Phnom Penh

First time at PP for the last three days, primarily for work related travel. Had some fun in the nights:

1. 252 Massa.

Directions are easy and there are enough indicators as well.

Walked in and sat at the sofa. Three Viets and about 10 Khmers. Decent line up at 7 pm. Picked up Viet No. 21.

Walked to the counter directly and paid $7 in exact change. When he protested, I acted confident and told him that last time I gave $6 and now I know its $7. He was OK.

After a non existent massage the negotiations started. I was keen on only BJ and after a few minutes of haggling, settled at $30 for two BJs. What followed was a good session of deep BJs. The first was easier for her but she really had to work hard for the second!

Looks 6/10.

Attitude 7/10.

Skills 7/10.

2. Second night was quite late due to work as well as a long time at Naga casinos. So ended with a massage near the river side for two hours. Massage was good with the standard rates and a happy ending.

3. Third night was back to the Naga Casinos for more time. At 2 am the crowd was thin at DD and picked up Annie who came back with me to the hotel. Very petite 22 yo. I was staying near the airport and felt safer when she was asked to deposit her ID with the security. In the room it was a good GFE with some time in the tub followed by session 1. Then a break for chat over some wine and then onto session 2. Sent her off at 6 am since I had to leave for the airport at 7.30.

Looks: 7/10.

Body: Petite 8/10.

Attitude: 8/10.

Damages: $80.

Managed to catch the flight just in time!

Hopped around the bars tonight on street 136 and vicinity. Not a big fan.

As USAinEurope mentioned Intoxica had hot girls.

Going rate all along was $50 for short time plus $10 for barfine. I could not get anyone to budge. Actually I got one down to 40 but didn't think it was worth it. I insisted that I always pay $30 but no go.

I met this girl Ahny on Tinder that said she works at Candy Bar. Dressed sexy but something was off, think she may have been a ladyboy. Then I ended up going across the street where there were some hotter girls. Again one average girl, who was acceptable for short time inisted on $50 + 10, then she tried to pass me to another girl who would go for $40 + 10 but didn't speak any English and felt like I was being manipulated. Not to be cheap but I'd also not like to help support these inflated prices. But at the end of the day it is only $10 and when I go back to USA these kind of prices for sex are still unheard of.

The freelancers seemed a bit skechy and a lot of ladyboys mixed in.

Another tinder girl, Theary, worked at a hair salon off 136. After a bit of a chat I asked if she was ladyboy. What can I say, I am a bit paranoid because they are everywhere, try swiping in Pattaya or Bangkok, 90% of the smoking "hot" girls will be ladyboys. Anyway, she avoided the question, and when putting her on the spot she said she was a lady. She did not ask for any money and said she wanted to meet for drink. I met her by her salon and smoking hot body but of cause my ladyboy radar was beeping like crazy. Could not help but bring it up again even though I pissed her off to the point of f'king it up. No matter how hot she looked, no regrets, always would have been on back of my mind.

Trying to find 252 area, looked on map and it seems kind of far. Not sure if I am looking at right spot. Is it parallel to 274 right off 63?

[QUOTE=ScottoD;2096221]Trying to find 252 area, looked on map and it seems kind of far. Not sure if I am looking at right spot. Is it parallel to 274 right off 63?[/QUOTE]Street 252 - Yes, that is the area. Google map works well. Just type in Street 252, and it comes up.

It's only about a mile away. A $2 tuk-tuk ride from the riverside.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2096143]You did not go to Vietnam for Viet gals back in the day; you went to Cambo.[/QUOTE]Yup, the good old days. I still like to talk about the good old days, even though some people on this board whine about talking about the past.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2096271]Street 252 - Yes, that is the area. Google map works well. Just type in Street 252, and it comes up.

It's only about a mile away. A $2 tuk-tuk ride from the riverside.
.[/QUOTE]Where dol you normally tell the tuk tuk to drop off? Since advised not to arrive by tuk tuk.

[QUOTE=ScottoD;2096336]Where dol you normally tell the tuk tuk to drop off? Since advised not to arrive by tuk tuk.[/QUOTE]I don't normally go to that area, but I would just say Street 252, and say stop away from that place. Street 252 is a very short street. Note: some transport drivers won't know where it is if you say Street 252. One advantage of taking a tuk tuk from a tourist area (such as Street 136) is that the driver will ask other drivers where it is if he doesn't know where it is. You can potentially get the tuk tuk for $1.25 or $1.50, especially if you get the tuk tuk away from the local team that hangs around Street 136. During the night, there will be tuk tuks that hang around on the other side of riverside, but those drivers normally will not speak any English. The solution is to get a smart phone with Google maps, and you tell them where to go.

If you take the tuk tuk to that place, or if the tuk tuk driver follows you there, you can probably get the normal price by just standing you ground and stating that you will pay the normal price (with a smile) and be prepare to walk out. But not sure since I've never been to that place.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2096343]If you take the tuk tuk to that place, or if the tuk tuk driver follows you there, you can probably get the normal price by just standing you ground and stating that you will pay the normal price and be prepare to walk out. But not sure since I've never been to that place.[/QUOTE]If you let any driver (especially from the riverside) take you to st252 you will be walking out.

