Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2296917]
Definitely _L_ for _R_, Syzygies, I was listening carefully. You are right that it is not the same kind of substitution that you hear for Japanese speakers of English, but definitely "welly" for "very". I'm not doubting your linguistic acumen, but just saying, I was paying attention. The girl said she was from Bangkok, and even made a joke that because of her flat nose, people often think she is from Isaan. But she's a Bangkok girl through and through. So I have no answer for you, except for maybe we need more data on this issue.
[/QUOTE]Not really. Who can listen carefully in a noisy place like the Thermae?

Your ears must be very different to mine. Ha ha quite possible. I have studied Asian languages, especially Thai, so may make a difference to what our ears are accustomed to hear. However I still trouble to pick difference in certain Thai sounds. Difference between a Thai B and unaspirated P is quite subtle, the second just lacking a throat vibration. Thai consonant sounds at end of words are quite weak and indistinct at times.

Anyway as 95% of Thais have no tongue flick on the top teeth when trying to make an L sound (and certainly not for an 'R' sound), it just does not sound like an English L where I come from. Is the tongue flick not critical to make an L sound right? It is for me. Thai 'R' sound is not that far away from English 'R' in my opinion, just wider mouth (in the horizontal plane). If I make an L sound in Thai, it is very hard for me to not flick the top teeth or palette with my tongue, since it is just automatic for English speakers. Not many westerners know any technicalities of pronunciation, they just do it automatically.

To a certain extent, we hear what we want to hear and what our ears are trained for, and that starts with Thais not pronouncing English words in the normal way. Farangs can sound equally silly with Thai pronunciation being well off. American Thai (with a US drawl) sounds the funniest to me, because Americans tend to make short Thai words sound longer than they actually should be. No doubt my Thai sounds funny as well to the Thais, mostly due to messing up the tones at times.

Never heard a distinct "Welly" in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2297112]
And in many ways their standards are lower. I see 20's and early 30's Asian dudes with gals I wouldn't take a second glance at. And I assume they are way less demanding sexually. I've seen younger Asian dudes taking the super oldies in Tulip as well. Very odd. Back in the day the Japanese dudes always had the best lookers.[/QUOTE]Don't you find that young Asian guys are generally walking with a higher standard of girl for looks than the Western guys? I am ignoring now all those guys walking with Ladyboys, or girls with high surgeries, but for the natural looking girls that remain and very pretty, I think the Asian guys got most of them. Don't see many Asian guys walking with absolute dogs (or don't notice it)! Many guys in here are saying the girl's face does not matter for a fuck. Maybe the Asian guys are bit more discerning although I have seen Japanese guys call out the ugliest girl in Baccarat (for my taste) but was probably mainly caused by surgeries. Actually Baccarat did have a lot of plain faced girls last time I went there (also some good lookers hidden somewhere in the huge crowd of girls).

I suppose I don't notice so much all the ugly girls. Can ignore them. I pay attention to the pretty ones, and mostly seem to be with Asian guys.

At least Asian guys leave some of the darker skinned pretty girls for me. LOL I don't mind if skin is not that white.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2296897]Thais trying to say the letter "R" in an English word does not sound like "L" in my opinion, at least in most words.

Quite the reverse. On my first trip to Thailand the Tuk Tuk driver appeared to say "Frame Tree" when was supposed to be "Flame Tree".

So I heard plenty of "wery good" here in Thailand but never "Welly". Could your girl actually not have been Thai? Viet or Chinese ?[/QUOTE]Could be from Isaan or Laos. The Lao languange has no are in it, hence they say falang not farang.

I speak better, altough still poor, Lao than Thai and always get words mixed up, so I get a lot of laughs from some girls.

I awoke at the ungodly hour of 6 am on Friday morning. I had set my alarm for 8 am, having to be in to work by 9:30, and I have no idea why I woke up at 6 am. Yes I do. Fuckin' jet lag. It sucks getting old.

So on 5 hours of sleep, off I plodded to work to try to impress the good folks who paid for my fucking vacat-, errr, business trip. I managed to hold it together, but as the day drew to a close, I could feel the fatigue taking over. On the skytrain back, my legs ached, my head was pounding, and my eyes were swollen and dry. There was only one thing that could help with these symptoms, and we all know what that is. Right. A visit to NEP.

So I grabbed some dinner on the way back to the hotel, then went to the hotel to shower, and then before heading over to NEP, I walked over to Ploenchit Plaza for that Starbucks. I tanked up on a triple shot Americano and sat there a good 30 minutes to let it take effect. As I walked out, I was positively giddy with adrenaline. So I started prancing back to NEP, but on a whim, when I got to the corner of soi 4, jacked up on caffeine as I was, I decided to take a quick detour to check out the ladies of Grace Hotel. I had no intention of pulling anyone from there, but I always liked the carnival when I was a kid, and this was a way of reliving my childhood. As I walked over, I noticed how much more Arab this area has become. Only 2 years ago, this place was definitely the Arab quarter, but now the music is louder, the smell of sandalwood is more intense, the hijabs are more plentiful, and the beggars have miraculously donned kufis and thawbs.

It was still a bastard walking up there. There were so many slow walkers, and dripping sewer pipes, and broken sidewalks, I was not enjoying this brilliant idea I had. Anyway, I finally got to the Grace Hotel, and what I found was immensely amusing to me. All the girls were a cut below what I am used to. They were all overweight, without exception. There must have been 20 girls or so, spread around the exit to the driveway for the hotel, and up the side of the driveway. They were clearly loitering, so they were definitely working girls. The amusing part was that there was a group of brown men, almost definitely Indian, parading around them in a circle, just like in Thermae. The circle was more of an oval, going up the left side of the driveway about 50 meters and the down the other side. The men were chatting with each other strategizing who would take which girl, and it all looked just very reminiscent of Thermae. But the girls in Thermae are far, far more attractive, even the unattractive ones.

But it warmed my heart to think that these guys came all the way from India for this, and they were getting their freak on. And probably at a price that pleases. So good for them.

Anyway, having had my condescending little chuckle, I walked back over to NEP. As I approached, I spied a very decent line-up of girls at the Nana Hotel sign. There must have been 15 girls there ranging in quality from 4's to 7's I would say. That ain't bad for a parking lot girl. I was half tempted, but I thought I wanted to do the tour of NEP. It's been far too long.

First stop, as is my custom, was Mandarin, the upstairs one. I walked in and almost as soon as my ass got onto the swivel stool, a lecherous gogo "girl" in her 40's was standing next to me. This was before I had even ordered a drink, she was standing there looking at me expectantly. I did not even acknowledge her at first, irritated as I was. But eventually, as she crept closer and closer, I had to give her a little look, only enough to say "There. Now fuck off. " And fuck off she did.

The line up at Mandarin was not particularly compelling. There was one girl, #197, who had a very proportionate body, if somewhat plain. Her face was pretty, but the fake eye lashes were a dead giveaway that once she cleans that face off, what remains will be a very plain face too. But her body was indeed very doable, and so I kept my eye on her.

Other than her, there was not even one other girl I would want to bar fine, out of a total of around 15 girls. So I watched to see what would happen when the second shift comes on, which happened within 10 minutes. And when the rotation happened, it became clear that Mandarin was not getting Kumbu's cash tonight. As I was about to check-bin, a Japanese dude to my left pulled #197, and she skittered off to remove those lashes and show him what a fucking mistake he just made.

As I left, Mama San protested loudly and cheerfully that I had not even finished my drink. I told her I needed to walk, and I might return if I see nothing else, and she said with great confidence, "Ah, so you WILL come back. " Mama Sans, you got to love 'them.

Next was Rainbow 4. I walked in and was ushered to a bleacher seat on the right as you enter. I was squeezed between a middle aged Japanese dude and a youngish Korean dude. The Japanese guy was so vigorously working a toothpick in his mouth that it looked like he was fornicating with it. And the Korean bloke had an unusually pungent body odor. And don't say anything about kim chee: it wasn't the kim chee, it was just a lack of bathing.

Anyway, I sat, ordered my G&T, and then surveyed the scene. The long strip of a stage had around 10 girls on it, none of which were proportioned appropriately. The closest we had was a girl placed right in front of me, and she was eyeing me a little too hard. I hate it when they try TOO hard, since it usually means a shark-like experience. So I did my best to ignore her, and before my drink was done, I decided to bail. That was 20 minutes in my life I won't ever get back.

Third stop: Bill Board, which by the title of this post, you can probably gather was where I struck gold. As I walked in, the first thing that jumped out at me was just how much energy there was in here. The place was [B]packed[/B], both with men and with WGs. Moreover, the makeup of the customer base was decidedly different, especially from Rainbow 4. While the latter was composed mostly of Asians, Billboard was a much more eclectic mix. It was predominantly white dudes, but there were plenty of Asians and others in there too.

I was ushered to a seat at the carousel (I [I]think[/I] this place called Carousel a few years ago), which is a big rotating stage filled with dancing girls. I think of it as catnip for mongers. I sat down and ordered my regular. As I waited, I looked at the girls, and it was such a stupefying experience. Remember, I am a leg man, and so anything leg-related gets me going up to 100%. Sitting at the edge of the carousel, you are inches from the girls as they circle you. Your head is leg level, and to see the rest of their bodies, you have to crane your neck all the way up. That's a painful position to be in for any more than a few seconds. Moreover, when you look up like that, the stage lights are (off and on) in your face, making it even harder to do. So you have no option but to look at the legs. It's just a gorgeous, cum-inducing forest of variably shaped legs, spinning past you in constant procession. It's how I imagine heaven to be: just pleasure everywhere you look.

I was fucking loving it. I just let go and allowed myself to focus on the most beautiful parts of the ladies: some were big, some were small, some were skinny, some were shapely, and slowly I started to pick out the winners and losers. Once I found a winner, I would follow that pair of legs around the carousel so I could see it from all directions. And once I knew its shape, only then would I look up and down to check the rest of the girl.

It was a fun few minutes, because it was cut short by a tap on the shoulder. I looked around, and there before me stood a youngish looking, well built girl sporting braces, fake lashes and a perm. She smiled at me, and the dazzle of the braces rivaled the spotlights in my face. I squinted, and she stopped her smile, and she hesitated. The squint was ambiguous: was I displeased? Was I tired? She needed to sus me out. I did not look down at her legs or her ass, but I could see through my peripheral vision that she was well built. She had a substantial frame, excellent hips, and I could feel the silkiness of her thighs against my arm. I could do this. I could.

So I motion to her to come closer, and she squeezes in between me and the Japanese guy next to me and places herself between my legs. I was on a stool, remember, next to the carousel, so there was not much room. We do the pleasantries (name=inaudible, later determined to be Phammy, see below; age=23 years; from Bangkok, not Isaan). As our pleasantries unfolded, she was facing away from me, and had her butt squarely pushed into my crotch. She was rubbing it up and down very shamelessly, working very hard for a possible LD. She then took my left hand and placed it on her ass, atop her spandex shorts, and put my right hand into her top, right against her nipple. She then squeezed my hand, thereby causing my hand to squeeze her boobs. They were real, and definitely a full-see-sized cup. Yummy. Given my expedition into Breastland the night before, this was turning into a trip full of great mammaries (heh).

She spies an empty seat in the back and asks if we should move, to which I eagerly agree. We get to our new spot and she mounts me, pulls open her shorts to reveal her close-cropped pussy hair and puts my hand onto that. I rub with great delight, my other hand on one boob or the other. My hands then switch over to her ass, which feels super firm and round, and I squeeze with great pleasure. We're talking a little, here and there, but mostly just doing the gogo girl seduction. It's well practiced, but fun nonetheless.

Along comes mama san, and so the LD arrives soon thereafter, and by this point it was a foregone conclusion that I was heading home with this lovely lass in tow. After sipping drinks for a few minutes, she reaches down and rubs little kumbu. She says "What's that? And before I could come up with a half-witted response, she says "Hot dog! It's hot dog! I love to eat hot dog! Daay mai?" Ok, then, that's a serious sign, no? I kid around, and I say "No, not hot dog, just peanuts" She laughs, and says "I like hot dog, I want to eat hot dog. And can eat peanuts too!

Check-fucking-BINNNNN!

Mama san says 700 BF and 3000ST, all paid to mama san. I object, and say 700 BF for mama san, but everything else to the lady with the delightful bottom. Mama san objects, I raise my eye brows, mama san begins to explain procedure, girl in my lap protests for everyone to calm down. I look at mama san right in the eye and say only BF to mama san, everything else to lady, and mama san pauses, ponders a moment, and finally sees the wisdom in this new plan. Why didn't she think of this before? Such an elegant solution, perhaps this will catch on.

So off we go, into the clammy night of BKK, hand in hand, prancing through the crowds of soi 4 and onto Suk for the short trip to the Landmark. As we walk, she is chattering on about this or that, and every once in a while the words hot dog and peanuts pop up, resulting in a reflex quiver of little kumbu. And as I walk, we have to swerve people, move between pillars and dripping water, and so sometimes I walk in front of her holding hands, and sometimes we switch, with her in front of me, holding my hand. In this latter configuration, I get to see her figure in all its splendor. She's wearing a one-piece sun dress, and holy fuck is she fetching in that dress. It is kind of clingy, and very short, revealing all the tasty parts. Her ass is round and largish, and her legs are long and shapely, just like I like 'them, and her breasts, well, we already know how ample they are. But the rest of her is super trim. Her waist is very slim, and her hips are wide, making for a pretty incredible figure. She's clearly young, since having such a trim waist is not something older gals can pull off. This is going to be good. She walks with a tom-boyish bounce, which is also very alluring.

We get into the room and she throws herself onto the bed, sighing in relief from the heat. She flashes a metal-filled grin at me, and I wonder how that interferes with hot-dog consumption. We shall find out. So we chat for a while. She tells me that she is a college student by day, studying logistics. I ask her what that is, and she struggles to explain. I ask her why she is studying logistics, and she says she wants to work in many different places, and logistics lets her do that. She then pulls out her phone and starts showing me pictures of her in real life. And OMG, the difference is amazing. The pictures on the phone are with no make up, no frizzly hair, no lashes, and regular everyday clothes. And she looks like a very ordinary person you would pass on the BTS. I'the probably check out her legs on the BTS (I check out everyone's legs, for fucks sake), but I would not think twice about her. So the metamorphosis into gogo-girl extraordinaire is pretty impressive.

She showers, then me, and then it begins. She lies down and I run my hands over her silky body. Shit, man, is there anything more fulfilling than having a pliable, gorgeous, fit, shapely young 23 year old lying there, with your hands running greedily all over them? I just took in the sensual sparks, and savored every moment of it. Her skin was indeed as silky now after the shower as it was back in Billboards. Sometimes when the lotion washes off the skin becomes rougher, but not hers. She still had the natural emollients of youth.

I rub her neck, her breasts, and her totally flat belly. I ask her what her name is again, and she says it again, and I can't quite get it. She looks at me like I am dumb and says "You cannot read?" Huh? She points to a tattoo above her right breast with some lettering on it. I look closer and it says "Phammy". I said "That's your name? Yes, like a steer that has been branded, in case she gets lost in the wilderness. 23 year old Phammy: remember it.

Her back was defined and taught, with no flab or excess fat at all. Her waist, as alluded to before, was as tight at human waists come. It wasn't a small waist, in that she was naturally girthy, but it was as fit as you can imagine. And then her hips flared out like the explosive fireworks on the 4th of July. Wide, gorgeous hips, sporting a round, soft, but firm doublet of butt cheeks. I rubbed and massaged them, enjoying how they bounced back to form. I was eager to get to her legs, but before I could enjoy those little treats, she got impatient and proclaimed in a loud voice, "I hungry!

She gets up, pushes me over, and takes a look at me. She looks at my hairy chest, flat belly and longish dick, and just busts out laughing. She says, "You do pumping?" I looked at her with a blank expression, to which she gives me the bicep clench, indicated pumping iron. I said, "little bit", with a Thai accent, where the Ts are pronounced differently; Syzygies, no comments on this please 😉. But why was she laughing, you ask? Well, she said to me "Why you have strong this (pointing to my pecs), you have nice this (my flat belly), but then you THIS" and she slaps at my smallish (but definitely visible) love handles. I mean, she just slaps me there, like I'm a piece of meat! How embarrassing! She then giggles, and slaps me there again, with a coquettish grin.

Such devilish play, I can play devil right back. So I gently put my hands on her cheek, and then say "Shhhh", and I slowly start to push her head down, and I say "You are so hungry, aren't you?" and I move her head down to my crotch region. She laughs out loud and shoves me playfully.

But then she goes in for the kill. She kisses around a little, then finally, FINALLY, takes little kumbu into her mouth. She sucks up and down for a little, showing some skill, but not really an expert. I mean, Thai girls are not particularly good at BJ, so I was not expecting much. But the fact that she was doing all of this on her own initiative was a big plus. Anyway it was doing the trick, since gobs of precum were dribbling out of little Kumbu, and she was taking it all.

And true to her word, she eats the hot dog. She takes it all in, BBBJ, and sucks for around 3-4 minutes. As BJs go, that ain't bad. But finally, the precum was getting the better of her (and to be fair, that's something I'm aware of: I produce copious amounts of precum, far more than most). So she pulled out, and I thought that was the end, but no. She pulls little Kumbu, distended as he was, lifts him up, and the takes a look at my balls.

I had shaved my balls a few days earlier, so they were not hairy, but there was a slight stubble. She could see this, but went in any way. She went down deep, lifting little Kumbu up, lifting my balls up, and she went straight for the taint! What?! When was the last time you had a Thai WG do this without prodding?! She put her tongue flat against my taint, wiggled a little, and then purposefully dragged it up the middle and up over my balls onto the base of little Kumbu.

My whole body exploded with sensation. It was like I had stuck my dick into an electrical outlet. I shivered and spasmed; so intense was the experience that little Kumbu lost all power and he deflated within a matter of 5 seconds! I mean seriously, it was such a shock to the system that my erection dissipated during the course of this most magnificent of maneuvers! I felt she was due some applause, or a golf clap, or something. But I could not breathe: my body was still in the state of electrical rigor mortis.

A moment passed, and I was able to finally suck in a lungful of air, and just like that, she was back down in the trenches again, wiggling the taint. Oh for the love of god! And before I could protest or prepare myself, the tongue washed up over my balls. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

And then a third time, this time it was followed by some ball suckling, first left, then right. My erection was totally gone, and all that remained was oozing from the now flaccid head. I could not take this any more: it was just too much! So I pulled away, and finally got a few breaths of air. Shit madam, you fuckin' WIN, OK?

She giggles, and says "I like. " And I slur back at her "I likhhhh choo".

She sees the loss of the Honorable Little Kumbu, so she offers her breasts to him. She places him squarely between her ample cleavage and starts giving him a little boob job.

BING! We're up and running again. Soon thereafter, she pulls on Mr Trojan, and we do it CG for a while. She moans and groans, for a while, then says she wants me to do her doggie. I mean, she literally says "doggie please". I didn't understand her at first, until she gets into the position and slowly points to her backside like I am some kind of retard. Shit Kumbu, get it together.

So I get on my knees and mount her. Mmmmmmmm. You boys don't need to read what happens next, because it's quite predictable. I tried to resist, but doggie is my weakness. Hips, butthole, butt cheeks, thighs, lovely arched back, pressure just in the right spots: Kumbu has no chance. In the technical literature this is referred to as asymmetrical warfare. It just ain't fair.

So end in a gush of delight and regret, did I. I held on to her wide hips for a while, and she giggled the whole time. What a treat she has been. This is what keeps us coming back again and again: the unexpected peaks separated by inevitable valleys.

So we shower, I offer her 3500 baht, ponder the possibility of a repeat. She tells me that unless it is Fri, Sat or Sun night, she cannot do it. I consider my schedule, and it seems that a repeat is not on the books. So I kiss her on the cheek, pat her on the bum, and usher her out of the hotel. Kumbu has some sleeping to do.

I slept like a fucking baby that night: the first good night's sleep since arriving. Thank you Dr. Phammy, for your electric shock therapy. It worked like a charm.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2297167]Don't you find that young Asian guys are generally walking with a higher standard of girl for looks than the Western guys? [/QUOTE]I don't particularly notice Asian guys "walking" with any girls. I see them take the girls from places like Baccara for short times, but if I walk around terminal 21, I do not see those Asian guys walking around with any girls at all.

I do think the hookers prefer Asian guys due to the 3-3-3 rule. (3 inches for 3 seconds for 3000 baht).

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2297262]

I slept like a fucking baby that night: the first good night's sleep since arriving. Thank you Dr. Phammy, for your electric shock therapy. It worked like a charm.[/QUOTE]I rarely read so long reports, but I'm glad I read this. Great FR.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2297304]I rarely read so long reports, but I'm glad I read this. Great FR.[/QUOTE]Yeah its like a cheesy novel in Playboy in the old days.

Sounds like he had a fun night, but all too much effort for me. Thermae, Spasso or Mixx for my usual hunts.

Went to Soi Cowboy last night a little after 10 PM. Was going to check out Crazy House but the door guys were charging 100 baht entry fee, and, surprisingly, to East Asians. They were paying the 100 baht without batting an eye. I thought it is crazy to pay to enter a gogo bar so I left. I don't understand how Crazy House can get away with this. Hopefully it will not start a trend.

Went instead to Baccara. Bought one of their over-priced drinks outside so I could enter. Packed with guys. It is definitely an Asian clientele gogo, with Asian guys outnumbering farang by about 8 to 1. Girl quality somewhat better than the other gogos I had recently gone to. 2nd and 3rd floor had the topless girls but around 10:45 PM a new shift came on both floors but they never took off their tops. I wonder if management had been tipped off to keep their girls covered for some reason, or perhaps they only go topless while there is the requirement that you buy a drink outside before you can enter, as when I left after realizing that no tits were going to be exposed, there was no guy holding the drink sign and guys were walking in with no drinks. One incident reminded me why I think scammer types become gogo girls. I was sitting downstairs next to an Asian guy who was with an attractive girl. She went to get a lady drink, came back and took one sip, then left, came back dressed and left with him, the lady drink on the table practically full. The 3000 baht ST fee wasn't enough for her? She had to make him waste an extra 220 baht just so she could get an extra 80 baht or so commission?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2297565]Was going to check out Crazy House but the door guys were charging 100 baht entry fee, and, surprisingly, to East Asians. [/QUOTE]Anyone supporting this club is a fool. Who pays to enter a gogo bar? I guess there are too many guys like myself who walk in and out of CH because the girls aren't hot.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2297565]Was going to check out Crazy House but the door guys were charging 100 baht entry fee, and, surprisingly, to East Asians.

Went instead to Baccara. Bought one of their over-priced drinks outside so I could enter. [/QUOTE]So they wanted to charge you 100 baht to get into Crazy House, then you went to Baccara and they forced you go buy a drink in order to enter?

I've visited both places over a hundred times. I have never been asked to pay to get into Crazy House, and only once in 20 years have they asked me to buy a drink before I entered Baccara. I am not sure what was so special about that one night at Baccara, but it was about 10 years ago and I refused to do that and moved on. Stupid move on their part because I normally buy around 3000 baht worth of drinks in the place when I do go there.

I'd be curious to know why both of those places asked you to pay before entering.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2297580]So they wanted to charge you 100 baht to get into Crazy House, then you went to Baccara and they forced you go buy a drink in order to enter?

I've visited both places over a hundred times. I have never been asked to pay to get into Crazy House, and only once in 20 years have they asked me to buy a drink before I entered Baccara. I am not sure what was so special about that one night at Baccara, but it was about 10 years ago and I refused to do that and moved on. Stupid move on their part because I normally buy around 3000 baht worth of drinks in the place when I do go there.

I'd be curious to know why both of those places asked you to pay before entering.[/QUOTE]You seem to be implying that there is something particular about me that made them ask me to pay before entering.

I wasn't asked to pay at Crazy House. I saw that they were asking the East Asian guys to pay the money. Since East Asians are their primary clientele, I figured there was no way they were going to let me in without paying, so never even tried to get in. Had it been South Asians they were asking the money from, I would have tried to get in without paying the 100 baht.

I was not personally asked to buy a drink before entering at Baccara. There was a guy by the door on a stool with a big sign to get a drink before entering, which I did, along with all the other people that were doing the same. As I stated, at around 11 PM the guy and the sign were gone.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2297580]So they wanted to charge you 100 baht to get into Crazy House, then you went to Baccara and they forced you go buy a drink in order to enter?

I've visited both places over a hundred times. I have never been asked to pay to get into Crazy House, and only once in 20 years have they asked me to buy a drink before I entered Baccara. I am not sure what was so special about that one night at Baccara, but it was about 10 years ago and I refused to do that and moved on. Stupid move on their part because I normally buy around 3000 baht worth of drinks in the place when I do go there.

I'd be curious to know why both of those places asked you to pay before entering.[/QUOTE]I was at Baccara about 2 weeks ago and both nights I was told to pay for a drink to enter. IIRC everything was 190 b or more. I'm Asian and with more were a Thai, a Caucasian, a middle eastern, and a mixed dude that I don't remember what he was, but he has some Filipino in him. Both nights the place were almost full and full of Asians.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2297584]You seem to be implying that there is something particular about me that made them ask me to pay before entering.

I wasn't asked to pay at Crazy House. I saw that they were asking the East Asian guys to pay the money. Since East Asians are their primary clientele, I figured there was no way they were going to let me in without paying, so never even tried to get in. Had it been South Asians they were asking the money from, I would have tried to get in without paying the 100 baht.

I was not personally asked to buy a drink before entering at Baccara. There was a guy by the door on a stool with a big sign to get a drink before entering, which I did, along with all the other people that were doing the same. As I stated, at around 11 PM the guy and the sign were gone.[/QUOTE]I was also asked to pay 100 Baht before entering Crazy House.

CH & Baccara: On busy nights the doormen at both places will ask customers they do not recognize to buy a drink before entering.

At Baccara the old rough & tough doorman who has been there forever still remembers me from my frequent Mini nights so he just waives me in whenever I go there. I always say good evening to him.

Over at CH a much younger and apparently inexperienced doorman tried to block my way one time and he requested that I buy a drink before entering. I refused and called for my favorite mamasan inside to came out and straighten the guy out since I am a fairly regular CH customer. My Mamasan came out, vouched for me, and I was let in without any further ado. My request was not extraordinary since I always run up a tab there and most of the people inside know this. Then on another night a different young CH doorman attempted to block my way again, but fat waitress who I know quite well was standing outside with some bar girls and she told the guy to let me in and then she escorted me inside to my favorite seating area. Funny, later that night as I was leaving with my 2 CH repeat girls the same doorman tried to hit me up for a tip. I ignored him. I only tip people who treat me well and come thru for me like my fat waitress. I do not tip people who treat me like a nobody. Maybe he will learn to differentiate. I don't care. But, I was not troubled at the front door since that ocasion although I expect it might happen again on a busy night since I have been out of town since late October.

The only reason I would not want to buy a drink would be if there is nowhere to sit down. Sometimes both Crazy House and Baccara get very busy. If I can't sit down, I don't want to be there.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2297709]The only reason I would not want to buy a drink would be if there is nowhere to sit down. Sometimes both Crazy House and Baccara get very busy. If I can't sit down, I don't want to be there.[/QUOTE]There are three reasons I will not buy a drink in advance. You just stated the 1st ie if the place is too crowded and there is nowhere to sit although if I am there to see a particular girl then this reason does not apply. The 2nd reason arises when I want to check out a new place or a bar I have not been to for some time. I don't want to buy a drink in any Go Go if none of their girls interest me. Sometimes I will walk into a bar, walk around the bar, and walk right out in a mater of seconds. No drink. Of course I only act this way in marginal quality bars, bars that I do not usually frequent, but hey, I am giving them a chance by walking in. If they have one nice looking girl I will take a seat, buy a drink, and most likely buy a drink for the girl and possibly do a barfine. If they don't have any decent looking girls, they have lost me as a customer for another couple of years. 555. The 3rd reason I do not want to buy a drink at the door is the reason I gave in my previous post ie that when I am a regular, repeat customer at particular bar, I don't feel that I should be treated like a newbie walk in. I require that the bar treat me good like a valued, returning, repeat customer or it won't remain as one of my favorite bars for much longer.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2297716]There are three reasons I will not buy a drink in advance. You just stated the 1st ie if the place is too crowded and there is nowhere to sit although if I am there to see a particular girl then this reason does not apply. The 2nd reason arises when I want to check out a new place or a bar I have not been to for some time. I don't want to buy a drink in any Go Go if none of their girls interest me. Sometimes I will walk into a bar, walk around the bar, and walk right out in a mater of seconds. No drink. Of course I only act this way in marginal quality bars, bars that I do not usually frequent, but hey, I am giving them a chance by walking in. If they have one nice looking girl I will take a seat, buy a drink, and most likely buy a drink for the girl and possibly do a barfine. If they don't have any decent looking girls, they have lost me as a customer for another couple of years. 555. The 3rd reason I do not want to buy a drink at the door is the reason I gave in my previous post ie that when I am a regular, repeat customer at particular bar, I don't feel that I should be treated like a newbie walk in. I require that the bar treat me good like a valued, returning, repeat customer or it won't remain as one of my favorite bars for much longer.[/QUOTE]Yes absolutely pal. I lasted about 10 secs inside Kazy bar. Did not have any customers to speak of that I recall. Girls greatly over dressed and not enough hot bodies on display for me.

Smoothie,

I don't think Crazy House is usually so crowded that cannot get a seat anywhere, these days, at least not at my usual time of 9 PM or earlier. Tats laden Ice now has blonde curls. Her tits almost look naturally sagged now. Don't look like a real obvious tit job any more.

Bacarrat a different story. Can be very hard to get a decent seat there in my experience from admittedly long ago.

If I could find an exotic looking woman faintly like in this Video anywhere, I would be hooked real quick. Not a Thai but shows my slim spec. Coloured hair and tats don't bother me that much. However like real natural tits.

Used to like Donut in CH and she had funny coloured hair at times. Body not that dissimilar. Face not as hot as the video but pretty. Alas nothing of the same standard there any more.

[URL]https://beeg.com/6574969[/URL]

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2297584]
I wasn't asked to pay at Crazy House. I saw that they were asking the East Asian guys to pay the money. Since East Asians are their primary clientele, I figured there was no way they were going to let me in without paying, so never even tried to get in. Had it been South Asians they were asking the money from, I would have tried to get in without paying the 100 baht.
[/QUOTE]I have not seen the sign and always entered without problem, but then I am well known there and also I may tend to visit at times when they are not the busiest. Have not seen the place really full recently. Never saw East Asians asked to pay first either so it might be a new development. Seems strange. Standard of the girls has declined a lot in my view. I used to have a few favourites, now no one.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2297186]Could be from Isaan or Laos. The Lao languange has no are in it, hence they say falang not farang.

I speak better, altough still poor, Lao than Thai and always get words mixed up, so I get a lot of laughs from some girls.[/QUOTE]My GF is Issan but still cannot pronounce an English L properly, same as Thais. She can speak Thai very well though including Thai letter-R. So she Roves me rather than Loves me, or close to it. However you do have a point.

Some Issan words replace letter-R with an H and some maybe with their version of an letter-L without tongue flick on the top teeth.

Probably very few Laos / Issan girls are speaking to me in English unless their English is really excellent, Issan or Thai is more likely, so I may lack this experience of hearing stuff like "Welly Good".

Normally both Issan and Thai girls I know can make a better approximation to English-R than to English-L, However that may not be all of them. Laos / Issan Letter L is possible.

I don't usually hear "Falang" much either excepting maybe from children, but have to admit I do hear what sounds like "Aloi" rather than "Aroi" a bit, which must be the Issan version.

Yes I am willing to admit I am wrong, just not speaking English with these girls I guess, except those with very good English. There maybe girls no good at making a letter-R due to poor Thai language education as well as poor English.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2297734]If I could find an exotic looking woman faintly like in this Video anywhere, I would be hooked real quick. Not a Thai but shows my slim spec. Coloured hair and tats don't bother me that much. However like real natural tits.

Used to like Donut in CH and she had funny coloured hair at times. Body not that dissimilar. Face not as hot as the video but pretty. Alas nothing of the same standard there any more.

[URL]https://beeg.com/6574969[/URL][/QUOTE]Geez man, that looks like a ladyboy. That girl in your video has very masculine features. Different strokes I guess.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2297742]My GF is Issan but still cannot pronounce an English L properly, same as Thais. [/QUOTE]Neither can the Koreans. This reminds me of my first trip to Korea in 1981. There was a Korean band singing / playing at the Osan Airbase officer's club: lolling down the liver. It was so funny I almost wet myself with OB beer.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2297736]I have not seen the sign and always entered without problem, but then I am well known there and also I may tend to visit at times when they are not the busiest. Have not seen the place really full recently. Never saw East Asians asked to pay first either so it might be a new development. Seems strange. Standard of the girls has declined a lot in my view. I used to have a few favourites, now no one.[/QUOTE]The buy a drink first sign was at Baccara, not Crazy House. At Crazy House it was just two door guys sticking out their hands for the 100 baht.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2297734]Tats laden Ice now has blonde curls. Her tits almost look naturally sagged now. Don't look like a real obvious tit job any more.[/QUOTE]She's the most unique girl I have seen in Thailand. You haven't tried her yet?

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2297262]I awoke at the ungodly hour of 6 am on Friday morning. I had set my alarm for 8 am, having to be in to work by 9:30, and I have no idea why I woke up at 6 am. Yes I do. Fuckin' jet lag. It sucks getting old.

So on 5 hours of sleep, off I plodded to work to try to impress the good folks who paid for my... .[/QUOTE]Thank you Kumbu. That's awesome!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2297787]She's the most unique girl I have seen in Thailand. You haven't tried her yet?[/QUOTE]Surely you recall she is not my type. Strong jaw is a bit too masculine looking for me (first time wondered ladyboy or not), not pretty for me, and lots of piercings don't really thrill me.

Raunchy yes, but I don't normally take overly raunchy girls either. Dark skin is no bother.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2297734]

If I could find an exotic looking woman faintly like in this Video anywhere, I would be hooked real quick. Not a Thai but shows my slim spec. Coloured hair and tats don't bother me that much. However like real natural tits.

[URL]https://beeg.com/6574969[/URL][/QUOTE]Her best look is once she gets totally naked near the end of the video. I could get into her, for sure, except for the big, ugly tats and the navel and tongue piercings. She would be awesome, nearly flawless without those. Talking only about her body, that is. Never understood why women with nearly flawless bodies choose to muck around with them and introduce flaws. Imagine her with pristine, unmarked up skin, no piercings, natural color hair and about 95% less make-up. Yum. She would also look about 6 years younger, if not more.

Her face? Too much make-up. I like the thick lips, but not a fan of the prominent nose, which I feel is a more masculine feature. As you said, she is not Thai.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2297716]There are three reasons I will not buy a drink in advance. You just stated the 1st ie if the place is too crowded and there is nowhere to sit although if I am there to see a particular girl then this reason does not apply. The 2nd reason arises when I want to check out a new place or a bar I have not been to for some time. I don't want to buy a drink in any Go Go if none of their girls interest me. Sometimes I will walk into a bar, walk around the bar, and walk right out in a mater of seconds. No drink. Of course I only act this way in marginal quality bars, bars that I do not usually frequent, but hey, I am giving them a chance by walking in. If they have one nice looking girl I will take a seat, buy a drink, and most likely buy a drink for the girl and possibly do a barfine. If they don't have any decent looking girls, they have lost me as a customer for another couple of years. 555. [b]The 3rd reason I do not want to buy a drink at the door is the reason I gave in my previous post ie that when I am a regular, repeat customer at particular bar, I don't feel that I should be treated like a newbie walk in. I require that the bar treat me good like a valued, returning, repeat customer or it won't remain as one of my favorite bars for much longer.[/b][/QUOTE](area in bold is my addition).

Ah, but the question is how many times can you go into a bar, cruise around once and walk out within a minute or two without buying a drink and still be considered a "valued, returning, repeat customer"? I mean, it seems to me by the third time, maybe three unlucky, ill-timed visits to a bar when the good girls are already taken, the guy at the door isn't going to be so keen to see and have anyone else standing around see you duck in and out within a minute or two without buying a drink. Not so keen that he and the management would tolerate you doing it a fourth time without kindly suggesting you go right ahead and buy a drink upfront and outside like the rest of us. And that fourth time might be the one where they've just packed the place with a dozen fresh, new girls for the taking.

Can you do that an unlimited number of times?

I'll bet sometime before that fourth visit you would feel under pressure to buy a drink the moment you go inside anyway, regardless of the quality of the line up. Self-imposed pressure, that is, just to keep that "valued customer' thing going. Or maybe not.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2297993](area in bold is my addition).

Ah, but the question is how many times can you go into a bar, cruise around once and walk out within a minute or two without buying a drink and still be considered a "valued, returning, repeat customer"?[/QUOTE]Don't be so silly. Obviously different reasons apply to different bars. Bar goers get to be a valued customer somewhere.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2297986]Her best look is once she gets totally naked near the end of the video. I could get into her, for sure, except for the big, ugly tats and the navel and tongue piercings. She would be awesome, nearly flawless without those. Talking only about her body, that is. Never understood why women with nearly flawless bodies choose to muck around with them and introduce flaws. Imagine her with pristine, unmarked up skin, no piercings, natural color hair and about 95% less make-up. Yum. She would also look about 6 years younger, if not more.

Her face? Too much make-up. I like the thick lips, but not a fan of the prominent nose, which I feel is a more masculine feature. As you said, she is not Thai.[/QUOTE]While I don't need piercings and tats, etc. They have become so common that one has to try to ignore them I think. Never found a tongue piercing to be a problem, even if they seem pointless. I can't see them improving a BBBJ at all. Are there any Thai girls without Tats? Maybe but not many hookers have no tats I think. Hence we get the really ugly phrase "the tramp stamp". My GF also has tats. I live with it. So did the previous GFs, except maybe only two of them had no tats. Those two were the ones who performed worst on the bed and being the most conservative girls.

Wild girls on the bed mostly have tats in my experience. So just accept it.

Yes I can agree, it would be nice if she was totally pristine, it is known I like as natural looks as possible. I prefer slightly smaller more upturned nose, but her nose is not at all unacceptable to me. Western girls normally have bigger noses than Thai. Nice to hear I am not the only one a bit fussy about noses. Ha ha.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2297996]Don't be so silly. Obviously different reasons apply to different bars. Bar goers get to be a valued customer somewhere.[/QUOTE]So would your contention be that there is never a time when the patron who takes pride in enjoying that "valued customer" advantage in a bar feels compelled to sit and buy drinks anyway, even when the line up is not very good at all, just to keep the "valued customer" good will flowing?

That was, after all, the real point of my post. But not the part you quoted and decided made me silly. I'm talking about self-imposed compulsion to buy a drink that, in some ways, is even greater pressure than when the door guy tells us to.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2298001]While I don't need piercings and tats, etc. They have become so common that one has to try to ignore them I think. Never found a tongue piercing to be a problem, even if they seem pointless. I can't see them improving a BBBJ at all. Are there any Thai girls without Tats? Maybe but not many hookers have no tats I think. Hence we get the really ugly phrase "the tramp stamp". My GF also has tats. I live with it. So did the previous GFs, except maybe only two of them had no tats. Those two were the ones who performed worst on the bed and being the most conservative girls.

Wild girls on the bed mostly have tats in my experience. So just accept it.

Yes I can agree, it would be nice if she was totally pristine, it is known I like as natural looks as possible. I prefer slightly smaller more upturned nose, but her nose is not at all unacceptable to me. Western girls normally have bigger noses than Thai. Nice to hear I am not the only one a bit fussy about noses. Ha ha.[/QUOTE]I agree that we have to accept tats if we are going to monger in Thailand these days. But, my god, sometimes they cover major portions of their body. As with the girl in that video you linked. That is why I try to use the term "big, ugly" tattoo when that is the case. I can ignore small ones here and there unless they are right next to or on their pussy, breasts or face. Unfortunate placement, imo.

I picked up a somewhat exotic, sexy looking FL on Soi 4 last night. She is kind of new to that particular scene. Maybe I'd seen her in the area 1-2 times before recently and just passed her by. Her entire back was one big, ugly tattoo. Of course, I did not know that until she undressed in my room because she'd learned to keep it covered in her street clothes. Luckily, I am not a finisher in doggie position. It is missionary for me. So it was a non issue and easy to ignore.

Every so often, we are reminded of the reason we do what we do. The previous night I had a buzzing encounter with the most charming Phammy of Billboard. The night before that it was breasts from Thermae. Tonight, Saturday night, was something different still. You got to love LOS: it throws things at you from all directions.

[B]The Failure of Thermae[/B]

My plan was to return to Thermae. My encounter with Pattii had been such an unmitigated success, I was eager to try someone else from Thermae. I was a little hesitant because of the awkwardness posed by potentially running into Pattii again, but that can be managed. Anyway, I headed over to Terminal 21 at around 8:15 pm for dinner, and then the Starbucks for the nightly upload of caffeine, and by the time I walked into Thermae it must have been 9:15 pm, on Saturday night.

The difference between Saturday night and Thursday night was stark. Saturday night was absolutely packed. There were so many men (and ladies), it was mildly uncomfortable. I mean, it made the place far harder to navigate. I got in and there were these two geeks chuckling like little girls at the concept of a supermarket for women. One of them was saying "What do you mean it's a supermarket? And the other said "Yeah, that's what I heard this other dude call it, a SUPERMARKET. . . Bbbbbahahahahaha!

OK children, the play area is that way. After fighting the crowds to get myself a drink, I entered the rotation. There were three big, fat-assed Asian dudes in front of me, and so I got into their slipstream. It made moving through the crowd way easier. But it shielded me from exposure to the girls, which was not a particularly good thing. As we muscled our way around, I came to Pattii, standing in the same spot I picked her from 2 nights earlier. She smiled awkwardly, and I smiled awkwardly. I went over and said Hello, how are you, nice to see you, having fun? Good luck tonight, ok? Ok kaa. And off went my three Asian dudes, so I had to go with them.

I got around to the other side and let my Asian dudes go on without me. I hung out back there for about 4. 5 minutes before I realized this place was just too, too busy to conduct any meaningful business. Too many people, too much activity, I could not focus on anyone in particular. So I bee-lined to the exit and walked out. Yeah, Thermae failed me this time, but only because of its popularity on Saturday night. So my previous post (the conceited one), where I spoke unequivocally about how one can find success in Thermae just so long as you have the attitude was disproven rather easily here tonight. There are times when the conditions within Thermae make it a losing proposition, and tonight was one of those nights. I admit there must be many others.

So what to do? Over to Soi Cowboy? Naah, that ain't my scene. Street Walker along Suk? Maybe. Back to NEP? Probably. I decided to make my way down Suk towards NEP. If I saw anything on the street that met my fancy, then I'the go for it. As a backup, if I bombed at NEP, then I could always hit Mixx or Spasso. No one ever loses in BKK unless they want to.

[B]Close call with a beautiful (wo)man[/B]

As I crossed the side soi next to the Westin, there was a girl standing there looking elegant as a Ferrari Dino. She was wearing a peach top and a white mini skirt. The cloth on the mini skirt was kind of stiff, not clingy, and it revealed some lovely legs. Her frame was slender, and her face was very sophisticated. Her hair was bleached down to a light brown (not the typical peroxide job), and her fingers looked to be very well manicured. MM, tasty, maybe. As I approached her, she looked right at me, and clearly she was interested. She looked right at me, and I at her, and as I approached, I suddenly got cold feet and walked past her. Not sure why: everything was right, everything was in place for me to at least have a conversation. But something was not quite right, and so I walked past her. And as I did, she pinches my elbow and THERE! Lady fucking BOY! Aaaahh, hahah, yeah, you ain't getting ME! Hah! I beat your trap! Damn, but she was a good one. I mean seriously, I turned back and looked at her and even now knowing she was currently or had been in the past a dude, I could not find any sign of it. I smiled at her, and she smiled back as if to say "I almost had you, you pretty little man. ".

I found no other decent female SWs, so I went straight to NEP. And same as on Fri night, the lineup in the Nana parking lot was really, really good. I mean there were something like 15-20 girls right by the sign, and there must have been 5 girls that were doable. Perhaps one of them was really good (not stunner, but really good). Nonetheless, I decided to go into a gogo bar to see what was on display.

The night before I had been to Mandarin, Rainbow 4 and Billboard. So tonight I wanted to check out some other places. I don't really like Lucky, and Angel Witch has never really worked for me before. But I have pulled girls from Rainbow 3, which has a very different vibe than Rainbow 4. So that's where I head.

[B]The Preamble in Rainbow 3[/B]

I get in, am seated on the near side near the corner of seats, and begin the Gaze of Kumbu. I look at each girl, from bottom to top (I. E. , legs first, hips and butt next, then waist, then breasts, then face). That order works best for my cognitive processing. I spy three good looking girls, but the pick of them is right near me, looking right at me with a death stare, like "You WILL be mine tonight". Uh-oh. Shy Kumbu looks away. I can't stand direct attention like that, please don't subject me to such pressure!

But through my peripheral vision I can see her undulating very vigorously, and truth be told, the meat she is moving is quite pleasing to Kumbu. So I slowly start to look her way, but oh too late! This young blonde bastard to my right has set his sights on her. Fucker. How can I compete with that?! He's 15 years my junior, an upgrade in skin color (I. E. , he is white, I am not), and he looks like Brad mutherfucking Pitt. So girlie on stage suddenly shifts her stance and starts focusing on him. I know this is a mistake for girlie: this guy ain't going to treat you the way Kumbu will. Please, you must know that! But no, she is enamored with the pale skinned one, and the hip-gyrations that were once aimed at me have shifted focus over to the young but dull-looking one to my right.

So I take a sip of my drink and consider my options. Do I gogo hop? Do I go out and try to pick up one of those SWs in the Nana parking lot? Do I hit a nightclub? As I was thinking through these options, I noticed a pair of super hot eyes looking my way from around 10 O'clock. I take a look, and they are gone. I can't find them. I see a whole bunch of girls looking my way because besides the fucker Brad Pitt to my right, there were precious few eligible punters in the bar at that point. There was an Indonesian-looking dude across the way, and a rather large-headed Korean guy to my left. Neither of them looked palatable, and so I think I was it. Slim pickin's gals, slim pickin's.

So about half a dozen or more girls are looking my way, but none of them have the killer eyes that I [I]thought[/I] I saw. So I go through the girls methodically, from stage-left, working my way towards me. Girl 1 is fat-assed, so crossed off my list. Girl 2 is skinny-legged, so out. Girl 3 has a ginormous ass and pot belly, yeesh. Girl 4 has a haggard-looking belly, so nope. Girl 5 looks very plain. Nothing wrong with her, but certainly not worth the effort or money. Girl 6 is unattractive (face), so out. Girl 7 is also skinny-legged, so no thanks. Girl 8 is too dolled up (peroxide hair, fake boobs, fake nose, loads of make up), so off the list. Girl 9 is looking away from me, so I can't see if she's the one, and so she's crossed off my li- hold on a moment. . . What's this I see here? I look at her body (can't see her face yet), and she has proportions that make me want to sing the Sound of Music song out loud. She has an ass that is pert, round and perfectly sized for her body. Her legs are slender, but very shapely. Her waist is tiny and gorgeous, and her boobs look to be worth a handful or so. But really, the winning card in her deck were her legs, which were [B]melodic[/B] beauty to the max. They were slender, shapely, and perfectly proportioned to her body. Such elegance is rarely on display anywhere, even in the hallowed halls of NEP.

And then she turns and looks right at me, and my heart stops for a moment. This girl had eyes that would stop a run-away locomotive train. They would launch a thousand ships. They would leap tall buildings in a single bound, umm, no, sorry, got my references all mixed up there. But you get my point: she had a totally gorgeous face. Gents, her number is 087 in Rainbow 3. I urge you to go check her out and see if she ain't a pretty young thing.

[QUOTE] 🎶The Hills Are Alive . . . with the sound of muuuuuuusic! 🎵 [/QUOTE]She was clearly an Isaan girl, but her eyes were such a phenomenon. Her nose was the give-away, as was her skin, but again, her eyes, did I mention that? She looked at me and a wry smile crept into the sides of her mouth. And then it disappeared as she looked away. We played looksie for a few minutes, and then I decided to buy her a LD before the fuck-wit Brad Pitt to my right turned his attention to her. He had bought the previous girlie a LD, by the way, but conversation was looking strained at this point.

So I call my new girl over, and she saunters off stage, around, and over to me. She wais, and as she does so, I realize she is a very petite girl. On stage she looked larger than life. She looked like she was 5'6" tall, but now, up close, she looked closer to 5'1", and perhaps 90 lbs. So a small spinner. Usually, I like my girls with a little more heft, but I could be persuaded to take her out for a spin. I usually need space to park the truck, but I've parked in a compact spot before.

She sits, and she keeps looking at me with those eyes, and my heart flutters while my dick hollers. The conversation is fine. Not fluid and easy, but not strained either. She seems into me, but not overly eager. And I'm feeling some vibe, but not electricity like last night with Phammy. So I play it cool, keep sipping our drinks, and watch to see what transpires.

Somehow, in the meantime, Brad Pitt has escaped and left girlie holding her tits. I told you girlie: shoulda gone with Kumbu. But noooooo, you just had to go with the Caucasian kid, didn't you?

After about 10 minutes, my girl asks if I want to BF her. I look her in the eye and ask her if she thinks that's a good idea. She says "Yes, why not?" and I say "No, not why not. But why. Why is it a good idea?" To which she says "If you don't bar fine me, you will be missing". Ah, the FOMO argument. Does she think I am a millennial?

But I fall for it, not because of FOMO, but because I am feeling kind of lazy. I don't really want to put in the work to go find someone else suitable, and she is a very pretty girl, so I could do a lot worse, but not that much better. So 700 BF to mama san, and 3000 baht quoted for ST. I tell her that I will pay 3000 baht if it is really good, but 2500 if it is so-so, and 3500 baht if it is super awesome. She smiles and says ok.

She returns a few minutes later wearing a one-piece, grey dress that seems to be made of velvet. Velvet: who wears velvet in the heat of Bangkok? It makes her look both folksy and sexy at the same time. Her long hair drapes down the back, bringing attention to her bubble butt, and the length of the dress also brings attention to her slender but shapely legs. But the center piece of this art exhibit is her eyes. Alluring, mesmeric, and deep. [B]Melodic[/B], like her legs.

[B]Melancholy Revealed[/B]

We walk back to the Landmark, not chatting too much. And when we get into the room, she is all business. "Me shower, then you shower, ok mai?" Ok kraap. After the showers, we lie on the bed in our towels and chat a little. I ask her how old she is (a youthful 20 yrs), and "do you have a bab-" and before I could finish, she snaps "yes. " Ok, I ask how old and she snaps "2 year old". And as this "conversation" unfolds, I begin to understand her low-key, understated demeanor.

I am witness to the loss of youth and fractured ambition. This girl got pregnant at 17 yrs, gave birth at 18 yrs, probably was deserted by some scum boyfriend, and out of desperation, is yielding her body and dignity to the thundering power of economic reality. Do you remember when you were 20 yrs old? Bright-eyed, ambitious, expectant. . . The world was your oyster. . . You could do anything. . . Any more clichs on this topic? Well, none of that applies to Naan of Rainbow 3.

While, very sadly, she is the norm and not the exception amongst the girls of NEP, that does not mean she cannot feel some bitterness or resentment. Nor does it mean she needs to do this with wild enthusiasm every night. So as this realization of her lamenting existence washes over me, I watch her face with a new found kind of sympathy. Her melancholic way struck a chord with me, and tonight at least, she would be treated with as much respect as the situation permits. I can't remove this oppression from her life, but I can at least help minimize it. And in so doing, this won't be charity: I will get something in return, but I just won't be exploiting the situation to the degree I could, nor will I engage in mocking her anguish.

Some of you are reading this and thinking that I am a sucker. That's fine by me. I'm just reporting what was going through my mind as this all unfolded. Do with that what you will: I am not going to preach to you about any of this.

[B]Where's the Good Stuff?[/B]

Now, despite the above, I am still a man. And she is still a gorgeous young thing with a body to die for, and so my mind is still fixated on what men and women tend to do when alone together after midnight in a hotel room in a foreign country. Mongering is complex stuff: full of heady sexual desire, but also filled with complex emotions and epiphanies.

Turning to the more carnal, I expect some child-bearing damage somewhere, and indeed, once the towel came off, there was an incision scar down her belly. Her breasts are also somewhat haggard, probably from the deflation after the lactation stage. But they were still in pretty good shape. Her butt had some stretch marks, which were not apparent in the colored light of the bar, but this is the norm here.

I start to warm her up by rubbing her body, then kissing it, and then I go in to DATY, which she seemed to open up to. She got progressively more and more into it, and as I worked my tongue for her pleasure, she gently stroked my ears, my neck and my hair. I used those cues to guide me through the process, until she finally (after perhaps 10 minutes of hard work) crested, whimpered, and slowly released tension.

I kiss my way up her belly expecting to be welcomed like a hero and thanked, but instead, she looks away from me and says "You have condom?" Translation: let's get on with this. Ok, I get it, business first, right?

On goes Mr. Trojan, and in he goes. Because of the DATY, she was already very wet, but I was a little nervous because of her petite size. I usually don't pick girls so small because, well, little Kumbu is the aforementioned truck, and Naan is the aforementioned compact parking sport. In terms of girth, little Kumbu is very average, but in terms of length, he's kind of a poky bastard. So I was a little worried that this little woman would be impaled by little Kumbu, so I would need to be careful.

I inserted very gingerly, expecting her to wince, but to my surprise, it went in quickly and easily. I mean, her pussy was downright spacious. It would have felt so very luxurious, if it didn't feel so goddam loose. I hate to be negative, but there was almost no friction being generated whatsoever. This could take a while.

So in missionary, I am pumping like a fucking chipmunk trying to get some traction, but I'm getting nothing. I wonder what is happening to all this energy I am spending on her pussy. She needs someone to install some kind of regenerative braking system into her pussy. That way, all this energy being spent in her pussy can be used to help the world. It's part of the Kumbu's New Green Deal. Watch for it on CNN.

As I am pumping like a maniac, twisting left and right, arching up and down, all to no avail, her head is turned to her right, her gorgeous eyes closed, and she's panting. Is this doing something for her?! Maybe. Just maybe. But she senses that something is amiss, perhaps from my shrieks of desperation, and so she initiates a position change. She switches into a side-spoon position, and this now starts to do the trick. Her wide hips, bouncy butt and hint of a cocoa-colored orifice are getting little Kumbu a little worked up. Also, from this position, her pussy is feeling tighter. So I am getting some friction, at least. But still, it ain't enough for any kind of barely orgasmic sensations.

And Naan, sensing this, switches into doggie. Aaaaaaaaaaah, Naan, my darling, now you are earning that tip. As I mount her, I take a quick gander under the hood. Mmmm, what a gorgeous asshole she has. It's tiny, like the size of a penny in its entirety, and it has very faint crinklage, but otherwise is smooth and perfect. No protrusions, odd colored spots or irregularities. I think such assholes are a signal of youth. I think as you age, you accumulate irregularities in the asshole. You start out with the perfect asshole, and then each time you have some kind of digestive event, something happens to the asshole. We can call this [B]Kumbus First Principle of Anal Irregularity[/B]. It's kind of the human equivalent of circles in tree trunks. Now stop it: I know you are mocking me right now, but in 100 years, I will be heralded as a titan amongst scholars, up there with Newton, Einstein. Children will learn Kumbu's Principles along with Newton's Laws and Einstein's Theories. Mark my words.

Applying Kumbu's First Principle of AI, you can probably estimate someone's age by the number of transformations from perfect. In fact, perhaps instead of asking WGs how old they are, we should just ask "Can I see your asshole?" And they would bend over, pull down their pants and we would inspect, right there in Thermae or the bar or night club. I think this could be a thing, I really do. Anyway, it's so weird saying that an asshole can be gorgeous, but we all know what that means. Right guys? Guys?

So doggie did the trick. Her compact, but very round ass, and very tight midsection, and that gorgeous asshole winking up at me were enough to get my motor running. Plus the angle of penetration created significantly more friction than otherwise, and so together, it was enough to bring Kumbu to a satisfying conclusion to this event.

Clean up, shower, chat, and then off she goes. Before she goes, she asks if she will see me again. Oh. That was a little unexpected. The melancholic nature of her interaction with me suggested she was not interested. But I suppose the 3500 baht was worth repeating. I thought about it for a second, looking at her in those thoroughly amazing eyes, and made up an excuse. I said I was leaving town soon, so probably not. Much as I enjoyed the latter part of our encounter (read: doggie), I could not bear to come face-to-face with the harsh realities of WGs in Bangkok the way that I did tonight. It's healthy, I suppose, but I'm not in this for the reality. I'm in it for the manufactured experience, one where I can imagine the best of the world, and not the worst. I know the reality, but I don't need to live it that closely. That's a luxury I can afford, but one that she can't. That's a sad, selfish fact about me, but it is part of what makes the mongering economy work.

The next post will be the first of a trilogy that will make up the final field reports from this trip for your pal Kumbu. The trilogy consists of a double encounter with a gorgeous woman from Thermae, and a blindingly wild, meth-driven encounter with another girl from Billboards. Crazy shit, so stay tuned.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2298017]Applying Kumbu's First Principle of AI, you can probably estimate someone's age by the number of transformations from perfect. In fact, perhaps instead of asking WGs how old they are, we should just ask "Can I see your asshole?" And they would bend over, pull down their pants and we would inspect, right there in Thermae or the bar or night club. I think this could be a thing, I really do. Anyway, it's so weird saying that an asshole can be gorgeous, but we all know what that means. Right guys? Guys?[/QUOTE]Absolute rectam Khun Kumbu.

In fact I have used this optimum modum on occasions in the venues before heading back to the loom, however my assumptions of age were totally inaccurate.

Most memorable experiences in Patpong in the late 90's and more recently at Windmill in Pattaya. (where in fact asshole inspections were fully encouraged).

Not convinced this will catch on in establishments like Thermae as the deed would most certainly create disruption to the rotation.

Thanks for the report.

BB.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2298017]Kumbus First Principle of Anal Irregularity[/QUOTE]I refer to it as Anal Integrity. I'm not a fan of assholes that have 'roids, etc. Really kills the mood.

Another highly entertaining read. Thanks man, you have a gift. Your talk of the magnetic eyes reminds me of Honey, aka Naughty Baby Girl, at Tokyo Hentai Club. OMG I could look at her for days straight.

If you enjoy reading adventures and living vicariously, as I do, I posted about Honey and 5 other Tokyo girls in that thread. For the most fun you can have without actual sex, see the Taipei thread (gangsters and illicit activity are all part of the fun!) And for how to spend a huge wad of money without orgasming, but still have a lifetime experience (ever had you dick cleaned with tequila?) see the Blues Bar post in Shanghai. It is almost anticlimactic to say there are two other posts there at the start of my trip with garden variety awesome hotties from Manhattan Bar in Shanghai. Hope some of it is moderately interesting.

Keep the epics coming!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2297960]Surely you recall she is not my type. Strong jaw is a bit too masculine looking for me (first time wondered ladyboy or not), not pretty for me, and lots of piercings don't really thrill me.

Raunchy yes, but I don't normally take overly raunchy girls either. Dark skin is no bother.[/QUOTE]I don't know that I would call her raunchy. That's a facade due to her wild look. Have you ever spoken with her? She's the most intelligent girl in the place and is quite sweet.

The bad thing about her is she wears too much lotion, similar to strippers in the USA.

Last 1 month or so, I'm trying my luck at Thai Friendly and wechat. I've stopped using Smooci altogether, go to gogos rarely and don't hit massage salons much. I'm just enjoying TF and Wechat and I've been lucky not to have a bad experience yet. I've met 6 girls in last month by these, wrote couple of FRs on them, and excluding one all are good enough that I've met them twice by now.

So, today I found a new bird at TF. Before finding her, I tried to organised that threesome which I talked about in my previous FR but the other girl was busy (some nice person had booked her for day), moved that plan for next week. Then I met this girl on TF, she only has 1 pic, strange for girls to have one pic on TF. Anyways, I hit her and after usual chit chat I asked if she wanted to meet. She replied with "3 k st". Perfect. Countered with 1. 5 K and deal was done like that. Now, asked her to come at 8 pm but she said she does dinner at 7 so 8 would be weird (ya, not huge fan of tasting her thai dinner either). She suggested 11, and I was on for it.

At 11 pm, she came, in nice red dress, showing her smooth legs. She was fit, neither skinny nor big. In room, we talked a bit, found out she has a baby, 2 years old. She said she's 26, when I doubted jokingly, she just showed her ID. I didn't see it though, and politely agreed. So, I believed she's 26. I was in much mood of shower, so asked her to go shower, and I waited by the bed like a lazy man. And then she came, wrapped in towel, and me in my innocence with no idea what I was in for. She took the towel off, showed her jewels. Nice boobs, and shaved pussy. No scratches, small tatooo on back and no baby cut mark. She jumped into the comforter and I went in too. I started with feeling her body. Touching her everywhere, and then kissing her neck, tummy and ears. And then started the DFK. Man, she didn't stopped for a second. I think for 10 minutes straight we were spooning, kissing each other and feeling each other's body. Then I started rubbing her pussy. And then one finger and then second went in. Simultaneously, I was kissing her and my finger were fucking her. After 3-4 minutes, her vaginal muscles contracted really hard, and she took my hand out.

I was so hard by then. Asked her to do BJ. She started BBBJ, and within 5 blows I was about to come. I asked her to stop. WTF right. Now, little background, I am a person because of whom these WGs get annoyed because I don't come. I have fucked WGs for 30 straight minutes without coming. And now, I was about to come in 5 seconds. Maybe because the make out session was fuckin hot. Told her I will come if she blow me more, and I wanted to fuck, so she put the rubber on. During this rubber putting session, little johny lost it's hardness, so she licked my balls to get him hard again.

Went in mis, and fuck, she was a wild girl. She had no limits. From biting my neck and chest (I don't know how she bit my chest when we were in mis, LOL) and even pulling my hairs. Again, I stopped in-between my thrusts to make sure I don't come so soon. Then I had enough, and I got in my push-ups position and started those powerful thrusts. The mixture of her loud moans, and melody of my balls hitting her hips was honey to my ears. Did those thrusts for couple of minuets and then I came. Confessed to her that I never came so quickly. She also said that she rarely cums but she did with me, but coming from a WG, I don't trust this statement much.

After shower, gave her 1500 + 500 tip. Asked her to stay the night, but she politely declined. Anyways, I took her line and asked if she's available on Sunday. She said yes, so, maybe you're in for another FR next week.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2298235]The mixture of her loud moans, and melody of my balls hitting her hips was honey to my ears.[/QUOTE]You must have a seriously loose scrotum, dude.

[QUOTE=*****man;2298246]You must have a seriously loose scrotum, dude.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of that movie "Bad Grandpa" where Johnny Knoxville poses as an old man with his balls hanging out of his underwear about a foot.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2298427]Reminds me of that movie "Bad Grandpa" where Johnny Knoxville poses as an old man with his balls hanging out of his underwear about a foot.[/QUOTE]LOL I only remember that scene from the whole movie, movie was crap though.

[QUOTE=*****man;2298246]You must have a seriously loose scrotum, dude.[/QUOTE]Haha. Ok, not exactly balls. More like groin. But whatever, I always love this sound.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2298500]LOL I only remember that scene from the whole movie, movie was crap though.[/QUOTE]If I'm not mistaken, that movie won quite a few Oscars that year. Best Picture, Best Actor in a leading role to Johnny Knoxville (mainly for the scene with his balls hanging out of his underwear in the strip club and when his penis was stuck in the coke machine after he tried to fuck it), Best Actor in a supporting role to the little chubby kid for his scene where he dressed as a little girl and entered the beauty pageant dancing to the song Cherry Pie while his grandpa rained dollar bills, and Best Cinematography.

Overall: Excellent movie.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2298511]If I'm not mistaken, that movie won quite a few Oscars that year. Best Picture, Best Actor in a leading role to Johnny Knoxville (mainly for the scene with his balls hanging out of his underwear in the strip club and when his penis was stuck in the coke machine after he tried to fuck it), Best Actor in a supporting role to the little chubby kid for his scene where he dressed as a little girl and entered the beauty pageant dancing to the song Cherry Pie while his grandpa rained dollar bills, and Best Cinematography.

Overall: Excellent movie.[/QUOTE]Right. Not just oscars, it is also in IMDB top 10 movies.

Don't know why Wikipedia haven't covered it at all.

P.S. I am assuming you were being sarcastic about the oscars, and not actually serious.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2298522]Right. Not just oscars, it is also in IMDB top 10 movies.[/QUOTE]I don't usually agree with IMDB, but I do see they have it listed at #3 for all time top rated movies.

1) The Shawshank Redemption (1994).

2) The Godfather (1972).

3) Bad Grandpa (2013).

4) The Dark Knight (2008).

5) The Godfather: Part II (1974).

6) The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003).

7) Pulp Fiction (1994).

8) Schindler's List (1993).

9) 12 Angry Men (1957).

10) Fight Club (1999).

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2298575]
The Godfather (1972).
The Godfather: Part II (1974).
Fight Club (1999).[/QUOTE]I enjoyed Fight Club and I consider The Godfather 1 & 2 classics (duh). But I don't think a majority of ISG'ers would appreciate many of my all time favorite films like:

La Dolce Vita.
In a Lonely Place.
High Sierra.
Rocco and His Brothers.
The Asphalt Jungle.
Le Jour Se Leve.
Yojimbo.
The Lady from Shanghai.
Mississippi Mermaid.
My Darling Clementine.
La Strada.
The Idiot
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre

To name but a few...

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2298575]I don't usually agree with IMDB, but I do see they have it listed at #3 for all time top rated movies.

1) The Shawshank Redemption (1994).

2) The Godfather (1972)..[/QUOTE]Not to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on the film circle jerk parade, but isn't this thread for reports (or loosely related, of late)?

P.S. Where in the name of Buddha is Sausage Party?

Can't we get back on track?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2298583]I enjoyed Fight Club and I consider The Godfather 1 & 2 classics (duh). But I don't think a majority of ISG'ers would appreciate many of my all time favorite films like:

La Dolce Vita.
In a Lonely Place.
High Sierra.
Rocco and His Brothers.
The Asphalt Jungle.
Le Jour Se Leve.
Yojimbo.
The Lady from Shanghai.
Mississippi Mermaid.
My Darling Clementine.
La Strada.
The Idiot
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre

To name but a few...[/QUOTE]Where have I been? Am I out of touch I never heard of any of these movies.

Sorry to interrupt the film critic's circle here, but may I offer here the first in a 3-part report on my last two days in glorious Bangkok. During these two days, I encounter Naat of Thermae, who charms me beyond words; so much so that I opt to see her again the next day, and on the second encounter I get a hard dose of reality. And to make up for that disappointment, I make out with a meth-fueled crazy-eyed girl from Billboard who rampages the blues right out of me.

This first part of the trilogy will pi*s some of you off. But I urge you to wait for the second part before responding with anger and insinuation. The reason for your anger will be clear: I make the age-old error of falling for a WG. And in the next post, I see the error of my ways. And in case you are wondering, this is the umpteenth time I have been through this exact cycle.

𝄖 𝄖 𝄖 𝄖 𝄖 𝄖 𝄖 𝄖 𝄖 𝄖.

I was bouncing, man, full of energy. I had my metaphorical dancing shoes on, and I was ready to boogie. I had just returned from a short overnight trip to a nearby country where I visited a girl that I have been cultivating for the last 2 years. She's a Chinese girl who is a charter member of the Amazingly Perfect Ass Club (APAC). You rarely find Chinese girls in APAC that privilege goes to German, Turkish, Russian, Spanish, Central / South American and Brazilian girls, IMHO. Anyway, I flew out on Sun morning, banged and sucked and banged some more her perfect ass all night in a high end hotel, and then returned to BKK on Monday afternoon. It was a wild, ass-fueled orgy-like experience (never done anything remotely like that). She was not P4 P, so no report, but this is just as a way to give background about why I was buzzing.

I walked into Thermae on Monday night feeling like the king has returned. I entered at around 10 pm, half expecting to see the same motley crew again. I was expecting to find nothing that inspired these old bones, and to then schlep over to NEP to find a cute little something to share this new found youth I was experiencing.

It was far less crowded than on Sat night, and that's a really good thing. I immediately turned to the bar before the old dude could tell me to, and I think he liked that. I ordered my drink, and as I turned, I noticed a sensational figure standing by the door. I mean, right next to the door, on the right as you enter, almost hugging the door. The girl looked to be around 5'5" tall, wearing an olive green cling-on t-shirt, short white shorts, and platform high heels. The short white shorts is what caught my attention because they revealed a superb, round ass, and legs that held the potential to bring tears to Kumbu's old eyes.

The set of eyes under whom these treats resided, as it happens, were looking right at me, and in the dimmed light of Thermae, those eyes were shimmering bright and sparkly. They radiated warm shafts of broken glass towards me, cutting right into me. She had her back arched, and so her head was leaning ever so slightly backward, almost as if she were in the throws of orgasm, and she was smiling ever so slightly right at me. This image pulled me into a blooming, buzzing confusion, since it was a sensory overload for my unexpecting eyes. But that blooming, buzzing confusion was a definite welcomed state, so I'm not complaining.

She was an Isaan girl, but one filled with youthful vigor. She had short hair, well, shortish. Her hair was not the peroxide hair we have begrudgingly come to accept as normal, nor the overly permed hair I sometimes see, nor the long, black straight hair that Thai girls often wear. No, it was cut short, just above the shoulders, and she had bangs. This was the classic China Girl hairstyle, if that means anything to you, and set her well apart from the rest of the crowd. That, plus her ass and legs, obviously.

And mutherfucker, she looked tasty. I mean, she was a 9 in my books, maybe 9. 5, and I promise you she would be close to that, if not more, in any one of you cold hearted bastards' books too. Her eyes were gorgeous: almond shaped, just the right size and spacing for her face, above a perfect smile, and a lovely shaped face. She smiled at me, and I turned away from her immediately. I mean, it was far too early for me to commit. . . Right? I should take a look around first. . . Right? Who knows what delights await further inside the bowels of Thermae. . . Right? All this went through my mind as my head was turning away from her, but as soon as I was looking away from her, I stopped, thought for a quarter second, and I realized I was totally wrong. Nothing was going to outdo this girl. Nothing. And now was the moment for me to act. In fact, she was easily the most beautiful woman I have seen this trip, and perhaps in the last few years too. What would I need to find deeper in Thermae that would out-do this gorgeous woman? Maybe Beyonce naked in doggie position begging Kumbu to fuck her in the ass? Yeah.

Look, she was a stunner, smiling at me. If not now, when? Don't be a fucking pussy Kumbu. Go out there and get the girl you want. Go.

So I turned back around towards her, and she and her friend were looking right at me. I turned my body to walk to her, and she and her friend dutifully looked down at their feet. I walked up to her, and as I approached, she looked up at me and a flutter went through my body. Oh oh oh ohooo, little China Girl. This is what went down:
[quote]
Kumbu: Hel - .
Girlie: Sawad dii kaa.
Kumbu: Umm, sawad dii krap. How are you?
Girlie: Fine kaa. How are you?
Kumbu: Yeha, fine.
Girlie: where you from?
Kumbu: America. Where are YOU from?
Girlie: (points down to the ground) Here!
Kumbu: (laughing) Well that's good. Why are you standing here by the door?
Girlie: Umm. . . No space inside. . .
Kumbu: Are you hoping to escape?
Girlie: (giggling) To tell the truth (looks uncomfortably into the bar), yes!
Kumbu: Well, you want to escape with me?
Girlie: For short time, it is 3000 baht.
Kumbu: Will we have fun?
Girlie: (pause) Umm, much more fun than if we stay here (raises left eye brow).[/quote]
Right? Humor, rapport, chemistry, this is what I am saying guys. This girl was it. She was fucking gorgeous, with legs that would not quite, and she and I just clicked from the get go. So I say "Let's go", and she grabs her bag and is ready to go. Meanwhile I have not even had a sip of my gin and tonic, but who gives a fuck about that? I leave it somewhere and scamper out with her like I'm a seven year old and it's my birthday.

We get a taxi, and as is the norm at that time of the night, traffic is a monster. So the drive back to the hotel takes about 15 minutes, and goddam if we were not chatting effortlessly the whole way back. Her English is amaaazing, meaning she has an American accent (signaling perhaps an American sponsor), ands he speaks fluently and easily. Moreover, she and I just hit it off. It was such a pleasure to have such conversation, after all the mindless interactions I've had with working girls in Thailand.

We chatted easily, comfortably, for another 45 minutes in the hotel room, just talking and giggling and slapping each other every time one of us cracked a joke. It was almost (almost) girlfriend type interactions. I mean, it was flirtatious and fun, but we both knew why we were here. So after 45 minutes, she suggests that she shower, to which I agree. As she is showering, I realize that my pants were wet with precum. Just chatting with her had got me all wet. I mean, yes, as we chatted, I was ogling her long, gorgeous legs, but the chit-chat was a turn on as well.

She came out all fresh and clean wearing naught but a towel, and so I hopped in and scrubbed the old bag and banger. I came out and, goddamit, we started talking again. And that ate up another 30 minutes. By now it was almost midnight, and my ST clock had almost expired. But she was not sweating it, so I suggested to her that I give her a massage. She was a little taken aback, since she was the one who was supposed to be servicing me. I told her that it was my pleasure to massage her, which it totally was.

So she flops onto the bed removes her towel, to reveal a most splendid ass. It was round, set upon some slim hips, with some, but not too many stretch marks, and Class A cheek-overhang. It was tight too: her cheeks were firm and strong. I had not seen the quality of the actual butthole yet, but given what was on display, I had chosen very wisely indeed.

So I massaged her neck, her back, her shoulders, and down to the small of her back, and then I skipped her butt (saving the best for last) and went down to the legs. I massaged those superb specimens for a good 10 minutes, getting myself wetter and wetter. I swear, at one point I almost ejaculated as I rubbed her right calf, so erotic was the experience.

But I eventually made my way to her round glutes, and it was well worth the wait. I massaged the flesh this way and that, giving it both the gentle surfacy massage as well as the deeper massage. As I spread her cheeks, I took a peek at the shy little one inside, and damn if I was not smitten. A more beautiful, well structured, symmetrical asshole you shall not find in all of mongerdom. It was even smaller than Naan's from a few nights earlier, with some mild perturbations around the edges (in line with Kumbu's First Principle of AI; read back if you don't know what that means). It took all the restraint in the world not to dip down and just tongue fuck that butthole immediately. But I didn't do that because this whole time we were chatting about various topics, and the chatting was super interesting and stimulating. I think the conversation would have taken a quick downturn if I suddenly stuck my tongue into her butt.

