Moscow

[QUOTE=Rugga;2658546]Yes mamba and tinder are trash. All dating apps are a waste of time. Mamba is the worst. I wasted a lot of time swiping and only got hard core gold diggers and scammers. The MILF I had met on my previous trip to Kiev at some local bar she was ok to meet in Moscow.[/QUOTE]I the like to second Rugga. I extensively used mamba and tinder and came to the same conclusion. The worst gold diggers are on tinder and mamba. (Same in Ukraine). These two apps attract all the scammers as well. This means that some women look like pros according to their photos but it does not mean they actually fuck. They want your money and they don't want to do anything in return. Tinder has been marketed by some US media as a casual sex app. This is BS. This is just a manipulation. You don't know who hides behind these girls. I think that the women of tinder and Mamba are even worse than the gold diggers you find in night clubs of Moscow. In general, all the predators are online. This means, asexual women who want to make money out of men but will never have sex. Lesbian women also who pretend to have sex with you and total psychotic women as well. They all have something in common. They are all sexually deceptive. They make you believe that you are going to have sex and in the end, you get nothing. Also, don't believe you are going to meet a semi pro on these apps. Today, I think that the best Russian women never join Tinder and Mamba. That's it.

Don't be lured by photos on Tinder and Mamba. You are going to waste your time and money. Forget it.

Guys don't waste your time with these apps. Visit websites where you can find pros in Russian, agencies, and places where you can find prostitutes (nightclubs, bars, restaurants):

Example: a restaurant in Moscow with prostitutes:

[URL]https://www.tripadvisor.ru/ShowUserReviews-g298484-d2405766-r358908435-Night_Flight-Moscow_Central_Russia.html[/URL]

For your information, I met women who were on mamba in the local population. I understood that you find on tinder and mamba all the women that nobody wants to fuck. It is plain and simple. By the way, I think the problem is worldwide with Tinder. I think this app is incredibly overrated and I think it is a scam.

[QUOTE=HenriDufresne;2658745]Example: a restaurant in Moscow with prostitutes:

[URL]https://www.tripadvisor.ru/ShowUserReviews-g298484-d2405766-r358908435-Night_Flight-Moscow_Central_Russia.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]Russian reviews are hilarious, thanks I had a good laugh.

[QUOTE=Jarjarmissa;2658012]Cannot reply on his behalf but according to my experience Mamba apps is the right one. It is the one I use in Russia instead of Tinder or else.

The recommendations I can make are:

- Spend time to get to know who writes. There a mix between agencies, independent escort, serious women (looking for husband) and easygoing girls (with support).

The border between escort and girl with support is tiny but clearly exists on Mamba.

- Escort: not a big deal, from 8 K rbls per hour to 50 K, it is a market place where you find what you want.

- Easy-going girl with support: AMOF Russian women like being treated like Princess. They like beautiful places, champagne, good dinner, flowers. If you give this, you will get hot sex in return. But sometimes it is borderline as the same easy going girl will ask 15 K rbl for a dinner with you. She is not an escort but she likes to meet with sugar daddy who will invite AND give her money to buy things. Do not treat her as an escort, or be ready to forget the after dinner part..[/QUOTE]Yes all this is true. I would like to add that the Russian men only treat women like princess till the women reach 30. In Russia women is considered old after 30 and the local men just upgrade and get new 'devoshka', also after this age the ladies enter the international dating / scam market wherein some are looking for long term but most are looking to extract revenge for previous failed relationships. My friend lost thousands of dollars to multiple ladies on sites such as pay per letter scam sites, fake meetings based in high end restaurants, money for visa & passport for a meeting that never materializes, green-card girls and so on. Rich Russian guys have single wife but couple of mistresses, few escorts and few sugar babies on rotation in month and this is the model they have suggested me to go forward with if you are in Russia for prolong periods of time.

Just FYI. It's either "devushka" (young woman) or "devochka" (literally small girl, but used colloquially for young female lovers, or as affectionate).

[QUOTE=CallSignRomeo;2659423]Yes all this is true. I would like to add that the Russian men only treat women like princess till the women reach 30. In Russia women is considered old after 30 and the local men just upgrade and get new 'devoshka', also after this age the ladies enter the international dating / scam market wherein some are looking for long term but most are looking to extract revenge for previous failed relationships. My friend lost thousands of dollars to multiple ladies on sites such as pay per letter scam sites, fake meetings based in high end restaurants, money for visa & passport for a meeting that never materializes, green-card girls and so on. Rich Russian guys have single wife but couple of mistresses, few escorts and few sugar babies on rotation in month and this is the model they have suggested me to go forward with if you are in Russia for prolong periods of time.[/QUOTE]I want to second you. After 30 years old, former pros join tinder, mamba, a camgirl website or a dating agency. They claim they worked as a makeup artist and travelled the world. They claimed they studied finance, management, medicine. The profile of these Russian scammers is always the same. The goal is to find a nice blue pilled simp who will accept to financially support her. I have also noticed that Rich Russian guys had several mistresses. However, I have never noticed that they behaved like sugar daddies. Those girls are only pros. They accept sex in exchange for money. Once you get out of this scheme, you take the risk of being scams because in Eastern Europe, there are also many fake escorts. These women behave like escorts, they get dressed like escorts but they never have sex. They just want the man to pay. Thus, you must be very straight forward with Russian woman. If you get into chit chat and sentimental relationship you take the risk of being scammed.

