on and inserted into the girl the condom 'shrink wraps' itself like heat sealing to your dick to hold itself onto your shaft. The problem with it moving seems to be from the girl giving you a BJ and getting your dick moist with her spit. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pasante[/URL]+unique+condoms.

Again, watch the videos and look at how thin these condoms are. I've never been able to find the ones that seem to have a tight base, I've only found the red package that has a flared base.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT-10_resin

[QUOTE=Breadman;2265738]You'll laugh when you see the video (the first video) in the link below (that gives the name of the condom. Ignore the commentary and focus on the condom a
Again, watch the videos and look at how thin these condoms are. I've never been able to find the ones that seem to have a tight base, I've only found the red package that has a flared base.
[/QUOTE]All very interesting information. I am going to do some more research and look to grab some samples. Thank you for your response.

[QUOTE=Catire;2265725]What are the best (thinnest) or polyurethane rubbers you can get in BKK pharmacies?[/QUOTE]I usually just grab Durex from the local pharmacy which are not great. I never find a huge range at any pharmacy that fit.

So I have done a bit of research and purchased half a dozen brands online, most are from Japan, for my next trip in a couple of weeks. On my first night I intend to see a regular and test all of them on her a few minutes at a time. She is a great sport and will think it is pretty funny.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2265541] That is just way too good to be true. Then this website claims they are. 0015 inch's thick m.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Silly stuff. Do we have the scientific equipment to measure? I have no clue what is the true thickness, how much it varies, etc.

Why go by thickness claims. Open some. Compare. Try it. I have tried Sagami Polyurethane and did not enjoy them at all. Wrinkly not smooth. I prefer the stretchiness of Latex and smooth surface. I used to use Durex Comfort (54 to 56) because easy to get on, bulb shaped head, and comfortable.

Now I use Okamoto 003 available at 7 Eleven stores (when I need to), due to thin feel. Less diameter (made for Japanese market) means difficult to get on without putting fingers inside the condom to stretch them, so although much tighter fit than the durex, and not really covering the full length, I still prefer them. Probably can't go back to thicker (seemingly) Durex any more. If girl insists to use her condoms, I cancel. Might have almost no pussy feel. Mind you I don't try new girls that often any more. Still probably cancelled only once this year (with Farang girl), mostly girl eventually agreed to my condoms once she checked them out. I am a trustworthy type.

Just try different ones to see what suits you. Guys who tend to cum too quick will need thick condoms to deaden the feel. Maybe even two condoms. Guys difficult to cum like me need thin condoms or natural.

I prefer lubes from OS not available in Thailand, usually from Europe. Both Durex and KY seem too sticky and don't last that long. Has anyone found a good lube in Thailand, than seems to last and not get too sticky? For me a girl's natural lube only lasts a limited time, and latex is abrasive if not properly lubed. I am never quick enough to rely on natural lube alone, even with GF.

Combination of Okamoto and a very good lube, occasionally was so snug, I was almost thinking the condom came off, feeling too good, however in reality, having no condom is always better. If a girl can use her pussy muscles along the full length of the dick, the feel can be so exquisite.

I am afraid the feel of an asshole sphincter can't match a good pussy, for me, or I have not experienced a highly memorable asshole. The ass feel is too concentrated on one spot, IMHO. Maybe what I need is a subtle feel, where others want a high power squeeze.

We all know pussies vary tremendously, so important to find the pussies that suit to the feel you want. I have pussy variation in my regulars. Some are a little too tight/small, and some a little too loose, but near enough. It is fortunate that pussies stretch to accommodate. Condoms too (if latex).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2265928] Snip. Just try different ones to see what suits you. Guys who tend to cum too quick will need thick condoms to deaden the feel. Maybe even two condoms. Guys difficult to cum like me need thin condoms or natural.Anip[/QUOTE]Two condoms is probably not a good idea.

[URL]https://www.verywellhealth.com/double-bagging-condoms-using-two-condoms-906780[/URL]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2265928]Ha ha. Silly stuff. Do we have the scientific equipment to measure? I have no clue what is the true thickness, how much it varies, etc.

Why go by thickness claims. Open some. Compare. Try it. I have tried Sagami Polyurethane and did not enjoy them at all. Wrinkly not smooth. I prefer the stretchiness of Latex and smooth surface. I used to use Durex Comfort (54 to 56) because easy to get on, bulb shaped head, and comfortable.

.[/QUOTE]Exactly. We are all spending thousands here on women so what's an extra $10. If the Japanese condoms fit you there's no need to bother with these. On the other hand if you've found there's no way those condoms would ever go on then these are the ones to try. Again, these are not perfect by a long shot but they are worth a try. I've used them on many many Thai girls without one questioning them, they'll pick up the odd credit card sized package and say "condom?" to which I reply "Japanese" followed by "go doggy" and to a T they've all just turned around and bent over.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2265316]Maybe heading here tonight to teach some of the Thais girls in the Thai scene about Christmas. I've PMed a few members or sent line to come. You know who you are.[/QUOTE]Can you please suggest some bars? I have been to T-Ded 99 and had a good experience.

[QUOTE=Piedipie;2265997]Can you please suggest some bars? I have been to T-Ded 99 and had a good experience.[/QUOTE]The only other one worth going to now is the one next to there but on the side street.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2265972]Exactly. We are all spending thousands here on women so what's an extra $10. If the Japanese condoms fit you there's no need to bother with these. On the other hand if you've found there's no way those condoms would ever go on then these are the ones to try. Again, these are not perfect by a long shot but they are worth a try. I've used them on many many Thai girls without one questioning them, they'll pick up the odd credit card sized package and say "condom?" to which I reply "Japanese" followed by "go doggy" and to a T they've all just turned around and bent over.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Catire;2265725]What are the best (thinnest) or polyurethane rubbers you can get in BKK pharmacies?[/QUOTE]If I'm ever stuck using a condom, I always go for this 40 Baht brand. Closest thing to BB I have experienced while using a condom.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2266063]If I'm ever stuck using a condom, I always go for this 40 Baht brand. Closest thing to BB I have experienced while using a condom.[/QUOTE]I never thought I was hung like a horse until I tried to get one of those Okos onto my cock.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2266048]Today I was surfing TF for a house call and found this real cutie. 23 years old. . I managed to snap a a few photos while taking a break from doggy and before she left and will also include some stock photos from her TF and Line. .[/QUOTE]I am in no way knocking down her looks, she is a cutie. But it is amazing to see the "professional photo's" vs your cell phone photo's. It is amazing what the photo apps on cell phones can do in these girls hands. These girls have lots of free time on their hands, I've been with a girl who spent an hour on her phone transforming the photo into a modeling headshot. I've also been in a stripclub watching the fattest ugliest dancer with the heaviest caked on makeup ever, one where when she got onstage I wondered when it would collapse take, make a video on her phone that I saw later that night when she showed it to the girl next to me and I have to say: I would have fucked the girl in that video if she really existed.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2266097]But it is amazing to see the "professional photo's" vs your cell phone photo's. It is amazing what the photo apps on cell phones can do in these girls hands. These girls have lots of free time on their hands.[/QUOTE]It's not only apps, she probably took an hour to put her make up in all the other pics also.

Some of them wouldn't put a foot outside of their room if they didn't spend an hour putting all their cream and powder on their face and body.

By the way it's a nice couple of pics of her ass.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2266053]So my message to my fellow mongers is to stick with what works for you and don't talk too much with these girls about details if that makes sense. This meathod just works for me 80% +

One of the best BBFS CIP sessions I have had in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Oh, no doubt about it I miss out on the girls who change their mind at crunch time on those occasions when I must get a clear "Yes" to bareback beforehand or no deal. But for those of us for whom "Bareback is great, but sex with a condom will not happen", if that girl had stuck to her guns and still refused to go bareback, it would have been a total waste of the time I spent to get her in my room, the money I would feel it is fair to pay her for coming over and the blah mood and less than pleasant feeling I would have had in my gut though all of it wondering why I booked a girl who had specifically told me we were not going to have sex at all (which is where a comitment from her to provide a BBBJ+CIM, if agreed upon, comes in handy).

Your way, exactly as you described it in your detailed previous report, is perfect for guys for whom, "Bareback is great, but sex with a condom is still pretty good." If I were such a guy, which I have never been in my life, I can't see any reason to discuss anything beforehand other than possibly price with the best looking P4P girls on the planet. Hell, I would NEVER talk about condom or no condom beforehand. What on Earth for? (actually, see below at least one very good possible reason to do that. Lol) It would be "Go With The Flow And See What Happens" all the time and every time.

But since I am among the former group and not the latter group, it is just not worth the risk and anxiety to remain somewhat in combat and defense mode from the point of booking until the point of entering bareback or accepting that 20%+ of the time I will endure the most godawful buzz kill to bring everything to a screetching halt. LOL. That is simply not worth it to me when it really isn't all that difficult and far more comfortable to do it my way and get it settled ahead of time with another girl.

Btw, Bkkdog, how do you know the reason this particular girl decided to go bareback with you at crunch time wasn't precisely BECAUSE you had expressed your desire for it from the beginning and not despite it? Seems to me if you want more of these "best BBFS+CIP sessions in Thailand" with girls like that you should not change one step in how you got there, key among them perhaps being my way of asking for it beforehand, no? After all, that is the only new step you added to your normal procedure to get to the one of your "best" ever bareback sessions.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2266063]If I'm ever stuck using a condom, I always go for this 40 Baht brand. Closest thing to BB I have experienced while using a condom.[/QUOTE]Tried it tonight. My shaft felt like it was encased in rubber (which I think isn't the idea).

Maybe a lubricated one would have been better. And the girl put in on (maybe not quite right).

Anyways- I call it massive fail. As was my entire night.

Got lured into buying a bunch of drinks by an Isaan vixen in the go go right next to Rainbow. (stepped in accidentally) and was only guy in there (which is perfect).

She had an amazing body. Young. I was quite taken. Even tried giving her the BFE. DATY the works.

Several minutes into the fucking (as I'm encased in rubber) she asks me if I finish.

Ok honey. We're done thank you. You can leave now.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2266063]If I'm ever stuck using a condom, I always go for this 40 Baht brand. Closest thing to BB I have experienced while using a condom.[/QUOTE]Tried it tonight. My shaft felt like it was encased in rubber (which I think isn't the idea).

Maybe a lubricated one would have been better. And the girl put in on (maybe not quite right).

Anyways- I call it massive fail. As was my entire night.

Got lured into buying a bunch of drinks by an Isaan vixen in the go go right next to Rainbow. (stepped in accidentally) and was only guy in there (which is perfect).

She had an amazing body. Young. I was quite taken. Even tried giving her the BFE. DATY the works.

Several minutes into the fucking (as I'm encased in rubber) she asks me if I finish.

Ok honey. We're done thank you. You can leave now.

Bummer. My batting average with Nana bargirls was decent up till now (but usually always from Mandarin).

[QUOTE=Breadman;2266097]I am in no way knocking down her looks, she is a cutie. But it is amazing to see the "professional photo's" vs your cell phone photo's. It is amazing what the photo apps on cell phones can do in these girls hands. These girls have lots of free time on their hands, I've been with a girl who spent an hour on her phone transforming the photo into a modeling headshot. I've also been in a stripclub watching the fattest ugliest dancer with the heaviest caked on makeup ever, one where when she got onstage I wondered when it would collapse take, make a video on her phone that I saw later that night when she showed it to the girl next to me and I have to say: I would have fucked the girl in that video if she really existed.[/QUOTE]I actually PREFER the real life / phone photos!

[QUOTE=Catire;2266209]Tried it tonight. My shaft felt like it was encased in rubber (which I think isn't the idea).

Maybe a lubricated one would have been better. And the girl put in on (maybe not quite right).

Anyways- I call it massive fail. As was my entire night.

-snip-[/QUOTE]I have tried those condoms too, as well as some brand and style (can't remember it now) that was touted by many on these threads as being the thinnest and most sensitive of all time. They are not for sale in Thailand so I ordered them online. It might come as a surprise to some that, at the ripe old age of 65, I still occasionally test the latest, greatest development in modern condom technology just to see if any one of them really does live up to its miraculous claims. None have in the 46 years I have been fucking women. LOL. It is more or less like trying to pick up a dime on a marble floor wearing oversize and extra thick work gloves. I have not picked up a dime yet.

Anyway, since I have had a vasectomy and always have a recent normal/negative blood check document in my possession, IF I were one of those lucky "Bare back is great, but fucking with a condom is still pretty good" guys, I suppose I would now add to my booking/dating procedure the step Bkkdog recently added to his procedure that, imo, was key to his enjoying one of the best bareback sessions he has ever had in Thailand. Namely (and the portions in parenthesis is from me to clear up what I snipped and what the spell-check here kind of screwed up):

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2266048]Today I was surfing TF for a house call and found this real cutie. 23 years old. I wanted to test a theory that Tooms always practices to see if it worked for me. On TF, I offered my price to this little cute and expressly mentioned I wanted the experience to be the same as we were BF and GF but she insisted on a condom. I politely declined. After searching for another few hours, I decided to take a chance. I contacted her back and lowered my offer and agreed to the condom thinking she would decline. Surprisingly, she accepted and 30 minutes later she was in my room.
-snip-
After another 20 minutes of this (DATY) and 2 exploding orgasms by her, she begged me to fuck her. I started to reach for the condoms she made me buy but she pulled me back towards her and just guided me right in be. Be (bareback).
[/QUOTE]I realize Bkkdog seems to have come to a different conclusion. But I can't help but think his making it known to the girl at the start of their chat that he was interested in going bareback, that he was so into that kind of service that he was willing to walk away for hours and would only reconsider if he paid her less than he originally offered was a key factor in her deciding at crunch time to wave off covered sex and launch into one of the "best" bareback sessions he has ever had in Thailand. I mean, she knew from the beginning that going bareback was important to him, that he was comfortable about engaging in it with her and that there was presumably more money on the table IF she delivered it at crunch time. IMO, that is a very good mindset for her and any other P4P girl to be in for guys who want bareback. So after she met him and felt comfortable with him, enjoying his DATY, deciding to go bareback was a much easier decision for her to make precisely because he had made it known how important it was to him from the very beginning and that there was likely more money in it for her if she did.

Again, the procedure of asking for bareback early, well before booking her, walking away when it was refused and then coming back with a lower baht offer for my agreeing to wear a condom would be a fine addition to my procedure IF I was the kind of guy who would still be able to go ahead with some semblance of penile-vaginal intercourse if she had stood her ground and insisted on a condom right up to and all during the session. But since I am not that kind of guy as of this writing with any miracle modern technology condom I have ever tried, I think I'll need to stick with my usual procedure of hitting the girls up for it beforehand, thanking the girls who say "no" for their time and moving on to the next one who will say "yes" to me.

[QUOTE=Catire;2266209]Tried it tonight. My shaft felt like it was encased in rubber (which I think isn't the idea).

Maybe a lubricated one would have been better. And the girl put in on (maybe not quite right).

Anyways- I call it massive fail. As was my entire night.

Got lured into buying a bunch of drinks by an Isaan vixen in the go go right next to Rainbow. (stepped in accidentally) and was only guy in there (which is perfect).

She had an amazing body. Young. I was quite taken. Even tried giving her the BFE. DATY the works.

Several minutes into the fucking (as I'm encased in rubber) she asks me if I finish.

Ok honey. We're done thank you. You can leave now.

Bummer. My batting average with Nana bargirls was decent up till now (but usually always from Mandarin).[/QUOTE]When I saw the 03 posted I was surprised. 03 is pretty much a standard thickness condom (maybe a bit thinner). I guess I will order some 01 and 02 okamoto large and just give it a go and see. Thanks for the info.

Since I am one of those "lucky "bareback is great, but fucking with a condom is still pretty good" kind of guys, this is what I recommend: #1 the Sagami 0. 02 Large (polyurethane) & #2 the Lelo Hex (latex). And I never leave home without them.

Now I wish Sagami offered their 0.01 line in the Large size. that would be my preference, but since I only see their 0.02 line available in the Large size, that is what I buy. Note: I am quite average and yet the regular size Sagami is too tight for me.

Lelo, the fancy and elegant vibrator people, make a very unusual Latex condom. Due to its hexagonal contruction it's condom is very thin and yet very strong. This condom will not break while in use. But it still is a Latex condom which means that the pussy body heat transfer is not as good as it is with the polyurethane product. So if you must wear a raincoat because the girl insists, or a situation arises where you just want to be on the safe side; take your pick. These are both very good condoms - the Sagami 0.02 Large (black print) & the Lelo Hex.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2266261]Since I am one of those "lucky "bareback is great, but fucking with a condom is still pretty good" kind of guys, this is what I recommend and I never leave home without them: the Sagami 0. 02 Large (polyurethane) & the Lelo Hex (latex).

-snip-[/QUOTE]Curse you, Natty Bumpo! And you, too, Bkkdog!! And, while I'm at it, curse the rest of you lucky punters who are in that group! LOL.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2266261]Since I am one of those "lucky "bareback is great, but fucking with a condom is still pretty good" kind of guys, this is what I recommend: #1 the Sagami 0. 02 Large (polyurethane) & #2 the Lelo Hex (latex). And I never leave home without them.

Now I wish Sagami offered their 0.01 line in the Large size. that would be my preference, but since I only see their 0.02 line available in the Large size, that is what I buy. Note: I am quite average and yet the regular size Sagami is too tight for me.

Lelo, the fancy and elegant vibrator people, make a very unusual Latex condom. Due to its hexagonal contruction it's condom is very thin and yet very strong. This condom will not break while in use. But it still is a Latex condom which means that the pussy body heat transfer is not as good as it is with the polyurethane product. So if you must wear a raincoat because the girl insists, or a situation arises where you just want to be on the safe side; take your pick. These are both very good condoms - the Sagami 0.02 Large (black print) & the Lelo Hex.[/QUOTE]I already have about 6 well researched samples and have just added some Sagami 0. 02 Large size for my next trip in 2 weeks. Thanks for the advice NB.

While on a Japanese condom site I noticed that Okamoto, which is apparently Sagami's main competition in the premium condom market has a "001 0. 01 mm Zero One Large Size Condom". I grabbed some of them too. They aren't cheap though, only come in 3 packs and cost about US $12 (Yes US $4 per condom) compared to just less than US $2 for the Sagami's.

All up I have 8 samples (1 to 2 dozen of each) to try and am in for about $200 in condoms.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2266048]Today I was surfing TF for a house call and found this real cutie. 23 years old. I wanted to test a theory that Tooms always practices to see if it worked for me. On TF, I offered my price to this little cute and expressly mentioned I wanted the experience to be the same as we were BF and GF but she insisted on a condom. I politely declined. After searching for another few hours, I decided to take a chance. I contacted her back and lowered my offer and agreed to the condom thinking she would decline. Surprisingly, she accepted and 30 minutes later she was in my room.[/QUOTE]She's gorgeous. Hope to find her or someone like her when I am in Thailand next may. Love milky tits.

My post was met to be a report with small reference to condoms but now it's getting out of hand. Please kindly move this condom discussion to the safe sex thread and I will post my report later today after my next session. If we keep this up, the reports will just get buried. Now I'm beginning to understand why some members don't RTFF. Thanks everyone in advance for understanding.

Hi all, I talk a walk past Grace Hotel the other night, out of curiosity more than anything else. What I saw was appalling. But only be expected I guess. So I quickly retreated to Soi 4 Nana side and saw some cuties at the Nana car park. Many asked 1500 upfront but quickly settle for 1000. I took one my first day here, Nam, and it was OK. 30 something but nice body. But last night I was feeling kind of shagged out after two punts at All Stars and SW so I settled for a quickie at Kasalong. Always a good experience an tonite was no different. I like the setup a lot, much nicer than the OTHER place around the corner.

Hope you are all enjoying.

As I said, my age si beginning to get to me and I just cannot keep doing it around the clock like in the old days.

I plan on going to Crazy House tonite just to watch, There are always a few hotties.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2266048]Today I was surfing TF for a house call and found this real cutie. 23 years old. I wanted to test a theory that Tooms always practices to see if it worked for me. On TF, I offered my price to this little cute and expressly mentioned I wanted the experience to be the same as we were BF and GF but she insisted on a condom. I politely declined. After searching for another few hours, I decided to take a chance. I contacted her back and lowered my offer and agreed to the condom thinking she would decline. Surprisingly, she accepted and 30 minutes later she was in my room. Here's where it gets a little wacked. After a brief massage, she undressed to reveal some very firm tities and a C section scar. Firm belly, firm ass and no severe baby damage, just the scar. Then she said she had a baby 4 months old. Her tits were rock hard as she was still lactating. OMG. Do I cheer for joy or call it off. She asked me if I wanted a taste and I declined knowing fair well that some other punters would have dove right in and been in complete and utter heaven. Instead, I chose to dive into her sweet tasting pussy. She got so into it that when I stopped she begged me to continue. After another 20 minutes of this and 2 exploding orgasms by her, she begged me to fuck her. I started to reach for the condoms she made me buy but she pulled me back towards her and just guided me right in be. Be. The next hour was full of pure GFE action. Lots of DFK, moaning, squealing and teerak teerak and teerak and ceow ceow ceow. I managed to snap a a few photos while taking a break from doggy and before she left and will also include some stock photos from her TF and Line. Finally, I unloaded a huge load deep inside her pussy and collapsed. ? After the session, I paid her the original fee we discussed, taxi money, and an extra 200 for the morning after pill. She left after giving me a big hug and a long DFK. Incidentally, during the session her tits were leaking milk, a first for me as I don't have any children. A bit of a clean up now but well worth it.[/QUOTE]FYI the hardness you felt is silicon. Known her for years, before she became a hardened pro and learned to do the squealing act. Shacked up with her in Jomtien for a week when she was FOB from Surin; no money changed hands. She was happy with meals and a bikini or two. She was indeed adorable back then, before she had surgery on her nose, breasts, and tours of duty in Moscow and Bahrain. She's fallen on desperate times; sad but common story.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2266295]My post was met to be a report with small reference to condoms but now it's getting out of hand. Please kindly move this condom discussion to the safe sex thread and I will post my report later today after my next session. If we keep this up, the reports will just get buried. Now I'm beginning to understand why some members don't RTFF. Thanks everyone in advance for understanding.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree. The thread topic is 'Reports'. Whenever anyone mentions the word 'condom' or 'viagra' an entire discussion of a topic we've repeatedly seen takes place with no added Reports on which bars are hot and which bars are not or where to find a new hot gem.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2266261]Since I am one of those "lucky "bareback is great, but fucking with a condom is still pretty good" kind of guys, this is what I recommend: #1 the Sagami 0. 02 Large (polyurethane) & #2 the Lelo Hex (latex). And I never leave home without them.

Now I wish Sagami offered their 0.01 line in the Large size. that would be my preference, but since I only see their 0.02 line available in the Large size, that is what I buy. Note: I am quite average and yet the regular size Sagami is too tight for me.

Lelo, the fancy and elegant vibrator people, make a very unusual Latex condom. Due to its hexagonal contruction it's condom is very thin and yet very strong. This condom will not break while in use. But it still is a Latex condom which means that the pussy body heat transfer is not as good as it is with the polyurethane product. So if you must wear a raincoat because the girl insists, or a situation arises where you just want to be on the safe side; take your pick. These are both very good condoms - the Sagami 0.02 Large (black print) & the Lelo Hex.[/QUOTE]This is the most interesting topic I have seen on here in a while. I'll have to check those out. I normally use the Trojan NaturalLamb condoms. Have you tried those? Is so, how do they compare?

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;2266309] I quickly retreated to Soi 4 Nana side and saw some cuties at the Nana car park. Many asked 1500 upfront but quickly settle for 1000. I took one my first day here, Nam, and it was OK. 30 something but nice body. [/QUOTE]This wouldn't happen to be the Nam you took would it? Personally, I have only met one girl in Bangkok named Nam in the last 20 years and it was this chick. I met her in that Nana area a while ago. She has a great body, but I don't think she's over 30 years old.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2266261]Since I am one of those "lucky "bareback is great, but fucking with a condom is still pretty good" kind of guys, this is what I recommend: #1 the Sagami 0. 02 Large (polyurethane) & #2 the Lelo Hex (latex). And I never leave home without them.

Now I wish Sagami offered their 0.01 line in the Large size. that would be my preference, but since I only see their 0.02 line available in the Large size, that is what I buy. Note: I am quite average and yet the regular size Sagami is too tight for me.

Lelo, the fancy and elegant vibrator people, make a very unusual Latex condom. Due to its hexagonal contruction it's condom is very thin and yet very strong. This condom will not break while in use. But it still is a Latex condom which means that the pussy body heat transfer is not as good as it is with the polyurethane product. So if you must wear a raincoat because the girl insists, or a situation arises where you just want to be on the safe side; take your pick. These are both very good condoms - the Sagami 0.02 Large (black print) & the Lelo Hex.[/QUOTE]I agree both Sagami L and Lelo Hex are great. Sagami is probably easier to get in Thailand though.

Have you tried Okamoto 001 XL? Personally, it's the best condom I've tried.

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;2266309]Hi all, I talk a walk past Grace Hotel the other night, out of curiosity more than anything else. What I saw was appalling. But only be expected I guess. So I quickly retreated to Soi 4 Nana side and saw some cuties at the Nana car park.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]I understand that beauty (or cuteness) is in the eye of the beholder.

All I will say is that I have walked by there several times in the last couple of days.

The quality on tap at Nana car lot is for the severely blueballed only.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2266337]This wouldn't happen to be the Nam you took would it? Personally, I have only met one girl in Bangkok named Nam in the last 20 years and it was this chick. I met her in that Nana area a while ago. She has a great body, but I don't think she's over 30 years old.[/QUOTE]For your info, Naam (or Nam) is a very common Thai girl's name. A little less common than Noi ( ha ha). I have fucked numerous Naams, probably at least 6 of them. One at Suzie Wong (I used to do Naam and Noi together), One at Crazy House, a GF, and a few others years ago.

Naam means water (in case anyone does not know).

I did not try a Naam from Nana Carpark, but did do a Nim once. N is most popular starting letter for a Thai girl nickname. Nim, Naam, Nun, Nok, Noi, Nit, Noot, Naen, Not, Note, Nut, Naet, Noei, Nuan, Nui, etc. and I have probably done girls with almost every one of these names.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2266337]Personally, I have only met one girl in Bangkok named Nam in the last 20 years [/QUOTE]Could be I just know too many girls in Thailand but I have met quite a few girls named Nam. Girl in your photo looks decent.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2264653]Guys are hitting on your girl while she is there with you?[/QUOTE]

She wasn't there with me as a date or as a potential customer. I just told my friend I'll be at Thermae tonight and because I haven't seen her in a while she said she'd come down to say hi and hang out with me a bit and try to work, which she obviously wasn't doing by rejecting all guys who approached her.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2266048]Today I was surfing TF for a house call and found this real cutie. 23 years old. I wanted to test a theory that Tooms always practices to see if it worked for me. On TF, I offered my price to this little cute and expressly mentioned I wanted the experience to be the same as we were BF and GF but she insisted on a condom. I politely declined. After searching for another few hours, I decided to take a chance. I contacted her back and lowered my offer and agreed to the condom thinking she would decline. Surprisingly, she accepted and 30 minutes later she was in my room. Here's where it gets a little wacked. After a brief massage, she undressed to reveal some very firm tities and a C section scar. Firm belly, firm ass and no severe baby damage, just the scar. Then she said she had a baby 4 months old. Her tits were rock hard as she was still lactating. OMG. Do I cheer for joy or call it off. She asked me if I wanted a taste and I declined knowing fair well that some other punters would have dove right in and been in complete and utter heaven. Instead, I chose to dive into her sweet tasting pussy. She got so into it that when I stopped she begged me to continue. After another 20 minutes of this and 2 exploding orgasms by her, she begged me to fuck her. I started to reach for the condoms she made me buy but she pulled me back towards her and just guided me right in be. Be. The next hour was full of pure GFE action. Lots of DFK, moaning, squealing and teerak teerak and teerak and ceow ceow ceow. I managed to snap a a few photos while taking a break from doggy and before she left and will also include some stock photos from her TF and Line. Finally, I unloaded a huge load deep inside her pussy and collapsed. ? After the session, I paid her the original fee we discussed, taxi money, and an extra 200 for the morning after pill. She left after giving me a big hug and a long DFK. Incidentally, during the session her tits were leaking milk, a first for me as I don't have any children. A bit of a clean up now but well worth it.[/QUOTE]Damn, photoshop did a number for her. From the pic you snapped in the jean shorts, I would have no interest, but the pics from TF are quite enticing as is the rear view. In addition, a gal with a 4 month old child having to hustle? Man, I just can't take that type anymore. Shows a lack of many things, forethought and planning come to mind, and as I get older when I hear stories like that I just have no interest in the gal, even if it is just a P4 P session. Just kills my desire altogether. I need a gal who has it just a little bit more together. That's why I miss those old Thermae and Nana Disco days when you had so many semi-pros; degreed office gals who were hustling to supplement their income. Now, seems like just the dregs and the lazy. Just not so interesting to me at least.

[QUOTE=Catire;2266369]I understand that beauty (or cuteness) is in the eye of the beholder.

All I will say is that I have walked by there several times in the last couple of days.

The quality on tap at Nana car lot is for the severely blueballed only.[/QUOTE]Have to agree with you. It's pretty rough out there. Some gems at times, but you have to put in so much time to find them.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2266386]Have to agree with you. It's pretty rough out there. Some gems at times, but you have to put in so much time to find them.[/QUOTE]And maybe only 1 in 5 would not be a complete waste of money. Body can be a disaster area once clothes come off. However Pin (ex Boss Massage) is working a little further up Soi 4, and her body is pretty damn good despite the implants.

My session at Boss was pretty good, and ET reports her BJ very bad could not adjust to his demands. However I will do her again when I get around to it. I still remember a memorable 69.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2266048]Today I was surfing TF for a house call and found this real cutie. 23 years old. [/QUOTE]Wow very nice indeed. She even looks okay In a natural pic when scowling badly (pulling an ugly face). Ha ha. Good taste man! So I don't agree with Goat on this one.

I have tried titty milk a few times, and although nothing special have no complaints about it. Some girls that have given birth very recently can have extra slack pussies but it does not usually bother me. GF has teenage daughter but quite tight pussy, despite no C section. So no definite pattern for me about girls with babies, except possibly extra loose pussies for very recent babies if doctor did not stitch it up tight.

Plenty of Thai girls had unplanned babies. Birth control of one type or another can fail, especially if they don't insist on condoms. One girl I know has 3 monthly injection (but I don't know if it is reliable - I don't CIP). The difference from western women is that they don't get an abortion.

Smart girls would use condoms as well as some other method of birth control, to be more sure. Morning after pill is good idea after a condom break.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2266385]Damn, photoshop did a number for her. From the pic you snapped in the jean shorts, I would have no interest, but the pics from TF are quite enticing as is the rear view. In addition, a gal with a 4 month old child having to hustle? Man, I just can't take that type anymore. Shows a lack of many things, forethought and planning come to mind, and as I get older when I hear stories like that I just have no interest in the gal, even if it is just a P4 P session. Just kills my desire altogether. I need a gal who has it just a little bit more together. That's why I miss those old Thermae and Nana Disco days when you had so many semi-pros; degreed office gals who were hustling to supplement their income. Now, seems like just the dregs and the lazy. Just not so interesting to me at least.[/QUOTE]There are still at least some (according to my date that night. "many") women who do this at Thermae. See my report from several days ago.

She had her own car (and apparently, many others do also).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2266381]For your info, Naam (or Nam) is a very common Thai girl's name. A little less common than Noi ( ha ha). [/QUOTE]I have probably been with 100 girls named Noi.

Ventured into Beer Garden. Has gone down drastically in terms of quantity and quality. Where is the day time action at?

[QUOTE=Catire;2266369]The quality on tap at Nana car lot is for the severely blueballed only.[/QUOTE]IMO the NPL area gets a bit of a bad rap. What day and time you check it out makes a considerable difference. Prime times would be Friday / Saturday night from sundown till about midnight. If you go Tuesday afternoon then yes expect a limited and poor selection. And of course if you cross the street to NP you will find much higher quality ladies. But that are different P4 P market segment for several reasons.

SL.

I am a regular poster and senior member. I hate to ask this but I am in a bind. I have very poor access to WiFi and internet in general for the next two days. I arrive in BKK in 2 days and I have one night! I usually don't ask for help wit kit searching but BKK is extensive and with bad internet I am not making much progress. Can anyone recommend one or two good incall FS places. Massage parlors or otherwise with FS. Prefer Nuru but good looking girl and FS is more important than Nuru.

You can tell from my past reports that I am not a leecher. I will report back for sure. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2266463]I am a regular poster and senior member. I hate to ask this but I am in a bind. I have very poor access to WiFi and internet in general for the next two days. I arrive in BKK in 2 days and I have one night! I usually don't ask for help wit kit searching but BKK is extensive and with bad internet I am not making much progress. Can anyone recommend one or two good incall FS places. Massage parlors or otherwise with FS. Prefer Nuru but good looking girl and FS is more important than Nuru.

You can tell from my past reports that I am not a leecher. I will report back for sure. Thank you.[/QUOTE]Read this! I can’t PM it to you as your PM is full and you need to delete some messages before you can receive more PMs.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2252635]So many debates and so many questions in my PMs and the Bangkok thread, I thought I would put together my take as a kind of newbie guide for mongers on where and how to find girls in BKK.

With the digital world taking over and the ladies continually glued to their phones, there is no doubt that it is the best place to find P4P. I will start with Craigs List. CL no longer has their traditional categories for mongering. The providers are now posting in the beauty section, services section and any other section for that matter. This is my least favorite option as there is a lot bullshit to weed through and the ladies are less than reliable. I personally prefer We Chat, Badoo, Thai Friendly, Bee Talk, Scout/Meet Me, Thai Joop, Facebook, and Tinder..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JakeBrown6661;2266421]Ventured into Beer Garden. Has gone down drastically in terms of quantity and quality. Where is the day time action at?[/QUOTE]Your next best option is soi 4 where all the Hillary bars are along with Morning night. Also the massage shops all open at 10:00 and by noon to 14:00 most of the girls will have arrived. Also you can find freelancers on We Chat and Thai Friendly that will do house calls to your home, condo, or hotel. Tons of daytime action.

As thanks to contributors of good info on this site, I report my experiences, hoping they will be helpful to my brothers out there. All 4 girls I asked about recommending them said yes happily and spelled their names to make sure I got it right. Each was also happy when I told them a friend (you out there) had recommended her.

I read many pages of the Thailand forums. While not dense in useful info, it is easy to spot the good stuff and some of the chit chat is entertaining. This helped me formulate my plan. I only had parts of 3 nights and one and a half days. While the thought of taking a street girl or bar fining a go go girl was exciting and I saw good candidates when there, I was going to have so few 'at bats' that I decided to go with recommendations herein that were what I wanted. I envy you guys who live here and have the time to work the gogos, street girls, dating sites and find the good cheap ones, but I had to have my 4-5 shots be good ones.

I ended up going to one BJ, and 4 massage places (Doki Doki, Tulip, Eden, Analisa, reports in the massage forums). I also put a hotels post in the hotel forum.

I learned how to say Hello, and thank you in Thai because I find most people appreciate that. The girls, receptionists, waiters all spoke enough English to get by and there are hand signals for everything. One girl even spoke as well as I!

I say girls but you know I mean women, young women who accept and seem to like what they do, and I guess they would rather do this than a regular job because the money is better. I treat them well, compliment them, and tip them. Human kindness.

As for cost, the most I spent was 5000 be (2 girls at Eden including tip). That is $152 USD. Where I live, that is 6 lap dances with me not touching and me fully clothed. I didn't want to go home with regrets, so I decided what I wanted and am happy I could afford the splurge.

Arrived BKK at 2230, got baht at an ATM, took taxi to hotel (I liked the taxi take a number system), in room by 2330. It was fast and less than 500 be. I wanted to take the trains for less than 100 be but didn't want to get stranded at the midnight train closing time.

I figured I would be tired from the trip so chose a BJ bar for my first visit. Was going to go to Afterskool for the thrill of an in-bar BJ but they close at 2400, so chose Duangporn's Haven at 6/12 Sukhumvit Rd 9:30 am 1:00 am 800 be for BBBJ, GPS 13.735671, 100.560745 (google street view is outdated), just behind the cute Asoke Bar which is on google maps. Arrived 0030, as I came into view, a beautiful gal stood, shoulder length black hair, reminded me of a US TV star I can't name right now, went right in with her without really looking at any of the 6 others. She was happy, friendly and spoke good enough English. I asked deep throat, she grabbed my dick to measure and said sure, kindly not laughing and saying "who couldn't". Led me upstairs to a room with a shower curtain door, bed, and a chair. Had me undress, put a skirt around me, led me to shower area, cleaned my junk which would probably have done the job had she continued, dried me, let me back. Next time I would take my money with me as it laid there untended, no problem but why risk? BBBJ was good. Some DT but not a lot, I didn't ask for more. She worked hard to get me off (I am old) and may have swallowed, don't remember if she spit or not as I was blessed. Would repeat, forgot to ask her name.

Walking back to hotel, went down Soi Cowboy for first time, lots of girls outside the clubs, but I wanted to go to Crazy House (google maps). Most girls on Cowboy were skinny and pretty flat chested. I kind of enjoyed them grabbing me and trying to pull me in but too blatant. I went in a few later on but they were usually empty, but did see one girl dancing in one that made me say wow but I stupidly didn't try to buy her a drink to see what would happen. The sexiest girls along Cowboy were the ladyboys at Cockatoo. Had they been out grabbing, I might have gone in for a drink just for the experience.

Crazy House. I love this place so much I ended up going all 3 possible nights. Just because junior is done for the day doesn't mean I have to be. For 5 usd, you can sip a beer and watch a stage full of beauties move around sexily to music, most of them nude, some with tops and tiny skirts with no thong. There were 2 shifts of 20 girls each, nice variety from shy to wild, tiny tits to enhanced, I only saw 1 chubby girl. If you sit at the bar, a forest of beautiful calves is at eye level. Tilt your head for pussies, and a little more for tits and faces. Sit against the walls for a bit more distant view. First time, a naked girl came up and asked me to buy her a drink. She sat on my lap for a while and we talked some over the way too loud music, I had my arm around her and she said "you can touch". To save you newbies some time, here is what I figured out. Wish I had more time to refine. Don't wait to be asked. Some walk by when not dancing so if you like, just wave or touch an arm and they will be yours unless they are headed for someone. What I liked to do was find one I liked dancing and make eye contact. If she smiled, it meant she was willing. Point to your beer and wave her over and she will nod yes and when the 5 song set is over she will come over and start chatting, all spoke enough English to have a nice little talk while she lets you feel her tits and pussy; go slow so she can stop you if she wants. A waitress will come over and you buy a lady drink, a shot of tequila I think and a chaser for 330 be. So for under 500, 15 usd, including a tip for the waitress and 100 for the girl if I liked her, you get a nice time with a beauty and she gets a drink and a piece of paper good for a cut of the drink cost I hope. The hard parts are choosing which one and deciding to buy her another drink or to go on to another girl. I preferred the nude ones but ended up with more of the little dresses because they seemed to make better eye contact. Once, as soon as I sat on a stool, a tiny thin girl jumped between my legs and immediately put my had on her pussy. I of course bought her a drink and when I would take my hand away, she would put it back! Each girl or the waitress asked if I wanted to bar fine. I think it was 700 be plus the girl's price, and go upstairs or out. I always had to say no but only one girl kept at the hard sell and I just told her to go away. But every few minutes I would look at all those legs and think you lucky bastard.

I wanted to do an escort. Sugar at absolute-angels-Bangkok was #1 until I realized it was physically impossible for those boobs to be that big and point straight out like that and not be photoshopped. Hope I wasn't wrong! Also saw some girls I wanted on smooci but it didn't work out, I posted my thoughts to the smooci forum.

Very happy with each of the girls I went with. Glad I'm not as critical as some of you guys, who seem unhappy with anyone but their ideal fantasy babe, who if they found her would probably charge them thousands per hour. I hope you find her. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the looks and talent I found was a lot better than I expected from reading this forum. Glad I ignored most of that and concentrated on the positive reviews. Thanks in part to ISG, it was a great trip, only wish I could stay all winter so I could contribute reviews of other places and girls.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2266463]I arrive in BKK in 2 days and I have one night! [/QUOTE]

Hard to say, Bangkok is the oriental city and as we all know it time flies and the world is your oyster. These should help you out [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnqj31VPNoE[/URL] also check this one out as well [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfB_K4RGtDo[/URL].

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2266462]IMO the NPL area gets a bit of a bad rap. What day and time you check it out makes a considerable difference. Prime times would be Friday / Saturday night from sundown till about midnight. If you go Tuesday afternoon then yes expect a limited and poor selection. And of course if you cross the street to NP you will find much higher quality ladies. But that are different P4 P market segment for several reasons.

SL.[/QUOTE]To be fair, my reporting / observations consisted of times from 1 am to 3 am on various nights / mornings.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2266410]I have probably been with 100 girls named Noi.[/QUOTE]In that case you should have done 10 Naams by now.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2266385] In addition, a gal with a 4 month old child having to hustle? Man, I just can't take that type anymore. [/QUOTE]What type is that? Poor education? Not incredibly smart?

How does the girl support her child when the father is probably not interested? Abortion is against their religion, and many could just not go through with it.

Many girls are able to convince themselves to be a hooker for the necessity to support the child (and possibly other family members). Is that somehow worse than a young non-mother willing to be a hooker? Why look down on them?

I know one very low education girl currently working long hours as a waitress or food seller at night for 10K per month. She has to pay room rental (almost half of the 10K) and send some money home for the child. She would probably rather work as an MP hooker if she was able (unfortunately she is not a Thai citizen and there is a crackdown on non-thais with raids these days). The MP money per month is better.

What type is she? Pretty, good slim body, very low education (very poor background), prone to migraines, no husband evident now (he left). Wants to find a way to support herself and the child adequately.

The very thing that originally allowed Thai hookers to be very cheap, was the lack of viable earning alternatives for them and the need for them to do some freelance to supplement the money they had, even if they had a "normal" daytime job. Freelancers on the street can still be cheap for these reasons.
Would you think these girls had a huge amount saved away that could support themselves and a child for a long time? Makes no sense really.

So the question remains how come these young girls have to get pregnant mostly to some young Thai boy that does not give a shit in reality. Probably could not force him to use condoms. ha ha. All birth control methods are fallible. That is why western girl abortion rates are high even for teenagers.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2266569]In that case you should have done 10 Naams by now.[/QUOTE]Not only have I not done 10, I have only met 1. However, for sure I have done over 10 girls named Tukta, Porn, Ae, Bee, Joy, Nut, May, Nan, and others over the years. That being said, I have only spent a few weeks in Thailand in the last 5 years. Prior to that, I spent a ton of time in Bangkok. Is Nam a newly popular Thai bargirl nickname? The girl I met named Nam was recent. Then again, none of those nicknames are the girl's real names.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2266572]What type is that? Poor education? Not incredibly smart?

How does the girl support her child when the father is probably not interested? Abortion is against their religion, and many could just not go through with it.

Many girls are able to convince themselves to be a hooker for the necessity to support the child (and possibly other family members). Is that somehow worse than a young non-mother willing to be a hooker? Why look down on them?

I know one very low education girl currently working long hours as a waitress or food seller at night for 10K per month. She has to pay room rental (almost half of the 10K) and send some money home for the child. She would probably rather work as an MP hooker if she was able (unfortunately she is not a Thai citizen and there is a crackdown on non-thais with raids these days). The MP money per month is better.

What type is she? Pretty, good slim body, very low education (very poor background), prone to migraines, no husband evident now (he left). Wants to find a way to support herself and the child adequately.

The very thing that originally allowed Thai hookers to be very cheap, was the lack of viable earning alternatives for them and the need for them to do some freelance to supplement the money they had, even if they had a "normal" daytime job. Freelancers on the street can still be cheap for these reasons.
Would you think these girls had a huge amount saved away that could support themselves and a child for a long time? Makes no sense really.

So the question remains how come these young girls have to get pregnant mostly to some young Thai boy that does not give a shit in reality. Probably could not force him to use condoms. ha ha. All birth control methods are fallible. That is why western girl abortion rates are high even for teenagers.[/QUOTE]Most of the issues that you list are reasons not to get pregnant. Abortion? Available for almost no cost in Bangkok. Birth control is readily available without a script. Poor education? Not incredibly smart? Well, there you have it. And both of those are a real turn off to me. In fact, no matter how great looking a gal is, when she opens her mouth and complete drivel comes out; I'm just not interested. Sorry, smarts matter. Smarter gals are better lays as well. They understand seduction, eroticism, know to monitor and adjust to their customer's needs, and can get inside your head and really figure out what turns their client on. Now, we have many discussions about price here. Do I expect this from a 25 USD hooker? No. But if I'm paying 100 USD plus in a city where the average monthly income is 800 USD a month, then your damn skippy I expect a lot. A cute farmer's daughter with a po-6 or mo-3 education who thinks just spreading the legs is good enough, well, isn't good enough. I think with more opportunity for even less educated gals in Thailand now, the P4P industry (especially the GoGo) scene is really getting the bottom of the barrel. When most open their mouths, my sex drive plummets. I would think that the gals with any smarts whatsoever are online, not in GoGos, MPs, or the freelance hangouts. It really makes no sense for them to work those venues if they have any sense at all. Online allows them to be their own boss and manage their own affairs and time. That shows some initiative a bit of creativity.

I mean really, would you be interested in a gal with a 6th grade education who got knocked up at 15 or 16, and had the kid in your home nation?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2266593] Abortion? Available for almost no cost in Bangkok. [/QUOTE]I have no idea if safe abortion is available for low cost, nor how safe it is. Not really completely relevant. It is not legal, I believe. Abortion operators get arrested and jailed from time to time.

Anyway the point is Thai girls pregnant do not get abortions at same percentage rate as western girls. It is against their religion and principals. They cannot kill the unborn child, possibly fearing the bad Karma, going to hell, or being reincarnated in the next life as a low animal with incredible hardship. I can't be expert in their thinking, but have been informed by several that abortion was not a viable option for their principals.

How come so many young hookers do not get an abortion? They just cannot agree to it. Here in lies a large risk attached to bareback sex. Other birth control methods fail. e.g. the Bo at Cherry just mentioned in another thread used birth control. It failed. She never intended to have babies.

Level of education has not been a factor for me, when doing P4P girls. I don't need them for advanced scientific conversation, and even my past western Mrs would have no clues if I started discussing details of my work. She did not get knocked up at 16 but her sister did and that sister had an abortion. It happens, maybe a lot more than most think.

Actually horny girls are preferable for me. My ex Farang Mrs was a mistake, still a virgin when I met her. That was a really bad idea. Would have been better of with a horny girl into sex.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2266579]However, for sure I have done over 10 girls named Tukta, Porn, Ae, Bee, Joy, Nut, May, Nan, and others over the years. That being said, I have only spent a few weeks in Thailand in the last 5 years. Prior to that, I spent a ton of time in Bangkok. Is Nam a newly popular Thai bargirl nickname? The girl I met named Nam was recent. Then again, none of those nicknames are the girl's real names.[/QUOTE]The frequency of Naam is really not much less than the other names you listed. Actually more frequent than Bee, I suspect. It is just a fluke you did not meet more of them. Could be a fluke that I only met two or 3 Bees. One was a GF of sorts. I also met though "Pheung" which means Bee. Tuk is actually more common than Tukata, perhaps used more in older generation. Had a short term GF Tuk also at one time.

I have done all the names you list but probably not to 10 times unless we count repeats of the same girls as multiples. Tuk, Porn, Bee, Nut, too numerous to be countable repeats of same girl.

Naam has been relatively popular since 1991 (my first trip to Thailand with a chance to meet girls), not a newly popular name at all, and of course nothing at all to do with bars or hookers. Just generally common.

Yes we can say these names are their short nicknames. Not official first names which tend to be 3 syllables (commonly). Nicknames are also used since birth, but the girl can change them if they are not that keen on the original nickname. So they can have more than one.

One Naam I knew well was originally called Noi, it seems, but there were too many Nois amongst the relatives, so she changed to Naam. A Thai girl would not be called Water though, or American style WOR-DER. Naam sounds much better.

Back in 1991, the most common Thai nickname was Lek I believe, however it seems to have gone out of fashion, hardly meet any young Leks anymore.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2266410]I have probably been with 100 girls named Noi.[/QUOTE]I used to get a lot of Nois and Leks about 10 years ago. I haven't met a Noi in quite some time.

[QUOTE=Jim200;2266631]I used to get a lot of Nois and Leks about 10 years ago. I haven't met a Noi in quite some time.[/QUOTE]Have you been away from Thailand?

Noi is not that great as a working name. Too common. Girls may change to something more exotic as a working name like Ice, Apple, Champagne, Tukata, Oil, Vodka, Bell, Benz, Candy, Grace, Emmy, Rose, Nancy, etc. And some of these western names cannot be pronounced correctly western style by most Thais.

I used to have several Nois in the phone, and would think "who T'fuck is that? So had to include the place knowing the Noi. One was a GF's mother. One in Doll House, one in Crazy House, one in SuziW etc. There is more than one type of Noi too, A high tone Noi and a low tone Noi, spelled differently in the Thai language. There is also more than one (Ae, Aey) with different tones.

I nearly forgot, Anne and Anna, have always been extremely popular Thai girls names possibly due to being a Farang name as well.

One of the weirdest for me to say, I thought was "Euay" (my guess to English spelling) as no consonant sound present much like Ae has no consonant sound. Equally weird I guess are the ones Thais cannot pronounce, yet want to use with a weird way to say it.

Ice in one shop was called by reception to come out. They called out her name as: "Eye-See-Ee". The I-C-E is an express train in Germany, so that was really funny to me, to call a girl: I-C-E. I assume all girls called Ice are hookers, but I could be wrong. Most impractical name though, for Thais to pronounce. The drug Ice is known to Thais as "Yaa I". "I" (sounds like Eye) is their best attempt at saying Ice. Thai for Icecream (on a stick) is often sounding like "I-Dteam" or could be like "Eye-sa-kh(r)eam"

Recently we had an MP girl whose name was described as Ferry and also as Furry. Bit of mystery exactly what they intended, but weird. Possibly Fairy, Faerie, Fernie, or Fleurie, but difficult to know.

[QUOTE=ZuperFly;2266325]FYI the hardness you felt is silicon. Known her for years, before she became a hardened pro and learned to do the squealing act. Shacked up with her in Jomtien for a week when she was FOB from Surin; no money changed hands. She was happy with meals and a bikini or two. She was indeed adorable back then, before she had surgery on her nose, breasts, and tours of duty in Moscow and Bahrain. She's fallen on desperate times; sad but common story.[/QUOTE]I can't PM you but you know what you did mate. Not cool at all. What are you trying to prove?

[QUOTE=Thai9;2266506] Was going to go to Afterskool for the thrill of an in-bar BJ but they close at 2400[/QUOTE]Since when? I was there 3 weeks ago until about 2 am getting drunk and playing with a SWT.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2266572]
Many girls are able to convince themselves to be a hooker for the necessity to support the child (and possibly other family members). Is that somehow worse than a young non-mother willing to be a hooker? Why look down on them?
[/QUOTE]If they don't have a young kid a lot of boyfriends or family that leech off them.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2261490]Just to give you guys some examples of the girls I've hooked up with on Thai Friendly, I will post some pictures of the enticing photos I have collected from my latest conquests. I don't care what anyone says, it is still a goldmine for pussy and you should sign up for premiuim and follow the advice I have given and the advise of others as well. But if you don't have premium, it is a real pain in the ass and a waste of time. These are just a handful of the girls I have been with from TF over the last few months. Dont give up. Some became part time girlfriends and some were just a one time thing.[/QUOTE]Wow. They are hot. You have convinced me to sign up since I am about to spend 10 days in BKK. I hope I can have similar success as you.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2266610]
Back in 1991, the most common Thai nickname was Lek I believe, however it seems to have gone out of fashion, hardly meet any young Leks anymore.[/QUOTE]I have a friend in the US who is a man and he calls himself Lek. I think his real name is Parkpoom or something like that. He's an MD.

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2266283]Snip. While on a Japanese condom site I noticed that Okamoto, which is apparently Sagami's main competition in the premium condom market has a "001 0. 01 mm Zero One Large Size Condom". I grabbed some of them too. They aren't cheap though, only come in 3 packs and cost about US $12 (Yes US $4 per condom) compared to just less than US $2 for the Sagami's. Snip[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2266800]Hey Bubba Boy, looks like you are really prepared for action. Last trip I brought along 3 dozen Sagami 0. 02 L's and a 1 dozen Lelo Hex. I paid around $1.50 US per unit for the Sagami online and around $0.75 per unit for the Hex direct from Lelo. In LOS the Sagami's retail for around 70 baht per unit.i[/QUOTE]I don't know where you ordered or got yours, but I got three 12-pack of the Sagami 0. 02 L for $35 delivered to the US through E-bay. Should be able to get same price delivered to Thailand.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2266593] Do I expect this from a 25 USD hooker? No. But if I'm paying 100 USD plus in a city where the average monthly income is 800 USD a month, then your damn skippy I expect a lot. A cute farmer's daughter with a po-6 or mo-3 education who thinks just spreading the legs is good enough, well, isn't good enough. I think with more opportunity for even less educated gals in Thailand now, the P4P industry (especially the GoGo) [/QUOTE]How much does a Thai earn in low end jobs?

Based on [URL]https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/thailand/annual-household-income-per-capita[/URL].

"Thailand's Annual Household Income per Capita reached 3,322.813 USD in Dec 2017".

This would translate to 100 K THB / Yr- about 8 K PM. So not really 800 $ (25-26 k).

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2266844]How much does a Thai earn in low end jobs?

Based on [URL]https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/thailand/annual-household-income-per-capita[/URL].

"Thailand's Annual Household Income per Capita reached 3,322.813 USD in Dec 2017".

This would translate to 100 K THB / Yr- about 8 K PM. So not really 800 $ (25-26 k).[/QUOTE]That's very low end jobs. The Thai people in our office make a damn good salary. They make almost as much as a similar position in the USA would pay. There are a lot of Thais doing very well.

A "low" paying full time job in the USA would be around 14,000 usd a year. But someone on welfare in the USA usually gets much more than that.

I have more respect for a Thai making 3,000 a year or an American making 14,000 a year in the lowest paying job than I do for an American (or illegal alien) in the USA on welfare.

A stripper in a nice strip club in the USA can make around 2,000 usd per night. So they make about the same as some of the highest paid professionals in America. Using that logic, Thai gogo girls should be making a huge salary.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2266861]That's very low end jobs. The Thai people in our office make a damn good salary. They make almost as much as a similar position in the USA would pay. There are a lot of Thais doing very well.

A "low" paying full time job in the USA would be around 14,000 usd a year. But someone on welfare in the USA usually gets much more than that.