She does have a child, and that is why she is doing what she does. She goes to Thermae once or twice per month, sometimes not going for months at a time. She has a full time job; she wants her child to grow up bilingual; she has a dream of visiting Maui one day; she lives 40 minutes away by motocy, which makes for an early evening for her tonight; she prefers to listen than to be the center of attention; she prefers to interact with westerners than Japanese, Korean or Chinese, since she feels westerners are more open and frank; she likes massage, but until tonight had not had one for many months. And so on: we just talked and talked.

As we chatted, and as I massaged her, a rather odd thing happened. She slowly transformed from an object of my libidinous desire, into. . . Something else. It's very hard to find the right words. It's not as if she became a human being. That is too derogatory to how I see working girls in general. I generally respect, empathize and like the girls I go with, and I do indeed treat them with respect, empathy and affection. But very rarely do I get to know and respect them as individuals, at an honest and unvarnished level. Usually, no matter how deeply I interact with them, they are still superficial people to me since we both put on a personality that is not ourselves. The extent of our interaction, ultimately, is that I will share a few moments of lustful pleasure with them (or more like, I will obtain a few moments of lustful pleasure from them).

But Naat, through our lengthy talking, had grown on me. I had somehow developed a respect for her the likes of which I have not really had with other working girls. Granted, at this point we had had several hours of open, honest discussion. I had gotten to know a lot about her. She [B]really[/B] opened up to me about her background, her current struggles, her aspirations. And it wasn't in the regular exploitative way. She wasn't singing the same old sob story that you hear from Isaan girls. No, this girl was smart, sophisticated, ambitious, caring. She had a spark in her eyes that was not same-same. Not a farm girl out to make a ton of cash so as to give it all to her boyfriend, mama and papa.

As I tired of the massaging, I began to think about the next stage in this event. What would I do? I thought about this girl, as gorgeous and shimmering as she was, and I imagined Kumbu plying himself over her, and I was reminded of a quote from Coetzee's wonderful novel [I]Disgraced[/I]:

[QUOTE] No more ugly than the sight of a man exercising himself on the body of a woman[/QUOTE]I felt that I could not subject her to that sight. Weird, I know, and I'm sure most of you are rolling your eyes at this thinking "what a fucking pussy". It was an odd feeling, but before you pull out the dagger-fingers and start tapping out some kind of "fuck you" response to this post, please keep in mind that I've been there, done that, and this is simply a report on the mental state of a monger at this point in time, in this particular context. Nothing more than that.

I contemplated not even fucking her, to be honest. But how could I let such a beautiful flower leave my presence without having just a little taste? And besides, if I did not fuck her, it would mean I could not pay her the full amount. And I did not want to deprive her of the cash. Yes, I am such a charitable man. So I got up, closed the black-out blinds, and switched off every light in the room. It was pitch black, and she cooed at how dark it was.

I then returned to her, fumbling, stubbing my toe and then stubbing my erect penis along the way, and sat down besides her, rubbing the head of little Kumbu to sooth the pain. I told her that I wanted to do it in the dark, and she giggled at the prospect. She said usually her customers want flood lights on, so this will be unusual.

So she returned to the bed, lying on her belly, and I started kissing her on the neck. I kissed her around the neck, around the side of her neck, up to the ear, and then back around her neck and down her back, slowly alternating pecking and licking every inch or so. I could not see anything, but I could feel the softness of her skin and the faint musk of her odor. It was so fucking intoxicating, I can't find the words. Little Kumbu was busting a new vein at this point. I kissed down to the small of the back, where I lingered and tongue bathed her down there. That got a positive response from her. I then started into the buttocks, and that was a feast for the ages. I kissed and squeezed and poked and nibbled and slathered and massaged and licked until my face hurt. I was there a good 10 minutes, which is actually a very long time to be focused on butt cheeks! The fact that I could not see them, but could feel, smell and taste them, added to the stimulation, since my imagination and memory of what they looked like enhanced the experience.

I eventually turned her around to reveal what I think was a close-trimmed pussy. I think her labia were a decent size since later on I was able to get them fully into my mouth. And her clit seemed to be a decent size since here too, I was able to provide some oral care quite easily. I peppered her tender area with some kisses, and then kissed the inside of her legs, just to get her warmed up. And then I took the plunge. I dropped into her clit first, working that for a good 10 minutes, and the expanded my focus of interest to include her healthy sized lips. I worked her for a full 25-30 minutes before she reached her crescendo, at which point she screamed out loud and shoved me away with the force of a MMA fighter. I sprawled across the bed, giggling as I flew (wheeeee), and she whimpered her apologies.

Note this whole time I had not even touched her breasts, which I did not realize until the next day. See part 2 of this trilogy for more on this point.

We rested for a few minutes, chatting in the pitch dark, and then I fumbled for Mr Trojan, which I had left on the bedside table. The sex was amazing. She was clutching at me, grabbing at me, kissing at me (not on the lips), and squealing in a very satisfying kind of way. Her body was tense, and she was whimpering and whining as if she had not had sex in months (highly unlikely, I know). I was inside her, in missionary position, and she was ramming her self into me, her back arched to an unnatural degree, her neck almost splitting in two. In short, we were really connecting. It was the most amazing sex I've had with a Thai WG in a long, long time. She orgasmed once in a long, loud, cock-crunchingly tense kind of way, and then slowly descended back to earth, as I finished myself off with a groan and a grunt. When all was said and done, it was well past 1 am when little Kumbu sputtered to an end and the clean up operation began.

We lay there in the dark for a few moments, huffing and puffing, sweat covering both of us. I was enjoying the dark, actually. There was no self-consciousness on either of our parts, and we could just recuperate in our own thoughts. My own thoughts were about her butt and her eyes the two prize possessions that she has. My guess is that her private thoughts were about the size of the tip I would give her.

I showered first, then her, and afterwards we chatted for a little more before she left. I gave her 4000 baht, kissed her on the forehead, and bade her farewell. Count this as another win for the working girls of Thailand.

Working girls: 3241.

Kumbu: nil.

P.S. Before anyone asks me for her Line ID, let me say this: nope. Read part 2.

The line up in Themae Friday Midnight not was not the best. Out of the whole bar there were one or two that almost met my standards. It was as usual jam packed with Asians. I again had to give some panting drooling pushy Chinese the old sharp voiced you in a hurry dude?

One of the ones I would do was an interesting looking blonde, almost looks mixed, but she is a sour puss and if they have a personality like a sidewalk, pass. Another was another blonde, but when I approached her she looked scared so I said Mai falang? She just nodded looking embarrassed so I gave her a smile, a mai pen rai and a bye.

There were some falangs in the place, pretty obnoxious by my book, walking the wrong way and being loud.

For those of you enjoying epic fiction: I have been in and out of Thermae all week too (normally its a once a week gig) and its been pretty lame. There are no stunners there, there are doable ones depending on your taste, but no chicks that I would put aside my tastes for.

So I went to Mixx and spend the rest of the night banging my Russian princess. There were some hot girls in Mixx last night.

Great FR. I've fallen for a few myself, and I think I know this ends. Wearing for parts II and III!

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2298676]Sorry to interrupt the film critic's circle here, but may I offer here the first in a 3-part report on my last two days in glorious Bangkok. During these two days, I encounter Naat of Thermae, who charms me beyond words; so much so that I opt to see her again the next day, and on the second encounter I get a hard dose of reality. And to make up for that disappointment, I make out with a meth-fueled crazy-eyed girl from Billboard who rampages the blues right out of me.

This first part of the trilogy will pi*s some of you off. But I urge you to wait for the second part before responding with anger and insinuation. The reason for your anger will be clear: I make the age-old error of falling for a WG. And in the next post, I see the error of my ways. And in case you are wondering, this is the umpteenth time I have been through this exact cycle.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2298676]
I showered first, then her, and afterwards we chatted for a little more before she left. I gave her 4000 baht, kissed her on the forehead, and bade her farewell. Count this as another win for the working girls of Thailand.

Working girls: 3241.

Kumbu: nil.

P.S. Before anyone asks me for her Line ID, let me say this: nope. Read part 2.[/QUOTE]Kudos to writing this report. I know it takes a lot of effort in writing these FRs. Good job. I will be waiting for next 2 parts.

It reminds me of previous encounter with WG, which I wrote a FR about last time. And yes you feel the same thing.

And I'm pretty sure how it will end, but still excited to read.

Last night I contacted one of my line girl, whom I met couple of weeks before and have already met twice. She's not very good at sex but gives somewhat passable GFE, like cuddling, tight hugging in mis, kissing neck etc etc. As this and title of post must have suggested already, last night I met her for third and last time. The encounter was nothing extra ordinary, especially as comparison to my last encounter with "TF gem", so I will try to keep this post short.

Called her in morning, asked if she's available. She was, and asked if I want to meet (read fuck). Don't know why she asked, otherwise why would I have messaged her. Anyways, arranged the meeting for 9 pm. She came around 9:15, which is not really a problem.

We talked little bit, although she can understand English quite well but her English vocabulary is very limited because of which she mixes some thai words in English. So chat was short and I wasn't into the talk this time. Went in shower together, and like last two time, she is fun in shower. In the end, she sat down on her knees and gave me 1-2 min blowjob.

Then we got into the bed and she started kissing my body. And let me be little confessional here. I don't have that good chemistry or rapport with her, as I had with many other regular contacts. The only reason we were meeting for the third time, because her fee is just 1 k. So, while she was kissing my body up-and-down, I asked her to do directly BBBJ. Her skills in this department are not too good. She surely won't be in my top 5, but neither in my worst 5. Which is good, because little Johnny is still recovering from previous encounter with the 'TF gem', when he almost cumed in 10 seconds. She did her best for 5 minutes but I was no way close to coming. Back to my former form.

After that we started doing reverse cowgirl, she was riding really fast which I don't like. Asked her to do slowly, while I enjoyed the view from behind. Then I sat up and fondled her small and soft boobs. After that we changed positions couple of times, nothing to shout about, I camed in standing doggy after 20 minutes. She was tired and little annoyed. But she got happy when I gave her 500 tip with her usual 1 k fee.

I am sharing her pics, she's 75% of what pics show. Skin is not as smooth as pics shows. Happy to share her line ID over DM to few, if interested. FCFS.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2298676]Sorry to interrupt the film critic's circle here, but may I offer here the first in a 3-part report on my last two days in glorious Bangkok. During these two days, I encounter Naat of Thermae, who charms me beyond words; so much so that I opt to see her again the next day, and on the second encounter I get a hard dose of reality. And to make up for that disappointment, I make out with a meth-fueled crazy-eyed girl from Billboard who rampages the blues right out of me.

This first part of the trilogy will pi*s some of you off. But I urge you to wait for the second part before responding with anger and insinuation. The reason for your anger will be clear: I make the age-old error of falling for a WG. And in the next post, I see the error of my ways. And in case you are wondering, this is the umpteenth time I have been through this exact cycle..[/QUOTE]Looking forward to part 2.

Could've done without the Disgrace reference as I've seen only the film and the image of a pasty, tubby Malkovich is going to be hard to shake.

Admin,

Please do some thing to this effect.

Amazing report and writing skills, Kumbu!

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2298676]Sorry to interrupt the film critic's circle here, but may I offer here the first in a 3-part report on my last two days in glorious Bangkok. During these two days, I encounter Naat of Thermae, who charms me beyond words; so much so that I opt to see her again the next day, and on the second encounter I get a hard dose of reality. And to make up for that disappointment, I make out with a meth-fueled crazy-eyed girl from Billboard who rampages the blues right out of me.

This first part of the trilogy will pi*s some of you off. But I urge you to wait for the second part before responding with anger and insinuation. The reason for your anger will be clear: I make the age-old error of falling for a WG. And in the next post, I see the error of my ways. And in case you are wondering, this is the umpteenth time I have been through this exact cycle.[/QUOTE]

Prateek, you post a link on the Links to Reports of Distinction if you like someone's review.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2009-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction[/URL]

Reality sucks, no? Fantasy is so much easier to live in than reality, at least for the 99% of us. There is so much more appealing about fantasy than reality. And prime amongst those things is that fantasy doesn't suck. The previous night, unwittingly, I had been the victim of my own fantasizing. I had "connected" with a gorgeous Thermae girl. I thought that the honesty that she was sharing with me somehow gave me a unique insight into this girl. That she was different. But on this second night, where I chose to repeat with her, I discovered that yes, she is [B]different, but also same-same[/B]. Truer words have never been said, and there's a reason why that [I]exact phrase[/I] has been on T-shirts in Thailand for more than 3 decades now.

[B]Preamble[/B]

So let me set the scene. It was my last day in LOS. It was 9 am, and I needed to plan things out. I departed BKK at 7 am the next morning. This means a check out of around 4 am, so that gives me a full night, pretty much. The night before I had had an encounter with a super gorgeous lady from Thermae by the name of Naan. She stole my heart, and I so wanted another lick of that ice cream before I left this delightful spot on Earth. So I Lined her, asking for a repeat. She did not respond until noon, and she asked what time. I said 8 pm. My thought was that I could hit her again, and then do NEP or Mixx for a two-for for the night. Ambitious for this aging Kumbu, who usually is a one-pop per day kind of guy. But this being my last night and all, I figured I could handle it.

She agreed, and so I went shopping. Had fun on the town, rubbing shoulders with the affluent in Siam Paragon, and the backpackers in MBK. Man, that's exhausting business. Anyway, long story short, I was ready to rumble at 8 pm sharp. She Lined me saying she'll be a few minutes late. And she asked if I wanted ST or LT. The night before she had told me that she doesn't do LT because she needs to get home to her kid. But for her, LT is 8000 baht. OOooh, I had a good chuckle about that. So I said ST, for sure. She asked if I was sure, and I said oh yeah, baby, definitely sure.

Then a few minutes after that, she Lined me again saying 8:45, sorry kaa, etc. Just then, I get a buzz on Line from Pattii. . . The big-breasted girl from several nights earlier, asking if I was interested in a quickie, should she come to my hotel? Hmm. . . I was very tempted. . . But no, I turned her down. I wanted more of the gorgeous Naan. And as I was finishing up rejecting Pattii, Naan finally arrives, and she's looking like a bowl of fruit, with some fresh yogurt on top. Never mind that I am lactose intolerant. She's wearing a peach colored skin-tight blouse with white pants and stacked high heels. The heels and loose fitting pants highlight the ass that we all experienced in the previous post, and her blouse highlights the size and heft of her boobs. Here's where I realize that I never actually got into her boobs the night before; that is something we shall have to rectify.

[B]Warming Up[/B]

I welcome her into the room, we hug and kiss, then the chattering begins. The chatting was more of the same: fluent, easy, natural, and very comfortable. I won't bore you with those details. But 45 minutes later, she finally goes in for the shower. Remember, the night before, the lights had been out totally, so I didn't really see her body in full form. I had given her a massage with the lights on, so I had seen her backside, but not so much her front side, and not her whole figure in the full light.

She came out of the shower with her towel on, and she looked super. I went in, and when I came out she was on the bed with her towel on. Before we began, she asks what I like. I said I like to touch, kiss and explore. I asked her what she likes, and she says donkey style. Ok then.

[B]Every Star Eventually Dims[/B]

What follows was a series of steps down from the lofty plateau that we had reached the night before. Each one was like a shot to the gut for me. I so wanted her to succeed tonight: I was willing to tip very generously. But sadly, step after step, I became more and more disappointed. Some were physical disappointments, but others were more serious disappointments.

So I slowly remove the towel and take a peek at her boobs, and. . . Oh dear. What a disappointment. I had not even noticed this the night before, but they were scarred and stretch marked. I mean, she must have had large mammaries when she was breast feeding, because they were now like deflated balloons, and because of that, there was slight clumping of skin around the nipples and serious stretch marks. It wasn't terrible: I've seen (and sucked) far worse, but it was not in keeping with the perfection that I thought she embodied. That's not her fault, it's all my fault, but still, this was the first step down.

She commented about how she is sensitive about her nipples. I thought she meant she was ashamed, but she went on to explain that she does not like people sucking her nipples. Since she gave birth and breast fed her child, she feels that her boobs are an intimate part of her experience with her child. And to share that with strangers for money felt bad for her. I get that, but I think she's in the wrong line of work if that's the case. I mean seriously: what kind of WG says no boob sucking?! Step #2.

I looked over the rest of her body, this time in full light (as opposed to the previous night, when I had purposely switched off all the lights). What I saw was severely disappointing. Besides her aged boobs, her belly had the classic child bearing signature to it. It had ruffled skin with significant curdling around the belly. Now, I know this is something out side of the control of a woman. Having a child is not an easy thing, especially when done at a young age with few resources, and no support of any kind. It does damage to the body, and we really ought to have sympathy for women in this situation. All that is true, but in this particular case, when I am paying for the pleasure of her body, the quality of that body matters. And I'm sorry to say that the state of her front side was downright unacceptable. Her backside was an absolute wonder of nature, but her front side was a disaster. Step 3 . . . We're descending fast here. . .

Anyway, I had done DATY the night before, and she was not particularly up for it this time. Instead, to my great horror, she pulls out a bottle of lube. Ugh, I hate the sight of that! First, I hate the smell of lube, and I hate the fact that she's not willing to put in the time and effort to get wet. Step 4. But before that, she asks for a condom. I put on Mr Trojan, and she gets on all fours and starts sucking the trojan. Hmmm.

There are few things less appealing than having a working girl sucking on a piece of rubber, stopping every once in a while to wipe the taste of the rubber off their tongue with the towel. So little Kumbu was not coming out of his shell. He was as flaccid as a wet dish towel, despite her best efforts to reach him through the raincoat. Step 5, I think I am losing count here. . . She then dropped down and started licking my balls. At least there was that, right? The problem was that I had in mind the body-busting experience of Phammy from a few nights earlier, who had done a seriously good job at ball sucking. Well, no, more like ball electrocuting. So compared to that, this was kind of tepid. Nothing particularly earth shattering. And in fact, if you read the Phammy post you will see that her technique was so good that it drained blood from little Kumbu. But here, Naan was actually stimulating little Kumbu into a half erection. So in that sense it was working, but only because it was not as good as the other night.

But at least she was trying. She then pulls up, wipes her mouth again (yekh), and then pours a glob of lube onto the condom. She then mounts me and starts pumping. It felt like I had inserted my dick into a wanking machine. I mean, it was technically well done, but it felt very. . . Technical, mechanical, metronomic. She was pumping at a regular, well-rehearsed, perfectly-paced speed. It started slowly and every 30 seconds or so, she would up the pace. She was going through the gears, simple as that. Step. . . What was it again?

Once she hit top speed, she cruised for 60 seconds or so, then switched into reverse CG. Here, at least, she flared her right butt cheek to give me a direct glimpse into her butthole (which I remind you, was actually pretty damned perfect). I poked and rubbed it a little, then grabbed each of her butt cheeks and squeezed. . . Hard. . . Harder than I needed to. That's the bastard Kumbu coming out.

She tolerates my man-handling of her butt, and then switches into missionary. And here, I was getting nothing from her. I pumped for a good 5 minutes and I could feel little Kumbu losing power. There was remarkably little friction in her oversized pussy, and the smell of the lube was just turning my stomach. So I asked her to switch to "donkey". My thought was that I would just finish up and be done with things. I could then rest up and hit NEP later in the evening. I expected her to agree eagerly, since she had just told me that is her favorite position. But she said she would prefer to stay like this for a while. Hmm, okaaaay. . .

But as I pumped more, I was losing more and more of my erection. So I urged her to flip around, and she then did switch over. I climbed onto her and inserted, and for some reason, it was not working for me here either. I pumped, and pumped some more, and little Kumbu was not getting his mojo back. I looked down at her pert little butthole, and hoped that sight would raise little Kumbu from the dead. I rubbed it, poked it, rubbed some more. Nothing. I put my finger into her butthole and tried to feel the little crinkles. That ALWAYS works for me! But nothing. I grabbed both her butt cheeks as I fucked and tried lifting and dropping them. That feeling and sight is usually my go-to move to get little Kumbu up and ready to March. But the little fucker was fast asleep, interested only in a little nap. After a little bit, I got so flaccid that little Kumbu just slipped right out of her pussy, feeble and wet with lube. A pathetic end to a pathetic session.

"Why? What happen?

It isn't you (lie), it's me. Don't worry, it's all ok.

You see, it was very hard to put into words what was wrong. It's [B]amazing[/B] how mental all of this is. The night before, I was in a different state of mind, and this girl was absolutely untouchable. Last night little Kumbu was in danger of rupturing a vein, but now, in a new frame of mind, with a few extra pieces of information, this girl was no longer untouchable, but now occupied a whole new territory in my estimation. I was totally not interested in her. Whatever switch had been flipped, she had gone from goddess to nothing in my mind. I think it was a combination of the errata on her front side, her lack of punctuality, her imposition of rules (no boob sucking, resistance to doggie), and that fucking lube. Such a turn off.

And then came the killer blow. As we lay there, me trying to understand what just happened, she says that earlier, on Line, she asked about whether I was interested in LT because she had to pawn her phone today in order to make rent. I looked at her, pointedly, unflinching. She said that she had traded her iPhone for a crappy Android phone so she could make rent. So she was hoping I would take her LT so she could get her iPhone back. She was obviously trying to lay this story off in a casual, nonchalant manner, but girlie, Meryl Streep you ain't. I could see through this acting job from a mile away.

This is what is called an upsell. She was selling a sob story here, right at the end of the event, hoping that I would spring for the extra money. It was such a rouse, an old story, an old hack to try to extract extra cash. She was calculating that this is my last night, so what do I have to lose? And we had had a great night the night before, so there's a decent chance I would go for it. But in my mind, this was just further evidence that despite all the trappings of a sophisticated, different girl, ultimately, she was just another girl trying to get the better of the hustle. I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. It's exactly what she should be doing. But it reveals to me my own weakness: the desire and susceptibility to believe that you can connect with humans in a meaningful way in this business.

I know, I know, that's folly. But it's a natural instinct within me, and I can't shake it. And I can tell you that I will do this very same thing again and again and again. That's just how it will be for me.

I've had this con pulled on me dozens of times over the years. It is so fucking transparent; it has never worked on me, but it obviously works on some guys, which is why it keeps popping up again and again. So I urge her to beat it. She senses a sea change has occurred, so she hurries into the shower. I can see the concern and confusion on her face. The night before I had treated her like a princess, and she could see that something had changed, and that the game was over. When you're used to being the brightest star in the sky, it's not easy to become another brick in the wall.

I pay her the regular amount (3000), so I did not short change her or anything, since she did not really do anything wrong [I]per se[/I]. After all, she can't control my state of mind. She did not deserve to be short changed, nor to be treated so curtly. I was never rude or mean to her, but I was not the same old carefree and easy going Kumbu. So she leaves, and as she does, she asks "Will I see you again?" I look at her, and her gorgeous eyes do nothing for me now. I know that is the last time I will see her, and I tell her "Good luck. ".

Such a shame, but better to know than to not know.

So I showered, rested for a while, wrote up a previous report for ISG, and then went out in search of an elixir that would sooth away this grumpiness. And just to warn you, what I found was wild, untethered-from-reality, and a really awesome end to a week in BKK. I look forward to sharing this experience with you all. It more than made up for the disappointment of Naan.

Basically two things happened here.

1. Last time you did not tried many things (I guess, can't remember from prev FR) like "donkey", BBBJ etc. So this time you were destined to be surprised and disappointed.

2. Her physical appearance turned off your mood. Happened a quite a few time with me too.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2299121]

There are few things less appealing than having a working girl sucking on a piece of rubber, stopping every once in a while to wipe the taste of the rubber off their tongue with the towel.
[/QUOTE]It's not possible for me to agree more. Just couple of nights back, the girl I recently wrote FR of, did the same thing. Except she atleast did bareback. But still stopping every 1 minute was annoying.

Overall, a again kudos for effort put in the report. Also, happy for you that ended your last night on high note.

Yes, sure bro! Posted now.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2299066]Prateek, you post a link on the Links to Reports of Distinction if you like someone's review.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2009-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction[/URL][/QUOTE]

While waiting for a flight out of Bangkok's Suvarnabhumi airport, got talking to a bro who works for a mining company near Perth, Australia.

He spends lots of time on company business in Bangkok, sharing an apartment on the West side of the Chao Phraya with a Nana Plaza girl, paying about $200 a month, which also includes sex and homemade meals. It's an excellent deal considering he would have to pay close to $2,000 for rent alone in Perth with a wife and no sex, no meals hehe. He gave up a permanent home in Perth and lives in a hotel for the few weeks he had to come home. He said regional airfares are so cheap he can go back and forth without spending too much on transportation, and actually spend less on living expenses.

Young Thai girls in Bangkok are now much better-looking than I remember only a few years back. Would be very nice to set up household with a hot girl if you can put up with the heat, humidity, noise, dust and pollution in the city. Perhaps sponsoring a hot student and help her get education and embark on a professional career?

If the bro reads ISG, would like to connect for the next meeting in Nana Plaza.

Hi all, I am headed to Bangkok in a week or two and am just wondering if anyone can give an update on the scene?

I like Crazy House, Kasalong, and the occasional Nana Park FL. I saw a really nice young one on my way back from Kasalong in January. She was standing a ways down close to the Family Mart by Hillary's. Boy was she ever cute. She wanted 1500 baht but I was just too shagged out.

I don't expect to make it to Pattaya this time but if do I'd like to return to Telephone Bar. Any news? What about Beach Road? And if I do go which inexpensive GF hotel should I stay in this time, close to Becah Road and Walking street. Any suggestions much appreciated.

Cheers!

I forgot. Last time I went to All Stars for the first time and had a god time with Tatar. I was hoping to meet Nancy or May. They were not around and Nancy sure looks cute on her picture. Any news on either of these girls?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;2299509]Hi all, I am headed to Bangkok in a week or two and am just wondering if anyone can give an update on the scene?

I like Crazy House, Kasalong, and the occasional Nana Park FL. I saw a really nice young one on my way back from Kasalong in January. She was standing a ways down close to the Family Mart by Hillary's. Boy was she ever cute. She wanted 1500 baht but I was just too shagged out.

I don't expect to make it to Pattaya this time but if do I'd like to return to Telephone Bar. Any news? What about Beach Road? And if I do go which inexpensive GF hotel should I stay in this time, close to Becah Road and Walking street. Any suggestions much appreciated.

Cheers![/QUOTE]As of last night, March 20:

Its getting hot.

There was good talent in Thermae and not a lot of punters. Girls are wacking the Asians for 5 k a pop and the pay so the next time a termae girl refuses you you know why.

The Nana FLs were poor.

The Lip Service girls at Kasalong, L*s, Wood Bar, chrome and magic table were hideous.

Can't help you with GoGos.

Great Burrito at Margarita Madness. First time I ever walked in there and I was impressed.

My recent technique at term a has-been to just chat with a girl I think is hot, and then tell her good night. Then I'll see her in a couple of days when I go back, and chat with her again. After about 3 weeks, they're grabbing me.

You visitors to Bangkok upcoming have a good time, like I said, it's getting nasty hot. I'm out of here soon for my summer break. Only a mad dog or an Englishman goes to Thailand in the summer.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2299545]
There was good talent in Thermae and not a lot of punters. Girls are wacking the Asians for 5 k a pop and the pay so the next time a termae girl refuses you you know why.[/QUOTE]5 K? Seriously? Is that the normal going rate at Thermae now?

Hi guys,

I will be hitting some of the following places in Bangkok today. Please recommend the ST and LT prices. It would be really helpful. Further, please suggest the best nuru massage in BKK.

1. Thermae.

2. Mixx.

3. Insanity.

4. Shock39.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2299607]5 K? Seriously? Is that the normal going rate at Thermae now?[/QUOTE]I'm assuming for LT. In October was the usual 2500 baht.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2299607]5 K? Seriously? Is that the normal going rate at Thermae now?[/QUOTE]Beats me, I pay between 2-3. Lot of times I refuse them at 3 and in a week or so, they are grabbing my arm.

Once we got into my room, Kim started off shy. We had a nice shower together, she took the initiative in soaping-up each other. She gave me a stellar blow job in the shower. I enjoyed running my soapy hands all over her nice, petite body and huge tits. She was completely shaved, which I really like. She looks better than her photos. The sex that followed was even better. Kim is a passionate kisser but it was FS where she really excelled. After pleasuring each other with oral, she suited me up and climbed on in CG and proceeded to bounce like a maniac. I don't think I've ever had anyone ride me like that. She had a finger on her clit as she bounced and was practically screaming. After she climaxed we cycled through a few additional positions with me eventually finishing all over her enormous rack. Highly recommended.

Couple of days back one of my regular contact shared an freelancer (her line ID). Suggested me to meet her, she needed some money and other stuff. I said sure, let me see. I saw the pics on line, and as you can see the girl looked good enough.

So I asked her price, she said 3000ST. I countered with 2000 and deal was finalized for the same night.

Though she messaged me later on and asked if she can come early. I didn't have any problem with that. When I met her she is on little fat side from pics. Other than that she was same as in pics. Now as you know from my previous posts, I don't have problem with big girls, but really, who likes surprises.

Reached in bed, did couple of minutes of talking and she asked for shower. Both went in and she took her cloths off. I never asked if she had a baby or not, but there was no baby mark or tattoo. She had nice boobs, smooth skins.

After shower she asked what I like to do. Now, this question always gets me, and I never really have good answer for this. So I started kissing her, she responded with enthusiasm. Her kisses were little sloppy, as her technique is something which can be improved. Also, she used too much tounge. Maybe others like it but I like it in the right proportion. But still I liked the kissing as she was quite into it.

After more foreplay, she moved to my dick. Started with licking my balls, then kissing the top of dick, and then in seconds my whole cock was gone. I can't see it, it was under her mouth. I love deep throat, especially when they do it without asking. She was quite good. The best part, she never went to condom, and tried to wrap it. She kept doing it for good 15 minutes I think. Then she asked for condom. After putting it, we moved to miss position. After few thrusts, she came on top. Now, I didn't liked wot with her even though her boobs in front of me, for me to play, was quite tempting. But still, I asked to do it again in missionary.

I loved the sensation of my chest rubbing her soft boobs. I delayed the ejaculations for a good time. Whenever I was about to come, I slowed myself. Why, because her pussy was quite tight. Maybe tightest I had in a while. We did it for good 15 minutes and she came a good amount of times during that.

Overall, it was pretty good experience.

Looks. Ok.

Attitude. Best.

GFE. Quite good.

BJ. Dame to kill for.

Pussy. Tight.

Wir. Just for that BJ, for sure.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2299121]The previous night, unwittingly, I had been the victim of my own fantasizing. I had "connected" with a gorgeous Thermae girl. I thought that the honesty that she was sharing with me somehow gave me a unique insight into this girl. That she was different. But on this second night, where I chose to repeat with her, I discovered that yes, she is [B]different, but also same-same[/B].
[/QUOTE]

That was a great read Kumbu. Most of us have been in similar situations, but very few have the ability to put it in words as well as you did.

I always dread repeating a girl that has been exceptionally good, since there's a low chance they live up to expectations, and a non-negligible risk it would end up in semi-disaster and cast a shadow on the amazing memory of the initial session. Those memories matter for future fantasies!

Over the years, I found only a handful of girls who were both exceptional the first time and kept delivering a great feeling each time, Ying from Tulip is one, and Nan from Star of Light another one.

For me, it's almost better to repeat with a girl who was solid, well above average, but with flaws, since there's more of a chance the second session will be as good or better.

That makes me feel should have a try.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2299794]Couple of days back one of my regular contact shared an freelancer (her line ID). Suggested me to meet her, she needed some money and other stuff. I said sure, let me see. I saw the pics on line, and as you can see the girl looked good enough.

So I asked her price, she said 3000ST. I countered with 2000 and deal was finalized for the same night.

Though she messaged me later on and asked if she can come early. I didn't have any problem with that. When I met her she is on little fat side from pics. Other than that she was same as in pics. Now as you know from my previous posts, I don't have problem with big girls, but really, who likes surprises.

Reached in bed, did couple of minutes of talking and she asked for shower. Both went in and she took her cloths off. I never asked if she had a baby or not, but there was no baby mark or tattoo. She had nice boobs, smooth skins..[/QUOTE]

Rainbow 2 and the YUGE amount of coyotes. How can they do it financially. Most of the coyotes are below average in looks. LOL. Can't see how they are cost effective. By 10:30 on a weekday the bar lacks customers.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2299794]Couple of days back one of my regular contact shared an freelancer (her line ID). Suggested me to meet her, she needed some money and other stuff. I said sure, let me see. I saw the pics on line, and as you can see the girl looked good enough.

Overall, it was pretty good experience.

Looks. Ok.

Attitude. Best.

GFE. Quite good.

BJ. Dame to kill for.

Pussy. Tight.

Wir. Just for that BJ, for sure.[/QUOTE]She lists her weight on TF. Nice report.

Thanks for your nice report. How long did she stay for the 2000?

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2299794]Couple of days back one of my regular contact shared an freelancer (her line ID). Suggested me to meet her, she needed some money and other stuff. I said sure, let me see. I saw the pics on line, and as you can see the girl looked good enough.

So I asked her price, she said 3000ST. I countered with 2000 and deal was finalized for the same night.

Though she messaged me later on and asked if she can come early. I didn't have any problem with that. When I met her she is on little fat side from pics. Other than that she was same as in pics. Now as you know from my previous posts, I don't have problem with big girls, but really, who likes surprises.

Reached in bed, did couple of minutes of talking and she asked for shower. Both went in and she took her cloths off. I never asked if she had a baby or not, but there was no baby mark or tattoo. She had nice boobs, smooth skins..[/QUOTE]

Anyone know the highest % of STD's in Thailand?

What are you usually testing "back from Thailand"?

How did you do reverse search on her on TF?

[QUOTE=IMembr;2299956]She lists her weight on TF. Nice report.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomster99;2300021]Thanks for your nice report. How long did she stay for the 2000?[/QUOTE]For one shot.

I think everything including shower before and after was over in couple of hours.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2300313]For one shot.

I think everything including shower before and after was over in couple of hours.[/QUOTE]Charlie Sheen says, "we pay them to leave". 2 hours is just enough.

RL.

[QUOTE=Tomster99;2300029]Anyone know the highest % of STD's in Thailand?

What are you usually testing "back from Thailand"?[/QUOTE]I don't know any percentages, but the only things I have heard of people catching are Gonnoreah (sorry about spelling) and Chlamydia. These ones are caught very easily. Maybe I read about Herpes once. Genital Warts maybe another thing caught, don't know.

The common testing will be for HIV even though far less likely to catch.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2299066]Prateek, you post a link on the Links to Reports of Distinction if you like someone's review.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2009-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction[/URL][/QUOTE]You can even say why you like the report so much in the Report's of Distinction thread. A like button is so meaningless really.

[QUOTE=TheDarkLord101;2299614]Hi guys,

I will be hitting some of the following places in Bangkok today. Please recommend the ST and LT prices. It would be really helpful. Further, please suggest the best nuru massage in BKK.

1. Thermae.

2. Mixx.

3. Insanity.

4. Shock39.[/QUOTE]I would never go to Shock again. Really bad in many ways, maybe I am too old for that sort of shit. I can't say the best Nuru, but you could state how you like it to give guys a bit more clue. For me it largely depends on the girl and I lost all my MP favourites.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2299816]
For me, it's almost better to repeat with a girl who was solid, well above average, but with flaws, since there's more of a chance the second session will be as good or better.[/QUOTE]No girl can be exactly the same level in all cases, yet there is always a good chance of improvement if she likes you. Some of my girls improved a lot on the 2nd try, but that was not going to make me stop there. The very best girls could decline slightly, but still be better than 99%.

Sometimes an apparent decline is actually a decline in the guy's performance, attitude, mood etc.

Kumbu's girl did not decline. He just was blinded by lust the first time. Happens! He was probably mad to pass up Pattii with the big tits.

I have found that sometimes choosing a stunning girl with a fab body, can turn into a great session with no disappointment at all, and have me definitely returning for more. Such a girl does not have to have a bad attitude. It is worth the risk when we sometimes get a suprising girl. These girls don't seem to decline much, unless something major happened like having a baby, going on drugs, etc.

People don't change that much. However a girl can perform much better if she decides she actually likes you more than she first thought and now is horny, and has had a few leg openers. Girls can improve very quickly. Usually major decline is over a longer period of time.

Fabulous girls first time maybe freaky, but I would never avoid them. That is way too negative. I would know if the body was bad the first time.

I am the reverse. I have a list of maybe 6 girls that I still miss after many years. These were girls that I got to fuck only once, was sent to heaven, then for one reason or another, never saw them again. Naturally they were almost all in the exceptionally pretty category with great bodies, or maybe the odd one was just exceptionally passionate without being quite stunning. Getting to do an exceptional girl only once is not better, maybe worse than missing out on a girl altogether. At least the girls I wanted to do but never had the chance may not have been this great.

The toughest experience ever was Cindy a stunning vivacious blonde Farang girl with upturned nose and big naturals at least C, who enjoyed our first encounter having just managed to fit me into her schedule, and the next day she came for me in her poor English saying "Cindy is here for you" , but I could not accept having got a bad belly from eating prawns. Had to stay in the toilet for some time at home. Never was another chance as she was just being an amateur hooker for that weekend, to accompany her GF. As she was not a proper hooker, and so good looking, she could virtually choose her customers, rather than the reverse. Now its 15 years later, I still wish I had another chance with her or more. She will be late 30s by now but possibly still gorgeous or could be a fatty by now.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2300350] I don't know any percentages, but the only things I have heard of people catching are Gonnoreah (sorry about spelling) and Chlamydia. These ones are caught very easily.[/QUOTE]I just caught something about a week ago. Probably from a BBBJ. I think it is either Chlamydia or Gonorrhea. The main issue is a terrible burning sensation when peeeing. It is really nasty.

So I walked into a clinic in Pattaya and the chick there nodded and said that my STD was quite common. She said that they treat gonorrhea and chlamydia together, so that meant an injection in the arse (for the possibility of gonorrhea), plus 4 pills amounting to 1 gram of azithromycin (for both chlamydia and gonorrhea). They didn't even bother to test me for what I had. For the treatment I was charged 2500 baht.

I know one thing for sure, and that is that I will never be engaging in any uncovered activities again. I never want to experience this pain again, and in my opinion BBBJ's are highy over-rated.

It is Gonorrhea, however the easiest treatment is Norfloxacin 1 G one shot and td for 5 days thereafter.

[QUOTE=Franga;2300380]I just caught something about a week ago. Probably from a BBBJ. I think it is either Chlamydia or Gonorrhea. The main issue is a terrible burning sensation when peeeing. It is really nasty.

So I walked into a clinic in Pattaya and the chick there nodded and said that my STD was quite common. She said that they treat gonorrhea and chlamydia together, so that meant an injection in the arse (for the possibility of gonorrhea), plus 4 pills amounting to 1 gram of azithromycin (for both chlamydia and gonorrhea). They didn't even bother to test me for what I had. For the treatment I was charged 2500 baht.

I know one thing for sure, and that is that I will never be engaging in any uncovered activities again. I never want to experience this pain again, and in my opinion BBBJ's are highy over-rated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChoduMadan;2300383]It is Gonorrhea, however the easiest treatment is Norfloxacin 1 G one shot and td for 5 days thereafter.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am wondering what it actually is. Initially, like for the first week there was absolutely no discharge, but just in the last 24 hrs there is a small clear yellowish discharge at times. It just seems to be getting worse even two days after taking the medication. I may have to find a proper doctor and some extra medication. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Franga;2300380] They didn't even bother to test me for what I had. For the treatment I was charged 2500 baht.
[/QUOTE]I think you got ripped off badly.

Firstly you get treatments from a pharmacy for both of those much more cheaply. May make sense to treat for both. However other conditions are probably possible.

I don't know if there is Red Cross in Pattaya but in Bangkok one could be tested and get fast diagnosis for maybe 300 or 400 Baht.

So that is what I would do at first sign of anything wrong, then the pharmacy are experts in the treatment as good as anyone else.

Yes I once got Chlamydia from a BBBJ (most likely), many years ago. Still you have to be unlucky.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2300423]I think you got ripped off badly.
[/QUOTE]Yes, I had a bad feeling about it at the time, but I wasn't about to argue about the price. I wasn't even given a receipt. It was all pretty dodgy.

I will check out whether there is a Red Cross in Pattaya. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2300423]I think you got ripped off badly.

Firstly you get treatments from a pharmacy for both of those much more cheaply. May make sense to treat for both. However other conditions are probably possible.

I don't know if there is Red Cross in Pattaya but in Bangkok one could be tested and get fast diagnosis for maybe 300 or 400 Baht.

So that is what I would do at first sign of anything wrong, then the pharmacy are experts in the treatment as good as anyone else.

Yes I once got Chlamydia from a BBBJ (most likely), many years ago. Still you have to be unlucky.[/QUOTE]Pharmacies in Thailand can do STD tests? They can give you a shot in the ass for gonorrhea? Would that not be practicing medicine without a license? Regarding Red Cross on Bangkok, I went there a year ago, paid for the test, and was told I would have the result in 2 weeks, which would have been after I left, so it was useless for me.

I went to the Pattaya Memorial Hospital last year for diagnosis and treatment and was charged 3100 baht, so 2500 baht is not that bad. There is a clinic, Buakhao Clinic, on Soi Buakhao between Soi 13 and LK Metro Alley that charges 200 baht for gonorrhea testing and 500 baht for chlamydia testing. I don't know how much they charge for the shot and drugs if needed.

[QUOTE=Franga;2300446]Yes, I had a bad feeling about it at the time, but I wasn't about to argue about the price. I wasn't even given a receipt. It was all pretty dodgy.

I will check out whether there is a Red Cross in Pattaya. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Maybe you don't have STD or maybe your treatment was not well prescibed, before taking any treatment better to have a test to rule out any other bacterial infection. Taking unecessary antibiotics or the treatment is not well prescribed may make your body worse and can lead your body to drug resistance in the future. You may experience urinary tract infection that's not STD. I don't know anything about Thailand. Just find a hospital and get tested in order to have the right treament. You should have an urinalysis to rule out any other urinary tract infection that's performed in the office of the doctor.

I am dermanologist / venereologist in Brazil.

[QUOTE=Franga;2300413]Yes, I am wondering what it actually is. Initially, like for the first week there was absolutely no discharge, but just in the last 24 hrs there is a small clear yellowish discharge at times. It just seems to be getting worse even two days after taking the medication. I may have to find a proper doctor and some extra medication. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I went through a similar thing 10 years ago. From memory it kept getting worse for a couple of days after taking the prescribed medication and I doubted that it would work. Then on the 3rd or 4th day it got better and was gone by the 5th day.

If you are into the 3rd day of meds, you may as well just finish the course and then if it doesn't clear up look at other solutions.

Azithromycin is one of the most common anti biotics out there, so since you are into the 3rd day of the course you don't have much to lose by just finishing the course

Bubba, Monger, and Jimmy.

Many thanks guys for your advice. Yes, I think I need to find a hospital today and try to get a test to see what this is. Unfortunately it is election day today so many businesses are supposedly closed, but probably hospitals are okay.

It is just starting day 3 after treatment today and like you say Bubba it just seems to be getting worse, There is a small clear yellow discharge at the tip, and it seems like the whole urethra is getting inflamed. Having a peee is a nightmare and very painful.

There is no course of meds Bubba. It was an injection to the ass followed by 1 gram of azithromycin taken all at once with 4 pills.

Actually I spoke to the chick who I thought I caught it off. She assures me that she is fine, and that she doesn't have any std's. But maybe there is symptomless gonorrhea sitting at the back of her throat. She says that she often gets tested every few months for a cost of 300 baht.

Board Members, sorry for hijacking the Bangkok thread.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2300515]Pharmacies in Thailand can do STD tests? They can give you a shot in the ass for gonorrhea? Would that not be practicing medicine without a license? Regarding Red Cross on Bangkok, I went there a year ago, paid for the test, and was told I would have the result in 2 weeks, which would have been after I left, so it was useless for me.
[/QUOTE]I never said that Pharmacies do tests but their knowledge can be good on common complaints, once you have been tested and know what is the condition. They know what to do for girls needing the morning after pill. Ha ha. Even doctors guess conditions wrongly so tests are better. Doctors often skip a test and diagnose wrongly. I have the experience of that.

You do not state what was the test that would take 2 weeks. I have never had to wait that long for anything I was tested for, certainly it is not that long to wait for Chlamydia or Gonorreah. Red Cross is both fast and cheap. HIV test is in 2 stages. The first (fairly reliable) result is within 1 hour. It will detect HIV unless was contacted in the last 2 weeks. They then do a 2nd test called amplification, that takes maybe 3 days, when one would be notified only if got a positive.

People are advised to wait for test results, however in practice, if my dick had a serious problem, I would start treating as soon as possible, but get the tests immediately first to make sure was on the right track. I don't like to take anti-biotics unless something really warrants it. Anti-biotics have good and bad effects.

One website recommends Swing Health Centre, Pattaya, however I have not used it nor know the prices.

[QUOTE=Franga;2300593]
There is no course of meds Bubba. It was an injection to the ass followed by 1 gram of azithromycin taken all at once with 4 pills.[/QUOTE]Usually azithromycin is taken as a course, it is usually 1 pill per day for 4 or 5 days. Are you absolutely sure it was meant to be taken all at once. ?

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2300642]Usually azithromycin is taken as a course, it is usually 1 pill per day for 4 or 5 days. Are you absolutely sure it was meant to be taken all at once. ?[/QUOTE]Yes I am sure that it taken all at once and at the time of the injection. That is what I am reading on all of the websites. They do mention doxycycline as an alternative to azithromycin and that is taken as a 5 day course I think.

[QUOTE=Franga;2300593]Bubba, Monger, and Jimmy.

Many thanks guys for your advice. Yes, I think I need to find a hospital today and try to get a test to see what this is. Unfortunately it is election day today so many businesses are supposedly closed, but probably hospitals are okay.

It is just starting day 3 after treatment today and like you say Bubba it just seems to be getting worse, There is a small clear yellow discharge at the tip, and it seems like the whole urethra is getting inflamed. Having a peee is a nightmare and very painful.

There is no course of meds Bubba. It was an injection to the ass followed by 1 gram of azithromycin taken all at once with 4 pills.

Actually I spoke to the chick who I thought I caught it off. She assures me that she is fine, and that she doesn't have any std's. But maybe there is symptomless gonorrhea sitting at the back of her throat. She says that she often gets tested every few months for a cost of 300 baht.

Board Members, sorry for hijacking the Bangkok thread.[/QUOTE]Hello Franga,

I'm sorry to know about your ordeal. I've read through your posts and other learned members' responses as well. I'm not a qualified medical professional, but I've gone through severe UTI few years back. So, as an old patient, daring to compose this note.

You would need to have better and thorough medical consultation urgently.

You might want to have a quick STD panel test plus check for UTI culture to identify the bacteria.

Wish you a speedy recovery from a fellow punter in Bangalore, India.

Regards,

MSL.

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2300642]Usually azithromycin is taken as a course, it is usually 1 pill per day for 4 or 5 days. Are you absolutely sure it was meant to be taken all at once. ?[/QUOTE]Azithromycin will be taken generally (1000 MG) in one dose. 2 500 MG pills, or 4 250 MG pills. That takes care of the chlamydia, but not gonnorrhea. You will get a shot of Ceftraxione for gonnorhea. Both those meds will take care of anything you could have as far as minor sti's. It will take about a week before you should have any unprotected sexual contact without being contagious. I'll f Azuthromycin didn't work. The you would take doxycycline everdday (2 times 100 MG) for 7 days.

[QUOTE=Zeus9;2300655]Azithromycin will be taken generally (1000 MG) in one dose. 2 500 MG pills, or 4 250 MG pills. That takes care of the chlamydia, but not gonnorrhea. You will get a shot of Ceftraxione for gonnorhea. Both those meds will take care of anything you could have as far as minor sti's. It will take about a week before you should have any unprotected sexual contact without being contagious. I'll f Azuthromycin didn't work. The you would take doxycycline everdday (2 times 100 MG) for 7 days.[/QUOTE]That makes perfect sense. Thanks for the clarification.

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;2299509]Hi all, I am headed to Bangkok in a week or two and am just wondering if anyone can give an update on the scene?

I like Crazy House, Kasalong, and the occasional Nana Park FL. I saw a really nice young one on my way back from Kasalong in January. She was standing a ways down close to the Family Mart by Hillary's. Boy was she ever cute. She wanted 1500 baht but I was just too shagged out.

I don't expect to make it to Pattaya this time but if do I'd like to return to Telephone Bar. Any news? What about Beach Road? And if I do go which inexpensive GF hotel should I stay in this time, close to Becah Road and Walking street. Any suggestions much appreciated.

Cheers![/QUOTE]Pattaya is still working girl heaven. Just walk down either side of Beach Road to Walking Street and there's a girl every 5 feet.

People complain about the talent all over BKK and Pattaya, but if you take your time, you can find something good.

I still like Soi 6 the best as far as money and value and cuteness and Red Point Bar always has a few I like.

[QUOTE=Franga;2300593]Bubba, Monger, and Jimmy.

Many thanks guys for your advice. Yes, I think I need to find a hospital today and try to get a test to see what this is. Unfortunately it is election day today so many businesses are supposedly closed, but probably hospitals are okay.

It is just starting day 3 after treatment today and like you say Bubba it just seems to be getting worse, There is a small clear yellow discharge at the tip, and it seems like the whole urethra is getting inflamed. Having a peee is a nightmare and very painful.

There is no course of meds Bubba. It was an injection to the ass followed by 1 gram of azithromycin taken all at once with 4 pills.

Actually I spoke to the chick who I thought I caught it off. She assures me that she is fine, and that she doesn't have any std's. But maybe there is symptomless gonorrhea sitting at the back of her throat. She says that she often gets tested every few months for a cost of 300 baht.

Board Members, sorry for hijacking the Bangkok thread.[/QUOTE]Gonorrhea, chlamydia and trichomoniasis are often symptomless because their immune system can control it and people infect their partners without knowing they are infected and they are cured overtime without knowing they were infected.

Maybe she recently contracted and infect you without knowing, maybe she did not get tested. Just find an accredited doctor by preference (urologist or venereologist). The problem may be caused by parasite (trichomoniasis) or caused by urinary tract infection (not std) or your treatment was not well prescribed (gonorrhea and chlamydia). That's why you have to get tested from an accredited medical center.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2300515] They can give you a shot in the ass for gonorrhea? Would that not be practicing medicine without a license? [/QUOTE]I'm not sure if they would do it for gonorrhea but I received a few shots of antibiotics in the ass a few years ago from a pharmacist in Pattaya for an open wound on my toe that got worse after a few days. But you've got to find the independent pharmacies (no brand on it, preferably written in Thai) and it would be better if the pharmacist is an older guy.

[QUOTE=Franga;2300593]It is just starting day 3 after treatment today and like you say Bubba it just seems to be getting worse, There is a small clear yellow discharge at the tip, and it seems like the whole urethra is getting inflamed. Having a peee is a nightmare and very painful.

There is no course of meds Bubba. It was an injection to the ass followed by 1 gram of azithromycin taken all at once with 4 pills..[/QUOTE]Hi Franga,

Sorry to hear what you're going through.

I too caught some std that had the exact same effects than the one you described (except it healed before any yellow discharge happened).

It was burning like hell at the point that I was very scared every time I had to go and have a pee.

I did just arrived back in my country when I realized it (I could clearly identify the moment I caught it, 2 days before my flight back).

I didn't go to check it because in my country some of these doctors are *ssh*les than like to make you feel bad when you caught an std or when you're doing a std checkup.

In fact I didn't took any medicine.

I did only 2 things: first drink a lot more water than usual to not let the bacteria go further up in the urethra, and secondly every time I had to go to toilet I took time to slowly spread the skin at the exit of my urethra. Just doing this reduced the pain of maybe 30% because it's the amount of liquid that have to go through that wounded area in an extremely brief time that open and worsen the wound in your urethra caused by the bacteria, and every time I went to toilet the pain was diminishing and I was completely healed after maybe four or five days. But in my case I'm circumcised (it probably helped me a lot) and I caught the disease maybe 4 days earlier.

The girl can have the bacteria in her mouth and never give it to anyone until she does anything weird.

The girl that gave it to me was the exact same girl that I was staying with during my last 2 weeks, and she gave me a lot of BBBJ before she infected me. The moment she infected me, she just spread the skin on the exit of my urethra and licked inside for a few seconds, it was enough to let the bacteria enter the urethra. I remember the next day I already had a strange feeling in my dick when I went to toilet, but as I never caught any std I didn't know what it was until it started burning the next days.

It's probably too late for you to follow only these two steps but I'm pretty sure that even in your condition you should consider drinking a lot more water than usual and even put some lemon in it.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2300762]Just find an accredited doctor by preference (urologist or venereologist). The problem may be caused by parasite (trichomoniasis) or caused by urinary tract infection (not std) or your treatment was not well prescribed (gonorrhea and chlamydia). That's why you have to get tested from an accredited medical center.[/QUOTE]Guys, thanks for all your advice. I have posted in the Safe Sex in Thailand section about my visit to a hospital in Pattaya today.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2300771]I'm not sure if they would do it for gonorrhea but I received a few shots of antibiotics in the ass a few years ago from a pharmacist in Pattaya for an open wound on my toe that got worse after a few days. But you've got to find the independent pharmacies (no brand on it, preferably written in Thai) and it would be better if the pharmacist is an older guy.[/QUOTE]I just bought Ceftraxione (1 MG injectable with lidocaine) and disposable syringes from one of the Pharmacies in Rama 4 right across the street from the hospital and Thai Red Cross testing center. I also picked up the azithromycin there. I had been tested for the range of sti's at Thai Red cross 30 min before, but the test results take around 2 weeks to come back. So I just went with treating myself so that I didn't have to wait 2 weeks to choose what antibiotic treatment was needed. I just watched a youtube vid on how to IM inject. I self injected and took the single dose of Azith and that sorted all symptoms out within a few days. 2 weeks later the results came back that I had contracted Chlamydia, so the shotgun treatment approach saved me time and got rid of the sti sooner.

I know that self diagnosing from the internet is a bad idea in some cases, but with the ease of buying things over the counter in Thailand, it's pretty damn convenient for a common sti. Testing is cheap, but slow. And 250 baht worth of meds solved the problem long before the test results came back.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2300779]
It was burning like hell at the point that I was very scared every time I had to have a peee.

The girl can have the bacteria in her mouth and never give it to anyone until she does anything weird.
The moment she infected me, she just spread the skin on the exit of my urethra and licked inside for a few seconds, it was enough to let the bacteria enter the urethra.[/QUOTE]Hi Paolo, many thanks for your very interesting report. Yes, the burning when peeeing one of the worst things I have ever encountered. I too am fearful. It just makes me realise that I won't be letting any chicks in future suck on my dick. It's just not worth the possible adverse consequences.

I do observe the chick who I thought I caught it off eating a lot prior to servicing me. She doesn't seem to go and clean her teeth prior to seeing me, so I have often wondered what sort of bacterias associated with the food are in her mouth. She does use listerine, but the doctor told me that is not 100% effective.

I am amazed that you recovered without any medications. Maybe it was a non STI?

Yes, good advice on the drinking lots of water. That is one thing that my doctor recommended, so as to help flush out the bacteria in the urethra through more frequent peeeing.

That is a very pertinent observation about the girl licking the inside of your urethra. I will remember that one. Thanks for your input.

[QUOTE=Franga;2301048]I am amazed that you recovered without any medications. Maybe it was a non STI?

Yes, good advice on the drinking lots of water. That is one thing that my doctor recommended, so as to help flush out the bacteria in the urethra through more frequent peeeing.

That is a very pertinent observation about the girl licking the inside of your urethra. I will remember that one. Thanks for your input.[/QUOTE]I'm sure that it was a sti because firstly I never had any infection of any kind before, and secondly I'm aware that the exact same girl infected many other guys also (I didn't know that at the time I was meeting her, I realised it only later), then I felt it was very weird at the moment she licked the inside of the urethra, then the next day I was already feeling a discomfort and it got worse very quickly. The only thing I don't know is which bacteria it was. The fact that she infected other guys in a long period of time (many weeks) also shows that she is probably permanently infected by these bacteria.

Another time I felt the exact same discomfort the next day that a Nana plaza girl gave me a BBBJ and I immediately drank a lot more water to make me going toilet very frequently and the discomfort went away quickly without any side effect, although I cannot be sure for that time but I suspect very strongly that it was another sti because the girl was far from being hygienic.

You've got to act very quickly in these kind of situation to not let the bacteria going further the urethra because it seems that once it arrives in the testicles it's almost impossible to get rid of it.

[QUOTE=Zeus9;2300981]I had been tested for the range of sti's at Thai Red cross 30 min before, but the test results take around 2 weeks to come back. So I just went with treating myself so that I didn't have to wait 2 weeks to choose what antibiotic treatment was needed. I just watched a youtube vid on how to IM inject. I self injected and took the single dose of Azith and that sorted all symptoms out within a few days. 2 weeks later the results came back that I had contracted Chlamydia, so the shotgun treatment approach saved me time and got rid of the sti sooner.

I know that self diagnosing from the internet is a bad idea in some cases, but with the ease of buying things over the counter in Thailand, it's pretty damn convenient for a common sti. Testing is cheap, but slow. And 250 baht worth of meds solved the problem long before the test results came back.[/QUOTE]I can't imagine the pain you would have gone through if you waited 2 weeks to get the results, good move from you.

I too always try to see how I could do to heal it by myself, and when I see a doctor I don't always take blindly what they give to me if I feel it's something weird.

I agree, the fact that we can get a lot of products without prescription is one of the things that I really love in Thailand.

I am off to Thailand, Cambodia and Malaysia for a few weeks.

I have been to BKK a times but just very short transit stays and a few business engagements.

This time I will have 2-3 weeks. Focus would be on freelancers, with occasional gogo pickup.

I have been a member of thaifriendly for almost 3 years but just added paid membership to my account.

Just found that almost 30-40% girls there are free lancers (who admit it upfront).

Price ranges from 1300 (32 years old hot MILF in Pattaya) to 6000 (19 years old fresh school graduate in cheerleader uniform) for ST.

Have spent 2 hra a day for last 4 days and have about 20 contacts lined up in bkk and pattaya.

Will try to post individual reviews as I sample the goods and services.

I wrote a generic message.

Hi. I am xxxx. Coming to BKK for holidays on 28th Mar. Would love to meet for a coffee, meals, beers or more. Cam help.

Cheers.

Sent this to about 150 ladies. Got 50 responses. Have about 20 lined up at line.

Om this note, can a senior member give pointers to raunchiest gogo. Would lime to show pingpong show for once without getting robbed (bucket list).

TIA.

[QUOTE=WrongGuy;2301175] member give pointers to raunchiest gogo. Would lime to show pingpong show for once without getting robbed (bucket list).

TIA.[/QUOTE]Well done on the TF effort. Yes. That is the amount of workload required to find the diamonds in the ruff.

You must directly go to Windmill in Pattaya if you want raunchy.

Be prepared to be scammed / robbed at all pingpong venues. It's non negotiable.

[QUOTE=WrongGuy;2301175]I am off to Thailand, Cambodia and Malaysia for a few weeks.

I have been to BKK a times but just very short transit stays and a few business engagements.

This time I will have 2-3 weeks. Focus would be on freelancers, with occasional gogo pickup.

I have been a member of thaifriendly for almost 3 years but just added paid membership to my account.

Just found that almost 30-40% girls there are free lancers (who admit it upfront).

Price ranges from 1300 (32 years old hot MILF in Pattaya) to 6000 (19 years old fresh school graduate in cheerleader uniform) for ST.

Have spent 2 hra a day for last 4 days and have about 20 contacts lined up in bkk and pattaya.

Will try to post individual reviews as I sample the goods and services.

I wrote a generic message.

Hi. I am xxxx. Coming to BKK for holidays on 28th Mar. Would love to meet for a coffee, meals, beers or more. Cam help.

Cheers.

Sent this to about 150 ladies. Got 50 responses. Have about 20 lined up at line.

Om this note, can a senior member give pointers to raunchiest gogo. Would lime to show pingpong show for once without getting robbed (bucket list).

TIA.[/QUOTE]Last time I was in Suzie Wong's on soi Cowboy (New Years Eve), they had a ping pong show as one of the regular rotating acts. You don't have to worry about any of the scam games there. They had a pretty tired gogo girl there firing off ping pong balls at group of horrified backpackers. You can grab a paddle and play also!

[QUOTE=Franga;2301048]Hi Paolo, many thanks for your very interesting report. Yes, the burning when peeeing one of the worst things I have ever encountered. I too am fearful. It just makes me realise that I won't be letting any chicks in future suck on my dick. It's just not worth the possible adverse consequences.

I do observe the chick who I thought I caught it off eating a lot prior to servicing me. She doesn't seem to go and clean her teeth prior to seeing me, so I have often wondered what sort of bacterias associated with the food are in her mouth. She does use listerine, but the doctor told me that is not 100% effective.

I am amazed that you recovered without any medications. Maybe it was a non STI?

Yes, good advice on the drinking lots of water. That is one thing that my doctor recommended, so as to help flush out the bacteria in the urethra through more frequent peeeing.

That is a very pertinent observation about the girl licking the inside of your urethra. I will remember that one. Thanks for your input.[/QUOTE]STDs are a part of the hobby. Your going to get them. When the boys would go on trips to other SE Asian destinations back in the day, we'd always be stocked with antibiotics. Your going to get the drips, the burns, the blisters, and probably warts at some point if you screw enough gals. Again, it's part of the hobby. The problem is now there are many multi-drug resistant strains of gon and mycoplasma infections out there. I've known a couple of dudes who have recently had a very hard time getting rid of infections. That being said, I'm not going to stop getting BBBJs. I do cover for FS though.

[QUOTE=Zeus9;2301401]Last time I was in Suzie Wong's on soi Cowboy (New Years Eve), they had a ping pong show as one of the regular rotating acts. You don't have to worry about any of the scam games there. They had a pretty tired gogo girl there firing off ping pong balls at group of horrified backpackers. You can grab a paddle and play also![/QUOTE]Thanks for pointers. It is just a novelty experience. And I understand that most nubile, 18 years old wouldn't be doing it. It would most probably be some one with a million km on odo.

Most TF girls who are agreeing to meet are refusing BBBJ. They are OK CBJ. Is that the norm on TF? Should one even ask it before meeting them?

[QUOTE=WrongGuy;2301175]I am off to Thailand, Cambodia and Malaysia for a few weeks.

I have been to BKK a times but just very short transit stays and a few business engagements.

This time I will have 2-3 weeks. Focus would be on freelancers, with occasional gogo pickup.

I have been a member of thaifriendly for almost 3 years but just added paid membership to my account.

Just found that almost 30-40% girls there are free lancers (who admit it upfront).

Price ranges from 1300 (32 years old hot MILF in Pattaya) to 6000 (19 years old fresh school graduate in cheerleader uniform) for ST..[/QUOTE]

Hey fellow mongers,

Those of you using ThaiFriendly, what is your experience with girls whose profile says shit like they are looking for serious relationship only etc. Do they mean it or is it just a pose so they wouldn't look cheap but in fact are OK with one night bang?

[QUOTE=TempStories;2301587]Most TF girls who are agreeing to meet are refusing BBBJ. They are OK CBJ. Is that the norm on TF? Should one even ask it before meeting them?[/QUOTE]Going to meet first one tomorrow. Will report after that. Have met 3 types so far.

1. Just talked like a normal girl and agree to meet for coffee / meal / drinks / party etc.

2. Free lancers who will meet you and leave it up to you to pay them what you want to.

3. Free lancers very open about services and prices.

I think you can openly discuss your options with first group 2 and 3. Group 1 would be sort of a holiday GF and like a regular date. You get what you can and be happy about it. At least I would be.

[QUOTE=Kantero;2301628]Hey fellow mongers,

Those of you using ThaiFriendly, what is your experience with girls whose profile says shit like they are looking for serious relationship only etc. Do they mean it or is it just a pose so they wouldn't look cheap but in fact are OK with one night bang?[/QUOTE]Waste of time. Move on. Especially the profiles with a wall of text.

[QUOTE=Kantero;2301628]Hey fellow mongers,

Those of you using ThaiFriendly, what is your experience with girls whose profile says shit like they are looking for serious relationship only etc. Do they mean it or is it just a pose so they wouldn't look cheap but in fact are OK with one night bang?[/QUOTE]They don't mean it, 555! I have never met a girl from TF and not had sex with her at some point. I'd say that 9 out of 10 times it's the first time we meet will have sex that day. Just be nice and not to pushy with suggesting anything sexual. Meet up for some dinner or a coffee and you will be fucking them soon enough. Most of those girls seem to move on pretty quickly if you don't start trying to turn them into your girlfriend quick enough. They'll just move onto the next guy willing to overcommit to them quickly. And I thank all of those gentleman for doing me that favor.

I just had another girl contact me with no profile pic. I usually wouldn't bother to answer, but I was killing some time. Turns out that she pretty quickly told me that she was loooking for a "friend with benefits". We moved over to line and exchanged photos. She was average and a little chubby, but why not. She said that she had a boyfriend back in the US, but she was lonely and needed someone to lay her some pipe discreetly. Hence the profile with no pic and fake info. That night I picked her up and took her to the curtain motel to give her what she wanted. She wants to see me on the regular just for sex. So that just goes to show that saving face is everything in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Kantero;2301628]Hey fellow mongers,

Those of you using ThaiFriendly, what is your experience with girls whose profile says shit like they are looking for serious relationship only etc. Do they mean it or is it just a pose so they wouldn't look cheap but in fact are OK with one night bang?[/QUOTE]I can only tell you what I've observed plus what one buddy has observed. In my experience, wanting a "serious relationship only" means she wants a long term serious relation and she's willing to fuck your brains out on night one to get it. By the way, serious relationship in Thailand means the man pays a whole lot of the woman's expenses.

My first ThaiFriendly date told me many times that there would be no sex and I had to get a separate hotel room for her and her girlfriend. But, 10 minutes after we said goodnight she was at my door wearing a teddy bear nighty and we were fucking a short time later.

In the last 3 years my buddy has actually turned 3 different ThaiFriendly women into his fiance without paying for sex, and the last fiance is now his wife. The most expensive pussy is the free pussy. They are not all prostitutes.

[QUOTE=Kantero;2301628]Hey fellow mongers,

Those of you using ThaiFriendly, what is your experience with girls whose profile says shit like they are looking for serious relationship only etc. Do they mean it or is it just a pose so they wouldn't look cheap but in fact are OK with one night bang?[/QUOTE]Some of them actually mean it. But basically what they mean, is they won't do one night stand for few thousand bahts, they want someone to pay their expenses for a long time and then she will let him full her. Just ask what they like, and 90% of time time you will get, "sleeping and shopping" LOL.

Hi Guys,

I am travelling for a couple of days next week and would appreciate some specific tips or locations where I can find some CIS chics.

Rates are not much of an issue if they are worth it.

Any tips would be highly recommended.

Also, is an Airbnb Safe for such activities in Bangkok?

I did Read the forum a lot but it is still a little confusing so find specific information.

Cheers and thanks in advance.

PM is active in case some good soul wants to give some private tips.

[QUOTE=QutabMinar;2301962]Hi Guys,

I am travelling for a couple of days next week and would appreciate some specific tips or locations where I can find some CIS chics.

Rates are not much of an issue if they are worth it.

Any tips would be highly recommended.

Also, is an Airbnb Safe for such activities in Bangkok?

I did Read the forum a lot but it is still a little confusing so find specific information.

Cheers and thanks in advance.

PM is active in case some good soul wants to give some private tips.[/QUOTE]It isn't confusing if you truly have read the forum. I personally have been providing information.

But here, Ill help ya out: Mixx after Midnight Thursday to Saturday, 5,000 to 10,000 B Ukrainians, Uzbek, Azerbaijanis.

[QUOTE=TempStories;2301587]Most TF girls who are agreeing to meet are refusing BBBJ. They are OK CBJ. Is that the norm on TF? Should one even ask it before meeting them?[/QUOTE]From my recent experiences, I've never had that issue. Actually, all my TF hookups did BBBJ without question, and I hadn't even discussed it with them prior. However, it's probably best to discuss your requirements first and ask her how much, then haggle with pricing if necessary or sugar coat your offer with "treat me good, and I'll tip you well" type of line, and actually tip her after.

[QUOTE=Kantero;2301628]Hey fellow mongers,

Those of you using ThaiFriendly, what is your experience with girls whose profile says shit like they are looking for serious relationship only etc. Do they mean it or is it just a pose so they wouldn't look cheap but in fact are OK with one night bang?[/QUOTE]I have hooked up with a couple of these types, but it's an effort. My personal view is, if you've got the time and patience you can reap the rewards (And I'm talking about the real lookers) especially if you live in Thailand or plan to visit in a few weeks or months time. It gives you enough time to make her feel comfortable with you, get to know you etc. If you're already on holiday in Thailand with limited time, then I agree with IMembr:

[QUOTE=IMembr;2301848]Waste of time. Move on. Especially the profiles with a wall of text.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TempStories;2301587]Most TF girls who are agreeing to meet are refusing BBBJ. They are OK CBJ. Is that the norm on TF? Should one even ask it before meeting them?[/QUOTE]I don't know in BKK but in Pattaya all my girls fom TF always provide BBBJ, not need to ask. If they don't want to do it usually they will tell you straight in the chat that they want use condom for everythings, so you can say bye to them and move next.

[QUOTE=QutabMinar;2301962]Hi Guys,

Also, is an Airbnb Safe for such activities in Bangkok?

[/QUOTE]I loved using airbnb on my trip. I booked 2 different apartments in 2 different areas on Sukhumvit road and spent nearly a week in each place. Both apartment blocks were fairly new and extremely well secured, guards, boom gates, security cards, coded locks etc. It was awesome, and a definite home away from home feel. There's plenty of positives, but the negative is that you have to clean shit up yourself. Other than that, nobody questions any of your mongering activities. You can have a proper orgy with 5 chicks, and nobody would say or give a shit. Many of the girls were very impressed at the apartments and locations, I suppose they assumed I owned it hehe.

Just note that airbnb is illegal in Thailand (The apartment owner requires a hotel business license. But nobody actually checks tbh). If you are ever questioned, just maintain that you're staying at a friends place, never mention airbnb, and all will be fine.

[QUOTE=Siamsin;2302060]Just note that airbnb is illegal in Thailand (The apartment owner requires a hotel business license. But nobody actually checks tbh). If you are ever questioned, just maintain that you're staying at a friends place, never mention airbnb, and all will be fine.[/QUOTE]Until Immigration runs a check. Nope, not for me. But then again, I am here 6-7 months at a time.

[QUOTE=Siamsin;2302060]I loved using airbnb on my trip. I booked 2 different apartments in 2 different areas on Sukhumvit road and spent nearly a week in each place. Both apartment blocks were fairly new and extremely well secured, guards, boom gates, security cards, coded locks etc. It was awesome, and a definite home away from home feel. There's plenty of positives, but the negative is that you have to clean shit up yourself. Other than that, nobody questions any of your mongering activities. You can have a proper orgy with 5 chicks, and nobody would say or give a shit. Many of the girls were very impressed at the apartments and locations, I suppose they assumed I owned it hehe.

Just note that airbnb is illegal in Thailand (The apartment owner requires a hotel business license. But nobody actually checks tbh). If you are ever questioned, just maintain that you're staying at a friends place, never mention airbnb, and all will be fine.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I'm using airbnb since 2016, every time an apartment for a week. On Friday I will check inn at one of them again. Till now always a good experience and as Siamsin saying. Nobody really cares.

BTW. Siamsin I've been reading your reports. All of them very nice. I hope I will have something to report here and share with you the coming days. During my stay in BKK. Any pointers how to reach your friend Anna of your reports. ?? Thanks for all the other tips ans sources to contact some nice woman.

[QUOTE=Siamsin;2302060]I loved using airbnb on my trip. I booked 2 different apartments in 2 different areas on Sukhumvit road and spent nearly a week in each place. Both apartment blocks were fairly new and extremely well secured, guards, boom gates, security cards, coded locks etc. It was awesome, and a definite home away from home feel. There's plenty of positives, but the negative is that you have to clean shit up yourself. Other than that, nobody questions any of your mongering activities. You can have a proper orgy with 5 chicks, and nobody would say or give a shit. Many of the girls were very impressed at the apartments and locations, I suppose they assumed I owned it hehe.

Just note that airbnb is illegal in Thailand (The apartment owner requires a hotel business license. But nobody actually checks tbh). If you are ever questioned, just maintain that you're staying at a friends place, never mention airbnb, and all will be fine.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I have been using airbnb since 2016. Two time before both for a week. I will check inn an apartment through airbnb tomorrow again. As Siamin is saying. Nobody really cares.

BTW. Siamin, I have been reading you reports. They are great thanks for the tips and links to search for some contact with nice Thai woman. Any pointers how to contact your friend Anna?

Hope I will be able to share my experiences of my visit the coming days in BKK soon.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2302212]Until Immigration runs a check. Nope, not for me. But then again, I am here 6-7 months at a time.[/QUOTE]You're correct, any foreigner should try to be very honest and complying to all their laws these times. It looks like their immigration politics are really going downhill very fast and they take advantage of any mistakes to throw a rock at foreigners.

Given how the previous 3 hours had gone, Kumbu was feeling particularly pugilistic tonight. Recall that in [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=2299121#post2299121]my last post (found here),[/url] I told you about how I had repeated with Naan of Thermae. The first time with her was great, but the second time, she revealed herself as less than the divine goddess that I had made of her in my own mind. But so off-putting was the experience that while I was actually fucking her, I began to lose interest, and I lost my erection. I mean, horny as hell, I am actually mid-coitus, and little Kumbu says "aah, fuck it", rolls over and takes a nap. [/quote]I was aghast, as was Naan, but such is life. But the thing that really hurt me, to be honest, was that my last night in Bangkok was ending in a whimper like this. No, I needed vindication from this missed opportunity. I needed to find success tonight, or else I would regret it all the way back home.

