Medellin Reports

It was my favorite spot also. I always heard it was the junior team to the high-end casa (Can't think of the name) that was up the hill several blocks from the Mansion way back 15 years ago. Like the training casa for it. I remember my first year visiting MDE. A chica who was in Abydos. She used to play basketball. So she was taller and fit. What a body. And so sweet. I always wanted to see her again. Stupid me for not getting her number (that was back in the day when they had flip phones in Colombia and you texted the chicas). Energy was a great casa then also. Not sure of the affiliation.

I also remember Abydos was close to Miel why Canela. Good place to go for cheap pussy, especially if you wants anal. After sex at Abydos, I'd always walk down the street to Mario's to eat ribs. Good times.

[QUOTE=Combo;2558603]Excellent casa. Had some memorable sessions there. Didn't they have some affiliation or common ownership with Energy?[/QUOTE]

The number of new cases is only meaningful in relation to the actual number of tests and of course hospitalizations which are the bottom line and less likely in young people. Everything seems to vary from City to City and from week to week.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2558533]Yeah, it depends on the number of Covid cases and demonstrations. If the demonstrations keep up and there is pressure to bend on Covid, the government might let up. But the best measure is the number of cases, and that has not gone down. Every day, Colombia is still at 17,000 cases give or take, and unless there is political pressure, my guess, and it is just a guess, is the government does not let up.

I also do not think the number of cases goes down anytime soon. Lockdowns do not work (and in fact are harmful. Even the NYT had a blurb today on how rare transmission is outside) and the Brazil variant is in Colombia, and it does not seem to be letting up in Brazil. In fact, the Brazil variant hits young people.

On top of that, Colombia is doing a shitty job with vaccinations. The vaccines are way more prevalent now (states in the USA are turning them down now), so maybe, maybe Colombia will start to get more, but that is the one ray of hope in a bleak picture IMO.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChicagoMan;2558528]I was walking down 43 A yesterday at 7 pm and had two young dudes walking the opposite direction suddenly pull out a gun, put it to my face, and rob me of my iphone, wallet, and headphones. I just kept my head down and handed everything over and they took off.

The police came to my airbnb and were very ashamed because when looking at the map. It was right next to the poblano police station. Maybe 200 meters from Parque poblano. Cops said they've never seen a time where robbers were so brazen.

Keep your head on a swivel! Or I guess don't walk alone at night. Obvio.

P.S. - anyone know where I can buy a cheap Iphone?[/QUOTE]Sorry for your loss but you did right and are unharmed. I know Chicago so do you and that's why you did as you did. This place has good selection of iPhones and you pick the quality but you have to be back home I'm sure. You can check though but for now buy a cheap Chinese phone in Medellin. Back Market is the place. I've bought 2 1st gen SE's and am very happy. About $100 each a couple months ago, unlocked like new.

[QUOTE=ChicagoMan;2558528]I was walking down 43 A yesterday at 7 pm and had two young dudes walking the opposite direction suddenly pull out a gun, put it to my face, and rob me of my iphone, wallet, and headphones. I just kept my head down and handed everything over and they took off.

The police came to my airbnb and were very ashamed because when looking at the map. It was right next to the poblano police station. Maybe 200 meters from Parque poblano. Cops said they've never seen a time where robbers were so brazen.

Keep your head on a swivel! Or I guess don't walk alone at night. Obvio.

P.S. - anyone know where I can buy a cheap Iphone?[/QUOTE]You didn't end up like this dood, was he a monger?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lIunFoBzHM[/URL]

The region is becoming more destabilized, I think its safe to say crime will continue to increase.

[URL]https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/5/10/pandemic-fuels-venezuelas-worsening-child-labour-crisis[/URL]

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2558393]It's 96 hours, not 72.[/QUOTE]I have 2 phones and I take a pic of the result with my other phone because, stupidly results cannot be saved doing a screenshot and if you don't have a connection like in the airports you can not access your results.

[QUOTE=ChicagoMan;2558503]I was walking down 43 A yesterday at 7 pm and had two young dudes walking the opposite direction suddenly pull out a gun, put it to my face, and rob me of my iphone, wallet, and headphones. I just kept my head down and handed everything over and they took off.

The police came to my airbnb and were very ashamed because when looking at the map. It was right next to the poblano police station. Maybe 200 meters from Parque poblano. Cops said they've never seen a time where robbers were so brazen.

Keep your head on a swivel! Or I guess don't walk alone at night. Obvio.

P.S. - anyone know where I can buy a cheap Iphone?[/QUOTE]I always walk fast and have a radar in my head; I never stay in a place more than 30 seconds and have trashy clothes and junk phone.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2558397]Does this mean that they are going to ease restrictions / curfews in June and July?[/QUOTE]They already have; no more pico&cedula in many cities and no more 4 x3.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2558533]On top of that, Colombia is doing a shitty job with vaccinations. The vaccines are way more prevalent now (states in the USA are turning them down now), so maybe, maybe Colombia will start to get more, but that is the one ray of hope in a bleak picture IMO.[/QUOTE]Really?? Well I believe (with good reason) that they are vaccinating everyone over 60 right now. I joined the SURA-EPS system just 2 weeks ago. Literally within a few days I got a call to get vaccinated.

It was less than a week after entering the system and they had some extra availability. I turned down the special availability because it was with AstraZeneca and not Pfizer or Moderna. They set up my "regular" appointment for the vaccination the next week. I went to this one. Unlucky for me it was still AstraZeneca but I've had the first shot and I'm already scheduled for the 2nd one.

So based on my experience I would say they are doing an ok job. I believe the number of vaccinations is over 5 million at the moment. Which would be approximately 10% of the population.

[QUOTE=ChicagoMan;2558503]I was walking down 43 A yesterday at 7 pm and had two young dudes walking the opposite direction suddenly pull out a gun, put it to my face, and rob me of my iphone, wallet, and headphones. I just kept my head down and handed everything over and they took off.

The police came to my airbnb and were very ashamed because when looking at the map. It was right next to the poblano police station. Maybe 200 meters from Parque poblano. Cops said they've never seen a time where robbers were so brazen.

Keep your head on a swivel! Or I guess don't walk alone at night. Obvio.

P.S. - anyone know where I can buy a cheap Iphone?[/QUOTE]So sorry to hear this, nothing ruins a trip more than a mugging. Every city has this problem, it's no longer true to "stay out of the bad areas" if you don't want to be mugged. It can happen anywhere, anytime nowadays in Colombia. Over the years I have seen robberies increase exponentially with the influx of Venezuelans. Not disparaging a whole country just calling them like I see them. I have said it over and over, take a cab, don't walk at night, don't wear any jewelry, leave your phone in the room if at all possible, hide most of your money in your underwear, only keep a small amount in your pocket and lastly the Venezuelan robbers are known to shoot first and rob later so if your alone or at night, take a cab! Even if it's only a few blocks.

That stretch has been a hotspot for robberies since before the Pandemic. Criminals know it's the place to find people who are much more likely to have money and valuables than the long rusty knives people carry around in slumming areas. The criminals also know foreigners often have their guard down because they see other foreigners. This is no criticism of our unfortunate brother. I am very sorry it happened.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2558651]So sorry to hear this, nothing ruins a trip more than a mugging. Every city has this problem, it's no longer true to "stay out of the bad areas" if you don't want to be mugged. It can happen anywhere, anytime nowadays in Colombia. Over the years I have seen robberies increase exponentially with the influx of Venezuelans. Not disparaging a whole country just calling them like I see them. I have said it over and over, take a cab, don't walk at night, don't wear any jewelry, leave your phone in the room if at all possible, hide most of your money in your underwear, only keep a small amount in your pocket and lastly the Venezuelan robbers are known to shoot first and rob later so if your alone or at night, take a cab! Even if it's only a few blocks.[/QUOTE]

I'm kinda excited, second time was a charm, and finally got to open a Bancolombia account. I feel a little more Colombian now haha. I went to the branch inside Santa Fe Mall. I think the one by EAFIT is closed or it moved because I couldn't find it. All good, I brought in some real estate paperwork and original passport (gave them a photocopy as well), the lady was nice and asked me some questions and entire process took about 30 minutes. You'll need local address, local phone number, and provide additional personal info and puff that's it. All done in Spanish.

Also, there's like 3 different account fees: 6 mil, 9 mil or 12 mil per month. I just picked the 12 mil option since it had more perks. I put down a 200 mil deposit and there's no minimum balance to maintain. I left with brand new debit card with PIN and now I can start dumping my stockpile of pesos into the account. Hope this helps those who are planning to open local account here. Good luck!

[QUOTE=ChicagoMan;2558528]I was walking down 43 A yesterday at 7 pm and had two young dudes walking the opposite direction suddenly pull out a gun, put it to my face, and rob me of my iphone, wallet, and headphones. I just kept my head down and handed everything over and they took off.

The police came to my airbnb and were very ashamed because when looking at the map. It was right next to the poblano police station. Maybe 200 meters from Parque poblano. Cops said they've never seen a time where robbers were so brazen.

Keep your head on a swivel! Or I guess don't walk alone at night. Obvio.

[/QUOTE]Lots of mongers will try to recommend what could have been done to avoid the armed robbery.

If the thieves want what you have, whether its the clothes on your back and even if you look local, sadly they are going to get it.

Brain fart over. I had heard that Abydos was once the training ground for Loutron's.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2558611]It was my favorite spot also. I always heard it was the junior team to the high-end casa (Can't think of the name) that was up the hill several blocks from the Mansion way back 15 years ago. Like the training casa for it. I remember my first year visiting MDE. A chica who was in Abydos. She used to play basketball. So she was taller and fit. What a body. And so sweet. I always wanted to see her again. Stupid me for not getting her number (that was back in the day when they had flip phones in Colombia and you texted the chicas). Energy was a great casa then also. Not sure of the affiliation.

I also remember Abydos was close to Miel why Canela. Good place to go for cheap pussy, especially if you wants anal. After sex at Abydos, I'd always walk down the street to Mario's to eat ribs. Good times.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2558583]Go straight down Calle 10 towards the metro station. The Metro station will be to your left Monterrey mall will be to your right. There are probably 20 stores selling phones. Shop around to get the best price.[/QUOTE]I suppose it has been a while since you were at the Monterrey mall looking for cell phones. I was there last February and the only stores I found that were selling cell phones were the carrier stores.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2558709] Abydos was once the training ground for Loutron's.[/QUOTE]They were owned by the same person. Abydos was much cheaper. Loutrons more expensive. I preferred Abydos! Girls were fresher, more amateurs.

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;2557964]Hi all, how much would you give a chica to stay with you all weekend? I'm talking about Friday to Monday morning.

Do you think 300 mils a day before is good? TIA.[/QUOTE]Short answer, offer her a thousand mil COP for the entire weekend, not including tip and taxi. That is a nice round number and fair market value for a good experience.

Long answer, don't be surprised if she wants more and be happy if she takes the 1000. I am assuming you know this chica well enough to want to spend that much time with her and she with you. Always better to err on the short side of time add as you go so you are not over committed. Ask her to arrive 6 PM Friday and be happy if gets there before midnight, jaja. She will probably be out the door by 6 AM on Monday or sunrise is their common exit strategy. That puts you time with her in convenient 12-hour blocks. 300 mil COP is sort of a standard 12 hour-rate for an upgade after 3 hour short-time to overnight, capish? Going by that, a weekend starting at 6 P Fri ending at 6 A on Mon would have five 12-hour blocks and run you 1,500 mil COP.

But she will be late and you deserve a block discount whcih is why I said start at a thousand but be prepared to work your way up. Oh yeah, you will be feeding her too. I also make clear in advance whether or not we will be doing any shopping on my dime. And you can "no shopping" with confidence. If you want to take her shopping, stick to your guns and if you agreed to buy her food or jeans don't get diverted to the jewelry or iPhone stores, jaja. Also, be very wary about meeting any of her "friends" because they will automatically want you pay for whatever activity you are engaged in at the moment.

The main message is not the numbers, but be sure you know what you are doing before you commit to a whole weekend. I have told prepagos before, let's pay-up after the first 24 hours (for you that would be Sat evening) and decide if we want to keep going. Paying them as you go motivates them and they feel safer you won't screw them out money at the end. Plus, it gives you an out if you need it. For a long weekend with lots of fucking and sucking you should tip, anything less than 50 would be an insullt, 100 would be good. 200 if she rocked your world. Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2558715]I suppose it has been a while since you were at the Monterrey mall looking for cell phones. I was there last February and the only stores I found that were selling cell phones were the carrier stores.[/QUOTE]Scratching my head here, I walked thru Montery mall in April and all kinds of stores selling cell phones. Montery Mall is adjacent to the Poblado METRO station and can be accessed from a pedestrian bridge from the walkway into the METRO station. It is a technical / gadget type of mall, with stores selling printing supplies like cartridges, and all kinds of things electrical, like cables and routers, and stores selling computers and games, etc. And Claro had basically a booth, versus a full on store, albeit a few years ago they had an actual store there.

[QUOTE=Bill;2558674]Lots of mongers will try to recommend what could have been done to avoid the armed robbery.

If the thieves want what you have, whether its the clothes on your back and even if you look local, sadly they are going to get it.[/QUOTE]Though there are exceptions to all rules. Wink.

[URL]https://www.eltiempo.com/bogota/video-de-hombre-que-mato-a-fletero-en-el-restrepo-bogota-572746[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2558625]You didn't end up like this dood, was he a monger?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lIunFoBzHM[/URL]

The region is becoming more destabilized, I think its safe to say crime will continue to increase.

[URL]https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/5/10/pandemic-fuels-venezuelas-worsening-child-labour-crisis[/URL][/QUOTE]Medellin isn't uniquely dangerous for a large city. Shit happens. [URL]https://abc7ny.com/times-square-shooting-nyc-wendy-magrinat-tourist/10603908/[/URL].

Has been a long time between posts for me my brothers. Finally back in the game -- and just wanted to give thanks to all those boots on the ground reports. I will be sharing mine once COVID allows!

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2558715]I suppose it has been a while since you were at the Monterrey mall looking for cell phones. I was there last February and the only stores I found that were selling cell phones were the carrier stores.[/QUOTE]I guess it's been 2 years. Strange to think all those stores have gone. It must look like a ghost town now, because most of the stores are too small for much else.

Are you sure we're talking about the same place? The Monterrey mall website still lists a bunch of cell phone stores. I'll have to stop in next trip and update my knowledge.

[QUOTE=ChicagoMan;2558528]I was walking down 43 A yesterday at 7 pm and had two young dudes walking the opposite direction suddenly pull out a gun, put it to my face, and rob me of my iphone, wallet, and headphones. I just kept my head down and handed everything over and they took off.

The police came to my airbnb and were very ashamed because when looking at the map. It was right next to the poblano police station. Maybe 200 meters from Parque poblano. Cops said they've never seen a time where robbers were so brazen.

Keep your head on a swivel! Or I guess don't walk alone at night. Obvio.

P.S. - anyone know where I can buy a cheap Iphone?[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear of your bad luck Chi-town guy. Yeah it can and does happen everywhere. But I wouldn't carry around an expensive phone in Medellin. Or more than 200 mil pesos in my pocket. And dress like a poor dude too which is pretty much how I'm most comfortable. Maybe why I've never been robbed after a few winters spent in Medellin. Look like you are more trouble than you're worth and that doesn't mean you look like much trouble.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2558533]Yeah, it depends on the number of Covid cases and demonstrations. If the demonstrations keep up and there is pressure to bend on Covid, the government might let up. But the best measure is the number of cases, and that has not gone down. Every day, Colombia is still at 17,000 cases give or take, and unless there is political pressure, my guess, and it is just a guess, is the government does not let up.

I also do not think the number of cases goes down anytime soon. Lockdowns do not work (and in fact are harmful. Even the NYT had a blurb today on how rare transmission is outside) and the Brazil variant is in Colombia, and it does not seem to be letting up in Brazil. In fact, the Brazil variant hits young people.

On top of that, Colombia is doing a shitty job with vaccinations. The vaccines are way more prevalent now (states in the USA are turning them down now), so maybe, maybe Colombia will start to get more, but that is the one ray of hope in a bleak picture IMO.[/QUOTE]I live on an island. More than 1 out of 20 people had Covid at the same time a few weeks ago. We did 1 month of night curfews, shutting businesses, not letting anyone meet with other people from different househilds, closed must businesses, and everyone was locked down unless they were outside and away from anyone from another household. We went from over 500 positive cases to 5 in 4 weeks. They lifeted the lockdown. We went to 30. Now back to 20 since the government went to businesses to check and change procedures where they though businesses could do better. The lockdown worked here.

In Colombia they do lockdowns, then open things up like the metro. Or they do the tax free days and everyone crowds stores. Or the people have demonstrations where they are not distanced from each other. They keep doing things that counter the effectiveness of the lockdowns. Its not that lockdowns don't work-its that they aren't done correctly in some places.

The rule should be: everyone is locked down unless you are outside solo or with members of your household-and moving-walking / running-and if you can maintain real distance from others not in your household during the lockdown.

I really think the game changer for where I live was the vaccines. And giving out the vaccines in much greater numbers-while people were locked down. It makes sense. While we weren't spreading the virus we were getting inoculated. And boom--the numbers dropped very very quickly and our systems are not overwhelmed now. They started driving into the local neighborhoods and pushing them-now more than 1/2 the island is vaccinated and its getting better each day. Of course, as more tourists come back--more virus and transmission and spread will happen. If more and more people get vaccinated-then the virus won't have anywhere to spread as much or as easily and will burn out.

I wish they would require vaccines for all flight travel and most group indoor activities like night clubs, bars, concerts, sports, etc. In all cases, its not entirely up to the government to fix this problem. Individuals need to do better. A this point there is no excuse for not understanding how masks help, how the mask goes over the nose, how to not congregate around non vaccinated people and how to stop the spread. Its been over a year--people can't be this dumb--they are just being lazy or obtuse with their defiance-and companies that communicate to masses-like Facebook need to do better to stop the spread of misinformation and disinformation on their sites.

I don't know why, while the USA is dealing with some potential fuel issues they don't go to Colombia and say: Here's 100 million vaccines-we'll trade ya for some cheap oil. Everyone wins (except the environment until we get off of oil).

Maybe we should create a new program: Free blowjob with your vaccine! Every man will be vaccinated in days! That would be some progress.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2558613]The number of new cases is only meaningful in relation to the actual number of tests and of course hospitalizations which are the bottom line and less likely in young people. Everything seems to vary from City to City and from week to week.[/QUOTE]The recent wave of Covid where I live was the British strain and it was mainly young people. Why? The old people were already vaccinated!

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2558623]Sorry for your loss but you did right and are unharmed. I know Chicago so do you and that's why you did as you did. This place has good selection of iPhones and you pick the quality but you have to be back home I'm sure. You can check though but for now buy a cheap Chinese phone in Medellin. Back Market is the place. I've bought 2 1st gen SE's and am very happy. About $100 each a couple months ago, unlocked like new.[/QUOTE]If you were wearing your headphnes-you advertised that you likely had a phone or some device to play music. If not, why have them with you? Also, why the need to bring a phone everywhere we go? I tend to leave mine in the hotel safe in Colombia. On vacation why stare at a 4 inch by 5 inch or whatever little screen instead of looking at the world you are in while you are there? Are we all that addicted to our devices? Plus, these things create distractions and take away from hyper vigilance. If I meet a chick-I will give her my number for her phone.

The only time I use headphones or take a phone with me in Medellin is on Sundays when they close Poblado Avenue in the morning for people to walk and bike down the street. Its safe then and only then.

I only take just enough money that I need for whatever I am doing in that moment. Only some in the front pockets. Nothing ever in the back pockets, and some in my shoes or socks-spread out and hidden.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2558798]Sorry to hear of your bad luck Chi-town guy. Yeah it can and does happen everywhere. But I wouldn't carry around an expensive phone in Medellin. Or more than 200 mil pesos in my pocket. And dress like a poor dude too which is pretty much how I'm most comfortable. Maybe why I've never been robbed after a few winters spent in Medellin. Look like you are more trouble than you're worth and that doesn't mean you look like much trouble.[/QUOTE]The first thing I do when arriving in ANY country is observe what people are wearing-if I don't have those type of clothes I find the nearest place to get some. For instance: I was in Suriname a couple of years ago. Everyone there in t-shirts, jeans and sandals with no socks. So, that's how I dressed. Look local, walk like you own and no the place-and don't ever take anything with you that you don't want someone else to have!

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2558393]It's 96 hours, not 72.[/QUOTE]Correct, within 96 hrs of entering Colombia and within 72 hrs of returning to the USA.

What a bunch of BS. I'm not traveling again till this mess is over. Just can't afford to extend my trips another 14 days.

FYI, as of Monday 5/10 the lockdown restrictions eased up and is now 10 pm to 5 am weekends included.

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2558776]I guess it's been 2 years. Strange to think all those stores have gone. It must look like a ghost town now, because most of the stores are too small for much else.

Are you sure we're talking about the same place? The Monterrey mall website still lists a bunch of cell phone stores. I'll have to stop in next trip and update my knowledge.[/QUOTE]I believe he had this Mall confused with another one.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2558817]The first thing I do when arriving in ANY country is observe what people are wearing-if I don't have those type of clothes I find the nearest place to get some. For instance: I was in Suriname a couple of years ago. Everyone there in t-shirts, jeans and sandals with no socks. So, that's how I dressed. Look local, walk like you own and no the place-and don't ever take anything with you that you don't want someone else to have![/QUOTE]Well if you have blond hair and blue eye's I guess you would have to get a wig and wear colored contacts to better blend in and maybe look like a local and I agree with you on the clothes.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2558816]If you were wearing your headphnes-you advertised that you likely had a phone or some device to play music. If not, why have them with you? Also, why the need to bring a phone everywhere we go? I tend to leave mine in the hotel safe in Colombia. On vacation why stare at a 4 inch by 5 inch or whatever little screen instead of looking at the world you are in while you are there? Are we all that addicted to our devices? Plus, these things create distractions and take away from hyper vigilance. If I meet a chick-I will give her my number for her phone.

The only time I use headphones or take a phone with me in Medellin is on Sundays when they close Poblado Avenue in the morning for people to walk and bike down the street. Its safe then and only then.

I only take just enough money that I need for whatever I am doing in that moment. Only some in the front pockets. Nothing ever in the back pockets, and some in my shoes or socks-spread out and hidden.[/QUOTE]I agree about this I agree about this. The headphones are on advertisement.

Hey folks, lots of questions / PMs since [URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2557406&viewfull=1#post2557406]my last detailed report[/URL]so I thought I would share them with the group.
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[b]Spanish [/b] - I have had a lot of folks ask me about best phrases. Sure, there are some phrases you could learn in Columbian slang, but just go and download DuoLingo, and give yourself 30 minutes a day of practice. For you guys in Columbia already, use your phone for a translator, but instead of showing it to the girl attempt to read it EVERY DAMN TIME, and yes, you will have horrid pronunciation at first. Yes, I know, it will be annoying, but they will help you, the girls actually think it's cute when a gringo tries to learn Spanish. Never copy and paste, use the translator, and then retype. Watch some movies you already know with Spanish audio... just get used to using it, and saying basic things to people in Spanish... you will be speaking Spanish in 4-5 weeks if you do this. Hit up amazing and buy some kid's workbooks - seriously, once your get over the learning curve with the genders and the tenses, it's not that difficult. [/LIST][LIST]
[b]What is the best way to (insert thing here) [/b] - I had a lot a guys ask me for my best way to XYZ... all of those answers are different honestly, but I can tell you this that is a reoccurring theme from almost all of the question I got in this area. I can't overstress the following advice. "Dress well, take care of yourself, eat healthily and work out if you can... and lastly put in a little fucking effort". Yes, a lot, if not MOST of these girls are just solid working girls but they are still human beings and don't want to fuck an old, unattractive sweaty gross fat guy... I may be in the minority on this board who don't treat the girls only like meat... but I think I get a better experience... Sure, if you are there to just put up a number (like I am in Santa Fe, then yep, it's right down to business). If you are looking to actually enjoy your time, do what you expect out of them, and put in the effort. Outside of this hobby, you will also just look and feel better about your life if you are healthier. [/LIST][LIST]
[b]BBFS [/b] - Most casas don't offer BBFS, and even if they did, I wouldn't go there. A lot of those girls go like 10x a daily. If you want BBFS, I suggest non-pros or young Facebook girls. Never assume, make sure to ask in advance otherwise even if they do it, they will try to upcharge you. Know the risks going into this, and see my last post re: STD checking if you go crazy and make some questionable decisions while on tussi while you are there. [/LIST][LIST]
[b]My hotel wont XYZ[/b] - Tips go a longggggg way when rules exist. A lot of folks have said Marriott charges them, others say they don't... I think for every hotel there is always going to be a stickler or two at the front desk, security, etc.... My trick is I always grab some chocolates from the duty-free in the US and bring them down. When I check in to hotels, I always let people know how grateful I am, how diffcult a job it is being in the service industry since I was there before, and usually give some small tips to say 'thanks in advance for the amazing stay I'm about to have". Sure, it might NOT be necessary, but I will tell you I have not had problems with my hotels, that, and it's just a nice thing to do too. I can already tell you I'm going to get multiple emails about "what an idiot" or "YYZ just wastes money".... guys, we have enough money to have an expendable hobby literally flying around the world to fuck women.... even if it's NOT REQUIRED, it's a nice thing to do for someone who works at the front desk in in a hotel in a third world who probably makes 1/100th of your salary. [/LIST][LIST]
[b]Can I asked you a question/talk with you on the phone[/b] - Sure, send me a PM, and happy to help... if you are not an asshole, I may chat with you on the phone for a few minutes to help with suggestions for your trip, or even help you get a good hotel rate with my sources if I can. [/LIST]
Guys, in general, you have to remember, most people who are working down there, who are not "working girls" are people just like you and me. Don't be an asshole, treat them well, and tips go a LONG way. What "might not be allowed" amazingly becomes "ohh, it's ok if YYZ does it" after a $100 tip for a few weeks.[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

Headphones may draw attention but the point is these bandits are looking for any opportunity to rob someone. If they think they can get away mugging you they will. Doesn't matter if they saw something or not. If they feel they can get away with it they will do it.
As far as dressing like a native, I know plenty of Colombians that have been robbed.
[QUOTE=Kafka;2558888]I agree about this I agree about this. The headphones are on advertisement.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2558922]Headphones may draw attention but the point is these bandits are looking for any opportunity to rob someone. If they think they can get away mugging you they will. Doesn't matter if they saw something or not. If they feel they can get away with it they will do it.[/QUOTE]This is a fact, and especially in the present atmosphere. But everyone is too smart for it to happen until it happens. C'est La Vie.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2558930]This is a fact, and especially in the present atmosphere. But everyone is too smart for it to happen until it happens. C'est La Vie.[/QUOTE]If you're wearing headphones you've not only put up a sign you've got marketable tech on you, you've also isolated one of your primary forms of defense. Any ne'er-do-well seeing a foreigner with headphones on knows he can walk up on the blind side and ambush someone with impunity. If you're hanging out in iffy areas in a foreign country wearing earphones, you're too stupid to travel. If you were in the jungle you'd be eaten. This is a textbook example of a "dar papaya".

[QUOTE=ChicagoMan;2558528]I was walking down 43 A yesterday at 7 pm and had two young dudes walking the opposite direction suddenly pull out a gun, put it to my face, and rob me of my iphone, wallet, and headphones. I just kept my head down and handed everything over and they took off.

The police came to my airbnb and were very ashamed because when looking at the map. It was right next to the poblano police station. Maybe 200 meters from Parque poblano. Cops said they've never seen a time where robbers were so brazen.

Keep your head on a swivel! Or I guess don't walk alone at night. Obvio.

P.S. - anyone know where I can buy a cheap Iphone?[/QUOTE]If you're wearing headphones you've not only put up a sign you've got marketable tech on you, you've also isolated one of your primary forms of defense. Any ne'er-do-well seeing a foreigner with headphones on knows he can walk up on the blind side and ambush someone with impunity. If you're hanging out in iffy areas in a foreign country wearing earphones, you're too stupid to travel. If you were in the jungle you'd be eaten. This is a textbook example of a "dar papaya".

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2558971]If you're wearing headphones you've not only put up a sign you've got marketable tech on you, you've also isolated one of your primary forms of defense. Any ne'er-do-well seeing a foreigner with headphones on knows he can walk up on the blind side and ambush someone with impunity. If you're hanging out in iffy areas in a foreign country wearing earphones, you're too stupid to travel. If you were in the jungle you'd be eaten. This is a textbook example of a "dar papaya".[/QUOTE]No one is promoting headphones here. The point you missed was that this can happen regardless, especially in the present atmosphere. Maybe you missed the series of recent videos where the victims were attacked by crowds of guys. There's really no defense against that, and it happens to plenty of locals without headphones.

P.S. Most folks would consider anyone who plans to go to Colombia right now to drink, seek out hookers, and perhaps partake of party favors too stupid to travel. All perspective I guess, plus they have passports, oh well. Wink.

[QUOTE=ChicagoMan;2558528]I was walking down 43 A yesterday at 7 pm and had two young dudes walking the opposite direction suddenly pull out a gun, put it to my face, and rob me of my iphone, wallet, and headphones. I just kept my head down and handed everything over and they took off.[/QUOTE]Did you forget you were in Colombia and not Hyde Park?

This is the new bread of mongers on the scene: walking around Colombia with Beats by Dre headphones on while checking sports scores on their Apple Watch. Smdh.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2558756]Medellin isn't uniquely dangerous for a large city. Shit happens.[/QUOTE]But who are you trying to convince? Not all large cities of the world are created equally when it comes to crime profiles. Medellin is also in distress at the moment in a way not seen in the years preceding the pandemic. Also obvious North Americans and Euros are targets in a way that they are not in many large cities. So yea, let's all take care, operate within our preferred risk levels without suspect generalizations that could lull us into "feeling safe" or a false sense of security.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2558855]I believe he had this Mall confused with another one.[/QUOTE]Not confused, I have been going to the Monterrey mall for the past ten years. They used to have a fairly good cafeteria on the top floor, now gone. There's many phone accessories stores; but, other than the carrier stores, I could not find any store that had a variety of brands of cell phones. I checked all three levels.

[QUOTE=ChicagoMan;2558528]I was walking down 43 A yesterday at 7 pm and had two young dudes walking the opposite direction suddenly pull out a gun, put it to my face, and rob me of my iphone, wallet, and headphones. I just kept my head down and handed everything over and they took off.

The police came to my airbnb and were very ashamed because when looking at the map. It was right next to the poblano police station. Maybe 200 meters from Parque poblano. Cops said they've never seen a time where robbers were so brazen.

Keep your head on a swivel! Or I guess don't walk alone at night. Obvio.

P.S. - anyone know where I can buy a cheap Iphone?[/QUOTE]Thank you ChidagoMan for the post, this is the type of information that is extremely helpful to know, that the thieves are getting more brazen and coming up into Poblado without regard to the heavy police presence there. This is excellent information for newbies and even for experienced members who regularly stay in Poblado, it is such a pleasant area that it is easy to see why people would let their guard down some. If you were right near that police station then I am assuming that you were just north of that Carulla, that is where the thugs took advantage of the protest and broke into that Bancolombia so I would think they would have more police there, but I suppose the damage was done.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2558972]If you're wearing headphones you've not only put up a sign you've got marketable tech on you, you've also isolated one of your primary forms of defense. Any ne'er-do-well seeing a foreigner with headphones on knows he can walk up on the blind side and ambush someone with impunity. If you're hanging out in iffy areas in a foreign country wearing earphones, you're too stupid to travel. If you were in the jungle you'd be eaten. This is a textbook example of a "dar papaya".[/QUOTE]You think it would be too much to ask that when someone who is in Medellin and reports back with some damn good information that members need to hear, do you think it would be too much to ask that people refrain from calling them "stupid". We do not want to discourage people from making these reports. If you knew Medellin then you would know that this is not an "iffy" area, it is the most touristy and affluent areas and because of this it has its own police station nearby and is regularly patrolled by the policia. He called it 43 a but is also called Avenida El Poblado, these things rarely happen here in normal times, the last report in this area of an on the street mugging was about 2 years ago and it was cone by 2 up on a motorcycle so the new information here is that these guys were on foot. Not something even experienced members would normally think would happen.

All the snips were taken off of Google Street Maps within a block of where he said he was robbed and while there is no way to tell I suspect most of these people are Colombian and what these people all have in common is that they are all openly flashing their "marketable tech" with our regard to thinking they are "dar papaya". Because reputation and statistics show this to be one of the safest areas of Medellin.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2558995]Thank you ChidagoMan for the post, this is the type of information that is extremely helpful to know, that the thieves are getting more brazen and coming up into Poblado without regard to the heavy police presence there. This is excellent information for newbies and even for experienced members who regularly stay in Poblado, it is such a pleasant area that it is easy to see why people would let their guard down some. If you were right near that police station then I am assuming that you were just north of that Carulla, that is where the thugs took advantage of the protest and broke into that Bancolombia so I would think they would have more police there, but I suppose the damage was done.

You think it would be too much to ask that when someone who is in Medellin and reports back with some damn good information that members need to hear, do you think it would be too much to ask that people refrain from calling them "stupid". We do not want to discourage people from making these reports. If you knew Medellin then you would know that this is not an "iffy" area, it is the most touristy and affluent areas and because of this it has its own police station nearby and is regularly patrolled by the policia. He called it 43 a but is also called Avenida El Poblado, these things rarely happen here in normal times, the last report in this area of an on the street mugging was about 2 years ago and it was cone by 2 up on a motorcycle so the new information here is that these guys were on foot. Not something even experienced members would normally think would happen..[/QUOTE]I hope my posts about this were not taken as victim blaming.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2558990]Not confused, I have been going to the Monterrey mall for the past ten years. They used to have a fairly good cafeteria on the top floor, now gone. There's many phone accessories stores; but, other than the carrier stores, I could not find any store that had a variety of brands of cell phones. I checked all three levels.[/QUOTE]Well there used to be a Claro store but they shutdown and now only have a booth. And your correct in that most of the stores that sell accessories do sell a limited amount of cell phones from what I noticed as well, versus the carrier stores that have a larger variety, but don't seem to exist there anymore as I only recall the Claro store.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2558995]Thank you ChidagoMan for the post, this is the type of information that is extremely helpful to know, that the thieves are getting more brazen and coming up into Poblado without regard to the heavy police presence there. This is excellent information for newbies and even for experienced members who regularly stay in Poblado, it is such a pleasant area that it is easy to see why people would let their guard down some. If you were right near that police station then I am assuming that you were just north of that Carulla, that is where the thugs took advantage of the protest and broke into that Bancolombia so I would think they would have more police there, but I suppose the damage was done.

You think it would be too much to ask that when someone who is in Medellin and reports back with some damn good information that members need to hear, do you think it would be too much to ask that people refrain from calling them "stupid". We do not want to discourage people from making these reports. If you knew Medellin then you would know that this is not an "iffy" area, it is the most touristy and affluent areas and because of this it has its own police station nearby and is regularly patrolled by the policia. He called it 43 a but is also called Avenida El Poblado, these things rarely happen here in normal times, the last report in this area of an on the street mugging was about 2 years ago and it was cone by 2 up on a motorcycle so the new information here is that these guys were on foot. Not something even experienced members would normally think would happen.


All the snips were taken off of Google Street Maps within a block of where he said he was robbed and while there is no way to tell I suspect most of these people are Colombian and what these people all have in common is that they are all openly flashing their "marketable tech" with our regard to thinking they are "dar papaya". Because reputation and statistics show this to be one of the safest areas of Medellin.[/QUOTE]No one needs to hear, shoulda coulda woulda but some of his impute is valuable. I think you are living in Colombia, so I think you know that NO WHERE in Colombia is safe anymore. No city, no barrio, EN NINGÚand LUGAR. Telling the truth about this beautiful country and people will not deter us guys from coming for a variety of reasons, mostly for the most beautiful women in the world but please don't describe any area as safe anymore. That will be giving us a false sense of security. Especially any new guys venturing into Colonia for the first time, when they hear 'safe area' they think ok I'm safe here and let their guard down, a very bad thing to do nowadays.

For the last 10 years I have been staying in Chico Norte in Bogota a 'safe area'. Right behind my apartment is a contingent of 100 or more campistas,200 meters long, against the wall of all the closed up restaurants and businesses and all Venezuelans, all lined up with card board boxes and plastic bags. They have even erected a Venezuelan flag over the site. This site is 100 meters from Parque 93 in Chico Norte, here-to-for a 'safe area" there are 3 policemen stationed across the street from this spot, 24 hours a day and still the robberies continue to occur. I stopped and spoked to the cops a few weeks ago and they advised me NOT to venture out of my apartment in the area at night anymore. Every city has become very dangerous, Bogota, Medellin Bucaramanga, Cartagena TODO! With millions of Venezuelans give permeant status by Duque, and no jobs for them or Colombians for that matter to support themselves things can only get worse. One side note. Don't trust anyone, not the people working at the reception desk of your hotel, or the vigilance in a bank, anyone because if they see you have money or are carrying anything of value they will text the bandits, give them your location and description and they will hit you in the street, which may have happened to Chicago man. I love Colombia but until they can end this surge of crime you MUST stay vigilante. Please stay safe.

I wasn't wearing the headphones. They were in my pocket and got them when they searched me. I don't mind being called stupid. And I guess I was for having my cell phone and wallet on me, as well for not calling a cab. But I saw these kids walking towards me and they didn't give off any vibe until they went into robber mode. They just got lucky to catch me walking during a break in traffic and took advantage.

As others have said, I only post to give you guys a heads up to keep your head on a swivel because things do seem a little crazier here around here on this trip. My girls are telling me to avoid centro at all costs for example.

But I think if you take cabs anytime you leave well populated areas, you should be fine. Still love this place and will be coming back.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2558814]I live on an island. More than 1 out of 20 people had Covid at the same time a few weeks ago. We did 1 month of night curfews, shutting businesses, not letting anyone meet with other people from different househilds, closed must businesses, and everyone was locked down unless they were outside and away from anyone from another household. We went from over 500 positive cases to 5 in 4 weeks. They lifeted the lockdown. We went to 30. Now back to 20 since the government went to businesses to check and change procedures where they though businesses could do better. The lockdown worked here.

I really think the game changer for where I live was the vaccines. And giving out the vaccines in much greater numbers-while people were locked down. It makes sense. While we weren't spreading the virus we were getting inoculated. And boom--the numbers dropped very very quickly and our systems are not overwhelmed now. They started driving into the local neighborhoods and pushing them-now more than 1/2 the island is vaccinated and its getting better each day. Of course, as more tourists come back--more virus and transmission and spread will happen. If more and more people get vaccinated-then the virus won't have anywhere to spread as much or as easily and will burn out.[/QUOTE]JI,

You are taking an effective therapy for stopping the spread of Covid (vaccines) and then mixing it with one that does not work (lockdowns). Of course, you are going to get great results if you lockdown and vaccinate, but Colombia is not doing that or at least not vaccinating nearly enough.

Thing is I got into Medellin on April 3 around when they started the lockdowns. On April 3, there were 9000+ cases. For the last 2 weeks, there have been about 17,000 cases every day, so the lockdown has been a complete failure, a total disaster.

Thing with public policy "experts" though is they never admit defeat. Even though cases have nearly doubled since the lockdown started, I can imagine what the "experts" would say. Can you imagine how bad things would be if we did nothing?

I do not know how anyone can look at this data and conclude lockdowns work. They do not. They have been utter failures everywhere they have been tried.

[QUOTE=ChicagoMan;2558528]I was walking down 43 A yesterday at 7 pm and had two young dudes walking the opposite direction suddenly pull out a gun, put it to my face, and rob me of my iphone, wallet, and headphones. I just kept my head down and handed everything over and they took off.

The police came to my airbnb and were very ashamed because when looking at the map. It was right next to the poblano police station. Maybe 200 meters from Parque poblano. Cops said they've never seen a time where robbers were so brazen.

Keep your head on a swivel! Or I guess don't walk alone at night. Obvio.

P.S. - anyone know where I can buy a cheap Iphone?[/QUOTE]The Mean Streets of Medellin. I'm sorry Chicago Man, you got robbed like that. That must have been a scary situation.

For me, I'll stay in California, at least for now.

Yep. I never carry my cell phone with me then again I'm usually in Cartegena. It's part of my relaxation process not to have that phone.

[QUOTE=ChicagoMan;2559091]I wasn't wearing the headphones. They were in my pocket and got them when they searched me. I don't mind being called stupid. And I guess I was for having my cell phone and wallet on me, as well for not calling a cab. But I saw these kids walking towards me and they didn't give off any vibe until they went into robber mode. They just got lucky to catch me walking during a break in traffic and took advantage.

As others have said, I only post to give you guys a heads up to keep your head on a swivel because things do seem a little crazier here around here on this trip. My girls are telling me to avoid centro at all costs for example.

But I think if you take cabs anytime you leave well populated areas, you should be fine. Still love this place and will be coming back.[/QUOTE]

Me and a buddy of mine have been putting off our trip to Medellin for the past couple months due to curfews / lockdowns, etc. Now that curfew has moved to 10 pm on weekdays I went ahead and pulled the trigger for June 21-28. We chose a Monday to Monday in case there is still a weekend lockdown. Will we be able to have a good time mongering if things stay the same? We plan on staying near Lleras because that seems to be close to all the action. I've only been to the. Are. And even with curfews there things were pretty much business as usual. If I were in a hotel / club 30 minutes before curfew we could stay until closing time and taxis were permitted to travel after curfew. With the taxi provisions we had no problem ordering food at night or paying a taxi to bring chicas that we met earlier in the day. Any good advice would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=ChicagoMan;2559091]I wasn't wearing the headphones. They were in my pocket and got them when they searched me. I don't mind being called stupid. And I guess I was for having my cell phone and wallet on me, as well for not calling a cab. But I saw these kids walking towards me and they didn't give off any vibe until they went into robber mode. They just got lucky to catch me walking during a break in traffic and took advantage.

As others have said, I only post to give you guys a heads up to keep your head on a swivel because things do seem a little crazier here around here on this trip. My girls are telling me to avoid centro at all costs for example.

But I think if you take cabs anytime you leave well populated areas, you should be fine. Still love this place and will be coming back.[/QUOTE]I said it before and will say it again, your to be applauded for posting. It's a learning curve and and everybody does some foolish things and what happened to you came totally out of nowhere and wasn't expected. It wasn't like you were walking alone on a totally deserted road. I was with one of my Chicas last year and was walking with her during a very heavy downpour and boom two guys on a Motorcylcle puled up from behind, brandished a gun in my Chicas face and took her purse. They didn't mess with me and it happened in all of 15 seconds. So would you expect something like that during an extremely heavy downpour which is called an Aquacero, no but it happened, and now anytime I'm off somewhere by myself and see or hear a motorcycle with two guys on it, I'm ready to run.

You learned a hard lesson and are taking some flak, but I'm sure other guys newer to Colombia will learn from what happened to you. And some guys' who are afraid of their own shadow wouldn't be coming back like you or I.

[QUOTE=ChicagoMan;2559091]I wasn't wearing the headphones. They were in my pocket and got them when they searched me.[/QUOTE]And you never said that you were. Some could benefit greatly by signing up for a Reading Comprehension 101 course at their local community college. This would prevent them from sending conversations off on tangents and getting their feathers ruffled for no reason, a win win for everyone. And thank you for sharing your story.

It is time to reevaluate, without bias and wishful thinking, if it is worth visiting Colombia over other venues.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2559211]It is time to reevaluate, without bias and wishful thinking, if it is worth visiting Colombia over other venues.[/QUOTE]Most of the countries we visit in this hobby are suffering severely over the last year. Brasil, Colombia, DR can be violent in normal times but are much more so now.

Maybe Asia?

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2559211]It is time to reevaluate, without bias and wishful thinking, if it is worth visiting Colombia over other venues.[/QUOTE]Which venues would you be referring too?

When Medellin is open, I can't think of another venue on the planet worth visiting.

This has been evidenced by the onslaught of gringos prior to the beginning of the weekend lockdowns in April.

Yes Mexico is open, but no comparison to Colombia in my book. And the DR is open albeit with loose curfews, but again no comparison to Colombia. Asia is dead, and whatever is going on in Europe, well it can't be compared to Colombia.

I think everyone on this board would like to know of other venues worth visiting, so if you have any suggestions, throw them out there.

[QUOTE=Icky994;2559163]Me and a buddy of mine have been putting off our trip to Medellin for the past couple months due to curfews / lockdowns, etc. Now that curfew has moved to 10 pm on weekdays I went ahead and pulled the trigger for June 21-28. We chose a Monday to Monday in case there is still a weekend lockdown. Will we be able to have a good time mongering if things stay the same? We plan on staying near Lleras because that seems to be close to all the action. I've only been to the. Are. And even with curfews there things were pretty much business as usual. If I were in a hotel / club 30 minutes before curfew we could stay until closing time and taxis were permitted to travel after curfew. With the taxi provisions we had no problem ordering food at night or paying a taxi to bring chicas that we met earlier in the day. Any good advice would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Just because the curfew has changed for the upcoming weekend doesn't mean that they won't revert to a total weekend lockdown. I would re-evaulate the situation the week before your departure, and not come if the total weekend lockdowns have been re-initiated. I say this, and it's not a reflection on you, but for first time visitors, it could be challenging for several reasons.

Maybe without the lockdowns those 9000+ cases on April 3 would have been 30,000 every day. We'll never know-but you stat about this doesn't mean lockdown are a complete failure. The cases may have tripled instead of doubled without the lockdowns?? We locked down where I live a few months prior to the recent vaccine campaign--2 times: once in September / October and again in January after the holiday surge in cases-and the numbers dropped dramatically. Lockdowns do work-its just we subvert them with other shitty ideas. How does a lockdown for 3 days followed by everyone jumping on the Metro make any sense? Especially when people still haven't figured out that the mask goes above the nose LOL.

They announced today that where I live there have been zero cases of Covid in over a month for anyone 70 and over. ZERO!! Why? They are almost all vaccinated. The vaccines work and are the solution. I wish our world governments would suspend all purchases of weapons-tanks, guns, fighter bombers etc and spend all that money they use for wars and shooting each other-and put it towards vaccines.

We agree: lockdown and vaccinate in combo is the best way to get it done quickly. Just look at the data from Aruba Bonaire and Curacao. Its incredible how these islands have squelched their outbreaks quickly!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2559099]JI,

You are taking an effective therapy for stopping the spread of Covid (vaccines) and then mixing it with one that does not work (lockdowns). Of course, you are going to get great results if you lockdown and vaccinate, but Colombia is not doing that or at least not vaccinating nearly enough.

Thing is I got into Medellin on April 3 around when they started the lockdowns. On April 3, there were 9000+ cases. For the last 2 weeks, there have been about 17,000 cases every day, so the lockdown has been a complete failure, a total disaster.

Thing with public policy "experts" though is they never admit defeat. Even though cases have nearly doubled since the lockdown started, I can imagine what the "experts" would say. Can you imagine how bad things would be if we did nothing?

I do not know how anyone can look at this data and conclude lockdowns work. They do not. They have been utter failures everywhere they have been tried.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Icky994;2559163]Me and a buddy of mine have been putting off our trip to Medellin for the past couple months due to curfews / lockdowns, etc. Now that curfew has moved to 10 pm on weekdays I went ahead and pulled the trigger for June 21-28. We chose a Monday to Monday in case there is still a weekend lockdown. Will we be able to have a good time mongering if things stay the same? We plan on staying near Lleras because that seems to be close to all the action. I've only been to the. Are. And even with curfews there things were pretty much business as usual. If I were in a hotel / club 30 minutes before curfew we could stay until closing time and taxis were permitted to travel after curfew. With the taxi provisions we had no problem ordering food at night or paying a taxi to bring chicas that we met earlier in the day. Any good advice would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Read through the forum and stay at the Mansion. For you, this is the way.

[QUOTE=Icky994;2559163]Me and a buddy of mine have been putting off our trip to Medellin for the past couple months due to curfews / lockdowns, etc. Now that curfew has moved to 10 pm on weekdays I went ahead and pulled the trigger for June 21-28. We chose a Monday to Monday in case there is still a weekend lockdown. Will we be able to have a good time mongering if things stay the same? We plan on staying near Lleras because that seems to be close to all the action. I've only been to the. Are. And even with curfews there things were pretty much business as usual. If I were in a hotel / club 30 minutes before curfew we could stay until closing time and taxis were permitted to travel after curfew. With the taxi provisions we had no problem ordering food at night or paying a taxi to bring chicas that we met earlier in the day. Any good advice would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Very difficult to know what will work for another mongerer. I am not in Medellin now but I am getting daily updates from multiple sources. At the moment, feels like the worst has passed. But the situation is fluid and hard to say what it will be like by the time your dates roll around. Me personally, I would say now is not the season to discover Medellin for first time visitors. Experienced visitors, maybe. Different story. But first-timers, without contacts and some steady go-to girls you can trust? I would be hesistant. Who knows when things will get back to normal, or new normal, or whatever normal becomes, and that could support your decision to go ahead and pull the trigger and visit during your planned dates. Ultimately, your call. The other factor to consider is not just the chicas, but the more stressed the environment, the more dangerous it is for street crime, desperate acts and such. Think how you will feel if you come and something bad happens, you will be second guessing yourself for a long time after that.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2559266]Read through the forum and stay at the Mansion. For you, this is the way.[/QUOTE]The mansion?

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2559264]Maybe without the lockdowns those 9000+ cases on April 3 would have been 30,000 every day. We'll never know-but you stat about this doesn't mean lockdown are a complete failure. The cases may have tripled instead of doubled without the lockdowns?? We locked down where I live a few months prior to the recent vaccine campaign--2 times: once in September / October and again in January after the holiday surge in cases-and the numbers dropped dramatically. [/QUOTE]Also, the number of daily cases may have been reduced by half without the lockdowns. Everything is speculation because there are no re-dos in life. The daily case numbers dropped dramatically in the whole world after the holidays. In Florida, without lockdowns, daily new cases went down almost 60% between January 7 and February 7 of this year.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2559287]Also, the number of daily cases may have been reduced by half without the lockdowns. Everything is speculation because there are no re-dos in life. The daily case numbers dropped dramatically in the whole world after the holidays. In Florida, without lockdowns, daily new cases went down almost 60% between January 7 and February 7 of this year.[/QUOTE]I'm sure many for whatever reason want to believe the current restrictions are a waste of time. But the simple aim is to cut back spread some to relieve stress on the hospital systems. Naturally cases dropped in many countries after the holidays due to fewer large indoor gatherings. As to Florida, in January there was the post holiday drop plus amped up vaccine distribution. Not everything is pure speculation in science as it's possible to assess variables and trends.

[URL]https://www.flgov.com/2021/01/09/governor-ron-desantis-provides-update-on-covid-19-vaccine-distribution-efforts/[/URL]

The girl in my hotel that wanted paid first and I said was either bad surgery or bad performance. The guy stating bad performance looks to be the winner winner chicken dinner. You see I warned a guy in this hotel about her and he said that she came to him telling him her charger broke and asked to use his charger in her room. He told her if she wanted her phone charged it will have to be in his room. She got bitchy and told him he was a cheap foreigner. Attitude!

They removed the porta potties near Tostaos. Smells so much better!

Many Centro regulars have not returned yet after the riots. But some new girls have replaced them. Several younger ones with bad attitudes. I showed a paper with 30,000 written on it. She asked if that was in dollars or pesos. WTF!

Have not seen any muggings in a little over a week now. No info on the blood picture. Since the blood, there has been police on every corner around that block for most the day.

Several weeks ago the police talked to some girl about something. Most likely about curfew and not to stand around. She was walking away and mouthed off trying to get the last word. He walked up behind her quickly and gave her 3 whackings from his club. The last one if he would have hit her shoulder blade or collar bone could have broken it. She laid there for 10 minutes as the police walked off and people around her helped her up. In any country you happen to be in that the police are telling you to do something. Just do it. Shut up and walk / drive away.

Finally tried Carbon why Sabor 2 blocks down from the church on that walking street (walking from the museum to the church and onward). The hamburger was not cooked enough. I like dill not sweet pickles. The onion that I thought I read was not real onion but that crunchy stuff they sprinkle on hot dogs. But their fajitas were great (4 times now).

Seafood restaurant opened 2 days ago. Above Mor Dis because and below Govindas. Menu included below. Must admit I already have issues with them. I can see a painted wall (mural) with 3 squid or octopus on it. Guess what they do not have? Correct: calamari (fried squid). WTF!

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2559264]Maybe without the lockdowns those 9000+ cases on April 3 would have been 30,000 every day. We'll never know-but you stat about this doesn't mean lockdown are a complete failure.[/QUOTE]JI,

Lockdowns do not work if you do not have the support of the population, and Colombians are done listening to their government. See the link: [URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/mass-protests-brought-on-by-covid-19-woes-paralyze-colombian-city-11620849287[/URL] Here are quotes from the article:

Two weeks of antigovernment demonstrations and a national strike triggered by a proposed tax increase, and exacerbated by privation and unemployment made worse by the pandemic, have hit much of the South American country, with demonstrators blocking major highways and battling the police in 19 of Colombia's 32 provinces.

Thirty-five people have died and hundreds have been injured in the unrest. With medical personnel unable to get to work, Covid-19 vaccinations have dropped by 30% in Cali, while the number of infections has nearly doubled in the last week. Nationwide, health authorities are struggling with an average of 450 daily deaths from the disease, three times per capita what hard-hit India has been recording in recent days. The blockades are generating more misery, preventing people from getting to their jobs at nearly 90% of the city's companies and forcing 41% to temporarily shut down, according to the chamber of commerce. Losses have topped $500 million.

"Even if it is not done with firearms or aggression, blocking roads is a violent act because it restricts the rights of people to feed themselves, get oxygen and vaccinations, and to work," President Duque, 44, said while visiting Cali on Tuesday.

A poll for a Bogotá TV station conducted over the weekend showed that 81% of Colombians under the age of 35 supported the protests.

Fausto Prieto, a former city hall worker and a protest leader, explained that people need to let off steam after two weeks of tension. But he expects that the police will soon try to clear them out.

"We are waiting for them," said Mr. Prieto. The police "have come here three times and three times we have pushed them back. " End of quote.

So JI, you can talk about lockdowns working or not, but the government has lost the ear of the people, and there is no will for lockdowns. There is no point in even talking about it anymore.

I was looking at the number of cases as a gauge to when the lockdowns would end. Now I see that is irrelevant. All that matters now is the government opening things up with as little egg on its face (if there are any eggs left in Colombia) as possible. They have to open things up and try to spin a way to declare victory, and God knows how they are going to do that.

It doesn't matter if you carry a phone or wallet if you are in Poblado or Envigado. If they feel they can rob you they will. Keep in mind that it's just bad luck no matter if you have always had your guard on or not. Even cabs are not safe. They come with a bike they point a gun at you and they rob you. It's simple as that and it can happened to anyone no matter how cautious he is or not.

Hi guys,

A group of 4 of us will be visiting Medellin for the first time for a week in during the beginning of July. I am hoping the lockdown / curfew is lifted by then. We have planned this trip since pre pandemic and everything is reserved so we will be going. We have a place around Lleras Park. I've been reading back and I can see the going rates so I have a very good idea about rates. But I was wondering if someone could give me a suggestion of where to start. I have sites for prepagos to come over, so that I know. But what should we do as first timers around there? I don't want to go to a place that we shouldn't. How much do you think one will spend going into let's say Gusto and getting a table and having a good time. Where are the best places to try and find non working females? We plan on going site seeing. We all speak Spanish so communication will not be an issue. Just wondering if some of you Medellin experts could provide point me in the right direction. I appreciate any help. Thank you!

[QUOTE=Icky994;2559163]Me and a buddy of mine have been putting off our trip to Medellin for the past couple months due to curfews / lockdowns, etc. Now that curfew has moved to 10 pm on weekdays I went ahead and pulled the trigger for June 21-28. We chose a Monday to Monday in case there is still a weekend lockdown. Will we be able to have a good time mongering if things stay the same? We plan on staying near Lleras because that seems to be close to all the action. I've only been to the. Are. And even with curfews there things were pretty much business as usual. If I were in a hotel / club 30 minutes before curfew we could stay until closing time and taxis were permitted to travel after curfew. With the taxi provisions we had no problem ordering food at night or paying a taxi to bring chicas that we met earlier in the day. Any good advice would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I think you may need to read the forum more. Just because the curfew is at 10 or 8 it doesn't mean you party on until one minute before and the saunter on home. A lot of businesses stay fully closed and some close well before curfew as well as the fact that things can get really chaotic in the last hour before. Around centro taxis can be almost impossible to get and there are lots people that will take advantage of the chaos and you really don't want to get stuck somewhere after curfew without transport which is why my limit is 2 hours before and then I go home.

Guys I need a change of scenery. Been here since the beginning of April and there is no point in waiting for all the madness to end, lockdowns or no lockdowns I need to see somewhere different and random, any recommendations? I thinking of just booking a flight to Bucaramanga, why? I don't know, to just sounds different, any advice?

[QUOTE=Bookie77;2559330]It doesn't matter if you carry a phone or wallet if you are in Poblado or Envigado. If they feel they can rob you they will. Keep in mind that it's just bad luck no matter if you have always had your guard on or not. Even cabs are not safe. They come with a bike they point a gun at you and they rob you. It's simple as that and it can happened to anyone no matter how cautious he is or not.[/QUOTE]Yup. I have a friend who was victim of the gun in taxi window robbery. I would say if you're walking, you can minimize your risk by being alert to anyone around you. But when you're stuck in a taxi, you're defenseless. Pure luck.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2559366]Guys I need a change of scenery. Been here since the beginning of April and there is no point in waiting for all the madness to end, lockdowns or no lockdowns I need to see somewhere different and random, any recommendations? I thinking of just booking a flight to Bucaramanga, why? I don't know, to just sounds different, any advice?[/QUOTE]Just as dangerous and fucked up, I have a girl in Buca who will not go out after dark. I always liked the Miraflores area of Lima a lot, the best food in South America but I have read the covid has fucked that up too. Maybe Panama, less covid a little safer!

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2559366]Guys I need a change of scenery. Been here since the beginning of April and there is no point in waiting for all the madness to end, lockdowns or no lockdowns I need to see somewhere different and random, any recommendations? I thinking of just booking a flight to Bucaramanga, why? I don't know, to just sounds different, any advice?[/QUOTE]Depends how you roll, if your into the street walkers, albeit very different than Medellin, perhaps Santa Marta, but you should read that forum, if not totally shutdown during the daytime / weekends it will be better than Bucaramanga. If your looking for a change of scenery with no mongering options, get on the bus and head to Santa Fe for a few days and take a Chica with you. I left when the weekend shutdowns began in April, which are hopefully over now, but I can see how it has gotten old with the lockdowns, the protests, and having to work around all the constraints associated with them.

As soon as COVID simmers down in Medellin, things will be back to what I considered normal which was up until the first week of April.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2559366]Guys I need a change of scenery. Been here since the beginning of April and there is no point in waiting for all the madness to end, lockdowns or no lockdowns I need to see somewhere different and random, any recommendations? I thinking of just booking a flight to Bucaramanga, why? I don't know, to just sounds different, any advice?[/QUOTE]JohnnyO,

The most stark difference in my life between countries was Finland and the Soviet Union in 1983. Second was Venezuela and Colombia in 2007. Third, and it saddens me to say this was gong to Mexico from Colombia last month. Yes, it really is that bad now.

If you want to play, head to Monterrey, Mexico City, or Guadalajara. If you want the beach life, take a gal from one of those cities to Cancun or take your favorite Colombian (or 3 or 4 or 5) to Mexico. There are slim picking in Cancun and prices are almost sex prison like for some pussy.

You should have no problem finding Colombian women jumping at the chance to leave. Wingo Airlines s flying non-stop round trip to Cancun from Medellin for around $300. Get an airBNB in Cancun or Playa Del Carmen for $50 a night and if you do take Colombian women, you can have the greatest orgies of your life, and the women will not want to leave.

I took a Colombian to Cancun, and she stayed longer in Cancun without my knowledge. LOL. Main thing is make sure the women are with you when you travel and enter Mexico and make sure the women do not look that slutty.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2559269]Very difficult to know what will work for another mongerer. I am not in Medellin now but I am getting daily updates from multiple sources. At the moment, feels like the worst has passed. But the situation is fluid and hard to say what it will be like by the time your dates roll around. Me personally, I would say now is not the season to discover Medellin for first time visitors. Experienced visitors, maybe. Different story. But first-timers, without contacts and some steady go-to girls you can trust? I would be hesistant. Who knows when things will get back to normal, or new normal, or whatever normal becomes, and that could support your decision to go ahead and pull the trigger and visit during your planned dates. Ultimately, your call. The other factor to consider is not just the chicas, but the more stressed the environment, the more dangerous it is for street crime, desperate acts and such. Think how you will feel if you come and something bad happens, you will be second guessing yourself for a long time after that.[/QUOTE]I have been in Medellin 5 times over last 3 years and still confused about going in first week of June. I have a stable of FB chicas but I am bored of them. Need new ones. I like streets, clubs and centro. With all that's happening I think having a buddy or two would help navigate the scene more safely. Anyone up for a trip in two weeks?

I am flexible with dates and contemplating a week's run.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2559376]JohnnyO,

The most stark difference in my life between countries was Finland and the Soviet Union in 1983. Second was Venezuela and Colombia in 2007. Third, and it saddens me to say this was gong to Mexico from Colombia last month. Yes, it really is that bad now.

If you want to play, head to Monterrey, Mexico City, or Guadalajara. If you want the beach life, take a gal from one of those cities to Cancun or take your favorite Colombian (or 3 or 4 or 5) to Mexico. There are slim picking in Cancun and prices are almost sex prison like for some pussy.

You should have no problem finding Colombian women jumping at the chance to leave. Wingo Airlines s flying non-stop round trip to Cancun from Medellin for around $300. Get an airBNB in Cancun or Playa Del Carmen for $50 a night and if you do take Colombian women, you can have the greatest orgies of your life, and the women will not want to leave.

I took a Colombian to Cancun, and she stayed longer in Cancun without my knowledge. LOL. Main thing is make sure the women are with you when you travel and enter Mexico and make sure the women do not look that slutty.[/QUOTE]It's no fun unless you have a slutty woman in tow!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2559376]JohnnyO, I took a Colombian to Cancun, and she stayed longer in Cancun without my knowledge. LOL. Main thing is make sure the women are with you when you travel and enter Mexico and make sure the women do not look that slutty.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2559374]Just as dangerous and fucked up, I have a girl in Buca who will not go out after dark. I always liked the Miraflores area of Lima a lot, the best food in South America but I have read the covid has fucked that up too. Maybe Panama, less covid a little safer![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2559375]Depends how you roll, if your into the street walkers, albeit very different than Medellin, perhaps Santa Marta, but you should read that forum, if not totally shutdown during the daytime / weekends it will be better than Bucaramanga. If your looking for a change of scenery with no mongering options, get on the bus and head to Santa Fe for a few days and take a Chica with you. I left when the weekend shutdowns began in April, which are hopefully over now, but I can see how it has gotten old with the lockdowns, the protests, and having to work around all the constraints associated with them.

As soon as COVID simmers down in Medellin, things will be back to what I considered normal which was up until the first week of April.[/QUOTE]Good advice. I do prefer street walkers but I won't be desperate for putang since there is so much in MDE, I just want to see something different and that was the whole point of stying here for months, to see more than just MDE but the whole place is so messed up right now. I had a few girls mention Santa Fe to me, seems like an interesting option as well.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2559386]I won't be desperate for putang since there is so much in MDE, I just want to see something different and that was the whole point of stying here for months, [/QUOTE]Head to Leticia and check out the Amazon.

In addition to robberies, be careful with gringos, including those in El Centro.

Some of them have mental problems, criminal records, drug problems, etc.

A few of them are extorted by the local gangs and they are informers for the latter.

You fine gentlemen that are in Medellin, do you think places will "reopen" regularly sometime in the next 2 months? I have a friend from there who says even though there are restrictions, the places still open like regular in Medellin, but obviously he is wrong after reading here. Just trying get a feel for what to expect when I'm there in July. And can someone correct me if I'm wrong here: reasonable price for a 9 or 10/10 for an hour is around 250 k-300 k pesos. If so what's the mileage? BBBJ usually accepted with that? Sorry for the questions. Trying to prepare adequately.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2559392]Head to Leticia and check out the Amazon.[/QUOTE]The pickings are very slim, err gorda in Leticia. Even worse on the Brazilian side. It's viable to transit, spend a day or two, but that's it.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2559386]Good advice. I do prefer street walkers but I won't be desperate for putang since there is so much in MDE, I just want to see something different and that was the whole point of stying here for months, to see more than just MDE but the whole place is so messed up right now. I had a few girls mention Santa Fe to me, seems like an interesting option as well.[/QUOTE]Jardin, Tamesis, and Caprugana.

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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2559385]It's no fun unless you have a slutty woman in tow![/QUOTE]More fun if it is slutty women. Read my report in seeking arrangements. I had a 4 some for 4 days.

[QUOTE=Yoyo2345;2559400]You fine gentlemen that are in Medellin, do you think places will "reopen" regularly sometime in the next 2 months? I have a friend from there who says even though there are restrictions, the places still open like regular in Medellin, but obviously he is wrong after reading here. Just trying get a feel for what to expect when I'm there in July. And can someone correct me if I'm wrong here: reasonable price for a 9 or 10/10 for an hour is around 250 k-300 k pesos. If so what's the mileage? BBBJ usually accepted with that? Sorry for the questions. Trying to prepare adequately.[/QUOTE]The difference between a 7 and a 9 or 10 usually comes down to make up and / or surgery. If the surgery was done at a butcher shop that 10 can turn into a 3 the moment the clothes come off. That said, the going rate is 150 mil plus maybe 20 for taxi or 200 mil all total, though there are some guys paying more. It's possible that the girl will turn down your offer if any real number of these suckers happen to be in town and on her radar, c'est la Vie. As to the BBBJ, most in the Facebook scene are good with this. If it's a deal breaker for you best to settle it upfront, or you can wait until she arrives and offer a tip (50 mil should do it) if she initially refuses. Good luck.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2559374]Just as dangerous and fucked up, I have a girl in Buca who will not go out after dark. I always liked the Miraflores area of Lima a lot, the best food in South America but I have read the covid has fucked that up too. Maybe Panama, less covid a little safer![/QUOTE]I personally don't recommend Panama. It's hot as hell and not safe. You find the same girls in Colombia but in Panama, you pay three time the price. La Bocatorena is the only affordable place but it is very crowded; and after 10 min in the back, your time is up.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2559521]I personally don't recommend Panama. It's hot as hell and not safe. You find the same girls in Colombia but in Panama, you pay three time the price. La Bocatorena is the only affordable place but it is very crowded; and after 10 min in the back, your time is up.[/QUOTE]I haven't been to Panama in a long time so my info is very dated, that's why I said maybe but thanks for the update. It just might be time to stop trying to talk ourselves into going on any trip. Just cool my jets and wait for real improvement to the situation before I start planning anything. When this Covid shit first hit I knew it would screw up our hobby, NEVER thinking it would go on this long or to this degree.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2559262]Which venues would you be referring too?

When Medellin is open, I can't think of another venue on the planet worth visiting.

This has been evidenced by the onslaught of gringos prior to the beginning of the weekend lockdowns in April.

Yes Mexico is open, but no comparison to Colombia in my book. And the DR is open albeit with loose curfews, but again no comparison to Colombia. Asia is dead, and whatever is going on in Europe, well it can't be compared to Colombia.

I think everyone on this board would like to know of other venues worth visiting, so if you have any suggestions, throw them out there.[/QUOTE]Well, I've been hangin out in Rio and it's pretty gooooood!

Girl who works there told me they are open til late again on the weekends. 4 am closing time with Paradise being open for after party if anyone is interested.

[QUOTE=Yoyo2345;2559350]Hi guys,

A group of 4 of us will be visiting Medellin for the first time for a week in during the beginning of July. I appreciate any help. Thank you![/QUOTE]Please pay for a membership so you can receive messages. Not going to post advice here but I will probably also be there.

Lets just say that I am happy with Medellin and all that it has to offer! Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2559551]Girl who works there told me they are open til late again on the weekends. 4 am closing time with Paradise being open for after party if anyone is interested.[/QUOTE]I might pop in! Is it safe there if I take a taxi straight in and from there?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2559376] Third, and it saddens me to say this was gong to Mexico from Colombia last month. Yes, it really is that bad now.

If you want to play, head to Monterrey, Mexico City, or Guadalajara. If you want the beach life, take a gal from one of those cities to Cancun or take your favorite Colombian (or 3 or 4 or 5) to Mexico. There are slim picking in Cancun and prices are almost sex prison like for some pussy.

Main thing is make sure the women are with you when you travel and enter Mexico and make sure the women do not look that slutty.[/QUOTE]What you have brought up is very true about how bad it's been in Colombia since the beginning of last month, with the concurrent surge and protests going on. And the stories of how guys are hopping around, dealing with time constraints, and other issues to monger in Colombia, which hopefully will end soon. I'm currently in Guadalajara and am headed to Puerto Vallarta tomorrow, and actually do have a Mexican "slutty woman" in toe, hehe, and like you have pointed out, Mexico is wide open, and encouraging and facilitating visitors to come with very few restrictions such as not requiring testing to enter. Tijuana is alive as well for cheap street pussy, and there are clubs to partake in there, yet pussy can be very expensive in the beach resorts like you mentioned.

As soon as the protests subside and the weekend lockowns cease, it's back to Medellin for me. I don't know what is is, but there is just something about the Colombian women, and your advice to import one with you to Mexico if a guy can afford isn't a bad idea at all, and might actually be cheaper, but not taking a harem like you do! LOL.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2559540]Well, I've been hangin out in Rio and it's pretty gooooood![/QUOTE]Rio (and Sao Paulo) are the best, but if you're worried about danger in Colombia, why would you think Brasil would be any safer? Both countries are going through rough times due to the pandemic and the economic fallout.

I am posting this again here as my original post got moved, I have retracted the initial part of the post.

The other day I couldn't find Sexy Fantasias inside Caracas Mall thingy. The description on the world traveller map says "On the second floor, across from the gym on the 2nd floor you will see a gate and a staircase, go up" so this is assuming you are already on the second floor? There was no way up to the second floor, there was a staircase that led to a barbers and another staircase with a shutter and then another with a gate, was that it? Can someone provide some more instruction, thanks. I sent them a what's app asking if they were operating and they said they were so I guess its still up and running but they did not seem to willing to help me find it.

