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[QUOTE=Tryntry;2145625]Yes, I knew that going in but her service was way above the normal bar girls. I had bargained another girl from the same bar for $50ST, but she ended up to be a dead fish.
But that's the fun of what we do. Sometimes good sometimes bad, sometimes you over pay, sometimes you luck out.[/QUOTE]Hi.
I meet a nice girl at Black cat bar a couple of mounth ago. She wanted 30 USD for ST.
I think the barfine was 10 USD.
BL.
A post after a long time, and I see this PP thread sounding just like the one for Pattaya. Mongers lamenting over prices. Get over it guys. People pay what they think they should and what they can afford. There is no more science to this, than a bar of soap.
I have a question for expats living here or mongers who have frequented PP several times. I have visited 3 times and I am no expert.
April 29 is the Visaka Bucha day. What does this mean for bars, girls and alcohol? I know what happens in Thailand but I do not want to extrapolate that knowledge to this market.
[QUOTE=ButtLover;2145654]Hi.
I meet a nice girl at Black cat bar a couple of mounth ago. She wanted 30 USD for ST.
BL.[/QUOTE]Sorry had to do it but did you mean. Met a nice girl a couple of "mouths" ago? Seems like Freud is slipping again. LOL.
It looks like Yang Mei on st 252 is being squeezed.
It was open this afternoon but only a handful of masseuses were present. Possibly the more desperate ones. And they were in their street clothes.
I took a new one (blonde) and after considerable time-wasting with a pointless attempt at massage and numerous phone calls she indicated she would have to check downstairs if sex was allowed. She came back and told me no, not on the premises, but we could use the guest house across the road ($5). She offered to pay for the room herself but by then I wasn't interested as all the bad signs were there: pathetic massage, telephone, moaning about money etc. She wanted me to take her mobile number as she seemed keen to do home visits.
Downstairs I paid the $7 and the papa / mama confirmed what she had told me.
Given that they were still open it looks like they are being leaned on by the powers that be, looking to increase their tea money rather than to close them down altogether.
It may blow over. If not they will be back to turning street tricks which is where most of them came from.
I also noticed that most of the pimps were absent, just the doorman and two tuktuk drivers on the street.
[QUOTE=Tryntry;2145625]Yes, I knew that going in but her service was way above the normal bar girls. I had bargained another girl from the same bar for $50ST, but she ended up to be a dead fish.
But that's the fun of what we do. Sometimes good sometimes bad, sometimes you over pay, sometimes you luck out.[/QUOTE]The range of prices is quite wide depending on how much the girl needs the money, the bar she works in, and how much she likes the customer.
If she quotes a very high price it is her polite way of telling you she doesn't want to go with you. Even if you agree to this high price she's likely to give you a very basic service.
If you stagger into the bar half drunk wearing old clothes and smelling bad, she will adjust her prices up accordingly. Though if you go too far the other way and arrive wearing an expensive watch, jewelery and tell her you are staying in a hotel she knows is very expensive then similarly she will initially quote a high price.
The girls really do place a lot of importance in your personal presentation, whether you buy them just one drink or three, and how you treat them when you are negotiating a price with them (do not negotiate aggressively).
The last week of any month is when you will get cheaper prices. The girls have run out of money and need some to pay for food and make up.
In Phnom Penh hostess bars the ST price that the girls are happy with is from $30-$60 depending on the factors above, long time from $40-80. Yes some girls ask for (and sometimes get) $100 for ST or LT. That's up to you if you think that girl's energy, enthusiasm and beauty is worth it.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2142276]Please tell me where you are getting these prices from. This is my second time here. 4 years ago I got a chick for 13 ST (Walkabout) and another chick for 28 LT (Heart of Darkness). This time it is like I am in a different Cambodia. Bar fines are ranging from 10-17. In some places they say barfine is buying x amout of lady drinks. Like one place you have to buy 4 lady drinks at 3.75 each. Then the chicks are wanting 50-70 ST or 100 LT after that.
At 2am last night I was able to talk a chick at Tiger bar on 136 down to 12 BF and 30 ST. Then they kept trying to make me buy 2 drinks before I could bar fine her. I told them no way. They gave in and I took the chick to my room for an hour.