I have more respect for a Thai making 3,000 a year or an American making 14,000 a year in the lowest paying job than I do for an American (or illegal alien) in the USA on welfare.

A stripper in a nice strip club in the USA can make around 2,000 usd per night. So they make about the same as some of the highest paid professionals in America. Using that logic, Thai gogo girls should be making a huge salary.[/QUOTE]I have heard from a few ladies that the employees at 7/11 are paid 300 a day. That comes to the average given if they work 7 days a week.

But I agree that average office worker must make more. They hang out in Starbucks or any of the multitudes of Coffee Cafes and Malls. This means they have money to spend. Of course they live in small rooms and usually double up to share expenses.

RL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2266861]That's very low end jobs. The Thai people in our office make a damn good salary. They make almost as much as a similar position in the USA would pay. There are a lot of Thais doing very well.[/QUOTE]Without telling us the actual number, I will be surprised that is the general case.

This means they are doing better and richer than the US workers because everything is cheaper here. It also implies Korean, HK, Japan, or Taiwan are all doing better than US. Some of these East Asia countries hire a lot of workers from Southeast Asia countries for about $800 a month working 6 days a week. A friend of mine has 5 maids. I know I will take about 40% salary cut if I transfer to Asia.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2266861]
A stripper in a nice strip club in the USA can make around 2,000 usd per night. So they make about the same as some of the highest paid professionals in America. Using that logic, Thai gogo girls should be making a huge salary.[/QUOTE]Sorry that is not logical. Very top gogo girl that is very popular with lots of regulars and multiple STs per night can make 150 K Baht per month. That still doesn't compare to the really rich people in Thailand.

However the average gogo girl maybe making between 30 K and 50 K, and some girls are so undesirable as to hardly get a BF and therefore make well under 30 K per month.

American strippers make a lot maybe because there is so little alternative to them. The money thrown at them is ridiculous right? When they don't even have to fuck. Here, many guys are boycotting gogo bar girls because they have viable cheaper alternatives, e. G. 1 K street walkers on Soi 4 for a quickie, or MPs like Tulip, SW, etc. Comparisons with the US don't make a lot of sense to me, especially as I don't live there and visit rarely. Levels of the law and morality are different. Supply of hookers is far different. I have never had a fuck in the USA, as far as I remember (or definitely not a memorable one), and may have wasted a bit it on black hot strippers in San Francisco.

Some time during the 1990's Nana Plaza took off, don't recall the exact year, me preferring Lollipop and Pretty Lady nearby on left side ground floor. One bar had a nude mermaid fish tank. Nude dancing occurred for a small number of years. Later it was stopped and resurfaced in Cowboy. This was before internet days. Certainly no ISG to get tips from I guess.

Here is a Goth girl, I believe called Angie, selected from Pretty Lady I think, due to hot bod, raunchiness. She was a good fuck and had no qualms at all about posing nude. A show off. Possibly on drugs of some sort. E. g. Yaa Baa. Had those wrist cut marks. You may even notice she has slightly more arm hair than desirable. In that year bald pussies did not really occur at all I think. All girls had some pussy hair.

Did her just once (I believe) but still remember her quite well. I guess the photos help a little but I would not forget how the body was close to a 10. Face not quite my spec these days. Not quite the personality I would go for, however it meant there were no restrictions. Probably BBFS.

Photos of old photo prints. Hence quality not top. Strange nose but I think probably natural. Looks nothing like the typical nose jobs.

Would I do her today? I think if dancing nude, the body would win me over even if a bit of a low class raunchy type. There are not many girls with good natural tits like this these days exposed to see how good they are. Even in those days, not many girls with a body this hot in the gogos. I imagine she made money quite easily, as much hotter than most girls.

Pic looks like I was staying at the Dynasty Inn nearby. Would not stay there any more. Ha ha.

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2266844]How much does a Thai earn in low end jobs?

Based on [URL]https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/thailand/annual-household-income-per-capita[/URL].

"Thailand's Annual Household Income per Capita reached 3,322.813 USD in Dec 2017".

This would translate to 100 K THB / Yr- about 8 K PM. So not really 800 $ (25-26 k).[/QUOTE]Annual Household Income PER capita?

Since PER Capita means "per person", do the figures mean per household or per working person? Who knows?

Since I live in Mexico, I looked up the Mexican figures in the same report. The minimum daily wage in Mexico is about $4 USD / day. The report lists $2,700 USD per year which works out to be about $10 USD / day. Or about $200 pesos per day. Which is about what the average shop clerk, etc. Makes. So I must conclude that the report actually means Average Income Per Person.

So that would mean that the average "low end" wage in Thailand would be about $400 baht / day which isn't far off from Robert Long's post saying $300 baht / day.

Minimum wage varies throughout the US but anyone who shows up to work reliably and works even half hard can easily get a $10 an hour job with no education or skills beyond high school. That works out to 31 k US a year at 60 hours a week and 52 weeks a year for making no investment in your education or developing any skills. Excluding a few places in the world that is a damn fine job for not investing anything and entry level. Also at that level of earning there is a lot of government assistance available.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2266988]Sorry that is not logical. Very top gogo girl that is very popular with lots of regulars and multiple STs per night can make 150 K Baht per month. That still doesn't compare to the really rich people in Thailand.

However the average gogo girl maybe making between 30 K and 50 K, and some girls are so undesirable as to hardly get a BF and therefore make well under 30 K per month.

American strippers make a lot maybe because there is so little alternative to them. The money thrown at them is ridiculous right? When they don't even have to fuck. Here, many guys are boycotting gogo bar girls because they have viable cheaper alternatives, e. G. 1 K street walkers on Soi 4 for a quickie, or MPs like Tulip, SW, etc. Comparisons with the US don't make a lot of sense to me, especially as I don't live there and visit rarely. Levels of the law and morality are different. Supply of hookers is far different. I have never had a fuck in the USA, as far as I remember (or definitely not a memorable one), and may have wasted a bit it on black hot strippers in San Francisco.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2267163]Annual Household Income PER capita?

Since PER Capita means "per person", do the figures mean per household or per working person? Who knows?

Since I live in Mexico, I looked up the Mexican figures in the same report. The minimum daily wage in Mexico is about $4 USD / day. The report lists $2,700 USD per year which works out to be about $10 USD / day. Or about $200 pesos per day. Which is about what the average shop clerk, etc. Makes. So I must conclude that the report actually means Average Income Per Person.

So that would mean that the average "low end" wage in Thailand would be about $400 baht / day which isn't far off from Robert Long's post saying $300 baht / day.[/QUOTE]Yes, I would say they mean per person, not per household, too, based on the USA numbers. They cite USA per capita (per person) income in 2016 as around $29,900 USD, which is about right per person while Annual Household income was generally cited in other sources as more like $56,000 per household.

I really fail to see the relevance of how much is average earnings in other countries, and how that should affect the earnings of hookers in Thailand, which vary so incredibly. No connection in my mind.

Are Thai hookers going to be influenced by how much hookers make in other countries? Not at all. They charge what they think they can get. When times are tough, the price goes up. Ha ha. Does not even really follow supply and demand principals. If a girl does only 1 fuck per day, she wants a lot more than another girl doing 5 guys per day. Bargirls became more expensive than Oily girls.

We all know there are countries where hookers cost vastly more than Thailand for a several hour booking, and also know there is a cheaper alternative in Cambodia.

I recall being told 2 or 3 years ago, that in Cambodia, you move outside the city area, where girls have no English and get a fuck for $10 no problem. So more like Thailand of many years ago. In 1991 in Thailand, could get a Thai girl for that sort of money. 1981 a girl may have cost only 100 to 150 Baht or so for sex in a province outside the city area, speculating a bit but having heard stories from a buddy. I was in Thailand in about 1983 but with wife in tow, was a bit restricted, so did not really get a handle on the prices. However I am sure it was the ideal time to be mongering in Thailand. HIV was not known and the biggest STD scare at the time was Herpes maybe.

Mongering punters can choose which ever country and place gives them the best experience and value for money. Guys that monger in many countries are still coming back to Thailand. So something is still O.K. I have cut right back in Europe because it costs significantly more per hour.

Hi gents,

Thanks for the intels on THERMAE. Like others said, its literally a cattle call for freelancers. There are 50-100 girls lined up in a horseshoe pattern and the guys go in circles trying to find a date. Mostly Japanese and Korean. Not much place to sit and hang out. No dancing. Very transnational.

Here is my take:

- Between Nana and Asoke MRT on Sukumvit.

- I like this format, because I don't drink and I am usually in bed by 11 pm, so don't want to spend too much time at gogo bars. Just want to find a quick bang and go to sleep. I got in around 9 pm on Friday and was about 60 girls. Can go in and out quickly.

- Quality is across the board. There are stunners and very unattractive. The hot girls know they are hot and will not talk to you. I got a sense its hard to have a good conversation with these girls before agreeing on price and then leaving. So you guys who like to chat up a girl before proposing sex, might not be the place for you.

- Majority Koreans and Japanese who can be quite annoying. I have a darker complexion and most of the girls wouldn't talk to me.

- They claim standard price is 2500-3000 for ST. Not sure how true that is, but what I paid.

I did find a attractive girl. Beautiful face, nice body. Took her back to my place. But when clothes came off, very saggy boobs and 2 kids body. Wish I had spend more time finding a tighter pussy. But did get some DFK, BBBJ, Condom FS and we spent some time in my bathtub, which was nice.

[QUOTE=United1;2267389]I did find a attractive girl. Beautiful face, nice body. Took her back to my place. But when clothes came off, very saggy boobs and 2 kids body. Wish I had spend more time finding a tighter pussy. But did get some DFK, BBBJ, Condom FS and we spent some time in my bathtub, which was nice.[/QUOTE]To avoid this next time ask the right questions like if she has had a baby, are her tits perky or saggy, and of course clarify the services she provides.

2500 is the rate and has been the same for quite some time. Any higher quote means they need more money to go with you over someone they prefer (waiting for the 333 comments).

Thanks for an actual review.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2266926]I have heard from a few ladies that the employees at 7/11 are paid 300 a day. That comes to the average given if they work 7 days a week.

But I agree that average office worker must make more. They hang out in Starbucks or any of the multitudes of Coffee Cafes and Malls. This means they have money to spend. Of course they live in small rooms and usually double up to share expenses.

RL.[/QUOTE]300 B/ day x 25 days = 7. 5 K THB only (nobody works 30 days) - this sounds too low. But if it is that- that is what it is.

[URL]https://checkinprice.com/average-minimum-salary-in-bangkok-thailand/[/URL]
Average Salary in Bangkok, Thailand.

Average wages in Bangkok is pretty high compared to other areas of Thailand. Currently, the average wage in Bangkok is of 25,500 Thai Baht per month, or approximately 800 USD. (So 1000 B / day).

Bangkok has some of the highest average salaries among ASEAN members capitals. Singapore is the first on this list, followed by Bandar Seri Begawan, Kuala Lumpur and then Bangkok.

Nonetheless based on 350 B/day Low wages (even 1000 B/day Avg wages) - hooker rates should be much much lower than currently indicated 2-3 K / ST etc.


Wages are based on demand / supply. There is ample / surplus supply here- as easily evident. So likely the Punters are not negotiating well - Econ101.

Oh well,

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2267548]To avoid this next time ask the right questions like if she has had a baby, are her tits perky or saggy, and of course clarify the services she provides.

2500 is the rate and has been the same for quite some time. Any higher quote means they need more money to go with you over someone they prefer (waiting for the 333 comments).

Thanks for an actual review.[/QUOTE]Some quote 3 because they think they can get it (mine did and does). Normally I would have blown her off, as I always do girls who quote above prevailing rate. But she is WELL worth the extra 500. Spent all night with me last night for no extra money (though I gave her 4). In her fierce year end race for money, she's apparently off to Thermae tonight too. I told her just to come see me. Which apparently she really wants to do. But only short time tonite. anyways, 2500 IS the "going rate", but as has been mentioned there is a disparity in the looks and age(s) of the women at Thermae. I wouldn't be surprised if the younger and hotter girls ask and get 3 (if not more) .. let's say 4 minutes. 4 cm and 4 thousand baht?

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2267603]300 B/ day x 25 days = 7. 5 K THB only (nobody works 30 days) - this sounds too low. But if it is that- that is what it is.

[URL]https://checkinprice.com/average-minimum-salary-in-bangkok-thailand/[/URL]
Average Salary in Bangkok, Thailand.

Average wages in Bangkok is pretty high compared to other areas of Thailand. Currently, the average wage in Bangkok is of 25,500 Thai Baht per month, or approximately 800 USD. (So 1000 B / day).
[/QUOTE]Those figures are spot on. Minimum wage jobs pay THB 325 (USD $10) per day. Only takes 2 out of 5 people to be on a decent wage of say THB 2000 (USD $60) per day to bring the over all average up to THB 1000 (USD $30) per day.

I guess that is why they aim for THB 2500 to THB 3000ST, just a bit more than an average days pay of a skilled worker. Not that these girls are probably educated enough for a well paid job but puts some perspective into their pricing.

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2267710]Those figures are spot on. Minimum wage jobs pay THB 325 (USD $10) per day. Only takes 2 out of 5 people to be on a decent wage of say THB 2000 (USD $60) per day to bring the over all average up to THB 1000 (USD $30) per day.

I guess that is why they aim for THB 2500 to THB 3000ST, just a bit more than an average days pay of a skilled worker. Not that these girls are probably educated enough for a well paid job but puts some perspective into their pricing.[/QUOTE]Many office workers in Bangkok are making low end western-like salaries though right? Closer to 20,000 baht per (5-day) week is quite reasonable, which is only about USD $30 k / year, or about $15/ hour. So yeah in the ballpark of what an office girl would make if they get one or so person a day.

[QUOTE=United1;2267389]
I did find a attractive girl. Beautiful face, nice body. Took her back to my place. But when clothes came off, very saggy boobs and 2 kids body. Wish I had spend more time finding a tighter pussy. But did get some DFK, BBBJ, Condom FS and we spent some time in my bathtub, which was nice.[/QUOTE]Always a huge risk with over dressed freelancers. Hence my more normal behaviour is to go to bars where I can see the body well. Even the double layer bras of Coyotes can be hiding crappy tits. Too risky generally unless can get the girl to show her tits. Even if the body comes out not too bad, still have the risk of low skills, or girls looking for a quickie, or stiff legs syndrome (dick scared). Definitely better for the Asian customers in Thermae. At least with street walkers, the amount of money risked is less.

After having a very hot body GF for many years now, it is very hard to get excited by a sloppy body, for me. Dick may hardly stir. Every girl has a pussy yes, and may even be a pretty one, but it is not enough for me.

I know other guys ask girls if they have a baby, however I can't see myself doing that, since many girls with babies still have a good body. Most of my regular girls (the odd exception) have a baby. Some even have a pussy a bit on the tight side of ideal for me. Some really beautiful pussy. Girls with baby, I would say, on average are not likely to be dick scared, and typically are more enthusiastic fucks.

Started my night at the Argentine steakhouse with 3 hoegardens and a Cuban. My plan was to swing by patpong to check out my favorite from last trip Kings Castle 1 and move on to Nana later in the night.

Upon arrival at 6 pm I realized the google opening time of 5 pm is incorrect. I found a great massage place on the next street over to kill some time. After a hour massage to cure my aches from 25 HR flight I nearly fell asleep.

I head into Kings castle 1 I think. Did they remodel? Last time it was a square the ladies danced on. Now it was a full stage and the place seemed bigger. Anyway, my first impression was 95% were skinny 21 years old just like I remembered so surely it was the same place. About 40-50 girls with more arriving. I saw about 4 that were of my taste. Nice booty and small to medium boobs.

After checking them all out and 1 Heineken later I picked bee bee. 21 years old and just started 2 weeks ago. Nit noy English which sucked but with help from papasan I stuck with my favorite. I bought her one lady drink and inquired about ST. Papasan stated 4300 including BF. I balked to try to get it down as it seemed a bit high to me. Papasan asked again a few minutes later and I balked again. Papasan said she 2nd prize whatever that meant. By this time, two of my 4 had been BF by asians a half a lady drink into sitting so I pulled the trigger. Thinking back on it today I think 3rd time would of got it lower.

Back in the room we showered and began aerobics. I went in for some kissing but I could tell she didn't like so I continued down her body for some DATY. She welcomed this and warned her up well I thought. The BBBJ that followed was lousy and short. At this point, I realized the aerobics was going to be the same kind of effort. So I skipped all of the soft screwing and flipped her over for a good pounding. She was a very vocal young lady.

I enjoyed the experience with the stunner even though it was nothing to write home about. I would return to kings castle 1 but would try one of the others. I was too tired to continue onto Nana. I will be back in 2 days to explore nana.

I almost didn't return to the King Castle gogos. Natty, turned me into them last trip and like I said before I love that it's mostly young stunners. I have read on others sites that Kings Castles are known for amazing transexuals that are hard to tell. I really investigated last night with intentions of moving onto Nana if I seen one Adam's apple or sign of LB. Did they change busniess model or our these other sites correct?

Now onto Pattaya.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy68;2267776] I have read on others sites that Kings Castles are known for amazing transexuals that are hard to tell. I really investigated last night with intentions of moving onto Nana if I seen one Adam's apple or sign of LB. Did they change busniess model or our these other sites correct?

Now onto Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Probably depends on exactly which bar. Some may be LB bars with no girls at all. The one I went to with Natty had no LBs. I always peek in the door before entering a bar, especially if Pat Pong or Nana Plaza. Usually it is fairly obvious that LBs are present (if more than the odd one), and I don't even try to see Adam's Apples (too difficult). If a bar has 90%+ girls and the odd LB, I am not so put off like some guys. I just avoid the LBs, as needed. Plenty of bars have LB mamasans or serving staff. No big deal. I am not going to play up with them.

Seeing a guy tongue kissing a LB (or another guy) is a bit hard for me to adapt to. Tend to avert the gaze as conditioned since youth. Fortunately don't see it that often.

It is hard to post pics of my current girls, so pics from yesteryear are easier.

Here is an all natural tall model type, who worked in Voodoo (Nana Plaza). She was so tall that many guys suspected she was a Ladyboy. Only A cups, quite skinny, but beautiful pussy, even if not that well padded. Sorry is a pic of a photo print.

In those days, you could pay the girl a tip in the bar, and she might let you undress her completely for a short time at least (great to check out the body was my spec), even though I think the nude dancing on the stage had already gone from Nana Plaza (nude dancing in Nana was a little earlier I believe).

Looks like I took her all night and probably more than once. Interesting she carries a Photchunanagrom (Dictionary) Thai to English and / or Visa Versa, although by that year, my Thai should have been quite reasonable. Perhaps she was learning English and took opportunity to get my assistance on certain phrases. Her name completely escapes me now but do remember she came from Voodoo. Probably something common like Nit.

Still find her look attractive so my taste has not changed that drastically, I just got more fussy over the years.

In the early 2000's I mainly used soapies (very restricted mongering due to GF), and later moved back to Cowboy as nude dancing had arrived there.

I almost forgot she had a quite white non tanned face, because skin colour is not a big deal for me mostly.

Kings Castle 1 and Kings Castle 2 (Patpong 1): 100% girls. Syzygies, we were at Kings Castle 2. I was with my KC 2 girl #1 at the time and you bumped into Barbara Bach, an old friend of yours. She seemed very happy to see you again. 555.

Kings Corner 1 (Patpong 1 - closest of the Kings bars to Surawong): 50/50 girls & ladyboys. Very weird set up. The girls and the LB's take turns dancing in segregated sets on the stage. My favorite 2017 Kings Castle 2 girl told me she first started working in Kings Corner 1 and then moved quickly to KC2. She said she didn't like working at Kings Corner 1. I can understand why.

Kings Corner 2 (on the side alley connecting Patpong 1 & 2): 100% ladyboys. Really obvious. Even a blindman would immediately know he wasn't in Kansas anymore.

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ThatGuy, I am glad to hear the KC 1 line up is still good. It was very good in October. On your specific girl: they all can't be memorable. It is your 1st night. I was in BKK for 12 nights before I had my 1st NEW memorable; my Atomic Blond and then the hits started rolling in one after another with my super hottie La Belle girl and then with a very cute little muffin from Twister.

BTW, 4300 all-inclusive does not sound too high for KC 1. Kings Castle 1 & 2 have multiple barfine levels. Assuming the barfine was 1400 baht for a top category girl, her price was 2900 baht which is at the top end of the current Go Go girl price range. I assume, however, that you only paid the barfine in advance.

Happy New Year!

[QUOTE=United1;2267389]Hi gents,

Thanks for the intels on THERMAE. Like others said, its literally a cattle call for freelancers. There are 50-100 girls lined up in a horseshoe pattern and the guys go in circles trying to find a date. Mostly Japanese and Korean. Not much place to sit and hang out. No dancing. Very transnational.

Here is my take:

- Between Nana and Asoke MRT on Sukumvit.

- I like this format, because I don't drink and I am usually in bed by 11 pm, so don't want to spend too much time at gogo bars. Just want to find a quick bang and go to sleep. I got in around 9 pm on Friday and was about 60 girls. Can go in and out quickly.

- Quality is across the board. There are stunners and very unattractive. The hot girls know they are hot and will not talk to you. I got a sense its hard to have a good conversation with these girls before agreeing on price and then leaving. So you guys who like to chat up a girl before proposing sex, might not be the place for you.

- Majority Koreans and Japanese who can be quite annoying. I have a darker complexion and most of the girls wouldn't talk to me.

- They claim standard price is 2500-3000 for ST. Not sure how true that is, but what I paid.

I did find a attractive girl. Beautiful face, nice body. Took her back to my place. But when clothes came off, very saggy boobs and 2 kids body. Wish I had spend more time finding a tighter pussy. But did get some DFK, BBBJ, Condom FS and we spent some time in my bathtub, which was nice.[/QUOTE]What you got at the end sounds like about the best anyone could expect for the standard 2500 baht in Thermae. I mean considering the pluses of her face and body and the level of service you got. Not the part about the very saggy boobs and a pussy not as tight as you wanted, of course. There are many times when a punter pays 2500-3000 for a girl in Thermae matching your general description and then discovers back in the room that DFK and BBBJ are no way on the agenda.

And in real world practice with fully clothed P4P girls, how would you find out the truth about their boobs and pussy tightness? Would you get a truthful answer if you asked, "Are your boobs very saggy or perky? Is your pussy tight or loose?" Hell, I rarely get a truthful answer from a clothed P4P girl about the amount of long scraggly hair on her pussy unless she assures me she shaves all if it smooth. LOL. If she says, "Oh, I don't shave there but I only have a little bit of hair anyway," you better sharpen up your machete for a real battle just to find an opening later.

And babies or not don't predict if the girl's pussy is tight or perfectly snug for me. These days I only ask whether a girl has a baby or not just as a matter of conversation and, primarily, to get her to ask me if I have kids too. When I say no, they invariablly ask why not and that is my opening to tell them the reason is I had a vasectomy many years ago and can't make a baby. When asked why I got a vasectomy the answer is because I cannot have sex with a condom. See where this is going?

Sure, some guys' very successful aproach is to just blurt out "I want sex no condom." But if I am chatting with a girl a while, say, over a Lady Drink or 2 in a go-go bar, there is no reason not to fit that into the chat so she is fully prepared for what I would expect from her and would confirm IF I agreed to barfine her soon.

However, that is often not the situation in Thermae. You can chat over a drink or two. But most don't. So I agree with Banana Boi that it is a good idea to discuss the services a girl will provide beforehand if they are important to you, which is generally my style as well.

However, the lineup format makes it difficult to get a positive answer from a girl in Thermae about a True GFE service like BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM. They are not going to agree to that if there is any chance the girl next to her overhears even your whispered question. Maybe a smartphone text and translate works.

I have found sucess in getting Thermae girls to agree to those things after we have stepped outside and are presumably on the way to my apartment. If she says no at that point she can turn around and go back down the stairs to be surveyed by morre Koreans and Japanese who mostly only pass through and seem more to be on a sight seeing tour than a hooker hunt in there to me.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2267799]
On your specific girl: they all can't be memorable. It is your 1st night. I was in BKK for 12 nights before I had my 1st NEW memorable. My Atomic Blond and then the hits started rolling in one after another with my super hottie La Belle girl and then a very cute little muffin from Twister.
[/QUOTE]Pleased to hear that. I almost thought you were close to 100% success rate, were I would be 50% at best in gogo bars. Perhaps you are more polite about it and I get a little more cheesed off by the dud girls. My success rate for girls I would repeat is extremely low for La Belle (maybe only 2 girls ever repeated), and no girls repeated in recent years for the Thermae, meaning all of them were very average down to poor, and surgeries girls never even got selected if I could tell (which rules out a large percentage in La Belle). On other hand my current regular girls have been repeated many many times, so I guess they are the few in the "memorable" category, that have not disappeared.

In my early years at Thermae starting in 1991, from memory almost every girl was memorable, or I just forgot the others completely. Used to find such incredibly sweet and passionate girls. The experience was so superior to my ex Farang wife, it was like going to heaven. I feel they could have hooked a Farang boyfriend quite easily if they wanted to. Still I was only 35 so I guess that helped.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2267801]Pleased to hear that. I almost thought you were close to 100% success rate, were I would be 50% at best in gogo bars. Perhaps you are more polite about it and I get a little more cheesed off by the dud girls. My success rate for girls I would repeat is extremely low for La Belle (maybe only 2 girls ever repeated), and no girls repeated in recent years for the Thermae, meaning all of them were very average down to poor, and surgeries girls never even got selected if I could tell (which rules out a large percentage in La Belle). On other hand my current regular girls have been repeated many many times, so I guess they are the few in the "memorable" category, that have not disappeared.[/QUOTE]Let me explain myself better. For me a girl can be a decent shag, even a pleasurable one, but at the same time not a memorable one. After 30,40 ,50 different girls on a trip, I am not going to remember them all. Only the standouts.

So, on my last swing through SE Asia, I had 20 girls more or less in my top 10, girls I really liked and many of which I repeated with or wanted to see again but could not. These are my memorable girls. When I see a photo of one of them, I instantly recognize the girl and the things we did. Actually, I don't need a photo to recall anything because I think about them. They are on my mind.

So, after these 20 to 25 girls there are another 20 to 30 that were fine, meaning we had decent shags, but nothing to write home about and I would have to look up their names in my field notes or see their picture to jar my memory.

The truth is I only had 2 BAD sessions on my last trip. The 1st one was the Badabing clock watcher in my 1st week. The 2nd was a Chinese girl on my 1st night in Macau on the 10th week of my trip. With that Chinese girl, I was suffering from Sauna sticker shock and made a bad selection based on trying not to spend too much. I knew right away from her body language that I had messed up. It was a very disappointing and inferior shag. Memorable, however, but in a bad way. Ha Ha.

Anyway, after that faux pas, I self-corrected by accepting current Macau prices and stopped worrying about it. Its only money. 555. So fuck it!. And on the very next night I selected a hot Rio Sauna Chinese "super model" and had MEMORABLE TIME with her. Top 10. LOL. I then repeated with her, the "super model" a 2nd time and we are still in touch to this day although I doubt we will ever see each other again. But I want to and that makes her Memorable.

So I think my percentages are high. Maybe I am just a cock eyed optimist, a glass is half full kind of guy, but that is not what my friends, girl friends, and family have been telling me for the last 200 hundred years so I kind of doubt it.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2267804]The truth is I only had 2 BAD sessions on my last trip. The 1st one was the Badabing clock watcher in my 1st week. The 2nd was a Chinese girl on my 1st night in Macau on the 10th week of my trip.[/QUOTE]Why is it, with me at least, that there is a need to get the first few bad experiences out if the way at the start of nearly every trip? As you have said the vast majority of my bad experiences happen early on and then the good ones roll in, with the very best often happening as the time draws to an end.

My eye is often drawn to the stunners upon arrival who inevitably disappoint as my memorable shags are based upon attitude and ability rather than pure looks. Once my eyes are no longer blinded by beauties, I then can seek out the girls who are cute but their real skill set is the ability to have a great time and keep me happy in all sorts of ways.

Obviously, I'm a slow learner because I make to same mistake every trip. 😳 😁.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2267290]Minimum wage varies throughout the US but anyone who shows up to work reliably and works even half hard can easily get a $10 an hour job with no education or skills beyond high school. That works out to 31 k US a year at 60 hours a week and 52 weeks a year for making no investment in your education or developing any skills. Excluding a few places in the world that is a damn fine job for not investing anything and entry level. Also at that level of earning there is a lot of government assistance available.[/QUOTE]Things are harsh in the US. In Australia it would work out to be around AUD $14 per hour based on a 40 hour work week or $566. The minimum wage is about AUD $18 pre tax and with this we do get medical care however Australia is a very high COL country. I always wondered how much Bangkok Thais actually earn. I pegged it at around 300 baht a day and then thought how can lower class motorbike guys go around spending a third of their daily income on a couple of big changs from a 7/11 unless they were really stupid.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2267809]Why is it, with me at least, that there is a need to get the first few bad experiences out if the way at the start of nearly every trip? As you have said the vast majority of my bad experiences happen early on and then the good ones roll in, with the very best often happening as the time draws to an end.

My eye is often drawn to the stunners upon arrival who inevitably disappoint as my memorable shags are based upon attitude and ability rather than pure looks. Once my eyes are no longer blinded by beauties, I then can seek out the girls who are cute but their real skill set is the ability to have a great time and keep me happy in all sorts of ways.

Obviously, I'm a slow learner because I make to same mistake every trip. 😳 😁.[/QUOTE]I keep in touch with the great ones and chat by LINE. I make appointments for when I first arrive and book them for a few nights. By the great ones I mean the ones that have wonderful attitudes and are like GF's. Then after a few days when I'm ready to Rhome I set out for new adventures. Still booking other contacts that I have made by LINE or TF.

I come right out and ask if they are looking for a BF or a customer. Over half reply "up to you" "what do you want"?

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2267865]I keep in touch with the great ones and chat by LINE. I make appointments for when I first arrive and book them for a few nights. By the great ones I mean the ones that have wonderful attitudes and are like GF's. Then after a few days when I'm ready to Rhome I set out for new adventures. Still booking other contacts that I have made by LINE or TF.

I come right out and ask if they are looking for a BF or a customer. Over half reply "up to you" "what do you want"?

RL.[/QUOTE]Means they are a hooker. Does it affect the answer, how many BFs they have already?

What percentage say they are not a hooker or would never take any money? 555 I. E. Totally non commercial meet up.

I think all girls should be paid as hookers, in this context, unless they explicitly say not to, or somehow make it very clear.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2267809]
Obviously, I'm a slow learner because I make to same mistake every trip. [/QUOTE]We can all pick the wrong girl easily enough, so all we can do is take time to try to choose well, and try to develop some choice guidelines. At start of trip you might be a bit too eager. I have the stubbornness that makes me want the prettiest girl, that is regardless of how long in Thailand.

Very inexperienced girls is a big risk.

Girls that like Asian guys when I am Farang is a big risk. I ask girls what sort of guys they like.

Reticent girls is a big risk, as are very prim and proper girls. Horny types are naturally better.

Girls too keen in a big hurry is a big risk.

Overly conservatively dressed girls where cannot see what the body is like is a big risk.

Shy girls may need about 3 drinks to loosen up their self control.

Then I might try to get a kiss. Great kissers are usually okay.

Girls a bit raunchy is probably not a risk unless drunk.

Girls that don't want to cuddle up is too risky.

Does she look like she can enjoy herself?

No rule is absolute. I am not put off by a girl being extra stunning. I am put off if a girl is just average or below.

When a Girl is stunning, my requirements for her skills drop a bit.

I might not even care if her BJ is weak.

My failure rates with stunners are no worse than average, however need to make sure some chemistry is there.

Having regular girls, means I try to give them priority when arriving in Thailand. These are failsafe girls, unless I am too sick to function properly. 555. Always good and not boring for me. Eating bad food fucks up my sex abilities for 2 or 3 days. Found that out recently after eating a bad kebab. Bad virus can do the same. Even something simple like taking cough medicine can desensitise my dick (as well as the throat) and make fucking difficult. We need a lot of things to be going right for us, sometimes, to get the best sex experiences, and that includes plenty of sleep, and don't eat a big meal for sex, or drink much alcohol. These are tips for old guys like me. Maybe if you are young, some of these issues may have no effect.

My sex life improved a lot when I lost 10+ Kilos. Being fit obviously helps a lot too.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2267877]We can all pick the wrong girl easily enough, so all we can do is take time to try to choose well, and try to develop some choice guidelines. At start of trip you might be a bit too eager.[/QUOTE]"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face" - Mike Tyson.

For the first couple of nights I also have a plan, then some gorgeous thing walks past and sucker punches me. A couple of night later the beauty blinkers are on and I'm a bit more rational about choices and selection. 😁.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2267865]I come right out and ask if they are looking for a BF or a customer. Over half reply "up to you" "what do you want"?

RL.[/QUOTE]How do you reply when they answer that?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2267799]Kings Castle 1 and Kings Castle 2 (Patpong 1): 100% girls. Syzygies, we were at Kings Castle 2. I was with my KC 2 girl #1 at the time and you bumped into Barbara Bach, an old friend of yours. She seemed very happy to see you again. 555.

Kings Corner 1 (Patpong 1 - closest of the Kings bars to Surawong): 50/50 girls & ladyboys. Very weird set up. The girls and the LB's take turns dancing in segregated sets on the stage. My favorite 2017 Kings Castle 2 girl told me she first started working in Kings Corner 1 and then moved quickly to KC2. She said she didn't like working at Kings Corner 1. I can understand why.

Kings Corner 2 (on the side alley connecting Patpong 1 & 2): 100% ladyboys. Really obvious. Even a blindman would immediately know he wasn't in Kansas anymore.

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ThatGuy, I am glad to hear the KC 1 line up is still good. It was very good in October. On your specific girl: they all can't be memorable. It is your 1st night. I was in BKK for 12 nights before I had my 1st NEW memorable; my Atomic Blond and then the hits started rolling in one after another with my super hottie La Belle girl and then with a very cute little muffin from Twister.

BTW, 4300 all-inclusive does not sound too high for KC 1. Kings Castle 1 & 2 have multiple barfine levels. Assuming the barfine was 1400 baht for a top category girl, her price was 2900 baht which is at the top end of the current Go Go girl price range. I assume, however, that you only paid the barfine in advance.

Happy New Year![/QUOTE]Happy New Year Natty!

[QUOTE=Goferring;2267809]Why is it, with me at least, that there is a need to get the first few bad experiences out if the way at the start of nearly every trip? As you have said the vast majority of my bad experiences happen early on and then the good ones roll in, with the very best often happening as the time draws to an end.

My eye is often drawn to the stunners upon arrival who inevitably disappoint as my memorable shags are based upon attitude and ability rather than pure looks. Once my eyes are no longer blinded by beauties, I then can seek out the girls who are cute but their real skill set is the ability to have a great time and keep me happy in all sorts of ways.

Obviously, I'm a slow learner because I make to same mistake every trip. 😳 😁.[/QUOTE]I tend to do the same thing. Sometimes I get the good snags with the stunners. The 2nd one I had my eye on had a repeat customer take her. She knew the guy who sat next to me and he BF her. I'd assume she was the good shag stunner that got away. The way she was dancing should of told me something. Oh my my. Tonight will make up for it. I'm going with a proven 3 some for NYE. Teamwork! Teamwork!

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2267603]Average wages in Bangkok is pretty high compared to other areas of Thailand. Currently, the average wage in Bangkok is of 25,500 Thai Baht per month, or approximately 800 USD. (So 1000 B / day).[/QUOTE]Average is a deceiving measure in case of extreme income inequality as in Thailand. If you have 18 people earning 10 k / month and 2 people earning 150 k / month, the average is 25 k. In Thailand, most of the middle-class and almost all the ultra-wealthy are in Bangkok. Median is a better measure of how much a regular person (in the middle of the income distribution) actually earns.

[URL]https://britishcondoms.uk/durex-play-stimulating-massage-2in1-200ml.html[/URL]

Does anyone know if this product is selling in Thailand? Sounds like it is worth a try. I hate to order all the way from UK.

Please advise RL.

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2267902]How do you reply when they answer that?[/QUOTE]I say I'm a customer and I'd like to meet them. Set up a meeting at Starbucks or Holly's and see what shows up. I've been fooled by photos and weight. I show up and they are 10 kilos over weight and the photos was 15 years ago. Then I just get up and leave.

But if they are doable, discuss the price and yes the one's that answer "up to you" are hookers.

So Bubba, what would you do Buddy?

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2268230]I say I'm a customer and I'd like to meet them. Set up a meeting at Starbucks or Holly's and see what shows up. I've been fooled by photos and weight. I show up and they are 10 kilos over weight and the photos was 15 years ago. Then I just get up and leave.

But if they are doable, discuss the price and yes the one's that answer "up to you" are hookers.

So Bubba, what would you do Buddy?

RL.[/QUOTE]I didn't fully understand the line when I first read it but now I get it. Yes I think your plan is a winner.

I am like you in that I have a script prepared and a dozen or so pre canned answers. Scripts get much better results and cuts the time down to a tenth.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2268224][URL]https://britishcondoms.uk/durex-play-stimulating-massage-2in1-200ml.html[/URL]

Does anyone know if this product is selling in Thailand? Sounds like it is worth a try. I hate to order all the way from UK.

Please advise RL.[/QUOTE]I gather this is a gel but you should have said so. Beware of "stimulating" products as girls may find them irritating or claim to be allergic to them.

Why try to make something suitable for both massage and pussy lube? May end up weak for both purposes. Same as why go to a Hair dresser shop if you really wanted a fuck. Might get a bad haircut and a bad fuck.

I am yet to find really great lubes in Thailand. Mostly too sticky and dry up quick, however if anyone knows very superior ones, I would like to hear. I find I can get much better products in Europe, so they go in the suitcase, along with Italian coffee (at a good price) etc.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2268224][URL]https://britishcondoms.uk/durex-play-stimulating-massage-2in1-200ml.html[/URL]

Does anyone know if this product is selling in Thailand? Sounds like it is worth a try. I hate to order all the way from UK.

Please advise RL.[/QUOTE]This website sells my condoms that I've mentioned before, a buck for each if you order 72 isn't too bad. [URL]https://britishcondoms.uk/pasante-unique-bulk-condoms.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2268314] however if anyone knows very superior ones, I would like to hear.[/QUOTE]Astroglide is a good one. It's the one girls in SW are using. They used to sell the small bottle for around 150 baht (very convenient because you can put it in any pocket's trousers) but recently I have been told that they only sell the bigger bottle at around 300 or 400 baht.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2268315]This website sells my condoms that I've mentioned before, a buck for each if you order 72 isn't too bad. [URL]https://britishcondoms.uk/pasante-unique-bulk-condoms.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]I ordered from them before. That is why I get their emails. I didn't like their condoms. I prefer to go with the 03's you can get at 7/11. Thin enough to get the feeling of the pussy. I lack in sensitivity, that I think comes with aging. So I was interested by the ad that says "tinging" it sounds like it aids in the feeling when applied. I assume you apply before you put on the condom so it doesn't get in the pussy. I would try it if I can find somewhere.

Syzygies brings up a good point in that it might irritate the ladies. But I would think that testing was done before release of the product.

Never ever use the condoms that the ladies provide. Cheap and thick. They get them free at clinics I think.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2268460]Never ever use the condoms that the ladies provide. Cheap and thick. They get them free at clinics I think.

RL.[/QUOTE]Good point.

Left Angeles City on Dec. 31 for Bangkok. Met up with Crazy4 Thai in Nana around 8 PM. We visited a couple of his favorite small bars (no Hillary, etc.) and met up with other expats. Man, these bars were serving complimentary delicious Thai food because it's New Year's Eve. I sure had my fill. At around 10 we decided to visit a totally nude go-go joint in Nana Plaza. Funny thing is both of us couldn't remember which bars feature total nude. So we walked through the whole Plaza. Most bars were so full that they shut down the entrances. We finally went into Angelwitch and watched several acts. We were still there when the new year was ushered in. We called it a night around 1 AM. I really had a great time. Crazy4 Thai was great company. He has lived in Thailand for over 7 years. I am looking forward to hooking up with him in Hua Hin on Jan. 5th.

After so much mongering in AC, I wasn't interested in getting laid. I didn't even think of it. Anyway, I only saw one hottie in all of Angelwitch's lineup.

On Jan. 1st, I woke up late, when out for lunch in Bang Rak, then explored the Silom-Patpong area, mostly looking for the restaurants I had looked up on Google and food blogs. Then I went for a 2-hour legit body and foot massage. Had dinner, then got back to the hotel to do some work and write this report.

Tomorrow It' Be Tulip or something. Will report.

Funman13.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2268477] At around 10 we decided to visit a totally nude go-go joint in Nana Plaza. Funny thing is both of us couldn't remember which bars feature total nude. So we walked through the whole Plaza. Most bars were so full that they shut down the entrances. [/QUOTE]Name of the Nude bar? I have not seen any totally nude bars in Nana Plaza since 1990's.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2268460]
Syzygies brings up a good point in that it might irritate the ladies. But I would think that testing was done before release of the product.
[/QUOTE]Some girls fine with any gel. Some extra sensitive and claim a reaction from certain gels but not all. Regardless of the testing.

One Farang girl claimed to be allergic to latex but her condoms were also latex as far as I could tell, so maybe she had problenms with a certain brand coated with some other substance.

Has anyone tried "Issey massage" located just near Siam BTS in the same road as one of the Lek massage places (there are at least 2 in the area). I have walked past them a few times and there are always youngish very cute ladies hanging around outside trying to get you in. I mean some of the younger (18 to 25 ish) ladies are extremely cute!

I looked them up on tripadvisor and there are tons of shocked reviews like "the lady separated me from my boyfriend and then tried to give him a Penis massage for THB 1000" . 555.

Just wondering because they are very cute but come across as a little scammy. Anyone been there?

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2268554]Has anyone tried "Issey massage" located just near Siam BTS in the same road as one of the Lek massage places (there are at least 2 in the area). I have walked past them a few times and there are always youngish very cute ladies hanging around outside trying to get you in. I mean some of the younger (18 to 25 ish) ladies are extremely cute!

I looked them up on tripadvisor and there are tons of shocked reviews like "the lady seperated me from my boyfriend and then tried to give him a Penis massage for THB 1000" . 555.

Just wondering because they are very cute but come across as a little scammy. Anyone been there?[/QUOTE]If they charge 1,000 for a HJ I would avoid it.

Try Magnum Bareskin. Very Comfortable. The thinnest Magnum. Just get them on Amazon or [URL]wallmart.com[/URL].

The super-thin Japanese brands like Crown are too tight and don't have enough lubrication. Overrated.

Separately, Are you planning to go to Rio this year, to compare? I was there in 2006. It was Amazing. Many 9's and 10's with a 10 attitude. Great Party atmosphere in termas.

Judging by the latest reports, Sao Paulo has a lot more 9's and 10's now and Rio has become a second choice for mongering in Brazil. I am just curious how Rio is these days and would rather hear it from you. All your reports are very informative and well written. You could be Rick Steves for mongers.

Happy New Year!

The other day I was reminded of an anecdote I may or may not have already shared with the readers of this forum. Some Western tourist was talking about how he had been accosted repeatedly by a motley array of ladies, all of them excitedly calling out to him: "lady boom boom!" Now the poor fellow evidently didn't get it and then, unbelievably, ventured to suggest that Lady boom boom must be the patron saint of Thailand.

Well, if that is so, then I have found a perfect match: Tik at Kasalong. If not a saint at least she is the blowjob queen of Bangcock. She takes that long, smooth Viking horse cock all the way down her throat. Besides she is not bad looking. At thirty something she is in fact very attractive with a very firm body and a face to match.

Tonight I went back to KL and took Shirley, She was having a snack with her friends. Most of the other ladies were not nearly as good looking. To be on the safe side I carefully inspected what little remained of the food they had been eating, making sure there was no hot sauce. I love pik nam pa as much as anyone but it is not conducive to a good blowjob.

Now Shirley is cute as a button. I kind of think I took her about a year ago. But I would have remembered a name like Shirley, right. Maybe she worked next door under another name. So she promised she had not eaten anything spicy, then gargled with mouthwash BUT the mouthwash kind of irritated my willie. Now junior is kind of tired these days but Shirley helped me along very nicely with her mouth. I unbuttoned her tight-fitting blouse and uncovered those perky little school girl boobies of hers. Very nice. Next time I plan to take her upstairs.

Nothing like that at Crazy House I arrived at bit early around seven and it took until abut 7. 30 until I saw any T&A. And the girls were not very pretty at all, and all shaved. Not like last New Year's eve.

Cheers!

SZ,

You may be correct. I usually hang out in Soi Cowboy for that. That's probably why we cannot remember!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2268516]Name of the Nude bar? I have not seen any totally nude bars in Nana Plaza since 1990's.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;2268704]Happy New Year!

The other day I was reminded of an anecdote I may or may not have already shared with the readers of this forum. Some Western tourist was talking about how he had been accosted repeatedly by a motley array of ladies, all of them excitedly calling out to him: "lady boom boom!" Now the poor fellow evidently didn't get it and then, unbelievably, ventured to suggest that Lady boom boom must be the patron saint of Thailand.

Well, if that is so, then I have found a perfect match: Tik at Kasalong. If not a saint at least she is the blowjob queen of Bangcock. She takes that long, smooth Viking horse cock all the way down her throat. Besides she is not bad looking. At thirty something she is in fact very attractive with a very firm body and a face to match.

Tonight I went back to KL and took Shirley, She was having a snack with her friends. Most of the other ladies were not nearly as good looking. To be on the safe side I carefully inspected what little remained of the food they had been eating, making sure there was no hot sauce. I love pik nam pa as much as anyone but it is not conducive to a good blowjob.[/QUOTE]I liked the choice at kasa too. Had a great BJ from slim and petite Som. Wish I'd taken her upstairs at the time. V cute. Also Muoy was more rotund but good head.

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[QUOTE=Syzygies;2266988]Sorry that is not logical. Very top gogo girl that is very popular with lots of regulars and multiple STs per night can make 150 K Baht per month. That still doesn't compare to the really rich people in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I didn't mention the very rich people. I just compared them to highly paid professionals such as doctors, lawyers, accountants, etc. A stripper in the USA can make just as much as those types and sometimes more. Gogo girls are in a similar position in Bangkok where they can make as much as those same professionals in Thailand. Seems fair to me. To compare the money a gogo girl makes to what the lowest paid person in Thailand makes doesn't equate. They become hookers for a reason. For the big money they will make. If they made minimum wage, they wouldn't be doing it.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2266933]Without telling us the actual number, I will be surprised that is the general case.

This means they are doing better and richer than the US workers because everything is cheaper here. It also implies Korean, HK, Japan, or Taiwan are all doing better than US. Some of these East Asia countries hire a lot of workers from Southeast Asia countries for about $800 a month working 6 days a week. A friend of mine has 5 maids. I know I will take about 40% salary cut if I transfer to Asia.[/QUOTE]I agree that the local Thais who have good jobs are doing better than US workers in the exact same position given their salary compared to cost of living and quality of life.

However, there are still US companies who pay expats a bonus to work in Thailand. Our company pays an extra 15%, free housing, free car and driver and maid (s), free school for your kids, and tax free salary to work in Thailand. Getting those jobs is not easy though because the list of guys who want those jobs is long.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2266988]American strippers make a lot maybe because there is so little alternative to them. The money thrown at them is ridiculous right? When they don't even have to fuck. Here, many guys are boycotting gogo bar girls because they have viable cheaper alternatives, e. G. 1 K street walkers on Soi 4 for a quickie, or MPs like Tulip, SW, etc. Comparisons with the US don't make a lot of sense to me, especially as I don't live there and visit rarely. Levels of the law and morality are different. Supply of hookers is far different. I have never had a fuck in the USA, as far as I remember (or definitely not a memorable one), and may have wasted a bit it on black hot strippers in San Francisco.[/QUOTE]Every city in the states is different in terms of what the girls do and how much they earn. All depends on the availability of jobs and the overall economy. Detroit for example, anything goes in many clubs and some very hot strippers can be had in the $100 to $150 range. My buddies won't even consider paying for a flight since talent can be had at their doorstep.

All,

Going to be nearby on a business trip and have the opportunity to fly into BKK for a short weekend. I have longed to go to Thailand forever. I have been to China many times and love Asian women. This is definitely a bucket list item for me. To those of you that have been to BKK, would you go to visit for just short of 2 days? The money for the flight is not an issue. I would arrive on a Friday at 07:20 and leave on Saturday at 20:30. Consider airport transfers in this. Is it worth it?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2268824]I agree that the local Thais who have good jobs are doing better than US workers in the exact same position given their salary compared to cost of living and quality of life.

However, there are still US companies who pay expats a bonus to work in Thailand. Our company pays an extra 15%, free housing, free car and driver and maid (s), free school for your kids, and tax free salary to work in Thailand. Getting those jobs is not easy though because the list of guys who want those jobs is long.[/QUOTE]I think it is safe to say in general US owned multinational corporations pay more to regular local Thai employees than the local Thai corporations.

If a job can not be done by a Thai employee, and must be done by an US employee, the pay will be comparable or more than in the US. A corporation usually will not send someone to foreign country to do a job that local can do if it costs that much more and that is not what we are discussing.

[QUOTE=SexySlideGuy;2268836]All,

Going to be nearby on a business trip and have the opportunity to fly into BKK for a short weekend. I have longed to go to Thailand forever. I have been to China many times and love Asian women. This is definitely a bucket list item for me. To those of you that have been to BKK, would you go to visit for just short of 2 days? The money for the flight is not an issue. I would arrive on a Friday at 07:20 and leave on Saturday at 20:30. Consider airport transfers in this. Is it worth it?[/QUOTE]Bangkok is an EXPERIENCE not to be missed. In China it is all hush hush and hidden behind closed doors (and gone downhill of late). In Bangkok it is all on wild display with literally hundreds of girls for the choosing and a garish carnival atmosphere. Nothing quite like it. Stay downtown and do Cowboy or Nana or both.

If you want to do Cowboy I was super happy with the Continent hotel. It's literally two blocks from Soi Cowboy but you'the never know it. Boutique hotel, class act. Girl friendly.

But whatever you do don't skip BKK. Have two or three girls Friday and another couple Saturday (depending on your budget) Worth it for sure. Even if you only do one or two girls the experience is a bucket list item.

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I slept the day away and some of the night. I think I needed it considering the 25 hour flight and getting 4 hours sleep the last two nights. I woke up at midnight and rushed to the shower and headed down to Nana.

First stop was billboard. Wow! This place was full of ladies that were of my taste. Skinny, big booties and natural breasts. Well except the lady I got sat in front of she had visible fake breasts with scars underneath to match. I was sat at the table on the right and the place was crowded. My table had some Japanese guy throwing money to the ladies every few minutes. The ladies I had my eye on were dancing on left stage. Couldn't get a seat in that area and was hard to check them out from my seat. With time limited I decided to try my luck somewhere else and plan to return to billboards earlier on day 5.

I wondered over to RB4. LB's galore. I had my eye on what seemed like a Japanese mixed girl. Waitress says she only like Japanese men. So I left a half a drink and moved over to twister.

Upon entering twister I had a lady smiling at me as I walked past. Getting no attention from my first two stops and feeling the buzzer closing in I decided to offer a drink. This was a mistake on my part. I will place part of the blame on being half asleep and running out of time. Immediately she starts talking about hotel. I push back and say I don't know. In retrospect I should of had her go away. I wasn't feeling it and another girl had gotten on stage that fit the part. I pulled the trigger. 1000 baht to bar and 3 k to girl. We get to the hotel and shower. She starts giving me a HJ. She spoke little English but we communicated through app. She said no BJ because something with her mouth. No kissing or DATY. Again, this was my own fault for not discussing this prior to BF. I kindly tell her no HJ and grab a condom. Aerobics followed and she kept doing this halfway pulling away thing to where I couldn't go all the way in. We went from Doggy to putting her on her stomach to missionary and same thing. I almost gave up and told her to go but I got her into doggy a second time and had better control. She relinquished a bit and I was able to complete the impossible task at hand. Upon finishing she wants to add me on line and says you come to twister tomorrow. She may be upset when I take her nice booty co-worker but what would one expect? Sophia

Day 5 will be in BKK. I'm going to start out at some soapy yet to be decided on and make my way back to billboards early. I'd like to get that sexy billboard lady they advertise on FB all the time. Report soon come. It's taking lot of time to complete reports sorry if I'm missing replies. Not enough time in the day.

[QUOTE=SexySlideGuy;2268836]All,

Going to be nearby on a business trip and have the opportunity to fly into BKK for a short weekend. I have longed to go to Thailand forever. I have been to China many times and love Asian women. This is definitely a bucket list item for me. Is it worth it?[/QUOTE]Just 1 night? Don't skimp. Book a room at the Landmark and pay extra to check in early. Start the day off right with any lady from Bangkok Gold Escorts. You'll get natural tits, DKF, a great BBBJ and CIM. Then later walk around the corner to Nana and head up to Billboard. Arrive at 8:30 - 9 pm. Buy the mamasan ("Mama the") a drink and feast your eyes on all the slender hotties. Maybe bar fine 2 and have a double back in your room. For breakfast book a lady from smooci, then finish off with a nuru massage with Uru (great body!) at Mitu in the afternoon. Live large. Invest in experiences.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2268725]SZ,

You may be correct. I usually hang out in Soi Cowboy for that. That's probably why we cannot remember![/QUOTE]I am not ashamed to say that I am a very poor guide for the gogo scene. I might take one look a year here or there with no real preference. I too liked Crazy House in the early days but the amount of smoke in there ultimately drove me away. Angelwitch did a fairly entertaining little show with some brief full nudity. I commented on the poor lighting and Funman replied "because they are all old". Comparatively speaking he is certainly right. It did look like they were eager to engage rather than just doing the bored shuffle.

[QUOTE=SexySlideGuy;2268836] I would arrive on a Friday at 07:20 and leave on Saturday at 20:30. Consider airport transfers in this. Is it worth it?[/QUOTE]If this is just a side trip and you only have hand luggage then I would take the train to Masakan station and transfer to the metro. Only 1 stop to Asok / Sukhumvit. Just make sure you have some small change for the metro. By the time you're of the pland and trough customs you would probably hit moring peak hour going into BKK, so the train is probably the best option.

I've done heaps of 2 day trips to BKK, the last one about 4 weeks ago, for visa runs from the surrounding countries.

As promised, I'm back with my post. It was rather a short stay, but I managed to experience as mush as I can.

I'll try to give you the details my days in bkk, hope it won't be too much.

BKK 27.

My plane landed at late night of 27, it's around 02:00, 28 when I arrived at the hotel. Luckily, Davin Hotel is 2 minutes from the Nana, so I decided to give a try, to see if there are any girls left for me.

I gave a quick tour of the whole 3 levels and noticed many of them were almost empty (few girls) or refused new entry (like rainbow 4). So I finally sat down in the first club near the entrance which was lollipop (close at 3).