[QUOTE=Rugga;2657511]Plan was to visit salons choose from a line up. In these days texted about 20 Salons and Indy's (in Russian) but mostly got no reply. Started to wonder why so many ads on rusdosug etc if the women aren't responding.[/QUOTE]I also ask myself why to bother in setting up an ad in such site, if you don't pick the phone and don't reply to sms. Either 1-she has found a sugar dad / boyfriend who is consuming all of her time, or 2- she changed the profession and left the ad there. Well, the 3rd possibility would be something liker she got caught by undercover cop playing the client and they confiscated her phone (where she used to answer calls / messages), but I guess it's rather one of the first 2 options. Nothing against you dorogaya, be happy, but maybe you could delete your ad and phone number from the directory. The mongers thank you.

[QUOTE=HenriDufresne;2660734]I want to second you. After 30 years old, former pros join tinder, mamba, a camgirl website or a dating agency. They claim they worked as a makeup artist and travelled the world. They claimed they studied finance, management, medicine. The profile of these Russian scammers is always the same. The goal is to find a nice blue pilled simp who will accept to financially support her. I have also noticed that Rich Russian guys had several mistresses. However, I have never noticed that they behaved like sugar daddies. Those girls are only pros. They accept sex in exchange for money. Once you get out of this scheme, you take the risk of being scams because in Eastern Europe, there are also many fake escorts. These women behave like escorts, they get dressed like escorts but they never have sex. They just want the man to pay. Thus, you must be very straight forward with Russian woman. If you get into chit chat and sentimental relationship you take the risk of being scammed.[/QUOTE]And permit me to second YOU HD. Very well explained. If you think about it, agreeing to have sex for money is pretty straight forward. But to string a man along and slowly extract money from him in the form of gifts, expensive dinners, cash and travel WITHOUT sex in exchange, that takes a bit of talent!!

[QUOTE=SanGaetano;2662329]I also ask myself why to bother in setting up an ad in such site, if you don't pick the phone and don't reply to sms. Either 1-she has found a sugar dad / boyfriend who is consuming all of her time, or 2- she changed the profession and left the ad there. Well, the 3rd possibility would be something liker she got caught by undercover cop playing the client and they confiscated her phone (where she used to answer calls / messages), but I guess it's rather one of the first 2 options. Nothing against you dorogaya, be happy, but maybe you could delete your ad and phone number from the directory. The mongers thank you.[/QUOTE]There are lot of fake ads on the various sites due to the following reasons- some of the independent ladies only meet with high value Slavic men who speak Russian fluently and who would support them on monthly basis so as soon as they find couple of men the number goes silent for few months. Also some Russian women hire small time detectives to catch their cheating partners who in turn place ads on these sites so that they can trace the phone number of these men if they had called earlier to book any of escorts / service providers. Local men tend to avoid this by buying sim from local central Asian flea market.

Corruption is rife in most cities in Russia and local police take commission from local salon / bordellos on daily / weekly basis. It is not uncommon to see police car stationed few hundred meters from salon / bordello to monitor the customers from that place. Police do indeed target such salons after receiving complaints from locals but only after informing the salon owners and the girls. They also post ads to look for known criminals who use this kind of services as some ladies ask for face calls before meetings. There are also software marketers who post these ads on telegram groups and other online sites who work on monthly contract but fail to update the number even though the number stopped working few weeks ago.

Some years ago, I used to meet pros and semi pros in the nightclubs of Moscow. I had to spend a significant amount of money going out. Then, during the covid19, I extensively used camgirl websites. I collected instagram and whatsapp accounts of Russian camgirls.

Advantages:

= What you see is what you get. No photoshopped pictures.

= You find fresh semi pros or non pros. This is very exciting.

= You can choose your type.

= you can chat with her beforehand.

Disadvantages:

= This is the most expensive solution to find escorts because you must pay before you meet the woman. First you may pay during a private chat session or several chat session, you may pay to obtain the whatsapp or instagram of the model.

= Because of the international market, There is a tendency for camgirls to ask for high prices when it is time to meet in the real world.

