Zandaly previous policies
Zandaly has some of the better service of any of the casas I've been to and I like it because they have thinner girls generally. I don't think I've ever had an out and out bad experience there. But there is a dark side that helps explain why. I've talked a bunch with a few of the girls and it's always been policy that they are fined if they refuse a client. I had one girl show me bruises on her arm from a previous guy that she just said she sucked up and put up with. Another girl told me about a guy who would fuck her for an hour straight in missionary but with her legs up around her ankles. Point is they were encouraged to put up with most things by the casa. I've had some great experiences at Zandaly by treating the girls I am with with consideration and respect. I know I've made a couple cum. There are some girls there with great skills. One of my favorites there has been doing her kegels and really knows how to milk and squeeze you with her pussy in vaginal. It feels like she's trying yo suck you back in every out stroke. It's talked about less but pampoir (I. E. Vaginal massage) is a top tier learned sex skill for me up there with anal and deepthroat.
[QUOTE=Sandymnn;2935620]I went to Zandaly late last week to spend a bit of time with a favorite friend. She was returning from an "All Hands" meeting of the workers. Seems that the clients are getting pretty rough with the girls recently, and this is going to come to a halt. First, try to rough up a lady, you will get yourself thrown out. Second you will be banned in all the major venues. Finally, if you are really out of order, you might get to spend a night as a guest of the Alcalde of Medellin.
Just a word, I am sure that none of us are like this.
Sandy.[/QUOTE]
Any rooftop pools in Medellín with daypass?
What's up Medellin vets, anybody knows any spots for this? I know some hotels has rooftop pools, but most of them are only for guest staying in the hotel.
Ten days in Medellin. Trip Report
Alright, I just got back from Medellin and I wanted to give my thoughts and some advice for would-be travelers. This is going to be a long one, but I'm putting as much information as I can remember here. I was originally intending for my trip to be more focused on sampling various mongering options (facebook, centro, Lleras, etc.) but I found that it doesn't really make much sense. Most people have their preferred way of mongering and certain options are not feasible for shorter-term travelers. I don't like the online offering space in Medellin very much so I didn't use it this trip. There are highly reviewed escorts at good prices available but I prefer outcalls when traveling since I like longer date-like experiences so that leaves me with the facebook route which I didn't want to waste time with. Centro-diving is not feasible for a short-term traveler. Therefore, I decided to focus on Lleras and how to help mongers navigate that space, and hopefully, improve their experience. My last visit was in 2022 so I also wanted to see if things changed. Disclaimer, my sample size is only 10 women and maybe another 15 women I spoke to for a period of time but didn't pull the trigger on. So take all of my advice with a healthy dose of YMMV. Second disclaimer, I can understand Spanish fluently and speak at an intermediate level. This can totally change your experience, as I'll get into later.
[B]Location[/B]
I was staying in Energy Living because I like the hotel (even if it is a bit overpriced), some of the AirBnbs are fantastic, it's quiet-ish at night, it's girl-friendly, and it's still within walking distance of places like Poblado and Provenza so you can easily get to Lleras or the normie Colombian bars. I could go out to new places for a cheaper price, but I feel comfortable in this place so I find myself returning constantly. For those that haven't taken the plunge on this sort of trip, here is a bit of advice. Don't be embarrassed about bringing a working girl home. The guards and the receptionists aren't going to laugh. You'll see how normal the exchanges are with everyone and there is no need to try and slink around. Just walk up to the front desk, get your girl registered and enjoy the night. I always walk the ladies out at the end of the night to show the guards I'm okay but I think they may also call you before letting her leave (another plus). The walk to Lleras is super easy since it's about fifteen minutes downhill, while following Calle 10 so you don't have to make many turns. I did that every night I went down there. But on the way back, order an Uber because it's a major hike and your girl isn't going to want to do that.
