Moscow

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2397631]Leaving Moscow after a few days. Confirmed my previous impression that this is not a good mongering destination for me. The high-end strip clubs may be worthwhile for those who like that kind of thing, but from the descriptions posted by some of the strip club fans here they don't actually seem very attractive to me.

Other options: There are lots of ads online, both for individuals and salons, but it is very hard to work with them. Difficult to get through on the phone, many of them misleading (individualkas are not the same as on pics, individualkas turn out to be salons, salons are not the salons they claim to be, neither indivdualkas or salons are in the locations they claim to be, exorbitant sell up, etc.), great distances to get to places, not many girls to select from in each place and people are often dishonest and / or rude (Muscovites are infamous across Russia for being arrogant and rude). For example, I travelled 40 minutes by taxi to a place where there were supposed to be 10 girls. Due to the inaccurate description there were some troubles finding the right place. When I finally found it, the dispatcher stopped taking the phone. When she finally took it, she said security had decided they wouldn't let me in and hung up. Another 40 minutes return trip by taxi. Typical Moscow.

Had a couple of ok experiences at a place called KlubNIKA (a wordplay) [URL]http://clubnikaclub.com/[/URL] . It is a lower end strip club with a salon on the second floor. It's reasonably central, but in an obscure location. You have to enter a kind of industrial area via security booth. Some of the strippers are very hot, but they only do long time your place and that may cost around 20 000 roubles. Around 15 girls available upstairs, in all shapes and sizes (I. E. Varying quality). Only 5000 for an hour, but they try to squeeze more out of you for all the dop. Uslugi. - which includes DATY. Ended up having a beautiful session with a 33 year old, slightly (but not unpleasantly) voluptuous blonde, but then it cost 11 000 in total (USD 170). Meanwhile lots of loud, drunk guys coming and going in the corridor, and the bedrooms and bathrooms are rough though they throw a clean sheet over the bed.

I have lived in Russia, dealt with Russia for 20+ years, speak very fluent Russian, and I can have great conversations with the girls (and also communicate with taxi drivers, dispatchers etc. With ease). For anyone who doesn't know Russian and doesn't know Russia, but wants white girls, I would think they would be better off going to Frankfurt. The sex culture there can be a bit mechanical (even if the girls are not German, they seem to pick up the sex culture fast), but so can it here nowadays. If one visits the three largest FKKs in Frankfurt there are so many girls to choose from that it is always possible to find someone with the right chemistry. The prices are not higher than Moscow and the setup is incredibly much more convenient, especially if you want to live like a king and be with several girls every day.

Bye bye Moscow.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the FR! I do think it confirms the high end clubs are the only safe bet. I think it's a bit unfair to compare it to FKK tho which is one of the best venues in the world. There is no question if choosing Frankfurt or Moscow it's Frankfurt hands down. Moscow is one of the more expensive destinations worldwide. Right up there with Tokyo at $300 US for a nice complete experience IMO. BUT if you have to go to Moscow anyhow and hVe a $300/ night budget it's fucking awesome.

If you want bang for your buck São Paulo Brasil is your best choice. You can absolutely bang a hot girl, including BBBJ for $30 US (not a typo). I put them in this this order for best value for a hot girl (note that Thailand prices have gone up and hotness down). And there is a big gap between London and Moscow. You can bang a model in London for $120/ half HR. Or $170/ HR.

São Paulo.

Frankfurt.

Bangkok.

London.

Moscow.

Tokyo.

USA.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2397631]Leaving Moscow after a few days. Confirmed my previous impression that this is not a good mongering destination for me. The high-end strip clubs may be worthwhile for those who like that kind of thing, but from the descriptions posted by some of the strip club fans here they don't actually seem very attractive to me.

