Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2949491]Like I said, I mainly partake in chicas who advertise online in Colombia on sites such as Prepagos and Mileroticos. Some are gorgeous, most charge around 130 - 150 K per hour, NONE charge more than 250 K. So all the chat on here about prices you guys find normal of hundreds of USD per hour is just on another planet for me, about screwing influencers and Instagram models etc. Who gives a crap about that? If they're sexy and you want to screw them is all that matters! I guess many guys who go to Lleras etc can't speak Spanish either. Any hooker in Colombia who straight off speaks English to me, I would run a mile from!

So anyway, this has enlightened me more to why I probably wouldn't like Lleras. It's only sex after all and I'm not interested in paying more than their monthly rent for an hour of sex!

Re. Europe, you're quoting some of the most expensive cities such as London. OK, so actually slightly more than 100 USD these days in Belgium, more like 80 for 30 minutes and 130 an hour for an internet lady. And Germany is even cheaper than Belgium, as salaries are lower. And if you see ones that cost more online in Belgium or Germany, you're looking at the wrong websites. The ones full of fake photos, supposed models and porn stars etc. They're the worst. Same goes for Colombia.

So why the hell would I pay more in a country like Colombia (where salaries are 1/10th of Belgium if they're lucky!) than I would in Belgium or Germany ?

Mentioning Eastern Europe, I used to work and monger in Budapest. I had some of the most gorgeous hookers there and best sex in my life for peanuts, like 20 - 30 an hour for the best looking internet ladies. But that was 10 years back, now they're still relatively cheap but quantity & quality has gone way down.

So anyway, I'll check out Lleras, but if I get quoted amounts I deem crazy for a poorish country where availability is plentiful, I'll just walk on.[/QUOTE]No sense talking to these guys that live to overpay. They will never understand anything about the real world.

On another note isn't the cheap place in Europe actually Hungary?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2949490]The thing is true stunners, real 9's and 10's are so scarce even in Colombia. Most of the girls of this caliber are not publicly available for p4 p. So, there is really no market for 9's and 10's, and therefore no going rates. They try to charge whatever they can, and eventually find someone willing to pay that. My understanding is that they would rather prefer an exclusive long term arrangement with 1 wealthy guy (or a few guys) than PPM and fucking multiple strangers. And even if they do PPM, usually it is temporary thing until they find someone who will take care of them financially. You got to be really lucky to catch a 9 or 10 at a place like La Isla or Gusto, or some higher end club in Bogota. What funny is I had a similar experience. I fucked my very first 9 at La Isla back in 2016. The girl had six pack abs and could easily be Sports Illustrated / Playboy model. Sex was just okay, all covered, but that was expected because it is standard at La Isla.[/QUOTE]If she's got a six pack she'd never be higher than a 6 in my book. Throw the poor thing a sandwich or something!

If you're paying like $300-400 USD honestly you may as well just stay in the US already!

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2949491]Like I said, I mainly partake in chicas who advertise online in Colombia on sites such as Prepagos and Mileroticos. Some are gorgeous, most charge around 130 - 150 K per hour, NONE charge more than 250 K. So all the chat on here about prices you guys find normal of hundreds of USD per hour is just on another planet for me, about screwing influencers and Instagram models etc. Who gives a crap about that? If they're sexy and you want to screw them is all that matters! I guess many guys who go to Lleras etc can't speak Spanish either. Any hooker in Colombia who straight off speaks English to me, I would run a mile from!

So anyway, this has enlightened me more to why I probably wouldn't like Lleras. It's only sex after all and I'm not interested in paying more than their monthly rent for an hour of sex!

Re. Europe, you're quoting some of the most expensive cities such as London. OK, so actually slightly more than 100 USD these days in Belgium, more like 80 for 30 minutes and 130 an hour for an internet lady. And Germany is even cheaper than Belgium, as salaries are lower. And if you see ones that cost more online in Belgium or Germany, you're looking at the wrong websites. The ones full of fake photos, supposed models and porn stars etc. They're the worst. Same goes for Colombia.

So why the hell would I pay more in a country like Colombia (where salaries are 1/10th of Belgium if they're lucky!) than I would in Belgium or Germany ?

Mentioning Eastern Europe, I used to work and monger in Budapest. I had some of the most gorgeous hookers there and best sex in my life for peanuts, like 20 - 30 an hour for the best looking internet ladies. But that was 10 years back, now they're still relatively cheap but quantity & quality has gone way down.