So after Naan beat it, I stayed in my room for a while just trying to physically and mentally recover from that experience. And when I was ready, I was fuckin' ready. I was itching for some perversion, and I wanted none of the niceties that I typically seek out. Debauchery was on the menu, and Kumbu wanted himself a healthy serving.

It was almost midnight now, on my last evening in Bangkok. My flight departed at 7 am, so I had until around 4 am. Here's the plan, Kumbu: hit NEP, see what you can find. If you get lucky, you will find a jewel. You will bring her back to your room and do lots of dirty and deranged things with her lady parts, and rid yourself of this sense of missed opportunity. Once cleansed, you can then reassess where you are. One possibility is to scamper off to Mixx for one last dip in the ocean, time permitting. If not, then off to the airport it will be. Goddam, even at midnight, in Bangkok it's like it is midday, at least with respect to finding women to fuck.

[B]Two Pistols a-gunning[/B]

So I hit NEP. I walked through the halls of the hallowed institution a little with a fire in my eyes. I walked around, energy in the pit of my stomach, a buzz in my balls, strutting like a peacock, poking my head in here and there, and trying to get a sense of what's where. I did not keep track of which places I looked into, I just went in, eye-balled the talent (or lack thereof), and made mental notes of whether I should return or not. All I can say is that the vast majority of the bars I walked into were not worth a moment of my time, and many of them are to be avoided for a singular, wretched reason. And that reason is dick. As in LB dick.

Anyway, I found my way into Billboard, ready to conquer the world. I had the memory of Phammy high in my mind. She's the one I had gone with a few nights earlier: she is a student, and so only comes to Billboard on Fri, Sat and Sun. I therefore knew I would not see her tonight, and that was kind of a relief. I always hate the awkwardness of having to see someone you went with earlier, and having to avoid going with her again. I know it should not bother me, since all I have to do is be a man and make my preferences known, but it's a social awkwardness that I would sooner just avoid.

I walked in and it was busy, but not as busy the last time I had gone. The previous time was around 9 pm on a weekend, and now it was around midnight on a Tuesday. I was escorted to the bath area, which was a little disappointing. I was interested in the carousel, but why not try the bath?

I was seated bath-side, facing away from the carousel. I asked to move, and I was moved to the side of the bath, so I could see the carousel and be next to the sudsy ladies in the bath. Some of the girls were eye candy. One in particular had a super figure. She was so well proportioned, with a delicate face, and no obvious evidence of child birth or child rearing. But she seemed utterly uninterested in anyone, not even the other girls, and that was a bad sign.

One of the girls was eyeing me, but she was not my cup of tea. So I tried my best to suppress the instinct to smile when our eyes met, and I am happy to say I managed to do so. So after a few failed attempts by her to make contact, she turned her attention elsewhere. That was a mini-success for me, to be honest.

As I was busy trying to fight off the long distance courtship from the bath lady, a soft butt check pressed up against my left hand. I looked over and a girl was bending over trying to fiddle with something on her leg stocking. And as she bent over, her butt was rubbing against my hand, which was rested on my left knee. I turned my hand slightly so her butt cheek would run against my palm instead of the back of the hand, and after just a few seconds of having that silky loveliness in my hands, the jig was up and she squealed at embarrassment at how she had been taken advantage of. "I doth protest! You sir, are a scoundrel!" She mock slapped me, and pointed at me like I was the rascal of the century, and of course I grinned quite proudly.

So she took this as an opportunity and moved in closer. She was a touchy kind. She came right up against me, rubbed herself all over me. She took my hands and put one on her ass and the other inside her bikini top on her breast. She encouraged rubbing, which I gladly conceded to. This went on for about 10 minutes. At that point, she told me it was her turn to go into the bath tub, so she walked off, and my eyes were glued to her backside as she walked.

Her ass was shapely, round, though not perfect. I was not as sharp or delineated as one might hope for. But it was still a very good quality ass. Her legs were slender, but somehow thick. I mean, they were shapely, but perhaps not as curvaceous as I like. But again, in absolute terms, her legs were very pretty. I guess after 8 days of gazing at the finest female lines on the planet, I was getting very spoiled.

As she danced in the bathtub I saw her moves, which were good. I noticed her waist was very slender, which was good, and her hips were medium in width. Her face was actually very different. She had a sharp nose, and eyes that were very exotic. She did not have the typical Isaan girl look, though the chances were well above chance that she was indeed from Isaan. I was enjoying what I was seeing, and the whole time we were playing googly eyes.

When she returned, she immediately took my hand and stuck it roughly into her bikini bottom. I felt a well trimmed Bush, and I enjoyed running my fingers through the hair. But she took my hand and dug it deeper. I ended up feeling her lips and her clit, rubbing them for a good long time. This girl was a keeper, obviously.

A few minutes later, almost as if it had been practiced (wait. . . You don't think. . . ? the waitress asked if I wanted to buy a LD. Of course I did, and the courtship moved into phase 2. Her name is Naat, same as a girl I went with a few days earlier, good god, how am I to keep track of this all? 21 years old, no babies, from Isaan, been at Billboard for 4 months, likes farang, not Japanese, because farang can enjoy. Or so she says.

Across the way were a couple of other dudes who had hooked up with their own respective girls. One was a white guy in his mid-50's with a small spinner, and the other was a brownish guy in his mid-40's. They were groping their respective girls quite shamelessly, and at some point, they both agreed to bar fine their girls. So the girls tittered off to get themselves ready, and that cued me to get a move on.

So we closed the deal: 700 BF, 3000ST, and off she went, following the other two girls. I waited, looked around, sipped my drink, and occasionally looked at the naked female figures on display. Eventually the white dude's girl returned and off they went for some fornication. And a few minutes later, the brown dude's girl arrives, and off they go for the same. So I assume my girl will be out any minute. But it was a full 10 minutes before she emerged, and I wondered what the delay had been about. But no worries, I grabbed her hand, and off we went.

She was wearing a one-piece top and short outfit (what are those things called? I forget). It was black and white stripped, and the bottom part hugged her bottom very well. It accentuated her ass extremely well, and it got my motor running. Not that I needed any assistance I was fucking locked and loaded. The walk back to the hotel was fine. We held hands, which always feels like a fucking victory parade to me. It's like telling the world that you caught this whopper and you're taking it back for a right shag. I had a dumb grin on my face, and when I looked over at her, she had something like a content smile on her face. She was looking down, quite demur, the whole way back, not in any way revealing what was about to happen to me.

We got back to the hotel, and as we entered the lobby I noticed that her hands were a little clammy. We did the ID card at the front desk, and as we did that, I noticed that she was speaking very quickly. I mean, it was rat-a-tat-a-tat-a-tat fast, almost like the disclaimer at the end of a pharmaceutical radio commercial. I did not notice that earlier at Billboards, but thought nothing of it. Into the elevator we went, and this is where the story takes a turn away from the mundane.

[B]Pantera Peligrosa[/B]

In the elevator, I looked at her, and noticed that she seemed very jumpy. Her head was flitting this way and that; she was looking up at the numbers on the elevator panel, then down at her feet, then across the other side of the elevator, all in very rapid fashion. Something was up; she seemed nervous. I chalked it up to being in the opening stanza of a P4 P concerto with an unfamiliar foreign male. I can imagine how nerve wracking it must be. After all, there is a serious chance of physical violence in these kinds of encounters, so I figured she was nervous.

I then looked at her face, and a shudder went through my body. Her eyes were. . . Fucking. . . What the fuck were they?! I rubbed my eyes quickly and then leaned in to take another look. What I saw was downright M. Night Shyamalanesque. Her pupils looked dilated to the point of absurdity. In fact, her pupils were so large, they completely obscured her irises. Imagine looking at eyes with large, black, soulless circles in the middle. Moreover, the iris / pupils were not quite circular. They had a slight elliptical quality, long-side vertical, much like a cat. It was so off-putting I could not look any more: it was making me sick to the stomach! So I looked away, unable to hide the wild state of my mind.

I suddenly felt vertigo. I mean, it was like I was in an episode of the X-files, and it was making me physically sick!

This was not natural. I felt a sense of dread suddenly fill me. What the fuck have I gotten myself into here? There is something very wrong with this girl, and I don't know what exactly. I [B]think[/B] this girl was high. I mean, I think she was fuckin' lit to the eyeballs. My mind raced back to when I was in the bar with her. I know her eyes were [B]definitely not[/B] like this when we were courting in Billboard: I looked her straight in the eyes several times, and there was nothing funky about her eyes then. Nor was she this jittery. And then I remembered waiting for her at Billboard, after BFing her, and wondering why it took her so long to get back. Remember? Those other two girls who had been BFed at about the same time came back a full 10 minutes earlier. My girl must have been lighting up her meth pipe and blasting half her gray matter out the back of her head. Goddam, and this is my last night too. . . Kumbu, what is the matter with you today?!

I looked back at her, hoping that it had all been an apparition or a glitch in my visual system, but alas no, everything was confirmed. But then I looked at her again, and this time I noticed the expression on her face. She was looking right at me (I think. . . It's hard to tell with those monster cat eyes), and there was a naughty little smirk on her face. She had detected my mother-of-god freak out, and she seemed to be enjoying it somewhat.

I puzzled over this a moment. What exactly was going on here? Why was she smiling? Why was my discomfort a pleasure to her? And how does a girl this high even notice such things? Especially through those mega-pupils of hers?

And then I realized that things were not as Freddy Krueger as I had feared. I don't know what it was about her smirk, but it really soothed my nerves. What it said to me was "the joke has worked", and somehow that made me feel better. Like some level of predictability (but not yet normalcy) had returned to the situation.

She says to me, "You like?" And I cocked my head a little. And she points to her eyes. And I thought for a little longer than I needed to, and finally, FINALLY, put it together. Her eyes were this unnatural shape not because she was high, but because she had put on contacts during that extra 10 minute break back in Billboard. It was a rouse to fuck with me, and fuck with me it had. I soon realized that she was indeed high, but the eyes had nothing to do with that. I know there is no god, but Fuck you God, for your Beelzebub sense of humor.

She smiled, and then her head flitted to the left and she pointed at the lights in the elevator and said "Nii! She then looked at the elevator floor indicator and pointed and said "Nii!" She then looked at me and said my name really loud and crazy. She then looked down at her feet and started singing under her breath.

Fuck. Me. This girl was as high as a kite, and I had no idea what was going to happen. High as a kite, or off her meds, I did not know which one. And both seemed quite frightening to me.

We get into the hotel room and she runs in like a girl running into a meadow of flowers: she had her hands up in the air, she pranced along on her tip-toes, and she danced in circles all the way in, humming gently. I stood and watched in numbed bewilderment from the minibar, where I had paused, thinking "Dear god, I might need a drink. " She dumped her bag on the couch, and danced around the room a little and ended up next to me nuzzling her mouth into my neck, like a little ground animal burrowing into a mound of earth. Not normal behavior, folks, not normal.

She said my name, then said it again and nuzzled her mouth back into my neck, quite hard it must be said. Then she turned and sang my name all the way back to the couch. It's very weird for a Thai WG to be saying my name this often. It was almost as if she kept forgetting my name and then spontaneously remembering it. If I had some Ritalin I would have slipped it into the drink she was about to have. She plonked down on the couch and said "You have dink for me?" I opened the minibar and within seconds she was next to me rummaging through the offerings. She picked the grey Baccardi wine cooler, then switched to the orange Baccardi, then said she wanted the grey one, and then paused, thinking, and then settled on the orange one. I popped it open for her and she sat back down on the couch sipping her alcoholic beverage.

In my experience, when girls pop open the Baccardi, they are looking for some fun. It's a little bit of an anti-inhibitor, which works wonders on what finds its way onto the menu later in the night. So I was pleased to offer her this, though I was concerned about mixing alcohol with whatever variety of ding-dong that was jiggling around in her head.

I sat next to her and we went through pictures on her phone. She showed me herself in real life, and what she looked like when in school, and what her pets look like. I felt this was a carefully curated set of pictures that were probably in a special folder in her phone gallery. Nothing untoward, nothing too racy, and nothing too revealing, e. G. , boyfriend, parents, children, etc. But still, it's nice seeing these pictures.

We do this for 5-6 minutes, and then she suddenly stops, takes a deep breath, and then looks at me, looks at the half-drunk Baccardi, looks at me, looks at the Baccardi, me, Baccardi, me, Baccardi, me, Baccardi, me, Baccardi, me, Baccardi, me, Baccardi, me, Baccardi, me, Baccardi, me, Baccardi, me, Baccardi, me, Baccardi. . . And then she snaps her head back and chugs the Baccardi down.

Gone. I expected her to let out a big sailor-belch at the end, but no. Her face looks a tad puzzled for a moment as she stares out to space, and then she looks at me and smiles.

Freeky, I know. Let me stress, though, that I had no evidence that she was intoxicated or impaired in any way. This may just be how this crazy lady is. She was not staggering, or slurring her words, or anything like that. Moreover, she proceeded through the expected acts of an NEP worker expeditiously and expertly, suggesting some level of cognitive coherence. If she was totally shit-faced, none of this would have happened. So whatever it was, it was not being drunk or impaired in the regular sense.

She hops up, grabs my hand and off we waltz to the shower. She disrobes and hangs her clothes and hops into the shower, and I soon follow. She rubs me good and proper, and I rub her buttocks very, very well. Lather, wash, lather, wash, lather wash. Yummy.

She pushes me aside and points to the corner of the walk-in shower, indicating that I should stand there and watch. She then cleans out her pussy and as she does so, she looks at me and says "See? I clean good for you. " Ah, hah, heh, eyyyy, yah. And then she turns around, bends over slightly, revealing her butt crack, and soaps up really well. As she does this, my eyes are glued to her crack, watching with great love and admiration as soapy lather oozes out of her butt crack. And then I notice that her head is cocked slightly, and over her shoulder I see that her right eye is fixated on me, kind of like a rooster eyes you as it turns its head, and her expression said, "See? I clean good for you. ".

We wash off, quickly dry off and high tail it back to the bed. She makes a great show of tossing the towel aside, and as she does so, she looks at the light in the corner of the room, points at it, and says in a high pitched voice, "Nii!

WTF, girl, WTF?!

[B]Sphinctal Stimulation[/B]

I approach her from behind, gently place my hands on her hips and guide her down to the bed. I rub her body with my hands a few times gently, hoping to calm her nerves. She was clearly a little hyper, and somewhat frazzled, and I was afraid it might get out of hand. But she calmed down nicely. She sensed the maestro was about to start the show, so she lay back and let me do my thing. I kissed her from head to toe, enjoying her skin, and pressing her flesh in all the right places. Her flesh was surprisingly firm, yet the skin was gossamer thin, which made for a totally delightful combination.

I worked my way down her front, skirting the pubic region. I did the front of her legs, then flipped her over and worked my way slowly, ever so slowly, lovingly, painfully, up her legs. I lingered far, far longer than I needed to on her calves, knowing this would be the last pair of Thai legs I gorge on for a good long time, and gorge on them I did. I slathered them with spittle and finger prints in a way that embarrassed even your hero Kumbu. But it had to be done, gents.

I then found myself engorged in butt cheeks. They were largish, not particularly fatty or anything, and fairly well toned. Her skin was pert and clear (none of those leathery patches where the seat of the butt meets the chair). As I kissed her butt cheeks, she slowly maneuvered, gently turned around and presented her little pussy to me. It was small, well trimmed, and pert. She had a largish clit, small lips, and an almost impossible to find vagina. I was not sure how this was going to work, but it would be fun finding out.

I worked my magic for a good 10 minutes before she started to react, and her reactions were these small high pitched squeals. She had not orgasmed yet, but she was getting there. My tongue and lips were getting tired (DATY every night for 8 nights in a row, that's not for the weak-tongued, that's for sure), but the one thing I know about DATY is that once you get to the stage where whimpering and hair-grabbing is occurring, you do not stop. DO NOT STOP! So I persevered, and a good 5 minutes (an eternity) went by, and I was hoping for a crescendo. But all I got was more squealing and hair tugging.

But I kept at it. And a few minutes later, very unexpectedly, she began to lift her body. She lifted her body high up such that her hips were a good 12 inches off the bed. I had to get up onto my knees to get access to her pussy, so high were her hips. So I sucked and poked and whipped with my tongue in that position for another minute before she lifted her hips even further! Wow, gymnastics! So I sat up fully and looked on to her pussy, perfectly presented to me with her back arched into an impossible curve! That sight gave me new strength and I dove in with mad abandon. I inserted my tongue into her pussy right down to the root of my tongue. I tongue fucked her as deep as I could, and with my lips I stimulated her clit as best I could. Truth be told, that was an absolutely hedonistic moment for me, but her whimpers seemed to slow a little. And so I went back to the regular suck, lick and whip.

But a moment later, she reached down wither hand and pushed my head down. Her pussy was still high up in the air, maybe 18 inches off the bed, and so I could just sit there comfortably and suck away at her pussy. But she was pushing my head down. Down? Where do you want me to g Oh. Oh, down into the brown abyss. I see.

So I stooped down and came up from beneath her and slathered my tongue all over her asshole.

And this is where she let out the loudest screech of the night. It wasn't one of displeasure of disapproval. It was definitely one of "Oh yeah, right there!" And so I did it again, and she gasped for air. I took that as license, and I flipped her over, pulled her butt cheeks open and plunged right the fuck into that asshole. I circled, prodded, flitted, zig-zagged, and just sucked the most holy crap out of that asshole. Forgive the pun, because I don't think I actually ate any crap, but goddam it was crazy.

I was enjoying this so terribly much, and apparently so was she. But as this happened, she suddenly popped her head up, looked at the light next to the bed and said "Nii!" I tried not to let that faze me, but seriously, it was very worrying. Nonetheless, I had my tongue in this girls rectum, little Kumbu was the shade of an Okinawan sweet potato, and so whatever kind of crazy this girl was coming with was going to have to take a ticket because I got bidness to attend to.

But just then, she spins her head around and looks at me eating her ass out, and she shouts in an alarmed voice "Not same-same!

Huh?

She pulls away, much to my horror and dismay. But quickly I realized that good things were coming. She mounts me again, this time in the 69 position, and she sticks her butthole back into my face, and she jams little Kumbu into her mouth. She takes him all the way, wow, you go girl, I mean, you GO GIRL! So I took a moment to enjoy the sensation, and then I opened my eyes to enjoy the ultra-close-up view of her pussy and her asshole.

I took a deep breath in, savoring the mustiness of her odor. I then started to gently run my fingers over the architecture of her under-carriage. I gently rubbed her asshole (which remember, was on top, mere millimeters from my boggle-eyed face). I felt the little crinkles, the wetness of my spittle from the earlier rimjobbing. I then brought my finger lower to her taint, and I pressed that gently, which evoked a whimper from her. I played a little with her pussy lips, and tried to reach the clit, but it was too far beneath for me to reach. So I opened my tongue up like the sail of a small boat and let the wind catch it. It flapped open and with that wide, flat tongue, I began to sweep my tongue across her pussy, from bottom to top, all the way up to her asshole. She got these sweeping pussy-to-asshole swabs, and then asshole-to-pussy swabs, and I began to hear these muffled moans coming from her dick-filled mouth.

It did not last long, because about 2 minutes into this most awesome of asshole-pussy worshipping, the girl fucking orgasmed. She clenched her butt tight and proper around my face, she released little Kumbu from her mouth, her back arched tight and proper, her legs squeezed around my ears tight and proper, and she fucking orgasmed, tight and proper. She squealed long, high and loud, just like you imagine a meth-crazed anal queen would. Tight and proper.

Afterwards she pulled aside and gasped for air, releasing my face from her butt-hold. I gasped for air, trying to understand why I had taken the submariner route to orgasm, and only slowly realizing that this had been her plan all along.

We lay there a few minutes and she came over and rested her head on my chest. After a few minutes she poked my nipple playfully. I am very sensitive on the nipples, so I pulled away, and this gave her all the info she needed. She poked me again, and I pulled away. Then she pinched me on the nipples, and I pulled away even more. Then she suddenly got up and dove in with her face and put her mouth right onto my right nipple and bit me! Aaaah, fuck girl, what are you doing? I mean, it was not a hard bite, more playful than anything, but she had figured out that I was over-sensitive on my nipples and she was fucking with me. She saw the irritation on my face, and she smiled. She said my name playfully, and then went in for another bite on the left nipple! As she grabbed the nipple between her teeth, she was muffling my name through giggles and nipples! It would have been fucking hilarious if it wasn't so fucking painful! I was definitely not angry at her, since she was just showing energy and character. But the nipple biting has got to stop!

Then she quickly switched to the right nipple, and before I could punch her in the face, she switched to the left, and then the right, and then the left. . . Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!

So I finally decided to man up and I pushed her aside with a little bit of force. She got the message, though she smiled naughtily at me.

So she asks me for a condom, and I slip on Mr Trojan. She lies there in missionary position as I pump away, no particular goal in mind. Just simple fucking, nothing to see here. We fuck for a few minutes, then over onto her side for a few minutes more, and then she hops onto me for CG for a few minutes, and then reverse CG for a few minutes more. She then gets off me, stands up next to the bed and bends over on the bed, her hands propping her up, bent at the waist. She looks at me like I am dumb and motions for me to get on her, like "come on Frodo, hop on!

So Frodo jumps up, gets off the bed, and mounts her from behind. It's been a while since I fucked standing up, and it's loads of fun, obviously. As we proceeded, she gently moved forward, shimmying inch by inch, until we were both back on the bed in regular doggie position. And I don't need to tell you what happened next.

Visual brilliance. . . Hands on butt cheeks. . . Pert asshole. . . Over-stimulation. . . Aaaah. . . Heave. . . Mmmph.

I crumpled like the paper tiger that I am, clutching at her hips and around to her belly, whimpering like a baby. We paused there, both in silence, as the buzzing ebbed, and then she grabbed the base of the trojan and slipped little Kumbu out of his adopted home, once and for all.

We cleaned up independently, and when I got out of the shower, she was dressed and ready to go. I slipped 4000 baht into her purse, she did not look at it, but gave me a hug and pranced over to the door. I opened the door for her, and as she exited, she turned around. I expected her to say something warm, or to ask me to come to Billboard again, or to suggest we stay in touch by Line. But instead, she looked around for the room number. She saw it and she read it out loud in English "Three. . . Zero. . . Nine". She looked at me briefly, and I could see the numbers running through her mind. She looked at the room number again and said slowly, in English, "Three. . . Zero. . . Nine". And then she looked at me. Again, I waited for her to say something, and she opened her mouth, a small smile slipping onto the sides of her lips, and she said. . . "Ok", and she turned and dashed off to the elevator.

Only then did I figure out what was happening. She was memorizing the room number so when she returned to the front desk for her ID, they would quickly give her back her ID, call me, and she could then leave. I'm sure they could do it without the room number, but it must expedite matters. And sure enough the phone rings, and I hear "Mr Kumbu sir, your guest is leaving, is everything in order?" My first thought was "Well, her asshole is royally sucked, her pussy is fabulously fucked, and my dick is monumentally limp, so yes, things are just about in order. " But instead of saying that, I said "Yes, thank you" and hung up the phone.

[B]The Pendulum Swings[/B]

I then packed up my belongings, checked out of the hotel at the amazing hour of 4 am and took a taxi to the airport. Usually, as I depart Thailand, I feel a sense of loss, a sense of depression, a sense of longing to stay. I know life back in the States will not be anything like as exciting and fulfilling as here, but return I must. And I never know when (or indeed if) I will return to this wonderful land. But this time, for some reason, I did not feel that way. I felt quite fulfilled, and quite content. I had fucked and fucked and fucked, to the point of exhaustion. I had failed and I had succeeded; I had met several new girls, and learned quite a lot about the P4 P scene in Thailand, despite the fact that I have been coming here for decades. And that to me is the sign of a successful mongering trip. It's the sign of a successful anything, actually.

So now, my friends of the ISG, I come to the end of my mini-series of reports. After 8 very fulfilling days, the arc of my mongering has reached it's pinnacle, and it has begun to swing back in the other direction. I'll see you again where the pendulum ends.

Your pal,

Kumbu.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2302042]It isn't confusing if you truly have read the forum. I personally have been providing information.

But here, Ill help ya out: Mixx after Midnight Thursday to Saturday, 5,000 to 10,000 B Ukrainians, Uzbek, Azerbaijanis.[/QUOTE]Thanks man, I did figure out mixxx an all but was wondering if there is anything else.

Also, unfortunately I am going to be there on a Monday and Tuesday night.

Do you think there is any action happening on those days?

Appreciate your help.

Yesterday found that best exchange rates were offered in terminal 21.

For aud 20.59 at airport. Checked 5 different kiosks.

21.5 at sukhimvat road.

21.9 at terminal 21.

I would now change as I go.

Staying in Grand business inn, Soi 11.

Walking distance to everything. Clean room with firm bed. Very clean toilet / shower.

24 hours restaurant.

Paid TBH 2600 for 2 nights.

Checked twister. Very cute girl in jacuzi. Very pushy mamasan. I actually told her that I am getting bored because of her and if she isn't so puahy may be people will spend more.

Went to spanky. Good range of girls but seating so cramped that when a 150 kg dude 6 ft away from me farted, everybody almost puked. But here servers / mamasan actually worl for you. Even if you fail to get an eye contact due to cramped seating amd other factors just ask any of the servics ladies and she will make sure your eye candy lands in your lap even if she is on stage or shower. They ask barfine 1000 and girls st 3000.

I didn't think I would ever say this but I miss Monkey Paw. Similar personality to some recent in the third person contributors but more creative and imaginative and definitely less long winded.

I'm wrapping up a 3-day tour in Bangkok and wanted to share this epic adventure:

Tue at 1600 Wood bar. Lingling. Recommended by mamasan as best DT. She says she's 29, probably older. OK face but distracting mole between eyes. Slim, deflated tits, no ass but this is just a BJ, so who cares. Average to above average technique, knows how to use her long tongue, but the session was a bit rushed. 1,000 baht. 6/10.

Tue at 2000 Smooci. Angelica. 19, Filipina, 160 cm, 40 kg, good english. Perfect Asian GFE. Cute face but slightly spaced out teeth; not bad but could use braces. Amazing tiny and firm body with small tits and tight little bald pussy. Decent BBBJ, great FS, excellent GFE. She has been in Bangkok since October after splitting up with her boyfriend she was traveling with. She's on an 8 month visa, so she might not be available here for long. 2 HR /5,000 baht. 9/10.

Wed at 1500 New Bangkok Escort. Valentine. 21,146 cm, 38 kg, basic English. A tiny little sex kitten with an adorable face and soft body. Not chubby but not toned. Good sized tits, a squishy ass, and tight pussy. Nervous but playful attitude. On par with Angelica in every way, except her English wasn't great. 2 HR /5,000 baht. 9/10.

Wed at 2200 Bangkok Golden Escorts. Pim & Bell. I didn't confirm ages; website says 21 & 28 but maybe each a couple years older. Pim is gorgeous and everything I want in a girl: adorable face, amazing, natural tits, slim body, and beautiful tanned skin. She's friendly, although a bit shy and reserved, but that makes her seem innocent, which is a huge turn on. Bell has a more mature look, fair skin with bolt ONS and a pretty firm body. She's a very experienced provider and knows what guys want. Amazing 3-way experience and I could not ask for more from these two girls. Lots of different positions, but my best memories will be double BBBJ and watching Pim play with a toy, while I fucked Bell in the ass. Only downside with booking threesomes is when the girls chat with each other in Thai and I have to sit there looking clueless. 2 HR /16,000. 9/10.

Thu at 1300 Doki Doki. Kyoko. Originally booked Kiss but when I showed up the girl said she was on her period so I went with Kyoko. OK face, chubby girl but firm breasts with thick ass and legs. Bubbly personality makes up for looks and she's an amazing provider. Great B2B, BBBJ and FS, decent Thai massage. She had multiple orgasms during FS and she couldn't get enough. If she was more physically attractive she'the be 10/10 for sure. 90 min /3,500.8/10.

Thu at 1800 La Belle. Pang #D41.22,157 cm, 42 kg, 200 CC bolt ONS, OK English. With her facial features, good makeup, and tiny body type, she looks like a Thai Ariana Grande. Seriously! Tight little body with man made breasts that fit her perfectly with no scarring. Just a super cute girl and excellent provider. She did everything and took a pounding like a champ. She was so sexy, I wanted to DATY, but she declined. Other than that, no complaints and I highly recommend her. 90 min /6500.9/10.

Thu at 2200 Baccara. Tan. Didn't ask her age but probably late 20's to early 30's, 157 cm, probably under 50 kg, the size bolt ONS, decent English but for some reason kept speaking to me in Thai. She has dark skin and exotic features: wavy hair, with thick, fake eyelashes and heavy makeup made her look Indian or Persian. I didn't see her naked at the gogo, but when I was feeling her up, everything felt pretty tight and I didn't notice anything out of place. Come to find out she has a see section scar and a bit of baby damage, but nothing too horrible. Pussy wasn't as tight as I like, the sex wasn't bad, but everything was super rushed. I enjoyed squirting lotion on her tits for TF and busting all over her chest. I've never seen a girl in such a hurry to leave after a session to get back to the club. 3000 baht ST + 1240 for BF & 2 LD. 5/10.

Fri at 0500 Smooci. Lamia. 28, African from Batswana, 155 cm, probably over 50 kg, good English. Body looked better in pics, she had C tits but they were flat, a little beer belly, but a bubble butt and skinny legs. Gave a decent BBBJ, but had no passion when she got into CG. I tried a bunch of different positions but she seemed to only like reverse CG with me controlling and doggy. Very mediocre performance by her. 1 HR /5000 baht. 6/10.

Fri at 0900 Smooci. Maria. 25 (but probably a few years older), Filipina / Peruvian mix, 168 cm, maybe 55-60 kg, 36 D+ and huge ass. I booked her out of pure curiosity of her ethnic mix and body type, but this turned out to be an amazing experience. Spicy Latina mixed with the outgoing Filipina personality and a body that defies all logic. She says she's all natural and I honestly couldn't tell. I was squeezing the shit out of her ass and tits and couldn't find any signs of plastic. Amazing PSE, on par with anything you've seen in a video. Not my usual type of girl but I'll be damned if that wasn't the craziest sex I've ever had. 1 HR /8000 baht. 10/10.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2302321]"I doth protest! You sir, are a scoundrel!"[/QUOTE]Nay! Thou sir, are the finest storyteller across lands far and wide.

The person who coined the idiom "a picture is worth a thousand words" should have read these reports earlier to making such an observation. Thoroughly enjoyed reading them. Thank you.

Kumbos posts are so poetic they inspire me.

So here is my report for election night when Thermae was closed.

I saw her on the street lined up with all the other girls in front of Thermae. She was hot and skinny. I was feeling like a cheap Charlie, plus I wanted to get on the BTS before it shut down. So, I took her around the corner to a dumpster where she dropped to her knees for 1000 B. I finished in 2 minutes, she spit; I zipped up, fired up a doobie and hopped on the train.

I love Bangkok.

Hey all mongers!

Thanks a lot for your replies guys. I'm coming back with a little feedback to what you suggested.

I can confirm that "looking for a serious relationship only" is just a pose. Picked up one girl I really liked but had this nonsense in her profile. Asked for her Line and started chatting. Wanted to go slow with her, we exchanged some pics. After just a few messages she suggested we meet. And then just a few texts more, she asked if she can accompany me to my hotel after our meet-up. I was like WOW, seriously, OK, no problem. And now she keeps asking if we can do this and that and of some things she is asking to do, my eyes are just popping out. Only limit is a threesome, but still. So now, I have a week in BKK of free sex with this sex crazed nympho.

So thanks again guys and long live all the mongers!

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2301861]I can only tell you what I've observed plus what one buddy has observed. In my experience, wanting a "serious relationship only" means she wants a long term serious relation and she's willing to fuck your brains out on night one to get it. By the way, serious relationship in Thailand means the man pays a whole lot of the woman's expenses.

My first ThaiFriendly date told me many times that there would be no sex and I had to get a separate hotel room for her and her girlfriend. But, 10 minutes after we said goodnight she was at my door wearing a teddy bear nighty and we were fucking a short time later.

In the last 3 years my buddy has actually turned 3 different ThaiFriendly women into his fiance without paying for sex, and the last fiance is now his wife. The most expensive pussy is the free pussy. They are not all prostitutes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2302735] I zipped up, fired up a doobie and hopped on the train.

I love Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Not sure if you are taking the "mickey" or if this did happen, but if you did fire up a doobie in the streets of BKK you have more courage than I have. The brown bombers would just love the opportunity to bust a farang with a joint.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2302321]And sure enough the phone rings, and I hear "Mr Kumbu sir, your guest is leaving, is everything in order?" My first thought was "Well, her asshole is royally sucked, her pussy is fabulously fucked, and my dick is monumentally limp, so yes, things are just about in order. " But instead of saying that, I said "Yes, thank you" and hung up the phone. Kumbu.[/QUOTE]LOL. Well done mate, thoroughly enjoyed the reports. Thank you for sharing the stories in such a descriptive, amusing and informative manner. As weird as this might sound, I'm sure there's plenty of us that can't wait for you to get laid in the p4 p scene again, just to read your report about it. Haha.

[QUOTE=AdamBastard;2302624]I'm wrapping up a 3-day tour in Bangkok and wanted to share this epic adventure:

Tue at 1600 Wood bar. Lingling. Recommended by mamasan as best DT. She says she's 29, probably older. OK face but distracting mole between eyes. Slim, deflated tits, no ass but this is just a BJ, so who cares. Average to above average technique, knows how to use her long tongue, but the session was a bit rushed. 1,000 baht. 6/10.

Tue at 2000 Smooci. Angelica. 19, Filipina, 160 cm, 40 kg, good english. Perfect Asian GFE. Cute face but slightly spaced out teeth; not bad but could use braces. Amazing tiny and firm body with small tits and tight little bald pussy. Decent BBBJ, great FS, excellent GFE. She has been in Bangkok since October after splitting up with her boyfriend she was traveling with. She's on an 8 month visa, so she might not be available here for long. 2 HR /5,000 baht. 9/10.

Wed at 1500 New Bangkok Escort. Valentine. 21,146 cm, 38 kg, basic English. A tiny little sex kitten with an adorable face and soft body. Not chubby but not toned. Good sized tits, a squishy ass, and tight pussy. Nervous but playful attitude. On par with Angelica in every way, except her English wasn't great. 2 HR /5,000 baht. 9/10.

Wed at 2200 Bangkok Golden Escorts. Pim & Bell. I didn't confirm ages; website says 21 & 28 but maybe each a couple years older. Pim is gorgeous and everything I want in a girl: adorable face, amazing, natural tits, slim body, and beautiful tanned skin. She's friendly, although a bit shy and reserved, but that makes her seem innocent, which is a huge turn on. Bell has a more mature look, fair skin with bolt ONS and a pretty firm body. She's a very experienced provider and knows what guys want. Amazing 3-way experience and I could not ask for more from these two girls. Lots of different positions, but my best memories will be double BBBJ and watching Pim play with a toy, while I fucked Bell in the ass. Only downside with booking threesomes is when the girls chat with each other in Thai and I have to sit there looking clueless. 2 HR /16,000. 9/10.

Thu at 1300 Doki Doki. Kyoko. Originally booked Kiss but when I showed up the girl said she was on her period so I went with Kyoko. OK face, chubby girl but firm breasts with thick ass and legs. Bubbly personality makes up for looks and she's an amazing provider. Great B2B, BBBJ and FS, decent Thai massage. She had multiple orgasms during FS and she couldn't get enough. If she was more physically attractive she'the be 10/10 for sure. 90 min /3,500.8/10.

Thu at 1800 La Belle. Pang #D41.22,157 cm, 42 kg, 200 CC bolt ONS, OK English. With her facial features, good makeup, and tiny body type, she looks like a Thai Ariana Grande. Seriously! Tight little body with man made breasts that fit her perfectly with no scarring. Just a super cute girl and excellent provider. She did everything and took a pounding like a champ. She was so sexy, I wanted to DATY, but she declined. Other than that, no complaints and I highly recommend her. 90 min /6500.9/10.

Thu at 2200 Baccara. Tan. Didn't ask her age but probably late 20's to early 30's, 157 cm, probably under 50 kg, the size bolt ONS, decent English but for some reason kept speaking to me in Thai. She has dark skin and exotic features: wavy hair, with thick, fake eyelashes and heavy makeup made her look Indian or Persian. I didn't see her naked at the gogo, but when I was feeling her up, everything felt pretty tight and I didn't notice anything out of place. Come to find out she has a see section scar and a bit of baby damage, but nothing too horrible. Pussy wasn't as tight as I like, the sex wasn't bad, but everything was super rushed. I enjoyed squirting lotion on her tits for TF and busting all over her chest. I've never seen a girl in such a hurry to leave after a session to get back to the club. 3000 baht ST + 1240 for BF & 2 LD. 5/10.

Fri at 0500 Smooci. Lamia. 28, African from Batswana, 155 cm, probably over 50 kg, good English. Body looked better in pics, she had C tits but they were flat, a little beer belly, but a bubble butt and skinny legs. Gave a decent BBBJ, but had no passion when she got into CG. I tried a bunch of different positions but she seemed to only like reverse CG with me controlling and doggy. Very mediocre performance by her. 1 HR /5000 baht. 6/10.

Fri at 0900 Smooci. Maria. 25 (but probably a few years older), Filipina / Peruvian mix, 168 cm, maybe 55-60 kg, 36 D+ and huge ass. I booked her out of pure curiosity of her ethnic mix and body type, but this turned out to be an amazing experience. Spicy Latina mixed with the outgoing Filipina personality and a body that defies all logic. She says she's all natural and I honestly couldn't tell. I was squeezing the shit out of her ass and tits and couldn't find any signs of plastic. Amazing PSE, on par with anything you've seen in a video. Not my usual type of girl but I'll be damned if that wasn't the craziest sex I've ever had. 1 HR /8000 baht. 10/10.[/QUOTE]I too had the opportunity to book Angelica mid October via Smooci and was very pleased. The first time I saw her profile I decided to book her. But when I wanted to renew the experience I never saw her show up again on the website. I assumed she had left.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2302838]Not sure if you are taking the "mickey" or if this did happen, but if you did fire up a doobie in the streets of BKK you have more courage than I have. The brown bombers would just love the opportunity to bust a farang with a joint.[/QUOTE]Well sometimes desire and opportunity don't match.

Have been here two days. Had a first in call visist from a TF girl. From Phuket. 25-30 yrs old (said 24). Womanly body with be cup natural. Good service, gets going easily, BBBJ CIM OK. Has braces on and I never had this experience before. 1500 TBH for 2 hours, 2 pops. Gave a 100 in tip as just had that left in smaller denomination and she was very pleased.

Still have not found good coffee to the Australian standard though prices are almost same. 100 TBH for large flat whits with 2 shots.

First night tried an Indian restaurant and it sucked so much that I had to tell the chef and manager that it is the worst biryani I have ever had. Don't remember the name of restaurant but it is on Sukhmvit Road, staff wearing yellow shirts.

There are heaps of FL on TF asking around 2000-2500 and some are stunning.

Meeting an H&M girl today. And an cute little accountant tomorrow. 2000-2500 TBH. I request a 2 hrs session with 2 pops.

Tried this new girl. Claimed to be 4 days old, been massaging in Korea for last 2 years. Has a baby but does not show anywhere on stomach. Boobs are neither sagging not perky. B cup. I think about 25 yr old. Cannot do A+. Good thing about new girls are that they get horny very easily and bad thing is that they get tired too easily. So optimum case is to keep them horny and not let them come as long as possible. If you find multi-orgasmic young girl, you have hit a jackpot.

Anyways, too much of philosophy. Back to Nikki. She has a good built. She is not thin and not fat. I like good muscle on legs but thin waist, which makes her hips look amazing. She was not happy with long BBBJ so I had to break it into 3 different BJ sessions in 90 min. In terms of fucking, tried both doggy variations and frontal ones. She insisted on doggy and got horny whenever I was doing her in that positions. Utilized 75 of my 90 min fucking her. I was the first customer of the day and she claimed she was very tired after the session. All in all, good new girl addition in SW. Only problem was that I could not do CIM since she kept on taking the dick out every few min while sucking. Someone needs to teach her deep throat and longer sucking.

Mimi has left SW.

[QUOTE=DionCassius;2302913]I too had the opportunity to book Angelica mid October via Smooci and was very pleased. The first time I saw her profile I decided to book her. But when I wanted to renew the experience I never saw her show up again on the website. I assumed she had left.[/QUOTE]I signed up for premium and sent her a message. She replied instantly and gave me her WhatsApp to make a future booking. I think she has a lot of repeat customers so she doesn't really need to get on Smooci often.

After a hot streak of Thai Friendly from better part of last month to almost end of this month, I believe I have reached a "monger's block". Every time, I open the app, I see the nearly the same girls every time. Saying that, I always apply a age filter. The girls I see, 80% of them either.

I've already met.

Or have told me they're not freelancers.

Or don't want to meet me.

Or I don't want to meet them.

Or ask for bizarre charges.

I see 2-3 new girls in a day, worth sending message but I feel TF is slowly reaching it's saturation now.

Does anyone uses any other dating site like in Bangkok? What you think of ThaiCupid?

P.S.: Maybe it's time for me to re-visit the nana plaza.

I've plenty of experience mongering in Bangkok, but this year will be the first time I'll be there during Songkran. But I have not been able to find much discussion of this: Are the Soi Cowboy and NEP venues open on the nights during Songkran? If so, is there a major reduction in choices of girls because of their returning home for the holidays? Also, how about Tulip-- is it opened during the daytime as well as night time during Songkran? Thanks in advance for the info!

[QUOTE=BangkokBanger;2303030]I've plenty of experience mongering in Bangkok, but this year will be the first time I'll be there during Songkran. But I have not been able to find much discussion of this: Are the Soi Cowboy and NEP venues open on the nights during Songkran? If so, is there a major reduction in choices of girls because of their returning home for the holidays? Also, how about Tulip-- is it opened during the daytime as well as night time during Songkran? Thanks in advance for the info![/QUOTE]No change in action during Songkran other than you would be best to walk around Bangkok with your cell phone in a plastic cover. You will also see heaps of stupid farangs walking around the joint spraying people with water cannons without the faintest idea what Songkran is all about. Embarrassing.

Perhaps your location or age search criteria are too tight? Considering the number of freelancers, sugarbabes, mercenaries on there. But like every good thing sometimes we do as humans lose interest. Like too much chips or candy.

I'm reminded of Samuel Johnson. "Why, Sir, you find no man, at all intellectual, who is willing to leave (thaifriendly) . No, Sir, when a man is tired of (thaifriendly) he is tired of life; for there is in (thaifriendly) all that life can afford. ".

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2302972]After a hot streak of Thai Friendly from better part of last month to almost end of this month, I believe I have reached a "monger's block". Every time, I open the app, I see the nearly the same girls every time. Saying that, I always apply a age filter. The girls I see, 80% of them either.

I've already met.

Or have told me they're not freelancers.

Or don't want to meet me.

Or I don't want to meet them.

Or ask for bizarre charges.

I see 2-3 new girls in a day, worth sending message but I feel TF is slowly reaching it's saturation now.

Does anyone uses any other dating site like in Bangkok? What you think of ThaiCupid?

P.S.: Maybe it's time for me to re-visit the nana plaza.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SergioDennis;2302278]Hi,

I have been using airbnb since 2016. Two time before both for a week. I will check inn an apartment through airbnb tomorrow again. As Siamin is saying. Nobody really cares.

BTW. Siamin, I have been reading you reports. They are great thanks for the tips and links to search for some contact with nice Thai woman. Any pointers how to contact your friend Anna?

Hope I will be able to share my experiences of my visit the coming days in BKK soon.[/QUOTE]Hey bud, only saw this now so apologies for the delayed response. Lot's of guys did ask about her, and I did check with her if she'll be keen to freelance, but unfortunately she isn't.

[QUOTE=BangkokBanger;2303030]I've plenty of experience mongering in Bangkok, but this year will be the first time I'll be there during Songkran. But I have not been able to find much discussion of this: Are the Soi Cowboy and NEP venues open on the nights during Songkran? If so, is there a major reduction in choices of girls because of their returning home for the holidays? Also, how about Tulip-- is it opened during the daytime as well as night time during Songkran? Thanks in advance for the info![/QUOTE]Some girls are back home for Thai New Year, but mongering is still continuing. But be award. Sometimes other farangs / tourist like to make you really wet!

It was Billboard. Approx 20:15. Yes early and I was in the mood for a hottie.

Sat ordered a drink of light Coke for 150 THB and mamasan came and dealt with me and I bought her the standard soda. I told her the type of girl I wanted.

No tatts, no smoking.

The scenery is excellent in Billboard very impressive lineup.

She suggested number 62. A beautiful 25 yo with smooth dusky skin and beautiful Thai features. A definite 8. 5 who fitted my needs exactly. She came over and sat with me and had a brief chat. English skills good. I told her what I wanted. DATY, BJ, and to eat her ass. She said "why not".

I said good get dressed.

I thanked mamasan and we headed back to the hotel.

700 THB Barfine 3,000 THB.

Walking hand in hand back to the hotel I had a great chance to admire her body and features. Very nice indeed.

Idle chit chat revealed that she is a student studying and works Friday, Saturday and sometimes Sunday.

Once back in the room I showered first then she went in after me. This is something I don't usually do as I normally like to really inspect the goods first.

After she had finished the shower she came to the bed with robe on. I was waiting for her. She jumped on the bed and quickly took the robe off and went under the covers and switched the bed lamp off.

WTF?

I asked her "What are you doing?" She said "I shy". I responded with "I don't think so and sorry these lights stay on".

I turned her bedside lamp back on and said I wanted to see her body. I removed the covers. Wow. A thing of beauty. Her skin. The firmness of her chassis. Her bald pussy. Totally shaven, beautiful natural titties.

I had to get my tongue into that kitty fast. I spread her legs and started a sweet session of DATY. Her pussy was tight around my tongue and her clit was hardening under my tongue as I lapped that sweet silk purse. She was moaning and breathing and either came very quickly or was acting it out, however her wetness gave the indication something was going on. I got her on all fours. She was hesitant and said "Not my ass I virgin" I told her I was not going to fuck her ass with my cock just my tongue. She shied away as my tongue tried to get to that beautiful looking butt hole.

Fuck it. This was a let down.

She said "I tickwesh" I then got her on her back and went to go down again for some DATY. She was giggling and squirming around. I asked her to relax as it's OK as I just needed to get some more of her pussy as I hardened up.

She was writhing around and moaning gently. This was enough to get me ready for cover. I eased the 52.5 on. Too tight but I managed to keep hard. I asked her to wank me as I wet her pussy for preparation.

I was ready to go mish. I eased into her sweet hole. Man she was tight. She winced. I thought she was acting at first so I went in a little further. She gripped my arms and sort of yelped as I pushed further into her. My cock was only a quarter way in her beautiful pussy. She was tense as I Rocked slowly back and fourth. She was lightly moaning with eyes shut. I asked her if she was OK and she said yes. This time a little deeper I could sense her wetness. So I drove home. Deep in and out full length. Wow this was Incredible. Her body. Her face. Damn it's good to be king. She gripped the bed sheets and yelled loudly"Fuuuuck", her eyes closed and head turned to the side.

WTF?

Me:"What's the matter?" #62"It OK".

I was rattled by her reaction and sensed maybe I was too much for her so I maneuvered her onto her side and entered her from behind. Again as I got half way in her she tensed again.

I pulled out and flipped over to go for some more DATY as I was losing my erection fast. Her pussy was wet enough after another brief DATY and I was at full mast again. In I went mish, again she gripped the bedsheets, eyes closed, head turned to the side. This time I pumped and pumped deep. "Fuck, Fuck, Fuck, Ohhhh Fuck".

She was in pain. My cock instantly soft. BANG. Shot down. Gone.

I got off her.

"I solly you long" "I hurt".

I was really annoyed and she could see it.

I told her it's OK. #62"You angee Me?" I said no don't worry about.

Me:"Mai Bpen Rai" #62 "You not finnit".

She offered to jerk me off or whatever. I told her to forget it and get dressed and go back to the bar.

She did as I told her and said again she was sorry.

I gave her the 3000 and sent her on her way.

I was played Touch.

What a terrible fucking experience. I'm really disappointed. I am thinking about going back tonight to tell the mamasan of how shit it was, but really what good will it do?

[QUOTE=Stykler;2303141]No change in action during Songkran other than you would be best to walk around Bangkok with your cell phone in a plastic cover. You will also see heaps of stupid farangs walking around the joint spraying people with water cannons without the faintest idea what Songkran is all about. Embarrassing.[/QUOTE]Never been during Songkran or April as it is the hottest time of the year. After Songkran, does it quiet down with the girls going home to their families for a bit? Always been curious about the follow week after Songkran since it seems more mellow.

[QUOTE=AdamBastard;2302624]Thu at 1300 Doki Doki. Kyoko. Originally booked Kiss but when I showed up the girl said she was on her period so I went with Kyoko. [/QUOTE]Sorry ka! Have periods is the lamest of lame excuses. What are you doing here if you have your periods? What she is actually saying is "I don't want to go with you".

If you made an appointment with Kiss and she genuinely had her periods and wasn't at work having made a booking you should have been notified in advance.

If she was in the shop when you called it suggests she is getting extremely choosy in who she services.

Either way it's sadly another example that Doki Doki is slipping into a "we don't give a shit anymore " attitude.

That said Kyoto seems to have been a better choice than Kiss on her current form.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2303225]Never been during Songkran or April as it is the hottest time of the year. After Songkran, does it quiet down with the girls going home to their families for a bit? Always been curious about the follow week after Songkran since it seems more mellow.[/QUOTE]Girls going home to families is likely to happen before Songkran not after. Songkran is probably more fun in the villages. Then a question of how long till they get back. A week later mongering should nearly be back to normal most likely.

So Songkran can be a SLIGHTLY quieter time for mongering maybe, with some important girls missing.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2301861]
In the last 3 years my buddy has actually turned 3 different ThaiFriendly women into his fiance without paying for sex, and the last fiance is now his wife. The most expensive pussy is the free pussy. They are not all prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Funny use of the word "fiancé" which basically means "intending to marry". If he intended to marry all of them, seems a bit impetuous. I would suggest to take much longer before deciding to marry any Thai girl. Bad mistakes can happen.

"The most expensive pussy is the free pussy" I agree with that. Not sure if you intended it or not. Paying for a hooker can be a lot cheaper, than looking after a wife or girlfriend (plus her family) etc. Unless you managed to select a girl with money.

I will be in Bangkok for the April last week.

Planning to have some fun in some island like Koh phangan or phi phi for two days / one night. Please suggest which island is better for this?

Is it better to take girl from Bangkok to the island or is there any island that has better freelance girls?

Which island is good for this? Thanks in advance for suggestions and help.

[QUOTE=WrongGuy;2302925]Have been here two days. Had a first in call visist from a TF girl. From Phuket. 25-30 yrs old (said 24). Womanly body with be cup natural. Good service, gets going easily, BBBJ CIM OK. Has braces on and I never had this experience before. 1500 TBH for 2 hours, 2 pops. Gave a 100 in tip as just had that left in smaller denomination and she was very pleased.

Still have not found good coffee to the Australian standard though prices are almost same. 100 TBH for large flat whits with 2 shots.

First night tried an Indian restaurant and it sucked so much that I had to tell the chef and manager that it is the worst biryani I have ever had. Don't remember the name of restaurant but it is on Sukhmvit Road, staff wearing yellow shirts.

There are heaps of FL on TF asking around 2000-2500 and some are stunning.

Meeting an H&M girl today. And an cute little accountant tomorrow. 2000-2500 TBH. I request a 2 hrs session with 2 pops.[/QUOTE]The coffee here is quite good but not cheap. Avoid the chains. Try School Coffee by Chong Nonsi bts.

Anyone who eats Indian food on Sukh deserves to have a crappy meal, no offense. There are very few non hotel restaurant s I will eat in down there and none of them are Indian LOL.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2303141]No change in action during Songkran other than you would be best to walk around Bangkok with your cell phone in a plastic cover. You will also see heaps of stupid farangs walking around the joint spraying people with water cannons without the faintest idea what Songkran is all about. Embarrassing.[/QUOTE]I handle Songkhran by leaving. It's too hot anyway. See you in October.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2302972]After a hot streak of Thai Friendly from better part of last month to almost end of this month, I believe I have reached a "monger's block". Every time, I open the app, I see the nearly the same girls every time. Saying that, I always apply a age filter. The girls I see, 80% of them either.[/QUOTE]

You are absolutely right. I cancelled my membership last week. You see the same girls over and over again. I just got bored with it. The reasons etc you have are the same here. I usually go into the larger isaan towns, and have given up. Going to bars and keeping a good performer is what I will do now (like before TF).

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2303211]What a terrible fucking experience. I'm really disappointed. I am thinking about going back tonight to tell the mamasan of how shit it was, but really what good will it do?[/QUOTE]This is not unusual with Thai bars girls. I would say it is probably like this in 40% of encounters IMO. Maybe you are big? Maybe she actually is tight? I would say this is nothing to be disappointed at. You DID fuck her in different positions, right. So why complain? Thai bargirls are not porn-stars. The majority of them are conservative and would not feel comfortable if you lick their ass etc. I would rate such an experience as an average encounter. In the heat of the moment I understand your frustration, but this is unfortunately a situation that all of us will experience. Sooner or later.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2303428]but this is unfortunately a situation that all of us will experience. Sooner or later.[/QUOTE]Yes. However this will definitely not stop me. You got to take the good with the bad. Just sharing the experience so others may learn.

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2303211]It was Billboard. Approx 20:15. Yes early and I was in the mood for a hottie.

Sat ordered a drink of light Coke for 150 THB and mamasan came and dealt with me and I bought her the standard soda. I told her the type of girl I wanted.

No tatts, no smoking.

The scenery is excellent in Billboard very impressive lineup.

She suggested number 62. A beautiful 25 yo with smooth dusky skin and beautiful Thai features. A definite 8. 5 who fitted my needs exactly. She came over and sat with me and had a brief chat. English skills good. I told her what I wanted. DATY, BJ, and to eat her ass. She said "why not".[/QUOTE]Girl earned her 3000.

2. Just because a girl get wet doesn't mean she is into you. LOL.

3. I know BKK and Pattaya. Your report sounds a lot more credible than another long winded guy who seems to make up stuff and is fantasy more than reality.

4. 40% fun experiences is the normal satisfied customer rate. MeThinks.

5. Remember guys its their job to Sex wit you. Stop with they are having orgasms left and right. Freaking funny.

[QUOTE=Mostek6502;2303409]You are absolutely right. I cancelled my membership last week. You see the same girls over and over again. I just got bored with it. The reasons etc you have are the same here. I usually go into the larger isaan towns, and have given up. Going to bars and keeping a good performer is what I will do now (like before TF).[/QUOTE]Same here dude.

Bars and massage shops have much better variety.

[QUOTE=JimmyJimms;2303559]Girl earned her 3000..[/QUOTE]Earned her 3000?

You are delusional.

I wasn't asking for Rocco Stifreddi all holes barred Munich marathon.

A simple shot would have surfaced.

Trust me. I have better things to do and come on a forum and write fake reports.

I'm giving back my findings to assist others who wish to go fourth and enjoy these beautiful women as I have found Intel on here extremely valuable.

Maybe your hash me too world is a place where you should stay.

And as far as if the provider having an orgasm goes I really don't care if they do or not.

I am the one paying.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2303604]Same here dude.

Bars and massage shops have much better variety.[/QUOTE]I have been looking at 5-10% of the Thermae girls that have been there for more than 7 months, about 50% of more have been there for the past 90 days, so you visitors at least see all new girls.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2303428] The majority of them are conservative and would not feel comfortable if you lick their ass etc. [/QUOTE]Somehow gobbling some Thai working girls ass does not seem particularly appetizing, especially since I eat the same food they do and can testify as to the results, but hey, to each his own, and if your into twisting your tongue into the depths of the pudding squirter, you go right ahead and interview the girls. There are some very tall girls outside Thermae that are into ass play I hear.

Really fun time with Hana from honest agency. She has a stunning physic and its clear she enjoys what she does. The agency handles bookings really well. Hats off to the call centre.

The place is tucked away but not too hard to find. I showed up and was greeted with a nice cold beer. A nice start. We talking talked for a bit before making out. I had a quick shower and then to the bed for naughty time. She is very sensual and know her way around. She the went down on me and I did the same to give back a bit. She then started to ride me for quite a bit before I turned her on her back and orgasmed in missionary position. Very accommodating and it was a lot of I will be back for sure. Well worth the price in my opinion. The place seems to be fairly new. I hope the are around awhile. Shout out to Irene who helped with my booking. Best of luck to you guys.

Went to Bangkok Bunny on Soi 22 yesterday and Angel Massage on Soi 24/1 today. Both the girls I chose started to get ready to go to the room but I said I wanted to speak to them first. I asked each of them if they kissed and did BBBJ and each said "kiss only a little bit" (which probably means just closed lip pecks) and condom only blow job. I said "thank you, but no" and left. Glad I asked. You can't assume service levels any more.

[QUOTE=JimmyJimms;2303559]Girl earned her 3000.

2. Just because a girl get wet doesn't mean she is into you. LOL.

3. I know BKK and Pattaya. Your report sounds a lot more credible than another long winded guy who seems to make up stuff and is fantasy more than reality.

4. 40% fun experiences is the normal satisfied customer rate. MeThinks.

5. Remember guys its their job to Sex wit you. Stop with they are having orgasms left and right. Freaking funny.[/QUOTE]A 60% unsatisfactory experience rate is acceptable nowadays? Just with go-go girls, or all sex workers?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2303285]Funny use of the word "fianc" which basically means "intending to marry". If he intended to marry all of them, seems a bit impetuous. I would suggest to take much longer before deciding to marry any Thai girl. Bad mistakes can happen.

"The most expensive pussy is the free pussy" I agree with that. Not sure if you intended it or not. Paying for a hooker can be a lot cheaper, than looking after a wife or girlfriend (plus her family) etc. Unless you managed to select a girl with money.[/QUOTE]Yep, that's exactly what I meant by fiancée. Meet family for engagement parties in Issan. Promises made. Wedding schedules set (without papers in Issan followed by legal marriage in USA). Work toward fiancée visas started. Definitely impetuous, but he actually brought the last one to USA and they are now legally married, complete with wedding at his neighborhood Catholic Church.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2303738]Yep, that's exactly what I meant by fiance. Meet family for engagement parties in Issan. Promises made. Wedding schedules set (without papers in Issan followed by legal marriage in USA). Work toward fiance visas started. Definitely impetuous, but he actually brought the last one to USA and they are now legally married, complete with wedding at his neighborhood Catholic Church.[/QUOTE]There is one born every minute. What can you say!

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2303211]

What a terrible fucking experience. I'm really disappointed. I am thinking about going back tonight to tell the mamasan of how shit it was, but really what good will it do?[/QUOTE]The 'I shy', 'you big big' routine is a common con trick that girls use on newbies to try and get out of doing the work you're paying her for. The thing to do is relentlessly pound her so that she realises you're not some weak fool who can be played like that. They usually end up loving it in the end and certainly respecting you a lot more because they crave manly authority.

Wow. Down goes Joe Frazier is right before our eyes happening to Nana Plaza. The banning of Laos girls was the beginning of the current downslide. Never ever in the last 15 years have I seen it so devoid of customers. And surprise surprise the Girls are not showing up either.

Methinks it climate change. LOL. Or maybe the Girls are working building Ford cars now. No way is the avg to darn right unsightly girls going to make money working BAR.

[QUOTE=JimmyJimms;2303789]Wow. Down goes Joe Frazier is right before our eyes happening to Nana Plaza. The banning of Laos girls was the beginning of the current downslide. Never ever in the last 15 years have I seen it so devoid of customers. And surprise surprise the Girls are not showing up either.

Methinks it climate change. LOL. Or maybe the Girls are working building Ford cars now. No way is the avg to darn right unsightly girls going to make money working BAR.[/QUOTE]Well it was wall to wall Saturday night and Sunday so what days are you talking about?

[QUOTE=foolman;2303784]The 'I shy', 'you big big' routine is a common con trick that girls use on newbies to try and get out of doing the work you're paying her for. The thing to do is relentlessly pound her so that she realises you're not some weak fool who can be played like that. They usually end up loving it in the end and certainly respecting you a lot more because they crave manly authority.[/QUOTE]Or usually not.

[QUOTE==*****man;2303784]They usually end up loving it in the end and certainly respecting you a lot more because they crave manly authority.[/QUOTE]Yes. Yes you are right *man I was a weak fool. Played. Damn it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2259734]After my first seven or eight rejections in a row for what I would want from those rare cuties in Beergarden Soi 7, I just resigned myself to going in there with friends who like the place as a mongering venue and to eat the food. Still, that amounts to at least one visit there per month over the past 6 years. And while I am there I do what has been mentioned in this exchange; meet and chat with whoever has potential sitting next to me, comes over to me, draws me over to them, see what happens. And my answer to that last part is nothing much positive happens. For me, that is. Which I am fine with.

Weirdly, I have a much better rate of success for either BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP with the younger, better looking girls in Thermae than with any of the women in Beergarden Soi 7, from the rare cuties to the marginally passable ones. Hard for it not to be better and a lot better! lol. I have no idea why that is so, but there it is.[/QUOTE]Old timer here who used to love Thermae and had several regulars, all long since retired (think the early 2000 years of this century).

Its now packed with girls who go all out to look like JAV idols, and while that's great in porn, the prices and attitudes suck. Also, its not a place to linger, you buy a beer pick a floozie and depart!

I can't say the Beergarden is fantastic, but you can have a chat with friends, the food is bearable, and the bar bill is not padded and probably better value than any in Angeles City for lady drinks.

It gradually replaced Thermae for me, and I am even worried it may soon be a part of history, given the construction all around and along Sukhumvit, so I try to max my time there.

I'm VERY fussy about attitudes, and GFE, less about looks, all new pussy is an aphrodisiac, after all.

I do sometimes ask the ladies to arrange a little weed, once I have talked to them for a while, and figure them out. Most oblige, its the safest way to do this if you must, and even overpaying is better than getting turned in by some dude on the street (the girls have almost zero pull with the cops, and in any case, I've even had girls with BROTHERS in the BiB who'll smoke it up with me. For many it makes the night go better for them as well.).

So, out of curiosity, what are you asking them for? Anal? Hardcore Video / pics? Substances?

I used to get many to oblige me, before the internet really took off, but I don't really bother with all that BS now anyway. Please gentlemen, no horror story drug lectures, I am nearly 60 and have managed to be quite unscathed my entire life all over the globe, including BYO, where required, if its not your bag fine, I'm just saying its how I roll. Tho, I am avoiding the PI until that psychotic addict they have as a president is gone.

[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;2304031]

So, out of curiosity, what are you asking them for? Anal? Hardcore Video / pics? Substances?

[/QUOTE]On the rare occasions I go to Beer Garden Soi 7 these days, most of the time I am only there to eat with a friend who likes the place and I don't ask the ladies for anything. I just order some food to eat, chat with my friend and move on. If an acceptably attractive lady sidles up to me while I am sitting there and she insists I tell her what it would take to agree to a Short Time, I will tell her either boom boom no condom or a blowjob with a proper cum inside her mouth finish, either one, up to her.

Actually, I cruised through there about 3 weeks ago looking for a friend, was flagged over by a reasonably attractive lady I'd never seen around before sitting alone at one of the side tables. We chatted a few minutes and, wonder of wonders, she not only agreed to give me such a blowjob, but amazingly enough, she actually honored the agreement and GAVE me one in my room. Swear to god, that was a Beer Garden Soi 7 lady first for me in, oh maybe 26-27 different encounters with the ladies who hang out there. I only had one other Beer Garden Soi 7 lady agree to a real blowjob with a real blowjob finish in those 26-27 previous conversations. So I took her. That was about 3 years ago. But in the room, it turned out she lied about it. Pulled a cum-dodge at the crucial moment and I pretty much had to grab my own dick and jerk off a finish to stop the pain.

Only one Beer Garden Soi 7 lady ever agreed to boom boom no condom with me among that group and meant it back in the room. But she was really unattractive and I only agreed to a ST with her on the hope that doing so would break my "Beer Garden Soi 7 Curse" in that regard. LOL. It didn't.

I should add that the first Beer Garden Soi 7 lady who actually delivered a promised blowjob with a proper CIM finish for me a few weeks ago has been Lining me like crazy ever since to take her again and this time for the boom boom no condom sex she refused to provide the first time around. But I have honestly been so busy with other, younger, better looking girls I have not had the time and inspiration to take her up on it. Besides, there is a part of me that can't believe she isn't bullshitting about it and won't pull some kind of Beer Garden Soi 7 lady surprise unpleasantness before it gets done. lol.

[QUOTE=JimmyJimms;2303559]Girl earned her 3000.

4. 40% fun experiences is the normal satisfied customer rate. MeThinks..[/QUOTE]40%? No, that is unacceptable. No wonder service is poor. Punters are satisfied with crap. I'd say 90% of sessions should be great. If not, there is something drastically wrong. Gals will try to get away with as little as possible. Shams so many guys are letting them. If you are not getting what was agreed upont, call off the session and give her what you think seems fair, the boot her. If it is really bad, head back to the bar and tell the mamasan.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2304043]40%? No, that is unacceptable. No wonder service is poor. Punters are satisfied with crap. I'd say 90% of sessions should be great. If not, there is something drastically wrong. Gals will try to get away with as little as possible. Shams so many guys are letting them. If you are not getting what was agreed upont, call off the session and give her what you think seems fair, the boot her. If it is really bad, head back to the bar and tell the mamasan.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately it is true and the mamasan won't give a shit if someone complains. Gogos are on the burner business model. I live in BKK now and have been for 6 months. I just can't do gogos anymore, the service on average is just too lousy. They are so used to shitty service that they don't know any better.

Gogos are purely for time limited tourist stays, I used to fall into the category but with more time there are way better options. If you have more time, mining the massage places and dating sites are the way to go. Service is just way better and you can find some real local hotties. It is hard to get ones head around the fact that the service is twice is good for half the price.

Fuck gogos!

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2304059]Unfortunately it is true and the mamasan won't give a shit if someone complains. Gogos are on the burner business model. I live in BKK now and have been for 6 months. I just can't do gogos anymore, the service on average is just too lousy. They are so used to shitty service that they don't know any better.

Gogos are purely for time limited tourist stays, I used to fall into the category but with more time there are way better options. If you have more time, mining the massage places and dating sites are the way to go. Service is just way better and you can find some real local hotties. It is hard to get ones head around the fact that the service is twice is good for half the price.

Fuck gogos![/QUOTE]Haha. I have several times listed Bangkok go-go bars as among the best places for me to score the kind of True GFE I need (BBFS+CIP primarily, BBBJ+CIM secondarily). And with younger, better looking girls than you'll find in the MPs, Beer Bars, on the street or on the dating sites. Generally.

However, I can see why that would not be the case for other punters. Classic YMMV, I suppose.

Moreover, what I deem to be the ultimate "service" goal might be very different from yours anyway. I don't know.

In my experience, the negotiation skill/game to get what I need is to throw a sweet, genuine smile at my targeted girl on stage, see if she returns one. If she does, play with that for a while. Not like a stalker. I glance around the rest of the bar, too, but always come back to her. When she comes off the stage at the end of her set, she ought to be inspired to come right over to me and sit down. Chit chat for a bit, where you from, where you stay, you have wife, etc. Once it is clear she really wants me to barfine her, I tell her what I need (boom boom no condom). More often than most here might believe, her reply will be a smile and a nod. I'm not particularly comfortable with that reply, so I will ask more directly for a "yes or no" reply.

Sometimes she brings up "How much" before we get to the "For what" part. That's ok. I might need to go up by 500 baht or so from what most punters would say is the going rate. Barfine plus 2,000-2,500 to the girl is what I generally wind up paying. Of course, they start at 3,000. But it really isn't hard to move them off that. There will be some stubborn exceptions, to be sure. Seems to run about 50-60% success rate for me in go-go bars these days once the girl has sat down next to me.

Butterflies, Billboard, Enter, Twister BKK, Mandarin Bars are my usual go-to bars for this in Nana Plaza. Cactus Bar, Suzy Wong and Long Gun on Soi Cowboy. But I branch out and test the waters in other bars, too.

The worst places for me to get the kind of True GFE I'm talking about, as I have stated many times, are MPs (even the so-called PSE ones), Beer Garden Soi 7 and anywhere in Pattaya. Each for different reasons.

[QUOTE=JimmyJimms;2303789]Never ever in the last 15 years have I seen it so devoid of customers. And surprise surprise the Girls are not showing up either[/QUOTE]Are you talking about midweek?

From what I witnessed last weekend NEP was holding it's own, however one Mamasan I spoke with did say it was quiet, but maybe they always say that.

One girl mentioned that some of her friends had already gone home for Songkran which I thought was early.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2304043]40%? No, that is unacceptable. No wonder service is poor. Punters are satisfied with crap. I'd say 90% of sessions should be great. If not, there is something drastically wrong. Gals will try to get away with as little as possible. Shams so many guys are letting them. If you are not getting what was agreed upont, call off the session and give her what you think seems fair, the boot her. If it is really bad, head back to the bar and tell the mamasan.[/QUOTE]Complaining in LOS might leave one with Brain damage. LOL.

Snapshot of big bar in Nana. 80 staff 20 customers at 10 pm weekday.

Considering 1/2 the dancers are top AAA-Grade fuggly I don't know how they make baht.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2304069]The worst places for me to get the kind of True GFE I'm talking about, as I have stated many times, are MPs (even the so-called PSE ones), Beer Garden Soi 7 and anywhere in Pattaya. Each for different reasons.[/QUOTE]I've only spent 2 days in Pattaya and I also noticed that Pattaya didn't provide service that was up to the standards of BKK or other Thailand places. One go-go girl, one freelancer from Beach Road, one soapy girl, and a pair of Soi 6 girls together to my hotel room. All of them were more mechanical than my average BKK experience. They were also a bit less expensive.

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2303966]Yes. Yes you are right *man I was a weak fool. Played. Damn it.[/QUOTE]If you have a rather large member, I am sure that you have had complaints prior to this situation. You should have mentioned this during your negotiation with her in the bar. You discussed everything else that you required from her, you should have asked her if she could handle a large cock.

Many small Thai ladies can't and I assume that with experience you have found out that this is true.

I'm normal sized and I always carry KY lube. Many ladies do not get wet do to washing and showering prior to making love, even if you DATY for awhile before inserting into paradise. I don't think you were played. I have never had the problem you had and I've been active in Bkk for years. Could be any on a number of reasons she wanted to bail.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2304173]Could be any on a number of reasons she wanted to bail.RL.[/QUOTE]No lubricate was used and on retrospect this was my error and during negotiations I didn't mention my cock. So your comments are valid RL. I will ensure I have this covered next time.

FWIW. I returned to Billboard the next night and spoke with Mamasan who was sitting outside. She told me what had happened. I. e. The girl had you returned to the bar and told her I was "too long" "Yai" She then told me that she would check and ask a lady "Who can do" she grabbed me by the arm and led me into the door. Wow. The place was packed full of ladies all in red bikinis. Some seriously beautiful girls. I estimated the ratio of four girls to one punter. I looked around and was impressed. Quite a lineup. I told Mamasan that I would walk around the complex and take a look at the other bars and then come back if I didn't find anything I liked. She said laughing "You come back, I have best girl". I ended up going with a beauty from another bar downstairs. She took it like a champ. I will return to Billboard another time.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2304156]I've only spent 2 days in Pattaya and I also noticed that Pattaya didn't provide service that was up to the standards of BKK or other Thailand places. One go-go girl, one freelancer from Beach Road, one soapy girl, and a pair of Soi 6 girls together to my hotel room. All of them were more mechanical than my average BKK experience. They were also a bit less expensive.[/QUOTE]That is how it has been for me as well in my recent trips. And when the basic bone structure and physical appearance of the girl is ok, I see they are covered with big ugly tattoos, smoking, projecting the tough girl demeanor or staring in the distance with dead eyes. LOL. Maybe they are staring into the distance to discourage me from approaching them. No need for that, honey.

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2304206]No lubricate was used and on retrospect this was my error and during negotiations I didn't mention my cock. So your comments are valid RL. I will ensure I have this covered next time.

FWIW. I returned to Billboard the next night and spoke with Mamasan who was sitting outside. She told me what had happened. I. e. The girl had you returned to the bar and told her I was "too long" "Yai" She then told me that she would check and ask a lady "Who can do" she grabbed me by the arm and led me into the door. Wow. The place was packed full of ladies all in red bikinis. Some seriously beautiful girls. I estimated the ratio of four girls to one punter. I looked around and was impressed. Quite a lineup. I told Mamasan that I would walk around the complex and take a look at the other bars and then come back if I didn't find anything I liked. She said laughing "You come back, I have best girl". I ended up going with a beauty from another bar downstairs. She took it like a champ. I will return to Billboard another time.[/QUOTE]Which mamasan was this? I remember reading a while back that we should avoid the fat one. I've had a run in with her before where me and some friends had a drink each but yet the bill ran up to 2000 baht, I felt like she was trying to scam us but I couldn't be 100% sure so I've always avoided Billboard since then.

[QUOTE=JimmyJimms;2304121]Complaining in LOS might leave one with Brain damage. LOL.[/QUOTE]I've lived here 20 years and never had a problem when I call off a session due to poor performance. I never raise my voice, never lose my cool, simply stop and tell her it's not good for me and I don't want her to do anything she does not want to do or is uncomfortable with, but we agreed upon certain services and they are not being provided. I get dressed, give her what I feel is appropriate and leave. Always stressing I don't want her to do anything she is uncomfortable with. I've never had a problem and most FLs when I seem them later are quite friendly.

[QUOTE=BlueKangaroo;2304273]Which mamasan was this? I remember reading a while back that we should avoid the fat one. I've had a run in with her before where me and some friends had a drink each but yet the bill ran up to 2000 baht, I felt like she was trying to scam us but I couldn't be 100% sure so I've always avoided Billboard since then.[/QUOTE]Yes fat mamasan was a known cheat and sacked from bars: Crazy House and also Mercury. She ran away with my change at closing time once, hiding in the toilet perhaps. Simple, avoid her. However I would still go to Billboard no problem. Just ignore her completely and make sure my girl, if any, utilises some other mamasan. I am sure they have more than one.

[QUOTE=JimmyJimms;2303789]The banning of Laos girls was the beginning of the current downslide. [/QUOTE]Really? When do you mean? I doubt it. Not that many specifically Lao girls were working in the bars in recent times, plenty of Issan girls referred to as Lao.

