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Yesterday night I had supper at the Majestic Suites. It's a hotel on Sukhumvit road between Soi 4 and 6 so it is very close from Nana.

I went there because they proposed me free Internet while I was having supper. They also have rooms at better rates than Nana: 1295 for Single with Breakfast and free Internet.

But I have to say that the meal was a total disaster, the soup was really too spicy, and the rice with seafood was good but I could easily have eaten a double portion.

While I was eating, I could read a message from Mr Enternational who explained me he couldn't come to our meeting and proposed a new one on the Nana's parking lot. When I had to pay my supper, I discovered that they would charge 10% for service + vat. So my supper with free Internet was not cheap at all (400 Bhats)! The Nana Buffet for 200 bahts is much better and for 200 bahts I could have more than an hour of Internet.

Then I walked back with my laptop till the Nana hotel and immediately found Mr Enternational. He was hanging around, talking with the Nana's parking lot's girls. I quickly left my laptop in my room and we headed toward a GoGo bar at Nana's second floor. The place was nice and we had some fun with the show and a few girls. At 1:30 am we left the place and went back to the Nana's parking lot. As The Nana's entertainment place close at 2am, Mr Enternational knew that the girl would gather on the Nana's hotel parking lot just in front of the Entertainment center. And he was right. At 2:15 the parking had maybe a 100 girls, and you wouldn't have to pay a bar fine to pick one with you for ST of LT. Prices were the same (after a small talk maybe) 1000 for ST and 2000 for LT. You could discuss and get a discount, like 1500 for LT if you know how to handle this. As I already had 2 girls that day, I didn't feel like going for a third one and wanted to have some sleep. I talked with an incredible tiny girl who accepted to comeback at 10 am the next day for BBFS. Then Mr Enternational found his girl and left with her. I decided to try to see where the other girls would go and followed some of them. I remember, that mayber 10 years ago, girl would go on Thermae to try to find a customer for the night. So I followed a group of 3 girls. They crossed and turned right on Sukhumvit This place was just packed with girls (and so many LadyBoys! ). An all night activity occurs there. A lot of girls would have supper right on tables installed on the pavement at less than 50 cm from a high traffic jam, you could also see card readers everywhere trying to read your future in their cards (and in your purse). I kept walking till Termae where some girls had gathered outside, and had a quick check in Termae but it was completely empty.

That reminds me the Nana's disco at the hotel, 10 years ago it was the place where the girls would go after 2am and it was really great as they had maybe 100 or 200 girls staring at you trying to convince you to pick them up. Then the Hotel put a fee and everything stopped. The disco, like Termae is now a dead business with no consumer at all. I kept walking till SoiCowboy but there was very little animation after Termae.

When I arrived at Soi Cowboy it was also closing down but the girls would disappeared, I wonder where?

It was 3am when I arrived to the Nana hotel. The street was now much quiet, but there were still a few girls waiting for an eventual customer, and I suppose I could have discussed a bargain but I was really tired and decide to have a good night sleep.

I waked up around 9 am, had a shower and went down for my breakfast. The Nana Hotel is not just a mongering hotel and they also have families with kids, foreign couples, and everything goes smoothly.

I bought another 4 tablets of Kamagra (it had worked fine for me) for 300 Bahts and closed a deal with a taxi for tomorrow till Pataya (1200 Bahts all included). I then wanted to change some money, but soon discovered that the place where I did it on my arrival had change its rates and was offering much less, so I looked for a better offer and found it not to far away.

Then it was 10 am, and my date didn't show up. Too bad for me, but that's the game!

Then started a very long and boring afternoon.

It's Saturday and there is almost no available girls except in massage parlors. No street activity, just traffic jam, noise and pollution.

I have returned to a restaurant where I had a very good meal 10 years ago and it was still very good and cheap. Take Sukhumvit on the right pavement towards Soi Cowboy and it's under the Metro bridge of Asok, name is Thongkee.

They serve Thai food in an air conditioned room down a few steps from the pavement. I had a big sea food soup + medium fried rice with shrimps + bottle of water for 225 Bahts.