My second choice was closed Club Paris, went by this twice on two separate afternoons, no bell no sign nothing. The door was locked shut. Went to club Amigas de sexy on 45, there also seems to be another listing on 58? Amigas on 45, friendly place but they only showed around 3-4 girls and they didn't look too great, one did but she was a bit miserable. I left, no charge for the presentation. Went back to my usual Dulce see, another awesome session.

Any more recommendations for casas?

Some people were asking about renting fincas outside of Medellin, I did it and it was fun but a lot of the towns are closed, meaning the airbnbs will not accept bookings or your booking could be cancelled due to covid measures or you may not be able to get a hotel.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2559636]Some people were asking about renting fincas outside of Medellin, I did it and it was fun but a lot of the towns are closed, meaning the airbnbs will not accept bookings or your booking could be cancelled due to covid measures or you may not be able to get a hotel.[/QUOTE]Good to know. Trip delayed Again!

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2559287]Also, the number of daily cases may have been reduced by half without the lockdowns. Everything is speculation because there are no re-dos in life. The daily case numbers dropped dramatically in the whole world after the holidays. In Florida, without lockdowns, daily new cases went down almost 60% between January 7 and February 7 of this year.[/QUOTE]Vaccines are the reason for the drops we have seen in most places.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2559296]I'm sure many for whatever reason want to believe the current restrictions are a waste of time. But the simple aim is to cut back spread some to relieve stress on the hospital systems. Naturally cases dropped in many countries after the holidays due to fewer large indoor gatherings. As to Florida, in January there was the post holiday drop plus amped up vaccine distribution. Not everything is pure speculation in science as it's possible to assess variables and trends.

[URL]https://www.flgov.com/2021/01/09/governor-ron-desantis-provides-update-on-covid-19-vaccine-distribution-efforts/[/URL][/QUOTE]Agreed 100%.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2559303]JI,

Lockdowns do not work if you do not have the support of the population, and Colombians are done listening to their government. See the link: [URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/mass-protests-brought-on-by-covid-19-woes-paralyze-colombian-city-11620849287[/URL] Here are quotes from the article:.[/QUOTE]We are on the same page on this. Where I live: the people are on board and supportive of the measures so it all worked well. We're open, basically no virus here and more than 1/2 the people fully vaxxed. 2 months ago it was a total shit show-curfews, lockdown and 1 out of 17 people with with Corona or quarantined because of direct contact with a positive case. Now, not a single person over 65 tested positive in 4+ weeks (they are vaccinated!) and only a small handful of cases left with nobody in the hospital due to covid-19 because the people supported the government rules and followed the science.

The US should have already sent 100 million vaccines to Colombia in exchange for some cheap oil, coffee, bananas and avocados. Everyone wins.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2558227]I am seeing a big jump in flights pricing from Midwest to MDE or BOG for travel in June. At least 200 plus. What used to be around 300 is now 550 round trip for a week trip.

What are you guys seeing?[/QUOTE]Not sure why your prices are up but I read an article today saying lots of flights to and from Latin America are up because of all the Latinos going on Vaccine vacation to the USA and Obvio return. If they have a visa they can come to the USA and get vaccinated, only need a visa. Google Vaccine vacations.

[QUOTE=Combo;2559618]Rio (and Sao Paulo) are the best, but if you're worried about danger in Colombia, why would you think Brasil would be any safer? Both countries are going through rough times due to the pandemic and the economic fallout.[/QUOTE]First of all I never said I was worried about danger in Colombia.

I just said I was in Rio and that it's good.

They're also not rioting, protesting or burning things up in Brazil.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2559636]I am posting this again here as my original post got moved, I have retracted the initial part of the post.

The other day I couldn't find Sexy Fantasias inside Caracas Mall thingy. The description on the world traveller map says "On the second floor, across from the gym on the 2nd floor you will see a gate and a staircase, go up" so this is assuming you are already on the second floor? There was no way up to the second floor, there was a staircase that led to a barbers and another staircase with a shutter and then another with a gate, was that it? Can someone provide some more instruction, thanks. I sent them a what's app asking if they were operating and they said they were so I guess its still up and running but they did not seem to willing to help me find it.

My second choice was closed Club Paris, went by this twice on two separate afternoons, no bell no sign nothing. The door was locked shut. Went to club Amigas de sexy on 45, there also seems to be another listing on 58? Amigas on 45, friendly place but they only showed around 3-4 girls and they didn't look too great, one did but she was a bit miserable. I left, no charge for the presentation. Went back to my usual Dulce see, another awesome session.

Any more recommendations for casas?

Some people were asking about renting fincas outside of Medellin, I did it and it was fun but a lot of the towns are closed, meaning the airbnbs will not accept bookings or your booking could be cancelled due to covid measures or you may not be able to get a hotel.[/QUOTE]Sexy Fantasias is the one that is upstairs from [URL]Chicaspunto.com[/URL] and doesn't really operate anymore, but if you were in the right place you would have passed the chicaspuntocom, this places has a lot of girls inside, and guys are out on the street in front of the entrance everyday handing out cards and saying that there are girls inside. If you are at Parque Bolivar on the side furthest from the church and fountain you turn right and walk about a block or a block and a half, on the left hadn't side you can see were the guys are standing in front of the entrance handing out cards, and then some shops selling herbs and natural medicines. Club Paris is maybe closed now, I don't know for awhile they had a sign on the door with a number to call first and then they would let you in, then they were open normally again and now the last few times I passed it was as you mentioned, so not really sure. Really there are usually only 3-5 girls there, it is friendly but you are not really missing much by not being able to visit. I like Dulce compania as you mentioned, Aiffe can be good, and Zandalay has quite a few cute girls as well, and since they are all quite nearby definitely worth checking them all out. Amigas can be hit or miss, but usually there are more than 3-4 girls available, like I would say 8-10 normally so maybe worth having another look at some point.

[QUOTE=SeanWilkds;2559825]Sexy Fantasias is the one that is upstairs from [URL]Chicaspunto.com[/URL] and doesn't really operate anymore, but if you were in the right place you would have passed the chicaspuntocom, this places has a lot of girls inside, and guys are out on the street in front of the entrance everyday handing out cards and saying that there are girls inside. If you are at Parque Bolivar on the side furthest from the church and fountain you turn right and walk about a block or a block and a half, on the left hadn't side you can see were the guys are standing in front of the entrance handing out cards, and then some shops selling herbs and natural medicines. Club Paris is maybe closed now, I don't know for awhile they had a sign on the door with a number to call first and then they would let you in, then they were open normally again and now the last few times I passed it was as you mentioned, so not really sure. Really there are usually only 3-5 girls there, it is friendly but you are not really missing much by not being able to visit. I like Dulce compania as you mentioned, Aiffe can be good, and Zandalay has quite a few cute girls as well, and since they are all quite nearby definitely worth checking them all out. Amigas can be hit or miss, but usually there are more than 3-4 girls available, like I would say 8-10 normally so maybe worth having another look at some point.[/QUOTE]Club Paris is closed, I asked a chica who was working there and she indicated it was shut down and she now works at another place.

I agree, Dulce and Zandalay's are two of the best clubs in that area. While Aiffe used to be great with a good number (10+) a couple of years back, its now only 3-6 girls and has gone downhill in the recent past.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2559970]Club Paris is closed, I asked a chica who was working there and she indicated it was shut down and she now works at another place.

I agree, Dulce and Zandalay's are two of the best clubs in that area. While Aiffe used to be great with a good number (10+) a couple of years back, its now only 3-6 girls and has gone downhill in the recent past.[/QUOTE]Is Loutron still open? Anyone have info?

[QUOTE=Balboa;2559736]First of all I never said I was worried about danger in Colombia.

I just said I was in Rio and that it's good.

They're also not rioting, protesting or burning things up in Brazil.

Enjoy![/QUOTE]Sorry for the misunderstanding. You're right, things seem more dangerous in Colombia now than in Brasil. I'm not sure I'd venture to either country now. Selfishly, I hope things settle down by next Winter which is when I usually travel anyway, but feel bad for the people there.

[QUOTE=RealShaun;2560190]Is Loutron still open? Anyone have info?[/QUOTE]As of January it was.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2520198&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2520198.

I can't figure out why these folks keep getting robbed in Poblado. They must not be blending in right. At least they caught 6 of the 12 bandits.

[URL]https://www.minuto30.com/robo-conjunto-residencial-el-poblado/1240322/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3qoIVLOQrqleh91Qb7gpYsE1GsOfc2pvPoVTqpufS8NPHLkoE-BhlLN8g[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2560364]I can't figure out why these folks keep getting robbed in Poblado. They must not be blending in right. At least they caught 6 of the 12 bandits.

[URL]https://www.minuto30.com/robo-conjunto-residencial-el-poblado/1240322/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3qoIVLOQrqleh91Qb7gpYsE1GsOfc2pvPoVTqpufS8NPHLkoE-BhlLN8g[/URL][/QUOTE]Hard to blend in while living in a mansion.

Protests are continuing across the country and in Medellin. Reports of big protests in Robledo yesterday and blocking of tunnels from airport to the city.

Where is the end in sight? Does anyone think people will keep protesting until May 2022 election?

Earphones.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2560364]I can't figure out why these folks keep getting robbed in Poblado. They must not be blending in right. At least they caught 6 of the 12 bandits.

[URL]https://www.minuto30.com/robo-conjunto-residencial-el-poblado/1240322/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3qoIVLOQrqleh91Qb7gpYsE1GsOfc2pvPoVTqpufS8NPHLkoE-BhlLN8g[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2560364]I can't figure out why these folks keep getting robbed in Poblado. They must not be blending in right. At least they caught 6 of the 12 bandits.

[URL]https://www.minuto30.com/robo-conjunto-residencial-el-poblado/1240322/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3qoIVLOQrqleh91Qb7gpYsE1GsOfc2pvPoVTqpufS8NPHLkoE-BhlLN8g[/URL][/QUOTE]Blending in, is not a preventative measure. Mr. E it's the sign of the times. I still love Colombia and I will continue to visit regularly until my novia and Mother re-locate to the USA but Thousands of Colombians get robbed everyday and they blend in! I have been traveling to Colombia pretty much exclusively for the last ten years now. I've only been robbed once and that was by the maintenance man in my hotel, a sneak thief, I have been the exception not rule. The sad part of all this turmoil in Colombia is what was.

ONCE SAFE IS NO LONGER. If your not careful and you spend considerable time in any city in Colombia, you get robbed. Ask Woodman, who I know and know him to be a very savvy guy and they got him. Colombia, Bogota, even in upscale El Poblado, it's not the same anymore.

I marked them closed, for now. Who know they may reopen, some day.

How about checking this place:

[B]Fantasias Erotic Massage Parlor[/B]

Calle 54 #49-57. __ Chicas. Prices: _ Tel: 034 231 8353. Hours: _ [URL]https://www.cloudigirl.com/porn/fantasias-erotic-massage-parlor-medellin-034-231-8353.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2559636]I am posting this again here as my original post got moved, I have retracted the initial part of the post.

The other day I couldn't find Sexy Fantasias inside Caracas Mall thingy. The description on the world traveller map says "On the second floor, across from the gym on the 2nd floor you will see a gate and a staircase, go up" so this is assuming you are already on the second floor? There was no way up to the second floor, there was a staircase that led to a barbers and another staircase with a shutter and then another with a gate, was that it? Can someone provide some more instruction, thanks. I sent them a what's app asking if they were operating and they said they were so I guess its still up and running but they did not seem to willing to help me find it.

My second choice was closed Club Paris, went by this twice on two separate afternoons, no bell no sign nothing. The door was locked shut. Went to club Amigas de sexy on 45, there also seems to be another listing on 58? Amigas on 45, friendly place but they only showed around 3-4 girls and they didn't look too great, one did but she was a bit miserable. I left, no charge for the presentation. Went back to my usual Dulce see, another awesome session.

Any more recommendations for casas?

Some people were asking about renting fincas outside of Medellin, I did it and it was fun but a lot of the towns are closed, meaning the airbnbs will not accept bookings or your booking could be cancelled due to covid measures or you may not be able to get a hotel.[/QUOTE]

Well it was announced that the current COVID preventive measures that were in place during the last week, meaning daily curfew 10 PM to 5 AM with no weekend lockdown will be in place thru at least next weekend. I'm pulling the plug and returning this coming weekend and keeping my fingers crossed that the total weekend lockdowns won't be started back up, and the protests / blockades & mayhem will subside as well.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2560474]Well it was announced that the current COVID preventive measures that were in place during the last week, meaning daily curfew 10 PM to 5 AM with no weekend lockdown will be in place thru at least next weekend. I'm pulling the plug and returning this coming weekend and keeping my fingers crossed that the total weekend lockdowns won't be started back up, and the protests / blockades & mayhem will subside as well.[/QUOTE]Yikes I'm having second thoughts now about returning, and am going to wait until Friday to decide, Duque has ordered the maximum deployment of the country's military and police forces to clear roads blocked by protesters to help regain mobility, albeit this could kindle more violence, and more protests are scheduled for Wednesday. Bad enough having to navigate with the COVID restrictions, and now all this protest shit which is like throwing gasoline on the fire.

Here is an article in today's paper.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2560558]Yikes I'm having second thoughts now about returning, and am going to wait until Friday to decide, Duque has ordered the maximum deployment of the country's military and police forces to clear roads blocked by protesters to help regain mobility, albeit this could kindle more violence, and more protests are scheduled for Wednesday. Bad enough having to navigate with the COVID restrictions, and now all this protest shit which is like throwing gasoline on the fire.[/QUOTE]I was told today that A National Strike is scheduled for tomorrow, It will be telling if the masses are tiring of the movement or more energized. May be an indicator of what's in store for us guys going to Colombia in the next few weeks.

Isn't that the address of chicaspuntocom?

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2560464]I marked them closed, for now. Who know they may reopen, some day.

How about checking this place:

[B]Fantasias Erotic Massage Parlor[/B]

Calle 54 #49-57. __ Chicas. Prices: _ Tel: 034 231 8353. Hours: _ [URL]https://www.cloudigirl.com/porn/fantasias-erotic-massage-parlor-medellin-034-231-8353.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo;2560263]Sorry for the misunderstanding. You're right, things seem more dangerous in Colombia now than in Brasil. I'm not sure I'd venture to either country now. Selfishly, I hope things settle down by next Winter which is when I usually travel anyway, but feel bad for the people there.[/QUOTE]Aww no biggie. I hope to get back to Colombia soon as well.

For now, Rio is pretty chill, and suits me fine.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2560558]Yikes I'm having second thoughts now about returning, and am going to wait until Friday to decide, Duque has ordered the maximum deployment of the country's military and police forces to clear roads blocked by protesters to help regain mobility, albeit this could kindle more violence, and more protests are scheduled for Wednesday. Bad enough having to navigate with the COVID restrictions, and now all this protest shit which is like throwing gasoline on the fire.[/QUOTE]The "fiesta" has been going on for a while now and when it stops, the Colombian people will have a bad hangover with the economy in tailspin.

Duque talks a lot but he is not putting teeth to his words and it sounds nobody is in control now; no pilot in the plane. They may well end up with a dictator like Maduro or Pinochet.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2560756]The "fiesta" has been going on for a while now and when it stops, the Colombian people will have a bad hangover with the economy in tailspin.

Duque talks a lot but he is not putting teeth to his words and it sounds nobody is in control now; no pilot in the plane. They may well end up with a dictator like Maduro or Pinochet.[/QUOTE]It does look like socialism will take over in Colombia soon, when that happens its bye bye p4p. Enjoy it now while you have it.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2560464]I marked them closed, for now. Who know they may reopen, some day.

How about checking this place:

[B]Fantasias Erotic Massage Parlor[/B]

Calle 54 #49-57. __ Chicas. Prices: _ Tel: 034 231 8353. Hours: _ [URL]https://www.cloudigirl.com/porn/fantasias-erotic-massage-parlor-medellin-034-231-8353.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]I finally found it inside Caracas Mall / Boulevard. The instructions on the map are confusing. Easy way to find it, coming from Parque Bolivar when you swing left into Caracas mall its the first staircase on the left with a gate. Service ok but I don't like being told everything is "adicional" when your on the job. 50 K 30 min.

The amount of no shows I have had in the past few days has been truly shocking, Mil Eroticas girls who I have met before and ones I have not. When an appointment is made they usually ask me to confirm 20 min before, then I get to the location and I am told they are not there and they go silent. I suspect they are using a bait and switch because when I get they there is someone expecting me and I get offered another girl but there is no way I am going to operate like that I don't care how hot the other girl is.

I think this is what Eros spa is also doing because the amount of hot girls they have on Mil Eroticas is quite a lot, you can even what's app them but when another BM chose a girl and went there, surprise surprise she was not available. The thing is if you just show up to Eros spa you will normally get presented with 4-6 miserable looking whales, so where are all these hot girls they are advertising?

Anyway I have also had regular girls who I have met before do no shows, a girl who works in Zandaly that previously promised she would not do a no show again do the same and the list goes on.

Why these girls can't send a simple message to cancel is unbelievable, they just go completely off the radar and then a few days later I get "Hola mi amor Como estas? I thought Thai girls were bad for this but at least they will eventually show up, Colombianas take this to a whole new level.

It isn't just a simple as them not showing up, I'm normally make sure I am in my apartment a few hours before and then there is the waiting after the time and I will usually turn a few other girls away that want to visit. Por Dios, I am going to step away from making appointments for a few days.

If any of you BM's can recommend a reliable chica please PM me.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2560826]It does look like socialism will take over in Colombia soon, when that happens its bye bye p4p. Enjoy it now while you have it.[/QUOTE]Why? Cuba and Venezuela are socialist and prostitution is rampant.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2552144]Are readily available, just ask & bring your bankroll, anything and everything is possible in Medellin. Pollo Negro Is Out![/QUOTE]I'm used to go every year in Thailand because I love that girls! And because they all accept BBFS.

But this time, I'll go probably in Colombia because Thailand will stay probably closed because of Covid.

Do you think, girls in Colombia accept bareback? Of course I can pay extra for this!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2560826]It does look like socialism will take over in Colombia soon, when that happens its bye bye p4p. Enjoy it now while you have it.[/QUOTE]What's your definition of socialism?

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2560832]
The amount of no shows I have had in the past few days has been truly shocking, Mil Eroticas girls who I have met before and ones I have not. When an appointment is made they usually ask me to confirm 20 min before, then I get to the location and I am told they are not there and they go silent. I suspect they are using a bait and switch because when I get they there is someone expecting me and I get offered another girl but there is no way I am going to operate like that I don't care how hot the other girl is.

I think this is what Eros spa is also doing because the amount of hot girls they have on Mil Eroticas is quite a lot, you can even what's app them but when another BM chose a girl and went there, surprise surprise she was not available. The thing is if you just show up to Eros spa you will normally get presented with 4-6 miserable looking whales, so where are all these hot girls they are advertising?
[/QUOTE]Also, you have to understand the number you message is most likely from a manager. She will book the time and try to find if the girl is available. With current situation in Medellin, most girls posted on Mileroticos might not be there in house, unless you go to a casa and get a line up.

[QUOTE=TDC985;2560864]Also, you have to understand the number you message is most likely from a manager. She will book the time and try to find if the girl is available. With current situation in Medellin, most girls posted on Mileroticos might not be there in house, unless you go to a casa and get a line up.[/QUOTE]I think your absolutely right. Obviously the girls that work as part of mileroticas are not writing the ads, that much seems kinda obvious and now that you mention it makes sense that the number is probably one single manager. When I went to see a repeat girl this morning I messeged to say I was there and few seconds later a random girl comes out and says xxxx is not here. Go figure.

I made a post a couple of weeks back saying that I had a good run on mileroticas but that seems to be changing.

First time poster, and I'm still learning how to use this site. Any tips are welcome.

I'm new to Colombia, and wow, the women are beautiful. Seeking is a gold mine. The ratio of women to men is like 10 to 1 or something. There are too many girls reaching out for me to keep up with. Most want allowances or novios, but there are many who don't, who just get turned on by the thought of being with someone higher class. I take them to dinner, and they end up in my bed. It's great.

One girl started messaging me really sexual stuff right away, so I thought she was a scammer or something. We ended up meeting, and she's a crazy nympho. She wanted it three times in 12 hours. We fucked, slept, fucked again, went to breakfast, and fucked again. I couldn't come the third time, but she gave me a blowjob for like 30 minutes and I finally finished in her mouth. She brought toys too. At the end she did ask if I would be able to help her financially, and of course I did. A lot more intimate and a better deal than the street walkers.

I met another girl, and we went away for the weekend to escape the lockdown. Wow, I think she has the best ass I've ever seen, and her pussy was like a drug to me. I don't know if it's something about our chemistry or what, but it tasted and smelled so good. I couldn't get enough. And eating her from behind with her amazing ass made me feel like a porn star. After amazing sex, we spooned with her ass right against me. I kept asking myself how I got here and if this was real life. The bad thing is she has caught on to how much I like her and is starting to ask for more money--like a lot more. On the the next I guess.

Anyway, Medellin is a special place. I'm having the best sex of my life. I'm not a bad looking guy, but I'm a little shy, so I have a hard time finding easy sex in the states.

A few questions:

Sometimes I just like to get a good erotic massage. Are there places? I went to one called Blue Room or something, but it didn't seem to be open. They were unresponsive on their Whatsapp too.

Anyone know about Haven hotel? One of the reviews says you can bring a guest, but I wasn't sure if it was one guest at a time or one guest during your entire time. I would like a pool. I've been using Airbnbs.

Is the Mansion really that good? Should I be staying there?

Thanks in advance. I'm happy to share anything I can to help.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2560832]Anyway I have also had regular girls who I have met before do no shows, a girl who works in Zandaly that previously promised she would not do a no show again do the same and the list goes on.

Why these girls can't send a simple message to cancel is unbelievable, they just go completely off the radar and then a few days later I get "Hola mi amor Como estas? I thought Thai girls were bad for this but at least they will eventually show up, Colombianas take this to a whole new level.

It isn't just a simple as them not showing up, I'm normally make sure I am in my apartment a few hours before and then there is the waiting after the time and I will usually turn a few other girls away that want to visit. Por Dios, I am going to step away from making appointments for a few days.

If any of you BM's can recommend a reliable chica please PM me.[/QUOTE]In reference to the "regular girls" you mentioned, and the no shows, seems odd that they would pass up an opportunity to make some money during the Pandemic, but you have to keep in mind that most Colombian's, at least the ones that work, live in the moment, and have little to no time management skills, are constantly late, and can't manage money. So yes, they can be very flaky and if you have been turning some away, perhaps double book some of these Chicas and then you can flake out on them. I'm assuming your using Whatsapp, so you should easily be able to notify them that your cancelling if they are a certain amount of time late in showing up. Schedule one Chica for say 1 PM and another one for 2 PM, make them all reconfirm 1/2 hour before arrival. If they don't reconfirm 1/2 hour before the appointment, send them a Whatsapp and if they don't respond cancel, and hopefully the next one won't flake out. And if the first one shows up on time just cancel the other one.

As far as anybody making a recommendation for a "reliable chica", the reality is that what one guy likes you won't like, and guys recommending other Chicas to guys with the Chicas permission of course typically doesn't work out well for many reasons, nor would most guys want to share their Chicas with anyone.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2560826]It does look like socialism will take over in Colombia soon, when that happens its bye bye p4p. Enjoy it now while you have it.[/QUOTE]LOL, no. P4P won't go away but I am concerned that it may get less gringo-friendly.

Went on a tourist walking tour around centro in part to do some tourist stuff and in part to see centro in the safety of a group. At the beginning of the tour I saw this really cute, school girl type girl dressed in a short skirt that was probably a prepago but I didn't talk to her because she was talking to a police officer and I didn't want to get outed as a monger in the tour. Fortunately the tour had a twenty minute break around Plaza Botero and the guide openly said that there were WGs around the church so I decided to check it out. The area is not exactly safe but I don't think it is the same level of danger as something like Santa Fe in Bogota. Police presence seemed lighter than it should be but there are a ton of people, restaurants, touts etc. Around so while you could get unlucky and get robbed, I think the most likely fear is pickpocketing, at least during the day. Felt kind of a like a slightly grittier version of Plaza Bolivar in Bogota. Saw a couple cute girls around and it is probably worth the prices discussed previously on the forum at least based on appearance. Considering checking out the scene later during my time here.

Felt like going to a massage place and Jade Palace was close to my hotel. Buzzed in to the building, spa is in the second floor and met with the receptionist. Saw the line-up, 4 girls all in the 5/6 range. In retrospect, I probably should have just left there with the quality of the girls all over Medellin but I was lazy and really didn't feel like taking a taxi to another place or waiting for the area around Parque Lleras to pick up. Picked Mary who was kind of chubby but otherwise at a decent looking face. Asked for a shower and started the massage. Had the flip and negotiated 50 K for OWO. She did a pretty good job with OWO and I ended up cumming due to it. Cleaned up and she continued the massage since I had time left. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get hard in time for a fuck session but honestly she really wasn't hot enough for me to regret much. At the hour, got dressed and left. Generally good and friendly customer service but honestly unless you are really lazy like I was, there are much better options around. Cost was 160 K for the massage (which includes sex, massage and CBJ)+50 K for OWO.

Went down to parque lleras around 5:30 to see if there was any action there but didn't really see much. Decided to go down again at around 8:00 and saw the action kick off. I really wasn't in the mood for any action after Jade Palace so I decided to make this more of a scouting trip. The park had a couple of girls around but nothing was a must smash. Also stopped by Club Gusto at the behest of a tout since it was no cover. Bought a beer for 20 K and looked around for the talent. Girls were mostly 7's, in my opinion, with the occasional 6 or 8 around. Honestly I think some of the staff were closer to 8's but I don't think they are on the menu. There were a couple other mongers around but the ratio was like 5:1 chicas to mongers. Wasn't planning on doing anything so just left after seeing the eye candy. The club wasn't pushy about buying anything and the girls seemed mostly content on talking with each other. A couple of girls tried to show off a bit as I passed by but as a whole I was disinterested and left.

Honestly, I think YyzTravel's guide a couple pages back (Thank you so much for this, it is incredibly useful) is spot on and I will be investing some time into getting some facebook girls for my next trip.

I have a couple of questions related to the curfew / hotels:

1. For girls you find at the clubs or around Parque Lleras, do you take them back to you hotel or are there some motels in the area that can be used? I am kind of concerned if I use a motel in the area I can't come back before the curfew hits.

2. For clubs like La Isla, Fase II etc. , are there taxis and ways to get back before the curfew hits at 10? And do the clubs actually close? I am kind of concerned about getting stuck / price gauged at a club or being forced to pay the fine for breaking curfew.

Thanks.

Also PM me if anyone is looking for a buddy to go mongering with in the evenings to either Parque Lleras or some of the clubs this week. I find it is safer and more fun than mongering solo.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2560832]I finally found it inside Caracas Mall / Boulevard. The instructions on the map are confusing. Easy way to find it, coming from Parque Bolivar when you swing left into Caracas mall its the first staircase on the left with a gate. Service ok but I don't like being told everything is "adicional" when your on the job. 50 K 30 min.

The amount of no shows I have had in the past few days has been truly shocking, Mil Eroticas girls who I have met before and ones I have not. When an appointment is made they usually ask me to confirm 20 min before, then I get to the location and I am told they are not there and they go silent. I suspect they are using a bait and switch because when I get they there is someone expecting me and I get offered another girl but there is no way I am going to operate like that I don't care how hot the other girl is.

I think this is what Eros spa is also doing because the amount of hot girls they have on Mil Eroticas is quite a lot, you can even what's app them but when another BM chose a girl and went there, surprise surprise she was not available. The thing is if you just show up to Eros spa you will normally get presented with 4-6 miserable looking whales, so where are all these hot girls they are advertising?

Anyway I have also had regular girls who I have met before do no shows, a girl who works in Zandaly that previously promised she would not do a no show again do the same and the list goes on.

Why these girls can't send a simple message to cancel is unbelievable, they just go completely off the radar and then a few days later I get "Hola mi amor Como estas? I thought Thai girls were bad for this but at least they will eventually show up, Colombianas take this to a whole new level.

It isn't just a simple as them not showing up, I'm normally make sure I am in my apartment a few hours before and then there is the waiting after the time and I will usually turn a few other girls away that want to visit. Por Dios, I am going to step away from making appointments for a few days.

If any of you BM's can recommend a reliable chica please PM me.[/QUOTE]That can be really frustrating. Rio was famous for a terma girl not showing up at my apartment after work. So I started double booking and sometimes triple. Make 2 or 3 dates 1 hour apart, when the first girl texts you she's on the way, cancel the others. At least you will end up with at least one date and not ruin your whole night.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2560844]I'm used to go every year in Thailand because I love that girls! And because they all accept BBFS.

But this time, I'll go probably in Colombia because Thailand will stay probably closed because of Covid.

Do you think, girls in Colombia accept bareback? Of course I can pay extra for this![/QUOTE]Money makes everything possible in Medellin, Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=HughJass;2560879]

A few questions:

Sometimes I just like to get a good erotic massage. Are there places? I went to one called Blue Room or something, but it didn't seem to be open. They were unresponsive on their Whatsapp too.

Anyone know about Haven hotel? One of the reviews says you can bring a guest, but I wasn't sure if it was one guest at a time or one guest during your entire time. I would like a pool. I've been using Airbnbs.

Is the Mansion really that good? Should I be staying there?

Thanks in advance. I'm happy to share anything I can to help.[/QUOTE]Great first post Hugh! Welcome to the forum.

No idea on massages. Not my thing.

The hotel Haven has a pretty chica friendly policy. My understanding is that it's one chica at a time without a limit per day or per stay. I didn't stay there myself but I know someone who always stays there.

I wouldn't stay at the mansion if you already have any contacts in Medellin. Room prices are high for basic lodging because chicas are available on site. But most are not as hot as you probably found on SA. The mansion is a great place for first timers or guys with no Spanish. And for guys that like to have other gringo friends around to talk with. It's a very friendly atmosphere.

And regarding how to use this website you should pay for a full membership. Much info is exchanged by private messages and you need a paid membership for that.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2560953]And regarding how to use this website you should pay for a full membership. Much info is exchanged by private messages and you need a paid membership for that.[/QUOTE]I want to pay for the membership, but I'm a little nervous about having a transaction from my BTC wallet to this site's wallet on the blockchain, which could easily be tracked to my real identity. I wish they accepted a more private cryptocurrency. I guess I'll just need to purchase some BTC in more discrete way. Thanks for your response!

Hey guys,

If someone does not mind, could you give me the run down of La Isla. What to expect to spend? How much to take an 10/10 to the back? What's the expected tip for the dancers? How much is a beer? How much a lap dance? I'll be there in July and just want to know what to expect. I speak Spanish, so communication not an issue. I just don't want to spend more than needed. Thanks guys. Feel free to PM me if you want.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2560953]Great first post Hugh! Welcome to the forum.

No idea on massages. Not my thing.

The hotel Haven has a pretty chica friendly policy. My understanding is that it's one chica at a time without a limit per day or per stay. I didn't stay there myself but I know someone who always stays there.

I wouldn't stay at the mansion if you already have any contacts in Medellin. Room prices are high for basic lodging because chicas are available on site. But most are not as hot as you probably found on SA. The mansion is a great place for first timers or guys with no Spanish. And for guys that like to have other gringo friends around to talk with. It's a very friendly atmosphere.

And regarding how to use this website you should pay for a full membership. Much info is exchanged by private messages and you need a paid membership for that.[/QUOTE]The Mansion is just like you said. I like staying there just to BS with other guys to pass the time between sessions. You can get lots of contacts staying there. Go to Rio Sur Mall in Poblado off of 43 a. There are at least 3 massage places there for men. I use OM Spa for men. About 120 k / hour legit massage, then optional happy ending, prices vary by each girl, 40 k on up.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2560938]Make 2 or 3 dates 1 hour apart, when the first girl texts you she's on the way, cancel the others. At least you will end up with at least one date and not ruin your whole night.[/QUOTE]Until this happens:

[QUOTE=Tochka;2560085]Today finally connected up with chica that sent ten taxi photos and a was a no show twice. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2560844]I'm used to go every year in Thailand because I love that girls! And because they all accept BBFS.

But this time, I'll go probably in Colombia because Thailand will stay probably closed because of Covid.

Do you think, girls in Colombia accept bareback? Of course I can pay extra for this![/QUOTE]And just about any other extras you can think of, e. G. Fotos, I want to suck your toes, etc. Offer 50 mil COP extra for the bareback, if she's really hot you may have to go to 100.

And / or you may want to try this strategy. Believe it or not, some of the chicas are concerned more with their avoidance of STD"s than the money. How do I Know this? I know of at least two girls who will insist on a recent STD screening text, and if it's all good, then they don't charge extra. That approach at first blush may sound a little compulsive, but it pays for itself after 2-3 girls. Something to consider. Have fun!

[QUOTE=HughJass;2560879]First time poster, and I'm still learning how to use this site. Any tips are welcome.

I'm new to Colombia, and wow, the women are beautiful. Seeking is a gold mine. The ratio of women to men is like 10 to 1 or something. There are too many girls reaching out for me to keep up with. Most want allowances or novios, but there are many who don't, who just get turned on by the thought of being with someone higher class. I take them to dinner, and they end up in my bed. It's great.

One girl started messaging me really sexual stuff right away, so I thought she was a scammer or something. We ended up meeting, and she's a crazy nympho. She wanted it three times in 12 hours. We fucked, slept, fucked again, went to breakfast, and fucked again. I couldn't come the third time, but she gave me a blowjob for like 30 minutes and I finally finished in her mouth. She brought toys too. At the end she did ask if I would be able to help her financially, and of course I did. A lot more intimate and a better deal than the street walkers.

I met another girl, and we went away for the weekend to escape the lockdown. Wow, I think she has the best ass I've ever seen, and her pussy was like a drug to me. I don't know if it's something about our chemistry or what, but it tasted and smelled so good. I couldn't get enough. And eating her from behind with her amazing ass made me feel like a porn star. After amazing sex, we spooned with her ass right against me. I kept asking myself how I got here and if this was real life. The bad thing is she has caught on to how much I like her and is starting to ask for more money--like a lot more. On the the next I guess.

Anyway, Medellin is a special place. I'm having the best sex of my life. I'm not a bad looking guy, but I'm a little shy, so I have a hard time finding easy sex in the states..[/QUOTE]I tried seeking here in Medellin back almost 4 years ago and had great success as I met some real sweeties on it but now don't see the need to pay the $100 USD a month as even if I had 10 dicks I could never keep up with the pussy available to me.

Yes sounds like you just got awakened to the sensual pleasures of Colombian women, great but never forget that "she is not your girl rather it is just your turn", enjoy!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Yoyo2345;2561011]Hey guys,

If someone does not mind, could you give me the run down of La Isla. What to expect to spend? How much to take an 10/10 to the back? What's the expected tip for the dancers? How much is a beer? How much a lap dance? I'll be there in July and just want to know what to expect. I speak Spanish, so communication not an issue. I just don't want to spend more than needed. Thanks guys. Feel free to PM me if you want.[/QUOTE]Basically it is a clip joint strip club / brothel, not my thing anymore but have been many times in years gone bye (last visit was about 5 months back) and have had fucked on site and also taken a number of them back to my apartment but just too much effort and hassle and cost and now I have so much pussy available that I only go if a tourist friend just has to experience it.

Here is a brief run down. It cost like 20 mil to enter, drinks are very expensive, to fuck for like 45 minutes in an room on-site is like 320 mil, every chicas will come by your seat and ask for tips or drinks or to fuck, yes there are some cuties but lots of make-up and hair-do's and fancy dresses, well I am in for the girl next door look and you will be hard pressed to find it here.

Bottles are expensive but you will get instant attention from the chicas. If you want a special night and maybe if you have a special occasion figure 800 plus to have a table and tips and one fuck with your chica. You only live once as they say!

Much love to all!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2561030]And just about any other extras you can think of, e. G. Fotos, I want to suck your toes, etc. Offer 50 mil COP extra for the bareback, if she's really hot you may have to go to 100.

And / or you may want to try this strategy. Believe it or not, some of the chicas are concerned more with their avoidance of STD"s than the money. How do I Know this? I know of at least two girls who will insist on a recent STD screening text, and if it's all good, then they don't charge extra. That approach at first blush may sound a little compulsive, but it pays for itself after 2-3 girls. Something to consider. Have fun![/QUOTE]Yeah its def available, just be smart if you see anysigns, I know one dude got gonorrhea half way through his trip LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2561029]Until this happens:[/QUOTE]LOL I usually tell them to let me know when their ready and call them a didi. That way I can track it.

[QUOTE=Yoyo2345;2561011]Hey guys,

If someone does not mind, could you give me the run down of La Isla. What to expect to spend? How much to take an 10/10 to the back? What's the expected tip for the dancers? How much is a beer? How much a lap dance? I'll be there in July and just want to know what to expect. I speak Spanish, so communication not an issue. I just don't want to spend more than needed. Thanks guys. Feel free to PM me if you want.[/QUOTE]I'm landing Monday and probably heading there Monday or Tuesday, I'll let you know how it goes.

[QUOTE=Yoyo2345;2561011]Hey guys,

If someone does not mind, could you give me the run down of La Isla. What to expect to spend? How much to take an 10/10 to the back? What's the expected tip for the dancers? How much is a beer? How much a lap dance? I'll be there in July and just want to know what to expect. I speak Spanish, so communication not an issue. I just don't want to spend more than needed. Thanks guys. Feel free to PM me if you want.[/QUOTE]300 mil to take them to one of the rooms and fuck for short time.

Expect to spend about 500 mil for a few drinks and a couple ladies drinks. Beers are 60 k but might be less.

Depending on the economy prices might go up by the time you come.

Take out will depend on each girl but I imagine she won't take less than 500 mil. The bar fine is 180 mil.

This is about as high end as you will get in Medellin as far as the ambiance.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2560932]
I have a couple of questions related to the curfew / hotels:

1. For girls you find at the clubs or around Parque Lleras, do you take them back to you hotel or are there some motels in the area that can be used? I am kind of concerned if I use a motel in the area I can't come back before the curfew hits.

2. For clubs like La Isla, Fase II etc. , are there taxis and ways to get back before the curfew hits at 10? And do the clubs actually close? I am kind of concerned about getting stuck / price gauged at a club or being forced to pay the fine for breaking curfew.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hey buddy I sent you a PM, can you tell me when you made that trip to centro? I was really looking forward to spending more time there once my school finished and then that's when things got real sketchy so I have not been in well over a week and really want to hit it again.

Been out after curfew is hit and miss. If you are somewhere like centro it can be a mad scramble for taxis as well as the metro and the place can get chaotic. It also depends on how the police are as well, me and another BM got threatened with deportation once for being out after curfew and I have heard of others getting fined. In Laureles where I stay I normally approach a cop and make some polite chit chat, tell them I live nearby and I need to go for walk and they are usually very friendly and cool with that. I also find that the streets are more deserted and eery after curfew and I don't stray too far from my apartment.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2561078]300 mil to take them to one of the rooms and fuck for short time.

Expect to spend about 500 mil for a few drinks and a couple ladies drinks. Beers are 60 k but might be less.

Depending on the economy prices might go up by the time you come.

Take out will depend on each girl but I imagine she won't take less than 500 mil. The bar fine is 180 mil.

This is about as high end as you will get in Medellin as far as the ambiance.[/QUOTE]I've been there and the only thing "high end" was the prices. The girls were the same barrio girls though most had accumulated enough cash for surgery and a "replica" Gucci purse. There's way too many good options in Medellin to patronize clip joints. Good luck gentlemen.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2560932]Went on a tourist walking tour around centro in part to do some tourist stuff and in part to see centro in the safety of a group. At the beginning of the tour I saw this really cute, school girl type girl dressed in a short skirt that was probably a prepago but I didn't talk to her because she was talking to a police officer and I didn't want to get outed as a monger in the tour. Fortunately the tour had a twenty minute break around Plaza Botero and the guide openly said that there were WGs around the church so I decided to check it out. The area is not exactly safe but I don't think it is the same level of danger as something like Santa Fe in Bogota. Police presence seemed lighter than it should be but there are a ton of people, restaurants, touts etc. Around so while you could get unlucky and get robbed, I think the most likely fear is pickpocketing, at least during the day. Felt kind of a like a slightly grittier version of Plaza Bolivar in Bogota. Saw a couple cute girls around and it is probably worth the prices discussed previously on the forum at least based on appearance. Considering checking out the scene later during my time here.

Felt like going to a massage place and Jade Palace was close to my hotel. Buzzed in to the building, spa is in the second floor and met with the receptionist. Saw the line-up, 4 girls all in the 5/6 range. In retrospect, I probably should have just left there with the quality of the girls all over Medellin but I was lazy and really didn't feel like taking a taxi to another place or waiting for the area around Parque Lleras to pick up. Picked Mary who was kind of chubby but otherwise at a decent looking face. Asked for a shower and started the massage. Had the flip and negotiated 50 K for OWO. She did a pretty good job with OWO and I ended up cumming due to it. Cleaned up and she continued the massage since I had time left. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get hard in time for a fuck session but honestly she really wasn't hot enough for me to regret much. At the hour, got dressed and left. Generally good and friendly customer service but honestly unless you are really lazy like I was, there are much better options around. Cost was 160 K for the massage (which includes sex, massage and CBJ)+50 K for OWO.

Went down to parque lleras around 5:30 to see if there was any action there but didn't really see much. Decided to go down again at around 8:00 and saw the action kick off. I really wasn't in the mood for any action after Jade Palace so I decided to make this more of a scouting trip. The park had a couple of girls around but nothing was a must smash. Also stopped by Club Gusto at the behest of a tout since it was no cover. Bought a beer for 20 K and looked around for the talent. Girls were mostly 7's, in my opinion, with the occasional 6 or 8 around. Honestly I think some of the staff were closer to 8's but I don't think they are on the menu. There were a couple other mongers around but the ratio was like 5:1 chicas to mongers. Wasn't planning on doing anything so just left after seeing the eye candy. The club wasn't pushy about buying anything and the girls seemed mostly content on talking with each other. A couple of girls tried to show off a bit as I passed by but as a whole I was disinterested and left.

Honestly, I think YyzTravel's guide a couple pages back (Thank you so much for this, it is incredibly useful) is spot on and I will be investing some time into getting some facebook girls for my next trip.

I have a couple of questions related to the curfew / hotels:

1. For girls you find at the clubs or around Parque Lleras, do you take them back to you hotel or are there some motels in the area that can be used? I am kind of concerned if I use a motel in the area I can't come back before the curfew hits.

2. For clubs like La Isla, Fase II etc. , are there taxis and ways to get back before the curfew hits at 10? And do the clubs actually close? I am kind of concerned about getting stuck / price gauged at a club or being forced to pay the fine for breaking curfew.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You'll be fine, I've called didi / uber well after midnight sending the girls home. It may take a bit and a few attempts but the drivers are there. Personally if you have a place take them there just to save the money but if you don't care and want to use the motel you won't have issues getting a ride back just make take a little longer than usual.

Things change from day to day so my question may have been asked but looking for latest opinions, thanks for understanding.

Those of you guys who are there now, knowing what you know now, would you still have come or would you still come now?

Airfares have really gone up but so has everything else so I'll pay.

I usually stay just off of La 70 and will do so when returning. Might even just stay around there but possibly taxi cultural tours too.

Thanks. Stay safe, healthy and enjoy!

[QUOTE=HughJass;2560879]Anyone know about Haven hotel? One of the reviews says you can bring a guest, but I wasn't sure if it was one guest at a time or one guest during your entire time. I would like a pool. I've been using Airbnbs.[/QUOTE]I've stayed there both times I went to Medellin. They're very relaxed about guests, and you don't have to pay for them as long as you don't hit your room limit. The regular rooms have a 2 person capacity, so if you bring two girls at one time you have to pay for one of them. The pool is open pretty late too on weekends, and it's heated which is also a nice perk. The breakfast sucks though.

Next time I go I'll be staying in Haven again, the rooms are definitely not big but the price is great and the area is ideal for mongering. Tons of restaurants around and Lleras right around the corner, less than 2 minute walk.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2560938]That can be really frustrating. Rio was famous for a terma girl not showing up at my apartment after work. So I started double booking and sometimes triple. Make 2 or 3 dates 1 hour apart, when the first girl texts you she's on the way, cancel the others. At least you will end up with at least one date and not ruin your whole night.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Colombianas are also notorious for no-shows and for being late by hours. But here are four reasons or examples of why I won't overbook. "On the way" has an entirely different meaning to these chicas, so that can also backfire on you. I was just warning a fellow mongerer the other day who was meeting a chica I gave him through referral, that one time she texted me continuously for two days with fotos (they keep old stock fotos stored on their phone to make it look like they are where they want to be) that she was around the corner and on the way, jajajaja. Reason #2, some of these girls, a lot of these girls, exist on the edge of their finances and cannot absorb a round trip taxi fare. Here is a real-world example.

I was in a hotel once in Medellin and I heard a knock on a door of one floor up, directly over me. For three hours the knocking did not stop. My natural curiosity eventually led me upstairs to where I found wear a gorgeous young chica camped out in the hallway. She said she had been called to that room, she was sure the gringo was inside but he would not come to the door. Fast forward, I was on my way out and when I returned two hours later she was still there knocking on the door, now for about five hours. She told me she was not going to leave until she got paid, so I did the obvious thing and paid her to come to my room instead, jajaja.

Finally, a fourth example. Would you double or triple book appointments for an important business meeting, an airline flight, or with a doctor? Of course not and these girls are none of that. I am trying to remember the saying so this is probably a misquote but it goes something like this, "True character is revealed by the difference between how a person acts in the company of presidents and kings, and how he acts in front of common and poor people. " A person with true character, his behavioral will not change.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2560846]What's your definition of socialism?[/QUOTE]Like Venezuela.

[QUOTE=Combo;2560841]Why? Cuba and Venezuela are socialist and prostitution is rampant.[/QUOTE]Are you sure about that? Cuba used to be fairly good but not recently. I don't think any gringo goes to Venezuela to monger. Been to North Korea recently?

I've been going to Medellin for 7-8 years now. I have some real gems. But no matter how amazing and cool the girls seem, it's always about the money and my turn. The locals fuck them for free and we pay their rent and shit. But that's OK. All accepted. Heading to mde in 8 days. Should be amazing!

Yes sounds like you just got awakened to the sensual pleasures of Colombian women, great but never forget that "she is not your girl rather it is just your turn", enjoy!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2561172]Are you sure about that? Cuba used to be fairly good but not recently. I don't think any gringo goes to Venezuela to monger. Been to North Korea recently?[/QUOTE]Yes I'm sure prostitution is rampant in both Cuba and Venezuela. Sure Cuba is well-past the glory days of the 90's, but if one puts in some work, it can still be fruitful. Venezuela is too dangerous for most, but you can be sure there is plenty of action for those brave enough to go.

And I'm not old enough, but from what I've heard the Soviet Union was great for our hobby in the 80's.

Whether it's good for the people in the country is a different question (IMO it's not), but play for pay can definitely exist in a socialist country (well maybe not if it's led by a feminist socialist like Cristina Kirchner).

[QUOTE=Combo;2561191]Yes I'm sure prostitution is rampant in both Cuba and Venezuela. Sure Cuba is well-past the glory days of the 90's, but if one puts in some work, it can still be fruitful. Venezuela is too dangerous for most, but you can be sure there is plenty of action for those brave enough to go.

And I'm not old enough, but from what I've heard the Soviet Union was great for our hobby in the 80's.

Whether it's good for the people in the country is a different question (IMO it's not), but play for pay can definitely exist in a socialist country (well maybe not if it's led by a feminist socialist like Cristina Kirchner).[/QUOTE]No need to go to Venezuela. Plenty of desperate Venezolanas are working in Colombia, including in the border town of Cucuta.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2561140]I was in a hotel once in Medellin and I heard a knock on a door of one floor up, directly over me. For three hours the knocking did not stop. My natural curiosity eventually led me upstairs to where I found wear a gorgeous young chica camped out in the hallway. She said she had been called to that room, she was sure the gringo was inside but he would not come to the door. Fast forward, I was on my way out and when I returned two hours later she was still there knocking on the door, now for about five hours. She told me she was not going to leave until she got paid, so I did the obvious thing and paid her to come to my room instead, jajaja. [/QUOTE]Happened to me exactly similar situation last year, in my case it was a stoned out chica waiting in the lobby.

Nevertheless, What is the ground report on protests in Centro? I heard protests are confined to Centro on most days and nights. Occasionally other areas including Robledo and Prado.

I have some FB chicas tell me the protests are peaceful singing protests and people go about their business around protesters and inviting me to come sample their charms next week. Others say it turns violent occasionally. This past Wednesday's call for demonstrations seem fairly peaceful here as opposed to Bogota or Cali.

Is the situation worsening with protesters losing patience with govt. 's response and vandalizing or is it going to fizzle because people need to work to feed themselves?

What do you guys predict will happen two weeks from now. I spoke with a gringo expat who has been living in Sabaneta for past 8 years and he asked to stay in Poblado / Laureles and not venture to Centro. That would really dent my style, I can't get to casas fast enough. LOL.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2561117]Things change from day to day so my question may have been asked but looking for latest opinions, thanks for understanding.

Those of you guys who are there now, knowing what you know now, would you still have come or would you still come now?

Airfares have really gone up but so has everything else so I'll pay.

I usually stay just off of La 70 and will do so when returning. Might even just stay around there but possibly taxi cultural tours too.

Thanks. Stay safe, healthy and enjoy![/QUOTE]I was there a little over a week ago and coming back to Medellin Monday if that answers your question, there's plenty of fun to still be had. When I was there I was averaging 2-3 girls and 5 nuts a day.

Since I wrote my last post on no shows I had another no show that evening and I could not resist going to Centro any longer since I saw the videos. The plan, if there was no police presence I wouldn't stay.

Luckily there was a large police presence at strategic points which allowed me to do laps while the police were constantly in sight. It felt good to be back but unfortunately 98% of the girls looked rough and dirty like they hadn't showered or washed their clothes in a month. 3 good contacts went back to Ven so I was on a mission.

Slim pickings so I go to Hilton grill. Por Dios it was like a frustrated weight watchers convention. Probably the biggest working girls I have ever seen in my mongering life, when I say they were huge I am not exaggerating. There were 1 or 2 cuties hiding in the corner but the big girls on the stage killed the vibe for me so I left, I really don't like watching obese women strip.

Stopped at Victoria T, it gets worse, I really should have stuck my head in there first. This place is usually bad but you can sometimes get lucky with one real cutie, however this time I can only describe it as a freak show. There were about 8-10 middle aged women, the kind that looked like they've been on the game their whole life and have been put through the ringer and are now on their last legs. They were trying to get my attention by gyrating in front of me while begging for money and drinks, I made a quick exit.

Back in Centro and none of the girls were up for oral natural, Centro is hit and miss like this so I go to my current favourite place DC. Booked an hour and had a truly mind blowing GFE with a girl I already had there, wow, this places just keeps getting better. The problem is that I have a few favourites and there a few girls that I have not taken yet which keep giving me the look, maybe I should camp out there or start taking them in 2's LOL. Damage 80 k plus drinks 10 k plus a well deserved 20 k tip.

[QUOTE=Combo;2561191]Yes I'm sure prostitution is rampant in both Cuba and Venezuela. Sure Cuba is well-past the glory days of the 90's, but if one puts in some work, it can still be fruitful. ...[/QUOTE]Most dictionaries define rampant as "spreading unchecked; widespread". Prostitution in Cuba doesn't fit either of those. Also, if it was rampant, one would not have to work to find it. I agree it can be fruitful when you find it in Cuba, but it's not readily available.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2561196]No need to go to Venezuela. Plenty of desperate Venezolanas are working in Colombia, including in the border town of Cucuta.[/QUOTE]When socialism comes to Colombia we may have to avoid Colombia like we are Venezuela and go to another country for our lovely paisas.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2561253]Since I wrote my last post on no shows I had another no show that evening and I could not resist going to Centro any longer since I saw the videos. The plan, if there was no police presence I wouldn't stay.

Luckily there was a large police presence at strategic points which allowed me to do laps while the police were constantly in sight. It felt good to be back but unfortunately 98% of the girls looked rough and dirty like they hadn't showered or washed their clothes in a month. 3 good contacts went back to Ven so I was on a mission.


Back in Centro and none of the girls were up for oral natural, Centro is hit and miss like this so I go to my current favourite place DC. Booked an hour and had a truly mind blowing GFE with a girl I already had there, wow, this places just keeps getting better. The problem is that I have a few favourites and there a few girls that I have not taken yet which keep giving me the look, maybe I should camp out there or start taking them in 2's LOL. Damage 80 k plus drinks 10 k plus a well deserved 20 k tip.[/QUOTE]I'm a bit perplexed in regards to what your reporting about El Centro, and I'm not referring to the bars / clubs you were in, but about the girls working in and around the Veracruz Church and the Museum. I'm not saying I don't believe what your reporting, as you are there in person, but given the dire straits with the Pandemic, it just doesn't make sense that girls would be turning away customers over a BBBJ, at least not every single one of them, but like you said it can be hit or miss, unless of course the girls you have approached have plenty of clients and can afford to pass on a client over a BBBJ.

And I am curious as to what hour you were out walking around, afternoon or evening. You sound as though you very frightened to walk around taking laps unless there were police constantly in sight. If things have gotten that bad there with robberies, then it's a smart thing to do. We haven't seen a boots on the ground report from El Centro in a while, and if it's gotten that bad over the past month, meaning that even lots of the girls have stopped working in El Centro, then this is very sad indeed. You have been there a while now, have you noticed less girls working than just prior to the weekend lockdowns?

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2561117]Things change from day to day so my question may have been asked but looking for latest opinions, thanks for understanding.

Those of you guys who are there now, knowing what you know now, would you still have come or would you still come now?

Airfares have really gone up but so has everything else so I'll pay.

I usually stay just off of La 70 and will do so when returning. Might even just stay around there but possibly taxi cultural tours too.

Thanks. Stay safe, healthy and enjoy![/QUOTE]Generally speaking, at least from my perspective, Medellin is a total "go" if there are no weekend lockdowns, albeit some curfew hours.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2561117]Things change from day to day so my question may have been asked but looking for latest opinions, thanks for understanding.

Those of you guys who are there now, knowing what you know now, would you still have come or would you still come now?

Airfares have really gone up but so has everything else so I'll pay.

I usually stay just off of La 70 and will do so when returning. Might even just stay around there but possibly taxi cultural tours too.

Thanks. Stay safe, healthy and enjoy![/QUOTE]Surfer and Deep.

Thanks for quick to the point answers. I will start looking for flights.

[QUOTE=Andres901;2561178]I've been going to Medellin for 7-8 years now. I have some real gems. But no matter how amazing and cool the girls seem, it's always about the money and my turn. The locals fuck them for free and we pay their rent and shit. But that's OK. All accepted. Heading to mde in 8 days. Should be amazing!

Yes sounds like you just got awakened to the sensual pleasures of Colombian women, great but never forget that "she is not your girl rather it is just your turn", enjoy![/QUOTE]Thanks for the shout-out with the quote I posted and you hit the nail on the head, straight on, when you say it's all about the plata and were just a side thought but they love it that we take care of their rent and food. Just the way it is.

So yesterday I spent 6 hours in and around centro, ended up in a bar in the vera with a paisa that I have known for 3 plus years, well she had a cute slender friend and so bought a few beers and some rum for them and after a few hours of THEM drinking (I knew I had to drive home) took them both to a near-by notel-motel and did the nasty with them both.

Got to love the life here. The total damage including the room, a bottle of rum, a number of beers and tips for each chica came to 170 mil. What a great way to spend the afternoon.

An today is another new 'groundhog' day here in Medellin as I got a new real cutie on in my sights.

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.

There are or was two places in the same building.

[B]Chicas Punto Com[/B] Calle 54 (Caracas) #49-97, piso 2, Centro Comercial Boulevard de Caracas, across from El Cid. 20 Chicas. Prices: 60 k 30 min, __k hour, 20 k room. Tel: 321 755 5120,301 471 59. Hours: Monday to Saturday 10 am to 7 pm, Sunday 11 am to 5 pm.

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[QUOTE=Knowledge;2560603]Isn't that the address of chicaspuntocom?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2561325]When socialism comes to Colombia we may have to avoid Colombia like we are Venezuela and go to another country for our lovely paisas.[/QUOTE]What makes you think that Socialism is coming to Colombia. And what on God's green earth makes you think that even if it did that it would stifle the P4 P scene?

I don't think you have any idea. But I would love to know what your reasoning is to support your view. Afterall I didn't exactly shine in my Political Science classes decades ago.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2561339]Surfer and Deep.

Thanks for quick to the point answers. I will start looking for flights.[/QUOTE]ChuchoLoco just PMed you. What dates are you thinking? My dates are in June first week. I saw the national strike committee called for additional protests for 26 and 28th of this month.

Hope the protests die down after that.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2561334]I'm a bit perplexed in regards to what your reporting about El Centro, and I'm not referring to the bars / clubs you were in, but about the girls working in and around the Veracruz Church and the Museum. I'm not saying I don't believe what your reporting, as you are there in person, but given the dire straits with the Pandemic, it just doesn't make sense that girls would be turning away customers over a BBBJ, at least not every single one of them, but like you said it can be hit or miss, unless of course the girls you have approached have plenty of clients and can afford to pass on a client over a BBBJ.

And I am curious as to what hour you were out walking around, afternoon or evening. You sound as though you very frightened to walk around taking laps unless there were police constantly in sight. If things have gotten that bad there with robberies, then it's a smart thing to do. We haven't seen a boots on the ground report from El Centro in a while, and if it's gotten that bad over the past month, meaning that even lots of the girls have stopped working in El Centro, then this is very sad indeed. You have been there a while now, have you noticed less girls working than just prior to the weekend lockdowns?[/QUOTE]Happy to address your concerns. I went there yesterday at around 2. 30 ish in the PM. From my experience I also used to think that women in dire straits would also equate to anything goes but its just not always the case. Yesterday I asked around 4-5 girls and they said no, now I could have pushed and made an offer for BBBJ but I didn't as I was just scouting around there was nothing that I felt I absolutely wanted to take.

Now compare that to my last time in Centro and the first girl I asked for todos sin condon and it was a straight yes, no questions asked. I think its the same reason why there are so many no shows, they are either too lazy or too stupid to make money. Yes honestly I was nervous being there because of the videos which were savage and there are so many people telling you stay away, like when I was having a general chit chat with the metro staff and the police, I didn't mention anything about Centro but they advised to stay away from Botero and really what's the point in putting yourself in danger and ruining your whole trip.

Have I seen less girls there, definitely yes. I have also just come back from Centro now because I remember some of your reports mentioning you used to go in the morning around 9 am. I went around 10.30 in the am, very slim pickings, it doesn't look good.

There was one cutie and that was my last shot then I was leaving. She hesitantly agreed to BBBJ. Took her to Zona Rosa. Wow what a body, she was a bit naughty. Good attitude, BBBJ and HJ skills need some work but I want to see her again to train her up. 50 K plus 10 K propina.

Overall, Centro is not that great at the moment.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2561167]Like Venezuela.[/QUOTE]Venezuela is a dictatorship, military on side. The history of the country includes election of a communist style government. Which became the dictatorship it is now.

Socialism is more like every country in Europe, in fact most countries in the world.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2561253]Back in Centro and none of the girls were up for oral natural, Centro is hit and miss like this so I go to my current favourite place DC. Booked an hour and had a truly mind blowing GFE with a girl I already had there, wow, this places just keeps getting better. The problem is that I have a few favourites and there a few girls that I have not taken yet which keep giving me the look, maybe I should camp out there or start taking them in 2's LOL. Damage 80 k plus drinks 10 k plus a well deserved 20 k tip.[/QUOTE]DC= Dulce Compania? - did you pound Salome? Hehehe.

Like most places that are dangerous they're not dangerous until opportunity finds you. Like a lot of big cities where there is anonymity it goes down fast.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2561369]Happy to address your concerns. I went there yesterday at around 2. 30 ish in the PM. From my experience I also used to think that women in dire straits would also equate to anything goes but its just not always the case. Yesterday I asked around 4-5 girls and they said no, now I could have pushed and made an offer for BBBJ but I didn't as I was just scouting around there was nothing that I felt I absolutely wanted to take.

Now compare that to my last time in Centro and the first girl I asked for todos sin condon and it was a straight yes, no questions asked. I think its the same reason why there are so many no shows, they are either too lazy or too stupid to make money. Yes honestly I was nervous being there because of the videos which were savage and there are so many people telling you stay away, like when I was having a general chit chat with the metro staff and the police, I didn't mention anything about Centro but they advised to stay away from Botero and really what's the point in putting yourself in danger and ruining your whole trip.

Have I seen less girls there, definitely yes. I have also just come back from Centro now because I remember some of your reports mentioning you used to go in the morning around 9 am. I went around 10.30 in the am, very slim pickings, it doesn't look good.

There was one cutie and that was my last shot then I was leaving. She hesitantly agreed to BBBJ. Took her to Zona Rosa. Wow what a body, she was a bit naughty. Good attitude, BBBJ and HJ skills need some work but I want to see her again to train her up. 50 K plus 10 K propina.

Overall, Centro is not that great at the moment.[/QUOTE]

I would stay in tomorrow if you're here, call a girl or 2 over. They are trying organize what they call the biggest March yet tomorrow.

Or just go protest with them. You might get brownie points and score for free.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2561377]I would stay in tomorrow if you're here, call a girl or 2 over. They are trying organize what they call the biggest March yet tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kafka;2561382]Or just go protest with them. You might get brownie points and score for free.[/QUOTE]Already have 3 girls here I fuck for free rn and I've done the protest thing multiple times here and walking through teargas, I shall pass LOL.

Very random but is brandy readily available at liquor stores here?

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2561387]Already have 3 girls here I fuck for free rn and I've done the protest thing multiple times here and walking through teargas, I shall pass LOL.[/QUOTE]Report from the 1960's: A slight whiff of teargas is an aphrodisiac.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2561140]Yeah, Colombianas are also notorious for no-shows and for being late by hours. But here are four reasons or examples of why I won't overbook. "On the way" has an entirely different meaning to these chicas, so that can also backfire on you. I was just warning a fellow mongerer the other day who was meeting a chica I gave him through referral, that one time she texted me continuously for two days with fotos (they keep old stock fotos stored on their phone to make it look like they are where they want to be) that she was around the corner and on the way, jajajaja. Reason #2, some of these girls, a lot of these girls, exist on the edge of their finances and cannot absorb a round trip taxi fare. Here is a real-world example.

I was in a hotel once in Medellin and I heard a knock on a door of one floor up, directly over me. For three hours the knocking did not stop. My natural curiosity eventually led me upstairs to where I found wear a gorgeous young chica camped out in the hallway. She said she had been called to that room, she was sure the gringo was inside but he would not come to the door. Fast forward, I was on my way out and when I returned two hours later she was still there knocking on the door, now for about five hours. She told me she was not going to leave until she got paid, so I did the obvious thing and paid her to come to my room instead, jajaja.

Finally, a fourth example. Would you double or triple book appointments for an important business meeting, an airline flight, or with a doctor? Of course not and these girls are none of that. I am trying to remember the saying so this is probably a misquote but it goes something like this, "True character is revealed by the difference between how a person acts in the company of presidents and kings, and how he acts in front of common and poor people. " A person with true character, his behavioral will not change.[/QUOTE]Your citing one or two isolated instances, My advice was general in nature and what worked for me when I had have enough of no shows. As far as your last paragraph I'm at a loss for words, Kings, Doctors compared to prepagos?? Huh? Jaja.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2561401]Your citing one or two isolated instances, My advice was general in nature and what worked for me when I had have enough of no shows. As far as your last paragraph I'm at a loss for words, Kings, Doctors compared to prepagos?? Huh? Jaja.[/QUOTE]We treat the Janitor with the same respect that we have for the CEO, Pollo Negro is Out!

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2561369]Happy to address your concerns. I went there yesterday at around 2. 30 ish in the PM. From my experience I also used to think that women in dire straits would also equate to anything goes but its just not always the case. Yesterday I asked around 4-5 girls and they said no, now I could have pushed and made an offer for BBBJ but I didn't as I was just scouting around there was nothing that I felt I absolutely wanted to take.

Now compare that to my last time in Centro and the first girl I asked for todos sin condom and it was a straight yes, no questions asked. I think its the same reason why there are so many no shows, they are either too lazy or too stupid to make money. Yes honestly I was nervous being there because of the videos which were savage and there are so many people telling you stay away, like when I was having a general chit chat with the metro staff and the police, I didn't mention anything about Centro but they advised to stay away from Botero and really what's the point in putting yourself in danger and ruining your whole trip.

Have I seen less girls there, definitely yes. I have also just come back from Centro now because I remember some of your reports mentioning you used to go in the morning around 9 am. I went around 10.30 in the am, very slim pickings, it doesn't look good..[/QUOTE]I appreciate you addressing my questions and your honesty about spending time in El Centro. I'm dismayed to hear about what you have reported as I'm currently scheduled to arrive back in Medellin Saturday night and will be at ground zero Sunday afternoon. Albeit this is the worst day of the week to be looking for Chicas there, I've actually had some good experiences so if it looks bleak after taking a few laps when I arrive, I have a few Cento regulars who I can call who will come meet me for a pay day.

I'm still perplexed about the Chicas not willing to give you a BBBJ. I'm not sure if it's really about being lazy or wanting to make money, as they wouldn't be there unless it was to make money, so they may just be concerned about catching an STD. I have very few Chicas ever turn me down over a BBBJ, but I don't mess with the "cuties" because sometimes they have just to many rules.

Keep the reports coming, your observations are helpful to everyone, and hopefully I will have some reports to share soon as well.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2561388]Very random but is brandy readily available at liquor stores here?[/QUOTE]Domecq.

[URL]https://twitter.com/BrandyDomecq[/URL]

[QUOTE=Questner;2561435]Domecq.

[URL]https://twitter.com/BrandyDomecq[/URL][/QUOTE]Much appreciated.

Not sure if this is allowed but one of the girls I was seeing was robbed and shot in the foot earlier this week, I know all these girls have a sob story but this is legit and she's genuinely a sweet girl. She's out of commission for at least a month at minimum so she's hurting. If anyone's down to throw a couple bucks her way in return for some good karma dm me. I'm working on creating a gofundme.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2561388]Very random but is brandy readily available at liquor stores here?[/QUOTE][URL]https://jrrdistribuidora.co/product/brandy-jinete-rojo-x-900ml/[/URL]

I think I would start looking here.

JRR Distribuidora.

Cra. 39 ##8-17, Medellíand, Antioquia, Colombia.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2561449][URL]https://jrrdistribuidora.co/product/brandy-jinete-rojo-x-900ml/[/URL]

I think I would start looking here.

JRR Distribuidora.

Cra. 39 ##8-17, Medelland, Antioquia, Colombia.[/QUOTE]Here is what that post should have said but I rushed and I did not proof read my self.

I think I would start looking here. This place is in El Poblado and I am not sure they do retail but they could answer your question, They are located 280 feet south of Parque Lleras on Carrera 39 surrounded by bars.

JRR Distribuidora.

Cra. 39 # #8-17, Medellin, Antioquia, Colombia.

This web address actually shows some Brandy that they carry.

[URL]https://jrrdistribuidora.co/product/brandy-jinete-rojo-x-900ml/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2561476]Here is what that post should have said but I rushed and I did not proof read my self.

I think I would start looking here. This place is in El Poblado and I am not sure they do retail but they could answer your question, They are located 280 feet south of Parque Lleras on Carrera 39 surrounded by bars.

JRR Distribuidora.

Cra. 39 # #8-17, Medellin, Antioquia, Colombia.

This web address actually shows some Brandy that they carry.

[URL]https://jrrdistribuidora.co/product/brandy-jinete-rojo-x-900ml/[/URL][/QUOTE]Much appreciated brother.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2561446]Not sure if this is allowed but one of the girls I was seeing was robbed and shot in the foot earlier this week, I know all these girls have a sob story but this is legit and she's genuinely a sweet girl. She's out of commission for at least a month at minimum so she's hurting. If anyone's down to throw a couple bucks her way in return for some good karma dm me. I'm working on creating a gofundme.[/QUOTE]Seriously? WTF! The road to hell is paved with good intentions so god help you.

I get you as there was a time in my life when I was an big heart'ed generous loving and giving person, always sharing to those less fortunate but learned the culture here in Colombia which after decades of hard lessons (and some expensive) has completely changed my attitude.

Frankly there are literally millions of Colombians in the same situation if not worse.

Anymore the only way I 'would throw a few bucks her way' is "si-lo mama", meaning 'sure so suck my dick' and anything else and your getting taken for a ride. There is no respect to kind heart'ed people here, this is the culture, I am keeping it real here.

Just a bit of advice to help open your eyes. You don't have to take heed as I sound like a jack ass but I am just talking frankly. Ten years ago I would never have believed I would even hint at this but I have learned the culture.

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2561358]What makes you think that Socialism is coming to Colombia. And what on God's green earth makes you think that even if it did that it would stifle the P4 P scene?

I don't think you have any idea. But I would love to know what your reasoning is to support your view. Afterall I didn't exactly shine in my Political Science classes decades ago.[/QUOTE]There are protests in most if not all countries but history has shown that whenever there are protests of the magnitude of what are occuring in Colombia, the existing government is overthrown and is replaced by a socialist one. Check the Soviet Union, China, Cuba and Venezuela. When the Bolsheviks took over the Soviet Union p4p there became non existent, after many decades it started coming back but is currently suppressed. Same with China but the current suppression there is much stronger than Russia. Same with Cuba. Regarding Venezuela prior to Hugo Chavez taking over the leadership mongering in Venezuela was as good as, if not better, than Colombia; I know for sure, I visited then. After Hugo Chavez took over prostitution there has taken a huge nose dive. I was there in 2007. No tourists go there to monger, as a matter of fact no tourists go there.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2561426]I appreciate you addressing my questions and your honesty about spending time in El Centro. I'm dismayed to hear about what you have reported as I'm currently scheduled to arrive back in Medellin Saturday night and will be at ground zero Sunday afternoon. Albeit this is the worst day of the week to be looking for Chicas there, I've actually had some good experiences so if it looks bleak after taking a few laps when I arrive, I have a few Cento regulars who I can call who will come meet me for a pay day.