When Prayut came to power they did start a new crack down on non Thai nationals, which includes Cambodia, Lao, Myanmar, girls etc. I know one Cambodian girl was still working at Crazy House despite the crackdown, because they usually got raid warnings. Not just that, but under the correct age girls was the primary focus. Recently many MPs were also raided checking for incorrect girls.

There had been previous crackdowns. Not long after Thaksin came to power, his minister for integrity or whatever started a big crack down on girls too young and "dtang dao" foreign girls. That started a huge decline in the Soapy massage industry, and some Soapies were raided and shut down, like Nataree. Chao Praya 2 was my favourite MP, but its decline was severe without all the "Thai Yai" girls from mountains of Myanmar, and the very young ones. What remains today is mostly the older uniformed Milfs, nothing like the business they did in the 1990's. In its hey day, was a really top place for me, but have not used it for close to 15 years now.

Recent crackdowns on Soapies have focussed on illegal use of artesian water. Probably very few Lao girls found at a guess. Under the right age girls, maybe.

How many real Lao girls did you know? Not we all know bars are full of mostly Issan girls, but I don't any Lao girls, I know only one Lao girl (Savanakhet girl) who was pushed out from working at Orient Massage, due to raids, but fortunately not caught. I knew two Cambodian bargirls (one caught in a raid at Suzi Wong), and Myanmar "Thai Yai" girls only many years back in MPs (Nataree had some too).

[QUOTE=BlueKangaroo;2304273]Which mamasan was this? I remember reading a while back that we should avoid the fat one. I've had a run in with her before where me and some friends had a drink each but yet the bill ran up to 2000 baht, I felt like she was trying to scam us but I couldn't be 100% sure so I've always avoided Billboard since then.[/QUOTE]Aren't they all fat?

This Mamasan has been there for 5 years so she says.

I know for a fact she has been there for at least three years.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2304327]I've lived here 20 years and never had a problem when I call off a session due to poor performance. I never raise my voice, never lose my cool, simply stop and tell her it's not good for me and I don't want her to do anything she does not want to do or is uncomfortable with, but we agreed upon certain services and they are not being provided. I get dressed, give her what I feel is appropriate and leave. Always stressing I don't want her to do anything she is uncomfortable with. I've never had a problem and most FLs when I seem them later are quite friendly.[/QUOTE]Sometimes had bargirls come to me when they should know wasn't great the first time. Perhaps some think they could do better with a second chance and some definitely were way better with a few leg openers in them (drinks). I only give them a 2nd chance if they are especially stunning normally.

I think mamasans will know who are the star girls and who a crappy quite easily. The crap girls never get any repeat customers. It is that easy. I am happy to tell mamasan that girl was no fun last time, or dick scared or whatever my assessment. That is easy. Don't go overboard with criticism though, just keep it simple. "Mai sanuk" (no fun) is a very easy assessment.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2304826] or dick scared .[/QUOTE]In 20 years in Asia, I have never once had a girl tell me my dick was too big.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2304839]In 20 years in Asia, I have never once had a girl tell me my dick was too big.[/QUOTE]I have. The most gorgeous girl I ever had in my life. Casesars in Khon Kaen. Ah memories.

Walked past Wood Bar last night, a smiling girl with glasses said "I'm hungry". Huh? "I'm hungry. I want to eat falang dick".

I thought for a minute, looked at her, her face was cute and smiling, little too fat assed and MILFy for me but what the hell, I'm going to to be gone from Thailand for a few months so might as well.

She had me off the chair. She could suck a golf ball through a garden house. She had half my lower torso down her throat. Glasses, smiling, talks like a porn star.

Well worth it. More real reports from a normal, three minute thanks I had fun see ya type of guy, without embellishment when I return in the Fall. In the meanwhile, be safe boys, I probably will have little to say till then unless its to respond to stupidity.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2304799]Yes fat mamasan was a known cheat and sacked from bars: Crazy House and also Mercury. She ran away with my change at closing time once, hiding in the toilet perhaps. Simple, avoid her. However I would still go to Billboard no problem. Just ignore her completely and make sure my girl, if any, utilises some other mamasan. I am sure they have more than one.[/QUOTE]Yea the last time I was there she pretty much sat herself down next to our table, so there was little we could do about it. We initially thought it was cool to have the mamasan at our table, like maybe she could help point out or bring the better girls over. It was only until the bill came that I had a feeling we got scammed. She actually told us to go to Crazy House, said one of the mamasans was her friend and could "get us in".

Recent crackdowns on Soapies have focussed on illegal use of artesian water. Probably very few Lao girls found at a guess. Under the right age girls, maybe.

How many real Lao girls did you know? Not we all know bars are full of mostly Issan girls, but I don't any Lao girls, I know only one Lao girl (Savanakhet girl) who was pushed out from working at Orient Massage, due to raids, but fortunately not caught. I knew two Cambodian bargirls (one caught in a raid at Suzi Wong), and Myanmar "Thai Yai" girls only many years back in MPs (Nataree had some too).

What is artesian water and how do you use it illegally?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=ToolShedd;2305027]What is artesian water and how do you use it illegally?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]When you quote you are not supposed to remove the Quote markers. Ha ha.

Artesian water is water pumped from underground. Used widely in Thailand because rainfall is not throughout the year, and people may need more than what they can catch on the roof. There is no municipal water supply to many farms in Thailand. So electric pump (given people have power for the pump) is attached to bore pipe going down deep enough till hits the water table. I guess water is gradually replaced by some natural seepage, but in heavily populated areas, the water might not be replaced completely.

Bangkok is built on low level unstable land, subject to major flooding. It was discovered that Bangkok was gradually sinking centimetre or so per year. The cause is the extraction of underground water according to the experts. So in Bangkok it is not legal to pump underground water. Yet many major soapies using large amounts of water, did not want to pay for the municipal piped water (too expensive for them or just greed). They thought they could get away with it. It had been done for so many years. Prayut and Co. decided to stop it. Geologists would know more about it. I just use it. I don't actually drink artesian water but is probably O.K.

Yet several large major Soapies were caught with the evidence of underground water usage, and closed down. The Lord! For example, also Annies, and a few others. I heard about the raid on Annies before they shut down, but authorities were probably not even looking for illegal girls. Annies was not known for extra young girls I think. ha ha.

[QUOTE=BlueKangaroo;2304952]Yea the last time I was there she pretty much sat herself down next to our table, so there was little we could do about it. We initially thought it was cool to have the mamasan at our table, like maybe she could help point out or bring the better girls over. It was only until the bill came that I had a feeling we got scammed. She actually told us to go to Crazy House, said one of the mamasans was her friend and could "get us in".[/QUOTE]In Crazy House they get every drink order signed these days by the customer, to ensure people do not claim they never ordered that many drinks. Of course, before that some staff like fat mamasan may have been cheating and some just made calculation mistakes. I have good mental arithmetic, so I can determine the bill total myself, without calculator etc. So I know if there is a mistake (rare but happens). Actually I just count the drinks in each price category and simple calculation at the end.

I don't known if mamasan tried to order drinks on your bill or one of your group agreed for her to have a drink (no way I would). Lady drinks may well be 200 Baht each. I have not been scammed at Billboard, but maybe on one or more occasions bought a girl several drinks. I once had a really great regular girl there, but she got taken away by a Farang boyfriend very quickly. The best girls don't last. My recent hot girl in Five Star has been taken out already as well. Only the mothers and long term bargirls are left. Ha ha.

Fat mamasan has sat near to me too, but I ignore her, and that includes not looking at her, or catching her eye. I am in no mood to talk to her, and its too noisy for me to talk anyway except with a girl extremely close. One can be very aloof if we choose to.

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2304809]Aren't they all fat?

This Mamasan has been there for 5 years so she says.

I know for a fact she has been there for at least three years.[/QUOTE]Big fat mamasan in Billboard that we speak of was sacked from Mercury bar maybe as much as 3 years ago. My girl there told me she was sacked! I believe it. I would have to check when my past Mercury reports were written and if she was gone before I stopped going there. She was not in Mercury more than a few months and was in Crazy House long term before that. CH girls also reported she was sacked. Consistent stories from different sources.

5 years in Billboard is complete bullshit, definitely! Crazy House did not open much more than 5 years ago (6 at the most. I guess) and I reckon she was there 2 to 3 years most likely. My long term ex CH girl is only 22 or 23 at the most now. ha ha. She was suspect early on.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2304867]I have. The most gorgeous girl I ever had in my life. Casesars in Khon Kaen. Ah memories.

Walked past Wood Bar last night, a smiling girl with glasses said "I'm hungry". Huh? "I'm hungry. I want to eat falang dick".

I thought for a minute, looked at her, her face was cute and smiling, little too fat assed and MILFy for me but what the hell, I'm going to to be gone from Thailand for a few months so might as well.

She had me off the chair. She could suck a golf ball through a garden house. She had half my lower torso down her throat. Glasses, smiling, talks like a porn star.

Well worth it. More real reports from a normal, three minute thanks I had fun see ya type of guy, without embellishment when I return in the Fall. In the meanwhile, be safe boys, I probably will have little to say till then unless its to respond to stupidity.[/QUOTE]Must have had a bloody big mouth if she can suck a golf ball through a house!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2305168]When you quote you are not supposed to remove the Quote markers. Ha ha.

Artesian water is water pumped from underground. [/QUOTE]I appreciate the information, and the feedback on the quotes. I saw what I had done, and was too tired to go back and do it again. I appreciate it, Syz.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2304867]I have. The most gorgeous girl I ever had in my life. Casesars in Khon Kaen. Ah memories.

Walked past Wood Bar last night, a smiling girl with glasses said "I'm hungry". Huh? "I'm hungry. I want to eat falang dick".

I thought for a minute, looked at her, her face was cute and smiling, little too fat assed and MILFy for me but what the hell, I'm going to to be gone from Thailand for a few months so might as well.

She had me off the chair. She could suck a golf ball through a garden house. She had half my lower torso down her throat. Glasses, smiling, talks like a porn star.

Well worth it. More real reports from a normal, three minute thanks I had fun see ya type of guy, without embellishment when I return in the Fall. In the meanwhile, be safe boys, I probably will have little to say till then unless its to respond to stupidity.[/QUOTE]Ah yes, I believe that was the lovely "Letter are". Had some double action from her and Letter X (a petite with luscious lips and coke bottle glasses) last July. I was amazed at what they were willing to do (and say) on our very first session together. Wood Bar is really not a bad place if that is the standard service. Definitely need to be getting back there soon.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2304867]
Walked past Wood Bar last night, a smiling girl with glasses said "I'm hungry". Huh? "I'm hungry. I want to eat falang dick".
[/QUOTE]Ha ha, sucked in by the girl's "bpaak waan" bullshit sweet talk. Business is very slow right now, I hear. They have to dream up ways to get the customer in.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2304839]In 20 years in Asia, I have never once had a girl tell me my dick was too big.[/QUOTE]Maybe they were telling the truth. Maybe you are average sized or below, which is actually a huge advantage. I certainly don't want to "grow my dick bigger" like in stupid bullshit advertising. So you never heard "anaconda", and that word is the same in every language that I have heard, whether English, Thai, Romanian, German, etc. Heard many times in Thailand. Maybe you did hear that, since is not the same as "too big". Meet so many "dick scared" Girls too, and that includes Farang hookers as well. Typically the dick scared girls are concentrating on Getting Korean and Japanese customers, so they are more used to smaller.

Even my long term Girlfriend told me my dick was "too big", but does mean she avoided me completely. Ha ha. However sex was not always plain sailing, and she would run out of stamina before me, after multiple orgasms. These days, its all going fine. She got used to me. She is slightly too tight for me, maybe. I manage. Start sex very gradually to allow time for pussy stretching. It is very fortunate that stretchy pussies are designed to take various sizes well.

I have to make sure that my girls really prefer Farangs in general and they don't mind slightly above average. Get some refusals though from Thai girls, especially those with bruising of uterus etc. The reality though is a girl can get damage from a shorter very hard dick that is banging against the uterus which maybe located just 4 inches in. It is really more about how a dick is used, than its length.

It is possible to meet girls that prefer big dick, so they will not be saying "too big". They seem to be in the minority in the P4 P world.

When we look back 25+ years ago, the hookers in Cowboy and Pat Pong, and Thermae had almost exclusively Farang customers or perhaps at least 80%, and they were all used dealing with larger size very regularly I think. Experienced (and less dick scared) girls in those days.

I have met girls where I told them that their pussy was too small, too tight, too difficult. Ha ha. When taking girls for threesome, or foursome, I would always do the tightest pussy first, while my dick is extra hard, and move to the easier girl (bigger pussy) last. That is just me. I am aware no pussy is tight enough for some guys and they need an asshole. It is true that their are pussies not compatible with my dick, maybe because doctor stitched them up too tight, or at other end of spectrum, the odd cavernous pussy where the dick flops around inside there (maybe the girls had a hysterectomy and things were missing, I don't know). One very beautiful Thai girl at a Soapy had lived in Switerland and had a baby with farang, spoke English and German very well, but inside pussy was very large. I could understand that she could not get a new BF despite her looks and talents. Just the fuck was not great.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2305436]Maybe they were telling the truth. Maybe you are average sized or below, which is actually a huge advantage. So you never heard "anaconda", and that word is the same in every language that I have heard, whether English, Thai, Romanian, German, etc. Heard many times in Thailand. Maybe you did hear that, since is not the same as "too big". Meet so many "dick scared" Girls too, and that includes Farang hookers as well. Typically the dick scared girls are concentrating on Getting Korean and Japanese customers, so they are more used to smaller..[/QUOTE]When guys show me a dick the size of a newborn, I'll believe the girls' complaints. LOL.

I think complaints, real or manufactured, can come from comfort levels. I once took a girl who was like fucking a table with a hole drilled in it: uncomfortably tight, dry and motionless. I later tried digital and it was one, two then more fingers and before I knew it I was wrist deep and she was bouncing off the walls. Give her a dick though and she was a statue. Well my dick anyway. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

Gentlemen,

Been mongering for awhile but believe it or not, first time to Thailand. Just wanted to give my reports from the past 4-5 days based on information I gleaned from this board's wisdom.

Day 1.

My flight landed at 2 am so by the time I got to my hotel it was nearly 3 am so I crashed. Woke up early due to jetlag and did some research, ate some food and got some general affairs in order. FWIW, I stayed on Soi 15 based on hotel elite status (that should give it away right there).

Around noon, I took the BTS from Asok to Phrom Phong. Destination: Dokidoki as I wanted to try some nuru and there was a Japanese restaurant right next door I was itching to try. Good food BTW and some cute waitresses LOL.

Stopped in, there were 3 girls available and I picked Happy. Looked just like her pictures from what mama showed me and she led me upstairs and we undressed. Natural boobs, a little bit of a pooch and baby damage but her face was so freaking cute. Experience was similar to any soapy place I've been to in Australia, HK and S Korea. The nuru was pretty fun though, she was sliding over every part of my body with every part of her body. We almost fell off the bed a couple times and we laughed and just generally had a good time. After the nuru, on went the rubber and she gave an average CBJ and then we went thru all the positions. With the nuru gel and her own juices making everything slippery, I popped in mish and she cleaned me up with a good scrub and shower. Since we had some time left, she offered a massage which was nothing to write home about.

Damage: 3000 thb.

Face: 9/10.

Body: 6/10.

Attitude: 8/10.

Performance: 7/10.

WIR?: only if I was itching for a nuru soapy; very specific.

But not a bad way to pop my BKK cherry!

Due to jet lag, I took a nap after. I had an appointment set up through email (painless and easy!) with Bangkok Golden Escorts with the one and only Bell. I'd say her pics are accurate though she's a little tanner than the pics.

She was right on time, but I overslept and was woken up by the front desk calling me to come get her. Oops. I ran down to the lobby and saw a beautiful girl sitting waiting for me. I apologized for being a few minutes late and she took it all in stride and was very easy going about it. She speaks English very well (learned from watching Sex in the City and Gossip Girl LOL) and has a chill and friendly personality. We showered, joked around and then got down to business. She's been reviewed a million times so I won't' belabor it but: BBBJ, all positions covered, anal, COB, COF, CIM she does it all. Pretty sure she's down for GFE / DFK but honestly, I give 0 fucks about that. After going thru BBBJ, CFS, anal I finished with CIM. Very nice PSE with her begging for me to plow her in the butt hard and fast.

After some resting, we kept chatting and she wanted to go for round 2 but I was still feeling groggy from the jet lag so I actually cut our time short--I had some drink coupons from my hotel so we went down and had some drinks and she was on her way after our time was up.

Damage: 6000 thb for 2 hrs. Steep but may well be worth it.

Face: 8/10.

Body: 9/10 (has some fake tits, I prefer natural but this is personal preference. I do regret not doing Russian now).

Attitude: 10/10.

Performance: 10/10.

WIR: absolutely.

I then hit up Ktown plaza for some korean food for dinner and then passed out. I had grand aspirations to try NEP, Soi cowboy or Thermae but would have to postpone those 1 day.

Day 2.

Woke up feeling significantly more refreshed; unfortunately, had to do some work for the better part of the morning and early afternoon. Ate some Thai food and wandered down to Nana to check out the area around 3 pm. Also grabbed some tadalafil on the way--so cheap in Thailand compared to America! I don't even need it, but it was so cheap I felt like I had to. Might come in handy for me 30 years down the road. Didn't really like the vibe or gestalt too much so I went home and showered. I decided to try Thermae since I was literally right next to it. I was prepared for a horde of Asian men but I was still stunned when I walked in. Bought a beer from the papasan and proceeded to do my walk around the area. Did a few laps, smiling and waving at girls that caught my eye. Eventually, I approached one small spinner in a cute dress who had smiled at me every lap I took. Said her name was Ice and she was 23. Has a day job and has only been freelancing at Thermae fairly recently. She had pretty limited English but we communicated well enough w / my terrible Thai and lots of hand signals. Agreed on the standard fare of 2500 thb and we were off.

Ice was a little shy but some of it probably had to do with being relatively new to the game and communication barrier. We showered where she soaped me up and proceeded to the bed. She was maybe 5'1-5'2" with adorable be cups. Slim hips, nice plump ass and just the cutest smile, mannerisms and big brown eyes. The kinda girl I might've actually pursued if I saw her in a different setting. CBJ, CFS in all the positions and finally popped in mish. Not sure if BBBJ was on the menu but wasn't going to press the matter with her. After the deed, she threw herself on me and collapsed and seemed to "sleep. " I let her stay there for 15 min but finally I had to kick the cutie out. Gave her the money, final hug and an adorable kob kun kaaa and she was on her way.

Damage: 2500.

Face: 10/10.

Body: 8/10 (boobs a little too small, but natural).

Attitude: 7/10 (a little shy? Mechanical? Bit of both?

Performance: 8/10--vocal, above avg CBJ and responsive.

WIR: if I see her again in Thermae, yesyesyes.

Day 3.

My 3rd day in BKK was actually omw back from a different SE Asia country; arrived at DMK in the late evening. Showered, and decided to try Soi Cowboy around 9 pm and admittedly, my least researched monger area. Got a beer at a place next to the Wild west gun place and people watched. Still lots of Asians everywhere, but seemed to be more diversity overall with Indians and white people. Funnily enough, there was an older white gentleman and a young Asian guy at a table talking to each other--I like to think the old wise experienced guy was showing the newbie the ropes of the game.

I made a few laps dodging the girls grabbing your arm and pinching your nipples. I wasn't quite sure where I wanted to go, but one of the gogo bars closer to the Western end of the street (towards Terminal 21) seemed to have the hottest girls standing outside in white bikinis. Stopped by a place where a ping pong show (was going on but I lost interest after 5 minutes. However, I was passing by Baccara and just on a random whim seeing one smokin hot girl come out, I decided to pop in there first. Got my entrance fee beer and went in and would you know it, there were even more Asians than Thermae! I fought my way around the stage where a bunch of girls w / #s were dancing (aka bobbing lazily to the music). After watching them bop around awhile, a mamasan approached me and asked who I liked. I appreciated that she had prices listed on a card explicitly so there was no room for negotiation or being ripped off. I said I'd like to see more of the talent there so I went upstairs which I think are the smoking floors. Although I hate smoke, it was less crowded and the girls were dancing topless. I bought a few more drinks for myself and watched several rotations of girls come and go and finally motioned to one spinner-type girl over. I had been talking to the girl closest to me and she was just a delightful gal with a super fun personality, amazing tits and smile and spoke very good English. But alas, I had my target.

She came over and we introduced ourselves; name was New (yes really). Or maybe Nuht. Idk. Her English was fairly limited but I figured out she was a student in school, 21 why / o studying in the media industry. She works 3 nights / wk so it may be hard to catch her there. Bought her 3 rounds of ladydrinks and 3 more rounds for me after which I asked if she'd come back for ST. After exclaiming "of course!" she went off to change and I to pay the barfine.

She said she was 155 cm so a tiny spinner with Cs. Claimed they were natural, but they were almost too perfect and felt a little firm so I had my suspicions. Regardless, very well proportioned, cute face and flirty. We showered after getting back to my room and proceeded with CBJ, CFS in all the positions. This is where I noticed a slight odor unfortunately--it wasn't too bad but it was still noticeable. Unfortunate given it was a pretty great experience overall. With her being very responsive, eager and vocal. At one point, I thought she'd have the hotel staff or neighbors knocking on our door. After I finished in mish, we cleaned up and she asked for some cab fare. This was negative mark #2. Otherwise, sweet girl but I have a feeling she knew what to do and say and how to act to maximize her gains. Can't fault her for that I suppose.

Damage: 600 bht barfine, 1 k thb drinks (me + her, my fault for drinking so much LOL), 3000 thb ST.

Total: 4600 thb.

Face: 8/10.

Body: 9/10.

Attitude: 8/10.

Performance: 7/10.

WIR: probably not, due to odor.

Overall, been a pretty fun trip so far and I still have several days throughout Thailand still left. The only negative for me has been a relative lack of BBBJ. Perhaps I drew an unlucky one at Soi Cowboy?

Cheers.

Me-thinkS DicK scared is a girls nice way of saying I don't like you.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2305436]Maybe they were telling the truth. Maybe you are average sized or below[/QUOTE]So are you saying I have a tiny dick?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2305639]So are you saying I have a tiny dick?[/QUOTE]Erect lengths average from 12 to 16 centimeters (4. 7 to 6. 3 inches).

This is from google. Not nationality based just average.

I've never had a lady complain either. But I have in many cases hit bottom and they all like that. Although studies have shown that the first 3 inches of the top of the inside of the vagina are the most sensitive and pleasing for a lady. Being long is not important to anyone but their ego.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2305660] Although studies have shown that the first 3 inches of the top of the inside of the vagina are the most sensitive and pleasing for a lady. Being long is not important to anyone but their ego[/QUOTE]So much for those racist (or more likely jealous) guys on here who always make fun of Asians with their 333 comments.

Imo a girl who doesn't find you attractive but still wants your money will find many excuses to get out of providing good service for you. If you have a big dick she just found her first excuse she will try if she doesn't like you. Could be she is stroking your ego too.

The elasticity of a vagina is not to be underestimated. I'm sure if she liked a guy with a big dick or the guy was hot the girl would find a way for your Anaconda to fit and act like she enjoys it.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2305660]Erect lengths average from 12 to 16 centimeters (4. 7 to 6. 3 inches).

...studies have shown that the first 3 inches of the top of the inside of the vagina are the most sensitive and pleasing for a lady. Being long is not important to anyone but their ego.

RL.[/QUOTE]I'll vouch for this! In my "prime" years, I probably exceeded the average size in length and girth. No so any more In fact, I've often just finger fucked a gal after I got my one shot off. Just feel around the first few inches on the top of the vagina and you will find a comparatively rough patch of tissue. This is what is often referred to as the "G Spot". In and out and around on this area is almost sure to arouse and result in a climax, unless the partner is frigid. LOL.

As to size, I had a girl friend who had been around the block a few times before I knew her. She was of the opinion that "size doesn't matter. It's what you do and how you do with what you have".

SS.

[QUOTE=Tsfh14;2305589]Gentlemen,

Been mongering for awhile but believe it or not, first time to Thailand. Just wanted to give my reports from the past 4-5 days based on information I gleaned from this board's wisdom.

Day 1.

My flight landed at 2 am so by the time I got to my hotel it was nearly 3 am so I crashed. Woke up early due to jetlag and did some research, ate some food and got some general affairs in order. FWIW, I stayed on Soi 15 based on hotel elite status (that should give it away right there).

Around noon, I took the BTS from Asok to Phrom Phong. Destination: Dokidoki as I wanted to try some nuru and there was a Japanese restaurant right next door I was itching to try. Good food BTW and some cute waitresses LOL.

Stopped in, there were 3 girls available and I picked Happy. Looked just like her pictures from what mama showed me and she led me upstairs and we undressed. Natural boobs, a little bit of a pooch and baby damage but her face was so freaking cute. Experience was similar to any soapy place I've been to in Australia, HK and S Korea. The nuru was pretty fun though, she was sliding over every part of my body with every part of her body. We almost fell off the bed a couple times and we laughed and just generally had a good time. After the nuru, on went the rubber and she gave an average CBJ and then we went thru all the positions. With the nuru gel and her own juices making everything slippery, I popped in mish and she cleaned me up with a good scrub and shower. Since we had some time left, she offered a massage which was nothing to write home about.

Damage: 3000 thb...[/QUOTE]Hi mate,

Sorry to bother you. But after reading your review on her it might be my g / f, Somebody who should have left the scene a year ago but the description of her is so scarcely close. The size, body, name is the same, age. Mate, can you remember if she had any tattoo's? And the locations or could you tell me what her hair was like? (few very easy tells) or what was her skin like on her face. Or can we private message.

I think tattoos will be telltale.

Obviously praying it's not her but if it is you could save me a fortune LOL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2305676]So much for those racist (or more likely jealous) guys on here who always make fun of Asians with their 333 comments.

[/QUOTE]I've had a Thermae girl laugh out loud at that characterization and confirm it, even though her clients are exclusively Asian. (and she's afraid of "big" schlongs, though she takes particular pleasure in ridiculing the size (or lack thereof) of her first Thai boyfriend.

But you're right, physiologically speaking, the first 3 inches is where most of the vaginal nerve endings are. Anything beyond that and I think it becomes a mental thing (aphrodisiac or block).

[QUOTE=Tsfh14;2305589] Bangkok Golden Escorts with the one and only Bell..[/QUOTE]Thank you for the updates.

I'm glad to hear you enjoyed.

Yeah, she is not perfect but pretty much close to it. The bolt ONS are really the only downer IMO.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2305495]Well at least we agree on something. I think the Rainbow bars are the best gogo bars in Nana / cowboy. When was your last visit to the Rainbow bar (Rainbow 2 I believe) on the ground floor?

Baccara good too but hate how the girls stand in the same place set after set and they don't rotate. Wouldn't be so bad if seats weren't more difficult to find than a Super Bowl ticket.

I personally don't enjoy Billboard. Don't find them young and cute like I prefer.

You don't like Twisters or KC2?[/QUOTE]Proof that beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder and changes night to night: last night I found the NEP bars to be pretty much the reverse of what you described. I think my strong preference for personality and performance over straight beauty alone had a lot to do with my ratings vs others'. Thanks for your reviews and PM suggestions.

Bar by bar:

Rainbow 4. Standing room only Chinese sausage fest. All the booths were full of punters but only one girl for each 4 guy booth. Very attractive girls onstage but barely moving dancing, lots of surgery, no eye contact, no floor walkers chatting up punters. No atmosphere with girls essentially immobile on stage and guys staring off, ogling them.

Twister. Many 5 and 6's, BBWs to the left stage dancing and topless, lookers to the right just standing there, lots of eye contact from the dancers.

Butterfly. Many rough heads on ok bodies, a few very attractive girls scattered amongst the crowd, shots delivered by the tray.

Geisha. Heads barely ok at best, lots of baby damage.

Billboard. The girls were again segregated, tall lookers barely mobile on the revolving stage and older roughies in the water bath topless and actually dancing, good party atmosphere, girls making eye contact and walking the floor, greeting guests.

I noticed that all bars were predominantly delivering LDs as shots so pay your money and bam, it was gone.

To keep things in context I said the best in Nana. I think I mentioned to you that you will not like BKK gogo bars. I guess I was right on that front.

I assume you'll be going to Cowboy tomorrow. I hate Crazy House with a passion but you may want to check it out since BKK guys rave about it. If you do find a girl to buy a drink for watch your bar tab and make sure she only orders one drink at a time.

Again thanks for your unbiased reviews from an experienced monger who hasn't been to Thailand in years.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2305737]Proof that beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder and changes night to night: last night I found the NEP bars to be pretty much the reverse of what you described. I think my strong preference for personality and performance over straight beauty alone had a lot to do with my ratings vs others'. Thanks for your reviews and PM suggestions.

Bar by bar:

Rainbow 4. Standing room only Chinese sausage fest. All the booths were full of punters but only one girl for each 4 guy booth. Very attractive girls onstage but barely moving dancing, lots of surgery, no eye contact, no floor walkers chatting up punters. No atmosphere with girls essentially immobile on stage and guys staring off, ogling them.

Twister. Many 5 and 6's, BBWs to the left stage dancing and topless, lookers to the right just standing there, lots of eye contact from the dancers.

Butterfly. Many rough heads on ok bodies, a few very attractive girls scattered amongst the crowd, shots delivered by the tray..[/QUOTE]Rainbow 4 is not a sausage fest. LOL. It's Japanese Chimpo fest.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2305761]To keep things in context I said the best in Nana. I think I mentioned to you that you will not like BKK gogo bars. I guess I was right on that front.

I assume you'll be going to Cowboy tomorrow. I hate Crazy House with a passion but you may want to check it out since BKK guys rave about it. If you do find a girl to buy a drink for watch your bar tab and make sure she only orders one drink at a time.

Again thanks for your unbiased reviews from an experienced monger who hasn't been to Thailand in years.[/QUOTE]Actually I had a good time because I wasnt after a huge night. I could see a few too many drinks leading to padded drink orders, tabs and false promises from the girls if one wasnt careful. I did see several instances of literally trays of LDs magically arriving at guys' tables. Whether they were ordered or not, I don't know but I could imagine some pretty sever cases of sticker shock at the nights end.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2305660]Erect lengths average from 12 to 16 centimeters (4. 7 to 6. 3 inches).[/QUOTE]I don't worry about it in Asia. I've mentioned before on this forum that the girls often comment about my penis being small. "Why you have dick small same like Asian man?" That's why they have never complained about it being too big. It's an advantage with the hard core professionals, but a disadvantage with some of the non pro Asians. It's definitely a disadvantage in the USA.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2305777]Actually I had a good time because I wasnt after a huge night. I could see a few too many drinks leading to padded drink orders, tabs and false promises from the girls if one wasnt careful. I did see several instances of literally trays of LDs magically arriving at guys' tables. Whether they were ordered or not, I don't know but I could imagine some pretty sever cases of sticker shock at the nights end.[/QUOTE]I don't know how your getting cheated at CH. They bring the Tab, you sign it and it goes into a small can in front of you. Why go crazy with LD's? If you want to buy a lady a drink pay cash, no Tab.

BTW? Is Apple still dancing with side show when she gets the dayglow painted on her body? Short punk style hair? If she move's in bed the way she dances on stage she has to be a great lay. I went back to see her the following night and she was bar fined.

RL.

Watch out for scamming mamasans!

While we're on the subject of being cheated, here's my recent experience of scammy mamasan attempting to cheat me twice within 3 minutes.

Was in Rainbow4 a few days ago. I was in the process of barfining a girl, the mamasan wrote down the price on paper. Barfine is supposed to be 700 baht, that one wrote 1700 baht. When I inquired why barfine is 1700, she crossed off the '1' and laughed it off as being a mistake. Yea right.

Then I handed her the 1000 baht bills for the barfine. I know exactly how many bills I gave her, but when she counted back to me, it was 1 bill short. I argued I gave her exactly X-amount of bills, why 1 bill short?! I realized that in the process, she put one of my bills in the tab-cup of the customer sitting next to me, and told me that bill belongs to that customer. I ain't stupid, the tab-cup only contains paper tabs for drinks, nobody puts money in it, that 1000 baht bill belongs to me. I argued hard and again she admitted that I was right.

So there you go, if I wasn't clear-minded enough, I would have lost 2000 baht on the spot. I can easily imagine how many people she scammed using these tricks. On the spot, everything is fast and a little fuzzy (loud environment, maybe a little drunk so not too clear-headed), it's very easy to make mistakes and just give her the amount she asks if you're not careful.

That scamming mamasan was badge number 202 at Rainbow4.

The night before that, I was at another gogo. Before I left, I gave 100 baht tip to the mamasan-A whom I talked to. Another mamasan-be, whom I haven't seen or talked to the whole time I was there, approached and asked for tip. I refused politely and she appeared to be sad. Damn right, am I supposed to tip you just for walking in front of me? Mamasan-A was hugging on my arm and laughing that Mamasan-be didn't get my tip, she was joking that I liked her and not the other mamasan. No bich! I don't like you either, I only like the girl I'm about to take out.

Though they appear to be friendly on the outside, keep in mind that only one thing matters for them: milk the most cash out of you as possible. Be respectful to them, but refuse when you think a tip is not justified.

Watch out for these scamming mamasans, take care of your money!

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2305813]I don't know how your getting cheated at CH.....

RL.[/QUOTE]You may have misread my report: I wasnt cheated and I wasnt in Crazy Horse, Soi CowBoy. My report lists the bars that I visited in Nana Plaza where I saw numerous guys get trays of LDs delivered that they may or may not have agreed to.

BananaBoi suggested I may wish to visit CH but, if I do, watch my tab for padding. I may make it to Soi Cowboy later, depending on what my friends' plans are.

I've never met Apple.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Tsfh14;2305589]Gentlemen,

Day 3.

My 3rd day in BKK was actually omw back from a different SE Asia country; arrived at DMK in the late evening. Showered, and decided to try Soi Cowboy around 9 pm and admittedly, my least researched monger area. Got a beer at a place next to the Wild west gun place and people watched. Still lots of Asians everywhere, but seemed to be more diversity overall with Indians and white people. Funnily enough, there was an older white gentleman and a young Asian guy at a table talking to each other--I like to think the old wise experienced guy was showing the newbie the ropes of the game.

I made a few laps dodging the girls grabbing your arm and pinching your nipples. I wasn't quite sure where I wanted to go, but one of the gogo bars closer to the Western end of the street (towards Terminal 21) seemed to have the hottest girls standing outside in white bikinis. Stopped by a place where a ping pong show (was going on but I lost interest after 5 minutes. However, I was passing by Baccara and just on a random whim seeing one smokin hot girl come out, I decided to pop in there first. Got my entrance fee beer and went in and would you know it, there were even more Asians than Thermae! I fought my way around the stage where a bunch of girls w / #s were dancing (aka bobbing lazily to the music). After watching them bop around awhile, a mamasan approached me and asked who I liked. I appreciated that she had prices listed on a card explicitly so there was no room for negotiation or being ripped off. I said I'd like to see more of the talent there so I went upstairs which I think are the smoking floors. Although I hate smoke, it was less crowded and the girls were dancing topless. I bought a few more drinks for myself and watched several rotations of girls come and go and finally motioned to one spinner-type girl over. I had been talking to the girl closest to me and she was just a delightful gal with a super fun personality, amazing tits and smile and spoke very good English. But alas, I had my target..[/QUOTE]Hi mate,

The girl you met at Bac New, it may or may not be the girl I'm funding and meant to be dating same name, build, age (well kinda), She was meant to of gave up the scene 1 year ago. Do you remember is she had any Tattoos? Or any thing which will make it easy to identify her? How was her skin on her face or a her hair style.

Would really appreciate a PM.

[QUOTE=Tsfh14;2305589]Gentlemen,

Been mongering for awhile but believe it or not, first time to Thailand. Just wanted to give my reports from the past 4-5 days based on information I gleaned from this board's wisdom.[/QUOTE]Nice report, thanks for taking the time to give something back. It sounds like you had a little taste of several dishes that BKK offers, and you seemed to have enjoyed it all a great deal. Good times, good times.

I've been lurking on this board for few months planning my first trip to Thailand. Thanks to all the senior members, and all those who have taken the time to post trip reports. Your knowledge and experience have made it possible for me to take this trip on my own.

I planned on posting this list before I left, but the site went down as I was leaving. I am now back home. I've decided to go a head and post this anyway (with some post trip updates). Maybe it will be helpful to some other newbie. Reports to follow.

Any prices I list are my rough estimate from the research I've done here and elsewhere. It looks like prices do vary some. I'm flying into Bangkok and staying 4 nights there. Then planning on hiring a car to Pattaya for 5 nights. Then the ferry to Hua Hin for 3 nights, and finally another car back to Bangkok for 2 more nights.

A little about me, mid 40's, average looking white guy, out going. I like to drink and stay up late, but I know my limits and rarely push them. I usually go for the girl next door types. Generally I'm more interested in personality and making a connection than just fucking the hottest girl in the room. DFK, and DATY are the most important for me.

I'll be traveling solo and plan on sampling a little of everything. I like to do as much research as possible so I have a good idea of what to expect. At the same time I'm trying not to over plan so I have room to just go with the flow. In Bangkok I'm staying just down the street from Nana Hotel on Soi 4. Looks to be a nice place with a roof top pool. Total cost is $70 a night. I'm budgeting for $200-$250 a day (excluding hotel and travel cost) and hoping to have $ left over. There will probably be at least one day I lay low and don't spend much.

After reading through the form here's my rough plan for Bangkok. I know this list probably won't be of much use to all the veterans, but hopefully it helps out another newbie. I'll do my best to take notes and write up some actual reports.

In Bangkok I plan on at least one soapy. It looks like La Belle would be my high end choice (2,600-8,000 tbht) since Lord is now closed.

Emanuel and Poseidon look to be similar with similar pricing.

Doki Doki is on my don't miss list. The reviews of the service are great. They do nuru but no tubs in the room from my understanding. I'm seeing 3,500 for 90 minutes. No lineup here (maybe available on request?) you pick from an iPad. Kiss and Alice are highly recommended (book in advance if you want them.). I went here twice. Reports to follow.

101 premier looks like a nice value at 2,500-2,700 for 2 hours. I'm not sure if they have nuru though.

Mango is the best value nuru with a good review I found. 1,500-1,900. I think the girls there are a little older MILF types.

I'm also interested in an oil massage. Tulip, Snow White, Hi Class and Joy Candy are on my radar.

Sensual Massage (261,29 Sukhumvit 22Rd) 90 min tantra and FS 2,500.

Exotic Massage Bangkok (261/30 Sukhumvit Rd) 60 min FS 1,700.

Dozo. 60 min bath room 2,400,90 min bath room 2,800,60 min nuru 3,200,90 min nuru 3,600. They do a line up here. Might be only one shot.

Cherry I stopped in to check out the line up and ask about prices one afternoon. I believe I was quoted 2,700 for 2 hours Nuru with unlimited pops. Line up was average with about 10 girls of various ages and sizes. They do Nuru here, but do not have the air mattress. Nuru is done on a mat. I'm guessing like at Chrome Bar (aka Annies). Mama promised great service to me and was very proud of the unlimited pops perk here.

Chrome Bar (aka Annie's) 2,000 1 hour Nuru, 3,000 2 hour Nuru. Done on a mat. Gel not heated. One pop on the bed. Only one pop for 2 hour also. Service was average for me. Report to follow.

There's a group of massage places owned by the same place that have nice websites. But I haven't been able to find many reliable reviews. Bangkok Passion Massage, Bangkok Bunny Massage, Honey Bee, and Kiss Bangkok. These places have inconsistent google reviews. Most of the good reviews are by people with only one review. Always makes me suspicious.

The Eden Club is on my must list. 2 girls 3 pops 90 minutes. 4,500 - 5 k. Excellent service. Report to follow.

Freelancers. Thermae is on my don't miss list. 2. 5 k - 3. 5 k ST (3. 5 if she's really hot).

I'll also be checking out the bars along Asoke and Nana. I'm hoping to find a girl suitable for LT to explore the city with and try out some street food. I'm thinking a freelancer might be my best bet for this.

There are plenty of freelancers available all around the Sukhumvit area at all times of day. Soi 4 at night there are many. I found some at all times of the day on the main road (between Soi 4 and Soi 15? Maybe even further.) Prices quoted were 1,500- 2,500St and 2,000 -4,000 for LT. I didn't ask any older rougher looking ladies. Maybe cheaper rates are out there. I got smiles every time I walked this street.

Bars. The many Hillary's, Beer Garden. I'm thinking I won't have trouble finding many more.

Go Gos. I'll be checking out the go go's for sure (Nana and Soi Cowboy). Most likely I'll buy some lady drinks and chat, but I probably won't barfine a go go girl unless I have a great connection. Average ST 3,000 plus 700 Barfine plus Lady Drink. By my estimate 5,000 bhat for short time seems be the average total after lady drinks and barfine. I could see the cost getting out of control here if I stay too long and buy too many lady drinks.

Discos. I'll probably skip these altogether. Unless I end up meeting some wingmen that really want to go. Loud club music has never been my thing.

Smooci. If I'm feeling lazy I might use this at some point. 3 k-6 k with lots of girls at 3,750 k. 2 hours 2 pops.

Thai Friendly. I have the app and a profile. I'll be taking a look just for fun. But I don't think I'll have enough time to make it useful.

BJ bars. I'll probably poke my head into a couple just to check them out. Looks like FS is available in some for extra. Wood bar is 1 k with a line up. Others on my radar, L0 litas, Kasalong, 7 Heaven, BJ Guru.

Chinatown. I'll already be going there to check out the food scene. I'll be on the lookout for any deals to be had. Sounds like it's a bottom of the barrel situation over there though. 500 - 1000 bhat.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2305660]Although studies have shown that the first 3 inches of the top of the inside of the vagina are the most sensitive and pleasing for a lady. Being long is not important to anyone but their ego.[/QUOTE]I guess you're also fucking a fat woman because she has a pussy. Everything else is not important to anyone but their ego.

[QUOTE=Tsfh14;2305589]Gentlemen,

Been mongering for awhile but believe it or not, first time to Thailand. Just wanted to give my reports from the past 4-5 days based on information I gleaned from this board's wisdom.[/QUOTE]Good stuff. Happen to participate in the AAMP scene in America?

How strict is the smoking ban in Sukhumvit, E. G. In Soi 4 or 22 or 33 or Soi Cowboy? Is smoking still allowed in the garden restaurant? Is smoking still allowed on the streets? If smoking is no longer allowed outside the buildings, I will not go to Thailand. I have been in Bangkok regularly for a month in autumn for twenty years. I am a smoker. In my hotel there is one floor for smokers. Do they still exist? Where can I still smoke?

[QUOTE=Mungof;2305883]Doki Doki is on my don't miss list. The reviews of the service are great. They do nuru but no tubs in the room from my understanding. I'm seeing 3,500 for 90 minutes. No lineup here (maybe available on request?) you pick from an iPad. Kiss and Alice are highly recommended (book in advance if you want them.). [/QUOTE]You can ask for a line up. They've added quite a few new ladies over the past 6 weeks and I get the feeling (based on my experience trying one of their newest girls and some other reports) the service level is now more varied (slightly worse) depending on the girl training issue?

The most popular girls are Alice, Kiss & Kyoko so I'd advise booking in advance if you want to try them.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2305968]Good stuff. Happen to participate in the AAMP scene in America?[/QUOTE]Yes sir, mostly on the east coast. If you have any questions specifically about USA AMPS, PM me since this is the BKK thread.

And to keep this post somewhat relevant, I have a slight update report from a small town north of Phuket that I'll post in the other thread.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2305884]I guess you're also fucking a fat woman because she has a pussy. Everything else is not important to anyone but their ego.[/QUOTE]Although I consider your reply as an attach it didn't work. I have fucked some pleasantly plumb ladies, and they really appreciate it. Some of the best fucks I have ever had. I'm talking about 65 K max, but sweet and soft.

Don't close the door to any new experiences. Short of fucking African, LB's or Post Opp's, I've tried them all. It's attitude that counts, the best fucks are the girls with great attitudes, the ones that like to play and be naughty. Love Them all.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2306048]It's attitude that counts, the best fucks are the girls with great attitudes, the ones that like to play and be naughty.[/QUOTE]Yup; for me attitude is twice as important as looks. While it is difficult to quantify it feels like something like this:

Looks 7 Attitude 10 is (7+10+10)/3 = 9 overall experience.

Looks 10 Attitude 7 is (10+7+7)/3 = 8 overall experience.

So IMO even the average Tulip gal who is good natured, engaged, and has no stop signs might end up providing a session rating a (5+10+10)/3 = 8. 33 overall experience. As always YMMV.

SL.

[QUOTE=SpeedBird009;2305844]Hi mate,

The girl you met at Bac New, it may or may not be the girl I'm funding and meant to be dating same name, build, age (well kinda), She was meant to of gave up the scene 1 year ago. Do you remember is she had any Tattoos? Or any thing which will make it easy to identify her? How was her skin on her face or a her hair style.

Would really appreciate a PM.[/QUOTE]No offense but.

Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha.

Another ATM.

[QUOTE=Chrigu41;2306005]How strict is the smoking ban in Sukhumvit, E. G. In Soi 4 or 22 or 33 or Soi Cowboy? Is smoking still allowed in the garden restaurant? Is smoking still allowed on the streets? If smoking is no longer allowed outside the buildings, I will not go to Thailand. I have been in Bangkok regularly for a month in autumn for twenty years. I am a smoker. In my hotel there is one floor for smokers. Do they still exist? Where can I still smoke?[/QUOTE]What smoking ban? This is Thailand. Just because there's a new law doesn't mean it gets enforced. It will only be an issue as a reaction to a public outcry.

[QUOTE=Tsfh14;2306039]Yes sir, mostly on the east coast. If you have any questions specifically about USA AMPS, PM me since this is the BKK thread.

And to keep this post somewhat relevant, I have a slight update report from a small town north of Phuket that I'll post in the other thread.[/QUOTE]Hi,

You need to be a paid member to receive PMs, east cost where? South fla here.

[QUOTE=HelloMan2;2305828]Watch out for scamming mamasans!

While we're on the subject of being cheated, here's my recent experience of scammy mamasan attempting to cheat me twice within 3 minutes.

Was in Rainbow4 a few days ago. I was in the process of barfining a girl, the mamasan wrote down the price on paper. Barfine is supposed to be 700 baht, that one wrote 1700 baht. When I inquired why barfine is 1700, she crossed off the '1' and laughed it off as being a mistake. Yea right.

Then I handed her the 1000 baht bills for the barfine. I know exactly how many bills I gave her, but when she counted back to me, it was 1 bill short. I argued I gave her exactly X-amount of bills, why 1 bill short?! I realized that in the process, she put one of my bills in the tab-cup of the customer sitting next to me, and told me that bill belongs to that customer. I ain't stupid, the tab-cup only contains paper tabs for drinks, nobody puts money in it, that 1000 baht bill belongs to me. I argued hard and again she admitted that I was right.[/QUOTE]Anyone monitor Japan social media. Its been a steady decline in business since 2014 or so. I wouldn't doubt on certain nights the Rainbows are losing large amounts of cash, or at least not making any.

$150 or so for mediocre 30 minutes is something even the Japanese boys can pass on.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2306099]What smoking ban? This is Thailand. Just because there's a new law doesn't mean it gets enforced. It will only be an issue as a reaction to a public outcry.[/QUOTE]There was a smoking ban enacted recently at Thailand airports. No more access to smoking rooms behind security. Caused a fuss with folks coming from Asian countries where smoking is mandatory.

As for anywhere else (streets, hotels, etc) I did not notice a difference.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2306196]There was a smoking ban enacted recently at Thailand airports. No more access to smoking rooms behind security. Caused a fuss with folks coming from Asian countries where smoking is mandatory.

As for anywhere else (streets, hotels, etc) I did not notice a difference.

SL.[/QUOTE]OP was referring to the smoking ban that states you have to be at least 5 metres away from any public entrance / exit to a public building and yes that includes bars. This is the new law with no enforcement.

This would make Cowboy, Patpong, Soi 6, Lk Metro, and Walking Street more or less a smoke free zone in public areas.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2306202]OP was referring to the smoking ban that states you have to be at least 5 metres away from any public entrance / exit to a public building and yes that includes bars. This is the new law with no enforcement.

This would make Cowboy, Patpong, Soi 6, Lk Metro, and Walking Street more or less a smoke free zone in public areas.[/QUOTE]It would be great if they actually enforced this.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2306211]It would be great if they actually enforced this.[/QUOTE]Would be even better if they enforced no smoking inside bars.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2306214]Would be even better if they enforced no smoking inside bars.[/QUOTE]Yes, absolutely. When the first regulations were passed, it was enforced for a time. That became lax quite quickly.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2306217]Yes, absolutely. When the first regulations were passed, it was enforced for a time. That became lax quite quickly.[/QUOTE]Would be great if at least cigars were not allowed. A good start. They are just far too stinky.

I would like to see drunks not allowed in also. Hate it when drunks are standing in front of my seat, lurching around, crashing into tables and drinks etc. Maybe its because I drink so rarely, alcohol. Although I believe in leg-openers for girls, I hate them to be really drunk too.

It maybe that some bars may try to stop bad BO in some ways. I seem to encounter it much less than in former times.

Was there last night from midnight till 1 am. Some very cute looking ladies.

Saw an Indian guy approaching one of the best looking girl present. He said Hello, extended his hand and then askes how much, she quoted 3000st and 6000 LT. He countered with 4000 LT but she didn't accept. He moved on.

From an observers point of view it was a very clean and precise transection which didn't happen.

This guy didn't have or use any game. Was not very good looking but appeared polite and professional type. In the end it was just money that made the difference.

Walked out Thermae and an older lady grabs my arm. She asked 1000 and then 500 and then said I suck you in parking for 300. Now I haven't done that in BKK. In turned out to be a male toilet cubicle in nearby mall. It is indeed fum to just be in bkk.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2306067]Yup; for me attitude is twice as important as looks. While it is difficult to quantify it feels like something like this:

Looks 7 Attitude 10 is (7+10+10)/3 = 9 overall experience.

Looks 10 Attitude 7 is (10+7+7)/3 = 8 overall experience.

So IMO even the average Tulip gal who is good natured, engaged, and has no stop signs might end up providing a session rating a (5+10+10)/3 = 8. 33 overall experience. As always YMMV.

SL.[/QUOTE]The personality girls in the Bars are inDoubtly the 3's and 4's and 5's. Almost never see a 7 actively looking for a bar fine.

I landed at 1 am Thursday local time in Bangkok. Cleared customs and looked downstairs at the Airport for the currency exchange with the better rates. I found out they are closed at that time of the night. Got in a cab and headed to my hotel near Nana on Soi 4. I did tell the cab driver it was my first visit to Thailand, and that I was traveling alone. Maybe a mistake, but I figured I could handle whatever he threw at me. He got real excited and asked me if I was going to see any ladies while I was here. "Maybe. " I told him "I'll be looking. " he drove me near Asok train station on Phetchaburi Road near La Belle Entertainment I believe and slowed down the car near some freelancers. Where we stopped there about 6 or so pretty good looking 20 something girls. There was a pappasan. "Which one you want?" I had been awake around 30+ hours at this point. "No, not right now. I just want to check into my hotel. " "Take her with. She check in with you. " I wasn't on the ground more than an hour. I was not prepared for this and forgot to inquire about price for research purposes. I insisted "Not right now. Thank you. Hotel please. " he drove me to the hotel without any trouble. He told me I could check in and take a Tuk tuk back if I wanted. I made a note on google maps of the location. I paid the metered fair plus 50 bhat I believe for an extra airport charge and a small tip.

Driving down Soi 4 around 2:30 am I noticed it was still pretty lively. Bars still open, massage girls still out on the street looking for customers. I checked in, showered and headed out to find some company around 3 am. The bars were turning out their lights, but people were still inside drinking. Lots of people on the street. Near the entrance to Nana plaza I was approached by a cute little Cambodian girl in her 20's asking if I wanted a beer. They had plastic chairs and stools set up on the street and a cooler full of beer. Like a street vendor little bar. I bought a Chang for myself (100 bhat) and a beer for the girl (I believe the same price). It was fun to watch the late night crowd leave Nana and chat with my new friend. She spoke decent enough English. There did appear to be a mamasan there and there was one other girl that was doable. She wanted 2,000ST. I countered with 1,500 and she accepted. She wouldn't do LT.

Back at the hotel she wanted to shower alone. No kissing. Yes to DATY. I can't remember if bbj or not. I'm not really into blow jobs. She has huge milk saucer nipples that are super sensitive, so she would barely let me suck on them. I can't remember how old her baby is. Maybe that's why her nipple were so sensitive. Petite little body around 5'. No major baby damage to her stomach. Nice round little ass. And a very cute face. All positions no problem. I'm pretty sure I finished by hand. It's hard for me to cum with a condom and no kissing. She was in my room a little over an hour I think. WIR? No too many rules. Sorry, can't remember her name.

I am back in town and was wondering whether anyone knows of any women who are lactating or 7-8 pregnant? It is a bucket list thing. LOL.

[QUOTE=Chrigu41;2306005]How strict is the smoking ban in Sukhumvit, E. G. In Soi 4 or 22 or 33 or Soi Cowboy? Is smoking still allowed in the garden restaurant? Is smoking still allowed on the streets? If smoking is no longer allowed outside the buildings, I will not go to Thailand. I have been in Bangkok regularly for a month in autumn for twenty years. I am a smoker. In my hotel there is one floor for smokers. Do they still exist? Where can I still smoke?[/QUOTE]Since I have come here there is no ban as such except obviously like mrt stations and outside malls, many hotels have strict policies about smoking in the rooms same with bars, on streets no one cares!

It has occurred to me that a monger can determine the health of a provider during foreplay by examining her vaginal discharge. This could assist said monger in determining whether to indulge in non covered activity such as BBFS, BBBJ or DATY. The below mentioned information should be of assistance:

Clear discharge. Healthy.

Grey discharge. Vaginal vaginosis.

Pink discharge. Cervical bleeding.

Yellow / Green discharge. Bacterial infection or sexually transmitted infection. There also may be an odor associated with it.

Brown discharge. This could be a sign of uterine or cervical cancer. Additionally, during menopause, a woman should not have any type of vaginal bleeding, which is also a sign of uterine cancer.

Red discharge. Menstruation, cervical infection, cervical polyp, endometrial or cervical cancer.

Thick, White cottage cheese-type discharge. Yeast infection. Roughly 90 percent of women will have a yeast infection at some point in their life.

How do people usually sponsor these girls?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2306235]Would be great if at least cigars were not allowed. A good start. They are just far too stinky.

I would like to see drunks not allowed in also. Hate it when drunks are standing in front of my seat, lurching around, crashing into tables and drinks etc. Maybe its because I drink so rarely, alcohol. Although I believe in leg-openers for girls, I hate them to be really drunk too.

It maybe that some bars may try to stop bad BO in some ways. I seem to encounter it much less than in former times.[/QUOTE]You should take a VIP room from next time. No booze no smoke no other bar patrons no body standing in front of you. Only you.

WrongGuy, no game is needed in Bangkok. Agree Indian men can attract top girls in Bangkok. I've seen it too at Thermae.

No game needed for P4P.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2306466]WrongGuy, no game is needed in Bangkok. Agree Indian men can attract top girls in Bangkok. I've seen it too at Thermae.[/QUOTE]The Indian guy he said failed to close a deal with the Thermae girl based solely on offering her 4000 baht might disagree with you on that.

[QUOTE=WrongGuy;2306237]Was there last night from midnight till 1 am. Some very cute looking ladies.

Saw an Indian guy approaching one of the best looking girl present. He said Hello, extended his hand and then askes how much, she quoted 3000st and 6000 LT. He countered with 4000 LT but she didn't accept. He moved on.

From an observers point of view it was a very clean and precise transection which didn't happen.

This guy didn't have or use any game. Was not very good looking but appeared polite and professional type. In the end it was just money that made the difference.

Walked out Thermae and an older lady grabs my arm. She asked 1000 and then 500 and then said I suck you in parking for 300. Now I haven't done that in BKK. In turned out to be a male toilet cubicle in nearby mall. It is indeed fum to just be in bkk.[/QUOTE]Just wondering what game beyond appearing professional and polite, which is more game than many wishful but failed punters employ, were you expecting him to exhibit? Pulling a rabbit out of his hat with a Lexus key dangling from its mouth?

And how do you know she wouldn't have given him the worst LT in Bkk history even if he had agreed to pay her the 6000 baht and if she had agreed to walk out with him? Of course, those are big "if"s I suspect she knew were not going to happen that night anyway.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2306531]The Indian guy he said failed to close a deal with the Thermae girl based solely on offering her 4000 baht might disagree with you on that.[/QUOTE]He low balled a top Thermae girl for LT. He was offered 6 k and countered with 4 k. I know my Thermae girls wouldn't do LT for 4 k. What are you paying a top looking Thermae girl for ST / LT?

[QUOTE=ArisCasa;2306367]You should take a VIP room from next time. No booze no smoke no other bar patrons no body standing in front of you. Only you.[/QUOTE]Smoking in bars is banned in Thailand.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2306538]Just wondering what game beyond appearing professional and polite[/QUOTE]If this is what having game is limited to. Because not "beyond" this. The bar is low when it comes to "having game".

But this subject has run its course, well I suppose not in the Bangkok section.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2306542]He low balled a top Thermae girl for LT. He was offered 6 k and countered with 4 k. I know my Thermae girls wouldn't do LT for 4 k. What are you paying a top looking Thermae girl for ST / LT?[/QUOTE]I don't bother targeting top looking girls in a venue. I say so repeatedly in my posts.

If the only goal and victory to be had with your top looking girls is to pay their asking price in order to be seen walking out with them, then yeah no point in employing any game including coming across professional and polite. No doubt about it, there is no game required on the punter's part to achieve that. I have repeated that point as well. With punters like that the girl has already won all the chips in the game.

But there was no indication a word was said about how many pops, as a result of what acts, not even how Long is a LT for her.

Only asking "How much?" and walking away when the numbers don't match is pretty lousy game even if accompanied by an effort to appear professional and polite. It is fine for buying a shirt at Robinsons though. So there is no chance she would have accepted 5000 for 1 pop in a 6 hour LT? Of course, if he is not applying minimal game to even try that he will never know.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2306558]If this is what having game is limited to. Because not "beyond" this. The bar is low when it comes to "having game".

But this subject has run its course, well I suppose not in the Bangkok section.[/QUOTE]The bar is low. And, as described, the Indian guy barely reached it. And he isn't the only one.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2306538]Just wondering what game beyond appearing professional and polite, which is more game than many wishful but failed punters employ, were you expecting him to exhibit? Pulling a rabbit out of his hat with a Lexus key dangling from its mouth?

And how do you know she wouldn't have given him the worst LT in Bkk history even if he had agreed to pay her the 6000 baht and if she had agreed to walk out with him? Of course, those are big "if"s I suspect she knew were not going to happen that night anyway.[/QUOTE]I just stated my observation. My point of view has always been that you don't need any game in P4P seen. Off course being a freak or weirdo would set you back. And price of any goods or services in an unregulated market is what a buyer is willing to pay for it. So for some it may be 6000 b, and for some it is 4000 b.

Om a different note, made a fool of myself yesterday. Had a TF girl visits me at 9 pm. She left just before midnight and I took a nap, woke up at 3 am. Now I am staying at soi 11 so thought may be will go out for a walk. Did a lap south toward NEP and then doubled back toward Thermae. A few cope around talking to girls. Now while I was coming back was approached by 2 girls. Picked one for 1000 be st. She asked taxi fare and I said if you are good. 5 min later we are at hotel reception and receptionist gives me that look and ask you OK sir? I said yes OK. Why shouldn't I. And she says, this is Mr. And I am holy shit, no of course I ak not OK. LB says I have operation, have pussy. But too freaked out now. Gave her 100 b taxi fare and sent her on away. All signs were probably there, I was just stupid or had my guards down. Hotel reception earned a half bottle of Bacardi in gratitude.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2306556]Smoking in bars is banned in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Yes I know that. But rarely enforced. One can understand a smoke free bar. But expecting an alcohol free bar, no drunk guys or guys standing between you and the stage? That's the funny part. If a bar doesn't sell alcohol, what do they expect to do business on?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2306466]WrongGuy, no game is needed in Bangkok. [/QUOTE]Try telling that to MonkeyPaw. He seems to think it's very important to have game.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2306613]Try telling that to MonkeyPaw. He seems to think it's very important to have game.[/QUOTE]The Indian man in question probably had a strong feeling there is no way he would get anything worth more than 4000 for LT with that girl. If not worth much less than that.

Look at it this way, if a professional looking man of almost any ethnicity, but especially an Indian man in Thailand, really thought the only thing standing in his way from enjoying top quality real sex into the night and more in the morning with one of the best looking girls in Thermae was the equivalent of less than $65 USD, he doesn't have a grasp of reality and a calculator. Forget game.

But if after facing her up close he well understood the "sex", if you can call it that, with one of the best looking girls in Thermae would likely be crap and overpriced at 1000 baht, then his best game play was when he walked away without wasting more of his time and breath.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2306048]Although I consider your reply as an attach it didn't work. I have fucked some pleasantly plumb ladies, and they really appreciate it. Some of the best fucks I have ever had. I'm talking about 65 K max, but sweet and soft.

Don't close the door to any new experiences. Short of fucking African, LB's or Post Opp's, I've tried them all. It's attitude that counts, the best fucks are the girls with great attitudes, the ones that like to play and be naughty. Love Them all.

RL.[/QUOTE]I'm fucking chubbies too. And ladyboys.

My point was: It might be true that it doesn't matter how big or small a cock is in terms of physical stimulation. But it certainly does matter for many in terms of psychological stimulation. Same as it doesn't matter in terms of physical stimulation whether a pussy is one of a fat, slim or midget girl, it certainly does matter for many in terms of psychological stimulation.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2306542]He low balled a top Thermae girl for LT. He was offered 6 k and countered with 4 k. I know my Thermae girls wouldn't do LT for 4 k. What are you paying a top looking Thermae girl for ST / LT?[/QUOTE]Real Thermae "freelancers" shy away from LT not only because its more efficient for them to make their dollars for ST (some can do multiple guys in 1 night).

But.

The actual freelancers also have real jobs. And perhaps live with their families, which means they cannot be out all night and or don't want to be questioned as to their whereabouts.

If you want LT, it gets easier on a weekend, particularly Sat night.

[QUOTE=Catire;2306676]Real Thermae "freelancers" shy away from LT not only because its more efficient for them to make their dollars for ST (some can do multiple guys in 1 night).

But.

The actual freelancers also have real jobs. And perhaps live with their families, which means they cannot be out all night and or don't want to be questioned as to their whereabouts.

If you want LT, it gets easier on a weekend, particularly Sat night.[/QUOTE]Another reason they don't like LT is their Thai boyfriend is waiting at home for her to return with money for him that she earned that night and to give her a good fucking.

Went yesterday to twisters, place looked quite empty and dull also the doorman was kinda rude. Girls almost 30 of them hardly danced or made any eye contact. What a let down. Planning to go to rainbow 4 today.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2306755]Another reason they don't like LT is their Thai boyfriend is waiting at home for her to return with money for him that she earned that night and to give her a good fucking.[/QUOTE]Good? With all 3 inches of rock hard butt punisher?

[QUOTE=Catire;2306676]The actual freelancers also have real jobs. And perhaps live with their families, which means they cannot be out all night and or don't want to be questioned as to their whereabouts..[/QUOTE]I've been frequenting the Thermae quite a few nights over the past 2 months and this is the mix of FL's I would categorize them into:

Full time (there literally every night till 1. 30 am) - 50%.

Full time (try their luck early in the evening before moving onto clubs / other venues) - 20%.

Part time (go to thermae when they need the $ but no regular / full time day job) - 20%.

Part time (regular girls with day jobs) - 10%.

This is based on my observations, my experiences with a number of Thermae girls along with feedback from a few friends and some info garned from a few of the girls themselves. It seems like the girls like representing to guys that they also hold down a regular day job rather than saying they're full time FLs. There also appears to be some structure in the bar with regards to where the girls stand. You will commonly see the same bunch of girls standing in the same spots. I spoke to one girl who was standing in the stairwell area (near the toilets) and asked her why she was there and not in the main bar and she replied that it was her first night there and this was were the newbies would start out until they made some friends / alliances.

[QUOTE=Catire;2306676]Real Thermae "freelancers" shy away from LT not only because its more efficient for them to make their dollars for ST (some can do multiple guys in 1 night).

But.

The actual freelancers also have real jobs. And perhaps live with their families, which means they cannot be out all night and or don't want to be questioned as to their whereabouts.

If you want LT, it gets easier on a weekend, particularly Sat night.[/QUOTE]I think for places like Thermae, lets take the pretense away. This place exist for one ans only reason which is girls get to sell their wares om their own terms. But they are there to sell, like all other shops or kiosks. We normally don't engage in too much small talk while buying a shirt, so may be a Hello, and how are you is enough before asking how much.

Now these girls are essentially selling their time, which is a perishable commodity. They can't sell today what they couldn't sell yesterday, and all these girls very well know it. So they may be reluctant to do LT at 8 pm but come 12.30 pm, I think they all will be seriously considering it, throw in no customer for whole night or small room with a roommate, no A/C, taxi not willing to go where they live etc etc. Any one of these reason is enough to make them consider LT. Went to Hillary 2 last week with a mate. He wanted to take a girl back to hotel, she was a little hesitant, he mentioned breakfast in bed and deal was done.

Then there is nothing like low balling, it is all matter of opinion, some people will always be willing to pay more than others for same product / service. Everyone has his own scale to measure and if one feels that something is worth considerably more or less he will price it accordingly.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2306542]He low balled a top Thermae girl for LT. He was offered 6 k and countered with 4 k. I know my Thermae girls wouldn't do LT for 4 k. What are you paying a top looking Thermae girl for ST / LT?[/QUOTE]I haven't seen a "top" thermae girl ever.

Maybe some think they are though.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2306775]Good? With all 3 inches of rock hard butt punisher?[/QUOTE]Same size as me.

The other thing those guys do is fill their girl full of sperm right before she heads out to work at Thermae.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2306868]Same size as me.

The other thing those guys do is fill their girl full of sperm right before she heads out to work at Thermae.[/QUOTE]And then when pregnant claim it is yours.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2306650]]best looking girls in Thermae was the equivalent of less than $65 USD, he doesn't have a grasp of reality and a calculator[/QUOTE]Perhaps I misunderstood your post, but 4000 baht is about $120 USD. That is overpriced any way you look at it. The Indian guy could've just had a 4000 baht limit and threw it out to the better looking girls at Thermae until he got a hit. Or he struck out and went down to the next tier of girls. A guy throwing out a price isn't game nor is moving on in a 15 second interaction otherwise nearly every monger who goes to Thailand has game which is an absurd line of thinking.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2306864]I haven't seen a "top" thermae girl ever.

Maybe some think they are though.[/QUOTE]Every venue has "top" girls relative to the others in that venue, no? How could it be any other way?

Of course, there are "top" performing Thermae girls even if those girls would fail to provide a minimal level of service by my standards and "top" looking or "best" looking Thermae girls even if those girls would be laughed off a preliminary Miss Universe contest stage. It is only rating them relative to the others in the same named venue. The term wasn't meant to imply "top" performing or "top" looking girls compared to all the girls in the world or among all the girls in Thailand. Not by me, anyway.

Revisiting my chicken wings analogy from a while back, a basket of chicken wings would logically have one or two meatier ones compared to the others. And that is true even if the restaurant is known for serving up pretty scrawny chicken wings overall.

If you had said, "I haven't seen a "top" girl in the world working in Thermae ever," I wouldn't disagree with you on that observation. I haven't seen a "top" looking girl in the world working in any Thai P4P venue. Let's say in the "top" 10% of what can be seen in the world, that is.

After my oil massage I found some food from a street vendor in a back side street near soi 11. I figured it was time to have a look in one of the bars, so I headed over to the Beer Garden on soi 4.

There were about 8 - 10 ladies at that time. Most of them were pretty old. A couple in their late 20's - 30's. No real lookers. And one pretty heavy one. I sat at the bar and got a beer. I was almost immediately approached by an older woman that wanted to sit with me. I politely declined telling her "Not right now. " Soon a younger one named Dao was talking to me. Not the prettiest girl, but she looked to have a decent curvy little body, and her English wasn't bad. I bought her a beer and pretty soon she agreed to 1,000 for ST. One the older ones was still trying to get in on the action. She was "joking" that I should take them both. She claimed to have incredible oral skills. I don't doubt she did. But I was only looking to entertain one lady today. Doa amd I stopped at Foodland on the way back to my hotel for some beer, and booze.

Back at the hotel we had some drinks and then showered together. Dao is late 20's early 30's. Kind of a plain face, curvy body, with a little belly. Nice natural tits and a nice ass. I really liked her body. Her attitude was amazing. She really wanted to take care of me. And went out of her way to please me. BBJ, DFK, I'm pretty sure anal would have been OK if I wanted to. We did it a couple of times taking breaks to shower and have another drink. At 4 pm I gave her 1,500 and we left to get food.

We ended up eating at place on the street next to the Beer Garden. Great Thai food and super cheap too. Then back to the hotel for more boom boom. She was initiating sex and started to mount me bareback. I'm sure CIP would have been fine. Then she suggested we get some food and eat in the room for dinner. We ended up getting a little something at a restaurant nearby on Soi 4 and some street food to bring back up. I lost track of how many times we did it. Must have been between 6-8. I had a hard time keeping up with her. She had to leave at 6 am. I gave her another 2,000. WIR? Yes, just based on her attitude and performance. For me 3,500 for 18 hours of unlimited pops was a good deal.

I just arrived Tuesday morning 1:30 and got a taxi into town. I stay on Soi 21 in a condo and when the taxi driver asked me if I wanted the highway, I said no traffic my friend, save me some money and I'll tip it to you. Anyway when he was getting off the main road and turning under the freeway there were all these ladies lining the road, with a few taxi's waiting with them. There must have been 25 WG's at least with short skirts and all looking hard as our taxi drove by. It was around 2:30 or 3:00 by that time and I asked him what's that, but he didn't understand.

My point is do any of the seniors know of this action? Do you know the location? It appears that it is well known and the ladies await customers.

Off to Phuket to enjoy my condo in Laguna and maybe play Songkran in Patong Beach. It's pretty crazy there.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2307045]I just arrived Tuesday morning 1:30 and got a taxi into town. I stay on Soi 21 in a condo and when the taxi driver asked me if I wanted the highway, I said no traffic my friend, save me some money and I'll tip it to you. Anyway when he was getting off the main road and turning under the freeway there were all these ladies lining the road, with a few taxi's waiting with them. There must have been 25 WG's at least with short skirts and all looking hard as our taxi drove by. It was around 2:30 or 3:00 by that time and I asked him what's that, but he didn't understand.

My point is do any of the seniors know of this action? Do you know the location? It appears that it is well known and the ladies await customers.

Off to Phuket to enjoy my condo in Laguna and maybe play Songkran in Patong Beach. It's pretty crazy there.

RL.[/QUOTE]Khampang Paet Soi 7. Well-known streetwalker pickup place. Actually some cute girls there but keep in mind it's a local place so the modus operandi and service level might not match your expectation. I took one girl home many years and kicked her out after she wanted the money before the deed. I think most prefer to go to the nearby A-Hotel anyway.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2307045]...off the main road and turning under the freeway there were all these ladies lining the road, with a few taxi's waiting with them. There must have been 25 WG's at least with short skirts and all looking hard as our taxi drove by. It was around 2:30 or 3:00 by that time...

...do any of the seniors know of this action? Do you know the location? It appears that it is well known and the ladies await customers.[/QUOTE]Sounds similar to where I was taken when I first arrived at the same time of the morning. I made a note on google maps. We were on the lower part of Phetchaburi road near the Asok train station and La Belle Entertainment. I'm not sure what the locals call this area though. I forgot to ask prices while we there.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2307045]I just arrived Tuesday morning 1:30 and got a taxi into town. I stay on Soi 21 in a condo and when the taxi driver asked me if I wanted the highway, I said no traffic my friend, save me some money and I'll tip it to you. Anyway when he was getting off the main road and turning under the freeway there were all these ladies lining the road, with a few taxi's waiting with them. There must have been 25 WG's at least with short skirts and all looking hard as our taxi drove by. It was around 2:30 or 3:00 by that time and I asked him what's that, but he didn't understand.
...

RL.[/QUOTE]Sounds like it was around the Entertainment Plaza Complex on New Petchaburi Rd. , Makkasan, Rachathewi. Cupidy Massage is there. Check it out on a Google Map search. I went to one of those soapies in that complex a few years ago, never repeated, and had heard there was some street action nearby. It isn't a convenient walking route so it is mostly "shopping by taxi", I suppose.

Way to go Mungof on the extra tip. That was special service.

I have seen lines of them on Khampang Phet Soi 7 or at least that is the way google spells it. EihTooms is right. They are behind the Plaza Entertainment Complex.

I was pretty satisfied after my 18 hours with Dao. So I spent the day Friday exploring the city and doing some tourist stuff. I figured I better get at least a few photos of the city to show friends and family back home.

I walked all around Chinatown, but couldn't locate any streetwalkers. Just a couple massage places that I'm guessing offered extras.

By 8:30 pm I headed out to check out the go gos in Nana. My first stop was Twister. I was there just after they opened. They have two stages. The girls were wearing red bikinis and a few of them were topless. They gave me a booth in the first row. #48 (Bouy) was the hottest to me. Curvy with big natural tits. Plus she had great energy. She seemed very playful and smiled at me immediately. I only hesitated a moment when she made the drink motion for her to come over. I tried my best not to appear too eager. I just got there after all. She sat on my lap and encouraged touching. Her tits came out. They really are nice. When she got up to dance she asked me to watch her purse. She picked a spot on stage right in front of me and got topless. It was like she was dancing just for me. When she came back, of course I got the drink hustle from the waitresses. "No, no. Not right now just her ". Then her friend came over. She was thin and hot (I forget her name and number). I said no to a LD for her at first, but eventually gave in when I got a 2nd one for Bouy. Bouy's English wasn't great or I might have actually barfined her. I think the BF was 1000 not sure. Can't remember what she quoted me on ST. I think 3000-3,500. Her friend leaned over and said that Bouy wants to fuck me. I should go with her. The night was young and I needed see the other go gos and check out Thermae. I told her I might be back. 910 for 3 LD and 1 beer for me. I tipped the waitresses 40 each. Total damage about 1,000.

