Medellin Reports

Here is another perspective. I don't negotiate time, because if we are not having fun, I don't want her to stay. I don't negotiate specific services, because if she does not want to do it, I won't enjoy it. I don't talk about condoms. So my approach is, do you want to come back to my place for sex for X amount of money? I do not negotiate from X amount. I speak fluent Spanish, I know to treat a hooker like a lady and a lady like a hooker, and I am in decent shape and jolly. If she says no, I say okay, maybe next time. If she says yes, I say, just know I always pay afterwards. If that leads to hesitation, I say I can show them the money so they know I am not wasting their time. If they say no, I say 'nice chatting with you, suerte. ' Many have said yes over the years and I get better sex when I let them do what they like to do vs wanting them to perform specific acts. As far as condoms go, I proceed without until and unless she puts one on me. Obviously this works better if you are clean and well groomed and either have a decent apartment or take them to a fairly nice love hotel. Everybody is different but I just advise guys not to get fixated on certain body types or certain needs and to just go with the flow. Obviously Spanish helps a lot and experience and being able to judge character do too.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3060139]Based on my observations in Medellin, a significant attraction for local women is the availability of hot water. Since many do not have this luxury at home, they tend to spend a considerable amount of time in the shower when visiting an apartment that has it. This contrast is striking because their own homes often lack heated water. Regarding current rates in Colombia, a budget of 400,000 to 500,000 pesos is generally sufficient for a two-to-four-hour encounter. PN.[/QUOTE]I lived in an apartment where the water heater did not work. Did not care to have it fixed, so for 2 years I lived by heating a water in a medium saucepan, mix it with a bucket of water, take the bucket to the shower and use a water ladle to scoop water and pour on my body to wash and rinse. Probably 60% of the world uses this method.

[QUOTE=Zenduka1;3060398]I lived in an apartment where the water heater did not work. Did not care to have it fixed, so for 2 years I lived by heating a water in a medium saucepan, mix it with a bucket of water, take the bucket to the shower and use a water ladle to scoop water and pour on my body to wash and rinse. Probably 60% of the world uses this method.[/QUOTE]I think this is exactly the point PolloNegro is making. Being able to just go into a shower and enjoy hot water is a luxury for most of these chicas. They recognize this and enjoy it as much as they can. If you have one of those shower heads where you don't ever want to get out of the shower, even better. Same with having a jacuzzi in your spot.

Lleras and El Centro were much different back then. The Mansion was a good option.

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[QUOTE=MoonShot;3060362]Making the first offer versus asking how much doesn't really matter. ...... Each girl is different and each girl has a different price that she is willing to accept. Flexibility is the key.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree with MoonShot and go with the flow. Perhaps of interest, this from a Harvard Business School Blog on who should make the first offer in a price negotiation, the buyer or the seller?

"Abundant research on the anchoring effect, documented by psychologists Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman, shows that the first offer made in a negotiation serves as an anchor that has a strong effect on the final price. For this reason, negotiators are often advised to try to engage in price anchoring by making the first offer. " But the blog then goes on to discuss exceptions based on the respective market knowledge of the parties.

This is generally how I get to "Yes" with a lady of choice.

Once I've made a date with a chica (whether we have met online, in a club, or in Parque Lleras) and we've now moved on to WhatsApp to communicate the details, I write something, to the effect: "Meanwhile: let's agree on the mutual benefits. Pleasures in the sack for me. A generous gift for you." I then describe in detail what I expect in the way of services (DFK, BBBJ, often bareback), add that of course, going bare assumes good hygiene and I have STD tests, and hope all the above is agreeable. I then leave it up to the chica on how to reply.

At this point a few chicas drop out, insisting on doing everything covered. Of those who agree with my requests, I'd estimate one third respond immediately with a price demand of their own (often highlighting a premium for BBBJ and / or bareback), one third will answer, "Bien, amor" but ask me to say how much I'll pay, and one third just agree and leave it up to me to bring up price again. Most will accept what I offer or negotiate but a few of the super hottest chicks clearly can get their asking price, unreasonable as it may sound, be it even in the 500 to 800 range for bareback--take it or leave it amigo. I will almost always take a pass in such cases, but (for a genuine supermodel Victoria Secret quality chica), her pricing may actually be reasonable and market based. These are the same ladies who would be asking (and getting) $1000 to 2000/ hour on escort sites in the US (especially if positively reviewed for looks and performance).