I'm still perplexed about the Chicas not willing to give you a BBBJ. I'm not sure if it's really about being lazy or wanting to make money, as they wouldn't be there unless it was to make money, so they may just be concerned about catching an STD. I have very few Chicas ever turn me down over a BBBJ, but I don't mess with the "cuties" because sometimes they have just to many rules.

Keep the reports coming, your observations are helpful to everyone, and hopefully I will have some reports to share soon as well.[/QUOTE]If you manage to get to Centro on Sunday / Tomorrow I would appreciate an update on the situation there. Remember some of the biggest protests so far are scheduled for today and either protests or unrest could spill over into Sunday so be very careful out there.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2561196]No need to go to Venezuela. Plenty of desperate Venezolanas are working in Colombia, including in the border town of Cucuta.[/QUOTE]One of the most dangerous sections of El Centro, and all of Medellin is the Venezuelan neighborhood that starts a few blocks behind the Nutibara hotel. I used to walk from Hotel Botero, thru the heart of this neighborhood a lot to see two of my repeat Vennie girls who lived in Hotel Bolivar. I would walk at night, wearing my Adidas track suit and shoes, and my shoulder bag or "man-purse", otherwise known as the uniform for, "Come and roll me and take my money. " Lucky? I'd rather be lucky than good, but what really happened was I was seen walking in the neighborhood with my girls, inquiries were made by the locals and they put the word out to not bother me. Of course there is always the risk someone did not get the memo, but it is a very tight knit community. That is one example of the value of building relationships with girls you can trust, especially if you are going to be there long term or plan on repeat visits. Oh, another way I know I trust these girls? Not only would I have been robbed or worse on the street without their blessing, they told me they were offered money to supply my hotel room number so their gang could come do an invasion robbery. Needless to say, that never happened.

The same Venezuelan area is also a hotbed for trannies, and they are a hoot. I befriended the ones on the sidewalk and that was another level of protection. There are not many people more dangerous than a pissed off trannie, and some of them are huge and very muscular. BTW, for the first time since the start of the Venezuelan refugee crisis, those girls and others are telling me that some Venezuelans are returning to their country, because of the Covid crisis and the state of the economy in Colombia.

I am looking for a pic of the 2 Vennie chicas I mentioned above, Flame and Veronica, and me at Guatape. Half of my Top Ten Chicas are Vennies, for a reason. I don't think it's cool to cast aspersions about where I choose to live, but Colombianas are awesome, yet Vennies are better still. That weekend in Guatape with two bisexual Vennies, was one of the many reasons I am relocating to Medellin. And I posted about this recently, yeah they are prepagos but they also cross over to friends. To wit, I covered expenses and did not pay anything else for them. We took the bus home that drops off at Terminal Norte. We were in the very back corner of a nearly full bus and within ten minutes I was getting a double blowjob with one chica on either side. We were not even a third of the way down the mountain, I thought we stopped at stop sign when all of a sudden four people boarded. The headed straight for us in the back of the bus. That was one of those moments when you act as quick and cool as you can, and then wait for their reaction to know if they saw anything. There was no reaction from the new passengers, now sitting right next to us, and the girls and I have had a few good laughs about that since. Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2561446]Not sure if this is allowed but one of the girls I was seeing was robbed and shot in the foot earlier this week, I know all these girls have a sob story but this is legit and she's genuinely a sweet girl. She's out of commission for at least a month at minimum so she's hurting. If anyone's down to throw a couple bucks her way in return for some good karma dm me. I'm working on creating a gofundme.[/QUOTE]Your post begs the question, are you going to be sending this girl any of your personal funds, or just soliciting others to do so.

And do you actually think other mongers would send money to an unknown Chica, anywhere in the World for that matter.

So for the gofundme account you set up I can only imagine the title, starting out with, "Injured Colombian Hooker Needs Assistance".

Really, you can't be serious about this. If so, can you set up a gofundme account for me, with the title starting out with, "Dirty Old Man Needs Assistance To Pay For Colombian Hookers".

LOL.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2561446]Not sure if this is allowed but one of the girls I was seeing was robbed and shot in the foot earlier this week, I know all these girls have a sob story but this is legit and she's genuinely a sweet girl. She's out of commission for at least a month at minimum so she's hurting. If anyone's down to throw a couple bucks her way in return for some good karma dm me. I'm working on creating a gofundme.[/QUOTE]Without going into details, call it dollar cost averaging because when I am spending more in one area, I am saving it in others including with girls. With that said, listen to what Tall Man wrote you. Even if you witnessed her being robbed which it doesn't sound like you did, that would be the Oonly possible way the story was legit, and guess what? These chicas are so devious that they would stage a robbery and fake an injury if they thought there was a payoff from a guy like you. That is not the main point, I'll assume she was robbed for real. Once you tag yourself as the "guy who helps out" the crises will never stop, and the list of girls you know having them will grow. Just look at this way, getting shot in the foot is just another day in the life of Medellin, jajaja.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2561604]If you manage to get to Centro on Sunday / Tomorrow I would appreciate an update on the situation there. Remember some of the biggest protests so far are scheduled for today and either protests or unrest could spill over into Sunday so be very careful out there.[/QUOTE]Will do, I can pass as a Colombian, at least that is what I have been told by other Colombians, so if I go out, at least I won't have a target on my back.

I have no intention of getting mixed in with any protesters, I did once get mixed in with a protest in Bogota a few years back, and it was a bit surreal in that there were lots of police who kind of walked alongside the protesters. If I'm out and notice / witness any unrest or violence, I'll put my tail between my legs and scurry away.

I had been hoping that the "protest madness" in Colombia would of simmered over by now, and pulled the plug to return, yet maybe I'm going to be showing up for the perfect storm.

Oh well, I'm stuck now, and am checked in at the Airport in Puerto Vallarta waiting for my flights to return late Saturday night. Hopefully the roads won't be shut down into town.

Hopefully things will be fine on Sunday, I'm sure some of my street urchins will be out, LOL.

Thanks for heads up!

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2561339]Surfer and Deep.

Thanks for quick to the point answers. I will start looking for flights.[/QUOTE]Good thing that flights are too expensive now or I may have bought one. I now see that largest protests and continued lockdowns going on so enjoy yourselves and stay safe. I'll wait for cheaper flights and better times.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2561562]I get you as there was a time in my life when I was an big heart'ed generous loving and giving person, always sharing to those less fortunate but learned the culture here in Colombia which after decades of hard lessons (and some expensive) has completely changed my attitude.

Frankly there are literally millions of Colombians in the same situation if not worse.

Anymore the only way I 'would throw a few bucks her way' is "si-lo mama", meaning 'sure so suck my dick' and anything else and your getting taken for a ride. There is no respect to kind heart'ed people here, this is the culture, I am keeping it real here.

Just a bit of advice to help open your eyes. You don't have to take heed as I sound like a jack ass but I am just talking frankly. Ten years ago I would never have believed I would even hint at this but I have learned the culture.[/QUOTE]I like the honest post TM. It explains a lot, but you are saying you love the barrio girls, and the way I think of that is if I hung around nothing but strippers in America (and I did that for a period of time), I would say much the same thing.

You are saying it is Colombian culture. I would say the same that that attitude is American culture if I were in strip clubs all the time.

So what we are talking about is if someone down on their luck is due to that being the case via unfortunate circumstances or bad planning. If it is the former, they deserve sympathy, and the latter you would be enabling said behavior.

Quite frankly, I think the Vennie culture is suspect in this area as anyone who made long term plans got squished.

So by moving up higher on the food chain of women, I think you will find a marked difference in attitude with regards to giving and helping.

I have found Colombians much better at long term planning and stable relationships. IMO giving has been appreciated with them.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2561065]LOL I usually tell them to let me know when their ready and call them a didi. That way I can track it.[/QUOTE]The chicas can and should use Google Live Location from their cell phones to let you know where they are. If they are gamng you, they will tell you that they don't know how to use Google Live Locatoin. Bullshit. The average uneducated chica is a super user of cell phones and what can be on them thru the Interweb. If they stick to that story, then the next time you see her, you show her how to use Google Live Location and then there are no excuses.

But I am not 100% convinced that these girls have or will soon know of a hack or workaround to make Google Live Location give a false location. Jajajajaja.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2561562]Seriously? WTF! The road to hell is paved with good intentions so god help you.

I get you as there was a time in my life when I was an big heart'ed generous loving and giving person, always sharing to those less fortunate but learned the culture here in Colombia which after decades of hard lessons (and some expensive) has completely changed my attitude. You don't have to take heed as I sound like a jack ass but I am just talking frankly. Ten years ago I would never have believed I would even hint at this but I have learned the culture.[/QUOTE]You don't sound like an ass. You sound like you are giving up game. Something happens to guys when they get to stick their dick into a pussy. They lose reality of what is their responsibility and what is not. Many a man has voluntarily put himself on the hook claiming or taking care of a kid that is not his because he was sticking his dick into the mama.

I had a buddy that was fucking with this chick in the Philippines. The chick died and my buddy had a big enough heart to financially support her daughters. I said man you are 70 years old and your kids are grown. Those kids are not your responsibility. He cussed me the fuck out and told me that he knew what he was doing. Well turns out the chick did not die and he was being scammed. Experience is the best teacher. Go, have your fun, and don't get wrapped up in other people's problems. You probably have enough of your own already anyway.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2561632]You don't sound like an ass. You sound like you are giving up game. Something happens to guys when they get to stick their dick into a pussy. They lose reality of what is their responsibility and what is not. Many a man has voluntarily put himself on the hook claiming or taking care of a kid that is not his because he was sticking his dick into the mama.

I had a buddy that was fucking with this chick in the Philippines. The chick died and my buddy had a big enough heart to financially support her daughters. I said man you are 70 years old and your kids are grown. Those kids are not your responsibility. He cussed me the fuck out and told me that he knew what he was doing. Well turns out the chick did not die and he was being scammed. Experience is the best teacher. Go, have your fun, and don't get wrapped up in other people's problems. You probably have enough of your own already anyway.[/QUOTE]I had to read it three times to understand the point you were trying to make. It's two different mongerers with two different comfort levels on how deep they engage with chicas, meaning you and Tall Man. I am certain Tall Man only had the best interests in mind of an obvious beginner, and as far as being helpful in general, he is all that and then some. This was not about right or wrong or a morality play. I fell like I can make this call because on this topic, I fall somewhere the middle between you two, jajaja. I probably help chicas more than I should, but I could do a lot more without any pain. Viva la difference!

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2561613]Without going into details, call it dollar cost averaging because when I am spending more in one area, I am saving it in others including with girls. With that said, listen to what Tall Man wrote you. Even if you witnessed her being robbed which it doesn't sound like you did, that would be the Oonly possible way the story was legit, and guess what? These chicas are so devious that they would stage a robbery and fake an injury if they thought there was a payoff from a guy like you. That is not the main point, I'll assume she was robbed for real. Once you tag yourself as the "guy who helps out" the crises will never stop, and the list of girls you know having them will grow. Just look at this way, getting shot in the foot is just another day in the life of Medellin, jajaja.[/QUOTE]At the risk of getting roasted again I shall respond LOL, I didn't see it just faectimed her a few times at the hospital. The gofundme idea was from an expat group but she was reluctant which makes me agree with your guys sentiments. For me it was good intentions, I was going to give some of my money as well, not trying to exploit others just putting it out there as I did in that group but after a night to sleep on it, I agree life moves on and she'll be fine. She should be happy to be alive and that her surgery was fine. I appreciate the honesty and bluntness shown haha probably helped me avoid making a mistake.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2561632]You don't sound like an ass. You sound like you are giving up game. Something happens to guys when they get to stick their dick into a pussy. They lose reality of what is their responsibility and what is not. Many a man has voluntarily put himself on the hook claiming or taking care of a kid that is not his because he was sticking his dick into the mama.

I had a buddy that was fucking with this chick in the Philippines. The chick died and my buddy had a big enough heart to financially support her daughters. I said man you are 70 years old and your kids are grown. Those kids are not your responsibility. He cussed me the fuck out and told me that he knew what he was doing. Well turns out the chick did not die and he was being scammed. Experience is the best teacher. Go, have your fun, and don't get wrapped up in other people's problems. You probably have enough of your own already anyway.[/QUOTE]Much appreciated man, reality check was needed.

Real talk: Today the protests are much bigger news on this website than in any of the local newspapers or news broadcasts. The level of hand wringing and fear mongering here is quite something.

Switching gears for just a moment, I passed through Parque Lleras last week for the first time since before the pandemic. At 8 PM It seemed a little quieter than I remember and there were plenty of foreigners milling about.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2561640]At the risk of getting roasted again I shall respond LOL, I didn't see it just faectimed her a few times at the hospital. The gofundme idea was from an expat group but she was reluctant which makes me agree with your guys sentiments. For me it was good intentions, I was going to give some of my money as well, not trying to exploit others just putting it out there as I did in that group but after a night to sleep on it, I agree life moves on and she'll be fine. She should be happy to be alive and that her surgery was fine. I appreciate the honesty and bluntness shown haha probably helped me avoid making a mistake.[/QUOTE]A lot of us guys here could learn from that. Sounds like it was real and I am sorry it happened to someone about who you obviously care. That's one of the pitfalls of Medellin. Colombia is the Land of Scams but at the same time, bad shit is happening to people. One of the most common scams a chica will play is "My cell phone got stolen. " I know one Gringo who was keeping a chica on the side and I think she had a cell stolen once a month. I told him by the time all her cousins had a phone for which he was paying, then the theft rate might slow down, jajajaja. But guess what, cell phone theft is epidemic in Medellin and I assume the other big cities in Colombia. My Numero Uno chica, my actual novia, had her phone stolen at gunpoint while she was sitting in a taxi. She could have made up the story to get a new one, but the no-name brand I bought her as a replacement didn't even have a scratch on it the first time I returned to Medellin almost a year later, and that was without a case! First thing I did was buy her a case, and in my mind that was sort of the acid test for proving her story was real. I know (meaning fucked) three other chicas who have had there phones stolen in the nine months I have spent in Medellin. I think stealing phones is more like the Colombian national sport, after soccer.

I sent a chica some food money within the past month and Tall Man called me out here just like we did to you. He is on solid ground with that advice and I appreciated it. But he doesn't know her or me personally, and she didn't ask for money, I based it on her weight loss I saw on an impromptu foto she sent. She was going without food and that is a foreign concept figuratively and literally to everyone on this board. So there is nothing wrong if you send her some money, but you don't want to cultivate the habit or you will never get off that treadmill. But asking your fellow mongers? Jajaja that was a good one. Ostee Out. Yes, I am posting today like there is no tomorrow. I'll get it out of my system and be fine, jaja.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2561401]Your citing one or two isolated instances, My advice was general in nature and what worked for me when I had have enough of no shows. As far as your last paragraph I'm at a loss for words, Kings, Doctors compared to prepagos?? Huh? Jaja.[/QUOTE]Believe it or not, when I respond to a post, I assume the original poster will not change his view, and that is not my aim. When a User goes to the trouble of writing the post, his mind is usually made up, unless he is genuinely asking for help. I usually don't get personal but like I said before, around here all you have to do is describe the problem in general, and they line up here to assign themselves, jajaja.

You say "isolated instances" I say representative examples or sentinel events. That is still just my opinion and it can be very difficult to tell the difference. Pollo Negro got it right on the quote I butchered from memory, as I warned. I respond mainly to list alternate viewpoints for the "silent majority" who come here, not the Gringos who post all the time. Guilty as charged. Sometimes I get a little riled up when I see posts presented as dogma, when really is just one monger's opinion compared to another. I like to laugh and all I have to do is take one giant step back and remember that we are here because of fucking and sucking, and that is inherently funny to me.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2561562]Seriously? WTF! The road to hell is paved with good intentions so god help you.

I get you as there was a time in my life when I was an big heart'ed generous loving and giving person, always sharing to those less fortunate but learned the culture here in Colombia which after decades of hard lessons (and some expensive) has completely changed my attitude.

Frankly there are literally millions of Colombians in the same situation if not worse.

Anymore the only way I 'would throw a few bucks her way' is "si-lo mama", meaning 'sure so suck my dick' and anything else and your getting taken for a ride. There is no respect to kind heart'ed people here, this is the culture, I am keeping it real here.

Just a bit of advice to help open your eyes. You don't have to take heed as I sound like a jack ass but I am just talking frankly. Ten years ago I would never have believed I would even hint at this but I have learned the culture.

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I have seen girls that would sec you in a Medellin Minute for 50 mil and then tomorrow tell everyone she meets how she hates foreigners, trust me, this is the Colombian culture and the norm. The more you give, the more you buy, the less they have respect for you. I have learned this, I have witnessed this, you cannot be overly kind to the people of Colombia, they will take your kindness for weakness. Just for $hits and giggles, if you don't send the money what will she do? Find another foreigner to run that same game on! Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2561665]Real talk: Today the protests are much bigger news on this website than in any of the local newspapers or news broadcasts. The level of hand wringing and fear mongering here is quite something..[/QUOTE]I agree with you, I have seen no mention of protests at all in either El Colombiano or Vivir en Poblado, but am concerned there may be some more weekend lockdowns coming based on the infection numbers and ICU capacity.

I might only be in town until Friday and then bail out, but I hope not.

I am going to double-down and smash my personal record for most posts here in a single day, jajaja. Anywho, I couldn't find this foto earlier. This is the back view of the 2 Vennies I posted earlier today. Choco-Thick and Skinny Minnie. When I lay them out like that and decide what order I am going to violate their combined six holes, I get a really nice feeling warm and fuzzy feeling inside, before, during, and after, jajajaja. Medellin is the shit. Take is from someone who has mongered on six continents and been to all seven (there is no official mongering in Anarctica), Medellin is my Numero Uno choice. Oh yeah, I trust those girls, they've proven it to me time and time again. They are numbers Six and Seven in my line-up. The competition is fierce, lucky for me, jjajajja. Ostee Out.

It's his money to do with as he chooses.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2561669]A lot of us guys here could learn from that. Sounds like it was real and I am sorry it happened to someone about who you obviously care. That's one of the pitfalls of Medellin. Colombia is the Land of Scams but at the same time, bad shit is happening to people. One of the most common scams a chica will play is "My cell phone got stolen. " I know one Gringo who was keeping a chica on the side and I think she had a cell stolen once a month. I told him by the time all her cousins had a phone for which he was paying, then the theft rate might slow down, jajajaja. But guess what, cell phone theft is epidemic in Medellin and I assume the other big cities in Colombia. My Numero Uno chica, my actual novia, had her phone stolen at gunpoint while she was sitting in a taxi. She could have made up the story to get a new one, but the no-name brand I bought her as a replacement didn't even have a scratch on it the first time I returned to Medellin almost a year later, and that was without a case! First thing I did was buy her a case, and in my mind that was sort of the acid test for proving her story was real. I know (meaning fucked) three other chicas who have had there phones stolen in the nine months I have spent in Medellin. I think stealing phones is more like the Colombian national sport, after soccer.

I sent a chica some food money within the past month and Tall Man called me out here just like we did to you. He is on solid ground with that advice and I appreciated it. But he doesn't know her or me personally, and she didn't ask for money, I based it on her weight loss I saw on an impromptu foto she sent. She was going without food and that is a foreign concept figuratively and literally to everyone on this board. So there is nothing wrong if you send her some money, but you don't want to cultivate the habit or you will never get off that treadmill. But asking your fellow mongers? Jajaja that was a good one. Ostee Out. Yes, I am posting today like there is no tomorrow. I'll get it out of my system and be fine, jaja.[/QUOTE]

Hi pals, I've done a few posts in Bangkok, Cambodia, Indonesian, and South African boards -- so I'm definitely not new to our hobby. Those places are currently totally screwed, so I've set my sights on Colombia. Staying there from June 15th to August 4th.

However, my South American experience has been limited to one two-week trip to Sao Paulo and Rio three years ago. I happened to fall into some fortuitous crypto money recently so I'm treating myself to seven weeks in Colombia. I've got Energy Living booked for the entirety of my stay, but I'm certainly open to doubling up if there are other places to go that board members recommend.

I've read through about 50 pages of the Medellin board so far, but I'm wondering if anyone can point me to a specific post (or ten) that would be geared toward an absolute newbie to the Colombian scene (a newbie with about grade three-level Spanish). I'm 40, fully vaccinated, relatively fit, friendly as all get out, and love to party in all forms (any advice on how to score high-quality party supplies will be rewarded). My proclivities are geared toward the slim Asian-type, so any advice on clubs or areas that veer in that direction would be greatly appreciated. I will 100% report back on my experiences both good and bad.

First night will be in Bogota Marriott before heading to Medellin the following afternoon. I think my only question about that spot is the best sim card to last me for my 7 weeks, so please let me know if there's a preferred carrier. I'd probably stick with WhatsApp and Messenger.

I've seen conflicting reports about dating apps -- should I create a Cupid Profile for Colombia? Tinder, Bumble, etc? Seems like some folks swear by Facebook, but that has never worked well for me in Asia. Happy to try anything and everything.

I'm pretty okay with sketchy areas, so I will be able to keep my wits about me in most situations. However, I'm also aware that there's a high probability I'll run into some 'trouble' -- whether that is in the form of crooks or police (or crooked police! Does anyone have a cheat sheet for dealing with cops if I happen to have something untoward on me? Having been robbed in Bangkok, of all places, I know that the SOP is to just give your stuff over without a fuss, but I know that dealing with police involves a certain level of nuance depending where you are.

Finally, a stupid question that I should know the answer to -- how the hell do I subscribe to this site without using bitcoin? I mentioned fortuitous crypto money already, but the 'fortuitous' part is that I sold it all at the correct time. I have subscribed before with a plain old credit card, but it feels like that's not an option anymore. Due to my location, a mail-in subscription would probably not make it to ISG before 2027, so hoping there's a faster way.

Any and all advice is welcome and the first bottle of vodka is on me.

Decided to try another agency girl, I won't say which agency and which girl to prevent the girl from possibly getting in trouble but it went pretty well. Messaged the agency to send the girl to a love motel near me hotel and they said she would be there in an hour, two hours later she showed up. However the love hotel didn't let her in because she forgot her ID (this is one of the first love hotels I have been to that had asked for ID). Came down and saw the girl. She was a pretty cute college girl so I said what the hell and we ended up going outside and walking and talking. We were approaching curfew so I looked to see if there were any other love hotels nearby. She suggested we just go to her place in Laureles and I obliged since I already paid 40 mil for one love hotel I didn't really feel like paying it plus taxi for another. Went to her apartment and she was hungry so she got some food and we shared some dinner together (unexpected but kind of GFE). We talked for a bit about this and that and had sex (CBJ, 69, some different positions). She was pretty tight and pretty good but the condom she used was shit and made it difficult to cum. Also wasn't the best GFE, like I felt like she tried but I feel like she has been at this game for a while. After our session I was thinking about leaving but she said I could just sleep there since we were already at curfew. Ended up talking some more, smoking some weed, and doing some karaoke together before sleeping with her. Total damage was 240 K which was the rate for the agency for an hour but ended up being TLN. She also posts on mileroticos for a lower rate and a different name. Before she slept she showed me all the messages she got based off her mileroticos ad just in the time we had been together. There were some 15 messages in the two hours. Sometimes if a girl doesn't respond it might just be because she has too much business. Overall body / face was a 8/10, service was a 6/10, but experience was a 9/10 since it was unexpected and she legitimately felt like a FWB at the end of it.

The next day I decided to try a girl from pasionprepagos. Really wanted Melissa but since she didn't reply went for Sabrina / Sabripaisa. Standard message and template. She wanted 180 K for an hour. Booked her for an hour later and went to her place. She told me the apartment number when I got there and told security my name, they called her and buzzed me up. Went to her room and it is the same girl in the pictures but she is definitely larger and the photo is likely airbrushed. Her face was also not so good. She offered a threesome with the other girl in the apartment but I declined after seeing the other girl. I think I heard someone else with the other girl as I was leaving. They were pretty careful to make sure the two of us didn't see each other. Ended up using one of my condoms after the last experience. Had some DFK, 69, CBJ, couple of positions and then a massage after I came. While she wasn't as attractive she did provide quite good service and I left moderately happy. Body: 6 Face: 6 Attitude: 8 Overall: 6. 5. She also has an onlyfans page but I feel sorry for whoever is paying into that. She isn't hot enough for that.

I am heading out of Medellin tomorrow but I really think based off of what I have seen in the forums and my experience, the best game in the city is facebook. If / when I come back I think I will take that path. Curfew has kind of screwed the night / club game since everything needs to shut down early which gives you very little time to shop around and I don't think I will come back until that changes. I have heard the fine is 1 million pesos which is basically TLN with any girl and I don't feel like it's worth the risk especially here where the police appear to be enforcing it. Mileroticos / passionprepagos is probably the second best option but it can be hit or miss. Escort agencies are also good but are much pricier than the independent advertisements. Of course, depending on your personal preferences, YMMV.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2561691]I agree with you, I have seen no mention of protests at all in either El Colombiano or Vivir en Poblado, but am concerned there may be some more weekend lockdowns coming based on the infection numbers and ICU capacity.

I might only be in town until Friday and then bail out, but I hope not.[/QUOTE]I was just sharing info I saw on Facebook, probably they were just trying to exaggerate to get better turnout but I was just passing along info for you to do as you please.

[QUOTE=Biffduff;2561725]Hi pals, I've done a few posts in Bangkok, Cambodia, Indonesian, and South African boards -- so I'm definitely not new to our hobby. Those places are currently totally screwed, so I've set my sights on Colombia. Staying there from June 15th to August 4th.

However, my South American experience has been limited to one two-week trip to Sao Paulo and Rio three years ago. I happened to fall into some fortuitous crypto money recently so I'm treating myself to seven weeks in Colombia. I've got Energy Living booked for the entirety of my stay, but I'm certainly open to doubling up if there are other places to go that board members recommend.

I've read through about 50 pages of the Medellin board so far, but I'm wondering if anyone can point me to a specific post (or ten) that would be geared toward an absolute newbie to the Colombian scene (a newbie with about grade three-level Spanish). I'm 40, fully vaccinated, relatively fit, friendly as all get out, and love to party in all forms (any advice on how to score high-quality party supplies will be rewarded). My proclivities are geared toward the slim Asian-type, so any advice on clubs or areas that veer in that direction would be greatly appreciated. I will 100% report back on my experiences both good and bad.

First night will be in Bogota Marriott before heading to Medellin the following afternoon. I think my only question about that spot is the best sim card to last me for my 7 weeks, so please let me know if there's a preferred carrier. I'd probably stick with WhatsApp and Messenger.

I've seen conflicting reports about dating apps -- should I create a Cupid Profile for Colombia? Tinder, Bumble, etc? Seems like some folks swear by Facebook, but that has never worked well for me in Asia. Happy to try anything and everything.

I'm pretty okay with sketchy areas, so I will be able to keep my wits about me in most situations. However, I'm also aware that there's a high probability I'll run into some 'trouble' -- whether that is in the form of crooks or police (or crooked police! Does anyone have a cheat sheet for dealing with cops if I happen to have something untoward on me? Having been robbed in Bangkok, of all places, I know that the SOP is to just give your stuff over without a fuss, but I know that dealing with police involves a certain level of nuance depending where you are.

Finally, a stupid question that I should know the answer to -- how the hell do I subscribe to this site without using bitcoin? I mentioned fortuitous crypto money already, but the 'fortuitous' part is that I sold it all at the correct time. I have subscribed before with a plain old credit card, but it feels like that's not an option anymore. Due to my location, a mail-in subscription would probably not make it to ISG before 2027, so hoping there's a faster way.

Any and all advice is welcome and the first bottle of vodka is on me.[/QUOTE]Claro is a good carrier in Colombia. Facebook is the move in Medellin not so much Bogota. Ibis in Bogota is a good hotel and is walking distance from Santa Fe which has plenty of street action, pussy house is a good strip club and if you look up ads on miloeroticos or photoprepagos there you'll get plenty of info on casas and girls.

I think col cupid, tinder are worth it if you are staying a long time but not worth it for a short time in my opinion. You're much better off going for the sure fire working girls.

In Medellin if it's your first time I'the advise staying in poblado, more than enough girls and clubs. Most of the girls will have shit with them as far as party favors, if you ask around there's dealers everywhere.

I don't think there's any way around Bitcoin for a membership.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2561613]Without going into details, call it dollar cost averaging because when I am spending more in one area, I am saving it in others including with girls. With that said, listen to what Tall Man wrote you. Even if you witnessed her being robbed which it doesn't sound like you did, that would be the Oonly possible way the story was legit, and guess what? These chicas are so devious that they would stage a robbery and fake an injury if they thought there was a payoff from a guy like you. That is not the main point, I'll assume she was robbed for real. Once you tag yourself as the "guy who helps out" the crises will never stop, and the list of girls you know having them will grow. Just look at this way, getting shot in the foot is just another day in the life of Medellin, jajaja.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2561640]At the risk of getting roasted again I shall respond LOL, I didn't see it just faectimed her a few times at the hospital. The gofundme idea was from an expat group but she was reluctant which makes me agree with your guys sentiments. For me it was good intentions, I was going to give some of my money as well, not trying to exploit others just putting it out there as I did in that group but after a night to sleep on it, I agree life moves on and she'll be fine. She should be happy to be alive and that her surgery was fine. I appreciate the honesty and bluntness shown haha probably helped me avoid making a mistake.[/QUOTE]I might be missing something here and I get where all the angles are coming from and I agree with all the posters who are basically telling you that helping out this girl who you have really only had a business relationship with in the past is a clearcut "dar papaya".

That being said and knowing that you have the desire to help them put in this perspective, if my employee or a contractor that I did business with is going through a rough patch I do not give them charity. Because they are a business acquaintance not family or a close friend. But if I respect the person and they are going through a rough not of their making then I might figure out a way to throw them some work that benefits me. Not to sound to graphic here but you said she got shot in the foot not the heart, not the leg not the arm and not the pussy or the mouth. I could be wrong but it seems to me that a foot injury that she should recover from in a month means that soon she could be getting around on crutches for a little while, so why not just arrange for her door to door transportation and throw her some business, I repeat I might be missing something here but if she is as sweet as you say maybe it might be worth it to you to put forth a little effort so she can work for the money but you are not giving it to her for nothing.

Also think of it this way, it is okay that you perceive her as sweet and deserving of aid in this time of crisis but that is not the issue that effects you. It is her perception of you that will matter and because that perception started with money you will never know what it is for real so best just assume she sees you and she sees money.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2561686]I have seen girls that would sec you in a Medellin Minute for 50 mil and then tomorrow tell everyone she meets how she hates foreigners, trust me, this is the Colombian culture and the norm. The more you give, the more you buy, the less they have respect for you. I have learned this, I have witnessed this, you cannot be overly kind to the people of Colombia, they will take your kindness for weakness. Just for $hits and giggles, if you don't send the money what will she do? Find another foreigner to run that same game on! Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]Lessons have been learned, luckily before a mistake was made LOL.

[QUOTE=Biffduff;2561725]
Finally, a stupid question that I should know the answer to -- how the hell do I subscribe to this site without using bitcoin? I mentioned fortuitous crypto money already, but the 'fortuitous' part is that I sold it all at the correct time. I have subscribed before with a plain old credit card, but it feels like that's not an option anymore. Due to my location, a mail-in subscription would probably not make it to ISG before 2027, so hoping there's a faster way.

Any and all advice is welcome and the first bottle of vodka is on me.[/QUOTE]I'm going to ask you a stupid question right back LOL, why is a senior member needing a membership when you already have the ability to send and receive private messages and see photos?

This girl had been hitting me up for a while and said she could bring her sister. We agreed to 200 total and for them to come in the morning, as expected they were like an hour and a half late but I was enjoying breakfast at a nearby spot. They arrived and I was not a fan to put it mildly but said fuck it I've fucked worse. Went upstairs gave them a beer let them smoke a little. They let me film and sucked me off at the same time which was cool but it was average and after that they wouldn't play with each other it was like I'the be with one and the other would go play on her phone than I'the call the other and they'the swap LOL. After popped I got cleaned up and told them I was tired and let them go. Not bad for 200 but I'm not going to repeat. One has been reviewed here before and lactating a bit. If anyones interested, I'll figure out how to upload pics and post.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2561734]Claro is a good carrier in Colombia. Facebook is the move in Medellin not so much Bogota. Ibis in Bogota is a good hotel and is walking distance from Santa Fe which has plenty of street action, pussy house is a good strip club and if you look up ads on miloeroticos or photoprepagos there you'll get plenty of info on casas and girls.

I think col cupid, tinder are worth it if you are staying a long time but not worth it for a short time in my opinion. You're much better off going for the sure fire working girls.

In Medellin if it's your first time I'the advise staying in poblado, more than enough girls and clubs. Most of the girls will have shit with them as far as party favors, if you ask around there's dealers everywhere.

I don't think there's any way around Bitcoin for a membership.[/QUOTE]Thanks kindly, friend! I had Claro when I was in Brazil, so that'll be easy to remember.

I already have Energy Living booked for 7 weeks, but will consider IBIS for a change of scenery if needed. I imagine this is an Uber-only town from the posts I've read. I do like to stroll around, but I suppose that'll have to be confined to the daytime if I intend to keep my phone and dignity.

I've activated Tinder in the meantime and holy shit the girls are smoking hot. This is going to be a good trip -- and my offer of vodka still stands for DeepXliv and anyone else who can offer some insight for this newbie.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2561740]I'm going to ask you a stupid question right back LOL, why is a senior member needing a membership when you already have the ability to send and receive private messages and see photos?[/QUOTE]Haha, you would think my job in the tech industry would have made me clue into these details. I don't claim to be the sharpest tool in the shed, but this is a level of ineptitude that shames me. Thanks for the help!

[QUOTE=Biffduff;2561742]Thanks kindly, friend! I had Claro when I was in Brazil, so that'll be easy to remember.

I already have Energy Living booked for 7 weeks, but will consider IBIS for a change of scenery if needed. I imagine this is an Uber-only town from the posts I've read. I do like to stroll around, but I suppose that'll have to be confined to the daytime if I intend to keep my phone and dignity.

I've activated Tinder in the meantime and holy shit the girls are smoking hot. This is going to be a good trip -- and my offer of vodka still stands for DeepXliv and anyone else who can offer some insight for this newbie.[/QUOTE]I was mentioning Ibis for Bogota, Energy is perfectly fine for Medellin. Didi is much cheaper than uber but you pay in cash, rappi is for food and is major key. Walking in poblado is fine day and night just be smart and don't make yourself a target.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2561741]This girl had been hitting me up for a while and said she could bring her sister. We agreed to 200 total and for them to come in the morning, as expected they were like an hour and a half late but I was enjoying breakfast at a nearby spot. They arrived and I was not a fan to put it mildly but said fuck it I've fucked worse. Went upstairs gave them a beer let them smoke a little. They let me film and sucked me off at the same time which was cool but it was average and after that they wouldn't play with each other it was like I'the be with one and the other would go play on her phone than I'the call the other and they'the swap LOL. After popped I got cleaned up and told them I was tired and let them go. Not bad for 200 but I'm not going to repeat. One has been reviewed here before and lactating a bit. If anyones interested, I'll figure out how to upload pics and post.[/QUOTE]Pesos yea good deal, 200 usd not a good deal, too much for Colombia especially if as you say, "not a fan to put it mildly" but if you had fun cool.

The real test is would you repeat?

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2561377]I would stay in tomorrow if you're here, call a girl or 2 over. They are trying organize what they call the biggest March yet tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Did this biggest ever protest materialize?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2561601]There are protests in most if not all countries but history has shown that whenever there are protests of the magnitude of what are occuring in Colombia, the existing government is overthrown and is replaced by a socialist one. Check the Soviet Union, China, Cuba and Venezuela. When the Bolsheviks took over the Soviet Union p4p there became non existent, after many decades it started coming back but is currently suppressed. Same with China but the current suppression there is much stronger than Russia. Same with Cuba. Regarding Venezuela prior to Hugo Chavez taking over the leadership mongering in Venezuela was as good as, if not better, than Colombia; I know for sure, I visited then. After Hugo Chavez took over prostitution there has taken a huge nose dive. I was there in 2007. No tourists go there to monger, as a matter of fact no tourists go there.[/QUOTE]I thought Chavez took over sometime around 1999 or 2000? Maybe I'm missing something here, but if the mongering was as good or better in Venezuela in 2007, I don't think you can blame the "nose dive" on Chavez.

Either your or my knowledge of history has some gaps in it. Protests (of the magnitude yada yada) don't always result in a government overthrow and when it does the result isn't always socialism. Colombia had worse protests back in the 1970's. After 50 years of civil war, still not socialist. 200 years earlier there were worse protests about 4,000 miles north of Colombia. Pretty sure that didn't end up in socialism either.

As for prostitution, it only goes away when poverty disappears. Actually, it doesn't go away even then, it just gets more expensive. Governments might make it illegal, it might be harder to find, but as long as there are hungry people, there will be women spreading for cash.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2561741]This girl had been hitting me up for a while and said she could bring her sister. We agreed to 200 total and for them to come in the morning, as expected they were like an hour and a half late but I was enjoying breakfast at a nearby spot. They arrived and I was not a fan to put it mildly but said fuck it I've fucked worse. Went upstairs gave them a beer let them smoke a little. They let me film and sucked me off at the same time which was cool but it was average and after that they wouldn't play with each other it was like I'the be with one and the other would go play on her phone than I'the call the other and they'the swap LOL. After popped I got cleaned up and told them I was tired and let them go. Not bad for 200 but I'm not going to repeat. One has been reviewed here before and lactating a bit. If anyones interested, I'll figure out how to upload pics and post.[/QUOTE]That was the infamous Colombian Trio. Lots of girls will offer to bring along another girl for a trio, but unless you specify that you expect some girl on girl action, what you end up with is exactly what you got.

Although there are exceptions, usually if the girl is bringing along a relative, don't expect any lesbian action.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2561752]Pesos yea good deal, 200 usd not a good deal, too much for Colombia especially if as you say, "not a fan to put it mildly" but if you had fun cool.

The real test is would you repeat?[/QUOTE]I would never use dollars here, only talking in pesos. Uh they failed the test I wouldn't repeat LOL I'll need to have another redemption threesome with some better girls later this week. As for the protest no idea which probably means definitely not LOL.

[QUOTE=Biffduff;2561725]Hi pals, I've done a few posts in Bangkok, Cambodia, Indonesian, and South African boards -- so I'm definitely not new to our hobby. Those places are currently totally screwed, so I've set my sights on Colombia. Staying there from June 15th to August 4th.

However, my South American experience has been limited to one two-week trip to Sao Paulo and Rio three years ago. I happened to fall into some fortuitous crypto money recently so I'm treating myself to seven weeks in Colombia. I've got Energy Living booked for the entirety of my stay, but I'm certainly open to doubling up if there are other places to go that board members recommend.

I've read through about 50 pages of the Medellin board so far, but I'm wondering if anyone can point me to a specific post (or ten) that would be geared toward an absolute newbie to the Colombian scene (a newbie with about grade three-level Spanish). I'm 40, fully vaccinated, relatively fit, friendly as all get out, and love to party in all forms (any advice on how to score high-quality party supplies will be rewarded). My proclivities are geared toward the slim Asian-type, so any advice on clubs or areas that veer in that direction would be greatly appreciated. I will 100% report back on my experiences both good and bad.

First night will be in Bogota Marriott before heading to Medellin the following afternoon. I think my only question about that spot is the best sim card to last me for my 7 weeks, so please let me know if there's a preferred carrier. I'd probably stick with WhatsApp and Messenger.

I've seen conflicting reports about dating apps -- should I create a Cupid Profile for Colombia? Tinder, Bumble, etc? Seems like some folks swear by Facebook, but that has never worked well for me in Asia. Happy to try anything and everything.

I'm pretty okay with sketchy areas, so I will be able to keep my wits about me in most situations. However, I'm also aware that there's a high probability I'll run into some 'trouble' -- whether that is in the form of crooks or police (or crooked police! Does anyone have a cheat sheet for dealing with cops if I happen to have something untoward on me? Having been robbed in Bangkok, of all places, I know that the SOP is to just give your stuff over without a fuss, but I know that dealing with police involves a certain level of nuance depending where you are.

Finally, a stupid question that I should know the answer to -- how the hell do I subscribe to this site without using bitcoin? I mentioned fortuitous crypto money already, but the 'fortuitous' part is that I sold it all at the correct time. I have subscribed before with a plain old credit card, but it feels like that's not an option anymore. Due to my location, a mail-in subscription would probably not make it to ISG before 2027, so hoping there's a faster way.

Any and all advice is welcome and the first bottle of vodka is on me.[/QUOTE]Most of your questions have already been answered. I'll try to give you the quick and dirty newbie guide.

1. Except for some casas and strip clubs, payment is after, not up front. A good Spanish phrase to memorize is "Siempre pago despues", I always pay after. Remember "Siempre pago", because that comes in handy when negotiating rates.

2. Rates in Medellin vary depending on where you get the girl. On the low side street girls in El Centro can be found for 30 k, about $8. On the high side night club girls in Parque Lleras might ask $200 or more. Typically, the Facebook girls can be had for 150-250 k. Tinder girls seem to be asking for a bit more. Whenever a girl tells me her rate, I usually respond with "Siempre pago" and then throw out a lower price.

3. Many of the girls insist on condoms for sex. BBBJ is pretty common with Facebook girls, more difficult other places. I've never paid extra for it and get it about 75% of the time. YMMV.

4. Facebook is a gold mine for girls in Medellin. Here's a how to guide I wrote. Just go to the original post.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2410175]This is an easy guide on how to get started using Facebook to find girls in Medellin. Notice: This only works in Medellin.[/QUOTE]5. Although they come in all shapes and sizes you shouldn't have any problems finding the body type you prefer.

6. The Colombian national ID card for people 18 and over is called a Cedula. Energy living will probably require all guests to have their Cedula. If you have a girl coming over, save yourself a headache and make certain she knows she won't get in without her cedula.

7. The party drug of choice is 2 CB, called Tussi locally, a pink powder hallucinogen. It can inhibit sexual performance. Marijuana is also very popular. Cocaine is available and inexpensive, of varying quality. Many of the working girls regularly use and can supply 1 or more of these. Waiters in night clubs have also been known to acquire these things for their customers.

8. The drug you don't want to end up with is scopolamine. It's usually slipped into an unsuspecting victim's drink. When they wake up, many hours later they've been robbed. You can search the web for ways to avoid becoming a victim.

If no new problems come up, I hope to get to Medellin at the same time as you, although I'll only stay 2 weeks. Any questions, just ask.

[QUOTE=DeepXliv;2561764]I would never use dollars here, only talking in pesos. Uh they failed the test I wouldn't repeat LOL I'll need to have another redemption threesome with some better girls later this week. As for the protest no idea which probably means definitely not LOL.[/QUOTE]That's what I thought so good deal. I had a fiesta with 2 Bogotanas, ahh about 2 years ago. One was a knocked out model the other was a fattie in love with the model jaja Well it was great, they did it all, danced together, sucked face, pussies dbl BJ and amazingly the model was into anal. But the rub come in when it was time to pay them, I never pay up front. So after we all showered and got cleaned up, I gave her 300 cop and she looked at me and said no baby 300 cop each! Luckily I still had the WA texts we had prior where I said 300 todo, she was disappointed but she agreed the text said 300 total. She was pretty cool about it and I gave both of them 20 each for taxi. I had a few great dates with her after that. When I returned to Bogota a month or so later she was gone, moved to Medellin. We texted few times after that but as usual in Colombia the phone number stopped working.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2561754]Did this biggest ever protest materialize?[/QUOTE]Upon arriving last night the cab driver from the airport told me there have been no "big protests" in Medellin for at least a week. Albeit small and very peaceful ones everyday in Medellin with no police brutality, and most people are kinda over it. So I am hopeful the violent protest stuff is over, now the only possible impediment to letting the good times flow like before in early April is if the weekend lockdowns commence and there is a forecasted fourth peak, after all the super spreader protester events. Should know by early next week and am planning accordingly if it happens.

The rules of engagement we covered extensively here during the early months of the pandemic still apply for weekend lockdowns. The worst case scenario was when we had to re-purpose supermarket or pharmacy trips to hit clubs and apartments that continued to operate. Lower forms of life like us Centro rats also combed ground zero for stray opportunities. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the protests were much more frightening on this web site than they have been in real life.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2561855]Upon arriving last night the cab driver from the airport told me there have been no "big protests" in Medellin for at least a week. Albeit small and very peaceful ones everyday in Medellin with no police brutality, and most people are kinda over it. So I am hopeful the violent protest stuff is over, now the only possible impediment to letting the good times flow like before in early April is if the weekend lockdowns commence and there is a forecasted fourth peak, after all the super spreader protester events. Should know by early next week and am planning accordingly if it happens.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2561756]I thought Chavez took over sometime around 1999 or 2000? Maybe I'm missing something here, but if the mongering was as good or better in Venezuela in 2007, I don't think you can blame the "nose dive" on Chavez.

Either your or my knowledge of history has some gaps in it. Protests (of the magnitude yada yada) don't always result in a government overthrow and when it does the result isn't always socialism. Colombia had worse protests back in the 1970's. After 50 years of civil war, still not socialist. 200 years earlier there were worse protests about 4,000 miles north of Colombia. Pretty sure that didn't end up in socialism either.

As for prostitution, it only goes away when poverty disappears. Actually, it doesn't go away even then, it just gets more expensive. Governments might make it illegal, it might be harder to find, but as long as there are hungry people, there will be women spreading for cash.[/QUOTE]2007 was the period I was there when Chavez was in power and p4p was dismal. I visited Venezuela in the 70's and 80's and p4p was great then.

You said prostitution goes away when poverty disappears so according to your theory countries like Germany, Spain, South Korea and Japan where prostitution abounds are poverty ridden and according to your theory North Korea, Yemen, Afghanistan and many African countries where there is very little prostitution must be very rich.

La isla is pumping. Closes at 4 am. I never saw it packed like it was last night. Lots of girls coming in with groups of guys. Also lots of girls working. Cover was 30 k!! It was absolute bonkers in there from 11 pm til closing. The after party at Paradise is from 4-6. Did not partake.

[QUOTE=Biffduff;2561725]. My proclivities are geared toward the slim Asian-type, so any advice on clubs or areas that veer in that direction would be greatly appreciated. I will 100% report back on my experiences both good and bad.

.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2561770]Most of your questions have already been answered. I'll try to give you the quick and dirty newbie guide.
.[/QUOTE]Biffduff your word of the day today is "Flaca" that is what you call a thin chica.

Just to add and supplement to what JjBee62 said, there is a thread that can be found in the User Blog section of the Colombia Forum that is called "Medellin Map and List" and within this forum are two great tools the "Medellin Map" and the "Medellin Chica List". The Medellin Map is a curate special Google Map made by BM World Travel 69 (as was the list). The map shows the locations of various Casas, Strip Clubs, Massage parlors, Love Hotels, areas where street walkers frequent etc.

On my laptop and on my phone this map works in conjunction with Google Maps and I can get step by step directions, I have a Google Phone so my experience may be different from people with say an iPhone. But I have no way to know. But when I open the Medellin Map on my phone and I tap on a location or business then the name appears at the bottom, then I tap on that a red banner pops up with the name and within that red banner is the "directions" icon from Google Maps, when I tap on that it opens the main Google Maps app and I have to choose my starting location. The usual options in Google Maps are there, (except bicycle is not) Driving, Public Transport, Walking, and Ride Hailing (the only two options that come up for me in Medellin are Taxi and Cabify but of course no Uber option or Didi.

The Medellin Chica List, also curated by BM World Travel 69 , is a list of venues where mongers like to go with address, hours of operation and last known pricing. There is a suggestion at the beginning of the list is this suggestion - "To get your bearings on the layout of the city, I suggest taking the Turibus Tour. It starts at the Parque Poblado at 9 am and 1 pm. It last around three hours. Tel: 371 50 54. [URL]www.turibuscolombia.com[/URL]".

Glimpses of El Centro.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwk9hin-8c[/URL]

El Centro when there is no heavy police presence due to the protests.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JRMdQpj-_c&t=5s[/URL]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2561770]7. The party drug of choice is 2 CB, called Tussi locally, a pink powder hallucinogen. It can inhibit sexual performance. Marijuana is also very popular. Cocaine is available and inexpensive, of varying quality. Many of the working girls regularly use and can supply 1 or more of these. Waiters in night clubs have also been known to acquire these things for their customers.[/QUOTE]While we are mentioning the downsides, limp dick syndrome etc, cocaine is also known to cause sudden cardiac arrest. I'm not sure of the risks associated with 2 CB or Tussi, but Google is your friend. When taking risks it's wise to know what those risks are.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2561973]Biffduff your word of the day today is "Flaca" that is what you call a thin chica.
The Medellin Chica List, also curated by

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JRMdQpj-_c&t=5s[/URL][/QUOTE]Jaysus, that is quite the juxtaposition!

Regardless, thanks to you Mojo and to Jjbee -- this is all great intel. I will do my best to compensate you in the form of detailed reports. (Or hit me up in a private message and I'll flow the vodka.).

Wow, so happy to be back. Arrived last night at 11 PM and was at my place by Midnight. Woke up and by 10 AM had the refrigerator full, everything un-packed, hit the ATM machine and withdrew 5. 4 Million Pesos, went to the Poblado Metro Station, loaded up my Civica, and arrived at ground zero at 10:30 AM, besides visiting again at 12:30 PM and again at 2:30 PM. I wanted to get some perspective after being gone a while.

This Sunday was not like any other Sunday I have ever observed at ground zero. Sunday's are always the slowest and worst days to be in El Centro for girls, but for some reason lots of times on Sundays I have good luck. Upon arriving at 10:30 AM, it was slim pickings, albeit seemed to be more girls out at that hour on a Sunday but I didn't like anything I saw so I called one of my regulars and she happened to be near by and met me in front of Hotel Nutibarra and we walked over to Hotel Deseos just down the block from the airport bus stop. She's early thirties and 5'11" tall, and slim, and a nympho, just what I was looking for to start the day and all in. I always have a difficult time understanding her Spanish, but understood enough and asked her about what had been going on over the past three months with all the robberies and video's that have been posted about here. She said there has been a heavy duty escalation of robberies over the past three months, with the difference being that instead of two or three guys now there are whole groups of guys like 6 to 8 attacking people. And apparently these groups are sometimes a mixture of both Colombians and Venezuelans working together which I found odd. The thing that she did say that was very alarming though was about how violent the robberies are nowadays with people getting knifed to death and not much said about it. She also said lots of the locals are also not visiting EL Centro as much anymore as well which makes perfect sense given that literally 100% of the victims are locals. She also said that the current times where reminiscent of the Pablo Escobar days as she remembered as a small child with all kinds of violence.

After my session with her, at 12:30 PM I went back over to ground zero and took a bunch of laps. What surprised me was how many more girls were out working on a Sunday during the middle of the day. Anyways, I decided to go swim laps at the pool in Bellen and hoped in a cab, and what a workout. On Saturday, and the entire week before I had been in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico ocean swimming and snorkeling everyday, but it was with flippers in salt water, so now no flippers and at a mile high. I got in forty minutes, showered, and hopped in a cab and arrived back at ground zero at 2:30 PM.

Upon arriving I was hoping that one of my two blowjob queens would be out but I didn't see them out, but noticed even more girls out working and some pretty ones. After about twenty minutes one of BJ Queens surfaced, but she appeared like she had one to many beers so I passed on her. While walking around I did notice a good police presence yet after hearing what I heard from my Chica I paid much more attention as to who was around me. Anyways, I saw lot's of familiar hard core putas out and was thinking that it would be nice to do a spinner if I could find one. And the God's were with me. While walking around by the corner with the ice cream store and the Casino there was this little dinky thing. A size boobs and a little bubble gum butt, a Paisa, whom I had never seen working in El Centro. She was not a beauty queen face wise but not ugly, but a tight body with a flat stomach, and I envisioned pounding her in doggie and her riding me! So After chatting with her instead of making an offer to go arriba I just asked her how much. Twenty mil she says and I asked her for clarification as to exactly what that included. She said it included her blowing me and all kinds of positions. Okay, that sounded like a bargain, I was attracted to her so I asked if the BJ was uncovered, and she said of course. Okay, music to my ears, but I was a bit skeptical as there were so many other Chicas that would be asking for thirty or more refusing the BBBJ but maybe not anymore. Before heading to the room I asked her if she a Cedula and she said yes, and at the Zona Rosa they didn't ask. Upon getting into the room I immediately told her if she did a good job there would be a tip for her. She was a great performer, and 27 years old with two kids, and oh so tight and wet. The visuals were great while penetrating her with that little bubble gum butt. Anyways, she told me she had only been working for two months as she had no other way to support herself. I really liked this one but doesn't have a phone like so many there because they are so poor. Regardless I gave her 40 K and she was pleased and hope to see her again, I might even buy her a $ 20 USD burner phone for her next time I see her as it would be nice to be able to schedule her into the rotation.

So my takeway of El Centro as of today is as follows: I am definitely more frightened about being in El Centro, but it won't stop me until I get knifed. You would think that seeing so many more girls out working on a Sunday, and some cute ones is great news, and yes for the mongers it is, but in reality it isn't, as there is a lot of desperation with women trying to make ends meet. And just not in Colombia, but everywhere. While in Mexico last week I did three street girls, and two of them had never worked before just like thie new one I met.

So besides the women who are desperate to survive and have a way to do it, you have all the others resorting to robbing others violently and reminiscent of the past in Colombia. And Johnny O was smart to stay within police presence like I did today. When there are no police around anytime of day in El Centro I won't be venturing out into these areas whereas before I would. The desperation based on my observations today and what I was told is very sad, and hopefully things will get better.

Anyways, tomorrow the Tomboy is coming over to stay with me for a few days, can't wait to jump her bones, and another day in paradise.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2561977]While we are mentioning the downsides, limp dick syndrome etc, cocaine is also known to cause sudden cardiac arrest. I'm not sure of the risks associated with 2 CB or Tussi, but Google is your friend. When taking risks it's wise to know what those risks are.[/QUOTE]Personally I don't use any of them. I'm happy with a few beers and an occasional shot of tequila.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2562017]Wow, so happy to be back. Arrived last night at 11 PM and was at my place by Midnight. Woke up and by 10 AM had the refrigerator full, everything un-packed, hit the ATM machine and withdrew 5. 4 Million Pesos, went to the Poblado Metro Station, loaded up my Civica, and arrived at ground zero at 10:30 AM, besides visiting again at 12:30 PM and again at 2:30 PM. I wanted to get some perspective after being gone a while.

This Sunday was not like any other Sunday I have ever observed at ground zero. Sunday's are always the slowest and worst days to be in El Centro for girls, but for some reason lots of times on Sundays I have good luck. Upon arriving at 10:30 AM, it was slim pickings, albeit seemed to be more girls out at that hour on a Sunday but I didn't like anything I saw so I called one of my regulars and she happened to be near by and met me in front of Hotel Nutibarra and we walked over to Hotel Deseos just down the block from the airport bus stop. She's early thirties and 5'11" tall, and slim, and a nympho, just what I was looking for to start the day and all in. I always have a difficult time understanding her Spanish, but understood enough and asked her about what had been going on over the past three months with all the robberies and video's that have been posted about here. She said there has been a heavy duty escalation of robberies over the past three months, with the difference being that instead of two or three guys now there are whole groups of guys like 6 to 8 attacking people. And apparently these groups are sometimes a mixture of both Colombians and Venezuelans working together which I found odd. The thing that she did say that was very alarming though was about how violent the robberies are nowadays with people getting knifed to death and not much said about it. She also said lots of the locals are also not visiting EL Centro as much anymore as well which makes perfect sense given that literally 100% of the victims are locals...[/QUOTE]Nice report, thanks. I was in el centro on Thursday and spent about 4 hours, not so much new in terms of new chicas but found my ATF paisa whom I have known for 3 plus years and she had a cute friend so why not right! One of the better 3-somes I have had in some time and I usually don't do them much anymore.

I was thinking about stopping by centro this afternoon as I was shopping in Laureles but as it was coming up to 4 PM my better senses told me to start making my way driving home and glad I did as I got caught up in a protest on the regional which took a little over an hour to go 1 km.

And yes so true about the uptick in crime but not only in centro but Laureles and Poblado and other barrios.

Stay safe all!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2562017]After my session with her, at 12:30 PM I went back over to ground zero and took a bunch of laps. What surprised me was how many more girls were out working on a Sunday during the middle of the day. Anyways, I decided to go swim laps at the pool in Bellen and hoped in a cab, and what a workout. On Saturday, and the entire week before I had been in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico ocean swimming and snorkeling everyday, but it was with flippers in salt water, so now no flippers and at a mile high. I got in forty minutes, showered, and hopped in a cab and arrived back at ground zero at 2:30 PM..[/QUOTE]Nice report on Centro. Appreciate your insight on safety level currently present in the area.

Where is this pool located in Belen? Do we need a membership or do they do a day pass?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2562017]So After chatting with her instead of making an offer to go arriba I just asked her how much. Twenty mil she says and I asked her for clarification as to exactly what that included. She said it included her blowing me and all kinds of positions.[/QUOTE]Wow. Is that a record low?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2562102]Wow. Is that a record low?[/QUOTE]Did you not notice that Sufer paid double the asking price. He is ruining the market.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2561961]La isla is pumping. Closes at 4 am. I never saw it packed like it was last night. Lots of girls coming in with groups of guys. Also lots of girls working. Cover was 30 k!! It was absolute bonkers in there from 11 pm till closing. The after party at Paradise is from 4-6. Did not partake.[/QUOTE]Surprised that la Isla was open. Is there no nightly curfew from 10 pm-5 am at the moment? Is Gustos or Lleras Disco open?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2562102]Wow. Is that a record low?[/QUOTE]Mr. E,

You could do better than 20 mil for a Chica, but you wouldn't want any one to see you going with a beached whale or skanked out Sacalero with their glue bag in one hand. Actually, there are lots of girls there who will go for 20 mil, especially the Venezuelans, and the locals are pulling them, but they are nothing to write home about.

People are so desperate right now that 20 mil for less than an hours work can be very appealing. There are girls selling coffee all day who are lucky to make 15-20 mil so if you think about it, some of them will jump on a chance to make a quick buck, but they have to be comfortable going with the guy. Also, nowadays most of the Chicas want to get out of Dodge when the sun goes down, hence there will be some Chicas willing to go for cheap who haven't had a client all day, and some of the women are so obese and disgusting I still haven't figured out who in the hell goes with them, hence there's some of the low budget market in my opinion.

And guys just can't show up in El Centro and expect to find a little gem without spending a lot of time on the ground observing and figuring out which ones to approach. I personally always look for a stray cat / loner, someone I've never seen there before, hence the luck I have at times.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2561961]La isla is pumping. Closes at 4 am. I never saw it packed like it was last night. Lots of girls coming in with groups of guys. Also lots of girls working. Cover was 30 k!! It was absolute bonkers in there from 11 pm til closing. The after party at Paradise is from 4-6. Did not partake.[/QUOTE]Surprised that la Isla was open. Is there no nightly curfew from 10 pm-5 am at the moment? Is Gustos or Lleras Disco open?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2562017]

So my takeway of El Centro as of today is as follows: I am definitely more frightened about being in El Centro, but it won't stop me until I get knifed. You would think that seeing so many more girls out working on a Sunday, and some cute ones is great news, and yes for the mongers it is, but in reality it isn't, as there is a lot of desperation with women trying to make ends meet. And just not in Colombia, but everywhere. While in Mexico last week I did three street girls, and two of them had never worked before just like thie new one I met.

So besides the women who are desperate to survive and have a way to do it, you have all the others resorting to robbing others violently and reminiscent of the past in Colombia. And Johnny O was smart to stay within police presence like I did today. When there are no police around anytime of day in El Centro I won't be venturing out into these areas whereas before I would. The desperation based on my observations today and what I was told is very sad, and hopefully things will get better.

Anyways, tomorrow the Tomboy is coming over to stay with me for a few days, can't wait to jump her bones, and another day in paradise.[/QUOTE]Great report and its good to see you found a little diamond. My last chance venny from the other day is turning out be a real naughty sex freak. We've been chatting a lot on WA and she wants me to do some really naughty stuff for our next meet up, I can't wait because I keep seeing images of her in body in my mind.

I had my regular over the last few days but first I took a taxi over to her Barrio and we had a good walk around. She likes taking me on tours so last night we took the cable car to Santa Domingo and walked all around there as the sun went down. These Barrios are a real eye opener with some really nice restaurants and bars and I was really expecting to see a couple of centro regulars pop up LOL.

There seemed to be some type of family festival thing going on and I'm definitely going to be roaming these Barrios again as I like the vibe and to switch things up a bit.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2562012]I doubt he even knows what socialism is. Especially after he busted out with North Korea LOL.[/QUOTE]I considered responding and pointing out the errors but it just isn't worth getting into political discussions with someone who make up their "facts" as they go.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2562072]Nice report on Centro. Appreciate your insight on safety level currently present in the area.

Where is this pool located in Belen? Do we need a membership or do they do a day pass?[/QUOTE]Unidad Deportes Bellen, its a large City sports complex with soccer fields, tennis courts, etc. Just show up open from 8 AM to 4 PM but don't go between 12 and 1 a swim club uses the lanes. It's expensive thought at 8,500 Pesos to use but you can use free if you registed thru the City portal and reserve a time. The pools are also free in Esatdo, but only a certain limited amount of free spots and I don't know which pools and the current schedule there. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2562111]Surprised that la Isla was open. Is there no nightly curfew from 10 pm-5 am at the moment? Is Gustos or Lleras Disco open?[/QUOTE]Lleras is a ghost town after 10 pm. La Isla always opened late much throughout the pandemic.

They obviously have agreements with the police since there is police presence there which makes me feel more comfortable.

Use one of their private taxis on the way back is my suggestion.

Here is the downside for some. It will cost you more.

Cover was 30 mil. Taxis will charge you 50 mil.

They are the only show in town. I did hear Fase Dos is open til 2 but didn't bother to check.

Are you mixed up about authoritarian govts and socialist govt?

Govtl spending in France accounts for more than 60 percent of her GDP (entire national economy). The relevant figures for Canada and the USA are about 50 and 45 percent, respectively.

France has a socialist govt. USA is not a leissez faire gov either.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2561325]When socialism comes to Colombia we may have to avoid Colombia like we are Venezuela and go to another country for our lovely paisas.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Turgid;2561167]Like Venezuela.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=BlueTouch;2560846]What's your definition of socialism?[/QUOTE]

Has anybody gone to some of the Swinger clubs? I want to take one of my girls to one of them.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2562169]The purpose of social security as FDR admitted himself was to toss some crumbs to the masses to prevent the overthrow of the capitalist system. We've been to countries where the poor go destitute, starving and begging in the streets (not to mention peddling their pussies) and wonder really, isn't it about time we had that in the USA?[/QUOTE]The free flow of money to every person in the USA, regardless of citizen status can not continue. Trillions upon trillions going out will come back to bite us in the ass. Big time. Inflation is soaring at a record pace in the last 4 months, huge tax increases are at our door step. The job market is an anomaly and temporary. As the discretionary income dwindles the masses will not continue to spend and the jobs will dry up. So. There just might be more available pussy in the street looking for money for food. The gravy train is over for us, Thanks to the ones pulling the puppet strings.

They are not nearly the only game in town. Luna Lunera, and mileroticos are among other 24/7 options. La Isla is one of the more expensive late night venues. That is part of its attraction for some.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2562208]Lleras is a ghost town after 10 pm. La Isla always opened late much throughout the pandemic.

They obviously have agreements with the police since there is police presence there which makes me feel more comfortable.

Use one of their private taxis on the way back is my suggestion.

Here is the downside for some. It will cost you more.

Cover was 30 mil. Taxis will charge you 50 mil.

They are the only show in town. I did hear Fase Dos is open til 2 but didn't bother to check.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2562297]The free flow of money to every person in the USA, regardless of citizen status can not continue. Trillions upon trillions going out will come back to bite us in the ass. Big time. Inflation is soaring at a record pace in the last 4 months, huge tax increases are at our door step. The job market is an anomaly and temporary. As the discretionary income dwindles the masses will not continue to spend and the jobs will dry up. So. There just might be more available pussy in the street looking for money for food. The gravy train is over for us, Thanks to the ones pulling the puppet strings.[/QUOTE]Let's put a pin in this prediction and revisit it six months and a year from now. Let me ask what you think the accuracy of your economic predictions from a year ago have been? BTW. Who do you believe is pulling the puppet strings? It's clear to me who is pulling yours: Koch and Heritage Foundations through their paid propaganda arm, Fox News.

I reported on the Cali section how bad the situation there was; now I am in Medellin and I feel I am back to life again; in centro its business as usual; lots of working girls in the streets and no trace of riots or demonstrations whatsoever; Hopefully it will stay like that.

Cali has this tropical third world country feeling but Medellin has a more European outlook.

Prices in the streets go from $10 to 15 and you can really have spinners.

Lots of venezuelans; they are the cheapest and just a cute as colombian.

I know the fears after the videos of stabbing on plaza Botero and I was afraid too. But once you are there, you tend to forget about it; and there is a heavy police deployment.

Bottom line don't go to Cali for a while.

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2562276]Are you mixed up about authoritarian govts and socialist govt?

Govtl spending in France accounts for more than 60 percent of her GDP (entire national economy). The relevant figures for Canada and the USA are about 50 and 45 percent, respectively.

France has a socialist govt. USA is not a leissez faire gov either.[/QUOTE]Pussy availability is a multi factorial issue. It's economic, social-political, cultural, legal framework, addiction / mental health etc. Related. No one issue is solely responsible in any country. Heck there are even within country variances. Generally speaking, poorer economies, where prostitution is legal, culturally more tolerated, drug use prevalent, and the politics more chaotic that makes p4 p more available.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2561735]I might be missing something here and I get where all the angles are coming from and I agree with all the posters who are basically telling you that helping out this girl who you have really only had a business relationship with in the past is a clearcut "dar papaya".

That being said and knowing that you have the desire to help them put in this perspective, if my employee or a contractor that I did business with is going through a rough patch I do not give them charity. Because they are a business acquaintance not family or a close friend. But if I respect the person and they are going through a rough not of their making then I might figure out a way to throw them some work that benefits me. Not to sound to graphic here but you said she got shot in the foot not the heart, not the leg not the arm and not the pussy or the mouth. I could be wrong but it seems to me that a foot injury that she should recover from in a month means that soon she could be getting around on crutches for a little while, so why not just arrange for her door to door transportation and throw her some business, I repeat I might be missing something here but if she is as sweet as you say maybe it might be worth it to you to put forth a little effort so she can work for the money but you are not giving it to her for nothing.

Also think of it this way, it is okay that you perceive her as sweet and deserving of aid in this time of crisis but that is not the issue that effects you. It is her perception of you that will matter and because that perception started with money you will never know what it is for real so best just assume she sees you and she sees money.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the thoughtful response. You made me stop and think more than once while I was reading it, and I read it a few times.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2562017]So my takeway of El Centro as of today is as follows: I am definitely more frightened about being in El Centro, but it won't stop me until I get knifed..[/QUOTE]Jajaja, spoken like the true mongerer you are. Great idea to get her a burner phone. I read all your posts. Would it be correct to say you have gone from never banging a Candy Girl not too long ago, to that being one of your favorite pursuits?

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2562333]I know the fears after the videos of stabbing on plaza Botero and I was afraid too. But once you are there, you tend to forget about it; and there is a heavy police deployment.[/QUOTE]I would not let your guard down in El Centro, shit happens when you least expect it. I don't know how many times or how much experience you have there, but it is not like Tijuana, with one of the differences being the last thing you want to see in Tijuana are the Police. Again watch your back, especially if your an obvious gringo. As your aware the ladrones are always looking for people with something of value, and their mindset is that all foreigners have something of value, and hence are on the top of the list as potential targets.

On a positive note, no lockdowns this coming weekend and the curfew has been relaxed until midnight, meaning there will be lots of partying going on in town.

[QUOTE=Cbear13;2562280]Has anybody gone to some of the Swinger clubs? I want to take one of my girls to one of them.[/QUOTE]I am one of those interested! I have been in all swinger clubs of Medellin multiple times, alone or with a lady.

Plenty of information was posted in this thread in past years. I suggest you make a search for "swinger" and read the many reports including that keyword. There are just few ones, but this is Colombia: Medellin and Bogota are not as the sinful capitals of Europe. SWs in Colombia are interesting, but nothing like the clubs we have in Europe.

The problem is COVID (you may have heard that there is something around that has impacted and impacts our lifestyle...). I do not know if the few swinger clubs in Medellin still exist, are still open, ultimately if any couples still go there, while COVID is such a threat. I would wait next year before hoping to see those clubs active again as in the past.

Whats with having to wade through all the deep political posts, its been going on for days now and its getting way too serious. The issue is when folk are looking for info and reports on poon in Medellin they are going to have to swim through posts on taxation, Republicans, Democrats, socialism and other totally non related nonsense. Isn't there another section for this?

At the moment there doesn't seem to be much point in posting reports on chicas if its just going to get lost in all this political debate. Surely admin should step in?

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2562276]Are you mixed up about authoritarian govts and socialist govt?

Govtl spending in France accounts for more than 60 percent of her GDP (entire national economy). The relevant figures for Canada and the USA are about 50 and 45 percent, respectively.

France has a socialist govt. USA is not a leissez faire gov either.[/QUOTE]I like capitalist countries because they have a good hooker to john ratio. Prostitutes are private owners who engage in their business for profit and their trade and industry is not controlled by the state. Capitalism at its finest. You guys can keep your socialism and better yet go nurture your blueballs and live in a socialist state.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2562477]At the moment there doesn't seem to be much point in posting reports on chicas if its just going to get lost in all this political debate. Surely admin should step in?[/QUOTE]There's enough going on in Colombia politically that it's impossible to totally separate politics from the poon. It's like when mongers were getting annoyed with other mongers for talking about a once in a century pandemic. Come on. What's going on in life in general impacts the mongering hobby specifically. And if whatever it is happens to be pronounced and impactful enough, you can't expect folks not to talk about it. At the same time, if there is enough interest, then yes separate threads set up just for that kind of discussion is good. But until then, deal with it folks.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2562479]I like capitalist countries because they have a good hooker to john ratio. You guys can keep your socialism and better yet go nurture your blueballs and live in a socialist state.[/QUOTE]First time I hear someone hinting that in USA there is a good hooker / John ratio.