There were about 7-8 girls dancing and and I surprisingly found 2 of them were charming enough to give a try. Regarding the late arrival, Thats a good start for me!

I made a quick decision to take one cute young nice see-cup (I normally don't take silicon) girl. I remembered to pay 900 bar fine and 3000 for ST (could be some differences, I was really tired after the long flight).

P.S. Most of the tail girls are relatively short, from 1. 50-160, a few for 1. 65 or above. Usually A cup or silicon cup. And I don't understand why 80% of them wear tooth braces.

We went back to the hotel, front desk asked for girl's ID card. Later I leant that they will call to make sure everything's fine when girl's leaving then give it back, which is nice to us.

We had a good time together. Talking, Joking, then she gave me a great blowjob and sex though she claimed only worked for 1 month LOL.

I believed she's trying to stay longer, she asked several when I'll get up in the morning and kept showing her FB posts to me. But I was too tired to continue our conversation. She left with 500 tip.

BKK 28.

28 was my only full day in the city, so I made a full plan: 13:00, escort from Absolute-Angel-Bangkok agency, 17:00 Maria spa, 21:00 nana Again.

I booked one vip escort Tina which cost me 8,000 for 2 h. She was beautiful and great attitude but with limited skills (she told me she worked in restaurant), so it was rather an average experience and not worth the money. But this agency has many good reviews online, so probably I just made the wrong pick.

Maria spa. I arrived around 17:30, there were about 15-20 girls and same number of customers. Price range from 5000-13500 (M to PR). As I was told, in Maria I can find the top beauty in bkk and I did. There were 2-3 model type that I would like to take at first glance without even thinking about the money. I picked one slim tall PR girl who claimed to work in real estate and only came as part time job. She's apparently well educated and had the best English skill I met during the trip, so I took her story. It's a good time, though the part-time girl could not provide the top service. But taking the price into account, I shall not return soon.

So finally I returned to Nana, one local friend took me to several of his fav bar: Rainbow 2(40-50 girls at least) and 4(same amount), twister(2 stage around 50), billboard(1 stage and 1 bathtub, 40-50) etc. this day was friday, tons of girls and of course tons of customers.

I must say Rb 4 has the best beauty as many mentioned, and I also found at least 2-3 gems in every other bars I visited. It was tough decision to make and I finally took one petite from Br 2, one girl looked friendly and honest.

p.s. I also took a short tour before taking any girl out to the famous Tamee. 100-150 girls stands in circle in the room, and even more men walk like taking a sight scene with beer or something in hand. The room was crowded as hell. I was told there are mostly part-time worker, with the most diversity. It was lot fun for me, and there were good girls. I highly recommend you to at least have a look there.

In the room, she seemed to have great interests in my body and kept kissing me everywhere. Acting or not, she made me satisfied. However, when We just started for 3 minutes, her period came without any expectation (we noticed that while changing position). She was frightened and so was I. She said she had pills regularly and last period was just 2 weeks ago. Anyway, we stoped. She returned money to me, I let her keep it but she really insisted so and told me she could call her friend to replace her. At last, I gave her 1000 taxi fee and she left me her line number. All right, what an unexpected night. Since I had 2 times in the daytime, it didn't me long to fall asleep.


The next day, 29, I rent a car to Pattaya and stayed there for the rest 3 nights. I'll post the story in the Pattaya of course. Anything in my post that may interest you, please let me know.

Part 1 was in the massage thread but as I said I went back for the lady billboards always advertises in the FB pics. The Japanese eyed one.

I roll into nana place about 740. Billboards isn't going yet. I hung out on the patio down the way and contemplated looking in twister for the lady I should of got last night but I stuck it out bc I didn't want to miss out on the FB pic girl. Well actually they have 2 that has drove me bonkers for the last 3 months but the Japanese eyed looking one was my #1.

Billboards opened up about 815 and the lady was nowhere to be seen. Really only about 15 girls dancing to start with. 11 on the hot tub side and 4 dancing on other stage. I had one beer and mamasan came around. I tell waitress I want to buy her a drink. Then mamasan brings a sexy bodied lady over and sits her down. Looking closer her teeth are jacked. Oh no! I must get out of this situation. At this point I'd say 40 ladies were in the house but not the 2 I was after. I ended up buying waitress one and a 2nd for mamasan. Mamasan come and sits with me and asks if I want to take lady home. I said no and showed her pic on my phone of the 2 ladies I was interested in. She immediately takes off and says hold on. She went looking for the non Japanese eyed one and came up short. I told her I really wanted the Japanese eyed lady anyways. Again, she takes off. She was shooting over everywhere searching. She comes back and says lady will be right here. I had already looked at every lady in sight. She wasn't there. So I had my doubts. Out of nowhere here she comes.

I barfined her and really considering my experience with stunners I wasn't expecting much but was actually quite surprised. She wanted to do nana short time room but I insisted on going back to my room. It was only a few blocks down the road. We jumped in a taxi and made it painless. I don't speak thai but I've tried to learn for the past year and could tell taxi driver and her was talking shhh in some way. They were laughing away and I saw this as a bad sign.

Once we were in the room and showered she allowed some DATY to warm her up. Was a little hairy but I soldiered through it. She actually gave a decent BBBJ. Shocker! We then started a aerobics course. Overall mediocre performance on her part but it wasn't as bad as I was expecting. I know 10's don't exist around here but that girl is a 9. 9 on looks alone in my opinion. All natural from what I could tell. Not good at telling nose jobs so that could be one exception.

Overall, I'd certainly repeat. I mean wow! Sexy as hell! My only regret was not leaving the lights on and having those sexy eyes stare up at me during BBBJ. Maybe having her sexy ass voice talking during aerobics would of been a great idea. Pure sexy!

Off to Jakarta tomorrow for 6 days

After a two year hiatus I arrived BKK tonight about midnight. Nice to be back in the real "land of the free". I didn't have real high hope since I arrived the scene about 2 AM. But there was one smokin' hot girl I'd like to know if any seniors can provide info. She's at the bar with the sign "100% Girls Only" or something like that hanging over the door upstairs at Nana Plaza. I'm constantly bobbing in and out of these places and don't really pay much attention to the names of the bars. Might have been Billboard. For my taste the girl is a 9 out of 10 and I'm a pretty fussy MF. Her number is 152. I stared at her the entire set and although she smiled she would not come over when the drink lady asked her. Obviously I'm lacking MP game. Or youth. Or ethnicity. It certainly isn't money because I just wanted to buy her a drink and meet her tonight. OK LOL admittedly I probably would have found the money if she was friendly and interested. I asked mama if she goes with American man mama said yes she goes with all man. Anyone know this girl? I came home empty tonight but I'll be well rested tomorrow. I'm going to try her again. Just FYI I'm the guy that will take a 9 body lame performer over a 7 PSE performer. That's what works for me!

It was light in there the last several nights, but tonight a decent chunk of the girls returned though it was a veritable Japanese sausage fest in there. (soseji -sai!

Though most girls there pay little to no attention to gai-jin, one for whatever reason gave me a very nice smile and then continued to kind of "reel me in", as I played a little coy but returned her smiles.

Finally, I pull her off to the table for a little talking. She works at a call center, and her English was limited. The offer was 2. 5 K baht for non rushed short time. She was cute, I got nice vibes from her and decided to roll the dice.

Despite the language barrier, I managed to communicate that I don't perform well encased in rubber, and BBFS was immediately agreed to once I immediately agreed not to cum inside.

(seems to me the CIP fetishists should at least cover the cost of the morning after pill, no?? Or provide one to the girl?)

Very lean lady, rock hard nipples, gave her DATY and a nice orgasm, then I enjoyed her for quite some time without any questions about when I'm coming, or "come with me", etc.

Just great sex for as long as I wanted while she was busy also doing something I asked her to do (and she did it so well!

Not quite the wild experience as with the last one, but nonetheless extremely enjoyable.

She told me I had "jai dee" - (this means she found me kind) I was happy and she was happy because I treated her well and I gave her a small tip (3 K total). In sum, everyone was happy and that's what it should be all about.

Thermae remains worth checking out. Though it can be intimidating for gaijin. For residents or longer term visitors, it would probably be useful to go there and just stick one's head in for a week. Because SOME of these girls are "professional freelancers" - whereas others are actual part timers. (of course they will all tell you they are part timers LOL).

[QUOTE=Catire;2269401]Thermae remains worth checking out. Though it can be intimidating for gaijin. For residents or longer term visitors, it would probably be useful to go there and just stick one's head in for a week. Because SOME of these girls are "professional freelancers" - whereas others are actual part timers. (of course they will all tell you they are part timers LOL).[/QUOTE]I can assure you, that 80% of the same girls are there every week.

Was not planning to take any session at all at this point but as I walked along soi 4 past Nana Plaza and down the street there is a bar at a corner of a building, just before a square on the right side. I recall seeing a lot of Hillary signs but I don't think this bar is a Hillary bar.

Anyway.

I walked by and an absolute angel IMO appears on my right side.

She was sitting outside the bar just looking at people passing by.

I didn't know if she was working there or not but I knew I had to find out.

I went inside the bar and picked a seat facing the street.

After about 3 minutes the angel turned towards me and smiled. I smiled back.

Conversation began and she tells me she started working at bar just 3 weeks ago. Believable? Maybe not.

But she was (is) beautiful.

Her name is Bee and 27 years old. She has very limited English skills but we managed to communicate well enough anyway.

I asked if she wants to go with me and she said yes, but I need to pay her barfine which was 500 baht.

I did and we started walking to my hotel. This is when I realized that we haven't discussed what she is willing to do, for how long and for what price. This could be a mistake I thought, but ok, too late to bail now.

We arrive at the hotel and she said let's shower together.

She revealed a beautiful body. Gave an amazing BBBJ in the shower and we proceeded to the bed.

More BBBJ as I fingered her pussy and she was soaking wet.

The only downside was an all natural pussy, I don't think she ever shaved it. But never mind, just no DATY when there is so much hair. She was so eager to have a dick inside her that I had to stop her to put on a condom.

I am not in to BBFS with girls I don't know. We continued in every position imaginable until she came twice and me once.

Showered again and cuddled in bed. She showed no sign in wanting to leave so I asked if she wanted to stay all night, she smiled and said yes. We both fell asleep quickly and slept all night. When we woke up she immediately started round 2 and I was not going to let her down.

She never asked for any money except the bar fine, but I gave her a generous tip and she was very happy.

An amazing girl that I will definitely repeat with if I have the chance.

Safe mongering.

[QUOTE=JAKarl;2269433]She never asked for any money except the bar fine, but I gave her a generous tip and she was very happy.
[/QUOTE]Newbies can be shy to ask for it, but if bar fineable it shows they are fucking for money and expect something like the going rate. So I hope generous tip means paid her as normal.

Old Dutch on Soi Cowboy lease expired. Restaurant is shut down and construction work is occurring. Don't go there to eat! Finally I think the rumoured expansion of Crazy House is underway, most likely.

I had thought that CH had declined too much to be worth expanding however at 1 AM last night it was quite full, and even line up was a bit better than I had been used to last year. Two or 3 doable girls for me, being rather fussy, about face and body. One good looking girl would have had to be ruled out as her sillies were just too silly like half coconuts inside. A good job is acceptable to me, but why do some girls go get a horror job, when they are otherwise very nice looking. Mystifying to me. Seems that too much is just not enough. All up saw about 3 or 4 really horrible implant jobs and a few other a bit more reasonably shaped.

I see that Sahara bar appears to have Ladyboys (sitting in the front) and girls, Five Star has both girls and ladyboys these days, and then there is "Cock-or-two" bar.

So in the modern day, Cowboy is no longer a place safe from Ladyboys.

I am told the LBs in Five Star are Post Op. However very obvious ladyboys, so no one would be fooled I thought. Ging a girl that works there told me the LBs are particularly popular with Chinese and Japanese customers, and she claims many guys can't tell they are LBs. I guess the look similar to many Baccara girls due to coloured and styled hair and the surgeries. Exaggerated movements. Not the look I go for at all. She says they are girls now because have had the Op to make a pussy. I don't get it though, having never thought of trying a LB. Dicks come in different sizes, and real pussies are very stretchable and have muscles to squeeze as well. I doubt that a fake pussy can stretch to accommodate different sized dicks. Perhaps many customers take the ass inside.

I need really beautiful pussy. I reckon even if I was blind, doing DATY could easily tell if a pussy was real. Of course I usually stick fingers in as well. Did a new girl (first time BFed by me) from 5 star. Line up down a bit for new year. My usual stunning body girl there, was absent so tried Kaan (Garn) instead. Pretty Issan face (for exotic look), and good curvy body, ass nice enough, and small waist, pretty bald pussy (naked dancing), unfortunately saggy tits possibly from childbirth (although did not see tummy stretch marks). Normally saggy tits put me off so had to make a big compromise. They are not so obvious when lying down. Would not be first time I accepted saggy tits. She was a good fuck (pussy tight enough and needed to stretch) and not dick scared. Perhaps does not have a baby and tits just small and saggy anyway. A bit of a screamer during sex (not like acting though), so Japanese customers might like that. 555.

Ging has great tits but unfortunately works as Coyote these days, she says will go do a HJ (no fucking anymore), but I am not into HJs. I suppose I could get her drunk and insist on clothes off, and see what happens. In addition to a few ladyboys, 5 star has now introduced the ugly shows like firing darts at balloon, and pussy opening bottle of soda, performed by the fat ugly girls (probably same girls who do shows in CH). Can't stand these shows. Makes me want to leave in a hurry, and possibly not go to the bar anymore. I really only go there to take the nude perfect body girl who wasn't there. Music is still pretty horrible but not as bad as when CH first opened in Five Star. Perhaps after the CH expansion, 5 star will be sold again, or some other change. Not many western customers in there since the Ladyboys were introduced. They are not doing it right to attract expats really, other than nude girls, and possibility to molest the girls.

I had intended to be doing my regular Lao girl privately, but she had gone home as needs an urgent operation for severe medical condition. Will be very bad luck if I loose her permanently as very pretty model type and a perfect pussy, and quite orgasmic in DATY and cowgirl positions. Regulars drop off from time to time, and it is quite disturbing when they are liked well enough to be like a 2nd or 3rd GF.

Maybe tonight I will check which Nana bar has nudity, or was that a fake report we got, and he was really in Cowboy, but forgot where he was. Sorry, I am always a bit sceptical till see it for myself. Just a very sceptical type. Guess I have to RTFF to see if anyone already named the bar.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2269440]Newbies can be shy to ask for it, but if bar fineable it shows they are fucking for money and expect something like the going rate. So I hope generous tip means paid her as normal.[/QUOTE]Syzygies.

I gave her just a bit more than I would normally pay for for LT. I am sure it is a little bit more than she normally gets as well.

I am happy, I think she is happy as well because she just added me to her Line.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2269454]Old Dutch on Soi Cowboy lease expired. Restaurant is shut down and construction work is occurring. Don't go there to eat! Finally I think the rumoured expansion of Crazy House is underway, most likely.

I had thought that CH had declined too much to be worth expanding however at 1 AM last night it was quite full, and even line up was a bit better than I had been used to last year. Two or 3 doable girls for me, being rather fussy, about face and body. One good looking girl would have had to be ruled out as her sillies were just too silly like half coconuts inside.

-snip-[/QUOTE]Syzy, a few weeks ago I posted that I was surprised to see a handful of good looking girls, maybe some of the better looking girls in Crazy House at the time, dancing in the upstairs area. Just yesterday a visiting USA friend of mine who is not into this site mentioned that he was in Crazy House for the first time over the New Years weekend and thought the girls upstairs were generally better looking than the girls downstairs. And I would consider him a picky guy on girls' looks and age. Did you happen to check out the upstairs area in your latest visit?

I wonder if CH is trying a different tack to deal with the always jam packed downstairs area by moving some of the better looking girls upstairs to draw customers up there even when the place isn't packed with customers, pretty much the reversal of what they had been doing previously.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2269471]Syzy, a few weeks ago I posted that I was surprised to see a handful of good looking girls, maybe some of the better looking girls in Crazy House at the time, dancing in the upstairs area. Just yesterday a visiting USA friend of mine who is not into this site mentioned that he was in Crazy House for the first time over the New Years weekend and thought the girls upstairs were generally better looking than the girls downstairs. And I would consider him a picky guy on girls' looks and age. Did you happen to check out the upstairs area in your latest visit?

I wonder if CH is trying a different tack to deal with the always jam packed downstairs area by moving some of the better looking girls upstairs to draw customers up there even when the place isn't packed with customers, pretty much the reversal of what they had been doing previously.[/QUOTE]Well you might be right. Previously the older girls, girls with baby damage, fatties, ugly show girls etc. Were upstairs, and naturally not many guy would want to go upstairs, unless took their hotty upstairs with them, to find a nice relaxed spot for molestation.

I did not yet check upstairs this year, but should do so. Messaged a CH girl today to see if she wants to visit me. She lives quite close to where I am staying. Some bars have been quiet. Tough time of year and girls have to pay the rent (even if late).

Anyone know if Ruamchit Plaza sets aside some ST rooms for Thermae customers even when the hotel is sold out? Are the ST rooms still 500 baht?

[QUOTE=JAKarl;2269463]Syzygies.

I gave her just a bit more than I would normally pay for for LT. I am sure it is a little bit more than she normally gets as well.
[/QUOTE]Okay What you wrote before was a bit ambiguous mentioning a tip only. Many girls try to psychologically evaluate a customer as a generous type or a stingy type. Sometimes the girl will take a gamble and not negotiate a price, hoping to get more out of generous guys in a good mood, after a great experience. Of course a girl could negotiate a price and hope for extra tip after good performance, however many girls know they get more by not negotiating a price. That is why I often have no negotiation with a girl newly trying, just like last night. No price was set.

If the girl thinks the guy is going to be stingy, either by ethic origin, reputation in the bar, or general personality, she probably won't risk it, and negotiate a price. I think when I try a bargirl, a moderately low percentage of them set a price, and often it is a sign of perhaps the girl will not be that great, or does not really like the guy that much, or thinks he scores a little too high on the "asshole" scale. If guy is highly not trusted, he might get asked to pay upfront, and often mamasans are trying this. Again, it could be an indicator of a girl with crappy performance too.

Natty Bumpo is a guy in the bar (and buddy) who is fun and not stingy type by appearance. I bet he hardly ever has to negotiate with the girl for the price in Nana and Cowboy bars. I don't recall asking him how often he negotiated but I reckon can guess not much.

Even after the deed is all done, girls prefer not to have to ask for the money, but give the guy every chance to pay without being asked. Once in a while I forgot to pay (not often), and girl gave me a little subtle reminder, and in rare occasions the girl forgot as well, and I had to message her later that I would pay her the next day, if I had the contact details. Some guys would never return to the girl and be happy they got a freebie, but that is not me. I don't like to take advantage of people and rip them off.

When we barfine a girl, even if price is not discussed, there is an unwritten contract to pay fairly, provided the sex is provided of course. We do have more option to pay more if service is great, and less if we cancel out after a few minutes of shitty service, though. I like that. I won't pay the standard if she made it too difficult to get a decent fuck out of her.

I always treat a girl well, if I want to repeat her, that way can send her LINE message to come and fuck me, no need to discuss the price. Its still a lot cheaper than going to a bar, paying for drinks and barfine and girl's fee. Today, the CH girl comes late afternoon, and she owes me 1K from when she was desperate with nothing to buy food possibly sick and not working, so I just deduct that from the price. Not good to give girls a lot in advance or might never see them again. Make it like she will always need me at least as a fall back, and similarly I might need her as a fallback when other major regulars are not available. Some drinks to loosen her shyness and she is a goer on the bed. Hell of a nuisance I can't buy alcohol between 2pm and 5pm. They never allowed for needing booze to loosen up girls visiting us in the afternoon. Ha ha . Perhaps Hotels will still sell it? I don't need the alcohol myself. Never shy and prefer to drink after the sex because it desensitizes the dick and makes erections last less long. As I am slow to cum, and like an extended fuck, I need dick to be at its best sensitivity. Guys that pop too fast are the reverse and should drink alcohol first to dampen down the dick feeling a bit.

Another girl reported my girl has a crop of pimples. I am yet to see. If girls use suspect face creams not sold in proper stores or pharmacies, like steroid creams, they can risk bad face reactions to it, or reactions when stop using it. Possibly a useless piece of trivia, but don't let your girls buy face creams of unknown composition from suspect sources. Lancôme is incredibly over priced but I never saw a girl have allergic reaction to it. I am sure there are cheaper safe creams too. Not an expert.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2269373]After a two year hiatus I arrived BKK tonight about midnight. Nice to be back in the real "land of the free". I didn't have real high hope since I arrived the scene about 2 AM. But there was one smokin' hot girl I'd like to know if any seniors can provide info. She's at the bar with the sign "100% Girls Only" or something like that hanging over the door upstairs at Nana Plaza. I'm constantly bobbing in and out of these places and don't really pay much attention to the names of the bars. Might have been Billboard. For my taste the girl is a 9 out of 10 and I'm a pretty fussy MF. Her number is 152. I stared at her the entire set and although she smiled she would not come over when the drink lady asked her. Obviously I'm lacking MP game. Or youth. Or ethnicity. It certainly isn't money because I just wanted to buy her a drink and meet her tonight. OK LOL admittedly I probably would have found the money if she was friendly and interested. I asked mama if she goes with American man mama said yes she goes with all man. Anyone know this girl? I came home empty tonight but I'll be well rested tomorrow. I'm going to try her again. Just FYI I'm the guy that will take a 9 body lame performer over a 7 PSE performer. That's what works for me![/QUOTE]"Obviously I'm lacking MP game. " misprint I guess. Forum software can change what you typed. Would help if you were giving names of bars, but sounds like Billboard. I don't know numbers and probably only admired her myself. As yet tried very few.

You probably would have found the money? A strange statement. Makes you sound more like something other than American. Girls can have many reasons for not coming over. Could have an appointment to meet some other regular guy of hers, or is racist, or feeling sick, or anything. Hard to be sure. I have had cases when girls would not come over because 4 different guys all asked for the same girl, and she got too stressed out by it all, and possibly none of the guys appealed that much by look from a distance. Girls tell me I look a grumpy, not smiling. Actually they don't know me. I could be in a really good mood, just did not find anything really funny at the time. Other girls come to me uninvited. I hardly give them even a glance, so I am not friendly to all, only my target girls. So girls vary tremendously in whether they will come to guy easily or not. Demand for the girl is a factor. Best girls can be hard to get too.

[QUOTE=Faceless78;2269196]
In the room, she seemed to have great interests in my body and kept kissing me everywhere. Acting or not, she made me satisfied. However, when We just started for 3 minutes, her period came without any expectation (we noticed that while changing position). She was frightened and so was I. She said she had pills regularly and last period was just 2 weeks ago. Anyway, we stoped. She returned money to me, I let her keep it but she really insisted so and told me she could call her friend to replace her. At last, I gave her 1000 taxi fee and she left me her line number. All right, what an unexpected night. Since I had 2 times in the daytime, it didn't me long to fall asleep.
.[/QUOTE]I have a lot of experience with blood since youth. It does not bother me that much. Period can smell bad, but if not, it is not big deal for me. Condom is there, or even BBFS with trusted partner that gets tested or does not have lots of BBFS partners.

Probably actually not a period. Uterus damage happens a lot and bleeding occurs, can have been a previous customer, or was inflamed already and you were just the straw that broke the camel's back. Dick crashes uterus, and bang the blood comes because she is already bruised there and ready to bleed. Bright red is usually not period, where very dark like pigs blood probably can be a period.

Plenty of times I fucked a girl regardless off her period, if she can allow it. Good to just have a rinse out before starting to cut it down a bit.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2269068]I am not ashamed to say that I am a very poor guide for the gogo scene. I might take one look a year here or there with no real preference. I too liked Crazy House in the early days but the amount of smoke in there ultimately drove me away. Angelwitch did a fairly entertaining little show with some brief full nudity. I commented on the poor lighting and Funman replied "because they are all old". Comparatively speaking he is certainly right. It did look like they were eager to engage rather than just doing the bored shuffle.[/QUOTE]Yes lighting in some bars is not great especially at face level. They don't want you to know how ugly the girls might be.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2268725]SZ,

You may be correct. I usually hang out in Soi Cowboy for that. That's probably why we cannot remember![/QUOTE]Now someone quotes a nude show in Angel or maybe a nude shower in Spankies. I have not been to those bars recently, so yeh can't quite remember if saw full nudity or not, but certainly saw no bar with nudity in general in Nana Plaza for many years.

These are expat style bars I guess. I don't like Spankies at all. The noisy spanking is a turn off. Similar to hating balloon popping shows. Not enough young sleek models in Angel Witch but they may have some experienced performers.

At 5, the bargirl comes to see me. I should say ex bargirl, since it seems she does not work there anymore and has no intention to return. Seems she is now semi-sponsored by someone, not a monthly salary perhaps, but reasonable lumps of money. She claims she has not had sex with any customers for a long time, however she is not known to be a totally truthful girl. 555. Girls can tell you what they think you want to hear (hard to guess that in my case. I would rather just hear truth regardless). Anyway I have not seen her in the bar for many months and she has pics relating to travel.

So does she come to me for the money or for the sex, or both? She used to be a girl difficult to cum, but made it okay Today, which is unusual and suggests has not been getting much sex. In the end I think she might need a bit of extra cash to help out her family etc. But not desperate enough to go back to working the bar. Skinny model type. Slightly kooky type but okay Left me exhausted as I did not get enough exercise for fitness lately and I set room a bit too hot.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2269424]I can assure you, that 80% of the same girls are there every week.[/QUOTE]My guess would have been 75% - on most nights. You're correct, I should have written that 'most' are professionals.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2269567]I have a lot of experience with blood since youth. It does not bother me that much. Period can smell bad, but if not, it is not big deal for me. Condom is there, or even BBFS with trusted partner that gets tested or does not have lots of BBFS partners.

Probably actually not a period. Uterus damage happens a lot and bleeding occurs, can have been a previous customer, or was inflamed already and you were just the straw that broke the camel's back. Dick crashes uterus, and bang the blood comes because she is already bruised there and ready to bleed. Bright red is usually not period, where very dark like pigs blood probably can be a period.

Plenty of times I fucked a girl regardless off her period, if she can allow it. Good to just have a rinse out before starting to cut it down a bit.[/QUOTE]You are right sir, I recall the color was bright red, but she didn't seems to have any pain. She was very petite, probably some titans dick hurt her LOL.

[QUOTE=Faceless78;2269640]You are right sir, I recall the color was bright red, but she didn't seems to have any pain. She was very petite, probably some titans dick hurt her LOL.[/QUOTE]Does not have to be a titan. A girl's uterus is not that far in. You can put in a finger and feel it. Even the head of a shorter hard dick banging against it could do damage.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2269613]At 5, the bargirl comes to see me. I should say ex bargirl, since it seems she does not work there anymore and has no intention to return. Seems she is now semi-sponsored by someone, not a monthly salary perhaps, but reasonable lumps of money. [/QUOTE]Shit. Pulled 10 K from ATM today, and tonight can't quite account for where it all went excluding what remains and forget exactly how much was in wallet before taking the 10 K out of ATM. Having never had problems with stealing girls and this girl was known for a long time, let my guard down and left wallet in pants while taking a shower. Temptation could be too much.

The bad part is now I suspect her of pilfering just 1 K to 2 K because I can't account for everything, but also forget exactly how much spent at restaurant and supermarket, etc. Do know the pharmacy and alcohol expenditure exactly. If a larger amount was missing, would be obvious quickly. However too many miscellaneous expenses today.

In the end I can't prove the girl took anything but just a nagging doubt. Less money remains than expected. Could I have forgotten something major? Moral is not to leave cash lying around while taking a shower. If she had no chance to do anything, she would not get suspected. However today she did have a chance. I don't convict on flimsy suspicion. I would need better evidence which is not there. Too many unknowns. Could be purely my fuck up. Could be I paid a 1 K thinking was a 100 to a taxi even. Can't say this ever happened to me before. Now I feel like 50% she did, 50% she didn't and I stuffed up else where or poor memory.

Went to Charoen Pharmacy today. It has not closed completely yet, but certain medicines are now out of stock, selves are quite depleted. They are trying to sell remaining stock. Probably will be closed in 2 weeks. Today could get Allopurinol, not so popular. They say the reason is the new licensing laws are too strict for them. They would not be allowed to sell cigarettes and alcohol any more. Maybe the rent is too high on a large shop like that, if sales are more restricted. Smaller shops can survive with less varied business. Anyway the main staff are quite old, perhaps retiring age. The guy did not say they would open else where, and had no alternate pharmacies to recommend.

After that was walking on Soi 4. Saw a stunning tall model, looked to be 170+ but I did not check the heals carefully. First reaction was a pretty ladyboy, but face was too delicate, so decided is was a real girl and very good looking. Dress was not really LB style, too sloppy. As have done too many times, decided to follow, to see where she worked. She went into Rainbow 2. So I sat down. The stage was filled will regular gogo girls, every last one of them (that I could see) with a plastic "non Thai" looking face and freaky noses. A bunch of aliens to me (apologies for my bias but I really don't like this look). Very few Farangs in there. That figures. Mainly Asian customers go for the exaggerated surgeries look, it seems. Next floor of dancers were drastically improved. Not a freaky surgeries group. A few girls looking quite good, especially a dark skinned one who danced better than the rest and reminded me of a Cambodian girl I used to like at Suzie Wong. I had to ask a serving girl what is going on, why the big difference in the groups? She explained the first set have BF 700, and those were the good looking girls (her view), their bodies were a bit average generally excluding the surgeries. The second set were the Coyotes with BF 1000 (much better looking to me but less to her). Caveat is all girls wore bars to not easy to see how good the tits are when not huge implants. Did not really get to the girl that dragged me in there but I believe she was a Coyote arriving a bit late.

A girl sitting outside Lollipop had very exotic look with big lips a little darker skin than the others, and coloured contacts. She drew me in so went inside for a drink and look. Girls were quite similar to Rainbow 2 but a bit less freaky overall. Still very few indeed had no surgeries. Indeed my girl Ning also known as "Seua" (means wildcat) had a nose job too but was an excellent one not obvious at all. She had no number. On stage number 81 looked quite good, good body and face, but not quite my spec, Number 85 looked hot, and I could consider her despite largish sillies. Ning dancing did not quite have the best ass but okay Several girls had good bodies including great ass but I don't notice much if the face does not appeal. Probably about 3 doable girls for me, with good face and nice enough bodies as well. Maybe only Coyotes at Rainbow 2 doable for me. So I rate Lollipop slightly better, but again very few Farangs in there, the look is more suited to Asian customers. Asians coming in quickly called the freakiest looking girls to come to them.

Some guys say these places are best bars in Nana, but for me they are well behind Billboard overall which has a larger percentage of natural looks, or at least not so freaky looking girls.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2269733]-snip-

Could be I paid a 1 K thinking was a 100 to a taxi even. Can't say this ever happened to me before. Now I feel like 50% she did, 50% she didn't and I stuffed up else where or poor memory.[/QUOTE]The new king 1000 baht notes and 100 baht notes look far too similar, imo. We really need to pay close attention now. I am talking about the face up side at least. Sure, if you hold them side by side you can tell the 100 baht notes are slightly smaller. And they are a different color, of course. But they are not a dramatically contrasting color. If the lighting is dark or more yellow than white it is very easy to mistake one for the other. I have actually pulled a new king 1000 baht note out my wallet, paired it with a loose new king 100 baht note from my pocket and handed them to a Starbuck's clerk in Nana Square to cover a 150 baht charge.

If the clerk had not been honest and held the notes up to point out what I had done, I would have accepted the small change, moved on and never would have known whatever became of it.

Add to the issue how perfectly lined up and stuck together so many of those new king notes are coming fresh from the printer and just now going into circulation and there are more ways to inadvertantly hand out an extra note or the wrong one here and there than there has been in a great while.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2269744]Went to Charoen Pharmacy today. It has not closed completely yet, but certain medicines are now out of stock, selves are quite depleted. They are trying to sell remaining stock. Probably will be closed in 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]I'm sad to here this. I always picked up my BP meds from that druggist just to the left after leaving Soi Nana. Can you recommend another nearby Pharmacy with fair prices?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2269746]The new king 1000 baht notes and 100 baht notes look far too similar, imo. We really need to pay close attention now. I am talking about the face up side at least. Sure, if you hold them side by side you can tell the 100 baht notes are slightly smaller. And they are a different color, of course. But they are not a dramatically contrasting color. If the lighting is dark or more yellow than white it is very easy to mistake one for the other. I have actually pulled a new king 1000 baht note out my wallet, paired it with a loose new king 100 baht note from my pocket and handed them to a Starbuck's clerk in Nana Square to cover a 150 baht charge.
[/QUOTE]Yes I agree. My eyesight at close range is not good like when I was 20, and in very dim yellowish light makes the colour difference quite low. I do have to ask taxis to turn on a light before I pay. When young, that would not have been necessary. Maybe I should carry a very small strong white light LED torch. I have one slim flat one in my luggage, that can be attached to a key ring, just haven't got used to using it.

I try bars like Rainbow 2 and Rainbow 4/5 and see only 1 to 3 Farangs in the whole bar dominated by SE Asian customers. I assume the reasons are the number of freaky looking heavy surgeries girls, or is there any other major reason? Girls too expensive? Girls not topless?

Even I have been reluctant to take gogo bar girls these days, due to total price for BF, drinks, and the sex, but I still like to be able to check them out at close quarters for an extended period before choosing. 2 or 3 street walkers on Soi 4 last night were very cute, so starts to tempt me, since the low price means we could get a dud girl, and simply go get another one.

Are there any gogo bars remaining that are still farang dominated? I am guessing it would be small bars like only Jungle Jims, Toy Bar, Afterskool, etc. There are a lot of Farangs in Billboard and Crazy House but I still doubt they would dominate over Asian customers. I seem to recall the took from Billboard, liked a lot, and repeated, was a Coyote classification, but maybe in Billboard all the stage girls are known as Coyotes, whether wearing bikini or cut off short shorts.

Do Farangs take Coyote girls much, or are they almost exclusively for the Asians? I know they are available for sex in some bars. So if the barfine for Coyotes in RB2 is only 1 K, would Farangs take them? I am reluctant when cannot see what the tits are like exactly with double layer bras.

I have to assume though that I am not the only Farang that does not like the extreme obvious surgeries look which has totally altered the girl's face (hence I use the term: freaky look). Look slightly less freaky than Odo but more so than 7-of-Nine, Kira Nerys, and T'Pol of Star trek.

I am not against plastic surgery. When well done ( South Korea) it should not be so obvious. Many of the cheap Thai jobs are appalling to me however.
I include examples of a good ones and Very questionable ones. Pics 3 and 4 show huge improvement (if actually the same girl), but to me, the other 3 pics show no improvement or I prefer the before look. Pic 2 is only one really pretty for me before she had surgery. So why? The nose is not improved for me.

Is the after look in pics 1 and 5 a bit freaky to other guys? Or is it just me?

Maybe all the extreme surgeries girls in these gogos were actually more ugly before the surgery, but to me the exaggerated surgery is not really making me like them. Perhaps they were beyond help for me. Now they just don't look like a Thai and barely human.

In 20 years time, will there be any natural looking young girls left? Will we see all high standard subtle surgeries like from South Korea, or will we still be seeing all these exaggerated freaks? Will gogos still exist? Will we be able to go see naked girls somewhere?

[QUOTE=Magaman;2269898]I'm sad to here this. I always picked up my BP meds from that druggist just to the left after leaving Soi Nana. Can you recommend another nearby Pharmacy with fair prices?[/QUOTE]Best​ place is Chula Pharmacy on Rama IV. It's right after the Crowne Plaza Hotel. Great prices and always a line.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2269490]Well you might be right. Previously the older girls, girls with baby damage, fatties, ugly show girls etc. Were upstairs, and naturally not many guy would want to go upstairs, unless took their hotty upstairs with them, to find a nice relaxed spot for molestation.

I did not yet check upstairs this year, but should do so.

-snip-[/QUOTE]Incidentally, that is one of the reasons I now actually prefer to buy a drink before entering the multi-level venues like Baccara and Crazy House and would not make an effort to have it any other way for me. After my drink is brought to me, I can more easily bail out of one level and check out another one at any time. And then return to the previous level as well. No need to call over a server, deal with the payment, wait for the change, etc. There isn't even a check bin cup in front of me. That assumes you are running a tab, that is, instead of paying up each time a drink is delivered.

Besides, the "recognized valued customer who always buys lots of drinks" guys who are allowed in those places without buying a drink outside first are not going to cruise through the bar levels and walk out without buying at least one drink anyway, are they? If they do that very often, they will lose their "valued customer" status soon enough. So they are just as pressured to buy a drink regardless of the quality of the line up and seating options inside as anyone else buying one on the outside but in a different way.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2269733]Shit. Pulled 10 K from ATM today, and tonight can't quite account for where it all went excluding what remains and forget exactly how much was in wallet before taking the 10 K out of ATM. Having never had problems with stealing girls and this girl was known for a long time, let my guard down and left wallet in pants while taking a shower. Temptation could be too much.

The bad part is now I suspect her of pilfering just 1 K to 2 K because I can't account for everything, but also forget exactly how much spent at restaurant and supermarket, etc. Do know the pharmacy and alcohol expenditure exactly. If a larger amount was missing, would be obvious quickly. However too many miscellaneous expenses today.
[/QUOTE]Exactly the same thing happened to me a few years ago. I suspected a freelancer stole 1 or 1. 5 K from me when I was in the shower, but I was not sure. So I invited her again after a couple of days (even though she was only a mediocre fuck) but this time I counted the money in my wallet. It was about 4 K. I made sure that I was the first going to shower after our session and when I was done and she took a shower I checked my wallet. There was only 2 K left in it. So I opened her purse and there were two 1000 notes lying on top of her stuff. She didn't even try to hide them!
I took them out again and when she left I paid her the price that we agreed upon. I did not confront her with what she had just done and she did not check her purse.

I escorted her downstairs and when I was near the reception and looked behind me she was gone. About thirty seconds later she showed up again. I think she had gone directly to her motor bike that she parked behind the hotel, but then realized she still had to pick up her ID at the reception. However in the meantime she apparently checked her purse because she had this horrible look on her face. She clearly knew she was busted and did not dare to look at me. It was fantastic LOL.

But that was not the end of the story. This girl had the nerve to contact me again in WeChat when I was back in town (Pattaya) about 6 months later. As if nothing ever happened! So this time I confronted her and asked why she stole from me. She said 'sorry, sorry' but never gave me a reason and even contacted me again a couple of times after that. Unbelievable!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2269746]The new king 1000 baht notes and 100 baht notes look far too similar, imo.[/QUOTE]For this reason, I keep my 1000's (and sometimes 500's) separate from smaller notes. It's often imprudent (in a taxi) or impolite (for a street vendor) to use a 1000, so I don't use them often for the most common transactions where pulling out my wallet with 1000's would be inconvenient. When I do use them, then I'm sure I broke out the big one, and nobody can pull the "you only gave me a 100" trick.

Has anyone visited Tata? [URL=https://www.topescortworld.com/escort/tata/]Tata[/URL] is listed as 31, but I've seen her ad on CL listed at 45. I suspect the CL ad is more accurate.

[QUOTE=Magaman;2269898]I'm sad to here this. I always picked up my BP meds from that druggist just to the left after leaving Soi Nana. Can you recommend another nearby Pharmacy with fair prices?[/QUOTE]Try South East Pharmacy next to Thermae.

FK.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2270107]
I escorted her downstairs and when I was near the reception and looked behind me she was gone. About thirty seconds later she showed up again. I think she had gone directly to her motor bike that she parked behind the hotel, but then realized she still had to pick up her ID at the reception. However in the meantime she apparently checked her purse because she had this horrible look on her face. She clearly knew she was busted and did not dare to look at me. It was fantastic LOL.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. I will learn from you and spring the same trap next time, including marked bills. If confirmed, she will get reduced payment, to compensate me.

Strange, since I was always fair or more than fair to her, including advancing small amounts to her account when she claimed to have no money for food etc.

[QUOTE=MentalMijit;2270269]Has anyone visited Tata? [URL=https://www.topescortworld.com/escort/tata/]Tata[/URL] is listed as 31, but I've seen her ad on CL listed at 45. I suspect the CL ad is more accurate.[/QUOTE]So you like your girls extra old? (Ha ha) or what is the special thing about them? Huge tits I guess?

To me extra large tits are a bit over rated, it is more about shape quality and softness for me. Is a double Dee really better than a beautiful Cee cup? I don't take fat girls myself even if they might have very large tits.

Big tits to play with at home, so I am happy with skinny girls with nice shaped A-cups when I monger, not saggy ideally, and have little desire for big.

My GF used to be skinny but has put on enough weight to be normal now or slight over weight (not skinny and not fat) but her tits have got quite a bit bigger and were not at all small before. Nearly to "Dtaeng-Mo" or water melons now (I exaggerate a bit ha ha). Sometimes she says "Som-Oh" (Pomelos) but they are not round shaped like that of course. They are now quite heavy.

Overly firm sillies. Not every girl has to have big tits, however have taken the odd bargirl with big ones if shape is good enough and they are soft enough. Quality over size for me. Same as girls probably prefer quality foreplay and fuck, over a big dick, perhaps with odd exception of girls who need to be filled very full (rare to meet those).

Pat at Shark bar is still a young girl but has like a double Dee implant assisted, but is quite difficult to feel the implants as they are deep down, so okay For me. Excellent GFE always from her, very kissy girl. BBBJ with CIM available but no anal. Could suit guys really into big tits. Has teeth braces.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2269930]Best​ place is Chula Pharmacy on Rama IV. It's right after the Crowne Plaza Hotel. Great prices and always a line.[/QUOTE]Thanks will try it.

Best to say close to corner of Surawong, right? Since many like me know nothing about the Crown Plaza Hotel. I am sure I have passed it many times but paid no notice.

Seems to be called Chula Bhesaj in English however the spelling is quite misleading. Should be pronounced like "Joola Peh-Sut" (Sut rhymes with hut however not if you are in northern England/Scotland). Peh sounds like "Pair" if you can drop the "R" sound. Peh-sut is a Thai word (short form) for Pharmacy or pharmalogical medicine. Learned it on my vocab list, and "Peh-sut-cha-gorn" is a Pharmacist

จูฬา เภสัช

Hello,

Arriving Bangkok, Wednesday 9.

First time in Bangkok.

Anyone there to join and go have fun?

I have been reading this BKK thread in preparation for an upcoming BKK trip and have seen what seemed like a few very brief or vague passing references or allusions to Middle Eastern freelancers in BKK, if I understood them correctly. The most detailed description that I found is this post on a ST session with a freelancer from near the Grace Hotel. I searched further on this thread and also on the Foreign Sex Workers in Thailand thread but did not find much else in the way of detail. Can anyone provide more details, such as where specifically they are from, and where else I might find them, other than near the Grace Hotel? Also, I was under the impression that the Grace Hotel was a spot for freelancers from the former Soviet Union. Do Middle Eastern freelancers gather there as well?

I do plan to focus on Thai girls, of course, but there is already plenty of documentation on them. In contrast, this is an itch that I would like to scratch, if there any more information on these girls.

[QUOTE=DeathWish;2192638]Now Grace hotel has a charm of its own. Brilliant building but what was more brilliant was there were some middle east ladies with their hijaab on standing on the pathway. I was intrigued I always had this on my bucket list and just couldn wait to strike t down. Saw a cutie grinned at her she came to me we spoke and off we went to a short time hotel somewhere nearby. (my hotel was nearby but the night was still young coudn risk a LT scenario). It was awesome seeing the cutie undress. Perfect tities, shapely ass and a navel to die for, yes I have a navel fetish. Anyhow Lots of licking sucking and fucking on the questionable bed occured, we lied satitated. Paid her the 2000 for the ST 700 for the room. Dressed and came out.[/QUOTE]

Thanks to both of you for the lead and the elaboration. From the other thread apparently almost everybody used the pharmacy that's closing. I just happened to stumble upon it a few years ago.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2270370]Thanks will try it.

Best to say close to corner of Surawong, right? Since many like me know nothing about the Crown Plaza Hotel. I am sure I have passed it many times but paid no notice.

Seems to be called Chula Bhesaj in English however the spelling is quite misleading. Should be pronounced like "Joola Peh-Sut" (Sut rhymes with hut however not if you are in northern England/Scotland). Peh sounds like "Pair" if you can drop the "R" sound. Peh-sut is a Thai word (short form) for Pharmacy or pharmalogical medicine. Learned it on my vocab list, and "Peh-sut-cha-gorn" is a Pharmacist.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2269733]Shit. Pulled 10 K from ATM today, and tonight can't quite account for where it all went excluding what remains and forget exactly how much was in wallet before taking the 10 K out of ATM. Having never had problems with stealing girls and this girl was known for a long time, let my guard down and left wallet in pants while taking a shower. Temptation could be too much.
[/QUOTE]I've done this many times and thought to myself "what did I spend my money on". Then after a few hours or the next day I think back through what I spent and realised it was more than I thought. Usualy forget that I went to the supermarket or had a few extra beers after lunch.

You'll probably remember that you bought something else somewhere.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2270370]Thanks will try it.

Best to say close to corner of Surawong, right? Since many like me know nothing about the Crown Plaza Hotel. I am sure I have passed it many times but paid no notice.

Seems to be called Chula Bhesaj in English however the spelling is quite misleading. Should be pronounced like "Joola Peh-Sut" (Sut rhymes with hut however not if you are in northern England/Scotland). Peh sounds like "Pair" if you can drop the "R" sound. Peh-sut is a Thai word (short form) for Pharmacy or pharmalogical medicine. Learned it on my vocab list, and "Peh-sut-cha-gorn" is a Pharmacist

จูฬา เภสัช[/QUOTE]That's the one I am talking about!

I went to Hillary2 last weekend and there was quite a bit of talent especially late in the bar. What is the general rate the girls expect for short time and long time from there? Obviously, no BF in Hillary2. I met an attractive Vietnamese girl who told me that she is staying in a condo on Soi 4 with a Thai friend using a 30 day tourist visa. We exchanged Line information so I may have her do a drop by as I live near Soi 4. I did not pursue her that night as I was otherwise engaged but figure this way I skip the drink formalities and have her come straight on to my condo.

I used to frequent Bangkok Beat but that was three years ago. I remember short time back then was between 1500 to 2 k but not sure if inflation or other factors has increased that rate.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2270690]...I searched further on this thread and also on the Foreign Sex Workers in Thailand thread but did not find much else in the way of detail. Can anyone provide more details, such as where specifically they are from, and where else I might find them, other than near the Grace Hotel? Also, I was under the impression that the Grace Hotel was a spot for freelancers from the former Soviet Union. Do Middle Eastern freelancers gather there as well?...[/QUOTE]The best way to get all these questions answered is to go to Bangkok, and make your way to the area, on soy 4 in lower Sukhumvit. Easy, just like that. Or even better, reserve a room a the Grace hotel and you will be up close to those FLs. I did that many years ago. You will get to know everything about these girls.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2271158]
I used to frequent Bangkok Beat but that was three years ago. I remember short time back then was between 1500 to 2 k but not sure if inflation or other factors has increased that rate.[/QUOTE]Rates are different for those on the street, other freelancers, and those in a bar. Hillary bar girls should be higher than what you paid in BB before, at a guess, without having taken any girls there. Street girls can get 1. 5 K or even less. Beware you might get as good as what you pay for.

Is the Beergarden on Soi 7 open? If yes, has anything changed since the time it was shut down?

[QUOTE=KiJang;2271331]Is the Beergarden on Soi 7 open? If yes, has anything changed since the time it was shut down?[/QUOTE]I didn't notice much of a change. Some people claim the ladies are older, not as good looking, etc. , but it is the nature of mongers to complain about the world going to hell.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2270690]I have been reading this BKK thread in preparation for an upcoming BKK trip and have seen what seemed like a few very brief or vague passing references or allusions to Middle Eastern freelancers in BKK, if I understood them correctly. The most detailed description that I found is this post on a ST session with a freelancer from near the Grace Hotel. I searched further on this thread and also on the Foreign Sex Workers in Thailand thread but did not find much else in the way of detail. Can anyone provide more details, such as where specifically they are from, and where else I might find them, other than near the Grace Hotel? Also, I was under the impression that the Grace Hotel was a spot for freelancers from the former Soviet Union. Do Middle Eastern freelancers gather there as well?

I do plan to focus on Thai girls, of course, but there is already plenty of documentation on them. In contrast, this is an itch that I would like to scratch, if there any more information on these girls.[/QUOTE]Where are they from? Well, I have not been with the ladies of the Grace Hotel for several years, but back in 2016 I cruised past that area and found plenty of opportunities. Right there in the crowd were about 8-10 well-proportioned ladies of the darker complexion, by which I mean Middle Eastern, not African (the latter are typically found around the corner on Suk). So they are not hard to spot.

I only partook once, and the girl was Turkish. She was good, but not spectacular. She kept calling me DOCtorr (extra stress on the first syllable, rolled Turkish (r)) because I wear glasses (I guess glasses makes the doctor). The pickup was easy. She had pretty eyes which made the connection, and before we knew it we were off to my hotel. In the room she was easy to talk to. Laughing and joking, which sets the mood very well. We showered separately, and then after some more small talk, the towels slowly were discarded, and she went straight to work on a BBBJ. As she sucked me off, she would pull up and say 'DOCtorr, you like? She also did this really exquisite thing where as she gave me head, she clicked her tongue. And she did it right at the sensitive part of the penis, you know, behind the head. So she would suck down, then on the up stroke she would click her tongue, creating vibration and sound right at the point of pleasure. Quite remarkable.

But the rest of the experience was rather ho-hum. She was kind of chunky, and not particularly firm, and the sex was very mechanical. So it was a mixed bag. I'm afraid I don't recall the exact baht figure, but I don't remember it causing me any pain. Perhaps others can update you on the current pricing for Grace girls.

All in all, if you have a thing for middle eastern girls, then it's worth the short walk over to the Grace Hotel. But for me, when in Thailand, I'm kind of looking for the Thai experience, so I won't be repeating.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2271473]
All in all, if you have a thing for middle eastern girls, then it's worth the short walk over to the Grace Hotel. But for me, when in Thailand, I'm kind of looking for the Thai experience, so I won't be repeating.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I was curious so I walked over to the Grace Hotel driveway one night. Most of the girls there were chunky, but very friendly Thai girls. They do know and cater to their primary customer's preference, although they seemed really open to starting something up with this American. Ha Ha. There was also a very friendly, smiling, 30 something, Caucasian looking girl wearing one of them full length middle eastern costumes and a fashionable silk head scarf. I stopped and said Hi and then I asked where she came from. She said she was Iranian. Now I would LOVE to shag a sexy, petite, Iranian girl. Doing an Iranian or Lebanese girl is high on on my bucket list now that I have shagged a sexy Kazak girl in Jakarta recently. This Iranian one seemed friendly enough, but I could not get passed her body proportions, her butt was huge, nor her age. No way! So, I politely wished her a good night and headed back to familiar territory. Nana. But if anyone has a hankering, then by all means head over to the Grace Hotel driveway and have a good time. It's another world over there.

I just have to find some Tomboys who will go out with men. Anybody know where I can in Bangkok? The internet is surprisingly useless! Many thanks.

I'm Thaied out! I just want a Russian girl or I swear I'm going to fly to Europe!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2271544]I'm Thaied out! I just want a Russian girl or I swear I'm going to fly to Europe![/QUOTE]The high surgeries girls in the Rainbow bars don't look Thai at all. Does that help?

[QUOTE=Kostik007;2271533]I just have to find some Tomboys who will go out with men. Anybody know where I can in Bangkok? The internet is surprisingly useless! Many thanks.[/QUOTE]Easy. Ex Annies tomboy "Peung" (means Bee) should be working in either Wood bar or Chrome bar in Sukhumvit Soi 7/1. Can ask for her. No idea what her working number is. Looks vaguely like Halle Berry from the Bond movie (although quite short) and has good tits. She seems to be bi-sexual.

I am sure it is possible to do take out, if she likes you, but maybe expensive (I never tried a take out from those shops). Suggest try a normal session first to see how compatible you are.

Do a survey of bars in Cowboy and Nana. You are bound to find some tomboys in there. Suzi Wong used to have one years ago as did Long Gun (Judging from the short hair). Lollipop had a short haired older girl the other day. Just go looking. You will find them soon enough. Not that uncommon.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2271577]The high surgeries girls in the Rainbow bars don't look Thai at all. Does that help?[/QUOTE]No! I want a real one!

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2271544]I'm Thaied out! I just want a Russian girl or I swear I'm going to fly to Europe![/QUOTE]I read that they might be located at Grace Hotel or Rajah Hotel, not Russian per say. I stayed at Heaven at 4 before, and I don't recall ever seeing WG near Rajah Hotel. Could be, I wasn't paying attention.

[QUOTE=GCNovice;2271728]I read that they might be located at Grace Hotel or Rajah Hotel, not Russian per say. I stayed at Heaven at 4 before, and I don't recall ever seeing WG near Rajah Hotel. Could be, I wasn't paying attention.[/QUOTE]I have not seen them there myself. I wonder if they moved elsewhere. I did see one WG in at Hillary 4 once, and that was it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2271579]Easy. Ex Annies tomboy "Peung" (means Bee) should be working in either Wood bar or Chrome bar in Sukhumvit Soi 7/1. Can ask for her. No idea what her working number is. Looks vaguely like Halle Berry from the Bond movie (although quite short) and has good tits. She seems to be bi-sexual.

I am sure it is possible to do take out, if she likes you, but maybe expensive (I never tried a take out from those shops). Suggest try a normal session first to see how compatible you are.

Do a survey of bars in Cowboy and Nana. You are bound to find some tomboys in there. Suzi Wong used to have one years ago as did Long Gun (Judging from the short hair). Lollipop had a short haired older girl the other day. Just go looking. You will find them soon enough. Not that uncommon.[/QUOTE]Thanks, but Halle Berry has big knockers! I mean a real Thai tomboy — they are almost all lesbians — with short cropped air, tattoos, firm gym bodies, and no tits (either natural or surgical). Not sure If I can find one of those.

Hi,

I was in Bangkok last March 2018. At that there was political problem I remember police was arresting a lot of Uzbek Girl from Shock 39 club. Do any one have any update on the late night club update, did Bossy Pub and CM2 opened Back? I am mainly into Uzbek and Eastern European Girl, Do any one know where can I find Uzbek Free Lancer.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2271544]I'm Thaied out! I just want a Russian girl or I swear I'm going to fly to Europe![/QUOTE]Sounds like you want a Dyke. I would ask the LB's. They know all and tell all. Offer a few baht and they will spill the beans.

Curious, what for? You can confide in us, we can be trusted. 555.

RL.

[QUOTE=Kostik007;2271533]I just have to find some Tomboys who will go out with men. Anybody know where I can in Bangkok? The internet is surprisingly useless! Many thanks.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you want a Dyke. I would ask the LB's. They know all and tell all. Offer a few baht and they will spill the beans.