So anyway, I'll check out Lleras, but if I get quoted amounts I deem crazy for a poorish country where availability is plentiful, I'll just walk on.[/QUOTE]The chicas on 10th and in Lleras and nearby will be expecting more than you are used to, that is virtually certain. But not a bad evening to take in the scenery, relax on a patio or two, get something to eat on the closed off street in Provenza, and maybe get some numbers as you say. Some may consider your price range to come to see you or whatever. But be very careful. Many of these gals are outfitted with the drug kit that they can use if they get the opportunity. They drug the client, call their contact, let the contact (s) in and collect their reward, and the contact takes care of the dirty work. Or they take part. You get the picture. And that happens in Laureles as well. I think the body count is well over 40 this year, and those are the very small minority of those druggings that result in death. There are hundreds, possibly thousands, that are robberies. So especially when you are in your own place in private never have an open drink, and preferably have building security that takes pictures of their cedulas, and preferably checks with you when the girl leaves to be sure you are ok. Anyway, you are likely familiar with all of that if you date chicas off social media. Tinder is the worst apparently.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2949561]If you're paying like $300-400 USD honestly you may as well just stay in the US already![/QUOTE]If you spend that kind of money on some random Lleras girl, of course. But if you spend it on a girl that could easily model for playboy, like we're talking about, you won't get that for $300 in the USA. Starts at $1000+ an hour.

I don't like Lleras myself, don't like the talent here, most girls there I wouldn't even f*ck for free. Let alone el centro like Gabacho visits to pick up some random stinking animal and proudly posts here how little money he paid.

It's literally the difference between eating at Mc Donalds and Joel Robuchon. If you think spending $500 on a meal there sounds stupid, then that's perfectly fine, enjoy your $5 hamburger. But don't tell me life is better that way. To each their own.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2949455]Has anyone ever wondered what happened to "Osteoknot"? He used to be a prolific poster here and has not made an appearance since over 2 years ago.[/QUOTE]His stories were incredibly entertaining. I stopped reading ISG reports after he disappeared. I hope he's okay. I always felt he was pushing the limits by venturing into places even most Colombians wouldn't dare to go.

His stories were highly entertaining. I stopped reading his reports after he disappeared. I hope he is ok. I always thought he was pushing it to the limit by going places than a Colombian would dare of going.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2949636]The chicas on 10th and in Lleras and nearby will be expecting more than you are used to, that is virtually certain. But not a bad evening to take in the scenery, relax on a patio or two, get something to eat on the closed off street in Provenza, and maybe get some numbers as you say. Some may consider your price range to come to see you or whatever. But be very careful. Many of these gals are outfitted with the drug kit that they can use if they get the opportunity. They drug the client, call their contact, let the contact (s) in and collect their reward, and the contact takes care of the dirty work. Or they take part. You get the picture. And that happens in Laureles as well. I think the body count is well over 40 this year, and those are the very small minority of those druggings that result in death. There are hundreds, possibly thousands, that are robberies. So especially when you are in your own place in private never have an open drink, and preferably have building security that takes pictures of their cedulas, and preferably checks with you when the girl leaves to be sure you are ok. Anyway, you are likely familiar with all of that if you date chicas off social media. Tinder is the worst apparently.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your advice. I'm probably just feeling horny in Europe seeing the videos of Lleras etc, once I get there I'll be sensible. Never done anything dumb before there, not about to start now. Don't date any chicks from social media. Going to see one advertised as a hooker online with her photo & address, or at a Casa with other working girls is probably the safest sex you can have in Colombia! The way I do it.

Are they going to drug you at their own place where they sleep? When you have their photo etc? Don't think so, done it hundreds of times never had a problem.

I'll do like you said, go to Lleras for the evening and maybe take a few numbers. If I decided to pull the trigger I'd never invite them to my place, but to a motel just made for that. The reception holds their cedula, and I would make a point of only taking with me the basics of what I need. Cash for them and my burner phone. No bank cards, no original ID etc. I'd also tell them that so there's no point robbing me. But that's all theory anyway because whether or not I'd take the risk on one is another question. We'll see 😉.

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2949641]If you spend that kind of money on some random Lleras girl, of course. But if you spend it on a girl that could easily model for playboy, like we're talking about, you won't get that for $300 in the USA. Starts at $1000+ an hour.[/QUOTE]I agree, but the death of Colombia is that women in Canada who look just as good are cheaper, and there is similar quality for less in Europe.

