Jakarta

[QUOTE=Master Diver II; 1360421]Bro,

I think Tommy got the numbers right down below. There will be cases where 300k is acceptable but from what I seem to be hearing, they are fewer and further between. I can't judge from my own more recent experiences as I'm trawling a totally different market nowadays. However the last "amateur" I came across which was still part "date" was perfectly happy with 300k after the whole afternoon YMMV. With your ability to converse, you can do pretty well on the internet dating sites. Perhaps you should investigate my friend / mentor / mahaguru?

MD II[/QUOTE]Well, like I commented on Tommy's appreciated input, I thought a staff member would expect more than the going taxi money for an "ayam". That's why I've asked the thread.

BTW, I think spending the afternoon with you was more than the girl has expected and to get 300K on top of that? I wish I had seen the expression on her face at that moment. I'm sure it was: Priceless!

Dating sites? To succeed, you either have to be a bulai or look the way you do. I'm none of the two. No wonder that my attempts were in vain.

But seriously, before returning to Jakarta I tried my luck in an Indonesian site for Chinese women over 30 years, who are looking for a partner. Those who reacted were, even to my standards, (and you know I don't mind doing a charity fuck now and then) , not attractive.

[QUOTE=Menteng; 1360315]Thanks for the input TS, but since it was about a member of the staff of one of the bars at Faletehan, I thought it would make a difference.

BTW, nice to have met you!

To others: keep hinting, so I could compare it to what I thought was fair.[/QUOTE]Hi menteng, it was great meeting you..! Maha guru:) You are very well traveled, quite amazing, it was fun talking to you.

Is it the staff member you were chatting with last Thursday night? Yes, if so, I guess you are right, she would deserve a little bit better than the standard ayam fare.

I took out "career woman" last night to pisah kafe, in an area well known to you.. Set me back 700k. But it was worth it. Lousy wine though, but life music and food were fantastic. Cu

I was there on several occasions and on every occasion after the deed is done, the ML or the girl will press you for a tip and the tone given make the situation like it was a compulsory contribution. If you just give 50, they will sulk and make a grumble indicating you are a miser.

If you are a regular and perhaps regular patrons should lodge a complaint to the Management on this open conduct on their girls.

As for payment upfront, it seems to be the trend nowadays! I tried not to give in on this payment upfront issue during my last visit with the Mummy, she just ignore you. Later I got the clarification from another Mummy that it seem customers who do not pay upfront are unable to secure a room easily for the service.

Any comments?

QUOTE=Hafni; 1273283]All local girls here. All shapes and sizes and qualities. Some do speaks English, just ask the Mummy which girl can. Open daily from 2pm to 2am.

1. Each dress colored girls are assigned to different Mummy, I think two Mummies for each color group. Each colors have 15-20 girls rotated each time customers picked a girl. Most will go back home after servicing a minimum of 5 customers each.

2. If you don't want the Mummy to pick for you. Choose your pick from the selections and find the Mummy for that group. You can go straight to the room to fuck or chat and buy the girl some drink (optional). You might get better service if the girl likes you. Always worked out for me, I prefer good services. If you think that the girl is not suitable for you, you can always request for a new one.

3. It's a fixed rate system. I think it's IDR370k for an hour inclusive room and condom. Tipping is optional starting from IDR50k, you can give more if you like the girl's service, all up to you. I never gotten a bad service so far but maybe because I speak their language and I chat them up and buy them a drink before the fucking.

4. From what I experienced with about 15 girls there for 3 nights (including my threesome and foursome) , catbath, BBBJ (all I had but not all girl do this) , DFK (not all) , all fucking positions I requested, no anal. I got three shots for my threesome (2 hours) and four shots for my foursome (3 hours). Single girl will be 1 shot (1 hour) unless if you want to extend the session.

5. Rooms are upstairs. I always requested for the bigger room with mirrored walls and ceiling so I can see myself banging the girls. Not sure if there's any extra charges for that particular room (still dirt cheap). Takeout only possible if the girl or Mummy trust or like you. They can decline if they wanted. I did took one 18 years old Sundanese girl back to my room after 10pm because her pussy is so damn tight and GFE was really high. Brought her to CJ Mulia for some live music and also supper at Burger Kings. Banged her four times and sent her to the lobby around 8am next day with a IDR300k tip. Takeout will cost you about IDR1. 2Mil after 10pm.

It's almost the same as Hotel Classic but with different pricing. I've gotten better service at Hotel Travel compared to Level 3 & 5 of Hotel Classic girls. Hope this'll help all newbies considering Hotel Travel for some action. So far, the place never disappoints me.

Cheers![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Menteng; 1360536]Well, like I commented on Tommy's appreciated input, I thought a staff member would expect more than the going taxi money for an "ayam". That's why I've asked the thread.