Curious, what for? You can confide in us, we can be trusted. 555.

RL.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2271473]Where are they from? Well, I have not been with the ladies of the Grace Hotel for several years, but back in 2016 I cruised past that area and found plenty of opportunities. Right there in the crowd were about 8-10 well-proportioned ladies of the darker complexion, by which I mean Middle Eastern, not African (the latter are typically found around the corner on Suk). So they are not hard to spot.[/QUOTE]As of this weekend there were a trio of CIS dressed in chardours working outside that small spirit house I front of the Rajah. There are a few floating around the front of Gulliver tavern at the tables. I've seen some good looking Russian ones around Soi ISIS getting into cabs and doing visa runs but I don't know where they work now that Royal Garden got pinched. Maybe they just freelance at Spassos.

Why not just hit a Tomboy bar? There are tons in Pattaya so I can only assume there are tons in Bangkok as well. Gogo girls who like Tomboys have dragged me to these places many times. An interesting experience.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2271972]Sounds like you want a Dyke. I would ask the LB's. They know all and tell all. Offer a few baht and they will spill the beans.

Curious, what for? You can confide in us, we can be trusted. 555.

RL.[/QUOTE]That's not a bday idea, I could ask some LBs. Why? I just like that boyish kind of girl, short hair, tattoos, muscular, no makeup or perfume, rough and ready. Just a pity that most of them are lesbians and go for the super feminine type.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2271544]I'm Thaied out! I just want a Russian girl or I swear I'm going to fly to Europe![/QUOTE]December 2018 visit.

Try Mixx disco in Bangkok, had several Russian ladies though IMHO only 2 were good enough for take out and both were stuck up types. The ones who were talking or friendly were not appealing to me. One babe was AWESOME, she could easily have been an actress in a movie, tall, blond, amazing figure, not smoking. She was the only one actually who did not smoke.

There were some ladies from Ukraine also. I met a girl from Columbia also. She was from Medellin. There were a few from Vietnam also. The Viets were also asking 8000 but were willing to settle for 5000.

All of the women were fixated on 10000 baht and all were very keen that I buy them drinks or shots.

I left around 3. 30 am without anyone from there and the amazing Russian girl left with her two companions also without anyone taking her. I ran into them as I was crossing the street from the Erawan side back to Mixx. She was definitely available for take out as her friend asked me you want her I did. However better sense prevailed as she kept staring without any expression. I decided to pass. In the end I ended up taking 2 Thai ladies who I had met earlier at Spasso who were trying to negotiate with a few guys outside Mixx.

It was 5000 baht for an amazing threesome with a great massage thrown in.

Another interesting thing I noticed is that most of the girls if they thought they had a deal with you, then they would try to convince that you take a friend along for a threesome.

Enjoy xxx.

[QUOTE=Kostik007;2272063]That's not a bday idea, I could ask some LBs. Why? I just like that boyish kind of girl, short hair, tattoos, muscular, no makeup or perfume, rough and ready. Just a pity that most of them are lesbians and go for the super feminine type.[/QUOTE]I think you missed my point about asking LB's. They would tell you where to find the Dykes. They know all the hidden bars and places that the Dykes hang out.

RL.

[QUOTE=Osaka;2272099]December 2018 visit.

Try Mixx disco in Bangkok...There were some ladies from Ukraine also. I met a girl from Columbia also. She was from Medellin. There were a few from Vietnam also. The Viets were also asking 8000 but were willing to settle for 5000.

All of the women were fixated on 10000 baht and all were very keen that I buy them drinks or shots.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this report, very helpful. I wonder if Climaxx has opened yet. Anyone?

[QUOTE=Osaka;2272099]In the end I ended up taking 2 Thai ladies who I had met earlier at Spasso who were trying to negotiate with a few guys outside Mixx.

It was 5000 baht for an amazing threesome with a great massage thrown in.[/QUOTE]5000 for a threesome from Spasso?! That seems very low to me, so well done sir. I wonder if this is because it was after hours and the girls had failed to capture anyone while in Spasso. Regardless, you obviously played this well, so congratulations.

I came across the below report from a while back as I was RTFF'ing in preparation for my upcoming trip to BKK. Can anyone (including the OP) confirm / update the implication of this old report, that there is / was a category of girls at Mandarin in Nana Plaza who are BBFS-friendly and accordingly have higher barfines?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1963974]Stopped into the 2nd floor Mandarin go-go bar in Nana Plaza about 8:30 PM last night to check out their Bunny themed party. You get a couple of bite-sized sandwiches and draw a ticket from a jar to see if you win a free fruit punch drink or not. I won! LOL. The girls looked cute with the bunny ears and cotton tails on the usual bikini / short skirt garb. Don't remember if it extends through the rest of the weekend or if it was just a Friday night event.

I was dragged into the bar at the top of the plaza escalator by a somewhat dignified looking old mamasan, something I usually resist at all costs. But for whatever reason, maybe because I had no real plan or agenda for the night but to stroll around and observe the parade and the fact that this mamasan looked like one of those well dressed Thai ladies emerging from a Mercedes on the way to Temple on a Sunday morning, I just smiled and let her lead the way to see what her idea of a good time for me was. I didn't want to sit on a stool next to one of their little stages so I chose a booth seat against the wall instead. It was still next to an elevated stage, of course. But it was a random selection on my part, had nothing to do with what the girls dancing on that stage looked like or anything..[/QUOTE]

Looks like we'll have to wait until 4 am for reasonable prices. I wonder if the Russians come down to this price at closing time?

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2272275]Thanks for this report, very helpful. I wonder if Climaxx has opened yet. Anyone?

5000 for a threesome from Spasso?! That seems very low to me, so well done sir. I wonder if this is because it was after hours and the girls had failed to capture anyone while in Spasso. Regardless, you obviously played this well, so congratulations.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2272313]I came across the below report from a while back as I was RTFF'ing in preparation for my upcoming trip to BKK. Can anyone (including the OP) confirm / update the implication of this old report, that there is / was a category of girls at Mandarin in Nana Plaza who are BBFS-friendly and accordingly have higher barfines?[/QUOTE]It was my experience and I mentioned in a few reports at the time (two years ago) that several go-go bars' "Special" girls, those for whom we are supposed to pay a higher barfine as in 1,500 baht vs 700-800 baht (not talking about the 3,000 baht barfine Coyotes found in some bars), were indeed more open to entertaining the idea of going bareback with me than the lower barfine girls. It wasn't something that I left to chance back in the room. As I described in that report, it was a case of me specifically connecting the higher cost of taking them out of the bar with more and/or better service from them to justify the higher barfine. For example, BBFS (assume +CIP when I say that) or BBBJ+CIM or perhaps even BBBJ+CIM+Swallow. Otherwise, why in the world would they ask me to pay a higher barfine and why in the world would I pay it? "Special" damn well better mean something tangible and useful.

I can't update on what is currently the case (for me) at the Mandarin bars specifically since I have not taken a Mandarin Bar girl for a while, haven't even tried. Nothing against the Mandarin bars. It is just that I have been busier with other bars of late.

However, I will say this; I no longer find that it matters much whether the go-go girls in any (Nana) bar are "Special" girls requiring a higher barfine or not. IMO, what we have now is what I had hoped would happen with regard to the BBFS issue as a result of some "Special" girls incorporating that option more freely (not guaranteed, of course) into their services in order to remain in the "Special" category as well as make more money at the moment and recruit more repeat customers in the long run; other girls are no longer as terrified of copying what the "Special" girls were doing and are now more open to the idea in hopes of producing the same results. Now more girls are agreeing to BBFS regardless of the higher barfine or not. And the amount paid to the girl directly (always afterwards, of course) is essentially no different than it was then or is generally to the lower barfine girls.

YMMV, as always. But I must say there are more Nana go-go girls willing to agree in advance to BBFS with me than I experienced two years ago and MANY more willing to agree to it than I remember encountering 20-25 years ago! Bare in mind, I ask upfront. I don't go with the flow and wait to see what happens back in the room. No, nope and no again to that latter way. And it doesn't seem to matter if the girl is called a "Special" girl requiring a 1,500 baht barfine or a regular girl requiring a 700-800 baht barfine. Mind you, I am NOT talking about the non-barfinable or 3,000 baht barfine Coyote scammers lined up and down Soi Cowboy. Actually, I am not really talking about many bars on Soi Cowboy at all. Personally, I find the Soi Cowboy go-go bar collection too rife with the smell of rip-off and unrewarding hustle and I rarely barfine any girl from the Soi Cowboy area bars anymore. Maybe I could think of 2-3 rare exceptions.

Searched Soi 4. Was looking for girls I knew. No dice. There were a group of about 5 deaf mutes signing in the Mana car park vicinity. What they were signing was a little amusing even I could not understand it that well I did get some idea. Turns out of these girls was slim and excessively cut face, fab ass. Zero tits. Could bot determine if legal age. Anyway so pretty that I definitely wanted her. 7 nfortunately She pointed to her friend. I said no and pointed at her but she did not want me. Bait and switch technoque? Ha ha. Not sure why she was there but refusing. Maybe no Farangs as dick scared. Maybe too young. Ended up sleeping with no fuck. Don't like to take 2nd best. Took a regular today instead.

Checked Line up at Crazy House but nothing special. One great looking girl except for really exaggerated tits that were just too hard coconut shell looking. No one was the whole package. Probably far too late. Good girls are taken early.

Two of Natty's girls approached me bit I was already ready to go home. Not quite what I needed.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2272532]Two of Natty's girls approached me bit I was already ready to go home. Not quite what I needed.[/QUOTE]I stopped seeing P halfway through my last visit to BKK. Actually, she precipitated the breakup by demanding one night when I was otherwise engaged (LOL) that I come to CH to see her or else she would never see me again. Then she changed her mind the next day, but I let the break up stick because she had been taking too much for granted recently and was starting to act too possessive and bossy while at the same time not delivering the goods as well as she once did. I hate that. Of course, it did not help her cause that I had become more interested at the moment in a few New girls I had just started up with like my Atomic Blond, my Va Va Voom La Belle girl, and a sexy little Twister girl. I still wanted to see "B", the 2nd girl in my Crazy House menage a trois, but I could not figure out a way to break up the menage and see only her and "B" was not being helpful in achieving my goal, so I had to let both girls go.

Interestingly, I had the same trouble with my Makati threesome and my Pinay problem hurts me more because Michele, girl #2 in that threesome, is really hot and at the same time really really sweet. AND I miss her! But after I took Sara & Michele to Palawan, Sara started taking things for granted and was getting WAY too bossy. So, I was the one that broke it off. But I still wanted to continue on with the other one, Michelle. Unfortunately, Michelle did not want to see me one on one without Sara's apparent permission? What! Yeah, and because I didn't want to bother with the whole friggin' thing, I decided not to visit Manila on my fall 2018 trip to Asia. To hell with it and I had a great time in Macau instead.

But I am going back to Manila this spring and since it has been around 18 months since I last chatted with Michelle, I decided to text her and wish her a Happy New Year a few weeks ago. Naturally She was really happy to hear from me after such a long time and asked me when I was coming to Manila. But then the next day I get a text from Sara, the one I do not want to see and she sounded upbeat and happy too like everything was OK between us. So I am thinking why did Michelle tell Sara she had heard from me and I have not responded to either girl since then and I probably won't again for another 12 months. LOL. It is not a big problem since I know I will find plenty of other hotties in Manila to take up the slack and I AM looking forward to my upcoming visit regardless of the status of those 2 knuckleheads, but it is a conundrum: How does one end a threesome and yet keep it going with one of the girls when the 2 girls in question are bargirl amigas?

I am finding it is relatively easy to get into some great threesomes and have amazing times with 2 bargirl friends, but for some reason, apparently it is much harder to get out of the threesome and yet keep on seeing one of the girls. Shit I thought money is what counts. But in the case of my 2 threesomes (one in BKK & one in Makati) its girlfriends before customers! What a joke!

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2272275]Thanks for this report, very helpful. I wonder if Climaxx has opened yet. Anyone?

5000 for a threesome from Spasso?! That seems very low to me, so well done sir. I wonder if this is because it was after hours and the girls had failed to capture anyone while in Spasso. Regardless, you obviously played this well, so congratulations.[/QUOTE]Any one with recent info about shock 39 girls quality specially the Eastern European? I know mixx has some good quality but they are racist for brown people like me, last time they didn't let me in, it was humiliating so kind of stayed away from them after that. I fancy Eastern European girl, tried soi 4 near nana and bamboo bar but nothing, some middle eastern girl but lot heavy. I didn't wanted to pick up any? Any one with recent info will help planning next trip in April.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2272427]YMMV, as always. But I must say there are more Nana go-go girls willing to agree in advance to BBFS with me than I experienced two years ago and MANY more willing to agree to it than I remember encountering 20-25 years ago! [/QUOTE]

No wonder, 20-25 years ago was the top of the AIDS epidemic in Thailand.

These days Thais tend to be more causal about it, but banging dozens of working girls bareback is still not a good idea. It's risky in general, but even more so with girls who readily agree to BBFS with a first-time customer, meaning they regularly engage in it.

Moreover, while I'm a monger and try not to moralize, I still find it morally repugnant to cajole girls into taking the extra risk of BBFS, even if they agree to it. Yes, it feels pleasant, and yes, for an old geezer with health issues the extra pleasure might be worthwhile even if it leads to catch something including HIV, but for a working girl in her 20s or 30s it certainly is not.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2272670]No wonder, 20-25 years ago was the top of the AIDS epidemic in Thailand.

These days Thais tend to be more causal about it, but banging dozens of working girls bareback is still not a good idea. It's risky in general, but even more so with girls who readily agree to BBFS with a first-time customer, meaning they regularly engage in it.

Moreover, while I'm a monger and try not to moralize, I still find it morally repugnant to cajole girls into taking the extra risk of BBFS, even if they agree to it. Yes, it feels pleasant, and yes, for an old geezer with health issues the extra pleasure might be worthwhile even if it leads to catch something including HIV, but for a working girl in her 20s or 30s it certainly is not.[/QUOTE]Yes, 20-25 years ago was one of the worst times for a "BBFS or No Fucking Will Happen and No Money Will Be Earned" guy like me to be in Thailand. But that was my first opportunity so I took it. Good thing I was fine with BBBJ+CIM some of the time. But not all of the time.

I find it morally repugnant for a monger or any man to encourage a girl to get drunk before having sex with him. And for him to get drunk, too. I suspect that is far more often the time when condoms are forgotten, slip off and not noticed, are decided against using and so on with guys who never even considered getting a vasectomy before engaging in BBFS or ever checking their HIV/STD status with a blood test in a reliable clinic. Not to mention how risky it is for a drunk girl to ride home on a motorcycle at any hour of the day or night, especially late at night when she is tired and sleepy on top of being drunk.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2272545]I am finding it is relatively easy to get into some great threesomes and have amazing times with 2 bargirl friends, but for some reason, apparently it is much harder to get out of the threesome and yet keep on seeing one of the girls. Shit I thought money is what counts. But in the case of my 2 threesomes (one in BKK & one in Makati) its girlfriends before customers! What a joke![/QUOTE]I have had short time and overnight threesomes but never a relationship as such, trying to deal with one woman at a time is more then enough for me.

My two cents for what its worth is while it's always possible jealousy and losing face plays a part, I feel a lot depends on what the ongoing relationship between the girls is.

If they are close friends it's easier to understand how it might seem a betrayal of that friendship to go solo.

If they are not close possibly just work at the same venue then being part of a threesome is simply a business partnership and going solo should I imagine be usually OK.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2272670]No wonder, 20-25 years ago was the top of the AIDS epidemic in Thailand.

These days Thais tend to be more causal about it, but banging dozens of working girls bareback is still not a good idea. It's risky in general, but even more so with girls who readily agree to BBFS with a first-time customer, meaning they regularly engage in it.

Moreover, while I'm a monger and try not to moralize, I still find it morally repugnant to cajole girls into taking the extra risk of BBFS, even if they agree to it. Yes, it feels pleasant, and yes, for an old geezer with health issues the extra pleasure might be worthwhile even if it leads to catch something including HIV, but for a working girl in her 20s or 30s it certainly is not.[/QUOTE]While HIV is a worry, it's really the other stuff that are more common that should make BBFS not an option. Spending half a vacation recovering after pissing hot sauce doesn't seem like fun nor a good use of money.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2272681]I find it morally repugnant for a monger or any man to encourage a girl to get drunk before having sex with him...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2272670]while I'm a monger and try not to moralize, I still find it morally repugnant to cajole girls into taking the extra risk of BBFS, even if they agree to it. [/QUOTE]I find morally repugnant the paucity of first-hand field reports on ISG these days. Is no one fucking in Bangkok anymore? Or maybe too much fucking, not enough typing. Come on gents, let's get some content on here! (I'm not in BKK right now, but planning my next trip, at which point I promise to deluge you with content).

Re Mixx and Spasso.

Went to Spasso one time. And it was slow night. Later those same girl walked down the street to Mixx (right across the street) . Did not even bother to ask for prices at Spasso.

Re Mixx and Russians. Had one Russian lady ask me "how are you" in English, and I answered "harasho, spasiba. She was very amused by this (my Russian is actually minimal, but that still makes it better than 99% of non Russian foreigners in Thailand). I was told typical price is 6000 to as high as 8000 for short time, but she told me that at the end of the night, many girls will lower the price to 5000.

This time around (unlike times past), there were several good looking Russian women, around, though most I think were not nearly as hot a they believed they were.

There was one in particular that I found quite hot. Received zero acknowledgment or attention from her. My relative cheapskate character must have been shining through.

I really miss the closed CM2. Back in the day, this is where the foreign women hung out at elevated prices. But, there were more of them and were better looking.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2272938]I find morally repugnant the paucity of first-hand field reports on ISG these days. [/QUOTE]Too funny!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2273027]Too funny![/QUOTE]Plus he used the word "paucity" which was totally awesome!

A new report on a disturbing trend. A few nights ago, I was at Hillary2 on Soi 4 listening to the live music and chatting with some FL's I know who hang out in there. This girl appeared in front of me grabbed my hand and started the shake and roll in front of me gradually getting closer and demonstarting her interest in me. As she appeared to be more attractive and interested in me than the other girls in there and it was getting near 1am, I decided to pull the trigger with her. Sensing this, she asked if she could go with me to which I agreed. First she asked for 3 k bhat and I told her that I never paid more than $2 k bhat for short time. She readily agreed to this amount.

Shortly thereafter, I told her that I needed to use the bathroom and she actually accompanied me to the back of the bar and waited for me outside. I suppose this peculiar behavior should have been my first warning of something amiss. We then left the bar and grabbed a tuk tuk outside for 100 bhat for the short drive to Soi 8 where I have an apartment. I wanted to walk through Soi 6 to Soi 8 but she was having none of that.

When we got back to the apartment, I started to get the feeling she was in a hurry. I went to use the bathroom briefly and when I came out I found her standing at my kitchen sink either brushing her teeth or gargling but completely butt naked. So much for foreplay and removing her clothes. A few minutes later, she was under the sheets waiting for me. Sensing a rush job, I said to her that I am not in a hurry and hope she was not either. She promptly responded, you pay me first before we start.

That was it for me. I told her that she needed to leave immediately. I know requesting payment first can happen in Thailand from reading these pages and also know it almost inevitably results in bad service. She promptly obliged, put on her clothes quickly and departed though not before asking for 100 bhat for taxi.

As a postscript, I waited several minutes and walked back to Hillary2. I did not see her but espied a girl I had seen her earlier. She asked me what happened and told her about the prepayment demand. She promptly 'wai' me and laughed and told her friends about the incident. Another observation, the lighting in there is quite dim and many girls look younger than they appear in the harsh light. The girl who wanted prepayment I thought was 25. On the way to my apartment she admitted to being 40.

The girl who wai me said she was 50 and I thought she was 10 years younger in the dull lighting of this bar. 50 years old, from Laos, and still hustling the bar circuit! She looked ok but by then I had lost that loving feeling for the night.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2272938]I find morally repugnant the paucity of first-hand field reports on ISG these days. Is no one fucking in Bangkok anymore? Or maybe too much fucking, not enough typing. Come on gents, let's get some content on here! (I'm not in BKK right now, but planning my next trip, at which point I promise to deluge you with content).[/QUOTE]Well, I just posted a first hand field report that asking for and getting BBFS has been easier than ever with the go-go girls in Nana Plaza. So I thought one could logically conclude I HAVE been getting BBFS from go-go girls in Nana Plaza lately.

Some guys would take that information as a very good reason to hightail it to Nana Plaza and try for a bit of that on their first night in Bangkok. Other guys would take that information as a very good reason to run for the hills and avoid Nana Plaza at all costs. I realize that. But, either way, that is what I would consider very good "first hand field report" info.

But if by "first hand field report" you meant I should say I took a girl named Nam with this badge number from this particular go-go bar at this particular time, I fucked her in this hole for a while, then fucked her in that hole for a while, her left leg went here, her right leg was pointed in that direction and at the climax I squeezed her left buttock with my right hand while I emptied a huge load deep into her pussy and so on, then I am curious to know what value that information provides? I mean, will it make your experience with Nam, should you search her out on your next trip, that much more pleasurable knowing EihTooms on the ISG stuck his penis here and there just a few days or weeks before you did?

That is just a question I have always wondered about when someone demands we provide more details and specifics other than the going rates on barfines and girl fees, which are repeated dozens of times every month, the former of which has not changed more than 200 baht (about $6 USD) and the latter of which has not changed more than 500 baht (about $16 USD) in either direction for years.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2273043]Well, I just posted a first hand field report that asking for and getting BBFS has been easier than ever with the go-go girls in Nana Plaza. So I thought it would logically follow that one could conclude I HAVE been getting BBFS from go-go girls in Nana Plaza lately.

Some guys would take that information as a very good reason to hightail it to Nana Plaza and try for a bit of that on their first night in Bangkok. Other guys would take that information as a very good reason to run for the hills and avoid Nana Plaza at all costs. I realize that. But, either way, that is what I would consider very good "first hand field report" info.

But if by "first hand field report" you meant I should say I took a girl named Nam with this badge number from this particular go-go bar at this particular time, I fucked her in this hole for a while, then fucked her in that hole for a while, her left leg went here, her right leg was pointed in that direction and at the climax I squeezed her left buttock with my right hand while I emptied a huge load deep into her pussy and so on, then I am curious to know what value that information provides? I mean, will it make your experience with Nam, should you search her out on your next trip, that much more pleasurable knowing EihTooms on the ISG stuck his penis here and there just a few days or weeks before you did?

That is just a question I have always wondered about when someone demands we provide more details and specifics other than the going rates on barfines and girl fees, which are repeated dozens of times every month and have not changed more than 500 baht in any direction for years.[/QUOTE]There are some guys (me included) that like to stay in the game vicariously when stuck stateside. Between visits to various countries I do basically two things — research the destination if it's new (getting rare) and read the antics of other members. I really enjoy reading everyone's accounts of their adventures. I am actually not going to be in Bangkok any time soon but I kick around here and the Pattaya thread for the stories. Don't think I am the only one.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2273043]
But if by "first hand field report" you meant I should say I took a girl named Nam with this badge number from this particular go-go bar at this particular time, I fucked her in this hole for a while, then fucked her in that hole for a while, her left leg went here, her right leg was pointed in that direction and at the climax I squeezed her left buttock with my right hand while I emptied a huge load deep into her pussy and so on, then I am curious to know what value that information provides? I mean, will it make your experience with Nam, should you search her out on your next trip, that much more pleasurable knowing EihTooms on the ISG stuck his penis here and there just a few days or weeks before you did?[/QUOTE]LOL, I totally agree with you. Field reports like that are overrated. I usually skip them or read them very fast (also because they are often way too long) to see if I can find any useful information.
However I understand they can be interesting for newbies or people who just want to have a diversion from their boring life back home.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2273073]LOL, I totally agree with you. Field reports like that are overrated. I usually skip them or read them very fast (also because they are often way too long) to see if I can find any useful information.
However I understand they can be interesting for newbies or people who just want to have a diversion from their boring life back home.[/QUOTE]Yes, understood, too. And to Steve9696 as well. But if we are going to be berated (jokingly, I know) for not providing graphic blow-by-blow, in-and-out details of a sexual encounter with a specifically named girl then we must recognize that a lot of guys are just going to spin a tale just to entertain, having almost nothing to do with what would possibly happen if the next guy took that same girl. LOL.

Ok, here is my real world field report for what is happening on the ground in Bangkok for me right now; I was clicked "Interested" on ThaiFriendly by a 25 year old cutie who has had a farang boyfriend before but is lonely now and lives near a bts station easy for me to get to for a meeting. We exchanged Line info. She asked if I wanted to meet her. I said sure. Her pics show a cute young thing of medium weight and height. A shot of her in a bikini look fine. Sweet face. Lush, man-pleasing lips. I like her. Usually, I will ask for a quick video chat "Just to say Hi". But this time I didn't because, frankly, I just want to get up off my butt and go out for almost any reason anyway. So off I will go to meet this girl sight unseen other than her TF and Line photos.

We are going to meet face to face for the first time at 1 PM in a nearby Big C. If she is up for it and stimulating enough to me, I will take her by the hand and we will return to my apartment for some real boyfriend-girlfriend sex. If only one or neither of those things are at work for me, what the hell, I haven't got anything else to do today so maybe we will go to a movie and snack. Then I will meet a different girl I met and chatted with on ThaiFriendly for the first time just today.

I DO know the girl I will be meeting at 1 PM will have shaved her pussy in preparation for the possibility of us going back to my room later. How do I know that? Ok, here is the shaved pussy request Tip of the Day; When we agreed on Line to meet at 1 PM and after having discussed nothing about sex really, she said she was going to take a shower now. Never missing an opportunity to make sure the runway is clear for me to make a slick and sweet landing, I immediately replied, "Shave (shaver emoticon) and shower? (smiley emoticon)", followed by a pleading sticker, followed by me texting "Please?"

Her reply was a firm, "Yes, I will shave for you." My reply to that was "Thank you, Thank you, Thank you".

There. Done. Now, IF I so choose to take this girl back to my room for a fuck and/or suck, I have zero worry about what I will encounter when I move into decisive DATY mode. LOL.

Yeah, I will follow up later with what happens, good or bad. btw, she also knows I have had a vasectomy because her profile said she wanted to have children. So I told her upfront that I saw that but I would not be able to give her children since I'd had a vasectomy. But, I added, "We can try many times anyway. You ok?" lol. She said that would be ok.

Spontaneity? You bet. But I like spontaneity UPFRONT like the way I handled it, not at crunch time in the bed. In about 3 sentences and as many cute emoticons and stickers on Line, I have now gotten the issues of Shaved Pussy? BBFS+CIP ok? covered well enough for me to really look forward to putting my shoes on and heading to the bts skytrain. Now I am perfectly happy to "go with the flow to see what happens in the room."

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2273046]There are some guys (me included) that like to stay in the game vicariously when stuck stateside. Between visits to various countries I do basically two things research the destination if it's new (getting rare) and read the antics of other members. I really enjoy reading everyone's accounts of their adventures. I am actually not going to be in Bangkok any time soon but I kick around here and the Pattaya thread for the stories. Don't think I am the only one.[/QUOTE]Yes you are not alone. Every time I've made the travel plan, I'll frequent the forum just to keep myself updated and read anything new happened there. It feels like warming up for the coming adventure.

On the other hand, if I'm aware thay I will not go back soon (like half year), I won't even open the page.

Hey guys,

I was wondering if anyone could give me a general idea about opening times of various mongering institutions in Bangkok. Will be my first trip and I want to get maximum from each day. Just in general, when do the he massage parlors open, BJ bars, beer bars and gogo bars. And is it true that the prettier bar girls appear rather later in the evening?

Thanks, Tomasb, for the report.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2273029]A new report on a disturbing trend. A few nights ago, I was at Hillary2 on Soi 4 [/QUOTE]I think this is the second time you are reporting on Hillary2, but if my memory serves me well, you have not had much success there. Is that a fair representation of your experience? I'm just wondering if it might be worth my time, or if you have soured on the place.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2273029]As a postscript, I waited several minutes and walked back to Hillary2. I did not see her but espied a girl I had seen her earlier. She asked me what happened and told her about the prepayment demand. She promptly 'wai' me and laughed and told her friends about the incident. Another observation, the lighting in there is quite dim and many girls look younger than they appear in the harsh light. The girl who wanted prepayment I thought was 25. On the way to my apartment she admitted to being 40.

The girl who wai me said she was 50 and I thought she was 10 years younger in the dull lighting of this bar. 50 years old, from Laos, and still hustling the bar circuit! She looked ok but by then I had lost that loving feeling for the night.[/QUOTE]Yeesh. This makes me even more leery of the place. I have never been to any of the Hillarys (seriously, Hillary? But if the average age there is anything like what you describe, it sounds like a definite miss. Forgive me if I am reading this too negatively. But regardless, your report is immensely helpful, since it helps me figure out what to do with my time and money.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2273092]if we are going to be berated (jokingly, I know) for not providing...details of a sexual encounter...[/QUOTE]No berating, EihTooms, just joking. And no demands for details, just a request for field reports.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2273092]
Ok, here is my real world field report for what is happening on the ground in Bangkok for me right now[/QUOTE]As always, a valuable and appreciated report it is. Thanks.

It's safe to say I am not all too pleased with my experiences to date at Hillary2. When I used to attend Bangkok Beat, I would meet girls quite frequently who had real jobs. I remember a nurse, a live in housekeeper, a factory worker and a nice lady from near Chiang Mai who owned a noodle shop, amongst other examples. However, the ladies so far at Hillary seem more hard core FL's and some already have an expiration date that has been passed. As I mentioned, the dim lighting in there is complimentary to the ladies but deceptive to the mongerer. Add ten years to whomever you see. I think the location keeps some of the more regular type girls away, unlike BB which was tucked away in that little alleyway Soi.

For me it's easy to access from my apartment on Soi 8, but it seems hardly worth it so starting to think about broadening my horizons to less traditional outlets.

As an aside, I had a massage and he from a pretty lass in a local parlor on SUK. Beautiful gal from Issan with honey colored dyed hair and slim figure. Yesterday was her first day! I inquired if she could come to my apartment some night and she said it was possible but her hours were demanding. She sleeps in the same establishment where she works and basically said she works every day until 2 am.

Think about that next time we procure a massage how impoverished a life some of these girls live. Tip well when deserved!

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2273162]Thanks, Tomasb, for the report.

I think this is the second time you are reporting on Hillary2, but if my memory serves me well, you have not had much success there. Is that a fair representation of your experience? I'm just wondering if it might be worth my time, or if you have soured on the place.

Yeesh. This makes me even more leery of the place. I have never been to any of the Hillarys (seriously, Hillary? But if the average age there is anything like what you describe, it sounds like a definite miss. Forgive me if I am reading this too negatively. But regardless, your report is immensely helpful, since it helps me figure out what to do with my time and money.[/QUOTE]

Is there anyone who can advise where to find a pregnant girl in Bangkok. I have been in Bangkok multiple times over the last years but so far I haven't seen any preggies.

Thanks in advance for any information that can be helpful.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2272670]No wonder, 20-25 years ago was the top of the AIDS epidemic in Thailand.

These days Thais tend to be more causal about it, but banging dozens of working girls bareback is still not a good idea. It's risky in general, but even more so with girls who readily agree to BBFS with a first-time customer, meaning they regularly engage in it. [/QUOTE]It's still has the highest infection levels in all of Asia by far, double the next closest Asian country.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2272545]
I am finding it is relatively easy to get into some great threesomes and have amazing times with 2 bargirl friends, but for some reason, apparently it is much harder to get out of the threesome and yet keep on seeing one of the girls. Shit I thought money is what counts. But in the case of my 2 threesomes (one in BKK & one in Makati) its girlfriends before customers! What a joke![/QUOTE]I don't really have this problem. In my threesomes, it is normally clear which one is the "senior" or priority girl, and the other one is a friend coming along. So there is no great difficulty going back to the priority girl alone. However I could appreciate the problem if both girls are equal part of a threesome.

Sometimes, at Suzie W, I took 2 girls and it was not clear who was the important one, but the 3 somes there were often mixed and matched depending who was available. Nuu Dee did not do threesomes so when I started on her, I had to go back to normal one on one encounters. After she left, I was able to go back to "Knot" my next favourite for non threesome encounters. I could not do "Knot" and Pat because they were real sisters. Once Knot retired I could now do her sister Pat and occasionally Pat and Mali in 3 some, or Pat alone. Even Mali alone when Pat missing.

So I don't really experience the same jealousies problem. I think it just depends on the girls. Noi an ex Suzi W girl did have a psycho episode one day while drunk and failing to understand why I don't book her any move. She was crazy, on drugs, on booze, etc. And I did not enjoy fucking her any more after she had a baby. Her pussy became more difficult (not looser). Possibly doctor stitched her up a bit strange.

It is best that 3 some girls realise and accept that we play around a lot with different girls. Although I have no regulars left at Crazy H, I once had several favourite girls there, so mainly they were not too sure of the pecking order, although Donut was clear number 1 due to Superior looks.

In a threesome one, May Lee performed great slightly inebriated which loosened her up enough to enjoy herself, while Noi was too drunk (her own doing) and useless. We have to know when dosing girls up on alcohol when to stop. The objective is to get over any inhibitions if they have them, but not become very drunk. Some girls improve with some alcohol, some get much worse than normal. So May Lee would have become a big favourite of mine, however she left soon after. Pretty face and great natural tits. I was told she had a baby. What a pity.

I believe we don't know people fully till see them drunk. Disturbing aspects of their character, normally controlled, can surface. However their sexually can be exposed to, if normally a bit too controlled. My GF is more likely to be in the mood for sex after Alcohol and other relaxing things. In my case alcohol is a hindrance to best possible sex, so I drink afterwards instead.

I think giving girls a small number of alcoholic drinks to loosen them up, is not at all Abhorrent. Indeed the bar supplies Yaa Dong alcohol for the girls to loosen them up any way. Girls very drunk are abhorrent however. Soi 23 is an ugly scene at 2 to 3 AM with extremely drunk girls.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2273229]It's still has the highest infection levels in all of Asia by far, double the next closest Asian country.[/QUOTE]Not true. Myanmar rates (0. 80% in 2016) are not that far behind Thailand (1. 1% in 2016) for percentage of the population. African nations of course have far higher rates of HIV (Swaziland 27%, south Africa 18.9% and even Jamaica is higher. Surprising since I imagine prevalence of hookers in Myanmar may be a lot lower. One has to bear in mind that Thailand has a huge number of Gays and bisexuals, also a large number of drug users, having a major effect on HIV rates, not to mention the prevalence of ass fucking ha ha.

New cases in Thailand had been declining for many years, however I don't know if that is still the case this last year. Total numbers are also declining despite HIV being lot more survivable these days.

It would probably be quite surprising if we never met a HIV positive girl. I am aware of one I never fucked. Friend of a girl I was doing in 1991. Seems she is still alive and probably still hooking bareback.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2273181]It's safe to say I am not all too pleased with my experiences to date at Hillary2. When I used to attend Bangkok Beat, I would meet girls quite frequently who had real jobs. I remember a nurse, a live in housekeeper, a factory worker and a nice lady from near Chiang Mai who owned a noodle shop, amongst other examples. [/QUOTE]Why Hillary 2 anyway? I have to say I am not very happy with the levels of being hassled by serving staff at the Hillaries. This seems to be because they get commissions on the drinks.

In old days Thermae girls had regular jobs and were great. Still can be the case if you find the right girl, but I have not had any luck there in recent years. You might well ask, why the Thermae? It certainly is not working for me despite others liking it. It may be because I am choosing the wrong type of girls there, due to being very fussy about looks. Most of my targets are also Japanese customer targets. I should be taking girls that Japanese don't like. Ha ha. It is important for me to get girls that have a lot of experience with Farangs and prefer them, yet still ar pretty and have an excellent body. Not easy at all in the Thermae.

All of my regular girls normally do Farangs and prefer them, I believe. Should be obvious I suppose. One Crazy House girl I used to do liked Koreans. It was little surprise she was not that into it with me.

A bit strange, as I can do girls of almost any nationality and like them depending how they perform. So no preferred skin colour or origin. In Europe, I had success with girls from many countries, with German girls the least successful (more than 50% duds) being least willing to have fun. Actually my very worst success rate was girls from my home country. Hookers from there are terrible. Maybe only 1 in 10 good. Gave that up too many years ago to remember.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2273174]No berating, EihTooms, just joking. And no demands for details, just a request for field reports.

As always, a valuable and appreciated report it is. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Towards the end of last month had a bad experience. Guess my fault for becoming too trusting and letting my guard down. It was nearing midnight and I was actually heading to mixx but on a whim decided to stop over at Spasso to get a drink & check out the scene there. I was at the bar & this tall girl from Chiang Mai came and asked the bar for her bottle of whisky (makers mark previously opened I think). She told me I can help myself to it! Later on she wanted to dance with me and generally seemed a fun type. At some point it was indicated that 5 k baht would be enough to compensate her for the night. So we went to sing sing and then later met up with her friend and fiancée at a bar in nana somewhere. By this time I was thinking she is good & just relaxed off my guard. Eventually made our way back to my hotel at which point she began insisting on getting paid first. Normally I keep my composure & work something out in such rare cases but I guess I just lost it a bit & it was already early morning next day so I just through the money at her. She started giving me some stupid lecture on how a lady should be paid & stuff. I just ignored her till she left soon after. Mongering for over 30 years on and off but always something to learn I guess.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2273174]No berating, EihTooms, just joking. And no demands for details, just a request for field reports.

As always, a valuable and appreciated report it is. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Towards the end of last month had a bad experience. Guess my fault for becoming too trusting and letting my guard down. It was nearing midnight and I was actually heading to Mixx but on a whim decided to stop over at Spasso to get a drink & check out the scene there. I was at the bar & this tall girl from Chiang Mai came and asked the bar for her bottle of whisky (makers mark previously opened I think). She told me I can help myself to it! Later on she wanted to dance with me and generally seemed a fun type. At some point it was indicated that 5 k baht would be enough to compensate her for the night. So we went to sing sing and then later met up with her friend and fiance at a bar in nana somewhere. By this time I was thinking she is good & just relaxed off my guard. Eventually made our way back to my hotel at which point she began insisting on getting paid first. Normally I keep my composure & work something out in such rare cases but I guess I just lost it a bit & it was already early morning next day so I just through the money at her. She started giving me some stupid lecture on how a lady should be paid & stuff. I just ignored her till she left soon after. Mongering for over 30 years on and off but always something to learn I guess.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2273073]LOL, I totally agree with you. Field reports like that are overrated. I usually skip them or read them very fast (also because they are often way too long) to see if I can find any useful information.
However I understand they can be interesting for newbies or people who just want to have a diversion from their boring life back home.[/QUOTE]I agree. I never read details of how a guy gave a girl 5 orgasms in 10 minutes because he has a tongue like Gene Simmons or how a guy came so hard his sperm popped off the girl's contact lens. It's why you will never see a detailed report like that from me. I am extremely picky. Chances of me liking a girl who received a rave review are extremely thin anyways. Just direct me to which place is hot and which is not. If I haven't been in a while I will check it out.

I have been there several times in the last month and have had no difficulties with being harassed by staff for drinks. As long as I order a drink, they leave me alone. I like live music and there are precious few venues around the NaNa area. If someone knows of some, please enlighten me. I can't stand the club electronic and hiphop crap so avoid those even though they are said to be fertile ground for girls on the make. Climax was not bad except it was a firetrap waiting to happen. Thankfully closed now.

At Hillary 2, they were asking punters to buy a beer before entering. The one time they asked me I told them I wanted a rum and coke, which is only available at the bar so they let me pass.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2273235]In my threesomes, it is normally clear which one is the "senior" or priority girl, and the other one is a friend coming along. So there is no great difficulty going back to the priority girl alone. However I could appreciate the problem if both girls are equal part of a threesome.
[/QUOTE]That is my problem in a nutshell. In both cases the girl I wish to jettison is the "senior" girl. More so in the case of my 2 CH girls. In the case of my Makati girls, Sara is just the dominant one in their 2 girl friendship and it has very little to do with me.

But at Crazy House in the beginning, I was doing "P". She possessed a tight, no fat, very small breasts, body and the Sex was great. It was at "P's" suggestion one night that I started doing her and her "sister," but after a few go rounds I decided to drop the "sister" - no problem -- "Sis" was the 2nd girl.

Later, I will never forget the night I first met "B". "P" and I were drinking Tequilas in the corner when smiley face "B" came over and "P" introduced us. There was not much seating room so "B" sat on my lap (naked) and after a couple more rounds my hands started cupping her small breasts and we kissed. This was all good with "P" and so I barfined them both, had a great night and thus began a 2. 5-year threesome relationship . Not that I always barfined both girls together, there were times when one or the other girl was not around and I went one on one, but it was a very happy 3 way relationship with a lot of memorable nights up until my last visit to BKK when things began to change.

Sadly, both girls had put on a little weight since I last saw them and "P" began shirking some of her service to me AND getting bossy with mellow, subordinate "B". So, I began going elsewhere for my pleasures. The big break came one night when "P" demanded that I come see her "or else" while I was having a nice dinner with Mini. It is all water under the bridge as far as I am concerned, but I still would like to see "B" if possible, but apparently it is not. Sweet "B" does not want to cross her friend. So that is the way things stood when I left BKK. I will just play it cool and wait & see. I hold the winning cards. I will get what I want or I will get what I want elsewhere. 555.

Hello everyone,

Do anyone ever encounter any Pakistani or Indian Free Lancer in Bangkok Or any where in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2273296] I like live music and there are precious few venues around the NaNa area. If someone knows of some, please enlighten me. [/QUOTE]There must be a few of them. Whenever I book a hotel in Lower Sukhumvit, I'm always tortured through the night with the sounds of off-key heavily-accented singing of songs that were popular in the west 50 years ago.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2273242]Not true. Myanmar rates (0. 80% in 2016) are not that far behind Thailand (1. 1% in 2016) for percentage of the population. African nations of course have far higher rates of HIV (Swaziland 27%, south Africa 18.9% and even Jamaica is higher. Surprising since I imagine prevalence of hookers in Myanmar may be a lot lower. One has to bear in mind that Thailand has a huge number of Gays and bisexuals, also a large number of drug users, having a major effect on HIV rates, not to mention the prevalence of ass fucking ha ha.

New cases in Thailand had been declining for many years, however I don't know if that is still the case this last year. Total numbers are also declining despite HIV being lot more survivable these days.

It would probably be quite surprising if we never met a HIV positive girl. I am aware of one I never fucked. Friend of a girl I was doing in 1991. Seems she is still alive and probably still hooking bareback.[/QUOTE]If you've fucked 50 girls in Thailand, odds are at least one had the virus. Possible many more, depending on where you met them.

There are 450,000 HIV positive people confirmed in Thailand (1. 1 percent). In Myanmar it's 230,000 (0. 7 percent [URL]http://www.unaids.org/en/regionscountries/countries/myanmar[/URL]) . In Cambodia, much poorer and less developed the rate is 0.5.

The rates are high in Thailand. And guess where a lot of that is concentrated? Well, it ain't just ladyboys and junkies.

"Among freelance female sex workers, the prevalence of HIV was 2. 8 percent in 2017" [URL]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30359629[/URL].

"Unexpectedly high HIV prevalence among female sex workers in Bangkok: Overall HIV prevalence was 20.2% (95% confidence interval). Three-quarters of women were street-based (75.8%) who had an especially high HIV prevalence (22.7% about 10 times higher than that found in routine sentinel surveillance among venue-based FSW (2. 5% " [URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23512512[/URL].

1. 1, 2. 5, 2. 8, 22.7. No matter which figures you want to grab for, there can be absolutely no doubt that Thailand has the highest HIV rate in Asia by far. It's number 40 in the world overall. The only countries with a higher rate are in Africa or the West Indies.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2273092]-snip-

Yeah, I will follow up later with what happens, good or bad. btw, she also knows I have had a vasectomy because her profile said she wanted to have children. So I told her upfront that I saw that but I would not be able to give her children since I'd had a vasectomy. But, I added, "We can try many times anyway. You ok?" lol. She said that would be ok.

Spontaneity? You bet. But I like spontaneity UPFRONT like the way I handled it, not at crunch time in the bed. In about 3 sentences and as many cute emoticons and stickers on Line, I have now gotten the issues of Shaved Pussy? BBFS+CIP ok? covered well enough for me to really look forward to putting my shoes on and heading to the bts skytrain. Now I am perfectly happy to "go with the flow to see what happens in the room."[/QUOTE]Just to follow up on this, the dating site girl was a real sweetheart. Soft spoken and very, very fresh. Taller than I expected, a little heavier than I expected, but I thought she carried it well for her height. And I like young ones with a little extra firm flesh to grab. She said she was actually 22, not 25 as stated on her profile, that she'd made a mistake when she entered the info and couldn't fix it.

After buying her a small Thai meal in the mall, she agreed to go back to my room to watch a movie. She said she had never seen an English language movie before. I believe her. She was that fresh off the farm. After some cuddling and stroking on the bed, she tilted her head up, facing me for a kiss. Eventually, we were both naked and, after a bit of a struggle to get her to stop blocking me with her hands covering her pussy, she very reluctantly agreed to her (supposedly) first DATY experience. She kept saying "No, it is dirty! "minh"(it smells bad!) Gents, it was as clean, fresh and neutral of bad smell or flavor as any of the best vaginas I have ever savored. She loved it.

Unfortunately, this time she was too spooked by not knowing "do I really care about her" to launch right into BBFS. And, since I had not directly asked her for it before we met, I did not have any feelings of being tricked or misled. Fair enough. I did not press for it. She assured me next time she will feel better about it. I believe that, too. Instead, she decided she ought to learn how to reciprocate for the lovely DATY experience that just changed her life for the better. LOL. So I showed her how to begin, develop and properly finish a blowjob better than any BJ Bar girl I have tried in the past 3-4 years. Those lush, man-pleasing lips and very wet tongue delivered what I had hoped they would and more.

She needed to go back home around 7 PM in order to get enough sleep before her early work time so I did not even get to buy her dinner. But I did find out her taxi ride to the BTS station to meet me cost her 200 baht. So I gave her an unsolicited 500 baht to cover the ride both ways. Oh, and I bought her a BTS card for 300 baht earlier in the day.

That kind of outcome is not an uncommon result in the dating site scene for me these days. Except that I will usually make it much clearer that BBFS is expected if we meet. Talking about regular girls in this case, not outright Freelancers who bluntly say they are looking for money for sex on the sites. Yes, YMMV. Don't expect 8's, 9's and 10's, of course. But solid 7's and even 7. 5's are out there to be had as simply and easily as that almost any day I put a bit of effort into making it happen.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2273545]Just to follow up on this, the dating site girl was a real sweetheart. Soft spoken and very, very fresh. Taller than I expected, a little heavier than I expected, but I thought she carried it well for her height. And I like young ones with a little extra firm flesh to grab. She said she was actually 22, not 25 as stated on her profile, that she'd made a mistake when she entered the info and couldn't fix it.

After buying her a small Thai meal in the mall, she agreed to go back to my room to watch a movie. She said she had never seen an English language movie before. I believe her. She was that fresh off the farm. After some cuddling and stroking on the bed, she tilted her head up, facing me for a kiss. Eventually, we were both naked and, after a bit of a struggle to get her to stop blocking me with her hands covering her pussy, she very reluctantly agreed to her (supposedly) first DATY experience. She kept saying "No, it is dirty! "minh"(it smells bad!) Gents, it was as clean, fresh and neutral of bad smell or flavor as any of the best vaginas I have ever savored. She loved it.

Unfortunately, this time she was too spooked by not knowing "do I really care about her" to launch right into BBFS. And, since I had not directly asked her for it before we met, I did not have any feelings of being tricked or misled. Fair enough. I did not press for it. She assured me next time she will feel better about it. I believe that, too. Instead, she decided she ought to learn how to reciprocate for the lovely DATY experience that just changed her life for the better. LOL. So I showed her how to begin, develop and properly finish a blowjob better than any BJ Bar girl I have tried in the past 3-4 years. Those lush, man-pleasing lips and very wet tongue delivered what I had hoped they would and more.

She needed to go back home around 7 PM in order to get enough sleep before her early work time so I did not even get to buy her dinner. But I did find out her taxi ride to the BTS station to meet me cost her 200 baht. So I gave her an unsolicited 500 baht to cover the ride both ways. Oh, and I bought her a BTS card for 300 baht earlier in the day.

That kind of outcome is not an uncommon result in the dating site scene for me these days. Except that I will usually make it much clearer that BBFS is expected if we meet. Talking about regular girls in this case, not outright Freelancers who bluntly say they are looking for money for sex on the sites. Yes, YMMV. Don't expect 8's, 9's and 10's, of course. But solid 7's and even 7. 5's are out there to be had as simply and easily as that almost any day I put a bit of effort into making it happen.[/QUOTE]Thanks for tHe great two posts. The first with your subtle qualification questions would be really helpful to someone with the time to pursue this approach. And of course recounting the indoctrination of a fresher is what many ISGErs live for. Good stuff!

[QUOTE=RickRock;2273533]

"Unexpectedly high HIV prevalence among female sex workers in Bangkok: Overall HIV prevalence was 20.2% (95% confidence interval). Three-quarters of women were street-based (75.8%) who had an especially high HIV prevalence (22.7% about 10 times higher than that found in routine sentinel surveillance among venue-based FSW (2. 5% " [URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23512512[/URL].

[/QUOTE]"This respondent-driven sampling survey was conducted in Bangkok in 2007 among female sex workers (FSW) in non-venue-based settings to pilot a new approach to surveillance among this hidden population. Fifteen initial participants recruited 707 consenting participants who completed a behavioural questionnaire, and provided oral fluid for HIV testing, and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] (ok, when you take a leak) for sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing."

That is a notoriously terrible method for conducting a survey of this kind. In addition, I have read they offered money to the recruiters, the recruited and to provide free medical care for them. These incentives will naturally skew the results WAY above what one would encounter in a true random sampling survey. For starters, the paid recruiters are inclined to seek out known fellow HIV sufferers they've met in HIV treatment clinics, hospitals, support groups and so on. Maybe even in their needle sharing meet ups. They obviously were not going to wander around Sukhumvit and Soi 4, clip board in hand, tapping random freelancers on the shoulder to do their paid job of finding HIV-positive respondents.

The agreeable respondents might not even be freelance sex workers per se but will only say so in order to get the money and the free treatment on offer. Which is convenient since they were not supposed to be recruiting go-go bar girls, beer bar girls, massage shop girls, BJ Bar girls or any other girls working in established venues meant for exchanging sex for money where their profession as "sex workers" essentially would or could be verified by a third party.

uh, one might rightly conclude the pollsters wanted there to be an "Unexpectedly high HIV prevalence" result in their survey in order to trigger some kind of governmental funding for more and more surveys and treatment action. That sure beats disbanding the whole money-generating operation for lack of any notably alarming results.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2273553]Thanks for tHe great two posts. The first with your subtle qualification questions would be really helpful to someone with the time to pursue this approach. And of course recounting the indoctrination of a fresher is what many ISGErs live for. Good stuff![/QUOTE]Hey, thanks for the props, Steve. You know, I sometimes think about posting and inviting others to post some of those subtle qualification questions for punters, me included, who are not really that comfortable just blurting out things like, "Let's fuck. No condom!" or "Are you shaved or hairy down there?" Bear in mind, that approach CAN and does work for many. But I am usually into relaxing with a girl, sitting next to her over a ladydrink or two (in the case of pros), touching her hands and so on just to see if I get a chubby from being close to her before and rather than quickly deciding to take her solely on her looks alone. I am not a man who gets a chubby or full on erection merely over the sight of a beautiful girl nor is it a given that I will get one with such a girl when we are alone in the room. I need to feel something else about her rather than that she is really pretty and, therefore, I ought to be getting hard for her on a dime. Not really.

So, when a girl I have just met on Line and who I will probably meet soon says she is going to take a shower, I immediately respond with a cute way of "requesting" that she "shave and shower? Please."(cute pleading sticker). If she reacts badly to that little exchange, I have just saved myself some needless chatter and a waste of my time meeting her. Most of the time the reaction is very positive.

On that same subject, when a girl sitting next to me in the bar begins to fiddle with the hair on my forearms or chest, which they are apt to do at some point, I will say something like, "Oh, yes I am a little bit "monkey" (their term for having a hairy body) here and here", pointing to my forearms and my lower legs with a chuckle. "But I am not monkey anywhere here", pointing to my dick and balls area, "because I shave every day", miming the act of shaving as on my face. Which usually gets a very positive smile from the girl. Then, of course, I will have to smile and ask her, "Do you shave there, too?" Pointing to her pussy. Again, if her reaction is not one that gives me peace and comfort about the prospect of engaging in DATY with her later, I thank her for her time and am on to the next girl.

IMO, there are several times during ordinary cute and flirtatious chit chat where opportunities arise to clarify whether or not the girl shaves, whether or not she is up for BBFS with me and so on that will seem to just pop up naturally and matter of fact without blatantly asking her point blank. Not that I would totally rely on those responses to stand in for answering a direct question. But when the direct question comes up a while later before a meeting or barfine payment has been arranged, it isn't as though it has come up out of the blue. She has had time to think about it, prepare for it and answer truthfully. Seems to cut down on the turnaround change of heart or claimed misunderstanding back in the room for me.

So I spent part of the afternoon walking up and down lower Sukhumvit asking for prices for Cialis at pharmacies.

The highest price I found was Southeast Pharmacy, which had only the original branded Cialis for 4500 be for 4 tablets of 5 MG.

The lowest price I found was JS Pharmacy on Soi 11 (on the right hand side as you are walking from Sukhumvit). It is located right next to the Ambassador Hotel. They had generic "Apcalis" from India for 600 be for 4 tablets of 20 MG. I bought a pill cutter from them for 120 be so that I can cut the pills into 5 MG pieces. That works out to about $1 for 5 MG.

Seemed reasonable to me and not worth the trip over to Chulq Phesaj pharmacy to find something even cheaper.

[QUOTE=Fasbiranwar1;2273466]Hello everyone,

Do anyone ever encounter any Pakistani or Indian Free Lancer in Bangkok Or any where in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Same question asked every few weeks or so. Obviously by people who can not be bothered or are MUCH to important or busy to RTFF.

Here is my reply to one of these posts from 2016 quoting a 2011 question (In 2019 the answer STILL remains the same!)
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"This question seems to be asked quite regularly. The answer seems to to always be the same. NO Indian girls but a lot of acceptable alternatives.

I posted the following in 2011 in answer to a similar question.

Over the years I have had the pleasure of having several Half Thai / half Indian (and Half Thai / Half Pakistani) girls as playmates in LOS! I rather like that look!

If you stop to think about it there are many Indians living in Thailand, some for many years, and (nowdays) quite a lot of Indian visitors. So it is not 'so' unusual to expect to find this, often rather beautiful, mix.