Dallas, TX, USA: $20 to have a dancer in front of me, not closer to me than 20 cm, with security at same distance from my shoulders checking that the distance limit to the dancer was obeyed.

Ho-Chi-Minh, Vietnam: $25 for 1 hour FS with a 20 yo babe.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2562499]Dallas, TX, USA: $20 to have a dancer in front of me, not closer to me than 20 cm, with security at same distance from my shoulders checking that the distance limit to the dancer was obeyed.

Ho-Chi-Minh, Vietnam: $25 for 1 hour FS with a 20 yo babe.[/QUOTE]Medellin, Colombia: $ 10 for 1 hour Bareback Session With a Cream Pie Finish.

Your complaint is reasonable. I don't even expect average intelligence at a mongers board, but some posts are just retarded / brain-damaged, and I couldn't help responding. I know the thread is about sex, but don't you feel pathetic dealing with miserably stupid people? Plus, how could you assume that these people have an accurate understanding and information of what's going on in the game?

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2562477]Whats with having to wade through all the deep political posts, its been going on for days now and its getting way too serious. The issue is when folk are looking for info and reports on poon in Medellin they are going to have to swim through posts on taxation, Republicans, Democrats, socialism and other totally non related nonsense. Isn't there another section for this?

At the moment there doesn't seem to be much point in posting reports on chicas if its just going to get lost in all this political debate. Surely admin should step in?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2562482]There's enough going on in Colombia politically that it's impossible to totally separate politics from the poon. It's like when mongers were getting annoyed with other mongers for talking about a once in a century pandemic. Come on. What's going on in life in general impacts the mongering hobby specifically. And if whatever it is happens to be pronounced and impactful enough, you can't expect folks not to talk about it. At the same time, if there is enough interest, then yes separate threads set up just for that kind of discussion is good. But until then, deal with it folks.[/QUOTE]I could understand if the discussions were about what's currently going on in Colombia. Avoiding getting caught up in a protest which turns violent is something most of us would rather avoid.

However, it's either US political babble or ridiculous hyperbole about Colombia by people who obviously know little or nothing about Colombian history and politics.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2562373]Jajaja, spoken like the true mongerer you are. Great idea to get her a burner phone. I read all your posts. Would it be correct to say you have gone from never banging a Candy Girl not too long ago, to that being one of your favorite pursuits?[/QUOTE]Candy girls, coffee girls, street girls, call them whatever you want, if they fit my criteria I will be pursuing them.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2562517]Medellin, Colombia: $ 10 for 1 hour Bareback Session With a Cream Pie Finish.[/QUOTE]"It's Not Even An Applies To Oranges Comparison?" I am surprised you did not get the dialectic logic. What I wrote is called [I]"disproving a false statement"[/I], which is not equivalent to proving the contrary of the false statement.

1) Someone claims:
- "I like capitalist countries because they have a good hooker to john ratio", and
- prostitution is "Capitalism at its finest" while living in a socialist state is good only for nurturing blueballs.

2) I brought:
- one example of ultra-capitalist country (USA) where mongering is a nightmare and the hooker-to-john ratio is depressing;.
- one example of communist country (Vietnam), where mongering is fabulous.

I disproved a false statement, which claims a relationship between conditions that are not correlated (socialism / capitalism vs. Ease of mongering). I did not prove that socialist countries are where mongering is at its best.
Probably now someone will rebut that USA has been approaching socialism since after the '50's. Communists infected Texas.
However, the economy of Vietnam is booming in the last 10 years.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2562017]Wow, so happy to be back. Arrived last night at 11 PM and was at my place by Midnight. Woke up and by 10 AM had the refrigerator full, everything un-packed, hit the ATM machine and withdrew 5. 4 Million Pesos, went to the Poblado Metro Station, loaded up my Civica, and arrived at ground zero at 10:30 AM, besides visiting again at 12:30 PM and again at 2:30 PM. I wanted to get some perspective after being gone a while.

This Sunday was not like any other Sunday I have ever observed at ground zero. Sunday's are always the slowest and worst days to be in El Centro for girls, but for some reason lots of times on Sundays I have good luck. Upon arriving at 10:30 AM, it was slim pickings, albeit seemed to be more girls out at that hour on a Sunday but I didn't like anything I saw so I called one of my regulars and she happened to be near by and met me in front of Hotel Nutibarra and we walked over to Hotel Deseos just down the block from the airport bus stop. She's early thirties and 5'11" tall, and slim, and a nympho, just what I was looking for to start the day and all in. I always have a difficult time understanding her Spanish, but understood enough and asked her about what had been going on over the past three months with all the robberies and video's that have been posted about here. She said there has been a heavy duty escalation of robberies over the past three months, with the difference being that instead of two or three guys now there are whole groups of guys like 6 to 8 attacking people. And apparently these groups are sometimes a mixture of both Colombians and Venezuelans working together which I found odd. The thing that she did say that was very alarming though was about how violent the robberies are nowadays with people getting knifed to death and not much said about it. She also said lots of the locals are also not visiting EL Centro as much anymore as well which makes perfect sense given that literally 100% of the victims are locals. She also said that the current times where reminiscent of the Pablo Escobar days as she remembered as a small child with all kinds of violence.

After my session with her, at 12:30 PM I went back over to ground zero and took a bunch of laps. What surprised me was how many more girls were out working on a Sunday during the middle of the day. Anyways, I decided to go swim laps at the pool in Bellen and hoped in a cab, and what a workout. On Saturday, and the entire week before I had been in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico ocean swimming and snorkeling everyday, but it was with flippers in salt water, so now no flippers and at a mile high. I got in forty minutes, showered, and hopped in a cab and arrived back at ground zero at 2:30 PM...[/QUOTE]Would you say Medellin is still relatively safe to visit as a gringo, as long as you stay away from el centro? Planning to stay in an Airbnb around Parque Lleras.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2562542]
- one example of communist country (Vietnam), where mongering is fabulous.
...
However, the economy of Vietnam is booming in the last 10 years.[/QUOTE]Vietnam is not governed as a communist country. It is a one-party government, and that party is the Communist Party, but the makeup of the government is not communism. They do not have a dictator. The National Assembly is the governing body, and it is elected by the people through secret ballots. There is free enterprise throughout the country. Free enterprise is the reason the economy is booming.

I would not classify the mongering there as fabulous. First of all, prostitution is illegal and enforced. I don't know about other cities, but in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) I don't believe there are prostitutes promoting themselves on the streets.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2562542]"It's Not Even An Applies To Oranges Comparison?" I am surprised you did not get the dialectic logic. What I wrote is called [I]"disproving a false statement"[/I], which is not equivalent to proving the contrary of the false statement.

1) Someone claims:
- "I like capitalist countries because they have a good hooker to john ratio", and
- prostitution is "Capitalism at its finest" while living in a socialist state is good only for nurturing blueballs.

2) I brought:
- one example of ultra-capitalist country (USA) where mongering is a nightmare and the hooker-to-john ratio is depressing;.
- one example of communist country (Vietnam), where mongering is fabulous.

I disproved a false statement, which claims a relationship between conditions that are not correlated (socialism / capitalism vs. Ease of mongering). I did not prove that socialist countries are where mongering is at its best.
Probably now someone will rebut that USA has been approaching socialism since after the '50's. Communists infected Texas.
However, the economy of Vietnam is booming in the last 10 years.[/QUOTE]No I didn't get it, with diallectric logic being way over my head what ever it is. My comparison was based solely on the sex act comparisons, with no consideration of whether it was from a capitalistic or communist country. But I get what your saying now. So much of the time my little head is doing the thinking when I read these posts. LOL.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2562561]Vietnam is not governed as a communist country. It is a one-party government, and that party is the Communist Party, but the makeup of the government is not communism. They do not have a dictator. The National Assembly is the governing body, and it is elected by the people through secret ballots. There is free enterprise throughout the country. Free enterprise is the reason the economy is booming.

I would not classify the mongering there as fabulous. First of all, prostitution is illegal and enforced. I don't know about other cities, but in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) I don't believe there are prostitutes promoting themselves on the streets.[/QUOTE]I was in Vietnam about five years ago and it was very interesting. As your aware, the Country used to be two Countries (North Vietnam and South Vietnam) up until the early seventies. With South Vietnam being free, not communist up until that time. While travelling around the Country I noticed a stark difference from the North in Hanoi and Saigon in the South. When I was there, there were hookers on the streets in Saigon, not a lot, but I found them, and took them to my Hotel, but maybe that has changed now.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2562499]First time I hear someone hinting that in USA there is a good hooker / John ratio.

Dallas, TX, USA: $20 to have a dancer in front of me, not closer to me than 20 cm, with security at same distance from my shoulders checking that the distance limit to the dancer was obeyed.

Ho-Chi-Minh, Vietnam: $25 for 1 hour FS with a 20 yo babe.[/QUOTE]The flag bearer of capitalism looks like UGANDA with homosexuals; If the american GESTAPO catch you paying for sex, it is worse than a DUI; you will loose your job, your freedom and maybe listed as a sex offender unless you have money and lawyers like ROBERT KRAFT.

The french should take back their statue of liberty.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2562449]I would not let your guard down in El Centro, shit happens when you least expect it. I don't know how many times or how much experience you have there, but it is not like Tijuana, with one of the differences being the last thing you want to see in Tijuana are the Police. Again watch your back, especially if your an obvious gringo. As your aware the ladrones are always looking for people with something of value, and their mindset is that all foreigners have something of value, and hence are on the top of the list as potential targets.

On a positive note, no lockdowns this coming weekend and the curfew has been relaxed until midnight, meaning there will be lots of partying going on in town.[/QUOTE]In Tijuana, if you see something say nothing; especially to the cops who are in bed with bad guys. The only time I was robbed in Tijuana was by the cops when they"searched" my pockets ($200).

I trust the cops much more in Colombia and they are usually very foreigners friendly.

Who is going to tell him?

[QUOTE=Maneschi;2562560]Would you say Medellin is still relatively safe to visit as a gringo, as long as you stay away from el centro? Planning to stay in an Airbnb around Parque Lleras.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2562525]Your complaint is reasonable. I don't even expect average intelligence at a mongers board, but some posts are just retarded / brain-damaged, and I couldn't help responding. I know the thread is about sex, but don't you feel pathetic dealing with miserably stupid people? Plus, how could you assume that these people have an accurate understanding and information of what's going on in the game?[/QUOTE]Times are rough, unique, maybe that allows for a little slack on non-mongering content here, I dunno, not my job to decide. A stretch would be any and all content is fair game because according to a lot of social theories sex is what makes the world go round, and those of us with a why chromosome (fucking auto editor on the site sucks! Just turn it the fuck off would be an improvement) are ruled by the Power of the Pussy, jajaja. OK, too big of a stretch. But it does show how guys here think. I am not prejudiced against race, color, religion, creed, ethnicity, political affiliation, height, weight, penis length, penis girth, food preferences, educational background or lack thereof, IQ, mono-lingual, bisexual, sexual orientation, satyrs, ascetics, favorite television shows, favorite colors, alcoholics, addicts, picky eaters (truth is I cannot hang out much with picky eaters, unless we never go eat). But there are more than a few guys here who cannot follow a thread of logic or reasoning through a simple point let alone an entire argument. So yeah, consider the source when that same guy switches back over to mongering, jaja.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2562561]Vietnam is not governed as a communist country. It is a one-party government, and that party is the Communist Party, but the makeup of the government is not communism. They do not have a dictator. The National Assembly is the governing body, and it is elected by the people through secret ballots. There is free enterprise throughout the country. Free enterprise is the reason the economy is booming.

I would not classify the mongering there as fabulous. First of all, prostitution is illegal and enforced. I don't know about other cities, but in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) I don't believe there are prostitutes promoting themselves on the streets.[/QUOTE]The concept of communism you have in mind only exists in a few random countries. Vietnam actually fought a war against Cambodia (Pol Pot) who tried to put traditional communism in place. Nonetheless, Vietnam has a similar strange hybrid communist / capitalist authoritarian government to China, though Vietnam's is more liberal in some ways. I think you're confusing communism with authoritarianism and single party government.

[QUOTE=Maneschi;2562560]Would you say Medellin is still relatively safe to visit as a gringo, as long as you stay away from el centro? Planning to stay in an Airbnb around Parque Lleras.[/QUOTE]Depends on the time of day, how comfortable you are in-country, do you speak any spanish, etc.

[QUOTE=Maneschi;2562560]Would you say Medellin is still relatively safe to visit as a gringo, as long as you stay away from el centro? Planning to stay in an Airbnb around Parque Lleras.[/QUOTE]It depends.

Botero Plaza is a major tourist attraction and it is in El Centro. The tourist area is fine during daytime when there is obvious police presence. When there is a protest, the police may be diverted to protest, then El Centro is not safe without the police.

In El Poblado, you want avoid to be alone in a quiet area. When you wait for Uber, it is better to wait inside the building if it is a quiet street.

This video shows coffee girls in El Centro.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wrnwX_5CF4[/URL]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2562586]I was in Vietnam about five years ago and it was very interesting. As your aware, the Country used to be two Countries (North Vietnam and South Vietnam) up until the early seventies. With South Vietnam being free, not communist up until that time. While travelling around the Country I noticed a stark difference from the North in Hanoi and Saigon in the South. When I was there, there were hookers on the streets in Saigon, not a lot, but I found them, and took them to my Hotel, but maybe that has changed now.[/QUOTE]They are still easily available, KTVs, MPs but the price have risen very rapidly. I have not noticed street girl scene in major city. You need to go to rural area to see something that is closer to street scene for about $10 a pop if my conversion is correct. You can find street girls in border town next tp China. It is weird all of a sudden this and another thread are talking about Vietnam.

These countries are still communist countries. One can have private property but only if the party allows you to own them, and they can take it back in a heartbeat. Just look at what happens to Alibaba now. The power is spread between several positions but one person can occupy all positions.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2562621]Again another right wing post overlooked by the admin.[/QUOTE]It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

Aristotle.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2562741]This video shows coffee girls in El Centro.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wrnwX_5CF4[/URL][/QUOTE]Nounce, where's the video of the candy girls?

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2562347]It's obvious old Joe can't put a cognitive thought together on his own. Do really think he is coming up with these dozens of EX orders on his own. The progressive left is setting his agenda on a daily basis. If you a free thinking, read between the lines, level headed individual and not a brain dead drone who holds the last liberal statements on social media as fact, you would be able to figure it out. Unfortunately, you and the left always resort to name calling and insults and not able to hold a fair and intellectual conversation and entertain an type of respectful debate, so for that reason I see you will never allow any discussion contrary to your thought process. So for that reason you are now on ignore.[/QUOTE]It's obvious old Joe can't put a cognitive thought together on his own. [B]How do you know? Is this first hand knowledge or just BS?[/B].

Do really think he is coming up with these dozens of EX orders on his own. [B] Again, how do you know? Are you in the WH daily? So, again, just a guess, right.[/B].

The progressive left is setting his agenda on a daily basis. [B]As opposed to Hannity, Carlson et al setting Donnie's agenda?[/B].

If you a free thinking, read between the lines, level headed individual and not a brain dead drone who holds the last liberal statements on social media as fact, you would be able to figure it out. [B] Really? Are you saying that Republicans have brains? Like the morons who invaded the Capitol on January 6th and are now crying 'Foxitis' as a defense?[/B].

Unfortunately, you and the left always resort to name calling and insults and not able to hold a fair and intellectual conversation and entertain an type of respectful debate, so for that reason I see you will never allow any discussion contrary to your thought process. [B]So "the right" never said "f your feelings", "Hilary lost, get over it", "I love the taste of liberal tears", etc.[/B].

So for that reason you are now on ignore.

[QUOTE=Maneschi;2562560]Would you say Medellin is still relatively safe to visit as a gringo, as long as you stay away from el centro? Planning to stay in an Airbnb around Parque Lleras.[/QUOTE]Where you stay is not what you should be considering so much in deciding whether to visit Medellin as you can just as easily be robbed in Poblado as in El Centro. You should be looking at how you monger, and sounds like you have ruled out El Centro. So the next question is, do you speak Spanish, if not things will be more difficult for you, especially having incall at an Airbnb or dealing with girls working LLeras or other venues like Fayboo. The language barrier has been discussed here many times and makes a gigantic difference, although others will disagree. Lots of first timers with no Spanish speaking skills just stay at the Mansion, and have everything spoon fed to them at a price, and that might be an option for you. Other guys just make casa / club runs, no Spanish skills necessary, so that might work for you.

So your question was, "is Medellin still relatively safe to visit as a gringo? And the answer is yes and no. Given the current state of affairs with the protests and the Pandemic, if I was like a financial advisor, albeit in this case a "monger advisor" I honestly would not advise anyone one who has never been here before and no Spanish speaking skills to wait and see. For guys that speak some Spanish and have mongered in other Latin Countries, and are not afraid of their shadow, like a financial advisor would say, "buy", I say "come".

I'm not trying to deter you from coming, but just giving you my take as a "monger advisor" as requested.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2562792]It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

Aristotle.[/QUOTE]Perhaps. But a truly educated man wouldn't be posting political dribble in a forum devoted to companionship related matters in Medellin, Colombia.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2562499]First time I hear someone hinting that in USA there is a good hooker / John ratio.

Dallas, TX, USA: $20 to have a dancer in front of me, not closer to me than 20 cm, with security at same distance from my shoulders checking that the distance limit to the dancer was obeyed.

Ho-Chi-Minh, Vietnam: $25 for 1 hour FS with a 20 yo babe.[/QUOTE]From reading ISG the best destination for mongering today is Medellin, Colombia followed by Brazil and Mexico. Before the pandemic also up there were Thailand, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Germany. All are capitalist countries. There is not one socialist / communist country that has good mongering. The best mongering I have had in my life was in NYC, USA in the 1970's / 1980's when capitalism was at its peak in the USA. Mongering was also great in many other states back then. Mongers did not need to travel abroad back then for good poontang. I rest my case.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2562688]Depends on the time of day, how comfortable you are in-country, do you speak any spanish, etc.[/QUOTE]Yes -- you are staying in a safe area that has a good police presence due to tourism. My suggestion is to visit casas during the day. Plug the addresses into your uber app.

The casas are safe, efficient and cheap. Quality fluxuates but you can also find diamonds.

At night check out Gustos and the strip clubs which are pricer but safe.

You may consider staying at the mansion. The downside is you are very isolated from normal tourist activities.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2562499]First time I hear someone hinting that in USA there is a good hooker / John ratio.

Dallas, TX, USA: $20 to have a dancer in front of me, not closer to me than 20 cm, with security at same distance from my shoulders checking that the distance limit to the dancer was obeyed.[/QUOTE]It's obvious that you don't have a clue about what goes on in Dallas, TX. You're spreading misinformation. Name the club you went to in Dallas.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2562851]It's obvious that you don't have a clue about what goes on in Dallas, TX. You're spreading misinformation. Name the club you went to in Dallas.[/QUOTE]Somewhere not far (with a car) from downtown Hyatt, but it was more than 10 years ago. Indeed, I cannot forget the security man checking the 20 cm safety distance (expressed in inches, but I remember the amount) while very seriously stating "It's Law". How could I argue. What a memorable experience.

I'd be really happy for all Texans Bros to know that now Texas is Monger's Paradise, that strip clubs allow groping, and prices went low.
I note your enthusiasm for the local scene. I will not argue. I wish you happy mongering in USA!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2562821]From reading ISG the best destination for mongering today is Medellin, Colombia followed by Brazil and Mexico. Before the pandemic also up there were Thailand, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Germany. All are capitalist countries. There is not one socialist / communist country that has good mongering.[/QUOTE]Well, it depends for who. On ISG, we read about the destinations where ISG members go. Who are the ISG members? It's the world seen from a specific standpoint. I can well understand that the average gringo has a harder mongering life in Vietnam or in PRC, but locals and semi-locals enjoy more there than a gringo in Colombia.
By the way, in Europe we had the myth of East Europe as Mongering Paradise, until it was spoiled and destroyed by the fall of old communist systems.

Compare the ISG reports in Singapore (a place which can be fun) with what is written on ******** or (if we can read, but I don't) a local forum written in Chinese. Two different worlds pictured, two different price systems. Yet, the place is the same.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2562581]with no consideration of whether it was from a capitalistic or communist country. [/QUOTE]
Only on ISG Medellin there could be a discussion about the relationship between capitalism, socialism and prostitution! LOL Most active thread in ISG during Pandemic.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2562796]Nounce, where's the video of the candy girls?[/QUOTE]I am waiting. Maybe he will start interviewing candy girls when he is done with coffee girls.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2562581]My comparison was based solely on the sex act comparisons, with no consideration of whether it was from a capitalistic or communist country.[/QUOTE]BP quoted you but he mentioned "someone" that is not you when talking about countries.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2562877]Somewhere not far (with a car) from downtown Hyatt, but it was more than 10 years ago. Indeed, I cannot forget the security man checking the 20 cm safety distance (expressed in inches, but I remember the amount) while very seriously stating "It's Law". How could I argue. What a memorable experience.

I'd be really happy for all Texans Bros to know that now Texas is Monger's Paradise, that strip clubs allow groping, and prices went low.
I note your enthusiasm for the local scene. I will not argue. I wish you happy mongering in USA![/QUOTE]10 years ago, in Dallas it was far more liberal than it is today. LOL You could get FS in most clubs. Today you can still do so in a few VIP's, but mostly HJ & BF's. Dances remain the same $20/ dance. Groping has most always been allowed here. Back to the actual subject, I love Medellin!

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2562877]Somewhere not far (with a car) from downtown Hyatt, but it was more than 10 years ago. Indeed, I cannot forget the security man checking the 20 cm safety distance (expressed in inches, but I remember the amount) while very seriously stating "It's Law". How could I argue. What a memorable experience.

I'd be really happy for all Texans Bros to know that now Texas is Monger's Paradise, that strip clubs allow groping, and prices went low.
I note your enthusiasm for the local scene. I will not argue. I wish you happy mongering in USA![/QUOTE]It's all good. As far as mongering, I just returned from Colombia this month (Cartagena / Bogota) so that tells you how I feel about the USA mongering scene. LOL.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2562744]They are still easily available, KTVs, MPs but the price have risen very rapidly. I have not noticed street girl scene in major city. You need to go to rural area to see something that is closer to street scene for about $10 a pop if my conversion is correct. You can find street girls in border town next tp China. It is weird all of a sudden this and another thread are talking about Vietnam.[/QUOTE]Can confirm. Was in Saigon (HCM), Hanoi, and Da Nang. KTV girls were the hottest, but would charge $400-600 for overnight (F that I had to resort to jerking to porn gif files on Twitter a couple time to unload my balls as porn sites are banned! I was expecting prices to correlate with the avg income per capita, but that is not the case with VN. Those girls would not budge on the prices either.

This was in December 2019.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2562888]I am waiting. Maybe he will start interviewing candy girls when he is done with coffee girls.[/QUOTE]Today I noticed quite a few "Netflix Girls" in and around Parque Berrio and one was okay, so know I've added them to my radar scope.

After spending a lot of the day on Sunday in El Centro I returned in the afternoon Wednesday. On Monday I had my Tomboy come over to my place and she stayed with me until Wednesday morning. She's a goofy looking thing, missing a few teeth, nice body though, and one of the most loving and passionate women I've ever been with and we get along great together. I have taken her on some trips and no drama ever and a great companion with no maintenance issues. And sexually into it anywhere (suanas) and anytime, when I wake up with morning wood at 6 AM, no problem she's totally into it, and besides cleaning my clock she cleans house and has no problem getting on her hands and knees and scrubbing floors.

Anyways, after she left in the morning I did some chores, hit the pool in Bellen, and arrived at ground zero at 3:30 PM in the afternoon. There was quite a few girls out which I noticed while making laps, and a lot of new and pretty ones I hadn't seen before, especially more Venezuelans. Within fifteen minutes of arriving I got hit up by four girls I had been with before, and politely declined, and kind of felt like a fresh laid turd, with the all the flys landing on me. I spent about an hour looking for the spinner I had met on Sunday, and wanting to go with her if available.

While making my laps I witnessed something I had never seen before. A guy with a missing leg who was naked was getting hosed down with a garden hose (mangera) by an employee of the Museum, and after being hosed down the guy went and put his clothes on. Bizarre but not surprising.

There also was a very pregnant Chica a few doors down from the Zona Rosa giving me the google eye so I was curious if she was working as she looked like she was ready to pop so I chatted her up. Seven and half months pregnant, Venezuelan who has been in Medellin a month, and goes to the room but only doggie, side entry, or her on top. Not sure how a guy could even get it in her being on top because she was so big. So I asked her how much to go to the room and she says 40 K. I started laughing at her and she immediately said I'll go with you for thirty. I had no intention of going with her, and wanted to ask her what made her think she was so special that she could ask for so much when there are girls going for 20 K. But feeling sorry for her I just politely declined. The Venezuelans operate a bit differently than the Colombians, they are either dirt cheap, or will try to get as much as they can and I don't blame them for trying. Anyways I was getting tired, my spinner was not out, so I pulled one of my regulars who was hanging out by the pay phones at the Church. And what do you know, when I finished and was leaving, the spinner was out. That's just how it goes in El Centro, it's hit or miss.

That's just how it goes in El Centro, it's hit or miss.

It happened to me so many times too; you find them when you don't look for them hence always get their phone number.

I want to get your guys opinion on something. I am a facebook user and for those of you that are familiar; there is an obvious difference in girl's pages that have a "professional page" that show off their body, pictures in planes that are obviously going to Panama to get bigger dollars. Haha. They show themselves at parties posing and showing off their nail jobs, making sure they have their Apple Logo from the back of their phones showing clearly where you can see it in the mirror, etc. And they always overcharge! And then there are girls who have pages that are more normal. These girls show their family, their kids sometimes, going out to a humble dinner with friends. They still have cute pics, but they are not promoting themselves as full time prepagos and they seem to be reasonable on rates. In my experiences, I have more fun with the humble girls. They seem to be more sexually wild, personal and willing to experiment and actually have fun during the appointment. The professional girls are more interested in taking pictures of themselves on your balcony to promote themselves for the next guy that they are selling a lame lay to. Looking at their phone every 5 minutes and sometimes that box stinks from overuse! What are your guys thoughts and experiences?

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2563006]I want to get your guys opinion on something. I am a facebook user and for those of you that are familiar; there is an obvious difference in girl's pages that have a "professional page" that show off their body, pictures in planes that are obviously going to Panama to get bigger dollars. Haha. They show themselves at parties posing and showing off their nail jobs, making sure they have their Apple Logo from the back of their phones showing clearly where you can see it in the mirror, etc. And they always overcharge! And then there are girls who have pages that are more normal. These girls show their family, their kids sometimes, going out to a humble dinner with friends. They still have cute pics, but they are not promoting themselves as full time prepagos and they seem to be reasonable on rates. In my experiences, I have more fun with the humble girls. They seem to be more sexually wild, personal and willing to experiment and actually have fun during the appointment. The professional girls are more interested in taking pictures of themselves on your balcony to promote themselves for the next guy that they are selling a lame lay to. Looking at their phone every 5 minutes and sometimes that box stinks from overuse! What are your guys thoughts and experiences?[/QUOTE]Here is my dos cents, there are 2 types of hookers and 2 types of mongers (yes a gross over generalization).

But my point is alpha hookers hunt beta mongers to overcharge, and alpha mongers avoid alpha hookers like syphilis.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2563006]sometimes that box stinks from overuse![/QUOTE]There is no such thing. Must be other issues chicks you are dealing with are having.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2562961]While making my laps I witnessed something I had never seen before. A guy with a missing leg who was naked was getting hosed down with a garden hose (mangera) by an employee of the Museum, and after being hosed down the guy went and put his clothes on. Bizarre but not surprising.

There also was a very pregnant Chica a few doors down from the Zona Rosa giving me the google eye so I was curious if she was working as she looked like she was ready to pop so I chatted her up. Seven and half months pregnant, Venezuelan who has been in Medellin a month, and goes to the room but only doggie, side entry, or her on top. Not sure how a guy could even get it in her being on top because she was so big. So I asked her how much to go to the room and she says 40 K. I started laughing at her and she immediately said I'll go with you for thirty. I had no intention of going with her, and wanted to ask her what made her think she was so special that she could ask for so much when there are girls going for 20 K. But feeling sorry for her I just politely declined. [/QUOTE]I thought the same. But 2 different girls informed me that it is not a guy but is a girl. I have seen the bath thing 3 different times and have to look away. I will not verify what sex that thing has. It makes me mad when that girl starts yelling at people at 11:00 pm asking for money.

That was rude to laugh at the pregnant girl. If she said something way out of line like 100 then yes. But asking 40 and laughing was not nice. She dropped her price to what is the regular price and you walked away. If you had no real interest you should not have approached her and teased her because that is what it sounds like to me.

Some guys will say that any women who accepts cash for sex is a puta and they are all the same. I tend to be more on your side. I avoid most "pros" like the plague. They charge high prices, often provide ordinary (or worse) service, and don't have good attitudes. I prefer other chicas. Some of them work more than others, but their prices are more reasonable, they tend to hang out if you want them to, some of them are wild (or at least willing to try new things) and actually enjoy sex. As those who have read my posts before know, I have taken it one step further and found non-pros who don't require money to bang. They just enjoy some food and some time in the jacuzzi (some of them have never been in a jacuzzi before). Granted, finding these non-pros does require effort and IMO you have to be careful not to give them the wrong idea that you want something exclusive or long-term.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2563006]I want to get your guys opinion on something. I am a facebook user and for those of you that are familiar; there is an obvious difference in girl's pages that have a "professional page" that show off their body, pictures in planes that are obviously going to Panama to get bigger dollars. Haha. They show themselves at parties posing and showing off their nail jobs, making sure they have their Apple Logo from the back of their phones showing clearly where you can see it in the mirror, etc. And they always overcharge! And then there are girls who have pages that are more normal. These girls show their family, their kids sometimes, going out to a humble dinner with friends. They still have cute pics, but they are not promoting themselves as full time prepagos and they seem to be reasonable on rates. In my experiences, I have more fun with the humble girls. They seem to be more sexually wild, personal and willing to experiment and actually have fun during the appointment. The professional girls are more interested in taking pictures of themselves on your balcony to promote themselves for the next guy that they are selling a lame lay to. Looking at their phone every 5 minutes and sometimes that box stinks from overuse! What are your guys thoughts and experiences?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2563053]Some guys will say that any women who accepts cash for sex is a puta and they are all the same. I tend to be more on your side. I avoid most "pros" like the plague. They charge high prices, often provide ordinary (or worse) service, and don't have good attitudes. I prefer other chicas. Some of them work more than others, but their prices are more reasonable, they tend to hang out if you want them to, some of them are wild (or at least willing to try new things) and actually enjoy sex. As those who have read my posts before know, I have taken it one step further and found non-pros who don't require money to bang. They just enjoy some food and some time in the jacuzzi (some of them have never been in a jacuzzi before). Granted, finding these non-pros does require effort and IMO you have to be careful not to give them the wrong idea that you want something exclusive or long-term.[/QUOTE]I know you didn't say that but it is one of the most ridiculous arguments that persists in the mongering world. Putas range from a glue-sniffing El Centro skank to I know of a Colombian doctor who will fuck for the right price. To lump them all in a single category is ridiculous. Men attempt to degrade women by saying there is some sort of irrevocable line that is crossed once a chica takes money. Ha, the chicas here are more honest and less mercenary than going the "traditional" route in the states. A ton of marriages in the USA are based on a girl hooking a guy with sex for marriage which then sets her up for the divorce lottery and half is assets. There is an entirely different cultural approach here where love equals money, not just to putas. The average Gringo is wealthy to regular girls, and they assume if you love them, why wouldn't you share the wealth? Valid point. I have not proven my point, but if every woman who has ever taken money for sex is a puta, then we have to include your mother, your sister, and your daughter.

There are different approaches and yours is as valid as the guy who wants nothing more than a mudhole, simple and done. Not all putas are the same and not all girls who take money in a relationship are putas. Guys who think like that simply lack the insight to discriminate.

[QUOTE=Bonhead;2382730]This guy was busted by the Feds a week back and is currently locked up awaiting trial. The 16 year old involved is cooperating with the authorities in Colombia to ensure he is convicted.
He is being held at MCC in Manhattan where El Chapo was housed while awaiting trial.

Victor Galarza.

[URL]https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1806699974[/URL][/QUOTE]Colombian and US authorities do not tolerate engaging in commercial sexual activities with those under the age of 18 regardless of what local Colombian law allows.

Some of you here undoubtedly came across this d-bag over the years. He was always trying to promote parties, live large off of others even though he lived with his mom.

[URL]https://instagram.com/victormedayork?[/URL]

Last week Victor Galarza accepted a plea agreement to plead guilty to several crimes related to sex with minors and production of child pornography. He has been locked up in MDC Brooklyn (Federal prison) since being arrested in October 2019 upon returning to the JFK where HSI agents confiscated his phone and found voluminous details of his criminal activities with minors. His guilty plea means he will face a minimum of 15 years in prison up to 30 years when he is sentenced next month. His plea agreement will likely land him on the lower end of the sentencing guidelines.

Always stay on the right side of the law gents. When in doubt, be smart and move to a situation where there is absolutely zero doubt or room for error.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2562993]That's just how it goes in El Centro, it's hit or miss.

It happened to me so many times too; you find them when you don't look for them hence always get their phone number.[/QUOTE]Something your missing here is that a lot of the girls in El Centro do not have phones typically because they are so poor they can't afford them, than there those who have them, and loose them, damage them, or have them stolen.

And another issue the girls have is they get a phone, they don't register it with the carrier such as Claro, and hence the service is typically cut off after a month and they loose their number. So even if they have a phone, and you get their number, it might not be around long, let alone them even answering it based on my personal experience dealing with lots of the El Centro girls.

So getting their number's, yes, I always do of the ones I want to see again, but invariably, with the exception of a few, the numbers disappear after a while.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2563016]There is no such thing. Must be other issues chicks you are dealing with are having.[/QUOTE]From what I learned over the years it's an overgrowth of bacteria in her pussy. It can be caused by multiple partners who may be unclean or overuse of antibiotics. The worse the case the worse the odor. I can't remember the last time I has a chick with that odor in Colombia, in Brazil or even in Peru for that matter. It's been years since I was in Costa Rica but I did run into that bone killing stench more than once in Costa Rica. I think it is connected to a yeast infection and guys can get it too. Maybe our health professional members can tell us more.

[QUOTE=TheGoodGuy100;2382829]Hey guys,

So if I'm not mistaken, Colombia is probably one of the best places in the world for this type of thing.

I have heard things are cheap here and that the risk of STDs is relatively low compared to a lot of other places in the world, plus the girls are amazing and its not really a worry when it comes to legality.

I want to take a trip to here relatively soon, but before I do so, I wanted to ask for a beginners guide or a crash course prior to landing.

Any advice guys? It surely would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Read the reports that are linked in this thread.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2016-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction[/URL]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2562961]After spending a lot of the day on Sunday in El Centro I returned in the afternoon Wednesday. On Monday I had my Tomboy come over to my place and she stayed with me until Wednesday morning. She's a goofy looking thing, missing a few teeth, nice body though, and one of the most loving and passionate women I've ever been with and we get along great together. I have taken her on some trips and no drama ever and a great companion with no maintenance issues. And sexually into it anywhere (suanas) and anytime, when I wake up with morning wood at 6 AM, no problem she's totally into it, and besides cleaning my clock she cleans house and has no problem getting on her hands and knees and scrubbing floors.

Anyways, after she left in the morning I did some chores, hit the pool in Bellen, and arrived at ground zero at 3:30 PM in the afternoon. There was quite a few girls out which I noticed while making laps, and a lot of new and pretty ones I hadn't seen before, especially more Venezuelans. Within fifteen minutes of arriving I got hit up by four girls I had been with before, and politely declined, and kind of felt like a fresh laid turd, with the all the flys landing on me. I spent about an hour looking for the spinner I had met on Sunday, and wanting to go with her if available.

While making my laps I witnessed something I had never seen before. A guy with a missing leg who was naked was getting hosed down with a garden hose (mangera) by an employee of the Museum, and after being hosed down the guy went and put his clothes on. Bizarre but not surprising.

There also was a very pregnant Chica a few doors down from the Zona Rosa giving me the google eye so I was curious if she was working as she looked like she was ready to pop so I chatted her up. Seven and half months pregnant, Venezuelan who has been in Medellin a month, and goes to the room but only doggie, side entry, or her on top. Not sure how a guy could even get it in her being on top because she was so big. So I asked her how much to go to the room and she says 40 K. I started laughing at her and she immediately said I'll go with you for thirty. I had no intention of going with her, and wanted to ask her what made her think she was so special that she could ask for so much when there are girls going for 20 K. But feeling sorry for her I just politely declined. The Venezuelans operate a bit differently than the Colombians, they are either dirt cheap, or will try to get as much as they can and I don't blame them for trying. Anyways I was getting tired, my spinner was not out, so I pulled one of my regulars who was hanging out by the pay phones at the Church. And what do you know, when I finished and was leaving, the spinner was out. That's just how it goes in El Centro, it's hit or miss.[/QUOTE]Surfer, I was there yesterday also, I am trying to recall the time because I also witnessed something very strange. I think yesterday it was around 2. 30 -3. 00 pm. I was looking for a regular that went off the radar and no had intention of taking another, wanted to go to DC if I did not see her so I did a very quick lap. There were a few lookers and also a few new ones as you reported. I had a bad morning session so didn't want to take a chance on someone new. Anyway passed the ice cream place as the park starts on the right there was a large crowd gathered around a tree / Bush there were also police. Curiosity got the better off me and I wanted to see what it was, I didn't want to mingle in the crowd so I angled myself to a certain vantage point while not being in the crowd and I could see absolutely nothing obvious, they were all just staring into the bushes?

In the morning I wanted to try out a new morning provider. I asked a centro girl if she could come at 10, yes but we all know what that means. Obviously providing an address and time and then just expecting your bell to ring without drama is too much to ask for. I really find astounding how dumb and unorganised these girls can be. I said this before but I thought asian girls were bad, my god, they are geniuses compared to vennys.

After twice providing my address and map location she tells me she doesn't have money for a taxi. Ok, no problem I will send an uber, this turns in long discussion back and forth. I tell her I am only waiting until 11 and then its cancelled. Just before 11 she says she's in a taxi but has no data. I then start getting the voice messages and calls from her and the taxi driver asking what my address is, how can she be that stupid not to have my address saved, and the map location. In a city as small as Medellin from Centro to Laureles it really is astounding, its like organising a mission to mars. She arrives at nearly 11.30 and then she's hungry so we go for lunch and by the time that's done and back at the apartment its after 12. I know most of you guys would think I'm soft for taking her to lunch but if girl tells me she's hungry and she's supposed to be at mine for 2 hours then I'm not going to feel relaxed.

Time to switch tactics, I'm trying Facebook and I am going to get more strict about the time, they will get half an hour leeway then the cita is cancelled.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2563165]Surfer, I was there yesterday also, I am trying to recall the time because I also witnessed something very strange. I think yesterday it was around 2. 30 -3. 00 pm. I was looking for a regular that went off the radar and no had intention of taking another, wanted to go to DC if I did not see her so I did a very quick lap. There were a few lookers and also a few new ones as you reported. I had a bad morning session so didn't want to take a chance on someone new. Anyway passed the ice cream place as the park starts on the right there was a large crowd gathered around a tree / Bush there were also police. Curiosity got the better off me and I wanted to see what it was, I didn't want to mingle in the crowd so I angled myself to a certain vantage point while not being in the crowd and I could see absolutely nothing obvious, they were all just staring into the bushes?.[/QUOTE]Besides the naked one legged man getting hosed down at the Museum I saw yesterday, I witnessed exactly what you saw in the park. It had to of been an animal, and a rare one to be found in the City. The two police that were there seemed quite interested as well. I have to assume they don't have an animal control department in Medellin that could of been called out.

As far as the El Centro Chicas visiting you. You have to keep in mind that very few if any of them have ever been to Poblado or Laureles. So it's kind of like taking a fish out of water with some of them. They know how to get on the bus or Metro to get to their barrio, but many of them have never been to the fancier parts of town. And yes I have had some of the same drama with Chicas travelling from place to place. Given what you reported on was such a hassle, a better strategy might of been to just meet her in El Centro and then hop in a cab over to your place. And if she is late meeting you in El Centro, oh well, next!

As far as trying out the Fayboo Chicas, look for some of Jbee2 posts on how to go about it if your new to it. I don't do Fayboo Chicas, and up until the Pandemic, the majority of the reports on this thread were about Fayboo Chicas, but no longer and thankfully so, but there was lot's of good information in them, so if you go back prior to March 2020 there may be some helpful information for you in them.

[QUOTE=TheGoodGuy100;2382829]Hey guys,

I want to take a trip to here relatively soon, but before I do so, I wanted to ask for a beginners guide or a crash course prior to landing.

Any advice guys? It surely would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]My advice would be to read the forum and come back with any specific questions you might have.

Good chance you won't have many questions after spending time reading the forum.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2561770]

2. Rates in Medellin vary depending on where you get the girl. On the low side street girls in El Centro can be found for 30 k, about $8. On the high side night club girls in Parque Lleras might ask $200 or more. Typically, the Facebook girls can be had for 150-250 k. Tinder girls seem to be asking for a bit more. Whenever a girl tells me her rate, I usually respond with "Siempre pago" and then throw out a lower price.

Any questions, just ask.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info! One question. What price can you expect if you want to spend with the girl the whole night? Yeah, it depends, but still what can I expect? I mean semi pro girls from Tinder, Facebook, Insta, etc.

During my last visits in Asia and Africa I usually find a semi-pro and we spend the night together. Sometimes the day also. My experience shows that for the whole night they are pretty happy with the price that they will get for one shot meeting plus 20-30% added to that. It's depend of the way you treat the girl, how you look and how you talk to her but basically this is the price that you can expect. For example in Pattaya was something like 3000 baht for whole night, 2000 for one meeting (1-2 hours). In Africa was something like this. I'm wondering how it is in Colombia? Thanks!

Decided to try a morning run to centro again, Thur Midday ish, I can only describe it as close to empty. Never saw it that deserted before. There were a few of the usual hardcore putas and that's it.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2563221]Thanks for the info! One question. What price can you expect if you want to spend with the girl the whole night? Yeah, it depends, but still what can I expect? I mean semi pro girls from Tinder, Facebook, Insta, etc.

During my last visits in Asia and Africa I usually find a semi-pro and we spend the night together. Sometimes the day also. My experience shows that for the whole night they are pretty happy with the price that they will get for one shot meeting plus 20-30% added to that. It's depend of the way you treat the girl, how you look and how you talk to her but basically this is the price that you can expect. For example in Pattaya was something like 3000 baht for whole night, 2000 for one meeting (1-2 hours). In Africa was something like this. I'm wondering how it is in Colombia? Thanks![/QUOTE]As you said it depends on the girl. Usually, if the girl is getting 150-200 k, 300-400 k will work for toda la noche. You may run into issues with some who don't have a babysitter for all night. You may also have issues with some wanting to leave before morning. I would specify a time, such as Quedaras hasta a las 8, You will stay until 8.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2563221]Thanks for the info! One question. What price can you expect if you want to spend with the girl the whole night? Yeah, it depends, but still what can I expect? I mean semi pro girls from Tinder, Facebook, Insta, etc.

During my last visits in Asia and Africa I usually find a semi-pro and we spend the night together. Sometimes the day also. My experience shows that for the whole night they are pretty happy with the price that they will get for one shot meeting plus 20-30% added to that. It's depend of the way you treat the girl, how you look and how you talk to her but basically this is the price that you can expect. For example in Pattaya was something like 3000 baht for whole night, 2000 for one meeting (1-2 hours). In Africa was something like this. I'm wondering how it is in Colombia? Thanks![/QUOTE]300 k is pretty typical for all night. But it really depends on many factors including how well you get along. If she halfway enjoys your company and she has no other plans, she might stay for marginally more than the short-time donation. If she doesn’t like you, she’ll agree to all night, take your money, and leave at 1:00 am after saying there’s an emergency she needs to attend to.

I absolutely wouldn't broach the subject of all night or all day until you've had a test drive.

Thanks for the info guys. So 300-400 k can be expected. Is Tinder popular in Colombia? It was a gold mine in Southeast and Africa, hope it works in South America too.

[QUOTE=Combo;2563252] If she doesnt like you, shell agree to all night, take your money, and leave at 1:00 am after saying theres an emergency she needs to attend to.

[/QUOTE]It's a possibility, but usually I have the opposite problem LOL Yeah, I know that it depends and it have risks, but after all I'm doing this in the last 3 years in 5-6 different countries and I got some experience. And honestly after trying toda la noche, since then this short time visits for me are not so much fun, to be honest. Again, it depends. Sometimes I prefer ST, some times LT. But these big cities are full with hot an horny semi pro's that are bored to death of their usual ordinary life. And when they say "fuck it" and decide to have some fun, then it becomes really interesting.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2563022]I thought the same. But 2 different girls informed me that it is not a guy but is a girl. I have seen the bath thing 3 different times and have to look away. I will not verify what sex that thing has. It makes me mad when that girl starts yelling at people at 11:00 pm asking for money.

That was rude to laugh at the pregnant girl. If she said something way out of line like 100 then yes. But asking 40 and laughing was not nice. She dropped her price to what is the regular price and you walked away. If you had no real interest you should not have approached her and teased her because that is what it sounds like to me.[/QUOTE]The pregnant girl had a bag of candy in her hand and motioned me over. When I approached I handed her a 500 Peso coin. I never had any interest in her, but was curious if someone so pregnant and so big was actually working, hence I asked the questions in terms of what kind of restrictions she had if she was working and then asked how much out of curiosity. I wasn't there to tease her, and was very polite to her. And what she did ask for, at 40 K, was out of line, and although I'm not a local, she would of never quoted 40 K to a local, hence I laughed, and she wasn't offended. And in fact, afterwards I gave her another 1,000 pesos in coins when I departed which she thanked me for.

I tread on water when in El Centro, and if anything try to befriend people versus piss them off, there is a major "grapevine" with the girls in El Centro so pissing them off, and being rude or disrespectful is not how I roll.

Now as far the bath thing, well you must be down there a lot to have witness this three times and it's a pretty sad sight. Once was enough for me.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2563293]The pregnant girl had a bag of candy in her hand and motioned me over. When I approached I handed her a 500 Peso coin. I never had any interest in her, but was curious if someone so pregnant and so big was actually working, hence I asked the questions in terms of what kind of restrictions she had if she was working and then asked how much out of curiosity. I wasn't there to tease her, and was very polite to her. And what she did ask for, at 40 K, was out of line, and although I'm not a local, she would of never quoted 40 K to a local, hence I laughed, and she wasn't offended. And in fact, afterwards I gave her another 1,000 pesos in coins when I departed which she thanked me for.

I tread on water when in El Centro, and if anything try to befriend people versus piss them off, there is a major "grapevine" with the girls in El Centro so pissing them off, and being rude or disrespectful is not how I roll.

Now as far the bath thing, well you must be down there a lot to have witness this three times and it's a pretty sad sight. Once was enough for me.[/QUOTE]Always a good idea to be culturally sensitive, and even good intentions can have unintended opposite meanings. We would use the phrase in the USA "like apples and oranges" to emphasize differences. When I said that to my novia, "como manzanas why naranjas" my Spanish was fine, but she replied in earnest (translated), "Yes, they are the same, like two round fruits. " Jajajajajaaa, so true. Knowing the culture is as important as knowing the language.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2563230]Decided to try a morning run to centro again, Thur Midday ish, I can only describe it as close to empty. Never saw it that deserted before. There were a few of the usual hardcore putas and that's it.[/QUOTE]I don't agree. I went to the centro today at around 3 pm and it was bustling as usual. The asking price is around 30000 pesos and the room 12000.

There are also a lot of girls in the bars but they are are just here to drink not to have sex (what's the point?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2563134]Something your missing here is that a lot of the girls in El Centro do not have phones typically because they are so poor they can't afford them, than there those who have them, and loose them, damage them, or have them stolen.

And another issue the girls have is they get a phone, they don't register it with the carrier such as Claro, and hence the service is typically cut off after a month and they loose their number. So even if they have a phone, and you get their number, it might not be around long, let alone them even answering it based on my personal experience dealing with lots of the El Centro girls.

So getting their number's, yes, I always do of the ones I want to see again, but invariably, with the exception of a few, the numbers disappear after a while.[/QUOTE]The what's app # should be carried over though; I also ask for the email address if I really want to see the girl again.

Don't anyone go all Woody Allen on us, keep your mitts off the kinder!

[QUOTE=Bonhead;2563128]Colombian and US authorities do not tolerate engaging in commercial sexual activities with those under the age of 18 regardless of what local Colombian law allows.

Some of you here undoubtedly came across this d-bag over the years. He was always trying to promote parties, live large off of others even though he lived with his mom.

[URL]https://instagram.com/victormedayork?[/URL]

Last week Victor Galarza accepted a plea agreement to plead guilty to several crimes related to sex with minors and production of child pornography. He has been locked up in MDC Brooklyn (Federal prison) since being arrested in October 2019 upon returning to the JFK where HSI agents confiscated his phone and found voluminous details of his criminal activities with minors. His guilty plea means he will face a minimum of 15 years in prison up to 30 years when he is sentenced next month. His plea agreement will likely land him on the lower end of the sentencing guidelines.

Always stay on the right side of the law gents. When in doubt, be smart and move to a situation where there is absolutely zero doubt or room for error.[/QUOTE]

This is an interesting topic that I brought up awhile back. I think and hope we are all trying to avoid getting into legal situations at all costs; but there are undoubtedly times that people have gotten caught in a situation that they have to back pedal out of rapidly. I am sure it has happened thousands, if not tens of thousands of times or more all around the world. I have had at least 3-4 situations over messenger on Facebook where I have spoken to someone, talked about what I am looking for, gave them a proposal and then asked if they had cedulla, and then discovered that this person is not someone I should be talking to. Although my intent is never to engage in a meeting, the statement you made is what I want to know about. Where is the line drawn in the concrete legally as far as US gov is concerned? If you so much as bring the subject up and try to negotiate an arrangement, have you gone too far? What is the legal boundary? Even if you back pedal rapidly when you discover the bad news, is there reason for major concern? I can think of a handful of circumstances where this has happened and it makes a guys stomach drop and blood pressure go through the roof. And since we live in a digital world now, you have to assume that someone is always watching. Especially on FB. Although I do not understand what this guys intent was or if he had knowledge of what he was doing, this guy you are talking about appears to have fully engaged all the way to the bedroom and went full dive into the swimming pool regardless if he knew it or not. Possibly multiple times. But my summary question is; if you stick your foot in the water, can you get it bit off? The law is the law. I would argue that no one is innocent in this world by accident or on purpose in every aspect of their life. We all do our best, and like you said; stay on the legal side, but I would say a lot of people here have slipped and had to back pedal before. I would find it hard to believe that no one has had this happen.

[QUOTE=Bonhead;2563128]Colombian and US authorities do not tolerate engaging in commercial sexual activities with those under the age of 18 regardless of what local Colombian law allows.

Some of you here undoubtedly came across this d-bag over the years. He was always trying to promote parties, live large off of others even though he lived with his mom.

[URL]https://instagram.com/victormedayork?[/URL]

Last week Victor Galarza accepted a plea agreement to plead guilty to several crimes related to sex with minors and production of child pornography. He has been locked up in MDC Brooklyn (Federal prison) since being arrested in October 2019 upon returning to the JFK where HSI agents confiscated his phone and found voluminous details of his criminal activities with minors. His guilty plea means he will face a minimum of 15 years in prison up to 30 years when he is sentenced next month. His plea agreement will likely land him on the lower end of the sentencing guidelines.

Always stay on the right side of the law gents. When in doubt, be smart and move to a situation where there is absolutely zero doubt or room for error.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2563349]The what's app # should be carried over though; I also ask for the email address if I really want to see the girl again.[/QUOTE]Maybe my post wasn't clear, a lot of the girls in El Centro are so poor they don't even have phones, and if they do, they have burner phones versus smart phones. Hence these girls are not going to have Interent service, Whatsapp, or E-mail. I do wish every girl I meet in El Centro that I want to see again had what you mentioned, but am lucky most of the time if they even have a phone. I'm not saying all the girls don't have smart phones there, lots of them do, yet there are lots as well with no phones or just burner phones.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2563346]I don't agree. I went to the centro today at around 3 pm and it was bustling as usual. The asking price is around 30000 pesos and the room 12000.

There are also a lot of girls in the bars but they are are just here to drink not to have sex (what's the point?[/QUOTE]JohhnyO said he was there mid-day. If that meant around noon or 1 PM, it will be sparce with a lot more girls out at the time you were there.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2563360]This is an interesting topic that I brought up awhile back. I think and hope we are all trying to avoid getting into legal situations at all costs; but there are undoubtedly times that people have gotten caught in a situation that they have to back pedal out of rapidly. I am sure it has happened thousands, if not tens of thousands of times or more all around the world. I have had at least 3-4 situations over messenger on Facebook where I have spoken to someone, talked about what I am looking for, gave them a proposal and then asked if they had cedulla, and then discovered that this person is not someone I should be talking to. Although my intent is never to engage in a meeting, the statement you made is what I want to know about. Where is the line drawn in the concrete legally as far as US gov is concerned? If you so much as bring the subject up and try to negotiate an arrangement, have you gone too far? What is the legal boundary? Even if you back pedal rapidly when you discover the bad news, is there reason for major concern? I can think of a handful of circumstances where this has happened and it makes a guys stomach drop and blood pressure go through the roof. And since we live in a digital world now, you have to assume that someone is always watching. Especially on FB. Although I do not understand what this guys intent was or if he had knowledge of what he was doing, this guy you are talking about appears to have fully engaged all the way to the bedroom and went full dive into the swimming pool regardless if he knew it or not. Possibly multiple times. But my summary question is; if you stick your foot in the water, can you get it bit off? The law is the law. I would argue that no one is innocent in this world by accident or on purpose in every aspect of their life. We all do our best, and like you said; stay on the legal side, but I would say a lot of people here have slipped and had to back pedal before. I would find it hard to believe that no one has had this happen.[/QUOTE]There is a different kind of electronic or "paper" trail left beind from a Gringo who is being conned by a too young chica with fake ID and a Gringo who is seeking. The key is from the moment you become aware that the person with whom you are communicating might be misrepresenting themselves, that you cut off all contact, and you send a copy of the message to your lawyer explaining why, and you will 99.99999% of the time never hear another word about it. I agree with zero tolerance, but most of Gringos who get busted for this are repeat, obvious, flagrant offenders and not one-off guys. I would also be concerned about the potential for blackmail from a chica, family, and gang from trapping a guy into receiving nude fotos across international lines, but again, what you do AFTER you find out the truth, is the key. Guys with "short eyes" really do have a psychiatric problem, considering the virtually unlimited supply of hot young legal chicas 18 and over in Medellin. There is no reason to swim in such dangerous waters.

[QUOTE=BigFree;2562743]Heya,

First time poster, but a subscriber.

Can someone give me a leg up and off one or two girls (link to their profiles) and I'll take it from there as far as trying to mine their friends lists and their friends friends list and so on.
[/QUOTE]Follow this link.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2563156]Read the reports that are linked in this thread.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2016-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2563143]From what I learned over the years it's an overgrowth of bacteria in her pussy. It can be caused by multiple partners who may be unclean or overuse of antibiotics. The worse the case the worse the odor. I can't remember the last time I has a chick with that odor in Colombia, in Brazil or even in Peru for that matter. It's been years since I was in Costa Rica but I did run into that bone killing stench more than once in Costa Rica. I think it is connected to a yeast infection and guys can get it too. Maybe our health professional members can tell us more.[/QUOTE]I've experienced that mainly in Asia. Costa Rica was maybe 10%. Never in Colombia or Germany.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2563265]Thanks for the info guys. So 300-400 k can be expected. Is Tinder popular in Colombia? It was a gold mine in Southeast and Africa, hope it works in South America too.

It's a possibility, but usually I have the opposite problem LOL Yeah, I know that it depends and it have risks, but after all I'm doing this in the last 3 years in 5-6 different countries and I got some experience. And honestly after trying toda la noche, since then this short time visits for me are not so much fun, to be honest. Again, it depends. Sometimes I prefer ST, some times LT. But these big cities are full with hot an horny semi pro's that are bored to death of their usual ordinary life. And when they say "fuck it" and decide to have some fun, then it becomes really interesting.[/QUOTE]I've used tinder in Cartagena, it works, but they tend to charge more than the ones working the streets. I paid 600 k for overnight (overpaid, but whatever).

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2563393]I've used tinder in cartagena, it works, but they tend to charge more than the ones working the streets. I paid 600 k for overnight (overpaid, but whatever).[/QUOTE]At least you have a good attitude about it, "(overpaid, but whatever)".

Nothing wrong with destroying the market for everyone else, and yes that includes you too next time.

Hey there's a place called Cocal look it up I'm sure you'll love it, oh wait I'm guessing you're one of those "mongers" that destroyed it and now.

You want to find a new place to shit all over, so you can then come on ISG and add injury to injury and write about it here.

Muchas gracias from us all.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2563346]I don't agree. I went to the centro today at around 3 pm and it was bustling as usual. The asking price is around 30000 pesos and the room 12000.

There are also a lot of girls in the bars but they are are just here to drink not to have sex (what's the point?[/QUOTE]What don't you agree with, the fact that I went there around midday and it was empty, but you went at 3, so obviously there will be a difference which is the whole point of the post to give BM's an idea of what's going on at certain times which I certainly find useful myself.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2563360] I am sure it has happened thousands, if not tens of thousands of times or more all around the world. I would find it hard to believe that no one has had this happen.[/QUOTE]I am going to beat this dead horse until it rises again. If you are from America you know that the law says 18 year old. So no, it does not happen to many a thousand of people. If she looks to young, then she is, otherwise she would prove that she isn't, even then it would be best to leave her alone, why risk it? The same frame of thought that you have that makes you believe that this -happened thousands, if not tens of thousands of times. Makes me believe that anyone that this has happened to, place themselves into a position to be caught and held accountable. If you cannot tell the age of a woman who is too young, here's a clue, she is too young. Stop making excuses for why certain individuals have an obsession with young girls. If you play with fire you ultimately will get burned. Stick to the girls who you know are older than 18 and you will never have the problem that you think tens of thousands of mongers are having. If the variable is removed then there is no way for the event to ever occur. Only seek out women who are 18 or older, do you and others who care to chime in get it? The girl must be 18 or older, if you have any second guesses about her age, she is too young. End of story, Pollo Negro is out!

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2563346]There are also a lot of girls in the bars but they are are just here to drink not to have sex (what's the point?[/QUOTE]Point is that some locals just like to come drink and dance with chicks.

[URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/detectan-animal-silvestre-en-pleno-centro-de-medellin-HM15081732[/URL]

Previously reported here that a crowd formed in Plaza Botero interested is some type of wildlife hiding in bushes. This was probably the rascal drawing the attention.

Nice to know that Medellin has humane means of dealing with this type of thing.

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I've sent a few messages but nothing.

Am I skipping a step?

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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2563401]At least you have a good attitude about it, "(overpaid, but whatever)".

Nothing wrong with destroying the market for everyone else, and yes that includes you too next time.

Hey there's a place called Cocal look it up I'm sure you'll love it, oh wait I'm guessing you're one of those "mongers" that destroyed it and now.

You want to find a new place to shit all over, so you can then come on ISG and add injury to injury and write about it here.

Muchas gracias from us all.[/QUOTE]Rich dudes don't care about others.

Looks like some nice streetwalkers in El Raudal.

[URL]https://youtu.be/3-ceEPyaLbA[/URL]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2563533]Looks like some nice streetwalkers in El Raudal.

[URL]https://youtu.be/3-ceEPyaLbA[/URL][/QUOTE]Wow. Unfortunately I am in Cartagena manana.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2563409]What don't you agree with, the fact that I went there around midday and it was empty, but you went at 3, so obviously there will be a difference which is the whole point of the post to give BM's an idea of what's going on at certain times which I certainly find useful myself.[/QUOTE]Today Friday there are even more girls in the streets especially around the churches.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2563548]Wow. Unfortunately I am in Cartagena manana.[/QUOTE]Not a bad move because there are protests scheduled for today in Medellin. Not sure about tomorrow. But I wouldn't want to be downtown during the protests. Cartagena is more chilled out right now.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2563549]Today Friday there are even more girls in the streets especially around the churches.[/QUOTE]Are you sure they are all girls 😉.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2563401]At least you have a good attitude about it, "(overpaid, but whatever)".

Nothing wrong with destroying the market for everyone else, and yes that includes you too next time.

Hey there's a place called Cocal look it up I'm sure you'll love it, oh wait I'm guessing you're one of those "mongers" that destroyed it and now.

You want to find a new place to shit all over, so you can then come on ISG and add injury to injury and write about it here.

Muchas gracias from us all.[/QUOTE]Don't sweat it. You and I don't play in the same sandbox.

Be careful out there folks [URL]https://www.facebook.com/DesordenPublicoMedellin/videos/183968166950047[/URL].

[QUOTE=TroyBoy;2563495][URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/detectan-animal-silvestre-en-pleno-centro-de-medellin-HM15081732[/URL]

Previously reported here that a crowd formed in Plaza Botero interested is some type of wildlife hiding in bushes. This was probably the rascal drawing the attention.

Nice to know that Medellin has humane means of dealing with this type of thing.[/QUOTE]Just sayin', don't go petting foxes of the four-legged kind you might see in El Centro. That fox might be there because it ain't right in the head, as in rabies.

No one mongerer or group of mongerers can destroy or even significantly effect what others pay for for play, in the Colombian market. Those are the grousings of guys who feel a since of desperation, clinging to the best part of a sad life filled with failed attempts, where their standard excuse is to blame others for everything. The economy, Covid, exchange rates, etc. Are in control of the market. For a guy to put his own insecurities and shortcomings in life as a reason to dump on other guys about what the pay is sad and pathetic, and doesn't show even a basic understanding of what sets price in a market like ours. If spending more during a one-on-one encounter with a prepago would drive out the trolls like that, then I would do it just to clear the air and rid the playing field of these miscreants. Unfortunately, it's not that easy, as they would have you believe. As always, consider the source.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2563583]Don't sweat it. You and I don't play in the same sandbox.[/QUOTE]We all play in the same sandbox, so you think because you overpaid, she's worth more? Really.

Putas are all 1 ecosystem, kinda like polluting the air or an ocean.

I have a nice 2 bedroom condo, I think its worth 1,000,000 usd, but for you only 10,000,000 usd, then you get to tell everyone how much you paid.

Because "you got it like that"? Come on bro Ill even throw in ten 100,000 usd putas with it.

A fool and his loot will soon part!!

You can buy my condo or just flush it down the toilet overpaying 3rd world putas.

If you buy my condo at least you can sell it down the line.

But "whatever".

Mongers like you are like termites or cancer that need to stay home and keep destroying the market where you're at.

Oh wait I'm sure you already did.

And you priced yourself out of it, that's why you fly to 3rd world puta hubs.

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[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2563606]No one mongerer or group of mongerers can destroy or even significantly effect what others pay for for play, in the Colombian market. Those are the grousings of guys who feel a since of desperation, clinging to the best part of a sad life filled with failed attempts, where their standard excuse is to blame others for everything. The economy, Covid, exchange rates, etc. Are in control of the market. For a guy to put his own insecurities and shortcomings in life as a reason to dump on other guys about what the pay is sad and pathetic, and doesn't show even a basic understanding of what sets price in a market like ours. If spending more during a one-on-one encounter with a prepago would drive out the trolls like that, then I would do it just to clear the air and rid the playing field of these miscreants. Unfortunately, it's not that easy, as they would have you believe. As always, consider the source.[/QUOTE]So true. These same economic geniuses are spouting same crap in other markets. No effects on the market.

Billionaire Hunt brothers tried to control the silver market back in the 80's. That was when a Billion was a real Billion! All they did was lose their kid's inheritance and filed bankruptcy. These little monger's pesos won't affect the market at all.

Okay, I thought I'd give a report of some of my recent activity and noob mistakes. SA has still been good to me, but sometimes the relationships take a little longer to develop. I think it's worth it, because I love the sex more when we have a connection. Sometimes you want it quick though.

I was wandering around Parque Lleras and saw a few cute girls there. I set my eyes on one, but the Club Gusto guys kept hounding me, so I decided to give it a try. The cover was free. I met a really attractive Venezuela girl inside. She had very large tits and ass with a tiny waist. I generally hate fake boobs, but I wanted her anyway. She told me 350 k. Ugh, so much! I told her I only had 200 k. She didn't accept, and I walked away. As the night went on though, I decided I just wanted to fuck her and didn't care about the money, so I went back and offered 300 k. She refused still. So I paid the 350 k. Honestly the sex was pretty mediocre. I would have said she was a 9 when she had her clothes on, but I think she was only a 6 or 7 naked. The best part was her hip to waist ratio though. I could almost reach around her entire waist with two hands, which seemed unreal considering the size of her ass, which was natural. I had a nice time, but I wouldn't repeat. Later I felt dumb for spending 350 k. Someone commented about alpha girls and beta mongers. I think this was me. Haha. She treated me like I was a little virgin boy, and I felt like I sort of fell into the role.

The next day I went to El Centro. I really like being there. I met a really cute and thin Venezuelan girl in the plaza. She said 70 k, which seemed like a bargain to me, because I'm used to the 200 k girls in El Poblado, and I paid 350 k the night before. It actually still seems like a good deal to me. I'm shocked some of you get 30 k. The sex with her was really good. She really enjoyed it, which made me enjoy it even more. This taught me that a higher price doesn't get you better sex. It's more about finding the right girl. I came back the next day and found her again. The second day, the sex was even better, and we fucked for like three hours for the same price. She was really high on weed and said she loved fucking when she was high. The hotel didn't have AC, so we were both drenched in each other's sweat. It was so hot though. Later that night, she messaged me on Whatsapp and wanted to hang out.

The next night I invited one my regular girls over to my hotel. Honestly, the sex with her gets better every time. I will keep her around, but I also like variety. She spends the night for free, and we usually have 2 or 3 good sessions. I love finding the super sexual girls. I think she wants me to be her novio, but she knows I'm sleeping with other girls, so that's good.

Anyway, I am still loving Medellin. Does anyone have any insights on longer-term rentals here? I've just been in hotels and Airbnbs, but I think you can get a nicer place of your own for a lot cheaper if you want to stay for a month or two. Is that right? Can anyone point me in the right direction? That reminds me, I need to send some bitcoin to get a paid membership. This might be a good private message type thing.

Okay, I thought I'd give a report of some of my recent activity and noob mistakes. SA has still been good to me, but sometimes the relationships take a little longer to develop. I think it's worth it, because I love the sex more when we have a connection. Sometimes you want it quick though.

I was wandering around Parque Lleras and saw a few cute girls there. I set my eyes on one, but the Club Gusto guys kept hounding me, so I decided to give it a try. The cover was free. I met a really attractive Venezuela girl inside. She had very large tits and ass with a tiny waist. I generally hate fake boobs, but I wanted her anyway. She told me 350 k. Ugh, so much! I told her I only had 200 k. She didn't accept, and I walked away. As the night went on though, I decided I just wanted to fuck her and didn't care about the money, so I went back and offered 300 k. She refused still. So I paid the 350 k. Honestly the sex was pretty mediocre. I would have said she was a 9 when she had her clothes on, but I think she was only a 6 or 7 naked. The best part was her hip to waist ratio though. I could almost reach around her entire waist with two hands, which seemed unreal considering the size of her ass, which was natural. I had a nice time, but I wouldn't repeat. Later I felt dumb for spending 350 k. Someone commented about alpha girls and beta mongerers. I think this was me. Haha. She treated me like I was a little virgin boy, and I felt like I sort of fell into the role.

The next day I went to El Centro. I really like being there. I met a really cute and thin Venezuelan girl in the plaza. She said 70 k, which seemed like a bargain to me, because I'm used to the 200 k girls in El Poblado, and I paid 350 k the night before. It actually still seems like a good deal to me. I'm shocked some of you get 30 k. The sex with her was really good. She really enjoyed it, which made me enjoy it even more. This taught me that a higher price doesn't get you better sex. It's more about finding the right girl. I came back the next day and found her again. The second day, the sex was even better, and we fucked for like three hours for the same price. She was really high on weed and said she loved fucking when she was high. The hotel didn't have AC, so we were both drenched in each other's sweat. It was so hot though. Later that night, she messaged me on Whatsapp and wanted to hang out.

The next night I invited one my regular girls over to my hotel. Honestly, the sex with her gets better every time. I will keep her around, but I also like variety. She spends the night for free, and we usually have 2 or 3 good sessions. I love finding the super sexual girls. I think she wants me to be her novio, but she knows I'm sleeping with other girls, so that's good.

Anyway, I am still loving Medellin. Does anyone have any insights on longer-term rentals here? I've just been in hotels and Airbnbs, but I think you can get a nicer place of your own for a lot cheaper if you want to stay for a month or two. Is that right? Can anyone point me in the right direction? That reminds me, I need to send some bitcoin to get a paid membership. This might be a good private message type thing.

Right now on a walk through Sur Americana Laureles I stumbled into a full scale riot. Lots of roads blocked, Estadio closed, fires everywhere and police are firing back with tear gas, other weapons and possibly stun grenades, its really kicking off right now as well as a shooting incident outside my apartment this morning. More details to follow.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2563526]Rich dudes don't care about others.[/QUOTE]Rich people are smart with money they don't flush it down the toilet on 3rd world putas, if they were that dumb they wouldn't be rich.

Most "mongers" that overpay, do so out of pathetic desperation.

Show me someone that overpays 3rd world putas and I will show you someone with very low self-worth / self-esteem.

A fool and his loot soon part.

Most "rich" people are very frugal, that's how they got rich and that's how they stay that way.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2563635]Right now on a walk through Sur Americana Laureles I stumbled into a full scale riot. Lots of roads blocked, Estadio closed, fires everywhere and police are firing back with tear gas, other weapons and possibly stun grenades, its really kicking off right now as well as a shooting incident outside my apartment this morning. More details to follow.[/QUOTE]That area of Medellin was sort of considered "above the fray" for awhile but I guess no place is safe anymore. Be careful.