BTW, I think spending the afternoon with you was more than the girl has expected and to get 300K on top of that? I wish I had seen the expression on her face at that moment. I'm sure it was: Priceless!

Dating sites? To succeed, you either have to be a bulai or look the way you do. I'm none of the two. No wonder that my attempts were in vain.

But seriously, before returning to Jakarta I tried my luck in an Indonesian site for Chinese women over 30 years, who are looking for a partner. Those who reacted were, even to my standards, (and you know I don't mind doing a charity fuck now and then) , not attractive.[/QUOTE]Bro, it's all about the wording in your profile - I have my trademark tagline;). But I know quite a few who just want the guy to be straightforward and treat them nicely without the BS. You'd fit nicely in with that.

MD II

[QUOTE=Menteng;1360536]Well, like I commented on Tommy's appreciated input, I thought a staff member would expect more than the going taxi money for an "ayam". That's why I've asked the thread.[/QUOTE]It depend on your conversation with the girl before.

It's not clear from your info, the girl might just looking for fun with you and might get offended if you are paying her for sex.

If she's just looking for fun, I think 200-300k taxi is ok.

That amount is safe enough that you can claim that you are giving her real taxi money instead of paying a callgirl.

Most of the time the girl will ask for more if not enough anyway.

If the agreement is money for sex I think 600-1000k is the going rate

Been in Jakarta for 6 mo. And thought I would do a post of some items. Some background. I am in my 40's but look 10 years younger with a larger frame. Not fat but easily twice the size of most Indonesians. I think that puts some of them off from approaching. Been told good looking, but that is from the G. F. LOL.

I am located in South Jakarta, do not have a car / driver and my Bahasa sucks! Do have a significant other so hunting is limited to professionals. Remember we pay them to leave. Not to stay.

Sorry if this is disjointed.

Traffic.

As has been said many times. The traffic here sucks! It is the biggest killer of play time. In the high traffic areas. It is easier to not go out!

Meds.

Need little blue pills (or yellow). Go into almost any pharmacy (apotek) and ask. They are expensive at 600, 000 for 4x100 mg. Or go to Kota and find the non-perscription ones. Buy a few first to see if they work. I did get one batch that did not work.

Malls.

There are many reports of the malls being a good place to hunt, but I have not found that to be true. I have been to a dozen malls in Jakarta and really do not see any scene. Most of these malls are the upscale malls but have tried some of the other older malls. I do get a hungry look at times from some of the girls but in most cases I would not be interested. The previous reports, I think, were more a statement of not as many bule in the country (at that time) and poor economic times. Not saying it cannot be done and I know I will keep looking!

BATS.

I have a previous report on it. Good looking girls with a sliding scale as the night progresses. Starting at 1. 5 million (Juta) and ending in the 600, 000 range. Of course all are looking for tips.

Red Square.

Hot. Really hot girls. Was with a friend and did not partake but many were there to try and recoup the 10$ entrance fee. Will go back there again!

C. List and websites.

Tried it once and was too expensive for the experience. The girl was amazing but a 19 yr old starfish. Only worth it if really desperate and just want to look at her.

Dating sites.

The DI* site is the best of the bunch for hunting pros. I have tried indo-Cup, Tag, and a few others. I have had 10 from these sites. To find those on the game in DI* is simple. Most that are advertising are 21-27 years old. The pictures they use have been real so far. The profile will be very short and they will have a few clues in the profile. Look for open minded, meet now, etc. The usual clues. Also they will list the age they are looking for as 18-80 or 18-50. That is a good indication they are looking. I think many of them are also using a handler as they text in English but do not have any English skills when they show up. Cost for those to come to your place. Between 400, 000 and 800, 000 for one shot and a few hours. They will ask for a tip. Some are good and willing to please but you do get those that just show up and lay there. If that is the case, I let them know there will not be a second time. Many will also have girlfriends in the game and will set you up if you ask. I use a translator on line to type messages back and forth. But many cannot type on keyboards. Only on their phone! LOL.

I had a 24 out of the site the other night. Works at a salon down near Manga Dua. She was new and had had only 3 customers in 3 weeks. She was short hair and braces and from Bandung. She was very sweet, kept hugging and putting her head on my chest. She really needed a shave down below. And what is usually the case, in need of a cleaning down below. No idea why so many here have an odor and I really like to dine at the Y. Sent her to the bathroom and came back good and clean. Good BJ and off to the races. She actually gave me two thumbs up during the deed and said."You good". Yes I believe her. She really was that new!

I am scheduling a 3some with her and a friend for next week. As is the case in most asian countries, they will do a threesome but it is a case of taking turns or hiding in the bathroom. Been told "NO LESBIAN!" Too many times!

I am looking forward to the next 6 months especially if my Bahasa improves!

