Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2327294]There used to be lots of African ladies (and African men selling dope) along lower Sukhumvit and along soi Nana, but I was in Nana 2 nights ago (Saturday night) and then walked from Nana up to soi Cowboy, it was about 10 pm and I did not see any Africans! No ladies, no men. Not one![/QUOTE]Maybe you were out too early. I saw 2 or 3 tonight. In the last year or so, I only saw one I really wanted badly (unfortunately was in my regular Sports bar), and never found her again.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2327360]Really? That's interesting. I thought most guys love it when the male patrons strip nude and dance on the stage with the girls. The party hasn't started until someone takes their clothes off.[/QUOTE]Why are you quoting my post from Jan 2017? Looking for an excuse to make a satirical remark?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2327362]Why are you quoting my post from Jan 2017?[/QUOTE]I was looking for that old photo of Ice since someone else asked for me to post it again. Unfortunately I don't see it. I happened upon this post and decided to comment. Has your opinion changed on the matter since 2017?

First was at Soi 4, looking for the hot deaf girl. Some deaf girls signing, but not the right one.

Peeked in Long Gun due to seeing a hot girl enter there the other night. Stage was full of nude girls dancing, all Milfy types, none skinny, and 80%+ were fat or at least chubby. Quite a bit of large naturals going, for large tit lovers. One older woman had well beyond Double DS, possibly an F to G cup, seemed quite natural. Bare exposed pussy on chubby girls does not seem to excite.

All the slimmer girls were wearing bikinis (not on stage at the time), and possibly all had double layer bras to indicate Coyotes. None really exceptionally pretty in the face.

All customers were farangs, except one Asian dude in the corner buying drinks for 3 or 4 Coyotes. A bar quite low on surgeries. Did not even notice any nose jobs, and only 1 or 2 sets of sillies. Did not find the target girl or anyone of equal standard. Then some boring shows started.

Peeked in Dollhouse too. Much slimmer girls in there. No nudes or topless downstairs. Some nice asses on display. A lot of double layer bras so I could not be sure if they were "coyotes" or not (not dancing Coyote style and not wearing cut off short shorts). The skinny girls seemed to lack curves. Too straight from waist to thigh. The lighting was quite poor. I think they don't want you to see that the faces are really not that special. Just above average overall. Again all the customers were Farang. I guess nothing really to Asian taste or maybe is just the style of the joint. Nothing to bring me back either. I greatly prefer Kazy Kozy, with some hot nudes in there.

I probably only do Shark sometimes due to my regular girls there, so the rest of the Soi is not very exciting, one or two okay Girls in 5 Star for me (the best ones seem to be gone).

In Nana I don't really go for any bars other than Billboard, these days. Might be time to try Natty's Phat Phong bars.

In old days Long Gun slim girls would have been dancing nude too. All these fake Coyotes have stuffed it up, and the rest of the Soi, except for a very few bars with no Coyotes and no LBs. Not many of those left, but Kazy Kozy is in that category. So okay For an occasional visit for me. Nana Coyotes are preferred even if they don't know how to Coyote dance, because at least they are mostly available for fucking at reasonable prices, and can get a peek at the tits usually.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2327369]Peeked in Long Gun One older woman had well beyond Double DS, possibly an F to G cup, seemed quite natural.[/QUOTE]She's been there a while. Nice girl to chat with, and has huge tits, but her tits are too soft for me. She's obviously had kids.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2327369]First was at Soi 4, looking for the hot deaf girl. Some deaf girls signing, but not the right one.

Peeked in Long Gun due to seeing a hot girl enter there the other night. Stage was full of nude girls dancing, all Milfy types, none skinny, and 80%+ were fat or at least chubby. Quite a bit of large naturals going, for large tit lovers. One older woman had well beyond Double DS, possibly an F to G cup, seemed quite natural. Bare exposed pussy on chubby girls does not seem to excite.

All the slimmer girls were wearing bikinis (not on stage at the time), and possibly all had double layer bras to indicate Coyotes. None really exceptionally pretty in the face.

All customers were farangs, except one Asian dude in the corner buying drinks for 3 or 4 Coyotes. A bar quite low on surgeries. Did not even notice any nose jobs, and only 1 or 2 sets of sillies. Did not find the target girl or anyone of equal standard. Then some boring shows started..[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm being naive but would it be ridiculous to ask one of her fellow SWs who the elusive dream mute girl is? WOuld another mute girl know her name at least if nothing else like contacts deet. Someone who can speak Thai (Syz) maybe could be lip read (Then again, maybe this is a shot in the dark.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2327102]I haven't been to Bangkok in about a year, but that is now the going rate for a short time? I hope not.[/QUOTE]Butterflies has some hookers that charge 1500 BF 3000 for them.

Its a bit different in each place I've been.

Most I think are 4000 total, give or take 500?

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2327151]
I saw many WGs it was Saturday night.

I didn't want any of them.[/QUOTE]Is this a case of sour grapes? Or there were no girls that you really wanted to pick? Genuine question.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2327179]I have been told I write near English too. That means the grammar is not quite right, and maybe missing words in my case or typos. I did read the question. Don't be too sensitive. Nice you reworded to make it more meaningful.[/QUOTE]I don't even need to read the name to know that it is Syzygies who posted. Your style is distinctive German-English. I don't mind reading the posts though as they are sometimes interesting.

Does anyone know of a massage place or oily where the girls display them selves in bikini's?

The now defunct Annies used to have their ladies in bikinis but it seems every other place has them wearing dresses. Once the dress comes off it can be a complete lottery. Sometimes a horror show actually.

Anyone with ideas?

[QUOTE=Laosman;2327501]I don't even need to read the name to know that it is Syzygies who posted. Your style is distinctive German-English. I don't mind reading the posts though as they are sometimes interesting.[/QUOTE]Didn't he say in a while ago post that he is an Aussie?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2327498]Is this a case of sour grapes? Or there were no girls that you really wanted to pick? Genuine question.[/QUOTE]If I have a pocket full of pesos but I see nothing I want, or feel is worth the insane price of 10000.

How is that sour grapes? Seriously?

When you walk up the stairs, and open the door.

You have girls sitting at the bar, like they are sitting at a funeral.

How is that enticing? I'm not one of those chumps that think if I give them enough money.

I can make them happy, and maybe they will reciprocate lmao.

I walked in and out of several of the bars on Burgos, I didn't see one hooker I wanted.

I left for Angeles a few hours later, I will say the bars there aren't any better, just cheaper.

Is that sour grapes?

Angeles bars will hire any hooker (I think manila will also).

Rotten teeth, crooked teeth / chipped, cavities on front teeth / missing front teeth.

Beer bellies or as they are called jolibelllies, saggy ass tits.

I saw bar girls working on walking street on different occasions.

And street girls working in the bars.

Its all one ecosystem.

I think I studied it well, almost 4 months of hitting it hard 24/7.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2327498]Is this a case of sour grapes? Or there were no girls that you really wanted to pick? Genuine question.[/QUOTE]There is a term in economics called "demand destruction" which simply means the price has been raised to a point where it begins to destroy demand.

I see it in Angeles / manila bars, I don't know how many stay open.

Is demand destruction, sour grapes? I say not.

If mongers do not want something for the price being offered.

That's not sour grapes.

Philippine bars are horrible, the quality is terrible and the price is non negotiable LMAO (of course you have to find ways around this).

So the best monger in the world is expected to pay the same as the worst.

Regardless of the hookers value, whether she is the very top girl or the very bottom.

I've never seen anything so retarded in my life.

Well, I see bars that are very empty in BKK as well, in very high rent areas.

I think how do they stay even open?

Just the rent alone must be killing them.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;2323096]I have not spend much time in Bangkok lately. When I have been here, it had been a short stopover, 12 to 16 hours. I have 2 time made a short report about to enjoy a short stopover. Now I can stay for 2 full days and I want to take FL or Beer Garten girl. Can anyone help me a little bit and tell me how much I should expect to pay for ST or LT. And what are the opening hours for Beer Garten. Thank you for help.[/QUOTE]I can still be surprised. A new member ask a quistion about hotel and he got a lot of answers. Me, a senior member, ask a quistion, but got no answer at all. Well, I did not worry but looked forward to stay in Bangkok. Here is my report:

I arrived to my hotel "The Promenade" Suhkumvit Road soi 8 at 9 pm. A nice and very cheap hotel. Nice and clean room. A small, but nice and clean pool on the rooftop. Friendly staff. I really needed a shower after the fligth.

After that I headed to Bamboo Massage in soi 8. I have been there before and have never been disappointed. I choose a nice lady for 2 hour, 2. 400 baht. A really happy choice. Very good sex and massage. A very sweet woman. After that I was a little time in my room for phonecalls etc. Then I went to Beer Garden, but nothing in my taste. I took a walk on the street and to my surprise some of the cart bars was back. Probably the police only closed down, so they can charge more to allow. A had a couble of drinks with a sweet FL. Took her home, 2. 000 baht LT.

Next morning we eat breakfast and I say good bye. I went to Beer Garden again, but to early. Almost no one there. I did a couble of tourist things and later I eat a great late lunch at Kimpinski Hotel in their Michelin restaurant Kiin Kiin. It can certainly be recommended. I went back to Beer Garden and chatted with a very friendly girl. 34 years old and only a 6/10. We agreed on 1. 700 baht for 3 hour. Then she ask if I also want to take her friend as well. Ok, we agreed in 3. 000 in all. Of we go to my room. Really funny and experienced girls. We have a lot of fun for that 3 hours. After that I rest a little in my room.

Dinner is street food in soi 8. Really good and crispy porkbelly, rice and vegetables, iced water. In all 60 baht. I go one more time to Bamboo Massage. Again very good service for 2. 400 baht. Back to the room and after a little rest and some phonecalls I go to have a massage in a near by massage shop. I don't remember the name. One hour Thai massage 300 baht. The masagegirl is a very sweet young girl, 22 year and 8/10. She want to give a happy ending, but I invite her to my room for LT. We agre at 1. 500 baht. She stay with me until next morning 8 am, where I take taxi to the airport.

In all a very good time in Bangkok. What not to like? 36 hours, 6 girls, happy time. Will I do again. YES. I love Bangkok and the girls there.

I'm only 30 years old and it is my first trip out of Australia in 9 years. Africa is a bit too much at this point!

I'm going more in a spiritual / cultural / artistic holiday, not primarily for women.

[QUOTE=BarryManila;2327213]Why don't you fly to Africa then? Easier to find there.

During my stay in Buffalo / USA I was looking for Swedish women. I did not find any.

So my next trip was to Stockholm.[/QUOTE]

Thank you my friend, as well as EihTooms and Syzygies.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2327261]If you're looking for FL, along lower sukhumvit area at night there will be some African ladies hanging around. If you see an African lady hanging out around there or on soi 4, she's a FL. There's always a few around lower sukhumvit any given night.

Other than that, you can probably find a couple African escorts if you browse the various escort sites.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AskeAske;2327651]I can still be surprised. A new member ask a quistion about hotel and he got a lot of answers. Me, a senior member, ask a quistion, but got no answer at all. Well, I did not worry but looked forward to stay in Bangkok. Here is my report:

I arrived to my hotel "The Promenade" Suhkumvit Road soi 8 at 9 pm. A nice and very cheap hotel. Nice and clean room. A small, but nice and clean pool on the rooftop. Friendly staff. I really needed a shower after the fligth.

After that I headed to Bamboo Massage in soi 8. I have been there before and have never been disappointed. I choose a nice lady for 2 hour, 2. 400 baht. A really happy choice. Very good sex and massage. A very sweet woman. After that I was a little time in my room for phonecalls etc. Then I went to Beer Garden, but nothing in my taste. I took a walk on the street and to my surprise some of the cart bars was back. Probably the police only closed down, so they can charge more to allow. A had a couble of drinks with a sweet FL. Took her home, 2. 000 baht LT.[/QUOTE]Think I 'll pay a visit to Biergarten for a little MILF action at these rates.

Pity you can't recall names of all places.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2327553]Didn't he say in a while ago post that he is an Aussie?[/QUOTE]Australian? One syllable too many I would guess.

[QUOTE=EdSetra;2327704]Australian? One syllable too many I would guess.[/QUOTE]Nope, there is no need to be very specific about where one comes from an a forum supposed to be anonymous. Its enough I have said I am a Farang. Even in my home country they think I come from somewhere else, as my accent has been affected by being too long elsewhere. It is possible my writing has been influenced by Thai and German languages.

One buddy had a very changed accent after just one year in Canada, when he was about 21.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;2327651]I can still be surprised. A new member ask a quistion about hotel and he got a lot of answers. Me, a senior member, ask a quistion, but got no answer at all. Well, I did not worry but looked forward to stay in Bangkok. Here is my report:

I arrived to my hotel "The Promenade" Suhkumvit Road soi 8 at 9 pm. A nice and very cheap hotel. Nice and clean room. A small, but nice and clean pool on the rooftop. Friendly staff. I really needed a shower after the fligth.

After that I headed to Bamboo Massage in soi 8. I have been there before and have never been disappointed. I choose a nice lady for 2 hour, 2. 400 baht. A really happy choice. Very good sex and massage. A very sweet woman. After that I was a little time in my room for phonecalls etc. Then I went to Beer Garden, but nothing in my taste. I took a walk on the street and to my surprise some of the cart bars was back. Probably the police only closed down, so they can charge more to allow. A had a couble of drinks with a sweet FL. Took her home, 2. 000 baht LT..[/QUOTE]Shit I feel like a fool, using escort agencies.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;2327651]
In all a very good time in Bangkok. What not to like? 36 hours, 6 girls, happy time. Will I do again. YES. I love Bangkok and the girls there.[/QUOTE]Great report! Straight to the point and with valuable info. This reminds me of why I love Bangkok. May I ask were these cart bars was located. What street? I have pulled many FL gems from cart bars over the years and was sad when they disappear. In my opinion it gave the special vibe to the streets that you hardly find in other cities. Have met many great girls there and I can confirm a price of 2000 LT is quite normal. So it is good value if you can find the right girl. I am happy they are back.

Does anyone know where to get best BJ with sexy slim lady?

I appreciate if to get bar name and name of girl with some comments!

Thanks.

[QUOTE=FarangPunter;2327721]Shit I feel like a fool, using escort agencies.[/QUOTE]I fail to understand why anyone has to resort to an escort agency in Thailand. Girls everywhere. You see and talk to them in person before committing. Now if escort agencies used video clips showing face and body then I may have a change of heart.

[QUOTE=Finne1;2327814]Does anyone know where to get best BJ with sexy slim lady?

I appreciate if to get bar name and name of girl with some comments!

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Kasalong on soi 6.

I have got a few real lookers there. But hit or miss.

Had one so cute last time I CIM.

Payled pool with her after bought some drinks and when ready round 2 if CIM.

This was last year staff change fast so hopefully you have good luck.

Duanaporn soi 14.

Used to be some heaven.

Had some great times there. But never had a girl with looks better than a 7.

Had a great time with a 22 year old last trip.

Same as other. CIM. Then drinks till round 2.

Second shot one of the other girls watched. As the one blowing me was still in training she said.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2327553]Didn't he say in a while ago post that he is an Aussie?[/QUOTE]Nah, he is definitely German. The style of English is German-English.

[QUOTE=Finne1;2327814]Does anyone know where to get best BJ with sexy slim lady?

I appreciate if to get bar name and name of girl with some comments!

Thanks.[/QUOTE]That's a joke, right?

Arrived on Friday around 3 PM in Dynasty Grande. Nice Hotel but it seems that the Bathrooms are not AC. I started to get Wechat invites immediately and an offer from Nanny for 1200ST. She looked very innocent but she insisted on meeting at her Hotel. Since I really wasn't in a hurry after 5 days in Pattaya I first went out for a late lunch / early Dinner. I think I settled for ViaVia. Just after I ordered Nanny messages me again; what are you doing? So I invite her over, I prefer not to eat alone. I tell her to hurry and she is there in time to get her order in and get served even before I get my main course. She tells me she is visiting for the weekend to make money. Normally she sells food in the country side. We finish our beers and she follows me to the Hotel. She is 30 but I would have believed her if she said 22. Nice body overall in fact later I realize she has a real ass not super skinny but slim. She is not a professional and this is where I get a little regret about my choice picking her. Then it seems I am taking to long and she is just a little to happy when I finish.

I send her off and take a rest until it gets dark. At Nana plaza I walk around see all floors and my first bar is Spanky's, because I recognize the name from youtube. I pick a dancer off the stage with the nicest shaped tits and we have a drink. She has no problem sliding her bikini to the side and showing off the goods. I get a chance to do a reel good inspection. Turns out they are fakes. Very nice fakes I have to say. She is also super friendly but I decide we keep it at one drink and I move on. I go to Geisha's have another drink. Not sure why it is called Geisha's. The next bar (don't know the name) all the lady's have bra's under their bikini tops, this I don't like. Turns out that AgelWitch is the last bar for tonight this is where I find a lovely lady I will BF. But first about AngelWitch, I like it. I like the outfits, they have different shows and almost decent Music. I spot her dancing and I ask a waitress to bring her over. Large fake breasts, nice soft body and a friendly attitude. She doesn't really look Thai or Asian just dark and mysterious. When she points out her sister I ask if I can BF them both but it turns out I am to late. No problem she says I have a friend and she calls her over. We negotiate the BF and her fee and promptly leave. On the way to the Hotel I swear I see Nanny freelancing on the street, I have to walk right by her. The lady's both want a beer in the hotel and after a shower with the 3 of us together we move to the bed. Play is excellent they kiss and fondle each other it almost looks real. This will lasts two hours as agreed. Also afterwards there is no hurry and all are in a good mood. I actually ran out Bath and paid them in dollars.

This is my last day in Thailand, off to Shanghai tomorrow where there is bad news waiting.

Did anyone find a Pharmacy as good as the Charoen Pharmacy closed down (was between Soi 2 and Soi 4), especially for prices. Time to restock up on things I need daily.

[QUOTE=Finne1;2327814]Does anyone know where to get best BJ with sexy slim lady?

I appreciate if to get bar name and name of girl with some comments!

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You're joking right?

[QUOTE=Finne1;2327814]Does anyone know where to get best BJ with sexy slim lady?

I appreciate if to get bar name and name of girl with some comments!

Thanks.[/QUOTE]RTFF. I go to Afterskool in Soi Cowboy, but that's because it's near to where I usually stay and my regular drinking bar is also nearby. I've been going there for years, I'm just too lazy to go to many other places these days.

With regards to names of girls, I don't ask because I don't care. I just pick one I like, if there are any there, and get the deed done. If none of them take my fancy I'll skip or go somewhere else for a girl.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2327937]I fail to understand why anyone has to resort to an escort agency in Thailand. Girls everywhere. You see and talk to them in person before committing. Now if escort agencies used video clips showing face and body then I may have a change of heart.[/QUOTE]Why rule it out? It is just another way to meet girls. Pictures may not be accurate but you can get information about look if there are reviews. Some girls actually are shy for various reasons, so they choose escort agency.

The girls also list the services they will provide so no question is necessary. If I go to gogo or Thermae, I interview them one by one, a lot of times, they just don't provide the service as basic as BBBJ. This is just my experience, your experience may be better.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2328049]Did anyone find a Pharmacy as good as the Charoen Pharmacy closed down (was between Soi 2 and Soi 4), especially for prices. Time to restock up on things I need daily.[/QUOTE]Foodland. Suk Soi 5. Well stocked with supplies for gentlemen -- and at a reasonable cost.

SW4.

Real or copy supplies?

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;2328088]Foodland. Suk Soi 5. Well stocked with supplies for gentlemen -- and at a reasonable cost.

SW4.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2327937]I fail to understand why anyone has to resort to an escort agency in Thailand. Girls everywhere. You see and talk to them in person before committing. Now if escort agencies used video clips showing face and body then I may have a change of heart.[/QUOTE]Girls are indeed everywhere. But I have met some of my gems via Escort agencies and dating sites.

Like another poster mentioy, some are shy enough to not work in gogos or go to places like thermae.

Plus they are less dried out. Girls at massage parlor and on street looks like they have been fucked 100 times already.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2328082]RTFF. I go to Afterskool in Soi Cowboy, but that's because it's near to where I usually stay and my regular drinking bar is also nearby. I've been going there for years, I'm just too lazy to go to many other places these days.

With regards to names of girls, I don't ask because I don't care. I just pick one I like, if there are any there, and get the deed done. If none of them take my fancy I'll skip or go somewhere else for a girl.[/QUOTE]Dream Haven.

Honey.

[QUOTE=DavidRim;2328090]Real or copy supplies?[/QUOTE]Both, with the copies at a reasonable price.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2328093]Girls are indeed everywhere. But I have met some of my gems via Escort agencies and dating sites.

Like another poster mentioy, some are shy enough to not work in gogos or go to places like thermae.

Plus they are less dried out. Girls at massage parlor and on street looks like they have been fucked 100 times already.[/QUOTE]I had always thought it was kind of odd to order an escort in Bangkok when there were girls at every turn. But a buddy of mine tried one a while ago. He was staying at the JW Marriott on soi 2. He called the girl and asked her to come over, their agreed price was 5000 baht. I was curious, so I waited in the lobby of the Marriott to see what she looked like. When she arrived, she was an absolute stunner. I have never given a gogo girl as much as 5000 baht, but this girl was worth that.

After he had finished his session with her, he gave me a call to give me the report. He raved about her. So, of course, I had to try her the next day. She was great. I doubt they are all that good, but I never bad mouth any escort agencies anymore.

There is a strip of street bars on Soi 7. About 7 blacks, all but two quite large. Lady asked me for 500 tbh last night around 2 am.

Other street bars on sukh between Asok and Soi 4.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2328093]Girls are indeed everywhere. But I have met some of my gems via Escort agencies and dating sites.

Like another poster mentioy, some are shy enough to not work in gogos or go to places like thermae.

Plus they are less dried out. Girls at massage parlor and on street looks like they have been fucked 100 times already.[/QUOTE]Not always dude. I once picked up a FL from Soi 4 whose brother was a doctor & this was a thing she did to augment her.

Hotel receptionist salary once in a while when she was really horny. Her answer to my obvious question was that her parents.

Were willing to pay for her brother's education but not hers. Not sure if this preference is prevalent in Thai society.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2328117]I had always thought it was kind of odd to order an escort in Bangkok when there were girls at every turn. But a buddy of mine tried one a while ago. He was staying at the JW Marriott on soi 2. He called the girl and asked her to come over, their agreed price was 5000 baht. I was curious, so I waited in the lobby of the Marriott to see what she looked like. When she arrived, she was an absolute stunner. I have never given a gogo girl as much as 5000 baht, but this girl was worth that.

After he had finished his session with her, he gave me a call to give me the report. He raved about her. So, of course, I had to try her the next day. She was great. I doubt they are all that good, but I never bad mouth any escort agencies anymore.[/QUOTE]I booked through absolute-angels-Bangkok and got shit tier service from one of the escort and agency. I just got some bad luck. Other than that sometimes agencies have a girl that you just really fancy.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2328117]When she arrived, she was an absolute stunner. [/QUOTE]I think she was only average because you didn't post any pics.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2328117]
After he had finished his session with her, he gave me a call to give me the report. He raved about her. So, of course, I had to try her the next day. She was great. I doubt they are all that good, but I never bad mouth any escort agencies anymore.[/QUOTE]No name and no agency? How come? You forget? Would you repeat or bored already? Hope your stunner is not like Ice style. Sure I would try, if I really believed she was truly "stunning". However she maybe be surgery laden with the hard tits you like, you did not say.

Like BB, I am very suspicious about the looks when the sites don't seem to have pics of truly stunning girls, and they lie a lot. C cup, if natural is really an A or a sillies job, and age 28 really means 34+, etc.

[QUOTE=EdSetra;2328112]Both, with the copies at a reasonable price.[/QUOTE]The term copies can mean different things to different people of course. Copies bought on the street may or may not be equivalent to generic pharmaceuticals (copies?) bought in a pharmacy, where illegal copies may or may not be available also.

Street purchases are more likely to be fakes than purchases in pharmacies in my experience, but YMMV.

I know that this pharmacy (on the left as you enter the Foodland supermarket in Sukhumvit Soi 5) supplies licensed branded supplies and licensed generic equivalents (e.g. Apcalis from Ajanta Pharma and Sidegra from GPO Pharma).

Apcalis 4 x 20mg cost 300 Baht and Sidegra 4 x 50mg cost 100 Baht. Cialis and Viagra are also available here at much higher costs. Other brands possibly also available here as well as gel format sildenafil generic I believe.

[QUOTE=EdSetra;2328175]
Apcalis 4 x 20mg cost 300 Baht and Sidegra 4 x 50mg cost 100 Baht. Cialis and Viagra are also available here at much higher costs. Other brands possibly also available here as well as gel format sildenafil generic I believe.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree, copies and real is a bit meaningless. I like the term generics, original brand name, and fakes. Generics should be same ingredient at the correct strength if there is any quality there. Fakes would mean who knows what they put in there.

Many years ago I bought some fake Cialis at a small pharmacy. I was pretty sure it was fake in some way as taste was completely different to Apcalis, and closer to Viagra or Kamagra. I can't recall now if I ever tried an original brand Cialis. Strangely I found Apcalis generic to be quite unreliable in any noticeable effect for me, where the "fake" Cialis appeared to work better. It may have been a stronger dose or was mixed with some Sildenafil as well. Can't be too sure now.

Anyway I don't see a reason to buy off the street which could be fake, and little clue what you are actually getting.

The fruit flavoured gel packs I have seen were brand name Kamagra. I don't use them myself. I think gel is a very messy idea, particularly if you don't want to take a full pack dose, unless just happy to throw the remainder out. I prefer pills because you can take a fragment of any size you choose, depending if girl is easy or difficult, which may effect the level of boost you need, or even if you expect to cum quick or have a marathon fuck. Quarter to half a pill is good for me depending on circumstances, which might be have I had many fucks lately or not, condom or not, etc. So vary the dose depending on what is needed.

Take nothing if fucking the Mrs in day time, because she is so easy to do and I won't be tired and won't have consumed alcohol most likely, no stiff legs, etc. Also she does not go beyond 40 minutes tops for the session in total including the DATY etc. Usually there was no warning when would sex with the Mrs anyway, so just have to hope it stays up well enough.

Guys that pop too quick (which is not me), may find that a small amount of Viagra (sildenafil) will give them confidence to stay hard for long and therefore feel no rush to pop so quick. One buddy drinks alcohol first to dull down his dick to avoid popping too fast. I stay away from alcohol, because no way can I handle having my dick dulled down in feeling. Each guy is different. I wish I was a bit more sensitive.

My girl today was so sensitive and lacking sex recently, that she popped twice in DATY in less than 5 minutes and again in cowgirl in just another 5 minutes. Alas, I got one pop only after a long time. Girls can be lucky and get lots of pops, even with a guy vastly older than them. Cumming for the girl is more about stimulation than visual turn ons for the girl. Seems that the guy does not have to have a young face and a great body. Like Francisass, I don't really understand but young girls can get off with old guys, where visa versa seems less likely. Maybe the girl is turned on by the way the guy appreciates her looks and body, and the effort he will make to service her and give her a good time. Treating the girl like a princess more than a hooker could be working.

Do guys get turned on by plain looking girls that treat him like a king? Not for me, but could be working for others.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2328117]I had always thought it was kind of odd to order an escort in Bangkok when there were girls at every turn. But a buddy of mine tried one a while ago. He was staying at the JW Marriott on soi 2. He called the girl and asked her to come over, their agreed price was 5000 baht. I was curious, so I waited in the lobby of the Marriott to see what she looked like. When she arrived, she was an absolute stunner. I have never given a gogo girl as much as 5000 baht, but this girl was worth that.

After he had finished his session with her, he gave me a call to give me the report. He raved about her. So, of course, I had to try her the next day. She was great. I doubt they are all that good, but I never bad mouth any escort agencies anymore.[/QUOTE]Well price is always subjective to the person. But 5 k (assuming for ST) is quite high, obviously more than market price. But if it was worth it then why not.

[QUOTE=BarryManila;2327213]Why don't you fly to Africa then? Easier to find there.

During my stay in Buffalo / USA I was looking for Swedish women. I did not find any.

So my next trip was to Stockholm.[/QUOTE]Doesn't Sweden has most strict laws against prostitution.

[QUOTE=BarryManila;2327213]Why don't you fly to Africa then? Easier to find there.

During my stay in Buffalo / USA I was looking for Swedish women. I did not find any.

So my next trip was to Stockholm.[/QUOTE]Hey buddy, strange to see you pop up here. Trust you are stirring. Do you do Thai girls at all? I forget. I will be back in your parts in July, quite likely the Oase by the pool on occasion.

The African girls here in Bangkok are well below the standard in Germany for me. I don't think will help much if I saw them naked. A lot of big cabooses, and the faces are not up to Jamaican, Dominican, Sth America in general, Ghana, and even Kenya standard, mostly. Still I did few black girls in Sharks as well.

Have to agree, this might be the last place one should be looking for African girls. If accidentally find a hot one, well great. Even the Russian girls here were generally well below standard on Sukhumvit road. Little point to monger here if not into East Asian girls.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2328203]
The fruit flavoured gel packs I have seen were brand name Kamagra. I don't use them myself. I think gel is a very messy idea, particularly if you don't want to take a full pack dose, unless just happy to throw the remainder out. I prefer pills because you can take a fragment of any size you choose, depending if girl is easy or difficult, which may effect the level of boost you need, or even if you expect to cum quick or have a marathon fuck. Quarter to half a pill is good for me depending on circumstances, which might be have I had many fucks lately or not, condom or not, etc. So vary the dose depending on what is needed.
[/QUOTE]Empty the full pack of Kamagra Gel into a quantity of water (say roughly 100 ML) in a plastic bottle. Mark the bottle where the liquid level reaches. Drink half at a suitable time for your activity plans, cap the bottle and put the remainder into the fridge for the next day. Not strictly correct sterile procedure but good enough for me.

[QUOTE=EdSetra;2328219]Empty the full pack of Kamagra Gel into a quantity of water (say roughly 100 ML) in a plastic bottle. Mark the bottle where the liquid level reaches. Drink half at a suitable time for your activity plans, cap the bottle and put the remainder into the fridge for the next day. Not strictly correct sterile procedure but good enough for me.[/QUOTE]That is a great tip!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2328216]Hey buddy, strange to see you pop up here. Trust you are stirring. Do you do Thai girls at all? I forget. [/QUOTE]I had the same reaction. Was a bit shocked to see a post by Barry in the Thailand forum.

Gargano, Barry was joking about going to Buffalo to look for Swedish girls. He really should have tried Cleveland!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2328148]I think she was only average because you didn't post any pics.[/QUOTE]Agreed. She could well have been a dog. I don't have a single pic of her and I don't even remember her name or her agency. LOL. It was about 10 years ago, so that should give a little more perspective on how expensive 5000 baht was at the time. I also have never tried any agency girl again after that, even though it was an excellent experience.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2328049]Did anyone find a Pharmacy as good as the Charoen Pharmacy closed down (was between Soi 2 and Soi 4), especially for prices. Time to restock up on things I need daily.[/QUOTE]The pharmacy in Foodland in Soi 5 is mentioned already but might be somewhat limited in supplies as it is quite small. Worth asking though and central to Sukhumvit.

For more medical than recreational needs I use the Chula Pharmacy, Rama 4 between Silom and Surawong (closer to Surawong). Professional staff and associated with a university hospital I am told. These guys do not sell unlicensed products so unlikely to get generic tadalafil (Apcalis), for instance, here.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2327202]
So I stood up had her get on her knees with her head against the wall.

And skull fucked her for about 30 mins.

I was so tired I couldn't cum, but her mouth truly was heavenly (I'm not into bjs).

Her body was so amazing.

Her skin was so soft (it almost felt fake) and perfect.

I really love this girl.

So soft spoken, until I came in her mouth LOL.

She spit it out and didn't like it.

We never discussed CIM?

I requested swallow, she said no.

She didn't get angry with me, never raised her voice, but was spitting a lot.[/QUOTE]If any of you ever wonder again, why GFE has become so rare, remember someone might have skull fuked her for 30 minutes, and shot his load in her mouth without discussing before.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2328433]If any of you ever wonder again, why GFE has become so rare, remember someone might have skull fuked her for 30 minutes, and shot his load in her mouth without discussing before.[/QUOTE]We did discuss it.

I requested swallow.

[QUOTE=EdSetra;2328219]Empty the full pack of Kamagra Gel into a quantity of water (say roughly 100 ML) in a plastic bottle. Mark the bottle where the liquid level reaches. Drink half at a suitable time for your activity plans, cap the bottle and put the remainder into the fridge for the next day. Not strictly correct sterile procedure but good enough for me.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. I never would have dreamed up this method. A bit involved for impromptu sex but okay If plenty of warning. I am probably going to stick with pills. Just a lot easier.

I get so used to vitamin and other daily pills to treat a different problem anyway.

Through the years I've met a lot of late thirties to mid-forties working girls and by and large there are genuinely nice people who live a less than happy life. They all have individual stories to tell usually involving un-kept promises and broken relationships. When their looks began to fade usually in their early thirties their options and earning power became more restricted but they have no choice but to carry on working. They end up in second tier massage shops or low end oilies or soapies where a couple thousand baht is a good day and some days they go home empty. It is so sad how some people feel these women should be grateful to be face fucked up against the wall with a load unwillingly deposited in their mouth and be happy to see him again.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2328216]Hey buddy, strange to see you pop up here. Trust you are stirring. Do you do Thai girls at all? I forget.
I will be back in your parts in July, quite likely the Oase by the pool on occasion.[/QUOTE]Hello Syz. No surprise you discovered my posting. Nice to read some reaction from you. Hope you are fine in BKK.

Of course I like Thai girls if they are pretty. Had several trips to Thailand and other Asian countries, but that's some years ago.

In German FKKs Thai Girls are rare. Let me know when you're back at Oase in bloody old Germany. Greetings & Take care.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2328224]I had the same reaction. Was a bit shocked to see a post by Barry in the Thailand forum.
Gargano, Barry was joking about going to Buffalo to look for Swedish girls. He really should have tried Cleveland![/QUOTE]Hi Banana Boi,

I am also pleased to hear from you. Yes, you are right, I was a little bit joking, but also somehow confused.

That someone is keen on Black women in Bangkok. But I know that there are some African Ladies. Maybe very busy.

And as I remember some pictures. Not bad looking.

I met some beautiful Swedish girls in Fort Lauderdale / FL, but they were tourists. The following year I travelled to Sweden.

Not for prostitution. The Swedish law might be more difficult than in USA. Best wishes, BM.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2328512]Through the years I've met a lot of late thirties to mid-forties working girls and by and large there are genuinely nice people who live a less than happy life. They all have individual stories to tell usually involving un-kept promises and broken relationships. When their looks began to fade usually in their early thirties their options and earning power became more restricted but they have no choice but to carry on working. They end up in second tier massage shops or low end oilies or soapies where a couple thousand baht is a good day and some days they go home empty. It is so sad how some people feel these women should be grateful to be face fucked up against the wall with a load unwillingly deposited in their mouth and be happy to see him again.[/QUOTE]2 cents? Sounds more like metoo?

I didn't force her to do anything she didn't want to.

She insisted on sexual services all I wanted was a fucking massage!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2323561]I
For cheap girls, go to Soi 4 street girls. Naam was tallish and quite good looking .. .and wanting 1300 for ST. .. Great GFE and no rushing. Clearly likes farangs. Easy one to repeat when looking for a good price. .[/QUOTE]Naam was not quite good looking, but stunning. To the point that she might intimidate some men. I've been seeing Naam over the past weeks but very unfortunately, she has moved to Chomburi where apparently she works in a coffee house. I am trying to see if I can meet her again. If you go to where the deaf girls hang out, Naitsi (or Nazi, a rather unfortunate name), can give you her contact details on Messenger and you might be able to set up a meeting.

Naitsi herself is deaf too, slim and average looks. She says she is 22, but she looks younger and accs in bed as if she is 14 if that is your thing, like as if she is rookie. She says her mother died and she started in Nana at 15 but that was not apparent in bed She is very affable but was a starfish for me.

For a Naam replacement, albeit at a higher price (2000 will be enough and she is worth every red Baht), there is Mina. She hangs out just past the Sofitel on the way to Nana. Even more beautiful, even taller (1 m79), 21, indeed the most beautiful woman I have ever ever had the occasion to fuck. The first time I saw her, I was convinced that she was a lady boy, and was somewhat dubious up until I saw the pussy.

Mina has a classic Thai look with a tad of Chinese (that is why she is so tall). Long black hair. In a slinky dress each time I saw her. Nice attitude, friendly and touchy and potential for her to orgasm, which really turns me on. Has just enough English to get by.

Mina is so tall and beautiful that I can see her intimidating a lot of men, especially I would think short Asians. But maybe I am mistaken as she says that about 3/4 of men she sees are Asian and she says she enjoys them in bed (I am not sure if that is because they pay more, or they are good in bed or more likely she is just friendly and open). Farangs are good for her too.

Another good fuck that I found lately is "Nee-uuh" in Dream Heaven, just beside New Massage on the Soi with Hotel Lotus (I think there might be two Dream Heavens). The "nuru" is something like 2600 for 90 m. Just means oil is spread out and massages you with oil. Anyway "Nee-uuh" is slim, little bit above average height, great body, 8 in looks for me, great dirty look in her eye, VERY shy. Might be new. She says she is 24 and probably so. Eager to please, very hygenic (I don't think she would accept 30 m skull fuck with a surprise CIM). Most of all, can come if you treat her well.

Found old school Bangkok tonight.

Nana Plaza has been uber lame each time I've stuck my head inside of the various places.

So I went to Patpong.

Got there around midnight (late I know but I usually like to go out at this time or later).

Stuck my head in the King Castle places, didn't really see anything that eye catching.

Was almost going to head back. But then I stuck my head into Kiss Bar and was dragged in. Figured what the hell, I'll have one drink.

There were some cute girls in there (and skinny/lean old schol Thai style) and I was the only customer. Those are always good odds.

Four of them sat down next to me and I bought two rounds of lady drinks for everyone. Usually don't do that, but figured WTF.

Wasn't sure of the vibes I was getting from the girls. (as in I didn't know if any of them were actually interested in going back with me, or whether they were satisfied with mooching lady drinks (to be fair, the girls are under immense pressure from mamasans to do this).

They barely spoke any English (one of them spoke / understood just a little).

Mamasan offered me a deal (at closing time) - 5 K for two of them. ST (meaning, I had to pay 800 each bar fine, but then 1. 7 K per girl) said both of them want to go with me. I didn't have the full 5 k on me, so promised I would pay the girls in the room. (there was some initial skepticism, but after I "promised", wasnt an issue).

I usually do NOT do twosomes. But figured, fuck it. I've wanted to try it out.

I whispered to the one that spoke a little English that I cannot perform encased in rubber. She repeated that in Thai to the other girl and I was quickly told that "ok, but finish outside).

We went outside and had several rounds of drinks at a bar outside (that white one in center of Patpong). I wanted the girls to loosen up and enjoy themselves, even allowed them to smoke cigarettes (I usually hate ciggy breath).

At the hotel, the girls were very good at their word. They definitely "took care of me". Nice kissing, dfk, all quite nice and seemingly enjoyed by all involved. I performed some DATY on both of them -- very nice / clean and both had Bush (which is fine with me, I actually prefer trimmed Bush. One was NOT trimmed, again no prob).

They were not lesbians but made sure to take turns taking care of me. So there was a lot of oral action. And when it came time for sex. When I was inside of one, the other was licking. I had to pace myself so not to cum too quickly. It was quite intense!

Girls were damn tight. And asked me to go slow at first insertion. Which I did, we were slow and careful upon first insertion. But thanks to my non Holmesian proportions there were no issues. The snatches wrapped around me quickly and got quite wet in short order. I tried to take my time.. and I think I reasonably did ... the session probably lasted 45-50 minutes or so after the clothes were off, showers taken and we were in bed.

It was all very nice as noted. and quite intense. (the tightness and oral stimulation was such that had I not stopped several times I would have blown my load in fairly short order)

Then the girls washed me off in the shower. Then themselves. Then I gave them more than their 1. 7 k (tipped each 500 baht) and they're off.

Quite wonderful (though I think I still ultimately prefer 1 to 1, and may go back grab one of them tomorrow).

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2328759]2 cents? Sounds more like metoo?

I didn't force her to do anything she didn't want to.[/QUOTE]"She says blowjob, I say no condom, and you swallow, she giggled like a high school girl and said no".

Yes I am broadly in total sympathy with the Me Too movement.

[QUOTE=Yuiop69;2328787]Naam was not quite good looking, but stunning. [/QUOTE]Please post a photo, I'd like to see what she looks like.

[QUOTE=Catire;2328788]Found old school Bangkok tonight. So I went to Patpong.

Got there around midnight
Stuck my head in the King Castle places, didn't really see anything that eye catching.

Was almost going to head back. But then I stuck my head into Kiss Bar and was dragged in. [/QUOTE]Great report Catire. Although I have never been to Kiss Bar, it sounds good. You certainly had a good time and that is what counts. I will make a point to stop by there and check things out on my next trip. Currently I like KC 1, KC 2, and Pink in Patpong.

One of the amazing things of this trip for me is that I have not barfined a single girl out of Cowboy. I just don't know what happened to the quality on this Soi. It used to be my favorite hunting ground for many, many years. But no problem. I have had great success in finding friendly and very sexy girls in Nana and Patpong to take up the slack. Never look back!

Anyway, I just wanted to say I enjoyed reading your post. This thread could use a lot more like it. Stay thirsty,

NB.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2328914]Great report Catire. Although I have never been to Kiss Bar, it sounds good. You certainly had a good time and that is what counts. I will make a point to stop by there and check things out on my next trip. Currently I like KC 1, KC 2, and Pink in Patpong.

One of the amazing things of this trip for me is that I have not barfined a single girl out of Cowboy. I just don't know what happened to the quality on this Soi. It used to be my favorite hunting ground for many, many years. But no problem. I have had great success in finding friendly and very sexy girls in Nana and Patpong to take up the slack. Never look back!

Anyway, I just wanted to say I enjoyed reading your post. This thread could use a lot more like it. Stay thirsty,

NB.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

I have really found the quality of the girls inside of Nana declining significantly. (Yes, I go out too late when most "stunners" are taken, but I have been consistent in doing this). Have never barfined anyone out of Soi Cowboy. Have avoided that place like the plague since it went "commercial"/ touristy.

To give an example. Mandarin in Nana has always been one of my favorite spots and I always had luck in there over the last several years. This year, it's full of fuglies. The bar immediately around the corner from there has a smattering of very hot girls, but they seem to be always used to "pull the customers in". (forget the name). Anyways, it was my first trip to Patpong in a long long time. It was "better" and more laid back (for me) with a lot better selection than Nana.

I also tend to be with less bargirls these days, but this was a nice "throwback". No plastic surgery (though did blow off a girl with a messed up nose, she got mad at me) and when I saw Bush on both. I was like "yes".

(and one of the girls I took was heavily tattooed - another virginity lost on my end, typically avoid those, but she seemed like she'd be the most open/fun in bed, and she was good)

Walking down adjacent Thaniya street area was interesting too (a LOT of hidden "clubs" for the Japanese, I can only wonder what they are like inside and what happens there. (karaoke?) more?

p.s. I think I walked by a place called "pink" that looked potentially interesting, but something pressed me to keep walking.

I'm in STP Russia.

And I'm really longing to hear my 5 fav words in BKK.

"Hi tall blonde and handsome" lmao nobody here speaks English LOL, maybe a random 1%.

I will be booking a return trip to BKK in the next few days, I really miss it already.

I was in AC for almost 4 months and I don't miss it, at all.

Is GFE standard at Nana plaza gogo bars?

DFK, BBBJ, CFS?

[QUOTE=LoveShibuyaGirls;2329842]Is GFE standard at Nana plaza gogo bars?[/QUOTE]Standard? No.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2329010]
I was in AC for almost 4 months and I don't miss it, at all.[/QUOTE]Angeles City is known for cheap girls that speak good English right? Can you say why you miss Thailand and not AC. I would have no clue at all, myself.

[QUOTE=Catire;2328970]To give an example. Mandarin in Nana has always been one of my favorite spots and I always had luck in there over the last several years. This year, it's full of fuglies. The bar immediately around the corner from there has a smattering of very hot girls, but they seem to be always used to "pull the customers in". (forget the name). Anyways, it was my first trip to Patpong in a long long time. It was "better" and more laid back (for me) with a lot better selection than Nana.

I also tend to be with less bargirls these days, but this was a nice "throwback". No plastic surgery (though did blow off a girl with a messed up nose, she got mad at me) and when I saw Bush on both. I was like "yes".
[/QUOTE]Bars change a lot and Mandarin was no exception.

The bar maybe called Diamonds (ex Hotlips and ex Candyland).

[URL]https://www.barnewsbangkok.com/diamonds-bangkok.html[/URL] reports some LBs these days.

Blowing off a girl is normal, so not sure why she got mad at you. They can't force us to like them. "Messed up" nose means surgeries or not?

[QUOTE=Yuiop69;2328787]Naam was not quite good looking, but stunning. To the point that she might intimidate some men. I've been seeing Naam over the past weeks but very unfortunately, she has moved to Chomburi where apparently she works in a coffee house. I am trying to see if I can meet her again. If you go to where the deaf girls hang out, Naitsi (or Nazi, a rather unfortunate name), can give you her contact details on Messenger and you might be able to set up a meeting.
[/QUOTE]Naam is a quite common name. The Naam I did, still works there (not in Chonburi), and is not one of the deaf girls, but tall and skinny. She won't be giving up any time soon. She likes fucking Farangs for money, too much. No plans to quit at all.

I can't quite guess what Naitsi should be, but certainly not Nazi. Maybe something like Natchee. "Thai does not have "Z" or "ts" sound.

[QUOTE=BarryManila;2328635]In German FKKs Thai Girls are rare. Let me know when you're back at Oase in bloody old Germany. Greetings & Take care.

That someone is keen on Black women in Bangkok. But I know that there are some African Ladies. Maybe very busy.

And as I remember some pictures. Not bad looking.
[/QUOTE]Normally the black girls in Germany FKKs are better than here (the good ones that is). Very few pretty ones here, IMHO. Substandard.

There was a time when The Palace had half a dozen Thai girls, a few years back and most were good, although I did not try them all, just the slim sexy ones. Eventually got too close to one, so had to give up all other girls at that venue, so started going to other venues. Eventually even met one Palace girl's mother and family, here in Bangkok. Ha ha. Really weird and not recommended!

These days I do think there is not much point to doing Thai girls in Germany unless really can't find any nice white girls or black girls, but I did do a very sweet Filipina not that long ago. She was weird too. Interviewed the guys first to see if she liked the chemistry going on. She definitely was looking for a good time, as well as pocket money. Ha ha.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2329895]Angeles City is known for cheap girls that speak good English right? Can you say why you miss Thailand and not AC. I would have no clue at all, myself.[/QUOTE]I don't know why he thinks that, but I don't like AC because the girls are ugly. They are more like soi 6 girls in Pattaya than girls in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=BarryManila;2328635]
Of course I like Thai girls if they are pretty. Had several trips to Thailand and other Asian countries, but that's some years ago.
In German FKKs Thai Girls are rare. Let me know when you're back at Oase in bloody old Germany. Greetings & Take care.

That someone is keen on Black women in Bangkok. But I know that there are some African Ladies. Maybe very busy.[/QUOTE]Many years ago, at the now defunct FKK Atlantis, I saw a Thai girl who looked like a beauty pageant winner. She was early 20's, drop dead gorgeous and amazing in the sack too. I often visit Thailand, and this gal would have been a 10 in Bangkok as well.

But nowadays, the occasional Thai girl at FKK Oase or World tends to be rather average. It's not like the cream of the crop from Pattaya is heading for Germany. The last time I was at Oase, there were a couple of Thai gals, pretty but older, and I remember one promising she could do a good Thai stretching massage as part of a session. I suspect that these gals married German guys to emigrate to Europe, and then decided to make some money after arriving. Anyway I passed, as I was looking for blonde stunners.

On the other hand, black girls at FKKs tend to be quite stunning. I recently enjoyed a Haitian who looked like a young Halle Berry. A gorgeous face and lean and athletic, like a gazelle. Clearly, the cream of the crop from Haiti and Ghana show up at the FKKs. I would guess that it's all about the economics. It's likely an income differential that brings the prettier girls. Twenty years ago when Atlantis was open, a top of the line Thai gal would only make 20 euros a session in Bangkok vs 50 in an FKK. Today, a typical Thai girl can make 50 euros for a short time in Bangkok, so why move to Germany where you dont know the language and cant hang out with your girlfriends between sessions?

So my modus operandi is to focus on Eastern Europeans at FKKs and Thai girls in Bangkok. Sure, you can find Thai girls in FKKs and Russian girls in Bangkok, but they usually lead to suboptimal experiences.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2329928]I don't know why he thinks that, but I don't like AC because the girls are ugly. They are more like soi 6 girls in Pattaya than girls in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Would you call this ugly? Does anyone else think this is ugly? This is from August 2018. One of the bars on Perimeter Road.

And the girl looks exactly like this in person. Flawless body, fantastic in bed, good attitude, 3 holer, meets the performance criteria of ET, the works.

Excerpts from my TR on my favorite board, Philippines at Night.

Been here for 5 days and finally got laid last night from a Patpong BG (black pagoda) in her early 30's. She had the magic and was easy going. Body was pretty nice and I went down on her (I'm lazy, she rode my face) and her me, that was it. No need for the condom I bought enroute to hotel because of her excellent BJ skills. It was a good release, face / lips / & hand jackhammer action. There was no doubt she would conquer all the beer inside me. After that she was out the door with in 5 minutes. Then I slept hard w out the need for sleeping aids, very rare for me these days.

I arrived on Thursday and starting Friday at 12 midnight it was a Buddha holiday so no liquor for 24 hours ending on Sunday morning at 12:01 so didn't bother going out either night. I'm not the same horn dog I was 2 years ago so no inconvenience, I waited.

Just 30 minutes ago I returned from the Biergarten where there were 2 I made a date w for tomorrow, we'll see. They look like they could be an exceptional 3 some, we'll see. Tonight I'm saving myself for Nana Plaza otherwise I would have work them today. I really don't trust Beergarten chics these days and what's under their clothes. This place used to be pretty good, we'll see mañana.

Last night I barhopped w my rental on SC and saw the obligatory stunners everywhere. I will shoot for a couple of those as well. I have plenty of time before I leave for Shanghai, no action there unfortunately.

Next Day.

Before I start the Netflix portion of my vacation night (10:30 pm) I'll report here. Went to Nana at 7:45 and too early, dancing starts at 8 pm. Went to a few bars, AngelWitch, 1 worthy dancer w young proud tits and pigtails. The Rainbow Bars which #4 is the best, 5 young stunners in there and Lolipops w some nice talent but not as abundant as Rainbow. Also popped into Billboards w one standout half nude. Tonight I just wanted to look. I'll return and see what I can get myself into during the week. I can't force myself to give up on the stunners yet.

A few of these women I'd pay to stomp on me. Okay on to Netflix.

Next Day.

Yesterday I connected w the BG from Black Pagoda (no BF) and we went out last night to Nana. After a few beers I was into the date and loving all the eye candy on stage. Played some pool and a bite at Gulivers and then on to some spectacular sex. This lady is unusual in that she knows what she's doing and loves it. I enjoyed some rare bareback action as she just wanted it as bad as I. Her pussy was dripping wet as I slide jr. Around on the outside of it. Boom, inside. Couldn't finish while going back and forth from pussy to mouth but she was a storm trooping dick sucking honey, emitting all kinds of delightful sexy noises as she tried to finish me off w her mouth and to my surprise she did.

Best sex in quite a while for me. Wow.

Tonight I'll return to Nana for a stunner. I met a couple last night and told them I'd return so that's the plan. Some of these Thai dancers are seriously beautiful. I bought a LD for one last night at Billboards and she was as nice as can be. She was dancing half nude so I know how good it will be. Her little hidden pussy has to be incredible.

Next Day.

I stayed in last night. That's how it is w me now, 1 per day is not mentally needed right now. I don't like it but it helps in affording the cost of working hot BGs in BKK. As it is here, the bar wants 1 k and the BG 3 k (or more), add drinks from where you found her and it's another k. Then a 3 bar BH w / out food is another 1. 5 k total, 6. 5 k, incidentals 7 k.

So if I go for it every other night it adds up to 3. 5 k per night on pussy and brews. Now that's a tolerable number for me, plus I should get no less than 8's which are pure gold if they deliver in the room. There are 9's here and there which I will try for if I get a decent vibe from the stage. Do or die tonight as the warden (wife) returns from Taipei mañana. After that it will ST hotels and I plan to hunt more while she's in the room.

Next Day.

After 3 bars I went back to Billboards to find the honey I tabled briefly. Her name is * and I didn't see her at first. I sat over at the carousel and wasn't tempted from what I saw. Then I notice more ladies joined the jacuzzi area and seats opened up so I headed there and watched some nice nudes, half silicone, half not. Since I"the been to 3 bars I felt I was being a prudent shopper and justifiably ready to pull the trigger. A few in the jacuzzi were very fresh and then I see a very pretty light skinned girl standing on the edge of the tub. I look and smile at the ladies but the white one has the tits I want.

I call her down for my first table and ask her her name. She looks at me and laughs, pause. You're not * are you?? Yes she says. You said you come last night but you no come. I say, I'm here now (and happy about it). She's sexy as hell and not shy. Eventually the second drink topic comes up and I say if she BFs I'll buy that drink. She says I'll go w you. (the beginning of a very good thing).

We bar hop a little and get a little smashed and then the room. Her porcelain body was something to behold w nice round be cups and the smallest pussy possible. She was ready for action and gave and got it. Her BJ skills were impressive and I worked that pussy as best I could. Then Thai rubber time which didn't last because I don't have lube and it wouldn't matter for me if I did. So I got out of that thing and took her to the warm shower where she stroked Jr and then knelt down for a better work angle. After a bit I was polishing her nipple w my equipment and surprisingly busted a nut.

She is awesome and she made my day perfect. She was against all photos. I'm 2 for 2 in "the great sex department". I"ll have to see her again.

Okay, no sleeping pills needed, brews and pussy work very well.

More Later.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2330011]Would you call this ugly? Does anyone else think this is ugly? This is from August 2018. One of the bars on Perimeter Road.

And the girl looks exactly like this in person. Flawless body, fantastic in bed, good attitude, 3 holer, meets the performance criteria of ET, the works.[/QUOTE]Just kidding'. I certainly wouldn't kick either of them out of bed if they broke wind.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2329895]Angeles City is known for cheap girls that speak good English right? Can you say why you miss Thailand and not AC. I would have no clue at all, myself.[/QUOTE]Speaking English is over rated, many don't speak it that well, or understand it that well.

I have found English is unimportant for sex, I just had the most magikal sex of my life in Russia with a hooker that didn't speak one word of English and we didn't even use google translate.

AC is a vile septic tank, with low prices.

BKK has quality girls, but will cost you more.

You have to do the cost benefit ratio analysis, I had some girls tell me serious quotes of 20000 in AC (I would give them 1000).

But I'm guessing some (desperate duans) are paying it.

I feel AC is bad for the "soul" with such abject poverty and filth (monster roaches everywhere).

I don't know if ill ever go back, I may?

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2330141]AC is a vile septic tank, with low prices.[/QUOTE]I don't think anyone would argue that. Soi 6 in Pattaya is the same. There are also areas like that in Indonesia, I just don't prefer to go to them.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2330011]Would you call this ugly? Does anyone else think this is ugly? This is from August 2018. One of the bars on Perimeter Road.

And the girl looks exactly like this in person. Flawless body, fantastic in bed, good attitude, 3 holer, meets the performance criteria of ET, the works.[/QUOTE]On the average, girls there in AC are less attractive (in my opinion). I think Baccara by itself has more hot girls than all of AC.

I will say that I wanted to get to AC to sample the famous Elsa a while back when she first hit the scene. She was probably the hottest girl I have seen working AC. Then again, I like girls with big natural tits.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2329010]
I was in AC for almost 4 months and I don't miss it, at all.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2330141]
AC is a vile septic tank, with low prices.
BKK has quality girls, but will cost you more.
You have to do the cost benefit ratio analysis, I had some girls tell me serious quotes of 20000 in AC (I would give them 1000).
But I'm guessing some (desperate duans) are paying it.
I feel AC is bad for the "soul" with such abject poverty and filth (monster roaches everywhere).
I don't know if ill ever go back, I may?[/QUOTE]If AC was so bad then why did you stay there 4 months?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330208]On the average, girls there in AC are less attractive (in my opinion). I think Baccara by itself has more hot girls than all of AC.

I will say that I wanted to get to AC to sample the famous Elsa a while back when she first hit the scene. She was probably the hottest girl I have seen working AC. Then again, I like girls with big natural tits.[/QUOTE]Good rack. I don't know when you were last in AC but I have to tell you this. You couldn't be more wrong with your impression about AC. Sure, it ain't BKK. But there are enough high quality girls to fill up a week or two easily. Needs a bit of legwork though.

Disclaimer. One man's treasure is another man's trash.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2330292]If AC was so bad then why did you stay there 4 months?[/QUOTE]Why do you think?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330208]On the average, girls there in AC are less attractive (in my opinion). I think Baccara by itself has more hot girls than all of AC.

I will say that I wanted to get to AC to sample the famous Elsa a while back when she first hit the scene. She was probably the hottest girl I have seen working AC. Then again, I like girls with big natural tits.[/QUOTE]Her tits are too big to me.

Not to mention they are probably fake.

And she looks old LOL.

Over 25 (in Asia is over the hill).

So this is what you consider top 2-3?

I probably wouldn't want to waste a bullet on her.

Maybe if she was closer to 18 yo rather than closer to 28 yo?

With smaller natural boobs.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2330329]Good rack. I don't know when you were last in AC but I have to tell you this. You couldn't be more wrong with your impression about AC. Sure, it ain't BKK. But there are enough high quality girls to fill up a week or two easily. Needs a bit of legwork though.

Disclaimer. One man's treasure is another man's trash.[/QUOTE]Well-stated!

[QUOTE=Catire;2328788]Found old school Bangkok tonight.

Nana Plaza has been uber lame each time I've stuck my head inside of the various places.

So I went to Patpong.


.[/QUOTE]Nice report. Good to hear some info about Patpong. I will be staying there the next time I am in BKK. Just for a change. I will skip staying in Sukhumvit, I find the atmosphere too dirty and depressing in the daytime. But I will definitely take a couple of trips there to see my fave gogos an to do a bit of shopping at T21.

I was cruising around Nana Plaza tonight and decided to pop in to Butterflies Go-Go Bar on the top floor. I got there early, almost exactly 9pm. Very few customers in the place. Very few customers walking around the Plaza or up or down Soi 4 at that hour.

I did not have a game plan, didn't want to follow a game plan this night really. If anything interesting came my way, I wanted to just "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" as much as possible while still being mindful not to simply agree to a top asking price (for this bar) without any expectations applied to it at all. But I have gotten bored with the usual patter leading up to a girl agreeing upfront to provide me with what I consider Real Sex (for money, of course). If necessary, I will happily hand a girl an offer only an idiot would refuse and, well, "go with the flow in the room and see what happens."

Believe it or not, this was one of those nights where I was willing to meet a new girl, take her to my room, engage ONLY in DATY if it turned out there was no way she would go for BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP (the only two ways I am either capable of or willing to ejaculate these days) and I would be just fine with it. Maybe we exchange Line info and engage in Real Sex next time. Or not. No biggie either way. Yes, I have nights like that these days.

So I sit in Butterfiles for about a half hour mostly uninspired by the line up. Eventually, a thoroughly average girl in this bar, which is not exactly known for an abundance of stunners, suddenly appears before me with a less than average friend and they sit at my side, lobbying for an LD for both, of course. I apologize for not choosing the less than average one and go with the average one. Again, no game plan. She seemed squeezable enough.

She sat on my lap through two LDs (went through them quite slowly actually). Lite French Kissing off and on. She felt good in my hands. I would say mid-20's. Not fat and not skinny. Healthy. Nice lips and mouth with a sensuous tongue. The cuddling was nice. Much murmuring about how much she likes me. Her English was actually pretty good. Ok. I'd say there was enough chemistry to take her on a night like this one.

Near the end of the second LD, two mamasans show up at our side. Do I want to pay her barfine and take her? Maybe. They wouldn't leave. I playfully waved them off. One dykie looking mamasan wouldn't leave without making sure I understood ALL the girls charge 3,000 baht for ST after I pay the 1,000 baht barfine. Which is BS, of course. I've taken many girls from that bar right up until the past couple of weeks for an agreed upon 2,500 baht. I have every reason to believe some have gone fairly recently for the barfine + 2,000 baht. And for BBFS+CIP. Whatever. Finally the TWO mamasans moved on so I could close a deal or not with the girl herself.

I liked this thoroughly average girl well enough to make that "idiot-proof" offer if for no other reason but to put an end to the Butterflies Go-Go Bar experience for now; I tell her and put it in Google Translate (and reverse translate to be as sure as possible it is what I mean to tell her) that I will pay the barfine and pay HER 2,000 baht just to eat her pussy (DATY). And IF we do more than that, which will be totally up to her, I will PAY her more than that.

"No. 3,000 baht", she says. No counter offer of 2,500 baht (I am sure I would have agreed to that on this night and under these particular circumstances). No clarification asked to make sure the offer was what she heard and read on my cellphone with her own eyes. Nothing. "3,000 baht." She called over the dykie mamasan. Since I really didn't give a damn if any girl took me up on this offer, I told and showed the dykie mamasan what I was offering the girl just in case there was any doubt about her understanding of it. "No. ALL the girls require 3,000 baht for ST." For only eating their pussy with an agreement to pay MORE if we do more than that in the room? "Yes."

The dykie mamasan walked away and then I asked the still cuddling girl what we would do in the room for the 3,000 baht. Remember, I just did not want to go through any discussion about the minimum I require this night, didn't want to have the "condom" conversation tonight, didn't want to explain for the umpteenth time that I was not looking for a BBBJ that ends as a Hand Job instead of a Blowjob. I was not going to pay to jerk myself off on some part of her body and call that "great sex". I wanted her to at least say, "Anything" or "Everything" or "Up to you" or "Boom boom" or "Stare at the wall" or something, anything. But nope. Nothing. Apparently, she was actually demanding 3,000 baht ST for the DATY I said I wanted to do to her and NOTHING else. LOL.

So I thanked them both for their time, the girl and the dykie mamasan, paid my approximate 500 baht check bin, left 20 baht tip for the server, stood up and moved on.

Either that offer was in no way as "idiot-proof" as I thought it would be on a slow Monday night during Low Season or I had simply encountered two idiots on lower Sukhumvit who could not see any reason on Earth to accept it.

That is when I headed over to Thermae and, for the 3rd time in so many months, take one of the better looking girls on the left side as you walk in the front door, the supposedly "Japanese Only" or "Japanese Preferred" side of their line up around the room. More on that later.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2330556]I was cruising around Nana Plaza tonight and decided to pop in to Butterflies Go-Go Bar on the top floor. I got there early, almost exactly 9pm. Very few customers in the place. Very few customers walking around the Plaza or up or down Soi 4 at that hour.[/QUOTE]1000 BF? Did it go up from 700?

Agreed that she may be a bit dense as it is slow season, but if she gets BFed every night, that may be the reason she's holding at 3 k. The less attractive of the 2 who initially sat with you might have done BBFS+CIM, DATY, or whatever, but the board will never know. Safe to say you stopped by other gogo bars at Nana, and it was disappointing?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2330556]
Either that offer was in no way as "idiot-proof" as I thought it would be on a slow Monday night during Low Season or I had simply encountered two idiots on lower Sukhumvit who could not see any reason on Earth to accept it.
[/QUOTE]I don't see why you use the term idiot-proof at all. Some girls can like the deal and some not. I suspect the whole thing was doomed from the moment the mamasans arrived. Normally I hand bar fines to girls with no direct mamasan involvement. I am now thinking that I should make a rule for myself, that once a mamasan arrives and starts putting her thoughts in, the deal should be off, and I should warn girls I am allergic to mamasans too.

I recall my last disaster at RB2, occurred after a mamasan approached and wanted me to pay upfront, which I refused, but I should have cancelled the girl as well. In the end wasted the 1 K barfine, wasted my time taking her back to my apartment, and wasted some small money on what she wanted to eat at Maccas or was it KFC, I can't remember since I ordered nothing. I don't eat that shit. Anyway she got no money since she refused to fuck being the black pad stain end of her period. I just wanted her to rinse up and fuck as normal (with condom).

My other thought is that all girls at Butterflies maybe programmed to believe that they are worth 3 K, even if clearly different girls are worth different amounts in my eyes.

Maybe the girl does not trust you that you will do only DATY for 2 k. Admittedly it seems like easy money, if is true. The girl never heard of a customer pulling this DATY only "scam" before. Ha ha. Just teasing and trying to imagine what she is thinking. I believe that you would pay more if you got what you wanted, as would I.

I agree with you that the standard of girls at Butterflies is sometimes exaggerated, they are not really as good as Billboard girls overall, maybe the odd nice one. I consider Butterflies to be somewhat the Billboard 2nd tier girls, bearing in mind that Billboard also has few stunners for the face (mostly good bodies).

I did meet one Butterflies girl that I know was a good fuck because I used to do her at Dollhouse, but her body had deteriorated to pudgy. May have even had a baby since I last did her.

I don't really know much about how many girls can be bargained down to a lower price. It is extremely unlikely I am ever taking a lower standard girl, that is not in the top tier, and therefore are always the top price, likely, if specified before BFing. I still get plenty of girls though that do not negotiate a price with me at all. So I can pay what I determine to be fair which is never stingy. Of course I don't know exactly what I am getting but success rate is far higher with girls after no negotiation. These girls that do not negotiate price, are always very keen, and perform well. Maybe they can tell I am "Jai Dee". One such bargirl was not that keen to do BBFS, however when she could see I was having trouble cumming and dick would start to flag, she eventually gave in to BBFS on the 3rd round of fucking I think (still with no price negotiation). Her pussy was just a bit on the tight side for me, so BB was working much better. I am willing to COB instead of CIP. Now I can expect BBFS with her any time I want and never a price negotiation. It is so much easier once have regulars. I do have my HIV test certificate but I don't really know if most girls are educated enough to be able to decipher it, being in English. "Non Reactive" may be a bit mysterious to them. Perhaps I should be requesting my certificate to be in Thai, since I can read it.

In the really old days, I don't recall doing much negotiating with girls if ever.

I probably should be telling a mamasan that I just don't need her since the girl and myself have no communication issues at all, other than overly loud music at some venues..

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330208]On the average, girls there in AC are less attractive (in my opinion). I think Baccara by itself has more hot girls than all of AC.
[/QUOTE]I think the comparison is very non apt. I hear that AC is low on surgeries girls, where Baccara specializes in it. I would do Elsa no problem but hardly any Baccara girls. Elsa's nose is not perfect but I think we can overlook that. Is it possible she has a nose job (it does look slightly strange)?

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2330373]Her tits are too big to me.

Not to mention they are probably fake.

And she looks old LOL.

Over 25 (in Asia is over the hill).

So this is what you consider top 2-3?

I probably wouldn't want to waste a bullet on her.

Maybe if she was closer to 18 yo rather than closer to 28 yo?

With smaller natural boobs.[/QUOTE]If I'm not mistaken, she was 18 or 19 in that photo. Those tits are obviously real. And yes, she would be a top 2 or 3 in any bar in AC. Hell, she would be top 1 in the history of AC. LOL.

If you like small boobs, you and I would be good to hang out together. I can't stand small boobs so we wouldn't be going for the same girls.

Girl's bodies with tits like that seem to go to hell very quickly. If you don't get them around 18,19 or 20 years old, you are too late. She's a fat cow now.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2330683]I don't see why you use the term idiot-proof at all. Some girls can like the deal and some not. I suspect the whole thing was doomed from the moment the mamasans arrived. Normally I hand bar fines to girls with no direct mamasan involvement. I am now thinking that I should make a rule for myself, that once a mamasan arrives and starts putting her thoughts in, the deal should be off, and I should warn girls I am allergic to mamasans too.

I recall my last disaster at RB2, occurred after a mamasan approached and wanted me to pay upfront, which I refused, but I should have cancelled the girl as well. In the end wasted the 1 K barfine, wasted my time taking her back to my apartment, and wasted some small money on what she wanted to eat at Maccas or was it KFC, I can't remember since I ordered nothing. I don't eat that shit. Anyway she got no money since she refused to fuck being the black pad stain end of her period. I just wanted her to rinse up and fuck as normal (with condom).

My other thought is that all girls at Butterflies maybe programmed to believe that they are worth 3 K, even if clearly different girls are worth different amounts in my eyes.

Maybe the girl does not trust you that you will do only DATY for 2 k. Admittedly it seems like easy money, if is true. The girl never heard of a customer pulling this DATY only "scam" before. Ha ha. Just teasing and trying to imagine what she is thinking. I believe that you would pay more if you got what you wanted, as would I...[/QUOTE]I don't believe in paying sucker price (sticker price).

Well one day in nana, I made a deal with a girl the mamasan came up right before I paid the BF.

And raised the price on our agreement, she knew I had barfined many girls out of that bar.

So when she did that I put down my glass and walked out.

I didn't return for a few days, and she never did that again LMAO!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330695]
Girl's bodies with tits like that seem to go to hell very quickly. If you don't get them around 18,19 or 20 years old, you are too late. She's a fat cow now.[/QUOTE]I have done 18 to 20 YO girls with natural tits equally high (but not equally large). I got one accidentally at a cart bar on Asoke that maybe was not to 18. Whoops! her tits were amazing in terms of no sag. Maybe still have the tits pic. Will check. Without the face it is hard to be sure which girl is which from the past.

Yes given her tits are real and so high, she has to be young, and one would not expect it to last. My GF has biggish tits but at 39 they have to start to sag. Certainly cannot sit as high as Elsa's. First glance at the pics, one can think they look suspicious, but closer examination actually finds no evidence of a silicone job. I have never ever seen a tit job looking that good and real, so they must be real. Simple probability logic. If a tit job like that was possible, surely would cost a fortune and AC girls would not be able to afford it. Even Hollywood movie star tit jobs are not looking that good.

Fortunately I can take girls with very small tits as well (if nice shaped). For me the shape and curve is all important and fake ones can rarely have acceptable shape. So I don't like fake ones unless a very superior subtle job, that is not exaggerated.

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2330571]1000 BF? Did it go up from 700?

Agreed that she may be a bit dense as it is slow season, but if she gets BFed every night, that may be the reason she's holding at 3 k. The less attractive of the 2 who initially sat with you might have done BBFS+CIM, DATY, or whatever, but the board will never know. Safe to say you stopped by other gogo bars at Nana, and it was disappointing?[/QUOTE]The barfine at Butterflies has been 1,000 for quite a while I think. Well, several months at least. Maybe there are times when they run an "Early Bird Special", a "Late Bird Special" or a "Weekday Special" when the barfine is reduced to 700 baht that I am not aware of. Actually, Monday was kinda sorta a holiday or a special day in that it was technically the Queen's Birthday I think. Maybe it would have been 700 baht on a regular Monday but raised 300 baht to honor the Queen. lol.

On this night, last night (Monday), I did not go into any other gogo bars. After leaving Butterflies, I went to Thermae and took a girl from there. I will post a Report on that and two previous Thermae take outs over the past 3 months later when I can devote more attention to it.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330695]If I'm not mistaken, she was 18 or 19 in that photo. Those tits are obviously real. And yes, she would be a top 2 or 3 in any bar in AC. Hell, she would be top 1 in the history of AC. LOL.