In respect to time, at my age, being a one shot guy, I write something like, "At least one hour to laugh and converse together without looking at the clock. " If the chica proves sociable at all, she'll end up hanging out for another half hour or hour after sex--usually more than enough pleasant but inane conversation for me. That said there are some chicas who are great in bed but have no conversational skill / interest, and I'm just as happy to have them leave after the deed is done.

In sum, many paths to YES.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3060390]Everybody is different but I just advise guys not to get fixated on certain body types or certain needs and to just go with the flow.[/QUOTE]How do they do that when they have seen so much fake shit on porno movies, like them squirting a pint of pina colada mix in a chick's mouth? Same as when I was a kid and could not wait to try moves like the figure 4 leg lock or the camel clutch, not realizing the whole thing was fake.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;3060452]I tend to agree with MoonShot and go with the flow. Perhaps of interest, this from a Harvard Business School Blog on who should make the first offer in a price negotiation, the buyer or the seller?

"Abundant research on the anchoring effect, documented by psychologists Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman, shows that the first offer made in a negotiation serves as an anchor that has a strong effect on the final price. For this reason, negotiators are often advised to try to engage in price anchoring by making the first offer. " But the blog then goes on to discuss exceptions based on the respective market knowledge of the parties.

This is generally how I get to "Yes" with a lady of choice.

Once I've made a date with a chica (whether we have met online, in a club, or in Parque Lleras) and we've now moved on to WhatsApp to communicate the details, I write something, to the effect: "Meanwhile: let's agree on the mutual benefits. Pleasures in the sack for me. A generous gift for you." I then describe in detail what I expect in the way of services (DFK, BBBJ, often bareback), add that of course, going bare assumes good hygiene and I have STD tests, and hope all the above is agreeable. I then leave it up to the chica on how to reply.[/QUOTE]Often, when I ask how much, the girl will say how much will you offer, throwing it back to me. I often but not always like to ask how much to get a sense of how entitled she thinks she is. If she is going to ask for 800 mil, then it is unlikely that we will reach an agreement. If she is going to ask for a little more than I am willing to pay, then it is likely we can reach a deal.

Now there is the question of whether you should give a low ball offer first and then raise it in response to her howls of protest. I generally will give a reasonable offer that should be acceptable to many but not all, and give myself 100 mil room if she is worth that amount. There are times when the girl is in a dire financial situation and I could really drive down the price but I don't do that even though I could. I have enough money so I don't feel the need to go down to the lowest possible price that she would be willing to take under the circumstances.

There are also times when the girl says no to your final offer and then 2-3 weeks later or more, she will say yes. I have had girls come back to me on the next trip after a few months and then say yes so no reason to insult the girl or make snide comments when she is holding out for more money. Just be nice about it and you never know. I.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;3060443]I think this is exactly the point PolloNegro is making. Being able to just go into a shower and enjoy hot water is a luxury for most of these chicas. They recognize this and enjoy it as much as they can. If you have one of those shower heads where you don't ever want to get out of the shower, even better. Same with having a jacuzzi in your spot.[/QUOTE]This explained everything clearly. Thank you so much! PN.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3060505]This explained everything clearly. Thank you so much! PN.[/QUOTE]No problem. These chicas love luxuries LOL. [URL]https://youtube.com/shorts/tABEJmGO35c?si=eK5b5Vl2AqYg4ARe[/URL].

[QUOTE=MoonShot;3060362]Making the first offer versus asking how much doesn't really matter. For example, if the girl asks for 400 mil and you counter with 250 mil, it is about the same as you offering 250 mil and the girl countering with 400 mil. In both cases, you try to work out a number that works for both sides. There is also other factors that affect the price such as how many shots, how long she will stay, the type of sex and so on. There is no one going rate price for all girls. Each girl is different and each girl has a different price that she is willing to accept. Flexibility is the key.[/QUOTE]In business, which may be a bit different, making the first offer helps you set the narrative of the negotiation. While I didn't go to Harvard Business School, I did go to one just a couple notches down, and two things stuck with me for that $100 k plus tuition. #1 In negotiations, make the first offer, #2 - There is a tremendous amount of $$ to be made in non-sexy industries (I. E. Trash collection, pesticides, vices, cleaning in general, prostitution? Simply because people don't want to be associated with them.