= Camgirl may live far away from Moscow. Russia is a big country. You would have to pay her the trip to Moscow. Once again, a new expense!

My try:

Met a camgirl online, She sold her whatsapp for 80 euros. I spent 100 euros in chat. I had to pay for the trip to Moscow. I don't remember how much I paid. Then, we met at an AirBNB in Moscow, covered Blowjob. Doggystyle. It was ok. It cost me 150 euros which is the gringo price not the local price.

Conclusion:

Meeting Camgirls isn't the best solution. This leads to many expenses for an uncertain outcome. Conversely, if you find a semi pros in a nightclub or a restaurant, which will be possible after the covid19, you will be able to save a substantial amount of money while being able to chat with the woman beforehand.

Advice if you choose this technique:

Please guys don't mention any names of any camgirl website on internationalsexguide so that our activities remain unnoticed by the camgirl websites. Share this message to other guys in case you decide to share your review about it.

Don't chit chat online, be straightforward. If you speak Russian, ask for a mongering offer via audio. If you don't speak Russian, use google translate and copy paste your offer in Russian. Don't say "I want sex against money" in the private chat session because someone from the website can read this.

Give her a hint during a chat. Tell her something like:

We could have fun in real life against a gift.

Don't mention any price. I discover I was tempted to offer an above market offer.

If you must create an instagram, snapshat, don't be dumb don't share your real name in the nickname.

Thanks for the insights.

I just wonder how can she knows if I or other monger is a high value Slavic sugar man who speaks Russian fluently if she 1-does not pick the phone and 2-does not read the sms (which was written in perfect Russian)? My second phone (where I deal with WGs has no avatar photo, and my messengers there don't have profile photo either). For the record: I don't want be a sugar person, I just want fun and then goodbye. No strings attached. Just my opinion as I know a Russian guy who in deed has a soderzhanka on the side, and seems to be happy with that, and according to him she does not have other men.

About corruption, yes I also heard about that, actually it's impossible for the police for not knowing the salonis in Peter for example, as the city in full of them. In Moscow it's a different story, they are more hidden from the public eye, it looks there is still some kind of fear of law enforcement, but I am talking about old school sex salonis with girls v ocheredi, not gentlemen strip clubs.

[QUOTE=CallSignRomeo;2662658] There are also software marketers who post these ads on telegram groups and other online sites who work on monthly contract but fail to update the number even though the number stopped working few weeks ago.[/QUOTE]Yes, some of the numbers seem to be just dead. It's not a question of her picking up or not.

[QUOTE=HenriDufresne;2663766]
My try:

Met a camgirl online, She sold her whatsapp for 80 euros. I spent 100 euros in chat. I had to pay for the trip to Moscow. I don't remember how much I paid. Then, we met at an AirBNB in Moscow, covered Blowjob. Doggystyle. It was ok. It cost me 150 euros which is the gringo price not the local price.
[/QUOTE]Good post. Although I'm amazed that she came there, could have just kept the money she already got. I wonder if this financial question or about being raised to be honest, to be obliged to fulfill one's own words in agreements? I ask this because I would like to learn if Russian women trustworthy in this regard. Mamba girls for example.

Expect a low success rate = 5%.

In send a private message, I start in English, I start speaking about porn and then I switch to Russia and make a suggestion. I do this so that if a third party reads the chat without understanding Russian, he will think we speak about something else by reading the sentences in English.

It is very difficult to formulate. You must avoid speaking about money but she must understand you.

So, at the beginning, I said I am looking for a woman who would like to accompany me and have fun. I'd pay for this service. Still, I am not satisfied with this technique. When the woman said no, I always left my social media account that matched with her.

For instance, if she said no, I answered:

Thank you I don't bother you anymore, if you change your mind, my instagram / snapshat / telegram is.

Sometimes camgirls sell their snap, instagram, whatsapp. You can buy a social media account but then, it could be a pure sunk cost if after sending a PM on a social media, the woman say no, I m not interested in escorting.

Also some women work for a studio, they can't say they are interested because they are monitored.

Then, we should share either instagram, snap. Or a phone number for telegram or whatsapp. When you are on instagram, snap, telegram, whatsapp you can be straightforward; not before. Except twitter, no social media accounts are managed by a studio of a camgirl. Studios don't invest into smartphones and phone number.

The disadvantages of the technique:

I I think it is very important to make her understand that she will benefit from the deal. If you don't speak about money, they would be no benefits. She may tell you she is not interested because she does not see any benefit.

Advice:

Be as precise as you can, mention that you live in a neighborhood of Moscow, and look for company to make her understand that it is possible.

I am sorry it is a work in progress.