[B]Solo Traveling[/B]
I don't have a friend group that partakes in this hobby so I do this stuff on my own. That means that I'm not going to waste much time shooting the shit when out and about. If I go to Lleras, Gusto, or even Centro, I don't really want to mill about doing nothing so I don't spend more than an hour before pulling the trigger. That can change your experience because if you have a group, you can just hit a bar or an outdoor sitting venue and relax for hours having fun, soaking in the environment and seeing the girls who are available, before making a choice. But honestly, you shouldn't need more than 10 minutes to make a choice if you're with friends or not. Scope out a girl you like, exchange pleasantries, tell her what you like, negotiate prices, and get home. It can be difficult to talk to one girl who is in a pack since you are just one guy, but you'll see that all of her friends will usually move aside and give you peace to close the deal with your chosen girl. If you're hitting on a pack of girls with your bros, the girls will generally stay since they are all trying to get a piece.
[B]Gringos[/B]
Sorry to say my American brothers, but as a group, we have a bit of a bad reputation. A lot of this comes from the fact that the party bros have really made us look bad. Finally living up the dream of MLK Jr, Black and white Americans have come together in the land of Eternal spring to be shitty patrons and loudmouth buffoons. We don't speak a lick of Spanish, we walk around paying in US dollars, and are over-drinking like local roughneck Colombians. Talking with the ladies, most of them first quoted me in dollars because most of the foreign guys they meet don't carry pesos and can't negotiate in Spanish. It's much easier for the girls to memorize "100 hundred" since it's easier for the guys to follow. So to my fellow mongers who were complaining about the girls being sharks for quoting in dollars, this may have been a problem of our own making. Honorable mention to Russians and Israelis who are also heavily disliked. Russians for over-drinking / violence and Israelis because of a supposed apartment complex in Centro that I won't go into because I couldn't verify it (but three separate girls on three separate nights told me about it so that was surprising). The advice I would give to my fellow Americans is to adopt a more [I]tranquilo[/I] attitude; be a bit more calm and less aggressively forward. It seems that the girls like that a bit more when it comes to that initial meeting. And don't worry, Latinas will always get more sensual and close as things heat up later.
[B]Lleras Girls[/B]
I've already written this in a previous post, but most of the girls you see milling about in Lleras are working. It's generally pretty easy to spot the non-working girls because they are there with their boyfriends or they are dressed a bit more conservatively and they are usually walking around as if they are sight-seeing as opposed to just standing. If you see a girl or a group of girls scantily dressed and standing around the park, they are definitely working. If you need even more information; Parque Lleras is a square and most of the working girls congregate in the park or the sidewalks around it. On the outside of the square are the bars and I found that less working girls were on those sidewalks. The vast majority of the girls are congregating on the sidewalk and some overhang things between Gusto and a bar called Glow (if you look at a map, it's Calle 9 a side).
I never had more than a ten minute conversation with a girl before I pulled the trigger. I mean, there is just not much to say. How are you? What's your name? How old are you? You look beautiful. I like x, why, z, can you do that? How much for a date? I think you can try to butter them up more but I'm not sure it really matters when you're picking up girls in the square because they generally aren't going to go hang out for a drink or anything. Others can correct me if I'm wrong because I've never tried that before. I find that buttering them up afterward is a much more promising strategy. Most every girl quoted me 100 USD for an hour and 200 USD por la noche. I say, "Pero, solamente tengo pesos" (But, I only have pesos) and they would switch to either 300 k or 400 k. I always do por la noche and I never paid more than 500-600 k after negotiating for a few minutes. If a girl gave me a straight offer of 600 k I never tried to push for more because I really don't care to haggle over 25 dollars especially because I would revalidate the services I wanted in exchange for letting go of the negotiation. If she pushed for 800 k, I would try to get her down to 600 k. Of course, there were usually some added costs like an Uber home, Rappi for some food if they wanted it, and another Uber home for the girl after finishing the deal. Some of those are optional, of course, but if you are a decent negotiator, you can generally budget for about 750 k for all costs. In return, this would get me 4-5 hours with the girl, 2-3 polvos (depending on my mood), and a really nice night with a fun new connection.
