Taipei

[QUOTE=Pickley;2792283]Hi Amakaze, no need for apology. It's all part is the experience. Like you, I also enjoy the thrill of the hunt. I knew what I was getting myself into and let the little head do the thinking. Only thing I regret from that encounter is how she was rough giving me a HJ. I think I need a couple days to heal LOL.[/QUOTE]It never ceases to amaze me how long a bad experience can linger!

I guess it's just because in this hobby, some of our providers are not exactly the girl next door. Some of them carry a lot of mental / emotional junk, and after their smile gets our money, they unleash their negativity.

But, then again, the opposite side of the spectrum also exists, surprisingly really nice ladies that are very appreciative of the money, keeping a customer, and accommodating. And, of course, others who seem to actually enjoy the act as much as we do.

I guess, as a general rule, younger providers carry less residual garbage and past negativity. When I walk the streets, I am on high alert to use my "spidey sense" to get past the appearance she presents to me, her body type, make-up, face, figure, clothes, plastered portrait smile, and try to discern if she is a good fit for myself.

Something I look for is the genuineness of her smile, and degree of body rigidity, eye demeanor, genuine wholesome appearance. I guess, also, all these aspects of investigation merge into a single instant, and we call it the "size-up. ".

It is especially challenging on a night when Kangding is in full bloom, which we are headed for come summer. The young viets are lined up, and they know how to doll up their appearance very well. It is easy to get tantalized and discombobulated by the glitter and miss the substance.

One thing I always study a bit more is her mid-section. Most girls are very adept at hiding a post-pregnancy roll. The more layered clothes, the more she is hiding.

But, like you said, Pickley, the trick is to remain "aware" and not let the "little head" interfere with the brain in the skull.

I am sure you guys have your own "Detective Columbo" methods of picking and choosing. Care to share?

[QUOTE=Amazake;2792462]It never ceases to amaze me how long a bad experience can linger!

I guess it's just because in this hobby, some of our providers are not exactly the girl next door. Some of them carry a lot of mental / emotional junk, and after their smile gets our money, they unleash their negativity.

But, then again, the opposite side of the spectrum also exists, surprisingly really nice ladies that are very appreciative of the money, keeping a customer, and accommodating. And, of course, others who seem to actually enjoy the act as much as we do.

I guess, as a general rule, younger providers carry less residual garbage and past negativity. When I walk the streets, I am on high alert to use my "spidey sense" to get past the appearance she presents to me, her body type, make-up, face, figure, clothes, plastered portrait smile, and try to discern if she is a good fit for myself.

Something I look for is the genuineness of her smile, and degree of body rigidity, eye demeanor, genuine wholesome appearance. I guess, also, all these aspects of investigation merge into a single instant, and we call it the "size-up. ".

It is especially challenging on a night when Kangding is in full bloom, which we are headed for come summer. The young viets are lined up, and they know how to doll up their appearance very well. It is easy to get tantalized and discombobulated by the glitter and miss the substance.

One thing I always study a bit more is her mid-section. Most girls are very adept at hiding a post-pregnancy roll. The more layered clothes, the more she is hiding.

But, like you said, Pickley, the trick is to remain "aware" and not let the "little head" interfere with the brain in the skull.

I am sure you guys have your own "Detective Columbo" methods of picking and choosing. Care to share?[/QUOTE]I think this is one of those "do as I say, not as I do" situations. I also think we all have a spidey sense. Especially if we've been in the hobby for a while. Rather than those cues, I feel like it's the intangibles that give you an impression of a person. While I've been proven wrong before, I think this air of thirsty / hungry / desperation to get you to bite is a red flag. It tells you what their #1 priority is, getting you to part with your money.

Amakaze, I do have a small question about the massage shops in the night market. First half was basically 80% foot massage places. Are these places legit? My gut veers to yes but some of them I feel like will offer something. My gut also tells me even if they offer HJ it will be bad service and overpriced. I actually did kind of want to get a legit foot massage that day haha.

And how do those places stay in business? There's like 100 foot massage shops right next to each other side by side. And they're all charging the same. How does so much competition synergize?

Caesar's world sauna. I read about it on the board and tried it out. I think it's a little expensive TBH but the massage I got was top notch. The girl literally broke me and made me cry; she had me biting on the towel by half way point. 4200 NT to go upstairs. Included is use of the facilities for 12 hours, food charge separately.