Next I stopped in Billboard for a beer. Revolving stage with girls barley moving. And a jacuzzi with topless girls. There were a couple girls my style there but I was seated on a stool at a high top table. I did make a connection with one of the waitresses. Very thin, and a little older than I would go for but I said something that made her laugh and she hung out for a bit and rubbed my leg. She came back at some point to hang out and rub my leg and then held my hand a bit. I never bought her a drink or even asked her name. Nice girl though.

I walked in and out of a couple other places. Ended up at Spanky's for a bit. The noise of the foam spankers and the shower show in the corner got me to stay for a beer. I got an end seat in the front row booth. There were a few nice girls there. One was one real stunner. Red hair, really beautiful and she appeared to be all natural. I don't think they wear numbers at Spanky's or I'm sure I would have noted it. I couldn't get her to make eye contact with me, much less a smile. I thought about a LD just to get a closer look. But I no sooner thought it than she was called over by the guy behind me. Oh well, I need to get Thermae before I get too drunk.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2306658]I'm fucking chubbies too. And ladyboys.

My point was: It might be true that it doesn't matter how big or small a cock is in terms of physical stimulation. But it certainly does matter for many in terms of psychological stimulation. Same as it doesn't matter in terms of physical stimulation whether a pussy is one of a fat, slim or midget girl, it certainly does matter for many in terms of psychological stimulation.[/QUOTE]I don't think I have read many posts that admit they are fucking LB's. That is a stretch. I might have fucked a post-op but who knows? There are some guys in here that would fuck anything, if the price is right. I was walking down the Suk the other night and a FL ask me to take her. She said 1000 THB and 2 hours, 1 hour massage and 1 hour everything else. I was headed for a cold one at Soi 7 and told her I'd consider it. After the beer I decide I needed a massage and go get her.

She was gone. The lady that was next to her said, she went with an old man.

I went to CH to see what was happening and look for a friend and walked thru, saw Apple outside eating. Saw her face under a strong light. She is very old and not pretty at all. But she can fucking dance great. She does a body painted dance with one other lady.

Went to have a beer at Lighthouse, lady told me 1200 BF, she said same owner of bar across price same same. I asked for her line and she told she can't carry phone while working and if they see her give phone number she will be fired. Pretty girl from Chain Mai. This was outside not in the bar.

RL.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2306658]It might be true that it doesn't matter how big or small a cock is in terms of physical stimulation. But it certainly does matter for many in terms of psychological stimulation.[/QUOTE]

Big cock is a double edged sword. On one hand, sight of an above-average member can make a girl more horny. However, in SE Asia I found it surprisingly common that sex workers are dick-scared, get a bit apprehensive and expect it to be painful or unpleasant, which is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If she can't relax, it will indeed be less pleasant, physically as well as psychologically. Oddly, some guys get off giving the girl a proper pounding no matter what, but I don't.

I got my beer and took a quick survey of the room before my 1st lap. It was busy with wall to wall women. The first big smile I got was from a really cute early 20's girl just on the left as I started my loop. She was wearing a pretty conservative blue dress with some lace details, wedge shoes, and some interesting braids in the side of her hair. If you saw this girl on the street you would think she works in an office somewhere.

There were probably around 200 women in there at that time. It was what I expected from previous reports. I got about 10 or so smiles on the 1st lap. But I couldn't get the girl in the blue dress out of my head. I started my 2nd lap, but went right to her when she smiled again. Her name was Fai. I think she said she was from Chang Mai. Very limited English with this one. 3,000ST and she quoted me 7,000 LT. I asked her if she kissed. "Yes" OK let's go for ST.

We walked back to my hotel on Soi 4. I was carrying my beer in one hand while holding hands with her with my other. I was able to discreetly take 25 MG of Sildenifil (that I still had from Spain) while we walked through a big crowd of people. I had had a few drinks and wanted to be sure I was nice and hard for this girl.

When the dress came off she was wearing sexy black underwear underneath. She had a boob job but they were still soft with responsive nipples. Not too big. Really sexy. We showered together. She washed me. BBJ. DATY with her on my face, then DATY with her on her back. Cowgirl, mish, doggy, more with me on top. She couldn't handle having her legs on my her shoulders. I'm average size, but it was too deep for her. Maybe it was the beers, or maybe I heId off too long, or just couldn't get the right angle, but I couldn't finish inside her. I finished jerking off on her stomach. Then she showered and left pretty quickly. I gave her an extra 200 for cab $. She said she kissed but turns out only lightly. WIR? Maybe. She is a very sexy girl.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2307786]Big cock is a double edged sword. On one hand, sight of an above-average member can make a girl more horny. However, in SE Asia I found it surprisingly common that sex workers are dick-scared, get a bit apprehensive and expect it to be painful or unpleasant, which is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If she can't relax, it will indeed be less pleasant, physically as well as psychologically. Oddly, some guys get off giving the girl a proper pounding no matter what, but I don't.[/QUOTE]Many times when a Thai girl starts to exhibit painful shyness, apprehension and reluctance to go to my room to have sex after an agreement has been struck, it turns out it is either because she is worried my dick will be too big for her and/or her breasts will be too small for me. LOL.

Once they are assured that neither will be the case, then they relax, warm up to the idea and start to enjoy themselves. I used to think they were still concerning themselves about other issues; the money, the risks, any unknowns about my apartment, who else might be there, whatever. Nope. More often than not what is foremost in their minds during the taxi ride or walk to my room is whether my dick is bigger than they can handle and if I will be pleased with the size of their breasts.

Those are really much bigger worries in the minds of these girls than we might think.

Hi all, This report is long overdue but better late than never I guess.

I arrived in BKK Saturday before elections so of course there was no beer and the bars were pretty much shutdown. I was a thirsty Viking when I landed after a 12-hour flight from Europe so I thought, "Well this sucks. ".

Fortunately, the mongering hadn't dried up and I got very lucky from day one. This was a short trip, short and intense, but all holiday. Then it is back to work thank you very much.

First day on my way to Foodland I picked up this really pretty slim girl at the bus stop. For morning and early afternoon there are always half a dozen or so girls standing around "waiting for the "bus," I. E. , your dick. I haven't ever taken a FL here before, mainly because I just don't like the girls and their looks. Many are ladyboys anyway. But this girl was something else. Perky small boobs and a bubble butt to die for and hair pie too. I was in heaven and we spent the better part of the afternoon together. Man, she let me have my way with her, I mean nothing was off limits. My problem is I am slowing down and just can't keep up with the kids anymore. Plus the fact that I had spent 12 hours on this bloody awful flight. But I sure did enjoy her company to the fullest.

The next day I went back to Allstar and can give a more detailed report to anyone who so desires. PM me. But let's just say this:

MAY is superb if you like very petite, slender and skinny, perky boobies, firm buttocks, a soft little Bush. We had a lot of fun. I arrived around five and the girls were all having dinner, so I thought maybe the service would be so so. But no. Everything was fine. I kept them company while they were eating and we compared notes on girls and MPs. Very educational. And then I went upstairs for some fun and games.

May really got into it after a while and liked my attention to her p. Boy is she ever tight. She liked being on top, maybe because I am kind of a big guy (not fat). I am obviously attracted to her body type so I mean I was in heaven. Reminds me of my interns. She is only 22.

Nancy is good looking too but May is in a class by herself. The girls don't look anything like in their pictures but at least May and Nancy are just as pretty. Nancy is a petite girl too and very cute. Next time I have to try her.

Last January I went with Tartar and she is a screamer, loves to get her snatch eaten. "My god, my god," she groaned while I ate her out for like a half an hour. Old men eat the best pussy. And then she gave me a BBBJ CIM to write home about.

So for 2100 Bt for an hour All Star is a very good investment.

In the evening I hung out at Crazy House and boy did they ever have some pretty ones. I sat at the counter and ogled pussy for like an hour. Most snatches are shaved which is not to my liking but a few girls had a little bit of Bush to satisfy the Viking in me. Tits were nice too. A few of the younger girls were very perky, just to my liking.

In the evening I ventured out again, this time to Kasalong. Tonite I went with MAM, first time and had what I have to describe as the best session ever at Kasalong (out of 30-40 visits so far). Man did she suck nice and then we switched places, and the Viking knelt on that little knee rest they have. And before I knew it I was eating out her hairy little snatch like crazy and then I banged her on the couch in like every position. PM for more details.

I am staying at Nana again and I like the new rooms. Very comfortable. Of course the prices went up a bit too.

As usual I can only stay for a week or so but this visit was very much worth it. BUT I am feeling the wear and tear of age. More than one shot is pushing it these days but my vitamins help.

By the way has anyone tried the deaf mute girls at Nana? Some of them sure are cute but I don't know. They all advertise covered only BJ on their phones so I passed.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;2308044]...

By the way has anyone tried the deaf mute girls at Nana? Some of them sure are cute but I don't know. They all advertise covered only BJ on their phones so I passed.

Cheers![/QUOTE]I have tried 2 of the deaf girls who stand in front of the Nana Hotel parking lot. I would say their shared preference is definitely for everything to be covered. I know guys whose mere question about possible BBFS was met with overly dramatic reaction and the girl turning to the others to communicate something like avoid this guy like the plague. LOL. However, I got a commitment for BBFS with each of my girls when I typed it out on my phone along with the qualifier, "Bad sex or good sex?" after they showed me their "Sex for money, 1500 baht" message.

In one case, she immediately rewrote the amount to 2500, I chuckled because I loved her uncomplicated response about it and just said Ok. The other went from 1000 to 1500 to go off the menu for me.

But you might only be talking about BBBJ and only as oral foreplay, not sure. Seems to me that ought to be agreed to off their menu for no notable additional cost if the girl has been observed standing there without a taker for an hour or two.

I have not repeated with either. My curiosity was satisfied. One session was so weird and mechanical I aborted the mission before finishing although it was right there for me to finish if I'd wanted to. The other was better, the cheaper one of the two. She had a better body as well and finishing was no problem. But still a bit too weirdly mechanical to inspire me to repeat.

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;2308044]Hi all, This report is long overdue but better late than never I guess.

I arrived in BKK Saturday before elections so of course there was no beer and the bars were pretty much shutdown. I was a thirsty Viking when I landed after a 12-hour flight from Europe so I thought, "Well this sucks. ".

Fortunately, the mongering hadn't dried up and I got very lucky from day one. This was a short trip, short and intense, but all holiday. Then it is back to work thank you very much.

First day on my way to Foodland I picked up this really pretty slim girl at the bus stop. For morning and early afternoon there are always half a dozen or so girls standing around "waiting for the "bus," I. E. , your dick. I haven't ever taken a FL here before, mainly because I just don't like the girls and their looks. Many are ladyboys anyway. But this girl was something else. Perky small boobs and a bubble butt to die for and hair pie too. I was in heaven and we spent the better part of the afternoon together. Man, she let me have my way with her, I mean nothing was off limits. My problem is I am slowing down and just can't keep up with the kids anymore. Plus the fact that I had spent 12 hours on this bloody awful flight. But I sure did enjoy her company to the fullest..[/QUOTE]Is Allstars a one shot shop?

If you go 2 hours do you get 2 shots?

I ask cause there outcall at 3000 says one shot only so I guess in call the same?

After Fai from Thermae left it was still pretty early. 11:00 pm I think. Too early for bed. Plus, I was buzzed and feeling social. I'll just go downstairs and find someone to talk to and have a couple more beers.

I believe the name of the place I ended up at is called BK bar. It's further down on Soi 4 across the street from SM Grande Residence, and The Dawin hotel. There were about 12-15 women there. Mostly older and rougher looking with a few cuties mixed in. No stunners here. The bar was pretty dead. Two guys playing pool and a Swiss guy in there with his very young son. I did a quick survey of the talent and approached the cutest one that smiled at me. Immie is 26, very cute face, about 5'2" or so, a little chubby with big fake tits. Her English is very good. She used to date an American guy. She was good chatty and told me some cautionary tales from the street. She had recently met a British man that was in Bangkok for the first time. Got drunk and picked up a freelancer in Nana. Back to the hotel she gives ID to the desk. Upstairs and he finds out she's a ladyboy. Next thing he remembers he wakes up around 10 am and everything that isn't in the safe is gone. The ladyboy had fake ID with a real pic of her but a different name. They still haven't found the lady boy.

I learned that the girls live at that bar and they only get about 2 days off a month where they don't have to pay their barfine. When I told her I was going to Pattaya on Sunday for the first time she advised me not to tell anyone there it was my first time. I was really getting along with girl. I do believe she is a very genuinely nice person. BF was 500, and Immie wanted 3,500 for LT. I didn't try to negotiate. The drinks here were pretty reasonable. I had 2 beers, a shot and a bottle of water. And Immie had 3 LD's. The tab was 1,000 for the drinks (plus the 500 BF).

I slipped another 25 MG of sildenefil before we left the bar around midnight or so. I had quite a bit of beer in me by this point and didn't want any performance issues.

Up in my room the clothes came off and we showered together. Her body was what I expected. A bit of a tummy with a little baby damage. A nice ass, not amazing, but really nice. And big fake tits. They look nice, but they are a little hard. Maybe because they are recent? Her face is really cute. She soaped me up really well in the shower and I got super hard. "he likes you. " I said and she giggled.

On to the bed. BBJ, DATY, DFK. She seemed to really enjoy the DATY. I believe she did cum bus case she was very sensitive after. But who knows with any woman, especially a paid one. She was an OK kisser. At one point she giggled and said "I not a good kisser". True, but she did try that's the most important. I'd give her a 'A' for effort. She offered to start on top. Yes please. She was great on top. Rode me like a champ. I had her squat flat on her feet and was able to go really deep. I got on top of her for some mish. Probably the best position for us. I probably could have cum this way, but I held off. She doesn't really like doggy. She did agree to it, but not too hard. I'm average sized, but, I took it easy on her and didn't slam into her too hard or deep. At first she didn't arch her back properly, but I was able to reposition her. Back to mish and her ankles on my ears. I reached my point of holding off where I knew I wouldn't be able to cum inside her. Especially with a condom on. I finished by jerking off on her stomach.

She sleeps on her back because of the boob job. So spooning isn't really a thing for her. In the morning both of us had upset stomachs. Mine from too much mango I think. Her from too much tequila most likely. I sensed she wasn't up for another round. I was fine without doing it again. "How about I just (universal sign for jerking off)?" "Ohh, horny boy! Yeah, OK" she said. So I jerked off while she kissed me all over and let me explore her body. She left around 8 am. I didn't tip her. WIR? Maybe. She's a nice girl, and the English skills have been hard to come by. It was nice to just chat without google translate. She actually was able to understand some of my jokes. Also, she's hooking me up with her friend that is a driver. 1,500 to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2308078]I However, I got a commitment for BBFS with each of my girls when I typed it out on my phone along with the qualifier, "Bad sex or good sex?" after they showed me their "Sex for money, 1500 baht" message.

In one case, she immediately rewrote the amount to 2500, I chuckled because I loved her uncomplicated response about it and just said Ok. The other went from 1000 to 1500 to go off the menu for me.
[/QUOTE]Are you suggesting "good sex" costs 2500 and bad costs 1500? I don't quite get it. I guess you did not type BBFS, since they would not understand, presumeably you typed "sex with No condom" or something similar?

Are you also suggesting they agree to no condom when typed but not when requested verbally, or when they are desperate, or just that reactions are very inconsistent?

I would be happy to take one of the skinny pretty deaf girls, but only for "good sex" of course.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2307786]Big cock is a double edged sword. On one hand, sight of an above-average member can make a girl more horny. However, in SE Asia I found it surprisingly common that sex workers are dick-scared, get a bit apprehensive and expect it to be painful or unpleasant, which is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If she can't relax, it will indeed be less pleasant, physically as well as psychologically. Oddly, some guys get off giving the girl a proper pounding no matter what, but I don't.[/QUOTE]I agree with this in terms of big being a disadvantage. Making her more horny, sounds rather fanciful to me, excepting a small percentage of Thai girls that like big cock (probably have loose or large pussy). I have to really make sure my target girls prefer Farangs (and older ones), to make the probability she will be fun rather than anxious, greater.

I have taken the odd girl with zero Farang experience, and that proved quite risky. Mostly they were bad experiences, probably of the "dick-scared" type. I also find girls with babies already are less likely to be dick-scared, and therefore more fun on average for me. Always odd exceptions, but always the majority of my regular girls had babies already. Some girls with no baby were regulars for a while and then had a problem.

27 years ago, was much easier, because Farangs were the main customer base. So nearly all the working girls were well used to Farangs. That is my theory, although I take into account that I was younger and maybe more desirable, and that 27 years ago majority of girls were happy to have a good time. Plenty of bargirls claim they prefer older guys, but I don't know is true, other than older guys maybe have a better attitude, less selfish, more respectful, etc.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2308137]Are you suggesting "good sex" costs 2500 and bad costs 1500? I don't quite get it. I guess you did not type BBFS, since they would not understand, presumeably you typed "sex with No condom" or something similar?

Are you also suggesting they agree to no condom when typed but not when requested verbally, or when they are desperate, or just that reactions are very inconsistent?

I would be happy to take one of the skinny pretty deaf girls, but only for "good sex" of course.[/QUOTE]The girl showed me something like "sex for money, 1500" already written in pencil on her writing pad (she was not using her phone for some reason). I wrote back on Google Translate, "Good sex? No condom?" And that is when she immediately flipped the page on her pocket sized writing pad and wtote, in pencil, "2500". I chuckled, nodded and said, verbally, "ok". Off we went by taxi to my room. Later I discovered I should have added "kissing with tongues touching" or whatever since one of the big turn offs back in the room was her refusal to engage in DFK of any kind, to any degree, no way, no how.

Now, when I walk by that same girl she often will reach out to me, point to her mouth, smile and nod as if to assure me that if I take her again she will comply. But our big moment has passed for me. Not interested. I assume she realizes that 2500 I paid her before for doing so little would come in handy again. But it won't be coming from me.

The other girl used her phone and it was about as direct. I did not mention kissing with tongues then either but she had already seemed a bit warmer and affectionate on the street so I did not worry about that so much. It turned out better. But still not worth repeating for me.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2308148]The girl showed me something like "sex for money, 1500" already written in pencil on her writing pad (she was not using her phone for some reason). I wrote back on Google Translate, "Good sex? No condom?" And that is when she immediately flipped the page on her pocket sized writing pad and wtote, in pencil, "2500". I chuckled, nodded and said, verbally, "ok". Off we went by taxi to my room. Later I discovered I should have added "kissing with tongues touching" or whatever since one of the big turn offs back in the room was her refusal to engage in DFK of any kind, to any degree, no way, no how.
[/QUOTE]Aha. Now it makes good sense. Before you told it a bit strangely, at least I lacked intuition to understand..

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2308154]Aha. Now it makes good sense. Before you told it a bit strangely, at least I lacked intuition to understand..[/QUOTE]Yes, sorry if my way of saying it here misled. Unless it is a girl working in a MP where the menu refers to it that way, I never use the terms we use here like BBFS, CIM or BBBJ. If course, there is no such thing as a MP menu or any other venue menu in Thailand stating that BBFS is on offer anyway. I wish. LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2308154]Aha. Now it makes good sense. Before you told it a bit strangely, at least I lacked intuition to understand..[/QUOTE]Go online and learn to sign. They, the deft Ladies will most likely do anything for the 1500. And they will like you and the sex will be "good sex". 555.

RL.

Threesome was in my to-do list for Bangkok for a long time.

I haven't tried Eden for my own reasons, and one threesome I planned last month (mentioned it in previous FRs) never came to frutitions for some reasons.

So, couple of days back, I got a ping on Wechat from Vietnamese girl. After exchanging couple of messages, she straight asked for sex, and quoted 3000 one shot, 5000 with her friend. I asked we will talk on Friday. She agreed.

I saw her pics, and looked good. It's been a while I tasted a viet, so I messaged her on Friday. I confirmed couple of services like BBBJ and massage, and asked again for price. This time she said 2,000 for one and 3,000 with her friend. LOL.

I said no, and quoted 2,000 for both. She agreed ROFL.

Clearly these two here are for Sonkran, and trying to make quick money.

They came on time, there clothes were wet as they were coming after playing whatever they were doing before.

Once in room, asked them to took a shower, didn't joined. They came from bathroom, with nothing, and both had good sized boobs and butt. One of them told her age 26, other said 22. Doesn't really matter, both looked young enough.

Act was mechanical as it goes, one was kissing my chest, other was lacking my balls and giving BBBJ. After that, they put the rubber and started wot. After that I took the condom off, and put a new one and banged the other one in miss. They hesitated for this, changing girl, but I was firm enough to get what I wanted. I came in wot with second girl.

I have added the pictures of both.

Annoying part was they kept talking nonsense in their language in-between. Other than that it was fine.

WIR. No.

If you want to meet them, I am happy to share their Wechat ID. I don't think service wise, they are that good, but if you are feeling a urge for threesome, then why not.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2308237]Go online and learn to sign. They, the deft Ladies will most likely do anything for the 1500. And they will like you and the sex will be "good sex". 555.

RL.[/QUOTE]One of these girls may just be the prettiest hooker in Thailand, and probably the biggest ***** also.

She runs the crew, I asked for BBFS at a reasonable rate, and was banished, she would never speak to me or ever look at me again.

She turned the whole group against me.

Learning sign seems like one of the most desperate monger moves, I could imagine, not for these girls at least.

I would say move on to lower hanging fruit, but this isn't even fruit.

They are using their deafness to hustle naive mongers.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2306775]Good? With all 3 inches of rock hard butt punisher?[/QUOTE]I've seen videos of Thai LBs with rock hard 9 inches. If the LBs are toting that what are the normal Thai blokes hanging? The 3 inches may just be a myth or wishful thinking on some farangs' part.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2308345]I've seen videos of Thai LBs with rock hard 9 inches. If the LBs are toting that what are the normal Thai blokes hanging? The 3 inches may just be a myth or wishful thinking on some farangs' part.[/QUOTE]You always have outliers. Plenty of studies out there on pecker size. Last one I saw, Thais ranked pretty poorly. 2nd to last. I believe Koreans were last. Biggest average farangs were the French. Of course Africa was the largest. So no, it's not a myth.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2308289]One of these girls may just be the prettiest hooker in Thailand, and probably the biggest ***** also.

She runs the crew, I asked for BBFS at a reasonable rate, and was banished, she would never speak to me or ever look at me again.

She turned the whole group against me.

Learning sign seems like one of the most desperate monger moves, I could imagine, not for these girls at least.

I would say move on to lower hanging fruit, but this isn't even fruit.

They are using their deafness to hustle naive mongers.[/QUOTE]You didn't mentioned how much you offered her? You must have offended her with a rate she didn't like or she disliked you for some reason. Could be she has PMS. My first marriage was to a gal that had sever PMS, throw things one moment, cry the next.

I also disagree that learning any language is desperate. Sign is a language and as you know communication in any form is better if two parties can understand each other. It is also an easy language to learn, helps if you have a friend that can sign to work with.

On another point, I'm in Patong Beach for Songkran. From talking to others that travel, this is by far the best festival in Thailand in Patong beach. But massage shops were closed and the bar girls were not interested in anything but playing with water. Maybe they reopened at night, but I retired early.

RL.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2308289]One of these girls may just be the prettiest hooker in Thailand, and probably the biggest ***** also.

She runs the crew, I asked for BBFS at a reasonable rate, and was banished, she would never speak to me or ever look at me again.

She turned the whole group against me.

Learning sign seems like one of the most desperate monger moves, I could imagine, not for these girls at least.

I would say move on to lower hanging fruit, but this isn't even fruit.

They are using their deafness to hustle naive mongers.[/QUOTE]There is lately a second very pretty one who shows up every now and then. The prettiest one, possibly the one you are talking about and perhaps referenced by Syzygies a while back has gone missing for the past several weeks. Maybe she decided this work was not for her. Or she got a sponsor. I like to think the other girls pushed her out of the scene or at least off their turf because they actually did not appreciate her taking on the role of self-designated Protector and Decider in Chief for who is or isn't a worthy customer, causing good money for very little effort to walk away and never come back. LOL.

As I said, the newer pretty one does not show up very often. From the bars across Soi 4 from their station, I have seen guys stand there with her and the other girls, including the two I have taken, for as long as 10-15 minutes going back and forth typing out and reading negotiation messages from the girls. Most of the time they do not come to an agreement and the punter will give up and walk away. Or the girl will turn away looking very annoyed.

I'm talking about often cleancut, fit, 30-something year old guys. Sometimes the guys will know how to sign! Yet the negotiations will go on and on for a very long time and more often than not end in a stalemate. No deal.

I am mystified over what they could possibly be haggling over that means so much to the punter and cannot be agreed to by the girl. Bareback anal? Threesome with her, him and an unknown sexually ambiguous hulk back in his room? LT for 500 baht? Sado-masochistic rituals?

Whatever it is it must be much dearer to each side than my relatively commonplace requirement of either boom boom no condom or a bareback blowjob with a decent CIM finish for the going rate or a nice uptick more than that.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2308411]You didn't mentioned how much you offered her? You must have offended her with a rate she didn't like or she disliked you for some reason. Could be she has PMS. My first marriage was to a gal that had sever PMS, throw things one moment, cry the next.

I also disagree that learning any language is desperate. Sign is a language and as you know communication in any form is better if two parties can understand each other. It is also an easy language to learn, helps if you have a friend that can sign to work with.

On another point, I'm in Patong Beach for Songkran. From talking to others that travel, this is by far the best festival in Thailand in Patong beach. But massage shops were closed and the bar girls were not interested in anything but playing with water. Maybe they reopened at night, but I retired early.

RL.[/QUOTE]What was my offer? I can't say I remember exactly, that was several thousand hooker conversations ago LOL.

But I did want to session with her, so I was focused on getting an agreement of service 1st, I save price for last.

But I don't remember getting to price, I just vaguely remember her being one of those girls that instantly know what you want.

Oh you want "real" sex, you're fucking crazy!! Get away from me, stay away from him!

Regarding PMs, everyone of my longtime american girlfriends have agreed, not my words but theirs.

PMs does not exist, its bullshit, its a made-up excuse for a ***** to be a *****.

And not all of these girls were always the sweetest, but they liked to call bullshit on bullshit!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2308412]There is lately a second very pretty one who shows up every now and then. The prettiest one, possibly the one you are talking about and perhaps referenced by Syzygies a while back has gone missing for the past several weeks. Maybe she decided this work was not for her. Or she got a sponsor. I like to think the other girls pushed her out of the scene or at least off their turf because they actually did not appreciate her taking on the role of self-designated Protector and Decider in Chief for who is or isn't a worthy customer, causing good money for very little effort to walk away and never come back. LOL.

As I said, the newer pretty one does not show up very often. From the bars across Soi 4 from their station, I have seen guys stand there with her and the other girls, including the two I have taken, for as long as 10-15 minutes going back and forth typing out and reading negotiation messages from the girls. Most of the time they do not come to an agreement and the punter will give up and walk away. Or the girl will turn away looking very annoyed.

I'm talking about often cleancut, fit, 30-something year old guys. Sometimes the guys will know how to sign! Yet the negotiations will go on and on for a very long time and more often than not end in a stalemate. No deal.

I am mystified over what they could possibly be haggling over that means so much to the punter and cannot be agreed to by the girl. Bareback anal? Threesome with her, him and an unknown sexually ambiguous hulk back in his room? LT for 500 baht? Sado-masochistic rituals?

Whatever it is it must be much dearer to each side than my relatively commonplace requirement of either boom boom no condom or a bareback blowjob with a decent CIM finish for the going rate or a nice uptick more than that.[/QUOTE]I hate to pay her a compliment, but she was easily a 10, thin body no visible tattoos, 18 yo, very very pretty blondish hair / expensive cut, very nice clothes.

She would be a gem / a 10 in any country, certainly hotter than anything inside Nana or the rest of soi 4 or the Sukumvit area.

I refer to her kind as "money for nothing" girls, extremely low yield providers that know their target demographic very well, and know.

Just as well I as I do, I'm not it!

They have many girls like her standing outside Cebuana on fields in Angeles, while not as pretty as her.

They are as bitchy if not more so, similar story, "low yield providers" they know their target victims very well.

As soon as a guy like me comes along asks for a, B, or C.

They start yelling wtf, what do you think I am? A prostitute.

But they will take some guys for 2000/3000/4000.

I have been quoted those prices, don't expect much, but they are the prettiest girls in Angeles, why aren't they working in the bars LOL.

Because the bars require them to actually do what they agree to (just 3rd world street level con artists / albeit pretty ones).

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2308401]You always have outliers. Plenty of studies out there on pecker size. Last one I saw, Thais ranked pretty poorly. 2nd to last. I believe Koreans were last. Biggest average farangs were the French. Of course Africa was the largest. So no, it's not a myth.[/QUOTE]Funny topic.

Do you want to see some big dicks (rhetorical) I think I do OK! I can even post a photo to back up my words with proof its me, we all have camera phones and internet connections.

But I digress, (full disclosure I'm German) but go to FKK and you will see some of the biggest dicks ever, dudes laying around on the lounge chairs, with shit hanging damn near their knees flaccid LOL.

I'm like wtf LOL I've seen plenty of dicks over the years, showers in school / work / health club / Russian saunas, I will say Germans, are over achieving in this area, sure the guys 12" long are sure to advertise more in the pool and aufguss etc.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2308411]You didn't mentioned how much you offered her? You must have offended her with a rate she didn't like or she disliked you for some reason. Could be she has PMS. My first marriage was to a gal that had sever PMS, throw things one moment, cry the next.

I also disagree that learning any language is desperate. Sign is a language and as you know communication in any form is better if two parties can understand each other. It is also an easy language to learn, helps if you have a friend that can sign to work with.

On another point, I'm in Patong Beach for Songkran. From talking to others that travel, this is by far the best festival in Thailand in Patong beach. But massage shops were closed and the bar girls were not interested in anything but playing with water. Maybe they reopened at night, but I retired early.

RL.[/QUOTE]Like I posted I don't think we even discussed rate.

But I'm curious what would make you subscribe to a theory such as a rate to low to cause offense?

If in a price negotiation, are you suggesting I start high? Please elaborate.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2308412]I am mystified over what they could possibly be haggling over that means so much to the punter and cannot be agreed to by the girl.[/QUOTE]Reminds me when there was a lot of Sukhumvit street vendors in Nana. There was a contingent of deaf vendors who were quite aggressive and steadfast with their price negotiations. They would use a calculator to identify their inflated asking price, and got indignant when you offered anywhere close to the market price.

I was with a deaf window lady a few times in Amsterdam. The memorable part for me was being able to talk a bunch of dirty smack while doing the deeds.

SL.

I posted this one on Trans thread, but thought should share the link here too.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2657-Identifying-Transvestites&p=2308850&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2308850.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2308875]I posted this one on Trans thread, but thought should share the link here too.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2657-Identifying-Transvestites&p=2308850&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2308850.[/QUOTE]Obsessed? Get a life and read forum rules.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2308437]I hate to pay her a compliment, but she was easily a 10, thin body no visible tattoos, 18 yo, very very pretty blondish hair / expensive cut, very nice clothes.

She would be a gem / a 10 in any country, certainly hotter than anything inside Nana or the rest of soi 4 or the Sukumvit area.
[/QUOTE]I already wrote that one night I saw an extremely pretty skinny deaf girl there, hot ass shape (not big but nice), and I could not leave it alone, but she shook her head no before we got to any type of negotiation as she was trying to push me onto her friend instead who was very second rate, in comparison for looks. Perhaps the pretty one did not want to take all of the business and was trying to share with her friends.

If we had reached a negotiation it is unlikely I would have refused her, she was just so good looking.

I would certainly try again if she returns some evening. Unfortunately I am not there very often. I have other possible girl on the Soi too, who also is not easy to find always. I hate going there and coming up empty handed but I don't want to take any old girl there, either.

I am surprised that many guys fail with negotiations too. I don't know if the reason is the amount the guy wants to pay, or the girl does not kiss, or does not accept Daty, or what is the problem. however I did have a poor success rate in terms of girls willing to make it fun. Many seemed to be looking for 30 min quickie which is not my style at all. I am willing to pay more for a better experience.

One girl there complained to me that I wanted too long for the session, despite paying her well above the going rate. Ha ha. So I dropped her. Her body wasn't in top condition anyway. If she was as pretty as the deaf girl, I would still be doing her all the time, despite her complaints. For me, a stunner that can make a good time, is worth more money.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2308443]Like I posted I don't think we even discussed rate.

But I'm curious what would make you subscribe to a theory such as a rate to low to cause offense?

If in a price negotiation, are you suggesting I start high? Please elaborate.[/QUOTE]The only thing I can think of that would get an FL as upset as you say, is a very low starting offer. Unless you offended her in another way. That is way I backed up my assumption with the PMS stick. That supports you in a maybe you didn't deserve the rudeness that she shot back at you.

I would never suggest starting at higher offer unless you were joking and didn't want her anyway.

RL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2308931]I already wrote that one night I saw an extremely pretty skinny deaf girl there, hot ass shape (not big but nice), and I could not leave it alone, but she shook her head no before we got to any type of negotiation as she was trying to push me onto her friend instead who was very second rate, in comparison for looks. Perhaps the pretty one did not want to take all of the business and was trying to share with her friends.

If we had reached a negotiation it is unlikely I would have refused her, she was just so good looking.

I would certainly try again if she returns some evening. Unfortunately I am not there very often. I have other possible girl on the Soi too, who also is not easy to find always. I hate going there and coming up empty handed but I don't want to take any old girl there, either..[/QUOTE]She was one of the prettiest hookers I've ever seen, if not thee prettiest (I've seen 1000's).

Perfect in every physical way.

Very white skin, blonde hair, amazing body (expensive haircut, flawlessly dressed).

Everything but a personality, I don't like to ever ever pay sticker price but I'm sure I would have.

If she would agreed to my basics, BBFS, good BJ!

I can't remember what happened, but I'm guessing she flipped out as soon as I mentioned BBFS.

I would not want her for any price with a condom, I rather hit pornhub for free like someone posted the other day.

My hand feels better than a condom.

And its free!

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2308940]The only thing I can think of that would get an FL as upset as you say, is a very low starting offer. Unless you offended her in another way. That is way I backed up my assumption with the PMS stick. That supports you in a maybe you didn't deserve the rudeness that she shot back at you.

I would never suggest starting at higher offer unless you were joking and didn't want her anyway.

RL.[/QUOTE]Oh, I can assure you that we punters whose goal includes getting an upfront agreement to engage in no condom, bareback boom boom, BBFS, BBFS+CIP or whatever anyone wants to call it and for any amount of money in Thailand WILL on occasion get every kind of outrage, upset, shocked, explosive reaction imaginable to the propsition. And it does not matter how descretely, calmly, respectfully and politely you ask for or request it.

Not every time or most of the time. But it does happen on occasion. It is a normal hazard of the game. And, as a "game", I believe requiring an upfront agreement for bareback, real sex in Thailand is so far away from the kind of game most other punters are playing it must be recognized as being on a different playing field with different rules and an entirely.different scoring system.

I am talking about getting the agreement for it upfront and with at least above average looking girls. That is not to be confused with getting BBFS as a nice surprise in the room while "going with the flow" or getting an upfront agreement for it with obviously desperate and needy souls who can not afford to say no to anyone for almost anything.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2309004]Oh, I can assure you that we punters whose goal includes getting an upfront agreement to engage in no condom, bareback boom boom, BBFS, BBFS+CIP or whatever anyone wants to call it and for any amount of money in Thailand WILL on occasion get every kind of outrage, upset, shocked, explosive reaction imaginable to the propsition. And it does not matter how descretely, calmly, respectfully and politely you ask for or request it.

Not every time or most of the time. But it does happen on occasion. It is a normal hazard of the game. And, as a "game", I believe requiring an upfront agreement for bareback, real sex in Thailand is so far away from the kind of game most other punters are playing it must be recognized as being on a different playing field with different rules and an entirely.different scoring system.

I am talking about getting the agreement for it upfront and with at least above average looking girls. That is not to be confused with getting BBFS as a nice surprise in the room while "going with the flow" or getting an upfront agreement for it with obviously desperate and needy souls who can not afford to say no to anyone for almost anything.[/QUOTE]Considering most punters are demanding less and less from the gals and paying more for the privilege, I'm sure some of them are absolutely gob-smacked when you ask for BBFS. 20 years ago I found that most gals were very receptive to it, especially on the second or subsequent "dates. " I myself rarely indulge, just don't want to risk a prostate infection.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309025]Considering most punters are demanding less and less from the gals and paying more for the privilege, I'm sure some of them are absolutely gob-smacked when you ask for BBFS. 20 years ago I found that most gals were very receptive to it, especially on the second or subsequent "dates. " I myself rarely indulge, just don't want to risk a prostate infection.[/QUOTE]They just act like they are pissed because they want it to keep going in the direction you point out.

More and more $$$ less and less effort then somebody like me comes along and asks for "real sex" and.

They are like hold on motherfucker, things are going in a direction we happen to like, we don't.

Need you pulling things back in the direction of pleasing the monger for a reasonable rate.

So they will yell "You want what" to try and shame me, for asking or embarrass me, and to discourage me from asking, not this cat!

I will walk 2 feet and ask the next pretty girl I see, I don't let them run shit.

If there's a place where they have to much say, ala FKKland, I will avoid it.

Those bitches have too many easy mongers lining up for them.

My opinion is that sex with a condom is not sex.

Its like virtual reality porn, its an illusion of sex.

Jacking off to porn is closer to real sex.

Than is having sex with a condom.

Lets not even discuss those getting BJs with condoms (and paying for that LOL).

Sex in a pussy mouth or ass with a condom is not sex.

Its just an expensive simulation.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309025]Considering most punters are demanding less and less from the gals and paying more for the privilege, I'm sure some of them are absolutely gob-smacked when you ask for BBFS. 20 years ago I found that most gals were very receptive to it, especially on the second or subsequent "dates. " I myself rarely indulge, just don't want to risk a prostate infection.[/QUOTE]Of course, many girls are so used to the request their automatic response is EITHER their oft repeated way of saying "NO" while other girls' automatic response is the oft repeated "How much you pay me?" Occasionally I will get an immediate nod, smile and an "ok" as though they'd been wondering why so few customers ever asked.

But, you are right that quite a few Thai P4P girls are stunned to encounter a punter who wants (or needs) such a thing enough to actually request it upfront. I will sometimes negotiate upfront for either BBFS or, if that is not up for consideration, a BBBJ+CIM. And it is not uncommon for many Thai P4P girls to say no to both with the greater shock and outrage reserved for the BBBJ+CIM part of it.

You see, they get that request so rarely they are convinced only Ladyboys ever do it! LOL. And they will say so right to your face.

The other night, I met a girl at Thermae to pretty much changed my perception about some of these Thai freelancers. I was first turned down by a hottie who was standing in the smoking area next to the wash sink in the back. She has been reviewed on here before and told me "no" that I was not her type. I went back inside and sat in the center island space so I could watch the bars. Plenty of Asian customers walking around. It seems that the cuter and prettier girls preferred the younger Asian males as my Westerner comrades were having not much luck. The very few Indians and Arab customers were worse off. I saw many Westerners having to settle for 3 and 4th tier girls after repeated "no's. " I saw one hottie, a 10 in my book, actually reject a lot of Asians, so I thought maybe she preferred Westerners. I approach her and asked if that is the case. She told me that she was not cheap and won't go for anything less than 5,000 but only 2 hours. I took her up on her offer because I thought she was sexy. Back in the room, her service was rushed and non GFE. No kissing and covered everything. When we were done, she gave me her LINE in case I wanted to meet the next day. She said it would only be 4,000 during day time. Looking through her LINE photos, I think those poor uneducated Isaan girls know what they are doing.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2309077]Of course, many girls are so used to the request their automatic response is EITHER their oft repeated way of saying "NO" while other girls' automatic response is the oft repeated "How much you pay me?" Occasionally I will get an immediate nod, smile and an "ok" as though they'd been wondering why so few customers ever asked.

But, you are right that quite a few Thai P4P girls are stunned to encounter a punter who wants (or needs) such a thing enough to actually request it upfront. I will sometimes negotiate upfront for either BBFS or, if that is not up for consideration, a BBBJ+CIM. And it is not uncommon for many Thai P4P girls to say no to both with the greater shock and outrage reserved for the BBBJ+CIM part of it.

You see, they get that request so rarely they are convinced only Ladyboys ever do it! LOL. And they will say so right to your face.[/QUOTE]In my own limited experience, I either get the nod, smile and OK (that has happened a bunch of times with bargirls and once with a Thermae girl (true freelancer, have never seen her there since only comes on an an occasional weekend) or will get ""cannot", but I've never encountered true outrage (perhaps sample size is too small, I defer to Mr. Tooms for sure) (several "regular" Thermae girls definitely wrinkled their noses in a definitive "no" to that inquiry). (strange, I can't remember the last time I got the "how much you pay me" line)

I don't even encounter outrage when I inquire about the back door, but that's when the ladyboy jokes / comments often do occur.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2309004]we punters whose goal includes getting an upfront agreement to engage in no condom, bareback boom boom, BBFS, BBFS+CIP or whatever anyone wants to call it[/QUOTE]I'm surprised it's that difficult for guys to get BBFS if you are a regular to certain bars. Let's take a gogo bar for instance since that is what I am the most familiar with. Even if you are an infrequent visitor attending 2-3 times per month all it would take is asking a handful of girls for BBFS and word will quickly get around to every gogo girl in the bar you are seeking BBFS. This will separate the girls who are disgusted you want sex without a condom and attract the girls who have BBFS in their arsenal to come talk to you. Girls talk no different than customers and likely even more so.
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Same applies on whether you are a good John or a bad one. A good tipper or a Cheap Charlie. A guy who buys lady drinks and barfines girls or a time waster who wants a girl to sit with them and doesn't buy a lady drink. A guy who has a small peepee or a 10" German sausage. A guy who cums in 3 minutes or a guy who needs to jackhammer a girl all night long. A guy quickly gets a reputation good or bad in each bar.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2309086]The other night, I met a girl at Thermae to pretty much changed my perception about some of these Thai freelancers. I was first turned down by a hottie who was standing in the smoking area next to the wash sink in the back. She has been reviewed on here before and told me "no" that I was not her type. I went back inside and sat in the center island space so I could watch the bars. Plenty of Asian customers walking around. It seems that the cuter and prettier girls preferred the younger Asian males as my Westerner comrades were having not much luck. The very few Indians and Arab customers were worse off. I saw many Westerners having to settle for 3 and 4th tier girls after repeated "no's. " I saw one hottie, a 10 in my book, actually reject a lot of Asians, so I thought maybe she preferred Westerners. I approach her and asked if that is the case. She told me that she was not cheap and won't go for anything less than 5,000 but only 2 hours. I took her up on her offer because I thought she was sexy. Back in the room, her service was rushed and non GFE. No kissing and covered everything. When we were done, she gave me her LINE in case I wanted to meet the next day. She said it would only be 4,000 during day time. Looking through her LINE photos, I think those poor uneducated Isaan girls know what they are doing.[/QUOTE]Did you pay her the 5 k? The minute you saw it was not going to be satisfactory, call it off, give her a few hundred baht, and show her the door. Let her know this type of service is not ok. It's not about the gals, it's about the punters. As long as dudes accept poor service and pay for it, this will continue. If she doesn't deliver, don't pay her the agreed upon price. If you do, then there's one gal whose ruined.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2309156]I'm surprised it's that difficult for guys to get BBFS if you are a regular to certain bars. Let's take a gogo bar for instance since that is what I am the most familiar with. Even if you are an infrequent visitor attending 2-3 times per month all it would take is asking a handful of girls for BBFS and word will quickly get around to every gogo girl in the bar you are seeking BBFS. This will separate the girls who are disgusted you want sex without a condom and attract the girls who have BBFS in their arsenal to come talk to you. Girls talk no different than customers and likely even more so.
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Same applies on whether you are a good John or a bad one. A good tipper or a Cheap Charlie. A guy who buys lady drinks and barfines girls or a time waster who wants a girl to sit with them and doesn't buy a lady drink. A guy who has a small peepee or a 10" German sausage. A guy who cums in 3 minutes or a guy who needs to jackhammer a girl all night long. A guy quickly gets a reputation good or bad in each bar.[/QUOTE]I don't think gals at a bar want the other gals to know they are "skinning it. " Kind of like the original Asian only gals 15 years ago in Thermae who liked a little white pecker every once in a while. They'd go with you but would meet you outside. One even said she didn't want her friends to know. I'm sure BBFS is even more so.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309215]I don't think gals at a bar want the other gals to know they are "skinning it. "[/QUOTE]I meant if a guy asks a girl who is opposed to BBFS that girl will tell other girls in her circle not to waste time with that guy. In a tight knit gogo bar that circle soon becomes the entire bar making the guy a castoff in the bar.

Goats, not sure if you have been to Thermae recently but I was and quite a few Farang there now.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2309223]I meant if a guy asks a girl who is opposed to BBFS that girl will tell other girls in her circle not to waste time with that guy. In a tight knit gogo bar that circle soon becomes the entire bar making the guy a castoff in the bar.

Goats, not sure if you have been to Thermae recently but I was there the other night and quite a few Farang there now. FYI, line up a bit down but I assume that is because they're all partying over Songkran.[/QUOTE]I did a girl there recently, BBFS 2300, horrible session.

She sits by the front door on the chairs of the island.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309215]I don't think gals at a bar want the other gals to know they are "skinning it. " Kind of like the original Asian only gals 15 years ago in Thermae who liked a little white pecker every once in a while. They'd go with you but would meet you outside. One even said she didn't want her friends to know. I'm sure BBFS is even more so.[/QUOTE]Yes some girls will say they would not dream of BBFS when with their peer group. Still may do it secretly. A guy could still get the gossip spread around by girls refusing BBFS that he only goes for BBFS.

Girls in the bar where I was a regular generally say they know all about me, sometimes the stories were exaggerated. Some girls avoided me for a long while, and finally changed their minds that I was a desirable customer after all. A very popular girl at Suzie Wong was like that. Avoided me for at least a year, and finally one day comes to me, and I am like "what the fuck?" She finally decided I was a maybe a nice guy after all, despite being a big butterfly and doing a few different girls there. She maybe did not like how I often took two girls with me, as well. She became a regular but did not do threesomes. Most likely the most important thing was not getting a reputation for being "Cheap Charlie".

Not unusual for a girl to comment to me after a session that I was not as bad as what the stories made out.

I never got a reputation asking for BBFS, since I never asked for that as a pre-requisite to a session. I was known for longer duration sex sessions at least, but compensation was fair to good.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2309233]Yes some girls will say they would not dream of BBFS when with their peer group. Still may do it secretly. A guy could still get the gossip spread around by girls refusing BBFS that he only goes for BBFS.

Girls in the bar where I was a regular generally say they know all about me, sometimes the stories were exaggerated. Some girls avoided me for a long while, and finally changed their minds that I was a desirable customer after all. A very popular girl at Suzie Wong was like that. Avoided me for at least a year, and finally one day comes to me, and I am like "what the fuck?" She finally decided I was a maybe a nice guy after all, despite being a big butterfly and doing a few different girls there. She maybe did not like how I often took two girls with me, as well. She became a regular but did not do threesomes. Most likely the most important thing was not getting a reputation for being "Cheap Charlie".

Not unusual for a girl to comment to me after a session that I was not as bad as what the stories made out.

I never got a reputation asking for BBFS, since I never asked for that as a pre-requisite to a session. I was known for longer duration sex sessions at least, but compensation was fair to good.[/QUOTE]Once they speak with me? Its a different story LOL.

Same thing with price, hookers try to collude against us.

But most hookers will undercut their co-workers the 1st chance they get.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2309050]They just act like they are pissed because they want it to keep going in the direction you point out.

More and more $$$ less and less effort then somebody like me comes along and asks for "real sex" and.

They are like hold on motherfucker, things are going in a direction we happen to like, we don't.

Need you pulling things back in the direction of pleasing the monger for a reasonable rate.

So they will yell "You want what" to try and shame me, for asking or embarrass me, and to discourage me from asking, not this cat!

I will walk 2 feet and ask the next pretty girl I see, I don't let them run shit.

If there's a place where they have to much say, ala FKKland, I will avoid it.

Those bitches have too many easy mongers lining up for them.

My opinion is that sex with a condom is not sex.

Its like virtual reality porn, its an illusion of sex.

Jacking off to porn is closer to real sex.

Than is having sex with a condom.

Lets not even discuss those getting BJs with condoms (and paying for that LOL).

Sex in a pussy mouth or ass with a condom is not sex.

Its just an expensive simulation.[/QUOTE]It's like the taxi driver that insists on the Toll from the airport. It's a win situation for him, and a cost to us. He gets the job completed faster and you pay the toll.

Sex with a condom is terrible, no feeling and so mechanical that it's a joke on us. I have one GF that gives great sex uncovered except for the vag, then she makes me suit up. She gives great BBBJ and CIM no problem, but can't get in that pussy BB. But she is wild and active, kisses and bites and is great fun to have sex with. And only 1500 THB.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2309240]It's like the taxi driver that insists on the Toll from the airport. It's a win situation for him, and a cost to us. He gets the job completed faster and you pay the toll.

Sex with a condom is terrible, no feeling and so mechanical that it's a joke on us. I have one GF that gives great sex uncovered except for the vag, then she makes me suit up. She gives great BBBJ and CIM no problem, but can't get in that pussy BB. But she is wild and active, kisses and bites and is great fun to have sex with. And only 1500 THB.

RL.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing condoms helped with birth control and disease.

But have outlived their usefulness. At least for me.

I look at many things thru a political lens.

Circa 2019 I look at condoms as a quasi feminist plot.

To disincentive mongering (among other motives), by making it so much less pleasurable.

And "empowering" for women (if you still insist), they can steal men's money like the guy that just paid 5000.

In therme for a CBJ, and laugh all the way to icon Siam!

I remember reading about aids in maybe 1980-1981.

And quality of life went really down hill for men, I heard about the free love of the 60's (it was depressing).

Well aids is almost "cured" 2019.

Hookers can't make us use condoms, their con only works if you go along and pay 5000 for a shitty CBJ.

Just say no!

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2309240]It's like the taxi driver that insists on the Toll from the airport. It's a win situation for him, and a cost to us. He gets the job completed faster and you pay the toll.

Sex with a condom is terrible, no feeling and so mechanical that it's a joke on us. I have one GF that gives great sex uncovered except for the vag, then she makes me suit up. She gives great BBBJ and CIM no problem, but can't get in that pussy BB. But she is wild and active, kisses and bites and is great fun to have sex with. And only 1500 THB.

RL.[/QUOTE]To the Czar and you.

Arguing the virtues of BB and non BB should not be here, ideally. Maybe the safe sex thread. These types of posts are too provocative to the "hell and brim-fire" types of posters, who are very religiously against BB.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2309156]I'm surprised it's that difficult for guys to get BBFS if you are a regular to certain bars. Let's take a gogo bar for instance since that is what I am the most familiar with. Even if you are an infrequent visitor attending 2-3 times per month all it would take is asking a handful of girls for BBFS and word will quickly get around to every gogo girl in the bar you are seeking BBFS. This will separate the girls who are disgusted you want sex without a condom and attract the girls who have BBFS in their arsenal to come talk to you. Girls talk no different than customers and likely even more so.
[/QUOTE]From my experience it is easier to get it with girls in bars where you have a history of asking for it upfront and paying fairly for it after you get it.

But you will never really know if the reason you continue to get it from (new to you) girls in that bar is because they talk amongst themselves about it and have decided doing it with you is fine (the most doubtful conclusion, imo, per Goatscrot's comment), because the girls have seen you take other girls who seem happy enough to have been taken by you to lobby openly to be taken by you again, because you are so comfortable in your way of asking for it in that bar due to prior success that your game is working better for you, because that bar's "culture" was already geared toward girls competing with each other by earning their money by providing better results for their customers rather than a horrible opposite of that or some other reason.

If the "culture" in a bar or even among a half dozen girls standing in front of a hotel as established by a self-designated ring leader or two is that providing BBFS is a terrible forbidden sin only failed P4P girls would sink to agreeing to, then if you hit up one of those ring leaders for it early on and you are unlucky enough for her to turn to the others and make it known any of them who go with you is "failed", then it is going to be a greater challenge to pull from that group. So the "talk among themselves" concept is probably more likely to serve as a negative rather than a positive.

However, I must say I am generally ok with girls knowing that is what it will take to entice me to take one of them tonight. Something else that I do that might make a difference; My negotiation is very likely to be for EITHER a BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP. Yes, with the BBBJ+CIM mentioned first. So to a certain extent if the girls in a bar have chattered about me, they have no idea if the new girl leaving with me has agreed to a blowjob or a fuck my way. And the girl agreeing to leave with me would be aware of that as well.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2309223]I meant if a guy asks a girl who is opposed to BBFS that girl will tell other girls in her circle not to waste time with that guy. In a tight knit gogo bar that circle soon becomes the entire bar making the guy a castoff in the bar.

Goats, not sure if you have been to Thermae recently but I was and quite a few Farang there now.[/QUOTE]I've been in the last month. I like to pop in every now and then to say Hi to the waitstaff. Still dominated by Asians. We're the minority by far. Truthfully I find the current Thermae annoying and depressing, although it is amusing to see the dudes walking in circles. It fills me with nostalgia for when the place was a full on party every night. Gals were drinking, dancing, grabbing guys peckers, being forward, the way we western dudes like them. Now it's like a bad middle school dance. Unfortunately the culture of the place changed to suit Asian customer's tastes. Fine, they are the majority, but it doesn't work for me. In fact, I'll go this a bit farther. It seems to me that Asian and Western P4P styles are almost incompatible. What they want in a venue and from a gal is very different than what we want. Most of my group of friends want a gal who is sexually forward and aggressive. One who will approach you in a bar, grab you, tell you how much she wants your pecker, and how much she likes sex. One that is playing with you in the taxi on the way to the hotel and one that can't wait to get your pants around you ankles and your unit in their mouth as soon as the door closes. Thermae was full of these gals 20 years ago. I'd say at least 25% of the time we didn't make it to the shower till after the deed was done. But as Syz pointed out in reference to size, the gals were used to farangs as they were the main customers. With the influx of Asian guys, who I believe are turned off by that kind of behavior, the atmosphere has changed. I can't say I have ever seen a gal grab an Asian guys package and act forward with him. It's all the demure kind of shy girl next door act, which does zero for me, in fact will just kill my drive.

It's been years since I've taken a gal out of there. Shame as back in the early 00's I'd sometimes take 3 a week. At those prices you really didn't get as hung up on performance, although 90% of the time it was really good, as it was never more than 25 usd, many times 12.50.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2309050]They just act like they are pissed because they want it to keep going in the direction you point out.

More and more $$$ less and less effort then somebody like me comes along and asks for "real sex" and.

They are like hold on motherfucker, things are going in a direction we happen to like, we don't.

Need you pulling things back in the direction of pleasing the monger for a reasonable rate.

So they will yell "You want what" to try and shame me, for asking or embarrass me, and to discourage me from asking, not this cat!

... [/QUOTE]I agree with this. The dramatic response is more likely about promoting a cushier deal for them and intimidating customers who dare ask for something more or better for the money. If they were really worried about their health they wouldn't engage in a whole host of other activities more likely to cause more severe and lasting problems or get a nice safe job back in their province requiring longer hours for less money.

[QUOTE=Catire;2309113]In my own limited experience, I either get the nod, smile and OK (that has happened a bunch of times with bargirls and once with a Thermae girl (true freelancer, have never seen her there since only comes on an an occasional weekend) or will get ""cannot", but I've never encountered true outrage (perhaps sample size is too small, I defer to Mr. Tooms for sure) (several "regular" Thermae girls definitely wrinkled their noses in a definitive "no" to that inquiry). (strange, I can't remember the last time I got the "how much you pay me" line)

I don't even encounter outrage when I inquire about the back door, but that's when the ladyboy jokes / comments often do occur.[/QUOTE]In my case, it will depend on how much of an investment has been made on both sides. If I have been sitting with a girl in a go-go bar or beer bar, engaged in the usual chit-chat, joked with her, her with me and, especially, if I have bought her a LadyDrink or two before telling her what it would take for me to barfine her, she is not likely to act out a very dramatic response to say "no". She has already made some money "for nothing" from me with the LadyDrinks, gotten closer to reaching her LD quota for the month and so on. She might assume I'll be good for another LD or two next time around even if her answer then is still "no" (she is banking on the chance that I might think she will change her mind the next time. And she might) if she behaves politely about it now.

But in the cases where a girl who would certainly qualify for a romp has just plopped down in my lap and immediately says stuff like, "Take me with you" or "Barfine me", where a girl sitting outside a Massage Shop or a FL on the street (or in Thermae) reaches out to hook your arm and goes through the "I do everything for you" bit in order to supposedly convince you to pay her for sex, the first thing that ought to cross your mind is she is a stone cold bullshitter. LOL. The second thing that crosses my mind is, what the hell, I have not invested anything in this so far, she is cute or good looking enough to fuck, here is what it will take for me to say Yes to you now without further muss and fuss, honey.

That is when the bullshitter girl might put on just as big a show about the horrible, terrible, impossible to get with any Thai girl sex act from Satan you just requested as she did to convince you she was eager to "do everything" for you 20 seconds earlier. LOL. Or she might say Yes just as fast and we're off to the races back to my room. But with such a potential bullshitter, I will probably stress the meaning of the word "if" to make sure she understands there will not be this agreed upon payment unless she actually does what she says she will do right now.

Was in the area and planned on taking a side trip to Cambodia. I read a visa was needed so diverted to BKK instead.

L. O. L. I. T. a. S: always stop here when I'm in town. Picked a girl named Maw. This girl is a true craftsman at her chosen trade. She starts with giving the boys some attention. Deepthroat and moans as it grows in her mouth. One point she puts my hand on the back of her hand. Moans like crazy as I force her head down. Reminds me of the movie where the ladies clit was in the back of her throat. She couldn't cum unless she was deepthroat. BBBJCIM. Saw her 3 of my 4 days in BKK. Paid 800 on my way out. On 3rd visit I learn this place has been in business 20 years. They are open 9 am - 1 am. The greatest number of girls you will see there is at 5 pm - 6 pm, when the night crew arrives and before the day crew leaves. Maw tells me she's been there 4 years. Assuming she started at the legal age that puts her about 22 now. Looks younger to me.

Hillary 2: lady literally 69 years old (she told me her age) working in the bar trying to get a bar fine. Ummm, no. Any of you with a GILF fantasy this is the place for you. The girls was asking 2 k plus 500 baht bar fine. Beer 95 be lady drinks 170 be.

Beer garden: good hangout spot. Saw a bad ass 22 year old that wanted to go with me. I'd just finished so I didn't take her. Bought her a drink tho and she gave me the info. She said there is no bar fine and most of the girls there are going to want 2500 baht. Lady drinks cost the same as guy drinks. Good to watch the game or whatever. I went about 4 pm and it was 15-20 girls there.

Stumble inn: I didn't like the music and didn't stay long. 140 baht beer. 160 be lady drinks. 600 bar fine. The girl was asking 2 k.

SW: all over the place. The going rate is 1 k. A few asked for 1500. I say no and start to walk, they quickly switch to 1 k.

Sidewalk bars: later in the evening until the sunrise, there are little "bars" set up on the sidewalk on Sukhumvit. By bar I mean, a cooler with beers and drink mixers, plastic table / chairs and Pandora and a speaker. Walk down the street and almost all of the "bars" are going to have a girl or two trying to get you to stop and by from them. Of course, the girls are willing to go with you if you want. 100 be for the drink and 1 k for the girl. These spots work out good if the clubs close and you're not yet ready to call it a night.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309262]It seems to me that Asian and Western P4P styles are almost incompatible.[/QUOTE]And have been since the beginning of this scene. Back in the mid to late 90's I saw the occasional group of Japanese business men in The Go-Go's. I can't recall seeing many Asians at all at Thermae, however I did not go there many times, maybe 4 visits at the most. I can't recall any Mongers from India or Korea during that time either. Yep it surely is tailored towards more of an Asian market these days. As for your comments regarding those fun loving, aggressive little brown sex machines?

IMO sugar and Thaksin Shinawatra changed all that. IE: The girls got fatter and richer and somewhere during that period it appeared The Land of Smiles started to frown to Farangs. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309262]I've been in the last month. I like to pop in every now and then to say Hi to the waitstaff. Still dominated by Asians. We're the minority by far. Truthfully I find the current Thermae annoying and depressing, although it is amusing to see the dudes walking in circles. It fills me with nostalgia for when the place was a full on party every night. Gals were drinking, dancing, grabbing guys peckers, being forward, the way we western dudes like them. Now it's like a bad middle school dance. Unfortunately the culture of the place changed to suit Asian customer's tastes. Fine, they are the majority, but it doesn't work for me. In fact, I'll go this a bit farther. It seems to me that Asian and Western P4P styles are almost incompatible. What they want in a venue and from a gal is very different than what we want. Most of my group of friends want a gal who is sexually forward and aggressive. One who will approach you in a bar, grab you, tell you how much she wants your pecker, and how much she likes sex. One that is playing with you in the taxi on the way to the hotel and one that can't wait to get your pants around you ankles and your unit in their mouth as soon as the door closes. Thermae was full of these gals 20 years ago. I'd say at least 25% of the time we didn't make it to the shower till after the deed was done. But as Syz pointed out in reference to size, the gals were used to farangs as they were the main customers. With the influx of Asian guys, who I believe are turned off by that kind of behavior, the atmosphere has changed. I can't say I have ever seen a gal grab an Asian guys package and act forward with him. It's all the demure kind of shy girl next door act, which does zero for me, in fact will just kill my drive.

It's been years since I've taken a gal out of there. Shame as back in the early 00's I'd sometimes take 3 a week. At those prices you really didn't get as hung up on performance, although 90% of the time it was really good, as it was never more than 25 usd, many times 12.50.[/QUOTE]Agree 100% with this post. I think the culture and taste between Western and Asian men are so different that bars will split and develop to cater for either groups. I would not dream of setting my foot in Thermae. I see Youtube videos and I actually shrug from what I see. What is the fun in doing this parole with girls that just stand there like dolls? I have a very good Chinese business friend and he actually like the girl to be more forward, playful etc. So I have a feeling this attitude is mostly directed to Koreans and Japanese. Am I right? We see the same developments in bars like Rainbow 4; no interactions from the girls and the bar has mainly Asian customers. Baccara is another example of course. As Western naughty boys visiting numbers is declining, it is the opposite with Asian men. So I think we all know were this is heading. By all means; they should have the privilege of this market adjustment. It is just not for me. The Japanese "schoolgirl" fetish is just disgusting and childish IMO and I ask myself how the "doll" demure of Korean style can actually be fun? I am not racist in any way, but I am just concerned about how things develop in Bangkok these days.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2309304]
That is when the bullshitter girl might put on just as big a show about the horrible, terrible, impossible to get with any Thai girl sex act from Satan you just requested as she did to convince you she was eager to "do everything" for you 20 seconds earlier. LOL. Or she might say Yes just as fast and we're off to the races back to my room. But with such a potential bullshitter, I will probably stress the meaning of the word "if" to make sure she understands there will not be this agreed upon payment unless she actually does what she says she will do right now.[/QUOTE]I never believe a Thai girl when she says "everything" (as many of them do). The next simple trick is to ask about ass and the 'everything' immediately disappears, leaving you to chuckle and joke to the girl about everything not being everything. Just a sales pitch, nothing more and essentially meaningless.

Oh and agree 100% vis a vis culture and how it affected Thermae and how current setup can be very annoying and useless to most farang. (yes, it does feel like middle school dance!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309262]Most of my group of friends want a gal who is sexually forward and aggressive. One who will approach you in a bar, grab you, tell you how much she wants your pecker, and how much she likes sex. One that is playing with you in the taxi on the way to the hotel and one that can't wait to get your pants around you ankles and your unit in their mouth as soon as the door closes. Thermae was full of these gals 20 years ago. I'd say at least 25% of the time we didn't make it to the shower till after the deed was done.[/QUOTE]Quoting US dollars is a bit misleading because of the Thai Baht being very low at some stages in the past.

I am not sure that the Thermae was quite so raunchy in my times there which were early 90's, starting at the old Thermae location near to Miami Hotel. Probably I was not looking for really aggressive girls, more so pretty and passionate girls, with nice bodies, and sweet girls, but I did find them, and short times did not seem to exist in those days, the girls were always for the whole night, so never any rush rush. Mostly they could not speak English in those times or very little, so I was learning Thai from them. I recall mostly being disappointed to lose track of my early Thermae girls (like if I left Thailand or they left Bangkok), they were just that good, that I wanted to keep repeating. Kid in a candy shop.

In those days many Thermae girls were all natural, no surgeries, they were generally poor girls, could not afford surgeries, and usually had daytime normal jobs, like in clothing shops, Hotel cleaners, checkout chicks, waiting staff, etc. I rarely seemed to get the ones who moved from the bar to Thermae (due to no customer). Thermae got moving though when the other bars had reached closing time.

Went to Kiss Bangkok which is near the hotel Marriott. Its in a small lane where other massage parlours are also there, most of them are run by the same owner. Girls were not that great in the line up. I demanded for the girl shown on their website. She was not available. Was told to wait for her. She came in after 30 minutes. Though she looked 20 years older than that pic. Had shower with her which was in a small cubicle and she gave a good B2B massage. Then asked if I want BJ or HJ. I opted for HJ. Cummed in 10 minutes and she again gave a shower where we played with each other. Overall good experience.

Damages: 1000 bhat at counter as it was in offer.

No tips given to girl.

I know Soi 33 is somewhat dead these days, but still. What is the best bar in Soi 33 right now if you want to have a relaxing drink with some girl company?

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2309363]Agree 100% with this post. I think the culture and taste between Western and Asian men are so different that bars will split and develop to cater for either groups. I would not dream of setting my foot in Thermae. I see Youtube videos and I actually shrug from what I see. What is the fun in doing this parole with girls that just stand there like dolls? I have a very good Chinese business friend and he actually like the girl to be more forward, playful etc. So I have a feeling this attitude is mostly directed to Koreans and Japanese. Am I right? We see the same developments in bars like Rainbow 4; no interactions from the girls and the bar has mainly Asian customers. Baccara is another example of course. As Western naughty boys visiting numbers is declining, it is the opposite with Asian men. So I think we all know were this is heading. By all means; they should have the privilege of this market adjustment. It is just not for me. The Japanese "schoolgirl" fetish is just disgusting and childish IMO and I ask myself how the "doll" demure of Korean style can actually be fun? I am not racist in any way, but I am just concerned about how things develop in Bangkok these days.[/QUOTE]Cost is one thing. You expect prices to rise over time (albeit not to the ridiculous level we see now. FFS a dude on here was talking about paying 7 k for a couple of and jobs), but that being said the most disturbing aspect is the lack of fun associated with the scene in general. GoGos, Thermae, Discos, etc, the P4 P scene in BKK was one huge party 20 years ago. Now, it's just boring. Also other aspects of nightlife were far better as well.

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2309353] IMO sugar and Thaksin Shinawatra changed all that. IE: The girls got fatter and richer and somewhere during that period it appeared The Land of Smiles started to frown to Farangs. YMMV.[/QUOTE]The diet here certainly has changed. Thais are way fatter than they were 10 years ago. Fast food, 7-11, and yes, sugar. Diabetes rates are soaring as well. 5 to 10 kg extra on a Thai girl looks a lot worse than it does on a bigger western gal. In addition very few exercise regularly. I think there is still a stigma on girls who are fit. They think they look like ladyboys. Many of the gals who are thin here are what I call skinny fat. Thin yes, but zero muscle tone. I'm not a fan.

The first social order crackdown came under Thaksin. Purachai, the interior minister directed it. Started having [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] tests in bars, enforcing early closings, etc. Things loosened up a bit after 06's into the early 10's, but the crackdown was back in full force in '14. Bangkok used to ba a 24/7/365 town. People hanging out at street stalls all over the city drinking, eating, socializing, and having a good time after work. Areas like Thonglor were packed every night. There was a vibrant music scene as well. Early closings, high alcohol prices, copious road blocks, and an increasing cost of living combined with salaries that are not increasing at the same rate created a perfect storm to quash nightlife in my opinion. You just don't see locals out as much as you used to. Shame as it was a really rollicking place.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2309371]Quoting US dollars is a bit misleading because of the Thai Baht being very low at some stages in the past.

I am not sure that the Thermae was quite so raunchy in my times there which were early 90's, starting at the old Thermae location near to Miami Hotel. Probably I was not looking for really aggressive girls, more so pretty and passionate girls, with nice bodies, and sweet girls, but I did find them, and short times did not seem to exist in those days, the girls were always for the whole night, so never any rush rush. Mostly they could not speak English in those times or very little, so I was learning Thai from them. I recall mostly being disappointed to lose track of my early Thermae girls (like if I left Thailand or they left Bangkok), they were just that good, that I wanted to keep repeating. Kid in a candy shop.

In those days many Thermae girls were all natural, no surgeries, they were generally poor girls, could not afford surgeries, and usually had daytime normal jobs, like in clothing shops, Hotel cleaners, checkout chicks, waiting staff, etc. I rarely seemed to get the ones who moved from the bar to Thermae (due to no customer). Thermae got moving though when the other bars had reached closing time.[/QUOTE]Yes, a lot of semi-pros at that time. Gals needing to supplement their income. And by 230-3 am the place was just hopping with GoGo gals who did not get a customer, gals from the discos. It was an amazing scene. Believe it closed at 6 am. I remember heading to the airport and seeing people stumble out of there as the sun was coming up. Great times!

When I first moved here in '99 closing time at the GoGos was 2 am and it was a glorious event every night. Stand at the entrance to Nana or in the middle of Cowboy and you would literally be stampeded by gals coming out of the GoGos, grabbing you and saying "Go with you. Go with you. " It was just amazing. Every gal that did not get a LT was on the hunt. Boy how times have changed.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309657]When I first moved here in '99 closing time at the GoGos was 2 am and it was a glorious event every night. Stand at the entrance to Nana or in the middle of Cowboy and you would literally be stampeded by gals coming out of the GoGos, grabbing you and saying "Go with you. Go with you. " It was just amazing. Every gal that did not get a LT was on the hunt. Boy how times have changed.[/QUOTE]Is it really different now? I can walk by my regular gogo bars at closing and girls will try to pull me to their Thai discos and bars or usually to go eat and fun after. If girls don't see you they will Line you to go out.

If guys want to skip the barfine just hang around until the bar is closed. That girl you bought drinks for earlier in the night will definitely approach you to go LT.

Once I was outside one of my LK Metro gogo bars after closing. Some new security guy who worked at the bar still wanted me to pay a barfine after he saw I was taking one of the girls home with me. The girls all laughed at him and told him that I was this girl's real life boyfriend and he quickly backed off. The nerve for him to think he could still charge me a barfine even AFTER the gogo bar had closed.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2309668]Is it really different now? I can walk by my regular gogo bars at closing and girls will try to pull me to their Thai discos and bars or usually to go eat and fun after. If girls don't see you they will Line you to go out.

If guys want to skip the barfine just hang around until the bar is closed. That girl you bought drinks for earlier in the night will definitely approach you to go LT.

Once I was outside one of my LK Metro gogo bars after closing. Some new security guy who worked at the bar still wanted me to pay a barfine after he saw I was taking one of the girls home with me. The girls all laughed at him and told him that I was this girl's real life boyfriend and he quickly backed off. The nerve for him to think he could still charge me a barfine even AFTER the gogo bar had closed.[/QUOTE]It's completely different. If you stand outside GoGos at closing time you will get absolutely no attention. I'm not talking about a gal you bought drinks for. I'm talking about an exodus of hundreds of gals, most of whom you have never interacted with all desperate to get a customer. It really had nothing to do with escaping a barfine. It was the sheer volume of gals looking to make a buck. To be fair, this changed quite a long time ago. By 06 this behavior was already on the outs.
I'd even say Pattaya is different. When I used to be a regular in the 00s, a stroll down walking street after 2 am saw hundreds of gals exhibiting the same behavior. They were actively and aggressively approaching guys, which is exactly in our favor. Now, it seems to be the guys approaching gals. That's bassackwards.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2309086]
.....I think those poor uneducated Isaan girls know what they are doing.....

[/QUOTE]So, who is here poor and uneducated? - the guy who spend a lot of money for a pussy with louzy service or the lady, which make a lot of monney from a fool?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2309668]If guys want to skip the barfine just hang around until the bar is closed. That girl you bought drinks for earlier in the night will definitely approach you to go LT.[/QUOTE]Don't count on it. That girl you bought drinks for earlier in the night will most probably be wasted by the time the bar closes or worse, barfined. I wouldn't waste my time hanging around until 03:00 in the morning for a quite uncertain outcome. It just doesn't make sense. Better to find a way to get her Line_id while you are having that drink with her and contact her the next day. Or just slip her yours discreetly. A friend of mine has small cards printed with his Line details, which he carries around. Believe me, most girls will understand that you don't want to pay the barfine, especially in Pattaya where the 1500+ barfine is the norm now.

[QUOTE=Danubius;2309791]Don't count on it. That girl you bought drinks for earlier in the night will most probably be wasted by the time the bar closes or worse, barfined. I wouldn't waste my time hanging around until 03:00 in the morning for a quite uncertain outcome. It just doesn't make sense. [/QUOTE]I wasn't asking if this was a good idea I was telling you guys what I do. Works for me but I can see it not working for many guys for many reasons like attractiveness (not only physical) to girls, age, etc.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309708]It's completely different. If you stand outside GoGos at closing time you will get absolutely no attention. [/QUOTE]

This would depend on how well known you are to the gogo girls in town. On average, I go to 30 to 40 gogo bars per week. Girls seem to recognize me even when I have no clue who they are. They'll say you're friends with so and so or I've seen you with so and so at Hollywood or Central. I have the most success with this in friendlier gogo areas like LK Metro and Patpong.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2310014]
This would depend on how well known you are to the gogo girls in town. On average, I go to 30 to 40 gogo bars per week. Girls seem to recognize me even when I have no clue who they are. They'll say you're friends with so and so or I've seen you with so and so at Hollywood or Central. I have the most success with this in friendlier gogo areas like LK Metro and Patpong.[/QUOTE]How do you manage 30 to 40 bars per week, that is like 6 bars every single day? Seems expensive, yet you want to avoid the BF. I don't like the idea to hang around at closing time. Many girls are not in good condition as others mentioned. Some are too tired and just don't want to go any more. That is if you have specific girls in mind. Even as a guy who likes seeing really good looking girls nude (or close to it), I am visiting bars probably once per week on average now, or less. Not really my purpose to grope a lot of girls. Sometimes I try multiple bars (2 or 3), which will normally cost me one drink per bar. I suppose that is likely your method too. I don't even sit with a girl, unless there is one that really appeals. Can't be bothered.