[QUOTE=Desin;2664031]Good post. Although I'm amazed that she came there, could have just kept the money she already got. I wonder if this financial question or about being raised to be honest, to be obliged to fulfill one's own words in agreements? I ask this because I would like to learn if Russian women trustworthy in this regard. Mamba girls for example.[/QUOTE]Trust is a big issue in Russia.

I didn't pay everything upfront, I paid equivalent of 75 euros first and then 75 euros upon arrival. But still you are right I could have lost 75 euros. But in general this is the same on camgirl websites. You can spend a lot of money without getting anything in return.

To me the Mamba girls are the least trustworthy women in Russia. You find on this website, lazy women who want to make money by doing nothing. They look for a sugar daddy relationship in which they will give nothing in return. On camgirl websites, at least, they perform sex shows. They do something.

I think that in Russia all scammers are on Tinder and Mamba. I call them the fake pros. The fake prostitutes. Fake prostitutes wear fit dresses, they have big lips, they have a lot of makeup but they do nothing. They refuse to escort men and you must be extremely careful. These women claim that they are pros, they conn you into paying first. Then, you get nothing in return.

On mamba, you find the woman who want to go to the restaurant for free. The psychologically twisted women that nobody wants to date. The undercover lesbians. The most common one, the women who are looking for a financial provider coming from a western country. It is now the same on tinder.

Mamba and Tinder are overrated. They are scams to me.

I have collected contacts in Mamba, but the difference is that the women you describe are the ones I avoid. I don't like their looks.

That method of yours considering camgirls is nice. Do you specifically target new girls, or more seasoned ones?

[QUOTE=Desin;2664527]I have collected contacts in Mamba, but the difference is that the women you describe are the ones I avoid. I don't like their looks.

That method of yours considering camgirls is nice. Do you specifically target new girls, or more seasoned ones?[/QUOTE]There are no rules from this point of view. You can really be surprised. For instance, an experienced camgirl may be totally reluctant to meet you while a fresh 20-year old is very motivated.

Apart from this, I have several things to say about camgirls and especially social medias.

I think that Instagram, Telegram and snapshat are gold mines. Twitter isn't because when a camgirl works for a studio, her twitter account is managed by the studio. Facebook is packed with fake pros or men who impersonate women, stay away from facebook. No pros are on Vk as well.

The social medias of the first group allows you to send private messages without risks. These social medias maximize your chances of success let me explain you why. They are all linked to the smartphone phone number of a girl. The smartphone is a personal thing. So, you can be sure that nobody else will read your messages. With hindsight, I tell myself that we should not be too pushy when we chat on camgirl websites. Employees these camgirl websites can read us. They could stop accepting people to exchange instagram, close your account, suspend the camgirl account, remove the link to an instagram account. Also, the least you chat on camgirl websites and the cheaper it costs you. Some websites allow you to send a PM to the camgirl on the website against a tip. So, then, you can get her instagram and then, from the instagram, you make your offer.

For your information, I have two phones. One for kinky things with instagram, snapshat account with pros with and one for official things. I just found it handy. By the way, the suggestions on instagram are maybe a gold mine too. However, Most of these women have private profiles and they must accept your friend request first.

So, once you are on her list and once you can send her a message, that's it, you can make her a detailed offer. I have several things to add about it. Camgirls are not like regular pros. They are often paranoid. So, you may likely need to meet her in a neutral place like a mall or a coffee shop first. Suggest to meet her in a coffee shop or a mall first because she may never met a customer before in real life. On Russian websites, some liars tell scammer stories or horror stories to Russian girls and you should make her feel comfortable.

So, you should not chit chat. Personally I am always polite on instagram in a PM, I say thing like: "Hello, I hope you had a nice day" and then I go straight to the point because I know these women need work. Usually, these women don't make an offer. So don't burn your wings, be aware of the prices. If she does not want, did you suggest to meet in a neutral place first? Tell her that you don't want to bother her everything would be find, that she would be paid on the spot.

Some girls don't live in Moscow. They may live around Moscow or further. It is always easier to visit them than visiting you. However, I always check one thing for safety matter. I always check if the camgirl has a boyfriend or husband. If she has one, I stay away from it because I know that Russian couples are the first to mastermind a plan to scam you. In general, I check if there are other people out of sight who interact with the camgirl. If there are it is a big no because it could be a trap. So, for instance, I check if I can see the hands of the camgirl when she types because somebody out of sight may chat with you while the camgirl is doing her show.

It is quite easy to stay away from toxic people because you can assess the situation before meeting the girl. Also, you can stop communicating with a girl whenever you want.

I like the fact that unlike regular pros from classified ads, you are never face a fait accompli. Let me explain. When you visit a pro staying in a hotel room, you may not have seen her before. You don't know her at all. You don't know what she thinks what she agrees to do. With camgirls you can chat with her beforehand.

To me it is still a work in progress.