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[QUOTE=Buzz04]Piper,

I have stayed at the Kras and had someone come and visit with me - nobody even blinked or took notice and there was no walk of shame.[/QUOTE]So what's the breakfast like at he Kras?

Piper its a pleasure man - actually I am also based in the Middle East and not that far away. I have always had these thoughts about Dubai.

Anyway the girls in Holland are a little more expensive then the $80. - you would spend in Dubai.

If you have the time and can make your way to a quaint town called Alkmaar
the RLD there is even more low key, lots of East European ladies, but that might have changed due to a clamp down on immigrations laws.Alkmaar is a 45 minute train ride from Amsterdam.

To get to the main RLD you exit the Kras main doors turn left and at the end of the block turn left again - its only a few streets away and very convenient in relation to the hotel. It is spread out though. Part of the RLD is at the back of the hotel. One word of warning is this particular RLD has gone down in value. I had some wild times here but there is better to be had. The experience though is not to be missed. If you have never seen the windows it will blow your mind away. Things really start cooking at night.

I will send you details of the Singel RLD I dont remember the street names but its about a 7 minute walk from the Kras.

As for brothels Vienna Massage is a keeper but there are others. I had the best experience from Women of the World Escort Agency, a lady by the name of Noa. Stunning Dutch student, classy, compliant and great company. That will run you close to $200.- if I am not mistaken and worth every cent.

If a window girl does strike your fancy you might beable to convince her to come back to the hotel but they don't really like to do that.

If you have the time for museums you might want to take in the Van Gogh although I think its in a gastly building.

If you have any more queries feel free, I have spent a fair amount of time in Holland and know the place quite well.

Buzz.

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Being a 5 star hotel the brekkie is one would expect to get in an establishment of this standard, excellent and high quality. Defintely not the few slices of ham and bread as is the case in less quality hotels.

What did blow my mind as I mentioned was the fact that one morning guests had to wait on line due to the hotel being fully booked out.When the Kras is full its crowded. The dining rooms can not quite accomodate a full breakfast sitting.

For those that like to eat breakfast out there are a ton of places that serve a mean bacon and eggs. One of the best in my eyes is a coffee shop called Barney's ( there are 2 ) where you can have a big fat joint, together with your pancakes, bacon, eggs and excellent Dutch coffee.

Cheers,

Buzz

Piper,

Here is a link to a map that I found on this site that should help you tremendously.

[url]http://maprldamsterdam.freewebpages.org/index.html[/url]

I would suggest that you buy a lonely planet map of Amsterdam as its detailed and will keep you from walking in circles or squircles for that matter.

As you negotiate up front in Dubai, be very sure to do the same and even more so with window girls in Holland, to be sure of exactly what bang you will get for your buck.

Buzz

Hi,

Is someone could say me where and when i can find sw, especialy the ones who only sucks. I go to AMS tomorow.

(long live to BBBJ :))

[QUOTE=Bdv1231]Hi,

Is someone could say me where and when i can find sw, especialy the ones who only sucks. I go to AMS tomorow.

(long live to BBBJ :))[/QUOTE]In these streets you may find streetwalkers, (late) in the evening and at night. To find the streets see my (updated) map at [url]http://maprldamsterdam.freewebpages.org/index.html[/url]

- "Lange Niezel", "Korte Niezel" and "Gelderse Kade" in the main RLD (mainly junkies).
- Anywhere else in the main RLD (mainly Nigerian).
- The bridge over the canal near the "Korte Korsjespoortsteeg" (K.K. Poortsteeg) in the Singel RLD (mainly East European).
- Anywhere else in the Singel RLD you might be lucky.
- Behind the Central Station. Walk to the left when you leave the station up until the tunnel under the railway (mainly junkies).

Don't expect lots of streetwalkers. And bare in mind that streetwalking ánd contacting streetwalkers is illegal. If you are caught by the (undercover) police it will cost you hundreds of Euro's!

For a BBBJ you can also go to a Thai lady in the main RLD. Most of them give this nice service :)

Great map Gizmo - includes the Kras, so I'm oriented before I even get there.

Thanks!

Piper

PS guys - what's the price range for a good SW? (not a junkie) or for a girl from a sex club? I prefer to take girls back to the Kras.

Some of the prices I've seen mentioned here are outrageous.

Due to a positive recommendation I wanted to try Vienna Massage (Rijnstraat 224) myself. It was absolutely fantastic! Here's what happened yesterday:

The hostess guided me to the room I would stay in which was decorated nicely and equipped with shower and bath (and a TV we did not use). Soon after 4 girls appeared. 2 seemed to be uninterested or tired. Luckily they were not my type. 2 girls looked very nice. My choice was the small blonde Alina.

I was presented a long menu to choose from. Standard is 45mins., I took 1h for 90Euros for the house plus 50Euros for the girl (BS, FS, forgot the third).

First a sensitive shower together, then a very nice oil massage followed by FS in various positions.

Nothing extraordinary you will say. Right you are BUT: Alina was extremely natural, nice, humorous, kind and put in highest efforts(!). GFE is offered at many places. But until now I always thought the fun and intimacy I had with Alina could only happen with my girlfriend.

To sum up: the best time I ever had in a place like this. Absolutely awesome, can't wait to come back (and am still dreaming which never happened before).

Unfortunately I can't say anything about the other girls except the looks.