Other options: There are lots of ads online, both for individuals and salons, but it is very hard to work with them. Difficult to get through on the phone, many of them misleading (individualkas are not the same as on pics, individualkas turn out to be salons, salons are not the salons they claim to be, neither indivdualkas or salons are in the locations they claim to be, exorbitant sell up, etc.), great distances to get to places, not many girls to select from in each place and people are often dishonest and / or rude (Muscovites are infamous across Russia for being arrogant and rude). For example, I travelled 40 minutes by taxi to a place where there were supposed to be 10 girls. Due to the inaccurate description there were some troubles finding the right place. When I finally found it, the dispatcher stopped taking the phone. When she finally took it, she said security had decided they wouldn't let me in and hung up. Another 40 minutes return trip by taxi. Typical Moscow..[/QUOTE]Sorry, have disagree. Germany / Tijuana are great for a couple of days, but longer periods it gets old. Moscow is great for long term Destination. Takes a little work, but that makes it even better. I have talked and others as well have talked about not going to girls apartments, it will just be a waste of time / resources. Have them come to you, you can always send them away. There are so many hot girls here, young and old. If you like Skinny and natural.

Also what I love about Moscow you have following:

1. Great night life on the weekends.

2. You can meet semi-pros online or in public.

3. Escorts easy accessible and very easy to find beautiful girls. Under $100 will be challenging.

4. Strip Clubs, very good but expensive.

5. Taxis / Apartments very cheap.

6. Hot girls everywhere.

7. In general people are very helpful here.

8. Very few Sex Tourists and the ones that are here have to behave. You can all the fun you want, but you have to behave. Other destinations S. T. Behavior is terrible. (Kiev).

Many destinations you will have one of these, but not all.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2397683]Thanks for the FR! I do think it confirms the high end clubs are the only safe bet. I think it's a bit unfair to compare it to FKK tho which is one of the best venues in the world. There is no question if choosing Frankfurt or Moscow it's Frankfurt hands down. Moscow is one of the more expensive destinations worldwide. Right up there with Tokyo at $300 US for a nice complete experience IMO. BUT if you have to go to Moscow anyhow and hVe a $300/ night budget it's fucking awesome.

If you want bang for your buck So Paulo Brasil is your best choice. You can absolutely bang a hot girl, including BBBJ for $30 US (not a typo). I put them in this this order for best value for a hot girl (note that Thailand prices have gone up and hotness down). And there is a big gap between London and Moscow. You can bang a model in London for $120/ half HR. Or $170/ HR..[/QUOTE]Posting this list on my refrigerator now.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2397832]Sorry, have disagree. Germany / Tijuana are great for a couple of days, but longer periods it gets old. Moscow is great for long term Destination. Takes a little work, but that makes it even better. I have talked and others as well have talked about not going to girls apartments, it will just be a waste of time / resources. Have them come to you, you can always send them away. There are so many hot girls here, young and old. If you like Skinny and natural.

Also what I love about Moscow you have following:

1. Great night life on the weekends.

2. You can meet semi-pros online or in public.

3. Escorts easy accessible and very easy to find beautiful girls. Under $100 will be challenging.

4. Strip Clubs, very good but expensive.

5. Taxis / Apartments very cheap.

6. Hot girls everywhere.

7. In general people are very helpful here.

8. Very few Sex Tourists and the ones that are here have to behave. You can all the fun you want, but you have to behave. Other destinations S. T. Behavior is terrible. (Kiev).

Many destinations you will have one of these, but not all.[/QUOTE]I think you have some valid and important points and combined with my input they give a good multifaceted picture. If one has a lot of time, or relocates to Moscow, and / or if one is single and wants to find a wife or multi-meeting p4 p and / or civilian relationships, it can be a good place to be. Also, if it is important to be with white girls, it strengthens the arguments in favor of Moscow.