If you like small boobs, you and I would be good to hang out together. I can't stand small boobs so we wouldn't be going for the same girls.

Girl's bodies with tits like that seem to go to hell very quickly. If you don't get them around 18,19 or 20 years old, you are too late. She's a fat cow now.[/QUOTE]She's certainly cute and stacked but comparing some of your photos from home it begs the question why did you leave Jakarta? You could have saved the airfare and gotten better girls.

I guess the grass is always greener. 😁.

Some great and informative posts regardless.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. You're correct about getting in early. Age and, even worse, kids do a lot of damage. Their body types are also the type to put on belly and hip fat later on while spinners remain stick figures.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2330710]The barfine at Butterflies has been 1,000 for quite a while I think. Well, several months at least. Maybe there are times when they run an "Early Bird Special", a "Late Bird Special" or a "Weekday Special" when the barfine is reduced to 700 baht that I am not aware of. Actually, Monday was kinda sorta a holiday or a special day in that it was technically the Queen's Birthday I think. Maybe it would have been 700 baht on a regular Monday but raised 300 baht to honor the Queen. lol.
[/QUOTE]Ha ha the new Thai mothers day, and lots of bargirls are mothers.

I would not be surprised if Butterflys has multiple BFs depending if girl from agency or not, and maybe bath girls are different to stage girls. I probably once knew but have forgotten now, since I don't frequent this bar. Time of night dependent BFs are possible too.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2330711]She's certainly cute and stacked but comparing some of your photos from home it begs the question why did you leave Jakarta? You could have saved the airfare and gotten better girls.[/QUOTE]I'm not in AC. I never did that girl, I was just using her as a reference to the best I have seen in AC. Great tits!

AC is a relaxed place for retired guys with too much time on their hands to hang out with young playful girls. The girls may be better looking elsewhere, but I understand the attraction of the place. I'm not retired yet, so I have no interest in it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2330683]I don't see why you use the term idiot-proof at all. Some girls can like the deal and some not.
...[/QUOTE]Yes, I suppose in today's environment, I might say it would take a "Very Stable Genius" and only average looking bargirl at best who I am sure does not get barfined every night, especially on a Monday during Low Season, to refuse to accept 2,000 baht just to get her pussy eaten for a while with no requirement or expectation of anything else along with a definite offer to pay her more if she herself was inspired to do anything more, to not even consider countering with 2,500 baht as several other girls in the same bar have done recently almost immediately after saying "3,000 baht" and getting a cool response from the punter (even for an outright upfront agreement to provide BBFS+CIP). And particularly with a customer whom she had been groping, initiating tongue kissing and luvin' on like a horny octopus for a half hour. LOL.

Or maybe the mamasan was the "Very Stable Genius" here. I agree with you. As soon as I saw TWO mamasans zeroing in on what I would guess was the ONLY barfine possibility on the scene at the moment (me), I probably could have made and won a big money bet it would not turn out well for me or the girl.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330695]If I'm not mistaken, she was 18 or 19 in that photo. Those tits are obviously real. And yes, she would be a top 2 or 3 in any bar in AC. Hell, she would be top 1 in the history of AC. LOL.

If you like small boobs, you and I would be good to hang out together. I can't stand small boobs so we wouldn't be going for the same girls.

Girl's bodies with tits like that seem to go to hell very quickly. If you don't get them around 18,19 or 20 years old, you are too late. She's a fat cow now.[/QUOTE]She is top 2-3 in AC bar.

But lets be honest that's not saying much (if anything) LOL.

I don't know if I would call her top 2-3 in BKK bars, I would most likely pass on her in either venue.

No offense, she's not hideous.

I wouldn't turn her down for free, I would just rather spend my money on something.

That would excite me.

That being said.

If I met her, and she was really sweet, and whispered in my ear all the crazy.

Things a good girls knows to say.

Anything is possible, and there are always more variables for me than those that can be captured in just a photo.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2330715] 2,000 baht just to get her pussy eaten.[/QUOTE]I don't know about in Thailand, but in Indonesia I know plenty of girls who would much rather be fucked than have their pussy eaten. They would definitely want to charge more to have you perfom DATY on them than to fuck them.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330720]I don't know about in Thailand, but in Indonesia I know plenty of girls who would much rather be fucked than have their pussy eaten. They would definitely want to charge more to have you perfom DATY on them than to fuck them.[/QUOTE]We had already covered the topic of her shaved pussy and her over the top love for DATY in our conversation during the two LDs. And she had every opportunity to change or alter the terms of my offer, including the amount of money I would pay above 2,000 baht as long as she had at least some idea what else she WOULD be willing to do in the room to justify my paying her that much or even 3,000 baht. As you see in my post, I even asked her about that. But she apparently couldn't think of anything that she would be willing to do in order to earn 3,000 baht except me eating her pussy.

Nice occupation I'd say. I no longer feel bad that they get so few days off in a month.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330720]I don't know about in Thailand, but in Indonesia I know plenty of girls who would much rather be fucked than have their pussy eaten. They would definitely want to charge more to have you perfom DATY on them than to fuck them.[/QUOTE]Or fucked instead.

But my theory is, that this, to them is a unique request.

And unique requests, justify a surcharge (call it a special request surcharge?) or a fetish surcharge?

If you would of asked to just suck her toes.

Or only kiss or only eat her ass.

I'm guessing her reaction might have been similar?

Or it could just be that she doesn't care what you want, even if you just want to talk.

She's charging you for her time.

Whether you want PSE like me? Or just want to cuddle for 60 minutes?

The rate is the same?

My theory is, if this is what you wanted, you should of asked for everything at a fair price.

And asked to renegotiate in the room.

I think you are at serious risk of ruining a deal.

But by trying to micro manage every detail (or simply getting way to specific) before hand in the bar.

Most hookers don't like that, many see it as the monger being way to controlling.

You have to be much more flexible on the fly.

I can't imagine how many deals I would have ruined if I tried to manage every detail before the session.

And I can't imagine how many life altering sex sessions I would have missed out on as a consequence.

They like to keep their options open, if someone wants iron clad assurances and some type of verbal agreement.

An oral contract of sorts, I can see this as counterproductive.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330208]On the average, girls there in AC are less attractive (in my opinion). I think Baccara by itself has more hot girls than all of AC.

I will say that I wanted to get to AC to sample the famous Elsa a while back when she first hit the scene. She was probably the hottest girl I have seen working AC. Then again, I like girls with big natural tits.[/QUOTE]That's a great body.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2330688]Elsa's nose is not perfect but I think we can overlook that. Is it possible she has a nose job (it does look slightly strange)?[/QUOTE]Did you ever consider going to a shrink to talk about your nose job phobia? LOL.
This girl has a perfectly normal nose for a Filipina, or any other woman on the planet for that matter.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2330704] I have never ever seen a tit job looking that good and real, so they must be real. [/QUOTE]I'm almost 100% sure they are real. I've come across several girls in the Philippines with tits like that over the years. And they were all natural. Filipina's can have amazing tits. More so than Thai girls.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2330733]We had already covered the topic of her shaved pussy and her over the top love for DATY in our conversation during the two LDs. And she had every opportunity to change or alter the terms of my offer, including the amount of money I would pay above 2,000 baht as long as she had at least some idea what else she WOULD be willing to do in the room to justify my paying her that much or even 3,000 baht. As you see in my post, I even asked her about that. But she apparently couldn't think of anything that she would be willing to do in order to earn 3,000 baht except me eating her pussy.

Nice occupation I'd say. I no longer feel bad that they get so few days off in a month.[/QUOTE]You've gotten me hot for this girl. Can you share her name and her dancing number? I'll head over there tonight.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2330710]The barfine at Butterflies has been 1,000 for quite a while I think. Well, several months at least. Maybe there are times when they run an "Early Bird Special", a "Late Bird Special" or a "Weekday Special" when the barfine is reduced to 700 baht that I am not aware of. Actually, Monday was kinda sorta a holiday or a special day in that it was technically the Queen's Birthday I think. Maybe it would have been 700 baht on a regular Monday but raised 300 baht to honor the Queen. lol.

On this night, last night (Monday), I did not go into any other gogo bars. After leaving Butterflies, I went to Thermae and took a girl from there. I will post a Report on that and two previous Thermae take outs over the past 3 months later when I can devote more attention to it.[/QUOTE]Would love to hear your report on negotiation strategy on BBBJ+CIM or BBFS +CIP at thermae.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2330716]She is top 2-3 in AC bar.

But lets be honest that's not saying much (if anything) LOL.

I don't know if I would call her top 2-3 in BKK bars, I would most likely pass on her in either venue.

No offense, she's not hideous.

I wouldn't turn her down for free, I would just rather spend my money on something.

That would excite me.

That being said.

If I met her, and she was really sweet, and whispered in my ear all the crazy.

Things a good girls knows to say.

Anything is possible, and there are always more variables for me than those that can be captured in just a photo.[/QUOTE]I typed a different word with hyphens, I didn't type good girls LOL.

The best place to bareback girls in Bangcock? I will be in Thailand next week. I am now mongering in Colombia.

[QUOTE=FarangPunter;2330889]Would love to hear your report on negotiation strategy on BBBJ+CIM or BBFS +CIP at thermae.[/QUOTE]Thermae is a special challenge for getting an upfront commitment for anything off the basic, standard fare because the girls are standing or sitting close to other people. They aren't going to say yes to either of those requests if they think any other person on the planet heard you ask it or knows what you asked. I have even had girls on the left side gesture for me to come sit in a booth with them for a moment to have a more "private" conversation while there is some Japanese dude sitting right across the same table. LOL. Waste of time trying to talk about anything touchy there.

I think the best chance for getting an upfront agreement there is to leave the bar with the girl and tell her what you want on the sidewalk outside away from other people.

Of course, this is about getting an upfront agreement for those or other things, not to be confused with not mentioning anything and just "going with the flow and see what happens in the room." That appears to work fine for many guys, especially those for whom covered sex is still pretty good and acceptable anyway.

That doesn't work very well for me though. If my finishing in either of the two ways I can and will finish, BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP, is important this time, I need to get an upfront agreement for it before we go to my room. And if she says no, not a big deal to me these days. Next!

The other challenge with Thermae girls is many of them are mere P4P hobbyists, not fully committed to the business the way a go-go dancer, escort or even a FL standing on the street is committed to it. It is a very comfy part time gig to show up in Thermae whenever they feel like it and see if they can pick up an extra 2,500-3,000 baht for an hour doing as little as humanly possible. And if the rare punter asks them to actually do something, put themselves out a bit for the money, that does not fit the part time job pattern they expected or are used to.

But if there is an opportunity to negotiate for something off their menu upfront, the most direct approach has worked ok for me if there is any chance at all of it working; tell her I would pay XXXX baht for boom boom no condom and wait for her reply. In my case, if it is No, I might then ask if she can finish a BJ for me the way I want. If she says No to that, too, I smile, thank her for her time and walk away from what I am sure would have been worse than a waste of time and money for me anyway.

There is no clever, tricky way to get a girl to agree upfront to something she has no interest or need to do as far as I know. Best bet is to already be (or appear to be) the kind of person she would feel good about saying Yes to. LOL. I am talking about presenting a smiley, easy going, fun, pleasant demeanor, being clean and well groomed (unless she prefers the grungy type) and, yes, sometimes letting her know I have had a vasectomy and can show a recent normal blood check result document if that helps to make her feel more comfortable.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2330710]The barfine at Butterflies has been 1,000 for quite a while I think. Well, several months at least. Maybe there are times when they run an "Early Bird Special", a "Late Bird Special" or a "Weekday Special" when the barfine is reduced to 700 baht that I am not aware of. Actually, Monday was kinda sorta a holiday or a special day in that it was technically the Queen's Birthday I think. Maybe it would have been 700 baht on a regular Monday but raised 300 baht to honor the Queen. lol.

On this night, last night (Monday), I did not go into any other gogo bars. After leaving Butterflies, I went to Thermae and took a girl from there. I will post a Report on that and two previous Thermae take outs over the past 3 months later when I can devote more attention to it.[/QUOTE]I could be wrong. I know Billboard was 700 baht and didn't remember Butterflies being different. Looking forward to your review.

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Wowwwwwwww.

Sounds like they are operating off of the same script as hookers.

The consumer with no regard for the concept of value is really culpable and complicit.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2331069]Thermae is a special challenge for getting an upfront commitment for anything off the basic, standard fare because the girls are standing or sitting close to other people. They aren't going to say yes to either of those requests if they think any other person on the planet heard you ask it or knows what you asked. I have even had girls on the left side gesture for me to come sit in a booth with them for a moment to have a more "private" conversation while there is some Japanese dude sitting right across the same table. LOL. Waste of time trying to talk about anything touchy there.[/QUOTE]Absolutely! On Soi 4 is the same. The girl is standing next to her friend. She is not necessarily openly going to agree to BBFS. Same anywhere I guess unless you can be sure your conversation is private. Even if someone overhears an offer of money well above the norm, then they will assume it is for something "special" or "Nasty".

Once you get to the room, many girls can't resist a bonus for BBFS, and yes some give in and provide for no extra charge. Girls are not smart if they give BBFS automatically to everyone, since they will catch something fairly soon. They need to come up with strategies to reduce the odds. I prefer girls that are not keen to give BBFS, and set a high premium for it, since they are less likely to have caught something. Regular tests helps too.

Girls have to also remember that regulars will expect BBFS every time if they ever got it. Would be smart to ask him to bring his recent test results.

Smart people also know that almost everyone lies about what things they have been doing sexually.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2331069]
The other challenge with Thermae girls is many of them are mere P4P hobbyists, not fully committed to the business the way a go-go dancer, escort or even a FL standing on the street is committed to it. It is a very comfy part time gig to show up in Thermae whenever they feel like it and see if they can pick up an extra 2,500-3,000 baht for an hour doing as little as humanly possible. And if the rare punter asks them to actually do something, put themselves out a bit for the money, that does not fit the part time job pattern they expected or are used to.
[/QUOTE]That is a pity and also hard to understand a bit. In the old days 1990's, the girls usually did all night bookings, and seemed to be in it for the sex as well as the money. They could be quite passionate, they could refuse guys that did not appeal to them. I don't recall any poor girls from early on. Perhaps it happened and I forgot them, after sending them packing. I certainly remember girls so good, I had to keep repeating them.

Maybe in the early days girls realised the value of getting repeat business, rather than perhaps missing out on a booking, yet a remember a girl refusing so many guys and risking not finding one at all for the night (she was the friend of the girl I kept repeating). I suppose for all night bookings that compatibility between guy and girl becomes heaps more important.

Now the objective seems to be easy money quickies. Such a contrast from what Thermae was like in former times.

I would love to be able to go back to 1991 and repeat it, perhaps slightly differently, I had to learn some lessons too. Perhaps 1981 would be even better.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2331145]That is a pity and also hard to understand a bit. In the old days 1990's, the girls usually did all night bookings, and seemed to be in it for the sex as well as the money. They could be quite passionate, they could refuse guys that did not appeal to them. I don't recall any poor girls from early on. Perhaps it happened and I forgot them, after sending them packing. I certainly remember girls so good, I had to keep repeating them.

Maybe in the early days girls realised the value of getting repeat business, rather than perhaps missing out on a booking, yet a remember a girl refusing so many guys and risking not finding one at all for the night (she was the friend of the girl I kept repeating). I suppose for all night bookings that compatibility between guy and girl becomes heaps more important.

Now the objective seems to be easy money quickies. Such a contrast from what Thermae was like in former times.

I would love to be able to go back to 1991 and repeat it, perhaps slightly differently, I had to learn some lessons too. Perhaps 1981 would be even better.[/QUOTE]I believe this is where Goatscrot's observations about a very different regular clientele today vs back then comes into play. That reality certainly helps me to understand why the girls are the way they are today vs back then.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2331141]Absolutely! On Soi 4 is the same. The girl is standing next to her friend. She is not necessarily openly going to agree to BBFS. Same anywhere I guess unless you can be sure your conversation is private. Even if someone overhears an offer of money well above the norm, then they will assume it is for something "special" or "Nasty".

Once you get to the room, many girls can't resist a bonus for BBFS, and yes some give in and provide for no extra charge. Girls are not smart if they give BBFS automatically to everyone, since they will catch something fairly soon. They need to come up with strategies to reduce the odds. I prefer girls that are not keen to give BBFS, and set a high premium for it, since they are less likely to have caught something. Regular tests helps too.

Girls have to also remember that regulars will expect BBFS every time if they ever got it. Would be smart to ask him to bring his recent test results.

Smart people also know that almost everyone lies about what things they have been doing sexually.[/QUOTE]In BKK I don't want BBFS pse from a WG that gives that to everyone, that's a huge problem with AC everyone is getting BBFS, so I'm not able to enjoy DFK or DATY, even if I'm really turned on by her!

I prefer a WG that will take some coaxing in some manner, not to mention, I like to feel like she's treating me better than others LOL.

Not just a cum dumpster, for every monger in Asia, but yes they can lie, but I think I'm pretty good at guessing.

If she does this with every cock every session or not, I like to think intuition comes with experience.

As opposed to self-delusion!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2330556]The dykie mamasan walked away and then I asked the still cuddling girl what we would do in the room for the 3,000 baht. Remember, I just did not want to go through any discussion about the minimum I require this night, didn't want to have the "condom" conversation tonight, didn't want to explain for the umpteenth time that I was not looking for a BBBJ that ends as a Hand Job instead of a Blowjob. I was not going to pay to jerk myself off on some part of her body and call that "great sex". I wanted her to at least say, "Anything" or "Everything" or "Up to you" or "Boom boom" or "Stare at the wall" or something, anything. But nope. Nothing. Apparently, she was actually demanding 3,000 baht ST for the DATY I said I wanted to do to her and NOTHING else. LOL.

So I thanked them both for their time, the girl and the dykie mamasan, paid my approximate 500 baht check bin, left 20 baht tip for the server, stood up and moved on.

Either that offer was in no way as "idiot-proof" as I thought it would be on a slow Monday night during Low Season or I had simply encountered two idiots on lower Sukhumvit who could not see any reason on Earth to accept it.[/QUOTE]Very interesting story this. I just think you made it too complicated. I am sure you know that most of these bar girls are simple farm girls from Isaan. Some are very clever, but they simply do not like complicated customers. Why do you think Koreans are so popular? I have asked this questions to bargirls many times and their reply. Apart from the easy-money / pay better / come in 1 minute aspect, it is always the same; falangs are complicated and ask too many questions. Koreans just smile and are happy and easy-going. They do not ask questions about their personal life or make complicated suggestions like the one you suggested. I am sure you know this and I am sure that you just wanted to play games with the girls this evening, but the story is a brilliant example of what many falang seems to miss; do not make it complicated. Smile, be happy, joke with her. Do not enter into questions on political issues, Thai mentality, her personal life etc. If she is not willing to lower the price, just walk away and try the next one. On a side note; I have a friend that visited Bangkok for the first time last year (he is over 50 years). He love to talk politics with everybody. So he started that also with go-go bargirls in Bangkok. After some time I had to tell him to stop. He just wasted his time. The girls are not interested, in general they have no idea of what is going on outside Thailand, and they could not care a rats-ass about politics or your opinion. So in the end he gave up.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2331177]Why do you think Koreans are so popular? I have asked this questions to bargirls many times and their reply. Apart from the easy-money / pay better / come in 1 minute aspect, it is always the same; falangs are complicated and ask too many questions. Koreans just smile and are happy and easy-going. They do not ask questions about their personal life or make complicated suggestions like the one you suggested. [/QUOTE]Ha ha. I wish it were that simple. I don't ask the girl lots of questions, only the most basic, like will you go with me for short time? Etc. I never discuss details of the acts to be performed. I never ask the girls personal questions, other than maybe how old and which province they come from. I am easy-going and joke around. I have started to ask girls a bit about how long they have been in the bar, do they like Farangs or Asians better, etc. I try to gauge if they are experienced at fucking Farangs or complete newbies. I don't even ask if they have a baby. I can guess that for myself (mostly).

Maybe some girls are really liking my easy going nature, but that might be a small percentage. Girls may well have a very complex set of criteria and priorities in selecting a target customer. The criteria might not even be conscious. Many times has been said it matters how we dress, how we smell, are we polite, arrogant, etc. I think many girls do not see me as a stingy type and that is why I don't have to negotiate a price with all girls. Some have already seen how other girls that know me react to me, and may have heard gossip.

Despite my easy going nature, some girls are still going to prefer Koreans, probably younger and more handsome, maybe quick fucks I don't know, maybe known for paying well for very poor service, whatever. The girl does not know in advance that I fuck for a long time compared to average. We get undressed and they can get dick scared quite quickly if not used to Farangs. Then I can't fuck the girl who is maintaining her straight stiff legs starfish. It is just not going to work. I would prefer a limp relaxed star fish. That is the big danger if girl is not experienced with Farangs. In Thermae, we get a yes from some girls but with Farang surcharge. Already their attitude is apparent. It seems like they expect we will take longer and therefore should pay more, meaning the girl likes a quickie, more than likely. Plenty of times we see a bar girl go with customer and then return to the bar in 30 minutes or less (sometimes seems like 20 minutes), especially with Asian customers.

Some girls are just not doing Farangs at all. Maybe too many bad experiences and damage. We might collectively deserve our bad reputation, even if I am the easy going type. It is hard for me to imagine just how ugly or psycho guys can be in the way they talk to girls and treat them.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2331177]The girls are not interested, in general they have no idea of what is going on outside Thailand, and they could not care a rats-ass about politics or your opinion.[/QUOTE]Very wise words indeed. I couldn't believe how oblivious Thai's were to what is going on in the rest of the world when I first came onto the scene. Twenty years later, nothing has changed.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2331069]
I think the best chance for getting an upfront agreement there is to leave the bar with the girl and tell her what you want on the sidewalk outside away from other people.[/QUOTE]Are they never mad at you? Because by taking a girl outside she might get the impression that you've already decided to take her home. Or do you only say 'let's go outside to discuss things in private', or something like that, without agreeing to anything yet in the bar?

[QUOTE=EnjoyLife63;2331004]The best place to bareback girls in Bangcock? I will be in Thailand next week. I am now mongering in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Your hotel room? There is no best place for this. Just try to find girls in agogo's, in the streets or online who are willing to bareback. And read EihTooms' reports for example.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2331145]In the old days 1990's, the girls usually did all night bookings, and seemed to be in it for the sex as well as the money. They could be quite passionate, they could refuse guys that did not appeal to them.[/QUOTE]Back in the day, the end-game for many (most) girls was getting married to a Farang, and they were also hoping to snag one or several long-term boyfriends who'd come a few times a year, and perhaps occasionally send money too. If you had a bit of chemistry with a girl, the session would often be more like a date, but with guaranteed sex. These days in Thailand it's mostly just helping you blow your load, as it is almost everywhere else in the world.

Current crop of girls is mostly not even interested in long time, let alone more extensive arrangements, and given most of them are bottom of the barrel, most punters aren't that interested in the latter either.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2331237]Back in the day, the end-game for many (most) girls was getting married to a Farang, and they were also hoping to snag one or several long-term boyfriends who'd come a few times a year, and perhaps occasionally send money too. If you had a bit of chemistry with a girl, the session would often be more like a date, but with guaranteed sex.[/QUOTE]I worked for extended periods in Bkk during the late 80's and met lots of Thai women, many of whom were professionals with real jobs.

I have to say (in terms of Crocexp's comment reported above), that this group of Thai women were almost never interested in marriage with a farang UNLESS he planned to stay in Thailand. Relationships with farangs were welcomed and sought after as long as they could stay in Thailand. They didn't even wish to travel anywhere else.

The answer when asked "Why" was always "because me Thai".

That was all the logic needed.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2331154]In BKK I don't want BBFS pse from a WG that gives that to everyone, that's a huge problem with AC everyone is getting BBFS, so I'm not able to enjoy DFK or DATY, even if I'm really turned on by her!

I prefer a WG that will take some coaxing in some manner, not to mention, I like to feel like she's treating me better than others LOL.

Not just a cum dumpster, for every monger in Asia, but yes they can lie, but I think I'm pretty good at guessing.

If she does this with every cock every session or not, I like to think intuition comes with experience.

As opposed to self-delusion![/QUOTE]It's their business to be able to read you and ascertain what you want and need. Most are quite good at it even if they seem out to lunch about so much.

I'd say you have just as much chance of contracting something here as you do in AC. Part of the game.

It's an illusion so don't delude yourself. But as illusions go, it's one of the best.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2331237]Back in the day, the end-game for many (most) girls was getting married to a Farang, and they were also hoping to snag one or several long-term boyfriends who'd come a few times a year, and perhaps occasionally send money too. If you had a bit of chemistry with a girl, the session would often be more like a date, but with guaranteed sex. These days in Thailand it's mostly just helping you blow your load, as it is almost everywhere else in the world.

Current crop of girls is mostly not even interested in long time, let alone more extensive arrangements, and given most of them are bottom of the barrel, most punters aren't that interested in the latter either.[/QUOTE]Spot on. Gals expectations have developed along with the economy. 20 years ago most Thai gals thought they were ugly. Not true. Now many think they are the best looking things on earth. Also not true.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2331241]I worked for extended periods in Bkk during the late 80's and met lots of Thai women, many of whom were professionals with real jobs.

I have to say (in terms of Crocexp's comment reported above), that this group of Thai women were almost never interested in marriage with a farang UNLESS he planned to stay in Thailand. Relationships with farangs were welcomed and sought after as long as they could stay in Thailand. They didn't even wish to travel anywhere else. [/QUOTE]That's true. Even today, most Thais of all social classes strongly prefer to stay in Thailand, although many don't mind going abroad for a holiday these days.

However, in the past, most women from lower classes of society would accept moving abroad as part-and-parcel of social and economic advancement that marriage to a (relatively) wealthy Farang would bring to her and the entire family. They would prefer if he stayed in Thailand and bought them a house of course. Or even better, just bought the house and sent money without staying.

This is in stark contrast with the Filipinas who's jump at a chance to live abroad, preferably permanently.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2331338]Gals expectations have developed along with the economy. 20 years ago most Thai gals thought they were ugly.[/QUOTE]

So true. I still remember rather good looking 26 year olds complaining they're old women, and ugly to boot. Now the hookers pushing 40 (who tell punters they're 29) think they're the hottest thing ever. Part of it is the economy, but demographics are also a huge factor.

In any case, a Farang expat or tourist marrying a working girl used to be common in the past (I [I]almost[/I] ended up doing that), but with the current crop of hookers, one would have to be truly delusional to even contemplate the possibility.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2331194]Are they never mad at you? Because by taking a girl outside she might get the impression that you've already decided to take her home. Or do you only say 'let's go outside to discuss things in private', or something like that, without agreeing to anything yet in the bar?[/QUOTE]Oh, definitely the latter. Glad you asked so I could clarify. I treat it the same as suggesting a move to a quieter section of the room or as in the move I mentioned when a girl wants me to sit in a booth or at a table to discuss terms. I usually see 1-2 other couples out there apparently doing the same thing.

I do what I can to avoid making her think I have immediately decided to take her and "Let's go!"

I am not saying some girls have not misunderstood it to mean otherwise. I can't say for sure. But it has never been a problem for both of us to walk right back inside to carry on if the deal has not been struck outside.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2331355]That's true. Even today, most Thais of all social classes strongly prefer to stay in Thailand, although many don't mind going abroad for a holiday these days.

However, in the past, most women from lower classes of society would accept moving abroad as part-and-parcel of social and economic advancement that marriage to a (relatively) wealthy Farang would bring to her and the entire family. They would prefer if he stayed in Thailand and bought them a house of course. Or even better, just bought the house and sent money without staying.

This is in stark contrast with the Filipinas who's jump at a chance to live abroad, preferably permanently.[/QUOTE]The Philippines was a US colony up until 1946. The US influence in the Philippines still remain strong, especially because a lot of healthcare workers comes from the Philippines. It embedded in the cultural fabric. Where compare to Thailand which claims to never been colonized by a western power but they did yield to the Japanese Army during world war 2. Around Thailand you can see that Thai-Japanese relations are pretty strong. I would guess that Thai would more likely move to Japan vs other western nation.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2331177]Very interesting story this. I just think you made it too complicated. I am sure you know that most of these bar girls are simple farm girls from Isaan. Some are very clever, but they simply do not like complicated customers. Why do you think Koreans are so popular? I have asked this questions to bargirls many times and their reply. Apart from the easy-money / pay better / come in 1 minute aspect, it is always the same; falangs are complicated and ask too many questions. Koreans just smile and are happy and easy-going. They do not ask questions about their personal life or make complicated suggestions like the one you suggested. I am sure you know this and I am sure that you just wanted to play games with the girls this evening, but the story is a brilliant example of what many falang seems to miss; do not make it complicated. Smile, be happy, joke with her. Do not enter into questions on political issues, Thai mentality, her personal life etc. If she is not willing to lower the price, just walk away and try the next one. On a side note; I have a friend that visited Bangkok for the first time last year (he is over 50 years). He love to talk politics with everybody. So he started that also with go-go bargirls in Bangkok. After some time I had to tell him to stop. He just wasted his time. The girls are not interested, in general they have no idea of what is going on outside Thailand, and they could not care a rats-ass about politics or your opinion. So in the end he gave up.[/QUOTE]Yes, it was really more of a fun test (game?) than anything else; how little could I ask of an already aggressively lobbying P4P girl upfront in order to avoid any discussion or mention of condoms initiated by her and severe push back for not agreeing to her initial asking price. Well, at least she did not demand or even mention a condom for the DATY. Lol. However, I did get push back so severe on my money offer no midway counter offer was even considered. LOL.

In this case, I suppose the only thing that might have been asking less of her would have been if I'd said I would give her 2,000 baht to just sit in the taxi outside while I went inside my room alone for 15 minutes. To which she and the mamasan presumably would have said in unison, "All the girls here get 3,000 baht for Short Time!"

I don't know. Is that taxi arrangement a well known fetish for which bargirls are prepared in a nanosecond to jack up the price and stick to it as well?

One thing I learned from this little test was neither this girl nor either of the two mamasans in Butterflies who descended on me when it looked like I might pay a barfine are familiar with customers asking for anything in particular in the room and are only familiar with them negotiating price. Which is what I fear it has come to these days anyway.

Despite the oft repeated advice about telling the girl or the mamasan what you want beforehand, they've heard it all, etc., etc., I think the truth is these girls and mamasans almost never hear anything from the cusomer regarding what he expects of her for the money he is going to give her. They are totally confused about what to do or say about it when that happens. Which I think is similar to your point as well.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7107019/Thailand-PM-inspired-Bourton-Water-swap-prostitutes-flowers.html[/URL]

I generally stick around lower Suk while in Bangkok. Any opinions on where specifically the working girls are that the Junta Gen specks of?

[QUOTE=FarangPunter;2331397]The Philippines was a US colony up until 1946. The US influence in the Philippines still remain strong, especially because a lot of healthcare workers comes from the Philippines. It embedded in the cultural fabric. Where compare to Thailand which claims to never been colonized by a western power but they did yield to the Japanese Army during world war 2. Around Thailand you can see that Thai-Japanese relations are pretty strong. I would guess that Thai would more likely move to Japan vs other western nation.[/QUOTE]Quite true. At least a couple of Thai girls have told me if there is rebirth they would prefer to born in Japan. It would have been a good follow up to ask as a woman or man (if that is permissible in the after worlds and what naught) but really I just keep it simple when in LOS seeking my next drink and / or the next super lay.

[QUOTE=Allover;2289969]Deja Vu, Kiss, Midnite, Rio, Sahara, Rawhide, and Spice Girls are owned by a guy known as the Arab. He's actually Iranian. All of his bars are known ripoffs. Avoid all of them.[/QUOTE]A friend of mine went into Sahara last night and was assaulted by one of the bouncers. He was with 2 other friends. They were handed a bill of 8000 baht for 3 drinks total. They say its bullshit, and they then lower the price to 4000. They still say it's not correct, the bouncer then proceeds to punch my friend in the face around 10 times in front of a police officer. He doesn't retaliate, and still tells them the price isn't correct while profusely bleeding from his brow. So they let them leave without paying anything. The price ended up being 20 stitches at the hospital.

I wasn't there to see it happen, and I'm only telling a summarized version 2nd hand. But it does show that there are still potentially dangerous situations and scammy practices going on in some go go bars. Even a simple search shows that place should be avoided along with all the other Arab owned bars in Soi Cowboy. I've never had an experience like this, but the lesson I would take away from my friend's story is that doing a bit of due diligence on websites like this helps quite a bit with avoiding shit situations like that.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2331402]
Despite the oft repeated advice about telling the girl or the mamasan what you want beforehand, they've heard it all, etc., etc., I think the truth is these girls and mamasans almost never hear anything from the cusomer regarding what he expects of her for the money he is going to give her. They are totally confused about what to do or say about it when that happens. Which I think is similar to your point as well.[/QUOTE]My main advice is to avoid the interfering mamasans at all costs if possible. I don't give a shit what they heard before and what they did not. They are going to adversely affect any attempted negotiation. The girl may agree to a lower price, in "private", unless a hell of a lot of guys on here quoting they got a lower price, are liars.

Truly I have had plenty of girls with no price negotiation at all. Easier for me, since I and not looking for special requirements, in terms of what we will do on a bed. Just want a girl that can relax and enjoy herself. Perhaps that is a tall order these days. So I ask questions to get information about the style of girl these days. That is not a negotiation at all.

I have found a girl that will go all night, and never had a price negotiation with her, even once. I need BB since pussy is a bit too tight. Maybe a bit too brown skinned for some guys on here, and tits too small for smoothy, but rest of body is good enough and face cute for me. Girls with attitudes like the old days still exist (just hard to find). I don't recall now if a mamasan was ever involved. Mamasans approach, but I am largely ignoring them, certainly not discussing taking a girl. I just hand BFs to the girl and she can go see the mamasan herself. No one method is going to feel right for everyone, I am sure. However the thing I need most, a certain girl attitude, cannot be negotiated.

As ET has mentioned, we can promise a bonus for the girl if she extra good, or extra "GFE". I don't believe we should have to pay the same price to every girl regardless of her quality and her attitude.

One possible remedy I was and am considering. Find a reasonably good looking girl on Soi 4 for a bargain basement base price. Then promise her various bonuses depending on just how good she can make the session. I certainly had girls that did not want to give much, but then I had not offered the bonuses. Lucky I found Naam, tall and well above average looks (small tits) that does not cut the time and gives full on tongue kissing etc. She is not at all adverse to a good bonus. Fun girl. A good session is guaranteed. No risk. Actually the best girl I had from Soi 4, ever, and that is over many years. Still would like to try the stunning deaf girl, if get a chance, with bonuses offered.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2331334]It's their business to be able to read you and ascertain what you want and need. Most are quite good at it even if they seem out to lunch about so much.

I'd say you have just as much chance of contracting something here as you do in AC. Part of the game.

It's an illusion so don't delude yourself. But as illusions go, it's one of the best.[/QUOTE]The truth is the truth.

Please elucidate the situation for me.

I have never used a condom in Asia.

60+ days in BKK and almost 120 in AC.

With some sessions include anal.

And have not contracted anything yet, probably close to 200 sessions?

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[QUOTE=Allover;2289969]Deja Vu, Kiss, Midnite, Rio, Sahara, Rawhide, and Spice Girls are owned by a guy known as the Arab. He's actually Iranian. All of his bars are known ripoffs. Avoid all of them.[/QUOTE]I think he also owns that Cowboy 2 bar.

I feel whether Thai women will relocate abroad depends on circumstances.

If professional and educated, from a middle income up socioeconomic background, they are less likely for sure. However if its true love and he's close in age, seriously financially secure and accepted by her family it's more than possible.

Girls on low incomes with little prospects of improving their circumstances are much more likely to move abroad especially if their partner is also willing to take care of her family or promises her an work opportunity to do her herself. Here his circumstances I. E. His age appearance and her feelings for him are less important but also play a part I. E. Is he a true Farang Jai Dee.

The smarter more experienced working girls seeking higher earnings are increasingly working abroad for limited periods most likely in Korea and Malaysia although they can be found almost anywhere. This is often cited as a reason for the declining quality of local talent.

All that said it is commonly accepted that Thai's unlike say Filipinos are among the least mobile people on the planet.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2331177]Very interesting story this. I just think you made it too complicated. I am sure you know that most of these bar girls are simple farm girls from Isaan. Some are very clever, but they simply do not like complicated customers. Why do you think Koreans are so popular? I have asked this questions to bargirls many times and their reply. Apart from the easy-money / pay better / come in 1 minute aspect, it is always the same; falangs are complicated and ask too many questions. Koreans just smile and are happy and easy-going. They do not ask questions about their personal life or make complicated suggestions like the one you suggested. I am sure you know this and I am sure that you just wanted to play games with the girls this evening, but the story is a brilliant example of what many falang seems to miss; do not make it complicated. Smile, be happy, joke with her. Do not enter into questions on political issues, Thai mentality, her personal life etc. If she is not willing to lower the price, just walk away and try the next one. On a side note; I have a friend that visited Bangkok for the first time last year (he is over 50 years)..[/QUOTE]I'm a 51 yo white guy.

I got a couple free bargirls without even buying them a drink in a couple Korean bars in AC on my recent trip (this one was from dragon bar).

So I'm laying in bed with one after we finish, and we are chatting a bit I ask her if she likes white guys or Koreans more.

She says Koreans, I ask why?

She says easy customers (most don't even speak English).

In ac most white guys speak English and want to pre-negotiate every detail and if they don't get everything we agreed to.

They will be yelling in the room and will probably come back to the bar to yell more.

Not the Koreans.

The prices are pre set.

They accept whatever is given, period!

There is never a debate or argument.

She says every girl in her bar is the same way.

They go for easy money.

This is how desperate duan destroys mongering.

Pays any price for any service.

I've been in almost every bar in ac in 120 nights.

99% are not worth the pre-set BF and girls fee, plus drinks.

Plus / plus / plus.

So they are getting overpaid by him and they can give him as little as they want.

Just run out the clock and make sure he cums somehow.

I was talking to a mamasan in dragon one day LOL.

She wanted me to fuck her LOL.

She was telling me she's also an interpreter for the bar.

She speaks Japanese.

I asked you get many Japanese customers? She said no, but we advertise to them.

And we get a few, and we need someone that can at least tell them the price.

So its obvious how desperate duan operates.

Its quite deliberate, ask for as little as possible, pay more than everyone else.

Take them for a massage and dinner, buy them roses, and don't forget to tip them well LMAO.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2331550]My main advice is to avoid the interfering mamasans at all costs if possible. I don't give a shit what they heard before and what they did not. They are going to adversely affect any attempted negotiation. The girl may agree to a lower price, in "private", unless a hell of a lot of guys on here quoting they got a lower price, are liars.[/QUOTE]One possibility I did not mention and waited to see if anyone else has gotten the same immovable, repeated "All girls here get 3,000 baht for ST" mantra from Butterflies girls and mamasans lately is if the girls are being extorted for as much as a 1,000 baht per ST kickback to the mamasans. Sure, maybe the girl just loathed the thought of me licking her pussy for a while so much even 2,000-2,500 baht was not nearly enough payment for her to subject herself to it.

But the thought did cross my mind during the mamasan interference and neither's willingness to budge even an inch to make at least some decent money for doing nothing requiring much effort that somebody is protecting the top asking price of somebody else a little too passionately here. So passionately that they are willing to see a relatively easy 2,000 baht walk away without even making a 2,500 baht split the difference counter offer. Just a thought.

[QUOTE]Still would like to try the stunning deaf girl, if get a chance, with bonuses offered.[/QUOTE]Several nights ago I saw another blondish double hair braided/pony-tail deaf girl standing near the first letter N side of the Nana Hotel sign. She was not the very hottest one I last saw there a couple of months ago. This one was skinnier, but still cute. As the copy-cat blondish double hair braided/pony-tail deaf girls go, she was imo the cutest of the copy-cats. There must be a half dozen girls at or near that Nana Hotel sign sporting that same look now.

Some here may remember the first great Dr. BJ's Salon super star, EE, who stopped working a few years ago. As far as I know, she was the first BJ bargirl to break with expectations and wear very large black horn rimmed glasses. She was sexier, better looking and more skilled than most at her job. The glasses did not detract much and she would remove them on request during the deed. They became her trade mark. Soon enough, MANY other BJ bargirls at that bar and other such bars began to show up wearing very large black horn rimmed glasses. LOL. Apparently, they were hoping to catch customers sent there by word-of-mouth (pun intended) to "choose the one with very large black horn rimmed glasses."

The same copy-cat thing seems to be happening with that blondish double hair braided/pony-tail look for many of the deaf girls in front of the Nana Hotel sign.

Anyway, I did not want to negotiate right there on the spot but got this one's Line info, which she was happy to give without hesitation. However, a closer look at her Line account left me with some confusion in that, although the girl in the profile photo looked generally like the one I'd just met in terms of size, skinniness and skin color, her hair and style was completely different, which is easy to happen, and she did not look nearly as cute in her pics as she did in the flesh. Of course, the latter does happen, too. But this was so stark I actually doubt it is the same girl. LOL. Some kind of switcheroo? Maybe.

As far as her (or whoever's) willingness to agree to my requirements of either a BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP (I did not say it that way, of course), the answer to BBFS+CIP was no, definitely no and no again, "1,500 for sex. Must use condom." The BBBJ+CIM part has not really been answered yet. I say yet because, much to my surprise, she did not block me after saying no, definitely no and no again to my general requirements and has continued off and on to send me little "Hi" messages every now and then as though she did not want to close the door entirely on what I was offering with a bonus. btw, I had also mentioned my vasectomy and recent normal blood check document. Maybe those are additional reasons she has not completely closed the door on agreeing to have a ST my way just yet.

First day in BKK and went for what I was having in mind a short stroll in Soi Cowboy. I wasn't expecting that much after reading the posts here about the go-go scene's especially in SC but it wasn't that bad after all. Did only 3 bars from about 09:30 pm until 3:00 am.

In fact I'm surprised to realize now and see how long I have been staying around there but I think it proves at least for me that I didn't had a bad time. First bar I went into was Dollhouse. It was quite busy but still some seats available. I think that most girls I've seen on stage were between 25 and 30 year old. Bodies were OK, mostly slim girls and I don't think I have seen silicones. I would give it an overall score of 6. 5 in regards to looks.

There was a girl I believe she was number 77 that I laid my eyes on. Actually she locked her eyes on me instead. I was attracted by her great smile. Funny to realize that the nonsense non-verbal interaction can give you a great feeling, haha. I was wondering that she would come over after her dance shift but she didn't and eventually I went off to the next bar, Kazy Kozy.

I can be short about that bar. Girls looked rather horrendous. Little to saggy tits and bodies without much curves. There were barely customers and the show didn't made it any better. I can't understand that such shows are of great value to attract customers. There were only a few and most of them were Asians (I was sitting on the ground level as upstairs the papasan told me it's empty). As for me it works the opposite to watch such shows especially when there was nothing else worthwhile to watch or talk to. I didn't spend longer than 30 minutes just to find out that the next shift would be of better quality. Perhaps I should go earlier next time as I know that 10 pm is quite late. It might as well be that many of them have been bar fined as there weren't that many girls on stage.

Went to Shark and the place was quite full with many girls on stage. Quality of girls was OK. Perhaps here the girls are also going into their thirties. Nothing really worth mentioning but it wasn't bad either knowing how late it was (perhaps around 11:00).

I ended up in Dollhouse again and number 77 was still around. Eventually she came and sit down with me and we had good fun. Even though she doesn't tick off many boxes in regards to my physical preferences I just liked her character and style. Her name is Mai, 25 yo I believe she was and speaks reasonable English. Has two children but I believe that I was too drunk to find out that she has any damage. She's not slim but I would not define her as being fat either. Again, she was good fun for me and she's a good kisser. I considered her to bring her with me to my hotel but then I understood that she has to bring her kid to school quite early. I might do ST with her in case I go into SC again. Perhaps I'll be going to Nana tonight and see what's available over there.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2331589]One possibility I did not mention and waited to see if anyone else has gotten the same immovable, repeated "All girls here get 3,000 baht for ST" mantra from Butterflies girls and mamasans lately is if the girls are being extorted for as much as a 1,000 baht per ST kickback to the mamasans. Sure, maybe the girl just loathed the thought of me licking her pussy for a while so much even 2,000-2,500 baht was not nearly enough payment for her to subject herself to it.
[/QUOTE]I am sure girls get to tip the mamasan, but 1000 kick back seems excessive. Still if the mamasan is critical to getting deal done or bringing the girl over, you never know. I don't allow mamasans to introduce a girl of her selection. I always tell them I will chose by myself. If we do accept, then kickbacks will be highly encouraged and only some girls maybe paying the kickbacks (probably bad girls).

I can probably research this topic further with bar Service staff girl I have known for 5 years. She is likely to tell me the truth, quietly if others not overhearing. Even the barfined girls will sometimes be open enough to say what mamasans they like and hate, and if any kickbacks get paid. Not all bar girls are habitual liars with all customers. Girls tend to know they can be straight up with me. I don't need any sweet talk bullshit. It is much more relaxing for a girl when she does not have to make stories and try to remember to be consistent. I also minimise asking of difficult questions. It is much easier for girls to just omit embarrassing information, rather than tell actual lies. That is what my GF does. She just clams up if does not want to answer. Only caught her on a lie once or twice. She can have a distorted view of reality though. That is different.

Soapy girls pay kickbacks to the Cheer-persons in order to be recommended. This means the cheer person can be recommending a totally shit girl just to get the kickback. They recommend girls in their "stable". That is why I never trust advice unless I know the person is reliable. I don't like tipping much in advance, until advice has proved to be brilliant (that is going to be quite rare), but will tip those I use who have provided reliable special info generally.

[QUOTE=Allover;2289969]Deja Vu, Kiss, Midnite, Rio, Sahara, Rawhide, and Spice Girls are owned by a guy known as the Arab. He's actually Iranian. All of his bars are known ripoffs. Avoid all of them.[/QUOTE]I was sitting outside Baccara. Just eye fucking the girls from Rio. They have some really good lookers standing in the front. Sucks, there needs to be a go-go-bar wall of shame.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2331563]I think he also owns that Cowboy 2 bar.[/QUOTE]I don't think cowboy 2 is owned by him. I know I've been there many times over the years and never been ripped off outside of the fact that the hottest girls have like 3 k barfines are something absurd like that.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2331589]One possibility I did not mention and waited to see if anyone else has gotten the same immovable, repeated "All girls here get 3,000 baht for ST" mantra from Butterflies girls and mamasans lately is if the girls are being extorted for as much as a 1,000 baht per ST kickback to the mamasans. Sure, maybe the girl just loathed the thought of me licking her pussy for a while so much even 2,000-2,500 baht was not nearly enough payment for her to subject herself to it..[/QUOTE]I took a girl from here a few months ago. The mama came over with some cardboard showing the price on it of 3 k ST and being annoying. I sent her away and was deciding if I was going to take the girl. I didn't try to talk the price down from 3 k to see as I don't really care much about the money. I ended up paying 3 k for her.

I wouldn't be surprised if the mama is trying to make that like the standard price there and that's why she's insisting on it. I couldn't imagine the hot girls would put up with being extorted for extra money as they can work at any gogo they like.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2331589]One possibility I did not mention and waited to see if anyone else has gotten the same immovable, repeated "All girls here get 3,000 baht for ST" mantra from Butterflies girls and mamasans lately is if the girls are being extorted for as much as a 1,000 baht per ST kickback to the mamasans. Sure, maybe the girl just loathed the thought of me licking her pussy for a while so much even 2,000-2,500 baht was not nearly enough payment for her to subject herself to it. [/QUOTE]Some of those girls are like that. They want 3000 whether you fuck them straightways, sideways, upside down, or just talk with them in the room. I wouldn't take it personally.

[QUOTE=Zeus9;2331535]A friend of mine went into Sahara last night and was assaulted by one of the bouncers. He was with 2 other friends. They were handed a bill of 8000 baht for 3 drinks total. They say its bullshit, and they then lower the price to 4000. They still say it's not correct, the bouncer then proceeds to punch my friend in the face around 10 times in front of a police officer. He doesn't retaliate, and still tells them the price isn't correct while profusely bleeding from his brow.The price ended up being 20 stitches at the hospital.[/QUOTE]This is like one of those stories I used to hear about Bangkok bars in the early 90's. I'm shocked to hear this type of scamming and thuggery still exists today.

News like this travels fast, however The Iranian bar owner is still in business and minted to the back teeth. Go figure.

I'm a monger just like you guys, I'm British Chinese although there is a lot of bigotry and subconscious racism on here. A lot of talk about Japanese, Korean, or other Asian guys lasting 1 minute or other derogatory remarks. Which is inherent jealousy as far as I can see. Jealousy that the girls are preferring Asian clients over farangs. Many many assumptions that this is even the case and even if it is in certain bars, everyone has a preference. It's only human nature.

I have been to Bangkok around 6 times in the past year for both business and pleasure and perhaps only had takeout twice, while I have dated civilians and had a lot of luck and perhaps have slept with around 20 or so, totally for free and after the date. Some of these are not Thai civilians but also expats, a Russian girl, a black British lady. And I can assure you I don't last 5 minutes but I do not make any deogratory remarks about any other race and I think its poor form to do so.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2331692]Some of those girls are like that. They want 3000 whether you fuck them straightways, sideways, upside down, or just talk with them in the room. I wouldn't take it personally.[/QUOTE]Of course, I suspect almost every punter in the world knows all that. The question I had was more about the girl and the two mamasans at Butterflies insisting in unison that "ALL the girls here get 3,000 baht for ST," as though it was really some new serious blanket policy that no girl dare violate, not even by so much as 500 baht. The last girl I barfined from there was 2-3 weeks ago, much better looking than the one in question here and I got an upfront honest agreement for BBFS+CIP with her fee at 2,500 baht.

But have to say, I have not seen her around the last couple of times I have been in there. lol. So maybe she has been banished from the premises for breaking the rules in all kinds of ways.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2331358]In any case, a Farang expat or tourist marrying a working girl used to be common in the past (I [I]almost[/I] ended up doing that), but with the current crop of hookers, one would have to be truly delusional to even contemplate the possibility.[/QUOTE]That was delusional even back then. Once that working girl gets old, she becomes a financial responsibility at that point. Always felt the girl who spoke the same language, can support herself, educated, and attractive was the better catch than the overseas working girl who is attractive but offered nothing else.

[QUOTE=Zeus9;2331535]A friend of mine went into Sahara last night and was assaulted by one of the bouncers. He was with 2 other friends. They were handed a bill of 8000 baht for 3 drinks total. They say its bullshit, and they then lower the price to 4000. They still say it's not correct, the bouncer then proceeds to punch my friend in the face around 10 times in front of a police officer. He doesn't retaliate, and still tells them the price isn't correct while profusely bleeding from his brow. So they let them leave without paying anything. The price ended up being 20 stitches at the hospital.

I wasn't there to see it happen, and I'm only telling a summarized version 2nd hand. But it does show that there are still potentially dangerous situations and scammy practices going on in some go go bars. Even a simple search shows that place should be avoided along with all the other Arab owned bars in Soi Cowboy. I've never had an experience like this, but the lesson I would take away from my friend's story is that doing a bit of due diligence on websites like this helps quite a bit with avoiding shit situations like that.[/QUOTE]Can't imagine a bouncer punching a customer in the face in the bar is good for business as that is a big scene to cause. Avoid the Arab bars. The bill padding is obnoxious and just plain wrong.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2331723]
But have to say, I have not seen her around the last couple of times I have been in there. lol. So maybe she has been banished from the premises for breaking the rules in all kinds of ways.[/QUOTE]You just met her Monday and it's Thursday but you haven't seen her the last couple of times you went there? So you go there every night? I'm going to have to check that place out.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2331563]I think he also owns that Cowboy 2 bar.[/QUOTE]Cannot confirm nor deny other than to say didn't experience bill padding there a little over a month ago.

[QUOTE=Youthagainst;2331714]A lot of talk about Japanese, Korean, or other Asian guys lasting 1 minute or other derogatory remarks. [/QUOTE]It's not us, it's the girls. They say 3-3-3 when referring to asian guys. That means 3 inches for 3 seconds for 3000 baht. It's just a funny thing they say.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic555;2331666]I don't think cowboy 2 is owned by him. I know I've been there many times over the years and never been ripped off outside of the fact that the hottest girls have like 3 k barfines are something absurd like that.[/QUOTE]I was in there once and they tried to charge me for 10 tequilas when I had only bought one diet coke. I had to argue with them for an hour before they let me leave.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic555;2331668]I took a girl from here a few months ago. The mama came over with some cardboard showing the price on it of 3 k ST and being annoying. I sent her away and was deciding if I was going to take the girl. I didn't try to talk the price down from 3 k to see as I don't really care much about the money. I ended up paying 3 k for her.

I wouldn't be surprised if the mama is trying to make that like the standard price there and that's why she's insisting on it. I couldn't imagine the hot girls would put up with being extorted for extra money as they can work at any gogo they like.[/QUOTE]3 K is the ST price for both Butterflies and Billboard, same owner. Geisha on the same floor is the same price. Have understood all 3 to have 700 BF with Geisha having a 1000 BF for BGs with big tits. After EihToom's last TR though, it seems BFs may be 1000 now.

[QUOTE=Youthagainst;2331714]I'm a monger just like you guys, I'm British Chinese although there is a lot of bigotry and subconscious racism on here. A lot of talk about Japanese, Korean, or other Asian guys lasting 1 minute or other derogatory remarks. Which is inherent jealousy as far as I can see. Jealousy that the girls are preferring Asian clients over farangs. Many many assumptions that this is even the case and even if it is in certain bars, everyone has a preference. It's only human nature.

I have been to Bangkok around 6 times in the past year for both business and pleasure and perhaps only had takeout twice, while I have dated civilians and had a lot of luck and perhaps have slept with around 20 or so, totally for free and after the date. Some of these are not Thai civilians but also expats, a Russian girl, a black British lady. And I can assure you I don't last 5 minutes but I do not make any deogratory remarks about any other race and I think its poor form to do so.[/QUOTE]Jealousy that the girls are preferring Asian clients over farangs.

You say jealous? Of what? Please elaborate?

BTW its ironic that you're throwing out that meaningless racism word LOL (please cite even one example! I'm guessing you can't,"subconscious"? So you can read minds on the internet? LOL.

Do you know how much overt bias is aimed at white people in just about every non-white country on the planet.

Especially in Asia? I'm guessing you know very well.

Realmenneveroverpay#.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2331839]I was in there once and they tried to charge me for 10 tequilas when I had only bought one diet coke. I had to argue with them for an hour before they let me leave.[/QUOTE]Wow. Bad things only happen to you. LOL.

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[QUOTE=Smoothy;2331835]You just met her Monday and it's Thursday but you haven't seen her the last couple of times you went there? So you go there every night? I'm going to have to check that place out.[/QUOTE]No, I was talking about the most recent girl I barfined from Butterflies 2-3 weeks ago for BBFS+CIP at 2,500 baht to her. I have not seen HER the last couple of times I stopped in the place. Actually, I rarely see the girls I barfined from there, never for as much as their initial 3,000 baht asking rate, over the past several months on second or third subsequent visits. Are they soon banished for unforgivable violations of those "ALL girls here" rules? Or maybe always barfined out before I get there because they DO violate the rules? Or some other reason? LOL Don't know.

If you really want to find the one who refused in unison insistence with two aggressive mamasans to accept one baht less than 3,000 baht to allow me to eat her pussy ST and nothing more, I believe her name was Pon, Pan or Pen. Badge number was 4XX, can only vaguely recall it was 400 something.

Look for an utterly average looking girl you might more likely peg as the second girl a more popular girl would take around to customers on the off chance one might buy her a lady drink.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2331838]It's not us, it's the girls. They say 3-3-3 when referring to asian guys. That means 3 inches for 3 seconds for 3000 baht. It's just a funny thing they say.[/QUOTE]Not sure you needed to exaggerate it further. I thought was 3 4 5 K and one of those was minutes rather than seconds.

In general, girls reckon that Japanese fuck like rabbits and cum quick, however generalisation has to be wrong. Some Farangs pop very fast too. Some Japanese can last, especially if they had alcohol and a wank beforehand.

I popped very fast maybe twice in my life. The first one, and another I just can't explain why I only lasted 15 minutes of a 30 min session. The doggy was too much for me. I would love to be like Ron Jeremy and pop any time I want, as long as can pass on having his face and body. I get very few pops actually synchronised with the girl.

I find Japanese porn funny when the guy has a short dick and therefore his stroke has to be so short but usually quick. However they do seem to get to fuck for extended periods in some movies if not too obsessed with the toys. Meanwhile the Farang porn I saw recently was allowing the guy to put just the tip of his dick in her ahole (Lela Starr) and he is supposed to stay hard, also with a very short stoke, so we can see most of his dick. What for? Dicks don't interest me. Maybe her ahole was stuffed with something to prevent the dick going in far.

I start to like StacyQ videos which are merely sensual nudes, not porn, and no men appear in them at all. They typically have girls that match my spec.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2331951]Not sure you needed to exaggerate it further. I thought was 3 4 5 K and one of those was minutes rather than seconds.
[/QUOTE]I always heard it was 5 5 5. Or ha ha ha. Which seems more logical than 3 3 3 or 3 4 5.

But what do I know? I was always 3 5 3.

[QUOTE=Pita123;2331954]I always heard it was 5 5 5. Or ha ha ha. Which seems more logical than 3 3 3 or 3 4 5.

But what do I know? I was always 3 5 3.[/QUOTE]Told me it was 3 minutes 3 cm for 3000 thb, from back in the 1980's when 3000 thb was much more than it is today.

[QUOTE=Pita123;2331954]I always heard it was 5 5 5. Or ha ha ha. Which seems more logical than 3 3 3 or 3 4 5.

But what do I know? I was always 3 5 3.[/QUOTE]I would say I am normally 3-15-2.5 Three inches for 15 seconds for 2500 baht.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2331959]I would say I am normally 3-15-2.5 Three inches for 15 seconds for 2500 baht.[/QUOTE]Would be funny, except they don't know what inches are over there. 3 cm?

[QUOTE=Pita123;2331954]I always heard it was 5 5 5. Or ha ha ha. Which seems more logical than 3 3 3 or 3 4 5.

But what do I know? I was always 3 5 3.[/QUOTE]Strange to see you suddenly pop back up, after missing so long. Did you find any fun Thai venues lately?

5 5 5 (Haa Haa Haa) is the laughing symbol used in Thai chats all the time. So to reuse that would be a bit confusing. Anyway 5 5 5 is too close to normal that makes it not particularly funny. We need to exaggerate somewhat, same as all those Irish jokes.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2331978]same as all those Irish jokes.[/QUOTE]Paddy and Seamus are sitting in a small town bar.

Paddy brags: "You know, I've had every woman in this town.

"Except me mammy, of course!

"Well then," says Seamus. "Between you and I, we've had 'them all!

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2331841]3 K is the ST price for both Butterflies and Billboard, same owner. Geisha on the same floor is the same price. Have understood all 3 to have 700 BF with Geisha having a 1000 BF for BGs with big tits. After EihToom's last TR though, it seems BFs may be 1000 now.[/QUOTE]I have always paid 1000 BF at both sometimes 1500 BF.

Going back to late 2018.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2332273]I have always paid 1000 BF at both sometimes 1500 BF.

Going back to late 2018.[/QUOTE]I think the 700 BF is for short time.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2332290]I think the 700 BF is for short time.[/QUOTE]I'm quite sure.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2332290]I think the 700 BF is for short time.[/QUOTE]I asked the jumbo mamasan why? (I forgot the big mamasans name, Melanie? BTW I'm not sure she's still around I didn't see her in butterflies or billboard for some time?

She said she's "special".

So I asked a different mamasan.

She said she's "special".

So I took her, she was exceptionally pretty (her face and body were irresistible) not to mention I only ever watched her go with white guys LOL.

BBFS and she was special.

She was a special.

Last week went to Billboard, around 10-11 pm, not crowded. It was weekday maybe that's why.

Saw a chick, looked 26-28, hot and fare. But around 5 ft 5 in. That's Little too tall threshold I avoid. Anyways, asked for her and she came to me. Voice was normal, face was normal, though her foot was big for a typical girl and showing veins. While she drank her drink, I decided she ain't a lb. BFed her and went to my place.

She went to take shower, I waited. Got the room clear up, christ it was a mess. She came with towel wrapped around, I noticed her clothes on washing machine, all her clothes. Went to kiss her, she responded eagerly. It got hot and intense in few seconds. Pushed her to wall, hold her hands above her head and went full wild with tounge. Interestingly, she used her toungue even better than I did. Learned a few things from her at that moment.

Then took the towel off, pussy was fine and boobs were big and fairly tight. After little more foreplay, went to bed. She pushed me and sat over me. I was still in my shorts. She rubbed my groin by her ass while licking, no eating, my neck. She licked it amazingly, I was almost moaning. Then she went down, kissing all upper body and then seductively kissing everything in my groin excpt dick and balls.

Now I forget to mention, I LT her not ST, so she was in no hurry. Man, she knows how to seduce. The view down below is freaking amazing. She finally kissed my balls and then took the whole thing in her mouth. Within minutes she DT-ing it.

BBBJ skill was ok, as I can feel her teeth but her passion was unmatchable. Now, before I came, I tried to pull. But nope, she was having none of it. No way she was leaving my dick, which was great but I didn't wanted to come at that time. I actually had to wrestle her out LOL.

Then it was my turn to give head. And real fun started.

She was wet as Niagara falls. She was cumming like a canal. While I was licking her, her vaginal fluid kept coming. After 5 minutes she was literally shouting. Her legs were too tight around me. I thought, 2 minutes more and then I will wear the cee. But just after few secs she squirted on my face. I was wearing t shirt and it go so wet, like in rain. She literally shooted it on my face. Now I think about it, she face-fucked me. Awesome.

I went to washroom, washed my mouth. Came back, and my bed in middle was damp. Totally wet. She was surprised too. I didn't have this kind of squriting girl for a long while. After resting, we fucked in all positions, and I comed in cee.

Gave her a 500 tip and took her line ID. She said she's new there, which seems like true as I never saw her before.

WIR?

I have many reasons to see her again, amazing kisser, pure GFE, squirts like a tap, kind of like nympho (she didn't let me sleep at night), and nice to talk to (kindof sweet).

P.S.: anyone knows where I can buy water absorbing sheet or something like this, to put under her?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2331838]It's not us, it's the girls. They say 3-3-3 when referring to asian guys. That means 3 inches for 3 seconds for 3000 baht. It's just a funny thing they say.[/QUOTE]I wonder what the girls are saying to the Asians about white guys? So fat they can't get get on top. Drink so much they can stay hard let achieve an erection and then pass out. Pay sucker prices. Always want to kiss because they cannot get girlfriend at home. Easy money from stupid farang.

Face it these girls are going to say whatever is required to boost our egos.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2332767]Last week went to Billboard, around 10-11 pm, not crowded. It was weekday maybe that's why.

Saw a chick, looked 26-28, hot and fare. But around 5 ft 5 in. That's Little too tall threshold I avoid. Anyways, asked for her and she came to me. Voice was normal, face was normal, though her foot was big for a typical girl and showing veins. While she drank her drink, I decided she ain't a lb. BFed her and went to my place.

She went to take shower, I waited. Got the room clear up, Christ it was a mess. She came with towel wrapped around, I noticed her clothes on washing machine, all her clothes. Went to kiss her, she responded eagerly. It got hot and intense in few seconds. Pushed her to wall, hold her hands above her head and went full wild with tongue. Interestingly, she used her tongue even better than I did. Learned a few things from her at that moment..[/QUOTE]I don't know what it is?

I just assume its [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url].

I'm a massive freak but I avoid this.

Simply because I don't know what it is LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2330688]I think the comparison is very non apt. I hear that AC is low on surgeries girls, where Baccara specializes in it. I would do Elsa no problem but hardly any Baccara girls. Elsa's nose is not perfect but I think we can overlook that. Is it possible she has a nose job (it does look slightly strange)?[/QUOTE]Everybody keeps using.the term AC. What does AC mean?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330208]On the average, girls there in AC are less attractive (in my opinion). I think Baccara by itself has more hot girls than all of AC.
[/QUOTE]On your 1st point: I agree and that's because Thai girls on average are more attractive than Filipinas (in my opinion). But let's be careful about using averages. Saying what you and I just said does not imply that there are not beautiful girls in the PI. There are! And it also does not imply that you might not find a more beautiful girl in a Burgos Street or Fields Ave bar than in Baccara or Soi Cowboy on any given night. You very well might. Averages (the mean) can be deceiving because in reality it is all about the top 5 to 10 percent or what is going on in the right-hand tail of the distribution statistically speaking.

On your 2nd point: I have to disagree even though I know you were exaggerating to make your case which I kind of agree with.

1) I did not see ANY really good-looking girls in Baccara Cowboy in all of April/May 2019. Not one! Back in October 2018 I saw 5 or 6 hotties there and barfined the cutest of them 3 times. Now your taste and mine may differ. I like thin upper arm, thin thigh, natural ta ta, clean cut, sexy girls, but I believe that the quality has significantly declined recently in Baccara and I don't know why.

2) Even if there were 10 really hot girls in Baccara and I assure you there are not, but if there were, I can point out at least 9 or 10 AC (Angeles City) bars out of 30 to 40 bars on the strip that have at least 1 or 2 residing hotties in each. It may feel like there is more talent in Baccara if it were still good or in a couple of bars in Nana because of the higher concentration, but I assure you that even Baccara circa 2010 or 2012 did not have as many hot girls as in all of AC then or now. It is not mathematically possible! IMHO. 555.

I will add that I am not an AC fan. That I prefer Manila over AC by a wide margin any day of the week despite the fact that Manila girls on average are twice as expensive as AC girls because I find Manila girls are more worldly, wilder, and completely unrestrained sexually speaking in addition to IMHO that they are better looking (ON AVERAGE) than AC girls. Ha Ha. And I will state further, having just been to both BKK and Manila in the last 2 weeks, that the girls in Plan B and Kojax, my 2 favorite Burgos St Go Go's stack up very nicely to the girls in any bar in BKK. Better than the talent level in Baccara currently by a wide margin for sure, competitive with the talent level in RB2, and perhaps a little less smokin' hot in quantity anyway than the number of hot girls in KC1 or Billboard, IMHO, the two best Go Go's in BKK at the present time.

But here is the thing: Thai girls and Filipinas are so radically different culturally, in personality, and sexually in bed that you really can't compare the two. It's like comparing Mangos and Papayas. Both are tasty fruits and even though you may prefer one over the other, they both are flavorful and full of vitamin C, so both are good for you. Thus all I got to say is viva la difference!

[QUOTE=Desire83;2333114]Everybody keeps using.the term AC. What does AC mean?[/QUOTE]Air conditioning, alternating current.

Angeles City, Philippines.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2330688]I think the comparison is very non apt. I hear that AC is low on surgeries girls, where Baccara specializes in it. I would do Elsa no problem but hardly any Baccara girls. Elsa's nose is not perfect but I think we can overlook that. Is it possible she has a nose job (it does look slightly strange)?[/QUOTE]The girls in AC are just fresh from the farm. They are unsophisticated. They are also dirt poor, so there is no chance they would have had any surgery. Most only last a few weeks or months before they return home.

There are some who get sponsored by a Korean or Jap and will hang around AC for longer. The most common cosmetic procedure when an AC girl gets money is teeth straightening.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2333136]On your 1st point: I agree and that's because Thai girls on average are more attractive than Filipinas (in my opinion). But let's be careful about using averages. Saying what I just said does not imply that there are not beautiful girls in the PI. There are! And it also does not imply that you might not find a more beautiful girl in a Burgos Street or Fields Ave bar than in Baccara or Soi Cowboy on any given night. You very well might. Averages (the mean) can be deceiving because in reality it is all about the top 5 to 10 percent or what is going on in the right-hand tail of the distribution statistically speaking.

On your 2nd point: I have to disagree even though I know you were exaggerating to make your case which I kind of agree with.

1) I did not see ANY really good-looking girls in Baccara Cowboy in all of April/May 2019. Not one! Back in October 2018 I saw 5 or 6 hotties there. Now your taste and mine may differ, I like thin upper arm, thin thigh, natural ta ta, clean cut, sexy girls, but I believe that the quality has significantly declined recently in Baccara and I don't know why..[/QUOTE]I don't think those in Manila are any better than AC bar girls, BTW I don't like either, BKK kills manila / ac bars all day long, I was recently in Kojak plan be bottoms et al, I was in and out of most Burgos bars on a Saturday night, I didn't see anything I wanted, I will say if you compare women in the malls of bkk, and they have so many bad ass malls, to the women in sm Clark, non hooker Filipinas are very very pretty, my theory is pretty Filipinas get normal bfs with jobs and get married.

I'm guessing the hookers in the Philippines are bottom of the barrel, the slum dwellers.

Those without better options.

Of course I'm generalizing, I'm sure there are a few outliers here and there.

I just spent 60 nights in BKK and went to ac for 120 nights, 180 consecutive nights total.

IMHO I would say the best manila / ac bars would have a very hard time competing with the most avg or even below avg BKK bar girls.

I'm just stating this based on facial / body appearance.

No other variables.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2333136]Now your taste and mine may differ. I like thin upper arm, thin thigh[/QUOTE]You are right that we may have different taste. Those skeleton girls are my pretty much my last choice. (other than girls who have had babies)

"The only two things in life that make it worth livin'
Is guitars that tune good and firm feelin' women"

You don't find many skeleton girls who feel firm like the girls who have meatier legs, arms, and boobs.

I was in Baccara the other night and I thought the talent level was excellent. In my opinion, better than Billboard. However, as you say, our tastes may differ.

I will admit that my current live-in Indo girl is one of the skeleton girls, I am sure just your type. 38kg 20 year old with smooth white skin. But that is not usually what I go for normally. She has a face I really like and is such a sweety. Given I have that at home, I normally go for bigger girls when I go out at night on my own. Even before she stayed with me, I normally went for girls with a little meat on their bones. Stomach has to be flat, but big tits, big ass and even big legs and some meat on their arms is good in my book as long as they are firm.

I only visited AC once, so I am far from an expert on the place. But the week I was there back in 2005, I saw very little talent relative to Bangkok. I don't think I saw any pretty skeleton girls there that trip. There were some stocky girls, but they were not attractive.

[QUOTE=PointyStick;2332803]I wonder what the girls are saying to the Asians about white guys? So fat they can't get get on top. Drink so much they can stay hard let achieve an erection and then pass out. Pay sucker prices. Always want to kiss because they cannot get girlfriend at home. Easy money from stupid farang.

Face it these girls are going to say whatever is required to boost our egos.[/QUOTE]Probably that we are "big size," want to "boom-boom long time," "want me to act like like girlfriend or sex movie," and want to pay "small money. ".

I will tell you where to buy water absorbing sheets if you tell me her number.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2332767]Last week went to Billboard, around 10-11 pm, not crowded. It was weekday maybe that's why.

Saw a chick, looked 26-28, hot and fare. But around 5 ft 5 in. That's Little too tall threshold I avoid. Anyways, asked for her and she came to me. Voice was normal, face was normal, though her foot was big for a typical girl and showing veins. While she drank her drink, I decided she ain't a lb. BFed her and went to my place.

She went to take shower, I waited. Got the room clear up, christ it was a mess. She came with towel wrapped around, I noticed her clothes on washing machine, all her clothes. Went to kiss her, she responded eagerly. It got hot and intense in few seconds. Pushed her to wall, hold her hands above her head and went full wild with tounge. Interestingly, she used her toungue even better than I did. Learned a few things from her at that moment.

Then took the towel off, pussy was fine and boobs were big and fairly tight. After little more foreplay, went to bed. She pushed me and sat over me. I was still in my shorts. She rubbed my groin by her ass while licking, no eating, my neck. She licked it amazingly, I was almost moaning. Then she went down, kissing all upper body and then seductively kissing everything in my groin excpt dick and balls.