Then I walked again and again and found nothing but the girl that asked me to stop screwing her yesterday and guess what? She wanted to go back with me telling she was feeling better! At her side there was a real nice little thing but she wouldn't go BB. At 5 pm I returned to my hotel for a shower and found another small girl, on the parking lot, not that nice looking, but ok, she remained silent for almost 1 minute after I told her I don't feel much with condom and it would have to be BB. I took her silence for a NO and walk back to my room alone and feeling bored.

I went back to the street at 6 pm; By that time the Nana's entertainment center was beginning it's night life, even if serious things won't start before 7pm.

There were also some new girls on Sukhumvit and on the Nana's parking. I talk to 2 girls who said No to BBFS and finally found a cute little doll (less than 1, 5m) on Soi 4 at less than 50 meters from the Nana hotel. She was buying some fruits to eat and, of course she smiled at me. After the usual conversation (name, country, hotel, .) I told her ok for 1000 Baths ST but BBFS. She doubted a few seconds and asked me if I was OK? I answered that I was perfectly well and with no aids and asked her how she was. Of course she told me she was ok too. She asked me for 1500 Baths and I told her that this price would include her ass. She didn't say a word but the deal was sealed and we walked till the Nana's Hotel. Once registered and in the room, she asked for a shower but she wanted to have it alone? I told her no way as I like to shower with my girls. She insisted and I had to tell her that it was together or she could leave.

She agreed at last to the common shower and I took my pill.

Once in the shower, she wanted a bath. Ok for the bath. We played a little bit together, not bad but this girl had never worked on a sloppy massage.

Once dried and on the bed I started with my favorite DATY and licked both holes, but when I tried to finger the small one she asked me not to do so. I think she enjoyed the DATY and moaned a little bit, but I could feel her stomach move. It was then time for some boum boum as they say. That was very good and she responded quite well. I was rubbing her clit with my belly while doing her. After a while I asked her to blow me. Once again she disappointed me as she was totally enable to blow or to do a HJ. I had to explain her how to do it. She was not a good student or I am not a good teacher (or both) and I stopped her. Then I tried to explain her that she should go on a BJ bar to learn how to please a man and that it's important for her profession. I don't know if she understood and I doubt she would follow the advice. So, back to boum boum again and that time I did it for long, going fast and slow alternatively, and she was moaning. Then I turned her doggy and again. I tried to enter her ass but she asked me not to do so. It took me one hour to come but it had been very good. After I came, she was breathless and remains on the bed without moving for a good 5 minutes rest. Poor girl. I had told her in the street that I'm a bad guy.

Then we showered again, I paid her 1000 (she of course asked for 1500 and I reminded her that it had to be with her ass) thanked and kiss good bye.

It's only when I tried to put her towels to dry that I noticed the red on it! She had her periods. I was amazed as I didn't detect anything when I licked her and I did it for a long time.

After writing that story, it's time for supper, then I'll see if I'm able to look for another girl for my last night in BKK.

When I walked out of my hotel, I found my Girl n°2 from yesterday. She was sad as she had arrived at 8pm and still didn't had a customer. I whished her good luck and kept walking. Shortly after turning right on Sukhumvit I found Girl 2 from my first day. She was going to work. I asked her what happened yesterday as she didn't came, but she had a personal problem. I wished her good luck and kept walking.

I have been to the only restaurant I could find, that serves fried rice with seafood in a pineapple.

It is a 100 meters before my lunch restaurant at the Asok station.

The name is Royal Thai Cuisine. Once again, a nice restaurant that turns to be no good.

I ordered a soup with chicken in coconut milk and the famous fried rice with seafood in pineapple. The soup was filled with aromatic herbs and only regular, but the fried rice didn't came in a pineapple as shown on the picture and, most important, it was really bad. I'd say the worst I had in my life for one of my favorite meal. Then I discovered that they also had 10% service + 8% vat to add to the publicized price.

On my way back, I crossed the bridge and walked back to my hotel. A lot of girls were waiting for a customer. It was 11:30pm.

I didn't see any of my previous girls, so I hope they had luck and had found some nice guys.