However, in a case like mine (of which there are many), it is not so suitable. I am just there for a few days and I am (very) pressed for time both while I am there and before I go. I can't and don't want to spend hours and days on online dating platforms in advance. While I am there, I can only spend 30-40 % of my awake time on mongering, the rest is spent on work. Importantly, in the short time I have available, I want to sleep with as many girls as possible, ideally an average of 3 per day. Basically I want to enjoy life like a serial orgy for a few days. For that purpose, I need something more like shooting fish in a barrel and less like a three-month trek across the taiga. Barrel-fishing seems possible at the upmarket strip clubs, but at the rate I churn through girls it would cost around USD 1000 per day. I am more interested in GFE and creative, intimate, dirty (but of course protected) sex than in sticking my dick into barbie dolls. Having been with a lot of model-type girls over the years including dating a couple of Western models on an entirely non p4 p basis, I strongly believe that they do not provide the best sexual and romantic experiences. It is nice to sleep with some white girls every now and then, but it is not decisive for me. I am mostly not interested in girls 170 cm+ and one of the most accessible segments in Moscow is taller girls.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2398402]I think you have some valid and important points and combined with my input they give a good multifaceted picture. If one has a lot of time, or relocates to Moscow, and / or if one is single and wants to find a wife or multi-meeting p4 p and / or civilian relationships, it can be a good place to be. Also, if it is important to be with white girls, it strengthens the arguments in favor of Moscow.

However, in a case like mine (of which there are many), it is not so suitable. I am just there for a few days and I am (very) pressed for time both while I am there and before I go. I can't and don't want to spend hours and days on online dating platforms in advance. While I am there, I can only spend 30-40 % of my awake time on mongering, the rest is spent on work. Importantly, in the short time I have available, I want to sleep with as many girls as possible, ideally an average of 3 per day. Basically I want to enjoy life like a serial orgy for a few days. For that purpose, I need something more like shooting fish in a barrel and less like a three-month trek across the taiga. Barrel-fishing seems possible at the upmarket strip clubs, but at the rate I churn through girls it would cost around USD 1000 per day. I am more interested in GFE and creative, intimate, dirty (but of course protected) sex than in sticking my dick into barbie dolls. Having been with a lot of model-type girls over the years including dating a couple of Western models on an entirely non p4 p basis, I strongly believe that they do not provide the best sexual and romantic experiences. It is nice to sleep with some white girls every now and then, but it is not decisive for me. I am mostly not interested in girls 170 cm+ and one of the most accessible segments in Moscow is taller girls.[/QUOTE]Holy smokes dude. 3 ladies per day, everyday? You must be on some serious industrial-strength Cialis! Where can I get that? LOL!

[QUOTE=Eforel;2398580]Holy smokes dude. 3 ladies per day, everyday? You must be on some serious industrial-strength Cialis! Where can I get that? LOL![/QUOTE]Cialis does the trick for me. Regular cialis tablets are 20 MG, but if I take that much I get a cracking headache and it feels like my eyes are bulging. So I just take about 4 MG, and that is more than enough for me.

And one more detail: I try to not to come until the last girl. Orgasms aren't that important for me. Mainly I enjoy the aesthetics, various aspects of physical interaction and the thrill of being with somebody new and exploring her. And if you have lots of sex without coming, in the end I get really worked up, I become kind of electric, erections come easily, and then when I finally have an orgasm it is an almighty one. Girls often refuse to accept that I don't want to come and try to force or lure me to come. I say it's ok, I really don't need to come and when you get tired of sex we can just stop. But often they won't let go of it. A bit of pride, or the satisfaction of making a man come, IDK. It results in a wonderful game. Sometimes I lose and that is not so bad either.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2398903]Cialis does the trick for me. Regular cialis tablets are 20 MG, but if I take that much I get a cracking headache and it feels like my eyes are bulging. So I just take about 4 MG, and that is more than enough for me.

And one more detail: I try to not to come until the last girl. Orgasms aren't that important for me. Mainly I enjoy the aesthetics, various aspects of physical interaction and the thrill of being with somebody new and exploring her. And if you have lots of sex without coming, in the end I get really worked up, I become kind of electric, erections come easily, and then when I finally have an orgasm it is an almighty one. Girls often refuse to accept that I don't want to come and try to force or lure me to come. I say it's ok, I really don't need to come and when you get tired of sex we can just stop. But often they won't let go of it. A bit of pride, or the satisfaction of making a man come, IDK. It results in a wonderful game. Sometimes I lose and that is not so bad either.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip my man! Got to look into trying Cialis again. A friend gave me one a couple yrs back, but I didn't notice anything different. Same thing with Viagra. Thought they would turn me into a non-stop boner machine, but just experienced my normal hardness / stamina. Worth another shot though.