Upon arriving I was given a numbered locker key and ushered into the locker room to store my belongings. Then off to the bath to get cleaned. Take a soak in the hot water if you like as well. Others have said it's a bit hot but it's bearable. The cool off pool was way too cold so I skipped. Got a robe and headed to the main dining room. This is where you can chill, smoke and order food. After arriving at the main dining room I was offered a massage upstairs and I agreed. Honestly speaking asides from the masseuse looking hot in her tight dress, I didn't I was going to get any special service at the end. But I was proven wrong when she said she would reduce the special portion at the end to give me more legit massage time.

Special service time started with her lightly teasing my back with her fingertips. Then HJ, CBJ and FS. I was hurting too badly from the massage still and had some trouble. When we switched positions I went flaccid and had her beat the airplane. We were pretty rushed for time but she was a trooper and made sure I was relieved. People say this place isn't FS but it's really a YMMV thing. It was my first time here but I built up rapport with her the whole time and made her comfortable.

Then off downstairs to have a good hot soak and shower off before getting some food. Food is fairly cheap and mediocre quality. Not great but not as bad as people have made it out to be. I tried the three flavor chicken, which came in a sizzling pot with 2 sides and soup. It was actually pretty good. The only complaint is all the little bone fragments. Literally every bite of chicken had tiny pieces of bone. The side dishes and soup were cheap Chinese fast food tier. Egg and seaweed soup. You get the picture. Portion size was small per Taiwan standard. Tonight after that intense massage I was still famished after my meal. I went to check out the sleeping room after and took a brief respite before heading out. 4600 ish after food.

Here's a little report from my time in Taipei:

I saw a lot of working girls along the sides of the Xichang night market, but there were also many police officers. Sometimes the police and girls would be talking to each other. I didn't dare approach.

The highlight was visiting Helen from Euro, who has been mentioned on this forum before. She loves to lick ass. Her price is 10 k now, but it was the best ass licking I've ever had. 30 minutes of her going crazy down there while stroking me. It was like nothing I've ever experienced. I saw her a few times. She'll make you feel special.

I saw another girl, Karina (Filipina), from MR and had a terrible experience. When I showered, there were like ten condoms in the rubbish bin. I think she'd been fucking guys all day. She was exhausted and was like a dead body on the bed. She just laid on her face while I fucked her from behind. She had a bad attitude too. I'm not sure why I didn't just leave. She tried to guilt trip me about her poverty and even asked for a tip. The whole experience left me feeling bad about myself.

[QUOTE=JeffLovesNudes;2780022]I highly recommend a massage place I go to on 206 jilin Road. It's a short walk from xingtian temple station. This place became my regular because of no. 37. She's beautiful mid thirties, and very friendly and talkative. She also gives the best massages I've ever had. When it's almost time for the flip she'll do some light touching up and down my body which is my favorite part. When she goes back up she teases the prostate. Then she tells you to lift your butt and she'll start giving a rusty trombone. She does full service too. Every part of her massage is amazing.[/QUOTE]I tired this place, but number 37 wasn't available. I just took a random lady and didn't have a good experience. The massage was bad, and the whole thing was very rushed with her wanting me to come as fast as possible.

Seeking was also really bad. Slim pickings.

Bumble served me very well. I met some gorgeous girls. Great food in Taipei too.

[QUOTE=HughJass;2792622]Here's a little report from my time in Taipei:

I saw a lot of working girls along the sides of the Xichang night market, but there were also many police officers. Sometimes the police and girls would be talking to each other. I didn't dare approach.

The highlight was visiting Helen from Euro, who has been mentioned on this forum before. She loves to lick ass. Her price is 10 k now, but it was the best ass licking I've ever had. 30 minutes of her going crazy down there while stroking me. It was like nothing I've ever experienced. I saw her a few times. She'll make you feel special.

I saw another girl, Karina (Filipina), from MR and had a terrible experience. When I showered, there were like ten condoms in the rubbish bin. I think she'd been fucking guys all day. She was exhausted and was like a dead body on the bed. She just laid on her face while I fucked her from behind. She had a bad attitude too. I'm not sure why I didn't just leave. She tried to guilt trip me about her poverty and even asked for a tip. The whole experience left me feeling bad about myself.