Now I forget to mention, I LT her not ST, so she was in no hurry. Man, she knows how to seduce. The view down below is freaking amazing. She finally kissed my balls and then took the whole thing in her mouth. Within minutes she DT-ing it.

BBBJ skill was ok, as I can feel her teeth but her passion was unmatchable. Now, before I came, I tried to pull. But nope, she was having none of it. No way she was leaving my dick, which was great but I didn't wanted to come at that time. I actually had to wrestle her out LOL.

Then it was my turn to give head. And real fun started.

She was wet as Niagara falls. She was cumming like a canal. While I was licking her, her vaginal fluid kept coming. After 5 minutes she was literally shouting. Her legs were too tight around me. I thought, 2 minutes more and then I will wear the cee. But just after few secs she squirted on my face. I was wearing t shirt and it go so wet, like in rain. She literally shooted it on my face. Now I think about it, she face-fucked me. Awesome.

I went to washroom, washed my mouth. Came back, and my bed in middle was damp. Totally wet. She was surprised too. I didn't have this kind of squriting girl for a long while. After resting, we fucked in all positions, and I comed in cee.

Gave her a 500 tip and took her line ID. She said she's new there, which seems like true as I never saw her before.

WIR?

I have many reasons to see her again, amazing kisser, pure GFE, squirts like a tap, kind of like nympho (she didn't let me sleep at night), and nice to talk to (kindof sweet).

P.S.: anyone knows where I can buy water absorbing sheet or something like this, to put under her?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2332812]I don't know what it is?

I'm a massive freak but I avoid this.

Simply because I don't know what it is LOL.[/QUOTE]I read about it online. As per my limited knowledge, this comes from bladder. I usually avoid it too and never try to suck it in, even though online people say it's harmless, but still precaution is better than cure.

After writing the report, I met her once again and this time we sucked each other off in bathtub, it was hot and really wet.

Does anyone have any experience with using some oral gel / clams for DATY?

[QUOTE=PointyStick;2332803]I wonder what the girls are saying to the Asians about white guys? So fat they can't get get on top. Drink so much they can stay hard let achieve an erection and then pass out. Pay sucker prices. Always want to kiss because they cannot get girlfriend at home. Easy money from stupid farang.

Face it these girls are going to say whatever is required to boost our egos.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2333180]Probably that we are "big size," want to "boom-boom long time," "want me to act like like girlfriend or sex movie," and want to pay "small money. ".[/QUOTE]Something one girl out of Thermae told me is "farang dick no color". What the fuck does that mean?

[QUOTE=PointyStick;2332803]I wonder what the girls are saying to the Asians about white guys? So fat they can't get get on top. Drink so much they cant stay hard let achieve an erection and then pass out. Pay sucker prices. Always want to kiss because they cannot get girlfriend at home. Easy money from stupid farang.

Face it these girls are going to say whatever is required to boost our egos.[/QUOTE]Maybe closer to. Farang pay for sick buffalo, farang hairy and smell bad, farang drink too much so no sex and long time sleep so no pay fast, old farang no get hard so only do DATY.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2333180]Probably that we are "big size," want to "boom-boom long time," "want me to act like like girlfriend or sex movie," and want to pay "small money. ".[/QUOTE]Good thing not many blacks in BKK. Size would have a different meaning!

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2333238]Something one girl out of Thermae told me is "farang dick no color". What the fuck does that mean?[/QUOTE]Farang dicks are basically the same color as their body. From watching some Japanese porn, I have noticed that Japanese guys may have light skin on their body, but they have dark dicks. I find it disgusting, but maybe the girls like it.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2333144]
I just spent 60 nights in BKK and went to ac for 120 nights, 180 consecutive nights total.

IMHO I would say the best manila <snip> bar girls would have a very hard time competing with the most avg or even below avg BKK bar girls. I'm just stating this based on facial / body appearance. No other variables.[/QUOTE]And this is what makes it a horse race. Your personal opinion on girl quality is just as valid as mine even though it is almost the opposite.

I agree with you that BKK overall is a better place to hang out. There is little to do in MNL until the bars open. The food is much better in BKK although food in MNL is not bad and getting better all the time. And MNL is a much poorer city with higher degree of poverty & crime. I would never consider living in MNL unless I had a really good job there, but I do like the girls. I remember one night I was sitting in Plan B waiting for my girl to change her clothes. It was still kind of early and only a few customers were there. Then I noticed 7 or 8 girls were laughing, smiling, and dancing together in a choreographed way amongst themselves. It looked like they were having a good time. It was a pleasant moment and nice to watch. I can't recall when I have seen a similar event take place in a BKK or Pattaya Go Go. There were 3 or 4 girls on the stage at the time my spec. I liked what I saw. Then my girl returned looking good in her casual street clothes and we were off.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2333420]And this is what makes it a horse race. Your personal opinion on girl quality is just as valid as mine even though it is almost the opposite.

I agree with you that BKK overall is a better place to hang out. There is little to do in MNL until the bars open. The food is much better in BKK although food in MNL is not bad and getting better all the time. And MNL is a much poorer city with higher degree of poverty & crime. I would never consider living in MNL unless I had a really good job there, but I do like the girls. I remember one night I was sitting in Plan B waiting for my girl to change her clothes. It was still kind of early and only a few customers were there. Then I noticed 7 or 8 girls were laughing, smiling, and dancing together in a choreographed way amongst themselves. It looked like they were having a good time. It was a pleasant moment and nice to watch. I can't recall when I have seen a similar event take place in a BKK or Pattaya Go Go. There were 3 or 4 girls on the stage at the time my spec. I liked what I saw. Then my girl returned looking good in her casual street clothes and we were off.[/QUOTE]How much did you pay and for what kind of service? Double layered condom sex? Or BBFS? PSE? Or rated PG-13?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2333255]Farang dicks are basically the same color as their body. From watching some Japanese porn, I have noticed that Japanese guys may have light skin on their body, but they have dark dicks. I find it disgusting, but maybe the girls like it.[/QUOTE]For me, to watch a dick, other than my own, be it of any color, is disgusting.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2333473]For me, to watch a dick, other than my own, be it of any color, is disgusting.[/QUOTE]That depends. If the dick looks similar to mine, it's much easier to imagine I am the one fucking the girl.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2333476]That depends. If the dick looks similar to mine, it's much easier to imagine I am the one fucking the girl.[/QUOTE]You are assuming every one watches and enjoys porn. Some folks just do the real thing and are happy just with that.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2333180]Probably that we are "big size," want to "boom-boom long time," "want me to act like like girlfriend or sex movie," and want to pay "small money. ".[/QUOTE]I agree they say that about farang except the part about paying small money. I think farangs pay well and what many guys say on this board is not representative of what happens on the ground.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2333575]I agree they say that about farang except the part about paying small money. I think farangs pay well and what many guys say on this board is not representative of what happens on the ground.[/QUOTE]I don't know how you would know what others pay?

But I'm willing to bet.

I pay less than 99% of mongers if not 99.99999999999%,whatever they pay.

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2333243]Maybe closer to. Farang pay for sick buffalo, farang hairy and smell bad, farang drink too much so no sex and long time sleep so no pay fast, old farang no get hard so only do DATY.[/QUOTE]I asked my fav BKK 18 yo to shave my body one day.

She wouldn't, they love my hairy chest, she said Asian guys look like hairless dogs naked LOL.

She said no, men are supposed to have body hair.

I just like to shave 1-2 x per year to keep it looking fresh LOL.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2333481]You are assuming every one watches and enjoys porn. Some folks just do the real thing and are happy just with that.[/QUOTE]Uh huh. My bet is there isn't one guy on this forum who has not viewed porn. Hell, they view it on this forum itself! LOL.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2333420]And this is what makes it a horse race. Your personal opinion on girl quality is just as valid as mine even though it is almost the opposite.

I agree with you that BKK overall is a better place to hang out. There is little to do in MNL until the bars open. The food is much better in BKK although food in MNL is not bad and getting better all the time. And MNL is a much poorer city with higher degree of poverty & crime. I would never consider living in MNL unless I had a really good job there, but I do like the girls. I remember one night I was sitting in Plan B waiting for my girl to change her clothes. It was still kind of early and only a few customers were there. Then I noticed 7 or 8 girls were laughing, smiling, and dancing together in a choreographed way amongst themselves. It looked like they were having a good time. It was a pleasant moment and nice to watch. I can't recall when I have seen a similar event take place in a BKK or Pattaya Go Go. There were 3 or 4 girls on the stage at the time my spec. I liked what I saw. Then my girl returned looking good in her casual street clothes and we were off.[/QUOTE]We were discussing hunting for hookers in Manila and AC today and he compared it to dumpster diving lmao.

I can't stop laughing and that was 5 hrs ago.

Hunting hookers in PI is analogous to dumpster diving LOL.

I will say some that qualify for that warning, I will name just a few LOL.

Aladdin on walking street Atlantis, pony tails high society club Asia, and many many more.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2333575]I agree they say that about farang except the part about paying small money. I think farangs pay well and what many guys say on this board is not representative of what happens on the ground.[/QUOTE]Tourists tend to pay more, no matter where they are from. Pay well? I find that kind of a funny way of putting it. To me all of these gals are still sub-50 USD lays.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2333589]I asked my fav BKK 18 yo to shave my body one day.

She wouldn't, they love my hairy chest, she said Asian guys look like hairless dogs naked LOL.

She said no, men are supposed to have body hair.

I just like to shave 1-2 x per year to keep it looking fresh LOL.[/QUOTE]Just as many girls will say they prefer non hairy. Individual preference. Many probably have no preference. However you would be finding few guys that like a hairy muff even if is natural.

Girls like a dick and balls to not have hair if they are going to lick. Smooth is good. On other hand they do not like a 3 day growth to touch their pussy due to scratchiness. Some girls with complain they can't kiss too if the face is not shaved smooth enough. Some girls skin gets irritated much easier than others.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2333589]I asked my fav BKK 18 yo to shave my body one day.

She wouldn't, they love my hairy chest, she said Asian guys look like hairless dogs naked LOL.

She said no, men are supposed to have body hair.

I just like to shave 1-2 x per year to keep it looking fresh LOL.[/QUOTE]That is a good 1 singular experience.

What is the point of shaving off once or twice a year? That is a waste of time and does nothing for you. For some period of time, now it looks like you obviously are growing back shaved body hair once or twice a year. Seems pointless?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2333685]Girls like a dick and balls to not have hair if they are going to lick. Smooth is good.[/QUOTE]Thus my screen name.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2333589]I asked my fav BKK 18 yo to shave my body one day.

She wouldn't, they love my hairy chest, she said Asian guys look like hairless dogs naked LOL.

She said no, men are supposed to have body hair.

I just like to shave 1-2 x per year to keep it looking fresh LOL.[/QUOTE]The term Thais often use for hairy bodies or body parts is "monkey". Not sure how many Thai girls mean it as a complement. But I know some do like "monkey" bodies. Lately, I have been surprised by how many Thai girls are really into beards on men. I don't have a beard, don't want to grow one so I shave every day. But a lot of young Thai girls will drool over photos of men with beards and ask me if I would consider growing one for them, which is not what most Thai observers would have expected years ago.

However, I have not encountered one Thai girl who wishes I would let my pubic hair grow instead of keeping my package shaved and well groomed at all times.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2333685]Just as many girls will say they prefer non hairy. Individual preference. Many probably have no preference. However you would be finding few guys that like a hairy muff even if is natural.

Girls like a dick and balls to not have hair if they are going to lick. Smooth is good. On other hand they do not like a 3 day growth to touch their pussy due to scratchiness. Some girls with complain they can't kiss too if the face is not shaved smooth enough. Some girls skin gets irritated much easier than others.[/QUOTE]I've met very few Thai gals who like hairy dudes. Keeping the shaft, sack, taint, and keister shaved is a must.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2333713]I've met very few Thai gals who like hairy dudes. Keeping the shaft, sack, taint, and keister shaved is a must.[/QUOTE]I shave my crotch smoother than a baby.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2333420]And this is what makes it a horse race. Your personal opinion on girl quality is just as valid as mine even though it is almost the opposite.

I agree with you that BKK overall is a better place to hang out. There is little to do in MNL until the bars open. The food is much better in BKK although food in MNL is not bad and getting better all the time. And MNL is a much poorer city with higher degree of poverty & crime. I would never consider living in MNL unless I had a really good job there, but I do like the girls. I remember one night I was sitting in Plan B waiting for my girl to change her clothes. It was still kind of early and only a few customers were there. Then I noticed 7 or 8 girls were laughing, smiling, and dancing together in a choreographed way amongst themselves. It looked like they were having a good time. It was a pleasant moment and nice to watch. I can't recall when I have seen a similar event take place in a BKK or Pattaya Go Go. There were 3 or 4 girls on the stage at the time my spec. I liked what I saw. Then my girl returned looking good in her casual street clothes and we were off.[/QUOTE]I will have to say beyond opinion, one of us is closer to the objective truth, and I think most mongers that have been to Thailand and the PI will agree.

The quality between the 2 cannot be said to be in the same league.

Thailand has truly beautiful hookers, manila bars and ac bars are like one big junk yard.

A thrift store of used garbage if you will!! I don't think that's just opinion.

Most grown men can objectively agree on matters of beauty.

Sometimes it can be a close call.

Thailand hookers vs the PI hookers is laughable, this is not a close call.

(that said I spent many hours in sm Clark mall and saw many of the most beautiful women I've ever seen anywhere in the world.

But you will not find them hooking in AC or manila trust me, I hunted 24/7 looking for them!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2333713]keister shaved is a must.[/QUOTE]You shave your butt cheeks?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2333712]Lately, I have been surprised by how many Thai girls are really into beards on men. I don't have a beard, don't want to grow one so I shave every day. But a lot of young Thai girls will drool over photos of men with beards and ask me if I would consider growing one for them, which is not what most Thai observers would have expected years ago.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure that fad started in the USA, so I would guess the girls who do like it are well exposed to western culture. (can a Thai man even grow a beard?) Personally, I think it's ridiculous, mainly because a beard is so itchy. I actually think Major League Baseball players were the first to start it a few years ago as a superstitious thing - "I won't shave my beard until we win the world series" and it caught on as a trendy thing to do.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2333713]I've met very few Thai gals who like hairy dudes. Keeping the shaft, sack, taint, and keister shaved is a must.[/QUOTE]Do Thai chicks complain about hairs getting caught in their fake braces when they pull apart your ass cheeks and give you a rim job? I'm sure the beauty parlors in BKK could make a killing by waxing farang ass cracks.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2333602]Uh huh. My bet is there isn't one guy on this forum who has not viewed porn. Hell, they view it on this forum itself! LOL.[/QUOTE]Have I watched porn? Yes. Do I enjoy it? No.

Subtle difference I guess. Different folks. Different strokes.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2333589]I asked my fav BKK 18 yo to shave my body one day.

She wouldn't, they love my hairy chest, she said Asian guys look like hairless dogs naked LOL.

She said no, men are supposed to have body hair.

I just like to shave 1-2 x per year to keep it looking fresh LOL.[/QUOTE]Till a few years back I knew this girl named Mint in Pattaya who used to work at a LK Metro gogo who did an expert job of shaving. The regular shave and then the full body job. Sadly I have not been to Thailand in 2 years now so I have to settle for an expensive spa treatment in Singapore.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2333819]I'm pretty sure that fad started in the USA, so I would guess the girls who do like it are well exposed to western culture. (can a Thai man even grow a beard?) Personally, I think it's ridiculous, mainly because a beard is so itchy. I actually think Major League Baseball players were the first to start it a few years ago as a superstitious thing - "I won't shave my beard until we win the world series" and it caught on as a trendy thing to do.[/QUOTE]In general I agree with your theory although there are several claims to the origin of this trend. One story goes that it started in 2003 in Australia where men grew their moustaches and beards in the month of November to express their support and solidarity towards other men suffering from various forms of cancer common in men. Like prostrate or testicular. And it's called Movember. Does this happen in America?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2333819]I'm pretty sure that fad started in the USA, so I would guess the girls who do like it are well exposed to western culture. (can a Thai man even grow a beard?) Personally, I think it's ridiculous, mainly because a beard is so itchy. I actually think Major League Baseball players were the first to start it a few years ago as a superstitious thing - "I won't shave my beard until we win the world series" and it caught on as a trendy thing to do.[/QUOTE]Well beards for men are like push-up bras for women. If a guy has a weak chin, it may be worth growing a beard to cover up half his face.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2333602]Uh huh. My bet is there isn't one guy on this forum who has not viewed porn. Hell, they view it on this forum itself! LOL.[/QUOTE]Point is even though everyone have watched porn, but not everyone enjoys it.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2333865]In general I agree with your theory although there are several claims to the origin of this trend. One story goes that it started in 2003 in Australia where men grew their moustaches and beards in the month of November to express their support and solidarity towards other men suffering from various forms of cancer common in men. Like prostrate or testicular. And it's called Movember. Does this happen in America?[/QUOTE]I don't have a beard or stache and never liked them but my opinion has changed of them because, I was listening to npr one day whilst driving (you can google this) that maybe around the late 1880's 1890's?

There was a movement against facial hair from feminists, because it highlighted differences between men and women, and something women could not do.

Now I've seen beards facial hair become popular amongst the hipster crowd on the left (10-15 yrs ago) in response there was a political reaction from men on the right (at least in the USA) in the last several yrs.

I believe its a political statement for many, right wing and proud, anti-feminist and proud?

If I see a man in business attire in an airport or walking down the street in an american city I'm assuming hes flouting his political affiliation? BTW the bigger the beard, I'm guessing the more conservative.

These are generalizations there are almost 8 bn people worldwide, I'm sure there are outliers in every direction.

[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/12/beards-why/422157/[/URL]

So if feminists don't like them? Maybe all anti-feminists should have one.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2333911]Point is even though everyone have watched porn, but not everyone enjoys it.[/QUOTE]Most members are into sex way more than the avg man? (and the avg man probably watches porn everyday somehow, especially the very religious).

So I surmise that between mongering sessions most members use / view porn?

Is that a fair guess? LOL.

I'm not saying all.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2333580]I don't know how you would know what others pay?

But I'm willing to bet.

I pay less than 99% of mongers if not 99.99999999999%,whatever they pay.[/QUOTE]I've noticed that with older guys in general paying the price they always paid for decades.

As a 27 yo American, I spent an entire week at thermaes a month ago and gladly paid 2500-3000 without haggling.

The other 20-30 yo guys I hung out with (mostly Canadian and American) did the same. I guess cheap is relative given countries of origin and changing economies. When you were our age, there were probably old guys paying sub 500 for top notch girls.

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2333793]You shave your butt cheeks?[/QUOTE]Not cheeks. Keister = a##hole.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2333823]Do Thai chicks complain about hairs getting caught in their fake braces when they pull apart your ass cheeks and give you a rim job? I'm sure the beauty parlors in BKK could make a killing by waxing farang ass cracks.[/QUOTE]No hair on the this man's hole. Smooth as can be.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2333726]I shave my crotch smoother than a baby.[/QUOTE]And the gals appreciate it.

Hi everyone,

Firstly I would just like to thank everyone for the great reports and general information you've all given on the forum. I've read back so many pages and caught up again then go back another 50. Yeah I have no life.

Just a bit of advise if anyone can give me some pointers.

I've traveled all over Europe but not really done long haul before and it will be my first trip to Thailand.

I've planned to fly into Bangkok from either Birmingham or London on 30th or 31 of October just as we crash out of the EU so great planning just as the pound might plummet. I'll most likely do the 30th so I can change plenty of pounds the day before we actually leave.

The plan is 4 Nights Bangkok, 8 Nights Pattaya and then back to Bangkok for 5 Nights.

I was just wondering when is the best time to actually book the flights and Hotels and which would be the best flights to go for.

I have an idea after reading one here which hotels I'll probably be booking in Bangkok.

Should I just book everything now 5 months ahead or wait closer to the time for a better deal. The ones I've picked are between 2500-3500 baht depending if I actually book and pay now without the cancellation option through Agoda. I'm 99% doing the dates.

Pattaya not so much bothered as the one I've chosen is a bargain of about 1200.

Right now the flights are coming up around £500 direct from London and about the same from Birmingham but with a small layover. Travel wise it's about the same really as I'm nearly 3 hours from London and 45 minutes from Birmingham and when getting back home that 45 minutes sounds much better then the 3 hours from London. Would Direct be the best way to go and just deal with the 3 hours traveling when getting back.

Any info would be much appreciated.

I'll not really be able to give anything back to the forum till I'm on the ground, so if anyone who is living out there and would like something bringing over that you can't get you hands on or maybe want to try before paying the packaging maybe before buying bulk, just so long as it's legal and not too big I don't mind spending a few quid and bringing some stuff with me and passing it on for free as a payback for all the good, maybe bad advise and info I've read these past few months. I'm already thing the cost will not add up to what I'll have saved from reading on here so thanks again.

That sounded way smaller in my head than it actually looks after typing it all out.

G.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2333923]Most members are into sex way more than the avg man? (and the avg man probably watches porn everyday somehow, especially the very religious).

So I surmise that between mongering sessions most members use / view porn?

Is that a fair guess? LOL.

I'm not saying all.[/QUOTE]Yup. Most love porn, the reason why we hear term "pse" a lot.

Though, personally I never liked it.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2333911]Point is even though everyone have watched porn, but not everyone enjoys it.[/QUOTE]I have always enjoyed porn, especially girl on girl.

Started watching pron in teens and buying wank mags.

Used to think it was the thing, of course.

Now I watch what I prefer to call erotica. Real couples, or non-actors, fucking. I can't stand the sight of the stuff I used to get off on- inflated, bronzed Valley bimbo-types, repeating the same inanities and fake groaning. So unconvincing. Now I can watch and enjoy amateur homemade stuff with real and often very attractive couples. Though even with this the porn film tropes slip in (sometimes: 'oh yes!, Oh God!' repeated ad infinitum. Switches me right off.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2333986]I have always enjoyed porn, especially girl on girl.[/QUOTE]But can I ask the difference between girl on girl and guy on guy?

I'm guessing maybe girl on girl is a feminist plot.

To program men to fantasize about being deleted from the equation, whilst paying lesbian actresses and directors to do so.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2333986]I have always enjoyed porn, especially girl on girl.[/QUOTE]I never enjoyed porn, it's boring and always the same history, a cock entering vagina or anus. But I like jerking off and comming all over the girl. girl on girl porn is more boring. But I like to watch girl on girl in person.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2334016]I never enjoyed porn, it's boring and always the same history[/QUOTE]Always the same story? I guess you've never watched a Max Hardcore porn video. There's no way you can think that one is the same story as the average porn.

I like watching the Japanese ones where the guys grope girls on buses and trains.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334023]Always the same story? I guess you've never watched a Max Hardcore porn video. There's no way you can think that one is the same story as the average porn.

I like watching the Japanese ones where the guys grope girls on buses and trains.[/QUOTE]I must agree that Japanese porn where one guy is groping a hot young office girl on the crowded train and the next thing you know 20 guys are gangbanging her is.

Must see TV.

Hes weak in comparison to max but the best active director would have to be mike adriano of [URL]nympho.com[/URL] fame.

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2333692]That is a good 1 singular experience.

What is the point of shaving off once or twice a year? That is a waste of time and does nothing for you. For some period of time, now it looks like you obviously are growing back shaved body hair once or twice a year. Seems pointless?[/QUOTE]I cycle a lot, when I'm about to hit my most active periods, I like to shave my legs arms torso, the hair and sweat on a tight shirt just makes me uncomfortable.

Also all hair doesn't grow evenly, so 2 x a year seems to be ideal.

I think it looks good when its growing in, kinda like guys with hair on their face.

Its not stubble and its not bare and its not a full beard.

It almost looks ideal, I would do it more often but I don't like the mess.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334023]Always the same story? I guess you've never watched a Max Hardcore porn video. There's no way you can think that one is the same story as the average porn.

I like watching the Japanese ones where the guys grope girls on buses and trains.[/QUOTE]I am not lucky to live in the USA. No time for porn movies. Why watch porn movies when I can fuck girls everyday and watch them in person. Every porn is the same story ( how cock meets pussy and/or anus and how cock splits milk ). I am now watching netflix and later will get ready to fuck some bitches. I will maybe get HSV today when getting sucked without condom. If I get it, I should see a skin specialist and get stigmatized. I completely forgot I am a skin specialist and live in a country where sex is not stigmatized but finally, I am really lucky not to live in the USA. I watched many porn movies when I was adolescent. I liked porn movies but now I am retired from porn movies.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2334059]I am not lucky to live in the USA. No time for porn movies. Why watch porn movies when I can fuck girls everyday and watch them in person. Every porn is the same story ( how cock meets pussy and/or anus and how cock splits milk ). I am now watching netflix and later will get ready to fuck some bitches. I will maybe get HSV today when getting sucked without condom. If I get it, I should see a skin specialist and get stigmatized. I completely forgot I am a skin specialist and live in a country where sex is not stigmatized but finally, I am really lucky not to live in the USA. I watched many porn movies when I was adolescent. I liked porn movies but now I am retired from porn movies.[/QUOTE]I feel feminists just have found ways to drive up the sticker price, exponentially higher than in most / all non western countries.

Pussy is a commodity like everything else in this hyper capitalist economy.

You say stigmatize I say price manipulation!!

Porn is one of the western males options to reduce demand and thereby reduce the sticker price.

Econ 101 supply vs demand=price.

At least that's how it should work.

As long as there aren't any desperate duans around willfully destroying the basic fundamentals of economics.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334023]Always the same story? I guess you've never watched a Max Hardcore porn video. There's no way you can think that one is the same story as the average porn.

I like watching the Japanese ones where the guys grope girls on buses and trains.[/QUOTE]Yes me too but I have to admit making your own porn with a girl who knows what to do and takes direction well is better than than watching others and serves as a permanent, continuous pleasure graphic in every sordid detail. I'll have to leave instruction to burn them after I die.

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2333991]Started watching pron in teens and buying wank mags.

Used to think it was the thing, of course.

Now I watch what I prefer to call erotica. Real couples, or non-actors, fucking. I can't stand the sight of the stuff I used to get off on- inflated, bronzed Valley bimbo-types, repeating the same inanities and fake groaning. So unconvincing. Now I can watch and enjoy amateur homemade stuff with real and often very attractive couples. Though even with this the porn film tropes slip in (sometimes: 'oh yes!, Oh God!' repeated ad infinitum. Switches me right off.[/QUOTE]Exactly my love in porn as well.

[QUOTE=Gmikel;2333959]Hi everyone,

Firstly I would just like to thank everyone for the great reports and general information you've all given on the forum. I've read back so many pages and caught up again then go back another 50. Yeah I have no life.

Just a bit of advise if anyone can give me some pointers.

I've traveled all over Europe but not really done long haul before and it will be my first trip to Thailand.

I've planned to fly into Bangkok from either Birmingham or London on 30th or 31 of October just as we crash out of the EU so great planning just as the pound might plummet. I'll most likely do the 30th so I can change plenty of pounds the day before we actually leave.

The plan is 4 Nights Bangkok, 8 Nights Pattaya and then back to Bangkok for 5 Nights.

I was just wondering when is the best time to actually book the flights and Hotels and which would be the best flights to go for.

I have an idea after reading one here which hotels I'll probably be booking in Bangkok.

Should I just book everything now 5 months ahead or wait closer to the time for a better deal. The ones I've picked are between 2500-3500 baht depending if I actually book and pay now without the cancellation option through Agoda. I'm 99% doing the dates..[/QUOTE]1) Change your Pounds in Thailand, or use an ATM (I can't imagine the exchange rate in Birmingham is even remotely favorable). 2) It's low season and hotels should be available and inexpensive. 3) If you have time, take the bus from Ekkamai to Pattaya. About 3 quid. 4) have fun!

[QUOTE=GreenToad;2334110]1) Change your Pounds in Thailand, or use an ATM (I can't imagine the exchange rate in Birmingham is even remotely favorable). 2) It's low season and hotels should be available and inexpensive. 3) If you have time, take the bus from Ekkamai to Pattaya. About 3 quid. 4) have fun![/QUOTE]Yes have to agree. Never ever change Pounds to Thai money in your home country. You (people in general) will get ripped off badly. You can change some at the Thai airport on arrival, and find out great exchange locations in Thailand. You can also pull Thai money from an ATM on your England bank account. Carrying large amounts of cash is also not recommended. I have never been stupid enough to do that. I have never been robbed but did lose a wallet once.

30 Oct is a Wed I think. Traffic will be at its worst in the morning, so not great to arrive at 7 am. (5 am is better you might manage to miss the peak) Hotel check in is at 2 PM anyway. Arrive in the evening is better or on a Sunday. Thailand has all day traffic jams except Sunday and evening is better.

To be frank GMikel, your concerns are things on little consequence. You should be focussing on other things, plus its a long time till you trip. Newbies have to learn by mistakes but can learn from others. You are a target waiting to be ripped off by taxi drivers and people on the street. Don't trust anyone that approaches you. I refuse to even speak to Thais that come to me offering help. Since if I want help, I can go information desk, etc. Yes Thais can seem very friendly. Too friendly. They don't seem to be able to mind their own business. Honest people in Thailand won't be coming to you. They will be minding their own business. So there is the first lesson.

No. 2 Watch out for ladyboys that can be very beautiful and look like real girls. See the Identifying LBs thread.

You will want to use metered taxis unless you know the correct price. You should get a SIM card for your smartphone at the airport, including internet data. You will need Google Maps for sure. You should make sure you know where your destination is on Google Maps, and the best route to get there. That way you can tell if the taxi is taking you too far away fro the best routes. Direct routes are not always possible but Google knows.

You will have communication problems. Thais and Westerners pronounce words very differently. Show taxi driver where you going on the Map. Hope he can read a Map. Be aware he might not understand if you verbally tell him the place name. Write it down is probably a lot better.

If you are going to go to bars, read about those recommended. We hear reports about dangerous rip off bars.

Book your first Hotel in advance for a night or two. Don't book too far in advance. Stay flexible so you can change your plans easily. When I first came to Thailand we did not have internet bookings so I arrived with no Hotels booked and showed up to the desk. Fortunately that is not necessary any more.

October is the later part of the rainy season. Hotels not likely to be fully booked. Fortunately it is not the hot season (getting cooler).

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334023]I like watching the Japanese ones where the guys grope girls on buses and trains.[/QUOTE]Whatever your fantasies. Its so much bullshit. I hope it is not training you to attempt the same. We did have bars where you could do all sorts of things to girls in Bangkok in "public" (well at least indoors but with other customers hanging around). I have tried it. The thrill of others watching is a bit mythical in my opinion. However I know some find it more exciting. Maybe they imagine they are porn stars regardless of hung or not. In past I knew a hot black girl who would only be excited to fuck me if there was a large risk of being caught. In a bedroom, she had no interest. I thought she was pretty weird. So I allow for weird attitudes.

The bullshit part portrayed is molesting girls that are supposedly unwilling, but somehow change their mind and get into it. Thai girls don't do bad things in public unless they are drunk or drugged. LBs maybe would. Normal Thai girls like to be naughty behind closed doors.

Actually I find most Japanese porn to be pretty unexciting, especially pixelated stuff. I like some Japanese girls, well enough.

I am weird in that I prefer porn with extremely beautiful girls with fabulous natural bodies and naked (not taking too long to get undressed), and slim, big tits just a bonus. BBBJs don't do anything for me in porn at all, and ass fucking nothing special, and splooge cum shots also of no interest. I guess I am into pretty arty porn, more about how delicious hot girls can look. I do like pretty pussy too. I like StasyQ with girls having great bodies (no guys), but the weakness is the girls have clothes on for far too long.

Watching porn is largely a function of how much we are missing out in real life. While in Thailand, there is hardly ever a need to wank. Watch porn only if really deprived I think.

In 1991 was great that you could find a bar where you could undress and molest several girls at a time in a fairly dark bar like the Kangaroo Club, and would not cost you an arm and a leg. I am sure can still be done now, but places are more keen to use the back room, and will cost a lot more. I would prefer out in the bright lighting. Ha ha. I also think the girls available are a lot more ugly (or fat) than in 1991. So Hard to find enough "doable" slutty girls.

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2333991]Started watching pron in teens and buying wank mags.

Used to think it was the thing, of course.

Now I watch what I prefer to call erotica. Real couples, or non-actors, fucking. I can't stand the sight of the stuff I used to get off on- inflated, bronzed Valley bimbo-types, repeating the same inanities and fake groaning. So unconvincing. Now I can watch and enjoy amateur homemade stuff with real and often very attractive couples. Though even with this the porn film tropes slip in (sometimes: 'oh yes!, Oh God!' repeated ad infinitum. Switches me right off.[/QUOTE]Yeah home made videos are very hot usually.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334023]Always the same story? I guess you've never watched a Max Hardcore porn video. There's no way you can think that one is the same story as the average porn.

I like watching the Japanese ones where the guys grope girls on buses and trains.[/QUOTE]I have seen some "well made" porn flicks, but it was just for the sake of it. In the end "story" was pretty much the same (BTW never seen this max stuff).

Like synergies mentioned, porn is useless in Thailand, unless someone has rare fetishes which are hard to achieve in real.

Even euro porn is heading the same way as USA porn. Though the women remain very beautiful, they are usually made to look like glamazons. Tall thin beautiful makeup and perfect breasts.

Although I find some porn interesting, my favorites are the semiamateurs on Asian street meat or when I want to mix it up the erotica on Netflix does the job.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2334138]Yeah home made videos are very hot usually.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Supmam;2334160]Even euro porn is heading the same way as USA porn. Though the women remain very beautiful, they are usually made to look like glamazons. Tall thin beautiful makeup and perfect breasts.
[/QUOTE]For many years Euro porn was superior to American porn (for me), and quite different. Perhaps too much emphasis on anal. I did dislike hairy pussy in the early days. "Tall thin beautiful makeup and perfect breasts" might have been common in euro porn, but was American porn had a lot of muscley buxome milfs with enormous sillies. Overly big girls for my taste, e. G. Christy Canyon types. Big ass was also an American specialty I think. Quite ugly girls were all too frequent. Georgina Spelvin, Linda Lovelace, Brandi Love, Nina Hartley (not doable). Girls that started out good looking but became horrible with surgeries was common. Thin girls with perfect breasts was a rarity in American porn in my view. American porn in old days also had too much emphasis on the guys being very musclebound and having long blond hair (thinking they were good looking). Maybe American porn has changed, I have not really stayed up with it.

It is hard to imagine Euro porn copying American. Indian guys like buxom women of course and don't like skinny girls that I like.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2334134]Whatever your fantasies. Its so much bullshit. I hope it is not training you to attempt the same.

The bullshit part portrayed is molesting girls that are supposedly unwilling, but somehow change their mind and get into it. [/QUOTE]Seems you know the plots of those movies pretty well.

To even think it possible for that type of media to train a grown man to act like that suggests that perhaps you yourself may possibly be susceptible to be effected by such media.

Of course it's bullshit. Who would watch those videos if they showed reality of a guy riding a bus and just looking at the girl while she ignores him?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2334171]Overly big girls for my taste, e. G. Christy Canyon types.[/QUOTE]Christy is my all time favorite porn star. Unbelievable body and extremely sexy face. Her meaty pussy is awesome.

But that's why they have different types of women in those videos. We all have different tastes.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334176]To even think it possible for that type of media to train a grown man to act like that suggests that perhaps you yourself may possibly be susceptible to be effected by such media.
[/QUOTE]Affected, no. I have seen the odd one or two bus porn videos. Probably did not finish them. More out of curiosity, and I do find them somewhat funny. Not erotic at all. So I admit to having searched for sex in public type videos and watched a few.

I watched "Milo and the Box of Wonders" and that was exciting for me. That she could just stand and let various guys grope her pussy was slightly weird. Also nude interviewer Jeny Smith, and "Girls Nude at Disco". However I prefer glamour perfect slim girl nude models usually. Nudist videos are useless because the girls are not acting sexy. When younger my ex wife and I were part time nudist holiday makers. So just a nude girl is not enough, she has to act sexy too. I once attended a new year's eve party dancing with naked women at nudist holiday camp, but wasn't sexy.

Here is a link to Milo and the Box:
[url]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5945f5332f720[/url]

Milo on the bus is nice too in another video. She has a great ass for me.

I am always someone who likes to finger pretty pussy, and lick and suck and fuck.
I also like skinny girls grinding on me in cowgirl to get themselves off.
I have fucked in public, but found it was best I ignored the spectators and just concentrated on the girl to be able to stay excited.
I was at venues where the spectators were obviously voyeurs and wanted to watch, so not at all like the bus porn.
In Star of Light the girl unfortunately wanted to fuck in the bar for only 10 minutes max, so I got no cum I think. Wasn't that memorable.
Kangaroo bar in 1991 with maybe 5 girls playing with me was better. Did not matter so much if all were pretty when you have 5. One with a nice face,
one with huge tits and a yummy pussy, etc. Fingers in many pussies. Dick in a few mouths, etc. Tag team BBBJ

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334177]Christy is my all time favorite porn star. Unbelievable body and extremely sexy face. Her meaty pussy is awesome.

But that's why they have different types of women in those videos. We all have different tastes.[/QUOTE]I was never attracted to Christy although probably watched no porn in the era she was in her prime, porn like that was illegal in my country. By the time xxx was allowed Traci Lords was the new big star.

In these pics we can see Christies attractions, I doubt you noticed her face at all.

Compared to Jenna in one pic, Jenna is obviously prettier, although has the age advantage. In later years, I could swear Jenna had been murdered and replaced by another girl not that similar. Could it just have been age, surgeries, and drugs? I was always trying to spot her famous thigh tattoo to see if tat was exactly the same, since I just could not believe was the same Jenna Jamieson.

Pictured with Nina Hartley we see just how ugly Nina was. Had amazingly horrible sillies as well.

Pictured with Randy West. He was an enigma. Was the only male porn star in American Porn with a small dick (must have been 5 inches only). They must have thought he was handsome. Ha ha. Hated to see Randy in porn. Never exciting. Jaime Gillis with Annette Haven or Traci Lords and her boy star (can't remember his name) worked okay For me. In those days I had a wife that fucked once per month, so I needed some porn badly. Ha ha. Now I have a hot GF, porn is mainly for times away or if she is on her period.

For really early porn, I preferred French because they had hotter looking girls, e. G. Bridgette Lahaie, Marilyn Jess, but pussy hair was a big turn off. In later years , Anita Blond. These days I like little girls e.g. Apolonia Lapiedra, Janice Griffiths. Big tits not important for me, but I certainly can like them, e.g. Kendra Roll, I probably don't have a single favourite porn star with sillies, although Nichole Aniston I would still watch due to her magnificent pussy. Lana Rhodes was great once but ass seems to be growing too much, with implants?

I like Thai girls pretty much similar to pornstars I like, just happen to have slanty eyes, and maybe darker skin. If in real life we end up with girls with implants too often, but in porn, we don't have to tolerate it. I am influenced by porn for sure. I got used to looking at pretty slim girls with fabulous natural bodies. Now in mongering I want the same. I am not trying to copy acts I see in porn because they are too contrived and silly, or sometimes just ugly and about degradation. I just want girls that are princess beauties, ideally, and then if they can do GFE and fuck with enthusiasm, I am happy. I keep thinking to go to a low class bar, and do raunchy acts with multiple girls in public or in good lighting at least, but if I get there, I can't find girls doable, or even worth molesting sometimes. If the girl wants to go off into a dark corner and still have an uncomfortable experience, I can't see any plus side to that.

[QUOTE=Gmikel;2333959]Hi everyone,

Firstly I would just like to thank everyone for the great reports and general information you've all given on the forum. I've read back so many pages and caught up again then go back another 50. Yeah I have no life.

Just a bit of advise if anyone can give me some pointers.

I've traveled all over Europe but not really done long haul before and it will be my first trip to Thailand.

I've planned to fly into Bangkok from either Birmingham or London on 30th or 31 of October just as we crash out of the EU so great planning just as the pound might plummet. I'll most likely do the 30th so I can change plenty of pounds the day before we actually leave.

The plan is 4 Nights Bangkok, 8 Nights Pattaya and then back to Bangkok for 5 Nights.

I was just wondering when is the best time to actually book the flights and Hotels and which would be the best flights to go for.

I have an idea after reading one here which hotels I'll probably be booking in Bangkok.

Should I just book everything now 5 months ahead or wait closer to the time for a better deal. The ones I've picked are between 2500-3500 baht depending if I actually book and pay now without the cancellation option through Agoda. I'm 99% doing the dates..[/QUOTE]'They' (the industry folk) say the optimum time to buy long haul flights is around 10 weeks out, possibly excepting peak periods. I too am always on the lookout for lowest prices. Subscribe to skyscanner flight alerts for price changes for your chosen dates, and check the matrix airfare search (sometimes different result are thrown up by these two, with some airlines excluded from one or the other) [URL]http://matrix.itasoftware.com/[/URL]. 500 quid seems OK for the dates and airports you specify, though it could come down. Generally, if you're happy with it, I'd book it.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2334069]I feel feminists just have found ways to drive up the sticker price, exponentially higher than in most / all non western countries.

Pussy is a commodity like everything else in this hyper capitalist economy.

You say stigmatize I say price manipulation!!

Porn is one of the western males options to reduce demand and thereby reduce the sticker price.

Econ 101 supply vs demand=price.

At least that's how it should work.

As long as there aren't any desperate duans around willfully destroying the basic fundamentals of economics.[/QUOTE]It's always about money, in western countries, women buy their own didlo to please themselves. You know now they want didlos that don't look like cocks. Sex is not healthy that's why it's safer to jerk off while watching porns LOOL. Porn is for adolescents that want to discover their sexual organs. Sex is taboo today. I can't stand feminism and religious parts. I lived in the USA, it's the worst country when it comes to sex followed by western Europe. Porn is always the same history. Now pussy is gold in the USA. You can see but you can't touch it. Ugly and unatural women in the porn indistry, they are photoshoped. I watched too many porns when I was adolescent. I moved on. Porns are good if you are in a country where you can't have sex everyday, the USA or Western country (France, The UK, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, Germany etc).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2334212]


Pictured with Nina Hartley we see just how ugly Nina was. Had amazingly horrible sillies as well.

.[/QUOTE]She is an ugly feminist, Do you mean she is no more ugly? She has always been ugly. She is not natural and photoshoped like most porn stars. Porn stars are very ugly when you them waking up and without make up.

[QUOTE=Gmikel;2333959]
I've planned to fly into Bangkok from either Birmingham or London on 30th or 31 of October just as we crash out of the EU so great planning just as the pound might plummet. I'll most likely do the 30th so I can change plenty of pounds the day before we actually leave.[/QUOTE]Usually you get a better rate in Thailand, but as soon as it becomes clear that the Brexit is near and inevitable it might indeed be wise to change pounds in the UK before it plummets.

[QUOTE=Gmikel;2333959]
Right now the flights are coming up around 500 direct from London and about the same from Birmingham but with a small layover. Travel wise it's about the same really as I'm nearly 3 hours from London and 45 minutes from Birmingham and when getting back home that 45 minutes sounds much better then the 3 hours from London. Would Direct be the best way to go and just deal with the 3 hours traveling when getting back.[/QUOTE]I would take the flight from Birmingham with the small layover if I were you. Because you will be exhausted after the long haul flight.
For the same reason I always stay in Bangkok the first couple of nights. I used to go to Pattaya straight away but the bus ride was killing me after the long flight.

[QUOTE=Gmikel;2333959]
I've traveled all over Europe but not really done long haul before and it will be my first trip to Thailand.

I've planned to fly into Bangkok from either Birmingham or London on 30th or 31 of October just as we crash out of the EU so great planning just as the pound might plummet. I'll most likely do the 30th so I can change plenty of pounds the day before we actually leave.

The plan is 4 Nights Bangkok, 8 Nights Pattaya and then back to Bangkok for 5 Nights.

Any info would be much appreciated.
[/QUOTE]Hi GM,

I would book the flights first. Up to you whether a direct from LHR (or LGW?) or a layover included from BHX makes economic sense, but as Mogwai says a short layover breaks up the flight and allows you to stretch your legs a bit before the second part of the flight and probably helps combat jetlag at the far end. Consider flying through a Euro hub also (FRA, AMS, HEL, VIE, ZRH, CDG) or IST as these often have good deals. Gulf carriers have a nice split of flights about 6 hours each leg too. Use Skyscanner or Google Flights to investigate.

I'd stay in Bangkok for a couple of nights on arrival also, so much better to experience the culture shock of Thailand all at once in the big city (I envy you here, the first few days are truly magical).

Hotels will always be available and the rack rate price does not change that much over time (but some have high and low season prices, especially in Pattaya). I use both Hotels dot com and Bookings dot com, there are always price differences between the two sites and I always check both before making a booking. Useful to check out the hotel's own website too as these are often cheaper than the global booking sites, but careful here as they will most likely charge you in Thai Baht rather than Pounds Sterling and the rate will change as well as your bank adding on fees for Credit Card. Paying upfront without the option to cancel is never advised unless you have firm dates confirmed, and I think you need flexibility being a new guy in town.

Both hotel sites I use have a useful map view where you can see all available hotels' prices and location in your preferred area.

Foreign exchange is better on the ground in Thailand than in UK, depending on where you buy. In BKK airport you can find ripoff rates and better rates, so go downstairs to the Airport Rail Link entrance level where there are several booths where you can compare prices, only exchange a couple of hundred in the arrivals area if you don't have the time to go downstairs. Rates in Pattaya are probably best of all (Yellow TT exchange Booths dotted around the city) and there are several good options in Bangkok too (SuperRich, Vasu, and a really good small booth above Thermae entrance).

Brexit rates? Hmmm. Who is to say whether or not the deadline will be extended.
Here's a game to play. Buy £500 worth of Baht in your local currency exchange now and note the rate. Buy £500 when you get to Thailand in the better exchanges and look at the difference. You cannot do anything else now, currency is a fickle market and you and I have no influence on the way it goes. Closer to the deadline for Brexit should give you an idea of trending. You could cut your losses by half by hedging now or you could lose more if the Pound strengthens.

Or suck it up and just pay the going rate in October.

The new referendum could reverse everything and the Pound could go through the roof relative to the Baht.
Pig Squadron Leader over and out.

Hi all champions,

I need your help. I am planning to visit Bangkok in first week of July for business meeting.

Can you share any good contact of age 20 to 35 who can satisfy my desires. Last time I had not that good experience. Hence I decided to take your help. I wanted to try skinny, petite, girls and MILF types.

Also share info about pricing / cost.

Thanks in advance.

Took a cute Thermaes gal home couple nights back. 3 k for ST and she looked like actress Jenna Coleman. Win win.

[QUOTE=EdSetra;2334272]Hi GM,

Hotels will always be available and the rack rate price does not change that much over time (but some have high and low season prices, especially in Pattaya). I use both Hotels dot com and Bookings dot com, there are always price differences between the two sites and I always check both before making a booking. Useful to check out the hotel's own website too as these are often cheaper than the global booking sites, but careful here as they will most likely charge you in Thai Baht rather than Pounds Sterling and the rate will change as well as your bank adding on fees for Credit Card. Paying upfront without the option to cancel is never advised unless you have firm dates confirmed, and I think you need flexibility being a new guy in town.

Both hotel sites I use have a useful map view where you can see all available hotels' prices and location in your preferred area.[/QUOTE]HotelsCombined and Trivago consolidate hundreds of online TAs so you don't need to go to each one to check. They have the same map search feature as well.

[QUOTE=DCups;2334088]Yes me too but I have to admit making your own porn with a girl who knows what to do and takes direction well is better than than watching others and serves as a permanent, continuous pleasure graphic in every sordid detail. I'll have to leave instruction to burn them after I die.[/QUOTE]Although I never did a porn with Christy Canyon I have a Polaroid of her and me. I did do customer porn with many others though such as Chessie Moore, Kayla Kleevage and Minka who are all super busty man-pleasers. Kayla and Minka live in Las Vegas and you can still do them at a premium price. Chessie would regularly film and fuck customers for free if you joined her fan club but she is retired now. The Market Street Cinema in San Francisco used to feature the big bust porn stars and there was a secret room upstairs you could go and take pictures or videos and have some fun. I've had at least a half dozen others whose star names I do not recall but this was in the 90's before I started traveling overseas.

I bought my plane ticket, I plan to come to Thailand on October 5th for 6 weeks, How common is anal sex in Bangcock?

[QUOTE=DCups;2334346]Although I never did a porn with Christy Canyon I have a Polaroid of her and me.[/QUOTE]I have a polaroid with Victoria Paris. She is naked in the photo, but I am not. She signed it "thanks for the wild night!" even though all I did was go to the strip club and pay her to pose for the photo. So it wasn't really that wild. She was hot as hell though no doubt about it.

[QUOTE=Gmikel;2333959]
The plan is 4 Nights Bangkok, 8 Nights Pattaya and then back to Bangkok for 5 Nights.

I was just wondering when is the best time to actually book the flights and Hotels and which would be the best flights to go for.
[/QUOTE]4-8-5 sounds like a good plan. I would not bother booking any hotels until closer to your trip. Stay flexible. Hotels are cheap and depending on location the quality of a room in the 1000-1400 thb range is much better than you probably expect. There is a huge surplus of rooms in both cities. You can just show up in Pattaya and find a clean and decent aircon room over a bar at the last minute at half that price. The only reason to book in advance is if you really must stay at a specific resort with particular amenities (pool etc).

Tickets for the bus to Pattaya are available on the day of your journey. There are some good YouTube videos explaining where to buy and what it's like.

As for the flights: [URL]Skyscanner.net[/URL] and flights. [URL]google.com[/URL] will compare all possible options and show how prices vary across days / weeks / months. The low point is usually 8-10 weeks out, then it rises quite a bit to fleece business travelers, then at the last minute it can drop again if demand is low. Midweek can be cheaper.

Direct vs connect is up to you, as they say in LOS. You're going to feel like crap when you get there either way. DO NOT under any circumstances take an afternoon nap on the day you arrive, or any day after that, or you will never adjust to the time change. Get sunlight.

Learn to think in baht.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2334251]Usually you get a better rate in Thailand, but as soon as it becomes clear that the Brexit is near and inevitable it might indeed be wise to change pounds in the UK before it plummets.[/QUOTE]How do you know the pound won't go up? That reminds me of the people who were saying the US stock market would plummet if Donald Trump was elected. However, it sky rocketed after he was elected. They were dead wrong.

This thread should change from Bangcock to general ISG.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334504]How do you know the pound won't go up? That reminds me of the people who were saying the US stock market would plummet if Donald Trump was elected. However, it sky rocketed after he was elected. They were dead wrong.[/QUOTE]No one should have expected the trajectory of the stock market or the USA Economy in general to change in any meanigful way from where they were already going on the occasions of the election or the inauguration of a president. Heading up or down, neither has ever done so on those occasions throughout history. The election and inauguration of the current president was no exception. The trajectory of both essentially continued doing what they had been doing since mid 2009.

However, the trajectory of both can and often does change in meaningful ways after that administration's first major economic legislation is passed. Typically, the stock market (let's call that Wall Street) makes a move rather quickly after passage because that is forward looking, essentially making a bet on where the general economy (let's call that Main Street) will go based on what is in the legislation. Look for Main Street to make its move in terms of increased or reduced inventory, hiring or firing, etc a while later, after the provisions in the legislation begin to hit the ground.

On that count, the USA Stock market has not increased much at all since late December 2017 when the current administration's first major economic legislation was passed compared with what it had been doing in previous years. There certainly hasn't been any skyrocketing in evidence since any of the forementioned occasions.

In some meaningful ways, such as private sector jobs creation, Main Street is producing less well than in recent previous years. Real annual GDP might have ticked up a percentage point since then, likely the result of an additional $700 Billion in military spending and a $1.5 Trillion sugar high jolt in disproportionately large corporate and top marginal income bracket tax cuts.

So too might be the case with Brexit, nobody knows. There might be an immediate temporary move one way or another that settles in to a much longer term trend once due diligence has been done on its likely real world longer term impact.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2334456]I bought my plane ticket, I plan to come to Thailand on October 5th for 6 weeks, How common is anal sex in Bangcock?[/QUOTE]Pretty common. And no need for extra bhat. Just pre-negotiate. I think the short term going rate is 1500 B.

[QUOTE=PutinEatsJizz;2334340]Took a cute Thermaes gal home couple nights back. 3 k for ST and she looked like actress Jenna Coleman. Win win.[/QUOTE]Has Bangkok really become this expensive?

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2334456]I bought my plane ticket, I plan to come to Thailand on October 5th for 6 weeks, How common is anal sex in Bangcock?[/QUOTE]Freudian spelling of Bangkok. I have not had a Thai girl offer me her ass for years, but I did not specifically request it, nor go to the right places often enough. Common for LBs I guess. Ha ha.

Not common except at specific pornstar type Oily massage shops. If you read that thread you should know which MPs.

[QUOTE=Crypton;2334571]Has Bangkok really become this expensive?[/QUOTE]Given the strength of the Thai Baht nowadays, Thailand is no longer a cheap option for anything unfortunately.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2334598]Given the strength of the Thai Baht nowadays, Thailand is no longer a cheap option for anything unfortunately.[/QUOTE]Cost wise Bangkok is a tale of two cities.

If you want to eat at high end restaurants, have your latte at Starbucks, wear branded clothing and use top spas its no cheaper than other capitals in developed countries.

If your standard is cheap accommodation, street food, clothes from Platinum Mall or Big see and a massage almost anywhere then it's relatively inexpensive.

As mentioned shifting exchange rates play a big part when making comparisons.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2334598]Given the strength of the Thai Baht nowadays, Thailand is no longer a cheap option for anything unfortunately.[/QUOTE]Except the prices!

It's the #1 tourist city destination in the world.

I believe 20 million per annum?

That is never going to be good for prices.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2334598]Given the strength of the Thai Baht nowadays, Thailand is no longer a cheap option for anything unfortunately.[/QUOTE]You can still get a really cheap fuck for street girls on Soi 4, 1000 to 1500 Baht. There are still guys there trying to negotiate for less than 1 K. The better girls are not interested at all, and won't even take 1 K. You get what you pay for to a certain extent. I found my best performing Soi 4 girl ever, recently. She recognises she can get repeat business for a good fee and a good time. Maybe she is smarter (and prettier) than most.

The better girls in Thermae may cost 3 K, not sure if that includes a Farang surcharge or not. Probably does. Some are clearly not worth it. There may be cheaper girls too. I have struggled to get a really good performance from any really good looking girl (preferably natural) from the Thermae recently. So I am clearly picking the wrong ones. So Thermae is a waste of time and money for me (not like the old days when the girls performed great all night). I do better with gogo bar girls, if in the right venues and make a good choice. However cost is high. Maybe better value if can find a gogo girl to go all night. It is hard to rationalise the cost of gogo girls any more, unless they are magnificent performers. Can see them privately to cut out the BF and drinks costs. Is the bar itself entertaining enough to be worth a visit? Mostly I am going to find special girls. That is all. Not a great place to chat to a buddy.

MP shops can still offer good value for money if can find the girl that works for you. Prices there rose so little in over 10 years. Standard therefore declined. Girls have to do a lot of fucking to make good money.

[QUOTE=Crypton;2334571]Has Bangkok really become this expensive?[/QUOTE]Yes sir I think maybe you are a bit out of touch. 2500-3000 has been the norm for several venues for quite some time. There are still cheaper options but Thermae isn't one of them.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2334598]Given the strength of the Thai Baht nowadays, Thailand is no longer a cheap option for anything unfortunately.[/QUOTE]Almost true. Taxis are still so cheap that one can use them every day, and you can eat wisely healthier Thai market food very cheaply (without doing Maccas or KFC). I even know of Vegetarian food stands. You can also rent a room by the month cheaply. So its the sex that is getting expensive really. Clothes and shoes should still be priced okay.

Imported goods have ridiculous prices. The middle man agents make big money for doing nothing. King Power Duty Free is a rip off too. I don't buy from them any more.

Thais make so much less money than Farangs, for the lower classes. Its hard to understand how they can afford to buy their car and fill with petrol. Huge gap between the rich and poor here.

The Thai baht was even stronger when I first came here so it has merely recovered somewhat after bad economic times spread over 30 years and including world economy crises. When is the next one?

Would I spend $50 to $100 extra each day on a more fancy food and hotel or on sex? I would not waste it on the Hotel and food, personally. Priorities! Rebalance required caused by rising cost of mongering, and monger less frequently.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2334598]Given the strength of the Thai Baht nowadays, Thailand is no longer a cheap option for anything unfortunately.[/QUOTE]I haven't noticed the Thai Baht changing much in the last 10 years or so relative to the USD.

What has changed is the prices girls are charging. I agree that Thailand is no longer a cheap option.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2334565]No one should have expected the trajectory of the stock market or the USA Economy in general to change in any meanigful way from where they were already going on the occasions of the election or the inauguration of a president. [/QUOTE]In other words, CNN is fake news since they were reporting/predicting the market would drop if Trump were elected. I can't argue that.

Since the liberal media is also against Brexit, the effects it will have are likely also overblown by the media.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2334613]Yes sir I think maybe you are a bit out of touch. 2500-3000 has been the norm for several venues for quite some time. There are still cheaper options but Thermae isn't one of them.[/QUOTE]I have yet to see or have a Thai gal (and this is in my 20 years here), whose looks and service are worth over 100 USD to me. Sorry, it's just not.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334636]I haven't noticed the Thai Baht changing much in the last 10 years or so relative to the USD.

What has changed is the prices girls are charging. I agree that Thailand is no longer a cheap option.[/QUOTE]Yes Thai Baht did not go anywhere much since 2007. Down and up a bit. 1997 and before, the Thai baht was virtually pegged to about 25 Baht to the dollar (US).

45 Baht to the dollar in 2001 was not likely to last.

I was here 1991. Girls were very cheap then despite the weaker exchange rate. The massive exchange rate jump may have been a factor in the rises going up so much from late 90's onwards, plus the bad economy. The Japanese and the tourists could simply afford to pay much more than they used to, with better exchange rates.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334638]In other words, CNN is fake news since they were reporting/predicting the market would drop if Trump were elected. I can't argue that.[/QUOTE](1) The US Stock market did drop for 1 or 2 days after Trump was elected. It then recovered quickly.

(2) Most Wall Street pundits and Market gurus had made this prediction. All the TV Channels reported this story: CNBC, Bloomberg etc. It was not just CNN.

BKKguru

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334504]How do you know the pound won't go up? That reminds me of the people who were saying the US stock market would plummet if Donald Trump was elected. However, it sky rocketed after he was elected. They were dead wrong.[/QUOTE]And the deficit was supposed to go down as well. Not!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2334641]I have yet to see or have a Thai gal (and this is in my 20 years here), whose looks and service are worth over 100 USD to me. Sorry, it's just not.[/QUOTE]Guys that did expensive (and shitty) homeland mongering may have different idea of what $100 is worth.

For $100 I certainly got better girls than back in home country, for somewhat higher price, however we always thought the Thailand price should be about 20 to 25% of homeland price, but has not really stayed that way for mongering. My last all nighter here including 3 sex bouts seemed okay To me. My problem is I don't really need that much fucking any more.

Yes you always have the right to not buy if is not value for you. You could not get better in the USA, right? Certainly $100 would still be a bargain back in my homeland. Actually I don't know the homeland price. It's too long ago. It is just not anything like the bargain prices for all nighters in 1991. $20 to $30 bucks for all night. That was like dream world. It was a no brainer back then. There just was no point to sleep alone when the hot young eager girl cost so little (a lot less than the Hotel). I was so pissed off to have a wife with me I Thailand, back in 1983, so could not do much. Maybe Cambodia can still be value, especially for girls with no English. A much poorer country very obviously. Very few traffic lights and bridges in Phnom Penh. Many guys moved there to chase value.

So far my cheap Soi 4 girl does not do all night, but maybe for right price I could get a short LT out of her. Maybe 6 hours from 9 PM would be possible. Most girls think they have to work too hard in a LT.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2334641]I have yet to see or have a Thai gal (and this is in my 20 years here), whose looks and service are worth over 100 USD to me. Sorry, it's just not.[/QUOTE]Goatscrot I respect you and your posts on this forum for your opinions and advice that you have given over the years. But you sir are sadly living in the past. The only reason I can see that you are unable to find beautiful and excellent performing ladies anymore is because you are unwilling to use the Social media and gogo bars to find talent. It does require more time and effort to find quality companions than in the past however they are still here. By limiting yourself to the spas you are limiting yourself to the quality available in the spas. If I'm correct you also have a live in girlfriend which naturally limits your ability to search for talent.

Since I moved here 10 months ago my largest dilemma each day is which of my many regulars I am going to see today because I surely can't see all of the ones that want to meet me each day. My requirements closely resemble those of EihTooms less the (cip).

I will be 70 in July so age is no excuse. I do spend multiple hours weekly finding and keeping new talent. I do mostly freelance and gog girls but occasionally will date a girl you doesn't think she is a hooker. I never lie to them about wanting a serious relationship I always tell them I only want friends no girlfriend. I normally don't go with girls over 28 years old or 45 kg depending on their height. The regular non hooker ladies (they don't except money for sex) are some of the horniest women I have ever met. Every civilian that I have taken out at least twice has had sex with me most on the first date.

If you would like to meet sometime and tell me your requirements I might let you look through my Line contacts and actually share one of my top perfomers with you just to prove I'm not full of shit and you can still get the quality of lady and service that you have always been able to get in Bangkok it just takes a lot more effort than before.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2334632]Almost true. Taxis are still so cheap that one can use them every day, and you can eat wisely healthier Thai market food very cheaply (without doing Maccas or KFC). I even know of Vegetarian food stands. You can also rent a room by the month cheaply. So its the sex that is getting expensive really. Clothes and shoes should still be priced okay.

Imported goods have ridiculous prices. The middle man agents make big money for doing nothing. King Power Duty Free is a rip off too. I don't buy from them any more.

Thais make so much less money than Farangs, for the lower classes. Its hard to understand how they can afford to buy their car and fill with petrol. Huge gap between the rich and poor here.

The Thai baht was even stronger when I first came here so it has merely recovered somewhat after bad economic times spread over 30 years and including world economy crises. When is the next one?

Would I spend $50 to $100 extra each day on a more fancy food and hotel or on sex? I would not waste it on the Hotel and food, personally. Priorities! Rebalance required caused by rising cost of mongering, and monger less frequently.[/QUOTE]Syzygies.

Priorities? I don't plan to skimp on anything. For me food, hotel & sex are a package deal. I can only screw for so long.

When I first started visiting Thailand I loved the $30 short time for GFE sex plus great food and lodging options. Now with the price bumps, lack of GFE and changing service attitudes why pay the increased prices period?

Based on your posts I think we both share a fair number of years mongering. I have 47 years under my belt. No pun intended. We have both watched great sex markets go to shit. Looks like Thailand is heading downhill.

Better to change venues to visit that offer value.

Russia is on sale at 64 rubles to the dollar. Columbia offers decent value. Canada is on sale with the big drop in oil. When Bangkok starts pricing at FKK levels I would rather hit an FKK. I know its your area of expertise. Plus I like the white meat.

Doesn't make sense to chase Thailand of old which most likely will never come back.

I have Thailand, Germany & Columbia booked this year so far. Probably going to delete Thailand for somewhere else offering better value.

Just my. 02.

Best.

Guido88.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2334656] Since I moved here 10 months ago my largest dilemma each day is which of my many regulars I am going to see today because I surely can't see all of the ones that want to meet me each day..[/QUOTE]Finally amongst all the whinning about the good old days someone posts how its done in modern BKK.

As an aside: "I don't go with girls over 28 years old or 45 kg depending on their height" is funny as fuck. Kudos to you!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2330556]...
That is when I headed over to Thermae and, for the 3rd time in so many months, take one of the better looking girls on the left side as you walk in the front door, the supposedly "Japanese Only" or "Japanese Preferred" side of their line up around the room. More on that later.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2334611]...
The better girls in Thermae may cost 3 K, not sure if that includes a Farang surcharge or not. Probably does. Some are clearly not worth it. There may be cheaper girls too. I have struggled to get a really good performance from any really good looking girl (preferably natural) from the Thermae recently. So I am clearly picking the wrong ones. So Thermae is a waste of time and money for me (not like the old days when the girls performed great all night).
...[/QUOTE]This might be a good time for the Thermae report I mentioned in my earlier post.

Somewhat inadvertently, I conducted an informative (to me) and unofficial survey over the course of three months where I, a 66 year old Caucasian punter, happened to take three different girls, 1 each month, from the left side of the Thermae line up. That side is often referred to as the "Japanese Only" or "Japanese Preferred" side of the bar. Well, I question that assessment. For certain individual girls, of course, they have an ironclad rule on that point, I am sure. But I know it is not true for the whole side or perhaps even most of the girls on that side. I can see what guys mean by it, though. That side seems to have the most or highest percentage of girls stereo-typically thought to be the preference for Japanese punters and who seem to only or mostly indicate interest in going with a Japanese customer.

The girls on the left side are usually better looking with prettier faces, are taller, lighter skinned, slimmer, younger, have better racks or at least something enhanced or natural that can create cleavage. The girls on that side of the bar are the most fully visible from head to toe as they stand there far enough away from the S shaped bar for us to get a good look at their body. This is as opposed to the girls who sit perched on the stools (some standing) around the bar and on the right side of the room as you walk in through the front door.

Each of the three girls I took from the left side during this little casual "test" qualified on those appearance counts.

I should interject all the usual qualifiers and caveats here: There is no way for me to know for sure what they charge other customers, how they behave in the room with other customers, how they treat other customers in the room, whether what they told me in the room was true or a bald faced lie, what they are willing to do for other customers, how much money it would take for them to finally do for me what I needed and preferred, I realize only three "test" subjects is a small sampling, etc. Therefore, YMMV applies as much to this "test" as any other time.

There were a lot of similarities with those three girls in this casual three month "test". Each time, I arrived between 9:30 PM-10:30 PM. In each case, I never got past the left side of the line up, never made it around the room once or even all the way to the back of the room before one of the hotter girls on the left side agreed to go with me at her going rate (as far as I know) of 2,500/3,000 baht for ST. None of the girls smiled at me first, all waited until I smiled broadly at them and I made a simple "Sawatdee krup" (Hello) greeting in Thai. Then they lit up and smiled back. One reached out and grabbed my arm after that. Two had arrived in their own car, parking for two hours free at the nearby Sofitel Hotel and drove with me to my nearby apartment.

Under these circumstances and considering the conditions in Thermae are horrible for negotiating something so far off the modern Thai P4P menu as an upfront agreement to provide a BBFS+CIP, I only negotiated something upfront with the last of the three. That was for a BBBJ+CIM. Otherwise, I decided to do the old "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" bit and, unfortunately, none of the three experiences flowed into a BBFS+CIP result in the room.

I performed DATY on each of the three. And in each case, the girl was not an easy cum. I had to quickly switch from one technique to another, summon all my decades' long DATY acquired knowledge until I found the secret formula for each. Once found, they all seemed to greatly enjoy and appreciate it, as though cumming that way or almost any way during the course of this part time job of theirs was a rare occurrence indeed.

The first girl was actually the only remotely erotic experience of the three for me. Ironically, she was the most adamant about everything being covered at all times no matter what. She pulled out some oil to put on my dick and balls. I told her I really didn't like oil on that area of my body. She seemed crest fallen. Ok, the idea was for me to "go with the flow" and give these girls a chance to show their stuff and demonstrate what all the fuss is about taking one, right? So I let her do her thing. However, as I expected, her thing with oil and a condom, even for BBBJ as mere oral foreplay, only got me up and capable of her riding me cowgirl style for a series of apparently terrific orgasms for her and did nothing to get me closer to finishing wearing a condom. That same thing can happen for me even without that goddam, sticky oil. Maybe she is the one who likes it for her own pleasure.

Therefore, for me there was no finish. And I knew there was not going to be a finish for me as long as a condom was on me. But I paid her the agreed upon 2,500 baht anyway. The other two did provide BBBJ, supposedly attempting to provide a BBBJ+CIM. But their "skills" at this, even with my calm and seemingly well understood instructions, were just hopeless. Consequently, I did not finish with any of these three left side Thermae test subjects. And none of the three seemed to be all that concerned about my not finishing except maybe the last one who I negotiated a BBBJ+CIM with upfront in a booth she insisted I sit in to chat about it first. But her "skills" were the worst of the bunch so I had to abort that mission and insist I was fine without finishing.

In none of the three cases was I inspired to get their Line info for a follow up or a repeat. And none of them asked me for mine.

Again, only three test subjects with these likely "Japanese Only / Preferred" girls is a small sampling. However, it was enough for me to decide that from now on when a hot girl on the left side of the Thermae line up as well as anywhere else in or outside the bar agrees to go with me, I will now negotiate for an upfront agreement for everything important to me in the session. If she balks about it or says no, fine. Next. There is always another one in Thermae. I have had quite good experiences with other Thermae girls fairly recently, let's say 8's to those other girls' 10's by Thermae standards, even during the course of this "Japanese Only / Preferred" test. And a 2,500 baht ST with one of those cute or pretty, young girls is still less costly than many other options around town. But not all other options, for sure.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334638]In other words, CNN is fake news since they were reporting/predicting the market would drop if Trump were elected. I can't argue that.

Since the liberal media is also against Brexit, the effects it will have are likely also overblown by the media.[/QUOTE]Your chart doesn't go back far enough to show that a increase like that over the course of a 2-3 year period was not only fairly common before Trump was elected, inaugurated or signed his first major economic legislation, there actually has not been as great an increase in the market since any of those events as we'd seen previously.

Go back 10 years and use the much more broadly diversified S&P 500 Index as the measure for USA Stock market performance overall rather than the somewhat irrelevant DOW.

Since December 22, 2017 when the current administration's first major economic legislation was passed, the S&P has gained roughly 7.6% or about 4.35% on an annualized basis (factoring in partial years). Ok, let's be unrealistically generous and go back to the January 20, 2017 inauguration. The S&P has only gained about 11.25% on an annualized basis since then. Going all the way back to the November, 2016 election, although there is no historic precedence for why we should, we have seen a roughly 14% per year/annualized gain since then. Compared to most recent years prior to the election, those are not particularly impressive results at all.
Just sayin'

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2334656]Goatscrot I respect you and your posts on this forum for your opinions and advice that you have given over the years. But you sir are sadly living in the past. The only reason I can see that you are unable to find beautiful and excellent performing ladies anymore is because you are unwilling to use the Social media and gogo bars to find talent. It does require more time and effort to find quality companions than in the past however they are still here. By limiting yourself to the spas you are limiting yourself to the quality available in the spas. If I'm correct you also have a live in girlfriend which naturally limits your ability to search for talent.

Since I moved here 10 months ago my largest dilemma each day is which of my many regulars I am going to see today because I surely can't see all of the ones that want to meet me each day. My requirements closely resemble those of EihTooms less the (cip).

I will be 70 in July so age is no excuse. I do spend multiple hours weekly finding and keeping new talent. I do mostly freelance and gog girls but occasionally will date a girl you doesn't think she is a hooker. I never lie to them about wanting a serious relationship I always tell them I only want friends no girlfriend. I normally don't go with girls over 28 years old or 45 kg depending on their height. The regular non hooker ladies (they don't except money for sex) are some of the horniest women I have ever met. Every civilian that I have taken out at least twice has had sex with me most on the first date.