I went back to my hotel and slept till 1:30 am. I then went back to the Nana's parking lot and observed the action. According to some girls it was a very quite night with very little customer. I found a nice guy from LA and we remained on the parking, talking and joking with girls all the time, it was very nice and so funny as that guy had a great sense of humor.

I didn't feel very horny but I would have like to have a nice last night in BKK. Unfortunately, the 3 girls I talked to declined my BBFS demand. One agreed but she wanted 1500 and it was already 4am! I said her 1500 is with your ass and that provoked a direct refusal.

So, let's call it a night for the few hours that remains before I have to wake-up again!

End of day 3.

Ps: Thanks to all the guys who posted something for my reports.

Be sure that I do have regular check 2 & 3 months after my last BBFS holidays.

I also wanted to say that I have made some movies of my meetings, but, as I'm not the administrator of my PC, I can't install the appropriate codec and so can't process the movies. I'll try to do that back home.

Cheers

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[QUOTE=Run Mann]Are you a regular in Thailand or just on this board? If you saw the scene on a regular basis even three or four years ago and compare it to what it is now or what it was last night, you would not be asking this question.[/QUOTE]

I am a member on this board since Sept '05, but was not in LOS before '07.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was dead last night, as this is the low season
and probably considerably lower than usual even for this time of year,
considering all the problems BKK has been having. Nevertheless i hadn't
seen any significant changes in the NPL from '07 to early '09 after going
there on 100's of separate days.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]This is not a discussion about Nana Plaza bars but about Nana (Hotel) "Parking Lot" scene.[/QUOTE]

Heh heh. Oops. Never mind. ;)

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Since when is the NPL scene declining? It seems that Angels has been dead
and waiting burial for at least a year or two now, so any impact its closure
will have on the NPL should be minimal.

[/QUOTE]

There has been a definite but not exclusive correlation between the Nana Disco dying and the NPL hitting the skids. The girls shifted back and forth between the two locales like fish in a stream - trying their luck in both places. But a lot of the girls preferred the disco and only came out to NPL at closing time or just to see what was happening. Once the ND began its decline around 3 years ago with the increased door fee, many of those girls stopped coming all together and are never seen in the NPL anymore. They have shifted to other discos and that especially goes for the younger girls who like the disco scene.

The NPL barely has a pulse these days and the quality of girls has dropped considerably and their average age has increased a lot. Many nights have around 30 girls at most where a few years ago there were 75+ at 2 a.m. Now much of this is admittedly not just due to the ND or the fact that the hotel became girl unfriendly by not allowing them to use the bathrooms - but also because of the constant police harrassment and the 1000 baht fines. I know many girls who just won't set foot in NPL anymore for fear of getting caught in a police raid.

Another factor at least in my opinion is the general decline of the freelancer scene and I really can't explain why that is - but it's not only me that feels this way - many folks I talk to who live here feel the fl scene has gone to hell. There was a day when the ND, the Thermae, the NPL, Grace Hotel, the Beer Garden were all packed with girls - many many of them young and very nice. Now its really down to the Beer Garden where the girls tend to be older and the Thermae where the girls tend to be . . . let us say giving preferential treatment to the Japanese. There are other locations where they hang out like Bangkok Beat on Soi 7-1 or New Wave on Soi 7 but in relatively small numbers. The ones I know from the old days keep to the late night discos and for all I know these places may be treasure troves of FL's but I hate discos and find them really lousy places to find girls.

Now I don't want to get upset! But please before I do! don't anyone come into this thread and start reading this topic and say we need to move it or creat another set of threads! Just be patient and this will all blow over soon! Within our reports you might learn something and it does belong here!

I have been in and out of Nana Hotel, since the late 80's, and always though that it was owned by a big mafia family. Didn't the family use to operate the Soapie Ekami or somthing like that but since has closed? When it comes to police protection isn't it usually based on how much the police perceive the place is making in profits? Even if they are asking for a certain amount when the place is rocking I don't think they would be asking the same if the place was in decline?