The ones I have known have told me that 'Moma from Thai. Pappa from India! ' Several have had Indian rather than Thai 'given names. '.

A couple of years ago there were a pair of Half Thai / Half Pakistani sisters working in one of the Pattaya go-go's. VERY nice indeed! However I have not seen them around during my last few trips.

In my experience there is not one 'special place' for these girls but it IS possible to find all sorts of ethnic mixes in Thailand.

I can remember a Thai / Scandinavian, a Thai / German, a Thai / Black American (WOW, she was HOT!) and several Thai / Chinese girls that I have been with over the years.

Just get out there and look. You may not find EXACTLY what you are looking for but I would be rather surprised if you are unable to find 'something' acceptable.

ENJOY.

(I do!

Hotman.

[QUOTE=Hotman666;2273689]Same question asked every few weeks or so. Obviously by people who can not be bothered or are MUCH to important or busy to RTFF.[/QUOTE]With respect, I've lived here for some 20 years and the mix race types you refer who are available for P4P if they exist at all are far and few between.

To suggest you RTFF or go seek and you will find is less then helpful.

Can you be more specific?

Where did you meet these girls, under what circumstances, what were the payment details etc would be a lot more informative and helpful.

[QUOTE=Fasbiranwar1;2273466]
Do anyone ever encounter any Pakistani or Indian Free Lancer in Bangkok Or any where in Thailand.[/QUOTE]There was an Indian FL on Pattaya Beach Rd recently. She seemed to be the only Indian there. Drove a hard bargain too. I couldn't get her below 1000 baht for ST. I eventually relented and paid up. It was nice to get some big tits for a change after the mostly tiny up top Thais I had been having. She is probably still there as I had seen her around quite a bit in the last several months. She hangs around the Soi 13 area on Beach Rd, Pattaya.

Been to BKK about a dozen times over the last 20 years. Here are a few notes from a recent trip.

Eden Club: Chose Pim with big toothy smile. She offered the most eye contact. Usually a good sign. She also was reasonably attractive, which can be rare at Eden Club. She spoke adequate English and had mild belly baby damage. As usual at Eden Club, I picked one girl, then she picks her partner. Pim chose Mint as her partner. Mint was actually much more attractive and seemed younger with nice all natural breasts. I would have picked Mint first, since I think she was the youngest and most attractive girl there, but she didn't look at me at all, which I took as a bad sign. Mint was on rimming duty, prostate massage with fingers, anal dildo, and spoke almost no English. If you like this sort of thing (non stop action with one girl giving you a BBBJ / CIM while the other is rimming you and fingering your prostate), it is a great experience. You don't need to ask or beg for back door attention. It just happens. You will want Viagra to reduce your refractory period or you won't get your money's worth. My record at Eden Club is 5 shots in 90 minutes. I was completely depleted and fully satisfied. Money well spent.

Analisa: I just got the next girl in the rotation, who turned out to be one of the most attractive. Sorry I didn't catch her name. Signed up for the body to body, prostate massage, and strap on for 1 hour. I asked if 90 minutes equals two shots. The answer is no, so I didn't bother. The whole experience was very good. Very classic erotic massage. No kissing and the experience was mostly about her touching me rather than the reverse. They do offer full service. Given the style of the service (which seems a little professional / impersonal like a regular massage), it might feel strange to switch to full service mode. Or maybe not.

Billboard: "Pinky", dark straight hair with almost Indian features, from Koh Samui, excellent English, I think she was number 332, all natural great body, great skin, pleasantly chatty, BBBJ, DATY, no real kissing, 700 BF, 3000ST. I would consider repeating with her. The only negative was the lack of kissing.

Butterflies: "Aye", I think she was number 227, very smiley, lots of eye contact while on stage, was topless in the jacuzzi area, has a half finished sketch of a large tattoo on her back with bleached / dyed orangish hair, has adequate English, open to kissing but significant halitosis, denied BJ even covered, claims she doesn't like DATY, boom boom only, pretty disappointing. I thought the fact that she was one of the topless girls would mean that she would be more uninhibited, but I was totally wrong. Yes, I realize I could have negotiated details, but I find that really limits the GFE spontaneity. 1000 BF, 3000ST.

For newbies, here's my BKK summary:

Go to erotic massage places during the day and lower your expectations for looks but expect / demand excellent service. If you love prostate massage and strap on action, Eden Club (low to mid quality optics but unlimited shots) and Analisa (better optics but one shot) specialize in that. If that's not of interest, then I wouldn't bother with either of them, I'the go to Snow White or Tulip instead.

In the evenings, go to the gogo bars and search for your favorite eye candy. The service will be disappointing, so make sure you really are gobsmacked by her looks, otherwise don't bother bar fining her.

In a nutshell: Expect plain Jane 30 year olds with great service during the day, and beautiful 20 year olds with mediocre service at night.

[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2273262]Towards the end of last month had a bad experience. Guess my fault for becoming too trusting and letting my guard down. It was nearing midnight and I was actually heading to Mixx but on a whim decided to stop over at Spasso to get a drink & check out the scene there. I was at the bar & this tall girl from Chiang Mai came and asked the bar for her bottle of whisky (makers mark previously opened I think). She told me I can help myself to it! Later on she wanted to dance with me and generally seemed a fun type. At some point it was indicated that 5 k baht would be enough to compensate her for the night. So we went to sing sing and then later met up with her friend and fiance at a bar in nana somewhere. By this time I was thinking she is good & just relaxed off my guard. Eventually made our way back to my hotel at which point she began insisting on getting paid first. Normally I keep my composure & work something out in such rare cases but I guess I just lost it a bit & it was already early morning next day so I just through the money at her. She started giving me some stupid lecture on how a lady should be paid & stuff. I just ignored her till she left soon after. Mongering for over 30 years on and off but always something to learn I guess.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that report, and I'm sorry for your bad experience. This girl sounds far too sketchy. Too much going on, but I suppose everything is crystal clear in hindsight.

Spasso, in my opinion, is filled with older pricier ladies. And they tend to be less reliable than in many other places. I wonder, did you try any of the other nightclubs? Have you tried Insanity or Levels or Sugar Club (or places like that)? Any updates on how these venues (or any other venues) are would be most appreciated.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2273875]Thanks for that report, and I'm sorry for your bad experience. This girl sounds far too sketchy. Too much going on, but I suppose everything is crystal clear in hindsight.

Spasso, in my opinion, is filled with older pricier ladies. And they tend to be less reliable than in many other places. I wonder, did you try any of the other nightclubs? Have you tried Insanity or Levels or Sugar Club (or places like that)? Any updates on how these venues (or any other venues) are would be most appreciated.[/QUOTE]Spasso's demographic is definitely tilted towards older pricier girls than the other clubs you mentioned and in comparison to a 3-star hotel FL pick up bar like Thermae, but I disagree with you on the reliable part. Over many years, I have found Spasso FL's to be very accommodating and GFE. I almost think they are consciously trying to compensate for the fact that they are getting on in years and most are in their late 30's and older. They dress better, exercise more attention to their makeup and hair, speak better English, and generally really try their best to make the customer feel pampered and taken care of.

Age is the big negative for me in Spasso. If only the Spasso FL's were younger, even just a tad under 30, I would frequent the place a lot more often than I do.

It is too bad about SexIsLove's experience. But personally, I never understand why a punter takes a girl barhopping and nightclubbing after he has made his selection. I always want to shag the girl right away. Delaying the main event can lead to trouble.

[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2273258]So we went to sing sing and then later met up with her friend and fiance at a bar in nana somewhere. By this time I was thinking she is good & just relaxed off my guard. Eventually made our way back to my hotel at which point she began insisting on getting paid first. Normally I keep my composure & work something out in such rare cases but I guess I just lost it a bit & it was already early morning next day so I just through the money at her. She started giving me some stupid lecture on how a lady should be paid & stuff. I just ignored her till she left soon after. .[/QUOTE]

The other thing I don't quite understand from his report is why he threw the money at the girl. Either stick to your guns ie payment afterwards or show her the door. Period! But if you are going to cave, do it nicely. It is always your choice. The girl is not holding a gun to your head. 555.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2273883]Spasso's demographic is definitely tilted towards older pricier girls than the other clubs you mentioned and in comparison to a 3-star hotel FL pick up bar like Thermae, but I disagree with you on the reliable part. [/QUOTE]Fair enough, Natty. What I meant by unreliable was not about the bedroom activities. There, I would agree with you, that the maturity of the lady definitely does make a difference. What I meant was that I always struggled to get a reliable bead on the lady until much later in the process. Perhaps this is because the ladies are so much more accomplished at their skill, and so they play the game better. Thinking about this more, I agree with you that "unreliable" is not the right word. Maybe unpredictable? Not sure, but let me qualify what might be obvious to you regular readers: you have not read any of my posts for a while, which means I have not partaken in Spasso talent for several years now, so my impression may well be off. I defer to Natty Bumpo (and others) on this, and apologies if I (inadvertently) gave the impression of being up to date on the ladies of Spasso.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2273928]Fair enough, Natty. What I meant by unreliable was not about the bedroom activities. There, I would agree with you, that the maturity of the lady definitely does make a difference. What I meant was that I always struggled to get a reliable bead on the lady until much later in the process. Perhaps this is because the ladies are so much more accomplished at their skill, and so they play the game better. Thinking about this more, I agree with you that "unreliable" is not the right word. Maybe unpredictable? Not sure, but let me qualify what might be obvious to you regular readers: you have not read any of my posts for a while, which means I have not partaken in Spasso talent for several years now, so my impression may well be off. I defer to Natty Bumpo (and others) on this, and apologies if I (inadvertently) gave the impression of being up to date on the ladies of Spasso.[/QUOTE]Interesting to read. Our game is always filled with hits and misses. I have taken girls from Spasso and on average not found it to be a miss if you are upfront and clear about expectations. Does not guarantee a hit but my most recent experience there was a hit. The woman was older (late 20's to early 30's) but she looked hot and was a performer. I am not shy to ask what is in and out for the prices quoted so there is no confusion when it is time to supply services. She was exactly what she said she would be. Attentive, slow, very passionate and a pleasure to spend time with. No doubt that she could use her body and knew how to please a man. I would repeat again but there are so many others that it is not necessary. Mixx is the same. Have had a lot of good hits there if the rules are negotiated along with the price. When Insomnia was going I had more missed than hits there. Just a different type of FL at that place and not as easy to get to deal with. Just my experience. Did score a few good FLs there though over the years.

Still it is what makes the hunting worthwhile. Never really know what you are going to get. I will be back in BKK late February and will try Spasso again. Of course will post the experience. It form part of a trip to Pattaya again so looking forward to time in the sun and bars. Cannot wait.

Happy hunting.

My GF and I had a 10 hour layover in Bangkok, so I decided to go get some sex and then meet up with my GF for dinner at Gaggan. She's open minded and said she wanted to do some shopping and realized that I needed to let off some steam. She added with a smile, "handjob only!" When the Airport Link / BTS dropped me near Nana, I used Google maps to guide me to the Analisa spa, but it took me to the wrong one! It turns out there's one near Asoke station and another near Nana station. I was tempted to stay, because there were several cuties, but the mamasan said they couldn't accept me if I had an appointment at the other place. They can't poach each other's clients! She texted that I'the be late, and since it was rush hour I hoofed it over, instead of getting a taxi and then stuck in traffic.

Walking in, the guy before me was asking about a bareback blowjob option, after the mamasan said it was covered. She replied that a 200 baht tip usually worked for a BBBJ upgrade, depending on the gal. When it was my turn, the mamasan said, "I recognize you, you've been here twice before, right?" I told her that her memory was remarkable. Since I was short of time, I selected a one hour "tantric" four hand, with nuru and PM on a milking table. This cost 3000 baht. I selected the handjob not only because of my GF, but because the blowjob looked pretty uncomfortable for a girl using a milking table. Okay for a quick teaser but not for the CIM. I wanted to say that I only got a handjob truthfully. I did ask for the infamous three hole girl Coy, but she's apparently "on vacation". The mamasan assigned two girls. Zara, a sweet 28 year old with soft comfy curves and Namtan, a 25 year old hottie with a hard body. Zara had really nice tits and ass, and Namtan was absolutely strapping, an athletic beauty, who was clearly the top girl there. In the pics below, Namtan is first and Zara is second.

In the room upstairs, after a quick shower, Namtan asked one question to design choreograph the session, "one pop or two?" I replied, "One is fine for me. " She nodded and away they went. They started with a vigorous leg massage one on each leg, mirroring each other, then moved up to the back. They were topless at this point. They slowly got naked when they transitioned to one doing nuru above me, while the other did a manual stimulation below. This got me really hard. And after about 5 minutes, they switched places. After another 5 minutes, they had me flip over. All during this time, they chatted with me in English and with each other in Thai. Eventually, they had me flip over, so one could nuru on me while her counterpart did a handjob, eventually Namtan added a PM, which was pretty good. Again, she asked a question while fingering my anus, before starting, "One finger or two?" I replied, "Please start with one. " Her PM work was exquisite, quite skilled.

After the introduction of PM, they had me flip again, to utilize the milking table with Namtan doing PM above and Zara doing HJ below. Man, it felt really nice! Eventually they switched to doggy PM with Namtan slapping my butt while switching to two fingers, while I was on all fours and Zara was on the side doing a really good handjob. But I couldn't cum because the PM was "over stimulating" me. Eventually, I flipped back over again, with Zara on top doing nuru and hugging and kissing me, while I fingered her ass and wet pussy. I really wanted to fuck them, but I am a good boy. Haha.

Namtan's stroke was a bit too fast so I had them switch to Namtan doing nuru on me. Man she's a hard body. And Zara doing a slower paced handjob and that's how I popped. Namtan's little rockhard butt turned me on. I mean really turned me on and she was licking my ear sensuously. And Zara's superior handjob style. Very slow and soft. Felt just right and I soon felt the climax coming. I came very hard!

Afterwards, Namtan left and Zara gave me a very slow and thorough shower, chatting sweetly and letting me know she liked me. I was really tempted to come back and fuck her, and expressed my delight with a 500 baht tip for the two of them. In the reception area, while putting on my shoes, the mamasan apologized that she had to leave for dinner but that Zara would keep me company. Zara chirped, with an easy and genuine smile, that she liked my company. She was probably angling for a replay, or to land a rich farang boyfriend, but. Whatev's. She made me happy and she's exactly the kind of girl I'd want for a GF, so I stuck around and flirted for a while.

Originally, I had wanted to also go to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s blowjob bar for a second pop, but I was not only out of time not just because of the flirting but they went overtime for me. But now I was late for dinner, so I hailed a tuktuk, who drove like a madman to get me to dinner on time. My GF was also terribly late, and took a scooter taxi to get there. We arrived at exactly the same time!

By the way, this dinner at Gaggan was a $500 tasting menu for two. It's a Michelin two star that has won best restaurant in Asia a number of times. Amazing food, 25 dishes described by an emoji only dinner. The funnest dish was called "Lick it up 👅" and they played the song by Kiss at table with portable speaker, as they served the dish, which was eaten by licking the plate. The most surprising was the chili egg. A synthetic egg filled with chili infused sauces, sitting on a crunchy "nest", that exploded into indescribably delicious flavors your mouth. The absolute most delicious was the lamb chop perfectly prepared in a 140° oil cooker for 4 hours, flavored with lemongrass and pepper. It was a perfect way to end the evening before heading back to BKK for the flight home.

By the way, this is what a milking table at Analisa looks like.

[QUOTE=Tommylove;2274477]I used Google maps to guide me to the Analisa spa, but it took me to the wrong one! It turns out there's one near Asoke station and another near Nana station. I was tempted to stay, because there were several cuties, but the mamasan said they couldn't accept me if I had an appointment at the other place. They can't poach each other's clients! She texted that I'the be late, and since it was rush hour I hoofed it over, instead of getting a taxi and then stuck in traffic.

Walking in, the guy before me was asking about a bareback blowjob option, after the mamasan said it was covered. She replied that a 200 baht tip usually worked for a BBBJ upgrade, depending on the gal. When it was my turn, the mamasan said, "I recognize you, you've been here twice before, right?" I told her that her memory was remarkable. Since I was short of time, I selected a one hour "tantric" four hand, with nuru and PM on a milking table. This cost 3000 baht. I selected the handjob not only because of my GF, but because the blowjob looked pretty uncomfortable for a girl using a milking table. Okay for a quick teaser but not for the CIM. I wanted to say that I only got a handjob truthfully. I did ask for the infamous three hole girl Coy, but she's apparently "on vacation". The mamasan assigned two girls. Zara, a sweet 28 year old with soft comfy curves and Namtan, a 25 year old hottie with a hard body. Zara had really nice tits and ass, and Namtan was absolutely strapping, an athletic beauty, who was clearly the top girl there. In the pics below, Namtan is first and Zara is second.

In the room upstairs, after a quick shower, Namtan asked one question to design choreograph the session, "one pop or two?" I replied, "One is fine for me. " She nodded and away they went. They started with a vigorous leg massage one on each leg, mirroring each other, then moved up to the back. They were topless at this point. They slowly got naked when they transitioned to one doing nuru above me, while the other did a manual stimulation below. This got me really hard. And after about 5 minutes, they switched places. After another 5 minutes, they had me flip over. All during this time, they chatted with me in English and with each other in Thai. Eventually, they had me flip over, so one could nuru on me while her counterpart did a handjob, eventually Namtan added a PM, which was pretty good. Again, she asked a question while fingering my anus, before starting, "One finger or two?" I replied, "Please start with one. " Her PM work was exquisite, quite skilled.

After the introduction of PM, they had me flip again, to utilize the milking table with Namtan doing PM above and Zara doing HJ below. Man, it felt really nice! Eventually they switched to doggy PM with Namtan slapping my butt while switching to two fingers, while I was on all fours and Zara was on the side doing a really good handjob. But I couldn't cum because the PM was "over stimulating" me. Eventually, I flipped back over again, with Zara on top doing nuru and hugging and kissing me, while I fingered her ass and wet pussy. I really wanted to fuck them, but I am a good boy. Haha.

Namtan's stroke was a bit too fast so I had them switch to Namtan doing nuru on me. Man she's a hard body. And Zara doing a slower paced handjob and that's how I popped. Namtan's little rockhard butt turned me on. I mean really turned me on and she was licking my ear sensuously. And Zara's superior handjob style. Very slow and soft. Felt just right and I soon felt the climax coming. I came very hard!

Afterwards, Namtan left and Zara gave me a very slow and thorough shower, chatting sweetly and letting me know she liked me. I was really tempted to come back and fuck her, and expressed my delight with a 500 baht tip for the two of them. In the reception area, while putting on my shoes, the mamasan apologized that she had to leave for dinner but that Zara would keep me company. Zara chirped, with an easy and genuine smile, that she liked my company. She was probably angling for a replay, or to land a rich farang boyfriend, but. Whatev's. She made me happy and she's exactly the kind of girl I'd want for a GF, so I stuck around and flirted for a while.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2273883]Spasso's demographic is definitely tilted towards older pricier girls [/QUOTE]Older AND pricier would be an oxymoron for local Thai guys. Should be one or the other. But tourists and business guys from other countries love this kind of stuff for some reason. If I live to be 100 I will probably never understand it. Especially since study after study shows that men are interested in 20 year olds even when they're 80 years old. [URL]https://startsat60.com/discover/lifestyle/relationships/evolutionary-psychology-study-men-prefer-having-sex-with-younger-women[/URL].

[QUOTE=PatrickTravels;2273785]Been to BKK about a dozen times over the last 20 years. Here are a few notes from a recent trip.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the eye opening report.

$120 for a few minutes with a stink mouth prostitute who won't even blow you with a rubber.

More than that for an old lady with baby damage to work you over with a dildo.

Sad and depressing stuff. Especially when you realize there are clubs in the same city filled with university students who fuck and suck for 1500 Baht, yes even during the day. It is really night and day the difference in Thailand between stuff meant for locals and foreigners. I guess this will go on as long as foreigners continue to pay. I just wonder what the ceiling to it all is. If they get even fatter, start charging 20,000, and only let you look at their feet and jack off, will guys still line up for it??

[QUOTE=RickRock;2274789]Thanks for the eye opening report.

$120 for a few minutes with a stink mouth prostitute who won't even blow you with a rubber.

More than that for an old lady with baby damage to work you over with a dildo.

Sad and depressing stuff. Especially when you realize there are clubs in the same city filled with university students who fuck and suck for 1500 Baht, yes even during the day. It is really night and day the difference in Thailand between stuff meant for locals and foreigners. I guess this will go on as long as foreigners continue to pay. I just wonder what the ceiling to it all is. If they get even fatter, start charging 20,000, and only let you look at their feet and jack off, will guys still line up for it??[/QUOTE]Unfortunately the new money Chinamen, Japanese, Koreans, have bid prices to stratospheric levels.

Recently reading more reports that BFs are 1000 and ST is now 3000 in the gogos, does this vary by venue, by girl, by who the client is? I've been told most girls want 3500, and the whole pay up front thing too at a couple different gogos, per my last reports here, but then I was also able to negotiate 2500ST (but ended up giving 3000 due to performance and GFE). BFs also sometimes 700 sometimes 1000?

As for Thermae, I always thought the standard for ST nowadays is 2500ST. I had a girl tell me the other day that the standard (after we did the session, we had not discussed price prior, just that it would be ST) was 3000, when I handed her 2500. She said she would accept without much fuss. Just a negotiating tactic?

As for hits and misses as discussed with the clubs, I'm at about a 50/50 with gogos (at about 50% or more premium over Thermae), and also 50/50 with Thermae. Usually disappointment is due to CBJ and also body. I will admit it's much harder to judge physique at Thermae given the environment and how covered up many are, and the fact that I don't like fake bolt-ONS so many of the larger breasted girls are out, and then with the smaller chested ones you can't tell if there's actually anything there.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2274789]Thanks for the eye opening report.

$120 for a few minutes with a stink mouth prostitute who won't even blow you with a rubber.

More than that for an old lady with baby damage to work you over with a dildo.

Sad and depressing stuff. Especially when you realize there are clubs in the same city filled with university students who fuck and suck for 1500 Baht, yes even during the day. It is really night and day the difference in Thailand between stuff meant for locals and foreigners. I guess this will go on as long as foreigners continue to pay. I just wonder what the ceiling to it all is. If they get even fatter, start charging 20,000, and only let you look at their feet and jack off, will guys still line up for it??[/QUOTE]What a refreshing post. Should be in posts of distinction. Could not agree more. I am amazed at what I see dudes with these days. The standards have gotten so low. And as looks and performance has degraded, prices have gone up. Astonishing what guys are paying for some of these unattractive gals.

Thanks for taking the time to read my report. I read your response with great interest. I quickly scanned through your last 200 posts, literally. I couldn't find a single report from you on these venues that offer those great performing university students for 1500 baht. I read the last 50 pages of the forum before I took my trip, and tried the places that were described as the best by someone. The entire point of this forum is helping your fellow man, correct? Please provide details. FYI, I don't speak Thai, so if you are talking about so-called sideline girls via a broker or a website entirely in Thai, then that won't work. I have to say that the current Bangkok experience seems pretty disappointing, especially with regards to GFE, compared to many other places, like the FKKs or Latin America. Ten years ago, I had intense DFK and enthusiastic sex with well-trained girls at Annie's, but that place is long gone. At least Eden Club is mostly the same as 10 years ago. Any and all recommendations are welcome!

[QUOTE=RickRock;2274789]Thanks for the eye opening report.

$120 for a few minutes with a stink mouth prostitute who won't even blow you with a rubber.

More than that for an old lady with baby damage to work you over with a dildo.

Sad and depressing stuff. Especially when you realize there are clubs in the same city filled with university students who fuck and suck for 1500 Baht, yes even during the day. It is really night and day the difference in Thailand between stuff meant for locals and foreigners. I guess this will go on as long as foreigners continue to pay. I just wonder what the ceiling to it all is. If they get even fatter, start charging 20,000, and only let you look at their feet and jack off, will guys still line up for it??[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RickRock;2274789] Especially when you realize there are clubs in the same city filled with university students who fuck and suck for 1500 Baht, yes even during the day.[/QUOTE]Which clubs are you talking about, the Kapoo massage parlors? Or places where only locals are going?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2274966]What a refreshing post. Should be in posts of distinction. Could not agree more. I am amazed at what I see dudes with these days. The standards have gotten so low. And as looks and performance has degraded, prices have gone up. Astonishing what guys are paying for some of these unattractive gals.[/QUOTE]True but remember most of these dudes are recent arrivals from the land of whales (US) and are yet to appreciate that they can get younger and shapelier for less.

[QUOTE=PatrickTravels;2273785]Been to BKK about a dozen times over the last 20 years. Here are a few notes from a recent trip.

.....
.....[/QUOTE]Dude I enjoyed your trip report. From my experience it provided honest and actionable intel (even touching on the kinkier side of things) that is good for the veteran and newbie monger alike. My short list for next month is much the same:

Kinky: Eden Club, Sensual Massage Bangkok.

FS Massage: Tulip, Snow White.

Nana Plaza: Billboard, Butterflies (likely eye candy only).

Spur of the moment: Lower Suk FL / SW scene, Low-lee-tas.

Incall: Smocci.

Of course all subject to change, but that is to be expected in crazy Thailand.

SL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2275034]True but remember most of these dudes are recent arrivals from the land of whales (US) and are yet to appreciate that they can get younger and shapelier for less.[/QUOTE]Indeed, it is just a question of time before they become savy, and start finding better girls at lower prices. No one was born expert, we become one.

[QUOTE=PatrickTravels;2274977]T...I read your response with great interest. I quickly scanned through your last 200 posts, literally. I couldn't find a single report from you on these venues that offer those great performing university students for 1500 baht. I read the last 50 pages of the forum before I took my trip, and tried the places that were described as the best by someone...[/QUOTE]Nice work, reading the forum is the way to go. Over time, you will get the hang of it, know places, and start to have more fun. I went through that phase myself, and so did many other mongers. Think of it as the monger tuition. We all have to pay that, usually sooner rather than later.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2274862]Unfortunately the new money Chinamen, Japanese, Koreans, have bid prices to stratospheric levels.[/QUOTE]Funny you say that. A "Chinaman" introduced me to a 500 Baht brothel. A Japanese guy showed me a club where university students do me for 1500. All the Farang I know do is hang out with old stretched out baby mommas at overpriced go go and beer bars where the prices are much higher.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2275034]True but remember most of these dudes are recent arrivals from the land of whales (US) and are yet to appreciate that they can get younger and shapelier for less.[/QUOTE]I wonder if they will ever appreciate it. I see guys in their sixties with women approaching sixty. Terribly old, worn out, stretched, rude and foul mouthed to boot. And they are actually paying for this!

[QUOTE=PatrickTravels;2274977]Thanks for taking the time to read my report. I read your response with great interest. I quickly scanned through your last 200 posts, literally. I couldn't find a single report from you on these venues that offer those great performing university students for 1500 baht. I read the last 50 pages of the forum before I took my trip, and tried the places that were described as the best by someone. The entire point of this forum is helping your fellow man, correct? [/QUOTE]Here's what I said in the Chiang Mai forum. Applies here too.

"I used to say the same sort of thing. Experience has soured me though. The problem is you get nothing out of sharing the information. But when you go back to the places you share, the service goes way down and the prices go up. This isn't a closed community of seasoned mongers anymore. There are a lot of unhinged guys reading this site who will destroy anything you put them onto. I hope no farang ever finds any of the good places in Chiang Mai to be honest. ".

I've literally seen prices go up 400 percent a year or two after a good place in Vietnam was mentioned on this website. At the same time the attractive women left and the level of service bottomed out. It's fucking depressing. So I won't be posting any hidden gems for some time. They're easy enough to find with research. After all, I found them and I am no local. But you will do better if you speak and read the language or at the very least get some local male friends. It's amazing the difference when you leave the tourist areas, and this is true throughout Asia.

[QUOTE] I have to say that the current Bangkok experience seems pretty disappointing[/QUOTE]Objectively, it is that way. And all signs say that is only going to get worse.

There is absolutely no motivation for the lineups, services or staff to improve in any of the tourist places in Thailand. They have already found that they can be fat and ugly, refuse even a covered blowjob, and be rude and unwashed, and still make more in thirty minutes with a farang then they would in a month at a local factory.

When you see how bad it is, look no further than your fellow Farang for the blame.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2274945]Recently reading more reports that BFs are 1000 and ST is now 3000 in the gogos, does this vary by venue, by girl, by who the client is? I've been told most girls want 3500, and the whole pay up front thing too at a couple different gogos, per my last reports here, but then I was also able to negotiate 2500ST (but ended up giving 3000 due to performance and GFE). BFs also sometimes 700 sometimes 1000?

As for Thermae, I always thought the standard for ST nowadays is 2500ST. I had a girl tell me the other day that the standard (after we did the session, we had not discussed price prior, just that it would be ST) was 3000, when I handed her 2500. She said she would accept without much fuss. Just a negotiating tactic?

As for hits and misses as discussed with the clubs, I'm at about a 50/50 with gogos (at about 50% or more premium over Thermae), and also 50/50 with Thermae. Usually disappointment is due to CBJ and also body. I will admit it's much harder to judge physique at Thermae given the environment and how covered up many are, and the fact that I don't like fake bolt-ONS so many of the larger breasted girls are out, and then with the smaller chested ones you can't tell if there's actually anything there.[/QUOTE]Ask them up front. They're hookers, not a prom date. When I foray with freelancers I pose the questions straight up: any kids? Any tattoos? Any plastic surgery? Usually you can see the latter, but still doesn't hurt to ask. If they have kids or big ugly tattoos, or claim they don't suck cock, I say thanks for your time and move on. You're paying for a service. Shop around.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2275165]The problem is you get nothing out of sharing the information.[/QUOTE]Fuck that shit! This site is for sharing.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2275163]A Japanese guy showed me a club where university students do me for 1500. All the Farang I know do is hang out with old stretched out baby mommas at overpriced go go[/QUOTE]Obviously an exaggeration. Mostly old, baby mommas at go-go bars?

In the Cambodian forum, I am certain of your exaggeration BS. In this and other forums, I just suspect.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2275216]Fuck that shit! This site is for sharing.

Obviously an exaggeration. Mostly old, baby mommas at go-go bars?

In the Cambodian forum, I am certain of your exaggeration BS. In this and other forums, I just suspect.[/QUOTE]Hahaha.

Whatever gets you through the day man.

Exact locations have already been sent to trusted members by PM.

Enjoy the young flawless beauties of the go go bars.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2274966]What a refreshing post. Should be in posts of distinction. Could not agree more. I am amazed at what I see dudes with these days. The standards have gotten so low. And as looks and performance has degraded, prices have gone up. Astonishing what guys are paying for some of these unattractive gals.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I can't reply to your PM because your inbox is full.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2275165]Here's what I said in the Chiang Mai forum. Applies here too.

"I used to say the same sort of thing. Experience has soured me though. The problem is you get nothing out of sharing the information. But when you go back to the places you share, the service goes way down and the prices go up. This isn't a closed community of seasoned mongers anymore. There are a lot of unhinged guys reading this site who will destroy anything you put them onto. I hope no farang ever finds any of the good places in Chiang Mai to be honest. ".

I've literally seen prices go up 400 percent a year or two after a good place in Vietnam was mentioned on this website. At the same time the attractive women left and the level of service bottomed out. It's fucking depressing. So I won't be posting any hidden gems for some time. They're easy enough to find with research. After all, I found them and I am no local. But you will do better if you speak and read the language or at the very least get some local male friends. It's amazing the difference when you leave the tourist areas, and this is true throughout Asia.

Objectively, it is that way. And all signs say that is only going to get worse.

There is absolutely no motivation for the lineups, services or staff to improve in any of the tourist places in Thailand. They have already found that they can be fat and ugly, refuse even a covered blowjob, and be rude and unwashed, and still make more in thirty minutes with a farang then they would in a month at a local factory.

When you see how bad it is, look no further than your fellow Farang for the blame.[/QUOTE]Sad to admit, but this completely TRUE.

The moment a "gem" gets publicized. The doomsday clock has started. And now it dies / changes for the worst sooner rather than later.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2275237]Thanks. I can't reply to your PM because your inbox is full.[/QUOTE]Sorry about that. I've deleted some, so it should be ok now.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2275166]Ask them up front. They're hookers, not a prom date. When I foray with freelancers I pose the questions straight up: any kids? Any tattoos? Any plastic surgery? Usually you can see the latter, but still doesn't hurt to ask. If they have kids or big ugly tattoos, or claim they don't suck cock, I say thanks for your time and move on. You're paying for a service. Shop around.[/QUOTE]You're right, of course. I've had to become much more discerning and just deal with social awkwardness (after all, rejection is still rejection and feels bad from both sides, imo), but still not sure how to politely / discreetly figure out if she has anything up top or baby damage (one girl that had kids still had an amazing body, another had obvious baby damage, and even without babies some have pooches despite being very slim). The insistence on CBJ thing seems to be a more recent thing it seems to me, much more now than a year ago. Even then, part of me can't fault the girl for wanting to be safer as that's also good for me.

That being said, what about what we should be expecting for prices? I playfully was able to negotiate down from 2500ST to 2400ST, but it was with a girl who I think was just starting (and not hardened / spoiled yet) and seemed to really like me for some reason. To the members who frequent Nana / Cowboy more, are the barfines variable by club or just up to the whim of the mama (within the range of 700-1000)? ST at gogos I thought was also 2500, but recently none would go for less than 3000, and several reports of 3000 as well. Though I got one to go for 2500 by asking for it up front to the waitress who would go negotiate for me.

Tired of the "1500 baht for university students" as if all students are hot. They're not. They're not even all students. The language barrier was a bit too great to even give a damn. But if talking to a girl just because she has the "university girl" label that you imagined gets you off then so be it. Lots of girls at "local's" bars / clubs are not even educated or go to university. And some of the ones who do go to school have money to not even be interested in FLing. You are left with a very small subsection of university or uneducated younger girl who may be interested in some extra cash. Generally this will lead to more frustration. This "university girls at the club only local's go to" isn't all that.

If you're a newbie, you're better off doing a variety of things to find out what works for you. Try a soapie, try a massage parlor, try a FL beer bar, try a gogo bar, try just walking up and down Sukhumvit, try online dating sites. If you're on a budget, well either a soapie or going for a nightly walk will be your best bet. You'll bound to find a few good looking ones. If you happen to match up with one and things go well, that's when you save her contact for future trips. Over time, you will have a nice contacts list.

It's not all doom and gloom. That's just ignorance. Can't make the claim of coming from a land of whales to then entering Thailand and claim now all the FLs or girls are fat, ugly, expensive. That makes no sense otherwise this forum would be empty. There are a number of lookers out there. Personally, I don't like a Thai girls look but even I can look past that and scale a Thai girls face from the good, bad, and just OK. Everything is more spread out now. If you're still stuck on sitting at just the beer bars and having a nice honey with you like 10 years ago, then you haven't adapted and will be stuck on 10 years ago.

Not saying it hasn't gotten worse. Agree that it's trending downward too. Price of the hotel & food are about the same as about 7 ish years ago but the price of the girls have gone up 2 to 5 times. A lot of that is self inflicted buy many mongers. Pretty much all from everywhere. But you can still find that nice 1500 to 2000 baht ST FL. It's really not horribly difficult. If you get out there early enough or just after the bars are closing, you have a great chance.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2275305]You're right, of course. I've had to become much more discerning and just deal with social awkwardness (after all, rejection is still rejection and feels bad from both sides, imo), but still not sure how to politely / discreetly figure out if she has anything up top or baby damage (one girl that had kids still had an amazing body, another had obvious baby damage, and even without babies some have pooches despite being very slim).[/QUOTE]Just ask. Seriously. "Do you have any kids? Any tattoos?" It's not that tough. When you hire a plumber, don't you ask them some questions first?

[QUOTE] The insistence on CBJ thing seems to be a more recent thing it seems to me, much more now than a year ago. Even then, part of me can't fault the girl for wanting to be safer as that's also good for me.[/QUOTE]In other words, you're fine with it. So don't worry then. Enjoy the CBJ.

[QUOTE]That being said, what about what we should be expecting for prices? [/QUOTE]You can have sex with a university student with no tattoos, babies or stretch marks for between 1500 and 3000 Baht with little effort. So in my opinion, this is the fair price. For an older woman with a lot of mileage, tattoos, stretch marks, etc. , I would say a fair price is maybe 500-700 Baht. Believe it or not some will fuck you for that much. Yes even go go girls, if you get their LINE info and meet them in your condo during the day. But most probably won't do you for that much if you're a standard tourist. Because they don't have to. Because lots of farang will happily give them 3000,4000, 5000, or more, for 15 minutes of starfish activity. So I guess the fair price is "up to you".

[QUOTE]I playfully was able to negotiate down from 2500ST to 2400ST, but it was with a girl who I think was just starting (and not hardened / spoiled yet) and seemed to really like me for some reason. To the members who frequent Nana / Cowboy more, are the barfines variable by club or just up to the whim of the mama (within the range of 700-1000)? ST at gogos I thought was also 2500, but recently none would go for less than 3000, and several reports of 3000 as well. Though I got one to go for 2500 by asking for it up front to the waitress who would go negotiate for me.[/QUOTE]Believe it or not, bar fines are negotiable. The mama can change them if she wants to. Some people don't believe it, but it's true. Anyway, I last did a girl out of Nana last month. I paid 1880 Baht total. One lady drink, one bar fine, and 1000 for the girl. Repeated the next day in my room before she went to work for 1000. She has no baby damage, but unfortunately does have a tattoo over her tit.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2275329]Just ask. Seriously. "Do you have any kids? Any tattoos?" It's not that tough. When you hire a plumber, don't you ask them some questions first?

In other words, you're fine with it. So don't worry then. Enjoy the CBJ.

You can have sex with a university student with no tattoos, babies or stretch marks for between 1500 and 3000 Baht with little effort. So in my opinion, this is the fair price. For an older woman with a lot of mileage, tattoos, stretch marks, etc. , I would say a fair price is maybe 500-700 Baht. Believe it or not some will fuck you for that much. Yes even go go girls, if you get their LINE info and meet them in your condo during the day. But most probably won't do you for that much if you're a standard tourist. Because they don't have to. Because lots of farang will happily give them 3000,4000, 5000, or more, for 15 minutes of starfish activity. So I guess the fair price is "up to you".

Believe it or not, bar fines are negotiable. The mama can change them if she wants to. Some people don't believe it, but it's true. Anyway, I last did a girl out of Nana last month. I paid 1880 Baht total. One lady drink, one bar fine, and 1000 for the girl. Repeated the next day in my room before she went to work for 1000. She has no baby damage, but unfortunately does have a tattoo over her tit.[/QUOTE]Is BBFS+CIP and BBBJ+CIM normally included at those 1500-3000 baht rates or negotiable with little effort with the university girls you're talking about? How about with the 1880-1000 baht Nana go-go dancer you mentioned?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2275358]Is BBFS+CIP and BBBJ+CIM normally included at those 1500-3000 baht rates or negotiable with little effort with the university girls you're talking about? How about with the 1880-1000 baht Nana go-go dancer you mentioned?[/QUOTE]From what Thai friends tell me, it often (but not always) is. Depends on the lady. I wouldn't know because I use condoms and fire off in the rubber. I am like my Thai friends in that I'd rather have a timid 19 year old beauty with a perfect body in a few positions then a hardcore 30 year old hooker who is skilled but looks like she was hit by a bus covered in tattoo needles and stretch mark making machines.

The Nana dancer sucked me pretty good, then 69, then I fired off in the rubber with her too. Probably spent 45 minutes with her. I was just looking to blow a load, so I got what I came for. She doesn't long time because her Thai boyfriend is jealous and he waits for her after work. Seriously, I have seen him around waiting. Lucky for me 45 minutes is more than enough time to climax.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2275365]From what Thai friends tell me, it often (but not always) is. Depends on the lady. I wouldn't know because I use condoms and fire off in the rubber. I am like my Thai friends in that I'd rather have a timid 19 year old beauty with a perfect body in a few positions then a hardcore 30 year old hooker who is skilled but looks like she was hit by a bus covered in tattoo needles and stretch mark making machines.

The Nana dancer sucked me pretty good, then 69, then I fired off in the rubber with her too. Probably spent 45 minutes with her. I was just looking to blow a load, so I got what I came for. She doesn't long time because her Thai boyfriend is jealous and he waits for her after work. Seriously, I have seen him around waiting. Lucky for me 45 minutes is more than enough time to climax.[/QUOTE]Ah, then that might solve the mystery about why some of us are fine with taking the go-go dancers we take and paying the barfine plus 2000-2500 to the girl. I suspect those lovely little university students are very much into sticking to the "Thai style" of things. I've been with some in the past who would fight to the death just to avoid DATY!

Unfortunately, I am 65 years old, not Thai, and was only able to fire off into a rubber once when I was about 20. And I think I am still suffering mild, lingering pain from almost rupturing a vital internal organ trying to squeeze that one off. So condoms are a non starter.

In my case at least, the lovely young lady could be the just turned 18 year old reigning Miss Virgin Teen Thailand and Top University Prom Queen. But unless, with little effort, she was clearly prepared to provide me with BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM, then paying as low as 200 (two hundred) baht for an hour alone with her would be a waste of my time and money.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2275034]True but remember most of these dudes are recent arrivals from the land of whales (US) and are yet to appreciate that they can get younger and shapelier for less.[/QUOTE]Most of the sex tourists are from China, Japan, Korea. What's their excuse?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2275400]...............Unfortunately, I am 65 years old, not Thai, and was only able to fire off into a rubber once when I was about 20. And I think I am still suffering mild, lingering pain from almost rupturing a vital internal organ trying to squeeze that one off. So condoms are a non starter.............[/QUOTE]You are so lucky to be able to enjoy BBFS. I am the same age as you and prior to 1991 had numerous BBFS for close to 20 years. Then came the Magic Johnson announcement and some disconcerting symptoms on my part (turned out not problematic just psychological) and I swore off BBFS. At first I could not finish in a condom but in time I was able to. If I were to go BBFS with a hooker now it would not be enjoyable for me, the worrying alone would ensure that. I do enjoy DATY and rimming with certain girls, however, (intuition being my guide), no worries there.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2275441]You are so lucky to be able to enjoy BBFS. I am the same age as you and prior to 1991 had numerous BBFS for close to 20 years. Then came the Magic Johnson announcement and some disconcerting symptoms on my part (turned out not problematic just psychological) and I swore off BBFS. At first I could not finish in a condom but in time I was able to. If I were to go BBFS with a hooker now it would not be enjoyable for me, the worrying alone would ensure that. I do enjoy DATY and rimming with certain girls, however, (intuition being my guide), no worries there.[/QUOTE]Everyone has their own level of risk aversion. Mine is somewhere between yours and EihTooms although much closer to his. Anyway, the whole point of P4 P is to have a good time, so do what makes you happy and let others do what makes them happy. For me there is no comparison between BBFS and covered sex. None. But unlike EihTooms, I would not reject a girl because she insisted on a condom for vaginal intercourse. On the other hand, I feel much stronger about BBBJ's vs CBJ's - CBJ's are a total waste of time IMHO. And I will not repeat, nor tip any girl who insists on wearing a condom for a bj. I have even been known to cancel sessions in midstream when a girl erected such a road block. Fortunately, CBJ's are not the default and I rarely encounter CBJ girls. Thank the Lord. So, in my last 100 girls I would estimate I have had no more than 6 girls who insisted on a CBJ. My stats on BBFS is very different with roughly doing 20% to 30% BBFS depending on the particular SE Asian country I am in. My Thai stats for BBFS are at the low end of that percentage.

But if you or others prefer/require more protection to enjoy yourselves then rock on. It is none of my business. I would be amiss, however, in not pointing out that DATY, which you currently enjoy as do I, has its risks too. Go ask Michael Douglas. Thus, risk aversion, as I pointed out at the beginning of this post, is a very personal, subjective matter. There is no right or wrong only what you and the girl are comfortable with.

I go to BK sinds 40 years! And I stay always in the Nana area.

My last time was 2 months ago.

Thermae caf: plenty of nice young girls, but not realy my place, feel like a meat market.

Beer Garden: Always all day girls, not the youngest ones, but sometimes you can be Lucky.

And have a good time with for 1000 be.

My standard way!

1. I go in the morning / noon to a open day bar (not in front of my hotel) and look around for the lady staff.

They have a morning and a night shift from 10 to 6 and 6 to 2 am).

If I see one that I like I let me serve by her and start a chat.

I go and come back a few houres later and chat again, she nows still my name, etc.

I repeat this the day after and if the contact is good, you can ask her to see her / come to your hotel.

After 6 pm and her shift, before she go home. Usually 1000 be.

2. I go to a massage parlor, look if there is a mas. Lady that I like and if yes, I go for a 1 HR body massage.

At 400 be. Of course at the end of the session she ask if you want some special (!1500 be!

Than I say no, because I do'nt like s*x in a massage cabin, but I ask to see her later after her shift.

Or if not possible, I tell her I come back tomorrow and you come give the massage in my room.

Mostly the boss allow this, you pay only 100 be more to take her out.

Than, we have a good shower toghetter and mas. In a clean spacy room, cosy atmosphere and the full service at the.

End for only 1000 be more. Total time about 1,5 h.

Good luck, enjoy!

[QUOTE=Tommylove;2274477]My GF and I had a 10 hour layover in Bangkok, so I decided to go get some sex and then meet up with my GF for dinner at Gaggan. She's open minded and said she wanted to do some shopping and realized that I needed to let off some steam. She added with a smile, "handjob only!" When the Airport Link / BTS dropped me near Nana, I used Google maps to guide me to the Analisa spa, but it took me to the wrong one! It turns out there's one near Asoke station and another near Nana station. I was tempted to stay, because there were several cuties, but the mamasan said they couldn't accept me if I had an appointment at the other place. They can't poach each other's clients! She texted that I'the be late, and since it was rush hour I hoofed it over, instead of getting a taxi and then stuck in traffic.

...

By the way, this dinner at Gaggan was a $500 tasting menu for two. It's a Michelin two star that has won best restaurant in Asia a number of times. Amazing food, 25 dishes described by an emoji only dinner. The funnest dish was called "Lick it up 👅" and they played the song by Kiss at table with portable speaker, as they served the dish, which was eaten by licking the plate. The most surprising was the chili egg. A synthetic egg filled with chili infused sauces, sitting on a crunchy "nest", that exploded into indescribably delicious flavors your mouth. The absolute most delicious was the lamb chop perfectly prepared in a 140 oil cooker for 4 hours, flavored with lemongrass and pepper. It was a perfect way to end the evening before heading back to BKK for the flight home.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a nice GF. Coincidentally my GF and I were also at Gaggan some months ago. I thought it was a bit too "different just to be different" myself, but she thought it was really great.

For people who like to eat in Bangkok (and a few other cities) I will strongly recommend installing the "eatigo" app on their phone. You won't find Gaggan or similar places there, but you will find many other there, both 3-star and 5-star. If you're flexible about time, the discount can be substantial. Up to 50%. Been using it for over a year now and found some really good restaurants I would not have found out about otherwise. The eatigo app and concept is really good imo.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2275418]Most of the sex tourists are from China, Japan, Korea. What's their excuse?[/QUOTE]My last visit to Thailand was in 2015. I cannot recall seeing back then Asian tourists with fat ugly Thai girls. Is that happening now?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2275783]My last visit to Thailand was in 2015. I cannot recall seeing back then Asian tourists with fat ugly Thai girls. Is that happening now?[/QUOTE]East Asians are 95% of the customers in Thermae. I wouldn't fuck any of the girls in there to be frank.

East Asians have taken over the gogos. The increase in Chinamen at gogos since 2015 has been stunning. You can only imagine the numbers that will be there 5 years from now.

Yes, you do see fat disgusting 60 year farang with fat disgusting 40 year old bar girls.

East Asians make up the majority of the customers in Bangkok gogos. Apparently they like average looking Issan girls. It's certainly not Farang barfining them every night.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2275786]East Asians make up the majority of the customers in Bangkok gogos. Apparently they like average looking Issan girls. It's certainly not Farang barfining them every night.[/QUOTE]I actually think they are not into the Issan look, its more the farangs. If you look at the girls in Thermae they are a lot more whiter skinned than the one's I see going with farangs at the end of the night.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2275783]My last visit to Thailand was in 2015. I cannot recall seeing back then Asian tourists with fat ugly Thai girls. Is that happening now?[/QUOTE]Younger to middle aged Asians are taking the average to attractive Thai girls and those girls are earning more. Better than a crusty old white farang. Probably why there's a lot of whining on these forums.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2275984]Younger to middle aged Asians are taking the average to attractive Thai girls and those girls are earning more. Better than a crusty old white farang. Probably why there's a lot of whining on these forums.[/QUOTE]During my last trip at end of 2018, my fav girls were taken by same group of young Korean guys for 3 consecutive days. And I can guarantee you these are relatively white slim young Thai girls. Damn I really envy them.

[QUOTE=Faceless78;2275999]During my last trip at end of 2018, my fav girls were taken by same group of young Korean guys for 3 consecutive days. And I can guarantee you these are relatively white slim young Thai girls. Damn I really envy them.[/QUOTE]40+ year old farang can be excused for wanting to not date 40+ land whales in their own country. A beaten up 40+ Issan bar girl is likely a step up, but what's the excuse for these young Koreans chasing Issan hookers their own age?

[QUOTE=PointyStick;2275895]I actually think they are not into the Issan look, its more the farangs. If you look at the girls in Thermae they are a lot more whiter skinned than the one's I see going with farangs at the end of the night.[/QUOTE]For sure it's a different look in Thermae, but they are ordinary looking women in there. Frumpy is how I'd classify them.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2275984]Younger to middle aged Asians are taking the average to attractive Thai girls and those girls are earning more. Better than a crusty old white farang. Probably why there's a lot of whining on these forums.[/QUOTE]Don't forget the nightmare exchange rates. I suspect a lot of us westerners cannot afford the GoGos frequently unless we're two week millionaires. I can Asian women cheaper in Sydney, Australia than at a GoGo.

[QUOTE=PointyStick;2275895] If you look at the girls in Thermae they are a lot more whiter skinned than the one's I see going with farangs at the end of the night.[/QUOTE]Being white skinned doesn't necessary mean that the girl is not from Essan. I've known plenty that are absolutely avoiding the sun and taking diet supplements and applying cosmetics that they've been told would eventually make them appear whiter. Most of the time when a girl says she comes from Chiang Mai it's pure BS to make us believe that she is not from Essan.

[QUOTE=PointyStick;2276067]Don't forget the nightmare exchange rates. I suspect a lot of us westerners cannot afford the GoGos frequently unless we're two week millionaires. I can Asian women cheaper in Sydney, Australia than at a GoGo.[/QUOTE]I'm not so sure about that theory.

GDP per capita is as follows:

China $8,800.

South Korea $29,700.

Japan $38,400.

UK $39,700.

Canada $45,000.

Australia $53,800.

USA $59,500.

The average Chinaman or Korean will generally have less money than the average Westerner.

I think the influx of East Asians, particular Chinese, has to do with Chinese government's crackdown on prostitution. This reduces the supply, and the result is higher price and reduced service. This is very obvious in China.

It is not that Chinese want to pay more. It is possible the girls just randomly increase the price to see if it sticks. There are many newbies paying the asking price not knowing what the going price is. Eventually all girls are asking the same price. I think it is just stupid for all girls to support the same price because not all girls can get the same amount of business.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2276006]For sure it's a different look in Thermae, but they are ordinary looking women in there. Frumpy is how I'd classify them.[/QUOTE]Frumpy is the rule of the day in LOS. Women in the country are dressing in a far more conservative manner than they did a few years ago. Many reasons for this as well.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2276235]I'm not so sure about that theory...The average Chinaman or Korean will generally have less money than the average Westerner.[/QUOTE]Absolutely this is true and I have said it here many times before (though without the derogatory terminology). But people like to have a foreign boogie man to blame, even when they are themselves foreigners in a strange land!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2276341]Frumpy is the rule of the day in LOS. Women in the country are dressing in a far more conservative manner than they did a few years ago. Many reasons for this as well.[/QUOTE]Been this way for at least 10 years I think. Compare Thai women to ladies in bordering countries and it can be like night and day. Thais just don't want to be bothered putting on makeup or a dress, unless they work a go go or beer bar then they cake on the war paint with a roller. Not everyone, but enough to make any observer stand up and take note.

[QUOTE=PointyStick;2276067]Don't forget the nightmare exchange rates. I suspect a lot of us westerners cannot afford the GoGos frequently unless we're two week millionaires. I can Asian women cheaper in Sydney, Australia than at a GoGo.[/QUOTE]I'm from America. Exchange rate hasn't noticeably changed for me since I started going to Thailand more than 10 years ago. It was 33 first time I went. Now it's 32.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2276005]40+ year old farang can be excused for wanting to not date 40+ land whales in their own country. A beaten up 40+ Issan bar girl is likely a step up, but what's the excuse for these young Koreans chasing Issan hookers their own age?[/QUOTE]I don't really understand the whole idea, it's quite Norma for 20+ age men take 20+ age girls. Actually all men will like to take girls at 20's.

After all, thought people have some negative feeling for Isaan girl, there are still many beauty among them.

Concerning the large number.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2276235]I'm not so sure about that theory.

GDP per capita is as follows:

China $8,800.

South Korea $29,700.

Japan $38,400.

UK $39,700.

Canada $45,000.

Australia $53,800.

USA $59,500.

The average Chinaman or Korean will generally have less money than the average Westerner.[/QUOTE]The problem is that it is average of the entire population. You will get a different picture if you take average of first 1 million of the population.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2276349]I'm from America. Exchange rate hasn't noticeably changed for me since I started going to Thailand more than 10 years ago. It was 33 first time I went. Now it's 32.[/QUOTE]The AUD has declined from 33 to 22 in about 5 years. I think 10 years ago the pound was around 80 and is going down past 40. Try being a retiree and leaving off your UK pension when your expenses have doubled and this doesn't factor in inflation.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2276349]I'm from America. Exchange rate hasn't noticeably changed for me since I started going to Thailand more than 10 years ago. It was 33 first time I went. Now it's 32.[/QUOTE]It's changed a lot for those of us that have been here since the late 90's. Was in the 40's when I moved here. Got up to almost 45 at one point. The Baht used to trail the PI Peso by 10. Did that for years. Now the Baht is curiously strong compared to the rest of the countries in the region, due mainly to their large cash reserves.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2276347]Been this way for at least 10 years I think. Compare Thai women to ladies in bordering countries and it can be like night and day. Thais just don't want to be bothered putting on makeup or a dress, unless they work a go go or beer bar then they cake on the war paint with a roller. Not everyone, but enough to make any observer stand up and take note.[/QUOTE]I'd say in the late 00's and up until '14 this was not really the rule. During that time the gals here were starting to be a bit more daring in their dress and seemed to finally be going through an awakening of their sexuality. None the more apparant then on uni campuses where the gals would do their best to wear the shortest uniform skirts and the tightest shirts. After '14 this started to change. Now, you rarely see a Thai gal in a belly shirt, short shorts, or a tight uniform. That is all taboo. Amazingly, the cat has been put back in the bag. As far as the P4 P scene is concerned, nowhere is this more noticable than in Thermae.