My favorite of the trip was a girl called Michelle. To me, she was a legit 9/10. Born in Venezuela but had lived in Bucaramanga, Colombia her whole life. 23 years old with porcelain white skin and no kids, deep brown eyes, dark black hair, and long eyelashes. Flaca frame but some nice curves. She was in her last year of university studying computer science (she was not faking as we had some deeper conversation around topics in that area) and was working to pay off her expenses. She was looking to get out of Colombia long-term to find a job since computer jobs are not super plentiful there and she felt that Colombia was not the right place to start a family. We had a great connection and I will say, my friends, I was getting that feeling of "saving" her which is always a good sign for me of a real connection. We had some great conversation and she was no slouch in bed with a lot of passion. She wasn't super experienced but she put in the work haha. But yeah, if you catch her in Lleras, treat that girl right. That girl really does deserve to get that happy ending LOL.
[B]Gusto[/B]
This place gets a bad rap from certain people on this forum, but I will just say this, even the touts who are pushing other bars will tell you that this place is the "premier" spot. In my view, it's worth an experience and I do think the quality of girls is pretty good. In my experience, most every girl was looking to get 300 USD from the outset. I was generally able to negotiate girls to about 800-900 k por la noche though some were firm at 1-1. 2 million. I didn't feel that less than 700 k would be on the table since it seemed the girls were marketing themselves a bit higher than the Lleras girls. I do feel that the quality of the girls was pretty high in terms of looks and there were always at least 3-4 girls that I would consider "instantly doable".
The big negative of the joint for me is that the place doesn't really get popping until 11 pm. I started by going out at 9 pm and there were a decent number of Lleras chicks but no girls at Gusto. By 10 ish, the doorman usually would tell me there were only a few and to come back in half an hour. By 11 pm, it seemed that enough girls were there. I am well aware of Latino party hours but during this trip, I had some morning plans and I didn't want to spend every night staying up until midnight or 1 am just to get a girl back to my place so it put a damper on how much I would use the place. Also, the few times I went early and waited for Gusto to get full, I would usually find a girl in Lleras that I would consider 8/10+ and would pull the trigger.
[B]Service[/B]
This is hotly contested so I will give you guys my criteria. I generally look for GFE-like experiences. This means that I like to take the girl home, pop open some jugo / vino / water and talk for a while to get to know her. I love learning something new or absorbing a different life experience and forming some minor connections because I believe it leads to some better sex and a more fulfilling night. I look for more passion in my sex and a general enjoyment from the lady. THIS IS NOT FOR EVERYONE and I won't insult those who look for a different experience. I prefer to have that experience with all of my sexual exploits, girlfriend or paid and it's the only way I prefer to roll. Saying all of this, I sampled 10 women from Lleras / Gusto and I didn't have a bad experience. Every night, I was able to find (what I believe to be) a 8/10 or higher girl that would provide passable GFE experiences. I would say that 7/10 provided above average GFE and 4-5 were mindblowing GFE. The ladies were active in pushing for more during the sexual encounters and didn't shy away from changing positions, kissing, etc. Only 3 girls requested condoms for BJs (I don't do bareback for sex) and I always got at least 2 good shots. The average night usually went; come home and talk / drink for an hour, sex, rest for 30-60 and talk / eat, sex, let her go home. I understand that everything is YMMV and I do have four distinct advantages in that I'm passably fluent in Spanish, not a drunkard, am a good listener, and I'm young. Note that 3/4 "advantages" are things anyone can do.
I don't feel that the service level for the Gusto's girls was any higher than the Lleras girls, but I guess I would say that the median Gusto girl was more attractive. I felt that some of the really attractive Lleras girls got annoyingly swiped up fast. I would stupidly want to make a final lap before picking a girl and she would literally be walking away with a dude in the few minutes it took me to get around. But it all works out in the end because new girls always show up (That girl Michelle showed up two minutes after I missed out on hottie because I decided to take the long way around the park rather than go through it to talk to her). Don't get too bent out of shape about missing out.
[B]Final Thoughts[/B]
I had a really great trip while solely focused on Lleras and Gusto hunting. I didn't even end up trying the other bars because a few laps (maybe 20-30 minutes at most) around the park usually got me what I wanted. I totally understand that other options can lead to great returns as well but I am simply stating my experience. I wanted to see if it could provide consistent results and to give you guys some better info on what can happen. Hopefully it helps. Here are some other random thoughts without much explanation.
