Fortaleza

[QUOTE=Artful]Any suggestions for flights from Europe (ideally London) to Fortaleza? Is it best to just fly to Rio/SP and get internal flights from there, or are there more direct / economical ways? Searches on the online agencies tell me it's likely to cost 1500 EUR or so.[/QUOTE]1500 euro, forget it:

600 Euro is possible with
[url]www.arkefly.nl[/url]

Is from amsterdam, webside I think is in Dutch only.

I want to be as objective and only minimal of my personal opinion. Goal is I report the facts, you decide your own opinions.

Fortaleza, if you refer to the night scenes around Pr. Iracema area, is very quiet and low level. The night club are merely in patched up brick houses with lack of level sophistication (e.g. air conditioning, bath room, all patch up work). There may be a lot of girls if you got in during the "right time" however, the scene reminds me very much of the Tijuna scene. I took three trips on three different nights (just to make sure i did not miss out anything and offer my best impartial assessment). On all 3 nights, I did not see the quality of the girls dramatically different one night or the other. On "average", I would say the girls around the Iracema area to be similar to the HELP type. However, give them credit, they do have a better sense of humor than the HELP girls. e.g. On many occasions when some of the girls propositioned to me, I waged my finger and gestured to them that they are not as pretty as a type I require, all of them just smiled and walked away.

Totally agree with the board members' assessment that girls in CE are short and tend to have a certain stocky (not fat but stocky) body shape. I prefer the long leg, at least 5'7" (no heel measurement), with a degree of bunda and ivory skin, dark eye type, which is rarer than rare here.

Weather wise, Fortaleza is more muggy than hot compared with Rio. If you intend to loose a few pounds, come. Also, Fortaleza is famous for its seafood however, at least in the Iracema area where the gringos congregate, almost all the restuarants' seafood quality is less than Rio's Copa area. In three days, five meals, I sampled all major seafood restaurants in this area. Since this is not meant to be a food report, I am not going to detail which restaurant I visited or what food I ordered. However, I did find the fish as old (not same day fresh as Rio) and the method of preparation and presentation crude. In one meal, I tasted the fish as at least 2 days old and asked to speak to the chef, he came out and I asked him how "old" were the fish he made for me, knowing that I know fish, he confessed that it was 2 days old. Although I was quite angry that a major fishery town served 2 day old fish to customer, I pardoned him as he was honest with me.

I think if you have only 1-2 wks vacation, definitely don't visit Fortaleza. You actually do yourself a favor by staying at Rio or SP as you have so much more fun without spending all the time and dollar. If however, you have more than 3 wks vacation and want to check out different scenes in Brasil, make Fortaleza as your "cultural awareness" tour.

[QUOTE=Johan]the scene reminds me very much of the Tijuna scene.[/QUOTE]Nice summary of Fortaleza; I actually think your description of the city is right on. The quote above was funny to me because the first time I walked into Zipi Bar, I thought I was in Adelita Bar instead! The resemblance between the two clubs was quite striking. But overall, I would have to say the scene in Fortaleza, as unimpressive as it may be, is still leaps and bounds above Tijuana; you really can't compare the two places that much. My worst screw in Forta was still better than my best screw in TJ!

And you're right about the food in Fortaleza as well, it really was disappointing. I think it's the only place I've been to in the world where I ate at more chain restaurants than local restaurants; I'm ashamed to admit it, but my favorite restaurant turned out, of all places, to be Habib's!

But overall, I think Fortaleza is a good "starting point" for guys who have never been to the NE before. For myself, it was good "practice" before heading north to São Luis, Belém, etc. I agree with you that, if you can, spend three or four weeks there, and then move on to neighboring cities/states.

[QUOTE=Cenoteguy]I will be arriving November 5 for four nights.

In addition to screwing hot, beautiful bubble butts I want to do some diving.[/quote]Sorry dude! You wont find many bubble butts in fortaleza. The women there look alot different than in Rio. You will find some big breast, flat asses and more out of shape women than you thought lived in brasil. Good thing is there personalities are still great! The atmosphere and set up is also great in Fortaleza.

Went to Fortaleza about two months ago, and you will not. I repeat WILL NOT see many "bubble butts." Me, I saw nothing but fat stomachs, and flat asses. Yeah, I know, a pretty horrible sight...and it was. Coming from Rio, I was pretty much in shock. Also, there's ot much variety. no black girls, and most of the girls have an indian look to them with a few loirdas here and there.

[QUOTE=Brotha]Went to Fortaleza about two months ago, and you will not. I repeat WILL NOT see many "bubble butts." Me, I saw nothing but fat stomachs, and flat asses. Yeah, I know, a pretty horrible sight...and it was. Coming from Rio, I was pretty much in shock. Also, there's ot much variety. no black girls, and most of the girls have an indian look to them with a few loirdas here and there.[/QUOTE]

I spent a few days in Forta in 2002. I was not impressed, though I had excellent sessions with one GDP. She was the type described by others here; short, plump/stocky, fair skinned. She did have a nice round butt, which the reason why I went wth her again. The majority of the other ladies I saw were not attractive to me.