Before that, me and a wingman were at Pontoon. Chicks were talking 100 ST and 150 LT. What has happened to this place?
[/QUOTE]As a bar owner who has talked to dozens of girls about their feelings towards customers, I have to sigh a little when I see threads like this about how much or little everyone thinks the girls should get!
Imagine YOU have very little money and a customer comes into your office and asks how much for your building services, accounting services, whatever it is your expertise is in.
When you tell them, they suggest a much lower price. You eventually agree on a much reduced fee because you really need the money for your mortgage and children's school clothes.
But you give your customer a very basic service with no frills and a slightly resentful attitude because they just wanted the lowest possible price rather than seeming to appreciate you and your skills. Had they shown some appreciation and offered you slightly more, you would have thrown in all sorts of extras and been a lot happier. So it is with most of the bar girls.
Their difference in attitude and performance is amazing for the sake of an extra $5 or $10.
I'd suggest you remember this the next time you are hassling a gorgeous 22 year old girl to accept $10 less for the privilege of having her take care of you for an hour or a night.
[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;2148237]Their difference in attitude and performance is amazing for the sake of an extra $5 or $10.
I'd suggest you remember this the next time you are hassling a gorgeous 22 year old girl to accept $10 less for the privilege of having her take care of you for an hour or a night.[/QUOTE]The difference is that I don't look at it as a hooker doing me a favor. I look at it as me doing her a favor. See, I have a pocket full of money, but she does not have a bar full of customers wanting to take her. She needs money more than I need pussy. Things would be different if this was the grand opening of Cambodia and there was no bench mark, but like I said I had been there before, so I did have something to compare it to. For prices to have gone up 400% was preposterous.
I never stated having a problem with performance. If you look throughout various threads, guys generally have problems with chicks they are paying too much. I paid the one chick at Tiger 30 plus 12 barfine. I paid another chick that I met close to Pontoon 30, and I paid another chick 20. I did not have a problem with the performance of either chick. And they keep messaging me even though I have no plans to return to Cambodia.
And even if you did pick up a chick that gave a bad performance, thinking that if you had given her more money she would have been better is 100% speculation. Neither can you say had you given a great performer less money that she would have been worse. That is a strawman argument. You could just as well say that a cheap chick will perform well in order to get you as a regular customer or show you that she is worth more.
As a matter of fact, I had a hooker in the Dominican Republic once give me free services (and this is not the only time one has done that) just to show me how good she was. She was confident that if she gave me a sample, I would be back for more. Performance is simply not tied into price when you are talking about hookers. I have had top notch for free and shitty for $60.
P. S. As a bar owner that employess these women, I assume that you give them a higher salary to get better performace out of them in the bar as well.
I am back home in Thailand. I met a chick at 7:30 last night. It is now 1 in the afternoon and she is still here. She has not wanted anything to eat and has not even taken any water and has been a total GFE. When she finally decides to leave, I will hand her $30 and more than likely she will ask when she can come back. I could have just as well gone to a gogo bar last night and gotten a chick that would be well over $100 and she would have been gone by now.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2148272]The difference is that I don't look at it as a hooker doing me a favor. I look at it as me doing her a favor. See, I have a pocket full of money, but she does not have a bar full of customers wanting to take her. She needs money more than I need pussy.
And even if you did pick up a chick that gave a bad performance, thinking that if you had given her more money she would have been better is 100% speculation. Neither can you say had you given a great performer less money that she would have been worse. That is a strawman argument. You could just as well say that a cheap chick will perform well in order to get you as a regular customer or show you that she is worth more.
As a matter of fact, I had a hooker in the Dominican Republic once give me free services (and this is not the only time one has done that) just to show me how good she was. She was confident that if she gave me a sample, I would be back for more. Performance is simply not tied into price when you are talking about hookers. I have had top notch for free and shitty for $60.
[/QUOTE]Generally everything you say is true and obviously based on many years of mongering in Asia.