Yup, I was walking down to la 70 from la 80 and saw stores closing up shop. I was like what's going since it was early Friday afternoon, then when I got to la 70, I smelled the tear gas and yup, riot police taking charge. I left my ass right away, been there, done that haha.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2563635]Right now on a walk through Sur Americana Laureles I stumbled into a full scale riot. Lots of roads blocked, Estadio closed, fires everywhere and police are firing back with tear gas, other weapons and possibly stun grenades, its really kicking off right now as well as a shooting incident outside my apartment this morning. More details to follow.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2563640]Yup, I was walking down to la 70 from la 80 and saw stores closing up shop. I was like what's going since it was early Friday afternoon, then when I got to la 70, I smelled the tear gas and yup, riot police taking charge. I left my ass right away, been there, done that haha.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2563635]Right now on a walk through Sur Americana Laureles I stumbled into a full scale riot. Lots of roads blocked, Estadio closed, fires everywhere and police are firing back with tear gas, other weapons and possibly stun grenades, its really kicking off right now as well as a shooting incident outside my apartment this morning. More details to follow.[/QUOTE]This is from a Facebook post in Medellin FB group:

"Guys, avoid the area of La 70/ area of Estadio / Laureles. Total chaos. People are ripping things out in the street, and using them as barricades. Police continue to sweep the area with tear gas. Steer clear, and stay in your house or shelter if you're in the area. ".

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[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2563606]No one mongerer or group of mongerers can destroy or even significantly effect what others pay for for play, in the Colombian market. Those are the grousings of guys who feel a since of desperation, clinging to the best part of a sad life filled with failed attempts, where their standard excuse is to blame others for everything. The economy, Covid, exchange rates, etc. Are in control of the market. For a guy to put his own insecurities and shortcomings in life as a reason to dump on other guys about what the pay is sad and pathetic, and doesn't show even a basic understanding of what sets price in a market like ours. If spending more during a one-on-one encounter with a prepago would drive out the trolls like that, then I would do it just to clear the air and rid the playing field of these miscreants. Unfortunately, it's not that easy, as they would have you believe. As always, consider the source.[/QUOTE]Spot on! Pretty sad what I paid triggered his insecurities to that extent. Based on his post history, he seems like an angry lonely man.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2563533]Looks like some nice streetwalkers in El Raudal.
[URL]https://youtu.be/3-ceEPyaLbA[/URL][/QUOTE]Just an observation. It appears most of the working girls are the ones not wearing a mask.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2563665]Spot on! Pretty sad what I paid triggered his insecurities to that extent. Based on his post history, he seems like an angry lonely man.[/QUOTE]Anyone that agrees with 1 word that fool types is an even bigger fool.

I really need to stop being so charitable, when I say chumps like you "overpay" you know, I know as does everyone else.

You don't overpay, you get overcharged, you are so reprehensible to (even 3rd world putas) they really don't even want to touch you.

So you agree to a kings ransom, and Voila, you get some lame fully covered bullshit service.

I'm also guessing you have some cognitive issues, did you know the Philippines is a 3rd world country? Guess what so is Colombia, you bottom feeder LOL.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2563606]No one mongerer or group of mongerers can destroy or even significantly effect what others pay for for play, in the Colombian market.[/QUOTE]Maybe what you are not realizing is that there is a Colombian Market and there is a Gringo Market in Colombia. Whether you want to believe it or not, we have seen what he is saying play out in the gringo markets of Costa Rica, Panama, Rio, and Sosua at least. Anyone that has frequented these places and has seen what has happened over time can attest to this.

It won't affect Surfer, Rice Rocket, TM; you know, the guys that play in the Colombian Market. But it will certainly affect guys that go stay in Poblado and get chicks from Gustos, Tinder, and Facebook; the Gringo Market in Colombia (as it has historically done in other monger locations).

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2563654]This is from a Facebook post in Medellin FB group:

"Guys, avoid the area of La 70/ area of Estadio / Laureles. Total chaos. People are ripping things out in the street, and using them as barricades. Police continue to sweep the area with tear gas. Steer clear, and stay in your house or shelter if you're in the area. ".[/QUOTE]Not surprised. That's where the students live. In centro, no pedo.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2563401]At least you have a good attitude about it, "(overpaid, but whatever)".

Nothing wrong with destroying the market for everyone else, and yes that includes you too next time.

Hey there's a place called Cocal look it up I'm sure you'll love it, oh wait I'm guessing you're one of those "mongers" that destroyed it and now.

You want to find a new place to shit all over, so you can then come on ISG and add injury to injury and write about it here.

Muchas gracias from us all.[/QUOTE]Really? You think 1 guy overpays and it completely destroys the market for everyone? Do you really believe that? I have seen similar things said before and it always astounds me.

First of all there are sub-markets.

There are instagram models or other high end actresses etc that have a very high ask.

There are FaceBook girls that have a range. Ususally 150-250 + taxi or taxis.

There are other sources like PhotoPrepagos or Mileroticos and most of those rates are about 1/2 the FB girl rate.

There are high end strip clubs like La Isla or Fase Dos or Luna Lunera.

There are high end casas like Tantra or Energy.

There are medium end casas like New Life.

There are low end casas and thousands of them.

Then there are streetwalkers.

I didn't even assign a category to Gustos because it is kind of a one off.

Then there are regular girls who aren't prepagos but if they meet you and there's some money there. Well it negotiable.

So you think some guy pays too much for a girl from one of those categories and it ripples all across Medellin and when you go tomorrow to see your girl.

The word is out. One gringo paid too much so we all should get that amount.

Medellin is a city of 4 million (metropolitan area). What one gringo pays or 100 gringos pay or 1000 gringos pay has no effect on the market place.

Your girl hears her friend got 300 mil for an hour. She tells you she is worth that too. You tell her, sorry, I've got my number 2 girl for 200. Your number.

1 girl isn't going to go starving to get that elusive 300 mil pay day for long. She'll realize one guy paid too much, her clients aren't paying that much and.

Back she is at 200.

I don't think you should focus on what other guys are paying. People here talk enough about it. You know what the market prices should be. Stick with that.

If a girl wants more than you want to pay, "next".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2563674]Maybe what you are not realizing is that there is a Colombian Market and there is a Gringo Market in Colombia. Whether you want to believe it or not, we have seen what he is saying play out in the gringo markets of Costa Rica, Panama, Rio, and Sosua at least. It won't affect Surfer, Rice Rocket, TM; you know, the guys that play in the Colombian Market. But it will affect guys that go stay in Poblado and get chicks from Gustos, Tinder, and Facebook; the Gringo Market in Colombia.[/QUOTE]You may have a point with those micro market examples and places I don't frequent and did not consider. But comparing Colombia to Panama or Costa Rica, is like apples and oranges, they are both small round fruits, jajaja. In fact, Colombia has ten times the population of those two examples which makes all the difference. In Colombia, if you have unlimited supply of putas, as I would argue, and no barriers to entry by either the suppliers or the buyers, then the only thing that sets price is the equilibrium point between supply and demand. Forget about the politics or the economics of the Colombian government, the puta market in Colombia is free enterprise and capitalistic.

I have been on small South Pacific Islands where the arrival of a cruise ship has an immediate and upward effect on prices. So I am not saying it doesn't happen, but Colombia is too big for that effect to occur on a macro scale. In Colombia at this moment, there are barriers to entry of buyers now because of Covid and political unrest, and the expected result from decreased demand would be downward pressure on prices, which I think I have seen in recent posts. Worrying about what one guy pays, and especially calling him out for it, is misguided at best. I care more about what the guy who pays what he wants has to say, than a guy who acts clearly in desperate self-interest. Who is bringing a history of success versus failure to the table? You can have the last word if you wish, I am done with this topic, for now.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2563606]No one mongerer or group of mongerers can destroy or even significantly effect what others pay for for play, in the Colombian market.[/QUOTE]This is an old debate going back at least the 18 years I've been around forums such as this. Other mongers can affect particular markets. For example if there are a lot guys in town at a particular time overpaying the hotter Facebook girls, then this can make it hard to get appointments with the same girls unless one is willing to overpay as well. Consumer behavior does effect pricing. That said, such over paying with FB isn't going to have any effect on the Centro scene. The pricing in the strip clubs there will remain the same. Though there has been a growing tendency to try foreigners, like to hit them with a 50% price increase to see if they bite. Obviously that has worked before and word got around.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2563635]Right now on a walk through Sur Americana Laureles I stumbled into a full scale riot. Lots of roads blocked, Estadio closed, fires everywhere and police are firing back with tear gas, other weapons and possibly stun grenades, its really kicking off right now as well as a shooting incident outside my apartment this morning. More details to follow.[/QUOTE]Friday at 12;30 PM I climbed in a taxi at the Exito in Poblado and told the driver I was going to the North Bus Station and he said it would take hours to get there because of the marches / protests and told me to take the Metro. And I did, and there were protestors walking down Avendia Las Vegas in Poblado, but it was odd in that the police were marching with them, and noting violent like you desribed. And the Autopista was a mess with bumper to bumper traffic in the northbound direction not moving, in essence a parking lot, and at the Caribe Metro station on the North side of town, the Autopista was a parking lot going south with the northbound lanes wide open. These ongoing protests have been compounding the Covid contagion count which is more than ever and a fourth surge is predicted and appears to already be happening. Next weekend is what's called a puente, meaning a long weekend, not a bridge due the National Holiday on the 7th. I hope they are not contemplating more weekend lockdowns as all the numbers and percentages of the ICU's aren't doing well.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2563678]Really? You think 1 guy overpays and it completely destroys the market for everyone? Do you really believe that? I have seen similar things said before and it always astounds me.

First of all there are sub-markets.[/QUOTE]Agree with what you posted. See my previous post.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2563672]Anyone that agrees with 1 word that fool types is an even bigger fool.

I really need to stop being so charitable, when I say chumps like you "overpay" you know, I know as does everyone else.

You don't overpay, you get overcharged, you are so reprehensible to (even 3rd world putas) they really don't even want to touch you.

So you agree to a kings ransom, and Voila, you get some lame fully covered bullshit service.

I'm also guessing you have some cognitive issues, did you know the Philippines is a 3rd world country? Guess what so is Colombia, you bottom feeder LOL.[/QUOTE]Yup, I overpaid and I'll price you out of the market LOL. You mad? Keep your insecurities in check

U act like I stole your lunch money, getting flashbacks of grade school? Can’t get laid thru other means?

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2563721]Yup, I overpaid and I'll price you out of the market LOL. You mad? Keep your insecurities in check[/QUOTE]Not a chance honey, I do very well with putas jajajajaaaaaaa.

Where ever I go if I hear how mongers like you are being sodomized.

Do you think I want some of that overcharging, hell no.

I double down and offer way way less than everyone else, and demand even more (Thailand Mexico Philippines Colombia USA strip clubs et al).

Guess what I'll be fucking the puta in the ass bb (literally), I won't be taking it.

The more a puta likes you the less she will charge you.

The closer to free, the better.

There isn't any glam in being overcharged by 3rd world putas (or any puta).

When I was in Asia, just walking down the street very hot 18 yo putas (BTW I'm in my 50's).

Would fuck me for free, without me asking for it for free, I never even bought them a drink.

Why? "because I ain't no chump".

[QUOTE=Villainy;2563678]Really? You think 1 guy overpays and it completely destroys the market for everyone? Do you really believe that? I have seen similar things said before and it always astounds me.

First of all there are sub-markets.

There are instagram models or other high end actresses etc that have a very high ask.

There are FaceBook girls that have a range. Ususally 150-250 + taxi or taxis.

There are other sources like PhotoPrepagos or Mileroticos and most of those rates are about 1/2 the FB girl rate.

There are high end strip clubs like La Isla or Fase Dos or Luna Lunera.

There are high end casas like Tantra or Energy.

There are medium end casas like New Life..[/QUOTE]And here's my example from 2 years ago:

A guy I know saw I was in Medellin and sent me a contact. He told me I must try her. I sent her a message and after some brief introductions asked her price. Her response was 300 k. I replied with "siempre pago 200 mil" and got an immediate okay from her.

If you're working in a small, closed system, prices will be driven up with demand. Sosúa is a good example. Without the gringos it's a sleepy little beach town. With a population of 50,000 it doesn't take too many tourists to cause a spike in the economy.

But prostitution is only a tiny part of the Medellin economy, and gringos are only a tiny part of the customer base.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2563681]You may have a point with those micro market examples and places I don't frequent and did not consider. But comparing Colombia to Panama or Costa Rica, is like apples and oranges, they are both small round fruits, jajaja. In fact, Colombia has ten times the population of those two examples which makes all the difference.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately what we are talking about pertains to only hookers and foreign mongers, not the population at large. So it is in fact a micro market. Rio has 12 million people, but check the prices on the gringo market right before Help closed and right now at Mabs and Doce Vida. Chicks are asking up to 10 times what they were just over 10 years ago.

It will not affect me because I am in the trenches, speak the language, and am a hard bargainer. (Just today my nephew was buying a motorcycle and the guy wanted $2500. I told him to offer him $2000 and the guy accepted. That is the same way I do those chicks.) But the new guy that comes along is the one that is going to be in for it. But if you say fuck him, then fuck him I guess it will be.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2563533]Looks like some nice streetwalkers in El Raudal.

[URL]https://youtu.be/3-ceEPyaLbA[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for posting this. What do people think of the person at 4:00 - old enough? Definitely female?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2563636]Rich people are smart with money they don't flush it down the toilet on 3rd world putas, if they were that dumb they wouldn't be rich.

Most "mongers" that overpay, do so out of pathetic desperation.

Show me someone that overpays 3rd world putas and I will show you someone with very low self-worth / self-esteem.

A fool and his loot soon part.

Most "rich" people are very frugal, that's how they got rich and that's how they stay that way.[/QUOTE]The good folks at Lamborghini, Bugatti, McLaren, etc disagree. In just about every area I can think of, including hookers there are rich people spending extravagant sums. In some instances it might be considered an investment, but usually it's simple vanity. For example, there is a market for gold plated toilets. Pretty sure your local burger flippers aren't buying them.

There are guys spending thousands every month on third world putas. I know of 1 guy who has spent well over $100 k US on a webcam model, who he's never met, over the last 3 years.

I can almost guarantee, the guys renting $1200 per night penthouses in Medellin aren't paying their hookers 30 k.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2563697]Friday at 12;30 PM I climbed in a taxi at the Exito in Poblado and told the driver I was going to the North Bus Station and he said it would take hours to get there because of the marches / protests and told me to take the Metro. And I did, and there were protestors walking down Avendia Las Vegas in Poblado, but it was odd in that the police were marching with them, and noting violent like you desribed. And the Autopista was a mess with bumper to bumper traffic in the northbound direction not moving, in essence a parking lot, and at the Caribe Metro station on the North side of town, the Autopista was a parking lot going south with the northbound lanes wide open. These ongoing protests have been compounding the Covid contagion count which is more than ever and a fourth surge is predicted and appears to already be happening. Next weekend is what's called a puente, meaning a long weekend, not a bridge due the National Holiday on the 7th. I hope they are not contemplating more weekend lockdowns as all the numbers and percentages of the ICU's aren't doing well.[/QUOTE]No mas lockdowns!

[URL]http://thecitypaperbogota.com/news/pandemic-pushes-3-6-million-colombians-into-poverty/27316?fbclid=IwAR0Ob_EqkssJxCuSS6fKW79cN0vH5FCu0AlujeJ851wM6nSwnMFgjaxkXuI[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2563760]Unfortunately what we are talking about pertains to only hookers and foreign mongers, not the population at large. So it is in fact a micro market. Rio has 12 million people, but check the prices on the gringo market right before Help closed and right now at Mabs and Doce Vida. Chicks are asking up to 10 times what they were just over 10 years ago.

It will not affect me because I am in the trenches, speak the language, and am a hard bargainer. (Just today my nephew was buying a motorcycle and the guy wanted $2500. I told him to offer him $2000 and the guy accepted. That is the same way I do those chicks.) But the new guy that comes along is the one that is going to be in for it. But if you say fuck him, then fuck him I guess it will be.[/QUOTE]10 yrs is not a long time, can you imagine multiplying all puta prices in Colombia by 10, wowwwwww.

May as well just hit Los Angeles strip clubs.

Puta price inflation is a deadly cancer to this hobby.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2563636]Rich people are smart with money they don't flush it down the toilet on 3rd world putas, if they were that dumb they wouldn't be rich.

Most "mongers" that overpay, do so out of pathetic desperation.

Show me someone that overpays 3rd world putas and I will show you someone with very low self-worth / self-esteem.

A fool and his loot soon part.

Most "rich" people are very frugal, that's how they got rich and that's how they stay that way.[/QUOTE]That's all well and good but you do know there are millionaires in the US paying $10,000 per hour for escorts of the same quality that we are paying $50 in Colombia.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2563635]Right now on a walk through Sur Americana Laureles I stumbled into a full scale riot. Lots of roads blocked, Estadio closed, fires everywhere and police are firing back with tear gas, other weapons and possibly stun grenades, its really kicking off right now as well as a shooting incident outside my apartment this morning. More details to follow.[/QUOTE]Scary. Is this a 'hang tight, this is an isolated incident' kind of thing or is this widespread and has a high chance of continuing / spreading to other areas. Is it safe if you just stay in the hotel?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2563774]The good folks at Lamborghini, Bugatti, McLaren, etc disagree. In just about every area I can think of, including hookers there are rich people spending extravagant sums. In some instances it might be considered an investment, but usually it's simple vanity. For example, there is a market for gold plated toilets. Pretty sure your local burger flippers aren't buying them.

There are guys spending thousands every month on third world putas. I know of 1 guy who has spent well over $100 k US on a webcam model, who he's never met, over the last 3 years.

I can almost guarantee, the guys renting $1200 per night penthouses in Medellin aren't paying their hookers 30 k.[/QUOTE]Some people think saving a few hundred dollars on prepagos is what's going to get them rich. Sounds more like a broke ass way of thinking. Penny pinch his way into riches LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2563825]That's all well and good but you do know there are millionaires in the US paying $10,000 per hour for escorts of the same quality that we are paying $50 in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Yup, many millionaires in Miami do just that.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2563725]Not a chance honey, I do very well with putas jajajajaaaaaaa.

Where ever I go if I hear how mongers like you are being sodomized.

Do you think I want some of that overcharging, hell no.

I double down and offer way way less than everyone else, and demand even more (Thailand Mexico Philippines Colombia USA strip clubs et al).

Guess what I'll be fucking the puta in the ass bb (literally), I won't be taking it.

The more a puta likes you the less she will charge you.

The closer to free, the better.

There isn't any glam in being overcharged by 3rd world putas (or any puta).

When I was in Asia, just walking down the street very hot 18 yo putas (BTW I'm in my 50's).

Would fuck me for free, without me asking for it for free, I never even bought them a drink.

Why? "because I ain't no chump".[/QUOTE]Cool story bro. 50 yo talking like he's still in high school LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2563774]The good folks at Lamborghini, Bugatti, McLaren, etc disagree. In just about every area I can think of, including hookers there are rich people spending extravagant sums. In some instances it might be considered an investment, but usually it's simple vanity. For example, there is a market for gold plated toilets. Pretty sure your local burger flippers aren't buying them.

There are guys spending thousands every month on third world putas. I know of 1 guy who has spent well over $100 k US on a webcam model, who he's never met, over the last 3 years.

I can almost guarantee, the guys renting $1200 per night penthouses in Medellin aren't paying their hookers 30 k.[/QUOTE]I think comparing 3rd world putas to high end sports cars is a horrible analogy, you can resell the car.

You can't resell the puta after you popped, I see it more akin to a bottle of wine $20 vs $20000.

[URL]https://freakonomics.com/2008/07/16/cheap-wine/[/URL]

Sometimes you get what you pay for IE, Mercedes vs Hyundai.

Sometimes you don't.

With putas it doesn't apply, are there tiny variations in quality sure.

Not much.

I always want to be the top never the bottom.

Always the hunter never the prey.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2563850]Scary. Is this a 'hang tight, this is an isolated incident' kind of thing or is this widespread and has a high chance of continuing / spreading to other areas. Is it safe if you just stay in the hotel?[/QUOTE]I am not on the ground but watching to see if Medellin gets as bad as Cali, People are saying it's not but that it's an isolated incident but that its that they're isolated to certain areas that you can stay away from. It's not like it's a war zone where you don't know where the artillery is going to land next. These people put these videos out today and they are on the ground in Medellin. The 1st one has some awesome footage of the protests and Laureles.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anZENaDgnNg[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKfISCHZ6aQ[/URL]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2563774]I can almost guarantee, the guys renting $1,200 per night penthouses in Medellin aren't paying their hookers 30 k.[/QUOTE]So do you think that guys who could easily afford renting $ 1200 a night penthouses in Medellin, which I don't think there are many of, would also not go with 30 K hookers.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2563920]I am not on the ground but watching to see if Medellin gets as bad as Cali.][/QUOTE]I've got boots on the ground and Medellin is heavenly as always.

People are more desperate for money, than in my prior years of visiting MDE.

An indigenous women was about to start crying while she was asking me for money as I passed by.

There is a place called "drive-in" Covid testing on the corner just south of San Fernando Casino in El Poblado.

I got an antigen test there for $150,000 pesos (overpriced, I know). However, my results were ready online in an hour. You can walk up, however, it's closed on Sundays.

Some puta asked for a tip after she provided terrible service. I declined her request. However, that leads me to believe tourists are giving out tips to putas who didn't put in the work for it.

I walked by a beggar, who walked right up to me and I brushed him off a bit arrogantly. And he said something like "se vaya a la playa, yo." Either that means he would kill me or hopefully he just said something bizarre about the beach LOL.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2563792]No mas lockdowns!

[URL]http://thecitypaperbogota.com/news/pandemic-pushes-3-6-million-colombians-into-poverty/27316?fbclid=IwAR0Ob_EqkssJxCuSS6fKW79cN0vH5FCu0AlujeJ851wM6nSwnMFgjaxkXuI[/URL][/QUOTE]Most definetely a boner killer. I will depart if they start up again. I can't be caged in anywhere. Some guys can deal with it, but I cannot, and I'm not one to try to skirt a lockdown requirement. Not at least in a foreign Country. I may have balls in some ways to do the things I do, but this, no I don't.

Anyone have feedback on the following places:

The Secret Sala.

Alejas.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2563760]Unfortunately what we are talking about pertains to only hookers and foreign mongers, not the population at large. So it is in fact a micro market. Rio has 12 million people, but check the prices on the gringo market right before Help closed and right now at Mabs and Doce Vida. Chicks are asking up to 10 times what they were just over 10 years ago.[/QUOTE]It maybe a bit disingenuous, to say chicks were asking 10 x more, without factoring in and taking into account inflation and the USD-BRL exchange rates. Today the worth USD is 3x to 4x more than Brazilian Real (BRL) was 10 years ago.

In 2011-April, 24 the rate was 1.56 [URL] https://www.xe.com/currencytables/?from=USD&date=2011-04-24#table-section [/URL].

Personally I think it's somewhat of a moot point, due to the fact, [B]chicks can ask for any damn amount[/B] they choose to pull out of their pretty little creative minds. Heck I've been quoted 20 x what I thought was a reasonable going price. Question is...[b]are YOU going to pay it?[/B].

BTW, when I've been quoted 5x, 10x or 20x more than whatever I thought was the going rate, perhaps meant, she was really saying, [I] "I'm really just not that into bumping-uglies with you"[/I]. However, if you are dumb enough to pay that ridiculous asking price, then let's have at it.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2563957]It maybe a bit disingenuous, to say chicks were asking 10 x more, without factoring in and taking into account inflation and the USD-BRL exchange rates. Today the worth USD is 3x to 4x more than Brazilian Real (BRL) was 10 years ago.

In 2011-April, 24 the rate was 1.56 [URL] https://www.xe.com/currencytables/?from=USD&date=2011-04-24#table-section [/URL].

Personally I think it's somewhat of a moot point, due to the fact, [B]chicks can ask for any damn amount[/B] they choose to pull out of their pretty little creative minds. Heck I've been quoted 20 x what I thought was a reasonable going price. Question is...[b]are YOU going to pay it?[/B].

BTW, when I've been quoted 5x, 10x or 20x more than whatever I thought was the going rate, perhaps meant, she was really saying, [I] "I'm really just not that into bumping-uglies with you"[/I]. However, if you are dumb enough to pay that ridiculous asking price, then let's have at it.[/QUOTE]The lower the price the more she wants your milk, the higher the price the less she even wants to touch you.

Good luck having a good session whilst she is laying there with her eyes closed, high prices reflect a gag factor surcharge LOL.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2563920]I am not on the ground but watching to see if Medellin gets as bad as Cali, People are saying it's not but that it's an isolated incident but that its that they're isolated to certain areas that you can stay away from. It's not like it's a war zone where you don't know where the artillery is going to land next. These people put these videos out today and they are on the ground in Medellin. The 1st one has some awesome footage of the protests and Laureles.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anZENaDgnNg[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKfISCHZ6aQ[/URL][/QUOTE]There is tons of footage of this in FB etc. I have heard that a couple of hours after protests it was business as usual on 70. Chairs out and music blaring from the bars etc.

A BM who is on ground is recommending taking this shit seriously and not to venture to Laureles. Conflicted as I have trip coming up next week.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2563957]It maybe a bit disingenuous, to say chicks were asking 10 x more, without factoring in and taking into account inflation and the USD-BRL exchange rates.[/QUOTE]Exchange rate has nothing to do with it. Chicks do not ask money based on an exchange rate, although some mongers may pay based on one. Mongers come from all over the world. No hooker is going to distinguish what the exchange rate is for a Canadian monger versus an Indian monger versus a Japanese monger.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2563957]Heck I've been quoted 20 x what I thought was a reasonable going price. Question is...[b]are YOU going to pay it?[/B].[/QUOTE]Not me. I have already stated that. But apparently somebody is or we would not be having this discussion.

LOL. A poster just wrote in the Rio thread: [QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2563948]Just messaged a few barravips girls that I liked to see what the rates are. All of them quoted 500 R / HR for incall, and 600-700 R + uber for outcall, like they are in a fucking union. And anywhere from 2000 R to 5000 R pernoite. I stood firm on my price (500 R pernoite, which I consider a great offer) and all of them wouldn't budge. One of them literally said 'go fuck yourself if you can't afford it"))))[/quote]But keep believing the gringo market is not affected by one monger or group of mongers when those same chicks used to take $25 for all night, but now will not budge off of $400-$1000 a night when the minimum wage is $200 per month. You guys do it to yourselves.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2563966]LOL. A poster just wrote in the Rio thread: But keep believing the gringo market is not affected by one monger or group of mongers when those same chicks used to take $25 for all night, but now will not budge off of $400-$1000 a night when the minimum wage is $200 per month. You guys do it to yourselves.[/QUOTE]This is correct, and to sweepingly say that "what others pay doesn't effect what you pay" is to say that consumer behavior doesn't effect pricing. That's ridiculous even for someone who halfway listened in high school. It's equally true that there are often a number of different markets in a large city. What spend thrifts / show offs do in the Medellin Facebook market will have no effect on the Centro street scene. There's also often little that can be done about rising prices and / or diminished quality of service. When a venue becomes well known there will always be guys coming and over paying and / or wimping out and paying girls in advance while accepting bad service without any complaint. That said there's still value in encouraging guys in a forum like this not to be part of the problem.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2563929]So do you think that guys who could easily afford renting $ 1200 a night penthouses in Medellin, which I don't think there are many of, would also not go with 30 K hookers.[/QUOTE]Nope, we go to La Isla or Gusto.

I saw a small group today go through San Diego. It was more like a scene from Drumline than a protest. At first I thought they might have been celebrating the Man you match. It was peaceful except for the very angry rush hour drivers shaking their fists and honking their horns.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2563920]I am not on the ground but watching to see if Medellin gets as bad as Cali, People are saying it's not but that it's an isolated incident but that its that they're isolated to certain areas that you can stay away from. It's not like it's a war zone where you don't know where the artillery is going to land next. These people put these videos out today and they are on the ground in Medellin. The 1st one has some awesome footage of the protests and Laureles.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anZENaDgnNg[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKfISCHZ6aQ[/URL][/QUOTE]

The price is controlled by supply and demand, pure and simple. If it makes a mongerer feel like he is controlling price individually by the deals he strikes, more power to him, but it's delusional, plain and simple. The price is a result of and not a cause of market forces in play. Personalizing it, and injecting ego into the formula is irrelevant. Price went up over time because of increased demand and pretending like you can control that by sticking to a certain price, will eventually eliminate you from the market. That is where the desperation comes from with these mongers who are functioning on the edge already. Their sense of inevitability that says no matter how much they complain, point fingers, blame others for their failures, it's going to happen. You are going to get priced out and good riddance, jejeje. Some of the beliefs systems here are laughable.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2563966]Exchange rate has nothing to do with it. Chicks do not ask money based on an exchange rate, although some mongers may pay based on one. Mongers come from all over the world. No hooker is going to distinguish what the exchange rate is for a Canadian monger versus an Indian monger versus a Japanese monger.[/QUOTE]Not sure what the type of gringo nationality has to do anything, but whatever.

I beg to differ, exchange rates do play a part. When working P4P Brasileiras are dealing with gringos / estrangeiros (of any nationality), they will often inflate / adjust their offers based on what the USD:BRL exchange rate is doing. I've often found they are very savvy to this knowledge.

That same standard of pussy ten (10) years ago, where she was asking R$150 (or US$100)/ for overnight sex (in Rio) for example, she is now asking R$500-600+ (or US$100). It's the same standard of overnight pussy for the same US$100 dollars, just 10 years later. However, the ask in US dollars is the same 10 years later, not so much in Brazilian Reals. Its 4 x to 5 x more, 10 years later.

Why because of inflation and exchange rates manipulating the ratios of value over the years. Today, if the exchange rate was 1:1 (USD:BRL), how many Brazileiras, do you think, are going to be advertising their asking price at R$500+ (US $500+). Let alone hordes of guys flying to Brazil to pay US$500+ for pernoite.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2563966]Not me. I have already stated that. But apparently somebody is or we would not be having this discussion.

LOL. A poster just wrote in the Rio thread: But keep believing the gringo market is not affected by one monger or group of mongers when those same chicks used to take $25 for all night, but now will not budge off of $400-$1000 a night when the minimum wage is $200 per month. You guys do it to yourselves.[/QUOTE]

Although, you don't pay it (and nor do I), the ask (or the bid) is the ask. Take it or leave it. As is evidenced from the fine example you've provided from the Rio thread, [i]"...One of them literally said 'go fuck yourself if you can't afford it.' ".[/i] Pay it, don't pay it, "It's up to you..." as they say in SEA.

Whether or not a market caves-in due to guy(s) overpaying, will always be pure subjective speculation and will never just be the ONLY reason a particular P4P market is so called, "ruined".

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2563930] I walked by a beggar, who walked right up to me and I brushed him off a bit arrogantly. And he said something like "se vaya a la playa, yo." Either that means he would kill me or hopefully he just said something bizarre about the beach LOL.

Cheers![/QUOTE]I don't think he was talking about going to the beach or killing you. I suspect that he was talking about money, although playa is beach in Spanish, plata means money, so if it isn't that, then it's probably a saying or dicho. Maybe somebody knows what he was saying.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2563861]Cool story bro. 50 yo talking like he's still in high school LOL.[/QUOTE]Seriously. "GAF".

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2563796]10 yrs is not a long time, can you imagine multiplying all puta prices in Colombia by 10, wowwwwww.

May as well just hit Los Angeles strip clubs.

Puta price inflation is a deadly cancer to this hobby.[/QUOTE]Ten years ago the USD to COP exchange rate was approximately 1,700 Pesos and now is around 3,700 Pesos to the USD.

I believe that 10 years ago the Putas were more expensive than today in Colombia.

Assuming a Puta cost 20 K ten years ago, that would of costed around $ 9 USD, and let's say a Puta costing 30 K today would be around $ 8 USD.

I think others can confirm my belief that Puta pricing really hasn't increased over the past ten years, at least in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2563996]I beg to differ, exchange rates do play a part. When working P4P Brasileiras are dealing with gringos / estrangeiros (of any nationality), they will often inflate / adjust their offers based on what the USD:BRL exchange rate is doing. I've often found they are very savvy to this knowledge.[/QUOTE]We have totally different experiences then. I most certainly knew no hooker or establishment with hookers that asked for less reais when the exchange rate fell from 3.89 BRL to 1 USD to 1.52 BRL to 1 USD. I think you give them too much credit. Those broads can not count. In Tijuana the exchange rate for Mexican Pesos to USD has doubled to 20 to 1, but if you ask for a price in pesos instead of USD, the chicks are still doing it as if it was still 10 to 1. And we are talking about hookers here. I have well educated friends in Brazil that have no idea what the Real is to the USD and they do not care because none of their bills are in foreign currency. To say a hooker is savvy about this and adjusts prices accordingly seems far-fetched. If the exchange fell and they moved prices down because of it, they could no longer pay their rent. I maintain that they are not concerned with exchange rate. Their only concern is what customers are willing to pay.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2563929]So do you think that guys who could easily afford renting $ 1200 a night penthouses in Medellin, which I don't think there are many of, would also not go with 30 K hookers.[/QUOTE]I think that the guys actually renting the high end penthouses probably aren't partying with the Veracruz street girls. Same deal with the guys spending $600-$1000 a night at Gusto.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2563874]I think comparing 3rd world putas to high end sports cars is a horrible analogy, you can resell the car.

You can't resell the puta after you popped, I see it more akin to a bottle of wine $20 vs $20000.

https://freakonomics.com/2008/07/16/cheap-wine/

Sometimes you get what you pay for IE, Mercedes vs Hyundai.

Sometimes you don't.

With putas it doesn't apply, are there tiny variations in quality sure.

Not much.

I always want to be the top never the bottom.

Always the hunter never the prey.[/QUOTE]It's not my fault you're making generalizations.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2563636]Rich people are smart with money they don't flush it down the toilet on 3rd world putas, if they were that dumb they wouldn't be rich.

Most "mongers" that overpay, do so out of pathetic desperation.

Show me someone that overpays 3rd world putas and I will show you someone with very low self-worth / self-esteem.

A fool and his loot soon part.

Most "rich" people are very frugal, that's how they got rich and that's how they stay that way.[/QUOTE]Or, did someone else post that under your name?

Let's nip this in the bud. Most rich people didn't get rich by being frugal. Most rich people got rich by being born to rich parents. If they were frugal there wouldn't be a first class section on airlines, there wouldn't be $50-$100 k per night hotel rooms, there wouldn't be $100 k wristwatches, the list goes on and on.

If rich people were smart with their money explain Bernie Madoff. All you have to do is spend 2 hours in Parque Lleras and you'll understand that you don't know much about rich people. They're as likely as anyone to pay much more than necessary.

There's a guy who spends a lot of time in both Medellin and Thailand, nice guy, I've met him a few times. It's a running joke with several of the ex-pats that you don't want to get any of his girls when he's done with them, because they'll expect too much. You have to give them a few months to get connected back to the normal price structure.

There are guys buying putas houses, cars, jewelry and it's not the guys who are maxing out their credit cards to go on vacation.

As for the rest, either you were drunk when you wrote it, or you've never been with a working girl:

"With putas it doesn't apply, are there tiny variations in quality sure. Not much."

Tiny variations in quality? The variations in quality are much greater than the variations between a Mercedes and a Hyundai, much greater than the variations between a Trabant and a Rolls Royce, much greater than the variations between a rusted tricycle with bent wheels and a Bugatti Veyron.

There are hookers with open sores who haven't bathed in weeks and there are hookers who are spending $1,000 or more just to get ready for their customer. There are hookers with bodies that would have convinced Michelangelo to give up boys and hookers who would turn your stomach before they took their clothes off. There are hookers who you can't get away from quick enough and hookers who can convince you that you're the world's greatest lover.

Go to any casa in Medellin and you will find much more than a "tiny" variation in quality. Walk around the Veracruz stroll and you'll find an even greater variation in quality. Visit any of the strip clubs, from Taberna Victoria to La Isla and you'll see.

If you don't believe there's much variation in quality, you've never been the "hunter", or the "top."

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2563959]The lower the price the more she wants your milk, the higher the price the less she even wants to touch you.

Good luck having a good session whilst she is laying there with her eyes closed, high prices reflect a gag factor surcharge LOL.[/QUOTE]You expect me to believe that any of the girls in El Centro are only asking for 30 k from everyone because they really are desperate to have sex with everyone? Meanwhile the girls hanging all over the guys in Gusto, asking for $200 are disgusted by the guys there?

Does that translate to other areas as well? Do restaurants with $200 entrees just charge that much because they are disgusted by the customers? And the guys selling empanadas on the street love the customers?

Do you also believe gynecologists charge less for their more attractive patients?

Hookers don't "want your milk." They aren't spreading their legs and opening their mouths because they enjoy collecting sperm. It's a job. They do it for money. They don't show up at your door and suddenly lower or raise their rates because you look better or worse than they expected.

Not long ago you were complaining about people posting bad information and then you come out with this?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2564008]We have totally different experiences then. I most certainly knew no hooker or establishment with hookers that asked for less reais when the exchange rate fell from 3.89 BRL to 1 USD to 1.52 BRL to 1 USD. I think you give them too much credit. Those broads can not count. In Tijuana the exchange rate for Mexican Pesos to USD has doubled to 20 to 1, but if you ask for a price in pesos instead of USD, the chicks are still doing it as if it was still 10 to 1. And we are talking about hookers here. I have well educated friends in Brazil that have no idea what the Real is to the USD and they do not care because none of their bills are in foreign currency. To say a hooker is savvy about this and adjusts prices accordingly seems far-fetched. If the exchange fell and they moved prices down because of it, they could no longer pay their rent. I maintain that they are not concerned with exchange rate. Their only concern is what customers are willing to pay.[/QUOTE]Leave exchange rates out of it and focus on one thing, Inflation.

What was the average price for a dozen eggs 10 years ago? What is it today? Has it stayed the same? Unlikely. It boggles my mind that mongers expect the price of pussy to never increase, when the price of everything else is going up.

Whether one segment of one market (the gringo segment of the pussy market) is outpacing inflation is possible, but there are other factors to consider. Are there more or less gringos buying pussy now? Are they a larger or smaller segment of the total market?

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2563920]I am not on the ground but watching to see if Medellin gets as bad as Cali, People are saying it's not but that it's an isolated incident but that its that they're isolated to certain areas that you can stay away from. It's not like it's a war zone where you don't know where the artillery is going to land next. These people put these videos out today and they are on the ground in Medellin. The 1st one has some awesome footage of the protests and Laureles.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anZENaDgnNg[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKfISCHZ6aQ[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2563963]There is tons of footage of this in FB etc. I have heard that a couple of hours after protests it was business as usual on 70. Chairs out and music blaring from the bars etc.

A BM who is on ground is recommending taking this shit seriously and not to venture to Laureles. Conflicted as I have trip coming up next week.[/QUOTE]I just realized reading my post that I mistyped, I meant to say it is NOT an isolated incident but that it is isolated to the area that these protests are planed for as the people in these videos are saying, if you follow the notifications about when and where the protests are and stay away. I am just not sure where they post these notices of where and when the protests are going to be.

I do not know if the couple that make the "How to expat" are in Laureles and I agree if this shit is going down like this on La70 then a person staying in that area could get penned down in their apartment or hotel for the at least as long as the protest lasted. I think that one guy who made the video with that shows protest footage stays in EL Poblado, I think the protests in Poblado have been in the area of Exito / Calle 10/ Cr 43 a. I hear that the protests in Envigado are peaceful because the old hit crew that was the equivalent of Murder Inc (the real mafia hitman firm not the hip hop music label) that took over the cartels after Escobar went down, they put out the word that if there was any violence in Envigado they would be the ones to end it.

So depending on what type of mongering you do I think could effect your decision, for example if you did Facebook chicas or any chicas that come to you maybe get an apartment in the upper side of Poblado or out in Envigado if you can find something that allows visitors, I have read in the past that some guys prefer staying out in Envigado because it is walkable are and quiet.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2563368]Follow this link.[/QUOTE]I have to admit I started this a couple of months ago and it works. I now have 42 connections (all chicas in Medellin and Cartagena). I am planning my trip for next year so should have over 100 by then. I also check their photos on google reverse image search, in a few cases I have found that the accounts are fake.

Thanks to JjBee62.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2564077]I just realized reading my post that I mistyped, I meant to say it is NOT an isolated incident but that it is isolated to the area that these protests are planed for as the people in these videos are saying, if you follow the notifications about when and where the protests are and stay away. I am just not sure where they post these notices of where and when the protests are going to be.

I do not know if the couple that make the "How to expat" are in Laureles and I agree if this shit is going down like this on La70 then a person staying in that area could get penned down in their apartment or hotel for the at least as long as the protest lasted. I think that one guy who made the video with that shows protest footage stays in EL Poblado, I think the protests in Poblado have been in the area of Exito / Calle 10/ Cr 43 a. I hear that the protests in Envigado are peaceful because the old hit crew that was the equivalent of Murder Inc (the real mafia hitman firm not the hip hop music label) that took over the cartels after Escobar went down, they put out the word that if there was any violence in Envigado they would be the ones to end it.

So depending on what type of mongering you do I think could effect your decision, for example if you did Facebook chicas or any chicas that come to you maybe get an apartment in the upper side of Poblado or out in Envigado if you can find something that allows visitors, I have read in the past that some guys prefer staying out in Envigado because it is walkable are and quiet.[/QUOTE]Having been caught up in the riots the other day I have to disagree with everything you said and with the contents of those videos for a number of reasons and I have shared some of the shocking video footage and photos I took the other day with other BMs to back it up. By the way I'm typing this on mobile.

Laureles is considered to be safe area among tourists and expats as well as Poblado, with the protests you have no idea whether they will turn into all out war or not. With the protests in Laureles I know a number of guys who had no idea the protests were taking place. I heard there were protests but had no idea they would be in Laureles, as well as the fact that there was supposed to be the biggest protests of all time the week before which I don't think actually happened.

During the protests in Laureles I know BMs who stay in the hotels on La Setenta (I also think Osteknot does) and what happened was they set a bank on fire, fully ablaze inside which is next door to a popular hotel which I have video footage of. Now, for all of you saying well I guess it's ok if you just stay in your hote or apartmentl, I'd advise you rethink that when they start setting buildings and the infrastructure on fire which is exactly what happened.

The whole of the LE setanta became a war zone and what would happen if you had a flight out that day?

Now here is an interesting observation, while the bank and electricity boxes were on fire, people were just gathered directly outside taking pictures in front of the firefighters and next to the hotel. If that was in Europe everywhere within a 1 km radius would be evacuated and shutdown.

Now when these riots start up can anyone guarantee that the same thing won't happen again in Poblado where they start setting buildings on fire and all out anarchy takes place where you are in severe danger. No.

The fact of the matter is Medellin or Colombia is bubbling over right now and these people have upped the ante with no end in sight. During the recent riots I was actually walking home and walked into a full scale riot and got tear gassed. It was pretty scary with smoke and explosions everywhere.

Now you guys can watch youtube videos and listen to various Putas that are not usually the sharpest tools in the shed and are probably used to violence, in order to convince yourselves it's not that bad but when your hiding in your hotel room with buildings burning around you, premises getting ransacked and destroyed by an angry mob wondering if your building is going to be the next target I'm sure your opinion is going to be quite different.

Now before you all rush to PM for the footage I happy to share with 2 senior members such as Surfer, Mr Enternational or the Tall Man, dtc just PM your what's app but I can't sit here on mobile all day sending PMs to everyone. Take care out there.

Edit. Just a further observation for any of you that remember the riots in Tottenham London when they started settling buildings on fire in the same way and that situation quickly got out of control with people leaping from the top floors to get out. I'm not trying to scare anyone thinking of coming but I think it's time for a reality check..

So what is your advice? Guys should not come here?

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2564124]Having been caught up in the riots the other day I have to disagree with everything you said and with the contents of those videos for a number of reasons and I have shared some of the shocking video footage and photos I took the other day with other BMs to back it up. By the way I'm typing this on mobile.

Laureles is considered to be safe area among tourists and expats as well as Poblado, with the protests you have no idea whether they will turn into all out war or not. With the protests in Laureles I know a number of guys who had no idea the protests were taking place. I heard there were protests but had no idea they would be in Laureles, as well as the fact that there was supposed to be the biggest protests of all time the week before which I don't think actually happened.

During the protests in Laureles I know BMs who stay in the hotels on La Setenta (I also think Osteknot does) and what happened was they set a bank on fire, fully ablaze inside which is next door to a popular hotel which I have video footage of. Now, for all of you saying well I guess it's ok if you just stay in your hote or apartmentl, I'd advise you rethink that when they start setting buildings and the infrastructure on fire which is exactly what happened.

The whole of the LE setanta became a war zone and what would happen if you had a flight out that day?

Now here is an interesting observation, while the bank and electricity boxes were on fire, people were just gathered directly outside taking pictures in front of the firefighters and next to the hotel. If that was in Europe everywhere within a 1 km radius would be evacuated and shutdown..[/QUOTE]

I find it very depressing what I have read about the protests, violence, and mayhem, especially in Laureles. I really like Laureles and would of never thought something like that would occur there. And am concerned that these protests in essence have been superspreader events as evidenced in the upward trend of COVID cases and am wondering know if there's going to be more weekend lockdowns.

Regardless, fuck all the madness going on in this Country, on Friday afternoon I left town and it was a hassle to get out of town with the Autopista all jacked up. Anyways I got to the Caribe station on the METRO and the North Bus Station and caught a collectivo to San Geronimo which is on the way to Santa Fe de Antioquia. When there's no traffic it usually only takes an hour to San Geronimo and another 1/2 hour to Santa Fe. I rented an apartment in San Geronimo, it's a small town with lots of Hostel's, hotels, and Fincas. At the main entrance to town there is an EXITO and where all transport stops in route headed north. In the town itself there is a central park, a Church, lots of small places to eat around the park, along with all kinds of stores. It's very kicked back, and the main mode of transport around town is by tuk-tuks just like in Asia.

On Saturday I caught a colectivo to Santa Fe to eat at my favorite restaraunt there named Casa Solariega. It's only open on Fridays and Saturday's and you have to have a reservation to eat there. The owner is from Belgium and the menu is all European, and they have a very large selection of beers from Europe and wines from all over the World. When you step into this place it's like being in Europe, you would never know your in Colombia. And if you like snail, rabbit, lamb, and European dishes like Bouillabaisse, Hungarian Goulash, and Lamb stews this is the place. There's no restaurant in Medellin like this and I highly recommend the place.

And just to stay on topic, there are a few girls working the streets in Santa Fe, yet I wasn't in a position to explore this as I always bring company with me when I head this direction. It's very relaxing having an apartment and nice large pools to play in.

Life is good!

There is also strong evidence and video footage to suggest that the army are arming criminal elements to infiltrate protests in order to illegitimise thier cause, which will also make it easier for the government to crackdown harder.

[URL]https://youtu.be/WB2isJA1JdU[/URL]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2563989]The price is controlled by supply and demand, pure and simple. If it makes a mongerer feel like he is controlling price individually by the deals he strikes, more power to him, but it's delusional, plain and simple. The price is a result of and not a cause of market forces in play. Personalizing it, and injecting ego into the formula is irrelevant. Price went up over time because of increased demand and pretending like you can control that by sticking to a certain price, will eventually eliminate you from the market. That is where the desperation comes from with these mongers who are functioning on the edge already. Their sense of inevitability that says no matter how much they complain, point fingers, blame others for their failures, it's going to happen. You are going to get priced out and good riddance, jejeje. Some of the beliefs systems here are laughable.[/QUOTE]Spot on. Especially when 50+ year olds start talking about alpha vs beta in the p4p market, hilarious stuff. I'll pay what I want for pussy and could careless if broke asses whine about it; call it gentrification, they can go find p4p in the barrios Jajajaja.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2564037]It's not my fault you're making generalizations.

Or, did someone else post that under your name?

Let's nip this in the bud. Most rich people didn't get rich by being frugal. Most rich people got rich by being born to rich parents. If they were frugal there wouldn't be a first class section on airlines, there wouldn't be $50-$100 k per night hotel rooms, there wouldn't be $100 k wristwatches, the list goes on and on.

If rich people were smart with their money explain Bernie Madoff. All you have to do is spend 2 hours in Parque Lleras and you'll understand that you don't know much about rich people. They're as likely as anyone to pay much more than necessary.

There's a guy who spends a lot of time in both Medellin and Thailand, nice guy, I've met him a few times. It's a running joke with several of the ex-pats that you don't want to get any of his girls when he's done with them, because they'll expect too much. You have to give them a few months to get connected back to the normal price structure.

There are guys buying putas houses, cars, jewelry and it's not the guys who are maxing out their credit cards to go on vacation.[/QUOTE]Don't compare pussy to cars.

You can't compare a blowjob to a Mercedes.

[URL]https://freakonomics.com/2008/07/16/cheap-wine/[/URL]

You like to point to outliers, I've never seen a hooker with sores so I don't know where you monger, a puta spending $1000 to get ready for a john jajajajajajajajaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

What in a movie called pretty woman.

For every fool sitting in 1st class with money there are 100 in coach.

BTW even airlines are ditching 1st class, not enough chumps (or expense accts that will pay for it).

Outliers are just that, I'm not going to post something and then argue with you for 2 hrs.

If you want to meet me, bring 10000 usd and I will and we will find a 3rd party to hold it.

I will prove what I do to you, or you get the loot.

Or I will gladly take it.

If you want to continually argue I will just use the ignore button.

So you can argue with someone else.

Here's a tip.

Think before you type and type slower maybe cut back on the caffeine.

Alright finally got a subscription, if anyone's going to be there June 12-19 let me know, I'm looking to hit up the Mansion and other spots as well.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2564043]You expect me to believe that any of the girls in El Centro are only asking for 30 k from everyone because they really are desperate to have sex with everyone? Meanwhile the girls hanging all over the guys in Gusto, asking for $200 are disgusted by the guys there?

Does that translate to other areas as well? Do restaurants with $200 entrees just charge that much because they are disgusted by the customers? And the guys selling empanadas on the street love the customers?

Do you also believe gynecologists charge less for their more attractive patients?

Hookers don't "want your milk." They aren't spreading their legs and opening their mouths because they enjoy collecting sperm. It's a job. They do it for money. They don't show up at your door and suddenly lower or raise their rates because you look better or worse than they expected.

Not long ago you were complaining about people posting bad information and then you come out with this?[/QUOTE]Do you want to repeat you don't think a puta in any city in the world will quote a guy that's a 10 the same as a 1, or a -10?

Do you realize how silly you look?

Here is my final reply to you, I'm not going to spend hours arguing with you because you have nothing better to do, like you do with Elvis.

[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/11/30/247530095/are-you-interested-dating-odds-favor-white-men-asian-women[/URL]

[URL]https://www.wbez.org/stories/asian-american-men-less-likely-to-date-interacially/f314cd06-067c-4145-b0d0-474bd58df0dd[/URL]

If you are trying to get me to boast then I will, I do better than most, if that bothers you, take it up with your DNA providers, not me.

Your lame attempts at sophistry, and social inversion are unimpressive, I sure hope you aren't an atty.

Here are 2 NPR stories, go ahead and try to say this doesn't apply to putas, if anything its even much more pronounced in the puta market.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2564043]You expect me to believe that any of the girls in El Centro are only asking for 30 k from everyone because they really are desperate to have sex with everyone? Meanwhile the girls hanging all over the guys in Gusto, asking for $200 are disgusted by the guys there?

Does that translate to other areas as well? Do restaurants with $200 entrees just charge that much because they are disgusted by the customers? And the guys selling empanadas on the street love the customers?

Do you also believe gynecologists charge less for their more attractive patients?

Hookers don't "want your milk." They aren't spreading their legs and opening their mouths because they enjoy collecting sperm. It's a job. They do it for money. They don't show up at your door and suddenly lower or raise their rates because you look better or worse than they expected.

Not long ago you were complaining about people posting bad information and then you come out with this?[/QUOTE]Most chicas on the planet will do anything with anyone with enough bribery.

Now for an example try to pull it off with one of them for $5, how many chicos can do it?

The truth is the truth whether you like it or not.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FnO3igOkOk&t=47s[/URL]

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2564169]There is also strong evidence and video footage to suggest that the army are arming criminal elements to infiltrate protests in order to illegitimise thier cause, which will also make it easier for the government to crackdown harder.

[URL]https://youtu.be/WB2isJA1JdU[/URL][/QUOTE]Actually, it will make it harder for the Government to crackdown. Colombia, with what's been happening now, is bringing back memories of the Pablo Escobar days, not something they would like the world to be reminded of.

And I can tell you that there are many Colombians in Medellin who are ashamed of of their City's past history, which was once the murder capital of the world.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2564154]So what is your advice? Guys should not come here?[/QUOTE]Honestly I don't feel that it's my call to make but it's clearly evident that ithere major civil unrest here which has been escalating with the potential for it to escalate even further. Coupled with the fact that most embassies are advising against travelling to Colombia and therefore if things go south you're unlikely to get assistance, is that a situation you want to put yourself in? If it was a friend asking me I would advise against it.

One more thing, on the same day as the riots around midday I heard someone screaming, I thought it was just another local looney. The screaming got louder and I heard breaking glass and more commotion. I decided to look out of my balcony and there was a crowd chasing 2, guys on a motorbike, with the guy on the back pointing a pistol at the crowd. Then I saw a girl also running while crying and picking up some belongings off the ground.

A couple of weeks coming back from dinner with Happy shiva I heard another commotion just off la Setenta on 44 a. A car started speeding up the street with yet again a crowd chasing it while there was a girl hanging on to the side of the car getting dragged all the way up the street. It was like something out of a movie.

Welcome to the mad House.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2564213]Do you want to repeat you don't think a puta in any city in the world will quote a guy that's a 10 the same as a 1, or a -10?

Do you realize how silly you look?

Here is my final reply to you, I'm not going to spend hours arguing with you because you have nothing better to do, like you do with Elvis.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/11/30/247530095/are-you-interested-dating-odds-favor-white-men-asian-women

https://www.wbez.org/stories/asian-american-men-less-likely-to-date-interacially/f314cd06-067c-4145-b0d0-474bd58df0dd

If you are trying to get me to boast then I will, I do better than most, if that bothers you, take it up with your DNA providers, not me.

Your lame attempts at sophistry, and social inversion are unimpressive, I sure hope you aren't an atty.

Here are 2 NPR stories, go ahead and try to say this doesn't apply to putas, if anything its even much more pronounced in the puta market.[/QUOTE]I thought you didn't like outliers? Now you're basing your claims on finding one hooker, one place in the world, who varies her rates?

Why is it that whenever I set up another monger with a girl in Medellin she sets her rate before knowing anything about the guy? Why is it that the casas and strip clubs have an established rate? Why do photoprepagos why mileroticos girls quote prices over WhatsApp? Why is it that one girl, charged the same price for 5 different guys over a period of several weeks, guys ranging from under 30 to over 60, from fit to fat?

What's this silliness about doing better than most? They're prostitutes. They sell sex for money. There's no better or worse. You pay, you get laid. As long as you bathe regularly and know how to use a toothbrush, you'll have no difficulty, regardless of what you look like. They don't base whether or not they're taking customers on how attractive they think the guy is. They base it on how much they need the money.

If you had ever been to a mongering destination you would know this. I've hung out with guys in Medellin who are still in their 20's and guys in their 70's. I've met up with guys who could barely climb a flight of stairs and guys who run marathons. I've seen guys who looked like models, and guys with faces even their mother has a tough time loving. They're all getting laid and mostly they're all paying about the same.

There's a simple way to solve this. I'll be in Medellin June 16-25. Just show up and hit me up. I'll call up a girl to meet you. You can prove that she'll charge you much less than her normal price.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2564194]Spot on. Especially when 50+ year olds start talking about alpha vs beta in the p4p market, hilarious stuff. I'll pay what I want for pussy and could careless if broke asses whine about it; call it gentrification, they can go find p4p in the barrios Jajajaja.[/QUOTE]They all are from the barrios. Though some have been in the game long enough to get some risky surgery and a fake Gucci purse to tote. I've seen it time and again, girls start out in Centro strip clubs then graduate to Fase Dos. Or start in a Centro casa then go to Energy then Lutron, Facebook or Cartegena, and almost invariably looked better when they were new to game, natural, and charging a small fraction of the price they later came to expect. But in the process of paying more you get a bit better "ambience" though it all looks and smells about the same when the lights go on at the end of the night. And you can feel like a bigshot, Money Mayweather make it rain and what not, call others broke, but that's typically just as fake as the girls you are paying too much for. That said, enjoy. It's your fantasy. Jajajaja.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2564270]They all are from the barrios. Though some have been in the game long enough to get some risky surgery and a fake Gucci purse to tote. I've seen it time and again, girls start out in Centro strip clubs then graduate to Fase Dos. Or start in a Centro casa then go to Energy then Lutron, Facebook or Cartegena, and almost invariably looked better when they were new to game, natural, and charging a small fraction of the price they later came to expect. But in the process of paying more you get a bit better "ambience" though it all looks and smells about the same when the lights go on at the end of the night. And you can feel like a bigshot, Money Mayweather make it rain and what not, call others broke, but that's typically just as fake as the girls you are paying too much for. That said, enjoy. It's your fantasy. Jajajaja.[/QUOTE]Yup, I prefer the fake look and the ambience at gusto / la isla over el centro. We have different tastes and budgets, spending 30 k vs 300 k doesn't make or break me. If I lived there, it would likely be different.

Ive never been to el centro, but based on the YouTube videos, the chicas are definitely not my type

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2564124]Having been caught up in the riots the other day I have to disagree with everything you said and with the contents of those videos for a number of reasons

I know a number of guys who had no idea the protests were taking place. I heard there were protests but had no idea they would be in Laureles, as well as the fact that there was supposed to be the biggest protests of all time the week before which I don't think actually happened.


The whole of the LE setanta became a war zone and what would happen if you had a flight out that day?

Now when these riots start up can anyone guarantee that the same thing won't happen again in Poblado where they start setting buildings on fire and all out anarchy takes place where you are in severe danger. No.

The fact of the matter is Medellin or Colombia is bubbling over right now and these people have upped the ante with no end in sight. During the recent riots I was actually walking home and walked into a full scale riot and got tear gassed. It was pretty scary with smoke and explosions everywhere.

. Just a further observation for any of you that remember the riots in Tottenham London when they started settling buildings on fire in the same way and that situation quickly got out of control with people leaping from the top floors to get out. I'm not trying to scare anyone thinking of coming but I think it's time for a reality check..[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for this report, this is invaluable information, this is by far more information than I have seen anywhere else, The fact that you say people did not know these riots were going to take place is very important because it means there is no guarantee of avoiding it, I said in my post that Envigado looked like the wisest choice of places to stay right now, but then since there are only essentially two roads to get to the airport, if they shut them off that could be a disaster for anyone looking to get out. I have not heard anything about Cartagena but if I were looking to take a trip I personally would definitely avoid Medellin now and I would be looking hard at Cartagena to see what was happening there.

It's true demonstrations and riots can pop off at any time at any place. It's also true the daily newspaper publishes a schedule so we can avoid them. Crimes and accidents of course are even more unpredicatable. If it's going to be a scary time it's best to go somewhere with a less frightening reputation. Today I sheltered in place because of a thunderstorm.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2564302]Thank you very much for this report, this is invaluable information, this is by far more information than I have seen anywhere else, The fact that you say people did not know these riots were going to take place is very important because it means there is no guarantee of avoiding it, I said in my post that Envigado looked like the wisest choice of places to stay right now, but then since there are only essentially two roads to get to the airport, if they shut them off that could be a disaster for anyone looking to get out. I have not heard anything about Cartagena but if I were looking to take a trip I personally would definitely avoid Medellin now and I would be looking hard at Cartagena to see what was happening there.[/QUOTE]

I was entering my hotel in Medellin after curfew tonight, and I couldn't help but overhear an American whining to the front desk about getting robbed.

The lobby was empty, but I just loitered so I could hear what happened. From the sound of his voice he was from New York or Jersey and looked like he was in his late 20's or early 30's.

He said "they took my Rolex watch and they even took my Gucci bag."

Then he went on to tell the receptionist that he got drugged. He also said he doesn't do drugs nor drink, so he was saying something about how he didn't know how a girl or girls drugged him.

He was fully alert and talking normally so he must have gotten robbed, not tonight, but on a prior day during his trip here.

I'm not sure why he thought it was okay to bring a Rolex and expensive items down here, but whatever, he hopefully learned his lesson.

I've been here for several days and have seen zero protests. But I did go on a coffee date with a girl (non-pro) that goes to the protests in El Centro obviously to protest.

She said the protesters have something called "line 1" which are the protesters who may or may not be criminals and don't give a crap about raising some hell. She stays in the back area, but it's still dangerous.

If you want to avoid the protests, just don't go to the areas where protests typically occur.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2564282]Yup, I prefer the fake look and the ambience at gusto / la isla over el centro. We have different tastes and budgets, spending 30 k vs 300 k doesn't make or break me. If I lived there, it would likely be different.

Ive never been to el centro, but based on the YouTube videos, the chicas are definitely not my type[/QUOTE]Before I made to el centro Medellin a while ago I thought I knew it all by watching few vids. I did same for sosua, Costa Rica, etc. Boy was I wrong. Taking a shot and visiting el centro was the best part of my vacation. Don't get me wrong, I love face dos, I really enjoyed gusto and la isla, being all dressed up in ac, good music, drinks, have pretty ladies dancing on you, it's a dream come true. The fun in centro became addictive in a way, and I mean there were girls that were just as pretty and even more natural. The videos you watch only show like 5% of what really goes on, barely. If you walk around in the right spot you can truly discover some gems. I went nuts. And for 30 k pesos. Are you fuckng serious? When I told some Poblado / parque Lleras dudes about that place they didn't believe me till I showed some of the girls pic, then many of them went next day. My friends back home still cannot believe I can find dimes to fck for $10 usd, I found same in several local casas in Costa Rica and I though I found heaven. In one of them I banged an 8, all natural for like $5 usd, yes recently.

It's really nothing to argue about, facts are facts. You're either winning, losing, or think you're winning. Don't let your arrogance or silly perception keep you from living and experiencing things. Maybe is a fear of the streets, cowardice, laziness? Whatever it is it's pointless to argue about it. In a way, the fewer want to bes that stay away from the streets the fewer competition the alphas and the braves will have. Also it doesn't have to be one or the other. Why not all 10 options? I hunt these hoes in 10 different ways from fb, gusto type clubs, tinder, centro, casas, twitter, cupid sites, sa, heck I even fuckd few maids, waitresses and street vendor nonpros. Bangd moms and daughters, sisters, cousins, heck I've met some girls attempted to rob me and scam me, I still found a way to bang them cause they were pretty LOL. Two girls posted fake pics, lied, we argued and fought till cops almost called, then I made a deal. Lets just fuck and here's cash LOL. They tried to play me so I played them first as I'm always prepared. Doesn't matter how you do it just don't be closed minded thinking you know it all.

Viva El Centro!!

Hello,

I am organizing a trip there and I would like to find a girl to be with me for a week, what would be a good price for 7 days?

I'm looking for a normal girl, not a model, type GFE.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2564261]Honestly I don't feel that it's my call to make but it's clearly evident that ithere major civil unrest here which has been escalating with the potential for it to escalate even further. Coupled with the fact that most embassies are advising against travelling to Colombia and therefore if things go south you're unlikely to get assistance, is that a situation you want to put yourself in? If it was a friend asking me I would advise against it..[/QUOTE]It's amazing to think that up until just a few months ago, COVID was the big concern with many in deciding whether or not to come to Medellin, and know it's civil unrest, yet COVID is raging thanks in good part to the protests. So for guys trying to decide whether to come down, this is something that should be considered as well. And I am saying this in terms if they start the weekend lockdowns again. I suppose will know what next weekend looks like maybe today or tomorrow. The next two weekends have National holidays associated with them on Monday's, so two three day weekends in a row. For me, getting locked down won't work, so I might fly out somewhere, or leave.

As far as what you have personally witnessed, I would not want to be caught up and saw what you've seen. The only thing I have witnessed personally are peaceful protesters walking down Avenida Las Vegas, and the Autopista either looking like a parking lot or totally deserted with no cars in one direction. I can see people here who do not follow the news, and not being aware of what's going on and being oblivious to it all, or perhaps they just have the attitude of fukitol.

I know this civil unrest issue has been simmering a long long time, but the timing / announcent of a very unfair tax scheme by Duque was like dropping a turd in a punchbowl, and the catalyst of the madness. I can't imagine what you witnessed happening in Laureles, but it did, and that means it could happen in a barrio like Provenza in Poblado. So is it really safe anywhere in town?

Anyways, you personally would advise a friend not to come to Medellin now, and I advised a friend of mine not to come down as well, but more in terms of potential weekend lockdowns versus the civil unrest which I think can be avoided if your very careful, but unfortunately besides that, there's the increased danger factor of being mugged and robbed / stabbed that has been occurring as well. So most definitely for a rookie mongerer, a first timer to Medellin, and / or a non Spanish speaker, stay away for while until things simmer down both in terms of the civil unrest and COVID.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2564302]Thank you very much for this report, this is invaluable information, this is by far more information than I have seen anywhere else, The fact that you say people did not know these riots were going to take place is very important because it means there is no guarantee of avoiding it, I said in my post that Envigado looked like the wisest choice of places to stay right now, but then since there are only essentially two roads to get to the airport, if they shut them off that could be a disaster for anyone looking to get out. I have not heard anything about Cartagena but if I were looking to take a trip I personally would definitely avoid Medellin now and I would be looking hard at Cartagena to see what was happening there.[/QUOTE]It's difficult right now to give advice to others as to what City to visit in Colombia in the weeks to come. For some like myself, and I've been to Cartagena a few times, and it's a beautiful City, but doesn't fit how I roll, yet for others works well.

As far as the roads to and from the Airport being closed, as I recall the tunnel was shutdown earlier for a while at the onset of the protests but was opend a few weeks ago. The thought of access to the airport being blocked and shutting it down is most definitely a scary thought, but I suspect highly unlikely with Medellin being the second largest City in the Country so the Government would never allow this to happen, yet the ouftall of keeping access to the airport open could be very ugly, perhaps like something out of a war zone in the Middle East.

Up until a week ago, it seemed as though the civil unrest was simmering down, at least in Medellin, yet the madness continues.

COVID is one thing, yet the civil unrest adds a whole new dimension to things.

I have been saying "Fuckitall" a lot lately.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2564282]Yup, I prefer the fake look and the ambience at gusto / la isla over el centro. We have different tastes and budgets, spending 30 k vs 300 k doesn't make or break me. If I lived there, it would likely be different.

Ive never been to el centro, but based on the YouTube videos, the chicas are definitely not my type[/QUOTE]Maybe for shit and giggles you should visit El Centro. Just look around, you might be surprised by some of the women you see, or like many others be repulsed by what you see, and I'm speaking in terms of besides the women who work there.

Lots of guys have tried to pull the trigger there, but haven't been able to, and it's not a negative reflection on them, it's just how they roll.

Regardless, you should make a visit to the area at least once and check out Botero's sculptures and the Museum.

And who knows, you might even get lucky.

I need some help. I was Covid positive a month ago and had mild symptoms. My understanding is that I would continue to show positive for weeks or months so obtaining a negative test prior to my next trip might be difficult or impossible. I have available a letter or recovery from a health administrator/epidemiologist and with that I guess a scientific expectation that I am not contagious nor susceptible. That's sufficient for travel within the US where a Covid diagnosis might be required.

I am able and capable of getting the vaccine as the CDC believes the vaccine is safe 14 after Covid symptoms subside. But having proof of vaccination would not matter per se if a negative test is required with that. I'm not even sure Colombia is requiring a vaccination, just thinking out loud as I type this.

I wish proof of recent recovery would be enough because there are questions emerging about effect amplification from the vaccine in post Covid patients. It's not clear if having a significant amount of antibodies with the vaccine causes the body to overreact or the Covid remnants to embed in tissue, whatever that result might be.

So anyway. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I've called the Consulate many times and cannot get a real person to answer the phone.

A doctor's note that says you recovered during the past 90 days gets you in if I'm not mistaken. Confirm with your airline and migracion. Gov. Co.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2564486]I need some help. I was Covid positive a month ago and had mild symptoms. My understanding is that I would continue to show positive for weeks or months so obtaining a negative test prior to my next trip might be difficult or impossible. I have available a letter or recovery from a health administrator/epidemiologist and with that I guess a scientific expectation that I am not contagious nor susceptible. That's sufficient for travel within the US where a Covid diagnosis might be required.

I am able and capable of getting the vaccine as the CDC believes the vaccine is safe 14 after Covid symptoms subside. But having proof of vaccination would not matter per se if a negative test is required with that. I'm not even sure Colombia is requiring a vaccination, just thinking out loud as I type this.

I wish proof of recent recovery would be enough because there are questions emerging about effect amplification from the vaccine in post Covid patients. It's not clear if having a significant amount of antibodies with the vaccine causes the body to overreact or the Covid remnants to embed in tissue, whatever that result might be.

So anyway. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I've called the Consulate many times and cannot get a real person to answer the phone.[/QUOTE]

Politics.

Originally Posted by LatinaLover#1.

It's obvious old Joe can't put a cognitive thought together on his own. Do really think he is coming up with these dozens of EX orders on his own. The progressive left is setting his agenda on a daily basis. If you a free thinking, read between the lines, level headed individual and not a brain dead drone who holds the last liberal statements on social media as fact, you would be able to figure it out. Unfortunately, you and the left always resort to name calling and insults and not able to hold a fair and intellectual conversation and entertain an type of respectful debate, so for that reason I see you will never allow any discussion contrary to your thought process. So for that reason you are now on ignore.

Again another right wing post overlooked by the admin.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2562621]Again another right wing post overlooked by the admin.[/QUOTE]Surprisingly, you didn't call him racist homophone fascist?

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2564486]So anyway. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I've called the Consulate many times and cannot get a real person to answer the phone.[/QUOTE]The rule is simple, clear, and concise. Negative PCR test taken within 96 hours required for entry.