Thanks for all the reactions. I know enough now for the next time.

[QUOTE=Tommy Suharto; 1360778]Hi menteng, it was great meeting you! Maha guru. You are very well traveled, quite amazing, it was fun talking to you.

Is it the staff member you were chatting with last Thursday night? Yes, if so, I guess you are right, she would deserve a little bit better than the standard ayam fare.

I took out "career woman" last night to pisah kafe, in an area well known to you. Set me back 700k. But it was worth it. Lousy wine though, but life music and food were fantastic. Cu[/QUOTE]The staff member you saw me busy with, is a project in development. (expression copyrighted by bro Panya, how are you BTW?). The one I meant before is a MILF.

Hope to see you again when you're back.

[QUOTE=Menteng; 1362118]The staff member you saw me busy with, is a project in development. (expression copyrighted by bro Panya, how are you BTW?). The one I meant before is a MILF.

Hope to see you again when you're back.[/QUOTE]PID, sounds great, enjoy the hunt, master guru. Sharing a beer in the new year will be absolutely great. Are you still in Jakarta then? I can't wait to get back. Probably January / February depending on the cabe (chilli) in-take of my partner. Maybe I can put my new found love on the case, she doesn't take 'no' for an answer. Hehe. In that respect, as a learner driver in the online dating scene, a good exit strategy will be helpful. Being charming only works on entry, not on exit. The best thing I could think of was "I am not ready for a serious relationship". Thought that was pretty good. Crying her eyes out. It is a bit testing on the nerves in a busy shopping mall. So, if some of the seniors may have other suggestions, much appreciated!

[QUOTE=WTF0506; 1362054]Malls.

There are many reports of the malls being a good place to hunt, but I have not found that to be true. I have been to a dozen malls in Jakarta and really do not see any scene. Most of these malls are the upscale malls but have tried some of the other older malls. I do get a hungry look at times from some of the girls but in most cases I would not be interested. The previous reports, I think, were more a statement of not as many bule in the country (at that time) and poor economic times. Not saying it cannot be done and I know I will keep looking![/QUOTE]Yes, I think you are right in some respects. Finding A-grade talent in the shopping malls has never been easy and may depend on luck. It's probably a bit on the decline due to social media and globalization as well. B-grade talent is still plentiful, but there is a language barrier. Have you tried Atrium? It will be easy to find girls there, just before closing time. 8.30 to 9. 30. They are B-grade mummies or 'single parents' as they call themselves. Some C-grade, be careful. You'll find them lined up on the left hand side on exit of the mall (next to the taxi ramp). During the daytime, it is a bit more difficult and it's better if you speak bahasa. Girls are lingering in different places of the mall and are a bit harder to detect. At times you may find girls from Bogor making a daytime trip to get some cash. Regular, good looking pro's operating in the mall, are known by security and get squeezed for a little bit of money. So they come and go.

[QUOTE=Tommy Suharto;1362385]Yes, I think you are right in some respects. Finding A-grade talent in the shopping malls has never been easy and may depend on luck. It's probably a bit on the decline due to social media and globalization as well. B-grade talent is still plentiful, but there is a language barrier. Have you tried Atrium? It will be easy to find girls there, just before closing time. 8.30 to 9. 30. They are B-grade mummies or 'single parents' as they call themselves. Some C-grade, be careful. You'll find them lined up on the left hand side on exit of the mall (next to the taxi ramp). During the daytime, it is a bit more difficult and it's better if you speak bahasa. Girls are lingering in different places of the mall and are a bit harder to detect. At times you may find girls from Bogor making a daytime trip to get some cash. Regular, good looking pro's operating in the mall, are known by security and get squeezed for a little bit of money. So they come and go.[/QUOTE]In my opinion, the master of mall hunting was Bulai69. I had the pleasure to accompany him a couple of times and afterwards profited from those experiences. Look for his FR's.

The cafe downstairs at Plaza Indonesia, Excelso (?) is very strategic located for eye contact with potential company. SPG's of fragrances are, due to the nature of their job, easier to approach. (Not meaning success guaranteed!) The main thing is eye contact and the following body language.

The number of gold diggers in the malls maybe declining, but at the other hand, the number of pure amateurs who are shopping that may be in for some fun with a foreigner may have increased. Thanks to the inclining of self-awareness of women in the middle class and higher in Indonesia.

Dropped by Maribaya Bar last week for the first time for well over a year, been going down to Kota more often lately. I went at about 3pm, met a girl called Novi, skinny, small, shapely tits, friendly, fun. She did a good blow job, a bit of ball licking and sucking, and some light AR, before jumping on top to finish off. Then a nice, firm massage to finish. I enjoyed the session, I didn't regret the extra 100k that Maribaya costs compared to the Kota places. I'd try Novi again, if I was feeling lazy. But does anyone have any good recommendations for good AR performers there? Either afternoon or evening? Maybe I should branch out and try a fellow ISGers recommendation.