If you would like to meet sometime and tell me your requirements I might let you look through my Line contacts and actually share one of my top perfomers with you just to prove I'm not full of shit and you can still get the quality of lady and service that you have always been able to get in Bangkok it just takes a lot more effort than before.[/QUOTE]Greetings fellow Texan. Oh yes, I agree with you. There are plenty of gals on social media sites and most are willing to go for 1500 - 2 k. I have many friends who use them with much success as you do. Personally, I just don't want to nor do I enjoy putting in the kind of time and effort it takes to weed through the chaff. I don't enjoy the small talk, nor do I really enjoy the meeting up, etc. I have a gal that I have lived with for well over a decade and I truly enjoy spending time with her. When I want to partake, I like to walk into a place, pick out a gal, and have a PSE / GFE and then vamos. I've always been partial to brothels. I imagine if I did not have a live in my approach would be a bit more like yours, but I still would not want to put in that much effort.
As far as GoGos are concerned, the price is just insane IMHO. 1k-1500 BF plus gals wanting 2.5-3k ST. Add in drinks and ST room and you are getting close to 200 USD. Friend is here from BA, Argentina and showing me what he pays about 40-50 USD for ST. Man, some amazing talent. And pop down to Jakarta and prices are more in line as well. Thailand is just not great value in P4P now. Too many tourists year round and fewer and fewer residents. Although some bar owner friends in Pattaya are saying this is the lowest low season they have seen in well over a decade. Perhaps the insane prices are finally catching up!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2334670]This might be a good time for the Thermae report I mentioned in my earlier post.

Somewhat inadvertently, I conducted an informative (to me) and unofficial survey over the course of three months where I, a 66 year old Caucasian punter, happened to take three different girls, 1 each month, from the left side of the Thermae line up. That side is often referred to as the "Japanese Only" or "Japanese Preferred" side of the bar. Well, I question that assessment. For certain individual girls, of course, they have an ironclad rule on that point, I am sure. But I know it is not true for the whole side or perhaps even most of the girls on that side. I can see what guys mean by it, though. That side seems to have the most or highest percentage of girls stereo-typically thought to be the preference for Japanese punters and who seem to only or mostly indicate interest in going with a Japanese customer.

The girls on the left side are usually better looking with prettier faces, are taller, lighter skinned, slimmer, younger, have better racks or at least something enhanced or natural that can create cleavage. The girls on that side of the bar are the most fully visible from head to toe as they stand there far enough away from the S shaped bar for us to get a good look at their body. This is as opposed to the girls who sit perched on the stools (some standing) around the bar and on the right side of the room as you walk in through the front door.

Each of the three girls I took from the left side during this little casual "test" qualified on those appearance counts.

I should interject all the usual qualifiers and caveats here: There is no way for me to know for sure what they charge other customers, how they behave in the room with other customers, how they treat other customers in the room, whether what they told me in the room was true or a bald faced lie, what they are willing to do for other customers, how much money it would take for them to finally do for me what I needed and preferred, I realize only three "test" subjects is a small sampling, etc. Therefore, YMMV applies as much to this "test" as any other time.

There were a lot of similarities with those three girls in this casual three month "test". Each time, I arrived between 9:30 PM-10:30 PM. In each case, I never got past the left side of the line up, never made it around the room once or even all the way to the back of the room before one of the hotter girls on the left side agreed to go with me at her going rate (as far as I know) of 2,500/3,000 baht for ST. None of the girls smiled at me first, all waited until I smiled broadly at them and I made a simple "Sawatdee krup" (Hello) greeting in Thai. Then they lit up and smiled back. One reached out and grabbed my arm after that. Two had arrived in their own car, parking for two hours free at the nearby Sofitel Hotel and drove with me to my nearby apartment.

Under these circumstances and considering the conditions in Thermae are horrible for negotiating something so far off the modern Thai P4P menu as an upfront agreement to provide a BBFS+CIP, I only negotiated something upfront with the last of the three. That was for a BBBJ+CIM. Otherwise, I decided to do the old "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" bit and, unfortunately, none of the three experiences flowed into a BBFS+CIP result in the room.

I performed DATY on each of the three. And in each case, the girl was not an easy cum. I had to quickly switch from one technique to another, summon all my decades' long DATY acquired knowledge until I found the secret formula for each. Once found, they all seemed to greatly enjoy and appreciate it, as though cumming that way or almost any way during the course of this part time job of theirs was a rare occurrence indeed.

The first girl was actually the only remotely erotic experience of the three for me. Ironically, she was the most adamant about everything being covered at all times no matter what. She pulled out some oil to put on my dick and balls. I told her I really didn't like oil on that area of my body. She seemed crest fallen. Ok, the idea was for me to "go with the flow" and give these girls a chance to show their stuff and demonstrate what all the fuss is about taking one, right? So I let her do her thing. However, as I expected, her thing with oil and a condom, even for BBBJ as mere oral foreplay, only got me up and capable of her riding me cowgirl style for a series of apparently terrific orgasms for her and did nothing to get me closer to finishing wearing a condom. That same thing can happen for me even without that goddam, sticky oil. Maybe she is the one who likes it for her own pleasure.

Therefore, for me there was no finish. And I knew there was not going to be a finish for me as long as a condom was on me. But I paid her the agreed upon 2,500 baht anyway. The other two did provide BBBJ, supposedly attempting to provide a BBBJ+CIM. But their "skills" at this, even with my calm and seemingly well understood instructions, were just hopeless. Consequently, I did not finish with any of these three left side Thermae test subjects. And none of the three seemed to be all that concerned about my not finishing except maybe the last one who I negotiated a BBBJ+CIM with upfront in a booth she insisted I sit in to chat about it first. But her "skills" were the worst of the bunch so I had to abort that mission and insist I was fine without finishing.

In none of the three cases was I inspired to get their Line info for a follow up or a repeat. And none of them asked me for mine.

Again, only three test subjects with these likely "Japanese Only / Preferred" girls is a small sampling. However, it was enough for me to decide that from now on when a hot girl on the left side of the Thermae line up as well as anywhere else in or outside the bar agrees to go with me, I will now negotiate for an upfront agreement for everything important to me in the session. If she balks about it or says no, fine. Next. There is always another one in Thermae. I have had quite good experiences with other Thermae girls fairly recently, let's say 8's to those other girls' 10's by Thermae standards, even during the course of this "Japanese Only / Preferred" test. And a 2,500 baht ST with one of those cute or pretty, young girls is still less costly than many other options around town. But not all other options, for sure.[/QUOTE]If they are regulars at Tmae and providing that type of service, then I guess there are dudes that are satisfied with it. I do think that overall the current crop of punters is far less demanding than the generation that was here in the late 90's early 00's.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334638]In other words, CNN is fake news since they were reporting/predicting the market would drop if Trump were elected.[/QUOTE]Just because they were wrong doesn't mean it was fake news. A prediction about the stock market can never be fake because nobody can ever know for sure what will happen. Not without foreknowledge anyway.
It's just a prediction, not a fact.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334504]How do you know the pound won't go up? That reminds me of the people who were saying the US stock market would plummet if Donald Trump was elected. However, it sky rocketed after he was elected. They were dead wrong.[/QUOTE]Of course I don't know that for sure. Nobody knows for sure what will happen. I just think the Brexit will have a major impact. Much more than the election of Trump.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2334695]As far as GoGos are concerned, the price is just insane IMHO. 1k-1500 BF plus gals wanting 2.5-3k ST. Add in drinks and ST room and you are getting close to 200 USD. Friend is here from BA, Argentina and showing me what he pays about 40-50 USD for ST. Man, some amazing talent. And pop down to Jakarta and prices are more in line as well. Thailand is just not great value in P4P now. Too many tourists year round and fewer and fewer residents. [/QUOTE]Yep, prices are getting crazy in Thailand. Last time I was in Buenos Aires, the USD was 1 to 1 exchange rate with the Argentine Peso and girls wanted between 100 to 300 USD short time (100 if I pulled them from Cattos or Hook and 300 if I pulled them from the upper class place called Black). Glad to hear the prices have dropped due to their recent economic crash. However, I hear the scene there in BA is not anywhere near as fun as it was back when I was there.

Prices in Venezuela also used to be pretty expensive, but they are dirt cheap now if you are brave enough to venture into that country.

I also hear Angola is cheap now. The girls there are hot. Way hotter than the black girls you see in the streets of Bangkok. Bad infrastructure there though.

Bangkok has it's advantages since it has great infrastructure and it's never boring. These other countries are pretty dead during the day hours.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2334720]Yep, prices are getting crazy in Thailand. Last time I was in Buenos Aires, the USD was 1 to 1 exchange rate with the Argentine Peso and girls wanted between 100 to 300 USD short time (100 if I pulled them from Cattos or Hook and 300 if I pulled them from the upper class place called Black). Glad to hear the prices have dropped due to their recent economic crash. However, I hear the scene there in BA is not anywhere near as fun as it was back when I was there.

Prices in Venezuela also used to be pretty expensive, but they are dirt cheap now if you are brave enough to venture into that country.

I also hear Angola is cheap now. The girls there are hot. Way hotter than the black girls you see in the streets of Bangkok. Bad infrastructure there though.

Bangkok has it's advantages since it has great infrastructure and it's never boring. These other countries are pretty dead during the day hours.[/QUOTE]Clubs in BA are all closed as far as I know and that is where the high prices were. I would imagine Venezuela is amazing at the moment. If I was back in that hemisphere it would be top on my list and I'd be on my way. After it settles just a bit, mongering there will be incredible for a few years as they get the economy back on track. Might be out last chance to have a really great time without paying a fortune. Sad I missed out on Eastern Europe in the early 90's. Man, great looking Czech gals for 10 bucks. Must have been wonderful. People were frightened of Cambodia and stayed away in the late 90's and early 00's, and that is why it was so good. I loved it. Angola, well, I'm just not into black chicks.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2334641]I have yet to see or have a Thai gal (and this is in my 20 years here), whose looks and service are worth over 100 USD to me. Sorry, it's just not.[/QUOTE]The cute Ann from Mango long ago. To have someone like her now, I would pay more than that. She's the only one.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2334641]I have yet to see or have a Thai gal (and this is in my 20 years here), whose looks and service are worth over 100 USD to me. Sorry, it's just not.[/QUOTE]That's really harsh. In my last visit to Bangkok in 2015 I saw, in Nataree alone, many gals who were worth above US $100.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2334641]I have yet to see or have a Thai gal (and this is in my 20 years here), whose looks and service are worth over 100 USD to me. Sorry, it's just not.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2334739]That's really harsh. In my last visit to Bangkok in 2015 I saw, in Nataree alone, many gals who were worth above US $100.[/QUOTE]I hope you guys don't mind me saying this, but this particular discussion is totally subjective and pointless.

Goatscrot does not like the BKK Go Go scene and he is not alone in this view point. It is entirely up to him whether he engages or not. I have no argument with what he prefers to do with his own cash and time.

Houston Player and others have a different point of view which I happen to share more or less. Again IMHO, our individual preferences are totally subjective so unless I am out barhopping with a fellow punter and we are discussing the girls at hand, I don't really see the relevancy of this. Tastes vary and the amount of cash we are willing to spend on girls varies as well.

Recently I was discussing the attributes of various girls with Smoothy and as the conversation progressed it became clear that we have very different tastes in girls. That's fine! I respect our different tastes plus I know he has a large knowledge base which he is willing to share, especially on Jakarta. He can find his type and I will find my type. Sometimes in the same Bar, but often different tastes will lead to a preference for different bars and venues. Its all good.

Turgid, on my last visits to Nataree, just before it was closed down, I found a number of attractive girls and I did partake on numerous occasions. HA HA. Was it worth the $100 and more that I paid? Well, I paid the price and came back for more, so it was obviously ok for me. But for someone else it might have been totally not worth it. The price is what it is. Other BM's can choose to pay or not pay for whatever reason. I don't care.

So, what this forum needs are more reports IMHO. Where did the punter go, who and what did he find there, how much did he pay, and was he happy afterwards. Now reports can be very subjective too, but at least they contain some specific information good or bad which might be useful. I am more inclined, however, to read and take seriously a report from someone I know, knows what they are talking about or with whom I share similar tastes.

In line with the post below and what someone said a few days back, cheap is very 'relative' in 2019.

I'm spending an entire month (closer to 4 weeks) in BKK and exclusively at Thermaes before starting my next job back in the States in 6 weeks. To me it's not about looks or if the girl is worth it or not, but rather what's in my budget and what I'm willing to lose. Kinda like gambling I guess; a personal decision not impacted by external factors.

The phrase "it's not worth it" holds no meaning in economic terms although it serves as a personal statement. This is because of the fact that price is determined in the free market by the supply of something and the demand for that something. Only in Communist, Socialist countries, and price regulated markets is this not true.

A free P4P market is absolutely the condition in Thailand despite a couple of obvious quirks, thus I consider the BKK Go Go scene is a good example of a free market at work where nobody forces punters to walk into a Go Go and barfine a girl for 3000 baht, the current market price and likewise, no one forces a girl to go out with a customer for 3000 baht - the girls could offer less if they wanted to and thought it was in their best interests. Guys could walk away. So, it is all voluntary and the resulting price is a fair market value. I don't think anyone can argue with that.

A key peculiarity of the Thai P4 P market, however, is that every December / January there is a huge spike in demand which causes the P4 P Go Go price to rise approximately 250 baht every high season. Then for the rest of the year the girls try to hold to that "sticky" price. If current market conditions were fully operative in low season, I believe the price would be 2000 to 2500 baht as there is just not enough demand to sustain the 3000 baht price and as a consequence many Go Go girls do not get barfined every night or even every few nights. They should lower their price to get more barfines, but due to a national Thai character trait, the girls are very reluctant to do so. I kind of feel sorry for them. Ha Ha. Not really.

But this is one of the main reasons I like to visit Thailand in the low season. The girls are really "friendly" in low season since they are literally starving for customers. I could negotiate price, but I prefer to meet their price and in return I receive a grateful girl very willing to give me GFE and high-quality service. I get that a lot. Other punters can do it their way and negotiate a lower price. Up to them. I believe a lot of guys are getting it for less than 3000 baht, the asking price in low season. So again, it is a free market and no one holds a gun to anyone's head. Guys can do what they think is in their best interest and so can the girls.

Anyway, my point is the free market price is always fair by definition since it is created by supply and demand. And as I stated in the 1st paragraph, the phrase "is the market price worth it?" means nothing in economic terms, although it can mean everything in an individual's own decision making. But until aggregate demand drops off significantly and I mean significantly, I do not expect the price to go down. And whether price continues to rise at the 250 baht per year rate is anyone's guess, but I would not bet against annual, seasonal price rises. Maybe what we need is a futures market on Thai Pussy. 555.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2334739]That's really harsh. In my last visit to Bangkok in 2015 I saw, in Nataree alone, many gals who were worth above US $100.[/QUOTE]I saw some amazing gals yesterday when at Siam Sq. Truthfully, after seeing those gals and then looking at what is available in the P4 P market, it's quite a let down. Would I pay 100 USD for some of those gals at Siam, well probably not, but they sure are impressive.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2334811]The phrase "it's not worth it" holds no meaning in economic terms although it serves as a personal statement. This is because of the fact that price is determined in the free market by the supply of something and the demand for that something. Only in Communist, Socialist countries, and price regulated markets is this not true.

A free P4P market is absolutely the condition in Thailand despite a couple of obvious quirks, thus I consider the BKK Go Go scene is a good example of a free market at work where nobody forces punters to walk into a Go Go and barfine a girl for 3000 baht, the current market price and likewise, no one forces a girl to go out with a customer for 3000 baht - the girls could offer less if they wanted to and thought it was in their best interests. Guys could walk away. So, it is all voluntary and the resulting price is a fair market value. I don't think anyone can argue with that.

A key peculiarity of the Thai P4 P market, however, is that every December / January there is a huge spike in demand which causes the P4 P Go Go price to rise approximately 250 baht every high season. Then for the rest of the year the girls try to hold to that "sticky" price. If current market conditions were fully operative in low season, I believe the price would be 2000 to 2500 baht as there is just not enough demand to sustain the 3000 baht price and as a consequence many Go Go girls do not get barfined every night or even every few nights. They should lower their price to get more barfines, but due to a national Thai character trait, the girls are very reluctant to do so. I kind of feel sorry for them. Ha Ha. Not really.

But this is one of the main reasons I like to visit Thailand in the low season. The girls are really "friendly" in low season since they are literally starving for customers. I could negotiate price, but I prefer to meet their price and in return I receive a grateful girl very willing to give me GFE and high-quality service. I get that a lot. Other punters can do it their way and negotiate a lower price. Up to them. I believe a lot of guys are getting it for less than 3000 baht, the asking price in low season. So again, it is a free market and no one holds a gun to anyone's head. Guys can do what they think is in their best interest and so can the girls.

Anyway, my point is the free market price is always fair by definition since it is created by supply and demand. And as I stated in the 1st paragraph, the phrase "is the market price worth it?" means nothing in economic terms, although it can mean everything in an individual's own decision making. But until aggregate demand drops off significantly and I mean significantly, I do not expect the price to go down. And whether price continues to rise at the 250 baht per year rate is anyone's guess, but I would not bet against annual, seasonal price rises. Maybe what we need is a futures market on Thai Pussy. 555.[/QUOTE]I would say that there is no such thing as a "free market" in any context and the BKK GoGo scene is quite far away from most aspects os what's deemed a "free market," especially with mamasans who are flash signs in front of dudes with the prices on them and with gals sticking to set prices no matter how low the customer base has become. Remember in Thailand when there are less customers for any business, the modus operandi is to raise prices, not lower them. Price is not always driven by supply and demand. It is a factor, but not always the primary factor. Cultural aspects such as "face" have a huge impact on pricing here in many industries. Pressure from other gals is huge. Get 2. 5 k one night and taking 2 k subsequently is a blow to you. Some gals will rather make nothing than take less than they think they are "worth. ".

Competition does not always drive price down nor increase the level of service in this country as it might in the West. You would think that when the large numbers of oilies opened after 2010 there would be lots of competition for customers and each shop would be striving to provide better service at the best price. Nope, service levels decreased. In groups many of the locals tend to work towards the lowest common denominator. Take Pin who used to work in Boss and now works Soi 4. She was castigated by not only the gals at Boss but the mamasan for providing service that was too good! I kid you not. She told me that was one of the main reasons she left.

Another example, traditional massage shops, they pretty much all stick to the same price in the Sukhumvit area, and again you would think if one were to drop their prices, they'd clean up. Same with GoGo bars, drop the BF a bit and have good drink prices all night, and ka-ching! But no, we don't see that. Pressure to keep prices high comes from many different sources.

Thais think about business far differently than we do.

I agree with you that "worth" is for the most part subjective. Paying 150 USD up for a ST with an Isaan bar girl is certainly not "worth" it to me.
And since you mentioned reports, I have added one in Except Tulip and Annies just now.

[QUOTE=Francesco24;2334738]The cute Ann from Mango long ago. To have someone like her now, I would pay more than that. She's the only one.[/QUOTE]She was just amazing. One of the best oily girls, if not the best oily gal ever. Gorgeous, horny, and just filthy. She got so wet during every session I had with her. Yep, I might cough up a C-note for her as well.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2334849]I would say that there is no such thing as a "free market" in any context and the BKK GoGo scene is quite far away from most aspects os what's deemed a "free market,"
SNIP [/QUOTE]Good analysis Goat. I'm with you here. It's indeed not a free market and I would like to add another reason for that: just like anywhere else in the world the P4 P business is for the most part regulated by criminals, like mafia, pimps, mamasans, papasans, money launderers etc. It's usually not a legitimate business, conforming to laws and rules.

There is no such thing as a free market any where in the world. People like to talk about the free market in capitalism. That is hogwash. The elite bankers (especially the Federal Reserve in the US and Central Bank in other countries) who control the government determine the market. They decide on the raising or lowering of interest rates and prices generally in order to continually increase their profits. In capitalist society as in any other society the people who wield the power control the market. Similarly, in the Thailand p4p industry there are covert syndicates that are influential in overseeing prices. Establishments cannot raise or lower (especially lower) prices as they may wish.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2335118]There is no such thing as a free market any where in the world. People like to talk about the free market in capitalism. That is hogwash. The elite bankers (especially the Federal Reserve in the US and Central Bank in other countries) who control the government determine the market. They decide on the raising or lowering of interest rates and prices generally in order to continually increase their profits. In capitalist society as in any other society the people who wield the power control the market. Similarly, in the Thailand p4p industry there are covert syndicates that are influential in overseeing prices. Establishments cannot raise or lower (especially lower) prices as they may wish.[/QUOTE]Yep, could not agree more. Free market = unicorn.

Goat and Turgid, I don't see how you guys can say the BKK Go Go scene it is not a free market since there is no price enforcement mechanism and customers and girls can agree to any price and any arrangement they choose since it is a private, cash transaction between two people. But as I pointed out, prices are sticky because the girls are very reluctant to lower their price due to national peculiarities concerning Thai culture and "face. " Nonetheless the girls do vary their price all the time depending mostly on how much they need cash and whether they like the customer or not. Remember that in a previous post I said I thought the set price is the free market price based on high season aggregate supply and demand. The problem comes into play during low season when the December/January price no longer clears the market and girls are not getting barfined every night or even every week. In low season the stated price is obviously set to high, but there are market solutions to this problem.

For example, I can't recall the number of times I have made special arrangements to meet a Go Go girl or girls before work or on her or their day off. I could arrange after work sessions too, but I do not like the hours because I am usually well taken care of before they get off work and I like my beauty sleep. But when a Go Go girl comes over in the afternoon to see me, she is completely cutting out the bar, no barfine, so call it what you want, free market or grey market whatever, I am not paying the set retail price and this happens all the time.

Another example would be the ease with which a lower price from the stated set price can be obtained from many, many Go Go girls through brief negotiation. Like I have said a number of times, I do not care to negotiate because I personally feel it hurts the vibe, but I am absolutely sure that many customers do negotiate price especially now in low season and as a result they are paying under the set price currently pegged at 3000 baht. Many Go Go girls will agree to something like 2500 or even 2000 baht for ST, but then ask that the customer not tell mamasan or not tell her friends and the customer would have to be a total idiot to violate that request.

So yeah, I think the BKK P4P Go Go market is free, unregulated, and ultimately determined by supply and demand conditions. That does not mean there are not influences and pressures both from above (management / mamasans), from Thai cultural factors, and from group influence / peer pressure on the girls to conform and maintain a certain set price level, but without enforcement the girls will do what they want to do and what is in their own best interests a majority of the time, so in the end, it is a free market especially since customers too are free to do what they want like walk away if they feel the price is too high. This all feels like a free market to me, but with Thai style sticky prices to finesse and work around. 555.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2334849]I would say that there is no such thing as a "free market" in any context and the BKK GoGo scene is quite far away from most aspects os what's deemed a "free market," especially with mamasans who are flash signs in front of dudes with the prices on them and with gals sticking to set prices no matter how low the customer base has become. Remember in Thailand when there are less customers for any business, the modus operandi is to raise prices, not lower them. Price is not always driven by supply and demand. It is a factor, but not always the primary factor.[/QUOTE]Amen. Closest thing to a free market in our hobby used to be freelancers who negotiate with customers one-on-one without middlemen or social pressure. Sure, they still face internal pressures (face and the sense of self-worth), but they could rationalize that away by liking certain customers more than others.

Sadly, the era of plentiful and decent freelancers in Bangkok is long gone. Thermae has freelancers, but doesn't count since negotiations there can be seen by everyone, and a fairly high price floor (about 2500ST) is informally, but strictly, enforced.

As for supply and demand, that has not been going in our favor for years now. Supply is way lower (especially if you count the looks), demand is more or less constant, or maybe even increasing due to punters from new markets (India and China).

I remember the times when supply was so plentiful that the asking price (of freelancers) was often "up to you", knowing that chances are the punter will either pay the going rate (1000 baht ST) or overpay. If they quoted a high price they could lose a customer (easy to move on to another girl, with so many around), and if they quoted the going rate, lose the potential extra (often substantial). Was not that long ago, about 10 years, but seems almost like an impossible fairy tale these days.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2334774] So, what this forum needs are more reports IMHO. Where did the punter go, who and what did he find there, how much did he pay, and was he happy afterwards. Now reports can be very subjective too, but at least they contain some specific information good or bad which might be useful. I am more inclined, however, to read and take seriously a report from someone I know, knows what they are talking about or with whom I share similar tastes.[/QUOTE]Nattty,

Your reports are always appreciated by me.

The first part of my recent visit to BKK is on page 15. It had what your talking about here and it got zero recognition from the group of 6 who dominate this forum. It got zero recognition from those here that do not dominate the forum. I tried to help out w my relevant info (and story) and was basically ignored.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2335204]Goat and Turgid, I don't see how you guys can say the BKK Go Go scene it is not a free market since there is no price enforcement mechanism and customers and girls can agree to any price and any arrangement they choose since it is a private, cash transaction between two people. But as I pointed out, prices are sticky because the girls are very reluctant to lower their price due to national peculiarities concerning Thai culture and "face. " Nonetheless the girls do vary their price all the time depending mostly on how much they need cash and whether they like the customer or not. Remember that in a previous post I said I thought the set price is the free market price based on high season aggregate supply and demand. The problem comes into play during low season when the December/January price no longer clears the market and girls are not getting barfined every night or even every week. In low season the stated price is obviously set to high, but there are market solutions to this problem..[/QUOTE]Walk into most bars in BKK and the prices are the same for every girl the #1 girl to the worst of the bunch.

Is that your idea of a free market at work?

That's called price-fixing and collusion in its purest form!

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2335330]I remember the times when supply was so plentiful that the asking price (of freelancers) was often "up to you", [/QUOTE]Even as recent as 2 years ago gogo girl prices in Pattaya for me at least were 'up to you'. They still may be but since I never discuss price before I take a girl they have no chance to respond up to you or whatever rate they are seeking. I pay my girls fairly. All the gogo girls in the city know that. Having a good reputation matters.

As for Thermae being a free market wasn't there a newbie hotshot last month who said he was pulling in pretty thermae girls for 1000 or 1500 baht? If that is at all true thermae would be considered a free market. I always pay 2500 at thermae with a possible small tip if she was exceptional and allowed pics.

Guys its a no brainer. When a girl says "its up to you" she already has a price in her head and she's hoping that you would offer her more. The issue about free market is obviously related to the published price in establishments that is understood by those concerned to be the fare that is to be paid which is not dependent on the vagaries of the market but is set by those in control based on obtaining the maximum profit possible. This is not related to freelance girls who can charge what they want; they can offer you 100 baht LT if they so desire or 10,000 baht ST if they happen upon a customer with remarkable naivety, for instance.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2335375]Even as recent as 2 years ago gogo girl prices in Pattaya for me at least were 'up to you'. They still may be but since I never discuss price before I take a girl they have no chance to respond up to you or whatever rate they are seeking. I pay my girls fairly. All the gogo girls in the city know that. Having a good reputation matters.

As for Thermae being a free market wasn't there a newbie hotshot last month who said he was pulling in pretty thermae girls for 1000 or 1500 baht? If that is at all true thermae would be considered a free market. I always pay 2500 at thermae with a possible small tip if she was exceptional and allowed pics.[/QUOTE]Please explain fair? According to whom? Would I call it fair?

Having a good reputation? For what? Overpaying?

If one doesn't ever negotiate a lower price is that not by definition overpaying?

If that's what qualifies one for a good reputation in Pattaya please count me out.

Can I ask what you require as a minimum for service? Do you have a minimum? Lots of latex?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2335204]So yeah, I think the BKK P4P Go Go market is free, unregulated, and ultimately determined by supply and demand conditions. That does not mean there are not influences and pressures both from above (management / mamasans), from Thai cultural factors, and from group influence / peer pressure on the girls to conform and maintain a certain set price level, but without enforcement the girls will do what they want to do and what is in their own best interests a majority of the time, so in the end, it is a free market especially since customers too are free to do what they want like walk away if they feel the price is too high. This all feels like a free market to me, but with Thai style sticky prices to finesse and work around. 555.[/QUOTE]Natty, I think Turgid and I are stating that there is no such thing as a free market, anywhere or at anytime. I would say that all the factors you list above are what makes it not a "free market. " It is regulated, by the business owner, which is still regulation. For one, there is pressure for the gal to get a certain number of BFs per month, so she is certainly not "free to choose" who she wants to go with at all times. I think the myth of the "free market" is that people do what is in their best interests and we all have a jolly good time.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2335423]Natty, I think Turgid and I are stating that there is no such thing as a free market, anywhere or at anytime. I would say that all the factors you list above are what makes it not a "free market. " It is regulated, by the business owner, which is still regulation. For one, there is pressure for the gal to get a certain number of BFs per month, so she is certainly not "free to choose" who she wants to go with at all times. I think the myth of the "free market" is that people do what is in their best interests and we all have a jolly good time.[/QUOTE]Probably closest thing to free market in LOS are the discos like Insanity, Mixx etc. I recall a couple of years ago in Climax (when it was open) girls asking for 5 k LT would usually find few takers but later at night would be reducing as the ones asking 3 k or less were being taken away. Of course there are probably other factors like end of month with rent due, mutual attraction etc but point being they are subjected to much less pressure to conform to any rates & stuff in this environment I would think.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2335423]Natty, I think Turgid and I are stating that there is no such thing as a free market, anywhere or at anytime. [/QUOTE]You don't think free lancer pickups at local night spots is a negotiable free market price? In Jakarta, the price varies each night depending on supply and demand. If there are lots of guys there that night, the price is higher than the nights where there are very few guys. It also depends how many girls are there and how good looking they are. The hottest girls do charge more because they know they are higher demand. I can get a plain jane in the same bar for much cheaper. I have given the exact same girl different amounts on different nights depending on supply and demand that night. The price also drops drastically right around closing time if the girl hasn't found anyone to take her yet. Sounds like a free market to me.

I have to side with the argument that supply and demand does not apply in the go go bar scene in the same way it operates in mainstream commerce where it holds true for commonly traded commodities but to a lesser extent for services when elasticity on either side restricts equivalency.

In my opinion prices in most go go's are by and large set by the owner / operators and do not fluctuate with changes in either demand or supple. Are prices cheaper in July when compared to December?

Of course.

It is true individual girls will occasionally depending on circumstances discreetly and I emphasis discreetly negotiate and leave with you for less than the prescribed fee but this does not come close to making it a free market.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2335532] I have given the exact same girl different amounts on different nights depending on supply and demand that night. The price also drops drastically right around closing time if the girl hasn't found anyone to take her yet. Sounds like a free market to me.[/QUOTE]Another reason why Jakarta is so much better than Thailand on so many levels. Imagine trying to pay a Thai FL 1000 baht for ST when you previously paid her 1500 baht?

Thai train of thought is if a girl only gets 1 customer per night during low season when she gets 2 customers per night during high season she doubles her price during low season so she can make the same amount of money.

I am really bemused by guys who think the P4P industry follows the free market system. How can an industry in a country where P4P prices increase during low season or during a period when there are less clients be a free market? That is the opposite of a free market if ever there was one. Its against the laws of supply and demand.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2335553]I am really bemused by guys who think the P4P industry follows the free market system. How can an industry in a country where P4P prices increase during low season or during a period when there are less clients be a free market? That is the opposite of a free market if ever there was one. Its against the laws of supply and demand.[/QUOTE]Well for a start you can't expect all girls to be the same price. They will go for what they can get, and depending on how difficult is the customer too. Don't expect them to drop the price when they know they can get more. Some girls on Soi 4 though, have to go for 1 K because no one will pay more. They just don't have the looks or performance.

Girls working in a fixed price MP will necessarily be mostly of a lower standard of looks because they could get more money elsewhere. However the girls still vary a lot. In Dozo, 80% of the girls just did not want to do me at all. Japanese / Korean / Chinese only. Dozo did not offer me a surcharge price. The 3 girls on offer were not sexy enough for my taste.

Low season, or economic crash, sees girls getting less customers, so they need to make more per customer than before. Somewhat reverse logic.

Sometimes girls are forced to leave a bar, because they can't compete with the other girls, and probably failed to offer customers super bargains. If they offered me a bargain, I would not take it. I want the pretty girls, even if not cheapest.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2335532]You don't think free lancer pickups at local night spots is a negotiable free market price? In Jakarta, the price varies each night depending on supply and demand. If there are lots of guys there that night, the price is higher than the nights where there are very few guys. It also depends how many girls are there and how good looking they are. The hottest girls do charge more because they know they are higher demand. I can get a plain jane in the same bar for much cheaper. I have given the exact same girl different amounts on different nights depending on supply and demand that night. The price also drops drastically right around closing time if the girl hasn't found anyone to take her yet. Sounds like a free market to me.[/QUOTE]No I don't. In FL joints it is driven by what the gal thinks she is worth or deserves and a lot by peer pressure from her friends. She won't back off a price even if she is hungry. Jakarta gals are probably wise enough to come off those prices when needed. BKK, fat chance.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2335549]Another reason why Jakarta is so much better than Thailand on so many levels. Imagine trying to pay a Thai FL 1000 baht for ST when you previously paid her 1500 baht?

Thai train of thought is if a girl only gets 1 customer per night during low season when she gets 2 customers per night during high season she doubles her price during low season so she can make the same amount of money.[/QUOTE]Yes, same goes for many things here in LOS.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2335553]I am really bemused by guys who think the P4P industry follows the free market system. How can an industry in a country where P4P prices increase during low season or during a period when there are less clients be a free market? That is the opposite of a free market if ever there was one. Its against the laws of supply and demand.[/QUOTE]It disproves the law of supply and demand. It isn't a law, it's an idea. An idea that is often abused. And in Thailand it is just an idea sometimes. Normally not. Even in the shopping malls. I'm sure most of you know that the major dept stores in Thailand hold very little merchandise. They rent space to the brand's distributor, so that X brand at Central and X brand at Emporium is actually the same folks. That's why there is no real price competition and why you will see the same prices all over town. There has been a bit of improvement with some outlets opening up.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2335604]She won't back off a price even if she is hungry.[/QUOTE]I don't agree with that. Right now, guys still have not returned after the end of Ramadan so customers are sparse in Jakarta. The free lance girls have dropped their prices from their normal asking. They also drop it during Ramadan right before they go home because they absolutely must have some money, they can't afford to go home alone any night unless there is no interest. Their families are quite demanding for cash at that time of year and there are few tourists or even expats in town due to Ramadan.

They do have "loss of face" issues when they get less money than the average. But I've been around long enough that they know I will never tell any girl how much I gave a different girl. If you are negotiating with a girl and tell her "I only gave that girl half of what you are asking!" You just screwed yourself because you just raised the price for every girl you meet from then on since none of them will trust you to keep your mouth shut about money.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2335605]Yes, same goes for many things here in LOS.[/QUOTE]Very similar here in Mexico as well.

My suspicion is that the same "philosophy" exists in many developing countries and it is 180 degrees different from the way a "business" is run in, say, the US.

In a developing country, if you lack customers you raise prices to make more money from the same customer base. In the US, if you lack customers, you have a "sale" to get more customers so you can make more money.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2335624]I don't agree with that. Right now, guys still have not returned after the end of Ramadan so customers are sparse in Jakarta. The free lance girls have dropped their prices from their normal asking. They also drop it during Ramadan right before they go home because they absolutely must have some money, they can't afford to go home alone any night unless there is no interest. Their families are quite demanding for cash at that time of year and there are few tourists or even expats in town due to Ramadan.

They do have "loss of face" issues when they get less money than the average. But I've been around long enough that they know I will never tell any girl how much I gave a different girl. If you are negotiating with a girl and tell her "I only gave that girl half of what you are asking!" You just screwed yourself because you just raised the price for every girl you meet from then on since none of them will trust you to keep your mouth shut about money.[/QUOTE]Thais are very different than Indonesians.

Pricing is different in different segments. Absolutely supply and demand plays a part on what you pay on the street but hardly at all in the go go scene where it more controlled by owners / operators.

If girls in a go go bar are not making enough money, will they drop their prices? IF what other posters write can be believed, they reckon can still get girls for low prices. I don't know how low is the standard of the girls or if the posters are truthful.

I think what is more prevalent is the girl will go to a different bar. I did one pretty girl in Baccara a couple of times, then she went to get a tit job. Not good. She then moved to Tilac, maybe not enough customers in Baccara.

2 other very poor performing girls Chocolate and Praow probably got no repeats in Doll House. Those two moved to Crazy house. Chocolate got a bad tit job done and had a baby.

Had a good time with Pin in Boss massage. She soon turned working the street on Soi 4. She was superior looking to most Soi 4 girls and explained she made more money there with a lot more customers.

If girls can't cut it in Thermae, they will soon move on and try elsewhere. Would they lower the price in Thermae? Maybe. Doubtful? But if they start on Soi 4 it will be a lower price.

In my line of work, I need the money, so rather than drop my prices, I am more likely to give them a lot of extra hours for free. They will get value. Win win. Some girls are smart enough to give extra special and time service for a bit more money but not all. The girls are not economics experts. Some idiots proposed that all girls should cost the same amount for fuck, regardless of looks and service and time. Obsurd! I am an expert in my technical field. Would stupid if I charged the same as every dumb non expert. However there will be charlatans that charge more of course, but what is delivered will be very average or worse.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2335837]If girls in a go go bar are not making enough money, will they drop their prices? IF what other posters write can be believed, they reckon can still get girls for low prices. I don't know how low is the standard of the girls or if the posters are truthful.

I think what is more prevalent is the girl will go to a different bar. I did one pretty girl in Baccara a couple of times, then she went to get a tit job. Not good. She then moved to Tilac, maybe not enough customers in Baccara.

2 other very poor performing girls Chocolate and Praow probably got no repeats in Doll House. Those two moved to Crazy house. Chocolate got a bad tit job done and had a baby.

Had a good time with Pin in Boss massage. She soon turned working the street on Soi 4. She was superior looking to most Soi 4 girls and explained she made more money there with a lot more customers..[/QUOTE]I saw a girl staring at me and smiling in thermae sitting on the island in the middle, in either Dec? Jan or Feb. I was with mr tooms, he noticed her smiling at me, I wasn't really interested.

A few days later I ran into her working on soi 4, I didn't know it was her but she remembered me, she was happy to see me, gave me her line and offered 1000 b session, I said maybe tomorrow? LOL.

I was still not interested, but I'm guessing her price would have been different in thermae? She was standing by the huge glass store front tattoo shop, I forget the name of it?

Isn't this called dynamic-pricing LMAO.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2335837]If girls in a go go bar are not making enough money, will they drop their prices? IF what other posters write can be believed, they reckon can still get girls for low prices. I don't know how low is the standard of the girls or if the posters are truthful.
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If girls can't cut it in Thermae, they will soon move on and try elsewhere. Would they lower the price in Thermae? Maybe. Doubtful? But if they start on Soi 4 it will be a lower price.
...[/QUOTE]Of course, this is purely anecdotal, but one of my hotter than most Left Side Thermae girls in my report a few days back went from 3,000 baht to 2,500 baht without my even saying anything, just hesitating a bit. During our discussion in the booth, she said she was giving me a discount (LOL. Who knows) because she and other girls were nervous that the cops were going to shut down Thermae again for drug testing any night. Apparently, Thermae's management had not been paying enough rice money lately or not in a timely manner. The cops had done that a couple of times in the recent past and the girls, for a while at least, were worried that they would be stuck in there for hours again with no chance of a customer while everyone was being tested.

Saw that girl in Thermae again last night. Aside from her and a handful of others, have to say Thermae's line up about 10:30 PM was one of the worst in terms of looks alone I have ever seen. I used to doubt or think it was an overstatement when guys said they could not find anything worth taking from Thermae on a given night. But last night would have been one of those nights for me. That particular girl I'd taken before was sitting with a youngish Japanese guy having a drink, discussing whatever and signaled for me to come over when he left to go to the toilet for a few minutes. Just to ask when I would take her again. But I would never bother to take her again without a full upfront agreement for BBFS+CIP, even if she offered me a discount under duress down to 500 baht.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2317144]So were you at Kazy or at Kozy? Kazy is the downstairs bar and Kozy is the upstairs bar. Different management apparently from what I was told by the staff, and possibly totally different styles. Kozy upstairs was reported to try to attract Asian customers like upstairs at Penny Black.
[/QUOTE]I'll do some searching on what Kazy and Kozy are. Guessing the replace the restaurant on the corner of Cowboy? Maybe work a visit this week.

But I've only used Penny Black as a ST hotel. What is upstairs?

[QUOTE=Pita123;2335935]I'll do some searching on what Kazy and Kozy are. Guessing the replace the restaurant on the corner of Cowboy? Maybe work a visit this week.

But I've only used Penny Black as a ST hotel. What is upstairs?[/QUOTE]Kazy Kozy has opened in place of Old Dutch. Kozy upstairs will not open until Kazy has too many customers. Seems it is really the same business.

If you are a guy that used to like Crazy House a few years back, then I think Kazy can work for you. It is already superior to CH for me, by the standard and types of the girls, more natural girls less surgeries.

I don't like the time wasted by running shows though. Kazy is not as good as CH when it first opened.

I already posted a lot more detail in previous reports. Forget about Penny Black. Some sort of karaoke maybe.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2335932]
Saw that girl in Thermae again last night. Aside from her and a handful of others, have to say Thermae's line up about 10:30 PM was one of the worst in terms of looks alone I have ever seen. I used to doubt or think it was an overstatement when guys said they could not find anything worth taking from Thermae on a given night. But last night would have been one of those nights for me. .[/QUOTE]I left Thermae many times empty handed. I would do the circuit and mentally note maybe 2 or 3 girls, but then would fail to get any of them. They would show zero interest or be taken by a Japanese guy very quick and lively. Clearly I was not picking really average looking girls. When I did get a girl, possibly more average looking, they proved unsatisfactory one way or another: surgeries, restrictions, dick scared, or disappointing body (hidden by clothing). Poor luck, or just a guy in the wrong place? Need to improve my selection technique clearly. "Girly can you just strip off for a moment first, give me a big tongue kiss and assure me you are desperate for extended time Farang cock?"

Maybe Thermae is a place where we need to see which girls want us the most, and then decide if they are doable or not. Not really my style. Plenty of chubby or average girls giving me the look, but I did not bite.

Clearly I am too slow to choose. Other guys work fast.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2335932]............ During our discussion in the booth, she said she was giving me a discount (LOL. Who knows) ............[/QUOTE]Reminds me of a place I mongered in many years ago (can't recall where) where I would enter the establishment and the girls would come up to me saying "promotion, promotion" and would state the price which they claim was a reduced price. It was their sales pitch.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2335956]I already posted a lot more detail in previous reports. Forget about Penny Black. Some sort of karaoke maybe.[/QUOTE]Penny Black is actually quite a cool place. It is a nightclub focusing only on Hip-Hop music. So if you are into this spesific music genre it is actually one of the best in Bangkok. The entry downstairs to Penny Black has a bar and also now has outside seating. Nice place for people watching but very small. First floor is a newly remade pool bar. Second floor is a Karaoke bar. Third floor is the nightclub. Above is a short time hotel, but I never tried it. All venues has been updated recently with very nice decor in urban style. So all in all this complex is a very cool part of Soi Cowboy, but it is hard to see from the outside. All venues are owned by the same owner that operate Long Gun and Cactus. The nightclub gets going from 2-3 am and is popular by go-go girls after their work. Some nights can be really good here and the place is packed. I personally can not stand most of the music in go-go bars. I like classic rock from the 60- and 70's. But for some weird reason I am into Hip Hop! Combined with lots of sexy girls some nights this is one of the best nightclubs in Bangkok for me. Compared to Therma it is heaven!

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2335844]A few days later I ran into her working on soi 4, I didn't know it was her but she remembered me, she was happy to see me, gave me her line and offered 1000 b session, I said maybe tomorrow? LOL.

I was still not interested, but I'm guessing her price would have been different in thermae?[/QUOTE]Yes, it would have. It's common for girls to have a different price in different venues.

In Pattaya it's especially common for the same girl to ask 700 on Beach Road and substantially more on Walking Street or in the discos.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2335844]I saw a girl staring at me and smiling in thermae sitting on the island in the middle, in either Dec? Jan or Feb. I was with mr tooms, he noticed her smiling at me, I wasn't really interested.

A few days later I ran into her working on soi 4, I didn't know it was her but she remembered me, she was happy to see me, gave me her line and offered 1000 b session, I said maybe tomorrow? LOL.

I was still not interested, but I'm guessing her price would have been different in thermae? She was standing by the huge glass store front tattoo shop, I forget the name of it?

Isn't this called dynamic-pricing LMAO.[/QUOTE]Venue specific pricing has always been part of the Bkk FL scene.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2335956]
I already posted a lot more detail in previous reports.[/QUOTE]Found them. Thanks. As our tastes are similar, I'll need to check it out.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2336010]But for some weird reason I am into Hip Hop! Combined with lots of sexy girls some nights this is one of the best nightclubs in Bangkok for me. Compared to Therma it is heaven![/QUOTE]I love hip hop. But 2 AM I want to be in bed. Really hope reincarnation is real. I need to reincarnate into a younger body!

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2335844]I saw a girl staring at me and smiling in thermae sitting on the island in the middle, in either Dec? Jan or Feb. I was with mr tooms, he noticed her smiling at me, I wasn't really interested.
[/QUOTE]She was not only staring and smiling, she had to crane her neck from where she was sitting and look behind her, back in our direction to keep giving you goo-goo eyes. LOL. That is why I noticed her. I don't remember her too specifically except that I thought she seemed more in line with what is on offer at Thermae rather than what is typically seen standing on Soi 4. And I can't say I have seen her in either venue or location since a week or so after we saw her at Thermae. Maybe she tried to hold firm to her likely 2,500 baht Thermae rate on Soi 4, got discouraged and decided to take it online.

[QUOTE=Pita123;2336073]I love hip hop. But 2 AM I want to be in bed. Really hope reincarnation is real. I need to reincarnate into a younger body![/QUOTE]I've never been happier and I'm 51 yo.

Speaking of which? Any members over 75?

I'd love to hear what to expect as we get older?

Can we monger when we are 80? 85? 90? 95?

Please opine.

[QUOTE=Pita123;2336069]Found them. Thanks. As our tastes are similar, I'll need to check it out.[/QUOTE]Not really. I hate hip hop (mostly with exceptions). Still I am older so makes sense. Definitely Rock for me although not the 60s more the 80s (too young for 60s).

I did think one of your ex GFs was really nice to talk to and desirable, but seems you left her. Ha ha. Can't recall her name now. Hidden drawbacks I guess.

Most of my GFs left me, but with one I was persistent enough to get her back.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2336258]Not really. I hate hip hop (mostly with exceptions). Still I am older so makes sense. Definitely Rock for me although not the 60s more the 80s (too young for 60s).

I did think one of your ex GFs was really nice to talk to and desirable, but seems you left her. Ha ha. Can't recall her name now. Hidden drawbacks I guess.

Most of my GFs left me, but with one I was persistent enough to get her back.[/QUOTE]I definitely meant when it comes to girls, not music. Natural. Thin. No surgeries.

The one you are referring to, from Buriram, is living in Scandinavia.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2336010]Penny Black is actually quite a cool place. It is a nightclub focusing only on Hip-Hop music. So if you are into this spesific music genre it is actually one of the best in Bangkok. The entry downstairs to Penny Black has a bar and also now has outside seating. Nice place for people watching but very small. First floor is a newly remade pool bar. Second floor is a Karaoke bar. Third floor is the nightclub. Above is a short time hotel, but I never tried it. All venues has been updated recently with very nice decor in urban style. So all in all this complex is a very cool part of Soi Cowboy, but it is hard to see from the outside. All venues are owned by the same owner that operate Long Gun and Cactus. The nightclub gets going from 2-3 am and is popular by go-go girls after their work. Some nights can be really good here and the place is packed. I personally can not stand most of the music in go-go bars. I like classic rock from the 60- and 70's. But for some weird reason I am into Hip Hop! Combined with lots of sexy girls some nights this is one of the best nightclubs in Bangkok for me. Compared to Therma it is heaven![/QUOTE]Thanks for the update on this place, 10 years back when the place opened I stayed there for a day and night prior to leaving for an early morning flight back to the USA They had a promotional rate something like 700 baht, the place as noted was small but the room was really nice and decorated well still remember the night I spent there with a girl I met at Annie's a real gem and stunner a night to this day I still remember and dream about. Last year, walking around Soi Cowboy I dropped by out of curiosity old time sake and keeping options opened what the prices for rooms noted I believe 1500 baht nothing mention about them being ST rooms, and did noticed the club.

Whenever I visit Bangkok I usually stay around the Nana Area out of old habits which is at the Nana Hotel for one reason alone in the old days the Disco, which got going around 1 AM, the place was packed with freelancer easy to just take the elevator to your room sounds like Penny Black might be something very similar today which is something to check out but the drawback can I stay up that late? Boy how things have changed?

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2336010]Penny Black is actually quite a cool place. It is a nightclub focusing only on Hip-Hop music. So if you are into this spesific music genre it is actually one of the best in Bangkok. ![/QUOTE]I never even knew this place existed. One thing I always find lacking in BKK is late night clubs compared to Pattaya. The clubs all close early.

Is there any other good late night clubs these days? Whats the best club to find hotties nowadays in BKK? I know of Mixx, levels, and Insomnia but they haven't given me the best of luck so far.

I used to love Climax. That place was always good for a pickup. I had quite a few fun nights in Bangkok Beat before it closed. Was more of a MILFy crowd in there but sometimes you could find a gem.

[QUOTE=Pita123;2336277]I definitely meant when it comes to girls, not music. Natural. Thin. No surgeries.

The one you are referring to, from Buriram, is living in Scandinavia.[/QUOTE]I sympathize with Thais in Scandinavia. Air is too cold and dry causing a lot of sinus problems.
Cleaners in my Stockholm hotel were Thai so I chatted to them about adjustment problems and to find out if there were any decent Thai restaurants.
I have an ex Thai semi-GF living there now. She seems to cope with the weather, but I cannot.

I now live part time in very rural Thailand. Hot and sticky, bugs and dust.

Supply of pretty non surgeries girls is getting thin these days in Bangkok P4P scene. Some seem to like the surgeries.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2336291]still remember the night I spent there with a girl I met at Annie's a real gem and stunner a night to this day I still remember and dream about. [/QUOTE]Wow you dropped off the name on purpose? Can't say I met any stunning enough to still dream about at Annies. I do say a small number were very doable and even had some LTs with Aor (pre sillies). Her big nose stopped her from being stunning but quite nice.

Eventually they phased out LT take outs I believe.

Hi guys! Although I have been often to BKK, never went to Thaniya; but see so many attractive gilrs outside on videos, so must have a look. Question: are these many girls sitting outside on the street in various outfits just to attract into a Karaoke club or it is possible to take them directly to hotel? If so, how much do they ask for? (I am european, not asian). Thanks for more infos, will report of coruse!

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2336353]Hi guys! Although I have been often to BKK, never went to Thaniya; but see so many attractive gilrs outside on videos, so must have a look. Question: are these many girls sitting outside on the street in various outfits just to attract into a Karaoke club or it is possible to take them directly to hotel? If so, how much do they ask for? (I am european, not asian). Thanks for more infos, will report of coruse![/QUOTE]Most of the clubs on Thaniya are Japanese only.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2336424]Most of the clubs on Thaniya are Japanese only.[/QUOTE]No problem. Wear these. They have worked every time I have tried them.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2336424]Most of the clubs on Thaniya are Japanese only.[/QUOTE]Yes I know, Goatscrot! On a Youtube video today I saw a HD report of Thaniya with all the girls sitting outside in a raw with a mamasan; she explains 800 Bath take out fee and 700 B for 1 h (cheap! I am not interested in entering a K bar! Just pick up a girl and back to my hotel. So this was my question: do these girls just go with you to sing some stupid karaoke or can I pick her up directly like any other places in BKK. ?

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[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2336567]Yes I know, Goatscrot! On a Youtube video today I saw a HD report of Thaniya with all the girls sitting outside in a raw with a mamasan; she explains 800 Bath take out fee and 700 B for 1 h (cheap! I am not interested in entering a K bar! Just pick up a girl and back to my hotel. So this was my question: do these girls just go with you to sing some stupid karaoke or can I pick her up directly like any other places in BKK. ?[/QUOTE]Can you post a link to the YouTube video? The amounts vary greatly depending on the bar. 800 per hour for usage of a large VIP karaoke room and 700 baht per hour per girl to join you in the room for singing ONLY seems more reasonable. I think the girl I wanted one night was 1500 baht per hour just for her. Maybe that's the Farang price? Add room, drinks, food, extra tip for the girl since the quoted amount is only for singing and companionship, etc. and it was a huge pass no matter how good looking she was. I did try to get her Line but that didn't go over well with mamasan or the girl.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2336425]No problem. Wear these. They have worked every time I have tried them.[/QUOTE][URL]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Micropenis_measuring_with_device.jpg[/URL]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2336336]Wow you dropped off the name on purpose? Can't say I met any stunning enough to still dream about at Annies. I do say a small number were very doable and even had some LTs with Aor (pre sillies). Her big nose stopped her from being stunning but quite nice.

Eventually they phased out LT take outs I believe.[/QUOTE]I have a bit of a hearing problem I can never get the tones? This particularly girl I met at Annies, her name was something like Ae her #1. I usually don't pay too much attention to the name then I didn't even have a cell phone to retain names etc like today. The biggest reason I tend to talk in my sleep and that is not good when you are married? The way I met her was not picking her out of the fishbowl, I was sitting at the bar having a drink waiting for my cousins when she walked by gave me a stare and I back to her as you noted not or any stunners at Annies so she really caught my attention shorter version skin tone and hair tie back ponytail reminded me of J-Lo she was in street clothes.

The girl bartender I think Annies daughter? Saw the drool on my face said " you like " said the girl is her good friend and she has already been BF customers coming in a few hours. I ended up talking to her buying her a drink etc. As they say we hit it off next thing I know we are in one of the rooms when she undressed wow everything natural, no tattoos, or surgery or baby. I'm not a big fan of soapy but the session was great and the sex was memorable and if she wasn't already BF I would have taken her out for the rest of the day. Nevertheless, I got her contact email since I had to come back in a week and do business at the Embassy I made an arrangement with her and told her to meet me at Penny Black.

That evening we went across town to outdoor seafood and small roast pig restaurant with also had Thai dancing. We drank like locals and she was having a great time dancing local style as if it was Songkran in the end back to the room with the liquor in me and her not often it was BBFS all night with her. Sadly it was the last time I saw her because being with her that evening I knew what she was after like many wanted out wanted a sponsor she wasn't innocent but in the business for a while hardcore. It took me a while to get over her and that night all left now is memories it was also the last time I visited Annies.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2336620]I have a bit of a hearing problem I can never get the tones? This particularly girl I met at Annies, her name was something like Ae her #1. I usually don't pay too much attention to the name then I didn't even have a cell phone to retain names etc like today. The biggest reason I tend to talk in my sleep and that is not good when you are married? The way I met her was not picking her out of the fishbowl, I was sitting at the bar having a drink waiting for my cousins when she walked by gave me a stare and I back to her as you noted not or any stunners at Annies so she really caught my attention shorter version skin tone and hair tie back ponytail reminded me of J-Lo she was in street clothes.

The girl bartender I think Annies daughter? Saw the drool on my face said " you like " said the girl is her good friend and she has already been BF customers coming in a few hours. I ended up talking to her buying her a drink etc. As they say we hit it off next thing I know we are in one of the rooms when she undressed wow everything natural, no tattoos, or surgery or baby. I'm not a big fan of soapy but the session was great and the sex was memorable and if she wasn't already BF I would have taken her out for the rest of the day. Nevertheless, I got her contact email since I had to come back in a week and do business at the Embassy I made an arrangement with her and told her to meet me at Penny Black.

That evening we went across town to outdoor seafood and small roast pig restaurant with also had Thai dancing. We drank like locals and she was having a great time dancing local style as if it was Songkran in the end back to the room with the liquor in me and her not often it was BBFS all night with her. Sadly it was the last time I saw her because being with her that evening I knew what she was after like many wanted out wanted a sponsor she wasn't innocent but in the business for a while hardcore. It took me a while to get over her and that night all left now is memories it was also the last time I visited Annies.[/QUOTE]Your question marks seem to be on statements. Not clear if you want to ask something or not.

The Thai name Ae or Aey actually has more than one possible tone. Some "Ae" persons are flat tone, some are rising tone. Pronounced somewhere between AY (as in Pay) and AIR. Different tone makes it a different name. Noi is another name with variations, high tone or low tone. For names, it does not really matter if you can't pick the tone.

I guess if giving #1 would be a top girl likely. I don't remember what she looked like. Actually I was not a frequent visitor there, but would try many different places, and years ago, a soapy fan. I always described Annies as a cross between soapy and an Oily MP, or perhaps closer to a Nuru MP. Several aspects were different to a typical Soapy. Now closed after a raid due to illegal use of underground water (is the very strong rumour), as were several other soapies doing the same thing.

Annies daughter is called Aey and was major owner of the Annies chain (including the Soi 7/1 bars). Some girls I knew worked Annies and Soi 7/1 as well, depending on the day and staff shortages. Claims they were very independent businesses were laughable. Just someone spinning an official line.

It seems unlikely that Aey would work as a bartender (miles below her station) but many years ago just possible she was behind the bar when bartender at the toilet, or similar. I did see her many years ago (on some visits) but she possibly was not much spending so much time at Annies in recent years. I met "Annie" herself once and had a very brief chat. In fact I think Aey introduced Annie. Before that I might not have known I was seeing Annie working there.

Annies was a place to chat to the oldies briefly about ancient history. One older staff person, was a friend of a girl I used to do at the Thermae Soapy, back in 1991. Ha ha. Annie herself would know the whole early history of mongering on lower Sukhumvit. I always wanted to know the details of the very first soapy I went to on Sukhumvit which was not Annies but not far away. Maybe on Soi 2 also but unsure. Its long gone. Was larger than Annies and had a car park. The year was about 1983.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2336608][URL]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Micropenis_measuring_with_device.jpg[/URL][/QUOTE]That *****. I told that girl not to share that photo with anyone.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2335837]If girls in a go go bar are not making enough money, will they drop their prices? IF what other posters write can be believed, they reckon can still get girls for low prices. I don't know how low is the standard of the girls or if the posters are truthful.


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In my line of work, I need the money, so rather than drop my prices, I am more likely to give them a lot of extra hours for free. They will get value. Win win. Some girls are smart enough to give extra special and time service for a bit more money but not all. The girls are not economics experts. Some idiots proposed that all girls should cost the same amount for fuck, regardless of looks and service and time. Obsurd! I am an expert in my technical field. Would stupid if I charged the same as every dumb non expert. However there will be charlatans that charge more of course, but what is delivered will be very average or worse.[/QUOTE]Yeah right on about them not knowing prices.

Thats a big Thai thing, dropping prices to get more business just isn't a concept that is prevalent in Thailand (or SE Asia). They'd rather get MUCH less business at more cash than be "degraded' by being cheap, even if it means less money overall, they don't understand the trade offs of cheaper + more customers and such once they've raised the prices, that's generally the price and its not going back down. These girls, and hell a lot of the service industry in Thailand, just have a completely different concept of pricing structures than the West.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2336580]Can you post a link to the YouTube video? The amounts vary greatly depending on the bar. 800 per hour for usage of a large VIP karaoke room and 700 baht per hour per girl to join you in the room for singing ONLY seems more reasonable. I think the girl I wanted one night was 1500 baht per hour just for her. Maybe that's the Farang price? Add room, drinks, food, extra tip for the girl since the quoted amount is only for singing and companionship, etc. and it was a huge pass no matter how good looking she was. I did try to get her Line but that didn't go over well with mamasan or the girl.[/QUOTE]Oh my god, I am not looking for a girl to sing, rather moan, LOL! I did not realize that singing was the story, which explains the low price. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2336353]Hi guys! Although I have been often to BKK, never went to Thaniya; but see so many attractive gilrs outside on videos, so must have a look. Question: are these many girls sitting outside on the street in various outfits just to attract into a Karaoke club or it is possible to take them directly to hotel? If so, how much do they ask for? (I am european, not asian). Thanks for more infos, will report of coruse![/QUOTE]You have to ask the manager about take out. It depends on each girl. The cost is comparable to go go bar. The BF will be higher if you want to take her directly to hotel. The room fee for 1 hour including drinks and some snacks so it is not too bad. LD is extra with price similar to go go bar. This is the most common fee structure in Japan town. The easiest thing to do is just ask the manager before you go in. Sometime they may offer you a fixed price for 1 or 2 hours in the KTV room.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2336696]Yeah right on about them not knowing prices.

Thats a big Thai thing, dropping prices to get more business just isn't a concept that is prevalent in Thailand (or SE Asia). They'd rather get MUCH less business at more cash than be "degraded' by being cheap, even if it means less money overall, they don't understand the trade offs of cheaper + more customers and such once they've raised the prices, that's generally the price and its not going back down. These girls, and hell a lot of the service industry in Thailand, just have a completely different concept of pricing structures than the West.[/QUOTE]I think Thai P4P girls know very little, I would say virtually nothing, about the going rate anywhere outside their current venue or station. It isn't as though they do market research or send shoppers out to price/service compare before they settle on an asking price. For the most part, go-go girls and Thermae girls have no idea there are dozens of girls their own age accepting 400-500 baht (after the bar takes its cut) to give customers a BBBJ+CIM in several nearby BJ Bars, including the room and no tip required. They don't know what kind of money and for what kind of service massage shop girls get and visa versa. They don't have a clue what kind of rates FLs standing right across the soi from their own go-go bar are getting. And those FLs probably have ridiculous notions about what go-go girls make in a month and what they generally provide in the room.

A newbie, first time Bkk punter would know more about the competition in terms of price and service from one venue to another in 2 nights than most seasoned P4P girls will ever know or will ever care to know.

There is the rare crossover where a previous Thermae girl finds herself standing in front of Nana Hotel trying to pull customers. But she probably becomes quickly discouraged when she discovers her 2,500 baht going rate in Thermae is a non starter out in the wild.

I think they don't know because they don't care to know, don't want to reveal that they don't know and therefore never ask, never question what they are doing and for how much, don't really approach any of it as a business in that way. That would require effort. And a willingness to admit to themselves that they actually are working in the sex for pay industry. It isn't so much that their practice of raising their price when customer traffic is low is a bad business model, it is that they have no business model at all. All they know is they didn't make as much money this week as they did last week so they have to start asking for more.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2336608][URL]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Micropenis_measuring_with_device.jpg[/URL][/QUOTE]Arh. The classic MDMA pill dick!

Why do we pay a hooker for intercourse?(sure I like to think I don't, I only pay them to go away hahaha).

If a man and a hooker are say both "9's" or even "8's" or "7's".

Why do we pay her for sex and what are we getting for the money?

Why she getting cash for something she likes to do for free?

If you look why women want money / resources in the non hooker market, it might be said they are at risk of pregnancy and at one point many years ago HIV.

Which begs the question what are the guys that are paying for sex with a hooker and using a condom, paying for and why?

If a hooker that is a "9" or "10" has sex with an "unattractive" guy one might say that's why hes paying?

If you take age out of the equation, what does that leave?

I'm 51 yo I like 18-19 yo hookers.

I don't think I look 51 yo if I'm asking about their age and they happen to ask mine I always say 29 yo.

1-2 in the last few yrs have said I think you're older than that, but my age should me moot.

Why do so many of us happily pay for what is ordinarily free for 99.999999% of the species.

My personal answer is probably the age differential.

I'm 51 yo I cannot go into a club and get an 18 yo 7 days a week.

I want to be like mr tooms when I'm 67 with his 21 yo GF that's a 46 yr differential.

I want to be 77 yo with an 18 yo GF.

And 87 yo.

And 97 yo.

I'm sure behavioral psychologists could add many chapters to my summary.

But if you can please opine.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2336335]

Supply of pretty non surgeries girls is getting thin these days in Bangkok P4P scene. Some seem to like the surgeries.[/QUOTE]Caught up with someone who used to share info here on ISG this eve. We ended up in Patpong. Hadn't been in years. Thigh Bar had a number of lithe, natural cuties tonight. Haven't seen this type in Cowboy I'm a while.

[QUOTE=Pita123;2336932]We ended up in Patpong. Hadn't been in years. Thigh Bar had a number of lithe, natural cuties tonight. Haven't seen this type in Cowboy I'm a while.[/QUOTE]I'm still amazed how guys continue to keep going to and b1tching about Nana and Cowboy and don't go to Patpong. Girls in Patpong are WAY friendlier. The girls are more hands on and there's MUCH more tonsil hockey. Sure there aren't many girls in any single bar but just walk around and enjoy the laid back atmosphere in Patpong. Guys like Syzy would like the more natural looking girls in Patpong. Taxi from Thermae to Patpong is less than 100 baht!

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2336696]Yeah right on about them not knowing prices.

Thats a big Thai thing, dropping prices to get more business just isn't a concept that is prevalent in Thailand (or SE Asia). They'd rather get MUCH less business at more cash than be "degraded' by being cheap, even if it means less money overall, they don't understand the trade offs of cheaper + more customers and such once they've raised the prices, that's generally the price and its not going back down. These girls, and hell a lot of the service industry in Thailand, just have a completely different concept of pricing structures than the West.[/QUOTE]Venue specific pricing always works like an union but the price is more like minimum advertised price, and it gives girls better bargain position. Air fare works similarly. When one airline raise price, other airlines will follow. You should not have problem finding more examples.

If you look at Smooci, it has a much wider range of prices. Inside Thermae, the flexibility is often in the form of services provided. The less desirable ones usually offer more or better services, and will be more flexible. The prices are also more flexible outside Thermae, LB or not, also when they make deal outside after closing time.

I am pretty sure one will see price lowered if the girls are like stocked merchandise that has an associated capital cost.

I don't disagree with members who say there is no free market. That is one perspective but that also means US is not a free market. That is not the definition some other members used here so we are really discussing two different things that happen to have the same name.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2336759]I'm 51 yo I like 18-19 yo hookers.[/QUOTE]Don't stay at Dynasty Grande then, your girls won't be able to get in the hotel since they are under 20 years old.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2336988]Don't stay at Dynasty Grande then, your girls won't be able to get in the hotel since they are under 20 years old.[/QUOTE]I don't ask ages I'm just going off of my guessing.

When in a bar I look for the ones on the fresher end of the spectrum.

I love the Asian concept of "over the hill" for females.

I heard it is 25 yo?

The "leftovers" in society?

I believe my preference is based on my experience that.

"in general" the higher the mileage on a hooker (lifetime customers serviced) the shittier the attitude and service.

This is a generalization and of course there are always outliers and YMMV.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2336936]I'm still amazed how guys continue to keep going to and b1tching about Nana and Cowboy and don't go to Patpong. Girls in Patpong are WAY friendlier. The girls are more hands on and there's MUCH more tonsil hockey. Sure there aren't many girls in any single bar but just walk around and enjoy the laid back atmosphere in Patpong. Guys like Syzy would like the more natural looking girls in Patpong. Taxi from Thermae to Patpong is less than 100 baht![/QUOTE]Going to check it out more.

Any specific bar suggestions?

Any good ST hotels in those sois?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2336936]I'm still amazed how guys continue to keep going to and b1tching about Nana and Cowboy and don't go to Patpong. Girls in Patpong are WAY friendlier. The girls are more hands on and there's MUCH more tonsil hockey. Sure there aren't many girls in any single bar but just walk around and enjoy the laid back atmosphere in Patpong. Guys like Syzy would like the more natural looking girls in Patpong. Taxi from Thermae to Patpong is less than 100 baht![/QUOTE]I haven't been to Patpong in about 10 years because it always sucked. It had too many lady boys, and not enough pretty REAL girls. Busy as all hell due to that big market in the middle of it and around it, lots of tourists. The ping pong shows had women that are over 50 years old doing the shows. It sounds like it has changed drastically if you are saying there is a laid back atmosphere there. In the past, that place was far from laid back.

I was in Bangkok the last couple of weeks. Soi Cowboy did suck and is a shell of it's old self. Nana was pretty good though. I didn't try patpong due to it sucking so bad in the past.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2337060]I haven't been to Patpong in about 10 years because it always sucked. It had too many lady boys, and not enough pretty REAL girls. Busy as all hell due to that big market in the middle of it and around it, lots of tourists. The ping pong shows had women that are over 50 years old doing the shows. It sounds like it has changed drastically if you are saying there is a laid back atmosphere there. In the past, that place was far from laid back.

I was in Bangkok the last couple of weeks. Soi Cowboy did suck and is a shell of it's old self. Nana was pretty good though. I didn't try patpong due to it sucking so bad in the past.[/QUOTE]ET is right that outside Cowboy bars may have a real good looking girl (hopefully non LB) to pull you in, but inside can be dull.

I have been to Phat Phong again a few times, also with Natty. There are signs of improvement. Some bars were still a bit over rated, like Bada Bing, Electric Blue (I think as the name) and Black Pagoda. Some bars still had a lot of surgeries. However good signs of improvement, so that definitely an option, in the Kings Castle group.

One day sitting with Natty, the girl I liked happened to be same girl I had previously fucked in Twisters at Nana. Took me a few minutes to realise I knew her already. So that means the girls were not especially superior to my taste but competitive, and fine for those less fussy about "enhanced girls".

There are sections with whole rows of ladyboy bars, or something else wrong I forget the detail now. Some bars have Coyotes that can't be barfined I think. However selecting the right bars, can be fine. As I used to stay in Silom are a lot, could be even convenient. Taxi can get to Phat Phong late at night in just 10 minutes or so from Sukhumvit, depending on starting point (I guess I am thinking of getting there from Cowboy straight down Ratchadaphisek).

As I like a bit of full nudity, I might be converted if full nudity comes in, and naturally topless with G string would be a huge bonus (near enough to nude). I have not been there enough to be really expert. I certainly used Phat Phong bars a lot in the early 90's, avoiding the rip off joints. I think regular customers do not have a problem with rip offs so much but some rip off bars may still exist.

Now that Cowboy has rip off bars, abundant Coyotes and ladyboys, abundant surgeries girls, and the doll look intended for the Asian customers, and abundant fatties and uglies in some bars, it definitely falls well below the standard of yesteryear. No advantages over Nana and Phat Phong that it used to have. I have basically quit Crazy House now. Kazy is possible for occasional visit (with skinny girls) but don't like the frequency of shows. Yet to actually BF there. Scared of the pretty girl's inexperience and shyness. Tough to tell if she will be fine or another dud. In Nana I don't really find any bar to consistently interest me now with Billboard still the best for me, to have some superior looking skinny girls. Pretty faces, not that many but some. Cowboy still has some bars with full nudity, however standard of the girls varies. I can ignore a bar full of nude fatties (e. G. Long Gun) as long as there are 1 or 2 girls worth looking at. Had a visits to Doll House and Lighthouse but did not find any girl sufficiently interesting to the fussy spec. Shows the decline of Cowboy for me.

I still need a basically natural and skinny girl bar showing the body properly. Alas too many bars, cannot see the tits properly. Can't stand double layer bras. My visits to bars declines greatly, and prefer to visit known girls, maybe in the bar, maybe outside. I don't have the psychology where need to fuck every girl, so don't have to keep changing girls, and increasingly the probability of crappy sessions. No point changing from a good girl to a bad one.

Plenty of girls I tried, sadly disappeared from contactability, so don't know where they went. Otherwise would still be repeating them.

Its all about specific girls for me, not really bars, but have to be able to find a good girl or two. Would be silly to stick to one bar area. Have to try Phat Phong as well if time available, unless giving it all away. Actually I don't use Soi 22 bars at all, it seems like an expat style area with girls of consistently low quality looks (at least I did not find anything). We never seem to get reports about specific bars there, only MPs, and I usually struggle to find anything much in the MPs there as well. Definitely the soi for very average girls. I bet there are few Japanese there (at a guess).

[QUOTE=Pita123;2337029]Going to check it out more.

Any specific bar suggestions?

Any good ST hotels in those sois?[/QUOTE]I think Natty Bumpo has mentioned the names of specific Phat Phong bars, that he enjoyed fairly recently, and his taste is quite similar to mine, maybe a bit more forgiving of nose jobs and sillies. He does not take any pudgy girls and the face has to be superior. He does not need big tits (same as me). Possibly the ones with "Castle" in the name that also don't have Ladyboys.