Your technique, as unusual as it is, sounds like an interesting one! Women often take great pride in their abilities to make a man cum, so I can imagine their confusion and possible misunderstanding. I read years ago about an ancient Chinese technique of withholding one's orgasm until after several acts of sex (but with same girl), in order to absolutely thrill the partner and finally having the blast of your life! Sounds like you've mastered that one. LOL!

Hi guys,

Hat is the best and safest way to get really hot model in Moscow.

[QUOTE=Tareq;2399146]Hi guys,

Hat is the best and safest way to get really hot model in Moscow.[/QUOTE]Time, Networking, and Nice budget. There are hot girls everywhere, takes some work for 8's and above, real ones, not the fake ones that guys talk about on other destinations.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2398402]I think you have some valid and important points and combined with my input they give a good multifaceted picture. If one has a lot of time, or relocates to Moscow, and / or if one is single and wants to find a wife or multi-meeting p4 p and / or civilian relationships, it can be a good place to be. Also, if it is important to be with white girls, it strengthens the arguments in favor of Moscow.

However, in a case like mine (of which there are many), it is not so suitable. I am just there for a few days and I am (very) pressed for time both while I am there and before I go. I can't and don't want to spend hours and days on online dating platforms in advance. While I am there, I can only spend 30-40 % of my awake time on mongering, the rest is spent on work. Importantly, in the short time I have available, I want to sleep with as many girls as possible, ideally an average of 3 per day. Basically I want to enjoy life like a serial orgy for a few days. For that purpose, I need something more like shooting fish in a barrel and less like a three-month trek across the taiga. Barrel-fishing seems possible at the upmarket strip clubs, but at the rate I churn through girls it would cost around USD 1000 per day. I am more interested in GFE and creative, intimate, dirty (but of course protected) sex than in sticking my dick into barbie dolls. Having been with a lot of model-type girls over the years including dating a couple of Western models on an entirely non p4 p basis, I strongly believe that they do not provide the best sexual and romantic experiences. It is nice to sleep with some white girls every now and then, but it is not decisive for me. I am mostly not interested in girls 170 cm+ and one of the most accessible segments in Moscow is taller girls.[/QUOTE]You are correct for a few days Moscow is probably not the best. This last trip I was only there 4 days, way to short, but the airlines had other plans for me, major delays. I will be back in a few weeks, so will make up for!

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2399315]Time, Networking, and Nice budget. There are hot girls everywhere, takes some work for 8's and above, real ones, not the fake ones that guys talk about on other destinations.[/QUOTE]Do you recommend any site.

Hey all,

This post got me thinking on the best P4 P and best freebie destonations. So I thought I'd add my list -.

P4 P.

Bangkok / Pattaya (Some stunning girls available if your willing to pay $150 a night, and some great girls still for $50/ night in Pattaya if you search well).

Medellin (great value but slightly let down by the flakeyness. Last time I went it was around $35/ hour or $70/ night).

Dusseldorf FKK's (where all the hot Romanians go. Usual 50/30 min).

Sao Paulo (great value and managed a few times to meet the girls outside of work for a date and free sex. Yes, $30/ hour and some stunners to be found).

Montreal (About $200/ hour but some seriously fit birds offering incall).

Prague (Brothels are good value but do your research. In my opinion its worth paying a little extra for better quality girl, service and apartment).

Singapore (Cheap options in Gayland, but I didn't venture there. Orchard Towers and Brix can find some stunners from all over the world but $200+/ hour).

London / UK (My home town. Lots of options but high risk of switch and bait or up-selling. Be prepared to have a few disappointments but the occasional firecracker, prices as Steve said).

Moscow (used to be much better. Used to find brothels at $50/ hour and some great sex with hot girls. They seem to have gone now. Night flight is fun but expensive ($500/ night).

Tokyo (Expensive at $300/ hour, and would love to try a soapy but you are looking at $400 and hour. Fuck that shit).

USA (mostly expensive and shit. Best experience was probably in a strip club VIP area in Dallas).

Freebies (if you put in the time).