I tired this place, but number 37 wasn't available. I just took a random lady and didn't have a good experience. The massage was bad, and the whole thing was very rushed with her wanting me to come as fast as possible.

Seeking was also really bad. Slim pickings.

Bumble served me very well. I met some gorgeous girls. Great food in Taipei too.[/QUOTE]Bumble for working girls or just casual sex?

[QUOTE=AsiaFever;2792650]Bumble for working girls or just casual sex?[/QUOTE]Not working girls. Sorry, I should have elaborated more. Bumble is not an easy way to find casual sex. It takes a lot of time and effort. That's why I also was involved in pay to play. Most the girls on Bumble are looking for commitment, not all though.

[QUOTE=Amazake;2792350]Most massage places are ripe for some activity. Also, in Taoyuan in back of the Jing Fu Gong Temple around the Bo'ai, ZhongZheng, Minquan, Taoyuan streets are non-legit massages.[/QUOTE]Anything in the linkou part of taoyuan? I'm ABC so I need a little more guidance not a local.

[QUOTE=Pickley;2792616]Caesar's world sauna. I read about it on the board and tried it out. I think it's a little expensive TBH but the massage I got was top notch. The girl literally broke me and made me cry; she had me biting on the towel by half way point. 4200 NT to go upstairs. Included is use of the facilities for 12 hours, food charge separately.

Upon arriving I was given a numbered locker key and ushered into the locker room to store my belongings. Then off to the bath to get cleaned. Take a soak in the hot water if you like as well. Others have said it's a bit hot but it's bearable. The cool off pool was way too cold so I skipped. Got a robe and headed to the main dining room. This is where you can chill, smoke and order food. After arriving at the main dining room I was offered a massage upstairs and I agreed. Honestly speaking asides from the masseuse looking hot in her tight dress, I didn't I was going to get any special service at the end. But I was proven wrong when she said she would reduce the special portion at the end to give me more legit massage time.

Special service time started with her lightly teasing my back with her fingertips. Then HJ, CBJ and FS. I was hurting too badly from the massage still and had some trouble. When we switched positions I went flaccid and had her beat the airplane. We were pretty rushed for time but she was a trooper and made sure I was relieved. People say this place isn't FS but it's really a YMMV thing. It was my first time here but I built up rapport with her the whole time and made her comfortable.

Then off downstairs to have a good hot soak and shower off before getting some food. Food is fairly cheap and mediocre quality. Not great but not as bad as people have made it out to be. I tried the three flavor chicken, which came in a sizzling pot with 2 sides and soup. It was actually pretty good. The only complaint is all the little bone fragments. Literally every bite of chicken had tiny pieces of bone. The side dishes and soup were cheap Chinese fast food tier. Egg and seaweed soup. You get the picture. Portion size was small per Taiwan standard. Tonight after that intense massage I was still famished after my meal. I went to check out the sleeping room after and took a brief respite before heading out. 4600 ish after food.[/QUOTE]It is a bit pricey but it was the same price when I visited 5 years ago. I remember the host who led me to the back was really hot.

[QUOTE=Pickley;2792539]I think this is one of those "do as I say, not as I do" situations. I also think we all have a spidey sense. Especially if we've been in the hobby for a while. Rather than those cues, I feel like it's the intangibles that give you an impression of a person. While I've been proven wrong before, I think this air of thirsty / hungry / desperation to get you to bite is a red flag. It tells you what their #1 priority is, getting you to part with your money.

Amakaze, I do have a small question about the massage shops in the night market. First half was basically 80% foot massage places. Are these places legit? My gut veers to yes but some of them I feel like will offer something. My gut also tells me even if they offer HJ it will be bad service and overpriced. I actually did kind of want to get a legit foot massage that day haha.

And how do those places stay in business? There's like 100 foot massage shops right next to each other side by side. And they're all charging the same. How does so much competition synergize?[/QUOTE]Foot Massage is Great. $299 NT for 40 minutes. Many shops do foot massage downstairs in storefront clear glass window legit, with full body 2 hours upstairs, legit, except sometimes you can cross over into a bit of the dark side.