[QUOTE=Tommy Suharto;1362376]PID, sounds great, enjoy the hunt, master guru. Sharing a beer in the new year will be absolutely great. Are you still in Jakarta then? I can't wait to get back. Probably January / February depending on the cabe (chilli) in-take of my partner. Maybe I can put my new found love on the case, she doesn't take 'no' for an answer. Hehe. In that respect, as a learner driver in the online dating scene, a good exit strategy will be helpful. Being charming only works on entry, not on exit. The best thing I could think of was "I am not ready for a serious relationship". Thought that was pretty good. Crying her eyes out. It is a bit testing on the nerves in a busy shopping mall. So, if some of the seniors may have other suggestions, much appreciated![/QUOTE]I should be there after the New Year and before the 15th. Maybe we can all meet up with Mahaguru Menteng. The best exit strategy is to have a good entry strategy. I'm feeling philosophical today, but the statement stands and is very true.
[QUOTE=Menteng;1362410]In my opinion, the master of mall hunting was Bulai69. I had the pleasure to accompany him a couple of times and afterwards profited from those experiences. Look for his FR's.
The cafe downstairs at Plaza Indonesia, Excelso (?) is very strategic located for eye contact with potential company. SPG's of fragrances are, due to the nature of their job, easier to approach. (Not meaning success guaranteed!) The main thing is eye contact and the following body language.
The number of gold diggers in the malls maybe declining, but at the other hand, the number of pure amateurs who are shopping that may be in for some fun with a foreigner may have increased. Thanks to the inclining of self-awareness of women in the middle class and higher in Indonesia.[/QUOTE] The Mahaguru has spoken: it is a matter of keeping a sharp eye out and an open expression, preferably with a hint of a smile. Another thing would be to be better dressed, it gets a better response and catches eyes rather more than wearing jeans and a T-shirt. It may sound strange but it works. Don't restrict yourself to SPGs of fragrances, any of the girls working in any of the shops might be open to ideas. Just be prepared to put yourself forward and chat. Get them to smile and laugh and half your job's done.

MD II

[QUOTE=Master Diver II;1362486]Another thing would be to be better dressed, it gets a better response and catches eyes rather more than wearing jeans and a T-shirt. It may sound strange but it works.[/QUOTE]Without being controversial, why would it sounds strange?

Girls, everywhere in the world, are highly attuned to dressing style, and maybe even more in the "emerging" countries which are very much class societies where you have to show in which class you are in, and where no middle or upper class girl would want to be caught dead holding hands or making out with a foreigner dressed like a slob. Especially in Jakarta where upmarket women are very "fashion-conscious".

If you dress down, dress "cool" down, but it still should look expensive (fake and cheap gets you nowhere). That said, overdressing is just as bad as underdressing. My recipe is to be fashionable and refined, look like I have money but am not obsessed with it, and stay MANLY. Don't overdue the primping. I have heard women on many occassions complain about Italians being too obsessed with their hair looks, wearing shirts and tee-shirts that are emblazoned with designer names and just scream out that the wearer is hideously naff and a try hard faker.

The eye-catching fancy watch sends IMO the right message. It is a weapon that I also use. It may attract attention, but personaly I find the attention attracted to be positive. It isn't that every girl sees the watch and thinks "I want his money". It just suggests success, and women like successful men.

Just saying.

Thanks guys fro the tips on mall hunting. I admit. With no Bahasa I tend to shy away from making the approach. Will work on that.

Today, met one from DI* that did not fit my list below. She is 35 and looking for relationship. Chatted and was kinda bored so gave it to her straight what I was looking for. She said toss in a lunch and it is a deal. 145 cm and 40 kg of Indonesian meets me for lunch. Kinda cute but can see from the polyester dress that she has had a hard life. Turns out she is trilingual and a university grad. Her job was cut from the previous firm and she is a temp at a new place and living in a boarding room for women. Since I was now interested, I thought just go for it. Wow is a good adjective. A smoking body under that dress and so tiny! I was in the mood for tiny! Last boyfriend was 8 months ago and had not been touched since. This is the point where I brag, she came over 20 times (I lost count) and they were all real! She is not a pro just was looking for sex and a first time to accept money. She was amazing. On top on bottom and side by side. Even taught her how to give her first blowjob. I admit I can be a sucker for a fake story but this girl was real.

Only thing I did not like was neg. In the middle of round two. (They know they have you by the short hairs! LOL She would have been happy at 500 k (Was over 100 k each way by taxi) but I put 700K in her purse and an extra 50K for the return taxi. I will tip for a great time. But. Damn. I am sore!