Singapore (fucking insane. Can literally fuck a different girl every night for free, well after paying for a reasonable meal and drinks. Plus also theres a club that you are guaranteed to pull a bird out of for the night).

Bangkok (Thai Cupid and Tinder are packed with young hot girls wanting to meet western guys. Treat them nice and they will do anything for you).

USA (I think my English accent gets me a long way. I have fucked some of my hottest girls ever in USA. Plus US girls seem to love daddy / daughter role play sex with older guys LOL).

HK (similar to Singapore, but not as intense).

Taiwan (harder work but dating girls who want to fuck is easily doable).

Moscow (done okay in Moscow. However my last dinner date cost me $400 after letting her pick the restaurant. At least she was a good and hot bang).

Europe (for me fucking sucks! Euro girls don't seem to be into the younger girl / older guy thing. Oh well).

Japan (even worse than Europe, I can not set up a date with a Japanese girl to save my life. Not sure if its the beard, being older or just because they are racist AF).

My next new destination is the Philippines and excited to see how the freebies / P4 P girls fare. I have high expectations, so I hope I'm not disappointed.

People agree / disagree with my experience?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2397683]Thanks for the FR! I do think it confirms the high end clubs are the only safe bet. I think it's a bit unfair to compare it to FKK tho which is one of the best venues in the world. There is no question if choosing Frankfurt or Moscow it's Frankfurt hands down. Moscow is one of the more expensive destinations worldwide. Right up there with Tokyo at $300 US for a nice complete experience IMO. BUT if you have to go to Moscow anyhow and hVe a $300/ night budget it's fucking awesome.

If you want bang for your buck So Paulo Brasil is your best choice. You can absolutely bang a hot girl, including BBBJ for $30 US (not a typo). I put them in this this order for best value for a hot girl (note that Thailand prices have gone up and hotness down). And there is a big gap between London and Moscow. You can bang a model in London for $120/ half HR. Or $170/ HR.

So Paulo.

Frankfurt.

Bangkok.

London.

Moscow.

Tokyo.

USA.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=McLoving;2402856]Hey all,

This post got me thinking on the best P4 P and best freebie destonations. So I thought I'd add my list -.

P4 P.

Bangkok / Pattaya (Some stunning girls available if your willing to pay $150 a night, and some great girls still for $50/ night in Pattaya if you search well).

Medellin (great value but slightly let down by the flakeyness. Last time I went it was around $35/ hour or $70/ night).

Dusseldorf FKK's (where all the hot Romanians go. Usual 50/30 min).

Sao Paulo (great value and managed a few times to meet the girls outside of work for a date and free sex. Yes, $30/ hour and some stunners to be found).

Montreal (About $200/ hour but some seriously fit birds offering incall).

Prague (Brothels are good value but do your research. In my opinion its worth paying a little extra for better quality girl, service and apartment).

Singapore (Cheap options in Gayland, but I didn't venture there. Orchard Towers and Brix can find some stunners from all over the world but $200+/ hour).

London / UK (My home town. Lots of options but high risk of switch and bait or up-selling. Be prepared to have a few disappointments but the occasional firecracker, prices as Steve said).

Moscow (used to be much better. Used to find brothels at $50/ hour and some great sex with hot girls. They seem to have gone now. Night flight is fun but expensive ($500/ night).

Tokyo (Expensive at $300/ hour, and would love to try a soapy but you are looking at $400 and hour. Fuck that shit).

USA (mostly expensive and shit. Best experience was probably in a strip club VIP area in Dallas).

Freebies (if you put in the time).

Singapore (fucking insane. Can literally fuck a different girl every night for free, well after paying for a reasonable meal and drinks. Plus also theres a club that you are guaranteed to pull a bird out of for the night).

Bangkok (Thai Cupid and Tinder are packed with young hot girls wanting to meet western guys. Treat them nice and they will do anything for you).

USA (I think my English accent gets me a long way. I have fucked some of my hottest girls ever in USA. Plus US girls seem to love daddy / daughter role play sex with older guys LOL).

HK (similar to Singapore, but not as intense).

Taiwan (harder work but dating girls who want to fuck is easily doable).