You are getting it too wrong, reading economical figures and looking at applied economics is difference, the fact is the westerners have less money with reference to mongering in Thailand is correct. More Westerners might have more money, but less people from poor countries have lot of money.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2276235]I'm not so sure about that theory.

GDP per capita is as follows:

China $8,800.

South Korea $29,700.

Japan $38,400.

UK $39,700.

Canada $45,000.

Australia $53,800.

USA $59,500.

The average Chinaman or Korean will generally have less money than the average Westerner.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChoduMadan;2276463]You are getting it too wrong, reading economical figures and looking at applied economics is difference, the fact is the westerners have less money with reference to mongering in Thailand is correct. More Westerners might have more money, but less people from poor countries have lot of money.[/QUOTE]It would be interesting to hear from Chinese mongers about how much their expenses are. I'm sure it cost less to fly from China to LOS than from the US. I can get from Sydney to Bangkok for under 8000 baht on a budget airline.

[QUOTE=ChoduMadan;2276463]You are getting it too wrong, reading economical figures and looking at applied economics is difference, the fact is the westerners have less money with reference to mongering in Thailand is correct. More Westerners might have more money, but less people from poor countries have lot of money.[/QUOTE]I can't really follow what you're saying. Did you mean to say that more westerners have more money, but less westerners have a lot of money?

It doesn't make any sense.

A lot of these China man, Korean, Japanese sex tourists are in the prime of their working lives. If they can find the money for a $130 short time I don't think I'd classify them as rich.

Many of the East Asian sex tourists don't exactly dress and carry themselves like covert multi-millionaires. Often sandals, cheap t-shirt, cheap man purse around their shoulder. Even the Japanese expats with the standard issue white business shirt, black slacks, just look like regular salary men to me.

I love the line, Lies damn lies and statistics.

Japanese and Koreans are prepared to spend more. What does it matter whether relatively they can afford it or not. Because of this and some other well accepted reasons in certain situations they are more popular with the ladies. That's the reality.

That said we westerners are not shut out. In some ways we have advantages and can be more liked. We have by and large a better sense of humor and are generally more considerate of the girl also having a good time.

To me it's about accepting what you cannot change going with the flow and making the best of the still numerous and diverse opportunities this country has to offer.

Why keep complaining and harping back to the good ole days. They are gone, they are confined to the dustbin of history.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2275163]Funny you say that. A "Chinaman" introduced me to a 500 Baht brothel. A Japanese guy showed me a club where university students do me for 1500. All the Farang I know do is hang out with old stretched out baby mommas at overpriced go go and beer bars where the prices are much higher.[/QUOTE]I think a big part of it is that the Chinamen and Japanese are exposed to that Asian style of prostitution from the time they are young adults. For quite a number of Chinamen their first sexual experience will be in a brothel. It's very normal for the Chinaman to have sex with prostitutes behind the back of his wife. They have a lifetime of exposure to brothels.

In the Western world, prostitution is taboo among men, looked down upon as a last resort for men who can't get sex any other way.

The Chinamen will always be better at navigating the brothels in south-east Asia compared to the recently divorced Westerner who has been with the same woman since high school.

I rarely, if ever, take a girl from a GoGo or club. However, tonight I found myself at Billboard in NEP enjoying a spectacular show of different gorgeous women dancing only feet from me. I was spoilt for choice and started to reconsider this option. At one point, around 12:30, this girl next door type started flirting with me from the stage and eventually drifted off out of my view. However, shortly thereafter she was in my lap having taking a roundabout way over to my bar stool.

I ordered her a drink (170 b) and we started light petting etc.while I started to think long and hard about doing one of my rare bar fines. She told me the bar fine is 700 but could not do long time because she had school. Apparently, the same short time situation was also in the cards for tomorrow though never quite understood why she mentioned the next day. When I asked her for the short time rate, she said it was 2000 to which I quickly agreed. She also said it was for two hours though I forgot to ask her how many pops were involved. For what it's worth, she said that she had working in Bangkok for two years. From Issan, of course.

Then the mamasan came over and I was ready to pay her the 700 BF when she said the girls short term rate was 3000. When I said 2000, she shook her head and walked off. I asked my new friend about the rate and once again she said 2000. I repeated this 2000 amount again to the mamasan when she came over but with the same shake of her head she repeated 3000. I thought my girl may have told me that I need to say I was going to pay 3000 (to the mamasan) but it was so loud in there I am not sure that I heard this correctly.

With that conversation undone my friend disappeared and reappeared on stage a few minutes later. I beckoned her over from the stage to clarify what was up and this time she said it was 3000 plus 700. By now, I was pretty irritated and declined and left as it was 1 am anyway.

So why does the mamasan care what the girl and I agreed too? I assume that my short time payment would be to the girl, not to the bar.

The girl mentioned going to her hotel but I told her my apartment was close by and preferred that option. I am thinking she does not stay in hotel but wanted to use a short term hotel in the complex, which I had no interest in utilizing but she did not objec to using my apartment either. Other than that, I found this whole payment scenario perplexing. Can someone shed light on this practice? For what’s its worth, there were a lot girls in there at 1am and not too many punters so figure a lot of girls were going home without a customer though they may have had one earlier.

[QUOTE=PointyStick;2276525]It would be interesting to hear from Chinese mongers about how much their expenses are. I'm sure it cost less to fly from China to LOS than from the US. I can get from Sydney to Bangkok for under 8000 baht on a budget airline.[/QUOTE]It is a very wide range. One thing you need to know is Chinese mix business with entertainment in various ways so business people are used to spend a lot of money in KTVs, then sex after. If you look at the places that cater to Japanese expats in Bangkok, it is the same thing. The company pays for a portion of the expenses for their expats.

Some expenses are difficult to categorize because Chinese tend to build relationship with girls. Many fall in love. They visit each other, attending birthday parties, move in together and so on. There are many stories reported, some with good endings, some went terribly wrong. If talking about wealthy business men. They basically take it to another level that you don't read about here.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2276690]I rarely, if ever, take a girl from a GoGo or club. However, tonight I found myself at Billboard in NEP enjoying a spectacular show of different gorgeous women dancing only feet from me. I was spoilt for choice and started to reconsider this option. At one point, around 12:30, this girl next door type started flirting with me from the stage and eventually drifted off out of my view. However, shortly thereafter she was in my lap having taking a roundabout way over to my bar stool.

I ordered her a drink (170 b) and we started light petting etc.while I started to think long and hard about doing one of my rare bar fines. She told me the bar fine is 700 but could not do long time because she had school. Apparently, the same short time situation was also in the cards for tomorrow though never quite understood why she mentioned the next day. When I asked her for the short time rate, she said it was 2000 to which I quickly agreed. She also said it was for two hours though I forgot to ask her how many pops were involved. For what it's worth, she said that she had working in Bangkok for two years. From Issan, of course.

Then the mamasan came over and I was ready to pay her the 700 BF when she said the girls short term rate was 3000. When I said 2000, she shook her head and walked off. I asked my new friend about the rate and once again she said 2000. I repeated this 2000 amount again to the mamasan when she came over but with the same shake of her head she repeated 3000. I thought my girl may have told me that I need to say I was going to pay 3000 (to the mamasan) but it was so loud in there I am not sure that I heard this correctly.

With that conversation undone my friend disappeared and reappeared on stage a few minutes later. I beckoned her over from the stage to clarify what was up and this time she said it was 3000 plus 700. By now, I was pretty irritated and declined and left as it was 1 am anyway.

So why does the mamasan care what the girl and I agreed too? I assume that my short time payment would be to the girl, not to the bar.

The girl mentioned going to her hotel but I told her my apartment was close by and preferred that option. I am thinking she does not stay in hotel but wanted to use a short term hotel in the complex, which I had no interest in utilizing but she did not objec to using my apartment either. Other than that, I found this whole payment scenario perplexing. Can someone shed light on this practice? For whats its worth, there were a lot girls in there at 1am and not too many punters so figure a lot of girls were going home without a customer though they may have had one earlier.[/QUOTE]Just tell the mamasan that you'll pay the girl at your hotel / apartment, and you'll just pay the barfine at the bar. I have never had a mamasan object to that. Then you can pay the girl what you agreed to before she leaves your hotel. I wonder though if there's any chance her english wasn't so good, and she meant 3000 rather than 2000?? That's not the case if you verified with her by using your fingers to specify '2'. In any case, sorry it was a crummy night for you.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2276791]Just tell the mamasan that you'll pay the girl at your hotel / apartment, and you'll just pay the barfine at the bar. I have never had a mamasan object to that. Then you can pay the girl what you agreed to before she leaves your hotel. I wonder though if there's any chance her english wasn't so good, and she meant 3000 rather than 2000?? That's not the case if you verified with her by using your fingers to specify '2'. In any case, sorry it was a crummy night for you.[/QUOTE]I've never discussed hooker money with a mamasan. Tell her to fuck off. This ain't Angeles City. What you pay is between you and the girl. All you owe to the bar is what's on your bill: drinks and barfine.

By the way, I took two different girls out of Billboard bathtub area over the last 6 months. Never paid either of them more than 1500 Baht. Did them in the short time right next door.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2276601]I think a big part of it is that the Chinamen and Japanese are exposed to that Asian style of prostitution from the time they are young adults. For quite a number of Chinamen their first sexual experience will be in a brothel. It's very normal for the Chinaman to have sex with prostitutes behind the back of his wife. They have a lifetime of exposure to brothels.

In the Western world, prostitution is taboo among men, looked down upon as a last resort for men who can't get sex any other way.

The Chinamen will always be better at navigating the brothels in south-east Asia compared to the recently divorced Westerner who has been with the same woman since high school.[/QUOTE]Depends what part of the western world you grow up in. Prostitution is legal in most of Europe, and brothels are common. Even in the American hell there are places where brothels and hookers are very common. Street near where I grew up in the states has had at least 3-4 brothels on it since I was born. They're still there now. Of course the sign says "massage" but you go in and you get sex.

Generally I agree with you though. Guys from parts of the West are beaten over the head with certain rhetoric that most never seem able to completely shake. A lot of the overcompensation you see in terms of tipping and going super long time comes out of this I think. Just my opinion.

But I prefer the Asian model. You might be surprised, but a lot of Asian prostitutes do too. That's why so many western guys complain about getting "scammed" by Thai and Filipina girls. Only one half of those "relationships" thinks it is a relationship. The other half knows all along that a service is being offered for cash.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2276579]Japanese and Koreans are prepared to spend more. What does it matter whether relatively they can afford it or not. Because of this and some other well accepted reasons in certain situations they are more popular with the ladies. That's the reality.[/QUOTE]Well, as mentioned it's not necessarily true. I have Asian friends in Thailand who are either Thai themselves, or there full time or regularly on business. They usually go to much less expensive places than the go go bars. One Chinese pal introduced me to 500 Baht brothels that he loves. The guy is actually quite well off too. Japanese and Thai friends usually go to Kapoo clubs and spend maybe half of what a short time costs at Nana Plaza. Then they get their contact info and meet them outside of the clubs regularly for 500-1000 Baht.

I think the divide is really between tourists and expats. As usual, race has much less to do with that than superficial appearances and stereotypes may lead you to believe.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2276537]Many of the East Asian sex tourists don't exactly dress and carry themselves like covert multi-millionaires. Often sandals, cheap t-shirt, cheap man purse around their shoulder. Even the Japanese expats with the standard issue white business shirt, black slacks, just look like regular salary men to me.[/QUOTE]Because that's what they are.

Rich East Asians don't slum it at Soi Cowboy. You won't see them walking anywhere either. When they do have to be in Thailand, it's car service from their air conditioned hotel to a karaoke, soapy with models inside, or private club. That is when they don't just have the women brought directly to their penthouse.

Again money is key here. Moreso than race. You won't see many rich white guys sweating through their Asahi Dry t-shirt on Sukhumvit Soi 7-1 in the middle of a Wednesday afternoon either.

[QUOTE=PointyStick;2276421]The AUD has declined from 33 to 22 in about 5 years. I think 10 years ago the pound was around 80 and is going down past 40. Try being a retiree and leaving off your UK pension when your expenses have doubled and this doesn't factor in inflation.[/QUOTE]I definitely understand your pain. But that can't be blamed on Thai prostitutes. That's your own home currency tanking. So you'd have to take it up with your political class back home, though surely the world economic situation has something to do with it.

If we're talking about prices in Thailand, we have to look at inflation in Thailand (it's less than one percent), or look at the Baht verses the global reserve currency (Baht hasn't really moved against the US dollar for 10 years).

When we look at this, we see that prices IN THAI BAHT should not have increased much if at all over the last decade. And largely, they haven't if you look at a general basket of goods. But the Thai prostitutes have upped their prices quite a lot over the same period. And the only reason seems to be: because they can.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2276814]I definitely understand your pain. But that can't be blamed on Thai prostitutes. That's your own home currency tanking. So you'd have to take it up with your political class back home, though surely the world economic situation has something to do with it.

If we're talking about prices in Thailand, we have to look at inflation in Thailand (it's less than one percent), or look at the Baht verses the global reserve currency (Baht hasn't really moved against the US dollar for 10 years).

When we look at this, we see that prices IN THAI BAHT should not have increased much if at all over the last decade. And largely, they haven't if you look at a general basket of goods. But the Thai prostitutes have upped their prices quite a lot over the same period. And the only reason seems to be: because they can.[/QUOTE]Officially less than 1%, but if one goes to stores or wet markets you will see that the cost of fresh foods has gone up significantly in the past 3 to 4 years. Alcohol has gone up in price, but that is mainly due increased taxation. Residential rents have been quite stable ad nauseam, but commercial rents are really nuts. Restaurant prices are IMHO driven more by rent costs than ingredient or labor costs. Same is true with many businesses here.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2276814]I definitely understand your pain. But that can't be blamed on Thai prostitutes. That's your own home currency tanking. So you'd have to take it up with your political class back home, though surely the world economic situation has something to do with it.

If we're talking about prices in Thailand, we have to look at inflation in Thailand (it's less than one percent), or look at the Baht verses the global reserve currency (Baht hasn't really moved against the US dollar for 10 years).

When we look at this, we see that prices IN THAI BAHT should not have increased much if at all over the last decade. And largely, they haven't if you look at a general basket of goods. But the Thai prostitutes have upped their prices quite a lot over the same period. And the only reason seems to be: because they can.[/QUOTE]Australia is a stable democracy. Thailand is a military dictatorship going through its 20th coup with a Muslim insurgency and vast political problems with corruption, flooding and now killer air pollution. Generally these things are sufficient to sink a currency. A lower currency actually favours exporting countries like Thailand hence why Japan, China and the US engage in currency wars so they can sell more. The baht is being manipulated to favour certain interests in Thailand not that there is anything wrong with that.

It honestly doesn't bother me if the AUD is low because them economy has been humming here for 25 years without a recession. I'd rather have a job earning 150 k than a cheap sex holiday. If Thai hookers don't want to lower their prices either then as this high season has shown punters will forgo the gogos. Shit even smooci offers a better deal. Early call in to your hotel and then do drinking at reasonable prices instead of 1000 baht bar fines, over priced lady drinks and ST hotels. I saw a lot of quiet bars in December / January in BKK. Just because Thai hookers can raise their prices doesn't necessarily mean punters will pay.

[QUOTE=PointyStick;2276525]It would be interesting to hear from Chinese mongers about how much their expenses are. I'm sure it cost less to fly from China to LOS than from the US. I can get from Sydney to Bangkok for under 8000 baht on a budget airline.[/QUOTE]I can fly from China to BKK for just under RMB 1,000 which is around A $ 200 or US $ 145, give or take. There isn't much of a scene where I am, several spas that offer full service but if they get raided you're in big trouble.

Rent here is about the same as BKK, beer is A $ 5 (US $ 3. 5) for a pint in a decent place and food is probably a bit more expensive for nice food like a steak. Street food is about the same as in Thailand.

As has been pointed out by others, the poor in China are pretty poor and make up the majority and wages are low if you're unskilled. But the rich here are very rich and whilst they are a small percentage, it a big country.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2276690]I rarely, if ever, take a girl from a GoGo or club. However, tonight I found myself at Billboard in NEP enjoying a spectacular show of different gorgeous women dancing only feet from me.

-snip-

When I asked her for the short time rate, she said it was 2000 to which I quickly agreed. She also said it was for two hours though I forgot to ask her how many pops were involved. For what it's worth, she said that she had working in Bangkok for two years. From Issan, of course.

Then the mamasan came over and I was ready to pay her the 700 BF when she said the girls short term rate was 3000. When I said 2000, she shook her head and walked off. I asked my new friend about the rate and once again she said 2000. I repeated this 2000 amount again to the mamasan when she came over but with the same shake of her head she repeated 3000. I thought my girl may have told me that I need to say I was going to pay 3000 (to the mamasan) but it was so loud in there I am not sure that I heard this correctly.

With that conversation undone my friend disappeared and reappeared on stage a few minutes later. I beckoned her over from the stage to clarify what was up and this time she said it was 3000 plus 700. By now, I was pretty irritated and declined and left as it was 1 am anyway.

So why does the mamasan care what the girl and I agreed too? I assume that my short time payment would be to the girl, not to the bar.

The girl mentioned going to her hotel but I told her my apartment was close by and preferred that option. I am thinking she does not stay in hotel but wanted to use a short term hotel in the complex, which I had no interest in utilizing but she did not objec to using my apartment either. Other than that, I found this whole payment scenario perplexing. Can someone shed light on this practice? For whats its worth, there were a lot girls in there at 1am and not too many punters so figure a lot of girls were going home without a customer though they may have had one earlier.[/QUOTE]Sounds to me like the mamasan wanted a 1,000 baht bonus/commission put into her pocket by the girl just for being the mamasan. Or maybe the girl owed her money or a favor. There is almost no other reason a lazy mamasan would interfere and get in between a girl and her customer re a negotiation unless it was to rake off a piece of the action.

I stopped in Twister BKK the other night and a girl I had been with a half dozen times already saw me, followed me up to the booth and plopped herself right next to me as if to say "Here I am, buy me a Ladydrink and pay my barfine." Actually, I was not opposed to the idea since I liked fucking her quite a bit and I hadn't done that with her for several months. Ok. So I bought her a Ladydrink and found myself inspired to discuss my paying her barfine. I asked how much is the barfine tonight? "1,000 baht," and without hesitation, "and 3,000 to me for ST." Huh? I'd had this girl for 700 baht barfine and no more than 2,500 baht to her for a very fine ST up until a few months ago when she was that many months younger and at least 2 kilos lighter.

I said, "3,000 for ST? Pang pang (expensive). I can give you 2,000 baht", leaving it to her to come back with 2,500 if she really gave a shit about ever seeing a previous repeat customer she always flags over when I pass by again. There are younger girls with hotter bodies in Twister BKK who have repeatedly gone with me in the past few months for 2,000 baht. Apparently, she didn't give a shit and would not budge from 3,000 baht for ST.

Then she went on to say, "Because I have been traveling a while, not working and I have not had many customers." lololol. Swear to god that was her stated reason for not budging from 3,000 baht for ST with a long time repeat customer she used to go with for 2,500. I bid farewell, paid my checkbin, walked away and she let me walk away without resistance.

So in the case of the Billboard girl and lazy mamasan, their reasoning might very well be they have an ironclad agreement between the two of them that she shall not go with a customer for less than 2,000 baht to her and an additional 1,000 baht for the lazy mamasan. And that it is just fine and dandy to watch customers reject that offer and walk away because, after all, times are hard, they haven't been getting many customers lately and they really need the money. LOL.

Point taken! Thanks.

I may return tonight just for grins. It was quite the display of female pultrichude and will disregard the outcome with this one. Wouldn't mind seeing this cutie again and restarting the engine. The girl and mamasan are prob in cahoots working some good cop / bad cop scam with mamasan being the latter. 'See, I will go with you for $2 k but my boss says no. ' Like I just fell off the turnip truck.

BTW: last night a rum and coke at Hillary 1 was 150 with a live band, Hillary 2 charged me 180, also a live band, and, at Billboard it was 170. Billboard is the best deal obviously due to the talent googling there. The band was not not that great at Hillary 1 except for a very pretty gal singer.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2276915]Sounds to me like the mamasan wanted a 1,000 baht bonus/commission put into her pocket by the girl just for being the mamasan. Or maybe the girl owed her money or a favor. There is almost no other reason a lazy mamasan would interfere and get in between a girl and her customer re a negotiation unless it was to rake off a piece of the action.

I stopped in Twister BKK the other night and a girl I had been with a half dozen times already saw me, followed me up to the booth and plopped herself right next to me as if to say "Here I am, buy me a Ladydrink and pay my barfine." Actually, I was not opposed to the idea since I liked fucking her quite a bit and I hadn't done that with her for several months. Ok. So I bought her a Ladydrink and found myself inspired to discuss my paying her barfine. I asked how much is the barfine tonight? "1,000 baht," and without hesitation, "and 3,000 to me for ST." Huh? I'd had this girl for 700 baht barfine and no more than 2,500 baht to her for a very fine ST up until a few months ago when she was that many months younger and at least 2 kilos lighter.

I said, "3,000 for ST? Pang pang (expensive). I can give you 2,000 baht", leaving it to her to come back with 2,500 if she really gave a shit about ever seeing a previous repeat customer she always flags over when I pass by again. There are girls with hotter bodies in Twister BKK who have repeatedly gone with me in the past few months for 2,000 baht. Apparently, she didn't give a shit and would not budge from 3,000 baht for ST.

Then she went on to say, "Because I have been traveling a while, not working and I have not had many customers." lololol. Swear to god that was her stated reason for not budging from 3,000 baht for ST with a long time repeat customer she used to go with for 2,500. I bid farewell, paid my checkbin, walked away and she let me walk away without resistance.

So in the case of the Billboard girl and lazy mamasan, their reasoning might very well be they have an ironclad agreement between the two of them that she shall not go with a customer for less than 2,000 baht to her and an additional 1,000 baht for the lazy mamasan. And that it is just fine and dandy to watch customers reject that offer and walk away because, after all, times are hard, they haven't been getting many customers lately and they really need the money. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2276927]Point taken! Thanks.

I may return tonight just for grins. It was quite the display of female pultrichude and will disregard the outcome with this one. Wouldn't mind seeing this cutie again and restarting the engine. The girl and mamasan are prob in cahoots working some good cop / bad cop scam with mamasan being the latter. 'See, I will go with you for $2 k but my boss says no. ' Like I just fell off the turnip truck.
[/QUOTE]Yes, the conditions that prompted the first event might vanish or be forgotten and the answer might be totally different the next time. It isn't as though any of these things are well thought out by Thai hookers and their lazy mamasans. For example, once the mamasan found out that YOUR girl was willing to go for 2,000 baht, YOUR girl might have been spooked by the possibility/probability that the lazy mamasan will reveal that information in passing to other girls in the venue who think there is an ironclad agreement between ALL of them not to start handing it out for less than 3,000 baht. She could have already been slammed and snubbed by other girls for accepting 2,000 baht on a recent previous occasion. Same situation could have been the case with my girl the other night. Who knows.

I should also mention that I was with a male friend the night my previous 2,500 baht Twister BKK girl stood firm at 3,000 baht. They did not know each other, he had never been in that bar. He was sitting on the other side of me and could not have heard my exchange with her due to the loud music. But she kept glancing over past me to see if he was hearing any of it. So it is always possible she was adamantly opposed to agreeing to less than 3,000 baht for anyone, not even a previous repeat customer, in a situation where ANOTHER punter would hear and either expect the same deal with her at some point in the future or, as far as she knows, tell the next girl who sits on his lap that he understood 2,000 baht was the norm based on THAT girl right there. No way to know for sure or try to figure out what goes on in the mind of these girls.

And when you add that my negotiation will almost always include a True GFE of BBFS+CIP, then the go-go dancer who agrees to that AND for something less than the same 3,000 baht other girls start out asking for has got to be even more certain no other nearby punter will overhear it or that other girls will find out about it. Shopping for, negotiating for and getting an agreement for BBFS+CIP with better than average farang red light district go-go dancers is a wholly and completely different game with different rules on a different playing field than the standard P4P Thai fare most punters apparently are willing or capable of accepting. Where I probably made a mistake was in going on a hunt for that kind of service with a buddy or what some call a "wingman" present. I get much better results when I hunt alone. Only the price was an issue in the discussion between me and my Twister BKK girl because she brought it up. Not BBFS+CIP. But as far as she knew, my buddy was aware of the level of service she regularly gave me. So then her sticking to a certain asking price became all important to her.

Going to hit Spasso for the first time. Interested to know the avg market rate for ST and what I can expect (ya I know its all in the negotiations however I do not want to ask for too little or too much).

TIA.

P. S: I did do a forum search using the "Spasso" keyword and could not find anything relevant.

I had tried them last year. Felt that pricing was way over what I would have paid - 8-10 K kinds. Did not try any girl there. Girls are bit over 30 year age mark IMO.

[QUOTE=Chuday;2276978]Going to hit Spasso for the first time. Interested to know the avg market rate for ST and what I can expect (ya I know its all in the negotiations however I do not want to ask for too little or too much).

TIA.

P. S: I did do a forum search using the "Spasso" keyword and could not find anything relevant.[/QUOTE]

I went to Thermae tonight, with my wingman. We arrived around 9 pm and the place was already buzzing. It got even more so within the next hour. However, there was not a whole lot of eye candy. It was full of mostly GND girls. It is possible that the eye candy girls were already gone. I usually find about 10% in the eye candy category.

There was plenty of mongers from the preferred ethnicity, I. E. Japanes, Korean, and Chinese. My wingman looks Japanese, so he felt at home in that crowd. In fact, I lost him within half an hour. My suspicion is that he picked up a girl and took her to his hotel.

In touring the place, I got quite a few hits from the GND girls, but I was not in the mood to shell out 2,500 bahts for that type of girl, not knowing what kind of service I was getting. The few GND+ girls I saw showed no interest towards me. After an hour, I decided I had enough of that place. I sent a text to my wingman and took off towards Nana.

When I arrived at Nana, I surveyed the FL scene outside the nana hotel and noticed a few prospects. Eventually, I settled on one and took her to my hotel, ST for 1 K bahts. I was fairly pleased with the session, as she appeared to have been away from sex for a while. She was very much into it, which I liked. As a bonus, she was also tight, and that made the session more enjoyable.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2277084]I went to Thermae tonight...We arrived around 9 pm and the place was already buzzing. It got even more so within the next hour. However, there was not a whole lot of eye candy. It was full of mostly GND girls. It is possible that the eye candy girls were already gone. I usually find about 10% in the eye candy category.

There was plenty of mongers from the preferred ethnicity, I. E. Japanes, Korean, and Chinese. My wingman looks Japanese, so he felt at home in that crowd. In fact, I lost him within half an hour. My suspicion is that he picked up a girl and took her to his hotel.

In touring the place, I got quite a few hits from the GND girls, but I was not in the mood to shell out 2,500 bahts for that type of girl, not knowing what kind of service I was getting. The few GND+ girls I saw showed no interest towards me. After an hour, I decided I had enough of that place. I sent a text to my wingman and took off towards Nana.[/QUOTE]Super report, Lefeu, thanks. I wonder what you mean by GND type. Does that say something about how they are dressed, or their age, or their overall beauty? I mean, Playboy girls were supposed to be GND, but goddam were they fuckable. I assume by GND you mean unfuckable. Anyway, if you could expound on what you found off putting about these girls, I'd be interested.

[QUOTE=Chuday;2276978]Going to hit Spasso for the first time. Interested to know the avg market rate for ST
P. S: I did do a forum search using the "Spasso" keyword and could not find anything relevant.[/QUOTE]Do an advanced search. For KeyWord Type: Spasso Hyatt.

Rates for ST are between 4,000 and 6,000 baht. I have never paid more than 5,000 not including a tip for above average service. I have always tipped my Spasso FL's. That should tell you what kind of service I have had in the past. It is very good. Girls are never in a hurry to split, but never pay in advance. No need to buy a girl a drink unless you want to. They have already bought a drink to gain admission and are nursing it for the night. Live Band on Thurs, Fri and Sat nights. The average age is around 30 something. That is the only negative as far as I am concerned although I enjoy a 30 something girl once in a while as long as she is still put together nicely. It is like they try harder because they know. 555.

I was there a few Saturday nights ago. The quality of the girls was outstanding.

My friend and I asked a few real beauties if they were interested. He got one quote at 10 K and another at 6 K. I was offered 3 hours for 6 K. The woman who wanted 10 K was only offering everything covered service.

We ended up leaving and going to Mixx.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2277194]Do an advanced search. For KeyWord Type: Spasso Hyatt.

Rates for ST are between 4,000 and 6,000 baht. I have never paid more than 5,000 not including a tip for above average service. I have always tipped my Spasso FL's. That should tell you what kind of service I have had in the past. It is very good. Girls are never in a hurry to split, but never pay in advance. No need to buy a girl a drink unless you want to. They have already bought a drink to gain admission and are nursing it for the night. Live Band on Thurs, Fri and Sat nights. The average age is around 30 something. That is the only negative as far as I am concerned although I enjoy a 30 something girl once in a while as long as she is still put together nicely. It is like they try harder because they know. 555.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2277194]Do an advanced search. For KeyWord Type: Spasso Hyatt.

Rates for ST are between 4,000 and 6,000 baht. I have never paid more than 5,000 not including a tip for above average service. I have always tipped my Spasso FL's. That should tell you what kind of service I have had in the past. It is very good. Girls are never in a hurry to split, but never pay in advance. No need to buy a girl a drink unless you want to. They have already bought a drink to gain admission and are nursing it for the night. Live Band on Thurs, Fri and Sat nights. The average age is around 30 something. That is the only negative as far as I am concerned although I enjoy a 30 something girl once in a while as long as she is still put together nicely. It is like they try harder because they know. 555.[/QUOTE]$200 for a short time with an old lady? Sounds reasonable.

[QUOTE=Forest;2277199]I was there a few Saturday nights ago... We ended up leaving and going to Mixx.[/QUOTE]Mm-hmm. Go on. . .

Mixx: any success? Thoughts? Prices?

With thanks,

Your pal, Kumbu.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2277189]Super report, Lefeu, thanks. I wonder what you mean by GND type. Does that say something about how they are dressed, or their age, or their overall beauty? I mean, Playboy girls were supposed to be GND, but goddam were they fuckable. I assume by GND you mean unfuckable. Anyway, if you could expound on what you found off putting about these girls, I'd be interested.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I should have spelled it out. GND stands for Girl Next Door, I. E. Average looking girl, but definitely fuckable.

[QUOTE=Forest;2277199]I was there a few Saturday nights ago. The quality of the girls was outstanding.

My friend and I asked a few real beauties if they were interested. He got one quote at 10 K and another at 6 K. I was offered 3 hours for 6 K. The woman who wanted 10 K was only offering everything covered service.

We ended up leaving and going to Mixx.[/QUOTE]10 K is way above the normal range for this particular venue which is usually a very bad sign. Everything covered clinches it. You were wise to walk away. But don't leave us in suspense. How was Mixx?

[QUOTE=RickRock;2277253]$200 for a short time with an old lady? Sounds reasonable.[/QUOTE]Ha Ha. You're right and yet this bar is jumpin' every Fri & Sat night. I visit once or twice a year for a little variety, but for a lot of businessmen types it is a very popular bar. The talent performs well in bed and there are a few 30 something lookers there. But I prefer the FL's at CJ's in the Mulla Jakarta and Brix in the Hyatt Singapore as far as 5 * FL Hotel pick up girls go. You might remember Hari's Bar in the Holiday Inn Hong Kong. Hari's used to have amazing talent; hot Korean, Mongolian, and Thai girls, but it went to hell a few years ago. I did not even bother to stop by on my recent layover in HKG. I took a Taiwanese 141 hotel reservaton girl instead. The Wan Chai bars totally sucked filled as they were with way past their due date fat fugly girls. I almost felt sorry for these girls.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2277274]Sorry, I should have spelled it out. GND stands for Girl Next Door, I. E. Average looking girl, but definitely fuckable.[/QUOTE]I looked it up. I like "cute," wholesome looking, yet naughty girl next door types. Used to see a lot of them in AC. Fresh off the bus. Baby back home with their mother.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2277292]Ha Ha. You're right and yet this bar is jumpin' every Fri & Sat night. I visit once or twice a year for a little variety, but for a lot of businessmen types it is a very popular bar. The talent performs well in bed and there are a few 30 something lookers there. But I prefer the FL's at CJ's in the Mulla Jakarta and Brix in the Hyatt Singapore as far as 5 * FL Hotel pick up girls go. You might remember Hari's Bar in the Holiday Inn Hong Kong. Hari's used to have amazing talent; hot Korean, Mongolian, and Thai girls, but it went to hell a few years ago. I did not even bother to stop by on my recent layover in HKG. I took a Taiwanese 141 hotel reservaton girl instead. The Wan Chai bars totally sucked filled as they were with way past their due date fat fugly girls. I almost felt sorry for these girls.[/QUOTE]I find all of those places are mostly filled with old ladies too aged to hook in their own countries. And the guys always tend to be traveling white business men. Honestly, I have felt both depressed and amazed at what goes on in these "5 star hotel bars" in Asia.

It's really bewildering.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2277194]Do an advanced search. For KeyWord Type: Spasso Hyatt.

Rates for ST are between 4,000 and 6,000 baht. I have never paid more than 5,000 not including a tip for above average service. I have always tipped my Spasso FL's. That should tell you what kind of service I have had in the past. It is very good. Girls are never in a hurry to split, but never pay in advance. No need to buy a girl a drink unless you want to. They have already bought a drink to gain admission and are nursing it for the night. Live Band on Thurs, Fri and Sat nights. The average age is around 30 something. That is the only negative as far as I am concerned although I enjoy a 30 something girl once in a while as long as she is still put together nicely. It is like they try harder because they know. 555.[/QUOTE]How is the Russian / CIS talent pool there? Similar pricing or more expensive?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2277299]I looked it up. I like "cute," wholesome looking, yet naughty girl next door types. Used to see a lot of them in AC. Fresh off the bus. Baby back home with their mother.[/QUOTE]I like the girl next door; if I live next door to a brothel.

In regards to my report on the girl at Billboards and the mamasan quoting me two different prices for short time (2000 quote by the girl and 3000 quote by the mamasan), I was told by a friend that the entire payment including the 700 barfine is due upfront when taking a girl out of Billboards. And that payment for short time is 3000. Still not certain why the girl quoted me 2000 for short time, though.

I am not sure if this is true (paying everything upfront) but if it is then it's a non-starter for me. I saw several guys in business shirt attire in there so maybe they can pay this amount as part of their per diem but I am not in that category.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2277496]In regards to my report on the girl at Billboards and the mamasan quoting me two different prices for short time (2000 quote by the girl and 3000 quote by the mamasan), I was told by a friend that the entire payment including the 700 barfine is due upfront when taking a girl out of Billboards. And that payment for short time is 3000. Still not certain why the girl quoted me 2000 for short time, though.

I am not sure if this is true (paying everything upfront) but if it is then it's a non-starter for me. I saw several guys in business shirt attire in there so maybe they can pay this amount as part of their per diem but I am not in that category.[/QUOTE]The mamasan at Billboard is extremely pushy crook and a tries all kinds of scams if she believes you are a newbie. These include ordering one lady drink for the price of two (drink and mixer are served and charged separately), pushing you aggressively for tips and drinks for herself, quoting inflated prices and demanding upfront payment for the ladies. Just say firmly no. Once she sees that you know how things work, she will leave you alone and look for another "victim". It is really a pain but the place has a very decent selection on stare, so it is worth the hassle. Just make sure you never pay for the girl's service in the bar in advance!

[QUOTE=Marky1;2276005]what's the excuse for these young Koreans chasing Issan hookers their own age?[/QUOTE]Young Koreans chasing young Issan hookers? Are you really asking this?

[QUOTE=Marky1;2276537]I can't really follow what you're saying. Did you mean to say that more westerners have more money, but less westerners have a lot of money?

It doesn't make any sense.

A lot of these China man, Korean, Japanese sex tourists are in the prime of their working lives. If they can find the money for a $130 short time I don't think I'd classify them as rich.

Many of the East Asian sex tourists don't exactly dress and carry themselves like covert multi-millionaires. Often sandals, cheap t-shirt, cheap man purse around their shoulder. Even the Japanese expats with the standard issue white business shirt, black slacks, just look like regular salary men to me.[/QUOTE]Being from silicon valley, it's tough to judge anyone's income by how they dress. It's t-shirt, jeans, flannels, and maybe a button up dressed techies, but there are a lot of hundred thousandaires if you will; maybe millionaires in the bunch. I wouldn't wear my Panerai going down Walking Street.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2276235]I'm not so sure about that theory.

GDP per capita is as follows:

blah blah blah

The average Chinaman or Korean will generally have less money than the average Westerner.[/QUOTE]This means nothing. No one is pulling a sample from each of those countries directly. The sample size comes from a smaller sub sample of people from a country who are traveling sex tourists. Which leads to, let's go by reality and make salient points rather than drop a rather pointless GDP list. Go into many of the popular bars, and you'll see Japanese and Korean writing. The guys coming from these countries are prepared to spend more money. They represent a different group of people who have higher incomes than the average or not so average person from their home countries. The middle class of these and other countries like China and India is expanding which brings in many more different types of sex tourists. A lot of the older ex-pats have been priced out whether due to inflation or the price of their home country currency being weak against the baht. That old fat cracker white guy who used to be able to sit with a bar girl for a while is now the one counting his pennies. The subject is who's willing to spend more money per transaction at a bar in Thailand. The subject is NOT which country has better spending power. There is a different as complicated as it may be to you.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2277496]In regards to my report on the girl at Billboards and the mamasan quoting me two different prices for short time (2000 quote by the girl and 3000 quote by the mamasan), I was told by a friend that the entire payment including the 700 barfine is due upfront when taking a girl out of Billboards. And that payment for short time is 3000. Still not certain why the girl quoted me 2000 for short time, though.

I am not sure if this is true (paying everything upfront) but if it is then it's a non-starter for me. I saw several guys in business shirt attire in there so maybe they can pay this amount as part of their per diem but I am not in that category.[/QUOTE]No it's not. I've never paid everything up front at Billboards (or anywhere else).

Has anyone had any experience recently with Gulliver's? It used to be a pretty chill place for pool and food, where the FLs would hang out, with no pressure at all. I used to hang there about 10 years ago, and found one sexy little Cambodian who ended up being a little bit of a regular. If I was peckish, I'd swing by Gulliver's, have a fish and chips and beer, followed by a Cambodian sammich. Anyway, it used to be pretty cool, and I'm thinking of swinging by on my next trip. Any recent experience?

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2277712]Has anyone had any experience recently with Gulliver's? It used to be a pretty chill place for pool and food, where the FLs would hang out, with no pressure at all. I used to hang there about 10 years ago, and found one sexy little Cambodian who ended up being a little bit of a regular. If I was peckish, I'd swing by Gulliver's, have a fish and chips and beer, followed by a Cambodian sammich. Anyway, it used to be pretty cool, and I'm thinking of swinging by on my next trip. Any recent experience?[/QUOTE]When in Bangkok I use Guillivers for food and play pool.

Nowadays there are a number of girls around the bar sitting and watching the entrance (reed looking for business) but not anymore as 10 years ago.

If I am early (around 8 PM) you can find a empty pooltable in the back where you can play more rounds because it's not busy by that time.

Watch careful the ladies that use the bathroom and if you are lucky it easy to make contact and invite here over (for some rounds of pool. If chemistry is there more is possible too). Another trick is also that 3 girls play at one table and you can invite the cutest on your table. But after 10 PM its full of Arab people (and girls who looks for business).

[QUOTE=IMembr;2277673]Young Koreans chasing young Issan hookers? Are you really asking this?[/QUOTE]Old farang chase Issan girls because every woman is supposedly fat and overbearing back home.

What's the excuse for a young Korean man. Young Korean women are good looking (they make good hookers the world over). These young wealthy Koreans don't need to be in Angeles City bars at 10 am.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2277677]Being from silicon valley, it's tough to judge anyone's income by how they dress. It's t-shirt, jeans, flannels, and maybe a button up dressed techies, but there are a lot of hundred thousandaires if you will; maybe millionaires in the bunch. I wouldn't wear my Panerai going down Walking Street.[/QUOTE]Silicon Valley is a subset of American culture (which is unique and unusual compared to Asia especially). We're talking about Chinamen, Korean, Japanese. They're from societies where status, face, wealth are extremely important. They don't miss an opportunity to rub wealth in someone's face. Without other information, I'm going to guess that the Asian sex tourist in his $5 t-shirt from Phuket, flip flops, cheap man bag he picked up along Sukhumvit wrapped around his shoulder has far less money than the white guy with the $50 t-shirt, $200 jeans.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2277677]This means nothing. No one is pulling a sample from each of those countries directly. The sample size comes from a smaller sub sample of people from a country who are traveling sex tourists. Which leads to, let's go by reality and make salient points rather than drop a rather pointless GDP list. Go into many of the popular bars, and you'll see Japanese and Korean writing. The guys coming from these countries are prepared to spend more money. They represent a different group of people who have higher incomes than the average or not so average person from their home countries. The middle class of these and other countries like China and India is expanding which brings in many more different types of sex tourists. A lot of the older ex-pats have been priced out whether due to inflation or the price of their home country currency being weak against the baht. That old fat cracker white guy who used to be able to sit with a bar girl for a while is now the one counting his pennies. The subject is who's willing to spend more money per transaction at a bar in Thailand. The subject is NOT which country has better spending power. There is a different as complicated as it may be to you.[/QUOTE]This is the whole point. It's old white retirees on fixed incomes complaining about the increase in prices, bars being less fun. They're competing against Chinamen, Koreans in the prime of their working lives.

A young man in the prime of his working life should have far more disposable income than a retiree who doesn't know whether he needs to stretch his money for 5 years or 20 years.

White retirees trying to make their money stretch for 20 years is not reflective of middle-class disposable income in Western countries.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2277673]Young Koreans chasing young Issan hookers? Are you really asking this?[/QUOTE]LOL Agree, the girls in the Gogos that North Asians favour are the opposite of Issan.

Since so many Japanese tourists are visiting Thailand for mongering, yet the Japanese mongering industry is virtually closed off to foreigners, I was wondering if it might be possible to experience fzoku in Bangkok instead?

From what I've read here 7-Heaven seems similar to a 'pink salon' (BJ parlor). Doki Doki and Mitu Massage have been described as quite similar to the Japanese experience as per soaplands and nuru. There are plenty of soaplands in Thailand of course. Does anyone know how they compare to Japanese soaplands?

Which are the gogos that specifically cater for Japanese? I realise that the girls there are only up for a Japanese client who they can charge excessive baht for a quick bang, but I figure I could go there just for eye candy, then move on to more Western-friendly climes.

What about hostess clubs? Would they be cheaper here in Bangkok? Do you have to be part of a group?

How about cosplay? I can't find anything similar to the image clubs, but some massage places claim to offer dress-up and roleplay. Kiss Massage and Bangkok Passion, etc. Or should I try Thanon Thaniya for this kind of thing?

Where do the high end agency escorts hangout when not doing bookings for their agencies? Specifically the bangkokgold ladies. Agency work is very low these days and I know many of them try to get extra work at clubs. I have met a couple in the past at the Suhkumvit Hilton lounge. Now that I am single again after 4 years, that location seems to have dried up.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2277712]Has anyone had any experience recently with Gulliver's? It used to be a pretty chill place for pool and food, where the FLs would hang out, with no pressure at all. I used to hang there about 10 years ago, and found one sexy little Cambodian who ended up being a little bit of a regular. If I was peckish, I'd swing by Gulliver's, have a fish and chips and beer, followed by a Cambodian sammich. Anyway, it used to be pretty cool, and I'm thinking of swinging by on my next trip. Any recent experience?[/QUOTE]A few years ago it was great. Now it is part of the "Arab quarter". Which keeps moving towards the higher numbered Soi's. A totally different feel now compared to before.

RL.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;2277725]When in Bangkok I use Guillivers for food and play pool.

Nowadays there are a number of girls around the bar sitting and watching the entrance (reed looking for business) but not anymore as 10 years ago.

If I am early (around 8 PM) you can find a empty pooltable in the back where you can play more rounds because it's not busy by that time.

Watch careful the ladies that use the bathroom and if you are lucky it easy to make contact and invite here over (for some rounds of pool. If chemistry is there more is possible too). Another trick is also that 3 girls play at one table and you can invite the cutest on your table. But after 10 PM its full of Arab people (and girls who looks for business).[/QUOTE]Thanks, this is helpful. I play pool like a 4-yr old drives a big rig, with much the same result, so that tactic won't work for me. But bathroom-watching? I am fuckin' ace at that. I'll give it a shot.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2278086]A few years ago it was great. Now it is part of the "Arab quarter". Which keeps moving towards the higher numbered Soi's. A totally different feel now compared to before.

RL.[/QUOTE]Shame. Not that it is Arabesquing (not a word, I know) [I]per se[/I], but that it's lost its feel. And it sounds like with the influx of Arabs, it may have lost some of its welcome. But I think I'll give it a shot one night. I'll report on how it goes. I won't be there for many more weeks, so don't hold your breath, but my report will come.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2278086]A few years ago it was great. Now it is part of the "Arab quarter". Which keeps moving towards the higher numbered Soi's. A totally different feel now compared to before.

RL.[/QUOTE]Like any pub opened for 10 years it loses its novelty appeal after a while and Gullivers is no different. I still like it though and visit there weekly to meet some friends mostly because it is relatively cheap for drinks compared to say the German pub on 13 (moved from 11) and the food is above average.

As mentioned the clientele while mixed is more and more of middle Eastern origin although not yet to the same extent as 3 and 3/1 where for all intents and purposes you may as well be in an Arabian market souk.

There are some freelancers on site, some sit outside usually in pairs and some inside near the main entrance. No idea what the score is re price or services but appearance wise umm methinks there are better options on Lower Sukhumvit.

[QUOTE=PointyStick;2277868]LOL Agree, the girls in the Gogos that North Asians favour are the opposite of Issan.[/QUOTE]Simply not true. Almost all the gals in the GoGos are from Isaan. Most are having surgery to make them look less Isaan. I see young Asian guys with gals I would not touch if they were on fire. I have also seen some young Korean dudes in Tulip taking some of the older women there, and not just on one occasion. I found that rather shocking.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2277843]This is the whole point. It's old white retirees on fixed incomes complaining about the increase in prices, bars being less fun. They're competing against Chinamen, Koreans in the prime of their working lives.

A young man in the prime of his working life should have far more disposable income than a retiree who doesn't know whether he needs to stretch his money for 5 years or 20 years.

White retirees trying to make their money stretch for 20 years is not reflective of middle-class disposable income in Western countries.[/QUOTE]Well, you are kind of missing the point. When most of the "old guys" started coming here and decided to move here, a good percentage of the guys in the bars were expats on very generous packages. They had a lot of disposable income. Way more than the weekend warriors or two week millionaires that we see in the bars today. And guess what? They were not showering the gals with ridiculous money. In fact, some were the first to tell the newbie to pay the going rate and not to inflate the prices. I think this is the common amongst most Westerners no matter what their bankroll is. Asian culture is of course different. Bragging as to how much money you spent is a part of the game for many Asians. Just look at the success of luxury brands in Asia. Same holds true with their approach to P4 P gals. The retirees in Bangkok I know, can't speak for Pattaya, could pay whatever they wanted to for a gal; but they (we) don't. Because they don't see value in paying 150 USD plus for a wham bam ST. And neither do I.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2278212]Well, you are kind of missing the point. When most of the "old guys" started coming here and decided to move here, a good percentage of the guys in the bars were expats on very generous packages. They had a lot of disposable income. Way more than the weekend warriors or two week millionaires that we see in the bars today. And guess what? They were not showering the gals with ridiculous money. In fact, some were the first to tell the newbie to pay the going rate and not to inflate the prices. I think this is the common amongst most Westerners no matter what their bankroll is. Asian culture is of course different. Bragging as to how much money you spent is a part of the game for many Asians. Just look at the success of luxury brands in Asia. Same holds true with their approach to P4 P gals. The retirees in Bangkok I know, can't speak for Pattaya, could pay whatever they wanted to for a gal; but they (we) don't. Because they don't see value in paying 150 USD plus for a wham bam ST. And neither do I.[/QUOTE]I, like George Carlin, would rather fuck 10 2's at 1500 baht than 1 10 at 8000 baht, who will file her nails until you finish. I've had both and the prima donnas are not worth it.

RL.

Totally agree. Plus, the retiree who still has some lead in his pencil and is interested in more than just a one-time shag is more attractive to the single mom with a high libido in search of a "good heart" who just happens to also help her pay the bills.

I don't try to compete with the younger, high rollers. I outlast them.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2278212]Well, you are kind of missing the point. When most of the "old guys" started coming here and decided to move here, a good percentage of the guys in the bars were expats on very generous packages. They had a lot of disposable income. Way more than the weekend warriors or two week millionaires that we see in the bars today. And guess what? They were not showering the gals with ridiculous money. In fact, some were the first to tell the newbie to pay the going rate and not to inflate the prices. I think this is the common amongst most Westerners no matter what their bankroll is. Asian culture is of course different. Bragging as to how much money you spent is a part of the game for many Asians. Just look at the success of luxury brands in Asia. Same holds true with their approach to P4 P gals. The retirees in Bangkok I know, can't speak for Pattaya, could pay whatever they wanted to for a gal; but they (we) don't. Because they don't see value in paying 150 USD plus for a wham bam ST. And neither do I.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2278206]Simply not true. Almost all the gals in the GoGos are from Isaan. Most are having surgery to make them look less Isaan. I see young Asian guys with gals I would not touch if they were on fire. I have also seen some young Korean dudes in Tulip taking some of the older women there, and not just on one occasion. I found that rather shocking.[/QUOTE]I'm confused. If they're having surgery to make themselves look less Issan isn't this to make themselves more attractive to the East Asian market?

Here are some more impressions from Bangkok experiences:

Daytime activities:

Went to Snow White once. Tried "Audi". Had very minor baby belly, good attitude, with DFK, anal, prostate massage, 2 pops in one hour for 1900 total. Price at desk was usual 400/ HR for oil massage. Had to ask for full service price, which was 1500 extra. Unlikely to repeat due to overall age of girls and facilities.

Went to DokiDoki once. Nice clean new facility. Pretty girls. Would repeat.

Went to Analisa twice. Great experience. Tried the 4 hand oil massage with prostate massage on the "milking table" with two slim young pretty girls for 2800.2 pops in one hour.

Evening activities:

Went to Crazy House. Incredibly loud and unpleasant atmosphere. Great looking fully nude girls, but I feel like I risked permanent hearing loss from the ridiculously loud music. Couldn't talk with the girls either. Picked a girl, and tried to BF her, and mamasan demanded full payment of BF and girl's money (3700 total, I believe) up front. I said no. BF now, girl's money "after". No deal. Mamasan looked mad and walked away, so I finished my beer and left for Nana and Billboard.

Took three different girls at Billboard on different evenings. BF 700, girl 3000ST. All three girls with great attitudes, plenty of DFK, DATY, enthusiasm. Arranged middle ground between ST and LT with one girl: 2 pops over 3 hours for 4000, included prostate massage and BBBJ. Overall, had great experiences at Billboard. Usually tried Angelwitch, Rainbow 4, Butterflies first, but always ended up BFing a girl Billboard.

In summary, my best experiences were Analisa during the day and Billboard in the evening.

[QUOTE=PatrickTravels;2278563]Here are some more impressions from Bangkok experiences:

Daytime activities...

Evening activities:...

...In summary, my best experiences were Analisa during the day and Billboard in the evening.[/QUOTE]Super report PT, appreciate the intel. I think your reviews of both the good places (Analisa, Billboard) and the not-so-good places (along with the pricing info) are very useful. Thanks for contributing.

[QUOTE=PatrickTravels;2278563]Went to Crazy House. Incredibly loud and unpleasant atmosphere. Great looking fully nude girls, but I feel like I risked permanent hearing loss from the ridiculously loud music. Couldn't talk with the girls either. Picked a girl, and tried to BF her, and mamasan demanded full payment of BF and girl's money (3700 total, I believe) up front. I said no. BF now, girl's money "after". No deal. Mamasan looked mad and walked away, so I finished my beer and left for Nana and Billboard..[/QUOTE]Good job!

That place is becoming a real bad spot atmosphere wise. They treat customers like shit.

Good on you for leaving.

[QUOTE=PointyStick;2278327]I'm confused. If they're having surgery to make themselves look less Issan isn't this to make themselves more attractive to the East Asian market?[/QUOTE]No. Because Thais who never interact with foreigners at all do it frequently too.

They do it because of poor self esteem reinforced by a distorted culture.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2277833]Old farang chase Issan girls because every woman is supposedly fat and overbearing back home.

What's the excuse for a young Korean man. Young Korean women are good looking (they make good hookers the world over). These young wealthy Koreans don't need to be in Angeles City bars at 10 am.[/QUOTE]Plenty of young anything the world over. You're not making any point. Going to BKK, Pattaya, Angeles City, Germany, Costa Rica, the Dominican, and Brazil has a bunch of cheap good looking women. An Asian guy coming from Korea, China, or Japan to Thailand has a short plane ride. The white trash over at the German FKKs are cheap too but further. If one is from the US, making a trip to the Latin countries is an easy trip. It's far cheaper to monger in Thailand than in Korea while making a holiday of it which doesn't take a genius to figure out.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2277843]Silicon Valley is a subset of American culture (which is unique and unusual compared to Asia especially). We're talking about Chinamen, Korean, Japanese. They're from societies where status, face, wealth are extremely important. They don't miss an opportunity to rub wealth in someone's face. Without other information, I'm going to guess that the Asian sex tourist in his $5 t-shirt from Phuket, flip flops, cheap man bag he picked up along Sukhumvit wrapped around his shoulder has far less money than the white guy with the $50 t-shirt, $200 jeans.

This is the whole point. It's old white retirees on fixed incomes complaining about the increase in prices, bars being less fun. They're competing against Chinamen, Koreans in the prime of their working lives..[/QUOTE]For the 1st section, it's really easy to see, regardless of race / ethnicity, that a person who wears authentic name brand clothing will be targeted by a mamasan than one who does not. This has less to do with race than it does whether the individual has money or not. With that said, it's obvious that the gogo bars are catering more to the Asians than ever before because they spend. Whether you want to focus on their clothes or not is up to you. The money being spent proves otherwise.