Take a tuk to Lucky Supermarket on Sihanouk. It's a short walk from there.

[QUOTE=MeoDen;2092163]This is strictly for newbies. Others please ignore.

Massage brothel variously known as '168' '252' 'Yang Mei' 'Yang Chou'.

1) Do not arrive by tuktuk or motodop.

2) Have $7 exact change for massage.

3) Do not approach the desk. Sit at fish bowl and make selection. Casually confirm with staff you know the price is $7 / hour.

4) Once in room with girl, tell her you want a massage. Fairly early in the proceedings let her know that you pay $25 for nyum nyum boom boom. Add that you pay the cashier $7.

5) Give her time to agree. Usual rules of negotiation: be pleasant, friendly, stick to your price.

6) Afterwards, give her the agreed fee, as opposed to more than the agreed fee.

7) Walk with her to the cashier and hand him the $7. They may try to charge you more if you overrun the 60 minutes, so you might like to note the time.[/QUOTE]I tried to follow this advice. I went there around 1 pm, hopefully correct place, diagonally across from a Thai restaurant. I walked up the steps and I sat down. Mamasan sat down next me and I said $7 per hour, she nodded and told me about the Vietnamese and Cambodians colors. There were not many Vietnamese and none seemed interesting. This girl in the front, skinny, dark eyebrows, I forget her number 31 maybe. Could not speak english, When she got up I did not think she was as skinny from bottom, she was not bad but kind of had 2nd thoughts. Male cashier asked to pay first and I said pay after and he said ok.

Anyway went to room. She started giving me shitty massage clothed. Tried to tell her I wanted boom boom and she said $80 . I insisted on $25 and said I come here alot (even though first time). Anyway, she would not budge, maybe she said $60 but I was like $25. Finally I got annoyed and said $25 or $0. She still did not agree so I got up and walked out. I told mamasan I was not happy and wanted another. This time I chose #4 who was my 2nd choice initially. She was not even visible but I remember her and told mamasan. She was cuter than the first. Her name was something like Malai. As 15 minutes I spent with first girl had passed, the cashier insisted I pay, I gave him $7.

We get to the room and this girls english sucked too but at least she could converse. She starts massaging, better than the first girl. And then I ask about boom boom. She says $60 , I say $25 , finally she says $30 and for the $5 I was not going to waste any more time. This negotiation was killing the fun. This is why I like Soi 6 in Pattaya better.

Then when were about to start I realized my mistake. Stupid of me to assume that boom boom includes blow job. I forgot the nyum nyum. She would not do it. I kept saying for $30 I want nyum nyum boom boom but she said that's not what we agreed. This went back and forth for a bit and totally killed mood. She was saying something like no boom boom you still pay $30 cause we agreed or outside. That did not sound pleasant so forked up another $5 to add in the nyum nyum. She then started and rectified the mood kill. It was good, tried a few positions and then finished and paid. Enjoyed it but was not worth the hassle for sure. Though slightly more expensive the soapies I've tried in Thailand and Soi 6 I've had better experience.

She said most people do pay her $50 for both nyum nyum and boom boom

Had to give her $40 because I did not have any 5's but she gave me $5 change in real so it was fine. I thought desk was going to milk me for another $7 because I tried two girls but I just walked down the steps and out without even going back to fishbowl room.

So all in all maybe I overpaid $10 but no tip so not too off.

@Greenbud thanks . I did not see your reply til after the fact. I ended up walking there. It was far and hot but pleasant. On return I told driver $1, showed him gps and he said $3. I said $2 which is what I intended to pay and started to walk. He stopped by and said he'll take you , passing me to another driver. I got rid of some of the Cambodian change I got from Malai.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2096143]Viets are white skinned and to my eye far better looking. As a rule I don't find Khmer gals attractive. The one that have a lot of Chinese in them are ok. Also a very different culture. Different attitudes towards sex as well. You did not go to Vietnam for Viet gals back in the day; you went to Cambo.[/QUOTE]OK just wondering. I will taste by myself at both places.

[QUOTE=ScottoD;2096221]Hopped around the bars tonight on street 136 and vicinity. Not a big fan.

As USAinEurope mentioned Intoxica had hot girls.

Going rate all along was $50 for short time plus $10 for barfine. I could not get anyone to budge. Actually I got one down to 40 but didn't think it was worth it. I insisted that I always pay $30 but no go.
[/QUOTE]This is where being cheap fucks you. It's a smoking hot very young woman who you're forcing to some extent to fuck you. And not only fuck you but do it to your happiness and be totally into you as well.

Look. I get it. If I don't feel like she's a super fuck then I'll be the first to rip her on here.

But man. Mongers turning away sex for $10 just makes no sense. For a stupidly hot and enjoyable experience. But I read it all the time. Thing is, if you overpay the "inflated price" and don't even haggle in these 3rd world poor cities, you're going to get 10 x the experience. At least that's what I've learned. My amazing all-timer from PP was $60ST but it turned into all night, suprise lactation, as much sex as we could have, and the feeling that she'the drop everything and be my GF if I asked.