BB said more natural looking girls in PP, but I am not sure I noticed that. Many guys don't care and may not even suspect a nose job (they are getting so abundant these days). A very subtle one can still be a pass for me, but some of the Thai TV big stars have quite ugly nose jobs to my taste, and I think how on earth did she get to be the leading lady, with such a distracting nose? Do Thai men get nose jobs or sillies? Not much if they are not a LB. I guess only the gay guys dye the hair blonde too.

BB mentioned more relaxed, and better attitude girls. I think that is important. No one needs a pressure bar.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2336759]I'm 51 yo I like 18-19 yo hookers.
[/QUOTE]Why would a hot 18 to 19 YO want to fuck a 51 YO? She won't know in advance if you are going to send her to heaven or not. Even so she may know someone good much younger and in good shape.

Non hookers are giving away sex for free, but not every single day, and they may have a BF, and they can be choosy if good looking.

So why do we pay? We don't want to waste hours and hours trying to get a fuck. We just simply want to get it straight away, and pay for that privilege. Many of us have a GF or wife, so not looking for additional semi "GFs". Some of us advanced porno services that the average Thai girl is not going to provide or not be good at it.

In Thailand, non hooker GFs can be poor and so still work out more expensive per fuck than hookers. So there are still economic aspects to it. All girls are hookers, merely they have a different price. Not quite true. All my young hot regular girls are getting some economic support from me, even if has not been on a per fuck basis. So we could say they are all hookers in a way. I don't have any rich young girls with the hots for me. I have significantly more money than them.

In past I had Thai GF would was absolutely not a hooker, but worked as a Thai chef. I still paid the majority of the accommodation and household bills, because she could not afford it. However she saved a hell of a lot of money as was thifty and good at saving. She had to support several family members though. Sex was infrequent. She cost me far per fuck than a hooker. Definitely not worthwhile. I should have been taught to choose only girls with means. Even my ex Farang wife cost me too much on a per bad fuck basis, and she had a good job. If I had no wives/GFs ever and only did hookers, I would be richer now.

Sure its great if you can find a hot young thing who wants your body only and no money. Paying is just so much easier, even if guys do not have a wife / GF. All my past GFs that were giving me sufficient good sex, were psycho in some way, so hard to live with. If you have a stable of hot young girls all wanting your body and no money, then you are probably "Brad Pitt" or similar. At 60+ I am still wanting girls 35 or less, have a Mrs already, so its just easier to pay. I could try to get a liason going with sweet pretty little thing at the sports pub (mid 30's but still looks good) similar to my GF but smaller still, who seems to like me, and I know she would like to have a BF, but I just can't do it her. She deserves a proper BF. I know she is not looking for a guy just for sex.

When I first came to Thailand, a hot eager girl for the whole night cost so little, it was a no brainer. Just silly to sleep alone.

Some guys like the challenge to get girls for free, some can't be bothered. Some girls were shocked to find out they did not get paid, but were too timid to argue. No price had been mentioned beforehand. I read many reports from guys about girl for free where I suspected she was hoping for some economic help. If she specifically says she won't accept money, that is different. Thailand has always had many borerline or semi-hookers. I was told by taxi drivers in Ratchada, that many girls going to a disco, were hoping to get taken by a guy (even a Thai guy maybe), but also hoping to make at least 1K. Very cheap price but not aiming to go for free. Girls will very well paid jobs or rich, don't need economic motives for sex.

Always bear in mind the girl has a risk of pregnancy (especially if no condoms) and very few get abortions. Morning after pills is underutilised. Most birth control methods are fallible. Girl should have two complimentary methods in place to reduce risk. My Mrs still has periods, so has to take the pill. She was thinking about injection since not good at taking pills on time.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2337115]Why would a hot 18 to 19 YO want to fuck a 51 YO? She won't know in advance if you are going to send her to heaven or not. Even so she may know someone good much younger and in good shape.

Non hookers are giving away sex for free, but not every single day, and they may have a BF, and they can be choosy if good looking.

So why do we pay? We don't want to waste hours and hours trying to get a fuck. We just simply want to get it straight away, and pay for that privilege. Many of us have a GF or wife, so not looking for additional semi "GFs". Some of us advanced porno services that the average Thai girl is not going to provide or not be good at it.

In Thailand, non hooker GFs can be poor and so still work out more expensive per fuck than hookers. So there are still economic aspects to it. All girls are hookers, merely they have a different price. Not quite true. All my young hot regular girls are getting some economic support from me, even if has not been on a per fuck basis. So we could say they are all hookers in a way. I don't have any rich young girls with the hots for me. I have significantly more money than them..[/QUOTE]As the axiom goes.

The most expensive pussy is free pussy!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2337115]Why would a hot 18 to 19 YO want to fuck a 51 YO? She won't know in advance if you are going to send her to heaven or not. Even so she may know someone good much younger and in good shape.

Non hookers are giving away sex for free, but not every single day, and they may have a BF, and they can be choosy if good looking.

So why do we pay? We don't want to waste hours and hours trying to get a fuck. We just simply want to get it straight away, and pay for that privilege. Many of us have a GF or wife, so not looking for additional semi "GFs". Some of us advanced porno services that the average Thai girl is not going to provide or not be good at it.

In Thailand, non hooker GFs can be poor and so still work out more expensive per fuck than hookers. So there are still economic aspects to it. All girls are hookers, merely they have a different price. Not quite true. All my young hot regular girls are getting some economic support from me, even if has not been on a per fuck basis. So we could say they are all hookers in a way. I don't have any rich young girls with the hots for me. I have significantly more money than them.

In past I had Thai GF would was absolutely not a hooker, but worked as a Thai chef. I still paid the majority of the accommodation and household bills, because she could not afford it. However she saved a hell of a lot of money as was thifty and good at saving. She had to support several family members though. Sex was infrequent. She cost me far per fuck than a hooker. Definitely not worthwhile. I should have been taught to choose only girls with means. Even my ex Farang wife cost me too much on a per bad fuck basis, and she had a good job. If I had no wives/GFs ever and only did hookers, I would be richer now..[/QUOTE]Why fuck me? Like I said I'm pretty sure I don't look 51, when I tell just about anyone they don't believe me?

Secondly / additionally, I've heard some / many Asian girls see fucking white guys as a status symbol? At least according to my best friend which happens to be Korean.

Also I think I get more attention then some, I have very blonde hair and blue eyes.

I'm guessing none of these factors hurt, I do better in BKK than I could have ever expected and even better in AC.

Where white guys with any semblance of sanity are quite an endangered species.

This seems to help more in non white countries (not as much in say FKK land or Canada for example) where blonde hair blue eyed white guys are pretty common.

It was very difficult to monger in Russia mostly because almost nobody speaks English, but in spite of that I did nail a few very very hot hookers.

I'm guessing because I was "exotic"? A male friend I met, said most have never met or even seen an american before let alone fucked one.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2337115]Why would a hot 18 to 19 YO want to fuck a 51 YO? She won't know in advance if you are going to send her to heaven or not. Even so she may know someone good much younger and in good shape.

Non hookers are giving away sex for free, but not every single day, and they may have a BF, and they can be choosy if good looking.

So why do we pay? We don't want to waste hours and hours trying to get a fuck. We just simply want to get it straight away, and pay for that privilege. Many of us have a GF or wife, so not looking for additional semi "GFs". Some of us advanced porno services that the average Thai girl is not going to provide or not be good at it.

In Thailand, non hooker GFs can be poor and so still work out more expensive per fuck than hookers. So there are still economic aspects to it. All girls are hookers, merely they have a different price. Not quite true. All my young hot regular girls are getting some economic support from me, even if has not been on a per fuck basis. So we could say they are all hookers in a way. I don't have any rich young girls with the hots for me. I have significantly more money than them.

In past I had Thai GF would was absolutely not a hooker, but worked as a Thai chef. I still paid the majority of the accommodation and household bills, because she could not afford it. However she saved a hell of a lot of money as was thifty and good at saving. She had to support several family members though. Sex was infrequent. She cost me far per fuck than a hooker. Definitely not worthwhile. I should have been taught to choose only girls with means. Even my ex Farang wife cost me too much on a per bad fuck basis, and she had a good job. If I had no wives/GFs ever and only did hookers, I would be richer now.

Sure its great if you can find a hot young thing who wants your body only and no money. Paying is just so much easier, even if guys do not have a wife / GF. All my past GFs that were giving me sufficient good sex, were psycho in some way, so hard to live with. If you have a stable of hot young girls all wanting your body and no money, then you are probably "Brad Pitt" or similar. At 60+ I am still wanting girls 35 or less, have a Mrs already, so its just easier to pay. I could try to get a liason going with sweet pretty little thing at the sports pub (mid 30's but still looks good) similar to my GF but smaller still, who seems to like me, and I know she would like to have a BF, but I just can't do it her. She deserves a proper BF. I know she is not looking for a guy just for sex.

When I first came to Thailand, a hot young eager girl for the whole night cost so little, it was a no brainer. Just silly to sleep alone.

Some guys like the challenge to get girls for free, some can't be bothered. Some girls were shocked to find out they did not get paid, but were too timid to argue. No price had been mentioned beforehand. I read many reports from guys about girl for free where I suspected she was hoping for some economic help. If she specifically says she won't accept money, that is different. Thailand has always had many borerline or semi-hookers. I was told by taxi drivers in Ratchada, that many girls going to a disco, were hoping to get taken by a guy (even a Thai guy maybe), but also hoping to make at least 1K. Very cheap price but not aiming to go for free. Girls will very well paid jobs or rich, don't need economic motives for sex.

Always bear in mind the girl has a risk of pregnancy (especially if no condoms) and very few get abortions. Morning after pills is underutilised. Most birth control methods are fallible. Girl should have two complimentary methods in place to reduce risk. My Mrs still has periods, so has to take the pill. She was thinking about injection since not good at taking pills on time.[/QUOTE]Well said.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2337166]
Also I think I get more attention then some, I have very blonde hair and blue eyes.
[/QUOTE]That is weird unless you are a bottle blonde like most of the rest. We could all dye our hair blonde and maybe get girls more interested.
If too handsome we will be assumed to be gay.

Some guys age very fast, others slow. Compare Mel Gibson, with very wrinkled face to Tom Cruise who looks nearly as good as 30 years ago.
Both probably a-holes.

In a dark bar, most girls think I am much younger, and never guess close to my real age. Helps to have hair on the head and not grey / white hair. However I would need a lot done to actually become handsome, eye makeup, skin laser resurfacing, teeth capping, maybe a nose reduction, etc. Not worth the effort. I don't need girls to find me very attractive (too late for that), just to be willing to have some fun with me.

I have seen plenty of pretty girls go for a guy that is fat and ugly, but like his personality. Most hookers will have fucked guys far uglier and possibly assholes as well. Young Thai hookers can still get a cum with an old guy.

Amazing the myth in the general public and media that a hooker could never enjoy a paid sexual encounter (its just work).
Even some western hookers are willing to get a pop. I recall one writer on here saying his GF worked in an MP and assured him that, none of the girls get a pop at work. They don't want to pop. So why did she become his GF? Obviously the sex was not fun? ;) He met her in the MP and where was the attraction if she did not like the sex at all? Just money I guess. I know plenty of guys make no effort to give the girl a good time since he is paying.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2337490]If too handsome we will be assumed to be gay.[/QUOTE]That's a problem I've had to live with all of my life.

Truth hurts but if any of us were that good looking we would never be on a board like this.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2337532]Truth hurts but if any of us were that good looking we would never be on a board like this.[/QUOTE]Exactly! +1 from me.

Off all the other mongers I met, how many were really good looking? In Thailand maybe one or two were well above average, and asshole rating can be inversely proportional, sometimes. Europe has a lot more good looking mongers, yet they still don't get the girl variety they want and especially not several girls in same day. Maybe they are bad at fucking too. Who knows?

I have been offered freebies, even by hookers and by ex-hookers, but not due to good looks, and it is certainly not a regular thing. A percentage of possible freebies, I knocked back. Girl was not exciting enough and I had alternate plans, or questioned her motives. So getting offered lots of free sex by various young stunners, is just a fantasy.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2337490]...

I have seen plenty of pretty girls go for a guy that is fat and ugly, but like his personality. Most hookers will have fucked guys far uglier and possibly assholes as well. Young Thai hookers can still get a cum with an old guy.
...[/QUOTE]I rarely see the best looking P4P girls in a go-go bar or beer bar walking out with good looking men. In fact, I rarely see them approach the better looking men in a bar when they easily could. Maybe they are taking the safest route to guard against public rejection, which none of us relish, on the belief that a good looking man has been with many girls better looking than them and would not be nearly as impressed by them as other men.

This isn't all that different from the way it is in real life outside the P4P scene. It is relatively rare to see a really notable match in higher level attractiveness among couples. Much more often than not, he's a 3 and she's an 8, he's an 8 and she's a 4 or they are both 4's or 3's. LOL. When we see two 8's or 9's together, it is so notable we almost think they just stepped out of a Hollywood casting agency. Could be no more than 3% of the couples in the world are in the "both 8's or better" category.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2337564]I rarely see the best looking P4P girls in a go-go bar or beer bar walking out with good looking men. [/QUOTE]When I see a stunning girl, I tend to notice she is with a Japanese guy or a Farang, or whatever but that is about it. I am really looking at the girl, not so much the customers. I don't care if guys look good or not. Most of the LBs are with Japanese. Most of the Stunning girls (low surgeries) are with Japanese. I probably would not even know which are especially handsome. High surgeries plain girls are with Japanese or Farangs, either. Most of the natural but ugly girls, if I notice, are with non East Asian customers. Many guys on this forum say they don't really care what the girl's face is like for purpose of fucking. A hot body will do, or a flabby body will do too. Some guys got picked by the girl and could not escape. I had a buddy like that 10 years older than me, who just could not refuse determined girls. He could easily take the worst girl in the bar, and he did.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2337532]Truth hurts but if any of us were that good looking we would never be on a board like this.[/QUOTE]P4 P takes the drama and repercussions out of the equation.

P4 P is a hobby, being a 'player' is more a lifestyle.

SL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2337532]Truth hurts but if any of us were that good looking we would never be on a board like this.[/QUOTE]That's not true, actually.

Even for a decent looking (top 10%) guy with great game skills (top 10% again), getting laid is a fair amount of work. In addition, outside of PFP, you almost never get much actual choice, just need to approach every promising target that presents herself, until one works.

Of course, only about 1-3% of men are in top 10% in terms of both looks and game, but even for them, it's a slog. Now, some might enjoy that work and find it exciting, while others don't, but it sure takes more time and effort than going to a brothel with a few baht in hand.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2337532]Truth hurts but if any of us were that good looking we would never be on a board like this.[/QUOTE]That's not true.

There is a ease of paying for sex, which you can't get from a relationship.

I think there is a widespread assumption that men in Thailand paying for sex cannot get sex elsewhere. A long time ago in my late 30's early 40's, I had all the pussy I wanted as a player in my home country. I did not work hard at it, I played. My looks are average. My sense of humor is above average. My motto was "if you can get them to laugh about it you can get them to do it". Then I came to Asia for business and managed 3 days in Bangkok. I was hooked. My preference quickly became the lovely tan ladies of Thailand for not much money. Insert Goatscrote's description of days long gone here. Now I monger because it's been my norm for decades and I am still hooked.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2337532]Truth hurts but if any of us were that good looking we would never be on a board like this.[/QUOTE]I am not good looking, but if I were I would still prefer to be a monger and be on this board.

A good looking guy certainly has access to beautiful girls without P4 P, but he would still pay in other ways. And that could be even more expensive. A good looking guy can get stuck with the same girl for ever. Girls have a way to hang on to the same guy without him even realizing it. And, of course when she becomes the girl friend or the wife, the payments start coming.

Luckily, in the P4 P world, we pay the girls to leave, after we are done with them. A hell of lot better proposition than being stuck with a girl friend or a wife.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2337532]Truth hurts but if any of us were that good looking we would never be on a board like this.[/QUOTE]Have to agree with most of the comments on your post. I've always been in good shape, a gym rat, and am a decent looking dude, with a vicious sense of humor, who always had very attractive GFs and sex partners. I did not have issues getting laid back home, but it was effort and required quite an investment in money, time, and patiences putting up with a partner. Thailand was great because it required little effort and little money. That was the entire point. Sex, whenever you wanted it, with a wide selection of partners, without the effort, that could be had for the equivalent of 25 USD. Back in the day I knew almost no mongers who needed to have their ego fed. All of the previous is why the discussions of "game" and the rapid rampant price increases over the past couple of years have been so amusing and unsettling at the same time. Why the hell are folks creating the same issues here in LOS that so many of us moved 10 k miles to get away from? Boggles the mind.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2337619]
Of course, only about 1-3% of men are in top 10% in terms of both looks and game....[/QUOTE]Exactly 10% are in the top 10%. I guess you meant something else.

Looks like a hell of a lot of posters here think they are in the top 10%. Ha ha. I always got stuck with a girl fast, so never much chance to try to play the field, except by mongering. Obtaining a Thai GF is real easy, even without looking great. So many are available, looking for a western man. Maybe not just looking for sex though. That is the issue.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2337872]Exactly 10% are in the top 10%. I guess you meant something else.[/QUOTE]555+ I almost commented in the same way. Then I realized that he was saying only 1-3% can count them selves in being top 10% in looks who are also top 10% in game.

[QUOTE=Pita123;2337873]555+ I almost commented in the same way. Then I realized that he was saying only 1-3% can count them selves in being top 10% in looks who are also top 10% in game.[/QUOTE]Yeh, good guess.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2337861]Have to agree with most of the comments on your post. I've always been in good shape, a gym rat, and am a decent looking dude, with a vicious sense of humor, who always had very attractive GFs and sex partners.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure where the good looking guys like you hobby but it certainly isn't where I hobby. In 3 years likely seen only a handful of good looking guys at hobby spots. By good looking I mean guys who when they walk in to any night club will have girls hit on them. I'm not talking about night clubs with p4 p girls. I'm talking real girls who are smoking hot and in their early 20's. These are the guys who have no need for p4 p.

Hopefully you guys don't let all the compliments of these hookers in Thailand, pi, Jakarta, etc. Get to your heads. If I did I'd believe I looked more like George Clooney than Ed sheeran and I'd be 10x funnier than Jim Carey in his prime.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2337890]I'm not sure where the good looking guys like you hobby but it certainly isn't where I hobby. In 3 years likely seen only a handful of good looking guys at hobby spots. By good looking I mean guys who when they walk in to any night club will have girls hit on them. I'm not talking about night clubs with p4 p girls. I'm talking real girls who are smoking hot and in their early 20's. These are the guys who have no need for p4 p.

Hopefully you guys don't let all the compliments of these hookers in Thailand, pi, Jakarta, etc. Get to your heads. If I did I'd believe I looked more like George Clooney than Ed sheeran and I'd be 10x funnier than Jim Carey in his prime.[/QUOTE]I'm not the kind to manipulated with flattering words, but free sessions not sought after, or rock bottom prices with insane PSE sessions.

Now that will boost my confidence every time!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2337890]I'd be 10x funnier than Jim Carey in his prime.[/QUOTE]Jim Carey was never funny even in his prime which was The Mask. Enjoyed him more when he was playing it straight as in The Truman show. Agree with his politics but not his anti vaccine stance. I know, this is a sex guide forum but what the hell nowadays it caters to all sorts of oddballs, guilty my lord.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2337890]looked more like George Clooney than Ed sheeran and I'd be 10x funnier than Jim Carey in his prime.[/QUOTE]Brad Pitt instead of Meat Loaf (1977). Chris Hemsworth in place of Shane MacGowan.

Yep been there.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2337890]I'm not sure where the good looking guys like you hobby but it certainly isn't where I hobby. [/QUOTE]You have seen good looking young mongers in German FKK though, right?

They want the convenience of fucking several girls in quick succession, or have umpteen naked hookers fawning over them.

I agree, I don't really see them much here. A tiny percentage for sure. Still it is hard for me to know a girl's taste and recall the guys that much.

Most of us are way older than the hookers. I did not start mongering here till I was 35. Surely I was more attractive then, which is only relative, but we did not have to compete with lots of Asians back then other than Thai mongers in the Soapy MPs. So I did not get knockbacks from Thermae girls in those days. It was a farang mongering scene.

Was rarer to meet dick scared girls back then, even with newbie girls.

An old memory hit me the other day when my buddy who just returned from Bangkok told me he revisited Hilary 1 and had the lamb shank that I chose on a previous trip and said it was just as good as on our previous trips. I know, not something one thinks of when your on Soi 4 but I must say it was out of this world delicious, meat falling off the bone with an amazing sauce.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2338021]Jim Carey was never funny even in his prime which was The Mask. Enjoyed him more when he was playing it straight as in The Truman show. Agree with his politics but not his anti vaccine stance. [/QUOTE]Wow, take everything you just said and reverse it and that is what I feel to be reality. You are living in an alternate universe from me, buddy.

He was ok in Truman show but he was funny as hell in his prime. His politics are idiotic and makes people think he's lost his mind, and his anti-vaccine stance is just wrong given the evidence of increased autism and other negative reactions due to those vaccines. I have a relative who was completely normal until he went in to get his vaccine at a very young age, after that day he has required 24 hour care daily for the last 20 years.


I'm with him 100% on this. I do hate it when this happens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R2ol_EtP0o

[QUOTE=Breadman;2338195]An old memory hit me the other day when my buddy who just returned from Bangkok told me he revisited Hilary 1 and had the lamb shank that I chose on a previous trip and said it was just as good as on our previous trips. I know, not something one thinks of when your on Soi 4 but I must say it was out of this world delicious, meat falling off the bone with an amazing sauce.[/QUOTE]The sound of those words together just scare the shit out of me!

Based on recent positive reports from Natty Bumpo, Catire, Banana Boi (others?) and a couple of friends who don't post here, I decided on a whim to revisit Patpong last night about 9:45 PM after not taking a girl from there in at least a year as I recall. That was a girl from Black Pagoda. That one was ok, sexy girl, fine with agreeing to my True GFE expectations upfront. But the hassle of going to and from Patpong vs going to nearby Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy keeps me from mongering there very often.

I walked down Thaniya Road and saw the usual crowd of supposedly Japanese Only/Preferred girls sitting outside the Karaoke Bars. Most did not acknowledge me passing by in the sense that I might be a potential customer. But a couple of places with large groups of girls had a mamasan flagging me over to stop in and take a look. I just smiled and kept walking. Someday I'll have to check some of those out to see what the big deal is. Thing is, I don't remember any punter I know extolling the wonders of great service or any service at all from the girls in those places. I assume some are genuinely Japanese Only. But I don't see much difference in the attractiveness of the girls from one to the other Karaoke Bar, including the ones where the mamasans were flagging me over.

First stop on Patpong 1 was King's Castle 1. Saw a lot of pantyhose in this bar. In most Thai red light areas, that is a sign of either non barfineable Coyotes or some catch like you can barfine but no sex, very high barfine and equally high rate to the girl and so on. Not sure what it means in Patpong these days. In the recent past, it often meant what I just described. Not sure about today. Through the pantyhose I could see some of the same big ugly tattoos that seemed to be prevalent among most of the girls in Patpong. The vast majority of customers were Asian. There were many good lookers in the line up here, but they were very subdued with regard to me, barely indicating a smile or any acknowledgement at all. Could have been total disinterest in me as a potential customer, the kind of guarded display of interest in a Farang that you often find where the girls' primary customer base is Asian, all of the above or something else. I did not get a friendly, warm and fuzzy vibe from any girl I would remotely be interested in taking in this bar. One drink for me and gone.

Second stop was King's Castle 2. There was a huge drop in the attractiveness of the girls here vs King's Castle 1 at about 10:15 PM on this Friday night. I would be surprised to find any Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy go-go bar surviving very long with a line up this dreadful. Naturally, a couple of girls did seem demonstrably interested in me as soon as I walked in. LOL. I would say they were at least the 2 best of a dreadful lot. Ok, I came here to check out the vibe and bar culture in some of these places compared with years past. So I gestured an OK to the more eager and delighted of the two demonstrably interested ones to come on over for a Lady Drink. She was very bouncy and happy that I finally replied to her repeated attempts to have me call her over. TONS of big ugly tattoos on this one. But a decent body and ok face. She ordered a coke with some booze in it I suppose, not a shot. That was nice of her.

One sip after the drink arrived, she excused herself and said, "I go dance now, back in 5 minutes."

I have no idea if she would have come off the stage to sit with me five minutes later, highly doubtful since she did not exactly dance in a way that reminded me she was coming back soon or reminded her that she had ever met me. No matter, 3 minutes later I was paying the bill, up and gone.

Next stop down Patpong 1 was King's Corner, not to be confused with King's Corner 2, which is a total Ladyboy bar as far as I know. King's Corner is a mixed gender go-go bar. I could immediately tell looking through the door from the outside that there were many real, natural born females working in King's Corner. It was as crowded as King's Castle 1 in terms of girls (and about one third Ladyboys) and customers. Like King's Castle 2, the customer mix was about half Asian and half Farang in this bar. Still many big ugly tattoos. I would say the quality of the female line up here was somewhere between King's Castle 1 and 2. In fact, a few of the females were, imo, even better looking and sexier, definitely seemed friendlier and more fun (to a Farang like me) than the girls in King's Castle 1.

As I walked through the door, a rather fetching real female hooked my arm to pull me in further, walked with me to a place to sit on the other side of the stage and plopped herself down next to me, cuddling and running her hands across my crotch. Nice face, sexy smile, fit and shapely, possibly enhanced breasts but not too obvious, she would naturally be one of the more presentable girls to serve as a doorgirl. She asked for a Ladydrink. I politely declined and told her I'd just walked in and wanted to sit and relax a while, look around. She either pretended not to hear or actually didn't hear in all the noise. So she sat there next to me while I ordered my drink and not one for her.

However, by the time my drink arrived, I could not help noticing her fingers lightly grazing on my pants over my crotch area had indeed inspired quite an eager beaver woody. I must take heed of these things. And she did look pretty good compared with most other girls in the place or elsewhere during this so far short research trip. I asked her how much for barfine. 600 baht. How much for her? 3,000 baht for Short Time. "Oh, pang pang (expensive)" She asked me what I wanted. I told her as directly and with as few words as possible what I wanted in terms of a True GFE. She asked, are you ok? I said I am perfect, how about you? She said I'm ok. End of health and medical status discussion. I said let's go.

I paid the barfine, bought her one drink after she'd changed into her street clothes, we rode a taxi back to my apartment in the lower Sukhumvit area and all was extremely well and as advertised, no unpleasant surprises. She had a very nice body, lovely face, perfect attitude but, like more and more Thai girls these days and virtually all of the Patpong girls, unfortunate body tattoos. Oh well. WIR? Yes. And check out a few other places around Patpong again. But I think next time I will hire us two motorcycle taxis to take us back to my apartment. That trip took at least 30-40 minutes at around 11 pm last night. That is just too long and boring a trip for me between the high of us both agreeing to terms and getting the girl alone in my room. I think a couple of motorcycle taxis would take no more than 10-12 minutes for that trip.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2337890]I'm not sure where the good looking guys like you hobby but it certainly isn't where I hobby. In 3 years likely seen only a handful of good looking guys at hobby spots. By good looking I mean guys who when they walk in to any night club will have girls hit on them. I'm not talking about night clubs with p4 p girls. I'm talking real girls who are smoking hot and in their early 20's. These are the guys who have no need for p4 p.

Hopefully you guys don't let all the compliments of these hookers in Thailand, pi, Jakarta, etc. Get to your heads. If I did I'd believe I looked more like George Clooney than Ed sheeran and I'd be 10x funnier than Jim Carey in his prime.[/QUOTE]BB I get your point, but frankly, why on earth would I even consider to look at guys and classify them as good looking or average looking or ugly? I find my two eyes insufficient to take in the sights of girls in these places.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2338021]Jim Carey was never funny even in his prime which was The Mask. Enjoyed him more when he was playing it straight as in The Truman show. Agree with his politics but not his anti vaccine stance. I know, this is a sex guide forum but what the hell nowadays it caters to all sorts of oddballs, guilty my lord.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Dumb and Dumber is one of the few movies I've walked out on. Funny, let's go back to Mel Brooks and all of the amazing late 70's comedies starting with Animal House and ending with Stripes. And oh, all the Monty Python films.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2338463]Agreed. Dumb and Dumber is one of the few movies I've walked out on. Funny, let's go back to Mel Brooks and all of the amazing late 70's comedies starting with Animal House and ending with Stripes. And oh, all the Monty Python films.[/QUOTE]Sure, those Mel Brooks movies, 70's comedies like Animal House and Stripes (1981), and the Monty Python films were funny. (Life of Brian is the best comedy of all time, in my opinion) But there have been a ton of funny movies after that. Carrey has quite a few funny movies. The shower scene in Once Bitten always cracks me up.

I think the scene in Police Academy where the hooker gives the Commander a blow job while she is in the podium and he is giving a speech, then after it's all over he looks back to see who gave him the BJ and Mahoney sticks his head out of the podium is the funniest bit in any comedy I have ever watched. That came after Stripes.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2338441]As I walked through the door, a rather fetching real female hooked my arm to pull me in further, walked with me to a place to sit on the other side of the stage and plopped herself down next to me, cuddling and running her hands across my crotch. Nice face, sexy smile, fit and shapely, possibly enhanced breasts but not too obvious, [/QUOTE]I had a really nice pull out of Patpong when I was there two years ago. Could have been the same girl. Bought her a red, white and blue bikini which she filled out very nicely and spent two days with her. Wish I had kept her contact info because I'll be back in September.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2338445]Who was it that recently posted about being blond and blue-eyed and appearing as exotic? Damn, age affects memory too. Specially when my brains are in my balls.[/QUOTE]Is your inferiority complex making you rude?

Learn how to read dumb dumb.

[URL]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exotic[/URL]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2338503]Sure, those Mel Brooks movies, 70's comedies like Animal House and Stripes (1981), and the Monty Python films were funny. (Life of Brian is the best comedy of all time, in my opinion) But there have been a ton of funny movies after that. Carrey has quite a few funny movies. The shower scene in Once Bitten always cracks me up.

I think the scene in Police Academy where the hooker gives the Commander a blow job while she is in the podium and he is giving a speech, then after it's all over he looks back to see who gave him the BJ and Mahoney sticks his head out of the podium is the funniest bit in any comedy I have ever watched. That came after Stripes.[/QUOTE]Police Academy was great! There have been some funny films since then, Clerks comes to mind, but man, back in that era it was one right after another. One of the most underrated was 1941, Spielberg's only comedy.

Wandered into Thermae last night about 11 pm. I have never seen it so crowded in my almost 20 years as a patron. You could barely walk around. 99% of the punters were Asian, many of them in their 20's and early 30's, most of whom were very shy and giggly like schoolgirls. Very easy marks for the gals. Also saw some grotesque surgical nightmares. Faces puffed with filler, sharp noses, etc. The cut rate clinics must be doing a good business. The "far side" with the gals who are normally farang friendly hadn't one gal I would even consider. There were some lookers on the other side and in the back, but they were nary interested in the white man and were heard and seen quoting 3 k and up ST. Lordy.

We lucked out and got seats and spent about 30 min observing the goings on. One younger Japanese dude was really spot on. He would go up to the best looking gals he could find and while talking to them, place his hand on their ass and start rubbing, and he would judge their reaction. He was a handsome fellow, so I guess it was easy to get away with it. Eventually pulled a looker.

We left about 1140 and by that time the crowd had thinned out a bit. Guess it was getting to be bedtime for the youngsters.

Can't help but feel nostalgic every time I pass through and long for the days when Thermae was a fairly seedy hangout for local expats all with pretty fascinating stories to tell and when it was a "happy fun" place. Just not very festive now.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2338704]Wandered into Thermae last night about 11 pm. I have never seen it so crowded in my almost 20 years as a patron. You could barely walk around. 99% of the punters were Asian, many of them in their 20's and early 30's, most of whom were very shy and giggly like schoolgirls. Very easy marks for the gals. Also saw some grotesque surgical nightmares. Faces puffed with filler, sharp noses, etc. The cut rate clinics must be doing a good business. The "far side" with the gals who are normally farang friendly hadn't one gal I would even consider. There were some lookers on the other side and in the back, but they were nary interested in the white man and were heard and seen quoting 3 k and up ST. Lordy.

We lucked out and got seats and spent about 30 min observing the goings on. One younger Japanese dude was really spot on. He would go up to the best looking gals he could find and while talking to them, place his hand on their ass and start rubbing, and he would judge their reaction. He was a handsome fellow, so I guess it was easy to get away with it. Eventually pulled a looker.

We left about 1140 and by that time the crowd had thinned out a bit. Guess it was getting to be bedtime for the youngsters..[/QUOTE]I hope thermae is not an omen of things globally.

You can see this in Tijuana.

Los Angeles.

Germany.

Angeles city / Manila.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2338634]Is your inferiority complex making you rude?

Learn how to read dumb dumb.

[URL]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exotic[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the schooling session. The complex is probably yours that is making you respond to post that was not particularly directed at you.

You might have heard this one - "a guilty conscience needs no accuser".

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2338702]Police Academy was great! There have been some funny films since then, Clerks comes to mind, but man, back in that era it was one right after another. One of the most underrated was 1941, Spielberg's only comedy.[/QUOTE]Adding to the conversation, my own favorites include stand ups George Carlin Dave Allen Richard Pryor Tommy Cooper, the early Woody Allen movies up to Annie Hall, almost anything from Monty Python or Mel brooks of which I single out The Producers and Zero Mostel's performance.

Anyone been to Biwa Cafe lately?

[QUOTE=JenSona23;2338858]Anyone been to Biwa Cafe lately?[/QUOTE]It's many years since my last visit. At the time, very few girls in the line up, older, fatter, and budget priced. I don't know if may have changed. I think Nancy was very close by, also a budget place, but I think a bit better.

Biwa was one of the lowest rated places for me, way back when I went there. Maybe for MILF enthusiasts on a tight budget.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2338704]Wandered into Thermae last night about 11 pm. I have never seen it so crowded in my almost 20 years as a patron. You could barely walk around. 99% of the punters were Asian, many of them in their 20's and early 30's, most of whom were very shy and giggly like schoolgirls. Very easy marks for the gals. Also saw some grotesque surgical nightmares. Faces puffed with filler, sharp noses, etc. The cut rate clinics must be doing a good business. The "far side" with the gals who are normally farang friendly hadn't one gal I would even consider. There were some lookers on the other side and in the back, but they were nary interested in the white man and were heard and seen quoting 3 k and up ST. Lordy.
[/QUOTE]+1 Often surcharge for farangs (like in an Asian dominated soapy). The better looking girls were snapped up by Asians very fast.

You summed it up perfectly, and of course not taking a girl, you did not get to the part to complain about a crappy performance with too many restrictions. I really believe this place is not really suited to fussy Farangs, and not at all like the old Thermae of yesteryear where we could meet such enthusiastic girls. I prefer to take my chances with freelancers on the street, where at least if we blow our money, it is much less wasted. My last street girl (who is really into Farangs) was 400% better than any Thermae girl I tried in recent years (despite her very small tits) for the service (superior tongue kissing was a highlight).

If I was less fussy and could take the far side girls, maybe I could get lucky some time. I think you failed to mention the incredibly conservative dress of some or most girls there, designed to hide the major body flaws. All up the degree of difficulty to find the right girl, is far too high for me.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2338463]Agreed. Dumb and Dumber is one of the few movies I've walked out on. Funny, let's go back to Mel Brooks and all of the amazing late 70's comedies starting with Animal House and ending with Stripes. And oh, all the Monty Python films.[/QUOTE]You have to be in the mood I guess. I certainly could not watch Dumb and Dumber. Agree one of the dumbest movies ever. Not sure if I lasted beyond 15 minutes max. However I have to say I found the quite crazy Pet Detective and Liar Liar, to be both quite amusing. The Mask was not similar and total shit. The Truman Show was absolutely dumb for me (and not funny), so no enjoyment there. I liked Johnny English (Rowan Atkinson). I prefer Adam Sandler in a straight role, and same for Steve Carell. My least favourite comedian: possibly Will Ferrell. Probably I preferred comedies of yesteryear (ha ha), like Silver Streak, Foul Play, Sleeper, The Pink Panther.

Life of Brian was overrated for me, as the joke is funny the first time, but when they repeat it so many times for so many minutes, starts to bore me. I preferred the madcap Holy Grail actually.

One of my all time favourites was "After Hours" (Scorsese) which was a high suspense comedy thriller, and included Cheech and Chong in semi comedy roles. A "shit happens" type of movie and with some hot girls. For really old, Polanski's "Dance of the Vampires" (Polanski does not seem to make any bad movies)

We have to realise taste varies so widely.

Nobody will name this?

[URL]http://watchdocumentaries.com/the-aristocrats/[/URL]

Or how about idiocracy? Reminds me of the barack hussein Obama years.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2339152]+1 Often surcharge for farangs (like in an Asian dominated soapy). The better looking girls were snapped up by Asians very fast.

You summed it up perfectly, and of course not taking a girl, you did not get to the part to complain about a crappy performance with too many restrictions. I really believe this place is not really suited to fussy Farangs, and not at all like the old Thermae of yesteryear where we could meet such enthusiastic girls. I prefer to take my chances with freelancers on the street, where at least if we blow our money, it is much less wasted. My last street girl (who is really into Farangs) was 400% better than any Thermae girl I tried in recent years (despite her very small tits) for the service (superior tongue kissing was a highlight).

If I was less fussy and could take the far side girls, maybe I could get lucky some time. I think you failed to mention the incredibly conservative dress of some or most girls there, designed to hide the major body flaws. All up the degree of difficulty to find the right girl, is far too high for me.[/QUOTE]Spot on Syg, conservative dress is the norm, and not only does it hide flaws, it appeals to the Asian punter who wants a more innocent wholesome fantasy. If it were to my taste the gals would all be wearing belly shirts with stomach showing and short shorts with some ass cheek hanging out. Bottom line, with the exception of a few laughs to be had at the circling punters, Thermae is a bit of a bore for Western dudes.

One of my fav happenings back in the day goes as follows; we were sitting at table by the back door and an Asian dude asked if he could sit with us. He was a Vietnamese American making a visit to Vietnam. He was a hoot. Saw a gal he liked passing by, grabbed her by the arm, looked her in the eye and said, "How would you like to s $ck my the $$k tonight?" She popped right down in his lap, grabbed his pecker and said, "ok. " Now that's my kind of dude an my kind of gal. Could you imagine the reaction of the current crop of Thermae girls to and approach like that? They'd freak out.

[QUOTE=DCups;2338526]I had a really nice pull out of Patpong when I was there two years ago. Could have been the same girl. Bought her a red, white and blue bikini which she filled out very nicely and spent two days with her. Wish I had kept her contact info because I'll be back in September.[/QUOTE]This one did fill out a bikini quite nicely. Looked even better naked. Small size implants, not nearly as distracting and off putting as some. I only mentioned the idea of sharing Line info casually as I was walking her to the motorcycle taxi stand afterwards but she did not jump at the opportunity so I dropped it. Thinking about it later, I did not ever see her look at a phone, try to charge it in my room or anything so she might not have had one. And some girls have snoopy sponsors, boyfriends or husbands who pay too close attention to their phone and Line activity so they don't want to deal with it on the job.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2339172]One of my fav happenings back in the day goes as follows; we were sitting at table by the back door and an Asian dude asked if he could sit with us. He was a Vietnamese American making a visit to Vietnam. He was a hoot. Saw a gal he liked passing by, grabbed her by the arm, looked her in the eye and said, "How would you like to s $ck my the $$k tonight?" She popped right down in his lap, grabbed his pecker and said, "ok. " Now that's my kind of dude an my kind of gal. Could you imagine the reaction of the current crop of Thermae girls to and approach like that? They'd freak out.[/QUOTE]Ha ha very funny. I don't really recall for my early Thermae days, if any of my girls had much English, and would have understood his phrase. Maybe they could understand so basic but not speak much English, so "O.K." is an easy answer. My very first Thermae girl (1991) had big wide slung luscious natural tits of perfection, a huge bonus, since when picking her, I had no idea her tits were that good. She was a little bit of a show off loving to make model like poses for a photo. Anyway on the bed, after sex, she was jabbering away with me in Thai but with English pronouns inserted, like "I" and "you", which was actually quite tricky for me to follow having zero experience Odd English words mixed into Thai, and having a vocab limited to a few hundred words, and struggling to keep up with the pace. I had studied Thai quite hard prior to coming to Thailand for about 9 months. She would have been speaking English to me, if she had any significant ability. She was a Phitsanulok girl which is like bordering central and northern Thailand. I repeated her every night till she had enough money to return to Phitsanulok and that was the end of it. Not sure if I would rate her quite so fabulous today, I was coming off a low quality base back in home country, but back then I was in heaven every night.

One of the first funny things was to see her naked perched squatting on top of the Hotel toilet seat to take a leak, clearly with little experience of a western toilet.

I remember I had been practising basic Thai phrases before going to the Thermae, like "ja bpai rongraem gap phom mai" (will you go to the Hotel with me). No memory at all now if a price was discussed or not, or whether we had to discuss the duration. Seemed to be always all night bookings. So multiple fucks for a very low amount in those days. Was absolutely dumb to consider sleeping alone. I think the girl for the night was often cheaper than the Hotel room, despite me staying in budget Hotels, below the standard I would need today.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2339156]One of my all time favourites was "After Hours" (Scorsese) which was a high suspense comedy thriller, and included Cheech and Chong in semi comedy roles. A "shit happens" type of movie and with some hot girls. [/QUOTE]I love that movie. They rarely ever show it or talk about it, but it's one of my all time favorites.

A non Comedy that I love that you never hear about is Southern Comfort. It's a movie about a bunch of Louisiana rednecks in the Louisiana National Guard going into the swamp for training and they run into a group of guys who live in the swamp who kill them one by one after they act like immature assholes. Awesome flick.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2339172]One of my fav happenings back in the day goes as follows; we were sitting at table by the back door and an Asian dude asked if he could sit with us. He was a Vietnamese American making a visit to Vietnam. He was a hoot. Saw a gal he liked passing by, grabbed her by the arm, looked her in the eye and said, "How would you like to s $ck my the $$k tonight?" She popped right down in his lap, grabbed his pecker and said, "ok. " Now that's my kind of dude an my kind of gal. Could you imagine the reaction of the current crop of Thermae girls to and approach like that? They'd freak out.[/QUOTE]I was walking by the Nana Hooters once and one of the girls standing there looking for a customer said something to me as I walked by that caught me so off guard, that I had to take her. She didn't ask me "what's your name", she didn't say "go with you", or any of that dumb shit they always say. As her opening line, she simply said "I want to lick your balls".

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2339212]I was walking by the Nana Hooters once and one of the girls standing there looking for a customer said something to me as I walked by that caught me so off guard, that I had to take her. She didn't ask me "what's your name", she didn't say "go with you", or any of that dumb shit they always say. As her opening line, she simply said "I want to lick your balls".[/QUOTE]Whilst walking many times on soi 4 after most of the lights go out at 3 am? I hear girls say "I go with you" "I want to suck your dick" I walk faster almost to a running speed LOL.

I don't bother to look, my vision isn't good out there after the lights go out LOL I just assume its some fucking ladyboy LOL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2339212]I was walking by the Nana Hooters once and one of the girls standing there looking for a customer said something to me as I walked by that caught me so off guard, that I had to take her. She didn't ask me "what's your name", she didn't say "go with you", or any of that dumb shit they always say. As her opening line, she simply said "I want to lick your balls".[/QUOTE]I love it, but that would be repellant to most Asian punters. When you look at the Safe Sex in Thailand section of the forum, it's amazing how active it's become and how worried so many of today's Asian mongers are. I think for the majority of Westerners, it's just part of the game.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2339182]One of the first funny things was to see her naked perched squatting on top of the Hotel toilet seat to take a leak, clearly with little experience of a western toilet.

I remember I had been practising basic Thai phrases before going to the Thermae, like "ja bpai rongraem gap phom mai" (will you go to the Hotel with me). No memory at all now if a price was discussed or not, or whether we had to discuss the duration. Seemed to be always all night bookings. So multiple fucks for a very low amount in those days. Was absolutely dumb to consider sleeping alone. I think the girl for the night was often cheaper than the Hotel room, despite me staying in budget Hotels, below the standard I would need today.[/QUOTE]Brilliantly funny. I remember gals doing the same thing. Never used a Western toilet. Yes, it was a bargain. Those days are long gone. Hate to say it, but the Asian tourist punter is responsible for the increase in prices and the decrease in service. Nothing racist about it; just a fact.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2339209]I love that movie. They rarely ever show it or talk about it, but it's one of my all time favorites.

A non Comedy that I love that you never hear about is Southern Comfort. It's a movie about a bunch of Louisiana rednecks in the Louisiana National Guard going into the swamp for training and they run into a group of guys who live in the swamp who kill them one by one after they act like immature assholes. Awesome flick.[/QUOTE]The soundtrack is hauntingly brilliant and Keith Carradine's performance is extremely underrated in that 1981 American action-thriller film.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2339254]I love it, but that would be repellant to most Asian punters. When you look at the Safe Sex in Thailand section of the forum, it's amazing how active it's become and how worried so many of today's Asian mongers are. I think for the majority of Westerners, it's just part of the game.[/QUOTE]I would think that getting your balls licked would be one of the safest things you could do sexually.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2339182] I think the girl for the night was often cheaper than the Hotel room, despite me staying in budget Hotels.[/QUOTE]That's still my way of guessing the going rate in a new town. Girls and hotel rooms of the same caliber generally cost about the same.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2339182]One of the first funny things was to see her naked perched squatting on top of the Hotel toilet seat to take a leak, clearly with little experience of a western toilet.[/QUOTE]That still happens in Indonesia. They even have a sign in the bathrooms at CJs explaining how to use the toilets and to please not squat on top of them with your feet on the seat or the rim of the bowl. CJs is in a 5 star hotel!

In Africa, in the men's restrooms, they had a sign above the toilet saying "control your pipe" and they have a photo of fluid going into the toilet rather than the floor and the walls.

Funny stuff.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2339293]I would think that getting your balls licked would be one of the safest things you could do sexually.[/QUOTE]I was referring to the gal being so forward about it, not the same actual act itself.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2339296]
In Africa, in the men's restrooms, they had a sign above the toilet saying "control your pipe" and they have a photo of fluid going into the toilet rather than the floor and the walls.

Funny stuff.[/QUOTE]Changi airport in Singapore had images of flies added to the men's urinals as something to aim for. Apparently it drastically reduced the spillage and associated clean ups. 😁

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2339296]That still happens in Indonesia. They even have a sign in the bathrooms at CJs explaining how to use the toilets and to please not squat on top of them with your feet on the seat or the rim of the bowl. CJs is in a 5 star hotel!

In Africa, in the men's restrooms, they had a sign above the toilet saying "control your pipe" and they have a photo of fluid going into the toilet rather than the floor and the walls.

Funny stuff.[/QUOTE]Indo funny signs, The left hand with the fore finger extended. No toilet paper or hose, use your left hand finger to wipe your butt. I died laughing the first time I saw that.

RL.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2339301]Changi airport in Singapore had images of flies added to the men's urinals as something to aim for. Apparently it drastically reduced the spillage and associated clean ups. 😁

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]The credit for that innovation goes to Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam. Brilliant, fucking brilliant.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2339296]That still happens in Indonesia. They even have a sign in the bathrooms at CJs explaining how to use the toilets and to please not squat on top of them with your feet on the seat or the rim of the bowl. CJs is in a 5 star hotel!

In Africa, in the men's restrooms, they had a sign above the toilet saying "control your pipe" and they have a photo of fluid going into the toilet rather than the floor and the walls.

Funny stuff.[/QUOTE]I remember that I went to the toilet at Bali International Airport arrival as I had to wait for my luggage. There was even a family toilet in one private room. One toilet for the adult and a smaller toilet for your perhaps your 4 to 6 year old child. Never seen anything like that before in any other country.

The best places to find good looking Thais? Uncovered blow jobs and deep french kiss.

There are brothels where we can fuck on the premises. I can't bring girls to my hotel. I am travelling with my son and daughter. Any clean and good motels around the red light district in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=BrazilRio;2339703]The best places to find good looking Thais? Uncovered blow jobs and deep french kiss.

There are brothels where we can fuck on the premises. I can't bring girls to my hotel. I am travelling with my son and daughter. Any clean and good motels around the red light district in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Did you search agoda? You can google girl friendly hotels for a start. Some YouTube guys like Bangkok112 have recommendations. I can't vouch for them though.

[QUOTE=BrazilRio;2339703]The best places to find good looking Thais? Uncovered blow jobs and deep french kiss.

There are brothels where we can fuck on the premises. I can't bring girls to my hotel. I am travelling with my son and daughter. Any clean and good motels around the red light district in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Your should read a lot more on this forum. BBBJ is standard in most places. Kissing depends on the girl.

In Massage parlours (MPs) you fuck on the premises. Yes there are Short Time hotels near red light gogo bar district. Approx 300 Baht for 1 hour. The girls will know where to go.

Not sure that FunQuest's answer has a real relevance.

At 11 pm checked Soi 4 for my regular. Wasn't there and her friend that is "always there" Joom, wasn't there too. Tuesday had relatively low talent. The very hot deaf girl also absent.

Strange the further down the soi even has fat girls all in black including head scarf (possibly muslims), whitish skin or makeup, but big round faces so ugly it is like they wear a mask. A group of Indian guys (or middle eastern) was hanging around them, but I would rate them a zero for looks.

Maybe one or two street girls seen doable but did not risk it. Walked to on the odd Sois side of sukhumvit. Not only does Soi 4 have large numbers of LBs, but the walk from Soi 5 to the Thermae sees about 90% ladboys on the street. 9% are ugly girls. Saw only one doable girl and she was already negotiating with a Farang.

After pass the Thermae, the percentage of real girls increases but not much quality. I did not go in the Thermae. In the past have seen doable girls outside the Thermae but not today. Almost all ladyboys outside.

Went to Cowboy and had a look in Doll House. A couple of Coyotes were to my skinny spec with great asses and good faces. BF is 1 K or 700 after 1 am. Upstairs has some nude girls table-top, but almost all were ugly including the non nude ones. One old guy sitting with mouth hanging open staring intently at the best girl's pussy, virtually non stop. Doll House seems have gone through transformational change so many times, that seems changed on each occasional visit.

Had a run of bad luck lately. It seems every lady I choose and discus my requirements with, and they are ok with all I ask, change when we get to the room. I love to DFK and it is number one on my requirement list. Then comes no condom, and are they clean shaven. They all agree and they are so sexy and romantic in the bar but get to the room and they shower and lay down and become ridged and not romantic. Don't want to kiss just want to BBBJ and get me stiff so that the action will start.

I went shopping on Soi 4 Friday night and sat in the Bar looking at the prospective targets by the wall. 4's and 5's at best. A few ladies in the bar were ready to go but they wanted 2500 and 500 for the bar. I was ready to wall and talk prices. All ladies I talked to wanted 1200, but the farther up Soi 4 the price started to drop to 1000. There was also 2 ladies in the traditional black penguin dress's Muslim ladies I think. They were pulling guys aside and making offers. This is up near 7/11 and The Coffee Company.

I found one lady that was cute and agreed to everything. 1000 thb. She said we need to walk down to Suk to get a taxi. She told me taxi's on Soi 4 are very expensive.

She was a good fuck, no hurry, no condom and very clean. Said I was her first in three days. Business was slow.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2339914]Had a run of bad luck lately. It seems every lady I choose and discus my requirements with, and they are ok with all I ask, change when we get to the room. I love to DFK and it is number one on my requirement list. Then comes no condom, and are they clean shaven. They all agree and they are so sexy and romantic in the bar but get to the room and they shower and lay down and become ridged and not romantic. Don't want to kiss just want to BBBJ and get me stiff so that the action will start.

I went shopping on Soi 4 Friday night and sat in the Bar looking at the prospective targets by the wall. 4's and 5's at best. A few ladies in the bar were ready to go but they wanted 2500 and 500 for the bar. I was ready to wall and talk prices. All ladies I talked to wanted 1200, but the farther up Soi 4 the price started to drop to 1000. There was also 2 ladies in the traditional black penguin dress's Muslim ladies I think. They were pulling guys aside and making offers. This is up near 7/11 and The Coffee Company.

I found one lady that was cute and agreed to everything. 1000 thb. She said we need to walk down to Suk to get a taxi. She told me taxi's on Soi 4 are very expensive.
[/QUOTE]Yes especially in Nana I have found con artist girls, sometimes appearing kissy in the bar, but later being fucking hopeless. I think need to get a very good full DGK in bar and make sure she likes it. Another girl got back to my room and refused to fuck (end of her period). Not always easy to assess the true style of a girl in the bar. Last night my girl from cowboy got back and was too much of a monkey, could not do anything soft slow and sexy. Bit of a disaster. I maybe could have enjoyed with no condom, but with a condom was a struggle to stay hard with her non sexy behaviour. BBBJ was very soso due to braces.

Did you agree the penguin fatties were amongst the ugliest faces I seen? Almost like a Punch and Judy mask face. I wonder how much money I would need to make to fuck one.

I always catch a taxi in Suk rather than in Soi 4, because Soi 4 is jammed up and no right turn into Suk allowed. Save time and hassle with a possible long route to your Hotel. Taxi guys standing at entrance to Cowboy are also bad news but can hail a taxi that is passing. My rule is, if the driver has got out of his taxi, you don't want his taxi and don't want to talk to him at all.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2337890]I'm not sure where the good looking guys like you hobby but it certainly isn't where I hobby. In 3 years likely seen only a handful of good looking guys at hobby spots. By good looking I mean guys who when they walk in to any night club will have girls hit on them. I'm not talking about night clubs with p4 p girls. I'm talking real girls who are smoking hot and in their early 20's. These are the guys who have no need for p4 p.

Hopefully you guys don't let all the compliments of these hookers in Thailand, pi, Jakarta, etc. Get to your heads. If I did I'd believe I looked more like George Clooney than Ed sheeran and I'd be 10x funnier than Jim Carey in his prime.[/QUOTE]To be fair most in SEA is p2 p overall because either it is about where you go or what you do. Money is an element of that but sure there is the odd few pulling guys or girls wherever they go. I am sure there is and have seen people do f2 p with working girls as well. That said in the monger arena I don't see the same frequency of these girls or guys and I used to work the club scene.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2339295]That's still my way of guessing the going rate in a new town. Girls and hotel rooms of the same caliber generally cost about the same.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]That's quite an insight! Tip o' the hat to you.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2339910]
After pass the Thermae, the percentage of real girls increases but not much quality. I did not go in the Thermae. In the past have seen doable girls outside the Thermae but not today. Almost all ladyboys outside.[/QUOTE]Never tried to take "girls" standing outside thermae after 11 pm. All looks very tall and with masculine faces, sometime one or two odd one look like a hot girl, but not worth the risk.

[QUOTE=Dena0;2340271]That's quite an insight! Tip o' the hat to you.[/QUOTE]Certifiably crazy that is!

The avg nana plaza gogo girl is probably 3000 plus 1000 BF.

She is not comparable in value to the avg 4000 a night hotel.

Nor is the avg girl in Burgos gogo that is 10000 php.

Comparable to the value to a 10000 php a night hotel.

I can keep going to list every city I've ever mongered.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2340303]Never tried to take "girls" standing outside thermae after 11 pm. All looks very tall and with masculine faces, sometime one or two odd one look like a hot girl, but not worth the risk.[/QUOTE]Yes at least 90% will be ladyboys, but I have taken girls from outside Thermae years ago. There are some plain girls sitting on a wall nearby sometimes. Occasionally you can find a pretty girl standing chatting to her LB friends, but you want to be very sure. Could ask to see the ID card, pretending to check her age.

Certainly the whole area from Soi4 to cowboy is getting very overrun with ladyboys. All Asians that go into 5 Star bar get approached by ladyboys, and they don't seem to object to it at all. Some LBs will soon be touching his (Asian guy's) crotch. Yet if a Farang goes in there, the ladyboys will ignore him, and the girls will approach instead. Seems strange to me. A very weird mixed business.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2339295]That's still my way of guessing the going rate in a new town. Girls and hotel rooms of the same caliber generally cost about the same.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]As a rule of thumb this obviously works for you so hats off.

It's pretty straight forward to rate a hotel / hotel room, well accepted international standards to go on with lots of agencies and booking sites providing the rating. Problem how do you find an equivalent rating for girls. Is there a true correlation between price and quality?

So okay Say a 5 star in Bangkok is on average 5000. This covers go go girls 4000 with bar fine, most escorts 4000 on Smooci but not the top tier who don't appear there who can be up to 10000 , night club pickups 5000.

The majority of oilies and soapies are in the 2000 to 3000 range with some of the more specialized Hi end shops charging twice that and more.

Of course for the members acquainted with the scene few of us and yes there are a few ever pay 5000 and being a little presumptuous we all feel we know how to get a 5 star experience for less.

Anyway not a bad rule of thumb.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2340354]Yes at least 90% will be ladyboys, but I have taken girls from outside Thermae years ago. There are some plain girls sitting on a wall nearby sometimes. Occasionally you can find a pretty girl standing chatting to her LB friends, but you want to be very sure. Could ask to see the ID card, pretending to check her age.

Certainly the whole area from Soi4 to cowboy is getting very overrun with ladyboys. All Asians that go into 5 Star bar get approached by ladyboys, and they don't seem to object to it at all. Some LBs will soon be touching his (Asian guy's) crotch. Yet if a Farang goes in there, the ladyboys will ignore him, and the girls will approach instead. Seems strange to me. A very weird mixed business.[/QUOTE]I was walking past one night and was debating if I wanted to go in or not and saw a "stunning" girl at the bottom of the stairs right next to the door.

I get her line and say how much etc.

I asked several times you're a real girl.

Then I wonder? Can this be a lb? But she's so perfect?

I ask for ID, I can't remember what I saw.

I think it read MR on there somewhere?

It was a while ago, like in late 2018? But I think I saw MR.

So I ask? You're a boy? Why you lie to me.

He said because I really want to go with you!

Really? That's a good enough reason to them? LOL.

I think 99% on suk are lb?

But I should assume 100% after walking with mr tooms several times over there.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2340367]As a rule of thumb this obviously works for you so hats off.

It's pretty straight forward to rate a hotel / hotel room, well accepted international standards to go on with lots of agencies and booking sites providing the rating. Problem how do you find an equivalent rating for girls. Is there a true correlation between price and quality?

So okay Say a 5 star in Bangkok is on average 5000. This covers go go girls 4000 with bar fine, most escorts 4000 on Smooci but not the top tier who don't appear there who can be up to 10000 , night club pickups 5000.

The majority of oilies and soapies are in the 2000 to 3000 range with some of the more specialized Hi end shops charging twice that and more.

Of course for the members acquainted with the scene few of us and yes there are a few ever pay 5000 and being a little presumptuous we all feel we know how to get a 5 star experience for less.

Anyway not a bad rule of thumb.[/QUOTE]I would not in anyway consider a gogo gal to be 5 star and on par with a luxury hotel.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2340475]I would not in anyway consider a gogo gal to be 5 star and on par with a luxury hotel.[/QUOTE]Is that because she works in a go go?

Hello Experts,

Could you recommend any sexy girls who are up for a good 3 some in Bangkok?

I don't want to pick up the girls from the street. Not into that business.

Any recommendation to a senior here via PM would be appreciated.

Cheers.

K.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2340354] All Asians that go into 5 Star bar get approached by ladyboys, and they don't seem to object to it at all. Some LBs will soon be touching his (Asian guy's) crotch..[/QUOTE]I have a lady friend in Beijing that hangs out in the Mix Club. Last time I was with her she was complaining about the six post-op ladyboys who were working the club (2 Chinese, 4 Thai). She said Chinese men only care about what a girl looks like, they don't care if she used to be a man or if she no good at sex.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2340478]Is that because she works in a go go?[/QUOTE]No, that's because in my 20 years here I've never seen or talked to a gal in a gogo who is good looking, sophisticated enough, or well educated enough to be considered 5 star. A 5 star hooker would be one you could take to a 5 star restaurant and she'd be able to choose the wine. See'Mon. Gogo girls are for the most part farmer's daughters. Yes, some are decent looking, but 5 star? Hardly.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2340654]No, that's because in my 20 years here I've never seen or talked to a gal in a gogo who is good looking, sophisticated enough, or well educated enough to be considered 5 star. A 5 star hooker would be one you could take to a 5 star restaurant and she'd be able to choose the wine. See'Mon. Gogo girls are for the most part farmer's daughters. Yes, some are decent looking, but 5 star? Hardly.[/QUOTE]I met one one at Rainbow gogo in the back right hand corner of Nana. She didn't work there long, but she was awesome. She claimed she had married a Swedish guy when she was 18 years old and moved to Sweden to live at that time. She was 25 when I met her at Rainbow, and she claimed she had just gotten divorced and was working at Rainbow because the money was better than working in an office and she thought maybe she could meet a new husband with money working there. I took her long time and took her to Hard Rock Cafe to hang out with me. Not only a stunner, but extremely intelligent and sophisticated. You would have never guessed she was a gogo girl if you met her around town. I've never met another like her in the Thailand gogo's though.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2340654] she'd be able to choose the wine. [/QUOTE]Other than high end courtesans way out of my budget, where in the P4P world does someone commonly find hookers who are sophisticated enough, educated enough, and able to select fine wines?

The classiest P4P girl I ever met was a stripper in Las Vegas.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2340666] Not only a stunner, but extremely intelligent and sophisticated. You would have never guessed she was a gogo girl if you met her around town. [/QUOTE]I knew one hooker who liked red wine but oozed sexiness, so definitely not Hi So. I don't like Hi So at all anyway.

Another girl I fucked in a Soapy was very well educated, previously lived in Switzerland, had a child with a farang I believe (hard to remember) and had excellent English and German, widely travelled, very good looking, etc. The drawback was she had the loosest most cavernous pussy I ever encountered and could see this would mean she could not hold onto a BF. Not exactly great with your dick just flopping around inside a big space. Otherwise I might even have gone for her big time. Don't know if she had had a Hysterectomy or what, but clearly something was missing. (No not a Ladyboy. Normal pussy on the outside).

[QUOTE=Khundig;2340600]Hello Experts,

Could you recommend any sexy girls who are up for a good 3 some in Bangkok?

I don't want to pick up the girls from the street. Not into that business.

Any recommendation to a senior here via PM would be appreciated.

Cheers.

K.[/QUOTE]Dtom is an older Thai skinny girl (30's) with small tits, but tight pussy no baby, ex Suzie Wong, who worked at 5 Star bar, last I checked. She is an expert on 3-somes with a lot of experience and knows which girls will be good to work with (compatible). She likes licking pussy and doing lesbian stuff and fucking guys too. I used to take 3-somes almost every time at Suzie Wong in the far past, even using some real bi-sexual girls, but Suzie Wong was sold and I never go there any more, is quite different maybe.

LB Mamasan Dtaay at Tilac could probably fix you up with which girls are a good 3 some too. She has many years of experience.

My most recent 3-somes were Pat and Mali from Shark bar (both ex Suzie Wong girls). As long as get two girls that are very good friends and can work together, then it can work out. Have to be lucky to find real full bi-sexuals.

Eden has 3 somes as the standard booking, however my experience there was underwhelming with girls having set procedures, toys, and bad acting. That was many years ago. The line up was a bit too much on the ugly side too. My other problem is not wanting to be assigned one of the two girls and hence get one of the ugliest. I am fussy and like to have the major say in which girls are chosen.

Once had a 3 some at Chrome bar too, One girl was good the other soso, but I hear the standard of girls at wood bar and chrome bar has declined a lot, as has their amount of business. Times are tough. Not much skinny girls about these days. Even if you found one hot girl there, there might not be another suitable to join her.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2340692]Other than high end courtesans way out of my budget, where in the P4P world does someone commonly find hookers who are sophisticated enough, educated enough, and able to select fine wines?

The classiest P4P girl I ever met was a stripper in Las Vegas.[/QUOTE]My point was simply to refute the claim that quality and prices of hookers reflect hotel prices. I would say that high end escorts in developed nations would fulfill those requirements, which are not mine actually, although it would be nice to meet a gal who could actually get into my head sexually here. Guess that is a bridge too far.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2340666]I met one one at Rainbow gogo in the back right hand corner of Nana. She didn't work there long, but she was awesome. She claimed she had married a Swedish guy when she was 18 years old and moved to Sweden to live at that time. She was 25 when I met her at Rainbow, and she claimed she had just gotten divorced and was working at Rainbow because the money was better than working in an office and she thought maybe she could meet a new husband with money working there. I took her long time and took her to Hard Rock Cafe to hang out with me. Not only a stunner, but extremely intelligent and sophisticated. You would have never guessed she was a gogo girl if you met her around town. I've never met another like her in the Thailand gogo's though.[/QUOTE]Kind of like that Marcus Aurelius leader. Comes along once in 2 k years. I like women like that. They are usually much more fun in the sack than your average farmer's daughter.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2340730]Kind of like that Marcus Aurelius leader. Comes along once in 2 k years. I like women like that. They are usually much more fun in the sack than your average farmer's daughter.[/QUOTE]If you're rating 5 star girls based on their sophisticated taste in wine and general intelligence it got me wondering how many members would qualify as 5 star customers.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2340654]A 5 star hooker would be one you could take to a 5 star restaurant and she'd be able to choose the wine. [/QUOTE]You jest I guess, but the point of taking hookers is sex, no? Conversation, not really. Fine dining, hardly, unless to show off your trophy. Escorts are supposed to be multi-purpose. However the girls I use for conversation, are not the same girls I am paying for sex, generally. With hookers I just joke around, no serious topics.

It is true we can meet versatile girls that are pretty good at sex and conversation, and are not boring to take away on holiday for a few days as a temporary wife.

I once took my GF to the posh French restaurant in Phrom Phong, the name escapes me, because I wanted to try it. She did not specially go for the food and was not used to the rich but non spicy flavours, and no interest in wines at all. When the bill came for a few thousand Baht, she was a bit upset that I had wasted so much money that could have been better utilised. I actually thought I have been to much better value French restaurants back home. She is into good quality Japanese food now, but originally said she could not eat raw fish.

My GF is far more expert on good quality Ganga I think. When she has good quality, she is fucking horny every day. Beers help a bit but not the same. When the quality drops, she is not nearly so horny. So this is an important topic for me. Maybe I should try to see what is the effect on me.

Now I would like to find a top Spanish restaurant and mean to try some shortly. I do have a girl in mind to accompany me who is a good conversationalist, but not a hooker. We have to choose someone who is into Farang food and open to try something different. Not a Som Tam and Larp girl.

If I really want intelligent conversation I know a scientific boffin who works here in Thailand. He is so smart he does not attract many friends. Has huge knowledge on too many subjects.

I like to eat high quality food, but mainly do so when the price is very good too, or at least value for money. Back home, the Thai girl I would take to an extra good quality restaurant, is a top chef, and she won't find very ordinary food interesting or worth eating.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2340792]You jest I guess, but the point of taking hookers is sex, no? Conversation, not really. Fine dining, hardly, unless to show off your trophy. Escorts are supposed to be multi-purpose. However the girls I use for conversation, are not the same girls I am paying for sex, generally. With hookers I just joke around, no serious topics.

It is true we can meet versatile girls that are pretty good at sex and conversation, and are not boring to take away on holiday for a few days as a temporary wife.

I once took my GF to the posh French restaurant in Phrom Phong, the name escapes me, because I wanted to try it. She did not specially go for the food and was not used to the rich but non spicy flavours, and no interest in wines at all. When the bill came for a few thousand Baht, she was a bit upset that I had wasted so much money that could have been better utilised. I actually thought I have been to much better value French restaurants back home. She is into good quality Japanese food now, but originally said she could not eat raw fish.

My GF is far more expert on good quality Ganga I think. When she has good quality, she is fucking horny every day. Beers help a bit but not the same. When the quality drops, she is not nearly so horny. So this is an important topic for me. Maybe I should try to see what is the effect on me.

Now I would like to find a top Spanish restaurant and mean to try some shortly. I do have a girl in mind to accompany me who is a good conversationalist, but not a hooker. We have to choose someone who is into Farang food and open to try something different. Not a Som Tam and Larp girl.

If I really want intelligent conversation I know a scientific boffin who works here in Thailand. He is so smart he does not attract many friends. Has huge knowledge on too many subjects.

I like to eat high quality food, but mainly do so when the price is very good too, or at least value for money. Back home, the Thai girl I would take to an extra good quality restaurant, is a top chef, and she won't find very ordinary food interesting or worth eating.[/QUOTE]It should be ganja (not Ganga name is an Indian river). BTW is this okay legal to have in Bkk bcoz I have no clue just curious. I come from a place where it is legal so not really pining for it as such.

Over the years I have taken many girls to good restaurants like Landmark, terminal 21, Sofitel, etc. These have mainly been pickups from either Thermae or the nightclubs. I have eaten out with a few go go pickups but do not recall ever in a fancy place.

I now have a handful of girls on my list that I can call to give me company for meals & just hanging around, all of them expect to be rewarded in different ways except for a late 20's office cutie and an older early forties teacher, the former will usually end up in bed after wining & dining, but the latter is usually a miss.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2340792]You jest I guess, but the point of taking hookers is sex, no? Conversation, not really. Fine dining, hardly, unless to show off your trophy. Escorts are supposed to be multi-purpose. However the girls I use for conversation, are not the same girls I am paying for sex, generally. With hookers I just joke around, no serious topics.

It is true we can meet versatile girls that are pretty good at sex and conversation, and are not boring to take away on holiday for a few days as a temporary wife.

I once took my GF to the posh French restaurant in Phrom Phong, the name escapes me, because I wanted to try it. She did not specially go for the food and was not used to the rich but non spicy flavours, and no interest in wines at all. When the bill came for a few thousand Baht, she was a bit upset that I had wasted so much money that could have been better utilised. I actually thought I have been to much better value French restaurants back home. She is into good quality Japanese food now, but originally said she could not eat raw fish.

My GF is far more expert on good quality Ganga I think. When she has good quality, she is fucking horny every day. Beers help a bit but not the same. When the quality drops, she is not nearly so horny. So this is an important topic for me. Maybe I should try to see what is the effect on me.

Now I would like to find a top Spanish restaurant and mean to try some shortly. I do have a girl in mind to accompany me who is a good conversationalist, but not a hooker. We have to choose someone who is into Farang food and open to try something different. Not a Som Tam and Larp girl.

If I really want intelligent conversation I know a scientific boffin who works here in Thailand. He is so smart he does not attract many friends. Has huge knowledge on too many subjects.

I like to eat high quality food, but mainly do so when the price is very good too, or at least value for money. Back home, the Thai girl I would take to an extra good quality restaurant, is a top chef, and she won't find very ordinary food interesting or worth eating.[/QUOTE]No, I am not joking. There are hookers and then there are hookers. The hypothesis put forward was that a 5 star hooker and a 5 star hotel should be roughly the same price in any given city. So what's 5 star when it comes to hookers? Well, to me that would be a gal who has a very good understanding of the male anatomy, has a vast number of skills and techniques and can tailor the experience to the needs of the customer, during the act can read how the customer responds and adjust accordingly, understands seduction (including how to dress with proper lingerie) and has you paining to get insider her before your clothes are even off, and can engage in conversation both in the act of seduction and when making small talk. And may I add, has new tricks each and every time you see her. Now that would be a 5 star P4 P experience.

I was actually not blown away by my first trip to BKK back in 99. The gals were all a bit meh compared to my experiences in the states, both P4 P and non-P4 P. However, what I did like was the sheer volume and the fact that I could get laid for between 12.50 and 25 USD. It was about variety and price for me. And truth be told, with the exception of some oily gals, performance over the years has still been overall, meh. That was ok when I was paying 25 USD, but at 100 and over? Nah.