I understand that my price tolerance might be higher than some here, but I felt that nothing was overly expensive. Most girls were quickly able to be negotiated down and very few held firm on high quotes, but this might be YMMV. They seemed to value the tranquilo vibe, from what I heard.
Safety is really high on the list for the girls. Drunk shitheads are a dangerous unknown. If you come off as a safe guy, they are willing to negotiate to close the deal.
I never paid until the end and no girl requested it of me. I usually paid them after they showered before leaving before they asked.
Rappi is great. It gives you major access to whatever food you want and the delivery fees / tips are like 1 USD.
Many of the girls didn't want to work in Centro because of the perceived danger, drug-addled neighbors, and trashiness, though I'm not sure if that was from experience or just what they heard.
Many of the Lleras street girls didn't like working at the bars because they had to spend tons of hours hawking drinks on guys which was tiring. I didn't get a lot of clarity if they specifically meant the "employed" girls with the uniforms or the actual prostitutes that frequent the bars. Either way, constant hangovers, groping dudes, and the bars taking major cuts from their wallets doesn't sound great.
If I ever come with some friends or anyone here takes me up on meeting in Medellin, I am happy to try some other bars in Lleras. My next personal trip will probably focus more on upscale incall brothel places and some online facebook / escorts at night to try a change of pace.
Airbnb suggestion girls friendly near Lleras
Last trip I had the frustrating experience of being cock blocked by the receptionist of my hotel while I was about to have a threesome with 2 stunning Latina girls met at Lleras park. So I am looking for an Airbnb this time, with a private entrance preferably to avoid the walk of shame in a lobby or a common elevator. My budget is also lower so something not to expensive. It can be elsewhere too, I like near Lleras because walking around when I am walking back to my room is a good way to find some gem.
If there is other relatively safe place like Lleras park with a lots of girls ready to suck and fuck for money I would give a try in a different area but I think Lleras park is probably the best place for it.
Chatting Up Chicas in Parque Lleras
[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2936875].... Scope out a girl you like, exchange pleasantries, tell her what you like, negotiate prices, and get home. It can be difficult to talk to one girl who is in a pack since you are just one guy, but you'll see that all of her friends will usually move aside and give you peace to close the deal with your chosen girl. .............I never had more than a ten minute conversation with a girl before I pulled the trigger. I mean, there is just not much to say. How are you? What's your name? How old are you? You look beautiful. I like x, why, z, can you do that? How much for a date? I think you can try to butter them up more but I'm not sure it really matters when you're picking up girls in the square because they generally aren't going to go hang out for a drink or anything. [/QUOTE]
TheDelirous, thanks for the detailed, informative report on your mongering ventures around the Parque Lleras happy hunting ground.
Let me add a personal addendum to your experience (quoted above) in chatting / picking up chicas where they congregate around the Parque (mostly on / near the corner of the park between clubs Gustos and Glow). When I approach a chica (whether she's alone or in a group), I ask her to come sit down with me inside the park for a brief, private conversation--just long enough for me to get a feel for her personality (vivaciousness, overt sensuality, flirtatiousness are all good signs that she'll provide GFE treatment). (5 minutes or so; 10 at most). They rarely refuse, and, if they do, it's usually a bad sign--though if super hot I may still collect her WhatsApp.
I stay in Laureles when I'm in Medellin and prefer to see chicas for just an hour or two in the early evening (as opposed to Todo la Noche). Given my location and these preferences, I'll visit Lleras at the busiest times (after 10:00 PM Thursday to Saturday nights) to scout for new talent, but only to have interviews and collect What's App numbers. I'll then wait for another day to negotiate pricing and services by text message. Since I'm not trying to pry them away from Parque Llleras to Laureles at prime late night hours, they will often accept a more modest offer of 200 or 250 thousand plus the promise of a generous tip for good GFE (DFK and BBBJ). Not cheap by El Centro street or casa prices but still a good discount relative to the rates that you were quoting. Of course, some will counter with a higher price and, if she's superduper hot and has my hormones fully engaged, we'll negotiate and may end up compromising in the 300 to 400 range.