Also, you are all over the place here with your reply. In the first section, you say you're not impressed by the Asians. In the second part, now it's a sob story about ex-pats who have to compete against the Asians. The middle class is expanding in Asia which brings more disposable income. Again, this is another EASY concept. Posting GDP per capita means zero here because those millions of farmers dragging down the GDP per capita aren't the ones who are showing up in Thailand but that expanding middle class from the cities are. If the Asians and later other ethnic groups from other countries come to visit the gogo bars and spend money, hopefully it keeps the gogo bars in business so that it remains still an alternative. The ex-pat who had previously had a life where not a lot of money was made and went to Thailand to stretch that savings was always destined to be priced out. Those who whine about the old days being cheaper and how it's more expensive today, well, probably should've made better financial decisions earlier in life. There are plenty of other ex-pats and other old farangs who saved well, earned a good living before and still monger like it was 10 years ago. But we hear about the old farang wishing for the "good old days" because that guy can't play as much as before.

Money is now more spread out and accessible. With that, a variety of people will come. That's just the reality.

I am curious whether or not it has ever been discussed if the fee negotiated between the punter and the girl for short or long time ends up partially back in the pocket of the bar owner? I sometimes wonder if these bars are charging the girl a flat fee of 500 bhat or some other amount from their proceeds. So if the girl is telling you her fee is say 3000 for short time, she is required to pay the bar owner a certain amount for the 'privelege' of leaving the bar. Of course, this is in addition to the bar fine we pay direct to the bar / mamasan.

This scenario might account for the increasingly high amounts being asked by the girls in the bars for their services because they have to cover some of this additional overhead so to speak — A kick back in other words. I guess one would think someone would have blown the whistle on this type of activity already but interested if any punters have heard anything about this.

I think of this in terms of when you go to a restaurant that adds ten percent service fee to a bill plus the tax. As most of us know, that ten percent rarely goes to the servers but straight into the owners pocket. If you want to tip a server for good service make sure it is in cash. Oops, I digress.

[QUOTE=VinceAU;2277916]How about cosplay? I can't find anything similar to the image clubs, but some massage places claim to offer dress-up and roleplay. Kiss Massage and Bangkok Passion, etc. Or should I try Thanon Thaniya for this kind of thing?[/QUOTE]Buy some cosplay outfits you like. Pick up a Thai girl and barfine them under the condition they will dress up in your cosplay outfit. That seems to be the most direct way to get what you're looking for. Try the Thermae girls and from Japanese oriented gogo bars I'm sure they have had requests like these before.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2278686]No. Because Thais who never interact with foreigners at all do it frequently too.

They do it because of poor self esteem reinforced by a distorted culture.[/QUOTE]What percentage of Thai who have never interacted with foreigners have plastic surgery?

Most people in the west have poor self esteem hence the popularity of over-priced brand label clothes and bags, expensive vehicles and prestigious careers which are shit but give employees ego-boosts in change for giving away their lives. When they can't get those things they turn to substance abuse or fanatically supporting a sports team to vicariously bask in their victories. Same same but different.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2278735]I am curious whether or not it has ever been discussed if the fee negotiated between the punter and the girl for short or long time ends up partially back in the pocket of the bar owner? I sometimes wonder if these bars are charging the girl a flat fee of 500 bhat or some other amount from their proceeds. So if the girl is telling you her fee is say 3000 for short time, she is required to pay the bar owner a certain amount for the 'privelege' of leaving the bar. Of course, this is in addition to the bar fine we pay direct to the bar / mamasan...[/QUOTE]A few years ago (so keep in mind that things may have changed in the last few years), I asked a girl I was seeing semi-regularly about the economics of gogo bars. Here's what she said:

1. Girls get a flat salary, depending on their seniority and popularity. She was on 19,000 baht per month.

2. Girls are required to hit a certain number of bar fines per month. The exact number depends on the girl, so newbies start slow, but work their way up. She was an experienced one, and so her target number was 25. If she came in under that number, she had to pay the owner some amount for each missing bar fine. I can't remember how much, but I think it was 300 baht per missing BF.

3. They got 6 days off per month, but could buy each day out by paying their own BF. But they could only do so much of that before they got skunk-eye from mamasan, especially if they had not hit their monthly targets already.

4. Girls had to hit a minimum number of LDs per month, depending on seniority. She was on 50 LDs per month. Again, for each LD they are short, they owe the owner a certain amount. But they made 50 baht for each LD they sell. This of course incentivizes them to stay in the gogo bar to sell more LDs, or to do ST so they can rush back and sell more LDs.

5. Girls got to keep the entirety of the ST / LT fee. They were under no obligation to do ST or LT. That was up to them. But of course, the economics of it incentivizes ST, since a girl can do 3-4 STs in one night and just crank through to hit the minimum BF number. And that's what this girl did: she would work for 2 weeks, get something like 30-35 BFs (all ST, except with me. Or so she said. . .), 200-300 LDs, and then take 1-2 weeks off to be with her kid. She gladly paid the BF for the 1-2 weeks she took off, since she could afford it quite handily.

So doing the math. . . 19000 + (30 x 2000 baht, the then-ST rate =) 60000 + (200 x 50 baht for LDs =) 10000 = 89000 per month. That's rock-star money for a girl from Isaan, or for most Thai people, to be honest. And that doesn't include tips, or the I-take-care-you money from schmucks from abroad. She had regular Skype sessions each afternoon with three such gents. I wish I could have warned them, but I did not want to mess with her livelihood.

She did tell me, though, that the reason she worked at that particular gogo bar (Baccara, by the way) was because they had this particular structure. She said in other bars, girls had to kick back half of the payment for ST / LT, which she found overly exploitative. But keep in mind this is 3rd hand information (I. E. , she never worked in such an establishment), and this is a couple of years old. Maybe someone has more recent info.

Very informative. Thanks for taking the trouble. Your last paragraph from your response confirms what I thought. This explains why the Mamasan at Billboard was insisting the price for Short Time was 3000 rather than the 2000 that the girl initially quoted to me.

I have also thought about slipping my Line ID or Thai number to a girl in these go-go's but not sure they would bother calling me for the extra 1,500 or so I would save and they might earn direct from me — BF 500 and the difference between short time 3000 and 2000 bhat fee. Let say, I told the girl that I would pay her 2500 for short time if she called me outside the bar. (Call or text me when she is available). At most go go's, it would cost me 700 to 1000 bhat for the bar fine plus the extra savings from a reduction in her fee through this private arrangement, which would go to the bar. In US currency that is $50, which adds up over time.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2278769]A few years ago (so keep in mind that things may have changed in the last few years), I asked a girl I was seeing semi-regularly about the economics of gogo bars. Here's what she said:

1. Girls get a flat salary, depending on their seniority and popularity. She was on 19,000 baht per month.

She did tell me, though, that the reason she worked at that particular gogo bar (Baccara, by the way) was because they had this particular structure. She said in other bars, girls had to kick back half of the payment for ST / LT, which she found overly exploitative. But keep in mind this is 3rd hand information (I. E. , she never worked in such an establishment), and this is a couple of years old. Maybe someone has more recent info.[/QUOTE]

This notion that there is a salary structure at go go's is a nonsense. There is no salary. There are commissions for LD's and bar fines. She can be told her "salary" is x amount but its only if she hits certain targets otherwise its reduced to what she would have gotten anyway by way of commissions.

[QUOTE=PointyStick;2278748]What percentage of Thai who have never interacted with foreigners have plastic surgery?

Most people in the west have poor self esteem hence the popularity of over-priced brand label clothes and bags, expensive vehicles and prestigious careers which are shit but give employees ego-boosts in change for giving away their lives. When they can't get those things they turn to substance abuse or fanatically supporting a sports team to vicariously bask in their victories. Same same but different.[/QUOTE]In the West you must wear over-priced brand label clothes in order to get the time of day from a non-pro.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2278896]This notion that there is a salary structure at go go's is a nonsense. There is no salary. There are commissions for LD's and bar fines. She can be told her "salary" is x amount but its only if she hits certain targets otherwise its reduced to what she would have gotten anyway by way of commissions.[/QUOTE]I have seen setups like this with commissioned salespeople before where it is called a 'draw' vs commissions. Evens out the slow earning periods. More like an 'advance' against future earnings per se.

SL.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2278896]This notion that there is a salary structure at go go's is a nonsense. There is no salary. There are commissions for LD's and bar fines. She can be told her "salary" is x amount but its only if she hits certain targets otherwise its reduced to what she would have gotten anyway by way of commissions.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2279000]I have seen setups like this with commissioned salespeople before where it is called a 'draw' vs commissions. Evens out the slow earning periods. More like an 'advance' against future earnings per se.[/QUOTE]I think this is correct: the girl referred to is as a salary, but you could think of it more as a bonus, or an incentive, or whatever. So when I said:

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2278769]2. Girls are required to hit a certain number of bar fines per month . . . If she came in under that number, she had to pay the owner some amount for each missing bar fine. [/QUOTE]It would have been more accurate to say that if she didn't meet her minimum BF or LD quota, her "salary" was docked by a certain amount. But the girl I spoke to always received her full 19000 baht "salary" because she hit the metrics each month. So whether you think of it as a salary or a bonus or anything else, there is this small pot of money that they can earn, one way or another.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2278926]In the West you must wear over-priced brand label clothes in order to get the time of day from a non-pro.[/QUOTE]I don't want the time of day from a non-pro female because I can look at my iPhone for that, I want them to leave me alone because these interactions cost me time / money / stress. Once you 'get' how society works, how it wants you to prioritize other people's interests over your own then you'll never go back. Which is why I like LOS because I'll never be a part of society here. I'm just some farang wandering about doing my thing.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2279020]I think this is correct: the girl referred to is as a salary, but you could think of it more as a bonus, or an incentive, or whatever. So when I said:

It would have been more accurate to say that if she didn't meet her minimum BF or LD quota, her "salary" was docked by a certain amount. But the girl I spoke to always received her full 19000 baht "salary" because she hit the metrics each month. So whether you think of it as a salary or a bonus or anything else, there is this small pot of money that they can earn, one way or another.[/QUOTE]Not wishing to be overly argumentative the operative word is "can earn" not does earn or will earn. What she actually ends with will be calculated as salary plus commission if she hits the numbers for drinks and bar fines as with your lady friend or salary less fines if she comes up short. It more correctly ends up being actual commission for drinks and bar fines. Owners use the carrot of offering a relatively large salary as an incentive to show.

Look how much you can make at my place hoping they will attract the most popular girls who they know will earn far more than the fictional salary.

This is reported in Chinese forum. Traditionally girls are on contract that is renewed every 30 days. The club has 30 days to recover the cost of hiring the girl by BF. The BF cost increases is partly due to competition in recent years from new clubs that pay more and using shorter term contracts, 15 days or 10 days, to attract better girls. In order for the the clubs to recover the cost, they increase BF. But a sudden jump to double BF does not bode well for the customer so the two tiers system appear.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2278769]4. Girls had to hit a minimum number of LDs per month, depending on seniority. She was on 50 LDs per month. Again, for each LD they are short, they owe the owner a certain amount. But they made 50 baht for each LD they sell. This of course incentivizes them to stay in the gogo bar to sell more LDs, or to do ST so they can rush back and sell more LDs.[/QUOTE]Just want to add that every club has its own rule. In some clubs, the girl only get paid for the portion that is over the quota. Some clubs will pay girl back half of the LD price.

Some clubs will also pay girl back a small amount for the BF received.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2277833]What's the excuse for a young Korean man. Young Korean women are good looking (they make good hookers the world over). [/QUOTE]I can think of a couple of reasons:

1) They probably have a family back home and struggle to get out for play time, given that they probably work long hours;.

2) They can't afford it back home. Hot Korean hookers are prety expensive, cheaper ones are pretty ordinary;.

3) They get a per diem when they travel, so for them it's free money to blow.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2279162]I can think of a couple of reasons:

1) They probably have a family back home and struggle to get out for play time, given that they probably work long hours;.

2) They can't afford it back home. Hot Korean hookers are prety expensive, cheaper ones are pretty ordinary;.

3) They get a per diem when they travel, so for them it's free money to blow.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure the ones I see in Angeles City or Bangkok are high up the corporate ladder with big expense accounts.

My point was that sure the women back in the west might be land whales. People like to make the point that westerners go to Asia for prostitutes because they can't get slim women at home.

But young Korean men can get young slim Korean women at home for free.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2279162]I can think of a couple of reasons:

1) They probably have a family back home and struggle to get out for play time, given that they probably work long hours;.

2) They can't afford it back home. Hot Korean hookers are prety expensive, cheaper ones are pretty ordinary;.

3) They get a per diem when they travel, so for them it's free money to blow.[/QUOTE]And 4) It's always exciting to try something new.

[QUOTE=PointyStick;2278748]Most people in the west have poor self esteem hence the popularity of over-priced brand label clothes and bags, expensive vehicles and prestigious careers which are shit but give employees ego-boosts in change for giving away their lives. When they can't get those things they turn to substance abuse or fanatically supporting a sports team to vicariously bask in their victories. Same same but different.[/QUOTE]+1 on this.

3 days ago I went to Butterflies on the top floor, right hand side in Nana Plaza.

The place was fairly packed and I was shown a single chair to the left of the entrance. A few good looking girls dancing, but on the topless stage to the left there was no one that really caught my interest. I bought a beer and watched as a new set of girls entered the stage. Still nothing that really wanted me to pay BF. A few minutes later one of the staff (a younger mamasan helper) approached me with a girl next to her. She asked if I wanted this girl to sit with me. I took a good look and said sure, her name is Wan and said she is 27 years old. My guess is more like 32. Her stage number is 206. I bought her a drink and she jumped on my lap. Drank and talked for a while and she got me horny so I paid her BF (800) and we agreed on 2500 for ST. It was just around midnight when we left to walk to my hotel a few soi's away. She said she was hungry so we stopped for food at a small food cart. Had food and another beer. Got to the room and when she undressed she reveald a good looking body with no traces of baby damage or silicone. Showered together, dried of and got on the bed. What followed was one of the best blowjobs I ever had. Deep and with altering speed. She fucked her own throat so to speak, and seemed to really enjoy it as she got soaking wet just by giving me a blowjob. I just couldn't hold it so I blew the first load right in her mouth and she responded with swallowing my dick all the way and my load as well. We cuddled for a while before she made me ready for round 2. A shorter blowjob and she reached for a condom and put it on. She really wanted a dick inside her and did me cowgirl for about 10 minutes until she had a shivering orgasm. I knew I could not cum again that night so we just fell asleep. She didn't want to leave and asked to stay the night. I said sure. The next morning I was super hungry and said we need to go down and have breakfast. She came with me and when we got back upstairs she literally tore my pants of and got down on her knees to give another amazing blowjob. I stopped her before she made me cum and fucked her standing up. She had another orgasm and as I felt I was close I told her I am going to cum. She pulled out, took of the condom and basically swallowed my whole dick once again. A great experience with this girl and I will definitely repeat again in a few weeks when I get back to Bangkok.

Safe mongering.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2279110]Just want to add that every club has its own rule. In some clubs, the girl only get paid for the portion that is over the quota. Some clubs will pay girl back half of the LD price.

Some clubs will also pay girl back a small amount for the BF received.[/QUOTE]Whatever the formula used where ever the bar it comes down to what % of the bar fine / lady drinks take goes to the girls. I don't know but my guess is that most places would budget it at 25% to 30%. Am I close?

[QUOTE=JAKarl;2279292]3 days ago I went to Butterflies on the top floor, right hand side in Nana Plaza.

The place was fairly packed and I was shown a single chair to the left of the entrance. A few good looking girls dancing, but on the topless stage to the left there was no one that really caught my interest. I bought a beer and watched as a new set of girls entered the stage. Still nothing that really wanted me to pay BF. A few minutes later one of the staff (a younger mamasan helper) approached me with a girl next to her. She asked if I wanted this girl to sit with me. I took a good look and said sure, her name is Wan and said she is 27 years old. My guess is more like 32. Her stage number is 206. I bought her a drink and she jumped on my lap. Drank and talked for a while and she got me horny so I paid her BF (800) and we agreed on 2500 for ST. It was just around midnight when we left to walk to my hotel a few soi's away. She said she was hungry so we stopped for food at a small food cart. Had food and another beer. Got to the room and when she undressed she reveald a good looking body with no traces of baby damage or silicone. Showered together, dried of and got on the bed. What followed was one of the best blowjobs I ever had. Deep and with altering speed. She fucked her own throat so to speak, and seemed to really enjoy it as she got soaking wet just by giving me a blowjob. I just couldn't hold it so I blew the first load right in her mouth and she responded with swallowing my dick all the way and my load as well. We cuddled for a while before she made me ready for round 2. A shorter blowjob and she reached for a condom and put it on. She really wanted a dick inside her and did me cowgirl for about 10 minutes until she had a shivering orgasm. I knew I could not cum again that night so we just fell asleep. She didn't want to leave and asked to stay the night. I said sure. The next morning I was super hungry and said we need to go down and have breakfast. She came with me and when we got back upstairs she literally tore my pants of and got down on her knees to give another amazing blowjob. I stopped her before she made me cum and fucked her standing up. She had another orgasm and as I felt I was close I told her I am going to cum. She pulled out, took of the condom and basically swallowed my whole dick once again. A great experience with this girl and I will definitely repeat again in a few weeks when I get back to Bangkok.

Safe mongering.[/QUOTE]What's her number?

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2279107]This is reported in Chinese forum. Traditionally girls are on contract that is renewed every 30 days. The club has 30 days to recover the cost of hiring the girl by BF. The BF cost increases is partly due to competition in recent years from new clubs that pay more and using shorter term contracts, 15 days or 10 days, to attract better girls. In order for the the clubs to recover the cost, they increase BF. But a sudden jump to double BF does not bode well for the customer so the two tiers system appear.[/QUOTE]Yep, some places do 7, 10, or 14 day contracts. There are also women in go go bars who don't work for salary and can come and go as they please. Just depends.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2279313]What's her number?[/QUOTE]It's already in the report. But in case you missed it, here it is again.

206.

[QUOTE=JAKarl;2279343]It's already in the report. But in case you missed it, here it is again.

206.[/QUOTE]He went straight to the bits with f. .king, BBBJ, CIM, deep throat, swallowing, etc. got overly excited and missed the contact info.

You forgot about the part 'YMMV'. LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2279495]He went straight to the bits with f. .king, BBBJ, CIM, deep throat, swallowing, etc. got overly excited and missed the contact info.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2279495]He went straight to the bits with f. .king, BBBJ, CIM, deep throat, swallowing, etc. got overly excited and missed the contact info.[/QUOTE]Surely popular Nana Plaza Go-Go Bar dancers who convert ST into LT at no additional cost, take the initiative at every step, tear off condoms to dive into deep throat and swallow cum at the end of a terrific blowjob multiple times, night time and morning, are not so plentiful that someone would forget to ask for her Line or contact info.

Got to say, his report with a girl named "Wan" at Butterflies is certainly more positive than the one I would have posted. I met a girl named Wan in Butterflies a little over a week ago but I don't believe she is the same one. I have no idea what her badge number was, but the description is very different. My "Wan" was clearly younger, just over 20 if that, had a fantastic, near perfect body. Body-wise, a real standout in that club. She only marginally returned my smile from the tub area. But she did come over after her dance set to squeeze in next to me in the chair and I bought her a Lady Drink.

There was no chemistry whatsoever. No attempt for it on her part. She wouldn't even sit all the way back in the chair next to me, barely touched me and did not respond in the least when I touched her leg.

A few minutes after she got her Lady Drink "shot" (a bad sign along with all the others), another girl came nearby to say something to her. That is when my "Wan" stood up to hear the girl, remained standing and chose to shuffle a bit on her feet away from me instead of sitting back down. You know, preferring to dance between her dance sets rather than sit next to me. I paid my bill and left.

Again, I can only assume this was not the same "Wan" based on her physical description. If she was, then YMMV, indeed. LOL.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2279110]Just want to add that every club has its own rule. In some clubs, the girl only get paid for the portion that is over the quota. Some clubs will pay girl back half of the LD price.

Some clubs will also pay girl back a small amount for the BF received.[/QUOTE]Are you referring to gogo bars? If so, does the Chinese forum name the bar's names? If there was actually a gogo bar that paid the girls 100 baht of a 200 baht lady drink that bar would be swarming with top girls. I know of bars that will pay a girl 500 baht per day if they meet a quota of 5 drinks per night, then 50 baht per drink after that but pretty sure no bar pays out 4000 baht if a girl can get 40 drinks in a night. Also not sure a bar will actually pay cash back to a girl who is barfined but I do know bars that apply the barfine amount towards the drink quota.

I personally don't care how much girls make and girls don't discuss that crap with me since they don't view me as a dumb tourist who they are looking to squeeze every cent from.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2279199]I'm not sure the ones I see in Angeles City or Bangkok are high up the corporate ladder with big expense accounts. [/QUOTE]It's not expenses accounts, it's just there per diem for being away from home. This may be US $100 per day which is likely to be close to their salary. I work for achinese company and when our junoir staff go overseas their per diem each mont is more than their salary.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2279199] But young Korean men can get young slim Korean women at home for free.[/QUOTE]Not really. Korea is a very conservative country, even though P4 P is pretty widespread. Thailand is similar, P4 P is pretty open but a lot of Thai girls are very conservative with regards to sex.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2279646]Are you referring to gogo bars? If so, does the Chinese forum name the bar's names? If there was actually a gogo bar that paid the girls 100 baht of a 200 baht lady drink that bar would be swarming with top girls. I know of bars that will pay a girl 500 baht per day if they meet a quota of 5 drinks per night, then 50 baht per drink after that but pretty sure no bar pays out 4000 baht if a girl can get 40 drinks in a night. Also not sure a bar will actually pay cash back to a girl who is barfined but I do know bars that apply the barfine amount towards the drink quota.

I personally don't care how much girls make and girls don't discuss that crap with me since they don't view me as a dumb tourist who they are looking to squeeze every cent from.[/QUOTE]BB,

No names associated with that case. I probably should put this in context. I try only report what I think are credible information. The information are from long time mongers that are fluent in local language and have been visiting Thailand for 10 or 20 years. They either have business connections to bars or have had several long time relationships with girls. So that information reported are for a wide range of time, maybe it went back to more than 10 years ago, that's how I read it in context.

I just want to politely say this. I think Asian mongers are very misunderstood here. They have different approach but their basic thinking is quite similar to members here. As far as Chinese is concerned, they wrote very good reports, lots reports about relationship, many about how they cheat girls, they were funny to read.

Chinese (China, HK, and Taiwan) do have a form of expense account for expat mongering, particularly if you own a business yourself. That is also true for many companies. One example is for employees working in China, many companies will prepay dozens of bottles of wine at KTV so employees can go after work to entertain. That is similar to what Japanese are doing with their expats in Bangkok too. For many industries, mongering is part of business dealing locally.

Most Chinese forums are protected by point system so the content or part of the content are protected unless you reach the points required by the report poster. You gain points by posting good report because other very seniors (people with lots of points) will grant you points for good report. That is one reason their reports are very good. They have rule on what is a report too, and there are report competitions that one can gain many points quickly. Points can also be deducted for reports that don't follow rules. The reason this work is because they have huge amount of good reports, images, and videos that require many points to be able to read them.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2279607]Surely popular Nana Plaza Go-Go Bar dancers who convert ST into LT at no additional cost, take the initiative at every step, tear off condoms to dive into deep throat and swallow cum at the end of a terrific blowjob multiple times, night time and morning, are not so plentiful that someone would forget to ask for her Line or contact info.

Got to say, his report with a girl named "Wan" at Butterflies is certainly more positive than the one I would have posted. I met a girl named Wan in Butterflies a little over a week ago but I don't believe she is the same one. I have no idea what her badge number was, but the description is very different. My "Wan" was clearly younger, just over 20 if that, had a fantastic, near perfect body. Body-wise, a real standout in that club. She only marginally returned my smile from the tub area. But she did come over after her dance set to squeeze in next to me in the chair and I bought her a Lady Drink.

There was no chemistry whatsoever. No attempt for it on her part. She wouldn't even sit all the way back in the chair next to me, barely touched me and did not respond in the least when I touched her leg.

A few minutes after she got her Lady Drink "shot" (a bad sign along with all the others), another girl came nearby to say something to her. That is when my "Wan" stood up to hear the girl, remained standing and chose to shuffle a bit on her feet away from me instead of sitting back down. You know, preferring to dance between her dance sets rather than sit next to me. I paid my bill and left.

Again, I can only assume this was not the same "Wan" based on her physical description. If she was, then YMMV, indeed. LOL.[/QUOTE]EihTooms.

I have her Line and have texted her a few times the last couple of days to ensure a repeat session when I return to Bangkok. My Wan is definitely not in her younger 20's, definitely 30's. She also has a rather big tattoo on her back. I bet there is a couple of Wan working there but there should only be one with number 206 on her tits, right?

[QUOTE=JAKarl;2279674]EihTooms.

I have her Line and have texted her a few times the last couple of days to ensure a repeat session when I return to Bangkok. My Wan is definitely not in her younger 20's, definitely 30's. She also has a rather big tattoo on her back. I bet there is a couple of Wan working there but there should only be one with number 206 on her tits, right?[/QUOTE]Yes, I am sure it is not the same Wan. Although I think my Wan did have some kind of tattoo on her back, it wasn't a very big one. Her near perfect body was an utterly insignificant factor in terms of my interest in interviewing her or discussing a barfine the instant she sat down next to me, carefully avoiding as much physical contact as possible. LOL.

Of course, as always, YMMV. Even with the girl named Wan I met at Butterflies.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2277292]10 K is way above the normal range for this particular venue which is usually a very bad sign. Everything covered clinches it. You were wise to walk away. But don't leave us in suspense. How was Mixx?

Ha Ha. You're right and yet this bar is jumpin' every Fri & Sat night. I visit once or twice a year for a little variety, but for a lot of businessmen types it is a very popular bar. The talent performs well in bed and there are a few 30 something lookers there. But I prefer the FL's at CJ's in the Mulla Jakarta and Brix in the Hyatt Singapore as far as 5 * FL Hotel pick up girls go. You might remember Hari's Bar in the Holiday Inn Hong Kong. Hari's used to have amazing talent; hot Korean, Mongolian, and Thai girls, but it went to hell a few years ago. I did not even bother to stop by on my recent layover in HKG. I took a Taiwanese 141 hotel reservaton girl instead. The Wan Chai bars totally sucked filled as they were with way past their due date fat fugly girls. I almost felt sorry for these girls.[/QUOTE]I went to Spasso's for the first time in a few years last month and found a really fun Viet gal for 4 K, but gave her a well deserved 500 baht tip for going the extra mile, it was her second night according to the date stamp in her passport and she said I was her first "date" and she performed like she hadn't been laid in a while. I also enjoy this venue, yes it can be overpriced, but the "second tier" ladies are enthusiastic and seem to have something to prove. I really believe given the looks they throw at the "hotties" are a least part of the reason they are willing to play for less, and they also know that if they take good care of you the have a chance for a repeat. I have repeated with a couple of " 30 something" ladies early in the evening based on the previous nights performance.

On a Non-BKK note Natty, you are spot on, I can't help myself when in Singapore, but to stop in Brixx, but have only pulled two ladies from there. I don't do well with attitude, but it is amazing how much more fun they are when they go to Ipanema because they had no business in Brixx, they are the top of the line in Ipanema for sure at about 1/2 half the price.

Wanchai is just sad these days. Hard to find a decent Fils gal anywhere and the rest are way past the freshness dates. I too lament the passing of the "golden days" at Hari's, some of the "Northern sisters" that frequented that bar where spectacular and more fun than one should be allowed to have in one evening. I even met a couple of girls that I had first run across at Maggies in Beijing, that was an epic evening!

I have a couple of UTR ladies, that like to play on occasion when they can get out of the house, but they are sporadic. The 141 walk ups are my best bet, but it doesn't deliver the same experience as meeting a gal in the club.

I'm back in BKK in a couple of weeks and will try Mixx, but it is loud and starts really late I believe.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2279692]I went to Spasso's for the first time in a few years last month and found a really fun Viet gal for 4 K, but gave her a well deserved 500 baht tip for going the extra mile, it was her second night according to the date stamp in her passport and she said I was her first "date" and she performed like she hadn't been laid in a while. I also enjoy this venue, yes it can be overpriced, but the "second tier" ladies are enthusiastic and seem to have something to prove. I really believe given the looks they throw at the "hotties" are a least part of the reason they are willing to play for less, and they also know that if they take good care of you the have a chance for a repeat. I have repeated with a couple of " 30 something" ladies early in the evening based on the previous nights performance.[/QUOTE]Nice report Sky Ryder, thanks. I wonder if you remember the time of night you went, and what the crowd looked like. I mean, how plentiful were the "hotties" compared to the "second tier" gals, as you describe them? And plenty of gents, I assume? I'm just wondering about how vibrant Spasso is nowadays.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2279692]I'm back in BKK in a couple of weeks and will try Mixx, but it is loud and starts really late I believe.[/QUOTE]Eagerly awaiting your report, Sky Ryder.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2279715]Nice report Sky Ryder, thanks. I wonder if you remember the time of night you went, and what the crowd looked like. .[/QUOTE]Kumbu,

It was about 1:00 am, and I am sure the crowd had thinned a little. There were still a fair number of ladies, but from previous visits I think the herd had been thinned out a little. I prefer to get started a little earlier in the night, but with the clubs not named Thermae it is difficult to say the least. The one thing that draws me to Spasso is the ladies tend to dress better and use makeup to their advantage as well. Plus I can see them "operate" for a few minutes before pulling the trigger. Enjoy.

Sky.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2279715]Nice report Sky Ryder, thanks. I wonder if you remember the time of night you went, and what the crowd looked like. I mean, how plentiful were the "hotties" compared to the "second tier" gals, as you describe them? And plenty of gents, I assume? I'm just wondering about how vibrant Spasso is nowadays.

Eagerly awaiting your report, Sky Ryder.[/QUOTE]I go to Spasso once a month or so, I try to get there at 11 ish or so, stay to midnight ish when I run over to Spasso. The girls in Spasso are good looking and elegant, just not my style. Mixx is my favorite place at around 2 ish, loads of CIS girls and some decent hotties.

BJ Bars trip report.

Spreading out some trip reports in the right areas.

It was later at night and wanted a quickie before bed and went by L's. About 4 old ladies outside and to say it they were unappealing would be an understatement. Nothing of value there to be seen so kept walking around the corner to Kasalong. 4 ladies outside there. 1 of them was at least in the minimally acceptable range and took her. Paid mamasan, and went up to the room. I do like the larger room and the couch and the dimmer lights here, but that's where my liking ended. She was so rushed, I couldn't even get her name, was quick about everything and just got right to it ASAP and finished it up as fast as possible and we were done in record time. Cleaned up, packed up and that was that. No 30 minutes, no second pop, just "OK, done, bye". Pretty bad experience overall, I've been to L's and Kasalong before, but really, after this about, I'll almost certainly never go back.

Went to Wood Bar (former Dr. BJs) the next day hoping for rebound and was great to get one! As usual, the ladies here are far better looking, if not quite fine looking for a MP-girl. The ladies were not wearing their letters for some reason, I thought they always did, but I could be wrong, so not sure I could tell you which one it was, she said her name, but not letter, but a good experience drained the name out of me. Paid my 1000 baht, had a great experience and she was happy to keep going after the first pop which was CIM swallow, and we went for another for the full 30 minutes.

As usual Wood Bar comes out better and would repeat.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2279313]What's her number?[/QUOTE]Thought you could get girls for 500 baht. Isn't this out of your price range?

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2280079]Kumbu,

It was about 1:00 am, and I am sure the crowd had thinned a little. There were still a fair number of ladies, but from previous visits I think the herd had been thinned out a little. I prefer to get started a little earlier in the night, but with the clubs not named Thermae it is difficult to say the least. The one thing that draws me to Spasso is the ladies tend to dress better and use makeup to their advantage as well. Plus I can see them "operate" for a few minutes before pulling the trigger. Enjoy.

Sky.[/QUOTE]Hey, thanks Sky, this is very helpful. It sounds like Spasso might slip right into that niche between Thermae and Insomnia / Levels / Mixx, in terms of timing. Thermae may be best between 8-10 pm, and the other nightclubs only heat up after midnight. So if Spasso is at its height at midnight or so, I see the outlines of a bar-hopping scheme forming.

About 10 years ago I spent a lot of time in BKK and I had perfected the art of jumping from bar to bar. In fact, I sometimes hit 7-8 clubs / spots per night, trawling for the perfect lovely. I think I'll try something like that when I return next, which is why I wanted to nail down this timing thing with Spasso. Thanks for your help, and needless to say, I will report when it happens.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2280251]Hey, thanks Sky, this is very helpful. It sounds like Spasso might slip right into that niche between Thermae and Insomnia / Levels / Mixx, in terms of timing. Thermae may be best between 8-10 pm, and the other nightclubs only heat up after midnight. So if Spasso is at its height at midnight or so, I see the outlines of a bar-hopping scheme forming.

About 10 years ago I spent a lot of time in BKK and I had perfected the art of jumping from bar to bar. In fact, I sometimes hit 7-8 clubs / spots per night, trawling for the perfect lovely. I think I'll try something like that when I return next, which is why I wanted to nail down this timing thing with Spasso. Thanks for your help, and needless to say, I will report when it happens.[/QUOTE]Keep in mind the drink prices at Spasso, and the 450-600 baht admission to Mixx.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2280146]I go to Spasso once a month or so, I try to get there at 11 ish or so, stay to midnight ish when I run over to Spasso. The girls in Spasso are good looking and elegant, just not my style. Mixx is my favorite place at around 2 ish, loads of CIS girls and some decent hotties.[/QUOTE]See, that's good intel right there. Thanks. Thermae, followed by Spasso, followed by some noodles on the street somewhere, and then off to Mixx. Looks like a plan.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2280323]Keep in mind the drink prices at Spasso, and the 450-600 baht admission to Mixx.[/QUOTE]Again, thanks.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2280200]BJ Bars trip report.

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Went to Wood Bar (former Dr. BJs) the next day hoping for rebound and was great to get one! As usual, the ladies here are far better looking, if not quite fine looking for a MP-girl. The ladies were not wearing their letters for some reason, I thought they always did, but I could be wrong, so not sure I could tell you which one it was, she said her name, but not letter, but a good experience drained the name out of me. Paid my 1000 baht, had a great experience and she was happy to keep going after the first pop which was CIM swallow, and we went for another for the full 30 minutes.

As usual Wood Bar comes out better and would repeat.[/QUOTE]Yes, I would say a fine looking BJ Bar girl sucking for well over 30 minutes, providing multiple pops AND, most importantly, swallowing your cum without spitting any of it out afterwards for 1000 baht is way, way better than the norm and leaves the competition in the dust.

Too bad she wasn't wearing a letter and you can't remember her name. Any chance of a physical description, something about her that set her apart looks-wise?

Was told at Tulips that Soi 24 was shut down (not so actually but I think some place have been closed for a period) also told ladies at Tulips needed to wear a baggy cover in case police showed up.

All about the election she tried to explain.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2280477]See, that's good intel right there. Thanks. Thermae, followed by Spasso, followed by some noodles on the street somewhere, and then off to Mixx. Looks like a plan.

Again, thanks.[/QUOTE]No late night street gobbling in the Ratchaprasong area unfortunately. So get your noodles before you hit Spasso. In fact when you walk out of MIxx at 3 am, the whole area is dead.

Taxi tricks: don't even engage with the ones parked near Mixx, or the ones that wait on the corner. Just walk around across the street towards the Hyatt and grab a cab there. Now if you have a babe, its another story, you will probably pay a premium.

I am curious as to what impact the upcoming election will have on mongering. One person already mentioned girls having to wear baggy clothes in case the police come and that it was due to the election. Has anyone heard or seen any other impacts? Will there be a crack down on massage places, Clubs, Escorts, Soi Cowboy / Nana? I recall in the past there was some violence around the elections and protests, is that expected again this year? Trying to get a sense of the general feeling of the city and of the girls and agencies / clugs / massage, etc.

Thanks.

PIT.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2280586]No late night street gobbling in the Ratchaprasong area unfortunately. So get your noodles before you hit Spasso. In fact when you walk out of MIxx at 3 am, the whole area is dead.
.[/QUOTE]Yeah Nyezhov, I chuckled at the same notion ie late night street gobbling in the vacinity of Ratchadamiri & Phloen Chit although Mickey D on the corner is open 24 hours. HA HA. Its interesting to see who is hanging out there late at night.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2280809]Yeah Nyezhov, I chuckled at the same notion ie late night street gobbling in the vacinity of Ratchadamiri & Phloen Chit although Mickey D on the corner is open 24 hours. HA HA. Its interesting to see who is hanging out there late at night.[/QUOTE]That area is a street food desert and if Mixx and Spasso weren't there, I would rarely even go there. Plus its my gathering point for a cab. If it is wild around Lower Suhk / Asoke at closing times and the cabbies are being d*cks with their rates to home, I just walk up there in 20 minutes and catch a cab near the Hyatt, 100 baht from there gets me to my crib.

While I won't eat street food on lower Sukh except in limited places, at least there is some there.

Wow. It's been a few days since a Bangkok Report was posted. So I guess I'll throw in with what I did in Bangkok last night. Nothing particularly extraordinary, but here goes:

It had been a few weeks since I visited a Soi Cowboy go-go bar. I just don't care for the scammer vibe the place exudes. So I stopped in Shark Bar about 9 pm last night. Decent line up of girls. Bleacher seats about 2/3 filled with customers. None of the girls returned my smile at them. After about 10 minutes, a good looking girl came over to plop herself next to me. Said her name but the music was so loud I could not tell if she said "Was", "Wat", "Wes" or something else. I think her badge number was 200 something. Not that it matters. She seemed interested, looked good and felt nice sitting next to me so I agreed to buy her a Lady Drink. We chatted about the usual things; where I'm from, how long I've been here, her province, kids or not (no). Within a minute of the drink hitting the table and after one "chock dee" toast and sip, she said, "I go dance now, I come back later," and disappeared. I paid my bill and left.

WIR to Shark Bar and Soi Cowboy in general? Probably not again for a few more weeks.

Once outside of Shark Bar I replied to the repeated Line messages I'd been getting from a very sweet and cute dating site girl I've been with a couple of times already. 20 years old, medium build, curvy but no fat, no baby, only a couple of small tattoos on her upper back area, light, flawless skin, fully shaved per my instructions after first meeting her. She works as a "Pretty" representing various products in the malls. Rather fluent in English. She'd been pleading with me for another all nighter because she misses me so much. The last time we fucked was maybe 3 weeks ago because I've been busy with other girls. Oh, and she needs help to pay rent this month. LOL.

This time I said come on over to my apartment building after the mall closes. She arrived about 11 PM, looking good. After a quick shower I engaged in some lovely and delicious DATY, which she seemed to love and needed to recover from for a while afterwards. No problem, I can wait. Then she gave me the exact kind of very wet, very slow and deliberate blowjob to a 100% CIM finish while she quickly swallowed every drop with a smile, never spilling or spitting out any of it that I was very much in the mood for this night. I told her that was what I was in the mood for in my earlier Line message reply. Consequently, there was no further discussion about it in the room. She just did it for me.

Afterwards, it was a pleasure to have her curled up naked next to me for a good night's sleep knowing all of my cum had found a home in a very warm spot deep inside her tummy.

This morning I slipped 2,000 baht under her purse while she was taking a shower. That is the amount she agreed to from the beginning for our all nighters, including transportation to and from my apartment. She gave me a big hug and kiss at the door in appreciation for it and left about 10 AM.

WIR? No doubt in my mind about it. Within the next 1-2 weeks if I have free time for her.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2282642]Wow. It's been a few days since a Bangkok Report was posted. So I guess I'll throw in with what I did in Bangkok last night. Nothing particularly extraordinary, but here goes:

It had been a few weeks since I visited a Soi Cowboy go-go bar. I just don't care for the scammer vibe the place exudes. So I stopped in Shark Bar about 9 pm last night. Decent line up of girls. Bleacher seats about 2/3 filled with customers. None of the girls returned my smile at them. After about 10 minutes, a good looking girl came over to plop herself next to me. Said her name but the music was so loud I could not tell if she said "Was", "Wat", "Wes" or something else. I think her badge number was 200 something. Not that it matters. She seemed interested, looked good and felt nice sitting next to me so I agreed to buy her a Lady Drink. We chatted about the usual things; where I'm from, how long I've been here, her province, kids or not (no). Within a minute of the drink hitting the table and after one "chock dee" toast and sip, she said, "I go dance now, I come back later," and disappeared. I paid my bill and left.

WIR to Shark Bar and Soi Cowboy in general? Probably not again for a few more weeks.

Once outside of Shark Bar I replied to the repeated Line messages I'd been getting from a very sweet and cute dating site girl I've been with a couple of times already. 20 years old, medium build, curvy but no fat, no baby, only a couple of small tattoos on her upper back area, light, flawless skin, fully shaved per my instructions after first meeting her. She works as a "Pretty" representing various products in the malls. Rather fluent in English. She'd been pleading with me for another all nighter because she misses me so much. The last time we fucked was maybe 3 weeks ago because I've been busy with other girls. Oh, and she needs help to pay rent this month. LOL.

This time I said come on over to my apartment building after the mall closes. She arrived about 11 PM, looking good. After a quick shower I engaged in some lovely and delicious DATY, which she seemed to love and needed to recover from for a while afterwards. No problem, I can wait. Then she gave me the exact kind of very wet, very slow and deliberate blowjob to a 100% CIM finish while she quickly swallowed every drop with a smile, never spilling or spitting out any of it that I was very much in the mood for this night. I told her that was what I was in the mood for in my earlier Line message reply. Consequently, there was no further discussion about it in the room. She just did it for me.

Afterwards, it was a pleasure to have her curled up naked next to me for a good night's sleep knowing all of my cum had found a home in a very warm spot deep inside her tummy.

This morning I slipped 2,000 baht under her purse while she was taking a shower. That is the amount she agreed to from the beginning for our all nighters, including transportation to and from my apartment. She gave me a big hug and kiss at the door in appreciation for it and left about 10 AM.

WIR? No doubt in my mind about it. Within the next 1-2 weeks if I have free time for her.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the activity post. So many of the forums have devolved into bickering about petty stuff. I almost don't bother with the FKK Chat forum. Pseudo intellectual babble replaces comparing dick sizes.

So anyhow thanks for the post. It's always great to find a keeper like that, even though it's ultimately catch and release.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2282642]Wow. It's been a few days since a Bangkok Report was posted. [/QUOTE]Many thanks for the post. It's amazing how slow this thread has become, so your post is most welcome.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2282642]Once outside of Shark Bar I replied to the repeated Line messages I'd been getting from a very sweet and cute dating site girl I've been with a couple of times already. 20 years old, medium build, curvy but no fat, no baby, only a couple of small tattoos on her upper back area, light, flawless skin, fully shaved per my instructions after first meeting her. She works as a "Pretty" representing various products in the malls. [/QUOTE]Sounds super interesting. Did you post on how you met this lovely, by any chance?

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2282727]Many thanks for the post. It's amazing how slow this thread has become, so your post is most welcome.

Sounds super interesting. Did you post on how you met this lovely, by any chance?[/QUOTE]I met her on one of the dating sites, ThaiCupid or ThaiFriendly, can't remember which now. A few months ago. My style is to click on profiles just to read and gawk at the photos of girls who look interesting to me, no matter what age or what their desired age range is and wait to see if they see that I've viewed their profile and will click Interested in me first. Or maybe the girl will click Interested in me before I have seen her pic and profile.

Yes, there is a lot of junk in those sites. But that is easy to ignore. Sometimes a gem finds her way to my profile and clicks Interested. Then I take it from there. Honestly, I do not have all that much luck when I click Interested in them first. Can't exactly say why. So even when I see a real winner I would love to make contact with, she says "any age" and looks great, I know from my experience that my clicking Interested in her first will pretty much kill any chance that we will wind up fucking in the foreseeable future. I must resist the temptation and wait it out to see what happens. LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2282733]I met her on one of the dating sites, ThaiCupid or ThaiFriendly, can't remember which now. A few months ago. My style is to click on profiles just to read and gawk at the photos of girls who look interesting to me, no matter what age or what their desired age range is and wait to see if they see that I've viewed their profile and will click Interested in me first. Or maybe the girl will click Interested in me before I have seen her pic and profile.

Yes, there is a lot of junk in those sites. But that is easy to ignore. Sometimes a gem finds her way to my profile and clicks Interested. Then I take it from there. Honestly, I do not have all that much luck when I click Interested in them first. Can't exactly say why. So even when I see a real winner I would love to make contact with, she says "any age" and looks great, I know from my experience that my clicking Interested in her first will pretty much kill any chance that we will wind up fucking in the foreseeable future. I must resist the temptation and wait it out to see what happens. LOL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that background, and for the strategy for sifting out the winners from the losers. Several years ago when I was working in Bangkok, I spent time cultivating the girls of Central World near Chit Lom. It was fun, and I bedded one of the pretty ones, but it was a HECK of a lot of hassle. I got myself a reputation amongst the counter girls, and if things had continued, I might have bedded another one or two. But then they burned the building to the ground. When I first heard about the burning, I thought it was boyfriends of the girls who were taking revenge on me. I jest, of course, but my point is that you seem to have found a simpler method to find such girls, and one that involves far less hassle. Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2282737]Thanks for that background, and for the strategy for sifting out the winners from the losers. Several years ago when I was working in Bangkok, I spent time cultivating the girls of Central World near Chit Lom. It was fun, and I bedded one of the pretty ones, but it was a HECK of a lot of hassle. I got myself a reputation amongst the counter girls, and if things had continued, I might have bedded another one or two. But then they burned the building to the ground. When I first heard about the burning, I thought it was boyfriends of the girls who were taking revenge on me. I jest, of course, but my point is that you seem to have found a simpler method to find such girls, and one that involves far less hassle. Thanks for sharing.[/QUOTE]LOL. I thought it was Central World that burnt to the ground. Central Chidlom too?

Yes, the dating site thing isn't for everyone. I wasted time spinning my wheels pursuing girls by clicking Interested first and all that. And you can come up with a winner every now and then that way. But it's a lot of work. Probably more work than it is worth once they know YOU are so interested in them. Easier just to click around for a while each day, come back later and see if there are any nibbles just from letting them know your hook and lure is in the water.

I think a lot of girls just post hot pics of themselves to see how many guys will click Interested in them first. Those are the ones who will really waste your time. More often than not, the pics they post are old, back when they WERE hot but too shy, lazy or stuck up to make the most of what they had going for them. And now they are posting the old pics just to see what they COULD have done with their youth and looks before it was too late.

I need to see they are making an aggressive move, however minor, to meet me. Then I will engage if I am truly intersted. Hey, I might say something complimentary when the girl's pics are off the wall good. But I don't expect anything positive fucking-wise to come of doing it that way. And if it does, I guess lightning strikes someplace sometime.

Score off Tinder:

27 year old petite American chick that was an absolute BBFS maniac. B2100 for a solid 2 hours of pummeling, 2 shots.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2282872]Score off Tinder:

27 year old petite American chick that was an absolute BBFS maniac. B2100 for a solid 2 hours of pummeling, 2 shots.[/QUOTE]Something doesn't quite add up.

Why would a reasonably young (and I am guessing reasonably attractive) (not too many "petite" Americans) sell herself for 2100 baht. ?

I would think she would be able to get at least double that price. In a place like BKK, she's "exotic".

[QUOTE=Catire;2282975]Something doesn't quite add up.

Why would a reasonably young (and I am guessing reasonably attractive) (not too many "petite" Americans) sell herself for 2100 baht. ?

I would think she would be able to get at least double that price. In a place like BKK, she's "exotic".[/QUOTE]1. She was a cutie.

2. She lives and works in Asia, but not here.

3. She is picky.

4. Its just some fun and an income supplement.

Speaking on the same related subject, I made contact with an African-American girl from NYC on Tinder yesterday claiming to be on vacation in Bangkok. But this back story gets even more interesting as she also claims to be an ESL teacher in Hanoi. Her photos show an average looking girl, nothing special but not bad either. Thin and dark skin with long legs. She also says she is a model in NYC and appears to be affiliated with the party and fashion set in NYC based on her photos.

After a few minutes of texting she asked me what I was looking for on Tinder and I said well, this is Bangkok so whatever is available. She then countered asking for a 'few thousand THB' for a pleasurable time to be had by me. I wrote back suggesting a tiered pricing schedule of 2 k for one hour, 3 k for two hours, and 4 K for long time with some clubbing involved. I did not hear back from her for several hours but she eventually responded by agreeing to the second option. When I texted my confirmation, I did not hear back again until much later in the evening. By then I had gone out and found a Viet girl but her excuse for not immediately responding was her phone had gone dead but wanted to know if I was free today.

I am also putting this out there in case someone else has ran across this girl.

From her correspondence, she said she is leaving tomorrow so trying to decide if I should pull the trigger on this. I have never used Tinder except to view photos and have little experience whether this is something I should try. However, the novelty of this situation sound interesting particularly her background story, if it can be believed.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2282872]Score off Tinder:

27 year old petite American chick that was an absolute BBFS maniac. B2100 for a solid 2 hours of pummeling, 2 shots.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2283063]Speaking on the same related subject, I made contact with an African-American girl from NYC on Tinder yesterday claiming to be on vacation in Bangkok. But this back story gets even more interesting as she also claims to be an ESL teacher in Hanoi. Her photos show an average looking girl, nothing special but not bad either. Thin and dark skin with long legs. She also says she is a model in NYC and appears to be affiliated with the party and fashion set in NYC based on her photos.

After a few minutes of texting she asked me what I was looking for on Tinder and I said well, this is Bangkok so whatever is available. She then countered asking for a 'few thousand THB' for a pleasurable time to be had by me. I wrote back suggesting a tiered pricing schedule of 2 k for one hour, 3 k for two hours, and 4 K for long time with some clubbing involved. I did not hear back from her for several hours but she eventually responded by agreeing to the second option. When I texted my confirmation, I did not hear back again until much later in the evening. By then I had gone out and found a Viet girl but her excuse for not immediately responding was her phone had gone dead but wanted to know if I was free today.[/QUOTE]She was a cool chick.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2280567]Yes, I would say a fine looking BJ Bar girl sucking for well over 30 minutes, providing multiple pops AND, most importantly, swallowing your cum without spitting any of it out afterwards for 1000 baht is way, way better than the norm and leaves the competition in the dust.

Too bad she wasn't wearing a letter and you can't remember her name. Any chance of a physical description, something about her that set her apart looks-wise?[/QUOTE]She had fairly good English if that helps. There were more girls there than on the website when I went, so its hard to pick out who she was. I've never seen them without the letters on before (that I can remember) so thought it odd.

Trip report from Nana plaza.

Note: I didn't get any action on this night, if you're just looking for that info, you can skip this post.

Arrived at Nana plaza fairly late 11:30 pm or so after a long, very hot day. Wasn't planning on getting any action but to check the place and ladies out for the next round in a night or two when I'd be back and have some beers and a show.

Rainbow ground level. First stop was Rainbow ground level on the right. Was ushered in to a seat and made to buy a drink immediately, but for some reason it took the waitress like 5 minutes to bring my beer. Being my first stop of the night I was looking to get a feel of the quality. I didn't think there was much special here. Very mid range looking gogo girls, but lots of shapes and sizes. Only about 12 girls on stage, and they were not rotating out too much, just a few here or there. I saw zero girls come off stage to talk to customers or be BF'ed. Was hoping for topless but nothing. Not much reason to stay but grabbed another beer, slammed it, and moved on.

Angelwitch. Next stop is Angelwitch, I tend to like this place, boobs out, good girls, and the show can be fun to watch, and its not too sleazy or pushy as some gogos. Overall, nothing too interesting, but better than Rainbow 1, although less girls. This is just when of the better chill spots to hang out I think, plus the girls are always at fairly good. Nothing stood out though and moved on.

Rainbow 4 - They really push the Japanese look hard here, and lots of Japanese patrons in the building. Overall, easily, no questions asked, the best looking girls at any gogo I in Nana. That is overall, not each individually. Lots of Japanese-styled girls too, that's not really my thing, but they did look damn good and I notched it down for later. When I got there there were topless girls, but that ended fairly quickly. I was here for a while checking out the wares, it really was much better than the others. Lots of girls hanging out in the tables and standard off the stage too, which bodes well IMO. Def made a not to come back here when I was ready later in my trip. Too numerous girls that looked great to even count.

Billboard. This place is the fun spot. It's more a dance club atmosphere than a boring gogo. I could talk it up a while, I'd say the ladies here were second to Rainbow 4, its great that they have one area where the girls are naked, and you're not pressed to constantly get drinks here as much as its more of a fun atmosphere with girls dancing than it is a standard gogo. At this point, I've had a lot of beers, I'm really tired, but finally getting some naked girls is a huge plus, and being able to chill at a table and such and just take it in was refreshing. Again, no girls that stood out here wildly on looks, but overall they were quite good and I would have been happy to BF plenty of them. Had my last beer and decided to peak in a few spots.

Quick looks. Peaked into Spanky's (because they were trying to slap me with that thing), meh. Same with Rainbow 3, just nothing worth going to and the place was half deserted. Browsed around the smaller gogos right in the area, and all the same, basically empty with just a handful of girls and blaring loud music for the zero people spending money inside. Guess there's a reason the pretty ladies are so prevalent at the bigger gogos, even they wouldn't want to be in these.

Stumbled back to my hotel, very late.

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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2283437]With that in mind, it's great to hear the shop lost a lot of business defending and protecting that little scammer. I hope they took all of the refund out of her portion of the Pay Upfront bill. I don't recall Paying Upfront at a BJ Bar in the past. But I can tell you that unless the BJ that follows me Paying Upfront is one of the best I have ever experienced in a year, I would never go back to such a shop a second time.[/QUOTE]Kasalong is pay up front now.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2283362]Trip report from Nana plaza.

Rainbow ground level.
Angelwitch.
Rainbow 4
Billboard.
Spanky's.
Rainbow 3

Stumbled back to my hotel, very late.

More to come in appropriate threads.[/QUOTE]Good Go Go update Grapeman. It would be great to see more posts like this one.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2283439]Kasalong is pay up front now.[/QUOTE]Good to know. I haven't tried a girl at Kasalong for several months, maybe more than a year. I would give one a try again. But, as I said, the blowjob had better be one of the best I've gotten in a year to justify Pay Upfront or I won't bother to go there again unless I can Pay After. And I've gotten some damn good ones in the past year.

If it is as bad as the one Mdemde got from the 7-Heaven scammer, I will have no problem asking for a refund. And, if not given, I would donate an extra hour of my time standing outside Kasalong Bar (or any Pay Upfront BJ Bar where that happened) warning fellow punters that this place is a Rip Off, Avoid. Or until I get my refund, whichever comes first.

In the past I have done exactly that with a Go-Go bar in Soi Cowboy and one in Patpong to very positive results. However, I would not stand off against a drawn gun. In that case, I'd call the cops.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2283439]Kasalong is pay up front now.[/QUOTE]Been their prob 7 times in last 45 days, never paid upfront once.