The above noted, I agree 100% that you should always be flexible, polite, and keep your temper.

[QUOTE=Huacho;3060390]Here is another perspective. I don't negotiate time, because if we are not having fun, I don't want her to stay. I don't negotiate specific services, because if she does not want to do it, I won't enjoy it. I don't talk about condoms. So my approach is, do you want to come back to my place for sex for X amount of money? .... As far as condoms go, I proceed without until and unless she puts one on me.....[/QUOTE]I agree with you on always trying to be clear about paying after. For condom, I also have good hygiene, but some newer or less experienced girls will be taught to use a condom. If you mention it up front I find they are often ambivalent and will do BBBJ, but if you don't mention it beforehand, it's harder to have the convo in the moment. This of course depends a lot on relationship and location. Some of the more 'done up' prima donna girls will also try to do covered blowjob. I've never had a girlfriend try to put on on me, but if I have an online date it will occasionally happen.

According to my mathematical equation. You went from $50 2 to 4 hours to $110-$135 2 hrs. Man which one is it. You are under oath LOL. Now I am trying to get a girl to stay the full day for $100. She has gone as low as 600 k. Which I am still not willing to pay. Actually I am testing if she wants to fuck me slightly or very badly. If the hot water principal was still in effect the cover charge would be a whole lot cheaper. So I disagree with that assessment LOL.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;3060139]Based on my observations in Medellin, a significant attraction for local women is the availability of hot water. Since many do not have this luxury at home, they tend to spend a considerable amount of time in the shower when visiting an apartment that has it. This contrast is striking because their own homes often lack heated water. Regarding current rates in Colombia, a budget of 400,000 to 500,000 pesos is generally sufficient for a two-to-four-hour encounter. PN.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Blakman;3060584]If the hot water principal was still in effect the cover charge would be a whole lot cheaper. So I disagree with that assessment LOL.[/QUOTE]I disagree as well. Whenever I shower with a chick from a place where hot water is this supposed "luxury", they say the water is too hot and want it to be cold. Same thing with drinks. In a lot if countries they do not fancy putting ice in drinks, so if you give them a drink with ice (how we like it where I come from) they will refuse it. It is their culture to take showers with cold water. They are not seeing the foreign way as a luxury they want. Case in point, when I had a girlfriend in Cali I could not stand the cold showers, so I had a heated shower head put in. The only use it ever got was when I was there using it.

[QUOTE=Zenduka1;3060398]I lived in an apartment where the water heater did not work. Did not care to have it fixed, so for 2 years I lived by heating a water in a medium saucepan, mix it with a bucket of water, take the bucket to the shower and use a water ladle to scoop water and pour on my body to wash and rinse. Probably 60% of the world uses this method.[/QUOTE]To each their own but I think that is absolutely ridiculous. I worked too fucking hard to not have hot water wherever I am staying. I stayed at a place last year that had a broken water heater and the owner told me it would be three days before it would be fixed and he wasn't going to reimburse me a single peso, I left anyway and went to a real nice hotel, I didn't ask for or expect reimbursement, I wanted hot water. My daughter lives in a house in Manizales that has no hot water, I offered to pay to install a hot water heater, the family turned my offer down, stupid. And the tap water in Manizales is ICE cold.

Hot water is non-negotiable for me. I could do without it if I had to but I have no reason or need to do without it.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;3060618]To each their own but I think that is absolutely ridiculous. I worked too fucking hard to not have hot water wherever I am staying. I stayed at a place last year that had a broken water heater and the owner told me it would be three days before it would be fixed and he wasn't going to reimburse me a single peso, I left anyway and went to a real nice hotel, I didn't ask for or expect reimbursement, I wanted hot water. My daughter lives in a house in Manizales that has no hot water, I offered to pay to install a hot water heater, the family turned my offer down, stupid. And the tap water in Manizales is ICE cold.[/QUOTE]