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2949641]If you think spending $500 on a meal there sounds stupid, then that's perfectly fine, enjoy your $5 hamburger. But don't tell me life is better that way. To each their own.[/QUOTE]Thing is that same steak was $125 three years ago, and the guys who live there are a little frustrated with that kind of inflation. I understand that. They are wrong to blame other men, but people always want to point fingers. Ironically, what caused hooker prices in part to soar in the USA, a legal crack down, is happening in Colombia.

And there is the other thing: what the guys do not get is the cure for high prices is high prices. There are better values to be had in the world now than in Colombia on the high end. If you want value, you have to plant roots, go to places other tourists do not go, or settle for the low end. I think the guys here want you to know that there is still value in the low end, but I get that might not be your cup of tea, and I suspect you may not have the time to set down roots.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2949491]Like I said, I mainly partake in chicas who advertise online in Colombia on sites such as Prepagos and Mileroticos. Some are gorgeous, most charge around 130 - 150 K per hour, NONE charge more than 250 K. So all the chat on here about prices you guys find normal of hundreds of USD per hour is just on another planet for me, about screwing influencers and Instagram models etc. Who gives a crap about that?[/QUOTE]Yeah, I don't think anybody should be paying hundreds of USD for an hour of time in Colombia. For a last minute pickup in Lleras, most have quoted 600-800 k (about 150-200 USD) por la noche (multi-hour / shot night). Even Gustos girls seem to push around 1-1. 2 million (about 250-300 USD) for the night if you don't negotiate. I do speak Spanish as well so that may help but no girl in Lleras has ever quoted me more than 400 k per hour and they all quickly go down to 300 k if you push them and give off a good vibe from my discussions with them. I'm actually really surprised to see you make this assertion because I don't think anybody has advocated paying "hundreds of USD" for an hour of time. Most just don't get bent out of shape about paying and extra 50 k-100 k (20 USD) for a session if its a girl they really like and if it's in a general expected range.

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Re. Europe, you're quoting some of the most expensive cities such as London. OK, so actually slightly more than 100 USD these days in Belgium, more like 80 for 30 minutes and 130 an hour for an internet lady. And Germany is even cheaper than Belgium, as salaries are lower. And if you see ones that cost more online in Belgium or Germany, you're looking at the wrong websites. The ones full of fake photos, supposed models and porn stars etc. They're the worst. Same goes for Colombia.
[/QUOTE]I am American so I only know the places that are posted in these forums. As most here are tourists, we tend to focus on major areas that cater to tourists for a variety of reasons. So we would focus on the going rate in Brussels, not La Hulpe (even though it is a beautiful location to visit in a short burst). It's kinda like the situation with Thailand; Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket prices are more relevant to mongers than the prices in Chiang Mai even if there are deals to be had. For European prices, in any major region, most of those all seem to charge the higher rates that you claim are "wrong. " I found that the looks of the girls and the service level I expected matched the general expectation I've grown accustomed to with the price points in the US / Canada. If you have specific insights to these supposed deals, please post them or private message me because I'm definitely interested. Always happy to learn of new places.

Eastern Europe is on my list to try, though.

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2949641]If you spend that kind of money on some random Lleras girl, of course. But if you spend it on a girl that could easily model for playboy, like we're talking about, you won't get that for $300 in the USA. Starts at $1000+ an hour.

I don't like Lleras myself, don't like the talent here, most girls there I wouldn't even f*ck for free. Let alone el centro like Gabacho visits to pick up some random stinking animal and proudly posts here how little money he paid.

It's literally the difference between eating at Mc Donalds and Joel Robuchon. If you think spending $500 on a meal there sounds stupid, then that's perfectly fine, enjoy your $5 hamburger. But don't tell me life is better that way. To each their own.[/QUOTE]This actually proves my point. To further the analogy:

If you're paying $500 to eat at a restaurant with Joel Robuchon's name on it, you're paying a high price for essentially nothing. Robuchon likely has never even set foot in the place, and if he did, it was once or twice, long ago. He probably didn't even consult on the menu.

I couldn't think of a better analogy than that and paying for sex in Lleras.

To further FURTHER the analogy, I don't eat at McDonalds either. I eat at that undiscovered street spot or hole-in-the-wall restaurant few people know about.