Who would read your letter anyway? The ladies at immigration that check the document do not speak English (assuming your letter is in English). They know to look for 4 things. Name, Date, PCR, Negative.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2564486]I need some help. I was Covid positive a month ago and had mild symptoms. My understanding is that I would continue to show positive for weeks or months so obtaining a negative test prior to my next trip might be difficult or impossible. I have available a letter or recovery from a health administrator/epidemiologist and with that I guess a scientific expectation that I am not contagious nor susceptible. That's sufficient for travel within the US where a Covid diagnosis might be required.

I am able and capable of getting the vaccine as the CDC believes the vaccine is safe 14 after Covid symptoms subside. But having proof of vaccination would not matter per se if a negative test is required with that. I'm not even sure Colombia is requiring a vaccination, just thinking out loud as I type this.

I wish proof of recent recovery would be enough because there are questions emerging about effect amplification from the vaccine in post Covid patients. It's not clear if having a significant amount of antibodies with the vaccine causes the body to overreact or the Covid remnants to embed in tissue, whatever that result might be.

So anyway. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I've called the Consulate many times and cannot get a real person to answer the phone.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.colombia.travel/es/informacion-practica/salud-y-vacunas[/URL]

Painfully hilarious! "Currently, there are no vaccinations required to enter the country."

No vaccine what so ever required, actually they have never heard of COVID 19.

I got this link from their embassy's website.

Indeed!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2564494]The rule is simple, clear, and concise. Negative PCR test taken within 96 hours required for entry.
Who would read your letter anyway? The people at immigration that check the document do not speak English. They know to look for 4 things. Name, Date, PCR, Negative.[/QUOTE]So easy to find perfect answers in 30 seconds or less. But some most come to ISG self made experts & gurus for answers.

Colombia. Level 4: Do Not Travel.

[URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/colombia-travel-advisory.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/2578168602223602/videos/749184142423557/[/URL]

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2564282]We have different tastes and budgets, spending 30 k vs 300 k doesn't make or break me.[/QUOTE]Just for the record you have no clue what my budget is. Aside from the pandemic I'm in Nice, France every fall. That requires a budget, both for lodging and food and for the Russians and Ukrainians working out of apartments. BTW anyone interested in the scene there can PM me. I just see no reason to pay five to ten times as much for the same Medellin barrio girls in clip joints like La Isla and Gusto. You find girls just as hot in the Centro casas and strip clubs. I don't do the street scene. But if this viewpoint offends you then that's okay, as it may prove useful to others that come here to read.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2564461]It's difficult right now to give advice to others as to what City to visit in Colombia in the weeks to come. For some like myself, and I've been to Cartagena a few times, and it's a beautiful City, but doesn't fit how I roll, yet for others works well.

As far as the roads to and from the Airport being closed, as I recall the tunnel was shutdown earlier for a while at the onset of the protests but was opend a few weeks ago. The thought of access to the airport being blocked and shutting it down is most definitely a scary thought, but I suspect highly unlikely with Medellin being the second largest City in the Country so the Government would never allow this to happen, yet the ouftall of keeping access to the airport open could be very ugly, perhaps like something out of a war zone in the Middle East.

Up until a week ago, it seemed as though the civil unrest was simmering down, at least in Medellin, yet the madness continues.

COVID is one thing, yet the civil unrest adds a whole new dimension to things.

I have been saying "Fuckitall" a lot lately.[/QUOTE]I was chatting with my old roommate last night, asking questions for my upcoming trip. She no longer lives in Colombia, but her family is still in Bogota and she still has friends in Medellin. Her advice to me was avoid the main cities because of the potential to be caught up in the violence.

I'm spending some time playing tourist this time, flying in and out of Bogota and driving to Medellin with some stops for scenic detours. I'll probably stay in Envigado or San Antonio de Prado to keep myself out of the excitement.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2564488]A doctor's note that says you recovered during the past 90 days gets you in if I'm not mistaken. Confirm with your airline and migracion. Gov. Co.[/QUOTE]Good advice as always, the airlines will be on top of this for sure as to what is required, and with so many people being infected and recovered, there has to be a mechanism in place, just like in the USA with a Doctors note.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2564503][URL]https://www.facebook.com/2578168602223602/videos/749184142423557/[/URL][/QUOTE]That shit is too damn rampant. A lawyer friend in Barranquilla hit me up this morning saying she got her number back. I said what the hell are you talking about. She said she was coming back from doing a divorce in Santa Marta last week and some guys robbed her at gunpoint. Took her keys and purse. My number was in her office and she was able to transfer her old number to a new SIM. Be careful out there.

En Santa Marta la semana pasada fui a hacer un divorcio. Y cuando regresaba me salieron unos tipos con arma me quitaron las llaves mi bolso... Pues le entregue todo. Más vale mi vida. Hasta ahora recupere este cel. Y su numero fui a la empresa

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2564463]Maybe for shit and giggles you should visit El Centro. Just look around, you might be surprised by some of the women you see, or like many others be repulsed by what you see, and I'm speaking in terms of besides the women who work there.

Lots of guys have tried to pull the trigger there, but haven't been able to, and it's not a negative reflection on them, it's just how they roll.

Regardless, you should make a visit to the area at least once and check out Botero's sculptures and the Museum.

And who knows, you might even get lucky.[/QUOTE]You are right. Can't knock it til I try it. I normally stick with the clubs as that's what I'm used to (FKK sauna clubs). I've done photoprepagos for 50 k and 50 k for a chick from the clock tower in cartagena.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2564384]Before I made to el centro Medellin a while ago I thought I knew it all by watching few vids. I did same for sosua, Costa Rica, etc. Boy was I wrong. Taking a shot and visiting el centro was the best part of my vacation. Don't get me wrong, I love face dos, I really enjoyed gusto and la isla, being all dressed up in ac, good music, drinks, have pretty ladies dancing on you, it's a dream come true. The fun in centro became addictive in a way, and I mean there were girls that were just as pretty and even more natural. The videos you watch only show like 5% of what really goes on, barely. If you walk around in the right spot you can truly discover some gems. I went nuts. And for 30 k pesos. Are you fuckng serious? When I told some Poblado / parque Lleras dudes about that place they didn't believe me till I showed some of the girls pic, then many of them went next day. My friends back home still cannot believe I can find dimes to fck for $10 usd, I found same in several local casas in Costa Rica and I though I found heaven. In one of them I banged an 8, all natural for like $5 usd, yes recently.

Viva El Centro!![/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip, you're right I'm basing the quality of the el centro chicas solely off several YouTube videos. Whereas gustos and la isla are filled with 8's, would you say the ratio of 8's+ in el centro is on par with those clubs?

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2564486]I need some help. I was Covid positive a month ago and had mild symptoms. My understanding is that I would continue to show positive for weeks or months so obtaining a negative test prior to my next trip might be difficult or impossible. I have available a letter or recovery from a health administrator/epidemiologist and with that I guess a scientific expectation that I am not contagious nor susceptible. That's sufficient for travel within the US where a Covid diagnosis might be required. ...[/QUOTE]You can enter the US with that letter and a positive test (both within the last 90 days), but I don't think that will do you any good trying to enter Colombia. I think you have to quarantine for 14 days upon arrival.

As for getting the vaccine after you have had Covid, many doctors advise against that. They say the antibodies your body produces are more powerful than the vaccine.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2564565]As for getting the vaccine after you have had Covid, many doctors advise against that. They say the antibodies your body produces are more powerful than the vaccine.[/QUOTE]What "doctors?" Rand Paul and who else? The overwhelming consensus is that those who have previously had Covid should get vaccinated but will be fine with a single dose.

[URL]https://www.kfyrtv.com/2021/03/15/health-experts-say-those-previously-infected-with-covid-19-may-have-worse-side-effects-from-the-vaccine/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/mishagajewski/2021/03/10/people-who-already-had-covid-19-might-not-need-the-second-dose-of-vaccine-study-finds/?sh=43d6cd515f85[/URL]

P.S. Buyer beware when accepting unsourced medical opinions in a monger forum.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2564503][URL]https://www.facebook.com/2578168602223602/videos/749184142423557/[/URL][/QUOTE]Was this one of the Facebook group feeds? I think that store guy actually had a little bit of luck on his side, it looks like he missed with his first shot as the guy turned around and how the robber missed with his first two shots at near point blank range, we will never know. For sure this could have gone either way.

La 80 was shut down earlier this afternoon because of a scheduled demonstration. I haven't heard about violence or vandalism. There is a growing public call for an end to blockades and violent protests. It has about run its course. Check your embassy web sites. It's not always the most up to date information but they are rarely inaccurate. I was happy the rain let up early today.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2564461]It's difficult right now to give advice to others as to what City to visit in Colombia in the weeks to come. For some like myself, and I've been to Cartagena a few times, and it's a beautiful City, but doesn't fit how I roll, yet for others works well.

As far as the roads to and from the Airport being closed, as I recall the tunnel was shutdown earlier for a while at the onset of the protests but was opend a few weeks ago. The thought of access to the airport being blocked and shutting it down is most definitely a scary thought, but I suspect highly unlikely with Medellin being the second largest City in the Country so the Government would never allow this to happen, yet the ouftall of keeping access to the airport open could be very ugly, perhaps like something out of a war zone in the Middle East.

Up until a week ago, it seemed as though the civil unrest was simmering down, at least in Medellin, yet the madness continues.

COVID is one thing, yet the civil unrest adds a whole new dimension to things.

I have been saying "Fuckitall" a lot lately.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2564589]Was this one of the Facebook group feeds? I think that store guy actually had a little bit of luck on his side, it looks like he missed with his first shot as the guy turned around and how the robber missed with his first two shots at near point blank range, we will never know. For sure this could have gone either way.[/QUOTE]And everyone take note of the MO. Guy on bike approaches guy on sidewalk first, seemingly asking for directions while partner with gun trails behind on foot, both in helmets naturally.

Travel Advisory 4 = stay away, good advice at this point IMO.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2564589]Was this one of the Facebook group feeds? I think that store guy actually had a little bit of luck on his side, it looks like he missed with his first shot as the guy turned around and how the robber missed with his first two shots at near point blank range, we will never know. For sure this could have gone either way.[/QUOTE]If you watch carefully the store clerk looks to touch the thief on the back with his hand thus alerting him, and before any shots were fired.

I've been in Mexico for 2 months and will be booking my cheap return flight, soon. I'm reading all the reports of violence, and expect to be on high-alert when out. Thankfully, if there is a lockdown, or severe civil unrest, I will have a penthouse that is built to be enjoyed. I literally would not need to leave. As long as Rappi is functioning, I can hunker down in comfort, and probably invite some friends over for a day or two at a time.

Anyway, Mexico was ok. Puerto Vallarta was much better than Playa del Carmen, as far as expenses, weather, and gringos. I can't wait to get back to Medellin. I was looking at maybe going to CDMX or elsewhere, and continuing to search for apartments in MDE. However, I found the perfect spot, and I'm sick of this heat. It has been really refreshing to not have any restrictions, and only wear a mask for the first two steps into an establishment. I had some great times going out but it can get pricey popping bottles at the high-end places in these tourist spots. Only had a couple 3sums (PV & GDL), but one was a freebie that was fairly memorable. I'm itching to get back to Medellin to return to my jacuzzi party threesome ways! I have used 90 days, thus far, and plan to get a student visa in a couple of months, so I can stay beyond 180 days. Hopefully nothing happens to affect that process, because I am paying up front for my 6.5 month rental that will put me up to right before Christmas.

Anyhow, I'm considering, for the first time, buying a burner phone. I have been lucky enough to never face the headaches that come with getting a phone stolen, or losing it, but I can't even imagine if that were to happen. I don't pay too much attention to the backups, storage, etc. , but I do have to have access to my phone at nearly all times for work purposes. So, I will RTFF, but with all the COVID & politics, who knows how the search will go, and maybe there is updated info available that hasn't been posted.

Info:

I have an iphone with T-Mobile e-SIM from the US & a Colombian physical SIM.

Questions:

1) Which type of burner phone?

2) Is it possible to run the same WhatsApp number on multiple phones?

3) Should I just transfer my Colombian SIM back and forth between the two phones or get a second SIM?

I know all of this information is probably readily available on Google, but I'd rather get a concise response provided by some one that has been in my position or understands it.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2564606]
2) Is it possible to run the same WhatsApp number on multiple phones?
[/QUOTE]I have it on one phone and one laptop at the same time but I don't know if you can use it on two phones at the same time. I already lost my number so I can't try it. It should be easy enough for you to find out.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2564606]2) Is it possible to run the same WhatsApp number on multiple phones?[/QUOTE]Whatsapp has to be signed up with the number, but after that it is on the phone. You can not use the same number for multiple phones, but you can use 2 numbers in the same phone if you have a phone with dual messenger capabilities. Once you add the number to a new phone, it deactivates in the previous phone.

Well since not being at ground zero since last Wednesday, I decided to make a visit and deposit a load!

I left San Geronimo in the morning and arrived at the Northern Bus Terminal around noon, hopped in a cab to Poblado. Upon entering the on-ramp to the Autopista, it was like a parking lot and the driver said it wasn't good with the protesting wherever the fuck it was so he had to back up off the on ramp and I had him take me to the METRO to travel to Poblado. Finally got home, unpacked, made some calls and left at 3:30 PM for ground zero on the METRO. I got off at the Parque Berrio station and while walking down the stairs at ground level I saw three pretty girls, two of which were chatting, and another one talking with a guy. I walked a bit and turned around to watch them and suspected they were working but didn't want to butt in to their conversations. Anyways, I headed to the Veracruz Church and started making laps around the backide of the Church, the side of the Museum and back to the Church. Lots of girls out all over the place with a sprinkling of some very pretty ones, along with all the dumpy ones. It was impressive as to how many girls were out walking around and working, I think about as good as it gets for a Monday afternoon. While walking along side the Museum to the backstreet behind the Church there was a taller older woman, around thirty that I chatted with. She stuck out wearing a white dress and I had never seen her before so I stopped to chat with her. She said she had only been in Medellin for two weeks and was a bit aggressive, and I was interested, as I like thin taller girls most of the time but just couldn't pull the trigger at that moment. So out of curiosity I asked her how much and she said 30 K and I told her no thanks I was going to walk around some more and then she said how much was I willing to pay her. I told her what she quoted was okay, but that I just wasn't ready. She smiled at my response and was very polite about it all when I left. I went around the corner and thought, maybe I should of pulled her, and if it wasn't a good session, what the fuck, pay her and go pull another one. What struck me about her was how she didn't get pissed off about not being pulled and how polite she was. So after leaving and about ten minutes later I decided to pull her, and of course she was nowhere to be found. Oh well, that's how it goes a lot of times in El Centro.

So after not finding her I resumed taking my laps and low and behold the little spinner I met the Sunday before last was out so I took her upstairs and what a tight little thing with the tiny little butt. She likes doggy and was welping like a little dog, so tight and wet, I love it. Upon leaving the Zona Rosa the pregnant Vennie was out that quoted me 40 K and gave me a big smile. I'm tempted, but she's so big. So upon departing I decided to take another pass along side the Museum, and of course the tall slender girl in the dress was out and gave me a big smile when I approached. Since I had just dumped a load, the second one of the day, there was no way I could possibly dump another load so quickly being an old fart, so I told her how about tomorrow and she said she would be out early. I could see how desperate she was to get a client and gave her 10 K and told her manana, she profusely thanked me for giving her 10 K and I'm planning to give her a tryout tomorrow. My bet is she'll do anything I want.

And while going to the METRO, the same girls I noticed earlier were out at the stairs leading up the Station and there was a new girl out. I chatted with her and confirmed they were all working and another place to dig for buried treasure.

So my assessment of ground zero as of 4 PM Monday Memorial Day is as follows. Lot's of women available, and many are desperate, meaning anything goes literally. Now is a good time to be in Medellin if no weekend lockdowns and you you don't get mugged or caught up in a protest.

I do not post often and I don't want to spread doubt. This year I've personally had more close calls with crime. The street urchins have become desperate.

I personally let my guard down a lot before 2/20.

Different story this year.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2564461]It's difficult right now to give advice to others as to what City to visit in Colombia in the weeks to come.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2564552]That shit is too damn rampant. A lawyer friend in Barranquilla hit me up this morning saying she got her number back. I said what the hell are you talking about. She said she was coming back from doing a divorce in Santa Marta last week and some guys robbed her at gunpoint. Took her keys and purse. My number was in her office and she was able to transfer her old number to a new SIM. Be careful out there.

En Santa Marta la semana pasada fui a hacer un divorcio. Y cuando regresaba me salieron unos tipos con arma me quitaron las llaves mi bolso... Pues le entregue todo. Ms vale mi vida. Hasta ahora recupere este cel. Y su numero fui a la empresa[/QUOTE]What will happen to this guy that shot him? Will he be set free with no consequences or will he be in trouble? You see the guy (shooters employee) wrap guy up in bag and make it disappear, what's that all about? Any thoughts on weather this guy arrested or not!

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2564606]

Info:

I have an iphone with T-Mobile e-SIM from the US & a Colombian physical SIM.

Questions:

1) Which type of burner phone?

2) Is it possible to run the same WhatsApp number on multiple phones?

3) Should I just transfer my Colombian SIM back and forth between the two phones or get a second SIM?

I know all of this information is probably readily available on Google, but I'd rather get a concise response provided by some one that has been in my position or understands it.[/QUOTE]1) Anything cheap that can run what's app and uber and doesn't attract attention. Walk to Barra Ejecutiva from Nutibara Hotel and you will be spoiled for choice.

2) Only if you want to keep swapping the sims. Its one of the drawbacks of what's app compared to something like messenger where you can easily log in and out of accounts on different phones. Whats app is tied to the SIM card number.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2564606]IAnyway, Mexico was ok. Puerto Vallarta was much better than Playa del Carmen, as far as expenses, weather, and gringos. I can't wait to get back to Medellin. I have used 90 days, thus far, and plan to get a student visa in a couple of months, so I can stay beyond 180 days. Hopefully nothing happens to affect that process, because I am paying up front for my 6.5 month rental that will put me up to right before Christmas.

Anyhow, I'm considering, for the first time, buying a burner phone. I have been lucky enough to never face the headaches that come with getting a phone stolen, or losing it, but I can't even imagine if that were to happen. I don't pay too much attention to the backups, storage, etc. , but I do have to have access to my phone at nearly all times for work purposes. So, I will RTFF, but with all the COVID & politics, who knows how the search will go, and maybe there is updated info available that hasn't been posted.[/QUOTE]Well I missed you in Puerto Vallarta and was there about ten days ago. Some things to consider about staying in Medellin longer than 180 days in a year. Technically speaking you become a tax resident after being in Colombia more than 180 days in a year, but I don't know if there is an exception for students.

Perhaps where your getting your student visa can shed some light on this, and something you should check into. The Colombian IRS called DIAN is getting more and more sophisticated, and there are several expat's living in Colombia who don't file Colombian taxes and could be in for quite a shock sometime in the future, so just something to check into.

As far as a burner phone, meaning not a smart phone, if that's what your talking about I recommend a Nokia. Lots of knockoffs but the real ones have a long battery life and are about $ 25 USD. But you can also get a smart phone for as low as 200,000 Pesos and it might be a better route for you as you can get data for like 2,000 Pesos a day. As far as Whatsapp on two different phones with different numbers, I tried that as I have two American cell numbers here, and they wouldn't allow it. My American cells stay inside my place, and I only go out with my burner phone.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2564461]It's difficult right now to give advice to others as to what City to visit in Colombia in the weeks to come. For some like myself, and I've been to Cartagena a few times, and it's a beautiful City, but doesn't fit how I roll, yet for others works well.

As far as the roads to and from the Airport being closed, as I recall the tunnel was shutdown earlier for a while at the onset of the protests but was opend a few weeks ago. The thought of access to the airport being blocked and shutting it down is most definitely a scary thought, but I suspect highly unlikely with Medellin being the second largest City in the Country so the Government would never allow this to happen, yet the ouftall of keeping access to the airport open could be very ugly, perhaps like something out of a war zone in the Middle East.

Up until a week ago, it seemed as though the civil unrest was simmering down, at least in Medellin, yet the madness continues.

COVID is one thing, yet the civil unrest adds a whole new dimension to things.

I have been saying "Fuckitall" a lot lately.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Surfer500;2564456] I know this civil unrest issue has been simmering a long long time, but the timing / announcent of a very unfair tax scheme by Duque was like dropping a turd in a punchbowl, and the catalyst of the madness. I can't imagine what you witnessed happening in Laureles, but it did, and that means it could happen in a barrio like Provenza in Poblado. So is it really safe anywhere in town?

Anyways, you personally would advise a friend not to come to Medellin now, and I advised a friend of mine not to come down as well, but more in terms of potential weekend lockdowns versus the civil unrest which I think can be avoided if your very careful, but unfortunately besides that, there's the increased danger factor of being mugged and robbed / stabbed that has been occurring as well. So most definitely for a rookie mongerer, a first timer to Medellin, and / or a non Spanish speaker, stay away for while until things simmer down both in terms of the civil unrest and COVID.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Knowledge;2564310]It's true demonstrations and riots can pop off at any time at any place. It's also true the daily newspaper publishes a schedule so we can avoid them. Crimes and accidents of course are even more unpredicatable. If it's going to be a scary time it's best to go somewhere with a less frightening reputation. [/QUOTE][QUOTE=MojoBandit;2564302]Thank you very much for this report, this is invaluable information, this is by far more information than I have seen anywhere else, The fact that you say people did not know these riots were going to take place is very important because it means there is no guarantee of avoiding it, I said in my post that Envigado looked like the wisest choice of places to stay right now, but then since there are only essentially two roads to get to the airport, if they shut them off that could be a disaster for anyone looking to get out. I have not heard anything about Cartagena but if I were looking to take a trip I personally would definitely avoid Medellin now and I would be looking hard at Cartagena to see what was happening there.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JohnnyO;2564261]Honestly I don't feel that it's my call to make but it's clearly evident that ithere major civil unrest here which has been escalating with the potential for it to escalate even further. Coupled with the fact that most embassies are advising against travelling to Colombia and therefore if things go south you're unlikely to get assistance, is that a situation you want to put yourself in? If it was a friend asking me I would advise against it.

One more thing, on the same day as the riots around midday I heard someone screaming, I thought it was just another local looney. The screaming got louder and I heard breaking glass and more commotion. I decided to look out of my balcony and there was a crowd chasing 2, guys on a motorbike, with the guy on the back pointing a pistol at the crowd. Then I saw a girl also running while crying and picking up some belongings off the ground.

A couple of weeks coming back from dinner with Happy shiva I heard another commotion just off la Setenta on 44 a. A car started speeding up the street with yet again a crowd chasing it while there was a girl hanging on to the side of the car getting dragged all the way up the street. It was like something out of a movie.

Welcome to the mad House.[/QUOTE]Thanks to the posts and earlier posts discussing civil unrest in the past two weeks, I have decided against visiting Medellin for now. I was to fly out tomorrow. Both the one in San Juan near 70 and the peaceful March yesterday in Poblado suggest that this will be unpredictable and frequent. At the minimum, we need to watch our backs constantly. Although I am familiar with multiple areas of the city. Poor language skills, people accustomed to violence, civil unrest and new covid numbers (30th May) combine to make it a difficult trip to navigate successfully.

I will keep a watch out for a few weeks to see how this plays out.

Thanks to everyone for their input and valuable information. Special call out to JohnnyO.

Thank you for your on-ground reports and analysis.

Unfortunately, you can only use WhatsApp on one phone.

It's better to get a virtual number on your burner phone.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2564606]I've been in Mexico for 2 months and will be booking my cheap return flight, soon. I'm reading all the reports of violence, and expect to be on high-alert when out. Thankfully, if there is a lockdown, or severe civil unrest, I will have a penthouse that is built to be enjoyed. I literally would not need to leave. As long as Rappi is functioning, I can hunker down in comfort, and probably invite some friends over for a day or two at a time.

Anyway, Mexico was ok. Puerto Vallarta was much better than Playa del Carmen, as far as expenses, weather, and gringos. I can't wait to get back to Medellin. I was looking at maybe going to CDMX or elsewhere, and continuing to search for apartments in MDE. However, I found the perfect spot, and I'm sick of this heat. It has been really refreshing to not have any restrictions, and only wear a mask for the first two steps into an establishment. I had some great times going out but it can get pricey popping bottles at the high-end places in these tourist spots. Only had a couple 3sums (PV & GDL), but one was a freebie that was fairly memorable. I'm itching to get back to Medellin to return to my jacuzzi party threesome ways! I have used 90 days, thus far, and plan to get a student visa in a couple of months, so I can stay beyond 180 days. Hopefully nothing happens to affect that process, because I am paying up front for my 6.5 month rental that will put me up to right before Christmas.

Anyhow, I'm considering, for the first time, buying a burner phone. I have been lucky enough to never face the headaches that come with getting a phone stolen, or losing it, but I can't even imagine if that were to happen. I don't pay too much attention to the backups, storage, etc. , but I do have to have access to my phone at nearly all times for work purposes. So, I will RTFF, but with all the COVID & politics, who knows how the search will go, and maybe there is updated info available that hasn't been posted.

Info:

I have an iphone with T-Mobile e-SIM from the US & a Colombian physical SIM.

Questions:

1) Which type of burner phone?

2) Is it possible to run the same WhatsApp number on multiple phones?

3) Should I just transfer my Colombian SIM back and forth between the two phones or get a second SIM?

I know all of this information is probably readily available on Google, but I'd rather get a concise response provided by some one that has been in my position or understands it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2564600]If you watch carefully the store clerk looks to touch the thief on the back with his hand thus alerting him, and before any shots were fired.[/QUOTE]I notice this also, and it damn near got him killed, but what we will never know is if he said something as he touched him like "drop your gun I'm armed" or something to that effect because he did not want to shoot the robber in the back, either way I got to say he was a little stupid but he has gonads the size of basketballs. It was only because of the angle as the guy turned around that made him miss that first shot.

No more weekend lockdowns on the horizon, only a curfew midnight to 5 AM according to the news.

Medellin is wide open, and I think people are getting burned out on all the protests.

So with that being said, right now is a good time to be in Medellin.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2564565]You can enter the US with that letter and a positive test (both within the last 90 days), but I don't think that will do you any good trying to enter Colombia. I think you have to quarantine for 14 days upon arrival.

[b]As for getting the vaccine after you have had Covid, many doctors advise against that. They say the antibodies your body produces are more powerful than the vaccine.[/b][/QUOTE]This sounds suspiciously like trump's "many people have told me".

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2564624]Well since not being at ground zero since last Wednesday, I decided to make a visit and deposit a load!

I left San Geronimo in the morning and arrived at the Northern Bus Terminal around noon, hopped in a cab to Poblado. Upon entering the on-ramp to the Autopista, it was like a parking lot and the driver said it wasn't good with the protesting wherever the fuck it was so he had to back up off the on ramp and I had him take me to the METRO to travel to Poblado. Finally got home, unpacked, made some calls and left at 3:30 PM for ground zero on the METRO. I got off at the Parque Berrio station and while walking down the stairs at ground level I saw three pretty girls, two of which were chatting, and another one talking with a guy. I walked a bit and turned around to watch them and suspected they were working but didn't want to butt in to their conversations. Anyways, I headed to the Veracruz Church and started making laps around the backide of the Church, the side of the Museum and back to the Church. Lots of girls out all over the place with a sprinkling of some very pretty ones, along with all the dumpy ones. It was impressive as to how many girls were out walking around and working, I think about as good as it gets for a Monday afternoon. While walking along side the Museum to the backstreet behind the Church there was a taller older woman, around thirty that I chatted with. She stuck out wearing a white dress and I had never seen her before so I stopped to chat with her. She said she had only been in Medellin for two weeks and was a bit aggressive, and I was interested, as I like thin taller girls most of the time but just couldn't pull the trigger at that moment. So out of curiosity I asked her how much and she said 30 K and I told her no thanks I was going to walk around some more and then she said how much was I willing to pay her. I told her what she quoted was okay, but that I just wasn't ready. She smiled at my response and was very polite about it all when I left. I went around the corner and thought, maybe I should of pulled her, and if it wasn't a good session, what the fuck, pay her and go pull another one. What struck me about her was how she didn't get pissed off about not being pulled and how polite she was. So after leaving and about ten minutes later I decided to pull her, and of course she was nowhere to be found. Oh well, that's how it goes a lot of times in El Centro..[/QUOTE]Just read that Medellin curfew and lockdowns all go away June 8. I'm not certain about pico and cedula for shopping. Midnight curfew will continue this week.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2564596]Travel Advisory 4 = stay away, good advice at this point IMO.[/QUOTE]I have been watching the State Departments Travel Alerts for 4 years now and Colombia has been at Level 4 the entire time. I agree, it is very good advice right now due to the protests and the lockdown.

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2564815]I have been watching the State Departments Travel Alerts for 4 years now and Colombia has been at Level 4 the entire time. I agree, it is very good advice right now due to the protests and the lockdown.

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]With State dept. Alerts is they always err on the conservative side and are overly cautious. I have been traveling to Colombia for over 10 years, many times a year and have never had a problem. However, I don't go to Buenaventura or the Dariand Gap or El Bronx when it was notorious for drugs and crime. Or the dangerous areas of the south. That being said I would not recommend a rookie to visit Colombia in this time of unrest with another large outbreak of Covid. When these issues subside, go and enjoy.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2564815]I have been watching the State Departments Travel Alerts for 4 years now and Colombia has been at Level 4 the entire time. I agree, it is very good advice right now due to the protests and the lockdown.

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]I'm sure I've seen it at Level 3 a number of times during that time frame.

I haven't noticed pico / cedula enforcement. Maybe I shop at places that are too down market.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2564812]Just read that Medellin curfew and lockdowns all go away June 8. I'm not certain about pico and cedula for shopping. Midnight curfew will continue this week.[/QUOTE]

Slapshot you can likely afford to replace a lost or stolen phone. No amount of money will replace your foreign phone number but a spare SIM card will. My two part advice is back up your phone content and keep it simple by using the same phone you use in Mexico, North America or wherever else; part two is get a spare SIM card so you can activate your phone number on it via the Internet or by calling your provider. It's a personal choice but I decided years ago I would not sweat material things I can easily replace. I'm not completely reckless. I don't carry my life savings in a backpack while I'm crawling around Centro. I used to use a generic phone cover so my fancy phone doesn't stick out. Now that I have one of those multi lens phones I keep that covered with my hand the rare times I use it out in an open public setting in Centro. When it's in your pocket a stick up guy is not going to make a distinction between a cheapo Opera Mall knockoff or a US $1300 Samsung S21. For me the convenience of my phone is worth more to me than $1,300. I know it's counterintuitive coming from a Centro rat who rarely breaks the 50 K COP barrier chica plus room included but it is how I roll.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2564638]Well I missed you in Puerto Vallarta and was there about ten days ago. Some things to consider about staying in Medellin longer than 180 days in a year. Technically speaking you become a tax resident after being in Colombia more than 180 days in a year, but I don't know if there is an exception for students.

Perhaps where your getting your student visa can shed some light on this, and something you should check into. The Colombian IRS called DIAN is getting more and more sophisticated, and there are several expat's living in Colombia who don't file Colombian taxes and could be in for quite a shock sometime in the future, so just something to check into.

As far as a burner phone, meaning not a smart phone, if that's what your talking about I recommend a Nokia. Lots of knockoffs but the real ones have a long battery life and are about $ 25 USD. But you can also get a smart phone for as low as 200,000 Pesos and it might be a better route for you as you can get data for like 2,000 Pesos a day. As far as Whatsapp on two different phones with different numbers, I tried that as I have two American cell numbers here, and they wouldn't allow it. My American cells stay inside my place, and I only go out with my burner phone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2564793]No more weekend lockdowns on the horizon, only a curfew midnight to 5 AM according to the news.

Medellin is wide open, and I think people are getting burned out on all the protests.

So with that being said, right now is a good time to be in Medellin.[/QUOTE]You guys should not change your Medellin visit outlook at the drop of the hat. Who is going to pay for my non refundable ticket and other costs I sunk in to cancelled trip, you or JohnnyO.

Just kidding! LOL.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2564793]No more weekend lockdowns on the horizon, only a curfew midnight to 5 AM according to the news.

Medellin is wide open, and I think people are getting burned out on all the protests.

So with that being said, right now is a good time to be in Medellin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2564812]Just read that Medellin curfew and lockdowns all go away June 8. I'm not certain about pico and cedula for shopping. Midnight curfew will continue this week.[/QUOTE]I'm so fucking excited to be going back! I've added about 100 WA contacts from SA in the last 2 months, since leaving. Looking forward to newbies & repeats, alike!

I'm kind of writing-off my first week, as it's just filler until I move into my long-term apartment. I'm considering staying in Envigado, just for a change of pace. Anyone stayed there and have a recommendation as to any smaller pockets that are good areas to be, or any specific apartments? I'd prefer to be by La Calle de la Buena Mesa (CL 30 Sur). Any restaurant or bar recommendations in the immediate area?

I like Miraflores for authentic Peruvian food. There are so many restaurants it's hard to go wrong.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2564871]I'm so fucking excited to be going back! I've added about 100 WA contacts from SA in the last 2 months, since leaving. Looking forward to newbies & repeats, alike!

I'm kind of writing-off my first week, as it's just filler until I move into my long-term apartment. I'm considering staying in Envigado, just for a change of pace. Anyone stayed there and have a recommendation as to any smaller pockets that are good areas to be, or any specific apartments? I'd prefer to be by La Calle de la Buena Mesa (CL 30 Sur). Any restaurant or bar recommendations in the immediate area?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2564846]Slapshot you can likely afford to replace a lost or stolen phone. No amount of money will replace your foreign phone number but a spare SIM card will. My two part advice is back up your phone content and keep it simple by using the same phone you use in Mexico, North America or wherever else; part two is get a spare SIM card so you can activate your phone number on it via the Internet or by calling your provider. It's a personal choice but I decided years ago I would not sweat material things I can easily replace. I'm not completely reckless. I don't carry my life savings in a backpack while I'm crawling around Centro. I used to use a generic phone cover so my fancy phone doesn't stick out. Now that I have one of those multi lens phones I keep that covered with my hand the rare times I use it out in an open public setting in Centro. When it's in your pocket a stick up guy is not going to make a distinction between a cheapo Opera Mall knockoff or a US $1300 Samsung S21. For me the convenience of my phone is worth more to me than $1,300. I know it's counterintuitive coming from a Centro rat who rarely breaks the 50 K COP barrier chica plus room included but it is how I roll.[/QUOTE]I agree on many of your points. My concern is, I guess, if I could buy a new phone in MDE (assuming it was stolen) and activate my T-Mobile e-SIM. I think I could be ok, as I was in Panama and was able to get customer service to help me fix some things. I use a dual-SIM so that DiDi, Rappi, putas, etc. Don't have my personal cell phone number. It also helps with being able to make / receive local calls when necessary. Maybe I'm over-thinking it. Hopefully, no report to follow! Thanks to all for the responses.

I did a search of the forum and looked in a couple of other places off the forum but I can't find a lot of info about Edificio Portalegre II in Laureles. Anyone stay there and have any experiences about the place they could share?

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2564920]I agree on many of your points. My concern is, I guess, if I could buy a new phone in MDE (assuming it was stolen) and activate my T-Mobile e-SIM. I think I could be ok, as I was in Panama and was able to get customer service to help me fix some things. I use a dual-SIM so that DiDi, Rappi, putas, etc. Don't have my personal cell phone number. It also helps with being able to make / receive local calls when necessary. Maybe I'm over-thinking it. Hopefully, no report to follow! Thanks to all for the responses.[/QUOTE]And maybe AT & T and GoogleFi will allow you to remove the SIM card and put it into a international phone and it work. The one service that I know for a fact will not work after a phone crashes or breaks, is SPRINT. Thank God that T-Mobile has bought Sprint and those problems no longer occur. With T-mobile's Magenta Max plan, which is much cheaper than SPINT's best plan was, allows me to use whatsapp exclusively without ever being charged a fee due to unlimited data. The last time I was in Medellin, I did not worry about running out of data and looking for a store to top up my data, I just used my T-Mobile phone and that was it. As for burner phones, as long as the phone is unlocked and it comes from Metro-TMobile-ATandT-Cricket and the phone is older than 6 months old, you can have the phone unlocked and it will function in Medellin without a problem. As a matter of fact all American phones that function on a 4 G level, function much faster in Medellin than many of the phones you will buy in Medellin as most Colombian phones still function on a 3 G network. So if spending about $125 for a burner phone is too much, then good luck. You can always play tag with girls on facebook via computer, but if you can't leave your location with your main phone, and you do not want your main number exposed to a home life you have back where ever, you have to make some sacrifice. Nothing is complicated in Colombia other than buying property, cars, or trying to get services in your name. Everything else is very tolerable if you know what you want and you already have a game plan before arriving. Pollo Negro is out!

I use a dual SIM phone too for the past 15 years. It's a real dual SIM phone (the kind that accepts two physical SIM cards) not an iphone. There are several iphone workarounds. You will be OK, no worries.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2564920]I agree on many of your points. My concern is, I guess, if I could buy a new phone in MDE (assuming it was stolen) and activate my T-Mobile e-SIM. I think I could be ok, as I was in Panama and was able to get customer service to help me fix some things. I use a dual-SIM so that DiDi, Rappi, putas, etc. Don't have my personal cell phone number. It also helps with being able to make / receive local calls when necessary. Maybe I'm over-thinking it. Hopefully, no report to follow! Thanks to all for the responses.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2564920]I agree on many of your points. My concern is, I guess, if I could buy a new phone in MDE (assuming it was stolen) and activate my T-Mobile e-SIM. I think I could be ok, as I was in Panama and was able to get customer service to help me fix some things. I use a dual-SIM so that DiDi, Rappi, putas, etc. Don't have my personal cell phone number. It also helps with being able to make / receive local calls when necessary. Maybe I'm over-thinking it. Hopefully, no report to follow! Thanks to all for the responses.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2564959]And maybe AT & T and GoogleFi will allow you to remove the SIM card and put it into a international phone and it work. T[/QUOTE]I really like Google FI for its international coverage, going from one country to another without worrying about the rates changing but it is not meant to be activated outside of the USA and a person has to use a workaround to accomplish this:

[URL]https://graydonschwartz.com/how-to-activate-google-fi-outside-the-us/[/URL]#Google-Fi-Activation-Outside-the-United-States.

I also have read that Google means for their customers to use the service primarily in the USA and that buried in the "Terms Of Use" it says that if they determines that the usage is too extensive outside the USA than they may cut your service:

[URL]https://community.nomadgate.com/t/beware-about-google-fi-and-service-outside-the-us/15835/11[/URL]

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2564850]You guys should not change your Medellin visit outlook at the drop of the hat. Who is going to pay for my non refundable ticket and other costs I sunk in to cancelled trip, you or JohnnyO.

Just kidding! LOL.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately things have been very un-predictable in Colombia, and a lot of things kind of defy logic in a sense. Such as the protests that started a month ago wrecking havoc all over the place, and a few days ago there were protesters protesting the protesters in Bogota all wearing white, begging for the blockades and violence to stop. I hope all of this protest madness is over. I think most Colombians are very fatigued about it and it will subside until the politicians come up with another ill timed idea.

However, the elephant in the room is COVID. Right now the infections are the highest they have ever been, yet everything is being opened back up full steam ahead. Doesn't make sense to me that there not instigating any more weekend lockdowns like they did before and the ICU's are still very full.

Regardless, with Medellin being wide open with no weekend lockdowns, at least for the time being, now's the time to come and enjoy. Probably the best place to be for mongering right now on the planet, way better than Mexico, however I don't know about Brazil. And you can forget Asia, the place is toast.

Sorry you cancelled your trip.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2565131]Unfortunately things have been very un-predictable in Colombia, and a lot of things kind of defy logic in a sense. Such as the protests that started a month ago wrecking havoc all over the place, and a few days ago there were protesters protesting the protesters in Bogota all wearing white, begging for the blockades and violence to stop. I hope all of this protest madness is over. I think most Colombians are very fatigued about it and it will subside until the politicians come up with another ill timed idea.

However, the elephant in the room is COVID. Right now the infections are the highest they have ever been, yet everything is being opened back up full steam ahead. Doesn't make sense to me that there not instigating any more weekend lockdowns like they did before and the ICU's are still very full.

Regardless, with Medellin being wide open with no weekend lockdowns, at least for the time being, now's the time to come and enjoy. Probably the best place to be for mongering right now on the planet, way better than Mexico, however I don't know about Brazil. And you can forget Asia, the place is toast.

Sorry you cancelled your trip.[/QUOTE]One thing thing that makes me think. I live in a nice peaceful part of Laureles with a friendly local feel. I look out of my balcony and watch people just going about their business as well as the shops and restaurants getting ready for the days trade. I read about and saw lots of videos regarding robberies, protests and violence in Medellin but on my balcony it just looks any normal suburb in the world, but here's the thing, that normality can change in a heartbeat. In one single day I witnessed a mob running after a lunatic with a gun and all out war on the streets. Never ever let your guard down here or get complacent no matter how normal things appear to be.

I thought all the American tier 1 providers like T-Mobile and at&t have international rates of US $0. 25 or so per minute in most countries beyond the USA Probably more important is the WIFI calling feature. Modern smartphones give users world wide inbound or outbound calling at no cost beyond the monthly service fee when the phone is connected to WIFI. Last week I heard a couple of women in a restaurant comparing mobile plan costs between Canada and the USA Both mentioned they pay a daily add on fee for a lower per minute rate.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2565119]I really like Google FI for its international coverage, going from one country to another without worrying about the rates changing but it is not meant to be activated outside of the USA and a person has to use a workaround to accomplish this:

[URL]https://graydonschwartz.com/how-to-activate-google-fi-outside-the-us/[/URL]#Google-Fi-Activation-Outside-the-United-States.

I also have read that Google means for their customers to use the service primarily in the USA and that buried in the "Terms Of Use" it says that if they determines that the usage is too extensive outside the USA than they may cut your service:

[URL]https://community.nomadgate.com/t/beware-about-google-fi-and-service-outside-the-us/15835/11[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2565166]I thought all the American tier 1 providers like T-Mobile and at&t have international rates of US $0. 25 or so per minute in most countries beyond the USA Probably more important is the WIFI calling feature. Modern smartphones give users world wide inbound or outbound calling at no cost beyond the monthly service fee when the phone is connected to WIFI. Last week I heard a couple of women in a restaurant comparing mobile plan costs between Canada and the USA Both mentioned they pay a daily add on fee for a lower per minute rate.[/QUOTE]I use Verizon. For Canada they provide, at least on my plan, 0. 5 gb per day of 4 G data, calls and texts are free. An additional 0.5 gb costs $5. I'm in Toronto twice weekly and usually the 0. 5 gb is enough for each time.

In other countries pay $10 per day.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2565131]However, the elephant in the room is COVID. Right now the infections are the highest they have ever been, yet everything is being opened back up full steam ahead. Doesn't make sense to me that there not instigating any more weekend lockdowns like they did before and the ICU's are still very full.[/QUOTE]Maybe after a year of this they are realizing lockdowns are not making a difference any more than curfews. Like Covid can tell time.

Hi guys,

Some friends and I will be there in early July. Hopefully everything is opened then. If places are closed, or there are curfews, from what I've read there are some places like la Isla that remain open like usual even with curfew in effect. Is that true or am I missing something? I'd just like to know what remained open. How about a club like Gusto? During the 10-5 curfew, can you still have fun before it closes, or does it really close? I have enough info that I can have fun at my place, but I am hoping that if there are restrictions when I go, that I can still go to some places to have fun. And what about activities during the day? Like trips to Guatape? Thank you all for the posts. Everyone has been very helpful. I'll be sure to post about my adventures when I'm there next month.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2565164] but on my balcony it just looks any normal suburb in the world,[/QUOTE]It is a disguise.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2565166]I thought all the American tier 1 providers like T-Mobile and at&t have international rates of US $0. 25 or so per minute in most countries beyond the USA Probably more important is the WIFI calling feature. Modern smartphones give users world wide inbound or outbound calling at no cost beyond the monthly service fee when the phone is connected to WIFI. Last week I heard a couple of women in a restaurant comparing mobile plan costs between Canada and the USA Both mentioned they pay a daily add on fee for a lower per minute rate.[/QUOTE]Verizon charges me $10 a day for international roaming plus the 25 cents a minute voice calls. I used to just grab a SIM after I reached Colombia but one time my bank card got flagged and canceled at the airport ATM when I landed in Cartagena and I luckily had brought a laptop that had a microphone and I had some money on my Skype account and reached my bank that way but I vowed to never land without service again, so I get the $17 + $10 per GB from Google Fi and with the initial and 5 GB its $67 and I am good for three weeks easily and as long as I use WIFI every chance I get I would probably be good for a month on what Verizon would charge me for week. I would only make a voice call if I get in a bind.

My phone does have WIFI call capability. I also have the "Google Voice" app on my phone that has its own phone number that can be used to make calls on WIFI but I have never used it. I think for me the internet aspect and data is more important part in case I am out where there is no WIFI and I need to use GPS or something. Many years ago I actually had a maps app downloaded to my phone that did not need data to use the GPS (this was before Google Maps was as good as it is now), I still download the map of the area using Google Maps "my maps" to save data on the ground.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2565176]I use Verizon. For Canada they provide, at least on my plan, 0. 5 gb per day of 4 G data, calls and texts are free. An additional 0.5 gb costs $5. I'm in Toronto twice weekly and usually the 0. 5 gb is enough for each time.

In other countries pay $10 per day.[/QUOTE]I have Verizon as well but instead of paying the $ 10 per day while in Colombia I opted for a $ 40 a month International plan that gives me 100 minutes of talk time and so many text messages. I use Whatsapp so much for everything that it's cheaper to pay the $ 40 a month versus the $ 10 a day in my case being here for months at a time.

OK, my curiosity got the best of me. I checked the t-mobile website. They have several US based plans that involve no daily fee and include free WIFI calling, free unlimited 2 G data, and free texts in Colombia and many other countries. The voice rate is $0.25/ minute. I don't understand why anyone would pay $10/ day.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2565282]Verizon charges me $10 a day for international roaming plus the 25 cents a minute voice calls. I used to just grab a SIM after I reached Colombia but one time my bank card got flagged and canceled at the airport ATM when I landed in Cartagena and I luckily had brought a laptop that had a microphone and I had some money on my Skype account and reached my bank that way but I vowed to never land without service again, so I get the $17 + $10 per GB from Google Fi and with the initial and 5 GB its $67 and I am good for three weeks easily and as long as I use WIFI every chance I get I would probably be good for a month on what Verizon would charge me for week. I would only make a voice call if I get in a bind.

My phone does have WIFI call capability. I also have the "Google Voice" app on my phone that has its own phone number that can be used to make calls on WIFI but I have never used it. I think for me the internet aspect and data is more important part in case I am out where there is no WIFI and I need to use GPS or something. Many years ago I actually had a maps app downloaded to my phone that did not need data to use the GPS (this was before Google Maps was as good as it is now), I still download the map of the area using Google Maps "my maps" to save data on the ground.[/QUOTE]

Looks like Covid test will not be a requirement to get into Colombia according to el tiempo [URL]https://www.eltiempo.com/salud/colombia-ya-no-pedira-prueba-pcr-a-viajeros-593213[/URL].

[QUOTE=Kulibali;2565311]Looks like Covid test will not be a requirement to get into Colombia according to el tiempo [URL]https://www.eltiempo.com/salud/colombia-ya-no-pedira-prueba-pcr-a-viajeros-593213[/URL].[/QUOTE]LOL. Shit, I just got my Covid test done today.

Well at least, Colombia finally is starting to vaccinate everyone 50 and over, about fucking time.

[URL]https://5nrwhn4kqkghx6uyrazlu244oi-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-www-eltiempo-com.translate.goog/bogota/como-agendar-cita-de-vacunacion-contra-el-covid-19-en-bogota-593005[/URL]

Minister Ruiz said that at the moment it is in the highest part of the affectation by covid-19 and that "in no way should it be thought that the risk of covid-19 has been reduced neither by vaccination nor by the issuance of these measures".

(In addition: Third peak and unemployment further delay school alternation in Colombia) he.

Pointed out that the risk continues and that the eventuality of a fourth and fifth outbreak of covid-19 is "a reality and a perfectly feasible possibility that we will have in the future.

"However, it is important to bear in mind that economic activities cannot be reduced or stopped," Ruiz added.

I read this crap and it is no wonder people are rioting. Covid is not reduced by vaccine? Really? You finally got shutting down the economy did not stop the virus from spreading? You finally got that shutting down the economy and raising taxes was not a good idea? You finally got that testing foreigners for Covid was a waste of time and money? Finally? What took so long, Mr. Minister?

Man, the Colombian people deserve better than this clueless clown. He really is a mini Fauci.

[QUOTE=Kulibali;2565311]Looks like Covid test will not be a requirement to get into Colombia according to el tiempo [URL]https://www.eltiempo.com/salud/colombia-ya-no-pedira-prueba-pcr-a-viajeros-593213[/URL].[/QUOTE]Thanks brother. Why is this stuff not clear. I did a search and as far as I can tell the resolution is supposed to start tomorrow. No more PCR and no more of that Corona App.

El ministro de Salud, Fernando Ruiz, anunci que este jueves 3 de junio saldr la Resolucin 777 de 2021 Tambien se confirm que se eliminar la prueba PCR negativa para el ingreso a Colombia y se reiteraron las mnimas medidas de bioseguridad que hay que cumplir en esta reactivacin:

- Uso obligatorio del tapabocas de manera permanente.
- Lavado de manos frecuente.
- Mecanismos de ventilacin abierta o artificial para los espacios cerrados.
- Protocolo de limpieza y desinfeccin de todas las zonas e infraestructuras.
- Manejo de residuos.

Ruiz revel que Colombia no pedir ms el requisito de la prueba PCR a viajeros, tanto colombianos y extranjeros, que ingresen al pas. Tambin se eliminar CoronApp.

[URL]https://colombia.as.com/colombia/2021/06/03/futbol/1622682330_564304.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.portafolio.co/economia/finanzas/reactivacion-economica-en-colombia-medidas-y-condiciones-resolucion-777-de-2021-552586[/URL]

This is interesting. I was interested in a side trip outside of Colombia instead of extending my visa, basically a visa run and this has made that idea much more appealing.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2565335]Thanks brother. Why is this stuff not clear. I did a search and as far as I can tell the resolution is supposed to start tomorrow. No more PCR and no more of that Corona App.

El ministro de Salud, Fernando Ruiz, anunci que este jueves 3 de junio saldr la Resolucin 777 de 2021 Tambien se confirm que se eliminar la prueba PCR negativa para el ingreso a Colombia y se reiteraron las mnimas medidas de bioseguridad que hay que cumplir en esta reactivacin:

- Uso obligatorio del tapabocas de manera permanente.
- Lavado de manos frecuente.
- Mecanismos de ventilacin abierta o artificial para los espacios cerrados.
- Protocolo de limpieza y desinfeccin de todas las zonas e infraestructuras.
- Manejo de residuos.

Ruiz revel que Colombia no pedir ms el requisito de la prueba PCR a viajeros, tanto colombianos y extranjeros, que ingresen al pas. Tambin se eliminar CoronApp.

[URL]https://colombia.as.com/colombia/2021/06/03/futbol/1622682330_564304.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.portafolio.co/economia/finanzas/reactivacion-economica-en-colombia-medidas-y-condiciones-resolucion-777-de-2021-552586[/URL][/QUOTE]

Yesterday evening around 8. 30 I left Occidental heading for either Avenida de grill or cornejos. I spotted cops in Botero and decided to loiter around the edge to see the type of girls available at that time and a decent looking girl approached. The deal was made and she asked which hotel I wanted to go to but the problem was I don't know any around by cornejos and I was not going to go to Zona Rosa at that time.

She said she knew somewhere and then we starting heading towards Occidental and it felt real sketchy and I always prefer to take the girl to my own hotel of choice. In the end I made a deal with her to come back my place, I took a chance as I do not like taking centro randoms to my apartment but it was actually a very session and today she is bringing a friend.

So can anyone recommend decent clean rooms by cornejos not too far off the main drag. What about that place right next door to cornejos which actually leads into the club itself?

Hmmm my flight is on the 7th and my $100 Covid test is on the 5th. Now I'm not sure what to do. Do I cancel test and hope for the best or do it anyways just in case and not risk a non refundable $400 ticket.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2565335]Thanks brother. Why is this stuff not clear. I did a search and as far as I can tell the resolution is supposed to start tomorrow. No more PCR and no more of that Corona App.

El ministro de Salud, Fernando Ruiz, anunci que este jueves 3 de junio saldr la Resolucin 777 de 2021 Tambien se confirm que se eliminar la prueba PCR negativa para el ingreso a Colombia y se reiteraron las mnimas medidas de bioseguridad que hay que cumplir en esta reactivacin:

- Uso obligatorio del tapabocas de manera permanente.
- Lavado de manos frecuente.
- Mecanismos de ventilacin abierta o artificial para los espacios cerrados.
- Protocolo de limpieza y desinfeccin de todas las zonas e infraestructuras.
- Manejo de residuos.

Ruiz revel que Colombia no pedir ms el requisito de la prueba PCR a viajeros, tanto colombianos y extranjeros, que ingresen al pas. Tambin se eliminar CoronApp.

[URL]https://colombia.as.com/colombia/2021/06/03/futbol/1622682330_564304.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.portafolio.co/economia/finanzas/reactivacion-economica-en-colombia-medidas-y-condiciones-resolucion-777-de-2021-552586[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2565333]LOL. Shit, I just got my Covid test done today.[/QUOTE]Ditto! $170 for two tests in Mexico, yesterday. Typical Colombia, just a flick of the switch. Tonight we have curfew! Today we don't need PCR! Yesterday we will have rain!

Zona Rosa and the neighboring Bulevar Botero are open after dark. In fact, believe it or not, there are overnight guests on the upper floors at Bulevar Botero. Walking across Botero Plaza after dark is dodgy. Alternatives I can recommend are the short time places around Yakuza. Yakuza is in the same building as the Hotel Deseos for example. There are a few others nearby. They are more or less comparable to Zona Rosa.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2565481]Yesterday evening around 8. 30 I left Occidental heading for either Avenida de grill or cornejos. I spotted cops in Botero and decided to loiter around the edge to see the type of girls available at that time and a decent looking girl approached. The deal was made and she asked which hotel I wanted to go to but the problem was I don't know any around by cornejos and I was not going to go to Zona Rosa at that time.

She said she knew somewhere and then we starting heading towards Occidental and it felt real sketchy and I always prefer to take the girl to my own hotel of choice. In the end I made a deal with her to come back my place, I took a chance as I do not like taking centro randoms to my apartment but it was actually a very session and today she is bringing a friend.

So can anyone recommend decent clean rooms by cornejos not too far off the main drag. What about that place right next door to cornejos which actually leads into the club itself?[/QUOTE]

I am stuck in Miami for 2 weeks on a business trip.

Have a free week and will be flying in to Medellin on Saturday for 5 days.

This is my first time there and I do not speak Spanish.

Read about 20 pages of reports so I feel I am familiar with a scene.

Will go to El Centro during the daytime and hangout in Park Lleras in the evening.

If anyone on the ground can show me the ropes. Dinner / drinks on me.

Any advise / suggestions will be appreciated!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2565494]Zona Rosa and the neighboring Bulevar Botero are open after dark. In fact, believe it or not, there are overnight guests on the upper floors at Bulevar Botero. Walking across Botero Plaza after dark is dodgy. Alternatives I can recommend are the short time places around Yakuza. Yakuza is in the same building as the Hotel Deseos for example. There are a few others nearby. They are more or less comparable to Zona Rosa.[/QUOTE]Zona Rosa does have overnight rooms but only for Colombians. They are not licensed to have foreigners staying overnight there, only short time. I know this because I tried to rent a room for overnight and they told me about their license restrictions.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2565493]Ditto! $170 for two tests in Mexico, yesterday. Typical Colombia, just a flick of the switch. Tonight we have curfew! Today we don't need PCR! Yesterday we will have rain![/QUOTE]What? Thats alot of money. What tests did you take? Mine only cost me something like 260 pesos. For me it was walking distance and no lines?

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2565493]Ditto! $170 for two tests in Mexico, yesterday. Typical Colombia, just a flick of the switch. Tonight we have curfew! Today we don't need PCR! Yesterday we will have rain![/QUOTE]I must have the magic touch. Last November they cancelled the PCR test requirement right before my trip. Now it looks like I'll avoid it again.

The reality is that after more than 50 police murders of civilians over the recent weeks of protests, the govt has finally realised that no one gives a shlt about covid here. People would rather take their chances w a virus that only kills compromised and old people, than have their businesses ruined or starve to death.

Colombians want to get on with their lives, fuck the conservative over-cautious lockdowns. Yes, cases are higher than ever, and old and sick people should be cuatious. But the rest do not need to suffer.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2565131]Unfortunately things have been very un-predictable in Colombia, and a lot of things kind of defy logic in a sense. Such as the protests that started a month ago wrecking havoc all over the place, and a few days ago there were protesters protesting the protesters in Bogota all wearing white, begging for the blockades and violence to stop. I hope all of this protest madness is over. I think most Colombians are very fatigued about it and it will subside until the politicians come up with another ill timed idea.

However, the elephant in the room is COVID. Right now the infections are the highest they have ever been, yet everything is being opened back up full steam ahead. Doesn't make sense to me that there not instigating any more weekend lockdowns like they did before and the ICU's are still very full.

Regardless, with Medellin being wide open with no weekend lockdowns, at least for the time being, now's the time to come and enjoy. Probably the best place to be for mongering right now on the planet, way better than Mexico, however I don't know about Brazil. And you can forget Asia, the place is toast.

Sorry you cancelled your trip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Member#2001;2565614]What? Thats alot of money. What tests did you take? Mine only cost me something like 260 pesos. For me it was walking distance and no lines?[/QUOTE]That sounds like the wrong test. I'm also in Mexico and leaving this week for Medellin. The antigen test is cheap and results are almost instant, it sounds like that's the test you bought. You need a PCR test within 96 hours to enter. Although $2600 pesos still sounds like too much and idk why you would need 2 tests. My PCR test is costing me 2100 pesos though.

[QUOTE=JaredMark333;2565492]Hmmm my flight is on the 7th and my $100 Covid test is on the 5th. Now I'm not sure what to do. Do I cancel test and hope for the best or do it anyways just in case and not risk a non refundable $400 ticket.[/QUOTE]I'm almost in the same boat. My test is for this Sunday. I have read the web sites and it looks for no more tests to enter Colombia. The problem is when I got in touch with my airline was they knew nothing about no more tests. So I contacted 2 other airlines and they also were unaware of this.

[URL]https://apply.joinsherpa.com/travel-restrictions?affiliateid=americanairlines[/URL]

This web site also still shows the test needed as does the two embassys also. To me other than the money involved is the stress in not knowing if the test will be done in time.

[QUOTE=Member#2001;2565614]What? Thats alot of money. What tests did you take? Mine only cost me something like 260 pesos. For me it was walking distance and no lines?[/QUOTE]Actually $ 170 USD for a PCR test is what laboratory's at least in Puerto Vallarta where charging unless you got tested at the Airport and it was about half of that amount. And 260 Pesos is about $ 13 USD so perhaps you meant to say 2,600 Pesos or about $ 130 USD for a PCR test where ever you got it. Regardless, no more testing required with the PCR tset being a pain in the ass.

Hi brothers, can you please give me more info about the usual hotel policy about guests coming to your room? If you book a room for 2 persons. Do they charge something if you bring girl to the hotel room? Usually I book apartments and I have no such worries but strangely I can not find an apartment in Medellin that fits my needs and pocket at the same time. And the hotels offers that on a much better price. Usually it's the opposite.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2565735]Hi brothers, can you please give me more info about the usual hotel policy about guests coming to your room? If you book a room for 2 persons. Do they charge something if you bring girl to the hotel room? Usually I book apartments and I have no such worries but strangely I can not find an apartment in Medellin that fits my needs and pocket at the same time. And the hotels offers that on a much better price. Usually it's the opposite.[/QUOTE]If you can get it, book the hotel haven. You can bring in unlimited guests as long as you bring them in one at a time.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2565735]Hi brothers, can you please give me more info about the usual hotel policy about guests coming to your room? If you book a room for 2 persons. Do they charge something if you bring girl to the hotel room? Usually I book apartments and I have no such worries but strangely I can not find an apartment in Medellin that fits my needs and pocket at the same time. And the hotels offers that on a much better price. Usually it's the opposite.[/QUOTE]

Check this thread....

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2654-Medellin-Hotels-and-Rental-Apartments[/URL]

I checked it but can not find info about places that I'm interested. I'm thinking about one of these:

- Hotel Park 10.

- Cafe Hotel Medellin.

- 14 Urban Hotel.

- Manila Hotel Boutique.

- Leblon Suites Hotel.

- Soy Local.

Does anyone have experience with them or heard reviews?

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2565735]Hi brothers, can you please give me more info about the usual hotel policy about guests coming to your room? If you book a room for 2 persons. Do they charge something if you bring girl to the hotel room? Usually I book apartments and I have no such worries but strangely I can not find an apartment in Medellin that fits my needs and pocket at the same time. And the hotels offers that on a much better price. Usually it's the opposite.[/QUOTE]The policy varies with each hotel. Some will only allow the person's registered to the room. Some only allow a certain number of visitors. Some charge for each guest.

If you prefer an apartment in the Poblado area search for Lifeafar investments. They have a lot of apartments with a wide range of prices and you can ask about the guest policy for each without embarrassment.

You can also search for San Peter apartments. They are in Laureles and allow guests with no extra charges.

I choose a hotel that does not charge a girl fee as long as you book for two. Location is key. Personally I like the Provenza area. Lleras is a bit too loud for me and Manila is too far. I stay at Provenza lofts (when I am in a budget mode) or Haven hotel when I am in the mood for a bit more luxury and when I plan to entertain some classier guests. He he. I shared their Penthouse suite with some friends and it is arguably the best Penthouse in a hotel in Medellin. The views and multiple jacuzzis are pretty cool.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2565763]I checked it but can not find info about places that I'm interested. I'm thinking about one of these:

- Hotel Park 10.

- Cafe Hotel Medellin.

- 14 Urban Hotel.

- Manila Hotel Boutique.

- Leblon Suites Hotel.

- Soy Local.

Does anyone have experience with them or heard reviews?[/QUOTE]

Ok Dr. Fauci. What are you actually talking about? Sitting here in Cartagena hanging right now looking at the window and everybody on the beach having a great time and people in restaurants and all the rest it's just so much more propaganda you're putting out variants and all the other hysteria, give it a break none of the stuff works, lock downs, etc he disease is going to run its course it's unfortunate but it is what it is. Wait to the flu season comes and everybody dies next year ---you going to have all your panties at a bunch about that too aren't you? Colombia is not going back......


[QUOTE=Zeos1;2565677]Once you remove the old and the compromised then the young and the uncompromised are the ones in intensive care. We've been experiencing that in the last 6 to 8 weeks, and its finally dropping again as we are have 60 plus percent with vaccinations. Our cases had become mostly the British variant, rapidly moving to the Indian variant. Both are a lot more contagious (read more airborne probably). And while a lot of the young people on respirators eventually recovered it was a very very tough time. With enough deaths as well.

I saw reports from Vegas in the last few days. Back to normal. Hate to throw rain on the parade. But with 30 to 50% of the people there not vaccinated (assuming the normal mix for the US) and if the variants are present there, there will be lots of Covid still to come.

As for Colombia. Terrrible dilemma and situation. On that I think we agree. The lockdowns and measures to stop these variants will be virtually impossible to follow in a place like that.[/QUOTE]

LMFAO! "Dr. Fauci" that was a good one. There are a few guys during the height of the quarantine that caused a pile of threads to get moved to another area on this website. The prevailing theme was something along the lines of everything is going to die and there will be nothing left except a few coronavirus infected cockroaches. In was a fascinating study in human nature. People dealt with the quarantine and the uncertainty of the pandemic in wildly varying ways. Doomsday scenario insistence was one of them.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2565867]Ok Dr. Fauci. What are you actually talking about? Sitting here in Cartagena hanging right now looking at the window and everybody on the beach having a great time and people in restaurants and all the rest it's just so much more propaganda you're putting out variants and all the other hysteria, give it a break none of the stuff works, lock downs, etc he disease is going to run its course it's unfortunate but it is what it is. Wait to the flu season comes and everybody dies next year ---you going to have all your panties at a bunch about that too aren't you? Colombia is not going back......[/QUOTE]

Manila is far away from what?

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2565777]I choose a hotel that does not charge a girl fee as long as you book for two. Location is key. Personally I like the Provenza area. Lleras is a bit too loud for me and Manila is too far. I stay at Provenza lofts (when I am in a budget mode) or Haven hotel when I am in the mood for a bit more luxury and when I plan to entertain some classier guests. He he. I shared their Penthouse suite with some friends and it is arguably the best Penthouse in a hotel in Medellin. The views and multiple jacuzzis are pretty cool.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, this is good intel. I don't have a lot of hotel experience here, at least not overnight hotel experience LOL! I'm going to remember this so I don't steer anyone wrong in the future.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2565595]Zona Rosa does have overnight rooms but only for Colombians. They are not licensed to have foreigners staying overnight there, only short time. I know this because I tried to rent a room for overnight and they told me about their license restrictions.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2565769]The policy varies with each hotel. Some will only allow the person's registered to the room. Some only allow a certain number of visitors. Some charge for each guest.

If you prefer an apartment in the Poblado area search for Lifeafar investments. They have a lot of apartments with a wide range of prices and you can ask about the guest policy for each without embarrassment.

You can also search for San Peter apartments. They are in Laureles and allow guests with no extra charges.[/QUOTE]Actually life a f a are does not exist anymore they ripped everybody off look under l I v and contact them for apartments.

They have furnished nice apartments all over Medellin.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2565867] the disease is going to run its course it's unfortunate but it is what it is.[/QUOTE]The goal has always been to minimize lose of life until vaccines could be developed and distributed. That's what has brought about the recent successes in the states, not the disease running it's course. And vaccinations are on the increase in Colombia which is excellent. The goal of restrictions as of late has always been to keep hospital ICUs from overflowing. Yes those measures have worked for that purpose, both recently and historically.

Posts on this thread suggest that the Marriott is sometimes guest friendly, sometimes not, YMMV. Any tips for making it more so, or intel on how it's been dealing with the issue recently? I will likely stay there for my coming trip. I do have Titanium status, not sure if that will help, and can bring some small gifts for security.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2565873]The prevailing theme was something along the lines of everything is going to die and there will be nothing left except a few coronavirus infected cockroaches. [/QUOTE]Somehow I missed all those posts. Many of us though wanted to take precautions and preserve life while vaccines were developed. The present successes in the states are encouraging to say the least, and we are expanding vaccine distributions to other nations.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2565867]Ok Dr. Fauci. ...etc he disease is going to run its course it's unfortunate but it is what it is. ...[/QUOTE]It's never going to "run its course" because RNA viruses are orders of magnitude more mutagenic than DNA viruses. This post should be in the Grease Trap (American Politics) forum.

+1.

The Colombian people are not complying with the distance policy.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2565919]The goal has always been to minimize lose of life until vaccines could be developed and distributed. That's what has brought about the recent successes in the states, not the disease running it's course. And vaccinations are on the increase in Colombia which is excellent. The goal of restrictions as of late has always been to keep hospital ICUs from overflowing. Yes those measures have worked for that purpose, both recently and historically.[/QUOTE]

Basically pre pandemia but w masks on chin.

Vennies charging 25 k, and theyre not bad. Sessioned with 3 this am, finished with 2. 25 k each room 6 k. Flacas, early 20's cute face. Buyers market. most girls charging 30 + room but i sure you can get that included

In theory you could smash 500 girls a year at this price for a total of 5-6 k usd. Candyland.

Botero and verazcruz packed, real talent around raudul hiding inn hallways, flacas not those operated freaks;) ... charging 50 k for 30 min room 11 k. I'm sure you can do 50 k total. Model type chicas.

pretty much back to normal. checking out clubs later

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2565939]It's never going to "run its course" because RNA viruses are orders of magnitude more mutagenic than DNA viruses.[/QUOTE]LOL. When they are created in nature, that is true. This one was man made, and the variants have been nowhere near as diverse as ones created by nature.

Read these two articles instead of watching MSNBC. They are non-partisan and you might actually learn something.

This article is a blister rebuttal of the Lancet piece where the authors claimed the virus was made by nature.

[URL]https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/03/19/china-owns-nature-magazines-ass-debunking-the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2-claiming-covid-19-wasnt-from-a-lab/[/URL]

Lancet Article: For a precursor virus to acquire both the polybasic cleavage site and mutations in the spike protein suitable for binding to human ACE2, an animal host would probably have to have a high population density (to allow natural selection to proceed efficiently) and an ACE2-encoding gene that is similar to the human ortholog.

Rebuttal: Wait, wait, wait! You mean exactly like a bunch of ferrets or tree shrews, both of which have the same ACE2 receptor as humans, all jammed into a bunch of cages together and then infected over and over again in a lab?! That's crazy talk!!

Rebuttal: As we've explained before, there was no trace of this virus before November 2019, and full zoonotic jumps don't just magically happen, especially not of a virus that's so incredibly adapted to humans and able to infect us undetected and spread undetected, and then kill us after more than enough time has passed to find multiple new hosts.

Point is JC you can throw the book out on what RNA viruses have done in the past.

This more recent article actually is what changed everyone's opinion on the lab leak hypothesis:

[URL]https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038[/URL]

Given what the vaccines target, I expect them to offer up immunity for a long time.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2565875]Manila is far away from what?[/QUOTE]To walk from restaurant zone and zona rosa, which is where I like to hang out. Everyone is different. I prefer to walk. I minimize use of taxis and don't like dealing with traffic. I do like some restaurants in Manila and find myself taking a taxi / Uber there. I just don't like staying there.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2564871]I'm so fucking excited to be going back! I've added about 100 WA contacts from SA in the last 2 months, since leaving. Looking forward to newbies & repeats, alike!

I'm kind of writing-off my first week, as it's just filler until I move into my long-term apartment. I'm considering staying in Envigado, just for a change of pace. Anyone stayed there and have a recommendation as to any smaller pockets that are good areas to be, or any specific apartments? I'd prefer to be by La Calle de la Buena Mesa (CL 30 Sur). Any restaurant or bar recommendations in the immediate area?[/QUOTE]I can't remember the name, but the restaurant at the northwest corner of Buena Mesa is good. Just north of that Jack and Roll has the best burgers in Medellin. However, for burgers go a couple blocks north on Avenida Poblado and you'll find Classic Diner, a 50's style burger joint. Pretty cool place.