Also, don't forget all the pedicure / manicure Viet shops, especially in the Huaxi Night Market Arcade. I go there now, also, and after that get a foot massage there, and then some of them do full body if it has a big back room or upstairs. I never got extras there but it seems like with continuous patronage, it might be possible. I just got that vibe and smiles last time I had manicure / pedicure and foot and leg massage. They are starting to feel comfortable with me as a steady no-grief foreign customer. It takes a while to establish trust.

But, even if totally legit, sometimes a nice foot massage is Seventh Heaven.

Of course, Kangding massage parlors, and Heping, and Guilin, Xichang and anyplace with dark glass are obviously open to whatever you want. And, I have also gotten "blind massage" in the MRT station there. Other stations have sword massage.

In that Wanhua area, there are three or four almost franchise-looking large massage stores with huge massage menus, clear glass windows, usually older women giving either neck and back or foot baths and leg and foot massage in the first floor for all to see from the roadside. They are run by the same owner, I was told, and girls rotate between those 3 or 4 stores. If you get a great massage, get her card and her number and keep it. That could be a great healing massage. But upstairs you can get an hour or two of intense massage with scraping and cupping, back-walking, steaming towels, at a package deal of around 1000 nt 1100 nt, 1200 nt. And, they have finished me off with a nice release, "sometimes. ".

I mean, you are RIGHT. A good legit is just WONDERFUL! And, for as low as $299 NT, 40 minutes footbath and leg and foot massage is cheap and healing, and you might move onto other darker activities, or just float in home and save it until another day. A lot is going on there, and bargains can be had.

Except, one night I had an appointment for a 2 hour massage, and the lady they wanted to give me looked like she was well past 80 years old. I just flat out refused, turned my back with the owner pleading with me to return for a younger girl, but I was perturbed with the owner for attempting that. Especially since I have been there for massages with girls in their twenties.

[QUOTE=HughJass;2792814]Not working girls. Sorry, I should have elaborated more. Bumble is not an easy way to find casual sex. It takes a lot of time and effort. That's why I also was involved in pay to play. Most the girls on Bumble are looking for commitment, not all though.[/QUOTE]The apps are a lot of work. Especially if we're genuine and not trying to scum these girls. Kinda ironic it feels like a lot of us hobbyist are more upstanding than your average thirsty Joes.

[QUOTE=Jizzme;2792854]Anything in the linkou part of taoyuan? I'm ABC so I need a little more guidance not a local.[/QUOTE]JKF is your friend. You will run into a wall if you don't have a local number to verify with them though. Like 95% will turn you down. 2-2. 5 k /60/1-2's. Usually 1 shot. Taoyuan prices will be on the lower side or higher value too. The higher priced 3 k+ girls are usually less caring about your phone number. Upside is the pricing and the service. It's usually much more GFE. If you do some research and read comments on JKF you will find the dark brotherhood compendium. Hundreds of reviews of girls who have posted in the last 2 months. You can find that small horse with LG extra big TV. I am still figuring this all out as well.

[QUOTE=Jizzme;2792855]It is a bit pricey but it was the same price when I visited 5 years ago. I remember the host who led me to the back was really hot.[/QUOTE]My host was like 35-40, shirt hair and nice looking too.

[QUOTE=Amazake;2792887]Foot Massage is Great. $299 NT for 40 minutes. Many shops do foot massage downstairs in storefront clear glass window legit, with full body 2 hours upstairs, legit, except sometimes you can cross over into a bit of the dark side.

Also, don't forget all the pedicure / manicure Viet shops, especially in the Huaxi Night Market Arcade. I go there now, also, and after that get a foot massage there, and then some of them do full body if it has a big back room or upstairs. I never got extras there but it seems like with continuous patronage, it might be possible. I just got that vibe and smiles last time I had manicure / pedicure and foot and leg massage. They are starting to feel comfortable with me as a steady no-grief foreign customer. It takes a while to establish trust.

But, even if totally legit, sometimes a nice foot massage is Seventh Heaven.

Of course, Kangding massage parlors, and Heping, and Guilin, Xichang and anyplace with dark glass are obviously open to whatever you want. And, I have also gotten "blind massage" in the MRT station there. Other stations have sword massage.