Moscow (done okay in Moscow. However my last dinner date cost me $400 after letting her pick the restaurant. At least she was a good and hot bang).

Europe (for me fucking sucks! Euro girls don't seem to be into the younger girl / older guy thing. Oh well).

Japan (even worse than Europe, I can not set up a date with a Japanese girl to save my life. Not sure if its the beard, being older or just because they are racist AF).

My next new destination is the Philippines and excited to see how the freebies / P4 P girls fare. I have high expectations, so I hope I'm not disappointed.

People agree / disagree with my experience?

Cheers![/QUOTE]This is some great info and I would say spot on for the ones we have in common. I would add the following tho for those considering these countries:

São Paulo. Absolutely can get a good quality experience for $30. But if you want top worldwide kind of experience you can also pay $300 (includes club, drinks, girl hotel) and go to Scandallo. 100+ super hot girls in a luxe club. My favorite place in the world.

London. IMO bait and switch is only risked with indies or low class agencies. With a high class agency like Diva or Admiral you will absolutely get the girl. And if well reviewed have a top experience. Probably my second favorite worldwide destination.

Tokyo. Yes $400 is high. But 90 minutes of mat play and 2 x sex with a hot girl is worth it IMO. I had never done met play until this last year and WOW I am going back!

USA. Seeking Arrangement is where it's at in the US. My experience is for the price of an hour with a hooker in the US ($400-500) — yeah I know! You can get with a super pretty less experienced girl for a few hours. Including room time and dinner. When I was traveling a few weeks back I saw 3 SA girls. And two of the three slept over for no extra charge. So it's really a nice girlfriendy experience.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2403003]This is some great info and I would say spot on for the ones we have in common. I would add the following tho for those considering these countries:

So Paulo. Absolutely can get a good quality experience for $30. But if you want top worldwide kind of experience you can also pay $300 (includes club, drinks, girl hotel) and go to Scandallo. 100+ super hot girls in a luxe club. My favorite place in the world.

London. IMO bait and switch is only risked with indies or low class agencies. With a high class agency like Diva or Admiral you will absolutely get the girl. And if well reviewed have a top experience. Probably my second favorite worldwide destination.

Tokyo. Yes $400 is high. But 90 minutes of mat play and 2 x sex with a hot girl is worth it IMO. I had never done met play until this last year and WOW I am going back!

USA. Seeking Arrangement is where it's at in the US. My experience is for the price of an hour with a hooker in the US ($400-500) yeah I know! You can get with a super pretty less experienced girl for a few hours. Including room time and dinner. When I was traveling a few weeks back I saw 3 SA girls. And two of the three slept over for no extra charge. So it's really a nice girlfriendy experience.[/QUOTE]I'll try your advice and try the higher end agencies in London. See if my opinion of London can be redeemed. I will have to try Scandallo. I've only tried the brothels in SP, and also had lots of good luck with freebies from Tinder.

I've not tried SA. I always thought that was for long term SD / SB arrangements. I might have to try for P4 P then.

Thanks!

Steve,

Clear your inbox.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2403003]This is some great info and I would say spot on for the ones we have in common. I would add the following tho for those considering these countries:

So Paulo. Absolutely can get a good quality experience for $30. But if you want top worldwide kind of experience you can also pay $300 (includes club, drinks, girl hotel) and go to Scandallo. 100+ super hot girls in a luxe club. My favorite place in the world.

London. IMO bait and switch is only risked with indies or low class agencies. With a high class agency like Diva or Admiral you will absolutely get the girl. And if well reviewed have a top experience. Probably my second favorite worldwide destination.

Tokyo. Yes $400 is high. But 90 minutes of mat play and 2 x sex with a hot girl is worth it IMO. I had never done met play until this last year and WOW I am going back!

USA. Seeking Arrangement is where it's at in the US. My experience is for the price of an hour with a hooker in the US ($400-500) yeah I know! You can get with a super pretty less experienced girl for a few hours. Including room time and dinner. When I was traveling a few weeks back I saw 3 SA girls. And two of the three slept over for no extra charge. So it's really a nice girlfriendy experience.[/QUOTE]