A bit further north is Salpijugos. Lots of great food and smoothie options there. Down on Avenida Las Vegas check out LOS Contenedores. Several good restaurants there, Milagros, a Sushi place and a pizza place among others. Nice little area.

There's also the new Viva mall. All kinds of restaurant options there.

Since when is MSNBC non-partisan? Jejeejej.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2565957]LOL. When they are created in nature, that is true. This one was man made, and the variants have been nowhere near as diverse as ones created by nature.

Read these two articles instead of watching MSNBC. They are non-partisan and you might actually learn something.

This article is a blister rebuttal of the Lancet piece where the authors claimed the virus was made by nature.

[URL]https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/03/19/china-owns-nature-magazines-ass-debunking-the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2-claiming-covid-19-wasnt-from-a-lab/[/URL]

Lancet Article: For a precursor virus to acquire both the polybasic cleavage site and mutations in the spike protein suitable for binding to human ACE2, an animal host would probably have to have a high population density (to allow natural selection to proceed efficiently) and an ACE2-encoding gene that is similar to the human ortholog..[/QUOTE]

I've been in El Centro every day this week, typically in the morning and late afternoons. I usually do one in the morning and one in the afternoon and go swimming in between. This week I have noticed more and more girls all over the place. They are under the METRO, around all the statues, the park adjacent to the Mueseum, the walkway alongside the Church, and lurking everywhere in addition to the backside of the Church with all the bars.

On Friday I arrived at 3 PM and stayed until 8 PM. The peak of girls was around 5 PM, there was easily three hundred out, not even counting the street on the backside of the Church, and I didn't even check out La Grief or Raudual to see what was going on. And some of the girls where like in "packs" of two to five girls making laps, and lots of very young ones.

And now things are only going to get worse which is a good thing since they have opened the border with Venezuela. My bet is there will be many more arrivals. And I have begun to notice a lot of prettier and thinner girls working then ever before. There used to be so many grotesque and fat Venezuleans and now the "A" team has started to arrive. And a lot more gringos have arrived as well. Since the lifting of the weekend lockdowns and the testing requirement, there's going to be an onslaught of them in the weeks to come.

Initial asking price from just about all is 30 K which is just a starting number. I have seen lots of the same girls out this week who have been there as early as 9 Am and still out at 7 PM, but it tapers off quickly after that. There are so many whom are very desperate for clients. I just don't see that many of these girls getting pulled. So basically you can have the pick of the liter these days.

And it was so packed at 5 PM at ground zero today it almost felt like being at Nana PLaza in Bangkok. May sound odd to some, and I can't wait till Thailand opens back up.

And with Asia in the shitter right now, I don't think there is a better mongering venue on the planet for SW's like in Medellin which I have said on many occasions lately.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2565639]I'm almost in the same boat. My test is for this Sunday. I have read the web sites and it looks for no more tests to enter Colombia. The problem is when I got in touch with my airline was they knew nothing about no more tests. So I contacted 2 other airlines and they also were unaware of this.

[URL]https://apply.joinsherpa.com/travel-restrictions?affiliateid=americanairlines[/URL]

This web site also still shows the test needed as does the two embassys also. To me other than the money involved is the stress in not knowing if the test will be done in time.[/QUOTE]I read on the news that Colombia will stop the PCR requirements for travelers in July.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2566016]I read on the news that Colombia will stop the PCR requirements for travelers in July.[/QUOTE]Can you provide us with that new source? Because that says July, I've been seeing June.

This report is from 2 days ago.

[URL]https://confidencialcolombia.com/lo-mas-confidencial/conozca-la-resolucion-777-con-la-que-colombia-busca-regresar-a-la-normalidad/2021/06/03/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2565919]The goal has always been to minimize lose of life until vaccines could be developed and distributed. That's what has brought about the recent successes in the states, not the disease running it's course. And vaccinations are on the increase in Colombia which is excellent. The goal of restrictions as of late has always been to keep hospital ICUs from overflowing. Yes those measures have worked for that purpose, both recently and historically.[/QUOTE]Yup, California tied the covid restriction tiers to ICU capacity by region. It helped drive down cases and things have been returning to normal.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2565945]Basically pre pandemia but w masks on chin.

Vennies charging 25 k, and theyre not bad. Sessioned with 3 this am, finished with 2. 25 k each room 6 k. Flacas, early 20's cute face. Buyers market. most girls charging 30 + room but i sure you can get that included

In theory you could smash 500 girls a year at this price for a total of 5-6 k usd. Candyland.

Botero and verazcruz packed, real talent around raudul hiding inn hallways, flacas not those operated freaks;) ... charging 50 k for 30 min room 11 k. I'm sure you can do 50 k total. Model type chicas.

pretty much back to normal. checking out clubs later[/QUOTE]Please check out La Isla and Gusto.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2565919]The goal has always been to minimize lose of life until vaccines could be developed and distributed. That's what has brought about the recent successes in the states, not the disease running it's course. And vaccinations are on the increase in Colombia which is excellent. The goal of restrictions as of late has always been to keep hospital ICUs from overflowing. Yes those measures have worked for that purpose, both recently and historically.[/QUOTE]Now it is vaccines? I thought lockdowns where you force people to stay indoors where the virus was spread was going to fix everything. Moving the goal posts again Cuomo?

Say it again Paulie. Say the governor of New York did a great job with the virus. I need the laugh.

I have found 4 airlines so far that are reporting that there is no test requirement to enter Colombia: Spirit, Copa, Jet Blue and Avianca. American Airlines is redirecting some website called "Sherpa" and it still has the test requirement on there.

Mr E just posted an image in the Bogota thread showing that Delta is also showing no test requirement

Unfortunately the Embassy website is running behind but I should think that the airlines matter more since they are the gatekeepers.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2566105]I have found 4 airlines so far that are reporting that there is no test requirement to enter Colombia: Spirit, Copa, Jet Blue and Avianca. American Airlines is redirecting some website called "Sherpa" and it still has the test requirement on there.

Mr E just posted an image in the Bogota thread showing that Delta is also showing no test requirement

Unfortunately the Embassy website is running behind but I should think that the airlines matter more since they are the gatekeepers.[/QUOTE]A friend just bought a ticket on United, no test required. The invasion of the Gringos and Europeans has already begun, and they will be coming down in boatloads now that the Country has dropped it's testing requirement.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2566070]Please check out La Isla and Gusto.[/QUOTE]Was in lleras last night to check it out, everything is open. walked by gustos around 8, lots of staff waiting around, i guess it gets packed later on.
didn't go in ....but plenty of girls in the park quoting 250-300 k, not sure if they would go lower, already finished three times yesterday, not interested in smashing was just having a few drinks and seeing the scene.

I chuckled to myself, because I saw a girl there that I saw in centro earlier that day. These same girls get dolled up and go to the gringos there for the big bux. Lost track of how many times I heard english spoken around me.

To be clear, this is NOT a knock on what people are willing to pay, who gives a sh*t. Just found it funny they upcharge like that. The taxi laughed when I told him, he said that's why he works poblado too.

Unfortunatly, the scene is still shit for non-pros, who wear one or two masks everywhere they go, masks, malls, etc.. Sure, you can ask them to pull it down, but I think why all the effort when I can just go pay 30 k for a hard 7 20 yearold spinner in veracruz. i cannot understate how many girls there are right now, literally 100 at least like surfer said

I also saw stats that 0. 1% of infections came from open spaces. So all this mask wearing outside was just a load of garbage, as I suspected. And all those that complained about people not following protocols. Well those protocols were wrong.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566091]Now it is vaccines? I thought lockdowns where you force people to stay indoors where the virus was spread was going to fix everything. Moving the goal posts again Cuomo?

Say it again Paulie. Say the governor of New York did a great job with the virus. I need the laugh.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2566013]I've been in El Centro every day this week, typically in the morning and late afternoons. I usually do one in the morning and one in the afternoon and go swimming in between. This week I have noticed more and more girls all over the place. They are under the METRO, around all the statues, the park adjacent to the Mueseum, the walkway alongside the Church, and lurking everywhere in addition to the backside of the Church with all the bars.

On Friday I arrived at 3 PM and stayed until 8 PM. The peak of girls was around 5 PM, there was easily three hundred out, not even counting the street on the backside of the Church, and I didn't even check out La Grief or Raudual to see what was going on. And some of the girls where like in "packs" of two to five girls making laps, and lots of very young ones.

And now things are only going to get worse which is a good thing since they have opened the border with Venezuela. My bet is there will be many more arrivals. And I have begun to notice a lot of prettier and thinner girls working then ever before. There used to be so many grotesque and fat Venezuleans and now the "A" team has started to arrive. And a lot more gringos have arrived as well. Since the lifting of the weekend lockdowns and the testing requirement, there's going to be an onslaught of them in the weeks to come..[/QUOTE]I spent 60 nites in nana in 2019,3 floors of bars maybe 1000 or 1500 chicas on a packed night (maybe 10% Lb bars) now Soi Cowboy, I'm guessing at least 20 or 30% Lbs?

Not to mention the zillions of freelance Lbs just meters away on Sukumvit.

In any case not so fast back to Nana.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/05/world/asia/thailand-covid-clubs.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage[/URL]

Enjoy El Centro.

Flew in from Cancun, yesterday...

- Taxi dropped us at the wrong terminal.

- Taxi didn't have change.

- Line of 300 people for security in Cancun, many of whom still had to do the health form and did not find out until the front of the line that it was required or how to find it. It boggles my mind that they don't have a single staff member cruising the lines with a QR code to help explain and expedite the process.

- Everyone in the check-in line was pissed off, doing the Check Mig Form, weighing bags, smashing carry-ONS into the measure cube.

- I had already done my Check Mig, but could not select Colombia for my gal, and they said she needs to do it. The form wasn't working and the airport wifi sucked. Finally, the manager said take a screen shot of the error and show it when you arrive.

- The check-in agent charged me $170 for 2 bags being a combined 10kg overweight. I literally didn't even look at the receipt until we got on the plane, because I was already so annoyed I knew I would blow a gasket. It was some fucking crazy energy with a father sitting on the baggage scale, other people yelling about God knows what.

- They said I couldn't board without an outbound flight ticket. I told them I've gone to Colombia 10 times and never needed one, and that the Colombians can make their own decision if I can enter. I'd be happy to buy a flight on my phone upon arrival if it were to become and issue. Manager didn't help one bit, and I had to buy a $500+ roundtrip back to the US for August, which I was already planning to do at some point.

- We had seats 8A & 8C, the flight attendants start moving everyone from the front to their real seats. We were sitting in 6D & 6 , so us moving back 3 feet must have had an enormous effect on the weight distribution for takeoff. Then, they come back and ask us to move to row 27. I said, "OK but we can move back after take-off, right?" (I didn't want to be the last gringo in the immigration line. She says no. So, I went and sat in the jump seat. Such a fucking annoying 2 hours. I ended up moving back up to row 8 as they prepared for landing, and immigration took about 30 seconds as I was the first gringo in line.

- Traffic sucked around 7 p to Envigado, as predicted.


*No PCR Required / No Check Mig / No Proof of Outbound Flight* (This is not to say you shouldn't do Check Mig or have an outbound flight, just that I wasn't asked for either).


My small 1-bedroom is decent, brand new remodel, really nice location, and I like the local vibe. Pinky tried to take the 11p bus to go see her family, but it was full. So she had to Uber back and forth, then take the 930a. I'm looking forward to meeting up with some new chicas, and maybe a couple repeats, but today is strictly for getting wasted. It's kind of weird seeing all the masks, after being in Mexico, but no one was giving me dagger-eyes when I was walking around town with mine in my hand. If you haven't stayed in Envigado, I would recommend giving it a chance. Especially, if you're considering moving to Medellin and don't know where you want to live.


Cheers.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2566211]*No PCR Required / No Check Mig / No Proof of Outbound Flight* (This is not to say you shouldn't do Check Mig or have an outbound flight, just that I wasn't asked for either).[/QUOTE]After you do checkmig online it is showing in the immigration system. After they scan your passport they can already see it so there is no need to ask.

Just a quick confirm that centro is in full swings, at least a hundred girls in botero / veracruz / raudaul, tons of sexy ones too.

Picked this 19 yo venni flaca with natural dd and a pretty face by the clear walkway, yessica. She was moaning the whole time saying my dick was too big. Probably because she's only like 5 ft, I'm no swinger hahaha.

Lube really helps guys, trust me go buy it. I started laughing after because she said she leave centro at 17:00, cleans up, puts on a tight dress and heavy makeup and goes to parque lleras. She showed me pics and she was like a diff girl, hard 8. Said she charges gringos 200 k for one leche, lowest she goes is 150 k. i just paid 30k +7k room..lol.
She likes it because she said the viejos can't get hard so they just want her to get naked hahaah. Now that's a smart puta!

Demonstrations last night but everything is pretty safe, people are pretty tired of the protests. It's mostly college antifa type people now, not the whole population like during el paro.

Cheers.

Jw.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2566163]Was in lleras last night to check it out, everything is open. walked by gustos around 8, lots of staff waiting around, i guess it gets packed later on.
didn't go in ....but plenty of girls in the park quoting 250-300 k, not sure if they would go lower, already finished three times yesterday, not interested in smashing was just having a few drinks and seeing the scene.

I chuckled to myself, because I saw a girl there that I saw in centro earlier that day. These same girls get dolled up and go to the gringos there for the big bux. Lost track of how many times I heard english spoken around me.

To be clear, this is NOT a knock on what people are willing to pay, who gives a sh*t. Just found it funny they upcharge like that. The taxi laughed when I told him, he said that's why he works poblado too.

Unfortunatly, the scene is still shit for non-pros, who wear one or two masks everywhere they go, masks, malls, etc.. Sure, you can ask them to pull it down, but I think why all the effort when I can just go pay 30 k for a hard 7 20 yearold spinner in veracruz. i cannot understate how many girls there are right now, literally 100 at least like surfer said[/QUOTE]Thanks. The girls inside the clubs charge a bit more, but they tend to be hotter. But 8+ is good enough for me, thanks for the report.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2566211]Flew in from Cancun, yesterday...

- Taxi dropped us at the wrong terminal.

- Taxi didn't have change.

- Line of 300 people for security in Cancun, many of whom still had to do the health form and did not find out until the front of the line that it was required or how to find it. It boggles my mind that they don't have a single staff member cruising the lines with a QR code to help explain and expedite the process.

- Everyone in the check-in line was pissed off, doing the Check Mig Form, weighing bags, smashing carry-ONS into the measure cube.

- I had already done my Check Mig, but could not select Colombia for my gal, and they said she needs to do it. The form wasn't working and the airport wifi sucked. Finally, the manager said take a screen shot of the error and show it when you arrive.

- The check-in agent charged me $170 for 2 bags being a combined 10kg overweight. I literally didn't even look at the receipt until we got on the plane, because I was already so annoyed I knew I would blow a gasket. It was some fucking crazy energy with a father sitting on the baggage scale, other people yelling about God knows what..[/QUOTE]It would be helpful to know which airline you were flying. I came back from Puerto Vallarta two weeks ago on Aeromexico with no bullshit whatsoever. They checked all my paperwork in PV, had signs with instructions on how to get the QR code to leave Mexico all organized, and didn't even ask about whether I had a return ticket which I didn't. Also, I have flown on Jeblue and they have never asked. However I have had COPA and Avianca ask about a return ticket.

So besides the return ticket issue, the airline sounded like a fucking mess so who were they so they can be avoided.

Oh, and welcome back, your past Penthouse / Jacuzzi follies and photos with all your Barbie Dolls are always a sight to see as lot of guys drool over them, but not me. LOL.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2566254]Just a quick confirm that centro is in full swings, at least a hundred girls in botero / veracruz / raudaul, tons of sexy ones too.

Picked this 19 yo venni flaca with natural dd and a pretty face by the clear walkway, yessica. She was moaning the whole time saying my dick was too big. Probably because she's only like 5 ft, I'm no swinger hahaha.

Lube really helps guys, trust me go buy it. I started laughing after because she said she leave centro at 17:00, cleans up, puts on a tight dress and heavy makeup and goes to parque lleras. She showed me pics and she was like a diff girl, hard 8. Said she charges gringos 200 k for one leche, lowest she goes is 150 k. i just paid 30k +7k room..lol.
She likes it because she said the viejos can't get hard so they just want her to get naked hahaah. Now that's a smart puta!

Demonstrations last night but everything is pretty safe, people are pretty tired of the protests. It's mostly college antifa type people now, not the whole population like during el paro.

Cheers.

Jw.[/QUOTE]You're an inspiration for us Centro mongers LOL. I dunno bro, I'm on my way to Col on the 26th of this month, buying ticket later today and thinking Cartagena since I haven't been there a while, but damn Mde is calling me back. Last Dec was when I went there last and things were just about to close from 12 a to 10 p. Now that they're reopening not sure where I should be at and your story is def calling me back there man. I miss the young innocent centro beauties for $8 LMAO.

The "Sherpa" website the shows up when I check American Airlines travel destinations requirements is now showing not test required.

[URL]https://apply.joinsherpa.com/travel-restrictions?affiliateId=americanairlines[/URL]

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2566254]Just a quick confirm that centro is in full swings, at least a hundred girls in botero / veracruz / raudaul, tons of sexy ones too.
i just paid 30k +7k room..lol.

Jw.[/QUOTE]Is it possible to take the girl to your hotel? I just don't' like these short time places. I prefer "my" place. And not to rush. I'm thinking for something like "let's go to my hotel, take that 30 k x 2 and let's take it slow and easy".

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2566163]I chuckled to myself, because I saw a girl there (Lleras) that I saw in centro earlier that day. These same girls get dolled up and go to the gringos there for the big bux. Lost track of how many times I heard English spoken around me.

To be clear, this is not a knock on what people are willing to pay, who gives a sh*t. Just found it funny they upcharge like that. The taxi laughed when I told him, he said that's why he works poblado too.[/QUOTE]Same girls, ten times the price. Is the same when comparing the Centro strip clubs to the "high end" ones near El Pablado. The girls are all from the same neighborhoods. Many started out in Centro then moved up for the better payday.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2566292]Is it possible to take the girl to your hotel? I just don't' like these short time places. I prefer "my" place. And not to rush. I'm thinking for something like "let's go to my hotel, take that 30 k x 2 and let's take it slow and easy".[/QUOTE]Sure, but the price may depend on where your hotel is. If it's in Centro or close by, she'll be happy with that 30 k X 2 and yes you'll have more time. If you're staying in Poblado, she'll likely want more. Personally, I would test them out in one of the short time places for 30 k. Then if you get along, invite them to your hotel / apartment. Test drives IMO make a ton of sense.

Whats up guys! This Medellin thread is massive and I've searched about 100 pages and figured I would just throw this out there!

Best budget hotel near El Centro. Like $20 to $30 a night range.

Thanks!

Can't wait to visit!

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2566292]Is it possible to take the girl to your hotel? I just don't' like these short time places. I prefer "my" place. And not to rush. I'm thinking for something like "let's go to my hotel, take that 30 k x 2 and let's take it slow and easy".[/QUOTE]Yea for sure, I never do that though, go back and read pollo negros posts or dm him, I remember that was his M. O.

And slapshot, yea plenty of hot girls 8+. Seems pretty much back to normal, confirmed that clubs open till at least 2 am.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2566299]Same girls, ten times the price. Is the same when comparing the Centro strip clubs to the "high end" ones near El Pablado. The girls are all from the same neighborhoods. Many started out in Centro then moved up for the better payday.[/QUOTE]This photo is from Saturday night taken in Parque Lleras a friend of mine sent me. I know one of the girls in the photo and go with her from time to time and always meet her in El Centro.

There are no specific neighborhood (s) from which the girls who have worked in El Centro come from that also work in Lleras, and they come from all over Medellin, and not any specific barrios.

The common denominator of the girls working Lleras though is that they have to have "game" to work Lleras.

The notion that a Centro Chica can just get dolled up and boom their going to get 200 K versus 30 K working Lleras is a bit of an illusion.

Most Centro Chicas have little to no experience with foreigners, and would grapple with snaring a gringo in Lleras while the Chicas with "game" will be much more adept at snagging clients.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2566147]A friend just bought a ticket on United, no test required. The invasion of the Gringos and Europeans has already begun, and they will be coming down in boatloads now that the Country has dropped it's testing requirement.[/QUOTE]Well you can strike Europeans of your list since it is still really complicated for us to get in and out of there and that is why I left on a one way ticket. We can't even travel to the US because of the presidential proclamation and as Colombia is still on a red list it means hotel quarantine on return at a cost of over 2000 euros.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2566254]Just a quick confirm that centro is in full swings, at least a hundred girls in botero / veracruz / raudaul, tons of sexy ones too.

Picked this 19 yo venni flaca with natural dd and a pretty face by the clear walkway, yessica. She was moaning the whole time saying my dick was too big. Probably because she's only like 5 ft, I'm no swinger hahaha.

Lube really helps guys, trust me go buy it. I started laughing after because she said she leave centro at 17:00, cleans up, puts on a tight dress and heavy makeup and goes to parque lleras. She showed me pics and she was like a diff girl, hard 8. Said she charges gringos 200 k for one leche, lowest she goes is 150 k. i just paid 30k +7k room..lol.
She likes it because she said the viejos can't get hard so they just want her to get naked hahaah. Now that's a smart puta!

Demonstrations last night but everything is pretty safe, people are pretty tired of the protests. It's mostly college antifa type people now, not the whole population like during el paro.

Cheers.

Jw.[/QUOTE]I went to Lleras for the first time the other night just to see it and as someone else said I heard lots of English around me. Definitely not my scene these type of gringo places, but honestly some really stunning girls walking around. Got quoted 200-300 k and they would absolutely not budge on that, I chuckled to myself. The other day I had 2 girls at my place for 2 hours for 200 k total. Got the number of 2 girls and the next day they were still not budging on price. They wanted to know why I wanted to pay less and I tried to explain to them I do not want to pay them little money but I am just not paying Poblado prices because I don't need to.

Also I had a centro girl at my place the other day and she told me she does 3 or 4 days in Lleras as well as centro LOL.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2566292]Is it possible to take the girl to your hotel? I just don't' like these short time places. I prefer "my" place. And not to rush. I'm thinking for something like "let's go to my hotel, take that 30 k x 2 and let's take it slow and easy".[/QUOTE]This is something I would advise against. As I was told by many veterans here most of these girls have never left centro as it is their natural habitat and a lot will not want to leave with you.

Honestly a lot of these are just cheap ho's and it takes a bit of hunting to find the gems. I've had a few centro girls here the last few days and honestly I cannot believe how uncivilised some of them are, putting out cigarettes on a wooden table, ash on the floor, needing drugs etc. I spent an hour cleaning up my apartment afterwards.

Thats why it works so well on the ground there, you pay cheap and if she's useless you've lost nothing really, if someone has potential then get their number and take them to your own hotel but taking a centro girl straight to your place without testing IMHO is madness.

At Slapshot on my way here I rented an airline ticket just as a precaution as I had issues with one way tickets before. They cost around $20, a few companies do them and the booking number shows up as a live booking on the airlines website.

I left Lleras around 12, last night. When we got back into Envigado, I told the taxi driver I needed to pull out cash to pay him (normally I would take DiDi / Uber but it was slow and a cab was readily available). We went to the gas station, but the guy had been using my cell on the dash for the map, and he took off. The gas station says I can talk to some one about video on Tuesday. The police say go to Fiscalia, which is not open today. My last back up was April 15. I can't access WhatsApp on my computer, nor can I mark my phone as lost on icloud. What a day!

I fucking knew this bullshit would happen.

If anyone has specific advice regarding what to do, or if I were to buy a new phone, how to activate e-SIM with T-mobile, etc. , it would be greatly appreciated if you give me the short version.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2566283]It would be helpful to know which airline you were flying. I came back from Puerto Vallarta two weeks ago on Aeromexico with no bullshit whatsoever. They checked all my paperwork in PV, had signs with instructions on how to get the QR code to leave Mexico all organized, and didn't even ask about whether I had a return ticket which I didn't. Also, I have flown on Jeblue and they have never asked. However I have had COPA and Avianca ask about a return ticket.

So besides the return ticket issue, the airline sounded like a fucking mess so who were they so they can be avoided.

Oh, and welcome back, your past Penthouse / Jacuzzi follies and photos with all your Barbie Dolls are always a sight to see as lot of guys drool over them, but not me. LOL.[/QUOTE]VIVA AIR or VIVA Airbus or some bullshit. Yellow and green logo.

I respect all types of mongering. Whether it's centro or poblado or strip clubs to casas.

But stop with this misleading information.

Yes on occasion you'll see a centro girl try her luck in Poblado.

But you're not going to see a hardened Poblado girl take 30 k to sell her pussy.

She'll start at 200 usd and might work her way to 200 mil if she's desperate.

Centro girls don't work their way up to La Isla. Maybe it has happened on rare occasions but it doesn't work that way.

The higher end girls work at La Isla right now. It's wall to wall packed on weekends because they can be open past curfew hours.

They do not just let any girl walk in there to work.

Look guys whichever way you monger is your business.

If I sat here and tried to make fun of the guy spending more than me on the same girl, do you think that person is going to care?? He's in a position not to care.

It amazes me how misleading some information can be.

Just because you saw a handful of centro girls in poblado doesn't mean it's a regular occurrence. There's more drug addicts and fat girls in centro and you don't see much of that in Poblado or the higher end places.

Just as in life you'll get what you pay for.

My last trip I saw a guy offer a girl I know 3 million pesos. It was HIS offer. Good for him.

We discuss centro and poblado and all the venues. But I notice it's ALWAYS a centro hobbyist bringing something like this up. And then generalizes it like it's a normal occurrence. Which is completely not the case.

100% agree on this!

I honestly cannot understand what should be so special about el Centro. I was living in Medellin for a couple years and am still visiting from time to time. Anyone who says the quality of girls in Centro is the same as in La Isla / Fase 2 club has no idea what he is talking about. Centro girls quality is usually low and what I saw in the recent videos posted here, not much has changed. Yes they are cheap and it might be possible to find some cute ones. Also true that some are going to Lleras at night trying to charge 10 times as much as during the day in Centro. I prefer Top quality girls 8's and above and these usually cost 200-800 k and no way can be found at Centro. Some here now probably calling me stupid, mostly those who never been to Isla because they do not want or cannot afford.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2566472]I respect all types of mongering. Whether it's centro or poblado or strip clubs to casas.

But stop with this misleading information.

Yes on occasion you'll see a centro girl try her luck in Poblado.

But you're not going to see a hardened Poblado girl take 30 k to sell her pussy.

She'll start at 200 usd and might work her way to 200 mil if she's desperate.

Centro girls don't work their way up to La Isla. Maybe it has happened on rare occasions but it doesn't work that way.

The higher end girls work at La Isla right now. It's wall to wall packed on weekends because they can be open past curfew hours.

They do not just let any girl walk in there to work.

Look guys whichever way you monger is your business.

If I sat here and tried to make fun of the guy spending more than me on the same girl, do you think that person is going to care?? He's in a position not to care.[/QUOTE]

Was the OP saying that he's seen girls from Centro in La Isla? Or just Poblado? I think the second is very plausible. You see girls in Parque Lleras who probably also work centro (or facebook).

I think there are plenty of girls in Poblado who are addicts. Their addictions are just different. Coke, tussi, booze. Where as in centro, maybe is glue and weed.

For me personally, centro doesn't do a lot for me. That said, I have been to La Isla and those plastics don't do a lot for me either, especially since they are so overpriced because weekend warriors are throwing around their money (while the girls are laughing behind their backs).

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2566472]I

Just because you saw a handful of centro girls in poblado doesn't mean it's a regular occurrence. There's more drug addicts and fat girls in centro and you don't see much of that in Poblado or the higher end places..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2566471]VIVA AIR or VIVA Airbus or some bullshit. Yellow and green logo.[/QUOTE]Another Spirit, I won't fly with them, total bullshit buying a ticket with three options for baggage, the first one includes a small carry on, not overhead, the second option includes a checked bag but no overhead, and the third option which includes the overhead bag jacks the price up so high as you experienced. For somebody flying with nothing, a perfect option. By the time you add seat selection and baggage the price literally is the same as the other carriers.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2566472]I respect all types of mongering. Whether it's centro or poblado or strip clubs to casas.

But stop with this misleading information.

Yes on occasion you'll see a centro girl try her luck in Poblado.

But you're not going to see a hardened Poblado girl take 30 k to sell her pussy.

She'll start at 200 usd and might work her way to 200 mil if she's desperate.

Centro girls don't work their way up to La Isla. Maybe it has happened on rare occasions but it doesn't work that way.

The higher end girls work at La Isla right now. It's wall to wall packed on weekends because they can be open past curfew hours.

They do not just let any girl walk in there to work.

Look guys whichever way you monger is your business.

If I sat here and tried to make fun of the guy spending more than me on the same girl, do you think that person is going to care?? He's in a position not to care.

It amazes me how misleading some information can be.

Just because you saw a handful of centro girls in poblado doesn't mean it's a regular occurrence. There's more drug addicts and fat girls in centro and you don't see much of that in Poblado or the higher end places.

Just as in life you'll get what you pay for.

My last trip I saw a guy offer a girl I know 3 million pesos. It was HIS offer. Good for him.

We discuss centro and poblado and all the venues. But I notice it's ALWAYS a centro hobbyist bringing something like this up. And then generalizes it like it's a normal occurrence. Which is completely not the case.[/QUOTE]Agree and some of the chicas have caught on, and they often ask you to make an offer, because I am sure there have been those throwing such stupid (and frankly unexpected) offers out, so why miss the chance at the payday. If you lowball them, they may just go quiet, but if you are within range, and they don't have a crazy offer then they will bite. But I have definitely noticed more of them asking what you want to offer. I have my offering mechanism, and use taxi as a little wiggle room. But if they want big money, even if I can afford it, it's a pass for me, no matter what they look like since in my experience the service is almost guaranteed to be a let down. A chica will almost always take a fair offer from someone she wants to or at least doesn't mind fucking.

Best sessions are with those you have some relationship with (more than 1st time), price point is at around market rate, and time is secondary as they are comfortable and maybe a little into enjoying themselves too.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2566470]I left Lleras around 12, last night. When we got back into Envigado, I told the taxi driver I needed to pull out cash to pay him (normally I would take DiDi / Uber but it was slow and a cab was readily available). We went to the gas station, but the guy had been using my cell on the dash for the map, and he took off. The gas station says I can talk to some one about video on Tuesday. The police say go to Fiscalia, which is not open today. My last back up was April 15. I can't access WhatsApp on my computer, nor can I mark my phone as lost on icloud. What a day!

I fucking knew this bullshit would happen.

If anyone has specific advice regarding what to do, or if I were to buy a new phone, how to activate e-SIM with T-mobile, etc. , it would be greatly appreciated if you give me the short version.[/QUOTE]I know it's too late for this information now, but whenever a taxista needs direction I hang onto my phone and tell him when and where to turn. I've known too many people who have lost phones by charging them in a taxi, or letting the driver use their map.

If I was coming down this week I'd just bring you a phone, but I won't be in Envigado for another 10 days.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2566292]Is it possible to take the girl to your hotel? I just don't' like these short time places. I prefer "my" place. And not to rush. I'm thinking for something like "let's go to my hotel, take that 30 k x 2 and let's take it slow and easy".[/QUOTE]If your hotel is on El Centro and reasonably close then it's possible. However, if you're in Poblado or Laureles most of them won't want to go. There's a bit of paranoia about leaving their comfort zone. There's also the time aspect. If traffic is bad they could miss 6 or 7 customers just to leave with 1. You can either rent your own place in El Centro to use for the girls there or use one of the better short time hotels like Premium Plaza or Zona Rosa.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2566470].

If anyone has specific advice regarding what to do, or if I were to buy a new phone, how to activate e-SIM with T-mobile, etc. , it would be greatly appreciated if you give me the short version.[/QUOTE]It appears to be straight forward following instruction here.

[URL]https://www.t-mobile.com/support/devices/t-mobile-esim[/URL]

Be sure to buy an unlocked phone. If you don't it's not the end of the world, you can get it unlocked but it will take up to a day. Also, and this is in no way me blaming you the victim, keep your phone in your hand or in your pocket at all times. That is my practice even at home on the rare occasions someone I don't know well is in my apartment. Another point for future reference is the DIDI app give you the option of using a taxi. You pay the meter reading using the same payment methods you use with independent DID drivers. And the taxis use their own phones to accept the trip and follow GPS guidance. I sometimes lose patience with taxistas fumbling routes and turn on my phone's GPS. In those situations I tell the taxista to turn off the radio and listen to the GPS. I keep the voice guidance in Spanish.

Anyway back to your phone, you won't have much problem setting up a new eSIM but it may take more than one try. I stick to physical SIMs for this reason. I also keep a spare phone but in a pinch I can use a friend's unlocked phone with a newly activated spare physical SIM I also keep handy.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2566470]I left Lleras around 12, last night. When we got back into Envigado, I told the taxi driver I needed to pull out cash to pay him (normally I would take DiDi / Uber but it was slow and a cab was readily available). We went to the gas station, but the guy had been using my cell on the dash for the map, and he took off. The gas station says I can talk to some one about video on Tuesday. The police say go to Fiscalia, which is not open today. My last back up was April 15. I can't access WhatsApp on my computer, nor can I mark my phone as lost on icloud. What a day!

I fucking knew this bullshit would happen.

If anyone has specific advice regarding what to do, or if I were to buy a new phone, how to activate e-SIM with T-mobile, etc. , it would be greatly appreciated if you give me the short version.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2566472]If I sat here and tried to make fun of the guy spending more than me on the same girl, do you think that person is going to care?? He's in a position not to care.
[/QUOTE]The observation may not be for the guy spending more than you. It could just as well bring awareness to someone new that comes along. Just like when I went to Jamaica and they had the nice new shop where tourists could by things. I sensed something fishy and went outside to ask a local. Turned out locals could by the same shit around the corner 50 meters away for 1/4 of the price at a place that was not shiny and new. Nobody is being forced or made fun of to shop at either place, but it is information that can be taken into account of where to shop.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2566469]
At Slapshot on my way here I rented an airline ticket just as a precaution as I had issues with one way tickets before. They cost around $20, a few companies do them and the booking number shows up as a live booking on the airlines website.[/QUOTE]How do you rent airline tickets? Am curios? As this is something which can really be useful to me at times.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2566470]If anyone has specific advice regarding what to do, or if I were to buy a new phone, how to activate e-SIM with T-mobile, etc. , it would be greatly appreciated if you give me the short version.[/QUOTE]With T mobile, you go onto their website and buy an international pass, $35 for 10 days, $50 for a month. That is the most painless way to go.

You do not need an international pass for Mexico (or Canada I think) but you do for South America.

[QUOTE=DogLife;2566591]How do you rent airline tickets? Am curios? As this is something which can really be useful to me at times.[/QUOTE]I think I used this website [URL]https://bestonwardticket.com[/URL]. You get emailed a ticket within a few hours which will be a live booking for 48 hours on the airlines website, you also can choose your destination. There are others if you Google it. An extremely useful service when using one way tickets and well worth 20 bucks.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2566607]I think I used this website [URL]https://bestonwardticket.com[/URL]. You get emailed a ticket within a few hours which will be a live booking for 48 hours on the airlines website, you also can choose your destination. There are others if you Google it. An extremely useful service when using one way tickets and well worth 20 bucks.[/QUOTE]You can also buy a real refundable ticket for free.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2566614]You can also buy a real refundable ticket for free.[/QUOTE]That's true depending on what you are trying to do. For example if a return ticket from Medellin is needed, just buy it right before you leave then cancel it after you clear customs. US federal law gives a 24 hour window to cancel. Usually they wait until the 24 hours has expired before hitting your CC. If not you'll be promptly refunded.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2566614]You can also buy a real refundable ticket for free.[/QUOTE]I am aware of that and that is an option but with the current situation I have spent months fighting airlines for refunds for "refundable tickets". A lot of airlines and companies are dragging their heels and have all types of T's & see's and its very easily to overlook a condition in terms of your refund, and I would rather do without the hassle of spending a few hundred dollars and then fighting to get it back. Simple solution for me, spend less than $20 and I have a live ticket within a few hours as I see my time as valuable.

Very slow today in El Centro which is typical, yet two Sundays ago it was popping.

I arrived around 3 PM Sunday and just kind of hung around for a few hours making laps and talking to a few guys. Nothing to write home about, yet a few of my regulars were out and I kind of let them know not today, but thanks.

Around 5 PM I was getting tired and wanted to get back to my place for happy hour so pulled one of my regulars who I have known for at least seven years, longer than any of my others.

We checked into Zona Rosa and my god was she in heat! After about 25 minutes of huffing and puffing, she literally demanded that I come in her mouth. She had never asked me to do that before, and I typically don't finish with Blow jobs, and when I do the girls typically hit the bathroom to spit out the jizz.

Well this time, being the gentleman that I am, I decided to oblige and go with the flow.

Oh man she worked it and worked it and then I blew my load.

But she kept sucking, and when she pulled her head back, she had this shit eating grin on her face as she had swallowed my load. I don't think it was too tasty, but maybe it was!

Holy shit, major brownie points for what transpired. I never knew she was a swallower, and they are hard to come by.

I told her she was a dog in heat today. I'm not sure if I said it correctly in Spanish when I told her that she was a "Perra Caliente", but she understood what I was saying and smiled and said yes she was very horny today which in Spanish is "ganas" I believe.

For some reason I seem to have good experiences on Sundays in El Centro and today was a winner.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2566472]I respect all types of mongering. Whether it's centro or poblado or strip clubs to casas.

But stop with this misleading information.

Yes on occasion you'll see a centro girl try her luck in Poblado.

But you're not going to see a hardened Poblado girl take 30 k to sell her pussy.

She'll start at 200 usd and might work her way to 200 mil if she's desperate.

Centro girls don't work their way up to La Isla. Maybe it has happened on rare occasions but it doesn't work that way.

The higher end girls work at La Isla right now. It's wall to wall packed on weekends because they can be open past curfew hours.

They do not just let any girl walk in there to work.

Look guys whichever way you monger is your business.

If I sat here and tried to make fun of the guy spending more than me on the same girl, do you think that person is going to care?? He's in a position not to care.[/QUOTE]Agree to disagree and your info is truly what's misleading. One thing I want to make clear and I speak for myself perhaps the other Centro guys. Just cause we go to Centro, it does not mean we don't also go to Poblado and spend 200-800 k when we feel like it. Not going to measure bank balance or dick size while at it, but I could. Also anyone who's so quick to mention they got money blah blah on an anonymous board on the internet that no one cares about is actually the one whos' broke and trying wayyy to hard. Anyone coming from the USA can have money. So it's not about that at all.

In fact I could even get into facts and stories how Wealthy people spend less in many ways. Yes there are some flashy dudes, but real wealthy men who built their castle from the bottom with their own sweat always make every dollar count. I used to be a banker, the clients that called to dispute $1-$5 late fees and finance charges were Always the ones with $100 k+ to several Millions of $ in their accounts, whereas the ones with bad credits with barely few hundreds dollars who are always paying overdraft fees and finances charges never or rarely call to dispute fees. If anything they were grateful to have an account in the first place. Hence the well known facts that bank / businesses make money usually only the medium class and especially on the poor. Consider this Free education, and try disciplining yourselves, as you're giving yourselves away as fakes and want to be cause you don't really have money if going to Poblado only is your argument.

My thing is if you're visiting a country, why not explore multiple places and methods? No different than eating street food and go where the locals go. Going to places that cater only to gringo to me is not a real local experience since they're targeting my dollar. No different than going on a cruise and staying on the Ship LOL. It's pathetic. And some would dare claiming they visited the country. No you didn't, you stayed on a fancy ship. Menus in English, Bitches speak English, LOL, all to trap my dollar. So no I want to get what the locals get, no Ingles, cheap street food, cheap cervezas, raw local pussy with no fake tits / No Fake asses targeting my tourist arse.

Why does it have to be a competition or one vs the other? Some dudes like myself get bored quick, some mornings I use Centro also for a little walk and exercise, evening I prob spend more than some of you in Poblado. Yes I sit in VIPs in both Gusto and Lleras park club, La Isla and all the others. I often walk in with two chicas or pick two chicas and buy a bottle to share with even strangers LOL. Most of what users write about centro is true, there are women from Poblado that I fuckd for 300 k that can't even come close to some of the Centro beauties. Not all of them but some for sure. Plus la Isla ain't really all that and some women in there I wouldn't fuck for free. I'd say 1 out of 10 women in la Isla is prob an 8-10, the rest or 90% are just average hoes.

When I went last time few months back, same girls coming from La Isla and Face dos went to other local after hour club after closing, and were asking 1/3rd of what they skd me before LOL. So 300 k got reduced to 120 k (actual going rate in the after hour club, 120 for 30 minutes, room upstairs and club still take a cut meaning they prob earn 50 k), met one in the street before she went inside, negotiated down to 50 k + taxi and ended pay paying 100 k at my place. Was around 4 am. Yes same hoe from La Isla who wanted 300 k. Of course many aren't going to go for it, plus the super hot ones always make enough money and don't go to after hrs and aren't desperate. But many of the others, still possible solid 6-8 range you can get cheap if you catch them in other places or if they like you.

So GTFOH. If you don't have games just say you don't but don't talk sh $t you know none about. It's also about not being afraid to visit clubs with no other gringos almost in sight. Some of you fellas maybe aren't fun, yes some of those hunnies are hardcore pros, but many of them are new to the game, or college student and besides they are all still human. If you're cool and they just want to hang with you sometimes the money becomes secondary. Women aren't machines, they can chose to charge you an amount and charge the other chomp less. They are not programmed to not have any feelings, or never get horny, and you all often forget that they still have boyfriends banging them for no dinero, or worse no boyfriends due their hobby meaning they still want dick when they've no client.

Bottom line, I don't want to offend anyone so Admin don't ban me for saying this LOL, but honestly if you joined this hobby because you failed with women and didn't have any games, or were unlucky with love for whatever reasons, then just learn and try to apply yourselves to become better, remember that practice makes perfect, and just don't argue. Just having stateside money that becomes a lot overseas and suddenly getting laid by women you've never had a chance to bed before does not make you a player, or think you know all about women. You are paying her while the local matcho with games with zero dollars is nutting in her free, daily!

Because believe it or not, many of us in hobby have been married, dated dimes back home, tons of them, fuckd the prom queen and everything in High school and still don't have any problem picking up dates. And for us this is just fun to continue our journey of passion and emptying our intensely filled Libido LOL.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2566481]100% agree on this!

I honestly cannot understand what should be so special about el Centro. I was living in Medellin for a couple years and am still visiting from time to time. Anyone who says the quality of girls in Centro is the same as in La Isla / Fase 2 club has no idea what he is talking about. Centro girls quality is usually low and what I saw in the recent videos posted here, not much has changed. Yes they are cheap and it might be possible to find some cute ones. Also true that some are going to Lleras at night trying to charge 10 times as much as during the day in Centro. I prefer Top quality girls 8's and above and these usually cost 200-800 k and no way can be found at Centro. Some here now probably calling me stupid, mostly those who never been to Isla because they do not want or cannot afford.[/QUOTE]You fail in this debate because you think of women as Products in a shop.

If you just purchased a computer at Best Buy and spent $1000, and I claim to just have paid $100 for the exact same model at Walmart Brand new, obviously I'd be lying.

Well Gentlemen women aren't products. This is a personal hobby / business they do using their body, and yes I know it's the obvious but sometimes you all forget with so many crazy things I read on here and other places about hookers and pricing debates. So she can choose to charge 300 k one spot and 30 k another spot, and FREE even for some. Now I know many of you just flip out and losing your minds when guys mention free here. So I won't tell you about my free stories LOL.

I'm going to keep repeating this and support those who's experienced the same. I've met 8's, 9's and 10's in Centro charging 30 k, and I've tried asking them to come to my apt / hotel and price went up to 250-300 k or more, same if I see them in Parque Lleras. Reason is simple, when they're hot they're in high demand in the streets and can get even more money charging 30-60 k and upcharging for extra stuff like BBBJ, anal etc. This is coming from them and I was shocked when one claimed this, that she can make more money in street as she turned down a 200 k offer I made her to come to my hotel. It was around 7 pm which was prime time for her. As soon as I walked away someone grabbed her and she disappeared LOL.

It's a different dynamic in the street and I can see why also they could make more money. Plus she doesn't have to spend a hundred in a pretty dress, hair or too much make up. Economically it's smart. So when you think like that on their point of view, you'll see why those dimes exist in the street. Besides, Colombia is a country if 50+Million citizens, and only a few hundred women visit Poblado or Parque Lleras and those clubs you fake ballers call fancy. Meaning the majority of beautiful women or the real cream of the crop of the country remain unseen, with the locals or the Elites, Celebs, or work in private. Just don't be too closed minded.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2566469]I went to Lleras for the first time the other night just to see it and as someone else said I heard lots of English around me. Definitely not my scene these type of gringo places, but honestly some really stunning girls walking around. Got quoted 200-300 k and they would absolutely not budge on that, I chuckled to myself. The other day I had 2 girls at my place for 2 hours for 200 k total. Got the number of 2 girls and the next day they were still not budging on price. They wanted to know why I wanted to pay less and I tried to explain to them I do not want to pay them little money but I am just not paying Poblado prices because I don't need to.[/QUOTE]But, there's a clown on here that claims he can get them for 30 k. I really want to see it happen, they'll laugh at him LOL.

Hey all,

I'm planning on visiting Medellin for the first time soon. Since it's my first go around, main priority is safety / convenience. Planning on staying in Poblado as that's the touristy area. I would prefer the mongering be as "low touch" as possible, so girls coming to my hotel rather than me going to Centro everyday to find them for example. I don't have the time to slowly build up a list of connections on Facebook. How good are sites like Photoprepagos? Are the girls reliable? Are there any other good sources for finding girls online? If I get a hotel near parque Lleras, how easy is it to bring the girl back? Basically I'm looking for a staycation with mongering, so at most a short walk to parque Lleras from the hotel, nothing more.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2565735]Hi brothers, can you please give me more info about the usual hotel policy about guests coming to your room? If you book a room for 2 persons. Do they charge something if you bring girl to the hotel room? Usually I book apartments and I have no such worries but strangely I can not find an apartment in Medellin that fits my needs and pocket at the same time. And the hotels offers that on a much better price. Usually it's the opposite.[/QUOTE]There are all kinds of different policies among different hotels, from wide open-rent by the hour, to no guests allowed period.

Many of my fellow mongers here know I have been a fan of Ayenda Hotels from the time I first set foot in Medellin in 2019. They unofficially have the mongering market square in their sights. The hotels are usually 3 stars, clean and do not mind guests. Their rates are among the lowest you will find. Contrary to common newbie opinion, you want a hotel that checks girls cedulas (ID's) and keeps controls, such as calling your room when a chica leaves and before they return her cedula to make sure you haven't been drugged and robbed, jajajja.

Ayenda hotels are not a chain or franchise. The hotels are privately owned a pay Ayenda a fee for use of their reservation system and marketing. As a result, it is not always "obvious" if a hotel is an Ayenda, especially from the street. They will have a separate name but somehwere it will say "Ayenda" with a number. That is another point of confusion. That number is not part of the address, but all Ayenda hotels have their own ID number, such as Ayenda 1234 (a real Ayenda hotel where I have stayed and recommend). Long story longer, search under "Ayenda" using your favorite hotel search engine.

When you book a double rate, assuming you are alone, that gets you one "free" joiner or chica or guest per check-in / check out time cycle. What that means if you have a girl arrive at 3 AM, she leaves at 9 AM (before check out) then another chica comes in later that same day after check in, even though you had 2 girls in less than 24 hours you still are at the one girl per hotel "day" and will not pay extra if you booked the double rate, capish? Don't get bogged down in those details, stay friendly with the girls at reception, the maids, etc. Strategically tip and you will get back you measly tips ten times over when the receptionist looks the other way during one of your quickies. If you are having to scrape by on your pesos that tight then stay home and save more pennies before you come, jajaja. One trip where you can do as you please with as many girls as you want is better than two trips where you sit on your ass alone in your hotel room because you can't afford another girl for three days or more.

Usually the difference from the single to double rate is less than the separate per chica guest fee you have to pay. That translates to if you are going to average one chica per day or more in your room, pay the double rate and save a few pesos. AFTER the first girl per day, again based on check in and check out times as I explained above, then you have to pay a joiner fee or guest fee ranging from 15 to 30 mil COP per girl.

I got "warnings" in more than one Ayenda hotel when I hit 5 separate girls in 24 hours and another time when I had four girls in my room at the same time, LOL. I circumvented the second complaint by booking two rooms at the same time so I could bring up more girls still, and at eleven dollars a night it was worth it.

If you are the whiny, complainer type then Ayendas may not be for you. I have had hit or miss hot water and have switched rooms to get a better WiFi signal, but if you stay polite and respectful, I find they bend over backwards to please.

To wit, I recently got a Whassap from "Katherine" who identified herself as employed at one of the many Ayendas where I have stayed in Medellin, Cali, and Bogota, see foto. She offered me a 20% permanent discount, which when combined with the 10% discount I also get from the booking site I use, puts me in the single dollar digits per night for a room. And I don't think my male ego was being delusional when I read between her winking emojis and other parts or her message that she is offering me an additional bonus upon my return, jajajaja. I will be booking there and checking her out.

Other random gratuitous fotos, I was looking for the pics from that exact night when I started with four chicas in one room, ended up with six chicas in two rooms at one of the Ayendas on Avenida 70. Who am I kidding, that entire week was a blur. Well anywho I found these.

In Nov / Dec I made it known that lots of centros were parading in Parque Lleras for double income. In ddition centro strippers who work day time or have day off also is seen out in Parque Lleras. So even the illerates and unsophisticated have enough sense to explore added incomes in Lleras. Its common sense and factual. Nyc I think you are ignoring the truth to support your lunacy of paying high dollars in Colombia when you can get the same talent in New York for the same price. Yeah yeah yeah you have the dough so why not LOL. Anyways fortunately in Kenya I can give a girl a cheap / nice gift and she spends the whole night doing whatever I like. No silicons, no upsell, no in a rush to make more money, real 3 somes, cum in the mouth all day long LOL. I loved it tall man. 2 and half month without paying for pussy. Blakman out.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2566472]I respect all types of mongering. Whether it's centro or poblado or strip clubs to casas.

But stop with this misleading information.

Yes on occasion you'll see a centro girl try her luck in Poblado.

But you're not going to see a hardened Poblado girl take 30 k to sell her pussy.

She'll start at 200 usd and might work her way to 200 mil if she's desperate.

Centro girls don't work their way up to La Isla. Maybe it has happened on rare occasions but it doesn't work that way.

The higher end girls work at La Isla right now. It's wall to wall packed on weekends because they can be open past curfew hours.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2566607]I think I used this website [URL]https://bestonwardticket.com[/URL]. You get emailed a ticket within a few hours which will be a live booking for 48 hours on the airlines website, you also can choose your destination. There are others if you Google it. An extremely useful service when using one way tickets and well worth 20 bucks.[/QUOTE]This is the kind of intel needed on this board rather than hear about how many orgasmos a fellow gave a Chica.

Bestonwardticket IS a real ticket. It is a real travel agency and they create a REAL ticket. The difference is that it is their responsibility to cancel it and get the refund, rather than yours.

I used to just create my own "tickets" using dreamweaver and photoshop, but the cost of Bestonwardticket is USD 12, so I figured I may as well save my time, PLUS it is a genuine ticket, rather than my effort was just a screen print of a fake ticket. .

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2566614]You can also buy a real refundable ticket for free.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566601]With T mobile, you go onto their website and buy an international pass, $35 for 10 days, $50 for a month. That is the most painless way to go.

You do not need an international pass for Mexico (or Canada I think) but you do for South America.[/QUOTE]I just switched from Verizon, they suck, to T-mobile and get my new phone today, just in time for my trip to Bogotá this Thursday. Do I need to do anything special to get the international pass? Do I need to do it before I leave the states? When I turned on my Verizon phone when I landed in Colombia everything switched automatically.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2566810]I just switched from Verizon, they suck, to T-mobile and get my new phone today, just in time for my trip to Bogot this Thursday. Do I need to do anything special to get the international pass? Do I need to do it before I leave the states? When I turned on my Verizon phone when I landed in Colombia everything switched automatically.[/QUOTE]You want to make sure your phone is already set to roam automatically. Also you need a plan that includes it. I have the Amplified plan which includes free international internet among other things for $70. You do not need to buy any passes.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2566805]Bestonwardticket IS a real ticket. It is a real travel agency and they create a REAL ticket. The difference is that it is their responsibility to cancel it and get the refund, rather than yours.

I used to just create my own "tickets" using dreamweaver and photoshop, but the cost of Bestonwardticket is USD 12, so I figured I may as well save my time, PLUS it is a genuine ticket, rather than my effort was just a screen print of a fake ticket. .[/QUOTE]So I'm a bit confused how these tickets work. They are actual tickets but good for only 48 hours?

So if you buy one what departure date to use.

So as an example if you know your going to stay at least 10 days in Colombia or more, what return date do you buy the ticket for.

Or does the ticket have to be within 48 hours for return upon arrival which might be odd if immigration wanted to see the return ticket, although it's typically the airlines that do before allowing you to board.

Maybe these are stupid questions but I would like to understand this better.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2566818]So I'm a bit confused how these tickets work. They are actual tickets but good for only 48 hours?

So if you buy one what departure date to use.

So as an example if you know your going to stay at least 10 days in Colombia or more, what return date do you buy the ticket for.

Or does the ticket have to be within 48 hours for return upon arrival which might be odd if immigration wanted to see the return ticket, although it's typically the airlines that do before allowing you to board.

Maybe these are stupid questions but I would like to understand this better.[/QUOTE]Say you will arrive in MDE on 6/1 on a one way ticket. The airline wants you to have a return ticket leaving MDE. You go online to buy a ticket from MDE to another country for $12 to show the airline in order to board the flight. The $12 ticket will no longer be in the system after 48 hours (6/3). You will buy a real ticket when you decide to leave MDE.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2566786]In Nov / Dec I made it known that lots of centros were parading in Parque Lleras for double income. In ddition centro strippers who work day time or have day off also is seen out in Parque Lleras. So even the illerates and unsophisticated have enough sense to explore added incomes in Lleras. [/QUOTE]He is saying don't generalize it like what you are doing.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2566786] Its common sense and factual. [/QUOTE]Your 8 does not work at El Centro, right? Common sense tells me that the girl who can make it in Parque Lleras don't have to work in El Centro. You can get [b]some[/b] girls that work at both places but not [b]all[/b] girls work at both places. You talking about the former (some) and Yang is saying that is not the same as the later (all).

[QUOTE=Nounce;2566853]Say you will arrive in MDE on 6/1 on a one way ticket. The airline wants you to have a return ticket leaving MDE. You go online to buy a ticket from MDE to another country for $12 to show the airline in order to board the flight. The $12 ticket will no longer be in the system after 48 hours (6/3). You will buy a real ticket when you decide to leave MDE.[/QUOTE]Thats exactly it. The travel date will be after the 48 hour period it is live, in which case it will be cancelled. I will just reiterate Nounce's example and break it down a bit more, you fly into Colombia like me on a one way ticket, I don't know if I am going to have trouble at check in or not regardless of what the official information is which does not always carry through to the airlines. Therefore I rent a ticket for departure from Colombia a month after I land, it could be whenever you choose, even 2 weeks or 10 days after the date you land.

You buy or rent the ticket for $12 the day before you fly. In a few hours you get emailed a live ticket valid for departure from Colombia lets say 1 month after you land. You can show the check in your email confirmation and if they were to check with the airline website which is unlikely, it would show a valid booking. 48 hours after you purchase or rent the ticket, it gets cancelled automatically, by that time you're already balls deep in some centro poon. Everybody's a winner.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2566712]


Well Gentlemen women aren't products. This is a personal hobby / business they do using their body, and yes I know it's the obvious but sometimes you all forget with so many crazy things I read on here and other places about hookers and pricing debates. So she can choose to charge 300 k one spot and 30 k another spot, and FREE even for some. Now I know many of you just flip out and losing your minds when guys mention free here. So I won't tell you about my free stories LOL.

It's a different dynamic in the street and I can see why also they could make more money. Plus she doesn't have to spend a hundred in a pretty dress, hair or too much make up. Economically it's smart. So when you think like that on their point of view, you'll see why those dimes exist in the street. Besides, Colombia is a country if 50+Million citizens, and only a few hundred women visit Poblado or Parque Lleras and those clubs you fake ballers call fancy. Meaning the majority of beautiful women or the real cream of the crop of the country remain unseen, with the locals or the Elites, Celebs, or work in private. Just don't be too closed minded.[/QUOTE]While I can't say anything about el centro as its really not my scene. I will say that I agree that the same chick can pick and choose how much she goes for. This was made painfully obvious on my last trip. My buddy and I stuck mostly to FB girls since we landed just as a 6 day lock down started. I met with really cute chick for 200 k for about 2-3 hours and had a great time. I recommended him to contact her and he did. Well when he did she quoted him 350 k for one hour! And would not budge on it at all! So yeah, chicks can quote different prices to different people on a whim.

[QUOTE=BootyBandit84;2566870]I met with really cute chick for 200 k for about 2-3 hours and had a great time. [/QUOTE]That's about the amount an average blue collar worker makes in a week. The value corresponds to USD4-600 for us.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2566703]Agree to disagree and your info is truly what's misleading. One thing I want to make clear and I speak for myself perhaps the other Centro guys. Just cause we go to Centro, it does not mean we don't also go to Poblado and spend 200-800 k when we feel like it. Not going to measure bank balance or dick size while at it, but I could. Also anyone who's so quick to mention they got money blah blah on an anonymous board on the internet that no one cares about is actually the one whos' broke and trying wayyy to hard. Anyone coming from the USA can have money. So it's not about that at all.

In fact I could even get into facts and stories how Wealthy people spend less in many ways. Yes there are some flashy dudes, but real wealthy men who built their castle from the bottom with their own sweat always make every dollar count. I used to be a banker, the clients that called to dispute $1-$5 late fees and finance charges were Always the ones with $100 k+ to several Millions of $ in their accounts, whereas the ones with bad credits with barely few hundreds dollars who are always paying overdraft fees and finances charges never or rarely call to dispute fees. If anything they were grateful to have an account in the first place. Hence the well known facts that bank / businesses make money usually only the medium class and especially on the poor. Consider this Free education, and try disciplining yourselves, as you're giving yourselves away as fakes and want to be cause you don't really have money if going to Poblado only is your argument..[/QUOTE]Wise words wise one.

BTW congrats my reply to 3 million pesos was blocked.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2566818]So I'm a bit confused how these tickets work. They are actual tickets but good for only 48 hours?

So if you buy one what departure date to use.

So as an example if you know your going to stay at least 10 days in Colombia or more, what return date do you buy the ticket for.

Or does the ticket have to be within 48 hours for return upon arrival which might be odd if immigration wanted to see the return ticket, although it's typically the airlines that do before allowing you to board.

Maybe these are stupid questions but I would like to understand this better.[/QUOTE]On almost any airline's website, you can make a reservation without paying for the ticket. The length of time you have until you pay for the ticket varies by the airline. On Copa, it is one day. If you don't pay within that time, the ticket is automatically cancelled. Some enterprising person is using that grace period to make some money, while also providing a service to travelers. The date can be any date you want just as long as some airline is making reservations for that date.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2566891]On almost any airline's website, you can make a reservation without paying for the ticket.[/QUOTE]"Almost any" excludes Jetblue and Spirit. This also begs the question of whether a simple reservation would qualify if proof of a return ticket is requested.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2566712]Reason is simple, when they're hot they're in high demand in the streets and can get even more money charging 30-60 k and upcharging for extra stuff like BBBJ, anal etc. This is coming from them and I was shocked when one claimed this, that she can make more money in street as she turned down a 200 k offer I made her to come to my hotel.[/QUOTE]While we are providing personal experiences I'll say that I've had plenty of Centro casa girls where their share is about 25 K, come to my hotel for 100 K + taxi. And these are the better looking casa girls as that's all I choose. In fact I can't think of a single one that turned it down. Therefore readers can take your reported experiences, mine, and others and decide how they want to proceed. Wink.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2566472]Centro girls don't work their way up to La Isla. Maybe it has happened on rare occasions but it doesn't work that way.[/QUOTE]You can assert this all you like but you are simply incorrect. You'll keep asserting it I know, so we can leave it to the readers to decide what is true. Virtually all these girls are from the poorer barrios. Many start in Centro and work their way up to El Poblado and areas nearby, or Cartagena once they get the money for better clothes, accessories and / or surgery. I've seen it time and again. It's true that the better looking ones of the crop tend to move up, but they are still the same barrio girls you find starting out in Centro. I personally prefer finding them when they first start out, are more natural and fewer miles.

You guys can go on Orbitz, buy a ticket and cancel it with no issues or charges within 24 hours. So, just before heading to the airport: buy your return ticket--print. Out the information and receipt they email you. Then cancel the ticket--and just show the airport people the ticket you purchased--and don't mention the cancellation. Or just wait until you get to where you are staying then cancel it (within 24 hours from purchase).

Its not difficult to figure out.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2566866]Thats exactly it. The travel date will be after the 48 hour period it is live, in which case it will be cancelled. I will just reiterate Nounce's example and break it down a bit more, you fly into Colombia like me on a one way ticket, I don't know if I am going to have trouble at check in or not regardless of what the official information is which does not always carry through to the airlines. Therefore I rent a ticket for departure from Colombia a month after I land, it could be whenever you choose, even 2 weeks or 10 days after the date you land.

You buy or rent the ticket for $12 the day before you fly. In a few hours you get emailed a live ticket valid for departure from Colombia lets say 1 month after you land. You can show the check in your email confirmation and if they were to check with the airline website which is unlikely, it would show a valid booking. 48 hours after you purchase or rent the ticket, it gets cancelled automatically, by that time you're already balls deep in some centro poon. Everybody's a winner.[/QUOTE]This clears it up for me, what a deal when you think about it. So within forty eight hours of your departure flight you must do the deal with them. Makes sense now, and think how little it costs for this company to do this and the flexibility it provides someone.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2566909]You guys can go on Orbitz, buy a ticket and cancel it with no issues or charges within 24 hours. So, just before heading to the airport: buy your return ticket--print. Out the information and receipt they email you. Then cancel the ticket--and just show the airport people the ticket you purchased--and don't mention the cancellation. Or just wait until you get to where you are staying then cancel it (within 24 hours from purchase).

Its not difficult to figure out.[/QUOTE]But you can do the same directly with the airline, is no need to use a go between if you are in the US. The 24 hours refund rule is federal law.

Am pretty sure this 24 hour cancellation policy with airlines is only for flights originating in USA. Maybe most of you guys do that when visiting Colombia. But it is not an option for everyone.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2566909]You guys can go on Orbitz, buy a ticket and cancel it with no issues or charges within 24 hours. So, just before heading to the airport: buy your return ticket--print. Out the information and receipt they email you. Then cancel the ticket--and just show the airport people the ticket you purchased--and don't mention the cancellation. Or just wait until you get to where you are staying then cancel it (within 24 hours from purchase).

Its not difficult to figure out.[/QUOTE]

I have a chica coming over tonight. I know her, but have not seen her in at least two years. She is supposed to come at 7. She messages me at 6:45 and asks if she can come at 8 so she can be punctual! Jejejejejejej Everyone would always be on time if they could just change the time of an appointment.

FYI. The Bank of Bogota and Daviendo are both boarded up on La 70 near Avenida San Peter. This is where I usually get my cash. I was surprised to find that out the hard way tonight. I guess it's off to the food course at the Jumbo! Plan accordingly if you stay in this area.

I'm with you, Paulie. I prefer them when they start. The girls at La Isla, last time I went, had a lot of plastic and tended to have the bigger asses that Colombians like. Many of them had a lot of tats. These were not girls who grew up in Poblado!

They may have some beauty which is augmented by surgery. Some are good dancers. But in the end La Isla is still a strip club. Not really my scene. I like the flacas.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2566904]You can assert this all you like but you are simply incorrect. You'll keep asserting it I know, so we can leave it to the readers to decide what is true. Virtually all these girls are from the poorer barrios. Many start in Centro and work their way up to El Poblado and areas nearby, or Cartagena once they get the money for better clothes, accessories and / or surgery. I've seen it time and again. It's true that the better looking ones of the crop tend to move up, but they are still the same barrio girls you find starting out in Centro. I personally prefer finding them when they first start out, are more natural and fewer miles.[/QUOTE]

Had a pretty good day, which consisted of a morning session at Ground Zero, lap swimming around lunch time, another late afternoon session at Ground Zero, and back at the ranch for happy hour and dinner.

Today I met one of my regulars in El Centro at 10 AM and took her to Hotel Deseos across from the bus stop for the Airport. The Hotel is very old and very funky. I'm surprised the elevator works in this 8 story building and is so slow it's faster to just use the stairs. The place is at least fifty years old with lots of original wood doors and tile work. No plastic coated melamine doors or cabinets in this place. The rooms have TV's, fans, and are very large, yet with tiny bathrooms.

I've probably been in at least 20 different rooms there, and they all have windows to the outside, cloth drapes and very slippery floors when wet. Today I was lucky I got a room that actually had a showerhead on the shower. I typically take my street urchins to Zona Rosa, no issues, no recording of documents, and 13 K. I also use Premier Plaza but nobody gets in without an ID, and 16 K. And Deseos costs 18 K, the most expensive of the three, but no document checks, and most of the rooms have mirrors on the ceiling. If you like watching your Chica riding you or while she is blowing you, some guys might like this place, but again, it's old and funky like me so I'm right at home.

Upon finishing my morning session I took some laps around ground zero at 12 PM and it was very dead, albeit the hardcore workers were there and I headed to Bellin to go swimming and then back to my place and returned at 4 PM to ground zero.

Upon arriving at Parque Berrio on Monday which was a Colombian National Holiday at 4 PM, I told myself not to expect anything out, including many of my regulars and that I would probably just take a few laps and go home. When I was at ground zero on Saturday when my saddle bags were sucked dry by one of my skanks, I had been looking for my new favorite spinner but she was not out. But today she was, and we checked into Zona Rosa and she serviced me well and got a pay raise!

Got home around 6:30 PM in time for happy hour.

Tomorrow is another day, maybe I will find a new one to add to the stable that actually has a phone.

Life is good in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2566899]This also begs the question of whether a simple reservation would qualify if proof of a return ticket is requested.[/QUOTE]Yes a simple reservation will do. Most of the time they only need to see the reservation to verify that you have one. At rare times they would need to put the ticket number in. Either way, once you have the two (reservation number and ticket number), you can cancel it. It is not checked or anything.

I am very confused why anyone needs to pay a fee to accomplish what you can for free. I think everyone is familiar with the concept of a fully refundable fare. When you need a return ticket for immigration purposes that you don't plan to use you buy a fully refundable ticket and then you cancel the trip once you are done with immigration. It's amazing to me how often the simplest things are made complicated on this website.

I did not give any chicas orgasms today.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2566794]This is the kind of intel needed on this board rather than hear about how many orgasmos a fellow gave a Chica.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2566904]You can assert this all you like but you are simply incorrect. You'll keep asserting it I know, so we can leave it to the readers to decide what is true. Virtually all these girls are from the poorer barrios. Many start in Centro and work their way up to El Poblado and areas nearby, or Cartagena once they get the money for better clothes, accessories and / or surgery.[/QUOTE]Aren't the chicks in these high-end fuck clubs generally older anyway (Not 18-24,25, or 26 for that matter)? It is not plausible that at their ages they just fell off of an onion truck hooker-ready and magically popped up at the most expensive places in town for their hooker debut. They are not going from zero to high class ho. Like you said they get the money for better clothes and surgery and shit first by turning tricks in the minor leagues.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2566976]Aren't the chicks in these high-end fuck clubs generally older anyway (Not 18-24,25, or 26 for that matter)? It is not plausible that at their ages they just fell off of an onion truck hooker-ready and magically popped up at the most expensive places in town for their hooker debut. They are not going from zero to high class ho. Like you said they get the money for better clothes and surgery and shit first by turning tricks in the minor leagues.[/QUOTE]How many overpriced putas, start out at that price? 0.

How many loads has she swallowed to buy those fake tits? That fake ass.

How many loads has she taken in her anus for that purse and hair do?

What is the actual pene odometer reading for putas in a place like Gustos or La Isla?

I'm guessing much much higher than the street meat.

I'm also guessing most overpriced putas are walking HPV petri dishes, et al.

Fake people like fake shit.

I prefer petite no ink no implants no babies, under 25 yo.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2566712]You fail in this debate because you think of women as Products in a shop..[/QUOTE]Touche.

Putas are not durable goods, or sports cars.

They provide a service.

Most akin to a manicure, a haircut, a massage.

How much would these fools pay for a manicure, 100 x more than the market rate? 1000 x? Look out if they think she's pretty LMAO.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/most-expensive-car-ever-sold-bugatti-la-voiture-noire-2019-3[/URL]

You can't be overcharged by a 3rd world puta and recoup any of that money the next day by reselling her, like you could with a car or durable good.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2566909]You guys can go on Orbitz, buy a ticket and cancel it with no issues or charges within 24 hours. So, just before heading to the airport: buy your return ticket--print. Out the information and receipt they email you. Then cancel the ticket--and just show the airport people the ticket you purchased--and don't mention the cancellation. Or just wait until you get to where you are staying then cancel it (within 24 hours from purchase).

Its not difficult to figure out.[/QUOTE]You're still not getting the point. Some people myself included don't want to stump up full price for a ticket and then go through a refund process when you can simply pay $12 to bypass that. Also it may surprise you to learn that not everybody is from the United States, there are other countries as well and as JustTK stated Orbitz is not an option for everyone.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2566810]I just switched from Verizon, they suck, to T-mobile and get my new phone today, just in time for my trip to Bogot this Thursday. Do I need to do anything special to get the international pass? Do I need to do it before I leave the states? When I turned on my Verizon phone when I landed in Colombia everything switched automatically.[/QUOTE]You will be covered by a shit 3 G or lower plan automatically. You have to pay for the 4 G networks in Colombia with the pass. Just go on to [URL]myTmobile.com[/URL] and put in international data pass. All you have to do is accept the charges. You can do it in Colombia or from the USA, but I like to have it activated before I go.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2567006]You're still not getting the point. Some people myself included don't want to stump up full price for a ticket and then go through a refund process when you can simply pay $12 to bypass that. Also it may surprise you to learn that not everybody is from the United States, there are other countries as well and as JustTK stated Orbitz is not an option for everyone.[/QUOTE]Good point since you are outside the US. For myself there's nothing to "go through" with the refund process. With Jetblue and cancellation within 24 hours, I'm either never charged or the refund posts within a couple of days. They have to refund for cancellations within 24 hours, federal law. I've done this many times and haven't a second thought about it. This is surely something to consider for guys in the US.