In that Wanhua area, there are three or four almost franchise-looking large massage stores with huge massage menus, clear glass windows, usually older women giving either neck and back or foot baths and leg and foot massage in the first floor for all to see from the roadside. They are run by the same owner, I was told, and girls rotate between those 3 or 4 stores. If you get a great massage, get her card and her number and keep it. That could be a great healing massage. But upstairs you can get an hour or two of intense massage with scraping and cupping, back-walking, steaming towels, at a package deal of around 1000 nt 1100 nt, 1200 nt. And, they have finished me off with a nice release, "sometimes. ".

I mean, you are RIGHT. A good legit is just WONDERFUL! And, for as low as $299 NT, 40 minutes footbath and leg and foot massage is cheap and healing, and you might move onto other darker activities, or just float in home and save it until another day. A lot is going on there, and bargains can be had.

Except, one night I had an appointment for a 2 hour massage, and the lady they wanted to give me looked like she was well past 80 years old. I just flat out refused, turned my back with the owner pleading with me to return for a younger girl, but I was perturbed with the owner for attempting that. Especially since I have been there for massages with girls in their twenties.[/QUOTE]Right now I actually crave legit healing massages way more to sooth my aching body.

Yay I'm a senior now. I vaguely remember two decades ago you only needed like 10 or 15 posts to be a senior. No more feeling like I'm communicating from the dark ages.

[QUOTE=Pickley;2793042]Yay I'm a senior now. I vaguely remember two decades ago you only needed like 10 or 15 posts to be a senior. No more feeling like I'm communicating from the dark ages.[/QUOTE]Great, because behind your back, us "SENIOR MEMBERS" called you names like "rookie. " (LOL) But, now you are amongst "The Board Elders," and I believe you are entitled to receive a toaster. (LOL).

All kidding aside, "Congratulations" are in order.

[QUOTE=Pickley;2793042]Yay I'm a senior now. I vaguely remember two decades ago you only needed like 10 or 15 posts to be a senior. No more feeling like I'm communicating from the dark ages.[/QUOTE]Congrats! Yes it takes a while to get upgraded. I'm usually on usg tho.

MR. PICKLEY: (senior member) "Right now I actually crave legit healing massages way more to sooth my aching body. ".

I forgot to mention that a couple of weeks ago I went for a doubles massage (she quite intelligently ignored my erection) with my wife. She went online and found a highly-rated Thai place at a good price. They book up fast on the weekends if they are good legit. Many women and more respectable types that far exceed myself go for peace and healing. I forget where it was because it was my wife's deal. But it was excellent, and they gave us tea and red bean soup and cookies following the 100 minute massage.

Anyway, the only reason I mention it, is that I was being nosey looking around the harmonious shop, and on the wall, I saw the girl's pictures on a certificate from a Thai Massage Institute in Taiwan. So, in order to work there in a Thai Spa in Taiwan, they were required to attend and pass a course in the discipline of Thai style massage.

That is very important, because many AMP's (Asian Massage Parlors) around the world, employ inept, untrained, unprofessional workers who rush through the worthless massage to get to tip time, and short you your minutes by half or even more.

These girls that were licensed by the Thai Massage training school in Taiwan, gave myself and my wife an excellent massage that lingered as a healing energy for at least a few days, until I could over-exercise and push myself compulsively to achieve tightness again.

New to mongering overseas.

Wanted to write-up about my experiences for other noobs.

Online Options:

From reading through everything, here's what I was able to gather.

We have a few options: MR, CoL, Euro, and JKF. There's also a telegram group that links to a Line contact.

I worried about getting a post-op, so it seemed JKF was a good to try. Found one ad that caught my eye after reading through the "reviews."

It's funny how this all works the same no matter where you are in the world, but after contacting them and going through a two step process, I ended up at a notel / motel type establishment. It was easy enough to get there. When I reached the room, what I was presented with was not what I expected. Classic bait and switch. She wasn't gross though so I ended up sticking around. Very mechanical so I just got what I came for and left.

Offline Options:

Apparently, there are Tea Houses, a concept that's specific to Taiwan I believe, KTVs, Hostess Bars, Massage Parlors, and Street Walker (FL) types.

I don't normally dabble in this area. I'll be attempting to do so for the first time in Thailand. I'll research into this aspect a bit more and update my post with that info.