A few days ago an acquaintance told me that the small park between Soi 8 and Soi 10 on SUK has been converted into a night market but also features a live band and beer vendors. Has anyone been and noticed any action there?

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2340836]A few days ago an acquaintance told me that the small park between Soi 8 and Soi 10 on SUK has been converted into a night market but also features a live band and beer vendors. Has anyone been and noticed any action there?[/QUOTE]I live very near there and walk through several nights a week. No, there is no action, but some ok food, cheap beer, and an amazing amount of eye candy. Lots of smoking hot white skinned Chinese and Korean tourist gals. But warning, after you see them, when you venture out to the haunts on Sukhumvit the local lasses look pretty bad.

Hi gents,

I am on my way to Bangkok and I am look to screw for 7 glorious days and nights. I have heard of the fishbowls, but are there any other places I should visit? Massage Places, etc.

If they are, indeed, lasses in the true sense of the word.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2340837]I live very near there and walk through several nights a week. No, there is no action, but some ok food, cheap beer, and an amazing amount of eye candy. Lots of smoking hot white skinned Chinese and Korean tourist gals. But warning, after you see them, when you venture out to the haunts on Sukhumvit the local lasses look pretty bad.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2340837]I live very near there and walk through several nights a week. No, there is no action, but some ok food, cheap beer, and an amazing amount of eye candy. Lots of smoking hot white skinned Chinese and Korean tourist gals. But warning, after you see them, when you venture out to the haunts on Sukhumvit the local lasses look pretty bad.[/QUOTE]The place is overpriced. A "young fresh coconut" is 80 baht or is it something special?

First time at Thermae and just wanted to see for myself. Walk down the stairs and a man will ask you to buy a drink before you can browse the girls. It was a Wednesday around 10 pm and it was quite packed. The girls are lined up around the perimeter as well as the center. The guys are in a Congo line walking clockwise. There's barely any tables or space for you to stand. It seems to me like you just make a few laps, spot a girl you like, negotiate, and then on head out.

Not sure what the prices are but a few guys told me about 3 k for ST. Hotter girls will ask for more. There were some solid 7's and 8's sprinkled in the crowd but I just wanted to check out the scene and didn't ask. Definitely worth visiting at least once IMO.

[QUOTE=MikeTastic69;2340849]Hi gents,

I am on my way to Bangkok and I am look to screw for 7 glorious days and nights. I have heard of the fishbowls, but are there any other places I should visit? Massage Places, etc.[/QUOTE]Reading the forum would be a great start.

[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2340800]It should be ganja (not Ganga name is an Indian river). [/QUOTE]Ha ha. An English guy corrected my pronunciation of it too, after he did not recognise the word at all. Seems I pronounce it in the way similar to Indian, Sri Lankan, and West Indies and European way, where English and Americans may pronounce the letter A another way (as in can). For Thai way, it becomes like "ganchar".

English is supposed to be tolerant of different ways to pronounce vowels depending where you come from. Thai is not. Vowels sounds in Thai have to be correct.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2340955]...
English is supposed to be tolerant of different ways to pronounce vowels depending where you come from. Thai is not. Vowels sounds in Thai have to be correct.[/QUOTE]Really? I heard the reason Thai TV shows will often have Thai subtitles even though the actors are all speaking Thai is because there are so many different regional Thai dialects, some regions might have trouble understanding what the actors are saying and they need subtitles. Like a thick Cockney dialect in London.

Are the vowels not a factor from region to region in Thailand?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2340865]The place is overpriced. A "young fresh coconut" is 80 baht or is it something special?[/QUOTE]Krapow stall is good, as is the padthai, also Pit Bull BBQ does nice ribs and a good pulled pork sandwich, and beer is reasonable as well. And again, amazing eye candy.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2340654]No, that's because in my 20 years here I've never seen or talked to a gal in a gogo who is good looking, sophisticated enough, or well educated enough to be considered 5 star. A 5 star hooker would be one you could take to a 5 star restaurant and she'd be able to choose the wine. See'Mon. Gogo girls are for the most part farmer's daughters. Yes, some are decent looking, but 5 star? Hardly.[/QUOTE]This is a poor way of judging a working girl. Appearance and performance are the only factors to consider. Wasting a "star" on whether she knows what wine to pick is pretentious and unnecessary. At least here in Silicon Valley, good looking educated girls make $150 k+ and don't need to hook.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2340475]I would not in anyway consider a gogo gal to be 5 star and on par with a luxury hotel.[/QUOTE]The check in and check out process is probably a lot smoother at the 5 star hotel.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2340958]Really? I heard the reason Thai TV shows will often have Thai subtitles even though the actors are all speaking Thai is because there are so many different regional Thai dialects, some regions might have trouble understanding what the actors are saying and they need subtitles. Like a thick Cockney dialect in London.

Are the vowels not a factor from region to region in Thailand?[/QUOTE]Yes that is the reason you will see Thai subtitles on local TV.

In fact many Isan people have extremely low literacy rates in Thai.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2340968]Krapow stall is good, as is the padthai, also Pit Bull BBQ does nice ribs and a good pulled pork sandwich, and beer is reasonable as well. And again, amazing eye candy.[/QUOTE]I did not try anything there.

Do you notice any price increase? I noticed juice and coconut from street carts has increased from 40 baht a month ago to 50 baht now. Hair cut is also more expensive from a couple of months ago. The prices seem unchanged in other areas.

The rarity of seeing fully naked post-op LBs was a topic several months ago. I happened to drop into Enter Go-Go Bar on the 3rd floor of Nana Plaza last night about 10pm and, lo and behold, there was one inside the glass shower stall giving a full view show. After his/her set, another one took over for the next 15 minutes or so.

My date was fascinated. It was her and my first live and relatively up close view of a post-op man-made replica of a vagina. Of the outside of one, that is. You'll want to sit in the booths on the opposite side of the shower stall as you enter Enter for the best vantage point.

Just reporting on an LB Show here, of course, nothing about barfining one.

The rest of the line up in Enter last night, the genuine females among them I mean, was low on lookers but seemed high on enthusiastic attention from the stage. But I already had a date sitting with me so that sometimes inspires a lot more positive body language toward me from girls on a Ladydrink hustle. One or two of the girls might have been lobbying for a possible threesome. I wasn't interested so didn't investigate further.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2341337]I did not try anything there.

Do you notice any price increase? I noticed juice and coconut from street carts has increased from 40 baht a month ago to 50 baht now. Hair cut is also more expensive from a couple of months ago. The prices seem unchanged in other areas.[/QUOTE]I am always amused reading annual inflation stats for Thailand which usually show 1% or thereabouts.

I don't which basket of goods and services they use but it certainly doesn't reflect your average expats experience. My cup of tea at my favorite tea shop just went from 50 baht to 60 Baht still cheap I know but reflects a 20% increase.

Price hikes for items under 100 baht now seem to be in increments of at least 5 Baht and more often 10 baht.

Prices differ. Bangkok is more expensive than Pattaya which in turn is more expensive than Chiangmai which is more expensive than Khonkaen which is more expensive than Lampang and so on.

Notwithstanding the current strength of the Baht and price increases over the past 5 to 10 years for health, dining, clothing and general living Thailand is my experience still a relatively cheap place to live, not as cheap as some other Asian countries but in comparison to the so called developed world.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2338441]Based on recent positive reports from Natty Bumpo, Catire, Banana Boi (others?) and a couple of friends who don't post here, I decided on a whim to revisit Patpong last night about 9:45 PM[/QUOTE]Thank you for the helpful report EihTooms!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2340837]I live very near there and walk through several nights a week. No, there is no action, but some ok food, cheap beer, and an amazing amount of eye candy. Lots of smoking hot white skinned Chinese and Korean tourist gals. But warning, after you see them, when you venture out to the haunts on Sukhumvit the local lasses look pretty bad.[/QUOTE]Would those Chinese / Korean gals be pullable do you think GoatScrot?

Next year Makha Bucha Day dates are:

9 Feb Sun Makha Bucha Day.

10 Feb Mon Makha Bucha Holiday.

I have been in Phuket and remember GoGo bars closing but based on those dates when will the bars actually close?

Would it be from 11:59 pm on Saturday night until 11:59 pm on Sunday night or until 11:59 pm Monday night?

It really sucks as I will be in Bangkok right over these days.

I have been enjoying sex holidays in Germany for over 10 years now, and looking to change things up. Bareback sex is pretty openly available all over Germany. I know it is as well in Philippines. Bangkok is a lot easier for me to get to. Just wondering the availability of bareback sex in Bangkok? Where to look and how much up charge?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2340955]Ha ha. An English guy corrected my pronunciation of it too, after he did not recognise the word at all. Seems I pronounce it in the way similar to Indian, Sri Lankan, and West Indies and European way, where English and Americans may pronounce the letter A another way (as in can). For Thai way, it becomes like "ganchar".

English is supposed to be tolerant of different ways to pronounce vowels depending where you come from. Thai is not. Vowels sounds in Thai have to be correct.[/QUOTE]Some words have accepted variants and others don't. Even in Thai there are words where the vowel sound may be changed, shortened or altered depending on the speaker / region but is still understood by a native speaker with ease in most cases. As far as this word, I think the "G" was the issue. Spelling it as Ganga will throw anyone off. Most places worldwide including in America it's pronounced ganja and the a doesn't rhyme with can, just like in the original Hindi / Sanskrit form. Those who say it in a way that rhymes with "can" are chiefly English or just trying to be comedic.

[QUOTE=DFWdude;2341579]I have been enjoying sex holidays in Germany for over 10 years now, and looking to change things up. Bareback sex is pretty openly available all over Germany. I know it is as well in Philippines. Bangkok is a lot easier for me to get to. Just wondering the availability of bareback sex in Bangkok? Where to look and how much up charge?[/QUOTE]Not answering your question really, but I was amazed how many girls in Manila wanted BB. Very short flight from Hong Kong and only 30 euros for a couple of hours, maybe something to consider.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2340958]Really? I heard the reason Thai TV shows will often have Thai subtitles even though the actors are all speaking Thai is because there are so many different regional Thai dialects, some regions might have trouble understanding what the actors are saying and they need subtitles. Like a thick Cockney dialect in London.

Are the vowels not a factor from region to region in Thailand?[/QUOTE]It's just for ease and also the fact that on some shows the characters may not be speaking Thai but a regional dialect that Bangkokers maybe wouldn't fully understand. They also use the subtitles to render what's being said with correct grammar. Important for on site news interview situations where locals speaking may not care to follow or don't know how to use proper grammar. Pronunciation (including vowels) and word usage here varies region to region just like any other country but the subtitles are mainly for the reasons above.

[QUOTE=DFWdude;2341579]I have been enjoying sex holidays in Germany for over 10 years now, and looking to change things up. Bareback sex is pretty openly available all over Germany. I know it is as well in Philippines. Bangkok is a lot easier for me to get to. Just wondering the availability of bareback sex in Bangkok? Where to look and how much up charge?[/QUOTE]It can be found anywhere but it's probably better to just find a girl you like first and discuss it with her privately since it's not exactly advertised. And would you really want to go with a girl who someone says will 100% go bareback with any random guy she meets?

So I've been to Bangkok twice and both times I went here based on reports. Unfortunately, both times I didn't have a very good experience. The first time I got two girls. They were both very cute and one of them moved extraordinarily well, but neither came as advertised. Neither would do bareback BJ or CIM and they refused to do anything with each other or even with me at the same time. So basically, I had sex with one girl as the other watched and then they switched. I should have done a better job securing everything I wanted before we got to the hotel, but I know some of it was agreed on. Which brings me to the 2nd time. Again, I found a very pretty girl, went to the hotel the bar has available, but when we got there she suddenly didn't do CIM or COF. I know we agreed on it, but she said that she didn't understand English and it was a bad communication. She seemed to understand English fine when it suited her. To top it off, she said she needed to stop for something at the store and then she asked me to buy the condoms, which I was fine with, but that also included some deodorant and a drink. I found it embarrassing to go into a well-lit store with tourists with a girl who I was obviously paying to have sex with. I'm pretty sure I could have gotten my money back if I complained since we didn't do much, but decided to move on.

Unfortunately, I can't recall how much I paid in either case because there was the bar fine, the girl price, and the hotel price. Maybe 2000-3000?

[QUOTE=DFWdude;2341579]I have been enjoying sex holidays in Germany for over 10 years now, and looking to change things up. Bareback sex is pretty openly available all over Germany. I know it is as well in Philippines. Bangkok is a lot easier for me to get to. Just wondering the availability of bareback sex in Bangkok? Where to look and how much up charge?[/QUOTE]My experience in finding above average looking Thai girls who will agree upfront to providing bb for either the same rate or a bit more than they get from guys who never mention it has been fairly consistent for a few years now on the issue of easiest to most difficult places to get it.

In order from easiest to most difficult (for me):

Go-go girls, young and cute ones.

Non pro dating site girls.

Pro (freelancer) dating site and street girls.

Pro (freelancer) girls in Thermae.

Worst places for me, so bad I rarely even bother anymore, the wild over-reaction and erection-wilting buzzkill response is so predictable:

Massage shops of any kind anywhere including soapies and so-called PSE shops.

Beer Garden Soi 7 in Bangkok.

Anywhere in Pattaya (remember, this is about Thai girls who are at least above average in looks).

Bear in mind, I am not talking about a situation where the topic of bb, condom or no condom is never mentioned upfront and the customer just "goes with the flow" in the room. When I do that, I would be lucky if 20-25% of my overall sessions wound up with me getting BBFS+CIP, an unacceptable rate of success as far as I am concerned. But a lot of OTHER guys tell me they are getting much better results than that by "going with flow" in the room and not negotiating for it upfront. Maybe. So many variables in play.

No, I am talking about negotiating for bb upfront before taking a Thai girl you've never met or taken before. Which, if we are also talking about a Thai girl well above average in looks, is imo one of the heaviest lifts and daunting challenges in the P4P world. That mission is not for the faint of heart. Be prepared for all kinds of erection-wilting reactions, wild over-reactiions. Smile and move on to the next one. And, sure, the occasional simple, "Ok" or "Ok. How much you pay me?"

In the latter example, I find an additional 500 baht over the girl's general going rate is usually fine. Might be less than that but I just offer 500 baht more than I assume she is generally getting for basic standard covered FS. I don't bother creeping up to the magic number in 100 baht increments.

One other thought; never, never, never try to enter into an upfront negotiation for bb with a Thai girl if there is any possibility that another person or third party will overhear it or ever be aware of it, including her seeing you walking into the place or into her space with a wingman or buddy. Her answer will be NO for certain.

This particular P4P mission is a solitary pursuit in Thailand. Face and Thai culture demands it. You must treat this conversation as the most confidential and secret one in your life. If she sees you so much as walking down the street chatting it up with a friend before you separate to approach her, she has no idea what you are going to do if she says Yes to bb with you. As far as she knows you will turn around and shout across the street or across the room, "Hey, Fred! Guess what this little hottie just agreed to do for me!!"

Monger alone in Thailand if you want Thai girls to agree upfront to bb before you take them. But if you are fine with negotiating nothing so far off the basic standard covered FS fare, it really doesn't matter if you are alone or you surround her with everyone on your weekend beach volleyball team. If you agree to her usual going rate, she will probably say yes and go with you no matter what.

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2341602]Not answering your question really, but I was amazed how many girls in Manila wanted BB. Very short flight from Hong Kong and only 30 euros for a couple of hours, maybe something to consider.[/QUOTE]That mindset is the Catholic Church's gift to mongers in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2341713]

In order from easiest to most difficult (for me):

Go-go girls, young and cute ones.

Non pro dating site girls.

Pro (freelancer) dating site and street girls.

Pro (freelancer) girls in Thermae.

[/QUOTE]I agree here. I'd just switch gogo girls with the non pro girls. I can't remember the last time I used a condom with a normal girl or non-pro. It just doesn't even come up.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2341713]Massage shops of any kind anywhere including soapies and so-called PSE shops.[/QUOTE]Interesting, as I have found most all gals at the PSE shops will let you skin it.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2341741]Interesting, as I have found most all gals at the PSE shops will let you skin it.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but there are only what 3-4 truly PSE shops these days? There are literally hundreds of other massage shops around town where you won't find many girls willing to go skin on skin with you.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;2341792]Yeah, but there are only what 3-4 truly PSE shops these days? There are literally hundreds of other massage shops around town where you won't find many girls willing to go skin on skin with you.[/QUOTE]Correct and many of the gals in those places are trying to get away with CBJ as well.

What is a PSE shop?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2341860]What is a PSE shop?[/QUOTE]Shops like Tulip, Snow White, and Cherry that provide a "porn star experience. " Multiple pops, BBBJCIM, rimming, and with a large percentage of gals A+ all on the menu.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2341867]Shops like Tulip, Snow White, and Cherry that provide a "porn star experience. " Multiple pops, BBBJCIM, rimming, and with a large percentage of gals A+ all on the menu.[/QUOTE]Good to know. When I was in Medellin, some guy asked me where he could find a porn star experience. I had no clue what he was talking about. This clarifies it. Now that I know, I don't know why he was asking. Most of the girls I was with in Medellin gave me a PSE.

I've never been to those places you mentioned. However, I have had plenty of girls in Bangkok give me the PSE in my room.

[QUOTE=KBfjm;2341404]Thank you for the helpful report EihTooms![/QUOTE]Yes thanks indeed! It's is good to get some info from Patpong.

I plan on staying in the area in a few weeks skipping the Suk and the squalor there is kind of depressing. Though I probably will make a couple of trips out there to check things out.

I was there a couple of years ago with Banana Boy (before KC1 moved to their new diggs) and I had a blast. I was pretty impressed with the quality of girls especially at KC1 and Pink Panther and also by a couple of random girls working the bars. I hope I can repeat my luck on this upcoming visit.

But, sadly it sounds form your report that, as far as the negatives go (older and uglier girls, too many tats) Patpong is really not all that different from the lower scale gogos in Nana, SC or Patts.

Maybe I will try my luck with the Jap places?

I was in Patpong last night. I was only able to visit three go gos there. Pink Panther had a very solid selection. I also visited KC (not KC 1 or KC 2). I almost pulled the trigger with a 30 yr old blonde that looked 25 yrs old. Asking price was B800 barfine and B3000 for the girl. I almost went with her but changed my mind at the last minute. The problem for me is that there were ladyboys mixed in with the dancers there. I hate mixed bars. Walked into KC1 at 10 pm on this Sunday night. The girls looked good but there were no seats available so I left. Uncle V has me convinced that staying in the Patpong area would be a nice change of pace. I need to find a nice hotel near there. Now that I'm in my late 60's, I try to stay close to the action. This heat just kills me.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2341870]Good to know. When I was in Medellin, some guy asked me where he could find a porn star experience. I had no clue what he was talking about. This clarifies it. Now that I know, I don't know why he was asking. Most of the girls I was with in Medellin gave me a PSE.

I've never been to those places you mentioned. However, I have had plenty of girls in Bangkok give me the PSE in my room.[/QUOTE]I would say pse also includes swallow or at least CIP.

[QUOTE=Allover;2341911] I need to find a nice hotel near there. Now that I'm in my late 60's, I try to stay close to the action. This heat just kills me.[/QUOTE]I stayed at the Furam Xclusive Sathorn 2 years ago and I enjoyed the place. It's a 10 minutes walk from Patpong but the location was nice, with lot of small authentic Thai shops around.

The staff was very professional, guest were allowed, nice pool, and a steam room. The room was not the best but the equipment was good (except for the old style TV) and the size of the room was good also. It was 1400 baht when I took it, at that price it was worth it.

[QUOTE=Allover;2341911]Uncle V has me convinced that staying in the Patpong area would be a nice change of pace. I need to find a nice hotel near there. Now that I'm in my late 60's, I try to stay close to the action. This heat just kills me.[/QUOTE]For some time now I have been proportioning, in the early stages of my visits, a small percent of my total BKK time to staying in the Chit Lom - Ratchadamri neighborhood for exactly your stated purpose ie to gain easy access to Patpong. A metered taxi will cost around 65 baht back to my hotel with a girl in tow. This area also provides easy access to Nana which is my current favorite Go-Go pick-up scene. Sure, Nana is sleazy, but it feels like home. 555. And more importantly, I have lately found my favorite best girls there. Patpong is my 2nd favorite Go-Go pick-up scene. And Soi Cowboy, unfortunately, lags far behind. Anyway, I like to stay in this neck of the woods (Chit Lom) in the early stages of my trip because once I establish friendly relations with a couple of Patpong working girls, it is not a problem, as if it ever was, to take them in a taxi back to wherever I am staying on Sukhumvit like soi 19 or soi 24 for example. And as an extra bonus, I have very close proximity to Spasso and Mixx, both interesting and sometimes rewarding 5-star hotel FL pick up bars.

So, there are a number of great hotels in the area. High budget: I like the Intercontinental best (Mixx is in the basement), then the Grand Hyatt (Spasso is in the basement & the Grand has a great pool). High High budget: the new Park Hyatt which is currently beyond my allowable expenses, but it looks really good. If money were no object I would stay here. And lastly, I will also recommend the Marriott Courtyard which has very nice rooms and a good pool for around 2800 baht / night or less.

The current Patpong Go Go's that I like are Kings Castle 1, Kings Castle 2, Pink Panther, and Badabing. Additionally, I have heard good things about the newly opened Glamour Go Go which is owned by the Badabing group. I plan to check them out on my next visit. I enjoyed reading EihTooms's recent report. It was interesting that he found his girl in King's Corner (Patpong 1) which is a mixed Go Go. I have been in there a couple of times. I prefer Kings Castle 1 and Pink by a wide margin, but hey, that's is just my opinion and on any given night YMMV. A couple of years back I barfined a Kings Castle 2 girl and she told me she originally worked in the Kings Corner (Patpong 1 bar), but left. I asked her why and she said on account of the ladyboys and I understood what she meant. LB's can appear to be somewhat domineering to a young girl fresh off the bus. Another Patpong bar that people can't seem to agree on is Black Pagoda. I am not a big fan because I don't find many of their girls all that attractive, but Black Pagoda girls are very friendly in a totally laid back way, so I guess some patrons like to go there just to meet up, have a drink, relax and whatever. When I was last there the AC was not working properly and temp inside the bar was uncomfortably warm.

[QUOTE=Allover;2341911]I try to stay close to the action. This heat just kills me.[/QUOTE] I have all but given up on the BTS. It's always way too crowded. I take taxis or motor cycle taxis almost everywhere now. Try taking a motor cycle taxi from Ratchadamri to Nana (Soi 4) or from Sukhumvit Soi 24 to the Thai Cultural Centre in rush hour. I guarantee you it will take years off your life. LOL.

[QUOTE=Allover;2341911]I was in Patpong last night. I was only able to visit three go gos there. Pink Panther had a very solid selection. I also visited KC (not KC 1 or KC 2). I almost pulled the trigger with a 30 yr old blonde that looked 25 yrs old. Asking price was B800 barfine and B3000 for the girl. I almost went with her but changed my mind at the last minute. The problem for me is that there were ladyboys mixed in with the dancers there. I hate mixed bars. Walked into KC1 at 10 pm on this Sunday night. The girls looked good but there were no seats available so I left. Uncle V has me convinced that staying in the Patpong area would be a nice change of pace. I need to find a nice hotel near there. Now that I'm in my late 60's, I try to stay close to the action. This heat just kills me.[/QUOTE]I don't remember anyone mentioning this but seniors get a discount on the MRT. I can go from Sukhumvit to Silom for 9 thb. Or Sukhumvit to China Town for 14 thb. BTS has no senior discount and is way to crowded.

You just mention senior and the station to the chit seller and she will give you the discount. I think it is 55 and older. Always get a seat if I want it but I usually give it up to older or pregnant ladies.

And to agree with many comments about Soi Cowboy. It has gotten very bad. They must be getting the dancers from Soi 4 Nana wall. Lighthouse girls were so bad I went outside to finish my beer. And many fatties working as coyotes.

RL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2341741]Interesting, as I have found most all gals at the PSE shops will let you skin it.[/QUOTE]By "let you skin it" (allow you to engage in BBFS+CIP?), does that mean your experience in that regard is mostly the result of booking a new girl and time and then "going with the flow in the room" to a degree where the topic of BBFS+CIP comes up and she agrees to it with or without an additional fee or that it just evolves that way naturally? If so, then that isn't really what I was talking about. I was talking about getting an upfront agreement to provide BBFS+CIP from a girl you've never met or taken before and before booking the time with her. That is a very different challenge and, for some of us, a very different requirement than merely booking the girl, the time and then "going with the flow in the room" to find out then and only then if she will or won't allow BBFS+CIP.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2341966] I like to stay in this neck of the woods (Chit Lom) in the early stages of my trip.....I like the Intercontinental best (Mixx is in the basement),.... I will also recommend the Marriott Courtyard which has very nice rooms and a good pool for around 2800 baht / night or less.

The current Patpong Go Go's that I like are Kings Castle 1, Kings Castle 2, Pink Panther, and Badabing. ......I enjoyed reading EihTooms's recent report. It was interesting that he found his girl in King's Corner (Patpong 1) which is a mixed Go Go. .....Another Patpong bar that people can't seem to agree on is Black Pagoda. I am not a big fan because I don't find many of their girls all that attractive, but Black Pagoda girls are very friendly in a totally laid back way[/QUOTE]I prefer Chit Lom over the other parts of Sukhumvit as well but I'm too cheap to stay there. Will definitely look into the Marriot Courtyard next time. I have enjoyed Marriot Courtyard's elsewhere in the world. The Intercontinental Bangkok is very nice. I get to stay there when my buddies come on business trips.

Absolutely agree on your assessment of the best Patpong gogo bars. Black Pagoda ranked up with the other 2 years ago but the last few times I have been there only led to a disappointing walk back down the cat ur1ne smelling stairs.

Didn't even know King's Corner had girls there. All I ever saw were ladyboys outside sp never popped in.

I prefer Patpong. Girls are friendlier and gems can be found there. It's like comparing LK Metro to Walking Street. LK Metro just more laid back.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2341882]I was there a couple of years ago with Banana Boy (before KC1 moved to their new diggs) and I had a blast. I was pretty impressed with the quality of girls especially at KC1 and Pink Panther and also by a couple of random girls working the bars. I hope I can repeat my luck on this upcoming visit.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately not nearly as good as it was 2 years ago. I remember that beer bar girl. She was hot. Just a weird vibe in her bar with all the old grannies / fatties and just her.

For guys who are adventurous like I am and have time in Patpong, check out some of those bars upstairs from Star of Light. Yes the girls are usually older and only 3 or 4 girls per bar but they're free to check out. Found an amazing young Vietnamese girl there last year. Clearly working in a secluded bar because she is not allowed to work in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Sid64;2341476]Next year Makha Bucha Day dates are:

9 Feb Sun Makha Bucha Day.

10 Feb Mon Makha Bucha Holiday.

I have been in Phuket and remember GoGo bars closing but based on those dates when will the bars actually close?

Would it be from 11:59 pm on Saturday night until 11:59 pm on Sunday night or until 11:59 pm Monday night?

It really sucks as I will be in Bangkok right over these days.[/QUOTE]I was in Bangkok this year during Makha Bucha. From a practical standpoint (based on the above) I would plan on the following:

Bars will open a little early on Saturday night, and close at midnight.

Bars will be closed all day and night on Sunday.

Back to normal on Monday.

SL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2342010]By "let you skin it" (allow you to engage in BBFS+CIP?), does that mean your experience in that regard is mostly the result of booking a new girl and time and then "going with the flow in the room" to a degree where the topic of BBFS+CIP comes up and she agrees to it with or without an additional fee or that it just evolves that way naturally? If so, then that isn't really what I was talking about. I was talking about getting an upfront agreement to provide BBFS+CIP from a girl you've never met or taken before and before booking the time with her. That is a very different challenge and, for some of us, a very different requirement than merely booking the girl, the time and then "going with the flow in the room" to find out then and only then if she will or won't allow BBFS+CIP.[/QUOTE]I have no idea about CIP as I prefer to "come on" not "come in. " And you are correct, it is not discussed up front, but even though I am pretty much condom 100% for intercourse both vag and a+, I always like to see if the gal is up for BBFS. And I would say that at least 75% of the gals in the PSE shops are a go. And there is no additional fee involved. In fact, I have never tipped a Baht in the PSE shops, have been a customer for well over a decade, and get great service, of course depending on the gal. You can also read here as many dudes do post about the gals at the shops that do BBFS.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2341966]I have all but given up on the BTS. It's always way too crowded. I take taxis or motor cycle taxis almost everywhere now. Try taking a motor cycle taxi from Ratchadamri to Nana (Soi 4) or from Sukhumvit Soi 24 to the Thai Cultural Centre in rush hour. I guarantee you it will take years off your life. LOL.[/QUOTE]Why don't you rent a motorbike and drive yourself? I put about 1 k kilos a month on my bike driving around BKK. BTW, Grab Bike is great in BKK.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2342019]Didn't even know King's Corner had girls there. All I ever saw were ladyboys outside sp never popped in.[/QUOTE]BB I assume you are referring to my report where I mentioned KC. The KC mentioned was King's Castle. Not King's Castle 1 or King's Castle 2. I believe there is a bar that's just called King's Castle. I may have screwed that up. Not sure.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2342109]I have no idea about CIP as I prefer to "come on" not "come in. " And you are correct, it is not discussed up front, but even though I am pretty much condom 100% for intercourse both vag and a+, I always like to see if the gal is up for BBFS. And I would say that at least 75% of the gals in the PSE shops are a go. And there is no additional fee involved. In fact, I have never tipped a Baht in the PSE shops, have been a customer for well over a decade, and get great service, of course depending on the gal. You can also read here as many dudes do post about the gals at the shops that do BBFS.[/QUOTE]If your assessment is that 75% of the girls working in the PSE shops are a go for BBFS+CIP, presumably by their say so after you are already in the room with them, would you also say that same 75% of the girls working in those PSE shops qualify as above or well above average looking P4P Thai girls as was another premise in my post?

Also, I read about a lot of repeats with a rare few girls in those shops. Not just you, but others. I think there are maybe 4 PSE Massage Shop girls in all of Bangkok whose names are mentioned over and over again that have been done and repeated so often and for so many years by some here, they know their work and vacation schedule by heart, the names and birthdays of their pet dogs and cats, their mother's maiden name and their grandchildren's shirt and shoe sizes. Can anyone even recall if one of those girls said Yes upfront to BBFS+CIP before booking her for the first time back in the day? And, of course, that might have been 10-15 years ago when everything was easier and cheaper in Bangkok, including BBFS+CIP.

[QUOTE=Allover;2342128]BB I assume you are referring to my report where I mentioned KC. The KC mentioned was King's Castle. Not King's Castle 1 or King's Castle 2. I believe there is a bar that's just called King's Castle. I may have screwed that up. Not sure.[/QUOTE]No, I was responding to others discussing King's Corner, which IIRC there are 2 bars in Patpong. I'm pretty certain there isn't a 3rd King's Castle. Can't even recall if King's Castle 1 and 2 even specify a number on their sign. King's Castle 1 is the bigger one.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2342019]

For guys who are adventurous like I am and have time in Patpong, check out some of those bars upstairs from Star of Light. Yes the girls are usually older and only 3 or 4 girls per bar but they're free to check out. Found an amazing young Vietnamese girl there last year. Clearly working in a secluded bar because she is not allowed to work in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip brother! I will check it out. Finding those hidden gems is one of the best things about this hobby.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2342168]No, I was responding to others discussing King's Corner, which IIRC there are 2 bars in Patpong. I'm pretty certain there isn't a 3rd King's Castle. Can't even recall if King's Castle 1 and 2 even specify a number on their sign. King's Castle 1 is the bigger one.[/QUOTE]King's Castle 1 and King's Castle 2, both on Patpong 1 Road, do designate their number on the signage. There is no King's Castle 3 as far as I can recall.

King's Corner is also on Patpong 1 Road, a short walk past King's Castle 2. The night I was there recently I would say it was as mixed gender LB and genuine female percentage-wise as Sucker's Go-Go Bar (is it called Lollipop again now?), the first go-go bar on the left as you enter Nana Plaza. Also about as much as Enter Go-Go Bar on the third level of Nana Plaza was a few nights ago. My impression was King's Corner is even bigger than King's Castle 1. In terms of square meters or square footage, King's Corner is probably the biggest go-go bar on either Patpong 1 or 2 Road.

King's Corner 2 is near King's Corner on a small sub soi between Patpong 1 Road and Patpong 2 Road, a little closer to Patpong 2 Road I think. I did not walk past that bar when I was in the area last time. As far as I know, it is not a mixed gender bar, it is 100% LB.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2342164]If your assessment is that 75% of the girls working in the PSE shops are a go for BBFS+CIP, presumably by their say so after you are already in the room with them, would you also say that same 75% of the girls working in those PSE shops qualify as above or well above average looking P4P Thai girls as was another premise in my post?

Also, I read about a lot of repeats with a rare few girls in those shops. Not just you, but others. I think there are maybe 4 PSE Massage Shop girls in all of Bangkok whose names are mentioned over and over again that have been done and repeated so often and for so many years by some here, they know their work and vacation schedule by heart, the names and birthdays of their pet dogs and cats, their mother's maiden name and their grandchildren's shirt and shoe sizes. Can anyone even recall if one of those girls said Yes upfront to BBFS+CIP before booking her for the first time back in the day? And, of course, that might have been 10-15 years ago when everything was easier and cheaper in Bangkok, including BBFS+CIP.[/QUOTE]Nope, I would not claim that most are lookers or that anyone of them would say yes to BBFS when asked up front. Quite the contrary for looks in most instances now. Back in the day there were quite a few lookers at Mango and Snow. Not at the present time. Nadear, who started her career working at Tulip and has now owned two shops herself, the defunct Victoria and now Cherry, told me it is very difficult to find good looking gals who are willing to provide a true PSE. I would imagine that is the case considering how much more conservative Asia and Thailand are at the present. The Asian punter does not demand PSE or GFE and seems to be satisfied with a ride with a pretty face.

For me BBFS is not a requirement, but a gal with a filthy mind who has really honed her craft is. A gal who is going to look you in the eye and says she can't wait to shove her tongue up your a$$ or wants to taste your c&m. A gal who is seductive and intense, not just a pretty face and body that has no sexual personae. There are lots of decent looking GoGo gals that will take your 100 USD plus and give you their one trick BBBJ and fast screw and perhaps cuddle up after for a minute and act sweet (ugh), but to really spend time, take you up and down and then finally to a mind blowing climax, well, I find very few of those. In fact, since my two regulars moved on almost three years ago, I have found none. Tom / Min of Tulip then SW was my last regular. Probably did her about once a month for 5 years. Each and every time I was with her she had a new trick or technique up her sleeve. She was very in tune to the male anatomy and thrilled in being able to really pleasure a dude. She could always elicit a second shot from me with a BBBJ in about 5 min or less. I would imagine she was able to easily adjust for the wants and needs of different customers. She also gave an amazing Thai massage between rounds that would put me in a very relaxed state before that amazing BBBJ. A truly professional provider and that is what I expect. Most of the old Tulip and original Mango and Snow gals would provide a very similar service. You really don't get that these days at all. For the most part each and every gal recently is a let down.

There was a King's Castle 3 that was closed several years ago. King's Corner 2 looks like to be a ladyboy bar with many post-op's, not sure about the percentage.

I would skip King's Castle 2. It is smaller and there were not many girls present the two times I was there in the last two months.

Hey guys, m staying in patpong area for a week or so, come some one suggets some nice massage place os some other not to be missed experience in patpong? And if any any one of you would want to go out mongering together drop me a Pm. TIA.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2339156]My least favourite comedian: possibly Will Ferrell. [/QUOTE]You may need to be American to get his humor. Dude is funny as hell in my book.

Spot on imitation of harry caray.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQDqRlMeJ4U[/URL]

Evil Boss.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vFTMjYJTnY[/URL]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2342019]I prefer Chit Lom over the other parts of Sukhumvit as well but I'm too cheap to stay there.[/QUOTE]Have you considered AirBnB? There are some really great options available for very reasonable prices. You might argue that AirBnB does not come with regular room service, but usually if you tell the owner / manager of the AirBnB or even the security guard downstairs, they will arrange for a maid to come and clean up the room everyday, if you want that. Towels can be arranged to be changed every day too. Sure, there will be no breakfast included but in Bangkok, who needs that. The sheer plethora of fantastic cafes, all minutes away from nearly every location makes that totally redundant.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2342054]I was in Bangkok this year during Makha Bucha. From a practical standpoint (based on the above) I would plan on the following:

Bars will open a little early on Saturday night, and close at midnight.

Bars will be closed all day and night on Sunday.

Back to normal on Monday.

SL.[/QUOTE]Thanks. So there is no chance the bars would re-open on Monday morning at 12:00 am?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2342110]Why don't you rent a motorbike and drive yourself? I put about 1 k kilos a month on my bike driving around BKK. BTW, Grab Bike is great in BKK.[/QUOTE]That's an interesting suggestion. Back in '01 I rented a car to drive down to Pattaya and then on to Koh Chang. I enjoyed that trip a lot and was able to visit the dark side and other various places of interest around Pattaya with ease and in comfort.

When I returned to BKK I had an extra day on the rental, so I drove up to Ayutthaya and later that day I drove around BKK as far as the Chao Phraya. I found driving in BKK in a car to be a big pain in the ass and vowed to never do it again. 555. But I do think a bike rental might be a good idea for a resident like yourself who knows BKK well and especially for short drives up and down the Sukhumvit sois. (Did I spell soi plural correctly?) But I think I will hold off on the motorcycle rental until I take up residence.

Grab Bike, on the other hand, sounds like a really good idea. I will give them a try on my next visit.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2342678]I found driving in BKK in a car to be a big pain in the ass and vowed to never do it again. 555. But I do think a bike rental might be a good idea for a resident like yourself who knows BKK well and especially for short drives up and down the Sukhumvit sois. (Did I spell soi plural correctly?) But I think I will hold off on the motorcycle rental until I take up residence.

Grab Bike, on the other hand, sounds like a really good idea. I will give them a try on my next visit.[/QUOTE]You guys are braver than me. I wouldn't get on a bike in BKK under any circumstances. I used to rent bikes in Pattaya when I traveled with a wingman. It was always the highlight of our trip. But at the suggestion of guys on this forum (and enforcement tactics of Pattaya police) I stopped doing it.

[QUOTE=Allover;2342714]You guys are braver than me. I wouldn't get on a bike in BKK under any circumstances. I used to rent bikes in Pattaya when I traveled with a wingman. It was always the highlight of our trip. But at the suggestion of guys on this forum (and enforcement tactics of Pattaya police) I stopped doing it.[/QUOTE]I've owned a two scooters during my tenure. Ride about 1,000 kilometers a month. There are so many places to explore in BKK and it would be very hard to do without a motorbike. The best little hole in the wall restaurants are not in the Sukhumvit area for one thing! Is it dangerous? Absolutely, I have been down a couple of times and broke my hand when a taxi driver opened his door as I was driving by. But traffic is getting worse and spending hours in a car is not an option for me.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2342678]That's an interesting suggestion. Back in '01 I rented a car to drive down to Pattaya and then on to Koh Chang. I enjoyed that trip a lot and was able to visit the dark side and other various places of interest around Pattaya with ease and in comfort.

When I returned to BKK I had an extra day on the rental, so I drove up to Ayutthaya and later that day I drove around BKK as far as the Chao Phraya. I found driving in BKK in a car to be a big pain in the ass and vowed to never do it again. 555. But I do think a bike rental might be a good idea for a resident like yourself who knows BKK well and especially for short drives up and down the Sukhumvit sois. (Did I spell soi plural correctly?) But I think I will hold off on the motorcycle rental until I take up residence.

Grab Bike, on the other hand, sounds like a really good idea. I will give them a try on my next visit.[/QUOTE]If you move here; buy don't rent.

Hello all,

I've done a little mongering back in the states, but this is the first time I'm traveling international and one of my first destinations is Thailand, and the other is Saigon later in a week. Any help is appreciated.

I'm traveling with people so bringing them back to the place probably isn't an option LOL.

Regarding mongering with the above situation, how does it all work best or what would be everyone's suggestion? Would it be best to just get my own room strictly for mongering?

I'm also researching this thread to see what's the best areas or what I can do to approach / be approached. Any help, or even just pointed in the right direction would be great.

Looking for BJ / FS options.

Thanks in advance.

Hi guys,

Passing through Bangkok next week for a day!! Arriving early morning and leaving in the evening. (don't worry am back for 3 nights the week after). I got a girl I know for a meet up in the day but wondering about other options and I am not into the online stuff. I like the fun of chatting to girls over a beer then choosing. I can hang out at Hooters for lunch (just eyeing the Hooters girls asses) and I know there is the Eden Club on Sukhumvit 7/1 but wonder what other options might be available for daytime activity. Not massage places but clubs with girls. Thanks in advance for any local knowledge.

[QUOTE=Sid64;2342563]Thanks. So there is no chance the bars would re-open on Monday morning at 12:00 am?[/QUOTE]Unlikely. It is not worth it opening a bar for only 2 hours, and by staying closed it gives the employees a full day off.

There might be some low profile exceptions, but from what I experienced the lower Suk bars (ie NEP and Soi 4 venues) were all shuttered all day. And being a 'dry' day basically no outlets sell or serve alcohol including 7-11, grocery stores, restaurants, or hotel bars. Plan accordingly.

SL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2342774]If you move here; buy don't rent.[/QUOTE]Hey Goat, can you elaborate on the ease or difficulties of owning a car in Thailand? I always rent a car. Motor bikes are hot and nosier than a car by far. I like AC and good music when I travel and also the ease of a GPS.

What is the cost of license, registration and any other requirement. I live in Phuket when I come and a car is a must have.

Thank you in advance.

RL.

[QUOTE=GogoGuyz;2342820]Hi guys,

Passing through Bangkok next week for a day!! Arriving early morning and leaving in the evening. I got a girl I know for a meet up in the day but wondering about other options and I am not into the online stuff. I like the fun of chatting to girls over a beer then choosing. I can hang out at Hooters for lunch (just eyeing the Hooters girls asses) and I know there is the Eden Club on Sukhumvit 7/1 but wonder what other options might be available for daytime activity. Not massage places but clubs with girls. Thanks in advance for any local knowledge.[/QUOTE]1. Forget about Hooters when just across the street are Morning Night bar and Stumble Inn stocked with friendly afternoon hostess girls just waiting for the opportunity give you a BBBJ & Vaginal Intercourse. You can chat with them too over a couple of cold beers if that's what you want to do. They are very friendly. Hooters is a waste of time.

2. Don't cross off the Soi 24 & 26 Oily massage parlors as long as you are still considering a joint like Eden Club. That doesn't make much sense to me unless looks don't matter to you. IMHO Soi 24/Soi 26 massage parlors offer up the best afternoon opportunities with doable girls. But to each his own. Do what you like. Post a report afterwards.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2343028]Hey Goat, can you elaborate on the ease or difficulties of owning a car in Thailand? I always rent a car. Motor bikes are hot and nosier than a car by far. I like AC and good music when I travel and also the ease of a GPS.

What is the cost of license, registration and any other requirement. I live in Phuket when I come and a car is a must have.

Thank you in advance.

RL.[/QUOTE]Owning a car and getting a license is easy, albeit cars are expensive here. I wouldn't and don't own a car in Bkk because the traffic is horrendous. What takes me 15 min on a motorbike could take an hour plus in a car. Parking is also a problem with a car. Not for a bike.

Yes it's hot and you need rain gear, but you get used to it.

GPS? Not a problem. Plenty of phone mounts for motorbikes.

It's actually been great not having to own one over the past 20 years. It's one of the true benefits of living in a city. When I want to get out of Bkk and road trip, I just rent. And that's pretty cheap. But in the city? Way too much off a hassle.

[QUOTE=Nomad19;2340874]First time at Thermae and just wanted to see for myself. Walk down the stairs and a man will ask you to buy a drink before you can browse the girls. It was a Wednesday around 10 pm and it was quite packed. The girls are lined up around the perimeter as well as the center. The guys are in a Congo line walking clockwise. There's barely any tables or space for you to stand. It seems to me like you just make a few laps, spot a girl you like, negotiate, and then on head out.

Not sure what the prices are but a few guys told me about 3 k for ST. Hotter girls will ask for more. There were some solid 7's and 8's sprinkled in the crowd but I just wanted to check out the scene and didn't ask. Definitely worth visiting at least once IMO.[/QUOTE]I was in Thermae 2.5 years ago and sat with a couple of 8's chatted laughed walked out she wanted 10 k I was WTF are you kidding me. I went on with out her.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2343108]Owning a car and getting a license is easy, albeit cars are expensive here. I wouldn't and don't own a car in Bkk because the traffic is horrendous. What takes me 15 min on a motorbike could take an hour plus in a car. Parking is also a problem with a car. Not for a bike.

Yes it's hot and you need rain gear, but you get used to it.

GPS? Not a problem. Plenty of phone mounts for motorbikes.

It's actually been great not having to own one over the past 20 years. It's one of the true benefits of living in a city. When I want to get out of Bkk and road trip, I just rent. And that's pretty cheap. But in the city? Way too much off a hassle.[/QUOTE]Getting a driving license in Thailand is relatively straightforward.

There are separate licenses for cars and motor bikes.

If your home license qualifies driving a car and a motor cycle you do not have go through the practical test to get either.

In my situation my license didn't cover a bike so I had to do the practical test, involves weaving in and out between barriers and driving on an elevated narrow straight stretch of pavement. Before that you sit in front of a pc screen and answer 50 questions on the rules of the road and need 45 correct answers to pass.

To get the car license even if no practical road test is needed there are three rudimentary tests set up inside the building.

Testing your breaking response.

Testing your visual ability to align moving objects.

Testing your peripheral vision to distinguish colors.

As far as I could see nobody ever fails these.

The whole process takes maybe 3 to 4 hours depending on the queue size.

Not much English spoken so better if you know a local who has the time to go with you.

The costs are minimal.

As with much of what goes here licensing requirements when driving are inconsistent. Before I got my local licenses I have been stopped more than once and told my home country license is insufficient without an international driving permit and that I needed to pay a "fine".

I always carry and show a copy of my passport, license and relevant car or bike documentation. I explain politely with a smile that a senior police officer good friend of mine in Thonglor police station told me I don't need an international driving permit and then drive on without any repercussions.

As to driving in Thailand by car or bike patience concentration and a relaxed confidence is essential to get there safely.

In Bangkok specifically you've got to be chilled especially on a bike more so during rush hours madness.

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's fun but on a good day it can be a buzz weaving in and out getting to the front of the lineup and then opening up the throttle on a clear stretch ahead.

I've read a lot of negative comments on the oily massage parlours, but thought I'd share my experience in case it inspires others to keep looking, as I believe there are still a few diamonds in the rough left to be discovered in the Phrom Phong area. That's where I met my dream massage girl anyway. Age 29, with the tightest most amazing figure imaginable with a great ass and perfect 36 c boobs. She has had no baby, so no baby damage, and had excellent English having lived abroad and travelled extensively, and the best personality you could hope for. Ticked all the boxes for me. She stayed with me for the full 3 nights and 4 days providing an absolute GFE in every interpretation of the meaning, both in the room and out on the town. Money wasn't discussed at all although I gave her what I think was more than fair when I left. She entertainment me 24 hrs a day taking me around various food places, bars and clubs and was the horniest little thing imaginable with the best bedroom skills I have ever known, always begging for sex which we had at least 7 or 8 times a day. Although I paid for the majority of our expenses out and about she also bought rounds of drinks, even paid for a massage for us both. She introduced me to her friends, took me to her apartment and to the airport at the end of my stay. All in all a great find and was well worth my trip to the massage parlour. I understand this is not what everyone is looking for during their stay but it could not have turned out any better for me. Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2343108]Owning a car and getting a license is easy, albeit cars are expensive here. [/QUOTE]You would not say that if you looked at the prices in Singapore. 5555

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2343108]It's actually been great not having to own one over the past 20 years. It's one of the true benefits of living in a city. When I want to get out of Bkk and road trip, I just rent. And that's pretty cheap. But in the city? Way too much off a hassle.[/QUOTE]I guess the golden rule of mongering applies perfectly here. Why own when you can rent?

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2343123]Getting a driving license in Thailand is relatively straightforward.
There are separate licenses for cars and motor bikes.
If your home license qualifies driving a car and a motor cycle you do not have go through the practical test to get either.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2343123]As with much of what goes here licensing requirements when driving are inconsistent. Before I got my local licenses I have been stopped more than once and told my home country license is insufficient without an international driving permit and that I needed to pay a "fine".
I always carry and show a copy of my passport, license and relevant car or bike documentation. I explain politely with a smile that a senior police officer good friend of mine in Thonglor police station told me I don't need an international driving permit and then drive on without any repercussions.[/QUOTE]You need a International Drive Permit (IDP) for convert your national driving license into thai driving license to avoid having to do written and practical tests.

I don't understand why you not need a IDP? Don't the rules apply to you? Never heard that someone can drive legally in Thailand without IDP and use their national driving license.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2343123]
To get the car license even if no practical road test is needed there are three rudimentary tests set up inside the building.
Testing your breaking response.
Testing your visual ability to align moving objects.
Testing your peripheral vision to distinguish colors.
As far as I could see nobody ever fails these.
[/QUOTE]You always have to do these 3 test when you renew your thai driving license (both car and bike). And yes, people fails the first two test. I have renewed my thai driving license thrice in Pattaya and I always saw someone who failed a test.

Are you guys ever scared being caught on camera by people who post videos on youtube, I. E. , King Epic, Thailand Red, AZIATKA, and etc? Some of these guys post people negotiating with girls or post videos of girls with their clients walking down the street. How do the pro women feel about these videos released on youtube? How are these guys able to get away with it? I don't think they can hide their camera that much.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2343280]You would not say that if you looked at the prices in Singapore. 5555[/QUOTE]Living in Phuket I always rent long term, it comes out to cost $13.50 a day, which is not bad. 3 or 4 Beers, if your counting. The problem is that I travel and park the car for the time I travel. If I rent short term the price goes up on the rental.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2343355]Living in Phuket I always rent long term, it comes out to cost $13.50 a day, which is not bad. 3 or 4 Beers, if your counting. The problem is that I travel and park the car for the time I travel. If I rent short term the price goes up on the rental.

RL.[/QUOTE]To drive or rent a car in Thailand, many car rental companies require a full driver's license with a photograph and be held for at least 2 years with no major endorsements.

Foreigners on short-term visit may rent a car and drive with a valid foreign driver's license in Thailand.

If your domestic driver's license is not in English, one of the documents below is required together with your original driver's license:

- an International Driving Permit (IDP) / International Driver's License (IDL).

- an official translation in English or Thai.

Drivers holding a valid driver's license of the 10 ASEAN member countries can use their national driver's license in the nine other countries without the need to obtain an IDP. These countries are Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand, and the Philippines.

UK drivers with the new-style photo card license will need both the paper counterpart and photo card. UK license holders who have a paper license only will also need an official photo for identification.

Age Requirement.

The minimum age generally to rent a vehicle in Thailand is 21 years old. If you're 21-25, you are likely to have to pay a young driver fee. If you're 65 or older, you may have to pay a senior driver fee. But the age restrictions may vary by different car categories and different car hire companies.

*Important Note: Each car rental company has its own requirements. Please check Terms and Conditions of your hire car during the booking process.

[QUOTE=Finn01;2343204]... there are still a few diamonds in the rough left to be discovered in the Phrom Phong area. That's where I met my dream massage girl …. She stayed with me for the full 3 nights and 4 days providing an absolute GFE in every interpretation of the meaning ...[/QUOTE]She'd tick all my boxes too. I've been to Thailand many times, but have usually avoided the oily massage places. I'm curious. How did you separate her from the establishment?

[QUOTE=WildBillLewis;2343377]She'd tick all my boxes too. I've been to Thailand many times, but have usually avoided the oily massage places. I'm curious. How did you separate her from the establishment?[/QUOTE]Easy. Just asked if she wanted to get something to eat! Guess sometimes you click with someone, sometimes you don't, and mileage will always vary I'm sure. I love a good massage so that always gets me in a good mood to start with. I always treat everyone with respect and kindness so I'm sure that helped put her at ease. I learned that she could come and go as she pleased with no financial penalty other than lost earnings when she didn't work. I'm not sure if all massage places give the girls this freedom but it worked in my favour for sure as she didn't need to hurry back to work.

[QUOTE=Finn01;2343204]I've read a lot of negative comments on the oily massage parlours, but thought I'd share my experience in case it inspires others to keep looking, as I believe there are still a few diamonds in the rough left to be discovered in the Phrom Phong area. That's where I met my dream massage girl anyway. Age 29, with the tightest most amazing figure imaginable with a great ass and perfect 36 c boobs. She has had no baby, so no baby damage, and had excellent English having lived abroad and travelled extensively, and the best personality you could hope for. Ticked all the boxes for me. She stayed with me for the full 3 nights and 4 days providing an absolute GFE in every interpretation of the meaning, both in the room and out on the town. Money wasn't discussed at all although I gave her what I think was more than fair when I left. She entertainment me 24 hrs a day taking me around various food places, bars and clubs and was the horniest little thing imaginable with the best bedroom skills I have ever known, always begging for sex which we had at least 7 or 8 times a day. Although I paid for the majority of our expenses out and about she also bought rounds of drinks, even paid for a massage for us both. She introduced me to her friends, took me to her apartment and to the airport at the end of my stay. All in all a great find and was well worth my trip to the massage parlour. I understand this is not what everyone is looking for during their stay but it could not have turned out any better for me. Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Which massage shop was it?

[QUOTE=WildBillLewis;2343377]She'd tick all my boxes too. I've been to Thailand many times, but have usually avoided the oily massage places. I'm curious. How did you separate her from the establishment?[/QUOTE]The massage places will be more difficult for LT type of relationship simply because the working hours are longer

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2343442]Which massage shop was it?[/QUOTE]Dream Heaven.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2343292]You need a International Drive Permit (IDP) for convert your national driving license into thai driving license to avoid having to do written and practical tests.

I don't understand why you not need a IDP? Don't the rules apply to you? Never heard that someone can drive legally in Thailand without IDP and use their national driving license.

You always have to do these 3 test when you renew your thai driving license (both car and bike). And yes, people fails the first two test. I have renewed my thai driving license thrice in Pattaya and I always saw someone who failed a test.[/QUOTE]I can only go on my own experience at Bang Chat. For the car licence no mention of an IDP and that seems to be borne out by other members experience.

As to failing the tests, I was around that room for about 45 minutes, Some failed a test first time, some even a second time but all continued repeating with the help of the attendant until eventually passing. Didn't see a single person turned away.

Different for the actual driving tests. I didn't need to do one for the car licence but did for the bike licence. There one foot on the ground and you're out and need new appointment to try again.

As to needing an IDP if you are pulled over. True it may be required but has qualifications depending on long you have been in the country etc. I've paid fines for speeding, crossing white lines, no helmet, not carrying my passport or driving licence but have never paid a fine for not having an IDP once I showed all docs re car, bike along with passport and home driving licence. Maybe just lucky. As an aside I have come to the conclusion the BIB are really not interested in a protracted prolonged hassle on a marginal issue such as having an IDP. Lots of easier opportunities to get your tea money quota for the shift.

[QUOTE=WildBillLewis;2343377]She'd tick all my boxes too. I've been to Thailand many times, but have usually avoided the oily massage places. I'm curious. How did you separate her from the establishment?[/QUOTE]There is no need to "avoid" a major category of providing suitable girls. Oily MPs are one of them. In all cases, your experience depends on the girl, and not on the premises.

Admittedly, certain types of venues have a very low success rate, in my case the Thermae having rock bottom success rate for me. So the big thing about any venue, is your ability to choose the right girl that is going to be fun for your style and having suitable looks, and suitable skills.

Choosing at an oily is tougher, especially if girls are over dressed to hide the body like at Addict as example. Also no chat to find out how much fun she might be. Also tough, because many oily have few girls with acceptable looks for me. However I would never give up. There will be some exceptional girls. I never right off a shop just because one girl was a poor experience too. Just write off the girl.

If you are a Farang like me, but visit a shop catering for Japanese, you will find the line up willing to do Farangs is very limited. That was my recent experience at Dozo. I did not want any of the 3 remaining girls of a total line up of maybe 12. I wanted the Jap / Asian only girls unfortunately. The plainer girls are less fussy. I am more fussy.

I recently decided not to do a particular bargirl any more. Certain things not working well. Does not mean I won't try another girl from same place.

A fabulous girl could be from an Oily, Soapy, bar, street walker, disco, etc. Just have to find them. I have a regular now, great in the room, and extra pretty and slim, originally met at an Oily MP. I knew I wanted her from very first second sitting outside the shop in bright sunshine as I was passing by. Many of my regular Oily girls over the years, were actually first seen outside in daylight. No pornstar but she likes a good fuck and therefore enjoyable.

Fun oily MP girls with good bodies do exist. In the end collect a list of girls and do them based on value for money. Strangely I don't really have any regular bar girls left, as my requirements changed a bit, but its a temporary coincidence. Just happened that a Soi 4 girl is providing better for less cost. Will I get bored with her? Her only weakness for me is extra small tits (I live with that since GF has contrasting larger tits).

Some of us, very difficult to please, rely a lot on regular girls that suit us great, so we don't have to risk a bad to mediocre session much. Oily MPs can be a venue with a good likelihood to choose a suitable girl if choose skilfully, or get a great tip (never got a great regular girl by reading a forum report so I don't know how worthwhile reports of girls are in here - maybe my taste is different). I use forum reports to consider to try venues, not specific girls.

I never had a GF come from an Oily MP. I agree that they have few days off. My current regular from an Oily before, visits me less often than I would like, too fucking busy with life hassles. A GF needs to be relatively hassle free. I did have one from a Soapy once, but she was too jealous, and angry too often. 'Normal' lady problems.

Friends,

Could anyone please suggest me where I can buy temporary SIM cards for my mobile in Thailand, I am landing in don meumng airport, is airport a good option, I am on a 6 days trip.

[QUOTE=DRMongerII;2343350]Are you guys ever scared being caught on camera by people who post videos on youtube, I. E. , King Epic, Thailand Red, AZIATKA, and etc? Some of these guys post people negotiating with girls or post videos of girls with their clients walking down the street. How do the pro women feel about these videos released on youtube? How are these guys able to get away with it? I don't think they can hide their camera that much.[/QUOTE]I've met the guy that runs the Thailand red channel when I was in Phnom Phen.

His camera is not hidden, it's just that nobody knows that he is recording a video. He was using a professional camear as the ones used to take good quality pictures, but it is also able to take videos.

He controls it with an application on his phone, so basically when you're near him, you just see him playing with his phone.

Some times they get caught, and if they act like jerks as the guy in the link below, they take a good beating by locals.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HtDT2zuxnU[/URL]

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2343442]Which massage shop was it?[/QUOTE]Dream Heaven.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2343519]
As to needing an IDP if you are pulled over. True it may be required but has qualifications depending on long you have been in the country etc. I've paid fines for speeding, crossing white lines, no helmet, not carrying my passport or driving licence but have never paid a fine for not having an IDP once I showed all docs re car, bike along with passport and home driving licence. Maybe just lucky. As an aside I have come to the conclusion the BIB are really not interested in a protracted prolonged hassle on a marginal issue such as having an IDP. Lots of easier opportunities to get your tea money quota for the shift.[/QUOTE]The problem with the international driving license is neither the police, nor the rental car agency. It's the insurance if you ever caused an accident with your rental car. Way too risky for me that the insurance won't cover the costs for my car accident just because I was driving without a legal license.

[QUOTE=Finn01;2343635]Dream Heaven.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.dreamheavenmassage.com/masseuses.php[/URL]#.

[QUOTE=Ricky81;2343571]Friends,

Could anyone please suggest me where I can buy temporary SIM cards for my mobile in Thailand, I am landing in don meumng airport, is airport a good option, I am on a 6 days trip.[/QUOTE]I bought my in airport. It is easy, you can find several shops. It is a little expensive than the shop in downtown, but you have the phone works right away and you can make phone call to your friend to pick you up. It is worth it.

Can you please suggest where to buy Viagra or Cialis without prescription in Bangkok?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Finn01;2343635]Dream Heaven.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.dreamheavenmassage.com/masseuses.php[/URL]#.

Me too oh please tell my Nordic friend is she one of these.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2343713][URL]http://www.dreamheavenmassage.com/masseuses.php[/URL]#.[/QUOTE]No her photos are not on the website. Personally I would not trust any such photos anyway as I always assume they are either out of date, heavily photoshopped or both! I'the rather go to these places and see the girls for myself. If you can see them sat outside in natural light even better.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;2343726]I bought my in airport. It is easy, you can find several shops. It is a little expensive than the shop in downtown, but you have the phone works right away and you can make phone call to your friend to pick you up. It is worth it.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the suggest mate, I will try to buy in airport, hope it's opened in early hours.

I have an upcoming trip, first in a while, and it will probably be around my 25th trip to The Land of Milk and Honey (what I call Thailand) and do I have some hijinks planned. I used to post on another, now defunct website, so hopefully some of you will know me. My BKK stomping grounds used to be Soi 11, but it's become too upscale for my taste. So 11+ 11 = 22 and Soi 22 will not be where I will stay. I like real Thailand, old Thailand, the Thailand I first encountered in the 1990's. Soi 22 reminds me of what Soi 11 once was. It will be a combination of Thai chicks I've met on ThaiCupid, old Thai GFs, massage shop ladies. I will post every sordid detail, the good, the bad and the ugly (and I always have all three).

I always post the unvarnished truth, there is no need to embellish. The first lady I will meet is named T. I have never met her, but we've been talking for months. She is in her late 20's, and has agreed to come over to my hotel and have sex with me. We made this plan months ago. She's a cutie and is a self-proclaimed nympho. We'll see what happens. Sometimes these things don't work out. The next night I will take out Nueng. Nueng is a fitness freak and a tight little unit. No idea how that will go. Then it's down to Pattaya to meet Richa, she has giant boobs and sells fish in the fish market. The next night Muyjung, she claims to love me. I have never met any of these chicks. Then I will return to BKK and will go out with Nicha the Nympho, although that is looking a bit dicey, she seems to be a little upset with me. But Nicha loves sex so I think all will be forgiven. The next two nights are free, we'll see what I do with them. Sunday Meaw will come over, that could be epic. I would post details but it might seem like bullshit so I will refrain for now. Of course, every day I will be visiting massage parlors and giving detailed reports and posting photos. I am not a falang kee nok, so hopefully people will find my posts informative and entertaining. My goal is to post every day.

Happy hunting.

Stayed at Majestic suites on Sukhumvit just around the corner from Nana plaza. Rooms were okay, clean, decent shower.

No problem betting girls in, they just get a card at reception to hand back in on the way out.

Took 2 girls from the street by Nana who were freelancers. First one was 1 k and the second 1.5 k. First one was food, BBBJ, covered fuck, come on here face.

Second one was more in a rush and business like.

Had a trip down Soi cowboy, stunner I would rate a 9 wanted 4 k so I passed.

Now in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Mombie75;2344000]Stayed at Majestic suites on Sukhumvit just around the corner from Nana plaza. Rooms were okay, clean, decent shower.[/QUOTE]That place used to be really cheap when it first opened and everything was new. They charge too much now and the rooms are older. It's still ok, but nothing compared to it's past great value.

Hello friends,

This is around 6 months back when I was in BKK, I met this beautiful girl online before coming Thailand. She came to my hotel from far place for a night stay, even she charged me less. Initially she was asking to present her a watch. But later she just took the money as discussed. It was quite a good experience like a GFE. She is little possessive too about me meeting other girls and I observed some mood swings in her.

She is ready to stay with me for 2 days in my upcoming trip for a decent money. I just want to know how safe it is to meet and stay with Thai girls. She works in a normal massage shop it seems. I am a average looker. Generally I hear Thai girls are genuine in the service and words. Any word of caution required here?

Hi all,

I am going to Pattaya trip in Aug 1st week.

Need some info please help me this is my first mongering trip:

Very first thing I am alone, is it safe to travel alone with out doing any crazy stuff except girl to my room. And which is best Pattaya or Bangkok.

1. Is anyone tried Fetish / BDSM clubs, if so how was the experience how safe it is and any specific good places.

2. I don't drink I am non alcoholic, so if want to pick any bar girls how to spend some in bar to pic a girl as I don't drink.

3. Girls for night means how many shots, is there any specific number.

4. Planning to experience Nuru massage, how it was any good places for this.

Please some one help me with the info on dos and don'ts.

[QUOTE=Ricky81;2344561]Hello friends,

This is around 6 months back when I was in BKK, I met this beautiful girl online before coming Thailand. She came to my hotel from far place for a night stay, even she charged me less. Initially she was asking to present her a watch. But later she just took the money as discussed. It was quite a good experience like a GFE. She is little possessive too about me meeting other girls and I observed some mood swings in her.

She is ready to stay with me for 2 days in my upcoming trip for a decent money. I just want to know how safe it is to meet and stay with Thai girls. She works in a normal massage shop it seems. I am a average looker. Generally I hear Thai girls are genuine in the service and words. Any word of caution required here?[/QUOTE]Seriously? First, you've already stayed with her once and now you don't know if you should trust her? Secondly, why come to Thailand for mongering if you're that afraid?

[QUOTE=Ricky81;2344561]Hello friends,

This is around 6 months back when I was in BKK, I met this beautiful girl online before coming Thailand. She came to my hotel from far place for a night stay, even she charged me less. Initially she was asking to present her a watch. But later she just took the money as discussed. It was quite a good experience like a GFE. She is little possessive too about me meeting other girls and I observed some mood swings in her.

She is ready to stay with me for 2 days in my upcoming trip for a decent money. I just want to know how safe it is to meet and stay with Thai girls. She works in a normal massage shop it seems. I am a average looker. Generally I hear Thai girls are genuine in the service and words. Any word of caution required here?[/QUOTE]Hi guy,

Enjoy your time! I have numerous good times time with online girls with GFE results. Mood swings are not good and could result in problems. I just pay attention to one girl at a time to discourage any jealousy as girls will put an ownership sign on you. They want our money so never lose sight of the fact that it is a financial transaction. Be careful as it might end up a permanent situation. Many Thai girls lie all the time, it is there nature. Keep your guard up and do not disclose too many personal details. Have fun and consider yourself a lucky man. Which online app did you use?

[QUOTE=GaijinGigolo;2344739]Seriously? First, you've already stayed with her once and now you don't know if you should trust her? Secondly, why come to Thailand for mongering if you're that afraid?[/QUOTE]Thanks for replying, I don't know for sure, may be it is because this time she is planning the hotel and she is bringing some male relative of her to pick and drop us. Or just I am anxious whether I should spend 2 days with her out of 5 days or try other fishes in the market. LOL.

[QUOTE=DCups;2293327]I don't vape but didn't know that it is illegal. I'm curious if other ISG posters know anything about this.[/QUOTE]It is still illegal. Stupid tourist me didn't think vaping would be illegal in Thailand. I mean come on, it's not cigarettes where folks litter street with cigarette butts, etc. I was pulled over by two Thai officers wanting to take me into police station. I kept playing stupid. Well, in fact I was just stupid bc I didn't do research beforehand. Anyways, I truly got off real lucky. Fines can be up to couple hundred USD to 10 year in prison. This is NO joke. Don't even bring that device in Thailand!

[QUOTE=Buksida1;2344749]Hi guy,

Enjoy your time! I have numerous good times time with online girls with GFE results. Mood swings are not good and could result in problems. I just pay attention to one girl at a time to discourage any jealousy as girls will put an ownership sign on you. They want our money so never lose sight of the fact that it is a financial transaction. Be careful as it might end up a permanent situation. Many Thai girls lie all the time, it is there nature. Keep your guard up and do not disclose too many personal details. Have fun and consider yourself a lucky man. Which online app did you use?[/QUOTE]Hi,

Yes, sometimes I feel that thing whether it will turn into something permanent, it's Thai friendly app, I don't know what goes in their mind, they block our number when contacting, sometimes they say have a boy friend and sometimes they say you too cheap, it's lot of labour from our side to catch a decent fish.

[QUOTE=Ricky81;2344751]Thanks for replying, I don't know for sure, may be it is because this time she is planning the hotel and she is bringing some male relative of her to pick and drop us. Or just I am anxious whether I should spend 2 days with her out of 5 days or try other fishes in the market. LOL.[/QUOTE]I would never let a girl who I have only met one time book a hotel and I would certainly never let her pick me up with a male relative (boyfriend, pimp, husband?) or even a female relative. No way.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2344977]I would never let a girl who I have only met one time book a hotel and I would certainly never let her pick me up with a male relative (boyfriend, pimp, husband?) or even a female relative. No way.[/QUOTE]Yes, even I am feeling the same way too, girls should not bring any companion with them or take control of things who met us only one time.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2344977]I would never let a girl who I have only met one time book a hotel and I would certainly never let her pick me up with a male relative (boyfriend, pimp, husband?) or even a female relative. No way.[/QUOTE]I completely agree. I don't even let girls I've known for a few years book my hotel. As for a male relative, my guess would be boyfriend / husband. The only way I would let someone pick me up from the airport or hotel would be if it was work related, a hotel car or a friend I'd know for years.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2345004]I completely agree. I don't even let girls I've known for a few years book my hotel. As for a male relative, my guess would be boyfriend / husband. The only way I would let someone pick me up from the airport or hotel would be if it was work related, a hotel car or a friend I'd know for years.[/QUOTE]Yeah Thanks for the suggest, may be I have to rethink now.

[QUOTE=Buksida1;2344749]............. I just pay attention to one girl at a time to discourage any jealousy as girls will put an ownership sign on you. They want our money so never lose sight of the fact that it is a financial transaction............[/QUOTE]Every sexual relationship between a man and a woman, whether she is a prostitute, semi-pro or non-pro, has a financial element to it.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2344977]I would never let a girl who I have only met one time book a hotel and I would certainly never let her pick me up with a male relative (boyfriend, pimp, husband?) or even a female relative. No way.[/QUOTE]It's like she advised, we can go to hua hin, since I asked for beach hotel suggestion, so the public transport not a good choice, so this suggestion, also the relative is her brother it seems, he is for drop and pick.

[QUOTE=Pacito;2343749]Can you please suggest where to buy Viagra or Cialis without prescription in Bangkok?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Street vendors, generally after 10. May be counterfeit, but functional in my experience.

Local (not chain) pharmacies. Ask. May also be counterfeit. Who knows?

If you want to be sure, visit a clinic, get prescription, shop Boots or Watsons.

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2344590]

Very first thing I am alone, is it safe to travel alone with out doing any crazy stuff except girl to my room. And which is best Pattaya or Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Very safe in the tourist areas. Bangkok is a big city with several mongering neighborhoods. Pattaya is pretty much just beach and bars. Atmosphere is completely different. Up to you.

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2344590]
I don't drink I am non alcoholic, so if want to pick any bar girls how to spend some in bar to pic a girl as I don't drink.[/QUOTE]Not a problem. All the bars sell soft drinks and coffee. Up to you.

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2344590]
Girls for night means how many shots, is there any specific number.[/QUOTE]Up to you and her.

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2344590]
Planning to experience Nuru massage, how it was any good places for this.[/QUOTE]Try Chrome Bar on Soi 7/1.

[QUOTE=SmartGuyHyd;2344590]
Please some one help me with the info on dos and don'ts.[/QUOTE]Do agree on pricing and services before going to a hotel.

Do keep your extra cash and valuables locked up. If it's in your pocket it's likely to disappear one way or the other.

Don't assume she's a girl. If in doubt (or she is tall or has broad shoulders or is really, really well made-up) ask politely. It will not be a problem.