My preferred method, is to have the contact info for girls that are known good fucks. Arrange them to come to me without going to the bar at all. I hardly do LT anymore. I am a bit noisy, so girls might need another room to get a goodnight's sleep. So typically the girl will come to me early evening. Usually they don't go to the bar that day, but if visited me really early, she could move to the bar after that.

Too many bars are quite boring, other than just being there to get a hot girl. I like two Shark girls (both ex Suzie Wong), but the bar entertainment is dull. No nude girls. Too many Coyotes. 5 Star used to have a really hot looking girl but she got taken away by a Farang. Some nudes but not great. Crazy House declined badly. Long time since I barfined there. Private meetings with bargirls or ex bargirls seems good to me.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2310014] On average, I go to 30 to 40 gogo bars per week.[/QUOTE]How do you mange to do that?

I'm not doubting you, but that is impressive commitment. Please do tell.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309654]The diet here certainly has changed. Thais are way fatter than they were 10 years ago. Fast food, 7-11, and yes, sugar. Diabetes rates are soaring as well. 5 to 10 kg extra on a Thai girl looks a lot worse than it does on a bigger western gal. In addition very few exercise regularly. I think there is still a stigma on girls who are fit. They think they look like ladyboys. Many of the gals who are thin here are what I call skinny fat. Thin yes, but zero muscle tone. I'm not a fan.[/QUOTE]I have always been amazed at how tight the asses are on Thai girls considering the lack of gym work.

In my recent mission in Billboard at Nana I could not get over the amount of beautiful butts I saw in that place. Not all girls were wearing G-Strings but I still had the chance to see and feel many of those asses. All sizes, no lard asses from what I experienced just firm and tight. I am an experienced assman and can honestly say they were of a very high calibre. My interviews resulting in not one of them advising they had ever set foot in a gym.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2310056]How do you manage 30 to 40 bars per week, that is like 6 bars every single day? Seems expensive[/QUOTE]Definitely cheaper than when I'm in Germany doing 2-3 FKK clubs per day, at 2000 to 3000 baht entry per each club.

6 gogo bars per day is a lot? In most bars you can see a full rotation of girls in under 1 hour but I can make an assessment if a bar is good or bad or not well under 1 hour. Girls will tell me which of my girls are there almost immediately. Ask poor FL Hawk how many bars I drag him to nightly. Ask MP and others how many times I left him in a bar because I was ready to move on.

Expensive? Drinks are cheaper in Pattaya than Bangkok so it's not bad until I start buying those lady drinks.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2310078]Definitely cheaper than when I'm in Germany doing 2-3 FKK clubs per day, at 2000 to 3000 baht entry per each club.

6 gogo bars per day is a lot? In most bars you can see a full rotation of girls in under 1 hour but I can make an assessment if a bar is good or bad or not well under 1 hour. Girls will tell me which of my girls are there almost immediately. Ask poor FL Hawk how many bars I drag him to nightly. Ask MP and others how many times I left him in a bar because I was ready to move on.

Expensive? Drinks are cheaper in Pattaya than Bangkok so it's not bad until I start buying those lady drinks.[/QUOTE]How much is a customer drink? I am used to 160 to 170 Baht in Bangkok although some bars are cheaper than that for non-alcoholic.

I never understood guys doing 2 to 3 FKKs per day. They could be big enough to do just 1 for me, and then one or two per week.

Seems like a psychology of being very afraid to miss out on some new unknown girl that might appear. Were you happy with all 3 clubs visited in the same day? Just seems too busy for me. If money is no object, then why not. I noticed guys that live in the clubs, day in and day out, obviously they had almost unlimited money to spend, or just no control whatsoever, or needed the social interaction. For me, it was largely about getting a hot girl or two for a fuck and little more than that.

I never saw the benefit of doing any more than 2 girls, with each additional experience declining in pleasure, and getting more difficult. If I took more than 2, these days, would indicate one was a write off cancellation, and needed to be replaced. Maybe for younger guys, two good sessions is not enough, however my sessions are usually 60 to 90 minutes. No quickies. Was quite rare for me to leave a club "ungefickt". No fuck would mean a disaster line up, so a pathetic club.

I agree, in a bar could have seen basically most of the girls within 30 mins. So many of my bar visits are that short, if trying a non regular bar. Still I am not going to do more than 3 or 4 stops of 30 mins waste of time.

Then there is always the waste of time girls to be wary of, that I like, but they don't want to go with me, for one reason or another. Sometimes I sit with a girl, even though she will not be a fuck, but I have to really like those ones, or maybe as yet undecided. Can't be bothered to converse with random Miscellaneous girls of no interest. That is where I have to exercise my "Ignore" feature of aloofness.

[QUOTE=Danubius;2309791]Don't count on it. That girl you bought drinks for earlier in the night will most probably be wasted by the time the bar closes or worse, barfined. I wouldn't waste my time hanging around until 03:00 in the morning for a quite uncertain outcome. It just doesn't make sense. Better to find a way to get her Line_id while you are having that drink with her and contact her the next day. Or just slip her yours discreetly. A friend of mine has small cards printed with his Line details, which he carries around. Believe me, most girls will understand that you don't want to pay the barfine, especially in Pattaya where the 1500+ barfine is the norm now.[/QUOTE]Some of us have zero desire to be interacting with p4 p gals on chat apps.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2310097]Some of us have zero desire to be interacting with p4 p gals on chat apps.[/QUOTE]Some of us have zero desire to interact with them at all, other than sticking it in and saying buhbye.

[QUOTE=Beno69;2309724]So, who is here poor and uneducated? - the guy who spend a lot of money for a pussy with louzy service or the lady, which make a lot of monney from a fool?[/QUOTE]If spending money on women is your criteria, I guess all men in the world are poor and uneducated.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2310097]Some of us have zero desire to be interacting with p4 p gals on chat apps.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Nice one. We have to have ways to contact our girls, I prefer the ones that message rarely. I get lazy to type a lot in Thai if their English is weak (have only one regular with really excellent English - others are learning). Is it just me or do men prefer verbal conversation.

Non P4 P girls are honestly the most annoying, one Thai girl was even sending me pics of flowers and poetry daily. You can imagine, I had to block her.

I like one directional chat. Ha ha. She only answers when I message her. That would be bliss. Some P4 ps are close to that thankfully. Some know not to be a nuisance.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2310182]Ha ha. Nice one. We have to have ways to contact our girls, I prefer the ones that message rarely. I get lazy to type a lot in Thai if their English is weak (have only one regular with really excellent English - others are learning). Is it just me or do men prefer verbal conversation.

Non P4 P girls are honestly the most annoying, one Thai girl was even sending me pics of flowers and poetry daily. You can imagine, I had to block her.

I like one directional chat. Ha ha. She only answers when I message her. That would be bliss. Some P4 ps are close to that thankfully. Some know not to be a nuisance.[/QUOTE]On Line, if you long press on the message, the option to translate through Google Translate pops up. You don't have to send her a message written in Thai. She can translate it into Thai on her side. At least that is how it works on Line with an Android phone. Yes, the translations are often gobbledygook, but so what. Most of what these girls post beyond the incessent How Are You, Have You Eaten, What Are You Doing and so on is gobbledygook. Easy enough to just ignore it and get back to making arrangements to meet for fucking and sucking. And if they object to that, no problem, they have just bought their ticket to the Land of Blocked And Forgotten.

I get those same daily photos of flowers and poetry. LOL. If they are still on track to suck and be fucked and have not yet bought their ticket to the above Land, I simply reply with the exact same Snoopy heart eyes sticker every time and that seems to suffice.

Oh, I have outright told some of these daily and hourly pests that I will not be reporting on what I am doing all the time and will let days go by without bothering to answer a single one of their posts.

Do you know what doing that typically does to their eagerness to suck and fuck the next time I decide I have a free afternoon or evening to bless them with access to my tongue and dick? Not a damn thing. In fact, it will likely intensify their eagerness rather than put a damper on it.

Thus is the potential ease of use, economy and magical quality of the dating site/Line option vs the traditional go-go bar, MP, club or street FL options.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2310182]Ha ha. Nice one. We have to have ways to contact our girls, I prefer the ones that message rarely. I get lazy to type a lot in Thai if their English is weak (have only one regular with really excellent English - others are learning). Is it just me or do men prefer verbal conversation.

Non P4 P girls are honestly the most annoying, one Thai girl was even sending me pics of flowers and poetry daily. You can imagine, I had to block her.

I like one directional chat. Ha ha. She only answers when I message her. That would be bliss. Some P4 ps are close to that thankfully. Some know not to be a nuisance.[/QUOTE]I really don't take phone numbers, Line, or any other contact information from P4 P gals. I've gotten then on occasion and never used them. I want to go to a place, pick a gal, have a PSE, and leave. I don't want them contacting me and I don't want to contact them. Hell, back in the day I didn't even bother asking names from most of the FLs I took from Thermae, Nana Disco, or the street. It really didn't matter. Intense anonymous sex and then goodbye. If she's good, maybe I'll repeat at some point in the future.

Gents. I just had my first trip to Bangkok, and I only went to places that I read about here. It was a good time in Bangkok thanks to the reviews I saw here. Here are the places I visited:

Tulip: Saw June, looks-wise 3/10 but the 3 other girls in lineup were about the same level, I chose June because I saw the name here with good marks for service. Started in the shower with deep clean of my orifices and hers, I fingered her while she teased my perenium. I then had 2 pops with the deepest rimming I've ever had, BBBJ, BLS, FIV. Didn't fuck (I just wasn't into her body or face), CIM twice instead and she kept her mouth on me to get every drop. She had a very good attitude, enthusiastic and welcoming (it was nice to hear her whisper "thank you" when I opened my legs wide for easy rimming), but the optics were poor. Service itself was 8/10 but overall rating 5/10 (dragged down by optics and shabby facilities). Paid 2220 thb total: 2100 for 90 minutes + 120 (beer). Probably wouldn't repeat despite great service, because I just didn't find the girls attractive.

Shark (Soi Cowboy gogo): Nam, skinny girl with a trashy look. Took her LT to my hotel, had BBBJ, BLS, rimming, came into a condom in her tight ass, which was fun. Went to sleep, and then had more oral action in the morning. 2000 thb barfine + 6000 thb for the girl (long time). This was my first time, but I thought the barfine was very high after reading the rates here (and 6000 for the girl seemed a little high also). The Shark mamasan told me the barfine was higher (2000 instead of 1500) for Songkran, did I get ripped off?

Doki Doki massage: chose Mimi for 90 minutes Nuru. Great experience overall. Decent English, and she aimed to please. Nuru on the air mattress turned into BLS, enthusiastic rimming, and BBBJ to finish. Cleaned up, then moved to the bed for massage, more BBBJ, and second finish in doggy while squeezing her tits. Overall a great experience, and even went back again a couple of days later and saw a different girl, but she wasn't as good (her name was something like "Aye Aye" Still, after visiting Tulip I found Doki Doki to have pretty much the same service level, prettier girls, and better facilities. I don't think I'd go back to Tulip after visiting Doki Doki.

Poseidon (soapy): Took the mrt (subway) there, which was easy enough with Google maps, for this American. Got off the train, and walked about 5 minutes to Poseidon. I went to the 2nd floor and wasn't too impressed with the girls in the fishbowl, which was my first time seeing a fishbowl. I like the concept, even though it was a little awkward being the only one there with all the girls staring at me. I then went upstairs to the models floor (3rd floor) and there were about 30 girls sitting around on one side of the room, and men on couches facing them to choose their girls. I found a few of the girls quite attractive, but many of the rest were on par with the girls in the regular fishbowl. I saw some other guys requesting to see a short-list of girls of their choosing up-close, and 4-5 girls would get up and stand right front of the guys like a mini-lineup so they could see them up-close / standing and choose. I did the same with a few girls, and chose Bee (#R13), a thin girl with a medium skin tone (not white or dark), and symmetrical features. Her English was decent and I paid about 4200 THB, I think, (I don't quite remember the price, but the 'are' on her tag meant a certain price, and they had 5-10 tiers of pricing on the models floor, where are was in the top half of the pricing structure but not the very top). We went up to a room, and she was very warm and friendly, almost GFE. We talked and got to know each other while the tub was filling up, and I ordered a beer that we shared. It was strange that a 330 ML Chang in the lounge was 120 THB, and a large Chang (about 500 ML, maybe?) was the same price in the room. Anyway, we spent some time in the tub feeling each other up, then went to the bed and had BBBJ, LFK, CG, FIV, BLS, and she sucked on my fingers while we were in doggy / prone to finish. She stopped me when I started to stick a finger in her ass, but was otherwise cooperative. Overall a nice experience, rating 7/10 and more relaxing than a gogo, nicest facilities I had seen in Bangkok so far, would repeat.

Eden Club: saw the lineup and chose A (thin girl with CTits, prettiest of the lot, on the anal side of the line) and Perry (more full-figured with huge tits, but she wasn't big). We went to the room, and they sprung into a routine of shower, BBBJ, BLS, rimming, licking my nipples (does nothing for me, but whatever), while I played with their tits and pussies. After my first shot in A's mouth, they gave me a weak massage, which turned into more BBBJ, BLS, light rimming, then anal with A (VERY tight, and it was nice looking down on her thin body), then came in CG with Perry. Overall it was just ok. Zero contact between the girls and they were accommodating but clearly just doing a job, with lots of fake moaning. Perry made some conversation with me but A was almost silent the whole time, except for the fake moaning. Overall rating 6/10, I see the appeal but probably would not repeat.

Billboard: I took Kung (#42) longtime (6000 + 1500 barfine, which was higher than usual for Songkran). They wanted all 8500 up-front, I said barfine only and they quickly accepted. Went to my hotel, and it was an ok experience. The girl was super-hot, but not very skilled. I think the gogo setup is nice, but not my favorite because of the awkwardness of bringing a girl back to my hotel, and their service isn't as good as the massage or soapy places I tried in bkk. I did like the Nana scene more than Soi Cowboy, though. A little more friendly staff, and the girls were hotter, at least on my one night in each place.

Annalisa massage: I got 90 min full service with Pim. They didn't give me a lineup, she just came to me after the reception lady gave me the options and took payment. When we walked past the other girls, I saw that Pim was the hottest one. Thin but not skinny, DTits, and a cute face. She also had pretty good English, and was really playful and fun in the room. They had told me that BJ is covered only (not available uncovered, and they even said I should go next door if I want BBBJ). They also said that I could do 2 pops in 90 min, but only one with sex, the other one with HJ or BJ. Anyway, in the room we had a long massage teasing my perenium, then she put on a glove and did a pretty good prostate massage, then sex in a few positions until I came, more massage, then shower. I was satisfied after one shot, so didn't try to have a HJ or BJ again. She was friendly and hot, decent skills, rating 7/10, might repeat but more likely to go to Doki Doki for a massage because of BBBJ and rimming. By the way, I went to analisa because I heard about a milking table, but the 2 rooms Pim showed me didn't have one. It was fine though, I still had fun.

Thanks for the reviews, NF. What are the rates at Doki Doki? How would you compare the looks of the girls compared to the models at Poseidon soapie?

Both gogo bars charged 6000 LT. That's disturbing.

[QUOTE=NF4591;2310336]Gents. I just had my first trip to Bangkok, and I only went to places that I read about here. It was a good time in Bangkok thanks to the reviews I saw here. Here are the places I visited:

Eden Club: saw the lineup and chose A (thin girl with CTits, prettiest of the lot, on the anal side of the line) and Perry (more full-figured with huge tits, but she wasn't big). We went to the room, and they sprung into a routine of shower, BBBJ, BLS, rimming, licking my nipples (does nothing for me, but whatever), while I played with their tits and pussies. After my first shot in A's mouth, they gave me a weak massage, which turned into more BBBJ, BLS, light rimming, then anal with A (VERY tight, and it was nice looking down on her thin body), then came in CG with Perry. Overall it was just ok. Zero contact between the girls and they were accommodating but clearly just doing a job, with lots of fake moaning. Perry made some conversation with me but A was almost silent the whole time, except for the fake moaning..[/QUOTE]Nice to see an updated review on Eden. Sounds like no changes there.

Wow! 6000 at Billboard! Where is this heading?

NF4591,Thank you for taking the time to supply your reviews. I'm glad you had a good time in Bangkok. It's a wonderful place, but oh my. Getting expensive.

Hey all,

New to the BKK scene and this forum, so this might be the wrong section completely. But if I wanted to find girls who aren't full on pros (read "real" are freelancers via ThaiFriendly or Thermae's my best bet?

I'm not naive, so I know 90% of the girls who claim to be freelancers / part-time / semi-pro's are straight up full on pro's, but I think that's still better than the well established girls who work for a bar, agency, etc. (even if I have to sacrifice looks / features).

Thanks for any info.

[QUOTE=NF4591;2310336]Gents. I just had my first trip to Bangkok, and I only went to places that I read about here. It was a good time in Bangkok thanks to the reviews I saw here. Here are the places I visited:

Tulip: Saw June, looks-wise 3/10 but the 3 other girls in lineup were about the same level, I chose June because I saw the name here with good marks for service. Started in the shower with deep clean of my orifices and hers, I fingered her while she teased my perenium. I then had 2 pops with the deepest rimming I've ever had, BBBJ, BLS, FIV. Didn't fuck (I just wasn't into her body or face), CIM twice instead and she kept her mouth on me to get every drop. She had a very good attitude, enthusiastic and welcoming (it was nice to hear her whisper "thank you" when I opened my legs wide for easy rimming), but the optics were poor. Service itself was 8/10 but overall rating 5/10 (dragged down by optics and shabby facilities). Paid 2220 thb total: 2100 for 90 minutes + 120 (beer). Probably wouldn't repeat despite great service, because I just didn't find the girls attractive.

Shark (Soi Cowboy gogo): Nam, skinny girl with a trashy look. Took her LT to my hotel, had BBBJ, BLS, rimming, came into a condom in her tight ass, which was fun. Went to sleep, and then had more oral action in the morning. 2000 thb barfine + 6000 thb for the girl (long time). This was my first time, but I thought the barfine was very high after reading the rates here (and 6000 for the girl seemed a little high also). The Shark mamasan told me the barfine was higher (2000 instead of 1500) for Songkran, did I get ripped off?

Doki Doki massage: chose Mimi for 90 minutes Nuru. Great experience overall. Decent English, and she aimed to please. Nuru on the air mattress turned into BLS, enthusiastic rimming, and BBBJ to finish. Cleaned up, then moved to the bed for massage, more BBBJ, and second finish in doggy while squeezing her tits. Overall a great experience, and even went back again a couple of days later and saw a different girl, but she wasn't as good (her name was something like "Aye Aye" Still, after visiting Tulip I found Doki Doki to have pretty much the same service level, prettier girls, and better facilities. I don't think I'd go back to Tulip after visiting Doki Doki.

Poseidon (soapy): Took the mrt (subway) there, which was easy enough with Google maps, for this American. Got off the train, and walked about 5 minutes to Poseidon. I went to the 2nd floor and wasn't too impressed with the girls in the fishbowl, which was my first time seeing a fishbowl. I like the concept, even though it was a little awkward being the only one there with all the girls staring at me. I then went upstairs to the models floor (3rd floor) and there were about 30 girls sitting around on one side of the room, and men on couches facing them to choose their girls. I found a few of the girls quite attractive, but many of the rest were on par with the girls in the regular fishbowl. I saw some other guys requesting to see a short-list of girls of their choosing up-close, and 4-5 girls would get up and stand right front of the guys like a mini-lineup so they could see them up-close / standing and choose. I did the same with a few girls, and chose Bee (#R13), a thin girl with a medium skin tone (not white or dark), and symmetrical features. Her English was decent and I paid about 4200 THB, I think, (I don't quite remember the price, but the 'are' on her tag meant a certain price, and they had 5-10 tiers of pricing on the models floor, where are was in the top half of the pricing structure but not the very top). We went up to a room, and she was very warm and friendly, almost GFE. We talked and got to know each other while the tub was filling up, and I ordered a beer that we shared. It was strange that a 330 ML Chang in the lounge was 120 THB, and a large Chang (about 500 ML, maybe?) was the same price in the room. Anyway, we spent some time in the tub feeling each other up, then went to the bed and had BBBJ, LFK, CG, FIV, BLS, and she sucked on my fingers while we were in doggy / prone to finish. She stopped me when I started to stick a finger in her ass, but was otherwise cooperative. Overall a nice experience, rating 7/10 and more relaxing than a gogo, nicest facilities I had seen in Bangkok so far, would repeat.

Eden Club: saw the lineup and chose A (thin girl with CTits, prettiest of the lot, on the anal side of the line) and Perry (more full-figured with huge tits, but she wasn't big). We went to the room, and they sprung into a routine of shower, BBBJ, BLS, rimming, licking my nipples (does nothing for me, but whatever), while I played with their tits and pussies. After my first shot in A's mouth, they gave me a weak massage, which turned into more BBBJ, BLS, light rimming, then anal with A (VERY tight, and it was nice looking down on her thin body), then came in CG with Perry. Overall it was just ok. Zero contact between the girls and they were accommodating but clearly just doing a job, with lots of fake moaning. Perry made some conversation with me but A was almost silent the whole time, except for the fake moaning. Overall rating 6/10, I see the appeal but probably would not repeat.

Billboard: I took Kung (#42) longtime (6000 + 1500 barfine, which was higher than usual for Songkran). They wanted all 8500 up-front, I said barfine only and they quickly accepted. Went to my hotel, and it was an ok experience. The girl was super-hot, but not very skilled. I think the gogo setup is nice, but not my favorite because of the awkwardness of bringing a girl back to my hotel, and their service isn't as good as the massage or soapy places I tried in bkk. I did like the Nana scene more than Soi Cowboy, though. A little more friendly staff, and the girls were hotter, at least on my one night in each place.

Annalisa massage: I got 90 min full service with Pim. They didn't give me a lineup, she just came to me after the reception lady gave me the options and took payment. When we walked past the other girls, I saw that Pim was the hottest one. Thin but not skinny, DTits, and a cute face. She also had pretty good English, and was really playful and fun in the room. They had told me that BJ is covered only (not available uncovered, and they even said I should go next door if I want BBBJ). They also said that I could do 2 pops in 90 min, but only one with sex, the other one with HJ or BJ. Anyway, in the room we had a long massage teasing my perenium, then she put on a glove and did a pretty good prostate massage, then sex in a few positions until I came, more massage, then shower. I was satisfied after one shot, so didn't try to have a HJ or BJ again. She was friendly and hot, decent skills, rating 7/10, might repeat but more likely to go to Doki Doki for a massage because of BBBJ and rimming. By the way, I went to analisa because I heard about a milking table, but the 2 rooms Pim showed me didn't have one. It was fine though, I still had fun.[/QUOTE]A most excellent and very straight forward report and a good look at the state of the scene in BKK. Tulip provides amazing service, best in the city, but the women there have become very hard on the eyes. I am in the same boat, love the service, but just can't take the visuals. I've known many of those gals for about 10 years. Almost all the gals are north of 35. The other PSE shops are becoming sketchy on performance.

Doki Doki sounds interesting but geez, it's over 100 USD for an hour. Might give it a whirl but that stings. I still have a struggle paying 60 plus for the PSE shops. Most Thai gals are still 1 k Baht lays to me. Some perhaps worth 1. 5 k. So many times I leave the shop thinking about what else I could have spent that money on. Many times when I don't find anything, the money stays in my pocket and I'm pretty happy with that. When I look at what my mates are getting in South America for far less, it just cements the fact that P4 P in Thailand is just not the value or the fun it was. And it won't be again. Just too many punters.

6 k LT plus BF, plus drinks. Wow! That is a lot of money no matter how you slice it. Getting close to 300 USD. OK I guess for those on vacation, but really out of reach for most residents. Considering I used to pay about 2 k or so all in for LT and that was a little over 50 USD then, 300 is well, just a no from me. Really amazing that these gals are commanding those kind of prices. I guess for some dudes it's worth it. Don't think I could ever justify that expense even if I had multiple millions of dollars.

My friends who do the online thing rarely pay over 1500 Baht, but it requires a lot of time and effort. I've never been a fan of ho-mancing.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2310390]A most excellent and very straight forward report and a good look at the state of the scene in BKK.

...

6 k LT plus BF, plus drinks. Wow! That is a lot of money no matter how you slice it. Getting close to 300 USD. OK I guess for those on vacation, but really out of reach for most residents. Considering I used to pay about 2 k or so all in for LT and that was a little over 50 USD then, 300 is well, just a no from me. Really amazing that these gals are commanding those kind of prices. I guess for some dudes it's worth it. Don't think I could ever justify that expense even if I had multiple millions of dollars.

My friends who do the online thing rarely pay over 1500 Baht, but it requires a lot of time and effort. I've never been a fan of ho-mancing.[/QUOTE]I agree (and to NF) that was a great report.

However, Songkran week is a hard time to expect competitive deals and better service girls in go-go bars, even in Bkk go-go bars. I am guessing the regular 700 barfine at the one bar and the regular 1500 barfine at the other bar, plus a more boldly negotiated 3,500-4,000 baht to the girl for LT would be doable and probably with even better girls during more competitive, non holiday times of the year. I realize that is still near or north of 5,000 baht all in not counting drinks. But if it is for a genuine LT in your own room and bed with a slim 21-23 year old go-go dancer who, trust me, can often be agreeable upfront to a True GFE involving nothing covered, how does that compare with 2100-2900+ baht for 90 minutes (most likely coverage required) with an unfortunate aged-and-baby-damage case in a shabby so-called PSE massage shop? Relatively speaking, that is.

Your numbers are pretty much right for the online ho-mancing. But with outright, direct, self-accepting hos/FLs, there isn't a lot of "mancing" involved at all. LOL. It is only a matter of stating what you want, what she'll accept to do it, when and where she should show up for it. Yes, for my requirements, it might be closer to the 2,000 baht level. But I'd still take what I get for 2,000 baht WAY over what I have blessedly rarely had to endure and read about happening in PSE shops, et al, these days.

And aside from the outright, direct, self-accepting hos/FLs you meet online, there are still many girls and ladies who certainly need and are happy to accept our financial assistance, but are not willing to think of themselves as hos for the exchange. We would be "dating", you see, with the prospect for more later. Much later. Ok, probably never. And, yes, those can take more time. But not a lot more. As of this morning alone, I have agreed to give a very sweet-natured 30 year old lady from Kalasin with a decent, even featured face and a very firm and fit, fairly smoking hot, no baby body who I have been with once before 2000 baht for "travel expenses" when she comes to stay with me for two days and nights soon. Whereupon we will engage in more of the same full and complete True GFE fucking, sucking and 100% swallowing we engaged in a few weeks ago.

Too old?

I am also booking a flight to Udon Thani soon (about $90 RT, 1 1/2 hour flight) to meet and stay/sleep with an absolutely adorable 21 year old sweetie as cute as a bug's ear (we video chatted last night) who claims to be a virgin because she is saving herself for "her partner" (lol. I know, I know) but is highly intrigued by the idea of us taking care of each other fully and completely orally under my tutelage for the first night or two until she can't prevent her willing legs from popping open. And with her grandma's blessing. Her only authority figure and a nice old lady a few years younger than me who approves of my sleeping arrangement with her granddaughter. I consider this a worthwhile side trip and adventure. lol. Yeah, I'll check her ID first. The 21 year old, I mean.

Variety is the spice of life, you know. And the online option provides plenty of it, imo.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2310428]I agree (and to NF) that was a great report.

However, Songkran week is a hard time to expect competitive deals and better service girls in go-go bars, even in Bkk go-go bars. I am guessing the regular 700 barfine at the one bar and the regular 1500 barfine at the other bar, plus a more boldly negotiated 3,500-4,000 baht to the girl for LT would be doable and probably with even better girls during more competitive, non holiday times of the year. I realize that is still near or north of 5,000 baht all in not counting drinks. But if it is for a genuine LT in your own room and bed with a slim 21-23 year old go-go dancer who, trust me, can often be agreeable upfront to a True GFE involving nothing covered, how does that compare with 2100-2900+ baht for 90 minutes (most likely coverage required) with an unfortunate aged-and-baby-damage case in a shabby so-called PSE massage shop? Relatively speaking, that is.

Your numbers are pretty much right for the online ho-mancing. But with outright, direct, self-accepting hos/FLs, there isn't a lot of "mancing" involved at all. LOL. It is only a matter of stating what you want, what she'll accept to do it, when and where she should show up for it. Yes, for my requirements, it might be closer to the 2,000 baht level. But I'd still take what I get for 2,000 baht WAY over what I have blessedly rarely had to endure and read about happening in PSE shops, et al, these days..[/QUOTE]Many of us are waiting with bated breath for the to hear about your liaison with the 21 year old Issan virgin!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2310428]I agree (and to NF) that was a great report.

However, Songkran week is a hard time to expect competitive deals and better service girls in go-go bars, even in Bkk go-go bars. I am guessing the regular 700 barfine at the one bar and the regular 1500 barfine at the other bar, plus a more boldly negotiated 3,500-4,000 baht to the girl for LT would be doable and probably with even better girls during more competitive, non holiday times of the year. I realize that is still near or north of 5,000 baht all in not counting drinks. But if it is for a genuine LT in your own room and bed with a slim 21-23 year old go-go dancer who, trust me, can often be agreeable upfront to a True GFE involving nothing covered, how does that compare with 2100-2900+ baht for 90 minutes (most likely coverage required) with an unfortunate aged-and-baby-damage case in a shabby so-called PSE massage shop? Relatively speaking, that is.

Your numbers are pretty much right for the online ho-mancing. But with outright, direct, self-accepting hos/FLs, there isn't a lot of "mancing" involved at all. LOL. It is only a matter of stating what you want, what she'll accept to do it, when and where she should show up for it. Yes, for my requirements, it might be closer to the 2,000 baht level. But I'd still take what I get for 2,000 baht WAY over what I have blessedly rarely had to endure and read about happening in PSE shops, et al, these days..[/QUOTE]For those of us that have live-in gals, your modus operandi is not an option. Personally I have met very few women here that I'd want to spend more than 90 min with. Even the greatest lookers and performers I can't get away fast enough after I'm done as it's when the full force of that lack of education and sophistication comes into focus. Exactly why the PSE shop has worked so well for me. I've never really liked to "date" with gals here either. I guess if I could actually have some interesting conversations with one, it'd be OK, but that's a pipe dream. How many Thai women have you met that are well read, have a good knowledge of history (even their own nation's would be nice), have seen any decent film, etc etc?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2310447]...
How many Thai women have you met that are well read, have a good knowledge of history (even their own nation's would be nice), have seen any decent film, etc etc?[/QUOTE]Not talking about brilliant intellects (or me either), but I have met at least a half dozen girls here who are curious and informed enough to ask a pertinent question about the USA, business investments, the stock market, international politics and can hold a conversation about a book they've just read or a movie we've just watched. My current 22 year old main GF's three favorite movies she has asked to be re-played on my big screen home theater system with English language and Thai subtitles? My Fair Lady, The Lion in Winter and African Queen! Hell, I'm not even that big a fan of African Queen. But she wanted to watch it and those others a second time in the past 3 weeks and we talked about them later. The Lion in Winter with Peter O'Toole and (again) Katharine Hepburn! It is a fuckin' filmed stage play! Good movie, too. Yeah, ordinarily her face is locked into place staring at her thumbs skipping around on her smartphone screen. But not all the time.

Other early 20's girls I see off and on are now avid Hitchcock and Kubrick fans, insist on watching anything I've got of their work. And we definitely have a meaningful conversation about what we just watched over dinner and before the fucking and sucking begins anew. Did you know there are revival theaters in Bangkok that show classic American or other foreign movies every month? I went to the first Annual Bangkok Silent Film Festival 2-3 years ago at the Scala and Lido theaters across from Siam Paragon, which featured 7-8 silent films Alfred Hitchcock made and those screenings were packed with Thai people, many girls in their 20s and early 30s, easy to meet and chat with over a mutual interest. Not a comic book action hero movie among the screenings!

I did not meet any of those girls in the usual P4P venues. Only on dating sites or working in regular restaurants and malls. I am not kidding about this. I have met and frequently see girls here who are not only worth DATY, fucking and getting blown by, but can hold their own in a conversation about places we go, museums, historical sites, events of the day, watching movies, etc.

But, no doubt about it, having a live-in gal is a BIG mistake in Thailand, imo, unless you have really settled down in outlying farm country areas away from larger cities and red light districts. I even told the 30 year old I mentioned in my previous post NOT to plan on staying over 3 nights. Two nights in a row is my limit with any one female with the possible exception of my regular main gf. I might be willing to go for a third night in a row with her every few months. Reluctantly.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2310342]What are the rates at Doki Doki?[/QUOTE]I was there this afternoon and was quoted 3500 for 90 minutes. I think 60 minutes may have been 3000 but did not investigate. On the other hand there was a post either here or on the "MPs other than. " thread that I'm pretty sure had 90 minutes for 2500 so maybe I got handed the "Looks like a complete newbie" tablet with the menu on it.

I chose Olive, one of only three available. Was fairly attractive in keeping with my expectations of Chiang Mai. Good service. Not much to add.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2310452]Not talking about brilliant intellects (or me either), but I have met at least a half dozen girls here who are curious and informed enough to ask a pertinent question about the USA, business investments, the stock market, international politics and can hold a conversation about a book they've just read or a movie we've just watched. My current 22 year old main GF's three favorite movies she has asked to be re-played on my big screen home theater system with English language and Thai subtitles? My Fair Lady, The Lion in Winter and African Queen! Hell, I'm not even that big a fan of African Queen. But she wanted to watch it and those others a second time in the past 3 weeks and we talked about them later. The Lion in Winter with Peter O'Toole and (again) Katharine Hepburn! It is a fuckin' filmed stage play! Good movie, too. Yeah, ordinarily her face is locked into place staring at her thumbs skipping around on her smartphone screen. But not all the time.

Other early 20's girls I see off and on are now avid Hitchcock and Kubrick fans, insist on watching anything I've got of their work. And we definitely have a meaningful conversation about what we just watched over dinner and before the fucking and sucking begins anew. Did you know there are revival theaters in Bangkok that show classic American or other foreign movies every month? I went to the first Annual Bangkok Silent Film Festival 2-3 years ago at the Scala and Lido theaters across from Siam Paragon, which featured 7-8 silent films Alfred Hitchcock made and those screenings were packed with Thai people, many girls in their 20s and early 30s, easy to meet and chat with over a mutual interest. Not a comic book action hero movie among the screenings!.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you have met some winners. If I was single, I'd hope to do the same.

I'm actually quite content with my gal. She's finished her MBA, can hold her own in any conversation, is a militant atheist like myself, is not into any cult of personality, and I sh*t you not does some swimsuit modeling. We have very complimentary personalities as she is not a romantic and is not a touchy feely person either. Neither of us have a jealous bone in our bodies so there is never any games or BS involved. It's easy for the both of us, by far the easiest relationship I've ever had and going on 12 years now. So, not one I'm going to be tossing aside anytime soon.

[QUOTE=Oosik;2310506]I was there this afternoon and was quoted 3500 for 90 minutes. I think 60 minutes may have been 3000 but did not investigate. On the other hand there was a post either here or on the "MPs other than. " thread that I'm pretty sure had 90 minutes for 2500 so maybe I got handed the "Looks like a complete newbie" tablet with the menu on it.
[/QUOTE]I read many reports about Doki Doki on the web and the price marked for the 90 min is always 3500 baht.

This is crazy. Twice now in 2 weeks concerning ladies I have met on TF, have asked for 1000 thb just to meet them? I ask to join me for coffee or lunch and I assumed we could take it from there.

One lady said ok 1000 thb to meet and if you want sex then an additional 3000 thb. Also you must pay for my taxi 400 thb, or I could come to her soi and pay her 4000 thb and a cheap hotel room for 1 hour. She gave the excuse that the only reason she is selling her body is that, "her mother is very sick". And that is the only reason she would ever sell herself.

The second lady wanted to come direct to my room for 3000 thb and taxi of 250 thb. I told her I would like to meet first and check her out before I bought the package. She said fine 1000 thb to meet and then if I wanted her an additional 3000 thb, and her taxi.

I remember one situation a couple of years ago when I required the services of a lady from Craig's list. She agreed on the price and time. When I told her my hotel, The Ambassador, she didn't show. I texted her asking where are you. She responded that to many bad people at my hotel and always not there when she arrived. Too many Indians she said.

So I went out last night and pulled an FL off of soi 7. 1500 thb and she's still here. Fucking in the shower, no condum, she cums every 5 minutes. I should tell her Charlie's rule. " I pay you to leave not for sex. ".

RL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2310511]...I'm actually quite content with my gal. She's finished her MBA, can hold her own in any conversation, is a militant atheist like myself, is not into any cult of personality, and... is not a touchy feely person either. Neither of us have a jealous bone in our bodies so there is never any games or BS involved. It's easy for the both of us, by far the easiest relationship I've ever had and going on 12 years now. So, not one I'm going to be tossing aside anytime soon.[/QUOTE]I like the idea of no BS in a relationship and no touchy feely. My type of GF, lucky you!

I never use TF or sites like it but I've always wondered how many losers who can't get dates waste these girl's time by meeting them for coffee and dinner with zero intention of sex later or worst yet seeking free sex later.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2310783]I never use TF or sites like it but I've always wondered how many losers who can't get dates waste these girl's time by meeting them for coffee and dinner with zero intention of sex later or worst yet seeking free sex later.[/QUOTE]Not sure why you label "losers" for guys who like this method. Seems unwarranted. Myself, I just don't have the time for interest for pseudo "dating", and want to see the girls bodies before wasting time too.

Any method that has a good success rate for stunning fun girls, would surely be okay I have no clue what the success rate could be.

Bad guys abound, surely, but the girls would likely know that, and nothing can be done about it. Girls can refuse the guy if get the wrong vibe or just don't want to come to his location, more than likely. I may well get knock backs from girls in Thermae because Farangs in their have a bad reputation for being difficult, or are scarey, or are just too old and grumpy looking. Plenty of guys are getting knockbacks due to racial generalisation reasons too.

When I first came to Thailand, a very high proportion of Thai hookers seemed to enjoy a session or a whole night (compared to pathetic hookers back home), and get money as well. It gets much hard for me to find the same these days. So various alternate methods need to be considered, or tried.

Whatever works for the monger and his taste and purpose!

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2310776]This is crazy. Twice now in 2 weeks concerning ladies I have met on TF, have asked for 1000 thb just to meet them? I ask to join me for coffee or lunch and I assumed we could take it from there.

One lady said ok 1000 thb to meet and if you want sex then an additional 3000 thb. Also you must pay for my taxi 400 thb, or I could come to her soi and pay her 4000 thb and a cheap hotel room for 1 hour. She gave the excuse that the only reason she is selling her body is that, "her mother is very sick". And that is the only reason she would ever sell herself.

The second lady wanted to come direct to my room for 3000 thb and taxi of 250 thb. I told her I would like to meet first and check her out before I bought the package. She said fine 1000 thb to meet and then if I wanted her an additional 3000 thb, and her taxi.

I remember one situation a couple of years ago when I required the services of a lady from Craig's list. She agreed on the price and time. When I told her my hotel, The Ambassador, she didn't show. I texted her asking where are you. She responded that to many bad people at my hotel and always not there when she arrived. Too many Indians she said.

So I went out last night and pulled an FL off of soi 7. 1500 thb and she's still here. Fucking in the shower, no condum, she cums every 5 minutes. I should tell her Charlie's rule. " I pay you to leave not for sex. ".

RL.[/QUOTE]Sounds like the Smooci program has leached into those TF girls' agenda; 1000 baht paid upfront on arrival and all that crap. Too bad. Smooci's originally stated program seemed like it might actually serve to ripple out and positively influence the entire Thai P4P scene. Talking about the rating system as originally framed.

But then they lost the plot (and, frankly, were allowed to do so by too many passive, meek and weak punters) and began to chip away at anything and everything that might have provided more necessary leverage for their customers to ensure a great time for a fair price, shifted the leverage to the girls instead and now it is the girls who are calling all the important shots from the moment a customer clicks on the booking button. While many white knight Smooci patrons and supporters applauded the changes. haha.

Now it seems the latter incarnations of the Smooci program have indeed rippled out to influence other P4P options. But in a negative way.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2310452]But, no doubt about it, having a live-in gal is a BIG mistake in Thailand, imo, unless you have really settled down in outlying farm country areas away from larger cities and red light districts. I even told the 30 year old I mentioned in my previous post NOT to plan on staying over 3 nights. Two nights in a row is my limit with any one female with the possible exception of my regular main gf. I might be willing to go for a third night in a row with her every few months. Reluctantly.[/QUOTE]There are some exceptional girls that do not bore me after fucking them 3 days running. A good option though is to meet a girl on alternate days with something else in between.

So I am not burned out by sex. Never got quite enough. Farm / country life far away from the red-lights is not too bad though. Holidays from the Mongering. Have "leg-openers" to make her horny often.

In Bangkok guys get a chance to slip away from the GF and do an MP or ST Hotel meet. However could agree that full time live in girls is not a great idea, unless she is non-jealous type and allowing for possibility the guy might play up a bit.

Once took a Tulip girl on 4 or 5 day holiday, can't remember but was not bored by her at all. Works with very special girls.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2310783]I never use TF or sites like it but I've always wondered how many losers who can't get dates waste these girl's time by meeting them for coffee and dinner with zero intention of sex later or worst yet seeking free sex later.[/QUOTE]It can't be many. The girls see the man's profile and photos. He sees hers. They can also video chat soon enough. Girls who are primarily interested in money for sex make it known upfront and very quickly so the man will know about it and a deal can and will be struck ASAP before a time and place to meet is set.

Oh, it isn't known and understood by both sides as quickly as for losers who can't get dates walking into a go-go bar. But quickly.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2310802]Oh, it isn't known and understood by both sides as quickly as for losers who can't get dates walking into a go-go bar. But quickly.[/QUOTE]You tell me. You're much more a Bangkok gogo bar expert than I am. I only assume this because I NEVER actually see you writing any 'Reports' in the 'Reports' threads. Just bickering, complaining, repetitively whining. I gave my opinion about TF yet you decided to turn what I said all around. You seem to do that a lot with a lot of different people on this board.

Maybe you just need to go out more often and get laid. Really helps Anger Management.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2310812]You tell me. You're much more a Bangkok gogo bar expert than I am. I only assume this because I NEVER actually see you writing any 'Reports' in the 'Reports' threads. Just bickering, complaining, repetitively whining. I gave my opinion about TF yet you decided to turn what I said all around. You seem to do that a lot with a lot of different people on this board.

Maybe you just need to go out more often and get laid. Really helps Anger Management.[/QUOTE]I have written reports. Even about go-go bars, barfining go-go girls, etc. So you're wrong about that. I have never claimed to be a better go-go bar expert than anyone else. But maybe you're not wrong about you not actually "seeing" them. How can I control that?

If what I posted turned what you said about TF all around, why not simply correct and clarify it instead of angrily bickering, complaining and whining about it?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2310783]I never use TF or sites like it but I've always wondered how many losers who can't get dates waste these girl's time by meeting them for coffee and dinner with zero intention of sex later or worst yet seeking free sex later.[/QUOTE]BB your post was a little difficult to understand, especially as a non TF or similar user. Maybe you were commenting on what other guys write about meeting girls via "dating" apps, who maybe trying to take advantage of girls rather than be taken advantage of, using the so called "dating".

I don't think we can put all guys in a box, the behaviour varies a lot.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2310802]It can't be many. The girls see the man's profile and photos. He sees hers. They can also video chat soon enough. Girls who are primarily interested in money for sex make it known upfront and very quickly so the man will know about it and a deal can and will be struck ASAP before a time and place to meet is set.

Oh, it isn't known and understood by both sides as quickly as for losers who can't get dates walking into a go-go bar. But quickly.[/QUOTE]I don't think ET's response was unreasonable, once I thought I understood it. The "losers" part could be just considered sending you up since you started that phrase. We are well use to ET having slightly exaggerated responses or takes on some issues, but not especially so this time.

So don't be too sensitive, is my advice. Argumentative discussions are quite normal. You are make a provocative post, you have to get responses.

Do any of us post a lot of particular girl experience reports lately? I would if I did any new girls, and had something to offer whether the girl was fun or pathetic.

I have posted on almost all new bargirls and MP girls I tried in the last few years. Sadly some are not available any more. The good ones often don't last long.

Stambled on this video
[URL]https://xhamster.com/videos/go-go-bar-thai-girl-in-bangkok-very-big-boobs-silicone-11094327[/URL]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2310875]BB your post was a little difficult to understand, especially as a non TF or similar user. Maybe you were commenting on what other guys write about meeting girls via "dating" apps, who maybe trying to take advantage of girls rather than be taken advantage of, using the so called "dating".[/QUOTE]Was saying that guys are losers if they go on TF, Badoo, etc. Only wanting a free date for companionship or free sex rather than using the sites seeking girls for PAID sexual services.

Just my opinion. If some of you guys fall in to that boat sorry to offend you.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2310882]Was saying that guys are losers if they go on TF, Badoo, etc. Only wanting a free date for companionship or free sex rather than seeking girls for PAID sexual services.[/QUOTE]Many guys claim that girls met are happy to go fuck them for free. Its not clear to me to what extent they may have expected money and did not get it. However not all girls want to be hookers. It is possible for girls to be horny. One would have to do an extended survey of the girls to really understand the variety of their expectations, and even then they would not tell the truth. The smart ones that are hookers, will surely state their price for sex, and why waste time on a dinner, etc.

I suppose there must still be extremely shy girls that cannot say how much money they want, but I don't know the percentage. I still get bar girls that never negotiated a price, but I still pay them very fairly or better if performance, attitude and work rate was above normal.

I think guys that are unsure if their date is a hooker or not, should make an effort to find out, and have her refuse to take money, rather than assume she does not expect any.

One of my regular girls seems to like dick, stamina and oral sex. She doesn't get paid exactly on a per session basis. I am sure she has had many guys pick her up from a club for free and she would be looking for a great fuck. Her type would be typically a lot younger, handsome and more muscly than myself. Would love to have met her 15 years earlier in her prime. She keeps coming back, for multiple reasons, sometimes short of money, sometimes short of a good fuck.

Just a few words on my own experience with social media. Last year in February I was for the first time in Thailand (BKK) and a total newbie and I still consider myself as such even though I have had 4 trips there since all with different experiences. The first time in BKK I used Tinder before my travel and had some good conversation with quite a few. Since I was travelling solo I found it to be an excellent way to meet Thai girls for the first time. A typical first meeting would be for a drink, the reason for this is if there is no chemistry it's a quick retreat. That didn't happen though. Then we could go for something to eat and to a bar afterwards. I have no issues about spending money for a good time, even if it should not end up with a happy ending. This was never the case though. And after the bedroom drill normally now late morning, I took the money up and was declined. All they wanted was taxi money since they have stayed later than expected and was in a hurry. For those of you senior guys here, you would probably say rookie mistake and I was lucky, and I would not disagree. My experience is from South America and the monger scene there, so here I'm a rookie learning to swim again.

The last experience I had was from Jomtien where I met up with some friends. Since this was a work related trip and only for a couple of days I didn't collect a lot of experience there. Well, we met up in a bar there and while I sat down with them I could sense that the bar girls could smell rookie blood. It's a long time since I have got this much attention from like 8-10 girls (only 2 of them that I found doable). Then out from no where a quite stunning girl came up, looked at all the girls and said, "he's mine". My friends looked at me and said with disbelief, what the F% just happen? They said this was the mamasan, and they have tried for a week to get her. Well, the drinking continued and the other girls still tried to get me, but could not get the mamasan out of my head. But she didn't show any interest at all, rather seemed quite cold. So by closing time I thought, well I wasted that night, nothing is going to happen. So we all left and since my hotel was in an other direction than the others we split up. I went around the corner and to the back side of the bar. And while I was walking up the street I heard a voice "Hi, did you forget me already? I looked up and there she was, the mamasan. We talked for some minutes and then she asked, where do you stay and can I see your room? Of course, I was like a kid on Christmas. Well, she was a firework and she stayed to late morning. And when I tried to sneak some money to her, she just looked at me and said. The only thing I want is that when you come here next time you promise to choose a hotel further away from the bar, I don't want the girls to discover this. So, my point is that even when you want to pay, some girls just don't want it. And just to make it clear, I'm pretty sure I'm not a 10 for the girls. Hehehehe. So that's definitely not the reason.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2310875]BB your post was a little difficult to understand, especially as a non TF or similar user. Maybe you were commenting on what other guys write about meeting girls via "dating" apps, who maybe trying to take advantage of girls rather than be taken advantage of, using the so called "dating".

I don't think we can put all guys in a box, the behaviour varies a lot.

I don't think ET's response was unreasonable, once I thought I understood it. The "losers" part could be just considered sending you up since you started that phrase. We are well use to ET having slightly exaggerated responses or takes on some issues, but not especially so this time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2310890]Many guys claim that girls met are happy to go fuck them for free. Its not clear to me to what extent they may have expected money and did not get it. However not all girls want to be hookers. It is possible for girls to be horny. One would have to do an extended survey of the girls to really understand the variety of their expectations, and even then they would not tell the truth. The smart ones that are hookers, will surely state their price for sex, and why waste time on a dinner, etc.
[/QUOTE]I use TF a lot. I prefer to meet semi-pros, who do it for extra buck and TF is one of a good place to find them (and I just don't like Thermae, so that's not an option for me). I had few of my best fucks, with the girls I met on TF. They are not the ones who do it 5 times a day like massage girls, and every night like gogo girls. And it's pretty easy to tell which girl is ready to accept money for sex, but don't do it often.

And I agree with you, the regular freelancers don't waste time with dates, and tell the price upfront, which saves everyone's time.

I only met one girl on TF, who I fucked for free, because she never asked and she has a lot of money, I think more than me. She was just looking for a fuck-buddy, and luckily I was her type. We meet every week, and she stays for night and leave in morning. Won't have met her, if it wasn't for TF.

P.S. : I agree with bb's comment that TF has many "losers" who wastes girl's times, but TF is still a great place for those who can invest some time.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2310890]...

I think guys that are unsure if their date is a hooker or not, should make an effort to find out, and have her refuse to take money, rather than assume she does not expect any.
...[/QUOTE]I have to say this is an issue that pops up every now and then on the dating sites; girls who come on a bit sexy and forward but don't make it clear upfront that they expect money for sex. And then it turns out they get VERY insulted to the point of blocking you if you so much as ask for clarification. It happens. Maybe girls like that are playing games.

But the uncertainty can go further. Case in point was a girl I met on Tinder last week. No mention of being a FL or needing support / money the way some Tinder girls will. She did mention she was unemployed and looking for a job. We carried on enthusiastic conversations right up until she accepted a date to meet for lunch or dinner and I dared to let her know I intended to take care of the costs of dinner, movie, whatever we do when we meet. Her being unemployed and all.

"Why you tell me that?! Why you pay for my meal?! Do you think I am bargirl? I not bargirl! Not every Thai lady is same!"

She immediately unMatched me. LOL.

And it has gone the other way a few times, too, where there is no mention of money, the girl insists on paying for her own meal and our taxi ride. Then on her way out after a night of sex I offer to pay for her transportation or anything else she needs and the girl says nothing except how she hopes we can meet again soon. LOL.

What do you do then? Hand her the going rate for ST or LT, depending on how long she was with you and risk her outrage for not seeing this night as the first on our long march to the marriage altar? Hand her enough for taxi and see if her facial expression fills in the blanks?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2310882]Was saying that guys are losers if they go on TF, Badoo, etc. Only wanting a free date for companionship or free sex rather than using the sites seeking girls for PAID sexual services.

Just my opinion. If some of you guys fall in to that boat sorry to offend you.[/QUOTE]BB, I wasn't trying to turn around what you posted to mean anything other than that. As far as TF girls being victimized by "losers" wasting their time goes, I also meant that there are probably as many quick and effective safeguards against that happening with direct P4P girls, FLs, on TF as there are in other options, even go-go bars.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2310783]I never use TF or sites like it but I've always wondered how many losers who can't get dates waste these girl's time by meeting them for coffee and dinner with zero intention of sex later or worst yet seeking free sex later.[/QUOTE]There are probably a lot of shitty guys on TF but the vast majority of these girls are not better in my opinion.

Before my last trip I spent a lot of time trying to find decent girls (I'm not meaning stunners, just average girls that look actually decent), and I spotted only very few.

Most of them didn't even reply, the cutest ones are only for premium members, and every thing else are garbage, bottom of the barrels in what Bangkok has to offer.

Finally I had 2 girls gave me their Line ID. Once I was in Bkk, I texted both of them, the first one read the messages but didn't find it worth answering me and the other one didn't want to meet up. So who is wasting whose time?

I deleted both of them. Most of these girls are very below average girls that act as if they were stunners. TF is worth the pain only for guys living there and having a lot of time to waste. You're wrong if you think guys are wasting these girls time, they just open their app continuously and reply to message once in a while. If actually guys were wasting their time, I think it would be well deserved.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2310794]Sounds like the Smooci program has leached into those TF girls' agenda; 1000 baht paid upfront on arrival and all that crap. Too bad.[/QUOTE]We all know that you don't like Smooci but to be fair, this 1000 paid upfront (in Smooci, not from the TF girls as in the post below) is probably to protect themselves from the many "losers" that they might meet.

I used Smooci several times and had never been asked to pay upfront by any girls (but never met the "independent" ones).

And frankly if the girls from TF knew about Smooci, don't you think they would make an account on Smooci and charge these higher rates? These TF girls are the bottom of the barrel and are completely clueless to what happens around them.

Hello mongers,

I wanted some action other than the usual Spa / massage places, so this time I went to a famous Beer garden on Soi 7. There was no bar fee or drink requirement, still out of courtesy got one drink and roamed around the bar, could not find 1 single girl I wanted to take with me, some time later I like this one chick who was nice looking and was the only one I was interested to take, but she was already chatting with a old white dude and would not even consider talking with me. I waited for her for almost 30 minutes (yes she was hot) but same cold response. By this time bar was almost closing so I left. I was now a bit thirsty so walked to nearest 7-11 and bought myself a drink. I was standing outside having my drink and all those ladies who were at the bar came to the same seven eleven and sat near me, still some perusing me.

Also there was this 2 chicks who were kinda hot walked by, but they kind of looked liked lady boy. Usually I am good at spotting them, but this was a tough one for me. So decided not to risk.

So now I walked towards soi 11 where I remember there were bunch massage places open 24 hrs, so but to my surprise they were not there now. So I called Uber to go back empty handed.

The uber guy had some problems reaching my location and there was language problem with us, so I stopped a girl walking by who I thought would know English as she looked bit upscale, to help me talk to uber, which she did perfectly and told me that he was in opposite soi and would take him 5 minutes to reach me. I said thank you to her. Then she asks me if I wanted her to come with me. I was surprised as she looked like noral shopping malll girl, I asked the price she quoted me 3500, I didn't even try to negotiate, just asked her if she will show good time and if she does BJ, bot were solid yes.

So in come our uber and we go to my hotel, she told me she works in pratunam mall during the day and she occasionally does this when she needs some extra cash. She gave me a awesome BJ, her tits and figure was awesome, did her doggy and finished with Anal. We chatted a bit, after which I don't know when we fell asleep. When I woke up, saw her leaving and waving hand. Was still sleepy so didn't get up. Later realized. Darn didn't get the number.

Overall amazing night of my life.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2310544]the price marked for the 90 min is always 3500 baht.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I didn't think I looked THAT gullible!

Last night I stopped in at Charoen Pharmacy on Suk between Soi 4 and the overpass for my visit supplies. It was almost completely empty, all the shelving units bare and pushed together. The counter where the magic blue pills live was still there and staffed, but not for long: They will be closing at the end of the month. It's been my go-to place for something like four years, ever since it was recommended by, I think, Syzygies.

[QUOTE=Oosik;2310941]Last night I stopped in at Charoen Pharmacy on Suk between Soi 4 and the overpass for my visit supplies. It was almost completely empty, all the shelving units bare and pushed together. The counter where the magic blue pills live was still there and staffed, but not for long: They will be closing at the end of the month. It's been my go-to place for something like four years, ever since it was recommended by, I think, Syzygies.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear you squandered four years. The pharmacy inside Foodland on Soi 5 is / was cheaper.

SL.

[QUOTE=Oosik;2310941]Last night I stopped in at Charoen Pharmacy on Suk between Soi 4 and the overpass for my visit supplies. It was almost completely empty, all the shelving units bare and pushed together. The counter where the magic blue pills live was still there and staffed, but not for long: They will be closing at the end of the month. It's been my go-to place for something like four years, ever since it was recommended by, I think, Syzygies.[/QUOTE]Is it the "big" one? Or a small one just next door run by some Chinese race Thai. I hope it is not this one closing.

Opposite the entrance of NEP there is one selling whatever you need.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2310087]How much is a customer drink? I am used to 160 to 170 Baht in Bangkok although some bars are cheaper than that for non-alcoholic.
[/QUOTE]I don't usually keep track of drink prices so I couldn't respond until I went out tonight. Skipped going out on the crazy final day of Songkran. I ordered the exact same non-alcoholic drink in the 6 bars I visited tonight. Beer and other alcoholic drinks would be significantly more expensive.

Walking Street.
Baccara 155.
PinUp 90.
Palace 110.
Panda 130.

LK Metro.
Dolls 95.
Kink 115.

So really a cheap night out if you don't buy lady drinks. 690 baht for 4.5 hours. Unfortunately, I always buy lady drinks.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2311025]I don't usually keep track of drink prices so I couldn't respond until I went out tonight. Skipped going out on the crazy final day of Songkran. I ordered the exact same non-alcoholic drink in the 6 bars I visited tonight. Beer and other alcoholic drinks would be significantly more expensive.

Walking Street.
Baccara 155.
PinUp 90.
Palace 110.
Panda 130.

LK Metro.
Dolls 95.
Kink 115.

So really a cheap night out if you don't buy lady drinks. 690 baht for 4.5 hours. Unfortunately, I always buy lady drinks.[/QUOTE]In many Pattaya gogos it is actually cheaper to drink draft beer, at least during happy hour, which they heavily advertise with signs held up by the girls outside the gogos, than non-alcoholic drinks. And some gogos, although they don't advertise it, have cheap draft beer prices on their drink menus, like Palace, which has (had?) a 95 baht draft beer on it's drink menu.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2310783]I never use TF or sites like it but I've always wondered how many losers who can't get dates waste these girl's time by meeting them for coffee and dinner with zero intention of sex later or worst yet seeking free sex later.[/QUOTE]Free Sex is an Oxymoron, it's never free. If you have a lady GF her needs out weigh the price you pay for an FL. All the cosmetics and facial masks and paint the nails and shampoo and conditioner and then feed her the same as we eat. Take her with you when you travel and then it really gets expensive.

I have had Ladies that have accused me of wanting free sex and I just laugh. Experience tells that a relationship with a lady lasts one year if it's good. I get tired of fucking the same lady after 1 month. Variety is the spice of life. It's in our genes and males are meant to hunt and kill and bring home the bacon.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2311113]Free Sex is an Oxymoron, it's never free. If you have a lady GF her needs out weigh the price you pay for an FL. All the cosmetics and facial masks and paint the nails and shampoo and conditioner and then feed her the same as we eat. Take her with you when you travel and then it really gets expensive.

I have had Ladies that have accused me of wanting free sex and I just laugh. Experience tells that a relationship with a lady lasts one year if it's good. I get tired of fucking the same lady after 1 month. Variety is the spice of life. It's in our genes and males are meant to hunt and kill and bring home the bacon.

RL.[/QUOTE]Just had a girl come to my room from dating site.

No long term messaging online, just came to my room (23 yo).

Fucked me like a porn star and left, didn't ask for $$.

Not even for transportation, great pussy for free!

I did a couple walking street bar girls for free, didn't even buy them a drink!! (both early 20's).

I didn't even ask them for it, I bought one breakfast.

And sent the other home because she wouldn't stop coughing because of the air con!!

I think guys say it doesn't exist because they don't want you asking for it LOL.

They want you to be the sucker that pays! Whilst they fuck her for free.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2310783]I never use TF or sites like it but I've always wondered how many losers who can't get dates waste these girl's time by meeting them for coffee and dinner with zero intention of sex later or worst yet seeking free sex later.[/QUOTE]I agree, if a guy can't get a date in Thailand he is a loser. The WG industry has evolved in a sense that many ladies that used to have to go to clubs or stand by the road, now have the social media to advertise their wears. They can sit in their room and set up appointments, not having to stand by the wall at Nana Hotel.

Personally I don't like beating the bushes for a lady although I agree that being able to check out the body and attitude of a lady in the bar or club has it's pluses. I have a bar I go to in Cowboy and I know the managers and the ladies. They trust me and always ask if I will take them after closing.

So lets agree that there are many roads to take to acquire what we want and that all have there benefits and drawbacks. I have met many ladies on TF that were great and some that were not. Such is life.

RL.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2311115]Just had a girl come to my room from dating site.

No long term messaging online, just came to my room (23 yo).

Fucked me like a porn star and left, didn't ask for $$.

Not even for transportation, great pussy for free!

I did a couple walking street bar girls for free, didn't even buy them a drink!! (both early 20's).

I didn't even ask them for it, I bought one breakfast..[/QUOTE]My apologies for not mentioning where I am!

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2310986]Sorry to hear you squandered four years.

SL.[/QUOTE]Hey. I'm an upscale, classy guy! No bargain boners for me!

Thanks! Would it be inappropriate to say that I'll think of you when reaping the harvest of your info?

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2311002]Is it the "big" one?[/QUOTE]After popping the pill it was.

Yes, it is / was the one on the right as you faced them, the one with two or maybe even three ways in from the street.

[QUOTE=Oosik;2311187]After popping the pill it was.

Yes, it is / was the one on the right as you faced them, the one with two or maybe even three ways in from the street.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

I use the other one.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2311118]I agree, if a guy can't get a date in Thailand he is a loser. The WG industry has evolved in a sense that many ladies that used to have to go to clubs or stand by the road, now have the social media to advertise their wears. They can sit in their room and set up appointments, not having to stand by the wall at Nana Hotel.
[/QUOTE]True, if you can't get girls to date in Thailand, you will going to have a very hard time in other parts of world. If you have little bit of game, and look little bit of fit and young (no need to be Chris Hemsworth), just approach the girls, no need for TF or other apps. Just for the fuck's sake, approach her, and what's on the line anyway, other than out ego. Most of the girls are happy to sleep with you, and if you will be nice to her (not talking about money or shopping for her) she would love to see you.

Saying that, yes, you need time for this, and tourists usually don't have this luxury. But free sex is always feels better than paid one, others can counter it by that her expenses will make it more expensive. But I have never paid for any expenses for my casual dates, other than dinner bill. I message them to meet, had dinner and then come to room with her. Then she leaves. I don't go with them for movies, and shopping spree.

[QUOTE=XRatedBangkok;2310881]Stambled on this video
[URL]https://xhamster.com/videos/go-go-bar-thai-girl-in-bangkok-very-big-boobs-silicone-11094327[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks. This video did nothing for me, but there was a great amateur handjob / BBBJ clip from a legit looking massage place. The masseuse had a great technique. Xvideo and xnxx doesn't have this range of amateur clips from Bangkok.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2311118]I agree, if a guy can't get a date in Thailand he is a loser. RL.[/QUOTE]I don't know what compels you guys to make remarks like this. Wish to look down on some unfortunate guys who don't appeal to girls for one reason or another? I am sure the assholes can still get a girl.

Seems similar to racist remarks to me.

You could easily just say that getting a date is easy. Very undesirable Farangs can get seemingly better Thai girls, although. A lot of people are looking for partners not by looks, so don't necessarily meet my specs.

Saw a video of a middle aged Thai woman who makes Youtube cooking videos and has a very much younger Farang guy. Maybe he fell for her cooking.

It is well known the girls in Thailand outnumber the men, and live longer, and gays and LBs diminish the man supply. A very large number of older Thai women are wanting to find a new partner, which could well be a foreigner. However they maybe somewhat racially influenced in their choice.
Many are sick of very unreliable Thai men that just run away with younger women. So the level of female availability is very high. Whether they are willing to just go for sex, in hope to hook the guy, I don't know. I don't go there.

I never had problems to get a Thai GF myself, rather the opposite, how avoid getting one accidentally. It takes a lot of determination. The only thing saving me from getting a new Thai GF, is having a long term one already.

Certainly I meet plenty of new pretty candidates, who are probably interested me mainly for financial reasons.
I. e. They don't know how they will support their child, or family etc.
Many young Thai girls don't have the education and means to get a very well paying job. This leads to hooking as a strong option.
And only percentage cannot do that. Having a rich benefactor is always highly desirable option.

Not only can we get a girlfriend, we can get one better looking than what we deserve back in home country. My mum met long term GF by video call. She commented after she was surprised at how pretty my girl was (she did not want to say "hot" as well I guess). However better looking than younger brothers wives, and better than my previous girlfriends easily. I don't to be having a long term partner where I have no desire to fuck her.

Saw the top plus-sized model on the internet pics. Stunning face, but body was just to big for me to contemplate doing (if had the chance). So have to hope my GF never gets to that size. Really big ass does not really work for me. I need the gap between thighs too.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2311025]I don't usually keep track of drink prices so I couldn't respond until I went out tonight. Skipped going out on the crazy final day of Songkran. I ordered the exact same non-alcoholic drink in the 6 bars I visited tonight. Beer and other alcoholic drinks would be significantly more expensive.

Walking Street.
Baccara 155.
PinUp 90.
Palace 110.
Panda 130.

LK Metro.
Dolls 95.
Kink 115.

So really a cheap night out if you don't buy lady drinks. 690 baht for 4.5 hours. Unfortunately, I always buy lady drinks.[/QUOTE]looks cheaper for sure overall. Is that for a glass or for a can / bottle, I forgot that my drinks are mostly price for a can or a bottle of soda, rather than a glass (non-alcoholic). So I guess I get two glasses out of a can, and I use reduced ice. I hate too much ice to weaken the fizz. And taste.

I don't always buy lady drinks. Has to a girl I know well or a new one that really interests me, before I bother. Exception is when I want to ask her some research questions, like "which girls are not Coyotes? How much is the barfine? etc."

[QUOTE=MissionBJ;2310932]Hello mongers,

I wanted some action other than the usual Spa / massage places, so this time I went to a famous Beer garden on Soi 7. There was no bar fee or drink requirement, still out of courtesy got one drink and roamed around the bar, could not find 1 single girl I wanted to take with me, some time later I like this one chick who was nice looking and was the only one I was interested to take, but she was already chatting with a old white dude and would not even consider talking with me. I waited for her for almost 30 minutes (yes she was hot) but same cold response. By this time bar was almost closing so I left. I was now a bit thirsty so walked to nearest 7-11 and bought myself a drink. I was standing outside having my drink and all those ladies who were at the bar came to the same seven eleven and sat near me, still some perusing me.

Also there was this 2 chicks who were kinda hot walked by, but they kind of looked liked lady boy. Usually I am good at spotting them, but this was a tough one for me. So decided not to risk.

So now I walked towards soi 11 where I remember there were bunch massage places open 24 hrs, so but to my surprise they were not there now. So I called Uber to go back empty handed..[/QUOTE]Uber has not been in business for over a year.

I couldn't agree more with you, when I mongered in South America bar and club jumping was the way I did it. Now several (to many years later) new technology opens new scenes. And no matter how careful you are either for the girl or the guy, the risk for a rotten tomato is still there. That is regardless of which method you are using. Looser? Well, who is who is not up to me to judge. I would say different strokes for different folks.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2310788]Not sure why you label "losers" for guys who like this method. Seems unwarranted. Myself, I just don't have the time for interest for pseudo "dating", and want to see the girls bodies before wasting time too.

Any method that has a good success rate for stunning fun girls, would surely be okay I have no clue what the success rate could be.

Bad guys abound, surely, but the girls would likely know that, and nothing can be done about it. Girls can refuse the guy if get the wrong vibe or just don't want to come to his location, more than likely. I may well get knock backs from girls in Thermae because Farangs in their have a bad reputation for being difficult, or are scarey, or are just too old and grumpy looking. Plenty of guys are getting knockbacks due to racial generalisation reasons too.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jim200;2311243]Uber has not been in business for over a year.[/QUOTE]In order to add this one line remark it is not needed to cite a screen length of the original message. Please use common sense when citing other board members postings!

[QUOTE=Jim200;2311243]Uber has not been in business for over a year.[/QUOTE]They are cooperating with Grab since 8th of April last year.

Chico.

[QUOTE=ChicoBarca;2312570]They are cooperating with Grab since 8th of April last year.

Chico.[/QUOTE]They have sold their business in SEA to Grab in exchange for a stake in Grab. Call that what you will.

Likewise in China they sold out to local player Didi.

Same same but different.

Chico.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2312690]They have sold their business in SEA to Grab in exchange for a stake in Grab. Call that what you will.

Likewise in China they sold out to local player Didi.[/QUOTE]

1. I landed in BKK on Monday night. Showered and shaved, then headed out around 11;30 PM in the middle of a torrential downpour. Good thing Thermae was right around the corner. Ha Ha. But never saw Thermae so quiet with so few customers or girls. No matter, I spotted a cute spinner in front of a table along the right hand side. She smiled, I smiled, small pleasantries. I asked if she liked to kiss. She said yes. Gitty up! That is how easy Thermae is. Nice girl.

2 a. Tuesday my Mini showed up at my hotel around 5 pm. We drank some high quality Mescal that I had brought from home. No worm in the bottle. 555. She loved the present I gave her: a Coach Pocket purse with Mini Mouse on the front. We boom boomed, drank some more and then grabbed a taxi to Rut & Lek in Chinatown. I was really plastered and so was Mini from the 3/4 of a fifth of mescal that we drank and the taxi ride was one big blur 555, but I began to pull myself together when I began eating. The food was excellent. I always like going to this restaurant and Chinatown is great, but it is a distance away from my normal haunts.

After dinner we went back to my hotel. Mini was still a little far gone and needed her beauty sleep so I put her in a taxi and waved bye bye. I will see her again probably on Sunday at her apartment.

2 b. As soon as Mini's taxi left, I jumped into another taxi and went to Patpong. It was around 11:30. Upon arrival I immediately went into Kings Castle 1. It was fairly crowded, but I have seen it much busier. Anyway, lots of girls, high quality line up of thin, natural breast, attractive Thai girls. A number of them smiled and seemed interested. I picked one over 3 or 4 others for no particular reason except I liked her smile and tight little body. I bought her a drink, we held hands, she rubbed my cock, yada yada yada. I asked her one specific question: did she like to kiss? Her answer was to plant a kiss on my lips with her little tongue protruding. Boom. I barfined her. But since I had left my hotel room in a very used condition, I decided we should go to a ST hotel. No Problem. She knew of one right around the corner. I had also forgot to bring my Sagami. Again no problem, she had. LOL. So a very nice tryst ensued. Soapy shower, BBBJ in shower, BBBJ on bed, DATY, DFK, and covered safe sex in multiple positions. After we exchanged Line ID's. I like this one and Plan to see her again. It was now around 1:30. Patpong was begging to close. I took a nightcap in Kings Castle 2. It was kind of empty, but I liked the look of several girls in this place too. I plan to start here next time I visit Patpong.

3. Wednesday heeded to Nana. Twister was my first stop. It was 8:30 pm. Not much going on. I say only a couple of girls on left hand stage were worthy of my interest, but they seemed preoccupied and did not really look my way. The girls on the right had stage seemed totally worthless to me. I hung around for a full rotation and I might have asked a girl over, but decided to check out some other bars first.

Next went to Billboard. The scene here was totally better. Lots of customers and the girls seemed to be in party mode especially the hot tub girls. I saw a number of attractive girls; 2 or 3 spinner hot tub girls with natural ta ta's looked real fine and a number of tall thin natural girls on the carousel looked good to me as well. But for some crazy reason I was captured by the looked of this blond, heavily tattooed, silly cone hot tub girl. Normally a girl like her would be the opposite of the kind of girl I go for, but for some reason I could not take my eye off her. Anyway she came over after her set and we went to a booth for more privacy. She was so tattooed, 555, and large silly cones on her otherwise very nice tight little body. I put my arm around her and she began rubbing my cock. I noticed her skin was very soft, yet firm, she said she was 23. Long story short: I asked her if she liked to kiss and her answer was to stick her tongue in my mouth as she continued to rub my cock. Boom! But don't get the wrong idea guys. She was still quite demure and nice too. I liked her and despite her full body tattoos and sillies I went for it with my eyes wide open. My theory is that sometimes you have to trust your instincts and go for it even if the girl is not your preferred type. You never know who is going to light your fire until your cock is in her pussy and you are getting it on. I have been surprised by this many many times. And last night was no exception. I had a real good time with my Billboard girl, we exchanged Line ID's and I plan to see her again too.

To recap: 3 nights /4 girls. All good. All fun.

Winners: KC1 and Billboard great bars with very good lineups. Honorable mention KC2. Apparent loser: Twister not a total disaster, but not as good as in it's hey days. Still there were a few lookers in there and I will return again. Holding off final judgement until then.

Hey guys going to BKK again soon, asked about big boob girls last time I went and did OK, but had to search a ton, which wasn't bad, but trying to narrow down my timeline this time. I don't mind going from bar to bar and MP to MP, but it just takes so long, so asking for help as I'd rather go to a lady that stands out instead of browsing for hours. The western places I go its so easy to find, but Thailand big boobs are always a tough one to me as Thai girls are the master's of faking boobs in pictures with the push ups (which makes looking on MP websites hard), and its just not all the big a thing compared to the japanese / kawaii look and such which is so popular, but boobs aren't.

Any suggestions for girls Go-gos or girls MPs with really big boobs, real or fake, DD+ or more type stuff. Would prefer not to go with a fat girl of course, but curvy is fine, really just looking for some big juggs for one of the nights I'm there, to mix in with the other stuff.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2312748] I spotted a cute spinner in front of a table along the right hand side. She smiled, I smiled, small pleasantries. I asked if she liked to kiss. She said yes. Gitty up! That is how easy Thermae is. [/QUOTE]Absolutely true yet guys on here make Thermae seem like an impossible pipe dream having to compete with all the Asians.