So all I'm saying (not blasting you at all as I've done the haggle that gets me with my own hand that night) is just pay the extra almost nothing amount and help the poor girl out. It's not like she's asking $400/ HR.

[QUOTE=ScottoD;2096408]I tried to follow this advice...... On return I told driver $1, showed him gps and he said $3. I said $2 which is what I intended to pay and started to walk. He stopped by and said he'll take you , passing me to another driver. I got rid of some of the Cambodian change I got from Malai.[/QUOTE]Good report. That is the place. Selection may well be better after 5 pm.

Note that the girls may change their numbers, and obviously new girls may be given the numbers of others who have left.

It's refreshing that you had little difficulty getting the correct $7 price. So many reports here of the desk ripping off newbies. Simply saying 'I always pay $7' or 'I paid $6 before' seems to work.

I believe the second girl was telling the truth about what she gets ($50). Some of these girls will not do BJs and some who will agree will only do covered BJs. My view is that if they are reluctant it isn't going to be any good. Offering them a lot more can be unfairly coercive, and can backfire.

There is no comparison between this kind of place and Soi 6 in Pattaya. The average quality and performance of these girls just can't be worth $7+50 or $15+80, although good luck to them if / when they get it.

The only quibble I have is you mentioned not tipping. Tipping here is only seen as an indication that you want to pay more than the agreed price of anything, and can have very negative repercussions.

What you did with the tuktuk works perfectly well with the girls. You stood firm on $2 and got the ride you wanted. Did it cross your mind that you should tip him an extra dollar? He would only have seen you as finally paying $3.

Don't worry about those drivers. They do OK. Most have a girl in the MP they are pimping.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2096567]This is where being cheap fucks you. It's a smoking hot very young woman who you're forcing to some extent to fuck you. And not only fuck you but do it to your happiness and be totally into you as well.

Look. I get it. If I don't feel like she's a super fuck then I'll be the first to rip her on here.

But man. Mongers turning away sex for $10 just makes no sense. For a stupidly hot and enjoyable experience. But I read it all the time. Thing is, if you overpay the "inflated price" and don't even haggle in these 3rd world poor cities, you're going to get 10 x the experience. At least that's what I've learned. My amazing all-timer from PP was $60ST but it turned into all night, suprise lactation, as much sex as we could have, and the feeling that she'the drop everything and be my GF if I asked.

So all I'm saying (not blasting you at all as I've done the haggle that gets me with my own hand that night) is just pay the extra almost nothing amount and help the poor girl out. It's not like she's asking $400/ HR.[/QUOTE]I thought you were saying you got $60 LT off the bat, that's why I thought $50 short time was inflated. I guess its normal on 136. Its not really my scene though. I think I prefer to meet freelancers in a club. In these bars I felt a lot of pressure to buy drinks, people standing over you, asking you to sit. Trying to sit you next to ugly girls. Etc. Ironically I liked Mickeys in Siem Reap which I walked into by mistake. Much more low key.

You were dead on though as far as Intoxica having better looking women in general compared to others.

[QUOTE=UsaInEurope;2093263]I could have held out for $50 long term but she wanted $60 and WTF. I'm not a cheapskate, doesn't mean much to me, means a ton to her. So, fine. $60. Cheap by any international standard. Shoot me if you want for "Raising the rate for everyone else. ".[/QUOTE]That's the way I look at it. Well done.

Located on Pasteur- Across the street from Pontoon.

Very nice and low key place. Music is not too loud. Girls are friendly. Nothing superstar quality. Ages from 19 to 36. Seemed to be about a dozen on duty, Friday and Saturday night.

Interesting place if you want to take a girl out. No traditional straight barfine. Instead girl can leave if you run up a sufficient tab. Requirement is that you buy her at least 5 lady drinks (these are $3.50 or $4.50) and also that the tab totals at least $30 dollars. So getting the girl out can cost a lot more than at the traditionally structured beer bars.

I found a girl I liked on Friday night and returned on Saturday to pull her out for the evening. 5 drinks for her $17.50- 2 drinks for each of two friends- $14.00 Plus one coke for me $2.50? Total was about $34.00 Then we left.

Based on this pricing structure most of these girls are not taken out very often. Possibly never. Not a real monger's destination.

Doesn't seem to be a hotel thread for PP. I searched on hotels and did see a few recommended, but specifically I'm looking for a hotel recommendation for a 5 night stay in January. My must have list includes comfortable bed, good AC, fridge, no hassles having a girl over, good location and most of all quiet (I'm a light sleeper). 3 to 4 stars is always my sweet spot not not opposed to paying a little more to get a splash of luxury.

Thanks in advance, I'll post a detailed trip report when I get home.

I got the recommendation for a ST hotel near 51, but there's got to be something around 136 that won't ask for my ID. Sorry I keep noting that I don't want to be carded by the front desk, but a ST hotel on Patpong once requested an ID from me and I don't need that kids the of exposure.