And yes of course you have all the power. Money talks. As in the tag line of this website. That was my point. To suggest to all these guys that they take a moment to think about this power and not abuse it. And also suggesting ways of getting a lower price.
I was just offering my personal observations from running bars here in Phnom Penh for five years and living here for seven years. But of course different people will have different experiences and form different views. My main point was to suggest that punters remember that the bar girls are people rather than just meat, and that they will often respond very positively to a nice approach from a customer. I've certainly found that countless times here. But yes there certainly are girls who are basically hopeless or indifferent however much you give them. And some girls who turn out to be unexpected gems. There are always surprises. That’s part of the fun I think.
Hi guys,
I'm new to this forum but an experienced monger all over the world. Will be in PP this coming week. Will report on my experiences there with an update on some places I have learned about after having RTFF (thanks guys!
Anyone who wants to hang out and share stories, drinks, laughs, etc. In PP this coming week, just let me know.
I noticed that April 14th to 16th are holidays for Khmer new year. Are the bars open or closed in PP on these days?
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2151886]I noticed that April 14th to 16th are holidays for Khmer new year. Are the bars open or closed in PP on these days?[/QUOTE]Anybody who can afford to go to the provinces will go. So PP will be a kind of ghost town.
[QUOTE=Kniom;2152304]Anybody who can afford to go to the provinces will go. So PP will be a kind of ghost town.[/QUOTE]But it's a very nice ghost town. Most restaurants and bars are still open, the traffic is very light, there are street parties going on, and most importantly almost all the girly bars are still open. Sure there are fewer girls in them, but it's easy to move from bar to bar until you find a girl you like. It's actually one of my favourite times of year in Phnom Penh. Quiet streets but lots of bar action.
Hi guys,
As promised an update on PP:
GSM: Indeed completely torn down. Reconstruction is ongoing and from the pictures on the fence it looks like it will be nice. When? Nobody knows. Streets around are sleezy though, with a lot of drug hookers and ladyboys.
Darlin Darlin in the Nagaworld casino. Filled with absolute stunners, but prices are sky high. 150 USD easy, sometimes more for ST. The Chinese are taking it over, and prices rise accordingly, spending their gains from the casino.
104 Street and 136 street: It looks to me as though 104 street has lost its edge a bit. But I could be mistaken. To me it looks like 136 street has taken over with a lot more bars now, some with girls aggressively (but nicely) trying to take guys in but some are more relaxed, although the same rules apply as for taking the girls home. The pool tables are a nice touch as well. After a bit of bargaining I have been offered 30 USD for ST and 70 USD for LT. Nice girls, not the sleezy ones. Be advised that Mrs. Butterfly and Mr. Butterfly and one or two other bars at 136 (same owner) have a lot of ladyboys around.
Mao's (right next to the Night Market) also should be mentioned. Much bigger and more relaxed atmosphere as in the gogo bars, but with the same possibilities. Sort of my favorite, although it depends upon the night how crowded it gets. It closes also sooner, 1 AM I believe. But is it near to the gogo bars (either at 104 or 136) so you can walk over there after Mao's if your looking for something more. Or go directly to Pontoon.
Pontoon: Will try to check out tonight, wanted to go there every night but each time my business was concluded before 2 AM, which is when it gets crowd they say. Will try to hold on tonight until that time.
Hope this helps guys. PP is still a great mongering destination as far as I'm concerned.
[QUOTE=DoowahDiddy;2153578]Hi guys,
Hope this helps guys. PP is still a great mongering destination as far as I'm concerned.[/QUOTE]Really? Wow good 4 you. If 150 $ ST for a stunner is great 4 you I wonder what a bad place is. 1000 $?
There was a time a few years ago where you could get a stunner for 3 $ so PP is long gone as a mongering place.
[QUOTE=BobMorane69;2153694]Really? Wow good 4 you. If 150 $ ST for a stunner is great 4 you I wonder what a bad place is. 1000 $?
There was a time a few years ago where you could get a stunner for 3 $ so PP is long gone as a mongering place.[/QUOTE]But he is talking about Darlin Darlin. Are you implying that you can get a stunner from there for 3 $ ST, or close to that? Not a chance my friend.