I've read 100's of pages in preparation for my first trip, lots of great info. But one question. When you get the girl for an hour is it one and done and then she's out? Or does this get negotiated beforehand?

Who is trying to help you.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2567006]You're still not getting the point. Some people myself included don't want to stump up full price for a ticket and then go through a refund process when you can simply pay $12 to bypass that. Also it may surprise you to learn that not everybody is from the United States, there are other countries as well and as JustTK stated Orbitz is not an option for everyone.[/QUOTE]1. There is no actual charge to a card and no need for a whole refund process if you make a reservation and cancel it within 24 hours--its literally as easy as clicking back onto orbitz, clicking My Trips-then pressing 'cancel'.

2. I do not live in the USA, I live in another country--so, again, in your attempt to dismiss and attack-you miss the forest through the trees. Orbitz works all over the world. I haven't been in the USA for more than a few days in almost a decade. I always use Orbitz-from outside he USA. Except North Korea. Orbitz and similar sites will work pretty much anywhere.

You can pay 12 dollars or you can pay nothing at all. Its the same effort.

I encourage people here instead of trying to push others down to lift themselves up--try and build up each others ideas and offer constructive suggestions not passive aggressive insults to people just offering to help by explaining what they have done that works.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2566958]Am pretty sure this 24 hour cancellation policy with airlines is only for flights originating in USA. Maybe most of you guys do that when visiting Colombia. But it is not an option for everyone.[/QUOTE]You are incorrect. I do not live in the USA. I don't book flights that originate in the USA. ALL Orbitz flights / rental cars / hotels etc can be cancelled within 24 hours of the reservation-so long as the trip hasnt actually started yet.

Instead of just making assumptions so you can be dismissive--maybe trust a little that some of us do this all the time--and there are many of us who do not live in the USA.

Hey,

I'm new to traveling but not to the lifestyle. I will be doing some walking for SWs and agency girls. Can y'all provide me with the places you contact when in Medellin. I'll be there from 24-28 if anyone wants to grab a beer and hit Centro. I have little Spanish speaking skills, so the more you know the better.

Also I'll be staying at Hotel M, let me know if that's worth my time?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2566973]I am very confused why anyone needs to pay a fee to accomplish what you can for free. I think everyone is familiar with the concept of a fully refundable fare. When you need a return ticket for immigration purposes that you don't plan to use you buy a fully refundable ticket and then you cancel the trip once you are done with immigration. It's amazing to me how often the simplest things are made complicated on this website.

I did not give any chicas orgasms today.[/QUOTE]Ok this is the last time I am going to post on this because its obvious that some people have difficulty comprehending it. By your logic if I am going to Colombia on a one way ticket I should pay for a refundable return ticket and then cancel it, so what about my outward journey if I cancel my ticket. Or are you saying that I should just cancel the return part of the journey, or buy 2 separate tickets and cancel the return?

Either way let me tell you about the last time I had a refundable ticket. Qatar Airways confirmed I was entitled to a refund and asked if I preferred the refund or a voucher plus 10%, I chose the refund. Later they emailed a voucher. I then had to waste a huge amount of time calling them in the Middle East at my own expense well as trying to contact them on social media to get my refund.

In the end I filed a case with my credit card company and I lost more time compiling emails and communication to and from Qatar Airways in order for the bank to investigate. In the end I got my refund.

Can you see where I am going with this or is there still confusion?

Also there was a time when after flying into Cambodia about 50 times on a one way ticket they suddenly demanded a return ticket that I wasn't expecting and I was already late for the flight. For me ticket rental worked perfectly.

By the way I am not endorsing that company, someone on the board asked about it and I explained how I find it useful, for me it fulfils a need, each to their own. Thats it and I am done with this topic.

"Either way let me tell you about the last time I had a refundable ticket. Qatar Airways confirmed I was entitled to a refund and asked if I preferred the refund or a voucher plus 10%, I chose the refund. Later they emailed a voucher. I then had to waste a huge amount of time calling them in the Middle East at my own expense well as trying to contact them on social media to get my refund. ".

Unfortunately not many airline companies are trustworthy. I booked a flight today to Bogota with Avianca and did not received the confirmation. No way to do anything online; they ask to call but its all answering machines and nobody to talk to. I think the biggest USA or EUROPEAN airlines are the least worst choice in term of customer service.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2566962]I have a chica coming over tonight. I know her, but have not seen her in at least two years. She is supposed to come at 7. She messages me at 6:45 and asks if she can come at 8 so she can be punctual! Jejejejejejej Everyone would always be on time if they could just change the time of an appointment.

FYI. The Bank of Bogota and Daviendo are both boarded up on La 70 near Avenida San Peter. This is where I usually get my cash. I was surprised to find that out the hard way tonight. I guess it's off to the food course at the Jumbo! Plan accordingly if you stay in this area.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the update on La 70. I will be there soon and have been wondering about the rioting in that area. Any other tips to get around the area during this wild time? (I've stayed there before but during the calm times). Thanks.

It has been quiet and normal since I have been here. The only problem was the banks / ATMs being boarded. That said, I went to the Jumbo 65 today. All entrances are closed and boarded except for the main entrance. Inside it's business as usual and all of the ATM machines work.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2567173]Thank you for the update on La 70. I will be there soon and have been wondering about the rioting in that area. Any other tips to get around the area during this wild time? (I've stayed there before but during the calm times). Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Thebman;2567092]I've read 100's of pages in preparation for my first trip, lots of great info. But one question. When you get the girl for an hour is it one and done and then she's out? Or does this get negotiated beforehand?[/QUOTE]If you want a quick pop in the first five minutes, then you want her to still suck you off for another 55 minutes, make it clear to her you are paying for her time up front, jajaja. And don't expect to go one minute over unless you pay more. This also may depend on what kind of girl you are with and where you are doing the dirty deed. Are you with a streetwalker in a side hotel at Centro, or are you back in your hotel room with a Facebook Find? My experience is when you pay for an hour you get an hour and that should be understood ahead of time but 90% of the time my girls are coming to me and not watching the clock so you may want to listen to some El Centro Rats from here. Good luck and let us know how it works out!

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2567188]It has been quiet and normal since I have been here. The only problem was the banks / ATMs being boarded. That said, I went to the Jumbo 65 today. All entrances are closed and boarded except for the main entrance. Inside it's business as usual and all of the ATM machines work.[/QUOTE]Thanks again!

Stop worrying so much about what other people are doing.

If you prefer to keep your return ticket open and are concerned the airline will give you problems, solve the problem your way based on what works for your situation. If someone else solves it another way, which fits their situation, then be happy they found a solution. If someday their method causes them problems, don't worry about it. You're not their mother.

There is no hooker girl scout guide with all the steps to achieve higher ranks clearly spelled out. Not every chica takes the same path. Some working in El Centro were working in Parque Lleras or the Mansion a few years ago. Some working in Poblado were working El Centro. They all started out different ways and different places. Some get plastic surgery, some don't. Some get paid more, some get paid less.

None of that matters. The only thing that matters is:

Are you getting the girls you want at the price you want?

If someone else is spending more on girls you're not interested in, what business is it of yours? If someone else thinks they are getting better girls than you, why worry about it?

Everyone needs to find their own level. What works for you, works for you. It doesn't have to work for everyone. If you have information to share, share it. What other mongers do with it is their business. Stop worrying so much about whether or not they are doing what you want to do.

Hey Surfer,

I am an avid swimmer, in the pool every day. I definitely do not want to miss my laps when in Medellin. Were do you usually swim? Do you know different pools? I once read the one at the sport complex (stadium) is good. Many thanks for your intel.

Hola hombres,

I'm finally heading back to Medellin this week and just wanted to start another discussion topic I've had with a friend here before. Do ya'll have any experience or advice on where / how to find 8's, 9's, and 10's in Colombia?

I've scoured the usual channels and have only found strong 7's at best. I know hotter girls exist because when I go to the mall or higher-end restaurants I'll see the occasional knockout (8's and 9's) while walking around. And I understand everyone's scale is different, I'm saying a 10 is absolute perfection which is like 1 in a million, but 9's and 8's are basically drop-dead gorgeous but not 100% perfect for some reason. Like Shakira in her prime is a 8. 5, or Sophia Vergara in her prime is a strong 9 in my book esp if her body is all-natural. Do these girls even exist at the usual haunts or am I just not looking hard or being patient enough?

I swear even at higher-end places like La Isla or Gusto the highest I've seen is a strong 7. Do you basically just have to get lucky? You'd think in a country with as many beautiful women as here that there'd be more high-end options available (even if it's at a higher price) but I guess they're reserved for the politicians and futbol stars and drug lords or something and tourists don't have the channels open and available to these top-shelf girls?

I really enjoyed this report. I was in Centro yesterday evening. The police had most of the streets connecting to La Oriental between San Antonio and San Diego blocked as if they were expecting an assault on the police station next to the San Jose church. Nothing happened, maybe because rain showers broke out just after dark. Anyway, I cut it short and went home to beat the rain.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2566969]Had a pretty good day, which consisted of a morning session at Ground Zero, lap swimming around lunch time, another late afternoon session at Ground Zero, and back at the ranch for happy hour and dinner.

Today I met one of my regulars in El Centro at 10 AM and took her to Hotel Deseos across from the bus stop for the Airport. The Hotel is very old and very funky. I'm surprised the elevator works in this 8 story building and is so slow it's faster to just use the stairs. The place is at least fifty years old with lots of original wood doors and tile work. No plastic coated melamine doors or cabinets in this place. The rooms have TV's, fans, and are very large, yet with tiny bathrooms.

I've probably been in at least 20 different rooms there, and they all have windows to the outside, cloth drapes and very slippery floors when wet. Today I was lucky I got a room that actually had a showerhead on the shower. I typically take my street urchins to Zona Rosa, no issues, no recording of documents, and 13 K. I also use Premier Plaza but nobody gets in without an ID, and 16 K. And Deseos costs 18 K, the most expensive of the three, but no document checks, and most of the rooms have mirrors on the ceiling. If you like watching your Chica riding you or while she is blowing you, some guys might like this place, but again, it's old and funky like me so I'm right at home..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MSanchez;2567289]I know hotter girls exist because when I go to the mall or higher-end restaurants I'll see the occasional knockout (8's and 9's) while walking around.[/QUOTE]So why did you not talk to them when you were at the mall and higher end restaurants?

[QUOTE=MSanchez;2567289]Hola hombres,

I'm finally heading back to Medellin this week and just wanted to start another discussion topic I've had with a friend here before. Do ya'll have any experience or advice on where / how to find 8's, 9's, and 10's in Colombia?

I've scoured the usual channels and have only found strong 7's at best. I know hotter girls exist because when I go to the mall or higher-end restaurants I'll see the occasional knockout (8's and 9's) while walking around. And I understand everyone's scale is different, I'm saying a 10 is absolute perfection which is like 1 in a million, but 9's and 8's are basically drop-dead gorgeous but not 100% perfect for some reason. Like Shakira in her prime is a 8. 5, or Sophia Vergara in her prime is a strong 9 in my book esp if her body is all-natural. Do these girls even exist at the usual haunts or am I just not looking hard or being patient enough?

I swear even at higher-end places like La Isla or Gusto the highest I've seen is a strong 7. Do you basically just have to get lucky? You'd think in a country with as many beautiful women as here that there'd be more high-end options available (even if it's at a higher price) but I guess they're reserved for the politicians and futbol stars and drug lords or something and tourists don't have the channels open and available to these top-shelf girls?[/QUOTE]Chat them up. They want to fuck, generally speaking, jajaja. I'm going to assume with a Username like yours you speak Spanish. If that isn't true, then you can memorize enough conversational Spanish to seal a deal.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2567200]Stop worrying so much about what other people are doing.

If you prefer to keep your return ticket open and are concerned the airline will give you problems, solve the problem your way based on what works for your situation. If someone else solves it another way, which fits their situation, then be happy they found a solution. If someday their method causes them problems, don't worry about it. You're not their mother.

There is no hooker girl scout guide with all the steps to achieve higher ranks clearly spelled out. Not every chica takes the same path. Some working in El Centro were working in Parque Lleras or the Mansion a few years ago. Some working in Poblado were working El Centro. They all started out different ways and different places. Some get plastic surgery, some don't. Some get paid more, some get paid less.

None of that matters. The only thing that matters is:.[/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with playing peacemaker and the concept of live and let live. Yet I'd say few if any here are "worrying" about how others choose to roll. I'm certainly not. Yet we are here to provide useful information, and most of the readers here never post. The fact that someone can find girls from similar backgrounds, similar attractiveness, often fewer miles and less surgery in Centro venues like the casas and strip clubs at a fraction of the cost of popular venues in and near El Pablado is worth telling. Many may find this information useful, and keep in mind that most members here never post. And I personally know several from these venues that have moved up from these to "higher end" venues. But yes, just because someone may be happy with what they are doing and getting doesn't mean they can't be even happier. I was happy as hell with Costa Rica until I found Colombia. There's no reason to hold back useful information because it may agitate a handful of vocal posters.

Also if someone is scared of their own shadow in Centro it's possible they can get over it, by understanding the true risks and what to do and not to do. I once ran into a NYC cop at a daytime casa and he was scared to go in the strip joint Club Maracaibo at night, calling it "sketchy. " I convinced him the place was plenty safe, just cab it in and out at night and tip the guy out front hailing the cabs. We had traded numbers and he later told me that he went back and had a great time there. He was misinterpreting the place is all.

On the return plane ticket, some are under the impressive that getting a refund from airlines is a big deal, but that's far from my experience when dealing with Jetblue and Spirit for a cancellable return ticket. They must refund if you cancel with 24 hours, federal law. In fact the refund is likely all taken care of by a bot when cancellations are done in that time frame. This is useful information for Americans, even if someone who says differently or has had other experiences wants to bicker about it.

[QUOTE=MSanchez;2567289]Hola hombres,

I'm finally heading back to Medellin this week and just wanted to start another discussion topic I've had with a friend here before. Do ya'll have any experience or advice on where / how to find 8's, 9's, and 10's in Colombia?

I've scoured the usual channels and have only found strong 7's at best. I know hotter girls exist because when I go to the mall or higher-end restaurants I'll see the occasional knockout (8's and 9's) while walking around. And I understand everyone's scale is different, I'm saying a 10 is absolute perfection which is like 1 in a million, but 9's and 8's are basically drop-dead gorgeous but not 100% perfect for some reason. Like Shakira in her prime is a 8. 5, or Sophia Vergara in her prime is a strong 9 in my book esp if her body is all-natural. Do these girls even exist at the usual haunts or am I just not looking hard or being patient enough?

I swear even at higher-end places like La Isla or Gusto the highest I've seen is a strong 7. Do you basically just have to get lucky? You'd think in a country with as many beautiful women as here that there'd be more high-end options available (even if it's at a higher price) but I guess they're reserved for the politicians and futbol stars and drug lords or something and tourists don't have the channels open and available to these top-shelf girls?[/QUOTE]You answered your own question, not sure what to suggest, but seems like you already know where to find them, IE: what did the ones tell you when you seen them at the Mall and high end restaurants? Very curious!

I suspect the true hotties are locked up already by the strata 6 businessman, the narcos, or a foreign sugar daddy. Maybe you can find a single 8 or 9 who is young and hasn't been found yet, but that will take work.

[QUOTE=MSanchez;2567289]Hola hombres,

I'm finally heading back to Medellin this week and just wanted to start another discussion topic I've had with a friend here before. Do ya'll have any experience or advice on where / how to find 8's, 9's, and 10's in Colombia?

I've scoured the usual channels and have only found strong 7's at best. I know hotter girls exist because when I go to the mall or higher-end restaurants I'll see the occasional knockout (8's and 9's) while walking around. And I understand everyone's scale is different, I'm saying a 10 is absolute perfection which is like 1 in a million, but 9's and 8's are basically drop-dead gorgeous but not 100% perfect for some reason. Like Shakira in her prime is a 8. 5, or Sophia Vergara in her prime is a strong 9 in my book esp if her body is all-natural. Do these girls even exist at the usual haunts or am I just not looking hard or being patient enough?

I swear even at higher-end places like La Isla or Gusto the highest I've seen is a strong 7. Do you basically just have to get lucky? You'd think in a country with as many beautiful women as here that there'd be more high-end options available (even if it's at a higher price) but I guess they're reserved for the politicians and futbol stars and drug lords or something and tourists don't have the channels open and available to these top-shelf girls?[/QUOTE]

Hahahaaaa.

So by your scale there are 3 tens in MDE, and you want to know where these 3 people hang out? I am imagine they would stay at home. Its sounds like it could be quite dangerous for them to go out if there are only 3 of them. Haha.

[QUOTE=MSanchez;2567289]Hola hombres,

I'm finally heading back to Medellin this week and just wanted to start another discussion topic I've had with a friend here before. Do ya'll have any experience or advice on where / how to find 8's, 9's, and 10's in Colombia?

I've scoured the usual channels and have only found strong 7's at best. I know hotter girls exist because when I go to the mall or higher-end restaurants I'll see the occasional knockout (8's and 9's) while walking around. And I understand everyone's scale is different, I'm saying a 10 is absolute perfection which is like 1 in a million, but 9's and 8's are basically drop-dead gorgeous but not 100% perfect for some reason. Like Shakira in her prime is a 8. 5, or Sophia Vergara in her prime is a strong 9 in my book esp if her body is all-natural. Do these girls even exist at the usual haunts or am I just not looking hard or being patient enough?

I swear even at higher-end places like La Isla or Gusto the highest I've seen is a strong 7. Do you basically just have to get lucky? You'd think in a country with as many beautiful women as here that there'd be more high-end options available (even if it's at a higher price) but I guess they're reserved for the politicians and futbol stars and drug lords or something and tourists don't have the channels open and available to these top-shelf girls?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MSanchez;2567289]Hola hombres,

I'm finally heading back to Medellin this week and just wanted to start another discussion topic I've had with a friend here before. Do ya'll have any experience or advice on where / how to find 8's, 9's, and 10's in Colombia?

I've scoured the usual channels and have only found strong 7's at best. I know hotter girls exist because when I go to the mall or higher-end restaurants I'll see the occasional knockout (8's and 9's) while walking around. And I understand everyone's scale is different, I'm saying a 10 is absolute perfection which is like 1 in a million, but 9's and 8's are basically drop-dead gorgeous but not 100% perfect for some reason. Like Shakira in her prime is a 8. 5, or Sophia Vergara in her prime is a strong 9 in my book esp if her body is all-natural. Do these girls even exist at the usual haunts or am I just not looking hard or being patient enough?

I swear even at higher-end places like La Isla or Gusto the highest I've seen is a strong 7. Do you basically just have to get lucky? You'd think in a country with as many beautiful women as here that there'd be more high-end options available (even if it's at a higher price) but I guess they're reserved for the politicians and futbol stars and drug lords or something and tourists don't have the channels open and available to these top-shelf girls?[/QUOTE]Been to Medellin 4 times in the last 10 years and I piss you not. The hottest Colombians I've seen and fucked have been in Costa Rica and Panama. I've seen 9 a but what I consider 9's. Might not be what you call a 9.

For me Shakira is a 5 and Sofia V in prime a 6. Not my style. You've heard it kid. Beauty in the eye of the beholder.

Never stop looking.

[QUOTE=Bastardito;2567230]Hey Surfer,

I am an avid swimmer, in the pool every day. I definitely do not want to miss my laps when in Medellin. Were do you usually swim? Do you know different pools? I once read the one at the sport complex (stadium) is good. Many thanks for your intel.[/QUOTE]Well I don't get in my typical 5 to 6 swims a week while in Medellin, yet make up for it with all the time spent pounding the pavement in El Centro, and although I don't get as much upper body workout missing swimming or surfing everyday, my lower extremity takes and gives a pounding in lieu of this when I'm not getting wet!

For swimming you can go Estado the major sports complex and see what their hours are and which pools are open, I have been allowed to swim there for free at times, and at other times you can pay. The public sports complexes are administered by Inder I believe and you should go to their website for more information. Some of the pools at Estadio are very deep for diving.

I personally go to the sports complex in Bellen administered by Inder as well, it's called Unidad Deportes and they have two pools there. The pools are typically open between 8 AM and 4 PM everyday, but free swim I think is after 11 AM on the weekends due to swim school. Also best to avoid the pool between 12 and 1 PM on weekdays due to the swim groups / masters during lunch hour. You can swim there for free but have to have a lane line reservation thru their website which I can't figure out so I just pay the 8,500 COP which is expensive but just show up whenever I want.

Other pools include one at University EAFIT if your a student it's free and is not open to the public. There's also a water park near the local airport with pools but odd hours.

There are hot outdoor showers in Bellen, and they keep the water on the cool side just under 80 degrees which is perfect for swimming, and after about a 100 meters it feels great and is refreshing versus a warm pool. Probably very few board members can relate to this, but it's kind of like the difference between a wet and dry Chica!

I don't know where you hail from, but it might take you a day to acclimate to the altitude.

A good day in Medellin starts with blowing a load in the morning. Swimming laps mid-day, followed by blowing another load, and than happy hour, followed by a nice dinner.

That's my perfect day, and I try repeat this day in and day out but sometimes I get sidetracked.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2567311]So why did you not talk to them when you were at the mall and higher end restaurants?[/QUOTE]Some of the women here are so stunning it can be intimidating to approach them.

Especially if your fat and ugly and / or an old geezer like me.

Sometimes all you can do is just stare with that deer in the headlights look!

[QUOTE=MSanchez;2567289]...........

Do ya'll have any experience or advice on where / how to find 8's, 9's, and 10's in Colombia?
...........
I swear even at higher-end places like La Isla or Gusto the highest I've seen is a strong 7
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[/QUOTE]I think you are looking at wrong places. Here you go.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2566712]...........
I'm going to keep repeating this and support those who's experienced the same. I've met [size=5]8's, 9's and 10's in [b]Centro[/b][/size]
...........[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2567343]I suspect the true hotties are locked up already by the strata 6 businessman, the narcos, or a foreign sugar daddy. Maybe you can find a single 8 or 9 who is young and hasn't been found yet, but that will take work.[/QUOTE]I'm sure this dynamic is at play in every major city in the world, I don't think you will find.

Them on SA or even stoopidly priced escort agencies in NYC London Tokyo Geneva.

Does anyone remember Elliot Spitzer paying 5 k for that puta 15 yrs ago, Ashley Dupree.

I wouldn't give you $50 for her, and his net worth is 500 M.

There aren't many 10's in this world, and even fewer of them hooking, and the handful that are, are not working the open market, or SA.

IE, most strip clubs are very dark for a very good reason LMAO.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2567389]I think you are looking at wrong places. Here you go.[/QUOTE]Go to the Metro station. Or a restaurant. Or pretty much anywhere. Medellin has more 10's per square inch than almost anywhere on earth. If you're not seeing any 10's you probably need to look at Europe or Asia.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2567343]I suspect the true hotties are locked up already by the strata 6 businessman, the narcos, or a foreign sugar daddy. Maybe you can find a single 8 or 9 who is young and hasn't been found yet, but that will take work.[/QUOTE]I feel most putas fall into this category, 0.01% are so elite (true outliers), they don't even work in Dubai or Monaco.

And not many at the very bottom either, nobody wants them for free, so how can they sell it.

95% are in the bell curves center.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj3jPE04nGM[/URL]

Ergo, a puta is a puta is a puta.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2567343]I suspect the true hotties are locked up already by the strata 6 businessman, the narcos, or a foreign sugar daddy. Maybe you can find a single 8 or 9 who is young and hasn't been found yet, but that will take work.[/QUOTE]This reply is spot on. Most classy upper strata 10's (using your definition of what a 10 is) are not available for P4 P or one night stand. It is like going to LA and expecting to hook up with a 20 year old 10 from Beverly Hills (or some rich neighborhood). Highly unlikely. Most won't even be seen taking to an extranjero. If you just want eye candy, best place for these girls are not malls or metros but Pobaldo gyms. I can give you some gym names if you PM me.

Clubs like la Isla and rarely Fase II will have a 10 but they are short lived.

Best part of Medellin for me is a high number of college age 8's. They are fun, need money and overall a joyful experience. Best wishes on your trip.

Like in almost every country the 10's will not be hookers and will be married to rich locals. Obviously you may get the odd exception.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2566983]
I prefer petite no ink no implants no babies, under 25 yo.[/QUOTE]Add slim and modest student look (little make up, no heels) and your are right on.

[QUOTE=MSanchez;2567289]Hola hombres,

I'm finally heading back to Medellin this week and just wanted to start another discussion topic I've had with a friend here before. Do ya'll have any experience or advice on where / how to find 8's, 9's, and 10's in Colombia?

I've scoured the usual channels and have only found strong 7's at best. I know hotter girls exist because when I go to the mall or higher-end restaurants I'll see the occasional knockout (8's and 9's) while walking around. And I understand everyone's scale is different, I'm saying a 10 is absolute perfection which is like 1 in a million, but 9's and 8's are basically drop-dead gorgeous but not 100% perfect for some reason. Like Shakira in her prime is a 8. 5, or Sophia Vergara in her prime is a strong 9 in my book esp if her body is all-natural. Do these girls even exist at the usual haunts or am I just not looking hard or being patient enough?

I swear even at higher-end places like La Isla or Gusto the highest I've seen is a strong 7. Do you basically just have to get lucky? You'd think in a country with as many beautiful women as here that there'd be more high-end options available (even if it's at a higher price) but I guess they're reserved for the politicians and futbol stars and drug lords or something and tourists don't have the channels open and available to these top-shelf girls?[/QUOTE]My two pesos on this.

All the hotties are way overrated. I was talking with a German guy in El Centro the other day and he was showing me pictures of two of his "hotties" and said one dumped him because she found a younger better looking guy, and the other kept asking for things and money all the time.

So if you get beyond a women's face, I personally will take an average looking girl any day of the week with a killer body that is nasty, loving, and into it, than waste my time looking for a trophy fuck. Too much bullshit and maintenance associated with them in my book.

But everybody is different.

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2567467]Add slim and modest student look (little make up, no heels) and your are right on.[/QUOTE]A couple of the zillion farang hot sauce addicts I did in BKK.

[QUOTE=Bastardito;2567230]Hey Surfer,

I am an avid swimmer, in the pool every day. I definitely do not want to miss my laps when in Medellin. Were do you usually swim? Do you know different pools? I once read the one at the sport complex (stadium) is good. Many thanks for your intel.[/QUOTE]I also am an avid swimmer. It's been a while but the Medellin Aquatic Centre is beside the Stadium. It is huge. You will need a lycra bathing suit. And I think a cap though they may have waived it for me. It's been a while so you might want to check if that's right. Also if you swim in the big Olympic pool be warned that there are no ladders out. So for an old relic like me that can be a challenge. The locker situation was tricky also so make sure you don't take anything you don't want to lose. At least till you figure out the ropes.

[QUOTE=MSanchez;2567289]Hola hombres,

I'm finally heading back to Medellin this week and just wanted to start another discussion topic I've had with a friend here before. Do ya'll have any experience or advice on where / how to find 8's, 9's, and 10's in Colombia?

I've scoured the usual channels and have only found strong 7's at best. I know hotter girls exist because when I go to the mall or higher-end restaurants I'll see the occasional knockout (8's and 9's) while walking around. And I understand everyone's scale is different, I'm saying a 10 is absolute perfection which is like 1 in a million, but 9's and 8's are basically drop-dead gorgeous but not 100% perfect for some reason. Like Shakira in her prime is a 8. 5, or Sophia Vergara in her prime is a strong 9 in my book esp if her body is all-natural. Do these girls even exist at the usual haunts or am I just not looking hard or being patient enough?

I swear even at higher-end places like La Isla or Gusto the highest I've seen is a strong 7. Do you basically just have to get lucky? You'd think in a country with as many beautiful women as here that there'd be more high-end options available (even if it's at a higher price) but I guess they're reserved for the politicians and futbol stars and drug lords or something and tourists don't have the channels open and available to these top-shelf girls?[/QUOTE]{ Like Shakira in her prime is a 8. 5 }.

If she was not a 10 in her prime than I guess it is not to be found.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2567200]Stop worrying so much about what other people are doing.

If you prefer to keep your return ticket open and are concerned the airline will give you problems, solve the problem your way based on what works for your situation. If someone else solves it another way, which fits their situation, then be happy they found a solution. If someday their method causes them problems, don't worry about it. You're not their mother.

There is no hooker girl scout guide with all the steps to achieve higher ranks clearly spelled out. Not every chica takes the same path. Some working in El Centro were working in Parque Lleras or the Mansion a few years ago. Some working in Poblado were working El Centro. They all started out different ways and different places. Some get plastic surgery, some don't. Some get paid more, some get paid less.

None of that matters. The only thing that matters is:

Are you getting the girls you want at the price you want?

If someone else is spending more on girls you're not interested in, what business is it of yours? If someone else thinks they are getting better girls than you, why worry about it?

Everyone needs to find their own level. What works for you, works for you. It doesn't have to work for everyone. If you have information to share, share it. What other mongers do with it is their business. Stop worrying so much about whether or not they are doing what you want to do.[/QUOTE]Spot on. Nuff said!

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2567467]Add slim and modest student look (little make up, no heels) and your are right on.[/QUOTE]Jjbee you really put the nail in that coffin. So many egos on here LOL and theyre not even otg arguing about frivilous sh*t!

Hit 5 chicas yesterday with the help of sidenofilu, finished with 3 of them. One of them, christina, was a little universitaria like you guys describe, pale classic paisa face, maybe 100 lbs 5 ft, top notch pussy. Objectively a solid 8. 30 k plus 7 k room. Willl be a repeat. She was sitting on the brown ledge of the veracuz clear walkway. So much talent out here it's unreal. It's like there's a factory somewhere pumping out flaca universitarias everyday.

On a side note, can't wait till all the non pros on the metro / in the mall / on the street stop the obssessive outdooor mask bullshit so I can see some pretty faces and get a nice rotation going. Not worth the tinder bullshit when you can just skip the small talk and go to centro straihgt up. sure the lower strada chicas in prado dgaf but i want some pristine high strada cooch

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2567511]Jjbee you really put the nail in that coffin. So many egos on here LOL and theyre not even otg arguing about frivilous sh*t!

Hit 5 chicas yesterday with the help of sidenofilu, finished with 3 of them. One of them, christina, was a little universitaria like you guys describe, pale classic paisa face, maybe 100 lbs 5 ft, top notch pussy. Objectively a solid 8. 30 k plus 7 k room. Willl be a repeat. She was sitting on the brown ledge of the veracuz clear walkway. So much talent out here it's unreal. It's like there's a factory somewhere pumping out flaca universitarias everyday.

On a side note, can't wait till all the non pros on the metro / in the mall / on the street stop the obssessive outdooor mask bullshit so I can see some pretty faces and get a nice rotation going. Not worth the tinder bullshit when you can just skip the small talk and go to centro straihgt up. sure the lower strada chicas in prado dgaf but i want some pristine high strada cooch[/QUOTE]Spoken like a true "El Centro Street Rat".

[QUOTE=Norbert61;2567507]I also am an avid swimmer. It's been a while but the Medellin Aquatic Centre is beside the Stadium. It is huge. You will need a lycra bathing suit. And I think a cap though they may have waived it for me. It's been a while so you might want to check if that's right. Also if you swim in the big Olympic pool be warned that there are no ladders out. So for an old relic like me that can be a challenge. The locker situation was tricky also so make sure you don't take anything you don't want to lose. At least till you figure out the ropes.[/QUOTE]See my earlier post, Unidad Deportes Bellen is my go to pool, totally different than Estadio and I know all the employee's, at least they all know me by name. They have baskets for your clothes and it's all locals that use the place.

Glad to find out there are other board members that like to get wet!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2567494]My two pesos on this.

All the hotties are way overrated. I was talking with a German guy in El Centro the other day and he was showing me pictures of two of his "hotties" and said one dumped him because she found a younger better looking guy, and the other kept asking for things and money all the time.

So if you get beyond a women's face, I personally will take an average looking girl any day of the week with a killer body that is nasty, loving, and into it, than waste my time looking for a trophy fuck. Too much bullshit and maintenance associated with them in my book.

But everybody is different.[/QUOTE]I prefer 8's, but will take an obsequious / subservient cute 7, any day.

[URL]https://stricturism.wordpress.com/2017/05/12/a-note-on-sex-women-and-marriage-to-my-son-on-his-21st-birthday/[/URL]

I try to avoid 9 and 10 putas, they are just predators hunting the weak.

Also love to swim. Thats one of the reasons I choose Sta Marta over MDE. I am a pussy and the water is too cold for me in MDE. .

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2567552]Glad to find out there are other board members that like to get wet![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2567449]Like in almost every country the 10's will not be hookers and will be married to rich locals. Obviously you may get the odd exception.[/QUOTE]I would say about 99% of the 10's. Age 18-29 are taken by rich husbands, rich sugar daddies, rappers, celebrities. Etc.

[QUOTE=MSanchez;2567289]I've scoured the usual channels and have only found strong 7's at best. I know hotter girls exist because when I go to the mall or higher-end restaurants I'll see the occasional knockout (8's and 9's) while walking around. And I understand everyone's scale is different, I'm saying a 10 is absolute perfection which is like 1 in a million, but 9's and 8's are basically drop-dead gorgeous but not 100% perfect for some reason. Like Shakira in her prime is a 8. 5, or Sophia Vergara in her prime is a strong 9 in my book esp if her body is all-natural. Do these girls even exist at the usual haunts or am I just not looking hard or being patient enough?[/QUOTE]With your definition I have not seen a 10. Tell me how you would rate these women.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2567574]Also love to swim. Thats one of the reasons I choose Sta Marta over MDE. I am a pussy and the water is too cold for me in MDE. .[/QUOTE]I got my first scuba diving certification in Santa Marta 11 years ago. That water is not exactly warm. San Andres and White Beach in Cartagena are perfect though!

I knew a guy who died in a Rolls Royce (Poblado), later that evening another friend of mines died while having an accident in his Pinto (Centro). The death certificate (Medellin) for both read, cause of death: auto accident (Vagina). Believe it or not, an address and location does not make you a 10. The ghetto doesn't stop you from being a 10. I have yet to see a chic in Medellin that was P4 P that the average American could not pay for their services. The only reason Americans and foreigners put a number on a girl is to justify why they pay so much. I have seen flat booty chics in Beverly Hills and I have seen the best assets in the ghetto. Unless the flat booty chics of Beverly Hills turns you on and defines your 10, beauty will always be in the eye of the beholder.

We are far too old to be classifying vagina as regular, mid, and high grade vagina. It is just something about those of us who have a firm command of the English language, that makes us put these incredible adjectives at the beginning or the end of the girl who we saw, so that we can amplify our adventure. Some of us can do it with the greatest of ease, others are frustrated when our stories are not believable by everyone who reads them. One thing that I will state in this post is this, if you are out here looking for vagina that you describe as high class or high end, clearly your bankroll is big enough to bang any chic that you desire. In my 4 years of traveling to Medellin I have yet to meet a chic who would turn down $300 USD, $1,100,000 pesos for a 3 hole, bareback, 4 hours or more session. Others will tell you different, but notice, I said, I have not met any chic who was turning down $1,100,000 pesos. So if spending big money on vagina is your thing and it makes you feel as though it is high class, there are more than enough chics in Poblado at Gustos to satisfy your needs and take your cash. My Medellin philosophy is this, everything that occurs in Poblado, also occurs in Centro. Pollo Negro is out!

P.S.: The beginning of this post is simplified by saying, whether you stay in Poblado or Centro, in which both are located in Medellin, if you have sufficient money, the outcome is the same, you will be able to afford to almost every vagina in Medellin. Be safe, have fun, continue to monger. Pollo Negro is out.

[QUOTE=MSanchez;2567289]Hola hombres,

I'm finally heading back to Medellin this week and just wanted to start another discussion topic I've had with a friend here before. Do ya'll have any experience or advice on where / how to find 8's, 9's, and 10's in Colombia?...[/QUOTE]The hottest girls I have banged in Medellin have been in Loutrons.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2567552]See my earlier post, Unidad Deportes Bellen is my go to pool, totally different than Estadio and I know all the employee's, at least they all know me by name. They have baskets for your clothes and it's all locals that use the place.

Glad to find out there are other board members that like to get wet![/QUOTE]Thanks Surfer. That sounds way easier.

If you have any doubts about how the prepagos see us, I found this meme on ones FB page and I am fairly sure that a picture paints a thousand words.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2567590]With your definition I have not seen a 10. Tell me how you would rate these women.[/QUOTE]Looking at these nines and tens is like a breath of fresh air.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2567669]Looking at these nines and tens is like a breath of fresh air.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2567590]With your definition I have not seen a 10. Tell me how you would rate these women.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MSanchez;2567289]Hola hombres,

I'm saying a 10 is absolute perfection which is like 1 in a million, but 9's and 8's are basically drop-dead gorgeous but not 100% perfect for some reason. Like Shakira in her prime is a 8. 5, or Sophia Vergara in her prime is a strong 9 in my book esp if her body is all-natural. Do these girls even exist at the usual haunts or am I just not looking hard or being patient enough?

[/QUOTE]Knowing what is out there and then reading your definition of 8's and 9's (because obviously 10's are more a matter of taste and preference) I, like Elvis have to wonder what you think of these?

I would not turn down about any of them. I particularly like #1 and #3. Classic Paisas. The last one is not my cup of tea. But I'd say that girls are clearly in the upper range. I'm not even sure what I'd call a 10, but to me, almost all of them are in the 8/8. 5 range. Very nice.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2567590]With your definition I have not seen a 10. Tell me how you would rate these women.[/QUOTE]

I've seen that page also. Any page that has prominent fotos of money, guns, or drugs. I stay away.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2567646]If you have any doubts about how the prepagos see us, I found this meme on ones FB page and I am fairly sure that a picture paints a thousand words.[/QUOTE]

You are correct of course. The Carib Sea off Sta Marta is a little cool. But I don't swim in the sea, I swim in the pools. : ) Mucher warmer than the pools in MDE.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2567620]I got my first scuba diving certification in Santa Marta 11 years ago. That water is not exactly warm. San Andres and White Beach in Cartagena are perfect though![/QUOTE]

I find it great that people can have such wildly different taste. If we all chased the same girls, life would be a nightmare. :).

These are not my type at all. Nothing wrong with them if that's what you like. But for me, they are ten a-penny, girl next door. They all look the same. I find nothing interesting in the white Paisa girl look.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2567677]Knowing what is out there and then reading your definition of 8's and 9's (because obviously 10's are more a matter of taste and preference) I, like Elvis have to wonder what you think of these?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2567677]Knowing what is out there and then reading your definition of 8's and 9's (because obviously 10's are more a matter of taste and preference) I, like Elvis have to wonder what you think of these?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't waste a bullet on any of them for free, unless I just got out of prison.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2567590]With your definition I have not seen a 10. Tell me how you would rate these women.[/QUOTE]But I don't like any of them, I like to think of myself as an expert, at reading putas.

A picture is worth a 1000 words, a few look too old, a few look bitchy.

I'm all about finding the "pleasers" none of those look like they are, I don't want any of them even for free.

I'm guessing PH would be more fun, at least for me.

Here are a couple of my fav 18 yo farang jizz addicts from BKK.

24/7 BBFS.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2567682]I would not turn down about any of them. I particularly like #1 and #3. Classic Paisas. The last one is not my cup of tea. But I'd say that girls are clearly in the upper range. I'm not even sure what I'd call a 10, but to me, almost all of them are in the 8/8. 5 range. Very nice.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't get near any of them. If there not obese, deaf and / or dumb / mute, at least eight months pregnant, are a sacalero, wear an eye patch, or look like a beached whale, they don't fit my profile.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2567497]A couple of the zillion farang hot sauce addicts I did in BKK.[/QUOTE]Issues uploading.

18 yo German hot sauce addicts.

BKK BBFS 24/7.

I am here in MDE for the month of June. Trip started out rocky. My AirBnB got cancelled the day I arrived. AirBnB is going to "punish" the host. I got a good deal and I assume she cancelled because someone offered her more without any AirBnB costs. So I had to patch together places to stay. Dann Carlton for two nights. Hotel Haven for 4 nights. My normal apartment in Laureles for 6 nights. 4 nights in Poblado rentals. Santa Marta for 4 nights. Poblado Rentals again and finishing up back at my Laureles apartment. Geez. As long as I have a pool or jacuzzi, I'm OK.

I will say that I liked the hotel haven. I had a small room, but the service was very good. I enjoyed the roof-top heated pool and it's so close to Parque Lleras. The price was right. And lots of candy coming and going. No chicas fees as long as you stick to the room maximum. My room held two people. It was OK to have 2 or 3 chicas at different times of the day, but never 2 at once unless I paid an extra 100 mil.

I am trying to pace myself with chicas. Averaging one a day, although I have seen two a day twice. I am seeing some regulars (pro and non-pro) as well as a couple of girls I haven't seen in a while. I finally have time to see some new chicas. And they are willing accept my price which I can assure you is not the normal 200+ for FB girls. Had several BBFS. A nice BBBJ / CIM. It's been fun so far.

The curfew is done as of yesterday, so things should be getting fun again, for those who like to go out. When I was in Lleras last weekend, a few big restaurants (like Basilica) were closed, but most of the bars were open.

More details to follow. Tomorrow I am being a charitable monger and am going to volunteer with Angeles de Medellin and go up the mountain. Should be a nice experience. Run by a gringo. They do good work. And maybe I will find a hottie there! My non-pro is rewarding me for my service to her community when I return.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2567753]I am here in MDE for the month of June. Trip started out rocky. My AirBnB got cancelled the day I arrived. AirBnB is going to "punish" the host. I got a good deal and I assume she cancelled because someone offered her more without any AirBnB

costs. So I had to patch together places to stay. Dann Carlton for two nights. Hotel Haven for 4 nights. My normal apartment in Laureles for 6 nights. 4 nights in Poblado rentals. Santa Marta for 4 nights. Poblado Rentals again and finishing up back at my Laureles apartment. Geez. As long as I have a pool or jacuzzi, I'm OK.

I will say that I liked the hotel haven. I had a small room, but the service was very good. I enjoyed the roof-top heated pool and it's so close to Parque Lleras. The price was right. And lots of candy coming and going. No chicas fees as long as you stick to the room maximum. My room held two people. It was OK to have 2 or 3 chicas at different times of the day, but never 2 at once unless I paid an extra 100 mil.

I am trying to pace myself with chicas. Averaging one a day, although I have seen two a day twice. I am seeing some regulars (pro and non-pro) as well as a couple of girls I haven't seen in a while. I finally have time to see some new chicas. And they are willing accept my price which I can assure you is not the normal 200+ for FB girls. Had several BBFS. A nice BBBJ / CIM. It's been fun so far..[/QUOTE]I'll be at the haven in August, can't wait! Any tips and recommendations are appreciated!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2567368]Some of the women here are so stunning it can be intimidating to approach them.

Especially if your fat and ugly and / or an old geezer like me.

Sometimes all you can do is just stare with that deer in the headlights look![/QUOTE]Because I know a stunning chica would attract you and not deter you, jaja.

Probably the most unnecessary, self-defeating characteristic a mongerer can carry with him to Medellin from the states is Fear of Failure. There is simply no reason to angst over being rejected by chicas in Colombia. Nobody bats a thousand, but the success rate is so high even with regular gorgeous non-prepago girls that all you need is some short term memory loss and move on to the next girl. Your efforts will be rewarded by the most gorgeous girls you can imagine spreading their legs, sticking their asses in the air, and planting their lips wherever you want.

Some random gratuitous fotos of one of my steady prepagos, Purrfekt Piel, petite, no tats, no implants, no piercings, no babies, 23 years old, student, has a job, fucks like a bunny rabbit. Whassaps me four times a week asking when will me and my wallet be returning to MDE, jajajaja.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2567677]Knowing what is out there and then reading your definition of 8's and 9's (because obviously 10's are more a matter of taste and preference) I, like Elvis have to wonder what you think of these?[/QUOTE]These girls are all right up my alley. Same taste as you. All 8's and 9's for my taste. These are girls I can fall for.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2567714] They all look the same. I find nothing interesting in the white Paisa girl look.[/QUOTE]Why monger in Medellin if you are not interested in Paisa? Medellin is Paisa. There are other areas of Colombia that are not the vast majority Paisa below shows the different areas.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2567805]Why monger in Medellin if you are not interested in Paisa? Medellin is Paisa. There are other areas of Colombia that are not the vast majority Paisa below shows the different areas.[/QUOTE]No need to go to Medellin for Paisa's.

I remember while in Santa Fe in Bogota they had one bar that supposedly only had Paisa's, at least that's what the barker for the bar was saying out front.

As a general rule, I don't. And if I do, then I usually choose local morenas or from other areas. There are plenty of non-whites.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2567805]Why monger in Medellin if you are not interested in Paisa? Medellin is Paisa. There are other areas of Colombia that are not the vast majority Paisa below shows the different areas.[/QUOTE]

Why so caught up on looks? I get it but it's folly. Perhaps if you can only make a trip or two a year and your home life is so boring or baron or you're getting played even by mediocre women at home then you need the "I can screw 9's whenever I want" fall back. I understand that. But there's nothing worse than bad sex with a good looking girl. If you're lucky you'll build a stable of girls that turn you on and are humble and decent and treat you well.

Mojo,

Girls look beautiful.

Where did you find them?

I just got my subscription and damn it why did I wait so long as just the access to the photos you guys post bis worth it.

Some of my observations after blasting thru almost 200 pages of photos in the Medellin section alone are.

1. I love me some pussy.

2. Some of you guys are fucking a lot.

3. I have been to Medellin 4 times and by far the hottest women anywhere.

4. Did I say I love me some pussy.

Cannot wait as I will arrive back in Medellin on June 21 -July 8 Lets Go!

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2567825]If you're lucky you'll build a stable of girls that turn you on and are humble and decent and treat you well.[/QUOTE]And if they happen to also be gorgeous, we won't hold that against them jajajaja.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2567825] But there's nothing worse than bad sex with a good looking girl.[/QUOTE]Jajajaja especially if she wasn't inexpensive.

Bad sex with an avg girl is bad enough, but at least the wallet impact is less LOL.

I'm less about optics and more about tangibles, like how hard she can take an ass pounding.

And how enthusiastically she fucks my ass with her tongue etc.

Can she deepthroat 100% and hold it there?

I've stayed at Poblado Rentals for years in Med. Can you guys suggest any other places, that have a private jacuzzi & is chica friendly? No Hotels please. Going to visit in late July TIA.

I'm willing to stay in Poblado, Laureles & Envigado.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2567825]Why so caught up on looks? I get it but it's folly. Perhaps if you can only make a trip or two a year and your home life is so boring or baron or you're getting played even by mediocre women at home then you need the "I can screw 9's whenever I want" fall back. I understand that. But there's nothing worse than bad sex with a good looking girl. If you're lucky you'll build a stable of girls that turn you on and are humble and decent and treat you well.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with you. I have a friend who was here for quite a while and he likes the 18-21 year olds, no kids, good looks, great bodies and very few (better none) tattoos. But those girls don't have much experience. They are very pretty and can make dates at will so they show up late they just lay there and expect you to be thrilled that they would even bother to be with you.

Then there are the mid 20's to early 30's maybe not quite as incredible looking as they were a few years back but they don't take anything for granted and they try to overwhelm you with pleasure so they can turn you into a regular. Some of those girls are 7+s or 8's and not the 9's they used to be. They totally make up for the difference by their experience and effort.

To each their own.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2567740]Issues uploading.

18 yo German hot sauce addicts.

BKK BBFS 24/7.[/QUOTE]With some of my deutsch hot sauce as a digestif.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2567740]Issues uploading.

18 yo German hot sauce addicts.

BKK BBFS 24/7.[/QUOTE]And all 3 holes dripping my cum jajajajajaaaaaaaa.

[QUOTE=Mateocast98;2567580]I would say about 99% of the 10's. Age 18-29 are taken by rich husbands, rich sugar daddies, rappers, celebrities. Etc.[/QUOTE]The dimes guys like us can find in foreign countries for $, us 40-60+ year old farts are going to be the newly 18 year olds, in college from the poor hoods who hasnt yet discovered her beauty or the power of it.

Girls become confident once they discover themselves in order to become models, to dress better, be on instagram, on bigo live, making porn movies, whoring etc. Until that self-discovery happens, which can a simple bigo live acct, then suddenly noticing 250 k followers in a month and 1000's of viewers once she goes live with endless comment on how beautiful she is. This does the magic, confidence is skyrocketd, she'll climb the high horse and now ready to use the "power of the pussy" so to speak.

The term "power of the pussy" discovery, I picked it up from a porn interview with a famous porn star. She was naive, quiet at first, didn't know what she had until she lost her virginity and started hanging out in bars after leaving parents home, and discovered every man wanted to fuck her every where she goes dressed up nicely. Women abuse men bc of this "power", hence why prostitution is the oldest profession in the world. It's nothing new. We'll always be the ones paying.

Bottom line, try getting those 10's before they "discover" themselves, before they start using their "pussy power". But they are out there, shy, virgins, hair undone, no money to dress nice, and waiting discovery. Those are the ones we can meet. Perhaps in Lleras rarely and in other spots when they first migrate from Venezuela. But I have seen them around.

I had a basic room, but they do have bigger rooms with jacuzzis, which would be nice. You can bring more than one chica to the pool. But if you have more than one chica in your room (and it's a room for two), you must pay 100 mil. And they have cameras. The pool bar has good drinks and they serve food, which was good. It's just a few blocks from Parque Lleras, so it's convenient. BanColombia and Crepes why Wafles right around the corner. You could bring five chicas a day to your room as long as it's only one at a time. A trio will cost you the 100 mil fine.

[QUOTE=ThebMan;2567758]I'll be at the haven in August, can't wait! Any tips and recommendations are appreciated![/QUOTE]

If you get tired of her, I'll take her. She's just my type. Young, clean, studies, and great fuck.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2567770]Some random gratuitous fotos of one of my steady prepagos, Purrfekt Piel, petite, no tats, no implants, no piercings, no babies, 23 years old, student, has a job, fucks like a bunny rabbit. Whassaps me four times a week asking when will me and my wallet be returning to MDE, jajajaja.[/QUOTE]

Smashed that anorexic girl today, the like 4 ft 8 girl that weighs 80 lbs that hangs in front of the museum. BBBJ. Surfer I'm sure you've been with her hahaha. Really sweet girl, 24 yo, the novelty of fucking a near midget is that your dick looks massive LOL. And then went with a girl standing by the arepa stand selling lollipops 25 k both, 6 k room. Gave 30 k each because I didn't have change. (Oh no he's driving up the price!)
almost every sw i offer a drink at the st motel check in, it's like 2-3k and it makes the session alot better imo. The more rapport you build before the condom goes on the better ime

Been going to zandaly every midday, still the best casa around imo. havent even bothered checking cuba, amigas sexy, and dulce which are usually good. Hard sevens and 8's always, full lineup, GFE and nice rooms. 50 k 30 min. get there at 1130 and beat the lunch crowd. All of the clubs at night are popping off, 95% of guys there just watch the strip shows and drink, so the girls are fresh if you get there before like 830-9.

Saw an older guy in a hiking hat with the flaps and a turkey trot 4 k shirt talking everybody up with a heavy american accent, he didn't give a fuck it was grreat. But there are so many girls out in 4 square blocks it's unbelievable.

Talent wise I still think santa fe has mde beat but here sessions here are much better, more quantity, no annoying knocks on the door early and your dick isn't shriveled at night from the weather.

The vennies have been the best, they work the hardest ime because almost all of them send money back to their families. im no commie but i might have to write maduro a thank you note for all the girls who would normally be in university

For the past two weeks I have been at ground zero almost every morning and afternoon and am burned out.

It does get old after awhile, even for a street rat.

Everyday is a repeat, with no shortage of Chicas to dump loads in!

I'm headed to the Coast where a bounty of sex awaits me.

Swimming in the ocean, dining on seafood nightly, and watching the beautiful sunsets.

Life doesn't get much better than this!

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2567981]Smashed that anorexic girl today, the like 4 ft 8 girl that weighs 80 lbs that hangs in front of the museum. BBBJ. Surfer I'm sure you've been with her hahaha. Really sweet girl, 24 yo, the novelty of fucking a near midget is that your dick looks massive LOL. [/QUOTE]I have done my share of skinny and very tight spinners in El Centro, and I know which one your talking about.

I have checked her out many, many times, and she has long black hair, and she's so small and tiny, and yes, a borderline midget.

I can only imagine how tight she is, maybe you should of barebacked her!

I actually thought about going with her, but I'm not sure if she could take all the lumber! LOL.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2567753]I am here in MDE for the month of June. Trip started out rocky. My AirBnB got cancelled the day I arrived. AirBnB is going to "punish" the host. I got a good deal and I assume she cancelled because someone offered her more without any AirBnB costs. So I had to patch together places to stay. Dann Carlton for two nights. Hotel Haven for 4 nights. My normal apartment in Laureles for 6 nights. 4 nights in Poblado rentals. Santa Marta for 4 nights. Poblado Rentals again and finishing up back at my Laureles apartment. Geez. As long as I have a pool or jacuzzi, I'm OK.

I will say that I liked the hotel haven. I had a small room, but the service was very good. I enjoyed the roof-top heated pool and it's so close to Parque Lleras. The price was right. And lots of candy coming and going. No chicas fees as long as you stick to the room maximum. My room held two people. It was OK to have 2 or 3 chicas at different times of the day, but never 2 at once unless I paid an extra 100 mil.

I am trying to pace myself with chicas. Averaging one a day, although I have seen two a day twice. I am seeing some regulars (pro and non-pro) as well as a couple of girls I haven't seen in a while. I finally have time to see some new chicas. And they are willing accept my price which I can assure you is not the normal 200+ for FB girls. Had several BBFS. A nice BBBJ / CIM. It's been fun so far.

The curfew is done as of yesterday, so things should be getting fun again, for those who like to go out. When I was in Lleras last weekend, a few big restaurants (like Basilica) were closed, but most of the bars were open.

More details to follow. Tomorrow I am being a charitable monger and am going to volunteer with Angeles de Medellin and go up the mountain. Should be a nice experience. Run by a gringo. They do good work. And maybe I will find a hottie there! My non-pro is rewarding me for my service to her community when I return.[/QUOTE]Your mailbox full. . no worries,

Great report!

I will be arriving at Haven for 10 days. J uly 1-10 I saw one person said there were parties after 2 am next door to his room every night. Which I can handle if I am prepared for it. LOL also would a non-pro or a seeking A girl freak out seeing lots of girls coming and going? It sounded kind of busy with girls coming and going. I am also ok with this but I think my friends could feel uncomfortable. I would probably get a secondary place if needed to avoid if it's looking like a working girl house.

Don't mind staying there but I try to look respectable. LOL.

Any input appreciated.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2567981]Smashed that anorexic girl today, the like 4 ft 8 girl that weighs 80 lbs that hangs in front of the museum.[/QUOTE]I got news for you, your midget fetish is now fulfilled, jajaja. I have seen her and on your recommendation I am going to smash her next time I am there which should be soon.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2568003]Your mailbox full. . no worries,

Great report!

I will be arriving at Haven for 10 days. J uly 1-10 I saw one person said there were parties after 2 am next door to his room every night. Which I can handle if I am prepared for it. LOL also would a non-pro or a seeking A girl freak out seeing lots of girls coming and going? It sounded kind of busy with girls coming and going. I am also ok with this but I think my friends could feel uncomfortable. I would probably get a secondary place if needed to avoid if it's looking like a working girl house.

Don't mind staying there but I try to look respectable. LOL.

Any input appreciated.[/QUOTE]It never looked like a working girl house, and last time I was there, there was a family staying there too, as in kids which surprised me. It's mostly at night if you are in the lobby, to notice the working girls coming in. Overall it's a fun hotel, but yeah the walls are not completely soundproof, so you will definitely hear music or whatever your neighbor is watching on tv if loud enough.

I'll be back next week.

First, thanks for letting me know about my mailbox. I had no idea. I cleared out some stuff.

I had no issues with noise, but I imagine that would be possible.

Actually, I though the comings and goings were fairy discreet. There were several folks in the hotel who were not mongering, including a big group of folks (including wives) from Florida and a few gay couples. I would not call this a "mongering" hotel, per se, although I'd say there were probably 4 of us in the hotel at the time.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2568003]Your mailbox full. . no worries,

Great report!

I will be arriving at Haven for 10 days. J uly 1-10 I saw one person said there were parties after 2 am next door to his room every night. Which I can handle if I am prepared for it. LOL also would a non-pro or a seeking A girl freak out seeing lots of girls coming and going? It sounded kind of busy with girls coming and going. I am also ok with this but I think my friends could feel uncomfortable. I would probably get a secondary place if needed to avoid if it's looking like a working girl house.

Don't mind staying there but I try to look respectable. LOL.

Any input appreciated.[/QUOTE]

I am taking my 2nd trip to Medellin shortly.

First time, I stayed at Mansion. It went well.

I hope to stay there again for part of the trip. However, they are already sold out for some of the days I will be in Medellin.

As an alternative, I am considering booking Energy Living on Airbnb or Hotel Haven.

Which do you believe is better? I have never been to either place. Which is better neighborhood? Are they both in safe areas? Are they far from the Mansion?

Howard.

I have stayed at both. It is not even a comparison for me. Hotel Haven for sure. They have actual amenities and central in location. Energy is a nice building but not walking distance to anything. Also the security of being in a good hotel can't be beat. I used to be an Airbnb guy in Medellin but not anymore. Tired of Potrero BS. Now I chose a girl friendly hotel with views.

Over the years, I wrote many times about this. I go to Medellin for girls, weather and views. My trips are short but frequent. I keep the hassle to minimum.

[QUOTE=Rwaters;2568092]I am taking my 2nd trip to Medellin shortly.

First time, I stayed at Mansion. It went well.

I hope to stay there again for part of the trip. However, they are already sold out for some of the days I will be in Medellin.

As an alternative, I am considering booking Energy Living on Airbnb or Hotel Haven.

Which do you believe is better? I have never been to either place. Which is better neighborhood? Are they both in safe areas? Are they far from the Mansion?

Howard.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2568091]First, thanks for letting me know about my mailbox. I had no idea. I cleared out some stuff.

I had no issues with noise, but I imagine that would be possible.

Actually, I though the comings and goings were fairy discreet. There were several folks in the hotel who were not mongering, including a big group of folks (including wives) from Florida and a few gay couples. I would not call this a "mongering" hotel, per se, although I'd say there were probably 4 of us in the hotel at the time.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. I have been in Haven with my business team members including women and non monger friends. No one ever felt uncomfortable. The hotel events actually seem to cater to rich locals and there don't seem to be an issue. The rooms are not cheap so the crowd reflects that, which is nice. I also wrote about Provenza lofts, around the corner. More budget, lots of jacuzzi options but no views. Best wishes to all and I am thrilled that CO is open.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2568103]I have stayed at both. It is not even a comparison for me. Hotel Haven for sure. They have actual amenities and central in location. Energy is a nice building but not walking distance to anything. Also the security of being in a good hotel can't be beat. I used to be an Airbnb guy in Medellin but not anymore. Tired of Potrero BS. Now I chose a girl friendly hotel with views.

Over the years, I wrote many times about this. I go to Medellin for girls, weather and views. My trips are short but frequent. I keep the hassle to minimum.[/QUOTE]What do you like about haven over hotel M?

Pros vs Cons for both.

I'll be staying at Hotel M for my first trip.

Is there a website for Haven?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2567862]With some of my deutsch hot sauce as a digestif.[/QUOTE]OK, got to ask, where is this girl from? Bangkok?

Leaving why Cartagena now after a nice stay unfortunately sorry to report many first hand reports of druggings from mongers. Be careful.

One dude drugged in a nice club in Medellin El Centro for an IPhone apparently. Took several days to recover. He had lived in Medellin for years.

I stayed at Haven and its a good hotel but there's one really annoying guy that works night shifts that forces you to come downstairs and sign the girl in instead of just calling and sending her up. The rest of them just call or just send them up once they check the cedula.

So I book a local travel guide to show me around, and with people reporting drugging of visitors I think it's the right thing to do. Does anyone have experience with a person named (passport dog) he wants $130 USD for 4 days of guiding.

[QUOTE=Rwaters;2568092]I am taking my 2nd trip to Medellin shortly.

First time, I stayed at Mansion. It went well.

I hope to stay there again for part of the trip. However, they are already sold out for some of the days I will be in Medellin.

As an alternative, I am considering booking Energy Living on Airbnb or Hotel Haven.

Which do you believe is better? I have never been to either place. Which is better neighborhood? Are they both in safe areas? Are they far from the Mansion?

Howard.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2568103]I have stayed at both. It is not even a comparison for me. Hotel Haven for sure. They have actual amenities and central in location. Energy is a nice building but not walking distance to anything. Also the security of being in a good hotel can't be beat. I used to be an Airbnb guy in Medellin but not anymore. Tired of Potrero BS. Now I chose a girl friendly hotel with views.

Over the years, I wrote many times about this. I go to Medellin for girls, weather and views. My trips are short but frequent. I keep the hassle to minimum.[/QUOTE]I agree with 90% of what Vitrea says, as for location and amenities, Hotel Haven is by far better, and the location cannot be beat for walking out the door and having walking distance access to several restaurants, shops, bars, etc etc, I just wanted to add that anyone who finds themselves looking at an Airbnb in Energy for whatever reason,

There is a good security team that works the building (head of security was walking around with a cannon in his holster that looked like it might be a Dessert Eagle). They are thorough about checking the chicas Cedulas.

While it is nothing like being at Hotel Haven for being able to walk to so many restaurants, there is a Carulla supermarket about 300 meters south (I walked it and I am fat, old and out of shape), and there is a shopping center about 100 meters down the hill on the opposite side of the street that has among other things 3 ATMs, a pharmacy and a selection of restaurants, such as Japanese (Kabuki), Argentinian (La Pampa Parrilla), a casual fare lunch spot called Pecositas, a fast casual Chinese place (123 wok), a good burger place (Fire House) , Subway, Papa Johns Pizza, and an El Bunuelo (Colombian donuts)

The views from the roof and the apartments on the high floors are remarkable as evidenced by the photos below that were taken from there.

[QUOTE=JaredMark333;2568157]I stayed at Haven and its a good hotel but there's one really annoying guy that works night shifts that forces you to come downstairs and sign the girl in instead of just calling and sending her up. The rest of them just call or just send them up once they check the cedula.[/QUOTE]Very annoying I agree, but nothing a 5 $ tip every now and then, would probably would fix that problem! Did you try this? Weird because sounds like it's only him doing it, he's probably looking for something!

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2568203]I agree with 90% of what Vitrea says, as for location and amenities, Hotel Haven is by far better, and the location cannot be beat for walking out the door and having walking distance access to several restaurants, shops, bars, etc etc, I just wanted to add that anyone who finds themselves looking at an Airbnb in Energy for whatever reason,

There is a good security team that works the building (head of security was walking around with a cannon in his holster that looked like it might be a Dessert Eagle). They are thorough about checking the chicas Cedulas.

While it is nothing like being at Hotel Haven for being able to walk to so many restaurants, there is a Carulla supermarket about 300 meters south (I walked it and I am fat, old and out of shape), and there is a shopping center about 100 meters down the hill on the opposite side of the street that has among other things 3 ATMs, a pharmacy and a selection of restaurants, such as Japanese (Kabuki), Argentinian (La Pampa Parrilla), a casual fare lunch spot called Pecositas, a fast casual Chinese place (123 wok), a good burger place (Fire House) , Subway, Papa Johns Pizza, and an El Bunuelo (Colombian donuts)

The views from the roof and the apartments on the high floors are remarkable as evidenced by the photos below that were taken from there.[/QUOTE]Mojo thanks for always your awesome reports on this site, did I not here at one point energy building completely stopped all quests in building? Has it went back to normal or did it never change?

Thanks man, very appreciated. Nothing beats a daily swim / eat / fuck / swim / eat / fuck sleep cycle. I know, nobody wants to read my crap, except maybe for the passionate swimmers amongst us. They perfectly understand.

And I agree with 100% of what Mojo said. Every place has its pros and cons. Thank you for highlighting the positives of Energy. Well said.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2568203]I agree with 90% of what Vitrea says, as for location and amenities, Hotel Haven is by far better, and the location cannot be beat for walking out the door and having walking distance access to several restaurants, shops, bars, etc etc, I just wanted to add that anyone who finds themselves looking at an Airbnb in Energy for whatever reason,

There is a good security team that works the building (head of security was walking around with a cannon in his holster that looked like it might be a Dessert Eagle). They are thorough about checking the chicas Cedulas.

While it is nothing like being at Hotel Haven for being able to walk to so many restaurants, there is a Carulla supermarket about 300 meters south (I walked it and I am fat, old and out of shape), and there is a shopping center about 100 meters down the hill on the opposite side of the street that has among other things 3 ATMs, a pharmacy and a selection of restaurants, such as Japanese (Kabuki), Argentinian (La Pampa Parrilla), a casual fare lunch spot called Pecositas, a fast casual Chinese place (123 wok), a good burger place (Fire House) , Subway, Papa Johns Pizza, and an El Bunuelo (Colombian donuts)

The views from the roof and the apartments on the high floors are remarkable as evidenced by the photos below that were taken from there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2568203]... and there is a shopping center about 100 meters down the hill on the opposite side of the street that has among other things 3 ATMs, a pharmacy and a selection of restaurants, such as Japanese (Kabuki), Argentinian (La Pampa Parrilla), a casual fare lunch spot called Pecositas, a fast casual Chinese place (123 wok), a good burger place (Fire House) , Subway, Papa Johns Pizza, and an El Bunuelo (Colombian donuts) [/QUOTE]Love 123 Wok. May fave Asian food place in MDE. Can't beat their Arma Tu Wok as a takeaway.

That would annoy the hell out of me too.

I was in Guadalajara few weeks ago. Stayed at RIU and Westin. The elevators there need a key card so the girl can't come up unless you go down. That is so annoying. I tried leaving my extra card with the bellboy so he can send the girl up. H was happy to do because of the tips. Some supervisor saw it and put a stop to it. Grrrr.

I am going to be in Medellin sometime in June. Likely I will stay at Haven at least for a few days. I will ask the manager why they are doing that to some guests and not all. Could be good intel.

[QUOTE=JaredMark333;2568157]I stayed at Haven and its a good hotel but there's one really annoying guy that works night shifts that forces you to come downstairs and sign the girl in instead of just calling and sending her up. The rest of them just call or just send them up once they check the cedula.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Shawn6430;2568114]What do you like about haven over hotel M?

Pros vs Cons for both.

I'll be staying at Hotel M for my first trip.

Is there a website for Haven?[/QUOTE]I've never stayed at Haven hotel, however I've been to Hotel M. It appears the basic price is about the same. Judging from the website the rooms are nicer at Haven, although Hotel M has done some remodeling since I was there.

For a first time visitor I would recommend Hotel M over Haven. It will give you the opportunity to build up a list of girls and there will be Medellin vets to show you the ropes. For a return visit Haven looks like an excellent option to me. If I didn't have other plans I would probably be staying there a few days next week.

Makes complete sense to stay at hotel M for your first trip. I did too 8 years ago. Have a great time. You will have friendly mongers that will show you the ropes. Other hotels are for more independent mongers or for married mongers who need a legit tourist / business hotel address for people back home. He he. :-)

[QUOTE=Shawn6430;2568114]What do you like about haven over hotel M?

Pros vs Cons for both.

I'll be staying at Hotel M for my first trip.

Is there a website for Haven?[/QUOTE]

I thought that giving myself about 2 months on the ground, I'll come out owning a piece of Colombian paradise / real estate. I'm almost there! Haha. Within a week of landing in Medellin back in April, I picked out a brand new 3 bed /2 bath 28th floor apartment with amazing view for about $80 k USD or about 300 million pesos in Bello. Six weeks later, the only issue is a discrepancy in the registration papers of the storage utility space that comes with the apartment. A very minor issue, but I can't sign the deed until it's corrected. Apt purchase includes parking space that can fit a car or 2-3 motos. I gave power of attorney to my lawyers so they can sign any paperwork while I'm away for the next few weeks. Money from US to Colombia has been transferred, converted, and registered legally to a Colombian investment account. The law firm I hired were very prompt, professional, and proactive in requesting, checking and analyzing all the paper work pertaining to the apartment. Hope that when I get back in July, I'll have keys on hand and next steps would be to furnish the damn thing. I'll do my best to make it into a classy and comforting bachelor pad (wink, wink)z

[QUOTE=RacShack;2568212]Mojo thanks for always your awesome reports on this site, did I not here at one point energy building completely stopped all quests in building? Has it went back to normal or did it never change?[/QUOTE]I believe that was Blue that went chica unfriendly.

[QUOTE=Shawn6430;2568200]So I book a local travel guide to show me around, and with people reporting drugging of visitors I think it's the right thing to do. Does anyone have experience with a person named (passport dog) he wants $130 USD for 4 days of guiding.[/QUOTE]Sounds like being drugged would be cheaper.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2568212]Mojo thanks for always your awesome reports on this site, did I not here at one point energy building completely stopped all quests in building? Has it went back to normal or did it never change?[/QUOTE]I am not positive but I think you might be confusing Energy and Blux, it was a while back during the holiday weekend lockdowns that one BM reported to me that while he would have preferred to stay at Blux they had stopped allowing guests in. So he stayed at Energy because they were but they were not allowing them during the lockdowns.

[QUOTE=Shawn6430;2568200]So I book a local travel guide to show me around, and with people reporting drugging of visitors I think it's the right thing to do. Does anyone have experience with a person named (passport dog) he wants $130 USD for 4 days of guiding.[/QUOTE]When I stayed at the Mansion, one of the guests introduced me to a guide who I believe also said he was a professor. I have his contact info on Whatsapp. Send me a PM and I will provide it to you.