If my memory serves me right even in December 2007, the place was full, in 2008, I was there 3 times Jan, June, December, and the decline was noticable but they still were charging 400 baht. In December 2008, they had already remodel but still they wanted to charge a entry fee which I just couldn't understand. My thinking is if you open a business and can't spend money to make money you have no business in opening one. When you open a business in Thailand like this club paying protection is a way of life. So one needs to factor that into the equation! In December of 2008, they had girls outside waving people in with their promotion 2 for 1, and it was still empty! As far as I'm concern, Rick should have let everyone in for free.. throw a party when he reopened instead of one now for closing. With Labor being so cheap he should have paid a bunch of stunners to walk up and down Sukhumvit and pass out flyers instead of having them hide in a back alley! I just don't think I will ever understand the markieting concept in Thailand.

Several years ago I was booked into a dump of a hotel! Even the Freelancer I ask to meet me there didn't want to go there! The place is Raja Hotel down from Nana Hotel! The only thing the place was good for was the water pressure the best I have ever seen or had in any hotel in Thailand. I found out that the hotel was purchased by someone in Hong Kong.. personally the place had so much potential, huge dinner room, inside a courtyard where Annies is located along with a bunch of small bars. I expressed this to the manager at the front desk years ago... today it seems to be growing... they are fixing the hotels, swimming pool, and see potential in this area... it might be the next Nana Parking lot scene. They even have Russians at the hotel!

This is my opinion as to what I view it would be interesting to hear from others! Of course to be considerate we might want to it this conversation to the Thailand Expat Forum!

LBM

I don't think you could find a soul in Thailand who would give Rick a passing grade for business acument. As dumb as a door stop. The Nana Disco had a monopolistic hold on the freelancer scene from midnight to 2.a.m. All the other discos never got started till after 2 and for many of us that is too late. So the girls could begin the night here and if they didn't get a customer they would move on to another disco after closing time. And he screwed it up. But the real idiocy is that people have been talking about how stupid the fee is ever since it hit 400 baht. All he ever had to do was spend one night watching a multitude of guys walk up to the desk - find out the price - and turn around and leave. That was money just walking away and he never had the I.Q. to change it till it was way too late. And yes - then he hires these girls to hand out flyers - puts them in the dowdiest clothes humanly possible looking like refugees from Pratunam Mall - tells them they are not allowed to go up and down the street handing them out but have to stay in front of the hotel and then - not to be cruel - picks these really plain girls to do it. One might suspect that he was trying to run the business into the ground for some personal or financial reason.

The real question is - what will they put in its place. The hotel has managed to ruin their restaurant by raising prices near double what you can get anywhere on the street - I wonder if they will be equally stupid with that space. And finally occupancy is going down - always near 95% it is I heard around 60% now - not bad in these times but there has been a lot of new hotels built - their price at 1500 baht a night is way over priced for a pretty crappy hotel and people are getting pissed off at little things like not allowing the girls to use the bathroom, stopping the daily newspaper, charging for a glass of water and so on. It used to be a circus staying there - there really is no reason to check in anymore.

I once stayed at the Rajah back in the late 90's. It was an ok hotel. Never could figure out how it went out of business in that location. The Rajah apts are as you say like the black hole of Calcutta - but at 11,000 baht a month a deal I guess. I can't see the freelance scene shifting over there though it would be nice. I just think for many reasons the fl are a slowly shrinking breed - overall fewer girls getting into the biz, sponsors taking many of the best out of the biz, more financial security working in beer bars or go-go bars, police harrassment, fewer places to work and a more dangerous work environment. That is why I think you see so many fewer young girls coming on the fl scene - they have better options.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]I am a member on this board since Sept '05, but was not in LOS before '07.
[/QUOTE]
Then you are not in a position to comment as you have no knowledge of the overall decline. I have only been going there since 2002 but even then Nana PL was much more active. I remember going there in October of 2007 and the place was very active but not as strong as in 2002. I know old timers who have been going there for much longer and can share much more information about the decline. There are also numerous posters who have commented here about the decline and the influx of LBs.

Despite all this, there's still an abundance of other options in town so I don’t want to create a chicken little, "sky is falling" scenario and NPL is definitely not for everyone. I enjoyed that scene more for the festive circus atmosphere than anything else.