Don't overspend on your hotel. Prices for good rooms are way lower than you might think. Expensive hotels exist to fleece suckers.

Do eat street food from a popular stand.

Don't catch anything. Do use protection. Don't overpay and screw up the market.

Don't go into the Patpong clip joints.

Don't fall in luv.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2345210]
2) inappropriate to this forum.[/QUOTE]Well, I do agree with that.

To stay on topic, here's a girl I had sex with recently in Thailand with my tax refund.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2345211]Well, I do agree with that.

To stay on topic, here's a girl I had sex with recently in Thailand with my tax refund.[/QUOTE]What a figure. Good catch big brother. These kind of pics dragging me to Thailand. Hope will get help from you.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;2345143]Very safe in the tourist areas. Bangkok is a big city with several mongering neighborhoods. Pattaya is pretty much just beach and bars. Atmosphere is completely different. Up to you.

Not a problem. All the bars sell soft drinks and coffee. Up to you.

Up to you and her.

Try Chrome Bar on Soi 7/1.

Do agree on pricing and services before going to a hotel.

Do keep your extra cash and valuables locked up. If it's in your pocket it's likely to disappear one way or the other.

Don't assume she's a girl. If in doubt (or she is tall or has broad shoulders or is really, really well made-up) ask politely. It will not be a problem..[/QUOTE]This will help me also. Will need help someone like you big brother.

I don't know who is buying all these new Condominiums in BKK and Pattaya. The developers must be making a fortune. But it looks like a real estate bubble in the making to me. Too much supply at too high a cost. Of course no one knows when the market will top out. I sure don't want to be left holding the bag (any Thai real estate) when the market collapses. But in the meantime, it looks like there are lot of excellent rental opportunities in these new buildings with all the amenities and in great neighborhoods. Time to rent if you ask me.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2345473]Here's a pic of a chick I met in front of Nana hotel recently.[/QUOTE]I recognize the tattoo. I've seen that gal out there. How's the performance?

Fucked another thermae's gal looking like an anime doll for 3 k and a Russian chick for 3.5 this week. Going to try ThaiFriendly for a short while after a break.

Putin Eats Jizz.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2345535]I recognize the tattoo. I've seen that gal out there. How's the performance?[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what pic I posted and it looks like that post was deleted for some reason so I can't see the pic to comment.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2345745]I'm not sure what pic I posted and it looks like that post was deleted for some reason so I can't see the pic to comment.[/QUOTE]It seems to have been moved to the "Thailand Lounge and Chat" forum, with a lot of other posts.

[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2345758]It seems to have been moved to the "Thailand Lounge and Chat" forum, with a lot of other posts.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I see it now.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2345535]I recognize the tattoo. I've seen that gal out there. How's the performance?[/QUOTE]She had a very pretty face and nice hair, very light skin, and her English was surprisingly good. Unfortunately, she had close to no tits and she was short. She seemed to be a regular there, but I only saw her that one night. I had been eating at Hooters and saw her walk up. She definitely stood out over the other girls in the looks department. Some guy walked up to her immediately and asked her how much. They were right next to where I was sitting, so I could hear their negotiations. She said 1500 short time. He came back with 1000 and she said it had to be 1500. He then said 1200, and she said it had to be 1500. He said "ok if I can get 2 shots". But she said if he wanted 2 shots it would be 3000. He walked away. I had finished eating at Hooters, so I went over to her and told her 1500 for one shot is fine (I can't do more than one shot anyway).

When she first got in the room, she wanted money up front. That's almost always an indication that the girl's performance will be terrible and that the session will end in disaster. I refused to give her money up front and told her she can leave if she likes, but I showed her the money and told her she would get it after we were done as long as she provided good sex. She said that's fine.

We showered together, then got in bed. Unfortunately, she put her hair up in a bun after the shower, she looked way better with her hair down. She claimed that was to make it easier to give me a good bj, but I found out soon that wasn't really so great. She started licking my body and kissing my neck (I almost never kiss any of the working girls on the mouth, so I have no idea if she would french kiss). She sucked my balls and licked the sides of my cock, but wanted a condom for the BJ. I told her she could forget that (I was in Bangkok 2 weeks and she was the only girl who even suggested a condom for the bj). There was no way she was going to get a condom on my flaccid penis. I had her lick and suck my balls and down to my ass for a while, both with me laying down and with me standing. When she realized I wasn't going to get hard without the BJ, she finally agreed to a BJ without a condom and got me hard. She absolutely demanded a condom for sex. We had sex in multiple positions and went for a good while. She was quite willing to get into any position I wanted to put her in, as long as the condom was on.

I wouldn't recommend her as any great performer, but I can't say she wasn't worth the 1500 baht. I'd repeat with her in a pinch. The fact that I didn't repeat with her though even though I had her number pretty much tells the story.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2345779]She had a very pretty face and nice hair, very light skin, and her English was surprisingly good. Unfortunately, she had close to no tits and she was short. She seemed to be a regular there, but I only saw her that one night. I had been eating at Hooters and saw her walk up. She definitely stood out over the other girls in the looks department. Some guy walked up to her immediately and asked her how much. They were right next to where I was sitting, so I could hear their negotiations. She said 1500 short time. He came back with 1000 and she said it had to be 1500. He then said 1200, and she said it had to be 1500. He said "ok if I can get 2 shots". But she said if he wanted 2 shots it would be 3000. He walked away. I had finished eating at Hooters, so I went over to her and told her 1500 for one shot is fine (I can't do more than one shot anyway).

When she first got in the room, she wanted money up front. That's almost always an indication that the girl's performance will be terrible and that the session will end in disaster. I refused to give her money up front and told her she can leave if she likes, but I showed her the money and told her she would get it after we were done as long as she provided good sex. She said that's fine.

We showered together, then got in bed. Unfortunately, she put her hair up in a bun after the shower, she looked way better with her hair down. She claimed that was to make it easier to give me a good bj, but I found out soon that wasn't really so great. She started licking my body and kissing my neck (I almost never kiss any of the working girls on the mouth, so I have no idea if she would french kiss). She sucked my balls and licked the sides of my cock, but wanted a condom for the BJ. I told her she could forget that (I was in Bangkok 2 weeks and she was the only girl who even suggested a condom for the bj). There was no way she was going to get a condom on my flaccid penis. I had her lick and suck my balls and down to my ass for a while, both with me laying down and with me standing. When she realized I wasn't going to get hard without the BJ, she finally agreed to a BJ without a condom and got me hard. She absolutely demanded a condom for sex. We had sex in multiple positions and went for a good while. She was quite willing to get into any position I wanted to put her in, as long as the condom was on.

I wouldn't recommend her as any great performer, but I can't say she wasn't worth the 1500 baht. I'd repeat with her in a pinch. The fact that I didn't repeat with her though even though I had her number pretty much tells the story.[/QUOTE]Thanks a million for the detailed report. I've seen that gal on several occasion and thought she was quite the looker. Love the tat on the white skin and she is got a body size I really like. However, she had some pretty bad energy coming off of her. Not smiling or welcoming at all. After reading your report, I'm glad I never pulled the trigger. I would not be happy with that kind of performance. Would have ended up calling it off in the first few minutes and giving here a few hundred Baht. I'm ok with condom for intercourse, in fact it an almost always for me, but no way I am trying to talk a gal into giving a BBBJ. I stopped taking street gals for the most part because the performance was so poor. I tell them I expect them to do me like they do a BF they like of like in a "sex movie. " Some will agree, then get to the room and it is starfish city. I just won't accept that under any circumstance. The minute that door closes at the ST hotel I want tongues in mouths like a couple of horny uni students. Ones that are game to that right off the bat are usually fun. Ones that are "no, shower, shower" are usually not so amazing. I'll end that by saying I am always freshly showered, teeth brushed, breath mints, and ready to go when I would take a gal. I remember back in the Thermae days most gals would go along with the flow. Now so many are uncomfortable if you take them out of the expected routine. It's exactly what Syz says, they are used to and more comfortable with Asian guys who are going to let the gals do the servicing as opposed to us western men who want to write our own script each and every time.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2345799]Ones that are "no, shower, shower" are usually not so amazing. I'll end that by saying I am always freshly showered, teeth brushed, breath mints, and ready to go when I would take a gal.[/QUOTE]To be fair, I had to make her shower. She claimed she had just showered and wasn't keen on taking a shower before sex. I told her I had also just showered right before going to Hooters, but that our walk from Nana to my hotel was enough to get us both sweaty enough to justify a shower. So we both showered together. When I lived in the USA, I never showered prior to sex (scared it would ruin the mood for the girl and I wouldn't get laid). In Asia, I demand that the girl showers with me prior to sex. I like being freshly showered for sex. As much as I like the girls to rim me, I feel it's a must on my side. And you never know if the girl just had a sex session with her Thai boyfriend before going to work. But I always say that any girl who has freshly showered is a virgin again in my eyes.

I agree though that you probably wouldn't have liked her. She is not passionate in her work. I got the impression she had a Thai boyfriend.

[QUOTE=PutinEatsJizz;2345563]Fucked another thermae's gal looking like an anime doll for 3 k and a Russian chick for 3.5 this week. Going to try ThaiFriendly for a short while after a break.

Putin Eats Jizz.[/QUOTE]Where did ya get the Rooskiye?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2345803]To be fair, I had to make her shower. She claimed she had just showered and wasn't keen on taking a shower before sex. I told her I had also just showered right before going to Hooters, but that our walk from Nana to my hotel was enough to get us both sweaty enough to justify a shower. So we both showered together. When I lived in the USA, I never showered prior to sex (scared it would ruin the mood for the girl and I wouldn't get laid). In Asia, I demand that the girl showers with me prior to sex. I like being freshly showered for sex. As much as I like the girls to rim me, I feel it's a must on my side. And you never know if the girl just had a sex session with her Thai boyfriend before going to work. But I always say that any girl who has freshly showered is a virgin again in my eyes.

I agree though that you probably wouldn't have liked her. She is not passionate in her work. I got the impression she had a Thai boyfriend.[/QUOTE]Umm, well then you should ask her if she has a Thai boyfriend during the act next time you are with her. Ask her if he is as big as you, if she tells him stories of how her farang customers do her, if her boyfriend does the same things to her you are doing to here. That might get her going. And then you will see if there is any "dirty" in the girl.

Absolutely! Most of these buildings are not even half sold especially when you get away from the center.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2345484]I don't know who is buying all these new Condominiums in BKK and Pattaya. The developers must be making a fortune. But it looks like a real estate bubble in the making to me. Too much supply at too high a cost. Of course no one knows when the market will top out. I sure don't want to be left holding the bag (any Thai real estate) when the market collapses. But in the meantime, it looks like there are lot of excellent rental opportunities in these new buildings with all the amenities and in great neighborhoods. Time to rent if you ask me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2345779]She had a very pretty face and nice hair, very light skin, and her English was surprisingly good.
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She absolutely demanded a condom for sex. We had sex in multiple positions and went for a good while. She was quite willing to get into any position I wanted to put her in, as long as the condom was on.

I wouldn't recommend her as any great performer, but I can't say she wasn't worth the 1500 baht. I'd repeat with her in a pinch. The fact that I didn't repeat with her though even though I had her number pretty much tells the story.[/QUOTE]Yes, smoothy, thanks for that report. I think she is the one I stopped and chatted with a few weeks ago as well. She also cited "1500 for sex." I said, "For good sex or for bad sex?" She looked puzzled. I asked if we would have to use a condom. She replied, "Yes!" and seemed rather shocked by the question. So I said, "Ohhh, that would be very bad sex for me. Bye."

At the time there was a part of me that thought my brutally direct way of stating it and rejecting the deal denied me a chance to "go with the flow in the room" where maybe a miracle would happen. Now I see in your report that the likelihood of such a miracle happening in the room with that one is slim to none and, yep, that was Slim who just left the building. LOL. There would have been nothing in the session for me, just a waste of time and effort.

Still, did you get any indication at all from her to the bitter end that she might loosen her grip on the condom issue IF you did repeat her?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2345958]Yes, smoothy, thanks for that report. I think she is the one I stopped and chatted with a few weeks ago as well. She also cited "1500 for sex." I said, "For good sex or for bad sex?" She looked puzzled. I asked if we would have to use a condom. She replied, "Yes!" and seemed rather shocked by the question. So I said, "Ohhh, that would be very bad sex for me. Bye."

At the time there was a part of me that thought my brutally direct way of stating it and rejecting the deal denied me a chance to "go with the flow in the room" where maybe a miracle would happen. Now I see in your report that the likelihood of such a miracle happening in the room with that one is slim to none and, yep, that was Slim who just left the building. LOL. There would have been nothing in the session for me, just a waste of time and effort.

Still, did you get any indication at all from her to the bitter end that she might loosen her grip on the condom issue IF you did repeat her?[/QUOTE]Unless you are her Thai boyfriend, I would not count on going sans condom with that chick.

Landed in morning and had a very relaxing massage after 14 hours of flight. Staying close to ashok so everything is in walking distance. Heard a lot about Eden but never tried it. So went around 7 pm. There are lot of massage parlours, BJ shops in the lane. Went to Eden and system is simple. All girls line up once on the left side of the yellow line do anal and right won't. I select a girl named meow and she selected her friend meena.

Meow was about 8 on 10 and mena around 5 to 10. The rooms re on 2 floor. Threesome was mechanical and had to give lot off instructions. Not really what I dreamed off. But I can check this off the list.

Was free within 1 hour. My other fantasy in this trip is to tick off BDSM. So tried contacting couple of dominatrix wael, jaa but they given me appointment later in the week. While browsing came across two BDSM clubs Barbar fetish and demino. Bar bar is in patpong and demino is close to phrong pong. Went to demino as it's closer to ashok. The club is very well played out amd nice atmosphere. Enough space about 7 dominatrix and 12 slaves were present as mentioned by the bar girl. Sat at the end of the bar. A salve girl was tied up near it and dom was spanking her. Had a bit of conversation and then I started hearing sounds coming from adjoining room having only curtain. There was a group session 2 men and 4 girls (1 dom and 3 slaves in session). Was able to hear and see everything. The guys were having time of their life. After sometime selected a dom and slave. Did some basic stuff. Then asked them to show me around. On the top floor rooms for private session were available, all of them were empty and on side of the bar 1 guy was having BJ completely naked in full view of anyone passing by. Near the cage room asian guy was being spanked by dom. I went in middle of the bar which was a little dark. Asked slave slave to give me BJ while dom gave her all the instructions. Then made her eat out dom and while I pumped slave and doggy. All this in open area. Was quite a turn on. Tomorrow will try out bar bar fetish. Total damage for demino was around 8 k but I don't care as I had a good time.

[QUOTE=JustTimePass;2346077]
Meow was about 8 on 10 and mena around 5 to 10. The rooms re on 2 floor. Threesome was mechanical and had to give lot off instructions. Not really what I dreamed off. But I can check this off the list.
[/QUOTE]That was my problem when tried Eden. Scripted role play with bad acting. You are better off finding bargirls that happen to be into licking pussy too, e. G. From bar with lesbian shows, or from an MP, and will go have fun with no script. There are some bi-sexual women around too. You are better off if you know the girls fairly well first. So I always got my 3-somes from bars with girls who are used to working a threesome.

Dtom in 5 Star (ex Suzie Wong) (older girl) rates herself as an expert in 3-somes. Very small tits and her pussy is a bit small for me, but good in the room and good in natural 3-some stuff.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2345931]Umm, well then you should ask her if she has a Thai boyfriend during the act next time you are with her. Ask her if he is as big as you, if she tells him stories of how her farang customers do her, if her boyfriend does the same things to her you are doing to here. That might get her going. And then you will see if there is any "dirty" in the girl.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. I fear you are not making a joke here. I don't think the average shy girl wants to talk about such things. Silently doing naughty things could be the limit.

No point to ask questions, when she may need to tell a bullshit answer. Better not to ask difficult questions, e. G. About the Thai Boyfriend.

Once took a very hot body girl with amazing naturals from Crazy House, Nat (Nut), age about 18, who was rumoured to have a Tom girlfriend partner. 10 points for body and 8+ for the face. Yet she seemed really into the DATY and the fucking. I had a good time. I was not going to risk asking her about are girls or guys better in bed, does she really need a big cock or not, etc. I thought better to mind my own business and concentrate on the sex. Unfortunately she soon quit working there. Rumoured to work in some Thai oriented Coyote club in northern Bangkok. Maybe her Tom GF, did not like guys fucking her.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2346194]Ha ha. I fear you are not making a joke here. I don't think the average shy girl wants to talk about such things. Silently doing naughty things could be the limit.

No point to ask questions, when she may need to tell a bullshit answer. Better not to ask difficult questions, e. G. About the Thai Boyfriend.

Once took a very hot body girl with amazing naturals from Crazy House, Nat (Nut), age about 18, who was rumoured to have a Tom girlfriend partner. 10 points for body and 8+ for the face. Yet she seemed really into the DATY and the fucking. I had a good time. I was not going to risk asking her about are girls or guys better in bed, does she really need a big cock or not, etc. I thought better to mind my own business and concentrate on the sex. Unfortunately she soon quit working there. Rumoured to work in some Thai oriented Coyote club in northern Bangkok. Maybe her Tom GF, did not like guys fucking her.[/QUOTE]Too bad you didn't ask Nut those questions. You may have been able to shame her into staying at Crazy House. I was wondering why she left. Now I know.

[QUOTE=AdamBastard;2302624]I'm wrapping up a 3-day tour in Bangkok and wanted to share this epic adventure:

Smooci. Angelica. 19yo, 160 cm, 40 kg, good english. Perfect Asian GFE. Amazing tiny and firm body with small tits and tight little bald pussy. Decent BBBJ, great FS, excellent GFE. She's on an 8 month visa, so she might not be available here for long.[/QUOTE]For anyone interested, looks like Angelica is Singapore based now. She's on Smooci there. Tried her a few months ago in BKK, probably one of my top 5 all-time favorites anywhere.

Since I don't live in Thailand (anymore), I haven't been keeping up with this forum too much. However, I can't recall seeing many (any?) reviews of this place. Website is easily searchable and very informative. If I still lived in Bkk, I might keep all this info to myself, but I'm hoping you lads keep the place in business for my yearly visits. Since I'm staying in the area, I've been three times in the past week or so.

Setup: Walk 100 m or so up Suk soi 33 and turn right into the first side-soi. Once turned, you can't miss the sign for 7 Heaven on the left. Walk in to find a nerdy girl behind the desk with an iPad with photos of the girls that are currently available (I think you can pre-book through the website, but I haven't bothered). 1300 for one girl, 2500 for two, and some various extras for 'easing your load' onto various body parts. So, it's obviously more expensive than every other BKK BJ bar I've heard of. Here's the first benefit -- the girls are actually smoking hot. Here's the real kicker -- if you shoot within ten minutes, you get a second shot within a 40-minute (total) window (second shot can be BJ or HJ -- up to the girl).

1st session -- Mai: I was intrigued by this ten-minute 'target' so primed myself with a bit of visual stimulation before walking to the shop. 5 girls available on the iPad. 3 extremely hot -- like, 3 x as hot as any L or Kasalong girl has ever been. Turned out to have that Japanese doll-look that I feel slightly guilty about liking so much. Big, obviously fake, knockers. Cute face. About 5'5, probably 48 kg. Perfection, in my opinion.

We go upstairs, rooms have actual beds! Do the washing up and get down to business. She's so fucking good that I'm done in about 7 minutes. "Ow eek krang, mai? (Want one more time? Didn't take long for me to say yes. Out comes the oil for the handjob. It was passable, but I was pretty damn spent. As we were approaching 40 minutes, she's looking at her watch. Not really in a bored way, but more just warning me that we've got to get a move on.

So I do something drastic.

I sit up in and grab her hips while she's rubbing away and I sort of thrust forward as if I'm in that face-to-face position in a Japanese porn where they grab the waist and pummel away. This puts me and my little fella face to face (and was quite the abdominal workout). As the clock expires, I empty myself.

Directly into my own left eyeball.

I think this might be karma for when I accidentally poked my thumb into a Kasalong girl's left eye at the moment of truth way back when. Mai and I had a good laugh about it as she cleaned me up.

In short, I decided then and there that this is the only BJ store I'm going to henceforth, but I'll remember my posture and when to avert my eyes.

Tipped her 200 baht for a job well done.

2nd session. Mali (no, that's not a typo -- there's a Mai and a Mali): Again, Japanese look and big-ish (but natural) knockers. Not a stunner, but I managed to hit the ten-minute target again due to some strategic prep-work. Again, I'm offered a second pop if so desired. And again, I'm feeling spent, but thought I'd give it a go. She gave it the old college try with a HJ and eventual BJ, but I told her at about 30 minutes that it just wasn't going to happen.

Tipped her 200 baht for her efforts.

3rd session. Poppy: Hottest gal I've ever seen in an establishment of this nature -- and the least enthusiastic. I understand that her job sucks (ha! But whatever happened to pride in a "job" well done? I speak pretty high-level Thai, so I was asking her before we began why she seemed so down and depressed. She brushed off all questions with vague answers and started with a very mechanical and (dare I say boring?) BJ. Was consistently brushing my hand away as I was touching her arm or guiding her pumping hand. Regardless, I made it under the 10-minute limit -- a near miracle, given how un-erotic the situation was. I basked in afterglow and then suddenly realized that she was getting dressed and was prepped to clean me up. I could have raised a bit of a stink about getting a second shot, but was fairly certain that whatever limp-wristed handjob she might be able to proffer would just be a waste of time for both of us.

Didn't tip -- which is very rare for me. Feel sort of bad about it; she might have really been having a bad day and just couldn't muster the acting ability to be enthusiastic. However, it was pretty mechanical and disappointing (especially since she is admittedly super hot).

Would I return? Hell yes -- probably immediately.

[QUOTE=JustTimePass;2346077]Landed in morning and had a very relaxing massage after 14 hours of flight. Staying close to ashok so everything is in walking distance. Heard a lot about Eden but never tried it. So went around 7 pm. There are lot of massage parlours, BJ shops in the lane. Went to Eden and system is simple. All girls line up once on the left side of the yellow line do anal and right won't. I select a girl named meow and she selected her friend meena.

Meow was about 8 on 10 and mena around 5 to 10. The rooms re on 2 floor. Threesome was mechanical and had to give lot off instructions. Not really what I dreamed off. But I can check this off the list.

Was free within 1 hour. My other fantasy in this trip is to tick off BDSM. So tried contacting couple of dominatrix wael, jaa but they given me appointment later in the week. While browsing came across two BDSM clubs Barbar fetish and demino. Bar bar is in patpong and demino is close to phrong pong. Went to demino as it's closer to ashok. The club is very well played out amd nice atmosphere. Enough space about 7 dominatrix and 12 slaves were present as mentioned by the bar girl..[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=Biffduff;2346264]Since I don't live in Thailand (anymore), I haven't been keeping up with this forum too much. However, I can't recall seeing many (any?) reviews of this place. Website is easily searchable and very informative. If I still lived in Bkk, I might keep all this info to myself, but I'm hoping you lads keep the place in business for my yearly visits. Since I'm staying in the area, I've been three times in the past week or so.

Setup: Walk 100 m or so up Suk soi 33 and turn right into the first side-soi. Once turned, you can't miss the sign for 7 Heaven on the left. Walk in to find a nerdy girl behind the desk with an iPad with photos of the girls that are currently available (I think you can pre-book through the website, but I haven't bothered). 1300 for one girl, 2500 for two, and some various extras for 'easing your load' onto various body parts. So, it's obviously more expensive than every other BKK BJ bar I've heard of. Here's the first benefit -- the girls are actually smoking hot. Here's the real kicker -- if you shoot within ten minutes, you get a second shot within a 40-minute (total) window (second shot can be BJ or HJ -- up to the girl).[/QUOTE]Thanks for the recommendation, hope to check it out next week. Price is the same as BIT style on Suk. 22, but selection, if website is more or less true, is much better and prettier at the place you recommend. Wood bar is cheaper, but quality wise it's a (small) step down from BIT style, which isn't exactly high quality except one or two new gems that appear for a short while. I do like that Wood bar has a dedicated sink in the "room" so you can get properly cleaned up both before and after, that's really miles better than whatever options one has at other similar places.

[QUOTE=Biffduff;2346264]
We go upstairs, rooms I sit up in and grab her hips while she's rubbing away and I sort of thrust forward as if I'm in that face-to-face position in a Japanese porn where they grab the waist and pummel away. As the clock expires, I empty myself.

Directly into my own left eyeball.
[/QUOTE]Great report. I'll have to try 7th Heaven myself. I very much appreciate a good BJ or even an HJ. But it's been decades, if ever, since I can shoot far enough to reach my eye.

[QUOTE=Biffduff;2346264]7 Heaven BJ Bar (Suk soi 33) Since I don't live in Thailand (anymore), I haven't been keeping up with this forum too much. However, I can't recall seeing many (any?) reviews of this place. Website is easily searchable and very informative. If I still lived in Bkk, I might keep all this info to myself, but I'm hoping you lads keep the place in business for my yearly visits. [/QUOTE]I love the massage places on Soi 33. Akane Massage also rocks and so does Teen massage. Of course, it depends on the girls at any given time. I mainly go to Akane since they specialize in rimming.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2346194]Ha ha. I fear you are not making a joke here. I don't think the average shy girl wants to talk about such things. Silently doing naughty things could be the limit.

No point to ask questions, when she may need to tell a bullshit answer. Better not to ask difficult questions, e. G. About the Thai Boyfriend.

Once took a very hot body girl with amazing naturals from Crazy House, Nat (Nut), age about 18, who was rumoured to have a Tom girlfriend partner. 10 points for body and 8+ for the face. Yet she seemed really into the DATY and the fucking. I had a good time. I was not going to risk asking her about are girls or guys better in bed, does she really need a big cock or not, etc. I thought better to mind my own business and concentrate on the sex. Unfortunately she soon quit working there. Rumoured to work in some Thai oriented Coyote club in northern Bangkok. Maybe her Tom GF, did not like guys fucking her.[/QUOTE]You are correct, I'm not making a joke. I have no time or patience with "shy gals" and really they should not be in the P4 P industry hoping to get western dudes for customers.

[QUOTE=Biffduff;2346264]Since I don't live in Thailand (anymore), I haven't been keeping up with this forum too much. However, I can't recall seeing many (any?) reviews of this place. Website is easily searchable and very informative. If I still lived in Bkk, I might keep all this info to myself, but I'm hoping you lads keep the place in business for my yearly visits. Since I'm staying in the area, I've been three times in the past week or so.

Setup: Walk 100 m or so up Suk soi 33 and turn right into the first side-soi. Once turned, you can't miss the sign for 7 Heaven on the left. Walk in to find a nerdy girl behind the desk with an iPad with photos of the girls that are currently available (I think you can pre-book through the website, but I haven't bothered). 1300 for one girl, 2500 for two, and some various extras for 'easing your load' onto various body parts. So, it's obviously more expensive than every other BKK BJ bar I've heard of. Here's the first benefit -- the girls are actually smoking hot. Here's the real kicker -- if you shoot within ten minutes, you get a second shot within a 40-minute (total) window (second shot can be BJ or HJ -- up to the girl).

1st session -- Mai: I was intrigued by this ten-minute 'target' so primed myself with a bit of visual stimulation before walking to the shop. 5 girls available on the iPad. 3 extremely hot -- like, 3 x as hot as any L or Kasalong girl has ever been. Turned out to have that Japanese doll-look that I feel slightly guilty about liking so much. Big, obviously fake, knockers. Cute face. About 5'5, probably 48 kg. Perfection, in my opinion.

We go upstairs, rooms have actual beds! Do the washing up and get down to business. She's so fucking good that I'm done in about 7 minutes. "Ow eek krang, mai? (Want one more time? Didn't take long for me to say yes. Out comes the oil for the handjob. It was passable, but I was pretty damn spent. As we were approaching 40 minutes, she's looking at her watch. Not really in a bored way, but more just warning me that we've got to get a move on.

So I do something drastic.

I sit up in and grab her hips while she's rubbing away and I sort of thrust forward as if I'm in that face-to-face position in a Japanese porn where they grab the waist and pummel away. This puts me and my little fella face to face (and was quite the abdominal workout). As the clock expires, I empty myself.

Directly into my own left eyeball.

I think this might be karma for when I accidentally poked my thumb into a Kasalong girl's left eye at the moment of truth way back when. Mai and I had a good laugh about it as she cleaned me up.

In short, I decided then and there that this is the only BJ store I'm going to henceforth, but I'll remember my posture and when to avert my eyes.

Tipped her 200 baht for a job well done.

2nd session. Mali (no, that's not a typo -- there's a Mai and a Mali): Again, Japanese look and big-ish (but natural) knockers. Not a stunner, but I managed to hit the ten-minute target again due to some strategic prep-work. Again, I'm offered a second pop if so desired. And again, I'm feeling spent, but thought I'd give it a go. She gave it the old college try with a HJ and eventual BJ, but I told her at about 30 minutes that it just wasn't going to happen.

Tipped her 200 baht for her efforts.

3rd session. Poppy: Hottest gal I've ever seen in an establishment of this nature -- and the least enthusiastic. I understand that her job sucks (ha! But whatever happened to pride in a "job" well done? I speak pretty high-level Thai, so I was asking her before we began why she seemed so down and depressed. She brushed off all questions with vague answers and started with a very mechanical and (dare I say boring?) BJ. Was consistently brushing my hand away as I was touching her arm or guiding her pumping hand. Regardless, I made it under the 10-minute limit -- a near miracle, given how un-erotic the situation was. I basked in afterglow and then suddenly realized that she was getting dressed and was prepped to clean me up. I could have raised a bit of a stink about getting a second shot, but was fairly certain that whatever limp-wristed handjob she might be able to proffer would just be a waste of time for both of us.

Didn't tip -- which is very rare for me. Feel sort of bad about it; she might have really been having a bad day and just couldn't muster the acting ability to be enthusiastic. However, it was pretty mechanical and disappointing (especially since she is admittedly super hot).

Would I return? Hell yes -- probably immediately.[/QUOTE]A most excellent and entertaining report. Thanks much!

Dear friends.

Visiting Bangkok during second week of August and staying near Nana Plaza for 6 days. In Bangkok, where I can find hot Russian girls for LT or for full night? What will be the usual rate / price for LT? Any night clubs with Russian girls in Bangkok? Can I get guidance in this regard.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Biffduff;2346264]Since I don't live in Thailand (anymore), I haven't been keeping up with this forum too much. However, I can't recall seeing many (any?) reviews of this place. Website is easily searchable and very informative. If I still lived in Bkk, I might keep all this info to myself, but I'm hoping you lads keep the place in business for my yearly visits. Since I'm staying in the area, I've been three times in the past week or so.

Setup: Walk 100 m or so up Suk soi 33 and turn right into the first side-soi. Once turned, you can't miss the sign for 7 Heaven on the left. Walk in to find a nerdy girl behind the desk with an iPad with photos of the girls that are currently available (I think you can pre-book through the website, but I haven't bothered). 1300 for one girl, 2500 for two, and some various extras for 'easing your load' onto various body parts. So, it's obviously more expensive than every other BKK BJ bar I've heard of. Here's the first benefit -- the girls are actually smoking hot. Here's the real kicker -- if you shoot within ten minutes, you get a second shot within a 40-minute (total) window (second shot can be BJ or HJ -- up to the girl).

1st session -- Mai: I was intrigued by this ten-minute 'target' so primed myself with a bit of visual stimulation before walking to the shop. 5 girls available on the iPad. 3 extremely hot -- like, 3 x as hot as any L or Kasalong girl has ever been. Turned out to have that Japanese doll-look that I feel slightly guilty about liking so much. Big, obviously fake, knockers. Cute face. About 5'5, probably 48 kg. Perfection, in my opinion..[/QUOTE]Great report. Good to get a heads up on this place. Like the straightforward website. All girls very cute indeed. Like Mai, but Mali isn't listed. Maybe too new for site update. Bam looks right up my street.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2346446]A most excellent and entertaining report. Thanks much![/QUOTE]Cheers, pal! Getting kudos from a legend like yourself is high praise indeed! I've posted some other 'entertaining' reports in the past (even 'with distinction!) But this is the first time in a while. I'm still in BKK for a few weeks, so will try to keep reporting.

I've said it before, but sometimes this board is more like 'bored' -- lots of arguing about currency exchanges and tailors and hotels. I hope we can all try to get along and get back to giving each other info on how to. Uhh, 'support' these service providers.

Dear friends.

The recent Russia post gave me an idea. Russian girls are easy to find, but some others are not so easy.

In Bangkok, where I can find hot Aboriginal girls for LT or for full night? What will be the usual rate / price for LT? Any night clubs with Aboriginal girls in Bangkok?

I have no interest in any type of girl other than Aboriginal (not even African). An Albino Aboriginese is ok, but I prefer them to be dark skinned. A threesome with one albino and one normal Aboriginal would be a dream come true. If they are a midget, that's ok too, but not under 4 foot 7. As long as they are hot (at least a 8 out of 10) and have nice noses. Can I get guidance in this regard?

Some of you Aussie guys must know the answer. I hear Aboriginal girls are a hot commodity for Aussies. If you don't want to share the info publicly because you want to flood the market with mongers, please send me a PM, I promise to keep the info to myself.

Thanks in advance gents.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2346662]Dear friends.
In Bangkok, where I can find hot Aboriginal girls for LT or for full night? What will be the usual rate / price for LT? Any night clubs with Aboriginal girls in Bangkok?

I have no interest in any type of girl other than Aboriginal (not even African). An Albino Aboriginese is ok, but I prefer them to be dark skinned. A threesome with one albino and one normal Aboriginal would be a dream come true. If they are a midget, that's ok too, but not under 4 foot 7. As long as they are hot (at least a 8 out of 10) and have nice noses. Can I get guidance in this regard?
[/QUOTE]Well we all have our bucket lists. I am looking for identical twins. They have to be good looking, but other than that I don't care what their ethnic origin is as long as its Asian. I don't want Caucasian or African twins! 2nd on my bucket list is a mother and daughter combo, but again the pair have to be smokin' hot and Asian. Please PM if you have any numbers.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2346683]Well we all have our bucket lists. I am looking for identical twins. They have to be good looking, but other than that I don't care what their ethnic origin is as long as its Asian. I don't want Caucasian or African twins! 2nd on my bucket list is a mother and daughter combo, but again the pair have to be smokin' hot and Asian. Please PM if you have any numbers.[/QUOTE]Mine is identical Asian twins with curly blonde hair dyed is OK 6 feet tall with their under 40 year mother who looks 30 showing them how to take care of me.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2346662]Dear friends.

The recent Russia post gave me an idea. Russian girls are easy to find, but some others are not so easy.

In Bangkok, where I can find hot Aboriginal girls for LT or for full night? What will be the usual rate / price for LT? Any night clubs with Aboriginal girls in Bangkok?

I have no interest in any type of girl other than Aboriginal (not even African). An Albino Aboriginese is ok, but I prefer them to be dark skinned. A threesome with one albino and one normal Aboriginal would be a dream come true. If they are a midget, that's ok too, but not under 4 foot 7. As long as they are hot (at least a 8 out of 10) and have nice noses. Can I get guidance in this regard?

Some of you Aussie guys must know the answer. I hear Aboriginal girls are a hot commodity for Aussies. If you don't want to share the info publicly because you want to flood the market with mongers, please send me a PM, I promise to keep the info to myself.

Thanks in advance gents.[/QUOTE]Hell, I'd settle for a natural born Thai femalle under 30, generally regarded as a bargirl 7.5 or better, with a shaved or well groomed pussy, who will bareback me without a hassle or prolonged discussion about condoms for within 1,000 baht of the going rate for her particular P4P venue or option. Yet I have not in several years of living here encountered one genuine professional mamasan, papasan or pimp who can or will reliably point one out to me even if a nice tip is on the line.

And to think you weirdos are hoping to be directed to your dream freaks for free on this site. Damn. The sad part is I believe in today's Thailand you guys might have an easier time hooking up with your exotic wish list through conventional third party guidance than I do with my rather tame and mundane one!

Went to Soi Cowboy yesterday. Surprised to see few bars closed, additional ladyboy bar opened up. Nearly hoped into each bar but was not able to focus on what I needed. Two very interesting bars have come up first on the left (if you come from Ashok station). Nude shows couple of girl were hot but none were ready to come to hotel. All were insisting taking short time, in the hotel near Soi Cowboy. I am living just 2-3 minutes walk from Soi Cowboy. Also I was not interested in short time. Rather with bar girls I always prefer to have over night (each to their own). A new bar has come up at the end of the Soi cowboy on right side. I reached the bar around 10:30 pm. A full on girl on girl show was on display on bike in the center of the stage. The action was full on with strap on, licking and anal. The girls in the bar are hot and they either have black or orange colour costumes. Bar fees change for accordingly. Selected a girl by name Nut for over night. Had some fun within the bar before heading to my hotel. The girl was very sweet around 24 years. Gave a nice GFE experience was with me till 11:00 am in the morning. I had to rush for client meet around 12:30, so took her for lunch at steak house. Over all very nice experience. Will try out Patpong area tomorrow.

[QUOTE=JustTimePass;2346894]Went to Soi Cowboy yesterday. <snip> A new bar has come up at the end of the Soi cowboy on right side. I reached the bar around 10:30 pm. A full on girl on girl show was on display on bike in the center of the stage. The action was full on with strap on, licking and anal. The girls in the bar are hot and they either have black or orange colour costumes. Bar fees change for accordingly. Selected a girl by name Nut for over night. Had some fun within the bar before heading to my hotel. The girl was very sweet around 24 years. Gave a nice GFE experience was with me till 11:00 am in the morning. I had to rush for client meet around 12:30, so took her for lunch at steak house. Over all very nice experience. Will try out Patpong area tomorrow.[/QUOTE]This Go Go is called Kazy & Kozy. I believe Kazy is the bar on ground level with the bike on the stage. When I was there in early June there was nothing going on at Kozy the bar upstairs. One or both of these bars is supposed to be affiliated with Crazy House. It is good news to hear that you thought the girls were hot. When I was there the girls were average at best, although they seemed to have good attitudes and were trying to keep things lively and entertaining.

Any one knows where I can buy Dental dam in Sukhumvit area? I tried asking at couple of pharmacies near my condo, but they didn't have it.

I can make one out of condom, but it plain sucks between the act.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2346723]Mine is identical Asian twins with curly blonde hair dyed is OK 6 feet tall with their under 40 year mother who looks 30 showing them how to take care of me.[/QUOTE]I'm not into lady boys.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2346683]Well we all have our bucket lists. I am looking for identical twins. They have to be good looking, but other than that I don't care what their ethnic origin is as long as its Asian. I don't want Caucasian or African twins! 2nd on my bucket list is a mother and daughter combo, but again the pair have to be smokin' hot and Asian. Please PM if you have any numbers.[/QUOTE]I currently know a pair of very nice 19 year old identical twins in Jakarta. I also know a 40 year old mom in Jakarta who is quite hot for her age and has a 21 year old daughter who is even hotter. Unfortunately, neither scenario is cheap. To be with just one of them is not expensive, but to bring them together for threesomes is a different story. They would have to meet you first, then agree to it if they felt comfortable with you. It's not just a case of calling them up and having them come over. the pic on the left is one of the 19 year olds, on the right is the 40 year old. I don't have a pic of the 21 year old.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2346683]Please PM if you have any numbers.[/QUOTE]I have come to the conclusion that it's not possible to send you a PM. I've tried a few times over the years and your inbox is always full.

Holy crap, that's some body of a 40 year old. The others would look pale in front of her.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2347040]I currently know a pair of very nice 19 year old identical twins in Jakarta. I also know a 40 year old mom in Jakarta who is quite hot for her age and has a 21 year old daughter who is even hotter. Unfortunately, neither scenario is cheap. To be with just one of them is not expensive, but to bring them together for threesomes is a different story. They would have to meet you first, then agree to it if they felt comfortable with you. It's not just a case of calling them up and having them come over. the pic on the left is one of the 19 year olds, on the right is the 40 year old. I don't have a pic of the 21 year old.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2347040]I currently know a pair of very nice 19 year old identical twins in Jakarta. I also know a 40 year old mom in Jakarta who is quite hot for her age and has a 21 year old daughter who is even hotter. Unfortunately, neither scenario is cheap. To be with just one of them is not expensive, but to bring them together for threesomes is a different story. They would have to meet you first, then agree to it if they felt comfortable with you. It's not just a case of calling them up and having them come over. the pic on the left is one of the 19 year olds, on the right is the 40 year old. I don't have a pic of the 21 year old.[/QUOTE]Hey Smoothy, I understand what you are saying totally. We will talk about this later. In the meantime let me comment on the pics because my take on them might be interesting. Based only on those two pictures and nothing else, I would say I find the girl on the right, the 40 year old, has a body more to my liking. I like that flat tummy thing she has going on and I would expect her tits to be aligned with that, not too large, and hopefully not droopy. I will take your word on the daughter being even hotter. Yes! Meanwhile the girl on the left, the sister, appears to be not quite my spec tit wise meaning I usually do not have girls as ample as she is, but 1 pic is only 1 pic. I know better than to make definitive judgments based on so little info and if she had a pretty face along with friendly personality; I could be all in - theoretically speaking of course. Ha Ha.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2347132]Hey Smoothy, I understand what you are saying totally. We will talk about this later. In the meantime let me comment on the pics because my take on them might be interesting. Based only on those two pictures and nothing else, I would say I find the girl on the right, the 40 year old, has a body more to my liking. I like that flat tummy thing she has going on and I would expect her tits to be aligned with that, not too large, and hopefully not droopy. I will take your word on the daughter being even hotter. Yes! Meanwhile the girl on the left, the sister, appears to be not quite my spec tit wise meaning I usually do not have girls as ample as she is, but 1 pic is only 1 pic. I know better than to make definitive judgments based on so little info and if she had a pretty face along with friendly personality; I could be all in - theoretically speaking of course. Ha Ha.[/QUOTE]Those 19 year olds have the best tits I have been with this year. Those tits are real, big, young, and firm. Those girls have beautiful faces and firm bodies too. As far as friendly personality, they can't speak one word of English, but they are nice girls. Good actresses too with their moans. LOL. But yes, if you want small tits, definitely avoid those girls.

Judging from your previous posts, I do agree the 40 year old is probably more your body type. There is no wilder girl in bed than that girl. I've known her for 20 years and she still looks good. I saw her in BATS not long ago already with some guy. I first only saw her from behind and was like "damn, who is that girl!". When she turned around, I had a good laugh when I realized who it was. Still caught my eye even 20 years later. That's impressive. Her daughter is not as thin as her.

Surprisingly, there are Indian Freelancers working Soi 4 nowadays. They are light skinned, wear traditional kurtis and hang out outside the new Novotel and across the road. I was shocked when I realized they were the real deal. The first few times I thought they were guests of the Novotel waiting for a taxi, but then they gave me the eye. Indian guys snatch them up fairly quickly.

I've always wanted to collect an Indian so definitely tried some out.

One is called Borshi? A muslim girl 23 from Jaipur, pretty Farid? A Muslim from Bangalore, and there was another nerdy one with glasses I didn't get to try.

I thought they might be Uzbeks pretending to be Indians, but they passed a "cricket" knowledge test and knew the world cup and all the players. So even if they aren't Indians they'd have to be Pakistanis or Afghans.

Review:

The girls are quite friendly and smiley, especially if you show some kindness, however unfortunately Indians aren't good at sex.

- They don't shower before and after, so they're dirty.

- They won't change position. They only lie on their back. You can lift their legs every which way, they don't complain, but they won't go into doggy or on top etc. Explains the behavior of some indian guys.

- Shaved pussy, nice and warm inside.

- One gave a good BJ, the other didn't do it at all.

- One had some baby damage, the other didn't.

- Just 1000 THB.

- Apparently some more Indian girls are coming. Maybe they're the new Africans?

So in Summary, they have novelty value as Indians but they aren't good in bed and you'll have a better experience with a Thai.

[QUOTE=PutinEatsJizz;2345563]Fucked another thermae's gal looking like an anime doll for 3 k and a Russian chick for 3.5 this week. Going to try ThaiFriendly for a short while after a break.

Putin Eats Jizz.[/QUOTE]Mate, can you please guide me where to find Russian girls in Bangkok?

Also, your username is hilarious. Are you a Russian who's not a fan of the president?

[QUOTE=TheRedBaron;2347178]Surprisingly, there are Indian Freelancers working Soi 4 nowadays. They are light skinned, wear traditional kurtis and hang out outside the new Novotel and across the road. I was shocked when I realized they were the real deal. The first few times I thought they were guests of the Novotel waiting for a taxi, but then they gave me the eye. Indian guys snatch them up fairly quickly.

I've always wanted to collect an Indian so definitely tried some out.

One is called Borshi? A muslim girl 23 from Jaipur, pretty Farid? A Muslim from Bangalore, and there was another nerdy one with glasses I didn't get to try..[/QUOTE]I have seen them and had one of them. As as I know they are from northern side of Pakistan which close to Afghanistan.

All the other points you mentioned were agreeable. Mine one had bath but only missionary position. BJ only with covered that too for 2 minutes. Avoid if possible.

I went to kiss massage around 2 pm as my meetings got over early. Only 1 more day remaining before I fly to Singapore. The girls are OK types. So I selected a girl by name Rose. Had a good B2B session. After the session asked if she willing to join me in my hotel, got yes. On the way had very nice lunch, she order the food was fantastic. On reaching hotel, slept for couple of hours. When I woke up she was busy on phone and talking with someone very loudly and seemed angry. Just asked if everything was fine, came to know that she was having fight with her BF as he cheated on her. I knew this would go down very badly and its better to call off the evening plans with her. So I made her comfortable and requested to call the evening, though I had paid for full night. Her reply was, she is not going and would give me good time. There was silence for about 1 hour. Around 7 pm she got ready and asked me to get ready to go to go go bar. I was the only person in lighthouse with 6 girls on my table around 9 pm and had a blast. Returned to room after some more bar hoping. She was going full on with me and had very rough sex mostly WOT, anal and finally CIM. Had two session same night. I don't know what triggered her but I can easily count this to be top 10 encounters.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2347020]Any one knows where I can buy Dental dam in Sukhumvit area? I tried asking at couple of pharmacies near my condo, but they didn't have it.

I can make one out of condom, but it plain sucks between the act.[/QUOTE]There are a few dental clinics on Soi 21 walk up the road a ways and you will see their signs. I get my cleaning done there.

[QUOTE=JustTimePass;2347307]I went to kiss massage around 2 pm as my meetings got over early. Only 1 more day remaining before I fly to Singapore. The girls are OK types. So I selected a girl by name Rose. Had a good B2B session. After the session asked if she willing to join me in my hotel, got yes. On the way had very nice lunch, she order the food was fantastic. On reaching hotel, slept for couple of hours. When I woke up she was busy on phone and talking with someone very loudly and seemed angry. Just asked if everything was fine, came to know that she was having fight with her BF as he cheated on her. I knew this would go down very badly and its better to call off the evening plans with her. So I made her comfortable and requested to call the evening, though I had paid for full night. Her reply was, she is not going and would give me good time. There was silence for about 1 hour. Around 7 pm she got ready and asked me to get ready to go to go go bar. I was the only person in lighthouse with 6 girls on my table around 9 pm and had a blast. Returned to room after some more bar hoping. She was going full on with me and had very rough sex mostly WOT, anal and finally CIM. Had two session same night. I don't know what triggered her but I can easily count this to be top 10 encounters.[/QUOTE]Nothing strange. Its called revenge sex, although the guy she trying to hurt knows nothing about it. Women. Go figure!

[QUOTE=JustTimePass;2347307]I went to kiss massage around 2 pm as my meetings got over early. Only 1 more day remaining before I fly to Singapore. The girls are OK types. So I selected a girl by name Rose. Had a good B2B session. After the session asked if she willing to join me in my hotel, got yes.
[/QUOTE]Is this normal? Can we just take the girl out with us for whole day?

Did you pay anything to mamsan?

How much did you pay the girl for whole day?

TLDR; Avoid the girl named 'Soda' at 7 Heaven.

I tried a BJ place (7 Heaven) for the first time these past few days and wished that I would've dug a little deeper in searching the forums before going there. When I did a search on here afterwards, it seems that this 'Soda' girl had an unfavorable review on her service. Unfortunately, she became my first girl at 7 Heaven. I won't go into details on why she was so terrible. She just really "sucks" at her job (and I don't mean the literal meaning of "suck" either); she is just terrible and seemed miserable when giving a BJ and why she continues to work in a BJ shop is just beyond my comprehension. If you don't believe me, then you are more than welcome to give her a try yourself. However, good thing that I gave 7 Heaven another try as I thought that maybe this bad apple of a girl was just an abnormality. When I went back the 2nd time, I was able to get serviced by a better looking girl with way better BJ skills. I'm happy to say that she'll definitely be my go-to BJ girl for the remainder of my time here in BKK. I should try some other girls out at this place, but my fear of running into another 'Soda' clone prevents me from experimenting. But I'm sure the other girls can't be worst than 'Soda'.

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2347844]TLDR; Avoid the girl named 'Soda' at 7 Heaven.

I tried a BJ place (7 Heaven) for the first time these past few days and wished that I would've dug a little deeper in searching the forums before going there. When I did a search on here afterwards, it seems that this 'Soda' girl had an unfavorable review on her service. Unfortunately, she became my first girl at 7 Heaven. I won't go into details on why she was so terrible. She just really "sucks" at her job (and I don't mean the literal meaning of "suck" either); she is just terrible and seemed miserable when giving a BJ and why she continues to work in a BJ shop is just beyond my comprehension. If you don't believe me, then you are more than welcome to give her a try yourself. However, good thing that I gave 7 Heaven another try as I thought that maybe this bad apple of a girl was just an abnormality. When I went back the 2nd time, I was able to get serviced by a better looking girl with way better BJ skills. I'm happy to say that she'll definitely be my go-to BJ girl for the remainder of my time here in BKK. I should try some other girls out at this place, but my fear of running into another 'Soda' clone prevents me from experimenting. But I'm sure the other girls can't be worst than 'Soda'.[/QUOTE]Good point. But she's at the bottom of the ladder as it is. I can't think of a worst job than giving blowjobs. Did you try and teach her what you wanted? I would think if you told her to stop and explained what you want her to do it would help. Also hang the carrot out there, a tip if she does it right.

RL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2347040]I currently know a pair of very nice 19 year old identical twins in Jakarta. I also know a 40 year old mom in Jakarta who is quite hot for her age and has a 21 year old daughter who is even hotter. Unfortunately, neither scenario is cheap. To be with just one of them is not expensive, but to bring them together for threesomes is a different story. They would have to meet you first, then agree to it if they felt comfortable with you. It's not just a case of calling them up and having them come over. the pic on the left is one of the 19 year olds, on the right is the 40 year old. I don't have a pic of the 21 year old.[/QUOTE]Damn I would pay a lot to do the twins of the one on the left (and her sister), Mr. Smooth.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2347808]Is this normal? Can we just take the girl out with us for whole day?

Did you pay anything to mamsan?

How much did you pay the girl for whole day?[/QUOTE] yes out all service is on their website. I paid 1500 for outcall and then total 9000 for full night.

I made my first visit to Thermae recently, and there was a huge crowd outside (around 1 am) probably due to the non-alcoholic holidays; quite the scene. As I found my way into the crowd near Thermae, I observed and was surprised to see some pretty good-looking freelancers there. One of the pretty ones quoted me 3 K; haggled down to 2 K. In the end, got the GFE service which surprised me. I would continue to recommend checking this location out as the potential to find a hidden gem seems possible.

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2347844]TLDR; Avoid the girl named 'Soda' at 7 Heaven.

I tried a BJ place (7 Heaven) for the first time these past few days and wished that I would've dug a little deeper in searching the forums before going there. When I did a search on here afterwards, it seems that this 'Soda' girl had an unfavorable review on her service. Unfortunately, she became my first girl at 7 Heaven. I won't go into details on why she was so terrible. She just really "sucks" at her job (and I don't mean the literal meaning of "suck" either); she is just terrible and seemed miserable when giving a BJ and why she continues to work in a BJ shop is just beyond my comprehension. If you don't believe me, then you are more than welcome to give her a try yourself. However, good thing that I gave 7 Heaven another try as I thought that maybe this bad apple of a girl was just an abnormality. When I went back the 2nd time, I was able to get serviced by a better looking girl with way better BJ skills. I'm happy to say that she'll definitely be my go-to BJ girl for the remainder of my time here in BKK. I should try some other girls out at this place, but my fear of running into another 'Soda' clone prevents me from experimenting. But I'm sure the other girls can't be worst than 'Soda'.[/QUOTE]Yes I think she is same girl which caused a big scene at seven heaven, involving refund, guns and police.

I like the place and been there 3 times and service is good.

Byw, third time I picked two girls (both frim my previous visits) and it was great. Came twice in 40 minutes, quite unusual for me.

[QUOTE=JustTimePass;2348114]yes out all service is on their website. I paid 1500 for outcall and then total 9000 for full night.[/QUOTE]Don't you think 9000 waa more than usual rates? Maybe that's why she gave you a good time.

I'm glad that the recent posts on twins or sisters and mother-daughter threesomes came up.

I'll be in BKK at the start of September for a landmark birthday and would love to celebrate with one of the above threesome combinations.

Hopefully research and input between now and then can provide me with some promising leads. If anyone has any leads or solid intel or contacts, please PM me.

This would be a dream come true if it happened. Identical sisters is a bit of an ask, but regular sisters or mum and daughter would be great.

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2348226]I made my first visit to Thermae recently, and there was a huge crowd outside (around 1 am) probably due to the non-alcoholic holidays; quite the scene. As I found my way into the crowd near Thermae, I observed and was surprised to see some pretty good-looking freelancers there. One of the pretty ones quoted me 3 K; haggled down to 2 K. In the end, got the GFE service which surprised me. I would continue to recommend checking this location out as the potential to find a hidden gem seems possible.[/QUOTE]Did you discuss the possibilities that she / he could be a post opp? I talked to a beauty outside of Termae and her price was very low. I had the suspicion that something was wrong and I asked if she was an LB, she said "no I have been changed, I'm a Thai lady now". 555, I was tempted but just the thought, I wish I hadn't asked.

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2348226]I made my first visit to Thermae recently, and there was a huge crowd outside (around 1 am) probably due to the non-alcoholic holidays; quite the scene. As I found my way into the crowd near Thermae, I observed and was surprised to see some pretty good-looking freelancers there. One of the pretty ones quoted me 3 K; haggled down to 2 K. In the end, got the GFE service which surprised me. I would continue to recommend checking this location out as the potential to find a hidden gem seems possible.[/QUOTE]The "girls" hanging outside Thermae are ladyboys. Could be post-op, did she have fake boobs? Checking the adam's apple is pointless because it's simple 15 minute outpatient surgery.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2346662]Dear friends.

The recent Russia post gave me an idea. Russian girls are easy to find, but some others are not so easy.

In Bangkok, where I can find hot Aboriginal girls for LT or for full night? What will be the usual rate / price for LT? Any night clubs with Aboriginal girls in Bangkok?

I have no interest in any type of girl other than Aboriginal (not even African). An Albino Aboriginese is ok, but I prefer them to be dark skinned. A threesome with one albino and one normal Aboriginal would be a dream come true. If they are a midget, that's ok too, but not under 4 foot 7. As long as they are hot (at least a 8 out of 10) and have nice noses. Can I get guidance in this regard?

Some of you Aussie guys must know the answer. I hear Aboriginal girls are a hot commodity for Aussies. If you don't want to share the info publicly because you want to flood the market with mongers, please send me a PM, I promise to keep the info to myself.

Thanks in advance gents.[/QUOTE]If you want aboriginal girls you'll need to go to Australia, even then it will be near impossible because they are some of the ugliest women on the planet and there's no demand for them at all.

If Melanesian women are an acceptable substitute then you should try Fiji instead.

[QUOTE=JustTimePass;2347298]I have seen them and had one of them. As as I know they are from northern side of Pakistan which close to Afghanistan.

All the other points you mentioned were agreeable. Mine one had bath but only missionary position. BJ only with covered that too for 2 minutes. Avoid if possible.[/QUOTE]Ah I was suspicious they weren't Indian girls because they were quite light skinned. Why lie? Why not just say Pakistani?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2346662]In Bangkok, where I can find hot Aboriginal girls for LT or for full night?

I have no interest in any type of girl other than Aboriginal (not even African).

Some of you Aussie guys must know the answer.[/QUOTE]If you really want a full blooded Aboriginal I think you are well out of luck in Bangkok.

Fly to Western Australia-Perth or The Northern Territory-Alice Springs. Head to the nearest public park or known Aboriginal drinking establishments. No shortage. Not sure of the outlay, however I have heard chat about just alcohol or even cigarettes.

I made a 2nd trip out to Thermae and can confirm now that my first trip was an anomaly. On that first visit, all the girls were outside due to the non-alcoholic holidays and the Thermae bar was closed; of course that didn't stop the girls from freelancing outside; hence the huge crowd.

On this 2nd visit, I actually saw the inside of Thermae for the first time. It had this feeling of a 'meat-market'-type of atmosphere. The girls were everywhere in that one huge big room. The ratio was definitely way more girls than guys. I think that if you're not able to find someone that meets your specification for attractiveness at this place, then there's a possibility that maybe asian girls are not your type. I have yet to explore all areas in the city. But at the moment, I would say that (so far since I've been here) this is probably the best freelancing hub in Bangkok.

Well, so far since I've mongered in Bangkok for the first time, I've managed to check out 2 gogo bars at Nana, an oily massage place, a BJ bar, and this Thermae bar.

The gogo bars were OK; I'll check out some more. The oily massage (101 Premier) was disappointing; the girl was attractive and she was actually a nice girl but the chemistry wasn't there. She might hit it off with someone else but I just didn't click with her. I'll have to try that place again since there seemed to be some more attractive girls there.

Other observations; seems like if you're looking for some hotties on Soi 4, they seem to be standing in front of Hooters.

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[QUOTE=The Red Baron;2348490]If you want aboriginal girls you'll need to go to Australia, even then it will be near impossible because they are some of the ugliest women on the planet and there's no demand for them at all.

If Melanesian women are an acceptable substitute then you should try Fiji instead.[/QUOTE]

I agree that they are normally quite ugly. I just haven't tried any yet. It's a bucket list thing where I'd like to sample every different type of girl. I do intend on giving Fiji a shot as well some day.

[QUOTE=Bouvis;2348527]If you really want a full blooded Aboriginal I think you are well out of luck in Bangkok.

Fly to Western Australia-Perth or The Northern Territory-Alice Springs. Head to the nearest public park or known Aboriginal drinking establishments. No shortage. Not sure of the outlay, however I have heard chat about just alcohol or even cigarettes.[/QUOTE]Thanks mate. I'll give it a shot in Perth. Another guy was telling me I can tempt them with some Swan Draught Beer.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2346662]Dear friends.

The recent Russia post gave me an idea. Russian girls are easy to find, but some others are not so easy.

In Bangkok, where I can find hot Aboriginal girls for LT or for full night? What will be the usual rate / price for LT? Any night clubs with Aboriginal girls in Bangkok?

I have no interest in any type of girl other than Aboriginal (not even African). An Albino Aboriginese is ok, but I prefer them to be dark skinned. A threesome with one albino and one normal Aboriginal would be a dream come true. If they are a midget, that's OK too, but not under 4 foot 7. As long as they are hot (at least a 8 out of 10) and have nice noses. Can I get guidance in this regard?

Some of you Aussie guys must know the answer. I hear Aboriginal girls are a hot commodity for Aussies. If you don't want to share the info publicly because you want to flood the market with mongers, please send me a PM, I promise to keep the info to myself.

Thanks in advance gents.[/QUOTE]Albino Aboriginese. You are a funny dude smoothy!! Everything is available in Bangkok. Almost!!

[QUOTE=KoolGuy85;2347288]Mate, can you please guide me where to find Russian girls in Bangkok?

Also, your username is hilarious. Are you a Russian who's not a fan of the president?[/QUOTE]The one I found was hanging out in front of Grace hotel like on the ramp area. That whole city block is like 99% Arab though, so it was definitely a weird find. But yeah they are easily the most expensive type in BKK I think (she initially asked for 4 k).

If Hong Kong quiets down with all the riots, there's a couple of brothel-like buildings that are excellent for Russians. That's my usual go to place for them. They're the same price as BKK but much more variety.

And my username is just to drive away of trolls and bots LOL. Same reason listing China's atrocities (tianenmen square massacre) will drive away pro-Chinese government hacks.

Putin eats jizz.

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2348536]I made a 2nd trip out to Thermae and can confirm now that my first trip was an anomaly. On that first visit, all the girls were outside due to the non-alcoholic holidays and the Thermae bar was closed; of course that didn't stop the girls from freelancing outside; hence the huge crowd.

On this 2nd visit, I actually saw the inside of Thermae for the first time. It had this feeling of a 'meat-market'-type of atmosphere. The girls were everywhere in that one huge big room. The ratio was definitely way more girls than guys. I think that if you're not able to find someone that meets your specification for attractiveness at this place, then there's a possibility that maybe asian girls are not your type. I have yet to explore all areas in the city. But at the moment, I would say that (so far since I've been here) this is probably the best freelancing hub in Bangkok.

Well, so far since I've mongered in Bangkok for the first time, I've managed to check out 2 gogo bars at Nana, an oily massage place, a BJ bar, and this Thermae bar.

The gogo bars were OK; I'll check out some more. The oily massage (101 Premier) was disappointing; the girl was attractive and she was actually a nice girl but the chemistry wasn't there. She might hit it off with someone else but I just didn't click with her. I'll have to try that place again since there seemed to be some more attractive girls there.

Other observations; seems like if you're looking for some hotties on Soi 4, they seem to be standing in front of Hooters.[/QUOTE]I agree. Thermae is "overall" the best for ST and even for LT many times but this usually happens with older gals late twenties +.

The younger ones 20 somethings are only usually open for ST. I picked up a hot 22 cutie standing near the back entrance. Thought I will repeat but never actually got time to call her again even though I was there for a week, even did not get a chance to visit the go gos this time what with all my clubbing & roof top bars thingy going with all new gals. This time even managed a couple of uzbeks one of them a total sex lover!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2346683]Well we all have our bucket lists. I am looking for identical twins. They have to be good looking, but other than that I don't care what their ethnic origin is as long as its Asian. I don't want Caucasian or African twins! 2nd on my bucket list is a mother and daughter combo, but again the pair have to be smokin' hot and Asian. Please PM if you have any numbers.[/QUOTE]There are a pair of identical twins working at one of the vikings bars in Cebu. Early twenties, very very good looking. I took the less drunk of the two sisters for around 3500 Philippine pesos for LT. She was very energetic. Definition of LBFM. Best sex I have had since Pattaya last year. Top 3 ever. It's the last bar on the right in the mango square are owned by the Norwegian.

I am here in BKK for a short visit and it is much different now than when I lived here in the past. A lot less girls around and the Nana disco doesn't seem to be open. But as usual most of the girls are not friendly as there were years ago.

Did the walk around Nana and the Grace hotel but very few 8/9's around mostly 5/6's.

Did meet one girl last night and she was very GFE settled for long time 2 K and it was worth it. No rules no negativity just a friendly experience. Met her around the hotel on SUK just past Nana.

Will try again tonight to find her.

The only negative is that many girls at Thermae will be very mechanical in bed.

It can be a great place to start the evening to get the juices flowing. I have not had any luck at Thermae.

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2348536]I made a 2nd trip out to Thermae and can confirm now that my first trip was an anomaly. On that first visit, all the girls were outside due to the non-alcoholic holidays and the Thermae bar was closed; of course that didn't stop the girls from freelancing outside; hence the huge
On this 2nd visit, I actually saw the inside of Thermae for the first time. It had this feeling of a 'meat-market'-type of atmosphere. The girls were everywhere in that one huge big room. The ratio was definitely way more girls than guys. I think that if you're not able to find someone that meets your specification for attractiveness at this place, then there's a possibility that maybe asian girls are not your type. I have yet to explore all areas in the city. But at the moment, I would say that (so far since I've been here) this is probably the best freelancing hub in Bangkok.

Well, so far since I've mongered in Bangkok for the first time, I've managed to check out 2 gogo bars at Nana, an oily massage place, a BJ bar, and this Thermae bar.

The gogo bars were OK; I'll check out some more. The oily massage (101 Premier) was disappointing; the girl was attractive and she was actually a nice girl but the chemistry wasn't there. She might hit it off with someone else but I just didn't click with her. I'll have to try that place again since there seemed to be some more attractive girls there.

Other observations; seems like if you're looking for some hotties on Soi 4, they seem to be standing in front of Hooters.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kirsia123;2348978]The only negative is that many girls at Thermae will be very mechanical in bed.[/QUOTE]That's why I am going to pick up one of these. Less hassle.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cN8sJz50Ng[/URL]

[QUOTE=Kirsia123;2348978]The only negative is that many girls at Thermae will be very mechanical in bed.

It can be a great place to start the evening to get the juices flowing. I have not had any luck at Thermae.[/QUOTE]I have pulled 5 girls from Thermae and all of them were patient and not in a hurry. Being older it takes a littler longer for me to finish. Each lady was vey understanding and went all out to get me to finish. They tried every play in the book to succeed and two even took off the condom and said please pull out when you come.

I guess everyone has a different experience with the ladies they pull. I did nego the price but still could not get under 2000 thb. A couple were 2500 thb. These were girls from the right side which I think is the 6-7 group, the left side is the 8-9 group, score out of 10.

RL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2348981]That's why I am going to pick up one of these. Less hassle.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cN8sJz50Ng[/URL][/QUOTE]Woah. I might buy one after seeing feedback from initial buyers.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2349006]I have pulled 5 girls from Thermae and all of them were patient and not in a hurry. Being older it takes a littler longer for me to finish. Each lady was vey understanding and went all out to get me to finish. They tried every play in the book to succeed and two even took off the condom and said please pull out when you come.

I guess everyone has a different experience with the ladies they pull. I did nego the price but still could not get under 2000 thb. A couple were 2500 thb. These were girls from the right side which I think is the 6-7 group, the left side is the 8-9 group, score out of 10.

RL.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I never knew anyone pulled the somewhat unattractive girls from the right side. I always thought those girls were just there to socialize with their friends and drink.

If the girls on the left are charging 2500, I would think the girls on the right would be 1000 or even free.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2349006]I have pulled 5 girls from Thermae and all of them were patient and not in a hurry.

I guess everyone has a different experience with the ladies they pull. I did nego the price but still could not get under 2000 thb. A couple were 2500 thb. These were girls from the right side which I think is the 6-7 group, the left side is the 8-9 group, score out of 10.

RL.[/QUOTE]Everybody has different tastes, different MO's, and as a result different favorite honky tonks. This post is not intended to criticize you or put you down, just to indicate how we arrive at such divergent views of Thermae. The bottom line is I am not a big fan and very rarely take a girl out of there, but I still occasionally like to drop by and window shop, usually later in the evening after I have already had a ST with a Go Go girl and said goodbye to her or when I am coming back from a session at a Soapie and dinner. It's usually around midnight or a little later and I am just cruising around Sukhumvit sometimes heading in the general direction of Soi 11, sometimes heading the other way towards Cowboy or Soi 22. I enjoy cruising around Sukhumvit after midnight. Many times, but far from a majority of the time, I will meet a girl I like in a bar or on the street and have a 2 fer.

Anyway, since I am in the neighborhood and just passing by Thermae, I will drop in to take a look at the girls and have a coke lite as long as I have nothing else specific on my agenda. The 1st issue I have with Thermae is I rarely see any girls on the left or right above a 6 IMHO and the fact that most of the girls are wearing drab street clothes doesn't help either. The 2nd issue I have with Thermae is the vibe. Some guys refer to it as a meat market. I wouldn't mind if it were just that. I used to frequent Nataree a lot. Now Nataree WAS a meat market! LOL. But it was a friendly good vibe meat market and many of the Nataree girls were young, pretty and up to my spec. It's too bad, but I just don't see the good vibes happening in Thermae. The older girls whom I am not interested in are friendly, but the younger more attractive ones are available yes, but appear too reticent in the bar for my taste plus the set-up kind of deters engaging in private conversations ie auditions with the girls to establish a rapport or see if one is possible before taking them out. That last sentence mainly refers to girls sitting along the walls not so much with girls sitting around the island.

Anyway, for these reasons and a few more besides, Thermae is just not my kind of pick up joint. YMMV. I am glad you like it and have found nice girls there. I know there are nice girls there. Some girlfriends of my Mini are former Baccara Go Go girls who now occasionally FL in Thermae. I have seen them sitting in booths along the left wall and I will say hi to them. Later Mini will confirm the brief encounter and joke about my visiting Thermae. HA HA. Her girlfriends are great girls! Back in the day I used to hang out with Mini and her entourage 3 or 4 nights a week. I just find it easier and more fun to find those kinds of girls and younger ones too elsewhere. 555.

Thus whenever I do stop by I usually walk around the island 2 or 3 times, smiling at the girls, nodding my head at the ones that smile back, avoiding the smiles from the needy, unattractive ones; just sipping my coke lite. Then I head back outside to wherever I was rambling off to.

On my last trip to BKK I took one Thermae girl. It was after midnight on my first night in town. She was ok, nice looking, maybe a 6, but nothing to write home about. I have pics of her to remind me of how she looks, otherwise I would have forgotten her already as I predicted. I still have her LINE ID on my cell phone, but there is no chance I will drop her a line and get back together with her. She was not a bad girl, just not a memorable one.

And in all my years of occasionally dropping by Thermae, there was only one Thermae girl that I met 6 or 7 years ago, that really moved me. What a girl! She was 28, gorgeous, well dressed and professionally coiffed, graceful, educated, friendly, outgoing, confident, and very sexy. She obviously did not belong in Thermae. Ha Ha. Girls like her do not usually hang out in Thermae. They are usually found in Mixx or someplace like that. Needless to say, I took her home after we established a little friendly rapport and had a great time, but somehow, I lost the scrap of paper that had her name and cell number. This was before I had a smart phone. I went back several times to Thermae to find her, but no such luck. I am still grieving over the loss. 555.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2348981]That's why I am going to pick up one of these. Less hassle.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cN8sJz50Ng[/URL][/QUOTE]I tried one once. Less hassle, yes. But too mechanical in bed.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2345211]Well, I do agree with that.

To stay on topic, here's a girl I had sex with recently in Thailand with my tax refund.[/QUOTE]Oh myyy.

Why can't I meet someone like that.

[QUOTE=Catire;2349172]Oh myyy.

Why can't I meet someone like that.[/QUOTE]Give it 20-30 yrs and you'll be able to.

Read 'Machines Like Me' for a possible robotic future we'll have.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2349130]I tried one once. Less hassle, yes. But too mechanical in bed.[/QUOTE]Mechanical aspect we're used to. Like a large percentage of the gals here.

[QUOTE=Lovelongtime;2348911]There are a pair of identical twins working at one of the vikings bars in Cebu. Early twenties, very very good looking. I took the less drunk of the two sisters for around 3500 Philippine pesos for LT. She was very energetic. Definition of LBFM. Best sex I have had since Pattaya last year. Top 3 ever. It's the last bar on the right in the mango square are owned by the Norwegian.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

I am in Cebu in Oct. I will hunt for the twins.

I might be able to knock one off the bucket list.

Like Austin Powers said. "twins Basil twins".

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2349311]Mechanical aspect we're used to. Like a large percentage of the gals here.[/QUOTE]You're right. But the part about the robot girl remembering what you tell her and not asking again or us needing to repeat the same instructions to her over and over again would be a big plus in favor of the robot.

[QUOTE=Kirsia123;2348978]The only negative is that many girls at Thermae will be very mechanical in bed.