Nobody's telling you what to do or not to do. I just personally think it's stupid. Not that you have to care, but this is an on-topic debate on the subject in a public forum, and that's my $. 02.

It is also my opinion that Colombia is a great place to monger because the average offering in the market is way higher than in most other places. Colombia is all about bang for the buck. But the absolute cream of the crop - at least looks-wise - will always be found in the USA. If your physical standards are really THAT high, that is.

Alright, since we have all been bashing the lleras pick up scene, let's try and focus on the best online sites that have yielded actual success.

I am near Lleras but so far haven't gone when the action starts (everyone says around 11 PM is best), because I usually have made arrangements before that point.

Between ISG pages of discussions, and tons of Youtube videos, you get the picture with Lleras.

If I'm meeting someone in the street in my travels, my RULE now is to NEVER get with any girl that approaches me FIRST.

So majority of the success I had in MDE is from photoprepagos and mileroticos -- never had a bad chica from those. The least exciting one was a last minute chica who came super late because my previous date was hours delayed, and at 2 AM I just invited over the first chica I messaged who responded and sounded sweet. Super cool, but very transactional, and the connection was whatever even though she was fun enough. Weird super fake tits, but that's what I get for last minute rush. I've paid anywhere from $250 K an hour to $750 K for multi-hour session from all the experiences I've had from those sites. Again, I'm not going to try to bargain bin a chica down from $190 USD to 150 USD.

I am curious about places like modelosalacarta, masajistaspaisas, and others. So please pass on any tips or pointers so we can get some good info back on track.

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2950044]Usually the top looking girls don't perform the best, nobody argues that. They know how hot they are so they don't need to blow you without condom for example. The restaurant analogy works there again, a delicious mail doesn't need to be expensive and it actually can taste better than the most expensive meal in the world. Same goes with wines for example. But it's all about how scarce something is. Even though the hottest girl's performance is nothing special, it's still pure bliss to be fucking her. And not everybody might value that of course, there's no arguing about taste. But don't go post nonsense here like girls like that can easily be had for 250 k.[/QUOTE]It really depends on the venue or where she is sourced from, how much you pay and if there is chemistry or if she likes you. Do you think those models on expensive yacht trips blow rich guys with a condom on? I bet they don't. If you have money, and pay accordingly, you can get any level of service you want. Anal, orgies, BBFS, whatever the fuck you want. Unless you are an absolutely disgusting fat old pig. And even so, it is just a matter of how much you pay. If you get rejected, you move on until you find someone who would bite. And obviously, you will rarely get GFE service from a casa / club girl, especially when you do her on site. The fee is usually flat and you get standard all covered service. But again, you can always pay up, take her out of the club and get the service you want.

And if there is chemistry, all that I said above becomes so much easier. A had an arrangement with a legit 9, and the sex was off the charts, she fucking delivered, OMG. I will remember her for the rest of my life, that's for sure.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2950019]Then show us the models you have been fucking for 250 k or less, and tell us how and where to find them and we'll be thankful. Do you know how many times I have been shown photos of the girls that a fellow monger considered stunning that I would not even touch for free?[/QUOTE]I just literally posted a review with photo a little while back. And I mentioned it previously, but you didn't bother to read.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2950019]...... Do you know how many times I have been shown photos of the girls that a fellow monger considered stunning that I would not even touch for free?[/QUOTE]That is normal. There are probably guys out there who would not touch for free girls you find stunning. I like it when guys do not like girls I like because that makes their availability for me better.
Reminds me of around 16 years ago at New Life when I saw in the lineup one of the hottest girls I've ever seen. There was one other dude who was there before me and had to choose first. I was concerned that he might take her and lo and behold he chose some other girl who I found significantly less attractive. The result was I banged one of the hottest girls I've ever banged in my life. Returned the next day and she was gone never to be seen again. One of my life's greatest regrets is not taking her number.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2950232]If you look at the high price ones, they are like tourist trap. A couple of examples among them, the quality of Loutron or La Isla are not getting better but the price going up much more with reduced service than the other non-tourist trap places. Why is that?