[quote=tansak ktv]i'm not that old but the closing is making me feel old now... thanks guys... you've depressed me... guess i'll have to get a bj to put the smile back on my face.[/quote]


[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is right around the corner and bjs are still only 700b per head.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Then you are not in a position to comment as you have no knowledge of the overall decline. I have only been going there since 2002 but even then Nana PL was much more active. I remember going there in October of 2007 and the place was very active but not as strong as in 2002. I know old timers who have been going there for much longer and can share much more information about the decline. There are also numerous posters who have commented here also about the decline and the influx of LBs.

Despite all this, there's still an abundance of other options in town so I don’t want to create a chicken little, "sky is falling" scenario and NPL is definitely not for everyone. I enjoyed that scene more for the festive circus atmosphere than anything else.[/QUOTE]

First time in Thailand was for me 1992, though at that time I were mostly in Patpong area. Kings Lodge or the GoGos in Patpong were my hunting ground. Than I did were some years in Brazil and I came back to Thailand in about 2002.

At this time the Nana Disco, Biergarten and Suk Soi 4 were very good places for FL. Nowadays the FL have found other playgrounds.
SW are in Soi 4, Soi 3 and lower Sukhumvit between Soi3 and Soi7. Even African and CIS SW can be found. Thermae were down in the early 2000, imho. Now, Thermae is a good hunting ground, for guys whose are into younger pretty girls. Though these girls are a bit picky.
After midnight the whole left Sukhumvit street from Soi3 to Soi Asoke turns into a FL Area. Many small street bars opens and there you can find many FL's.
Than there are various Late Night Discos, though I have to admit they start late.
Nevertheless there is alot of opportunities. Yesterday for example I found a Freelancer in Chuvit Park Sukhumvit Soi 10. I went to read a book. Opposite were a girl constantly flirting with me. She was pretty, but to skinny for my taste. Nevertheless I start a talk with her, because I had compassion with her. She told me that her weight is 37 kg, I guess she was 1,50 m. I told her that despite she is pretty, she did not make me horny, since I like curvy girls.
She replied that before she had 49 kg, but most Farangs like skinny girls and so she took a diet.
Well, what I want to say, is that the FL are still there, only they are not more at the same places.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I gotta say that I had very poor experiences at NPL for about the last two years and never really stop there. I do not like the noise of Spice / Spicy / CM2 and others. I'm just not a bar / disco kind of guy. Thermane, little luck there. But overall the FL scene is kind of on a down ward trend FOR ME which is a shame as I really like one FL I caught. YMMV.

I'm not that old but the closing is making me feel old now... thanks guys... you've depressed me... guess I'll have to get a BJ to put the smile back on my face.[/QUOTE]

I, on the other hand, like the noise of CM2 and am grateful to Tansak KTV for getting me in there the first time. I was there again last night, I think my second time. I wasn't shopping as I'd brought my own sandwich (and her underdressed katoey BFF... a story for another post perhaps [tennis shoes with no laces, t-shirt, 3/4 length jeans]) . I assume I'd like the noise of Spice / Spicy / Bossy.

I used to dance the night away in the Angels Disco and though I'm saddened that it is closing, my lack of visiting didn't help matters I guess.

Between my late night triple courses of sandwich and visits to Snow White Friday and the not-to-be-mentioned flower shop yesterday, the closing of the disco just isn't enough to wipe the smile off my face.

By the way, lots of lookers in CM2 last night but the current band sucks! I imagine their gig on an old-timer cruise line got canceled and they decided to try their luck in Bangkok. The previous band had much more energy.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Now I don't want to get upset! But please before I do! don't anyone come into this thread and start reading this topic and say we need to move it or creat another set of threads! Just be patient and this will all blow over soon! Within our reports you might learn something and it does belong here![/QUOTE]

You didn't hear? The new process soon to be in effect is a separate thread for each Soi with exclusionary threads where you can talk about everything on that Soi save the places that people actually have information about. Those threads will be relegated to the threads aptly titled which will also list all the topics not to be discussed in that thread.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]
Personally from my experience these words are the worse in Thailand

1. up to you
2. Mei pen Rai

The definition of these two is a cop out for making a decision or taking responsibility for that decision. It is so gray, that if you go right! you're wrong and if you go left you're wrong! If you guess wrong you're fucked but you won't know until it's too late!