I will not monger there again. I might go BYOP style (Bring Your Own Pussy) to spend time at Praia do Futuro.

I was been 3 times in Brasil, my personal ranking is:

1. Rio de Janeiro (absolutely the best)
2. Salvador de Bahia
3. Natal
4. Frotaleza

Just my 2 cents

"Short, plump, stocky, fat stomachs, flat asses, horrible sight and out of shape women." Sure, Fortaleza has it's (big) share of short cabeça quadrada's without necks. That bodyshape is quite common in some regions of the north-east.

Still there are plenty of beauties in Fortaleza, so why go for the unattractive girls? You can't judge a city just because you've seen a dozen of football-shaped-head-women. Me, I've never seen so many fat people as I saw when visiting the US. Because of this I don't categorize americans in general to be fatso's.

When I travel in Brazil I do this little game, when going on a bus or sitting down having a beer. I count 100 women in the age 18-35 passing by, counting the percentage of women which I think are doable. Fortaleza has a good percentage.

Anyway, each to their own. I'm just as happy if the Rio-mongers stay in Copa. Less gringos means better GP-market for me. I only have to share the Fortaleza GP's with thousands od Italians and Dutch tourists.

[QUOTE=Sperto]
Still there are plenty of beauties in Fortaleza, so why go for the unattractive girls? You can't judge a city just because you've seen a dozen of football-shaped-head-women. [/QUOTE]

Absolutely true! If someone spends his time just going to Zipi Bar, Europa Bar and Café do Mar, he will most probably miss the best looking girls. Just move a couple of meters further to Dragao do Mar, and you will see hundreds of beautiful young people hanging out on a Saturday night.

Also right: the girls around Iracema bars often do look similar and represent one type of girl (the one discribed as short, big belly, no waist etc), but there are absolutely beautiful women in Forta - they just seem not to go as GDPs and not to frequent this area.

More to share including pics when I will have more time!

Pyjama

Newbie here! Where are the beautiful garotas in Fortaleza? Termas, GDP, or at certain hang outs? What is the ratio during the middle of the week? Any hotels in good areas recommended that allow guests?

What is the risk for Herpies in Brazil...I read one in four is infected! You have this for life.

Has anyone used motels for their room for the night instead of getting a regular room? Sundays - Thursdays are usually 12 hour rates which is enough time for fun & sleep.

[quote]Where are the beautiful garotas in Fortaleza? Termas, GDP, or at certain hang outs? What is the ratio during the middle of the week? Any hotels in good areas recommended that allow guests?[/QUOTE]The best looking girls in fortaleza? Prive bellissima in rua vincente leite 2020 e choose one gem you like. Or arre egua bar in varjota district after 11 p. M. On Tuesday, armazem disco on wensday, or barraca croco beach after 9 p. M. On Thursday, discoteca mucuripe on Friday, or simply hanging out, best areas: barrio centro during day time and shopping iguatemi late evening. Better if you can speak a bit of portuguese, and even better rent a car rather than mova by taxi. And. B. Iracema bar and disco: be many ugly prostitutes, not easy but if you're lucky can find there some nice piece too and be aware, drinks inside are very expensive (girls always ask for red bull and whisky).

[QUOTE=BJfans]Or arre egua bar in varjota district after 11 p. M...[/QUOTE]
A good list. There is one place I havn't heard about, Arre Egua Bar. What kind of place is this?

[QUOTE=BJfans]... or simply hanging out, best areas: barrio centro during day time and shopping iguatemi late evening. [/QUOTE]

I have never been thinking on buying GDP's at Iguatemi. This is here I buy my rice and chicken and fill my frigde with beer. It must be my lack of fantasy. From now on; "vintequatro cervesa Antartica, e uma mulher muito linda, por favor..."

This said, the quantity of nice looking girls at Iguatemi is quite impressing.

Balluba

[QUOTE=Sperto]A good list. There is one place I havn't heard about, Arre Egua Bar. What kind of place is this?[/QUOTE]It's a bar with live music, the only good place open on tuesday. 80% of girls are simply normal but if you are in good shape and talk portugues you can meet them easily, other 20% are on the market. Your task is only to find them.

[QUOTE=Balluba]I have never been thinking on buying GDP's at Iguatemi. This is here I buy my rice and chicken and fill my frigde with beer. It must be my lack of fantasy. From now on; "vintequatro cervesa Antartica, e uma mulher muito linda, por favor..."

This said, the quantity of nice looking girls at Iguatemi is quite impressing.

Balluba[/QUOTE]They are not garotas de programa in Iguatemi, but you can try to meet them. It's not so difficult in Brazil!