I am a paying member of Tinder in Thailand. So far it has proven to be a gigantic ripoff. Case in point: last afternoon I received a message from a very attractive Thai girl, 24 yo, 173 cm, and 50 kg. She wanted to get together for a drink so I texted her back to agree and asked where / when should we meet?

A while later, she texted me to meet at NEP. Uh oh I thought. Where in NEP I enquired? She writes back and says she is in Rainbow 3 and to come there. So basically she is doing the classic phishing or trolling. I image she has been texting guys all day trying to get a sucker to come in and see her, buy her a LD, bar fine etc. , which is exactly what I am trying to avoid by participating in Tinder. I texted her back to say that I don't pay BF and lets meet for a drink elsewhere. Naturally, I never heard back. The other problem with Tinder is it contains an inordinate amount of LB's. Maybe other BM's have had success but so far it has been a dud for me.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2284016]I am a paying member of Tinder in Thailand. So far it has proven to be a gigantic ripoff. Case in point: last afternoon I received a message from a very attractive Thai girl, 24 yo, 173 cm, and 50 kg. She wanted to get together for a drink so I texted her back to agree and asked where / when should we meet?

A while later, she texted me to meet at NEP. Uh oh I thought. Where in NEP I enquired? She writes back and says she is in Rainbow 3 and to come there. So basically she is doing the classic phishing or trolling. I image she has been texting guys all day trying to get a sucker to come in and see her, buy her a LD, bar fine etc. , which is exactly what I am trying to avoid by participating in Tinder. I texted her back to say that I don't pay BF and lets meet for a drink elsewhere. Naturally, I never heard back. The other problem with Tinder is it contains an inordinate amount of LB's. Maybe other BM's have had success but so far it has been a dud for me.[/QUOTE]Well, first I have to say I agree with you regarding LB. But for me Tinder worked out really fine last year. Hooked up with some really cute (petite and with some curves) girls. Maybe I was just lucky, but I will give it a new try on my next trip in May or June. Wish a happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2284016]I am a paying member of Tinder in Thailand. So far it has proven to be a gigantic ripoff. [/QUOTE]IMHO Thai Friendly works very well in Thailand. A few years back Badoo and Tinder were pretty good, even WeChat was reasonably good. But I believe all these have gone down the drain now. That has been my personal experience.

Any BKK expats care to confirm or refute?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2284122]IMHO Thai Friendly works very well in Thailand. A few years back Badoo and Tinder were pretty good, even WeChat was reasonably good. But I believe all these have gone down the drain now. That has been my personal experience.

Any BKK expats care to confirm or refute?[/QUOTE]Tinder is good and Thai Friendly is good still have to separate the wheat from the chaff though.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2284016]I am a paying member of Tinder in Thailand. So far it has proven to be a gigantic ripoff.

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The other problem with Tinder is it contains an inordinate amount of LB's. Maybe other BM's have had success but so far it has been a dud for me.[/QUOTE]Interesting that I just reinstalled the Tinder app on my phone due to fairly high praise and success with it from a visiting friend starting from the first couple of hours he used it. The photos and video clips of his Matches looked really nice and they did not appear to be ladyboys. He had a couple of STs with 2 of them at 1500 baht each and he says they turned out fine. For perspective, he is a nice guy who looks older than me (65), bald and overweight.

So far in my first couple of days right swiping hundreds of likely nearby prospects I have gotten exactly 1 Match who, just as it was when I first tried this damn thing a couple of years ago, appears more like a ladyboy the closer I scrutinize her/his photo and sent even more signals for it in our brief Line chat. LOL.

Good luck, bad luck, I have no idea. If Tinder is the same for me as the more traditional dating sites, the pattern for me is I get little or no good results when I click Interested first. Or in the case of Tinder when I right swipe first. Virtually all of my good experiences happen when the girl has clicked Interested in me first.

I see I have 25 Likes on Tinder now. But since all but 1 of them were right swipes of my photo and profile without me right swiping theirs as well for a Match, I can't view them without becoming a paid Premium member. And since I mostly only have good experiences with online meet ups who click on me first I guess I will have to pony up a Premium fee some day to satisfy my curiousity. Probably 23 of them are ladyboys.

Tinder works fine for me for free. I just aimlessly swipe, and something always surfaces.

With years of fun reading and following things at this site maybe its time for me to contribute a bit again. Just finished a total of 7-8 days of work and pleasure in Bangkok. It was my first ever visit to Thailand. During a transit I created a profile at TC, paid the feed, uploaded a decent picture and waited. Nothing happened of course. I started writing women in Bangkok ages 18-29. A nice short polite message. To my very big surprise 1 in 5 would probably answer. I typically suggested right away that we continued talking at an app called LINE which seems to be the thing here. The score: I had sex with 5 woman including af 25 year old virgin. The rest was aged 19, 22, 29 and around 30 (can't remember). I should add that I look late 40 but few years older (wrote 49 in profile as there seem to be a psychological barrier around 50). Only one of these women were paid money. She told me that she previously had been together two days with a European gentleman who had given her 5000 baht as a parting gift. She never asked anything though and I gave her 1000 baht in the morning. She looked happy and was happy to come back. None of these woman seemed like pros or even semi-pro. They really gave the impression they were looking for a relationship. In all honesty I tried to be careful not to indicate that I was looking for marriage. Few things stood out: All of these women clear had a strong preference for the Western (white?) male. 3 had had a previous 3-6 months long relationship with European men. 1 maybe 2 had a child. In all cases we had sex on the first date.

None of these women were really stunners or classic Thai beauties. I choose to write those with funny ugly glasses, chubby or not smiling. Thinking they probably did not get a lot of attention. Well, later glasses got off and smiles were big.

The Tinder premium plan is somewhat worthless though they charge 19.99 per month, which does not allow you to view woman who send you 'likes'. Instead, tinder wants you to buy the Gold membership, which does allow this feature. This would be an additional $10 per month. I recommend googling tinder to find out the subtle distinction between these payment categories. In One article I read, the owner of a Tinder could not even justify buying the premium package.

Most ladyboys on tinder appear to announce their status but not all. I was looking at a photo that someone sent to me last night and wonder if she is actually a he. Something about her pictured anatomy particularly 'her' taut abdomen and midriff seems a bit too tight. But other than that dubious individual, I have not received any responses in the the last few weeks worth pursuing. And your right, 23 of those 25 you noted who 'like' you are prob lb"s.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2284293]Interesting that I just reinstalled the Tinder app on my phone due to fairly high praise and success with it from a visiting friend starting from the first couple of hours he used it. The photos and video clips of his Matches looked really nice and they did not appear to be ladyboys. He had a couple of STs with 2 of them at 1500 baht each and he says they turned out fine. For perspective, he is a nice guy who looks older than me (65), bald and overweight.

So far in my first couple of days right swiping hundreds of likely nearby prospects I have gotten exactly 1 Match who, just as it was when I first tried this damn thing a couple of years ago, appears more like a ladyboy the closer I scrutinize her/his photo and sent even more signals for it in our brief Line chat. LOL.

Good luck, bad luck, I have no idea. If Tinder is the same for me as the more traditional dating sites, the pattern for me is I get little or no good results when I click Interested first. Or in the case of Tinder when I right swipe first. Virtually all of my good experiences happen when the girl has clicked Interested in me first.

I see I have 25 Likes on Tinder now. But since all but 1 of them were right swipes of my photo and profile without me right swiping theirs as well for a Match, I can't view them without becoming a paid Premium member. And since I mostly only have good experiences with online meet ups who click on me first I guess I will have to pony up a Premium fee some day to satisfy my curiousity. Probably 23 of them are ladyboys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2284400]The Tinder premium plan is somewhat worthless though they charge 19.99 per month, which does not allow you to view woman who send you 'likes'. Instead, tinder wants you to buy the Gold membership, which does allow this feature. This would be an additional $10 per month. I recommend googling tinder to find out the subtle distinction between these payment categories. In One article I read, the owner of a Tinder could not even justify buying the premium package.

Most ladyboys on tinder appear to announce their status but not all. I was looking at a photo that someone sent to me last night and wonder if she is actually a he. Something about her pictured anatomy particularly 'her' taut abdomen and midriff seems a bit too tight. But other than that dubious individual, I have not received any responses in the the last few weeks worth pursuing. And your right, 23 of those 25 you noted who 'like' you are prob lb"s.[/QUOTE]Just as a bit of feedback here I'm actually a gold member. The cost is pretty trivial to me by comparison to even a single trip out to a gogo or whatever, so if I score out of it even once a month I'm ahead. There are a couple of benefits of gold. One is that you get daily "super likes". As far as I can tell (I'm not 100% sure) when you super like someone she can see it without having to match with you. So it has a much better chance of response. You get five of them a day, and I definitely don't use them all. The other advantage is "boosts". Boosts push you up to the first profile in people's phones for half an hour. You get one a month. I clicked on the button not knowing what it did, and it resulted in a fucking flood of likes. And more than a few matches.

As for who likes you. In my experience they're rarely interesting. Only about 1/10 is worth a second look. Most of them are overweight, unattractive local women looking for a husband. Only occasionally are they cute. But also only occasionally are they LBs. Not that I'm saying you can always tell, but most LBs on there seem to be open about it and most of the others I'm pretty confident. I've admittedly also seen a few that didn't say so but I'd bet money there's some junk in their trunks. Still, I have made a reasonable number of matches from Tinder, a few conversations, and even a couple of dates.

If you're looking for Tinder as free sex being flung around, you're not going to find it. If you're looking for a bit of NSA fun with a cute local. You're probably not going to find that either. Almost all the women on there are looking for serious relationships. Your success is going to vary a lot depending on you. If you're old and crusty it's not going to work for you. Sorry. If you're looking for hookers you'll find plenty of those. Though tbh the prices are not as cheap as they should be, I've asked. What I'm looking for myself is a pleasant and long-term mutually beneficial arrangement with a nice young woman. That seems like a more likely find here.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2284153]Tinder is good and Thai Friendly is good still have to separate the wheat from the chaff though.[/QUOTE]I have never tried Tinder but had some good results from Thai Friendly in Bangkok over the years, but have more or less given up on it. I first used it about seven years ago, I have had periods of paid-for membership and periods of free membership and I'll admit that I knocked off a few years from my real age (I was in my late 50's when I first used it and set my age to 45). The main reason I have just about given up on it is because I am bored with it!

It's a numbers game, for every 200 messages I sent out (nothing complicated, 'Hi, nice to meet you, my name is x, what's your name?' or similar) I would get about 40 replies. My target group were 18 to 23 year-olds, but sometimes I changed my search settings to 23 to 29 year olds. Of the 40 replies I received, I would then exchange a few more messages, about 10 or 15 would reply once or twice then stop. A few more would continue to reply but make excuses when I asked to meet them. I'm sure some of them were only using it to practice their English! If I was lucky, I would meet up with maybe 9 or 10 of them.

We always met first in a shopping mall which was my choice and my preferred way of doing things. Of the 9 or 10 girls, it was a once only meet for about 8 girls, either because I didn't fancy them or they didn't fancy me.

Over the last 7 years I probably met a total of about 100 or 120 girls from a group of what I would describe as not sex workers, but just girls looking for fun or looking for a partner, and ended up going to bed with about 15 or 20 of them. None of them asked for any money. There was a mix of students, factory workers, office workers, some worked in a coffee shop or restaurant, some were unemployed. Some were single with no kids, some were single mums, some were divorced, so a good mix. I had a brief relationship with 6 of them, 2 of them dumped me, I dumped the others, various reasons and I won't bore anyone with the details.

On our first date it was always a meet at a shopping mall to say Hello, in person, and then on to either a meal or an ice-cream or a coffee. Sometimes (but not always) I would then ask them back to my room, sometimes I was turned down but ended up in bed with them after a second or third or fourth date, sometimes I never saw them again. Sometimes they agreed to come back to my room. Those that did agree to come to my room did not always end up in my bed, my advances were sometimes declined, but sometimes I struck lucky!

There were also about another 10 girls I met who I would describe as hustlers, and on a first meet would ask me for a loan or some money, which I always turned down, and I made no attempt to progress further with them.

I also met about about 10 or 15 girls from a mixed group of full-time freelancers / working girls selling sex, and of semi-professionals IE they had jobs or were studying but were looking for some pocket money. All but 1 was a ST meet (the other was an all nighter), rates from THB1 k to to 2.5 k. Most were only one-time or two-time hook-ups, I met one of them about 10 times and had wanted to meet her again but she stopped answering my messages.

Here are 4 pics of 2 girls I met on Thai Friendly about a year ago, I would class them as semi-professionals, there are 2 pics of a 21 year-old student, really pretty, she asked for 3 k ST but settled for 2.5 K. We arranged a meet, and she then said she was a 'little bit pregnant' and asked me if that would be a problem, I said no. When we met she was wearing a very baggy top, and I only saw just how far gone she was when we got to the room (ST hotel) and she took her top off! It looked to me like she was about 7 months pregnant. The other 2 pics are of a 27 year old, we settled for 2 k ST. I only met them once.

Does anyone know if Sabai Sabai massage on Suk Soi 11 is closed? I used to go by there for a good massage and have girls come to the room for a nice early morning wake up but it looks like it may be closed or moved. Any info is much appreciated.

PIT.

[QUOTE=PassinThrough;2284597]Does anyone know if Sabai Sabai massage on Suk Soi 11 is closed?

PIT.[/QUOTE]Long gone.

[QUOTE=Braakaaten;2273186]Is there anyone who can advise where to find a pregnant girl in Bangkok. I have been in Bangkok multiple times over the last years but so far I haven't seen any preggies.

Thanks in advance for any information that can be helpful.[/QUOTE]As a retail transaction I've never figured out how to hook this up in Bangkok (unfortunate, considering in Tokyo there's at least one first rate and completely foreigner-friendly agency catering to this specific fetish, god bless the Japanese), nor do I have contracts of any specific girl to share, but in the unlikely event it's helpful, a few weeks back there was a very decent looking 7-ish month pregnant girl that I spotted on several nights either waddling across the Sukhumvit soi 7 footbridge or hanging around underneath the BTS platform and collecting change. As I was staying practically next door in Landmark I was tempted to invite her up for an hour or two, but did not get around to it.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2284557]Here are 4 pics of 2 girls I met on Thai Friendly about a year ago, I would class them as semi-professionals, there are 2 pics of a 21 year-old student, really pretty, she asked for 3 k ST but settled for 2.5 K. We arranged a meet, and she then said she was a 'little bit pregnant' and asked me if that would be a problem, I said no. When we met she was wearing a very baggy top, and I only saw just how far gone she was when we got to the room (ST hotel) and she took her top off! It looked to me like she was about 7 months pregnant. The other 2 pics are of a 27 year old, we settled for 2 k ST. I only met them once.[/QUOTE]That's more than a little pregnant. Should've given her 100 baht then kicked her out. Low standards.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2284557]It's a numbers game, for every 200 messages I sent out[/QUOTE]Interesting thanks for the detail. Were you looking for free hookups? I'd say you did pretty good.

[QUOTE=NaughtyDogBKK;2284412]Just as a bit of feedback here I'm actually a gold member. The cost is pretty trivial to me by comparison to even a single trip out to a gogo or whatever, so if I score out of it even once a month I'm ahead. There are a couple of benefits of gold. One is that you get daily "super likes". As far as I can tell (I'm not 100% sure) when you super like someone she can see it without having to match with you. So it has a much better chance of response. You get five of them a day, and I definitely don't use them all. The other advantage is "boosts". Boosts push you up to the first profile in people's phones for half an hour. You get one a month. I clicked on the button not knowing what it did, and it resulted in a fucking flood of likes. And more than a few matches.

-snip-[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip. I will check it out to see what happens when I do that. Actually, I have a report for what happened for me earlier this evening with my brand new Tinder Gold Membership:

First of all, let me hit all the usual addendum; YMMV, Luck Matters, Maybe This Was a One Off, This Isn't For Everyone, etc.

This afternoon I decided to give a full year Tinder Gold membership a try. It cost me $149.99 USD on my credit card, bringing the cost down to $12.99 USD per month. As you said, that isn't going to break me and if I get one decent fuck per month out of it, it would be worth it.

Well, gents, the girl I got and the experience I had just a few hours ago more than justified this month's $12.99 USD. Who knows if the way I handled it mattered or not but here is what I did. I laid it all out in my "About (me)" portion of the profile. Brutally direct. I mean I confessed that I would not be able to have sex with a condom but I'd gotten a vasectomy and always have a recent blood check document to show if you want to see it. I was even able to fit into the limited amount of characters allowed to mention that a girl having a shaved pussy is my preference. I then closed with a very polite, "If you are not comfortable to have sex with me this way, please move on to the next man. Thank you."

Honestly, I no longer have patience for the round about approach with these online girls. It is all too easy for them to waste your time chatting for hours over the course of a few days before you find out that what you really want is not going to happen anytime soon. And, obviously, I am primarily looking for straight up P4P girls on Tinder, not sweet young virgins looking for a husband. If there are only 10 of them within 26 kilometers of where I am on lower Sukhumvit on a given night, those are the ones I want to talk to.

I included three recent photos and added one of those 3 second video clips of my adorable smiling face in my profile.

Almost right away I got several Likes and Matches. I wrote a message to the one that looked most interesting to me for tonight on the order of "Hi. Did you read my profile? Want to meet?" She replied yes, we exchanged Line info and from there got to the particulars about how much, where do I live and what time. I told this one 2,000 Baht, 2500 Baht if no rush and she was extra sweet to me. She earned the 2,500 Baht on this night.

Her? She was easily one of the top 2-3 best looking African girls I have seen working in Bangkok. Actually, I don't know if I have seen her on the street. She says she usually goes to the clubs with her girlfriends, Pullman Hotel's bar and lounge being where she happened to be heading to tonight. She would fit right in at one of the more upscale clubs and bars, I think. 23 years old. Fine, sexy African female body, nothing extreme or weird about her at all. Nice full breasts. Great butt. Beautiful face. No apparent baby damage and I did not ask. She came across as being very confident in her dress and general demeanor but in the room was kind of shy in a very sexy way for my tastes. She took a shower of course and tasted just fine during a lovely round of DATY, which she seemed to genuinely enjoy. Fantastic BBBJ as oral foreplay. Deep throat. I will definitely want to test out if and how she finishes that next time. At the finish, as sweet a True GFE as I've had with almost any P4P girl in Thailand.

Could I have gotten her in this way for less? Maybe. But my experience with African girls in Bangkok, of which there are few left these days, is I have never had one that looked acceptable agree to BBFS+CIP for any amount of money. This one was far and away more than "acceptable" looking.

I have no idea if it is reasonable to expect something like this to happen once a month or more. If it does, then that was $149.99 USD well spent in my case. I suppose I could have gotten this same result with the same methods I applied to my profile and photos even without paying for Tinder Gold. But if I did, I would have ponied up for Tinder Gold after tonight anyway! I won't be doing this every night or even every week. I am still quite busy with other "regular" non pro girls these days. But I will post updates on anything notably good or bad as they come along when I do.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2285032]]Honestly, I no longer have patience for the round about approach with these online girls. It is all too easy for them to waste your time chatting for hours over the course of a few days before you find out that what you really want is not going to happen anytime soon. And, obviously, I am primarily looking for straight up P4P girls on Tinder, not sweet young virgins looking for a husband. If there are only 10 of them within 26 kilometers of where I am on lower Sukhumvit on a given night, those are the ones I want to talk to.

I have no idea if it is reasonable to expect something like this to happen once a month or more. If it does, then that was $149.99 USD well spent in my case. I suppose I could have gotten this same result with the same methods I applied to my profile and photos even without paying for Tinder Gold. But if I did, I would have ponied up for Tinder Gold after tonight anyway! I won't be doing this every night or even every week. I am still quite busy with other "regular" non pro girls these days. But I will post updates on anything notably good or bad as they come along when I do.[/QUOTE]Subscriptions to Tinder and the dating sites are worth it if only to make yourself available and to have women accessible to you. Because the apps are mobile, you can take it with you to any of the bars or strolling walking street. It is very convenient. The main negative is obvious bait and switch at which point give up 100 baht to send them the other direction. Time wasted, sure, but more good than bad can come of it.

With regards to Tinder, too many LBs on there, but they (usually) state as such in their profile. There's a lot to be filtered out and a bit less reliable. With that said, its cost is small in the general scheme of things. Glad to read about your success story. Said it before, but the scene is moving out of the bars and more on the streets than ever and on apps.

TCupid has been most successful in my experience. Lots of fish in the sea, so to speak. Still use the other sites if only to at least have access.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2284557]Here are 4 pics of 2 girls I met on Thai Friendly about a year ago, I would class them as semi-professionals, there are 2 pics of a 21 year-old student, really pretty, she asked for 3 k ST but settled for 2.5 K. We arranged a meet, and she then said she was a 'little bit pregnant' and asked me if that would be a problem, I said no. When we met she was wearing a very baggy top, and I only saw just how far gone she was when we got to the room (ST hotel) and she took her top off! It looked to me like she was about 7 months pregnant. The other 2 pics are of a 27 year old, we settled for 2 k ST. I only met them once.[/QUOTE]Great!

I would have paid extra! So would some others. Hard to find preggos willing to sex for money in LOS.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2285101]Subscriptions to Tinder and the dating sites are worth it if only to make yourself available and to have women accessible to you. Because the apps are mobile, you can take it with you to any of the bars or strolling walking street. It is very convenient. The main negative is obvious bait and switch at which point give up 100 baht to send them the other direction. Time wasted, sure, but more good than bad can come of it.

With regards to Tinder, too many LBs on there, but they (usually) state as such in their profile. There's a lot to be filtered out and a bit less reliable. With that said, its cost is small in the general scheme of things. Glad to read about your success story. Said it before, but the scene is moving out of the bars and more on the streets than ever and on apps.

TCupid has been most successful in my experience. Lots of fish in the sea, so to speak. Still use the other sites if only to at least have access.[/QUOTE]Tinder is a gold mine for me. But not for working girls! I just stick to regular girls on there and how much effort I put into meeting them is totally up to me. The longest it's taken me to fuck a girl on there is two meetings and she became a gik immediately after so it was worth it. I advise any decent looking guy living here with a job to get tinder, if not you're just passing on untold amounts of pussy (and/or ass).

[QUOTE=IMembr;2285101]Subscriptions to Tinder and the dating sites are worth it if only to make yourself available and to have women accessible to you. Because the apps are mobile, you can take it with you to any of the bars or strolling walking street. It is very convenient. The main negative is obvious bait and switch at which point give up 100 baht to send them the other direction. Time wasted, sure, but more good than bad can come of it.

With regards to Tinder, too many LBs on there, but they (usually) state as such in their profile. There's a lot to be filtered out and a bit less reliable. With that said, its cost is small in the general scheme of things. Glad to read about your success story. Said it before, but the scene is moving out of the bars and more on the streets than ever and on apps.

TCupid has been most successful in my experience. Lots of fish in the sea, so to speak. Still use the other sites if only to at least have access.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is the way I would use my subscription as well. Something to check out while I'm out, perhaps better to meet someone at a nearby bar or shop for the purposes of screening rather than set up a formal meeting at my apartment first. Easier to thank them for their interest and move on. However, I have noticed a lot of the Ladyboys don't identify themselves. Maybe they would if we shifted to Line. But I am very comfortable about left swiping (rejecting) the ones that look enough like Ladyboys to warrant it.

While still on the subject, I should clear up something about what I said in my earlier report since I have gotten a PM asking about it. Regarding my "About (me)" profile write up, when I said, "I was even able to fit into the limited amount of characters allowed to mention that a girl having a shaved pussy is my preference," I should have pointed out in my report here that I did not use the word "pussy" in that write up. I only used it here out of habit. In my profile I merely said something general like "being shaved is a plus", nothing more graphic than that. I have no idea what the graphic description limitations are on Tinder. Maybe none at all. But I was just being honest and matter of fact about what I put in my profile, not anything like engaging in "dirty talk". I did not use words like "penis/dick/cock", "vagina/pussy/ass", "cum/jizz" and so on. I tried to keep it non P4P girl-friendly, so to speak. I think a girl would have to be extremely prudish to complain or report what I wrote. Of course, it is always possible I suppose, especially when we factor in translation issues.

Interesting that ThaiCupid is working best for you now. For me, that is the one that triggered my curiosity in trying Tinder again. Seems like I have only been inspiring Interest from ladies much older than my stated and filtered age range on that app and very, very few from the ones I would want to have sex with. And the ones I would want to have sex with are way the hell out in the other provinces. Which can often mean they aren't the least bit into actually having sex with me for love or money, just interested in wasting my time on other pursuits. ThaiFriendly was also getting to be that way for me. However, these things do occur in waves and I assume it is just a temporary trend. My Tinder experience last night was much better than any of the new experiences I've had from either of those other sites in the past 2-3 weeks.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2284996]Interesting thanks for the detail. Were you looking for free hookups? I'd say you did pretty good.[/QUOTE]When I first started using it I was only looking for a girlfriend, and as I met more and more girls it progressed to free hookups as well as paid-for sessions.

Yes, I had the same experience with Thai Cupid. I received multiple responses from older woman outside of my age requirements and most of them were from northern provinces. Very few in fact in Bangkok. I am only here for another month so once my tinder expires in the next few weeks, I am not going to renew my plan. TF has proven to me to be a complete bust. At least with Tinder I get some matches, though cutting through the LB's has proven to be problematic.

On that subject, there appears to be an explosive profusion of LB's almost reaching epidemic proportions since my last stay in Bangkok in the winter of 2016. I notice them everywhere. Wandering up and down my Soi at night, on the BTS, in the mall etc. Yesterday, a friend of mine and I were eyeing a girl at a food kiosk when the Thai woman with us said 'oh, that is an LB'. Oops! It can be that hard to tell at times.

On GG's, I find that if you cut to the chase and ask them what they are looking for on Tinder, it expedites the entire process. At least, the one American girl I had been conversing with asked me that question and we got right down to price after that. I am currently conversing with a cute 20 year old Thai who admits to be freelancing. Last night, I was not near my apartment but will prob attempt contact tonight.

On lbs, you're right, sometimes it's so hard to recognize them.

That's why I never tried Freelancer so far, though they're standing right outside my soi, just don't want to take chance seeing matching balls.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2285185]Yes, I had the same experience with Thai Cupid. I received multiple responses from older woman outside of my age requirements and most of them were from northern provinces. Very few in fact in Bangkok. I am only here for another month so once my tinder expires in the next few weeks, I am not going to renew my plan. TF has proven to me to be a complete bust. At least with Tinder I get some matches, though cutting through the LB's has proven to be problematic.

On that subject, there appears to be an explosive profusion of LB's almost reaching epidemic proportions since my last stay in Bangkok in the winter of 2016. I notice them everywhere. Wandering up and down my Soi at night, on the BTS, in the mall etc. Yesterday, a friend of mine and I were eyeing a girl at a food kiosk when the Thai woman with us said 'oh, that is an LB'. Oops! It can be that hard to tell at times.

On GG's, I find that if you cut to the chase and ask them what they are looking for on Tinder, it expedites the entire process. At least, the one American girl I had been conversing with asked me that question and we got right down to price after that. I am currently conversing with a cute 20 year old Thai who admits to be freelancing. Last night, I was not near my apartment but will prob attempt contact tonight.[/QUOTE]

Friday: arrive Bangkok, Admiral Suites 3 nights.

My first trip to Bangkok was about 2 years ago in September.

The Admiral Suites on soi 22 was Basically what I expected. 50 USD includes breakfast. It's a 3-star Hotel. Helpful staff. I had a room facing the empty lot, was not as noisy as I expected. Rooms are very large, plenty of room to move around, king size bed, refrigerator, balcony. I got there at 0900, too early to check in. Had breakfast.

Went and got a real massage at Araya massage. Very good hour and a half. Ate lunch. Came back and checked in. Fell asleep for 5 hours.

Walked over to the Bunny massage at 730 pm. Got a nice session for 2500. Use the room with the jacuzzi. Good-sized room, with a jacuzzi plenty of room to move around. Could have been 2300 without the jacuzzi. Leta. Amazing ass. Very petite 24 years old, I would do her again. No come in mouth. They lined up about 15 women, looks like several places in this alley are tied together. Found out the next day the price could have been 2,000.

Went out and had some beers, had a bite to eat.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2285148]Interesting that ThaiCupid is working best for you now. For me, that is the one that triggered my curiosity in trying Tinder again. Seems like I have only been inspiring Interest from ladies much older than my stated and filtered age range on that app and very, very few from the ones I would want to have sex with. And the ones I would want to have sex with are way the hell out in the other provinces. Which can often mean they aren't the least bit into actually having sex with me for love or money, just interested in wasting my time on other pursuits. ThaiFriendly was also getting to be that way for me. However, these things do occur in waves and I assume it is just a temporary trend. My Tinder experience last night was much better than any of the new experiences I've had from either of those other sites in the past 2-3 weeks.[/QUOTE]It may just be recency bias on both our parts. TC, TF, and Tinder are all viable options. It seems TC has a bigger pool that will allow for more connections. The quality of the connection is up for debate. But it can be agreed on to use all the outlets you can because ultimately dating apps are not real huge time sinks. You can flip through your phone and send a canned greeting to a number of women and reply with another canned response to know what to expect. On a side note, you do have very specific needs.

Oddly enough, the best for the weekend was from TF and walking down Sukhumvit. For the later, it was more the matter of wanting to stay inside with a / see but turned out fantastic. Sometimes luck plays a part in this.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2285185]On that subject, there appears to be an explosive profusion of LB's almost reaching epidemic proportions since my last stay in Bangkok in the winter of 2016. I notice them everywhere. Wandering up and down my Soi at night, on the BTS, in the mall etc. Yesterday, a friend of mine and I were eyeing a girl at a food kiosk when the Thai woman with us said 'oh, that is an LB'. Oops! It can be that hard to tell at times.[/QUOTE]Too many LBs indeed. They are opening another LB gogo at Soi Cowboy which is a sign of things to come. LBs wouldn't be an issue except some can be aggressive in approaching when all you want to do is take a stroll for an actual woman.

Just ask? I always do. Lbs are usually quite proud of the fact they are (otherwise they wouldn't have done it, right?) and in my experience always tell the truth. If you're worried about annoying the girl in question by asking, you're asking in the wrong way. There's a few different ways to approach it lightheartedly and over the years I've only seriously annoyed one girl which ended up in me not sealing the deal as a result. Plus she wasn't a wg. If they are a wg they will a) be totally used to the question and b) should just answer as part of the job anyway to close a customer and get on with it.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2285306]On lbs, you're right, sometimes it's so hard to recognize them.

That's why I never tried Freelancer so far, though they're standing right outside my soi, just don't want to take chance seeing matching balls.[/QUOTE]

I have always stopped in to CH when I'm here and was never impressed. But now the girls are all 8 and 9's. Very impressive. They were being scooped up by the Japanese boys quickly.

I also like the painted dancers act. One girl, Apple was fantastic. She has snake glow in the dark paint and her short hair, punk style is great. I sat at the dance floor. And put money in front of me and she put her sweet pushy in my face.

Also they have a balloon dart show, ala Pat Pong style. This is a cheap act and should not be allowed but they are trying to attract the Asian guys who have not seen this before.

Everything changes and Cowboy coyotes just sit and looked bored. I'm off to Phuket and I hope it's not as crowed as Bkkis. Never come to Bkk during Chinese New Year. They are like ants everywhere.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2285717]I have always stopped in to CH when I'm here and was never impressed. But now the girls are all 8 and 9's. Very impressive. .[/QUOTE]But did they ask you to buy a fire cracker or pre pay for a drink before you entered?

Can anyone recommend a moderately upscale restaurant (preferrably Thai) for a dinner date? I'm going to be in BKK for the first time in a few weeks and I'm hoping to set up a dinner date or two with some independents I've been chatting with on Smooci. Something quiet, intimate, but not too crazy expensive would be great. I'll be staying at the Westin Grande, so somewhere not too far from there would also be preferred.

Many thanks in advance, and I'll be sure to post trip reports!

I have never eaten there but a restaurant up the street from me on Soi 8 gets good reviews. The name is Prai Raya. The sign says Phuket food whatever that means. It's in a newly constructed building, which opened three winters ago. I think it's popular with Thais.

For what's its worth, I don't think taking an escort from Smooci or anyone other escort service is worth the time and expense.

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;2285911]Can anyone recommend a moderately upscale restaurant (preferrably Thai) for a dinner date? I'm going to be in BKK for the first time in a few weeks and I'm hoping to set up a dinner date or two with some independents I've been chatting with on Smooci. Something quiet, intimate, but not too crazy expensive would be great. I'll be staying at the Westin Grande, so somewhere not too far from there would also be preferred.

Many thanks in advance, and I'll be sure to post trip reports![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2285932]I have never eaten there but a restaurant up the street from me on Soi 8 gets good reviews. The name is Prai Raya. The sign says Phuket food whatever that means. It's in a newly constructed building, which opened three winters ago. I think it's popular with Thais.

For what's its worth, I don't think taking an escort from Smooci or anyone other escort service is worth the time and expense.[/QUOTE]Thanks, and you're probably right about it not being worth it. Not sure I'll go that route; maybe just meet for a drink in the hotel bar instead. We'll see. I do enjoy a little bit of "out of the sack" time to get warmed up, but I guess that really depends on the girl and if she's into it.

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;2285911]Can anyone recommend a moderately upscale restaurant (preferrably Thai) for a dinner date? I'm going to be in BKK for the first time in a few weeks and I'm hoping to set up a dinner date or two with some independents I've been chatting with on Smooci. Something quiet, intimate, but not too crazy expensive would be great. I'll be staying at the Westin Grande, so somewhere not too far from there would also be preferred.

Many thanks in advance, and I'll be sure to post trip reports![/QUOTE]How about Cabbages & Condoms on Soi 12. Good food. Nice atmosphere. And, lots to talk about.

SW4.

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;2285943]Thanks, and you're probably right about it not being worth it. Not sure I'll go that route; maybe just meet for a drink in the hotel bar instead. We'll see. I do enjoy a little bit of "out of the sack" time to get warmed up, but I guess that really depends on the girl and if she's into it.[/QUOTE]If there's an upscale place in BKK that you really want to eat at, it's worth taking a woman out. But never any gains otherwise. Getting some drinks and snack at the local bars would do just as good if not better because now you can build chemistry or cut bait.

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;2286002]How about Cabbages & Condoms on Soi 12. Good food. Nice atmosphere. And, lots to talk about.

SW4.[/QUOTE]Excellent choice.

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;2285911]Can anyone recommend a moderately upscale restaurant (preferrably Thai) for a dinner date? I'm going to be in BKK for the first time in a few weeks and I'm hoping to set up a dinner date or two with some independents I've been chatting with on Smooci. Something quiet, intimate, but not too crazy expensive would be great. I'll be staying at the Westin Grande, so somewhere not too far from there would also be preferred.

Many thanks in advance, and I'll be sure to post trip reports![/QUOTE]Also on Soi 8 is Kinnaree, not to be confused with the restaurant of the same name on the other side of Sukhumvit on Soi 11. The one on Soi 8 is moderately upscale, quiet, much nicer. You walk down a short driveway next to Det-5 restaurant.

I find Prai Raya to be quite loud and difficult to chat in. Unless you sit outside. With all the hard surfaces in the restaurant, hard floors, hard wood tables, mostly bare walls and their strange choice of tables where you sit rather far from your date (presumably to accommodate several platters of food), I find the place really loud with everyone raising their voice to be heard, echos all around and so on. Seriously, when the place is full you can barely hear what the person sitting across from you at a simple table for 2 is saying.

Attractive Thai restaurant though.

Beware, at Cabbages and Condoms there is a big banner near the entrance to the main dining room of stick figures illustrating the Dos and Don't's of various sexual activities for the sake of "safety" based on outdated, scientifically dubious notions of yesteryear. Like, for example, a BBBJ+CIM and DATY is ok but don't you or your date dare swallow what comes out as a result.

Personally, I would never take a date, paid or free, to that restaurant.

Three memorable days in Bangkok, after a gap of nearly 5 years. Bangkok is no longer cheap. Short time take away from Nana Plaza was 1000 + 3000 = 4,000 Baht. Plenty of doable young pretty slim girls in Butterfly. Service was pretty good too from Kik (402) and Om (235).

Kiss at Doki Doki was worth visiting twice. They show the line up, if requested.

Excellent regular massage at Asia Herb, close to Nana Plaza.

Excellent diner at Prai Raya.

Would love to get back soon.

[QUOTE=LionKing777;2286039]Short time take away from Nana Plaza was 1000 + 3000 = 4,000 Baht. .[/QUOTE]Not necessarily. Depends on you, her, and your ability to negotiate.

I often get short time at Nana Plaza for bar fine + 1500.

YMMV.

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;2285911]Can anyone recommend a moderately upscale restaurant (preferrably Thai) for a dinner date? I'm going to be in BKK for the first time in a few weeks and I'm hoping to set up a dinner date or two with some independents I've been chatting with on Smooci. Something quiet, intimate, but not too crazy expensive would be great. I'll be staying at the Westin Grande, so somewhere not too far from there would also be preferred.

Many thanks in advance, and I'll be sure to post trip reports![/QUOTE]The Local on soi 23 is really amazing.

Eihtooms mentioned that he has tried screening girls he meets through tinder and other dating sites at a local bar rather than have that first potentially awkward meeting in your hotel lobby or apartment foyer. I thought that seemed a reasonably good idea so when I finally did make a connection in Tinder, I exchanged several correspondences with the girl about price, meeting location, and what I expected from our date. Once we sorted out the details, I asked her to meet me at a local dive bar at the beginning of my Soi and noted that it was just a short few minute walk to my apartment from there.

She quickly questioned 'why we need to meet at bar'. This set off a few red lights for me and I promptly cancelled our 'date'. In her photos she appeared reasonably attractive and cute but no beauty queen either. But as a blog site noted about escort services in Bangkok, your not generally going to find a playboy model willing to go to a strangers apartment at x o'clock in the early morning hours. I actually thought that I saved myself some trouble by cancelling then and there. If she won't meet at a neutral location, it suggests that she does not resemble her photos or, even worse, that by meeting somewhere other than your accommodations it cuts into her valuable work time (I. E. It's prob going to be a rush job).

Or she didn't like the offer of a dive bar as sufficiently neutral. I'the offer a coffee shop or something similarly bland.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2286192]Eihtooms mentioned that he has tried screening girls he meets through tinder and other dating sites at a local bar rather than have that first potentially awkward meeting in your hotel lobby or apartment foyer. I thought that seemed a reasonably good idea so when I finally did make a connection in Tinder, I exchanged several correspondences with the girl about price, meeting location, and what I expected from our date. Once we sorted out the details, I asked her to meet me at a local dive bar at the beginning of my Soi and noted that it was just a short few minute walk to my apartment from there.

She quickly questioned 'why we need to meet at bar'. This set off a few red lights for me and I promptly cancelled our 'date'. In her photos she appeared reasonably attractive and cute but no beauty queen either. But as a blog site noted about escort services in Bangkok, your not generally going to find a playboy model willing to go to a strangers apartment at x o'clock in the early morning hours. I actually thought that I saved myself some trouble by cancelling then and there. If she won't meet at a neutral location, it suggests that she does not resemble her photos or, even worse, that by meeting somewhere other than your accommodations it cuts into her valuable work time (I. E. It's prob going to be a rush job).[/QUOTE]

I did not tell her it was a dive bar. It is just an open bar with outdoor tables facing the Soi and some seating inside. In fact, I think that I have spotted a few escorts types in this bar either before or after the deed. I doubt she was familiar with the bar in any event. There are other restaurant with bars nearby but a bit more upscale and sometimes tough to find a seat. I really think if I said to meet at a coffee place, her reaction would have been even worse.

[QUOTE=Chacal60;2286196]Or she didn't like the offer of a dive bar as sufficiently neutral. I'the offer a coffee shop or something similarly bland.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;2285911]Can anyone recommend a moderately upscale restaurant (preferrably Thai) for a dinner date? I'm going to be in BKK for the first time in a few weeks and I'm hoping to set up a dinner date or two with some independents I've been chatting with on Smooci. Something quiet, intimate, but not too crazy expensive would be great. I'll be staying at the Westin Grande, so somewhere not too far from there would also be preferred.

Many thanks in advance, and I'll be sure to post trip reports![/QUOTE]I really like Cabbages and Condoms but the motif may not be appropriate for an upscale dinner. I would recommend Long Table. It is very close to Sukhomvit and Asok (a couple blocks down Asok from Suk). It have very nice food, a great view and is definitely upscale. It is the kind of place I would take a person that is good at conversation and would be comfortable in an upscale place since it is pretty open and not private booths.

Depending on the dates preferences there is a nice Brazillian steak house (with an all you can eat option) around Soi 27 or 29, right on the corner of the soi and Sukhomvit. It is a nice place but you have to love meat to get the most out of it.

Interesting back and forth recently about social media for hook ups. I've been using several apps for a few weeks to test the waters. Namely Tagged, wechat, line, zalo, tinder. Degrees of interest. Tagged and tinder being free to message and take things from there, also wechat on the vicinity search (which I used in BKK before for a FL). I registered on Thai Cupid out of curiosity from its mention here in earlier threads. I got lots of interest and messages (some LBs included). The problem with this app being you can't read messages with paying a sub. I could be tempted if the hit rate were to be higher than the other free methods.

[QUOTE=PassinThrough;2286208]I really like Cabbages and Condoms but the motif may not be appropriate for an upscale dinner. I would recommend Long Table. It is very close to Sukhomvit and Asok (a couple blocks down Asok from Suk). It have very nice food, a great view and is definitely upscale. It is the kind of place I would take a person that is good at conversation and would be comfortable in an upscale place since it is pretty open and not private booths.

Depending on the dates preferences there is a nice Brazillian steak house (with an all you can eat option) around Soi 27 or 29, right on the corner of the soi and Sukhomvit. It is a nice place but you have to love meat to get the most out of it.[/QUOTE]I can confirm that there is an Churrascaria called Fogo Asia Churrascaria and steakhouse between Soi 29 and 31, can't miss it you will see it from Sukhumvit. Good hunting!

Chico.

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;2285911]Can anyone recommend a moderately upscale restaurant (preferrably Thai) for a dinner date? I'm going to be in BKK for the first time in a few weeks and I'm hoping to set up a dinner date or two with some independents I've been chatting with on Smooci. Something quiet, intimate, but not too crazy expensive would be great. I'll be staying at the Westin Grande, so somewhere not too far from there would also be preferred.

Many thanks in advance, and I'll be sure to post trip reports![/QUOTE]With every good review you have the negative review. And mine is the negative review. The other half (Thai) and I went there last year. Not busy. But the service was terrible and the food was worse. This is not just the farangs' opinion but the other half felt the same. She was the one that spoke up to the manager as we left. Maybe an off day? But off day enough that we would not be going back.

[QUOTE=ChicoBarca;2286424]I can confirm that there is an Churrascaria called Fogo Asia Churrascaria and steakhouse between Soi 29 and 31, can't miss it you will see it from Sukhumvit. Good hunting!

Chico.[/QUOTE]Quite tasty too. I go there when my Thai food meter has hit 150% of capacity.

[QUOTE=Jgm005;2286548]With every good review you have the negative review. And mine is the negative review. The other half (Thai) and I went there last year. Not busy. But the service was terrible and the food was worse. This is not just the farangs' opinion but the other half felt the same. She was the one that spoke up to the manager as we left. Maybe an off day? But off day enough that we would not be going back.[/QUOTE]I guess it is hit and miss, I have has some great meals there and some that I would only rate a good. I tend to try different things each time I go so I just attribute it to not enjoying one dish as much as another.

Another suggestion is taking her out for tea at one of the places that serve High Tea (Scones, mini sandwiches, petits fours, etc.). It should not be as expensive as dinner, it is a nice thing to do and relaxing. I know there is a place in the Emporium Mall on Sukhomvit but I am sure there are many other places that serves High Tea as well.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2286162]The Local on soi 23 is really amazing.[/QUOTE]55 Pojana right after the Thonglor intersection on the north side of Sukhumvit is very good for Thai Chinese. For Isaan, Baan Som Tam at Ekkamai is good as is Jay Goi at Ratchatewi. Truthfully I find very little Thai food to my liking in the lower Sukhumvit area. The exception is Gedhawa on Soi 35 which has excellent northern food and The Local on Soi 23 that I mentioned before. Lower Suk us amazing for Middle Eastern food. Arabesque on Soi 2 is the latest find. A very extensive menu that is slanted towards Egyptian dishes, some you won't see on any other manu.

Hi gents,

This is my first post and report as I haven't had much to post previously. I've been more of a board reader, picking up tips and info that suited my needs, so thank you all for sharing.

About me, I'm mid thirties, born in Africa and of Indian descent, don't drink alcohol or club much anymore, so my options in Thailand were limited, especially on a solo mission.

My strategy for picking up girls was slightly different than the usual methods. I did use TF to chat up girls before I arrived in BKK. Some were months of chatting, others a few days, so I had plan before arriving.

Kapoo clubs also got me intrigued, as I like my ladies young (18-25), slim, fair skinned and of course beautiful. I did use some other online platforms to meet freelancers which I will share during my reports.

Spent 2 weeks in BKK, broken up with a week in Pattaya.

Day 1 Tuesday 22/1.

Arrived at Suvarnabhumi around 7 pm after 18 hours of flying and stopovers. I was pretty beat, but I had prearranged for a young 21 year old honey from TF to meet me at Asok Bts at around 9 pm.

I had booked a fantastic apartment across the road from Soi Cowboy via airbnb, so I hurried over to prepare, organise my sim card, WiFi etc. Finally settled in, and checked my Line messages to see where she was.

Nothing. No replies just unread messages. Our last discussion was at Dubai airport some 8 hours prior when all was agreed and she seemed really keen. Sent her a few more messages, with no response.

Figured it's cool, there's lots more options, so started messaging my other Line contacts, checking the wechat nearby options, and still no takers for the night.

I then remembered Zalo app being mentioned a lot on ISG, so installed and started it up. Messaged a few nearby candidates, and finally got a response from 2. So discussed the price, time etc, and the 1 said she's close by about 10 minutes away. I also made it a point to find out if she's a real woman or LB, 100% woman was the answer. So we agreed, and I waited. Half an hour later, nothing. Kept messaging her, asked for her location which she provided and she kept reassuring me that she'll pitch. 2 hours later at nearly 12 am it appears at the front of my building. Go down to check her out and wtf do I see, a very passable lady but LB nonetheless. FUCK! She assured me she was 100% woman in her subtly husky voice and asked me to feel her crotch. I declined but asked to see her hands instead. Noticing her ring finger was longer than her index finger, the same as mine and most men, I politely told her to fuck off. She started bitching and moaning, so I finally gave her 500 bht for her taxi, and told the security to make sure she doesn't enter the building.

Fuck, what a shit start to my trip. Headed back to the apartment, and not wanting to hit a gogo bar, decided to check out Smooci, browsed through the limited options and came across a decent looking girl in Danil. Booked her for 2 hours and waited. Around 2 am she arrives. Petite girl, warm smile, late twenties but pleasant looking girl. Welcomed her in and started chatting. She's actually a very nice person, really friendly. I asked about her massage skills and she gave me a decent 30 minute massage, all the while chatting, laughing and joking. We took a quick shower and headed back to bed. Lots of kissing and fondling on her smallish natural tits, she's got no tattoos and no baby scarring so that was awesome. As I headed further south it was finally revealed. She had an amazingly tiny pussy. I was blown away. Tiny lips on a clean shaven pussy with a tiny little clit. I was in awe. Her entire pussy from the top of her clit to the bottom of her vaginal entrance was about 4 cm! Wow. I dived in for about 30 minutes and thoroughly enjoyed DATY. She gave pretty good head and we fucked for about 20 minutes. She was a really nice chick, so I didn't fuck her hard, it was more of a lovemaking scenario as I was tired and just needed to bust a nut to welcome myself to sin city. We were done just before the call from Smooci to her. She gave me her Line ID, I gave her a tip and she left. She's a very sincere girl and a great person, she still messages me to this day, even though I only saw her once and she knows I'm back in my country. I think she's with pink Bangkok escorts if you guys are interested, 3750 for 2 hours via smooci. WIR. Hell yeah. The (her real name) was the perfect remedy to the depressing start of my trip.

Attached are a few pics from her Line profile.

I'm not sure if this is allowed or not, but being the sneaky bastard that I am, I did setup my phone to take some action shots during my exploits. A simple and cheap bluetooth remote was used initially, until I realized I could use voice commands like 'smile' or 'shoot' directly with my Android phone.

If these shots aren't allowed, please let me know and I'll refrain from posting.

Day 2.

After a decent rest I awoke in time for lunch. Checked my messages and the timing was perfect as my 19 year old TF contact had just finished work at the coffee shop. We had been chatting for a few weeks and she was eager to meet especially since I had promised to bring her a squonker vape device. Met at Terminal 21 and we got on instantly, she was the typical energetic teen with lots of excitement, laughter and a zest for life. We got something to eat and chatted about her ambitions and aspirations. She's a very smart girl, speaks good enough English, still studying and working part time at the coffee shop. Spoke about her daughter who's just under a year old and lives with her mum. Now I must point out that from all the women I met, she was the only 1 that never asked me for money at any point. She's very self sufficient and is actually working at the coffee shop to learn as much as she can, so she can open up her own boutique coffee shop.

After the meal we headed back to my apartment and I presented her with the vape device gift. She was thrilled. We spent some time chatting and vaping together and finally ended up on the bed. She was a tad hesitant at first stating that we couldn't fuck on the first date, but I countered with the fact that we'd been chatting and video calling for a while, so it's not like we were strangers. That seemed to work as she opted to take a shower. Soon enough we were all over each other, clothes off, licking and kissing, BJ, DATY and a solid hour of afternoon sex. Her recent boobjob looked and felt wonderful, not too big, no scars, just perky and pointy. Her 1 tit was noticeably bigger than the other and she said it's because the baby preferred the 1 side only. The rest of her body was great, teen tight, no baby scarring, a tiny tattoo on her wrist and very leggy as she's quite tall. She rides like a champ and was able to get off a couple of times in that position. After multiple positions, I finally came on her belly as she declined a CIM. I'm sure I could've smashed her bareback, but I'm all for safe sex so didn't even ask.

Was a great few hours, and we agreed to meetup again during the week. She was definitely on my '2 do again' list but this never panned out. My mission was to fuck as many different woman of my taste as I could, not fuck the same chick twice, unless she was really special or I had no other options left.

Attached are some of her pics and our time together.

Personally, I don't think it's cool to take photos of a girl whilst having sex or showing face pics of girl without her approval. I get the impression neither circumstance was granted. How would you feel if someone took pics of you? I am sure the escort service you used also takes a dim view of this activity.

[QUOTE=Siamsin;2286767]Hi gents,

This is my first post and report as I haven't had much to post previously. I've been more of a board reader, picking up tips and info that suited my needs, so thank you all for sharing.

About me, I'm mid thirties, born in Africa and of Indian descent, don't drink alcohol or club much anymore, so my options in Thailand were limited, especially on a solo mission.

My strategy for picking up girls was slightly different than the usual methods. I did use TF to chat up girls before I arrived in BKK. Some were months of chatting, others a few days, so I had plan before arriving.

Kapoo clubs also got me intrigued, as I like my ladies young (18-25), slim, fair skinned and of course beautiful. I did use some other online platforms to meet freelancers which I will share during my reports.

Spent 2 weeks in BKK, broken up with a week in Pattaya.

Day 1 Tuesday 22/1.

Arrived at Suvarnabhumi around 7 pm after 18 hours of flying and stopovers. I was pretty beat, but I had prearranged for a young 21 year old honey from TF to meet me at Asok Bts at around 9 pm.

I had booked a fantastic apartment across the road from Soi Cowboy via airbnb, so I hurried over to prepare, organise my sim card, WiFi etc. Finally settled in, and checked my Line messages to see where she was.

Nothing. No replies just unread messages. Our last discussion was at Dubai airport some 8 hours prior when all was agreed and she seemed really keen. Sent her a few more messages, with no response.

Figured it's cool, there's lots more options, so started messaging my other Line contacts, checking the wechat nearby options, and still no takers for the night.

I then remembered Zalo app being mentioned a lot on ISG, so installed and started it up. Messaged a few nearby candidates, and finally got a response from 2. So discussed the price, time etc, and the 1 said she's close by about 10 minutes away. I also made it a point to find out if she's a real woman or LB, 100% woman was the answer. So we agreed, and I waited. Half an hour later, nothing. Kept messaging her, asked for her location which she provided and she kept reassuring me that she'll pitch. 2 hours later at nearly 12 am it appears at the front of my building. Go down to check her out and wtf do I see, a very passable lady but LB nonetheless. FUCK! She assured me she was 100% woman in her subtly husky voice and asked me to feel her crotch. I declined but asked to see her hands instead. Noticing her ring finger was longer than her index finger, the same as mine and most men, I politely told her to fuck off. She started bitching and moaning, so I finally gave her 500 bht for her taxi, and told the security to make sure she doesn't enter the building.

Fuck, what a shit start to my trip. Headed back to the apartment, and not wanting to hit a gogo bar, decided to check out Smooci, browsed through the limited options and came across a decent looking girl in Danil. Booked her for 2 hours and waited. Around 2 am she arrives. Petite girl, warm smile, late twenties but pleasant looking girl. Welcomed her in and started chatting. She's actually a very nice person, really friendly. I asked about her massage skills and she gave me a decent 30 minute massage, all the while chatting, laughing and joking. We took a quick shower and headed back to bed. Lots of kissing and fondling on her smallish natural tits, she's got no tattoos and no baby scarring so that was awesome. As I headed further south it was finally revealed. She had an amazingly tiny pussy. I was blown away. Tiny lips on a clean shaven pussy with a tiny little clit. I was in awe. Her entire pussy from the top of her clit to the bottom of her vaginal entrance was about 4 cm! Wow. I dived in for about 30 minutes and thoroughly enjoyed DATY. She gave pretty good head and we fucked for about 20 minutes. She was a really nice chick, so I didn't fuck her hard, it was more of a lovemaking scenario as I was tired and just needed to bust a nut to welcome myself to sin city. We were done just before the call from Smooci to her. She gave me her Line ID, I gave her a tip and she left. She's a very sincere girl and a great person, she still messages me to this day, even though I only saw her once and she knows I'm back in my country. I think she's with pink Bangkok escorts if you guys are interested, 3750 for 2 hours via smooci. WIR. Hell yeah. The (her real name) was the perfect remedy to the depressing start of my trip.

Attached are a few pics from her Line profile.

I'm not sure if this is allowed or not, but being the sneaky bastard that I am, I did setup my phone to take some action shots during my exploits. A simple and cheap bluetooth remote was used initially, until I realized I could use voice commands like 'smile' or 'shoot' directly with my Android phone.

If these shots aren't allowed, please let me know and I'll refrain from posting.[/QUOTE]