Next time, just stick it in her bag and smile and say " up to me " This country is like no other. That's why they call it the LOS!

LBM[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]#1 is the biggest friggin problem. You can't win. Too low you are bad and too high you are marked. There is no winning on #1. Never accept #1.

If you try to pay and they say #2 then you can stick something in the pocket and kiss them goodbye and say taxi money or go shopping etc...[/QUOTE]

When I took a very popular girl for the night, and asked how much she wanted, I got the "up to you". Now I was not going to knock her back just because she wouldn't name a price. There are many girls too shy to name a price. There are establishments where the rules state that the girls are not allowed to start naming prices and create a price escalation war. Like who is the top girl who can get the most money per booking?

You guys just simply have to work out a fair price that is likely to satisfy the girl and tip extra if the experience was fantastic. Problems really only occurs if you are stingy and underpay. If really not sure, you can ask the girl again for guidance later. Like "Would she be happy with X or not really?", or "I have heard that most guys pay about X, is that right?"

Not being a stingy type, I have never been able to detect any problems. Sometimes the girl was plesantly suprised.
Usually then girls would happily go with me again, no discussion necessary.

If you are in Thailand, you just have to put up with the "its up to you". Its all too common. Smart girls that really give a good time believe they end up getting more this way than with hard bargaining in the long run.

Hi Barko,

Thanks for your PM with lot of details.

As a new comer to Bankok it was really exciting to know lot of informations right before I land there. Got an excellnent overview on how to go wild during this visit. Will follow your guidelines

Cheers,

Luca

[QUOTE=DRRonin]There has been a definite but not exclusive correlation between the Nana Disco dying and the NPL hitting the skids. The girls shifted back and forth between the two locales like fish in a stream - trying their luck in both places. But a lot of the girls preferred the disco and only came out to NPL at closing time or just to see what was happening. Once the ND began its decline around 3 years ago with the increased door fee, many of those girls stopped coming all together and are never seen in the NPL anymore. They have shifted to other discos and that especially goes for the younger girls who like the disco scene.

The NPL barely has a pulse these days and the quality of girls has dropped considerably and their average age has increased a lot. Many nights have around 30 girls at most where a few years ago there were 75+ at 2 a.m. Now much of this is admittedly not just due to the ND or the fact that the hotel became girl unfriendly by not allowing them to use the bathrooms - but also because of the constant police harrassment and the 1000 baht fines. I know many girls who just won't set foot in NPL anymore for fear of getting caught in a police raid.

Another factor at least in my opinion is the general decline of the freelancer scene and I really can't explain why that is - but it's not only me that feels this way - many folks I talk to who live here feel the fl scene has gone to hell. There was a day when the ND, the Thermae, the NPL, Grace Hotel, the Beer Garden were all packed with girls - many many of them young and very nice. Now its really down to the Beer Garden where the girls tend to be older and the Thermae where the girls tend to be . . . let us say giving preferential treatment to the Japanese. There are other locations where they hang out like Bangkok Beat on Soi 7-1 or New Wave on Soi 7 but in relatively small numbers. The ones I know from the old days keep to the late night discos and for all I know these places may be treasure troves of FL's but I hate discos and find them really lousy places to find girls.[/QUOTE]

I'd agree 100%. I remember when going out on Friday or Saturday nights to the BG or Thermae meant huge numbers of gals that one never saw during the week showing up to supplement regular jobs and have some fun....these days, there are 98% the same faces on a pretty continual basis, and yes, often far older...maybe it is just old timers getting nostalgic, but darn, even 3-4 years ago, i dont remember ever being asked "how much," ST v. LT, or being told "not enough." 1000 baht usually had the gals doing the washing the next day and talking about moving in and both parties appeared to leave satisfied with everything...those days are long long gone, or at least down to the odd diamond in the rough

[QUOTE=Pita123]I, on the other hand, like the noise of CM2 and am grateful to Tansak KTV for getting me in there the first time. I was there again last night, I think my second time. I assume I'd like the noise of Spice / Spicy / Bossy.[/QUOTE]

You would like the other ones. We'll hook up on soi 11 and some other places next time OK. I fell like being a bastard for a while.