Thanks for the great review, Natty. Looking forward to the reading the rest of your BKK trip.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2312748]Good thing Thermae was right around the corner.[/QUOTE]Natty I seem to remember that you enjoyed similar hotels as I do price point wise. Where have you parked yourself in BKK and what do you think of the hotel?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2312748]1. I landed in BKK on Monday night. Showered and shaved, then headed out around 11;30 PM in the middle of a torrential downpour. Good thing Thermae was right around the corner. Ha Ha. But never saw Thermae so quiet with so few customers or girls. No matter, I spotted a cute spinner in front of a table along the right hand side. She smiled, I smiled, small pleasantries. I asked if she liked to kiss. She said yes. Gitty up! That is how easy Thermae is. Nice girl.
...[/QUOTE]So we're no longer discussing/negotiating prices with Thermae girls and they aren't bringing it up either?

Great!

Now, as long as the word "kiss" is universally accepted among Thermae girls (and go-go bar girls) to be code for "BBFS+CIP", then Thermae has officially evolved into a fantastic destination for hassle-free real sex for whatever amount of money we feel the girl deserves after the deed is done. (insert non-existant smiling and winking emoji here)

Thanks for the report, btw.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2312748] Apparent loser: Twister not a total disaster, but not as good as in it's hey days. Still there were a few lookers in there and I will return again. Holding off final judgement until then.[/QUOTE]I agree, Twister is past its prime (which isn't to say that it's impossible to find someone there). It might be worth giving the newish Geisha on the 3rd floor a look. They seem to be offering the girls a better deal than some other places, so a number of girls have moved there from their former haunts.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2312823] It might be worth giving the newish Geisha on the 3rd floor a look. They seem to be offering the girls a better deal than some other places, so a number of girls have moved there from their former haunts.[/QUOTE]Exactly what I would do if I ran a gogo bar. Offer top girls a better cut so I attract the best girls in the city.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2312825]Exactly what I would do if I ran a gogo bar. Offer top girls a better cut so I attract the best girls in the city.[/QUOTE]Be careful. You do realize your competitors have some pretty final solutions for dealing with those that don't play ball. . . LOL.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2312748]To recap: 3 nights /4 girls. All good. All fun.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2312765]Thanks for the great review, Natty. Looking forward to the reading the rest of your BKK trip.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great report NB. However, according to some members all this great reporting is either pure fantasy or the girls were dogs. Because there are no pics. Go figure! 5555.

Refer to the SSIT thread for the full lowdown.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2312823]I agree, Twister is past its prime (which isn't to say that it's impossible to find someone there). It might be worth giving the newish Geisha on the 3rd floor a look. They seem to be offering the girls a better deal than some other places, so a number of girls have moved there from their former haunts.[/QUOTE]BF at Geisha is 1000 to 1300 in comparison to Billboard and Butterflies which is 700.

At least at Nana, seems like Billboard and Butterflies have a better atmosphere and more people and girls. Doesn't seem like they have hotter girls just more of them to choose from which adds a bit to the experience while management at both places encourage the girls to be active. Twister on the ground floor was mostly dead and girls just standing around on stage which kills the vibe; Twister on the 2nd floor was fun.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2312997]BF at Geisha is 1000 to 1300 in comparison to Billboard and Butterflies which is 700.

At least at Nana, seems like Billboard and Butterflies have a better atmosphere and more people and girls. Doesn't seem like they have hotter girls just more of them to choose from which adds a bit to the experience while management at both places encourage the girls to be active. Twister on the ground floor was mostly dead and girls just standing around on stage which kills the vibe; Twister on the 2nd floor was fun.[/QUOTE]1000 to 1300 for BF? Man its getting rough in those spots. I mean its not that much overall at the end of the day, just that's pretty unexpected, maybe the jap trap is fully happening there. Billboard always seems better anyways though, especially the atmosphere as you said so I rarely even step into check out Geisha. I'd also put Angelwitch as a fun one, girls are good but variable there as its a smaller spot though.

She smiled, I smiled, small pleasantries. I asked if she liked to kiss. She said yes. Gitty up!

A few questions? Is there anything you can do do quantify her looks in any way? Foto? Age? BBBJ? BBFS? CIM? Cip? BLS? Rimming? DATY? What did you pay? For how long? How many pops? Kiss? DFK?

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2313076]1000 to 1300 for BF? Man its getting rough in those spots. I mean its not that much overall at the end of the day, just that's pretty unexpected, maybe the jap trap is fully happening there. Billboard always seems better anyways though, especially the atmosphere as you said so I rarely even step into check out Geisha. I'd also put Angelwitch as a fun one, girls are good but variable there as its a smaller spot though.[/QUOTE]Oddly enough, long time at Billboard, Butterflies, and Geisha is 6000. Of course, you can attempt to negotiate this down and many times you can. Just read an article that Stick release saying Geisha LDs are 200, but it was 170 when I visited just a few days ago and the LD shots were 200.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2312997]BF at Geisha is 1000 to 1300 in comparison to Billboard and Butterflies which is 700.
...[/QUOTE]A higher barfine in a Nana Plaza go-go bar has from my experience tended to indicate the girls are more amenable to at least understanding why the punter would expect more from them than the basic "lick around the edges (if that), cover up and proceed" fare. And they have been more amenable to agreeing upfront to provide what I have termed a "True GFE" and have been increasingly hearing on the ground from other mongers as "real sex" vs "safe sex". I am referring to BBFS+CIP or whatever else gets it done for some of us where standard, covered 'safe sex" will not.

It has been that way for me in several Nana go-go bars where certain supposedly Special girls require a higher barfine than others. Unlike many, most of those girls will not act shocked by the question if the higher barfine means the customer ought to get more or better service in this way. And that is a short step to them agreeing to it as well.

But that has not been confined to just the girls in such a bar who are commanding the higher barfine either. Seems the lower barfine girls have designs on joining the Special Girls Club too and have observed the way to do that is in making sure they get no complaints, good reports to the mamasans and notably greater numbers of repeat customers.

No guarrantees, of course. Just stating what has tended to be the case for me in two tier barfine Nana Plaza go-go bars.

I have not tried pulling from Geisha Bar yet.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2312997]BF at Geisha is 1000 to 1300 in comparison to Billboard and Butterflies which is 700.

At least at Nana, seems like Billboard and Butterflies have a better atmosphere and more people and girls. Doesn't seem like they have hotter girls just more of them to choose from which adds a bit to the experience while management at both places encourage the girls to be active. Twister on the ground floor was mostly dead and girls just standing around on stage which kills the vibe; Twister on the 2nd floor was fun.[/QUOTE]1st one vomited all over whilst trying to deepthroat me.

2nd promised anal didn't even get the tip in.

3rd one tried stealing money from me after sex.

I heard the closet door bang whilst I was in the shower.

I left the water running and came out quietly and caught her red handed with money in her hand.

And to make matters worse she got really shitty with me, I went back and told the mamasan the whole story, she just seemed really annoyed.

I'll never go back.

High prices.

Ugly girls.

I had some friends in town visiting so I took them to Cowboy and then Nana. They wanted to see as many of the better bars as possible so they could decide which bars they would visit again alone. After leaving Billboards we went around the corner and Geisha was closed.

The surprise of the night for me was Rainbow one. I hadn't been in there for some time and they had a very good selection. (I was drunk by then so it may have affected my vision).

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2313199]I had some friends in town visiting so I took them to Cowboy and then Nana. They wanted to see as many of the better bars as possible so they could decide which bars they would visit again alone. After leaving Billboards we went around the corner and Geisha was closed.

The surprise of the night for me was Rainbow one. I hadn't been in there for some time and they had a very good selection. (I was drunk by then so it may have affected my vision).[/QUOTE]Rumor has it the Geisha Bar owner has a problem paying his liquor bill on time. Or at all. But only a rumor I have heard and read.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2313124]She smiled, I smiled, small pleasantries. I asked if she liked to kiss. She said yes. Gitty up!

A few questions? Is there anything you can do do quantify her looks in any way? Foto? Age? BBBJ? BBFS? CIM? Cip? BLS? Rimming? DATY? What did you pay? For how long? How many pops? Kiss? DFK?[/QUOTE]No foto. I don't post fotos on the open forum and I don't post the names of my girls either. You don't need to have this info. I am very protective of my girls plus I have been burned in the past by pencil dicks who actually showed a girl her photos I had posted on the ISG. The Ass Wipe!

Her age was 22. DFK yes. BBBJ yes, that's (bbbj) standard with most girls. I used a condom for sex. DATY was available, but I chose not to avail myself for one reason or another. I don't go down on every girl I am with. I would sum up her looks as a young, no fat spinner, with a cute little face and smile, natural "b" cup thai tities. Very nice to look at, but not a stunner or model quality.

Here is what you should get from my report: That there are many similar, nice looking, regular, girl next door types in Thermae every night of the week. Most are pretty nice and will show you a good time if you treat them good. There was nothing really memorable about my girl. It was just a casual, pleasant little romp. I was 24 hours on a friggin' jet, bouncing off the walls, it was raining cats and dogs, and I found this nice little girl to take the load off. In 3 months time she will probably be just a fading memory, but a pleasant one.

Oh yeah, I paid her 2500 baht plus a small 200 baht tip. 1 shot. I don't have any idea how long she stayed, but she was in no rush to leave. THERE WERE NO NEGOTIATIONS! I trust my instincts and prefer not to negotiate as I feel it kills the vibe that I like to establish with my girls. Others like Mr Eih are free to employ a different approach. Whatever works for you. Like I said, this girl was a nice girl. She left happy. I was happy. The rains had stopped. I took a sleeping pill and the next thing I knew it was 7am. You ask a lot of questions. 555.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2313229]No foto. I don't post fotos on the open forum and I don't post the names of my girls either. You don't need to have this info. I am very protective of my girls[/QUOTE]I completely agree, I would never post a photo of a girl (or anyone for that matter) without her permission.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2313210]Rumor has it the Geisha Bar owner has a problem paying his liquor bill on time. Or at all. But only a rumor I have heard and read.[/QUOTE]I hope it's a temporary closure!

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2313286]I hope it's a temporary closure![/QUOTE]But bad hookers need to be exposed whenever possible!

If that isn't a feature of this site, there's something seriously wrong.

Good ones don't need unsolicited advertising.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2313280]I completely agree, I would never post a photo of a girl (or anyone for that matter) without her permission.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2313229]No foto. I don't post fotos on the open forum and I don't post the names of my girls either. You don't need to have this info. I am very protective of my girls plus I have been burned in the past by pencil dicks who actually showed a girl her photos I had posted on the ISG. The Ass Wipe! [/QUOTE]Totally agree with this. If a chic is cool enough to let you take a few snaps in a private moment then it should be kept private.

I also don't ever mention names or numbers in posts. Information here is shared so we can all learn to fish or get better at it- not to have a friggin fish put into our lap.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2312748]. I spotted a cute spinner in front of a table along the right hand side. She smiled, I smiled, small pleasantries. I asked if she liked to kiss. She said yes. Gitty up! That is how easy Thermae is. Nice girl.[/QUOTE]This told me all I needed to know. I seldom have seen a girl on the right hand side of Thermae that I would take. I didn't say never just seldom. I have been attracted to girls in the front, on the left and in the back but seldom on the right. .

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2313229]No foto. I don't post fotos on the open forum and I don't post the names of my girls either. You don't need to have this info. I am very protective of my girls plus I have been burned in the past by pencil dicks who actually showed a girl her photos I had posted on the ISG. The Ass Wipe! .[/QUOTE]On the pics yes only a low life will take or post a pic of a girl without her permission. Also a freelancer part time or otherwise who may wish to keep what she does private should not be named without her permission. If you are limiting not sharing to these I get it.

That said I don't get why names of girls working at oilies, soapies, go go's or as escorts who's chosen profession is known to all who care to know cannot not be shared. In fact I believe most girls working these places would dearly love a favorable review which in turn gets them more business.

With respect Natty what's the point of posting if it's not to share the who, the what and the where. Otherwise the forum just becomes a talking about myself, here is what happened to me or here's how I do it navel gazing platform. OK sometimes a good read but not much help otherwise.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2313298]This told me all I needed to know. I seldom have seen a girl on the right hand side of Thermae that I would take. I didn't say never just seldom. I have been attracted to girls in the front, on the left and in the back but seldom on the right. .[/QUOTE]I thought the women on the right were older ladies who are desperate. I've never inquired, but I would hope those women would be a lot cheaper than the ones on the left.

In general I agree with you guys about the girls on the right not being as nice as the others but 2 of the top girls I ever picked up were on the right hand side of the bar, one tucked away in behind the back table on the right side and the other was the very first girl near the front of the bar on the right side. Both amazing sessions and the latter I still see to this day even though she hasn't worked at Thermae for over 2 years. Dinner and passionate sex for 2500 baht but she has to leave by 11 pm to get up for work the next morning. Great deal for a hot girl.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2313344]In general I agree with you guys about the girls on the right not being as nice as the others but 2 of the top girls I ever picked up were on the right hand side of the bar, one tucked away in behind the back table on the right side and the other was the very first girl near the front of the bar on the right side. Both amazing sessions and the latter I still see to this day even though she hasn't worked at Thermae for over 2 years. Dinner and passionate sex for 2500 baht but she has to leave by 11 pm to get up for work the next morning. Great deal for a hot girl.[/QUOTE]No pics? Then it did not happen! 5555.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2312748]1. I landed in BKK on Monday night. Showered and shaved, then headed out around 11;30 PM in the middle of a torrential downpour. Good thing Thermae was right around the corner. Ha Ha. But never saw Thermae so quiet with so few customers or girls. No matter, I spotted a cute spinner in front of a table along the right hand side. She smiled, I smiled, small pleasantries. I asked if she liked to kiss. She said yes. Gitty up! That is how easy Thermae is. Nice girl.[/QUOTE]Great report, and that is such a good line when asking about kissing! It feels so natural, I'm going to have to steal that and use it next time, heh.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2312997]BF at Geisha is 1000 to 1300 in comparison to Billboard and Butterflies which is 700.

At least at Nana, seems like Billboard and Butterflies have a better atmosphere and more people and girls. Doesn't seem like they have hotter girls just more of them to choose from which adds a bit to the experience while management at both places encourage the girls to be active. Twister on the ground floor was mostly dead and girls just standing around on stage which kills the vibe; Twister on the 2nd floor was fun.[/QUOTE]Based on my experience, Crazy House have hotter girls but shitty atmosphere with super pushy mamasans.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2313364]No pics? Then it did not happen! 5555.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more.

Without a pic, it's possible she looked like this...

Can I ask what all this means?

I don't post the names of my girls either. You don't need to have this info. I am very protective of my girls.

Just thought I'd share an experience from around 2014.

Walking down soi cowboy towards T21 I stop for a beer in the last bar on the right, possibly western themed.

Girl named Rutta starts to chat to me and after a few tequilas she's practically swallowing my face.

She's cute, a little chubby but with massive firm knockers.

We leave and have 1 final drink at a cart-bar on the corner, traffic whizzing past, tourists all around and this girl is all over me in front of everything and everyone.

Motorbike taxi to my hotel and I disembark but the cuff of my jeans was tangled up on the exhaust pipe so naturally I stuttered and fell arse over tit into the path of another motorbike.

He didn't stop in time but did only minimal damage to my chest as he rode his bike halfway up my torso just catching my cheek and ear with his tire.

Back to the hotel she was very worried and we decided to go to sleep.

The next 2 days started with her checking my wounds (a nice big bruise mainly), bringing me breakfast and then performing perfect oral on me the likes of which I am now accustomed to but had never experienced before.

By the evening I knew every single millimeter of her body and she knew mine almost as well.

She only wanted to make me happy and kept asking what I want to do so when I ran out of ideas I asked her if she watched porn. She had but just a few clips so we would watch a scene or a movie on my phone and act out the scenes between us.

When we got hungry we went down to the little restaurant by the lobby, eat and return to the room to continue.

As I'm about to head to the airport I asked how much she wanted and she very sheepishly, reluctantly asked for 2000 but I gave her 5000.

Thailand.

[QUOTE=BlueKangaroo;2313396]Great report, and that is such a good line when asking about kissing! It feels so natural, I'm going to have to steal that and use it next time, heh.[/QUOTE]Can you deepthroat me? After I show her a photo of my boner on my phone.

Or can me and my room mate do anal DP on you?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2313364]No pics? Then it did not happen! 5555.[/QUOTE]Will send some to you on Line but I think I have sent you some of her long ago already.

Imo pics should be exchanged only to guys you know after meeting with them. Even then precautions should be taken.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2313418]I couldn't agree more.

Without a pic, it's possible she looked like this...[/QUOTE]Yes Smoothy that's what my girls look like in Jakarta because let's be honest that's what they all look like there.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2313423]Can I ask what all this means?

I don't post the names of my girls either. You don't need to have this info. I am very protective of my girls.[/QUOTE]Ever hear of Bro's before hoes?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2313457]Yes Smoothy that's what my girls look like in Jakarta because let's be honest that's what they all look like there.[/QUOTE]Wow, thanks for the info. Looks like Jakarta is a place to avoid.

Re Thermae, - I had never thought about it, but yes, upon reflection it seems that the right side of the place tends to be occupied by older, less attractive women (but I had a great experience from the right side, she was all the way up against the wall, but snuck out to sidle up to me.).

The left side, especially the standers. They're dolled up for Asian tastes. And I have rarely felt attracted to any of them.

Re Geisha. My last time in town I went in there several times but never felt a good "vibe" about the place. (for whatever reason);. I also distinctly remember that I was very underwhelmed by the looks of the ladies in there. I always had the best luck at Mandarin but when in there over Christmastime, the quality of the bargirls on tap was underwhelming to say the least.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2313463]Ever hear of Bro's before hoes?[/QUOTE]A point of male etiquette to be avoided.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2313472]A point of male etiquette to be avoided.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, all too often, the "bros" are less trustworthy and of lesser standing moral character than the hos.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2313312]
With respect Natty what's the point of posting if it's not to share the who, the what and the where. Otherwise the forum just becomes a talking about myself, here is what happened to me or here's how I do it navel gazing platform. OK sometimes a good read but not much help otherwise.[/QUOTE]The what, both good and bad, and the where is what I consider valuable and useful. I have no interest in the names of other punter's girls unless they are talking about psycho cases or thieves. I prefer to conduct my own hunt, make my own magic happen based on what I find and see when I am on the ground in the hunt zone. Of course, I share pictures and names with my friends, guys I know, and in whom I think we share a common ethic towards the girls. Ha Ha. But I am pretty sure my fellow punters like to chart their own course too and don't need my personal girly info other than to compare notes and see what each of us has been up to lately in the spirit of camaraderie.

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2313297]
I also don't ever mention names or numbers in posts. Information here is shared so we can all learn to fish or get better at it - not to have a friggin fish put into our lap.[/QUOTE]I think this states the case fairly well. What I want to know when I am not in country is news about some new bar opening or closing, weather the girls there are sexy or not or weather a bar getting is better or going downhill. Things like that that I can use. Thus I am very likely to go check any new bar or brothel if and when reliable BM's post about such an event. I really can't see how the name of someone's barfine helps me in any way and in fact it might hinder me.

But case in point, recently IMembr posted some news about Geisha Go Go. I found his post interesting and informative. I had never been to Geisha so last night I checked out the bar before meeting up with Syzygies in Billboard for a mini barhop. It was very early in the evening around 8:15. I saw a few thin girls on stage, but none that I had to have and I certainly didn't say to Syzygies, "hey man, you got to check this place out. It's amazing. " The mamasan was friendly and welcoming, however, and I stayed long enough to see a little of both sets of girls. My preliminary opinion was that the bar was not at the top end and not at the bottom end in terms of Nana quality. But I think I will hold off final judgement until I stop by again around 9 to 10 pm to give the bar a fair shot.

I will post a longer, more informative review of last night's action a bit later. I had a real good time last night and found another real nice, real sexy little girl who sported large, firm, soft, natural Thai tities on a very thin frame with particularly thin thighs and a flat little tummy. Me Likey! Yum! NO NAME / NO PIC FOR THE INTERNET! ha ha. Maybe last night never happened, but you can use what I give and find your own little cupcake or not. It makes little difference to me. It's always up to the individual.

The headline from last night reads: Rainbow 2 is the surprise big winner, Billboard receives honorable mention, and Angel Witch is the big loser of the night.

[QUOTE=Catire;2313474]Unfortunately, all too often, the "bros" are less trustworthy and of lesser standing moral character than the hos.[/QUOTE]Sad but true.

You can never take anything you read on any board to be the truth. As an example the other day a guy on another Pattaya board told me that Lady Love gogo in LK Metro in Pattaya had the most girls in LK Metro. Having been to Lady Love in the past I knew this to be complete BS but to give the experienced poster the benefit of the doubt I visited Lady Love gogo the following evening. 6 girls on stage and 3 sitting around. 3 customers. Champagne gogo earlier in the night at 7:30 pm had 29 girls. What motivated him to post Lady Love gogo is the busiest gogo bar in LK Metro is beyond me. He had to know I was going to check and call him out on it.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2309086]The other night, I met a girl at Thermae to pretty much changed my perception about some of these Thai freelancers. I was first turned down by a hottie who was standing in the smoking area next to the wash sink in the back. She has been reviewed on here before and told me "no" that I was not her type. I went back inside and sat in the center island space so I could watch the bars. Plenty of Asian customers walking around. It seems that the cuter and prettier girls preferred the younger Asian males as my Westerner comrades were having not much luck. The very few Indians and Arab customers were worse off. I saw many Westerners having to settle for 3 and 4th tier girls after repeated "no's. " I saw one hottie, a 10 in my book, actually reject a lot of Asians, so I thought maybe she preferred Westerners. I approach her and asked if that is the case. She told me that she was not cheap and won't go for anything less than 5,000 but only 2 hours. I took her up on her offer because I thought she was sexy. Back in the room, her service was rushed and non GFE. No kissing and covered everything. When we were done, she gave me her LINE in case I wanted to meet the next day. She said it would only be 4,000 during day time. Looking through her LINE photos, I think those poor uneducated Isaan girls know what they are doing.[/QUOTE]Many of the girls at Thermae aren't Isaan girls. The Asian customers don't go for that look. It's much more of a farang thing.

And your pricey girl doesn't look like an Isaan girl either.

[QUOTE=Catire;2313469]

Re Geisha. My last time in town I went in there several times but never felt a good "vibe" about the place. (for whatever reason);. I also distinctly remember that I was very underwhelmed by the looks of the ladies in there. I always had the best luck at Mandarin but when in there over Christmastime, the quality of the bargirls on tap was underwhelming to say the least.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Often a new bar will start out weak in terms of line up and vibe and then improve over time. I think I posted the first report on Geisha Bar here a few months back and your more recent impressions seem to be the same as mine then. Same with Kazy Kozy on Soi Cowboy. I posted the first report on that bar when it opened, too, and thought it was just "meh". I don't believe I have seen a subsequent report on the place that expressed a dramatic improvement over that. Maybe I missed it.

Could be we are tapping out on the number of better than average girls that can play musical chairs from one go-go bar to another to improve upon their line ups. But I suspect that is again something that moves in cycles and will turn around.

[QUOTE=Catire;2313557]Many of the girls at Thermae aren't Isaan girls. The Asian customers don't go for that look. It's much more of a farang thing.

And your pricey girl doesn't look like an Isaan girl either.[/QUOTE]Well, most are Isaan girls that have had a lot of surgeries. Don't kid yourself.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2313472]A point of male etiquette to be avoided.[/QUOTE]I disagree. It's always bros before hos.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2313535]But I am pretty sure my fellow punters like to chart their own course too and don't need my personal girly info[/QUOTE]I would wager a steak and a 2009 Bordeaux that a majority of members would appreciate the who. Doesn't mean they don't or won't enjoy the search and you will find part of the exercise, that's how I operate myself. That said I still don't understand the reasoning behind keeping it to one's self but if this is how it works for you then that's how it is. Incidentally omissions not withstanding I enjoy your posts.

Was in Rainbow 2. There a lot of highly modified girls with silly hair style, not my thing. Few girls without nose jobs, but some nose jobs looked okay, some not. So we have "dolls", "aliens", No. 46 looked like a LB even if wasn't, one or two old, fat and ugly girls (how did they get to work there? Maybe good Japanese skills LOL) however there were also at least 2 or 3 quite nice looking girls for my taste. Natty got the best looker very quickly. I would describe her as like an Asian version of Danerys Targaryan with really magnificent natural looking tits and face vaguely reminiscent too. A nose job yes but a quite good one (not detracting). I eventually spotted an all natural Issan girl with good body, age 22 probably inexperienced (not good idea), not so white skin and cute small nose. Two schoolgirl like ponytails (one on each side). Obviously a girl more to Farang Spec. Her name was Phorn, don't know the number (I was thinking 22 but that was her age so that must be wrong). By far majority of customers are Asian so this makes it a very risky hunting ground for me.

Bought the girl some drinks maybe one too many, the vibe was reasonably good although not to lovey dovey standard. She was very chatty. A little bit Ding Dong kooky. Mamasan asked me to pay up front for Short Time. I said no, that would be the deal breaker.

She claimed to very hungry. Perhaps this should be a warning sign, so grabbed some food (I paid), even including expensive Durian. Back at my room was having a hard time to get her to get her shorts off, she wanted to see my big hard on. Crazy! There was no hard on as she was playing more like a monkey than sexy style. Finally she tells me she has a period and I even got to see the dark brown blood on the pad. As this indicates very late in the period, no red, I said fine, just go rinse up and we can do it anyway. I will ignore any colour remnants and I have very good gel to prevent chaffing. However she was totally unwilling, so had to kick her out with no money paid. She did not suggest BJ, but I doubt she would be good at it, and had braces. I already wasted enough on BF etc. She lived close by so as short motorcycle ride to get home.

Nice body but useless. Maybe I was lucky to save the additional payment. Will never known if she could have been good on the bed. Possibly has only ever fucked one or two Farangs. Never I good idea to take that type. Seems unlikely that RB2 would be a good hunting ground for me. Likely to be a lot more misses than hits. Went straight back to Nana to get an experienced girl, which turned out fantastic. So one miss and one big hit.

I did a walk along Soi Nana to see if there were any lookers. The stunning deaf girl I once saw was not there. None of the other girls on the SOI was pretty enough, bar the odd LB, and one tall girl Naam. Naam was still there on the return walk back, standing next to pharmacy stall in front of the Burrito stand. At least 5 ft 6 inches maybe more, and slim and good face for a 29 year old, almost no tits, but not an issue for me.

She was easily the stand out girl and several guys had approached her. I overheard a little when talking to one guy, middle eastern maybe with slightly dark skin, that she wanted 1300 Baht. No deal. Seems he wanted to pay less, yet she was clearly a cut above most on there. Was evident she knew she could get 1300 no problem. After a brief chat we agreed. I said I would a tip bonus on top of the 1300 if we had a really good time. Apparently I gave the right vibe of being a good guy, and she greatly prefers Farangs. She later said black guys scare her, East Asians never choose her, and Indians sometimes are not clean enough and are bad character mostly, particularly trying to negotiate for 500 baht sex or less. She is not interested in such negotiations and did not go fully into her objections.

In the room showered together. Her tits were tiny as expected and slightly saggy indicating having a child but fortunately no belly damage was evident. Very avid tongue kisser so that was a good start. Not shy in the slightest and admitted she likes Farang cock. No problem getting her to pop in the prelim DATY. BBBJ was a little average, not bad, but not exceptionally soft and slurpy and only moderate depth. A pass. However BJ is not my main thing. Excellent extended fuck in many positions, seemed happy to do extended cowgirl with her legs doing the work too.

I was very happy and she got her bonus. Immediately added to my repeat list. Naam turned out to be a Bangkok girl, not Isaan. Never seen her on Soi 4 before, but says she might be regular for the near coming period. Obviously needs the money right now.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2313626]Well, most are Isaan girls that have had a lot of surgeries. Don't kid yourself.[/QUOTE]Exactly, and that's why they all love these TV reality shows from Korea where we see a very ugly girl becoming kind of "good looking" after having done a lot of surgeries.

By the way all the Essaan girls don't have the same rough look (dark skin with a Essaan recognizable face), I've met plenty that cultivated their skin to become white with and had a cute Chinese or Japanese style.

What amazes me is the number of guys saying that their girls are coming from Chiang Mai. Every time I read this I doubt that more than 10 percent of them are actually coming from Chiang Mai. They say that because they don't want to be categorized as Essaan girls, and because in the Thai culture they often say that their most beautiful girls are coming from Chiang Mai.

And there is a high probability that the girl on that pic might very well be from Essaan also.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2313690]

In the room showered together. Her tits were tiny as expected and slightly saggy indicating having a child but fortunately no belly damage was evident. Very avid tongue kisser so that was a good start. Not shy in the slightest and admitted she likes Farang cock. No problem getting her to pop in the prelim DATY. BBBJ was a little average, not bad, but not exceptionally soft and slurpy and only moderate depth. A pass. However BJ is not my main thing. Excellent extended fuck in many positions, seemed happy to do extended cowgirl with her legs doing the work too.

I was very happy and she got her bonus. Immediately added to my repeat list. Naam turned out to be a Bangkok girl, not Isaan. Never seen her on Soi 4 before, but says she might be regular for the near coming period. Obviously needs the money right now.[/QUOTE]She wants your cock and she DFKs passionately. Yep. I can overlook a lot of other minor flaws for that passionate connection.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2313767]She wants your cock and she DFKs passionately. Yep. I can overlook a lot of other minor flaws for that passionate connection.[/QUOTE]I can overlook some flaws, but not too many and not too serious. Passionate ugly girls don't interest me. Fortunately I have some girls with bigger tits, so small tits is okay. I once used to do a Japanese girl all fairly good except for rather poor shaped ass. Surprised me I could overlook that. Can overlook Caesarean scars too if subtle. Train tracks hard to overlook. Deflated sag bag tits are hard to accept for me even I know is natural. Better if the tits are very flat and only slight sag, so not bags.

I listed all Naam's flaws that I noticed to make sure my review is fair and not exaggerated, however she is pretty enough not to struggle to get customers. Many guys were knocked back simply because they could not go to 1300 Baht. Ha ha. Easily worth it for me. Plus 300 Baht for short time Hotel and a tip for great performance. I forgot to mention her pussy was well trimmed very short but not completely clean shaven. Maybe a shave is due.

Pretty girls with bad attitude probably never get repeated, however some girls with lacklustre performance, were so pretty and such a great body, I gave them a 2nd chance, and in some of those cases the girls performed way better the 2nd time, just needing maybe the drinks to be leg openers.

So strange as it may seen, a girl can be non passionate first, but passionate second time. Always a surprise. May-lee at Crazy House was like that. Extremely pretty girl with great body. 2nd time with me was real good, after tequilas, enough to make her a regular, first time lacklustre. Unfortunately she soon left to have a baby, probably wreck her body, and never returned. Too young to be having a baby at 20 YO in my view.

[QUOTE=Catire;2313469]Re Thermae, - I had never thought about it, but yes, upon reflection it seems that the right side of the place tends to be occupied by older, less attractive women (but I had a great experience from the right side, she was all the way up against the wall, but snuck out to sidle up to me.).

The left side, especially the standers. They're dolled up for Asian tastes. And I have rarely felt attracted to any of them.

Re Geisha. My last time in town I went in there several times but never felt a good "vibe" about the place. (for whatever reason);. I also distinctly remember that I was very underwhelmed by the looks of the ladies in there. I always had the best luck at Mandarin but when in there over Christmastime, the quality of the bargirls on tap was underwhelming to say the least.[/QUOTE]The right side as you enter?

Come on dude, other than the first few oldies that like the first few seats at the corner near the TV on the right in the back as you are facing upon entry, the hotties are evenly dispersed throughout. But hey guys, what do I know, I'm only there 3-4 x a week between September and April.

So tourists and beginning kongers, here is your Thermae advice.

1. The chicks are scattered everywhere.

2. don't bother with any who wear anime makeup.

3. Believe it or not, the less flashy the dress, the more amenable to farang. Seems that the hardcore girls are the ones who prefer Asians.

And in regard to the last point, about 60% of the Thermae girls I did over the past 7 months I never saw there again.

As Kumbu already explained or rather gave a walk through in earlier reports about the scene in Tharmae, I won't go into deep of whole process. Once again thank you Kumbu for your detailed reviews.

Just a heads up for some misconceptions about this place:

1. Myth: only Japanese or Korean people are entertained. Certainly not I have seen other people from different continents.

2. Myth: Expensive Girls / girls have attitude: outgoing rates 2500-3000 max for ST. Which is reasonable. & of course you should negotiate from 3 K to 2.5 K, if the lady is not ready to negotiate then move ahead in the line there are many other options to choose from.

So coming back for my FR:

I visited this place twice, on the first day I just wanted to check on with this place. On the second day I picked up a girl name Li (something like that) we crossed our path near the toilet upstairs where you go for a smoke (the upper parking area).

{Fact: Just before I move ahead I would like to inform you that the lady charges for using the wash room!

So coming back from a smoke break again I started going round clock wise while completing the 2nd round I saw Li, went close to her & ask for the charges for ST & LT 3 k for ST 6.5 k for LT I gave her the my prices 2. 5 k for ST. 5 k for LT she was ready for the ST for 2.5 k picked her up & took a taxi from there to hotel.

It was easy walk to the room no question asked. (I was staying in Holiday Inn Express sukhmivit 11).

Once we entered the room we hugged each other along with some DFK, we then got ourselves into shower got cleaned up & jumped on the bed. I asked to give a BBJ but she denied & I was little disappointed. Then she puts the Condom & came in WOT position, giving me full access to the upper assets. After some time we changed the position to Miss. Here on she started to rush the action, came in doggy after 30 minutes of banging time. She went for the shower & got dressed up. Paid the amount & she gave a goodbye kiss before leaving.

Overall:

Girl: 8/10.

Pussy:8/10 (clean shave non smelly).

GFE: 5/10 (Little rushy).

Boobs:8/10 (little more then handful all natural).

Body: 8/10 (5.5 ft. , typical Thailand figure).

Damages: 2500 for 45 odd minutes.

One thing to be remembered: Make sure you make your requirement about the overall action very clear while picking up the lady from Tharmae.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2313535]The what, both good and bad, and the where is what I consider valuable and useful. I have no interest in the names of other punter's girls unless they are talking about psycho cases or thieves. I prefer to conduct my own hunt, make my own magic happen based on what I find and see when I am on the ground in the hunt zone. Of course, I share pictures and names with my friends, guys I know, and in whom I think we share a common ethic towards the girls. Ha Ha. But I am pretty sure my fellow punters like to chart their own course too and don't need my personal girly info other than to compare notes and see what each of us has been up to lately in the spirit of camaraderie.

I think this states the case fairly well. What I want to know when I am not in country is news about some new bar opening or closing, weather the girls there are sexy or not or weather a bar getting is better or going downhill. Things like that that I can use. Thus I am very likely to go check any new bar or brothel if and when reliable BM's post about such an event. I really can't see how the name of someone's barfine helps me in any way and in fact it might hinder me.

But case in point, recently IMembr posted some news about Geisha Go Go. I found his post interesting and informative. I had never been to Geisha so last night I checked out the bar before meeting up with Syzygies in Billboard for a mini barhop. It was very early in the evening around 8:15. I saw a few thin girls on stage, but none that I had to have and I certainly didn't say to Syzygies, "hey man, you got to check this place out. It's amazing. " The mamasan was friendly and welcoming, however, and I stayed long enough to see a little of both sets of girls. My preliminary opinion was that the bar was not at the top end and not at the bottom end in terms of Nana quality. But I think I will hold off final judgement until I stop by again around 9 to 10 pm to give the bar a fair shot..[/QUOTE]That's me. I religiously look for good solid non fantasy reports. I'd post more myself if there wasn't the lag time.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2313578]Interesting. Often a new bar will start out weak in terms of line up and vibe and then improve over time. I think I posted the first report on Geisha Bar here a few months back and your more recent impressions seem to be the same as mine then. [/QUOTE]Those were my impressions of Geisha 2 months ago.

I may get a chance to be back in town in a month, shall report back.

regarding Nyezhov's Thermae observations - completely agree with 2 and 3.

and I had never considered that girls would take the risk of fucking up their faces to make themselves more attractive to prospective East Asian clients. (but I suppose it makes sense)

anything "anime", girlie girlie related and anything that looks remotely plastic surgery is an immediate (AVOID) for me.. I don't even stop to for a closer look, much less a chat up.

Not even remotely interested.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2313790]The right side as you enter?

Come on dude, other than the first few oldies that like the first few seats at the corner near the TV on the right in the back as you are facing upon entry, the hotties are evenly dispersed throughout. But hey guys, what do I know, I'm only there 3-4 x a week between September and April.

So tourists and beginning kongers, here is your Thermae advice.

1. The chicks are scattered everywhere.

2. don't bother with any who wear anime makeup.

3. Believe it or not, the less flashy the dress, the more amenable to farang. Seems that the hardcore girls are the ones who prefer Asians.

And in regard to the last point, about 60% of the Thermae girls I did over the past 7 months I never saw there again.[/QUOTE]That back wall is a tuff crowd.

To me asian style= mercenary.

They have created monsters, in ac is see it.

In fkkland I see it, in tijuana.

They call them asian hunters in sharks, why? Because they are so mercilessly predatory.

The asian monger has created conditions to render himself the prey and not the hunter.

This is not a desirable designation.

I can walk down walking street and see one coming 100 meters away in ac.

Nice purse, as you say "flashy dress" not cheap.

Fresh haircut, usually high heels (***** face almost 100% of the time) never smiling.

They remind me of arnold schwarzeneggar in predator!

Somebody referred to them as demure a few posts back.

I see them as deadly serious.

They have a single minded purposefulness.

"They are on a mission" Must find a compliant victim (s)!

Like bboi said recently.

I will paraphrase him, in many bars in pattaya the hookers pick the men.

My point well illustrated.

Quintessential social inversion.

"Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast. " "If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't.

White rabbit.

"How did things ever get so far? I don't know. It was so unfortunate, so unnecessary. ".

—Don Corleone, "The Godfather".

[QUOTE=TiaMoman;2313899]As Kumbu already explained or rather gave a walk through in earlier reports about the scene in Tharmae, I won't go into deep of whole process. Once again thank you Kumbu for your detailed reviews.

Just a heads up for some misconceptions about this place:

1. Myth: only Japanese or Korean people are entertained. Certainly not I have seen other people from different continents.

2. Myth: Expensive Girls / girls have attitude: outgoing rates 2500-3000 max for ST. Which is reasonable. & of course you should negotiate from 3 K to 2.5 K, if the lady is not ready to negotiate then move ahead in the line there are many other options to choose from.

So coming back for my FR:

I visited this place twice, on the first day I just wanted to check on with this place. On the second day I picked up a girl name Li (something like that) we crossed our path near the toilet upstairs where you go for a smoke (the upper parking area)..[/QUOTE]2.5 k and no BBBJ? When she refused I'd have booted her with a couple hundred Baht. C'Mon. Guys, service will continue to decline as long as you accept this.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2313733]Exactly, and that's why they all love these TV reality shows from Korea where we see a very ugly girl becoming kind of "good looking" after having done a lot of surgeries.

By the way all the Essaan girls don't have the same rough look (dark skin with a Essaan recognizable face), I've met plenty that cultivated their skin to become white with and had a cute Chinese or Japanese style.

What amazes me is the number of guys saying that their girls are coming from Chiang Mai. Every time I read this I doubt that more than 10 percent of them are actually coming from Chiang Mai. They say that because they don't want to be categorized as Essaan girls, and because in the Thai culture they often say that their most beautiful girls are coming from Chiang Mai.

And there is a high probability that the girl on that pic might very well be from Essaan also.[/QUOTE]Exactly. It's hilarious that so many gals claim to be from Bkk or the north, but are really Isaan gals with nose and chin implants and jawline shaved. Thermae has some real plastic surgery nightmares.

You have to hand it to those Korean surgeons though. They can take some real tree climbers and make some beauties.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2313649]I would wager a steak and a 2009 Bordeaux that a majority of members would appreciate the who. Doesn't mean they don't or won't enjoy the search and you will find part of the exercise, that's how I operate myself. That said I still don't understand the reasoning behind keeping it to one's self but if this is how it works for you then that's how it is. Incidentally omissions not withstanding I enjoy your posts.[/QUOTE]Agree with you. I don't want to waste my time looking. When I have a good or bad experience with a new MP gal, I share it. That's one of the main reasons to be on the board. I don't enjoy reading tales when there is no name and place. It's not Penthouse Forum.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2313423]Can I ask what all this means?

I don't post the names of my girls either. You don't need to have this info. I am very protective of my girls.[/QUOTE]They're not "your girls. " They are sex workers. You're one of many. This board is to share info on them. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2313983]They're not "your girls. " They are sex workers. You're one of many. This board is to share info on them. Why post then?[/QUOTE]Touche Mr Scrot!

I thought he was implying he was their "protector"? LOL.

This post belongs in the ISG hall of fame!

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2313733]
By the way all the Essaan girls don't have the same rough look (dark skin with a Essaan recognizable face)[/QUOTE]Very true, I've known a number of very beautiful girls from Isan / Isaan who had had no plastic surgeries of any kind. Human variety is really enormous. I'm not at all skin-colorist (if that's a word), though, I really enjoy the whole package and how it fits together, though some beautiful girls have made me feel pasty in comparison.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2313983]They're not "your girls. " They are sex workers. You're one of many. This board is to share info on them. Why post then?[/QUOTE]Well, some of us are delusional.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2313790]T
3. Believe it or not, the less flashy the dress, the more amenable to farang. Seems that the hardcore girls are the ones who prefer Asians.
[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, the girls that are giving me the come on in Thermae, are not the ones I wanted. Often not slim and often very average faces. Often inexperienced with Farangs as well, even though they want to try. Dick scared types common. I have a lot of problem picking over dressed girls hiding their figure too. These are the problems of being too picky. For sure I would not be going for girls with very unnatural looks, however the very "best" girls there to my taste for looks, usually aren't interested or are restrictive and not fun.

So I can easily see the Thermae suits some Farangs, but not me these days. Just a very poor success rate. My recent Soi 4 on the street girl, who very definitely is into Farangs, was way better than anything I got from Thermae in recent years. I don't know if I was unlucky as well as wrong choices. Trying for the prettiest / hottest girl in Thermae is not a great strategy for me. Better to find a lovey / dovey attitude girl with plenty of Farang experience.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2313990]Very true, I've known a number of very beautiful girls from Isan / Isaan who had had no plastic surgeries of any kind. Human variety is really enormous. I'm not at all skin-colorist (if that's a word), though, I really enjoy the whole package and how it fits together, though some beautiful girls have made me feel pasty in comparison.[/QUOTE]Agree with both of you. Isaan girls can be very pretty. I don't care where they come from, nor if skin is white or tanned. My Mrs is darker now than when I first met her due to country life gets sun these days, where used to live in Bangkok and stay out of the sun (quite light colour originally). No big deal for me.

I don't go for broad faced Isaan girls (mostly) with broad noses or raised nose jobs, and sillies in the Oily MPs. Very few pretty girls found there. However Isaan girls can have smaller narrow faces with cute small upturned noses (not at all broad) by nature. My mother was stunned at how pretty my GF is. She never expected that.

Fortunately there is a big variety of looks. Isaan does have some hot girls. Chiang Mai actually has a lot of quite broad faced girls with square faces. I don't go for that look at all, the North does have some narrow faced girls as well.

I just don't care where a girl comes from, nor her age, if look good, etc. Evaluate the individual girl.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2313733]What amazes me is the number of guys saying that their girls are coming from Chiang Mai. Every time I read this I doubt that more than 10 percent of them are actually coming from Chiang Mai. They say that because they don't want to be categorized as Essaan girls, and because in the Thai culture they often say that their most beautiful girls are coming from Chiang Mai.[/QUOTE]More likely these Northern delights are from the Mae Hong Son region not Chiang Mai and have easily crossed the border.

If you have been there you will know what I mean by easily.

Many of these providers are Burmese. In my experience they say they are from Chiang Mai but further interviews reveal they are from "Mae Hong Son" which basically equates to their way of saying they are originally from Myanmar. Make no mistake they are very beautiful. I have noticed they are becoming more Chinese looking since my first encounters with ladies from this region, which is to expected I guess considering the amount of Chinese that now populate the area. Twenty odd years ago they had more Hmong features and were easily identified and were rarely seen in this caper. With the extra Chinese blood they easily pass as "a beautiful Thai maiden". IMO they are some of the most naturally beautiful looking women on the planet and tend to keep a slender physique well into their 40's as apposed to most Isan women who these days appear to get wider and dare I say it start to resemble the body shapes of the great white hippos in the west.

After coming to Bangkok & you didn't go clubbing, I would say that the trip is not that worth. Bangkok has one of the best clubbing scene & Insanity at Sukhumvit 11 is one of the crazy party people. Some fantastic music & awesome crowds, which starts pouring in after 11:30 pm & the party goes on till 3 am.

So it was just a 100 mtrs away from the my Hotel for me it was just hopping distance. First night I went I bit early like 10 pm & I was surprised to see only handful of people enjoying their beers. By the way the entry was 300 Bath which covers one beer. You can claim it by showing the receipt at the bar counter. Take you beer and choose a table to stand the enjoy the music. I preferred the last row or rear tables where in you can just move around & this gives you nice glance of the club as well.

As crowd started to pour in & it was full with regulars & newbie like me. I took my time to adjust a little bit & for to get the hang of it, as there were Ladies waiting for you to approach them & take back to the hotel. So the crowd was totally a mixed crowd right from US, China, Korea, Some Indians, beautiful ladies from the Uzbekistan, some European as well & of course local people as well.

The table ahead in my row was full of Uzbekistan ladies, smiling at me, giving all the typical looks as a pick up girl would do. One lady from them approached me in pertaining to light her cigarette, just before going back to her table we had little chat & she told her price for ST is 3500 bath. My counter offered was 2500 b to which she said 3000 be is final go price.

I hanged in there for a while just to check on little more music & my drink to get over. I finished my drink & asked her to come along with me. We went back to hotel & I had some amazing time for that night.

It was almost 12:30 am when hit the bed. She started giving me BBJ, oh man she had some amazing skills for BBJ. She was almost spotless with all natural boobs. She just had a little scar on her left thigh. But she was a wild tigress in the bed. Then I wanted to try out some Uzbek pussy so asked her come in 69 position. Oh man it was nice and pink & juicy. My fingers also had an opportunity to play with her holes & check the tightness of it. So once we were both were aroused enough! My Johnny was covered & she asked me to bang her in Miss position. I could see her all natural boobs shaking & bouncing to & fro. Then I asked let's try for some doggy style, this gave me nice rear view of the assets, spanked hard till it became red and my finger prints were all over it. To all this she responded very nicely, no attitude, no denial absolutely.

Last position was WOT where in I also asked to play with her pussy in between the action. Even she liked it. Finally after nice 25-30 minutes I was relieved of all the excitement in her warm & juicy pussy. We went in for shower together, nice DFK all the way in & out.

I was dead tired, she latter changed & went back to the club.

Overall:

Girl: 9/10.

GFE:9/10.

Pussy: 9/10.

Boobs: 8/10 All natural slight saggy.

Damages: 3000 Bath 1:30 minutes.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2313983]They're not "your girls. " They are sex workers. You're one of many. This board is to share info on them. Why post then?[/QUOTE]Wrongo.

For e. G. Escorts are not freelancers, despite the fact they can both be categorized as sex workers.

Even with escort type complete pros (with which I almost never partake with) I will only share info that the girl is comfortable sharing, because ultimately, all "reviews" aside. It all comes down to YMMV.

I might make an exception for a scam, rip off artist, and burglar. That kind of girl I am glad to expose. Good thing I've been quite fortunate on that front though.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2313733]
What amazes me is the number of guys saying that their girls are coming from Chiang Mai. Every time I read this I doubt that more than 10 percent of them are actually coming from Chiang Mai. They say that because they don't want to be categorized as Essaan girls, and because in the Thai culture they often say that their most beautiful girls are coming from Chiang Mai.
[/QUOTE]Yep. How many Nataree girls were supposedly from Chiang Mai or Chiang Rai? LOL Many did not speak normal Thai well enough, likely from Laos or Myanmar or even Karen mountain girls. Yes it possible from Chiang Rai, but Mae Hong Son and Uthai Thani etc. Are more likely. Some possibly from Isaan too. I never cared where they said they came from unless they happened to admit they were from Myanmar in some cases, which was more interesting. Still have contact with a Thai-Yai from northern mountains of Myanmar close to China more than 15 years after met her in a Soapy. She had zero English and funny Thai (somewhat northern style). She could not read or write Thai originally but can now (with spelling as bad as mine). She lives in Chiang Mai but that indicates nothing much. Very sweet girl but very immature when I met her.

A lot of Nataree girls were basically "trafficked" on contract with pimp managers. Hence they were generally not the happiest girls, not doing just as they pleased, and turning up to work only when they felt like it.

I had an ex GF from Uttharadit (close to Chiang Mai), but her looks were not that very different to some Isaan girls. Had a bad temper and extremely jealous, so we did not last more than about 4 years.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2314091]I have a lot of problem picking over dressed girls hiding their figure too. .[/QUOTE]Its a game for me, how hot are they under those clothes? Its like unwrapping Christmas presents, like expecting a Hwaweii and Getting a Samsung and I had some great presents in the 2018-2019 season.

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Goatscrot,

You will notice I rarely go into any details about my "experiences". Certainly never any "blow by blow" descriptions.

As far as I'm concerned I try to ascertain at least the "general parameters" of a potential situation / event and then calculate my potential odds from there, always knowing that my mileage may vary nonetheless.

And I try to provide at least general back ground and parameters in return. (for E. G. If I tell you I like the ambiance of a specific place and have had good luck with the ladies there, etc or even a higher than average batting average in receiving / satiating a specific desire, I am providing a service to the readers without breaking my individual confidentiality rules about most individual ladies.

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[QUOTE=Catire;2314401]You will notice I rarely go into any details about my "experiences". Certainly never any "blow by blow" descriptions.

As far as I'm concerned I try to ascertain at least the "general parameters" of a potential situation / event and then calculate my potential odds from there, always knowing that my mileage may vary nonetheless.

And I try to provide at least general back ground and parameters in return. (for e. G. If I tell you I like the ambiance of a specific place and have had good luck with the ladies there, etc or even a higher than average batting average in receiving / satiating a specific desire, I am providing a service to the readers without breaking my individual confidentiality rules about most individual ladies.[/QUOTE]There are many different ways you can divide working girls but the one in play here is those who want publicity and those that don't.

Those that don't should absolutely have their privacy respected but ask any girl at an oliie or an escort whose pic and details are already available on line and almost universally they will jump at any opportunity to have favorable reviews posted on any available forum. Just to be sure it should be mentioned to them beforehand.

Pics are a different story and most girls wherever they work will not agree to having compromising pics of themselves out there thus making anybody who engages in this behavior a low life in my books.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2314366]Its a game for me, how hot are they under those clothes? Its like unwrapping Christmas presents, like expecting a Hwaweii and Getting a Samsung and I had some great presents in the 2018-2019 season.[/QUOTE]I never really thought of it this way but I think that's part of the fun for myself as well. Sure sometimes I make the wrong call but most times it's the right choice. If I'm wrong it's no big deal. All I've lost is an couple of hours of my day and I can go out and select the next one.

EihTooms,

Yes even I will name girls to give them publicity (its only a common nickname), I will not quote any special services too far out of the very ordinary. My reports usually only show that a particular girl can do GFE (my type of GFE) and be fun for me, but not necessarily for the more demanding types of guy.

Girls that allow BBFS usually request no CIP, in my experience. This is more convenient to them in not having to clean up, and reduces risk of unwanted pregnancy a little, and maybe reduces some other risks slightly, I don't know. I particularly find that girls with teeth braces don't really want to do CIM either. Goop in the braces harder to clean out. I am not requiring CIP nor CIM, so no big deal for me. So realistically, for most of my reports, I would not even know if the girl is willing to do those things and if they would charge more for them, and I usually do not ask if the girl can do anal or two shots etc. As not that relevant to me.

I gave Naam publicity on Soi 4. However, honestly, she does not need it. Even with zero tits, she is pretty enough, and she admitted she has no trouble to get customers. So that is more one for the Bros, I guess. I know it is hard to find good fun cooperative girls on Soi 4, that do not want to rush the session sometimes. The rat bag guys probably won't take her because they want to pay 1 K. No clues if she does anal, nor whether she would do CIP for the right price. CIM seems likely possible but I did not take it or ask.

My specific reports are not frequent anymore simply because, I rely mostly on regulars, so I am not going to keep reviewing them repeatedly. Also some are not even generally available any more. My Lao girl does not work anywhere at present in a Mongering sense, and absent from Thailand as well. A review would be pointless. When was at Orient long ago, was better not to mention her specifically, as she was not a Thai citizen. Yeh, we don't know who reads here.

I do believe in YMMV a lot. Some girls either very poor for me or very non memorable were supposedly really good for others, and visa versa. I always found it very hard to benefit from recommendations of others. I have tried some recommended girls at times and usually disappointed or underwhelmed. We each have our different evaluation criteria.

Remember I wrote a review of good time with Pin at Boss Massage (maybe 1 to 2 years ago), and Goatscrot indicated a good time also, and in your case, you did not hit it off and she was terrible for BJ etc. Someone else had a good time I think and posted pics of her. It is hard to figure sometimes. However different guys, different requirements.

I think reviews of the general standard of girls at venues are useful too, in fact more useful to me. Reviews can at least make me have a look in a shop or bar. I guess I got one really great girl from Billboard for a while due to that. Sponsored by a Farang now so off the scene. Shit, I hate how quickly the really good girls get taken away. ha ha. Lost a very hot body nude dancing girl out of Five Star recently as well. So most of my girls specifically reviewed in glowing terms, do not last that long, at the venue. I trust my reviews are not causing that, however cannot be 100% sure. Ha ha.

[QUOTE=Catire;2314262]Wrongo.

For e. G. Escorts are not freelancers, despite the fact they can both be categorized as sex workers..[/QUOTE]Actually escorts are free lancers by any definition of the term. They don't clock in anywhere can work wherever and whenever they please, can set their own rates within the guidelines of an agency they may be signed up with or at whatever price point they choose on sites like Smooci. They can pick and choose their clients obviously not when a booking is made but when they meet them at the door or in the lobby. Lots of escorts in addition to taking online bookings simultaneously cruise the bars and clubs where I imagine your definition of freelancer applies.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2314386]Really, it just an exercise in self-gratification and narcissism then.[/QUOTE]I heard my name!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2314386]Then why bother posting about the experience here? [/QUOTE]This is a forum that relies on the good will of anonymous men from all walks of life. To expect everyone to adhere to your version of what it means to make meaningful contributions is fanciful, to say the least. Most of us give to this forum in our own ways. Some give names and numbers. Some give pictures. Some give long-winded, blow-by-blow accounts of every excruciating detail of an encounter (guilty as charged). Some give endless cranky comments about how the old days were SOOOO much better than it is now. And some give actual intel about never-before seen venues. But we can't all do everything.

So I think let people submit whatever they want and just take in the information.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2314484]I never really thought of it this way but I think that's part of the fun for myself as well. Sure sometimes I make the wrong call but most times it's the right choice. If I'm wrong it's no big deal. All I've lost is an couple of hours of my day and I can go out and select the next one.[/QUOTE]For sure one guy that is always happy never says a word gets all the benefits and can't see a thing and shoots off his mouth all the time the one eye wingman?

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2314556]I heard my name!

This is a forum that relies on the good will of anonymous men from all walks of life. To expect everyone to adhere to your version of what it means to make meaningful contributions is fanciful, to say the least. Most of us give to this forum in our own ways. Some give names and numbers. Some give pictures. Some give long-winded, blow-by-blow accounts of every excruciating detail of an encounter (guilty as charged). Some give endless cranky comments about how the old days were SOOOO much better than it is now. And some give actual intel about never-before seen venues. But we can't all do everything.

So I think let people submit whatever they want and just take in the information.[/QUOTE]This is spot on. Personally, I come to the forum to read first hand accounts of every bodies latest antics and share detailed reports in return. Although I almost always post names I don't care if others do. I still enjoy reading the adventures. And the better the story, the more fun to read (looking at you Kumbu). This is why I come to Patts and Bangkok forums. Lively, interesting stuff going on daily, even though it's been a while for me to visit personally. (Coming soon!) In contrast the German FKK Lounge has spiraled off into whose Working Girl Psych degree is bigger and Captain69 is like a fucking tomb.

So keep on fucking and keep on writing about it! Please!

For those that enjoy reading detailed FRs, mine are spread out in the Brazil, London, Swiss, Austria, Shanghai, and Tokyo forums (oh and a real laugh in Taipei). FR enthusiasts PM me and I will send some "around the world" buffet.

Cute skinny deaf girl on Soi 4 refused me again today even as I approached. Then she showed me 1500 and 300 for Hotel on her phone. I nodded in approval. Yes no problem. Then she points to her friend, trying to FOB me on to another girl. I try to find where the problem is, and she types 18 on her phone. Not clear to me if she is 18 or not yet. However she seems to using her looks to pull guys over and then introduce them to the other deaf girls. Several of them there today. I will have to look another extended time to see if she ever goes with a guy or not. I will have my messages prepared on phone for next time.

Ended up taking a 20 YO from 5 Star, Waew. I have taken her before and first time was only moderate session, however I had the sense to know the problem was with me and not with her. 2nd time was fabulously good. Really nice GFE. Even nice soft slurpy BBBJ, at least 8 points. Did not CIM because I still wanted to fuck and we did several positions, all really good. She has lost weight since the first time and since I like slim, she is so much prettier now. Small tits saggy to be forgiven. Brownish skin typical Buri Ram girl but pretty for me. No surgeries. Great high ass, and very beautiful looking pussy, just landing strip up top.

Actually a number of the slimmer girls in there dancing nude were doable for me. More than one dancing a bit raunchy to show off the pussy.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2314723]Cute skinny deaf girl on Soi 4 refused me again today even as I approached. Then she showed me 1500 and 300 for Hotel on her phone. I nodded in approval. Yes no problem. Then she points to her friend, trying to FOB me on to another girl. I try to find where the problem is, and she types 18 on her phone. Not clear to me if she is 18 or not yet. However she seems to using her looks to pull guys over and then introduce them to the other deaf girls. Several of them there today. I will have to look another extended time to see if she ever goes with a guy or not. I will have my messages prepared on phone for next time.[/QUOTE]Is she heavily tattooed? I observed a mute in 4 doing a similar routine. She was very skinny, cute, was wearing cut off shorts and a vest. I did not approach her.

Checked out L's near Kasalong. I've been seeing this girl named Fah. She's short about 5'0. Despite that I've had some awesome head with her. I come often to BKK and each time I've seen her. All sessions end with a big load on her cute face. Anyone experienced her yet?

Had a few beers in Cowboy while watching the circus roll by. Spent some time in Lighthouse watching the bored dancers and then strolled down Soi 23 to check out the MP's. These ladies must be starving. They were so aggressive to get a customer, grabbing my arms and even saying good suck cook and fuck. I've never heard this before. It appeared that there were no customers around.

One pretty lady caught my eye and she was very sexy and even offered a discount massage. 300 thb 1 hour oil massage. So I weakened and said ok. We showered and went to the room. She took off her top to show some nice size tits. Then started the massage while talking about her life and how was my life etc. I rolled over and sat up to give her a kiss and we started some DFK long and deep. She became excited as I took off her skirt pant and started kissing her tummy and legs. She opened her legs and I went right in to lick her sweet pussy. She loved it and gave me a BBBJ.

Soon after she turned and mounted me reverse CG and we started a great round of fucking. Ask me not to cum in her pussy and I finished on her chest. I have never had service complete like this in an MP. She ask for my phone and if I had line. Put her line in and said she wanted to come to my room for the next session. She then asked for a little money for her kids in Issan. I gave 2000 thb and she was very happy. Never requested a condom and never discussed price. She is a pretty lady a little pimpui but nice body and she really like to fuck.

Thailand is a blessing, "so little time, so many women", I have to look up who said that, but he must have been in Thailand.

RL.

[QUOTE=JonniDarkko;2314800]Checked out L's near Kasalong. I've been seeing this girl named Fah. She's short about 5'0. Despite that I've had some awesome head with her. I come often to BKK and each time I've seen her. All sessions end with a big load on her cute face. Anyone experienced her yet?[/QUOTE]Ah, do the L's girls do facials? I've never asked, but always thought that would be a nice finish!

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2314556]I heard my name!

This is a forum that relies on the good will of anonymous men from all walks of life. To expect everyone to adhere to your version of what it means to make meaningful contributions is fanciful, to say the least. Most of us give to this forum in our own ways. Some give names and numbers. Some give pictures. Some give long-winded, blow-by-blow accounts of every excruciating detail of an encounter (guilty as charged). Some give endless cranky comments about how the old days were SOOOO much better than it is now. And some give actual intel about never-before seen venues. But we can't all do everything.

So I think let people submit whatever they want and just take in the information.[/QUOTE]100% agreed. Sometimes it's nice to read about an adventure another punter had, especially if you're toiling away at work and looking forward to your next holiday.

Wonderful Mongers in the Paradise of mongering.

I will be visiting Thailand in the month of July and an looking forward to this trip. Having spent the last month or so reading the posts in this forum, I must say that some of the experiences that I have read about made me want to advance my ticket and get there immediately, but if only my job would permit me to do so.

An Indian, and proud about it, yet ashamed that my fellow countrymen have created such a bad reputation for us. Having lived in LOS Angeles for about 8 years of my life, I can say I have had my fair share of experiences, but none in Thailand. All men at some point misbehave, but there are so many Indians, if one were to logically look at ratio, then we'd be fine, but hey I can't ask for so much.

Anyways, getting to the point. Read that some places don't let men enter or women reject Indians, this is going to be not just fun, but challenging as well to break the ice and do my bit in helping to change the messed up reputation that we have.

Kumbu. Special mention as I enjoyed reading your reports.

Regards.

Sid.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2314723]Cute skinny deaf girl on Soi 4 refused me again today even as I approached. Then she showed me 1500 and 300 for Hotel on her phone. I nodded in approval. Yes no problem. Then she points to her friend, trying to FOB me on to another girl. I try to find where the problem is, and she types 18 on her phone. Not clear to me if she is 18 or not yet. However she seems to using her looks to pull guys over and then introduce them to the other deaf girls. Several of them there today. I will have to look another extended time to see if she ever goes with a guy or not. I will have my messages prepared on phone for next time.

Ended up taking a 20 YO from 5 Star, Waew. I have taken her before and first time was only moderate session, however I had the sense to know the problem was with me and not with her. 2nd time was fabulously good. Really nice GFE. Even nice soft slurpy BBBJ, at least 8 points. Did not CIM because I still wanted to fuck and we did several positions, all really good. She has lost weight since the first time and since I like slim, she is so much prettier now. Small tits saggy to be forgiven. Brownish skin typical Buri Ram girl but pretty for me. No surgeries. Great high ass, and very beautiful looking pussy, just landing strip up top.

Actually a number of the slimmer girls in there dancing nude were doable for me. More than one dancing a bit raunchy to show off the pussy.[/QUOTE]During my last visit, I asked her she said 1200, I said OK and said my hotel was just behind let's go, she then proposed her friend or we go to a different hotel. I was in that area for few days and I saw her standing in the same place and I don't think she went with anyone.

[QUOTE=JonniDarkko;2314800]Checked out L's near Kasalong. I've been seeing this girl named Fah. She's short about 5'0. Despite that I've had some awesome head with her. I come often to BKK and each time I've seen her. All sessions end with a big load on her cute face. Anyone experienced her yet?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, but it makes me wonder, if she's your regular and you have a good time with her, why do you care if other people have experienced her? Why would that matter?

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2314879]
Thailand is a blessing, "so little time, so many women", I have to look up who said that, but he must have been in Thailand.

RL.[/QUOTE]The number of older women or single mothers looking for a western man in Thailand must be astronomical. I get so many requests to help find a man for the girl. All my really good guy buddies are married already, so I can't help.

Thai women do outnumber the men (real men) considerably, even excluding the Toms. On MRT today, looked like 75% of passengers were women, and the men 25% includes the foreign tourists.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2314974]Thanks for the report, but it makes me wonder, if she's your regular and you have a good time with her, why do you care if other people have experienced her? Why would that matter?[/QUOTE]For his first time report, a bit strange really. Definitely fishing! Your comment was a little bit subtle. Ha ha.

[QUOTE=JonniDarkko;2314800]She's short about 5'0. Despite that I've had some awesome head with her. [/QUOTE]Confusing comment. Do taller girls generally give better BJ and you were surprised a short girl gave a good BJ? I can't see how it's a factor unless you're in 69 position or you're super tall and she was on her knees.

I'm am experienced monger in the state of HI. I go to BKK a lot and just wanted to share a few experiences. So far I've hit up all of Nana Plaza, Patpong, Soi Cowboy, Soi 6 Pattaya, 7 Heaven, Tulip, Wood Bar, Snow White. My list goes on and on. Out of all these places the aforementioned and Star of Light are definitely the best experiences I've had. If I was a shill would I type so eloquently LOL.

Just go see her for yourself. Probably the cutest chick there at the moment.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2314990]The number of older women or single mothers looking for a western man in Thailand must be astronomical. I get so many requests to help find a man for the girl. All my really good guy buddies are married already, so I can't help.

Thai women do outnumber the men (real men) considerably, even excluding the Toms. On MRT today, looked like 75% of passengers were women, and the men 25% includes the foreign tourists.[/QUOTE]Wow that sounds low.

As a generalization women use public transportation way more than men.

Then minorities (USA).

Then tourists.

There are exceptions of course, places where public transport is very popular like Moscow or the db in Germany.

I have spoken with many dancers in soi cowboy and nana, and have also observed many from thermae.

Many have said they use the public transport for work.

Some take bike home after midnight or the cheap buses.

I have been to major cities where its easily 80-90+% regularly.

I'm thinking Tijuana, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Diego, Miami, Montreal, Vancouver et al.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2315000]Confusing comment. Do taller girls generally give better BJ and you were surprised a short girl gave a good BJ? I can't see how it's a factor unless you're in 69 position or you're super tall and she was on her knees.[/QUOTE]Supposedly the "too tall" girls give head better, but I couldn't vouch for it. Saw a too tall one on the BTS last night. Great looking tits, considering. Softer looking than I expected and big. 5 foot 10 in flat shoes, broad shoulders. It had to be a LB, but not obvious from face and tits to me. Height, shoulders and hands looked wrong tough.

We feel relatively safer with 5 foot petite girls, that weigh 39 kilos.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2313163]A higher barfine in a Nana Plaza go-go bar has from my experience tended to indicate the girls are more amenable to at least understanding why the punter would expect more from them than the basic "lick around the edges (if that), cover up and proceed" fare. And they have been more amenable to agreeing upfront to provide what I have termed a "True GFE" and have been increasingly hearing on the ground from other mongers as "real sex" vs "safe sex". I am referring to BBFS+CIP or whatever else gets it done for some of us where standard, covered 'safe sex" will not.

It has been that way for me in several Nana go-go bars where certain supposedly Special girls require a higher barfine than others. Unlike many, most of those girls will not act shocked by the question if the higher barfine means the customer ought to get more or better service in this way. And that is a short step to them agreeing to it as well..[/QUOTE]There doesn't seem to be a correlation between higher barfine and type of service at the Nana Bars. Sometimes I ask about BB services myself and found this to be luck of the draw if I happen to meet a girl who does offer it without going over the establishment's barfine. I ask about the barfine before going in as there is no reason to get hassled. At Geisha, the higher barfine was for dancers with bigger tits. At other places, the higher barfine may be for a coyote.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2313172]1st one vomited all over whilst trying to deepthroat me.

2nd promised anal didn't even get the tip in.

3rd one tried stealing money from me after sex.

I heard the closet door bang whilst I was in the shower.

I left the water running and came out quietly and caught her red handed with money in her hand.

And to make matters worse she got really shitty with me, I went back and told the mamasan the whole story, she just seemed really annoyed.

I'll never go back.

High prices.

Ugly girls.[/QUOTE]This just sounds like you had some bad luck at this place. I had 2 girls here who were solid experiences. FWIW, I've had a similar experience to your's from a Billboard girl, but I won't knock the establishment because of a few bad apples.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2315101]There doesn't seem to be a correlation between higher barfine and type of service at the Nana Bars. Sometimes I ask about BB services myself and found this to be luck of the draw if I happen to meet a girl who does offer it without going over the establishment's barfine. I ask about the barfine before going in as there is no reason to get hassled. At Geisha, the higher barfine was for dancers with bigger tits. At other places, the higher barfine may be for a coyote.[/QUOTE]I did not mean to suggest that one reason Nana gogo bars impose a two tier barfine system is because the girls requiring one tier or the other more readily agree upfront to engage in BB. It isn't like the Anal side of the line in Eden Club on Soi 7/1.

I only meant what I said about it being "my experience" that girls working in two tier barfine Nana gogo bars have agreed to it upfront with me more readily than girls in bars without a two tier system. And that has been "my experience" regardless of the official or stated reason for the two tiers in a given bar; bigger tits, younger, no baby, prettier, whatever.

I realize your and others' experiences may differ.

And I can only report that being the case (for me) in Nana. That has not at all been my experience with two tier barfine gogo bars on Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=Siddarth1989;2314959]Wonderful Mongers in the Paradise of mongering.

I will be visiting Thailand in the month of July and an looking forward to this trip. Having spent the last month or so reading the posts in this forum, I must say that some of the experiences that I have read about made me want to advance my ticket and get there immediately, but if only my job would permit me to do so.

An Indian, and proud about it, yet ashamed that my fellow countrymen have created such a bad reputation for us. Having lived in LOS Angeles for about 8 years of my life, I can say I have had my fair share of experiences, but none in Thailand. All men at some point misbehave, but there are so many Indians, if one were to logically look at ratio, then we'd be fine, but hey I can't ask for so much.

Anyways, getting to the point. Read that some places don't let men enter or women reject Indians, this is going to be not just fun, but challenging as well to break the ice and do my bit in helping to change the messed up reputation that we have.

Kumbu. Special mention as I enjoyed reading your reports.

Regards.

Sid.[/QUOTE]You're all fine, don't even think or worry about it, you'll be around everywhere you want and have a great time. Most first timers don't stray too far from the big name MPs and go-gos anyways, all of which is good to go. Have fun.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2313578]Same with Kazy Kozy on Soi Cowboy. I posted the first report on that bar when it opened, too, and thought it was just "meh". I don't believe I have seen a subsequent report on the place that expressed a dramatic improvement over that. Maybe I missed it.

Could be we are tapping out on the number of better than average girls that can play musical chairs from one go-go bar to another to improve upon their line ups. But I suspect that is again something that moves in cycles and will turn around.[/QUOTE]Kazy Kozy was very disappointing. Agreed on that last line.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2313979]Exactly. It's hilarious that so many gals claim to be from Bkk or the north, but are really Isaan gals with nose and chin implants and jawline shaved. Thermae has some real plastic surgery nightmares.

You have to hand it to those Korean surgeons though. They can take some real tree climbers and make some beauties.[/QUOTE]Those surgeons are definitely talented. However, these Thai girls are going to the extreme with the pointy, witch jawline which I don't see anywhere in Korea or other Asian countries. Not a fan of the pink eye look either when it comes to make up.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2315000]Confusing comment. Do taller girls generally give better BJ and you were surprised a short girl gave a good BJ? I can't see how it's a factor unless you're in 69 position or you're super tall and she was on her knees.[/QUOTE]Small mouth.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2315140]I did not mean to suggest that one reason Nana gogo bars impose a two tier barfine system is because the girls requiring one tier or the other more readily agree upfront to engage in BB. It isn't like the Anal side of the line in Eden Club on Soi 7/1.

I only meant what I said about it being "my experience" that girls working in two tier barfine Nana gogo bars have agreed to it upfront with me more readily than girls in bars without a two tier system. And that has been "my experience" regardless of the official or stated reason for the two tiers in a given bar; bigger tits, younger, no baby, prettier, whatever.

I realize your and others' experiences may differ.

And I can only report that being the case (for me) in Nana. That has not at all been my experience with two tier barfine gogo bars on Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]We're just sharing information. I wish, and maybe is does given your experience, that the higher barfine meant a more expansive menu. It'd certainly make things easier.

Hi all,

I'm going to be in Bangkok in June and I wanted to ask where is a good spot to find black girl freelancers. Of course I'll be hooking up with Thai girls but I want to add a little variety. So if anyone knows of a good spot or place, please let me know. Thank you all!

Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=DemonDude;2315251]Hi all,

I'm going to be in Bangkok in June and I wanted to ask where is a good spot to find black girl freelancers. Of course I'll be hooking up with Thai girls but I want to add a little variety. So if anyone knows of a good spot or place, please let me know. Thank you all!

Happy mongering![/QUOTE]Try Sukhumvit road, anywhere between soi 3 and soi 7. 1.

But beware, there are girls with big hands and feets there also.

[QUOTE=DemonDude;2315251]Hi all,

I'm going to be in Bangkok in June and I wanted to ask where is a good spot to find black girl freelancers. Of course I'll be hooking up with Thai girls but I want to add a little variety. So if anyone knows of a good spot or place, please let me know. Thank you all!

Happy mongering![/QUOTE]African freelancers / streetwalkers generally come out later at night. Think past midnight at least. They like to sit at the bar carts to blend in. There are periodic reports of crackdowns on the African working girls, hence the low profile.

Areas to canvass: Sukhumvit soi 4 to the Ibis / Novotel, Sukhumvit soi 3 to the Grace Hotel, and on the odd side of Sukhumvit Road from soi 3 up to The Westin and T21. The Miami Hotel near Suk 15 used to be a bit of a hot spot.

Otherwise just keep your eyes open anywhere in the lower Suk / Nana area anytime of day. If you see an African lady and get the vibe that she is working, she probably is.

SL.

[QUOTE=DemonDude;2315251]Hi all,

I'm going to be in Bangkok in June and I wanted to ask where is a good spot to find black girl freelancers. Of course I'll be hooking up with Thai girls but I want to add a little variety. So if anyone knows of a good spot or place, please let me know. Thank you all!

Happy mongering![/QUOTE]Southern Africa.