If you are using public transport: Vienna Massage can easily be reached by Tram 25 (till President Kennedy-laan) from the main railway station.

Piper,

This is a word of advice for you and anyone else that wants to dabble with SW's in Amsterdam.

1stly there is such a huge choice,why would you want to do that ?

They are on the lowest rung of providers and its dangerous.There are plenty of lowlifeswalking the streets at the hour you would find SW,which also increases the mugging factor.Besides most are drug addicts and who the hell knows what bugs they have.

This is also something that the police take a very dim view of and you might find yourself being asked some very embarassing questions, if you are not asked to accompany them to the local station.

I would definitely avoid.

Just my POV.

Good advice Buzz, thanks. I'll avoid them. Sounds like my home city in the West. I'd almost forgotten, living in Dubai for years. Here, SW's are virtually all drug free. In fact, the very few junkies there are here, are more likely to be found in the nightclubs. An old fave of mine who had been clean for over a year when I met her is now serving time in the pen.

I'm considering bringing a girl with me (P4P or a discrete woman who wants a free holiday). I've had some interest both here and as far away as Indonesia. May be more trouble than it's worth - we'll see.

cheers

Piper

I will be in Amsterdam next week and would like to have a full service escort, does anyone have a recommendation?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Dellbey]I will be in Amsterdam next week and would like to have a full service escort, does anyone have a recommendation?[/QUOTE]

On a number of occasions I have used two escort agencies in NL: Elite Company ([url]http://www.elite-company.com/[/url]) and Women Of The World ([url]http://www.womenoftheworld.nl[/url]). Cost and quality from both is similar although I tend to prefer WotW in part because the management is more friendly; also, whilst I have had no bad experience with Elite others on Captain69 have. Expect to pay around €300 per hour for the first hour. Specific recommendations: Jane or Jenni from WotW, Robyn from EC.

There are other cheaper agencies in NL but my one experiment in this area was not very successful.

NL based ladies are expensive for longer meetings (€2000 or more for first day) so, if you are thinking of this, consider "importing" an escort from Eastern Europe (€1500-€2000 for two days, including airfare). There are loads of agencies but not all are reliable, most recently I used Prague Bunnies ([url]http://www.prague-bunnies.com/[/url]) but communications can sometimes be a bit slow. Specific recommendation: Bonnie from Prague Bunnies

If you are going to use an EE agency get some feedback on it.

Here is my understanding of it and I have been in Amserdam enough times to know (aproximitly 9 or 10 times). I have never been with a SW there before, but I would have tried them if i thought they were clean. I have heard some good things about some of them though. I also have heard that there are two areas where they can be found where there are legal, but I have not been there since its a realitly recent law there. I think its somewhere to the right of the redlight distict and to the right of the train station. I heard its away from the RLD because of compatition.

I guess you will have to do your reaserch on them. Maybe you can call the local consulte or embassy and they should be able to provide you that information.

Personaly I gave up on all the girls in the RLD for two reasons. First is the cost. Its crazy there now. I remember I use to pay 30 guilder on average when it was about 25 dollars. Now I understand its more like 50 Euro, which is average and the service is not any better. In fact I think it has gone downhill, from what I remember. Second, all the girls in the RLD only want you in and out as fast as possible, in other words a fuck factory. They see how fast they can get you in and how fast they can get you out. I think I would rather masterbate then have to pay and put up with such awfull
service.

For me I would rather take my chances on a SW. finding one, negeotion, talking with them, and checking out the goods is half the fun for me also.

Just my opinion

[QUOTE=Member #2001]Here is my understanding of it and I have been in Amserdam enough times to know (aproximitly 9 or 10 times). I have never been with a SW there before, but I would have tried them if i thought they were clean. I have heard some good things about some of them though. I also have heard that there are two areas where they can be found where there are legal, but I have not been there since its a realitly recent law there. I think its somewhere to the right of the redlight distict and to the right of the train station. I heard its away from the RLD because of compatition.

I guess you will have to do your reaserch on them. Maybe you can call the local consulte or embassy and they should be able to provide you that information.

Personaly I gave up on all the girls in the RLD for two reasons. First is the cost. Its crazy there now. I remember I use to pay 30 guilder on average when it was about 25 dollars. Now I understand its more like 50 Euro, which is average and the service is not any better. In fact I think it has gone downhill, from what I remember. Second, all the girls in the RLD only want you in and out as fast as possible, in other words a fuck factory. They see how fast they can get you in and how fast they can get you out. I think I would rather masterbate then have to pay and put up with such awfull
service.

For me I would rather take my chances on a SW. finding one, negeotion, talking with them, and checking out the goods is half the fun for me also.

Just my opinion[/QUOTE]There are NO legal areas for streetwalking in Amsterdam!There used to be one (Theemsweg) but it's closed some time ago.

Behind the central station it was tolerated, more or less, but not anymore.

As for the costs: 30 guilders... that was a long long time ago!

Before the euro (roughly) the standard was 50 guilders (around 23 euro) for fuck OR suck. You had to finish in approximately 7 or 8 minutes.

And it was 100 guilders (45 euro) for fuck AND suck. Finish in 15 minutes.

In the last few years before the euro those 100 guilders became more and more the standard. A lot of girls simply didn't open the door anymore for 50 guilders.
So today's 50 euro and finish in 15 minutes is not so much more expensive.