Why an experience man would go to tourist trap? One could observe from the conviction of some members here and they must go to these tourist traps to get what they want and pay the tourist trap price because they have to compete with the tourists or others with similar mindset. In a way, relatively speaking, the higher price one pays the weaker hand one has.[/QUOTE]It's all about the relative arbitrage mechanics at play. I am firm believer that most tourist places provide a general quality floor in experience due to the fact that those areas tend to represent the "upper crust" within a local prostitution market (the local modeling trade being the most prestigious but that is normally not a circle any foreigner, even of a long-term expat, is usually involved in) which leads to more competition within both sides of the market. This is standard supply-demand economics within unregulated markets and should lead better quality service for appropriately upcharged prices. It is not a guarantee, of course, but the general dynamics seem to bear this out pretty well. The second issue that most mongers mistake is the concept of a "passport bro. " A bro should be a term for a certain type of personality, but it is usually incorrectly associated with income classes. To be more specific, there are the folks with high incomes (probably orders of magnitude more than some mongers here) who are simply engaging in the market and making use of arbitrage that works for them. E. g. (and just using "you" generically) If you have ten dollars, it looks stupid to watch someone pay 3 dollars for a 2 dollar apple. If I have one million dollars and someone is selling a 3 dollar apple outside my apartment, I can see the upcharge but understand that it doesn't matter because that same apple costs 10 dollars and I don't want to deal with the hassle of trying to find a place that sells the 2 dollar apple. I wouldn't consider these passport bros and just look at them as what they are; new actors entering a market. Yes, they might ruin things for the old heads who want to go back to the good ol' days, but those actors often also lead to positive benefits in a market (more providers often enter the market to try and engage the higher priced buyers).

You are mistaken. Neither Loutron nor La Isla has "reduced services" to other places, it is more equitable to say they are overcharging for equivalent services. Most of the bang and dash providers in Centro provide sub-standard services that "could" be compared to the higher end joints. These higher end places claim that the hotness of the women makes up for it but that is the great debate, of course.

Let's get this back on track.

Was messaging a few prepagos, wanted an earlier vibe so I can be done before midnight in case I wanted to do more night time activities like the clubs.

Still have not been to Gustos even though I can walk there, nor have I checked out La Isla. But I think I have to based on all the hype. Let me know your thoughts, also not sure how the tipping situation works, like what is considered a good tip. Or should I just bring a bunch of USD singles?

Date with a young esthetician who is paying her way through school, and only works earlier hours. She showed me pics of her classes and clients so she's being honest.

Lot of chatting on WA and wanted to be extra secure, I was a little hesitant, but did the whole share location to verify I am where I say I am, and all was good.

Natural boobs, very few photos, but since one date fell through, I wanted to get the evening going without much more fuss.

Checked in, she came with a body suit showing off her cleavage and her natural tetas.

Cute face with a little roundness, round cheeks, but she was very cute.

Natural lips, but a BIG BBL. A pretty nice one too, and the tummy scar was evident, but didn't matter to me.

She raided my mini bar, and we start up, dancing, grinding, besitos, and BBBJ begun, she made great eye contact and had the cutest lips wrapped around, licking all over.

She could deep throat which was a welcome surprise, and forced herself all the way down 5 or 6 times during our 3 hour session.

Started Doggy, and that BBL combined with the BBBJ had me ready for the first polvo. Boom.

We cuddle together and start chatting, and she's stuck to me like a clingy girlfriend haha.

Natural break in conversation, and we start making out again, and I'm ready to go again, legs up half missionary so I can see her natural see cups bouncing while I pound away.

She was super tight and grippy, and the whole vibe was extremely sensual, which made it so much more enjoyable.

Opted for a third hour because I was ready to go again at the end of hours 2, so I'm not trying to nickel and dime like so many of the mongers on here, who are proud of how little they spend.

Could have negotiated a little, but I didn't want to interrupt the flow.

Third time was just as fun, she went down on me as soon as she noticed I was ready and gave me one of the best BBBJ's I could ask for.

In terms of what I spent, I'll say that I have never exceeded $300 USD on any chica here thus far, if anybody wants more details you can PM.

Another lovely paisa offering GFE and a super sexy time.

Side note: I messaged a stunning Venezolana, but I didn't know that until we were working out details. She was trying to push me for a trio with her ultra hot Vennie friend. She then asked if the hotel checks documents. I say "Si Siempre" (yes always) -- and she's like ohh I just got my papers from Venezuela. She insisted she only did CBJ so that was one strike, but was so fine, I was still tempted. I didn't want to risk anything based on stories I've read, heard online, and heard first hand from other chicas about girls from Venezuela because they are not on the paisa vibe, and that wavelength is where I am having the best times.