There are very few African girls available in Thailand. I have just returned from a 3 week stay and I think I saw maybe a dozen African women and at least half of those were accompanied. Really, as has always been stated on ISG. If you want African go to Africa.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2315412]If you see an African lady and get the vibe that she is working, she probably is.[/QUOTE]I don't think I've ever seen an African lady in Thailand who was not a prostitute.

[QUOTE=DemonDude;2315251]Hi all,

I'm going to be in Bangkok in June and I wanted to ask where is a good spot to find black girl freelancers. Of course I'll be hooking up with Thai girls but I want to add a little variety. So if anyone knows of a good spot or place, please let me know. Thank you all!

Happy mongering![/QUOTE]RTFF. There are African girls at the cart bars on SOI 5, plus I have seen them at a restaurant on SOI Nana. As recently as April.

This Saturday to Monday will see the new Kings three-day coronation ceremony. Does anyone know if clubs opening hours or the buying of alcohol will be affected on any of these days?

[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;2315485]This Saturday to Monday will see the new Kings three-day coronation ceremony. Does anyone know if clubs opening hours or the buying of alcohol will be affected on any of these days?[/QUOTE]No wonder flights into Thailand are so cheap at those times. I was wondering what was going on.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2315247]We're just sharing information. I wish, and maybe is does given your experience, that the higher barfine meant a more expansive menu. It'd certainly make things easier.[/QUOTE]It sure would make it easier. Punters who want Anal can find it openly stated on offer at certain venues, perhaps with an additional 500 baht surcharge for it. How about BB on offer at certain venues with an additional 500 surcharge for it AND as long as the customer can show a recent (less than 1 month) negative HIV blood check document from Thai Red Cross? Lol. Yes, just a wish here too.

I can only surmise that my experience in getting Nana Plaza gogo bargirls to agree upfront to BB with me more frequently in two tier barfine bars has to do with those bars either knowingly or unknowingly instituting a Reward Incentive for closing more barfine deals with customers.

Whether the Special girl in the two tier barfine club gets a bigger share of the higher barfine or gets nothing more from it at all, there is a prestige associated with being among the Special girls in that club. Special girls in the bar probably get barfined more often based on an assumption, justified or not, that there is indeed something "Special" about them. Some girls who want to remain in that Special category and those in that bar who aspire to earn entry into it are more likely to agree to more and provide more to remain or get there.

Again, this is a perhaps inadvertant Reward Incentive program that seems to produce that kind of result for me in Nana gogo bars where the difference between the two tiers is somewhat nominal and where there is little or none of the no-sex Coyote barfining deal that exists in some Soi Cowboy gogo bars.

And I am also not talking about the kind of dramatically higher barfine for some girls in a venue that is obviously designed to discourage customers from barfining them for any reason, which is also a situation that tends to exist more in Soi Cowboy gogo bars than Nana gogo bars.

Today Wednesday went to NANA plaza. Looked at few of the bars finally settled into Billboard. It was around 9. 30.

Mama find me a seat near the bathtub. Girls in the bath tub were topless. Most of them had reasonable size tits.

Ask for a cola and enjoy the show for next half hour. There was no hassle from anyone to buy more drinks or pick a lady.

Finally settled on #28, Mai from Isan. A tall girl probably 5 ft 6 in with good size natural boobs.

She came over we settled on a sofa. Buy her 2 lady drinks and mama a cola. She was not a shy girl, she was fine with tongue kiss and she was rubbing my dick over the shorts. Deal was done for short time at my hotel. I paid the bar fine 700 baht and 500 baht for drinks. Off we went to our hotel.

Had a good time with her for next 2 and half hours.

Pay her 3000 baht and gave another 500 baht as tip.

These "menu" dreams are mental masturbations. Sure some girls treat it as a pure economic transaction offering certain "services" to all.

That's why you have escorts posting "menus".

With a girl who has choice. , whether to sleep with you or not. Will also exercise choice and options whether to perform or even try to perform certain sexual acts with you.

So no set "menu" will ever exist apart from the "core standards". What may be on the menu for you, may not be there for me and vice versa.

For e. G. I would be willing to bet that the "menu" offered to Mr. Tooms becomes different. Or shall we say expands after he sits with a girl and talks with her for a while, buying her a drink or two. Making her more comfortable, etc and or willing to try something she would be unwilling to try with just any schmuck that came in and pointed out #44 for e. G.. I suspect his hiv test and or his vasectormy also affects the menu that may be offered to him.

Menu may expand if you are a regular customer. Menu may expand if she has mismanaged and her money and rent is due tomorrow, etc etc etc.. Menu will shrink if you are over endowed, etc

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2315549]It sure would make it easier. Punters who want Anal can find it openly stated on offer at certain venues, perhaps with an additional 500 baht surcharge for it. How about BB on offer at certain venues with an additional 500 surcharge for it AND as long as the customer can show a recent (less than 1 month) negative HIV blood check document from Thai Red Cross? Lol. Yes, just a wish here too.

I can only surmise that my experience in getting Nana Plaza gogo bargirls to agree upfront to BB with me more frequently in two tier barfine bars has to do with those bars either knowingly or unknowingly instituting a Reward Incentive for closing more barfine deals with customers.

Whether the Special girl in the two tier barfine club gets a bigger share of the higher barfine or gets nothing more from it at all, there is a prestige associated with being among the Special girls in that club. Special girls in the bar probably get barfined more often based on an assumption, justified or not, that there is indeed something "Special" about them. Some girls who want to remain in that Special category and those in that bar who aspire to earn entry into it are more likely to agree to more and provide more to remain or get there.

Again, this is a perhaps inadvertant Reward Incentive program that seems to produce that kind of result for me in Nana gogo bars where the difference between the two tiers is somewhat nominal and where there is little or none of the no-sex Coyote barfining deal that exists in some Soi Cowboy gogo bars.

And I am also not talking about the kind of dramatically higher barfine for some girls in a venue that is obviously designed to discourage customers from barfining them for any reason, which is also a situation that tends to exist more in Soi Cowboy gogo bars than Nana gogo bars.[/QUOTE]Which other bars have the 2 tier BF system at Nana Plaza? I've only run into it at Geisha. Admittedly, I don't venture out beyond Butterflies (I like the red couches by the jacuzzi) and Billboard. I just happened to stop by Geisha just because of proximity, and the place managed to get me to BF a couple girls. Though this is probably why each of our experiences are different. I'm used to just a 700 bar fine, and just about a 50/50 chance for the type of services you seek. Well probably closer to maybe 2 out of 5. So from my perspective, it just seems like the luck of the draw for that though covered FS works for me too.

Speaking of Soi Cowboy, I stopped by a couple weeks ago for the first time in a couple years and maybe 6 visits to the LOS ago. Still can't get into it for some reason there. Stopped by many bars but only Shark and Cowboy 2 were fun for me. There was a time when I preferred Cowboy to Nana. Maybe it's the layered bar fine system there.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2315244]Those surgeons are definitely talented. However, these Thai girls are going to the extreme with the pointy, witch jawline which I don't see anywhere in Korea or other Asian countries. Not a fan of the pink eye look either when it comes to make up.[/QUOTE]Yes, the long pointed chin implant is quite off-putting. Some of the surgical results are just bizarre.

[QUOTE=Catire;2315601]These "menu" dreams are mental masturbations. Sure some girls treat it as a pure economic transaction offering certain "services" to all.

That's why you have escorts posting "menus".

With a girl who has choice. , whether to sleep with you or not. Will also exercise choice and options whether to perform or even try to perform certain sexual acts with you.

So no set "menu" will ever exist apart from the "core standards". What may be on the menu for you, may not be there for me and vice versa.

For e. G. I would be willing to bet that the "menu" offered to Mr. Tooms becomes different. Or shall we say expands after he sits with a girl and talks with her for a while, buying her a drink or two. Making her more comfortable, etc and or willing to try something she would be unwilling to try with just any schmuck that came in and pointed out #44 for e. G.. I suspect his hiv test and or his vasectormy also affects the menu that may be offered to him.

Menu may expand if you are a regular customer. Menu may expand if she has mismanaged and her money and rent is due tomorrow, etc etc etc.. Menu will shrink if you are over endowed, etc[/QUOTE]I agree with most of that. And the menu might also expand in bars with a nominal two tier barfine system that tends to offer a Reward Incentive for girls to say yes to negotiation proposals more readily in order to close the deal faster or more often, jusify the higher barfine being paid and earn their keep in the "Special girl" category. It has worked out that way for me at least.

But I don't agree with the idea that certain conditions tending to produce better results are "dreams" or "mental masturbation". I think they are real and worth applying to your mongering game. The conditions you listed after your opening statements are real.

If I were to say my (and probably your) chances of getting a notably above average Thermae girl who ordinarily has plenty of choices to agree upfront to going BB with me the night before rent is due, after the bars were closed for some Royal holidays and when it is pouring down rain outside, that would not be living in a dream or wanking myself. I believe those are conditions that can and will expand the menu and improve the chances of producing my desired result. Why not apply or exploit them?

Or maybe I have misunderstood what you mean by "dreams" and "mental masturbation".

[QUOTE=IMembr;2315244]Those surgeons are definitely talented. However, these Thai girls are going to the extreme with the pointy, witch jawline which I don't see anywhere in Korea or other Asian countries. Not a fan of the pink eye look either when it comes to make up.[/QUOTE]My GF has a slightly more pointy chin than average, slim face and slim little upturned nose, all totally natural, so no need for any face surgeries at all, in my opinion. Of course Thais see it differently, and say they need a taller nose, but why? I don't get it.

Very light blue, green or other light coloured contacts on eyes does look slightly strange on Thai girls. Can't say I have seen pink yet. Sounds rather weird, but maybe not as bad as the strange surgeries.

For me, many girls that had surgeries on face look worse afterwards rather than improved. Dropped various bargirls after their nose jobs or tit jobs. Looks definitely went downhill badly for my taste. Coloured eyes or hair rarely bothered me too much. So to me, shape is way more important than colour. I pray that high bridge and convex nose jobs will eventually become unfashionable. Coconut shell tits too. Ha ha.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2313172]1st one vomited all over whilst trying to deepthroat me.

2nd promised anal didn't even get the tip in.

3rd one tried stealing money from me after sex.

I heard the closet door bang whilst I was in the shower.

I left the water running and came out quietly and caught her red handed with money in her hand.

And to make matters worse she got really shitty with me, I went back and told the mamasan the whole story, she just seemed really annoyed.

I'll never go back.

High prices.

Ugly girls.[/QUOTE]Not wise to take drunk girls. Vomitting is a problem.

You don't state explicitly which bar you refer to. Can we assume Billboard? Fat mamasan is a bad person. Avoid!

You don't want to leave money lying around while you shower. Girls can be desperate for money.

One can get bad choice girls from anywhere. Does not really make the place a shithole. That is an emotional reaction.

It is all about the particular girl, not really the bar in terms of how she performs back at your room.

No bar has all really great girls. Its about picking a classy girl that can be fun. Not always easy.

What I would say, the success rate for Farangs must be better at bars where there are mostly Farangs and girls prefer them.

Get a fun girl experienced with Farangs who likes Farangs, or whatever if you are not a Farang. I just guess.

I had a very memorable lovey dovey pretty girl from Billboard. Was a big favourite while she lasted. Hard to find another one there so good, but may well be.

I read several reports, mentioning two tier barfine values. Does anyone actually explain why the two tiers? Is it just the gogo girls verses the Coyotes, or better girls verses the plain ones, or perhaps the higher priced girls come from the agency supplying girls? Or we just don't know what this purpose of it. If high BF, she better be damn stunning for me, and really into it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2315760]What I would say, the success rate for Farangs must be better at bars where there are mostly Farangs and girls prefer them.

Get a fun girl experienced with Farangs who likes Farangs, or whatever if you are not a Farang. [/QUOTE]I ask many gogo girls why they choose a certain gogo bar over others. Most common answer is they like the mamasan or their friends work there. When I get into more detail about why they choose a Farang bar or an Asian bar the more common answer is they are a girl that a Farang // Asian prefer so they work at that gogo bar since they will make more drink / boom money. It has little to do if they prefer a Farang over an Asian or vice versa. Of course if a Farang asks a girl which nationality they like they will answer they prefer Farang. Same applies if an Asian asks. If I tell a girl I'm from UK they will say they love England and want to go to London. I tell them to get lost after that since I am not from the UK.

[QUOTE=Siddarth1989;2314959]Wonderful Mongers in the Paradise of mongering.

I will be visiting Thailand in the month of July and an looking forward to this trip. Having spent the last month or so reading the posts in this forum, I must say that some of the experiences that I have read about made me want to advance my ticket and get there immediately, but if only my job would permit me to do so.

An Indian, and proud about it, yet ashamed that my fellow countrymen have created such a bad reputation for us. Having lived in LOS Angeles for about 8 years of my life, I can say I have had my fair share of experiences, but none in Thailand. All men at some point misbehave, but there are so many Indians, if one were to logically look at ratio, then we'd be fine, but hey I can't ask for so much.

Anyways, getting to the point. Read that some places don't let men enter or women reject Indians, this is going to be not just fun, but challenging as well to break the ice and do my bit in helping to change the messed up reputation that we have.

Kumbu. Special mention as I enjoyed reading your reports.

Regards.

Sid.[/QUOTE]Are you coming from India or US? If US, just use the most powerful aphrodisiac in world, money. Be generous and don't optimize for ROI like other desis. You will have a great time.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2315764]I ask many gogo girls why they choose a certain gogo bar over others. Most common answer is they like the mamasan or their friends work there. When I get into more detail about why they choose a Farang bar or an Asian bar the more common answer is they are a girl that a Farang // Asian prefer so they work at that gogo bar since they will make more drink / boom money. It has little to do if they prefer a Farang over an Asian or vice versa. Of course if a Farang asks a girl which nationality they like they will answer they prefer Farang. Same applies if an Asian asks. If I tell a girl I'm from UK they will say they love England and want to go to London. I tell them to get lost after that since I am not from the UK.[/QUOTE]I tend to ask more whether the girl gets lots of Asian customers or lots of Farang, or both. So yes clearly some girls are not Asian guy spec. However I do find there is a strong correlation. Girls that have mostly farang customers will tend to say they prefer them. Girls that have mostly Asian customers do not still claim to prefer Farangs, so much, however I probably would bother to put them on the spot and ask that directly. You are right their is no point to ask a question if you are expecting a bullshit answer.

I think girls often prefer what they are used to. Have to allow for variation of course, good guys and assholes. Definitely their are girls looking to pick a Farang BF or sponsor (or two). some want a Korean BF, or japanese, etc. Some strangely want to support a Thai boy. Definitely good to avoid these girls, unless they still enjoy their fucking work. Some girls have a Tom partner but still seem to get into fucking with a guy. Maybe ambidextrous.

There is little doubt to me that nearly all my regulars are Farang spec girls and these girls prefer farangs as well. Maybe one or two of my regulars could attract guys from any nationality at all. My Lao girl has quite light skin and quite pretty face (but no surgeries) so I think Asian guys could like her, if they go for slim. I first saw her sitting outside an MP, and was pretty enough to be a "must do" for me. Very non-typical of the the general girls in the MPs.

Clearly there are girls that prefer Farangs and girls that clearly like Japanese, Koreans, etc. So we have to try to discern it one way or another. Plenty of girls will admit to me that hardly any Asian guys would choose them. They have to be least very used to Farangs. So I say, a girl with very low Farang experience, is a huge risk for me.

Of course girls want to go to London, no negative points for that. They could maybe make big money as a hooker there. Much better for them there than the USA I would reckon. London is an absolutely prime desired destination. So seems you are just trying to be difficult, on this issue.

In soapies, I noticed that Thai men tend to prefer more voluptuous type of Chinese looking girls (too puffy for me) where I preferred skinny Thai looking girls. A do see a lot of Japanese guys walking with girls superior looking, than the girls walking with the Farangs, on Soi Cowboy for example. However I also see Japanese guys sometimes with the high surgeries girls or the Ladyboys. Farangs walking with girls, have fewer very pretty girls, probably fewer high surgeries, and fewer ladyboys as well. Many have girls that I just would not give a 2nd glance I guess.

So do Asian guys go for skinny girls with very small tits, or is tits a very important criteria along with white skin? Tits are probably least important for me for size as long as not horrible coconuts or or horrible sag bags. Nice shape is good, size not a big deal.

In 1991 it was much easier. Nearly all the hookers were well used to doing plenty of Farangs unless they were newbies. All night GFE was pretty standard. Number of girl failures was definitely way lower although must have helped that I was 35 YO, and easier to please back then. Must have taken plenty of girls whose looks would not be good enough for me now.

I expect that the girl I took from Rainbow 2 recently won't last, unless she survives on dancing salary. Most customers are Asian but she is not Asian guy spec. She is very Issan but not a broad nose, skin not that light. If she wants to be BFed, she might have to move to another bar and up her game instead of play around like monkey (probably not handle her drinks). Her body was really fine no surgeries. Basically I was scammed in that she announced the "period" at the last possible moment, when supposed to fuck, and refused to get the shorts off. Very fortunate I never pay the girl upfront. I did not think I specifically had to ask girls if they are having a period before BFing, and if they have a sponge stuffed up the pussy. ha ha. I might from now on. She admitted to low Farang experience, so I should have decided against her really. Low experience means they can't really know if they like Farangs. She was relieved I could speak Thai, her English was probably low to non existent, Japanese would be zero too.

Is important to discern which girls likely are a waste of time and money. I probably never ever acquired a favourite girl from a Rainbow bar. Maybe that is why I see very few Farangs in there. I did have some repeat girls from Baccara.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2315760]Not wise to take drunk girls. Vomitting is a problem.

You don't state explicitly which bar you refer to. Can we assume Billboard? Fat mamasan is a bad person. Avoid!

You don't want to leave money lying around while you shower. Girls can be desperate for money.

One can get bad choice girls from anywhere. Does not really make the place a shithole. That is an emotional reaction.

It is all about the particular girl, not really the bar in terms of how she performs back at your room.

No bar has all really great girls.[/QUOTE]I don't drink so I never take drunk girls!

I don't leave money around.

It was hidden in the closet.

My biggest problem was I thought I had a rapport with the geisha mamasan (I have spoken with her 10-20 x in the past).

And she seemed upset with me that I was complaining about this hooker trying to steal money from me.

Post-script, billboard has some of the rudest / most disrespectful bar staff (drink servers) I have ever seen in any brothel / strip club anywhere in the world.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2315762]I read several reports, mentioning two tier barfine values. Does anyone actually explain why the two tiers? Is it just the gogo girls verses the Coyotes, or better girls verses the plain ones, or perhaps the higher priced girls come from the agency supplying girls? Or we just don't know what this purpose of it. If high BF, she better be damn stunning for me, and really into it.[/QUOTE]In reality, it is probably agency girls vs girls recruited directly by the bar. But that is only a guess since I often do not see the difference when a mamasan says it is because the higher tier girls are prettier, younger, whatever. And only one mamasan ever said that. At Mandarin in Nana as I recall. Usually, the mamasan just shrugs and says nothing about why the two tiers.

Again, I'm talking about a 1,500 baht barfine vs a 700 or 800 baht barfine in the bar. I am not talking about a ridiculous 3,000 baht barfine vs 700 or 800 baht that you encounter in some Soi Cowboy gogo bars.

No matter. I don't really need to hear what they say is the reason. I only use the fact of it being a two tier system (700 vs 1,500) to work my BB requirement into the conversation. "So, what makes you so Special I have to pay a higher barfine? Does that mean you will blah blah blah for me?" That sort of thing. Insert whatever extra service one requires for those blah blah blahs.

Those kind of two tier barfine bars in Nana are the only bars where my bringing it up that way never caused the girl to flinch or stupidly over react to the question. Instead, I have had them turn to look me square in the face and say, "Just tell me what you want." I do and the answer more often than not is a clear and uncomplicated "Yes".

BTW, when the two tiers are only 700 or so vs 1,500 baht, I have not been pushed to pay any more to the girl either way. It has still been 2,000-2500 ST for the higher barfine girls as it is for the lower ones.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2315764] If I tell a girl I'm from UK they will say they love England and want to go to London. I tell them to get lost after that since I am not from the UK.[/QUOTE]I would buy her a drink because A. she knows that England is (a part of) the UK and B. she knows London is in England.

[QUOTE=Siddarth1989;2314959]Wonderful Mongers in the Paradise of mongering.

I will be visiting Thailand in the month of July and an looking forward to this trip. Having spent the last month or so reading the posts in this forum, I must say that some of the experiences that I have read about made me want to advance my ticket and get there immediately, but if only my job would permit me to do so.

An Indian, and proud about it, yet ashamed that my fellow countrymen have created such a bad reputation for us. Having lived in LOS Angeles for about 8 years of my life, I can say I have had my fair share of experiences, but none in Thailand. All men at some point misbehave, but there are so many Indians, if one were to logically look at ratio, then we'd be fine, but hey I can't ask for so much..[/QUOTE]On my last trip to Thailand I went to Soi Cowboy, I was allowed in most of the places, at Baccara the guy at the door stopped me from going in and spoke to me in a rude manner, I asked him in a calm way what the problem was? And he said "Members Only" and pointed to the street. I asked him how I could become a member, I asked him how much do I have to pay to enter and he spoke back in a rude way again. I turned away and headed to another place, not like it was the only place in Soi Cowboy. I then went to Tilac and sat outside and ordered a beer, I tipped the mamasan who brought me my beer. The manasan pointed to the door of Tilac and said that there were nice girls inside if I wanted to go in. And she then escorted me into Tilac and got me a nice place to sit. She also told me to tell her if I like any of the girls which were dancing on the stage.

If you go and spend money, be respectful of everyone at the place you will definitely be welcome to a majority of the places.

I also have a trip planned in the coming weeks. I will be visiting Pattaya and Bangkok for a week each.

Hope this helps.

TheTank.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2315658]

Or maybe I have misunderstood what you mean by "dreams" and "mental masturbation".[/QUOTE]We agree. I was merely talking about your ruminations of a preset "menu".

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2315770]I don't drink so I never take drunk girls!

I don't leave money around.

It was hidden in the closet.

My biggest problem was I thought I had a rapport with the geisha mamasan (I have spoken with her 10-20 x in the past).

And she seemed upset with me that I was complaining about this hooker trying to steal money from me.

Post-script, billboard has some of the rudest / most disrespectful bar staff (drink servers) I have ever seen in any brothel / strip club anywhere in the world.[/QUOTE]She was about 25 tall thin.

Its very dark in there so I did not notice inside the bar.

But once I was on top of her missionary I noticed a scar on her mouth.

It could be from anything.

It shocked me I didn't notice in the bar, but she knew how to hide it.

But it could have been a minor cleft palate repair?

Or somebody smashed her in the mouth with a beer mug for stealing his money?

No name? Or number? That I remember.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2315760]Not wise to take drunk girls. Vomitting is a problem.

You don't state explicitly which bar you refer to. Can we assume Billboard? Fat mamasan is a bad person. Avoid!

You don't want to leave money lying around while you shower. Girls can be desperate for money.

One can get bad choice girls from anywhere. Does not really make the place a shithole. That is an emotional reaction.

It is all about the particular girl, not really the bar in terms of how she performs back at your room.

No bar has all really great girls. Its about picking a classy girl that can be fun. Not always easy.

What I would say, the success rate for Farangs must be better at bars where there are mostly Farangs and girls prefer them.

Get a fun girl experienced with Farangs who likes Farangs, or whatever if you are not a Farang. I just guess.

I had a very memorable lovey dovey pretty girl from Billboard. Was a big favourite while she lasted. Hard to find another one there so good, but may well be.[/QUOTE]What did momma do for you to label her as bad person? I don't know if we are talking about the same person but the momma that my friends and I dealt with was upfront, funny and managed our transactions like a professional.

Went to Soi Cowboy tonight Thursday. I went straight to Crazy House. They were charging entry fee for East Asians as well, the guys in front of me look like Japanese but they could be Koreans or Chinese. I am terrible at distinguishing these Nationalities even though I work with lot of East Asians back home. The door man wave me in, no entry fee for me.

Mama find a seat next to the stage. Ordered a cola and enjoy the pussy, boobs and legs on show for next half hour. No pressure from anyone to buy more or select a lady.

Finally settled into a 5 feet well endowed girl who was dancing with nothing on. She came over bought her 2 lady drinks and bought a cola for mama. She was from Chiangmai. I fondled, and licked her boobs and play with her pussy. She put my finger on her asshole and ask me do you like anal. I replied of course.

After a while ask her for short time she told me 3000 baht for her and 700 baht bar fine. She ask me to pay everything upfront. I should have said no but did not want to kill the mood so I paid. I settle the bill, it was 500 baht, by the way every time I order the drink they ask me to sign the bill.

We walk down to Soi 21 side to catch the taxi to my hotel in Soi 11.

Those Taxi mafia bastards want 200 baht for the ride. It was same yesterday from Nana plaza he wanted 100 baht. Again not to cause a scene I paid 200 baht. What do you guys do with these Taxi mafia? Do you just go to the sort time hotel or you just pay them what ever those bastards ask.

Anyway back to the hotel we showered clean up and onto the bed. She is a good kisser but she would not allow me to go down on her. She told me she don't want to cum. Then she started to give me blow job it did not even last 5 minutes. Condom on and started to fuck her, since I was not warmed up enough it took a good 30 minutes of pounding before I cum. Usually if I had a good long foreplay I'll not last more than 15 minutes in fucking. I guess she probably learn the lesson, she can't rush things upfront and expect to finish quickly.

I did not tip her, I gave 100 baht for taxi which she ask, I guess it is kind of a tip.

So there it is some you win and some you lose but the battle goes on. I'm looking forward to tomorrow already.

[QUOTE=Siddarth1989;2314959]An Indian, and proud about it, yet ashamed that my fellow countrymen have created such a bad reputation for us. Having lived in LOS Angeles for about 8 years of my life, I can say I have had my fair share of experiences, but none in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Don't worry too much. Many Farang expats like to put down Indians, and this board reflects that. To be honest, unlike 10-20 years ago, we Farang are no longer quite at top of the ladder in Thailand, bit salty about it, and looking for someone to put down.

You won't have trouble finding girls. Thais can be a bit racist towards Indians, some girls dislike them and a few clubs deny entry, but most of the working girls are not too squeamish, especially in Pattaya. Some even prefer Indians as they tend to be fairly easy customers (in terms of bedroom expectations, not in terms of price negotiations) once they know how to deal with them.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2313172]1st one vomited all over whilst trying to deepthroat me.

2nd promised anal didn't even get the tip in.

3rd one tried stealing money from me after sex.

I heard the closet door bang whilst I was in the shower.

I left the water running and came out quietly and caught her red handed with money in her hand.

And to make matters worse she got really shitty with me, I went back and told the mamasan the whole story, she just seemed really annoyed.

I'll never go back.

High prices.

Ugly girls.[/QUOTE]CzarNicholas,

Would you be so kind to name and shame the shithole?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2315754]My GF has a slightly more pointy chin than average, slim face and slim little upturned nose, all totally natural, so no need for any face surgeries at all, in my opinion. Of course Thais see it differently, and say they need a taller nose, but why? I don't get it.

Very light blue, green or other light coloured contacts on eyes does look slightly strange on Thai girls. Can't say I have seen pink yet. Sounds rather weird, but maybe not as bad as the strange surgeries.

For me, many girls that had surgeries on face look worse afterwards rather than improved. Dropped various bargirls after their nose jobs or tit jobs. Looks definitely went downhill badly for my taste. Coloured eyes or hair rarely bothered me too much. So to me, shape is way more important than colour. I pray that high bridge and convex nose jobs will eventually become unfashionable. Coconut shell tits too. Ha ha.[/QUOTE]Maybe for your GF she doesn't need it or maybe she does; I don't know what she looks like. I'm sure she looks just fine. I'm not against aesthetic surgeries because it can be done correctly and not noticeable.

The issue is these girls are on a budget for the most part and get budget surgeries. The coconut shell tits (haha!) with the heavy dark scar under the breast is unacceptable by today's standards, and I see girls dancing in their 20's with this. Why? Having the incision under the breast is common and can be done where it is only slightly noticeable. These girls have thin frames and flat chests, so going through the armpit should be more common place.

As for the style of surgery Thai girls get for their face, absolutely agree, and I don't get it either. The pointy chin is so unattractive and unnatural to me. Jay Leno must be godlike to these women.

The pink eye looks is done by make up, pink eye shadow. I don't mind colored contacts as well.

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2316079]CzarNicholas,

Would you be so kind to name and shame the shithole?[/QUOTE]Dec 2018, January / Feb 2019!

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2315965]Don't worry too much. Many Farang expats like to put down Indians, and this board reflects that. To be honest, unlike 10-20 years ago, we Farang are no longer quite at top of the ladder in Thailand, bit salty about it, and looking for someone to put down.

You won't have trouble finding girls. Thais can be a bit racist towards Indians, some girls dislike them and a few clubs deny entry, but most of the working girls are not too squeamish, especially in Pattaya. Some even prefer Indians as they tend to be fairly easy customers (in terms of bedroom expectations, not in terms of price negotiations) once they know how to deal with them.[/QUOTE]I don't think it has much to do with "looking for someone to put down," although I am sure some feel that way. It is about how the influx of Asian punters has changed the nature of the P4 P scene in Bangkok. It is now a very "Asian" scene as the majority of punters are Asian. What Asian dudes like and expect differs in many aspects to what Western guys like and expect. For many of us Westerners, it is not as fun of enjoyable. Thermae then and now is the perfect example.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2315769]I tend to ask more whether the girl gets lots of Asian customers or lots of Farang, or both. So yes clearly some girls are not Asian guy spec. However I do find there is a strong correlation. Girls that have mostly farang customers will tend to say they prefer them. Girls that have mostly Asian customers do not still claim to prefer Farangs, so much, however I probably would bother to put them on the spot and ask that directly. You are right their is no point to ask a question if you are expecting a bullshit answer.

I think girls often prefer what they are used to. Have to allow for variation of course, good guys and assholes. Definitely their are girls looking to pick a Farang BF or sponsor (or two). some want a Korean BF, or japanese, etc. Some strangely want to support a Thai boy. Definitely good to avoid these girls, unless they still enjoy their fucking work. Some girls have a Tom partner but still seem to get into fucking with a guy. Maybe ambidextrous.

There is little doubt to me that nearly all my regulars are Farang spec girls and these girls prefer farangs as well. Maybe one or two of my regulars could attract guys from any nationality at all. My Lao girl has quite light skin and quite pretty face (but no surgeries) so I think Asian guys could like her, if they go for slim. I first saw her sitting outside an MP, and was pretty enough to be a "must do" for me. Very non-typical of the the general girls in the MPs.

Clearly there are girls that prefer Farangs and girls that clearly like Japanese, Koreans, etc. So we have to try to discern it one way or another. Plenty of girls will admit to me that hardly any Asian guys would choose them. They have to be least very used to Farangs. So I say, a girl with very low Farang experience, is a huge risk for me..[/QUOTE]Have been with 18 yo Bangkok hookers that said they've never been with a white guy before!

I love Bangkok, I can't wait to return in a few weeks.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2315965]Don't worry too much. Many Farang expats like to put down Indians, and this board reflects that. To be honest, unlike 10-20 years ago, we Farang are no longer quite at top of the ladder in Thailand, bit salty about it, and looking for someone to put down[/QUOTE]I hate to be next to Farangs, who won't sit down, jumping around partying right in front or next to me (possibly drunk), or with seriously potent under arm stench. Same for Indians, Arabs, Afrikans, whatever. So it is not a question of where they come from at all. It is the individual regardless of origin. We hear that Indians, generally have a bad reputation, for always wanting to pay less than the asking price, and for a being a problem in the bar, perhaps denying they they consumed the drinks listed, etc. A girl on Soi 4 has asking price 1300. She tells me Indians are trying to get 500 Baht or less. She is not interested to even talk to them. These things are really totally irrelevant to me, other than I asked how come she knocks many guys. I don't have to negotiate prices with Indians for anything.

There is no put down for Indians, I have worked with some great character Indians used to western ways, at least in the work environment. I did think it was funny at one computing site in Europe, that maybe 90% of the Indians (males) had mustaches but not beards. Seemed to be a level of conformity. However I noticed that tourists groups from Italy or Spain, young local Turkish guys, etc. also had a very high level of conformity in haircuts and beards. I guess guys have to follow the fashions. Not me though.

[QUOTE=OrientalLover;2315963]
Those Taxi mafia bastards want 200 baht for the ride. It was same yesterday from Nana plaza he wanted 100 baht. Again not to cause a scene I paid 200 baht. What do you guys do with these Taxi mafia? Do you just go to the sort time hotel or you just pay them what ever those bastards ask.
[/QUOTE]Simple rule. Never talk to those taxi guys waiting at the end of Soi Cowboy. If I want a taxi, I always hail one driving past. You will get a meter or a better deal. Parked taxis on Sukhumwvit road near to Soi 23 are okay As long as driver does not get out of the vehicle.

Any guys that approaches you is to be avoided. That is the golden rule. We approach them when we want something.

I don't pay bargirls up front, but that is because I am scared they won't go through with the deal to fuck. Had a recent occurrence of that. Still wasted the barfine, drinks and her french fries. I don't pay to enter Crazy House because I am known there. The mamasans know me too so would not ask me to pay upfront. It is known I am trustworthy. Dare I say that some nationalities in particular may have a reputation for not paying the girl after the deed is done, in a percentage of cases. There are guys looking for a freebie, and claim not to have money afterwards. Girls I know have been burned too many times.

I hate to be next to Farangs, who won't sit down, jumping around partying right in front or next to me (possibly drunk), or with seriously potent under arm stench. Same for Indians, Arabs, Afrikans, whatever. So it is not a question of where they come from at all. It is the individual regardless of origin. We hear that Indians, generally have a bad reputation, for always wanting to pay less than the asking price, and for a being a problem in the bar, perhaps denying they they consumed the drinks listed, etc. A girl on Soi 4 has asking price 1300. She tells me Indians are trying to get 500 Baht or less. She is not interested to even talk to them. These things are really totally irrelevant to me, other than I asked how come she knocks many guys. I don't have to negotiate prices with Indians for anything.

There is no put down for Indians, I have worked with some great character Indians used to western ways, at least in the work environment. I did think it was funny at one computing site in Europe, that maybe 90% of the Indians (males) had mustaches but not beards. Seemed to be a level of conformity. However I noticed that tourists groups from Italy or Spain, young local Turkish guys, etc. Also had a very high level of conformity in haircuts and beards. I guess guys have to follow the fashions. Not me though.

Generally have a bad reputation, for always wanting to pay less than the asking price?

Seriously?

So mongers should agree to any asking price?

Is metoo# penetrating the forums.

I'm sure feminists would agree with this sentiment? Show of hands please how many feminists, do we have on this thread?

And BTW always wear a full body condom!

A girl tells me 2000 I think OK lets counter offer 500.

She can say any number why can't I.

Reminds me of Kojak in Manila last month.

I asked Amy the mamasan the prices.

She said 4000 BF 6000 minimum tip for the girl, I started laughing.

Standing up 2 leave.

And she added if you don't buy drinks we add them to the BF.

I continued to laugh as I stood up and walked out.

What kind of fools fall for that, she can go higher but you can't go lower.

I have a better idea, you suck my dick and pay me!

Realmenneveroverpay#.

I broke my phone.

I have another phone.

I really need to get my contact list.

I don't remember using an email address at setup.

I'm using a google fi sim.

I really need my contact list.

There isn't anyway to chat with LINE.

I can't figure this out.

Ill pay for a massage on soi 4 in a couple of weeks if anyone can help me retrieve my contact list.

Many thanks.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2316167]Simple rule. Never talk to those taxi guys waiting at the end of Soi Cowboy. If I want a taxi, I always hail one driving past. You will get a meter or a better deal. Parked taxis on Sukhumwvit road near to Soi 23 are okay As long as driver does not get out of the vehicle.

Any guys that approaches you is to be avoided. That is the golden rule. We approach them when we want something.

I don't pay bargirls up front, but that is because I am scared they won't go through with the deal to fuck. Had a recent occurrence of that. Still wasted the barfine, drinks and her french fries. I don't pay to enter Crazy House because I am known there. The mamasans know me too so would not ask me to pay upfront. It is known I am trustworthy. Dare I say that some nationalities in particular may have a reputation for not paying the girl after the deed is done, in a percentage of cases. There are guys looking for a freebie, and claim not to have money afterwards. Girls I know have been burned too many times.[/QUOTE]Also those taxis driving past soi 4 often especially late at night ask for a fixed price. I asked a few in thai language and asked them to use meter but they responded that they can't. The girl with me told me that I should tell them that I call police if they refuse meter. But this is Thailand. Maybe better just walk to Sukh Road but of course there are these cheater taxis too. In Manila some taxis waiting close to malls don't even have a meter installed in the car. I guess that must be illegal but maybe calling the corrupt police in these Asian countries might not work.

What are the best (or only) options for seeing girls dancing all nude in Soi Cowboy / Nana / Patpong these days? I know Crazy House is one but it was last time almost filled with Japs smoking on the first row and impossible to find a good seat. Or maybe I should just go there earlier? I used to like Suzie Wong and talk nicely to their ladyboy mamasan about girls but it was years ago and now that palce has probably changed too. Maybe in Nana there is something nude going but I have never liked Nana vibe. Always too many ladyboys there and expensive average looking bikini girls but maybe some unknown small bars around there?

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2316242]I broke my phone.

I have another phone.

I really need to get my contact list.

I don't remember using an email address at setup.

I'm using a google fi sim.

I really need my contact list.

There isn't anyway to chat with LINE.

I can't figure this out.

Ill pay for a massage on soi 4 in a couple of weeks if anyone can help me retrieve my contact list.

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]Take a look at this link:

[URL]https://help.line.me/line/ios/categoryId/20000012/pc?lang=en[/URL]

Then search on "lost phone"

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2316480]Take a look at this link:[/QUOTE]Many thanks.

I emailed them.

They told me I'm shit out of luck.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2316173]I hate to be next to Farangs, who won't sit down, jumping around partying right in front or next to me (possibly drunk), or with seriously potent under arm stench. Same for Indians, Arabs, Afrikans, whatever. So it is not a question of where they come from at all. It is the individual regardless of origin. We hear that Indians, generally have a bad reputation, for always wanting to pay less than the asking price, and for a being a problem in the bar, perhaps denying they they consumed the drinks listed, etc. A girl on Soi 4 has asking price 1300. She tells me Indians are trying to get 500 Baht or less. She is not interested to even talk to them. These things are really totally irrelevant to me, other than I asked how come she knocks many guys. I don't have to negotiate prices with Indians for anything.

There is no put down for Indians, I have worked with some great character Indians used to western ways, at least in the work environment. I did think it was funny at one computing site in Europe, that maybe 90% of the Indians (males) had mustaches but not beards. Seemed to be a level of conformity. However I noticed that tourists groups from Italy or Spain, young local Turkish guys, etc. Also had a very high level of conformity in haircuts and beards. I guess guys have to follow the fashions. Not me though.

Generally have a bad reputation, for always wanting to pay less than the asking price?

Seriously?

So mongers should agree to any asking price?

Is metoo# penetrating the forums.

I'm sure feminists would agree with this sentiment? Show of hands please how many feminists, do we have on this thread?

And BTW always wear a full body condom!

A girl tells me 2000 I think OK lets counter offer 500.

She can say any number why can't I.

Reminds me of Kojak in Manila last month.

I asked Amy the mamasan the prices.

She said 4000 BF 6000 minimum tip for the girl, I started laughing.

Standing up 2 leave.

And she added if you don't buy drinks we add them to the BF.

I continued to laugh as I stood up and walked out.

What kind of fools fall for that, she can go higher but you can't go lower.

I have a better idea, you suck my dick and pay me!

Realmenneveroverpay#.[/QUOTE]Good report Nik.

Here are my 2 cents. I'm Indian myself and unfortunately notice lots of Indians acting little irresponsibly, but so does I see people from other nationality. But because of 1. 3 be population, it's easier to get highlighted. Won't go too deep into it, every person's actions are their own responsibility, and if someone can spend enough and can behave well, there is no shortage of good pussy. Yes, you might not be allowed in some specific bar, but that's not end of the world. I get great chicks every week, but also get rejected by some just because I am brown. But does it stop me from finding it hotter chick than her, hell no.

Regarding, price negotiation, we should negotiate it if price thrown is unrealistic, but some people try to negotiate it even on base line charges, and sometimes try too hard. That is off-putting. For those people, just freaking make more money. If girl is hot enough I have no problem paying 3. 5 k for st and 5 k for LT, plus tip. But if girl if so so, I know she most of times get around 1. 5 to 2 k, so I just counter it, and they always accept instantly.

Trick is knowing who you're negotiating with.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2316591]Good report Nik.

Here are my 2 cents. I'm Indian myself and unfortunately notice lots of Indians acting little irresponsibly, but so does I see people from other nationality. But because of 1. 3 be population, it's easier to get highlighted. Won't go too deep into it, every person's actions are their own responsibility, and if someone can spend enough and can behave well, there is no shortage of good pussy. Yes, you might not be allowed in some specific bar, but that's not end of the world. I get great chicks every week, but also get rejected by some just because I am brown. But does it stop me from finding it hotter chick than her, hell no..[/QUOTE]I get rejected 24/7 because I'm super white lmao.

Blonde hair blue eyes and big dick.

I think certain guys try to "win" by overpaying more than market price (my response is to say fuck you and only pay less).

They don't "win" shit except title and reputation as desperate men that will pay any price for any service.

And they destroy the economics of the whole system.

Quintessential Pyrrhic victory!

In FKKland European men see it as a competition.

Men vs the WGs.

Outsiders come in and fuck that all up.

They want to overpay and turn it into a competition, monger vs monger.

Their pay any price mentality vs the local guys mentality which have kept the price the same for 20-30 yrs.

This is the definition of stupidity.

They will come in, destroy a system and claim "Victory".

This can be seen in Angeles city also.

Tijuana also.

The hookers and brothel owners win.

Mongers lose all day long.

3500 plus drinks.

For a 3rd world hooker.

In Angeles is retarded.

That's a months pay for the avg worker here.

I have a question? Does anyone think a months pay is not too much?

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2316591]If girl is hot enough I have no problem paying 3. 5 k for st and 5 k for LT, plus tip. But if girl if so so, I know she most of times get around 1. 5 to 2 k, so I just counter it, and they always accept instantly. Trick is knowing who you're negotiating with.[/QUOTE]This is the right answer imo. If you are talking about a top girl who is barfined on every single night then yes she can demand top dollar but if it's a gogo or bar girl who is average looking and lucky to be barfined once or twice a week we all should be negotiating. It's our money and we have the power. 2 k is a lot to some girls and not to others who can make 2 k by just sitting in a bar ordering lady drinks all night.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2316242]I broke my phone.

I have another phone.

I really need to get my contact list.

I don't remember using an email address at setup.

I'm using a google fi sim.

I really need my contact list.

There isn't anyway to chat with LINE.

I can't figure this out.

Ill pay for a massage on soi 4 in a couple of weeks if anyone can help me retrieve my contact list.

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]If your sim card is not damaged check it on your replacement it may have your contacts stored, if its damaged depending on your supplier you may be able to replace it.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2316622]This is the right answer imo. If you are talking about a top girl who is barfined on every single night then yes she can demand top dollar but if it's a gogo or bar girl who is average looking and lucky to be barfined once or twice a week we all should be negotiating. It's our money and we have the power. 2 k is a lot to some girls and not to others who can make 2 k by just sitting in a bar ordering lady drinks all night.[/QUOTE]Last night took a bargirl LT, from 5 Star (Cowboy), a tan skinned Isaan girl, all natural other than makeup, doubtless not your taste, but okay For many Farang Expats. Cute for me. Moderately tall, very nice ass and pussy. Very good waist (small) to thigh ratio making very her curvy. However there was no price negotiation, nor was there for previous bookings ST. This is good for me, since allows me to pay what I think the girl was worth, allowing for attitude, enthusiasm, Cooperation levels. This is usually is possible in bars where well known by certain girls, or when not appearing stingy to buy the girl drinks.

Once the girl likes the customer, that is a big help. I am not really trying to negotiate to bottom dollar the girl will take, I pay more related to effort and performance, with stunners clearly to get a premium price. If pay a girl fairly, they are always keen to repeat. If pay too low to suit how hard she had to work, she may pass next time. Trying to underpay stunners who can get customers very easily, probably does not work.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2316665]Last night took a bargirl LT, from 5 Star (Cowboy), a tan skinned Isaan girl, all natural other than makeup, doubtless not your taste, but okay For many Farang Expats. Cute for me. Moderately tall, very nice ass and pussy. Very good waist (small) to thigh ratio making very her curvy. However there was no price negotiation, nor was there for previous bookings ST. This is good for me, since allows me to pay what I think the girl was worth, allowing for attitude, enthusiasm, Cooperation levels. This is usually is possible in bars where well known by certain girls, or when not appearing stingy to buy the girl drinks.

Once the girl likes the customer, that is a big help. I am not really trying to negotiate to bottom dollar the girl will take, I pay more related to effort and performance, with stunners clearly to get a premium price. If pay a girl fairly, they are always keen to repeat. If pay too low to suit how hard she had to work, she may pass next time. Trying to underpay stunners who can get customers very easily, probably does not work.[/QUOTE]What kind of service? Any full body condoms? How many hours? Pops?

What was her age?

How many babies?

Did you tip also.

I think your age is helpful and the WGs age.

Because I think its relevant.

Lets be honest, I'll be 52 soon.

If I'm drilling a 18 yo with no babies BBFS / pse.

That can affect what I will pay.

Compared to what I would pay if I was still 18 yo.

Funny story, I do use Viagra and Cialis.

But a 18 yo WG walked in my place and saw some blue alleve pills on the counter and says you use Viagra.

I said those are for headaches.

I wanted to say.

Yes I do, because I'm old enough to be your grandfather, as a matter of fact I'm probably older than your grandfather LOL (that is if he is even still alive) I'm guessing the life expectancy isn't very high in Angeles city.

[QUOTE=OrientalLover;2315570]Today Wednesday went to NANA plaza. Looked at few of the bars finally settled into Billboard.[/QUOTE]Last night went to Billboard again. Could not find #28 selected another girl from the bathtub. She was almost good as mai but not quite.

Two for two interns of good time from Billboard ladies during this trip.

Have plan to see one of my regulars today an ex P4P girl. Back home tomorrow.

5 Star bar has had changes, since the take over by Crazy House. Initially it struggled badly and had useless Coyotes as well as standard Gogo girls. The Coyotes are now all gone to Tilac etc.

The bar is now somewhat like the old Sheba and old Suzie Wong. 15 to 20 naked girl dances, raunchy, all facing the audience so pussies on display, maybe a bit too much pussy hair on some. Some uglies, and some slim girls, mostly all natural. Girls naked on guys laps, getting groped. Pussy touching allowed. Catering to a mainly Farang Expat set of customers same as Suzie Wong was. Dtom ex Suzie Wong, works at 5 Star now. There maybe others. Some ex crazy House girls likely. Skinny LB mamasan used to be waitress at Crazy House. I forget the name.

Serving staff at 5 Star maybe a bit light on, on a busy night like Friday, just 2 or 3. At least 2 mamasans though.

However that is only part of the story. Out front they have Post Op (I'm told, did not check) lady boy hostesses. The LBs never get naked nor go on the stage. When Asian customers come into the shop, the LBs make a beeline for them. I don't see the LBs bothering the Farang Expats at all. Asian customers seem happy enough to play with the lady boys on their lap etc. Not clear if they all know they have LBs, as some are quite pretty. I guess they should know. The LBs make very exaggerated model posing movements not typical of real girls. So for Asian guys who don't like LBs, they would find this bar annoying maybe. The Farangs in there can easily ignore the LBs completely, no hassles. I don't know if many Asian guys BF the LB and go fuck an artificial pussy or take the ass or merely take BBBJ. Rates of barfining may not be that high in here. Many guys come in and drinks and fool around and that's it. I would not bother, if not wanting to take a girl, most likely.

Last night had two naked slim girls, both with small tits, friends of each other sitting with me. Waew and Jup Jaeng. Pussy touching was allowed, I did not try to get too nasty in the bar. Tempted to take both of them, but took Waew LT instead. Girls with bigger tits do exist there. Usually not the most important thing for me. Face, ass, pussy, legs and waist, and natural (non weird body shapes) all have higher priority than tits for me, and skin colour is very low priority. All my girls tend to have very smooth skin, since hairy arms puts me off.

Muslim girl in 7 Eleven served me today with Hijab head cover, light skin on face (with makeup), but her arms were more hairy than mine. I could not do a girl like that I think. Pussy Bush and thighs likely to be very hairy too. My Thai GF has extremely low body hair such that never notice it. Even her pussy has only wispy hair up top like a mustache. We get used to hookers with bald pussy and low body hair so it is not that sexy to be hairy for a girl.

There are no shows in 5 Star. That is a big departure from Suzie Wong style too. They used to have car alarm music, but I noticed the music includes actual pop songs these days, e. G. Titanium (by Sia), just to name one I remember now, so that is a big improvement for me. Probably means they changed the DJ.

So I am basically recommending this bar for Expat guys who used to like Suzie Wong and Sheba, and don't mind a few LBs hanging around. One can ignore the LBs entirely. Have not checked out Kozy upstairs at Old Dutch affiliated with Crazy H, as yet. Last visit to Crazy House saw 2 or 3 girls I would rate as doable, meaning the vast majority were not of interest to me, due to either plain faces or too much surgeries, for the most part. Maybe I prefer the smaller more intimate 5 Star now as is catering specifically for Farangs, where Crazy House tries to cater for every nationality of customer. Can't say that 5 Star has any absolute stunners though (used to have one), where you can't take your eyes off them. Same like Suzie W had a shortage of stunners also, but some very nice girls.

Although Suzie Wong is still open, I don't go there any more. Did not like the new management sent in by Bacarra. The drunk mamasan with mohawk was too much to bear. Almost all the old Suzie girls could not stand it and left too. Lighthouse sister bar to Shark maybe okay Did not check it recently. Doll House may have some nice girls, it has always been changing a lot.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2316635]If your sim card is not damaged check it on your replacement it may have your contacts stored, if its damaged depending on your supplier you may be able to replace it.[/QUOTE]Any ideas how to check?

My sim card is OK.

Started out at Lighthouse which had some real nice ladies. This was around 9:00. Had a few beers and decided to go to CH. What a disappointment. I only saw a few nice ladies, maybe the best were BF by then around 10:00. The best I saw was 117.

The tattooed lady with the long blond hair was doing her thing on stage. Piercings and tats everywhere. Where's her broom stick? I guess they cut the dart show and the painted dancers. But 95% of the ladies were not good by my standards.

Soi Cowboy was packed and the coyotes were aggressive. They target the Asian guys like fly's on shit. As an aging white guy they don't bother me at all. I get a couple of hits but as a rule I'm invisible.

Back home tomorrow for a relaxing vacation before I return to my condo in Phuket. Aloha.

RL.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2316934]Any ideas how to check?

My sim card is OK.[/QUOTE]Insert in replacement phone, download line and what's app and any other contact based app you had on your damaged phone and click on contacts and see what is stored on your card or within the app itself. If you backed up your data on to the cloud you can access that from any device.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2316938]
The tattooed lady with the long blond hair was doing her thing on stage. Piercings and tats everywhere. Where's her broom stick? I guess they cut the dart show and the painted dancers. But 95% of the ladies were not good by my standards.
[/QUOTE]Smoothy tells us that Ice is a really good fuck and raunchy as you could see. I called her "Geronimo" with all her war paint. Her somewhat masculine jaw makes her look just a bit too much like a ladyboy for me, and too many piercings I think, however real pussy is on display.

I agree with not many ladies doable, but why not count how many were okay and concentrate on the those. I saw two or 3 okay Looking girls last visit on a busy night (the line up has ups and downs), and largely ignored the rest. I reckon is best to go at 9 PM and see the last of the better girls arriving (applys to any bar), so you were at Lighthouse at the right time. CH is not my favourite bar any more. Just too few girls with both good face and good body. The line up was considerably better years ago. You might find 5 Star is worth a try (high percentage of all natural girls but no stunners), or Doll House.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2316674]What kind of service? Any full body condoms? How many hours? Pops?

What was her age?

How many babies?

Did you tip also.

I think your age is helpful and the WGs age.

Because I think its relevant.

Lets be honest, I'll be 52 soon.

If I'm drilling a 18 yo with no babies BBFS / pse.

That can affect what I will pay.

Compared to what I would pay if I was still 18 yo.

Funny story, I do use Viagra and Cialis.

But a 18 yo WG walked in my place and saw some blue alleve pills on the counter and says you use Viagra.

I said those are for headaches.

I wanted to say.

Yes I do, because I'm old enough to be your grandfather, as a matter of fact I'm probably older than your grandfather LOL (that is if he is even still alive) I'm guessing the life expectancy isn't very high in Angeles city.[/QUOTE]I have to assume these are rhetorical questions, or you were very drunk at the time, or just trolling. Is that supposed to be satire?

Cowboy, oh boy. I am not impressed with what was once my favorite soi in BKK. So far I have visited Baccara twice and found no one worthy of a barfine although I did buy a drink for a cute girl with green braces, but overall I am disappointed in the current talent level in this bar.

Dollhouse has a couple of sexy girls on the ground floor, but it pales as a bar in comparison to my fav bars in Patpong and Nana. I tried to go to Crazy Cozy one night. It looked dead from the outside yet the doorman insisted on my buying a drink first. I walked away. This bar is dead to me. And that is about it. I have not gone to Shark this trip. I have avoided Crazy House as I still have 3 ex favorite girls in there that I used to see a lot of, but for various reasons have decided not to see anymore.

And I have not checked out 5 star since October when it failed to impress, but since my pal Syzygies kind of likes it I will have to check it out one more or one last time depending. Ha Ha.

Overall however, I have to give Cowboy May 2019 a one thumb's down rating. How the mighty have fallen. Currently Nana and Patpong are just so much better and more fun.

P.S. Yesterday was one of my best days in the past year. First my Atomic Blond flew back into town to spend the day with me before she embarks on her summer tour of Korea & Japan. We did not leave my hotel room from 9am to 5pm except to hang by the pool for a little while. Then later around 9pm I met up for the 2nd time with a new favorite from RB2 and we had another very good time building on the first. So, two Thai girls, very different in looks, personality, and sexual proclivities and yet both so wonderful and entertaining. It does not get much better than this. I think I love them both!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2317032]Overall however, I have to give Cowboy May 2019 a one thumb's down rating. How the mighty have fallen. Currently Nana and Patpong are just so much better and more fun.[/QUOTE]How do you compare the current BKK gogo girls with the Pattaya ones on your recent visit?

I prefer Patpong and Nana too over Cowboy. TBH I have stopped going to Cowboy for some time now. Baccara can be ok but too crowded and terrible layout, but my main peeve is that the girls do not rotate on stage.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2317035]How do you compare the current BKK gogo girls with the Pattaya ones on your recent visit?

I prefer Patpong and Nana too over Cowboy. TBH I have stopped going to Cowboy for some time now. Baccara can be ok but too crowded and terrible layout, but my main peeve is that the girls do not rotate on stage.[/QUOTE]Great question BB. As you might remember, I was very impressed with the Pattaya girls that I met up with last October. So much so that I am planning to go back down there very soon. One girl in particular made it to my top 5 list last year and I am going straight to her as soon as I arrive. Ha Ha.

Look, I think there are great girls in BKK in a few Go Go's like KC 1, KC2, Pink (maybe), RB2, RB4, Billboard, maybe even still a few left in Twister. I also think there are some great girls in Pattaya in a few Go Go's like Infinity (where my top 5 works), Sensations, Sapphire, What's up, and Tantra (you told me about that one. Thanks), Skyfall and I am sure I am missing a couple of others.

My point is Pattaya does not take a back seat to BKK as far as Go Go's are concerned. I prefer BKK mainly for other reasons like more diversity and more anonymity that goes with being in a big cosmopolitan city, and better restaurants. But I am really looking forward to my upcoming long weekend in Pat. It is going to be great!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2317043]Tantra (you told me about that one. Thanks), [/QUOTE]FYI Tantra is not what it was when you were last here. New bar named Pin Up opened up and many of the better girls from Tantra moved their with mamasan. I was in Infinity the other night and it was terrible. I still go only to visit one of my friends there.

Agree Pattaya is a smelly sheethole with crappy food for the most part compared to Bangkok. I put up with a lot to be able to go to Walking Street and LK Metro every night and budget conscious Soi 6 and the G Clubs during the day. If I wanted good food and a nice environment to live in Asia I'd be living in Singapore, Seoul, or Dotonbori in Japan,. Unfortunately hobbying is expensive or just suck in those countries.

This week I decided to check out some Cowboy bars based on current reports. I usually start at Baccara third floor before the dancers move up there and they turn up the music. I enjoy a couple of quiet drinks to start off the night with some longtime lady friends. Then I went to Kazy Kozy and found 3 girls that I would barfine, numbers 007 and 121 sorry I don't remember the third. I bought 007 some drinks and she was full contact. I wasn't going to barfine because I wanted to checkout the other bars. So I didn't fondle her too much. LOL.

I then went to 5 star and Light House both were a total disappointment to me as there was no one that I would barfine. I know timing means a lot but the best girl when I was in Light House was at least 35 and probably older. I don't barfine 35 year olds. I did buy her a drink so I could spend enough time to sit through the rotations. I had 2 drinks and the lady ordered a beer. I don't remember what my bill was but it seemed reasonable to me not expensive. In 5 Star I didn't buy a drink, hell I didn't even sit down there was nothing on stage that I wanted to sit with and I didn't want to waste anymore time.

I went back to Kazy Kozy and both 007 and 121 were gone already barfined. I decided to text one of my regulars and had her meet me at my condo.

I trust the taste of the other posters reports about Light House and 5 Star but I'm assuming that there are so few girls to my liking in these 2 bars that timing would be critical to me finding girl that I liked there.

Dollhouse used to be my favorite in Cowboy but a few of the better girls (IMO) have recently left so I can't recommend it right now but I did see a cute new girl dancing outside when I walked by the other night.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2317026]I have to assume these are rhetorical questions, or you were very drunk at the time, or just trolling. Is that supposed to be satire?[/QUOTE]Your post was so vague, mentioning high low prices but no numbers.

I don't drink or troll so while some rhetorical points were made.

I was asking for some clarity, what did you pay? Then large tip?

What kinda service was given for said baht? IE no kissing CBJ?

The comments about age are non-satirical.

I wish ISG required some type of video bio.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2317069]FYI Tantra is not what it was when you were last here. New bar named Pin Up opened up and many of the better girls from Tantra moved their with mamasan. I was in Infinity the other night and it was terrible. I still go only to visit one of my friends there.
[/QUOTE]Pin Up: Good to know. Thanks.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2317101] Then I went to Kazy Kozy and found 3 girls that I would barfine, numbers 007 and 121 sorry I don't remember the third. I bought 007 some drinks and she was full contact. I wasn't going to barfine because I wanted to checkout the other bars. So I didn't fondle her too much. LOL.
[/QUOTE]So were you at Kazy or at Kozy? Kazy is the downstairs bar and Kozy is the upstairs bar. Different management apparently from what I was told by the staff, and possibly totally different styles. Kozy upstairs was reported to try to attract Asian customers like upstairs at Penny Black.

Yes good to try a few bars to find your style as long as not too late, especially on a Saturday.

Dollhouse used be one of my favourites (when they danced nude), despite a bad mamasan for a while, replaced by a really nice mamasan for a while. I liked little Coyote Aor who was very pretty except that she was dick scared with such a small pussy. My favourite girl Noi had an ass to die for and small tits. Hey she could have been 35 (maybe only late 20's), but no baby, so I did not care. Tight pussy. Eventually she moved to Nana (Mercury for a while) and finally got a tit job, and changed to work on travel desk of a Hotel "Holiday Inn" I think, after acquiring a BF. I lost contact strangely and very suddenly last time I intended to meet her for a drink, despite her saying she had split with BF. I had to wonder if she lost her phone, fell in the toilet, or was stolen, or if angry BF was still around. Ex Dollhouse girls Chocolate and Phraaow now work at Crazy House, but I can't recommend either of them. Chocolate has a bad tit job, and baby and a Thai boy, these days. Likes to customer hop a lot. Very crappy girl.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2317035]How do you compare the current BKK gogo girls with the Pattaya ones on your recent visit?

I prefer Patpong and Nana too over Cowboy. TBH I have stopped going to Cowboy for some time now. Baccara can be ok but too crowded and terrible layout, but my main peeve is that the girls do not rotate on stage.[/QUOTE]Bacarra is absolutely hopeless for layout and how crowded is the stage, and how girls are not moving around to different spots on the stage, if a fussy guy like me. Just too hard to see all the girls, and hence find which are the better ones.

Once they bought Suzie Wong, they should have made it Bacarra 2 effectively and moved some girls there, perhaps the more natural looking ones, more to Farang spec, or perhaps just the uglier ones. For guys who used to like Suzie Wong as a bar, it died anyway.

Still I suppose they don't want to mess with their successful formula, not matter some of us think it is stupid to have stage so crowded so a seated guys can only see a few girls at the front. I get totally mystified when a Jap guy calls over the most ugly overdone surgeries girl in place. Does ugly face (originally) + surgeries = beauty? Not for me. Just looks freaky. There are some good looking girls with great bodies but too hard to see them and get to them for a Farang. Last time met a stunner in there and approached, she would not answer me or look at my face. Must have been scared I would try to BF her. I would have scored her face an 8 and below the waist she was a 10 (ass, thighs, curves, etc.) I can't remember the tits at all now but I guess were natural. I was not her young handsome target (who was a Farang ha ha). I probably left disgruntled after not being able to find any other to her standard (and so natural looking).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2317144]So were you at Kazy or at Kozy? Kazy is the downstairs bar and Kozy is the upstairs bar. Different management apparently from what I was told by the staff, and possibly totally different styles.[/QUOTE]I much prefer the downstairs bar Kazy I only went upstairs once or twice and that was when it first opened. I just like downstairs better.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2317043]Great question BB. As you might remember, I was very impressed with the Pattaya girls that I met up with last October. So much so that I am planning to go back down there very soon. One girl in particular made it to my top 5 list last year and I am going straight to her as soon as I arrive. Ha Ha.

Look, I think there are great girls in BKK in a few Go Go's like KC 1, KC2, Pink (maybe), RB2, RB4, Billboard, maybe even still a few left in Twister. I also think there are some great girls in Pattaya in a few Go Go's like Infinity (where my top 5 works), Sensations, Sapphire, What's up, and Tantra (you told me about that one. Thanks), Skyfall and I am sure I am missing a couple of others.

My point is Pattaya does not take a back seat to BKK as far as Go Go's are concerned. I prefer BKK mainly for other reasons like more diversity and more anonymity that goes with being in a big cosmopolitan city, and better restaurants. But I am really looking forward to my upcoming long weekend in Pat. It is going to be great![/QUOTE]Make sure you hit Palace and Panda.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2317274]Make sure you hit Palace and Panda.[/QUOTE]Hopefully I won't be on one of my many Visa runs when Natty comes next time and I will be able to take him to what's hot for that week. Panda for me has been quite weak these past 2 weeks but my ex-Sapphire girl is there so 'm forced to go often. Ebbs and flows of the consistency of a Pattaya gogo bar.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2317181]I much prefer the downstairs bar Kazy I only went upstairs once or twice and that was when it first opened. I just like downstairs better.[/QUOTE]Its time to correct misinformation I was fed by apparent older female staff before. Why they had to tell me bullshit, I don't know.

Kazy is the downstairs. It is the new Crazy House, somewhat similar to crazy House when it first opened, although line up not quite that good. Upstairs is called Kozy but not open yet, due to downstairs not full. Presumably it will open when gets busy enough. So both bars belong to Crazy House.

Kazy is getting better, more girls than when first opened, and more customers. Farangs are out numbering the Asian customers, that maybe because there are not that many surgeries girls. A couple of pairs of exaggerated knockers, and odd nose job or two. For me Kazy is already better than Crazy House is now, although aircon a bit cold, and shows come on a bit too often. I hate shows. The lesbian show was acceptable and included one girl getting fucked by a strap on. The best skinny girl was Pim ex Crazy house, doing the flower show, and she got barfined real quick by an Asian guy. About 50% of girls dance nude, the rest in bikini.

I think Houston mentioned number 007. Great natural body on that one, almost identical to how my girlfriend looked when I first met her, except my GF had a cuter real nose, and face a bit different, and waist to thigh ratio slightly more. I would take 007 for the body any time but face not quite right for me, a bit too pointy / witchy (not ugly though). I arrived bit late maybe 10 PM or so. Some great girls possibly gone already. A slight shortage of really slim girls. Eventually I called over 115 for a drink. Light skin from Nakhon Nayok, only 50 km or so out of Bangkok I think. Quite slim and pretty to my taste nose slightly too broad but natural. She wasn't one of the nude girls. A bit shy. Working just 1 month. Could be a risk to BF her. So inexperienced. Previously worked in a Coffee shop. Not enough to finance her younger siblings education. Seemed nice enough. May do her one day if she lasts.

I was pulled into Kazy off the street by Aem who was once service staff S01 at Crazy House. Short with big tits. Have known her 5 years at least. So she could give the lowdown with no bullshit this time.

Now I hear there are 2 bafine amounts. 850 for ST, and 1200 for LT. So we pay more when the girl won't be coming back to the bar. I am guessing they close at 2. 30 am. I think I saw flower show girl return to the bar after having gone ST. Could not be sure when had clothes on. Did not discern any tiers with the girls. There are no Coyotes.

Kazy has girls jiggling on customers laps and Guys were massaging the tits, e. G. Of 007. I did not see pussy groping so I would describe sister bar 5 Star as more raunchy.

The drinks are all listed on a single page so not like Crazy House. You are requested to sign but that is before the latest drinks order is added to the bill, so that is slightly confusing. Watch out. If the girl has alcohol and mixed with coke or similar they are counting that as two drinks, however normally if a girl is granted two drinks when she requests it, then it will be tequila and coke in separate glasses. I think lady drinks were 190 each. There are other more expensive bars for lady drinks, some 200 and some even 250.

So I probably won't bother to visit Crazy House any longer. Kazy is already better and not yet crowded. Maybe 3 slim doable girls for me. Not quite enough slim ones. Guys who like surgeries, can still find something in Kazy but not many. For any guys who tried Crazy House when it first started, then Kazy lineup is not that good, a bit more variable. Crazy House in the beginning had virtually nothing but girls with top bodies. No ladyboys boys at Kazy other than some gay service staff. Could be that nearly all male staff were gay, other than perhaps the DJ, and artist doing body painting show. I don't like them having frequent shows, but show girls are better than Crazy House show girls.

For guys who used to prefer Suzie Wong over Crazy House, then I think your goto bar is 5 Star. I saw about 3 doable girls in there for my taste. Definitely Isaan looks, but more slim girls than Kazy. 5 star also has more quite ugly girls too, but I never really take much interest in all the girls other than the best 3 to 5 girls.

In 5 star, I saw one bargirl light up a cigarette. That surprised me. Did not think they would allow it. Did not see that at Kazy.

Ok, so I have been having great time in BKK these last 2 weeks and last night was no exception. The night first began with a repeat session with a bubbly Billboard tub girl with large silicon tits and crazy tats all over her body. A very atypical girl for me, but she is a real sweetie and I thought she deserved a 2nd night. Anyway, back in my loom after a big photo shoot, we began to get it on first in cowgirl, then mish where she put a pillow under her ass for better leverage, and finally in doggie. She is apparently a big doggie fan and I think her butt may have been augmented as well. LOL. So there she was encouraging me to really drive it home from behind when all of a sudden my Sagami 0. 02 broke. Oops, a no biggie for me, but "Cee" knew instantly what had happened and she insisted on a time out and a replacement. I had no choice in the matter. But I still think it was a fun session and we parted on very happy happy terms.

Then after I saw saw her off in a taxi I went out again. It was only around 11:30. But Cowboy was absolutely no good for me. I checked out 5 Star as I said I would and I feel a little insulted because the Ladyboy promo girls out front did not try to seduce me like they try to do to every passing NE Asian dude. What! Don't I rate. LOL. But then an older mamasan or something did try to escort me inside where and (I am trying to be kind) I did not see any girl girls on the stage to my liking, so I left without buying a drink.

Jeez, I find Cowboy really depressing these days. It has become so touristy with all the Arab's Buy Me Drink bars, and other bars like Crazy Cozy or whatever asking customers to buy a drink before entering. And I used to love Cowboy. But last night I spent less than 30 minutes there and could not wait to get away although I did get an interesting offer from one of the Arab's very sexy BMD girls standing outside one of his bars. So here is the offer that she made me:

This very sexy little girl grabs my arm and tries to drag me inside her bar. I say, "no baby, I can not go inside. " She says, " why?" I say, "I no like American BMD Go Go's. I like Thai barfine Go Go's. " She says, "you come inside and I take care of you" and to make her case she rubs my dick with her free hand. So I ask her, "why you work in this bar and not in a barfine bar". She says something that I don't quite hear and then she says, "You can come back here at 3 and I go your room. " And I think, finally I meet a sexy Cowboy BMD girl that is making some sense even although I wasn't in the mood to follow up on her offer, so we parted ways.

I then headed over to Thermae where I run into an old favorite Go Go girl that I had not seen for a while. My room was a mess so I bowed out of taking her home with me, but I might see her again at a later date. I also saw a few other possibilities while walking the Thermae lap, but for the same reason, the shape of my room, I decided to move on. I was getting a little hungry at this point too.

So then as I wandered back towards my hotel thinking of where I should go for some food, I took a small detour and walked past Queens Park Plaza on Soi 22 specifically past Rumors bar where I spotted an attractive over 30 hostess girl with thin arms and thighs, a flat butt, and a still girly, youthful face. I won't bore everybody with too many details (ha ha) of the ensuing romp, but the short story is that 3 Tequilas each later we were in a taxi making out like teenagers. Then back in the room it was a bareback non-stop session until almost 7 am which included 2 full length shags plus several mini shags towards the end with only one break in the action after the 1st shag where "K" fell asleep and I went to the refrigerator and ate some Durian. But after my savory dinner I went back to bed, the girl woke up, and she just would not stop and leave me alone. LOL. She kept saying, "ok now we sleep," but we never did. We just kept kissing and caressing each other until I got hard again and entered her pussy again and again. She was a very passionate and horny Thai girl and I had a great time with her.

Now I do admit that in the morning light with no makeup, an hour or two of sleep at most, and the 3 Tequilas shots still in her system, she looked a little worse for ware, but last night when I first saw her, smiling and dancing around her open bar, inher element, Damn, she had something. I swear it! I think it was that 35, but still girly look that only a few Thai women seem to retain. I bet she was really something when she was 22.

So, that was last night. Just another fun night out on the town although a bit atypical for me (both girls). Sorry if this post is a bit self absorbed. But I am still on a high from last night, so I just felt like posting.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2317541]Ok, so I have been having great time in BKK these last 2 weeks and last night was no exception. The night first began with a repeat session with a bubbly Billboard tub girl with large silicon tits and crazy tats all over her body. A very atypical girl for me, but she is a real sweetie and I thought she deserved a 2nd night. Anyway, back in my loom after a big photo shoot, we began to get it on first in cowgirl, then mish where she put a pillow under her ass for better leverage, and finally in doggie. She is apparently a big doggie fan and I think her butt may have been augmented as well. LOL. So there she was encouraging me to really drive it home from behind when all of a sudden my Sagami 0. 02 broke. Oops, a no biggie for me, but "Cee" knew instantly what had happened and she insisted on a time out and a replacement. I had no choice in the matter. But I still think it was a fun session and we parted on very happy happy terms.

Then after I saw saw her off in a taxi I went out again. It was only around 11:30. But Cowboy was absolutely no good for me. I checked out 5 Star as I said I would and I feel a little insulted because the Ladyboy promo girls out front did not try to seduce me like they try to do to every passing NE Asian dude. What! Don't I rate. LOL. But then an older mamasan or something did try to escort me inside where and (I am trying to be kind) I did not see any girl girls on the stage to my liking, so I left without buying a drink.

Jeez, I find Cowboy really depressing these days. It has become so touristy with all the Arab's Buy Me Drink bars, and other bars like Crazy Cozy or whatever asking customers to buy a drink before entering. And I used to love Cowboy. But last night I spent less than 30 minutes there and could not wait to get away although I did get an interesting offer from one of the Arab's very sexy BMD girls standing outside one of his bars. So here is the offer that she made me:.[/QUOTE]I envy your memory of the details, ill be 52 this year and just did 2 sessions 2 day and.

I could not provide 10% of the detail you provided, keep up the nice work.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2314723]Cute skinny deaf girl on Soi 4 refused me again today even as I approached. Then she showed me 1500 and 300 for Hotel on her phone. I nodded in approval. Yes no problem. Then she points to her friend, trying to FOB me on to another girl. I try to find where the problem is, and she types 18 on her phone. Not clear to me if she is 18 or not yet. However she seems to using her looks to pull guys over and then introduce them to the other deaf girls. Several of them there today. I will have to look another extended time to see if she ever goes with a guy or not. I will have my messages prepared on phone for next time. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Metso;2314972]During my last visit, I asked her she said 1200, I said OK and said my hotel was just behind let's go, she then proposed her friend or we go to a different hotel. I was in that area for few days and I saw her standing in the same place and I don't think she went with anyone.[/QUOTE]I saw this girl too one night last week. I can't remember the particular night, but I do remember that I had already gotten my dick wet only an hour or so earlier, so I really wasn't looking for another girl at that particular moment, but she looked attractive from across the soi in a certain raunchy. unkempt, thin T. Rex girl kind of way, so I went over to her side of the soi to say Hello,. That's when I realized she was the deaf girl you guys had been talking about.

Anyway, she must have thought I was in the market for pussy and before I could even begin a little "Hi how are you / what's your name" she started pawning me off onto her friend and I politely bowed out. It's too bad she is acting this way. I don't do SW's very often, but I have never had a deaf girl, so if she had been cordial and friendly I might have lined something up with her for another time. Oh well, her loss not mine. I would have made love to her.

"Well, you're dirty and sweet
Clad in black, don't look back, and I love you
You're dirty and sweet, oh yeah
Well, you're slim, and you're weak
You've got the teeth of the hydra upon you
You're dirty sweet, and you're my girl"

-Marc Bolan