It can be a great place to start the evening to get the juices flowing. I have not had any luck at Thermae.[/QUOTE]Yeah that's true, I took a girl in my last trip in Dec, the girl took the money instantly after entering the room, she charged around 4500 baht for a night, she made me bath in the tub and went for the deed in the bed, it was a quickly, I don't know what went into her mind, she started to see her kids photos in the phone, that's it, then it was early in the morning, when she tried to give a BJ, may be I was in hangover due to previous night alcohol or something, Johnny was not waking up, then she said she is hungry and left at 5 in the morning, I think thermae is a hit and miss chance, try your luck, you may not have your life time experience from there, it's better to take a girl who don't have kids, I feel they are more mechanical. Also she don't had a great body, but she was cute, due to the lot of choices available confuses us. I recommend only if you are sure about the girls go a head.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2349130]I tried one once. Less hassle, yes. But too mechanical in bed.[/QUOTE]My problem was she kept telling me to hurry up she was running out of battery. On top of that the ***** told me I was a cheap Charlie because I didn't tip her.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2349341]You're right. But the part about the robot girl remembering what you tell her and not asking again or us needing to repeat the same instructions to her over and over again would be a big plus in favor of the robot.[/QUOTE]So true. And I'm sure the robot would have no problem with BBFS or CIM.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2349126]
And in all my years of occasionally dropping by Thermae, there was only one Thermae girl that I met 6 or 7 years ago, that really moved me. What a girl! She was 28, gorgeous, well dressed and professionally coiffed, graceful, educated, friendly, outgoing, confident, and very sexy. She obviously did not belong in Thermae. Ha Ha. Girls like her do not usually hang out in Thermae. They are usually found in Mixx or someplace like that. Needless to say, I took her home after we established a little friendly rapport and had a great time, but somehow, I lost the scrap of paper that had her name and cell number. This was before I had a smart phone. I went back several times to Thermae to find her, but no such luck. I am still grieving over the loss. 555.[/QUOTE]You seem to have more luck than me (or more canny selecting girls) but very similar taste. I have to agree with your report completely. I am mostly just call in for a look too. Hard for me to get to the best girls. They don't want me or give off a bad vibe. No memorable girls in recent years from the Thermae, none even worth repeating and for me nearly half were bomb outs.

The clear problems for me, were over dressed girls hiding that body was not so fab, and too many girls with a lack of experience doing Farangs. The ones experienced in Farangs and preferring Farangs are just too ordinary looking and not too the standard we want.

I absolutely agree to about dreaming about fabulous girls of the Thermae from yesteryear long ago, never to find that fantastic a girl again.

Recently have repeated a Soi 4 street girl. Yeh I got lucky, she was tall, pretty enough, and gave a wonderful GFE. She loves Farangs and prefers them. Ha ha. Only weakness is has very small tits, but no big deal for me. No fake stuff. Wonderful full on tongue kissing which I never got from a Thermae girl in recent years. I don't need Raunchy girls but I guess some in Thermae are just too timid and recalcitrant and too inexperienced. If I just got that lucky in Thermae once, maybe I would change my stance.

In the old days Thermae was located in mouth of Soi 13 (close to Miami crap Hotel), and above it was the Thermae Soapy Massage (quite small but some good girls). Wonderful times in 1991. I was not even aware Annies existed. Nudity in bars was only in Pat Pong. Where is my time machine? I would like to repeat it all. One problem is my Thai GF was just a child at the time. Would have been nice to meet her really young though (at say 19 or 20).

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2349377]So true. And I'm sure the robot would have no problem with BBFS or CIM.[/QUOTE]If a robot was as hot as the robot girl in "Ex Machina" movie, I would certainly take her. My spec exactly.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2349101]
If the girls on the left are charging 2500, I would think the girls on the right would be 1000 or even free.[/QUOTE]Some people think girls should all be the same price. Ha ha. Not me. Poor quality should be very cheap. Top quality should cost more. Depends surely on demand.

In demand girls can afford to say no, if the price is not good. That is fair enough, the next guy will pay more.

Girls to the right side are comparable to Soi 4 girls somewhat, so prices should not be too far away for many of them. Yes some exceptions where I may have considered a right side girl, more so girls near to the front door, not sure if that is part of the "right" or not.

The worst girls on Soi 4 might be 1K an average girl 1200 and a much better girl 1300 to 1500. It makes no sense to me that the price variation is so low. I will go higher for something special, for sure. For some reason I just don't want the cheapest. Does not excite me. Sure I can get a dick in for 1K, but not my objective. I want value for the money too. Not a dog or fat face.

Gents,

I had hope to report more mongering activities while I explored more of Bangkok for the first time. I found that searching through the forum had been pretty helpful in preparing me for the different mongering areas to explore on this trip.

Unfortunately, the girl that I met on my first visit to Thermae has just spent the past 3 days with me. A positive though is the only thing that I've paid with her is for only meals and drinks that we've had. Otherwise, I've only given her that 2 k on the first time we met and some taxi money when she just left. If it weren't for her school days, she'd probably still be with me right now. So I guess I've got myself a steady local now; we'll see.

So hopefully now I'll get to check out Soi Cowboy and Patpong areas as I had planned.

When I went to Thermae the 3rd time this past Friday, I observed from outside that even from 8 pm-9 pm, girls were still rolling in to start their 'work'. And I didn't observe too many girls being taken out during this timeframe either. I went inside around 9 pm. But before I went inside, I did notice 3 girls arriving that seemed to be new to the location and didn't seem to know where to go and acted nervously about going inside; seems like there is also potential to meet some amateurs as well to this hobby. As I went inside and saw all the girls, I think between 9 pm-10 pm might be the best time to visit and get a decent lineup to choose. There were definitely a lot to choose (attractive, average, young, older girls). The girl that spent the past 3 days with me didn't show up 'til I think 10:00 pm. I ended chatting with her again and I took her out without discussing any pricing and it just rolled on from there.

Anyways, I can definitely see now why so many guys decide to stay and live in Thailand.

TC.

[QUOTE=JustTimePass;2346077]Was free within 1 hour. My other fantasy in this trip is to tick off BDSM. So tried contacting couple of dominatrix wael, jaa but they given me appointment later in the week. While browsing came across two BDSM clubs Barbar fetish and demino. Bar bar is in patpong and demino is close to phrong pong. Went to demino as it's closer to ashok. The club is very well played out amd nice atmosphere. Enough space about 7 dominatrix and 12 slaves were present as mentioned by the bar girl. Sat at the end of the bar. A salve girl was tied up near it and dom was spanking her. Had a bit of conversation and then I started hearing sounds coming from adjoining room having only curtain. There was a group session 2 men and 4 girls (1 dom and 3 slaves in session). Was able to hear and see everything. The guys were having time of their life. After sometime selected a dom and slave. Did some basic stuff. Then asked them to show me around. On the top floor rooms for private session were available, all of them were empty and on side of the bar 1 guy was having BJ completely naked in full view of anyone passing by. Near the cage room asian guy was being spanked by dom. I went in middle of the bar which was a little dark. Asked slave slave to give me BJ while dom gave her all the instructions. Then made her eat out dom and while I pumped slave and doggy. All this in open area. Was quite a turn on. Tomorrow will try out bar bar fetish. Total damage for demino was around 8 k but I don't care as I had a good time.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the report on BDSM. BDSM report is rare in this forum. Want to try some bondage stuff with a slave or two in Demonia after your report. Looking forward to your report in Bar Bar Fetish.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2349507]Some people think girls should all be the same price. Ha ha. Not me. Poor quality should be very cheap. Top quality should cost more. Depends surely on demand.

In demand girls can afford to say no, if the price is not good. That is fair enough, the next guy will pay more.

Girls to the right side are comparable to Soi 4 girls somewhat, so prices should not be too far away for many of them. Yes some exceptions where I may have considered a right side girl, more so girls near to the front door, not sure if that is part of the "right" or not.

The worst girls on Soi 4 might be 1K an average girl 1200 and a much better girl 1300 to 1500. It makes no sense to me that the price variation is so low. I will go higher for something special, for sure. For some reason I just don't want the cheapest. Does not excite me. Sure I can get a dick in for 1K, but not my objective. I want value for the money too. Not a dog or fat face.[/QUOTE]I assume from your post that you haven't priced the Ladies in Thermae for quite some time. I was also shocked at what they were asking. Maybe it was to early in the evening at around 10:00.

The right side winners were at 3000 to 5000 thb st. I was a little taken back that they were not ready to nego and although laughing and playing around they would not budge on their price.

They are waiting for their Japanese prize to make an offer I guess.

It is unfortunate that the Asian customers have accepted the rates and the ladies are happy to ask what they feel they can get. Leaving the farang customer heading out the door to Soi 4.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2350913]I assume from your post that you haven't priced the Ladies in Thermae for quite some time. I was also shocked at what they were asking. Maybe it was to early in the evening at around 10:00.

The right side winners were at 3000 to 5000 thb st. I was a little taken back that they were not ready to nego and although laughing and playing around they would not budge on their price.

They are waiting for their Japanese prize to make an offer I guess.

It is unfortunate that the Asian customers have accepted the rates and the ladies are happy to ask what they feel they can get. Leaving the farang customer heading out the door to Soi 4.

RL.[/QUOTE]It really is absurd, and like the GoGo scene, directed at tourists, not residents. It hasn't been a local hangout for years, and neither have GoGo bars for that matter. There really are no more girlie establishments that are expat hangouts, where you can go grab a drink, have a fun time or just a conversation and laughs with your friends, not be hassled by waitstaff, grab a gal if you want, and spend way less than the insane 3-5 k gals in Thermae are asking now. Incredible, Thermae gals were 1 k for years and years. 1 k in 99 and 1 k in 09. Then 1500 for years, 2 k for quite a time, then boom, rapid escalation in price. As you say, the Asian punter will pay. Was in a few weeks ago and the place was rammed. Never seen it that full. Lots of young Asian punters. By young, I mean under 30. Some didn't looked like they were fresh out of uni. All starry eyed, nervous, and naive. Gals would put up three fingers and off they'd go. Certain it didn't take her long to "earn" that money.

It was such a great place at one time. Sad? Angry? You bet. Who wouldn't be?

[QUOTE=Gladiator69;2350771]Thank you for the report on BDSM. BDSM report is rare in this forum. Want to try some bondage stuff with a slave or two in Demonia after your report. Looking forward to your report in Bar Bar Fetish.[/QUOTE]I was not able to explore bar bar fetish in this visit. Will try it in my next visit around December. If you visit London anytime let me know I know a very good BDSM club.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2350913]It is unfortunate that the Asian customers have accepted the rates and the ladies are happy to ask what they feel they can get. Leaving the farang customer heading out the door to Soi 4.RL.[/QUOTE]Even worse are smug dudes who think it is great to say, "well, if you can't afford it, too bad. " "It's the market. " li

Like it's some magical entity. I can afford it, but why? It's become very poor value for money.

Many of us choose Thailand, not just because of cheap plentiful p4 p but for the lifestyle you could live on very little. I'd often say it was a 3 star life on a 1 star budget. It's still 3 star in most aspects but your paying 4 star prices for many things and not receiving the quality of goods and services you expect for top dollar. Things you ignored when it was cheap are now a focus as they have become quite dear. And it seems the tourist numbers are declining because of it.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2350913]It is unfortunate that the Asian customers have accepted the rates and the ladies are happy to ask what they feel they can get. Leaving the farang customer heading out the door to Soi 4.[/QUOTE]It's always someone else's fault that the farang are priced out instead of our own. Older retired ex-pats on a limited budget due to not being employed anymore is priced out not because of his limited buying power but because of some asinine comment like 4 minutes, 4 inches, and 4000 baht. Current mongers from the UK and Australia are being priced out not because the exchange rate sucks but because some Asian guy is overpaying. Nevermind that there are still many 2 week farang millionaires coming from the USA inflating the price as well.

Blame can be shared all the way around. 2 week millionaires from the USA & Asia, weak exchange rates if you come from the UK or Australia, backwards Thai thinking of charging more when it's slow, and simply bars just being more greedy than ever before which is the most obvious reason. Tiered bar fines based on time and / or coyote / agency girls, bill padding double lady drinks, known gogo bar scams, and BGs just being a starfish and looking for a reason to cut short a session all either drive up prices or give a sense of little to negative value.

There's always the famous saying that a TG will charge more if she doesn't really want to go out with you. It could be that farangs are getting prices bumped higher now that the Asians are in town. But really it's a large mix of everything I've listed out that's affecting us.

Gents,

Since we're on the topic of Thermae, I thought I'the throw in my experience. I haven't written a field report for it yet, but I'll throw this out here for now. I went to thermae around 10 pm on a Saturday night, which I know isn't the best, but I still found this short and cute girl on the left side. She did make eye contact, smiled, and came over to me when I beckoned, so I took that as a good sign. During negotiations, I only managed to talk her down to 3 k from 3. 5 k, and she agreed to BBBJ and CFS. When we flagged a taxi she seemed mildly surprised and annoyed I lived south of Lumpini park, which I guess is rather far for her to travel back and forth? Anyways, we get to the Airbnb and she insists on just cleaning up by herself, no showering together. Afterwards, she just jumped in bed and started playing on her phone. Whatever, she was pretty damn cute, and I was looking forward to taking her. When I got started, however, she became this starfish. And even had the nerve to look at her watch and tell me to hurry up. I was quickly losing interest and motivation down there, so told her I was done about 10 minutes in. And then she got up and checked my condom, of all things. I hope this was a one off experience, since I rather enjoy the idea of being with a non-pro girl.

I don't know if gogo bars are for me. I've checked out the bars at Nana and Soi Cowboy.

For the most part, they do have a lot of attractive young girls. Although most of them will have tatoos and I'm not really into the whole tattoo thing. I tend to prefer the attractive, natural-beauty without any surgical enhancements or tattoos to the body. The bar fines seem to be between 1 k-1.5 k. The attractive girls seem to quote their own take for 3 k and some lowering that to 2.5 k. I took one girl from Nana and she seemed more concerned with trying to get me to finish quickly as opposed to trying to provide a good time. She did offer me CIM so I guess it was ok. I took another girl from Nana and she was one on those 'PR' girls who works on trying to bring you inside the bar. She offered a decent GFE experience and even offered to cook for me for another evening. I haven't contacted her again just because I'm just being too superficial; her stomach tattoo is just turning me off.

Two girls (who happen to be friends) from one of the gogo bars on Soi Cowboy offered to take me to go eat some noodles ('kuay tiew') after their work. We exchanged LINE info and one of them offered to take me on a trip to see Hua Hin; never been there so we'll see.

I do like this bar on Soi Cowboy called 'Tilac'. I just like how their outside table is setup so you can just sit and chill out (watching the view) while having a beer. Unfortunately, their girls are not that attractive.

I frequently walk past [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and Kasalong; unfortunately, based on just looks alone, I couldn't recommend going there. I think I've only seen one person sitting outside of Kasalong that I'd give a go for a BJ. Otherwise, I'll pay the couple hundred Bahts extra at 7-Heaven to get an attractive, young girl to provide the service.

I really screwed myself by messing around with this Thermae girl who has pretty much left a bunch of her clothes and belongings in my apartment and comes over when she has free time. I'm beginning to realize that Thai women can be somewhat clingy.

Anyways, I still need to try one of those big soapy massage places (I. E. La Belle, Poseidon). And I think I'll try to see how the regular disco club scene is like on Soi 11.

TC.

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2351024]It's always someone else's fault that the farang are priced out instead of our own. Older retired ex-pats on a limited budget due to not being employed anymore is priced out not because of his limited buying power but because of some asinine comment like 4 minutes, 4 inches, and 4000 baht. Current mongers from the UK and Australia are being priced out not because the exchange rate sucks but because some Asian guy is overpaying. Nevermind that there are still many 2 week farang millionaires coming from the USA inflating the price as well.

Blame can be shared all the way around. 2 week millionaires from the USA & Asia, weak exchange rates if you come from the UK or Australia, backwards Thai thinking of charging more when it's slow, and simply bars just being more greedy than ever before which is the most obvious reason. Tiered bar fines based on time and / or coyote / agency girls, bill padding double lady drinks, known gogo bar scams, and BGs just being a starfish and looking for a reason to cut short a session all either drive up prices or give a sense of little to negative value.

There's always the famous saying that a TG will charge more if she doesn't really want to go out with you. It could be that farangs are getting prices bumped higher now that the Asians are in town. But really it's a large mix of everything I've listed out that's affecting us.[/QUOTE]I've been here living here for almost two decades. The two-week millionaires have always had little effect on the overall price. There were just not the many of them when compared with expats and visitors who paid 1 k to the gals. Gals have always used the high price technique to scare away dudes they did not want to go with. Personally, I moved here when the Baht was well over 40 and saw it tumble to the low 30's well before the current strength it's experiencing against all currencies, including Asian ones. Yes, the exchange rate has had an effect, but when we look just at the Baht price, the cost has risen significantly over the last few years. The one factor that is constant in those years is the increasing number of Asian punters and the decreasing number of Western punters. Even back when the Japanese started coming to Thermae about 01, they tended to pay more. After the closing of the Siam City Coffee Shop in the mid-00's, which was the Asian Thermae and where most gals were priced at 1500 Baht as opposed to 1 k Baht Thermae, Asian customers started coming to Thermae in droves and the atmosphere, which was a party every night with some quite aggressive gals, changed and prices hit their first increase. Gone were the uber-fun gals dancing by the jukebox, the gals grabbing your crotch as you walked by saying, "F*ck with you tonight," and boom, 1500 as opposed to 1 k. And in came gals who would not go with Western guys. Personally I found the changes to be quite drastic as early as 07 and went from being a 3 to four night a week patron to being a few times a month then. And that had nothing to do with price but because it was no longer a "fun" place to hang out. Over the next decade the number of Western dudes kept declining and the atmosphere kept changing, until we see today's Thermae, 3 k gals, dressed conservatively, standing against the side, trying to act demure, not drinking, not dancing, projecting a kind of faux innocent politeness, with a myriad of dudes walking around in circles. Reminds me of a bad middle school dance with gals on one side and boys on the other. Not to mention gals who will completely ignore you or look away from you if you are Western and try to talk to them. Do you realize how rude and insulting that is here in Thailand?

With all due respect, the comment 4/4/4 or 3/3/3 is really not asinine. Demeaning yes, so for sure not a nice comment. Asian guys have always paid more, are smaller as a group if you look at statistics as far as size, and have very different performance expectations and you can verify this with gals that go with them. And the Asian punter far outnumbers the Western punter and will continue to do so. And to make matters worse, very few of the Asian dudes you see in Thermae are expats. Just like the GoGo scene it is for tourists now. I'll still contend that the number one factor with price increases in Thermae is the vast number of Asian tourist punters.

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2351171]Gents,

Since we're on the topic of Thermae, I thought I'the throw in my experience. I haven't written a field report for it yet, but I'll throw this out here for now. I went to thermae around 10 pm on a Saturday night, which I know isn't the best, but I still found this short and cute girl on the left side. She did make eye contact, smiled, and came over to me when I beckoned, so I took that as a good sign. During negotiations, I only managed to talk her down to 3 k from 3. 5 k, and she agreed to BBBJ and CFS. When we flagged a taxi she seemed mildly surprised and annoyed I lived south of Lumpini park, which I guess is rather far for her to travel back and forth? Anyways, we get to the Airbnb and she insists on just cleaning up by herself, no showering together. Afterwards, she just jumped in bed and started playing on her phone. Whatever, she was pretty damn cute, and I was looking forward to taking her. When I got started, however, she became this starfish. And even had the nerve to look at her watch and tell me to hurry up. I was quickly losing interest and motivation down there, so told her I was done about 10 minutes in. And then she got up and checked my condom, of all things. I hope this was a one off experience, since I rather enjoy the idea of being with a non-pro girl.[/QUOTE]When I have an experience like that, the session is called off immediately when there is no performance and the gal gets a few hundred Baht. They will continue to pull those stunts as long as guys accept it and pay full rate. Of course my interview is usually a bit more in depth, but even then it's a crap shoot. You'll probably get better performance out of a 1-1. 5 k Baht Soi 4 gal. It won't be any worse and you will not have spent 3 k for a big bag of nothing. I know very few dudes who are getting performers out of Thermae these days.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2351284]I've been here living here for almost two decades. The two-week millionaires have always had little effect on the overall price. There were just not the many of them when compared with expats and visitors who paid 1 k to the gals. Gals have always used the high price technique to scare away dudes they did not want to go with. Personally, I moved here when the Baht was well over 40 and saw it tumble to the low 30's well before the current strength it's experiencing against all currencies, including Asian ones. Yes, the exchange rate has had an effect, but when we look just at the Baht price, the cost has risen significantly over the last few years. The one factor that is constant in those years is the increasing number of Asian punters and the decreasing number of Western punters. Even back when the Japanese started coming to Thermae about 01, they tended to pay more. After the closing of the Siam City Coffee Shop in the mid-00's, which was the Asian Thermae and where most gals were priced at 1500 Baht as opposed to 1 k Baht Thermae, Asian customers started coming to Thermae in droves and the atmosphere, which was a party every night with some quite aggressive gals, changed and prices hit their first increase..[/QUOTE]I'd love to discuss how this evolved!

Great post, many thanks.

(I'm no BKK expert, but I believe "someone" is telling many of them not to? Same as Angeles city).

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2351287]When I have an experience like that, the session is called off immediately when there is no performance and the gal gets a few hundred Baht. They will continue to pull those stunts as long as guys accept it and pay full rate. Of course my interview is usually a bit more in depth, but even then it's a crap shoot. You'll probably get better performance out of a 1-1. 5 k Baht Soi 4 gal. It won't be any worse and you will not have spent 3 k for a big bag of nothing. I know very few dudes who are getting performers out of Thermae these days.[/QUOTE]Although I have pulled some good ladies out of Thermae, your report sums up what is happening. They are treating us like they treat the Asian Johns. No respect and a fast session. I have heard that from guys that pull from the Bars also. The ladies feel they are in charge and when you finish they go. They want to get back and pull another John and the cuter they are the better of a chance they will succeed.

I don't go after the 8's and 9's, for the very reason discussed. I just want a good BBBJ and a good fuck. Attitude is everything and if she has it, we go.

RL.

Goatscrot, seems to me that for a man in your shoes, these changes shouldn't particularly affect you much.

In fact, as a trusted "local" you should be able to put together a nice stable of "regular" real "semi-pros" - who will probably be fairly happy with 1. 5 k baht and perhaps taxi money. One would think you would get that price simply because you're local, trusted and reliable. And perhaps have even developed friendships with some of these girls.

So a man in your position shouldn't really even have to bother with Thermae (and I agree with your characterization of how the place has changed. You're completely correct) . So.

Is it just "the call of the 'strange' " LOL.

Not to disparage any Asians or Asian-Americans but the 3-3-3 or 4--4-4 line gets chuckles from one Thermae girl I know. And her clientele is 99% Asian / Japanese. She's also afraid of too large a tool, so perhaps it's the other 3's and 4's that cause the chuckle.

Can also confirm that Thai face / culture dictates that if she doesn't really want to go with you then she will jack up the price (which is her way of letting you know she's not really interested, but leaving you "face".

The girl I know regularly does this to Asian customers too. I then asked her, but what if he's willing to pay it? Her answer is, then she has to go with him.

I always pay the going rate with this girl I know. I don't think she'd ever give me a discount. She has serious bills to pay / lifestyle to uphold and that's why she's there LOL.

But. Our time is never rushed. And I get BBFS, the catch being that I have to get her off too. Ever since the first time, when she was multi-orgasmic with me, now I have to compromise (almost follow her demands LOL) on positions, technique, etc when I'm doing her "just right". but LOL All in all, not an unfair bargain.

P.S. One time I was standing with her outside and another girl walked up, and the "talk" was that she had done 6 short times that night LOLOLOL.

So dick size aside, what's really meaningful here is 3 K for 3 minutes. (or ok, even 13 minutes).

[QUOTE=Catire;2351364]Goatscrot, seems to me that for a man in your shoes, these changes shouldn't particularly affect you much.

In fact, as a trusted "local" you should be able to put together a nice stable of "regular" real "semi-pros" - who will probably be fairly happy with 1. 5 k baht and perhaps taxi money. One would think you would get that price simply because you're local, trusted and reliable. And perhaps have even developed friendships with some of these girls.

So a man in your position shouldn't really even have to bother with Thermae (and I agree with your characterization of how the place has changed. You're completely correct) . So.

Is it just "the call of the 'strange'" LOL.

Not to disparage any Asians or Asian-Americans but the 3-3-3 or 4--4-4 line gets chuckles from one Thermae girl I know. And her clientele is 99% Asian / Japanese. She's also afraid of too large a tool, so perhaps it's the other 3's and 4's that cause the chuckle..[/QUOTE]I live in BKK too (even if just since 2011 so I missed every good time- and I am married (I think Goatscrot has a GF or wife too).

So in this situation isn't so easy to have a nice stable of "regular". I have just a few and it would be nice to have the option to find a new girl fast and simple. The first few years of 2010 had still some good experiences at shops like Mango etc, but lately even oilys have gone really downhill.

Surely single guys will have it easier.

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2351171] I hope this was a one off experience, since I rather enjoy the idea of being with a non-pro girl.[/QUOTE]Why would you think she was a non-pro? The fact she was a starfish and played with her phone doesn't make her a non-pro. She took 3 K baht for a lousy 1 shot and still complained, that makes her feel like a real pro, but a bad one. She probably does it on a daily basis.

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2351256]We exchanged LINE info and one of them offered to take me on a trip to see Hua Hin; never been there so we'll see.[/QUOTE]In other terms, she offered you to pay for her holiday in Hua Hin. Don't forget you'll have to pay for every expenses (she might even try to make you pay for some barfines and some daily rates for herself also) and some of these girls are very annoying so try to know her a bit more before considering taking her anywhere for more than 1 day.

[QUOTE] I think I've only seen one person sitting outside of Kasalong that I'd give a go for a BJ. Otherwise, I'll pay the couple hundred Bahts extra at 7-Heaven to get an attractive, young girl to provide the service.[/QUOTE]For only a BJ, some girls from the two first bars are not bad in my experience. I would not consider going in the 7-heaven shop after reports of the gun related incident a few month ago.

My report is old, for Early December 2018. I am indian and I could get a girl for an hour for 2. 5 k THB. Two different girls on two different nights, same damage. I am visiting again next month and will see if the rates are still same. Both girls were early twenties.

[QUOTE=Catire;2351364]Goatscrot, seems to me that for a man in your shoes, these changes shouldn't particularly affect you much.

In fact, as a trusted "local" you should be able to put together a nice stable of "regular" real "semi-pros" - who will probably be fairly happy with 1. 5 k baht and perhaps taxi money. One would think you would get that price simply because you're local, trusted and reliable. And perhaps have even developed friendships with some of these girls.

So a man in your position shouldn't really even have to bother with Thermae (and I agree with your characterization of how the place has changed. You're completely correct) . So.

Is it just "the call of the 'strange' " LOL.

Not to disparage any Asians or Asian-Americans but the 3-3-3 or 4--4-4 line gets chuckles from one Thermae girl I know. And her clientele is 99% Asian / Japanese. She's also afraid of too large a tool, so perhaps it's the other 3's and 4's that cause the chuckle.

Can also confirm that Thai face / culture dictates that if she doesn't really want to go with you then she will jack up the price (which is her way of letting you know she's not really interested, but leaving you "face".

The girl I know regularly does this to Asian customers too. I then asked her, but what if he's willing to pay it? Her answer is, then she has to go with him.

I always pay the going rate with this girl I know. I don't think she'd ever give me a discount. She has serious bills to pay / lifestyle to uphold and that's why she's there LOL.

But. Our time is never rushed. And I get BBFS, the catch being that I have to get her off too. Ever since the first time, when she was multi-orgasmic with me, now I have to compromise (almost follow her demands LOL) on positions, technique, etc when I'm doing her "just right". but LOL All in all, not an unfair bargain.

P.S. One time I was standing with her outside and another girl walked up, and the "talk" was that she had done 6 short times that night LOLOLOL.

So dick size aside, what's really meaningful here is 3 K for 3 minutes. (or ok, even 13 minutes).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mayurp;2351443]My report is old, for Early December 2018. I am indian and I could get a girl for an hour for 2. 5 k THB. Two different girls on two different nights, same damage. I am visiting again next month and will see if the rates are still same. Both girls were early twenties.[/QUOTE]I agree. 2. 5 is obtainable.

But I'll say this. If they are going to clockwatch for that 2. 5 k, I'd rather say no clockwatching and you get 500 baht tip.

You won't get 2. 5 K with the girl I was referencing.

I think she is very very popular with the Asian customers. (specifically Japanese) She can come in at the end of the night. And will almost always land a customer. (at her price (s).

I'm a 6 month millionaire and if I want it, paying an extra $20 is nothing to me.

I'm old and go to Thailand because like it. So if I feel like banging a chick that I like, I don't care about Nickle and diming. And I rarely get refused. And the last time I did I showed the girl my bankroll, she grabbed me about half an hour later. So it goes, YMMV.

I wasn't particularly horny tonight but had a free night from the current regulars, went out for a walk in the very pleasant weather and thought I'd stop in Thermae around 9:30 PM for a quick soda and look around. The Asian Customer River was flowing pretty thick in the usual circle around the bar about that time. I made two cruises around in the River, got several big smiles and nice comments as I passed both sides and, yes, also a few averted gazes as I smiled at some of the better looking girls, said "Hello" in Thai and got zero response in terms of a smile back or a verbal reply. No biggie. I was mostly there for the soda and people watching.

I planted myself in the middle of the bar, occasionally sipping my soda and realized a well put together girl on the left side kept working it to get my attention. She was sending me a smile and a nod but seemed to be trying to be very careful about not attracting attention from the Asian Customer River cruisers while doing it. Like she stepped back a bit in her position in the left side line up and did her best to keep this little facial communication between the two of us as private as possible. It was kind of cute, actually. Of course, a couple of times I checked behind and around me to make sure it was actually me that she was "talking" to instead of some dude standing behind me. I hate it when I make a funny face and smile back to a girl across the room and it turns out she isn't "talking" to me at all. LOL.

She wasn't what I'd consider among the top 5% best lookers in the bar. But she certainly fit right in on the left side as among the better lookers who are usually on that side. She had all the Left Side Thermae basics in order; young, tallish, light skin, slim, well proportioned, good, even facial features, well quaffed, upscale looking compared to most FLs in the general area.

Ok, I was more or less on my way out anyway so after about 10 minutes of this I walk over to say Hi. Again in a slightly conspiratorial style but loud enough for me to hear, she says her name is Jane, that she really likes me and assures me she is very good and will take good care of me. I had decided a few months ago that I would not take another Left Side Thermae girl unless I had negotiated everything within an inch of all our lives before taking her. But for whatever reason, this time I just did not feel like getting into the whole condom condom condom discussion on such a pleasant, relaxed evening with the weather so comfortable and all (I can fuck only without a condom). So I just smiled back and said ok. She said, "3,000 baht". I said 2,000. She said, "2,500". I said ok. I was now committed to "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" regarding anything and everything that could possibly provide a finish for me. That is, either BBFS+CIP or a BBBJ+CIM. It was just a good night to see if there was anyone in Thermae or strolling along the street worth adding to my regulars stable I suppose.

Anyway, the whole time on the short walk to get a taxi and the several minutes we were in the taxi she kept saying how much she likes hansum man, only takes one customer per night, so happy she met me, she will be very good to me, blah, blah, blah.

In the room, she sat on my couch, opened her purse and asked me for the 2,500 baht now. Nope. I'll pay after, jing jing, really. "Oh, please, please, please, I need to know I will get money." Again, such a relaxed and pleasant evening. God, but confrontations of this kind are so boring in this country. I just wanted to "go with the flow", eat her pussy and "see what happens" tonight. Ok, sweetheart, here's 1,000 baht for now. I'll give you the rest after we boom boom or you give me a blowjob. "Ok, good. Thank you. I like you. No problem. I will be good for you."

After we each showered, separately at my request since she wanted us to shower together (I am just not into sex in the shower and would rather avoid setting the stage for it), she came out wrapped in a towel and right away started with the condom condom condom talk. I told her well, I can't boom boom with a condom but I have had a vasectomy (said it in Thai) and always get a medical check. She said, "Oh no, can only boom boom with condom." I said no problem (and really meant it), then you can give me a blowjob, ok? Big smile, "Yes, I can suck you no condom. But must wear condom for boom boom" Oh, I understand. And you will finish me inside your mouth? "Yes, no problem. I want to make you happy. You are a good man and hansum. I like you very much. Suck no condom ok, but must wear condom for boom boom." Yes, got it, really, I am really ok with that. Then we don't need to talk about condoms anymore, right?

So this is going to be an Oral Sex session. I'm good with that. And, who knows, we're still in "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" mode. It could lead to her changing her mind about demanding a condom for boom boom. I've heard that happens a lot out there these days.

It didn't happen this time. She seemed to absolutely love DATY. So many of them do. Faking it? Maybe. But again it was, "Ohhh, you good man. You very good. I like you too much. " Then, "I suck you now. I want to make you happy."

Yep, you guessed it. She was totally incapable of coordinating the mouth and hand movements in the same direction instead of the Taffy Pull move where the hand is moving in one direction and her mouth is going in another. Totally incapable of slowing the goddam hell down. Totally incapable of giving a blowjob really. Or, more likely, totally incapable of wanting to give me a blowjob. After about 6-7 seemingly interminable minutes of trying to show her how to move her hand and mouth in the SAME DIRECTION rather than in opposite directions, asking her as gently as possible to please for the love of god slow down, she pulls out an unwrapped condom from somewhere nearby and says with a smile, "You put this on we boom boom, ok?" No, honey, I told you I cannot boom boom with a condom. "We boom boom if you wear condom." No, if I wear a condom I cannot boom boom. "You no want to boom boom?" Oh, I love to boom boom. But I cannot boom boom wearing a condom. No feeling. Dai mai (cannot). "I have condom. We boom boom ok? I want."

End of session. She showers and gets dressed. She is still so chirpy and happy I am certain she thinks I am going to give her another 1,500 baht to go along with the 1,000 baht I have already given her. But I am not going to do that. Eventually, as I am slipping on my shoes to walk her down to the front door of my apartment building, she says with a smile, "You give me money now?" Oh no, honey, we did not boom boom and you did not give me a blowjob or take good care of me. I gave you 1,000 baht for what we did (I ate her pussy to what seemed like a pretty damn good finish. Wish I'd been her to feel that.), I will give you more only if we boom boom or you give me a real blowjob the way I told you to give me. Silence. It was such a relief not to hear the word "condom" again. I was tempted to give her a 100 baht tip just for that. But I fought off the temptation and won.

I walked her down to the ground level of my building and out to the soi. She asked if I would walk her to an area where there were taxis. Being a gentleman, of course I would and did. During the whole 5-6 minute walk, she kept asking if I would give her more money, 300 baht, for a taxi. Or more money in general. I said no problem, I would be happy to give you more money, 1,500 baht more money plus taxi money if we boom boom or if you give me a blowjob to a finish and take good care of me like you said you would. She wouldn't budge and neither did I. Off she went in a taxi. I suppose this might be one night she did have to return to Thermae to pick up a second customer. Oh well. Still, getting 1,000 baht just to have your pussy licked by a good, hansum man isn't a bad way to make a living. The weather really was perfect for a nice walk tonight.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2351566]I smiled at some of the better looking girls, said "Hello" in Thai [/QUOTE]For those who don't know how to say Hello, in Thai, you say "so what the crap". The real thing is something like sawat dee krap, but if you say so what the crap, they think you are saying Hello,.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2351569]For those who don't know how to say Hello, in Thai, you say "so what the crap". The real thing is something like sawat dee krap, but if you say so what the crap, they think you are saying Hello,.[/QUOTE]Haha. Very good. True. And if you want to say it in a more casual way like a local I suppose, it is "what the crap." Native Thai speakers often get lazy with that "so" part and just drop it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2351572]Haha. Very good. True. And if you want to say it in a more casual way like a local I suppose, it is "what the crap." Native Thai speakers often get lazy with that "so" part and just drop it.[/QUOTE]Mr. Tooms, I would have wagered a fair amount of money on your Thermae "go with flow" outcome and come out the winner.

One really nice girl I got from there, is an actual "freelancer" and I have only seen her in there that one time that we met. She's not a regular, as are 90% of the girls in there. (certainly on left side). For whatever reason she seemed to really like me and went out of her way to actually approach me / sidle up to me.

I told her could not function with condom, she said ok, but "finish outside'. Deal. That was a very very nice session. She was happy, I was happy. Last time I was in town I called her but she told me she was only free on Thursday night and we didn't touch base again.

The other one, that I have written about (the one quite popular with Japanese, and she's always on left side, in the back, ,was completely insistent on condom but for whatever reason I managed to make her feel comfortable with me and the real time Oraquik test did the trick (I tested us both). I showed her the outcomes, explained with Google on laptop, etc etc and only then did she agree. But that outcome was completely against all odds. BTW, she is really good at blowjobs, admittedly not something most Thai girls do well. I think her initial attitude was even a covered BJ. It was by some divine providence that I didn't just walk away from her, as I would have done with pretty much every girl given such attitude / views.

I'd never go with flow with any Thai working girl (if no condom is important to you) , your odds are less than 1 in 10. And as I've mentioned, I don't blame the girl (s) one bit, so I never pressure.

[QUOTE=Catire;2351637]the real time Oraquik test did the trick (I tested us both).[/QUOTE]Those tests aren't cheap. I think they are like $40 usd each now.

[QUOTE=Catire;2351637]Mr. Tooms, I would have wagered a fair amount of money on your Thermae "go with flow" outcome and come out the winner.[/QUOTE]Oh, Catire, I would have bet 5,000 baht from the moment she took my hand in the bar and said she was "very good, I will do good for you, I like you, I want to make you happy" that we were not going to fuck bareback and she probably would not or could not finish a proper BJ this night. LOL. But at that point there was zero money at risk for me, I had nothing better to do, whether or not we had sex was of no serious concern to me and I really did not feel in the mood to talk about much of anything with her. I was fine with taking her at her word that she was going to "make me happy" with, at that point, no money risk from my side of it if she didn't.

Even when it got to the moment in the room where she asked me to Pay Upfront and would not drop it and move on without Pay Upfront (a huge warning flag), a quick calculation in my mind determined that 1,000 baht to spend 30 minutes rolling around naked with this girl, eat her pussy, possibly fuck bareback or at least find out what the inside of her mouth felt like to my dick was a risk worth taking. Hell, I would have spent 1,000 baht bar hopping in 3-4 Nana Plaza bars on just my drinks and tips without buying 1 ladydrink. And I didn't feel like doing that on this night.

[QUOTE]One really nice girl I got from there, is an actual "freelancer" and I have only seen her in there that one time that we met. She's not a regular, as are 90% of the girls in there. (certainly on left side). For whatever reason she seemed to really like me and went out of her way to actually approach me / sidle up to me.

I told her could not function with condom, she said ok, but "finish outside'. Deal. That was a very very nice session. She was happy, I was happy. Last time I was in town I called her but she told me she was only free on Thursday night and we didn't touch base again.

The other one, that I have written about (the one quite popular with Japanese, and she's always on left side, in the back, ,was completely insistent on condom but for whatever reason I managed to make her feel comfortable with me and the real time Oraquik test did the trick (I tested us both). I showed her the outcomes, explained with Google on laptop, etc etc and only then did she agree. But that outcome was completely against all odds. BTW, she is really good at blowjobs, admittedly not something most Thai girls do well. I think her initial attitude was even a covered BJ. It was by some divine providence that I didn't just walk away from her, as I would have done with pretty much every girl given such attitude / views.

I'd never go with flow with any Thai working girl (if no condom is important to you) , your odds are less than 1 in 10. And as I've mentioned, I don't blame the girl (s) one bit, so I never pressure.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I am never happy with pulling out. I'd rather save that shot for the next girl, even the next night.

And all that stuff with the HIV test was definitely not what I was in the mood for last night. I wasn't even in the mood to negotiate any behavior or particular service at all. I was fine with letting her do all the "negotiation", fine with taking her at her word that she was very good, was going to be very good to me and wanted to make me happy. LOL. My position in the bar and in my room was, fine, if that happens I will give you 2,500 baht. The only reason I talked about the money upfront in the bar was because she brought it up. If she had also brought up anything about requiring a condom, won't do this or that, can't do this or that etc I would have told her what my requirements or needs are. But she didn't.

Bare in mind, this was a very relaxed, near zero event to me in terms of confrontation, money risk, the gamble I was taking, whatever. Not getting what I would have paid 2,500 baht for but only getting what I might have agreed to pay 1,000 baht for with that girl even if we'd negotiated hard for an hour in the bar to get to that compromise was also fine with me. I had nothing better to do with my time and 1,000 baht last night anyway.

There was something else that happened in Thermae last night that I did not mention in my main report. On the first of those two Asian Customer River cruises I took around the bar, I was seen and nabbed by a cute girl in the back of the room that I DID negotiate everything I wanted with upfront in the bar a few months ago. At that time it was No and No to either one of my two options. So I did not take her. I had completely forgotten about her and for a moment last night wasn't sure why she recognized me until she reminded me we'd met there and talked a while back.

But last night she pulled me close and said "I am ok to do whatever you want now." Unfortunately for her I wasn't inspired to take her last night so I said, "Great. Maybe next time." I had just spent a couple of days with a girl very similar to her type and I wasn't looking for more of the same for now. LOL. So, the concept that whatever I did with a girl here might not go well for me tonight but, no big deal, there is always the next time was also in my mind and made "going with the flow to see what happens in the room" even less of a risk and gamble. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the girl I took last night and walked her out of my apartment with only 1,000 baht instead of 2,500 baht because she did not deliver on her sales pitch flags me over again some night and says, "Yes to whatever you want" at that time. It has turned out that way many times in many different venues. Even in Thermae.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2351566]
I walked her down to the ground level of my building and out to the soi. She asked if I would walk her to an area where there were taxis. Being a gentleman, of course I would and did. During the whole 5-6 minute walk, she kept asking if I would give her more money, 300 baht, for a taxi. Or more money in general. I said no problem, I would be happy to give you more money, 1,500 baht more money plus taxi money if we boom boom or if you give me a blowjob to a finish and take good care of me like you said you would. She wouldn't budge and neither did I. Off she went in a taxi. I suppose this might be one night she did have to return to Thermae to pick up a second customer. Oh well. Still, getting 1,000 baht just to have your pussy licked by a good, hansum man isn't a bad way to make a living. The weather really was perfect for a nice walk tonight.[/QUOTE]You did the right thing.

Wondering, how much would you have paid after, if not paid 1 k already?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2351709]

Yeah, I am never happy with pulling out. I'd rather save that shot for the next girl, even the next night.

[/QUOTE]That's a part of the bargain I have to accept and I do so willingly. Almost any girl that will agree to bareback will only do so if one pulls out.

Which makes perfect sense, considering the possibility of pregnancy (yes, yes I know it's hardly foolproof, etc) and Thai views on abortion (Buddhism will not allow it). Also makes sense from a health standpoint, as likelihood of catching something (particularly as the "receiver") ratchets up with ejaculation inside.

Of course if you're snipped, that changes the calculus and would probably change the calculus for her also, but I think it would be difficult for her to trust you on this meeting for the first time, etc.

one can also fund the purchase of the "morning after" pill, which I believe is widely available in almost every pharmacy, though I'm not sure the girls use these as much as they should.

Hi all,

Lurker here, thought it was time for report.

I was in BKK last month and will be back again soon for business.

First stop was Snow White Massage on Soi 26. I've been there before, pretty average looking girls, mostly mids 30's and up. I choose a younger looking girl, don't remember her name sorry, and thought she was cute until unfortunately I saw she had braces. I paid for the BJ and Massage one hour service. She took me upstairs, showered me and proceeded to give me an amazing BBBJ, basically one hour of amazing oral work, she was even blowing my mind by sucking my toes and feet while wanking me, really really. Snow White may not have the best looking girls, but they are amazing at what they do.

I also went to Kasalong Blow Job bar, can't remember her name, MILF with a nice looking body, gave me a good BBBJ, a bit too much teeth but still CIM and was pretty damn good, worth the 800 or 900 plus 300 tip Baht. Good and very friendly service.

I also went to Paradise Massage on Soi 22, I choose the 2 girls, blowjob massage. I choose one cute looking younger girl and then the mamasan kinda forced the 2nd one on me, wasn't a great service to be honest. Girls seemed bored and not great at their job. Both girls pretty average looking, and average service, would not repeat.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2351788]You did the right thing.

Wondering, how much would you have paid after, if not paid 1 k already?[/QUOTE]Good question. No doubt, I would have given her 1,000 baht for the time we were together and what we did. If she had been more convincing about following my blissfully simple instructions and trying to give me a competent BJ instead of giving me the niggling impression she was just stalling and goofing around in hopes that I would suddenly become capable of slipping on the open package condom she had hidden nearby somewhere and proceed with a covered FS, I probably would have given her the entire 2,500 baht for her effort even if she still proved to be incapable of doing it competently.

Bottom line, we both were naked and rubbing around on each other, I had my tongue inside and all around her pussy, she had my dick in her mouth, licking my balls, etc. We were together for at least 30 minutes. 1,000 baht. And the door isn't totally closed for her to change her mind the next time she sees me strolling through Thermae. But, if that time ever comes, I will be covering every detail with her in Thermae and assuring her I will not pay her anything at all if she isn't telling me the truth about changing her mind. Nothing. No joke, sweetheart. No 1,000 baht for a repeat of what we did last night.

[QUOTE=Catire;2351790]That's a part of the bargain I have to accept and I do so willingly. [b]Almost any girl that will agree to bareback will only do so if one pulls out.[/b]

Which makes perfect sense, considering the possibility of pregnancy (yes, yes I know it's hardly foolproof, etc) and Thai views on abortion (Buddhism will not allow it). Also makes sense from a health standpoint, as likelihood of catching something (particularly as the "receiver") ratchets up with ejaculation inside.

Of course if you're snipped, that changes the calculus and would probably change the calculus for her also, but I think it would be difficult for her to trust you on this meeting for the first time, etc.

one can also fund the purchase of the "morning after" pill, which I believe is widely available in almost every pharmacy, though I'm not sure the girls use these as much as they should.[/QUOTE](bold highlight is mine).

I can't say that has been my experience. I can probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of times in my life, in Thailand and elsewhere, a girl who agreed to bareback with me said before the deed that I must pull out and not cum inside her. And I would include the times one said afterwards she thought I was going to pull out instead of cum inside her. I have had it said to me during negotiations well before we would have been in the room together, also maybe less than 4-5 times in my life. But I guess I am not counting those girls as "agreeing" to go bareback with me really. Just talking about it at that stage.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2351810](bold highlight is mine).

I can't say that has been my experience. I can probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of times in my life, in Thailand and elsewhere, a girl who agreed to bareback with me said before the deed that I must pull out and not cum inside her. And I would include the times one said afterwards she thought I was going to pull out instead of cum inside her. I have had it said to me during negotiations well before we would have been in the room together, also maybe less than 4-5 times in my life. But I guess I am not counting those girls as "agreeing" to go bareback with me really. Just talking about it at that stage.[/QUOTE]In my case almost all girls agreeing to bareback (I don't really have a very big sample LOL because generally happy with existing girls especially if BBFS), expect me to pull out (reducing chance of pregnancy), so clearly not having the vasecotomy is a critical factor, which I plan to rectify soon. Girls may well have birth control but it is never as reliable as vasectomy.

Thai girls are different to Farangs, because they take Birth control quite unreliably and also do not generally get abortions. So what happens with Farang girls is not very relevant. We all know Thai girls with babies that claimed they were using birth control.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2351569]For those who don't know how to say Hello, in Thai, you say "so what the crap". The real thing is something like sawat dee krap, but if you say so what the crap, they think you are saying Hello,.[/QUOTE]Yeh they get very used Farangs that cannot even pronounce Sawat Dee Khup. Its actually far closer if you say "What Dee Cup?" "Crap" does just not cut it and sounds quite silly.

Can be "Cup" or Crup but Crap is clearly bad pronunciation to the Thai listener, even if not to you. Subtle vowel changes are unnoticed in English, but destroy Thai words.

Farangs can't even pronounce Pattaya or Phuket.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2351820]Farangs can't even pronounce Pattaya or Phuket.[/QUOTE]Pa Thai ya and Poo kit, yes?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2351820]Yeh they get very used Farangs that cannot even pronounce Sawat Dee Khup. Its actually far closer if you say "What Dee Cup?" "Crap" does just not cut it and sounds quite silly.

Can be "Cup" or Crup but Crap is clearly bad pronunciation to the Thai listener, even if not to you. Subtle vowel changes are unnoticed in English, but destroy Thai words.

Farangs can't even pronounce Pattaya or Phuket.[/QUOTE]Who the hell ever says "what dee cup" in English? "What the crap" is actually something people say in English and it works. The entire point is to use a phrase that people can remember. It may sound closer to the real term saying what dee cup, but that's not something someone easily identifies with. It's also not as funny to say and get away with. I often get a good laugh when I say what the crap and they think I am saying hello. Cheap humor.

I notice that when Thais who can speak English write the phrase, they put Sawat (or Sawas sometimes) dee krub. Krub? Doesn't sound that way to me though when they say it. Sometimes they put krap.

Also, to say "thank you" in Chinese, you can say "shit shit" quickly without annunciating.

[QUOTE=Catire;2351364]Goatscrot, seems to me that for a man in your shoes, these changes shouldn't particularly affect you much.

In fact, as a trusted "local" you should be able to put together a nice stable of "regular" real "semi-pros" - who will probably be fairly happy with 1. 5 k baht and perhaps taxi money. One would think you would get that price simply because you're local, trusted and reliable. And perhaps have even developed friendships with some of these girls.

So a man in your position shouldn't really even have to bother with Thermae (and I agree with your characterization of how the place has changed. You're completely correct) . So.

Is it just "the call of the 'strange' " LOL.

Not to disparage any Asians or Asian-Americans but the 3-3-3 or 4--4-4 line gets chuckles from one Thermae girl I know. And her clientele is 99% Asian / Japanese. She's also afraid of too large a tool, so perhaps it's the other 3's and 4's that cause the chuckle.

Can also confirm that Thai face / culture dictates that if she doesn't really want to go with you then she will jack up the price (which is her way of letting you know she's not really interested, but leaving you "face".

The girl I know regularly does this to Asian customers too. I then asked her, but what if he's willing to pay it? Her answer is, then she has to go with him.

I always pay the going rate with this girl I know. I don't think she'd ever give me a discount. She has serious bills to pay / lifestyle to uphold and that's why she's there LOL.

But. Our time is never rushed. And I get BBFS, the catch being that I have to get her off too. Ever since the first time, when she was multi-orgasmic with me, now I have to compromise (almost follow her demands LOL) on positions, technique, etc when I'm doing her "just right". but LOL All in all, not an unfair bargain.

P.S. One time I was standing with her outside and another girl walked up, and the "talk" was that she had done 6 short times that night LOLOLOL.

So dick size aside, what's really meaningful here is 3 K for 3 minutes. (or ok, even 13 minutes).[/QUOTE]Catire, Some dudes roll that way. I never have. When I first came to BKK and gals were really plentiful, I would rarely repeat. If I did repeat, it would be at least couple of months if not a few later. I could have a "regular" back home. I never saw the point of it.

I never had the want to "get to know" the P4 P gals I was doing. In 20 years I have never taken the contact information from any of the working gals I've banged. I want to choose, head to the room, have a PSE / GFE, shower, and be on my way. Like riding a roller coaster, "Gee, that was fun; let's go on a different ride. " The "regulars" I've had were oily gals and I would only do each of then once every 6 weeks to two months and that was only because the talent level started to slip. Some of my friends have been the stable of gals types. One guy used to refer to them as his "rotation." Even he eventually saw that dwindle and a few years back said he saw his rotation of many turn into a rotation of 1 and then a rotation of none.

Most of the time after a ST at the PB hotel back in the day, I'd pop up right after the deed (who wants to cuddle, you have to do that crap back home), hit the shower quickly before the gal, give her money, and be on my way, and she could shower and leave at her leisure. Jeez, many times we never even exchanged names and that was fine by me.

In addition, I have a live-in GF of over a decade that I am very fond of and whom I get along with amazingly well, so I don't invest time or a lot of effort in other gals. We don't keep tight reins on each other in the least, but don't think she'd like me having a mia-noi or even a regular.

The online thing takes a lot of time. I really don't have the temperament or patience for it. I know guys that spend hours and hours every week on Thai-Friendly and other sites. I honestly have better things to do with my time.

I've said it a million time on here. The beauty of Thailand was gals were cheap, plentiful, and easy. Minimal effort was required. Bangkok had a wonderful seediness and edge to it. It was rough and unpolished, not so developed. It was not a town full of fancy shopping malls. There was one Starbucks at Amarin Plaza. There were guys on fat expat packages, farang teachers here to bang gals and make a bit of scratch, a few of us early semi-retired dudes, a few random Japanese (most were confined to Soi Thaniya) and pretty much all of us doing chicks (as opposed to today where the majority of young western expats don't engage in P4P). You walked in a venue, walked down Sukhumvit after 9 pm, and gals would grab and proposition you. And it cost peanuts. Eating at the best restaurants in town cost about 25 USD. No one worried about staying long term as visas were easy. Always a lot of options. As long as you did not hurt anyone and did not get involved in drugs, you could stay and have a pretty easy time of it. You could live a five star life on a three star budget and that was the entire point of being here. It was a close to paradise as you could get. It is why we chose Thailand over other places. Sadly, all of that is over.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2351566]She said, "3,000 baht". I said 2,000. She said, "2,500". I said ok........................ She said, "Oh no, can only boom boom with condom." I said no problem (and really meant it)....... "Yes, I can suck you no condom. But must wear condom for boom boom" Oh, I understand..............Suck no condom ok, but must wear condom for boom boom." Yes, got it, really, I am really ok with that............ "You put this on we boom boom, ok?" No, honey, I told you I cannot boom boom with a condom. "We boom boom if you wear condom." No, if I wear a condom I cannot boom boom. ............. But I cannot boom boom wearing a condom. No feeling. Dai mai (cannot). .................... "You give me money now?" Oh no, honey, we did not boom boom ....... I gave you 1,000 baht for what we did.................[/QUOTE]The aforementioned speaks for itself.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2351897]Who the hell ever says "what dee cup" in English? [/QUOTE]You dared to challenge Syzygies?

He has more than 12000 posts and he knows.

What are you thinking Smoothy?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2351566]I wasn't particularly horny tonight but had a free night from the current regulars, went out for a walk in the very pleasant weather and thought I'd stop in Thermae around 9:30 PM for a quick soda and look around. The Asian Customer River was flowing pretty thick in the usual circle around the bar about that time. I made two cruises around in the River, got several big smiles and nice comments as I passed both sides and, yes, also a few averted gazes as I smiled at some of the better looking girls, said "Hello" in Thai and got zero response in terms of a smile back or a verbal reply. No biggie. I was mostly there for the soda and people watching.

I planted myself in the middle of the bar, occasionally sipping my soda and realized a well put together girl on the left side kept working it to get my attention. She was sending me a smile and a nod but seemed to be trying to be very careful about not attracting attention from the Asian Customer River cruisers while doing it. Like she stepped back a bit in her position in the left side line up and did her best to keep this little facial communication between the two of us as private as possible. It was kind of cute, actually. Of course, a couple of times I checked behind and around me to make sure it was actually me that she was "talking" to instead of some dude standing behind me. I hate it when I make a funny face and smile back to a girl across the room and it turns out she isn't "talking" to me at all. LOL.

She wasn't what I'd consider among the top 5% best lookers in the bar. But she certainly fit right in on the left side as among the better lookers who are usually on that side. She had all the Left Side Thermae basics in order; young, tallish, light skin, slim, well proportioned, good, even facial features, well quaffed, upscale looking compared to most FLs in the general area.

Ok, I was more or less on my way out anyway so after about 10 minutes of this I walk over to say Hi. Again in a slightly conspiratorial style but loud enough for me to hear, she says her name is Jane, that she really likes me and assures me she is very good and will take good care of me. I had decided a few months ago that I would not take another Left Side Thermae girl unless I had negotiated everything within an inch of all our lives before taking her. But for whatever reason, this time I just did not feel like getting into the whole condom condom condom discussion on such a pleasant, relaxed evening with the weather so comfortable and all (I can fuck only without a condom). So I just smiled back and said ok. She said, "3,000 baht". I said 2,000. She said, "2,500". I said ok. I was now committed to "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" regarding anything and everything that could possibly provide a finish for me. That is, either BBFS+CIP or a BBBJ+CIM. It was just a good night to see if there was anyone in Thermae or strolling along the street worth adding to my regulars stable I suppose.

Anyway, the whole time on the short walk to get a taxi and the several minutes we were in the taxi she kept saying how much she likes hansum man, only takes one customer per night, so happy she met me, she will be very good to me, blah, blah, blah.

In the room, she sat on my couch, opened her purse and asked me for the 2,500 baht now. Nope. I'll pay after, jing jing, really. "Oh, please, please, please, I need to know I will get money." Again, such a relaxed and pleasant evening. God, but confrontations of this kind are so boring in this country. I just wanted to "go with the flow", eat her pussy and "see what happens" tonight. Ok, sweetheart, here's 1,000 baht for now. I'll give you the rest after we boom boom or you give me a blowjob. "Ok, good. Thank you. I like you. No problem. I will be good for you."

After we each showered, separately at my request since she wanted us to shower together (I am just not into sex in the shower and would rather avoid setting the stage for it), she came out wrapped in a towel and right away started with the condom condom condom talk. I told her well, I can't boom boom with a condom but I have had a vasectomy (said it in Thai) and always get a medical check. She said, "Oh no, can only boom boom with condom." I said no problem (and really meant it), then you can give me a blowjob, ok? Big smile, "Yes, I can suck you no condom. But must wear condom for boom boom" Oh, I understand. And you will finish me inside your mouth? "Yes, no problem. I want to make you happy. You are a good man and hansum. I like you very much. Suck no condom ok, but must wear condom for boom boom." Yes, got it, really, I am really ok with that. Then we don't need to talk about condoms anymore, right?

So this is going to be an Oral Sex session. I'm good with that. And, who knows, we're still in "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" mode. It could lead to her changing her mind about demanding a condom for boom boom. I've heard that happens a lot out there these days.

It didn't happen this time. She seemed to absolutely love DATY. So many of them do. Faking it? Maybe. But again it was, "Ohhh, you good man. You very good. I like you too much. " Then, "I suck you now. I want to make you happy."

Yep, you guessed it. She was totally incapable of coordinating the mouth and hand movements in the same direction instead of the Taffy Pull move where the hand is moving in one direction and her mouth is going in another. Totally incapable of slowing the goddam hell down. Totally incapable of giving a blowjob really. Or, more likely, totally incapable of wanting to give me a blowjob. After about 6-7 seemingly interminable minutes of trying to show her how to move her hand and mouth in the SAME DIRECTION rather than in opposite directions, asking her as gently as possible to please for the love of god slow down, she pulls out an unwrapped condom from somewhere nearby and says with a smile, "You put this on we boom boom, ok?" No, honey, I told you I cannot boom boom with a condom. "We boom boom if you wear condom." No, if I wear a condom I cannot boom boom. "You no want to boom boom?" Oh, I love to boom boom. But I cannot boom boom wearing a condom. No feeling. Dai mai (cannot). "I have condom. We boom boom ok? I want."

End of session. She showers and gets dressed. She is still so chirpy and happy I am certain she thinks I am going to give her another 1,500 baht to go along with the 1,000 baht I have already given her. But I am not going to do that. Eventually, as I am slipping on my shoes to walk her down to the front door of my apartment building, she says with a smile, "You give me money now?" Oh no, honey, we did not boom boom and you did not give me a blowjob or take good care of me. I gave you 1,000 baht for what we did (I ate her pussy to what seemed like a pretty damn good finish. Wish I'd been her to feel that.), I will give you more only if we boom boom or you give me a real blowjob the way I told you to give me. Silence. It was such a relief not to hear the word "condom" again. I was tempted to give her a 100 baht tip just for that. But I fought off the temptation and won.

I walked her down to the ground level of my building and out to the soi. She asked if I would walk her to an area where there were taxis. Being a gentleman, of course I would and did. During the whole 5-6 minute walk, she kept asking if I would give her more money, 300 baht, for a taxi. Or more money in general. I said no problem, I would be happy to give you more money, 1,500 baht more money plus taxi money if we boom boom or if you give me a blowjob to a finish and take good care of me like you said you would. She wouldn't budge and neither did I. Off she went in a taxi. I suppose this might be one night she did have to return to Thermae to pick up a second customer. Oh well. Still, getting 1,000 baht just to have your pussy licked by a good, hansum man isn't a bad way to make a living. The weather really was perfect for a nice walk tonight.[/QUOTE]Kudos to you for sticking to your guns. If more punters did, we'd all have a much better time of it. Too many dudes would just pay her the 2500 and she'd continue to hock that poor skill set.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2352048]Kudos to you for sticking to your guns. If more punters did, we'd all have a much better time of it. Too many dudes would just pay her the 2500 and she'd continue to hock that poor skill set.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I believe most punters she has encountered must have been fine with fully covered FS and nothing more. To each his own. And for them, I suppose they wouldn't see anything "poor" about her skill set. If I had been fine with covered FS, I might never have noticed or taken it to a point where her poor skill set was an issue.

But I felt it necessary to start sticking to my guns on this bit where the girl pitches herself with things like, "I am very good, I will be good for you, I will make you happy, agree to pay me 2,500 baht and I will show you." LOL. Great! Nothing more needs to be said, then, right? Count me in for that.

Why is it now on me or any other punter for whom what happens in the room really does matter to negotiate further, to parse every word and syllable, to list, review, compare and contrast every act and move in detail just to make sure her idea of "happy" and "good for you" isn't miles away from what I am sure she hopes I will assume she means? Sure, if she had then said in the bar, "I mean I am good, will be good for you and will make you happy as long as you are happy wearing a condom for fucking and don't want me to do anything else," I would not have agreed to those terms. And I am guessing she knows all but the lowest demand customers would not agree to those terms. But she didn't say that.

Of course, this particular method of sticking to my guns in order to either be "made happy" in the room for the agreed upon amount of money or I will only pay a notably reduced amount for what I did get works best in a FL situation like Thermae. It isn't going to work that well if at all in a venue where it is Pay Upfront. It isn't going to work that well where you have already laid out an 800-1,000+ baht barfine and bought 800 baht worth of ladydrinks for a girl. If I give a girl in a situation like that another 1,000 baht for the same thing I gave the Thermae girl 1,000 baht, now I am out almost 3,000 baht if not more just to DATY and feel the inside of her mouth with my dick for 5 minutes. Not a good plan or a risk worth taking, imo. lol.

Before I commit to taking a girl from a place like that I would generally have to negotiate more details upfront and stick to my guns about not paying her fee in full if she doesn't deliver. Wish I didn't have to do it that way. But these days I do.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2351566]I just did not feel like getting into the whole condom condom condom discussion on such a pleasant, relaxed evening with the weather so comfortable and all (I can fuck only without a condom). So I just smiled back and said ok. She said, "3,000 baht". I said 2,000. She said, "2,500". I said ok.

In the room, she sat on my couch, opened her purse and asked me for the 2,500 baht now. Nope. I'll pay after, jing jing, really.

Big smile, "Yes, I can suck you no condom. But must wear condom for boom boom" Oh, I understand. And you will finish me inside your mouth? "Yes, no problem. I want to make you happy. You are a good man and hansum. I like you very much. Suck no condom ok, but must wear condom for boom boom." Yes, got it, really, I am really ok with that. Then we don't need to talk about condoms anymore, right?
[/QUOTE]Props to you for not giving her all the money in advance. That never works out well.

On the other hand, BBFS is NOT a standard service. IMHO, pressuring a young woman to risk her health (and possibly life) for sake of a few minutes of your pleasure is just plain wrong. If you agree to it in advance, I guess that's fine, but if you don't, you can't expect it. As for the BBBJ, she seems like she had the will, but no skills. She did give you a BBBJ, crappy as it was, and she did not try to back out of the deal, you're the one who finished the session after she refused BBFS.

Personally, I think 1000 baht is more than enough for what you received. However, if you agreed on 2500 baht, I think she acted in good faith (albeit was not a good performer), you broke the deal and stiffed her. The experience will certainly encourage her to insist on money in advance from other punters.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2352079]Props to you for not giving her all the money in advance. That never works out well.

On the other hand, BBFS is NOT a standard service. IMHO, pressuring a young woman to risk her health (and possibly life) for sake of a few minutes of your pleasure is just plain wrong. If you agree to it in advance, I guess that's fine, but if you don't, you can't expect it. As for the BBBJ, she seems like she had the will, but no skills. She did give you a BBBJ, crappy as it was, and she did not try to back out of the deal, you're the one who finished the session after she refused BBFS.

Personally, I think 1000 baht is more than enough for what you received. However, if you agreed on 2500 baht, I think she acted in good faith (albeit was not a good performer), you broke the deal and stiffed her. The experience will certainly encourage her to insist on money in advance from other punters.[/QUOTE] Not surprisingly, I disagree that I broke the deal and stiffed her. In terms of sexual satisfaction, she broke the deal with me. She said she would make me happy for 2,500 baht without asking what that meant to me. As far as I could tell anything and everything I wanted, up to me, was on the menu. She had plenty of time to say otherwise before we left the bar, outside the bar and on the taxi ride to my room. I was willing to forego FS entirely without pressuring her by accepting a conventional option, BBBJ+CIM, which she agreed to do, quite enthusiastically I might add.

Is BBBJ+CIM considered standard service among Thai hookers? I would say the majority of Thai hookers I have met in go-go bars, in the clubs, on the street, etc include BBBJ+CIM on their menu. And, once agreed upon, I submit only half-assed pretending to give a BJ for 6-7 minutes, ignoring or refusing to adjust to some simple motor skill moves to accommodate what works for me and clearly trying to change the subject every other minute would not be defined by most as "good faith" or keeping her side of the deal.

Aside from that particular incident, the girls tell me punters are constantly asking them for BBFS. I have no doubt the girl I took from Thermae has been hit up for it many, many times. I would therefore submit that as long as the girls know that is a service much desired and likely to be asked for by their customers who want to be "made happy", it is 100% on them to start addressing it before or during their sales pitch or else they are playing games with the issue and not presenting their offer to "make you happy" in good faith.

In a world where they know one of if not the most desired and asked for services among their customers is BBFS, Thai hookers who pitch their wares with stuff like, "I will make you happy, no problem, anything, everything, up to you, don't worry", and just leave it at that without clarification and then do NOT offer a means to provide BBFS in the room are not acting in good faith. They are scammers.

I have had several girls say, "Everything, except BUTT SEX!" lol. Good for them. It proves they really do know how to include or exclude anything from their "Everything" sales pitch if it really does matter to them. If they don't also say, "Oh, and must wear condom for boom boom", then I am going to assume those girls aren't all that concerned about it. At the very least, I will conclude they want me to assume the most often requested service (by their own testimony), BBFS, is on the menu.

Let those scammers ask for all the money upfront. Only the suckers will comply and those suckers will get educated pretty fast. The rest of us will either try to help the little lady feel a bit better about proceeding by paying a much smaller amount upfront or (the really smart ones) will refuse to pay them anything at all and boot them out with nothing. Not the worst possible outcome for all concerned, imo.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2351820]Yeh they get very used Farangs that cannot even pronounce Sawat Dee Khup. Its actually far closer if you say "What Dee Cup?" "Crap" does just not cut it and sounds quite silly.

Can be "Cup" or Crup but Crap is clearly bad pronunciation to the Thai listener, even if not to you. Subtle vowel changes are unnoticed in English, but destroy Thai words.

Farangs can't even pronounce Pattaya or Phuket.[/QUOTE]Is it news that foreigners have an accent when saying Thai words and that Thais have an accent when saying foreign words? What's the world coming to? 😂😂😂

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2352042]You dared to challenge Syzygies?

He has more than 12000 posts and he knows.

What are you thinking Smoothy?[/QUOTE]People say what D cup to me all the time!

Gents,

TLDR; Farangs not that high in the clientele chain; one action of another could cause disagreeable effects for others; hate barfines; Thermae 2.5 k average price; you should be able to find someone in Bangkok.

Here are some insights based on my recent discussions with some working girls here in Bangkok. Some of you who are pros in the city may agree and are probably aware already; some of you may have differing opinions. This is just my personal observation and Bangkok report based on my recent time here in the city.

Based on my impression from what I gather, the pecking order for how the Thai girls would prefer the ethnicity of their foreign clients are (in order): Japanese, Korean, Westerners (farangs), Chinese / Arabs / Indians; Westerners are unfortunately just slightly better than the Chinese. Strange; considering the majority of tourists here are the Chinese, but I guess these Thai girls still don't see them in good of a light as you would think. And I'm not certain whether or not the Arabs / Indians would fall below or above the Chinese; their issue seems be related to lack of personal hygiene.

Unfortunately, any past negative encounters caused by a certain race of clients causes future repercussions and possible negative assessments for future clients from whatever ethnicity that caused the negative experiences. Just as we (mongerers) have an avenue to 'gossip' online and on these forums, these Thai girls also like to gossip and relay feedback to their friends about their experiences with different types of clients. I hate to get myself stereotyped for possibly being a potentially bad client based on a previously bad experience that someone else (who happens to be of the same ethnicity) has caused on a girl; and now her friends' friends' friends might have the same prejudice. But this is the reality here it would seem; getting prejudged based on other experiences unrelated to you. And something that I learned here in Bangkok is that if the girl quotes you anything more than 3 k, then most likely she is not that interested in going with you.

I've always approached this hobby with a 'caveat emptor'-like mentality. Although I can't control mutual chemistry or a girl's performance (and have encountered several bad experiences in the past in different parts of the world), some things that I can control are my personal attitude and respect towards the girl and choosing someone that physically attracts me. By only choosing attractive girls, I know that I've limited my potential to find more good performers. What I mean is it's in the same way that someone using Tinder swipes right to all photos; they've increased their odds for mutual connection. Whereas I would only swipe right to only girls that I actually find attractive; my odds become less. In the same way with connecting with pros, I'd like to have both attractiveness and good performance. Though based on the great number of pros working in Bangkok, there's definitely potential to find those hidden gems that provide both attractiveness and good performance. So far in Bangkok, I've only had a couple bad experiences. But for those bad experiences, I think I was able to leave a neutral to positive impression for the girl (even though my experience wasn't all that great). There's only so much I can control.

Something that I'm not too fond of here is this gogo barfine system; seems rather pimp-ish to me. I'm coming from the German FKK system of things. And with the FKK way of things, paying an entrance fee to use a facility (sauna, pool, etc.) seems more reasonable. Whereas here, I'm paying some fee that seems ridiculous (at least I feel like it's ridiculous). Maybe if by paying the barfine also meant free alcoholic beverages or something, then I'd probably be okay with it.

Another visit to Thermae gave me a chance to casually talk with some of the girls. Anytime a girl approached me, I would say that I was married and was only there to drink and observe. This allowed some time to have some simple conversations with the girls. 2 k-3 k is what I was being quoted by the girls I talked with and I tried to hit all areas of the room to determine if there were any great pricing gaps. I don't know if getting one of these girls (initially) under 2 k is possible. I think you would have to establish some kind of long-term rapport with the girl and become her regular before that's possible. From what I've seen on the 'Sideline'Finfin' sites, the girls are offering services (to their Thai natives) at an average of 1. 5 k. Also the clientele at Thermae is definitely close to 98 percent Asian. If you're a Farang, I would say that going to Thermae would make you definitely stand out in the crowd and you may be considered lower in the pecking order as an ideal client.

But overall and based on the great number of pros working in Bangkok, there's definitely potential to find those hidden gems here in the city that should meet your expectations.

TC.